Podcasts about kaileen

Explore the enchanting realm of 'I Woke Up A Vampire' Season 2, debuting April 4th on Netflix, as Kaileen Chang joins Elias on Pop Culture Unplugged for an exclusive conversation. Gain profound insights into her character Carmie's evolution throughout the season and delve into Kaileen's multifaceted persona. Hailing from Los Angeles, Kaileen Angelic Chang is a dynamic actress of Latinx and Taiwanese heritage, celebrated for her breakout role in the 2023 Netflix sensation. Beyond acting, she's a gifted singer and advocate for Down Syndrome awareness, inspired by her sister Jaylee. Renowned for her prowess in ice skating, fencing, and dance, Kaileen is also fluent in ASL. With a stellar academic background and a diverse range of hobbies including swimming, cooking, crafting, and fashion design, Kaileen embodies versatility and talent. Watch the full interview on YouTube: Click here For more exclusive interviews and behind-the-scenes content, subscribe to Pop Culture Unplugged w/ Elias on YouTube: Subscribe here

Kaileen's back after a long break with something to celebrate! Join as she shares her feelings about turning 39, wishes for the year ahead, and how she's celebrating the occasion. Her 30s have been a time of major adulting, from getting married, buying a home, having three kids, quitting her corporate career, and starting two businesses. Now, Kaileen's feeling the nudge to dream about what's next.From health and family, to work and play, Kaileen lays out her top wishes and invites you to dream alongside her. Find inspiration and get a glimpse into her #1 wish for herself and this community. If you want to join in the celebration, leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Your kind words mean the world and help the show reach new ears! Looking for more? Sign up for Kaileen's free weekly newsletter 'A Moment', delivered every Monday morning with 3 inspiring ideas, 2 things you'll love, and 1 prompt to ponder. Click here to join: https://kaileenelise.myflodesk.com/moment

Have you ever wondered about the power of that inner voice in your head and how it can improve your life?Today, we're delving into the fascinating realm of intuition with Kaileen Elise, an intuition coach, and discovering why it's a complete game-changer. Kaileen shares her journey into intuition coaching and reveals why trusting your gut can profoundly shift your life. Imagine reconnecting with that inner voice you often overlook. Kaileen's mission is to help entrepreneurs like you harness their powerful intuition. Throughout this episode, we delve deep into Kaileen's coaching approach, a thoughtfully designed methodology crafted to guide you back to your intuitive core and cultivate a compassionate relationship with your inner voice. Join us as we explore the cathartic release of emotions, the embrace of self-acceptance, and the nurturing concept of self-mothering. This episode isn't just about Kaileen's journey — it's about yours too. Please tune in and let us be your guides on this enlightening journey toward self-discovery and fulfilment.Connect with Kaileen Elise over on:Website: https://www.kaileenelise.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kaileenelise/Listen to her podcast Celebrate Cultivate: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/celebrate-cultivate/id1508781321 _____________________________________________________________________For more of The Scenic Route, head to scenicroutepodcast.com for more free resources to help you build the life you want, regardless of what life throws at you. JOIN THE CONVERSATIONConnect with me over on: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/jenniferwalter_ch/ or TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjenniferwalter Don't forget to sign up and receive your free Intuitive Branding Invitation email course, where you learn how to unlock the secrets to a captivating brand that is just so you and builds the foundation of your successful and sustainable business. SHOW SOME LOVEIf you found value in today's episode, I would appreciate it if you could leave a rating and review and help me share the message with more business owners who are ready to discover the scenic route!

Give yourself permission to escape the daily grind and indulge in much-deserved self-care. Kaileen recounts her recent adventures and shares inspiration for giving yourself a getaway. Gather ideas for embracing vacation vibes, putting plans into motion, and investing in your well-being. Whether you're craving a solo trip or seeking connection with a dear friend, this will inspire you to prioritize time away. Remember, you're worth it, and your friendships are worth it too! → Access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/give-yourself-a-getaway

Kaileen shares a simple practice that will enhance your everyday life. Learn the magic in looking back at the past, savoring the present, and envisioning an extraordinary future. Get ready to unlock a new level of fulfillment and inspiration! → Access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/looking-back-and-forward-ten-years

Kaileen shares her recent experience of attending a live Abraham Hicks Workshop. Tune in for her insights on how the teachings of Abraham have evolved in the last few decades. From understanding the Law of Attraction in a new way to reexamining the idea of Expanders, this episode is packed with ideas and takeaways that you can apply to your everyday life. → Access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/abraham-hicks-workshop-law-of-attraction

Join host Kaileen Elise Sues in this episode of Celebrate Cultivate as she reveals how trusting intuition has transformed her life and can do the same for you. Learn how to cultivate the life-changing magic of intuition through listening within, emotional release, and aligned action, and discover practical tips for accessing your inner wisdom. Plus, get a sneak peek into Magical May, Kaileen's month-long coaching program designed to help you transcend daily dramas and embrace the magic in your life. Enrollment is open now! → Access the show notes from this episode and join Magical May: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/life-changing-magic-of-intuition

When you shift your focus away from the dramas of daily life and start to embrace magic, all sorts of alignment and flow can unfold. Kaileen shares four fun stories from her everyday life as examples. She also reveals the details of her upcoming course and group coaching program, Magical May. The doors to join are open today! → Access the show notes from this episode and join Magical May: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/embracing-magic-with-magical-may

Kaileen shares why now is the time to listen inward. Enjoy an 8-minute guided meditation to help you connect with your inner voice and the energy of the spring season. Learn more about The Season Sessions, a yearlong coaching membership for women who want to live with more intuition, intention, and inspiration through the seasons. → Get your free intuition guide and access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/guided-meditation-for-the-spring-season

To celebrate her 38th birthday, Kaileen is reflecting back on the past year of being 37 and sharing what her intentions are for the year ahead. Tune in for personal updates and insights, along with inspiration for doing this practice in your own life. → Get your free intuition guide and access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/38th-birthday-wishes

New beginnings happen all of the time, not just at the start of a new year. Today, Kaileen is sharing 23 ideas for embracing the energy of new beginnings. These prompts, rituals, practices, and ideas will inspire you to honor and celebrate the new beginnings in your life! → Get your free intuition guide and access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/23-ideas-for-new-beginnings-2023 

Your inner voice of intuition is already super strong… even if you aren't in the habit of hearing what it has to say. Instead of trying to strengthen your intuition, you can cultivate the practice of listening to the wisdom within you. In today's podcast episode, Kaileen is sharing why you don't need to strengthen your intuition and what you can do instead. → Get your free intuition guide and access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/you-dont-need-to-stregnthen-your-intuition

“Flow” gets a lot of attention, but what about the “ebbs” in life? Kaileen is back after a 3-month hiatus with ideas for listening to intuition when things go sideways. If the first part of this year has flown by or taken you by surprise, tune in for tips on hearing your inner voice and accessing the calm within (especially through sickness and everyday chaos). → Get your free intuition guide and access the show notes from this episode: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/allowing-the-ebbs-of-life

Intuition seems like a pretty good word as we kick off 2023! And to start off the New Year I am sharing an interview with Intuition Coach Kaileen Elise Sues who helps her clients get back in touch with their truest self. After her second baby Kaileen realized that her inner voice held answers that she couldn't find anywhere else. She was self-sabotaging because she wasn't listening to her intuition and today, she helps others dive into their inner voice to find more fulfillment and ease in their life. In this episode: The 4 moon cycles and the types of energy they bring Cycling with the moon cycles The pressure of society to keep up Settling into yourself in the new year instead of hustle hustle hustle because that is what society says we have to do Recovering from hustle and perfectionism The practice of Pause, breathe and ask... The power of journalling + tips for women who have a block when it comes to journalling How to find your intuition/inner voice when you don't think you have it How to build a vision board Kaileen ends the episode with a Coles Notes dive into the power of crystals. CONNECT WITH KAILEEN Kaileen Elise Sues is an expert in helping women reconnect with their intuition and their creativity. Kaileen leads her community through inner voice journaling sessions, moon rituals (that don't require dancing naked outside), vision board circles and she insists that you don't have to be a witch or a medium to be into crystals! Website: www.kaileenelise.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/kaileenelise MORE FROM MICHELLE Instagram: www.instagram.com/michellepfile Facebook: www.facebook.com/michellepfilecoaching Website: www.michellepfile.com Join The Wellness Hub: www.michellepfile.com/wellnesshub

Kaileen Elise Sues is an intuition coach who helps her clients cut through the noise in everyday life and get back in touch with their truest selves. During our podcast interview today we'll cover how to use your intuition in every day life (even if it's just deciding what to do while your kids nap) and how to turn to your inner voice during life's ever-changing seasons in order to stay grounded even if things outside feel a little chaotic. To learn more about strengthening your intuition and work with Kaileen, visit: https://www.kaileenelise.com/ Connect with Kaileen on Instagram and join the 7 Days of Self-Care for the Holidays @kaileenelise. https://www.instagram.com/kaileenelise/ Listen to Kaileen's podcast, Celebrate Cultivate: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast Download your free guided meditation to release stress and cultivate a merry, mindful mood for the holiday season: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/6346f186dc1a7e7fee60a367

Heidi Fiedler joins Kaileen for a conversation about where motherhood, creativity, and intuition intersect. Heidi is a writer, editor, creative coach who makes book magic. She's also a Beta Member of The Season Sessions and a longtime listener of Celebrate Cultivate! This episode is filled with inspiration for mothers, creatives, and entrepreneurs who want to live with more intuition. → Access show notes and links here: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/heidi-fiedler

It's a place where you spend a lot of time. But is Instagram giving you what you want? Are you finding what you need? Tune into this open conversation about Instagram and why Kaileen is stepping off the platform (at least for a little while). → Access the show notes and learn more: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/honest-chat-about-instagram

Show Notes: In the Season 5 Finale, Kaileen is interviewed by her coach and friend, Emma Natter. Listen in as they discuss navigating motherhood and career paths, allowing alignment to find you, and learning how to let go of data and trust yourself. → Access the show notes and learn more:  → Access the show notes and learn more: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/season-five-finale

Today we celebrate the two-year anniversary of the Celebrate Cultivate podcast by answering a listener's question. As you navigate the fullness of everyday life, is it possible to find ease and flow instead of frustration and pressure? Tune in as Kaileen shares ideas for cultivating ease and finding flow, even when you are feeling frustration or pressure. → Access the show notes and learn more: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/finding-flow

I sat down with my friend Kaileen to discuss what it means to be an intuition coach and how to follow your intuition through life's ups and downs. Kaileen Elise is an Intuition Coach and host of the Celebrate Cultivate podcast. She helps entrepreneurs and mothers find more alignment and ease through coaching, courses, and online retreats. If you want to learn how to access your intuition, trust your inner wisdom, and take aligned action, Kaileen is someone who's work you will want to follow.My episode on Kaileen's podcast Celebrate Cultivate.Jess LivelyKaileen EliseKaileen's The Season SessionsIG: kaileeneliseFollow along!Join Our NewsletterInstagram: @zanfarrowWebsite: zanfarrow.com

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Tune in for our 100th episode! We are celebrating with a look back at the beginnings of Celebrate Cultivate. Listen as Kaileen shares how this all began as a free online event in 2018, then turned into a podcast in 2020, and is now a company and online wellness studio – with dreams of a book and in-person events in the future! → Access the show notes and learn more: https://www.kaileenelise.com/podcast/celebrating-100-episodes

Licensed professional counselors Johanna Dwinells and Sarah Bryski-Hamrick are slowly demystifying and destigmatizing therapy, one episode at a time. Recording and living in the Philadelphia area, Johanna and Sarah work to make therapy feel more accessible, with quirky, sometimes intrusive questions that reveal the human side of healthcare professionals, all while they overcome their own anxieties and internalized stigmas. TW: Brief mention of SIEpisode summary: Johanna is grateful. Sarah celebrates. They both discuss fonts and the history of OCD. Guest, Kaileen McMickle, talks about working with anxiety, OCD and overcoming shame.Guest Bio: Kaileen is a Licensed Professional Counselor and owner of Inner Ascent Counseling in Rice Lake, Wisconsin. She has 8 years of experience working in the mental health field, 6 of those post-grad. Her first clinical setting following graduation was in a trauma-based day treatment program for adolescents leading group therapy. She now specializes in anxiety (with certification as a Certified Clinical Anxiety Treatment Professional) and trauma and is passionate about working with many of the ways anxiety and shame manifests for people including PTSD, OCD, perfectionism, panic, and stress. She loves to make time for her amazing 14 year-old daughter, connecting with friends and family, quiet early morning coffee, sometimes a good Netflix binge or video game, and frisbee golf (when nature thaws).Sources for today's History Lesson: med.stanford.edu; Mad world: Robert Burton's The Anatomy of Melancholy by Michael Edwards; merriam-webster.comResources: Dr. Kristin Neff at self-compassion.org; Brene Brown at brenebrown.comQuestions/comments/concerns? Want to be interviewed on TND podcast? Email us at therapistsnextdoor@gmail.com.Follow us: IG: @tndpodTwitter: @tndpod1Do you want bonus features, including episodes, the ability to vote on what questions we ask our guests and ad-free episodes (fingers crossed)? Do you want to help support us as we demystify and destigmatize mental health? Visit our Patreon: patreon.com/tndpodcastOr visit our website: tndpodcast.com

Kaileen and I have always been big fans of The Secret and played around with different manifestation techniques throughout our lives.  In this episode, we each share our practices around how to manifest money into your life, stories of when we each have brought money in effortlessly without “working” for it.     Connect with Kaileen:   https://www.kaileenelise.com/   Connect with Christy -  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ambitioussoul.co/   NEW Freebie - 50 Side Hustles To Make $500 This Month  50 Side Hustle Ideas 

Season 3 -The Women & Money Series     In this episode Kaileen Elise and I chat about the flow of money in life and business.   How money has flowed to us in unexpected ways, and our tips to not always be grinding it out in business and still get clients.     Kaileen Elise is an intuition coach and podcast host here to help you listen to your intuition, trust your inner wisdom, and take inspired action. She believes working with a coach should feel good because life is stressful enough already. Kaileen helps her clients grow in alignment and expand with ease. On her podcast, Celebrate Cultivate, she shares deep breaths and ideas for appreciating the magic in everyday life. Kaileen lives in Austin, Texas with her husband and their two young children, with baby #3 on the way!    Connect with Kaileen on Instagram @kaileenelise and visit kaileenelise.com for more.   Connect with Christy on Instagram for Business & Money Tips @ambitioussoul.co   Prefer Business & Money Tip in your inbox?  Click here for the Soul Squad newsletter    Want help making selling your product online?  Check out my self paced course Content that Converts 

In this week's episode, Intuition Coach Kaileen Elise answers the question 'Is it intuition or is it my ego?'In this day and age, when we often numb out through social media or wine, it can be hard to hear and listen to intuition. Kaileen talks about some of the other big blocks to intuition, how to decipher it from ego and fear, the tools we can use to connect with our intuition and how to take aligned action based on our intuition.Kaileen Elise is an intuition coach and podcast host here to help you listen to your intuition, trust your inner wisdom, and take inspired action. She believes working with a coach should feel good because life is stressful enough already. Kaileen helps her clients grow in alignment and expand with ease. On her podcast, Celebrate Cultivate, she shares deep breaths and ideas for appreciating the magic in everyday life. Kaileen lives in Austin, Texas with her husband and their two young children, with baby #3 on the way! Work with her by visiting her website kaileenelise.com.  That's also where you can also get her free four-week course, Magnetize which she mentions in this episode.Connect with Kaileen on Instagram @kaileeneliseListen to her podcasts Celebrate Cultivate and That's Pretty WooConnect with Leslie on Instagram @lesliedraffinConnect with the podcast @thelightwithinpodcastEmail us if you have questions or you know someone who'd make a great guest on this show: thelightwithinpodcast@gmail.comThe best way to support this podcast is by leaving a review & rating, downloading episodes & sharing them with someone you love! 

Kaileen Elise is an intuition coach and podcast host here to help you listen to your intuition, trust your inner wisdom, and take inspired action. She believes working with a coach should feel good because life is stressful enough already. Kaileen helps her clients grow in alignment and expand with ease. On her podcast, Celebrate Cultivate, she shares deep breaths and ideas for appreciating the magic in everyday life. Kaileen lives in Austin, Texas with her husband and their two young children, with baby #3 on the way! Kaileen's son's birth story: https://theeverymom.com/birth-story-my-son-was-born-28-minutes-after-we-got-to-the-hospital/ Grab Kaileen's free email course - Magnetize Your Manifestations: https://www.kaileenelise.com/magnetize Listen to her on her own podcast, Celebrate Cultivate Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/celebrate-cultivate/id1508781321 FACEBOOK COMMUNITY: https://www.facebook.com/groups/473741970015852/  30 DAYS OF INSTAGRAM POSTS: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/5dd40ba358edc10026bf93b7 BOOK A CALL WITH CASEY: https://hello.dubsado.com/public/appointment-scheduler/5fc65cd694d42655c5fcafd3/schedule

Kaileen and I have always been big fans of The Secret and played around with different manifestation techniques through out our lives.  In this episode, we each share our practices around how to manifest money into your life, stories of when we each have brought money in effortlessly without “working” for it.     Connect with Kaileen:   www.kaileenelise.com    Ways to Connect with Me:   Instagram: @ambitioussoul.co    Website: www.ambitioussoul.co    Get on the Soul Squad Newsletter List & Get Social Media tips to your inbox.   www.ambitioussoul.co/soul-squad       

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In this episode, I chat with my long time friend Kaileen Sues who recently became an inner voice facilitator and intuition coach.  We go over what is the inner voice?  How to access it and why it’s important to have a connection to your inner voice.     Kaileen is offering a free inner voice for business session for anyone that enrolls in my 6 week social media mentorship program the 2021 Align Business Reset.    Biz Reset -  https://www.ambitioussoul.co/coaching    More About Kaileen - https://www.kaileenelise.com/  

Show NotesJonathan and Angela asked for questions and listeners submitted all sorts of questions ranging from leadership, entrepreneurship, podcasting, and life. The questions were tough, amazing and required some digging deep to answer; along with many laughs.Find Us OnlineAngela Hapke - @angelahapke - https://www.clinnect.caJonathan Bowers - @thejonotron - https://www.twostoryrobot.comCreditsProduced by Jonathan Bowers and Angela HapkeMusic by Andrew Codeman (CC BY 3.0)TranscriptJonathan: [00:00:00] I think your renos have created a slight echo.Angela: [00:00:02] Are youJonathan: [00:00:03] it's just, it's just slight. It's fine. We'll leave it in. Cause I, I don't want to deal with it right now.Angela: [00:00:08] We could put like a blanket over my head or something?Jonathan: [00:00:11] that's how podcasters do it.They go in closets because of all the clothing and then crawl under a blanket. I'm not doing that because I'm not bringing this whole desk into a closet.Angela: [00:00:21] maybe I need like, a blanket tent to go over top of me.Intro [00:00:26]  You are listening to Fixing Faxes, a podcast on the journey of building a digital health startup with your hosts, myself, Angela Hapke, and...Jonathan: [00:00:36] I'm Jonathan Bowers and this is our Q and A show. We've got questions from listeners and we're going to answer them. I'm very excited. Yeah. I'm a little disappointed that no one asked, like really obscure, odd, weird questions about. You know about things that are unrelated to podcasting or startups.Cause we've, we, you know, we're, we're deeper people than just this,Angela: [00:01:01] barely. Yes, no, no, we are. Yeah.Jonathan: [00:01:05] Uh,Angela: [00:01:06] I there's so many, I mean, these questions are wonderful and they're beautiful and they're going to get into some, some interesting, things here, but, yeah, there's no like wild or wacky questions for us. So,Jonathan: [00:01:18] and I apologize that my first response to getting questions was to criticize the quality that criticized the criticize, the questions I just realized that I'm kind of a poopoo.Angela: [00:01:28] you did you poo-pooed on them? I, yes. Thank you. Let's do it.Kaileen, on leadership [00:01:34] let's start with Kaileen because Kaileen jumped on this and I'm so proud of her for like, Jumping on it and putting it out there. So let's start with her. Yay. Yay. Kaileen and, let's jump into the leadership questions that she had. Okay.So she asked a few questions around leadership and she said that she'd love to hear both of us answer these questions. And the first one was what is a piece of leadership advice you think everyone should know? I know? Right? Just likeJonathan: [00:02:11] JustAngela: [00:02:11] head first, right into the deep end. Yes.Jonathan: [00:02:14] Ah, I don't know.Angela: [00:02:18] Kaileen authenticity.Um, we can, we can read all the leadership books that we want to, and we can, try and emulate all these wonderful, amazing examples of people out there. But at the end of the day, being authentically yourself is what I would just tell anybody. If you found yourself in a place where you're in a leadership position in your life, you're, you're doing what we do.We probably done something, right. So I would say authenticity.Jonathan: [00:02:47] I think there's a temptation to put on a facade, which does have, which does have its place. Uh, there is a, there's a place for that, but I think generally, yeah, being authentic, Yeah. And just being open, honest and maybe a little bit more vulnerableAngela: [00:03:03] Yes, please, please. We need more leadership with vulnerability, please. Can we do that? Yes. Okay. Her second question is what is a common myth about leadership you think we all need to let go of? You go first on this one.Jonathan: [00:03:20] Uh, Oh my goodness. So I haven't prepared for any, I haven't read any of these questions. I just copied and pasted these in, I haven't had time to think about them. a common myth. I don't know what, Ooh. I don't know.Angela: [00:03:33] Do you want me to go?Jonathan: [00:03:34] Yeah, I'm struggling. I'm struggling to answer these because I don't, I don't know. Maybe cause I don't read enough books, uh, to know like what are some of theAngela: [00:03:43] I just don't read enough books, period. Um,I think a common myth about leadership, but it's also not just about leadership. I think it's about, especially as startup, culture in general is this hustle culture that we have created. And we think being busy is the ultimate, Showcase of success.It's not at all. It's I think it's quite the opposite. Actually. I think having a lot of room and flexibility in your day, it makes, makes you a much better leader than burning yourself out.Jonathan: [00:04:23] Yeah, I'm I'm, I'm not gonna offer anything different than that. I'll just, I'll just agree with that. Like, I think that's totally true. even, uh, like Justin, Justin Jackson, he asked a question, we'll get to that, but he shared his calendarAngela: [00:04:36] I saw that.Jonathan: [00:04:37] a blank canvas with like two meetings in it.And I think part of that is because his business partner is away on holidays, but, um, regardless, he's still like, he's still, you know, that's, that's, his goal is to maintain that. And I, I, you know, I really like that. I look at my calendar right now and it is, it has very few holes in itAngela: [00:04:55] Oh, no.Jonathan: [00:04:56] stressful.but that's, I mean, that's just a personal thing. Like, like, I don't know that that's,Angela: [00:05:02] But isn't that what leadership is like? I mean, leadership is so personal, right? Yeah.Jonathan: [00:05:07] Yep. So yeah, I would agree. don't hustle so hard.Angela: [00:05:09] Don't. Slow down. Take a breath free up your calendar.Jonathan: [00:05:14] this idea that Kaileen and I are kind of batting around a little bit around, taking some of the lessons we learned from endurance training and applying it to, to work in life and things like that. And we we've all, we always say like this isn't a sprint. It's more like a marathon.And I think putting in the measures and practices that allow you to sustain a pace over the long-term is, I think what will get you there? Not, not sprinting. Cause you can't, you just can't, you can't sprint in this. You're just going to burn out.Angela: [00:05:45] no, I totally agree. Okay. Like that. Okay. Jonathan, what is your best leadership qualities?Jonathan: [00:05:54] I don't know.Angela: [00:05:56] Just made an awful.Jonathan: [00:05:58] I don't know. I don't know how to answer these questions. Like I really don't causeAngela: [00:06:02] think you need to have a little, like sit down with yourself.Jonathan: [00:06:06] I, I mean, so I think, I think I'm fairly authentic. I, um, I try to lead from the heart sometimes. That's, uh, that puts me in a, I'd make, not as great business decisions doing that occasionally. Um, but yeah, I think, I think I try to lead from, I try to, I don't always, I don't always succeed at that, but I think it's, I tried to lead from the heart.What is your best leadership quality?Angela: [00:06:34] Oh, I made the same noise. I know. Let's see. I, I don't know. I think. Oh, gosh, we should have had her team answer this for us too. Like a 360 review. I know what's my best leadership quality. I'm, I'm not sure. I think, you know, when I did mention authenticity at the beginning, I think that is a piece of it.I try and be actually pretty vulnerable leader. I let my team know. Maybe when I made some bad decisions so we all can learn from it rather than being, Oh, just trying to like you talk about facades. Oh my goodness. Like, I couldn't, that would just be too exhausting. So maybe that's my best leadership quality.I'm not really sure. Kaileen thank you for asking, but I okay.Jonathan: [00:07:19] Humility, maybe that's it.There's nothing. Nothing. You say nothing. So it's humility.Angela: [00:07:29] Yeah. Yeah, no. I did my, my, any Enneagram, have you heard about this?Jonathan: [00:07:35] Is this another, is thisAngela: [00:07:36] It's like a, basically a personality test is what this is. It's like very Myers, Briggs, ask. But, I'm, I'm an throw it out there. I'm an eight. And, um, I am very sure that, humility isn't top of like the best leadership quality of an eight we're we're very like anyway, anybody who knows what the Enneagrams are probably giggling right now.Yep.Jonathan: [00:08:00] I don't know anything about that.Angela: [00:08:01] Okay. What is a leadership lesson that you keep having to relearn or remind yourself of?Jonathan: [00:08:08] this one's easier for me to answer. Um, well, it isn't, it isn't, it isn't because, if I keep having to relearn it, I'm probably not, it's probably not sticking. but the one, I think that just because it happened again was, to just give people more freedom than, than you might be willing to. Cause they're there they'll surprise you.Angela: [00:08:31] Yes. That's that's a beautiful one.I'm going to jump on board with that one too. I do have to relearn that one a lot. Sadly. That's embarrassing toJonathan: [00:08:40] It's hard. It's hard because when you start from, like, when you start from one, right. When it's just, you, you're so used to doingAngela: [00:08:47] everything. Yes.Jonathan: [00:08:49] a way that you think that it needs to be done. And the way that it's always been done. And you just gotta remember to like, let go of that.Angela: [00:08:56] Oh my goodness. Yes. Yes, yes, yes.Hope, on podcast metrics [00:09:00] Jonathan: [00:09:00] from Hope, I don't know who Hope has, whose Hope? We know,we both know killing. Oh, hope. Yeah. Oh, sweet.Angela: [00:09:05] Hope just started a new marketing company. and it is called  Hello Unicorn Marketing. Yay. Hope I'm super proud of you for starting your own business.Jonathan: [00:09:19] that's awesome. I didn't know she had done that. Good for you. Hope. so her question is I'd love to know how much reach your podcast episodes are getting, how much you measure this, any best practices on launching podcasts for the global market. I'm, I don't really want to share the podcast numbers they're not that impressive.Angela: [00:09:42] Hope, uh, reach. We have had listeners all over the world, like, Oh, all different parts of the world. So that's pretty cool. how are we measuring this? Well, maybe Jonathan, tell them how we use Transistor.Jonathan: [00:09:57] yeah, Transistor, the  podcast hosting platform that we used has has analytics. they measure the listens to each episode. there's I think some problems in, accuracy in measuring. Podcasts downloads because like, you never know if someone asks you to listen to it, they may have just downloaded it.so it, it works really well. there's some somethings that I wish were a little bit more specific, because, so we can, I can see when somebody, when somebody binges the entire, the entire show, because there's a huge spike. Yeah. There's a big spike. And that, like, I think is a bit of a hint as to how low our numbers are, because thatstands out. so it's yeah. Tips on tips on launching a podcast for the global market. I don't know, like we we've, we've just new at this and we haven't, we haven't really managed to have the podcast grow a whole lot. it is picking up more listens though. Like people are, are discovering it and listening to it more, but it's not at a pace that is impressive.Angela: [00:10:57] It's a little bit like Clinnect not at a pace. That'sJonathan: [00:11:00] yeah.Angela: [00:11:01] yet.Jonathan: [00:11:03] Are podcasts like the startup we're starting is just sort of,Angela: [00:11:06] Trudging alogn. Keep on going.Jonathan: [00:11:08] My tip is, to not get too stuck on the details  of the, like the mechanics and the format and all of that. Just start recording something and get comfortable with.Talkingand just, even if you throw some of those away, just record. Cause that's what we did. We recorded one,Angela: [00:11:27] One or two, I think, and then we trashed them. They wereJonathan: [00:11:31] them. One B we actually made a recording mistakes. So that's helpful to do a practice that we made a recording mistake. and then the second one, just,Angela: [00:11:39] Was bad.my husband said to me last night, what we're doing with this podcast is like flexing a muscle and, and it's absolutely, it's absolutely true. not only do you have like the podcasting muscle being flexed, but it has run into so many other parts of my life. I used to get really nervous standing up and presenting or talking in front of P peopole people.And I was like that.now even just doing this has helped a ton with meetings and. Talking about being able to articulate how I'm feeling, what I'm thinking, formulate my words around my thoughts and things like that.So I highly recommend exactly what Jonathan just said is just start recording. Just start trying if it's all junk at first, who cares? Keep going.Jonathan: [00:12:43] yeah, I've, I've found myself, Leaning on, I mean, part, partly just the equipment to set up. So it's really easy, but, when I need to communicate something asynchronously to the team that doesn't make sense to write, I'm just, it's so easy to just hop onto, hop onto a screen record and do that now. And that, that has been really helpful.Just like practically as a, as a, like you said, like a muscle that I can, that's been worked out. I'm like, yeah, I know how to do this. And the same way that, like, I can just go for a run, like I know how to do that.Angela: [00:13:10] I wish I could just say that. Okay. Um, I'll get there. Justin, on B2B vs B2C [00:13:16] Okay, Justin Jackson. So we mentioned Transistor already. Justin Jackson is one of the co-founders of a Transistor that we do use. And Justin decided to ask a pretty tough question here. Why did you decide to go B2B instead of going a direct to consumer health startup? I think we need to define what B2B is just for anybody listening that may not know what that is.Jonathan: [00:13:41] Bananas to Bango. Oh no.Angela: [00:13:43] But, um, it's, it feels like that sometimes, B2B business to business, um, it's a, it's a business, a business, product. So Clinnect is not direct to consumer, so meaning direct to a patient. but rather it is doctor to doctor. So B2B. so why did we do this? Who you want the long answer, the short Justin.Jonathan: [00:14:11] I'm sure he wants the long answer,Angela: [00:14:13] know we don't have time for the long answer and, butJonathan: [00:14:17] Listen to the whole podcast, continue listening. He listens, he listens to most of the podcasts that start up on his, on his platform. which is awesome. But I think at some point he's like, okay,I'm done listening now.Angela: [00:14:27] everything he'd just spent his whole 24 hours of his day listening to podcasts. the way the Clinnect started was it had started out of a, out of a, actually a government project and it was very much focused on a doctor to doctor referrals. And so that's it organically came as a B2B.I think though. What, and I'm just going to infer here. What Justin is asking is, is it sometimes maybe easier to do a direct to consumer health startup? And my answer to that would be hell yes. It is much easier to do a direct to consumer start up. I think when you're in the, doctor to doctor, sphere and you are not linked to the government, it can be, it can be a bit lonely out in those seas sometimes.And it's hard to do. and your, your accessible market is so much smaller than if you're just going to do a direct to consumer.Jonathan: [00:15:28] I would, I kind of want to push back on that a bit, because I feel like a direct to consumer, would be very hard because accessing that market would be very, very expensive.And, Like our problem doesn't really affect consumers in a way that they would want to pay for it.so the market doesn't even like the market isn't really there for what we're trying to do, but even if we were to be, you know, selling something that was more, applicable to a consumer, they're just hard to get. Like there it's expensive to market, to consumers and as a, maybe as a bootstrapped company, that would just not be possible.Angela: [00:16:03] I dunno. I feel like this is a much longer conversation.Jonathan: [00:16:08] Sweet. Well, let's turn that into a whole episode. Maybe we'll invite to ask to not Justin, come on to our, come on to our showAngela: [00:16:15] Andask us the tough questions. Okay. IJonathan: [00:16:17] Or actually just share some of the knowledge because I mean, he talks a lot about, uh, about markets and, you know, catching, catching the wave.Right. You know, and I think, I think what, what we've, what you've done is you've identified a problem that people are already paying for it. Right? Like fax machines exists. People are sending referrals are actually paying money to do this, putting energy into it. It's expensive and it's a pain in the butt.and so you're trying to. take advantage of some other things that are happening, to try and turn this into a, into a product that people would pay for it because they're used to paying for something like this.Angela: [00:16:48] Yeah, I think I'm just a bit of exhausted of trying to convince doctors that pay for all of this stuff anyway, to, to do it in a much better, easier way. And it can be exhausting. So I think that's probably why I was like direct to consumers ways or just if you have, I mean, it all depends on the idea.Like you say our product, our idea doesn't translate to a consumer product. At all it is a B2B. and that's why we went this route with it, obviously. but yeah, there's a, there's a, I think if you were to look at like healthcare startups as just a big blanket term, I don't know if there can be, there is a lot of arguments to be made to going to direct to consumer, but, well, we can talk about that another time we can deep dive into, Lindsey, on design [00:17:38] Lindsey.This is for you.What is yep. Specifically for Jonathan? What has the most valuable lesson in design that you've learned? Or what has, what has been the most valuable design lesson in design that you've learned and whyJonathan: [00:17:56] I, so I, I did think about this one a little bit, cause I wasn't sure. I think for me the most important or the most valuable lesson, is. I want to say empathy, but like that doesn't quite get at it. Like it's, it's empathizing with the user, but to the point where you deeply understand their problem.And I think what a lot of people think design is about is, making things look nice and it isn't, it's more, it's more around, what is the problem that needs to be solved and what's the best way to solve it. And part of that is also like balancing practicality with, timelines and the needs of businesses and, trying to get product out the door.but it, to me, it's, it's ultimately like empathizing with, with who you're designing for who the customer is, what problem do they have and what sucks about their experience, trying to overcome that problem or that, that struggle and. And just always sort of rooting yourself in, in that frame of mind rather than, you know, I'll just put some buttons and they can click on the buttons.That's not really what design is. It's more, you know, just, just thinking through and talking with people that are suffering from these, from these problems.Angela: [00:19:11] That's a really great answer. I loved that.Prior to working with you guys. I thought design was making it pretty.Jonathan: [00:19:21] Oh, Oh,Angela: [00:19:22] I had no idea I've learned so, so much with working with Two Story Robot and their designers. And, and now we have a designer on staff at CRS and, Design is so much more, so much deeper rooted in, like experiences and feelings.And then I ever gave it credit for.SoJonathan: [00:19:49] thank you. I'm glad to hearAngela: [00:19:51] that's it's yeah, that's such a cool one. Andrea, on job offers [00:19:53]so my, my friend, Andrea sent this one in Andrea Phillips. How do you decide you should stay the course as an entrepreneur or accept one of the many offers to join a team? Yep. That was exactly, exactly my response to that one.And I will tell you. So I've been, I've been working on Clinnect to and Central Referral Solutions for, three years almost full-time now. And, there has been offers that have come at me that have been. Very tempting. And it has been incredibly, incredibly difficult to navigate whether you stay the course as an entrepreneur or accept one of those offers, to join the team. At the end of the day.And I can just speak from my own experience on this cause. That's all I got is I am so glad up until now that I have stayed the course as an entrepreneur, it has given, it has allowed me to grow in a way I never would grow in a big corporate, or big organizational environment. it has also given my family the flexibility of my time that has been.Incredible cause I have a six-year-old and a three-year-old. Now, if you were to ask like my bank account, whether this was a good decision, that's another question mark, but it's, it's so much more than that. I have learned so much in the last three years that I wouldn't give up a day of that for, for an eight hour a day in a, in an office, in a big organization,I think.Jonathan: [00:21:43] What would you do with the money anyway?Angela: [00:21:45] What would I do with them? I do want my list. I know it's I think it's a super individual question. and, and the push pull is real, though. It is real every time an offer like that comes through the door, man, I think hard.Jonathan: [00:22:04] I don't get offers and I honestly, I'm not entirely sure why, like myteam gets regularly recruited. people are like trying to recruit my team and I don't get any of that. And it's, I mean, I used to think, Oh, it's because like it's because my profile is like not accepting jobs and, um, also listed as a founder.Um, and so maybe you're like, ah, he's on recruitable, but, um, now I'm wondering like, Oh, Maybe no one wants me.Angela: [00:22:31] I, no, I don't think that's it. I often get an offer with, so how is and see in CRS going? Yeah, like they're, they're very concerned that, and they're kind of like appealing to that side of me that is maybe, um, not like not in the, like the successful, amazing bucket yet. So they're like how much you come, come do this for while, but maybe because you're so successful, Jonathan, you'reJonathan: [00:23:04] No.Yeah. I, I, so I, I will caveat that with, I measure success in a very different way and it is not, monetary.Angela: [00:23:14] Clearly I do do.Jonathan: [00:23:16] Yeah. So I'm not rolling. I'm not rolling in dough. I mean like comfortable, like I'm not, we're not worried. Right. We were talking about, earlier about, just like the privilege of, if, both of us need to take lots of time off to deal with COVID orwhatever's going on,we're fine.Like we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna not be able to eat and I'll be able to pay rent. but like, it's not like I can go and buy a mansion and buy a new car whenever I want also kind of frugal. so. Yeah. I mean, kind of, I like to, I spend money on my dumb, a dumb desk, but, um,Angela: [00:23:54] I like it. Andrea, thank you for that question. That it's an amazing question. It did hit, it did hit home for me pretty hard there. So thank you forJonathan: [00:24:02] Yeah, that's awesome.thanks, Andrea. all the questions we're going to do for today, but we've gotAngela: [00:24:08] Well, we gotJonathan: [00:24:08] to do more questions on the next episode. Outro [00:24:11] So thanks for listening to fixing faxes, building a digital health startup I'm Jonathan Bowers. And my co-host  is Angela Hapke. Our music is by Andrew Codeman.Follow us on Twitter @FixingFaxes. Yeah. And we'd love for you to give us a review on Apple podcasts and share it with a friend and tell some folks. thanks for listening.Angela: [00:24:28] I'm reading through her questions and they're hilarious. I have so many podcast ideas period. She saidJonathan: [00:24:37] That's a great question.

Show NotesBuilding a team while building a product can be a wild ride. Angela doubles her team in the last couple months, she discusses how that feels at a time that the product is being built out. Jonathan gets into how and why he has added to his company, and the outcomes of different hires.Jonathan talks about taking his son trail running in a stroller, the Thule Chariot Sport.Find Us OnlineAngela Hapke - @angelahapke - https://www.clinnect.caJonathan Bowers - @thejonotron - https://www.twostoryrobot.comCreditsProduced by Jonathan Bowers and Angela HapkeMusic by Andrew Codeman (CC BY 3.0)TranscriptAngela: [00:00:00] september is a very, very, very hardJonathan: [00:00:02] Yeah.Angela: [00:00:04] in many different ways. Oh, my God, are we both burping? This is going to be amazing podcast.Introduction [00:00:11]You're listening to Fixing Faxes a podcast on the journey of building a digital health startup with your hosts, myself, Angela Hapke.Jonathan: [00:00:22] And I'm Jonathan Bowers and I took Zack for a trail run for the first time this weekend.Angela: [00:00:27] Wait in a stroller or was he running?Jonathan: [00:00:33] he, he could run actually, cause we go on our walk. Uh, he's pretty fast.Angela: [00:00:41] fast for his age.Jonathan: [00:00:42] yeah. I mean, it's a walk at my pace,Angela: [00:00:44] Ah, so you went trail running with Zach in a stroller. What kind of stroller do you have that you can take trail running?Jonathan: [00:00:53] Well, let me tell you about the stroller I have. It's a, uh, it's a Thule Chariot Sport. it's spectacular. It's a little wide to be taking down trail, but it was fun.Angela: [00:01:07] Does it have suspension in itJonathan: [00:01:09] Yeah,Angela: [00:01:09] Zack? Yeah,Jonathan: [00:01:10] it has, it has not full system essential, but it's got suspension on the back and then, disc brakes, which is really nice.Angela: [00:01:18] Did he like it?Jonathan: [00:01:19] He, he really enjoys being in the, in the chariot. It's like, yeah, he loves it. We go for runs, weekly, at least. But I was getting sick of the same kind of getting bored of the same route and decided that trail running is something that I should start doing to mix it up a littleAngela: [00:01:36] Okay. Yeah.Jonathan: [00:01:37] boy, is it hard pushing a stroller with a child up a pretty steep hill?Angela: [00:01:43] Do you do much trail running anyway?Jonathan: [00:01:45] Nope, I do one or two trail runs a year.Angela: [00:01:48] Oh, see, we're like, not only am I going to try trail running, I'm going to try trail running with a stroller and my child,Jonathan: [00:01:55] Yeah. Yeah.Angela: [00:01:57] I love it. Well, good for you. That's amazing. Are you training at all for? I know there's no races right now, butJonathan: [00:02:07] Ironman Canada has, sent off their email saying that Ironman Canada, 2021 is a go as best they know. So they canceled 2020, and we got a deferral to the next year. So I've signed up cause it's the. Who knows. So I'm be training for something that might get canceled again,Angela: [00:02:26] Oh, right. It would be frustrating. Full iron man or half. Oh, good for you. That's exciting. Where is it?Jonathan: [00:02:37] Penticton BC?Angela: [00:02:40] Okay, we'll get updates on that as you go.Jonathan: [00:02:44] Yes. That is going to be a new focus of my life again.Angela: [00:02:48] Oh, God, we're going to have to talk about all those things, all the things I don't do, running biking or swimming. Okay. It'll be great.Ah, okay. Let's jump in.Growing a Team [00:03:02]so I, well, can we get Kristy on, but we'll get her on next week. And so then I didn't really have a topic. So then I asked my husband, I said, since he's an avid.Jonathan: [00:03:17] Listener.Angela: [00:03:19] Of Fixing Faxes. Is there something that you wanted to like, is there a topic we haven't hit on that's obvious or blah, blah, blah.And he said, he goes, you know, I think you should start, start talking about building your team, like how you've built a team and things like that. And I was like, Ooh, that might be a good one. So. I was thinking today, it might be kind of fun to talk about. the way that Two Story Robot has built their team and the way that we've built our team, while we've built a product at the same time and how that all kind of goes. And in the spirit of Fixing Faxes, we're going to talk about things as they happen. So as we build our team, we talk about that.Jonathan: [00:04:02] not about the, not about the job application process that requires people to submit faxed resumes to you.Angela: [00:04:11] Could you imagine if I asked for faxed resumes? Oh my God. It's should just shut up shop now if that was the case. yeah, no, no. I was thinking no in the spirit of talking about things as they happen instead ofJonathan: [00:04:25] Yeah. So you've, you've just hired a couple of folks.Angela: [00:04:32] we have just added a full time visual designer and we added a part time intern,Jonathan: [00:04:41] We've talked about one of these people in the past.Angela: [00:04:45] You talked about, Megan as the intern in the past, but I don't think we've talked about, Ammara is, now our new visual designer and she's working remotely out of Mississauga, Ontario. So not only did I add a new person, but I also added a fully remote, different time zone person. Uh, So before it's Jackie and myself, are the full, are the full time people on Central Referral Solutions.Doubling from two to four [00:05:16]And then we have Rosemary. Now Rosemary kind of sometimes gets forgotten about, cause she doesn't work on Clinnect, the product she works, for the general surgeons in town. And I always call her my, my research and development department, um, and she's and she's part time. So we kind of like. Almost, I feel like almost doubled our team with the addition of, of, two, two people to, to only three.Jonathan: [00:05:40] That's a big, that's a big jump.Angela: [00:05:42] Yeah. Can we talk about that?Jonathan: [00:05:44] Well, I mean, it's, it's when it's two, it's you and Jackie like back and forth, andAngela: [00:05:49] re and Rosemary has always been like this fully functioning, amazing person that like just does her thing. She knows exactly what she's doing. We do some check-ins and she is like, she is. Awesome runs her own show. So now I've added two people that rely on me to give direction a lot. And rightfully so, like this is the new product that they're working.They're both Clinnect focused. Oh. And that has been so Jackie and I just got kind of back to working in an office and now we're adding people and, I'm going to be honest, like September, as we were just talking about before the, the, the podcast started September is hard enough. And then I added two new people and I think they're both incredible, amazing people.Thank goodness. But I don't know what the heck I was thinking. Adding two new people in September. Holy moly. I started the same darn day. Like, like, yeah, because I did that to myself, like a total Dodo brain.Jonathan: [00:07:03] that does seem like something you should have controlled for.Angela: [00:07:05] I, yeah, I had full control over it and I just, I, I, I, through many circumstances it just ended up, they both started the same day and it finally got to the point where I'm like, you know what, if I'm going to start one, I'm going to start them both that day.And I just going to take the, like, just the stress will hit that day and I'll deal with both of it. I don't know. So. I don't even know how we wanted to talk about this. I feel like now I'm exhausted.Jonathan: [00:07:36] drained yourself describing it. so the, this person Ammara from, uh, Ontario that's three hours difference.Angela: [00:07:44] It's three hours difference. She is very experienced with it working with remote teams and different time zones. And it's part of the reason that, I would, uh, I hired her in particular is because, she just gets that kind of work and understands that kind of work and understands the tools that are needed for that kind of work.So, and she's, Totally a self starter. She gets what she wants. Like she knows what she needs to get done and she just works on it and does touch bases with me. She's awesome. She, it's almost a little bit more like a contractor than a, than an employee. She, she has that sense, um, about her, which works really, really well with this position.And then Megan is a totally like, not opposite, but she's an intern in university. There to learn. So she is very, you know, sitting with me a lot, asking a ton of, of questions, really great questions. This young woman is brilliant. and ask like really like the really good questions. Oh yeah. but it's.That mentoring piece is taking a lot of my time at a time that we are building this product. We're building out these incredible features to like, like, I don't know if we wanted to talk about that at all, but the features that Clinnect has right now, I finally feel like this is so exciting. The features are just so cool.And, um, so that's all happening. We have more interest and then this intern comes on and it's like, Holy Crow. It was what, and we don't even have our own office right now. Still we have, we are still sharing an office with, two of the generalsurgeons in town.Jonathan: [00:09:29] That counts. I mean, howAngela: [00:09:31] Oh, no, it does. well, I feel like we're quite crowded right nowJonathan: [00:09:35] Well, I mean, if you double, you know, you double again, you got to hire eight people or four people grow to eight and thenAngela: [00:09:41] So how did, okay, so how did you do this?Jonathan: [00:09:44] Well, I don't, I typically don't hire people on the same day.Angela: [00:09:49] Where were you? Two weeks ago?Jonathan: [00:09:51] I don't know. I mean, it's, that's, that's kind of a question I was going to ask you, like you said, you did this to yourself in a way by hiring in September. Was it a case of need or was it a case of opportunistically hiring.Angela: [00:10:04] bit of both. Megan had to start in September because she's on a grant that is a intern grant for full time students. So it was semester based. Had to start in September. So that made a lot of sense. Ammara is also another grant, uh, the digital skills for youth grant and that one I could have started her earlier.but as a full time designer, I don't know, would we have needed a full time designer? We wouldn't have needed a full time designer in June, but I feel like now weJonathan: [00:10:42] in June? Yeah, probably not inAngela: [00:10:43] Exactly. some, yeah. Could I probably have got her on in August and got her a little bit more or up to speed before I slammed her with work?Yeah, probablyJonathan: [00:10:53] So that was, but that was more of a reaction to the needAngela: [00:10:57] that was a reaction to the need.Jonathan: [00:10:58] than an anticipation of upcoming need.Angela: [00:11:00] Yeah, because as we we've been talking about in our weekly meetings, clinic is getting very feature full right now. And with that, a redesign is going to become necessary. just because of all the features that we're adding plus, um, the payment system is needing to be added early next year, which involves a design. And then quite quickly after that, as soon as we have all those, the design pipeline is going to gonna need to be focused on a premium product. And so that's just that screamed, to us that at this was a full time job. So.Jonathan: [00:11:37] there is a lot of design tasks to do and a lot of design uncertainty, and it's, it's the one, the one place that we can't scale up very well in at the moment.Um, cause we. It's just Lindsay and I do a little bit, but I'm stretched so thin. I can't, I can't actually do any design.I don't want to be a bottleneck to that. So I think, I think that made a lot of sense.Angela: [00:11:58] I think so, too. But like, even just that decision, like even that decision around that, like it was honestly, we knew we needed a designer soon. Well, actually, I'm I'm this is almost retrospective. I know we need a designer now in July. Did Angela know we need a full time designer? I had an inkling, but I wasn't even sure.So it's only been two months where that solidified in my head. and then we were like, the biggest reason we were able to hire is because of the grant that we got and which we've done talked about in previous episodes is the only reason that sometimes startups like ourselves are able to actually continue to push forward.so yeah, so I think now, I probably, I maybe waited a few weeks too long too, hire this designer, but now I'm absolutely sure that I needed her. and so I guess that that was good intern was more like, it'd be really nice to have an extra pair of hands around to help out with a few things. And the intern in particular that we, that we chose, Megan has an excellent socially as young as she is a social connection to a lot of the physicians in town, which is a lot of the work that she's going to be doing too, is going around to, and talking to, offices and just getting the awareness of Clinnect up. So that just once again, fit made a really, uh, just made the decision a whole lot easierHiring within the network [00:13:27] When you started Two Story Robot.Jonathan: [00:13:30] Yes.Angela: [00:13:30] Was it just you or did you have another person?Jonathan: [00:13:34] as our story is quite long, we don't need to get into the like nitty gritty details. Cause it's not super relevant. The original story, like the original origins of it. But w we, we changed our name. We, we were a product company before, yeah, it was just me. I had hired a student.Was he a student? He was a student at the time, but I don't think he was doing co-op with me. He just would show up to all the events and with like ask interesting questions, and just, he was just there. So, we happen to have a, share a connection in the past that we didn't, we didn't realize, which, you know, led to, you know, just discussing and, yeah, I hired him.Uh, he later went on to work at Netflix. He's a pretty smart guy. and then, uh, and then it was kind of, kind of just me for awhile. Uh, and I had hired Chris, and him and I were just sort of working on working on things. And then, we actually, we've been reflecting on our hiring process a little bit, recently as part of our assessment of our values and, and how well, how well we're sort of living up to those values and just kind of looking at our hiring process through that lens, which has been really interesting.And one of the things that we realized is only one only one person has come through in a more tradition hiring mechanism. Paige. She's the only one who was hired from a job adAngela: [00:14:57] Like there was an ad, there was an application and there was an interview. And then an offer like the traditionalJonathan: [00:15:04] Yeah. Traditional every pretty much everyone else was identified, in the community.Angela: [00:15:11] Amara is our first traditional hire.Jonathan: [00:15:14] Yeah.Angela: [00:15:15] Everyone else has been yeah. Identified through the community, identified through somebody I know.Jonathan: [00:15:22] It'sAngela: [00:15:23] And fit is so important there.Jonathan: [00:15:26] That's I mean, that's what, fit is one of the top, top things that we hire for like, are they a good fit with us culturally?we don't even really care so much if they have the exact skills cause we can, we can teach them that, especially, especially in development where we know we can teach someone how to become a good software developer in the ways that we need them to be a good software developer. We're we're very good at that.We, we, we can do that till the cows come home.so. Finding someone that feels like they, they are motivated to learn. Really interested in the, you know, the type of work and that, the way we work with clients, uh that's that's the key part is, and just being a good fit on the team. Right. Do we, we don't want to work with people we don't like working with.Angela: [00:16:15] Do you take people on your team and match them to client contracts based on skill or based on the fit with the client or a bit of like a bit of a magic of both.Jonathan: [00:16:27] Um, it's kind of just all over the map. Like we, we don't have a whole, we don't have a huge team. There's there's 11 of us, total. So it kind of, it kind of depends on who's available really, but, but we do, we do match a little bit on skill. I mean, some, some projects need specific skills. Um, everyone has the capability of doing what everyone else does for the most part. We're pretty mobile in that sense.Um, but, but sometimes, and often the case, we have something, you know, some experience that is kind of unique. So like for example, um, the Avalanche Canada work that we've done, uh Kaileen is a back country, skier, avalanche certified, um, really excited to be able to work on the other side ofAngela: [00:17:10] Right. Like she was, she was probably like, I want to work on thatJonathan: [00:17:14] Yeah. Yeah. And, and it was, it just made, it made the most sense. Um, and so she's, she's kind of taken that project on. Um, and then we've got, you know, some other, some other things that lean on some of the other non, you know, not like life experiences that people have. So we've got some other projects that people haveleaned on. Um, so we try, if we, can, we try to do that. we do try to pick projects that that have some other benefit to them other than just like another project to work on.Right? Like it's notAngela: [00:17:40] Justanother product to,Jonathan: [00:17:43] Yeah.We want to, we want to do things that help us, um, uh, step up our knowledge, um, try to try to align with some of our interests.And so that's, you know, that's why we pick a few, uh, pick the projects that we do sometimes.Angela: [00:17:56] Cool. Now, what, what, um, at what point did you feel like getting back to the size of your team? At what point were you like? Oh boy. Okay. Now I should probably hire some more people, but it was kind of scary.Jonathan: [00:18:17] Um, I think every hire has been a little bit has been, has been. Oh, yeah. Every hire is uncertain. know. Right? Like they, you just, and, and, and it's, you know, I'm, I don't want to hire someone and then kind of bail on them because the, because we can't support that position.Um, if they're not a good fit, then they that, and we try to figure out a way to, to, uh, reverse that decision as quickly as possible.Um, and that has happened. We've we've made some poor hiring decisions. Uh, and, and that, that that's bad that's very destructiveto the culture. Um, butAngela: [00:18:59] Yeah.Jonathan: [00:19:00] so most of our hires, because they're not in, because we don't hire in a traditional sense, they tend to be, um, opportunistic hires.So we don't really have, like, there's nothing, we're not so overwhelmed with work that we absolutely need to hire. We're we anticipate there's going to be. Uh, some additional work or some additional need. We're always nurturing some relationships so that if we feel that inkling like this, this, this feels like a good fit like this, this person is an awesome fit.And we think, we think that we're in a place that this makes sense. And so then, then we do a hire, because we do it that way. It's always super stressful. Cause I'm like, I don't know if I should do this ornot like this. Yeah. This is maybe a poor business. Um, but in every case it's always, it's always worked out, uh,it always seems to unlock some new capabilities on the team where. Yeah. Where, when, when you look back at it, you're like, Oh my goodness, I, what was I thinking? Not to not do this? Like, it would just be, just be silliness to not, you know, to not hire this person. they're such a clear fit and are doing so many great things and are pushing us in these new, interesting,Angela: [00:20:13] cool. That's exactly. I mean, that's the, that's the Cinderella story of, of, of hires, right? Is that what you just described the fit and then the, not only just the fit, but the amplification for both the employee and the employer. That's so great. I love that. I mean, I experienced that, um, big time with Jackie.Um, she's been with us for a year and a half now, almost, which is so crazy to think. And, um, and the, the two new people that have just come on have only been, I mean, two a week now. Um, but already are jumping in The deep end, no problem picking up. And, um, so far so good. And I'm, I'm really excited about it, but at the same time, um, Brad said something to me this morning where I was like, Oh, that wasn't a truth bomb.This is the fun part [00:21:11]Brad says to me in a year from now, you're going to be less focused on building this brand new product and more focused on managing people. And that's going to be a huge shift for you.And I think that's when I was like, Oh, Right.And I don't know.No, if I'm ready, like, I mean, I'm obviously not ready for that. That can happen tomorrow. So thank goodness. But in one year, um, I mean, I really like where we're at right now. and I know it's not going to last. And there's so many people, so many successful people that talk about this exact moment that I am at being the most fun.And I am not taking that for granted right now because I am thinking, Oh, no, like. This is the most fun, like, just fun, like in the pure sense of fun. This is the most fun right now. And so building a team is so double-edged with. I want to have, like, I want to have fun. I want to keep doing this. I want to keep building to do that.I have to keep building my team, but in order to keep building my team, that means my time is shifted from like fully product focused to management focused. And I, um, As Nora would say, I'm not prepared for that.Jonathan: [00:22:43] Yeah. Well, the nice thing is no one's taking you to daycare and saying, here you go. Here's all these new kids in your pond to have to play with.Angela: [00:22:52] I know I do. Oh yeah. I do control who moves into the pond. It's totally true, but it's such a, it's so paradoxical in the way that, um, you build a product and you have to build the team at the same time. And in order to do that, you have your, your focus has to shift and, um, yeah, it's hard.Jonathan: [00:23:14] I think though, like, I think you will find, and you know, I suspect Jackie is already doing this for you, in some ways she's a clone of you, right? Like she canAngela: [00:23:24] No. Yeah,Jonathan: [00:23:27] right. Yeah. given some more experience in some more practice, she's probably going to out-think you in certain ways.And, um, that's like how much,how much better can itAngela: [00:23:40] That's the best. That is the best. And all I can hope is that that cycle continuesbut, Oh man, I guess this is the fun part now Oh, that's so amazing. And. Sad at the same time.Jonathan: [00:24:04] It's not the end. It's this isn't the end. It's just the beginning.beginning of along, long it is change. Going from two, well, going from one, you, to two is the biggest jump, but you kind of have been two for such a long time that you've gotten really used tothat. Uh, going, going to three and four is a huge job going to five is going to feel not nearly as scary.Angela: [00:24:32] What if it's like five, six, seven, eight, all at the same time though,because all of a sudden, like, Oh yeah, what was it?Jonathan: [00:24:41] just, just space it out a little bit more.Angela: [00:24:44] Put them all on the same day.Outro [00:24:48] Jonathan: [00:24:50] You've been listening to Fixing Faxes, building a digital health startup. I'm Jonathan Bowers and my cohost is Angela Hapke. Music by Andrew Codeman. Follow us on Twitter @FixingFaxes. You can find us wherever you listen to podcasts. We would love for you to do us a favor and tell a friend. Thanks for listening.how do you want to beep do you want to beep the plot, the last episode? Because you said **** twice. You said the **** a couple of times. Should I beep them outAngela: [00:25:16] Wait, you said **** also?No, you didn't. It's in, it's in the script. I heard **** from you. And then I said **** twice.Um,

This episode delves into working remotely, and how Two Story Robot responded to the pandemic. Jonathan designed his company as a remote-first technology company and there was a lot of benefit to this when COVID hit. They found themselves in a unique position, ready for remote work but still had to deal with the pandemic. At the forefront of remote work they had a lot of knowledge to share, and we dig into this.Check out the blog post on this topic they published.Find Us OnlineAngela Hapke - @angelahapke - https://www.clinnect.caJonathan Bowers - @thejonotron - https://www.twostoryrobot.comCreditsProduced by Jonathan Bowers and Angela HapkeMusic by Andrew Codeman (CC BY 3.0)TranscriptJonathan: [00:00:00] Hey, just a heads up. This episode of fixing faxes does have a couple of swear words in it. They're not like the big swear words, just some of the lower order swear words. Um, but they're still swear words. Anyways, if that matters to you. Maybe skip this one.very few bongs last time that was better,uh,Angela: [00:00:20] was very, uh, trying very hard, not to whack anything on myJonathan: [00:00:26] I had, I had four more far more bongs, uh, in mine. I'm not sure. Cause I've moved my mic over here. I'm not used to it. I want a different boom. Uh, Justin Jackson posted a picture of him and I was like, what's that thing? It's cool. It doesn't have it's. It's like all the, all the mechanisms are inside the arm.It looks very, very cool. Um, it's not that expensive, but it doesn't, it's not going to help me cause it's not, it's not longer. I want something longer.Angela: [00:00:51] Oh, you want like a,like a professionalJonathan: [00:00:55] yeah. I want something to come down from the roof and maybe on like a track that I can just like shortslide it around and it can help me in and out of, in another of the bath. Um, that sounds awesome.Intro [00:01:09]You're listening to Fixing Faxes, a podcast on the journey of building a digital health startup with your host, Jonathan Bowers.Angela: [00:01:17] And myself Angela Hapke. So Nora got to sent home with a book on Friday.Jonathan: [00:01:25] I thought you were,Angela: [00:01:27] Just got sent home fromJonathan: [00:01:28] She got sent home with a cold.Angela: [00:01:30] Nope. She got sent home with this book on, on Friday and I found it in her, in her, her bag that she comes home with and I said, Oh Brad, I think Nora stole a book from daycare and he goes, Oh, Nope.Uh, actually her daycare, uh, teachers sent it home specifically for her. Uh, for us to read to her because of it's all about a froggy, but needs to share his pond.Jonathan: [00:01:58] subtle hint.Angela: [00:01:59] no. It was nothing subtle about it. She was very clear. So it's September there is, there's a big transition change in daycare. Lots of new kids starting Nora is one of the older kids now at the right, the old age of three. And, um, It's having a wee bit of trouble with the new children and sharing her, sharing her pond, uh, including friends and space. So Brad reads the book to Nora, uh, and I'm laying with her, she's going to sleep last night. And I say, Oh, did you know, did daddy read you a book tonight? Yeah. Nora is it about a froggy who share a pond. And I was like, Oh, well that sounds like a really good book. She's kind of silent. And she goes, there are a lot of new kids at daycare and I was like, yeah.And sh this is what she says. I'm not prepared for that. Yeah.Jonathan: [00:03:01] She's Oh, she's three. So she she has not only the self awareness to know that she's not prepared, but also understands that this book has been sent home to help her cope with that and create some strategies to share.Angela: [00:03:16] Oh, never underestimate your children.Jonathan: [00:03:23] That's so funny.Angela: [00:03:24] Anyway, I had to tell you that story because it was just too adorable.Jonathan: [00:03:28] I love that.Angela: [00:03:30] I not prepared for that.Okay.Jonathan: [00:03:34] that's a big word prepared.Angela: [00:03:36] I know she says "p-pared", but yeah. No. I know,Remote Work [00:03:46] Yeah. So today we wanted to talk a little bit about, um, working remotely. This is a huge topic right now, uh, with, uh, COVID and a lot people working remotely, a lot of people that have never worked remotely are now working remotely. A lot of people that have worked remotely or some, what worked remotely are now a hundred percent working remotely and just all the, the spectrum of, of working at home to working in the office.And Two Story Robot does a really. Um, a really cool way of, of handling remote work, um, because you guys have done it by design right from the get go almost. And I just, I thought it'd be really cool to talk about that.Jonathan: [00:04:31] Thank you. Yeah. Um, It is by design, but it doesn't account for a pandemic.Angela: [00:04:41] Fair enough.Jonathan: [00:04:42] Like we, we have been, we have been remote pretty much from the beginning. I mean, most of us actually do work out of, out of one office. Um, there was six of us that have one office and then a few sort of scattered about everywhere.Um, but we've always, we've always taken the stance that if you can do your work remotely, then the work in the office will just benefit from that. And that, that, that has proven true. Like, we were very good at documenting. We're very good at communicating digitally. Um, we don't have to have meetings and when we do have, uh, zoom calls, they tend to be, um, Better than the average zoom call that I've attended for other teams, just because we're used to it, we understand the process behind it and the empathize with everyone.part of it came from the MBA program, actually.Yeah. Cause I did what we did. We both did the MBA at Sauder and I was, uh, although we had to go down for the actual courses and the classwork. A lot of the project work happened remotely. And so, um, I got to experience both, uh, working with a team that was physically close to each other so they could meet.And then I was the remote one and then occasionally there was like, all the remote people were put on a team and we would work remotely. Those meetings always went way better.Angela: [00:05:58] Yes. I found the same thing. I usually got put on the PR on the team with all the remote people also. and let's also be clear that you didn't just finish your MBA. That is over it's over 10 years ago now, right?Jonathan: [00:06:12] uh, 2010, 2011. About 10 yearsAngela: [00:06:15] So about 10 years ago. So even then, so 10 years ago, remote work was kind of a thing, but not really a thing. And so, um, yeah, you PR you probably learned a ton. So let's unpack a little bit about what you were talking about. You talked about meetings remotely, but you also talked about the, um, tools that you guys use to manage work.Jonathan: [00:06:36] Yeah, so we are very heavily documentation first. so we, we have sometimes scared off some clients just by the pure volume of documentation that we can some occasionally create. Um, So we use a tool called Notion to basically write almost everything down, everything from meeting notes, um, planning, documents, um, some of our tasks go in there in any of our internal documentation.We do all of our blog writing in Notion first. yeah, it's just like documentation first. We, we don't use email.Angela: [00:07:13] Like at all,Jonathan: [00:07:14] I mean, we have email accounts, but we don't use them.Angela: [00:07:16] between each other, between team members, you don't use them atJonathan: [00:07:18] Nope. The only thing we would use email for is like for a legal, like for legal paper trail. Um, and, and most of the emails, most of the emails we send are to external people.Angela: [00:07:29] So as a, as a client of Two Story Robot, um, do you guys use Slack though for a lot of messages back and forth? Like, is that kind ofJonathan: [00:07:37] Yeah. The Slack, as a, as an instant messaging or messaging platform has replaced the more ephemeral conversations. Like if I were to walk up to your desk and say, Hey, what do you think about this? Um, we try not to do that. We do that in Slack, and we do that in a, in a way that allows everyone to be able to see it.So sometimes it can get a bit noisy because there's a lot of discussion going on and we divide all the conversations into different channels. So there's a channel there's actually two channels for Clinnect one internally, which you don't get to see.Angela: [00:08:12] seeJonathan: [00:08:13] yeah, we use the internal, the internal one, just talk about internal stuff and then, but most of the conversations happen on the external channel . Every one of our projects has their own channel and we have all the discussions in there and we try to discuss things in the open.So if you have a question, we just say, Hey, uh, does anybody have an answer to this? Or if you just happen to come up with a solution to something you might say, Oh, Hey, I was thinking about this and I've I've I, you know, I came up with this solution here and that's really handy because, um, Unlike when you come up to my desk and bother me one bother me, interrupt me and discuss something with me.All that discussion we have is, is lost.Like we don't no one else. Yeah. No one else gets to benefit from that. But if we have that discussion on Slack in the open one, although Slack, I don't think is a great tool for this. It's less interrupting. I need to have the discipline in order to like, resist that interruption, but it's also visibleforeveryone. to see.Angela: [00:09:06] Yep. Um, I can see why, if you come from an industry or you're a client that isn't maybe been exposed to this level of transparency and this level of, um, open discussion and things like that. Working with working with you guys, as you said, it might be a little bit like it might, it might feel a little vulnerable at first because everything is out in the open.And I know for me, when we started on, um, on, uh, an external Slack channel with you guys, uh, I wasn't overly comfortable with it. I was probably still messaged like, you know, texting you and things like that, or stopping by your desk. Uh, but since, since COVID, uh, that that's not really an option anymore is to just stop by your desk.So. I, uh, I've found more comfort in it and actually embraced it a little bit more too. Yeah. Just because I am able to go back and take a look at something or find something thing that we had, you know, talked about and what exactly did we say about that? Or what did we come up with the wording for that, or et cetera, et cetera.I have found it to be helpful.Jonathan: [00:10:14] Yay. That's. Some of w you know, why we want to talk about this a little bit is that we, we quickly realized at the beginning of the pandemic, cause we did, we did this workshop. Um, once we went remote and then a few days later, we saw lots of other teams starting to go remote, uh, just locally, um, We thought, Oh, maybe this is an opportunity to share some of our knowledge with some folks.And so we did a workshop that was well attended. We had like 70, I think, 75 people,Angela: [00:10:42] Wow. You guys had 75 people for that workshop. I didn't realizeJonathan: [00:10:45] I think I know 75 people registered. I don't think all 75 people showed up. Um, I think by the, I know at one point there was like 50 or 60 people there, um, watching or consuming it. And then, um, they sort of trailed off at that towards the end, cause it was an hour long.but I was surprised at the level at which a lot of teams were operating in terms of what remote meant for them.Angela: [00:11:09] Explain that, what do you mean by that?Remote is not the office but via Zoom [00:11:10]Jonathan: [00:11:10] Um, they were, a lot of teams were basically just trying to replicate the office via video. And it was, almost offensive that, that, yeah, like it was right. Like one team, um, there, they just expected you to open up a zoom callAngela: [00:11:32] Oh, justto, just to have a camera at you theJonathan: [00:11:37] well, who knows what the intent was behind it, but,uh, but certainly like certainly a feeling was like, why do you need to see me? And like this, that's not how that's not even how an office works. Like I don't sit face to face with all of my colleagues. And, um, we, we worked with another client, um, and they, they did remote work in us in this strange way where we all sat around a zoom call and watched somebody type into a document.And we all sort of took turns telling them what to typeandAngela: [00:12:08] in those meetings beforeJonathan: [00:12:09] yeah. And so they're awful. They're such a waste oftime. CausethereAngela: [00:12:14] doing?Jonathan: [00:12:15] Seven of us on the call. Like we don't all need to be telling one person how towrite word documents.Angela: [00:12:20] no.Jonathan: [00:12:21] Um, and you know, just after the pandemic, we did that workshop and we thought, Holy cow, there is a ton of teams that have no idea how to do any of this. Even some of the smaller things like, you know, maybe not using email in the way that people do. And, um, No even just introducing the idea of a, of a Slack channel to discuss things that don't need to happen in email.It just was kind of revolutionary let alone the idea that let's work through documentation and, or communicate through documentation and try to do as much asynchronously as possible. Um, whereas you know, this, this, some of these teams were. Where yeah, you, you, you start your day at nine, you finish at five and the whole thing's via zoom.IAngela: [00:13:05] Oh, and it's also, that's not a way to burn your burn, everyone out. I don't know what is, I think you guys, so, so what I have experienced, uh, working with your team, and there was one meeting in particular that really jumped out at me and I was like, Oh wow, this is it was very obvious as to how natural this remote work was for your team having.So we're having our weekly zoom call, um, that Chris leads with all the, like the different, uh, topics that,on the schedule. And we get to, uh, the topic of design and Lindsey, unfortunately couldn't make that meeting. She had let us all know ahead of time and we knew that she couldn't make the meeting.Um, and then it came to, you know, design, which is, which is, uh, Lindsay's almost line item. And, um, So what happened almost seamlessly was Chris goes, I'm going to start recording this zoom call. So Lindsey can see what we're talking about. And I have a few screenshots that I can share, and we can talk about those and we can at least give her a little bit of feedback.So that for the next week, you know, she, or when she, you know, is back on, she can, she can take a look. And it was just immediate that the, the recording started and what was really even more neat about the way that you guys did it was, um, we immediately started talking like, she was not like she was there, but she was going to be listening to this.So it was, um, okay. So Lindsey, when you see this, um, here's what I'm thinking about this and this and this, and over here, blah, blah, blah. And we would, we would talk through it. And then we kind of got through that, that line item and the schedule, and then we just kind of moved on and, but it happened so quickly and there wasn't , it didn't seem like there was a barrier to involving someone that couldn't make it. And, um, So that like almost goes like, in my opinion, that goes like levels up from just remote work to now working with people, um, that might be in different time zones that might be, you know, that don't have to be in person to get everything that they need to get out of that meeting, which shifts our thinking around, um, certainly in person meetings, but then.Even more so in person, virtual meetings too,Jonathan: [00:15:27] Yeah. I really think that most meetings don't need to happen. Period full stop. Like there's so there's so much that can be done. Um, asynchronously that the in person meeting needs to like, they need to be flipped in a way. So it needs not, they should definitely not be, um, like a broadcast style meeting where one person gets up and sort of talks to the whole,Angela: [00:15:51] Like a podcast,Jonathan: [00:15:52] Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, that's true. Like it, it could just be a podcast, like, just get the mic hit, record, record what you're going to say, send that out and then people can consume it whenever, whenever it makes sense to them, it doesn't have to interrupt their day and they don't have to schedule around it because what's the value in me attending the thing real time.Angela: [00:16:08] Exactly. And I can consume what I need to consume from that meeting at a time. That makes sense to me. Um, and maybe I'm ready for it.Jonathan: [00:16:17] Yeah. And, uh, Interesting side note. As, as you become better at listening to podcasts, you tend to start increasing the speed at which you consume them. Um, and when you can do that, then you actually. If, you know, if you had a 10 person meeting, instead of, instead of delivering a meeting for an hour, maybe that's a bit long, but you know, delivering content for an hour consuming 10 hours worth of people's time.If everyone is able to listen to it at two times, speed that's, You know,five hours, you cut that in half it's. And some of the tools allow for that. Like we have, um, design, is this. It feels like this, this harder, this harder piece to crack, like we've, we've got some aspects of design that we can do asynchronously. We've got tools that allow us to really seamlessly hand things back and forth, like being able to do, being able to do that meeting that you mentioned, um, kind of relies on the fact that we use the tools that we do, where everything is sort of shared in the open, um, when Lindsey finishes, what she's doing, the moment she's done.I mean, I can actually go in and watch her do it live. Like if I want to, I can watch her dragging elements around the screen, but when she's done, I can, I can go in and look at it and take, you know, take it to a client meeting or start giving some feedback right away. Um, that's, that's super necessary. Um, but then.You know, there's still some things about design that are pretty hard asynchronously, and it's really helpful to have this like realtime feedback. Um, but barring that we do lots of video recordings that we send back and forth to each other using Loom. Um, it's one of the tools that we use. Uh that's that can be really helpful.Um, yeah, it's just a, it's just a shift to how do you, be the least interrupting? The least interruptive is that the word is just, yeah. The least interrupted that you can be because there's so much, so much wasted timeby being interrupted on things.Angela: [00:18:01] and let's all be honest when, when we're at home and especially for those of us that are parents, we are being interrupted all the time. Anyway.Jonathan: [00:18:12] Yeah. And I think, I even think despite like, you know, the kids having kids, that's the whole other challenge. Um, but this pandemic on the stuff it's doing to our emotions and our mental health. if you can avoid like a one hour meeting a week, that's just so much better. Right. And if you can, if you can still still get the benefit of, of whatever needs to be discussed at that meeting at your own time.Um, I think that's, you know, just creates a, a more sustainable pace to this, to this weird life that we have right nowwhere, you know, I wake up and. Like the last, the last couple of days, I've been very, very tired. Uh, just exhausted and at night just uninterested in doing anything. So I'm not that I do when you work at night, but I can't, you know, if, if somebody were to schedule a meeting, I can't do it.I can't attend that. Um, but, uh, yeah, I've done this where, you know, Lindsay will have recorded, recorded some loom videos. I'm like, I can't, I can't look at this right now. Like I'm just exhausted, butAngela: [00:19:10] Yes exactly. That's what I'm talking about with consuming it at a time that you want to consume it. So if I'm going to enter a meeting where let's say I've just had. Uh, like, uh, a gong show of a morning, the kids have gone, like just all this stuff is happening and then I'm expected to jump on a call right away, be active, be, you know, interested, be giving, like giving feedback, et cetera.Um, it would be way better if that was all recorded. I could then say I can't do this right now, but I can do it in a couple hours after I have, you know, had a coffee. Sat down and maybe just did something for me for, you know, even 10 minutes for Pete sake. And then, and then I'm in a, in a, in a, in a frame of mind where I can consume, um, what is being put in front of me and have way more valuable feedback, be way more engaged, even though it's literally not engaged with the person at the time, but we more engaged in the content of what's being presented to me.The mental health impacts of the pandemic [00:20:10]so you touched a little bit on, you know, You're feeling exhausted right now, a lot of people are going through a ton. Um, I think, you know, mental health is, is kind of the second pandemic that is happening alongside this pandemic of COVID.do you want to talk a little bit about how that's, impacted the way that you guys work in and changes that you've made?Jonathan: [00:20:33] Yeah, I think, I think it's been, um, unexpectedly, I don't want to say unexpected. Cause I think we could have, we could have expected this if we had thought a little bit about it, but, um, it was more taxing emotionally than I think anyone would have thought. Um, we thought we really thought that because we were, uh, we were geared up for this.Like we, we switched to remote, like in less than an hour. That'sThat's how long it took. Like we just said, okay, the end of the day, that's it. We're not actually, it was, it was less than, less than an hour because no one had an opportunity to do it. Cause it was at the end of the day when we were, because I remember we were, planning on going to an event and I told Paige, I said, we need to be watching the news on this.And like, here's our plan. If, Bonnie Henry has any kind of indication of an escalated response from the province. That's our trigger. We're not going to any more events. Like we cancel everything we're going to, and we're not going to the office. And so we were watching that and it was like 45 minutes before we were supposed to go to the event and, uh, whatever, the, whatever.Yeah. That's what it was. And I messaged Paige, this was like, Ok that's it we're work from home now. She's like, okay. And so she said set off an email to the event organizers. And then I sent an email after the team saying we're working remote or work from home as of now. And then the next morning we were just working from home.So it took us no, no time.And so we were geared up for the mechanics of workingremotely. Oh yeah. We could just switch instantly. It was not a problem, but what we didn't maybe expect was there is no water cooler talk. There is no going up to your desk. Um, there is no how was your weekend banter that happens when you walk in, in the morning?Um, and that's, I think something that we all took for granted, um, We, you know, we've tried to replicate that because we have some, you know, we have some teammates that are remote. Um, and so we try to replicate some of that, but you can't replicate all of it. Like it's just, it's impossible. People just are social creatures.And so having that, that isolation, um, and not just from our team, but from everyone, like no one was no one was interacting with their family. No one was interacting with their friends.Angela: [00:22:35] Yeah, it was all shut down and it felt like overnightJonathan: [00:22:39] Yeah, it was. it was just me and Julia and Zach, andthat's enough.That is enough for me at the moment, but boy was it hard? Um, and it, and I think everyone, everyone was struggling in their own, in their own ways. And, and, and just sort of struggling with this idea of we all have jobs. We all can work remotely. We haven't been affected financially yet. Um, maybe we don't have the right to feel this way.Like maybe we don't, we don't have the right to feel like this sucks. And so that kind of weighs into it.Angela: [00:23:14] the comparative suffering.Jonathan: [00:23:16] yes.Angela: [00:23:16] this is what I kind of describe as not allowing you yourself to feel your feels because you feel like somebody else is having is getting it worse.And by not honoring your own feelings, um, can really be that ways again. On on, on not allowing yourself to, to feel like, to feel like shit about your scenario right now.Right. And, um, and you're allowed, like we're all allowed to feel like shit about our scenario and yes, there's, there's other people that do certainly they've lost their jobs and they have like, I mean, the list is endless of, you know, people that are struggling.Through this at a much more difficult pace than we are, but, uh, but also we can only help others once we allow ourselves to feel what we're feeling and be,Jonathan: [00:24:04] Yeah, I suppose so. I mean, I remember, I remember distinctly, um, you know, sort of prepping, like trying to try to motivate, I think by propping are propping ourselves up as saying like, like it could be wayworse for us. It could be so much worse. Like we are very fortunate in everything we have. And I don't know if I sort of helped create that, um, that, uh, You know that climate to allow for that, that feeling like, okay.I don't, I don't, I shouldn't be complaining.Angela: [00:24:35] Uh, there's no playbook for this. Uh, there's no playbook for the pandemic and there's no playbook for, uh, for those of us that are leading others through it too. Um, I think that what you're saying is, is true though. And you're allowed to, you're allowed to feel all those things, you know, I feel bad for this and not, uh, everything.And so, yeah, there's no playbook and there's no, Right way to kind of handle this is what I've, I've also seen, what a shift to happen? Oh, I think it felt like it happened overnight where all of a sudden, I remember packing up my, my bag that day and saying to Jackie, um, I'm at home now.And I don't know how long I'm going to be at home now. I now have to be at home. My kids are at home, my husband's at home.I have to be at home and I just remember packing up all my stuff. And I was like, like, you know, it did only take half an hour. I was literally like, okay, laptop, computer monitor. But then it was just, that was the end for, for, um, for four months. And then, you know, we've slowly, I mean, it's, we have a small team, but slowly getting back to kind of working together ish, but, uh, it was tough.It was a tough time. Still is you're right.Still trying to build a product [00:25:54]And in that time, so I guess maybe what I want to daylight from all of this too. Is March is when we kind of like pandemic hit, well, BC, for sure. In mid-March we shut her down and, uh, your team and my team continued to build Clinnect because you guys had these tools in place.These, um, I don't want to call them policies and protocols, but it was, it was very much like the culture of how you worked still allowed us to launch a product. You guys still built a product for it during a pandemic, all working remotely. And I think the lessons that you guys have learned has been amazing and tremendous.And so now I'm going to plug your blog posts is Jonathan wrote a blog post about this and, uh, even though like, I work with you guys all the time, there was still stuff in it that I was like, Ooh, that's a good nugget. So if anybody's looking for just like really good nuggets around working remotely, we'll link the podcast or the blog and in the show notes for the podcast.Jonathan: [00:27:09] Yeah. Thank you. We've we've gotten some really fun feedback from that.Uh, yeah. Yeah. Some people have specifically messaged me and saying like, thank you for sharing this. This is, this was really good. Um, it, it, we're pretty, I'm pretty proud of this. I mean, Kaileen wrote most of it.Uh, yeah. Uh, we did, we did collaborate on it. Um, but I'd say she's the one that made it have the, um, human, the deeply human feel to it. Not that it wasn't human to begin with, but, um, yeah. Uh, yeah, she, she brought just this extra piece, extra bit of heart to it that, uh, I'm really proud of her for doing,um, And yeah, but people like people have commented and said like this is really nice.Like, this has been really helpful. Um, and then some other folks, um, I wouldn't say who, but, um, so someone has someone has printed it off and it has it at their desk looks at it occasionally, which I find just so heartwarming.Um, and they, they want to implement some of these things. They kind of work in a, in a, an environment that.Might make this like really challenging, just cause they're notgeared up to work. Yeah.it's so wonderful to hear that. And um, yeah. It's like, we've got, this is just like scratching the surface. Like we've got so many more, tools at our disposal. This is, this is more around how do we, how do we just not lose ourselves too much?Um, and what are the things, what are some of the things that we've tried to do? Um, but every team is different and every team needs to kinda figure out what's gonna work.Angela: [00:28:40] exactly.Outro [00:28:44] Thanks for listening to Fixing Faxes, building a digital health startup. I'm Angela Hapke. And my cohost is Jonathan Bowers .Music by Andrew Codeman. Follow us on Twitter @FixingFaxes. You can find us wherever you like to listen to podcasts.And please do us a favor and tell a friend. Thanks for listening.Jonathan: [00:29:05] uh,Julie's mom made a pear pear, craisin crisp or cobbler. That was really nice.Angela: [00:29:12] it is cobbler time.Jonathan: [00:29:14] Oh, I love cobblers.I love cobblers. I don't love fall because it represents the switch from summer to winter. And I prefer summer. I like, I like the sun.Angela: [00:29:24] Oh, no, I don't think we can ha I don't think we can hang out anymore. Now.I am a hundred percent shoulder season.Jonathan: [00:29:32] Oh, no, no, no, no shoulder seasons. They can just curl up and die. Like, yeah. It's wet and useless time.Like there's the only thing that's great about it is all the food.Angela: [00:29:44] The fall food is like the best.Nope. Fall. Fall is the best.Jonathan: [00:29:53] Yeah.Angela: [00:29:53] I don't think we can. We can hang out anymore now.That's it. This is the end of fixing faxes. We are done. Jonathan is a summer person. I am a fall person. We can no longer be friends.

In today’s episode, we’re talking about how to tune into what turns you on. Kaileen shares why it’s important to pay attention to the things, feelings, and experiences that make you feel alive. We get into what it means to “call in” and how this all relates to manifesting and the law of attraction.Join Magical May… there’s still time! Visit: https://www.celebratecultivate.com   Sign up for the newsletter: https://celebratecultivate.com/uplift  Join our community on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/celebratecultivate and https://www.instagram.com/kaileenelise/  Share the episode with anyone who could use a little extra magic in their everyday life!

Christy and Kaileen chat how they are handling the Corona epidemic as mothers and business owners.  Then it's a special flip the mic episode where Kaileen interviews Christy after we polled her Instagram for questions on business, being pregnant with her 2nd child, and the Masterclass she is currently running.   We had so much fun in the episode we decided to do a Live Coffee with Christy and Kaileen Zoom call this Friday 3/27 @ 1pm EST for anyone that has questions for us!  Its totally free if you are interested in joining DM us your email on Instagram with Zoom  Connect with Kaileen on Instagram @kaileenelisehttps://www.instagram.com/kaileenelise/ Ways to Connect with Me:www.ambitioussoul.co  Get on the Soul Squad Newsletter List & Get Inspiration in Your Inbox:https://ambitioussoul.co/soul-squad Instagram@christylepleyhttps://www.instagram.com/christylepley/ @ambitioussoulpodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/ambitioussoulpodcast/ AND Don't Forget to Subscribe on iTunes to get Next Week's Episode!

We are getting woo woo with astrology and mercury retrograde. We share resources for learning more + tips for keeping calm through mercury retrograde.Jordan gives an overview and explains why we hear about retrogrades every few months. We discuss how astrology helps us understand ourselves, other people, and the collective.Kaileen shares about her astrology reading with Leslie Galbraith of Our Cosmic Day. Jordan talks about keeping an astrology journal for deeper learning and integration.Mercury Retrograde impacts communication and can do some funky things to technology. It is also a great time to look inward and release what isn't serving you.We share a few small shifts to help you flow better through a retrograde... but we agree that it's best not to let a retrograde rule you. You gotta live your life through it!Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a conversation about inner voice and intuition. See you then!

Today we’re getting woo-woo with our crystal life! Jordan has been into pretty rocks for a long time and they've become one of Kaileen's high-vibe obsessions in the past year.In this episode we cover our fave resources and rituals with crystals. We talk about why crystals have become so popular and how we interact with ours in everyday life.Jordan shares some crystal stories and we chat about her recent interest in jewelry. Kaileen talks about growing her collection and how crystals have become a playful practice in adornment.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a conversation about love... just in time for Valentine's Day. See you then!

Today we're talking about TV, shows, and woo! We talk through our all-time faves, shows to binge, and guilty pleasures. We discuss how shows can impact our energy and where we find the woo in watching TV.We begin with a look at our relationship with TV as kids. We chat about our shared nostalgia for getting Netflix DVDs in the mail and how box sets used to make the best gifts.Jordan reveals why we're in the golden age of television. Kaileen talks about the joy of sharing shows with friends and shares her husband's go-to resource: Metacritic.We agree that pregnancy and postpartum hormones have altered our viewing choices in recent years. Kaileen laughs at herself for her lost dream of being on a reality show. Jordan shares how TV shows can help us dream bigger and find expanders for our manifestations.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a conversation about The Woo of Crystals. See you then!

We are getting woo woo with all the decks! Jordan gives an overview of tarot, and then shares her favorite resources and rituals. Kaileen reveals her unique practices with mantra and oracle decks. We talk about how pulling cards is a guided meditation for us. We wrap up by pulling some cards for the podcast and our community.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon... starting back up in January: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a conversation about TV, Shows, and Woo. See you then!

It’s 2020 and we are back for season two. Welcome to New Year, New Woo!! Today's conversation is about the energy of the new year. Jordan explains why it feels like things are off to a slow start. Kaileen talks about her practice of choosing a word for the year. We share about the holidays, our intentions for 2020, and what we are calling in.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon... starting back up in January: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week to get woo-woo with tarot and oracle decks. See you then!

Sarka Pancochova has competed in three Olympic games as a snowboarder. Yet as she aims for No. 4 in 2022, she's doing so in a relationship with her girlfriend, Laree. Both Sarka and Kaileen join us this week to talk about not getting married until it's legal in Sarka's home country of the Czech Republic. They also talk about navigating a 5,000-mile relationship, and Sarka opens up about competing as an out athlete on the slopes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's conversation is about celebrations, magic, and woo! We talk about holiday movies and coping with family drama. We share what having a "Christmas of our own understanding" means.We talk about how being a parent during celebrations has shifted our perspective. We get into our favorite things about Christmas and the holiday season.Jordan rants about "birthday people" and shares about her breakthroughs since taking a break from social media. Kaileen talks about connecting to the past and manifesting the future through celebration.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for our final episode of the season and year. We're talking about the woo in reflection and looking back. See you then!

Our bodies are magic, but that can be easy to forget in everyday life! Today's episode is an extra special two-for-one. First, we're sharing an interview Katie Dalebout did with us for her podcast, Let It Out. Then we get into all things body and woo. Jordan talks about syncing with her cycle and the practices she uses to feel better in her body. Kaileen shares her idea of outsourcing her body to the universe. We chat about our desires for ease and appreciation when it comes to our bodies.Our question for you: tell us something positive about your body? We want to hear it!Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a conversation about celebrations, magic, and woo!

Kaileen and I attended Attune, which was a 4 day immersion Wellness Retreat outside of Atlanta. During this retreat we learned from thought leaders Gabby Bernstein, Dr. Joe Dispenza, Shaman Durek, and Liz Gilbert.  In this conversation we recap our experience on the retreat, what our biggest takeaways were, and how we plan to implement what we have learned into our daily lives as working mothers.   You can Kaileen on Instagram:@kaileenelise @celebratecultivate Listen to her podcast That’s Pretty Woo:  www.thatsprettywoo.com@thatsprettywoo  Check out her website & reach out if you’re interested in her website design services:www.kaileenelise.com Resources Mentioned: Super Attractor - Methods for Manifesting - Gabby Bernsteinhttps://amzn.to/2VFrHAu  Breaking The Habit of Being Yourself - Joe Dispenzahttps://amzn.to/319ADiJ  Spirit Hacking - Shaman Durek https://amzn.to/36QKSfX  Connect with Me! Instagram  @ambitioussoulpodcast https://www.instagram.com/ambitioussoulpodcast/ @christylepley https://www.instagram.com/christylepley/ Free Facebook Group - Ambitious Soul Sisterhood https://www.facebook.com/groups/2229420643845537/ Don't forget to subscribe to receive next week's episode! 

Want to raise your vibration with gratitude, appreciation, and woo? In this episode, we talk about our favorite gratitude rituals and resources. Jordan shares how being grateful for the opportunity to change brings her peace. Kaileen talks about the small ways she appreciates everyday life. Through this conversation, we decide that gratitude is a cheap and easy form of self-care! Let us know: how do you practice gratitude?Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Sign up for our monthly newsletter for episode previews, playlists, intentions and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Into the woo? Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share our pod with your friends.We'll be back next week for a special episode all about bodies. See you then!

Today we’re talking about the woo of everyday life. From our routines and schedules to the habits that sometimes go unexamined. We talk about the most woo and least woo parts of our days. Kaileen asks why her woo-woo moments are when she's alone? Jordan shares about being intentional vs. being on autopilot. We chat about rituals and Human Design. We share thoughts on parenting, running households, and basic stuff like taking out the trash and grocery shopping. Is there woo in everyday life? We think so!Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect with us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook.Stay in the loop by signing up forur monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.Feeling the love? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts and share with anyone you know who's into stuff that's pretty woo!We'll be back next week for an episode on the power of gratitude. See you then!

We are back for Beauty Woo Part Two! When our first beauty episode aired, our conversation was about the history, philosophy, and vibes of beauty. Today is all about our makeup and skincare faves! Kaileen shares her desire for ease in all things and Jordan gives a rundown of her weekly routine. We talk about how lipstick saves lives and what we do about facial hair. We get into our rituals, the woo products we love, and what we're still seeking when it comes to beauty.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comWe'll be back next week for The Woo of Everyday! Connect with us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook.Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

If you ever said the words I Don't Know What to Post?? Then this is the episode for you! You know you are supposed to keep up with social media for your business or blog but coming up with new content every day is exhausting. That is because you need a strategy! In this episode, I go over my process for creating a months worth of content for social media that is intentional and planned out in advance.   Instagram Tools I Use: Planoly App  Preview App  Hishhash App Quote Apps: Word Swag Over Canva  Tripod for Photos:https://amzn.to/31UXdw6  New Offering From Ambitious Soul-Yay! Check out https://ambitioussoul.co/coaching and book a Free 15 minutes call with me if you are looking for help with strategy in your business Need Help with Building Your Website: Check out Kaileen at https://www.kaileenelise.com/hire-me Connect with Me! Instagram  @ambitioussoulpodcast https://www.instagram.com/ambitioussoulpodcast/ @christylepley https://www.instagram.com/christylepley/ Free Facebook Group - Ambitious Soul Sisterhoodhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/2229420643845537/ Don't forget to subscribe to receive next week's episode! 

What does shadow mean? And what is shadow work? In today's episode, we're getting into why it can be good to own your shadow. We talk about the relationship between our shadows and the act of allowing. Jordan shares about boundaries, breakups, gossip, and drama. We avoid the topic of families and shadow. Kaileen dives into how motherhood can bring out all the shadows. No matter if you're new to "shadow" or have been dancing with yours for years, we welcome you to listen to this conversation about our shady shadows... just in time for Scorpio season.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comOur challenge for you: notice something that bothers you and see what you can learn from yourself. We'll be back next week to talk all about the chakra system.Connect online: find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook.Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

In this episode I interview my long time friend and OG Blogger Kaileen Elise Sues. Kaileen has been in the online space for over a decade with her personal blog kaileenelise.com. She runs a series of workshops about reflection and intention at Celebrate Cultivate, is the co-host of That’s Pretty Woo podcast, and since recording this episode she launched a website design business for entrepreneurs who want a gorgeous and functional website but don't want to teach themselves Squarespace. Which is totally me! Yay Ambitious Soul has arrived!! Please go check out my brand new website that Kaileen built: www.ambitioussoul.co We chat about how in 2009 Kaileen started her website as a creative break from her corporate day job. What she didn't know at the time was that writing and connecting online would be a huge source of support when she left Corporate America to become a full time mama. A year after her second child was born, Kaileen’s creative heart started pulling her back towards wanting to work. But this time she decided to build her own business! In August, Kaileen and her co-host Jordan launched That’s Pretty Woo, a weekly podcast that's girl talk and deep conversations about all things life, beauty, magic, and woo-woo! Kaileen also added a website design business to her creative mix! Kaileen is passionate about helping entrepreneurs build beautiful websites with simplicity and ease.  In this episode we discuss the evolution of blogging over the years. We ask the questions: Is blogging dead? What's the deal with SEO? What's in a domain name? … and what advice Kaileen has for someone thinking of starting a blog in 2019! Kaileen lives in sunny Austin, Texas with her husband and two babes. She loves to curate her belongings, her Instagram feed & her intentions. You can find her on Instagram: @kaileenelise  @celebratecultivate Listen to her podcast That’s Pretty Woo:  www.thatsprettywoo.com @thatsprettywoo  Check out her website & reach out if you’re interested in her website design services: www.kaileenelise.com   Connect with Me! Instagram  @ambitioussoulpodcast https://www.instagram.com/ambitioussoulpodcast/ @christylepley https://www.instagram.com/christylepley/ Free Facebook Group - Ambitious Soul Sisterhood https://www.facebook.com/groups/2229420643845537/ Don't forget to subscribe to receive next week's episode!  

We've been reading too many self-help books, so we're excited about today's conversation. Fiction is super woo woo if you think about it! What else gives us access to other places, eras, creatures, and magical lands? We are chatting all about our favorite fiction books. Jordan and Kaileen each reveal a few scandalous personal stories related to reading... which was an unexpected plot twist for us!Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect online and let us know, what are you reading? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook.Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

We’re getting woo-woo with the moon in today’s episode! This is our most requested topic so far and we're excited to get into it. Kaileen reviews the different moon phases and Jordan shares her favorite moon rituals. We give lots of resources and some basic tips if you're just learning how to work with the moon. Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what are your favorite moon rituals and what practices are planning to try after listening to this episode? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

What is manifesting? How does the Law of Attraction work? We discuss our approaches to manifesting and hash out our different viewpoints on what we attract into our lives. We share our favorite resources and Law of Attraction stories. Kaileen talks about how working too hard can get in the way. Jordan shares the dream that she's calling in.Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.comConnect online and let us know, what personality typing system resonates with you the most and how do you use it to show up in the world? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook.Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

We are diving into the woo-woo world of personality typing systems like astrology, human design, and enneagram. Kaileen shares how she uses these things for self-reflection. Jordan talks about how she loves to cosmically profile people. We talk about connecting to our shadow sides and reflect on how we feel about reparenting. Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what personality typing system resonates with you the most and how do you use it to show up in the world? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Today’s conversation is about minimalism, stuff that sparks joy, and the vibes of our things. Jordan shares about her practice of keeping a Commonplace Book and her idea for a slow / low buy year. Kaileen talks about how postpartum anxiety played a role in her desire to get rid of everything in her house and the three things she would do if she had more room in her life. We chat about our love for Marie Kondo’s Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up and we wonder if our shopping habits are serving us. Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what do you want to make room for in your life? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Today we're talking about the history, philosophy, and vibes of beauty. We get into current trends like green beauty and the curly girl method. Jordan shares her beauty favorites. Kaileen aspires for that easy, effortless look. We talk through our hair journeys and decide there’s still room to grow. Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, where is the woo in your beauty routine? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Why does everyone talk about how busy or broke they are? But also, why do some people seem like they’re doing and having it all? In today’s episode we talk about time and money abundance. Jordan shares her thoughts on “being busy” and what she’s learned from reading lots of books on money. Kaileen gets into the magic of time and her journey with money after leaving her corporate career. Visit our website for show notes + good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know how do you feel about time and money abundance? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

We are nervous to talk about food, but we're doing it anyway. In today's conversation, we get into our food journeys and where we are today with intuitive eating. Jordan reveals her love for pizza and supplements. Kaileen shares her struggle with mindfulness and eating. Talking it out helps us both see the woo of food more clearly. Visit our website for show notes and good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know the ways you experience the woo of food? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

What does it mean to do less? How can we get better at letting go? We talk about navigating change through different life phases. Jordan shares thoughts on balancing masculine and feminine energy. Kaileen shares her feelings about what happens after reaching a goal. Listen as we get deep… and also try not to take ourselves too seriously! Visit our website for show notes and good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what does doing less mean to you? And what are you wanting to let go of? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Today we go beyond the definition of ritual and talk about what it means to us. We discuss our daily rituals, weekly rituals, and moon rituals. We get into the difference between mindless habits and intentional practices. Jordan shares about how rituals play an important role in her everyday life. Kaileen talks about her desire to bring more ritual into her evening routine. Visit our website for show notes and good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what's your favorite ritual? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

In this first episode, Jordan and Kaileen dive into all things woo. We share our personal perspectives and stories along with inspiration for being more woo-woo! Visit our website for show notes and good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and let us know, what's your woo story? Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Welcome to That’s Pretty Woo: conversations about life, beauty, and magic. In this trailer for season one, Jordan and Kaileen introduce each other and set intentions for the podcast. Visit our website for show notes and good vibes: thatsprettywoo.com Connect online and share this podcast with anyone into stuff that's pretty woo! Find us on Instagram @thatsprettywoo and Facebook. Subscribe to our monthly newsletter with episode previews, playlists, and inspiration delivered with each new moon: Woo Letter.

Welcome to the Voice of Retail for the week of June 11th, 2019 I'm your host Michael LeBlanc and this podcast is brought to you in conjunction with Retail Council of Canada and sponsored by Purolator, Canada's Shipping Company for courier and freight, learn more at www.purolator.com In this episode two exclusive feature interviews both recorded live in person at the Purolator Podcasting Studio at RCC's #STORE2019. First, I chat with Kaileen Millard-Ruff, Vice President of Retail for Ottawa-based international retailer Lee Valley Tools. We talk about Kaileen's rich background in retail, the unique culture and history of the brand, their differentiating merchandising and in-store experience. Next one of Canada's premier retail statesman, industry advocate and thought leaders Willy Kruh, Global Retail Lead for KPMG and Retail Council of Canada's 2019 inductee into the Retail Hall of Fame. Based here in Toronto with KPMG for 36 years, Canadian retail lead for the past 20 and global lead for the past 15, we chat about Willy's start on sales floor with Harry Rosen, through to Willy's reflections on the state of modern retail, and the work still to be done, particularly in Canada, by retailers to effectively compete in modern retail. Last but not least I'll cover off Retail This Week including Hudson's Bay going private, rare full length video interview with Amazon worldwide consumer chief, Fjallraven's Swedish adventures in Canada, a harmonized approach to single-use plastics, Tokyo Smoke's cross-Canada retail expansion, Walmart's overall of jet.com, tough lessons from Tim Horton's, Loblaw “pears” up with Toronto startup flash food and Metro launched e-grocery in Toronto. But first, let's listen in to my interview with Kaileen from Lee Valley Tools Thanks to Kaileen and Willy for being my special guests for this episode, stay tuned for more interviews from the Purolator Podcasting Studio in episodes to come. Now let's hit the highlights from Retail This Week eNewsletter, biggest retail weekly in Canada and you can subscribe on www.retailcouncil.org for free. That's a wrap on this edition of The Voice of Retail, if you liked this podcast you can subscribe on iTunes or your favourite podcast platform, and be sure and recommend to a friend or colleague in the retail industry. You can also ask your favourite home devices, Amazon Echo, Google home to play the most recent edition. I'm Michael LeBlanc, Founder and President of M.E. LeBlanc and Company Inc. and you can learn more about me on www.meleblanc.co or of course on LinkedIn Until next time, have a great week!