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What if wilderness therapy has been helping people heal for a long time—but the field never fully understood why it works? In this episode Will sits down with Rob Meltzer, founder of the new Wilderness Therapy Institute. Rob explains why he believes wilderness therapy may function as a form of "metabolic health treatment" and shares groundbreaking efforts to study how sleep, movement, sunlight, nutrition, circadian rhythm, inflammation, and extended time in nature impact mental health. The conversation explores emerging research in metabolic psychiatry, biological mechanisms of healing, and why wilderness experiences may create profound psychological and physiological change. At the same time, this episode does not avoid the field's controversies. Rob and Will examine critical questions surrounding authority, transport practices, ethical intervention, trauma, and the evolving identity of wilderness therapy in a post-"Hell Camp" era. Rob argues that the field must improve without losing its core foundations: extended wilderness immersion, primitive living, deep human connection, and nature-based healing. This episode will resonate with therapists, researchers, parents, former students, outdoor professionals, and anyone questioning both the promise and the problems of wilderness therapy today. Wilderness Therapy Institute Webpage: Rob was featured in pervious episodes: Episode 5: Rob Meltzer, educational consultant and founder of the wilderness therapy symposium 201: Celebrating 20 Years of Wilderness Therapy Symposium This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
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Inside the Troubled Teen Industry: Wilderness Therapy, Residential Treatment, and the Harm Done to Kids – An Interview with Chelsea Maldonado and Dr. Will Dobud Dr. Will Dobud and survivor advocate Chelsea Maldonado on wilderness therapy, residential treatment, institutional abuse, and what therapists need to know to support troubled teen industry survivors. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Will Dobud and Chelsea Maldonado about what actually happens inside the troubled teen industry, why the marketing rarely matches the reality, and how wilderness therapy programs and residential treatment facilities continue to operate despite decades of survivor testimony, documented abuse, and youth deaths. The conversation covers why so many adopted youth and foster youth end up in these facilities, how restraints, isolation, and medical neglect produce lasting trauma, and why power dynamics and institutional structure undermine real therapeutic work. Will and Chelsea also discuss the silence of professional associations after youth deaths, the recent Atlantis Leadership Academy case in Jamaica, and what therapists working with troubled teen industry survivors can do to create safer therapeutic relationships. In this episode, we discuss: What therapists get wrong about wilderness therapy and residential treatment Why "round the clock therapy" marketing rarely matches the reality inside facilities How restraints, isolation, and medical neglect cause lasting harm Why adopted youth and foster youth are disproportionately placed in these programs The role of power dynamics and institutional structure in the troubled teen industry Why survivors are highly traumatized and highly therapy resistant How therapists can work more safely and effectively with survivors The silence of professional associations after youth deaths in licensed, accredited facilities Timestamps: 07:34 – What actually happens inside troubled teen industry facilities 13:04 – Katie reflects on her own residential treatment experience 16:28 – Common harms: restraints, medical neglect, sexual abuse 19:38 – Power, conversion-style programming, and adopted youth 24:31 – Why these facilities still exist 28:07 – Attachment, restraints, and institutional contradictions 33:00 – What actually helps youth in crisis 38:14 – The Atlantis Leadership Academy case and survivor-led advocacy Guests: Dr. Will Dobud, Senior Lecturer in Social Work at Charles Sturt University and former wilderness therapy field guide whose research focuses on improving outcomes for teenagers and exposing harm in the troubled teen industry (willdobud.com). Chelsea Maldonado, troubled teen industry survivor, lead researcher for the Trapped in Treatment podcast, and consultant to Paris Hilton's nonprofit 11:11 Media Impact (1111mediaimpact.com). Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com Join the Modern Therapist Community Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Creative Credits Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/
What happens when a field built on healing becomes shaped by money? In this episode, Will revisits a 2020 exploration of the business of wilderness therapy—tracing its evolution from nonprofit, mission-driven roots to a rapidly expanding, privately funded industry. From early non-profits programs to the rise of private-pay models in the 1980s and the explosive growth fueled by outside investment, this episode examines how financial forces didn't just support wilderness therapy—they fundamentally shaped its direction, priorities, and structure. And what happens when that money leaves? In a candid reflection recorded in 2026, Will revisits his earlier assumptions and confronts what's changed: the collapse of programs tied to venture capital, the shrinking of industry organizations, and the loss of research funding that once legitimized the field. As closures in recent years have come faster and more abruptly than in past downturns, this episode asks a difficult question—can a field rooted in care and connection survive the realities of a risk-averse, profit-driven system? This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
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ABOUT THE EPISODE:Will White has been doing this work since last century, and he means that literally. Licensed since 1989, he has worked in group homes, boarding schools, mental health centers, and in 1996, co-founded Summit Achievement, a wilderness therapy program he ran for nearly 27 years. When he tells you the landscape of behavioral health for young people has shifted more in the last five years than in the previous three decades combined, he knows what he's talking about. The externalizers of a generation ago, the kids who broke things, slammed doors, and announced their pain loudly, have largely given way to a different kind of struggling young person. One who is anxious, inward, and frozen. Who won't leave the room, won't leave the house, and whose parents keep quietly rearranging life around them in an effort to keep the peace. Will has watched this pattern closely, including at Mountain Valley Treatment Center, where young residents had become so overwhelmed by anxiety that the outside world felt completely out of reach. The treatment models that worked before are not always the ones that work now, and the gap between what young people need and what is actually available to them is widening.That gap is exactly what Will set out to address when he helped launch The Trade, a new nonprofit program in rural New Hampshire for young adults (all genders) ages 18 to 30. It's not a therapy program in the traditional sense and if you have a young person stuck in that uncomfortable in-between of not ready for college, not ready for independence, but also not well-served by just being home, it may be exactly what you did not know to look for.I wanted Will back on the show (he appears way back in episode 14) because his view of the bigger picture is one I trust. In this conversation, we talk about the seismic shifts in behavioral health, what is driving the rise in anxiety, and why less talk and more doing might be what this generation actually needs. If your young person is stuck and none of the usual paths seem to fit, this one is for you.YOU'LL LEARN:The shift Will has watched from externalizing kids to anxious, frozen ones, and what he believes is behind itWhat The Trade is and who it's built forWhy apprentices get paid from day one, and what receiving a first paycheck does to a young personThe over-accommodation pattern Will kept seeing in parents, and when caring starts to make things worseWhat Will leaves exhausted parents with, from someone who has been doing this work for four decadesEPISODE RESOURCES:The Trade websiteWill White on Hopestream episode #14Trish Ruggles, Therapeutic Consultant at Pathfinder ConsultingMountain Valley Treatment Center websiteThis podcast is part of a nonprofit called Hopestream CommunityLearn about The Stream, our private online community for momsFind us on Instagram hereWatch the podcast on YouTube hereDownload a free e-book, Worried Sick: A Compassionate Guide For Parents When Your Teen or Young Adult Child Misuses Drugs and AlcoholHopestream Community is a registered 501(c)3 nonprofit organization and an Amazon Associate. We may make a small commission if you purchase from our links.
How did wilderness therapy become outdoor behavioral healthcare—and who made that shift possible? In this re-released and historically significant episode Will sits down with Dr. Madolyn Liebing, widely considered the first licensed mental health professional to work in a primitive skills wilderness therapy program. As a co-founder of Aspen Achievement Academy in 1988, Dr. Liebing helped transform early outdoor programs from survival-based experiences into clinically grounded treatment—introducing psychological assessments, treatment planning, and family systems work into the wilderness. In this powerful conversation, Dr. Liebing shares her journey from high school counselor to trailblazing psychologist, her role in shaping Utah's first wilderness therapy licensing standards, and her perspective on how the field has evolved over decades. She reflects on the integration of trauma work, attachment theory, and family therapy in outdoor settings at Legacy Outdoor Adventures—and why the combination of clinical sophistication and immersive nature experiences remains so effective today. For anyone interested in the history, ethics, and future of wilderness therapy, this episode is essential listening. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
Who really built wilderness therapy—and how did a lawyer with no formal clinical training help shape one of the most influential models in outdoor mental health treatment? In this episode Will revisits a powerful 2019 interview with L. Jay Mitchell, founder of SUWS (School of Urban and Wilderness Survival). Mitchell shares his unlikely path—from a difficult adolescence and early inspiration from Kurt Hahn, to law school, military service as a JAG attorney, and ultimately creating one of the first wilderness therapy programs in the United States. This episode explores the early roots of wilderness therapy, including its connections to Outward Bound, anthropology, and experiential learning long before the field became clinically driven. Mitchell offers candid and at times provocative reflections on what actually creates change in young people—challenging traditional mental health treatment models and questioning the role of clinicians in wilderness therapy's evolution. He recounts the founding of SUWS in the early 1980s, the program's early success without licensed therapists, and the deeper elements that made it effective: relationships, environment, challenge, and purpose. The conversation also traces his later innovations, including Aldredge Academy's rite-of-passage model and his concerns about the future of the industry as it becomes more clinical and profit-driven. For anyone interested in the history of wilderness therapy, outdoor behavioral healthcare, and alternative approaches to mental health treatment, this episode offers a rare and essential perspective from one of the field's original pioneers. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats and coaching for men and facilitated by Will White.
Wilderness therapy didn't start with therapists—it evolved with the help of an ex-con who found his heart of service to others in recovery. In this episode Will shares the powerful story of Larry Wells—an early pioneer whose lived experience shaped the foundations of early wilderness therapy programs. From his teenage years in jail to his exposure to the outdoors in a federal prison camp, Larry's journey reveals how connection, purpose, and challenge became the roots of a new approach to helping struggling young people through the outdoors. Through the creation of Expedition Outreach in the 1970's, his work with VisionQuest, SUWS, and others, and then later the founding of Wilderness Quest, Larry helped define the early models of wilderness therapy—often learning through trial and error in real time. This episode explores the evolution of his philosophy from pushing people to their limits toward building connection, safety, and recovery through experiential work in the outdoors. For those in the field—and anyone on a path of recovery—this is a story about how wilderness therapy evolved, what it got right, what it got wrong, and what still matters most. Mentioned in this episode: 2019 interview on this podcast with Larry Wells's Daughter- Angela Wells Starnes Link to doctoral dissertation with Larry Wells Interview Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How did wilderness therapy survive the crises of the early 1990s — and why did some of its earliest leaders continue to believe in the work even as the field faced national criticism? In this episode of Stories from the Field we hear a rare 2008 interview with wilderness therapy pioneer Larry Dean Olsen and his former student and colleague Ezekiel Sanchez. They reflect on Larry's survival courses at Brigham Young University in the late 1960s, where struggling students often returned from wilderness expeditions with new confidence and direction — experiences that helped lead to the founding of the Anasazi Foundation, one of the longest continuously operating wilderness therapy programs in the United States. The conversation also explores the rapid growth of wilderness programs in the 1980s and many of them springing from former students of BYU's survival course, including the development of Challenger Foundation and SUWS, and the intense scrutiny that followed several highly publicized deaths in the early 1990s. Larry speaks candidly about defending the field during that time, arguing that while some programs failed, the core idea — that challenge, responsibility, and time in the natural world can help young people change — remained sound. This episode offers a rare firsthand account from two of the elders of the field. To read the dissertation mentioned in the episode it is available on line- Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy I want to thank the Olsen family, Ezekiel Sanchez and Anasazi for letting me share these stories over the years. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How and why did wilderness therapy ignite in the American West? In this episode of Stories from the Field Will explores the life and influence of Larry Dean Olsen, one of the key figures behind the primitive skills model used in many wilderness therapy programs. Through his work at Brigham Young University, including the well-known BYU 480 survival course, Olsen showed that powerful personal change could happen when modern comforts were removed and people were challenged to depend on themselves, the group, and the natural world. This episode looks at Olsen's book Outdoor Survival Skills, his work as a consultant on the film Jeremiah Johnson, his role in the development of early wilderness programs like SUWS, and his co-founding of the Anasazi Foundation and how his philosophy helped shape modern outdoor behavioral healthcare. Often called the father of primitive survival education, Olsen believed change comes through experience, simplicity, and responsibility. This is Part 1 of a two-part series. In the next episode, Will shares a rare interview with Larry Dean Olsen and the other co-founder of Anasazi Foundation, Ezekiel Sanchez. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White. To read more about Larry Dean Olsen and the early years of wilderness therapy read Will's doctoral dissertation: Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy To listen to an episode mentioned in this podcast how SUWS was founded.
Outward Bound is not about therapy. It began during World War II as a response to a fear that young sailors were not resilient enough to survive the sinking of their ships. Founded to build endurance, discipline, and leadership under extreme adversity, Outward Bound introduced the expeditionary model — challenge, crew, service, and solo — long before those elements became staples of wilderness therapy programs. In this episode of Stories from the Field, Will traces the history of Outward Bound from Kurt Hahn's philosophy and exile from Nazi Germany to the rise of Outward Bound USA and its lasting influence on modern wilderness therapy. Along the way, we explore early research with adjudicated youth, partnerships with mental health institutions, and the professionalization of outdoor leadership through figures like Paul Petzoldt and the founding of NOLS. If you want to understand the origins of wilderness therapy and outdoor behavioral healthcare, you must understand Outward Bound. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
The thought of wilderness therapy for your struggling kid can feel simultaneously hopeful and terrifying. Is it too extreme? Is it necessary? How do you even know? And how do you trust the people who would be caring for your child?In this episode, I sit down with Danny Frazer, one of the founding partners of Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, to talk honestly about what makes wilderness therapy work, and what doesn't. We explore why Open Sky stood out in the field, what parents should look for in a program, and why the single biggest predictor of success isn't your teen's effort… it's yours.Danny shares the origin story behind Open Sky's family-centered model, why enrolling the whole family changes everything, and what he wishes every parent knew before making this incredibly hard decision. We also talk about the grief in the field right now, the contraction of wilderness programs, and why he believes the future still holds hope for nature-based healing.If you are weighing treatment options for your struggling teen or young adult child, or simply trying to understand what wilderness therapy really involves, this conversation will give you clarity, perspective, and compassion.In this episode on wilderness therapy for struggling teens, we discuss:What made Open Sky's approach different in the wilderness therapy field;Why parent engagement is the biggest predictor of success in treatment;How to know when wilderness therapy might be the right next step;Red flags and green flags to look for in a wilderness program;The importance of accreditation, transparency, and leadership involvement;Why most parents don't regret intervening, even when the decision feels agonizing;The emotional toll on families (and program leaders) during treatment;Where wilderness therapy is headed and what the future may look like.Looking for support?
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ABOUT THE EPISODE: When parents hear "wilderness therapy," their minds often race to worst-case scenarios: punishment, boot camps, kids forced to survive in harsh conditions. But Trish Ruggles, who spent over a decade as a field guide and wilderness therapist before becoming an educational consultant, has a different story to tell. After 21 years in the field and working with countless families through Pathfinder Consulting, Trish knows that wilderness therapy has evolved dramatically from its origins.What makes wilderness therapy effective isn't the outdoor skills or fresh air - though those certainly help. It's magic lies in the complete removal of 'noise.' When you take a struggling adolescent out of their always-on life and place them in the wilderness, the volume goes down on everything that keeps them from thriving. No bedroom door to close, no delivery apps to summon food, no distractions to buffer the work of actually facing themselves. And there are immediate, natural consequences their adolescent brain can actually understand.Trish's approach is refreshingly honest and practical. She'll be the first to tell you wilderness therapy isn't for everyone, but for the kid who's stuck in their room, the one running wild in the streets, or the treatment-experienced individual who knows how to game the residential system, wilderness creates something that can't be replicated indoors: a space where you can't phone it in, where every action impacts your group, and where real-life consequences teach more than any lecture ever could.You'll learn:Key myths and facts about today's outdoor behavioral health offeringsThe critical, natural consequences that wilderness experiences provide in real-timeHow wilderness has evolved from its primitive rootsWhy adopted kids and those with attachment challenges often thrive in wilderness despite parents' fearsThe truth about getting kids to agree to, and actually go to an outdoor, adventure or wilderness programEPISODE RESOURCES:Website Trish Ruggles Trish on Hopestream episode 202 Will White's Hopestream podcast episode 14 This podcast is part of a nonprofit called Hopestream CommunityGet our free, 4-video course, Hope Starts Here, and access to our Limited Membership hereLearn about The Stream, our private online community for momsFind us on Instagram hereWatch the podcast on YouTube hereDownload a free e-book, Worried Sick: A Compassionate Guide For Parents When Your Teen or Young Adult Child Misuses Drugs and AlcoholHopestream Community is a registered 501(c)3 nonprofit organization and an Amazon Associate. We may make a small commission if you purchase from our links.
In a moment when wilderness therapy is often framed as either a miracle or a menace, what gets lost when we stop listening for the full human story? In this special episode of Stories from the Field Will is joined by filmmakers Vince Dixon and Mark Strauss, the directors of the upcoming film Forest Through the Trees: The Truth About Wilderness Therapy. Will is also serving as a one of the producers on the project. Together, they explore what drew Vince and Mark to wilderness therapy as a subject, how their assumptions have been challenged through a year of research and interviews, and why the field cannot be understood through a single narrative shaped by headlines or popular media alone. A clear theme emerges: wilderness therapy is not a single model or idea, but a diverse and evolving field that resists simple labels of "good" or "bad." The conversation explores what it takes to tell a responsible story in a deeply polarized landscape. As directors, Vince and Mark outline their commitment to ethical, balanced storytelling—actively seeking out critical voices alongside positive outcomes, examining cost, access, safety, and history, and responding thoughtfully to the cultural impact of films like Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare. As a producer on the film, Will reflects on why this kind of nuanced storytelling matters right now: not to defend or condemn the field, but to expand understanding, foster empathy, and help listeners grasp why families turn to wilderness therapy when they feel out of options—while honoring the real complexity and controversy surrounding outdoor mental health care. To learn more about the documentary check out the website: https://www.wildernessdocumentary.com/ This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
Wilderness therapy isn't dying. It's growing. In this milestone 300th episode of Stories from the Field, host Dr. Will White sits down with guest host Jake Weld to reflect on nearly a decade of conversations exploring wilderness therapy, outdoor behavioral healthcare, and the evolving relationship between mental health and the outdoors. Drawing from hundreds of interviews, download data, and personal experience, Will examines why episodes centered on controversy, trauma, and program closures continue to draw the most attention—and what those patterns reveal about public perception of the field. But this episode isn't an obituary. It's a reassessment. Will argues that while traditional long-term wilderness programs for adolescents have narrowed, outdoor mental health is quietly expanding through outpatient care, coaching, retreats, community-based models, and new hybrid approaches. Episode 300 offers a rare long-view perspective on how definitions, power, and practice have shifted—and why reports of wilderness therapy's demise may be missing the bigger story. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
How did an early twentieth-century psychiatric institution help shape what would later become wilderness therapy? In this episode, our host Dr. Will White continues Season 26's exploration of a history of wilderness therapy by examining a little-known moment from 1901 at the New York Hospital for the Insane on Ward's Island. During a tuberculosis outbreak, hospital administrators moved psychiatric patients into tents on the hospital grounds as a public-health measure—an intervention never intended to be therapeutic. What followed surprised staff: patients living outdoors showed notable psychological and physical improvement. Drawing on historical research and overlooked accounts of early "tent therapy," this episode explores why those gains were difficult to sustain once patients returned indoors, and how institutional priorities such as efficiency, scale, and growth often overtook treatment needs. This story raises enduring questions about the environment, systems of care, and the challenge of maintaining change—questions that continue to shape wilderness therapy, outdoor mental health treatment, and institutional models of care today. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
Social psychology expert Brant Elwood joins me to explore the fascinating and often troubling world of unconscious group dynamics. Brant brings a unique perspective, having spent four years as a field guide in wilderness therapy—accumulating over 10,000 hours working with small groups—before transitioning into organizational psychology and leadership consulting.We dive deep into the phenomenon of scapegoating: why groups unconsciously select certain members to carry their collective anxiety, how the scapegoat often cooperates with this unspoken contract, and what happens when that person leaves. Brant shares compelling examples from Tavistock group relations conferences and primate research to illustrate how these dynamics play out across species.I also share my own experience of being scapegoated in a T-group during grad school, and we explore how our childhood wounds create "Velcro" for these projections to stick. We discuss the role of humor as a potential escape route, what healthy leadership looks like, and why some organizations become addicted to crisis. The conversation takes a meaningful turn toward Nathaniel Brandon's work on self-esteem—what it truly means beyond the smarmy 90s version—and how a leader's unintegrated material gets amplified throughout an organization. This episode offers valuable insights for anyone navigating workplace dynamics or seeking to understand group psychology.Brant Elwood has a MA in Social-Organizational Psychology from Columbia University. He has held consulting roles and leadership positions within several therapeutic treatment organizations. During the pandemic, he directed a non-profit that utilized myth and archetypal theory to conduct rites of passage work with young men in the southeast US. Brant draws from the mythopoetic lineage of Robert Bly, Robert Johnson, and others in an attempt to establish a novel style of thinking about groups in communities and organizations. He first attended a Tavistock-style group relations conference in 2015. Follow him on X @thegrouplens. Find his book on Amazon: Gods, Heroes, and Groups: Relational Dynamics Through Mythic Archetypes.[00:00:00] Start[00:00:38] Introduction to Brant Elwood[00:01:40] Background in Wilderness Therapy[00:04:01] Tavistock Group Relations Conferences[00:15:59] The Psychology of Scapegoating[00:28:19] Projective Identification and Personal Wounds[00:40:47] Qualities of Healthy Organizations[00:45:30] Toxic Workplace Dynamics Case Study[00:54:21] Nathaniel Brandon's Self-Esteem Framework[01:09:00] Christian Perspective on Self-Worth[01:15:45] Crisis of Faith in Therapy Field[01:17:29] Where to Find Brant and His BookROGD REPAIR Course + Community gives concerned parents instant access to over 120 lessons providing the psychological insights and communication tools you need to get through to your kid. Now featuring 24/7 personalized AI support implementing the tools with RepairBot! Use code SOMETHERAPIST2025 to take 50% off your first month.PODCOURSES: use code SOMETHERAPIST at LisaMustard.com/PodCoursesTALK TO ME: book a meeting.PRODUCTION: Looking for your own podcast producer? Visit PodsByNick.com and mention my podcast for 20% off your initial services.SUPPORT THE SHOW: subscribe, like, comment, & share or donate.Watch NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care. Use code SOMETHERAPIST to take 20% off your order.MUSIC: Thanks to Joey Pecoraro for our song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude & permission. ALL OTHER LINKS HERE. To support this show, please leave a rating & review on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe, like, comment & share via my YouTube channel. Or recommend this to a friend!Learn more about Do No Harm.Take $200 off your EightSleep Pod Pro Cover with code SOMETHERAPIST at EightSleep.com.Take 20% off all superfood beverages with code SOMETHERAPIST at Organifi.Check out my shop for book recommendations + wellness products.Show notes & transcript provided with the help of SwellAI.Special thanks to Joey Pecoraro for our theme song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude and permission.Watch NO WAY BACK: The Reality of Gender-Affirming Care (our medical ethics documentary, formerly known as Affirmation Generation). Stream the film or purchase a DVD. Use code SOMETHERAPIST to take 20% off your order. Follow us on X @2022affirmation or Instagram at @affirmationgeneration.Have a question for me? Looking to go deeper and discuss these ideas with other listeners? Join my Locals community! Members get to ask questions I will respond to in exclusive, members-only livestreams, post questions for upcoming guests to answer, plus other perks TBD. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
Where did wilderness therapy actually begin—and why is it so hard to define? In the opening episode of Season 26 of Stories from the Field, host Dr. Will White launches a season-long exploration of a history of wilderness therapy. Drawing from decades of experience, doctoral research, and nearly 300 podcast conversations, Will reflects on why the field resists a single origin story or definition. From Boy Scouts to Outward Bound to Brigham Young University and therapeutic camping to psychology, education, and cultural movements, this episode explains why wilderness therapy's roots are complex—and why that complexity matters. The episode then traces the early foundations of wilderness therapy in the United States back to the organized camping movement of the1800s, with an in-depth look at Camp Chocorua, a radical experiment in responsibility, work, and community. Long before wilderness therapy existed as a formal mental health practice, these early camps used outdoor living to shape character and resilience. This season-opening episode sets the historical groundwork for the conversations ahead and invites listeners to approach the field's past—and its future—with curiosity and care. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
Does wilderness therapy create an altered state similar to psychedelic-assisted therapy? And what can both approaches teach us about trauma, embodiment, and lasting change?In this final episode of Season 25, Will sits down with Dr. Sandy Newes, a psychologist, educator, and longtime experiential practitioner whose career bridges wilderness therapy, trauma-informed care, and psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. A 2025 recipient of the Association for Experiential Education Michael Stratton Practitioner Award, Sandy reflects on decades in the field—exploring how experience, embodiment, and nervous system regulation can create meaningful change far beyond insight alone. Together, Will and Sandy examine the surprising parallels between wilderness therapy and psychedelic-assisted therapy, including altered states, ethical use of power, choice and agency, and the importance of strong therapeutic containers. They also reflect on the evolution of wilderness therapy—what has been lost, what still matters, and why outdoor-based mental health treatment remains essential despite controversy and program closures. This conversation serves as a powerful bridge into Season 26 of Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors, which will explore the complex history, ethics, and future of outdoor behavioral healthcare. To connect with Dr. Newes and hear her podcast- check out her website- https://livingmedicineinstitute.com/about/ This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
A group of troubled teenage boys are kidnapped from their homes and taken deep into the unforgiving Utah desert, where they are forced into a brutal and secretive "Wilderness Therapy" program. With no contact with the outside world, their only way home is to earn the approval of the enigmatic program director-whose motives are far from therapeutic. As the line between rehabilitation and manipulation blurs, the boys must decide whether to survive the program or escape it.THE WILDERNESS is written and directed by Spencer King (Nickels, Time Now) and produced by Emmy-winning actor Aaron Paul ("Breaking Bad") alongside Academy Award-nominee Amy Berg (It's Never Over, Jeff Buckley).Here's the trailer:Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_IEFPnFGAc Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-like-it-s-live--4113802/support.
A group of troubled teenage boys are kidnapped from their homes and taken deep into the unforgiving Utah desert, where they are forced into a brutal and secretive "Wilderness Therapy" program. With no contact with the outside world, their only way home is to earn the approval of the enigmatic program director-whose motives are far from therapeutic. As the line between rehabilitation and manipulation blurs, the boys must decide whether to survive the program or escape it.THE WILDERNESS is written and directed by Spencer King (Nickels, Time Now) and produced by Emmy-winning actor Aaron Paul ("Breaking Bad") alongside Academy Award-nominee Amy Berg (It's Never Over, Jeff Buckley).Here's the trailer:Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_IEFPnFGAc Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-unplugged-totally-uncut--994165/support.
What is the most controversial program in the history of wilderness therapy? Some might say it's the very program podcast host Will White was compelled to attend as a teenager. In this deeply personal and historical episode, Will shares—for the first time in full—the origin story that shaped his life and ultimately his 35-year career in mental health treatment in outdoor settings. Sent by his parents at fourteen to a "wilderness therapy program" long before the field formally existed, Will describes how the experience built him, challenged him, and exposed him to both mentorship and harm. He also reveals how this same organization later became the center of national protest, legal battles, and cultural upheaval—rhyming in striking ways with the controversies surrounding modern wilderness therapy. This special episode serves as a teaser for Season 26, where Will explores the tangled and surprising origins of wilderness therapy, drawing from his doctoral dissertation Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy, his book Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy, and conversations from this podcast. If you're curious about the real roots of wilderness therapy—its innovations, its failures, its controversies, and its lasting impact—this episode sets the stage for the most comprehensive historical exploration ever undertaken in the outdoor behavioral health space. This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men and facilitated by Will White.
What do wilderness therapy outcomes really tell us? In this episode, Will talks with researchers Dr. Joanna Bettmann Schaefer and Dr. Laura Mills, two leading researchers studying outcomes in wilderness therapy and residential outdoor treatment. Drawing on data from thousands of adolescents across multiple programs, they reveal what the evidence shows about who benefits most—and who may not—from outdoor behavioral healthcare. Their conversation explores why family engagement is such a powerful predictor of success, how adopted and neurodiverse adolescents often experience different outcomes, and why a teen's sense of belonging in treatment matters. Joanna and Laura also discuss the importance of transparency, ongoing outcome measurement, and listening to those who felt harmed by treatment. For parents, professionals, and anyone seeking facts over assumptions, this episode brings clarity to what outcome research really shows about wilderness therapy today. To find the research discussed in this episode: Dr. Bettman-Schaefer research page- https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joanna-Bettmann-Schaefer To contact Dr. Bettman-Shaefer- u0046267@utah.edu Dr. Laura Mills research page- https://www.bestnotes.com/our-advisors/laura-mills-ph-d-qm-psych/ To contact Dr. Mills- laura@outcometools.com This podcast is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute (wmai.org), offering adventure inspired retreats for men.
Q&A on The Wilderness with actor & producer Hunter Doohan and writer/director/producer Spencer King. Moderated by Mara Webster, In Creative Company. Troubled teens attend a Wilderness Therapy program in Utah's desert, navigating personal challenges amidst the harsh Outback environment.
What happens when you carry months of depression into the wilderness? Host Art Blanchford shares his raw, transformative journey through Maine's 100 Mile Wilderness with his cousin and therapist-in-training Jim Hunt. Within three days, Art's depression lifted. His body reset. And without forcing it, profound clarity emerged. They explore the fear of feeling sadness, why stuck emotions create depression, and how disconnecting from modern life reconnected Art with what truly matters. "Sadness is not a problem," Art reflects. "Stuck sadness is a problem." Can you grab clarity by reaching into muddy water? Or must you let it settle? This vulnerable conversation offers hope for anyone navigating transition, grief, or the search for purpose.Jim Hunt, BSEE, MSW-student, is a Carnegie Mellon electrical engineering graduate transitioning from a 25-year technology career to become a therapist. After spending two years on a self-driven healing quest exploring relationships, trauma, and mental health, Jim is now completing his master's in social work at the University of Kentucky. As Art Blanchford's cousin and best friend, Jim brings both deep personal connection and emerging therapeutic expertise to understanding life transitions. His goal is to provide counseling and therapy services in his communityAbout The Show: The Life in Transition, hosted by Art Blanchford focuses on making the most of the changes we're given every week. Art has been through hundreds of transitions in his life. Many have been difficult, but all have led to a depth and richness he could never have imagined. On the podcast Art explores how to create more love and joy in life, no matter what transitions we go through. Art is married to his lifelong partner, a proud father of three and a long-time adventurer and global business executive. He is the founder and leader of the Midlife Transition Mastery Community. Learn more about the MLTM Community here: www.lifeintransition.online.In This Episode: (00:00) Turning the Tables With Jim Hunt(11:10) Finding Peace With Mortality on the Trail(25:40) MidLife Transition Mastery Ad(38:06) Integration: Weaving Between Two States(42:53) Learning to Stop Forcing Clarity(55:12) Transition Mastery Coaching Ad(58:14) Parts Therapy: Behaviors That Sabotage Connection(01:08:11) Final Reflections and GratitudeLike, subscribe, and send us your comments and feedback.Resources:Jim Hunt LinkedInEmail Art BlanchfordLife in Transition WebsiteLife in Transition on IGLife in Transition on FBJoin Our Community: https://www.lifeintransition.online/My new book PURPOSEFUL LIVING is out now. Order it now: https://www.amazon.com/PURPOSEFUL-LIVING-Wisdom-Coming-Complex/dp/1963913922Explore our website https://lifeintransitionpodcast.com/ for more in-depth information and resources, and to download the 8-step guide to mastering mid-life transitions.The views and opinions expressed on the Life In Transition podcast are solely those of the author and guests and should not be attributed to any other individual or entity. This podcast is an independent production of Life In Transition Podcast, and the podcast production is an original work of the author. All rights of ownership and reproduction are retained—copyright 2025.
Stories about wilderness range from life-saving transformations to devastating failures, and often, the loudest voices online lean toward fear and controversy.That's why I'm so excited to be joined by filmmakers Mark Strauss and Vince Dixon, co-directors of the upcoming documentary Forest for the Trees: The Truth About Wilderness Therapy. With lived experience of loss, addiction, and healing in their own families, Mark and Vince share why they felt compelled to create a film that tells the whole story: the good, the bad, and everything in between.As a parent who's walked this road myself, I can't tell you what a relief it is to hear someone say, “Let's look at the whole truth.” Because when you're facing impossible choices for your child, what you need most is understanding, not judgment.In this episode on the truth about wilderness therapy, we discuss:Vince's journey from losing his sister to fentanyl poisoning to creating films that spark healing conversations;Why Mark and Vince believe wilderness therapy is misunderstood and often misrepresented;The importance of showing all sides of wilderness stories: positive, negative, and complicated;How parents' desperation and deep love factor into the decision to seek treatment;Why this documentary is being made now, and how you can get involved in supporting it.Resources mentioned in this episodeYou can learn more about ‘Forst for the Trees' on their website, Instagram or Facebook.Learn more about 'Sometimes I Imagine Your Funeral' on their website, or Instagram.Learn more about Mark's film 'The Funeral Photographer' on their website.Looking for support?
Nevertheless, She Persisted: Surviving Teen Depression and Anxiety
#233 today's guest is dr. will dobud— a social worker, researcher, and educator who has worked with adolescents and families in the united states, australia, and norway. he is dedicated to improving adolescent therapy outcomes and promoting safe, ethical practices and is an advocate for youth impacted by america's troubled teen industry.in this episode, we break down the dangers of the troubled teen industry and why adolescents deserve better mental health care options. we talk about:• what inspired will to advocate against the troubled teen industry (tti)• how tti programs are organized to reduce legal responsibility • why gen z mental health is still so bad despite efforts to help • wilderness therapy + how it became so popular• who gets sent to wilderness therapy programs + why • the lack of oversight + government regulations over the tti• how tti programs market themselves + why it's not accurate • if stigma plays a role in getting adolescents proper mental health care• whether the tti can ever truly be reformed • ways to improve mental health care for gen z mentioned:• will's instagram• will's substack• will's email• kids these days• join the launch team• past troubled teen eps• calling bullshit ☕giveaway! want coffee on me? every month, i gift one listener a starbucks gift card to enter:1. leave a review on apple or spotify2. dm me a screenshot on instagram
When your teen is caught in the cycle of substance abuse, it can feel like you're living in a nightmare you can't wake up from. You find yourself wondering: Is this just normal teenage behavior? Or is something much bigger going on? I remember asking myself those same questions when my own son was struggling.That's why this conversation with Dawn McCord resonated so deeply for me. Dawn is a fellow mom who's walked the exhausting, heartbreaking path of teen addiction. Her son Carson went from experimenting with marijuana, to overdosing on opioids, and eventually finding healing and recovery through wilderness therapy.Dawn and I talk about what it's really like to live through this as a parent, the endless cycle of treatment programs, the fear of overdoses, the strain it can put on your marriage, and the impossible-feeling boundaries you sometimes have to hold. What I love most is that Dawn's story doesn't end in despair. Today, Carson is sober, thriving, and building a meaningful life in recovery.Currently, Dawn, along with her film partners, is producing a film called “Forest for the Trees: The Truth about Wilderness Therapy” which is an in-depth documentary that shares the stories of families who have been positively and negatively impacted by the often-misunderstood industry. The team is in the process of procuring funding so they can start filming late fall 2025-early 2026. Please follow along at www.wildernessdocumentary.comIn this episode on surviving teen addiction, you'll hear:How to know if your teen's behavior is “normal” experimentation or signs of substance abuse;Why the rehab cycle can feel so endless and how to keep going without losing hope;The boundaries Dawn had to hold with her son, even when it broke her heart;How wilderness therapy became a turning point for their family;What it looks like to survive this season as a parent, and even find healing along the way;And much more.Looking for support?
This week, Tommy is joined by actor Hunter Doohan who you know and love from his role as Tyler, aka the Hyde, in Wednesday on Netflix. The series is one of Netflix’s biggest hits of all time and for good reason. Season 2, Part 2 is out right now and Hunter is taking us on a journey with his brilliantly intense, multi-layered and creepy performance. Hunter also has a powerful film coming out on October 17th called The Wilderness. In The Wilderness, a group of troubled teenage boys are kidnapped from their homes and taken deep into the unforgiving Utah desert, where they are forced into a brutal and secretive Wilderness Therapy program. And right now he is filming the highly anticipated Evil Dead Burn. Today (in this spoiler-filled conversation), Hunter opens up about what it felt like to finally return back to playing Tyler, what some of the wildest things have been that he’s gotten to sink his teeth into in this role, if he thinks Tyler is in love with Wednesday, what transforming into the Hyde on set is really like, his favorite moments this season with Jenna and the rest of the cast, where he wants Tyler’s story to go in Season 3, if he reads the fan theories and Reddit threads, the personal reasons why he wanted to do a film like The Wilderness, why he felt nervous to do it, what filming the new Evil Dead Burn has been like, how he would love to be a part of Overcompensating Season 2, how Jonathan Bailey is a big inspiration to him, why he sometimes is hesitant to share his personal life, why he cautions people to not believe everything that you see online, and so much more. Subscribe, rate, and leave a written review for this episode if you enjoyed this conversation!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In this episode, Will welcomes back Nathan Olsen—winner of the latest season of Alone. Nathan's roots in wilderness survival run deep: his father, Larry Dean Olsen, was a pioneer in the early years of wilderness therapy, and Nathan grew up immersed in the outdoors through helping out at the Anasazi Foundation and other wilderness programs. We explore his journey in South Africa's Great Karoo Desert, how a lifetime of “dirt time” in wilderness therapy shaped his survival skills, and the reflections on family, purpose, and the changing field of wilderness therapy. Nathan also shares how research continues to prove its effectiveness and how his work co-founding BestNotes supports behavioral healthcare providers, underscoring why time in nature remains such a powerful catalyst for resilience, healing, and transformation. Nathan Olsen was previously on episode 9 of Stories from the Field, Nov. 1 2018. You can find that episode here-https://storiesfromthefield.libsyn.com/nathan-olson-ceo-of-bestnotes or any podcast platform. Learn more at White Mountain Adventure Institute about Will White's coaching practice- wmai.org.
In this episode, Will speaks with Jason Denham, founder of Awakened Shadow Coaching, about his two decades of work with boys, men and other genders in behavioral healthcare including wilderness therapy, transitional living, and recovery support. Jason shares how outdoor experiences—from simple games in the woods to long days on trail—create unique openings for boys and men to express themselves, build resilience, and form meaningful connections. Drawing on his own recovery journey and his coaching practice rooted in Jungian shadow work and mindful somatic practices, Jason reflects on both the transformative power and the ongoing challenges of outdoor-based behavioral healthcare. Our host Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org. Our guest Jason Denham's website is https://awakenedshadow.com/
In this compelling follow-up to Episode 98, Enzo Narciso returns to Stories from the Field to reflect on his transformation since first sharing his journey in 2020. A former wilderness therapy client who overcame addiction and a near-fatal overdose, Enzo now mentors young men transitioning home from treatment through his program, Life Strategies. He speaks candidly about the lasting impact of wilderness therapy—both its challenges and its gifts—including the controversial practice of being transported to treatment. Enzo unpacks how time in nature laid the foundation for his emotional awareness, mindfulness practice, and sense of purpose. Now pursuing a graduate degree in addiction counseling, Enzo shares insights for parents, educators, and professionals supporting boys and young men struggling with confidence, direction, and emotional growth. Whether you're an advocate or a skeptic of wilderness therapy, Enzo's grounded and thoughtful perspective offers a valuable lens into how healing can begin—often in the most unexpected places. Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
In this episode Will speaks with Jeff Holloway, a veteran social worker and therapeutic consultant from Lumos Strategies with decades of experience in therapeutic programs for youth. Jeff shares his decades-long journey through the evolving landscape of outdoor behavioral healthcare, from his early days working in residential care to helping launch the trauma-informed wilderness therapy program First Light. Drawing from his time in roles ranging from foster care to executive leadership, Jeff reflects on how outdoor programs have shifted from rigid models to more relational, integrative approaches that prioritize safety, engagement, and connection—especially for boys. He discusses how therapeutic breakthroughs often happen not in an office, but during moments like catching crawdads in a creek or pitching a tent in the rain. With warmth and wisdom, Jeff explains why wilderness therapy—done ethically and thoughtfully—still holds powerful potential to build resilience in young people and restore meaningful family connection. Jeff Holloway's consulting practice can be found at - https://lumosstrategies.com/ Will White's men's coaching and retreats website is wmai.org.
In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Will is joined by parent coach Beth Hillman, a mother of five sons whose life was turned upside down when one of her teenagers spiraled into substance use and crisis. Beth shares the raw and emotional journey her family experienced—from the shame and fear of not knowing what was happening, to the decision to send her son to wilderness therapy, and ultimately, to her own transformation through emotional work and coaching. Beth opens up about how letting go of control, embracing vulnerability, and learning to hold boundaries with compassion helped her reconnect with her son and herself. This episode offers invaluable insights and hope for parents navigating similar struggles—and reminds us that healing often begins with the parent. Beth's website is- https://bethhillmancoaching.com/ Stories from the Field is undwritten by https://www.wmai.org/
Earthkeepers: A Circlewood Podcast on Creation Care and Spirituality
This episode considers how much of the current language around nature therapy can actually distance some people, and focuses on the need for better ways to talk about earth care and connection to the earth for men in particular. Jason Lyle shares with Forrest about Adventures in Recovery, an organization in the state of Georgia that uses wilderness experience to facilitate healing and personal growth for men. He discusses the profound impact of wilderness therapy on mental health, the importance of reconnecting with the body and nature, and the evolving landscape of spirituality in modern society. The conversation emphasizes practical strategies for individuals to immerse themselves in nature, and highlights the significance of community connection recovery processes. Adventures in Recovery (soon to be rebranded as AIR Georgia)Freeology Podcast (soon to be rebranded as Sacred Grit podcast)Jason coaches Forrest about cold water immersion TakeawaysJason shares his deep connection to nature and its impact on his life.Adventures in Recovery focuses on healing through nature and community.The importance of personal experiences in shaping one's purpose.Nature immersion helps individuals reconnect with their bodies and emotions.Spirituality can be practical and rooted in everyday decisions.The body and mind connection is crucial for personal growth.Community support plays a vital role in recovery processes.Nature teaches resilience and adaptability in challenging situations.Practical strategies for reconnecting with nature include immersion and foraging.The future of spiritual communities may focus on personal experiences rather than traditional structures. Keywordsnature, healing, recovery, spirituality, wilderness therapy, personal growth, men's mental health, adventure, community, connection, nature-based therapy, redneck culture, adoption trauma, cold water immersion Find us on our website: Earthkeepers Support the Earthkeepers podcast Check out the Ecological Disciple
In this episode Will speaks with Dr. Neal Christensen, psychologist, researcher, and co-owner of Elements Programs in Utah. With over two decades in the field, Dr. Christensen shares his journey from discovering outdoor experiential work in high school to becoming a leader in wilderness therapy for neurodivergent youth. As co-creator of the Eclipse program at Elements, he discusses how the model intentionally shifts away from traditional primitive skills to better support teens on the autism spectrum, those with ADHD, and other social-cognitive challenges through tailored interventions that emphasize emotional regulation, social skills, and executive functioning. Dr. Christensen also explores the evolution of wilderness therapy research, highlighting the significant outcome data from Elements and the broader Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council. He shares insights into how targeted, evidence-based adaptations—like allowing wristwatches, using specialized social skills curricula, and designing digital media interventions—improve outcomes for neurodivergent clients. This conversation is essential listening for parents seeking effective alternatives to traditional therapy and for professionals interested in how research continues to shape best practices in the field. To access the research mentioned in this episode: https://elementsprograms.com/resources/research/ Stories from the Field is supported by White Mountain Adventure Institute: https://www.wmai.org/
In this episode Will welcomes Steve Smith, founder of Experiential Consulting and a 30-year veteran in the outdoor education and risk management field. Steve shares his journey from classroom teacher to mountaineering instructor and eventually leading national conversations on risk through roles with Outward Bound, the Student Conservation Association, and the Wilderness Risk Management Conference. Throughout the episode, Steve explains how his thinking has evolved from linear, blame-based models of incident response to a systems-based, learning-focused philosophy that emphasizes psychological safety, continuous improvement, and shared responsibility in outdoor programs. Steve also shares a powerful and personal story of a near-death mountaineering accident that profoundly impacted his mental health—and eventually became a catalyst for change in how he views vulnerability, risk, and leadership. His transparency about the emotional aftermath and his later work to warn others about the recurring hazard at Asgard Pass highlight the importance of learning from both success and failure. This episode is essential listening for anyone in outdoor education, wilderness therapy, or a parent concerned about the safety of outdoor programs. It offers both philosophical depth and practical insights into how programs can navigate risk without sacrificing meaningful adventure. Check out Steve's website for Experiential Consulting: https://www.outdoorrisk.com/
Will, known online as Barefoot Will, is a licensed physical therapist and a leading voice in foot health and biomechanics. Through his work, he helps individuals reclaim their natural movement, alleviate chronic pain, and optimize their physical foundation by focusing on barefoot training and proper footwear. With a background in athletics and experience treating high-performance individuals, Will's insights are reshaping the way people think about their feet—one step at a time. In addition to his coaching, he leads men's retreats, offering deep, unplugged experiences in nature that promote personal growth and spiritual reflection.Your feet are the foundation of your movement, but most people don't give them a second thought—until problems arise. In this episode, we sit down with Barefoot Will, a physical therapist and foot health expert, to uncover the hidden dysfunctions caused by modern footwear and what you can do to rebuild your foot strength. Will shares his journey from sports injuries to barefoot advocacy, the truth about minimalist shoes, and why fixing your feet could transform your entire body. We also dive into his powerful men's retreats, where he helps individuals unplug from the digital world and reconnect with nature and themselves. If you've ever dealt with foot pain, shin splints, or poor mobility—or just want to optimize your movement—this is an episode you won't want to miss.What we cover:- The Problem with Modern Shoes- The Barefoot Advantage - Safe Transitioning to Barefoot Shoes- Faith, Nature, & Spiritual Growth - Building Resilience Through Movement Timestamps:(00:00) - Introduction & Will's Background in Foot Health(04:00) - The Hidden Costs of Modern Footwear(10:00) - How Foot Dysfunction Leads to Injuries(16:00) - The Barefoot Transition: What You Need to Know(22:00) - Exercises to Strengthen Your Feet & Improve Mobility(29:00) - The Science Behind Grounding & Reflexology(35:00) - Will's Experience Running & Training Barefoot(42:00) - The Power of Digital Detox & Men's Retreats(50:00) - Final Thoughts & Where to Find Will's Work *** LINKS***Check out our Newsletter - Food for Thought - to dramatically improve your health this year!Join The Meat Mafia community Telegram group for daily conversations to keep up with what's happening between episodes of the show.Connect with Will:XNewsletterConnect with Brett:InstagramXConnect with Harry:InstagramXConnect with Meat Mafia:Instagram - Meat MafiaX - Meat MafiaYouTube - Meat MafiaConnect with Noble Protein:Website - Noble ProteinX - Noble ProteinInstagram - Noble ProteinAFFILIATESLMNT - Electrolyte salts to supplement minerals on low-carb dietThe Carnivore Bar - Use Code 'MEATMAFIA' for 10% OFF - Delicious & convenient Pemmican BarPerennial Pastures - Use CODE 'MEATMAFIA' 10% OFF - Regeneratively raised, grass-fed & grass-finished beef from California & MontanaFarrow Skincare - Use CODE 'MEATMAFIA' at checkout for 20% OFFHeart & Soil - CODE ‘MEATMAFIA' for 10% OFF - enhanced nutrition to replace daily vitamins!Carnivore Snax - Use CODE 'MEATMAFIA' Crispy, airy meat chips that melt in your mouth. Regeneratively raised in the USA.Pluck Seasoning - 15% OFF - Nutrient-dense seasoning with INSANE flavor! Use CODE: MEATMAFIAWe Feed Raw 25% OFF your first order - ancestrally consistent food for your dog! Use CODE 'MEATMAFIA'Fond Bone Broth - 15% OFF - REAL bone broth with HIGH-QUALITY ingredients! It's a daily product for us! Use CODE: MAFIAMaui Nui- 15% OFF. Use CODE: MEATMAFIA
Parenting Anxious Teens | Parenting Teens, Managing Teen Anxiety, Parenting Strategies
Hi Parents! This week, I'm thrilled to bring you a conversation with Beth Hillman, a double-certified parent coach who specializes in helping parents of struggling teens find clarity, confidence, and peace. Beth's personal journey through her son's wilderness therapy experience inspired her to support parents navigating similar challenges. Her wisdom and compassion shine through as she shares invaluable insights on rebuilding trust, setting healthy boundaries, and letting go of what's outside your control. More about Beth Hillman: Beth is the founder of Parenting Post Wilderness and a certified life and parent coach. After her 15-year-old son entered wilderness therapy, Beth experienced firsthand the fear, uncertainty, and emotional toll that comes with parenting a struggling teen. Determined to help other parents feel less alone, she became a coach dedicated to guiding families through difficult transitions - whether their teens are in treatment, transitioning home, or navigating life's everyday struggles. In this episode, we explore topics like enmeshment in parent-teen relationships, how to shift from control to connection, and practical steps for rebuilding trust after conflict. Beth shares real-life strategies to help you feel more grounded in your parenting journey, even in the toughest moments. I know you'll walk away from this episode with fresh perspectives and tools to create a healthier, more connected relationship with your teen! Big hugs, Monica Crnogorac Next Steps Book a Free Discovery Call Visit My Website for More Information on My 8-Week Program Connect With Me on Instagram
In 1988 Steve Cartisano founded the Challenger Foundation Camp in southern Utah for troubled teens. The program brought the teens into the Utah desert and was designed to help kids by instilling discipline, kicking them out of their bad habits and giving treatment. However after the death of 16-year-old Kristin Chase, the abuse occuring at this camp would finally come to light. Steve Cartisano was never held responsible and instead of finding a new line of work, decided to open multiple other wilderness therapy programs. His final program, Pacific Coast Academy in Samoa, was shut down after a video that was secretly taken at the camp exposing the abuse came to light. Head to acorns.com/nt or download the Acorns app to start saving and investing for your future today!
In this episode Will talks with John Karren, co-founder of Elements Programs. John reflects on how Elements has evolved over its 17-year history, moving from a strictly nomadic wilderness model to more flexible, tailored programs, including a new “Eclipse” option designed for neurodiverse adolescents. He explains the behind-the-scenes decisions that led them to integrate adventure activities, introduce heated tents, and adopt family-centric approaches, all while maintaining a commitment to the transformative power of the outdoors. John also discusses the critical role of collaboration with partners and clinical team members in shaping Elements' ongoing adaptations, from digital media overuse interventions to specialized programming for different client profiles. Beyond the Elements model, John and Will touch on broader challenges facing the outdoor behavioral healthcare field, particularly the recent industry contractions and heightened public scrutiny. John shares how being a small, owner-operated program with dedicated clinical professionals has enabled Elements to stay resilient. He speaks passionately about the need to eliminate outdated practices, embrace ethical oversight, and remain agile in responding to ever-changing mental health needs. This conversation offers a candid look at how one wilderness therapy program continues to innovate while retaining a deep respect for the outdoors as a powerful catalyst for growth and healing. Other podcast episodes related to Elements mentioned in this episode: Episode 44: Karen Scrafford, Co-founder of Elements Wilderness Therapy Episode 17: Lynn Smith, Co-founder of Elements Wilderness Program 98: Vicenzo Narciso, Undergraduate Student at San Diego Mesa College and Former Wilderness Therapy Student
The Dad Edge Podcast (formerly The Good Dad Project Podcast)
Your extraordinary marriage starts here: www.thedadedge.com/25questions Marc Azoulay is the founder of Men's Therapy Online, a healing hub and community that transforms men's lives through group therapy, individual counseling, and wilderness retreats. Drawing on his expertise in psychoanalysis, neuroscience, and Buddhism, he helps men identify and overcome unconscious barriers to become the best versions of themselves. Through his team of licensed clinicians, Marc guides men in showing up authentically for their lives, relationships, and communities. Today, Marc Azoulay shares his expertise in helping men become their best selves through a unique blend of psychoanalysis, neuroscience, and Buddhist philosophy. With his team of licensed clinicians, Marc Azoulay provides men's groups, individual counseling, and wilderness retreats aimed at breaking through unconscious barriers that hold men back from authentic living. The conversation explores the complex dynamics of how men process and express emotions, particularly in their relationships and roles as community protectors. Marc offers valuable insights into men's emotional evolution–from villain to victim to hero to guide, while discussing the crucial differences between coaching and therapy, and how men can learn to show up more authentically in their relationships and communities. www.thedadedge.com/506 www.thedadedge.com/alliance YouTube | Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram www.menstherapy.online
There's much to be said about the effect of wild places on the human psyche…. therapeutic, healing, transformative … a place to experience mindfulness…. Even scary for some, however, our guest Katelyn McKinney simply sums it up like this: “When our bodies are in a wild space we are simply more at ease.”She's been busy testing that idea by bringing groups of people into wild settings, creating supportive environments, and encouraging shifts in mindsets. Veterans of the military dealing with post-service challenges related to trauma are a focus for her. She is one herself. .In this episode Katelyn shares her journey helping people navigate difficult life experiences, including complexities of identity, particularly for veterans transitioning to civilian life, the scientific and indigenous wisdom behind connecting with nature, and the overall philosophy of turning personal challenges into sources of strength and purpose—what we call 'alchemy.'www.mountainsandmedicine.comInstagram: @Mountains_and_Medicine_LLCFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mountainsandmedicine
In this special episode Will takes a deep dive into the Netflix documentary Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare, which explores the infamous Challenger Foundation—a adolescent wilderness therapy program in the late 1980s that became a cautionary tale of abuse and unethical practices. Will reflects on the emotional impact of the film, the human cost of profit-driven models, and the ripple effects of Challenger's abusive culture on the broader field of wilderness therapy. Drawing on his extensive research and writings, he examines how the program's legacy continues to shape the evolution of ethical standards and regulatory oversight in outdoor behavioral healthcare. The episode also features insights from undergraduate students in Will's Wilderness Therapy class at Plymouth State University. These students share their fresh perspectives on the documentary and discuss the broader complexities of wilderness therapy, including their views on consent, ethical practices, and the role of outdoor experiences in healing. Their reflections, shaped by personal and professional experiences, underscore the importance of learning from the past to create safer and more effective programs today. Together, Will and his students offer a nuanced exploration of the challenges and potential of wilderness therapy as a tool for mental health treatment. Will's doctoral dissertation is free on Proquest: Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy.
There's much to be said about the effect of wild places on the human psyche…. therapeutic, healing, transformative … a place to experience mindfulness…. Even scary for some, however, our guest Katelyn McKinney simply sums it up like this: “When our bodies are in a wild space we are simply more at ease.”She's been busy testing that idea by bringing groups of people into wild settings, creating supportive environments, and encouraging shifts in mindsets. Veterans of the military dealing with post-service challenges related to trauma are a focus for her. She is one herself. .In this episode Katelyn shares her journey helping people navigate difficult life experiences, including complexities of identity, particularly for veterans transitioning to civilian life, the scientific and indigenous wisdom behind connecting with nature, and the overall philosophy of turning personal challenges into sources of strength and purpose—what we call 'alchemy.'www.mountainsandmedicine.comInstagram: @Mountains_and_Medicine_LLCFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mountainsandmedicine
In this episode Will reconnects with Andrew Taylor, founder of Pure Life Adventure in Costa Rica and the podcast's very first guest in 2018. Andrew shares the significant developments at Pure Life over the past six years, including how the COVID-19 pandemic forced a one-year suspension of operations due to Costa Rica closing its borders. This pause led to transformative changes such as enhanced pre-program communication with students, the introduction of academic credits, and the expansion to include adolescent groups. Andrew emphasizes the importance of informed consent and willingness among participants, noting that these shifts have strengthened the program's impact on young adults dealing with anxiety, depression, ADHD, and executive functioning challenges. Andrew also discusses the inception of Octagon Mentoring, a coaching and mentoring initiative he started during the pandemic to continue supporting young adults. Octagon Mentoring offers services ranging from life coaching to an independent living facility in Salt Lake City, Utah. The conversation delves into his new book, "Launch: A Guide to Getting Unstuck, Navigating Life, and Thriving," which encapsulates his curriculum designed to help individuals overcome mental blocks and shift their mindsets. Andrew reflects on the evolving landscape of wilderness and adventure therapy, addressing the industry's recent contractions and expressing optimism for its future. He highlights the enduring healing power of nature and the necessity of adapting to meet the changing needs of young people and their families.
Have a question you want answered? Submit it here!Discover the hidden costs of our digital age as I sit down with Zach Rausch, the lead researcher behind "The Anxious Generation." Zach opens up about his personal journey with mental health challenges and how it fueled his passion to explore the complex relationship between technology and well-being. This episode peels back the layers on the disturbing rise in loneliness, anxiety, and depression among young people, especially adolescent girls, as they grapple with the very tools meant to connect them. We tackle the sobering reality of international trends affecting mental health and stress the urgency of addressing these issues for the sake of future generations.Zach Rausch is Associate Research Scientist at NYU-Stern School of Business, lead researcher to Social Psychologist Jonathan Haidt and the #1 New York Times best seller, The Anxious Generation. Zach previously worked at the Center for Humane Technology and as Communications Manager at Heterodox Academy. He earned a Bachelor of Arts in sociology and religious studies and a Master of Science in psychological science from SUNY New Paltz. Zach previously studied Buddhism in Bodh Gaya, India, worked in Wilderness Therapy, and was a direct care worker in two psychiatric group homes.Zach's research and writing have been featured internationally, in outlets such The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, and more.Twitter: https://twitter.com/ZachMRausch Newsletter: After Babel Website: https://zach-rausch.com/ Anxious Generation: https://anxiousgeneration.comYour Host: Kimberly Beam Holmes, Expert in Self-Improvement and RelationshipsKimberly Beam Holmes has applied her master's degree in psychology for over ten years, acting as the CEO of Marriage Helper & CEO and Creator of PIES University, being a wife and mother herself, and researching how attraction affects relationships. Her videos, podcasts, and following reach over 500,000 people a month who are making changes and becoming the best they can be.
In this episode Will engages in a profound conversation with Danny Frazer, co-founder of the former Open Sky Wilderness Therapy program and founder of Gain the Ridge Consulting. Danny shares his journey into the field of wilderness therapy, beginning as an intern at Galena Ridge and progressing to roles at Aspen Achievement Academy. He reflects on the audacious vision that led to the founding of Open Sky in 2006, highlighting how they integrated innovative practices like yoga, meditation, naturopathic medicine, and extensive family involvement—elements that were revolutionary at the time. Danny discusses his leadership roles, including serving as the chair of the Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Council, where he emphasized collaboration and ethical practices to advance the field. The conversation delves into the challenging decision to close Open Sky in early 2024 after 18 years of operation. Danny candidly examines the multifaceted reasons behind the closure, including negative media portrayals of wilderness therapy, societal shifts in parenting styles, increased competition from insurance-covered programs, and the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. He shares his personal process of grief and reflection, which led to the creation of Gain the Ridge Consulting. Through his new venture, Danny aims to support leaders and organizations in behavioral healthcare by offering coaching and consulting services that focus on leadership development, risk management, and program evolution. He expresses optimism for the future of wilderness therapy, emphasizing the enduring power of nature in healing and personal growth. To listen an episode about the closure of Open Sky check out episode 221-The Closure of Open Sky: Is this the "Winter" of Wilderness Therapy?
What does it mean to be a “good man” today? In this profound conversation with Dan Doty, a leader in men's work and fatherhood, we explore modern masculinity, emotional vulnerability, and the pressure of balancing traditional expectations with the demands of today's world. Dan reflects on his journey from wilderness therapy programs to pioneering community spaces that foster connection and healing for men. Together, we discuss how fatherhood can serve as a rite of passage, challenging men to deepen emotional bonds with their families while confronting cultural narratives that inhibit vulnerability. Dan's insights illuminate how shared experiences — like his Fatherhood Ready program and primal hunting excursions — help men reconnect with their sense of purpose and form meaningful, supportive communities. This episode is an invitation for men and women alike to embrace a more open, nurturing version of masculinity, fostering a healthier future for everyone. Dan Doty is a father of 3, an outdoorsman, and the co-founder of Fatherhood Unlocked and Fatherhood Ready. In the past he was a therapeutic wilderness guide, the director of hit tv show MeatEater, and one of the founders of EVRYMAN. He has been featured on the Today Show, Men's Health, and the Joe Rogan Experience. —Dan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatherhoodunlocked/ —Dan's Website: https://dandoty.com/ —Dan's Podcast: https://www.fatherhoodunlocked.com/ — Dan's Course: Fatherhood Ready: https://www.fatherhoodready.com/ If you want to dive deeper into Mark's content, search through every episode, find specific topics we've covered, and ask him questions, go to his Dexa page: https://ask.markgroves.com/ Themes: Modern Masculinity, Fatherhood Journey, Men's Work with Dan Doty, Emotional Vulnerability for Men, Redefining Masculinity 2024, Becoming a Better Father, Raising Emotionally Connected Men, Fatherhood Initiation, Balancing Tradition and Fatherhood, Dan Doty, Masculinity and Mental Health, Men's Emotional Health, Parenting and Masculinity, Healing Father-Son Relationships, Men's Emotional Growth Journey, Transformational Men's Work, Fatherhood Rites of Passage, Primal Masculinity Experience, Men's Wilderness Therapy, Breaking Emotional Barriers for Men This episode is sponsored by BON CHARGE: Use code MARKGROVES to save 15% at http://boncharge.com/MARKGROVES Contact us at podcast@markgroves.com for sponsor product support, questions, comments, or just to say hello! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dan Doty is the founder of Fatherhood Unlocked and Fatherhood Ready, as well as the men's work organization EVRYMAN. He is a leader in men's personal development and fatherhood education, and his background includes wilderness therapy, teaching, and producing the hit show MeatEater. A three-time guest on the Joe Rogan Experience, he has been featured in major media outlets. Dan Doty is a writer, wilderness guide, and meditation teacher who speaks globally on masculinity and fatherhood. Today, Dan Doty shares his personal journey and invaluable lessons learned in fatherhood. He recounts a transformative men's retreat he attended with his own father, which led to an emotional breakthrough and a deeper understanding of their relationship. This experience highlights the importance of vulnerability and open communication in strengthening familial bonds, serving as a powerful example of how addressing unspoken emotions can heal and enrich father-son relationships. The conversation explores the unique challenges and joys of parenting both sons and daughters. He emphasizes the importance of being emotionally available and present for all children, regardless of gender. Dan and Larry also delve into the broader implications of emotional intelligence in fatherhood, discussing how societal norms have often limited men's emotional expression. They offer practical advice for fathers looking to develop their emotional skills, connect more deeply with their children, and create a supportive family environment where emotions are acknowledged and valued. www.thedadedge.com/484 www.thedadedge.com/alliance www.dandoty.com www.fatherhoodready.com www.fatherhoodunlocked.com
The parents of a 12-year-old boy think Trails Carolina might be just the place to help their son. Trails Carolina claims to be a Leader in Wilderness Therapy offering an Adventure Wilderness Program for children who have behavioral and or emotional difficulties. The parents say their boy is transported by two men from New York to Trails Carolina Camp at Lake Toxaway, North Carolina. Their son arrives at the camp in an agitated state. The 12-year-old is loud and disruptive, but he is assigned to a cabin with other children as well as four adults. In less than 24 hours, the 12-year-old boy from New York is dead. Sheriff Chuck Owenby says an autopsy is being conducted because the death "appeared suspicious" since the boy died at the camp less than 24 hours after he arrived. A counselor explained to investigators that the boy was required to sleep on the floor inside a sleeping bag. The sleeping bag is inside a small tent called a "BIVY." According to search warrant documents, around midnight the boy started to experience a panic attack. After the panic attack, a counselor told investigators that the boy was checked on throughout the night starting at 12 a.m., with additional checks on his well-being at 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. At 7:45 a.m., the boy was found dead. According to the search warrant, when investigators arrived at the scene, CJH was stiff and "cold to the touch." He was lying on his back, his arms were on his chest, and his "knees bent upwards toward the sky." Also in the search warrant, investigators noted spots of bleeding under the skin, "possible petechiae" in the boy's lips and eyes. This is considered a sign of asphyxiation. The warrant also notes a CPR mask was covering the boy's face and he was not wearing any pants or underwear. His pants and underwear were lying next to his shoulder Early in the investigation, detectives with the Transylvania County Sheriff's Office attempted to interview other juveniles at Trails Carolina when the boy died. However, camp staff members refused to allow investigators to interview or even see any of the other juveniles. Trails Carolina says the search warrant contains "misleading statements" saying they won't discuss some details "out of respect for the family and the investigation." In a statement, Trails Carolina says they did not prevent children from speaking to investigators claiming they asked parents for permission for any children involved to speak with law enforcement and state agencies, and "complied with each parent's preference. as we are required to do." Children were moved to the area to protect them from seeing what was happening, not to avoid investigators. In response to the recent suspicious death of a 12-year-old at Trails Carolina, North Carolina health officials ordered the removal of all children from the nature therapy program. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Gertie - Victim of sexual assault at Trails Carolina, Survivor of the troubled teen industry, TikTok: @this.is.me.surviving2 Jenkins Mann, Esq. - Attorney Representing Sexual Assault Victims of Trail Carolina Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; X: @DrBethanyLive Eric J. Davis - Private Investigator, Licensed in NC and SC; Retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent, and Partner at Richardson & Davis Investigative Consulting Group, LLC Dr. Todd Barr - Board-Certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist Meg Appelgate - Co-founder and CEO of Unsilenced; Victim of the troubled teen industry and advocate for survivors; TikTok and IG: @megappelgate, TikTok and IG: Unsilenced_now Nick Ochsner - Executive Producer & Chief Investigative Reporter, WBTV; Has been investigating Trails Carolina since May 2021 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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