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In this Greatest Hits Series episode, I chat with two of the sharpest orthodontic minds I know, Dr. Sean Holliday and Dr. Barry Glaser, to talk about aligners, efficiency, and tech in orthodontics.Sean runs a multi-location juggernaut in Hawaii. Barry's crushing it with a boutique-style practice in New York. Both have totally different models, but they've dialed in workflows that make remote monitoring sing.We dig into what's working, what's not, the most common mistakes (yeah, I've made some too), and how tech can help you see fewer patients per day while growing your practice.If you're struggling with finding good team members or just want a smarter way to scale… you've got to hear this.

Welcome to We Heart Therapy! In this episode, join Dr. Belle, PhD, LMFT, ICEEFT Certified EFT Supervisor & Therapist, and special guest Dr. James Hawkins (aka "Doc Hawk"), PhD, LPC, ICEEFT Certified EFT Trainer, as they explore the acronym L'TEMPO—a practical tool for assembling elements of emotional experience to effectively track the negative cycle in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT). Whether you're a seasoned mental health professional or just starting your journey in EFT, this conversation offers actionable insights to refine your skills and deepen your understanding of the cycle-tracking process. Gain practical tools to enhance your effectiveness in therapy sessions, and learn from the combined expertise of two passionate leaders in the EFT community. Dr. Hawkins, a co-host of The Leading Edge in Emotionally Focused Therapy podcast and co-creator of the Success in Vulnerability online learning platform, brings his wealth of experience and a collaborative spirit to this engaging discussion with host Dr. Belle, a trusted community leader in the Southern NV EFT Community in Las Vegas.   ✨ What You'll Learn in This Video: The meaning and application of the L'TEMPO acronym in EFT sessions How to assemble and connect emotional experiences to track the negative cycle Practical tips for sharpening your EFT skills as a therapist Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell to stay updated on all things EFT!  

Welcome back to Kitchen Table Finance for Season 4! In this highly anticipated episode, Dave and Nick dive into their annual predictions for 2025, reflecting on their 2024 forecasts and offering insights into what might be ahead for the markets, economy, and more. https://youtu.be/DEeoSfGVgDM Highlights from the Episode Recap of 2024 Predictions: The S&P 500 outperformed expectations, closing the year with a 23.3% gain—well above the historical average of 12.3%. Notable forecasts from major firms: Oppenheimer was the closest, predicting a modest 7–10% gain. J.P. Morgan missed the mark, predicting a 10% loss. Nick's Prediction: A near-perfect call of 22%, though humorously tied to the Detroit Lions winning the Super Bowl. 2024 Lessons Learned: Predictions are inherently uncertain; most are based on long-term trends, not short-term market moods. Despite global concerns like elections, geopolitical tensions, and inflation, the market climbed steadily, exemplifying the "wall of worry" phenomenon. Predictions for 2025: S&P 500 Growth: Dave predicts a modest gain to 6,000, citing mean reversion after two stellar years. Nick forecasts a slightly higher target of 6,161, agreeing on modest growth. Small-Cap and International Stocks: Both agree these sectors are overdue for a resurgence, with valuations suggesting potential gains. AI and Tech Companies: The duo expects growth in AI-driven stocks to moderate, with broader market sectors stepping into the spotlight. Key Themes for 2025: Economic Growth: Optimism remains high, with no signs of recession and strong job numbers supporting market momentum. Inflation and Interest Rates: Stabilizing rates and controlled inflation are expected to shape economic trends. Policy Uncertainty: Potential changes in tariffs, taxes, and energy policies could introduce volatility. Advice for Investors: Stay diversified and invested for the long term. Avoid making drastic portfolio changes based on short-term predictions. Prepare mentally for market corrections, as unforeseen events (like COVID-19) often drive significant disruptions. Fun Predictions: Nick predicts this could finally be the Detroit Lions' year to win it all! Dave remains hopeful for a playoff return for the Detroit Red Wings. Additional Resources: Check out Dave's blog post on Lifeboat Drills for preparing your portfolio for market downturns. Stay tuned for future episodes where Dave and Nick dive deeper into strategies for navigating unpredictable markets. Tune in to hear Dave and Nick's full discussion, packed with humor, insights, and actionable advice for 2025! Subscribe NOW!

Mercury is the star this week and what a pain in the ass he is right now. He's mucking up your connections on the personal side and pipeline on for your business.   You have incredible drive to tackle anything, so it's an active time. You want to get going in every direction. Yet, carve out some time to align your mind, heart and will by staying present to experience life around you right now. Giving yourself permission to live fully adds so much juiciness to both your life and business.   On the business side: All of those ideas you had last week have to be put on hold for a few weeks and that seems aggravating. But, actually, it's not. It's better to let them percolate to be revisited and reimagined. They'll be 100x better for it. Additional Resources: Check out our SPECIAL Workshop: Breakthrough to YOU in 2025:·      Prepare yourself and your business for the massive wake-up call at the end of March, while learning how to be unwavering in your purpose throughout the chaos so you attract your soul mate clients.·      Go through the Stars, your Signature, and a deep dive into the Strategies to outline your annual business strategy. November New Moon Ritual: ·      Listen to Podcast 114: November New Moon's Cosmic Triangles to get a prosperity ritual!Take our Quiz to discover your Intuitive Success Signature!·      Find out how you can best thrive during this month by discovering your unique (one of six) personalized energetic signature here. Over 20,000 people have discovered theirs: Know Your Life QuizRemember to take care of yourself during this busy time, and give thanks to your friends and family. As always, thank you for listening! Don't forget to rate, review, and share your favorite episodes! Until next time, happy soul tidings. 

In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People' with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope. Today's guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experience with grief, resilience, and maintaining hope as a follower of Christ. The conversation digs into what lament looks like and how lament allows believers to acknowledge pain while still holding on to hope in Christ. Sandra shares her personal experience of what a gift communal lament is and how faith communities can support each other through structured services of lament. This episode offers comforting insights and practical encouragement for anyone seeking to understand how faith sustains us in times of grief. Additional Resources: - Check out Sandra's new book, Send Out Your Light (sandramccracken.com/sendoutyourlight) - Be encouraged by Laura Story's book, When God Doesn't Fix It (perimeter.org/WhenGodDoesntFixIt) - Listen to the hymn Dear Refuge of My Weary Soul by Anne Steele - Check out the recent Digging Deeper episode: The Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts (perimeter.org/podcast/the-holy-spirit-and-spiritual-gifts/) - Subscribe to our YouTube channel and hit the notification bell to get notified of new episodes. >

Are you dreading the end of daylight savings time and the darker months ahead? In this episode, I reveal how this weekend's time change could actually be the perfect opportunity to reset your morning routine and finally make fitness a consistent part of your life. In this episode, you'll discover: How did daylight savings really start? (The common story about farmers isn't true) What does research reveal about the health impacts of changing our clocks? Why is the fall time change easier on our bodies than the spring? How can you use this weekend's time change to naturally wake up earlier? What specific steps should you take Saturday night and Sunday morning? How can you reframe the darker months as a positive time for health and recovery? Additional Resources: Check out these related episodes: Episode 210: Immune System Blackout Episode 203: Lessons From 20 Years of Fitness Episode 141: Building Resilience with Your Morning Practice References: https://www.colorado.edu/coloradan/2022/11/07/history-daylight-saving-time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_Hawaii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving https://fortune.com/well/article/daylight-saving-time-is-hurting-your-health/ https://acuteservices.com/workplace-safety-is-daylight-savings-time-a-hazard/ https://www.bostonpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/understanding-daylight-saving-time-safety-tips-and-awareness/ Get your copy of 5 Ways to Stop Wrecking Weight Loss for FREE by going to https://www.beginwithin.fit/ebook⁠. Join my Facebook group for daily workouts and nutrition: https://www.facebook.com/groups/beginwithinfit/ Ready to get serious about your health and fitness? Sign up for coaching with me here: https://www.beginwithin.fit/coaching⁠ Here's a link to some of the gear my clients and I use to workout successfully at home: https://www.beginwithin.fit/gear⁠

Losing Strategies in Relationships In this episode, Amanda, Laura, and Kendra dive into the first of two episodes on losing strategies in relationships, focusing on behaviors that harm intimacy and connection. Drawing from the work of renowned therapist Terry Real and psychologist Dr. Jennifer Finlayson Fife, the hosts break down five common maladaptive strategies that people often use, thinking they will give them more power in relationships. However, these strategies ultimately damage trust and closeness. Laura introduces the topic, sharing insights from her relationship coaching certification with Terry Real. She explains how these losing strategies—many of which are ingrained in us from childhood—can become habits that undermine relationships, particularly in the high-stress environment of medicine. The five losing strategies discussed in this episode are: 1. Being Right: Focusing on winning an argument at the expense of the other person's feelings or perspective. The hosts share the idea that "do you want to be right, or do you want to stay married?" and stress the importance of empathy and understanding over proving a point. 2. Controlling: Covert control can manifest through withholding information or micromanaging, often under the guise of "keeping the peace." The hosts explore how this undermines mutual respect and fuels resentment. 3. Unbridled Self-Expression: Venting every emotion without considering the other person's needs or the timing of the conversation. This often leads to emotional overwhelm and distancing. 4. Retaliation: Reacting to hurt by trying to hurt the other person in return. This tit-for-tat behavior creates a toxic cycle of resentment and emotional distance. 5. Withdrawal: Shutting down emotionally or physically to avoid conflict or vulnerability. The hosts explore how this leads to unresolved issues and emotional disconnection. The episode ends with a reminder to reflect on these strategies in ourselves rather than using them to criticize our partners. The hosts emphasize the importance of self-awareness, empathy, and active listening as foundational steps toward improving relationships. Additional Resources Check out the free video "How to Crush Physician Burnout for Good" in the show notes. Learn evidence-based strategies to overcome burnout without cutting back hours, quitting medicine, or "sucking it up" in silence. Tune in next time for part two, where the hosts will continue this important conversation with more losing strategies and introduce some winning ones! How to Crush Physician Burnout (for Good)-free video https://terryreal.com/ US book (must read) https://www.finlayson-fife.com

In this episode of the "Biblical Anarchy Podcast," host Jacob Winograd dives deep into the theological discussions surrounding eschatology and covenant theology. He revisits themes from earlier episodes, particularly focusing on how different eschatological views—amillennialism, postmillennialism, and premillennialism—interpret biblical prophecy. Jacob offers a detailed critique of these perspectives, with a special emphasis on Zechariah 14, contrasting a literalist approach with a fulfillment hermeneutic. He argues that a proper understanding of eschatology should integrate with Christology and covenant theology, providing a unified view of God's redemptive plan.Jacob further explores the implications of these theological views for Christian living, highlighting the dangers of both overemphasizing human effort in postmillennialism and neglecting present spiritual realities in premillennialism. He advocates for an amillennial perspective that sees the Kingdom of God as a current, spiritual reign rather than a future, physical dominion. The episode encourages believers to understand and live out their role in God's Kingdom today, aligning their faith with the comprehensive narrative of Scripture.Additional Resources:Check out the episode page for extended show notes and resources HEREThe Biblical Anarchy Podcast is part of the Christians For Liberty Network, a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute. Check out Jacob's other podcast at: daniel318.comAudio Production by Podsworth Media.

Effective Delegation in Insurance: Boost Your Agency's Efficiency! Welcome to the latest episode of the Ridiculously Amazing Insurance Agent Podcast!

Do you always find yourself scrambling to create new sales videos every time HighLevel releases updates?You're not alone. We've been through that, but fortunately, I found a way to avoid constantly revising our demo videos.So, in today's episode, I'll share simple yet super-effective hacks for maintaining effective HighLevel sales videos.Today, we'll discuss the unique strategy of focusing on stable, timeless features within the platform, how to minimize the effort of making sales videos when updates are required, and more.Don't miss out on these game-changing hacks (you'll going to thank me later).Let's dive in!Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)The downside of HighLevel's innovation (00:39)Hack #1: Focus on stable features (01:38)Example of HighLevel's timeless feature (03:02)Hack #2: Check the latest deployed update (04:18)Highlighting stable dashboard features (05:28)Last piece of advice (07:03)Additional Resources:- Check out THE BEST HighLevel Affiliate Deal here- Get a FREE Trial of HighLevel here- Join our Facebook Group here- Subscribe to HL Pro Tools on YouTube here- Check out HighLevel guides and tutorials here–HighLevel Hot Takes is a dedicated podcast for everything HighLevel. From understanding how HighLevel works as a tool to the business side of things, we have it all covered here, one hot take at a time, so that you can move your business forward.Follow us on your favorite podcasting platform so you never miss an episode!

Today, I have a special episode for you! So many of you have been asking me to react to Bryan Johnson's video from a few weeks ago where he injects himself with 300 million stem cells, and I have decided to give the crowd what they wanted.In this week's episode, I'll be reviewing Bryan's video, his process, the type of stem cells he injects, and everything in between.I'll also be discussing the difference between adult bone marrow stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells, why stem cells should be used immediately upon being thawed, the therapeutic efficacy of stem cells and how they work, and more.This episode has been very fun for me to record, so I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.Are you ready?Let's dive in.Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Bone marrow stem cells vs umbilical cord stem cells (01:21)Why is Bryan's body not fixing itself? (10:12)How stem cell treatments are performed (18:30)Stem cell rejection (26:55)What to expect after treatment (29:15)The importance of rest after treatment (35:52)Additional Resources:✨ Check out Bryan's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsVIT_54rMU✨ Learn more about how to live a long and pain-free life: www.drjoykong.com --Dr. Joy Kong is a regenerative medicine and anti-aging expert. Her podcast is part of her mission to reduce suffering and elevate happiness. Join us every week for the latest holistic health insights that will help you live a long and pain-free life.

In this episode, we welcome back Lauren Guy, CEO and founder of ASTERRA, a groundbreaking company using L band and synthetic aperture radar (SAR) for commercial purposes. Lauren shares his journey as a geophysicist and discusses the innovative applications of L band in detecting water leakages, soil moisture, and even minerals from space. Dive deep into the technical, commercial, and environmental aspects of SAR technology and learn about the future potential of this exciting field. **Key Topics Covered:** **Introduction to Astera**:    - Overview of Asterra's mission and Lauren Guy's background as a geophysicist.    - The unique use of L band and SAR for commercial applications.   **Understanding L Band and Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)**:    - Explanation of the electromagnetic spectrum and how L band fits in.    - Advantages of L band, including its ability to penetrate the ground.   **Technical Insights into SAR**:    - Detailed discussion on polarizations, signal processing, and the electrical properties of materials detected by SAR.    - Comparison between L band and other bands like X and C band.   **Applications and Benefits of L Band**:    - Real-world examples of how Astera uses L band for water leak detection and soil moisture mapping.    - Discussion on the environmental and commercial impact of these applications.   **Challenges and Limitations**:    - Addressing issues such as noise interference from cell phones and radars.    - Limitations in resolution and the complexities of SAR technology.   **Case Studies and Success Stories**:    - Success stories including the detection of 118,000 water leakages worldwide and the discovery of significant lithium deposits.   **Business Strategies and Market Penetration**:    - Insights into ASTERRA's business model, customer education, and market challenges.    - Strategies for overcoming barriers and building trust with clients.   **Future Aspirations and Technological Developments**:    - Plans for launching their own satellites to ensure reliable data sources.    - The role of AI in enhancing SAR capabilities and improving detection accuracy.   **Entrepreneurial Advice for Remote Sensing Practitioners**:    - Lauren's advice for remote sensing scientists and entrepreneurs in the industry.    - The importance of data feedback loops and the journey from a 20% to an 86% success rate in detections.   **Guest Information:** - **Lauren Guy**: CTO and founder of ASTERRA. Connect with Lauren on https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-guy-asterra/   **Company Information:** - **ASTERRA**: Learn more about ASTERRA's innovative solutions at https://asterra.io/   **Additional Resources:** - Check out Lauren's previous appearance on the podcast for more insights into SAR technology. - Explore ASTERRA's groundbreaking work in remote sensing and their various applications across different industries.   **Episode Highlights:** - "We can find water leakages from space and distinguish treated water from other types of water based on their dielectric properties." - "ASTERRA has verified, dug, and fixed 118,000 leakages across 65 countries using L band SAR technology." - "Our success rate has increased from 20% to around 86% thanks to the integration of AI and continuous data feedback."   **Support the Show:** - If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review on your favourite podcast platform and share it with your network.   Thank you for tuning in to the MapScaping Podcast!   Recommended Listening  Finding Water Leaks From Space Introduction To Synthetic Aperture Radar-SAR Flood Monitoring From Space ( using SAR)  

Do you feel like your ads are just burning money?Most entrepreneurs, especially those in their early stages, have probably blown up hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars trying to get their brand in front of their audience.However, it's not always that easy.In this week's episode, my buddy Tyler and I jump right into the world of funnel plumbing and explore what to do when your paid ads aren't working.We talk about the four buckets of traffic, two critical reasons why paid ads fail, and what to do when your top-of-funnel ads are failing.Whether you're just starting out in your business or consider yourself an intermediate marketer, this episode offers practical advice on how to turn your ad dollars into actual results.Let's dive in!Key Takeaways:Introduction (00:00)Four types of traffic (00:29)How business growth is tied to visibility (01:53)The importance of audience and message alignment (03:37)Minimum threshold for effective ad testing (06:44)What to do if you're new and ads aren't working (08:04)The dos and don'ts of cold outreach (11:19)How to leverage earned traffic (14:10)Recognizing the lifetime value of customers (15:49)From $0 to $48M (19:32)Final thoughts (21:12)Additional Resources:- Check out the The Farmer Marketer Playbook episode here- Subscribe to my Margin Makers Newsletter here- Learn how to jumpstart your SaaS business for FREE here- Grow your business with Matt here - Connect with Matt on Facebook here- Follow Matt on Instagram here--Marketing with Matt is a podcast dedicated to entrepreneurs and business owners who are looking for more margin in their business through marketing and sales and eventually profit more and work less.

Have you ever heard of fascia? Do you know its role? Don't worry – many people don't even know what the word means.  Fascia is actually a physical tissue connecting our body parts. (‘So what?' I can almost hear you saying this.) Well, what is FASCInating about fascia is that it's also an organ of consciousness that stores our experiences and emotions.  And in this episode I have a special guest who can explain the importance of fascia science for holistic health and spiritual well-being. Joining us is Anna Rahe, a healer, educator, and founder of GST Body.  Anna's journey began with severe health challenges that traditional medicine couldn't solve. But after discovering fascia and years of studying and researching it, she developed a revolutionary approach to healing and dedicated her life to healing herself and helping others. Anna challenges traditional views that the brain is the sole controller of bodily functions. In this interview, she explains why the fascia is a crucial sensory organ that stores experiences and sends messages to the brain. This is not something Anna came up with.  Fascia therapy fits well with ancient practices like Qi Gong and martial arts. This shows how traditional Eastern wisdom and modern science can work together. As Anna (and many other healers) believe, there should be a more balanced approach, rather than relying solely on external medical interventions. Tune in for the full interview as Anna talks about the incredible potential of fascia. She also shares how movement, self-awareness, and holistic practices can unlock the hidden potential within us to heal ourselves and achieve spiritual growth.  Join us! Key Takeaways: Intro (00:00) Who is Anna Rahe (00:32) Anna's health journey begins (01:41) Discovering fascia (03:54) Importance of personal responsibility in healing (05:42) Luke's experience in China (13:17) The role of meditation and movement (18:33) Dealing with trauma (24:46) Emotional maturity and trauma healing (33:24) Importance of self–talk and self–reflection (35:36) How to connect with Anna (48:34) Additional Resources: Check out Anna's websites: 

My interview with Dr. Maz Moshiri was incredibly eye-opening. We dug into his orthodontic journey, his expertise in splint therapy, and the ongoing debate about the role of occlusion in modern orthodontics.One of our key takeaways was the importance of mentorship, both formal and informal.Dr. Moshiri had the incredible opportunity to learn directly from his father, a specialist in TMJ treatment. This hands-on experience instilled in him a deep understanding of occlusion and its implications for orthodontic treatment.Sadly, we agreed that occlusion seems to be a diminishing focus in many orthodontic residencies. While clear aligners offer powerful advantages, understanding the fundamental principles of occlusion is essential to avoid future complications for our patients.We shared our own experiences of visiting other clinicians early in our careers and the invaluable knowledge we gained simply by observing and learning. If you want to learn something new, don't hesitate to reach out and visit other practices. You might be surprised by how much you can learn in just a single day.Tune in to this episode for insights from a true leader in our field. Key TakeawaysIntro (00:00)Dr. Moshiri's extensive background in orthodontics (01:11)Why you need to visit practices (07:47)Role of occlusion on orthodontics (11:33)Integration of splint therapy in treatment (17:17)The impact of wire bending knowledge on modern orthodontic practices (23:35)Purpose and scope of the Aligner Intensive Fellowship (30:47)Advice on dental practice management and transitions (34:48)Additional Resources- Check out the Aligner Intensive Fellowship Program: https://www.alignerfellowship.com/- Register for the OrthoPreneurs Summit at Sea (2024): https://opsummitatsea.com/- For more information, visit: https://orthopreneurs.com/- Join our FREE Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OrthoPreneurs

Justin McMinn shares the story of his company, Mobility of Denver, and their mission to provide affordable wheelchair accessible vehicles to individuals and families in need. McMinn and his partners started the business in 2014, initially selling used trucks and vans before recognizing the substantial demand for lower-priced mobility vehicles. In 2017, they formed a partnership with manufacturer VMI to offer both new and used wheelchair vans at various price points, catering to different budgets.McMinn emphasizes the fulfilling nature of his work, witnessing firsthand the profound impact an accessible vehicle can have on a person's life. He recounts a particularly moving story of assisting a veteran in obtaining a vehicle after months of working through complex financing scenarios, highlighting the emotional significance of the moment when the customer finally received the keys to their new mobility van.Despite the challenges inherent in the industry, such as navigating intricate insurance coverage and securing financing, McMinn sees tremendous potential for entrepreneurs who prioritize a customer-centric approach. He stresses the importance of building strong relationships with clients and dedicating time to find personalized solutions that address each individual's unique needs and financial situation.About the Guest: Justin McMinn is the General Manager of Mobility of Denver, a company he co-founded in 2014 to provide affordable wheelchair accessible vehicles. With a background in the automotive industry and online sales, Justin oversees the dealership's inventory, marketing, finance, and customer experience. Mobility of Denver has doubled sales each year by offering a full range of new and used mobility vehicles to meet varying needs.Key Takeaways:Mobility of Denver was started in 2014 to provide affordable wheelchair accessible vehicles, partnering with manufacturer VMI in 2017 to offer new and used vans.Seeing the real-world impact of providing accessible transportation, like helping a veteran obtain a vehicle after months of financing challenges, is the most rewarding part of the business. While there are industry challenges around insurance and financing, there is great opportunity for entrepreneurs taking a customer-centric approach and working closely with each client to find solutions.Mobility of Denver exemplifies the positive impact a business can have by focusing on an underserved need and keeping the customer at the center of everything they do.Additional Resources:Check out Mobility of DenverExplore the wild world of government surplus at MunicibidLearn more about Government Surplus Vehicles: https://blog.municibid.com/the-government-surplus-vehicle-guide/ Other Episodes You May Enjoy:Dad Turns Fire Truck into Tow Rig for Boating Adventures with Ken and Tatiana JohnsonAmbulance to Work Truck Conversion with Ryan GreeneThe Ultimate Tailgate Vehicle with Eric LahtiGot feedback or want to be a guest? Email us at marketing@municibid.com

Your peace of mind is a sanctuary, a sacred space within you that deserves protection and nurturing. Yet, often, we unwittingly grant permission for external forces to disrupt this tranquility. Whether it's lingering anxieties, toxic relationships, or self-doubt, these intruders feed off the attention we give them, leasing out our head and heart space without our conscious consent. But reclaiming control starts with recognizing that we hold the keys to this sanctuary. We reclaim sovereignty over our mental and emotional landscapes by refusing to grant permission to what disturbs our peace. Instead of allowing negativity to take up residence, we must consciously choose to evict it, making room for healing, growth, and the serenity we deserve. Every thought we entertain, and emotion we harbor is a choice—a lease we grant to nourish or drain our inner peace. When we realize this, we empower ourselves to be discerning landlords of our minds and hearts. It's about renegotiating the terms of engagement with what disrupts our peace, setting boundaries that safeguard our well-being. We reclaim ownership of our inner sanctum by consciously redirecting our attention toward what fosters growth and healing. So, let's be vigilant about what we permit to reside within us, for whatever disturbs our peace does so only with our permission. Let's choose wisely, for in doing so, we reclaim our agency and pave the way for a more harmonious existence. ________________________________ Additional Resources: Check out my bio, current projects, upcoming live events, books, client reviews, and more. Click here: https://linktr.ee/RickWallace21 Work with Dr. Wallace on a 1-on-1 basis: https://thevisioneticsinstitute.com/1-on-1-coaching-1 Order your signed copy of Dr. Wallace's 28th book, Healed & Whole Order now: https://square.link/u/7WMiWZPE #drrickwallace #visionetics #rickwallace #selfempowerment #personalgrowth #lifechanges #healedandwhole --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/rick-wallace3/message

EPISODE 467: Investing with your spouse should never come at the expense of your relationship.  So if you want to invest with your life partner but are wondering how you can navigate marriage and business, then this episode is for you! Investing with your spouse while maintaining a healthy relationship does not have to be difficult, as long as you make sure to avoid the three crucial traps we share with you in this week's minisode of The Real Estate InvestHER Show. Well then, what are you waiting for? Tune in now! Key Takeaways:  Introduction (00:00) Lack of communication (01:04) Overextending finances (04:47) Neglecting quality time (07:50) Additional Resources: ✨ Check out our Couples Household Audit: https://share.hsforms.com/10hcN5kgFSpeOGMj4pspYdQdi2j2 -- ⚡ Join the InvestHER Movement Get your ticket for InvestHER CON 2024: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Join our FREE Facebook group for women in real estate today: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/facebook-community-group Join the InvestHER Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealestateinvesther/ Apply for your STRIVE Membership here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/membership Join our InvestHER Meetups: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/meetups Schedule a discovery call with us: https://mentorship.therealestateinvesther.com/ -- The Real Estate InvestHER Show is a podcast by women for women all over the world who want to learn how to invest in real estate, grow their portfolio, and develop the mindset that allows them to run successful businesses while taking care of their families and – most importantly – taking care of themselves. Follow us for more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, I'm interviewing Nicole Thomas, a Melbourne-based mom and property developer who completed my 20-week Superpower Mastermind program. Nicole shares why she wanted to join my program and her transformative journey of overcoming self-doubt and improving her challenging relationship with her daughter. Tune in to find out more. Key Takeaways: Intro (00:00) Why Nicole joined my program (00:24) Improving the relationship with her daughter (04:49) Nicole's self-doubt in property development (08:42) Shifting from people-pleasing to setting boundaries (13:14) Nicole's future plans (17:25) Additional Resources: ➡️ Check out Nicole's website  ➡️ Connect with Nicole on Instagram  - - -

EPISODE 463: Real estate is inherently a people business, and that means that when the time comes to let go of one of your team members (and believe us, it will come), it can be quite the difficult decision to make. However, if you've set clear expectations and measured performance objectively, then you should be able to make the right decision for you, your team, and your business. The act of firing someone should never rely on your personal feelings. We know this is easier said than done, which is why we're here to help! In this week's minisode of The Real Estate InvestHER Show, we'll be sharing with you five extremely important questions you should ask yourself before deciding to fire someone. The answers to these questions will help you make the right decision in a fair and objective way —free from the cloud of personal bias. Ready to learn more? Then tune in now! Key Takeaways:  Introduction (00:00) Did you provide a clear scope of work? (02:04) Do you have clear KPIs in place? (04:09) Is this person taking ownership of their role? (05:37) Is this person taking from your plate or adding to it? (08:10) Additional Resources: ✨ Check out our episode with Anna Li on how to hire your first assistant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeXwPCgbtz4 -- ⚡ Join the InvestHER Movement Get your ticket for InvestHER CON 2024: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Join our FREE Facebook group for women in real estate today: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/facebook-community-group Join the InvestHER Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealestateinvesther/ Apply for your STRIVE Membership here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/membership Join our InvestHER Meetups: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/meetups Schedule a discovery call with us: https://mentorship.therealestateinvesther.com/ -- The Real Estate InvestHER Show is a podcast by women for women all over the world who want to learn how to invest in real estate, grow their portfolio, and develop the mindset that allows them to run successful businesses while taking care of their families and – most importantly – taking care of themselves. Follow us for more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, I've got a story that's really something else, not only because I'm doing it from the lap of luxury inside a Maybach Mercedes, but also because I talked to Radin Jahromi, a successful entrepreneur in Dubai and Australia whose journey reads like a blockbuster movie script. At just 22, Radin stepped into the real estate world, only to be smacked with some hardcore challenges right off the bat. As soon as he walked into his new job, he was met with hostility and even racism from a boss. But he didn't let that break him. Instead, he used it as motivation to push harder, to prove himself not just to his critics but to himself. That moment literally lit a fire in him! He moved to a competitor not just to stay in the game but to change it. Within his first few months at a new company, he sold not 10, not 20, but 34 houses in just three months. While the top dogs were proud of selling five houses a month, Radin was out there making it look easy. He ended up with $186,000 in commissions waiting for him, money he hadn't even realized was piling up. He really proved his point and turned one bad experience into one of his biggest victories. And he had many more after that. If you tune in for this week's interview, you're going to hear Radin's own words about how he turned every "no" into a "yes," every setback into a setup for success. He also shared many more golden nuggets as he talked about the power of visualization, self-love, overcoming insecurities, why money isn't the indicator of true success… Trust me, it's a story for the ages. Join us! Key Takeaways: Intro (00:00) Radin's background (00:47) Trauma as a motivator for success (01:44) Overcoming racial discrimination (02:32) The role of visualization in achieving goals (07:09) The importance of accepting insecurities (19:33) The impact of childhood experiences (30:21) Future aspirations and understanding destiny (38:26) Recap (42:13) Additional Resources:

EPISODE 447: As women entrepreneurs and real estate investors, dealing with stress can be a day-to-day occurrence for us. However, that is not how things are supposed to be, no matter what hustle-culture influencers try to tell you. You might think you'd have to sacrifice something big for a better work-life balance, but we're here to tell you that taking care of yourself and your mental health while also staying on top of your life and business (and everything in between) is possible. So you don't have to deal with stress and anxiety and you don't have to keep burning the candle at both ends just because you don't want to sacrifice progress in your life and business. Instead, you can follow the three steps we share with you in this minisode of The Real Estate InvestHER Show! Are you ready to let go of stress and say yes to self-care? Then tune in now. Key Takeaways:  Introduction (00:00) The importance of mindful micro-breaks (01:28) Prioritize your boundaries (06:30) Don't let ‘great' get in the way of ‘good' (08:41) Additional Resources: Check out our episode with Terri Cole here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/blog/ep-358-why-boundaries-are-a-must-for-overachievers-with-terri-cole Get Terri Cole's book, Boundary Boss, here: https://boundarybossbook.com/ -- ⚡ Join the InvestHER Movement Secure your spot at the in-person event in February in Austin, TX: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/events Get your ticket for InvestHER CON 2024: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Join the InvestHER Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealestateinvesther/ Apply for your STRIVE Membership here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/membership Join our InvestHER Meetups: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Schedule a discovery call with us: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investherorg -- The Real Estate InvestHER Show is a podcast by women for women all over the world who want to learn how to invest in real estate, grow their portfolio, and develop the mindset that allows them to run successful businesses while taking care of their families and – most importantly – taking care of themselves. Follow us for more Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Weekly Star Forecast: 1-8-24 to 1-12-24Good fortune and success are masked by confusion and low energy, especially on Tuesday.  Highlights: ·      Star energies for the week·      Things to avoid·      3 tips for successSuccess is here. It's written in the stars. Don't miss out. Additional Resources:·      Check out my Rich and Powerful Leaders Academy at: https://www.kimwoods.com/richandpowerfulleaders/·      For the entire January forecast, listen to episode #10 – Illuminate Your Future. ·      Don't know your Intuitive Success Signature? Take the 12-question quiz to find out how you're living your destined stars through my success-making methodology, Do You Know, Like and Trust Yourself ® at: https://www.kimwoods.com/yourstarmaptosuccess/  Listen, rate, and subscribe!

Finding a neurodivergent affirmative therapist is important for individuals who are Autistic, have ADHD, or have another diagnosis. However, it isn't always easy to connect with a therapist who is willing to explore their client's special interests, even though it can help them feel more comfortable and relaxed during therapy sessions. There are some therapists out there who shy away from or just don't understand neurodivergent minds and thinking, despite what claims may be on their profiles, which can make finding the right therapist a challenge. But neurodivergent affirmative therapists are out there. You just need to know what to look for. If you are looking for a neurodivergent affirmative therapist and aren't sure where to start, then this episode is for you. Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode: Learn how and where to find a neurodivergent affirmative therapist who can support your unique needs. Identify what to look for and expect in a neurodivergent affirmative therapist and what therapy modalities are generally most helpful for autistic and ADHD individuals. Identify some common misconceptions about what kind of therapy works best for neurodivergent folks, as well as hear about Megan and Patrick's personal experiences. Remember, finding a neurodivergent affirmative therapist can be a challenge, but with the right tools and information, it's absolutely achievable. Keep advocating for yourself, and know that healing and overcoming shame and stigma related to seeking therapy is a testament to your strength and resilience. Additional Resources: Check out these resources on Megan's website: neurodivergentinsights.com/resources

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EPISODE 437: In last week's episode, we discussed how you can realign your real estate investment strategy when buying is NOT an option. This week, we continue on with the second part of that minisode to discuss something else: What you do have control over in these uncertain times. Join us as we discuss how to stabilize your current assets, optimize your portfolio, and set yourself up for success for when an opportunity actually shows up. We'll also be sharing with you how you can increase your cash flow, decrease your expenses, and the importance of always having an exit strategy.  Are you ready to learn more? Then tune in now! Key Takeaways:  Introduction (00:00) What does stabilization look like? (01:52) What to do when the right property comes (09:01) Additional Resources: Check out our FREE events: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/events -- ⚡ Join the InvestHER Movement Secure your spot at the in-person event in February in Austin, TX: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/events Get your ticket for InvestHER CON 2024: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Join the InvestHER Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealestateinvesther/ Apply for your STRIVE Membership here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/membership Join our InvestHER Meetups: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Schedule a discovery call with us: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investherorg -- The Real Estate InvestHER Show is a podcast by women for women all over the world who want to learn how to invest in real estate, grow their portfolio, and develop the mindset that allows them to run successful businesses while taking care of their families and – most importantly – taking care of themselves. Follow us for more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's been a while since we've had a guest on the podcast, but today, I'm thrilled to introduce someone truly extraordinary. Joining us is Joel Brown, a successful coach and founder of  'Addicted to Success.'  Picture this: Joel and his wife, full of excitement, counting down the days to meet their little girl. But life, in its unpredictable way, threw them a curveball. Two weeks before her arrival, they faced an unimaginable loss. In this week's episode, Joel shares this deeply personal story. It's a story that's not just about the pain of loss but also a powerful tale of love, faith, the unbreakable human spirit, and the power of not giving in to despair. He talks about how his faith was a pillar of support during these tough times. And his openness about grief and healing offers hope and inspiration.  If you've ever been in a tough spot or faced a loss that shook your world, you'll find a kindred spirit in Joel's story.  So, join us for this interview with Joel, and you'll discover the incredible strength that lies within us all, even in our toughest moments. Let's dive in! Key Takeaways: Intro (00:00) Joel's coaching philosophy (00:40) From sales to ‘Addicted to Success' (02:04) Importance of action in coaching (05:48) Transitioning from blogging to coaching (10:19) Overcoming bullying and finding strength in faith (15:49) Journey of grief and resilience (33:22) Role of faith in personal growth (44:28) Coping with personal loss (53:47) Future aspirations and closing thoughts (59:22) Additional Resources: ➡️ Check out Joel's website: https://addicted2success.com/ ➡️ Reach out to Joel on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamjoelbrown/ ➡️ Work with Joel: https://www.influentialcoach.com/ - - - ➡️ Live Event Sydney 4th Jan 2024 “Unlock Your Greatness Conference”  - - -  ➡️ Subscribe to Sunshine Amberzena – Click here for Amber jewelry and fashion accessories live auctions on YouTube - - -  

Do you ever find yourself in a state of paralyzing burnout that can happen even when you're doing activities that you enjoy? Have you ever taken a vacation to fight the fatigue of life only to find that your post-vacation burnout-recovery state is reversed sooner and more severely than others? Do you wonder how you can reduce your burnout in a way that works and actually lasts? Then this episode is for you. Top 3 reasons to listen to this episode: Understand what autistic burnout looks like and how it differs from the burnout that might be experienced from things like work. Identify ways to provide self-care when you are experiencing autistic burnout, as well as how to incorporate sensory soothers. Learn how autistic burnout and ADHD can affect each other. Autistic burnout can be a very tiring and frustrating experience. It can have a significant impact on your productivity, relationships, and overall quality of life. Therefore, it is important to understand what it is, how it affects you, and how to deal with it effectively. By doing so, you can preserve your energy and improve your quality of life. To cope with autistic burnout, it is crucial to identify the activities or practices that help you recharge and calm your senses. By incorporating these practices into your daily routine, you can manage your energy levels and reduce the likelihood of burnout. Additional Resources: Check out Dora M. Raymaker's study on autistic burnout: “Having All of Your Internal Resources Exhausted Beyond Measure and Being Left with No Clean-Up Crew: Defining Autistic Burnout."  Megan's Resources for Autism and Burnout:  How to Spot Autistic Burnout: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autistic-burnout-symptoms What Causes Autistic Burnout: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/what-causes-autistic-burnout Autistic Burnout Recovery: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/autistic-burnout-recovery Autistic Burnout Workbook:  https://neurodivergentinsights.com/neurodivergentstore/p/autistic-burnout-guide-and-worksheets   Transcript PATRICK CASALE: Hey everyone, you are listening to another episode of Divergent Conversations podcast. I'm your co-host, Patrick Casale. MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff. PATRICK CASALE: And we are going to talk about autistic burnout today, because Megan and I are both in it MEGAN NEFF: This will make for an interesting conversation [CROSSTALK 00:00:22]. PATRICK CASALE: All these conversations are and we're going to look at each other and say, "Did that feel too fucking dark again?" But in reality, I think, that's the purpose here. So, I'm in it for sure. And, you know, Megan, I'm always going to defer to you when we're talking clinically, because I think you're by far the expert when it comes to all the research that you do and all the effort that you put in. So, what is autistic burnout for all of our listeners who may not really have a good grasp of that? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, no, that's a great question. And we should definitely add a link to this in the notes. I think her first name is Dana Ashlie? So, I think, I actually don't know her pronouns. So, I shouldn't assume her. But Dana Raymaker. They did a fantastic article that is the first to clinically define and research autistic burnout. It's a qualitative study. For people who don't know what that is, I really like qualitative studies, because it stays with people's stories.  So, they interviewed like 19 autistic people. 10 of them were women, which is rare for an autistic study, foreword genderqueer or gender, not in the binary, which is, again, fantastic for a study on autism. And then, I think there were like six or seven men.  So, first of all, I love a study that's representing autism from a more diverse lens, gender-speaking. And they found some themes, I realize I'm doing the very autistic, like, [INDISCERNIBLE 00:02:07] like, here's the design of the study, here's the people versus just like, what is autistic burnout? Okay, I'm zooming back out. PATRICK CASALE: It's cool, you're fun. MEGAN NEFF: So, okay, fantastic study, people should read it and there's a lot of kind of versions of it that I think it's a more accessible read than some peer-reviewed studies. So, they interviewed folks and listened for themes. That's how you do qualitative study, you listen for themes and you pull those out. Their definition of autistic burnout is, it's defined by three features, chronic exhaustion, this is emotional, this is physical, this is all the domains of exhaustion that are possible. It is a loss of skills. So, particularly, executive functioning skills, speaking skills. I know for me that is a big one, my ability to speak coherently or speak at all is really impacted by burnout. And then sensory sensitivities increase during burnout.  So, those are the three core features. They define it as three months or longer. Honestly, I think just when you're defining anything clinically you have to kind of put a timeframe around it. But I'm curious about that three months mark, why that's there. And they show how it really is distinct from like, you know, culture talks a lot about occupational burnout, that this really is distinct from that. It's also distinct from depression. Now, it often leads to depression, but it is distinct from depression.  I think this is such an important thing for mental health therapists to understand, because this is one of the leading pathways to suicidality for autistic people. And mental health therapists often don't understand burnout. They think it's depression, they treat it like depression, but it needs a different support, different treatment.  It's also more common among high maskers. They identified that masking was one of the huge factors contributing, which makes so much sense to me. So, I think this really sets people up to be misunderstood by their therapist, if their therapist not aware of high masking autism, not aware of suicidality. Okay, I'll stop there, because I've done a bit of a little info. But yeah, that's the clinical definition of autistic burnout. PATRICK CASALE: I love this, because this is Megan and my process where we're obviously processing information very differently, and then, relaying it very differently, too.  And I think it's important to have your info dumps and your perspectives, because people need to know that component too, right? Like, this is the definition, this is, clinically speaking, what this looks like. And I think so often we're you using the term burnout in society in general, right? And you mentioned it was more related, workforce-related. Like, hey, yeah, we get it, work is stressful, and it's hard, and you're overworked and underpaid, and all the things that come with it, and then that leads to burnout. But this is different. And I think main component that you mentioned really set that apart.  And, I mean, we can go layer upon layer here, where it's like, what about autistic people in the workplace experiencing both like workplace burnout, autism burnout, etc. But in reality, like, it gets missed a lot. And clinically speaking, for sure, but also in friend groups and society in general. Like, the general advice around burnout is like, take a break, and like, go on vacation, or like, take a week off from work, and you'll be okay. And that is not what we're talking about here. I mean, even in that situation, a week off doesn't do it justice, but like… MEGAN NEFF: Right, right? Because then we're returning to the life that's burning us out. And that's what's different about, you know, allistic person, or neurotypical person who's experiencing burnout. They often can go through a recovery period, and then, like, bounce back. But for the autistic person, like, what I see a lot, what I've experienced a lot into the last two years when I deeply restructured my life it's like burnout, go back to my normal, but then I burnout again, because it was the normal life that was burning me out.  And so, that kind of bounced back and forth between burnout, like somewhat functional burnout, functional burnout, functional… And so, there isn't that idea of like bouncing back to some idea of normal. Often, it's not the case when we're talking about autistic burnout. PATRICK CASALE: I love that you made that distinction, because that's an important one here. And for the autistic person who's experiencing autistic burnout, when you said a minimum of three months, right? I know we're talking clinically speaking, this could be going on for years, this could be going on for- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: …lifetimes.  MEGAN NEFF: Totally, totally.  PATRICK CASALE: You and I DM each other on Instagram a lot, like, and I did it before we started recording and I wish we were recording. I'm glad you kind of pointed that out. I asked you like, "Hey, how are you doing today?" And that's such a like conditioned question. You know, like, I'm supposed to introduce that way. And you were like, "I don't know. Like, I'm kind of here." Right? Like… MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I do wish we were recording that moment of… And then, I think I told you. "No, that's a terrible question." Which is funny. That's actually how I respond to that question now. I mean, with you, I'm obviously really comfortable and will be like, "Yoh, that's a terrible question. Why you're asking me that neurotypical…." But with people who maybe aren't as an autistic culture, I will ask them to clarify like, what part of my life are you asking about? Because it's such a complex, like, what bucket in my life are we talking about when you ask me that? PATRICK CASALE: One, I love that. We are comfortable enough to just name it in our interaction. And two, I think that's such a good fucking point.  And I was talking to a caller yesterday about like, fluffing up emails of like, I kind of get straight to the point, you know, ask you what I need to ask you, or give you the information that you need, or whatever, and just be done with it. But then I always find myself, like, inserting a smiley face, or a lol, or like punctuation mark to emphasize my point, or like going back and copying and pasting, like, "Hey, how are you today, I hope all is well." Then jumping into the point that I actually want to make, and even operating from that neurotypical lens and expectation of communication leads to burnout, because that [CROSSTALK 00:09:09]- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: …energy to constantly think about how you are responding to things and how you're being received. MEGAN NEFF: Yep, yep, it takes that extra step of, I do the same thing. I read an email, and then I go back, and I like I warm it up. It's like, okay, I need to, like, have some sort of intro. And, oh, I shouldn't just say the thing. So, yeah, that whole extra step. And it is, it's prefrontal cortex work every time we're doing that. We do it in email, we do in conversation. So, all of these things that are happening on a more intuitive level for other people that we do when we mask, you know, that's all that prefrontal cortex, which is part of why it makes so much sense to me that masking is such a significant factor when it comes to burnout. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, just think about how much energy is being spent all the time. And then, how much is being absorbed all the time? And the differentiation there between like, once you start to get into that burnout place where you mentioned, a lot of it is sensory and overstimulation.  I'll give you an example. I was hosting a retreat that I was running a couple of weeks ago in New Orleans, and you know, I'm recovering from surgery, my energy is low, my capacity is low, my distress tolerance is already low. It hit me in a moment where I was sitting in the room with 20 people, they're all socializing, they're all having fun, but I'm picking up on like every word that everyone is saying. It's starting to get louder. And then, every noise is starting to like become more and more irritating. And the temperature is getting really hot. And I'm starting to find myself like stemming and like, needing the need to just regulate myself.  And I just realized in that moment, like, you're burnt out already, and you haven't even started what you're embarking upon this year. And combined surgery recovery with, you know, the autistic burnout piece of just the realization of when you're in that moment your distress tolerance skills kind of dissipate. Like, your executive functioning, like you mentioned, just starts to crumble.  And that was the first time for me, and I'm going to be really vulnerable here and honest, for our listeners, like, where I realized, I am so much closer to feeling that I am disabled or unable to function. And that world that sees me does not see it, because of how much energy and effort goes into doing whatever I'm doing.  And I had this major fucking grief moment and that moment where I was like, not only am I recognizing this, but I also realized like, I've created this thing in my business that am I really not capable of actually doing? That was really hard to try to process in that moment. MEGAN NEFF: It sounds like such a claustrophobic moment when you describe, like being in that moment, seeing what you had to do in front of you. And then, like the limits you are encountering in your body? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, it was hard. And you were one of the first people I thought about messaging that to, because I was like, "I need to talk to someone about this who kind of understands what I'm talking about." MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: It's just such a challenge in that moment. And all you want to do is like retreat, and turn off the world, and disappear from it. And I know that that is a way to sensory soothe, too, but when you're expected to be participating, or involved, or hosting, or coaching, or whatever the responsibility is, it becomes too much. MEGAN NEFF: I know for me in those moments there's a narrative that kicks in, I should be able to push through, what is wrong with me that I can't push through? Was that part of it, too? PATRICK CASALE: Oh, absolutely. It was like, that was coming up, "You're letting your co-host and business partner down, because you're not pulling your weight. Why can't you just do the thing that you've done before? Clearly, something is wrong with you." And, "You're not able to do this thing." I like having fucking limitations placed upon what I can do. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, my gosh, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's something I've thought so much about the last two or three years, is the limits and how that is for me, claustrophobic, that is the word for it. I feel claustrophobic when I encounter the limits in my body.  And they feel like they shouldn't be there. Like, even when I am, like my head knows, right? Like, the social disability model. And autism is a disability, and, like, I know these things, but in those moments, like, my felt experience is still, there's something wrong with you that you can't push through. And I'm not attributing it to being disabled. I'm not attributing it to being autistic, because it's been so baked into me my whole life that you should be able to do what others can do, you should be able to push through. Why are you making this so hard? It's in your head. Like, all those narratives are still baked into my body. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. When that's coming up for you, I mean, how are you managing that? How are you kind of getting through those moments, because they can be so painful too and so debilitating? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I mean, so I'll answer two ways. On one level, I think I've restructured my life to reduce those moments, right? It's interesting sometimes when I disclose this to people, people seem surprised. And I realize like, "Oh yeah, if you encountered me digitally you might not realize this." Like, I rarely leave my house. I mean, I'll go on walks. But I rarely see people, I rarely interact with people in body form, I rarely commit to things where I know I might encounter that claustrophobic, like, I've got a pretty fierce-like autonomy demand avoidance streak going on.  So, one, I've structured my life, I think, to avoid those moments. Last year, I was adjunct teaching at a university leading like a clinical team once a week. And it was three hours, eight students, but I'd come home exhausted, and be so exhausted the next day. And I stopped doing that this year. So, that'd be an example of I have restructured my life to avoid those painful moments.  And then, what do I do when I am encountering those moments? Like, I'm very meta in how I talk to myself. So, I'll talk myself through it of like, I'll identify the scripts that are playing, and I'll remind myself of the scripts I know that are true, but that I don't yet, like they're not living in my body yet. So, I'll do a lot of that kind of mindful naming of scripts in the way I talk to myself and remind myself. And then, I'll check in of like, what do I need? And I'm typically able to get myself some version of what I need. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I love that answer. And, you know, I think the ability to restructure is wonderful. And I also think that for us, we've talked about this before, it's also a privilege that we have [CROSSTALK 00:16:57]. MEGAN NEFF: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: And I start thinking about, like, what if you don't have the ability to restructure and really be mindful of how your days are laid out and who you're interacting with, and when, and having control and autonomy over your situation like that? MEGAN NEFF: I'm so glad you brought the privilege piece up, because I think this is such an integral part of the autistic burnout pieces, is I'm very aware, I've been able to restructure my life because of all of my privileges.  When I started my business, at that point, we were dependent on my spouse's income. So, there's economic privilege. I have a doctorate. So, there's a lot of education that gives me a lot of mobility in the professional space.  So, I feel that when I work with clients in burnout, you know, whether they're in middle of graduate school, or due to socio-economic barriers, or name any of the barriers, cannot restructure their life, I think that's when I as a therapist feel the most stuck of like, there are systemic issues here, there are like neurobiological vulnerabilities here, there's very little I can say. Like, yes, we can talk about their sensory profile and we can talk about how to recover. But at the end of the day, there's these very real systemic blocks that we're running into that I have no control of and that feels claustrophobic. That's like my word of the day, apparently. I feel very stuck when I'm in that place with clients. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. That's a great point, because there's nothing as the therapist that you can do to change that situation or their experiences, or responsibilities, even. And it's so challenging, because the system is not designed for folks who can't fit into that neurotypical model, especially, in the workforce. It's just, 99% of it just doesn't feel well-suited or set up with our needs in mind. MEGAN NEFF: And then, also, thinking about kind of supports for disabled people of like, when someone… when they're functioning, there's issues with that word, but it… Okay, when they're functioning [CROSSTALK 00:19:34]. Yeah, when their function ebbs and flows, like, we don't really have societal support for people like that. I think, individually, we don't know what to do with ourselves when we're someone who's, you know, I can go from, like, speaking on a stage to be non-speaking and laying flat on the couch the next day. Like, there's not really a template for folks of us who have such a range, because there's so many spikes, and there's so many valleys, and yeah, there's not great supports built-in, we have to kind of figure them out ourselves. Which again, if you have privilege, you're able to do that. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah. And I think that's the paradox here, right? Is like, but even with that being said, to share from our own experiences of recognizing our privilege, but also recognizing that we are currently stuck or feeling like we're in our own versions of our own autistic burnout of, we still have responsibilities to take care of, right? Like, I know, you have your kiddos, I have two businesses to run, those responsibilities don't go away. And that means that I have to get really laser-focused, and really intentional about what I'm saying yes to, and what I'm not responding to.  And for the people pleasers and us, like myself, who I feel like I'm a recovering people pleaser, I feel like shutting off the world, there's this almost push pole guilt feeling of like not responding to people. And it feels good to have people in your life where you can just tell them very honestly, like, "I can't do this right now, this is all I'm capable of doing." And for me, that typically looks like turning all the lights off and laying in bed, watching something that's mindless over, and over, and over again, and not able to do anything else. But there's a cost there too, with like, partnerships, and communication, and just connection. But that's really all I can do. And coming back from New Orleans, I laid in bed for almost a week and a half. Like, if I wasn't doing one or two things a day that I had built in, that was all I could do. MEGAN NEFF: So, I'm having a new thought listening to you talk and like the picture of you in a room, lights off, week and a half, and knowing you, knowing that like, yes, Game of Thrones like is enlivening for you, but also knowing that you do thrive on relationship and connection.  Okay, so here's the thought I'm having. What if the recovery from autistic burnout is depressing, like in the sense of like, isolation, darkness? Like, what a brutal Catch-22 if what we need for our bodies to recover are also things that disconnect us and like, slow our bodies down to a degree that we're then losing connection with the things that give our life meaning and joy. And yeah, I don't know. Yeah, like, can I ask how are you faring after a week and a half of like dark room recovery? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, one, I think that's a wonderful point that you just pointed out, like, you're spot on. The things that we need may also be the things that do lead to that depressive state. So, it is that Catch-22.  And you and I are both ADHD. The ADHD parts of me are like, "This is fucking terrible. Like, laying here, doing nothing, not creating, not feeling energized, like not feeling like there's a spark or something to get excited about." And the autistic part wins every time, because it's like, waving the white flag, right? Of like, I can't. Like, I can't do more than I can do right now.  But to answer your question, how am I doing now? I still feel it and I can't connect the dots between what is still recovery from surgery and what is also this autistic burnout piece. I think that they're both kind of intensifying the other. Does that make sense? Like- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, absolutely. PATRICK CASALE: I just feel like if I'm typically running on like at 100% right now I feel like I'm at like 20%. So, it's pretty depleted. And then, the question becomes like, how do you replenish that to even get to a place where you can at least get through the day and the tasks that you've created for yourself? I think that's a Catch-22 of being an autistic entrepreneur, because, in New Orleans, I was saying thinking, "Okay, you're going to Costa Rica to speak at a conference." Which I actually backed out of today and I feel very proud of myself for doing, "And then you're hosting a retreat in Ireland." And I just kept thinking, "I can't do this stuff. Like, this is my world right now." And that's why I think the next month going into February, you know, I don't know when we're going to publish this episode, just for frame of reference, like, I'm going to be doing very little until I leave to go to Ireland in March because I want to conserve and like, regenerate, and replenish as much energy as I can. But here's the Catch-22 to that Megan, Ireland will then take all of it and more. So, you're playing this catch up game all the fucking time of like, how do I replenish? How do I recharge if I'm constantly depleting? MEGAN NEFF: I wonder if, not necessarily better, but an alternative term for demand avoidance would be like energy scarcity mindset of, like demand avoidance is so logical, based on what you're just describing of you have to store up energy for six weeks to go do a 10-day thing and then you have to recover from it. Yeah, energy scarcity mode. Can we make that a thing? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think we could definitely make that a thing. I think we can do an episode on that. I mean, I think you're so right, because the demand avoidance, like you said, is very logical. When you lay it all out [INDISCERNIBLE 00:26:31]. Of course, I'm going to avoid doing this. But in reality, it's like, I'm just so aware of how much energy it is going to take and how much I'm going to be depleted, that you have to go into that scarcity mode of like, I can't give it anywhere else, because there's nowhere else to give it or to receive it. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking of, like, when I get an alert on my, you know, iPhone, or like, Apple Watch of like, you have low battery, would you like to go into low power mode? Where it's like, okay, all of the things that are draining power, we're going to turn it off. It's kind of like living in low-power mode. And then when that becomes your life, I think it's hard to not be depressed. PATRICK CASALE: Yep, because that's really when you're in that mode, where, okay, you turn it all off, right? And you recognize that you're there or you're very aware of what's going on. But then you can't say yes to the things that do bring you satisfaction and joy, because you're depressed, and you feel rundown, and you feel antisocial. Like, I feel like I don't want to interact with people. And that's a good indicator for someone like myself to acknowledge like, this is where I'm at, because I thrive on the connection that I have. And for me to want to avoid that at all costs is usually a very good indication of like, okay, we've arrived here, and this is where we're at. MEGAN NEFF: I love that you have a litmus test of like, this is my gauge of I know kind of where my power mode's at. For you, it's kind of how you respond to connections. For me, it's how I respond to ideas or books. And this was before I realized I was autistic. I've always been an avid reader. I love philosophy. I love kind of existential deep books and reading, and playing with ideas. When I can't pick up a book it's like, "Oh, my goodness, what is wrong with me?" And partly because I've had so much chronic fatigue, I could pretty much always sit on the couch and read a book.  But those moments in my life where I couldn't pick up a book, I couldn't listen to a podcast that had ideas, I couldn't take in any new ideas, that was my litmus test. Pronunciation is a hard thing for me. You'll realize that by doing a podcast with me. I'm speaking make up words all the time. But yeah, so I think it's really helpful for people when they know what their litmus test, however you say that word is of, oh, this is a sign, I'm entering low power mode, I'm entering burnout. PATRICK CASALE: I love that you just named that. Are you in that mode right now where books and new ideas are just [INDISCERNIBLE 00:29:21]. MEGAN NEFF: So, I actually can't tell. I was thinking about that as we started like, okay, am I in autistic burnout, or is this like winter chronic fatigue? And I think I've had chronic fatigue, essentially, since I had kids. So, it's hard for me to tease out what is burnout, what is chronic fatigue.  You know, I make a workbook a month, which is a lot of work, but I've been able, right now I'm working on one about just how we relate to our thoughts and cognitions, and I've been able to really enjoy learning about some of these concepts and reworking them to the fact that I'm able to enjoy parts of it. To me, I'm like, okay, I'm not at completely, like, burnout mode. But other areas of my life are definitely, I can tell I'm in burnout mode. So, I would say, I'm like, yeah, 50%. If you're at 20%, I would say I'm at 50%, because I still have things that can spark my curiosity. When I'm in deep burnout nothing sparks my curiosity. PATRICK CASALE: And I think that's the exact point right there, that's it. You just nailed it. Something can spark your curiosity, but if it can't that is a great indication that that is where you are, that you are in autistic burnout.  And I want all of you listening to think about what are the things that spark your curiosity? What are the things that you feel really, like, energized by and passionate about, interested in? If nothing is coming to mind right now, if you're feeling any of the things that Megan and I are talking about, could be a very good indication that that's where you're at, as well.  And I think one thing that we're not touching on and that's important to name too, is I think, when you are in autistic burnout substance use is going to ramp up, drastically.  MEGAN NEFF: Absolutely, absolutely. PATRICK CASALE: And I noticed that for me that I was out of a fucking retreat in New Orleans, which is a city of debauchery and surrounded by 20 people that I had to be on for the entire time, so alcohol is my best friend at that moment, because I was messaging you about that of like, the socializing piece, the dropping into the, "Socially [CROSSTALK 00:31:37]" Right? Of being able to interact with people, to be able. To have some semblance of small talk alcohol has to be the lubricant for me. And acknowledging that is the realization of like, you have to pay attention to that for yourselves, for any of you who are listening, like, whatever the substance of choice or process of choice is, because it can get dangerous very quickly, and it can get out of hand very, very quickly, too. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, this is interesting. This isn't something I've talked too much about. I hope to talk more about, because I think it's a really important part of being neurodivergent, of burnout. But I have struggled with disordered relationship to alcohol in the past, and particularly, around burnout.  So, it's interesting. I'm curious about… there's something I've noticed. So, my spouse and I respond really different to alcohol. For me, it energizes me. For them, he's like ready to go to sleep after a glass or two of wine, or beer, or whatever it is. I noticed among autistic people and this is totally anecdotal, I noticed that it tends to be more energizing for them, which I'm really curious about.  So, for me, I often used it to energize and as like liquid dopamine. So, if I had papers to grade or some tedious task, and I was in burnout, then I'd be like, "Oh, well, I'll pair it with some wine tonight." And that became… like, because I could not mobilize. And it was before I knew about ADHD and autism, so I had no like medication support around dopamine and stimulants.  So, I think whether it's socializing, because it takes a sensory edge off, and it makes socializing easier, or whether it's to try and motivate us, or because it gives us this kind of faux sense of regulation and energy, I think there's so many reasons we're really vulnerable to, particularly, I would say alcohol during burn out. PATRICK CASALE: I agree 100% and with everything you just said, including the energizing component. And you know, there's such a cost to it too, because you don't sleep well, and then you throw in alcohol into the mix. And I mean, it's just so challenging.  So, really trying to, you know, figure out, for our listeners, too, you do a great job, Megan, I want to highlight this of like, really posting valuable, tangible content where you can put it into motion immediately and start putting it into place. And you talk about sensory soothing a lot, and you talk about skills and techniques to kind of manage burnout when you're in it. And I'm just curious about things that our listeners who may not be mental health professionals and have access to the things that we do, that they can do when they're experiencing some of this stuff. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I've got cascading thoughts happening. So, on one, I think, identifying those self-soothers that are like faux self-soothers. Like, they're self-soothing in the moment, but they're actually making your burnout worse. So, things like alcohol use or other substance use. I would think identifying those and really targeting those things, because those create a cycle, a loop that then perpetuate the burnout.  And I think for a lot of people working with a medical provider or mental health therapist when they're targeting those self-soothers that are actually in the long run causing more harm, it can be really helpful to work with someone around those things.  And then, yeah, I talk about sensory detox a lot, sensory soothing. You have to have some interoceptive awareness to be able to identify when you're sensory overloaded and then soothe yourself. So, sometimes you have to actually go back a few steps and kind of work on interoceptive awareness, which there's some kind of simple mindfulness. That sounds like a big thing, work on interoceptive awareness, but there's simple mindfulness things. Like, I have a smoothie right here, I can grab my smoothie, I can focus on the sensation of the coldness on my hand and what that feels like, I can do that for 10 seconds while I drink my morning smoothie. And by mindfully attending to the sensory experience, putting my smoothie down, noticing the difference in my hand, that's interoceptive awareness builder right there. And it's not an extra I have to do in my day, it's when I'm grabbing my coffee or my smoothie.  Wow, I'm like diverging all over the place, so interceptive awareness, sensory soothers, like using all the kinds of sensory accommodations that can be helpful, and it often, I think, takes a lot of experimenting, especially, for later in life diagnosed people and high maskers who maybe are so disassociated from the body by the time they get to diagnosis or identification. It takes a lot of experimenting to figure out what is soothing for my body? What does my body, like? What doesn't it like?  So, giving yourself a lot of kind of play space to figure that out. Rest, there's lots and lots of rest, dropping demands, and those can be small. Like, sometimes we think, "Well, I can't leave my job." Or "I can't, you know, walk away from my business."  For our family, there's some demands that can always be dropped, for example, family dinner. If someone is having an overloading day they can eat in their room, they can eat in a quiet space. That's an example of a more simple demand drop or maybe not showering that day. Like, there can be these more simple demand drops. But I think thinking through where can I drop demands.  And spending less time masking. So, figuring out who are the safe people to be around who I don't have to mask as much. Are there things I can say no to? To say no is huge, just like working on boundaries. And then that gets into people pleasing.  And, again, working with a therapist, I think around why I say no hard can be really helpful. I just spewed off a random list. There's more and I think I have a few blog posts that talk about recovery tips, we can link to that. You're going to get a more linear version of me when I write versus when I talk. PATRICK CASALE: I like to get both versions because both are unbelievably helpful. And I just learned a new word today from you. So, interoceptive, I did not know that term. So, here we are.  But these are great tips. And I think you're so spot on when it's like different things are going to work for different people. And it's so easy to say like, here's a list of 10 things to try things out. You know, for me, I always need to take hot showers, and like I've always been obsessed with them. MEGAN NEFF: Me too. PATRICK CASALE: And I never realized why I take two showers a day. But now I have a very good understanding and just doing those types of things have been really helpful. And, again, hitting home on having a neurodivergent affirmative therapist really important. If you're, you know, struggling and you're autistic, if you're ADHD, if you have any form of neurodiversity. Like, having good therapy is so crucial.  And yeah, being able to unmask, like Megan said, so when you go on a podcast with your friend, and you know each other you don't start with the conversation with, "Hey, how are you doing today?" Knowing that Megan is going to say, "Oh, that's a really bad question." But those are the things, right? That we were talking about, the little things that build up. So, if you can remove these little things from your day-to-day, like the energy it takes to revisit your emails, the energy it takes to communicate with your friends or your loved ones, it's really helpful, because it's just that one extra fucking thing that you don't have to do, or you don't have to worry about, or you don't have to put your energy into. And I think it's so hard when everything takes that extra little bit of energy, MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely. PATRICK CASALE: Well, this has been a really great conversation about a topic that I think is, obviously, near and dear to our hearts and that we know a lot of you are experiencing in the moment or have experienced. And I hope that this has been helpful. And we're going to continue to have conversations about these topics that a lot of people are just not having. And I think that getting this perspective is really great.  So yeah, I don't have anything else to add today. I think I'm hitting my limit. So, I'm going to be honest about that on air. And, yeah, I think that's where I'm at. MEGAN NEFF: I love that. And that's perhaps the best you asked about, like, what can people do to help with burnout? I think that's actually probably one of the best things is to recognize when we're at our limit and honor it. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. I've gotten used to now post-surgery two things a day. And my schedule is my limit. And that used to be really hard. And it's getting to be a welcomed part of my week where I can say like, all right, I get to talk with Megan for my second thing of the day, and then I'm done.  But yeah, I think for any of you listening, all this information will be in the show notes, too. All the links to the blogs Megan's talking about, and the articles. And I just hope that this has been helpful for everyone, too. We still don't know how to close this podcast out, so… MEGAN NEFF: Didn't we come up with like an awkward…? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, we're just going to say goodbye and then turn it off. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, but we had some kind of tagline. I'm trying to remember at the moment, like the place where we do awkward goodbyes, goodbye. PATRICK CASALE: The place where we do awkward goodbyes on the Divergent Conversations podcast coming out every single week. Goodbye.  MEGAN NEFF: Perfect.

EPISODE 435: As you know, today's real estate investing landscape is pretty difficult to navigate. It's changing rapidly, and this means that it's much more volatile than it used to be a few years ago. In fact, we'd go as far as to say that it's so volatile that you really don't want to be doing any buying right now as a real estate investor. So, when buying isn't an option, what should you do instead? This is the exact question we answer in this week's minisode of The Real Estate InvestHER Show. Today, we discuss how you can realign your investment strategy to get through these less than ideal times, survive in this climate, and set yourself up for success as the market changes.  Are you ready to learn more? Then run, don't walk, and listen to this episode now! Key Takeaways:  Introduction (00:00) Let's talk about realignment (00:55) What to do when you can't buy (04:50) Analyze your current market (06:11) Analyze your asset class (06:31) Realign yourself (07:10) Answer this question before buying (07:54) Additional Resources: Check out our FREE events: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/events Discover our episode about mobile home park investing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf_D81f7SYg -- ⚡ Join the InvestHER Movement Get your ticket for InvestHER CON 2024: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Join the InvestHER Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therealestateinvesther/ Apply for your STRIVE Membership here: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/membership Join our InvestHER Meetups: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investhercon Schedule a discovery call with us: https://www.therealestateinvesther.com/investherorg -- The Real Estate InvestHER Show is a podcast by women for women all over the world who want to learn how to invest in real estate, grow their portfolio, and develop the mindset that allows them to run successful businesses while taking care of their families and – most importantly – taking care of themselves. Follow us for more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nurse Coach Amanda Johnsen is on a mission to transform healthcare from the inside out. She specializes in supporting other Nurse Coaches and Nurses to improve the system by implementing Nurse Coaching in their organizations. In this episode, she shares story after story of Nurse Coaches doing incredible work to shake up the status quo. Amanda's unique approach is a blend of her extensive nursing experience, leadership training, and coaching skills. Tune in to learn everything about it! Key Takeaways:Intro (00:00)How Nurse Coaching resuscitates life (03:25)Transforming healthcare from inside out (11:22)How Nurse Coaches are changing the system (30:12)Outro (44:02)Additional Resources:Check out Amanda's website: https://www.amanethwellness.com/     Check out Amanda's Wellness Academy: https://amanethwellnessacademy.cohere.live/aboutAttend the 2024 Nurse Coach Conference: https://thenursecoaches.com/nurse-coach-conference/ Check out our newly designed website: https://thenursecoaches.com/ Learn more about The Nurse Coach Collective here.Check out our FREE Intro to Nurse Coaching Webinar and schedule a call with us here.Follow The Nurse Coach Collective on Instagram: @thenursecoachesJoin The Nurse Coach Collective Facebook community here.----The Nurse Coach Collective is a podcast for nurses and Nurse Coaches who want to make a positive change in the world.Follow us on your favorite platform so you never miss an episode!

There is no single best diet for everyone and it's important to find a plan that works for you. When looking at macro or calorie calculators, it's important to understand the components of the calculator and utilize them as just one tool in your fitness journey. Listen in as Sue and Alex dive into the intricacies of macro calculators, advice for using them, and some tips for first-time trackers. Be sure to check out the PDTC app and our own macro calculator. Plus, check out our new FREE 4-week glute program available inside the app. As always, it is our goal not only to supply you, the listener, with valuable insights on the topics or questions but also to plant some seeds for further research and thought. Be sure to subscribe and leave us a review if you loved this episode! Timestamps: (0:00) About today's episode (0:17) Breaking down the components of a macro calculator (5:25) The biggest mistake we see people make when using a nutrition calculator (10:16) Shortcomings of nutrition calculators & how to overcome them (14:53) Advice for first-time trackers (19:26) Assessing (& being realistic with) your activity level & current life situation (25:31) Remember that this is a journey that takes time (27:27) Check out the PDTC app! Additional Resources: Check out our PD Macro Calculator - https://physiquedevelopment.com/calculator Our Leaner Together 12-Week Dieting Series - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX764SrJPniRPQ74V0T3rV746UATInkYN&si=TKFLhf_8x2fSwQdW Check out our FREE 4-Week Glute Program - https://dedicated-artist-6006.ck.page/9c34d747c8?utm_source=Podcast&utm_medium=Podcast&utm_campaign=FreeGluteProgram&utm_id=Gluteprogram Interested in the Physique Development Training Club App? Join here! - https://physiquedevelopment.app Keep up to date with all things PD, get exclusive content, snag freebies, and more by joining our email list! - https://dedicated-artist-6006.ck.page/emailsignup Grab a band tee here! - https://shopphysiquedevelopment.com Have questions for future episodes or have a topic you'd like us to cover? Submit them here - https://forms.gle/AEu5vMKNLDfmc24M7 Looking to hire the last coach you'll ever need? Apply here - https://physiquedevelopment.typeform.com/to/ewAMxk1w Interested in competition prep? Apply here - https://physiquedevelopment.typeform.com/to/Ii2UNA For more videos, articles, and information, head to - https://physiquedevelopment.com To follow the team on Instagram: Coach Alex - https://www.instagram.com/alexbush__ Coach Sue - https://www.instagram.com/suegainz Physique Development - https://www.instagram.com/physiquedevelopment_ If you would like to support Physique Development and this podcast, please head over to your favorite podcast app and leave us a rating and review! This goes a long way in supporting this podcast and helps us continue to bring high-quality, honest, content to you in the form of a podcast. Thank you for listening and we will see you all next time! ---- Produced by: David Margittai | In Post Media Website: https://www.inpostmedia.com Email: david@inpostmedia.com © 2023, Physique Development LLC. All rights reserved.

Navigating complex and challenging medical journeys such as cancer, traumatic injury, or end-of-life care is difficult for everyone involved. This is something that today's guest, Board Certified Health and Wellness Nurse Coach Lauren Jefferson, knows all too well from her personal life. Join us in today's emotional episode as we connect with Lauren, who works with patients facing these complex journeys. Lauren also shares her personal journey that led her to this specialty and how her coaching empowers her clients to truly live again.Tune in!Key Takeaways:Intro (00:00)Lauren's journey to becoming a Nurse Coach (00:59)The consequences of NOT having support (07:14)The emotional aspect of Nurse Coaching (13:42)How Nurse Coaching helps people to not identify as their diagnosis (18:00)Becoming a Nurse Coach while losing her father (24:05)The future of healthcare (37:09)Outro (41:37)Additional Resources:Check out Lauren's website: https://www.laurenjhealth.com/ Attend the 2024 Nurse Coach Conference: https://thenursecoaches.com/nurse-coach-conference/ Check out our newly designed website: https://thenursecoaches.com/ Learn more about The Nurse Coach Collective here.Check out our FREE Intro to Nurse Coaching Webinar and schedule a call with us here.Follow The Nurse Coach Collective on Instagram: @thenursecoachesJoin The Nurse Coach Collective Facebook community here.----The Nurse Coach Collective is a podcast for nurses and Nurse Coaches who want to make a positive change in the world.Follow us on your favorite platform so you never miss an episode!

How much money can you make as a Nurse Coach? What's the ROI? And how should you price your services so it's fair to you and your clients?Here today, to answer all of these questions and more is the amazing Karena Hammon – a Transformative Nurse Coach and Nurse Practitioner on a mission to empower women to break free from their reliance on food and alcohol. Karena managed to earn a massive $14K before even graduating from The Nurse Coach Collective, and she quickly found a pricing strategy that worked for her. In this episode, she explains exactly how she did it and how Nurse Coaching changed her life! Tune in. Key Takeaways:Intro (00:00)Karena's personal growth story as a Nurse Coach (01:59)How becoming a Nurse Coach enhanced Karena's role as a practitioner (10:53)Karena's program Becoming a Mindful Eater (17:08)Helping others when you aren't 100% healed yourself (23:55)What's the ROI on Nurse Coaching? (30:45)What does freedom look like to Karena? (43:05)Outro (50:00)Additional Resources:Check out Karena's website: https://themindfulnp.org/ Join Karena's Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/600973195070759 Follow Karena on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_mindful_nurse_practitioner/ Attend the 2024 Nurse Coach Conference: https://thenursecoaches.com/nurse-coach-conference/ Check out our newly designed website: https://thenursecoaches.com/ Learn more about The Nurse Coach Collective here.Check out our FREE Intro to Nurse Coaching Webinar and schedule a call with us here.Follow The Nurse Coach Collective on Instagram: @thenursecoachesJoin The Nurse Coach Collective Facebook community here.----The Nurse Coach Collective is a podcast for nurses and Nurse Coaches who want to make a positive change in the world.Follow us on your favorite platform so you never miss an episode!

If you're thinking about becoming a Nurse Coach, you're probably wondering, among other things, if you can make a good living out of it.Today's guest, the outstanding Nurse Coach Karri Willy, is living proof that you can! Just over a year into her private practice, she reached the $10K/month milestone and has a plethora of clients. But what makes her story so special is that she has done all this without social media, solely by word of mouth and with the power of powerful conversations and connecting with people. In this episode, she spills the beans on exactly how she did it and shares some tips and tricks for aspiring Nurse Coaches, so tune in!Key Takeaways:Intro (00:00)The unusual way Karri started her private practice (02:03)How Karri started earning up to $10K a month (10:12)Where Karri's joy lives (13:37)The hardships Karri went through on her journey (22:18)Karri's final thoughts (26:10)Outro (30:00)Additional Resources:Check out Karri's website: http://www.holisticheartnurse.com/ Follow Karri on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nursecoachkarri/ Attend the 2024 Nurse Coach Conference: https://thenursecoaches.com/nurse-coach-conference/ Check out our newly designed website: https://thenursecoaches.com/ Learn more about The Nurse Coach Collective here.Check out our FREE Intro to Nurse Coaching Webinar and schedule a call with us here.Follow The Nurse Coach Collective on Instagram: @thenursecoachesJoin The Nurse Coach Collective Facebook community here.----The Nurse Coach Collective is a podcast for nurses and Nurse Coaches who want to make a positive change in the world.Follow us on your favorite platform so you never miss an episode!

Learn how Nurse Coach D'Layne navigates complex topics like trauma, anxiety and nervous system dysregulation inside of her Nurse Coaching practice in a way that leaves her clients feeling empowered. A must-listen for any Nurse wanting to learn more about working with clients to move through the healing process and create their dream life.Grab a pen and paper, and get ready to self-reflect - because you'll learn A LOT in this episode!Key Takeaways:Intro (00:00)D'Layne's journey into Nurse Coaching (03:25)Nervous system regulation (09:17)Trauma-informed care (14:55)D'Layne's thoughts on Nurse Coaching (38:26)Outro (52:04)Additional Resources:Check out D'Layne's website: http://www.dlaynebensonwellness.com/ Attend the 2024 Nurse Coach Conference: https://thenursecoaches.com/nurse-coach-conference/ Check out our newly designed website: https://thenursecoaches.com/ Learn more about The Nurse Coach Collective here.Check out our FREE Intro to Nurse Coaching Webinar and schedule a call with us here.Follow The Nurse Coach Collective on Instagram: @thenursecoachesJoin The Nurse Coach Collective Facebook community here.----The Nurse Coach Collective is a podcast for nurses and Nurse Coaches who want to make a positive change in the world.Follow us on your favorite platform so you never miss an episode!

“When you show up as a loving leader, you help people be the best they can be.” Dr. Sylvain Trepanier, SVP and System Chief Nursing Officer at Providence, says if you want your team to trust you and feel supported enough to reach their potential, it takes a loving leadership approach. In this episode, Syl and our guest host, David Black, discuss the deliberate behaviors Syl practices so he can show up authentic, honest, and fully present. Along the way, you'll learn about his daily rituals to stay grateful and intentionally inspire those around him. Additional Resources: Check out Dr. Syl's Website Connect with Dr. Syl on Facebook Connect with David Black Find out more about Even Health and Cabana Connect with Nikki on LinkedIn Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn Learn more about PeopleForward Network

David could have killed Saul? In this episode, Emma Dotter and Abby Rose show us that David was faithful to the Lord's the commands and trusted that He would enact justice.  Scripture Referenced: James 1:13  Additional Resources:  Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Join the Journey Jr. https://www.jointhejourney.com/jr/5781-do-you-remember-god-s-promises-to-abraham   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

Trees are often seen merely as backdrops or immovable scenery. When we start to learn about the physical realities of trees, their names and histories and the ways they interact with the world around them, we start to wonder if we've gotten the wrong idea about what trees are. In this episode, Jim and Colin go on a journey to see trees more completely, to see them as living, dynamic creatures. Learning about the scientific reality of trees leads to an enriched understanding of the role trees play as symbols in the Bible and helps eventually for trees to be seen as creatures who praise God. Additional Resources: Check out MyTree Calculator, mentioned in the episode. There were a lot of trees in the bible we didn't have time to talk about in the episode. The BibleProject podcast has a great series on trees in the bible called Tree of Life. Join a conversation about this episode on the BioLogos Forum. ***Learn about or register for the BioLogos Creation Care Summit on October 7th here.*** Podcast listeners can use the promo code LOG at checkout for a 15% discount on registration.  ***We're going to be discussing the book Braiding Sweetgrass on the podcast on October 7th.***  If you'd like a copy to read along, podcast listeners can get free shipping at milkweed.org. Enter the code LOGPROMO. We also made a free discussion guide which you can download here.  

Today we are covering quite a bit of topics in 1 Samuel 18-19. Harmful spirits and Jonathan and David's relationship to name a few. In this episode, Emma Dotter is joined by friends Ryan Garrahan and Jordan Thompson to unpack this passage.   Additional Resources:  Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Join the Journey Jr. https://www.jointhejourney.com/jr/5781-do-you-remember-god-s-promises-to-abraham   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

 Is this a story that you've read a million times and have grown apathetic toward it? In this episode, Emma Dotter and Makaila Swank walk us through 1 Samuel 17, giving a great reminder on how small acts of faithfulness prepare us for future successes.  Additional Resources:  Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Join the Journey Jr. https://www.jointhejourney.com/jr/5781-do-you-remember-god-s-promises-to-abraham   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4   Listen to Makaila's first episode! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s2-149-1-samuel-5/id1600151923?i=1000623294294   Listen to the podcast on Joshua 11 - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s2-120-joshua-11-12/id1600151923?i=1000618077120  

How could the spirit of the Lord leave Saul? What's the deal with these harmful spirits? In today's episode Emma Dotter discusses old coventant era and how that helps us understand 1 Samuel 16.  Additional Resources:  Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Join the Journey Jr. https://www.jointhejourney.com/jr/5781-do-you-remember-god-s-promises-to-abraham   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

Saul proves himself as a leader and Samuel reminds the Israelites of the importance of their obedience to God, Emma Dotter is joined by Ian Head, who serves on Watermark's Safety and Medical Team, to discuss 1 Samuel 11-12.  Additional Resources:   Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

Why would Israel want a king despite Samuel's warnings? In this episode, Emma Dotter is joined by today's devo writer, Teresa Krejci and her son Ben to talk about Israel's motivation to be like other nations and what is reveals about their hearts.  Additional Resources:   Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

Ruth isn't just a book about a single girl getting a husband. In this bonus episode, Emma Dotter is joined by faithful Watermark staff member, Kimberly McNiece to unpack how much we can learn from just 4 chapters and point out some misconceptions we may have about the book of Ruth.  Additional Resources:   Check out Join the Journey's Daily Devotionals & Discussion Questions by following this link: https://www.jointhejourney.com/   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Journal: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7TCKPR1/ref=sr_1_14?crid=3MDHUUF0FW85G&keywords=join+the+journey+volume+2&qid=1686688452&sprefix=join+the+journ%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-14   Grab a NEW Join The Journey Jr. Journal: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Jesus-Vol-Journey-Journal/dp/B0C7TCBFSG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1RSZG7ERDLZ3F&keywords=join+the+journey+jr&qid=1686838113&sprefix=join+the+journey+%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-4 

EPISODE 297: What is it like scaling a business? As a former Navy pilot with winning embedded already in him, Shawn Dominguez already had that fire to build a successful construction business. In 2022, Dominguez Design-Build Inc. was the fastest-growing company in Pensacola, number 4 in Florida, and number 11 in the U.S. This was just years after they went full-time in 2018. But Shawn knew that if he wanted to scale his business from $20M to $50M in revenue, he had to get the right pieces in place. And that's what motivated him to join our Systematize Your Construction Business or SYCB program. In today's episode, our very own Leyah Hostetter sits down with Shawn to talk about some of the foundations for scaling a business. He talks about how simple tasks can sometimes get in the way, the connection between standard processes and cash flow, what winning looks like, and the effects he and his team are experiencing after going through the SYCB program. Tune in now to learn more!   Key Takeaways: Introduction (00:00) From Navy pilot to construction business owner (03:03) Challenges that Shawn and his team had before SYCB (06:03) What was it like handling frustrations in everyday executions? (08:30) Personal challenges that come with scaling a business (10:44) On nailing the handoff and creating an accountability chart (12:24) What does winning look like in construction? (13:42) Most impactful part of the SYCB program (16:56) Ripple effects of joining the SYCB program (17:53)   Additional Resources: - Check out the Systematize Your Construction Business Program details HERE - Hear success stories from our clients HERE - Book a FREE call with our team HERE - Visit Construction Leading Edge for more HERE -- The Construction Leading Edge Podcast helps construction business owners maximize their revenue, eliminate chaos, systematize their work, and win back their time. Follow us on your favorite podcasting platform so you never miss an episode!  

Finding a neurodivergent affirmative therapist is important for individuals who are Autistic, have ADHD, or have another diagnosis. However, it isn't always easy to connect with a therapist who is willing to explore their client's special interests, even though it can help them feel more comfortable and relaxed during therapy sessions. There are some therapists out there who shy away from or just don't understand neurodivergent minds and thinking, despite what claims may be on their profiles, which can make finding the right therapist a challenge. But neurodivergent affirmative therapists are out there. You just need to know what to look for. If you are looking for a neurodivergent affirmative therapist and aren't sure where to start, then this episode is for you. Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode: Learn how and where to find a neurodivergent affirmative therapist who can support your unique needs. Identify what to look for and expect in a neurodivergent affirmative therapist and what therapy modalities are generally most helpful for autistic and ADHD individuals. Identify some common misconceptions about what kind of therapy works best for neurodivergent folks, as well as hear about Megan and Patrick's personal experiences. Remember, finding a neurodivergent affirmative therapist can be a challenge, but with the right tools and information, it's absolutely achievable. Keep advocating for yourself, and know that healing and overcoming shame and stigma related to seeking therapy is a testament to your strength and resilience. Additional Resources: Check out these resources on Megan's website: neurodivergentinsights.com/resources   Transcript PATRICK CASALE: Hey everyone, you're listening to another episode of the Divergent Conversations Podcast. I'm one of your cohosts, Patrick Casale, joined today by my other cohost… MEGAN NEFF: Dr. Neff.  PATRICK CASALE: And today we're going to talk about finding a neurodivergent affirmative therapist and how complicated that can be, questions to ask, things to avoid, resources, etc. So, a really cold topic segwaying off of our Megan and my conversations around our own diagnosis history, and stories, and some of the personal pathways into kind of finding therapy for ourselves and how challenging that has been.  And I think it's been a rough road. But I think we both kind of have got that sorted out now. But I think it's taken a long time, and a lot of trial and error, and a lot of misdiagnoses, missed opportunities, and unfortunately, sometimes some trauma involved as well. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, that's a good summary of it. I'm curious because I know you really like your current therapist, how did you find her? Were you specifically looking for a neurodivergent affirming therapist or was it coincidental? PATRICK CASALE: It was coincidental because when I was looking I had not even gotten my results back from the testing that I had done yet.  MEGAN NEFF: Okay. PATRICK CASALE: So, I was looking very specifically for someone who could support me with certain things like feeling like I'm never doing enough, I'm being lazy, I'm being unproductive.  MEGAN NEFF: All these ADHD things.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, all the ADHD things really of like, and I also wanted to finally try hard to absorb and take pride in some of my accomplishment instead of just moving to the next thing. Simultaneously, was doing testing to set… Ooh, words, to figure out if I was autistic, if it was ADHD, if I was missing something, and got my results after I had scheduled an intake with her. So, I was really actually very anxious about that first interaction because I had heard some horror stories from some friends who had recently been diagnosed as autistic. They had told their therapists and their therapists, like, kind of in the middle of conversation were just like, "Yeah, I don't feel competent enough to help you and I'm going to refer you out." MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I see and hear about that a lot. Like, sorry, can't touch that.  PATRICK CASALE: Yep.  MEGAN NEFF: Refer you to a specialist. Yeah, totally. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah. And I think the problem, you know, is who are the specialists? MEGAN NEFF: Right?  PATRICK CASALE: And [CROSSTALK 00:02:49]. MEGAN NEFF: They're working with kids. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, they're working with kiddos. And a lot of the times they're also practicing from an ABA model. And I think that just like any other marginalized group, when someone says, like, we're anti-racist, or we are pro-BLM, or we are like, supporters of the LGBTQ community, it's very easy to just say that and not have its meaning- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, my gosh. PATRICK CASALE: …or the [INDISCERNIBLE 00:03:15], or the ongoing consultation. So, I think it's very easy to get caught in between the like, finding the person who knows a little bit about neurodiversity, but like really isn't a specialist, but like, at least is open to working with people. And I think that's where a lot of people end up because we have so few resources out there, at least, in my opinion, in western North Carolina, for sure. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And like, I hope this is encouraging, this probably isn't a super popular opinion, but I am less, and part, probably because of my experience with my previous therapist, but I'm less convinced the person has to be a specialist in neurodiversity and way more about their attitude, and their energy, and their ability to be curious, and their ability to be relational, and ability to be interpersonal.  Like, if you find someone who is curious with you, and will engage in the interpersonal process of like, what's happening here? Can we understand that? Do we have this like psychic strength to tolerate looking at that? Then I think you're in good hands.  So, for me, often it's less about what trainings have they done? What do they know? And more about who they are as a human and are they open to being curious about this with someone? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I agree 100%. And I think that, you know, for any therapeutic relationship that's really crucial much more so than like trainings, or certifications, or letters behind someone's name. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: And, you know, we still see a lot of therapists who say like, I specialize in ASD, or I specialize in [CROSSTALK 00:05:08], or whatever the case may be and you're like, "Well, I'm not going to refer to this person probably, so I'm checking that one off the list." So, I think you're right, though, I mean, the curiosity piece and the ability to just really be open and to even be learning as they're going. You know, a lot of therapists, well, I think all therapists should be doing continuous lifelong learning, but the ability to do so with a client who they may be unfamiliar with, or they don't have much background in working with, I think that's really important as well. And that goes a long way to kind of build that trust and rapport. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. PATRICK CASALE: And, you know, I think the horror stories we hear a lot of like the, "I told my therapist this and they referred me out." And I used to experience that a lot when I only worked with male-identifying clients who were struggling with addiction, a lot of them would come to me and say, like, "I talked about my drug usage or my, you know, lack of sobriety and they stopped to listen." MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, that's a really common refer out, yep, yep. PATRICK CASALE: Yep, like middle-of-conversation stuff. Like, someone's saying, like, "Hey, I relapsed and I went back to using amphetamine." And then the therapist saying like, "Whoa, all right, this isn't for me, I'm going to refer you out." But I've always… MEGAN NEFF: No shaming. PATRICK CASALE: It is. MEGAN NEFF: Can you imagine disclosing that and someone be like, "Oh, no, okay, I can't handle you." PATRICK CASALE: Right and like, what do you expect to be happening in the middle of that therapeutic conversation? Like, you can't wait until the end of the session to have that conversation about referrals? MEGAN NEFF:  Right, or even to take an interpersonal approach of like, I'm hearing this and I care deeply about you, and here are some of the things coming up for me around this of this isn't my background, and I'm wondering am I the best person to support you through this? And then, like to process it with the person versus just not, "Sorry, no." And I mean, talk about like an attachment injury. There's just so much about that, that makes me cringe. PATRICK CASALE: I thought it was mind-boggling. And I thought, you know, this person was just… this was being embellished, then I met the therapist, and they like, confirmed everything, they're like, "Yeah, I said that that's how this went, that's how I referred them to you." And I was like, "What the fuck?" Like, you can't just… I think therapists are so often unable to handle, like, healthy confrontation and feedback process in a relationship. So, we avoid it and then it's like, I'm going to cover my ass, so I think the best scenario is like refer out, refer out, refer out. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, there's a lot of cover your ass, and that thing, again, what happens to the person when they feel like a liability? I've just disclosed something really vulnerable and I'm now a liability.  Like, Martin Buber is a philosopher, I'm a big fan of, and he talks about the I thou, I it encounter of like I thou is seeing the sacredness of the other I it, it's that kind of objectifying. Like, in that moment of I can't handle you, I'm referring you out, like that became an I it moment. And in a relationship where they're supposed to be a lot of I thou encounter, it's so wounding. PATRICK CASALE: It's really wounding and you know, I think so often, right, if we're talking about people who are ashamed of their diagnosis or their presenting concerns, and they've been stigmatized and discriminated against, and you come into therapy, a place where like, you've finally been able to pick up the phone or email and finally made this appointment, and then that is the response, the odds of you seeking out therapeutic support ever again in your life drastically reduces. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, and this is something I tell like trainees when I'm working with, like psychologists in training or therapist in training is, because there's so much pressure when you're in training to like do everything perfectly, and also always remind them like, if they have a positive encounter with you, that is incredible because it means that they can trust the process of therapy, they're more likely to go back when they need it. Like, make that your goal, have a positive encounter with this other human, and it's not about like doing all the techniques perfectly or making sure their depression symptoms are all the way reduced. It's, can you have a human-to-humor, wow, words, human-to-human of authentic, meaningful encounter where they feel like this is something that they want to return to. PATRICK CASALE: Absolutely. I think that's a testament to doing really wonderful work and that's where the healing and you know, that takes place too, and someone who then becomes much more invested, and then the shamefulness and the stigmatization kind of dissipates. And it's like, "Okay, that wasn't so bad. Like, I can go and talk about this." And I will say, you know, you mentioned my own therapeutic experience, and that intake was very anxiety provoking for me because I had just gotten these diagnoses, I was still processing. And I was like, really excited to see this person. I've been waiting a long time, she had quite a significant waitlist, and I was like, "I'm just going to wait it out, and you know, I want to see this person." And I would have really, probably been pretty devastated had the response been something different.  But what happened was, I was just like, "Listen, I want to be really transparent with you. I did just do testing for autism and ADHD. And you know, I did get or receive a diagnosis for both autism and ADHD. And I just want to name that because I'm fearful that you're going to tell me that we can't work together." And she was like, "Oh, yeah, my son's autistic, so you're probably in a good spot." And I was like, "Oh, well, this feels like…" MEGAN NEFF: That's amazing. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it felt like very much aligned with what I've been working towards. And a couple of good friends in town had given me her name. And I think they probably knew I was autistic. So, I think they did so with, like, the best of intentions in terms of referrals. So, I've been really fortunate. And I know that and I don't take that for granted at all. She actually listens to our podcast and follows you- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, does she?  PATRICK CASALE: …on Instagram. So, she's excited for all this stuff to come out. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah- PATRICK CASALE: Like, I can't [CROSSTALK 00:11:46]- MEGAN NEFF: How's that? Like, do you all process that as client therapy of like, and then you see this other side of me because that's really interesting. PATRICK CASALE: I think that dual relationships, I'm okay with dual relationships [CROSSTALK 00:12:04]. MEGAN NEFF: I wonder if that's an artistic thing because I am too. And I kept pushing my… My therapist and I, we wrapped working together, but we worked together for like four and a half years. And I kept pushing for more dual relationships. And he held the frame of like, and I mean, he's psychoanalytic, it's a little bit more, but I think it's kind of an autistic thing, and may be related to the whole like hierarchy of, we're two humans having a really meaningful encounter, why is it so contained? But I actually understand it therapeutically, also why it's important, but sorry, I interrupted, talk more about your [CROSSTALK 00:12:40]- PATRICK CASALE: I think that's important to name because I think that's true because now I'm thinking about all the autistic therapists that I know or that I employ who also are absolutely okay with having dual relationships in their lives. And I think it is like the recognition that, yes, this setting is for this, but like, we are also humans who live in a community together and like, there's going to be overlap and like there's going to be potential interaction in other areas of our lives.  So, I actually think it's great because that's actually a good segue into what to look for in a therapist who's ND affirming because someone who will willingly explore your special interests, I think that's huge, I think that's so so important for someone to like, not just shrug it off, not just try to, like, deflect, or to, you know, kind of transition to a different topic. But if a therapist is recognizing like, "Oh, this autistic client is really into A, B, and C. Like, let's just go with it and see where that goes." Because that's another way to drop that guard down quite a bit. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, absolutely. Typically, when I'm working with therapists a lot of it's around, like, helping them refine their assessment skills. And a question I'll often ask is, do you feel like you contact them when they start talking about an interest? And by contact, I mean, like, you see them, like, you feel them in the room for the first time.  And when therapists are like, yes, to me that's like, okay, that's a green flag that we're looking at autism here, is you feel like you're contacting the person for the first time when they start talking about their special interest.  Before that it's you're asking all those social-based questions like, tell me about your family, tell me about your friends, and you're getting like one-word answers or like, it just feels really, you don't feel like there's a person there probably because most of us are in free state when we get asked social-based questions. And so, if you want to get access to the person you're absolutely doing that through special interests versus those social-based questions, I think that's a huge part of autistic affirming therapy. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I agree. And I think that makes a huge difference. It just feels more real, feels more authentic. You know, you can really drop in then and you can see the personality start to come out too and excitability as well. MEGAN NEFF: Emotion, which is good for therapy. PATRICK CASALE: Emotion, right, yes.  MEGAN NEFF: Like, I just got you… did you see how my effect just like went way up when I started talking about like, especially… because talking about autism and special interests in therapy is your special interest. PATRICK CASALE: Is your special interest. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: One of your special interests. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, one of my special interests, and my energy just went way up?  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I mean, I think it's so important to follow that. And so often, I think I've been in so many therapeutic relationships as the client where, you know, I am just either going to be like robotic sounding board, rehearsed answers, like, know what to say, versus like, the ability to dig deeper and actually go into processing trauma or lived experience because we're connecting on the same wavelength because you're allowing for me to diverge, where my brain is going, instead of trying to circle back constantly and like, "So, let's talk about this." It's like, "No, I don't want to talk about that right now." MEGAN NEFF: And to me, like that would be a... if we're talking about kind of red flags of like ND affirming therapists versus not, I think that would be a red flag of someone who's maybe not a great fit. If every time you start talking about something you're excited about, like, the therapist kind of does that with you for a couple of minutes, but then circles you back to, "Okay, and the point of this is… so but tell me about, like, how that makes you feel or tell me about…" Like, trying to redirect it back to the neurotypical- PATRICK CASALE: And what happens to the typical autistic person when that happens to them? Like, what is your [CROSSTALK 00:16:43]. MEGAN NEFF: What happened?  PATRICK CASALE: Like, what's the instinct or like the reaction, typically, when someone like does that to someone? MEGAN NEFF: Well, I'll share my experience. So, I was working with a spiritual director, which is different than therapy, but kind of like, there's a similar back and forth aspect to it. And this was back when I was in the… I no longer identify as religious, this was back a few years. But I was explaining, so Moltmann is this theologian I love and I was really into Moltmann, and he was helping me as a… he's very philosophical, so he was helping me, like, think through a lot of my psychic stuff, as well as my, like, relationship to the sacred. And I was getting really into Moltmann and explaining it because I was reading this, like, 1000-page book at the time.  And then my spiritual director was like, "Yes, but when you talk about that, where do you feel in your body?" And she's bringing it back to like analytic, and I was like, "I was just telling you how I felt about it by like unpacking who Moltmann is, the ideas I'm engaging with. Like, I literally was just telling you how I feel about it." But then she was bringing it back to allistic speech of emotion words, body words.  So, I froze in that state. And I like shut down. And I think I went back to like that pre-scripted conversation. It was a requirement of a program I was in when I did it. So, I think all the other sessions after that I would come up with this is what I'm going to say, I just kind of bared through them. I would brace for it because it felt very intrusive attending these visits.  And I felt very inadequate of like, why are these questions hard for me to answer? I didn't know I was autistic at the time. So, like, why is this so hard for me to answer? Every time I go academic she tried to bring me back. But that's how I disclose my inner world to people is through ideas. And I think she saw that as a defense. And so, was trying to bring me back into emotion language, which is a language that I'm not… That's not how I share my inner world with people. I'm not like, this is how I feel about it. And that's just not my language. That's what happened to me. I froze, and got defensive, and scripted out how I'd make it through the rest of sessions. PATRICK CASALE: Yep and I think that also, in my opinion, creates some shamefulness internally of like, at least for me, what happens is I shut down, like you just kind of mentioned, and then I started thinking like, "Why the fuck can't I access this? Like, why can't I speak like this or reference this?" And then I get really in my head. And that's what's been nice about my current therapist is she has said things like that before where she's like, "You know, do you want to drop in today or do you want to do this?" I'm like [CROSSTALK 00:19:49]. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, I like that. She's getting consent.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, she always asks and I'm always like, "No, I don't want to do that." And she reads my facial expressions really well. And she's like, "You're not here for this today, are you?" I'm like, "No, I don't want to do that. So, can we fucking talk about what I want to talk about?" And you know, sometimes that is definitely a defense mechanism too- MEGAN NEFF: Totally, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: …but at the same time, the how does it make you feel? Or where do you feel that in your body? Like, all the typical therapeutic language, I just can't tolerate it. And it just makes me, I've already checked out then. Like, I'm just going to go into that faking state of just like yeah, and head nodding, and short answers, and… MEGAN NEFF: Does it feel intrusive to you? To me, it feels so intrusive for someone to ask like where in your body is that or even how you're feeling, it feels intrusive. PATRICK CASALE: I think it does feel intrusive and I think it's because… And this is, again, just my perspective is like, when you're being asked that, it's like saying the other person doesn't really see you and doesn't really understand your inner world. And that just makes me feel like we're really not connecting. And I'm kind of going to check out. I just don't want to have the conversation anymore.  MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yes. I think the reason that I worked with my last therapist I worked with was, well, first, it was the first male therapist I worked with, and I think that worked well for me because, like, all the emotion feely stuff doesn't work for me. And a lot of, gosh, this is so gendered and binary, but I haven't been to any genderqueer therapist before. But the women I worked with who are therapists were very like feely emotion. And I needed someone who's more analytic, intellectual, which I found more easily in a male therapist than I did in the female therapist that I tried. Again, there's going to be a lot of variance there. But for me, I realized working with a male therapist ended up working a lot better.  And there's plenty of female therapists who are also not feely warm, but I think, okay, I'm going to stop. I'm like feeling myself digging myself into a hole around creating gender stereotypes and I'm going to stop trying to dig out of that.  Okay, where, oh, this is where I was going with that [INDISCERNIBLE 00:22:07] trail. After the intake, in our first session we had, he didn't start with how are you feeling? He started with what's on your mind. And I found myself opening up, which was not normal for me for therapy experiences. And I realized that after I was like, that made such a difference, that simple question, what's on your mind? Versus how are you today? Or how was your week? That felt invitational versus intrusive.  And so, I think that's one of the reasons we worked together well for so long was, and again, we didn't know, I didn't know I was autistic. He obviously didn't know. But yeah, I found that a much nicer way of opening a session. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I like that, what's on your mind? I think when you ask the like, how's it going today? Or how's your week? Or how are you feeling? My instinct is always to be like, "Good, I'm fine. You know, like, nothing's wrong." And then I feel myself as we're going through a therapy session to be like, "Oh, this is so wrong, like everything is happening to me right now." But it's instant instinct to just immediately answer with a short answer and just move on to the next question. And I think that, again, when we're talking about green versus red flags in therapy is really the approach has to really be important.  And so, talking about green flags, like, let's highlight the good stuff before we [CROSSTALK 00:23:41]- MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, we've kind of been down on therapists today. PATRICK CASALE: We're both therapists and we're both shit-talking therapists.  MEGAN NEFF: I know and there's a lot of amazing therapists out there. Like, there's therapists who come and pay me like a ridiculous amount an hour to consult with me because of one client they have. And like, there are therapists out there who, like, care so much and are doing the work. So, yeah, I was even noticing that earlier. I was like, "Oh, I feel kind of bad." And I think on social media right now, especially, in autistic world, there's a lot of negative talk around therapists. So, I was even feeling that of like, "Gosh, this is all true and I don't want to be contributing to that narrative of like, all therapists are shit therapists and don't know how to work with us." Because there's a lot do, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, there are. I think all of these conversations are not binary and like these are not black-and-white conversations, and I want to highlight both sides of the coin because there are so many bad experiences whether you're autistic or not autistic. I mean, there's a lot of bad experiences, but there are a lot of wonderfully positive, transformative, empowering, affirming experiences too. And there are a lot of wonderful therapists who are doing the work, who are curious, who are learning as they go, as we all are, and who are willing to show up and have really difficult conversations, but also be as empathetic and present as possible. MEGAN NEFF: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, so let's talk about green flags. What are some that come to your mind when you think about, like, how you steer people or what they should look for? Whether it's like they're doing a search on Psychology Today or they're on the therapist's webpage? What do you think they should be looking for? PATRICK CASALE: I think, again, language is important. I think that, you know, I want to see what people are using in terms of identity-based language. I want to see, like I mentioned before, are we still using ASD? Are we still using the term Asperger's? Are we really committed to the ABA philosophy and intervention set? I think that I also really want to know about, I personally like to know about therapist's identities as well. So, I want disclosure, like, I really value that. And I think that is really helpful for any sort of affirmative care, but I think those are some green flags that I look for. How about you? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I love that, yeah, someone who's taking their time to highlight this is how I'm socially positioned in the world is obviously thinking about identity in a thoughtful way. So, I think that is a significant one. Yes, agree about identity language.  And I love that the word neurodivergent, neurodiversity is becoming more widely used, but I do see that sometimes sprinkled on websites, but then it's like, interacting with the content or books, I've read books where they use neurodiversity, but then it feels like they've just like substituted ASD for neurodiversity or neurodivergent.  So, I also, like, I think, like paying attention to the energy you feel when you're reading about a therapist webpage. Again, I'm very interpersonal. And so, I really trust, like, what is happening to you, when you're on this person's site, energetically, in your body, what are you feeling? But paying attention to just how you feel when you're reading about this person and interacting with what they're putting out in the world? PATRICK CASALE: I want to know, also, like, therapists takes on self-diagnosis. I think that's- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, yeah, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: You know, I think that it's definitely a pretty controversial topic in that world. But I always want to know, what do you think about self-diagnosis?  MEGAN NEFF: That's a great question, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, because I recognize my privilege. Like, I'm able to go and get testing done and, you know, seek out therapy that I want to seek out instead of just what's in front of me, and so I want to know about that.  I want to know about their, you know, you were mentioning Karissa before, and her web page, and their resources that they have on there, and all the frequently asked questions, and ways that they can help guide through. I want to know about thoughts on stemming during sessions. And like if they're able to have any sort of sensory soothing tools? How are we going to set up? Like, how are we feeling about eye contact, even like, in terms of virtual sessions, or in-person sessions, but virtual for sure? Like, my therapist always encourages me and she'll say it like when she can tell I'm really struggling with eye contact in general. She's like, "Please feel free to, like, look around the room and like, do whatever you need to do, we do you. I'm right here, but you don't have to look at me at all." And at first that made me feel like really uncomfortable because I'm like, looking like this and like [CROSSTALK 00:29:15]. I'm like, I could sense the discomfort, but in reality, like, she's just like, "Okay, it's fine. Like, do whatever you need to do." And I think that helps really feel really affirming as well. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. That whole, like, are the neurotypical scripts kind of being followed in a way where it's assumed like, okay, this is how we do it. We sit down, we look at each other, we talk. Yeah, absolutely.  So, for the last two years since COVID started, I've been doing phone therapy with my therapists, and I'll go out, and walk and I found I really liked that because I could get into my emotions a little bit easier if I was walking. And I would say about half the people I work with do phone therapy, and a lot of them walk during it because there's something that's regulating about walking, there's none of the eye contact. So, I think even asking about, like, what's your frame of therapy, and I realize it's really different around the world. In Oregon, all medical providers who are wearing masks and mask therapy it's just so hard, important for health reasons and so hard for therapeutic reasons that a lot of therapists in Oregon are still doing teletherapy. I don't know if it's what it's like there. PATRICK CASALE: I'd say the southeast stopped caring a long time ago.  MEGAN NEFF: Sure.  PATRICK CASALE: But thankfully, Ashville- MEGAN NEFF: Did they ever care? PATRICK CASALE: …is a bit more progressive than most of the southeast. But we're doing a hybrid mix. Our practice is predominantly telehealth. So, like, telehealth, for the most part. I've always done telehealth therapy with my therapist. I've never met her in person. And she'll encourage that too. Like, if she can tell that I'm starting to get dysregulated she's like, "Get up and walk around your kitchen." Or like, "You know, go walk around the house and come back." Or, "Do what you need to do to regulate yourself." And I really appreciate the permission to do that instead of feeling like shameful about it or like, are you going to tell me to sit down, or that I'm being distracting? Or like any of the things that I've heard throughout most of my life? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that can be really healing in a therapy is when the therapist is helping you, like, think through what do you actually need in this moment? Especially, for maskers, we're so used to suppressing our needs in any given moment that A, it's hard for us to access what we actually need, let alone to do that in front of another human. So, I think therapy can be a really powerful practice ground of [INDISCERNIBLE 00:31:52] with another human. I have some sort of sensory or regulation needed in this moment. Can I practice, A, checking and figuring out what the hell it is I need and B, actually doing that in front of another human? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, I think that's like the epitome of safety, is if you can feel comfortable enough to unmask and really have someone else also acknowledge, and see what, and understand what you need in the moment. And without that, that shame or that quick desire to like, immediately flip that switch and be like, "No, everything's fine. Like, I'm okay." Because we do that so often in our day-to-day where we have to act, or present a certain way, or show up a certain way. And I think therapy can be a really beautiful place to kind of just let that shit go and just like, really show your true self. And I think that is just so hard to do on a consistent basis. MEGAN NEFF: Absolutely, absolutely. Especially, when you're autistic and have been actively working to not show your true self for years and years, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it's so deeply rooted, right?  MEGAN NEFF: Oh, go on. PATRICK CASALE: Sorry, I'm just- MEGAN NEFF: No, go ahead.  PATRICK CASALE: I was just going to say it's deeply rooted. And, you know, I think having an ND-affirming therapist, that's another part of it, that's another green flag is the acknowledgement of how much energy goes into masking and how challenging it is to really reveal like, what's actually happening beneath the surface. So, I really appreciate that perspective and that ability as well. MEGAN NEFF: Absolutely, absolutely. Okay, so we've talked a bit about like, language and characteristics of the therapist. I'm curious, I get this question a lot, and I've got a few thoughts, but I'm going to put you in the hot seat first. Do you think there's certain therapy modalities that work better for autistic people? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I do. I will say what I think doesn't work. But this is, again, I'm always going to defer to you when we're talking anything clinical because that's your jam. I will always admit that I have not done the research and the work that you have done.  And I think for myself and for a lot of autistic folks EMDR, brain spotting, that stuff is really challenging. And I also think CBT is also really really hard, the concrete, like, regimented this is what you do, this is what you do, this is what you do, I think DBT can be supportive. I love IFS, I love parts work.  MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, same. PATRICK CASALE: I think that is so fucking powerful and you can really tap into those special interests with parts work. I had such a hard time accessing it like, visually if you were like, "Imagine this boardroom and your parts are there, and they're like communicating." I'm like, "What? No, like, that does not work." But my therapist knows I love Lord of the Rings, so she's like, "All right, so imagine we're at that scene in the fellowship of the [CROSSTALK 00:35:07]- MEGAN NEFF: That's amazing.  PATRICK CASALE: … where everybody is coming together, and the dwarves, and the Elves, and the wizards, and the hobbits, and who's doing what?" And I'm like, at first, I felt so fucking nerdy. And I was like, "Oh, this is making me so uncomfortable."  But I've really been able to access so many different things when you can drop into that world, and to be able to use your special interests in a way where you can feel more connected to emotions that are happening beneath the surface. I think that has been unbelievably life-changing for me. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. I cannot agree more. I love IFS. I love it for autistic people. I will say, I don't know if you're seeing this out on the East Coast, have you heard of plural systems?  PATRICK CASALE: Mm-mm (negative). MEGAN NEFF: It's kind of, oh, gosh, why did I say that? Now I have to try and explain it. So, I would say it's on the DID spectrum, dissociative identity spectrum, when in learning about plural systems what I find is a lot of people who identify as having a plural system, they have more conscious contact with the parts, but it's different than parts work. So, that's the one thing with IFS, I'm like, I love IFS, but then if someone comes in, and they're experiencing, like, they're identified as a we, so people with plural systems often will identify as being plural. And from a affirming lens of like, this isn't something I'm trying to fix about myself, I'm trying to figure out how to integrate these parts. But that's the one thing that I think can lead to some confusion is when you're doing IFS work, but if you're working with a plural system, what the therapist might be conceptualizing and what the person's bringing in, there's going to be a little bit more to navigate there. And I've seen some CEs come out for working with plural systems. It's so new, and it's nothing that's in the DSM yet. Okay, that was a… I'm like rabbit trailing today. PATRICK CASALE: [INDISCERNIBLE 00:37:15] Megan and her clinical work, that's right up the alley, so thank you for that. MEGAN NEFF: But yeah, I'm curious what you said about EMDR. I have wondered about that. I've heard some autistic people talk about that being helpful, but it makes sense to me because it's such an isolated memory you're working with, and our brains are so divergent. So, that actually intuitively makes sense to me. PATRICK CASALE: Almost flooding that happens too with the EMDR. There's a lot of flooding and when you're bringing back that very specific memory, and I've always found that and, you know, this is just anecdotal. So, this is really not evidence or research-based whatsoever. But what I've heard so often is that it's just so hard with the eye movement and constantly like, flooding yourself with memory, and then being able to access. And I think that for myself I shut down immediately. I've tried it a couple of times, but I've also heard about ND-affirming EMDR starting to come to the surface too, but I have not participated in it. I kind of got turned off early on in my life. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I've never tried it, I'd be curious. I think I probably would not like the flooding aspect of it. It's so experiential. I think that would be hard for me. PATRICK CASALE: That's the hardest thing I think is the experiential piece. And that's what was hard for me about brain spotting too, I don't know if you've done that, but like- MEGAN NEFF: I haven't. PATRICK CASALE: … I did the brain spotting training and I could not access like, you know, you're doing the practicums, and they're moving, you know, the thing back and forth, find the brain spot, okay? And then like, what are you experiencing? What are you accessing? I'm just like, numb, flat, dissociated, nothing. And when that happens to me in therapy I get so frustrated with myself. MEGAN NEFF: I mean, just you hearing that it makes me think of all the time someone's asked me how I'm feeling and I can't answer like, and all of the situations I've been in where like I'm in a situation and someone's trying to evoke an emotion, especially, growing up religious, I was in that situation a lot. But then also in therapy training, and being like, I feel like I'm supposed to be feeling something right now and I'm not and then I get in my head about that. Yeah, yeah. So, I think that was- PATRICK CASALE: I just [INDISCERNIBLE 00:39:29] I was like, "I want to get through this practicum." Be like, "Yeah, I'm feeling this thing, and like can we fucking move on? This is awful." MEGAN NEFF: Totally, totally. PATRICK CASALE: How about you? Like, what do you think works and what doesn't? So, do you feel like IFS is probably up there? MEGAN NEFF Yeah, I really like IFS for… especially, and I think, for multiple neurodivergent people, like I'll talk a lot about like my ADHD part and my autistic part. And so, I love the language of it. I think it destigmatizes and de-shames because it creates a little bit of distance from parts. So, like, this part of me wants this, this part of me wants this.  So, also, the ability to bring in more complex thinking, which is harder for a lot of us. We are more prone to that rigid thinking. So, I think that provides a concrete way and a visual way, which works really well for the autistic brain to do some complex, nuanced thinking. So, yeah, I love IFS.  Other ones, I do like act for a lot of autistic people, not for everyone, but a lot of people. I responded well to, like, learning act as a therapist, and I use a lot of that sort of mindfulness in my day. It's different than CBT in that you're not trying to change the thoughts, you're changing your relationship to the thoughts. So, I think it honors the complexity and the existential aspect of a lot of our thoughts while helping you to distance from them enough that you can kind of hold on to yourself and ground yourself. So, that's what I typically also think can work well.  And then, I really like interpersonal stuff because we're so often trying to figure out what the other person's thinking, that if you can do that in the room therapeutically, I think it can be really healing. It takes quite a bit of, like, ego strength or psychic strength to be able to do that. So, maybe doing some other work before you do that. But interpersonal therapy or I really like relational psychoanalysis, traditional psychoanalysis. I'm not sure how I feel about that. For autistic people, it might be too much of a blank slate of the therapist.  Relational psychoanalysis is the third wave and the assumption is the therapist and you are always co-creating the reality, and that the therapist is not off the hook. They are part of the dynamic as well. But we get to talk about it, we get to understand it, we get to look at it together with curiosity.  I think that sort of living lab of relationship, can we understand what's happening between the two of us can be so so healing because so many of us have relational trauma and confusion coming into therapy. So, I would say those four relational interpersonal act in IFS and DBT, I think, has some good strategies as well. But those would probably be my favorite ones for us. PATRICK CASALE: I like the relational psychoanalysis. I've actually never heard of that third wave. So, that's pretty cool. I couldn't deal with the blank slate psychoanalysis, like, that was a little challenging for me to be like what the fuck is happening right now? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I don't think it would cultivate enough psychological safety in the room to be able to do work because, partly, as a high masker we're always trying to tune to the other to figure out what does that person want me to be? So, with a blank slate, it's like we're flailing. So, if you could talk about it, though, so like my therapist who was relational psychoanalytic, he did hold kind of a blank slate in the beginning because he could tell how badly I was trying to figure out who he was, so I could figure out who to be. But we were able to talk about it, we were able to talk about what was happening around my, like, desire to please him or my desire to adapt to like, you know, be the ideal patient.  So, I think that if the blank slate is there, but it can be talked about, I think it's okay, but if it can't be talked about, if it's like, "Oh, well, what is it bringing up for you that you can't read me?" And if it's always reflected back to… PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, that would surely ensure that I would never come back to that person. I would be like, "Yep, all right, guess I'm done today. In 43 minutes, I'm getting the hell out of here and I'm not coming back, so…" MEGAN NEFF: Yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: What are your thoughts on CBT for autistic folks? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's so linear and logical. And our brains tend to be so divergent in context, like high context in the sense that, well, that thought in this context made sense, but it's pulling thoughts out of context to work with them, which just doesn't work for most of us. It does work for some though.  And I think, like, I've worked with some people who are autistic and not autistic, ADHD, who are maybe, like, engineers or coming from a really linear logical background who actually really like it. So, I wouldn't do a blanket slate statement of it's always bad. I do think, in general, it doesn't work well. That said, there's some things I pull from CBT like having a list of common cognitive distortions and just being able to identify like, oh, my brain's doing that right now. Now, I'm going to go in and try to change my thought. But like I'm just mindfully noticing my all-or-nothing thinking filters on right now.  I think that sort of thing can actually be really helpful. But again, that's taking a CBT idea and then using it mindfully versus let's try and change your thought you're having right now, which I just think is really invalidating for a lot of us. PATRICK CASALE: I'm glad that you named that about the folks who are maybe autistic, but not autistic, ADHD, and how if you do find yourself in like, engineering, or software design, or something that is really cognitive heavy, where your brain is just thinking very, very, very rigidly and in linearly, and thinking out these patterns, I think CBT probably makes a lot of sense in that regard. So, I'm really glad you named that. That certainly does not work for me.  MEGAN NEFF: Me either. PATRICK CASALE: Also, in general, like thought stopping to me is fucking mind-boggling. Like, just stop having this thought. It's like, that is infuriating to me. But I agree, like, if you can pick out pieces of all of these theories of modalities, I think they can all be applicable and useful.  And, again, just want to reiterate to everyone listening that none of this is blanket statement stuff. Like, there's always going to be little pieces that work for you. And you may have had great experiences with some of this stuff. And you may have had horrible experiences with some of this stuff. Ultimately, I think it circles back to what you named initially. And it is the rapport with the therapist. Like, if the rapport is there, you're going to be more willing, probably, to try new techniques, and you're probably going to be more open to them. If the rapport is not there, you're going to shut it down.  And I certainly have done that. Like, that person could be the best therapist in the world, but if the connection, and the rapport, and the relationship is non-existent, whatever you're trying to get me to do, or try to do, I am going to not be open-minded to it. I'm probably just going to be like, "Yeah, I'll try it." And again, in my head, I'm never coming back here and I'm done with this, so… MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I can't remember where I read this or heard it said, but someone talks about how, like, there's more diversity within autism than like, autistic to allistic. I'm not quite capturing what they were saying. But essentially, the idea that, like, autistic people, there's so much diversity and that's partly why someone's like, "What's the best therapy for autistic people?" It's like, well, there's a lot of different kinds of autistic people and what works well for one autistic person might not work well for another.  So, I love how you how you said that of, well, it really depends on the person and their context and comes back to that human relationship. Is this someone that you can have an authentic encounter with? PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and I think for a lot of you listening, and myself included, and I imagine for you, Megan, like, you're going to have multiple therapists throughout your life, probably. You know, you're going to go through these phases and chapters of healing, and learning, and growth, and transformation, and what you preferred, and liked, and enjoyed in the therapy room five years ago is probably very different than today. And the next therapist that you see will probably be very different than the one you're seeing right now. It just happens. And that's really common to have different phases of your mental health journey.  So, you know, if you're feeling any sort of way about that, I just want to really validate that you're going to have a lot of people in your life who are probably going to come in and out, and some that are going to stay longer than others. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely. Should we do our awkward goodbye.  PATRICK CASALE: Well- MEGAN NEFF: I can feel the energy of we're wrapping up. PATRICK CASALE: No, no, no, I'm being kind… I'm like, trying to think about something real, like we've covered a lot of ground, but like, have we talked about what not to look for? Like things where people really pay attention to and kind of acknowledging this is probably not going to be a good fit. I guess it could be everything that is opposite of what we've talked about and what we should look for, which seems pretty easy to state that. But just my thought right now is, those of you who are concerned about, or confused about, or overwhelmed with the process of finding a therapist, there are ND-affirming directories out there, too. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I've got several... We'll put them in the show notes, but I've got several on my resource page on my website. And so, if you go to neurodivergentinsights.com, I think /resources and scroll to the middle, I've got like four or five directories. There's even one for the UK, which is awesome. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, that's awesome. MEGAN NEFF: And they're growing. Like, they're growing daily. And more and more therapists who are neurodivergent are coming out as neurodivergent. So, like, also, I mean, pretty much every neurodivergent therapist right now has a long way list, but there's more of us, and it's easier to find us. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, that's a great point. I think that for those of you listening, Megan's website has so many great resources and that can be a really helpful way to do that. And if you're not in an urgent crisis, you know, if you find someone who you really want to work with, and they have a waitlist- MEGAN NEFF: Get on. PATRICK CASALE: …I recommend just get on it. You know, you never know how quickly that's going to move and it is worth the wait if you are waiting for someone specifically who really gets it, or who really can help you, or support you through your journey, and validate, and affirm because, otherwise, you're scrolling through Psychology Today, and you don't know who the fuck you're calling most of the time. I mean, it's just like, "I'm going to call the first 20 people I see and then whoever calls me back first is going to be my therapist." And that doesn't always lead to great results for the therapist or for the client. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And one thing, I think autistic people might… I know I would be this way of like, it would feel wrong to be on multiple waitlists because it's a waitlist, I don't know, maybe you're not like that. But so, I like to explicitly tell autistic people, you can be on multiple waitlist, that's actually really normal, and you should be on multiple waitlists. So, if there's a few therapists that you're thinking they might be a good fit for me, it's totally normal to be on multiple waitlists. It's part of why waitlist can go faster because by the time we call someone on the waitlist, maybe they've already found a therapist, often is the case.  PATRICK CASALE: And you're not going to hurt the therapist's feelings by being on multiple waitlists, deciding to go with whoever comes available first. That is absolutely okay. And it's totally normal, it happens all the time, the therapist is not going to get their feelings hurt by that, they're just going to move on to the next person on the waitlist. So, I know a lot of the times we can feel some guilt around stuff like that, but totally part of the process. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely.  PATRICK CASALE: Cool. Well, I hope this was helpful for everyone. And we will continue to have conversations around this because I think this is a very important topic for those of you who are looking for support. And again, lots of resources out there and we'll put those in the show notes so you have easy access to them.  And we will plan on seeing you next week. So, we have new episodes coming out all the time on all major platforms and we will see you later, bye.