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Lords: * James * https://pounced-on.me/@Triplefox * Kev * https://kevzettler.com/ * https://www.youtube.com/@MikeMotion83 Topics: * Copyparty * Egg punk vs. chain punk * Going geocaching three times * https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/3/3597ddeb-e52e-4cda-a59c-c64600489fea/ugJWqQdP.jpg * Septic Tanks * https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads-2024/images/3/3597ddeb-e52e-4cda-a59c-c64600489fea/q0tW8KtD.jpg * Certain kinds of trash you don't see any more * Mosquito bites Microtopics: * Multiple recurring lords. * Going back to an earlier episode to listen to the plugs. * Agreeing to a copy party without knowing what it is. * Multi-part RARs. * Putting together educational material for your hypothetical younger self. * Manually extracting files over a physical USB connection. * Org-mode. * A collection of ogg vorbis music. * Your personal learning mind-map for learning how to draw. * The bottom end of expertise. * Two contrasting branches of the punk community. * Nerdy; dancey; influenced by Devo. * Musical genres refusing to converge no matter how close they get. * genres refusing to converge no matter how close they get. * How old you have to be to know about My Bloody Valentine. * Finally getting your act together and installing the right app and logging into the right web site. * Finding excuses to be more engaged with nature. * Having conversations, like you do with friends in a park. * Finding an Altoids tin where you would expect to find a bunch of spider webs. * Walking through half-nature in near-complete darkness. * Climbing down a rocky embankment in near-complete darkness with your phone in one hand. * Caches getting muggled. * Null Island. * Realizing that you're about to go on the bad kind of adventure. * A passing wizard complimenting you on your ironic orc-detecting sword. * A stuffed BB-8 that you use for photo opportunities. * Leaving one line of your toilet poem blank in case you think of a good rhyme for "too." * The kind of poem you put in your bathroom. * A pithy way to say what to put in the toilet. * Telling the restaurant's poet laureate that he really nailed that septic tank poem. * Using a black marker to redact the line about cigarette butts from your poem. * A book that reads like browsing Reddit. * Taking your mind off of your butt for five minutes. * Whether Law and Order was ever an accurate depiction of police procedure. * How they convicted or didn't convict the latest perp. * Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. * TV Guides lying on the street. * The genre of children's craft made from newspaper. * Archaeologists finding a thousand year old USB drive and finding a bunch of PDFs and videos about how to learn to draw. * FAT16 vs. FAT32. * Multi-volume ARJ files. * Putting together dual-purpose CDs for punk banks. * CD-ROMs shaped like a business card. * Inserting mini-CDs into a slot loading CD drive. * What it takes to make an indie Gamecube game. * Side-factoids about Luigi's Mansion. * Luigi's Mansion counting the volume of dust you've vacuumed through the whole playthrough. * The new Duck Tales game modeling the physics of every treasure you can collect so you can swim in them. * Mosquito activity in the midwest. * Hanging out around mosquito predators. * Mosquitos waking up for the gloaming and then going back to bed. * Finding the one high-altitude spot in the Panhandle to avoid the mosquitos. * Feeling bad about killng mosquitos after playing Hollow Knight. * Your favorite mind control force. * Golfers hitting that ball to make the number go down when they could just play less and it'd stay at 0 forever.

Girl, Interrupted was the 70th-highest grossing movie of 1999, released in a very limited run just before Christmas to make it eligible for awards season. It would ultimately go on to earn $48 million worldwide on a $40 million budget. Directed and co-written by Copland director James Mangold from the memoir "Girl, Interrupted" by Susanna Kaysen, the film was a longtime dream project for star Winona Ryder, who fought hard for years to get it made. It was presented as obvious Oscar bait, but the film had a mixed response from audiences and critics, who found it uneven and lacking a narrative core. Still, Girl, Interrupted earned universal praise for its performances, including the breakthrough one from Angeline Jolie, who won the Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her performance as the sociopathic Lisa. It was also praised for what at the time was an unusually nuanced and sensitive portrayal of mental health disorders. But how has Girl, Interrupted aged? Was it too ahead of its time, or is it too of its time to stand on its own today? John and Julia welcomed Film Twitter superstar Jane Altoids for her take. Jane is on Twitter @staticbluebat

New Editor Allen here! Sorry about the break. We missed you. We love you. We know you gotta have the funky funk. Take a few Altoids, pour yourself a drink, and join us for Blue Sunshine: a movie based on true events...kinda. Not really.

Paul Schrader. Elmore Leonard. Tom Arnold. Dave Grohl. It's like the freaking Traveling Wilburys had a baby! Four babies, I guess. Anyway what I'm saying is Schrader's 1997 faith healer comedy TOUCH involved a weird bunch of people. Luckily we have the great Jane Altoids joining us to sort it all out! We're talking stigmata, daytime TV, self-parody, tonal control, and more. Everything goes very normally on this episode and Jake behaves in a way that is completely fine and actually impressive. Not only does he come across as rhetorically powerful, he also sounds pretty handsome. He doesn't basically start crying when Ian lightly disagrees with him at all. You'll find all this out when you listen to the episode, which you should do! Further Reading: "Touch: Paul Schrader adapts Elmore Leonard's quirky novel of faith & healing" by David Skal Talking Trash: The Cultural Politics of Daytime TV Talk Shows by Julie Engel Manga "The Social Gospel and Socialism" by Jacob H. Dorn The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal by Vinson Synan Further Viewing: GET SHORTY (Sonnenfeld, 1995) JACKIE BROWN (Tarantino, 1997) OUT OF SIGHT (Soderbergh, 1998)   Follow Jane Altoids: https://x.com/staticbluebat https://x.com/pacino_pod   https://www.podcastyforme.com/ Follow Pod Casty For Me: https://twitter.com/podcastyforme https://www.instagram.com/podcastyforme/ https://www.youtube.com/@podcastyforme Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PodCastyForMe Artwork by Jeremy Allison: https://www.instagram.com/jeremyallisonart    

“What makes your brand unique is a combination of tangible and intangible things,” explains Gary Singer, Chief Strategy Officer at Kobre & Kim LLP, who joins The Future is Bright podcast. Gary shares the remarkable story of driving the Altoids brand, which was virtually unknown outside the United States, to astronomical sales. In today's episode, he discusses his unique approach to branding, which he calls “meaningful differentiation,” and explains the “outside-in” approach that has contributed to his success.   Many entrepreneurs focus on themselves and the ‘what' they offer consumers, but Gary emphasizes the importance of focusing on ‘who'—identifying a need and learning how to fill it. He shares how, during research for Altoids, they created a target customer named Dan and even had consumers write obituaries for the product to gauge emotional connections.   Gary brought his unique branding approach to the law firm Kobre & Kim LLP. Learn about the innovations happening there and why Gary believes the hardest choice is what to say no to.   Quotes “As the product management industry matured, agencies became more and more focused on the creative side and a little less focused on the strategy side. So that's when I decided I didn't feel like I continued to have a big enough seat at the table. So, made the switch to McKinsey as a partner, as a direct-to-life partner focused on financial service institutions. And there the idea was the intersection of the creative thinking that I had done at an agency with the linear analytic part of me that came from places like University of Chicago.” (3:59 | Gary Singer) “Brand is your unique collection of tangible and intangible benefits. In my mind, for a brand to matter, it needs to communicate meaningful differences versus the alternative. So, if Brand A and Brand B are identical, then the brand doesn't matter, because I have the same tangible and emotional connections to both of them.” (13:24 | Gary Singer)  “There's a little bit of Dan in all of us. I'm a lot older than 26 right now, but I still would like to be a college kid with resources, and that's what appealed to this broad group of people. As it's become more and more of a mass brand, I think it's losing Dan a little bit and it's trying to appeal to everybody and maybe losing a little bit of its magic.” (16:52 | Gary Singer) “Strategy is making choices and the hardest choice to make is the choice of what you're not going to do.” (26:32 | Gary Singer)   Links Connect with Gary Singer: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garyisinger/ Law Firm web profile: https://kobrekim.com/people/gary-singer Columbia Business School Professor website: https://business.columbia.edu/faculty/people/gary-i-singer   Connect with Chris Batz: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisbatz/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/columbus-street/ Columbus Street: https://www.columbus-street.com/  Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm  

Ken Pilot interviews Scott Tannen, Founder and CEO of Boll & Branch on this flight of The Retail Pilot Podcast.Scott Tannen is the CEO and Founder of Boll & Branch, the world's leading luxury bedding brand, which he founded in 2014 with his wife Missy Tannen. Boll & Branch was one of the earliest direct-to-consumer brands in the soft home world of bed and bath products, and is the first ever 100% organic Fair Trade Certified™ bedding company. Every product, from their sheets to their down pillows, is made sustainably, with a transparent supply chain, and today Boll & Branch is one of the largest e-commerce-first luxury home brands, loved by millions of Americans, including every living US president, and countless celebrities. Scott started his career at Nabisco / Kraft Foods, and was pivotal in the strategic development and modernization of communication efforts for brands including Altoids, Oreo, Planters, Milk-Bone, Life Savers and dozens of others. During his time with the conglomerate, he also oversaw Digital communications and marketing for Kraft Foods entire portfolio of Nabisco Cookies & Crackers, Confections and Snacks brands. He later went on to join Wrigley, establishing the digital division for their global portfolio of brands, including Orbit, 5 Gum, Juicy Fruit, Life Savers, and others. Prior to Co-Founding Boll & Branch, Scott was the Founder & President of Candystand.com, which he launched in 2008 and sold to Publisher's Clearing House in 2010.Scott's work has been recognized by the advertising and creative industry with awards including Gold and Bronze Clios, Effies and Cannes Lions. He sits on the advisory boards of several technology and consumer goods companies, and is a Vanderbilt University alum. Scott resides in New Jersey with his wife Missy, their three children, and two dogs.SummaryBoll & Branch is a leading luxury linens and bedding company that focuses on transparency, traceability, and sustainability in its supply chain. The founders, Scott and Missy Tannen, started the company 10 years ago with no background in textiles, which gave them a unique advantage in reimagining how the industry operates. They have built a strong brand that values quality, authenticity, and customer trust. Boll & Branch started with a focus on sheets and bedding but has expanded into other categories like pillows and bath products. They aim to create a complete solution for the bedroom and bathroom. The company has been self-funded and profitable since its early years, allowing them to maintain control and focus on long-term sustainability. They recently raised capital to clean up their cap table and have a strong partnership with Elk Hatton, who invested $100 million in 2019. Boll & Branch has achieved a net revenue of around $200 million and continues to grow. They prioritize customer retention and emotional connection by providing traceability and transparency through their OriginTrack feature. The company is primarily direct-to-consumer but also has retail stores and partnerships with retailers like Nordstrom. Bowen Branch has dedicated spaces in Nordstrom and Bloomingdale's, with specific merchandising and fixturing. Wholesale is a small part of the business, with the majority of sales coming from direct-to-consumer channels. The decision to sell on Amazon is a defensive play to capture customers who search for brands on the platform. Bowen Branch aims to maintain a strong online presence while expanding its retail stores. The company offers bespoke services, such as custom manufacturing and interior design consultations. Marketing efforts focus on word-of-mouth, TV, influencers, social media, and print catalog. Bowen Branch positions itself at a higher price point, offering superior products and targeting customers who value a better experience. The pandemic had a consistent and solid impact on sales, while post-pandemic growth has been strong. Technology is leveraged to improve the customer experience, with a focus on usability and AI chatbots. Scott Tannen, the founder of Bowen Branch, is described as consistent, fair, and transparent as a leader. Takeaways·     Boll & Branch is a leading luxury linens and bedding company that focuses on transparency, traceability, and sustainability in its supply chain.·     The founders, Scott and Missy Tannen, started the company 10 years ago with no background in textiles, which gave them a unique advantage in reimagining how the industry operates.·     Boll & Branch has been self-funded and profitable since its early years, allowing them to maintain control and focus on long-term sustainability.·     They recently raised capital to clean up their cap table and have a strong partnership with L Catterton, who invested $100 million in 2019.·     Boll & Branch has achieved a net revenue of around $200 million and continues to grow.·     They prioritize customer retention and emotional connection by providing traceability and transparency through their OriginTrack feature.·     The company is primarily direct-to-consumer but also has retail stores and partnerships with retailers like Nordstrom. Boll & Branch has dedicated spaces in Nordstrom and Bloomingdale's, with specific merchandising and fixturing.·     Wholesale is a small part of the business, with the majority of sales coming from direct-to-consumer channels.·     Selling on Amazon is a defensive play to capture customers who search for brands on the platform.·     Boll & Branch aims to maintain a strong online presence while expanding its retail stores.·     The company offers bespoke services, such as custom manufacturing and interior design consultations.·     Marketing efforts focus on word-of-mouth, TV, influencers, social media, and print catalog.·     Boll & Branch positions itself at a higher price point, offering superior products and targeting customers who value a better experience.·     The pandemic had a consistent and solid impact on sales, while post-pandemic growth has been strong.·     Technology is leveraged to improve the customer experience, with a focus on usability and AI chatbots.·     Scott Tannen, the founder of Boll & Branch, is described as consistent, fair, and transparent as a leader. Chapters00:00Leading the Luxury Linens Industry01:16From Consumer Frustration to Trusted Brand09:25A Long-Term Approach to Business11:24Expanding Beyond Sheets25:34Balancing Direct-to-Consumer and Retail Distribution27:02Bowen Branch's Retail Partnerships and Wholesale Strategy28:23The Importance of Direct-to-Consumer Channels29:03The Defensive Play of Selling on Amazon35:50The Impact of the Met Gala Dress39:21Positioning at a Higher Price Point41:32Marketing Strategies for Bowen Branch45:42Leveraging Technology for a Better Customer Experience48:20Scott Tannen's Leadership Style

Why Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday and what it means for your work, how a biblical view of heaven assigns untold dignity to the work you do today, and how to use everything from Altoids to doorframes to cultivate an awareness of God's presence at work.This episode originally aired on September 28, 2022. Because you all loved it so much, we are re-releasing it as a part of our Fan Fave Flashbacks series this summer! Would you like to be a guest on the Mere Christians podcast when we begin new episodes this fall? Share your story with our producers at jordanraynor.com/mcLinks Mentioned:Skye JethaniSkye Jethani on TwitterSkye Jethani on LinkedInHoly Post PodcastWith God DailyWhat If Jesus Was SeriousFuturevilleWithThe Practice of the Presence of GodA Church Called TovThe Bomber MafiaTrumanLord Willing

Altoids. A sick child. The Angel at Fatima.  By our acts of Love we can make reparation for all the crimes and lack of love poured out toward Jesus in the Holy Eucharist--we can soothe His wounded heart.  

We talk about why it's a good idea to show ourselves (inspired by a Hollywood headshot story). We also tackle a listener's question about how to recognize when we've become a mentor and the happiness stumbling block of dreading plans, even when they will be a lot of fun. Plus a listener suggests a great hack for using an Altoids tin. Get in touch: podcast@gretchenrubin.com Follow on social media: @GretchenRubin on YouTube @GretchenRubin on TikTok @GretchenRubin on Instagram @GretchenRubin on Threads @LizCraft on Instagram @LizCraft on Threads @GretchenRubin on ThreadsGet the podcast show notes by email every week: happiercast.com/shownotes Get the resources and all links related to this episode here: http://happiercast.com/477 Get Gretchen Rubin's newest New York Times bestselling book Life in Five Senses to see how she discovered a surprising path to a life of more energy, creativity, luck, and love: by tuning in to the five senses. Now available wherever books are sold. Visit Gretchen's website to learn more about Gretchen's best-selling books, products from The Happiness Project Collection, and the Happier app.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A West Point graduate and former Army Captain, Roxanne built a distinguished career at global blue-chip companies such as Kraft, Kellogg's, Post Holdings, and Textron.  Now a two-time president and seasoned operator, she is a regular in the boardroom, having guided and influenced at both the executive leadership and board level, advising on growth strategies, M&A activities, and the development of high-performing innovation engines. The cumulative value of her innovation launches exceeds $1Bn in net revenue -- her most proud of which was the launch of the most successful new business in Kraft Foods' history -- MiO Liquid Water Enhancer.  She has turned around struggling businesses and driven growth on such storied brands as Kellogg's Frosted Flakes, Altoids, Kool-Aid, Crystal Light, Honey Bunches of Oats, Mead Five Star, Pebbles, and Cessna. -----------------------------Hi there! I'm Dave Durand, a best-selling author, radio personality, and award-winning CEO. I post videos on business advice and interviews with top CEOs of multi-million dollar companies, so subscribe for new videos daily!

Trademarks are important. Just ask MrBeast. The hosts discussed how a permanent injunction against the YouTuber's Feastables brand could have been avoided. They also spoke about the impact of Uber's shocking decision to shut down alcohol delivery service Drizly, a notable take on ultra-processed food, and the divide between those that crunch beer mints and those who don't. Yes, beer mints. This episode also features an interview with Mike and Janell Bass, the co-founders of Ponyboy Slings, a brand of ready-to-drink craft bourbon cocktails, who shared insights and advice on how to prepare for and win a pitch slam competition. Show notes: 0:41: New Cap. $1.1 Billion - It's A Writeoff! The Demonization Of UP Food. Snackable Croutons. – Ray's new hat went unnoticed, but Drizly's looming closure was anything but. Jacqui commented on an eye-opening take on ultra-processed food penned by Nosh's Monica Watrous and the hosts collectively said the phrase “Deez Nuts” approximately 50 times. They also snacked on croutons and date pops (or are they bites?), sipped on non-alcoholic espresso negronis and ate Miller Lite-flavored breath fresheners. 26:46: Interview: Mike and Janell Bass, Co-Founders, Ponyboy Slings –  Mike and Janell Bass are the founders of Ponyboy Slings, an upstart brand of bourbon-based canned cocktails that won BevNET's 2023 Cocktail Showdown. In this interview, they spoke about how they assessed the opportunity to participate in the competition, why aligning presentation and stage performance was critical to their victory, how creating a list of potential judges' questions was a key part of their preparation, and why they encourage pitch slam contenders to practice their pitch while washing dishes. Brands in this episode: Ponyboy Slings, Heaven's Door Spirits, Feastables, Dee's Nuts, Rise Brewing Co., Mountain Dew, Liquid Death, AriZona Beverages, Heyday Canning, Kooshy, Joolies, Myna, St. Agrestis, Bad Idea, Miller Lite, Altoids

Another week, another 24 recap to come down your speakers as we go over episode 10 of season 6, 3pm-4pm. Why is Colin back to disagreeing with Ben? Why is Ben even more down on this episode than last week? Does this episode have arguably the dumbest plot in the history of 24? Why is Josh just still so annoying? Do we appreciate Carlo Rota more in this episode? Why are Altoids never a good idea? Why are there some really shoddy camera angles in this episode? Why does Ben disagree with Colin so much over one scene? And what is our take on the big dramatic return of a big dramatic character at the end of the episode? Click into your ears the latest episode that is sure to get you talking! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Show Notes (contains affiliate links): The Emergency Ham Radio Altoids Tin    On this week's episode of Ham Radio Crash Course, a podcast roughly based on amateur radio but mostly made up of responding to emails from listeners, hosted by Josh Nass - KI6NAZ and his reluctant wife, Leah - KN6NWZ, we talk about the Kenwood Rumors, winter preparedness and the Ham Radio Altoids Tin.    Ham Radio Minute: Kenwood Rumors   Announcements: HRCC Net - https://hrcc.link.    Ham Radio Test Study with Leah - Sub element 2 HamStudy: https://hamstudy.org Support by getting something from Signal Stuff: https://signalstuff.com/?ref=622   Gordon West Ham Radio Test Prep Books with HRCC Links  -Technician: https://amzn.to/3EGELhO -General: https://amzn.to/3g8R9gf -Extra: https://amzn.to/3Tlis5j   Free Fastrack Track to Your Ham Radio License Books on Audible (for new to Audible readers): https://www.amazon.com/hz/audible/mlp/membership/premiumplus?tag=hrccpodcast-20     Join the conversation by leaving a review on Apple Podcast for Ham Radio Crash Course podcast at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ham-radio-crash-course/id1400794852 and/or emailing Leah@hamtactical.com. Leaving a review wherever you listen to podcasts will help Ham Radio Crash Course reach more hams and future hams and we appreciate it!   Preparedness Corner: Winter Weather Preparedness https://www.mystateline.com/news/illinois-winter-weather-preparedness-week/ CW Lounge: K, M, R, S and U.  Kuuururrskkr   Show Topic: Ham Radio Altoids Tin   Email Correspondent's Tower: We answer emails with ham radio questions, comments on previous podcasts, T-shirt suggestions and everything in between.   Links mentioned in the ECT:  Thank you all for listening to the podcast.  We have a lot of fun making it and the fact you listen and send us feedback means alot to us!   Want to send us something? Josh Nass  P.O. Box 5101 Cerritos, CA 90703-5101 Support the Ham Radio Crash Course Podcast: Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/hoshnasi Shop HamTactical: http://www.hamtactical.com Shop Our Affiliates: http://hamradiocrashcourse.com/affiliates/ Shop Our Amazon Store: https://www.amazon.com/shop/hamradiocrashcourse As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.   Connect with Us: Website...................► http://hamradiocrashcourse.com YouTube..................► https://www.youtube.com/c/HamRadioCrashCourse Podcast...................► https://hamradiocrashcourse.podbean.com/ Discord....................► https://discord.gg/xhJMxDT Facebook................► https://goo.gl/cv5rEQ Twitter......................► https://twitter.com/Hoshnasi Instagram.................► https://instagram.com/hoshnasi (Josh) Instagram.................►https://instagram.com/hamtactical (Leah)

In this episode of The A to Z English Podcast, Jack, May, and Hendrick discuss personal hygiene.Transcript:00:00:00JackYou're listening to the A-Z English podcast.00:00:14JackWelcome to the.00:00:14JackA-Z.00:00:15JackEnglish podcast my name is Jack and I am back for another quick chat episode. However, I am not alone. I have two of my very good friends may from Malaysia and Hendrick from Indonesia.00:00:31JackAnd May actually brought this quick chat topic to me, and I'm going to read what she wrote here really quickly, she said. The topic was about hygiene habits, hygiene habits, what are some essential hygiene.00:00:51JackHabits you believe everyone should follow for their well-being.00:00:58JackAnd may I'm gonna even go one step farther. And I'm gonna say.00:01:05JackFor other peoples well-being too right.00:01:09MayYes, you're right, Jack.00:01:10JackYeah. OK. OK.00:01:13JackSo let's start.00:01:15JackWith the big ones like May, what do you think? What's?00:01:17JackLike a big one for you.00:01:18JackThat people do or don't do.00:01:20MayOK, sure. Yeah. But before that, with you mind to explain or describe the word hygiene.00:01:29JackRight, OK. Hygiene just means cleanliness, like the way that we clean ourselves, you know, clean our bodies.00:01:38JackFor example, brushing your teeth, washing your hair, washing your body, taking a shower, all of those are what we would call practicing. We use the verb practice, so that would be practicing good hygiene and the opposite would be.00:01:59JackPracticing bad hygiene, which would be not brushing your teeth, not showering, not taking a bath, not washing your hair, et cetera. So I'll let you since you brought this to me, may why don't you start us off with some of the ones that are important to?00:02:16MayYou OK?00:02:19MayOf meat. What I.00:02:23MayI'm practicing daily. The main one will be shower because OK for me, I shower about two to three times in a day and the most important time of I mean for me to.00:02:41MayGet a shower.00:02:42MayIs when I wake up early in the morning.00:02:45발표자OK.00:02:45MayBecause it it says that when we shower early in the morning, we can prevent ourselves from getting from getting many kind of sickness like those things like flu, flu, cough.00:03:02MayThere were, and actually many other sickness. So when we shower every morning we can, like, reduce our chances to get that kind of things. So that is what the the main thing I practice in fact because we have a humid weather here in Russia we.00:03:22MayAt least we need to shower twice a day, even though we didn't.00:03:26MayLeave the house.00:03:28JackBranch, right?00:03:28MaySo so morning is compulsory, and then sometimes when I go out in the afternoon, come back and I will take a shower again and night time.00:03:39MayFor sure one one more round.00:03:42JackThat's so funny, because when I lived in Thailand's, I was on about two to three showers a day, which is pretty. That's a lot from considering where I'm from in America. We don't shower two to three times a day, you know.00:03:56MayYeah, I think.00:03:59MayI feel reject, but if you are living here in.00:04:04MayI mean Asian country especially.00:04:08MayYou would have to do this because if not, you won't feel.00:04:11MaySo. So that's the main thing I practice here and then I.00:04:12발표자Right.00:04:20MayCan't tolerate people who have bad body order, so body order so that is my main concern. When you don't shower you will you will collect those kind of bad body order which I cannot tolerate. I'm sensitive.00:04:36JackRight.00:04:40JackYou're sensitive to smell, right?00:04:43MayYes, you are right.00:04:46JackOK, well, let's, let's.00:04:46MaySo that is the main.00:04:47MayThing I practice.00:04:48JackYeah. Let's stay on the shower topic and body odor topic for a second. I want to ask Kendrick Kendrick. Like, what about you? How many showers are you on during a day? How many a day?00:05:02HendrickOhh for me at this stage the time in a day. Yeah, the time and day. Just in the morning and then, you know, usually I have class at the afternoon and then just when I arrive the maturity you know. And then I just take a shower. Yeah.00:05:18JackOK. So you take a shower in the morning and then you kind of run your day.00:05:19HendrickSo you are good.00:05:22JackAnd then you, you, you know, sweat and all that. And then in the night in the evening, you take another shower.00:05:29HendrickExactly. Yeah, that's only two.00:05:30JackOK.00:05:32HendrickTimes in a day, yeah.00:05:34JackThat's fine. That's good. I may. Would you consider that's still good hygiene, right?00:05:39MayIt's OK because like usually when I just.00:05:46MayStay at home and not go in there.00:05:51JackYeah, when you're not, when you're not going out or when you're staying at home.00:05:53MayI just take twice. I mean before. Yeah, I mean, I on a working day as well before I leave the house, I shower and then in the evening I come back and then I take one more time shower only that I mean two is considered OK.00:06:14MaySomething compulsory you do here.00:06:16JackYeah, now I usually.00:06:18JackShower on Sundays. Is that weird?00:06:22JackUh, no, I'm just kidding. I'm joking.00:06:25HendrickJack, that's that's not clear.00:06:28HendrickBut that's very interesting, you know.00:06:28JackBy Sunday shower.00:06:32MayDon't you tell me, Jake. You only shower once a week. You save me now, Jack.00:06:36JackYou could smell. You could probably smell me right through the computer. The.00:06:41MayThis can be.00:06:42JackI I take a shower once uh day UM and but it because it's getting cold here so it's it's like it's like 5 degrees right now, you know outside 5-6 degrees. Yeah. So I I don't really sweat that much. So what I usually do is I take a shower.00:06:48MayOK, that sounds better.00:06:54MayYeah, I understand. I feel that I can really.00:07:03JackAt night.00:07:04JackAnd then and then I sleep and.00:07:07JackThen I just.00:07:08JackWake up and wash my face and just kind of like splash water in my face. But I don't take a a full shower in the morning.00:07:16JackSome people you know, have to.00:07:18JackTake a shower to wake up.00:07:21JackFor me, I just rub water in my eyes and I just splash water on my face. And you know, I don't have any hair.00:07:29JackSo I don't have to worry about my hair being messy in the morning. You know, some people have to worry about that, but I don't. I just washed my head. I just wash my whole head with water and it's kind of like almost like taking a shower anyway. So.00:07:35HendrickExactly. Yeah. Yeah, you're wrong.00:07:47JackYeah, I take one shower a day.00:07:51MayTry head. Taking a shower in the morning. Jack, you will feel the freshness. It's like.00:07:57MayEverything you feel like a new, fresh you'll be. You'll have more energy.00:08:05JackI agree with that. I I agree with that by only the only disagreement is that I, like I would rather I would trade 10 more minutes of sleep.00:08:16JackFor a shower.00:08:22JackIf I could sleep 10 minutes more and not.00:08:24JackShower. I'll do that.00:08:27JackTwo more minutes and not brush.00:08:28JackMy teeth? No problem. No, I'm just kidding.00:08:32JackYeah, I'm not that bad.00:08:35JackI'm disgusting, I guess compared to you.00:08:37JackGuys, I'm not that disgusting.00:08:40JackOK. So Hendricks on 2 Maison 3, I'm on one, the average is 2 showers a day, but you guys live near the equator. You're in the tropics. I'm in a more temperate climate, so it's maybe excusable for me to take one shower a day.00:08:57MayYeah, I can relate to you about that actually.00:09:01JackYeah. Yeah. What's in body order is a big one for me too. Like I I use deodorant now. Do people use deodorant in Malaysia and Indonesia?00:09:14MayOf course, not only children. We have all kinds of bodies, spray body, deodorant, everything. I don't know him, but I guess he does that as well. I'm not right hand.00:09:28HendrickYeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, I have it. You know, like I usually after finish, you know, shower and then I just use my bedroom. Yeah, because that's very important and also.00:09:39HendrickYou feel very bad apart from him, yeah.00:09:43JackThis is funny because I just had this conversation with my wife yesterday and she told me Korean people believe they don't have body odor.00:09:44HendrickYou know.00:09:53JackThey don't use deodorant. So 2020 years ago when I moved to Korea, I went to the store to buy deodorant. I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it anywhere. I had to go to the black market and buy deodorant.00:10:03MayOK.00:10:09JackAnd it and it is true. Korean people did. Most Korean people don't.00:10:14JackHave body odor.00:10:15JackIt's really strange. I don't know what the why? What the you know the the chemist. Like the chemical reason or the.00:10:24JackYou know, I don't know the reason why. Yeah, I I.00:10:27MayFeed the environment.00:10:27JackThink it's just.00:10:28JackGenetics. I think it's genetics, but one out of every sixty Korean people does have body odour and they don't think they do, but they smell, you know, so.00:10:42JackThat's bad when you're sitting next to that person on the subway and they have Bo, we call it Bo body odor. Yeah, yeah.00:10:51MayBut how how? How?00:10:55MayIs it possible by where everyone almost everyone there?00:10:59MayDoesn't have any smell. How is it possible?00:11:03JackNo, it's really strange. I swear I'm not even joking with you. It's like they don't. They run around all day in the summer, they sweat and everything and.00:11:13JackThen they don't smell.00:11:15JackThey smell like a they smell like a basket of.00:11:17JackFlowers at the end.00:11:18JackOf the day I.00:11:18MayWow, this is.00:11:20JackI look like a homeless person. You know what I mean? I look like I slept under a railroad track or something. They look, my wife looks as fresh as a Daisy when she comes home from work and I look like.00:11:35JackYou know a garbage man that's been working.00:11:37JackAll day so.00:11:40JackI don't understand. You know, it's just something about the, you know, it's a genetic thing. So she, you know, doesn't have to use deodorant. But I always use deodorant. I'm terrified that I'm going to be the smelly person. I don't want to be the smelly person at work, you know?00:12:00MayIs it because the food they eat from the day they are born to the world, something like that?00:12:06JackMaybe right. It's probably kimchi. It's probably the kimchi that doesn't make them smell.00:12:11MayI don't know.00:12:12JackKimchi smells, but, but they don't. So.00:12:17JackI don't know.00:12:17MayStrange this this is something new that I just know today.00:12:22JackYeah, yeah.00:12:23JackSo yeah, so I use deodorant. You guys use deodorant. You guys showered several times a day. I in the summer, I shower multiple times a day. I have to shower more than once a day in the summer in Korea. It's too humid. Yeah, right. But it doesn't matter. Because sometimes.00:12:42JackI'm sweating as soon as I walk out of the shower. I.00:12:45JackStart sweating again.00:12:46JackBecause it's still humid.00:12:47MayYeah, that, that's that is the exact situation happened in Asian countries like with you when you just take a shower, you leave for the bathroom in less than one minute, you'll be sweating.00:12:59JackI know it's the worst.00:13:00MayThat's the situation.00:13:02JackOK, it's terrible. It's terrible.00:13:05JackAll right.00:13:05MaySo you tell me, how can a person not take any shower in the day here?00:13:10JackI don't know. I mean you you have to work in a garbage dump and you know, I mean, I don't know where else you could work and get away with that. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe if you work at a durian stand.00:13:13MaySomething's wrong.00:13:31JackYou sell durian. You don't need to take a shower every day.00:13:34MayLike durian smells good. Yeah, it smells good.00:13:36HendrickI'm looking missing.00:13:40MaySmells good, Jack. And it's delicious.00:13:40JackOK. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shouldn't. I shouldn't talk badly about.00:13:46JackFrom the nation person.00:13:51JackI know you guys, you guys are teaming up against me with your during and love. What? What's another one, mate? What about what about, you know, brushing teeth like bad breaths. How? How do you feel about that one?00:14:05MayUh this uh?00:14:07MayBe usually be brushed twice a day and then if you have bad breath, you come you only I mean brushing teeth itself doesn't help. If you really had a bad smell in your mouth, so you need something like maybe a listen.00:14:29MayMouthwash. Something like that.00:14:32JackOr mints just like pop mint mints all the time. Altoids.00:14:32MayOhh that.00:14:37MayI think in Malaysia we have a brand called, it's something like a mouthwash, peppermint and some other.00:14:47MayStuff inside. We are not too sure about that, but that is our mouth wash purpose. It's like to clean all our gum our teeth.00:14:51JackOK.00:14:54MayI work on everything you said the most.00:14:57JackOK. And what about you? How many times do?00:14:59JackYou brush your teeth in a day.00:15:01HendrickOhh wow, I think for me, you know, usually I in the morning, you know, in the morning before I go to the to my class. And then after before I go to sleep and usually you know after I eat something you know, because I learned this heavy when I was in Bali.00:15:21HendrickWhen I was working at salesman at the bank and I learned from the, you know, like the people that they work at the bank.00:15:29HendrickEspecially when they have to face with the customer everyday. You know like they always brush their teeth after.00:15:35HendrickThey eat you.00:15:36HendrickKnow because yeah, that's very important and and also.00:15:39JackThis is a Korean thing, yeah.00:15:42HendrickYeah. And when it's very important for you, you know like to have like bubble gums when to make you know you must smell, you smell really good.00:15:54HendrickWhen you, because you know when you have the conversation with people, you know you you have to.00:16:00HendrickMake sure that.00:16:01HendrickYour mouth is, you know, like it's smells good. Yeah.00:16:05JackRight. Right now in Korea, Korean people brush their teeth three times a day. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yeah, yeah.00:16:06MayYou're right, Zach.00:16:11MayAh, OK yeah.00:16:15JackAlways at work. Now I started doing it for a while, but here's my problem. I think I have bad breath I and I'm. I'll tell you why I think I have an excuse why I'm teaching all the time, right? So I'm talking all morning and my breath and my mouth gets so dry.00:16:33JackAnd it's a big problem because when you have dry mouth, then your mouth smells bad, right? Because it's not right.00:16:41HendrickYou're though.00:16:43HendrickYeah, it's better to consume, you know.00:16:45HendrickLike water, it also has.00:16:46JackYeah. And I don't drink enough water. I don't really drink water. I drink coffee, which actually makes it dehydrates me.00:16:51HendrickNow I'll do that.00:16:53JackMore so, yeah.00:16:54MayYou're right, Jack. Coffee doesn't help. You did, like, just plain water.00:17:00HendrickNo water. It's very helpful.00:17:02JackYeah. So I'm kind of worried, you know, students come up to me and then, like, teach her. I have a question and then I go, how can I help you? And then they like.00:17:10JackLook like they're going to die, you know, like.00:17:14JackJack almost killed me.00:17:16JackIt's because I've been. I have very dry mouth and then I'm drinking coffee on top of that. I should be drinking water to try to, you know, stop that. So I think I have no problem. I think I have bad hygiene. Yeah.00:17:32JackOK.00:17:32MayCould could be improved. Jack, no worries.00:17:35JackI mean, I do brush my teeth like 2 times a day. I brush in the morning and in the evening and sometimes I brush it three times.00:17:41JackA day. But I brush three times a day, but well, is there anything else? What else are we missing here? So we've got teeth. We've got body. Body odor. What else are we missing?00:17:55HendrickAre you doing better anymore?00:17:58JackClean bedroom.00:18:02HendrickBecause you know all this here, you know I live before that. I live in my my roommates, you know, in the same room. And I think they have the bad heads, which is, you know, like they just throw the garbage.00:18:17HendrickThis in the room.00:18:19HendrickIn the bedroom, you know, like Oh my God. This bedroom is really amazing. So I just moved from this bedroom and then I moved to my another friend's bedroom. So right now, in the new bedroom. Yeah.00:18:35JackYeah, you don't.00:18:36JackWant to live with a pig? Yeah, living with pigs is is terrible because there's bugs everywhere. It's gross.00:18:45MayAnd I think one more thing, I believe we should practice thing we should practice this changing clothes every day.00:18:54MayThank you.00:18:56MayI don't know how how.00:18:57MaySome people can wear the same clothes for like 3 to 4 days.00:19:00JackOh my God man, I wear I've.00:19:02JackBeen wearing the same.00:19:03JackPants for the last four days.00:19:09MayDisgusting, Jack. Sorry.00:19:13HendrickYeah, he also had the same thing. Like when I don't want to go out, you know.00:19:19HendrickStay in the same in in my bathroom. You know, I change my clothes. Me. Yeah. You know, I just.00:19:28HendrickI don't. I don't have a lot of activities outside, you know. So yeah, I mean like because.00:19:34HendrickIt smells good, yeah.00:19:34MayBut you guys are here.00:19:36MayDon't wait. You are still wearing the clothes. You're you are still sweating no matter what the what your, your body still will produce smells.00:19:50MaySo you will.00:19:50JackI smell like a flower. You know? I've never.00:19:53HendrickYeah, I.00:19:55HendrickI I.00:19:58HendrickI did this. You know? I just, uh, save my time to, you know, like, do my laundry because here, you know, we we do laundry by ourselves or if you have a lot of money, you can, you know, just pay for the people to do your laundry. So I just want to manage my I would because here I just do my laundry like one time.00:20:18HendrickIn a week.00:20:18HendrickSo yeah, that's, you know.00:20:21JackI just believe.00:20:23JackI I just like to I like to. OK, so if I so I only only pants, I mean of course like undergarments.00:20:29JackI change every day, right? Of course.00:20:32JackYou know I'm.00:20:32JackNot wearing the same T-shirt or the same sweater every day, but just pants.00:20:37JackBecause once I, once I wear a pair of pants, I don't want to wash them after one time, but I don't want to take out new pants and then sit, put the old pants on a chair, and then I have 5 pairs of pants just sitting on a chair. So I just wear the same pants until they're like three or four times and then I wash them, but I wear them.00:20:57JackEvery day, so my students probably think I only have.00:21:01JackOne pair of pants.00:21:05JackNeck so poor he can't.00:21:07JackAfford another pair of pants.00:21:10MayFor me, Jack, even though I'm just saying.00:21:12MayAt home I will change my house food everyday.00:21:20JackNo, not me.00:21:20MayI I do laundry 3.00:21:23MayTo four times in a week.00:21:25JackWow, OK, you're you win the hygiene game today.00:21:30JackYeah, if this is.00:21:31JackA game may wins the hygiene game I lose.00:21:34MayBecause I cannot tolerate smell. That's.00:21:37JackYeah, Hendrick is in second place, but you're closer to me than you are to me. I'm clearly I'm disgusting. That's the the take away from today's episode of the podcast.00:21:53MayLet's our listener what?00:21:54MayDo they practice in their daily routine?00:21:58MayIt's a it's a hygiene.00:21:59JackYeah. OK.00:22:01JackI'll I'll throw.00:22:01MayTo take care for the hygiene.00:22:03JackLet's throw it out to the listeners, listeners.00:22:05JackGo to the, go to our website A-Z englishpodcast.com and tell me how disgusting I am on a scale of 1 to 10. We know May is, you know, practice is the best hygiene. Hendrick is up there. He's amazing. I'm clearly I have problems. How deep are my problems?00:22:25JackPlease let me know send me an e-mail at OZ englishpodcast@gmail.com or go into the WhatsApp group and tell everybody how disgusting Jack is and we'll catch you next time. 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Use code ROHDE40 at Peachpit.com for 40% off!Episode TranscriptMike Rohde: Hey everyone, it's Mike and I'm here with my friend Maria Coryell-Martin. Maria, it's so good to have you on the show.Maria Coryell-Martin: Oh, I'm thrilled to be here, Mike. Thank you so much for having me.MR: You're so welcome. I had an opportunity to work with you on your YouTube channel, I think, was that last year or 2021? I can't remember now. It's so all a blur. We had a blast working together and you popped in mind for this season, and I said I need to have Maria on to talk about the work she's doing because she's a really interesting person. It's gonna stretch our listeners' minds a little bit further, which is always a good thing. Why don't you begin by telling us who you are and what you do?MC-M: Great. Well, my name is Maria and I'm an expeditionary artist and also the founder of Art Toolkit. I wear a lot of hats in my work.MR: Exactly.MC-M: Business owner and artist. The expeditionary art part came first. I've always been passionate about art, science, and education. And using a sketchbook is really how I've interpreted the world, and going out and just nonstop sketching ever since I was really little. I brought a few things to share so those of you who pop over to YouTube later.My father was a scientist and so I grew up really curious about his work and the scientific process. Part of his work brought him to the Arctic. He was studying the formation of sea ice. We grew up with Arctic parkas in the closet, and I remember big maps on the ceiling of my room.His work also brought him to Japan where he was invited to teach. This had a big influence on me because we lived down the street from a brush maker in Tokyo. The brush I'm holding up right now is one that he made out of my own hair before I left when I was, I think 11 years old. I would go up there and paint with him and my mom would help, but we didn't speak much of the same language, but the connecting over art was a really important part of my experience.He made this brush as becoming of age gift for me out of my own hair which he told me was a tradition in Japan. Ever since I was young, I've really known that art has this important place and who I am and how I experience the world, and how I can interact with it. That's where that idea of art as a tool started for me as a tool for communication, for education, for learning, for connecting, and haven't really stopped with that.MR: That's really great. And that's led, of course, to Art Toolkit, which is your business that sells materials that encourage that expeditionary art mindset or activity.MC-M: Yeah. With expeditionary art, I went to Carleton College. I grew up in Seattle, Carleton's in Minnesota, and really enjoyed traveling in part, maybe to get away from some of those Minnesotan winters, but had the opportunity to do some terrific study abroad programs, including the South Pacific, which was an art and printmaking program, Mali, West Africa, to study French and local culture and dialects languages. And took myself on some independent projects.Everywhere I went, the sketchbook again was such a part of what I did and how I experienced the world. After graduating Carleton, I had what's called a Thomas J. Watson Fellowship to travel and paint for a year. The Watson basically funds dreams for unique opportunity for 50 select graduates of this consortium of colleges.My particular dream was to travel to remote regions and paint and learn about how the landscape impacted me and the artists I can meet, how the landscape was reflected through their art. Long story short, I got a lot of practice in painting and traveling, and really my passion emerged outta that of collaborating with scientists whenever possible to help tell their story through art 'cause I've always loved science.The Art Toolkit came because I had this puzzle of traveling with art supplies and needing to keep everything portable. As an artist, part of just who I am is I really like to make things and to try and make things better. I was always tinkering every trip with the tools I had.I'm holding up now my first little watercolor palette I made, which just of out of an Altoids tin. And inside it is Sculpey, which I pushed a pencil in to make little holes and spray paint it. You see, Sculpey is really heavy, and so, it's not really like a backpacking pallet, and it's a little bulky.I thought, "I want stuff to be all in one, what can I do better?" Here's another one. This pallet is out of a Lamy safari pencil box or open box. I used this time little plastic pans that I could glue inside the tin. Some of them I put on magnets and held a lot more colors. It's lighter weight than my old mint tin, but still heavy.I had a trip to Eastern Greenland in 2010 with a walrus biologist. It was just really fun trip. We did a lot of sneaking up on walruses to observe them. The scientists were taking tissue samples, which was a cool process because they basically modified a crossbow to shoot a little tiny metal plug into—like imagine the tip of a pencil, you know? That was hollow.It'd take just a little plug of tissue out of the animal to get a little DNA sample. The walrus were sleeping in the sun, and they would grumble when they got poked. And then they'd fall back asleep, like, not a big deal. But sneaking up on these animals, we'd wear these zipper suits like machinist suits over our big warm gear, and we'd be crawling into sand so we wouldn't scare them.This is where the quantity of gear I had with me was really confronting practicality because I had my camera and an audio recorder and my sketchbook and my trusty watercolor box, but it would wiggle down as I was falling in the sand and keeping track of it felt like a challenge.That was the summer that Art Toolkit really started where I came back and my final watercolor palette that set the stage was this little business card tin, I'd adapted and found, okay, now I've got a pallet that can fit inside a zipper pouch and I can take anywhere a lot easier. I started making them myself with the help of a local company that helped with the pouches and making the little pallets. That was over 10 years ago.MR: Wow. Wow. That's really cool. That's I think the best kind of tools where it's not just something you make up and hope that it fits. It's like you actually field-tested everything to get to the point of like, okay, this is really working. I'm sure you field-tested that little business card thing as well to make sure everything worked. Just your nature, right?When you buy something from that a company or a maker, you take advantage of all that fieldwork that you've done, so you know it's gonna work when you get in that situation, it's not gonna fail you.MC-M: Yeah. I try and solve problems for myself. Then there's a point at which you think, with my work as an expeditionary artist that was around my passion for art, science, and education and wanting to go out, but I kept thinking, hey, I really wanna help share this with others and wanna help inspire and empower others for their own education or their own adventures and just going out.And so, I wanted to make tools to share and then kept making them better. Since then, we've done a lot of adapting to this palette from modifying it and changing the materials. We have them in three sizes. As if that wasn't small enough, we've got this really one size because it's so cute. I really like cute little things. My daughter teases me 'cause I'm always seeing your little cute things. Then we've got one that is about twice as big, but still slim.MR: Pretty thin. Slimness. I've got one of your kits, probably your smallest kit which includes a notebook. It's got a pallet and a water brush, and then it's all inside of a nice, pretty small, like a nylon zipper case. It all fits in there. Yep. Right there.We'll have links to Art Toolkit so you can go—if you're listening and you're not looking at anything, you're in the car or something. When you get to your destination, you can pop up a link and look at the breadth of tools. I think the other thing I like about the way you approach things is, well, of course, you're making tools that are tested and purpose-built 'cause that's really cool.The other thing I like is that you really focus on education. Like, having me on to talk about sketchnoting with people that like your tools or you're always doing stuff and then sharing. I think that's a really big key. It's not just that you're making tools, but you're actually showing them in practice and how to use them. It just makes for a whole integrated way of looking at what you're doing, which is really cool.MC-M: Oh, I'm so glad you appreciate that. It's been just central to our values and then the values now of Art Toolkit, you know, it's grown much beyond just me now about, I don't know what it was now, maybe when my daughter was two or three, she's seven and a half now.I realize I needed help with shipping and assembling and brought my mother-in-law in so to be my shipper, and she's still our primary shipper. Finally, got my husband on, and now we've got a team of about eight folks who work, some full-time, some part-time in making it, but really trying to keep those core values.I just think it's so neat. I get a little thrill when I see people out in the world and I get so inspired by other people's work. I suppose it's a little bit selfish in wanting that inspiration, but then the fun of sharing it and delighting.I tell you, Mike, the words that were mantras for me through the whole pandemic was just community and creativity. It was just like nourishing. I know that was the point where we connected. It's been something that's really grounded me.Well, that's great. I know sketchnote community is in a similar place. We all care for each other and lots of sharing and support and encouragement. The same thing happened for me kinda leaning into that community when the pandemic happened, knowing that there were other people like me that needed a connection, and so, well, let's make stuff, let's provide that.It sounds like you're on a similar path. That's really cool. You talked a little bit briefly about living in Japan with your parents and getting a brush made from your hair. I'm gonna now switch into your origin story. Now, you don't have to go and tell us every detail, we talked a little bit as we prepared for this. What were the key moments in your life that led you to where you're at and maybe some that specifically, I guess, integrated visual thinking into those decisions?I'm sure that living in Japan had a huge impact on the way you thought about visual thinking and observation and the way different cultures are and probably led to your interest in travel. There's probably a bunch of things that it probably influenced. Maybe start from when you were a little girl and became aware of the world and you're traveling with your dad and take us from there.MC-M: That's a great question. A few key moments come to mind. One was, so I've been to Japan four times and the first trip I was in grade school, I think. I don't know if it was summer after third grade or first grade, I can't quite remember.But the sketchbook for me then was just such a direct communication tool because I'd be sitting around with kids and I was out there with my family, but we spent a lot of time with other families and kids of that my parents were meeting and working with. I just remember describing things like, how we got to school. And they'd draw a picture of how they got to school, and I draw a picture of how I got to school or like what we ate.It was such this means of connecting and just like you said, that visual language. That stayed with me because it's brought joy and connection, and just like having conversations through a sketchbook. In high school, I loved art and I did a lot of outdoor education, but I really vividly remember, and I wish I'd grabbed this out of my files to show you, integrating art into my other classes as much as I could.For example, I had a mythology class where we'd have to write or review stories and instead of just, typing up or writing up a report, I put together a little book out of greeting cards, which I like sewed together and drew tiny little cartoon pictures with the whole stories for the whole assignment. Then I stuck in an envelope and gave it to the teacher who really enjoyed it.For me, it was a way of storytelling through art in my own way, and it helped me learn also. Which I think really relates to like the sketch noting of just visual processing and attention. Then another really formative moment was I spent two summers with the Juneau Icefield Research Program in Southeast Alaska.Each was a full summer one as a student in high school and one later coming back to help be a staff and artisan residence. That first summer, especially the ice field was this really stunning environment of rock and ice. Living in this environment, in these little cabins and traveling with a really neat group of people, science-oriented, also learning about field safety, so doing a lot of practice around crevice rescue and skiing and being safe in this place.And I just remember really coming away with, meanwhile, I'm always sketching, that idea of just coming at a subject from different perspectives. As an artist appreciating light and shadow, shapes, this sort of visual vocabulary. Then as a scientist, thinking about the why and asking questions.For example, crevices and why they're forming where they are, these practical elements. Then from this wilderness experience of how to safely navigate it, and travel it. Then also there's this emotional experience of this space that could change dramatically from this really wide-open landscape where you're skiing 10 miles and you can see your destination, but it feels like you're moving at the snail's pace or having the fog come in and all of a sudden, you're on the inside of a ping pong ball.Emotionally can be this entirely different feeling may be from going from this vast spaciousness to just this insular world. That made me just think a lot about how much I enjoy learning all these different aspects, and that's really was brought me to this expeditionary art of art, science, and education.MR: The sense that I'm getting from you to this point is you have a real fascination with layering. It's not enough that you learn, it's not enough that you're observing scientific phenomena, it's not enough that you're experiencing something emotionally, then you're layering on this art layer to try and capture it or express it or explain it. There's all this layering going on from what I hear.MC-M: Yeah. It's really neat when you get to be around people who are experts in those other layers because people of all sorts can just be the most delightful nerds, myself included. They're so passionate about little things that they know so much about, and just find it a delight to connect with those people and try and hear what they know and understand and use art as a jumping-off point to try and share that.MR: It's gotta be interesting to be able to express their nerdery about their specific thing in art, and then they see it and like, "Yeah, you get it." That's right. Maybe you even observe something because you're doing that art that they maybe didn't make those connections or maybe it sort of became clear for them. I imagine that's probably happened.MC-M: Yeah. Yeah.MR: That's really cool. Cool. Well, let's jump into what's the project that you're working on now that you're excited about to bring us right up to the present and share some detail.MC-M: Well, all sorts of projects going on. On the art level that's been something for my personal art practice that comes in and fits and starts now. I had a really lovely residency over the summer in Norway, which was an opportunity just to sink back into some of my painting practice. And so I'm excited to take some of that Norwegian work and develop it into larger paintings.I often like to work in the field, you work really quickly or might be filling up little sketchbooks. Here's an example from little small, just playful sketchbooks. I'm holding up one from some sketches in Alaska I did with a scientist that are—MR: Oh yeah, look at that.MC-M: Very much kind of little storytelling elements of about the project. Then in my studio I like to work on a much bigger scale often to try and catch some of the emotional sense of what I feel. Then on Art Toolkit side, there's all sorts of nonstop projects there, but I really enjoy developing new products and collaborations. I'll have to just share that there's some new paint-filled pallets that we're working on. We've got some variations on—oh, I don't even know if I should say yet, but if you stay tuned to Art Toolkit.MR: You'll find out. Yeah, get on the mailing list.MC-M: This spring, there's some a few things coming out that I'm really excited about.MR: Sweet. That's really great. That's great to hear. You're like me, you got lots of irons in the fire keeping things moving, so that's pretty cool.MC-M: Yeah. Yeah. I will say will be announcing our early spring workshop soon, and that's something I'm excited about too, is getting to connect with other artists who may wanna come and help inspire our Art Toolkit audience.MR: Excellent, excellent.MC-M: We'll have those coming up soon too.MR: Great. Let's switch to tools a little bit. You probably got lots of tools you could show. I guess we do have to remember this is typically about an hour show, so I'll have to cap you a little bit. But maybe you put in the context of someone's listening and they're like, expeditionary art or visualizing nature.Maybe they're in an urban environment and they don't think about nature, but the reality is nature is all around you, birds and trees, and it would be interesting maybe the start observing like, well, what nature is in my urban environment that I could capture? Or maybe I get out of the city and I take a sketchbook or something along.Maybe talk—when we talked before you were able to provide me with a little starter kit to try. Which is really great. Maybe talk about if someone's interested in getting into it, what would be the right tools that they might consider? Maybe that's the way to go about it.MC-M: Well, I think like the sketchbook it's similar to what people say about a camera, that the best camera you have is the one you have with you. The best sketchbook is the one you're gonna be able to have with you. For me, that's where having this little all-in-one zipper pouch of the Art Toolkit, which we offer in two sizes really came in because I just wanted this like no excuses kit.My no-excuses kit is usually the small one. I carry a bigger one when I wanna head out with more goodies and more things to share. But just to be really no excuses. In this kit, one of my favorite things is a water brush. I typically use Pentel water brushes. They're really durable. I find that you don't often clog. Last a long time. If you haven't used a water brush, you untwist the caps, you can fill them with water. Really cold places, you can mix it in with some vodka or gin to help lower the freezing temperature.MR: Your paint freeze.MC-M: Paint freeze. Another perk of the pentel that I like is they're oval, so they're not gonna start rolling downhill as quickly.MR: Fall into a crevasse or something.MC-M: I always find a water brush is handy. The most fundamental, all you need is a pencil or pen and a sketchbook. But I'll show you a little just what is in my kit, I suppose. I like waterproof pen. I often sketch straight with pen because there's just the immediacy of putting your marks on paper, and I really try and embrace practice, not perfection, of not worrying about lines being in the wrong place.If I did something and I stop and measure, I just draw the line where I want it and only color and the lines I want to. It's part of the process. Practice, not perfection is a really big mantra for me. I love a waterproof pen, and depending on where I'm traveling, I might carry one that's—I don't like disposable things in general, but a little Sharpie pen. Sometimes traveling refillable pens can be a little explosive with going over mountain passes or altitude. Another waterproof pen I really enjoy is this Pentel brush pen.MR: I love those.MC-M: A little more like dynamic mark, and they're also waterproof. Then I have a little collection of fountain pens. I'll sometimes carry—this is a little Pelikano fountain pen by Pilot. That's pretty cute and not too expensive too, so if you are not gonna worry about losing it too much. Copic multiliners are another waterproof pen I like. These are kind of a in between, see if I can pop this out. Something that is disposable and reusable. It's got a very large ink cart that you can replace and you can replace the nibs.That's a little variety of pens. I've got pen, water, brush. If I do carry a pencil, I sometimes carry an automatic pencil. This is a little heavy, but—oh, I love these pencils. Mike, they're Helvetica pencils. We have the automatic ones and then we also have just wooden pencils. They're just these gorgeous pencils made in Japan. I have just a gorgeous feel and I'm a real sucker for good aesthetics and I really like their aesthetics.MR: I'm a mechanical pencil fan as well. I keep usually soft lead and like thick. I think I got Faber-Castell, it's like 1.4 millimeter, so it's really super thick. I can show you what that looks like. It's super thick lead and it's soft. If I'm gonna do pencil, I want it to be soft and feel really loosey-goosey. I dunno if that's a technical term, but I tends to like, I can flow around and I don't worry so much. It's not about perfection, so.MC-M: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this is one I bought years ago with a big lid lead too, that I don't sketch with very much, but I picked it up 'cause it was just so beautiful with a very big lead.MR: I think that's technically called a lead holder. I think it moves beyond a mechanical pencil to lead holder.MC-M: I think that serves it right.MR: The grasping things on it, right?MC-M: A couple other things In my carry-everywhere kit, if I've got enough time, I do really enjoy travel watercolor brushes. A brand that I'm a big fan of and we carry, Art Toolkit is Rosemary and Co. These are made in England by a small family company, not terribly small, they've grown many over the years, but Rosemary still runs the company. They have a whole variety of shapes and sizes, but the big key is that when you're done painting with 'em, you can take it apart and put a cap over the point so that they won't be damaged in transit.To paint with 'em, I carry a little tiny collapsible cup that we offer on Art Toolkit website. I can pour a little water and sit down a minute. Sometimes for my water brush, I carry a little tiny no-needle syringe to squeeze out the water and pop it in my brush. I always carry little extra binder clips, sometimes rubber bands too for wind. They're really useful because you can also clip your palette to your sketchbook. So, if you're out, you can have it on one side and sketch on the other.MR: Got it.MC-M: I do that a lot, sketching standing up, or making sure something won't blow away. Finally, a paper towel to wipe my brush on. The paper towels I use, I've been using these for years and years and years. They're shop towels, blue shop towels that you can pick up at a hardware store. They're just so soft and durable that you tease them out and reuse them. I really like the feel and trying to reuse them.MR: Cool.MC-M: That's what's in my daily carry. For folks getting started, your daily carry can just be as simple as like I said, you know, a pen and a pencil. I think water-soluble pens can be fun with a little water brush just for black-and-white paintings. Just keeping things simple with what feels like you've got space for in your daily bag.MR: Well, I've got my little toolkit right here for those on video so you can see. There it's. I got a little ruler in there, my syringe, and stuff. It's been a great little kit.MC-M: Oh, I'm so glad. I love having a ruler too. Mine has slipped out at the moment, I'll need to replace it.MR: Exactly. Great. I think I've actually done some work. I can show you what I've done. You mentioned the Pentel brush pen. I was playing with this. This is in a train ride in Minneapolis along the river with my kids. Then I think I was standing at the back in the caboose and just captured the tracks rolling away from us. I gotta say, it was really fun. I was really enjoying it. I need to do more of it this summer, so thank you again.MC-M: Oh, that's wonderful. You're welcome. That brush pen is so big and bold that you can capture the shapes quickly and then the watercolor can bring it to life. I think that's something a artist friend of mine told me once was that big tools make for big ideas. That sometimes bumping up the size of your tool, you can fill something up quickly and just—MR: Loosens you up a little bit too. I think. Talking about the size, if you know what the size of a pocket Moleskine is, which I don't know what the exact size is. The kit is not much bigger. Well, maybe I'll take a picture for the show notes. It's big enough to hold it and then the tools. It's actually pretty small, all things considered. Pretty compact, and you could throw that in a bag really easily. I appreciate little things from when I was a kid as well, so I super appreciated how you packed so much in this little tiny package. It fit me. It suited me.MC-M: Oh, I'm so glad. Mine tends to get a little bloated, but the zipper holds, so I'm like, "Oh, I can just stuff one more thing in here."MR: One more thing, just one more thing. That's excellent. Now, typically with Sketch noters, they often will use iPads and pencils and stuff. Are you using any kind of digital tools for the work you do? And what are they if you do?MC-M: I'd say the biggest tool I use is my phone in just taking reference photos. I might be out somewhere and I find like being onsite and doing some sketching sort of activates my attention. It gets me into just active observation, paying attention. It doesn't matter if that's just color studies or notes, but just something to pay attention and get outta my head.But then having some sort of media, additional media, let's say I'm going and need to add more color later or wanna work on some larger paintings, having a camera with me is really helpful. I think a phone is—I just have a little iPhone mini that—I'm not always looking for the best photo, but just for the reference and the memory.Sometimes I'll even do little videos, especially if it's of birds or things that move so that I can get a sense of that motion. I can pause and maybe catch a different position. I will say, I'm curious about playing more with Procreate tools and other things. I had on my residency this summer, another artist was doing a lot of really cool development of his photos into digital images and it was good to see the potential there. But I'm a fairly analog person by nature.MR: I can imagine. The problem that I've had in the field is just when you need a thing, the battery's dead. And if you're cold weather, it's dropping faster and if it's bright and sunny, it's hard to see. There's all these considerations that paper doesn't have those issues a lot of times. I could certainly see why that might be the case.But well, that's a really great little toolkit and we'll, we'll have you send a link to all those things. We can put that in the show notes, so we've got links to all the stuff that you showed, or maybe the package of things that have them all in there. Maybe there's just one link and everything is already in there for someone so they can just buy it and they're ready to go. So cool.Well, now let's shift again. We're shifting away from tools, and this is the tips portion of the interview where I frame it that there's someone listening, a visual thinker, whatever that means to them. Maybe they feel like they've been in a bit of a rut or they're on a plateau and they just need a little encouragement or some inspiration. What would be three things that you would tell them they can be inspirational, can be practical, three things that they might do to help them just kind of shake it up a little bit?MC-M: I love that question because I'm a real process person and I already told you one of my mantras, which is practice not perfection. Another one of my mantras is trust in process. No matter how much painting I've done, I still sometimes look at a sketchbook or start a painting and I'm like, where do I begin? And I need to remember kind of, warm up again.I love having my little process to get started. One thing I love in just all parts of my life, I love timers. I am so hooked on, like, does this feel hard to do? Set a timer. In workshops with people of all ages, I love going through gesture sketches, which are really fast, energetic little sketches to get the big idea of something.Using a timer, we'll so often, start with a ten-second sketch, go to a 30-second sketch, a minute, and even up to two minutes. It's fascinating to see what can be done in just a couple of minutes. let's see if I have a little example here of some gestures. Here's some little, just tiny walrus gestures done with one project.MR: Oh yeah.MC-M: I'd recommend as one tip is, if you're feeling like you need a little prompt to get started is set yourself a timer. I'm gonna do this for three minutes, just to get yourself to sit down and get started. Another way to think about it that a scientist shared with me is the activation energy to get a chemical reaction started is bigger often than like continuing a process.I think that timer can help us have that boost to get going. then once we are in the groove, it can be easier to stay in the flow. My first tip, Mike, is use a timer and set yourself a very small amount of time to do something. Now there's the question of what to do. And that will be my next tip.Another tip I would suggest is if you're sitting somewhere and feeling like, "I need a little boost for getting going here." Would be just to play with painting the colors you see and not worry about composition. You might do this as little circles. An artist friend of ours with Art Toolkit lately has just been doing some really delightful little circle studies, in this vein of creating a little bit of a little wet circle on your paper, dropping a little bit of one color in, and adding a little bit of another color.This could be more formal or you can see this little slouch of color on the other side of just seeing how colors might mix together what you see in front of you. But take away the pressure of I have to like, paint something or, or do something more, I'm gonna put this in quotes, "Official" or "Real feeling." Just give yourself the opportunity to play with color, what you see, and don't worry about composition.Actually, there's a fun thing which I think we put on our website. I can send you a link to this, Mike. If you do this of just mixing the colors you see, sometimes you can go on top and just do a light pen drawing on top of that as well. I can send you a link to a little prompt of that.MR: Okay.MC-M: My last tip would be going the other direction from just looking at color to just starting with words. I think a lot about sense of place and palette of place is something, as an artist I pay attention to. you're building a vocabulary when you're outside of the colors you see of the environment of the stories you learn. if it feels too much to start with the drawing side of things, let yourself do some writing.I often think about, you know, the W's of who, what, where, when, why when I write. I think it can be really fun to play, this is something you do so well. you might play with your writing. This is a little exercise I did on one program where we were imagining the ocean. So let your words be fun where you might play with how you're writing.Then around those writings you might then add in little tiny thumbnail sketches or little icons and then be able to add some color to the page. with all of these tips, out of those three, it's about just simplifying your approach. setting a timer, putting a little limit on kind of your time and expectations, taking away composition, just focusing on color, and then just paying attention to the world and just letting yourself start with notes just to start that attention.MR: Those are great. Those are three great tips. I almost wanna say practice not perfection and trust in the process are almost like free extra tips. I dunno. 0.1 and 0.2, I dunno, whatever. They are also good things to remember. That's really great. Well, here we are at the end of the interview. Crazy enough, it just flows by, it seems like every time I do these.Tell us what's the best way to reach you to get to Art Toolkit to follow you. Are there social media channels where you're more active? What are the best ways to connect and explore what you're doing and what you're offering?MC-M: Art Toolkit, we're at art toolkit.com and Mike, I'll put together a little discount code that you can share with your listeners at the end. We'll put in the show notes. We have an active Art Toolkit, Instagram. Fun community there. And I've got a small team Art Toolkit who helped me with that, which is great 'cause we really enjoy featuring other artists featuring techniques.We have an Art Toolkit recommend series where we just really try and share inspiration and cool stuff to try and help inspire each other. My personal art is over@expeditionaryart.com. I'm a little quieter on the social media front these days personally, but really with the Art Toolkit newsletter is the best place to hear about what is coming up. We announce to our newsletter our new releases or special offers first. We really enjoy that community and so invite you to sign up for that on our website.MR: Great. Those are all great entry points. Everybody listening, definitely check out the code that'll be in the show notes, and then go visit and spend some money over here. We wanna encourage and support Maria and her team for the hard work they're doing and the sharing that you're doing, and you end up with good tools. Everybody wins in that case.Thanks so much, Maria, for being on the show and sharing your experience and it's so good to have you on the show. Thanks so much.MC-M: Oh, such a pleasure. Mike, thanks for everything you do and your work has long been inspiring for me too. Just really glad to share this community, so thank you.MR: You're so welcome. Thanks so much. For those who are listening, this is another episode of the "Sketchnote Army Podcast." Until the next episode, we'll talk to you soon.

Welcome back everybody, Episode 100, Sam's uber-motivated ex-army roommate, take THAT Kentucky, Sam's bet / life hack, the Halloween Capital of The World, Altoids are weaker now, Sam's reality TV show pitch, The Oxford Test, Bible "stines", the ultimate "Welcome to Diverse City" review, Sam traumatizes a Sunday School class, what did we learn today?

We talk to Patrick Graham, CEO of Unpaste - zero-waste toothpaste. Unpaste is disrupting the toothpaste market with it's Altoids like tablets. It gently polishes your teeth leaving fewer places for bacteria to attach and reducing the formation of plaque and tartar. It is manufactured sustainably with a minimalistic philosophy. Listen more from Patrick. You can also visit our website www.mindfulbusinessespodcast.comhttps://unpaste.us/

On the twenty-first episode of Blockbuster Rewatch, Andy Atherton welcomes Steve Riddle to do a live watch of 2018's Ant-Man And The Wasp continuing his MCU rewatch. Originally broadcasted live on Stream Lounge, the duo discusses the advances in de-aging technology; the spirit of Ant-Man; the addition of Michelle Pfeiffer to the cast; the introduction of Jimmy Woo; card tricks; ambiguous timelines; superhero nicknames; house arrest; Altoids; how great a bad guy Walton Goggins is; Ghost as a character; actors who are in both the MCU & DCEU; comparing sizes; Rock Band; juice boxes & string cheese; going subatomic; raspberry danishes; doing the math; Innerspace; truth serums and where the MCU will go from this point.   To watch the Stream Lounge Broadcast, click on the link below: https://www.streamlounge.io/watch/efcc6e16-7ef9-4f60-9aea-5e18b6f92f27

Jordan Raynor sits down with Skye Jethani, Co-host of the Holy Post Podcast, to talk about why Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday and what it means for your work, how a biblical view of heaven assigns untold dignity to the work you do today, and how to use everything from Altoids to doorframes to cultivate an awareness of God's presence at work.Links Mentioned:Skye JethaniSkye Jethani on TwitterSkye Jethani on LinkedInHoly Post PodcastWith God DailyWhat If Jesus Was SeriousFuturevilleWithThe Practice of the Presence of GodA Church Called TovThe Bomber MafiaTrumanLord Willing

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Welcome to the Instant Trivia podcast episode 592, where we ask the best trivia on the Internet. Round 1. Category: Cities In Literature 1: "Gone with the Wind"'s Rhett Butler was a profiteer from this South Carolina port city. Charleston. 2: In Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter", Hester Prynne did her sinning in this Puritan city. Boston. 3: Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn's hometown, St. Petersburg, was based on this Missouri city. Hannibal. 4: James Joyce's "Ulysses" takes place on June 16, 1904 in this city. Dublin. 5: "Tom Brown's School Days" were spent at a British prep school in this town. Rugby. Round 2. Category: Minty Fresh 1: White Mazda Miatas bear an uncanny resemblance to these "1 1/2 Calorie Breath Mints". Tic-Tac. 2: Pep‑O‑Mint and Wint‑O‑Green are flavors of this candy mint. Life Savers. 3: This Certs ingredient is a mix of partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil, copper gluconate and flavoring. Retsyn. 4: These "Curiously Strong" mints are "So Strong, They Come in a Metal Box". Altoids. 5: "Fresh Goes Better in Life" with these mints, "Fresh and Full of Life". Mentos. Round 3. Category: Arthurian Legend 1: Leodegrance, King of Cameliard, had Arthur as a son-in-law after this daughter's marriage. Guinevere. 2: Merlin didn't design this or buy it at Ikea--he copied it from Joseph of Arimathea. the Round Table. 3: This witch's name means she's a "fairy". Morgan Le Fay. 4: We learned more about this nephew of Arthur in the 14th century tale titled him "and the Green Knight". Sir Gawain. 5: Some accounts say Arthur still lives on this mythic island. Avalon. Round 4. Category: U.s. "O" Tour 1: Since the opening of Walt Disney World, this city has become a booming metropolis. Orlando. 2: Thanks to a National Park Service webcam, you can see this famous geyser erupt live on your computer. Old Faithful. 3: Pearl Harbor and its memorials are a must-see when visiting this island. Oahu. 4: Every year during the Kentucky Derby Festival, the Belle and Delta Queen steamboats race each other down this river. the Ohio River. 5: Go way down upon the Suwannee River and you'll discover that it rises in this swamp. Okefenokee Swamp. Round 5. Category: Pop Music Trivia 1: She was awarded her 1986 Female Pop Vocal Grammy Award by her cousin Dionne. Whitney Houston. 2: "Midnight Train to Georgia" was originally called "Midnight Plane to..." this Texas city. Houston. 3: In 1977 she spent a week on the top of the Top 40 chart with "Don't Leave Me That Way". Thelma Houston. 4: After his death in 1950, his recording of "September Song" became a big hit. Walter Huston. 5: After "Phoenix" and "Wichita", it was Glen Campbell's 3rd Top 40 hit with a city in the title. "Galveston". Thanks for listening! Come back tomorrow for more exciting trivia! Special thanks to https://blog.feedspot.com/trivia_podcasts/

Dr.Ken Harris had some delivery troubles from a package through FedEx, after everything was said and done he was exhausted and needed a pick me up so he rewarded himself. He stopped at a near store and got himself his favorite treat, Altoids. He was about to enjoy some in his car when he noticed a huge bee right next to him And he

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I love getting to talk with other women who have made a career of sharing their sex lives. This week, sex and dating expert Ali Drucker (Cosmo, Maxim) shares some pretty harrowing dating fails as well as the unexpected way she found love. Get comfy, buckle up and definitely don't pass the Altoids for this one. Do As I Say, Not Who I Did is available on Amazon.com. Follow Sydnee on Instagram and TikTok: @sydnee_paige and @sydneeinthesheets. Check out her official website sydneeinthesheets.comNew episodes come out every Thursday.Sydenee in the Sheets is available now on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify or wherever you listen. You can listen ad-free by subscribing to Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. https://wondery.app.link/SydneeInTheSheetsPlease support us by supporting our sponsors!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Console portablizing may seem like a dream to some people, but it has been an active and thriving part of the game community for a long time. From its early inception with the Darth 64 to putting a Nintendo Wii into an Altoids can (that is true), they mad scientists know no bounds. Chris Downing is one of these creators and he is here today to trace out a history of this endeavor. PS One screen price gouging and ER visits inbound! Video Link - https://youtu.be/0r6t2rPrbcI Check out Chris's work at: https://downingsbasement.com/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/cndowning1082 Twitter - @Downing1082   ​​Hair of the Dogcast is a proud member of the HyperX Podcast Network. For more information check out podcast.hyperx.com!   Contact Us: Twitter: @HOTDogcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hairofthedogcast Instagram: hairofthedogcast   To see how you can support us and access a bunch of cool, exclusive perks, visit our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/hairofthedogcast   We appreciate your support!

When Brianna was younger, it was hard to tell if what she was experiencing was just normal teenage angst or if something bigger was going on, but today she understands that mental health issues can take various forms. Brianna tells us how she works to combat stigma through education, why she carries an Altoids box with her and how recovery can be an iterative process.  Link to conferenceLink to her websiteAlthough the information covered in this podcast is weighty and deep, it is meant for informational purposes only. We are not professionals and no material contained in the show is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. If you think you may have a medical emergency, call your doctor, 911 or your local emergency number immediately.https://linktr.ee/gettingthrupodcast

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An overdue campaign against Altoids. A controversial take on Cheer. Panic attacks at the Rose Bowl flea market. The Super Bowl. Say what you will about episode 65 but at the end of the day it's not lacking in bowls... See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Shreya, Jacob, and returning guest Jane talk about Kevin Costner's magnum opus, and the greatest film of 1997, The Postman. The long road to rehabilitating this classic begins here - ride postman, ride!

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Welcome back to the Me & Mariah Podcast! In episode 13, we dive into the  2013 song; The Art Of Letting Go from the album that never was. This week, Taylor and Blake discuss the lyrics that detail the up and down relationship of our dear Mimi and chronic breeder Nick Cannon.  This song was a detour from Mariah's signature style and it is worth the deep dive! Our (un)lucky 13th episode gets a little wild. We talk all things gendered names, Taylor's very special talent, sour Altoids, our depleting resources/inevitable demise, and more!Get your weekly dose of laughs and Mariah memories and follow along @Heavyvanilla content on Instagram.____________If you'd like to support the efforts to fight the anti-abortion laws in Texas, here are some resources and organizations taking action. Visit their pages to donate or learn how YOU can take action.Tea Fund | https://teafund.org/Texas Equal Access Fund provides funding to low-income people in the northern region of Texas who are seeking abortion and cannot afford it, while simultaneously working to end barriers to abortion access through community education and shifting the current culture toward reproductive justice. (From site)Act Blue | https://secure.actblue.com/donate/txfundsAct Blue allows you to split your donation amongst 6+ organizations fighting the anti-abortion laws in Texas and are providing on-the-ground resources. 

We learn about the psychedelic properties of Altoids and Joe pulls the ultimate prank. Elon Musk turns Joe and Gavin into batteries and we start the craze that's sweeping the… The post WKOMAY Ep 6: #goingtokrispykreme appeared first on What kind of monster are you?.

Welcome to A Remarkable Thought: A short story podcast to engage your mind and lift your spirit—a production of changeyourmindchangeeverything.org. In a world that runs on 5G, caffeine, obligations, shoulds, shouldn'ts, woulds, and wouldn'ts we've created a space where you can relax, laugh and think for yourself.  Each week we will bring you a refreshing escape where your mind can wander in a thoughtful story as you visit wonders yet to be considered. At the end of every show, we will leave you with a quality question to ponder. This week's host is Jami Amerine with a original story she wrote called, Goldie gets Grateful.  Take a beat, take a breath, and listen in!  "Traffic was a beast.  The loop was at a standstill.  Goldie drummed her fingers on the steering wheel, then rifled through the console of her Camry, looking for… anything.  Half of a Cliff bar, an empty container of Altoids, and a licorice sucker.  “Licorice sucker, who in their right mind...”  She trailed off, recounting the fit her 2-year-old daughter had thrown, after too long at the pediatrician with the despicable reward of a licorice sucker.  The fowl compensation clung to the felt lining of the console.   The growl of her stomach wasn't persuasive enough to convince Goldie to pry the sucker from its landing.  Nor was it strong enough to lure her to gnaw on the Cliff bar she'd found repugnant the last time she'd attempted to appease her appetite in traffic.  “COME ON!”  She bellowed at no one.   “I wish I was a Jedi.” Again, only herself to hear her..." Show sponsor: SocialWisedU  SocialWisedU e-course will guide your family toward a healthy relationship with social media and each other.  Ditch the lectures and start equipping your family to thrive in a world that is becoming more cyber than real.  Enroll now at SocialWisedU.org *Affiliate Links are used below. If you purchase through the links we may be compensated at no additional cost to you.  Learn more about affiliate links here.  Find Made Like Martha here!  CONNECT WITH US! Stay connected with us beyond the show by subscribing with your email address at changeyourmindchangeverything.org.  Just fill out the sign-up bar with your name and email address and voila, you'll be added!  You can also connect with Jami on her widely-popular blog sacredgroundstickyfloors.com and connect with Katie on her life-giving and freedom-finding website: katiemreid.com  Jami on TikTok Katie on TikTok Jami on Facebook Katie on Facebook Jami on Instagram Katie on Instagram     

Dr. Jo interviews Allyson Park, a busy professional, who shares her perspective on having it all. You won't find balance every single day. You'll constantly and hopefully gently seesaw back and forth across the middle. The key is to figure out early what's important to you, set your boundaries, do what you love, stay agile, evolve as your life changes. You can find her featured article on LinkedIn. Allyson is a wife, mom and global executive leading corporate affairs for Mars Wrigley - part of Mars, incorporated. She is responsible for all internal communications to 34,000 people, all public affairs and all external communications across 180 countries to consumers, government officials /stakeholders and media relations for beloved brands like M&Ms, Orbit, Altoids and Skittles. Her job is to create better moments and more smiles. ___ Host, Dr. Jo Lichten, PhD, RDN, CSP is an energy expert...for people. Blending the science of peak performance with a healthy dose of reality, she works with organizations to recharge their people for improved performance, productivity, and profitability. Jo is also the author of Reboot: how to power up your energy, focus, and productivity. To learn more and to invite Dr. Jo to speak to your organization, visit DrJo.com. ___ Like the podcast? Please ❤❤REVIEW and ❤❤SUBSCRIBE to my channel. ___ FOR MORE INFORMATION · Dr. Jo · Contact Dr. Jo · Dr. Jo's SPEAKER REEL · Dr. Jo's REBOOT Book · Coaching with Dr. Jo _____ DISCLAIMER · As a PhD nutritionist and registered dietitian, my mission is to help energize people's lives so they can be happier, healthier, and more productive. This involves blending the science of peak performance with a healthy dose of reality. · Nutrition, wellness, and general health information is for educational purposes and not a substitute for personalized professional medical care. Please consult your medical care professional about any health issue. _____ SAY HI on SOCIAL! · LinkedIn · Facebook · Twitter · Pinterest · Instagram ----- #DrJo #healthspeaker #wellnessspeaker #nutritionspeaker #Florida #motivationalspeaker #CSP #certifiedspeakingprofessional #author #REBOOT #energymanagement #workplacefatigue #peakperformance #lifebalance #DrJoHS #betterhealth #humanperformance #podcast #dietitian #registereddietitian #nutritionist#RD #RDN #resilience #stressmanagement #corporatewellness #corporatehealth #TWH --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/drjo/message

The StoryThe Two Angels Petite Sirah 2017 is a wine I found at Costco for $9.99 sourced from vineyards in the Red Hills sub-AVA of the Lake County AVA north of Napa in Northern California.This is a fairly new wine brand, the 2017 vintage is their third vintage for this label. Red Hills AVA is an interesting growing region. It is located on the southwest corner of Clear Lake with most of the vineyards planted above 2,000 feet in the Mayacamas Mountains.You have high-altitude growing with intense sunlight, volcanic soils, and a variety of micro-climates caused by the elevation and the lake. Lake County is north of Napa and many wine drinkers forget that it's there, But Lake County is an important growing region and producer for value-priced, quality wine.I always maintain that you can successfully choose a wine by its label and the Two Angels Petite Sirah 2017 is a prime example. The label is a drawing from the year 1591 depicting 2 drunken angels. There is a link above from the producer explaining the label.The 2017 vintage is the current vintage which gives this relatively inexpensive Red a good bit of bottle age. This Petite Sirah was aged in French oak barrels for 9 Months with 20% of the barrels being new oak.Oak barrel is something of a math problem with this percentage of new oak barrels and this other section using second use barrels and another amount using 3rd use barrels. It is very important to get the flavoring precisely right, along with getting the wine ready for sale in a timely manner.Petite Sirah is a grape created in the late 1800s by a man named Durif. This was a time when France was having a major problem with disease and pests in the vineyards. Petite Sirah was put together to use in place of Syrah grapes which were having repeated tough vintages.By the time the grape had successfully stabilized, the issues with the Syrah grape subsided and the need for Petite Sirah disappeared. It would have been forgotten but it somehow made its way to Australia (where it is known and Durif) and to California where the grape has had a recent renaissance. It is very popular in Red blends and often added to Zinfandel wines. The alcohol content is a stout 14.3%.Two Angles Petite Sirah 2017The color is a deep, dark, opaque purple. The nose is extracted ripe fruit and spice, there is toasted vanilla, black cherry, a smokey, meaty note, light herbs, and plums.This Petite Sirah is both silky smooth and bold, rich, and spicy. It starts with blackberry, licorice, and a healthy slap of Altoids spice. The mid-palate adds peppermint, vanilla cream, sour cherry, chocolate powder, and then some more spice. This is a big, bold, tasty wine.The tannins are sweet, they actually get a little lost with all the flavors popping up in your glass. The acidity does a good job of supporting the multitude of flavors and allowing them to unfold.The SummaryThe Two Angels Petite Sirah 2017 is a party in your glass. I am drinking it on a hot and humid August night and it seems a little out of place for summer drinking. But just wait until the nights cool down and the Two Angels will be right at home.Some times a ten buck wine can have its edges knock-offed, kind of dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience. The Two Angels give you the full experience, this is a wine that does not hold back. It has balance, but it is big and bold.This wine sells for $9.99 at Costco, but it is selling on the internet for around $24. So when I say it does not taste like a ten dollar wine that is because except for Costco the Two Angels Petite Sirah 2017 is an upscale wine.If you don't have a Costco membership give your neighbor a twenty and see if they won't pick up a couple of bottles for you. Promise to share it with them.

The StoryThe Fallen Bridge Lodi Zinfandel 2017 is a $6.99 Trader Joe's exclusive. That is about all the information available for this Zin. The company that made the wine, Sonoma Bespoke, a custom private label winery. They make wines for stores and restaurants across the country. If you are in a 7/11 and see Vin Seven, that's them. This is a single AVA Zinfandel from Lodi in the Central Valley, which is my favorite place to find Zinfandel wines. Some of the top name producers are from Sonoma or the Central Coast, but I think Lodi gets the job down and the price is usually right.This might be silly, but I must address the label. The wine is named Fallen Bridge, but the artwork shows someone with an umbrella on their head falling off a bridge. The bridge seems to be a railroad bridge, there is a train in the distance, but below the train is a sailboat. The label looks interesting at first glance, but upon inspection makes absolutely no sense.Since there is no information released on the making of this wine, what can we figure out from the bottle? They do not mention "old vines" which is rare these days for a Lodi Zinfandel. There is no legal definition for "old vines" and Lodi has a bunch of 40-year-old plus vineyards so the come by old vines rather easily.This is a 2017 vintage which with a Red wine can indicate a more extensive production process. More grape extraction, more tannins, more acidity, and a longer oak aging process. More complicated production techniques cause wine to take more time to come together.But, since this is a $6.99 Trader Joe's wine it could be a wine that was ready to go sometime in 2018 but was leftover for some reason. It is common for wineries to produce more wine than they need and to sell off the excess for added profit. The alcohol content is a stout 15%.Fallen Bridge Lodi Zinfandel 2017 Tasting NotesThe color is dark black cherry red. The nose is interesting, by just the aroma I would guess that this is a wine with a more detailed winemaking process. There is sweet cherry, the scent of BBQ pork slow-cooking, spice, cinnamon, RC Cola, and sugar cookies baking in an oven. Their this wine has a terrific nose or I am really hungry.This Zinfandel has a nice rounded mouth-feel that is balanced by some sharp spice. It starts with ripe cherry, black coffee, dark chocolate, Altoids spice and plum. The mid-palate is fairly quiet compared to the body of the wine, but there is some raspberry and orange zest added in. The Tannins are sweet and smooth and the acidity is balanced.The SummaryThe Fallen Bridge is a pretty good drink-it-now, everyday Zinfandel. It drinks way above its price tag.

The StoryThe Cotillion Pinot Noir 2017 is a Trader Joe's $9.99 exclusive brand sourced from vineyards in 56% Monterey County, 33% Sonoma County, and 11% Santa Barbara County in California. Under usual circumstances, this is a wine that would show 'California' on the front label as a place of origin since 67% of the grapes came from the Central Coast AVA and 33% came from the North Coast AVA. But since each of the AVAs mentioned are excellent Pinot Noir growing regions Cotillion preferred to brag a little.The Cotillion Pinot Noir is one of my favorite Trader Joe's wines, here is a link to the 2016 vintage, not only do I enjoy the Pinot Noir, but I am partial to the label. The label shows animals at a party and each animal is wearing a head mask of another animal, such as the fox is wearing a chicken mask and chicken is wearing a fox mask. It is all very strange.The Cotillion Pinot Noir 2017 is interesting, it is sourced from some of the better Pinot Noir locations in California. Santa Barbara County is only about an hour and a half drive north of Los Angeles. The surrounding area is too hot in the summer to grow grapes, much less finicky Pinot Noir, the vineyards are located on a section of land that juts out into the Pacific Ocean on two sides. That gives the vineyards cool Ocean winds on both sides and plenty of early morning fog.Monterey County is located near a Bay south of San Francisco, there is a deep spot in the ocean just off the coast that concentrates very cold water, that keeps the Monterey vineyards the right temperatures for grape growing. Monterey also has a diverse landscape, coastal mountains, valleys, and benchlands. They successfully grow a wide variety of grapes and there are some excellent Pinot Noir areas.Sonoma County is well known for Pinot Noir, with the Sonoma Coast AVA, the Russian River AVA and the Sonoma side of the Carneros AVA. While Cotillion does not specify where exactly in these quality Pinot Noir growing regions the grapes were sourced, I am crossing my fingers and hoping that they would not be bragging on the front label if they weren't from someplace good.Another detail in the Cotillions favor is that the current vintage is 2017, which gives this Pinot Noir at least 2 years of aging. The back label mentions vanilla and oak undertones, so some sort of oak aging took place. Value priced wines often keep you guessing if oak barrels were used or not, but since this Pinot needed a full two years plus to reach its balance, that does suggest oak barrel is used and not some other more economical method. The alcohol content is 13.8%.Cotillion Pinot Noir 2017 Tasting NotesThe color is a see-thru cherry jelly red. The nose is pretty decent, it is a little on the ripe fruit side, but still hs plenty of Pinot Noir funk. There is black cherry, herbs, crushed fall leaves, a savory note, vanilla, a little spice, and dusty chocolate powder. This pinot has an excellent silky mouthfeel, the ripe fruit on the nose is much more subdued in the body of the wine. It tastes of tart cherry, soft spice, slightly sharp herbs and plum with vanilla.The mid-palate adds some Altoids spice, cranberry, chewy sweet tannins, and orange zest. The acidity is well-balanced, this is a bright, zesty Pinot Noir. The finish is soft but does stick around for some time.The Summary The Cotillion Pinot Noir 2017 is a throw-back Pinot. There has been a trend lately for more full-bodied Pinots that are blended with Petite Sirah or Syrah. They are very popular the leading brand recently sold for a third of a billion dollars. But the Cotillion is a value-priced version of the best old school California Pinot Noir. It isn't equal to 40 or 50 dollar Pinot, but it does have some of the characteristics of those more fancy Pinot Noirs. AT $9.99 any Pinot Noir that can remind you (if not actual match) of the expensive stuff is ok with me. The Cotillion gives you a real Pinot Noir drinking experience a...

The Collection Cabernet Sauvignon 2016 (Target) is a $9.99 Target exclusive sourced from vineyards in California. Target also offers their California Roots  line of $5.00 wines, which I thought were "ok" but not anything special. It is hard to be too critical of a decent five buck wine. Should we expect a wine twice as good for ten dollars? Target doesn't give a great deal of information on The Collection, so lets see what we can figure out from the bottle. The back label shows a winery from Manteca, California (Lodi), the winery name was created just for these particular wines. There is a large and very good, family owned vineyards and winery in Manteca, they have produced custom wines for Trader Joe's and I think, ALDIs. They also produce many retail wine labels on their own that are excellent value wines. I can't be completely sure that they produced The Collection Cabernet Sauvignon 2016, but if they did that is a good sign. This is a 2016 vintage Cabernet Sauvignon, which gives a wine released in March of 2019 some decent bottle age. Cabernet Sauvignon is a wine that takes some time to come together, you expect some sort of oak conditioning to be well-integrated into the flavor profile and the tannins to reasonably smooth. That takes some aging to complete and The Collection Cab doesn't skimp. The alcohol content is a very California, 14.5%. Tasting Notes The color is a dark, but still see-thru black cherry red. The nose is blackberries, a touch of herbs, a little spice, a little chocolate and a little vanilla. This wine has medium + body, with balanced flavors and decent structure. It tastes of blackberries, French vanilla, tart cranberry, and black pepper. The mid-palate adds a little Altoids spice, raspberry, and a touch of milk chocolate. The tannins do not bite, but provide solid structure, many value-priced Red wines try to hide their tannins, not here. The acidity is balanced, this can be a food wine, steaks on the grill anyone? The finish starts off strong, but is a little short. Summary * The Collection Cabernet Sauvignon 2016 is very competitive with Cabs in the value price category * Exclusive store brands have price advantages over regular retail wines, this $9.99 Cab Sauv is equal to Cabs in the $13 to $14 range * The Collection Cabernet Sauvignon is $9.99 and, yes, it is twice as good as the $5.00 Target California Roots Cab Sauvignon

The Trader Joe's Cotillion Pinot Noir 2016 is a $9.99 Trader Joe's exclusive sourced from vineyards in 56% Monterey County, 33% Sonoma County, and 11% Santa Barbara County. These 3 counties are very solid Pinot Noir growing region and the bottle could have indicated California as the grape origin, since 2 of the AVA's are in the Central Coast AVA and 1 in the North Coast AVA, but they wanted to "show-off" it's semi-fancy pedigree (especially for the price). This is a TJ's wine that comes back every year, we reviewed the 2013 vintage and as I recall, liked it. The back label indicates some sort of oak aging or conditioning and a 2016 vintage is a fair bit of bottle aging for a ten buck wine. Certain wines take longer to come together and be drinkable for release, they tend to produce $10 wines to find their balance quickly. So a current vintage of 2016 shows the producer didn't rush this bottle to market and that is a good thing for any wine, but especially for Pinot Noir which tends to be delicate and shouldn't be rushed. The alcohol content is 13.8%. The color is a legit, see-thru garnet red, with so many Pinot Noir's having Petite Sirah and other grapes blended in nowadays I am used to seeing deep, dark Pinots, I prefer the real thing. The nose is impressive, smoke, herbs, mushroom, black pepper, cherry, grilled meat, it's the aromas found on the expensive stuff. This is a medium bodied, nicely balanced, old-school Pinot Noir. It tastes of cherry, a little Dr. Pepper (not sweet), a rough contrast of herbs, and creamy vanilla. The mid-palate offers exotic spice, raspberry, black pepper, and a late slap of Altoids spice. The tannins are soft and sweet and the acidity stays in the background, this can be a food wine as well as an excellent sipper. The finish is vibrant and lengthy. The Trader Joe's Cotillion Pinot Noir 2016 is an unexpectedly satisfying California Pinot Noir. It constantly reminded me of Pinots from the expensive, highly touted growing regions, not a best of California TJ's $9.99 Pinot. It is not as delicate and etherial as the best Pinot Noir, but it does drinks very well and in a blind tasting you would never guess the price. Plus it has a label with Victorian-style animals dancing at a party where they are wearing masks of other animals. Wonderful label and a wonderful wine.        

The Lushes talk about how to bring along booze when you travel. Whether it's a plane, a train or a car we talk about the best way to travel with your favorite spirits. And dispel the myths of taking along your own booze when you go. We also get seriously off-track talking about Alicia's successful date at White Castle, whether Altoids would work as a mint julep substitute among other things.

This Frontsider panel episode explores what virtues go into making quality software, such as having tests, making sure software is performant and accessible, and why you should try to avoid technical debt. Transcript: CHARLES: Hello everybody and welcome to The Frontside Podcast Episode 98. My name is Charles Lowell, developer here at The Frontside and your podcast host-in-training. With me today, we're going to have a round table, a Frontside round table. With me today is Elrick. ELRICK: Hey. CHARLES: Joe. JOE: How you doing? CHARLES: And of course, Will. WIL: Hello, hello. CHARLES: Welcome, y'all. We're going to be talking today about some of the things that we do around here, aside from trimming the shrubs and making coffee and snacking on Altoids. Like, way too many of them. Yeah. I was thinking we could talk a little bit about software qualities of relative things, like this software has these qualities. And I think that that kind of lofty goal of software quality is comprised of having a bunch of little qualities. The quality of having fewer bugs or the quality of having these things. And so, talking about all these things that we do and kind of what we do to make sure that we continue to do them. Or the ways that we can ensure that our software has these things. So yeah, we can just start really anywhere. WIL: Yeah. So, one core thing is obviously tests. CHARLES: That kind of falls under we want to have – really, there's two qualities there that we want, right? Is we want to have… WIL: Maintainable software. CHARLES: We want it to be maintainable. We want it to be resilient to change. And we want it to work properly, right? Yeah, so we put tests in place to make sure that that happens. JOE: Tests also inform design in a really positive way. A lot of the time, anyway. WIL: Another thing that we like to include in our apps is responsiveness. CHARLES: Yeah. And just making sure that you have – that it works on a multiplicity of devices, right? WIL: Yeah. And not just the devices, but browsers as well. CHARLES: Yeah. And it turns out it's actually really hard to do that after the fact. WIL: Right. JOE: Yeah. CHARLES: Making sure that lots of browsers, lots of devices. Because yeah, sometimes you have some weird screen width that is on some weird device, and making sure that that works. I guess there's some overlap with testing there, too, isn't it, right? Like you want to be running your tests on those devices at those resolutions to make sure that they're going to work. This is something that we aspire to but I don't think we're quite there yet. It was making sure that our applications are accessible. WIL: Yeah. JOE: I'm very excited to learn more about this as we get into this, yeah. CHARLES: Right, right. And asking the question, how is it that we actually can ensure our applications are accessible? We have very paved roads for making sure that our applications are resilient to change and that they have low bug rates and that they're well-designed via testing. But what is the analog of testing for accessibility? What's the way that you can put those guardrails in for accessibility? I have no idea. And that's an ongoing conversation here at Frontside. JOE: So, I guess I'm curious as to what technologies are actually involved in accessing a web application in – would it be reasonable to say a non-traditional way? I know there's such things as screen readers, but is that all we're talking about? Or what is the ecosystem that we have to consider supporting? CHARLES: I'm certainly not an expert on this. We'd have to get Rob in here to chew our ears off this. JOE: Yes. CHARLES: But from what I've picked up from him and from our conventions with Marcy Sutton and some other folks that we've had on the podcast, it's a big umbrella. So, it's anyone using an application in a non-traditional way. So, whether that can have to do with limited vision, hearing, movement, range of movement, cognitive ability, it's a gigantic whale of a domain. WIL: Yeah. The topic of accessibility can definitely be several podcasts on its own. CHARLES: Yeah. One thing that we've talked about is it would be great if you could drive your test suite through a screen reader or something like that. What would that even look like? There are a couple of open source ones out there, but they're Windows-only. I think it was NVDA was the big one. And then you have a screen reader that then drives the applications in your operating system, so it's going to vary per operating system. So, making sure that it's accessible on Windows, at least as I understand it, is very different from making sure that it's accessible on a Mac. JOE: Yeah, it's like a whole other layer. And it's like BrowserStack outside of the browser. CHARLES: Right. WIL: There are things that you can do from the beginning that will make it easier when you get to that point. It's just like using semantic HTML, knowing when and how to use proper aria labels. All these things, if you do it from the beginning, it's not as big of a task as bolting it on afterwards. CHARLES: Right. And I think we do have a leg up when it comes to web applications. It's within our power to change. There are cross-platform of those technologies. But as you said, it's important to put them in from the beginning. Because as we've seen, for each one of those categories, you're accumulating debt if you don't address it. So, there's technical debt. But I think that technical debt can [inaudible] into a bunch of different areas. So, there's technical debt in terms of the internal quality of your architecture, the way your software components talk to each other. And I think that that's what people mostly think of when they talk about technical debt. But I think in terms of responsiveness debt, there's a slice of the technical debt pie that has to do with making your application responsive. And so, if you don't address making your application responsive, you're accumulating debt and you might not know it. And if you're not making your application accessible, then from the beginning you're accumulating debt. So that if you have to go and try and figure out your accessibility story six months, a year, two years, you might actually uncover and say, “Whoops. I've been swiping the accessibility credit card. And holy crap, with all this. All my fines and penalties and compounded interest. Now I'm accessibility bankrupt.” And that can be scary, right? WIL: Yeah. And a lot of people don't realize with all this debt after the fact is they think they're going in and adding things like responsiveness and accessibility and tests. But really, you're also taking away previous work that's already there, things that need to be refactored. If you put these things off, you're not just adding a few hours of time. You're inflating your time exponentially. CHARLES: Right. Right, exactly. It can be intimidating but I think it's also empowering, because technical debt is like a scary subject. But if you're like, “Oh, we can actually slice our technical debt into a bunch of different categories and address them individually,” just knowing that this is an area where debt can accumulate, that's half the battle. Because the worst thing is debt you don't even see. ELRICK: Yeah. WIL: I mean, [inaudible] is big. That's a big part of accessibility, that, is most people don't think of accessibility. So, that is a huge debt that a lot of companies don't see. JOE: What about something like internationalization where I feel like I've never been in an application where that wasn't punted on to some degree. That's kind of a well-known problem, but it still takes a back burner. Do you think that if accessibility had more exposure as a concern, would it actually get the attention it deserves or is it kind of destined to, “Oh, we'll get to those yaml files later. We'll send those off for translation later,” that type of thing. ELRICK: I don't know. Sometimes I feel as though people feel as though they're trading speed away when they're building applications when they go to implement these things. Like, “Okay, well we're not really going to touch on these right now because that's going to slow us down from pushing out features.” Which is not really true. Because if you don't settle on these things early, you're not really building a solid foundation for your application in the long haul. So, I think people are like, “Oh, we'll just do it later.” CHARLES: Right. ELRICK: And, “We'll just ship features now.” CHARLES: Right. I think that's exactly right. It has this kind of secondary effect where not only do you develop the debt but you develop a culture of accumulating debt, right? Like when it comes to people getting a hold of their finances, the first thing that they have to change is they have to change their spending habits. And that can be the hardest thing. It's not just balancing the equation. It's like saying, “I need to readjust my thinking about this.” ELRICK: Yup. CHARLES: So that I'm not consistently put in this situation again. JOE: So, there's an operative word there, right, in personal finance in that usually if a company is addressing technical debt especially down the road, something that they've punted on for a while, it's far from personal. There's a board of directors or there's a special interest group involved. There's people who want features that are putting money into it. There's a lot of pressure as the company grows and more people are involved. Priorities are more likely to be lost, I guess. CHARLES: Are you saying it can be hard when your culture is spread over that many people, it can be hard to shift? JOE: Absolutely, yeah. And I guess to keep with the dash-first thing, ideally were we starting a company, we would want to start a culture for this company. A culture that recognizes the vulnerability that we all have to technical debt as applications grow. We want that upfront. But the reality is, you know, startups are eager to get things out. Companies that have been around for a long time have high-paying clients that they depend on that want certain things. And yeah, I guess I'm just saying that it has to come in from the beginning. CHARLES: Yeah. And I think that – I don't want to completely disparage technical debt entirely, because technical debt like actual debt, like financial debt, is a powerful tool that you can wield. But it's also, it's like a table saw. You can also easily slice your finger off. It doesn't mean that it's not a useful tool, right? If anyone's bought a house, it's really great that you can borrow money to buy a house. It's great that businesses can borrow money and get small business loans to get bootstrapped. And that benefits us all to have that community. I don't think that – yeah, startups definitely, they need to have technical debt as a tool that's available to them. But they just need to understand the consequences of it and be able to get a hold on it. JOE: That's a super interesting take. I never considered it that way before. CHARLES: Yeah. It's definitely not my take. I actually think the person who coined the term ‘technical debt', that was the original idea. But then people realized that technical debt can also get way out of hand. WIL: It's just like real debt. If you're not paying down a certain amount every so often, it's going to keep growing. CHARLES: Yup. You're going to have to declare bankruptcy at some point and throw out the piece of software if you don't pay a down. And that's going to be more expensive. ELRICK: Yup. That's definitely true. So, I have a question. And we see this all the time repeating itself at various companies, whether it's a startup, a large company, where they put off testing and mobile-first, user-first, accessibility-first. Like all the firsts, they just toss it to the side. Why do you all think that that happens so frequently? CHARLES: I think it comes into people not understanding that if you don't address it from the start, it won't happen naturally. There is a prime motivator that has to happen. If you don't imbue something with those qualities when it's tiny, when it's a tiny seed, a tiny crystal, you're going to have to drill through layers and layers and layers of core to put it at the crystal to begin with. I like to think of software as kind of like a tree. And we eat the fruit of the tree, and that's the features that users use. And we can tell that a fruit is delicious merely by placing it in our mouths. And we can tell what fruit is bad. But we can't really look at the fruit itself to say what caused this fruit to be good, what caused this fruit to be bad. We have to look at the tree. And I think that that's what people miss when they're developing software, is that what you really want to do is you want to build a tree that builds good fruit. You can't just take the fruit off the vine and say like, “Hey, I've got this peach but it doesn't have enough sweetness. So, I'm going to take a syringe and I'm going to inject glucose around it and make it less tart.” You say, “I want a sweet fruit,” right? ELRICK: Yeah. JOE: You could probably actually do that. CHARLES: You could. And that might be a strategy. And we see a lot of software that has those qualities of, “Oh, we're going to make this accessible,” or, “We're going to try and make this beautiful.” I happen to think that pigs are adorable animals and look great in lipstick. But that [laughs]… you could put lipstick on a pig but people can tell. And you can say, “Oh, this peach needs to have softer fruit,” and you can whack it with a mallet to actually make the meat more tender. But people are going to be able to tell. So, what you really need to do is you need to care for the peach tree rather than worry so much about the fruit. Because if you have a healthy tree, then you will have healthy fruit, right? ELRICK: Yeah. So, you want to plant good seeds. JOE: Yeah. WIL: Back to you question, Elrick, about what motivates startups and other companies to put off these things. I think the biggest thing is just time and money. They have this misconception where they're saving a little time and saving a little money now just to add it back later. But in reality, it's going to cost them tenfold time and money for adding it later, versus just spending that little bit of time and money and all that to begin with. CHARLES: That's true. JOE: It could also boil down, as far as just personal intimidation. Not so much like a business side of a thing but maybe just, think of all of the things that you listed, Elrick. It was almost a dozen dash-firsts in there. If you're sitting down at a startup that you started with three friends and just approaching these things for the first time, that's a lot to tack on right upfront. It's intimidating. CHARLES: It is intimidating. I think my message to those people is I've felt intimidated by that. I think my message to those people is like, the nice thing about it is if you attack those, if you tack all of those things from the get go, the features will take care of themselves and feel more effortless as you go on. You say like, “Oh, well actually, I don't worry about a high rate of bugs.” I want to say recidivism, but that's not the right word. A high rate of return, not on money but on – or high rate of bouncing your users. You don't want that. And if you bake that in from the beginning, parts of the software development cycle that were stressful before just aren't stressful anymore. So, if we say, “We want to have a system that is easily maintainable, well let's put that in from the very beginning.” We say that a lot. We deploy to production on day one. But what that means is, we say we have this value that we want the system to be easily maintainable. And so, we're going to do it from day one. That means that we actually – it's not something that we worry about so much on down the road. Whereas that used to be very stressful. I don't know. I remember when I started my career, there were these long release cycles where every six months, you'd release software. And the last month was just absolutely terrible as you try to stand this thing up and get it into production and then realize it's not monitored. There's no one checking the health of this thing. So, it's pissing off users at one in the morning. And… WIL: Beepers. CHARLES: What's that? WIL: Beepers. CHARLES: That's actually a great – there's a story there. The one time I got a beeper, I went canoeing in the canals of London and I tipped over my canoe and I dropped both my cellphone and the beeper that they've given me. ELRICK: What? CHARLES: I never got put on pager duty again. [Laughter] JOE: I'm going to use that next time [inaudible] with an on-call position. That's a good move. CHARLES: I remember, I definitely remember how sour my manager's face was when I turned [inaudible] the cellphone that was like, dripping with water. JOE: He was eating bad fruit, probably. CHARLES: Yeah. [Laughs] So, the other thing is we like to build beautiful applications, right? So, you have to – that match the user experience. You have to spend that time on design and beauty upfront. You will not have a beautiful application after the fact. You just need to bake it in. ELRICK: And accessible design. CHARLES: Exactly. ELRICK: Don't forget that one. CHARLES: Don't forget that, right? A responsive design. WIL: Yeah, accessibility-first in design. Yeah, responsive and all that starts in design phase, yeah. CHARLES: Yeah, all that, right? So, you want a great experience. You want an accessible experience. You want a responsive experience. You want a quality experience. You want a performant experience. That's another quality that you say. Like, “We're going to make sure that this is performant.” If you want that – and that's something that we're not always great about, right? We don't actually put in benchmarks for our software from the get go. But maybe we should. But there's perhaps a hidden cost there that we might be actually accumulating performance debt that we don't even know about. JOE: That's true. ELRICK: Interesting. JOE: So, things that pop up that are new. Like, accessibility wasn't probably always a thing in computing. Internationalization probably wasn't always a concern. Beautiful certainly wasn't a concern if you look on Wayback machine. You will see that to be true, right? [Laughter] JOE: So, all code is tech debt, I would argue. Or at least has the potential to be. And yeah, as the ecosystem as a whole evolves, being responsive to that, having plasticity in that respect, sort of like meta-first. CHARLES: Right. JOE: That could be the real challenge. WIL: Yeah, Charles is mentioning all these experience things. And so, I was thinking X-first is simply experience-first. You want you users to experience a certain quality of your app. That experience needs to start in the conception phase. CHARLES: Yeah. ELRICK: That's true. And even your developers coming in, developer experience. JOE: Yeah. CHARLES: Right. And I think the core of that X-first, that experience-first, is you need to pick which experiences. Because you can't have everything. JOE: Right, yeah. CHARLES: One, there is going to be too much. You have to say, “I'm going to sacrifice on knowing that this is a performance thing. I'm not going to include that in the core DNA of my application.” And there's just going to be things that you don't know about yet that are just unsolvable problems or that don't necessarily work. And you can say, “You know what? Hypothetically, I'm not going to make this an accessible – I'm not going to focus on accessibility.” But then you need to own that. And you need to know that you're accumulating a huge amount of debt around that. And then I think that is a particularly bad trade-off because someone's always going to come along and you're going to have to know that your application is accessible. I think once we clamp down on that, that's going to be something that we have a strategy for and we include at the beginning on every single application, right? ELRICK: Yeah. CHARLES: But I think you need to have, almost like holding the cards in your hand, say, “These are the cards. These are the X's that I'm going to have in my hand. And they are going to be core to my app.” And they're going to be part of the DNA of that tree. So that I know that the fruit is then going to have those qualities. JOE: And then you as an engineer, that goes through an iterative process as well. Just starting out, you have no idea what that DNA should look like. And short of learning from people who are wiser than you who are around you, and reading blog posts and whatnot, really the only way to know the pain of strong-arming internationalization for instance into a 15-year-old Perl application, is to go through it. And then, you know, future trees will not have this DNA. CHARLES: Right. Right. And that's the other thing. Is if you are going to include, if you are going to try and splice something into the DNA, there's a lot of work. And you just need to go for it. You acknowledge that it's going to be a lot of work. And you need to, you just need to own it and go for it. And pay that expense of actually getting it deep, deep, deep into your application's core values. So that then, you don't have to worry about it anymore. Otherwise, you're going to be paying – you're just basically signing up for a lifetime of debt. Right? WIL: Yeah. And then to make the debt analogy even more, it's like people don't understand the total debt. The end debt. People get a $30,000 loan with a 4% interest and they think they're paying back that $30,000 loan. But really, they're paying back $36,400 after all the amortization of their interest. The debt is higher than you can see, always. CHARLES: Right. WIL: And it's true in tech debt, too. React is the new hot thing now, but in 10 years we're going to be on React debt that we're migrating away from. JOE: I hope so. [Laughter] CHARLES: Maybe less, I think less than 10. WIL: Yeah. The debt is always there. And people don't realize how much they have to pay on top of what's visible. JOE: Yeah. It's an invisible vig. CHARLES: What's a vig? JOE: It's interest, in the mafia. CHARLES: Oh. JOE: Sorry. Yeah. CHARLES: I forgot you're Italian. JOE: Yeah. ELRICK: So, for people that are listening, they might be in a situation where they need to advocate to the powers that may be these X-first values. What do you all think that some of the approaches that they should take to say to whomever it is that, “We need to do this first”? Because there's times where you might say, “Hey, we need to do this first,” and people just look and say, “Oh, maybe not.” Then you need to push back on that. CHARLES: In my experience, I find that the tech debt argument is a good one. Because I think it can be, it's both limiting and empowering. Because sometimes it really is the right call to pull out your credit card and put something on it. If you need to buy water and you need to buy food and you don't have any other means, man, put it on the credit card. Right? Seriously. Even if you have no idea how you're going to pay it back. Like, whip that sucker out and stick the chip in. And it doesn't matter how much it costs. And so, sometimes that is the right call. But I think draining it of a moral or a value as a human person thing, and approaching it from a business decision and saying, really trying to attach a cost to it. Because then I think if you can drain out the emotion of it, because people really want something. They're striving to go get it and trying, give them tools to think about it rationally. That I think is a good strategy, to just say, let them know that there is a debt that's being paid here or that's being accumulated here. And it's really large. And maybe even say, “Look, if we were to put this off by six months, this might cost not twice as much. It might cost ten or even a hundred times as much.” So, by saving $5,000 now, you might actually be accumulating $50,000 worth of debt. It's [bigger] than you think. But I do like – so, I think that's one important tool. But I think then also the other important tool is to say, “If we are going to attack this, let's drive it home. Let's put it at the core. Let's make this a value that we hold so that the tree can take care of the fruit itself.” So, if we say that we're going to put in accessibility – because not all projects are greenfields. JOE: Absolutely not. CHARLES: So, what's the message to them? Sorry. You're just SOL. I think if you're a year into a project, two years into a project, and you realize, “Oh no. We need to do internationalization,” recognize that that might be something that's – that's a pillar of your architecture. Or, “We're going to make this application accessible,” don't half-ass it. WIL: Weave it in. CHARLES: Say, “We're going to transform this. We're not going to add accessibility. We're going to transform what we have into an accessible application.” Or, “We're going to transform what we have into a beautiful application.” Otherwise… WIL: Yeah [inaudible]. CHARLES: I would say leave it ugly and focus your efforts elsewhere on things where you do have your values straight. Because you're never going to have everything in line. JOE: No. WIL: Treat software like immutably. You don't add something to it. When you want to add accessibility, you're creating a whole new accessible app. ELRICK: Ooh. That's deep. CHARLES: Yeah. JOE: So, having seen – I don't know. I think it was very apt, looking at it as a business decision. I've seen it go the other way. Because at least among engineers and people on the technical side of it, this can become a very strong moral issue that people feel very strongly about. CHARLES: Because we have to live with the consequences quite honestly, right? JOE: Exactly. And that's a hard thing to translate to say an executive board that may be three levels abstracted away from you and is making those decisions. I've seen people attack or approach this I guess with that emotion built in, with the, “This is the right way to do it. Everybody else is doing it wrong.” It gets nowhere, basically. What needs to happen I think, so you talk about having this beautiful tree. But that also requires beautiful gardeners. And so, where the moral thing or the interpersonal thing comes in is there needs to be kind of an inclusive and encouraging environment that is fostered among the people tending to the tree. And that's a totally separate thing than selling the business value of it. Those things should be completely divorced. CHARLES: Yeah. It's funny. It's always hard to reconcile those two things, right? Because on one you have, “You have to take care of the raw consumption of material and the output of product.” But then also trying to – so, there's some baseline math that has to happen but making sure that that goal, it doesn't slice people. And can enable them to be happy and feel like they're doing good work. And that the things that they're doing is having meaning. It's probably an insoluble problem that we're going to be dancing around for as long as people are around. If there's one thing that we've come to recognize around here, and we've stated it many different ways from a bunch of different angles through the course of this conversation, and I would say through the course of this podcast, but that is if you want to see something in your software, make sure that you attack it from the get go. ELRICK: Intertwine it in your DNA. CHARLES: Exactly. And then you can actually experience the fruit, rather than trying to always, always trying to jam it and change it and get it into the taste you want after the fact. So, I guess that's it. Thank you so much y'all, for this conversation. I really, really enjoyed it. For those of y'all listening, if you want to continue the conversation, you can get in touch with us we are @TheFrontside on Twitter. Or you can drop us an email. We're contact@frontside.io. So, thanks Elrick. Thanks, Joe. Thanks, Will. JOE: Thank you. WIL: Thank you. ELRICK: Yup. It was great. JOE: It was fruitful. [Chuckles] ELRICK: Frontside-first. CHARLES: And well, we'll see y'all around.

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