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I've never highlighted a book as much as They're Not Gaslighting You: Ditch the Therapy Speak and Stop Hunting for Red Flags in Every Relationship.  It's my favorite book in 2025! Watch the Video Interview Author Dr. Isabelle Morley gives us a timely book that rejects the reckless proliferation of the following terms:  Sociopath Psychopath Love bomb Narcissist Boundaries Borderline Toxic Gaslighting Who is Dr. Isabelle Morley? Dr. Morley is not a chronic gaslighter trying to convince the world that she doesn't gaslight by writing a book about it. Here's her resume: Author of Navigating Intimacy and They're Not Gaslighting You Co-host of the podcast Romcom Rescue Contributor to Psychology Today Advisory Board Member of the Keepler app Founding Board Member of UCAN Member of the American Psychological Association Certified in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) The Gottman Method – Completed Levels 1 and 2 Relational Life Therapy – Completed Level 1 PsyD in Clinical Psychology from William James College, 2015 Doctoral project researching hookup culture's impact on relationship formation, 2015 Master's in Professional Psychology from William James College, 2013 Bachelor of Arts from Tufts University, 2011 My Fatima Story I dated a woman for two years. Let's call her Fatima. In the second half of our relationship, Fatima bombarded me with many of the highly charged and often misused words listed above. After she dumped me the fifth and final time, I finally pushed back on her barrage of accusations. I said to her, “So, you truly believe I'm a narcissist? Let's look up the clinical definition of a narcissist and see how I stack up.” She agreed. Perplexity wrote: To be clinically considered as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) according to the DSM-5, an individual must exhibit at least five out of nine specific characteristics. These characteristics, as summarized by the acronym “SPECIAL ME,” include: Sense of self-importance Exaggerating achievements and expecting to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements. Preoccupation Being preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Entitled Having unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations. Can only be around people who are important or special Believing that they are “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). Interpersonally exploitative Taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends. Arrogant Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Lack empathy Being unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. Must be admired Requiring excessive admiration. Envious Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them. These symptoms must be pervasive, apparent in various social situations, and consistently rigid over time. A qualified healthcare professional typically diagnoses NPD through a clinical interview. The traits should also substantially differ from social norms. I asked her how many of these nine characteristics I exhibited consistently, pervasively, and in many social situations. She agreed that I was nowhere near five of the nine. Admittedly, I sometimes exhibited some of these nine characteristics in my intimate relationship with Fatima. I'm certainly guilty of that. However, to qualify as a true narcissist, you must display at least five of these nine characteristics often and with most people, not just your partner. To her credit, my ex-girlfriend sheepishly backed down from that accusation, saying, “You're right, Francis, you're not a narcissist.” Later, I would educate her (or, as she would say, “mansplain”) about another of her favorite words: gaslighting. I mansplained by sending her a video clip of renowned couples therapist Dr. Julie Schwartz Gottman, who explained why standard disagreements and having different perspectives aren't gaslighting. Soon after explaining that, Mrs. Gottman explains why, in some ways, “everybody is narcissistic.” Watch 6 minutes from 1:35:30 to 1:41:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kPmiV0B34&t=5730s After listening to an expert define gaslighting, Fatima apologized for incorrectly using the term. This is what I loved about Fatima: she wouldn't stubbornly cling to her position when presented with compelling evidence to the contrary. This is a rare trait I cherish. Narcissists and sociopaths are about 1% of the population, so it's highly unlikely that all your exes are narcissists and sociopaths. Still, Fatima flung other popular, misused terms at me. She loved talking about “boundaries” and “red flags.” According to Dr. Morley, my ex “weaponized therapy speak.”   Dr. Morley writes, “It's not a new phenomenon for people to use therapy terms casually, even flippantly, to describe themselves or other people. How long have we referred to someone as a ‘psycho' when they're acting irrationally or being mean?” Although weaponized therapy speak isn't new, it's ubiquitous nowadays. Dr. Morley's book sounds the alarm that it's out of control and dangerous. Three types of people would benefit from Dr. Morley's book: People like Fatima: Does someone you know tend to denigrate people using therapy speak? Are they intelligent, rational, and open-minded like Fatima? If so, they must read this book to recalibrate how they use these powerful words. People like me: Are you (or someone you know) accused of being a psychopath, a gaslighter, or a person with OCD? Actual victims: The explosion of use of these powerful words has diluted their meaning. As a result, the real victims of narcissists and sociopaths are now belittled. Their true suffering is minimized when every other person has a sociopath in their life. Their grievances are severe. Let's not equate our relationship problems with their terror. I'll list some of my favorite chapter titles, which will give you a flavor of the book's message: Chapter 4: Are They Gaslighting You, or Do They Just Disagree? Chapter 5: Do They Have OCD, or Are They Just Particular? Chapter 6: Is It a Red Flag, or Are They Just Imperfect? Chapter 7: Are They a Narcissist, or Did They Just Hurt Your Feelings? Chapter 9: Are They a Sociopath, or Do They Just Like You Less Than you Like Them? Chapter 11: Did They Violate Your Boundaries, or Did They Just Not Know How You Felt? I will quote extensively to encourage everyone to buy Dr. Mosley's book. Most quotations are self-explanatory, but sometimes I will offer personal commentary. Excerpts The trend of weaponized therapy speak marks something very different. These days, clinical words are wielded, sincerely and self-righteously, to lay unilateral blame on one person in a relationship while excusing the other from any wrongdoing. ========== Many times, we use these words as protective measures to help us avoid abusive partners and reduce our risk of “wasting” time or emotional energy on family or friends who don't deserve it. But using these terms can also absolve people from taking responsibility for their actions in their relationships. They can say, “I had to do that because of my obsessive-compulsive disorder” or “We didn't work out because she's a narcissist,” instead of doing the hard work of seeing their part in the problem and addressing the issues behind it. As a couples therapist, I'm particularly concerned with how the enthusiastic but inaccurate embrace of clinical terminology has made it harder to sustain healthy romantic attachments. With Fatima, our relationship woes were always my fault because I crossed her “boundaries” and I was a “narcissist.” If I disagreed, I was “gaslighting” her. Or I was being “defensive” instead of apologizing. And when I apologized, I did so incorrectly because I offered excuses after saying I'm sorry (she was right about that). The point is that she used weaponized therapy speak to demonize me, alleviating herself from the burden of considering that perhaps she shared some of the responsibility for our woes. ========== Their friend doesn't agree with their warped view of an event or their disproportionate reaction? The friend is an empathy-lacking narcissist who is actively gaslighting them. ========== In one memorable session of mine, a client managed to accuse their partner of narcissism, gaslighting, love bombing, blaming the victim, lacking accountability, having no empathy, and being generally abusive, manipulative, and toxic . . . all within twenty minutes. Although Fatima and I went to couples therapy, I don't remember Dr. Mosley being our facilitator, but that sure sounds like Fatima! LOL! ========== I'm certified in emotionally focused couples therapy (EFCT), which is a type of couples therapy based on attachment theory. ========== For example, if you feel like a failure for letting your partner down, you might immediately minimize your partner's feelings and tell them they shouldn't react so strongly to such a small issue. (For anyone wondering, this isn't gaslighting.) That makes them feel unheard and unimportant, so they get even more upset, which makes you dismiss their reaction as dramatic, and round and round it goes. Welcome to my world with Fatima! ========== You could claim your partner is toxic and borderline because they're emotionally volatile and unforgiving. You could say their feelings are disproportionate to the problem, and their verbal assault is bordering on abusive. But your partner could say that you are a narcissist who is gaslighting them by refusing to acknowledge their feelings, showing no empathy for the distress your tardiness caused, and shifting the blame to them (just like a narcissist would!). You'd both be wrong, of course, but you can see how these conclusions could happen. ========== Weaponized therapy speak is our attempt to understand people and situations in our lives, yes, but it is also a strategy to avoid responsibility. It puts the blame solely on the other person and allows us to ignore our part. ========== However, the vast majority of partners and friends are not sociopaths, narcissists, or abusers. They're just flawed. They're insecure, demanding, controlling, emotional, or any number of adjectives, but these traits alone aren't pathological. ========== But doing such things now and then in our relational histories, or doing them often in just one relationship, doesn't mean we have a personality disorder. These diagnoses are reserved for people who exhibit a persistent pattern of maladaptive behaviors in most or all of their close relationships. ========== I wasn't an abusive partner. I was a messy newcomer to relationships, as we usually are in our teens and twenties, trying my best to navigate my feelings while following bad examples from television and making plenty of other blunders along the way. Stonewalling was immature and an unhelpful way of coping, but it wasn't abuse. ========== If we're looking for a partner who will always do the right thing, even in the hardest moments, we're only setting ourselves up for disappointment. As I mentioned before, really good people can behave really badly. ========== If we don't know the difference between abusive behavior and normal problematic behavior, we're at risk for either accepting abuse (thinking that it's just a hard time) or, alternatively, throwing away a perfectly good relationship because we can't accept any flaws or mistakes. Alas, Fatima threw away a perfectly good relationship. I was her second boyfriend. Her lack of experience made her underappreciate what we had. She'll figure it out with the next guy. ========== Disagreeing with someone, thinking your loved one is objectively wrong, arguing about what really happened and what was actually said, trying to find your way to the one and only “truth”—these are things that most people do. They are not helpful or effective, but they also are not gaslighting. ========== “What? I didn't say yes to seeing it, Cece. I said yes to finding houses we both liked and visiting them. Sometimes you just hear what you want to and then get mad at me when you realize it's not what I actually said,” Meg answers. “Stop gaslighting me! Don't tell me what happened. I remember exactly what you said! You told me yes to this open house and then changed your mind, and I'm upset about it. I'm allowed to be upset about it; don't invalidate my feelings!” Cece says, her frustration growing. Meg feels surprised and nervous. She didn't think she was gaslighting Cece, which is exactly what she says. “I didn't mean to gaslight you. I just remember this differently. I don't remember saying I would go to this open house, so that's why I don't understand why you're this upset.” “Yes, you are gaslighting me because you're trying to convince me that what I clearly remember happening didn't happen. But you can't gaslight me because I'm positive I'm right.” ========== Cece's accusation of gaslighting quickly shut down the conversation, labeling Meg as a terrible partner and allowing Cece to exit the conversation as the victor. ========== I find gaslighting to be one of the harder labels to deal with in my clinical work for three reasons: 1. Accusations of gaslighting are incredibly common. I hear accusations of gaslighting at least once a week, and yet it's only been accurate about five times in my entire clinical career. Boyfriend didn't agree with what time you were meeting for dinner? Gaslighting. Spouse said you didn't tell them to pick up milk on the way home, but you swear you did? Gaslighting. ========== You could say, “I want you to know that I really understand your perspective on this. I see things differently, but your experience is valid, and it makes sense. I'm not trying to convince you that you're wrong and I'm right, and I'm sorry if I came across that way.” WHAT IS VALIDATION? Validation is another word that suffers from frequent misuse. People demand validation, but what they're really asking for is agreement. And if someone doesn't agree, they call it toxic. Here's the thing, though: Validation is not the same as agreement. ========== You can disagree in your head but still validate how they feel: “Hey, you're not crazy. I see why you'd feel that way. It makes sense to me. I'd probably feel that way too if I were in your shoes, experiencing our interaction the way you did. I care about your feelings.” ========== “I bet it felt really awful to have me challenge your experience and make you feel like it wasn't right or valid.” I regret I learned this lesson too late with Fatima. I was too slow to validate her feelings. We learn something in every relationship. Ideally, our partner is patient with us as we stumble through the learning process, often repeating the same error until we form a new habit. However, Fatima ran out of patience with me. I couldn't change fast enough for her, even though I was eager to learn and dying to please her. By the time I began to learn about proper validation and apologies, she had given up on me. ========== My husband, Lucas, hates it when lids aren't properly put on jars. You know, when a lid is half on and still loose or haphazardly tightened and askew? I, on the other hand, could not care less. I am the only perpetrator of putting lids on wrong in our house. I barely screw on the top to the pickles, peanut butter, medications, water bottles, or food storage containers. I don't even realize that I do it because I care so little about it. This drives Lucas absolutely crazy. I love this example because it's what I would repeatedly tell Fatima: some habits are hard to break. Dr. Mosley knows her husband hates half-closed jars, but she struggles to comply with his wishes. We're imperfect creatures. ========== Is your partner always leaving a wet towel on the floor after showering? Red flag—they're irresponsible and will expect you to clean up after them. Is your friend bad at texting to let you know when they're behind schedule? Red flag—they're selfish, inconsiderate, and don't value your time. It's all too easy to weaponize this term in a relationship, in hopes that it will shame the other person into changing. ========== People aren't perfect. Individually, we're messy, and in relationships, we're much messier. We all make mistakes, sometimes repeatedly for our entire lives. Instead of labeling all unwanted behaviors as red flags and expecting change or running away altogether, try a new approach: Identify why those behaviors hurt you and share that with your loved one instead. ========== When confronted with the knowledge that we've hurt someone, many of us become defensive. We hate the idea of hurting the person we love and since we usually didn't intend to hurt them, we start explaining why our actions weren't that bad and why they shouldn't feel upset. It comes from a place of inadequacy, self-criticism, and remorse. If the other person responds like this but you can tell they care about your pain, this may be a good time to give them some grace in the form of empathy and time. Wait a few hours or even a few days, then try the conversation again. For every criticism I had about Fatima's behavior, she had 20 criticisms about my behavior. As a result, I had many more opportunities to fall into the trap of becoming defensive. It's so hard to resist. I'm still working on that front. ========== We all have a touch of narcissism, which can get bigger at certain points in life, ========== Conflicts are upsetting, and we've all developed ways of protecting ourselves, whether it's getting loud to be heard or emotionally withdrawing to prevent a panic attack. Underneath these less-than-ideal responses, though, we feel awful. We feel scared, insecure, inadequate, unimportant, and alone. We hate fighting with our loved ones, and we really hate that we've hurt them, especially unknowingly. We're not being defensive because we have a narcissistic belief in our own superiority; we're doing it because we're terrified that the person won't understand us and will see us negatively, so we need to show them our side and explain to them why we aren't to blame. ========== But whether it's an inflated ego, vanity, self-absorption, or just unusually healthy confidence, these traits do not make a narcissist. To have NPD, the person must also require external validation and admiration, and to be seen as superior to others. This is the difference between a big ego and grandiosity. Grandiosity goes several steps beyond confidence—it's a near-delusional sense of importance, where someone exaggerates their achievements and expects others to see them as superior. ========== Some people suck. They're immature, mean, selfish, and unremorseful. Some people don't respect other people in their lives. They lie and they cheat, and they don't care that it hurts others. But they can be all these things and still not be a narcissist. There's a lot of room for people to be awful without meeting the criteria for a personality disorder, and that's because (you guessed it!) people are flawed. Some people feel justified in behaving badly, while others just don't know any better yet. Our growth is messy and not linear. ========== The reality is that anyone who genuinely worries that they are a narcissist, probably isn't. That level of openness and willingness to self-reflect is not typical of a narcissist. Plus, narcissists don't tend to believe or care that they've hurt others, whereas my clients are deeply distressed by the possibility that they've unknowingly caused others pain. ========== As with gaslighting, I have rarely seen people accurately diagnose narcissism. To put it bluntly, I have never seen a client in a couples therapy session call their partner a narcissist and be right. In fact, the person misusing the label usually tends to be more narcissistic and have more therapy work to do than their partner. ========== person involved with a narcissist to accurately identify the disorder because people with NPD are great at making other people think they are the problem. It's an insidious process, and rarely do people realize what's happening until others point it out to them or the narcissist harshly devalues or leaves them. Now, you might be in a relationship with someone who has NPD, but instead of jumping to “narcissist!” it's helpful to use other adjectives and be more specific about your concerns. Saying that a certain behavior was selfish or that a person seems unremorseful is more exact than calling them a narcissist. ========== Love bombing can happen at any point in a relationship, but it's most often seen at the start. ========== Love bombing is also a typical follow-up to fights. ========== Humans are a complicated species. Despite our amazing cognitive capacities and our innate desire to be good (well, most of us anyway), we often cause harm. People act in ways that can damage their relationships, both intentionally and unknowingly, but that doesn't make them sociopaths. In fact, anyone in a close and meaningful relationship will end up hurting the other person and will also end up getting hurt at some point because close relationships inevitably involve a degree of pain, be it disappointment, sadness, anger, or frustration. Even when we're doing our best, we hurt each other. We can't equate normal missteps and hurt with sociopathy. ========== People love to call their exes sociopaths, just like they love calling them narcissists. Dr. Mosley focuses on the term sociopath because it's more popular nowadays than the term psychopath, but they both suffer from misuse and overuse, she says. If your partner (or you) use the term psychopath often, then in the following excerpts, replace the word “sociopath” with “psychopath.” ========== calling someone a sociopath is extreme. You're calling them out as a human who has an underdeveloped (or nonexistent) capacity to be a law-abiding, respectful, moral member of society. And in doing so, you're saying they were the entire problem in your relationship. Unless you were with a person who displayed a variety of extreme behaviors that qualify as ASPD, that conclusion isn't fair, accurate, or serving you. Again, you're missing out on the opportunity to reflect on your part in the problem, examine how you could have been more effective in the relationship, and identify how you can change for the better in your next relationship. If you label your ex a sociopath and call it a day, you're cutting yourself short. ========== Let the record show that I have never seen someone use the term sociopath correctly in their relationship. ========== some boundaries are universal and uncrossable, but the majority are personal preferences that need to be expressed and, at times, negotiated. Claiming a boundary violation is a quick and easy way to control someone's behavior, and that's why it's important to clarify what this phrase means and how to healthily navigate boundaries in a relationship. Fatima loved to remind me of and enforce her “boundaries.” It was a long list, so I inevitably crossed them, which led to drama. ========== There are some boundaries we all agree are important and should be uncrossable—I call these universal boundaries. Violating universal boundaries, especially when done repeatedly without remorse or regard for the impact it has on the other person, amounts to abuse. ========== The main [universal boundaries] are emotional, physical, sexual, and financial boundaries ========== Outside of these universal, uncrossable boundaries, there are also individual boundaries. Rather than applying to all people, these boundaries are specific to the person and defined by their own preferences and needs. As such, they are flexible, fluid over time, and full of nuance. If they are crossed, it can be uncomfortable, but it isn't necessarily abuse. ========== boundary is a line drawn to ensure safety and autonomy, whereas a preference is something that would make you feel happy but is not integral to your sense of relational security or independence. ========== While a well-adjusted person might start a dialogue about how to negotiate an individual boundary in a way that honors both partners' needs, an abusive person will never consider if their boundary can be shifted or why it might be damaging or significantly limiting to the other person. Instead, they will accuse, blame, and manipulate their partner as their way of keeping that person within their controlling limits. ========== The point is that as we go through life, our boundaries shift. As you can see, this is part of what makes it difficult for people to anticipate or assess boundary violations. If you expect and demand that the people close to you honor your specific boundaries on certain topics, but you're not telling them what the boundaries are or when and how they've changed, you're setting your loved ones up for failure. ========== And again, people unknowingly cross each other's individual boundaries all the time. It's simply inevitable. ========== It will create an unnecessary and unproductive rift. 3. We Mistake Preferences for Boundaries Boundaries protect our needs for safety and security. Preferences promote feelings of happiness, pleasure, or calm. When someone crosses a boundary, it compromises our physical or mental health. When someone disregards a preference, we may feel annoyed, but it doesn't pose a risk to our well-being. ========== You've Been Accused of Violating a Boundary If you're in a close relationship, chances are you're going to violate the other person's boundaries at some point. This is especially likely if the person has not told you what boundaries are important to them. However, you might also be unjustly accused of violating a boundary, perhaps a boundary you didn't know about or a preference masquerading as a boundary, and you'll need to know what to do. ========== I never thought of telling Fatima that she was “borderline.” It helps that I didn't know what the term meant. Dr. Mosley says that a person must have several of the “borderline” characteristics to have borderline personality disorder (BPD). Fatima only had one of them, so she did not have BPD. Here's the only BPD trait she exhibited: Stormy, intense, and chaotic relationships: Have relationships that tend to be characterized by extremes of idealization and devaluation in which the person with BPD idolizes someone one moment and then vilifies them the next. Because they struggle to see others in a consistent and nuanced way, their relationships go through tumultuous ups and downs, where they desire intense closeness one minute and then reject the person the next. Fatima promised me, “I will love you forever,” “I want to marry you,” “I will be with you until death,” “I'll never leave you,” and other similar extreme promises. Three days later, she would dump me and tell me she never wanted to get back together. Two days later, she apologized and wanted to reunite. Soon, she would be making her over-the-top romantic declarations again. She'd write them and say them repeatedly, not just while making love. Eventually, I'd fuck up again. Instead of collaborating to prevent further fuck ups, Fatima would simply break up with me with little to no discussion. This would naturally make me question her sincerity when she repeatedly made her I-will-be-with-you-forever promises. You might wonder why I was so fucking stupid to reunite with her after she did that a couple of times. Why did I always beg her to reconsider and reunite with me even after we repeated the pattern four times? (The fifth time she dumped me was the last time.) Humans are messy. I expect imperfection. I know my loved one will repeatedly do stupid shit because I sure will. So, I forgave her knee-jerk breakup reaction because I knew she didn't do it out of malice. She did it to protect herself. She was in pain. She thought that pulling the plug would halt the pain. That's reasonable but wrong. That doesn't matter. She's learning, I figured. I need to be patient. I was hopeful we'd break the pattern and learn how to deal with conflict maturely. We didn't. I'm confident she'll figure it out soon, just like I learned from my mistakes with her. ========== If I had to pick one word to describe people with BPD, it would be unstable. Fatima was unstable in a narrow situation: only with one person (me) and only when the shit hit the fan with me. Aside from that, she was highly stable. Hence, it would have been ludicrous if I accused her of having Borderline Personality Disorder. Luckily, I never knew the overused borderline term; even if I did, I wouldn't be tempted to use it on her. ========== Just as with red flags, we all exhibit some toxic behaviors at times. I don't know anyone who has lived a toxic-free existence. Sometimes we go through tough phases where our communication and coping skills are down, and we'll act more toxically than we might normally; this doesn't make us a toxic person. Indeed, many romantic relationships go through toxic episodes, if you will (should we make “toxic episode” a thing?), where people aren't communicating well, are escalating conflicts, and are generally behaving badly. We need to normalize a certain level of temporary or situational toxicity while also specifying what we mean by saying “toxic.” This is the only way we can determine whether the relationship needs help or needs ending. ========== trauma is itself a heavy, often misunderstood word. Its original meaning referenced what we now call “big T” trauma: life-threatening events such as going to war or surviving a car crash. Nowadays, we also talk about “little t” trauma: events that cause significant distress but aren't truly life-threatening, like being bullied in school or having an emotionally inconsistent parent. ========== Avoiding relationships with anyone who triggers hard feelings will mean a very lonely existence. ========== a trauma bond is the connection that survivors feel with their abuser. ========== A captured soldier who defends his captors? That person is, in fact, trauma bonded. ========== soldiers aren't trauma bonded after going to war together; they're socially bonded, albeit in an unusually deep way. A captured soldier who defends his captors? That person is, in fact, trauma bonded. ========== None of us get to have a happy relationship without hard times and hard work. It's normal and okay to sometimes struggle with the person you're close to or love. When the struggle happens, don't despair. Within the struggle are opportunities to invest in the relationship and grow, individually and together. ========== If you determine your relationship is in a tough spot but not abusive, now's the time for some hard relational work. A good cocktail for working on your relationship is specificity, vulnerability, and commitment. ========== Making a relationship work requires you and your loved ones to self-reflect, take responsibility, and change. This process won't just happen once; it's a constant cycle you'll go through repeatedly over the course of the relationship. You'll both need to look at yourselves, own what you've done wrong or could do better, and work to improve. Nobody is ever finished learning and growing, not individually and certainly not in a relationship. But that's what can be so great about being in a relationship: It's a never-ending opportunity to become a better person. And when you mess up (because trust me, you will), be kind to yourself. As I keep saying, humans are wonderfully imperfect. Even when we know what to do, sometimes we just don't or can't do it. ========== In this world of messy humans, how do you know who will be a good person for you to be with? My answer: Choose someone who wants to keep doing the work with you. There is no perfect person or partner for you, no magical human that won't ever hurt, irritate, enrage, or overwhelm you. Being in close relationships inevitably leads to big, scary feelings at times, so pick someone who wants to get through the dark times with you. Remember that when people are behaving badly in a desperate attempt to connect—not control—they'll be able to look at themselves, recognize the bad behavior, and change. Pick someone who has the willingness to self-reflect and grow, even if it's hard. Someone who will hang in there, even during your worst fights, and ultimately say, “Listen, this is awful, and I don't want to keep arguing like this, but I love you and I want to figure this out with you.” Wow. So well said. And this, in a paragraph, explains where Fatima and I failed. I dislike pointing fingers at my ex when explaining why we broke up. I made 90% of the mistakes in my relationship with Fatima, so I bear most of the responsibility. However, Fatima was the weaker one on one metric: having someone who wants to collaborate to make a beautiful relationship despite the hardships. The evident proof is that she dumped me five times, whereas I never dumped her or even threatened to dump her. I always wanted to use our problems as a chance to learn and improve. Fatima used them as an excuse to quit. She tried. She really did. However, she lacked the commitment Dr. Mosley discussed in that paragraph. Perhaps another man will inspire Fatima to find the strength and courage to bounce back and not throw in the towel. Or maybe she will mature and evolve to a point where she can be with someone less compatible than I was for her. She would often declare, “Francis, we're incompatible.” I'd say, “No, we are compatible; we have incompatibilities. Everyone has incompatibilities. We just need to work through them. If there is a willingness to collaborate, we can solve any incompatibility. The only couples who are truly incompatible are the ones where one or both individuals refuse to budge or learn. We can overcome countless incompatibilities as long as we both want to be together.” ========== We have wounds and scars and bad habits. We rely on ineffective but protective coping mechanisms. We push others away when we're hurt or scared. ========== Everyone behaves badly sometimes. But even then, odds are they're not gaslighting you. Conclusion I'll repeat: They're Not Gaslighting You: Ditch the Therapy Speak and Stop Hunting for Red Flags in Every Relationship is my favorite book in 2025! Buy it! Feedback Leave anonymous audio feedback at SpeakPipe More info You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at http://wanderlearn.com. If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!  On social media, my username is always FTapon. Connect with me on: Facebook Twitter YouTube Instagram TikTok LinkedIn Pinterest Tumblr My Patrons sponsored this show! Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron at http://Patreon.com/FTapon Rewards start at just $2/month! 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In this thought-provoking episode of the Secret Life Podcast, host Brianne Davis-Gantt explores the complex and often misunderstood realm of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) and highly functioning sociopaths. With a candid and engaging approach, Brianne delves into the traits that define these individuals, highlighting how they may seamlessly blend into society while harboring a lack of empathy and moral disregard.Throughout the episode, Brianne shares fascinating insights and real-life examples, emphasizing that many people with ASPD are not the violent criminals often portrayed in media but rather everyday individuals who manipulate and exploit for personal gain. She discusses the importance of recognizing the signs of this disorder, such as impulsivity, charm, and a troubling disregard for the feelings of others.Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the origins of ASPD, including the role of childhood trauma and environmental factors in its development. Brianne offers practical advice for those who may be in relationships with someone exhibiting these traits, emphasizing the need for strong communication and self-awareness to navigate the complexities of such dynamics.This episode serves as a crucial reminder that while the journey of understanding and connecting with individuals with ASPD can be challenging, it is not impossible. Tune in to uncover the layers of this often-hidden disorder and learn how to foster meaningful connections, even in the face of adversity._____If you or anyone you know is struggling with addiction, depression, trauma, sexual abuse or feeling overwhelmed, we've compiled a list of resources at secretlifepodcast.com______To share your secret and be a guest on the show email secretlifepodcast@icloud.com_____SECRET LIFE'S TOPICS INCLUDE:addiction recovery, mental health, alcoholism, drug addiction, sex addiction, love addiction, OCD, ADHD, dyslexia, eating disorders, debt & money issues, anorexia, depression, shoplifting,  molestation, sexual assault, trauma, relationships, self-love, friendships, community, secrets, self-care, courage, freedom, and happiness._____Create and Host Your Podcast with the same host we use - RedCircle_____Get your copy of SECRET LIFE OF A HOLLYWOOD SEX & LOVE ADDICT -- Secret Life Novel or on Amazon______HOW CAN I SUPPORT THE SHOW?Tell Your Friends & Share Online!Follow, Rate & Review: Apple Podcasts | SpotifyFollow & Listen iHeart | Stitcher | Google Podcasts | Amazon | PandoraSpread the word via social mediaInstagramTwitterFacebook#SecretLifePodcastDonate - You can also support the show with a one-time or monthly donation via PayPal (make payment to secretlifepodcast@icloud.com) or at our WEBSITE.Connect with Brianne Davis-Gantt (@thebriannedavis)Official WebsiteBrianne's Coaching WebsiteInstagramFacebookTwitterConnect with Mark Gantt (@markgantt)Main WebsiteDirecting WebsiteMark Gantt Coaching WebsiteInstagramFacebookTwitterSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/secret-life/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

EPISÓDIO 36: https://youtu.be/Zg7XSP59U9EEPISÓDIO 82: https://youtu.be/gYl0gCblEOQVocê já se perguntou por que certas situações parecem se repetir na sua vida? Por que alguns relacionamentos fluem naturalmente, enquanto outros são repletos de conflitos e desafios? A resposta pode estar em uma força sutil, mas extremamente poderosa: o Karma. Neste episódio revelador, mergulhamos fundo na essência oculta do karma, explorando seus quatro níveis principais: karma espiritual, mental, emocional e material.Ao contrário do que muitos pensam, o karma não é uma força punitiva ou um destino imutável. Ele é um campo de aprendizado, um espelho que reflete de volta tudo o que carregamos em nosso interior. Se você sente que está preso em padrões repetitivos, relações tóxicas ou situações financeiras difíceis, talvez seja a hora de entender como o karma realmente funciona e, mais importante, como você pode transcendê-lo.O que você vai aprender neste episódio:O que é o Karma de verdade: Além da visão superficial da causa e efeito.Como identificar os 4 níveis do Karma: Espiritual, mental, emocional e material.Estratégias para quebrar a roda kármica: Saindo dos padrões repetitivos.O papel das crenças inconscientes: Como elas moldam sua realidade física e emocional.Técnicas para transcender o Karma: Como desenvolver uma consciência plena para transformar sua vida.Muitos acreditam que o karma é um destino inevitável, mas a verdade é que ele pode ser transformado. Neste episódio, mostramos como usar o conhecimento kármico para desbloquear uma nova forma de viver — mais livre, mais consciente e alinhada com o propósito da sua alma.O Karma não é um destino; é um professor. E quando a lição é aprendida, o ciclo se encerra.Então, se você está pronto para descobrir como quebrar os ciclos kármicos que te aprisionam, assista agora!

Cherry shares her personal experiences with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), including her childhood behaviours, family history of personality disorders, and the impact of trauma. She explains the misconceptions about ASPD, the importance of group therapy, and the unique but challenging emotional connections that individuals with ASPD can form. Cherry reflects on past actions, including regretful schemes against peers. Cherry shares her aspirations, including her dream job in real estate and her recent book, 'Charmed Life,' which explores themes of sociopathy and relationships.You can follow Cherry on TikTok @thatplasticgirl on Instagram @cherrycrushxoPurchase Cherry's book ‘Charmed Life' here https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DL3PBYS9?ref_=pe_93986420_774957520TOPICS IN THIS EPISODE INCLUDE cluster b personality disorders, Narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, depression, anxietyPlease go to www.bunnyhugspodcast.com to find all my social media links, merch store, my children's book, buy me a coffee and more! Bunny Hugs and Mental Health is currently on the Top Ten Best Canadian Mental Health Podcasts list! And the Top 100 Best Mental Health Podcasts on the internet!Follow this other great Canadian podcastHard Knox Talks Please donate to Cornwall Alternative School hereAnd a big thank you to Carey Hyndman!

Today, Ali and Asif discuss the career of comedian Anthony Jeselnik and his special ‘Bones and All' (1:54). They discuss his early life, when they first saw him (Ali actually met him person!) and an insightful interview with Jeselnik in ‘Cracked Magazine'. They discuss Jeselnik's success as well as his admiration for Norm MacDonald.    The guys then discuss (31:31) psychopathy and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) (NB Jeselnik does a dark character on stage, but does not have psychopathy or ASPD). Asif starts off with ASPD and discusses what it is and about how conduct disorder in childhood is related. Asif talks about how common it is and the prevalence in the prison population. Asif goes over the diagnostic criteria as well as the treatment and prognosis. Asif then briefly discusses how psychopathy is slightly different and also discusses the concept of ‘corporate psychopaths'.    The opinions expressed are those of the hosts, and do not reflect those of any other organizations. This podcast and website represents the opinions of the hosts. The content here should not be taken as medical advice. The content here is for entertainment and informational purposes only, and because each person is so unique, please consult your healthcare professional for any medical questions.   Music courtesy of Wataboi and 8er41 from Pixabay   Contact us at doctorvcomedian@gmail.com   Follow us on Social media: Twitter: @doctorvcomedian Instagram: doctorvcomedian   Show Notes: Anthony Jeselnik Is Evolving. But He's Not Losing His Edge: https://www.cracked.com/article_44517_anthony-jeselnik-is-evolving-but-hes-not-losing-his-edge.html Anthony Jeselnik Attacks Modern Comedians: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3W-VCMzXhM8?feature=share Antisocial Personality Disorder: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673/ What is the difference between sociopathy and psychopathy? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/psychopath-vs-sociopath#psychopathy Psychopathic, Sociopathic, or Antisocial Personality? https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/tyrannical-minds/201907/psychopathic-sociopathic-or-antisocial-personality

Xannie and Katja are joined by Kylee  @KyleeRackam  and Jake  @antisocialtheatre  to share impactful relationship stories and how they impact those with personality disorders, focusing on borderline personality disorder (BPD), narcissistic, personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), and schizotypical personality disorder (STPD). Building on our conversation from Wednesday's episode ( https://open.spotify.com/episode/6QaZrKZXKn83nyiLnz8v1F?si=M8Cy9-qmSaKaBYDJrMRWVg ), and Friday's episode ( https://open.spotify.com/episode/5pkuGE4t8aZ7u4tk7nYzvA?si=g8VdXOIuRpqHO_dbNfDhVQ ) the bunch open up about the relationships that transformed their understandings of themselves. Whether you're navigating your own journey with BPD or supporting someone who is, this conversation is vital for understanding and healing. Don't miss out on the truths that could change perceptions and foster empathy. Find more from Kylee:  @KyleeRackam  https://www.instagram.com/kyleerackam_ https://www.tiktok.com/@UClfU4D90xfhPJJqqxjP0wBQ https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554776421760 Find more from Jake:  @antisocialtheatre  https://www.instagram.com/antisocialtheatre Come back on Friday as we continue this topic, with a discussion on personality disorder stigma, and Sunday, as we wrap up this topic sharing stories of important relationships that have taught us something about our PDs. Nov 20th we'll be back with a new discussion topic, BPD at Work. Can't wait until then? Sign up for our "BPD Buddies" or "BPD Besties" tiers on Patreon to get early access to an exclusive extended cut of next week's episode NOW! https://www.patreon.com/thebpdbunch

Can the labels we wear change the way we see ourselves and each other? In this episode, Xannie and Katja are joined by Kylee and Jake to discuss societal stigma surrounding personality disorders, focusing on borderline personality disorder (BPD), narcissistic, personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), and schizotypical personality disorder (STPD). Building on our conversation from Wednesday's episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MbChkoc1HI), the bunch share their experiences with stigma, with subtopics including: media presentations of personality disorders, romanticizing PDs, and the disparity in tone used to talk about different PDs. Whether you're navigating your own journey with BPD or supporting someone who is, this conversation is vital for understanding and healing. Don't miss out on the truths that could change perceptions and foster empathy.Find more from Kylee: @KyleeRackam https://www.instagram.com/kyleerackam_https://www.tiktok.com/@UClfU4D90xfhPJJqqxjP0wBQ https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554776421760Find more from Jake: @antisocialtheatre https://www.instagram.com/antisocialtheatreCome back on Friday as we continue this topic, with a discussion on personality disorder stigma, and Sunday, as we wrap up this topic sharing stories of important relationships that have taught us something about our PDs. Nov 20th we'll be back with a new discussion topic, BPD at Work. Can't wait until then? Sign up for our "BPD Buddies" or "BPD Besties" tiers on Patreon to get early access to an exclusive extended cut of next week's episode NOW! https://www.patreon.com/thebpdbunch

Are the terms "psychopath" and "sociopath" interchangeable? Are people suffering from Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) naturally violent? Are people usually born with these psychopathy, sociopathy, ASPD, or other similar personality disorders; or are they caused by environmental factors? To what extent do sociopaths have a sense of self or relatively fixed personality? Are sociopaths easily manipulated? How do shame and guilt differ? What is "gray rage"? To what extent do the primary "dark" personality traits (narcissism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and sadism) overlap? From an evolutionary perspective, why might these traits appear in a population? Can (and should) people cooperate altruistically with sociopaths? Why do we treat crimes of passion less harshly than premeditated crimes? (For example, why do people found guilty of sudden, impulsive murder usually receive lighter sentences than people found guilty of premeditated murder?) Are sociopaths more or less impulsive than the average person? How prevalent are antisocial personality disorders? Are sociopaths more likely to commit crimes than the average person? What factors motivate the average person to avoid unethical behaviors, and which of these factors do sociopaths lack? Do sociopaths lie about the same kinds of things as "normies"? Do sociopaths naturally enjoy hurting other people? Are sociopaths able to feel happiness? How do sociopaths' sexual behaviors and orientations differ from normies'? Since the majority of violent crime in the world is perpetrated by young men, is the average young man basically a sociopath or psychopath? How easily can sociopaths identify one another? If someone thinks they might be a sociopath (or have any of the other "dark" personality traits), what should they do? How should sociopaths be integrated into society?M.E. Thomas is a practicing attorney who has advocated for equal rights and a better understanding of psychopaths since being diagnosed with psychopathy in 2010. She is the author of the book Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding in Plain Sight. You can find her at sociopathworld.com.Further reading:PsychopathyIsStaffSpencer Greenberg — Host / DirectorJosh Castle — ProducerRyan Kessler — Audio EngineerUri Bram — FactotumWeAmplify — TranscriptionistsMusicBroke for FreeJosh WoodwardLee RosevereQuiet Music for Tiny Robotswowamusiczapsplat.comAffiliatesClearer ThinkingGuidedTrackMind EasePositlyUpLift[Read more]

When you're living with both BPD and another personality disorder, the world can feel overwhelming—like you're constantly navigating a maze with no clear way out. In this episode, Xannie and Katja are joined by guests Kylee and Jake to explore the complex and often misunderstood experience of living with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) alongside another personality disorder. Our guests open up about the unique challenges of managing multiple diagnoses, from navigating different forms of self expression to building relationships with others who may not fully understand their struggles. We'll explore how these overlapping disorders impact day-to-day life, mental health, and relationships, offering honest insights for coping. Whether you're living with BPD, another personality disorder, or you support someone who is, this episode is packed with valuable perspectives and tips for managing your mental health journey. Find more from Kylee: @KyleeRackam  https://www.instagram.com/kyleerackam_https://www.tiktok.com/ @KyleeRackam  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554776421760 Find more from Jake: @antisocialtheatre  https://www.instagram.com/antisocialtheatre Come back on Friday as we continue this topic, with a discussion on personality disorder stigma, and Sunday, as we wrap up this topic sharing stories of important relationships that have taught us something about our PDs. Nov 20th we'll be back with a new discussion on dealing with BPD at work! Can't wait until then? Sign up for our "BPD Buddies" or "BPD Besties" tiers on Patreon to get early access to an exclusive extended cut of next week's episode NOW! https://www.patreon.com/thebpdbunch

Neste episódio, exploramos a essência do Xintoísmo, o antigo sistema de crenças japonês que nos ensina a ver o sagrado em cada aspecto da vida. Essa filosofia nos lembra que o divino está presente em tudo, desde as maiores montanhas até as menores pedras, reforçando a profunda conexão entre o nosso mundo interior e a realidade ao nosso redor. Ao purificar nossos pensamentos e palavras, alinhamos nossa essência ao que é positivo e divino, como ensinamos em A Saída é Para Dentro (ASPD), criando, assim, um espaço interno mais leve e em harmonia.O Xintoísmo também introduz o conceito de kotodama, o poder espiritual das palavras, que ressoa com a importância de nutrir um diálogo interno positivo. No Xintoísmo, cada palavra e pensamento possuem uma energia que molda nossa experiência. Esse poder espiritual, que praticamos em nossos treinamentos de autoconhecimento, é como uma frequência que escolhemos diariamente. Ao purificar essa linguagem, sintonizamos nossa mente com as melhores vibrações para nossa vida, construindo um espaço onde o nosso potencial pode florescer.A conexão entre o Xintoísmo e ASPD mostra que toda transformação começa dentro de nós. Quando mudamos o nosso diálogo interno, vemos mudanças em nossas experiências e na forma como interagimos com o mundo. Cada pensamento positivo é uma escolha consciente, uma "semente" que plantamos em nossa vida para que ela floresça. Então, por que não começar agora a cultivar o seu mundo interno e experimentar a beleza do divino em tudo ao seu redor? Conheça o Saída Para Dentro: https://www.asaidaeparadentro.com/ Conheça o B.E.M: https://www.bemschool.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fernandoreis.bem/?hl=pt

The Intersection of High Conflict Personalities and Domestic ViolenceIn this compelling episode, Bill Eddy and Megan Hunter dive into the complex relationship between high conflict personalities and domestic violence. They explore how individuals who have borderline personality disorder (BPD) and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) may contribute to intimate partner violence (IPV), while emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between high conflict families and domestic violence cases.Bill and Megan discuss the challenges faced by professionals in identifying the true perpetrator in a domestic violence situation, as well as the underlying fears and motivations that may drive abusive behavior in individuals with these personality types. They also address the issue of accountability and the potential benefits of group therapy for individuals who have BPD.Questions we answer in this episode:How do high conflict personalities relate to domestic violence?What role do individuals who have BPD and ASPD play in intimate partner violence?What are effective interventions for perpetrators of domestic violence?Key Takeaways:Distinguishing between high conflict families and domestic violence cases is crucial.Individuals who have BPD and ASPD have a higher incidence of IPV perpetration.Setting limits and imposing consequences are essential for holding perpetrators accountable.This episode offers valuable insights into the complexities of domestic violence and high conflict personalities, making it a must-listen for anyone navigating these challenges.Links & Other NotesBOOKSSplitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality DisorderOur New World of Adult BulliesDating RadarCalming Upset People with EARHigh Conflict People in Legal DisputesCOURSESConversations About Domestic Violence in Family Law with 16 ExpertsStrategies for Helping Clients with Borderline Personalities in DivorceHandling Family Law Cases Involving Antisocial High Conflict PeopleARTICLESDomestic Violence vs. High Conflict Families: Are one or two people driving the conflict?Domestic Violence and Personality Disorders: What's the Connection?Living with High-Conflict People: Do's and Don'ts for Living with an Antisocial High Conflict PeopleDifferences in Dealing with Borderline, Narcissistic and Antisocial Clients in Family LawWhy I Wrote SplittingUnderstanding Borderline Personality Disorder in Family Law CasesOUR WEBSITEhttps://www.highconflictinstitute.com/QUESTIONSSubmit a Question for Bill and MeganAll of our books can be found in our online store or anywhere books are sold, including as e-books.You can also find these show notes at our site as well.Note: We are not diagnosing anyone in our discussions, merely discussing patterns of behavior. (00:00) - Welcome to It's All Your Fault (00:38) - The 5 Types of People Who Can Ruin Your Life Part 4 (01:26) - Domestic Violence and HCPs (03:49) - Bill's Background (06:48) - Stats (09:23) - Anti-Social (14:38) - Verbally Abusive (16:42) - Accountability (18:53) - Disruptive (20:21) - When Law Enforcement's Involved (23:13) - Borderline Personality (27:17) - More Reactive (28:18) - Remorse (29:41) - Can't Control Themselves (31:06) - Generalizations (31:38) - When in One of These Relationships (36:09) - Reminders & Coming Next Week: Law Enforcement Guest Learn more about our Conflict Influencer Class. Get started today!

I've got a new podcast for you that's here by popular demand. The last podcast I did was with the honest psychopath Jackson Noble, and I got a lot of inquiries about his partner Teagan. People wanted to know what it was like for her to be with an open psychopath, to be in a loving relationship with him, to observe him as a father and a partner, and to know if it's possible to have a healthy and loving relationship with somebody with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD). Well, Teagan has gracefully agreed to be interviewed and to talk about her experiences openly and honestly. She also identifies as neurodivergent and believes she has Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). And yet she says their relationship is "99% healthy". Together we explored what it means to love when you don't experience emotions deeply, how safe it is to be in a relationship with a psychopath, and how that compares to her previous relationships with neurotypical men. Let's meet her and hear her fascinating story.

Kody Green is a speaker, podcast host, and peer support specialist. He is also living with Undifferentiated Schizophrenia. He talks about growing up with a mother who has schizophrenia, how he came to terms with having it himself, and how he leads a full and functional life with the help of treatment and his support system. Look for his podcast, Unseen and Unheard. For more about Kody: website: https://www.kodygreen.com/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@schizophrenichippie?lang=en%22%20o%20%22https://www.tiktok.com/@schizophrenichippie?lang=en%22%20t%20%22_blankHere is the article a listener mentioned on the podcast regarding ASPD and remorse/empathy.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010440X05001392If you're interested in seeing and possibly buying the furniture that Paul designs and makes follow his IG for his woodworking which is @MIHHfurnitureWAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via iTunes. It costs nothing. It's extremely helpful to have your subscription set to download all episodes automatically. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2Spread the word via social media. It costs nothing.Our website is www.mentalpod.com our FB is www.Facebook.com/mentalpod and our Twitter and Instagram are both @Mentalpod Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor (with occasional rewards) for as little as $1/month at www.Patreon.com/mentalpod Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at https://mentalpod.com/donateYou can also donate via Zelle (make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com) To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod Try Our Sponsor's Products/ServicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ever wondered what goes on in the mind of someone with antisocial personality disorder  Join us, Linton and Stacy, as we untangle the web of behaviors and traits that mark this complex condition. In our latest installment of the demystifying disorder series, we lay bare the DSM-5-TR diagnostic criteria for APD, highlighting the fine line between it and other personality disorders like narcissism and borderline personality disorder. We're not just talking theory; our conversation brings in vivid anecdotes and cultural examples that illuminate the everyday implications of APD and its portrayal in media.Our journey into the world of APD doesn't stop at diagnosis; it's about understanding the person behind the behaviors and navigating the treacherous waters of treatment. We stress the crucial role of therapy boundaries, the setting of realistic goals, and the instances when it's necessary to involve authorities to ensure safety. Threaded throughout our discussion are the nuances of early signs, the significance of comprehensive history, and the challenges therapists face in the treatment room. Get ready for an eye-opening episode that promises to enrich your understanding of APD and the delicate art of managing it.If you need to study for your national licensing exam, try the free samplers at: LicensureExamsThis podcast is not associated with the NBCC, AMFTRB, ASW, ANCC, NASP, NAADAC, CCMC, NCPG, CRCC, or any state or governmental agency responsible for licensure.

Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are kicking off 2024 with Disney's 2013 smash hit "Frozen." This film has taken the world by (ice) storm, and we'd argue for good reason! In this episode, we spend time discussing perfectionism and "eldest daughter syndrome" while analyzing Anna and Elsa's sibling dynamic and their different reactions to early childhood trauma. It's so fascinating and fun to use these characters to explore anxious-avoidant attachment (Elsa) and disinhibited social engagement disorder (Anna). We also (once again!) discuss a character with nefarious intent and ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) traits - Hans! We talk about why people like Anna are more vulnearble to sociopathic manipulation and exploitation, and how you can protect yourself if you find yourself interacting with people like this. We are so stoked Disney depicted such complex themes for a new generation and we hope you enjoy! WATCH NOW ON YOUTUBE FOLLOW US: INSTAGRAM TIKTOK WEBSITE [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. And this is analyze scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of. [00:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Mental health in movies and tv shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a. [00:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Major beauty brand, even better. So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your dsm five, and enjoy. Let it go. Let it go. We're so excited to talk about Frozen today. If you couldn't tell, that was not Adina Menzel. That was me. [01:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Wow. [01:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know she's basically my doppelganger when it comes to singing, but I know it's quite a shock. [01:13] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But. [01:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, in all seriousness, I'm really excited to talk about Frozen. It's January when this is being released. It's very chilly in the northeast where we live, and it's just such a classic movie. I believe it's like the ten year anniversary of it being released, right? [01:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [01:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: And obviously there's been a sequel, and there's going to be a third one coming out, I think, in a year or two. I can't remember if it's 2024 or 2025, but there's definitely a third one coming out. So if you've been living under a rock, this 2013 mega hit Frozen is a Disney movie inspired by Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale the Snow Queen. Again, I just love using fairy tales to talk about mental health stuff and development and attachment and all the things. And it won, like, a bazillion award. It won an Oscar for best animated feature, best original song, which, you know, gave you a little preview of. It won a Golden Globe. It won a BAFTA award. It won two Grammy awards. I mean, just huge. And have you seen this before, Portia? [02:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes, I have. And I do really like it. Yeah. I really like frozen. The music is wonderful. [02:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: I do, too. [02:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [02:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: So good. It's so good. The music is right on par for me with Encanto, where I don't mind listening to it. It really gets in your head. And I know I keep talking about my recent Disney trip, but it's just because it was so much fun, and there's just so much, like, frozen paraphernalia everywhere. [02:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah. [02:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it's great, right? Because everyone loves frozen, I think, also because it was, like, the Christmas time. So it was easy to incorporate. But, like, at Hollywood studios, they have a whole frozen sing along, which is great. There's some characters, and then there's some funny narrators, and then you get to sing some of the songs with the kids, and Elsa comes out, and all the little kids go crazy. You can meet Olaf, and it's just, like, adorable. And I just think one thing I love about this movie is it's just so different from the classic Disney movies where it's not like the girl finding her true love in a male partner. It's like the sisters and their love between each other is, like, what saves the day. It's so beautiful. [03:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I didn't watch it, I think, for, like, a year or two. But it's so funny because I was like, oh, at the end, her sister saves her, not the guy. And I was like, oh, I wish that her sister could save her. So, obviously, that memory had stayed with me, but I don't know why I thought it was, like, my idea or I had this epiphany that, oh, it could be, like, family love or friend love, but obviously, Disney knew what they were doing, and I love that twist to it. I think it's, like, such a difference from the traditional Disney princess movies. [04:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And it's like one of those messages that, like, so glad children are seeing and internalizing these days. So I wanted to start, if it's okay if I take the lead, um, just talking, know, once again, their early childhood attachment styles. [04:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I know. [04:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Total shocker that we want to analyze the attachment styles of Elsa and Anna. [04:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [04:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Did that cross your mind at all? [04:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, it crossed my mind with Anna, with. And you're going to talk more about the types, but her disinhibited social. Right. She'll go with anyone. [04:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my Gosh. [04:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You guys are the best, or I'm in love with you. And they just. [05:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, yes, exactly. So, again, we see. Okay, so Elsa is older than Anna. We don't exactly know how much older, but I think, like, nicely displays, like, eldest daughter syndrome, which is not a real syndrome, but funnily enough, have you been seeing that thing floating around on Instagram? I love it. It's like, we do need to add it to the. It's just so funny. But anyway, we kind of saw that again with Kanto, with just. It's funny. So Elsa is a little older than Anna, but they're still pretty close in age enough to be, like, playmates and stuff. And we see early on that as they're playing Elsa has these powers that she doesn't know how to control, and it hurts Anna. And so, very early on, we see her parents take them to the trolls, which are really cute. I guess they're almost like the medicine men of Arendelle, who give them the advice, know, in order to heal Anna, they have to remove that part of her memory. And interestingly, it leaves that wisp of white hair. So there's always, like, a trace of it, right? It's always a trace of the trauma, even if you can't remember. [06:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's a good metaphor. [06:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes, for repression, right? But then she forgets that bond with her sister, and then it's almost like the parents lock Elsa away from everyone because she can't control her powers. And I always just thought that was so interesting and so sad. And, gosh, really sends the message to Elsa that you hurt people you can't control. Right. Like, how did you interpret that? [06:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I loved watching it, knowing that we were going to record, because I felt like I thought about it in such a different way. And with her, it was just like, exactly what you're saying with repression. But it's like, Elsa has to be so perfect and feel nothing, like a shell, which we're not wired to be, in order to not have any emotion, which will then kind of send the ice and snow all over the place. And so I think that's often, like, a message that some people get. You can't be yourself or your emotions are too big, and so then we tuck that all away, and then what happens? We explode. [07:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly. And also. Great. I just was thinking, like, I wonder if Elsa struggled with disordered eating and perfectionism. Maybe OCD. [07:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Again, we don't profile with those kind of disorders. [07:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. She's at risk for those things. And even with wearing her gloves to prevent the ice, I could just see some OCD type behavior she could develop. We don't see that in the movie, but, again, being super analytical. But, yeah, just, like, even if you just use the ice as a metaphor for emotion. Oh, it's beautifully done. It is, right? It's so beautifully. So, like, basically, Elsa's emotions trigger the ice, which hurts her sister. And I think all siblings can relate to this, that sometimes they hurt your siblings. There's conflict. But, like, gosh, it must have been so hard for Elsa to be so locked away and so scared and to be trying to control it but not being able to yet. And it's like, girl, she just got to just let her grow up. [08:33] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And the blame. Right. [08:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: The self blame the shame. Really intense. And then we have Anna, like, on the other end. [08:41] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. [08:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Who's also isolated but in a different way. [08:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. She doesn't know. Right. Like, she doesn't know why. It's just, like, everyone's treating us this way. That's just how it is. No one's explained it. [08:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: You don't get the sense, like. So they weren't let out of the castle either. Like, the doors were shut. They're all in. [09:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The windows were shut. It's dark. It's, like, empty. [09:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's cold. [09:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I just think is whole movie's way of talking about isolation. [09:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. What that feels like. And so then even you have Anna. I'm like, did they each have a separate tutor? They don't have any friend. Did Anna at least get to talk to the staff? She at least would talk to the. Like, she could at least use some make believe or. But, like, she was also isolated but not alone in a room. She was, like, in a big old castle. But I got the sense she had more interactions with her parents or stuff. Like. But, like, not enough, I think, to develop secure attachment style. [09:44] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Definitely felt neglectful after Elsa had hurt her. And then when the parents. [09:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, the parents always have to die in Disney movies. And at that little show I was just talking about, the frozen sing along at Disney. That's one of the funny things they mentioned. They list off all, really, movies where the parents died. It takes him, like, ten minutes, all of them. Right. And I was trying to figure out how old were they when the parents died? It seemed like at least adolescence or young adulthood. But it's tragic. It's unexpected. It's in a shipwreck. It's really sad. So they barely had any social connection. Their parents were like, it, and now they're gone, and now they have to figure out what to do. Right. [10:41] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm wondering if the parents had been alive, still would know, and maybe any parents. No one gets it perfect, but I wonder if they would have helped Anna or, I'm sorry, Elsa later on with maybe taking her to the trolls again when she's an adult helping her. But it's like, regard will never. So, like, she didn't get any help in kind of trying to regulate her emotions. So first the message was right. Like, I'm bad. I hurt people. There's something wrong with me. But then the loss of the parents, which was obviously wildly impactful, but then there was no opportunity for her to receive a different, like, she. [11:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's like, just, like, compounded psychological isolation and alienation. Right, yeah. And then we see how each girl, Elsa and Anna reacts to then interacting with society, and they take such wildly different approaches. Right. So do you want to speak to that a little bit? [11:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I thought. And again, the music is just so wonderful. I loved the whole song. When Anna is watching them open up the castle, right? She's running around, she's seeing the light. She's going through the gates. She's, like, dancing around everyone. She's so excited to finally get her needs met and be around a million people and talk to everyone and look at everyone, and then obviously, like, polar opposite. Elsa is so terrified of what she might do, what might happen. It's visible, which I think is great for kids. Like, Anna's like. And then Elsa's just, like, there with her gloves so tight, like, her chest, her body language. [12:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Just trying so hard to not feel anything, but actually feeling a ton of. [12:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, yeah. And I forgot that the guy who Anna meets was bad Hans. Yeah. Oh, my God. [12:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Again, not to go back to that little show, but it was so funny in that little show at, like, they run through the plot and everything, and they put Hans up on the big screen, and the man narrator was like, he's literally wearing a red flag because he wears, like, a red. Oh, my God. I thought that was so funny. [13:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I was like, yes, that's hilarious. [13:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's such a good example of love bombing, right? [13:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Like, a perfect example. [13:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Perfect example of just, like, again, when we say love bombing, that's not, like, a technical term. Like, we don't use that diagnostically. It's not in the DSM. But it's, like, this way of interacting that people often with malicious intent, whether they're fallen, the narcissistic spectrum, the antisocial spectrum, or they're just manipulative. This way they relate to you to really suck you in. So love bombing might be really quickly praising you, idealizing you, buying you gifts, flying you on a private jet, proposing you love. [13:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. [13:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Mirroring back whatever you're interested in, they mirror it back to, like, oh, my God, me? Like, you feel like you've met your twin. Know stuff like that. Such a perfect example. And again, I was stoked that Disney is displaying this, as hopefully, all the children watching are internalizing this as a cautionary tale. Right? [14:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And Elsa even says, like, you can't. [14:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: Marry someone you just met, which is. [14:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Totally accurate, like, day of. Right. Like, we shouldn't be doing that. And I think it speaks, know, on polar opposite ends of the spectrum, I think that's an appropriate advice to give. However, it's also Elsa giving that advice who's like, I don't know. She would never want to be with a partner, or that could never happen. And then Anna is so vulnerable to someone taking interest in her and talking to her that it's so easy for her to be swooped up, which people who are malicious often can pick up on. [14:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: They can sniff it out. Right. I think that's like, you just got to be so careful. And I think if you have a personal. This is not medical advice. I have to give that disclaimer, but I might recommend, if it were, that if you have a personal history of attachment, trauma or neglect or abandonment or abuse, just know that you might be at risk for really craving that love and attention and validation and approval. And people with these traits and malicious intent, they can sniff that out. [15:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Totally. [15:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: I just think you're more at risk for being exploited or sucked up in that way. I just see this all the time with patients. [15:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [15:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Especially I'm thinking of children, adolescents with early childhood trauma, or even certain types of intellectual disabilities or things like that. People who have nefarious intent will prey on vulnerable people whose defenses are lower. That's just like, how it happens, right? [15:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wish there was. I'm curious, the science behind is it the body language that I guess classic, maybe like, I'm thinking narcissist or sociopath is picking up on? How do they know? What are they reading? Is it like, not in my heart body language. [16:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think also another thing that I read somewhere along the way in my training or readings or whatever, is that people who have a secure inner sense of themselves feel like they are worth being treated with respect and are worth having their own boundaries and know that they can say no or are able to stay in touch with things that don't feel good and know, like, I don't like that I'm going to pivot and move a different direction. [16:41] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. [16:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: So the person trying to get to you isn't going to get to that person, right. Because they're going to turn away from them. But the person, maybe who doesn't have that secure inner sense of themselves or who struggles to set boundaries because it wasn't modeled for them or their own boundaries were violated in childhood, it's going to have a harder time naturally turning away from them. And I think that's when those people are like, aha, I might be able to get you. So let me lay it on thick and really try to get my claw. Does that make sense? I think that's at least part of it. [17:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was just thinking of, like, I don't know if it's him, but I think Ted Bundy really, truly, classically, like a predator out there kind of at a bar or somewhere, and it's like, just kind of scanning the room. And I think somebody has spoken about being surviving because they didn't go with them or something like that. And this is so just not maybe true at all. But I wonder if they had a secure attachment or, like, oh, I don't really want to. [17:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: They didn't. [17:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Versus noticing someone who's maybe seems really uncomfortable or insecure, kind of looking around and like, okay, that person looks like I can be really nice and make. Yeah. [18:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Even as you said that, portia, you sort of hunched. Like, even your own body language as you're describing what you imagine it might look like. I think you're right. And I think these people are really good. I think especially sociopaths or people with antisocial personality disorder when it reaches that level. Like with Ted Bundy, he purposefully feigned illness or injury to lure his victims in. So it's only going to be the people who have a kind enough heart to go help that he's going to get. So already, there's going to be other people who are like, I'm too busy for this, blah, blah, blah, blah. These other people with a kind heart could also be busy, but put someone else's assumed needs ahead of their own and then get sucked in. Right? Yeah, but people with really pure, really nefarious, antisocial personality disorder are experts at mimicking human emotions and behavior without actually feeling any of it. So you've got to imagine they have been studying this in other people in a way that other people aren't. And again, this is just my opinion. This isn't like, I don't have data to back this up, but I think that they're just really astute at picking that up. And I always say, just, like, sniffing out the vulnerability. [19:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which, again, Elsa was right, or Anna was right in front of him, but there was no way he was going to be approaching Elsa. [19:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: He might have wanted to, right? [19:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But she. [19:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wouldn'T even. Again, Elsa's not even out there in the crowds trying to make friends. [19:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right? [19:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Anna's, like, everywhere. And then I bet Hans, when they fall into the boat together, could quickly pick that up, that she's so eager for attachment or friendship, that she has that vulnerability that he's going to use it and exploit know. Yeah, it's a really interesting, he's, you. [20:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Know, the red flag guy. I love that. I wish people could walk around with their red flags because some red flags are just red flags. For some people, it's like, oh, that's not a good thing for me. But other red flags are like, danger, danger, avoid. [20:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think the thing is that people who, again, their early needs are not met or their own boundaries are violated or things like that. People who struggle with their own types of boundaries for whatever reason, whether it's something as severe as early childhood abuse or neglect or it's just like you grew up in kind of a dysfunctional family. I just think when you're vulnerable to this, you're almost, like, good at talking yourself out of your fear response. [20:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. [20:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: And we've talked about this before, too, how in our american culture, women are kind of just, like, conditioned to do. Right? [21:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think we talked about Barbie. [21:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: With Barbie. We've talked about it with you when she's being stalked. [21:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yes. [21:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: You talked about a lot how in our society, women just walking around over the course of their life will face sexual harassment, sexual assault, like things like this. And you're just sort of told to like, well, that's boys. All of those messages get internalized. And I think people who maybe fall victim to these situations, again, it's not their fault by any means, but I think someone who can stick with that fear response and internally validate it and listen to it and get out of there is very different from someone who might feel it but then has been conditioned to undo it or minimize it and validate it for themselves. So then they're like, well, I'm probably overreacting, rather than being like, no, this is my gut telling me to get out of here. [22:02] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, I agree. And I think it's so like Anna was in love with Hans when she meets Christophe. Yes. And so I think it's nice because they got to develop this friendship where, like, did have boundaries, and it was like, friends. And we don't do this. And I'm being more direct with you and I'm kind of being more myself, whereas that, again, within the context of the movie, I think sets, like, a good groundwork for it being safe, even when then they are in love. I'm hopeful about that relationship because it started that way where it was like she throws the carrots right at his head because she buys them this stuff and he's helping her, but she's like, oh, get away. I just think it's good. They're evenly matched then. Because she's in love. [23:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, exactly, but. And she's not. Like, I could see Anna, like, with Hans. Like, at first it seemed like when they're singing that song together about finishing each other's sandwiches, she's saying things and he's mirroring it back. But I could also see it go the other way where when she feels like, oh, this is it. Yeah, I'm finally in love. Like, I've always wanted to be in love. I could see her kind of, like, changing herself to mirror his interests and needs so she doesn't lose. Like, I think she has attachment trauma and she's going to be afraid of loss. So anyway, then we see. Where do we go to next? I mean, I want to get back to Elsa and how she banishes which. [23:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which. Which makes sense, such in the context of her greatest fear. So she loses her gloves, and then she loses her emotions, which are normal emotions to have at that time. Like, this is scary. Coronation. Like, all this is pressure. And then she puts up that wall and everyone sees her. And then that mean little man, weasel man, is like, she's a witch or. [24:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, she runs away. Like, who wouldn't run away? Like, so much pressure. She's got no model for how to do this. No one's ever really helped her regulate her own emotions. Elsa needs some good old DBT, but. So she runs away. She's avoidant. And she just, again, is, like, really good depiction, I think, of avoidant attachment style. Right? [24:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, that way. And it kind of is physically, but it is also for her, too. [24:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I just love in the iconic musical sequence of let it go, how she just. You see her feel so comfortable with just shooting out the ice, building the wall. She takes her hair down. She changes her outfit. Right? You see her just grow into herself. And the lyrics of the song are actually so moving when you think about it, as you could apply it to anyone, maybe especially girls, just being like, shed this image of perfection. Just like, be yourself. And then she's like, the cold never bothered me anyway. It's like, yeah, you can feel all these negative feelings. [25:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You're a snow queen. [25:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're a human. We all have negative feelings. It's okay. It's just really beautiful. But then you still see how it creates such interpersonal conflict with Anna, who, despite everything, still wants to be her sister and is worried about her and goes after her. Anna's not like, okay, I'll be queen. Right, bye, Elsa. Like, I'll do know which maybe some people, like one of the succession siblings might have know, but she wants to go find her and she loves her. And I think that is that thread of that early connection they had. And again, playing with the snowman back when Elsa had the powers and they were kids and they'd sneak into the ballroom and play with them and it was not dangerous yet. And then I just thought it was really beautiful that then Olaf is this concrete depiction of that bond they have that helps bring them back together. [26:16] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. It is a happy ending in the sense that I think of Anna kind of, kind of repeatedly, even throughout childhood, trying to get Elsa to play with her after, like, kind of banished as, like Charlie Brown continuing to kick the football and getting it pulled out over and over and over again and how painful that. But, like, at least in this scenario, it does work out. Her consistent kind of, I'm here. I want to be your friend. I want to be your sibling. I want to be your sister. I want to love you works, but in other ways sometimes not in this movie, but it doesn't. And it just really painful. [26:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: It just reminded me of totally different vibe. But in the bear season two and the finale, when Richie is outside the freezer or the fridge that Carmen's stuck in and Carmen's just spewing all this hatred and venom vitriol at him and Richie stays constant and is like, I love you, I love you. It's just like that's sort of the same thing. And also is trying to push her away, know, building the ice castle, making that big snowman guy and trying to keep her away. But Anna keeps coming. Again, could it be at her own detriment? Like, she could have gotten really right? Yeah. Again, like, Anna's vulnerable to continuing to seek out people who might be hurting her, but in this way, it has a good ending. [27:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Which is why it's worth it. But sometimes it doesn't work out that way. [27:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sometimes it's not worth it. And that's really hard when you're faced with a situation like that, when it is your sibling or it is a family member or something and the hurt that they're giving to you exceeds the love or the connection you're able to share with them. That I think can be when at least with my patients, we start talking about some hard boundaries to set. [28:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, that's true. I know we talked about it a little bit, but even just like, the grief, I were wondering if the staff could have been there for them. But I mean, man, like, someone needed to step up in that castle, whether it's like, the chef, the nanny, the teacher, just to give them some kind of connection. Because the song that Anna sings when they're opening the gates, it's really sad. It literally sounds like it's dark. Like they never are able to see outside. Like, ever. [28:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was wondering, did she ever feel the ever, like, what is her vitamin D level? How's her bone? [28:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, I know. [29:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it's really interesting, right. That even if you look at those lyrics without Kristen Bell singing it in such a animated, happy way, it is pretty sad the first time in. [29:14] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right? [29:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: Whoa. [29:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [29:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Whoa. But then neither of them is showing, like, a reactive attachment style, which we talked a little bit about in our episode last month about the Grinch. So they had some thread of connection. I do think it's like those early years with their parents playing together. The gates were open. They were out and about. So that did, I think, help set this stage. But then it got disrupted. And I just wonder, will they feel angry toward their parents at some point for keeping them so far to how are they going to bridge that know. [29:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. And then we see Kristoff with his enormous family of the trolls. Trolls I know, like, adopt, talking about, which is silly, but, like, embarrassing him in front of Anna about, like, you should date. You guys should be together and why not? And I thought that was, like, a silly, fun part. I also liked that it wasn't that they were trolls and he was in the family. I thought that was just, like, a cute way of showing different versions of families and what that means. [30:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And that you can be family and not look the same in that. Again, there's such interesting parallels with the Grinch in this. Know, that was just, like, totally cool there. But in the was, he was totally ostracized for looking different. [30:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right. Yeah. And then there's more trauma with Elsa being arrested and sentenced to death and then Hans telling Elsa that Anna was dead and vice versa. Him leaving Anna to die after she thinks that that's the love of her life. [30:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what's going to save. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. But that's what people like Hans do. Have we seen you, like. Hello. [31:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Literally. Literally being chained in a. [31:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what. Again, Hans has one goal in mind, and he wants the power at any cost, and that really displays it. Getting back to, like, I did find myself wondering, why is everyone pushing on like, he doesn't have to like her. [31:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [31:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: She wasn't that nice to him at know. [31:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Whatever. [31:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's a Disney movie. Okay. But I was like, why? We don't have to fall in love. [31:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's okay. [31:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: We can just be friends, but. Okay. [31:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, it seems like maybe. So what made him come back? Was it the donkey? [31:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? [31:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like the. Yeah, because she's in love with Hans and happily ever after. Yay. But why does he come back? He finds out what's going. Forget. [32:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, like, how did he meet Anna? [32:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, when they. So, like, he takes her back to Hans or to the castle to be like, hans, save her, like the love of your life, and then he leaves, and then why does he come back to save her? He finds out that she's not being saved or something. I can't remember because I'm wondering if that's the. Like, when does he move? Oh, like, she's. He. She's. He's going to get a new sled, apparently, or she bought this stuff for him. I don't know. [32:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know Christoph took her to the trolls when it started to freeze because Elsa's powers, like, her heart, and that's when the trolls said only an act of true love will save her. So then he's like, okay, I got to get her to Hans. So he takes her and delivers her to Hans, and then that's when Hans also has Elsa and is locking her away and telling them different things. And I think as they're trying to escape, somehow, I feel like, if I remember correctly, Olaf got involved and helped shed light on it somehow. And I think somehow in there, when Elsa escapes, he runs into her, and that's when the plot gets. [33:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Two days ago. And I don't know why I can't remember, but it's just like a switch, right? It's, like, sudden, maybe thinks she's cool, but then all of a sudden, they're in love, right? [33:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. It's Disney. So, again, I'm like, well, it's healthier than. But healthier. [33:35] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [33:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: And maybe we'll just kind of, like, see where it goes. Have you seen the second one? [33:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I haven't. [33:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, well, maybe we can cover that one next if people like this. Any final thoughts as we wrap up? [33:47] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I think if you haven't seen the meme kind of going around about the older sister syndrome, I think you should check it out. I think it's hilarious. [33:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's so funny and just speaks to. [33:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Elsa, kind of type a, and just like, all the things that come along with. True. It's so true. [34:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, thank you so much for listening again to our first episode of the new year. We're excited to kick off our second year podcasting and couldn't think of a better movie to start with. Please rate, review, and subscribe if you're enjoying our content to help us grow, please follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Analyze Scripts podcast we love interacting with people, so if you have any recommendations, we'd love to hear them and you can find us on YouTube as well. I forgot about that. [34:31] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [34:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: All right, we'll see you next time. [34:33] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Bye. [34:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of analyzed scripts. All rights reserved. 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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we have a fun little episode exploring Tim Burton's 1993 film "The Nightmare Before Christmas." In this episode, we discuss our theories about the psychological motivations behind Jack and Sally's behaviors. We use the characters of Oogie Boogie and Lock, Shock and Barrel to explore the diagnoses of oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), conduct disorder, and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). And we find ourselves wondering - is the Mayor supposed to depict bipolar disorder or a shady politician? We also discuss ways to talk to children after traumatic events like sadistic toys ruining your favorite holiday! We have a lot of laughs along the way and hope you enjoy this spooky episode! Instagram TikTok Website Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Welcome back to another episode this spooky month in October. Today we are covering The Nightmare Before Christmas, which is a Tim Burton movie. It came out shockingly in 1993. Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't think that's shocking, Portia. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I am shook. Why? I thought this was like, new. I don't maybe like Max ten years old, and this is almost as old as I am. Dr. Katrina Furey: You didn't watch this in childhood? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Never seen it before. Watching it for this? Dr. Katrina Furey: You never saw it before? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Not once. What? I just never got the draw. Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's always shown right everywhere. Like the holiday season. Dr. Katrina Furey: That's why we're covering it. And it's a classic Halloween and Christmas movie. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So my childhood, because I guess this is a childhood ish movie are like Pumpkin town. Do you ever see that? It's on Disney. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Okay, so I like those one through three. Hocus pocus pocus harry Potter yes. Dr. Katrina Furey: Which we'll be covering in a couple of weeks. Maybe next week. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe it's already out. Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Stay tuned. So I don't know, I've never, ever seen it. Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow, that's wild. I thought for sure when I recommended this you had seen it. Wow. Interesting. A lot of questions. I've seen it a bunch of times in childhood. And now, as a know, we watch it every year. When we went to Disney World recently at Halloween time, they have a whole Mickey's not so scary Halloween party with Skellington. Like it's like a big deal. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Scary though. Like your kids aren't scared of the movie? Dr. Katrina Furey: I think at certain parts a little bit, but not really. Which I also think is interesting because I also think it is like a spooky movie. And there's also now we have a couple of the children's books. People would gift them to us over the years, and one of them talks about Jack's Sleigh getting shot down. And I always make up a different word for that at that point because I feel like that's a little too much. But there's certainly spooky elements to this movie and scary elements like kidnapping the nefarious, sadistic know. So it is really interesting that kids aren't globally, I know, terrified of it. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And like, Jack, at one time, I think he's honestly the least scary, but he bears his teeth, right? And does a scary face. And I was like, oh, yikes. Dr. Katrina Furey: It's very Tim Burton. It is. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's just not my huh. Dr. Katrina Furey: So what are some of your questions? Like, why did I make you watch. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Are we talking about this? No, I'm kidding. I guess just why is it so popular? I know I'm very well aware that other people can like things that I don't. And I'm probably honestly in the minority, maybe minority for this movie, but I just don't understand the draw, really. I think it's scary. Dr. Katrina Furey: Were you scared of sin at all? I don't know. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I just felt like a little watching it. Really? I watched it at night, which doesn't help anything. But I don't know. Dr. Katrina Furey: I think it's like a short movie. It's a cartoon. The animation, I think, is unique. And I would imagine back in the 90s, especially unique. When you think about Disney animation at that time with Beauty and the Beast, Ariel Aladdin, it was just very different. And again, kind of like we talk about in our Harry Potter episode, there's something about the darkness that I think people are drawn to, even children, right? Like, you experience dark feelings as part of being a human. So maybe there's something about it. Where? In Halloween town? I mean, all kids celebrate Halloween, unless maybe you're very religious and you don't dress up or something. But most American children in our culture celebrate Halloween, and kids love it, but there is a spooky element, but that kind of adds to the fun. So maybe there's something about that darkness that resonates with you even as a child. At the beginning, they're all just like being their old Halloween selves and just like, really out there. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, I'm easily scared. I am not a fan ever, even in young 20s, late teens, of going to a pumpkin. Right. What are they called? Like a haunted hayride. I don't like that because I think the actors always know who in the crowd is, like, the best victim. And it's always me. Dr. Katrina Furey: It's always you. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I've been traumatized at people jumping out at you theme parks. Right. Dr. Katrina Furey: They have Halloween things like, it's scary. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I've been chased and I hate what do you think you cut down trees with? Dr. Katrina Furey: No, like, axe murderers, shovels chainsaws. That is really scary. Yeah, no, I'm not into that either. I wouldn't volunteer to go walk around and be scared. But I do like this movie. No, I totally hear that. So you're not maybe an adrenaline junkie? Like you wouldn't skydive maybe? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I think some people get a thrill from it, like their dopamine, and adrenaline is just, like, pumping. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's, like, good for them. I think it is a safer way, right. Getting it in, like, a risky way. Dr. Katrina Furey: That's true. That's true. So I guess I thought this would be a fun movie to talk about. A, because it's a classic, apparently, this news to Portia, but allegedly it's a classic. It has, like a really interesting. Like, I didn't realize until just now that Catherine O'Hara is the voice of Sally. I think Sally's a really interesting character. I feel like even if you walk around home goods nowadays, you see Jack and Sally coffee mugs, jack and Sally salt and pepper shakers. Like it's in our culture that's always like a cool Halloween costume to dress up as Jack and Sally as like a couple's costume. Now you're in on it. Maybe you'll be Sally for Halloween. We'll see danny Elfman is the singing voice for Jack Skellington, who's the main character. And then Chris Sarandon is his speaking voice. I didn't know they were two different people. Me know peewee herman. Paul Rubens plays one of the little boys. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Locke. Dr. Katrina Furey: We'll get into lockshock and barrel in a little bit, like stuff like that. Like the names of the little boys, right, are a know. But I thought this is just such a cool movie, I guess because A, I love Halloween, I love Christmas. It combines them. And I just feel like it's all about being yourself and being happy with like we see Jack, he's the what is he? The Pumpkin King of Halloween town. And it starts off with know, they're celebrating another great Halloween. And you see him rise up from the fountain in that initial song. I think the music is really good. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think the songs were clever and catchy and sweet, some of them. Yes. Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think the music has likely contributed to why it's so popular because it's just beautiful music and we see everyone celebrating. But then Jack goes back to his haunted house where he lives with his ghost dog, Zero and seems kind of like, okay, do it all again next year. He seems kind of bored and not really into it. And then all of a sudden he discovers Christmastown and wants to become Santa Claus, basically. And tries but does a really poor job. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was like I mean, again, I'm not trying to be a hater, and I'm really not, but I thought that when he's dropping off all the presents, it's like traumatizing. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He thinks he's doing this wonderful you know, at his core, he is not Santa. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so he's bringing all of these literally terrifying gifts to the people of. Dr. Katrina Furey: The world, the children. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I know, they're literally like running after. Dr. Katrina Furey: Them, trying to eat them, trying to strangle them. It is pretty frightening. But he thinks he's doing good and his intention is good. So it is, I feel, like, an interesting commentary on how our intent might not match how our actions land and how that's important to acknowledge for the other person. And then he sort of comes back to himself and accepts that that's who he is. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And Santa says Happy Halloween. Which is sweet when he's flying over them. Yeah, that is they kidnapped him and attempted to murder. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, yeah, I know. And I guess that's where Jack did order that, right? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No. Was it? Dr. Katrina Furey: Oogie boogie? Who was it that ordered them to go capture? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Capture? I think he just wanted to meet him, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, I thought he wanted them to hide him so he could be Santa. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, I thought he just was getting, like, tips and then Jack or Locke's Shock and, like, took it know? Dr. Katrina Furey: Um, so it's just I don't know. It's interesting. What do you think about the dynamic between Jack and Sally? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Interesting. Dr. Katrina Furey: I wanted more of a backstory on both of them. Yeah. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: She seems like she cares a lot about him, and it's like, why? Did you previously have a relationship? Are you just kind of admiring him, as everyone in the town seems to do? He was caught kind of off guard, it seemed like, because she was showing him a lot of care, a lot. Dr. Katrina Furey: Of affection, and she was always there when he was in a bind and needed some help. I was confused by that too. Like, at the end, when they kiss, I think that's a classic scene, but I was like, oh, they could have just been friends. They could have been siblings. Like, I don't know. But it was surprising that now they're in love. I think it is also kind of classic for the time. But Sally, we see her literally take parts of herself off to protect him, which I also think is an interesting commentary that the girl is sacrificing parts of herself to be there for the guy. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think you could talk about internal family systems with that, right? Like, parts theory that's not really about your body parts, but, like, internal parts. Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think it's, like, just the. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Symbol of her sacrificing parts and herself and going to great lengths, like, throwing herself off the tower, sewing herself back. Dr. Katrina Furey: Together, poisoning her father, the Doctor Finkelstein, aka Frankenstein. Yeah. Who I guess was the father. I didn't pick that up until we were reading a little bit about it. I thought he was just, like, an evil scientist who was holding her captive. It now really creeps me out if he was her dad. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, that's what it says. Like, I don't think that's clear at all in the movie, so you're right. I think it feels more strange and. Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, dark if it's her dad. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: But I think Sally is like a character that's just really, again, popular in our culture and helps Jack out, but also tries to caution him. He sort of wants her to make his suit. Jack's very demanding, now that I think about it. But she's like, Jack, this isn't like you right. You don't look like know when he puts on the beard, and he doesn't. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Look like that sense of impending doom. And I'm like, is that anxiety. Dr. Katrina Furey: Or like yeah, you're listening to your gut. Very unclear. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So she does not want him to go to the world and be Santa. And he is taking charge of Halloween Town, so he know everyone in on it. Everyone's making toys or an aircraft of. Dr. Katrina Furey: Trauma and torture, but what they think are toys because they're spooky and creepy to them, these are funny. These are toys. But it's interesting how I don't know. I guess you could even interpret this through maybe like a cross cultural lens. Like if Halloween Town is one culture and Christmas Town is a different culture, and what it's like to try to. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Assimilate I like how they accidentally captured the Easter easter Bunny. And unfortunately, the Easter bunny. Right. Like, didn't they just take him to Oogie Boogie? Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, they didn't send it back. In my mind, they send him back. I don't know. Maybe I'm rewriting that story because it's too dark. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I don't know. Dr. Katrina Furey: Either way, what did you think about Oogie Boogie? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: He was scary. I thought it was interesting at the end that he's just like all bugs. Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. That's the part that really creeps me out. Even to this day when I watch. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It, I'm just like, oh, he was definitely dark. And again, yes, I'm aware that children's stories, especially fairy tales right, can be dark. My favorite being Harry Potter, which gets progressively darker, which I think is as I get older. We've talked about that on the episode, so feel free to check that one out. But it just felt like really spooky. Like he's bad. He's a bad guy. Also made me think of the Grinch. Right. Because of where he is. You get to him through all these pipes. He lives away from everyone garbage. Not really, but in a sense, yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: And why in a town like Halloween Town, where everyone is spooky and creepy and you might say weird, you might say different. I did like how they all just look so different from each other. Like, you got the vampires, you got the kids, you got Jack and Sally. There's just like all these different types of people all living harmoniously in their creepy way. So why is Boogie, like banished? I don't know. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe he took it too far. Somebody always know. Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe he's the criminal of the town or something. Like maybe he would jack's nemesis, too. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: I wonder if they grew up together. I wonder if Okie Boogie's kind of like in the jail of he. To me, I feel like is really a good depiction of sadism, or just being very sadistic. Like putting all the people he captures on that. What do you call that circle thing that's like spinning and they're going to die and it's like very table. Yeah, that's what it looks like hanging them. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, it's like it's really sadistic. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Talk about antisocial personality disorder. Yeah, there it is. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? Like an oogie boogie. But then he's also kind of like mesmerizing when he's like singing and dancing and serial. Yes, he totally sucking you in. Yeah, he had a beautiful singing voice. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: With you before you ultimately get killed. Dr. Katrina Furey: For his own pleasure. Creepy. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then we have the three little. Dr. Katrina Furey: The three little kids. Lock, shock, and barrel. What'd you think about that? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: They were like, naughty, to say the least. I think we have both criteria kind of laid out of conduct disorder and Odd. Dr. Katrina Furey: Oppositional defiant disorder. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That first word always gets me oppositional, which and there is a difference. So it feels like meet more criteria for conduct just because there is that level of physical cruelty to people, physical cruelty to animals. It's a step further with actions often and intent than Odd. So, like, just a little rundown. Oppositional defiant disorder, it's like behavior lasting about six months. It's not just a temper tantrum. Dr. Katrina Furey: This is in children, right, is when we diagnose it. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Children and teens, they lose their temper. They often argumentative with adults. They defy or refuse to comply with rules or requests. They can deliberately be annoying. They blame others for their mistakes. They can be easily annoyed or touchy. They get pretty angry or resentful, and they can be spiteful or vindictive. So where it kind of becomes conduct disorder, so often there's first a diagnosis of Odd, which in its path to ultimately, I'd say, like antisocial personality disorder is an important diagnosis just because it kind of lays the groundwork. However, there is a big shift in the field with just overall less diagnoses of Odd. So you see a lot of typically, like, black youth coming into treatment with an Odd diagnosis, I think, like overly diagnosed and misdiagnosed. Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. In certain patients of certain backgrounds. Some might call this racist, and I think it does get over diagnosed misdiagnosed in certain situations. Like when perhaps there could be some trauma going on. Absolutely. There could be add. Sometimes Add and Odd go together. So it is important to get an accurate, well rounded the child could be going through a big transition. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Maybe their parents parents are getting divorced or something. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So it's good to ask why. Right. When did the behavior start? And maybe asking the child or the teen right. What's going on in your life? Not just like, oh, wow, you seem really kind of jerky right now and you're not listening to anyone. There's always really a reason. 90% of the time there is another better diagnosis than Odd explains the behavior or there's just like changes going on right. That they're reacting to. So that's where in the smaller, more rare cases that Odd then goes on to become conduct disorder. It's really what I would describe, at least in my understanding and experience with it. It's kind of like you get that icky feeling, your feelers go up. Yeah. This child, and I hate to say this or this teen is off in. Dr. Katrina Furey: How they see the world and how. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: They view others with their empathy or lack thereof. Oh, absolutely. Lack thereof. We talked about this in our episode. Dr. Katrina Furey: I think we've talked about a couple on you. I think it came up. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: We talked about this on the whale. Dr. Katrina Furey: Kind of with the daughter, back and. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Forth with his daughter because there is some, we think, like alluding to animal cruelty. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So that's a big one. Dr. Katrina Furey: That's a big symptom with conduct disorder. And I sort of think of it as like when you have a patient who is committing crimes, often we will look to see, does that person meet criteria for antisocial personality disorder? Which unfortunately, I think increases their chance of committing more and more crimes because they don't have empathy or respect for how their actions affect other people. And a lot of times they get off on hurting other people, so they're not going to stop. And then if you trace it back, you will often see they did meet criteria for conduct disorder in later childhood, teenage, early adulthood, and then earlier than that probably met criteria for oppositional defiant disorder. So it's like most people with antisocial personality disorder will meet criteria for those things. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The other way is not correct. True. Right. Dr. Katrina Furey: Like if you maybe meet criteria for oppositional and defined disorder, that doesn't mean you're without a doubt going to meet criteria for antisocial personality disorder or be what we call like a sociopath. But once you get to conduct disorder, you start to get more nervous that that could happen. In my experience, when you see teenagers harming animals, like cats, birds, dogs, when you see them setting fires, when you see them also kind of like playing games with their peers, but pitting them against each other, they just start to sort of do these things that make you feel uneasy, and you start to see that they really struggle with empathy. And by that we mean like being able to put themselves in someone else's shoes and imagine or understand what it would feel like to be on the receiving end of an action. And they might get off on hurting people or animals. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And there might be there oftentimes is like a trauma underneath that. And I would say noting kind of back to the odd over diagnosis is like, you could argue that someone who is in a gang could meet criteria for conduct disorder. That's not the case. I wouldn't diagnose someone who's in a gang with conduct disorder. But you could be doing the same thing. So it's like that same question of like, okay, what's going on in your environment culturally? What's happening around you? How do you survive? Right? And so a lot of people sometimes have to do horrible things to survive because they think they have to do that to survive. That's not conduct disorder, right? Dr. Katrina Furey: And that's where I'm like do Locks, shock and barrel meet criteria for conduct disorder? Or is this just like the norm in their culture of Halloween town? Right? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So some of the great point. Dr. Katrina Furey: Criteria for conduct disorder are frequent bullying, often starting physical fights, using weapons, physical cruelty to people and animals, theft with confrontation of the victim. So it's not like stealing gum from the store. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's a good one. Dr. Katrina Furey: It's like armed robbery, being out late without permission, truancy from school, vandalism, breaking and entering, frequent manipulative, lying, covert stealing, forced sex, deliberate fire setting to cause harm, and running away from home overnight. So this is pretty severe. This is pretty severe stuff. And again, I don't remember off the top of my head how many criteria you have to meet or for what period of time, but I'd imagine, like, odd. It's persistent. So just like odd. Again, there's that time criteria of six months. It's not like a child going through a hard time or having some tantrums or just bullying. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: We should not be doing it's, obviously, of course, unkind. And some people bully and they absolutely do not have conduct disorder. Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And I think, again, a lot of people or children with conduct disorder have also been abused themselves. And they sort of become the abuser because that's what they've seen. That's what they know. That's how they finally feel powerful over someone else when they have felt so victimized themselves. So it's so complicated and complex and hard to treat and hard to sit with, I think, as a provider, trying to help patients with these sorts of things. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Totally. So we also have the mayor of Halloween Town. He's a silly one, so he has two faces. Dr. Katrina Furey: This is really interesting. They sort of flip back and forth really quickly depending on it seems like what he's feeling, right? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So it's like happy or distraught. And it's almost like what comes first, right? The feeling or the spin? And then he reacts that way. I think I'm using almost in a way that we kind of often critique people talking about bipolar, but I don't know, he has these two moods that kind of go back and forth sometimes. Maybe lasting the full day, maybe lasting. Dr. Katrina Furey: Two weeks, maybe lasting rapidly, spinning back and forth. Some mood label. And also, I think he's the mayor, so he's a politician. And I think a lot of people feel like politicians are two faced. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's kind of like a funny little jab, I guess. Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: But he's an interesting it's like I guess he's the one in power, but it just seems like Jack is all. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The jack is like the king and then there's the mayor almost, like in. Dr. Katrina Furey: Like is this like Parliament versus the royal family? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Seems like it like the royal family is in some ways differently beloved to them. And then Parliament is like, you know, the nitty gritty, who you're voting for? So I don't know. Jack's probably always been around. I wonder who was like, do they go on to rule together? Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Is that like William and know? Maybe. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Could be. Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. And who came before. Like, what do you think was Jack's backstory if you had to fill in the gaps? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I don't like was he ever alive or was he always a skeleton? You know what I mean? You see a reef yard and then you see his dog who's a ghost. Who's a ghost. But were these ever I mean, they must have if I'm thinking scientifically. Or is this where you go? Is Halloween town like an afterlife place? Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, that's an interesting idea. Or is it just like a different world? And that's just what they are, right? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Was he ever a child or was. Dr. Katrina Furey: He always just a full on adult skeleton? Right. I don't know. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Because you do see the kids there's the kids here that way forever. Dr. Katrina Furey: Where are the kids parents, right? Why are they, like, running around with Okie Boogie and acting kind of like being taken advantage of? Which, again, I feel like getting back to kids with trauma or odd or conduct disorder, they can also be victimized at much higher rates, right. Because they're just at risk. They're in more harsh situations. Again, a lot of times, even if they meet this criteria, they have a history of abuse and so they might be drawn to feeling cared for or even just like, given attention, even if it's bad. Right. Sniff that out. Kind of like the chainsaw wielding people at the haunted hayrides could sniff out. You were the one to scare. A lot of times nefarious people, like sociopaths, can sniff out who is vulnerable to getting pulled in and they really get off on that. So it's like it makes me nervous. Like, where are their parents? Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So let me ask you this. If you are living in what we know as kind of like regular world and Jack comes by for Christmas and drops off some of those gifts, how are you and your family coping with. Dr. Katrina Furey: The aftermath of oh, my gosh. Right? I mean, I think I would normalize my children's reaction to being given, like, a duck that looks cute but then runs after you with fangs and is trying to eat you, or like a wreath coming out trying to strangle you. I would just be present with validating their fear. Right. I would hear what they have to say first, try to put words to their feelings and also say, like, gosh, if I were in that situation, I might feel scared or nervous or worried or I totally get it. Try to help them with that. Lot of reassurance that that's over. Things are safe now. I'm here to protect you. They might be mad at me if they felt like I wasn't there to protect them and I should have been. Make space for that and sort of sit with it. That can be hard, I think, as a parent. And then I would imagine they'd have some symptoms of an acute stress reaction. Right. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Might be a little afraid of going near the fireplace. Yeah. Dr. Katrina Furey: Or the Christmas tree. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, my God. Dr. Katrina Furey: I hope it wouldn't ruin Christmas forever. They might have trouble sleeping for a little while. I might sleep with them for a little while and kind of I would probably tell their school so that the school counselors and stuff could check in on them, tell their teacher or other important adults in their life. And then I'd have a very low threshold to seek out some type of therapy to kind of help them and help me help them and then kind of see what happens. And I think a lot of many children are very resilient. Absolutely. So the hope is that with time, they can process it and move through it and then in future years, for future Christmases, if they were showing some avoidance, I would try to challenge it in, like, a gentle way. But to again keep reinforcing, that they are safe now in hopes of mitigating any risk for a PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder kind of thing. I hope that's the right way to handle. Great answer. Oh, my God. Thanks. Yeah. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I think the most important piece being is just, like, acknowledging them and their concerns and not dismissing them. Right. So instead of saying, like, that didn't happen, or, that's not scary at all. Dr. Katrina Furey: Everything's fine, everything's fine. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Get over it. You're taking the time to be like, yeah, that was really scary. Let's talk about it if you want to. And then typically, like you said, most kids are okay. Dr. Katrina Furey: And if they can't talk about it yet, depending on how young they are, depending how upsetting it is, drawing with them is really helpful. So I learned this cool technique in my training from a child psychiatrist where he would sit with a kid, and I always was like, Child psychiatry looks so cool because you basically play that looks cool. But he would sit with a kid, and they'd share a piece of paper, and he'd draw a line, and he would have the child make one drawing, and then he would do the next move, and they would make a picture together, kind of. And as they were doing it, he would talk with them and ask, like, well, why did you do this? Why did you use that color? Why that shape? And just over time, it's like a nice way to do something, like, basic and safe and something like all kids kind of know how to do, like, drawing together. You get a lot out of the child. It's really hard to just sit and do, like, talk therapy with little kids, so that's an interesting way. Or just asking them to draw something and just sort of being curious about it together, I think, can be also helpful and a good way of processing. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Using figures, whether it's, like, little animals or dolls or Lego characters to act out what they're feeling, they might be able. To do something with the little doll that they are not going to do themselves. Wow. Okay. Now I'm understanding more. There's so much within child therapy, psychiatry that is so special and unique. And also sometimes we use it with adults oh, 100%. Dr. Katrina Furey: And with play, children playing. There's so much going on within their play. And I think it's really interesting to just kind of be attuned to what they're talking about, what they're acting at, what they're trying to work through or sort through. It can be really fascinating, sometimes disturbing. And I think we see with other horror movies when there's like the child with the dark drawings and they're possessed, it does come out. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for listening to this episode. I certainly had fun being by being open now to this new holiday movie. So keep with family. We have a lot of fun content coming also over the next couple of months. So doing some silly maybe travel stuff with movies and family. Dr. Katrina Furey: Home alone. Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Chaos. We have certainly some more, I guess, traditional holiday movies coming up in December, but thanks for listening. Be sure to like us on TikTok and Instagram. We make some content there with just some extra info. If you want to check us out over there at Analyze Scripts Podcast. We do have a website and an email. If you're looking for more of a professional inquiry, we are happy to provide some information or cross podcasts. Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. 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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are analyzing the '90s movie "Girl, Interrupted" based on the memoir by Susanna Kaysen. This film depicts two years of a young adult woman's life at McLean Hospital in the 1960s where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder (BPD). This episode analyzes everything from why it's so hard to talk about BPD, psychoanalytic vs behavioral treatment methods, the deinstitutionalization movement, antipsychotics, and our opinions about Angelina Jolie's portrayal of sociopathy. We hope you enjoy! Instagram TikTok Website [00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist. [00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. [00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows. [00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends. [00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts. [00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like. [00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better. [00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn. [00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. We get started with this episode. We just wanted to add a trigger warning. Some of this content could be disturbing to listen to. We're talking about the film Girl Interrupted, and there are some themes of suicide, disordered eating, and I would say institutional traumatization. So again, if any of these themes hit too close to home or could potentially be damaging, please feel free to skip this episode and join us again next time. Otherwise, enjoy. Hi, thanks for joining us. Today we are going to talk about the hit movie Girl Interrupted. A real blast from the past from my favorite decade, the 90s. This movie is based on the 1993 memoir by Susannah Casey, who wrote about two years of her life spent at McClain Hospital in the 1960s in Massachusetts, where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Portia so when I recommended we covered this movie, I totally didn't remember the plot. I don't actually know if I saw the whole thing. I was just like, oh yeah, there's a movie with Angelina Jolie and she got an Oscar and it's probably really good. I totally forgot that the main character was diagnosed with Bpd, which I actually think is great for us to talk about because we've alluded to this diagnosis and some of our other know, I'm thinking like, what about Bob Succession White Lotus? And I still find that this is a tricky diagnosis to talk about with patients to explain to patients to explain to other. I thought, you know, Winona Ryder's character like, did a great job being like, what is it? On the borderline of what? What are you talking about? Right? [02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. And at the time, though, this was newish. Marsha Linehan hadn't written her book yet on DBT. [02:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't even think there was DBT yet. Thinking about the 1960s, I thought this film did a great job depicting what it probably was like to be psychiatrically hospitalized in the 60s, which is so different from what it's like today. Place that is very true. So this film was filmed at Harrisburg State Hospital in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. It was filmed in 1999, but it was based on McLean Hospital, which is probably the number one psychiatric hospital in our country for a long time. I think it is affiliated with Harvard, and I think they do still have some longer term units like this, but you see a lot of treatment. You know, she goes to therapy many times a week. She's sitting on the couch. Her therapist is sitting behind her. Unfortunately falls asleep at one point, which I don't think actually happens in real life, but speaks to how she felt probably like there was a disconnect and you hear about how she's there for two years. That just doesn't happen anymore. But in the did, that was the treatment. People used to be admitted and stay for a really long time until in the mid 1960s, in the Reagan era, there was this big move not just in our country but internationally to deinstitutionalize patients, right? So sort of close down these long term hospitals which we called asylums and invest more in community mental health centers. And I think I don't know this for sure, but I believe that coincided with the invention of modern day antipsychotic medication like Thorazine and the other medications that came from that, like Haldol, basically medications that could treat schizophrenia and thereby treat these patients in a way that hopefully they didn't have to live in an institution. Sadly, we haven't invested enough in the community mental health centers that were supposed to be created to sort of support patients and we've had some really awful side effects from that. Primarily homelessness and institutionalization in jails. That is the number one provider of mental health treatment in our country. How awful and disgusting is that? And again, it's because not enough money goes into these community mental health centers. So nowadays you might be admitted for a couple of days to really stabilize you, tweak your meds, but you're not getting this type of intensive, insight oriented therapy anymore that we see depicted in this movie. And I think that's really sad. You can get that if you can pay for. [05:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, it's wildly expensive. [05:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wildly expensive. And I think some places, like other, you know, hospitals might take insurance. I don't know if insurance would cover it. [05:41] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, they take some and especially for some programs. Like, I've had some people go to McLean, I've known some people to go to Silver Hills. Those two places over the years have definitely taken more of an insurance route for some of their programming and other tracks that they have. Other parts of their residences or programs are not insurance based. [06:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think that also just speaks. [06:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: To like there's not a lot of people who can afford to be somewhere for a year and pay that. So I think they've also just had to do that where it's like some of their income is insurance based and others they are able to get private pay. [06:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I would like to think that they would take insurance for more situations if insurance would freaking pay, right? But insurance is the worst. That's a whole nother tangent for another day. But they don't pay. They don't even pay know, short just it's really an abomination. Yeah. So anyway, getting back to the movie, we have an all star cast. So Winona Ryder is playing Susanna, the main character. We have Angelina Jolie playing Lisa, the woman with sociopathy. She won an Academy Award for this role. I think Winona Ryder did too. Or maybe she was nominated. I can't remember. We have Whoopi Goldberg playing Valerie, the nurse. Elizabeth Moss playing Polly, the girl who was a burned victim from childhood. Clea duvall is played. Georgina susanna's roommate. [07:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And she is in the show Veep. [07:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: That I really love. I haven't seen it before, but I've heard really good. [07:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh, it's her. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. [07:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then we had Brittany Murphy, who played Daisy. Who. That's just a tragic death and weird circumstances on its own. But I loved her, and I loved her roles in the then we had Jared Leto, who knew? Playing Toby. [07:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was like, who? Before I looked at the cast list, I was like, who is that? Why does he look so familiar? I couldn't believe it. So young. [07:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. [07:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like a baby. [07:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: They all look so young. And then we have Jeffrey Tambor playing Dr. Melvin Potts, her first psychiatrist. And then we see Vanessa Redgrave playing Dr. Wick, the female psychiatrist. And there's a lot of other characters too, but those are just some of the main heavy hitters. [08:01] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [08:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: So what did you think, Portia, about the opening? [08:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: A little confusing. I mean, I was like, Is this present know? And then I was confused because it starts with her in the hospital, right, getting her stomach pumped. [08:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Then I think the very first thing is you see, like, a broken light bulb in a syringe, and the girl's like, in the psych hospital, and you're like, what's going on? And then it flashes. [08:24] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So then she wakes up. [08:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, okay. [08:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So was that a flashback? Was that a memory? Is her stomach getting pumped real? I was confused with those two first scenes. [08:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, totally. And I wonder I would imagine that was kind of intentional. And then we see her being pretty aggressively restrained. We see the tube down her throat, I think, pumping her stomach. And my first thought was, what did she overdose on? This looks like they're trying to treat her for an overdose. And then someone screams out, oh, she's a wristbanger. I was like, what does that mean? And she said something about, there's no bones in my hand. And I was like, what is going on here? But I think it did give a pretty good snapshot into her mental state at that point in time. I was like, okay, she's overdosed on something that's dangerous enough where they have to aggressively pump her stomach. Now, we can't wait. We have to hold her down before we even get a sedative in her. Maybe back then they didn't even really have sedatives. Honestly, I'm not sure when things like Adivan and stuff were invented. And that thing about not having bones in her hand made me think, is she psychotic? Is she not? What's going on? Then we see her lock eyes with that man in the hallway, who we later learn is, like, her dad's colleague who's married, and she's had some sort of sexual relationship with him. And then she's pretty quickly seeing a psychiatrist in his home. You see her looking out the door, seeing his family and looking out the window and seeing her mom unpacking a suitcase. And I was like, Uhoh, yeah. [10:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And still does happen. But I think it was more common in the past with these kind of, like, voluntary, but involuntary getting someone to treatment. Right. So it's like, whether you're an adolescent, and it's not voluntary at all, and your parents are taking you there, so it's under their voluntary, but not telling them where they're going. So, hey, we're going to go for a car ride. They don't know their suitcases packed, and then we're taking you to treatment. Or the horror stories of those wilderness camps where you're, like, abducted in the middle of the night. I was kind of thinking of that with Susanna being an adult. Right. It's like, in my head, I'm like, at any time, she can kind of. [10:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Back out of this. Well, can she? It turns out she couldn't. Right. [10:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That was also my question was, why. [10:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Was it different in the so I don't know the full rules, but I do know that a lot of things they depicted in terms of getting her to the hospital don't happen these days. So she's seeing this psychiatrist. So an old white man, by the way, and he doesn't do this anymore. He very readily volunteers that way to instill confidence in your patient. I thought he was very shaming. I didn't like the way he spoke to her. He was not connecting with her. It was very clear she was, like, a bother to him in that the way he was saying, like, I'm just doing this as a favor to your dad. Why are you doing this to everyone around you? I just thought it was awful. What a terrible way to treat someone who is just clearly attempted suicide, even if she's saying, I always just had a headache. I didn't mean to take that much. It's clear what was going on. And then he just puts her in a cab and trusts the cab driver to take her to the psychiatric hospital. Okay. Yeah. Okay. [11:49] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's his responsibility. [11:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: We 100% don't do that. If you need to send someone to the psychiatric hospital, hopefully you can talk with them and talk with their family and come up with a plan where they're on board. That's the ideal way, right, to sort of have their family bring them, and they're voluntarily seeking help. Sometimes people aren't willing to go and they need to go for their safety. And that's when, at least in the state of Connecticut, a psychiatrist can involuntarily hospitalize someone by signing what's called the Physician's Emergency Certificate or a PEC form. There's only two conditions in our state where you can basically take away someone's civil liberties by saying you have to be institutionalized against your will. That would be if you are an imminent threat to yourself or someone else. So in terms of like suicidality or homicidal threats or if you are so gravely disabled from your mental illness that there is fear of your being able to survive without immediate intervention. So people who unfortunately have something like a psychotic disorder, who aren't eating, who are harming themselves in some way but might not realize it like if they have diabetes and aren't taking their insulin, things like that. But it has to be really severe in order for you to be able to check that box. You can't check it for things like substance abuse. That's a different type of involuntary commitment and that one's really hard to get. [13:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You can also send people involuntarily to the hospital just for the eval. You know what I mean? Like cops can do that. [13:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're right. Sometimes people will voluntarily sign themselves in. Once you do that, though, you can't voluntarily sign yourself out. Usually the team does have to kind of be in agreement that you're ready to leave. If not, then they could petition the courts to then involuntarily commit you to sort of see out your treatment. But it's not like, for two years anymore. [13:44] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. So we learn later in the movie. But that Lisa has been there for eight years. [13:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Not surprising, right, given her personality pathology. And it seems like she frequently elopes, which is the fancy word to say. [13:59] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You know, my question was just thinking about is she making herself known? Is she kind of coming back? Is she presenting in a hospital somewhere? Like, how are they finding her? [14:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Are they finding her or is she finding them? Does she have some sort of tie of dependency to the institution that's been taking care of her? Because it seems like she's like the leader in some ways. Right. And I thought that I mean, what were your thoughts, Portia, of Angelina Jolie's depiction of Lisa with antisocial personality disorder? [14:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I thought it was good because you can see how those people can kind of suck others in yes. [14:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: That charming. [14:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And appear really interesting and powerful and fun and light and it's almost like they know what you need. So she was all these things to different people. [14:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. And then knows also how to get under people's skin. Like we see with Daisy in a really sinister way. [14:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, yeah. Like horrific. I mean, I didn't really, I guess, get the flair of oh, my. Like, I really don't like her. She's horrible. Until that moment. [15:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Right. [15:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Until the because she doesn't let it go. It wasn't just like, oh, I kind of threw this out there. Maybe someone may do that. I'm thinking maybe who has, like, a borderline personality disorder. They're kind of pushing the limits a little bit, but take it that far is not typical, right? [15:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I thought at first in seeing her on the screen, I thought she was depicting Bpd because she comes in very provocative. You can tell, like, the staff is all up in arms, right? Like, Nurse Valerie, played by Whoopi Goldberg, I think is helping Susanna settle in and then gets some kind of someone comes in, like, whispers in her ear, like and then you see all the staff is ah. Some of the patients there get really nervous, but then some of them are excited to see her again. I think that actually displayed the concept of splitting really well. That these types of patients tend to rile people up. And some people are on the good side, some are on the bad side. And then you pit them against each other. [16:05] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Really manipulative. [16:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really manipulative. And so at first, I thought that was the type of character she was portraying until the movie went on. And you'd see her get under people's skin and then not let go. And you could sense she got off on that. Even in the rolling chair when she steals the nurse's pen and has it at her throat with that sort of suicidal gesture. You got the sense they've done this before. You knew that this nurse had opened. [16:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Up to her, which huge red flag. [16:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Don't do that. [16:37] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And also, though, it's like that is most likely to happen with that kind of a patient, 100%. They're really good at getting under your. [16:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Skin and getting you to open up to feel safe and comfortable. This is how serial killers abduct people. This is how it happens. So I thought she did an amazing job portraying both sides of that. Like, both the charming, fun, playful nature that attracts people and then that sinister, manipulative, sadistic side. [17:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, not being impacted by Daisy's death. So, like, Susanna is very appropriate reaction. And again, I'm saying this like, ha ha. But even someone with a personality disorder. [17:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: It'S like, yeah, because she has appropriate. [17:25] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Emotions that maybe are extreme. But like, wow, you see someone who a dead body, someone who's hanging very disturbing. And you have this emotional reaction because you're a human with you know, Lisa. [17:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is not she takes her money and she goes I think, again, that was just such smart writing and depiction. I guess I was reading that didn't actually happen. Like, they didn't escape together. I was reading a little bit on Wikipedia about the author's take on this movie and I think she actually didn't love it. But there were some things that didn't actually happen like that scene. So whether it happened or not, I hope it didn't for daisy's Sake. But it was really smart writing to portray these two women who are both struggling psychiatrically, but with different personality flavors. And I think you do see some overlap between the Bpd and ASPD antisocial personality disorder, which, again, are all under the same cluster of personality development, like the provocative nature, the splitting, the intense mood swings, the all or nothing way of thinking and feeling and relating to people. But you see how antisocial personality disorder is different, right? [18:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: There's lacking empathy, there's lacking people with Bpd can relate to others. They do experience emotions appropriately and sometimes extreme. It's not a lack of in most cases, it's intense. [18:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly. [18:48] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Too many emotions. [18:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's a very intense emotions for the situation, but you still experience them. And they're not always, quote unquote, too intense. Sometimes they're totally accurate. But even, like, the scene with Susanna and Valerie where Susanna's in the bathtub, and she says awful things to thought. I don't know about you, but I felt like that was the scene where I really saw the Bpd side of Susanna. Kind of like until then, I was like, I don't really know if I buy that she has this diagnosis or if she's just, like, a struggling. Like, maybe it's a little too early to diagnose her with something like this, but then she really throws out, like, racial slurs, really derogatory things. Because I think Valerie was trying to connect with her. And I think for someone with Bpd, that feels very scary. Right. It's like you crave attachment, and you also fear it because you might lose it. So I felt like that was her trying to push her away in a really extreme way. And then later, though, you see that Susanna has a lot of remorse and guilt for what she said, whereas someone like Lisa would not. Daisy's character as well, is very you. [20:04] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Know, I think there's a lot there. I think also, if we're going on what Lisa said is true, which sounded like her dad was molesting her for. [20:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And again, like, no one else had kind of brought that up. And I do feel like people with sociopathic traits have this uncanny ability to sniff these things out and pull them out. Right. I don't know how, but they do. They can sense this stuff and pull it out and really dig at you. Yeah. [20:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: We didn't know that until that scene where she was kind of pushed over the edge. But she talked about being wealthy a lot. It seemed like she was abusing laxatives. They were kind of trading colase for Valium, which can happen at residential or inpatient places. That's why you're typically supposed to show your mouth. You lift your tongue, move it around to show that you're not tonguing meds. [21:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Or cheeking them or throwing them up afterwards before they've been metabolized. Yeah. [21:07] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So that's a part that's just I mean, it can happen, and it is. [21:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: What it is, but it does happen. [21:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The trading is just so unhelpful, right? Because it's like you don't know what drugs you're trading something for that then you're taking could be interacting with something else that your prescriber is giving you that they don't know that you're doing this. Very dangerous do not do thought. And maybe you can speak on this a little bit. It was interesting, which I know would never happen. [21:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [21:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So before she's seen by a medical and I'm talking about Susannah before she's evaluated or sees any psychiatrist, she's already taking medication and they're giving her laxative. Why? [21:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought they were giving her sleeping pill at first. Well, I guess they also give her choli. Right? [21:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, anyway, but any medication. [21:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. So there were definitely, I would say, some positive elements of the movie about the way they depicted mental health treatment back at that time. As it was. It could be at these beautiful institutions where you would have, like, a nurse's station. Then the patients would have their rooms. There'd be a common area. There would be other rooms like the art room, the music room, stuff like that. I think even nowadays, at more residential type places, you try to have that stuff so that during the day, you're not just sitting around, there's some therapeutic intervention. Right. So that I thought was pretty positive and spot probably, I would imagine McLean still might kind of look like that. The things that I thought were not great was that, like you said, she didn't see a psychiatrist at all and she's already taking medication. Like, that doesn't happen nowadays, and she. [22:34] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Wasn'T already on it. [22:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's not like they were continuing what she was on. But even for that, if you're admitted to a psychiatric hospital and you get to the unit at 03:00 in the morning, there's a psychiatrist on staff who will at least come and do a physical exam. Listen to your heart, listen to your lungs, check your blood pressure. [22:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You're getting labs. [22:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: You're getting labs done. Maybe you need an EKG just because they might have hurts like a murmur or you're on a medication, they want to make sure that your heart is functioning okay, especially her, who just had a recent overdose. And then you go through like, do you have any allergies? What other medications do you take? Do you have any dietary preferences? Nowadays they also ask you what are your pronouns? All of this stuff happens the second you hit the floor. It doesn't wait till the morning. You might not meet your primary treater and get into the therapy side of things at 03:00 in the morning, but you would have that done, and you would talk about what medications they were going to prescribe or not and why and why. So I didn't like that. And you can't force anyone to take medication. That's the other thing that was inaccurate and made me upset, is like when susannah would express, like, I don't want to take this. You can't force them. That is totally coarse. If you can't do that, you need a court order to give anyone medication, which sometimes you do have to apply for, and sometimes it is granted. Like, if you have a patient with really severe chronic schizophrenia who needs their injectable antipsychotic to maintain wellness, that gets really tricky. But for stool softener, no one's forcing you to take a stool softener, okay? And like you said, they do like, tongue and cheek checks and make sure you are taking your medication. And they depicted that sometimes, but not all the time. But yeah, the chicken carcasses. What do you think about that? Interesting. [24:20] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I mean, it seemed like she does like, purge, right? So either laxative use or there was some alluding to maybe some binging, like some little bit of bulimia both at the unit and then when she was in her apartment. That made me think that again, I mean, I'm going very loosely making that diagnosis. I also would say that the other patient on the unit who appears to have anorexia, which the weird comment of she's like, yelling about wanting her clothes, and then the nurse says, then you'll have to eat something, does not happen. [24:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: Now you can't manipulate people to eat. [24:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And also that's typically why there are now so many separate units. It's very unhelpful and doesn't happen frequently to have eating disorder patients within a general psych population. They are, I think, inpatient like, in a hospital can go to like a medical but even then there are very specific and I think there's really only like a couple in the country, but there's a Cute out west, and then there is Walden and McLean out east, where they have inpatient units specifically for that. Because I think it's so important for staff to be trained in a very specific way. [25:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: I did think some of the stuff they portrayed, like not giving you your clothes until you eat doesn't happen. Other stuff, though, that they portrayed, like her exercising all the time on the unit, super accurate. And that's one of the things that the staff get trained in is like, being able to pick up these subtle ways of exercising in an attempt to burn calories and things like that. [25:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, a lot of patients will share that if they are admitted into a general hospital and they do have primary ed, it's often like the worst time, which, again, is probably for many different reasons. One, they're so medically compromised. Two, this is like the beginning of the long road of often. Then maybe you're switching to an inpatient ed unit and then residential and then PHP and then IOP. There is some controversy in the community with the ethics around tube feeding. There's even more controversy within it if you are being tubed placing and pulling same day or for each meal to get you off the tube, they want you to eat, and typically you're tubed if you're really malnourished or if you're refusing. Again, I don't think they can make you without a court order, but they'll do that if you're refusing. [26:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I think that gets really tricky. And it's probably when they call for a capacity evaluation where a psychiatrist I would believe a medical doctor could do it too. Medical doctor being like internal medicine, someone who's not a psychiatrist, but still a physician would evaluate, does this patient have the capacity to refuse meals when they're this malnourished? Or is that malnourishment causing impaired cognitive what is the ethical decision of like can you make this decision knowing it's going to hasten your death or not? I mean, that's probably a huge ethical. [27:18] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And there was a case and the judge sided with the patient and the patient went on to die. They went into hospice. Just it's really horrible. Do not recommend. But these places are there for you because you are that know, you really need support. So anyway, Janet should be, I think, in a more specialized unit where she's getting meal coaching other than just being threatened or withholding other things. [27:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [27:45] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think there were some eating disorder places around Renfrew's really old. They started in Philadelphia. They're all over now, but they're like the oldest big center for eating disorder. So if they were open then she should have been there. I think she probably would have gotten better care and more specialized care. So she should transfer if it opens soon. [28:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, and I'm just thinking too, back in that time, in the mid sixty s, I feel like a lot of the treatment was still very psychoanalytic. Right. So I don't know how much about. [28:16] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Your mother, let's lie down and talk about your mom. [28:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: And as a psychodynamic, psychotherapist I so fully believe in, there's huge connections cases in certain instances. Right. [28:30] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: But we need meal coaching, we need behavioral treatment, which often is DBT, and we absolutely need but I will say, too, like at that level of care, it's really hard, I think, when you're also that malnourished to exactly do that. [28:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what I was going to say. Right. Like at the right time for the right patients. I feel like back then and again, I don't know, I wasn't alive in the 60s, but I feel like that's what everyone got. [28:54] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [28:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: And maybe that was like all we really had back then. We didn't really have the antipsychotics and stuff were just starting to come out. Maybe like CBT, DBT, these things, I don't think they were really out there yet. So yeah, I would imagine Janet was getting substandard care based on today's standards. And then it's like, well, I think Susannah was getting really good care based on today's standards. The difference in the comparison is really interesting. [29:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I wanted to just if you haven't listened yet, check out our episode on Shutter Island. Because that was in, I think, around the same late fifty s the mid to early 50s. So that's not that far off from this movie. Maybe, though, ten years can make a difference. However, I think this is also, again, like a private institution versus a forensic state forensic unit. Right. [29:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: But you're right, it's really interesting to sort of watch both of those and kind of compare and contrast them and they do get some of the historical points accurate. And I feel like back in the 60s, again, that was when a lot of these hospitals were being shut down in an effort to have people be treated in the community. Which again, is like, great, let's do it. But the money to actually do it, guys. [30:08] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, no, totally. That's a huge problem. Anyway, there was a lot of other things wrong, like the orderly having oh. [30:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: My God, sexual relations. Even like them allowing her to make out or have sex with her boyfriend. No, you're not letting when people come to visit you, you don't just get to go behind closed doors and have a conjugal visit. [30:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's like a therapy session or you're playing a game. It's out in the open visiting time. [30:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's boundaries, especially for a patient like her. And how did the girls keep escaping and going to the basement all the time? There's people on staff overnight. The room check thing was accurate. You do come in and do checks at first, they are every 15 minutes. So I think that's really disruptive to your sleep. And we know how important sleep is to your mental health. [30:51] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So I've done checks. I only had to do one, thank goodness, because I'm not an overnighter gal. But when I worked at a residential, I did get mandated to stay once overnight. And having to do ten minute checks on a new patient, because typically when they're new, they're on the highest level of watch. [31:09] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [31:10] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So it just sucks, a, because I wasn't used to being on night shift, but yeah, it's really hard to do as an employee or as a mental health professional. And then also, I'm sure the patient didn't love it either, right. [31:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because they're not just like opening the door to see if you're there. They have to make sure you're safe. Right. So if you're turned and facing the wall and sleeping, they have to shine the light in your eye, make sure not only are you breathing, but you're not hoarding some sort of weapon or things like that. So that actually was accurate. But then I was like, if they're doing the checks, there's no one in the hallways. That's just not how it happens. I don't think they would have been able to escape. I thought this scene with them all reading their files was fascinating. And to me, it kind of reminds me of like, nowadays when patients have access to their notes and stuff like that, and how that is interesting and I think different for someone reading their note from their primary care annual physical and their therapy work. Right. What were your thoughts about all that? [32:11] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think we talked about this in another episode, but I'm going to bring it up again. You're supposed to write your note like there's a lawyer on one shoulder and the patient on the other. So I think though, with more electronic medical records and with more open chart things like we have my chart here, maybe that's international, maybe it's national. It's basically where you can log in, send a message to your provider, look at your lab work, et cetera, schedule appointments, also see the notes. And so there are some questions around is it helpful or not for that to be in the mental health world? And is there like a level of notes that should be shared versus not what's helpful? [32:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: What do you think? [32:52] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think that patients should absolutely have access to treatment plans. I think that having access to all of your notes all the time, reading them on your own, is unhelpful. I totally agree. I think if you need to see the notes, you should be going over them with the provider so you can explain things. So if there's any questions or context, they can ask questions and not feel any kind. It shouldn't be negative. And they might be like, oh, well, what is that? What did that mean? And then you're there to explain exactly what that meant. [33:29] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. I think, though, kind of like these women reading their files, it can be jarring. I don't think I'd want to read my psychological assessment of myself by myself. I feel like that's like really I. [33:43] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Think it's more damaging it can be. [33:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think it can really damage the therapeutic alliance with your provider too, because not everything you're observing the patient's going to see and that's going to. [33:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Be it might not be ready to see. [33:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. [33:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'll just say too, just for clarity, we're not talking **** about you in your notes, we're writing things from our perspective, from our professional perspective of what's happening. Sometimes maybe we're wrong too, interpreted something wrong. So it's really for documenting purposes, it's for billing. [34:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [34:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And sometimes we might not do it perfectly. So I think that's I would lead. [34:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: With that preference and I think with, again, notes and stuff like that being more and more open, I feel like they've just become less and less helpful. I guess you leave so much out and you just have to keep it in your head, right, that it's kind of unfortunate. I do find myself being like, well, if this person ever read this, how would they feel about this? And I do think that can go both ways. On the one hand, I think it can help you remain not compassionate, but help you stay in a neutral space. And a lot of times be mindful of your own unconscious biases and be like, well, why am I putting this word in? Does it really need to be there or not? And on the negative side, it can make you withhold things that really should be there, but you're worried about if they read it before they're ready, how is that going to affect them? How will that affect our therapeutic alliance and their future treatment? And is that worth it? [35:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Right? [35:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is that potential negative effect worth it? It's real tricky. [35:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It is. No, I totally agree. It's nuanced. I think most providers feel the same way we do. [35:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I did think how interesting that this film, filmed decades ago, based on a time even further in the past, is still, like, on the pulse with something really active, like, in the mental health field presently. And I also thought it amazingly depicted how mental health providers really struggle to tell people their directly. It seems like none of these girls really knew, what am I here for? What am I being treated for? Some of them did. They were like, oh, Elisa, you're a sociopath. We all know know. But, like, Susanna being like, borderline personality disorder? What is that? [36:19] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And then when she's in her family therapy session, she's like, what is that? And apparently the doctor's been telling her parents, but not her. [36:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right? And she is an adult. This isn't like a 14 year old. And especially, I don't know about you, Portia, but I feel like in the mental health field, we tiptoe around this diagnosis, and so we're so hesitant to talk about it and share it with people. And why do you think that is? [36:44] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I think because societally, there are negative connotations with it. And I think that at least that's my discomfort sometimes. Versus I think the more we accurately diagnose people who have Borderline and talk about it, the better care they will get, because then we know the treatment plan and they can get better. We have more than people to participate in studies, there's more research. I think we really should be accurately diagnosing the disorder and also teaching clients about it and giving them education is, like, best practice. But I think in our society, like, Bpd has a lot of negative even I think it's even, like, joked about, you're crazy, and it's females. Obviously, we're careful of that, but I think ultimately, it does more damage, not sharing or being, for sure, hesitant. But again, diagnosing someone with a personality disorder does not happen immediately. One assessment, you're getting there with tons of data and information, and over time, it's like, you're probably there, right? [37:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: Let's just call it what it is, right? But yeah, I think that reminds me of, like, early on in the movie. I think it's in this scene when she's reading her file and she sees a cluster of diagnoses at the beginning. I can't remember what they were. Do you remember what they were. Yeah, they're not accurate today anymore. We call them different things now. [38:09] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So it says Psychoneurotic Depressive Reaction, personality Pattern Disturbance resistant, mixed type, and then undifferentiated schizophrenia. [38:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Those were yeah. And then all of a sudden, at the bottom, it's like, final diagnosis borderline Personality disorder. So can you imagine? Again, it's like, okay, she's reading all these words. Like, even as a psychiatrist, I don't understand what those early diagnosis mean because we don't use them anymore. They're a lot of big words that are confusing. So it's really hard for her to make sense of, like, what does that mean? And she goes and grabs it, looks like a DSM or something, and starts reading about it and is, like, all up in arms. And I just think, what a sad way for her to find out and then to also hear it in the family therapy where her parents know before she knows, but we're all keeping it. [38:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Quiet, like talk about it. [38:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think I loved when she said borderline of what? Like, what does that mean? And, you know, the way I was taught to think about it and where I think the phrase comes from. And again, I will say I don't love that we call certain things personality disorders. I feel like even that phrase is really stigmatizing. I don't know of a better one, though. [39:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So much of we find in patients who have borderline personality disorder, there typically is some sort of attachment trauma. [39:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes. [39:28] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And so I would love for there to be a more specific trauma diagnosis other than PTSD or complex PTSD that talks more about attachment and how that then impacts relationships. I think that would be so much more helpful, better fit for people to understand. [39:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right, 100%. And I think when we use the word borderline, I believe where it came from is, again, harkening back to those psychoanalytic days, which we see in this movie of thinking about what are the defense mechanisms different people with different illnesses tend to use to live with and cope with their illness. And when we think of people in broad strokes, we think of people falling into what we call, like, the neurotic realm of personality development. These are people with, like, anxiety disorders, OCD, things like that, eating disorders. And then we think on the other end of the spectrum are people with psychotic disorders who use different types of defense mechanisms that are disconnected from reality, whereas people with neurotic disorders are maybe like uber connected to reality or a little too in their head. Borderline falls in the middle, where you sort of display some neurotic defense mechanisms and some psychotic defense mechanisms that doesn't make sense to the average person. And even as I'm trying to explain it, it's really confusing. But these are patients she did say in the movie, which was accurate, with an unstable sense of self, unstable moods, like a lot of mood swings again, some safety concerns in the most severe cases, which we see with her right at the beginning. But, again, it's like what I also loved about this movie was when they captured her at this age because some of these personality traits, again, not the safety concerns, like, we'll put that over here on the side. But some of the other stuff, the big mood swings, the idealization devaluation, the splitting that is normal in development from when you're very young, like, born to as you're growing up into adolescence. And then as your brain matures and you mature, you're able to sort of hold on to good and bad feelings and thoughts simultaneously. But that takes time. It does. And so a lot of people are also really hesitant to make this diagnosis, I hope, in a teenager or young adult, until you really see these traits and these issues sort of being persistent and present across all different facets of someone's life and over a long period of time. Otherwise, it does raise the question of is this just quote, unquote, like normal adolescent angst, like the suicide attempt? No, but some of her questions to Dr. Wick, like, well, how many partners is promiscuous? And what is it for a man, like, totally trapped, right? [42:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And for the time, just thinking of being in the think thinking of Susannah and then her mom, I would say probably very different expectations for how to behave. They talk the Vietnam War. There's a draft going on. So I think this is also just like, a very culturally changing time for so many behaviors might seem so unsafe besides the safety safety issues, like the promiscuity that they keep talking about to even the doctors, right? Because they're of that other generation as well, that maybe is having just more of that judgment or thinking it's more of a behavior than her. Just like right in the 60s as a young adult, like, expressing herself and her sexuality, right? [43:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then it's like, well, yeah, and having sex with an older man who's married. Again, I felt like there was so much almost blame put on her. But it's like, what about him? Right? [43:15] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: The mom are there at the ice cream store for that scene, and that wife and daughter come in, and Susanna susanna's trying to kind of hide herself initially. And then the mom sees her, comes over and is like, It's her fault. And it's also like, okay, but of course, right, like, you're so you're not blaming the adult in the situation, your husband, who's and, you know, she's single, she's young. Of course it's her fault, right? [43:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's all these assumptions and a lot of blame on her. But it's like, what about him? And taking advantage of a younger girl. And again, not saying that there aren't cases where maybe the younger girl is more of the instigator, I guess you could say. But still, I was like, I see her point here. [43:58] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Well, and then he was continuing to want to follow up, and she remember at the beginning like, no. And kind of shuts the door on him. So even that felt like it was a little bit more on him, or else it was going to be more on him. But at the ice cream scene, I do think that that is when Susanna does kind of or Lisa's actions to kind of save Susanna is where Susanna does really align with her, and that's how that then, you know, then Lisa gets her trust on her. [44:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think Lisa, with her sociopathic traits, can sniff out who's vulnerable. And I do think people with Bpd are vulnerable to attracting toxicity or finding themselves in these toxic relationships. Like, hearkening back to Tanya from White Lotus. As we're talking now, I'm wondering if that suicide attempt was somehow connected to that relationship with that man. Like if in some way she felt rejected and then attempted suicide. And if somehow, maybe the doctors knew that and we didn't quite hear that as a viewer. But that, to me would give more of more evidence for a true Bpd type of diagnosis where really the core inner wound and fear is related to attachment and feelings of abandonment or rejection are really hard to navigate, I think. As we wrap up, I wanted to just ask you, do you think Lisa would have actually been crying at the end? I did think her and the four point restraints were those are what restraints look like. Even these days, restraining someone is like the soul crushing thing that you have to do sometimes as a psychiatrist on inpatient units like this, when there's a real safety issue happening, we try to do it in the least restrictive way as possible. You do see another character earlier in the movie in a straitjacket. We really don't use those anymore, but what you saw depicted is what strait jackets looked like, and they were used back then. Do you think Lisa would have cried with Susanna's departure? [45:57] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: If the tears were real, they would. [45:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Have to be about she's. [46:03] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. [46:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't think she's feeling sad to lose her friend. I think she's being manipulative. The tears are real about her to make Susanna feel bad for saying all those things. I think that is what it is. But I don't think a true sociopath is capable of having tears or really know if someone's coming or going. Right. [46:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I also think, just like to add to Lisa is that the reason that we wanted to deinstitutionalize people is because you can become institutionalized, where you get used to living in a state like that, which I would also say you're around trauma a lot, and chaos. It's scary setting things. So I think that also, after eight years, I would imagine changes someone, and. [46:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: You become dependent on the institution. [46:50] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like, why she's there, sure. But for her to be there for eight years, I think also must impact her everything. So I'm just curious, even just thinking about what has that done to her? That's why we like to keep people in the communities, in their communities. It is what's best when there are enough resources. So I think that's also just something to think about, like, how have the eight years been there for her, impacted her? [47:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. It's kind of like what we see when people are in the criminal justice system for a long time, then they get released and they reoffend and come back. Sometimes they don't know how to survive anymore, like, outside of an institution like that. [47:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: All right, well, thanks for joining us today. We hope that you enjoyed today's episode. If you did, please feel free to rate the episode with five stars and then check us out on Instagram at Analyze Scripts and TikTok at Analyze Scripts podcast. And we would love for you also to subscribe. We have gotten a little bit of a bump this week and we're really. [47:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Excited about it, so we do see. [47:53] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Every subscriber add on. It brings us joy. So if you'd like to participate in. [47:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: That, feel free and spread the news. All right, see you next Monday. [48:00] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Thanks. [48:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Bye bye. [48:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: This podcast and its contents are a copyright of analyzed scripts. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited. [48:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Unless you want to share it with your friends and rate, review and subscribe, that's fine. [48:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: All stories and characters discussed are fictional in nature. No identification with actual persons, living or deceased places, buildings, or products is intended or should be inferred. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The podcast and its contents do not constitute professional mental health or medical advice. Listeners might consider consulting a mental health provider if they need assistance with any mental health problems or concerns. As always, please call 911 or go directly to your nearest emergency room for any psychiatric emergencies. Thanks for listening and see you next time. Don't.

Antisocial personality disorder, or ASPD, is a difficult disorder to study. There have been studies on psychopathic individuals, and on youth with psychopathic traits, but most studies on ASPD to date have been on incarcerated adults. A team of researchers at Heidelberg University wanted to study individuals who are not incarcerated and see what these findings could elucidate about the brains, in particular the amygdalas, of individuals with ASPD.Haang Jeung-Maarse is a medical doctor at Bielfeld University in Germany and is one of the authors of the paper in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology, on the effects of oxytocin on amygdala reactivity to angry faces in males and females with antisocial personality disorder.Read the full study here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-023-01549-9 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person in the enlightenment soul age group. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person in the enlightenment soul age group. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

On this episode, Cortney gets detailed about what ASPD is, what psychopathy is, how to spot it and how to protect yourself from someone with this disorder.    References: Without Conscience: The Distrurbing World of Psychopaths Among Us  by Robert D. Hare, PhD DSM5, DSM5-R

In this episode, Ross Rosenberg, M.Ed., LCPC, CADC, dives deep into the mind of a covert narcissist and delivers an explanation of the personality disorders associated with covert narcissism. This is crucial information for anyone, including Self-Love Deficients/codependents, suffering at the hands of a covert narcissist. This knowledge will help the victim have a deeper understanding of this mental health problem which stems from childhood trauma and abandonment issues, which will help them “prepare for the narcissistic storm” when unmasking their covert narcissist partner.► Visit Self-Love Recovery Institute:https://www.selfloverecovery.com► Listen to the podcast on all major platforms:https://selfloverecovery.com/pages/podcast► Ross Rosenberg's Links:YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/RossRosenbergFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheCodependencyCureInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rossrosenberg_slriTwitter: https://www.twitter.com/RossRosenberg1TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rossrosenberg► Ross Rosenberg's BiographyRoss Rosenberg M.Ed., LCPC, CADC is a psychotherapist, educator, expert witness, and celebrated author. He is also a global thought leader and clinical expert in codependency, trauma, pathological narcissism, narcissistic abuse, and addictions.Ross's pioneering codependency contributions are responsible for the sweeping theoretical and practical updates and developing a treatment program that permanently resolves it.Ross has been featured on national TV and radio and is a regular radio and podcast guest. In addition, he has traveled the world, giving his one-of-a-kind keynote presentations and educational workshops.His global impact is best illustrated by his YouTube channel with 23 million views and 246,000 subscribers, and his book, The Human Magnet Syndrome, which has sold over 155,000 copies in 12 languages.In 2013, Ross created The Self-Love Recovery Institute, a hub for his personal development, workshops, professional training, retreats, other programs, and services. Learn more at www.SelfLoveRecovery.com.Support the show

A response and my understanding or this "psychopathy" or "secondary psychopathy"co-mingled with BPD and really not in a meaningful way. I responsd ro another Youtuber - a therapist - who essentially describes BPD as Malignant Borderline Femalesby describing BPD and not explaining well or at all the delineation between "MalignantBorderline" (which is meaningless) or BPD/ASPD (controversial) from BorderlinePersonality Disorder. Less than 2 % of all women diagnosed with BPD, according toresearchers would be "malignant borderlines" = Co-morbid BPD/ASPD or even"secondary psychopaths".

Malignant Borderline is a meaningless term. An internet term not a clinical term.It is now being forwarded online as slippery language for (supposedly) co-morbid BPD/ASPD women. In this podcast I give you 8 traits of ASPD and the 4 C's that canhelp you differentiate a woman (or man) with ASPD from one with BPD.Less than 2% of all women diagnosed with BPD (according to all theresearch papers to date) fit this BPD/ASPD or "secondary psychopathy" ideologicalnarrative forwarded from what remains pseudoscience.

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person in the enlightenment soul age group. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

Topic not ideal for ego-sensitive or emotionally sensitive (on any/all life - including socio-pol-eco - topics) people. Please do not tune in. Thank you! Sharing IHP-IG 5D SEE (Krishna Leela, Shiva and Kali, and beyond infinite higher human consciousness) perspectives, food for thought, Q&As as an inspiring human potential inner growth 5D self-empowered enlightened person. The Inspiring Human Potential Inner Growth 5D SEE (Self-Empowered Enlightened) Channeled Guidance Table Talk podcast episodes are Channeled Guidance messages integrating Food For Thought messages addressing themes and topics that the collective is experiencing in this 5D ascension process, humanity's consciousness expansion, and our society's cultural restructure and transformation, as well as the planet's transformation. The IHP-IG 5D SEE Channeled Guidance podcast episodes are for: the 5D Self-Empowered Enlightened (SEE) person and collective who has a mind that embraces and applies in a day-to-day way mahasamadhi; the person who is in oneness consciousness (aka christ consciousness and/or avatar consciousness); the person who is pursuing enlightenment and spirituality the human and spiritual way and beyond (infinite consciousness mindset, lifestyle, and journey); the person who is in a state of bliss with life and humanity's evolutionary and expanding consciousness journey and process; the person who thinks and goes beyond all written text or accumulated data points; the person who knows evil doesn't exist, who knows the myth of "battling the forces of evil" has been busted and that we are "battling the forces of trauma" and NOT by actually "battling", but instead, by actually being and sharing love, compassion, understanding; the person who has somatic empathy and supports healing of trauma through the infinite capacity to love all, who chooses to bring forth unconditional love, compassion and space for all humanity, life, and the world; the person who is a life-sensitive person, NOT an ego-sensitive person; a person who does NOT battle or fight humanity, but who loves supporting however they can and uses equanimity, curiosity and creativity to handle situations. This is an IHP podcast episode for the people who navigate the infinite higher human consciousness potential realm 24/7 because they use their mind, heart, and body this way, in their creator space, and they live out the essence of love and life they are, having only expanding consciousness creation and co-creation in the forefront of everyday, and more. This episode is for you! Love, Maria

For people with BPD, dissociation is a very common problem, which is difficult to put into words. It affects so many of us, but we all experience it differently.This episode of the podcast accompanies the original YouTube video which can be found at https://youtu.be/PioZ6nMfNMU

Welcome to PsychEd, the psychiatry podcast for medical learners, by medical learners. In this episode, we present a broad overview of antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy with our guest expert - Dr. Donald Lynam. Dr. Lynam is a clinical psychologist by training, and professor at Purdue university, where he heads the Purdue's Developmental Psychopathology, Psychopathy and Personality Lab. While there may be some disagreement in the field, Dr. Lynam and I discuss how ASPD and psychopathy are two diagnostic constructs that are attempting to outline the same psychopathology, with the main difference being the degree of severity - for this reason, we use the terms antisocial and psychopathic interchangeably.    While not necessary, it may be of benefit for listeners to familiarize themselves with the DSM-V criteria for antisocial personality disorder, the psychopathy checklist (PCL), as well as the 5-factor model of personality. References for each are listed below in the references section, however, for a brief overview, one could do a quick google image search for each term (Wikipedia also has a succinct overview of the psychopathy checklist).   The learning objectives for this episode are as follows:   Develop a basic understanding of what is meant by antisocial personality and psychopathy Be aware of some of the classic traits and characteristics of antisocial/psychopathic personalities, and the general functions of these behaviors  Describe the theoretical basis for the development of antisocial personalities    Guest Expert: Dr. Donald Lynam - Clinical psychologist, Investigator at Purdue University, Indiana Produced and hosted by: Dr. Chase Thompson (PGY5 in Psychiatry) Episode guidance and feedback: Dr. Gaurav Sharma (PGY4 in Psychiatry)   Interview Content:   0:50 - Learning objectives 1:40 - Dr. Lynam discusses his path to his current research interests 3:40 - Defining the terms antisocial personality disorder, sociopathy, psychopathy 8:30 - Discussing the possibility of antisocial behaviors without an antisocial personality 12:07 - Laying out the core features of antisocial individuals  18:20 - Antisocial personality from the perspective of the Big 5 personality model 22:00 - Discussion of the high-functioning psychopathy  25:06 - Prevalence of psychopathy 30:10 - Factors relevant to the development of psychopathy 39:30 - Prognosis and clinical trajectory  44:30 - Comorbid psychopathology  46:30 - Functions of antagonism or antisocial behaviours  49:30 - Treatment    References   American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. 5th ed. 2013. Broidy LM, Nagin DS, Tremblay RE, Bates JE, Brame B, Dodge KA, Fergusson D, Horwood JL, Loeber R, Laird R, Lynam DR. Developmental trajectories of childhood disruptive behaviors and adolescent delinquency: a six-site, cross-national study. Developmental psychology. 2003 Mar;39(2):222. Babiak P, Hare RD, McLaren T. Snakes in suits: When psychopaths go to work. New York: Harper; 2007 May 8. Hare RD. The psychopathy checklist–Revised. Toronto, ON. 2003;412. Hare RD, Harpur TJ, Hakstian AR, Forth AE, Hart SD, Newman JP. The revised psychopathy checklist: reliability and factor structure. Psychological Assessment: A Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. 1990 Sep;2(3):338. Hare RD, Hart SD, Harpur TJ. Psychopathy and the DSM-IV criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Journal of abnormal psychology. 1991 Aug;100(3):391. Jones SE, Miller JD, Lynam DR. Personality, antisocial behavior, and aggression: A meta-analytic review. Journal of Criminal Justice. 2011 Jul 1;39(4):329-37. Lynam DR. Early identification of chronic offenders: Who is the fledgling psychopath?. Psychological bulletin. 1996 Sep;120(2):209. Miller JD, Lynam DR. Psychopathy and the five-factor model of personality: A replication and extension. Journal of personality assessment. 2003 Oct 1;81(2):168-78.   CPA Note: The views expressed in this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the Canadian Psychiatric Association. For more PsychEd, follow us on Twitter (@psychedpodcast), Facebook (PsychEd Podcast), and Instagram (@psyched.podcast). You can provide feedback by email at psychedpodcast@gmail.com. For more information, visit our website at psychedpodcast.org.

In this JFOD Solo episode of TYPP, John delves into a number of interesting pieces about psychology and psychiatry. We learn about how dissatisfaction in life is hardwired into our evolutionary makeup. We also learn about habits that can decrease our risk of dementia, the psychology behind expressive arts therapy, and anti-social personality disorder plus more. Support John on Patreon: patreon.com/jfod. Join John's Newsletter: jfodnews.com. 

Many people use the terms sociopathy and psychopathy interchangeably, but they have different meanings. “Sociopath” is an unofficial term to describe a person who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), whereas psychopathy describes a set of personality traits. However, ASPD and psychopathy can overlap. Learn about the differences in this video. Remember that this video is not made to attack anyone who may display these signs or anyone diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, but rather to understand and bring more awareness to the topic! This video is also for informative purposes only. It is not intended to diagnose or treat any condition.

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Joined by Andrew from my psychology class, this episode serves as a basic overview for ASPD (AntiSocial Personality Disorder) and psychopathy. Part two will delve more into how individuals with ASPD manipulate others, but this is just some background info to understand the next part. Hope you guys enjoy! Note: my pronouns are he/they!

Psychopaths, Sociopaths, ASPD, Dexter, and some stories. Join Savannah this week for a brief life check-in, and to discuss one of her favorite shows and the disorder(s?), tied to the main character. Then stick around to hear some stories from those with the same disorders, and of course, a muddy relationship story to segway into the next episode. Dexter talk starts at 5:00, stories begin at 15:00!Feel free to help the creator celebrate her upcoming birthday on April 12th via Venmo! Savannah-Moon-18

ASPD is a disorder where those affected don't feel empathy. Many serial killers and rapists have ASPD, so why haven't we been looking for a cure? An expert talks about the challenges facing ASPD research. Learn more at: radiohealthjournal.org/antisocial-personality-disorder/

That one season where we grow!

The Werewolf has been captured and judged but part of the judgement is to have him mentally assessed so that the powers that be know where to place him for the rest of eternity.He laughs at his diagnosis and if you listen you will find out why.    

Marjani Lane (@marjanilane) is one of the most well-known Black polyamorous educators and is a hugely important voice in the community when it comes to pro-Black polyamorous activism. To round off this season, we discuss Marjani's life as a queer, disabled polyamorist, as well as several controversial, hard-hitting issues in the Black polyamorous and polygamous communities: - why Marjani believes that people can be polyamorous cheaters, and that solo polyamory is a life philosophy rather than a specific lifestyle - how Marjani's physical disabilities and diagnoses of ASPD and OCPD affect how they practice polyamory - The distinction between fluid bonding and fluid exchange, and how some Black polyamorists do not feel that mainstream polyamory terms were made for them or with them in mind - How the Black community's idea of polygyny and the goal of “building an empire” to “save” the Black community ultimately tie back to white supremacy, misogynoir and a struggle with identity and acceptance - Queerphobia and ableism in the polyamorous community, and how the idea of “usefulness” serves a pro-capitalist, pro-natalist agenda that comes at the expense of the marginalised and much more. EPISODE TRANSCRIPT FOLLOW US: Leanne (@polyphiliablog): Instagram | Facebook | Tiktok | Twitter | Youtube | Patreon | Website | Shop Marjani (@marjanilane): Instagram | Clubhouse | Tiktok | Facebook | Website

On this episode of Back from the Borderline, you'll hear my interview with doctoral candidate of psychology at Brock University, Jen Roters. Jen has dedicated over ten years of her life to studying childhood adversity related to attachment and personality outcomes with a secondary specialty in sex offenders.Below are some of the concepts Jen and I cover during this episode: ■ DBT mindfulness skills ■ Why it can be so hard to find a certified DBT therapist■ Borderline personality disorder in men (and why they are often misdiagnosed with ASPD)■ How to help someone with BPD■ BPD and attachment: how to self-soothe an anxious attachment style (the most common attachment style in people with BPD)■ Emotional invalidation in relationships■ Sexual impulse control■ BPD in teenagers■ Biopsychosocial definition (a breakdown of how personality disorders develop)■ How to find a therapist covered by insurance that is a good fir for you■ Toxic shame and what it has to do with BPD■ BPD dissociation■ Childhood trauma in adults■ Instagram and mental health■ BPD recovery – what's the best approach?■ Advice for BPD loved ones Resources directly mentioned in the episode:Film | The Dhamma Brothers (documents the stories of a group of prisoners as they enter a meditation program)Book | Healing the Shame that Binds You by John BradshawBook | Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life: The New Acceptance and Commitment Therapy by Steven HayesBook | Building a Life Worth Living: A Memoir by Marsha LinehanBook | Cognitive-Behavioral Treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder by Marsha LinehanBook | The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.Article | Adverse Childhood Experiences See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Your host, Kara Fernstrom, interviews a man with Anti Social Personality Disorder, to talk how he interacts with happiness. ASPD is a particularly interesting disorder, one that is deeply associated with the somewhat ambiguous concept of psychopathy. Ben (fake name) speaks on his diagnosis, what it feels like to be different, and why psychopathy gets such a bad rap.  He describes his ideal life, how he views relationships, and what he is really thinking when he watches people get so wrapped up in interpersonal issues. This interview will answer questions you didn't know you had. As might be expected, there are moments where the conversation feels a bit weird, since it is between someone who feels with all of themselves, and someone who feels unencumbered  by emotion. Definitely worth a listen!   And, as always, if you want to support the Conquest of Bliss, you can support our Patreon, our Buy Me a Coffee, or like, share, rate and review to boost our numbers! Any support is appreciated. If you are interested in Sponsoring or volunteering with the Conquest of bliss, send an email to theconquestofbliss@gmail.com to get more information. Thanks y'all. This episode, like many, was brought to you by Kabby Productions! Warning: This Podcast contains explicit language (probably), and casual conversation about what very well might be triggering topics (also probably). Listener Discretion is advised.  Intro and background music mixed from public domain songs found on freemusicarchive.org

The person with NPD, ASPD, and psychopathy is a walking contradiction, shape-shifter, chameleon. He/she is part irrational delusion, part magical unicorn, and part Machiavellian. Tou cannot win with these disordered people. There is no winning. Beware. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/pesqueda/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/pesqueda/support

This week, I'm chatting with Seth about his experience with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). We talk about empathy, dating, misconceptions about ASPD, using the term psychopath, and more! Content warnings: murder, discussion of edibles and details of what that feels like, car accident, sex I want to chat with you about your experiences! If you are interested in being on the show, follow this link to apply!

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In today's episode sisters Alexandra Hodge and Astrid Ferguson discuss their recent sister trip to Atlanta and bring awareness to World Narcissistic Awareness Day.June 1st is World Narcissistic Awareness Day https://psychcentral.com/lib/narcissistic-abuse-affects-over-158-million-people-in-the-u-s#1 Narcissistic abuse is a form of emotional and psychological abuse. It is primarily inflicted by individuals who have either narcissistic personality disorder (NPD, which is characterized by a lack of empathy), or antisocial personality disorder (ASPD, also known as sociopaths or psychopaths), and is associated with the absence of a conscience (Listen to episodes 3 & 4 if you want to learn more about possibly being in a toxic relationship and or our commentary episode 27 where we discuss the netflix special of Malcolm and Marie) Approximately one in every 10 people is walking around without a conscience, or at best, lacks empathy. According to the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), the prevalence in the general population for antisocial personality disorder is estimated at 3.3% percent and the prevalence of narcissistic personality disorder is as high as 6% percent.There are approximately 326 million people in the U.S. (The U.S. population has increased) and 6% percent of them have narcissistic personality disorder, which equals 19,560,000people. If each of those people narcissistically abuse just five people during their lives, that amounts to an additional 97.8 million people!If you apply the same formula to the world population using the current population estimate of 7.5 billion, are you ready for this?3.3% of 7.5 billion = 247,500,000 people with antisocial personality disorder6% of 7.5 billion= 450,000,000 people with narcissistic personality disorder247,500,000 + 450,000,000 = 697,500,000 people who lack empathy, or are without a conscience. If each of those people narcissistically abuse just five people during their lives, the tally of potential damage affects over 3.4 billion people!https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/world-narcissistic-abuse-awareness-day-2017-to-feature-free-week-long-telesummit-300459442.html Some typical characteristics of narcissistic abuse include, but are certainly not limited to:Dominance Manipulation Intimidation Emotional coercion Withholding Dishonesty Extreme selfishness Guilt mongering Rejection Stonewalling Gaslighting Financial abuse Extreme jealousy Possessiveness"[o]ver 158 million people are negatively affected by narcissistic abuse. That's more people than are affected by depression, yet there is a lack of public education and awareness campaigns about it."Don’t forget to follow us on our social media accounts:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cys_podcast Facebook: Call Your Sister PodcastTwitter: @CYS_PodEmail: cysnation@gmail.comSupport the show (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/cyspodcast)

Nicole discusses her research on Antisocial Personality Disorder and the distinction with Psychopathy. Listen in for an overview on ASPD and try to visualize what this may look like in actuality.

This week we talk about Antisocial Personality Disorder and specifically Psychopaths, Sociopaths and extreme social anxiety. We attempt to look inside the minds of three serial killers. We want to stress that these are examples that are not the norm for anti social personality disorder and we do explore this disorder in this episode as well as ways to handle a person with this mental illness. Music by Otis MacDonald, Angie Roberts --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/unified/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/unified/support

This week Juli and Christina deliver solid D+ reports on Sociopaths and Narcissists while Christina's dog, Sampson, makes his debut with A+ farts that literally take your Glitter Girls breath away!  All in all, it's a hilarious & weird look into the minds of people like: Kanye West & Kim Kardashian,  Donald Trump (& probably all past Presidents), Ted Bundy, Mariah Carey, Richard Ramirez, Madonna and many others.  

Joanne Williams discusses: How to create a Psychopath- Never Say NO to them, or set any boundaries on them that is the simple answer. What is a psychopath or a narcissistic and how can we protect ourselves from them Treatment options Question of the day is: Can a Psychopath be treated? This is a cautionary tale for parents and society why boundaries and saying no is so important for a functioning society. As a Mental 30-year Mental Health Provider, I have dealt with all kinds of people and family dynamics.  I would usually see this family when things are so out of control that there is no way of helping them, because the child is in charge and the parents and siblings are being held hostage to the behaviors. This is an of an out-of-control child or young adult, without any of the family members, having the skills or having built in the skills, to say no or set appropriate boundaries as a young child and this young adult has become dangerous or revengeful and then the police or someone with more authority has to be brought in.   And unfortunately, the parents are blaming the kid, usually, instead of taking the responsibility of what was needed to happen to prevent this.  And this is how generations can perpetual anti-social behaviors, because no one learned appropriate social skills. Boundaries of saying no, are meant to be learned at developmental milestones of behavior that start to be learned at age 2.  when children start to understand that they are separate from their parents and they test the boundaries. The “terrible twos” as you may here them is the development stage of hearing no, and the parents being together and consistent with the child until they understand this is as far as the child can go safely.  Saying no is showing that you care enough to take the time to teach your child what it is to give and take in a relationship and know that is love.  Then again in teenage years they go through this again and hopefully, they learned at the 2 year old level and the teens will be much easier then. I see narcissism or anti-social behaviors as not having learned, the key word here is NO, or learned, to be empathic to others. These are the qualities of both a narcissist and a Psychopath we call anti-social personality as the clinical diagnosis not psychopath. There are certain traits associated with ASPD that you can watch for if you are in a relationship with or a boss or in your child. Some of the more common signs of anti-social Personality DO include: socially irresponsible behavior ( not having learned what responsible behavior is) disregarding or violating the rights of others ( no one showing them what is a personal boundary and boundaries of others) inability to distinguish between right and wrong (learning the word no) difficulty with showing remorse or empathy ( learning having to care about another human or animal) tendency to lie often (they have figure out how to get their needs met by manipulation) manipulating and hurting others ( it works and gets the results they want and no on stops them) recurring problems with the law ( this becomes the big no, our court and law enforcement) general disregard towards safety and responsibility ( no one cares for me, why should I care about them or myself, truly they are hurt little children that are grown up now and left to their own devices to survive in an uncaring world) Where if you combine these symptoms with narcissist- characterized by: an inflated sense of importance a deep need for excessive attention and admiration lack of empathy for others often having troubled relationships preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love (Corporate Ceo) belief they’re special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions. (Politicians) need for excessive admiration (Tv stars) sense of entitlement interpersonally exploitative behavior envy of others or a belief that others are envious of them demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes What it boils down to, says licensed therapist  Rebecca Weiler, LMHC is selfishness at the (usually extreme) expense of others, plus the inability to consider others’ feelings at all. Again no one teaching them what is appropriate behaviors or caring about others, because no one cared about me. Or no one setting boundaries. NPD, like most mental health or personality disorders, isn’t black and white. “Narcissism falls on a spectrum,” explains Beverly Hills family and relationship psychotherapist Dr. Fran Walfish, author of “The Self-Aware Parent.”  With just a few symptoms presented to the full blown all-encompassing destructive symptoms. But make no mistake, they can be dangerous, that charming way of seducing you, telling you what you want to hear and one therapist call it ‘love bombing’ you, can change quickly, if their fragile sense of themselves is hurt.   They can seek revenge and be dangerous in a relationship.   As we often see in domestic violence.    Seek help if you are ever feeling threaten by a person you are in a relationship with, leaving can be the most dangerous time, because that narcissists may feel that you have bruised their inflated sense of importance or they feel abandoned and have no healthy coping skills to work with it out themselves, because again they never learned them from their initial family. And do look for vulnerable people to control. Once you aren’t that they usually will seek to find someone else to control or see you as an object of their, they are losing. In January 2021 in a FB live after the insurrection on Jan. 6th at the Capital I did a FB live about these tendencies and what to watch out for.   I believe that is what we saw these same behaviors in White supremacy at the capital.  No one was saying NO to them and a past president was supportive their abusive behaviors, in my opinion. People are intimidated by their power and control.  Just like the KKK in the south. This is continuing right now with barbed wire around our National Capital building.   Or in corporate American where one study found that 20 % of American CEO had Psychopathic tendencies. They seek Power and control and learned how to manipulate people and things to bend to their needs.   What brought this up for me to write about was that I was watching some Muscovy ducks, who have multiply colored ducks the size of turkey, that have made our yard their home. A new adolescent duck flew in and tried to take dominance over the older well-established duck, that had dominance over a female duck.  The new adolescent duck come to establish his dominance, They literally fought for 15-20 minutes on land and on water to subjugate one of them and the established older duck won. He said one no, I am the boss and this is my girl, not yours. He did remain dominant. This young stud give in and they are all living together, after the setting of boundaries.  So nature is the example of this also. It also made me start to even think about racism and slavery, where it started how it started, how its continued. It's about not ever being able to say no  and building a system that does say no to someone who is trying to exert their rights or be independent if they are not the right color to the ones in power, being subjugated by ones in power, or a system that is set up to subjugate and say no.   I started to think about slaves plucked out of their own environment their home environment. Put a chains, treated like sub humans, put in, hold of a ship and thrown scraps of food and sold as things. Demoralized completely subjugated taken out of their home away from family as a way to break them as a way to say the biggest No ever. Bring them to a new environment you've never experienced, thrown into a new way of life, that your head must be continuing to spin, put in a system that supports that No against you. You cannot leave, you cannot be free. you cannot exert any rights. Cannot vote,   A system built on fear of physical violence to you.  Having a system of No for most to be subjugated for the few benefits. What does this system sound like it is based on?  Psychopathology and narcissism to the nth degree.  A system that is still in place today, that is showing itself to us all, but, has been for most people of color forever.  Right now, there are 100 legislative bills that are before state governments to restrict or make it harder for minorities to vote, to never have a voice.  Can we say NO to them? Yes we can with our votes. Is it time for this subjugation system to stop?  According to Mary Trump, the niece of Donald Trump, wrote a book about it. The title is ‘To much and Never Enough’. Just the title explains it. No one ever said no to him and he has terrorized his family and ours. As a Psychologist that is what she is illuding to in the Trump family that created the sociopath that we just spent the last 4 years having to deal with as a country. No one said no to him. So, what can we do for our children or learn from this? In my counseling practice, what I witnessed was that in either direction can produce a Narcissist or a psychopath, Either, overindulging a child and never setting boundaries, or never saying no and just giving in to them and giving them anything they want, or being neglectful or emotional abandoning them or never being emotional available to them. Without anyone loving them enough to teach them what is appropriate boundaries in relationships or what does it mean to care for another person can lead to both narcissism and anti-social personality or the creation of a psychopath. We need to learn how to set boundaries or what is appropriate social behaviors and how to say no and mean it without abuse or threats. To be consist and follow thru on what you say and stick to it for the good of the child and family.  Seek help early from a professional, do not wait, if you school or neighbors, tell you your child is a bully. More men than women have this diagnosis. Technically, to receive an ASPD diagnosis, you have to be 18 years of age. But some people will show signs of conduct disorder, which may be an early indicator of ASPD, as early as age 11. It’s a chronic condition that seems to improve with age. Mortality rates are higher in people with ASPD because of their behavior. However, Dr. Masand, clinical director or Healthy ways, counseling,  says a true ASPD diagnoses is not made until the age of 18. “For most people, the worst of the behavior occurs in the late teen years throughout the twenties,” he explains. It will be apparent generally in grade school, the bully on the playground. To get a proper diagnosis, a mental health professional will conduct a full mental health profile. The mental health professional will also look at medical history. This full evaluation is a critical step since ASPD tends to show comorbidity with other mental health and addictive disorders. Since a true ASPD diagnosis is typically delayed until the age of 18, adolescents and teens that present with similar symptoms younger with behaviors  for conduct disorder (CD) or oppositional defiant disorder (ODD). Of the two behavior disorders, CD is more severe than ODD. When determining if a child has ODDTrusted Source, clinicians will look at how they act around people they know. Typically, someone with ODD is more likely to act oppositional or defiant around family members, teachers, or a healthcare provider. If an adolescent or teen is showing an ongoing pattern of aggression toward others and they regularly make choices that are in opposition of the rules and social norms at home, school, or with peers, a clinician may decide to get help quickly.  Especially, if a child is hurting animals or setting fires.   Like the diagnostic process, treating someone with psychopathic traits that fall under the ASPD diagnosis can be difficult. Typically, a healthcare provider will use a combination of psychotherapy (talk therapy) and medication. However, personality disorders cannot be treated with medication alone. Psychotherapy can help the person understand their diagnosis and how it impacts their life and their relationships with others. A therapist will also work to develop strategies that decrease the severity of the symptoms. If medication is part of the treatment plan, a doctor might prescribe medications that treat other metal health conditions such as anxiety, depression, or symptoms of aggression. But that's why and that's how and I say this as a cautionary tale to mothers, fathers, that NO is an important boundary. No is supposed to be used, to understand right from wrong. No is a very powerful word that needs to be used in an appropriate way to say it's not okay to do this, who has stand up, as a boundary, so that they understand how to work within social norms to the betterment of the whole, not of the individual person, or family. As Americans, I think we have a lot to learn about the whole instead of the individual.  To include and be respectful of all people instead of subjugating certain parts of our society. Practice using the word No with Love and with the intention of showing love. Say it without any emotion in it.  Just a simple boundary. With a simple non emotional explanation. If you need help please reach out. For all of our sakes. This is by no means a replacement for therapy of any medical attention if you need it.  Always reach out and take care of yourself or if you are feeling like you want to hurt yourself, there is always someone standing by at 1800-273-8255 or call 911. You can contact us at anxietysimplified.net or find out more how to get an Emotional Support animal for housing or a Certified Psychiatric Service dog to go anywhere with to feel the calm. By for now. Or check out more podcasts AnxietySimplified.net  Or go to https://esapros.com for an emotional support animal or a Psychiatric Service Dog to go with you everywhere. 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Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is dysfunctional rigid thought processes, a pattern of socially irresponsible, delinquent, exploitative, guiltless & criminal behavior that begins in childhood or early adolescence and into adulthood. It is manifested by disturbances in many areas of life from family, school, work, military service that is usually a lifelong disorder.

I invite you to spend eight minutes and twenty-five seconds inside my mind.  Consider me an "Objectivist," whose favorite hobby is observing the universe to share my perception.  I didn't create this podcast to advance an agenda or make a point.  My podcast is unconcerned with tedious politics or any of the social cages people build for themselves.But I will share my observations all the same.And, if you spend eight minutes and twenty-five seconds in my orbit, it will change you and affect your perception of the universe for the rest of your life.  I can promise you that.-Brad

If you've seen combat service in the military, been a first responder, are vulnerable or experienced abuse in your home or community, experienced sexual abuse, abusive relationships, are food insecure, lost your job, or are being beaten by someone at home or when you were a kid, or if you've ever been shot at . . . there's a good chance you have it--even if you think you don't.If you do, there's a pretty good chance you don't even know you have it--and you might even be convinced you don't.  That's the way I was, and I was wrong.Record COVID casualties, quarantine, the Holiday Season, record unemployment, food insecurity, and for many, despair.  I invite you into my mind and want you to see that if any of this applies to you, you are not alone.And if you ever find yourself in that place, where everything just hurts, and you feel like you can only see as far as the room you're in, and it feels like the only thing that will bring peace and serenity is if you just went away, don't do it.  Think of your kids, or your family, or your friends, don't check out before you give them a chance to say goodbye.  Just call or message somebody.  Message me.  You are special and you are not alone.

More preview of Season 3, more loose ends tying up - talking about Chris Watts, the nitwit network, narcissism, ASPD, a discussion of troubling YT and TT personalities like Zoe Laverne and ACE Family, "Stan" behavior, recommended channels for some lulz.

#sociopath #psychotherapy #aspdIn today's episode Dr. Becky Spelman talks with Greg Kimble who has been diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) as well as Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). Antisocial Personality Disorder can be defined as a personality disorder characterised by persistent antisocial, irresponsible, or criminal behaviour, often impulsive or aggressive, with disregard for any harm or distress caused to other people, and an inability to maintain long-term social and personal relationships. Greg discusses his childhood experiences, feelings and behaviours that he can recall. Greg discusses his ASPD diagnosis openly and explains his compulsive behaviours and lack of regard for others. Greg also discusses his drug addiction and how that started, Greg says he struggled seeing risks or consequences for some of his behaviours. Greg also explains the reason why he went to prison and his experience during his time in prison. Greg explains prison as "a good experience" for him as this was where he was able to get clean from drugs and start therapy. Greg discusses his relationship now with his girlfriend Megan, they also film YouTube videos together and discuss their relationship and Greg's diagnosis. Megan's YouTube Channel (Greg's Girlfriend): https://www.youtube.com/meganeffGreg & Megan's Q&A Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dy0P...Dr. Becky Spelman is a top Psychologist in London, Becky is the Clinic Director for Private Therapy Clinic which has clinic's based all around central London including; Harley Street, Wigmore Street, Bank, Earls Court & Canary Wharf. Becky uses Psychodynamic Therapy, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT), Eye Movement Desensitisation Reprocessing, Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT) and Mindfulness to treat a range of difficulties with a particular interest in Borderline Personality Disorder and the difficulties that go with this condition such as relationship difficulties, anxiety, depression, low-self esteem, social anxiety, fear of public speaking, fear of intimacy, interpersonal difficulties, anger, body image issues, eating disorders and addictions.

In this episode we're continuing the "go round" and discussion of Antisocial Personality Disorder as well as Conduct Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder in children.  This episode will give a preview of the frauditor material coming in Season 3 (the material that was pushed off).

In this episode I give a brief description of sociopathy and Psycopathy.

Join Rob and Tina Marie of The Psyche-Delic Podcast as they discuss Antisocial Personality Disorder. People with ASPD can't understand others' feelings. They'll often break the law or make impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm they cause. The terms sociopath and psychopath are becoming obsolete as ASPD has quickly become the latest household terminology in the world of Psychology. What does the DSM-5 have to say about ASPD and how does this disorder compare to Narcissistic Personality Disorder? If you can develop it genetically and environmentally, then who is really to blame for the cause of this ugly affliction? This subject can become very complicated and may leave you with even more questions than you came with. For livestreams: https://youtube.com/c/thepsychedelicpodcast Patreon: https://patreon.com/psychedelicpodcast/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/thepsychedelicpodcast/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/psyche.delicpodcast/ Our Sponsor: www.artiehoffman.com Free Audible Book: https://audibletrial.com/psychedelic/ Our Publicist: www.s-j-network.com Song: "NAPALM" (Instrumental Version) Song: "Finding a Dream" Support The Psyche-Delic Podcast by contributing to their Tip Jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/the-psyche-delic-podcast Find out more at http://www.thepsyche-delicpodcast.com

Gangguan kepribadian Anti-Sosial adalah Gangguan kepribadian yang di tandai dengan sikap seseorang yang menyimpang dari norma, tidak mempedulikan oranglain, minim akan kesadaran moral maupun hati nurani, biasanya melakukan perbuatan yang membahayakan diri sendiri maupun oranglain, impulsif, agresif dan mengarah pada kriminalitas. Anti-Sosial berbeda dengan orang yang tertutup atau "introvert" Introvert merujuk kepada cara seseorang menerima energi, mereka lebih menyukai kesendirian dan juga kontemplasi diri, sedangkan anti-sosial memiliki beberapa ciri spesifik dan berpotensi melakukan berbagai tindakan buruk. Penyebab dari gangguan ini sangat kompleks, beberapa di antaranya terkait dengan genetik (riwayat keluarga dengan gangguan jiwa), Fisiologis (Neurotransmitter testosteron yang tinggi menyebabkan seseorang menjadi agresif, apalagi di barengi dengan kadar serotonin yang rendah), ada juga faktor lain seperti lingkungan yang akrab dengan kekerasan, menjadi korban penganiayaan, di terlantarkan atau di eksploitasi. Mau tahu lebih jauh mengenai ASPD? Yuk Dengarkan selengkapnya di podcast psikologid! Saran, Kritik dan Request tema bisa kamu kirimkan ke DM @psikologid --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/psikologid/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/psikologid/support

This episode answers questions about the relationship between co-occurring disorders, antisocial personality, and criminal offending. With antisocial personality disorder we see seven symptoms in the symptom criteria: repeatedly violating society's norms so, engaging a behavior that could be grounds for arrest, deceitfulness, impulsivity, irritability and aggression, a disregard for the safety of self and others, being irresponsible, and a lack of remorse. The prevalence of Antisocial Personality Disorder is about 3% of males and 1% of females. About 70% - 80% of males in prison may have Antisocial Personality Disorder. Sociopathy and psychopathy are sets of characteristics that represent distinct patterns of behavior and etiology, but are still under the Antisocial Personality Disorder classification. Generally, a person suffering from sociopathy is thought to have developed the disorder as a result of a stressor, such as trauma. Genetics are thought to be responsible for psychopathy. Both are associated with criminal activity, however, sociopathy is associated with impulsive criminal acts whereas psychopathy is associated with planned crimes. Meaningful relationships are difficult to form with psychopathy, but slightly easier to form with sociopathy. Sociopathy is associated with mood dysphoria and dysregulation, whereas psychopathy is associated with remaining more emotionally stable. Psychopathy is associated with being cold and calculating, and considering the consequences of behavior more carefully than in sociopathy. Also, in ASPD generally we see a decreased ability to experience what are referred to as “complex emotions,” specifically guilt, trust, respect, and closeness. Individuals with antisocial personality disorder have a greater risk of experiencing difficulty recalling emotional information and they tend to have a fairly good memory when it comes to negative affect, but a poor memory for positive emotions.A co-occurring disorder is when there's a presentation that has both, a substance use disorder and a mental disorder. We know that the prevalence of co-occurring disorders in prison populations and forensic populations is somewhere between 70 and 80%. We also know there's an association between co-occurring disorders and violence increased likelihood of being incarcerated and increased criminal recidivism. Notably, the association between mental disorders in general and violence is actually fairly low. The prevalence of violent behavior in individuals without any mental disorder is just over 2%. With substance use disorders alone it's just under 20%, and with co-occurring disorders it's around 22%.00:30 - What is Co-occurring Disorders and Criminality07: 15 - What is ASPD15:55 - What are the emotional and cognitive characteristics of ASPD More Content on Narcissism, Psychopathy, Sociopathy and Antisocial Personality DisorderFor even more, scientifically informed content on psychology and personality check out Dr. Grande's YouTube channelArs Longa MediaTo learn more about or to support Ars Longa Media and this podcast, go to arslonga.media. We welcome your feedback at info@arslonga.media CitationsOgloff, J. R. P., Talevski, D., Lemphers, A., Wood, M., & Simmons, M. (2015). Co-occurring mental illness, substance use disorders, and antisocial personality disorder among clients of forensic mental health services. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Journal, 38(1), 16–23. 

Going into the traits of a sociopath and how they relate to Arya specifically. Emily also talks about how she first knew she was dealing with someone with ASPD. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/sociopath-empath/support

This week on Two Shrinks Pod we're looking at the darker side of human nature. Hunter & Amy chat about the diagnosis of Anti-Social Personality Disorder, psychopaths and sociopaths. Lump Hannibal Lector and The Grinch (pre-heart growth) into the same camp and get nerdy over theory. We lighten things up at the end with a chat about the (perfectly normal) brain reasons Amy sees faces in things and blame Hunter's snacking on social influence. Join us next time for a chat about ASPD treatment! Background reading:Personality Disorders in Modern Life, 2nd Edn. Millon & colleaguesASPD vs Psychopathy: Bartol & BartolPsychopathy & ASPD in an Australian sample, Ogloff et al - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15228932.2016.1177281Reoffending in Australian prison samples, the role of Psychopathy & APD - http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X16653193 Gender differences in ASPD - http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fa0031681Cases:The Grinch - https://www.psychologyinaction.org/psychology-in-action-1/2013/10/31/personality-disorders-in-the-media Gary Gilmore – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_GilmoreHarold Shipman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipmanhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7897767/Harold-Shipman-thought-he-was-boring-letters-show.htmlTWCASeeing Jesus in toast - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945214000288Channing tater - https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/potatoes-that-look-like-channing-tatum?utm_term=.hblmZYEev#.gpopYQezZ The Fitzroy Diaries – http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/features/the-fitzroy-diaries/Chocolate ripple biscuitsSocial snacking - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29154607

Do psychopaths know they are psychopaths?Shiloh Monroe, Diagnosed with Psychopathy at age 19 after ASPD diagnosis.Updated Jan 17https://www.quora.com/Do-psychopaths-know-they-are-psychopaths

Do psychopaths know they are psychopaths? Shiloh Monroe, Diagnosed with Psychopathy at age 19 after ASPD diagnosis. Updated Jan 17 ...

Welcome to Episode 154!  In this episode Dr. Mike (Kuna, MD) interviews Dr. Emma Cabusao and Nancy Lawler LCPC on the topic of Antisocial Personality Disorder or ASPD.  We often think of individuals with ASPD exclusively as criminals but we may encounter them in everyday life.  Can they be treated?  Find out more by listening. www.GenesisClinicalServices.com   www.Kunaland.com

We interview aerobatic pilot and Red Bull Air Racer Mike Goulian. Some housekeeping as well, and a special offer from Gleim.  Be sure to get your Airspeed listener discount of 25% off the price of any Gleim Pilot Kit by using the promotional code "ASPD" for a limited time only.  www.gleim.com or (800) 874-5346.

Welcome to Episode 31! Learn this week's Psychiatric Secret Word from Dr. Julie (Nelson-Kuna, PhD).  Dr. Mike (Kuna, MD) will keep you informed in the Psychiatry In The News segment.  Our guest, Dr. Kathy (Noll, PhD) talks about ASPD or Antisocial Personality Disorder. www.GenesisClinicalServices.com  www.KunaLand.com drmike@kunaland.com

Personality disorders, and particularly antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), frequently co-occur with alcohol dependence. ASPD is considered to be an important cofactor in the pathogenesis and clinical course of alcohol dependence. The chronological relationship between the onset of symptoms of ASPD and alcohol-dependence characteristics has not yet been studied in great detail and the role of ASID in classification schemes of alcohol dependence as suggested by Cloninger and Schuckit has yet to be determined. We studied 55 alcohol-dependent patients to assess the prevalence and age at manifestation of ASPD, conduct disorder characteristics as well as alcohol dependence by employing the Semi-Structured Assessment for the Genetics of Alcoholism and the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IIIR. Results indicate that the onset of ASPD characteristics precede that of alcohol dependence by some 4 years. This finding suggests that in patients with ASPD, alcohol dependence might be a secondary syndrome as suggested by previous research. Copyright (C) 2002 S. Karger AG, Basel.