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Finding the balance between gentle parenting and building resilience in our kids is a huge challenge, often resulting in unintentional perfectionism on our part as parents. But could this perfectionism be having a deeper impact on your child's development?   I'm speaking to Lisa Chan, a former pediatric occupational therapist turned parent coach, to explore how we can support our children's emotional development without falling into the perfectionism trap. Lisa brings over a decade of experience working with kids who have autism, ADHD, and sensory challenges, and she shares why she made the shift from therapy to parent coaching.    Tune in this week as Lisa shares practical strategies for understanding your child's unique needs, whether it's sensory input, executive functioning challenges, or emotional regulation struggles.    Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://planningplaytime.com/103

When raising a child with autism, ADHD, or sensory challenges, many families focus primarily on child-centered therapy. While occupational therapy, speech therapy, and behavior therapy are incredibly important, family support is just as crucial for long-term success. At Pure Hearts Therapy, we believe real change happens when parents are empowered too.  In a recent episode of the Autism Family Resource Podcast, Brian Keene sat down with Lisa Chan, a parent coach, pediatric occupational therapist, and expert in child behavior, to discuss how parents can transform family dynamics and empower their child's emotional growth. Why Family Support Matters in Autism Therapy As Lisa explains, parents are the most important factor in a child's progress.  Therapists may only see a child once or twice a week—but parents guide daily routines, manage emotions in real-time, and provide the secure foundation that every child needs. Without strong family dynamics, even the best therapy services can't create lasting change. That's why autism family support and parent coaching for autism are becoming such essential resources today. Emotional Regulation: The Foundation of Growth One of the key areas Lisa focuses on is emotional regulation strategies.  Children are not born knowing how to manage big emotions. They learn it by experiencing it alongside a regulated adult. Co-regulation—the process where parents model emotional calmness—helps children build their own ability to stay calm during challenges.  It's not about suppressing emotions or “just staying calm” on the surface. It's about truly understanding and validating your child's feelings while staying grounded yourself. ✅ Tip: Practice noticing your own emotional triggers. During your child's meltdown, focus on staying steady, not perfect. Your child will learn from your energy more than your words. Setting Boundaries Builds Security Many families worry that firm boundaries might upset their child more—but Lisa emphasizes the opposite:  Firm, loving boundaries create emotional safety. Children thrive when expectations are clear and consistent.  When boundaries constantly shift, children feel uncertain, which can lead to more meltdowns, anxiety, and resistance. ✅ Tip: Stick to your “no” when necessary—with kindness and validation.  For example, "I know you really want that candy, and it's okay to feel upset. We're not getting it today, but I'm here with you." This approach supports secure attachment and builds resilience over time. Social Skills Struggles: How Parents Can Help Another common concern for families today is helping children with autism develop social skills.  If a child struggles with emotional regulation or reading social cues, they may feel isolated or left out at school or on the playground. Instead of hoping they'll "figure it out," Lisa recommends active social skills coaching. ✅ Tip: Practice role-playing common social situations at home. Pretend to be another child and guide your child through ways to join games, start conversations, or handle conflict. This kind of practice can build confidence and reduce social anxiety—key parts of social skills support for autism. Final Words of Encouragement for Parents Lisa shares a powerful reminder: "If you're noticing struggles—whether it's with your child or your own confidence as a parent—don't wait. Get support now. Early intervention helps both children and families thrive long-term." Today's families are carrying more stress than ever.  Between social media comparisons, isolation from extended family, and the daily demands of parenting, seeking help for yourself is a sign of strength, not weakness. Ready for More Support? If you're looking for: ●       Family-centered autism support ●       Parent coaching for emotional regulation ●       Social skills development strategies ●       Help navigating family dynamics with autism Pure Hearts Therapy is here to walk alongside you.  We offer playful, personalized, and respectful therapy services to help families grow stronger—together.

Former pediatric occupational therapist Lisa Chan learned a great deal from her years working with children in schools, homes and in her office. During that time, she saw a gap in the services available. While she would offer important help to children, it was more likely the teachers and parents who were the “first responders”, and they did not always know how to respond to these children's unique needs. Lisa solved that by turning her attention to education and skills training for the adults that nurture and support these children. You can follow Lisa Chan on all her social media platforms @lisaparentcoachHer website for her courses and coaching is www.TheLisaChan**********Thank you to FeedSpot for selecting “Parenting the Adlerian Way” as the #1 parenting podcast in Canada!Do you have a parenting question for me? Send it to hello@alysonschafer.com and I'll answer (anonymously) on an upcoming Q&A podcast.Sign up for my monthly newsletter at www.alysonschafer.com and receive my “Responsibilities By Age” pdf. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's time to build your family's future on a foundation of true health and freedom. Join us at Future Foundations—because your future generations deserve the best start to the mission that will outlive us… Check it out here. Use code FREEDOM25 for 25% off!    Whether you're looking for tinctures, topicals or teas or a deeper connection to your INNATE healing capacity, Noble Task Homestead is here to serve you. Join the movement. Visit NobleTaskHomestead.com/noblestan today and enjoy a 10% discount on your order. San Diego area residents, take advantage of our special New Patient offer exclusively for podcast listeners here. We can't wait to experience miracles with you! Welcome to a new episode of the Future Generations podcast! Host Dr. Stanton Hom sits down with Lisa Chan, a pediatric occupational therapist turned child behavior expert and parent coach. In this powerful episode, Lisa breaks down the critical challenges facing modern parents - from children's emotional regulation to the impacts of screen time and societal pressures. This episode is perfect for parents feeling overwhelmed, seeking practical strategies to support their children's development, and wanting to understand the deeper roots of behavioral challenges.   Highlights: "You have more power than you realize."   "Everything starts with the parent."   "Kids are learning what safety feels like."   "We're not supposed to walk the path of a neurotypical child."   Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 01:22 Lisa's Professional Background 03:37 Inspiration for Working with Children 07:37 Trends in Children's Health 12:34 Classroom Behavioral Challenges 14:42 Root Causes of Children's Issues 22:57 Parental Stress and Modern Challenges 41:22 Coaching Approach and Services 51:14 Mother's Day Promotion 54:24 Empowering Parents Message   About Lisa Chan Lisa Chan is a Child Behavior Expert and Parent Coach with over a decade of experience as a Pediatric Occupational Therapist. She specializes in helping parents navigate challenging behaviors using a holistic approach rooted in sensory integration, neuroscience, and child development. Lisa is passionate about empowering parents with practical strategies to support emotional regulation, executive functioning, and sensory needs in their children. Through her coaching, online resources, and social media content, she provides compassionate, evidence-based guidance to families looking for real solutions.   Website: thelisachan.com   Access Lisa's Mother's Day sale on coaching services and courses here: https://www.thelisachan.com/mothers-day    Resources: Remember to Rate, Review, and Subscribe on iTunes and Follow us on Spotify!   Learn more about Dr. Stanton Hom on:   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstantonhom  Website: https://futuregenerationssd.com/    Podcast Website: https://thefuturegen.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/drstantonhom  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stanhomdc  Stay Connected with the Future Generations Podcast:   Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/futuregenpodcast  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/futuregenpodcast/  The desire to go off grid and have the ability to grow your own food has never been stronger than before. 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What if the greatest gift you could give your children wasn't a perfect plan or polished behavior, but a life overflowing with joy in God? What if your passion for Jesus shaped them more than any parenting strategy ever could? Today, Francis and Lisa Chan reflect on over 31 years of marriage and parenting seven children, offering a vision of family life shaped not by formulas or fear, but by joy, intimacy with God, and wholehearted surrender. Rather than focusing on techniques or behavioral outcomes, they emphasize the power of modeling a life captivated by God's holiness and love—a life that overflows with authenticity, worship, and daily dependence on the Lord.

Among the many discomforts dental patients may experience, thrush is a tricky one. There are many different causes, and several different treatments that may work better than others. Lisa Chan, DDS , Aubrey Glassberg, BS     Read by: Jackie Sanders  https://www.rdhmag.com/print/content/55279308 

Parents are essential to children's developmental process, especially when those children are dealing with challenges like ADHD, autism, and sensory processing issues. During this episode of The Complicated Kids Podcast I dive into the essential role of parents alongside occupational therapist-turned-parent coach, Lisa Chan. We discuss why therapy alone isn't enough, and why parents need to be empowered with the right tools to support their kids at home. We explore how children's nervous systems respond to stress, why logic doesn't work during meltdowns, and how to rebuild connection after cycles of conflict.   To find out more about Lisa, visit her website at thelisachan.com. About your host, Gabriele Nicolet Join Gabriele Nicolet, podcast host, parenting life coach and speech therapist, weekly for practical strategies and tips on raising complicated kids. Learn how to go from surviving to thriving and create a family culture in which every family member can feel valued, seen and heard. With a practical, relationship-based, family-friendly approach, Gabriele provides tools and insights parents need to create a more balanced and fun family life.If you've been listening and wondering what next steps to take to help your child, I am here for you. Maybe you're wondering whether your kiddo needs a speech and language evaluation, or occupational therapy, or some behavioral intervention to deal with picky eating, anger, meltdowns, hitting and biting. With over 20 years of experience, my knowledge of child development and the available options goes deep. Maybe you just want some practical tips on how to get through the day and feel like a better parent. We can unpack that too. Sound good? Learn more at www.gabrielenicolet.com. Complicated Kids Resources and Links:

This episode is a continuation of the previous episode with my guest, Lisa Chan, who is a Child Behavior Expert and Parenting Coach with over a decade of experience as a Pediatric Occupational Therapist. She specializes in helping parents navigate challenging behaviors using a holistic approach rooted in sensory integration, neuroscience, and child development. Lisa is passionate about empowering parents with practical strategies to support emotional regulation, executive functioning, and sensory needs in their children. Through her coaching, online resources, and social media content, she provides compassionate, evidence-based guidance to families looking for real solutions. Book a session with me: https://calendly.com/parentinghsc Website: parentinghsc.com Donate towards podcast production: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/parastoo Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5107827046012507 Instagram: parastooparentinghsc Book: Doctor Elaine Aron, Highly Sensitive Children Portrait Photographer, Laurie Bishop: www.becomebeseen.com (Use Promo Code Parastoo100)

¿Por qué el Señor los unió a usted y a su cónyuge? Francis y Lisa Chan, coautores del libro “Tú y yo por siempre”, recuerdan a las parejas que Dios los ha unido por una razón, y les anima a no vivir para esta vida, sino para la eternidad. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/692/29

¿Por qué el Señor los unió a usted y a su cónyuge? Francis y Lisa Chan, coautores del libro “Tú y yo por siempre”, recuerdan a las parejas que Dios los ha unido por una razón, y les anima a no vivir para esta vida, sino para la eternidad. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/692/29

¿Qué pide cuando ora por su matrimonio? Francis y Lisa Chan, casados por más de 20 años y padres de siete hijos, animan a los esposos y esposas a que oren fervientemente el uno por el otro y procuren un matrimonio que glorifique al Señor. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/692/29

¿Qué pide cuando ora por su matrimonio? Francis y Lisa Chan, casados por más de 20 años y padres de siete hijos, animan a los esposos y esposas a que oren fervientemente el uno por el otro y procuren un matrimonio que glorifique al Señor. To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/692/29

This episode is a continuation of the previous episode with my guest, Lisa Chan, who is a Child Behavior Expert and Parenting Coach with over a decade of experience as a Pediatric Occupational Therapist. She specializes in helping parents navigate challenging behaviors using a holistic approach rooted in sensory integration, neuroscience, and child development. Lisa is passionate about empowering parents with practical strategies to support emotional regulation, executive functioning, and sensory needs in their children. Through her coaching, online resources, and social media content, she provides compassionate, evidence-based guidance to families looking for real solutions. Book a session with me: https://calendly.com/parentinghsc Website: parentinghsc.com Donate towards podcast production: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/parastoo Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5107827046012507 Instagram: parastooparentinghsc Book: Doctor Elaine Aron, Highly Sensitive Children Portrait Photographer, Laurie Bishop: www.becomebeseen.com (Use Promo Code Parastoo100)

Send us a text“Am I a horrible parent?” “Why does my child have constant meltdowns?” “How can I rebuild my relationship with my child?” – Everyday, parents worldwide ask themselves these questions as they struggle to navigate their childrens' behavioral challenges. Today, Sophia Mills sits down with Lisa Chan, a Pediatric Occupational Therapist and parent coach. Ms. Chan shares invaluable expertise on sailing the rough seas of high-conflict family dynamics and how we can address difficult behavior in our children. She presents effective strategies for parents, explains how important it is to change from a mindset of fixing to a mindset of supporting, and gives tips on building authentic connections with your children that allow you to empower emotional regulation and resilience. This episode is truly invaluable for each and every parent, whether your children have behavioral challenges or you just have teenagers who love to ignore authority. Click play to receive practical tools and resources to strengthen your family's bond in the most challenging times you will face.

Today I continue my conversation with my special guest, Lisa Chan, who is a Child Behavior Expert and Parenting Coach with over a decade of experience as a Pediatric Occupational Therapist. She specializes in helping parents navigate challenging behaviors using a holistic approach rooted in sensory integration, neuroscience, and child development. Lisa is passionate about empowering parents with practical strategies to support emotional regulation, executive functioning, and sensory needs in their children. Through her coaching, online resources, and social media content, she provides compassionate, evidence-based guidance to families looking for real solutions. Book a session with me: https://calendly.com/parentinghsc Website: parentinghsc.com Donate towards podcast production: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/parastoo Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5107827046012507 Instagram: parastooparentinghsc Book: Doctor Elaine Aron, Highly Sensitive Children Portrait Photographer, Laurie Bishop: www.becomebeseen.com (Use Promo Code Parastoo100)

Today I have a special guest, Lisa Chan, who is a Child Behavior Expert and Parenting Coach with over a decade of experience as a Pediatric Occupational Therapist. She specializes in helping parents navigate challenging behaviors using a holistic approach rooted in sensory integration, neuroscience, and child development. Lisa is passionate about empowering parents with practical strategies to support emotional regulation, executive functioning, and sensory needs in their children. Through her coaching, online resources, and social media content, she provides compassionate, evidence-based guidance to families looking for real solutions. Book a session with me: https://calendly.com/parentinghsc Website: parentinghsc.com Donate towards podcast production: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/parastoo Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5107827046012507 Instagram: parastooparentinghsc Book: Doctor Elaine Aron, Highly Sensitive Children Portrait Photographer, Laurie Bishop: www.becomebeseen.com (Use Promo Code Parastoo100)

Imagine preparing for a family gathering while navigating the intricate world of parenting a neurodiverse child. The noise, the chaos, and the unsolicited advice often threaten to overwhelm. Through this heartfelt episode, we promise to equip you with strategies to create a compassionate and supportive environment for your family. We are thrilled to welcome Lisa Chan, a dedicated pediatric occupational therapist from Canada, who shares her expertise in helping children with autism, ADHD, and sensory processing challenges. Lisa illuminates the importance of early intervention and emphasizes the need for an integrated approach, where parents are active participants in their child's journey.Parenting neurodiverse children isn't just about managing behaviors; it's about understanding the underlying causes and decoding them effectively. Our discussion touches on the delicate balance of responsibilities, the stress of perceived unfairness among siblings, and the dynamics of communication within partnerships. Discover how to set boundaries with well-meaning but misinformed relatives, maintain confidence in your parenting choices, and foster resilience and independence in your children. We delve into transforming family dynamics by building consistency, setting realistic expectations, and embracing community support.Join us as we unravel the challenges neurodiverse families face and explore practical tips and personal anecdotes to improve family harmony. Learn how to navigate the emotional journey from isolation and guilt to building confidence and understanding. Our conversation with Lisa provides invaluable insights into the "five whys" technique, empowering you to uncover the root causes of behaviors and transform daily routines into cooperative environments. Don't miss the opportunity to become part of our Send Parenting Tribe, a community where we celebrate both challenges and successes in a judgment-free space.Click here for Lisa Chan's websiteClick here to join the SEND Parenting Community on WhatsApp#neurodiversitypodcast #parentingpodcast #familypodcast #teacherpodcastwww.sendparenting.com

What comes to mind when you hear “Wives, submit to your husbands” or “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church”? For many, this instruction from Ephesians can feel outdated or even uncomfortable in today's culture. But what if we're missing something crucial by viewing these words through a modern lens? In this teaching, Francis and Lisa Chan show us how true biblical authority isn't about control or power but about sacrificial love and humble service—modeled perfectly by Christ.

What if the secret to a thriving family life isn't about getting everything right, but about being continually filled with the Holy Spirit? In this week's teaching, Francis and Lisa Chan explore how being Spirit-filled can radically shape your home, your marriage, and even the future of your children. And they'll share how following God's design for marriage brings unity and strength in ways the world often overlooks.

Aaron and Bella are back with another edition of No Suck Saturday: five stories that objectively don't suck (including one about a baby, a random woman on an airplane, and crocheting). They also study a good, but rather meandering chapter of Francis and Lisa Chan's book, "You and Me Forever."

Have you ever thought about how your lifestyle can reflect your values? Today, in part 2 of last week's message, Francis and Lisa Chan share what the Scriptures teach on marriage and purity, stressing the importance of living a life that honors God. They also reminded us of the power of repentance, the promise of forgiveness, and a fresh start.

What would you consider the most effective way to transform your marriage? In this week's episode, Francis and Lisa Chan walk us through their experiences as a married couple and as parents. They help unravel the secret to both a fulfilling marriage and joyful parenting by pointing us to the only place that matters, the heart of Christ.

Have you ever asked yourself, “What is beautiful in God's eyes?” In today's episode, Francis and Lisa share about some of their struggles and failures in marriage, the beauty of a gentle and lowly spirit, and an unashamed declaration of what God says about marriage.

For those of us that have been married for a few years, you may have discovered that some marriage issues have nothing to do with your marriage. In today's teaching, Francis and Lisa Chan share their greatest hope and a key to marriage that's far more valuable than better communication skills or parenting strategies – it's seeing God for who He truly is.

As we grow in unity of the Spirit, Jimmy and Laura Seibert sit down with Francis and Lisa Chan and Michael Rodriguez to talk about what does unity of Spirit look like in marriage relationships.

I know Valentine's Day has passed, but I've still got love on the brain. I've been thinking about ways to bless my husband, how to get creative with limited time for date nights, and the like. Maybe you are too. Sometimes it's easier to focus on the kids and connecting with our significant other can end up by the wayside and we can drift apart. This episode features my conversation with my friend Chelsea Klotz about caring for your spouse and working through co-parenting and conflict (which often go hand in hand). She and her husband Will have been married for 13 years and they actually counseled Diego and me before we got married, so believe me when I saw she's got some gold to share. And if you're listening and your life looks very different than ours, I'd encourage you to listen anyway and consider the things we touch on: conflict, prioritizing a committed relationship, and finding joy in everyday life. I appreciated the stories Chelsea shared of marriage struggles through different seasons of their family and great ideas for connecting with your person in busy times. As a sneak peek, here are a few of my top takeaways: "You can always go on a walk", "What's one small thing I can do today to love my spouse?", fight for date nights as often as you can, and push yourself to stay connected and keep the conversation going when conflict makes you want to pull away. Extra Stuff: This is the first in the 4-part podcast series Chelsea shared on choosing what type of school is best for them: https://www.risenmotherhood.com/podcast-episodes/ep-93-how-should-we-educate-our-children-the-case-for-freedom-part-1?rq=freedom%20in%20education These are the Bible verses she referenced about patience, forgiveness, and hope in relational conflict: Proverbs 19:11, Revelation 21:23. Here are the marriage books she recommended: This Momentary Marriage: A Parable of Permanence (John Piper) When Sinners Say I Do: Discovering the Power of the Gospel for Marriage (Dave Harvey) The Meaning of Marriage: Facing the Complexities of Commitment with the Wisdom of God (Tim Keller) You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity (Francis & Lisa Chan)

In all of human relationships, marriage is the one expression that God wants to be a picture of Christ and the Church. That's a high calling! In today's episode, Francis and Lisa Chan share some of the lessons that they've learned about their marriage at the Antioch Marriage Conference. We pray that this message encourages you and helps you to see your marriage through the lens of the mission and Kingdom of God.

Anyone who is a parent knows parenting can be a struggle. Have you ever found yourself worn and weary, wondering if the fight will be worth it?On top of all the everyday struggles that parents face, how do you parent Biblically in today's culture?Today on Abiding Free, you'll find insight into all of those questions and more.In this week's episode, Shannon sits down with Lisa Chan to discuss the role of parenting biblically in today's culture. Lisa co-wrote the book You and Me Forever: Marriage in the Light of Eternity with her husband, Francis. The pair has been married for 29 years and has seven children and three grandchildren.There are so many things fighting for our children's attention, and it takes disciplined effort to walk by the Spirit and raise them with a solid background of faith and the Word. This is a task that is not always easy, but one we cannot take lightly. We know today's episode will uplift and encourage you to be the parent God has called and equipped you to be! Look to Him in all things; He will give you guidance and strength.Episode Highlights: Intro to Lisa ChanDesiring Salvation for our childrenParenting in today's cultureSocial Media and Cell PhonesReading the WordFind more on Mr. Pen products:Amazon.com : mr. pen storeInstagram: Mr. Pen (@gomr.pen) • Instagram photos and videosUse ABIDING10 at checkout for 10% off Mr. Pen products!Find more on Lisa Chan:You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of EternityLisa Chan on Desiring GodFind More on Abiding Free:Instagram: @abidingfreeFollow us on FacebookCheck out our Website HEREContact: abidingfree@gmail.comDigital Detox Book*Disclosure: Some links are Amazon affiliate links and a small portion of your purchase will come back to us while your cost remains the same.

This episode is pack with joy, truth, and love as our host, Haley Klockenga, chats with author, Lisa Chan. Lisa is married to Francis Chan and together they wrote “You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity.” They have been married for almost 30 years, have seven children, and have dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching the Gospel. Topics this episode covers… Things Lisa + Francis have said no to in their marriageHow Lisa + Francis tackle disagreements and misunderstandingsEncouragement for women who desire a Godly marriage, but their spouse has different beliefs … And so much more! Shop our website: https://glamourfarms.com   Connect with The Podcast on IG: http://instagram.com/glamourfarms.thepodcast/   Connect with Glamour Farms on IG: http://instagram.com/glamourfarmsboutique/   Connect with Haley on IG: http://instagram.com/haleyklockenga/   Crazy Love: https://crazylovebook.com

Join us as we continue with Part 3 of our “One Table” series where Francis and Lisa Chan along with apologists Vince and Jo Vitale unpack the topic of unity within the church. In today's episode, Francis shares about his recent trip to Israel, the impact it made in his view of scripture, the beauty of what God is doing uniting both Jewish and Palestinian believers, and what it means to live with a longing to see the Lord's return.

In the book of First Corinthians, Paul tells the church, “If anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he should know.” (8:2) In other words, if we think we know it all, we really don't know anything. So how do you know whether what you believe is true? Is it because you discovered it yourself and trust your own opinion? Or is there a better way? Francis and Lisa Chan unpack these questions with Vince and Jo Vitale in today's episode – the second discussion in our “One Table” series.

Join Francis and Lisa Chan for a series of honest conversations with Vince and Jo Vitale about a seemingly impossible dream: unity in the Church. In this episode, the Chans and Vitales probe into some foundational questions around pursuing unity: How can we ask honest questions about what we or others believe, despite our fears of being judged by others or facing our own doubts? How can we walk in constant humility to learn from those different from us without compromising the essentials? Is it naive to hope that the Church could ever be united again around one table?

Lisa joins the show and shares how she's grown into a policy expert during the 2000s and how Transform Health got its start in Sacramento. Lisa typically is the facilitator of meetings and discussions, but it's great to have her "on the other side" to hear her story as well as she and Transform Health are literally transofrming healthcare in California and througout the country, including a focus on Medicaid waivers.

Lisa Chan花了一年半時間，出版了一本中英雙語音樂書，最初是為一歲大的女兒學中文，但出版後，不僅女兒每日會看，連丈夫的中文都有進步，目前作品發行至香港售賣，也令她成為澳洲寥寥可數的中英雙語作家之一。

Lisa Chan花了一年半時間，出版了一本中英雙語音樂書，最初是為一歲大的女兒學中文，但出版後，不僅女兒每日會看，連丈夫的中文都有進步，目前作品發行至香港售賣，也令她成為澳洲寥寥可數的中英雙語作家之一。

While the eviction moratoriums put in place early on during the COVID pandemic was a lifesaver for untold thousands living in the Bay Area, these restrictions are pretty much expired in California. Except for the city of Oakland and Alameda County. For small landlords - private home owners who rent to tenants - going more than two years without rent payments has created a financial nightmare. KCBS Radio's Lisa Chan and Matt Pitman report from the east bay. Watch the full story here. Subscribe to Bay Current on the Audacy app, Apple podcasts, or Google podcasts. Bay Current is on YouTube, on the KCBS Radio YouTube page.

To anyone with experience…raising children can have its difficulties, but even in those times, God's immeasurable greatness can still be felt. In this week's episode we continue with Part 2 of a question and answer session between Francis and Lisa Chan and members from YWAM Kona. The Chan's share their experiences raising their 7 children, lessons they've learned individually and as a family and how the overwhelming goodness of God can be seen all throughout. We pray that this message brings you nearer to Him and gives you a fresh revelation of the worth of Jesus.

If you had the opportunity to ask Francis and Lisa Chan a question about relationships, what would it be? In this week's episode we begin a 2 part message with Francis and Lisa as they answer a few unscripted questions from some of the young leaders from YWAM Kona. The Chan's share their heart on dating, marriage, and how to keep Jesus at the center of it all. We appreciate you joining us this week. We pray that you find this episode especially encouraging snd that it brings you closer in your walk with the Lord. 

Sam Allberry reminds us to not make an idol of romantic love. Francis and Lisa Chan encourage us to look at married love in light of eternity.

It was captured in an iconic photo that was on the front page of the newspaper and went viral across the world. On March 11 2005, Kevin Berthia was ready to end it all. Now he has dedicated his life to helping those contemplating suicide, as living proof that there is hope. Bay Current host and KCBS Radio's Lisa Chan report. Subscribe to Bay Current on the Audacy app, Apple podcasts, or Google podcasts. Bay Current is on YouTube, on the KCBS Radio YouTube page.

Lisa Chan is on the show today! Lisa is an Occupational Therapist for children. On her Instagram, she gives simple, practical and fun ideas for families. In this episode, we talk about some basic occupational therapy tactics that Lisa uses in her own practice. She gives us some really good ideas about helping children learn ... Read moreEpisode 53: Lisa Chan – Tips from an occupational therapist

Lisa Chan's mission is to enlightenment women to be liberated in their sexuality through the creation of through TrufElle, and kind of this infused aphrodisiac chocolate that she is able to share the tools that re-ignite that feeling of intensity for couples. Lisa holds an MBA in Solder School of Business at UBC and has established business in the field of real estate development. TOPICS DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE: ✅ How to ignite relationships ✅ Becoming vulnerable ✅ Tips to growing a business

The Grace of Submission Ephesians 5:21 July 18, 2021 I. Introduction: A. Today I want to talk about one of the most beautiful and Christ-like graces, a grace that should be at the heart of all our relationships as Christians 1. I call it a grace because it is a byproduct of being filled by the Holy Spirit of God. 2. This grace is also very anti-North American which goes against the very “independent” “me first” culture we live in. 3. It is a grace that has gotten a bad rap in the church by those who are more influenced by the culture than they are by the Scriptures 4. This grace is submission. B. Turn in your Bibles to Ephesians 5 1. We learned a few months ago when we studied this passage that being filled with the Holy Spirit manifest four specific graces within us and these graces both are the result of and when practiced reinforce us be filled by the Holy Spirit! 2. These four graces are: a) A heart fill with God's Word and speaking it to one another b) A singing heart of worship to the Lord c) A heart of gratitude d) A submission to one another in the body of Christ C. Our specific concern today is with v21, which is the fourth result of being filled with the Spirit! Read v21 1. We want to focus on that because it is the transitional verse that drives the relationships that follows in the rest of chapter 5 and start of chapter 6, which defines how we each submit to each other. a) Husband – wife (love by laying down your life – respect by submitting to the leadership of) b) Child - parent c) Servant – master, for us employee - employer D. Submission simply means to rank oneself under someone else. 1. A synonym, a word with a similar meaning is: humility. Turn and read Philippians 2:3-9 2. While obedience is a part of submission, submission in this passage has an additional element to it that makes it very different. a) Submission here is a willful and respectful act that comes from within between two people who have a bond with each other. (1) Here it is done out of a motive of love and respect for the Lord. Reread v21 (2) Ultimately, we submit to each other for the Lord's sake, out of respect for Him and the structures and order that He has set up in our relationships. b) Obedience – can be done as a mere external act only, one that does not require either a willingness or a bond between the people doing it. E. So bottom line, submission is a grace that causes me to put myself below others with humility rather than lifting myself up and fighting for my ways and rights. 1. It goes right for the heart of selfishness which marriage certainly allows us to get in touch with how selfish we can be 2. It upsets our flesh as Romans 8 says the mind set on the flesh does not subject itself to the law of God! • Since submission is right at the heart of the way we relate to one another in marriage, and a life of submission requires a life filled with the Holy Spirit! So our … II. Marriage requires a deep dependence upon the Holy Spirit. A. Remember our context – read Ephesians 5:18-21 B. When you think back of everything we have already talked about with marriage … 1. Building on God's foundations rather than our own and looking for marriage to make us more holy than happy. 2. Where I study my mate to be able to bless them and accept them and embrace them as they are today, not who we were when we got married 3. Living it like a covenant rather than a contract where I lay down my entire life to live for them. 4. Learning to do the dance of oneness where I see and value their differences as a blessing. 5. Where wives submit to and respect their husbands and husbands love and cherish their wives! 6. Even today's truth where we live humbly with each other, willingly submitting our lives to each other for the Lord's glory and each other's benefit. C. If we are honest with ourselves, we will need God to do a miracle within us to pull this thing off in a way that will be fulfilling to us and a blessing to our mates and others! 1. What is impossible for us is Him-possible! 2. As we said earlier in this series, marital skills are important but depending upon the Spirit of Jesus is essential. D. Walking with and depending upon the spirit of Jesus has to be our number one priority and relationship for the sake of the person we are married to and even our own fulfilment and joy in marriage. But we must also seek to learn more and sharpen our skills as well! • Finally this series is being done III. More as an architect than an engineer. A. An architect makes the blueprints for a buildings appearance and function. An engineer, on the other hand, will help put the architect's plans into action. They will figure out what is physically possible and what materials will be used. They'll also make decisions on issues of practicality and safety. B. I know I am giving this series more like an architect as I lay out the biblical blue print for marriage as to how it is to look and function. I have tried to throw in some applications that move us more into the engineer realm. 1. The Holy Spirit is the engineer that takes our real life situations and relationships, brokenness and uniquenesses and shows us how they work out for us practically in our unique relationship and situation. 2. The Holy Spirit uses all sorts of different materials, people and practices to teach us how God's design for marriage, which we learn in the Bible, is to work out in the streets of our daily life. C. So being fully aware that every marriage in this room needs unique wisdom to apply what they have learned and knowing that some of those are in crisis or heading that way and desperately need help I want to close by giving you a few resources that can help you engineer your marriage D. Three books I have read 1. Cherish – Gary Thomas –teaches us what it looks like and practical ideas on how to love our mates more out of the delight and want to of cherishing than they have to of commitment! 2. You and Me Forever – Francis and Lisa Chan – takes the long view on marriage all the way into eternity and rather than focusing on getting our mates ready for retirement and the last few years here on earth how to get them ready for the time we stand before Jesus. Living our marriage as part of our mission for Jesus! 3. His Needs Her Needs – Willard Harley – his goal is to help us build a marriage that lasts and to affair proof our marriages by helping us understand what are practical ways to meet each other's unique emotional needs! He helps us understand our love tanks and the five top emotional needs of most men and women! 4. Finally, any book on marriage will do. Read a chapter a week, then together have a cup of coffee, and share with one another how God is speaking to you about you through that chapter. There are hundreds of books and hundreds of areas in marriage that need to be addressed! E. Round table coming up 11:15 on August 22 1. Bottom line, we want to help and resource marriage to either build, maintain, excel or address breakdowns in their marriage through practical, real life, on the streets questions and advice. 2. We hope to have an updated resource list for those who have needs beyond our ability to meet. 3. Take advantage of this, as we will be having two Christians who are professional counselors on this round table as well as Kim and myself! 4. Make your questions super practical and super honest! To place a question text marriage to 708 359 6610 F. Plugging into a mentor is like putting your relationship on steroids. 1. Someone further down the road than you that you can be honest with and they can speak specifically to you right where you are at and what they have learned. 2. Look around and ask! G. A professional counselor may be needed for situations that are in crisis or are just stuck! 1. That professionally trained and biblically knowledgeable counselor can give you great wisdom to get you unstuck and excel in your marriage H. Plug into a class, small group or seminar that will help you grow as a healthy person or in your marriage 1. Emotional resilience on Tuesday nights here. The healthier you are the healthier your marriage can be. 2. We have a series on finances that MVC now has on You Tube and will still be offering more. Money is one of the major marriage stressors 3. Being in a small group and being honest with others about where you are at for counsel, support and prayer is a great resource. I. Prayer – allow us to put one hand on God and the other on our marriage and bring the wisdom and power of God into our marriages! 1. After service 2. Partner or two

The Mitchaels talk about relationships, adoption and intentionality in family dynamics. Commitment changes things! New challenges, new blessings. The Josh and Andrea's advice? Remain teachable along the way. Ask for help and keep adapting. When's the last time you enjoyed your kids? Learn more about our Next Steps Classes, ownership and how to get involved on our Dream Team serve teams: https://coastalcommunity.tv/nextsteps Recommended Resources: You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity by Francis and Lisa Chan: https://www.amazon.com/You-Me-Forever-Marriage-Eternity/dp/0990351408 The Body Keeps the Score: Brain Mind and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel Van Der Kolk M.D. https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/coastalchurch/message

Welcome to the first episode of our Take Two series! It was so hard to choose episodes to highlight over the past four (FOUR?!) seasons, but we've narrowed it down to a few that we'll show you over the next several weeks. This episode discusses Chapter 5 of Francis and Lisa Chan's book, *You and Me Forever*, as well as some of the good and hard of Matt and Laurie's own story! Get ready for a good one guys, we're excited to revisit this! I Do the Next Thing I You can check out *You and Me Forever* by Francis and Lisa Chan at this link! https://www.youandmeforever.org Hear more of Laurie and Matt's story in *An Impossible Marriage*. Find the book at this link! https://lauriekrieg.com/product/an-impossible-marriage-what-our-mixed-orientation-marriage-has-taught-us-about-love-and-the-gospel/ You can also check out Laurie's story on Remnant Radio and the Happy Hour podcasts! * The Remnant Radio: https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/the-remnant-radio/the-remnant-radios-podcast/christian-discuss-lgbtq-subjects-with-laurie-krieg/41bf747e-2cec-4218-acd6-860419d9e3b5 * The Happy Hour: https://jamieivey.com/hh363/ Here are a few of the episodes that were “Runner's Up” for our favorites! * Episode 111: Can't We All Just Get Along with David Bennet - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/cant-we-all-just-get-along/ * Episode 167: The Social Garden with Greg Coles - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/the-social-garden-with-greg-coles/ * Episode 107: Why Male Friendships are Challenging with Sam and Blaine Eldredge - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/why-male-friendships-are-challenging/ * Episode 152: Are Women Responsible for Male Lust? with Rachel Joy Welcher - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/are-women-responsible-for-male-lust-with-rachel-joy-welcher/ * Episode 96: Healthy Community (& Touch) As a Single Person with Meg Baatz - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/healthy-community-and-touch-as-a-single-person/ * Episode 157: Gen Z's Sex, Marriage, and Singleness Questions with Sean McDowell - https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/gen-zs-sex-marriage-and-singleness-questions-with-sean-mcdowell/ Do you need “a friend in the trenches”? Sign up for a coaching session with Laurie here! https://lauriekrieg.com/product/one-coaching-session-with-laurie/ Also, have you seen our new favorite Bible yet? Check it out here! https://csbholylandillustratedbible.com

In this episode, we get to know Lisa Chan, Head of Software Engineering & DevOps at PETRONAS. She takes us through how she ended up in DevOps by accident, doing business in the next normal and what she's most excited for in 2021. Also, what about a dancing elephant? 

The bedroom represents the place of intimacy and sexuality. Whether a person is single or married, purity should be protected here (Hebrews 13:4). This message should define God-honoring sex and urge people to let Jesus enter to forgive, heal, purify and satisfy.Sex was God's idea. And it was a good one. But like with everything good, the Devil— the ruler of this world—seeks to distort and destroy sex in order to steal the goodness of what God intended. Jesus desires for us to honor God with both passion and purity.Scripture Passages:John 8:10-11, Genesis 1:27-28, Genesis 2:24, Mark 10:6-8, Proverbs 5:15-20, Galatians 6:9, Hebrews 13:4, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20, Mark 10:7-9, 2 Corinthians 5:17Reflection Questions:What do you need the Spirit to provide for you here?What do you need to do in this part of your life?Additional Resources: Book: Intimacy Ignited by Joseph and Linda Dillow Book: You and Me Forever by Francis and Lisa Chan Resource: Covenant Eyes (internet accountability) Class: Alpha's “The Marriage Course” Go to: bpri.church/classes

We had a great discussion about infertility and adoption with Cynthia.  We pray that you are encouraged by her story and God's faithfulness through the process. Books we talked about: When Empty Arms Become a Heavy Burden You and Me Forever - Francis and Lisa Chan

Uncompromising Obedience.

Thanks for joining us for another episode of our podcast! This episode is a conversation about RACE, and why we need to check ourselves, and our thoughts on race. Books on Race We read this great book called Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria by Beverly Daniel Tatum, PhD. She discusses race in such a way that makes you really try to understand the many issues faced by our Black and Brown brothers and sisters. We highly recommend this book for you to start thinking about your biases in race. At Showit, we have been talking about race quite a bit. Showit is a sponsor of this podcast, and we are proud users, and supporters, and employees of Showit! Read this blog article that further discusses this book by Tatum. This article is very helpful in educating us about how to talk about race with our children, and having more books with diversity on our shelves. This is SO IMPORTANT as foster and adoptive families. Not everyone in your family will ‘match’, and that’s a beautiful things! But can your kids find positive representations of themselves in the books and toys in your home? And even if everyone in your home is Caucasian, it is still a good idea to have books written by authors of color, and protagonists of color as well! Hair Care for Ethnic Hair We would love for you to check out this YouTube video that we created with our friends Shamesha (her husband, Reggie, was on episode 37) and Shamara. They run us through how to care for hair of different textures. Especially multi-ethnic and ethnic hair. Did you know hair can be classified into 4 types? It’s important to know what hair types you and your children have, so that you can get the right products for each hair type! The brands that Shamara and Shamesha love are Mielle, Aunt Jackie’s, and As I Am . The main thing to remember is to keep Type 2-4 hair (curly) very moisturized! We often hear people criticizing pics of little Black children in the care of non-Black parents, saying ‘that child’s hair is not being taken care of!’ But maybe you don’t know what Black, or curly, or any hair besides your own, is supposed to look like! That’s when it’s time to ask questions and seek out resources! (But also, can we stop criticizing so much, and try to start helping and educating??) Thanks SO MUCH to Shamesha and Shamara for their time and expertise in this area! More Thoughts Can we out-serve one another? Let’s just give that a try and see how things go. When we are serving others with a good heart – we aren’t looking out for ourselves. We are looking out for others. And if you live your life this way, with boundaries and wisdom, but also faith and love – we promise that others will try to out-serve you! We got this idea from Francis and Lisa Chan’s book – You and Me Forever. You can download this book for free! Don’t be color blind. Don’t be satisfied with being ‘not-racist’. Be anti-racist! Be an ally for our Black and Brown brothers and sisters who need our help and support! And as adoptive and foster parents, Beverly Tatum challenges us all with this thought: “Do not let your child be your first friend of color.” She has a whole section on ‘Identity in Adoptive Families Considered’ in her book, pages 321-328. She very hopefully says: “Adults willing to do the personal work required to confront racism and stretch their own cultural boundaries increase the possibility that they will have the reward of watching their children emerge into adulthood with a positive sense of their identities intact.” (328) Follow Therepy Redeemed for lots of great information on adoption and transracial adoption. As well as Hey TRA (transracial adoptee). The more we know, the more we can all grow – and support our adoptive and foster children of color. I talked about how Kevinee Gilmore, of Hashtag Foster Care, and I had a rough beginning to our relationship. But I am very thankful for her, and her heart for foster youth! She has a shop that you can support, and be confident that you are supporting a true champion of foster kids in Ohio! Podcasts We Listen To Chris is a member of the Footclan, because he listens to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. We are thankful for these 3 friends (they aren't Chris' friends. Chris is their friend, but they don't know that) who have helped Chris will tens of tens of dollars over the years. #hundredaire Jihae listened to the Michelle Obama Podcast, which is only available on Spotify! The first episode with special guest – Barack Obama, was a real treat! If you care about community, and purpose, and people – you will enjoy this episode! Michelle Obama, the Footballer guys, and other podcasters are not our competition! We love listening to podcasts, and are always thankful for anyone who listens to ours. Feel free to let us know which podcasts you guys are listening to! The Good of the Day This is from Carlos Whittaker, an author we greatly admire. He wrote Kill The Spider, which we talked about in an episode, but can’t remember which one… He also has a new book called Enter Wild, which we are also big fans of. Follow him @loswhite on Instagram to learn more about how to talk about race, and be aware of the slight of our Black and Brown friends, as he himself is a Black and Brown man. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:2-6 Be humble and gentle! And patient! Let us love and care for one another and be unified in the Spirit. I believe in us. I believe in Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit. Let’s Connect! We hope you enjoyed this episode, and if you did – please leave us a review on iTunes! And feel free to email us at hello@fosteringvoices.com if you want to chat, or if have any questions or suggestions for us. Have a great week, friends! Fostering Voices on Instagram Jihae on Instagram and Chris on Facebook AND we would LOVE it if you would SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on iTunes! This helps others to find our podcast so we can share these voices from the foster care and adoption community with more people!          

You and Me Forever (Part 1) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 2) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 3) - Francis and Lisa ChanFamilyLife Today® Radio Transcript  References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. Don't Waste Your Marriage Guests:                      Francis and Lisa Chan        From the series:       You and Me Forever (Day 3 of 3)  Bob: Francis and Lisa Chan had not been married long when they started to think that their marriage needed to have more of an outward focus rather than an inward focus.  Francis: And we started letting people in the home and having people actually live with us. Ministry was in-house, and our kids saw it. The kids saw the miracles in these peoples' lives and the life-change. Discipleship was happening 24 hours a day in our home. We were missional. We were praying and saying, “God, what do You want us to do with this house?”—like everything was with an open hand, but I think that's what so few couples do—is they don't say, “Lord, what do You want?”  Instead, they think, “What do we want, and how can I justify that biblically?”   Bob: This is FamilyLife Today for Wednesday, January 24th. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. God can do some amazing things in the lives of couples and families who start to realize that marriage is about more than just the two of you.  1:00 We'll talk to Francis and Lisa Chan about that today. Stay with us.  And welcome to FamilyLife Today. Thanks for joining us. Before we dive right into what we're going to talk about today, we have just a couple days left in the special offer we're making to FamilyLife Today listeners. If you'd like to join us at one of our upcoming Weekend to Remember® marriage getaways coming to a city near where you live, you register before the end of the week and you'll save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. This is the last week we're making this offer—it's the best offer we make all year long. So, if you'd like to save some money and have a great getaway together, as a couple, this spring—we're going to be in more than 50 cities across the country this spring—plan to join us, and register now to take advantage of the special offer. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com—you can register online—or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to register or if you have any questions.  2:00 Block out a weekend where the two of you can just kind of tune into each other and tune everything else out for 48 hours. The FamilyLife® Weekend to Remember marriage getaway really is a great getaway weekend for couples, and we'd love to have you register this week so you can save some money. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to register.  Now, we have had Francis and Lisa Chan joining us this week. It's been fun to get a little dirt on this couple—you know—I mean, on their marriage.  Dennis: Well, on Francis. [Laughter] Francis— Bob: That's true. I don't know that we've gotten any dirt on Lisa.  Dennis: I don't think we've heard much on Lisa.  Lisa: Well, we don't have any more time. [Laughter]   Dennis: Welcome back to the broadcast.  Lisa: Thank you.  Dennis: Glad you're here.  Francis and Lisa Chan have written a book, You and Me Forever. It's all about marriage in light of eternity. In fact, you say something in your book, Francis, I want you just to comment on here.  3:00 You say that it's important to love Lisa in light of eternity. Explain to our listeners what you mean by that statement.  Francis: Yes; it's the same thing that the Apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15. He said, “If there is no resurrection from the dead, then, I am above all men most to be pitied,”—like: “I would live completely differently if there is no forever / if there is no eternity. Then, let's just enjoy—we'll just eat, drink, and] be merry. Let's just have a great little family / have a great time here on earth, and just think about us.”  But no—because there is a forever—now: “How do I love her in the greatest way?”   Dennis: —and because you are accountable to the God who made us. Francis: Yes; and made her for a reason!   Dennis: Right.  Francis: And He made this marriage for a reason—it was for Him. Everything was created by Him and for Him.  4:00 So, we—I mean, this is what differentiates / is supposed to differentiate us from the rest of the world—is that we're not living for this life. It's not about your best life right now. It's about: “No; I'm thinking about the future. I'm storing up treasure in heaven.”  Don't waste your time just building up and storing up treasures on earth, where someone is going to steal it, or it's going to fall apart, and you've got to insure it and everything else. Store up this treasure in heaven. Really believe that you are going to be rewarded a hundred times anything you sacrifice.  If I am thinking about Lisa's forever and her future, then, I'm going to live a lot differently right here.  Bob: Lisa, I had the opportunity, a number of years ago, to go to a group of friends. I said, “If you were going to share a passage from the Bible about marriage with a couple just getting started—and it couldn't be Ephesians 5, couldn't be 1 Peter 3, couldn't be Colossians 3—kind of the big ones that we all go to / couldn't go there—what passage would you share with them?”  5:00 And two guys that I asked the question to, independently, gave me the same verse. It was one that really surprised me. It was out of Psalm 34. They said, “I used this verse to propose to my wife.” It was the verse that says, “O, magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt His name together.” They said: “We wanted to start our marriage saying, ‘This is what we're getting married to do—to magnify the Lord together and exalt His name together.'  That's the mission. That's the purpose statement for our marriage.”   I thought to myself, “I want to go back and do it over—I want to propose with that verse in mind,” because I wasn't smart enough, when I got married, to have that at the center of what I was all about.  Lisa: Yes; you know, it's interesting because I just spoke, last week, for a group with young moms. I was reminding them: “You are more than a mother. You are more than a wife. You are a child of God. You are here for Him.”  6:00 And I know we are talking about marriage right now; but I was trying to get them to think outside of—even just in their everyday life: “You belong to God. You are here”—like it says in Ephesians 2:10, I think it is—“You are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, to do good works that He prepared in advance…”—right?   Well, afterward, one of the moms comes up and she just says: “You know, my husband and I—we both work fulltime. We are kind of stuck. We have these jobs, and this house, and these cars. We want to serve the Lord, but…”—but—you know? I'm thinking, “Wow!”   We were just talking about how we need to back things up and get people like that, who think beforehand, who—young people who will say: “You know what?  Our marriage is going to be about a mission. Our marriage is going to be about the fact that we are here for God. So, we are going to make different choices. We are going to set our life up in a way that gives us total freedom to do whatever God asks of us.”  7:00 And that is a message I long to get out to people who haven't done it yet—who aren't stuck right now.  Dennis: There are a lot of couples who are trapped.  Lisa: Yes.  Dennis: They are ensnared.  Lisa: Yes; and there is nothing worse than not being able to tell the Lord, “I will do anything or go anywhere for You.”  That should be true of each of us, scary as it is. I'm not saying it's not. I'm fearful sometimes of what the Lord will ask me to do; but I'm more afraid of not being able to do what He asks me to do. Who are we here for?!   Dennis: So, Lisa, as you and Francis started your marriage, how much on mission were you, at that point?  Did your marriage start with this agreement that you were going to be a part of the Great Commission / being a part of proclaiming Jesus Christ to a lost world?   Lisa: Yes; I think because it was almost unintentional in some ways. I don't think I personally was thinking about discipleship and really putting my mindset, intentionally, on, “How many women am I going to disciple and bring to the Lord?”  8:00 It was more—we jumped onto this mission that God had given us in starting the church.  I thank God for that because I think, in a way, for me, it inadvertently put me on a mission. Our marriage started out that way—and then, this growing sense of: “What we are here for, and why we are here” and the joy that came from, all of a sudden, we are pouring our lives out for these other people—loving them/discipling them. We were put in a position of leadership, and we needed to lead. So, it was so good for me—I'm so grateful for it—but the intentional mindset grew. It wasn't so much for me there, right in the beginning.  Dennis: Francis, what about you?   Francis: Because of my upbringing, and because my parents and everyone died at such a young age, I had more of an eternal focus. I just woke up, thinking: “Okay; this could be my last day. What am I going to do?”—you know.  9:00 “Let me do whatever the Lord wants me to do today.” It was my focus, and I was trying to bring Lisa, who had had a different upbringing—and again, no fault to her / no fault to her parents. I mean, that's the typical American church teaching—is: “This is all about you. Let us cater to your needs. What kind of programs do you want in the church?” You know, it's all about you.  So, it's just—it was trying to get us deeply into the Scriptures and say: “Now, what is this about?  Why are we still alive?  Why am I breathing right now?  Someone is letting me breathe right now, and I'm breathing for Him. I want to do everything for His glory.”  So, I did have some of that intensity in me from the onset, I think, from a young age because of what God let me experience.  Bob: Well, it's one thing for two people, who have that passion, individually, to get married. The blending of that together and making it “our passion together, as a couple,” as opposed to “my passion,” and “your passion,” and we share a supper table and a bed.  10:00 How have you merged mission together in marriage?   Lisa: I grew up—I wanted to be a singer—I sang in our church / I did some studio recordings. When we first—we'd been married a few months—I was approached with this production deal; right?  These guys were going to record me, produce me, [and] put me out there. I say that because my mission—if you want to call it that, or my dream, was: “I'm going to be a recording artist. I'm going to sing, and get to travel, and do this.”  And here was my husband, whom God had called to start a church. I felt the Lord very gently saying: “You need to lay that down, because I can't have you going in two separate directions. It makes no sense. Be on mission together. Don't have two separate things that you're doing—that's going to pull you apart.”   11:00 Bob: If you think—and I know this is—no one knows; but if you think / had you made the other choice—let's say you decided: “You know, let's just see where this goes. You do the church, and I'm going to do the recording thing. We'll…” What do you think might have happened? Lisa: I don't know what would have happened. I think what would have not happened is that we wouldn't have been so united by our purpose, and I would have missed out on God moving and working through the both of us, and I would have missed out on being able to be in this supporting role that actually ended up bringing me a lot more blessing than what this lime-light would have possibly given me.  I think, years later, as he would speak—and then there were times I would come up and follow his message with a song—and I remember just feeling the joy of: “Wow, Lord; You've let me still use my gift for You, but in the context of joining my husband in ministry rather than being down by myself, isolated on my own road.” 12:00 Dennis: Let's talk about, for a moment, just a person, who's slugging out life, as a couple. They are going, “You guys are talking about mission.”  How can they get started, Francis, to begin to share—and that's what I want them to catch—they'd be infected with a love for Christ, but also, being locked arm / locked step together, as a couple, defined around that purpose of the Great Commission?   Bob: And can they be on mission together if they are living in the suburbs and they've got two kids and—you know, kind of the ordinary life—or does being on mission mean: “No; you've got to abandon it all. Move somewhere else and live somewhere else in some other way”?   Dennis: Yes.  Francis: Yes—no. I mean, because we live in the city—and we did live in the suburbs, and I believe we were missional—but we—the idea is surrendering everything—like we've talked about—to say, “God, this is Your house.”  I mean, where do we see in Scripture that you are allowed to not show hospitality and say: “No; this is my home. No one else is allowed in it”?   13:00 I mean, but that's the mindset I had when we first got married, though; because I remember her even discipling a gal, you know, after 5 o'clock. I was like, “Don't ever have her in our house after five,”—you know, because I believed that whole lie—that this home is protected, and we need our own time.  Bob: “My castle”; right?   Francis: Exactly!   Bob: Yes; right.  Francis: And then, you start reading Scripture and go, “Where in the world would you get that?” And we started letting people in the home and having people actually live with us. Ministry was in-house, and our kids saw it. The kids saw the miracles in these peoples' lives and the life-change. Discipleship was happening 24 hours a day in our home. I mean, we were missional. We were praying and saying: “God, what do You want us to do with this house?  Do You want us to move into a bigger house so we can take more people in?  Do You want us to sell the house, move into a smaller one, and give the money away?”—like everything is with an open hand, but I think that's what so few couples do—is they don't say, “Lord, what do You want?”    14:00 Instead they think, “What do we want, and how can I justify that biblically?”   Bob: So, the starting place for being on mission is to say: “It's not about me. It's about Him. It's: ‘What do You want?'” But a lot of couples will say, “Well, but I don't know what He wants; because I prayed and said, ‘Lord, whatever You want…' and I haven't heard anything yet.”   Francis: Well, I would say, “Open the Book”—not our book; you know?  [Laughter]  Yes; open that one too. You know, in the Scriptures—I mean, there are so many things—this is where we are so messed up, as a church, here in America—you know, being hearers of the Word and doing . You know, we're waiting for this voice from the Lord.  Well, true religion is to care for the widows and orphans in their distress. Go adopt a kid! Why don't you just assume adoption unless the Lord screams from heaven: “No; stop! Don't do it!”  Shouldn't we assume—if this is true religion—then, everyone should adopt? I mean, I'm saying, “Why do we always defer to inaction?”  15:00 We just assume, “I'll do nothing until I hear a voice from heaven.”  No; just open the Bible. Obey a verse—actually do it. If there is a voice from heaven telling you: “No; no matter what you do, don't help that widow,”—then, stop—but we do this opposite.  Dennis: And there are a lot of— Bob: There is no voice from heaven, going to say, “Don't help that widow”; right?   Dennis: Exactly. What I want our listeners to hear—there are a lot of ways to go near the orphan. You can go to the foster care system. They are in desperate need of foster care families. And frankly, the church of Jesus Christ ought to be emptying out the foster care system of children, in state after state, around our country. I mean, you don't have to adopt—you can just provide a family. For some of these kids, it may be the only family in their lifetimes—they ever see what real love is all about.  Francis: Yes; that makes absolutely no sense to me that there are half a million foster kids that no one wants. How many millions of churches are there?  16:00 You know, it's like we've got over a million churches, and we have half a million foster kids. That makes zero sense. So, if every other church adopted one, we'd take care of it; but that's how pathetic it is right now.  Lisa: The most paralyzing thing, I think, for us, as believers, is fear. We're so afraid of what might happen: “Well, what about my kids?  What if I bring someone in [and] something happens to them?”  And I just want to encourage people that I'm just as afraid as you. In fact, I told God: “I do not want a teenage foster child. I believe that what's best for us, in our family, is to take someone that's younger.”   What does the Lord bring to us but a teenage foster child? She has been the most amazing blessing. And if I talk about it for too long, I'll end up crying on the air; but just—you know, we cringe to think of saying, “No,” to that and what would have happened— Dennis: Right.  Lisa: —in her life. [Emotion in voice] But I'm telling you, honestly, on the front side, I did not want to do that.  17:00 But there is so much blessing in taking a step of faith. So, take a step of faith—maybe, even if it is not as grand as taking in a foster child. But do something that takes some faith. Go knock on your neighbor's door. Bring them dinner to say: “I want to show some love to you. Do you need help?  Can I help mow your lawn?”  Do some step of faith—take some action.  Dennis: You just mentioned something there—and I appreciate, so much, your passion and tender heart about this because Barbara and I share that. We have gone near the needs of orphans repeatedly. When you get near the orphan, you find the heart of God; and it's a good thing because we are orphans too. Apart from the gospel—God adopting us into His family—we're spiritual orphans.  Here's the question for both of you, Lisa and Francis. I like to ask people: “What's the most courageous thing you've ever done in all your life?” Courage is not battlefield courage, necessarily—it's doing your duty in the face of fear.  18:00 It's the very thing you were talking about. So, what would you say is the most courageous thing you've ever done, Lisa?   Lisa: The most courageous thing you can do is say, “Yes,” to something God is asking you to do that you are afraid of. There have been so many times—I scramble to think of which one to share. I think about the time when we invited a man, who had been in prison for six years, and his family of three kids—his wife and three kids—to move in with us—to give them our master bedroom, to move upstairs with our kids, and share that bathroom with all of them. That took a little bit of courage, and it took dying to ourselves. It took saying, “You can have my bedroom and my bathroom,”—which was, in one sense, so stupid and dumb but felt hard—and letting go of fear / letting go of fear—that's the most courageous thing to do.  If you are a scaredy-cat, like me, you have to preach the truth to yourself.  19:00 You have to preach verses like 2 Timothy 1:7: “For God gave us a spirit, not of fear, but of power and love and self-control.” I have to say the truth of God's Word to myself, all the time, because I will limit myself. I will refuse to say, “Yes,” to God and will be consumed with anxiety and fear in all these situations. But: “No; that is not from God. He gave us, not a spirit of fear, but of power, and love, and self-control.” So, choose to say, “Yes,” to God and to love someone.  Dennis: Alright; Francis, what is your most courageous thing you've ever done?   Francis: You know, it's funny. A lot of those things that scare me a little bit—but I'm not really that afraid of dying, or this, or that. You'll probably be surprised by this; but probably, the most courageous moments are—when I'm sitting on a plane with a stranger or talking to a neighbor—and I lay out the gospel, one on one, with them. That terrifies me. [Laughter]  20:00 That may just sound dumb to some people, but that's the hardest thing for me—to be rejected and to just throw—I can stand in front of 100,000 people in a stadium—no big deal! You put me, one on one, with someone that I know is not used to hearing about Jesus—and I'm going to lay it out for them—it still scares me to this day. It still takes courage.  Bob: Do you know how many people just went, “Oh, it's so good to hear him say that”? [Laughter]   Dennis: Here's what I want to share with you: “You're in good company.”   Bob: Yes.  Francis: Yes.  Dennis: We just recently asked a guy that same question—not just any guy—but a NASA astronaut, who was on the International Space Station. I asked him—he's been to outer space twice. So, he's strapped a rocket— Lisa: Right.  Dennis: —on and gone into outer space.  Bob: He floated out in nothing with the space suit and the tentacles on him; you know?     Dennis: Oh, yes—so, you with me?  I asked him the same question. It's like you—he's going, “Sharing my faith in Jesus Christ—" 21:00 Francis: Yes.  Dennis: —“is repeatedly the most courageous thing I ever do.”   Francis: Totally. And it's interesting—when I was younger, we didn't care for the poor. We didn't think about human trafficking—this or that. So, when we started doing that, that was a big deal; but now, that's not really a scary thing to do—that's very accepted / you know, you're a hero if you do this—but if you start sharing the gospel, you're going to get shutdown.  Dennis: Especially today; huh?   Francis: Amen!  It's—times are changing.  Dennis: Well, I just want to applaud you two and your book because I think you properly paint marriage with its noble, transcendent, God-imbued purpose—that we're made in His image, designed to reproduce a godly legacy, preach the gospel to the next generation, and glorify Him in all that we say and do. I just am glad you are using marriage to promote that kind of thinking because I think that's what's missing today.  22:00 Francis: Amen.  Dennis: I just want to thank you guys for being in the battle; and Lisa, for following this guy / for saying, “Yes,” to him— Bob: Crazy Francis; right?  That's— Dennis: Well, Crazy Love Francis.  Francis: There you go.  Bob: Maybe, just scrap the love part—I think Crazy Francis. [Laughter]   Dennis: But thank you guys for all you do.  Francis: Yes; thanks for having us.  Lisa: Yes; thank you very much.  Bob: We have copies of the book that Francis and Lisa have written. It's called You and Me Forever. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website—FamilyLifeToday.com—or call to order the book, You and Me Forever—1-800-358-6329—that's 1-800-“F” as in family, “L” as in life, and then the word, “TODAY.” And don't forget—this weekend is the wrap-up of the special offer we're making for FamilyLife Today listeners.  23:00 If you'd like to attend an upcoming Weekend to Remember marriage getaway—a two-and-a-half-day getaway for couples in a nice setting, where you can relax and unwind, and just have a couple of days together, focusing on your marriage—every marriage could use that; right? Well, if you'd like to save 50 percent off the registration fee, you need to sign up this week to take advantage of the special offer. You can sign up, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to register at 1-800-FL-TODAY. 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You and Me Forever (Part 1) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 2) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 3) - Francis and Lisa ChanFamilyLife Today® Radio Transcript  References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. Marriage for God's Glory Guests:                      Francis and Lisa Chan        From the series:       You and Me Forever (Day 2 of 3)  Bob: It was after a trip to Africa that Francis Chan came back to his home in the United States and told his wife he thought God wanted their family to downsize. Lisa wasn't so sure.  Lisa: I didn't want to give up my things. I didn't want to move into a smaller home. It was like this ripping that was happening. Of course, because God is so faithful—and every time, He says, “If you lose your life for My sake, you will find it,”—on the flip side is when I got to see the joy of it and, eventually, got to go to Africa with Francis. I was just brokenhearted at my own resistance and sinfulness because I wished I could have had those feelings [of joy] on the outset.  Bob: This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, January 23rd. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine.  1:00 Lisa Chan says that God's Word is true when it says, “Whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” That's true, even in marriage. We'll talk more about that today with Francis and Lisa Chan. Stay with us.   And welcome to FamilyLife Today. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. We've been hearing, both last week and again this week, from a lot of our listeners who are getting in touch with us about the special offer that expires this week on our Weekend to Remember® marriage getaways. For those of you who are new listeners to FamilyLife Today, the Weekend to Remember is the two-and-a-half-day getaway we do for couples in cities all across the country. It's a great romantic time away together, where you learn what the Bible teaches about God's design for marriage.  If you sign up for one of these getaways before the end of the week, you will save 50 percent off the regular registration fee as a FamilyLife Today listener.  2:00 We are encouraging you to get more information—go to FamilyLifeToday.com—find out when a getaway is going to be in a city near where you live and then block out that weekend, and call and register now to save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. The number to call is 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can also register online at FamilyLifeToday.com. I know some of these getaways are starting to get close to selling out, so don't hesitate. Join us at an upcoming Weekend to Remember marriage getaway, and register this week to save 50 percent off the regular registration fee.  Now, I've got to be honest—I'm not sure I want to talk to the couple we have joining us today, because they just shared with us they've had like 12 fights in the past 21 years. I'm kind of like, “Bring me some couples I can relate to a little more”; you know? [Laughter] 3:00 Dennis: Well, I was thinking: “We've been married double that. We've got more than 24, though,”—[Laughter]—doubling your dozen that you've had. Francis and Lisa Chan join us on FamilyLife Today. Welcome back.  Francis: Thank you.  Lisa: Thank you.  Dennis: They've written a book called You and Me Forever. In case there is a listener who doesn't know who this couple is—they live in the Bay Area of Northern California. They are about church planting there—also, ministering to men / I assume it's only men coming out of prison.  Francis: Yes; we've been trying to start a women's home as well. So, right now, it's just the guys coming out of prison.  Dennis: I want to go to something you mention in your book. You made this statement—you said, “If you could manuscript your prayers of what you've prayed about for the last month, what would they reveal about you, as a couple?”   Francis: So, it's like what David says in Psalm 27, verse 4, when he says, “This one thing I ask of the Lord and that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to inquire in His temple.”   4:00 That was his one prayer request: “God, I want You—I want You. I want to see You. I want to be with You.”   So, the question is: “Give me a manuscript of your prayers for the last month. I want to hear: ‘What do you hunger for? What do you want?' You're coming before the Creator, the Sovereign One, who is in control of this whole earth; and what are you asking for?”   Dennis: Yes.  Bob: And most of us are asking for: “Fix this,”— Francis: Yes.  Bob: —“Make life easier or better— Francis: Yes.  Bob: —“for me”; right?   Francis: Amen!  Bob: So, if that's—I mean, is it illegitimate for us to pray— Francis: No.  Bob: —“I'd like things to go better in my life”?   Francis: No; you know, it's—the Lord tells us to bring what we desire before Him; but also, the things that we desire reveal a lot about us; you know?  It opens our eyes to: “Wow! That's what I'm about?—is: ‘Get rid of all my problems,'”—because I don't see that in Scripture. It's more about, “God, give me the strength to make it through this—develop my character through these trials.”  You know, that's what I see in Scripture.  5:00 Lisa: How much of my prayers do I pray for Francis?  Do I pray for his walk with God?  Do I pray that God would help in his moments of temptation?  I mean, that's something that has developed in my life that softens my heart towards him—helps me to love him better. I want to be praying for him because who else is going to pray for him the way that I will?   Dennis: One of the things that I try to do, when I pray over my meal at lunch—I don't do it every time—but I try to pray for my wife Barbara and her walk—that she'll see God show up in her life, and she'll respond to Him, and she will grow in her faith. Then, if I'm having lunch with another guy, pray for his wife as well.  I don't think a lot of us are challenging one another with that concept, Francis—that you speak of in your book—of really making sure your prayers are about the agenda of what God's up to; because He is at work in your spouse's life, in your children, and in your extended family as well.  6:00 Francis: I just recently started running; you know?  I was getting out of shape; and so, I've been running around this track at my daughter's school. Every lap, I'll pray for a different kid. So, it's nice to have seven kids and a wife. [Laughter] It's, at least, two miles a day that I'm running, which is good. As I'm praying, the prayers aren't: “Oh, help us get along better,” or “Help this,” “Help that.”  It's like: “God, make my wife just this amazing warrior for you. Give her even greater love / greater capacity.” “Help my daughter, as she's in this school right now, to take a stand for you. It's about Your kingdom.” “Use them to influence other people—my kids in grade school / my kid in Little League—have him influence this team.” It's about God: “Your kingdom—Your kingdom come.”   Dennis: Lisa, tell the truth. When he starts praying like that— Lisa: Does it scare me?  [Laughter]   Dennis: —do you get scared?   Lisa: No; you know, my immediate thought was: “I'm so glad he's praying for me! I need it.”  That is, honestly, my first thought. [Laughter]   7:00 Bob: I want to go back—because you said your dad said, “No,” the first two times to Francis— Lisa: They are going to feel so bad about that. [Laughter]   Bob: But, as a daddy, I understand wanting to protect— Dennis: Oh, yes!   Bob: —my daughter— Dennis: Absolutely!  Bob: —and along comes Francis, who—as you said—they weren't sure if he was crazy about God or just crazy. And your journey together has been a journey of risk and a journey of faith; that, honestly, I can understand a daddy going, “This may be more risk than I raised my little girl for.” Do you know what I'm talking about?   Lisa: Yes; and I've seen that tension in them. There have been times when I've just had to cry and be honest with them, like, “I need you to support me and say, ‘You are never going to regret surrendering to God and giving things up.'”  That's hard when you have that parent's heart that immediately wants to protect. I have it, too, with all of my kids.  8:00 So, I do get it in a different way now; but how much I want to encourage parents to be that voice of courage for their kids—married or not; married 20 years / 30 years—still be that voice that says: “Honey, go for it! Don't look back. Surrender it all to God, because He's got you.” Bob: But there have to have been times when crazy Francis came to you and said, “I think the Lord is saying this,” and your immediate answer wasn't, “Yes, let's go for that,”— where you had to kind of go:  Lisa: Oh, yes.  Bob: —“Really?  There is a cost here.”   Lisa: One of the hardest—the first most difficult was when he had come back from Africa. I had not been with him on that trip. God completely wrecked him. He wanted to sell our home and cut our house size from 2,000 square foot to 1,000 square foot—it was, literally, right in half.  9:00 We had two kids. We had a couple of people living with us—we always have—but he wanted to move. He was like: “I can't do this anymore. I need to give something up in order to love these kids that I saw.”   It was love-motivated, which was so awesome; but I was so honest with him—I said, “I wasn't with you. I don't feel love in my heart; I feel more like, this is going to stink!” [Laughter] No; I mean, I'm just being honest. I didn't want to give up my things. I didn't want to move into a smaller home. It was like this ripping that was happening. Of course, because God is so faithful—and every time He says, “If you lose your life for My sake, you will find it,”—on the flip side is when I got to see the joy of it and eventually got to go to Africa with Francis. I was just brokenhearted at my own resistance and sinfulness because I wished I could have had those feelings [of joy] on the outset.  Bob: Your immediate reaction was, “I don't know.”  10:00  Lisa: It was: “I don't want to, but I will do what is in your heart. I will not stand in the way of what you want to do.”  And so—   Bob: And were you still—on the day you were moving into a 1,000 square-foot house, were you going: “I don't want to do this,” or had—by that time, had you started to go, “Okay; I guess this is going to be okay,” or what?   Dennis: Or did you negotiate a 1,500 square-foot home?  [Laughter]   Lisa: No, it was 1,000; and it was hard. I think the initial reaction was the hardest. Then, it was, “Swallow it.”  Then, it was, “This is going to be fine.”  Then, it was: “Why am I so stupid?  This has been the best thing.”  It was one of our favorite homes. We had the best neighbors that we reached out to and just loved. It was the tiniest, little thing. We had six of us, eventually, there. We had two more kids there; and then, we had two girls living with us. We moved up to eight living in that little, tiny house.  11:00 Dennis: Francis, if I've learned anything in the years I've been married, in order for our wives to have that kind of response, you have to have loved her with a love that results in respect and the ability to trust—when her heart isn't quite yet in it—but she knows she's got to go with you because she's committed to you and she's committed to the mission. Talk about your love for Lisa and how you have built that kind of trust.  Francis: I think, not to over-spiritualize it, but I do really believe that one of the things I've been able to help Lisa with is to trust in the Lord. So, when it came to a bigger decision—like the house—she had seen God's faithfulness in the past, and I think that's where the trust was. She was trusting that I was following the Lord and that the Lord was going to bless our steps, as long as we just keep going, and even sacrificing/denying ourselves during those times we didn't feel like it.  12:00 At the same time, we had been around the world. They would find us, even right now, having this conversation—about a 1,000 square-foot home, with toilets and air-conditioning—just absolutely laughable!  Dennis: —that that's a sacrifice.  Francis: Exactly!—because this is their dream house. So, I don't want to sit here and go, “Oh, you guys, we really suffered.”  It's like: “Man, that's luxury. We're living in America.”   Lisa: That's why it wasn't until after I had been with him into some of those areas of extreme poverty that I did feel so stupid for complaining and thinking that I was sacrificing so much. I said, “Oh, I would have sacrificed more.”  I said, “We could live in a tent,”—although that would probably be really hard—[Laughter]—but—   Dennis: You kind of looked at him— Bob: “Don't plant any ideas!”  [Laughter] Dennis: Well, that's what she was thinking—she was going: “Oh, no! We're going to downsize from 1,000 square feet.”   Francis: And that's crossed my mind—that's happened—the tent. Laughter]   Dennis: Francis, let's talk about how you are the spiritual lover and leader of Lisa and your family.  13:00 You've got a lot going on in your life out there: “How do you love Lisa? How do you provide the kind of mandate that Ephesians 5 talks about—‘Husbands, love you wives as Christ loved the church'?” Francis: It's something the Lord put in me. It's weird because I didn't really have that, growing up; and yet, it's so natural to me. It's not like I have to force myself to love my kids, and to enjoy them, or force myself to spend time with Lisa. I am gone a lot, but all the kids know I want to be at home with them. A lot of times, I will take them with me on some of my speaking engagements—I'll take one kid at a time.  So, I do serve kids—you know, my kids— through relationship, through just laughing with them, and teaching them, and disciplining them, and getting the time with them. A lot of times, we're just in ministry together.  14:00 Dennis: Lisa, we'll let you answer the question too: “How does he love you?”   Lisa: Well,— Dennis: And again— Lisa: —practically speaking,— Dennis: —not in an idealistic way—yes; in a practical way.  Lisa: Yes; one of the nicest things—that every mother will appreciate—is those nights, when he'll see that I have been in the home / I have had the little people all over me—and the big ones, sometimes, that have the emotional needs that go far beyond your little ones—and he'll just say: “Honey, I got this. You just go to Target—[Laughter]—just walk around Target, aimlessly, with a Diet Coke in your hand.”  [Laughter]  That is such a blessing. He knows when I need a little moment to myself; and he knows those times when he'll say: “Hey, we've got our high schoolers still at home. They are going to watch the little ones. You and I are going to go grab dessert really quick.”  That is how he shows love—it is to sneak a little time away / grab some dessert or just to let me go have a moment to myself.  15:00 Bob: As I hear you guys describe your marriage and how this works out for you, I hear a strong sense of mutuality; but I also hear there's leadership, and there's responding to leadership. You know, there is tension, even among Christians today, about: “What's this supposed to look like? How are we supposed to do this? Is the man supposed to lead? Is the wife supposed to submit?”  Unpack how you think that's supposed to work and why we are confused about it today.  Francis: I think we're confused about it because we've rarely seen a good picture of it. We live in a culture that's very anti-authority—because when have you found godly serving authority; okay?  Yet, that's a picture of God. It gets to the point where we even question God's authority, like, “He has no right to give me these rules.”  We forget that, no, those rules were to protect you / they were to give you life.  16:00 He is a wonderful authority!  I mean, that's the whole rebellion of Adam and Eve. It's like: “Well, did He really say?  That sure does look good.”  It's like: “No! You're going to ruin everything!”   Authority can be beautiful. Jesus, who knew who He was—He understood He was the Lord—yet, He goes and He washes the disciples' feet—He dies on the cross for them. That's our picture of authority. That's what the head of the home is supposed to do. If you had that, then, I believe you would see a lot more women, going: “Okay; I see that. I see how it can be good to be under their authority.”  So, I see, in Scripture—it is pretty clear to me that the man is supposed to be the head of the home, but he's supposed to lead in a way that's like a servant that is Christ-like.  Dennis: When a man serves, denies himself, loves, leads, and really takes care of his wife, it makes her responsibility and her response reasonable.  17:00 And Lisa, in the book, I so enjoy what you write on Page 88 because you talk about five reasons why—what has become a very nasty word in our culture / a politically-incorrect word—the word, “submission,”—but it's a biblical term. You talk about why we should do that. I want you to share that with our listeners, because there is probably a listener or two who is losing heart in well-doing and needs to be reminded why it's so important.  Lisa: You know, it was hard when we were writing the book; because we could write a whole giant book about submission and authority—right?—and leadership, but we didn't want that to be the focus of the book. But it is important to understand, for a woman—especially because so many women will say: “My husband doesn't deserve to be submitted to. He is not a good leader. He is not following the Lord.” We're not submitting to our husband's perfection and the fact that they deserve it. We're submitting to the fact that God has given them that position of authority. We're submitting to a God-given position and not perfection.  18:00 There were times, even in the beginning, when Francis was not kind and nice about his authority and leadership; but I am still responsible, before God, to say: “You know what?  He has given him this position.”  You can't get around it through Scripture. It's not one place that says, “Wives, submit to your husbands,”—it's a few times—look it up in your concordance. We can't be so afraid of obeying the Lord—there is freedom in it.  The second thing is—only our submission to God should be absolute. We don't submit to our husbands if they ask us to sin, obviously. There is a limit, in that sense. We are all under the umbrella of God's authority. So, if our husband steps outside of that, then we are not to join him in that.  Bob: You don't follow him—you don't follow him there.  Lisa: Right. I think one of the most important things we have to realize is that we find ourselves thinking that we're fighting against our husbands; but ultimately, we're fighting against God.  19:00 That is not something we want to do—the Scripture says that God opposes the proud, but He gives grace to the humble.  It takes humility to follow someone's lead; but, you know, you look back at the very beginning—God said: “It's not good for the man to be alone. I am going to create a helpmate for him.”  Why can't we embrace the beauty of that and say: “Wow! I want to give my husband the benefit of my wisdom / my insight”? Then, after I've laid that all down—and I've shown him / I've shared my thoughts and my heart—to allow him to lead / to make the ultimate decision, knowing that I've poured my heart out to him and helped him understand my perspective. It may not always match up. We may not always agree, but give your husband that benefit. He needs you. You are his helpmate.  Dennis: Your belief in your husband is empowering and affirming to his leadership. I think—I'm looking at Francis, who is nodding his head—she has made you a better leader— Francis: Oh, yes! Dennis:—because she is a strong woman.  20:00 Francis: Absolutely! If you knew me before I met her, I am sure you would say: “Wow! That was a major transformation. There's no way he could pull off what he's doing without her.”   Bob: Knowing that she believes in you / respects you—that she'll follow you— Francis: Yes.  Bob: —that puts wind in your sails.  Francis: You see—because my parents were dead by the time I was in junior high—so I've never had support / I never had anyone believing in me. I didn't have a cheerleader—anyone in my corner. Yet, the Lord was enough. The Lord was absolutely enough—so, yes—amen and amen. But He created us in such a way that—now, when I finally had someone who believed in me—like another human being, who I knew was going to be by my side and support me, even when everyone else thought I was crazy—yet, she believed / she believed in me. I can't—I can't say enough.  21:00 Lisa: You know, one of the things I have to say is that the thought of coming before the Lord, at the end of my life, and having Him say: “Why did you prevent your husband from doing all these things I had planned for him?”—that is part of what scares me. I think we have to realize that, as women, we want to be life-givers and we want to put wind in their sails, as you put it. We don't want to stand in the way and limit them and limit what God is going to do through them. That is what should scare us.  Francis: This is what the book was about—eternity. You know, we have this wonderful family—full of laughter / everything else—but that's going to be over in a second. Just to put it bluntly—we're going to die any moment. Lisa or I will stand before God, Himself— Dennis: Right.  Francis: —and what are we going to care about?  So, if I love her, then, it's not just about this time here. I want to prepare her for that moment when she faces Him. In the same way—and yes, we are saved by grace— 22:00 —but I want her to know: “I accomplished the work You gave me to do, Father, while I was on that earth—during that brief, little vapor of a time. I did what You wanted me to do.”   I think that's true love—is when you are looking at someone—and not just thinking of the here and now, where I benefit. I think about the forever and ever and ever—“How are you going… / What's that existence going to be like?”—it's based upon how we live now.  Bob: Is that really your hand print on the cover?   Francis: No; my hand wouldn't have fit on the book. [Laughter] Bob: I was just looking at your hand, going,— Francis: I know!  Bob: —“You've got huge hands.”   Francis: I know; it's freaky/scary. [Laughter]   Bob: We do have copies of your book, You and Me Forever, in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center. You can order a copy, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY—You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity by Francis and Lisa Chan. Again, find it online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-“F”' as in family, “L” as in life, and then the word, “TODAY.”   23:00 And don't forget—if you have any interest in—and I hope you do—in coming to one of our Weekend to Remember marriage getaways this spring / they're going to be in over 50 cities across the country—sign up this week and you save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. It's a special offer we're making for FamilyLife Today listeners that expires this weekend. 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You and Me Forever (Part 1) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 2) - Francis and Lisa ChanYou and Me Forever (Part 3) - Francis and Lisa ChanFamilyLife Today® Radio Transcript  References to conferences, resources, or other special promotions may be obsolete. Marriage in Light of Eternity Guests:                      Francis and Lisa Chan        From the series:       You and Me Forever (Day 1 of 3)  Bob: You've heard the statistic that the divorce rate in the church is no different than the divorce rate outside of the church? Francis Chan says he's not buying it.  Francis: Yes; I mean, I really believe there has never been a divorce between two Spirit-filled believers. They are using stats of everyone who goes to church / calls themselves a Christian, which—and, that's what the Bible / that's what Jesus says all the time: “I know you say that you are a believer. You call Me, ‘Lord,' but why do you call Me, ‘Lord,' when you don't do what I say? [emphasis added]”  You know, the whole book of 1 John is—it doesn't matter that you say you know Him—because you don't obey His commands, you are a liar.  Bob: This is FamilyLife Today for Monday, January 22nd. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. To make a marriage work, Francis and Lisa Chan say it takes more than two—more than you and me. We'll talk with them about that today. Stay with us.  1:00 And welcome to FamilyLife Today. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. Let me just start off today, if I can, Dennis, by reminding our listeners about the special offer we're making this week on our Weekend to Remember® marriage getaways. If our listeners would like to join us at one of the fifty-plus upcoming getaways that we've got going on in cities all across the country this spring, sign up this week and save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. The offer expires this week. So take advantage of it by going to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you have any questions or if you'd like to register by phone. The number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the Weekend to Remember is a great getaway for husbands and wives—a great opportunity for you to get some uninterrupted time, where you're focusing on one another, focusing on your marriage, and having some fun in the process. Again, you can find out more at FamilyLifeToday.com; but make sure you register this week in order to take advantage of the special 50 percent offer we're making.  2:00 The website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you have any questions: 1-800-358-6329—that's 1-800-“F” as in family, “L” as in life,” and then the word, “TODAY.” Now, I've got to be honest with you, Dennis. I have always wanted to meet one of our guests today, because I've always wanted to meet the woman who could be married to Francis Chan; you know?  [Laughter]   Dennis: Yes; I've wondered that as well! So, Lisa, welcome to the broadcast. [Laughter] Lisa: Thank you very much.  Dennis: You've kind of wondered that, too, by now; haven't you?   Lisa: Yes; what did I get myself into?—no. [Laughter]   Dennis: Well, he's a good man, Francis. Lisa: Yes; he is!   Dennis: Welcome back.  Francis: Thank you.  Dennis: We've had you on the broadcast, and we have battled— Francis: Yes.  Dennis: —the soapbox in the middle of the table and the microphones as we talked about the Holy Spirit a number of years ago.  Francis: That's right.  Dennis: But you guys have written a fresh book called You and Me Forever.  3:00 It's subtitled, Marriage in Light of Eternity. Now, you may not know this, but our Weekend to Remember marriage getaway begins talking about the glory of God / the transcendent purpose of marriage as God intended it. Couples are learning that marriage is about more than just “you and me.”   Bob: And most people think it's about them; don't they? Francis: Yes; marriage is such a small part of this bigger picture in Scripture.  Bob: But be honest; you didn't have the bigger picture when you went to Lisa and proposed; did you?   Francis: No, no, no; not at all.  Dennis: You thought it was about you two; didn't you?   Francis: Oh, yes! Absolutely.  Bob: Tell us how you guys met and tell us how he popped the question, Lisa.  Lisa: Well, I knew the worship pastor at the church that Francis was working at, at the time. He and I had kind of grown up at the same church—the worship pastor. So, he had me come over and sing. He, actually, is the one who started feeding both of us these lines of—for me, it was: “You've got to stop dating anyone else. Francis is the one for you.”  4:00 He was so confident! Dan, we thank you still. [Laughter] So, I came over—started going to the church a lot to play lead in their Christmas musical. Francis kind of found a way to ask me out.  Francis: Yes; I asked if I could be a stage manager. I told—I was honest with the worship pastor—I go: “I don't really care about your play. I want to meet this girl.” [Laughter]   Dennis: So, you paid off the guy, Dan, and told him to arrange the marriage? Francis: Oh, yes. He just gave me a little headset and said: “Hey, go. Meet her.”—you know? [Laughter] I seriously had no responsibilities except to ask her out. [Laughter] Bob: So, how did you—how long, after you asked her out, before you proposed?   Dennis: No, no. I want to find out about the first date. Lisa? Lisa: Oh, the first date was great, because he planned it where it was Studio City. It was a far drive; there was a little traffic. It was during Christmas time, so we were listening to Amy Grant on the radio—[Laughter]—her Christmas tape or whatever—  5:00 —and just talking and talking. We went to dinner and just walked around these cute little shops. It was awesome! Bob: So, how long from Studio City and Amy Grant until you were standing at the altar together? [Laughter] Francis: Almost exactly a year; yes, from the first date to the time we got married. We met in December / got married the following January. Dennis: Did you know right away? Francis: Yes; pretty much—yes; after a few weeks, I was pretty convinced. Bob: And how long before you proposed? Francis: Well, we had to wait like five or six months, because it took a while to convince her parents that I was okay. [Laughter] That was the—   Lisa: I was the youngest of five, so there was a little bit of having a hard time letting go.  Francis: Yes; so they said, “No,” a couple of times to me.  Dennis: Really?!   Francis: Oh, yes.  Dennis: So, you went to the dad— Francis: Oh, yes—asked for the blessing.  Dennis: —and he said? Francis: “Nope.” [Laughter] I think my life—my mindset of just doing anything for the Lord / going anywhere—can be a little scary to parents.  6:00 Bob: And do you think your mom and dad were just a little worried about what this man might lead you into?   Lisa: Yes; I think they were a little bit scared. You know, they didn't know him at all. So, it took a while: “Let's make sure we really know who he is; because maybe he's crazy for God, or maybe he's just crazy!”  [Laughter] Dennis: So, how did you pop the question?—take us to the experience. Knowing Francis Chan, this can't be average.  Francis: No; we were going to go waterskiing—back then, people still waterskied—[Laughter] with a bunch of friends. I had set up on this little island, in the middle of the lake—you know, nice little flowers and music. So she kind of knew, as we were walking up there; and it was playing our song, you know. I popped the question there.  Bob: So, I want to go back to the first year of the Chan marriage. I want to go all the way back to the starting point, because you both loved God / you both were sold out to Him.  7:00 But you realized that marriage looks different from one side of the altar than it looks from the other side of the altar; right? Francis: Yes; you really do! But I will say, we were warned about so many things like: “Be careful of this. First year is going to be tough. This is going to be crazy.”  I seriously felt little to none of that—it was like a dream come true—it really was—like: “Wow! I can't believe I get to be with my best friend. We never have to say goodbye.” It was a dream.  Dennis: You clicked.  Francis: Oh, yes.  Dennis: You clicked together.  Francis: Immediately. Dennis: What about you, Lisa?   Lisa: Yes; I would totally agree. Although, I am having a flashback of the time he made me so mad that I threw my shoe at the closet just to get a real loud bang out of it. There were moments of just total pride, and selfishness, and silliness that first year; but we kept waiting for the shoe to drop: “When is this going to feel so awful and terrible?”   Bob: And the shoe didn't drop, but it did get thrown. [Laughter]   8:00 Lisa: It did get thrown! [Laughter]  Dennis: Did you throw it at him?   Lisa: It was not at him. It was specifically to make a very loud noise.  Bob: And what prompted the shoe throwing; do you remember?   Lisa: That's what's so funny. My daughter was asking me that the other day—I said: “Honey, I can't even tell you. I cannot remember, even slightly, what it was about.”   Francis: It was probably something I said. I was very sarcastic back then. [Laughter]   Bob: You know, as I'm listening to you guys describe your first year, Mary Ann and I would be very similar. Our first year, we didn't hit the hiccups. We kind of enjoyed being with one another, just like you described.  But I think it was probably—I don't know—maybe ten years into our marriage, when I was getting ready to prepare for a small group meeting that was going to happen at our house. Couples were coming over, and we were going to start a new study about marriage. I was doing some prep work that afternoon. I was reading through these passages and reading some of the stuff. It dawned on me that: “Oh! Marriage is supposed to be about God.”  9:00  We had said, as couple: “We want God to be at the center of our marriage. We want…” but there is a difference between having God at the center of your marriage and having marriage be about Him. Do you know what I'm saying?   Francis: Yes; yes. Well, I mean, even in our marriage, we've, maybe, fought a dozen times?—then, it's only for a couple of hours, if that. Part of what prompted us to write this book was: “How come we don't fight?!” We realized, you know, it's because we haven't been focused on each other—I mean, from Day One.  We were three weeks into the marriage when I felt like the Lord asked me to start a church—this is nothing we'd ever talked about—and to look at my new wife and say: “I feel like God wants me to do this. I know we never talked about it.” So, we did what we were told not to do which is: “Hey, don't get right into the ministry.” Well, we're three weeks in, going, “God wants me to start a church.” For Lisa to go: “You know what? I believe God called me to just support you in whatever way you are going to lead our family. So, if that is what you think God wants us to do, let's go.”  10:00 So, ever since the beginning, we've been thinking about others and: “How do we minister to people? How do we reach our neighborhood? How do we reach our city?”  Because we've both been on this mission together, that's taken us all around the world now. It hasn't just been about, “Hey, you and me—you're not making me feel good,” / “I'm not making you feel good.” It's about, “Hey, we're here for a purpose.” As we've pursued that, it's caused us to be so in love with each other.  Dennis: Lisa, what did you think when he came up with this vision; and it wasn't just a vision for him? It was also a transformational moment for you, because he was going to need you to go do something you weren't necessarily planning on.  Lisa: Yes; I think—you know, it's so important for single women / young girls to watch and see that the man they are interested in or the man that they are dating is really walking with the Lord; because that gave me a lot of confidence to say: “You know what? I do trust God in you.  11:00 “I trust that He's showing you a plan / put something on your heart.”  That's my role, then—I'm going to jump in; I'm going to roll my sleeves up and “Let's get to work. We need Sunday school teachers. We need to do a mid-week kids' program.” I mean, we were doing so much stuff; but it was so fun in a way, even though it was tiring, it was also just: “We love these people. Let's serve them. Let's do what God put on your heart.”  I was so drawn to him, because he loved God in a way that was very different than a lot of the people I had been surrounded by in my own church setting. That is not to bad-mouth them, necessarily, but—wow!—it was like the way Francis would teach and preach, he had this fear of God and this reverence for the Word of God. In fact, before we got married, the best gift I have ever been given was this Bible that he gave to me a couple weeks before we got married. It had my married name inscribed on it; so it said “Lisa Chan” before I was Lisa Chan. And he wrote this whole letter inside of it to me:  12:00 “This is what we are going to commit our lives to. I want to see you wear this Bible out.”  You know? Wow! What a gift, to have a husband with that kind of mindset; you know?   Dennis: Francis, you believe that we have dumbed down marriage into this horizontal relationship of two people trying to make each other happy. What you and Lisa have written about, here, is that there is a transcendent purpose to marriage that is God-created / God-imbedded. If we miss this, we miss life.  Francis: Absolutely. You know, we tend to focus on certain passages in Scripture and not others. When you look at what the Bible says about marriage—yes, Paul wrote Ephesians 5—but even that was really about Christ and the church. But Paul, who wrote that, also wrote 1 Corinthians 7 [verses 29-31], which says: “This is what I mean, brothers, the appointed time has grown very short.  13:00 “From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning; those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing; those who buy as though they had no goods”—and he goes on—“for the present form of this world is passing away.” He's saying: “Those who have wives—just live like you do not, because there is something bigger here. There is this mission—we've got this brief time here on earth, and this is what we've got to be about.”  The Bible does talk about a marriage, but the emphasis is this marriage of the Lamb and this eternal marriage that we're going to be in. I mean, if we just sat and wrote down everything Jesus said—every time we wrote down, “husband” or “wife” or “family”—just wrote down all those verses, we'd be shocked! I mean, the way He speaks about family is: “I am so far beyond that. Yes; I created marriage. Yes; I created man and woman, and I want you to live this way. But the point of that is so that the world has a picture of this beautiful marriage that's going to happen one day and this picture of this beautiful Father that we have in heaven.”  14:00 We're just that shadow / we're just that glimpse; but too often, in the church, we make it all about us. It's killing our marriages.  Dennis: A marriage that's operating under the authority of Scripture and attempting to live obediently under the Lordship of Christ—living under His authority, even though they are doing it imperfectly—should show God off to a lost world.  Francis: Amen.  Dennis: And I think it's going to be one of our most powerful witnessing tools in the Christian community, going forward. In fact, I think in one of the chapters, Lisa, you wrote about: “What would happen if marriages got it together and divorce was rare?”   Lisa: Wouldn't that be so amazing to have the statistics be: “Wow! Those who belong to Christ / those who are following Christ—their divorce rate is next to nothing”? That is what would make sense, given what we know / what we believe—that we have the power of the Holy Spirit!  15:00 It's like, you know, you think of those times when the Apostles would say, “Brothers, this ought not to be!” That's what goes through our hearts: “People—believers out there—come on!  This ought not to be. We've got to rise above and recognize who we are. We are God's children, who have been given His Spirit. We can live out our lives in a very different way.”   Bob: Well, the interesting thing is—the statistics we've all heard—that marriage is the same in the church as it is outside the church—well, that's true if “in the church” means you ask a guy, “Are you a Christian?'”   Lisa: Yes; right. Francis: Amen.  Bob: But if you ask a guy: “Do you go to church every week? Do you read your Bible?  Do you pray together?” Now, all of a sudden, the marriage statistics are completely different because believers, who are walking with Christ, recognize, “It ought not be,” and they are living for something different.  Francis: Yes; I mean—I really believe there has never been a divorce between two Spirit-filled believers.  16:00 Never in history has there been two Spirit-filled people—people walking in the Spirit—who have gotten divorced. It's impossible! There's only one Spirit. So, one person has to be just not walking with Him in order to leave. I completely agree with you—they're using stats of everyone who goes to church— Bob: Right. Francis: —or calls themselves a Christian—which, that's what the Bible / that's what Jesus says all the time: “I know you say that you are a believer. You call Me, ‘Lord,' but why do you call Me, ‘Lord,' when you don't do what I say?” The whole book of 1 John is—it doesn't matter that you say you know Him; because you don't obey His commands, you are a liar.  Bob: Well, in fact, you say in the book that couples who say they have marriage problems need to recognize: “It's not a marriage problem. It's a God problem.”   Francis: Amen.  Bob: Unpack what you mean by that.  Francis: Bottom line—Lisa and I both have made a commitment, individually, to God. I mean, she knows I'm not going to leave her—I can't. I mean, before the Lord, we are going to work everything out. In the same way, she has that same mindset.  17:00 We have this understanding, before the Lord, where He fills my every need, like Psalm 23 says, “The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.” I am not like desperately needing Lisa to fill all of these holes in my life, because I'm such a needy person. The Lord is wonderful! I know the Creator of the universe! I'm going to be with Him forever!  I've got everything in my possession. So, He's given me so much life—life to the full—that I just have life to give, and give, and give.  I don't wake up in the morning, going, “Gosh, I need so much from Lisa.” I'm filled in the Lord, and I have life to give to her. The same is true for her. When people understand that, then they are not sucking the life out of one another and needing so much from one another; but they are getting their water from this fountain of life, which is God Himself.  18:00 Lisa: Well, and that's why it's so important, too, for those who are in a marriage, where only one of them is spiritually-minded—and they do not have a believing husband or wife—to say: “You know what? It is still very possible for you to display the gospel alone.” There is some loneliness involved in that, and that's not something we make light of; but it is still very, very possible for you to receive what you need from Christ and to love this other person and to display—to the world, to your children, to the people around you—what it means to follow Christ and to display the gospel, even on your own.  Dennis: I've known a number of women and men, who have been in marriages like you are describing. I think they are among the most courageous in persevering.  Lisa: Yes.  Dennis: It is not easy—it is painful / it is lonely. They are not sharing the most important thing about their lives.  Lisa: Yes. Dennis: I want to go back to something you just said, Francis—that I just want to put a double underline under. There are two commitments that Barbara and I have made that completely altered our lives—certainly, our marriage covenant—where we decided, “We are not going to leave one another.”  19:00 But some months after we made our marriage covenant together publicly, and became married, we experienced our first Christmas together. We did something that Bill and Vonette Bright, who are the founders of Cru®, did when they started out their marriage. We signed a contract with God—a title deed. We signed over the rights and authority of our lives to Almighty God. It wasn't like it was a permanent contract, where we couldn't renege; because every day, you've got to get up and re-up on your contract and agree. But we signed formal papers—two handwritten pieces of paper—where we gave everything we had and hoped to have to God, afresh, as Master and Lord of our lives.  At that point, Francis, it's like—once you've settled the issue of ownership—  Francis: Yes.  Dennis: —“Who is going to be your master? Who's going to be your lord?” 20:00 Because if you are serving self—and you've got two people, in the most intimate relationship of all of human history / marriage—you've got two people, who are serving self, you know where that's headed. But if you've got two people, who are attempting to bow their necks / their wills before Almighty God and say: “God, would You show up? Would You do Your work in us and through us? Let us minister to each other, but also”—as you've said—“to the world.” That's when a couple, I think, experiences the pleasure of God.  Francis: Amen. I mean, there's something about getting your eyes off yourself and onto God and on His mission that just—I mean, it's beautiful to me! It's gorgeous to me when I see my wife serving other people. I just look at her, like, “Gosh, look what she is doing!”   You know, being in Africa and watching her—putting shoes on orphans; or feeding them; or counseling some lady in crisis; or walking around, knocking on doors and just asking, “Can I pray for you?” with a baby on her back— 21:00 —it is like, “Gosh; she's amazing!” Or coming home and saying: “Honey, is it okay if this person comes and lives with us? I know he just got out of prison, but…” For her to say, “Yes, yes; we trust in the Lord.” It just makes her more and more attractive to me, because I see her love for Jesus and her faith in His reward.  Dennis: Francis, as you were bragging on Lisa, I just reflected on a meeting I was in yesterday, where I was bragging on Barbara. She has a heart for great theology passed on through women—wives/moms—into their families. She's using her artistic ability to create biblically-anchored resources around the holidays that families celebrate to take families back to the Christian roots and allow women—wives, moms, grandmothers—to pass on the truth of the gospel to the next generation and beyond through those traditions.  22:00 I was just bragging on her and, frankly, got kind of emotional about it—because, like you, when you were just smiling as you were talking about Lisa visiting an orphanage / when you see your wife fulfilling what God's design is for her—it can't help but make you proud because you're a team. That's what marriage is—it's a couple who are about God's purposes.  Bob: You know, I'm just sitting here thinking about the fact that central to what we talk about at our Weekend to Remember marriage getaways is the whole idea of oneness in marriage. That's exactly what you're talking about here—the two of you being in alignment with one another because you're both in alignment with God and His purposes for you and for our world. That's where oneness comes from. I, again, just want to take a minute and remind our listeners about the special opportunity they have this week to sign up for an upcoming Weekend to Remember marriage getaway. This is a great opportunity for you, as a couple, to block out some time to spend a weekend together and to grow together in your understanding of God's design for marriage.  23:00 If you sign up this week, you save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. That offer expires this weekend; so take advantage of the special offer we've got by going to FamilyLifeToday.com—registering online—or call if you'd like to register by phone: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Be a part of an upcoming Weekend to Remember. We've got more than 50 of these happening in cities all across the country. So join us at one of our getaways. Again, 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number to call, or go online at FamilyLifeToday.com.  Let me also encourage you to get a copy of Francis and Lisa Chan's book, You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity. It's a book that we have in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center. We're happy to send you a copy. You can visit us, online, to order at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-358-6329—that's 1-800”-“F” as in family, “L” as in life, and then the word, “TODAY.”   24:00 Now, tomorrow, we want to talk about what happens in a marriage when you're not on the same page—when one of you thinks God's leading in one direction and the other one thinks, “No, I don't think so.” You guys had this happen, and we want to talk with you about it. Our guests, Francis and Lisa Chan, will be back with us again tomorrow. We hope you can be back with us as well.  I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. See you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.  FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife® of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru® Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.  We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you've benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider donating today to help defray the costs?   Copyright © 2018 FamilyLife. All rights reserved. www.FamilyLife.com  

Join us in this episode as we speak with Julia Kovacs, Lisa Chan and Paula Castellon about how to remove creative and sexual blockages and discover how to live an orgasmic life each moment of your waking hour. Julia works to change the paradigms of the public’s perception of sex, evolving from shameful junk sex […] The post Renew, Revive, and Reignite Your Desires: Sexual Liberation Lab with Julia Kovacs, Lisa Chan & Paula Castellon appeared first on Conscious Living Radio.

Why family and Commission are not mutually exclusive... *Inspired by Francis & Lisa Chan's book, 'You and Me Forever'

A new series on marriage in light of eternity... *Inspired by Francis & Lisa Chan's book, 'You and Me Forever'

Lisa and her husband Francis Chan started Cornerstone Church in 1996, growing the congregation to over 4000 people. Lisa sits down with Shelene and Barbara to talk about the decision to leave and take their ministry to the tough streets of the Tenderloin District in San Francisco. She also discusses her new book You and Me Forever: Marriage in Light of Eternity. This time with Lisa will inspire you to view everything in light of eternity.

Matt Krieg, Producer Steve and I (Laurie) chat about chapter two of Francis and Lisa Chan's book "You and Me Forever." Per usual, deep and silly conversations ensue including: What's up with drivers in California and in the Midwest? {and} What would our marriages look like IRL if the gospel was on display in them? Podcast Extra: I refer to "Sacred Marriage" by Gary Thomas, and this podcast about why God made us sexual by Dr. Juli Slattery at this link: https://www.authenticintimacy.com/resources/5110/160-why-god-created-you-to-be-sexual?source=blog Helpful Link: Read or listen to the book for free at www.youandmeforever.org! (Or just download the "You and Me Forever" app.) Question of the Week: What is one way you saw Jesus romance/pursue/show himself to you this week? For More Visit: http://www.lauriekrieg.com/podcast

Do people in mixed-orientation marriages have a different Bible they live by? Do they have a different set of marital guidelines? In a word: No. We don't. It only seems that way because we--married and single--have been missing the point not only of married life but of LIFE. Life isn't about us. Is isn't about our happiness. It isn't about communication. It isn't about more dates. It isn't about fulfilling our needs. Life is all about Jesus. For the next seven weeks we will be walking through Francis and Lisa Chan's book, "You and Me Forever," to see how we have missed this. We will get gritty and honest about real-life marital pain, but we hope to laugh and leave these weeks encouraged to build the Kingdom together: married, single, dating--however God has called us. To read the ebook or listen to it along with us for free, visit youandmeforever.org and download the free app. This week (per usual) we also talk randomness such as Instant-Pots and the scary-amazing show Stranger Things. For More Visit: http://www.lauriekrieg.com/podcast

All Our Favorite Books, Podcasts and Audiobooks FROM WENDY: Much of my recent reading has been on the topic of homeschooling... ...as that has been my most recent endeavor. My top reads came highly recommended by multiple homeschooling friends and podcasts: Teaching from Rest: A Homeschooler’s Guide to Unshakeable Peace This is an absolute must-read if you have been or are starting homeschooling. Sarah Mackenzie has six children and understands the stresses associated with raising and educating kids! She offers so much wisdom and practical insight into bringing peace into your homeschool. Mere Motherhood This one’s by Cindy Rollins, another mom of many. Cindy has nine grown children whom she homeschooled. Her book is more of a memoir than a how-to, but it so encouraging to hear the ups and downs they experienced together and the wisdom she gained along the way. Educating the Whole-Hearted Child I must say that I have had really mixed feelings about this book. The authors, Clay and Sally Clarkson, are far more dogmatic about homeschooling than I am comfortable with. I skipped over a lot of the philosophy section of their book because I couldn't keep my eyes from rolling. However, I do really like and use many of their practices. Their approach to educating out of real-life and real-language experiences makes homeschooling simple and engaging. Books Not About Homeschooling You and Me Forever Francis and Lisa Chan talk about marriage and family in light of eternity. They offer great perspective on the impact that having a eternal outlook can have on your relationships family culture. Captivating by John and Stasi Eldridge John Eldridge is the author of Wild at Heart, and Captivating is the female counterpart. They address the lies that we tell ourselves as women, and the things we believe about ourselves, challenging women to see themselves through Jesus' eyes. I am grateful that I read this during a pivotal time in my young adulthood. Books I Can’t Wait to Read to My Kids Little Women I sometimes feel as if I live in this book. The way my children play and imagine together, the on-going elaborate productions they put on in my living room, and the sweet, relationships they've formed with one another is so reminiscent of this story of four sisters and their friends. Anne of Green Gables We named one of our daughters after this book, sooo.... This book and the seven others in the series were hands-down my childhood favorite. I read the series several times through, and can't wait to read it with any of my children that are willing to listen. Pride and Prejudice I just really love this book. Anything by Jane Austen, really. I’ve read this one so many times my copy is in pieces, and have written a ridiculous number of college essays on it. However, I think we’re probably more than a few years away from being ready for this as a read aloud. And I’m pretty sure I’m going to have a hard time selling it to the boys. ;) Podcasts Like my reading, my podcasting is pretty much all homeschool stuff right now. In fact, homeschooling was what got me in to podcasting. This isn't the complete list, just the ones that have stuck in my list for a good long time. Homeschool Snapshots This was the first podcast I listened to when we made the decision to homeschool. Pam Barnhill does a superb job of introducing homeschoolers to all the best homeschool blogs and resources on the internet. Read Aloud Revival This is Sarah Mackenzie's podcast, and is just as awesome as her book. Sarah and her many guests discuss the values of reading aloud, share amazing book lists, and address many of the practicalities of reading aloud with children of all ages. Homeschooling in Real Life Kendra and Andy Fletcher talk about topics that other homeschoolers may not cover. I appreciate their super honest approach to real life concerns and topics. What I really love about the Fletchers is their consistent reminders not to put your hope for your children in homeschooling or specific methodologies or parenting approaches, but instead to put your hope in Jesus! JAMIN RESPONDS: Have I mentioned how much I love Pam Barnhill? :) I'm glad you're into the things you are and I hope we help some others as much as they have helped us through you. FROM JAMIN: tldr: Neurology. Religion. Libertarianism. Read the show notes for podcasts, bibliographies for books. Finally! My wheelhouse! It's not uncommon for me to listen to 10 hours or more of podcasts (I listen on double speed) and audiobooks (2.5 speed) in a day. My list of favorites is long and ever-changing, so I'll try to not include any recent reads and just include my favorites that have endured from the past (in no particular order): Authors Who I Read Everything They Write: - Oliver Sacks: Dead now. He's an amazing story-teller whose profession happened to be in medicine, especially neurology. But I have a feeling whatever line of work he ended up in I would have read it. He's the doctor played by Robin Williams in Awakenings (no, that's not the same as Patch Adams). Entertaining, and perspective-changing as a bonus, since a lot of it is about how the brain works. Specific recommendations: The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat, Musicophilia, An Anthropologist On Mars - Sam Harris: Just because I know a lot of our audience is Christian, I want to point out that this guy is one of the leading evangelistic (preachy) atheists of the past decade or so. Not a set of books you'll be happy you read with your kids or shared with your fellow congregants.  Not vulgar, just very anti-religious. That said, he is one of the most practical and reasonable thinkers I consume, and his insights have made this religious person a better man.  As a quick example: he has an entire book about how free will is an illusion. I read it and couldn't disagree more, but considering his perspective has made me a more compassionate person and shifted my views away from certain types of punishments. By education, he's a neuroscientist, but then he had some success as an author, and then real success as a podcaster. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, and I'll never be as smart as him. He's a leading force against Islamism from a practical standpoint, and has been in the middle of those controversies for years now, so that comes up a lot, but Sam Harris on nearly any topic is going to expand your mind.  His single fault may be his obsession with hating the current occupant of the Oval Office. Specific recommendations: End of Faith, Free Will - Penn Jillette: Also super atheist and super Libertarian, but less evangelistic, more vulgar, and way more entertaining. In fact, only entertaining. But I feel like I'd really get along with him. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but I love how he says it! Specific recommendations:  Every Day Is an Atheist Holiday, God, No!: Signs You May Already Be an Atheist and Other Magical Tales - Christopher Hitchens: Also dead; also another evangelistic atheist. And every one of his books has significantly altered the way I thought about the topic. His views on Libertarian-ism are extremely thorough, as are his thoughts on nearly any topic. His essay on how bad a person Mother Theresa was will expand the mind of even a non-religious person. Specific recommendations: Letters to a Young Contrarian,  Hitch-22: A Memoir - Timothy Keller: Perfect Presbyterian apologist (God defender) for the kind of person who likes to listen to mostly atheists. I've re-read most of his stuff. A little dry sometimes, but he doesn't overstate his position very often, so I appreciate his straight-forward positions. I get the feeling he'd like a lot of the same people I like. Specific recommendations: The Reason For God, The Prodigal God, The Meaning Of Marriage - Malcolm Gladwell: Great books, stupid podcast. I don't get into the podcast later, so let me do that here: Dear Mr. Gladwell, First, thank you so much for reading my blog. Second, there's no way you can outrun LeBron James in any race. You're delusional. Third, great books! Lots of great perspectives! Even if not all the facts totally check out, it's valuable to consider a different take on familiar topics. Fourth, not everything has to do with the current president. I understand you can't blow your nose without it somehow reinforcing your disdain for the sitting POTUS, but the rest of us just want to hear your interesting stories. Do your podcast like your books and just wait a couple years until the next act of this stupid American play where we pretend the R's and D's aren't on the same team, and we once again elect the other side to be in charge of increasing the waste of my hard-earned tax dollars. Also, I would love an autographed copy of Tipping Point. Specific recommendations: Outliers, Blink, Tipping Point - Scott Adams: Yes, that Scott Adams. Unexpectedly insightful! And not just 'insightful for a cartoonist', but more like 'I'm glad this cartoonist got successful enough to be able to pursue writing, because he's really insightful.' Like Sam Harris, he's pretty dry. I don't think I'd want to hang out on a regular basis, but I'll definitely buy anything he creates, although I've never read more than a frame or two of Dilbert, even though it was the focus of an episode of the best show ever created. Specific recommendations: How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big, The Dilbert Principle - Jon Ronson: Purely entertaining. I don't think I've learned much of anything practical from any of his books, really. He's just really entertaining and puts himself in crazy awesome situations. Plus, if you get the audiobook, he's got a cool accent that will grow on you. Specific recommendations: Lost At Sea, So You've Been Publicly Shamed - C. S. Lewis: Dead. (Why do I feel the need to include that? Koran: Muhammad - dead. That's funny! I hope I remember to include that in the audio portion.) Lewis is one of the most significant Christian apologists. Also, he wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. Several times I'm not sure that I agree with him, but this is really what endeared me to him: in one of his books he pretty much states (paraphrased) "This may not be true, but you don't know what's true on this topic either, so as long as my ideas challenge you and knock you off your high horse, I've gotten you closer to the truth." Anyone who put s*** like that in one of their books has a fan for life right here! It's a similar take as Penn Jillette, which is also why I find him so endearing. Specific recommendations: Screwtape Letters, The Great Divorce, Mere Christianity - Milton Freidman: I mostly like him because I'm supposed to. He is the intellectual hero of so many of my intellectual heroes. Most of it is extremely dry, and also life changing if you can get your head around what he's trying to say.  His videos on YouTube easier to take than his books, although they miss a lot of the nuance of his positions.  If you like him, you'll also want to check out Thomas Sowell's stuff. Great minds! Specific recommendations: Capitalism and Freedom, Free To Choose - Anything about Scientology: I know, all the kids are doing it now, but I was here before it was cool! Scientology is fascinating as a modern phenomenon! The more recent documentaries are cool too as far as exposing the more tantalizing details about abuse and tax evasion, but what is most interesting to me is the history. It didn't get where it was without a crazy, crazy past. Plus, as a Christian I love looking at the aspects of other religions I think are insane and realizing that people think the same about me, and then examining to what degree my beliefs are similar or different from the what seems crazy at first glance to me. Specific recommendations: Beyond Belief, Going Clear, Ruthless Podcasts I've stuck with over time: I listen to all these on double speed because the iTunes app doesn't offer 2.5x or 3x speed yet. Thankfully, Audible does. It's weird at first, but once you get used to focusing, normal speed just sounds like a bunch of drunken rambling. - Armstrong and Getty: I've listened to every minute that these guys have aired (about 20,000 hours), and some of it twice. That's crazy. You won't like them that much. But they are definitely unique and just irreverent enough to keep my attention. These are the guys who started me down the path of Libertarianism (although I don't call myself one because our candidates have been insane and so are a lot of our biggest proponents. It's a crazy family with some great ideas. So I call myself a 'classical liberal' because no one knows what that means, so I get to explain what I actually believe.) - Common Sense: Check out the old episodes. Great middle-of-the-road politics from 30,000 feet without the normal current-events-24hr-news-cycle mania. - Startup: It's from Gimlet Media, about the Gimlet Media, as Gimlet Media was starting up. The founder decided, "I want to start a podcast company. My first podcast should be about me starting up my podcast company." That was GREAT, especially for self-employed people. Then it fizzled after the first season. - Waking Up: Sam Harris. You already know I have a man crush on him, so it's not surprising I'm taken in by every episode of his podcast. - Reply All: Another show from Gimlet Media about all things internet. This show is a tech show for non-tech-y people. It's not very informative, but very entertaining. - Criminal: Again, first season and a few scattered awesome episodes, and the host takes herself WAY too seriously, but she's a great story-teller. - EconTalk: The Sahara is practically a tropical rain forest compared to the dryness you'll find here. Hard core capitalists and Libertarians only. On a positive note, this guy is MUCH more likable as a human being than the other economists or libertarians out there. He's probably a fantastic grandpa and just an all-around great guy. - Serial: Great story-telling. No information, just entertainment - RadioLab: I can't be friends with anyone who wouldn't find at least one of these episodes absolutely fascinating. Crazy awesome stories told crazy awesome well. - Hardcore History: From the same guy as Common Sense, Dan Carlin. The most recent story was 23 hours. So he's...thorough. But he's so passionate about history. He's great. And he's so overly dramatic, he's fun to listen to as a caricature. - Timothy Keller: Random, periodic sermons from the dude I already fawned over in the author section above. The important part: Book and podcast hacks I didn't include any business podcasts here (even though I've spent hundreds of hours on them) because listening is for entertainment and story telling. I didn't list any of the business/entrepreneur audiobooks and podcasts here because they're all stupid! If you find a good business book, buy the hard copy so you can mark it up and bookmark the important sections. In school I learned: If you have to write a paper for school, just summarize Wikipedia and then cite the books and articles in the 'References' section at the bottom. It will look like you've really done your research. Likewise, all the really important parts of the business podcasts are in the show notes. The rest of the podcast is just filler. Unless that filler is particularly entertaining (like I find Tim Ferris's podcast to be), just subscribe to the podcast, don't listen to it, click on "view full description", visit the links that seem relevant and then delete the episode. Similarly for books, if you end up liking a book, go check out the bibliography and the bibliography of those books for book recommendations.  Just be aware you might lose yourself in a tiny subsection of a tiny world if you just read the books referenced in other books you love.  They will all reference each other and you'll feel confident you're reading all the best materials since they all talk about how much they love and respect each other, and you'll feel like your ideas must be right since it seems like everyone is reinforcing the same things.  I used to take it as an indication that I was on the right path when a favorite content creator would reference another of my favorite content creators, but now I see it as a warning.  That referenced person might be fun to listen to, but these two people are probably not giving me a diverse perspective.   When too many of them know each other or line up, I'm probably perspective-deprived. That's why I started reading fiction.  I have hated fiction for 34 years. It's stupid.  Why waste your time on stuff that isn't real!?  Because the best answers often come from the least likely contributor.  When someone from an unrelated field looks at a problem, their attempt to solve it is not inhibited by the 'rules' of that field.  Reading fiction temporarily breaks my brain.  Anything is possible in fiction.  No rules apply.  Fiction is brain practice for not ruling out possibilities and for considering more solutions in life. WENDY RESPONDS: And you say you hate to read. That is a really long, really diverse list! And pretty much the opposite of my list, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NUFfq1xpQ

Vad är syftet med att gifta sig? Är det att bilda en liten mysig familj i ett mysigt hus med myskvällar och mystofflor? Eller är det att bli ihopparad av Gud för att sprida hans rike och ta in människor i sitt liv utanför kärnfamiljens tjocka murar? Här kan ni lyssna på poddavsnittet med Francis och Lisa Chan som vi pratar om: http://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-cvmmx-1df67e9 --- Gilla Jesusfolket på Facebook! facebook.com/jesusfolket Följ oss på YouTube! youtube.com/helapingsten Och följ bloggen Hela Pingsten! helapingsten.com

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As always, show notes can be found at www.stitchedtogether.co.uk. Come and join the conversation on the Stitched Together Podcast & Patterns Ravelry Group board.Stuff and Things1 Year Pod-iversary prize was a skein of Wharfedale Woolworks BFL Lace in the Sea Jewels colourway.  There is 800m/875yds from 100g. The winner was post 28, Sikuna from Berlin in Germany.Thank you for all the feedback provided in the thread, I will definitely try and film some spindling soon! There are a couple of videos that I recommend if you are interested in support spinning; Lori of Deerfield Creations filmed a good introduction and Lisa Chan filmed the video that finally made long draw spindling click for me.A spin-a-long (SAL) started on 1st September, using a minimum of 100g or 3.5oz of fibre and spinning at least 100yds/91m. The SAL will finish on 30th September. All other details, including prizes are over on the FO Thread. Please do not chat in the FO Thread. You can use #STSAL2015 on social media and on your project page.Done and DustedNuvem by Martina Behm in Wollmeise Lace-Garn in the Cu colorway. I used the border element from Viajante also by Martina Behm. Thank you to alwysknit, aka Eleanor for suggesting that. The video tutorial I used to do garter stitch in the round was this one.Into The Whirled 85% Polwarth/25% Silk in the Captain Tightpants colourway. Spun as a worsted 2-ply to produce a barber poled yarn. I got 356m from 118g at a fingering/4ply weight yarn.Superwash Merino Fibre from World of Wool - 135g dyed using Wilton 8 Colour Icing Set 226 g and white vinegar.Chester Wool Company Platinum HT Sock (75% Superwash Merino/25% Nylon) - 435m/100g. Dyed using the same colours as the fibre. Bluefaced.net is the retail arm of the undyed yarn selling company.Nose to the GrindstoneSeptember SAL - Hilltop Cloud 70% BFL/15% Cashmere/15% Silk, 100g in natural and 100g in Autumn colours. Spun on my Spanish Peacock bead whorl spindles.Toddler Blanket using Rico Designs Baby Classic DK in the Powder (038), Mauve (041), Dusky Pink (40), Anthracite (32) and Purple (16) colourways. Done using Treble(UK)/Double Crochet(US).Pebble Beach Shawl by Helen Stewart using Black Bunny Fibers Merino Silk Sock (70% Merino/30% Silk) in the Peek-A-Boo colourway.Crafting Library/Quest For KnowledgeHand Dyeing Yarn and Fleece: Dip-Dyeing, Hand-Painting, Tie-Dyeing, and Other Creative Techniques (UK Link/US Link) by Gail Callahan, The Kangeroo Dyer. I also have the Color Grid, which I got from Hilltop Cloud. I found out about these from an interview that Laura of Gynx Yarns from The Dyer's Notebook Podcast did with Gail.Playlist of videos I used when I was first looking at dyeing yarn.Splashed OutSara's Texture Crafts Romney fibre (500g) and Shetland fibre (200g). Sara has a 50% discount (applied at checkout automatically) on her "Fresh From The Farm Tops" at the moment.Babylonglegs Merino D'Arles fibre (200g). You can get the undyed natural fibre from John Arbon. Sarah has a discount on at the moment Add spin4yourlife to the discount box at checkout for a 15% off all Spinning Fibres.Online CommunityI've been watching some broadcasts on the Periscope app. I'm not sure if I'll ever record on there, but my user name is the same as for Twitter, stitchedtog.

[audio: https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/audio/Chris%20White%20-%20NTR_9_13_13.mp3] I talk about a lot of things including the link between “Leaky Gut” and miscarriages. I mention Lisa Chan's video series, the fact that I want to hire a person for the sleep paralysis project and a few other notes before answering these three questions. 1.) What are some tips to help be […]