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Kent Lewis grew up in the Seattle area. In college he studied business and marketing. After college he went to work for a PR agency but left to go into the digital marketing industry in 1996. Kent has formed several marketing agencies during his career. He is quite up front about challenges he faced along the way as well as what he learned from each issue he faced.   Kent's philosophy about community is quite interesting and well worth adopting. He believes very much in giving back to his community. Today his day job is serving as “Executive Director of NextNW, a non-profit trade association that unifies the Pacific Northwest advertising & marketing professionals interested in professional development, sharing best practices, and collaborative problem-solving”.   Kent gives us many relevant and timely business insights. I hope you agree that this conversation gives us some good business lessons we all can use.     About the Guest:   Kent Lewis, Executive Director, NextNW Lewis is currently Executive Director of NextNW, a non-profit trade association that unifies the Pacific Northwest advertising & marketing professionals interested in professional development, sharing best practices, and collaborative problem-solving. He is also Founder of pdxMindShare, Portland's premier career community, with over 12,000 LinkedIn Group members. With a background in integrated marketing, he left a public relations agency in 1996 to start his career in digital marketing. Since then, he's helped grow businesses by connecting his clients with their constituents online. In 2000, Lewis founded Anvil Media, Inc., a measurable marketing agency specializing in search engine and social media marketing. Under his leadership, Anvil has received recognition from Portland Business Journal and Inc. Magazine as a Fastest Growing and Most Philanthropic Company.  After selling his agency in March 2022, he became a CMO for the acquiring firm. Beyond co-founding SEMpdx, Lewis co-founded two agencies, emailROI (now Thesis) and Formic Media. As a long-time entrepreneur, he's advised or invested in a host of companies, including PacificWRO, Maury's Hive Tea and ToneTip. Lewis speaks regularly at industry events and has been published in books and publications including Business2Community, Portland Business Journal, and SmartBrief. For twenty years, he was an adjunct professor at Portland State University, and has been a volunteer instructor for SCORE Portland since 2015. Lewis tours nationwide, averaging 30 speaking engagements annually, including a regular presenter role with the Digital Summit conference series. Active in his community, Lewis has been involved in non-profit charity and professional trade organizations including early literacy program SMART Reading and The Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO).  Industry recognition and awards include Portland Business Journal's Top 40 Under 40 Award, American Marketing Association Oregon Chapter Marketer of the Year, and Top 100 Digital Marketing Influencers by BuzzSumo.   Ways to connect with Kent:   Links https://kentjlewis.com/   And LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kentlewis/     About the Host:   Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.   Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards.   https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/   accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/       Thanks for listening!   Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of unstoppable mindset. Today. We get to chat with an award winning entrepreneur, and he just told me a really interesting factoid. We'll have to, we'll have to talk about it, just because it is about one of the most fascinating things I've heard in quite a while, and a very positive thing. But I'm not going to give it away, because I'm going away, because I'm going to let him talk about it, or at least start the discussion. I'd like you all to meet Kent Lewis. Kent has been an entrepreneur for a while. He helps other entrepreneurs. He works in the non profit arena and does a variety of different kinds of things. And rather than me telling you all about it, you could read the bio, but more important, meet Kent Lewis and Kent, welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Kent Lewis ** 02:05 It's, it's a pleasure to be on the show. Thank you for having me, sir.   Michael Hingson ** 02:10 Now where are you located? I'm based in Portland, Oregon, yeah. So you're, you are up up the coast, since I'm in Southern California. So yes, you know, one of these days I'll be up that way again. Well, Alaska Airlines will fly me up there.   Kent Lewis ** 02:27 Yeah, totally right. Yeah, good   Michael Hingson ** 02:29 to have you, unless you come this way first. But anyway, well, I'm really want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset. And why don't we start? I love to do this. Tell me a little bit about kind of the early Kent growing up and all that stuff.   Kent Lewis ** 02:44 Yeah, so I grew up in Seattle, Washington. I think something that's influenced me is that my dad was is, or is, a retired architect. And so there was always this design esthetic, and he was an art collector enthusiast, I should say. And so I was always surrounded with art and mid century, you know, furniture and there's just style was a it was a thing. And then my mom was always in when she was a social worker and went into running nonprofits. And so I grew up around that as well of just giving back. So if you ever heard that common term, you know, learn, earn, return. Start your life you're learning, then you're maximizing your earnings during your career, and then when you in and around later in life, you start giving back, right, returning, right. And I learned from my mom that you never stop you never stop learning. You never stop returning. And my my mantra as an entrepreneur is never stop earning right? So, so I've always been giving back and donating my time, and I've always appreciated sort of good design and well thought out things. And I think that's influenced my career in marketing and as an entrepreneur, business owner, and now more of an advisor, Coach type,   Michael Hingson ** 03:59 well, so growing up in Seattle, did you visit pikes market very often?   Kent Lewis ** 04:04 My dad used to work right, right, like, two blocks away. So I would go there all the time. In fact, I remember when there was just one Starbucks when I was a kid, yeah, at Pike Place Market, and they used to sell large chunks of delicious, bitter sweet chocolate, I know, you know, in the behind the counter, and it was a very hi and you could smell the teas and all that. It was a very different experience, very cool place. And so, yeah, love   Michael Hingson ** 04:33 the pipe waste market. I understand that they don't throw the fish anymore. No, they do. They do. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Maybe it was just during the pandemic that they decided not to do that, but   Kent Lewis ** 04:44 think you're right about that. But they definitely, they, they're still, it's still a major attraction. It's too big of a thing to stop.   Michael Hingson ** 04:51 Wow, that's what I was thinking. And that's just way too big of a thing to to stop. My probably not the greatest fish fish catcher, I've been there, but I. I never caught a fish.   Kent Lewis ** 05:02 Yeah, that's only got, like, one or two in my life. And I don't, I don't do it much, but   Michael Hingson ** 05:08 Well, well, that's the place to go anyway. So where did you go to college?   Kent Lewis ** 05:13 I went to Western Washington University in Bellingham, uh, just 1020 minutes from the Canadian border, because, in part, when I was in school, it was a 19 year old drinking age in Canada, so I was 20 minutes away from my earlier drinking age. Turns out, I grew up going to Vancouver, BC quite often for the soccer exchange program when I was a real young youngster. So I fell in love with Vancouver, and as I've had been fortunate enough to travel the world a bit, I realized that it was one of my favorite cities, and it still is. It is such a global, amazing egalitarian, like, no matter your color, race, creed, you could be a millionaire or you could be a bus driver. There was no not the same class, classism you see in other US cities or around the rest of the world. It's truly an amazing and it's also, of course, beautiful   Michael Hingson ** 06:04 there. I found that true throughout Canada, and I've enjoyed every Canadian city I've ever been to. One of my favorites is really going to Toronto. I was always impressed as to how clean it really was.   Kent Lewis ** 06:17 You know, that's true. I've been there a couple times in conferences, and I found it to be clean and impressive, you know, and then, but my, one of my favorite, other cities I only spent overnight, there was Montreal. What a beautiful, beautiful place, absolutely stunning. I   Michael Hingson ** 06:35 spent two days in Montreal once when I was selling some products and turn the TV on at 1131 morning that I was there and watched the Flintstones in French. That was unique. That was unique. Cool. How cool is that? Yeah, it's awesome. That was kind of fun. But, you know, so you, you went to college. What did you major in?   Kent Lewis ** 06:58 I majored in business with a marketing concentration, which is great because I ended up doing marketing for a career, and for 22 years ran my own agency, or my own business, basically.   Michael Hingson ** 07:10 So what did you do when you got out of college?   Kent Lewis ** 07:14 I went immediately into the world of public relations agency life. I always wanted to be a found out after college that I, what I really wanted to be was a copywriter, you know, writing ads. I just coolest thing as a kid. I just didn't know that. It's, I didn't realize what it, what it you have to go to Ad School. You can't, you can't graduate regular college and become a copier. At least you weren't able to when I was, you know, back in the mid 90s. So I started in PR because it sounded hard to pitch the media and try and get them to say what you want them to say about your brand, your client and your brand. And that did me well, because when I got in from went from PR in 94 to digital marketing, SEO, search engine optimization 96 my PR background was extremely helpful. You know, in in that, in that whole world. So because doing PR builds Domain Authority, which builds your rankings in Google, and the rest is history. So, so it was very helpful. It gave me a bit of an edge. And then my business background meant I was better equipped to to go from doing the work to managing people, they're doing the work, to doing my own thing, you know, and running a instant running team, I was running a business. So that was super cool. You   Michael Hingson ** 08:38 know, it's interesting. I've especially because of the World Trade Center, but not only, but before it as well, I learned a lot about dealing with the press. And I've, I've watched a lot of press interviews today, and it's, it's amazing how often and then people have said that this is the way you should do it. No matter what the press person asks you, you answer with the with the answer you really want to give, whether you answer their questions or not. And I think that's an interesting approach, and I suppose it can be positive, but especially for for politicians who don't want to answer the tough questions. But I I know that for me, I've always tried to structure my answers in such a way that it gets them to take the question that they originally asked that I might sort of answer and reframe it so that I will answer a lot of times that, for example, talking about blindness and blind people, there are just so many misconceptions about it and and all too often, like first time I was on Larry King lives, Larry was asking questions about guide dogs. And he said, Now, where did you get your guide dog? And I said, from San Rafael, California. He said, well, but the but the main. School is a new is in Michigan, right? And I said, No, it's a different organization. And what we learned after doing that interview was that the way to deal with Larry was to program him and send him questions in advance with answers. Then he did a lot better, because the reality is, he didn't really know necessarily the answers in the first place. It's just amazing how you know how a lot of times it's just shallower. The Press tends to over dramatize. But I appreciate what you're saying about marketing and PR, I've done so much of that over my lifetime, and for so many reasons, in so many ways, I know exactly what you're talking about.   Kent Lewis ** 10:47 Yeah, yeah. That's, yeah, it's, it's a fascinating world that I've, that I've, you know, been live, living and working in. And I, yeah, I'm impressed, yeah, Larry King Live. That's pretty cool. And, you know, hopefully you've helped people just side note, you know, get a clear understanding of what it is, what it is both like to be blind and then how you navigate this world successfully, as if you're, you know, fully sighted. You know,   Michael Hingson ** 11:18 well, one of the things that I actually learned over the last couple of years is something that I've actually written an article and had it published about, and that is that we've got to change our view of disabilities in general. People always say, well, disability is a lack of ability. And I say, and I always say, No, it's not. And they say, Well, yes, it is. It begins with dis. And I said, then, how do you equate that with disciple, discern and discrete? For example, you know they begin with D is the reality is, disability is not a lack of ability. You think it is. But I've added to that now when I point out that, in reality, every person on the planet has a disability, but for most people, their disability is covered up. Thomas Edison invented the electric light bulb, or at least we give him credit for it back in 1878 so for the last 147 years, all we've done is spent so much time improving on the technology that provides light on demand, which just covers up your disability, but it's still there. And I realized that one day I was at a hotel in Los Angeles at three in the afternoon when we had a power failure, and everybody started to scream, even down in the lobby, when they had all these nice big windows that were letting in all sorts of light, but it wasn't giving them the light that they wanted and the amount that they wanted, and people panicked. So I realized then, oh, well, now the reality is they're light dependent, which is as much a disability as my light independence is. It's just that it manifests itself differently, and there are a whole lot more light dependent people than light independent people. But we've got to really change our definition and how we view it. So   Kent Lewis ** 12:58 that's really insightful. It's good to think about.   Michael Hingson ** 13:01 Yeah, it's kind of fun. But, you know, so, so where did you, where did you go off and go to work in the in the marketing world? So you did? You didn't go to Copyright School? Or did you? No, no,   Kent Lewis ** 13:13 I just know. I once I talked to the creative director at this agency in Seattle where I did my first internship. He's like, Yeah, you'd have to go back to art school. And I was like, what school I just finished? So, you know, it didn't really matter. And we So, with that said, we, you know, I moved into PR, and then I moved to down to Portland from Seattle, because I could actually get a paying job because the internship I did three months full time, virtually, basically no pay, I found a low paying job instead in Portland. So I moved I only knew one person here in Portland, my cousin. She's still here. We both have families now, and I know a lot more people, but I basically have, since moving here to do my second agency job. I've been, I've been a part of 10 agencies in my career. I've been, I founded two, co founded two, fired from three and exited the four that I created, or co, co founded, basically. And so right now I have a consultancy. I could say that's my 11th agency, but I don't even really count it as an agency. I'm just a fractional CMO, you know, marketing advisor at this point, just a few hours a month, because my my day job as of January, is running a nonprofit called next northwest.org which is a it's a trade organization for marketing and advertising and creative community, the creative services world. And it has 119 year history in Portland. And now it's, it's now expanded to five states and into Canada. And so I've got this I'm working. I manage a board of, you know, decent sized board, and a decent sized advisory. Committee that I created, and just the last couple months, and we do learning events for the creative community and networking events and celebrations, like, you know, awards, award shows to celebrate the work. So that's kind of my day job. And then I also speak and write a lot you and I share a passion for for education and learning and sharing knowledge. And so I've been, I've probably averaged 25 speaking engagements a year for the last 20 years, and last year was 30. For instance, I fly yours, mentioned your your travel. I'm flying to Tampa on Sunday to present on Monday, on a panel about AI in the senior care space, for instance. And then I come back and I, I, you know, got it. I got one or two more. But I, you know, I typically do a dozen fly flying gigs, and then I do a lot of webinars and local gigs as well.   Michael Hingson ** 15:55 So what are you what are you going to say? What are you going to say about AI in the senior care space?   Kent Lewis ** 16:01 That's a great question. So what my focus as a marketer is, here's how you can use AI to streamline and automate and maintain or improve quality. So it's not meant to it's not a secret hack, cheat code to lay people off. It's a It's get more out of your current resources, basically, and do more with less, and do it more effectively. That's kind of, that's, you know, that's my, what I'll be talking about is the how you know how to use it for research, ideation, content creation, content editing, reporting, synthesizing information, customer service, that kind of thing. So I only have, you know, it's a panel event, so I'm only doing like a 10 to 15 minutes part, and then there are other presenters doing their part, and then we have a little Q and A, usually, I'm a sole presenter on whatever topic, usually digital marketing or employee engagement, which is what I got passionate about. Once I sold my agency. After 22 years, I became an employee at that the agency that acquired my company, and I was immediately underwhelmed and disappointed in what it was like to be an employee, and wanted to fix it. So that's what I had been focusing on when I given a choice. I want to evangelize. You know, what I learned from my experience, and I've done a good amount of research, and, you know, two weeks ago, I presented in Portland on the topic to entrepreneurs. Then the next day, I flew to Denver and did the same presentation to a group of agency owners. And then the next day, I did a webinar for similar group of entrepreneurs, you know, so three versions, three days in a row, a 3060, and 90 minute version. So,   Michael Hingson ** 17:42 pretty fun. Yeah. So how many books have you written?   Kent Lewis ** 17:47 Ah, I knew you'd say that so or ask that. I have not written any books, but I have, darn but I've written, you know, probably 200 articles. I could easily AI them into some sort of book, if I wanted to. You know, I went from writing 80% to 90% of my art content was on digital marketing for the first 20 years. And then the last 10 years, I focused almost exclusively on writing about entrepreneurship and and business ownership, leadership and employee intention, retention, engagement. And, you know, so I mostly syndicate my articles, like business journals, occasionally in Ink Magazine, etc. So if I were to write a book, it would be about the business side of things, instead of the second, I would write something about digital marketing. Not only am I no longer an expert, and consider myself an expert relative to others, those books are outdated the second they're printed, right? So, so it doesn't make sense to really write a book on digital marketing, and everything's already been said, etc. So, so if I wrote a book, it would be probably more on the employee engagement side versus anything. But I will say that I don't know if you know who Seth Godin is. He's the number one marketing blogger in the world. He's written many best sellers, Purple Cow, permission, marketing, etc. He's remarkable guy. And I had was fortunate to talk with him and then meet with him over lunch in New York City 15 years ago. And he said, after our two hour lunch, he charges $75,000 for speaking engagement. So it gives you a sense of who he is. He has for for 20 years. And so he said, Kent, you've got a book in you. I was like, I wish you hadn't said that, because now I don't want to, I don't want to disappoint him, right? So there you go.   Michael Hingson ** 19:31 Well, if you write one at some point, you have to send us a picture of the cover and we'll stick it in the show notes whenever. Yeah, that sounds great, but yeah, I you know, I never thought of writing a book, but in 2002 we went to the AKC Eukanuba canine championship dog show in Orlando. It was in December, and among other people I met there. Here I met George Berger, who was at that time, the publisher of the American Kennel Club Gazette, and he said, You ought to write a book. And I went, why? Well, because you you have a great story to tell. You should really write a book. Well, it took eight years and a lot of time sitting in front of Microsoft Word to get notes down, but eventually I met someone named Susie Flory who called because she was writing a book called Dog tails. And it was a story of what she wanted to write stories of, actually, 17 different dogs who had done some pretty interesting and miraculous things. And she wanted to write a story about my guide dog at the World Trade Center, Roselle. And she said, Tell me your story, if you would. And I did. And when we were done, there was this pause, and then she said, You need to write a book. And since I've written books, I'll help you. And a year later, underdog was published, and it became a number one New York Times bestseller. So that was pretty cool.   Kent Lewis ** 21:01 That's fantastic. Congratulations. Very impressive.   Michael Hingson ** 21:04 And then last year, well, in 2013 we published a children's book called running with Roselle, but more adults by a thing kids, because it's not a picture book, but it tells the story of me growing up and Roselle growing up, and how we met, and all that. So it isn't really as much a World Trade Center book. But then last year, we wrote, live like a guide dog. And the intent of live like a guide dog is to say to people, look fear is all around us, and so many people just allow themselves to be paralyzed, or, as I say, blinded by fear, so they can't make decisions. They don't learn how to control it. But if you learn how to control fear, you can use fear as a very powerful tool to help you stay focused, and you'll make better decisions. So we use lessons I learned from my guide dogs on my wife's service dog to write, live like a guide dog. And so it is out there, and it's it's a lot of fun, too. So you know, it isn't the easiest thing to write a book, but I would think you have a book in you, and you should, well, I   Kent Lewis ** 22:03 appreciate that vote of confidence. And hey, I mean, you did it, and you had an amazing story, and you've done it multiple times. Actually, it's great inspiration for me.   Michael Hingson ** 22:16 Well, I'm looking forward to reading it when it comes out. You'll have to let   22:20 us know. Yeah, will do so   Michael Hingson ** 22:23 you at some point, switched from being an employee to being an entrepreneur. How did that all happen? Why? Why did you do it? Or what really brought that about?   Kent Lewis ** 22:38 Well, I kept getting fired.   Michael Hingson ** 22:40 So why'd that happen?   Kent Lewis ** 22:42 Yeah, so that's the fun part. So I I've never been fired for cause like a legit clause. I'm a high powered, high performer, and so I actually, that's why. So the first time I was fired was by the guy that invited me to co found an agency. His name was Ryan Wilson. He was my he was my boss. And then he was fired by our larger agency. He ran a team that I worked on. I worked for him. I was inspired by him. I I was mentored by him. I thought the world of him. So when he came to me three months after he got fired, it was about, it's always about a girl. So he he basically, he got divorced. And so this other woman, they met at the office, and they were soul mates, and they he had to clean up his life. And he did, and he said, I've got an agency die. I've got two clients ready to sign. I need key employees, and you're one, one of them, then I would hope you would join me. I said, No, the first time he got his act together. I said, yes, the second time, and that. So I we built an agency together with, you know, we start with six people. I brought in two other people and another gal that ran the PR side. I was running the digital side. She brought in somebody said we had six of us on day one, and a year later, we didn't have a formal share shareholder agreement for our percentage of the company that went from being worth zero to being worth a few million dollars, and we felt that we should have something in writing, and before he could, we could get something formally in writing. My, my other partner, she, I didn't really want to do the business with her, but I didn't really have a choice. I want to do the business with him. She said, I'm asking for more equity. I said, Okay, I feel like that's fair. I think we've earned it, but, and I'll, I'll be there with you, but I wouldn't have done this if she hadn't said, I'm going in. Are you with me? So when I we asked, she asked me to make the ask. I wasn't necessarily prepared or thinking about it, and it really offended him. He was really mad, and he was playing to fire her, and by me teaming up with her, he felt, you know, slight. And he fired us both, and the next week, I started anvil, my agency, Anvil Media, that I ran for 22 years, I did a couple other starts, one with a college friend and a guy I had met at that that at one of the first, one of the earlier agency agencies I'd worked at. He and we, he and I and my college buddy started an email marketing agency in 02 and then I decided, well, this isn't for me, but I now learn it's not that scary to hire employees. So then I started hiring employees at anvil and late 03 and so I ran anvil with employees for, you know, 20 years. Two of those first two years were just me and some contractors and and then, oh, wait, I started a second agency because I needed a more affordable solution for my partners in small business called Formic media. Ran that for five years before I merged it with with anvil. But in between, I was also fired. When I first started anvil, I was it was just a hang of shingle in 2000 to do some consulting, but I wanted a full time gig, and a year later, I had an opportunity to run my my team from the agency. I was fired from that company. That agency was sold to another agency for pennies on the dollar. And when my old boss died, rest in peace, we hadn't really cleared the air yet, which is it still is one of my greatest regrets. You know, for nine months we didn't talk, and then he passed away. Everybody peace, not before he passed away, I was able to get, yeah, his his soul mate. They weren't married yet, but they were going to get married. She told me that two weeks before he died, he expressed regrets and how we had ended the relationship, how he had fired me, and he was looking forward to reconnecting and re engaging our friendship. And so that made that meant the world to me. I had a lot of peace in knowing that, but I so the first the second place I got fired was this agency again about a girl. So the first time was a girl telling me, you need to ask the boss for more money or more equity. And I did, and that offended him. And the second time was my girlfriend at the time, who's who moved over from that agency to the new agency where my my old boss died before he could really start there. She was dating on the side the Creative Director at that agency, and he'd been there over 20 years. And so when I started there, I saw something was up, and I was like, Is there anything going on? She's like, No. And so eventually I just broke up with her anyway, because I just it wasn't working, even if she wouldn't admit that she was having a side relationship. But I was eventually fired because he was a board, you know, he was on the board. He was, he wasn't my boss, per se, but he was one of the senior partners, and they just wanted me out. You know, she might have money. Wanted me out. He definitely wanted me out. So that was the second time I got fired. And then the third time I got fired was it kept the stakes get given, getting bigger. When I sold my agency 14 months later, they fired me, really, not to this day, not for any cause. It's that they asked me to take an 80% pay cut a year into my buyout, and I and then I they were going to close my Portland office, which I was, I own the building, so I didn't want to lose my own myself as a tenant, so I offered to reduce my rent 30% so I basically, for two and a half months, worked for free for this agency that had bought my agency. So they were making payments to me. I was carrying the note, but they they couldn't. A year later, they're like, I'm sorry. So they a year later, I took a pay cut for two and a half months, and when I asked them, you know, when am I getting back to my pay? They said, Well, you know, we can't guarantee. We don't have a path for you back to your full pay. And I was like, Okay, well, then I told my wife, let him inform them that we're going to go back to, we are going to go back to our full rack rate on our rent. And when I, when we notified them, they they totally, they totally fired me. So they canceled the lease, and they fired me, and so they so it. And you know, I, my team was slowly being dismantled, a 10 of us, 11 of us, I guess 10 or 11 us went over, and within a year, there were only two wait. Within two years, there was only one person left on my team. So it was a really sad, sad experience for me. It wasn't as hard to sell my business as I thought. It wasn't as hard, you know, just emotionally, it wasn't as hard to sunset my brand after 22 years. Wasn't easy, but it was way easier than I thought. What was hard for me was watching them was was closing the office. It broke my heart and and then watching them dismantle my team that I spent, you know, two decades building, most of that team was within 10 years, the last 10 years, last even five years of of our business. Us. There was a relatively new team, but we were so tight, and it was just heartbreaking. So, you know,   Michael Hingson ** 30:09 yeah, wow. So what do you think was your biggest mistake in running your own agency?   Kent Lewis ** 30:19 That's a great question. I think the biggest, biggest mistake was not understanding the Hire great people and get out of the way. Lee Iacocca, you know, to paraphrase him, I hired great people and I got out of their way. But what I didn't do was make sure they had all the proper training, alignment of core values that they had, there was enough trust between us that they could come to me with they were struggling or failing. Apparently, I was a fairly intimidating figure for my former my young recruits, but most of that time, up until the last five years, I always had a senior VP my right hand. I hired her with the attention that she might take over the business someday, she was totally creating a wall between me and my employees, and I didn't know it until 2012 and so, you know, I had 10 years to try to undo what she had created the first 10 years, basically of a fear based management style, so that that didn't help me, and I didn't believe it. I didn't really see it. So then I rebuilt the company, and from the ground up, I blew it up in 2013 so 10 years after of having employees, 13 years of having the business, I completely dismantled and blew it up and rebuilt it. And what did that look like? It started with me just not wanting to go to work in the building, and I realized I can't quit because I'm the owner, so I have to fix it. Okay? I don't mind fixing things. I prefer to fix other people's problems instead of my own, but I really a lot of people do, right? Yeah. So I wrote a credo, basically, what would it take for me? What are, what are it got down to 10 truths, what? What are the truths that I need to go into work and that others around me, co workers, team members, need to also agree on so that we can work together successfully. So it went from being about clients to being about the team and being about accountability. And you know, it was so it was so decisive. It was so radical for my current team that had been with me five to 10 years of they lose clients, I get more clients. And I eventually told them, I can't replace clients as fast as you're losing them. It's not a sustainable business model, so you need to be accountable for your actions and your decisions. That's the new anvil. You and you're out. I gave them 72 hours to think about it and sign it. Signed literally to these credo. It's not a legal document, it's just a commitment to credo. And half the team didn't sign it, and they quit. And then within 12 months, the rest of the team either quit or we've I fired them because they did not fit in the new anvil. And it's funny because everybody else that I brought in didn't even it didn't even register. The credo was so unremarkable to them, because we were already aligned by the time we hired them, we'd done our research and the work to know who fit, and so they didn't register. So eventually we just dropped the credo was no longer needed as a guide or a framework. It's still on the website, but, but you don't, you know it doesn't really matter. But that's what I got wrong, is I did not build the trust. I did not have I had processes in place, but but without the trust, people wouldn't tell me how they felt or that they were struggling. So a lot of process wasn't recognized or utilized properly. So I rebuilt it to where and rebuilt the trust to where the team that was with me when I sold I was very close with them. There was 100% trust across the board, a mutual respect, arguably a mutual love for the craft, for each other, for the company, for our clients, and it was a lot of fun to work with them. I didn't sell because I was unhappy. I sold because I was happy, and I thought now's a good time to go and find a good home. Plus my wife was my operations manager for five years, and she wanted out. Frankly, I thought it was easier to sell the business than try to replace my wife, because she was very good at what she did. She just didn't like doing it, yeah? And she also didn't like, you know, me being her boss. I never saw it that way. But once she explained it, after I sold, she explained, like, you know, you boss me around at work, and then you try to boss me around at home, and I'm not having it. You pick one? Yeah, so, so I was like, I think, like, I bossed you around. And she's like, Hey, you just, it was your company. It was always going to be your company. And, you know, that's fine, but you know, I want to move on. I was like, Okay, why don't we just sell and so that, yeah, they the operational people. And so it took her, took that load off of her. She's worked for. Nonprofit now, so she's happy, and so that's good.   Michael Hingson ** 35:05 Well, it also sounds like there were a lot of people that well, first of all, you changed your your view and your modus operandi a little bit over time, and that's why you also got you fired, or you lost people. But it also sounds like what you did was you brought in more people, not only who thought like you, but who really understood the kinds of goals that you were looking at. And so it was a natural sort of thing. You brought in people who really didn't worry about the credo, because they lived by it anyway.   Kent Lewis ** 35:38 Yeah, that's exactly right. And that was, that was my lesson. Was, you know, I always knew there's a concept called Top grading. You know, you thoroughly vet client, you hire slow and you fire fast. Most entrepreneurs or business owners hire fast and fire slow, and it's very, very expensive and but, you know, I got that part and I just better. I was far better at, I was far better at, what would I say, creating processes than kind of feeling, the love? And so once I figured that stuff out, it got a lot it got a lot better.   Michael Hingson ** 36:16 It's a growth thing. Yes,   36:18 exactly, yeah. Well, you   Michael Hingson ** 36:21 have something, and you sent me something about it. You call it Jerry Maguire moment. Tell me about that.   Kent Lewis ** 36:28 Yeah. So that's, you know, I just, I just sort of backed into the story of just being unhappy. But what ended up happening more specifically that Jerry Maguire moment was putting my son to bed in March of 2013 and I mentioned that feeling of not of dread. I didn't want to go to work. I was frustrated with my team, disappointed in my clients, not appreciating the work we were doing, frustrated with some of my partners. You know, in the business, I felt disconnected from the work of digital because I'd worked on the business for longer than I'd worked in the business by that point, and so I just, it was, it was, I was a bit of a mess. And I realized, like, I need a reason to get up and go to work in the morning. And that's when I came up. I was inspired by Jerry Maguire's manifesto from from the movie, and apparently you can find it online. It's a 28 page manifesto. So I ended up distilling into those 10 truths that we called the credo, and so what happening is just again to recap, it took me a like a couple days. I had instant clarity. I like I fell asleep like a rock. Once I realized I had a plan and I had a framework, I felt better about it, even though there was much work to do. So as I mentioned, you know, half the team quit within the first week, the other half bled out over the next year. That meant 100% employee turnover for two years in a row. As like as I upgraded my team, that was painful. I had to hire three people in order to keep one good one. You know, as I as I search, because we don't have formal degrees in the world of digital marketing, right? So it's hard to find the talent, and you want to hold on to the good ones when you get them. So it took a long time to get the team dialed. Meanwhile, my clients got tired of the turnover. As I was trying to figure it out, they started leaving in droves, and so in 2014 in March, a year later, exactly, I lost my five biggest clients in a 30 to 45 day period. So I lost, you know, 40, over 40% of my revenue vaporized, and I could not replace it fast enough. So I didn't take a salary for nine months. I asked two senior execs to take small pay cuts like 10% and as we hunkered down, and so I didn't have to lay off any good talent, and so I didn't, and we sprinted, we rebuilt, you know, the pipeline, and brought some new clients in. By the end of the year, I paid back my my two senior employees, their 10% that they pay cut. I paid them back, but I didn't take a salary for nine months of that year. It was the worst year I'd ever had, and the only time I ever had to take a pay cut or miss a paycheck myself. So that was the price I paid. The plus side is once I realized that the focus should be on the employees, which was what the credo was, I didn't realize at the time that it wasn't about my clients anymore. They were the life blood. They were the blood flow, right? But we have this organism that needed love, so we I breathe life back into it, one employee at a time until we had a higher functioning group. So it took me five or six years, and in 2019 so six years after I blew the business up, I had an offer on the table, had a sale agreement finalized, and we were less than a week away from funding, and I backed out of the deal because I felt, one, it wasn't a good cultural fit, and two, there was more work to do. It wasn't about increasing my valuation more. It was about finishing my journey of an employee first agency and. Three years later, I sold for one and a half x higher multiple, so an additional seven figures to to another agency based on a stronger profitability, even though the revenue is about the same, stronger, you know, profitability right better. Happy clients, stable clients. It was a lower risk acquisition for them and the so that was the high point. The low point was becoming an employee and wanting to be the best damn employee that agency had ever seen to being a very disappointed, disengaged, disheartened, disheartened employee. And I then I decided I started writing notes of everything, not to do that they were doing wrong. And I decided, once they let me go, I need to focus on this. I think I needed to help my other fellow entrepreneurs ways to avoid going through what I went through as an employee, because I had just been one, and most of my employ, my entrepreneur friends, haven't been an employee for over 10 years. You easily, quickly forget what it's like to be an employee, and I want to remind them and as other senior leaders, how important it is to put your employees first, otherwise you can never deliver on your brand promise no matter what it is, because they won't deliver to your standards. Because it's you know, they don't feel the same attachment to a business if they as if they're not owners, right?   Michael Hingson ** 41:22 But it sounds like you also, when you did sell, by that time, you had employees, one who had bought into the credo, into the philosophy, and two were satisfied. So it was a much better situation all the way around. Anyway,   Kent Lewis ** 41:38 exactly. It's right? And that's, that's the thing is, I realized it's not about throwing money at a problem. It's about throwing time and care at a problem. And the problem is that most employers, there is no loyalty employ to employees anymore, and therefore there's no employee loyalty to brands anymore, to their employers. And so I'm trying to unwind that. And it's not about pension plans, per se. It's not about bonuses, really at all. That's one of 120 items on my punch list of auditing and employee journey is, yeah, do you have a bonus program? Mine was basically spot bonuses, little spot bonuses for timely things, because the big cash bonuses blew up in my face. You know, i i the biggest bonus check I ever wrote. The next day he quit and created a competing agency. Now, he had planned that all along it, the bonus was only helped him do it faster, but I realized there was no appreciation for the bonuses. So stop doing that. So instead, I would bonus, reward the team with experiences rather than cash. And they the cash they got from a really, I paid over market, so that money was not an issue, and so that experiences were the memorable part and the fun part, and it helped motivate when we'd have a little contest with, you know, the wind being a dinner or whatever it was, something fun, right?   Michael Hingson ** 43:00 I was, earlier today, talking with someone who's going to be a guest on the podcast. He's in Germany, and we were talking about the fact that there's a major discussion in Germany right now about the concept of a four day work week, as opposed to a five day work week, and in the four day work week. Inevitably, companies that subscribe to the four day work week have higher productivity, happier employees, and some of those companies have a four day work week with a total of 36 hours and up through a four day work week with 40 hours, which is, of course, 10 hours a day. And what he said, I asked the question, did it make a difference as to whether it was 36 or 40 hours? What he said was mainly not, because it was really about having three days with family, and that that whole mental attitude is really it that we, we have forgotten, I think, in this country, about employee loyalty so much, and we just don't see anything like what we used to see.   Kent Lewis ** 44:09 100% you are correct,   Michael Hingson ** 44:13 and so it is. It is an issue that people really ought to deal with in some way. But you know now the new chancellor in Germany wants to go back to a five day work week, just completely ignoring all the statistics and what's shown. So the discussion is ongoing over there. I'll be interested to see how it goes.   Kent Lewis ** 44:36 Yeah, yeah, totally. I would be in Troy. Yeah. We know for whatever reason, for whatever reason that they've you know that well, I guess it kind of makes sense. But you know, you wouldn't think you could be more productive fewer days a week, but the research is showing that these people, that you know, that the like the Northern Europeans, are the, you know, Finnish and Scandinavians are like the half. People on the planet, despite not being in maybe the friendliest climate, you know, 12 months of the year because of a lot of how they value, you know, work life balance and all of that. And I think that's the thing, you know, we we came from an industrial age where unions got us the weekends off. You know, it's a very different we've come a long way, but there's still a lot more to go, so I, I will be interested to see what happens with the with that concept that four day work week.   Michael Hingson ** 45:26 Well, the other part about it is we had the pandemic, and one of the things that came out of the pandemic, at least, I think, in the minds of a lot of employees, was even working at home, and having to do that, you still got to spend more time with family and people value that. Now I don't know how over time that's going to work, because I know there's been a lot of advocating to go back to just everybody always being in the office, but it seems to me that the better environment would be a hybrid environment, where, if somebody can work at home and do at least as well as they do at the office. Why wouldn't you allow that?   Kent Lewis ** 46:04 Right? Yeah, I think it's that's the other thing is, I do believe hybrid work is the best solution. We were doing three three days, two days in the office, required, one day, optional flex. I ended up going in most days of the week before I, you know, even after we sold and we sell at the office, because I like, I'm a social being, and I really enjoyed the time at the office. And it was, it was, I designed the space, and it was, you know, as my place, and it was my home away from home, you know. So I feel like I've lost a little bit of my identity, losing that office. Yeah, so, but yeah, I do think that it makes sense to be able to do remote work, whatever, wherever people are most effective. But I do know there is a reality that companies are fully remote have a struggle to create cohesiveness and connectiveness across distributed teams. It's just it's just science, right? Psychology, but you can be very intentional to mitigate as much as you can the downside of remote and then play up as much as you can the benefits of remote people having their life and they see, on average, I heard that people valued their remote work about to worth about $6,000 on average, that there's a number that they've quantified.   Michael Hingson ** 47:21 Wow. Well, I know I've worked in offices, but I've also done a lot of work at home. So for example, I had a job back in the late 1970s and worked and lived in Massachusetts until 1981 and the company I worked for was being pursued by Xerox. And the the assumption was that Xerox was going to buy the company. So I was asked to relocate back out to California, where I had grown up, and help integrate the company into Xerox. And so I did. And so that was the first time I really worked mostly out of home and remotely from an office. And did that for two and a half, almost, well, a little over two and a half years. And my thanks for it was I was terminated because we had a recession and the big issue really was, though, that Xerox had bought the company and phased out all the people in sales because they didn't want the people. They just wanted the technology. And I've always believed that's a big mistake, because the tribal knowledge that people have is not something that you're going to get any other place. Totally, totally agree. But anyway, that occurred, and then I couldn't find a job, because the unemployment rate among employable blind people was so high, since people didn't believe blind people could work. So I ended up starting my own company selling computer aided design systems, CAD systems, to architects. Some of the early PC based CAD systems. Sold them to architects and engineers and so on. So I did have an office. We started, I started it with someone else, and had an office for four years, and then decided I had enough of owning my own company for a while, and went to work for someone else, and again, worked in an office and did that for seven years. Yeah, about seven years, and then I ended up in at the end of that, or the later part of that time, I was asked to relocate now back to the East Coast, because I was selling to Wall Street and New York and Wall Street firms really want, even though they might buy from resellers and so on, they want company, companies that make products to have them an office that they can deal with. So I ended up going back and mostly worked out of the office. But then, um. I left that company in 1997 and it was, it was a little bit different, because I was, I I had my own office, and I was the only person in it for a little while. We did have some engineers, but we all kind of worked in the office and sometimes at home. But for me, the real time of working at home happened in 2008 I was working at a nonprofit and also traveling and speaking, and the people who ran the nonprofit said, nobody's interested in September 11 anymore. And you know, you're you're not really adding any value to what we do, so we're going to phase out your job. Yeah, nobody was interested in September 11. And three years later, we had a number one New York Times bestseller, but anyway, your face yeah, so I ended up opening the Michael Hinkson Group Inc, and working out of home, and I've been doing that ever since. I enjoy working in an office. But I can work at home and I can, I can adapt. So my exposure to people and working not at home is when I travel and speak and get to go visit people and interact with them and so on. So it works out   Kent Lewis ** 51:05 that's, that's fantastic, congratulations. That's awesome.   Michael Hingson ** 51:10 It is, it is, you know, sometimes a challenge, but it works. So for you, what is your philosophy? You obviously do a lot of giving back to the community nowadays, is that something that has kind of grown over time, or you always had that? Or what's your philosophy regarding that?   Kent Lewis ** 51:29 So I I believe that, as I mentioned, I believe earlier that learn and return us. I believe that you should giving, giving back your entire life, as soon as you're able to, in whatever way. And so I, you know, when I first moved to Portland, I barely knew anybody. I was volunteering at this local neighborhood house where it was, you know, as tutoring this kid, and ironically, in math. And I'm terrible at math. Then I went to Big Brothers, Big Sisters for a while, and then I for the last 19 for last 25 years, I've been a volunteer, and for eight or nine of those years, I was on the board of smart reading. It's a, it's a, it's not a literacy program in that you're not teaching kids to read. You're teaching kids a love of reading. So you just sit with, you know, title, title, one school kindergarteners in an area near you, and you sit and read with them for 10 to 15 minutes, that's it. And it's a game changer, because some of them didn't own any books. And then they get to take books home with them, you know, like scholastic style books. So anyway, I I decided, of all, like I have friends, that their their passion is pets, others, it's like forests or planet or whatever. To me, I think I can, I can solve all of those problems if I invest in children, because they're shaping our future, and we can put them on a trajectory. So for instance, statistically, prison capacity is based on third grade reading levels in blue. So if you're if you can't learn to read, you can't read to learn, so you need to have a be a proficient reader by third grade, or you're left behind, and you're more likely, 10 times more likely, to be in the system, and you know, not in a good way. So I realized, well, if I can help these kids with a love of reading, I was, I was slow to learn reading myself. I realized that maybe we, you know that one kid that you find a love of reading, that finds books they love and is inspired by the books and continues to read and have a successful educational career, then that's that person may go on to solve cancer or world hunger or whatever it is. So that's kind of how I look at so that's my theory in general about giving. And then specifically my passion is children. So that's kind of my thing, and I think there are a lot of different ways to do it. Last night, I was at my wife's auction or the fundraiser for her nonprofit, which is around the foster system. It's called Casa court, important court, court appointed special advocate. So these kids in the foster system have an advocate, that that's not a lawyer or a caseworker, you know, by their side through the legal system. And I think that's a fantastic cause. It aligns with my children cause. And I was, I had seven my parents fostered seven daughters, you know, Daughters of other people, and the last two were very that I remember were transformative for me as an only child, to have a sister, you know, foster sister that was living with us for, in one case, two years. And it was invaluable and helpful to me. She helped me find my love of reading, helped me learn my multiplication tables, all that things that your parents might be able to do, but it's so much cooler doing with somebody that's, you know, I think she was 17 when she moved into our house, and I was, like, nine, and she was so helpful to me, so inspiring. So in a nutshell, that's, that's what we're talking about   Michael Hingson ** 54:55 when you talk talk about reading. I'm of the opinion and one of the best. Things that ever happened to reading was Harry Potter. Just the number of people, number of kids who have enjoyed reading because they got to read the Harry Potter books. I think that JK Rowling has brought so many kids to reading. It's incredible.   Kent Lewis ** 55:14 Yeah, yeah. 100% 100% I Yeah. I think that even you may, you know, you may or may not like rolling, but I as a person, but she did an amazing thing and made reading fun, and that that's what matters, yeah, you know,   Michael Hingson ** 55:33 yeah, well, and that's it, and then she's just done so much for for children and adults. For that matter, I talked to many adults who've read the books, and I've read all the books. I've read them several times, actually, yeah, now I'm spoiled. I read the audio versions read by Jim Dale, and one of my favorite stories about him was that he was in New York and was going to be reading a part of the latest Harry Potter book on September 11, 2001 in front of scholastic when, of course, everything happened. So he didn't do it that day, but he was in New York. What a you know, what a time to be there. That's fantastic. But, you know, things happen. So you one of the things that I've got to believe, and I think that you've made abundantly clear, is that the kind of work you do, the PR, the marketing, and all of that kind of interaction is a very time consuming, demanding job. How do you deal with work and family and make all of that function and work? Well,   Kent Lewis ** 56:41 good question. I, I believe that that the, well, two things you have to have, you know, discipline, right? And so what I've done is really focused on managing my time very, very carefully, and so I have now keep in mind my oldest, I have three kids, one's graduating college as a senior, one's a sophomore who will be a junior next next year, and then The last is a sophomore in high school, so I'm there at ages where two are out of the house, so that's a little easier to manage, right? So there's that, but similarly, I try to maximize my time with my youngest and and with my wife, you know, I built in, you know, it was building in date nights, because it's easy to get into a rut where you don't want to leave the house or don't want to do whatever. And I found that it's really been good for our relationship at least once a month. And so far, it's been more like almost twice a month, which has been huge and awesome. But I've just intentional with my time, and I make sure 360 I take care of myself, which is typically working out between an hour and an hour and a half a day that I'm I really need to work on my diet, because I love burgers and bourbon and that's in moderation, perhaps sustainable, but I need to eat more veggies and less, you know, less garbage. But I also have been at the gym. I go in the Steam Room and the sauna, and I'm fortunate to have a hot tub, so I try to relax my body is after my workouts, I've been sleeping more since covid, so I work out more and sleep and sleep more post covid. And because I'm working from home, it's really I find it much easier to get up and take breaks or to, you know, just to manage my time. I'm not traveling like I used to, right? That's a, that's a big factor. So, so anyway, that's, that's kind of my take on that. I don't know if that really helps, but that's, that's kind of where I'm at.   Michael Hingson ** 58:59 The other part about it, though, is also to have the discipline to be able to be at home and work when you know you have to work, and yeah, you get to take more breaks and so on, but still developing the discipline to work and also to take that time is extremely important. I think a lot of people haven't figured out how to do that   Kent Lewis ** 59:19 right exactly, and that is so I do have an immense amount of, I do have an immense amount of, what would you say discipline? And so I don't know, yeah, I don't have that problem with getting the work done. In fact, my discipline is knowing when to stop, because I get into it, and I want to get things done, and I want to get it off my plate, so I tend to do sprints. But the other lesson I have from covid is listening to your biorhythms. So, you know, we're a time based society, and we look, you don't want to be late for this and that I you know, that's great, fine. But what's really more important in my mind is, um. Is to, is to be thinking about, is to let your body tell you when it's tired, if and and more importantly, is to not stress about in the mornings when I wake up early. By that, I mean between four and 6am before I really want to get up at 630 and I just if I'm awake, then I'll write stuff down to get it out of my head, or I will just start doing my start my day early and and not stress about, oh, I didn't get enough sleep. My body will catch up, yeah, it will tell me to go to bed early, or I'll sleep better the next day, or whatever it is. So that was important, and also to learn that I'm most I can get a lot of tasks done in the morning. And I think bigger picture, and that's what, that's why I wake up early, is all the things I need to do that I forgot. I didn't write down or whatever, and I think of them at between four and 6am but the other is that I do my best writing in the afternoon, like between four and six. So I told my, my wife and my, you know, my my kids, you know, my first figures out when they were both in the House. I was like, I may be working late, jamming out an article or doing whatever right before dinner, or I might be a little late. Can we can wait for dinner for a little bit? They're like, Yeah, that's fine. We don't care, right? So, but normally I'd be like, I gotta get home because it's dinner time. But now that I'm already home, I just keep working through, and then, and then, oh, I can take a quick break. But my point is, they're totally adaptable.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:27 But you communicate, yes, communication issue is key. Is key, absolutely. That's really the issues that you do communicate.   Kent Lewis ** 1:01:36 It's all about setting expectations. And they had no expectations other than eating dinner. And we've been eating dinner later. Just, just a natural evolution. So it's not, it's not even an issue now, because I don't want to, I don't want to, what, right? What? Late at night, I just found it late afternoon, I just in a zone. Anyway, yeah, you listen to your body, and I'm way less stressed because I'm not worried about, oh my god, I have to get to bed at a certain time or wake up at a certain time. It's like, just kind of run with it, you know, and and go from there. So what's next for you? What's next? So I want to shift from going from speaking for free to speaking for a fee. There you go. And the re the reason why is I never asked for, and I'd even waive, you know, honorarium or pay because I got more value out of the leads. But now that I don't have an agency to represent, two things. One is, I want to get paid to do my employee engagement retention talks, because it's I'm getting great feedback on it, which is fun. But I also am being paid now by other agencies, a day rate, plus travel to go speak at the conferences. I've always spoken on that like me and want me and I just represent. I just changed the name that I'm representing. That's it, you know,   Michael Hingson ** 1:02:56 well, and there's value in it. I realized some time ago, and I k

As "Inside the NBA" on TNT comes to an end, we look back at Ernie Johnson's incredible South Beach Sessions with Dan Le Batard, originally recorded on May 22, 2023. A legend, a national treasure, and the glue that has made "Inside the NBA" on TNT the best show on television for nearly three decades, Ernie Johnson is the best of the best because he's done it all with love. Dan explores the secrets behind the magic of what Ernie does, the humbling wisdom learned from his son, Michael, and the unspoken sensitivities surrounding Shaq, Charles, and Kenny. Ernie also reveals being haunted for years by a rare moment when his ego unleashed the worst in him. Watch the last shows of "Inside the NBA" on TNT's Eastern Conference Finals coverage and listen & subscribe to "The Steam Room with EJ and Chuck" wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As "Inside the NBA" on TNT comes to an end, we look back at Ernie Johnson's incredible South Beach Sessions with Dan Le Batard, originally recorded on May 22, 2023. A legend, a national treasure, and the glue that has made "Inside the NBA" on TNT the best show on television for nearly three decades, Ernie Johnson is the best of the best because he's done it all with love. Dan explores the secrets behind the magic of what Ernie does, the humbling wisdom learned from his son, Michael, and the unspoken sensitivities surrounding Shaq, Charles, and Kenny. Ernie also reveals being haunted for years by a rare moment when his ego unleashed the worst in him. Watch the last shows of "Inside the NBA" on TNT's Eastern Conference Finals coverage and listen & subscribe to "The Steam Room with EJ and Chuck" wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"Beautiful Boys" is a podcast about careers, parenthood, marriage, and the chaotic state of the universe staring comedians Mike Cannon and Andy Haynes. They answer the hypothetical question "Which of your comic friends is secretly a murderer?" A conversation about gay rappers leads Andy to reveal that he once had to leave a steam room because there was sex happening in front of him. Bobby tells a story of when Jim Norton killed at a college gig and had to pull over to pleasure himself instead of getting food. Spring is in the air and so is the smell of semen because of the Bradford Pear Tree's delicate white flowers, which harbor compounds that are derivatives of ammonia, which produces the familiar, post-coital scent. *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolfSubscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of The Bonfire ad-free and a whole week early.  Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

Eric Church enters The Steam Room to indulge Chuck's new interest in Country music, talk about his relationship with Michael Jordan, and explain why golf means so much to him. Mike Sielski joins to discuss his new book, “Magic in the Air”, share stories about the history of the slam dunk, and put the Chuckster on the spot about why he never participated in a Dunk contest. Ernie and Charles reveal their hidden talents, entertain a wild hypothetical about finger liquids, and, as always, wrap with ‘Good for the Soul' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Its Seeking Sunday plus Hesse's Birthday, plus Easter, plus 4/20! Let's run it up mothers! Ben here, today Jacques and Hesse try to deal with me speaking solely through my new soundboard, something I'm doing at the advice of my medical team. But it went so badly that my doctors have told me to stop and the soundboard won't be coming back sorry about that everyone. We also talk about the Oregon Trail, Gayle King saying f*ggotry on live TV, and Hesse tells us about being trapped next to TJ Miller on a trail to Buffalo. The celebrations don't stop there! Find the new of The Steam Room in our Patreon shop. It has 21 full episodes!

Send us a textIn this unedited chaos-core episode of Not Well, Bobby and Jim dive into hot mess territory with unfiltered rants about April Fools' trauma, she-cocks, the “goon” community, straight men in denial, crying influencers, and the dream of a five-man Irish rugby orgy. Between travel anxieties and poop logistics on planes, they still find time to manifest fame, mock chemsex culture, and debate why lesbians are society's most helpful gays.Support the showAs always you can write us at nowellpodcast@gmail.com or call us at ‪(614) 721-5336‬ and tell us your Not Wells of the week InstagramTwitterBobby's Only FansHelp us continue to grow and create amazing content, like a live tour or just help fund some new headphones when needed. Any help is appreacited. https://www.buzzsprout.com/510487/subscribe#gaypodcast #podcast #gay #lgbtq #queerpodcast #lgbt #lgbtpodcast #lgbtqpodcast #gaypodcaster #queer#instagay #podcasts #podcasting #gaylife #pride #lesbian #bhfyp #gaycomedy #comedypodcast #comedy #nyc #614 #shesnotdoingsowell #wiltonmanor #notwell

From Lost In Eros – Book 1The Player's Outdoor GamesIn 10 Parts By BradentonLarry.  Listen to the Podcast at Explicit Novels.Afterward, they all gradually moved toward the area in front of the maze. Three sides of a large rectangle were marked off by a low hedge only about a foot high. The fourth side was marked by a white line that seemed to be painted onto the grass, and the rectangle was divided into right and left halves by another painted line. On the far right end of the rectangle was a table with holes in it. In most of the holes were short rods, or batons, of different colors, and around each baton was a bracelet of matching coloring. In the left half of the rectangle were several women and one man, who were talking idly. While Don chewed an apple, a man entered the right side of the rectangle and took one of the baton-bracelet sets and walked over to the left half, where he offered the bracelet to one of the women there. She took it from him with a smile, slipped it on to her wrist and then jogged off toward the maze. There were two openings that Don could see, and the woman made for the one on the left. As soon as she got to that opening, she sprinted in, and the man suddenly gave chase.“If he can find her and tag her with the baton, they'll play together,” the Player explained. “If she can get back here without getting tagged, she returns the bracelet. The baton will vibrate, so he knows he's lost his quarry.”“Does that happen often?” Toshia asked. “I mean, she didn't have to accept the bracelet, did she?”“Ah, but it's all about the game and the chase,” the Player smiled. “In the maze, you have to win your playmates.”Don grinned, “I like it.”Amy, Keiko, Natalia, Marissa and Jamie all stepped over the hedge into the left half of the rectangle. Peter, Ilsa and the Player all went to the right. Peter offered his bracelet to Amy, who took her time walking to the maze and only started running when she got there. Peter took off after her. Ilsa chased Marissa, and the Player went after Jamie. Igor was sitting on one of the steps behind them, with no apparent interest in the garden or the maze.Don looked to Toshia, “I think we can walk around the maze. If there's a way out, it makes sense it will be in the outer perimeter, right?”She nodded, and they started off to the left. Don noticed that Shelonda was following along. He smiled at her and said, “You can play with the others.”“I can help you look for a way out,” she said simply, and fell into step with them. “Why do you want to get out of the garden, though? You were trying to find the garden, and we just got here.”“Well, we want to find a way to get home,” Toshia explained.“Don't you live in the Manor, with the rest of us?”“No,” Toshia said, “we're just staying here until we can figure out how to leave.”“Don't you like it here?”“It's not that simple,” Toshia said a bit impatiently.“We like it here, Shelonda,” Don tried. “It's just that there are people who aren't here that we would really like to see.”“Oh. Everybody I know lives here.”Don smiled a little, happy to have answered Shelonda's questions without upsetting her.“I am wondering about something, though,” he said to Toshia as they walked along on the grass with the wall of the Manor on their left and the high hedge of the maze on their right. “If you're right about this being a ‘different world', then is it likely that just finding a way out of this particular place will do the trick?”“It might be a start,” Toshia shrugged.“Ah, yes,” Don pointed. “It does look like there's a space between the corner of the maze and that wall of whatever it is.” It turned out to be an exceptionally dense and thorny wall of a hedge, rising up at least twenty feet, and running parallel with this left side of the maze. The three naked searchers kept walking.At the next corner, they found that there was another clearing at the back of the maze, with another fountain and some padded platforms and benches strewn about. There were two maze entrances on this side, matching the ones on the opposite side. Nobody was back here, though. Don and his companions followed along the high hedge wall on their left, which eventually swept back around run parallel to the right side of the maze. In the end, the trio found themselves back in the area at the front of the maze.Oddly enough, it was Shelonda who said, “Well, that's disappointing.”“Why do you say that, Shelonda?” Don asked.“You won't find the people you want to see.”“Well, we're not giving up,” Don said. “We just need to keep looking somewhere else; maybe in the Manor.”Toshia touched his arm and said, “Thanks, Don.”He smiled at her and said, “But after that long walk, I do think we deserve a bit of play.”Shelonda clearly thought this was a good idea, and Toshia said, “Yeah, that would be good. I wouldn't mind giving this maze game a try.”Don watched as Shelonda went to the left side of the rectangle and Toshia got a baton and bracelet, the latter of which she presented to Shelonda, who took it with a happy smile. As the cute young woman headed for the maze, Don called out, “Be careful, Toshia; the girl's got moves!”“So do I, Don,” she called back with a laugh.When Toshia took off after Shelonda, Don considered his options. He thought he might try both pursuing and being pursued, but would rather start with the first. In what he was now thinking of as the “quarry box”, he could see that Keiko and Natalia were gone, and that Marissa was now back, though there was no sign of Ilsa. There were seven other people there. Given the general mores of the Manor, he was surprised that none of these people were having sex, but seemed to be waiting patiently for someone to come and chase them. Don had no interest in chasing one of the four men, so he considered Marissa and the other three women present. One was a tall, thin woman with long, light blonde hair; another was a bit curvier, with slightly shorter light brown hair shading over to blonde; and the last was a small, very attractive black woman with Asian eyes and straight dark hair falling to her shoulders. Don thought it would be fun to have a threesome with this girl and Shelonda, and then worried if that thought was somehow racist. Still, Don really knew his first choice would be Marissa. He preferred leggy brunettes, and Marissa was certainly that, as well as gorgeous, sexy and, well, she had great tits. He hoped he would be able to hook up with the little black girl later, but he had to start with Marissa.He took the closest baton and bracelet set, and offered the latter to Marissa, who accepted it with a smile that was both friendly and a bit haughty. Don thought to himself that he would enjoy fucking her soon. He watched her legs and ass stroll over to the maze, and as soon as she bolted for the right entrance, he ran after her. Don could cover a short distance very quickly, and this was not a long distance at all. He took the sharp right turn in time to see Marissa at the end of another long straight path, and to see that she was turning to the right at the end of it.Don sprinted at full speed down the path, and threw himself around the corner after his quarry, ignoring the path to the left. He was slowed down by a series of turns and switch backs. If Marissa had gone to the left and he was stuck here, Don would have lost a lot of time on her. Then Don came to a junction where he had to decide between three paths. Two of them seemed to lead back toward the Manor side of the maze, if his sense of direction could be trusted, which it usually could, and the third appeared to double back along the way he'd come. He had thought he'd heard someone running back that way on the other side of the hedge just seconds ago, so he quickly moved into the third path. Several turns and another little sprint carried him out into one of the clearings in the maze.In the middle of this opening was another fountain shooting water straight up into the air. Around this were padded benches, several of which had couples busily copulating on them. On one of these, Jamie was straddling a supine man who was not the Player, riding up and down on him while fondling her own big tits. Don might have been distracted by all of this, except that he also saw Marissa leaving this clearing through the exit directly opposite him. Don sprang forward, stepped up onto the unoccupied bench in front of him, splashed right through the fountain and jumped over a pair of lovers on the other side, splattering them with water as he went over. He thought about apologizing but he heard them laughing, so he just tore after Marissa.He had closed quite a bit of the distance between them now, and was frequently catching glimpses of her backside as they twisted and turned through the maze. There was now no need for Don to wonder about which way to go, because he was able to track her by sight and sound quite easily. When Marissa turned sharply to the left and found herself caught in a dead end, Don almost crashed into her. She made an attempt to slip past him, but he tapped her with his baton on her upper arm. There was a buzzing sound, and Don realized the bracelet was vibrating to let Marissa know that she really had been tagged. She stopped and smiled at him, all friendliness now. Don smiled back and admired her now sweaty body and the rising and falling of her tits as she caught her breath. He needed a moment as well; it had been a vigorous chase.Before she was done breathing heavily, though, Marissa dropped to her knees in front of him, and took his cock into her mouth. Don watched from above, and it wasn't long before his cock was fully hard and he was enjoying seeing this gorgeous woman happily bobbing up and down on his thick shaft. The sensations of her warm, wet mouth moving on him were exquisite. He had assumed that they would go and find one of the clearings and a bench, but he couldn't see anything wrong with this little nook in the maze.Thinking back to the all too brief glimpse of Jamie on that bench, Don gently took his cock out of Marissa's mouth and got on his back in the warm grass. He didn't need to say anything; she promptly straddled him and pushed his cock into her hot, slick, tight cunt. She slid down on him slowly, adjusting to his girth as well as enjoying the sensation. Don couldn't help but admire the view as her statuesque body, covered with a sheen of perspiration, moved on top of him. Her dark eyes were half-closed as she began to move up and down on his cock. Don's hands moved from her hips up to her full tits. She smiled down at him and began to ride him a bit more vigorously. Don used his abs and legs to push himself up into her.“That feels so good, Don!” she breathed in her deep voice. After a while, she began to spend more time on the down strokes, grinding herself against his body. Don moved his hands back to her waist, pushing her down on him and moving her back and forth. He watched as she squeezed her tits, and then ran her hands up over her neck and face, before tossing her head back and concentrating fully on the sensations in her clit and cunt. She was rocking herself against him, as Don worked her back and forth, and moving his cock in and out of her. When she came, she arched backward, thrusting her tits up at the sky, and let out a long, low, quavering moan.Marissa held this position for several moments while the orgasm had its way with her, and then as she came back down. When she was done, she sat up and smiled down at him. Moving on his cock still, she said, “I want you to come for me, Don.”Don grinned and said, “I think that can be arranged. Get up and get on your hands and knees.” As she quickly did so, Don said, “I've been chasing that beautiful ass of yours, and I'd like to get up close to it while fucking you.”She cooed her approval, and waggled her behind at him. He wasted no time and pushed himself deep into her cunt. With his hands on her ass, Don began to fuck in and out of her deeply and steadily. Don saw her right shoulder drop a bit, and then felt her fingertips brushing against him as she played with her clit. He felt himself nearing orgasm, and when she pushed back him and started that low moaning again, he gave in and shot jet after jet of hot cum into her. As his cock spasmed inside her, Don felt Marissa's cunt squeezing him while she came again.Don held still in her until she stopped coming and then slowly pulled out of her. He leaned down and kissed her lower back, and then helped her to her feet. She staggered a bit and leaned on him for support. “Thank you, Don,” she said, “that was wonderful. I will let you catch me sooner next time.”“Where's the fun in that?” Don laughed. “No, forget I said that!”She laughed with him, and they began to find their way out of the maze. They soon came to what Don thought must be the central clearing in the maze. There was a large tree in the center of the circular area, as well as quite a few benches. There were a dozen couples in here, including Toshia and Shelonda who were engaged in a 69 at the base of the tree, Keiko who was lying back on a bench as a man Don didn't recognize went down on her, and Peter with a blonde sitting on his lap moving slowly up and down.Fighting the urge to go over to both Keiko and Toshia and Shelonda, Don continued to walk with Marissa back into the maze. It's probably against the rules, he thought, and I can't go to both anyway, plus it would be rude. They eventually came across Natalia getting well and truly fucked by a strapping young man with longish dark hair right in the middle of a four path intersection. While having a hard time taking his eyes off this sight, Don said, “They need a shortcut out of this place for after you've caught your playmate.”It was Marissa's turn to laugh and say, “Where's the fun in that?”When they finally got out of the maze, Marissa said, “I'm going to go for a quick swim. Care to join me?”“Thank you very much for the offer,” Don smiled, “but I think I'll try one more time in the maze.”He replaced the bracelet and baton he'd taken earlier and then took a place in the “quarry box”. The little black-Asian girl was still there, and she smiled at him. “Did you have fun?” she asked.“Yes, I did, thank you. Hello, I'm Don.”“I'm Nicole,” she moved closer to him. “You're new here, aren't you?”“Yes, I am.”“When did you get here?”“Um, two days ago, I guess.”“Fun, isn't it? I've been here for about a week now.”“Wait, you remember being somewhere else?” Don wished Toshia were here for this.“Yeah; funny how nobody else seems to, isn't it? I'm a college student, pre-med,” she smiled as she shook his hand, a formality that seemed silly and funny in the circumstances.“I'm a history professor,” Don said.“Oh, a hot professor; fun!” she said with a twinkle in her eye.Don laughed, and asked, “Have you found any sign of a way back?”“No, but then I really haven't been looking. I love it here! Back home all I ever did was what people expected of me; my parents, my teachers. I had no social life and hardly any fun at all. I had a bit of sex with boys, and once with my roommate, but frankly most of my sex was with my vibrator. In comparison, this is great! Besides, it's summer break anyway.”“Wait, no it isn't. It's winter, and you don't sound Australian.”“No, I'm from Chicago,” Nicole said. “That is weird, isn't it? I suppose I should be more worried about it, and after another week of this I might start getting homesick, but right now I'm having the time of my life. Speaking of which, ” She abruptly walked over to the batons and bracelets and took a set, returning to offer the bracelet to Don. “, Let's have some fun, Professor.”“Um, Okay, but I definitely want to continue this conversation,” he said as he slipped the bracelet onto his wrist, noticing that it seemed a bit elastic and fit over his hand and onto his wrist rather snugly.“Cool, as long as we do it naked,” she smiled. “Now get going. Make me work for it.”Temporarily setting aside the questions that were suddenly jostling for his attention, Don tried to focus on the game at hand. He thought it made sense for him to use the right entrance again, since he had some familiarity with the path that way. He took off into the maze, and quickly made his way through the twists and turns, sticking to the path Marissa and he had followed, not taking any risks of ending up in a dead end. He almost crashed into Jamie and her partner who were trying to find their way out of the maze. Fortunately Jamie saw the finger Don held to his pursed lips and didn't say, “Hi Don!” At the first clearing, with the fountain where he'd seen Jamie earlier, he made his first deviation from the course he'd run earlier, skirting around the fountain and benches and going into a path to the right. After more twists and turns and a few arbitrary choices, Don came to a small widening of the path, in the middle of which was a little bench, about the size of an ottoman. He thought he was near the far right edge of the maze, about half way in. He had no idea where Nicole was, though she was clearly not right on his heels. Don decided there was no harm in stopping for a bit to catch his breath. After all, with the different paths through the maze, there was always a chance that he would actually run right into Nicole. So, Don sat down on the bench, and tried to listen for sounds of pursuit.After a while, he thought he heard the sound of someone walking on the grass in a nearby path. Then there was the sound of someone running, coming from the direction opposite the one he'd come from. He turned to see Amy running straight for him, being chased by Ilsa, both of them with tits jiggling wildly. He made the same shushing gesture that had worked so well with Jamie, but Amy just laughed and shouted, “Hi Don!” as she rocketed past him. Ilsa laughed as she passed him in the next second.“Fuck!” he said under his breath, and got up from the bench, listening for any sign that Nicole had heard his name. Unfortunately, Amy and Ilsa were still nearby, crashing about and laughing. Don looked down the way he'd came, saw nothing, and then turned to look up the other way, only to see Nicole right there, grinning at him. He jumped a little, but before he could make a break for it, her baton hit him in the chest and his bracelet buzzed.“Gotcha!” she laughed. She dropped the baton on the ground and threw her arms around his neck, smiling broadly. “Ravish me, Professor.”Don chuckled and took her in his arms. Her small tits were pressed against his chest tightly, and his cock was rising between her thighs. He ran his hands over her lower back and squeezed her ass as he lowered his mouth and kissed her. She responded eagerly, pushing her tongue into his mouth and then sucking on his when he returned the favor.Holding on to her cheeks Don lifted her easily off the ground. He turned her around and laid her down on the bench. Breaking their kiss, he stood up and then kneeled between her legs, which she spread eagerly. He bent down, put her legs up on his shoulders and then pushed upward, pulling her forward as he did. Nicole was at an angle with her shoulders, neck and back of her head on the bench, and her legs crossed behind Don's neck. This put her cunt right in front of his mouth. He held her ass up in his hands and began to do as she had asked; ravish her with his mouth and tongue. He sank his long tongue into her exposed cunt, reveling in the sweet taste of her nectar, and then flicked his tongue over her clit. Then Don sucked her clit into his mouth, pulling on it. Nicole squealed and squirmed. Soon Don was lapping steadily at her clit, as his chin pressed against the mouth of her cunt.It didn't take much of this to pull Nicole into a violent, and loud, orgasm. Afterward, Don lowered her and stood up. Nicole, seeing his hard cock standing up in front of him, scooted back on the bench, so that her ass was on it again, and then sat up to grab Don's cock and begin sucking on it. If she hadn't had much experience before she got to the Manor, she had certainly made up for it since. Nicole was bobbing her mouth on him like a pro, while stroking his shaft purposefully. This train of thought gave Don another idea.He pushed her away from his cock, and coaxed her up off the bench. He then lied down on it. She quickly straddled him, with her feet on the grass on either side. She took his cock in hand and, holding it up, managed to get the head into her cunt. Very slowly, she sank down on him. Then, leaning forward a bit, she rested her hands on his chest and began to ride up and down on him. “Umm, this feels so good,” she said with a smile.“So, you've been here a week,” Don said as he rocked his hips to help stimulate her, “what's the wildest thing you've done?”She smiled down at him, “Um, well, it's a toss-up really. I think it was my second day, and I found my way into this big steam room. There were a bunch of guys in there. I was being a little coy, still, but I was really turned on by being the only girl in there with all those naked guys. This guy next to me was looking me over and kind of stroking his cock; not really jerking off, just playing with it; and it was pretty big, so I just leaned over and started sucking him. I felt so slutty, but also incredibly hot. Well, I'm there sucking on this guy and I feel hands on me; all over me. There were at least two guys, playing with my tits and squeezing my ass. I spread my legs so they could get at my cunt. I was sucking on this guy's cock, and other guys I couldn't even really see were fingering me. I came right there, and when I was done, I was on my back on a bench in there, and there was a guy getting ready to fuck me. I could have said something, I'm sure, but I really just wanted to get fucked, so I let them. I let every guy there fuck me. Some of them came inside me and a lot came all over my stomach and tits. I think there were like twelve guys in there, and some of them went twice. I must have come like twenty times.”“Wow; good story,” Don smiled.

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Jason Kelce enters The Steam Room to toast the Eagles Super Bowl victory, defend the ‘tush push' (even though “it sucks”), reflect on Travis's upcoming decision about whether to retire or keep playing, and shed light on the impact Taylor Swift fans have had on the popularity of his ‘New Heights' podcast. Ernie & Charles discuss what it's really like to be famous, the exciting world of Costco membership, and we celebrate The Chuckster's birthday with a little help from Spike Lee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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TNT Host, WNBA champion, & Tennessee basketball legend Candace Parker joins The Steam Room once again to talk about her memoir, which is set to release in June, the craziness that ensued from the NBA Trade Deadline, and the best teams and players in college basketball currently. Chuck & Ernie discuss Subway commercials, All-Star Game competitiveness, and recall a story about Kenny Smith and a donkey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

TNT Host & rabid Philadelphia sports fan Adam Lefkoe enters The Steam Room to talk about the Eagles returning to the Super Bowl, hosting a podcast with Shaq, and what it's like to attend a sporting event with Taylor Swift. Ernie and Charles discuss reality TV, ‘dry January', and the Chuckster's lack of experience with video games, including ones named after him. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Fresh off the Buckeyes National Championship, Ohio State HC Ryan Day enters The Steam Room to reflect on winning the big one, how he and his family dealt with the fallout after the Michigan loss, and the viral postgame golf cart “crash”. Entrepreneur, endurance athlete, and Hawks minority owner Jesse Itzler joins to talk winning habits, everyday enthusiasm as a virtue, and the practical benefits of maintaining a big calendar. Chuck & Ernie discuss Nike's ill-fated Swooshman, disc golf, and ‘steam routines'. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt Ryan enters The Steam Room to preview the NFL Playoffs, debate tee box nerves versus tackle box nerves, and dealing with the legacy of ‘28-3'. Raptors President Masai Ujiri joins to reflect on the memory of his friend Dikembe Mutombo, and his lasting impact on African basketball. Ernie and Charles discuss changes to NCAA eligibility, that Lady Gaga & Bruno Mars song, and a real-life Dentist's rebuke of the Chuckster's questionable oral hygiene habits. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben Stiller enters The Steam Room to talk about his beloved Knicks, the movie-making process, working with Eddie Murphy & Robert De Niro, and sitting courtside with Taylor Swift. Ernie and Charles discuss flag-planting etiquette, MJ vs LeBron, and the Chuckster's highly questionable dental habits. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mark Cuban enters The Steam Room to talk Mavs, Shark Tank, Bluesky, and the possibility of a Cuban-Barkley ticket in 2028. Amanda Serrano joins to discuss her epic bout versus Katie Taylor on Netflix, what it meant for women's boxing, and how she would approach a fight against the Chuckster. Ernie and Charles debate who would play the Inside guys in a movie, the most overrated/underrated thanksgiving dishes (shoutout Baby Kays!), swallowing gum, and, once again, candles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Blake Griffin enters The Steam Room to talk about the evolution of his golf game, early NBA season takeaways, funniest teammates, and enduring the infamous Donald Sterling saga. Ernie and Charles react to the news about the future of Inside The NBA. Chuck nominates alternative submissions for Sexiest Man of the Year, weighs-in on Tyson-Paul, and opens up about his travel lotion strategy. EJ confirms that, contrary to popular believe, he is not bi-racial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Wednesday, November 20th, A.D. 2024. This is The Worldview in 5 Minutes heard on 125 radio stations and at www.TheWorldview.com.  I'm Adam McManus. (Adam@TheWorldview.com) By Adam McManus India falsely charges Christian groups with embezzlement After the Hindu nationalist BJP Party came to power in India at the national level in 2014, many large Christian organizations that had been receiving funds from abroad came under government scrutiny and were falsely charged with embezzlement and other invented corrupt financial practices, reports International Christian Concern. Recently, the government stated that many of these organizations were involved in alleged illegal religious conversion activities, too. For the first time, India's Ministry of Home Affairs has listed illegal religious conversion activities as a reason for blocking foreign funding of certain non-governmental organizations working in India. According to Open Doors, India is the 11th most difficult country worldwide in which to be a Christian. Proverbs 17:23 says, “Corrupt judges accept secret bribes, and then justice is not done.” Charles Barkley: Democrats lost because "y'all stupid" After Donald Trump's landslide victory, former National Basketball Association star Charles Barkley had a word for the Democrats on the Steam Room podcast. BARKLEY: “And I just want to say this to the Democrats, I'm an independent who voted Democratic. Do me this favor. When you win, you get to say what you want to. When you lose, you need to shup up. “Oh, President Biden. They didn't get him out the race soon enough. Kamala didn't do this. We lost because we had no game plan. We still haven't solved the immigration problem. Have no viable answers. Never addressed inflation. “Bringing all these stupid stars out to rally to vote. What was that? Hey, I love Beyonce. What's bringing her out? That ain't gonna make me vote a certain way. Cardi B. I like Cardi B. That ain't gonna make me vote a certain type of way. You guys lost because y'all stupid.” Senator Ted Cruz objects to Democrats who want to censor conservatives And on Senator Ted Cruz's podcast entitled “Verdict,” the Texas statesman  said Democrats are not interested in doing much introspection about their massive loss on Election Day. CRUZ: “The Democrats, they're not actually looking introspectively and saying, ‘Gosh, maybe we were wrong on the issues. Maybe the fact that over 70% of Americans thought we were on the wrong track. Maybe that's a problem. Maybe we shouldn't have had an open border and let this country be invaded. Maybe we shouldn't have spent money like drunken sailors and caused inflation that hurt working families across this country. “‘Maybe we shouldn't have waged a war on energy that hurt everyone who's struggling to make ends meet. Maybe we shouldn't have undermined our friends and allies, and we shouldn't have appeased our enemies. Maybe we shouldn't have given $100 billion to Iran that funds terrorists and Hamas and Hezbollah and causes a war. Maybe our policies are wrong.' “That would be a rational and sensible thing for Democrats to do. So, they're not doing that.” Senator Cruz cited exhibit A of MSNBC host and former White House press secretary Jen Psaki who doubled down on censoring people like podcaster Joe Rogan who has challenged Democrats and dared to interview Trump for three unfiltered hours which enabled listeners to cast an informed vote. CRUZ: "Instead, they're saying, ‘Hmm, maybe if people just didn't know what we were doing. Maybe if they couldn't say what we were doing. Maybe if they couldn't criticize what we're doing. Yeah, that's how we'd win.' “So, Jen Psaki, Joe Biden's former press secretary, went on a podcast and she said this, ‘One of the things that's changed ever since I got involved in politics is just the rise of the percentage of people who get their information off of platforms that have no fact-checking mechanism and no accountability for having disinformation spread. Laws have to change.' “She's not saying, ‘We, the Democrats, need to communicate better.' She's not saying, ‘We the Democrats need to change our policy.' She's saying, ‘We need to change the laws to make it illegal for that Joe Rogan to say things we don't like. We need to change the laws to make it illegal for anyone to post on X what the actual facts are of what we, the Democrats, are doing. If we can silence everyone, then we stay in power forever.'” Late-term abortions in Oregon more than doubled in 2023 Oregon Health Authority's finalized 2023 abortion records show dramatically increased abortion rates in numerous categories, including a sharp rise in the number of late-term abortions compared to the prior year, reports LifeSiteNews.com. According to the Oregon Health Authority's Center for Health Statistics data, abortion mills in Oregon performed a total of 10,075 abortions last year compared to 8,672 in 2022, a 16% increase. Among the 10,075 abortions, 225 of them were performed at or after 23 weeks gestation (roughly the age of “viability”), more than two and a half times the 85 late-term abortions performed in 2022. At 23 weeks gestation and later, the unborn baby can feel pain, and many can survive outside the womb if born prematurely. Elon Musk praises families on X Elon Musk is continuing to spread the word about the importance of families. On X this week, Musk sounded the alarm in response to a post that claimed birth rates in Sweden and Britain are now at their lowest levels since 1749 and 1938, respectively. Musk said, “Instead of teaching fear of pregnancy, we should teach fear of childlessness.” Psalm 127:3-5 says, “Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from Him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.” AI model detects cancerous brain tumors missed during surgery And finally, researchers have developed an Artificial Intelligence-powered model that can determine in 10 seconds during surgery if any part of a cancerous brain tumor that could be removed remains, reports Good News Network. According to the research team led by the universities of Michigan and California, the technology, called FastGlioma, outperformed conventional methods for identifying what remains of a tumor by a wide margin. When a neurosurgeon removes a life-threatening tumor from a patient's brain, they are rarely able to remove the entire mass. What remains is known as a residual tumor. By contrast, FastGlioma detected and calculated how much of the brain tumor remained with an average accuracy of approximately 92%. Close And that's The Worldview on this Wednesday, November 20th, in the year of our Lord 2024. Subscribe by Amazon Music or by iTunes or email to our unique Christian newscast at www.TheWorldview.com. Or get the Generations app through Google Play or The App Store. I'm Adam McManus (Adam@TheWorldview.com). Seize the day for Jesus Christ.

Grammy-winners and Charles Barkley's favorite musical duo Dan + Shay pass up a round at Augusta National to surprise The Chuckster in The Steam Room, debate how early is too early to start listening to Christmas music, and provide some much-needed Karaoke advice. Ernie & Chuck weigh-in on the results of the Presidential election, the Mike Tyson-Jake Paul fight, and who would win in a 1x1 game between Shaq & Charles if they were both 6-feet-tall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Season 6! The guys welcome Second Gentleman of the United States Doug Emhoff into the Steam Room to discuss the unifying power of sports, the hectic schedule of a Presidential campaign, and his beloved Dodgers. Chuck and EJ talk about TK's return to TNT, speculate about the allure of Tom Brady with a South African accent, and debate the ethics of using Charles Barkley to help a kid get out of attending a Yom Kippur ceremony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're gonna take three callers in this segment and they pick the topic. Our first caller is named Larry and he wants to talk wrestling. Kanye is getting divorced. J-Lo and Ben Affleck look miserable. The chandelier bar in Vegas. Jackson's Sleepless in Seattle shirt. Naming people from Vegas. Heidi Fleiss. Danny Pintauro. Robert Saleh got the short haircut. FaceTime sex. The USF/Memphis game is canceled. Will Iggy get back on the Fan Page? Jack in the Box tacos for breakfast. Steam Room Yanks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We're gonna take three callers in this segment and they pick the topic. Our first caller is named Larry and he wants to talk wrestling. Kanye is getting divorced. J-Lo and Ben Affleck look miserable. The chandelier bar in Vegas. Jackson's Sleepless in Seattle shirt. Naming people from Vegas. Heidi Fleiss. Danny Pintauro. Robert Saleh got the short haircut. FaceTime sex. The USF/Memphis game is canceled. Will Iggy get back on the Fan Page? Jack in the Box tacos for breakfast. Steam Room Yanks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dean Sharp talks saunas, hot tubs and steam rooms. Thermal therapy options to add to your home. He also takes calls from his listeners, giving advice raging from backyard decks to cigar rooms. Therapeutic luxuries that wont break the bank.

For the month of July, during the Nomination Period for the 2024 People's Choice Podcast Awards, all episodes will be true-life erotic STORYTIME episodes.These episodes are erotic in content. If you do not like hearing such stories, please do not listen to this episode.This show is one of the few that I was able to salvage from the Joey After Dark Podcast, and tells the tale of an encounter I had about 5 years ago with a number of the hottest jocks at my gym. This story takes place in the gym steam room. I think you will enjoy it. If you like An Older Gay Guy Show Podcast, please consider taking 5 minutes and vote for this show for the Podcast Awards. It is no cost to you, and you can support this show by voting for it. The instructions for voting are as follows:1) Go to PodcastAwards dot com Podcast Awards2) Click the big blue box 'Nominations'3) Fill out the short registration (all your info is deleted the day after the awards)4) Go to the Nomination Page and scroll down to the LGBTQ category.5) Click on An Older Gay Guy Show6) Also go to the first category 'People's Choice' and vote for An Older Gay Guy Show in this category as well.6) Lastly, SAVE your votes at the bottom of the page! Saving your votes is SO IMPORTANT !Thank you in advance! I very much appreciate it.Closing music by James Taylor Jr. 'Boy in a Dress'Boy In A DressJames Taylor Jr. Music

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/rorymal and get on your way to being your best self. Today we are joined by Chris Distefano a.k.a. Chrissy Chaos. We get right to it and cover European rac*sm and how straight people are over . Then Chris chooses Peeje (the man behind the camera and legendary thumbnails) and roasts him over his genetic makeup (10:30). We cover Chris & Rory's Father's Day celebrations (14:50). The WNBA is back in the headlines (23:32). We discover a new angle that could disrupt the league up. We mull over how our age has removed us from caring about streamers or understanding the rest of the world (37:58). It's time for voicemails. We hear from a guy that needs a place to crash (49:08). Then a call about how you approach a baddie (57:52). This leads to Chris & Julian swapping sauna stories (1:08:00). Our final call is about differences in cultures while dating (1:18:14). We invite Chris to share his opinion about our classic debate about A-List people (1:21:20). We close with Gordon Ramsey's bike injury and making fun of Julian wearing a helmet. Tune in as the guys + Chris talk about all of this + more! Follow Rory: @ThisIsRory Follow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWay Follow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombe Follow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don't forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/rorymal and get on your way to being your best self.Today we are joined by Chris Distefano a.k.a. Chrissy Chaos. We get right to it and cover European rac*sm and how straight people are over . Then Chris chooses Peeje (the man behind the camera and legendary thumbnails) and roasts him over his genetic makeup (10:30). We cover Chris & Rory's Father's Day celebrations (14:50). The WNBA is back in the headlines (23:32). We discover a new angle that could disrupt the league up. We mull over how our age has removed us from caring about streamers or understanding the rest of the world (37:58). It's time for voicemails. We hear from a guy that needs a place to crash (49:08). Then a call about how you approach a baddie (57:52). This leads to Chris & Julian swapping sauna stories (1:08:00). Our final call is about differences in cultures while dating (1:18:14). We invite Chris to share his opinion about our classic debate about A-List people (1:21:20). We close with Gordon Ramsey's bike injury and making fun of Julian wearing a helmet. Tune in as the guys + Chris talk about all of this + more!Follow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don't forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A wiesen koks doohickey that we need immediately, rich dudes trying to visit the Titanic again, filming Chipotle making your bowls, a "Steam Room" about entitled road bikers, a couple living in the 1940s, This Weekend in Fun, and more. Enjoy a free one-week trial on Patreon for additional weekly episodes: www.patreon.com/circlingbackpodcast Watch all of our full episodes on our new YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/circlingback  Shop Washed Merch: www.washedmedia.shop  (0:00) Fun & Easy Banter (15:30) Randy Won A Trip To The Bahamas via Mall Giveaway (23:40) Filming Chipotle Employees (35:00) Wiesenkoks Doohickey (40:45) Couple Living Like It's The 1940s (50:50) Bottom Of The Ocean Run It Back (1:00:30) Steam Room (1:12:58) This Weekend in Fun Support This Episode's Sponsors Mugsy: www.mugsy.com (enter your email for discount on site!) Fitbod: www.fitbod.me/steam (20% off) Tavour: Download the Tavour app, enter code "STEAM" in your profile, spend $25 worth of beer and get $10 off your crate! Naked Wines: www.nakedwines.com/steam (enter STEAM for both the code AND password to get 6 bottles of wine for JUST $39.99 with shipping included)

In this Season 5 finale, Chuck D enters The Steam Room to talk about the cultural impact of Public Enemy, the first time he met Flavor Flav, and his beloved New York Knicks. Steve Hartman from CBS News joins to discuss why he profiles acts of kindness, and the importance of reaching out to give thanks to people who have made an impact on our lives. Ernie & Charles get a surprise call from Ian Eagle, show love to the NBA on TNT production crew, and reveal their plans for the summer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Will is going to go full-mullet to pay off a bet with Dillon, the PGP subreddit keeps getting trolled, the dude who ate a bunch of cheeseballs in NYC, a Jimmy John's-centric Steam Room, Recapping This Weekend in Fun, and more. Enjoy a free one-week trial on Patreon for additional weekly episodes: www.patreon.com/circlingbackpodcast Watch all of our full episodes on our new YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/circlingback  Shop Washed Merch: www.washedmedia.shop  (0:00) Fun & Easy Banter (14:09) Recapping This Weekend in Fun (28:30) Will Is Going Mullet To Pay Off Dillon Odds Bet (41:30) Will Reddit Segment (46:00) Dude Eating Cheeseballs in NYC (59:00) Steam Room: Will Went To Jimmy John's Support This Episode's Sponsors Mugsy: www.mugsy.com (enter your email for discount on site!) Aura Frames: www.auraframes.com (CIRCLING for $20 off) PrizePicks: www.prizepicks.com/steam (use code STEAM for a first deposit match up to $100!) Pestie: www.pestie.com/steam (10% off!)

Author Hanif Abdurraqib enters The Steam Room to talk about his new book ‘There's Always This Year', the poem he wrote for TNT's coverage of the NBA Playoffs, the incredulity of LeBron's longevity, and his beloved Minnesota Timberwolves. Charles addresses the Bill Belichick ‘haters', explains why Ernie is the John Lennon of Inside the NBA, and credits Instagram for suggesting helpful household cleaning tips. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Head Coach of the Back-to-Back National Champs Dan Hurley enters The Steam Room to talk about UConn's historic run, his zany superstitions, and lessons learned from growing up in a family of basketball icons. Verne Lundquist joins to reflect on retiring from his legendary broadcasting career, reveal what Tiger said to him at The Masters, and tell the story about how he convinced his wife to go out with him while she was on a date with another man. Ernie and Chuck are awed by a trio of special surprise guests that know the guys better than anybody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan Le Batard enters The Steam Room to reflect on the passing of O.J. Simpson, discuss the state of the NBA, and unpack Charles' love/hate relationship with Dan's father. Legendary, longtime Producer of Inside the NBA Tim Kiely joins to congratulate Ernie & the Chuckster on their Emmy nominations, and he brings his son along to offer a Gen Z perspective on EJ's rap skills. Chuck's Answering Machine asks about teammate pranks, being spoofed by SNL, and competing against Michael Jordan on a Japanese Game Show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New Falcons QB Kirk Cousins enters the Steam Room to talk about signing the biggest free agent deal of the NFL offseason, the qualities that make a great Quarterback, and learning how to do the ‘Dirty Bird' dance. 12-year MLB veteran Jeff Francoeur joins to discuss the problem of specialization in youth sports and what parents can do about it. Ernie and Charles talk Kate Middleton, Yacht Rock, Girl Scout Cookies, Wrestlemania, and Chuck finally joining Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2x National Champion Jay Wright enters the Steam Room to give the guys a March Madness primer, discuss the impact of NIL on the future of college hoops, and regale us with stories about Charles' ruthlessness on the golf course. Auburn HC Bruce Pearl joins to share the heartwarming story of Sam Cunningham, a leukemia survivor who has become Auburn's team manager. Chuck's Answering Machine features calls about the Chuckster's obsession with vacuuming, his harsh criticism of The Beekeeper, and why we don't know much about the 1996 Olympics mens basketball team. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Comedian Nate Bargatze enters The Steam Room to talk about performing stand-up for one single person before selling out arenas, his obsession with golf, and even tries out some new material on Ernie and Charles. Robert Griffin III joins to preview Super Bowl LVIII and talks about still being open playing in the NFL again. Chuck says nice things about Indianapolis while stubbornly doubling down on his dismissive take about the body of water that flows through San Antonio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael B. Jordan enters The Steam Room to discuss The Wire, the differences between acting and directing, and the surprising downside of being named Sexiest Man Alive. Legendary, long-time producer of Inside The NBA Tim Kiely joins to get Ernie & Chuck's' take on Taylor Swift, before quizzing them about Super Bowl trivia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NBA Veteran turned Media star Rex Chapman joins to talk about opening up in his upcoming memoir, bonding with Russell Crowe over Australian rugby, and the state of Kentucky Wildcat basketball. EJ and Charles discuss the art of interviewing, their very different morning routines, and why Shaq shouldn't get any credit for his ‘role' in creating The Steam Room. The Chuckster is riding the Lions this weekend, as if that fanbase hasn't suffered enough. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Thanks so much to all of you who caught the stream live! I saw a ton of new faces in there, and welcome folks. We very much appreciate you hanging with us on a Friday. With all of the shows and podcasts out there, you chose us, which means a great deal. Seth looked TIRED!!! We all remember that feeling of having a newborn and the lack of sleep and stress, but it's something that I wouldn't trade for anything in the world. We'll see a lot of you guys tomorrow at the Moe Tailgate. If you're looking for the details, hit up the events tab in the app. I hope to see you out there! All love! - d #### Hour 1 Highlights - **Seth's Peculiar Predicament** - Discussion about Seth's unusually shaped nipples. - **Big Baby Blammers** - A humorous segment involving oversized baby characters. - **Steam Room Shenanigans** - Anecdotes about encountering a baby in a steam room. - **Smooth and Melty Mints** - Chat about a specific type of mint and its unique texture. - **Vince McMahon Lawsuit** - Delving into the details of the recent lawsuit involving Vince McMahon. - **Rhythmic Revelations** - "What's in your rhythm?" segment exploring personal musical tastes. - **Seth's Dojo Music Video** - Review and discussion of Seth's new dojo-themed music video. - **Jakal vs. AI Songs** - Comparing and contrasting songs by Jakal with AI-generated music. - **'Get the Dog'** - Commentary on a viral video of an older man falling and the ensuing reactions. - **Shammit** - A segment possibly discussing a humorous or bizarre topic. - **Pop Pop Advice** - Dispensing advice, possibly in a grandfatherly or elderly manner. - **Natasha Leggero's Bold Stage Act** - Discussion about Natasha Leggero removing her shirt during a performance. - **Tom's Password Peeves** - Tom expressing his frustration with passwords. - **Dan's Hipster Magazine Interview** - Insights into Dan being interviewed by a hipster-centric publication. - **D Batteries and AI** - A humorous analogy comparing D batteries to an AI's waste. - **Maisie's Time Anxiety** - Discussing Maisie's struggle with anxiety related to time. - **Dan's Private Bathroom Privilege** - Dan talks about using his therapist's private bathroom. - **Stew-doo** - A segment that could involve cooking, a play on words, or another topic. - **Mark Normand's Stage Incident** - Discussing whether Mark Normand being taken offstage during a set was a skit or a real event. #### Stay Connected - **Website**: [Tom & Dan](https://tomanddan.com/) - **Twitter**: [Tom & Dan on Twitter](https://twitter.com/tomanddanlive) - **Facebook**: [Tom & Dan on Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/AMediocreTime) - **Instagram**: [Tom & Dan on Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/tomanddanlive/) #### Tune In & Turn Up - **Apple Podcasts**: [A Mediocre Time with Tom & Dan](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-mediocre-time-with-tom-and-dan/id308614478) - **Google Podcasts**: [A Mediocre Time with Tom & Dan](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbWVkaW9jcmV0aW1lLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6x-_il7mBAxX2moQIHRosAQwQ9sEGegQIARAC) - **TuneIn**: [A Mediocre Time with Tom & Dan](https://tunein.com/podcasts/Comedy/A-Mediocre-Time-with-Tom-and-Dan-p393884/) #### A Corporate Time with Tom and Dan - **Apple Podcasts**: [A Corporate Time with Tom & Dan](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-corporate-time-with-tom-and-dan/id994667625) - **Google Podcasts**: [A Corporate Time with Tom & Dan](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5saWJzeW4uY29tLzYxOTc2L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6x-_il7mBAxX2moQIHRosAQwQ9sEGegQIARAD) - **TuneIn**: [A Corporate Time with Tom and Dan](https://tunein.com/podcasts/Comedy/A-Corporate-Time-with-Tom-and-Dan-p1836090/) #### Unlock the BDM Vault - **Join the BDM Crew**: [BDM Registration](https://tomanddan.com/registration) #### Rock Our Swag - **Merchandise**: [Tom & Dan Shop](https://tomanddan.myshopify.com/) #### Join the Live Stream Party - **Twitch**: [Tom & Dan on Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/tomanddanlive) - **YouTube**: [Tom & Dan on YouTube](https://www.youtube

Podcast Week? Podcast Week. Detroit Lions Will enters the chat, Jason Kelce may take over the world, righting some content wrongs from last week, a vegetarian-unfriendly Steam Room segment, the twerking contest that went all wrong, and more. Enjoy a free one-week trial on Patreon for additional weekly episodes: www.patreon.com/circlingbackpodcast Watch all of our full episodes on our new YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/circlingback  Shop Washed Merch: www.washedmedia.shop  (0:00) Fun & Easy Banter (16:00) Recapping This Weekend in Fun (28:45) Jason Kelce's World That We're Living In (41:00) Twink and a Redhead Mea Culpa (48:00) Google Tracks You in Incognito Mode (1:00:00) Steam Room: Vegetarian Options at Restaurants (1:07:30) Twerk Contests Gone Wrong Support This Episode's Sponsors Squarespace: www.squarespace.com/steam (STEAM for 10% off your purchase of a website or domain) PrizePicks: www.prizepicks.com/steam (use code steam for a first deposit match up to $100!) Nutrafol: www.nutrafol.com/men (CIRCLING for $15 off)

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