Podcasts about Girl Interrupted

Paul and Erin review two films based on women writers' accounts of their time in psychiatric institutions: James Mangold's 1999 drama GIRL, INTERRUPTED starring Winona Ryder and an Oscar-winning Angelina Jolie, and Anatole Litvak's unusual 1948 drama starring Olivia de Havilland.

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely, you can always go... to Release Date Rewind! Mark welcomes film fan Rudy Valdez from the west coast on the show to take a trip to Claymoore Psychiatric Hospital and celebrate the 25th anniversary of Girl, Interrupted. Move over, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest guys, it's the girls' turn! Mark and Rudy rave about this powerful cast (great job, casting director Lisa Beach!), Angelina's microbangs and weird Oscar win, Whoopi's side eye, shaggy Jared Leto, and Brittany Murphy's chicken addiction.

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Lucasfilm has about a dozen Star Wars movies in various stages of development. One of them is a prequel from James Mangold that will tell the origins of the Force, the mysterious energy field created by life that binds the Star Wars galaxy together.In a recent interview with MovieWeb, Mangold opened up about what convinced him to make a Star Wars movie for Lucasfilm, sharing that "the really important aspects [were] the freedom to make something new." Mangold, who is co-writing the screenplay with Beau Willimon, explained that they wanted to find "a way on the page to say something original." With his movie set to take place 25,000 years before any other Star Wars project, Mangold will seemingly be freed from decades of lore. "I'm not that interested in being handcuffed by so much lore at this point that it's almost immovable, and you can't please anybody," the director added, suggesting that his Star Wars movie may drastically shake up the fandom's current understanding of the force.Announced in April 2023 at Star Wars Celebration Europe IV, Mangold's Star Wars movie will be part of an era dubbed "Dawn of the Jedi" by Lucasfilm. "The Force has become a kind of religious legend that spans through all these movies. But where did it come from? How is it found? Who found it? Who was the first Jedi? And that's what I'm writing right now," teased Mangold at the time of its announcement. Mangold has since cited Cecil B. DeMille's 1923 silent religious epic The Ten Commandments as a major inspiration for the movie.However, it is unclear when exactly the "Dawn of the Jedi" movie will go into production, as there is a chance Mangold's next movie will instead be his DC Universe feature, Swamp Thing. The filmmaker became attached to Swamp Thing in February 2023 and has been juggling the screenplays for both movies ever since. DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has repeatedly stated that no DC movie will get greenlit until there is a finished screenplay that is worth turning into a movie, so there's a good chance that Swamp Thing may also be a ways off.The next Star Wars movie to hit theaters will be The Mandalorian & Grogu in May 2026. When the movie is finally released, it will have been almost seven years since the last Star Wars movie, 2019's The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian & Grogu is a feature-length continuation of the Disney+ series The Mandalorian. While plot details remain under wraps, Pedro Pascal's Din Djarin and the lovable alien Grogu will be joined on their first big-screen adventure by Star Wars Rebels character Garazeb "Zeb" Orrelios, Sigourney Weaver (in a mystery role), and Jeremy Allen White, who will voice a grown-up Rotta the Hutt. Jon Favreau — who created The Mandalorian — co-wrote and directed The Mandalorian & Grogu, which was shot entirely in California between August and December 2024 and is currently in post-production&

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James Mangold is an Oscar-nominated writer-director known for film like GIRL INTERRUPTED, WALK THE LINE, LOGAN, COP LAND, and FORD V FERRARI — the latter earning a Best Picture Oscar nomination. Most recently, Mangold directed A COMPLETE UNKNOWN, where at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, a young Bob Dylan shook up his act on the folk music scene by going electric and siring rock as the voice of a generation, defining one of the most transformative moments in 20th-century music. In this interview, we talk about the fundamental role of writing in filmmaking, the challenges and realities of the film industry, the challenges of adapting a real-life figure like Bob Dylan, and much more. Want more? Steal my first book, INK BY THE BARREL - SECRETS FROM PROLIFIC WRITERS right now for free. Simply head over to www.brockswinson.com to get your free digital download and audiobook. If you find value in the book, please share it with a friend as we're giving away 100,000 copies this year. It's based on over 400 interviews here at Creative Principles. Enjoy! If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts? It only takes about 60 seconds and it really helps convince some of the hard-to-get guests to sit down and have a chat (simply scroll to the bottom of your iTunes Podcast app and click “Write Review"). Enjoy the show!

"Because you're dead already, Lisa! No one cares if you die, Lisa, because you're dead already. Your heart is cold. That's why you keep coming back here. You're not free. You need this place, you need it to feel alive. It's pathetic."It's cold outside, but we're having a ball at Claymoore with our best girl friends!!! On today's episode, my buddy, Shawn Williams, and I are revisiting the sad girl classic, Girl Interrupted (1999)Why The Book Wins VideoIntro/Outro Music: "Phantom Fun" by Jonathan Boyle----Show E-Mail: cultcinemacircle@gmail.com----Follow Cult Cinema Circle on Instagram, Bluesky, and Letterboxd Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Queer Cinema Catchup, Joe and Allison are joined by Scott and Pete of Movies That Made Us Gay to dive into the 1999 film Girl, Interrupted (based on the memoir by Susanna Kaysen). Together they dive into the film's cultural impact; its portrayal of mental health; and its queer subtext. In addition, they discuss the performances and careers of stars Winona Ryder, Angelina Jolie, and Brittany Murphy. 02:51 Personal Stories and the Movie's Impact06:53 Winona Ryder's Role and Production Insights09:25 Mental Health Themes in the Movie13:49 Casting Choices and Character Analysis16:34 Angelina Jolie's Career Trajectory35:22 Hollywood's Last Movie Star45:26 Memorable Book Elements 48:00 Wizard of Oz Connections50:08 The Girl, Interrupted Musical?51:43 Analyzing the Film's Ending01:02:32 Winona Ryder, Brittany Murphy, and Whoopi Goldberg's Careers and Roles01:12:30 Jared Leto's Fake Beard01:13:45 Promiscuity and Gender Double Standards01:20:13 Stranger Things Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Text us your movie thoughts!Marquee Week | 144:Watchlist Spring Cleaning (in Fall)On this week's show we continue checking off movies from our backlog. This week, James Mangold's GIRL, INTERRUPTED.Stay tuned for our Reel Week episode next week.Next episode: HEATHERS | Watchlist Spring CleaningSocials:Cristian on Twitter: @_isoCristianCristian on Letterboxd: isoCristianHugo on twitter: @Hugo_PinaiHugo on Letterboxd: Hugo_PHelpful Links Large Popcorn linktree Large Popcorn on Twitter: @ LargePopcornPod Dial-in to the show via SpeakPipe! Keep up with all the films we watch on every show at my letterboxd profile Check out our merch on bonfire!

Girl, Interrupted was the 70th-highest grossing movie of 1999, released in a very limited run just before Christmas to make it eligible for awards season. It would ultimately go on to earn $48 million worldwide on a $40 million budget. Directed and co-written by Copland director James Mangold from the memoir "Girl, Interrupted" by Susanna Kaysen, the film was a longtime dream project for star Winona Ryder, who fought hard for years to get it made. It was presented as obvious Oscar bait, but the film had a mixed response from audiences and critics, who found it uneven and lacking a narrative core. Still, Girl, Interrupted earned universal praise for its performances, including the breakthrough one from Angeline Jolie, who won the Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her performance as the sociopathic Lisa. It was also praised for what at the time was an unusually nuanced and sensitive portrayal of mental health disorders. But how has Girl, Interrupted aged? Was it too ahead of its time, or is it too of its time to stand on its own today? John and Julia welcomed Film Twitter superstar Jane Altoids for her take. Jane is on Twitter @staticbluebat

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In this podcast episode, Joy Pharo shares about how the Holy Spirit interrupted her thoughts and dishes and gave her a profound revelation about about how we were made in His image and other revelations.. She loves being a "Girl Interrupted" by the Holy Spirit! Dig in! Take a listen and enjoy!Blessings!Sanctioned Love

This week Ty and Rach delve into the female psyche with Rach's pick Girl, Interrupted. Were you even a 90s actress if you weren't in this movie? Is anyone in this film certifiably crazy? If Angelina Jolie is a volcano and Winona Ryder is an orchid, then what does that make Whoopi? And who doesn't love rotisserie chicken? As always, nothing but the hard hitting questions will be asked in this episode. 

Hyeseung Song joins Let's Talk Memoir for a conversation about being raised by a “beautiful but domineering” mother, breaking free from a legacy of self-worth via external achievements, writing complicated mothers, making the switch from memoir-in-essays to linear memoir, allowing her mother to “speak” for herself, the intersection or mental health, race, and racism, intergenerational trauma and engaging with pain, gaining the distance and time necessary to tell our stories, and her memoir Docile: Memoirs of a Not-So-Perfect Asian Girl. Also in this episode: -self-expansion -a life of art-making -forgiving yourself   Books mentioned in this episode: Girl Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen Fierce Attachments by Vivian Gornick They Called Us Exceptional by Prachi Gupta What My Bones Know by Stephanie Foo   Hyeseung Song is a first-generation Korean American writer and painter. She lives and works in New York City.    Connect with Hyeseung: Website: www.hyeseungsong.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hyeseungs Twitter: https://x.com/hyeseungs Get Docile: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Docile/Hyeseung-Song/9781668003664 — Ronit's writing has appeared in The Atlantic, The Rumpus, The New York Times, The Iowa Review, Hippocampus, The Washington Post, Writer's Digest, American Literary Review, and elsewhere. Her memoir WHEN SHE COMES BACK about the loss of her mother to the guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and their eventual reconciliation was named Finalist in the 2021 Housatonic Awards Awards, the 2021 Indie Excellence Awards, and was a 2021 Book Riot Best True Crime Book. Her short story collection HOME IS A MADE-UP PLACE won Hidden River Arts' 2020 Eludia Award and the 2023 Page Turner Awards for Short Stories. She earned an MFA in Nonfiction Writing at Pacific University, is Creative Nonfiction Editor at The Citron Review, and lives in Seattle with her family where she teaches memoir workshops and is working on her next book. More about Ronit: https://ronitplank.com   Sign up for monthly podcast and writing updates: https://bit.ly/33nyTKd Substack: https://substack.com/@ronitplank Newsletter sign-up: https://ronitplank.com/#signup   Follow Ronit: https://www.instagram.com/ronitplank/ https://twitter.com/RonitPlank https://www.facebook.com/RonitPlank Background photo credit: Photo by Patrick Tomasso on Unsplash Headshot photo credit: Sarah Anne Photography Theme music: Isaac Joel, Dead Moll's Fingers

We've reached the midway point of our series of female-lead movies and this one definitely qualifies...it has "Girl" in the title! It's the film that won Angelina Jolie an Oscar, and it's turning 25 this year, join us as we discuss Girl, Interrupted. More Content: https://www.patreon.com/neverseenitpodEmail: neverseenitpod@gmail.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/neverseenit_podBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/neverseenit.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/neverseenitpod1Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/neverseenitpod1Movie info: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172493/

This week we are simply in awe at our abilities to get into a room and talk about how terrible Serena is at her now job. Send us a lovely email: gossipgirlpod@gmail.com or do us a lovely tweet: @gossipgirlpod.

Producer Cathy Konrad returns to Hollywood Gold to discuss the making of 1999's GIRL, INTERRUPTED. The film's champion from the start was star Winona Ryder, who had read Susanna Kaysen's memoir about her time in a mental institution, and was compelled to translate it to the screen. Not only was the film unique in the female-led team that was leading the charge behind the scenes, it also offered vastly different and more complex roles for actresses. Many of the day's top actresses, including Reese Witherspoon and Alicia Silverstone, lined up to read for the roles, but it was a young Angelina Jolie who blew everyone away and won the role that she would earn an Oscar for.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/hollywood-gold--5670584/support.

As our intrepid crew pursues the trail of the vanished expedition, they stumble upon a mysterious clearing adorned with vibrant purple bushes laden with golden berries. However, their awe is short-lived as they are ambushed by dromeiosorids, prehistoric predators lurking in the shadows, ready to strike. Can they survive this unexpected encounter and uncover the truth behind the expedition's disappearance? Tune in to this thrilling episode of Cosmic Crit to find out!

The Waverider has crossed us over to a new reality. One where the Tomorrow People, with telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation abilities, are on the run from the government run ULTRA organization. “Girl, Interrupted” is a parallel story. We have Cara's heartbreaking past being told in a series of flashbacks. She was a deaf high school student being raised by a single father alongside her younger sister. One of her high school classmates attempts to sexually assault her. Her powers manifest and she telekinetically pushes him away twice, killing him in the process. Her breakout somehow heals her deafness. But she is in jail for the murder with no chance of getting out. She teleports out to her home. Her dad pushes her out and she telepathically hears him say they are better off without her. This leads to her mistrust of normal humans. She is scared and insulates herself with the Tomorrow People Our other girl in this parallel story is Emily. She is a high school classmate of Stephen. She and Stephen have been on similar paths mentally. Her sister was killed in a car accident with a train and Emily feels responsible. Stephen is at a party with Astrid and he telepathically hears her thinking about suicide. He wants to intervene but both Cara and Jed advise him not to do it. In the end, Cara steps in and convinces her it is not her fault and to live. Stephen sneaks in a data link that will connect ULTRA and TIM. But it is found, and Jed sends agents to trap the Tomorrow People. They capture Cara. Stephen tires to prove his loyalty to Jed by offering to take Cara's powers. He is able to stop time and switch out the drugs and Cara fakes being neutralized. It seems to fool Jed and his assistant. "Kill or Be Killed" gives us John's backstory. John was rescued from a bad foster care dad by Jed. We see him learn the skills and abilites that make him such a great fighter now. But we learn that Jed experimented on the Tomorrow People to give them the ability to kill by blocking parts of their brain through intense drug therapy. Killian was a success but went rogue and John had to track him down. Now Killian is back and hunting his former friend. John has to face him again and we learn that John has the ability to kill as well. Contact Information: If you want to join in the discussion, you can submit feedback via email to TomorrowsLegendsPodcast@gmail.com. Please submit all feedback by 7:00 pm eastern on Friday. You can also join the Facebook group at facebook.com/groups/tomorrowslegends. Answer all the questions and agree to the group rules to be accepted. You can follow us on X (formerly Twitter) @tomorowslegends, and on Instagram and Threads @TomorrowsLegendsPodcast. You can support the show on our Patreon page! https://www.patreon.com/TomorrowsLegends You will get access to bonus content like advanced releases, extra questions answered, hang-out sessions, bonus episodes, and merchandise of course!

[originally published on Patreon Oct 1, 2022] Today's the first of four horror (or quasi-horror) films for CrackpotoberFest 2022 - Girl, Interrupted, both the memoir and the film. I discuss Susanna Kaysen and her father, a very interesting figure. I talk about McLean Hospital, Jim Watson, spies at McLean, and Kaysen's later career.  Then, I go over some interesting themes that Girl, Interrupted the film injects into the narrative - some potentially spurious, some maybe not. To wrap up, I discuss the history of MKULTRA projects at McLean and the general area. CrackpotoberFest only gets weirder from here. Songs: Knockin' Round the Zoo by James Taylor White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane Downtown by Petula Clark Angel Baby by Rosie & the Originals

In a movie where Winona Ryder plays a depressed teenager committed to a mental institution, it's Angelina Jolie who steals the show as the sociopathic girl that "interrupts" Winona's treatment. Jeff, Stuart and special guest Ross Wood had a fun time with this one.

In 1937 Pin up party girl Veronica Gedeon was a fixture in the pages of many true crime magazines. Her blond hair, bright eyes and slender figure were sure to sell more copies of whatever pulp periodical cover she graced on any given week that all of its competitors combined. So, when Veronica was discovered nude and strangled to death on the bed of her New York apartment that Easter evening, the whole city began to buzz with speculation. The killer had not only killed Veronica, they also brutally murdered her mother and their young border, but things were not exactly as they seemed. This week we take a closer look at this rollercoaster ride, crime of the century case that time has forgotten. Sometimes called "the case of the Mad Potter" or "The Beekman Hill Maniac Murders", the crimes of a strange young man named Robert George Irwin are hard to explain and even harder to forget. This week's case is the stuff of film noir dreams and beautiful young girl's nightmares.  Click to learn more https://tampabay.newspapers.com/article/cumberland-evening-times/136771383/?locale=en-US   https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-bridgeport-telegram-veronica-gedeon/3747708/   https://casetext.com/case/people-v-irwin-22   https://ephemeralnewyork.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/who-killed-this-pretty-east-side-model-in-1937/     WWBD Merch Buy your WWBD swag here!  Join the Conversation       

Summary:   "Dark souls." This week we invite writer, theatre-maker, and choreographer Andrea Loewen on the podcast to talk about her new book Feeling Better as well as the film Girl, Interrupted. Also discussed: Dirty John, Back with the Ex, and Lisa's theory that Angelina Jolie has never been in a good movie.      Show notes:   Dirty John podcast   Back with the Ex on Netflix   Andrea Loewen's website    Feeling Better: A Field Guide to Liking Yourself by Andrea Loewen   Girl, Interrupted trailer   Aimee Mann Writing Music for Girl, Interrupted Musical (Pitchfork)   One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest trailer     Recommendations:   Lisa: Veep (TV)   Andrea Warner: Los Texmaniacs (music)   Andrea Loewen: Echlo (music)     Music credits:    "Flutterbee" by Podington Bear From Free Music Archive CC BY 3.0   Theme song "Pyro Flow" by Kevin Macleod From Incompetch CC BY 3.0 Intro bed:"OLPC" by Marco Raaphorst Courtesy of Free Music Archive CC BY-SA 3.0 NL Pop This! Links: Pop This! on TumblrPop This! on iTunes (please consider reviewing and rating us!) Pop This! on Stitcher (please consider reviewing and rating us!) Pop This! on Google PlayPop This! on TuneIn radioPop This! on TwitterPop This! on Instagram Logo design by Samantha Smith Pop This! is two women talking about pop culture. Lisa Christiansen is a broadcaster, journalist and longtime metal head. Andrea Warner is a music critic, author and former horoscopes columnist. Press play and come hang out with your two new best friends. Pop This! podcast is produced by Andrea Gin and recorded at the Vancouver Public Library's wonderful Inspiration Lab.  

Girl Interrupted! Do you remember what you were like at 19?  Hey betches! Today's episode goes back in time to who we were before everything changed at 19, both of us experiencing life-altering relationships at that age and encountering messaging that's taken years to unpack. We dive into what happened, how we were impacted, and what we've learned. If you know what it's like to be 40 going on 19, you'll get it! And the clouds of brain fog and confusion part for a peek at the Menopause Minute too.  Do us a favor? If you're loving the show, will you leave a review wherever you listen to podcasts? We have thousands of downloads and we'd love to hear from you!  What segment are you liking the best so far? What's coming up for you as you listen? Comment below!  Stay fresh, betches! The views and opinions expressed by the hosts of the Wise Jezebels are their own. This podcast does  not take the place of therapy, medical advice, or any other healing modality. For support in resolving and recovering from religious trauma, purity culture, cults, fundamentalism, and other adverse religious experiences, we encourage people to check out the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery–a fully online trauma coaching company specializing in working with folks coming out of high control groups, systems, and relationships. The Wise Jezebels podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  The Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery Website: www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com IG/Facebook: @traumaresolutionandrecovery     Follow Tia on Instagram and TikTok @tialevingswriter or on her website: www.tialevings.com  Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Hosts:  Tia Levings and Laura Anderson Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at  www.kevincrowe.co

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Teal Swan, Swan's rise, Teal's proclaimed supernatural powers, Teal's ability to hypnotize people, borderline personality disorder, Teal as borderline, QAnon, Teal's connections to Q, The Deep End, the problems with The Deep End, Teal's role in funding The Deep End, Teal's childhood, Girl Interrupted, Satanic ritual abuse, sex trafficking, Teal's claims of being ritually abused & trafficked, psychological techniques used by Teal, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), NLP in cults, false memories, False Memory Syndrome Foundation, the use of false memories by security services, Barbara Snow, Snow as Teal's therapist, Satanic panic in Utah, Snow's role in the Satanic panic, Snow's family, Mormon Stories podcast, John Dehlin, Dehlin's possible links to Snow, Snow's background scrubbed online, Snow's most famous client, Martha Beck, Oprah, Beck as Oprah's life coach, Hugh Nibley Music by: Keith Allen Dennishttps://keithallendennis.bandcamp.com/Additional Music: Stone Breath:https://stonebreath.bandcamp.com/album/witch-tree-prophets Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this week's episode of Editors on Editing, Glenn is joined by Kevin Tent. Beginning with Citizen Ruth, Kevin has edited all of Alexander Payne's exceptional films, including Election, About Schmidt, Sideways and Nebraska. For all of which he was nominated for the Eddie. He also edited the Descendants for which he won the Eddie and, was nominated for the Oscar. He's also crafted such terrific movies as Blow, Girl Interrupted and The Peanut Butter Falcon. Now he's brought his editing skills to Payne's, fantastic motion picture, The Holdovers.  Thanks again to ACE for partnering with us on this podcast, check out their website for more. Want to see more interviews from Glenn? Check out "Editors on Editing" here. The Art of the Frame podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Anchor and many more platforms. If you like the podcast, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss future episodes and, please leave a review so more people can find our show! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/artofthecut/support

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The awards season has begun yet again! Siobhan and Marcelo return to bring you everything AWARDS! They talk Saint Omer, Six Underground, Triple Frontier, Ferrari, The Iron Claw, Godzilla Minus One, and many more movies! They then focus on the Best Supporting Actress race of 2023, they pick their personal favorite performances in that category, and they go back to discuss the 1999 winner for Best Supporting Actress, Angelina Jolie in Girl, Interrupted.

Welcome to a thought-provoking episode of “Girl Interrupted,” the episode that dives into the complexities of self-discovery and resilience. Join us as we unravel the layers of identity and potential, asking the powerful question: If nothing else stood in your way, who would you be? This episode delves into the depths of personal introspection, inviting listeners to envision their true selves without external constraints. Additionally, we explore the concept of “going quiet” — a deliberate act of silencing external influences and internal chatter to uncover authenticity. What does it mean to find oneself in the silence, free from interruptions and societal expectations? Tune in for a rich discussion that intertwines personal narratives, and the universal quest for self-discovery. Whether you're on a journey of self-reflection or simply seeking inspiration, “Girl Interrupted” offers a space to explore, understand, and celebrate the uninterrupted you. Press play, embrace the quiet, and join us on this introspective journey. Welcome to “Girl Interrupted” on your favorite podcast platform. Find me on social media at JessieTheeRealtor and don't forget to subscribe!

Gossip Royalty, we got a little shorty for you today, because we had a little traffic mishap and also so little happened in this episode. Serena regrets making Lola the new It-Girl, Diana is out here making waves, and Chuck and Blair are at it again! Join us for Season 5, Episode 19 of Gossip Girl, "It Girl, Interripted".You know you love us,XOXO, Gossip Kings.Like the show? Rate XOXO Gossip Kings 5-Stars on Apple PodcastsFollow XOXO Gossip Kings:Instagram: @xoxogossipkings_podcastFollow Carl Tart:Instagram: @dammitcarl Follow Lamar Woods: Instagram: @prophmaticSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Girl Interrupted! Do you remember what you were like at 19?  Hey betches! Today's episode goes back in time to who we were before everything changed at 19, both of us experiencing life-altering relationships at that age and encountering messaging that's taken years to unpack. We dive into what happened, how we were impacted, and what we've learned. If you know what it's like to be 40 going on 19, you'll get it!  We also pop into pop culture with a Golden Bachelor versus Purity Culture update and the passing of Matthew Perry. And the clouds of brain fog and confusion  part for a peek at the Menopause Minute too.  It's a giant fruit inspection of an episode and we hope you enjoy it.  Do us a favor? If you're loving the show, will you leave a review wherever you listen to podcasts? We have thousands of downloads and we'd love to hear from you!  What segment are you liking the best so far? What's coming up for you as you listen? Comment below!  Stay fresh, betches! Resources from Today:  Mr. Unavailable and the Fallback Girl by Natalie Lue Unlock Your Menopause Type by Heather Hirsch Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing by Matthew Perry “I'm in my Menopause Era” Sweatshirt can be found here  #wisejezebels #podcastsforwomen #popculture #perimenopause #friends #MatthewPerry #hey19 #adele19 #purityculture #religioustrauma #spiritualjourneys #traumarecovery #traumahealing #cptsd @tialevingswriter @drlauraeanderson  The views and opinions expressed by the hosts of the Wise Jezebels are their own. This podcast does  not take the place of therapy, medical advice, or any other healing modality. For support in resolving and recovering from religious trauma, purity culture, cults, fundamentalism, and other adverse religious experiences, we encourage people to check out the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery–a fully online trauma coaching company specializing in working with folks coming out of high control groups, systems, and relationships. The Wise Jezebels podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.  The Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery Website: www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com IG/Facebook: @traumaresolutionandrecovery     Follow Tia on Instagram and TikTok @tialevingswriter or on her website: www.tialevings.com  Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com  Hosts:  Tia Levings and Laura Anderson Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at  www.kevincrowe.co

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 Clueless. Girl, Interrupted. Don't Say A Word. 8 Mile. Uptown Girls. Happy Feet. What do all of these movies have in common? The undeniable genre-agnostic talent of Brittany Murphy, that's what! In part 1 of their Brittany Murphy series, Mary and Kelsey discuss when Brittany popped, the indelible mark she made on cinema of the late 90s and 2000s, and the mystery surrounding her tragic and untimely death. TW: This episode contains references to topics including suicide, body image issues, and drug use.For our BSB babes:  let's meet up at Nick Carter's upcoming Who I Am Tour. Here is our exclusive link to his Florida shows and here is the link to all other dates.  Make sure to enter the Who I Am Tour Sweepstakes for a chance at a prize! See you there! Instagram: @whentheypoppedpodTikTok: @whentheypoppedEmail: whentheypoppedy2k@gmail.comWebsite: linktree.com/whentheypopped

Katie and Bridget get Saturday detention as they re-watch the 80's classic: The Breakfast Club! It's a movie all about how no matter how different people may be, they can still find ways to get along... That is, 4 out of the 5 find ways to make out with each other while the nerd is left to not make out with anyone AND write everyone's essay! Come along as we meet the crew: Claire, a girl who really needs to learn more about the patriarchy so she doesn't end up dating her sexual assaulters(!!); Andrew, a jock who could have a promising career if he ever wanted to go on the show Dance Moms; Brian, a nerd who really should probably go to the hospital/get counseling/have anything else happen to him besides just being sent to detention (hello!?); Allison, a girl who could have really used Whoopie's help from Girl Interrupted; and Bender, a guy who should have just joined the drama club - things would have been so different for him! These 5 survive a full day of Saturday detention together while outsmarting and avoiding their dumb principal Richard DICK Vernon #showdicksomerespect. Released in 1985, it was written and directed by John Hughes and stars Molly Ringwald, Emilio Estevez, Anthony Michael Hall, Ally Sheedy, Judd Nelson, and Paul Gleason. 

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are joined by triple board certified psychiatist Dr. Sulman Mirza AKA @thekicksshrink. We are blown away by the lasting impact of this movie from 1975 on the field of psychiatry and psychology. We discuss the sociopathy of Randle McMurphy and the iconic villain, Nurse Ratchet. We wrap it up with our frustration in the field, both in the past and present...like with lobotomies, ETC depictions, ODD diagnoses and more. We hope you enjoy! Instagram Tik Tok Website Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn and your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to Analyze scripts. We are so excited you're joining us today for an episode about the classic, I guess I think in a Bad Way film, one Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. We're thrilled to be joined by Dr. Sulman Merza, who is a triple board certified psychiatrist with expertise in psychiatry, child and adolescent psychiatry, and addiction medicine. I would call that a triple threat. He completed his psychiatry residency at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. His Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Fellowship at the University of Maryland and Shepherd Pratt Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. He's had the privilege to work in a variety of settings, from inpatient psychiatric units with medical capabilities to the classrooms of Baltimore City Public schools. He's learned from some of the leaders and pioneers in the field of psychiatry, and his experiences have allowed him to develop a deep understanding of neuropsychiatric conditions in both children and adults. And he has a keen knack for the Internet, and you can find him at the Kick Shrink on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. And I have to say, Sulan, I love your videos. I feel like they're very visually appealing. But also the content is so great. You really have a way of putting out a lot of really accurate, detailed information in a really entertaining, easy to digest way, and I think that is really hard to do. So I just want to give you some props for that. I don't know if we still say props, but I feel like I'm really impressed. We can still say that. No, I'm really honestly impressed. I feel like you have themes where you do medication. Saturday, I'm not going to remember all the names off the top of my head, but then there's like, historical lessons. There's a lot of good info about ADHD I've told you offline. I love your stuff about WWE. I think it's really great. So I hope everyone goes to check them out. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Thank you both for having me on here. Really excited I came across you guys, I was like, oh, my God, I love the movies and entertainment and pop culture. And I was like, this is and I love kind of bringing psychiatry psychology into all of that because so much of that is present. So I was like, let's see if we can collaborate on something. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. No, we're thrilled. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And we chose this movie and book. So the book came out in 1962 with the movie 1975. I had never seen this movie, but I had heard of it, which I think is part of our discussion with how powerful this was that kind of shaping people's views of psychiatry inpatient care and treatments. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, right. I think it's so true. We were talking about with Dr. Jesse Gold in our most recent episode about season two of Yellow Jackets, which has another awful scene about ECT. Again, just how this film has permeated through our culture. Even if you haven't seen it, like, you're saying you haven't seen it, but you know of it, and it's like it's had this really long lasting, unfortunate impact, which is ironic because apparently it won a Bazillion. Academy Awards, made a lot of money, it was very well received, it won all these awards, and yet it was awful in terms of its portrayal of mental health care. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. The history of film, it's one of the few movies that has gotten has won the big five awards, right. Best picture, best director, best actor, best actress and then best adapted screenplay. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: In history. I think there's only this and I think maybe one or two other movies that have won all of those big five. And then I think when AFI American Film Institute does their top hundred films, or top hundred, whatever, this is always one of those top movies. I think Nurse Ratchet will talk about her in a bit. She's gone down as one of the top ten villains in film history of all time, right up there with Hannibal Lecter and another psychiatrist and Darth Vader. So it's like Darth Vader and Hannibal Ectos. You can see how powerful this is in our culture and our history. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah, that's so true. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And the name so right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like, people say things are ratchet, like, oh, that's so ratchet. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And I was like, Is that from this? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's a great question. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I don't know, like, Nurse Ratchet or like, even again, like, not seeing the film. It's pretty old right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: At this point. What's, 30 coming up in 50 years? Portia Pendleton LCSW: It's still impacting today in some very strange ways that I think people have no idea about. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Isn't that fascinating that it's had such a long lasting effect? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. So again, when I watched it the other day, I was like, man, first of all, I was like, this movie is like almost 50 years old, right. Seeing the cast members, I was like, oh, my God, this person is gone. This person is dead. This person is dead. And for a lot of these actors in there, some of them were like christopher Lloyd, I think, made his view in this movie. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yes. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Billy the character, Brad Durh, who played Billy Bibbitt, that was like his movie debut. You see a young Danny DeVito in there. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I didn't even catch that until the end credits, I was like, oh my God, that was Danny DeVito. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: That was Danny DeVito. Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Was this Jack Nicholson's first movie or. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I'm imagining was I think he was pretty established by that time, but I think this was the one maybe he won his first award for and the one that really was like, oh, this guy is a superstar now. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: So first impressions? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: You said you were not pleased. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I mean, I don't think very much. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: You know, what's interesting is we just recorded and we'll have released an episode about Girl Interrupted, and then we're watching this one and I was like, oh, this is so fascinating because it's like similar time periods and they're both on inpatient hospital units. And I thought it just is interesting, the timing. Know, with Girl Interrupted, we really focus on borderline personality disorder and Winona Ryder's character, know, some antisocial personality disorder discussion with Angelina Jolie's character. And again, here we're finding the male view of antisocial personality disorder with Jack Nicholson's character, Randall McMurphy. So it was just interesting to sort of see again how they depicted an inpatient psychiatric unit, which I thought the environment was pretty accurate for those times. And still today it hasn't changed much. But I was struck immediately by, again, the nurses wearing their white clothes, which again, accurate for the time, not so much these days. All the orderlies I felt like were going to burst into a barbershop quartet song or serve me some ice cream with their little bow ties and stuff. But I feel like overall, when I rewatch this movie, it just makes me so sad to just see sort of how they portray the coercive nature of mental health treatment, especially ECT, the medication, so everything feels so punitive. That I think makes me really sad watching it as a psychiatrist and I don't think is accurate based on my experiences inpatient units. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, especially for today. Again, this was before my time. This is before I was born that this movie came out. No way to really tell what it was like, but it's this bizarre feeling of like, man, this is the image that has been there and permeated the culture of what this was. And I think when we were probably before enter our residency, and we're like, you get a little bit scared of going on the psychiatric floor for the first time as a med student, you're like, oh my God, what's it going to be like? Again, for those of us who have not been on an inpatient psychiatric floor, you're like, what is it going to be like? How are people going to be? Is it going to be like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? And then you get in there and you're like, oh, wait, it's not like that. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right? Yeah. I thought even the patients on the unit, the way they were depicted, I just thought was very stigmatizing and inhumane. And inaccurate. It felt like I had a hard time figuring out what each of the people like, what their diagnoses were, and they just sort of came across as being I don't know, how would you describe them? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Some of them were caricatures, right? I think we had the one patient who had been lobotomized who was just kind of there as the quote unquote vegetable. And then you have the know, the one guy, older guy who's just kind of dancing the entire time. You have Mr. Harding, I think is the closeted homosexual. And then you have some know, Billy Bibbitt is like the Stutterer. So again, you have these kind of caricatures that show up in you know, it's like, is it good? Is it bad? And not always. I think something from the book that's always just kind of lost in people is I think, if I remember correctly, I read the book, like, in high school, and I quickly did like a Wikipedia before this, just to kind of refresh a little bit. Yeah. And I was like, the book is told from the point of view of Chief, right, who in the book is a paranoid schizophrenic. Right. You have all this other he's got these conspiracy theories and this kind of bizarre delusions of how the world is being run, which none of that comes. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Across in Totally Lost. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, he's totally depicted as like, oh, he's just this quote unquote Indian, right, native American that can't talk. And it's one of the worst kind of things I think we've seen as psychiatrists or in the field is you get consults on people who are non English speaking and people are like, what's wrong with this person? They're not understanding what I'm saying. You know what? Again, it's just like, oh, you just didn't use the interpreter line. You didn't take the time to bother to find out how they communicate. But that was kind of the image in my mind. I was like, wow, this poor guy. Chief got thrown into the mental health or into the psychiatric unit because nobody could communicate with him. And that's what he's here for and he's just kind of gone along with it. There's no way to tell at all that he's schizophrenic in the movie at all. Right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Whereas I think in the book I also read it a long time ago, so I don't quite remember, but I believe there was a lot more dialogue about his paranoid thoughts, even if he wasn't saying them. You were getting that background, whereas even in the movie, you just see him sweeping a lot. Like, he doesn't seem especially paranoid. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, not at all. Again, in the movie, he's depicted as like this, again, totally normal person who just ended up there for some reason because he's, quote, deaf and dumb. And again, nobody can communicate with him. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And it's like, I don't think that's how you end up on a psychiatric unit. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Right. That's sometimes how you hopefully, again, you may get that random psych consult just because, again, some surgery resident will be like, I can't talk with the person. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: They must be bipolar. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, they must be a bipolar. Or they must be like something. Or they're just like, no, they just don't speak English. Which I think we all have our stories. Portia Pendleton LCSW: We saw that in Side Effects right at the beginning. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: So there's a gentleman who's brought into the Er who had attacked, they said, like a cab driver because he thought. Portia Pendleton LCSW: He had seen his father. And in that culture, there's a lot of ghosts and seeing relatives and elders. The psychiatrist in that movie, this is a good depiction, started speaking, I think, French or Creole and was able and then was able to understand what actually happened then was like, you don't need to keep him cuffed, so on and so forth. So that was a good depiction. Know what we didn't see here, maybe, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. What were your first impressions, Sulman, about Jack Nicholson's character? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: It's interesting because he's the main character. He's the hero of the film, per se. Right. The main protagonist of the film is this guy who's going to come onto the unit and rabble rouse and free all the patients who are there. And he has this idea that, again, these people are held there against their will, when actually he's the one who's being involuntarily committed. He's the one who's being held there. They have that moment in therapy where everyone was like, oh, I'm actually here because I want to be here. And it's kind of eye opening experience for him. And I think people kind of like in the beginning, or people will kind of forget that he's really a terrible person. Right? He's there because he's done these terrible crimes. He's a pedophile, for lack of a better term. He's committed statutory rape. And he's kind of reveled in the fact that he's being very graphic in describing the situation that occurred with this 15 year old girl. And you're just like, oh, wow, this guy is really a dirt bag. He's really not a good person. And he's committed all these crimes and he's lying to get out of prison so that he can be in, again, this vacation, quote unquote, that he thinks he's going to be on the mental health ward and he's going to dupe everybody. And you're like, wow, this guy is really antisocial. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: But then he's portrayed again, this charismatic person who's going to free all these people. So he's, again, not taking into consideration the impact of his actions and how Billy ends up not spoiler, but ends up completing suicide at the end of the movie. So by kind of accidents of what happened during the course of the film and that last night that they were there, right? Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I mean, I thought this was a good depiction of antisocial personality disorder in terms of the fact that people with these traits can be very charismatic, right? Like, that's how Ted Bundy lured all his victims, right. And I thought also that initial scene between McMurphy and the psychiatrist, who again, was an older white man, I thought his office was pretty spot on for what a psychiatrist's office probably looks, know? But you even see, like, trying to weasel his way in by commenting on the photos yes. About the fish he won and all this stuff. And you just see his true lack of remorse or empathy right away when the psychiatrist says, well, you've been in jail for five assaults, and there's this rape charge. And just the provocative, uncomfortable way he talks about that whole thing, I think gives you all the info you need to say, like, I think you got antisocial personality disorder and you're malingering. I don't know what more they could have done for him. And yet they keep him there, and it's like they want to help. But do they? It's unclear. And I wonder at the time of. Portia Pendleton LCSW: The movie, too, now, I mean, how his description of the child that he was with was so gross that that stayed with me for the rest of the film. But I'm wondering, too, even at the times, I think, why he won. And part of the reason why the movie did so well is because you kind of go back and forth with hating him and liking him. He wants to free people from their oppressed system, nurse Ratchet. And I think it's kind of interesting. He's like this horrible person, but then you're like, I would imagine some people, even maybe more so in the 70s, are like, rooting for him to free the patient. And it's interesting. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, absolutely. He is portrayed like he is the protagonist of the film, right. He is the hero. He's like the guy that, again, you're rooting for him and at the end, again, not to go into spoiler territory, but when he gets lobotomized, you're like, oh, I feel bad for him, right, a little bit. But at the same time, again, you are rooting for him and you're going along for him during the whole movie. And yeah, it is problematic. Absolutely. And it's really interesting when you look at it from when the book was written and the author, Ken Kesey is his name, right. He goes, know, again, a lot of what he was doing was a lot about how the themes are like, you're supposed to be against society, against this oppressive society, and about being the individual and being a real man, quote, unquote. So, again, all the masculinity aspects that come up in this and how society has castrated the man of today, right. That's some of the themes that are in the book, in the movie. So that's there and Ken Kesey goes on to in his life become this proponent of psychelic drugs and how we have to use again these substances to find this other sense of reality individuality when it's like you're kind of talking about a psychiatric facility and medications and then you're like, but no, we're going to use LSD and we're going to use still all the hallucinogenics and psychedelics to reach this altered sense of being too. So it's double standard, double that comes out. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Which interestingly, I think is still attention in the field today, right? Like I still think we encounter this a lot, people maybe who've had negative experiences with mental health care or haven't felt fully helped or fully heard or understood. And there is more and more research into psychedelics and the tools, how they can be helpful, but it's still a big gray zone and I think that tension is still felt even 50 years later. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, absolutely. Again, I'm very much keeping my ear to the field of this in my own clinical practice, like I do at my practice we do Spravata, which is the intranasal ketamine, and I've seen fantastic results from it. So it's really kind of been like, oh, there's something to this, right? There's some legitimacy to what this is. And I think as a field and as a society, we're absolutely robbed of decades of research, what could have been done when we criminalized all these substances. So I think there's some truth to it. But at the same time, just as many success stories we hear there's so many horror stories of things and just because everything is because everything is regulated so much, we're not able to, again, do proper research and get, again, really effective dosing the quality control that comes when you're buying illicit substances or black market substances, right? That's where the problems come. Because then you get people who are like, well, I'll just go do shrooms on the weekend and I'll be all good. Why do I need to microdose prozac? Right? I'll do this and so and then things, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Exactly. So one thing I found myself wondering while watching this movie is that relationship dynamic between Mick Murphy and Nurse Ratchet is really central to the film. And at first I found Nurse Ratchet to be so comforting, like the way she spoke and the way she just looked at you and she seemed so gentle and so well put together. But as the film goes on, you see this more sadistic side to her. And first of all, I don't think the nurse runs the therapy sessions on a unit. Usually that's done by a trained therapist. So that was a really interesting, huge error in the film. But then also she had so much control and is really depicted as being a pretty sadistic person and using all these types of severe punishments like ECT and the lobotomies, even the medications in a manipulative, cruel way. And I found myself wondering, is that who she really is or did he pull this out of her with his own behaviors? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I think this was who she was, because I think we see it even in that first group therapy session where she's weaponizing these people, the patients kind of their insecurities. I think she's like one of those people who, again, has a little bit more therapeutic training than a typical nurse on the unit may have. But she's really weaponizing it against some of the kind of defense mechanisms, some of the what's it called? I can't even think of the word right now. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: But she's weaponizing their vulnerabilities. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, she's weaponizing their vulnerabilities against them. And again, it is this aspect, again, when we come to the and this was there from the first scene, from the first group therapy scene, you see it like she picks on I think it was Mr. Harding, and that's with his wife being your wife, why do you think your wife is cheating on you? And then they have the whole discussion, and then it's like, well, actually, I think this is the reason why, and this is what's happening, and cuts really deep to the core. And I think you see McMurphy picks up on that. He's kind of there as a passive bystander observer in the first group therapy session. He's like, let me kind of see what the situation is and let me see who the characters are and what everybody is. And then I think he picks up, they're like, oh, this person is evil, too, in her own way. And he's like, now we're going to kind of compete a little bit to see who's really running really going to run the unit. She's got the one who's got, again, the backing, the strength behind her as well. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. It's almost like he's found his match. He could sense, like, they both share this sadistic side, and it just comes out in these different ways. And again, I think very gender normative type of ways, perhaps. But I think you're right from the beginning, nurse Ratchet can pick up those vulnerabilities in the patients and does use it to her advantage. And then that made me wonder, like, are these people really here voluntarily, or does she have this hold on? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, because I think there's that aspect, too, where, again, they all say, we could we can leave at any time, but they've been conditioned to feel like they're not ready to go. Right. Especially, again, Billy is one of the kind of the main characters, in a way, in that she's like, oh, me and your mom are old friends. What would she think, again? Which, again, leads to his fate, in a way. Well, directly to his fate. But again, it's the things that she does, again, grabbing onto these vulnerabilities and really kind of keeping all the patients where they're at. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Not allowing them to progress. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, exactly. Portia Pendleton LCSW: You see that in the group dynamic. It makes sense why, but she seemed to be kind of like, rationing everything up instead of kind of rationing everything up. That was not intentional, but afraid there. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Instead of removing right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: A group member. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I've run a good amount of groups. It's like, okay, if someone seems like they're getting dysregulated, sometimes it's like, okay, maybe go meet with this person and come back. Or let's try to de escalate the group. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like that scene with the cigarettes. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Yeah. And she's, like, continuing to dig at each one of them and kind of. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Pit them against each other. Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And that was not what group therapy is at all. And I think, again, just another depiction of it being really out of control and unsafe and scary and chaotic versus trying. The point of group work right. Is to feel safe or feel like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Other people get it. Yeah. Learn not just from the group therapy leader, but also from each other in a healthy, safe way, and exactly. It was like that whole scene with the cigarettes where everything unravels. It's almost like she kind of knew what she was doing. And then, because they behave so crazy, now we can send these three troublemakers to get ECT. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: How do you feel about that depiction of ECT? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: If nothing else, the lasting legacy of the movie is the depiction of what ECT is in the mental health field. Which at that time again, I don't know what it was like, but that movie was in the mid seventy s and it was placed in the 60s or the time was in the 60s. So sure that that was even outdated kind of experience of what act was. ECT, that we do now, or at least I haven't done act in ten ish years, I think back since my residency training. 910 years. Yeah. That it's. So different, right? ECT so different. All the research is the most effective, safest kind of treatment that we have out there. Are there people who are going to have issues with memory and headaches? Sure. But those are, again, very small. And when we compare that to the medications that we have, which we know our medications are dirty in a way. Right. There's a lot of side effects that come a lot of times when we're doing med check visits as, like, a psychiatrist or an outpatient or going forward, it's like, Are you having side effects? Are you having side effects? What side effects are you having? Right. That's the majority of kind of, like, our sessions. It's like, well, how do we manage these side effects? And then, by the way, are you feeling less depressed or less anxious or something like that, too? But let's deal with the side effects. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: First, especially for things like antipsychotics. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. Which are just like, again, very dirty medications. In a way. When we find a medication that has minimal, mild to minimal side effects, we're like, okay, we can deal with this. Right. We can work with this. Now, we've found the thing that worked for us, an act, for the most part, again, super clean. Right. People do really well. The memory loss, again, can it occur? Sure. It doesn't happen often. Not so much. Right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And usually isn't it for the memory loss that you experience? Isn't it for the time, like right around getting the treatment? It's not your whole life you forget or you can never lay down in a memory. Isn't it like just around the time you're getting the treatment? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: That's the most common is, again, just the amnesia that occurs around the treatment. Of course. Are there people who have more severe memory loss or have other kind of injuries that occur? Sure. But again, those are the exceptions, more so than the rule. And again, not to minimize what they've gone through, but again, we always look at things as a risk benefit and a big picture kind of thing, right. But ECT works, right? It's got a greater success rate. It's again, super safe in pregnancy. It is the treatment of choice in pregnancy a lot of times, and then it can help for so many people, for things like catatonia, it is, again, the treatment of choice that works really well. So it's something that, again, when we try to recommend it to people, I'll have patients and I'm like, hey, I think we're at a point where we need to look at something like TT and they're like, one flu with Google's Nest. What are you talking about? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Every time, almost every single time, it. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Becomes this Pavlovian response, almost, where people are like, one flu over Googleness? What are you talking about? Nothing's wrong with I'm not crazy, I don't need to do that. And you're like, no. And you have to kind of undo what this movie has done because you're like, it's totally different. It's a controlled environment. It's totally voluntary. You have an anesthesiologist, you have a psychiatrist. You're going to be going under really briefly. The seizure is controlled. You have a muscle relaxant or you have what's it called, the medications that are there so that the seizure is just localized just to your ankle. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Sure. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: And somebody's there with you. And it's a very comforting thing. Right. You're not going to experience anything and you'll feel better. Right? And they're like, no, I could never do that. They're going to make me bite on this thing, and I'm going to shake and I'm going to break my bones, and I'm going to forget everything, and I'm going to be like a vegetable when I come out. And it's like, no, please just erase that from your memory. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I know. I wish we could erase that from our conscious memory. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And even just like him going in there and there's like ten people in there, right? Like all the orderlies are in there ready to kind of restrain him, hold him down. Yeah. So even just like seeing that walking in the room again now, it's very. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Different, and he didn't know what was happening. I think that's what really jumped out at me the most this time is there was no informed consent. There was no explanation. It was like sending your yeah. In such a scare, like, they're just like, oh, we're going to put this conducted on your head, and we're here. Bite down on this. You could see how scared he was. And again, it's like, who wouldn't be, right? Who of us wouldn't be scared? If you walk into a room with all these people holding you down, of course you're going to freak out, but that is not how it's done at all. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, at all. It was really striking, too, because, again, he's portrayed as this really bad tough guy, right? And then you see it in Jack Nicholson. Again, his performance is fantastic in the movie where he grounds the corner to see the door, to walk into the door, where this like, he catches himself, and you're like you see the terror come over him, and you're like, he has no idea what's happening. We know from the field and just from having watched the movie before, like, oh, this is what's going to happen. But he has no idea. There's no mention of this at all. So it's a total surprise. And again, all these people are there, and he's like, what is going to happen? So this extreme moment of vulnerability for this person who's been portrayed as this big, bravado, tough guy the whole movie, right? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And I think the only clue he has is watching Cheswick get the treatment before him, right? You see them dragging him against his will to get it, and then he comes out like a vegetable on the stretcher. And then it's like, okay, you're up. And it's just so unfortunate. Again, I also haven't performed ECT myself since residency, but from what I remember, it can be an outpatient procedure, right? It's not something where you have to be institutionalized to get you come in, it's almost like having a day surgery get not even as invasive in a lot of ways. And again, I feel like that doesn't make sense to the average person to think like, you're stalking my brain. How is that not invasive? It is. I'm not saying it's not, but you come in, you talk about it, they sort of explain to you exactly what's going on in a very respectful way. There's a couple of people in the room. You have the psychiatrist, you have the anesthesiologist, you have a nurse. That might be it. Maybe there's a tech or someone like that. It doesn't take very long. They usually do unilateral. You pick one side first, and then as long as that works, you don't have to do bilateral, which means putting the things on both sides of your head that can lead to more side effects. So we try to avoid it. You're right that you have anesthesia and a paralytic so that your body basically stays still. You look for the twitch in the ankle. That's it. We're not thrashing you around, we're not holding you down. You're not biting your tongue. It's very quick, very mild. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And then I think it takes maybe. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: An hour or so, like in recovery, maybe a little longer, probably less, but I think you're observed for a period of time, but it's not that long. Then you go home and you do a couple of treatments. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Maybe at first you do two to. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Three a week for a period of time to get you into remission from whether it's depression, psychosis. You're 100% right that this is such a good treatment for conditions in pregnancy because there's no risk of medication effects on the fetus. Right. And then as you start to feel better, you space out the treatments. And then some people might get maintenance ECT to keep up the effects. And that's it. And, I mean, I had an attending psychiatrist, which is like your teacher in residency always say it would really frustrate him when we were on the inpatient unit, that we would have to petition the courts to get something like ECT. When he's like, all of these antipsychotics we're giving people have so many side effects, like diabetes, tartar, dyskinesia, anesthesia, all of these things that are so hard to control, and yet it's so much easier to give people these medications and not ECT. And I really wonder how much of that comes from this movie how much of that comes from the long lasting negative effects of this film on our society at large? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I would very much say that they're directly tied because, again, invariably, almost always gets brought up. And this is around the time of Deinstitution, the book and the movie, around that time where we ended the asylum system, for the most part. Right. And we have this massive decrease in the amount of people who are in mental health institutions or mental facilities, and where do they end up? They ended up in prison. Right, right. It's not like around the streets or anything like that. And a lot of those again, a lot of people who will end up, like, unhoused will end up in prison because it's a safe place. You get your three hots and a cotton and these things occur. And they get better care a lot of times. Or they get care yeah, right. At all. While they're in these facilities or in prisons as opposed to the facilities. Because everyone was like, oh, let's deinstitutionalize. And we'll put people into community resources. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Then no one paid for the community resources. We forgot that part. Yeah. We forgot that part. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah. So everyone was like, again, it was putting the carriage before the horse kind of deal, where it's like the resources weren't there. It would have been perfect if they were. And we put funding there and research, and we really put all the resources that were there. It could have been a great system, right. But it just couldn't it hasn't sustained it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. It hasn't panned out. And I think the film does bring up in a lot of ways, maybe not all of them in positive depictions, but about how do we treat vulnerable people in a humane way and what are examples of that going wrong, which I think this film has a lot of examples of it going wrong. And I think, unfortunately, that drive to deinstitutionalize, I like to think, came from a good place, and yet we forgot to invest in the community infrastructure to really make it effective. Right. I don't think anyone wants people to live their life on an inpatient unit, but for some subset of patients who are really having trouble functioning without that support, where do they end up? You're exactly right. That is where they end up. They end up unhoused. They end up in prison. That is our institution these days. And it's just so heartbreaking. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And we see that in group. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Just put a different name on that again, at least. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I don't know about Maryland or Virginia, but maybe like ten years ago now, there was a lot of group homes closed residential facilities in Connecticut, and a lot of those at the time I was working in residentials and they had kind of made their way still to institutions. But whether it was juvenile incarceration or substance use treatment facilities and again, I get the idea is, yeah, who wants to grow up in a group home? No one. That's not ideal at all. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: But also, what do we do with. Portia Pendleton LCSW: These teens and kids who have nowhere to go, right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And who need that support to a lot of times maintain your safety, not just from kind of like a psychiatric self harming perspective, but also from not being taken advantage of by other nefarious people out there, all the Mcmurphys of the world, who will all the Mcmurphys of the know. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I know. Portia Pendleton LCSW: So what we don't see kind of continue is lobotomies, right? So thank God they stopped around the 1950s. And I guess there was one the last one that was recorded in the United States was in 1967, and it actually ended up in the death of the patient who it was performed on. So that has not we've stopped that practice while ECT has become really safe, really effective, really studied, really specifically done. And I just thought that's kind of interesting that they're both shown in the movie a short period of time and kind of right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Like, at the very end, they don't ever say, like, oh, he got a lobotomy, or that's what happened. You just sort of make the assumption. And I do think as much as we are criticizing this film, it's also important. I'm sure you all agree that we not like us, we did this personally, but as a field, have to acknowledge there have been some bad things that. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Have happened, so we don't do this anymore. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, it's one of the things I know you'd referenced it before, but every Wednesday I do what's called like a WTF Wednesday right. Where it is kind of like looking back on history, some of the dark sides of the field, and not just the mental health field, but primarily the mental health field, to be like, this is what we did. This is the stuff that we did. Like, what the ****? Right? Sorry. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's okay. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I was like, what were the things that we were doing that was normal at the time? And a lot of it came from just the lack of understanding and just not knowing what we know. We go back and when I was talking about know, we did bloodletting and purging treatment, that was the father who's the I think he's on the seal as the APA, as the father of psychiatry. And he did this therapy where he would put people in chairs and spin the psychosis, the crazy out of them, quote unquote. Right. And I guess those are the things that we were doing. And then again, the shock therapy without anesthesia, that was, again, kind of like how it was depicted in one flu, the Cooper's Nest, without knowing that, hey, we can do this, but do it a lot safer. So very much a lot of ugly, ugly stuff that occurred in the history of psychiatry. And know, again, not even talking about, I think, Samuel Cartwright and some of the people who did a lot of the terrible stuff, like in the history of gynecology, so much stuff there's. Like, you can have a whole discussion on the terrible history of gynecology in. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: American Threat as well, 100%. And I think it is important as present day providers to keep all that history in mind and also keep that healthy degree of skepticism like in the stuff we do these days to think just to stay ethical and humane. And I think also looking back on all those practices, there unfortunately is a lot of racial discrepancies, socioeconomic discrepancies about which patients were getting these treatments or these experimental treatments or things against their will or even against their knowledge. And that's terrible, but we have to keep it in mind to hopefully turn the tides and keep working toward better, more equitable, more open types of treatment. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, again, when we really look at the racial history of it and again, we saw it kind of in the movie, but not so much all of the black individuals were the orderlies. There were no black patients that were there. I know Chief is again the Native American, but he's a patient as well. But everybody else was white, all the people in power. Yeah, the one white doctor there was, I think, like the Indian doctor and maybe there was some other doctor that was there when they had like, their rounds for that one, during that one scene of rounds and discussing stuff. But again, it's a lot of the white people, but we know that historically, or even not historically, but currently too, black individuals get diagnosed with schizophrenia four times higher than non or than white individuals. So that's something that and we know that these rates are not true. It's not like people are four times more likely to be no, it's just a lot of this goes into the biases that occur. We know that, again, non white kids get diagnosed with ADHD less than white kids. We know that, again, non white kids are having more odd, odd more conduct diagnoses than white kids. There's that aspect of, like, oh, this is just how they are. So, again, we don't look at trauma disorders as much in non white individuals. We're like, oh, this is just characteristically or character logically. This is who they are. And again, these are the biases that come out, and we see them. And a lot of, like, when I'm seeing patients, I end up undiagnosing so many of these diagnoses that are misplaced that I'm like, clearly this kid has trauma, right? Clearly this teenage girl has PTSD. She's not bipolar. Clearly, this kid has ADHD. They have a learning disorder that's never been recognized, right? Because somebody didn't take the time to really sit down with them and discuss them or see what's going on there 100%. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Portia Pendleton LCSW: And even we've seen you commented on one of Dr. Callie's videos on you know, I'm just thinking back, I guess, eight years ago, working at a teen male adolescent substance use unit, every single one of them had Odd, like, coming in. It was almost like a prerequisite to be on the unit. Like, you had a substance use disorder, sometimes a couple, and then you had Odd, and it's, like, literally just kind of reflecting back on it. I don't know, 99% of them I'll leave 1% just for room had trauma, like, significant trauma, whether it was chronic or just, like, singular traumas. And that really even eight years ago wasn't really addressed. So I think even now, I think we're doing a better job of just sharing information and kind of deconstruct some of it. And of course, there's always tons of room to grow and keep going. But I think even we've done a lot of work in the past couple of years. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: And I hope that as we keep trying to better understand our patients and the human condition at large, I think we're also starting to talk about that trauma. That different subsets of the population experience is directly tied to the experience of being, like, a black person in America today, for example, that, yeah, there's a lot of trauma that comes with that that you might not call PTSD, but it's there. And it's directly tied to politics, economic, like, all of it. And I think it can feel really overwhelming. And like, you get swallowed up to see that in clinical practice day in and day out. But it's so important to acknowledge rather than saying like, well, you're just oppositional or you're just psychotic or it's so much more complicated than yeah. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: And to kind of give a story with know, I work in Loudoun County in Virginia, which is like the richest county in America. And our neighbor is Fairfax County, which is the second richest county in a certain the patients that we see are certain demographics, I guess you can say, right? Predominantly white. Vinya is predominantly white. There's a shift with it as it's become much more like technologically, a leader and we have a lot of it stuff. So then there's a changing demographic that's kind of there. But I'm always struck by this one patient counter. I'll try to hide details and things, but it was a little African American kiddo, and he had punched one of his peer at school, and he got in trouble for that. Right. And I was trying to see how do I tell this story a little differently? The question I asked is, when they come to me, I'm like, well, why'd you punch the kid? Right. What happened that led to this? Right? And he's like, well, he called me the N word, right? And then I'm like, well, I'm not mad at you. Right, right. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: So what is the right way to. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Handle that, to respond to this bully called him the N word and he punched him back, and then he's the kid who gets in trouble for it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. Did that kid come into the psych unit too? The other kid? Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: No, of course not. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Of course not. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Right? Yeah. So it's like this is how we kind of weaponize racial identity and how our cultural background against people. It's like Kiddo had a perfectly totally normal response. Again, are we condoning violence? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: No. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: But at the same time, do I understand why he punched the kid? Absolutely. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. Right? Portia Pendleton LCSW: And now, though, he's reactive, he's dangerous, he's violent, he's aggressive. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: He's one of those kids. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: He's one of those aggressive black kids. Right. Again, the narrative that's created that he's a troublemaker and a fighter and blah, blah, blah. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right. That's a really positive note to leave, to end on. But it's so true. I mean, I think it's heartbreaking, but I think if we just sort of keep our head in the sand and we don't acknowledge these whatever you want to call it, microaggressions, macroaggressions, racism, misogyny, trauma, poverty. If we don't acknowledge it, nothing will get better. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: It's funny. I laugh when you said microaggressions because I just posted like a video recently I talked with Isra Nasser. She's a Pakistani immigrant, and she's become a very much a leader in mental health and the field of in it in the community. And she's a therapist, counselor and stuff. And I posted a clip about microaggressions that she had faced when she came over, immigrated from Saudi Arabia to over here or Canada and then over here. It's a common thing I joke about, like, oh, you speak English? Really? Again? Like, yeah, you're having the reaction that you understand that that's not a cool thing to say. And I posted on YouTube, and then I'm getting all these comments from people being like, again, white people who are being like, people are just being nice to you when they say that. How dare you have this victim mentality. And it's like, you understand you're proving the point by saying I know. Saying that these people are being nice to you by saying that you speak English really well and you are different and you are this and that, and if you have this victim mentality your whole life, this is how you're never going to get advanced in life. Portia Pendleton LCSW: It's still her fault. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, it's still her fault. I was like, you understand, you're just gaslighting, and you're continuing the microaggressions that are going on by telling people to just be okay with it. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: I know. What am I proving the point? Portia Pendleton LCSW: And it's like, nothing, maybe nothing. You don't need to comment on that. And I think people love commenting on everything, and I think we could do a better job of just keeping some. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Thoughts in our head or just being a little more introspective and even just being able to say, like, oh, wow, I didn't know about microaggressions, or that was a microaggression, or how that landed for this person, given their experience. Maybe I should think about that and maybe reflect and maybe it's okay, I feel remorseful or embarrassed about it, and I could try to do a little better. Maybe I should listen to them. Maybe they are really like the authority on their own lived experience. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Exactly. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Radical idea. Yeah, radical idea. Portia Pendleton LCSW: If you don't have the insight that's true. Open to thinking about things a different way, then, right? That's true. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: That's true. Anyway, well, this was great. Portia Pendleton LCSW: I mean, is there anything else we want to talk about with the movie or just, like the commentary on it? I think the big themes that I think we covered are, like, it's a lot different now in a lot of different ways. Are there still hospitals and units and therapists and psychiatrists who do a better job than others? Of course. Are there some people who maybe shouldn't be in the field? Of course. But I think it's just reminding yourself, even as a patient, like, you should have informed consent, it's okay to ask questions. You're allowed to say, what is this? I'm interested in something else, or can you talk me through this? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: What are my options? Portia Pendleton LCSW: If you're recommending prozac, it's okay to ask, well, what about Lexapro? Like, you're allowed to ask questions to, your know, ideally right. The gold standard of care would be that they're listening actively. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I think kind of like, the takeaway I appreciate the movie the way I don't have this. I think you were saying, like, you have this this gut visceral reaction to the movie. I think it's necessary viewing for all I think it's necessary viewing, right, for a lot of people. If you're in the field, again, from the fact that you have to look at it from a lens of history and a lens of, like, this is what not to do, and this is how we don't do things anymore. This is how things may have been. Again, some of this stuff is absolutely dramatized for the sake of great storytelling, and it is a great movie if you look at it from the point of view of just a movie, somebody who's watching the movie, it's earned its accolades and its place in history. But from the mental health field, it's an important movie still, and it has a lasting impact 50 years later. And we have to know that our patients are aware of this. Our clients are aware of this. They know its history. They know what it is. They have a lot of misconceptions about the field because of this, right? So we have to know that going. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Into it as a whole, 100%. And I'm curious we can cut this out if you don't want to talk about this, but you did mention watching this with your children, and I'm just curious what they thought. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, so I watched it with my eight year old son and my seven year old daughter because I was like, oh, they wanted to do movie night. It's summertime. And I was like, cool. I was like, oh, I have to watch this movie again because I have to talk about it. And they're like, oh, by the way, this was, like, what Baba does for his job, right? He's a psychiatrist. He's one of the people who and these are the people I work lot of it was interesting because they had a lot of questions about what's wrong with this person? What's wrong with the birth, and why are they dancing? What's like, to be like, well, teach them. I was like, well, some people are different. Some people have things that are going on in them that they may act or look or think a little bit differently. And I'm open in saying it. We have someone in our friend community who is like, quote unquote, level three autism. They have intellectual disability communication issues. He's a little bit older, and they play with him and everything like that. And I was like, oh, you know, this guy something's a little bit different with him. Not something's wrong with him, but something a little bit different. And I was like, oh, these are the people that Baba kind of works with a little bit and helps them out, hopefully helps them out. And they're like, oh, okay. And then again, there was a lot of questions. They're like, oh, Baba, they're using a lot of bad words. There's so many bad words in this one, being like, oh, why are they naked together? What's going on? I was like, Guys, close your eyes. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Once the girls come in, you're like. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Oh, well, this is not what Baba does at work. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: I was like, I forgot about this. Again, they're not going to obviously understand everything that was going on in there, and then they enjoyed it. Some stuff they're like, okay, but they're not going to be watching it again and telling their friends that they watched. Right. It's not Transformers or something like that. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Didn'T necessarily grab their attention in the same way. Yeah, but I think that's also just. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Like, a great anecdote of changing language and how important and powerful language is of well, there's a lot of different people. That doesn't mean that they're bad or weird or strange or scary. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Well, thank you so much for joining us today. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Absolutely. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: We hope you just had a blast revisiting this movie with your children, talking about it with us. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Well, thank you. I appreciate yeah. Again, that's the main thing is we have to and a lot of this kind of came from a conversation I had with Dr. Gold as well. Who Jesse? We all love Jesse. She's great. But when we go out, we publish things. If we work our whole life and we get something published in right. Or the New England Journal of Medicine, again, not everybody very rarely that these things occur. This is like the pinnacle of scientific, academic, medical kind of publishing. The layperson just read it. How many people are reading? Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Right, right, exactly. And if they try to read it no, I can't even understand half the time. Dr. Sulman Mirza MD: Yeah, I don't read this stuff half the time because I'm like, I have to really think about this and, like, statistics. I have to think. I have to use my brain reading this. But we know that, again, people are going to get their information from YouTube or they're going to get it from Twitter, they're going to get it from TikToks or they're going to get it from whatever. It's going to be Vogue magazine and Time magazine. So it's like, it's important for people who have legitimate voices and backgrounds to be in those worlds as well. So that versus the people who we know are misusing those to kind of push out BF. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yes. Right. Well, keep fighting the good fight. Keep buying your sneakers. I love to see them. Portia Pendleton LCSW: Well, and just to remind everyone who's listening, you can find Solman at the Kicks shrink Instagram. So it's Kick Shrink, as in, like, shoes, and then shrink on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube and find his content there. We certainly like it. So I think you will, too. Dr. Katrina Furey MD: Yeah. And thank you once again for joining us, and you can find us again at Analyze Scripts on Instagram. 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  Adam Berry of the Travel Channel's Kindred Spirits joins Patrick in the parlor to discuss his brand new book, Goodbye Hello: Processing Grief and Understanding Death Through the Paranormal, which has received praise from psychic medium, Tyler Henry! Other topics include the tragic Upstairs Lounge fire and its place in LGBTQ+ history, haunted honey, the best depressing movies, the reverence of prayer, and an individualized afterlife! Visit BigSeance.com/227 for more info. Other Listening Options Direct Download Link   In this episode: Intro :00 Adam Berry is the executive producer and star of his own paranormal reality television show on the Travel Channel called Kindred Spirits (now in its seventh season). His other TV credits include Reunion in Hell, Haunted Salem: Live, Kindred Spirits: Resurrected, Paranormal Lockdown, Expedition Unknown: Search for the Afterlife, Ghost Hunters, Ghost Hunters Halloween Live, Ghost Hunters Academy, Pickler & Ben, the Anderson Cooper show, and Weekend Today, among others. After growing up in a haunted house and years of study and research, he founded his own paranormal research team with his husband, Ben Berry, in Provincetown, MA, and soon after his hobby became a career. He has traveled the country extensively giving lectures in theaters and at conferences and conventions on paranormal investigation and supernatural phenomena. He is a graduate of the Boston Conservatory. :46 Adam's book, Goodbye Hello: Processing Grief and Understanding Death Through the Paranormal, and praise from psychic medium, Tyler Henry! 1:51 Patrick is catching up on Kindred Spirits! 2:37 Adam Berry's in the parlor! 4:21 A paranormal production on Broadway? 5:49 Let's talk about Goodbye Hello 9:37 The Upstairs Lounge fire and its place in LGBTQ+ history. (Book mentioned: Let the F*gg*ts Burn: The Upstairs Lounge Fire by Johnny Townsend) 13:25 Goodbye Hello isn't a memoir, but a memoire IS coming soon! 18:15 Interviewing Tyler Henry! And will we see him investigating in a future Kindred Spirits episode? 20:54 Haunted honey and Adam's incredibly unique ritual meditation at Liberty Hall. 23:45 Adam and Amy and how they recharge and wind down after investigations. 28:37 Patrick breaks in briefly to add his thoughts, based on his experience at a Strange Escapes event with Amy and Adam. 30:01 More on recharging and winding down after investigations. 32:00 “Sometimes you want to watch that movie that depresses you so good, you know? Like it makes you have a good cry, or what ever it is, right? And you want to stay in that feeling, because you're alive. It makes you feel alive.” For Patrick, this might be Girl Interrupted. For Adam it's Dancer in the Dark with Bjork, and it is Patrick's homework assignment. (Update: Patrick has completed his homework and is traumatized.) 32:35 The reverence of prayer 35:24 Why Adam doesn't specifically reach out to loved ones who have passed on. 39:55 The individualized afterlife, and the danger of having a preconceived idea of what crossing over is like. 41:36 When your thoughts on the paranormal and the afterlife change. 44:45 Details about Goodbye Hello and how to get your autographed copy! 46:25 Outro 49:38 A special THANK YOU to Patreon supporters at the Super Paranerd and Parlor Guest level! 50:58   For more Adam Berry AdamBerryBooks.com Goodbye Hello on Amazon Facebook: @AdamBerryFans Twitter: @AdamJBerry Instagram: @AdamBerry TikTok: @theAdamBerry     The Big Seance Podcast can be found right here, on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Pandora, Spotify, TuneIn Radio, Amazon Music, and iHeart Radio. Please subscribe and share with a fellow paranerd! Do you have any comments or feedback? Please contact me at Patrick@BigSeance.com. Consider recording your voice feedback directly from your device on my SpeakPipe page! You can also call the show and leave feedback at (775) 583-5563 (or 7755-TELL-ME). I would love to include your voice feedback in a future show. The candles are already lit, so come on in and join the séance!

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are analyzing the '90s movie "Girl, Interrupted" based on the memoir by Susanna Kaysen. This film depicts two years of a young adult woman's life at McLean Hospital in the 1960s where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder (BPD). This episode analyzes everything from why it's so hard to talk about BPD, psychoanalytic vs behavioral treatment methods, the deinstitutionalization movement, antipsychotics, and our opinions about Angelina Jolie's portrayal of sociopathy. We hope you enjoy! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. We get started with this episode. We just wanted to add a trigger warning. Some of this content could be disturbing to listen to. We're talking about the film Girl Interrupted, and there are some themes of suicide, disordered eating, and I would say institutional traumatization. So again, if any of these themes hit too close to home or could potentially be damaging, please feel free to skip this episode and join us again next time. Otherwise, enjoy. Hi, thanks for joining us. Today we are going to talk about the hit movie Girl Interrupted. A real blast from the past from my favorite decade, the 90s. This movie is based on the 1993 memoir by Susannah Casey, who wrote about two years of her life spent at McClain Hospital in the 1960s in Massachusetts, where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Portia so when I recommended we covered this movie, I totally didn't remember the plot. I don't actually know if I saw the whole thing. I was just like, oh yeah, there's a movie with Angelina Jolie and she got an Oscar and it's probably really good. I totally forgot that the main character was diagnosed with Bpd, which I actually think is great for us to talk about because we've alluded to this diagnosis and some of our other know, I'm thinking like, what about Bob Succession White Lotus? And I still find that this is a tricky diagnosis to talk about with patients to explain to patients to explain to other. I thought, you know, Winona Ryder's character like, did a great job being like, what is it? On the borderline of what? What are you talking about? Right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. And at the time, though, this was newish. Marsha Linehan hadn't written her book yet on DBT. [02:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't even think there was DBT yet. Thinking about the 1960s, I thought this film did a great job depicting what it probably was like to be psychiatrically hospitalized in the 60s, which is so different from what it's like today. Place that is very true. So this film was filmed at Harrisburg State Hospital in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. It was filmed in 1999, but it was based on McLean Hospital, which is probably the number one psychiatric hospital in our country for a long time. I think it is affiliated with Harvard, and I think they do still have some longer term units like this, but you see a lot of treatment. You know, she goes to therapy many times a week. She's sitting on the couch. Her therapist is sitting behind her. Unfortunately falls asleep at one point, which I don't think actually happens in real life, but speaks to how she felt probably like there was a disconnect and you hear about how she's there for two years. That just doesn't happen anymore. But in the did, that was the treatment. People used to be admitted and stay for a really long time until in the mid 1960s, in the Reagan era, there was this big move not just in our country but internationally to deinstitutionalize patients, right? So sort of close down these long term hospitals which we called asylums and invest more in community mental health centers. And I think I don't know this for sure, but I believe that coincided with the invention of modern day antipsychotic medication like Thorazine and the other medications that came from that, like Haldol, basically medications that could treat schizophrenia and thereby treat these patients in a way that hopefully they didn't have to live in an institution. Sadly, we haven't invested enough in the community mental health centers that were supposed to be created to sort of support patients and we've had some really awful side effects from that. Primarily homelessness and institutionalization in jails. That is the number one provider of mental health treatment in our country. How awful and disgusting is that? And again, it's because not enough money goes into these community mental health centers. So nowadays you might be admitted for a couple of days to really stabilize you, tweak your meds, but you're not getting this type of intensive, insight oriented therapy anymore that we see depicted in this movie. And I think that's really sad. You can get that if you can pay for. [05:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, it's wildly expensive. [05:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wildly expensive. And I think some places, like other, you know, hospitals might take insurance. I don't know if insurance would cover it. [05:41] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, they take some and especially for some programs. Like, I've had some people go to McLean, I've known some people to go to Silver Hills. Those two places over the years have definitely taken more of an insurance route for some of their programming and other tracks that they have. Other parts of their residences or programs are not insurance based. [06:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think that also just speaks. [06:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: To like there's not a lot of people who can afford to be somewhere for a year and pay that. So I think they've also just had to do that where it's like some of their income is insurance based and others they are able to get private pay. [06:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I would like to think that they would take insurance for more situations if insurance would freaking pay, right? But insurance is the worst. That's a whole nother tangent for another day. But they don't pay. They don't even pay know, short just it's really an abomination. Yeah. So anyway, getting back to the movie, we have an all star cast. So Winona Ryder is playing Susanna, the main character. We have Angelina Jolie playing Lisa, the woman with sociopathy. She won an Academy Award for this role. I think Winona Ryder did too. Or maybe she was nominated. I can't remember. We have Whoopi Goldberg playing Valerie, the nurse. Elizabeth Moss playing Polly, the girl who was a burned victim from childhood. Clea duvall is played. Georgina susanna's roommate. [07:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she is in the show Veep. [07:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: That I really love. I haven't seen it before, but I've heard really good. [07:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, it's her. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. [07:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Brittany Murphy, who played Daisy. Who. That's just a tragic death and weird circumstances on its own. But I loved her, and I loved her roles in the then we had Jared Leto, who knew? Playing Toby. [07:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, who? Before I looked at the cast list, I was like, who is that? Why does he look so familiar? I couldn't believe it. So young. [07:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [07:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like a baby. [07:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: They all look so young. And then we have Jeffrey Tambor playing Dr. Melvin Potts, her first psychiatrist. And then we see Vanessa Redgrave playing Dr. Wick, the female psychiatrist. And there's a lot of other characters too, but those are just some of the main heavy hitters. [08:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [08:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: So what did you think, Portia, about the opening? [08:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: A little confusing. I mean, I was like, Is this present know? And then I was confused because it starts with her in the hospital, right, getting her stomach pumped. [08:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Then I think the very first thing is you see, like, a broken light bulb in a syringe, and the girl's like, in the psych hospital, and you're like, what's going on? And then it flashes. [08:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then she wakes up. [08:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, okay. [08:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So was that a flashback? Was that a memory? Is her stomach getting pumped real? I was confused with those two first scenes. [08:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, totally. And I wonder I would imagine that was kind of intentional. And then we see her being pretty aggressively restrained. We see the tube down her throat, I think, pumping her stomach. And my first thought was, what did she overdose on? This looks like they're trying to treat her for an overdose. And then someone screams out, oh, she's a wristbanger. I was like, what does that mean? And she said something about, there's no bones in my hand. And I was like, what is going on here? But I think it did give a pretty good snapshot into her mental state at that point in time. I was like, okay, she's overdosed on something that's dangerous enough where they have to aggressively pump her stomach. Now, we can't wait. We have to hold her down before we even get a sedative in her. Maybe back then they didn't even really have sedatives. Honestly, I'm not sure when things like Adivan and stuff were invented. And that thing about not having bones in her hand made me think, is she psychotic? Is she not? What's going on? Then we see her lock eyes with that man in the hallway, who we later learn is, like, her dad's colleague who's married, and she's had some sort of sexual relationship with him. And then she's pretty quickly seeing a psychiatrist in his home. You see her looking out the door, seeing his family and looking out the window and seeing her mom unpacking a suitcase. And I was like, Uhoh, yeah. [10:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And still does happen. But I think it was more common in the past with these kind of, like, voluntary, but involuntary getting someone to treatment. Right. So it's like, whether you're an adolescent, and it's not voluntary at all, and your parents are taking you there, so it's under their voluntary, but not telling them where they're going. So, hey, we're going to go for a car ride. They don't know their suitcases packed, and then we're taking you to treatment. Or the horror stories of those wilderness camps where you're, like, abducted in the middle of the night. I was kind of thinking of that with Susanna being an adult. Right. It's like, in my head, I'm like, at any time, she can kind of. [10:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Back out of this. Well, can she? It turns out she couldn't. Right. [10:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That was also my question was, why. [10:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was it different in the so I don't know the full rules, but I do know that a lot of things they depicted in terms of getting her to the hospital don't happen these days. So she's seeing this psychiatrist. So an old white man, by the way, and he doesn't do this anymore. He very readily volunteers that way to instill confidence in your patient. I thought he was very shaming. I didn't like the way he spoke to her. He was not connecting with her. It was very clear she was, like, a bother to him in that the way he was saying, like, I'm just doing this as a favor to your dad. Why are you doing this to everyone around you? I just thought it was awful. What a terrible way to treat someone who is just clearly attempted suicide, even if she's saying, I always just had a headache. I didn't mean to take that much. It's clear what was going on. And then he just puts her in a cab and trusts the cab driver to take her to the psychiatric hospital. Okay. Yeah. Okay. [11:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's his responsibility. [11:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: We 100% don't do that. If you need to send someone to the psychiatric hospital, hopefully you can talk with them and talk with their family and come up with a plan where they're on board. That's the ideal way, right, to sort of have their family bring them, and they're voluntarily seeking help. Sometimes people aren't willing to go and they need to go for their safety. And that's when, at least in the state of Connecticut, a psychiatrist can involuntarily hospitalize someone by signing what's called the Physician's Emergency Certificate or a PEC form. There's only two conditions in our state where you can basically take away someone's civil liberties by saying you have to be institutionalized against your will. That would be if you are an imminent threat to yourself or someone else. So in terms of like suicidality or homicidal threats or if you are so gravely disabled from your mental illness that there is fear of your being able to survive without immediate intervention. So people who unfortunately have something like a psychotic disorder, who aren't eating, who are harming themselves in some way but might not realize it like if they have diabetes and aren't taking their insulin, things like that. But it has to be really severe in order for you to be able to check that box. You can't check it for things like substance abuse. That's a different type of involuntary commitment and that one's really hard to get. [13:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You can also send people involuntarily to the hospital just for the eval. You know what I mean? Like cops can do that. [13:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're right. Sometimes people will voluntarily sign themselves in. Once you do that, though, you can't voluntarily sign yourself out. Usually the team does have to kind of be in agreement that you're ready to leave. If not, then they could petition the courts to then involuntarily commit you to sort of see out your treatment. But it's not like, for two years anymore. [13:44] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So we learn later in the movie. But that Lisa has been there for eight years. [13:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Not surprising, right, given her personality pathology. And it seems like she frequently elopes, which is the fancy word to say. [13:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You know, my question was just thinking about is she making herself known? Is she kind of coming back? Is she presenting in a hospital somewhere? Like, how are they finding her? [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Are they finding her or is she finding them? Does she have some sort of tie of dependency to the institution that's been taking care of her? Because it seems like she's like the leader in some ways. Right. And I thought that I mean, what were your thoughts, Portia, of Angelina Jolie's depiction of Lisa with antisocial personality disorder? [14:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was good because you can see how those people can kind of suck others in yes. [14:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: That charming. [14:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And appear really interesting and powerful and fun and light and it's almost like they know what you need. So she was all these things to different people. [14:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And then knows also how to get under people's skin. Like we see with Daisy in a really sinister way. [14:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah. Like horrific. I mean, I didn't really, I guess, get the flair of oh, my. Like, I really don't like her. She's horrible. Until that moment. [15:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Right. [15:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Until the because she doesn't let it go. It wasn't just like, oh, I kind of threw this out there. Maybe someone may do that. I'm thinking maybe who has, like, a borderline personality disorder. They're kind of pushing the limits a little bit, but take it that far is not typical, right? [15:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I thought at first in seeing her on the screen, I thought she was depicting Bpd because she comes in very provocative. You can tell, like, the staff is all up in arms, right? Like, Nurse Valerie, played by Whoopi Goldberg, I think is helping Susanna settle in and then gets some kind of someone comes in, like, whispers in her ear, like and then you see all the staff is ah. Some of the patients there get really nervous, but then some of them are excited to see her again. I think that actually displayed the concept of splitting really well. That these types of patients tend to rile people up. And some people are on the good side, some are on the bad side. And then you pit them against each other. [16:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really manipulative. [16:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really manipulative. And so at first, I thought that was the type of character she was portraying until the movie went on. And you'd see her get under people's skin and then not let go. And you could sense she got off on that. Even in the rolling chair when she steals the nurse's pen and has it at her throat with that sort of suicidal gesture. You got the sense they've done this before. You knew that this nurse had opened. [16:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Up to her, which huge red flag. [16:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Don't do that. [16:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And also, though, it's like that is most likely to happen with that kind of a patient, 100%. They're really good at getting under your. [16:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Skin and getting you to open up to feel safe and comfortable. This is how serial killers abduct people. This is how it happens. So I thought she did an amazing job portraying both sides of that. Like, both the charming, fun, playful nature that attracts people and then that sinister, manipulative, sadistic side. [17:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, not being impacted by Daisy's death. So, like, Susanna is very appropriate reaction. And again, I'm saying this like, ha ha. But even someone with a personality disorder. [17:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: It'S like, yeah, because she has appropriate. [17:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Emotions that maybe are extreme. But like, wow, you see someone who a dead body, someone who's hanging very disturbing. And you have this emotional reaction because you're a human with you know, Lisa. [17:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is not she takes her money and she goes I think, again, that was just such smart writing and depiction. I guess I was reading that didn't actually happen. Like, they didn't escape together. I was reading a little bit on Wikipedia about the author's take on this movie and I think she actually didn't love it. But there were some things that didn't actually happen like that scene. So whether it happened or not, I hope it didn't for daisy's Sake. But it was really smart writing to portray these two women who are both struggling psychiatrically, but with different personality flavors. And I think you do see some overlap between the Bpd and ASPD antisocial personality disorder, which, again, are all under the same cluster of personality development, like the provocative nature, the splitting, the intense mood swings, the all or nothing way of thinking and feeling and relating to people. But you see how antisocial personality disorder is different, right? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There's lacking empathy, there's lacking people with Bpd can relate to others. They do experience emotions appropriately and sometimes extreme. It's not a lack of in most cases, it's intense. [18:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [18:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Too many emotions. [18:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's a very intense emotions for the situation, but you still experience them. And they're not always, quote unquote, too intense. Sometimes they're totally accurate. But even, like, the scene with Susanna and Valerie where Susanna's in the bathtub, and she says awful things to thought. I don't know about you, but I felt like that was the scene where I really saw the Bpd side of Susanna. Kind of like until then, I was like, I don't really know if I buy that she has this diagnosis or if she's just, like, a struggling. Like, maybe it's a little too early to diagnose her with something like this, but then she really throws out, like, racial slurs, really derogatory things. Because I think Valerie was trying to connect with her. And I think for someone with Bpd, that feels very scary. Right. It's like you crave attachment, and you also fear it because you might lose it. So I felt like that was her trying to push her away in a really extreme way. And then later, though, you see that Susanna has a lot of remorse and guilt for what she said, whereas someone like Lisa would not. Daisy's character as well, is very you. [20:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Know, I think there's a lot there. I think also, if we're going on what Lisa said is true, which sounded like her dad was molesting her for. [20:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, like, no one else had kind of brought that up. And I do feel like people with sociopathic traits have this uncanny ability to sniff these things out and pull them out. Right. I don't know how, but they do. They can sense this stuff and pull it out and really dig at you. Yeah. [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: We didn't know that until that scene where she was kind of pushed over the edge. But she talked about being wealthy a lot. It seemed like she was abusing laxatives. They were kind of trading colase for Valium, which can happen at residential or inpatient places. That's why you're typically supposed to show your mouth. You lift your tongue, move it around to show that you're not tonguing meds. [21:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Or cheeking them or throwing them up afterwards before they've been metabolized. Yeah. [21:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So that's a part that's just I mean, it can happen, and it is. [21:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: What it is, but it does happen. [21:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The trading is just so unhelpful, right? Because it's like you don't know what drugs you're trading something for that then you're taking could be interacting with something else that your prescriber is giving you that they don't know that you're doing this. Very dangerous do not do thought. And maybe you can speak on this a little bit. It was interesting, which I know would never happen. [21:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [21:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So before she's seen by a medical and I'm talking about Susannah before she's evaluated or sees any psychiatrist, she's already taking medication and they're giving her laxative. Why? [21:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought they were giving her sleeping pill at first. Well, I guess they also give her choli. Right? [21:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, anyway, but any medication. [21:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. So there were definitely, I would say, some positive elements of the movie about the way they depicted mental health treatment back at that time. As it was. It could be at these beautiful institutions where you would have, like, a nurse's station. Then the patients would have their rooms. There'd be a common area. There would be other rooms like the art room, the music room, stuff like that. I think even nowadays, at more residential type places, you try to have that stuff so that during the day, you're not just sitting around, there's some therapeutic intervention. Right. So that I thought was pretty positive and spot probably, I would imagine McLean still might kind of look like that. The things that I thought were not great was that, like you said, she didn't see a psychiatrist at all and she's already taking medication. Like, that doesn't happen nowadays, and she. [22:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Wasn'T already on it. [22:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's not like they were continuing what she was on. But even for that, if you're admitted to a psychiatric hospital and you get to the unit at 03:00 in the morning, there's a psychiatrist on staff who will at least come and do a physical exam. Listen to your heart, listen to your lungs, check your blood pressure. [22:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You're getting labs. [22:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're getting labs done. Maybe you need an EKG just because they might have hurts like a murmur or you're on a medication, they want to make sure that your heart is functioning okay, especially her, who just had a recent overdose. And then you go through like, do you have any allergies? What other medications do you take? Do you have any dietary preferences? Nowadays they also ask you what are your pronouns? All of this stuff happens the second you hit the floor. It doesn't wait till the morning. You might not meet your primary treater and get into the therapy side of things at 03:00 in the morning, but you would have that done, and you would talk about what medications they were going to prescribe or not and why and why. So I didn't like that. And you can't force anyone to take medication. That's the other thing that was inaccurate and made me upset, is like when susannah would express, like, I don't want to take this. You can't force them. That is totally coarse. If you can't do that, you need a court order to give anyone medication, which sometimes you do have to apply for, and sometimes it is granted. Like, if you have a patient with really severe chronic schizophrenia who needs their injectable antipsychotic to maintain wellness, that gets really tricky. But for stool softener, no one's forcing you to take a stool softener, okay? And like you said, they do like, tongue and cheek checks and make sure you are taking your medication. And they depicted that sometimes, but not all the time. But yeah, the chicken carcasses. What do you think about that? Interesting. [24:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, it seemed like she does like, purge, right? So either laxative use or there was some alluding to maybe some binging, like some little bit of bulimia both at the unit and then when she was in her apartment. That made me think that again, I mean, I'm going very loosely making that diagnosis. I also would say that the other patient on the unit who appears to have anorexia, which the weird comment of she's like, yelling about wanting her clothes, and then the nurse says, then you'll have to eat something, does not happen. [24:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Now you can't manipulate people to eat. [24:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And also that's typically why there are now so many separate units. It's very unhelpful and doesn't happen frequently to have eating disorder patients within a general psych population. They are, I think, inpatient like, in a hospital can go to like a medical but even then there are very specific and I think there's really only like a couple in the country, but there's a Cute out west, and then there is Walden and McLean out east, where they have inpatient units specifically for that. Because I think it's so important for staff to be trained in a very specific way. [25:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did think some of the stuff they portrayed, like not giving you your clothes until you eat doesn't happen. Other stuff, though, that they portrayed, like her exercising all the time on the unit, super accurate. And that's one of the things that the staff get trained in is like, being able to pick up these subtle ways of exercising in an attempt to burn calories and things like that. [25:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, a lot of patients will share that if they are admitted into a general hospital and they do have primary ed, it's often like the worst time, which, again, is probably for many different reasons. One, they're so medically compromised. Two, this is like the beginning of the long road of often. Then maybe you're switching to an inpatient ed unit and then residential and then PHP and then IOP. There is some controversy in the community with the ethics around tube feeding. There's even more controversy within it if you are being tubed placing and pulling same day or for each meal to get you off the tube, they want you to eat, and typically you're tubed if you're really malnourished or if you're refusing. Again, I don't think they can make you without a court order, but they'll do that if you're refusing. [26:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I think that gets really tricky. And it's probably when they call for a capacity evaluation where a psychiatrist I would believe a medical doctor could do it too. Medical doctor being like internal medicine, someone who's not a psychiatrist, but still a physician would evaluate, does this patient have the capacity to refuse meals when they're this malnourished? Or is that malnourishment causing impaired cognitive what is the ethical decision of like can you make this decision knowing it's going to hasten your death or not? I mean, that's probably a huge ethical. [27:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And there was a case and the judge sided with the patient and the patient went on to die. They went into hospice. Just it's really horrible. Do not recommend. But these places are there for you because you are that know, you really need support. So anyway, Janet should be, I think, in a more specialized unit where she's getting meal coaching other than just being threatened or withholding other things. [27:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [27:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think there were some eating disorder places around Renfrew's really old. They started in Philadelphia. They're all over now, but they're like the oldest big center for eating disorder. So if they were open then she should have been there. I think she probably would have gotten better care and more specialized care. So she should transfer if it opens soon. [28:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, and I'm just thinking too, back in that time, in the mid sixty s, I feel like a lot of the treatment was still very psychoanalytic. Right. So I don't know how much about. [28:16] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Your mother, let's lie down and talk about your mom. [28:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: And as a psychodynamic, psychotherapist I so fully believe in, there's huge connections cases in certain instances. Right. [28:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But we need meal coaching, we need behavioral treatment, which often is DBT, and we absolutely need but I will say, too, like at that level of care, it's really hard, I think, when you're also that malnourished to exactly do that. [28:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what I was going to say. Right. Like at the right time for the right patients. I feel like back then and again, I don't know, I wasn't alive in the 60s, but I feel like that's what everyone got. [28:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [28:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: And maybe that was like all we really had back then. We didn't really have the antipsychotics and stuff were just starting to come out. Maybe like CBT, DBT, these things, I don't think they were really out there yet. So yeah, I would imagine Janet was getting substandard care based on today's standards. And then it's like, well, I think Susannah was getting really good care based on today's standards. The difference in the comparison is really interesting. [29:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wanted to just if you haven't listened yet, check out our episode on Shutter Island. Because that was in, I think, around the same late fifty s the mid to early 50s. So that's not that far off from this movie. Maybe, though, ten years can make a difference. However, I think this is also, again, like a private institution versus a forensic state forensic unit. Right. [29:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you're right, it's really interesting to sort of watch both of those and kind of compare and contrast them and they do get some of the historical points accurate. And I feel like back in the 60s, again, that was when a lot of these hospitals were being shut down in an effort to have people be treated in the community. Which again, is like, great, let's do it. But the money to actually do it, guys. [30:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, totally. That's a huge problem. Anyway, there was a lot of other things wrong, like the orderly having oh. [30:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: My God, sexual relations. Even like them allowing her to make out or have sex with her boyfriend. No, you're not letting when people come to visit you, you don't just get to go behind closed doors and have a conjugal visit. [30:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like a therapy session or you're playing a game. It's out in the open visiting time. [30:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's boundaries, especially for a patient like her. And how did the girls keep escaping and going to the basement all the time? There's people on staff overnight. The room check thing was accurate. You do come in and do checks at first, they are every 15 minutes. So I think that's really disruptive to your sleep. And we know how important sleep is to your mental health. [30:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I've done checks. I only had to do one, thank goodness, because I'm not an overnighter gal. But when I worked at a residential, I did get mandated to stay once overnight. And having to do ten minute checks on a new patient, because typically when they're new, they're on the highest level of watch. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [31:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So it just sucks, a, because I wasn't used to being on night shift, but yeah, it's really hard to do as an employee or as a mental health professional. And then also, I'm sure the patient didn't love it either, right. [31:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because they're not just like opening the door to see if you're there. They have to make sure you're safe. Right. So if you're turned and facing the wall and sleeping, they have to shine the light in your eye, make sure not only are you breathing, but you're not hoarding some sort of weapon or things like that. So that actually was accurate. But then I was like, if they're doing the checks, there's no one in the hallways. That's just not how it happens. I don't think they would have been able to escape. I thought this scene with them all reading their files was fascinating. And to me, it kind of reminds me of like, nowadays when patients have access to their notes and stuff like that, and how that is interesting and I think different for someone reading their note from their primary care annual physical and their therapy work. Right. What were your thoughts about all that? [32:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think we talked about this in another episode, but I'm going to bring it up again. You're supposed to write your note like there's a lawyer on one shoulder and the patient on the other. So I think though, with more electronic medical records and with more open chart things like we have my chart here, maybe that's international, maybe it's national. It's basically where you can log in, send a message to your provider, look at your lab work, et cetera, schedule appointments, also see the notes. And so there are some questions around is it helpful or not for that to be in the mental health world? And is there like a level of notes that should be shared versus not what's helpful? [32:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: What do you think? [32:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think that patients should absolutely have access to treatment plans. I think that having access to all of your notes all the time, reading them on your own, is unhelpful. I totally agree. I think if you need to see the notes, you should be going over them with the provider so you can explain things. So if there's any questions or context, they can ask questions and not feel any kind. It shouldn't be negative. And they might be like, oh, well, what is that? What did that mean? And then you're there to explain exactly what that meant. [33:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I think, though, kind of like these women reading their files, it can be jarring. I don't think I'd want to read my psychological assessment of myself by myself. I feel like that's like really I. [33:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think it's more damaging it can be. [33:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think it can really damage the therapeutic alliance with your provider too, because not everything you're observing the patient's going to see and that's going to. [33:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Be it might not be ready to see. [33:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [33:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'll just say too, just for clarity, we're not talking **** about you in your notes, we're writing things from our perspective, from our professional perspective of what's happening. Sometimes maybe we're wrong too, interpreted something wrong. So it's really for documenting purposes, it's for billing. [34:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [34:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And sometimes we might not do it perfectly. So I think that's I would lead. [34:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: With that preference and I think with, again, notes and stuff like that being more and more open, I feel like they've just become less and less helpful. I guess you leave so much out and you just have to keep it in your head, right, that it's kind of unfortunate. I do find myself being like, well, if this person ever read this, how would they feel about this? And I do think that can go both ways. On the one hand, I think it can help you remain not compassionate, but help you stay in a neutral space. And a lot of times be mindful of your own unconscious biases and be like, well, why am I putting this word in? Does it really need to be there or not? And on the negative side, it can make you withhold things that really should be there, but you're worried about if they read it before they're ready, how is that going to affect them? How will that affect our therapeutic alliance and their future treatment? And is that worth it? [35:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right? [35:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is that potential negative effect worth it? It's real tricky. [35:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It is. No, I totally agree. It's nuanced. I think most providers feel the same way we do. [35:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did think how interesting that this film, filmed decades ago, based on a time even further in the past, is still, like, on the pulse with something really active, like, in the mental health field presently. And I also thought it amazingly depicted how mental health providers really struggle to tell people their directly. It seems like none of these girls really knew, what am I here for? What am I being treated for? Some of them did. They were like, oh, Elisa, you're a sociopath. We all know know. But, like, Susanna being like, borderline personality disorder? What is that? [36:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then when she's in her family therapy session, she's like, what is that? And apparently the doctor's been telling her parents, but not her. [36:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And she is an adult. This isn't like a 14 year old. And especially, I don't know about you, Portia, but I feel like in the mental health field, we tiptoe around this diagnosis, and so we're so hesitant to talk about it and share it with people. And why do you think that is? [36:44] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think because societally, there are negative connotations with it. And I think that at least that's my discomfort sometimes. Versus I think the more we accurately diagnose people who have Borderline and talk about it, the better care they will get, because then we know the treatment plan and they can get better. We have more than people to participate in studies, there's more research. I think we really should be accurately diagnosing the disorder and also teaching clients about it and giving them education is, like, best practice. But I think in our society, like, Bpd has a lot of negative even I think it's even, like, joked about, you're crazy, and it's females. Obviously, we're careful of that, but I think ultimately, it does more damage, not sharing or being, for sure, hesitant. But again, diagnosing someone with a personality disorder does not happen immediately. One assessment, you're getting there with tons of data and information, and over time, it's like, you're probably there, right? [37:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Let's just call it what it is, right? But yeah, I think that reminds me of, like, early on in the movie. I think it's in this scene when she's reading her file and she sees a cluster of diagnoses at the beginning. I can't remember what they were. Do you remember what they were. Yeah, they're not accurate today anymore. We call them different things now. [38:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So it says Psychoneurotic Depressive Reaction, personality Pattern Disturbance resistant, mixed type, and then undifferentiated schizophrenia. [38:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Those were yeah. And then all of a sudden, at the bottom, it's like, final diagnosis borderline Personality disorder. So can you imagine? Again, it's like, okay, she's reading all these words. Like, even as a psychiatrist, I don't understand what those early diagnosis mean because we don't use them anymore. They're a lot of big words that are confusing. So it's really hard for her to make sense of, like, what does that mean? And she goes and grabs it, looks like a DSM or something, and starts reading about it and is, like, all up in arms. And I just think, what a sad way for her to find out and then to also hear it in the family therapy where her parents know before she knows, but we're all keeping it. [38:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Quiet, like talk about it. [38:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think I loved when she said borderline of what? Like, what does that mean? And, you know, the way I was taught to think about it and where I think the phrase comes from. And again, I will say I don't love that we call certain things personality disorders. I feel like even that phrase is really stigmatizing. I don't know of a better one, though. [39:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So much of we find in patients who have borderline personality disorder, there typically is some sort of attachment trauma. [39:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [39:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I would love for there to be a more specific trauma diagnosis other than PTSD or complex PTSD that talks more about attachment and how that then impacts relationships. I think that would be so much more helpful, better fit for people to understand. [39:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, 100%. And I think when we use the word borderline, I believe where it came from is, again, harkening back to those psychoanalytic days, which we see in this movie of thinking about what are the defense mechanisms different people with different illnesses tend to use to live with and cope with their illness. And when we think of people in broad strokes, we think of people falling into what we call, like, the neurotic realm of personality development. These are people with, like, anxiety disorders, OCD, things like that, eating disorders. And then we think on the other end of the spectrum are people with psychotic disorders who use different types of defense mechanisms that are disconnected from reality, whereas people with neurotic disorders are maybe like uber connected to reality or a little too in their head. Borderline falls in the middle, where you sort of display some neurotic defense mechanisms and some psychotic defense mechanisms that doesn't make sense to the average person. And even as I'm trying to explain it, it's really confusing. But these are patients she did say in the movie, which was accurate, with an unstable sense of self, unstable moods, like a lot of mood swings again, some safety concerns in the most severe cases, which we see with her right at the beginning. But, again, it's like what I also loved about this movie was when they captured her at this age because some of these personality traits, again, not the safety concerns, like, we'll put that over here on the side. But some of the other stuff, the big mood swings, the idealization devaluation, the splitting that is normal in development from when you're very young, like, born to as you're growing up into adolescence. And then as your brain matures and you mature, you're able to sort of hold on to good and bad feelings and thoughts simultaneously. But that takes time. It does. And so a lot of people are also really hesitant to make this diagnosis, I hope, in a teenager or young adult, until you really see these traits and these issues sort of being persistent and present across all different facets of someone's life and over a long period of time. Otherwise, it does raise the question of is this just quote, unquote, like normal adolescent angst, like the suicide attempt? No, but some of her questions to Dr. Wick, like, well, how many partners is promiscuous? And what is it for a man, like, totally trapped, right? [42:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And for the time, just thinking of being in the think thinking of Susannah and then her mom, I would say probably very different expectations for how to behave. They talk the Vietnam War. There's a draft going on. So I think this is also just like, a very culturally changing time for so many behaviors might seem so unsafe besides the safety safety issues, like the promiscuity that they keep talking about to even the doctors, right? Because they're of that other generation as well, that maybe is having just more of that judgment or thinking it's more of a behavior than her. Just like right in the 60s as a young adult, like, expressing herself and her sexuality, right? [43:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then it's like, well, yeah, and having sex with an older man who's married. Again, I felt like there was so much almost blame put on her. But it's like, what about him? Right? [43:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The mom are there at the ice cream store for that scene, and that wife and daughter come in, and Susanna susanna's trying to kind of hide herself initially. And then the mom sees her, comes over and is like, It's her fault. And it's also like, okay, but of course, right, like, you're so you're not blaming the adult in the situation, your husband, who's and, you know, she's single, she's young. Of course it's her fault, right? [43:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's all these assumptions and a lot of blame on her. But it's like, what about him? And taking advantage of a younger girl. And again, not saying that there aren't cases where maybe the younger girl is more of the instigator, I guess you could say. But still, I was like, I see her point here. [43:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, and then he was continuing to want to follow up, and she remember at the beginning like, no. And kind of shuts the door on him. So even that felt like it was a little bit more on him, or else it was going to be more on him. But at the ice cream scene, I do think that that is when Susanna does kind of or Lisa's actions to kind of save Susanna is where Susanna does really align with her, and that's how that then, you know, then Lisa gets her trust on her. [44:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think Lisa, with her sociopathic traits, can sniff out who's vulnerable. And I do think people with Bpd are vulnerable to attracting toxicity or finding themselves in these toxic relationships. Like, hearkening back to Tanya from White Lotus. As we're talking now, I'm wondering if that suicide attempt was somehow connected to that relationship with that man. Like if in some way she felt rejected and then attempted suicide. And if somehow, maybe the doctors knew that and we didn't quite hear that as a viewer. But that, to me would give more of more evidence for a true Bpd type of diagnosis where really the core inner wound and fear is related to attachment and feelings of abandonment or rejection are really hard to navigate, I think. As we wrap up, I wanted to just ask you, do you think Lisa would have actually been crying at the end? I did think her and the four point restraints were those are what restraints look like. Even these days, restraining someone is like the soul crushing thing that you have to do sometimes as a psychiatrist on inpatient units like this, when there's a real safety issue happening, we try to do it in the least restrictive way as possible. You do see another character earlier in the movie in a straitjacket. We really don't use those anymore, but what you saw depicted is what strait jackets looked like, and they were used back then. Do you think Lisa would have cried with Susanna's departure? [45:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: If the tears were real, they would. [45:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Have to be about she's. [46:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [46:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't think she's feeling sad to lose her friend. I think she's being manipulative. The tears are real about her to make Susanna feel bad for saying all those things. I think that is what it is. But I don't think a true sociopath is capable of having tears or really know if someone's coming or going. Right. [46:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I also think, just like to add to Lisa is that the reason that we wanted to deinstitutionalize people is because you can become institutionalized, where you get used to living in a state like that, which I would also say you're around trauma a lot, and chaos. It's scary setting things. So I think that also, after eight years, I would imagine changes someone, and. [46:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: You become dependent on the institution. [46:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, why she's there, sure. But for her to be there for eight years, I think also must impact her everything. So I'm just curious, even just thinking about what has that done to her? That's why we like to keep people in the communities, in their communities. It is what's best when there are enough resources. So I think that's also just something to think about, like, how have the eight years been there for her, impacted her? [47:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's kind of like what we see when people are in the criminal justice system for a long time, then they get released and they reoffend and come back. Sometimes they don't know how to survive anymore, like, outside of an institution like that. [47:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All right, well, thanks for joining us today. We hope that you enjoyed today's episode. If you did, please feel free to rate the episode with five stars and then check us out on Instagram at Analyze Scripts and TikTok at Analyze Scripts podcast. 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In a very special episode of Film Stories, Simon is joined by the co-writer and director of the latest – and last – Indiana Jones film, James Mangold.The pair spend some time chatting about Indiana Jones & The Dial Of Destiny, and also explore parts of the making of Cop Land and Heavy. There's chat about Le Mans '66 and Brummie accents, before a chunter too about Mangold's hugely underappreciated film, Girl, Interrupted.Hope you enjoy the conversation. As this podcast episode is being released, Indiana Jones & The Dial Of Destiny is playing in cinemas around the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today we are joined by our spiritual mother Candace Bushnell for an intimate conversation about being Carrie Bradshaw, the origins of Sex and the City, her IRL date with John Corbett, the heyday of New York nightlife, her new one-woman show, and more! Follow Candace on InstagramSee Is There Still Sex in the City? at Cafe Carlyle 

In January of 2006, a 24-year-old woman was last seen leaving work on a Monday evening. She was home all night, and it even appeared as if she had woken up the next morning and gotten ready for work. But when she never made it in to work that day, and wasn't answering her phone, her family and boyfriend grew concerned. When investigators located her car parked down the street, they saw an unknown person on surveillance footage emerging from the car and walking away. This is the story of Jennifer Kesse. JENNIFER'S GOFUNDME BONUS EPISODES Apple Subscriptions: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-west-true-crime/id1448151398 Patreon: patreon.com/goingwestpodcast CASE SOURCES 1. Jennifer's website: http://jenniferkesse.com/ 2. GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/kasmv-help-us-find-jennifer-kesse 3. Stories of the Unsolved: https://storiesoftheunsolved.com/2022/01/20/the-disappearance-of-jennifer-kesse/#:~:text=EARLY%20LIFE%3A&text=She%20was%20the%20oldest%20of,with%20a%20thirst%20for%20knowledge. 4. Click Orlando: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/24/we-have-the-best-opportunity-to-find-jennifer-kesse-family-says-in-new-message/ 5. The Cinemaholic: https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-jennifer-kesses-boyfriend-now/ 6. Disappeared: https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Interrupted/dp/B091XXHL94/ref=atv_pr_sw_sc?sprefix=jennifer+kesse%2Caps%2C147&keywords=jennifer+kesse&crid=68F5XNSRC7XX&qid=1678488917&sr=8-1 7. Click Orlando: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2006/09/27/playing-cards-in-jails-to-feature-missing-fla-woman/ 8. ABC 7: https://www.mysuncoast.com/2019/11/11/nothing-found-lake-despite-new-tip-about-jennifer-kesses-disappearance/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The second part of Julian and Matthew's long look at the 1999 film Teal Swan was reportedly obsessed with as a teen. Girl, Interrupted is a freewheeling adaptation of a 1993 memoir by Susanna Kaysen about the 18 months she spent undergoing treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder in a Massachusetts psychiatric facility in the late 1960s. This episode 8 of the Swan Song Series.This study is provoked by a memory recounted by Swan's childhood friend, Diana Hansen Ribera, that Swan identified with the character of Lisa Rowe in the film. Angelina Jolie won an Oscar for her searing performance of Rowe, a sociopath. In this second episode, we explore several characters that Swan may have (and may yet) identify with, discuss the awkwardness of portraying mental health narratives on the big screen, and what it would really take for such an intense film to be digestible for typical teenagers. Matthew ends with a meditation on immersive/claustrophobic media—which Swan goes on to master—compared with the relief of developing a meta-view capable of inhabiting many stories, as opposed to imitating one.Show NotesSENECA THE YOUNGER, HERCULES FURENS - Theoi Classical Texts LibraryHercules (Seneca)Girl, Interrupted — Susanna Kaysen1607: Growing up with Teal Swan - Diana Hansen RiberaMad, Bad, and Sad: Women and the Mind Doctors by Lisa AppignanesiBrittany Murphy: Inside Her Sudden Death at 32 That Still Confounds Hollywood-- -- --Support us on PatreonPre-order Conspirituality: How New Age Conspiracy Theories Became a Health Threat: America | Canada Follow us on Instagram | Twitter: Derek | Matthew | JulianOriginal music by EarthRise SoundSystem

Julian and Matthew take a long look at the 1999 film Teal Swan was reportedly obsessed with as a teen. Girl, Interrupted is a bold adaptation of a 1993 memoir by the writer Susanna Kaysen about the 18 months she spent undergoing treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder in a Massachusetts psychiatric facility in the late 1960s. This is episode 7 of the Swan Song Series.This study is provoked by a memory recounted by Swan's childhood friend, Diana Hansen Ribera, that Swan identified with the character of Lisa Rowe in the film. Angelina Jolie won an Oscar for her searing performance of Rowe, a sociopath. Show NotesGirl, Interrupted — Susanna Kaysen1607: Growing up with Teal Swan - Diana Hansen RiberaMad, Bad, and Sad: Women and the Mind Doctors by Lisa Appignanesi | GoodreadsBrittany Murphy: Inside Her Sudden Death at 32 That Still Confounds HollywoodGirl, Interrupted at her Music. Vermeer. 1660.It's the painting from whose frame a girl looks out, ignoring her beefy music teacher, whose proprietary hand rests on her chair. The light is muted, winter light, but her face is bright. I looked into her brown eyes and I recoiled. She was warning me of something—she had looked up from her work to warn me. Her mouth was slightly open, as if she had just drawn a breath in order to say to me, “Don't!” I moved backward, trying to get beyond the range of her urgency. But her urgency filled the corridor. “Wait,” she was saying, “wait! Don't go!” — Susanna Kaysen, Girl, Interrupted-- -- --Support us on PatreonPre-order our bookFollow us on Instagram | Twitter: Derek | Matthew | JulianOriginal music by EarthRise SoundSystem

Thank you for listening to another episode of DWP! Julia returns to discuss some very dark messaging within The Wizard of Oz and a few other films. check out these movies in your free time and don't give me that "movies steal your loosh bullshit" so does this podcast! Girl Interrupted, The Wizard of Oz, Return to Oz, The Wiz, Eyes Wide Shut, The Shining, Oh Brother Where Art Thou, Poltergeist, Clueless, Hocus Pocus I & II. MORE LISTED IN THE SHOW. 

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The second part of Julian and Matthew's long look at the 1999 film Teal Swan was reportedly obsessed with as a teen. Girl, Interrupted is a freewheeling adaptation of a 1993 memoir by Susanna Kaysen about the 18 months she spent undergoing treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder in a Massachusetts psychiatric facility in the late 1960s. This study is provoked by a memory recounted by Swan's childhood friend, Diana Hansen Ribera, that Swan identified with the character of Lisa Rowe in the film. Angelina Jolie won an Oscar for her searing performance of Rowe, a sociopath. In this second episode, we explore several characters that Swan may have (and may yet) identify with, discuss the awkwardness of portraying mental health narratives on the big screen, and what it would really take for such an intense film to be digestible for typical teenagers. Matthew ends with a meditation on immersive/claustrophobic media—which Swan goes on to master—compared with the relief of developing a meta-view capable of inhabiting many stories, as opposed to imitating one.SENECA THE YOUNGER, HERCULES FURENS - Theoi Classical Texts Library Hercules (Seneca) - Wikipedia Girl, Interrupted — Susanna Kaysen1607: Growing up with Teal Swan - Diana Hansen RiberaMad, Bad, and Sad: Women and the Mind Doctors by Lisa Appignanesi | GoodreadsBrittany Murphy: Inside Her Sudden Death at 32 That Still Confounds Hollywood-- -- --Stay in touch with us on Twitter: @derekberes @julianmwalker @matthewremskiOn Instagram: @conspiripodAll original music by EarthRise SoundSystem

Julian and Matthew take a long look at the 1999 film Teal Swan was reportedly obsessed with as a teen. Girl, Interrupted is a bold adaptation of a 1993 memoir by the writer Susanna Kaysen about the 18 months she spent undergoing treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder in a Massachusetts psychiatric facility in the late 1960s. This study is provoked by a memory recounted by Swan's childhood friend, Diana Hansen Ribera, that Swan identified with the character of Lisa Rowe in the film. Angelina Jolie won an Oscar for her searing performance of Rowe, a sociopath. Girl, Interrupted — Susanna Kaysen1607: Growing up with Teal Swan - Diana Hansen RiberaMad, Bad, and Sad: Women and the Mind Doctors by Lisa Appignanesi | GoodreadsBrittany Murphy: Inside Her Sudden Death at 32 That Still Confounds Hollywood

Days after recent graduate Jennifer Kesse goes missing, her car is found abandoned near her home. Police search miles of terrain and interrogate dozens of suspects, yet a decade later her disappearance remains one of Florida's most baffling crimes. CHECK OUT OUR MERCH STORE!! Come get your DB T-shirts, Fry Thy Neighbor sweatshirts and so much more!! COME TO OBSESSED FEST!! It's the first-ever OBSESSED NETWORK FAMILY WEEKEND! It's going to be a weekend full of live shows--OWD Friday night, TCO Saturday night (and two non-Obsessed Network live shows as well!), meet & greets, KARAOKE!, meetups, panel chats AND. ONE. INSANE. DRAG. BRUNCH!!! It's all happening at the Hyatt Regency in Columbus, Ohio from September 30 - October 2nd. TICKETS ARE ALMOST GONE!! GET YOUR TICKET HERE!! LOOKING FOR MORE OWD? JOIN OUR PATREON! At the $5 level you get 3 FULL BONUS EPISODES PER MONTH! Right now there are over 50 full ad-free bonus episode to download and binge right this second! Including our coverage of "Pink Collar Crimes", "Fear Thy Neighbor," "Who The Bleep Did I Marry," "See No Evil", "Evil Lives Here", "Snapped", and