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Two overly online nonbinary lesbian swiftie communists of color spew their opinions on pop culture and media via a three part comedy variety show: first, a discussion of a listener submitted hot take. Second, analyzing a piece of media we've both consumed together. And third, recommending books/movies/TV/music/etc. to each other. Renaissance is the Aries sun Gemini moon Virgo rising film stan twitter user, and Sunny is the Cancer sun Capricorn moon Gemini rising booktuber. We think we are hilarious and have the correct opinions, and we hope you can agree! Email us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com for your hot take submissions or business stuff. Follow us on Twitter @TheLavenderPod for live updates of our unhinged ramblings and @thelavendermenacepod on Instagram and Tik Tok for more of our short form content in between episodes. We also have a Letterboxd @thelavenderpod, if you're into that sort of thing. (Of course you are- we're all gay nerds here!!) You can support us at patreon.com/thelavendermenace for early access, exclusive content, and merch, but we truly appreciate all of our listeners and love engaging with y'all on any level. Much lesbian love and solidarity!

Renaissance & Sunny

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    brat review + song ranking (we love gay people & queer history soooo much)

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2024 78:20


    lovely listeners of the lavender menace!!! thank you so much for being so patient and eager for our return. after yet another unintentional multi-month long hiatus, we have sooo much to share with y'all. (+ a reminder to keep emailing us your hot takes to our email inbox @ thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com)this episode's hot takes include lamenting gay people's ignorance of queer history, telling y'all that you shouldn't ask us for job advice, and reiterating the importance of reading Stone Butch Bluesbrat summer is over now, but we hope the woke media allows for us to give you all our brat review...! spoiler: we love it. especially girl so confusing ft. lorde. timestamp - 37:42 brat ranking begins Renaissance's Kamala Harris essay: https://open.substack.com/pub/thelavendermenace/p/american-politics-or-the-lack-thereofour friend Matt's brat album review that Sunny references: https://tunnelcity.substack.com/p/brat-new-wordssupport us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace socials:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/TheLavenderMenacePod Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/thelavenderpod/Substack: https://thelavendermenace.substack.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/TheLavenderPodTik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thelavendermenacepod?_t=8k91GzgmHBy&_r=1

    can straight people say "queer?" stanning Chappell Roan, criticizing Cowboy Carter

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2024 125:57


    table of contents: 1. Good Luck Babe! is so fucking goodddddd 2. is Chappell Roan queer? bi? lesbian?! 3. recommendations to get your Gen X mom (who doesn't read books) to care about feminist and lesbian shit 4. hot take: straight people shouldn't be using certain gay terms 5. pre-Sunnaissance Sunnaissance instagram DMs 6. "queer" as identity label vs. being gay and going outside 7. our review of Cowboy Carter... and our song rankings. TLDL: underwhelming and disappointinghttps://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenaceinstagram.com/thelavendermenacepod https://www.tiktok.com/@thelavendermenacepodtwitter.com/thelavenderpod

    Lesbian books (sorry, F/F romance novels) suck! But "Kissing Jessica Stein" (2001) is brilliant

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2024 122:43


    Reviewing inane comments under Sunny's video "The Problem With Lesbian Romance" https://youtu.be/AkGbysZRB_w?si=Y9jqARsgJTQp6ZWJ & talking about how Renaissance's interpretation of the 2001 lesbian rom-com Kissing Jessica Stein is the one true understanding of the film. Get bonus episodes & early access on our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/TheLavenderMenacePod Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/thelavenderpod/Substack: https://thelavendermenace.substack.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/TheLavenderPodTik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thelavendermenacepod?_t=8k91GzgmHBy&_r=1

    Ethics of media piracy, gender essentialism & “male feminists,” Big Swiss by Jen Beagin

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2024 143:59


    Hello listeners! Here is a new episode where we talk about feminism at length… who's surprised? But before we get into the feminism of it all, we discuss various facets and corners in the world of media piracy and consuming digital content in response to a listener email. We continue to wonder how observations and opinions that lead us to receive so much internet hate are now popular takes to have and peddle out again and again. We also talk about at length the importance of feminism and learning from various branches of feminism. TLDR: We are communists and we are feminists but that does not make us exclusively marxist-feminists. We kinda cover all the bases on women's issues for this episode. Let us know what you think by emailing or DMing us. For the media this episode, we discuss our memory of and thoughts on Jen Beagin's novel Big Swiss. Renaissance read it just a couple months before the episode recording and l Sunny read a couple years ago. Has our love for unhinged lesbians struck again? Listen to find out!At the end of the episode Sunny recommends Come And Get It by Kiley Reid and Renaissance recommends the seminal documentary Paris is Burning (1990). Listen to the end of the episode to hear our pitches. Thank you again for listening!

    2023 movies, music, & books in review: our favorites & flops

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2024 143:38


    It's our year end wrap up episode! Discussing the movies, music, and books consumed in 2023. episode timestamps:Intro 0:00 11:00 movies! Number of films watched compared to previous years, Letterboxd stats/logs, watching each other's recommendations or watching films together like The Children's Hour, Duck Butter, Theater Camp, Born in Flames,and Bottoms. Renaissance watched Studio Ghibli for the first time and has unpopular opinions (disliked Spirited Away which is a childhood favorite of Sunny's)33:14 sex and the city, orientalism, which derry girls character we are, more movies44:42 we need to talk about Bottoms. Also gay movies (Shiva Baby in theaters!) Shiva Baby vs. Bottoms. Plus Sunny's standout films of the year, Poor Things (2023), Robot Dreams (2023), The Zone of Interest (2023)1:04:04 current music flops1:09:41 our Spotify wrapped stats and songs1:51:51 Breaking up with Taylor swift

    Misogyny on the left, lesbian dating apps, Barbie (2023) thoughts & review

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 27, 2023 93:09


    Post-hiatus episode recorded in the summer for our beloved listeners! In which we discuss a listener-submitted hot-take about misogyny within leftist discourse and the failure of people to effectively address patriarchy or take sexism seriously. Then we hard-shifted to a hot-take about making lesbian friends, trying to date women as a woman using dating apps flooded with straight women, and the lesbian dating landscape within the scope of Twitter and the Internet. Of course, for media, we discussed our thoughts on Barbie (2023) and all the discourse that was surrounding it after its immediate release. In the spirit of the shortcomings of the film, Renaissance recommends the John Waters' film Hairspray (1988) and Sunny recommends the literary fiction novel Dykette by Jenny Fran Davis, which is a bit controversial!Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Lesbians for a Free Palestine

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2023 102:11


    Uncut livestream recording where we discuss the genocide against Palestinians we are witnessing right now and countering of Zionist propaganda. From student organizing to the non-existence of American democracy, this moment of mass, unprecedented radicalization regarding settler colonialism and capitalism has been incredible to witness. https://bdsmovement.net/

    No more male artists!!!

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2023 113:06


    It's time to revisit Olivia Rodrigo, and the potential beef regarding her and other female artists (that we kind of know nothing about.) What we do know is that we fuck with Vampire! And we do not fuck with Morgan Wallen, because truly, who the fuck is he??? Listener submitted hot-takes for this episode include: Am I the asshole, work friends edition, lesbophobic bisexual friends, the isolation of being a lesbian in STEM, and the politics of calling yourself a femme. Can bisexual women call themselves femmes? Why are femme lesbians protective of the usage of that terminology? Who has the power to determine whether other people can or should use certain labels or not? And for our shared media review and analysis of this episode, we discuss a 1971 film called Harold and Maude, and lament contemporary film-making at length. They don't make real ass original movies anymore!!! Renaissance is an aspiring Letterboxd influencer, and you should follow them on there @disobedientgays. Sunny talks Storygraph vs. Goodreads and we get into the efficacy of half star reviews, before getting into recommendations, where Renaissance recommends the 1958 German film Girls in Uniform, and Sunny recommends the non-fiction essay collection Lesbian Choices by Claudia Card. Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd. Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Speak Now (Gaylor's Version) ranking & review, re-recordings/"Taylor's Version" & building narrative

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 27, 2023 78:18


    Shorter episode for y'all!!! Featuring: boygenius concert etiquette hot-take and trying to beat the annoying teenager allegations, and discussing the relevancy and role of "Taylor's Version" album rereleases. Controversial listener submitted opinion: idgaf. Of course, gaylor content re: The (gay) Way I Loved You, Hayley Kiyoko and Taylor's relationship, leading us to consider whether perhaps Taylor Swift is the Eliza of her lesbian friends?!! Sunny pours one out for the situationship proletariat (FOOLISH ONE vault track), and Renaissance brings up some notes on certain Speak Now (Taylor's Version) tracks... namely, that there are elements missing and we are suffering from it. To round out the episode, we talk about some apps we've been using and that you should (or should not) also use. Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    postmodern gender identities, anti-Zionism/pinkwashing, 90s feminism & 90s girlypop film

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2023 79:48


    In this Sunnaissance IRL (California edition!) episode, we're discussing post-modern gender theory and queer/feminist studies in response to a listener-submitted hot take about the counterrevolutionary nature of contemporary usage of 'nonbinary' identity. We talk about Judith Butler and other feminists theorizing around gendered oppression and its relevance and role in social discourse over the decades. We do get into whacking the she/they's who say inane shit like "my boyfriend (a cis het man btw) is fruity for dating me because i use they/them pronouns" and "i want to look like a boy in a dress" vs. the material reality of gender non-conformity and gender transition. Sunny brings up a bad tweet thread from a they/them lesbian speaking over a trans woman dunking on overly online trans discourse. In response to another emailed hot take, we talk about the ridiculousness of opposing Palestinian liberation in the name of the (nonexistent) LGBT rights granted by israel, and the occupation's supposed defense of 'human rights,' being 'the only democracy in the middle east' (lmao). Very unserious talking points that are deeply entrenched in the american political sphere. For shared media analysis we discuss the very fun movie Party Girl (1995), while lamenting the state of contemporary filmmaking (as we always do). Renaissance recommends the artist Remi Wolf, and Sunny recommends the deranged woman novel- set in Riverside, California! Where Renaissance recently graduated from if you missed that- Exalted by Anna Dorn. Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Politics of media consumption & comparing two queer American literature class syllabuses

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2023 129:12


    Happy pride month! The hot takes for this episode feature a very belated discussion on the Matty Healy x Taylor Swift controversy, our response to a listener's questioning of their own identity as a lesbian, and offering advice on reading difficult texts— basically how to read theory!!! We also discuss our perspectives as POC on the constant presence of white people's racism, with Renaissance's unique view as someone growing up surrounded by white family members. In response to another hot take, we discuss (in the vein of Taylor's dalliances with Matty Healy) the ethics of consuming problematic artists' art— especially as it relates pop music and the film industry and how much whose art you consume reflects your politics. When Woody Allen gets brought up, Sunny reads an excerpt from the novel Post-traumatic by Chantal V. Johnson that features a conversation at a dinner party about discourse surrounding consuming the art of known abusers and rapists. For the shared media analysis portion of this episode, we list and discuss every piece of media present in our queer American literature syllabi, ranging from Willa Cather to Carmen Maria Machado, while also discussing pieces of media such as Audre Lorde's essay collection Sister Outsider, the documentary on depicting transness in Hollywood called Disclosure, and much much more. Michael Bronski's A Queer History of the United States made up many of Sunny's assigned readings for class, and (spoiler alert!!!) very bad lectures and discussions were had in Renaissance's class. At the end of the episode, Renaissance recommends the early 2000s lesbian rom-com Kissing Jessica Stein (2001), and Sunny jointly recommends the film Daisies (1966) and the Jen Beagin novel Big Swiss. Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Substack, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Why you're wrong about gaylor, problems with 'sapphic spaces,' & lesbian feminist legacies

    Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2023 93:10


    Hello Beloved listeners (a little nod to the butchfemme zine you should totally check out the first 2 issues + adorable lesbian merch of belovedzine.com)! Here is a special liminal space episode for you (post-break Taylor break up but before this M*tty H**ly mess)! Our hot-takes this episode are all bound by GAYLOR! This episode was recorded pre-Matty Healy's... inclusion into Taylor Swift's rotation but after her breakup from Joe, but we WILL be talking about the former soon, on Patreon (same place where we talked about Joe breakup Gaylor implications.) This episode is a hot-take exclusive one. We respond to quite a few listeners' emails (submit yours to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com to perhaps get it featured and discussed on a future episode!!!) and speak to the heart of gay Swiftian iconography and lyrical parallels as picked up by y'all, and how people on the internet really hate when we talk about it. The 1st hot-take is a close reading of Oscar Wilde and possible allusions/references to him in the Lavender Haze music video and lyrics. Very compelling observations for a brilliant listener

    top/bottom roles in lesbian sex?! beauty standards?? ranking SZA's music, CTRL deluxe & SOS!

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2023 135:50


    Hello listeners! New episode for you! We respond to a hot take about top/bottom distinctions in the lesbian community from an “elder gay” and how it differs from historically rooted high femme/stone butch identities. Ultimately, these labels exist to describe and identify sexual preference and compatibility. Also, disclaimer– although Sunny talks about penetrative sex primarily, that's not necessarily what all lesbian sex looks like lol. Our second hot take is responding to the idea of “beauty neutrality” and the myth of “inclusive standards of beauty.” Our shared media this episode is SZA's discography! As usual, we go from bottom to top with our song rankings and give explanations for different placements along the way. Sunny is a top SZA streamer and Renaissance is a new listener so no matter your own familiarity with SZA's work, you'll still be able to engage. We end the episode with recommendations. Sunny recommends a hyperpop-y artist (à la FKA twigs) shygirl. Renaissance recommends Mae Martin's new Netflix stand-up comedy special SAP. Hope you all enjoy this episode and once again please email us your thoughts and hot takes at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and find more of us here: Patreon Twitter Instagram Youtube

    comphet & lesbian masterdoc, Poker Face TV review, our flop era (not consuming as much media)

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2023 86:45


    Heyyyyyy and welcome to episode 18 of season 4. A few of you listeners sent in some fun and interesting queer discourse related questions, so we get into the social consequences, ramifications, implications etc. of the lesbian masterdoc and its circulation across the internet, especially towards the beginning of the pandemic. Relatedly, we discuss the nature of "comphet" in how it's being used and thrown around by people in ways that are deeply questionable, and compulsory heterosexuality's origin as a term in contrast to its use in day to day rhetoric contemporarily. We also talk about the ethics of taking a college class about Marxism or communism and reading theory for class. Another hot take included an opinion on gay men being tokenized by women vs. lesbian isolation experiences (hence, more queer discourse.) Our shared media we watched for this episode was the new Rian Johnson of Knives Out (we reviewed Glass Onion in a Patreon bonus episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/our-glass-onion-77444305 we also have a recently uploaded episode reviewing each other's media recommendations from the end portions of previous episodes!! Check it out baes) project, starring Natasha Lyonne— Poker Face, available on Peacock (or anywhere you can find it on the internet. Who said that??) Also, Alice Ju, you are a genius. For media recommendations, Sunny tells listeners and Renaissance to read Quicksand by Nella Larsen, and we complain about not being able to consume as much media. We haven't been reading books or watching movies or TV like we used to and it's really sad!!! But such is life... Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Seriously unserious, reviewing 'Sort Of' on HBOmax, & Sunnaissance Nation

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2023 125:29


    Welcome to episode 17 of season 4, in which we answer 3 listener submitted hot takes. The first hot take we talk about #StopCopCity and the frustrations that come from liberal and conservative pro-cop rhetoric, the break neck speed of the attention economy, and the goldfish memory of people who go through the same social justice learning every 2 years. The second hot take is an article submitted by a listener about a bisexual woman's feeling of isolation as a mom and wife in a cishet nuclear family suburban dynamic. What to do when you're in that sticky cross section of knowing your identity but not knowing what it means? To be is an active verb my friends! The third hot take is a visit to a recurring motif on the pod: the perils of questioning your sexuality in high school. Godspeed young comrades!

    bad mainstream lesbian representation & bad faith internet discourse

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2023 87:45


    Helloooo lovely listeners of the pod! This is episode 16 of season 4 and even though the episode was recorded over a month ago, like our Marxist foremothers, we are topical as ever. Some shop talk at the top of the episode: 1) RIP to twitter account asunnybooknook (fly high… gone but never forgotten), 2) Renaissance substack essay 3) new butch-femme zine on the scene! First we start with a hottake about how butch is not a dirty word. We love and support butches with the fervor of American Megachurch Televangelicalism and that is our God given duty. Everyone love your local butch! Secondly, we talk about the performance of “sapphism” in Fletcher and Miley Cyrus's NYC performance. We explore the DYKEotomy of “out queer artists” versus “artists who make queer art.” TLDR; stop telling us to “stream out queer artists” when said queer artists are not as talented or gay as Taylor Swift. Last hottake is about “Stalinism” and people making their unwillingness to listen and learn YOUR problem in your space! Either get with the program or don't act entitled to my time. The joint media discussed is Something to Talk About by Meryl Wilsner. Sunny read the novel in 2021, recommended it in early 2022, and Renaissance read it in December 2023– and gets hot on the mic. Sorry, literary studies moment… Not all “representation” is good! But we already knew that. Sunny formally recommends Sedating Elaine by Dawn Winter, another dark modern contemporary evil woman dating woman novel (a classic genre). Renaissance recommends The Indie Movie™ Frances Ha (2012) directed by Noah Baumbach and starring Greta Gerwig. It's possible that many of you have already watched this but we wanted to put it in the books.Hope you all enjoy this episode and once again please email us your thoughts and hot takes! thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.comPatreonTwitterInstagramYoutube

    De-centering men, distinctly pansexual, Céline Sciamma + mothers' daughters

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2023 88:47


    hello listeners! first i come to you with news of The Lavender Menace match making service currently live on the Patreon! SINGLES/NON-MONOG ONLY!!! also butches please fill out the form... the numbers are in your favor right now.episode 15 of season 4 was filmed in december 2022 and is a part of the collection of Sunnaissance IRL video content. we respond to a hot take that references The Will to Change by bell hooks and the necessity of communicating with men. we return to the question of how to decenter men without falling into the fallacies of lesbian separatism (a really good question). then we respond to a hot take about bisexual people not having a slur and also the bi vs pan distinction when moving in online spaces.our shared media portion of the episode is the Céline Sciamma directed film Petite Maman (2022). we were very excited to talk about this movie because we got to watch it on the big screen together in a theater to ourselves. we find ourselves at the beautiful intersection of Sunny's love for speculative fiction and Renaissance's love for French Romanticism (psst... read Renaissance's Taylor Swift x Romanticism essay on substack). it should not be a surprise that our passions overlap in a movie about mother-daughter relationships. a classic motif of the reviewed content here.like usual, we end the episode recommending each other pieces of media. Renaissance recommends A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night (2014) directed by Ana Lily Amirpour. It is a contemporary Iranian noir vampire film with a proclivity for showing feminist acts of violence. (yay!!) Sunny references The Never Learn by Layne Fargo in response to the film. Sunny recommends the (FRENCH) graphic novel Thieves by Lucie Bryon. "It's kind of like Heartstopper if it was French and for girls" - Sunny describing the book.hope you enjoy this episode!PatreonTwitterYoutube

    online lesbian drama & discourse: wrapping up our 2022's media input & output

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2023 116:05


    Happy new year and welcome to episode 14 of season 4!!! It's the beginning of 2023, which means that it's time to reminisce on all the movies, books, shows, albums, and LGBT internet drama we discussed and reviewed in the previous year. But first, we answer a listener submitted hot-take from Clair, who tells us about their experiences with being accused of transphobia on the basis of being a lesbian while bisexuals are presumed to be trans allies by nature of their sexual identities. In discussing the sexualization of butches and mascs as it relates to issues of trans allyship, Sunny brings up our friend and oomf of the pod, @gabbyisbutch. We reflect on our album rankings of 2022 releases and whether our opinions have changed since recording our reviews, and add up the different forms of media we've consumed and discussed in previous episodes. For 2023, Renaissance pitches reading more bad books for our shared media portions of the pod, and Sunny pitches a dating app match-making situation for our listeners via Google Form. Let us know your thoughts by connecting with us on socials or emailing us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com. We go over our respective 2022 media consumption and reading/movie watching goals for 2023, with Renaissance logging 200+ films on Letterboxd and Sunny not hitting their Goodreads reading goal of 250 books. (They read 235.) Here's to another slayful media consumption and production year for The Lavender Menace! Thank you for joining us

    forcing people out of the closet, lesbian loneliness, & Jill Gutowitz's essay collection Girls Can Kiss Now

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 28, 2022 119:41


    Catching up on some hot take submissions from the past couple months, we discuss the politics of "coming out," especially within the context of online queer fanbases bullying celebrities out of the closet re: Kit Connor (whom we mistakenly call the name of an American Girl Doll in this episode lol), Becky Albertalli, and the misusage of the term "queerbait" in the current media landscape. Sunny complains extensively about the popular liberal queer assimilationist politics especially as mediated by the internet, and references the following books this episode— The Society of the Spectacle by Guy DeBord, Lesbian Choices by Claudia Card, The Persistent Desire: A Butch-Femme Reader edited by Joan Nestle, and probably some other titles. We talk about using the word "dyke," the loneliness of lesbianism and isolation of navigating the world as someone who doesn't center men, history of autistic lesbians, and online queer community vs. IRL lesbian spaces (and the lack of them.) We discuss an essay collection we both adored but that Renaissance connected with on a spiritual and psychic level; Girls Can Kiss Now by Jill Gutowitz. We talk all about the lesbian pop culture hilarity it compasses, as well as how earnest and genuine the writing feels. Jill, please come on the podcast! For media recommendations, Sunny really enjoyed watching an Irish lesbian film A Date For Mad Mary (2016) in their COVID quarantine era, and Renaissance raves about Tár (2022). Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    fatphobia, speculating on people's sexualities, & reviewing yet another shitty teen movie

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2022 105:29


    Welcome to season 4, episode 12, in which we discuss a listener-submitted-hot-take regarding the difficulties of fatphobia and butch identity, leading us into a discussion on current standards of beauty and also butch/femme dynamics (DIRE!) in the lesbian dating scene. Also, link to gf's lesbian literature blog: https://bassabibliophile.weebly.com/ Sunny recommends the highly informative book "Fearing The Black Body" by Sabrina Strings for a deeper understanding of fatphobia in relationship to race and gender in history. Our second hot take comes from an international listener commenting on the asinine nature of discourse surrounding the ethics of sexuality speculation, which of course, we agree with. For the shared media review segment of the pod, we talk about how much we disliked Netflix's new teen movie 'Do Revenge' (2022), and how so many of the queer contemporary teen movies fall short of the classics. As a wholesome British lesbian book recommendation, Sunny talks about Iona Iverson's Rules For Commuting by Clare Pooley, and Renaissance recommends their own A League of Their Own inspired playlists. Sunny plays a game of trying to guess which Taylor Swift songs are on Renaissance's Carson x Greta playlist, found here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6JeK4NZdGfDy0G0FO3j6K1?si=547607d0c79c45e4 and Sunny plugs her 100 song gaylor playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3dJxgeQLqhVGU6ru4Gfeff?si=67869b653e2a4c66 Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, YouTube, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and support us on Patreon for bonus content and early access: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Taylor Swift's Midnights review & song ranking & lyric analysis

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2022 188:46


    Welcome to 11 of season 4, in which we discuss all of our gaylor thoughts on TS10!!! This is a special edition extra long episode for y'all, our live reaction the night of release is available on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace. Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on Twitter, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    LAVENDER (haze) SPECIAL EDITION EPISODE: Taylor Swift NOT beating the alleGAYtions

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 96:21


    For episode 10 of season 4 of The LAVENDER Menace, we are bringing to you all our gaylor thoughts and reactions to Lavender Haze Gate. Taylor's Instagram Reel explanation, the gay history of the word "lavender," and the constant battle against hetlors. The video recording of this episode is up on our Patreon for $5 tiers and above: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Midnights announcement & gaylor thoughts, discussing our favorite lesbian period dramas The Handmaiden (2016) & Summerland (2020)

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2022 159:20


    TS10 was announced at the VMAs, and this episode was recorded soon after the night of the event. (Sorry it took so long to get out, but it was a beast to edit, since the raw footage was over 3 hours long. Our patrons got early + exclusive video access though, if you want to check out our patreon!! https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) Like every other swiftie and every other bitch who thinks Taylor Swift is gay on the planet, there is so much to unpack in the Midnights album announcement post, so we get into that in lieu of our typical hot takes portion of the first section of our regularly scheduled three part podcast episode. For the shared media review and discussion portion, we watched each others' favorite lesbian period films to talk about them with each other. In our tier ranking lesbian film video, as seen here https://youtu.be/aPNf6ji-wnQ, people were in the comments talking about The Handmaiden (2016) dir. Park Chan Wook, which forced Renaissance to revisit it despite not particularly enjoying it as much as everyone else seems to during their first viewing attempts. Sunny discusses her thoughts on Renaissance's favorite film, the very sweet and wholesome (and indie and not as well known!!!) Summerland (2020) dir. Jessica Swale. Finally, for media recommendations, Renaissance recommends the television series Severance from Apple TV, and Sunny recommends the recently released novel Schmutz by Felicia Berliner. Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on Twitter, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    "Non-binary" as a 3rd gender (boo!), butch/femme (yay!), Bodies Bodies Bodies (2022) review

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 29, 2022 138:32


    Welcome to episode 8 of season 4! We're discussing hot takes about the political nature of non-binary and non-binary lesbian identity, the disrespect y'all have towards butches, and the historical precedent of butch/femme relationships. Then, we review the new A24 movie featuring our long time favorite Rachel Sennott, Bodies Bodies Bodies (2022), discussing the directorial, acting, and production prowess the film displayed. Finally, Renaissance recommends the recently released Amazon Prime TV series A League of Their Own (2022) (which we will have a bonus episode for on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) and Sunny recommends Jennette McCurdy's memoir 'I'm Glad My Mom Died.' Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on Twitter, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    celebrity culture, "queer" vs. "lesbian," reviewing + ranking Beyoncé's RENAISSANCE

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 21, 2022 86:24


    Who else is thrilled that our co-host Renaissance has had Beyoncé album named after them??? Welcome to episode 7 of season 4, in which we discuss the Taylor Swift private jet CO2 emission discourse, JoJo Siwa saying she doesn't like the word 'lesbian' in an interview, and the dominance of female singer-songwriters in the contemporary music landscape. We discuss the cultural implications of Beyoncé's participation in the notoriously and necessarily very exclusive ballroom scene, and compare our favorite songs off the album. Renaissance (the co-host, not the album) then recommends the movie Summerland (2020), a lesbian period drama, and Sunny recommends the book Trick Mirror: Notes on Self Delusion by Jia Tolentino. Thanks for joining us for this episode! You can find us on Twitter, Substack, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect. Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and possibly get featured on a future episode :)

    Carolina knows what? Sally Rooney-verse, & politics of p0rnography

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2022 99:27


    Hello The Lavender Menace listeners! Finally, here is the long awaited episode where we discuss the Sally Rooney literary universe, after Renaissance finished reading Beautiful World, Where Are You while in St. Louis. This was a major agenda point in this year's Sunnissance in St. Louis era, of which many of you– especially our Patrons!!!– have been very supportive of (emotionally and financially), which is incredibly appreciated. For some context as to why this episode took so long to go up, while in St. Louis Renaissance's laptop display started to break and began getting worse at an exponential rate (everyone booed). This slowed down the editing and publishing aspect of producing the episode quite a bit (sad-face-emoji), but the laptop is now fixed and this episode is ready for you to watch (for our Patrons

    Gaylor evidence, But I'm A Cheerleader (dir. Jamie Babbit, 1999), high femme blondes

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2022 79:30


    Welcome to episode 5 of season 4! Sunnaissance is still in St. Louis, so catch all our unabridged video content on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace and follow us on social media (@thelavendermenacepodcast basically everywhere) to keep up with our comings and goings. Anyways! On this episode, we bring forth a listener email submitted hot take that argues that a lot of the backlash to fans calling Taylor Swift gay is rooted in homophobia and misogyny, which we totally agree with!!! We go through an extensive list of gaylor evidence, including referencing The Archers podcast and this article: https://ew.com/music/2019/05/13/taylor-swift-pop-culture-obsessions/ before breaking down our love of the campy teen movie "But I'm A Cheerleader," a lesbian comedy featuring Natasha Lyonne starring as the main character. forced to go to a gay conversion therapy camp for teens. Finally, Sunny recommends the recently released literary fiction book "Just By Looking At Him" by Ryan O'Connell, and Renaissance recommends the St. Vincent movie "The Nowhere Inn" (2020). Email us your hottakes to possibly be featured in a future episode!! thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com

    IRL era! Solidarity vs. privilege, Nordic model vs. communism, Heartstopper vs. First Kill (battle of the Netflix LGBTQ teen adaptations)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 24, 2022 94:31


    Join our Patreon to access exclusive videos & bonus content, especially since we are in the same city right now (for a limited time only, sadly...): https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenaceIt's finally time for episode 4 of season 3, in which both Renaissance and Sunny are in St. Louis!!! How exciting! In other exciting news, we have heard you all yelling at us to watch and talk about Heartstopper and First Kill, so we finally give y'all our thoughts... and they might not be what you expected. But first, we discuss some listener submitted hot takes, where we revisit biphobia discourse, but add in the issue of "monosexism" and how annoying equalizing differing experiences across identities is, offering our thoughts on "allyship" and the virtue signaling of performative internet 'solidarity.' Then, we answer another listener's question about the Nordic model, AKA democratic socialism AKA imperialism. Finally, we answer a lovely email from a listener discussing the solidarity between trans women/transfems and lesbians, in the way we are both seen as predatory and threats to the feminist movement. For the last segment of the podcast, Sunny recommends the novella A Spindle Splintered by Alix E. Harrow, and Renaissance recommends the movie Dick (1999). Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    Queer identity & liberation, Derry Girls, & universal teenage girlhood experiences in media

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2022 103:32


    Today in episode 3 of season 4, we respond to a listener submitted hot take and talk about class being the primary contradiction and why we are not radical feminists, the usage of the label or word “sapphic,” and the myth of queer solidarity. Then we revisit the lesbophobia vs. biphobia discourse through another hot take submission, and how it involves outing or not outing yourself to coworkers. We reiterate the importance of reading theory, online political engagement and the instagram infographic industrial complex, and the reality of working retail and in the restaurant industry while gay. Then we discuss Derry Girls seasons 1 through 3, full spoilers ahead! We both love how this brilliant and phenomenally funny sitcom portrays realistic teenage dialogue, the very few male characters, the honoring of teenage girlhood (our love lasts so long article https://overland.org.au/2020/08/our-love-lasts-so-long-queer-devotion-in-taylor-swifts-folklore/), and of course, its portrayal of the LGBT teenage experience, Lisa McGee is so smart and talented and is clearly "writing from the soul," as Erin proclaims she does. Both of us love media about female friendship and how well Derry Girls examines the complexities of a violent but beautiful world, and discuss the universality of specificity in media portrayal, a la Sally Rooney. Obviously, we love Irish women writers. (Join our patreon and fund our trip to Ireland! https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) Good TV is spoiling us. Sunny recommends music (!??! Whoa!) to Renaissance, specifically Chappell Roan's https://open.spotify.com/artist/7GlBOeep6PqTfFi59PTUUN?si=u64LwIy1Rri9a2rGyIVDwA most recent singles, because Sunny loves Naked In Manhattan and My Kink Is Karma; Pink Pony Club is her most popular song that Renaissance already likes. Renaissance recommends the Irish singer-songwriter CMAT https://open.spotify.com/artist/3VBNIRx1LxVdRqOiPgkLwv?si=V6dZhvyQSvSb7ZvkGnqB9w, which they read while reading Conversations With Friends. CMAT's album If My Wife New I'd Be Dead and the single I Wanna Be A Cowboy Baby are very Irish woman writer coded, according to Renaissance. Sunny then recommends the book Siren Queen by Nghi Vo, which feels similar to The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo in the Hollywood glamor elements, but is much better in the writing style and magical realism. Also, support your local library!Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on twitter, instagram, Tik Tok, and letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    defending Amber Heard against the insane Johnny Depp fans, shit talking CRUSH (2022), hating & complaining

    Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2022 105:02


    Get access to 2 bonus mini-episodes a month on our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace For episode 2 of season 4, we discuss the much publicized Heard/Depp case that many of you have asked us to talk about! But before that conversation, we get to a listener submitted hot take about how Better Than Revenge by Taylor Swift is about Evelyn Hugo and Celia St. James, characters in The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkins Reid, which Renaissance enthusiastically agrees with. We again address the nature of centering men and how it plays out in the 'biphobia' surrounding rhetoric about Amber Heard. For the media discussion part of the episode, we rant about how much we hate the recently released Hulu original movie CRUSH, which has been getting too much hype for being a contemporary lesbian high school romcom when it is so bad. In our recommendations to each other, Renaissance recommends the show Dr. Foster, despite the fact that Sunny is not a big TV watcher. Sunny recommends Kelly Quindlen's lesbian young adult novels- She Drives Me Crazy (2021), Late To The Party (2020), and Her Name in The Sky (2014)- as sapphic books that deserve more hype among the LGBTQ YA book community. Along the lines of better teenage girls/lesbian media like Derry Girls and Booksmart, we encourage people to watch better comedic shit featuring sapphic teens.

    Lesbians against Harry Styles, Russian Doll Season 2 review, & matriarchies

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2022 143:44


    Welcome to the season 4 premiere of The Lavender Menace Podcast! It's been a month since our last season, but if you want 2 bonus mini-episodes every month, early access to episodes, and exclusive video content, check out our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace! In this episode, we respond to listener submitted hot takes regarding Harry Styles headlining at Coachella, online LGBTQ/queer discourse, and Taylor Swift being gay, of course. Then, we gush about how much we loved season 2 of Russian Doll (many spoilers ahead) and recommend each other heartwarming and sweet media that also deal with complex mother/daughter relationships. Renaissance recommends the sapphic, Australian, woman-directed indie film My First Summer, and Sunny recommends the novel Fight Night by Miriam Toews. Thank you for listening and you can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Letterboxd if you want to connect! And submit your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    introductory communist theory recommendations, more online LGBTQ discourse, & Gaylor Easter eggs: 1 year anniversary & season 3 finale

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2022 125:39


    Happy 1 year anniversary of The Lavender Menace Podcast! We are dedicating our anniversary, season 3 finale, and 2022 Easter episode to answering three listener submitted hot takes, going over all of Taylor Swift's Easter eggs pointing to her being gay, and reflecting on the media recommendations we've given each other in the past year. In discussing being a communist on the day to day, we recommend some beginner level theory: Angela Davis books (Freedom is a Constant Struggle, Women Race and Class, Women Culture and Politics, Are Prisons Obsolete,) Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti, Audre Lorde's Sister Outsider, Lenin's State and Revolution, Gender Accelerationist Manifesto, base and superstructure, Dialectical and Historical Materialism by Stalin, the podcast episodes Stalin was a mensch & Stalin a Marxist Leninist perspective. We also mention The Black Jacobins, Robin DG Kelley's Hammer and Hoe, The Foundations of Lenininism by Stalin, The Castle of Truth and Other Stories by Hermynia Zur Muhlen, and Mao's Combat Liberalism. (Also not mentioned in the episode but other really good theory recommendations: Walter Rodney's How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Neocolonialism by Kwame Nkrumah, Women's Liberation and he African Freedom Struggle by Thomas Sankara). We respond to a listener facing biphobia allegations and give our thoughts on radical feminism/trans exclusionary radical feminists (aka TERFs) with leads us to talking about attraction and sexual orientation's relationship to one's politics, “monosexuals”, heterosexual women's misogyny, gay men's misogyny, centering and attraction to men, the Bechdel test, and opposing transmisogyny. For another listener submitted hot take, we discuss how “androphobia” isn't real, break down the phenomenon of fetishizing of transmisogyny, and namedrop @butchboyfriend on Tik Tok. Renaissance then leads the conversation into material conditions in response to the gender binary and patriarchy, lesbophobia vs biphobia, visibility vs material conditions, the gender trinary, and trans men/butch history. Finally, we tackle the hot takes around lesbians and ‘genital preferences' and the politics of attraction. For the shared media portion of this episode, Renaissance goes through the timeline of Taylor Swift's queer coded Easter eggs and get into Dianna Agron and RED. Sunny rants about reputation and Lover's gayness and breaks down Cruel Summer which leads to Renaissance bringing up illicit affairs, Karlie Kloss, more Swiftgron, and an emphasis on Taylor's lyricism: “the world was black and white but we were in screaming color” etc. Also, “ME! Out now” on lesbian visibility day. For the final and third section of today's episode, we go through the things we've previously recommended each other on the podcast and have since consumed and enjoyed: Fleabag, Fortune Favors The Dead, Conversations With Friends, Assassination Nation, Professor Marsten and the Wonder Woman, Stella Bomkivist, and of course, the our love lasts so long article. Finally, get excited for our 4/20 bonus episode coming soon on Patreon!!! We get high and talk shit, and get more details on our origin story. Get 2 bonus episodes a month, early access, exclusive merch & more by supporting us on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenaceThanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on twitter, instagram, Tik Tok, and letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    movie adaptation controversies (The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, Where The Crawdads Sing, & Taylor Swift) + a new favorite movie (Everything Everywhere All At Once)

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 11, 2022 105:51


    Welcome to episode 12 of our 3rd season, in which we we discuss Taylor Swift related movie adaptation controversies (The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo + Where The Crawdads Sing) & how much we love the new Asian led, A24 sci-fi/action film Everything Everywhere All At Once! Which is Chris Fleming-pilled re: Sick Jan. Responding to email submitted hot takes from our listeners, we complain about The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo getting a Netflix movie adaption and our issues with it, as well as our thoughts regarding the hotly debated casting for Evelyn and Celia. In a typical fashion, Renaissance repeatedly references the Netflix series The Crown. Taylor Swift's new song on the soundtrack of Where The Crawdads Sing adaptation is getting backlash because the author is wanted in Zambia for killing people, so we are both hesitant to approach the movie and excited for new Taylor music. Finally, we joke about Reese Witherspoon being in her bag, and respond to all the bullshit surrounding Will Smith slapping Chris Rock. For the shared media portion of this episode, we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once in theaters, and BOTH of us gave it FIVE STARS ON LETTERBOXD!! Renaissance compares the multiverse intergenerational trauma mother-daughter themes to Turning Red (which Sunny hasn't seen.) Together, we shit on Marvel movies and superhero franchises, defend Everything Everywhere All At Once's campiness, compare its brilliance to Sunny's favorite movie Birds of Prey, and reference our oomfies' Letterboxd reviews. Throughout our discussion of this new movie, Sunny references Khadija's review, and Renaissance makes the bold claim that Everything Everywhere All At Once is a combination of all our favorite pieces of media-- saving face x birds of prey x chris fleming x fleabag x turning red x what marvel wants to be. We also reference the movies Disobedience, Shiva Baby, The Batman, Joker, and Sunny namedrops the Harley Quinn DC animated show, of course. Renaissance recommends the show Gentlemen Jack, Sunny rants about queer historical romance and the need for a gay Bridgerton re: Cat Sebastian & Olivia Waithe, and recommends the lesbian literary novel Yerba Buena by Nina LaCour. Join our Patreon for 2 extra mini episodes a month (special 4/20 episode coming soon...

    gaylor swifties of color thoughts on race, gender, & Charli XCX's album CRASH

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2022 80:13


    episode 11 of season 3: an 80 minute episode from us???? crazy! in responding to a listener submitted hot take from Adin, we discuss our experiences with and how we engage with race/gender/perception and community as gaylor swifties of color, when a lot of the gaylor community seems to be white. Sunny mentions @sillygoofygirlseekinggf on Tik Tok, and Renaissance addresses their apprehension towards Taylor's shifting fan base. We discuss the queerness of hyper femininity and Taylor Swift's queerness, especially in regards to who and why some people recognize it. Simply put, the other pop girlies are not doing it like blondie! Renaissance also references Whitney Houston as an example of a woman existing in the public perception as an icon for the gay community, when she, like many other queer pop icons, was gay herself. Sunny references the Patreon exclusive bonus episode we recorded discussing the 1996 film The Watermelon Woman (dir. Cheryl Dunye.) ( btw join our Patreon for access to 2 bonus episodes a month as well as early access to episodes and the video recordings of episodes! https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) For the media analysis portion of this episode, we talk hyperpop and rank + review the new Charli XCX album, CRASH. In our media recommendations, Renaissance pitches the 1927 silent film, Children of Divorce, which is surprisingly non-problematic and leads Sunny to mention Henry James' The Portrait of a Lady and Theodore Dreiser's Sister Carrie. Sunny's book recommendation this week is the recently released essay collection Girls Can Kiss Now by Jill Gutowitz, whom we discussed in our previous episode's hot take about the New York Post's shitty article about lesbian fashion. Jill, if you're listening, you should come on the podcast after Renaissance reads your book!!! We had the author of The Divines, Ellie Eaton, on the podcast season 1, so hit us up at (and other listeners, send your hot takes here as well) thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, and Letterboxd for more unhinged swiftie ramblings. XOXO

    Lesbophobia online? Can men direct movies about women? Why is Russian Doll so good?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2022 94:47


    Get 2 bonus episodes a month, early access, exclusive merch & more by supporting us on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenaceWelcome to episode 10 of season 3! Thank you to the listeners who emailed us their hot take submissions, as it allowed us to shit talk that awful Tik Tok song (“hey mom… I like boys too… I'm not a full on raging lezbo—“ ew), discuss the efficacy of men directing lesbian movies (re: Mulholland Drive, Disobedience, The Handmaiden vs. Below Her Mouth, Blue is the Warmest Color, etc.), and puzzle over the NYPost article about ‘lesbian fashion', supposedly becoming cool. Renaissance brings up The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, and Sunny alludes to the YA novel Last Night At The Telegraph Club by Malinda Lo (which we discuss in episode 6 of season 3). Next, we sing the praises of the 2019 Natasha Lyonne TV show, Russian Doll, and Sunny references a video essay (that Renaissance didn't watch…) by lady the knight brave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIFPNbiUJS4 delineating the many themes of trauma, feminism, and humor of this Netflix original series. We greatly anticipate the second season!!! Finally, Renaissance recommends another Netflix exclusive piece of media, Hannah Gadsby's stand up comedy show Nanette, and Sunny recommends the movie Tully (2017) and the recently released contemporary romance novel Delilah Green Doesn't Care by Ashley Herring Blake. Thanks for joining us for this episode, and you can find us on twitter, instagram, Tik Tok, and letterboxd if you want to connect! Send your hot takes to thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com.

    Ranking our top 10 favorite Taylor Swift songs, rehashing Tik Tok drama, & battling Hetlors with The Archers podcast cohosts Madyson & Katie!!!

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 17, 2022 121:20


    Katie and Madyson of The Archers podcast join us to discuss the lovely emails we get from our listeners and talk about the Gaylor internet! Then, we go through our top ten Taylor Swift songs of all time (not set in stone, of course) and all of our queer, personal, literary interpretations of them. Songs off of evermore, folklore, reputation, Lover, 1989, Red (Taylor's Version), Speak Now, and debut all make features, Kaylor and Karlie Kloss, Swiftgron and Dianna Agron, and Joe Alwyn all make cameos in our discussions, of course. Undeniable sapphism, lesbianism, and queerness in Taylor's work is sooooo evident...! Emily Dickinson and Sue Gilbert are namedropped. In discussing the development of our relationship to Taylor Swift and her music over the course of our lives, Katie talks about being a massive Kanye fan in high school, Madyson mentions accidental gaylor interpretations, and Renaissance gushes over Katie being happily married to her fellow gaylor swiftie wife. We talk more in depth about reputation on The Archers, where Sunny and Renaissance make guest appearances, so check that out if you haven't already!Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenaceFollow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheLavenderPodInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thelavendermenacepod/Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/thelavenderpod/Playlist of the songs Renaissance referenced: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1DWQsaDWFxzkZkMhYsTCgq?si=3d02eeca6f03401cPlaylist of all of our top 10 favorite Taylor songs: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3Ay8DaeQXECm6m3Y8DtXgJ?si=e36260fe38074584

    Hating on validity politics, corny lesbian short films, & podcast updates!

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2022 85:51


    BONUS EPISODE ON HBO EUPHORIA'S SEASON 2 FINALE UP ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/join/TheLavenderMenace Welcome to episode 8 of season 3! Here is a comma separated, hopefully exhaustive list of things we discuss: "tankies," the misuse of the word "nuance," debunking the idea of “state capitalism,” (books referenced- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, Blood In My Eye by George Jackson, Neocolonialism by Kwame Nkrumah, The Unfree Origins Of American Capitalism by Seth Rockman, Dialectical and Historical Materialism by Stalin), the silliness of a sapphic Tik Tok about the oppression of bottoms, "you're so valid" etc, opposing the gender trinary, material reality of gendered oppression, the new Netflix lesbian short film Heart Shot is kind of corny, Void dir. Emma Seligman, D.E.B.S., Leading Lady Parts, Shiva Baby, Recicatif (in reference to discussing Passing on season 3 episode 3), adaptations, Arrival and Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life and Others, Asali Solomon's new novel The Days of Afrekete. Bonus episode on The Watermelon Woman available for Patrons soon! Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, Letterboxd, and YouTube for extra The Lavender Menace slay, and you can email us your hot takes to discuss at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com!

    discussing misandry, white women, & Chinese lesbian representation in "Saving Face" (2004) dir. Alice Wu

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2022 116:57


    The opening question for Season 3 Episode 7: do you say "Sunny and Renaissance" or "Renaissance and Sunny"??? Following our typical three part structure, we discuss a listener submitted hot take, a movie we watched together, and recommend each other media. Our lovely patron Elle (we appreciate our patrons so much!! https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace) submitted a hot take about misandry, which led Sunny to bring up Men's Rights Activists groups working on twisting civil rights law. You can find more info about what Sunny is talking about in this article: https://jezebel.com/men-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-on-campuses-are-suing-1848347194. Then, we discuss white women and misandry, and recommend the books They Were Her Property by Stephanie Jones-Rogers and Hood Feminism by Mikki Kendall. We go on to discuss the movie The Birth of a Nation, transmisogyny, and getting discriminated against for an identity you don't even hold. Renaissance complains more about male feminists and the desire for oppressed groups to have all the answers. For our shared media portion of the episode, we discuss Saving Face (2004) Alice Wu, which we mentioned in our previous episode. We compare our Letterboxd star ratings, and Sunny compares the movie to Lulu Wang's The Farewell, and Wu's other movie The Half of It . Finally, Renaissance recommends HBO's Big Little Lies, and Sunny recommends the books The Perks of Loving A Wallflower by Erica Ridley and Sabrina & Corina by Kali Fajardo-Anstine. Thank you for being a listener! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, Letterboxd, and Patreon at The Lavender Menace Podcast.

    Marxist feminists vs. internet discourse on sex, Fleabag, & lamenting abysmal media literacy/comprehension levels

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 27, 2022 151:52


    Episode 6 of our 3rd season- in which we discuss hot takes about reading theory, fanfiction, the split attraction model, sex work, and tumblr queers. Sunny reads some excerpts from Caliban and the Witch by Sylvia Federici to make some points about Marxist feminism. Renaissance has finally effectively forced Sunny into watching Phoebe Waller Bridge's TV series Fleabag, because there's been a recent internet phenomenon of people talking about being in their "Fleabag era." Clearly, media literacy is something many people lack. In return, Sunny forced Renaissance to read Last Night At The Telegraph Club by Malinda Lo, a young adult historical lesbian romance novel. Renaissance recommends the new Disney animated movie Encanto (we love to hate on Lin-Manuel Miranda- as we should) in the vein of generational family stories, and Sunny recommends the We Set The Dark On Fire duology by Tehlor Kay Mejia in the vein of sapphic YA novels. Become a patron and get early access and exclusive content from us: https://patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace! Send us your hot takes to discuss on future episodes at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com! Or message/tweet/shout us out on social media, @TheLavenderPod on Twitter and @TheLavenderMenacePod on Instagram and Tik Tok. Much lesbian love and socialist solidarity!

    our advice to LGBTQ high schoolers & very belated review of Adele's latest album, 30

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2022 100:15


    Disclaimer: this episode was recorded back in November of 2021, but we said what we said! We respond to a listener's negative experiences with male entitlement (trigger warning for sexual harassment) as well as their hot take on the Madonna/Whore dynamic in relationship to lesbianism. This listener's message was a delight to go through, and Renaissance really saw themself in their email. To sum up our advice- you will learn and grow and change, and current high school sapphic listeners should apply to historically women's college if they're considering going to college. For the media analysis portion of the pod, Renaissance reveals being a long time Adele stan, but Sunny is a bit more of a reluctant listener. As usual with our album reviews, we rank the songs on 30 from least enjoyed to most enjoyed, and while everything we said in this episode still stands, keep in mind that these were our fresh reactions and our thoughts on the album have settled and ruminated over time. And as usual, we make comparative analyses to Taylor Swift. (We are diehard swiftie gaylors and that's the truth!) For the final third part of the podcast where we recommend each other media, Sunny pitches The Secret Lives of Church Ladies by Deesha Philyaw, a short story collection about various Black women's experiences in loose relationship to their churches. Renaissance recommends Adele's debut album 19 for its parallels to her current work. You can support The Lavender Menace podcast by becoming a patron at patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace. Follow us on socials for updates and extra content, @thelavendermenacepod on Tik Tok and Instagram, @thelavenderpod on Twitter and Letterboxd. Sunny can be found discussing books on YouTube and Twitter at a sunny book nook, and Renaissance can be reached at @renaissancemarie on Instagram and Tik Tok, and @rxnaissance on Twitter.

    Shawn Mendes is gay, look back on 2021's trials & tribulations, slays & cancellations

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 10, 2022 158:24


    Welcome to episode 4 of season 3 of The Lavender Menace podcast! Today we will be recapping our past year of podcasting- the journey we've been on from starting season 1 in April to being in the midst of season 3 now, in January of 2022. But first, we respond to some of our listener submitted hot takes. (You can email your hot takes to us for us to respond on the pod at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com btw.) We demolish the Camilla Cabello x Shawn Mendes PR relationship, delineate clockability of gayness vs. the fake term "queer passing," and patriarchy and transmisogyny within the context of "the queer community." We discuss homosociality, the contrast between performative queerness and innate queerness, and sapphic vs. gay social realities. In our overview of the year, we reminisce upon the biphobia cancellation(s) and our favorite episodes and media consumed in 2021, as well as our intentions and purpose behind creating this podcast in the first place. Our podcast creator Spotify Wrapped stats are mind blowing- we have over 15k followers on Spotify! This, in contrast to our humble beginnings, shocks us and we are grateful for everyone involved in our little community, whether you listen to us casually or follow us on all social media platforms. Speaking of, you can find us on Tik Tok and Instagram @thelavendermenacepod, and follow us on Twitter and Letterboxd @thelavenderpod! Support us directly and get exclusive/early access content (this episode was released 3 days earlier!!) on Patreon.com/thelavendermenace. Thanks so much for an incredible 2021, can't wait for an even more amazing 2022 of the pod.

    blondie's 32nd birthday! album rankings & what was Taylor Swift's best era?

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 14, 2021 52:06


    It's Taylor Swift's birthday, and as leaders in the gaylor swiftie community, it is our public duty to bring to you a SPECIAL BONUS EPISODE!!! who cheered who clapped who screamed? Thanks so much to Tayo (@starshineclay on twitter) for bullying us into recording this last minute. We ranked every Taylor Swift album, gave our percentage of songs we love versus the rest of the songs on each album, and harshly judged every single era Miss Swift has undergone. Get more (exclusive!) banter about Taylor's music by joining us on Patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace. Hit us up with your hot takes to be featured on future episodes! Email them to us thelavendemermenace@gmail.com, tweet them to us @thelavenderpod, DM us on Instagram @thelavendermenacepod, subscribe to our YouTube, and stalk our TikTok @thelavendermenacepod! We appreciate you so much for being here.

    fake gays, is Reputation overrated? & Passing (2021) dir. Rebecca Hall

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 8, 2021 147:16


    Some scintillating takes for listeners on season 3's episode 3 of The Lavender Menace! Including but not limited to: are "fake bisexuals" real/bad/an issue? (Short answer is no. The issue is always heterosexism.) Is Taylor Swift a good person? Are Letterboxd reviewers the worst? Renaissance and Sunny fervently defend Taylor Swift's album 'Reputation' in response to our 17 year old gaylor listener's hot take submission, discuss the political implications of her potential "coming out" (which we argue, has already occurred), and how she operates as an artist in the world we live in. After the regularly scheduled hot take portion of the pod, Renaissance discusses how the recently released Rebecca Hall adaptation of Nella Larsen's Passing, available on Netflix, portrays inter-community Black issues in a nuanced and intelligent way that many audience members are seeming to miss. Sunny looks at Passing from a comparative analysis perspective as someone who read and loved the classic Harlem Renaissance book the film is based on. In cross-referencing fictionalized experiences to real life people's history, as recorded in the seminal nonfiction book Black Metropolis by St. Clair Drake and Horace R. Cayton Jr.'s chapter 7, titled "Crossing The Color Line" (available to read for free on Archive.org), Sunny and Renaissance discuss the historical and pop cultural relevancy of the questions Passing brings up about racial identity, visibility and Blackness, and the legitimate unique racial experiences regarding cross-cultural and boundary crossing that people experience. Renaissance also compares the experience of watching the film to reading the Toni Morrison short story, Recitatif, in their similar authorial manipulation of racial perception for the narratives' consumer. And transitioning into the regularly scheduled third part of the podcast, Sunny recommends the semi recently released and critically acclaimed Brit Bennet novel The Vanishing Half, which follows two sisters over the course of their lives and the varying racial experiences they have as white passing Black women in 20th century American society. Renaissance recommends the movie Aimée and Jaguar (1999) dir. Max Färberböck for the lesbian period piece goodness of it all, as well as its portrayal of the dynamics and contradictions of racial/ethnic perception in the context of another 20th century caste society- Nazi Germany. Thanks for being a listener! Support us by becoming a patron at Patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace, following us on socials: @thelavenderpod on Twitter and Letterboxd, @thelavendermenacepod on Instagram and Tik Tok, & The Lavender Menace Podcast on YouTube. You can submit your hot take to be featured on the next episode by emailing us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com or messaging us on any of our social media accounts!

    Compulsory heterosexuality, Red (Taylor's Version) ranking + review, defending Taylor Swift against the haters

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2021 166:06


    Happy Red (Taylor's Version) release everyone! We are so excited to share our thoughts on the All Too Well (1o minute version) short film and our ranking of the album in episode 2 season 3 of The Lavender Menace podcast. But before Sunny and Renaissance get into all that, we discuss three (3!) of y'all's hot takes that answer the following questions: is compulsory heterosexuality a lesbian exclusive experience? (Short answer, yes.) How are millennial cis bisexual white women the most delusional people alive? (Other "leftist" podcast hosts have such shitty takes, unlike us...) Why do y'all bully minors over the most ridiculous things? (You need to deprogram yourself from imperialist propaganda.) After our hot takes, we discuss all our Taylor Swift thoughts now that we've listened to Red TV and watched her directorial debut of the short film featuring Sadie Sink and Dylan O'Brien. We defend her against white feminist allegations, queercode her work as always, and contextualize the re-release of this seminal album within her career. Finally, we give each other quick recommendations, Renaissance's Scenes of a Marriage and Sunny's Spencer, one of which will be the basis for our next episode! Hint hint. Send us more of your amazing hot takes! You can reach us on Twitter @TheLavenderPod and email us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com for submissions. Subscribe to our $1 tier (or our higher tiers....?!) at patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace to support the pod and get exclusive content and early access!

    addressing the biphobia discourse, battling internet ignorance, & our Fearless (Taylor's Version) x reputation era

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 9, 2021 99:47


    Welcome to season 3 of The Lavender Menace! Today we are forgoing our typical three part structure to complain about recent allegations, internet happenings, online battles... Sunny is in their reputation era again, thanks to overly online bisexuals accusing Sunny of being overly online while flooding them with violent online harassment. As Sunny's number one defender (and number one hater,) Renaissance talks about the overwhelming whiteness involved with people getting angry over lesbians speaking the obvious. We reference season 1 episode 4 throughout this episode, so if you haven't listened to that one yet, you should do that! We talk about how lesbophobia is the legitimate unique amalgamation of systemic oppression people seem to think biphobia is, and break down every single talking point we've been seeing floating around due to the accidental launching of this round of LGBTQ discourse. Renaissance discusses how the internet phenomenon of hating on reading theory and complex, necessary vocabulary usage is frustrating as hell, we rant about the ridiculousness of accusing Sunny being a TERF or transphobic in their talking points, and how nothing Sunny or Renaissance said was wrong. Much love to our listeners who've supported us through the insanity of the past several weeks of getting collectively dogpiled on. Thank you so much to our Patreon patrons as well, we appreciate you so much. If you want the Patreon exclusive video edition of this episode where you can see Sunny wear their Taylor Swift official merch folklore shirt (which is pictured in this episode's cover art, as well as Renaissance's painting of The Lavender Menace logo on a tote bag, and screen caps of the shit we've been going through...) and drink copious amounts of tea in between yelling, cackling, and ranting, go subscribe! Pledges start as low as $5 a month, with more exclusive content the higher up your pledges are :) Email us your hot take at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com to be featured on an upcoming season 3 episode! Follow us on Twitter @thelavenderpod! Support the pod by becoming a patron: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Season 2 finale: the media that shaped us & our childhood queerness, unique relationships to fandom

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2021 137:57


    We have arrived at the end of season 2, and it's time for us to talk about the media that made us the crazy bitches/mean lesbians/critical media consumers we are. But first, we respond to your lovely emails (thank you to everyone reaching out to us! Please continue to do this! Email us with your hot takes and atthelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com) and give a listener our thoughts on what her art thesis project about queerness should entail. Then we discuss some of the media that we were obsessed with as children- Renaissance and Sunny's experiences diverge in many ways, from our social lives and the gendered experiences we had, to our relationships to social media and internet access. However, we both had very cringe fandom moments, of course. Finally, we recommend our childhood favorites to each other. Sunny recommends the young adult novel Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universeby Benjamin Alire Saenz and Renaissance recommends the 2002 Chicago movie musical directed by Rob Marshall. Connect with us individually on Instagram (@renaissancemarie @sunnywithacamera, follow us so when we go live together you can be an active participant!) or our Youtube channels, Renaissance Marie and a sunny book nook, respectively. You can find both of us being unhinged on our joint Twitter account @thelavenderpod, subscribe to our Youtube channel The Lavender Menace, and become a patron at patreon.com/thelavendermenace for early access and exclusive content! Thank you to our lovely patrons. We'll be back every two weeks with new episodes for season 3. See you in our next episode to kick off our next season!

    Back from the hiatus, your nice emails (August throwback), Hannah Wilke at the Pulitzer Arts Foundation

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2021 57:59


    Hey everyone! Sorry for our unintended and unannounced one month break, but the podcast is back on!!! Here is episode 9 of season 2 that we recorded back in August when Renaissance and Sunny were both in St. Louis and saw the Hannah Wilke exhibition at the Pulitzer Arts Foundation (more info here: https://pulitzerarts.org/art/hannah-wilke/) together, amidst doing many other things frolicking around Sunny's hometown. We discuss our thoughts on Wilke's multi-media art for the media analysis portion of the episode, and respond to your nice emails as our hot-take portion. We do fervently agree that Lover is a deeply underrated and under-appreciated Taylor Swift album, of course. For the recommendations part of this episode, Sunny recommends The Suicide Squad- the sequel- because it has surprisingly anti imperialist messaging, which lines up with DC's portrayal of Harley Quinn in the cartoon show as well. US military collaboration in superhero films and media a topic of discussion once again! Renaissance recommends Faye Webster's 2019 album Atlanta Millionaire' Club, her dream pop vibes giving Lorde but lighter. Thank you all so much for your lovely emails and messages and interactions on socials for the past over a month or so we haven't dropped a full episode, it's been tiding us over during our hyper-busy eras which have left you all, our dear The Lavender Menace listeners, in a content drought :( Although we did drop the unedited version of this video/episode early in September for our Patreon subscribers! BTW subscribe to us on Patreon.com/thelavendermenace for patron exclusive content, early access to episodes, merch, and other fun stuff. We deeply apologize for our absence and hope to hear from you soon in our email inbox (thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com) or on Twitter (@thelavenderpod)!! Missing seeing your proposed hot take submissions...!

    Did we like Solar Power ?! + thoughts on Hasan's $2.4 million house & 'Assassination Nation' (2018)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2021 74:41


    Welcome to episode 8 of season 2 of The Lavender Menace, where your cohosts Sunny and Renaissance are finally in the same city, house, room! Our sunnaissance in St. Louis era has been documented extensively on @thelavenderpod on Twitter, our personal Twitters (@asunnybooknook & @rxnaissance), and Renaissance's Instagram @renaissancemarie, if you want to go check that out... anyways today we discuss Lorde's highly anticipated third album, Solar Power. As usual with music (re: our SOUR review episode), Renaissance is a hater and Sunny loves it. Then, we discuss a listener submitted hot take from Jules about the discourse going on with Twitter fighting about Hasan, a "socialist' internet streamer, buying a multimillion dollar house in Los Angelos, and consider the impossible future of this podcast blowing up and becoming rich. Basically, we are Hasan haters and Alexis @lexi4prez on Twitter stans. We watched Assassination Nation (2018) directed by Sam Levinson and have thoughts about the hypersexualization of teenage girlhood, American fascist violence, and the melodrama of cinema about high schoolers. Finally, for recommendations, Sunny recommends the translated book An Elderly Lady Is Up To No Good by Helene Tursten, and Renaissance recommends the movie 9 to 5 (1980) directed by Bruce Gilbert. For the video version of this podcast episode as well as early access to content (and exclusive content! Like our gift exchange...!), subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheLavenderMenace

    Gaylor blind items, the intimacy of female friendship & the queerness of girlhood, are you a Renaissance or a Sunny?

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2021 80:53


    Hello swifties/gaylors/our fellow mentally ill sapphics obsessed with a 5'10 blonde Sagittarius, Today we are blind reacting (kinda) to a listener submitted gaylor blind item blog post (link here: https://girlsandgaylors.tumblr.com/post/187281985680/gaylor-blind-items-2014-now) from @ariesgodmother on instagram for our hot take portion of the podcast, then discussing the novella Many A Little Makes by Sarah Shen-lien Bynam in The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/books/novellas/many-a-little-makes submitted by @whataoife on Twitter, and finally recommendations, as always. Renaissance recommends the classic 1991 movie Thelma and Louise, and Sunny recommends the upcoming Sally Rooney release Beautiful World Where Are You. Follow us on Twitter @thelavenderpod for live updates and more gaylor shitposting! Message us on socials or email us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com with your hot take for the chance to be featured in our next episode. Support the pod by becoming a patron at patreon.com/thelavendermenace!

    Abolish the olympics & the brilliance of Miranda July's 'Kajillionaire' (2020)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2021 102:37


    On this week's installment of Sunny and Renaissance's regularly scheduled three part podcast of a submitted hot take, joint media consumption, and personalized recommendations for each other, your favorite lesbian communists exhibit their bimboism in regards to professional sports but ultimately comes to the conclusion that like capitalism, they must be abolished! Thank you to @scissorclown on Twitter for this scathing hot take. Then we rant and scream and cry and yell and stomp over the absolute wildness that is the 2020 indie drama Kajillionaire directed by Miranda July, whom we definitely think is a genius. This unconventional heist movie about family, money, survival, love, intimacy, emotional neglect, queerness and mentally ill lesbians with mommy issues....! Yeah we are a bit blown away. Finally, Sunny recommends the novel Pizza Girl by Jean Kyoung-Frazier in how it has the same weirdly hyper specific scenario x brilliant queer energy of Kajillionaire, and Renaissance recommends the campy 2004 movie D.E.B.S. directed by Angela Robinson (the director of Renaissance's favorite movie, Professor Marsten and the Wonder Woman).Find us on Twitter @thelavenderpod and email us your hot take(s) to get featured on future episodes thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com! Become a patron at patreon.com/thelavendermenace if you want to support us beyond listening and get early access and exclusive content :) ❤️

    Fluidity of sexuality vs. lesbianism & thoughts on queer(bait-y) British comedy show This Way Up ft. guest! Palestinian lesbian stan twitter bae @abitallie

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2021 93:43


    Welcome to episode 5 of season 2 of The Lavender Menace podcast, where we, smart lesbian communists of color, discuss hot takes about communism lesbianism and everything fun sexy and cool, consume and discuss queer media, and recommend books movies and TV shows to each other. Today we are joined by the lovely Nour, whom you might recognize from lesbian film milf stan twitter @abitallie! Our lovely listener Ruhi submitted some meme hot takes for us to discuss from the instagram account @themcel.pill, in which we discuss the fluidity and individuality of queer identity versus the solidity and reality of lesbianism. For the second part of the episode we discuss the Hulu original series This Way Up and the disappointing lesbophobia in season 2. Sunny still can't watch TV but they for sure tried! For media recommendations, Renaissance recommends Judas and the Black Messiah (2021) and has thoughts on the racial and economic implications of the popularity of revolutionary figures in media, and on a lighter note also recommends the lesbian classic Desert Hearts (1985) which they attempted to make Sunny watch months ago. Nour recommends the movie Nell (1994) as a lighthearted 2.7 Letterboxd stars watch, and Sunny recommends the short story collection The Secret Lives of Church Ladies by Deesha Philyaw published in 2020. Send your hot takes to us at thelavendermenacepodcast@gmail.com and @thelavenderpod on twitter! Subscribe to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/join/TheLavenderMenace?

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