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Lesley and Brad recap key insights from physical therapist Dr. Jen Fraboni (@docjenfit), co-host of The Optimal Body Podcast. Known for helping people move with less pain and more confidence, Dr. Jen redefines pain as an “alarm,” not a stop sign—your body's way of asking for better care and awareness. Lesley and Brad unpack her practical strategies for building stability before flexibility, tuning in before you train, and aging with strength and ease.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Lesley's pain-as-alarm concept to daily self-check habits.Brad overcomes foot pain by staying active instead of stopping.How Lesley's yoga experience illustrated “stability before flexibility” The importance of reflection and consistency when pain shows up unexpectedly.How building strength supports graceful aging and confidence in movement.Episode References/Links:OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour0Pilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com/waitlistAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsDr. Jen Fraboni's Website - https://jen.healthThe Optimal Body Podcast - https://www.docjenfit.com/podcastDr. Jen Fraboni's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/docjenfitEpisode 589: Brad Bizjack - https://beitpod.com/ep589 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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You know, just do some reflection. Lesley Logan 0:12  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:51  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the empowering convo I had with Jen Fraboni in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you've missed out on an incredible interview with DocJenFit. That's her Instagram handle or her handle everywhere. So many of you love her, know her, and this was a really cool, I thought, very vulnerable convo as well. She shared a lot about going on her life, how she handles things. I love when people are like, just a human and so it's gonna be really good. So I can't wait to recap it, but before we do that, today is November 20th 2025, and we have two days to celebrate. And to be honest, there was like seven, so we could have chosen. There was a few that I was like, well, I don't use less, so we can't use use less day, because I'm so not participating. But there's a couple others, but we're going to focus on two of them. One is the Great American Smokeout. The American Cancer Society sponsors a Great American Smokeout on the third Thursday of November annually, challenging smokers to give up cigarettes for 24 hours. If you or a loved one smoke cigarettes, consider joining the movement and take the first step towards quitting cigarettes forever. How? Let's both try to do something tough for a day. I'll give up either coffee, sugar, social media. Brad Crowell 2:10  You're you are allowed to pitch this to them. Lesley Logan 2:13  Oh, this is how you're gonna pitch it. Brad Crowell 2:14  Yeah. This is how you're gonna pitch this to them. Lesley Logan 2:15  This is how you're gonna pitch it. So you're gonna, you, if you're a non-smoker, if you're a smoker, then you can tell another smoker, you guys could do it together. But if you're a non-smoker, asking a smoker, then you're gonna say, I'm gonna give up something they know. You're gonna have a hard time giving up for 24 hours. Brad Crowell 2:30  Like, maybe it's Instagram, maybe it's chocolate, could be sugar.Lesley Logan 2:35  Coffee, you know something like that and you give up smoking, think of it as a reset, not a rule. So.Brad Crowell 2:43  And that's what you can also tell them, It's a reset, not a rule. Lesley Logan 2:45  Well, Brad, can we, like, let's how hard, can we talk about it? Brad Crowell 2:50  We can certainly talk about it. Lesley Logan 2:51  Okay, you quit smoking. Brad Crowell 2:53  I did quit smoking. Lesley Logan 2:54  If he had been a smoker when we met, it would have not we would not be married 10 years. Brad Crowell 2:58  It's true. Lesley Logan 2:59  Because we would not have gone on a date. Brad Crowell 3:00  Yeah. I mean, it's. Lesley Logan 3:02  My grandfather was a smoker. Brad Crowell 3:04  It doesn't smell good. Lesley Logan 3:05  Yeah. So I have had two grandfathers who are massive smokers, one who lost a lung to smoking, and another one who had multiple heart problems, and the heart doctor refused to operate on him unless he quit smoking. So I, like, this is a big like, personal thing, because I lost family members to smoking. But I know it's not easy. So Brad.Brad Crowell 3:26  Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before, so it was the decision to smoke or to quit smoking was, for me, it was made emotionally, which is what made it easy. The decision to stop, to stay with that initial decision was actually quite challenging, you know, because of the addiction, because of nicotine, but because I wanted to sing more than I wanted to smoke, that was the emotional decision. It was like, oh my god, this is a very I just have to stop, like, I can't, I can't be on stage and not be able to sing. So that I think that was hard, because I had to hit a wall in order for that decision to become emotional and then for it to actually happen in my life. But okay, great. That's step one. Then step two is consistently not smoking when I used to smoke. So in the car with the window down, or I don't remember, you know, walking out of my apartment complex, there was a there was, like, part of my routine, you know, and doing those things, like continuing to do life, you're going to run back into those instances where you used to do the habit and would always make me think, this is what I would normally pull out a cigarette. And so that was, that was a constant battle for, honestly, for just a few weeks. Lesley Logan 4:56  Well, it's interesting, because so in a couple of weeks, we have a habit series starting and in one of the episodes, I talked about how to unravel a habit. And for smoking, like all we can be completely honest, there is an addictive element to it, in that they made it addictive. So you have a habit, you smoke when you're in traffic. My old roommate, she would she when she quit smoking was the hardest thing, because she's like, Lesley, I'm in traffic for 45 minutes, and I used to just sit there and smoke, and now I am not. So she had lollipops and teas and coffees because she needed something to do in the car. She actually had, like, the patches like, well, that helps you quit. So she's like, I don't even have the craving to smoke. I have the habit. So I will talk about how to unravel a habit in that series in December, so make sure you're paying attention. Okay, the other day, this is really important to Brad and I that we wanted to bring it up. (inaudible)Brad Crowell 5:47  Second thing we wanted to remember today. Lesley Logan 5:50  Yes. So it's Transgender Day of Remembrance. For generations, the transgender population has suffered various forms of abuse and even death for or murder, so we'll call it that, for challenging the views, notions and stereotypes around male and female identity. Every year, we set aside today as Transgender Day of Remembrance. This holiday is meant to honor, commemorate and memorialize those who face discrimination and stigma on a daily basis across this nation. This holiday is also meant to advocate for transgenders people's rights, as well as focus on the persistent struggles they face in their everyday lives and how others can share their love, support and hope. If you listen to this podcast and you have a fucking problem with transgenders, I am just going to be on, I need you to explore why. These are just people. They're just people, and they've been around forever. And I bring it, I bring it up in one of the FYF is coming up about like, how in the indigenous cultures, they actually have people, they already had words for this. This is something. It's actually a fucking cool thing. Like you have the ability to see the world the way they see it through both lenses. It's a powerful thing. And I fucking clearly I'm pissed about it, but I get so annoyed. We flew on a plane the other day, and no one has a problem using a toilet on a plane, but all of a sudden they have a fucking problem of sharing a bathroom with another person of a different gender, and it's like, what are we talking about here? You just shared a bathroom. So I don't understand when they make neutral bathrooms, how people get pissed about that. I also just listened to this one thing. If I could find the reel I'll send it to the team to link it. If you don't see the link below, it's because I couldn't find it. But this person is is explaining how it's sort of the safety of women to in the bathrooms, of why they want people using the bathrooms of their own, like birth certificate, right? And this one person is a trans man. He goes, so what you're actually saying is that men are a danger to women and you don't want them in their bathrooms. So that's the problem. We should solve that problem. We shouldn't be policing genitals. So I just get really upset because it's just bothersome to me. Why do we why do we care so much we have healthcare issues in this country. We have poverty issue. We have children who don't have enough food. Brad Crowell 8:06  We have food issues, yeah. Lesley Logan 8:07  The higher percentage of people. Brad Crowell 8:09  We have water issues. Did you know, I don't remember what the number is, but like, (inaudible) I think, I think it was Jackson, Mississippi, like, they don't have running water in in, like, many parts of the city. I don't know what the the numbers are, but like, that was a thing in a couple years ago. Lesley Logan 8:24  Yes, no, there's a higher percentage of people who are listening to this show that know someone who's homeless, who is a pover in poverty, who has food. What do you call it? Like a food uncertainty? Then then know of someone who's transgendered and so why? Like, what are we doing? So I'm just pissed about it. I'm just over it. I'm over people being so uptight and like that they're a threat to who you are. You know, it goes to that whole thing where it's like, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage, if somebody of your same sex asks you to marry them, don't say yes. Like, you don't have to do any of these things. You don't have to be trans like this is I just get annoyed. I'm pissed. Anyways, so today is the day to remember the people who have been fighting to exist as they feel like they should exist, and we should do what we can to honor those people. And if you don't know anyone, maybe consider looking at a community service organization in your area that you could donate to if you are listening from Las Vegas, when you buy food from the Bronze Cafe, their proceeds, part of their proceeds go to the LGBTQ community for mental health. So it's really, really cool. We use their restaurant for all of our retreats here in Las Vegas. We can help support that.Brad Crowell 9:37  And they have a second location at the.Lesley Logan 9:43  Oh Brad's so excited. Brad Crowell 9:45  The conservation preserve, the Springs Preserve here, which has has a massive cactus garden. So go to the cactus garden. Go eat lunch, and you'll be also helping support (inaudible) the transgender community here.Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, when you come visit Las Vegas, you should go to Springs Preserves, and then you can go to Bronze Cafe. Okay, cool stuff coming up now. So here we go. Brad Crowell 10:06  All right, so here's what we got coming up on the docket, actually, next week, or Yyeah, literally, in a few days, is the Black Friday Cyber Monday coming up for you've probably already been inundated with everything that's been crazy, but for us, we're going to do it actually, during the old school Black Friday Cyber, Cyber Monday is even new. Black Friday, so it's the 26th to the first of December for OPC only, y'all so check your email for more details, starting yesterday. So just go check your emails if you haven't already, we've got an offer for you with OPC.Lesley Logan 10:37  If you didn't get an email, it's because you have not signed up for our emails, or you unsubscribed from us, and we don't take that personally. You could just resubscribe. But yeah, the dates will be November 26th December 1st. Brad Crowell 10:47  If you're wondering what it is and you didn't get the email, just DM us and we can send you the right place.Lesley Logan 10:52  We're really excited about this sale, and it's the one time of the year we do it, so take advantage. Don't ask us on December 2nd for it. It's not how it works. It's actually a lot of work. Brad Crowell 11:01  Speaking of December, we're gonna be on the road again for our winter tour for OPC, and the actual dates we're gonna get, it's like starting on the seventh or sixth.Lesley Logan 11:11  No, it's like the fifth, I think it's the fifth in Colorado Springs, and it ends on. Brad Crowell 11:15  Oh, yeah, we gotta drive there, though, so we leave.Lesley Logan 11:18  We leave earlier than it starts. We come home the day that it ends so but it's like, it's like, December 5th through the January 6th or January 7th. Brad Crowell 11:28  And we do come home the day that ends. Lesley Logan 11:30  I, yeah, I know that we sound like when it comes to this tour that we're like, not organized. The last time we recorded, we had no idea where we're going. And now we do, and it's huge. The whole tour is listed, 23 cities. Brad Crowell 11:42  Yeah, 23. Lesley Logan 11:43  Colorado Springs. Brad Crowell 11:45  23 public events. Lesley Logan 11:46  St Louis.Brad Crowell 11:47  Yeah, the fifth, the first the first event is on December 5 in Colorado Springs, then we go to Fayetteville.Lesley Logan 11:54  Oh, Fayetteville. Oh, I'm so sorry. How could I skip Arkansas. Brad Crowell 11:57  Then St Louis on the 7th. Lesley Logan 11:58  Then St Louis, then Detroit, then Columbus. Brad Crowell 12:01  No, then Lexington. Lesley Logan 12:03  I'm going to Lexington. Brad Crowell 12:04  You're going to Lexington.Lesley Logan 12:04  Oh, I am going to Lexington, but I'm going in that order.Brad Crowell 12:06  Then you're going to Columbus, then you're going to Detroit.Lesley Logan 12:09  What? How does the map work? Am I going like zigzag?Brad Crowell 12:14  Believe it or not, they're almost in line. Yeah, they're, they are.Brad Crowell 12:18  I don't understand the middle. I'm so sorry. Okay, then we go to Pittsburgh. Lesley Logan 12:22  Okay, Pittsburgh. Then we go to. Brad Crowell 12:25  Rochester Lesley Logan 12:26  RochesterBrad Crowell 12:27  New York Lesley Logan 12:27  Oh, yeah, we're going to, do you say Rochester or you go Rochester. How do you say it? Brad Crowell 12:31  RochesterLesley Logan 12:32  RochesterBrad Crowell 12:33  Rochester, New York. And then we go to Boston, Cape Cod, Hartford, Connecticut. That's a new one for us. Hershey, Pennsylvania. We're coming back Rehoboth Beach. Lesley Logan 12:42  That's a new one for us. Brad Crowell 12:43  That's new, to Delaware, that'll be just after Christmas, and then we have Washington, DC, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, North Carolina. That's new for us. We've got Delray. This is Florida. We're gonna be hoofing it from North Carolina all the way down to Delray, Florida. This is new.Lesley Logan 12:59  Christmas Eve, Del Rey. Brad Crowell 13:01  Nope, New Year's Eve Del Rey. On a roll, here.Lesley Logan 13:07  You guys Del Rey is near Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Florida, correct? Brad Crowell 13:11  Yeah. It's just north of Fort Lauderdale, I think. Lesley Logan 13:14  So our Miami stop has moved up a little bit because most of you are driving from that area anyway, so you're welcome. And then we do New Year's Day with our Pilates crew that's in Tampa.Brad Crowell 13:26  Yes. Lesley Logan 13:26  And then we go to Pensacola. Brad Crowell 13:28  Yes. Then New Orleans. Lesley Logan 13:30  New Orleans, and then Houston. Brad Crowell 13:31  Then, Houston. Lesley Logan 13:32  Houston. We haven't been to Houston in years.Brad Crowell 13:34  Yeah, it's been quite a few years for us to be in Houston. That'll be on January 4th and then fifth in Austin, and then Phoenix, we're coming to you on the seventh.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah. So get your tickets at opc.me/events, by the way. Brad Crowell 13:46  Nope, opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour. Lesley Logan 13:50  There's two links. Okay, sorry, opc.me/tour is where you get your tickets. And at the time we're recording this, we're over 57% sold out. By the time you're hearing this, it's going to be way closer to sold out, because literally, nine events only have one spot right now in them. So go to opc.me/tour. Bring your friends. Also in December, we didn't do a Profitable Pilates Black Friday, Cyber Monday this year, because we want you to focus on, so save the date, December 26th or the 31st that will be on the Profitable Pilates newsletter list. So you have to be on that one. So for the Pilates instructors studio owners who want business flights, we're gonna have some special deal on Agency. We've never done it before. So make sure you're watching your inbox for that if you don't get those emails, just DM us and the team will help you out. Brad Crowell 14:36  By the way, we're 55% sold out. Lesley Logan 14:39  Oh, I know, but we're. Brad Crowell 14:40  I just checked. Lesley Logan 14:41  I know, but it hasn't been updated in 48 hours, so.Brad Crowell 14:44  Maybe even more, so it might be closer to 60. Good stuff.Lesley Logan 14:48  Yeah, I think so. And then after our tour, we come home for one day, kick off, eLevate, get our roots done, get our nails done by (inaudible), and then we go to Huntington Beach. Teach for the Pilates Journal Expo. This is a really cool two-day event, huge lineup of teachers. I don't I it's like a fucking party. So you should just go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. So just two Xs guys, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then if you aren't already on the waitlist, you'll want to be on the waitlist because also, in January, we're going to open up the early bird registration for our Pilates retreat in Cambodia. This we just came back from. Brad Crowell 15:28  Y'all it is going to be amazing. Lesley Logan 15:30  I'm making so many mistakes, because we just got back and it was the coolest retreat of life. No offense to the people we've been on retreats with before, you were amazing.Brad Crowell 15:37  Incredible retreat. Lesley Logan 15:38  But like, if you have ever thought, oh, my god, they must get bored of this. We don't. We had the best fucking time. It was like we I just loved it. So I can't wait to take you,Brad Crowell 15:48  Yeah, and I think, I think this year is going to be sorry, next year, So 2026, is going to be even better. And I know we've had a lot of interest already, but one of the things we're going to do differently, in January, we're going to have a call for everyone who's curious about this, the retreat, all the questions. We're going to have a couple of our past retreaters join us live, and we're going to have them just answer those questions. You can ask them directly. They can share with you their experience, you know, the process of getting there, like, did they feel safe? What kind of food was it? What kind of activities did they enjoy? All the things that you might be curious about. And I'm telling you, it is gonna next year, is gonna sell quickly. So, get yourself on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com and we can't wait to see it all there.Lesley Logan 16:34  Every group is got its own, different vibe. This group, we were like, rapping in the in the bus on the way to like, no one took a nap. Usually people are napping. We were like, half a native. So anyways, crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com/waitlist get you on the waitlist. Okay, in February, that is when our Agency Mini is happening. That is our three day event. I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're going to try, but you know, we'll see. So you're going back to Agency Mini, you want to get on the waitlist for that if you want to make sure you don't miss the early bird discount, prfit.biz/mini holy fucking molly, there's a lot of events coming up. So Poland and Brussels, that is in March, you guys. And I mean, a lot of questions about, are you doing anything in Europe? Anything? This is it. We're going, we're like, literally not getting on a plane until March, and I don't have plans to get on a plane after March until Cambodia. So if you want to see me, you need to check out the Poland Controlology Pilates conference. xxll.co/poland and or Brussels, xxll.co/brussels, two events, different workshops to both events, you can you're welcome to come to both. Karen Frischmann is actually collabing on that with me and the host studios, so you get two amazing teachers for the price of a weekend. And it's pretty kind of it's pretty awesome. So different workshops, plus there's a day of privates and semi private classes. So you can also jump in and enjoy some workouts with us. You don't want to miss it, because I don't know when we're coming back. Okay? And then we're gonna leave that. Brad and I are gonna do a vacation. Brad Crowell 18:08  What? Weird. Lesley Logan 18:09  About nine, 10 days vacation in Europe, and then April after our vacation, we wrap up in April at P.O.T. London, and now it's official. Now if you've been hearing me say, I'm not allowed to tell you, I don't know if we're allowed to tell you, we can tell you I signed a contract. I don't I don't I don't know if there's a link out yet, but I'm sure there is. So just look at like, P.O.T. London from Balanced Body, and you'll find it. All right, oh my gosh, okay, should we let's get to this audience question, and we got to get to this amazing recap episode.Brad Crowell 18:34  All right, so the audience question this week was from @audreyphipps1726, on YouTube. She, this is for the Pilates equipment for beginners video. She said, hey, what size is that Try Me Stability Ball. I would love to find one. Lesley Logan 18:50  Yeah, so the triad ball that's.Brad Crowell 18:53  I was wondering. Lesley Logan 18:54  Audrey, it took me a second. I was like, try me. I'd have to Google this, because sometimes people go, hey, what do you think of this item? And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I realize it's my accent. It's the triad ball, and I don't actually know the dimensions. It's a purple ball that you don't want to fill all the way up. It's smaller than a I guess it'd be like, volleyball size when it's filled up, but you want it to be a little squishy. And where did I get it. I think I went on Balanced Body. Let's see.Brad Crowell 19:24  The OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. Lesley Logan 19:27  Is it purple? Brad Crowell 19:28  Um, yeah, it's purple. Lesley Logan 19:30  Yeah, the OPTP. Brad Crowell 19:32  Yeah. OPTP triad ball nine and a half inches. Lesley Logan 19:35  You can get it at like, Target. Brad Crowell 19:37  Yeah, even at Walmart. Lesley Logan 19:38  I'm not shopping at Target these days, but you can get on OPTP's website, they have a bunch. They have a huge website, lots of amazing stuff on TP actually, you'll kind of like, it's good products, good stuff. So if you have a question, you can text us at +13109055534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions. You can also leave a win. And I love getting your wins, because I love helping people see like there's a celebration in everything. You know there's a reason to celebrate the whole every if you just watch the news and open up your phone, it fucking sucks. So you got to have a place where you know it's going to be some good news, and you might hear your win on a day you need to remind yourself that you had a fucking win.Brad Crowell 20:17  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you are 100% right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 20:23  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Dr. Jen Fraboni. Dr. Jen Fraboni, also known as Doc Jen Fit, is a physical therapist passionate about helping people move more with less pain and more confidence. She is the founder of Jen.Health, a platform and app designed to make strength, mobility and recovery accessible for everyone. Alongside her husband, she cohosts The Optimal Body Podcast. Her work has also been featured nationally, including on Good Morning America and NBC, where she shared simple strategies to ease back pain during the pandemic. So we well, it was just a great conversation, by the way, nobody knows this, but I get to watch the the full interview call, right? And. Lesley Logan 21:06  You watch it? Brad Crowell 21:07  Yeah, watch every single one of them. That's how I do prep. Oh, I thought you just listened, nope, 100% of the time watching the interview. So the beginning of it was really fun because you were saying that, basically you were like, oh my gosh, this is how my day is gonna go today. I'm so excited to start today with this interview.Lesley Logan 21:26  Well, because, because it was a Zoom call with Jen Fraboni. And I was like, it's Jen Fraboni. And then it was then she showed up, like, Oh my God. Like, I was like, I mean, I guess I could have looked up.Brad Crowell 21:39  Doc Jen Fit. Lesley Logan 21:40  I mean, I knew I was interviewing her at some point, but I just my brain didn't like keep her, keep her last name associated with her Instagram handle, but yeah, how fun is that? I don't know, maybe the team left in the outtakes. Yeah, it was so good. Brad Crowell 21:53  Yeah. So you know what, what the two of you were digging into. I thought it was just really great talking about paying because I I related a lot to that, especially this past year, I've actually had a lot of pain with my my foot. So anyway, you know. Lesley Logan 22:08  But well, that goes into, like, something like, what I liked that she addressed about pain was that, like, most of the time it's just an alarm. Especially if you didn't get an accident, like, and sometimes your pain is like, you're just sitting there, and all of a sudden something hurts in your body, and you're like, ah, this hurts. And I'm like, just sitting there, like, what are you talking about? So in that case, if it wasn't, like, you know, you fell down the stairs, you tripped across the street, you were in a car accident, if you have pain, it is your body going, Hey, hi. You're not taking good care of me, right? It's like, just trying to get your attention. And I just like, if we think of that as what it is, as opposed to, I have to stop doing everything that was associated with that, because this is what happens, right? People come to Pilates once a week. The goal is three to four times. Week four is better. That's the goal, right? But I have someone who'll come once a week, and they go, they'll see me the next week. Oh, last last week. My back hurt, so we need to be conscious of that. And it's like so there are six other days, plus the 23 hours of the day. I didn't see you. What did you do? How are you taking care of yourself? I'm not saying the Pilates doesn't didn't hurt you. What I am saying is more likely than not, it wasn't the Pilates, but the Pilates is the unique thing about your day, right? So it's, it's similar to, I have some stomach digestive issues, and I would go, Oh, I think I got gluten, or I must have had some dairy. When I found out that I'm also allergic to oats. And every fucking day I was having oat milk, right?. And I wasn't associating, like, any of the other boring food I was having all of the time, I was coming up with, like, this unique thing that could have happened, so I really like that.Brad Crowell 23:53  We were just with our friend, and the next day he was like, I think I got glutened yesterday. It must have been that meal that we ate, you know? And I said, you know, I'm I'm also not feeling 100% and then I thought about the restaurant, which is we've eaten at 100 times. And I was like, what did we do differently? And he had the spiciest Margarita I think I've ever tasted, and I was loading on the hot sauce. I was like, You know what, man, I wonder. I mean, look, it's possible that you got glutened but they were, they specifically came out and told us that they made this gluten free. So I'd be surprised. Maybe there was some leftover, something (inadible) but also, like, the two of us ate something that was pretty off the path. I like to eat spicy stuff, but, like, we ate a lot of it.Lesley Logan 24:39  His his his Margarita was almost undrinkable. Lesley Logan 24:42  It was crazy. You diluted it twice.Lesley Logan 24:44  And you know, I like a spicy mar I was like, I I think that was gonna provide a colonic, to be completely honest, anyways. But I just think, like, she gave some really great stuff, like she talked about her own personal experience, like she's got some back pain, and she's like, Oh, I've been sleeping less, I'm breastfeeding, I'm sitting more, and I'm not moving my body. So what can I do to be more conscious about the things that I need to give myself?Brad Crowell 25:06  Yeah, I think, I think, with the, with the the idea that people coming into class and saying, Oh, well, last week, I was in pain afterwards, you know, the what she mentioned, which I thought was really obvious but needed to be heard. She said, you know, if you're in the gym lifting and you like, tweak your back, obviously you're going to say, well, I shouldn't do that again. No, no problem, of course. But that was probably not that was the moment that things were stressed to the point of ouch. But that wasn't the only moment. There are definitely other things leading up to that exact moment of when, when your body is, like, we're done trying to hold it together here, now you're in pain. And she said, so, so there's other movements that you're probably doing in your life that are, it's cumulative, right? It's, it's, it's adding up over time, and then bam, maybe the moment that it happened was in a class when you're probably doing something particular that you wouldn't be normally doing, like doing a headstand, or whatever it might be, you know, being on one leg, you know, the, the, but, that's probably not where it started. Lesley Logan 26:16  I think we could all agree in this moment where we're not in pain, right? I hurt my knee doing a deadlift. When I hired my trainer, I said, Yeah, I've been dead lifting a lot lighter because it doesn't bother my knee. But the actual thing that's bothering my knee is the fact that I had weak inner thighs and hamstrings compared to my quads, and then the way my gait is on that leg, that's why my knee hurt. It just so happened that I felt the pain doing the deadlift. The deadlift is actually not the problem my form and my deadlift is not the problem. It is an in-balance and muscles on that leg. And so what can we be doing to make sure that we're taking, like, consistent care of ourselves, and then when we hear, when we feel pain, really doing some sort of creating, some sort of like, okay, hold on, what's my sleep like, what's my intake like, what's my fuel like, have I been consistent? So if you are someone who, like, doesn't work out for a week, and then goes and works out hard, like, I got to get in it, just so, you know, you're going to be in some pain afterwards because you didn't have consistency going into it. So, you know, just do some reflection before you go, oh, that's a problem.Brad Crowell 27:20  Speak about reflection, which, which is, this is pretty funny for, for if you have people coming in and saying, well, last time I did this, I hurt. Lesley Logan 27:29  Or if you are that person. Brad Crowell 27:30  Yeah or if you are that person, do you wake up and hurt like, should this? Does that mean you shouldn't sleep like? You know what I mean, the logic doesn't apply here. I just heard like. Lesley Logan 27:43  So this has nothing to do with that, but it's just my brain thing. Okay?. So this person goes, like, this, like, thing I saw. This person goes, I need to go on a vacation. And this other person goes, did you just come back from a vacation? And then it's like, you should just say, Did you have lunch yesterday? And they're like, yeah, that does that mean you need lunch today? Right? Like, yeah, like, you're if you're.Brad Crowell 28:06  Like, obviously, you're not gonna say, Well, I guess I shouldn't sleep because, because maybe you just slept on your shoulder, weird, or whatever. And also, too, it doesn't (inaudible) it also doesn't mean that your shoulder is broken or jacked up. It means you stressed it improperly for an extended period of time. Maybe you were sleeping on it weird, right? And how, like, you know, you know how that is, you know how that that feeling is. It could be your ankle or something where it takes a couple of hours for it to work itself out. And what's happening there, which I which I thought was interesting. She talks about how pain. It's a signal from the brain saying something is not 100% correct here. Something is not 100% correct here. Just a reminder. A reminder, a reminder.Lesley Logan 28:50  It's like, when you hit the button and the community goes, er, and you're like, let me hit that again, it goes, er, and you're like, I don't know why I'm expecting something different. Brad Crowell 28:58  Yeah, well, and here's how this, here's how this relates to what I loved. She said. She said, the more we don't use it, we lose it, right? You use it or lose it. You've heard that phrase a million times. But she said the thing that was that frustrates her the most is when she her clients come to her and say, the doctor told me I'm not allowed to do this anymore, right? The thing, whatever the thing is, and this is what related to me because, you know, a couple months, Well, geez, in February of this year, it's now, you know, November, I started to feel pain in my foot, in the top of my foot, it was like this pulling pain. It felt like fascia or nerves. I couldn't decide. I still can't decide. And for a long, long time, I just stopped things. I just stopped doing, you know, like, the pointing of my toe, stopped it. All the stuff that you do in yoga class, stopped it. I was like, I need some time off. Well, I gave up the time off, and it didn't fix it, right? So, then what? Then what it was the next thing we do? Started going to the chiropractor. Chiropractor couldn't figure out what's going on, right there. She's like, Hey, you're you're aligned. What are you talking about, right? So, you know, then I was like, must be these other things. So I'm starting to massage myself. I'm doing all this stuff. And then a couple, like, two months ago, I just decided, You know what, I'm just gonna get warm and I'm gonna keep using my foot. I'm just gonna keep using it. Because, you know, one of the things that she said is especially being pregnant a second time, she leaned into, you know, doing her workouts, when her body was was starting to, like, freak out, but her body was going through a major change, and she said, you know, maybe she modified the exercise, but she always felt better after doing her workout, despite being told, you know, you know, her body, you know, sending a signal. And I think, I think that we have to be careful with this. You know, same for me, I have to actually be careful with this. It's not no pain, no gain, yeah, it's not real. I don't agree with that. It's also, you know, there are, there are moments where your body is is trying to warn you on something, but you need to be able to decide for what that is and and understand, right? Is it like pain to the point of like damage, or are we talking that, that signal of warning, you know, that's like, Oh, you have to be cautious, right? Lesley Logan 31:12  Yeah. Well, it makes it so this morning, I was doing my first Pilates practice on the Reformer in three weeks. And I did not I was like, man, I got my Spine Corrector, and I was like, this not feel awesome. It didn't hurt. It just was like, right? And then I got in the Reformer, and the first overhead kind of was like, but then the second one felt better and the third one felt better. So it's not, it is no no pain, no gain. But is you, if you have a consistent practice of any kind of movement. When you start going, you know, if your body is telling you, this is not a good day or, Oh, hold on, this is opening up. I'm warming up to it. And so when I was doing tendon stretch on the Reformer, normally, I do a single leg tendon stretch. And I did tendon stretch. I did three, and I was like, I in no way feel safe, to lift a leg off. I'm gonna do four more and get off. I got to headstand. I did all the things but the actual headstand, because I have a consistent enough practice in my body, I could tell that I'm going to feel better when it's over, but I'm not pushing myself to do something it shouldn't do. And that just comes with time. It just comes with listening to your body. So, you gotta do that.Brad Crowell 32:20  Yeah, I mean, you know, she said something that I also thought was interesting, that we never, that I never thought about before. She said, clearly, the outside of our bodies change, our faces sag, or we get wrinkles, things, lalala, why would we never, why would we expect that there are no internal changes as well, right? And she was talking about, you know, joint degeneration, and, you know, all those kinds of things which are natural and they happen, you know, discs in your back, compression, all that kind of stuff. But the only way to age gracefully, despite your body deteriorating is strength. Is strong muscles, right? And so we still should be we need to be prioritizing that in our lives now so that we can be moving with ease as we age.Lesley Logan 33:11  Yeah, no, it's so and that's just it, you guys, you will never stop having to sleep enough drink, enough water and strengthen your muscles like that you're, so sorry, guaranteed in life until we no longer get to live on this beautiful planet. So, there you go.Brad Crowell 33:28  Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Dr. Jen Fit. Brad Crowell 33:35  All right, welcome back. Let's dig into these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your conversation with Dr. Jen Fraboni? She explicitly advised against relying on passive stretching as a primary solution for pain, even though it can feel good and relaxing, she said it's better to create stability, that is the fundamental requirement for the body to feel safe. So you were talking about the off balance muscles that you had, which is why your lifting was feeling pain, because you were unstable. Your one muscles, your one set of muscles, were stronger than the other set of muscles. She said, when you create stability, it creates a sense of safety. And she recommends focusing on active stretching, isometric holds and strengthening exercises. She highlighted Pilates as a modality that is great at creating stability and teaching the body safety, especially in the initial phases of pain recovery. So yay for Pilates. That's fantastic. What about you? Go ahead, go ahead.Lesley Logan 34:37  I was gonna say, like today, we were in yoga, and my left hamstring just would not open up. And the reality is my left hip just feeling unstable. That's why we're headed to the chiropractor after this. And it's like, I cannot open up this hamstring when my pelvis is out. And so I just really like, that was such a that's such a takeaway for me. I love that Be It Action Item. So be mindful of the passive stretching, my loves. Just be mindful. I love, this is great, t only way that we start to know how to move forward is if we tune in first. So it's really, this is this kind of goes back to, like a Brad BizJack's episode, actually, and that and that, maybe he didn't say it in this episode, but he has said it in something that I've heard of him before, which is, but go listen to that episode anyways, he's like, you would never, you would never just like, go get in the car and drive somewhere without having, like, a destination in mind. Unlike most people, don't check in with how they feel before they like move their body. They just start moving their body like they're not tuning in. So before you set a goal, before you do things, you have to kind of go inward first, so that you know where you're putting your compass, where you're putting your directions, where you're moving forward to. So otherwise you're like, oh, maybe I should do if you don't tune in first, you're gonna be the person who's like, oh, the hot new thing is Jiu Jitsu, and I'm doing Jiu Jitsu, and then that new hot thing is this box thing on a trampoline, like you're not going to actually be able to look at a movement modality and go, oh, that's what my body needs. You'll just be like, going hopping from one thing to the next expecting a quick fix. So I did love that one. And then she really, she advised onto every day to take five deep, long, slow breaths, mouth closed, and focus on taking breath into the sides of your rib cage. OPC members know this. Brad Crowell 36:24  Diaphragmatic breathing. Lesley Logan 36:26  And avoid breathing into your shoulders, neck or chest. Otherwise you're gonna feel stressed. But if you take these deep breaths, you often will see that the pain starts to diminish. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 36:35  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 36:36  I really hope this was helpful, especially if pain is part of your daily life, it is really hard to be it till you see it in that kind of state. And so hopefully this gave you some tips, gave you some ideas, gave you some permission and share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially one who's like this topic is like, what they're needing right now. It's, I don't know, there's just so much permission in this episode. Until next time, Be It Till You see it. Brad Crowell 36:55  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 36:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 37:39  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:44  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:49  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:56  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 37:59  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 38:11  I don't know if we're doing a second one next year. We're gonna try, but you know, we'll see. Brad Crowell 38:16  You are just making up the URLs here. Lesley Logan 38:19  I'm not. Lesley Logan 38:19  Yeah, crowsnestretreats.com. Just go to crowsnestretreats.com. Lesley Logan 38:23  You gave me the waitlist one. Brad Crowell 38:25  No. Lesley Logan 38:25  Yeah, not on this sheet, but in life.Brad Crowell 38:28  Okay, because of 404. So I'll have the team fix that right now. Lesley Logan 38:31  Fix that, please, because I gave it to somebody else last week on Instagram, because you gave that to me. Okay.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

The first time I met Brianna Evans, I was actually a guest on HER podcast! Instantly, I felt a heart connection with Brianna, and while she was the one asking all the questions that day, I wanted to turn the mic around and get to know her better!Brianna is a Jesus girl, wife, mom, and fellow podcaster. She says her podcast, “Jesus Take The Mic”, is ‘for the faith-filled and the figuring-it-out'… and don't we all fit in there somewhere?!! I love that she's curious, and she's passionate about Jesus and about helping people connect to Him and to each other.You'll be encouraged and probably filled with a little more joy by the time you wrap up this episode of our time together!Show Notes:Email: Jesustakethemic.team@gmail.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61577637089100Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jesustakethemic.podcast/?hl=enPodcast: “Jesus Take The Mic” is available wherever you listen to podcasts!!Direct questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

A Category 5 hurricane is heading for southern Florida, and Parker Buckman's friend, Wilson Stillwaters, is caught in its crosshairs. It's going to be bad—and Wilson will need help. But that means leaving Rockport—and going back to the Everglades ... a place Parker really doesn't want to go. After the hurricane triggers a prison escape, Clayton Kingman is on the loose—and heading north. Jelly will do anything she can to get Parker back home ... thinking that's the only place he'll truly be safe. But Kingman's escape is its own kind of storm ... threatening to be far more deadly for Parker and his friends than the hurricane. Kingman has a horrifying surprise for Parker—which he intends to deliver personally. Parker, Jelly, Harley, Wilson, and Ella ... each of them will be thrust into harm's way—and pushed to their limits. A second storm is coming ... and there's no way to stop it.TIM SHOEMAKER author of sixteen books, including Easy Target, Escape From the Everglades, and Code of Silence to name a few. Tim speaks at schools, churches, and other organizations (such as Focus on the Family, Iron Sharpens Iron Men's Conferences, and Pastor Conferences). He also speaks at retreats, conventions, and workshops all across the country.Learn more about all of his books - and gain some other life lessons - when you visit him online at TimShoemakerSmashedTomatoes.com Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Young Geraldine longs to have adventures as thrilling as those in the Book of Tales, the book her papa reads to her and her brother Button at night. More than that, she wants to be brave—a seemingly impossible task in a world where ravens throw black shadows over the earth and wolves prowl barren lands in search of their prey. But Geraldine is a mouse. The weakest of ground things. Why was she, who wants so much to be brave, created by God to be small and quivering?Karin Kaufman grew up devouring murder mysteries, especially of the cozy kind. Give her a mystery, a comfy couch, and her sweet rescue dog Dakota Grace at her side, and she's in heaven. She's the author of the Smithwell Fairies Cozy Mystery Series and the Juniper Grove Cozy Mystery Series.When Karin is feeling whimsical, which is pretty much all the time, she writes children's books. She's the author of the Geraldine Woolkins Series, adventure tales for middle-grade readers and read-aloud families. Her passion is to delight and entertains children through stories of faith, peril, and hope. Lots of hope.Learn more about her books at KarinKaufman.comPlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Beneath the Hood is a familiar tale woven with biblical truth.Little Red stands with a basket in hand, and the dark forest stretches out before her. She is afraid of what might be in the forest, but the King has given her this path to walk.Her sister stands beside her to remind Little Red that she is a Child of the King, and she won't be alone.Once inside the dark forest, Little Red meets a Wolf with many questions. The Wolf doubts she will finish the King's errand, but Little Red keeps moving along the path.Distractions and the Wolf tempt Little Red to step off the path every few steps.Can she remember who she is to finish the King's errand?Author Valerie Fentress writes children's books for all ages, seeking to challenge her readers to look at the world around them and find God's love reaching out to them. She hopes to communicate biblical truths through simple stories. Valerie wants everyone to look at familiar things and find the truths and secrets hiding within them. Beneath the Hood is her debut children's book.Valerie lives in Texas with her husband and three boys, who challenge her daily to find joy between imagination and chaos. While in college, Valerie trained a service dog. She loves both Star Wars and literary classics like Pride and Prejudice equally. She is an amateur gardener!You can find more of her books and thoughts at ValerieFentress.com Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this recap, Lesley and Brad revisit their inspiring interview with Jill Allen, founder of Jill Allen & Associates and host of Hey Docs. They reflect on the lessons of grit, confidence, and letting go of the “do-it-all” mindset that keeps entrepreneurs stuck. Together, they share why delegation, structure, and brave decision-making matter more than perfection—and how asking “What's the worst that can happen?” can unlock fearless growth in both your business and in your life.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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And I think that it's, it definitely makes you go like, you have to get the, get it done. But what if you don't? I've been in that position where I've actually missed deadlines. I have failed because I waited until I needed that feeling of pressure, you know. So there's just so much that goes along with this Superman, Superwoman syndrome when we're trying to do it all.Lesley Logan 0:30  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:09  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the demystifying convo I have with Jill Allen in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and go back and listen to that one or you can listen this one and then see if you align with what we liked in that one. Maybe you like something different. Brad Crowell 1:32  Maybe. Lesley Logan 1:33  So today is October 23rd, 2025 and there was no good days. So yesterday, the 22nd was National Make A Dog's Day. And I'm going, I don't want to forget this, so pause. You guys, on the day that we're recording this is a month from when this is releasing, and so a month ago from when you're listening to this, and two days, was like National like Amazing Wife's Day and my husband did not know, and he didn't announce anything. No public displays of affection on Instagram, nothing. I'm just saying, it was a very important holiday, and it will never land on a Thursday, because it's always on the third Sunday of every month. Brad Crowell 2:12  What date was that? Lesley Logan 2:14  It was September 21st and if you look at 10 days, and the reason I know is because my and Rick. Rick posted about my and he said it was National Amazing Wife's day on the third Sunday of every month. He actually must have also gotten his day from the same exact same website. So anyways, back. Brad Crowell 2:33  That's pretty badass, Rick. Lesley Logan 2:35  Back, no, I don't think he listens. But anyway, he doesn't.Brad Crowell 2:38  You're showing me up. You're making me look bad over here. Lesley Logan 2:38  But just like that, we took him right back down, because he does not even listen to this. Anyways, I'm just telling you that we don't do this on the Sundays, and you're missing out on good holidays that could involve celebrating me, but today, but today, we are celebrating National Make a Dog's Day. And so October 22nd, yesterday, National Make a Dog's Day is how we use this day to ensure that the dogs around us enjoy themselves as best as possible. Oh, my Lord, this is a day to spread information about dogs importance in our lives and how much they can improve our days with love and loyalty. Brad Crowell 3:18  In case you didn't already. Lesley Logan 3:20  Is there any scientific, is there any scientific evidence of this, other than, like, it makes us feel good? Like, is there, I only know anecdotal. Like, yes, my dog is better because of my life is better because of my dog. But like, is there any science behind this? Did the day give us anything? No, so we're just, we're just gonna say it. We also use this day to encourage people to adopt from shelters and provide a better life for at least one puppy. May I suggest an older dog. Go to your local SPCA. We donate to the Nevada one, and we got to tour the facility. And it is amazing. OPC donates to them and the time of this release, Cody and Onyx better be adopted you guys, because it's, I'm really fucking struggling, like I just want, Brad, I think, wanted to invite Onyx in because she's 11 and she's like a little black version of Gaia. I'm not even kidding. Same underbite, same, same everything, very agile. Actually, Gaia was not that agile at 11. We'll say that. And I want Cody, and Cody is way too big, and we don't have time for that energy right now. But go to your local SPCA and go meet the dogs, go play with the dogs, become a volunteer and walk the dogs. You can even read to the dogs, right? Because clearly that is going to make your life better. And you can also foster, if you know, like, I'm only in town for a couple weeks at a time, you can become a foster, and you won't even fail, because you are like, oh no, I'm gonna be a professional foster. I'm only gonna take a dog for as long as I'm in town, or things like and they they supply the food and the medical, and you're just the house, you just get the love of the dog, and it's quite great. So we mean the world for a dog, and it's time we insure they get everything they deserve. I'm gonna say our dogs are so spoiled that this kind of holiday feels like a dog made it up. But, at any rate, we, our lives are better because they're in it. It's for sure.Brad Crowell 5:09  There's no question about that. Well, hey, I'm really excited to be home. We just got back from Cambodia and Singapore. Lesley Logan 5:15  We just got back and we're hugging our dog and making his life better. Brad Crowell 5:20  We're hugging our dog. Lesley Logan 5:21  How nice of us to come home just in time for this holiday. Brad Crowell 5:24  How nice of, yeah, you better feel special Bayon. We came home just for you. Yeah, he abandoned us. So it was, you know, look, Cambodia is magical. What an amazing experience. And you're missing out if you haven't joined us yet. So you should go get on the wait list for next year. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com. We will be making the announcement pretty soon about next year's trip, but I'm going to tell you secret listener, insider info, it's in October of next year, and it's going to be.Lesley Logan 5:56  The dates are on the site. Brad Crowell 5:56  The 18th to the 23rd. Lesley Logan 5:56  Yeah and January is when we will announce the. Brad Crowell 5:56  I don't think the dates are on the site yet, so we're just telling you right now. Yeah. Lesley Logan 5:56  Okay, So you get the insider (inaudible). Brad Crowell 5:56  You get the insider info. Lesley Logan 5:59  If you are on the waitlist already, you got that information, and in January, only the waitlist people get the discount. So just saying, save some money, get on the waitlist and snag your spot. We already have released the Winter Tour event. We actually have, the time we're recording this, have not seen the whole schedule, but I have seen several cities, and I have approved several workshops. So I think with confidence I can say Lexington, Kentucky. I think with confidence I can say DC. Brad Crowell 6:38  Yeah. Lesley Logan 6:39  I think with confidence, I can say, Tampa.Brad Crowell 6:46  Here, let's just do this because this is a. Lesley Logan 6:48  This feels like a guessing game. You're not even helping me out.Brad Crowell 6:51  Well, because. Lesley Logan 6:52  What? What? With confidence, what can you say? Pensacola. Brad Crowell 6:56  All right, so Colorado Springs. Lesley Logan 6:57  Oh gay. Brad Crowell 6:58  Fayetteville, Arkansas. Lesley Logan 6:59  Oh so fun. Brad Crowell 7:00  Louisville. Lesley Logan 7:02  Oh, that's different than Lexington. Brad Crowell 7:03  Oh, sorry, I said it wrong. St Louis, I'm reading two things here, then Lexington, then Columbus, Ohio. Lesley Logan 7:11  Oh, oh, we're going back?Brad Crowell 7:15  We've never been to Columbus (inaudible). Lesley Logan 7:19  Oh, sorry, sorry. That was such a bad move that was like a California move, like, I've been there.Brad Crowell 7:27  That one's not locked in yet, Columbus, but we're close. We're going to be in Fort Wayne for a day off. Then we're going all up to Detroit. Lesley Logan 7:34  Whoa. Brad Crowell 7:35  Yeah, we're going to hit it this time. Finally, then it looks like we're swinging around. We are doing our best to line up a spot in Pittsburgh and possibly Rochester. So unfortunately. Lesley Logan 7:45  Sounds like these are these are not real. Brad Crowell 7:47  Canada is out. Canada is out. Lesley Logan 7:49  You guys, I'm hearing this for the first time. Brad Crowell 7:51  It's true. Lesley Logan 7:52  Don't, this is the thing, you can't get mad at, at us, and you can't get mad I don't think it's the Canadian government this time. I think this is a host issue. Brad Crowell 7:59  This is a host issue. We've been having trouble connecting with studios. It's insane. Like in Toronto and Ottawa, just like, nothing. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 8:07  And we know you want us to come and they're just not (inaudible). Brad Crowell 8:10  Like, really, can't understand that. But yeah, I mean, at this point we're having, we're gonna have to look at the following year, because this stuff has already been negotiated. Saratoga Springs a private event. Boston, Mass is public. Cape Cod Mashpee, Providence is a private event. New Haven, Connecticut is day off. Torrington, we're going to teach in Torrington, I think, which is Connecticut. Hershey, PA, then we got. Lesley Logan 8:35  I feel like we're not giving them insider on anything, because they're like, I could just go to the website and they can they're hearing days off. They're hearing this might be.Brad Crowell 8:42  Well, this is like, you started this. Lesley Logan 8:45  I know, but it was more fun the way I was doing it. It's like a guessing game. Brad Crowell 8:52  We're gonna be in Rehoboth Beach. Lesley Logan 8:56  Where the fuck is that? Brad Crowell 8:56  Yeah, we're gonna that's Delaware. Lesley Logan 8:56  Okay, Delaware. (inaudible)Brad Crowell 8:55  We're gonna be in D.C. Lesley Logan 8:56  It's just a small state if you say Delaware, Virginia. We're coming back. We love beach. Brad Crowell 8:56  We're gonna be in we're working on Charlotte right now, but not sure yet. We're still working that out. Lesley Logan 9:04  That was definitely been a problem. Brad Crowell 9:04  Savannah, Georgia. Then, Fort Lauderdale.Lesley Logan 9:06  Wow, we found something in Savannah. No way. Brad Crowell 9:09  I'm pretty sure. Lesley Logan 9:09  No, it didn't happen, like, the last two trips. Are you sure that's not like a day off, or we're just spending the night? Brad Crowell 9:14  Could be a day off. Then we're gonna go down to Fort Lauderdale. We are teaching. Tampa, we are teaching.Lesley Logan 9:14  You know what you can do everyone, go to opc.me/events and you can see which of these are days off and which of these are real stops.Brad Crowell 9:27  I'm just gonna read through the rest of this, Pensacola, New Orleans, Houston and Austin. Houston, we're still working on. And then Phoenix. We're probably most likely teaching Phoenix. Either Phoenix or Tucson. We're still figuring that out. But that's that's the path. Lesley Logan 9:40  We had some people in Tucson who wanted us to come so (inaudible). Well, there it is, folks, opc.me/events to get the actual lineup with the for sure, settle dates and snag what spots remain.Brad Crowell 9:52  We are recording this a month ahead of time. So by the time you're hearing this and seeing that, it will be a lot more clear. Lesley Logan 9:56  Now you can see it's really a lot of work. And it's really hard, because we got a ton of people when we were going to Canada the first time in the Toronto area, want us to come, but none of them have studios, and we can't, we, we specifically, because we're crossing the border, we actually have to be invited. Like, we can't just, like, wing it. And then when the tour ends, we come home, kick off, eLevate Six and then we head to Huntington Beach for the Pilates Journal Expo. Go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. I've decided that's how I'm saying it xxll.co/pilatesjournal, and you're going to be able to get your tickets. There's a, it's a huge lineup. A lot of my friends are doing it. It was kind of fun. Like I knew I was doing it, but they didn't tell me who else is doing it. Like one of the girls that I train to be a teacher is doing it. So, like, so cool. So, so, so cool. And I did that so long ago. That's how long she's been a teacher. Because, like, that was a long time. It was almost 10 years ago. February, Agency Mini is happening. You want to get on the waitlist at prfit.biz/mini P-R-F-I-T that's profit without the O, dot biz slash mini, and that is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who would like to ditch all the chaos, the noise, the overwhelm, and get their business to work for them.Brad Crowell 10:07  A lot of people, a lot of people have been asking us, when are we doing it again y'all, so we're giving you a lot of a heads up here to get ready, get prepared. Go to prfit.biz/mini to get yourself on the waitlist so you can catch that early bird when we when we roll that out. In March, we are going to go to Europe, and we're really fired up about it. We're going to be in Poland, and then in Brussels. So go to xxll.co/poland xxll.co/brussels for those two events, and then in April.Lesley Logan 11:41  P.O.T. London, time of this recording, we don't have a link for you to go to. I'm sure it's already been announced. And I'm sure there's an early bird that you don't want to miss. And I am, for sure, doing the Joe's Gyms, and I still haven't signed the contract, so. Brad Crowell 11:42  It's a party. Lesley Logan 11:52  I am, I am pretty sure I am teaching two amazing workshops, which is super cool. They are not any workshops that I've ever taught in England before. So if you just came to the Mullet Tour, or you've been to a Mullet Tour, neither of these workshops have ever seen the light of day in that country. So you want to go. Okay, before we get into the lovely Jill Allen, we have a question to respond to.Brad Crowell 12:23  We totally do. The, let's see. Hold on. Mary star Pilates. Mary star Pilates. I'm on the wrong one. We're just gonna leave that in. We're leaving that in. Don't worry about it. DeniseStargazer said, hey, I would love your opinion about ankle and wrist weights while doing Pilates. How heavy, how often, is there a leg or ankle preference or brand?Lesley Logan 12:52  Well, I do love that both two questions in a row will have the name star in them, which is quite cool, but okay, so how do I answer this? Joe Pilates did mess around with some foot weights. They were the shape of a shoe, and my friend Joel Crosby made me a pair, and I think I still have them and. Brad Crowell 13:12  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 13:12  They are really hard for me to do Pilates with. Brad Crowell 13:16  Oh yeah, they're hard. Lesley Logan 13:17  In fact, I think that they're.Brad Crowell 13:20  They're literally like a weighted sole that you strap onto the bottom of your feet.Lesley Logan 13:24  And I, and I'm going to preface this with both Brad and I are hyper mobile bodies. And so because of that, and I have the longest legs already, so because of that, I actually think that just a general statement of ankle or leg weights in Pilates is probably not necessary. I do see. Brad Crowell 13:49  The longest limbs. Lesley Logan 13:51  I do see how these things that Joe was creating, that Joel created, could be useful to someone who's not hyper mobile, someone who's already very strong in the practice. And also, if someone has a foot boot on, like a foot boot, that's a redundancy. A boot on like they have a foot injury, I think a weighted ankle weight on the other leg would be helpful, because then you have, like an evenness to what's happening distally on the leg. But in general, I think these things are a fitness fad that looks freaking cute on the skinny girlies, and they match their outfits, and it's just esthetically pleasing. But I think it is a waste of time. I think it's so easy for your joints to do the moves, whether you're doing Pilates or not. I think it's so easy for the joints to do the moves. I think it is asking a lot of the connections your body needs to have. So if you are a super strong, connected, non hypermobile person, and you don't feel your hip flexors take over, your back takeover, have the most fun. Bala makes super cute ones, by the way. I mean, if you're going to put these ankle weights on and look like a Jane Fonda, it should at least be cute. But I do think that the average person just needs to get started. And I feel like this is just another thing someone have to buy and invest in, get out, dust off, to get their movement practice in. So I'm a not fan of them, and I don't use them.Brad Crowell 15:11  Well, that's fair. Yeah. I mean, I think also too, just the just from cursory listening to y'all teaching and doing all that stuff. Most people are picking up two to five pound weights. And I know you every time you're like, just use ones.Lesley Logan 15:28  In Pilates, you're using one, and in the gym, you're going to pick up heavy weights, okay? And if you want to use ankle weights at the gym, that is not my my fortress. I go there and I work out. My trainer gives me things. If she told me I needed ankle weights, because she's so smart, I would listen to her. But in Pilates, like, if you have a super if you have a Michael Phelps torso and short legs, maybe ankle weights would help balance your torso to your leg situation, some exercises. But I really think before you add tools to things you might need to he was like a dolphin. Brad's looking at how long his spine was. He was like a dolphin. He had a ridiculously long spine. But, like, I just think that, like, it's just one more thing that we're. Brad Crowell 16:13  It still is. He's alive, right? Lesley Logan 16:14  Well, yeah, he's alive. Brad Crowell 16:14  Still is like a dolphin. Lesley Logan 16:12  He still is like a dolphin. So I just think that, like, you know, the other thing I'll say about this is ankle weights are like a prop. And Joe never used a prop throughout every single exercise. He used props as tools to teach a connection you needed, and got rid of them. So if you are a teacher who's like, oh my god, Lesley, I use the the ankle weights for this one exercise to help people. Great. Don't at me. I'm good. I celebrate you. I think it's wonderful. But I just think that, like, how often, how long? Like, it's just another thing out there that I don't think is as needed. I think, I think we can get so much out of Pilates without having to make it harder to do. That's my personal opinion. And I love this question so much. I want more questions like these. Send them to the beitpod.com/questions or what's the phone number, because it's not what I want. Brad Crowell 17:00  310-905-5534Lesley Logan 17:01  I mean, at least it's 310. Brad Crowell 17:05  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 17:06  Good area code. Brad Crowell 17:07  We'll take it. 310-905-5534 or go to beitpod.com/questions and send us your wins or your questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this really heartfelt convo with Jill Allen and she, she coaches orthodontics offices.Lesley Logan 17:25  Are you not gonna take a break at all? Brad Crowell 17:26  Wait for it, she coaches orthodontics offices. And the thing that's crazy is that the conversation is applicable to people of all walks of life.Lesley Logan 17:36  It really is. We didn't even talk about orthodontists. Brad Crowell 17:39  Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back.Brad Crowell 17:41  Welcome back. Let's talk about Jill Allen. Jill is the founder of Jill Allen and Associates. Lesley Logan 17:47  Doesn't that look like she should be also a lawyer? Brad Crowell 17:50  Oh, a lawyer or like. Lesley Logan 17:51  Should be like a legal office. Brad Crowell 17:52  Luxary handbags. Lesley Logan 17:54  Oh, Jill Allen, I see that.Brad Crowell 17:56  Yeah. She's an orthodontic consulting firm. She's over 30 years of experience in the industry, and specializes in helping doctors launch their own, their own, their own orthodontic practices, focusing exclusively on startups and supporting new owners who often lack formal business training. That sounds so familiar. She is also the host of Hey Docs, a podcast where she shares business fundamentals, and interviews experts to provide valuable insight for all entrepreneurs. Dr. Allen finds her greatest inspiration in seeing her clients grow their practices into thriving, multimillion dollar businesses, which is pretty epic. I love that, and I felt like I commiserated with her a lot, because we, obviously, service, you know, we serve the Pilates industry. And so it's really interesting to hear her talk about, when she started her consulting firm 19 years ago, there was no like people were not using the internet for this kind of stuff. Barely using the internet. Social media was barely starting, right?Lesley Logan 19:02  I know because I hadn't. I mean, I had an orthodontist when I was in June, like, sixth grade. And like, I mean, my parents had to, like, just find one in the yellow pages.Brad Crowell 19:11  Yeah, probably the yellow pages, or referral word of mouth, most likely. Lesley Logan 19:16  Like, maybe, and I, because I doubt our I don't, our insurance paid for Orthodontic work. You know what I mean? I, for sure, didn't, because my siblings didn't get the same situation as I did. So yeah, so which is something everyone likes to bring up, but, I mean, 19 years, even the coaching, but she coaches them has changed, because now.Brad Crowell 19:32  Oh yeah, everything has changed, but it's fascinating, because when we, you know, like there wasn't anybody doing what she was doing when she got started, and we felt the same way with Agency, there wasn't anybody coaching, you know, Pilates business owners. Lesley Logan 19:46  Yeah I felt a lot of same synergy. But I also want to say, like, everything I want to say to you applies to anybody who's got a dream or a goal or a business. She said, confidently stand in the space like you got to be confident in the space that you're in. You know, people, and this is so true, people are not going to walk around and believe in you more than you believe. I mean, I believe in our members. I think sometimes when they believe in them. But the reality is, is that like, like, random, random people an be like, oh my god, you're the like, you have to believe in you, like, people want to, especially when you are in a service-based business, orthodontics, Pilates, anything, people want the confident person they don't want the person like, I think I know what I'm doing. Like, we, just before we hit record, our car's in the shop, and we have a new mechanic because we have a new car, and you know, you're like, God how much they're gonna rip me off for. It's kind of like taking your dog to the vet. It's like, what's the bill gonna be? And you just, like, spin the wheel. And this guy is like, okay, here's a video of, here's where we saw this. We saw this. We're just gonna watch this. He was so he stood in his confidence. He could be bullshitting me. I don't know what I'm looking at, but like, he was so confident. I was like, I told Brad, I was like, I love these guys. These are our mechanics. We're not switching, like, just that, just that confidence in there. And so I just highly recommend that for anyone who is on a mission. She also stated that being a business owner requires grit and hard work. And there's an incredible, I can't think of her name, it's on the tip of my tongue, but there's an incredible TEDx talk on grit. And the truth is, is that the reason why most businesses, the businesses that become like successful, they found it's not like they hit lightning in the bottle. It's most of the time that people just had grit. They just kept going. They just kept going. And then she also said there is this pressure on business owners to hit these big financial goals, and then that leads to imposter syndrome. And we've had Brad Bizjack on a couple weeks ago, and he talks about how, like, he misses all of his goals, but he's the most confident person you've ever met because, like, how he talks to himself, how he pumps himself up, and how he has confidence, not in that he achieved a goal, but in a work that they he did. And so she says, like, you have to keep pumping yourself up, even if you don't believe it 100% yet, because that is going to help you with the confidence and showing up and doing the hard work. And we got to take pressure of ourselves to hit the goals yesterday or this, I mean, like, people are like, okay, I'm charging my rates, but I still don't have enough clients. It's like, right, one step at a time. Like, you know, I don't know. I just loved it. What did you think? What did you love?Brad Crowell 22:22  Yeah, the the okay, so actually, I was just going to bring up, I'm trying to remember if we had him on the pod, Reid Tileston. Do you remember Reid? Super, super tall professor who owned, like many, many gyms, gyms over the years. Lesley Logan 22:40  Oh, we never had Reid on. Brad Crowell 22:41  Okay, well, he wrote a book, and it's called Grit It Done, and it's, it's like, low risk entrepreneurial tips and stuff. So anyway, I know that's not, that's more for people who are starting a business, but you know, when you started talking about grit, it started making me think about Reid and. Lesley Logan 22:55  Hi, Reid. Brad Crowell 22:56  Yeah. Hi, Reid. But I really loved when y'all know exactly what I'm going to talk about here, because I keep coming back to this across different interviews, where we have the the idea of the Superman or the Superwoman syndrome. It's the solopreneur complex is another way to put it, right, where I have to be the one doing it. I'm the, you know, I'm I can do it better than everybody else. I don't have the money to do, to outsource, or any of that kind of thing. And she talked about, she specifically honed in on the the idea that it makes us feel like we're getting we are actually working. It validates our own internal feelings, right? I need to be doing it all. And she said, it's an internal conflict, and it also creates overwhelm, right? So it's this both thing, where, like that feeds our ego, but it also creates overwhelm, and it kind of gives us the idea that we are working so hard, right, that we're getting something, we're moving the ball forward somehow. Lesley Logan 24:00  But we're just treading water. Brad Crowell 24:01  But a lot of the time we're treading water. Lesley Logan 24:04  Which is really hard to do. Have you just tried treading water recently? Like. Brad Crowell 24:04  Oh, recently, no, but I used to have to do that. Lesley Logan 24:08  We had to do it in swimming lessons. Brad Crowell 24:12  Yeah, for like, 15 minutes, yeah. That was a long freaking time. Lesley Logan 24:16  Especially for you. Brad Crowell 24:18  No, to be a lifeguard or something. (inaudible)Lesley Logan 24:20  No, not like you don't have the strength or endurance. I mean, your attention span, like you couldn't do anything else, your usual. You couldn't, like, tap something or click something, or like you just had to do one thing. I just can't, it will the longest 15 minutes for you.Brad Crowell 24:38  Well, you know this idea of the Superman, Superwoman syndrome really creates, like, debilitating pressure on on you because when it's not getting done, when something isn't getting done, whose fault is it? It's always our fault. Why? Because we're in the middle of every single project, every single possible thing. And you know, it really it creates, sometimes we, like, I think something that I've told myself over the years is that I work better under pressure, or I work better under a deadline, right? And I think that it's it definitely makes you go, like, you have to get the, get it done. But what if you don't? I've been in that position where I've actually missed deadlines, have failed because I waited until I needed that feeling of pressure, you know. So there's just so much that goes along with with this Superman, Superwoman syndrome when we're trying to do it all. And she also talked about like, it, you know, the irony here is that that overwhelm of like, what if you don't actually know what you're doing? What if you don't get it done? Or, you know, the you can be overwhelmed by this realization that I don't know how to do it all, while thinking I have to do it all or I'm the only one that could do this.Lesley Logan 25:53  That sounds like a terrible torture room to be in your mind.Brad Crowell 25:58  She said, she said, how do you overcome this? Right? And ultimately, it comes down to trust, trusting others to be able to execute or implement in a way that you would be doing it or as close to you as possible, right? And she, she said, take it like eating a cookie, just one little bite at a time, and keep moving forward, but, but then be sure to look back and high five yourself. So in this case, what she's talking about is, as you're delegating, you know, go back and look at little pieces of it and make sure that it's up to the standard that you need. And then you get the high five them, high five yourself. I mean, if you're not running a business here, if this isn't like you're not trying to do that. What if it was walking the dog and you delegated it to a child of yours? Or what if it was cleaning the house? Chores.Lesley Logan 26:48  We used to have those neighbors, the Brazilians, who, like, legitimately, the child was, like, eight years old, and the other one might have been like, I don't know, six, and they walked that dog, and the dog is, like, way bigger than them. And we were like, oh my god, should they be doing this? But they did it every day. I watched them do it every day, you know. And so, like, I thought that was, what a great responsibility, it's an easy block, like, it was not on a dangerous road. They're not crossing any streets, you know.Brad Crowell 27:13  But you know, or, or it is, you know, it can be.Lesley Logan 27:18  I think also you may have said this, but, like, you also don't have to do some things, like, they just don't get done. Like, you can just park okay, you know what's gonna happen. We're going to do laundries on Sunday, and that means everyone has to have enough underwear to get to Sunday. That's how it's got to go. That's when laundry is going to get done. Like, I understand there's a story that a lot of people tell themselves it has to be clean for me to get my work done, bullshit. It does not have to be clean. You have to be able to sit at your desk. And there might be some, like, some interesting things about yourself that you might need things to be clean, but it's often an excuse to not do the thing, because you have another reason to not do the thing. And I would just challenge yourself to, like, figure out, like, like, so, like, there's a whole idea, like, so what, so, and then what, and then and like, follow the path and like, the reality is, a lot of the things that we busy ourselves doing do not lead to the actual goal that we have. And that's what I have to say about that.Brad Crowell 28:16  Yeah, I love it. Well, you know, I think, I think that we're setting ourselves up for failure when we attempt to do everything all by ourselves, and and you know, there are times in our world, in our life, whether that's just due to relationships or finances or whatever, where you know, we are kicking off a project and we are the one ideating and creating, but when it comes to executing and being creative, it's really hard to wear those two hats at the same time, and it really does help you to train someone properly, to help you get all the work doneLesley Logan 28:57  Well and the other thing I just want to say is or hire a coach to help advise you on what's the most like the thing that's priority right now? Brad Crowell 29:04  Yeah, sure. Lesley Logan 29:04  Because if you're trying, if you're actually not sure what you're supposed to be focusing on, you could hire help and then be focused on the wrong thing. And so Jill is a perfect example that there is a coach out there for every fucking niche. So if you are not a Pilates instructor and you're not an orthodontist, I promise you there is a coach out there for you. There is someone who coaches lawyers. There's someone who coaches social workers, or someone who coaches, you know, like. Brad Crowell 29:26  Pilates instructors. Lesley Logan 29:26  Well, yeah, I just said, I said, I said, if you're not one of those already, if you, there's someone who coaches yoga instructors, or someone who coaches, you know, managers of franchises. Like, there are people out there who coach all these things, and this is a matter of finding the one that resonates with you, that gets you. So don't just fall for a really good, you know, funnel. Talk with them. Ask them, like, what you're nervous about, share like, here's my biggest fear. I'm gonna sign up with you, and this is what's gonna happen. And like, you know, make sure that they have a money back guarantee, and then do the work. You know, but there's people out there who will help you. Brad Crowell 30:03  Yeah, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into a couple of those Be It Action Items that we got from Jill right after this. Brad Crowell 30:05  All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jill Allen? She said, hey, you gotta block time schedule, yo. She strongly advocates for block time scheduling for any business owner, even for those who dislike rigidity, which would be me. Lesley Logan 30:30  Except for, we just looked up things that help ADHD CEOs, and one of them is a fucking block schedule.Brad Crowell 30:36  Yeah. Well, you know, because it's like a it's like a sandbox that you get to do whatever you want with within that time. So yeah, she explained that without a plan, a business owner can find 100 things to do with their day, which is the story of my life.Lesley Logan 30:52  I just watched you start to put together the towel thing during a work day. And I was like, that has nothing to do with the work today.Brad Crowell 31:02  I was just listening to things, and I had but then I got this. I got ADD because I, my drill stopped and I couldn't use it. Good times. So there's that. She said, explained, without a plan, business owners can find 100 things to do with the day. And by creating start and stop times, just for tasks, this prevents you from getting sidetracked, which helps manage an otherwise unstructured day. So we definitely.Lesley Logan 31:27  We love a kitchen timer. Brad Crowell 31:28  We love a kitchen timer. Lesley Logan 31:29  Like our time cubes are really great. I was just telling Agency members at some office hours we did the other day. I said, literally, I have to, especially when overwhelmed and I am in the reentry, because I'm always over when we get back to work, even though I am like, we did all the work I needed to do so I could start, you know, fresh. I still have to start. I'm not ahead. And I go, Oh God, I have to touch this inbox. And I set the timer for 15 minutes, and I scan for the most important emails, the timer goes off. Okay, 15 minutes in this Slack. Okay, 15, like, before you know it, you're caught up on things, the overwhelm starts to dissipate, because you actually have seen that. There's not really any fires that are going on and the stories in your head are not true, but time blocks. It's so because I won't work on other things because I'm on the timer of the first thing. Brad Crowell 31:29  Yep. Well, what about you? What was your biggest takeaway? Lesley Logan 32:01  She said before making a decision or starting a new venture ask yourself, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen? Brad Crowell 32:01  I really, I really appreciated this. Lesley Logan 32:01  I love this, because if you can, if you determine you can handle the worst case outcome, you'd move forward with it. I mean, I forget.Brad Crowell 32:01  I mean, she, she specifically said when, like, because she was working in the orthodontics industry, but wanted to start coaching new orthodontic business owners. She said, what's the worst that could happen is we could get no clients, and then I go bankrupt, and that will affect my credit score, and then, you know, what am I going to do? Right? She's like, but there is a path after that. She's like, so once I embraced that, then it wasn't as scary as this amorphous black hole of like, what if things just don't go right? Lesley Logan 33:01  Well, we have this, we have this idea we're talking about and and not that we have any time for it, but we were talking about doing this thing, and I kept just thinking, like, oh my god, there's so much uncertainty right now. It's gonna cost us so much money. I'm not gonna find this thing that I want, and if it doesn't work out, then we're like, fucked right? Like, it could actually cost us things. And then we came with this idea. We're like, oh, we could just build it in the backyard. And it's like, because the worst case is the idea sucks, it doesn't work, and we have a beautiful ADU in the backyard. And so I want to move forward with that. Brad Crowell 33:34  Yeah, I'm excited about it. Lesley Logan 33:38  All right, the other thing she said I want to bring up before we move on is, be brave, not perfect. And she was referencing a book. And I am sorry, guys, I am forgetting the name of that book but, be brave. Brad Crowell 33:46  I think the book is called Be Brave, Not Perfect. Lesley Logan 33:47  Brave not perfect. Brad Crowell 33:48  That's by Reshma Saujani.Lesley Logan 33:52  Oh, is it Reshma? Brad Crowell 33:53  Reshma Saujani.  Lesley Logan 33:55  But Reshma, the Reshma? Hold on. Brad Crowell 33:58  I don't know who the Reshma is, so. Lesley Logan 34:00  If it's the Reshma, she has the best, the best college graduating speech. If it's her.Brad Crowell 34:07  She's a lawyer, politician, civil servant, founder of the nonprofit Girls Who Code.Lesley Logan 34:10  This woman is absolutely incredible. She's the one who, like, talked about bike face. If you haven't, like, look her up, Google bike face college speech. And it's this whole thing that back when, like, bikes were invented, when bicycles were not just invented, but like more popular poor people can have them, they started telling women they were gonna have, they had bike face, because now women could just get around on their own. I kid you not. The number of times that women finally get like, a fucking inch of independence, and they're like, oh, let's just like, fuck this up. So what happened is, women couldn't ride the bicycles in their in their dresses, so they started wearing trousers. And people didn't like they're wearing trousers, that's a problem. And they also could get around without a male and they could be independent and they could, I don't know, have a fucking dream and life of their own. Anyways, they would tell them and be careful you're gonna have bike face. You won't be attractive, and then no one will marry you. Anyways, that is not it, but that is who Reshma is, and I am obsessed with her. So Brave, Not Perfect. Well, we should all read that book. We should have maybe next year, I should have a book club, a Be It Pod Book Club. I don't know that I can get the authors every time, but maybe I could figure that out.Brad Crowell 35:28  If you like that idea, let us know by texting 310-905-5534, what do you think about a Be It Pod Book Club, the Be It Pod squad. Lesley Logan 35:38  Yeah. Oh, that's what I want to call you guys instead. I call you Be It babes. And I kind of want to call you the Be It Pod squad. I just, I also need to know, like, does that sound good, or does that sound like I'm creating, like a cult. Just don't want to create a cult.Brad Crowell 35:51  You're not creating a cult, you're creating a squad.Lesley Logan 35:54  But, but if it was a, but if it is a book club, I do believe that I would want the somehow the club has to be a podcast episode, you guys, my team will freak out if we add another Zoom call that does not produce an episode or a class. So, so anyways, okay, well, Jill Allen, thank you for being you, and thank you for just reminding us that we should have grit and stand in confidence and just go for it. It was just such a wholesome, wonderful interview. And I'm really excited for every orthodontist who gets to work for you, because I'm sure most of our listeners' kids are going to benefit from that, including our listeners. You know what, adults with braces it's a thing now. Brad Crowell 36:17  It's true. Lesley Logan 36:18  And share this with a friend who needs to hear it and Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 36:35  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 36:36  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 37:18  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 37:24  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 37:28  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 37:35  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 37:38  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Summary When former teacher Taylor took a summer job at a public golf course in Delaware, she never imagined it would launch a rewarding career in the private club industry. Now serving as Membership and Marketing Director at Kings Creek Country Club in Rehoboth Beach, Taylor shares how curiosity, culture, and connection shaped her journey from the classroom to club leadership. In this episode, Tyler and Taylor talk candidly about the evolving role of women in golf, redefining HR beyond policy, and why flexibility and trust are critical to retaining top talent. Taylor also highlights how seeing women in leadership roles has transformed her perspective—and why representation matters for the next generation of club professionals. Visit Bloom Golf Partners here. What You'll Learn: How an unexpected summer job led to a full-time career in private clubs The impact of redefining HR around culture and employee engagement Why trust and autonomy drive stronger teams The growing visibility of women in leadership roles across the club industry How clubs can become more attractive career destinations for women Taylor's take on flexibility, work-life balance, and what truly makes a club a “fun place to work” Check out Bloom Golf Partners research here. Links

If you, or someone you love, struggles with depression and no matter what you do, there always seems to be a cloud hanging over you, this podcast may encourage you that there IS hope and help! My guest on this episode, Theresa Fiege, has dealt with clinical depression for a very long time. Theresa shares how she learned to cope and live life on the ‘up' side thanks to God, a good therapist and medication. I asked Theresa to share what's helped her in our show notes and she wrote this note to help you:=> First and foremost, dial 988 if you are thinking of hurting/killing yourself. It will connect you to a live person who can help you. You should also talk to your primary care physician about what is going on.  => Stay close to God. I use the YouVersion Bible App. There are so many plans for mental health. Filling my mind with God's Word has helped so when I am feeling discouraged or down, I can turn to the verses I've memorized to help. Psalm 42:5-6 is helpful to remind me that God has never failed me and He will not ever.=> Christian music is a great help. I love the song ""Breakdown"" by Andrew Ripp. The line, ""If you couldn't feel further from redemption, you're the closest you've ever been, ROCK BOTTOM IS A FIRM FOUNDATION"" God sees me where I am and He understands me. Music helps.Direct questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Rehoboth Beach's Clear Space Theatre is looking to expand, moving from its current 170-seat theatre in a former church to a much larger new space with two theaters, a fully developed backstage area, and dedicated workspaces for props, costumes, and scenery.Clear Space has two options to choose from, including one in downtown Rehoboth. To find out more about their plans and the process, Delaware Public Media's Martin Matheny talked to Clear Space Theatre's managing director Joe Gfaller

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

In this heartwarming book, Jack and his Mom are spending a beautiful sunny day together when Jack asks to play a game where they take turns talking about their favorite things. The topic this particular day is fruit.As Jack extolls the virtues of the fruits he loves, his Mom teaches him important human virtues through the fruit of the Spirit. Whether at home, at Sunday School, or in the classroom, kids will enjoy the brightly colored illustrations of Jack and the fruits he likes to eat while learning about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.Lisa's faith is at the heart of everything she does including her books and she wants to share the message of Galatians 5:22-23 in Jack's Divine Fruit. She uses the double entendre of fruits kids like to eat with the fruit that feeds our souls and shows us who to be!Lisa donates a portion of all proceeds from her books to Brenner Children's Hospital in Winston-Salem, NC. With her love for children, Wake Forest, and passion for medicine, she donates to the Children's Cancer Cancer Support Program at Brenner Hospital.Dr. Lisa Norman was born and raised in Dalton, in beautiful northwestern GA. Lisa considers her faith and family most important to her. She is the wife of a financial advisor, mother of four children, and a practicing physician. She is passionate about the arts, especially piano and all forms of dance, and as a former exchange student in both Argentina and Spain she has a special interest in Hispanic cultures.Her love for writing poetry began at an early age and has continued throughout her life. A graduate of Wake Forest University and Emory School of Medicine, Lisa lives with her family in Winston-Salem, NC.Please visit Lisa's website https://lisanormanbooks.com and stay up to date on all her books and events by following her on Instagram and Facebook @lisanormanbooks. Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this episode of Champ Talk, host Branden Hudson welcomes Jordan Geyer, owner of SoDel Jiu-Jitsu, often regarded as having one of the toughest Jiu-Jitsu rooms on the Eastern Shore. The discussion covers the importance of community, the challenges of starting and managing a gym, and the evolution of Jiu-Jitsu. Jordan shares his journey from a student under Jeff Hunt and Ken Mola in Wilmington to owning his own gym in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. He emphasizes the significance of small beginnings, consistent quality, passionate teaching, and the benefits of diversifying training approaches. The episode provides valuable insights for anyone in or looking to join the Jiu-Jitsu community.00:00 Introduction and Call to Action00:43 Introducing the Guest: Jordan Geyer01:17 Discussing Gym Culture and Training Philosophy03:42 Jordan's Journey in Jiujitsu07:39 Starting and Growing a Jiujitsu Gym13:40 Challenges and Successes in Gym Ownership17:39 Evolution of Jiujitsu and Training Methods20:18 Philosophies on Jiujitsu and Self-Defense25:49 The Fragile Egos of Black Belts26:16 The Billionaire Black Belt Controversy26:51 The Reality of Social Media Influence27:43 Starting a Gym: Passion vs. Skill29:25 Advice for New Gym Owners33:42 The Importance of Kids' Programs35:30 Balancing Passion and Business38:48 Defining Success in Jiu-Jitsu43:53 Future Plans and Final Thoughts

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Work is underway on the Thompson Island living shoreline project in Rehoboth Beach.The project on a part of Delaware Seashore State Park offers a large scale, nature-based engineering solution to protect the island's shoreline while enhancing the aquatic environment around the island.For this edition of Enlighten Me, Delaware Public Media's Joe Irizarry speaks with project manager, Bob Collins of the Delaware Center for the Inland Bays about this living shoreline and expected impact – including the history and cultural significance of Thompson Island it can help preserve.

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.• • Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

After a busy summer season featuring three blockbuster musicals and a cabaret series, performers from the Clear Space Theatre Company in Rehoboth Beach will be back on the boards in one week, launching a series of shows to round out the year, beginning with the apolitical political farce, POTUS.DPM's Martin Matheny sat down with Clear Space's Managing Director, Joe Gfaller to talk about that show and the rest of the 2025 season.

It is the first day at Woodland School and little Mole is worried because he does not have Hare's ears or Squirrel's sharp eyesight--but when he and his friends are trapped in a collapsed tunnel it is little Mole who knows what to do.Glenys Nellist is the author of multiple children's books, including 'Twas the Evening of Christmas' featured in another episode of Story Jumpers!She also wrote Little Mole Finds Hope, and the popular series Love Letters from God and Snuggle Time.Glenys Nellist was born and raised in a little village in northern England. Her writing reflects a deep passion for helping children discover joy in the world.Little Mole Goes to School was illustrated by Sally Garland.The children's book includes a brief section on Helping a Child Who Is Anxious About Starting School by Andrew Gladstone-Highland, LMSW Child and Family Therapist.Learn more about her books at GlenysNellist.comPlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Bay Shore is a multi-campus, non-denominational church based in Millsboro, Delaware, with campuses in Rehoboth Beach and Fenwick Island — one church in multiple locations.Our mission is to connect to God, connect to people, and serve our community. We've created a culture where anyone can belong before they believe, offering a home of faith to those who don't have one.Rehoboth Campus:Address: 19331 Lighthouse Plaza, Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971Sunday Services: 8:30AM, 9:45AM, 11AM (each about an hour)Environments for babies (6 weeks–Pre-K) and kids (K–5th grade) are available during each service.Expect live music, practical messages, and a relaxed, casual atmosphere — come as you are!

If feeling invisible is a familiar feeling to you or you find yourself struggling to gain others' approval, this podcast is for you! Tracy went through a breakup that left her chasing her worth in things that would leave her feeling unvalued and unfulfilled, leading to an eating disorder. Her message today: You don't have to keep looking outside your relationship with God for what He longs to give you! True security comes from HIM, not them. Tracy Harper is a speaker, teacher, and writer with over twenty years of experience in campus ministry.Show Notes:Published book, From Him, not them A Young Woman's Guide to Relying on God for Validation, Identity and GuidanceContact Tracy ~Web: www.tracyharperwrites.comEmail: tracy@tracyharperwrites.comFacebook: TracyHarperWritesInstagram: @TracyHarperWritesDirect questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

It Starts Today. Your World is About to Change. Harley ignores the cryptic warning, but soon learns the chilling message is absolutely true. When his motorcycle is stolen, he feels he's lost the one thing that connects him to his dad—and keeps his memory alive. Harley believes he knows exactly who is responsible—and takes dangerously reckless steps to get his bike back.Parker will do almost anything to help his friend—which is exactly what has Jelly and Ella worried. Their efforts to change Harley's self-destructive course simply haven't worked. Now they have to find a way to stop him before he goes off the deep end ... and takes Parker with him. Sometimes lies and deception are so believable that only God can reveal the truth.Every person has a push-point. Something that—if given enough pressure - has the power to send them someplace they never want to go. Off the DEEP END.TIM SHOEMAKER author of sixteen books, including Easy Target, Escape From the Everglades, and Code of Silence to name a few. Tim speaks at schools, churches, and other organizations (such as Focus on the Family, Iron Sharpens Iron Men's Conferences, and Pastor Conferences). He also speaks at retreats, conventions, and workshops all across the country.Learn more about all of his books - and gain some other life lessons - when you visit him online at TimShoemakerSmashedTomatoes.com Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Rehoboth Beach Commissioner Suzanne Goode dropped 10 voicemail messages on her city manager in the span of 24 hours demanding that he edit or unpublish an official public meeting from their YouTube account. Why? Because another commissioner publicly shamed her for being toxic and abusive toward fellow commissioners and staff at a subcommittee meeting to discuss a Civility in the Workplace policy after she was outed for suggesting the city manager was they mayor's whore. In these voicemail messages, which we share with you to listen for yourself, Goode argues she was slandered and defamed and suggests she may sue. That is -- when she is not getting cut off by the recording a la Jon Favreau's character in Swingers. AAME MEMBERSHIP: To join the American Association of Municipal Executives (AAME), sign up at this link: https://community.aame.org/ AAME JOB BOARD: The AAME has a free job board exclusively focused on executive and senior level local government recruitments. To post a job, go to: https://jobs.aame.org/ SUPPORT THE PODCAST: Subscribe to my FREE weekly newsletter hosted on LinkedIn. It is called the "City Manager News & Job Board" newsletter and can be found here: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/city-manager-rtrs-job-board-7164683251112992768/ If you would like to support the podcast by making a donation, please use the "Buy Me A Coffee" link. Please rate and review the podcast on Apple or your preferred platform if you enjoy the show. It helps tremendously. But more importantly, refer your friends and peers to podcast through personal conversations and posts on your social media platforms. Joe Turner's LinkedIn Page Note: Page may contain affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

Every girl likes the BONUS at the make-up counter! How about the words “GIFT with purchase”?! Well, THIS episode is a bonus gift and you don't even have to purchase anything!! Recording Artist Hope Darst is incredibly gifted and genuinely kind, expressive, and conversational. At one point, I wasn't sure if she was the guest or the interviewer! You will enjoy every minute of our time with Hope! Be sure to share it with that friend that comes to mind while you're listening! She'll be glad you did!!Direct questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

God's fingerprint for each of us is SO unique and wonderful. Learn more about it on this week's podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me as Ben and Kim dive deeper into how people of the same Enneagram type can look different from one another based on their subtypes.Remember, the better we know ourselves, the better we can connect with others.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question toben@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

You may think that sex trafficking only happens in third-world countries. It certainly doesn't happen here! The truth is, human trafficking is happening right here in our local communities. It's heartbreaking. It's ugly. And it's hard to imagine what we could do to make a difference.Yolanda answered the call God placed on her life to do something about it. That's how Zoe Ministries was birthed. Answering the call. This story may not be suitable for younger ones to hear (in case you're listening with little ones in the room), but this story must be heard because you and I CAN do something to help save the ones who have been trapped and lied to over and over. There is hope for the hopeless, and maybe, just maybe, God is asking us to help provide hope and healing to those who desperately need to know that their identity is in Jesus.Show Notes:Yolanda (Schlabach) Montgomery, ED.D.Zoe Ministries, Founder and Executive DirectorFor more information on Zoe Ministries & Hannah's House:zoe-delaware.orgPolaris (holds the HT hotline number): polarisproject.orgHOTLINE NUMBER TO REPORT HT: 888-373-7888Shared Hope for each state's report card: https://sharedhope.orgDirect questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Do you ever wonder how people of the same Enneagram type can look so different? This is due to a variety of things: Levels of health or alignment with The Gospel (refer to episode 12); our Enneagram Wings; and our subtype. In this episode host Kim Willey and Certified Enneagram Coach, Ben Sorrells will be discussing WINGS. Each Enneagram type has two adjacent wings that we use to influence our personality and behavior.Wings are the personality types on either side of the main type. One of those adjacent wings is more dominant than the other. We can choose the healthy side of our wings to help enhance our main type and guard against blindspots we may not see.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question toben@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

LOVE: This book explores the concept of LOVE through the eyes of a child. Ellie is a curious 5 year old with an adorable dog Rose and lots of questions. LOVE is explained to Ellie using basic principles of kindness and compassion for others. Whether love comes in the form of embracing someone, forgiveness, acceptance, or loving yourself, the power of LOVE is undeniable as it brightens the world and keeps it aglow. In an age of social media and outside influences, Dr. Norman emphasizes the importance of basic human virtues in promoting goodness in the early development of our precious children. GRATITUDE: Ellie is a curious 5 year old girl with an adorable dog named Rose and lots of questions. In GRATITUDE, Ellie is frustrated when her playdate is spoiled by a rainstorm and she decides nothing ever goes her way. Discover the creative way Ellie's mother helps her remember just how much she has to be grateful for. Lisa has published a six book "Ellie Asks" book series on HOPE, LOVE, RESPECT, JOY, GRIEF, and GRATITUDE. Lisa wants to emphasize the importance of core values in today's world by spreading a positive message that will connect parents and kids through the joy of slowing down and reading together, and inspire kids and adults alike.Lisa's faith is at the heart of everything she does including her books and she wants to share the message of Galatians 5:22-23 in Jack's Divine Fruit. She uses the double entendre of fruits kids like to eat with the fruit that feeds our souls and shows us who to be!Lisa donates a portion of all proceeds from her books to Brenner Children's Hospital in Winston-Salem, NC. With her love for children, Wake Forest, and passion for medicine, she donates to the Children's Cancer Cancer Support Program at Brenner Hospital.Dr. Lisa Norman was born and raised in Dalton, in beautiful northwestern GA. Lisa considers her faith and family most important to her. She is the wife of a financial advisor, mother of four children, and a practicing physician. She is passionate about the arts, especially piano and all forms of dance, and as a former exchange student in both Argentina and Spain she has a special interest in Hispanic cultures. Her love for writing poetry began at an early age and has continued throughout her life. A graduate of Wake Forest University and Emory School of Medicine, Lisa lives with her family in Winston-Salem, NC. Please visit Lisa's website https://lisanormanbooks.com and stay up to date on all her books and events by following her on Instagram and Facebook @lisanormanbooks. Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Top Three Reasons Camp Minnehaha is the worst –-   The spiders (wayyy too long legs)-   King Arthur (a rampaging goat intent on my destruction)-   Victoria, AKA The Diva (an evil cabinmate obsessed with French beauty products and my humiliation)Chloe McCorkle knew a summer camp where you had to learn a career was a bad idea. She tried to tell her parents, but they just had to go on vacation to Alaska and ship her off to camp for two weeks.It's not ideal, but she's going to try to make the best of it. She might even learn some skills that will help her make money for the new bike she's been eyeing. But to do that, she'll need to survive an underwear-eating goat, an invincible spider, and a camp director who's convinced Chloe is trouble...Taryn Souders novels have been named to state reading lists, including the Pennsylvania Young Readers Choice Awards, Georgia Children's Book Awards, Alaska's Battle of the Books, and many, many more awards!Her latest book, Coop Knows the Scoop, was a 2021 Edgar Award nominee for Best Juvenile mystery novel. Listen to the StoryJumpers episode featuring Coop Knows the Scoop here...Taryn lives in Sorrento, Florida with her husband, David, their three children, and two cats—an overly fuzzy Ragdoll named Mordecai and a polydactyl Hemingway named Sebastian—who like to terrorize flies.Learn more about her books and get a free ACTIVITY KIT when you visit her website at tarynsouders.comPlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Summer is a busy time at Clear Space Theatre in Rehoboth Beach, with three big musical productions, a cabaret series, and weekly kids shows.In this edition of Arts Playlist, our Martin Matheny s sits down with Joe Gfaller, Clear Space Theatre Company's managing director to learn more about their summer offerings.

Mandi shared her story with us several years ago (Episode 19). It was one of the first times she had publicly revealed her heartbreaking story of being trafficked from a very young age and how her life had continued to spiral out of control until she found Jesus.Courageous to step forward and speak out, God has opened one door after the other to give her a platform for her bravery and boldness to help others find help, hope and healing. This part of her story - what God has done through her in the last few years - is the stuff only God could do.It's Genesis 50:20 written on the pages and lived out in the life of Mandi Mendoza. To God be the glory!!Show Notes:Esperanza Events & ConsultingEmail: esperanzaevents.consulting@gmail.comWeb: https://www.esperanzaeventsconsulting.comSocial Media: https://www.facebook.com/share/1E376ntiC4/?mibextid=wwXIfrDelaware Anti Trafficking Action Council (Mandi is the Current Chair of the Council)Email: DATAC@delaware.govSocial Media: https://www.facebook.com/share/15gNUfr2ji/?mibextid=wwXIfrGreat resources through National Center on Sexual Exploitation https://endsexualexploitation.orgAlso great resources through Safe House Projecthttps://www.safehouseproject.orgDirect questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

He needs to help his friend keep her home. But it means facing that cold, deep darkness ... Again. Parker Buckman loves his new home in Rockport, Massachusetts. But strange things have been happening ever since Devin Catsakis' funeral. A mysterious figure has been stalking the town, with a series of break-ins leaving everyone on edge.Parker's new friend Ella is just as convinced as her grandmother that it's all the work of a ghost, and they could lose their home in Rockport if the stalker doesn't stop.Parker wants to help Ella, which means facing this mystery head- on. He also has to trust Harley—who seems to have his own hidden agenda—to have his back. And God can see all hidden things, right? Parker is starting to won- der. Because the great revealer of secrets sure seems to be taking his time on this one.TIM SHOEMAKER author of sixteen books, including Easy Target, Escape From the Everglades, and Code of Silence to name a few. Tim speaks at schools, churches, and other organizations (such as Focus on the Family, Iron Sharpens Iron Men's Conferences, and Pastor Conferences). He also speaks at retreats, conventions, and workshops all across the country.Learn more about all of his books - and gain some other life lessons - when you visit him online at TimShoemakerSmashedTomatoes.com Please share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

A spy in the Sons of Liberty threatens to crush the patriot cause on the eve of war, but who will fire the first shot at Lexington and launch the American Revolution?The Marquis de Lafayette commits his sword to fight as France seeks to secretly support the American cause with spies on both sides of the Atlantic. Following Bunker Hill, George Washington faces the impossible task of driving the British from Boston with an undisciplined army and no gunpowder or cannons.As Congress debates Independence, Thomas Jefferson pens a Declaration—but it will never see the light of day if the vote isn't unanimous. The Epic Order of the Seven animal team must assist the Founding Fathers with espionage and numerous miracles to win this war for American Independence while a new, evil enemy seeks to slaughter the patriots and their commander in the field.But which will be the more dangerous—the enemy without or the enemy within?Covering the events from March 1775 to July 1776, this second book in Jenny L. Cote's Epic Revolutionary Saga tells of the incredible yet lesser-known struggles of the war before Independence.Her award-winning book The Voice, the Revolution, and the Key is now available as an audiobook on Audible. The 25-hour masterpiece of Revolutionary adventure features the epic voice talent of Denny Brownlee - who performed 150 voices to bring the book to life!She has been researching Patrick Henry and the Revolutionary War since 2007! She is passionate about this crucial period of history, and about her favorite Founding Father, Patrick Henry. Her heart's desire is for children to know the REAL history of America, including God's hand of favor every step of the way.She is a Virginia native, who now lives with her family in Roswell, Georgia!Jenny L. Cote is author of the five book Epic Revolutionary Saga and the Epic Order of the Seven Series! Learn more about the entire series at EpicOrderofTheSeven.netPlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this heartfelt episode, hosts Kim and Ben sit down with celebrated CCM artist Jordan Feliz. Known for hits like "The River," "Beloved," and "Jesus Is Coming Back," Jordan opens up about his Enneagram journey, how it influences his life and music, and the ways it has shaped his relationships—with his wife Jamie, their children, and those he meets on the road.Jordan candidly discusses the challenges and strengths of being an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing, the importance of empathy, and how learning about personality types has improved his marriage and parenting. He also shares the inspiration behind his children's book “Beloved,” and the story of how gratitude helped him overcome a painful season of anxiety, inspiring his latest single, "Somebody Praise God for That."Together, Kim, Ben, and Jordan delve into the beauty and burden of being a peacemaker, navigating different personalities within family and friendships, and the spiritual growth that comes through gratitude and self-awareness.KEY TAKEAWAYSEnneagram Journey: Jordan is an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing. He highlights how understanding his type, and those of others, has brought empathy and patience into his life, marriage, and parenting.Energy, Personality, and Performance: Despite common perceptions about Type 9s and energy, Jordan discusses how being an “extroverted nine” impacts his performance and interactions, noting that meet-and-greets can be more draining than concerts because of their emotional intensity.Marriage and Communication: Learning about Enneagram types has strengthened his marriage. Understanding his wife Jamie's (Type 6, wing 7) needs and communication styles helps them find common ground, especially during challenging conversations.Parenting: Jordan and his wife observe emerging personality traits in their children, tailoring their parenting approach to support their uniqueness and foster secure identities."Beloved" and Affirming Identity: The book and song “Beloved” were born from a desire to instill unconditional worth in children, combating cultural pressures with the truth of God's love.Anxiety & Gratitude: Jordan's story of overcoming a season of anxiety by intentionally practicing gratitude demonstrates the transformative power of thankfulness and praising God in all circumstances.Spirituality in Practice: He emphasizes that living out faith is about day-to-day relationship and practicing gratitude, not just “checking off” religious duties.Future Orientation: Jordan shares that he and his family are learning to live with open hands concerning the future, choosing faith and flexibility as they wait on God's guidance.RESOURCESJordan Feliz Official Website: www.jordanfeliz.comBeloved (Children's Book): Learn more about the inspirational children's book referenced in the episode. store.centricitymusic.com/products/beloved-bookMUSIC BY JORDAN FELIZ“The River”“Beloved”“Jesus Is Coming Back”“Somebody Praise God for That”WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don't forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

If you saw the production of NOAH at Sight & Sound Theater in Lancaster, PA, you probably saw Karen Knight on stage in her role as “Mrs. Noah”! Growing up in a military family meant that Karen traveled a LOT. Despite her lack of ‘roots' in the physical, Karen is deeply rooted in God!She tells her story with quiet confidence that God has directed her path and opened the doors as He has led her to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ through speaking and song. She is a gifted storyteller and in this episode you'll get to know a little bit of the heart behind the microphone.SHOW NOTESKaren Knight, Heartsongs Ministries, Inc.Contact Karen:Web: www.karenknight.orgEmail: HeartsongsByKaren@gmail.comThe Three Wise Women of Christmas: Inspirational Speaking, Storytelling and Music - Prepare your heart for the Holidays with meaningful lessons about reducing Holiday stress from the women who experienced the first Christmas: The Innkeeper's Wife who had to adjust her priorities, The Shepherdess, who almost missed it, and Mary herself, whose faith gave her heavenly peace. Using props and costumes pieces, this will be the refreshment you need to start your celebrations with new meaning!Staff Writer for Unshackled.org (Unshackled! is a radio drama series produced by Pacific Garden Mission, in Chicago, Illinois, that first aired on September 23, 1950. It is one of the longest-running radio dramas in history and one of a very few still in production in the United States.)Direct questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

A faith-filled international adventure for kids ages 8-12 about facing the past to embrace the future.Daniel likes his life the way it is. Simple. Predictable. And most importantly, just him and his older brother, Mateo. But as Mateo's wedding approaches, life is already changing. And Daniel worries Mateo's fiancée, Skylar, will ruin everything.When Skylar disappears a week before the ceremony, Daniel's concerns are confirmed. Skylar is trouble. The wedding must be stopped. Drawing on his twelve years of wisdom, Daniel vows to save his family from disaster. Even if that means traveling to Guatemala—the home of his father, and the last place he ever wanted to visit.Daniel must sabotage the search for Skylar before Mateo makes the biggest mistake of his life.Becca Wierwille writes stories to show kids they are wonderfully created for the unique adventures in their lives. Born with only half of her right arm, she aims to help others find beauty in what makes them extraordinary. Mom by day and novelist by relatively early in the morning, she wishes she could eat peach pie as often as most writers drink coffee.Despite her dreams of sandy beaches and mountain peaks, she loves living in Pennsylvania with her family. Road Trip Rescue is Becca's debut novel.Like Kimmy, the main character in Road Trip Rescue, Becca was born missing half of her right arm.As a parent and a former teacher, she writes stories to show kids they are wonderfully created for the unique adventures in their lives. They are not perfect, but they are extraordinary, and they are loved. And every adventure will be better when they know they're not alone.Learn more about the book at beccawierwille.com or follow her on social media @beccawierwillePlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Chuck and Roxy are back flying solo and open the show with some announcements and a very special RIP for Loretta Swit.  Next it's time to “Meet the Littles” as our hosts welcome David Consiglio to the podcast.  We get to hear first hand how Tony was not exaggerating about his water bill in Rehoboth Beach! (14:00)  PLUG: Scott McClatchy Music www.scottmcclatchy.com PLUG: Tri-State Liquors www.tristateliquors.comThen our hosts close out the show with a TV review of The Pitt and movie reviews of The Karate Kid (Legends) and Sinners. (41:00)SONGS: “RADIO” and “ROCK AND ROLL ROMEO” by Scott McClatchy and the Mercy Hang BandJINGLE: “So This Is The Quip Ad” A parody of a song by John Lennon/Yoko Ono. Lyrics by David Consiglio and Joe Aro  Vocals by Joe Aro Recorded: 04/28/2019  Released: 04/28/2019  First aired: 05/02/2019Podcast Website - www.loyallittlespod.com  Patreon: www.patreon.com/c/loyallittlespod/membershipPodcast Email - WTFCPODNET@GMAIL.COMTwitter:@loyallittlespod Instagram: @theloyallittlespodcastPODCAST LOGO DESIGN by Eric Londergan www.redbubble.com Search: ericlondergan or copy and paste this link! https://www.redbubble.com/people/ericlondergan/shop

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They're coming in concert to the Delaware State Fair on Tuesday, July 22nd, and you can get to know more about them BEFORE they arrive... they're Caleb and John.Check out this month's podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me as Ben and Kim sit down with The Bridge artists Caleb and John. We learn how the Enneagram is a tool they utilize in their lives, all while keeping their focus on Jesus.WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don't forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

What would YOU do if your father, standing in the front hall next to the grandfather clock, suddenly vanishes? Your buddy's mom helps you file a police report—but everyone is too puzzled to be helpful. Then you take a walk in your down-and-out neighborhood and find a clock shop where there had only been an empty building the day before. You walk in, and...Phyllis Wheeler set a goal at age 13 to write a children's book, a journey with lots of detours that have taken many years. She's written for daily newspapers, worked on airplanes as a mechanical engineer, and raised four children including triplet boys, doing some homeschooling along the way, writing and selling the first computer programming curriculum for homeschoolers.She has lived in various places, including as a child in pre-Civil-Rights Mississippi. But for most of her adult life, she has called St. Louis home. Phyllis Wheeler tells stories that encourage us to step outside our comfort zones. She's done it—she and her husband spent twenty years raising their family in a black neighborhood in segregated St. Louis.She's been a journalist, an engineer, and a homeschooling mom. Now she's thrilled to be following her dream of authoring books for young people.Homeschoolers will be interested in her Youtube channel, Bringing Up Booklovers which features interviews with authors of middle-grade books, and reviews of books for homeschoolers.Learn more about her books and get a free short story when you sign up for her occasional newsletter at PhyllisWheeler.comPlease share StoryJumpers with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. StoryJumpers is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to show the specific areas that we need to let Christ transform.For each type, we'll look at our view, where we get stuck, how we try to fix it, and what we can become in Christ.WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don't forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

You know the adage "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger"? There are four very important words left off of that statement… "IF YOU SO CHOOSE!".Beth Fritzeen shares her journey of heartbreak and healing after going through some hard losses. How do you find courage to do the hard things? How do you survive, and more importantly, THRIVE when you find yourself struggling with injustice?Beth's story will encourage you to embrace the presence of God's goodness in your life and inspire you to find your hope, healing and courage in Jesus!Show Notes: John 16:33Jeremiah 29:11"It's Not Supposed To Be This Way"by Lysa Terkeurst"Forgiving What You Can't Forget"by Lysa TerkeurstDirect questions & comments to: podcast@wearethebridge.orgDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to point out how the Gospel frees you to become your best self.We'll look at what our Auto-Pilot or average mindset, our unhealthy version, and our healthy selves in each type can look like.WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don't forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you're not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!

Cadie Fagg is a beautiful, vibrant young woman who has discovered why she's here and is living in the intersection of her faith, passion and purpose! The road to get here has not been easy. In fact, she ended up in multiple situations and places that could have ended very badly. But God!He rescued Cadie and she sat down recently with Denise Harper to tell her story. This is one you will, no doubt, want to share with someone once you've heard it. God is still changing hearts and lives today and there is hope for those who feel hopeless.If that's you then - this one is for you. If you're standing in the gap for someone who is struggling - this one is for you! Be encouraged. God sees you!Show Notes:Fisher of Men MinistriesWeb: www.FisherOfMenFoundation.orgFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/Fisherofmen.usTo contact Cadie, email: girlsforgospels@gmail.comDenise Harper's new book, “Treasured Inside - Devotions With Denise,” is available at Amazon, Apple, Target, and more. For more information, email Denise at: denise@wearethebridge.orgDid you know you can now watch Over the Rims of Mugs?Visit https://www.wearethebridge.org/mugsvideoPlease share Over the Rims of Mugs with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. Over the Rims of Mugs is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!