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In this episode of Looking Outside we're going back to the past and into the future - exploring the biggest transformative breakthroughs in science and technology that have and are transforming civilizations and societal values. Historian and futurist Jamie Metzl joins us to step into the world of science innovation, and equally to take a step back to see the bigger picture of human evolution. A leading voice in science and medicine, Jamie shares how our biological limitations are also our greatest strength – we continue to enhance ourselves, and our way of life, through technology, in order to to adapt to future environments. Emerging breakthroughs however, Jamie says, should not be viewed in isolation but in the context of converging factors, considering their negative consequences and their unforeseen upsides, based on the bigger ecosystem of interconnected industries. We no longer live in a ‘natural world' and there is no going back to the ‘way things were', so we must accept that change is a part of our human future.----------More:Looking Outside podcast www.looking-outside.comConnect with host, Jo Lepore on LinkedIn & XJamie Metzl jamiemetzl.comFollow Jamie on YouTube & X & LinkedInGrab a copy of Jamie's book SuperconvergenceCheck out his other books on Amazon----------⭐ Follow & rate the show - it makes a difference!----------Looking Outside is a podcast exploring fresh perspectives of familiar topics. Hosted by its creator, futurist and marketer, Jo Lepore. New episodes every 2 weeks. Never the same topic.All views are that of the host and guests and don't necessarily reflect those of their employers. Copyright 2025. Theme songs by Azteca X.

Before getting into this new podcast, have you checked out the recent newsletter editions of Ground Truths?—how are gut microbiome drives sugar cravings—the influence of sleep on brain waste clearance and aging—the new findings of microplastics in the brain—the surprise finding about doctors and A.I.In this podcast with Dr. Emily Silverman, an internist and founder of The Nocturnists, an award winning podcast and live show, we discuss what inspired her in medicine, what led to her disillusionment, the essentiality of storytelling, of recognizing uncertainty, the limits of A.I., and promoting humanity in medicine. The audio is available on iTunes and Spotify. The full video is linked here, at the top, and also can be found on YouTube.“Storytelling is medicine's currency. Storytelling is not just an act of self-healing; it may actually create better physicians.”—Emily SilvermanTranscript with links to audio and relevant publications, websitesEric Topol (00:07):Well, hello. This is Eric Topol with Ground Truths, and with me, I am delighted to welcome Dr. Emily Silverman, who is Assistant Volunteer Professor of Medicine at UCSF, an old training grounds for me. And we're going to talk about some of the experience she's had there and she is the Founder of the remarkably recognized podcast, The Nocturnists. It's more than a podcast folks. We'll talk about that too. So Emily, welcome.Emily Silverman (00:40):Thank you for having me.Inspiration by Kate McKinnonEric Topol (00:42):Yeah. Well, I thought I would go back to perhaps when we first synapsed, and it goes back to a piece you wrote in JAMA about going to the Saturday Night Live (SNL) with Kate McKinnon. And it was one of my favorite columns, of course, it brought us together kind of simpatico because you were telling a story that was very personal, and a surprise factor added to it. We'll link to it. But it said, ‘Sometime in 2016, I fell in love with SNL comedian Kate McKinnon.' You wrote, ‘It was something about her slow-mo swagger; her unilateral dimple, flickering in and out of existence; the way she drinks up her characters and sweats them from her pores.' I mean, you're an incredible writer, no less podcast interviewer, organizer, doctor. And you talked about my sterile clinical life, which was kind of maybe a warning of things to come and about the fact that there's two very different career paths, comedy and medicine. One could argue they are in essence the same. So maybe you could tell us about that experience and about Kate McKinnon who, I mean, she's amazing.Emily Silverman (02:09):You're making me blush. Thank you for the kind words about the piece and about the writing, and I'm happy to give you a bit of background on that piece and where it came from. So I was in my internal medicine residency at UCSF and about halfway through residency really found myself hitting a wall. And that is actually what gave birth to The Nocturnists, which is the medical storytelling program that I run. But I think another symptom of my hitting that wall, so to speak, and we can talk more about what exactly that is and what that means, was me really looking outside of medicine and also outside of my typical day-to-day routine to try to find things that were a part of me that I had lost or I had lost touch with those aspects of myself. And one aspect of myself that I felt like I had lost touch to was my humorous side, my sense of humor, my silly side even you could say.Emily Silverman (03:17):And throughout my life I have this pattern where when I'm trying to get back in touch with a side of myself, I usually find somebody who represents that and sort of study it, I guess you could say. So in this case, for whatever reason that landed on Kate McKinnon, I just loved the surrealism of her comedy. I loved how absurd she is and loved her personality and so many things. Everything that you just read and really found her and her comedy as an escape, as a way to escape the seriousness of what I was doing on a day-to-day basis in the hospital and reconnect with those humorous sides of myself. So that's the understory. And then the story of the article is, I happened to be traveling to New York for a different reason and found myself standing in line outside of 30 Rock, hoping to get into Saturday Night Live. And there was basically a zero chance that we were going to get in. And part of the reason why is the musical guest that week was a K-pop band called BTS, which is one of the most famous bands in the world. And there were BTS fans like camped out in three circles around 30 Rock. So that week in particular, it was especially difficult to get in. There was just too many people in line. And we were at the very end of the line.Eric Topol (04:43):And it was in the pouring rain, too.Emily Silverman (04:45):And it was pouring rain. And my husband, God bless him, was there with me and he was like, what are we doing? And I was like, I don't know. I just have a feeling that we should stay in line, just go with it. So we did stay in line and then in the morning we got a number, and the way it works is you get your number and then that evening you show up with your number and our number was some crazy number that we weren't going to get in. But then that evening when we went back with our number to wait in line again to get in, what ended up happening is a young woman in the NBC gift shop, she passed out in the middle of the gift shop and I was right there. And so, I went over to her and was asking her questions and trying to help her out.Emily Silverman (05:27):And fortunately, she was fine. I think she just was dehydrated or something, and the security guards were so appreciative. And the next thing I knew, they were sweeping me backstage and up a staircase and in an elevator and they said, thank you so much for your service, welcome to Saturday Night Live. So it became this interesting moment where the very thing that I had been escaping from like medicine and serving and helping people ended up being the thing that gave me access, back to that side of myself, the humorous side. So it was just felt kind of cosmic, one of those moments, like those butterfly wing flapping moments that I decided to write about it and JAMA was kindly willing to publish it.Eric Topol (06:15):Well, it drew me to you and recognize you as quite an extraordinary talent. I don't know if you get recognized enough for the writing because it's quite extraordinary, as we'll talk about in some of your other pieces in the New York Times and in other JAMA journals and on and on. But one thing I just would note is that I resort to comedy a lot to deal with hard times, like the dark times we're in right now, so instead of watching the news, I watch Jimmy Kimmel's monologue or Colbert's monologue or the Comedy Show, anything to relieve some of the darkness that we're dealing with right at the moment. And we're going to get back to comedy because now I want to go back, that was in 2019 when you wrote that, but it was in 2016 when you formed The Nocturnists. Now, before you get to that critical path in your career of this new podcast and how it blossomed, how it grew is just beyond belief. But maybe you could tell us about your residency, what was going on while you were a medical resident at UCSF, because I can identify with that. Well, like any medical residency, it's pretty grueling experience and what that was like for you.Medical ResidencyEmily Silverman (07:45):There were so many wonderful positive aspects of residency and there were so many challenges and difficult aspects of residency. It's all mixed up into this sticky, complicated web of what residency was. On the positive side, some of the most amazing clinicians I've ever met are at UCSF and whether that was seasoned attendings or chief residents who they just seemed to have so many skills, the clinical, the research, the teaching, just amazing, amazing high caliber people to learn from. And of course, the patient population. And at UCSF, we rotate at three different hospitals, the UCSF hospital, the SF General Hospital, which is the public county hospital and the VA hospital. So having the opportunity to see these different patient populations was just such a rich clinical and storytelling opportunity. So there was a lot there that was good, but I really struggled with a few things.Emily Silverman (08:48):So one was the fact that I spent so much of my sitting in front of a computer, and that was not something that I expected when I went into medicine when I was young. And I started to learn more about that and how that happened and when that changed. And then it wasn't just the computer, it was the computer and other types of paperwork or bureaucratic hurdles or administrative creep and just all the different ways that the day-to-day work of physicians was being overtaken by nonclinical work. And that doesn't just mean thinking about our patients, but that also means going to the bedside, sitting with our patients, getting to know them, getting to know their families. And so, I started to think a lot about clinical medicine and what it really means to practice and how that's different from how it was 10, 20, 40 years ago.Emily Silverman (09:43):And then the other part of it that I was really struggling with was aspects of medical culture. The fact that we were working 80 hour weeks, I was working 28 hour shifts every fourth night, every other month. And the toll that took on my body, and I developed some health issues as a result of that and just felt in a way, here I am a doctor in the business of protecting and preserving health and my own health is kind of being run into the ground. And that didn't make sense to me. And so, I started asking questions about that. So there was a lot there. And at first I thought, maybe this is a me thing or maybe this is a California thing. And eventually I realized this was a national thing and I started to notice headlines, op-eds, articles, even pre-Covid about the epidemic of clinician burnout in this country.Emily Silverman (10:40):And there are so many different facets to that. There's the moral injury aspect of it, there's the working conditions and understaffing aspect of it. I learned about how physicians were starting to think about unionizing, which was something that had not really been in the physician, I think consciousness 20, 40 years ago. So just started learning a lot about how medicine had evolved and was continuing to evolve and felt myself wanting to create a space where people could come together and tell stories about what that was like and what their experience was. And that was the birth of The Nocturnists. But I guess that wasn't really your question. Your question was about residency.Birth of The NocturnistsEric Topol (11:20):That's a good answer actually. It kind of gives the background, lays the foundation of how you took a fork in the road here, which we're going to get into now. We're going to link to The Nocturnists website of course, but you have an intro there about, ‘shatter the myth of the “physician God” reveal the truth: that healthcare workers are human, just like everyone else, and that our humanity is our strength, not our weakness.' And that's a very deep and important point that you make to get people interested in The Nocturnists. But now you finished your residency, you're now on the faculty, assistant professor at UCSF, and then you have this gathering that you hadn't already named it the Nocturnists yet had you?Emily Silverman (12:15):I named it in residency.Eric Topol (12:17):Oh, okay in residency. So this was even before you had finished, you started the podcast before you finished?Emily Silverman (12:25):Correct. Before we were a podcast, we were a live show. So the very first live show was in 2016, so I consider that the birth year of the program. And then I graduated residency in 2017, so I started it about halfway through residency.Eric Topol (12:39):Got it. So tell us about that first live show. I mean, that's pretty amazing. Yeah.Emily Silverman (12:46):Yeah. I went to a live taping of The Moth in San Francisco, which some of your listeners may know. The Moth is a live storytelling show in the US, it's often on the radio on NPR. You may have heard it. It's a very ancient way of telling stories. It's more like monologues, people standing up on stage and just spontaneously telling a story the way you would around a campfire or something like that. It's not hyper scripted or anything like that. So I came out of that event feeling really inspired, and I had always loved live performance and live theater. I grew up going to the theater and ended up deciding that I would try that with my community, with the clinicians in my community. So the very first show that we did was in 2016, it was about 40 people in this living room of this Victorian mansion in San Francisco.Emily Silverman (13:42):It was a co-op where different people lived. In the living space, they occasionally rented out for meetings and presentations and gatherings, and it was like $90. So I rented that out and people came and residents, physician residents told stories, but a couple of faculty came and told stories as well. And I think that was a really nice way to set the stage that this wasn't just a med student thing or a resident thing, this was for everybody. And there was definitely an electricity in the air at the show. I think a lot of people were experiencing the same thing I was experiencing, which was having questions about the medical system, having questions about medical culture, trying to figure out how they fit into all of that, and in my case, missing my creative side, missing my humorous side. And so, I think that's the reason people came and showed up was that it wasn't just a night out of entertainment and coming was really more out of a hunger to reconnect with some aspect of ourselves that maybe gets lost as we go through our training. So that was the first show, and people kept asking, when are you going to do another one? When are you going to do another one? The rest is history. We have done many shows since then. So that was the beginning.Eric Topol (14:58):Well, you've been to many cities for live shows, you sold out hundreds and hundreds of seats, and it's a big thing now. I mean, it's been widely recognized by all sorts of awards, and the podcast and the shows. It's quite incredible. So a derivative of The Moth to medicine, is it always medical people telling stories? Does it also include patients and non-medical people?Emily Silverman (15:28):So we're nine years in, and for the first several years, this question came up a lot. What about the patient voice? What about the patient perspective? And the way that I would respond to that question was two ways. First, I would say the line between doctor and patient isn't as bright as you would think. Doctors are also patients. We also have bodies. We also have our own medical and psychiatric conditions and our own doctors and providers who take care of us. So we're all human, we're all patients. That said, I recognize that the doctor, the clinician has its own unique place in society and its own unique perspective. And that's really what I was trying to focus on. I think when you're making art or when you're making a community, people ask a lot about audience. And for me, for those first several years, I was thinking of The Nocturnists as a love letter by healthcare to healthcare. It was something that I was making for and with my community. And in recent months and years, I have been wondering about, okay, what would a new project look like that pulls in the patient voice a bit more? Because we did the clinician thing for several years, and I think there's been a lot of wonderful stories and material that's come out of that. But I'm always itching for the next thing. And it was actually an interview on the podcast I just did with this wonderful person, Susannah Fox.Eric Topol (17:04):Oh yeah, I know Susannah. Sure.Emily Silverman (17:04):Yeah. She was the chief technology officer at the Department of Health and Human Services from 2015 to 2017, I want to say. And she wrote a book called Rebel Health, which is all about patients who weren't getting what they needed from doctors and researchers and scientists. And so, they ended up building things on their own, whether it was building medical devices on their own, on the fringes or building disease registries and communities, online disease communities on their own. And it was a fabulous book and it was a fabulous interview. And ever since then I've been thinking about what might a project look like through The Nocturnists storytelling ethos that centers and focuses on the patient voice, but that's a new thought. For the first several years, it was much more focused on frontline clinicians as our audience.Why is Storytelling in Medicine so Important?Eric Topol (17:55):And then I mean the storytelling people that come to the shows or listen to the podcast, many of them are not physicians, they're patients, all sorts of people that are not part of the initial focus of who's telling stories. Now, I want to get into storytelling. This is, as you point out in another JAMA piece that kind of was introducing The Nocturnists to the medical community. We'll link to that, but a few classic lines, ‘Storytelling is medicine's currency. Storytelling is not just an act of self-healing; it may actually create better physicians.' And then also toward the end of the piece, “Some people also believe that it is unprofessional for physicians to be emotionally vulnerable in front of colleagues. The greater risk, however, is for the healthcare professional to appear superhuman by pretending to not feel grief, suffer from moral distress, laugh at work, or need rest.” And finally, ‘storytelling may actually help to humanize the physician.' So tell us about storytelling because obviously it's one of the most important, if not the most important form of communication between humans. You nailed it, how important it is in medicine, so how do you conceive it? What makes it storytelling for you?Emily Silverman (19:25):It's so surreal to hear you read those words because I haven't read them myself in several years, and I was like, oh, what piece is he talking about? But I remember now. Look, you on your program have had a lot of guests on to talk about the massive changes in medicine that have occurred, including the consolidation of it, the corporatization of it, the ways in which the individual community practice is becoming more and more endangered. And instead what's happening is practices are getting gobbled up and consolidated into these mega corporations and so on and so forth. And I just had on the podcast, the writer Dhruv Khullar, who wrote a piece in the New Yorker recently called the Gilded Age of Medicine is here. And he talks a lot about this and about how there are some benefits to this. For example, if you group practices together, you can have economies of scale and efficiencies that you can't when you have all these scattered individual self-owned practices.Emily Silverman (20:26):But I do think there are risks associated with the corporatization of healthcare. The more that healthcare starts to feel like a conveyor belt or a factory or fast food like the McDonald's of healthcare, MinuteClinic, 15 minutes in and out, the more that we risk losing the heart and soul of medicine and what it is; which is it's not as simple as bringing in your car and getting an oil change. I mean, sometimes it is. Sometimes you just need a strep swab and some antibiotics and call it a day. But I think medicine at its best is more grounded in relationships. And so, what is the modern era of medicine doing to those relationships? Those longitudinal relationships, those deeper relationships where you're not just intimately familiar with a patient's creatinine trend or their kidney biopsy results, but you know your patient and their family, and you know their life story a little bit.Emily Silverman (21:26):And you can understand how the context of their renal disease, for example, fits into the larger story of their life. I think that context is so important. And so, medicine in a way is, it is a science, but it's also an art. And in some ways it's actually kind of an applied science where you're taking science and applying it to the messy, chaotic truth of human beings and their families and their communities. So I think storytelling is a really important way to think of medicine. And then a step beyond that, not just with the doctor patient interaction, but just with the medical community and medical culture at large. I think helping to make the culture healthier and get people out of this clamped down place where they feel like they have to be a superhuman robot. Let's crack that open a little bit and remind ourselves that just like our patients are human beings, so are we. And so, if we can leverage that, and this is also part of the AI conversation that we're having is like, is AI ever going to fully substitute for a physician? Like, well, what does a physician have that AI doesn't? What does a human being have that a machine doesn't? And I think these are really deep questions. And so, I think storytelling is definitely related to that. And so, there's just a lot of rich conversation there in those spaces, and I think storytelling is a great way into those conversations.Eric Topol (22:57):Yeah. We'll talk about AI too, because that's a fascinating future challenge to this. But while you're talking about it, it reminds me that I'm in clinic every week. My fellow and I have really worked on him to talk to the patients about their social history. They seem to omit that and often times to crack the case of what's really going on and what gets the patient excited or what their concerns are really indexed to is learning about what do they do and what makes them tick and all that sort of thing. So it goes every which way in medicine. And the one that you've really brought out is the one where clinicians are telling their stories to others. Now you've had hundreds and hundreds of these physician related stories. What are some of the ones that you think are most memorable? Either for vulnerability or comedy or something that grabbed you because you've seen so many, and heard so many now.A Memorable StoryEmily Silverman (24:02):It's true. There have been hundreds of physician stories that have come through the podcast and some non-physician. I mean, we are, because I'm a doctor, I find that the work tends to be more focused around doctors. But we have brought in nurses and other types of clinicians to tell their stories as well, particularly around Covid. We had a lot of diversity of healthcare professionals who contributed their stories. One that stands out is dialogue that we featured in our live show. So most of our live shows up until that point had featured monologues. So people would stand on stage, tell their story one by one, but for this story, we had two people standing on stage and they alternated telling their story. There was a little bit more scripting and massaging involved. There was still some level of improvisation and spontaneity, but it added a really interesting texture to the story.Emily Silverman (24:58):And basically, it was a story of these two physicians who during Covid, one of them came out of retirement and the other one I think switched fields and was going to be doing different work during Covid as so many of us did. And they were called to New York as volunteers and ended up meeting in the JFK airport in 2020 and it was like an empty airport. And they meet there and they start talking and they realize that they have all these strange things in common, and they sit next to each other on the plane and they're kind of bonding and connecting about what they're about to do, which is go volunteer at the peak of Covid in New York City, and they end up staying in hotels in New York and doing the work. A lot of it really, really just harrowing work. And they stay connected and they bond and they call each other up in the evenings, how was your day? How was your day? And they stay friends. And so, instead of framing it in my mind as a Covid story, I frame it more as a friendship story. And that one just was really special, I think because of the seriousness of the themes, because of the heartwarming aspect of the friendship and then also because of the format, it was just really unusual to have a dialogue over a monologue. So that was one that stood out. And I believe the title of it is Serendipity in Shutdown. So you can check that out.Eric Topol (26:23):That's great. Love it. And I should point out that a lot of these clinical audio diaries are in the US Library of Congress, so it isn't like these are just out there, they're actually archived and it's pretty impressive. While I have you on some of these themes, I mean you're now getting into some bigger topics. You mentioned the pandemic. Another one is Black Voices in Healthcare, and you also got deep into Shame in Medicine. And now I see that you've got a new one coming on Uncertainty in Medicine. Can you give us the skinny on what the Uncertainty in Medicine's going to be all about?Uncertainty in MedicineEmily Silverman (27:14):Yes. So the American Board of Internal Medicine put out a call for grant proposals related to the topic of uncertainty in medicine. And the reason they did that is they identified uncertainty as an area of growth, an area where maybe we don't talk about it enough or we're not really sure how to tolerate it or handle it or teach about it or work with it, work through it in our practice. And they saw that as an area of need. So they put out this call for grants and we put together a grant proposal to do a podcast series on uncertainty in medicine. And we're fortunate enough to be one of the three awardees of that grant. And we've been working on that for the last year. And it's been really interesting, really interesting because the place my mind went first with uncertainty is diagnostic uncertainty.Emily Silverman (28:07):And so, we cover that. We cover diagnostic odyssey and how we cope with the fact that we don't know and things like that. But then there's also so many other domains where uncertainty comes up. There's uncertainties around treatment. What do we do when we don't know if the treatment's working or how to assess whether it's working or it's not working and we don't know why. Or managing complex scenarios where it's not clear the best way to proceed, and how do we hold that uncertainty? Prognostic uncertainty is another area. And then all of the uncertainty that pops up related to the systems issues in healthcare. So for example, we spoke to somebody who was diagnosed with colon cancer, metastatic to the liver, ended up having a bunch of radiation of the mets in the liver and then got all this liver scarring and then got liver failure and then needed a liver transplant and saw this decorated transplant surgeon who recommended the transplant was already to have that done.Emily Silverman (29:06):And then the insurance denied the liver transplant. And so, dealing with the uncertainty of, I know that I need this organ transplant, but the coverage isn't going to happen, and the spoiler alert is that he ended up appealing several times and moving forward and getting his transplant. So that one has a happy ending, but some people don't. And so, thinking about uncertainty coming up in those ways as well for patients. So for the last year we've been trying to gather these stories and organize them by theme and figure out what are the most salient points. The other exciting thing we've done with the uncertainty series is we've looked to people outside of medicine who navigate high uncertainty environments to see if they have any wisdom or advice to share with the medical community. So for example, we recently interviewed an admiral in the Navy. And this person who was an admiral in the Navy for many years and had to navigate wartime scenarios and also had to navigate humanitarian relief scenarios and how does he think about being in command and dealing with people and resources and it is life or death and holding uncertainty and managing it.Emily Silverman (30:18):And he had a lot of interesting things to say about that. Similarly, we spoke to an improvisational dancer who his whole job is to get on stage and he doesn't know what's going to happen. And to me, that sounds terrifying. So it's like how do you deal with that and who would choose that? And so, that's been really fun too, to again, go outside the walls of medicine and see what we can glean and learn from people operating in these different contexts and how we might be able to apply some of those.Eric Topol (30:51):Yeah, I mean this is such a big topic because had the medical community been better in communicating uncertainties in medicine, the public trust during the pandemic could have been much higher. And this has led to some of the real challenges that we're seeing there. So I'm looking forward to that series of new additions in The Nocturnists. Now, when you get this group together to have the live show, I take it that they're not rehearsed. You don't really know much about what they're going to do. I mean, it's kind of like the opposite, the un-TED show. TED Talk, whereby those people, they have to practice in Vancouver wherever for a whole week. It's ridiculous. But here, do you just kind of let them go and tell their story or what?Emily Silverman (31:44):In the beginning it was more open mic, it was more let them go. And then as the years went on, we moved more toward a TED model where we would pair storytellers with a story coach, and they would work together pretty intensively in the six to eight weeks leading up to the event to craft the story. That said, it was very important to us that people not recite an essay that they memorized word for word, which surprise, surprise physicians really love that idea. We're like, we're so good at memorization and we love certainty. We love knowing word for word what's going to come. And so, it's really more of this hybrid approach where we would help people get in touch with, all right, what are the five main beats of your story? Where are we opening? Where are we closing? How do we get there?Emily Silverman (32:34):And so, we'd have a loose outline so that people knew roughly what was going to, but then it wasn't until the night of that we'd fill in the blanks and just kind of see what happens. And that was really exciting because a lot of unexpected things happened. Certain stories that we thought would be really comedic ended up landing with a much more serious and thoughtful tone and vice versa. Some of the stories that we thought were really heavy would unexpectedly get laughs in places that we didn't expect. So I think the magic of live audience is, I guess you could say uncertainty of not quite knowing what's going to happen, and sort of a one time night.Eric Topol (33:17):I'd like to have a storytelling coach. That'd be cool. I mean, we could always be better. I mean, it takes me back to the first story you told with the Saturday Night Live and Kate McKinnon, you told the story, it was so great. But to make telling your story, so it's even more interesting, captivating and expressing more emotion and vulnerability and what makes the human side. I mean, that's what I think we all could do, you never could do it perfectly. I mean, that's kind of interesting how you organize that. Alright, well now I want to go back to your career for a moment because you got into The Nocturnists and these shows and you were gradually, I guess here we are in the middle and still a global burnout, depression, suicide among clinicians, especially physicians, but across the board. And you're weaning your time as a faculty member at UCSF. So what was going through your mind in your life at that time? I guess that takes us to now, too.A Career MoveEmily Silverman (34:36):Yeah, when I was a little kid, I always wanted to doctor and fully intended when I went to med school and residency to find my way as a physician and didn't really think I would be doing much else. I mean, I'd always love reading and writing and the arts, but I never quite thought that that would become as big of a piece of my career as it has become. But what ended up happening is I finished residency. I took a job in the division of hospital medicine at SF General and worked as a hospitalist for about four years and was doing that and balancing with my medical storytelling nonprofit and eventually realized that it wasn't quite working, it wasn't the right fit. And ended up taking a step back and taking a little break from medicine for a while to try to figure out how am I going to balance this?Emily Silverman (35:26):Am I going to shift and go full medicine and retire The Nocturnists? Am I going to go full art, creative journalism, writing and leave clinical medicine behind? Or am I going to continue to proceed in this more hybrid way where I do a little bit of practicing, and I do a little bit of creative on the side? And thus far, I have continued to pursue that middle road. So I ended up starting a new outpatient job, a part-time job that's actually outside of UCSF. I'm still on faculty at UCSF, but my practice now is in private practice. And so, I do that two days a week and it feeds me in a lot of ways and I'm really glad that I've continued to keep that part of myself alive. And then the rest of the days of the week I work from home and some of that is charting and doing clinical work and some of that time is podcasting and working on these other creative projects. So that's where I've landed right now. And I don't know what it will look like in 5, 10, 20 years, but for now it seems to be working.Taking On EpicEric Topol (36:31):Yeah. Well, I think it's great that you've found the right kind of balance and also the channel for getting your exceptional talent, your niche if you will, in medicine to get it out there because people I think are really deriving a lot of benefit from that. Now, another piece you wrote in the New York Times, I just want to touch on because it is tied to the burnout story. This was a great op-ed, Our Hospital's New Software Frets About My ‘Deficiencies' and I want to just warn the listeners or readers or watchers that Epic, this company that you wrote about has non-disparaging agreements with hospitals, censors hospitals and doctors to say anything bad about Epic. So when anybody ever writes something, particularly if it's published in a widely read place, the Epic company doesn't like that and they squash it and whatnot. So what was in your mind when you were writing this op-ed about Epic?Emily Silverman (37:39):So this came out of personal experience that I had where, and maybe this is some of the reason why the hospital medicine work wore me down so much is the frequent messages and alerts and popups just having a lot of fatigue with that. But also what the popups were saying, the language that they used. So you'd open up your electronic chart and a message would pop up and it would say, you are deficient, or it would say you are a delinquent. And it was this scary red box with an upside down exclamation point or something. And it really started to get to me, and this was definitely in that phase of my life and career where I was peak burnout and just kind of raging into the machine a little bit, you could say, I think right now I'm somewhat past that. I think part of the reason why is, I've been able to get myself out into a more sustainable situation, but ended up, it actually came out of me, this piece poured out of me one night.Emily Silverman (38:37):It was like two, three in the morning and my laptop was open and I was laying in bed and my husband was like, go to sleep, go to sleep. And I said, no, this wants to come out, these moments where things just, you just want to give birth, I guess, to something that wants to come out. So I wrote this long piece about Epic and how tone deaf these messages are and how clinicians are, they're working really hard in a really difficult system and just the lack of sensitivity of that language and ended up pitching that to the New York Times. And I think there was something in there that they appreciated about that. There was some humor in there actually. Maybe my Kate McKinnon side came out a little bit. So yes, that piece came out and I think I did get a message or two from a couple folks who worked at Epic who weren't thrilled.Eric Topol (39:33):They didn't threaten to sue you or anything though, right?Emily Silverman (39:35):They didn't. NoEric Topol (39:37):Good.Emily Silverman (39:37):Fortunately, yeah.Medicine and A.I.Eric Topol (39:38):Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was great. And we'll link to that, too. Now, as they say in comedy, we're going to have a callback. We're going to go to AI, which we talked about and touched on. And of course, one of the things AI is thought that it could help reduce the burden of data clerk work that you've talked about and certainly affected you and affects every person in working in medicine. But I wanted to get to this. For me, it was like a ChatGPT moment of November 2022. Recently, I don't know if you've ever delved into NotebookLM.Emily Silverman (40:18):I have.Eric Topol (40:19):Okay, so you'll recognize this. You put in a PDF and then you hit audio and it generates a podcast of two agents, a man and a woman who are lively, who accurately take, it could be the most complex science, it could be a book, and you can put 50 of these things in and they have a really engaging conversation that even gets away from some of the direct subject matter and it's humanoid. What do you think about that?Emily Silverman (40:57):Well, a lot of what I know about AI, I learned from your book, Eric. And from the subsequent conversation that we had when you came on my podcast to talk about your book. So I'm not sure what I could teach you about this topic that you don't already know, but I think it's a deeply existential question about what it means to be human and how machine intelligence augments that, replaces that, threatens that. I don't really know how to put it. I had Jamie Metzl on the podcast. He's this great historian and science policy expert, and he was saying, I don't like the phrase artificial intelligence because I don't think that's what we're making. I think we're making machine intelligence and that's different from human intelligence. And one of the differences is human beings have physical bodies. So being a human is an embodied experience.Emily Silverman (41:57):A machine can't enjoy, I was going to say a cheeseburger and I was like, wait, I'm talking to a cardiologist. So a machine intelligence being can't enjoy a cucumber salad, a machine intelligence can't feel the endorphins of exercise or have sex or just have all of these other experiences that human beings have because they have bodies. Now, does empathy and emotion and human connection and relationships also fall into that category? I don't know. What is the substrate of empathy? What is the substrate of human connection and relationships and experience? Can it be reduced to zeros and ones or whatever, quantum computing, half zeros and half ones existing simultaneously on a vibrating plane, or is there something uniquely human about that? And I actually don't know the answer or where the edges are. And I think in 5, 10, 20 years, we'll know a lot more about what that is and what that means.Emily Silverman (42:55):What does that mean for medicine? I don't know about the human piece of it, but I think just practically speaking, I believe it will transform the way that we do medicine on so many levels. And this is what your book is about. Some of it is image analysis and EKG analysis, X-ray analysis and MRI analysis. And some of it is cognition, like diagnostic reasoning, clinical reasoning, things like that. I already use OpenEvidence all the time. I don't know if you use it. It's this basically a search engine kind of GPT like search engine that's trained on high quality medical evidence. I'm always going to OpenEvidence with questions. And I actually saw a headline recently, oh gosh, I'll have to fish it out and email it to you and you can link it in the show notes. But it's a little bit about how medical education and also medical certification and testing is going to have to quickly bring itself up to speed on this.Emily Silverman (43:56):The USMLE Step 1 exam, which all physicians in the US have to pass in order to practice medicine. When I took it anyway, which was back in I think 2012, 2013, was very recall based. It was very much based on memorization and regurgitation. Not all, some of it was inference and analysis and problem solving, but a lot of it was memorization. And as you said, I think Eric on our interview on my podcast, that the era of the brainiac memorizing Doogie Howser physician is over. It's not about that anymore. We can outsource that to machines. That's actually one of the things that we can outsource. So I'm excited to see how it evolves. I hope that medical schools and hospitals and institutions find ways safely, of course, to embrace and use this technology because I think it can do a lot of good, which is also what your book is about, the optimistic lens of your book.Eric Topol (44:55):Well, what I like though is that what you're trying to do in your work that you're passionate about is bringing back and amplifying humanity. Enriching the humanity in medicine. Whether that's physicians understanding themselves better and realizing that they are not just to be expected to be superhuman or non-human or whatever, to how we communicate, how we feel, experience the care of patients, the privilege of care of patients. So that's what I love about your efforts to do that. And I also think that people keep talking about artificial general intelligence (AGI), but that's not what we are talking about here today. We're talking about human emotions. Machines don't cry, they don't laugh. They don't really bond with humans, although they try to. I don't know that you could ever, so this fixation on AGI is different than what we're talking about in medicine. And I know you're destined to be a leader in that you already are. But I hope you'll write a book about medical storytelling and the humanity and medicine, because a natural for this and you're writing it is just great. Have you thought about doing that?Emily Silverman (46:24):It's very kind of you to say. I have thought about if I were to embark on a book project, what would that look like? And I have a few different ideas and I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Maybe I'll consult with you offline about that.Eric Topol (46:42):Alright, well I'd like to encourage you because having read your pieces that some of them cited here you have it. You really are a communicator extraordinaire. So anyway, Emily, thank you for joining today. I really enjoyed our conversation and your mission not just to be a physician, which is obviously important, but also to try to enhance the humanity in medicine, in the medical community particularly. So thank you.Emily Silverman (47:14):Thank you. Thank you for having me.***************************************Thanks for listening, watching or reading Ground Truths. Your subscription is greatly appreciated.If you found this podcast interesting please share it!That makes the work involved in putting these together especially worthwhile.All content on Ground Truths—newsletters, analyses, and podcasts—is free, open-access.Paid subscriptions are voluntary and all proceeds from them go to support Scripps Research. They do allow for posting comments and questions, which I do my best to respond to. Many thanks to those who have contributed—they have greatly helped fund our summer internship programs for the past two years. 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The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, received a significant boost from President Trump this week. On his second day, Trump praised OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank for their collaboration and plan to invest $500 billion in America's artificial intelligence infrastructure over the next few years. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joined host Chris Foster to break down what this substantial investment in AI means for Americans and our country's dominance in the field. Metzl also discussed AI's growing potential in the health industry and the military while raising concerns that regulations or guardrails for the technology may not be sufficient. We often have to cut interviews short during the week, but we thought you might like to hear the full interview. Today on Fox News Rundown Extra, we will share our entire interview with AI expert Jamie Metzl. This will allow you to hear more about his perspective on where AI is headed and how it will inevitably impact our lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, received a significant boost from President Trump this week. On his second day, Trump praised OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank for their collaboration and plan to invest $500 billion in America's artificial intelligence infrastructure over the next few years. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joined host Chris Foster to break down what this substantial investment in AI means for Americans and our country's dominance in the field. Metzl also discussed AI's growing potential in the health industry and the military while raising concerns that regulations or guardrails for the technology may not be sufficient. We often have to cut interviews short during the week, but we thought you might like to hear the full interview. Today on Fox News Rundown Extra, we will share our entire interview with AI expert Jamie Metzl. This will allow you to hear more about his perspective on where AI is headed and how it will inevitably impact our lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, received a significant boost from President Trump this week. On his second day, Trump praised OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank for their collaboration and plan to invest $500 billion in America's artificial intelligence infrastructure over the next few years. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joined host Chris Foster to break down what this substantial investment in AI means for Americans and our country's dominance in the field. Metzl also discussed AI's growing potential in the health industry and the military while raising concerns that regulations or guardrails for the technology may not be sufficient. We often have to cut interviews short during the week, but we thought you might like to hear the full interview. Today on Fox News Rundown Extra, we will share our entire interview with AI expert Jamie Metzl. This will allow you to hear more about his perspective on where AI is headed and how it will inevitably impact our lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

President Trump's Border Czar Tom Homan has promised swift action on deporting violent criminal migrants. Many critics of the plan are saying that the logistics of carrying out the deportations will be costly and time-consuming, while backers of the plan say that the cost to keep illegal migrants here will outweigh deportations. The President has also ordered U.S. troops to the Southern Border to secure crossings and combat Mexican drug cartels. Florida Congressman Carlos Gimenez (R) joins the Rundown to discuss how Congress can work to help the Trump administration's deportation plan, why he believes the military must combat drug cartels, and how the deportation process will work. The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, was announced by the Trump administration on Tuesday night. OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank are collaborating to invest over $100 billion in artificial intelligence infrastructure in America in the years to come. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joins to break down what investment in AI means for Americans and why he is warning against too much deregulation when it comes to artificial intelligence. Plus, commentary by Brian Kilmeade, Host of One Nation with Brian Kilmeade and The Brian Kilmeade Show. Photo Credit: AP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

President Trump's Border Czar Tom Homan has promised swift action on deporting violent criminal migrants. Many critics of the plan are saying that the logistics of carrying out the deportations will be costly and time-consuming, while backers of the plan say that the cost to keep illegal migrants here will outweigh deportations. The President has also ordered U.S. troops to the Southern Border to secure crossings and combat Mexican drug cartels. Florida Congressman Carlos Gimenez (R) joins the Rundown to discuss how Congress can work to help the Trump administration's deportation plan, why he believes the military must combat drug cartels, and how the deportation process will work. The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, was announced by the Trump administration on Tuesday night. OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank are collaborating to invest over $100 billion in artificial intelligence infrastructure in America in the years to come. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joins to break down what investment in AI means for Americans and why he is warning against too much deregulation when it comes to artificial intelligence. Plus, commentary by Brian Kilmeade, Host of One Nation with Brian Kilmeade and The Brian Kilmeade Show. Photo Credit: AP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

President Trump's Border Czar Tom Homan has promised swift action on deporting violent criminal migrants. Many critics of the plan are saying that the logistics of carrying out the deportations will be costly and time-consuming, while backers of the plan say that the cost to keep illegal migrants here will outweigh deportations. The President has also ordered U.S. troops to the Southern Border to secure crossings and combat Mexican drug cartels. Florida Congressman Carlos Gimenez (R) joins the Rundown to discuss how Congress can work to help the Trump administration's deportation plan, why he believes the military must combat drug cartels, and how the deportation process will work. The massive artificial intelligence infrastructure project, Stargate, was announced by the Trump administration on Tuesday night. OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank are collaborating to invest over $100 billion in artificial intelligence infrastructure in America in the years to come. Jamie Metzl, who served on the National Security Council during the Clinton administration and is an AI expert, joins to break down what investment in AI means for Americans and why he is warning against too much deregulation when it comes to artificial intelligence. Plus, commentary by Brian Kilmeade, Host of One Nation with Brian Kilmeade and The Brian Kilmeade Show. Photo Credit: AP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Para autor futurista Jamie Metzl, poder de usar engenharia para redesenhar a vida e interferir no planeta em uma escala inimaginável é 'divino'.

Para autor futurista Jamie Metzl, poder de usar engenharia para redesenhar a vida e interferir no planeta em uma escala inimaginável é 'divino'.

Jamie Metzl is one of the world's leading authorities on the implications of the intersecting AI, genetics, and biotechnology revolutions and how governments, corporations, organizations, and individuals can ride the wave of these unprecedented transformations to build their best possible futures. In this Blue Sky episode, he talks about the optimistic insights and opportunities he describes in his new book, Superconvergence.    Chapters: 01:11 Meet Jamie Metzl Bill introduces Jamie Metzl, a technology and healthcare futurist, highlighting his impressive background and recent works. The discussion begins to explore the themes of Jamie's latest book, ‘Superconvergence.'  02:44 The Nature of Optimism Jamie shares his lifelong optimism and how his experiences, including his family's history, have shaped his perspective.   06:07 The Power of Literacy The conversation shifts to the remarkable increase in global literacy rates over the past century. Jamie emphasizes the significance of empowered minds and the potential for collaboration in addressing global challenges.  09:11 Understanding Biological Change Jamie discusses the fluid nature of biology and the historical context of human intervention in biological systems.   13:10 Agricultural Innovations The discussion focuses on the advancements in agricultural productivity, including the role of genetically modified organisms (GMOs).   17:03 The Miracle of COVID Vaccines Jamie reflects on the rapid development of COVID vaccines, emphasizing the technological advancements that made it possible.   23:31 The Future of Precision Medicine The conversation shifts to the promise of targeted and personalized medicine, which tailors treatments to individual patients. Jamie discusses the potential for precision healthcare to revolutionize treatment and improve outcomes.  29:18 Confronting Climate Change In this chapter, Jamie Metzl discusses the pressing issue of climate change and its link to agriculture, highlighting how agricultural practices contribute significantly to carbon emissions.   30:04 Rethinking Agriculture Metzl dives into the complexities of animal agriculture, revealing its massive environmental footprint and the ethical dilemmas it presents. He argues for a shift in perspective on how we produce and consume animal products, advocating for sustainable alternatives.  33:14 The Promise of Cultivated Meat Exploring the emerging field of cell-cultured animal products, Metzl presents a vision for the future of meat that is both ethical and sustainable. He discusses how advancements in biotechnology could revolutionize our food systems while addressing environmental concerns.  36:04 Navigating Uncomfortable Innovations In this segment, Metzl addresses the discomfort many feel about lab-grown meat and encourages listeners to research the realities of conventional animal farming.   39:27 Balancing Risks and Rewards Metzl emphasizes the importance of weighing the potential risks and benefits of new technologies, including synthetic biology and genetic engineering. He highlights the need for careful consideration of the consequences while remaining optimistic about the innovations that can improve our lives.  44:40 Learning from History Reflecting on the lessons from history, Metzl discusses how past technologies have shaped our present challenges, such as climate change. He urges a forward-thinking approach that embraces innovation while acknowledging its complexities.  46:02 Embracing the Future In the closing chapter, Metzl encourages listeners to maintain an open mind about new technologies and their potential to solve pressing global issues. He stresses the importance of not getting locked into present anxieties, but rather looking ahead to the possibilities that lie in innovation. 

Sturgeon caviar harvested in a lab. Skyscrapers made out of living materials that grow from the ground up. Computers that run on DNA. These might sound like science fiction fantasies, but our guest today, Jamie Metzl, says they are real — they're in development right now. How these and other biotechnologies will transform our lives, work, and the world is the subject of Jamie's new book “Superconvergence.”

In part 2 of our discussion with Jamie Metzl, author of Superconvergence, Jaime tells Jason about his idea for creating a new global body tasked with regulated existential risks. Jaime is a super order who sees most of the threats facing humanity as fundamentally linked and wishes to adopt one coherent and coordinated approach to Order the Disorder. Trying to unpick how such regulation could be done, Jamie, Jason and Alex each analyse the differences between an American and European approach to regulating new industries.     Alex and Jason close the episode by proposing how the EU could use its trading might to incentivize global co-ordination on issues like climate change and AI.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Subscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/       Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Notes Links  Mega-order Jamie's book, Superconvergence, at https://superconvergencebook.com For more on Jamie's unbelievable career: https://jamiemetzl.com And his novel ‘Eternal Sonata': https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695898-eternal-sonata   And his theories and extensive public engagement about the origins of COVID-19: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Advanced biotech (CRISPR gene editing, gene drives, personalized medicine) could be the most Disordering technology ever invented. Techniques like gene drives could help us eradicate malaria by sterilising mosquitoes, but could they also spell the end of humanity (by unleashing unintended consequences)? Or release a new pandemic – think COVID-19 which was likely caused by a lab lead of a manmade super virus – into the population?    While biotech offers the potential to revolutionise everything, no one has yet proposed any coherent regulations over this domain. Seeking to learn more about advances in Biotech and how they interact with AI, globalization, and climate change we are joined by Jamie Metzl. Jamie is the author of Superconvergence, and Founder and Chair of the global social movement, OneShared.World. He and Jason discuss the vast opportunities and profound threats that emanate from biotech. Jason puts forth a more socially conservative vision that we need to learn from our collective past, what Jason calls the ‘French-peasant' approach, while Jaime poopoos that approach advancing more boldly futuristic solutions.    To Order the Disorder, Jason and Alex discuss whether top-down or bottom-up governance solutions could help solve this issue, and what we need to do to regain the public's trust in experts.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Subscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/       Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Notes Links  Mega-order Jamie's book, Superconvergence, at https://superconvergencebook.com/   For more on Jamie's unbelievable career: https://jamiemetzl.com/   And his novel ‘Eternal Sonata': https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695898-eternal-sonata   And his theories and extensive public engagement about the origins of COVID-19: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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AI and biotech are rapidly changing our world. Superconvergence author Jamie Metzl explores the risks and rewards of this unprecedented era! [Part 2/2 — find part 1 here!] What We Discuss with Jamie Metzl: AI and genetics are advancing rapidly, leading to potential breakthroughs in medicine, agriculture, and solving global challenges like climate change and food scarcity. The development of cell-cultivated meat and other animal products could significantly reduce environmental impact and animal cruelty associated with industrial agriculture. There are concerns about unforeseen consequences of genetic engineering and AI, including potential misuse of technology and ethical dilemmas. The COVID-19 pandemic highlighted the importance of investigating disease origins thoroughly and following scientific evidence, even when it leads to uncomfortable conclusions. Everyone can and should participate in discussions about emerging technologies and their implications. By educating ourselves on these topics, we can contribute to shaping a better future that balances innovation with ethical considerations and societal needs. And much more — continued from part 1/2 earlier this week! Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1015 This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course! Like this show? Please leave us a review here — even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally!

AI and biotech are rapidly changing our world. Superconvergence author Jamie Metzl explores the risks and rewards of this unprecedented era! [Part 1/2] What We Discuss with Jamie Metzl: Technological progress is accelerating exponentially. According to Superconvergence author Jamie Metzl, the scientific advancements made in the next 14 years will outdo those of the last century, followed by another century's worth in only seven years. AI (artificial intelligence) is not just a standalone technology, but will be integrated into every aspect of our lives, boosting the rate of scientific discoveries and problem-solving across all fields. Advances in genetic engineering and reproductive technologies may lead to the ability to select and modify embryos for desired traits, raising ethical questions and potentially redirecting the future of human evolution. The rapid pace of technological change is outstripping our evolved ability to comprehend it, leading to challenges in adapting and governing these new technologies responsibly. To navigate this rapidly changing world, humanity should focus on developing a clear set of values and goals to guide its collective use of technology. And much more — to be continued in part 2/2 coming later this week! Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1014 This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship development mini course — at jordanharbinger.com/course! Subscribe to our once-a-week Wee Bit Wiser newsletter today and start filling your Wednesdays with wisdom! Do you even Reddit, bro? Join us at r/JordanHarbinger! Like this show? Please leave us a review here — even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally!

Cal talks with the futurist who tells us that artificial intelligence is going to be embedded in everything we do -- and that means many aspects of the world around us will be moving at an accelerated pace. His book, Superconvergence, looks at how AI will transform our lives as it is embedded in genetics and biotech. It could mean living longer, feeding billions and supercharging the economy. We don't want to think about the downside – which is why we must. Jamie's got a Ph.D. from Oxford, a Juris Doctor degree from Harvard Law School and he was the opening speaker at the 2023 Dubai future forum. He's also an ironman triathlete in his spare time. When Cal left the conversation, he felt like his IQ had spiked. You may feel the same.

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Artificial intelligence is in its infancy, but right now—from the stock market, to the tech world, to the classroom, and more—it's all people can talk about. Jamie Metzl served on the National Security Council under the Clinton administration, and his new book, "Superconvergence,” explains why people should be cautiously optimistic about the potential of AI. He joined the podcast this week, but the conversation was too long to include all of his insight on the burgeoning artificial intelligence revolution. On the FOX News Rundown Extra, hear our entire, unedited conversation with Jamie about the potential massive transformations AI could bring to our lives, work, and the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I am a Democrat who believes that carrying out a bipartisan (and nonpartisan) investigation into pandemic origins is essential,” writes Jamie Metzl, who has been called the “Original COVID-19 Whistleblower” and was referenced multiple times in newly-revealed emails between Dr. Morens, Dr. Anthony Fauci, EcoHealth Alliance head Peter Daszak, and the NIH. • SPONSORED BY TAX NETWORK USA – Owe back taxes? Tax Network USA has saved over $1 billion for their clients and can help you secure the best deal possible. Call 1-800-245-6000 for a private, free consultation, or visit https://drdrew.com/tnusa “Others may feel differently,” Jamie writes, “but it's my view that this close-nit community of natural origin advocates were so wedded to their priors they could not imagine even the possibility that the work they had carried out for decades to prevent pandemics — with the best of intentions — might possibly have contributed to the worst pandemic in a century.” Jamie Metzl is a technology futurist, geopolitics expert, and author of Superconvergence as well as the international bestseller Hacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of Humanity available at https://amzn.to/3RwkeC2. Jamie has served in the U.S. National Security Council, State Department, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and as a Human Rights Officer for the United Nations in Cambodia. Jamie was the lead witness in the March 2023 US congressional hearings on COVID-19 origins and has been called the “original COVID-19 whistleblower” for his efforts calling for a full investigation of the pandemic's origins. Find more at https://jamiemetzl.com/ and follow him at https://x.com/JamieMetzl Tom Renz is an attorney from Ohio conducting ‘Lawfare for Freedom' by fighting corruption surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic at state and federal levels. Find out more at https://renz-law.com and follow him at https://x.com/RenzTom 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://capsadyn.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 30% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Artificial intelligence is in its infancy, but right now—from the stock market, to the tech world, to the classroom, and more—it's all people can talk about. Jamie Metzl served on the National Security Council under the Clinton administration, and his new book, "Superconvergence,” explains why people should be cautiously optimistic about the potential of AI. He joined the podcast this week, but the conversation was too long to include all of his insight on the burgeoning artificial intelligence revolution. On the FOX News Rundown Extra, hear our entire, unedited conversation with Jamie about the potential massive transformations AI could bring to our lives, work, and the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Artificial intelligence is in its infancy, but right now—from the stock market, to the tech world, to the classroom, and more—it's all people can talk about. Jamie Metzl served on the National Security Council under the Clinton administration, and his new book, "Superconvergence,” explains why people should be cautiously optimistic about the potential of AI. He joined the podcast this week, but the conversation was too long to include all of his insight on the burgeoning artificial intelligence revolution. On the FOX News Rundown Extra, hear our entire, unedited conversation with Jamie about the potential massive transformations AI could bring to our lives, work, and the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode Description: Michael Fischer dives into the transformative impact of decentralized science (DeSci) on research and data sharing. He discusses the evolution of scientific research with the integration of blockchain technology, emphasizing how it democratizes access and incentivizes participation through tokenization. Fischer introduces WaterBear, a platform that gamifies science by creating community-driven research projects using meme coins, offering a fresh perspective on how data collection and validation can be more engaging and accessible. He also highlights various projects within WaterBear, such as SleepDAO and PsychedelicsDAO, showcasing their potential to revolutionize fields like sleep research and psychedelic studies through community involvement and innovative data sharing mechanisms. This episode provides a compelling look at how decentralized approaches can accelerate scientific discovery and make research more inclusive and transparent. Grow Everything brings the bioeconomy to life. Hosts Karl Schmieder and Erum Azeez Khan share stories and interview the leaders and influencers changing the world by growing everything. Biology is the oldest technology. And it can be engineered. What are we growing? Learn more at ⁠www.messaginglab.com/groweverything⁠ Chapters: 00:00:00 - The Evolution of Becoming a Scientist with AI 00:00:24 - Summer Flu and Personal Updates 00:01:22 - Introduction to the Grow Everything Podcast 00:01:49 - Exploring the Bio Design Challenge 00:03:35 - Highlighting the Winning Project: Super Worms 00:05:29 - Networking with Leading Innovators 00:07:17 - Jamie Metzl's Book Launch and AI Convergence 00:08:43 - Exciting Bio-Inspired Product Announcements 00:10:33 - Introduction to Michael Fisher and the Concept of DeSci 00:14:01 - Deep Dive into Decentralized Science (DeSci) 00:16:47 - Addressing Challenges in Scientific Research 00:24:57 - Incentivizing Participation in Clinical Trials 00:28:20 - The Role of AI in Accelerating Scientific Discoveries 00:30:09 - WaterBear: Gamifying Community-Driven Science 00:34:27 - Exploring the Potential of DeSci and WaterBear 00:35:24 - The Importance of Reporting Negative Results 00:37:59 - Crowdsourcing and Tokenizing Scientific Data 00:38:51 - Making Science Engaging through Gamification 00:44:15 - Revolutionizing Sleep Research with SleepDAO 00:45:51 - PsychedelicsDAO and Personalized Medicine 00:47:28 - Digestive Health Research with Blue Cookie DAO 00:53:30 - Building and Growing the DeSci Community 00:56:33 - Future Opportunities and Directions in DeSci 00:59:40 - Final Thoughts and Upcoming Announcements Topics Covered: biotech funding, biopharma, biology, startup, blockchain, decentralized science (desci),  entrepreneurship, synthetic biology Episode Links: Enter to win free Oobli Chocolate (link) Waterbear (link) Jobs at Waterbear (link) Waterbearsci on X (link) Biodesign Challenge (link) Winner of Biodesign Challenge video at 02:30:45 (link) MSCHF bag (link) Superconvergence by Jamie Metzl (link) Future Society Episode with Jasmina Aganovic of Arcaea (link) Episode with Suzanne Lee of Biofabricate (link) Have a question or comment? Message us here: Text or Call (804) 505-5553 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GrowEverything website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email: groweverything@messaginglab.com Music by: Nihilore Production by: Amplafy Media --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/messaginglab/message

Episode DescriptionIn this riveting episode of "The James Altucher Show," James welcomes back futurist Jamie Metzl to explore the groundbreaking themes from his new book, Superconvergence: How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and World. As one of the most frequent and insightful guests on the show, Jamie shares his expert perspective on the rapid acceleration of technologies that are reshaping our future. From the intersection of genomics and artificial intelligence to the ethical implications of human-engineered life, this conversation is packed with insights that you won't find anywhere else. Tune in to understand how these technological advancements will affect your health, the environment, and the global economy.What You'll Learn:The concept of superconvergence and how it marks a pivotal point in technological evolution.The ethical considerations and potential risks of genome editing and AI.How AI and genomics are being used to tackle some of the most challenging health issues.The future of food production with lab-grown meat and genetically modified crops.Predictions for the next big breakthroughs in biotechnology and artificial intelligence.Chapters:00:01:30 – Introduction to Jamie Metzl and Superconvergence00:02:35 – The Most Exciting and Worrisome Future Technologies00:04:04 – Potential Dangers of Genomics and AI00:06:12 – The Convergence of AI and Genomics: A Tipping Point00:10:05 – Ethical and Societal Implications of Genome Editing00:19:06 – Lab-Grown Meat: Science and Ethical Concerns00:29:52 – The Debate Over GMOs and Misinformation00:39:30 – Breakthroughs in Genome Editing and CRISPR Technologies00:54:50 – Applications of AI in Healthcare and Beyond01:02:43 – Navigating the Future of Personalized Medicine01:13:05 – Predictions for the Future: Sustainable Innovations and Human-AI IntegrationAdditional Resources:Jamie Metzl's websiteSuperconvergence: How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and WorldHacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of HumanityAlphaFold by DeepMindJennifer Doudna's work on CRISPR ------------What do YOU think of the show? Head to JamesAltucherShow.com/listeners and fill out a short survey that will help us better tailor the podcast to our audience!Are you interested in getting direct answers from James about your question on a podcast? Go to JamesAltucherShow.com/AskAltucher and send in your questions to be answered on the air!------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book, Skip the Line, is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all my podcasts! Check out the full post and learn what I learned at jamesaltuchershow.com------------Thank you so much for listening! If you like this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe to “The James Altucher Show” wherever you get your podcasts: Apple PodcastsiHeart RadioSpotifyFollow me on social media:YouTubeTwitterFacebookLinkedIn

Episode DescriptionIn this riveting episode of "The James Altucher Show," James welcomes back futurist Jamie Metzl to explore the groundbreaking themes from his new book, Superconvergence: How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and World. As one of the most frequent and insightful guests on the show, Jamie shares his expert perspective on the rapid acceleration of technologies that are reshaping our future. From the intersection of genomics and artificial intelligence to the ethical implications of human-engineered life, this conversation is packed with insights that you won't find anywhere else. Tune in to understand how these technological advancements will affect your health, the environment, and the global economy.What You'll Learn:The concept of superconvergence and how it marks a pivotal point in technological evolution.The ethical considerations and potential risks of genome editing and AI.How AI and genomics are being used to tackle some of the most challenging health issues.The future of food production with lab-grown meat and genetically modified crops.Predictions for the next big breakthroughs in biotechnology and artificial intelligence.Chapters:00:01:30 - Introduction to Jamie Metzl and Superconvergence00:02:35 - The Most Exciting and Worrisome Future Technologies00:04:04 - Potential Dangers of Genomics and AI00:06:12 - The Convergence of AI and Genomics: A Tipping Point00:10:05 - Ethical and Societal Implications of Genome Editing00:19:06 - Lab-Grown Meat: Science and Ethical Concerns00:29:52 - The Debate Over GMOs and Misinformation00:39:30 - Breakthroughs in Genome Editing and CRISPR Technologies00:54:50 - Applications of AI in Healthcare and Beyond01:02:43 - Navigating the Future of Personalized Medicine01:13:05 - Predictions for the Future: Sustainable Innovations and Human-AI IntegrationAdditional Resources:Jamie Metzl's websiteSuperconvergence: How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and WorldHacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of HumanityAlphaFold by DeepMindJennifer Doudna's work on CRISPR ------------What do YOU think of the show? Head to JamesAltucherShow.com/listeners and fill out a short survey that will help us better tailor the podcast to our audience!Are you interested in getting direct answers from James about your question on a podcast? Go to JamesAltucherShow.com/AskAltucher and send in your questions to be answered on the air!------------Visit Notepd.com to read our idea lists & sign up to create your own!My new book, Skip the Line, is out! Make sure you get a copy wherever books are sold!Join the You Should Run for President 2.0 Facebook Group, where we discuss why you should run for President.I write about all my podcasts! Check out the full post and learn what I learned at jamesaltuchershow.com------------Thank you so much for listening! If you like this episode, please rate, review, and subscribe to "The James Altucher Show" wherever you get your podcasts: Apple PodcastsiHeart RadioSpotifyFollow me on social media:YouTubeTwitterFacebookLinkedIn

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[00:00:00] Ian Bremmer [00:18:25] Ned Ryun [00:36:46] Marc Thiessen [01:13:31] Andy McCarthy [01:31:55] Jamie Metzl [01:45:30] Ian O'Connor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to FOMO Sapiens, the podcast about entrepreneurial thinkers who don't just follow the crowd, but instead take their own path to success in business and in life. In this episode, host Patrick J. McGinnis is joined by Jamie Metzl, a technology and healthcare futurist, geopolitical expert, and author of "Hacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of Humanity." In a captivating conversation, we dive into the content of Jamie's groundbreaking book, discussing how genetic engineering is about to drastically alter the future of our species. Jamie elucidates the current state of genetic science, the ethical dilemmas arising from it, and what these innovations might mean for the future of humanity. The discussion touches on topics like CRISPR, gene editing, designer babies, and the societal implications of these advancements. Jamie explains how these innovations could revolutionize healthcare, longevity, and even our evolutionary trajectory, all while discussing the ethical conundrums and potential risks that accompany such progress. Whether you're a science enthusiast, an entrepreneur in the healthcare space, or simply interested in understanding how genetic engineering could shape our future, this episode is a fascinating journey through the genetic frontier. Join us and let Jamie Metzl's "Hacking Darwin" open your eyes to the potential and the challenges of our genetically-engineered future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What sets humans apart? Technology and healthcare futurist Jamie Metzl dives into the intersection of artificial intelligence and humanity, why learning and creativity are crucial, and what it really means to be optimistic.This week's conversation is with leading geopolitical expert and technology futurist, Jamie Metzl, a returning guest to the podcast we're so happy to welcome back. Jamie boasts degrees from Brown (undergrad), Harvard (law), and Oxford (Ph.D), but that may just be the least interesting thing about him. He's served in the U.S. State Department, and on the National Security Council, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing. He's also been called “the original COVID-19 whistleblower” as a leading advocate for a full investigation into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.His bestselling book, Hacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of Humanity, is a groundbreaking exploration of the future of our species. Jamie's profound and provocative inquiry suggests humankind is about to start evolving by new rules as genetic engineering begins to alter the core foundations of our lives - sex, love, war and death.This conversation proves that Jamie has so much more to offer than his resume and I'm so grateful to have had him back on the podcast for this insightful and important discussion.-----You can WATCH this episode on our YouTube channel.Connect with us on our Instagram.For more information and shownotes from every episode, head to findingmastery.com.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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COVID-19 most likely spread as the result of a lab leak in Wuhan, China, according to a recent Department of Energy report aimed at deriving the pandemic's origin. This theory was once marked as disinformation on popular social media sites; now, this assessment from the US Energy Department echoes the FBI's 2021 conclusion that an unintentional leak from the Wuhan Virology Institute was the likely origin of the pandemic. Former World Health Organization advisory board member Jamie Metzl was one of the first to call for investigations into COVID origins and emphasize the merits of the lab leak theory. He joins the Rundown to break down all the evidence supporting the lab leak theory and why it faced scrutiny in the early days of the pandemic. As the GOP pool of presidential candidates continues to grow, former President Trump appears to be the frontrunner in the latest Fox News poll. With issues such as education, foreign policy, and inflation at the forefront of many Americans' minds right now, one lesser-known candidate is hoping to make a name for himself early on. Former Mayor of Cranston, Rhode Island, Steve Laffey joins the Rundown to discuss why he believes it's time for new leadership in the Republican Party, how he plans to campaign against the 'big shots,' and why his previous experiences in both business and politics make him a great candidate in this competitive race.   Plus, commentary by FOX News contributor Deroy Murdock. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

[00:00:00] Will Hurd [00:18:25] Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-WI) [00:36:46] Michael Goodwin [00:55:10] Mark Esper [01:13:31] Jamie Metzl [01:31:54] Bret Baier Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are we entering a ‘newgenic' age - where cutting-edge technologies and the power of personal choice could achieve the kind of genetic perfection that 20th century eugenicists were after? In 2018, a Chinese scientist illegally attempted to precision edit the genome of two embryos. It didn't work as intended. Twin sisters - Lulu and Nana - were later born, but their identity, and the status of their health, is shrouded in secrecy. They were the first designer babies. Other technological developments are also coming together in ways that could change reproduction: IVF can produce multiple viable embryos, and polygenic screening could be used to select between them. Increased understanding and control of our genetics is seen as a threat by some - an inevitable force for division. But instead of allowing genetics to separate and rank people, perhaps there's a way it can be used - actively - to promote equality. Professor Paige Harden shares her suggestion of an anti-eugenic politics which makes use of genetic information Contributors: Dr Helen O'Neill, lecturer in Reproductive and Molecular Genetics at University College London, Dr Jamie Metzl, author of Hacking Darwin, Professor Kathryn Paige Harden from the University of Texas and author of The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality.

The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (02/09/2023): 3:05pm- On Wednesday, Philadelphia Police Officer Giovanni Maysonet was shot twice during an investigation in West Philadelphia. Thankfully, Officer Maysonet was wearing a protective bulletproof vest at the time of the shooting. He is now in stable condition following surgery at Penn Presbyterian Hospital. The alleged shooters have been arrested.  3:10pm- According to a report from former FBI Special Agent Kyle Seraphin, a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) field office recently released a memo warning of “radical traditionalist Catholic ideology.” You can read the article at: https://www.uncoverdc.com/2023/02/08/the-fbi-doubles-down-on-christians-and-white-supremacy-in-2023/ 3:15pm- On Thursday, a Congressional Judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on the weaponization, and subsequent overt politicization, of the Justice Department. During the hearing Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) explained, "I have run countless investigations and...I've never seen so much effort from the FBI, the partisan media, and some of my Democrat colleagues to interfere with and undermine very legitimate congressional inquiries." He also pointed to evidence that indicates that the FBI is aware of “potential criminal conduct” by Hunter Biden.  3:45pm- During Thursday's Congressional Judiciary subcommittee hearing, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) noted that, according to polling, a significant percentage of Democrats would have changed their vote in the 2020 presidential election had they been aware that the Hunter Biden laptop story wasn't “Russian disinformation” like many intel officials and media members originally proclaimed. 3:55pm- Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) implored officials to release the unredacted emails of former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) director Dr. Anthony Fauci, in hopes of determining whether or not the United States provided funding for dangerous gain-of-function research in China. 4:05pm- In a Wall Street Journal opinion editorial, Jamie Metzl and Matt Pottinger argue that Congress needs to immediately establish a commission to determine the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. Metzl and Pottinger write, “[t]hat Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the House provides a unique opportunity for responsible, hard-hitting hearings in both chambers. There's no reason this should become an exercise in partisan point-scoring. Getting to the bottom of how this avoidable human catastrophe began—and adopting measures to prevent similar ones—should naturally be a unifying initiative.” Read the full editorial at: https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-still-dont-know-the-truth-about-covid-wuhan-lab-virology-pandemic-source-gain-of-function-who-research-accountability-china-congress-11675893326?mod=opinion_lead_pos5 4:25pm- Two of the beagles rescued from a puppy mill used by Dr. Anthony's Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) will participate in this year's Puppy Bowl competition. 4:35pm- During an interview with CNN Business, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates insisted that he's not a hypocrite for using a private jet while concurrently warning society about fossil fuel-caused climate change. 4:45pm- While speaking at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen implored the World Bank to do more in addressing climate change. Meanwhile, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez (D-NY) is calling for the establishment of tax credits to cover the consumer costs of electric bikes. 4:50pm- According to a review published by the Cochrane Library, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) exaggerated the effectiveness of surgical masks reducing the likelihood of COVID-19 infection.  5:05pm- During Thursday's Congressional Judiciary subcommittee hearing, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) warned of “systemic rot” within the FBI, specifically referencing leadership culture. 5:10pm- Former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard spoke during a Congressional Judiciary subcommittee hearing and condemned Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) for referring to her as a “traitor.”  5:30pm- Senator John Fetterman (D-PA) was hospitalized on Wednesday night after feeling lightheaded at a Democrat retreat. According to reports, the symptoms are not believed to be related to the stroke Fetterman suffered in 2022. 5:45pm- Florida Governor Ron DeSantis responded to attacks leveled against him by former President Donald Trump.  5:50pm- While speaking with Judy Woodruff on PBS NewsHour, President Joe Biden denied that shooting down a Chinese reconnaissance balloon will negatively impact his relationship with Xi Jinping.  5:55pm- Caller Greg wants to hear Rich scream at Matt and Henry more frequently. PLUS Mama Zeoli broadcasts LIVE from the Hindenburg disaster? We have the exclusive audio. 6:05pm- During Tuesday night's State of the Union Address, President Joe Biden accused Republicans of wanting to slash Medicare and Social Security. Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) stated that Biden's allegations are false. Meanwhile, Zeoli plays audio from Biden's time as a U.S. Senator where he explicitly calls for cuts to Medicare and Social Security... 6:25pm- Zeoli hilariously yells at Henry for playing music too loudly overtop of his segment opens—Caller Greg must be elated.  6:35pm- While speaking in front of a state House Health Committee hearing in Tennessee, political commentator Matt Walsh asked, “do you really think a 16-year-old can consent to having body parts removed?” referencing gender affirming surgery on children. The Committee was, notably, left speechless.  6:45pm- Philadelphia Eagles star wide receiver DeVonta Smith admits that he doesn't like cheesesteaks. 

The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 2:  In a Wall Street Journal opinion editorial, Jamie Metzl and Matt Pottinger argue that Congress needs to immediately establish a commission to determine the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. Metzl and Pottinger write, “[t]hat Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the House provides a unique opportunity for responsible, hard-hitting hearings in both chambers. There's no reason this should become an exercise in partisan point-scoring. Getting to the bottom of how this avoidable human catastrophe began—and adopting measures to prevent similar ones—should naturally be a unifying initiative.” Read the full editorial at: https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-still-dont-know-the-truth-about-covid-wuhan-lab-virology-pandemic-source-gain-of-function-who-research-accountability-china-congress-11675893326?mod=opinion_lead_pos5 Two of the beagles rescued from a puppy mill used by Dr. Anthony's Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) will participate in this year's Puppy Bowl competition. During an interview with CNN Business, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates insisted that he's not a hypocrite for using a private jet while concurrently warning society about fossil fuel-caused climate change. While speaking at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen implored the World Bank to do more in addressing climate change. Meanwhile, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez (D-NY) is calling for the establishment of tax credits to cover the consumer costs of electric bikes. According to a review published by the Cochrane Library, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) exaggerated the effectiveness of surgical masks reducing the likelihood of COVID-19 infection. 

In a Wall Street Journal opinion editorial, Jamie Metzl and Matt Pottinger argue that Congress needs to immediately establish a commission to determine the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. Metzl and Pottinger write, “[t]hat Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the House provides a unique opportunity for responsible, hard-hitting hearings in both chambers. There's no reason this should become an exercise in partisan point-scoring. Getting to the bottom of how this avoidable human catastrophe began—and adopting measures to prevent similar ones—should naturally be a unifying initiative.” Read the full editorial at: https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-still-dont-know-the-truth-about-covid-wuhan-lab-virology-pandemic-source-gain-of-function-who-research-accountability-china-congress-11675893326?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

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Jamie Metzl is a futurist, author, and founder of OneShared.World.