Podcasts about Unprecedented

In another terrible litigation result this week for Donald Trump, at least six judges of the DC Federal appellate Court appear poised to allow Chief Judge Jeb Boasberg to move forward with his criminal investigation of the Trump administration, including Todd Blanche. Popok brings the heat in his latest hot take. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports that Jack Smith unburdened himself, "won't be silenced" is convinced that there was "beyond a reasonable doubt" evidence to convict Trump of "serious crimes" and never once took the 5th Amendment, demonstrating how skilled and masterful his testimony was before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on what must have triggered Trump over the weekend to declare Canada "the worst in the world"-- Prime Minister Mark Carney of Canada baiting Trump by telling the New York Times that he has had to take seriously threats of a US Military invasion and draw up countermeasures! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on a new development in the Trump defamation case against the BBC, as Cassidy Hutchinson the "fly on the wall" who watched it all about Trump on Jan6 and testified for 30 hours to the J6 Committee revealed she is being investigated by Trump's DOJ and a Trump friendly Judge says out loud that he is strongly considering dismissing the case outright!?! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Unprecedented.” That's the word wildlife managers keep using to describe bear conflicts in Red Lodge. “This year has really been kind of off the charts in terms of conflicts,” says Chrissy Webb, a spokesperson with Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks.

Popok reports on AG Todd Blanche having a tell: He gets really fake "angry" and shakes his finger when he knows he's lying to the American People, and he did it again on Sunday in a series of Sunday Morning Talk Show appearances, attacking CNN and MSNOW and the free press all over again, distorting the facts about Judge Kelly's recent order; and violating the First Amendment again. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on a new blockbuster investigation conducted by the Senate Democrats led by Senator Blumenthal releasing a report today that ties Iran to the use of a US based cryptocurrency company called Tether that has close financial ties to Trump's Commerce Sec Howard Lutnick and his family business Cantor Fitzgerald. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mediators are working to revive US-Iran talks despite diplomatic sticking points. An explosive civil lawsuit has forced a fresh look into a gang-rape case at Cornell University. Questions swirl after British police released five men accused of plotting a terror attack at a UK airbase. Experts weigh in on Nvidia's new tool to keep AI agents in check. Plus, SpaceX's historic Starship flight delivered mixed results. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In breaking news, Popok reports that just hours after dining with Trump a the Chinese State Dinner, the Supreme Court far right justices dealt him a serious blow in his efforts to steal the House at the midterms, ruling for the THIRD TIME that Missouri cannot use a 7-1 MAGA advantage congressional map for the midterms (and likely beyond). Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Popok reports on Attorney General Todd Blanche not only missing another court ordered deadline to start turning over all the foreign language Epstein documents to the public and Katie Phang, but also filed a response to her suit in which he is too busy bragging about Trump than in answering her suit and its allegations, even going so far as to denying things that are actually being litigated before the Judge! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scott MacFarlane joins Popok for an exclusive Legal AF briefing about Jack Smith's testimony before the Senate ahead of the midterms; Trump's miscalculations in cutting off the media from the White House when he needs them most; and Republican candidates trying desperately to break free from Trump's death grip and murder-suicide pact on the campaign trail. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports in breaking news on Trump, trying to impress another first amendment abuser and dictator in China's President, BLOCKED CNN / MS NOW / Politico from covering the Chinese State Dinner. How soon will Judge Kelly today issue and Order to Show Cause, drag WH officials in to testify, and find them all in Contempt?!? Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok is joined by NAACP General Counsel Kristen Clarke for an exclusive briefing on what her team along with the Wells' family are doing to obtain justice for Nolan, an 18 year old black teen who died under mysterious circumstances on the 4 of July Weekend on a federal island in Mississippi during a boating excursion with friends--the only person to drown (with no eyewitnesses?) among hundreds out on the water that day. https://naacp.org/people/kristen-clarke The Nolan Wells Tip Line set up by attorney Ben Crump's team is: 888-991-1772 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Special Intensive Revision of electoral rolls, which began in Bihar last year, has resulted in more than 13 crore names being removed from draft rolls across 30 States and Union Territories, putting the Election Commission at the centre of an intense public debate.But questions about the exercise were also raised within the three-member Election Commission itself. An investigation by The Indian Express found that Election Commissioners Sukhbir Singh Sandhu and Vivek Joshi formally objected, at least 14 times over 10 months, to decisions taken and orders issued, they say, without their knowledge.In this episode, we discuss this unprecedented rift within the Election Commission with The Indian Express' Ritika Chopra, who investigated the story.Hosted and produced by Shashank BhargavaEdited and mixed by Suresh Pawar

Amidst the growing scandal over Don Jr's acceptance of an offshore $250,000 payment for his “wedding” from a Russian Oligarch tied directly to Putin, there are questions that must be answered. Is that payment the reason Trump refused to attend the wedding, and what did Trump know, and when did he know it? Did Putin approve of the payment through a Putin-controlled energy company, boxing company, and Dubai offshore accounts? Did the payment get made to soften Trump up before his meeting with the Chinese delegation since the Oligarch had just visited China with Putin the week before? Popok follows the growing scandal and the 4th GOP Senator now calling for an immediate Senate Judiciary Committee investigation of the Trump Family's possible corrupt ties. Hims: Get a personalized, affordable plan for you at https://HIMS.com/LEGALAF Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Peter Miscovich is Global Future of Work and AI Transformation Americas Consulting Leader at JLL. He explores how AI is reshaping the future of work, leadership, and workplaces. Drawing on three decades of office design and workplace transformation, Peter traces the shift from headquarters-centred work to distributed, hybrid, and AI-enabled models. He discusses employee autonomy, flexibility, and intentional in-person connection. Peter describes the disciplined decisions AI adoption demands and why adaptive thinking, emotional resilience and a more human approach are needed. He explains the elevated importance of systems thinking, cross-functional leadership, and emotional resilience as human-AI work and workforces evolve.     KEY TAKEAWAYS   [01:27] Peter combines engineering studies with love of the humanities as his guiding principles.    [02:38] Interior workplace design in New York leads Peter to consider missing human needs.   [04:35] Early corporate offices reflect militaristic organisational models which are highly structured.   [05:25] New designs with the 'action office' then desktop computers begin changing workplaces.   [06:22] More collaboration starts to transform offices, with 'alternative' workplaces.    [07:19] Consulting lets Peter combine workplace design, technology, and organizational advice.   [08:48] Laptops, hoteling, and shared spaces give some firms new ways to work.   [09:41] Early alternative workplaces require repeated experimentation, learning, and perseverance.   [10:46] Workplace transformation is first ego and brand driven as financial services firms compete.    [12:14] Mobile devices, WiFi and Silicon Valley campuses in the 2010s reshape workplace expectations.   [12:59] Pandemic conditions show CEOs remote working possibilities while many tensions continue.   [15:24] Workplace strategies are still in play, influenced by leaders' personal and emotional experiences.   [16:18] Peter's clients are already planning for workforces and workplaces in 2030 and beyond.   [18:27] The future of work is a marathon with accelerated dynamism that hinders long-term plans.   [19:41] Leaders need adaptability agility, and emotional resilience to work through uncertainty.   [20:45] Effective teams can accept ambiguity and develop answers together as conditions change.   [22:49] Return to office pushes follow earlier cycles of enthusiasm and retreat from hybrid work.   [23:42] Close working relationships can develop digitally, in-person frequency needs exploring.   [24:30] People value autonomy, flexibility, and meaningful opportunities to engage in person.   [26:22] Managing AI at scale requires changes in leadership, behaviour, and operations.   [27:10] The internet's impact took 10 years. AI is advancing faster than human adoption capacity.   [28:28] Legacy processes and tech make effective AI adoption a trial and error learning process.   [29:00] Leaders need disciplined safeguards and realistic expectations about AI's benefits.   [30:05] AI's convergence with robotics and other technologies brings opportunities and challenges.   [32:06] More progressed (20% of JLL clients) organizations invest in both talent and technology.   [33:00] One high performing client's executives have combined upskilling employees and deploying AI agents widely.   [33:25] Inconsistent data, outdated systems, and insufficient training hold other organizations back.   [34:22] Cheaper, more pervasive AI could ease organizational problems or make them worse.   [35:44] Effective AI integration depends on aligned leadership, investment, processes, and governance.   [37:00] Strong technology literacy helps leaders and employees align and participate in change.   [38:44] HR, IT, real estate, and business leaders increasingly need to work together.   [39:52] Leaders across functions need broader skills as their responsibilities increasingly overlap.   [40:49] Peter sees financial, operational, and administrative leadership responsibilities converging.   [41:11] The human element grows more important as workplace technology advances.   [42:40] Peter's meditation practice supports the resilience and wellbeing he considers essential.   [43:34] Peter urges organizations to develop adaptive leadership and systems thinking.   [44:00] Technology symbiosis to discover technology's strengths to support human creativity and performance.   [45:35] Conversation and debate help people explore and update their ideas and opinions.       RESOURCES   Peter Miscovich on LinkedIn JLL's website JLL's Future of Work Survey 2026     QUOTES   "At a basic human level, people appreciate autonomy and flexibility. They want intentional engagement that's meaningful. I think that construct is still being developed."   "With all the technology advanced, the human element is probably more important today than ever."   "You have to sit with the complexity, be comfortable with the uncertainty, and be comfortable with ambiguity. You have to understand that I don't have the answer, but maybe together we can figure out an answer for the moment. That takes an adaptive mindset."   "The challenge today is that technology is advancing faster than human adoption capacity can manage the adoption of it."   "We also have to take away the hype that AI is going to transform a business in three months or that it can do everything and solve every human and business problem that ever existed. How do we manage it? It will take time and it will take discipline."   Focus on technology symbiosis means "working with technology in the most constructive and productive way for human performance…understanding what AI can do well and what it cannot do well, then working with those capabilities and hopefully uplifting our own."

September 23rd, 2026; 4pm: Nicolle Wallace anchors continuing coverage of a hearing over Trump's ban of MSNOW, CNN and Politico from the White House -- as legal experts call the move an attack on free speech and the First Amendment.For more, follow us on Instagram @deadlinewh For more from Nicolle, follow and download her podcast, “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” wherever you get your podcasts.To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Popok comments on new reporting that Trump's "office wife" Natalie Harp responsible for most of his crazed social media posts, triggered him to BAN CNN, MSNOW and Politico, leading to today's emergency hearing for injunction before Judge Kelly. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on the Fox News Washington Bureau Chief, Bryan Boughton, telling the White House that there will not be any "white house pool coverage" of Trump's events including at the UN while CNN and others are banned, forcing Trump to scramble to set up inferior video feeds to cover him including little watched "Real American Voice." Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a special edition of Legal AF, Popok is joined by journalist and lawyer Katie Phang for an in depth debriefing of developments in her successful case to obtain a special master against the DOJ and their mishandling of the Epstein Files. Katie: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZl9z2UMvN9mwpUoU9-E9bA https://substack.com/@UCZl9z2UMvN9mwpUoU9-E9bA Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

CNN and other news entities responded to being banned by not only filing an Emergency suit and temporary restraining order motion, but also CUTTING THE FEED to the White House and refusing to cover news events, like the ribbon cutting for the Marine One Heliopad! Popok reports on the breaking developments in the case including the assignment of a very favorable judge that is driving Trump up the wall! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on breaking news, as Judge Sullivan enters a late night order DENYING the DOJ and AG Todd Blanche's motion to stay his order that they immediately produce this week all FOREIGN LANGUAGE DOCUMENTS contained in the Epstein Files.  Trump will now file an emergency motion with the Appellate Court for the stay which will now depend on whether 1, 2 or no Trump appointed judges are on the 3 judge panel! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In breaking news, Judge Sullivan in Katie Phang's case has DENIED AG Todd Blanche and the DOJ's request to stay his order requiring that the DOJ start producing all Epstein foreign-language documents by this week, refusing to be stampeded by the DOJ's late request. Popok reports on Katie's uninterrupted string of successes in her case on behalf of the Survivors and the public and what will likely happen next at the appellate court (depending upon how many Trump-appointed judges end up on the panel!) Smart Credit: Head to https://smartcredit.com/legalaf and start your 7-day trial for just $1. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Trump administration has lost more political appointees than any other recent president in the first year and a half of their term. And Trump appointees who have already left spent record-short amounts of time in their positions. The rapid and widespread departures are creating unprecedented turnover rates, according to new research from the Partnership for Public Service. For more, Federal News Network's Drew Friedman sat down with the author of that research report, Chris Piper.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Popok reports on new signs of Trump's dementia, as he tries to save his "Triumphal Arch" from certain doom, by converting it into a FLAMMABLE MUNITIONS and DRONE DEPOT in the middle of a heavily trafficked traffic circle filled with tourists and commuters, every terrorists wet dream as a target. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on the Department of Justice's latest attempt to protect Trump by telling Judge Sullivan in Katie Phang's Epstein documents case that they will NOT comply with his order and produce foreign language documents this week without a further fight! What are they hiding! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tickets for AIE NYC now open, and apply for the invite-only AIE CODE. Join us!We have an unusual relationship with today's guest: for years since coauthoring the InstructGPT paper, Diogo Almeida had been saying that API-available frontier models have been going down the wrong path, everything from the alignment to refusals to reliability perspectives, that we have dropped every mode other than autoregressive chat-tuned LLMs because of the overwhelming success of ChatGPT.In a launch video now viewed ~40M times (by comparison, GPT4o was 22M, Fable 5 was 15M, Navier Stokes was 74M, and 6 Astra was 137M), Diogo introduced Jev and it immediately took over the AI timeline — we'll skip full Jev explainers because your favorite AI influencer/educator has probably already done one. We also collected:* the official patterns and cookbooks you should see first, from Allie* Jev usecases* speed based - games and computer use* the voice + computer use example we discuss at 1h34 mins* voice + browser control* The must not miss Doom demo* Driving cars in games* Excalidraw* virtual try-ons* “Smart Games”/smart NPCs* guided responses in text messages* Jev for coding agents has an official guide * jev for linting* compacting tool calls* reasonable pushback from Theo - Diogo has published a note on the Tyranny of the KV Cache that you should read as a followup after the pod for Jev + coding agents, because of his belief that Cache Rules Everything* Programming Languages built atop Jev (Diogo's fave)* Jev for analytics replay and user journey review* “dark data”* entity resolution* natural language search* “smart software”* a core goal of Jev is to “disappear into the background” - eg as unremarkable as regex* Jev as a judge* Jev memes* Jev vs LLM capabiltiies* blending transformers and classifiers* about the confidence api* Jev vs GLiNER (note difference/pushback, agreed, agreed, agreed)* Jev on trolley problem* Jev BushInstead we'll focus on what we can uniquely offer — a broader philosophical and mission-based understanding of how and why Jev was created, and what you should expect next in terms of future models from TypeSafe (ReasoningJev?) and what usecases and ideas you should work on vs the 55th low effort clone of Jev's API or doing a generic JevBench benchmark - something Diogo has rejected publicly.Why RLCD: Three kinds of RLHF, and why they are ALL the wrong north starDiogo knows a good deal about RLHF, given that he was on the team that pioneered post-training at OpenAI — and traces the three branches to Christiano et al 2017 (the robot backflip demo), Stiennon et al 2020 (learning to summarize) and his baby, Ouyang et al 2022 (InstructGPT). From there on, every innovation from Function Calling to Structured Outputs to Reasoning felt like a hack on top of the string based, sequence to sequence prediction paradigm. As he mentions on the pod, from 2023-2024 he struggled unsuccessfully, due to both personal and organization underestimation, to train a model that accurately addressed what he saw as the core problem with making LLMs the heart of software: reliability.Jev's core innovation is "Reinforcement Learning for Calibrated Decisions”, a novel, unpublished technique that optimizes for “answers with epistemically honest probabilities on System One tasks” rather than human rated feedback (RLHF) — which causes hallucinations, sycophancy, and permanent reliance on humans — or programmatically verifiable outputs with rubrics (RLVR) — which solves Navier Stokes but exacerbates jagged intelligence and doesn't integrate well with other software.We've talked about the calibration problem before on the pod, but probably the single best place to understand why RLCD became necessary is Diogo's AIE talk, which discusses why a generation of training helpful AI assistants for humans has impaired them for training models for composable, programmable AI for automation.At the end he also teases his contrarian opinion on scaling laws - which teases how to build a modern neolab without the billions of dollars the major labs have…The Bitterest Lesson: Tasks and Data beats ComputeWe spend a good amount of time discussing Diogo's essay on the Bitterest Lesson:His point is that “You get what you optimize for and the bitterest lesson in ML is that the most important part of it isn't ML at all.” - and picking the right north star, eg upvoting for user preference vs being integrated into tool calls - makes everything else fall in line.We're excited to catch up with a freshly dyed Diogo to discuss:* Why AI can solve extraordinarily hard problems but still fail to automate basic work* What System One Models are and why Jev is built for software rather than chat* RLHF, mode collapse, calibration, and the hidden costs of optimizing for human preferences* Why refusals become a problem when AI is buried inside software dependencies* Why TypeSafe rejects public benchmarks and optimizes for intelligence per dollar* The “bitterest lesson”: why the right task and the right data can matter more than compute* Why TypeSafe thinks of itself as a data lab rather than a model lab* RLCD vs. RLHF and RLVR as fundamentally different North Stars for AI* Why reliability and robustness matter more than simple determinism* Jev's programming primitives and how intelligence maps into software control flow* Why developers should decompose AI workflows into small, measurable decisions* How structured state replaces giant prompts and system messages* Why Diogo thinks AI should eventually disappear into the background of software* The “inverse SaaS-pocalypse” and how AI could supercharge existing software* System One vs. System Two intelligence and the limits of reasoning models* Dark data, computer use, real-time intelligence, and Jev's biggest early use cases* Why Jev could reshape coding agents built around a single-model architecture* Why Diogo says he wouldn't pre-train with $1 billion* The OpenAI journey that led to TypeSafe and why he thinks many neo-labs are approaching AI incorrectly* Coding agents beyond the KV cache, shared state, sub-agents, and the multi-agent futureDiogo Almeida* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/diogomda* X: https://x.com/CompleteSkeptic* TypeSafe AI: https://typesafe.ai/Timestamps00:00:00 Jev Launch Week and the AI Economic Revolution00:02:50 What Is Jev? System One Models and Programmable AI00:05:54 RLHF, Mode Collapse, Calibration, and Yann LeCun00:10:29 Programmatic AI, Refusals, and Safety Alignment00:17:21 Why TypeSafe Rejects Public Benchmarks00:20:43 The Bitterest Lesson: Data, Compute, and the Right Task00:24:59 RLCD vs. RLHF and RLVR00:28:42 Why Powerful AI Still Hasn't Automated the Economy00:39:55 Reliability, Robustness, and Determinism00:48:11 Model Versioning, LTS, Speed, and Intelligence per Dollar00:54:04 Inside Jev's API and Programming Primitives00:58:28 How to Build with Jev: Structure, Decomposition, and Small Decisions01:18:28 The Inverse SaaS-pocalypse and AI Disappearing into Software01:33:21 Computer Use, Dark Data, and Jev's Biggest Use Cases01:38:48 How Jev Could Reshape Coding Agents01:41:00 AI Safety, Frontier Pacing, and the Limits of RLVR01:48:03 Why Diogo Wouldn't Pre-Train with $1 Billion01:55:19 The OpenAI Story Behind TypeSafe02:01:41 Why Diogo Thinks Most Neo-Labs Are Getting AI Wrong02:08:00 Coding Agents Beyond the KV Cache and the Multi-Agent FutureTranscriptIntroduction: Jev Launch Week and Developer MomentumSwyx [00:00:00]: Okay, we're in the studio. A special occasion because this week, Diogo, my good buddy, launched Jev, and it's been taking over the complete timeline. How do you feel? What's it like to be you right now?Diogo Almeida [00:00:16]: Emotionally?Swyx [00:00:17]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:00:17]: Never been worse. Like, I'm a ragged corpse of a person right now because there's so much going on, and I'm like a technical CEO, so I have, like, a lot of fires to fight.Swyx [00:00:29]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:00:29]: But mentally, I feel—I say this all the time, and I've been saying this kind of for years in my over-under events. Like, I feel like the entire AI field is like one of those, like, carnival house of mirrors, and everyone is just insane and saying the weirdest stuff that doesn't make sense. And it feels like for just this week, like, I'm on a better in sync with reality and like, oh, people see it now. AI can be so much more than what was once thought.Diogo Almeida [00:01:06]: And like, yes, we are going to make. Like, an AI-based economic revolution is back on the table, and this is f*****g awesome.Diogo Almeida [00:01:17]: I'm so jazzed the developers get it. It's, it's, Yeah, and I want to show my eternal gratitude to the developers andSwyx [00:01:25]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:01:26]: I'm so jazzed about the community and everything. It's so great.Swyx [00:01:28]: Yeah, you were saying yesterday that you decided to prioritize the town hall and not a bunch of, like, VIP, investor-type people because you wanted to make sure that they are the people that you get your most, attention, right? The engineers, the developers.Diogo Almeida [00:01:43]: Yeah, it felt a little like, oh man, I'm talking to, like, really important people right now.Swyx [00:01:47]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:01:47]: I probably shouldn't reveal who.Swyx [00:01:48]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:01:48]: But it feels a little bit dirty for me to, I'm, like, perhaps overly genuine in things. Like, it feels, like, dirty if, like, in my gigantic calendar event of people to talk to, the community isn't one of those.Swyx [00:02:04]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:02:04]: And actually, in my ideal world, it would be, like, community all the time. I was thinking, “Should I host a town hall while walking to your studio?” And I'm like, “No, that's too crazy.”Swyx [00:02:12]: Sure. Yeah. Well, you guys have been hosting town halls on Discord. Discord is now 100,000 people. Your Twitter'sDiogo Almeida [00:02:19]: I don't follow these stats.Swyx [00:02:20]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:02:20]: So holy s**t.Swyx [00:02:21]: Your Twitter's blown up. It was, it was really funny ‘cause, like, at AIE, you were like, “Yeah, follow me please,” and then you didn't, like, provide even your handle.Diogo Almeida [00:02:29]: I'm a noob. I'm a noob.Swyx [00:02:29]: You're such a noob.Diogo Almeida [00:02:30]: I'm a noob.Swyx [00:02:31]: But no, but that, like, that's, like, positive aura that, likeDiogo Almeida [00:02:33]: CoolSwyx [00:02:33]: You don't know how to promote yourself.Diogo Almeida [00:02:35]: Yeah. Someone, like, called me out when I posted, like, “Holy s**t, we're all three twending-- trending topics.” And then they're like, “That's a personal feed.”Swyx [00:02:42]: That's a personal, yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:02:43]: And I'm like, “Oh, no.”Swyx [00:02:44]: Of course, of course it'll trend to you.Diogo Almeida [00:02:45]: Cringe. Yeah.Swyx [00:02:45]: Yes, ‘cause it's what you clicked on.Diogo Almeida [00:02:47]: Yeah.Swyx [00:02:47]: So okay. Let's, Yeah, so congrats on everything.What Is Jev? System 1 Models and Intelligence per DollarDiogo Almeida [00:02:50]: Thank you.Swyx [00:02:50]: We'll talk about more, details as you have them. But let's, for people who are, like, living under a rock or just want, like, the definitive thing, what is Jev?Diogo Almeida [00:03:02]: Whew. Let me think about. That's a hard one.Swyx [00:03:07]: Okay. And I'm happy to, like, re-ask if you wanna kind ofDiogo Almeida [00:03:09]: No. I'm happy toSwyx [00:03:10]: OkayDiogo Almeida [00:03:10]: I'm happy to, like, just jam on it.Swyx [00:03:12]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:03:13]: I will say, like, the first thing that I'm relieved about with this question is now I don't have to answer that question to my parents anymore ‘cause ChatGPT can just explain it.Swyx [00:03:20]: Nice.Diogo Almeida [00:03:21]: So the way I see it is we new-- need a new class of models. We're not attached to naming that class of models. Our-- the most accurate name we've come up with is System 1 models.Swyx [00:03:33]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:03:33]: There will be reasons, but it's-- there's a reason why we don't call them decision models, because, like, they will be. Like, System 1 is beyond that. That's all I can say. We didn't expect this to be our big launch, so we have stuff in the tank.Swyx [00:03:48]: You should have said low-key research preview.Diogo Almeida [00:03:52]: It kind of was, right? It kind of was. But we. So there's a class of models that we describe them as, like, machine-native, System 1, large programmable. I think these are-- is the class of models where the goal is for code to be the consumer. So as opposed to, lar-- pre-trained large language models, which are meant for, like, autocomplete of the internet, or RLHF models, like chatbot instruction-following models, which are meant to, like, reply to text, or RLVR. It's in a weird gray area with RLHF. Like, these are meant to have things that directly are consumed by code, hence the name type safe. So the thing we really want is to have, like, AI, like, be as powerful as possible, and we think the way to do that is to integrate it with software. And we are designing everything, beyond just the outside, the deep internals of the model to be optimized for software. So number one, Jev is our first large programmable model, or a System 1 model, whatever you want to call it. Jev is meant to be optimized for intelligence per dollar, hence the name Jev.Swyx [00:05:03]: Jevons Paradox.Diogo Almeida [00:05:03]: Jevons Paradox, yeah. And it's optimized for intelligence per dollar. I love this debate with people about what is the most important between reliability, cost, calibration, and speed. And Jev is meant to be. Jev will be the name of models that will be on the frontier of intelligence per dollar. There's other ways to optimize it, like, ML, or at least if you're good at ML, it's all about trade-offs. And we are just going all out on that.Calibration, Mode Collapse, and the Limits of RLHFSwyx [00:05:31]: Yeah. And to me, like, calibration is one of the new things that people weren't talking about as much. We've done an episode In the past, with Clementine Foreia of Hugging Face, where they were like, “Yeah, actually, y- they're just.” Or, and this is your whole argument about RLHF, is they're more collapsing towards what you want to hear the mostDiogo Almeida [00:05:50]: OohSwyx [00:05:50]: Or what is most likely, instead of, like, their own internal confidence about a thing.Diogo Almeida [00:05:54]: Can I soapbox on that for a second?Swyx [00:05:56]: Go ahead. Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:05:57]: Cool. Like, I've been heard that your audience is the most technical, so I actually want to get into that.Swyx [00:06:02]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:06:03]: And if- I went through extreme precision to make sure everything in our launch video is accurate and real. Apparently, that's very unusual. One of the things that no one paid attention to was the downsides of RLHF, in particular mode dropping.Swyx [00:06:17]: Mode dropping or mode collapse?Diogo Almeida [00:06:19]: It's the same thing.Swyx [00:06:19]: Is that what you call it?Diogo Almeida [00:06:20]: It's the same thing.Swyx [00:06:20]: All right.Diogo Almeida [00:06:21]: And I wanna have a blog on this eventually, but I, like, want to tell as many people this as possible ‘cause I think it's a very interesting thing. So the spicy take, I believe in Yann LeCun a lot. I think Yann LeCun's takes are actually among the closest toSwyx [00:06:36]: What about this?Diogo Almeida [00:06:37]: Well, should I address this now or should I wait and go into mode collapse?Swyx [00:06:40]: No, later. Go mode, go mode collapse. I don't know.Diogo Almeida [00:06:42]: So I actually think that among takes, Yann LeCun's is among the most accurate. But he has this very famous/infamous slide about,Swyx [00:06:52]: The cake?Diogo Almeida [00:06:53]: LLMs are doomed.Swyx [00:06:54]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:06:54]: Like that one where he, like, has, like, a pie chart with, like, a tiny par-- tiny little thing- and says that as you increase sequence length, the probability of it making an error goes in. Yes, this one. This one. I love this one, because it's one of these things that seems mathematically obvious, but is obviously wrong, right? Like, it's mathematically obvious, but it doesn't empirically hold. And this is my favorite thing to teach people about, like, where youSwyx [00:07:21]: What's the disconnect, right?Diogo Almeida [00:07:22]: Exactly. And may I or you want to tell me?Swyx [00:07:27]: About mode collapse?Diogo Almeida [00:07:28]: Oh, no. Oh, so mode clop-- collapse is related to this.Swyx [00:07:31]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:07:31]: The disconnect happens because if you are in a mode covering or a calibrated distribution, you are, like, not. You are not overly punished about having outliers. You'd expect, like, something. Some amount of the time you'd be out of distribution, some amount of time you'd be in distribution. That's what happens when you cover the distribution. This was like models before GANs. They made blurry images, right?Diogo Almeida [00:07:54]: Instead, GANs mode drop. They, like, drop the minority classes and just do the really common ones. And this is why this effect doesn't happen, right? Like, instead of be-- in order to generate really long strings, without making errors, they need to, like, be extremely conservative because it's e- really easy to see when an error happens. It's very hard to see when, like, a subtle thing that looks correct happens. And that calibration is, like, total poison into, like, the probability distributions of strings.Swyx [00:08:22]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:08:23]: And it's, it's a nuanced take and like, I think that This is why this doesn't happen, and this is why strings are so bad at, decision-making or, overloading the string models are for decision-making is, like, a bad time.Yann LeCun, JEPA, Scaling Laws, and Practical ResearchSwyx [00:08:38]: And while we're on the topic of Yann, do you agree that his fix i- with-- which is like a world model, like a JEPA-type, embedding thing is the right solve? So basically, like, the. One of the reasons that it could fail is because you're trying to reason over token outputs and then, and then just looping back again and going. Keep, continuing going until you reach, like, a end of sentence. Like, is that, And his solve is JEPA, right?Diogo Almeida [00:09:02]: Yes.Swyx [00:09:02]: Which is, like, joint ambition,Diogo Almeida [00:09:04]: YeahSwyx [00:09:04]: Joint embedding prediction. So like, is that the solve or, like, do you have a. Do you have a take on that?Diogo Almeida [00:09:10]: Oh, man. I probably shouldn't talk too much about the insides of ML, but I will say that my brand, other than unhinged, is practical.Diogo Almeida [00:09:20]: Like, even my take here is practical. And like, I'm. Am I a scaling law fan? Depends. It dep-- it's, it's, it's, like, it's. Scaling laws tell you how much better you get at a thing for amount in.Diogo Almeida [00:09:33]: A scaling law does mean exponentially more resources for normally sublinear gains, which looks to be a bad investment unless those, like, linear gains are, like, really valuable. But it's all. To me, it's all about, like, what can we do with what we have to make the biggest possible f*****g difference? I can curse.Swyx [00:09:51]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:09:51]: Yeah.Swyx [00:09:52]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:09:52]: Yeah.Swyx [00:09:53]: We're, we're, we're approved for adults.Diogo Almeida [00:09:54]: Hell yeah.Swyx [00:09:55]: And also we have a scaling law thing if you wanna go into that later.Diogo Almeida [00:09:58]: Oh, I could if we. See, that part is not super relevant right now.Swyx [00:10:02]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:10:03]: I actually. If you wanna go into my bitterest lesson, I think that's more relevant.Swyx [00:10:06]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:10:06]: But like, to me, I'm all about, like, pragmatics. And I think that the JEPA stuff is really cool early research. I really love awesome research. Is it practical yet?Diogo Almeida [00:10:21]: Probably shouldn't say. But like, there's just a lot of.Diogo Almeida [00:10:29]: I just think there's just, like, so many diamonds in the rough let all over the research world right now that haven't been polished because people don't know how to, like, do the right task. And I think that what our launch did, it. Does it kickstart us as a company? Like, yes. Will it be great for us as a company? Yes. I think it's gonna be, like, even greater for this direction of, like, programmatic AI. There was going to be, like, a gold rush on top of us for. ‘cause, like, software is super f*****g charged. But I think there's gonna be a gold rush parallel to us as well on, like, all the different ways we can expose things to make software more powerful so people can make even cooler stuff. And then we are back to, like, early internet energy?Swyx [00:11:12]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:11:12]: And I think that's why, like, the Twitter is just like, “Jev.”? It's, it's like. It is a partySwyx [00:11:18]: It's inspiring because it's, it's, like, so different than what we're used to, which is, “I'm sorry you can't do this, but we do scaling laws and only the big labs can do it,” right?Diogo Almeida [00:11:28]: That. Actually, if I. I'll, I'll make a tangent if that's okay.Swyx [00:11:32]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:11:32]: I think you might enjoy this.Swyx [00:11:33]: Really? Our five tangents in. It's good. It's fun. Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:11:35]: Oh, yeah. I get lost at all my tangents.Swyx [00:11:37]: This is gonna be horrible for the listeners to figure it out, but they're gonna figure it out. It's fine.Safety Alignment, Refusals, and API PhilosophyDiogo Almeida [00:11:40]: Yeah, we can edit it in post.Swyx [00:11:40]: This is my response. Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:11:41]: So popular thing on Discord, that people keep asking me, I haven't had the time to explain it yet, is why am I opposed to safety alignment and why do we not refuse? I'm not opposed to safety as a principle, but I think that safety alignment is generally misaligned with users. And refusal is just, like, obviously a type error. Like, if you're a human being and you're chatting with, like, a bot or whatever, you're cloud coding, and a refusal happens, like, “I'm sorry, I can't read DNA.py.” that's an annoying time. It's anno- it's, it's annoyingDiogo Almeida [00:12:18]: Right? But you can work with it, right? And you're forced to work with it ‘cause of Stockholm syndrome.Diogo Almeida [00:12:23]: I have stories about that too. I need another tangent deep in here. But like, if you ever want this in a dependency running in the background, what happens if that refuses? What if someone else is using that dependency? They don't know what that system is. Like, you want the software to just stochastically break because a user sent, like, a weird message in there?Diogo Almeida [00:12:42]: Like, that is, like, straight-up insanity. It's coming from a place of, like, people who do not understand software, do not understand programming, and like, they are obsessed with, like, I believe this, horseless carriage of, like, AI coworker instead of unearthing, like, the full power of AI.Swyx [00:13:01]: Fair enough.Diogo Almeida [00:13:01]: Yeah.Swyx [00:13:01]: You want something that is the core kernel that is usable everywhere.Diogo Almeida [00:13:05]: Yes. Exactly. Like, the cognitive core, right?Swyx [00:13:07]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:13:08]: And you need this thing to be s- like, so general, so optimized for its use cases. You want it to be, like, you want it to work on all the future use cases, all the weird s**t that people are doing.Swyx [00:13:19]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:13:19]: We obviously didn't train on any of that stuff. Is it surprising that it works? No, ‘cause we trained on weirder stuff, my friend.Diogo Almeida [00:13:28]: So. But one tangent up about, like, safety alignment.Swyx [00:13:32]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:13:32]: Safety alignment makes sense for a product, in my opinion, for, like, ChatGPT and Claude. Like, it, What safety, what makes safety and capability alignment different is capability alignment is, like, about doing what the user wants. That is sick for software engineers. They want their thing to do the thing, and the more predictable it is, the less they have to test it and play around with it. Jeb is not anywhere close to that yet. It could be, but like, there's so many more nines of reliability that we want in order to make it so good, like a database query, that you don't even have to think about it. It is just there when you need intelligence. But safety alignment is, like, the opposite of instruction following. It's when you want to follow someone else's instructions, like OpenAI and AnthropicSwyx [00:14:13]: The RAGs value stack.Diogo Almeida [00:14:14]: Exactly. And this makes a lot of sense for a product. Again, like, ChatGPT should do. Y- you sh- like, if they don't want to, like, do, like, some, not-safe-for-work role play with ChatGPT, that's on them because, like, maybe that's, what their users who have, like, parents and kids want. Like, n- that's fine. But in an API, that's nuts, right? Like, that's completely unacceptable because, like, people need to, like, program around this, and that is, that's so anti-user that it's. It. I'm. Huh. I can be an angry person, so I should try to calm down.Swyx [00:14:52]: It's, People get your passion, and I think that's really good. The one pushback I'll give you is, like, what if we use it to kill people, right? Like, that is the actual. Like, n- the not-safe-for-work thing, it's private, personal, whatever. But like, yes, like, we will use it in war. And like, that is, something that companies can reasonably prefer their APIs not be used for.Diogo Almeida [00:15:14]: I get that. I think that there's, like, pragmatic places where that opinion can be held. I don't think the foundation of, like, a general-purpose technology is that place, personally.Diogo Almeida [00:15:27]: Like, would I prefer that our stuff is not used to kill people? Obviously. Would I prefer it's used for, like, all sorts of, like, great stuff in the world? Obviously. Will I put my thumb in the scale for that? Yes. Will I do it at the technological layer? Absolutely not, because that will fracture the intelligence. Every single time you mean it to overfit to some weird stuff, you're fracturing its intelligence more and more. And like, these things are fractured to the, like. They're so darn fractured right now.Swyx [00:15:54]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:15:54]: So and as a furthermore thing, to me, it's like I think intelligence will be more like a database than a coworker. Like, I don't think it's up to databases to add checks on whether or not they're used for, like, what's something that's not great? Like, CIA. Actually, I don't know what the CIA does, really. You can imagine. You can imagine, killing people who are not even bad or whatever.Diogo Almeida [00:16:21]: And like, I don't think it's the database's responsibility for that. And furthermore, like, a thing that has been weird to me is when people, like, sign up for our thing on Slack and they're like, “Hey, we're gonna deploy this. Can we deploy this thing?” I am just like, “My brother, we are an API. You are a developer. It's none of my business,” right? Like, you shouldn't know what the whole task even isSwyx [00:16:46]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:16:46]: Because it should be decomposed into small things. We shouldn't be able to know what the downstream users are doing, and that is, like, a good boundary to give software engineers maximum power. Ideally, they use it for the good stuff, and ideally, we can, like, help them and like, we've talked about, like, doing open source and charity and all of that. We have absolutely no time for anything else right now. But like, they will get any of that bias out of the technological layer as long as I'm in charge.Privacy, Benchmarking, and Trusting IntelligenceSwyx [00:17:11]: Yeah, that's great. While we're on the topic, let's also briefly talk about your privacy stuff, terms of ser- terms of use, which, got a little bit ofDiogo Almeida [00:17:18]: OohSwyx [00:17:18]: Misunderstanding. I just wanna clarify that upfront.Diogo Almeida [00:17:21]: Hell yeah.Swyx [00:17:21]: I think this probably takes two sentences from you about, like, you will not. You're not being that restrictive about your API. Like, clearlyDiogo Almeida [00:17:27]: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, so yeahSwyx [00:17:27]: Ideologically, you articulate your role as a platform very seriously.Diogo Almeida [00:17:30]: Yes. Yes. I don't know what you're referring to, but like, this was. I've seen a couple of things about, like, benchmarking.Swyx [00:17:38]: Yes.Diogo Almeida [00:17:38]: Like, obviously we're not stopping people from do. Oh, man, I should be careful about what I say. I'm realizingSwyx [00:17:43]: No, you said, you said it publicly thatDiogo Almeida [00:17:44]: YeahSwyx [00:17:44]: That was in the preview period. You didn't take it out for the launch.Diogo Almeida [00:17:47]: Yeah. Okay.Swyx [00:17:47]: And now you're gonna take it out.Diogo Almeida [00:17:48]: So the team is doing stuff thatSwyx [00:17:49]: YesDiogo Almeida [00:17:49]: I'm not even aware of, so it's great to know the team communicated that. I asked them to check in with the lawyers about that.Swyx [00:17:54]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:17:54]: Like, we are obviously not stopping people from doing that type of thing. I'm extremely in favor. So I'm extremely anti-public benchmarks. I'm extremely in fa- I'm medium about private benchmarks that are proxies. ISwyx [00:18:09]: So are you worried about, saturation or, like, training on public benchmarks? So it's, like, easy to cheat.Diogo Almeida [00:18:15]: Not only is it easy to cheat, there's a lot of ins. So I think that we are. Or anyone who's, like, competition with us that, vaguely there is. Like, you could say, likeSwyx [00:18:28]: There's like 50 Jev clones, yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:18:30]: Well, sure.Swyx [00:18:31]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:18:32]: Well, the, these. Let's say that there is competition.Swyx [00:18:34]: And we'll talk about those. Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:18:34]: Or let's just say that there's. Let's just assume that there's an industry two years from now of people who are doing similar things to us. The thing that we are selling is intelligence per something, per, like, dollar or per second. The. No one. Like, people obsess about the cost and the speed. I believe that is. It's cool, but like, the thing that matters is the intelligence. Like, the cost and the speed are, like, are bad things. You're paying them for something, and you need the thing back, and the intelligence is what truly matters. The problem with intelligence is that there's a je ne sais quoi to it, right? Like, the good model smell. Like, the thing that happened after we launched of, like, two hours later that actually went way bigger than the video, which was like, “Holy s**t.”Swyx [00:19:16]: This is actually usable.Diogo Almeida [00:19:17]: It. WellSwyx [00:19:17]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:19:17]: It's, like, beyond that.Swyx [00:19:20]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:19:20]: Like, the. Whew, the launch was crazy, and people could really sense how hard we care about that, and that's truly what I think the long term of this is. And I think public benchmarks are antithetical to this. Like, they are a way to get people trust in intelligence because intelligence has a je ne sais quoi, but the public benchmarks are extremely gameable. Even if they try not to, they still will. Like, back in the old days, every lab had a team to collect data that looks like MMLU to make it look better, which is just benchmarking with extra steps.Diogo Almeida [00:19:58]: So I believe that in the long run, it needs to be vibes and trust until you put it into a workflow and evaluate it for that workflow and measure it and have your own sense of, like, how it does on the exact workflow that matters. And our job is to keep moving the nines of reliability. This is like an ever-present part of o- of what we need to be doing as a company, and we need to do everything to have people know that this is something we care so much about. Like, if we wanted to, we could have released Jev, like, a year and a half ago if we wanted it to be dumb.The Bitterest Lesson: Tasks, Data, and North StarsSwyx [00:20:34]: Oh.Diogo Almeida [00:20:34]: It. Like, the. My bitterest lesson, right? Like, architecture and Yeah.Swyx [00:20:40]: I'll bring it upDiogo Almeida [00:20:40]: Hell yeahSwyx [00:20:41]: Since you, since you talked about it, here.Diogo Almeida [00:20:43]: Hell yeah. T- like, Sutton says that algorithms beats compute very roughly. Data matters way more than compute, obviously. And doing the right task, having the North Star is the hardest, most important thing. This has happened, in LLM land twice so far, right? Maybe 2.2 times. There's RLHF, which, like, shifted the task to instruction following. No one realized that was possible. RLVR did, like, a tiny little, like, edit to the, to the direction, and now us, right? RLCD. We have a new task, and the goal is, programs in the loop. And yeah, data matters soSwyx [00:21:28]: RightDiogo Almeida [00:21:28]: Unbelievably much.Swyx [00:21:29]: SoDiogo Almeida [00:21:29]: Like, I can't, I can't emphasize it less.Swyx [00:21:31]: Yeah, you consider yourself a data lab rather than, like, a model lab. Is thatDiogo Almeida [00:21:35]: AbsolutelySwyx [00:21:35]: Something. That's the wording you guys use?Diogo Almeida [00:21:37]: Yeah. We are. We will always, like, care so much about data. To me, model capabilities means data. Data is so unbelievably complicated, and that is what gets nines. Like, you have no idea how much data can shift everything. Data is so important.TypeSafe as a Data Lab and Synthetic Data StrategySwyx [00:21:57]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:21:57]: Holy crap. So if people are looking for a job, we are hiring infinite data people, actually infinite.Swyx [00:22:04]: What is a good data person? Like, clearly somebody who cares about reading through the transcripts of, whatever. You've said, for example, that y- all your data is synthetic.Diogo Almeida [00:22:15]: Yep.Swyx [00:22:15]: But that's only, like, the scratching the surface, right?Diogo Almeida [00:22:18]: Yeah.Swyx [00:22:19]: Like, it's not. Like, synthetic, so what, right? Synthetic, but we have people with a lot of taste and a lot of care looking at, looking at these, articulating what's wrong, going back, regenerating. Is that what a good data person is these days?Diogo Almeida [00:22:31]: Let me try to figure out how to. Like, it's, it's super complicated, and like, I literally onboard the data people with a Talk that I assume is longer than this podcast will end up being. So I will try to say, like, the high level of it. So number one, we don't do the kind of synthetic data that people ki. Well, I'll do. Actually, number is zero. Data and synthetic data depends on your task. Like, the shape of your data. The shape of your task changes the data. Like, RLVR's data is kind of environments, right?Swyx [00:23:03]: Yes.Diogo Almeida [00:23:04]: RLHF's is the human feedback? Each task has its own unique kind of data, and we, of course, have our own unique kind of data, right? So number one, we have that. Number two, the thing I. The reason why we don't want to train on our users' data, even if we could, right? Like, we could probably ask for any terms right now, and it will. We. I don't know if it would make a difference. We truly don't want that, because no matter what, the real-world data has so much bias. There's, like, a power law of, like, people, like, asking the same things where you'll end up, like, overfitting to it and like, fracturing to it and all of that. And number two, we are, like, aiming for, like, a complete sci-fi future years from now where, like, these models are going to be, like, the general infrastructure, layers and layers and layers and deep down the stack to, like, things people can't even imagine. Like, I would like to think of our model, like, kind of like, UDP as LLMs and TCP as our models. All sorts of stuff can be built on top of that, and we need to be able to nail those futuristic use cases such that software developers can actually build that futuristic stuff. And the way to do that is even if we had all of the data of the present, we would just overfit to the present, and then it wouldn't work. What we need is to, like.Diogo Almeida [00:24:21]: It almost feels like a. Like, they're the artists? They study this cognitive core. Our cognitive core is, like, way less jagged than anyone else's. And then they find the jaggednesses, and then they address them surgically in a way that. And you can never perfectly do this, right? But they do it in such a way that it addresses it in every single possible, like, dimension, past, present, future.Swyx [00:24:45]: The general case rather than the specific case.Diogo Almeida [00:24:47]: Exactly. And like, that requires a lot of intelligence every time.RLCD vs. RLHF: Defining a New TaskSwyx [00:24:50]: Okay, so we mentioned a little bit. You sort of criticized my thinking as r-- like, very RLVR influence, which is, like, very fair. Let us actually mention RLCDDiogo Almeida [00:24:59]: OohSwyx [00:24:59]: Which obviously you have some secret sauces to our knowledge. You've never actually published a paper or anything like that on it. No, right?Diogo Almeida [00:25:05]: No, not yet.Swyx [00:25:06]: But like, what should people get from this? Like, what. Can you give people some confidence that you're just not just making up jargon for the sake of sounding cool, right? Like, one thing for me is, like, calibration I do think is a. To me, like, well understood because we've covered it in. On the podcast.Diogo Almeida [00:25:22]: Yeah.Swyx [00:25:22]: But I don't know what you mean when you say RLCD versus what people are familiar with.Diogo Almeida [00:25:26]: It's a great question.Swyx [00:25:27]: Yes.Diogo Almeida [00:25:27]: And actually, I will give a related question.Swyx [00:25:29]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:25:29]: What is RLHF?Swyx [00:25:31]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:25:31]: Right? And actually, RLHF means multiple different things, right?Swyx [00:25:34]: Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:25:34]: Like, there's the RLHF of the original. I think it was, like, Paul Christiano teaching a robot to backflip or something like that. Wasn't there somethingSwyx [00:25:42]: Was that it?Diogo Almeida [00:25:43]: That was the originalSwyx [00:25:44]: I referenced the PPO paper, but I don't know.Diogo Almeida [00:25:46]: And so PPO was not necessarily from human feedback, if I recall.Swyx [00:25:51]: Okay. That's trueDiogo Almeida [00:25:52]: But I b- I believe it was, like, an OpenAI alignment work that could teach hard to specify outputs, like a backflip. I'm not 100% sure. And then there was actually learning to summarize. This was work, by a bunch of the team that helped with, instruct-- and co-authored, the instruction following paper, which was teaching, doing PPO on language models.Swyx [00:26:15]: This is the, sorry. I'm trying to, tryingDiogo Almeida [00:26:19]: YeahSwyx [00:26:19]: Trying to manipulate this thing. This is 2017.Diogo Almeida [00:26:23]: Yeah.Swyx [00:26:23]: Right.Diogo Almeida [00:26:23]: I'm not 100% sure, but like, that looks quite right.Swyx [00:26:26]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:26:26]: If it has, like, a robot doing backflips or something like that might be it. Yes. Okay, cool. I guess I got it right. Hell yeah.Swyx [00:26:35]: There you go.Diogo Almeida [00:26:36]: Yeah.Swyx [00:26:36]: That's the one.Diogo Almeida [00:26:36]: So the idea was can, like, can you do, like, ill-specified things with it? So that's, like, version one. Version two was, the learning to summarize work, that, like, OpenAI did, which is actually, like, PPO on language models to do something somewhat ill-specified. This is, like, another thing that people refer to as RLHF Which I did not co-author.Diogo Almeida [00:26:57]: Oh, Dario's there. Cool. Hell yeah.Swyx [00:27:01]: And Radford.Diogo Almeida [00:27:02]: Yeah. Shout-outs to Alec and Ryan. Love them.Swyx [00:27:04]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:27:05]: But the thing that I refer to RLHF is the, Oh, man.Diogo Almeida [00:27:13]: I'll get toSwyx [00:27:14]: You have comments on that, yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:27:15]: I have comments on that paper, but like, we're so many, tangents deep.Swyx [00:27:18]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:27:18]: So the thing that really got. To me, the thing that I'm calling to RLHF is the task of instruction following. It's not about the PPO. That part doesn't matter. It's about, like, setting a North Star of this is a valuable direction. It's kind of like the Bitris lesson North Star.Diogo Almeida [00:27:34]: And for us, RLCD is this new task. And it is not. I don't see it as jargon. Like, I try to communicate with precision. It's just that, “Hey, here's another North Star.” Just like DPO and all of its, like, descendants also do RLHF, despite not using the algorithm in that paper.Swyx [00:27:55]: And so clear- clearly stating the North Star is, being program- programmable AI is one, word that I really catch onto, removing the human in the loop,Diogo Almeida [00:28:06]: YesSwyx [00:28:06]: From. Because RLHF is tuningDiogo Almeida [00:28:09]: YesSwyx [00:28:09]: For this so that you can automate everything.Diogo Almeida [00:28:11]: Yes. Everything that makesSwyx [00:28:13]: Did I miss anything else in the, in the thesis of, like, what the North Star is?Diogo Almeida [00:28:17]: There is. That is. That is right. I'm overly nuanced in my communication. The one nuance is that we need to be practical. We need to be aware of what language models can do really well. Like what AI can do.Diogo Almeida [00:28:30]: Right? Like, there could be programmatic types that are, like, sick AF, but if you. If the technology is not ready for it to. It's not a tragedy if that's not out in the world.Why Programmable AI MattersSwyx [00:28:41]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:28:42]: But to me, like, the pre-Jev world was a tragedy becau-- it sounds arrogant. Hear me out.Swyx [00:28:49]: No. I strongly believe you.Diogo Almeida [00:28:50]: Cool. It sounds arrogant, but like, I felt this way since long before I even had a company.Swyx [00:28:54]: Yeah. I can, I can vouch that,Diogo Almeida [00:28:56]: Yes, I've been talking about this for so longSwyx [00:28:57]: You said this at All Around Her for, like, three years.Diogo Almeida [00:28:58]: Yeah, I've been talking about this for so long. And I've been saying it because I thought it would have been easier. They say they do not do things because they. It. They're easy. They. It's ‘cause they thought it was easy, soSwyx [00:29:08]: Yeah, exactlyDiogo Almeida [00:29:09]: Something like that. I thought it. This whole project would take a week.Diogo Almeida [00:29:13]: And I was unbelievably wrong. So I am so sorry to everyone at OpenAI that I thought. I was like, “Man, I'm solving this right now.” but like, I think that the tragic thing is when. Well, I think overpromise, underdeliver is tragic too. And like, AI is super extreme on that axis. And I think RLVR is, like, the main. Well, both RLVR and RLHF are extreme perpetrators of this.Diogo Almeida [00:29:40]: But like, it. To me, it's like it's just there's just so much potential there. Like, AI is clearly so smart. I l- smart. I love this in my talks, when I ask people, like, “How can AI be so unbelievably smart? How can we, like, solve millennium prize problems in math, but still not automate even the most basics of works?” Like, really basic rote stuff that, like, the. It d- it doesn't take, like, extremely smart people to do this. It's not a satisfying job. Like, there's other things these people could be doing, but yet we need them to do, like, this ba- like, super basic- non- unsatisfying stuff because, like, we can't automate it yet, but we have this, like, supercharged engine of automation that just does not have, like, the right plugs and stuff to plug into all of this economically valuable work. And like, if the whole company of TypeSafe disappears, like, maybe it'll take, like, a year or two for people to, like, truly catch up. I actually don't know how long it'll take. If model quality matters, then we are gonna be in a very good position for a long time. But it, like, it's done, right? Like, there, like, this has changed the path of, like, technological history.Swyx [00:30:49]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:30:49]: And like, we will be exploring that space as a field.Swyx [00:30:53]: Yeah. I think, I definitely agree with that. You've created possibilities. So I think, if I can paraphrase so that people can un- also understand, you should not take the success of TypeSafe and Jev as just like, “Well, that is a new model type. Now we're done. We go back to business.” Like, no. Like, actually, there's, there are, like, five other model types that you should be exploring and like, let a thousand flowers bloom.Diogo Almeida [00:31:15]: Absolutely.Swyx [00:31:16]: Right?Diogo Almeida [00:31:16]: Like, early internetSwyx [00:31:17]: And some of that, some of which you will probably also build.Diogo Almeida [00:31:18]: Of course, yes.Swyx [00:31:19]: Yes.Diogo Almeida [00:31:19]: Early internet energy. I think it's back to tech utopia. It's no longer like, “Oh, man, like, sometimes my coding agents work, but the, all of the best ones are hoarded internally.”Swyx [00:31:29]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:31:30]: Right? It's like creation is back on the menu.Diogo Almeida [00:31:34]: ? Though it's gonna be a wild-ass world, and buckle up.Diogo Almeida [00:31:38]: It's. And I'm so jazzed about that.Manifesto, Launch Strategy, and Early Internet EnergySwyx [00:31:42]: Yeah. And now you have the funding and the momentum to do whatever you envision there, which I, which I think is, like, very gratifying to see you have after, so long of saying these thingsDiogo Almeida [00:31:53]: YeahSwyx [00:31:54]: But actually show the world.Diogo Almeida [00:31:55]: I know. I just. Such a, such an interesting thing to be a tease the whole time. Like, my talk, like, felt like it was a cliffhanger ‘cause I didn't say how the automation would occur.Swyx [00:32:05]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:32:06]: Sean reviewed our manifesto And he's like, “It's a little bit vague in these parts.”Diogo Almeida [00:32:12]: And like, “What's step one? What is, what is the intelligence model?”Swyx [00:32:16]: Well, I asked you for model, and you were like, “Yeah, model coming.”Diogo Almeida [00:32:18]: Yeah.Swyx [00:32:18]: And like, Well, I just, I mainly objected to the word composable But build prod.god is fantastic.Diogo Almeida [00:32:24]: Thank you.Swyx [00:32:24]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:32:25]: I. We've really rallied around that. I'd like to think we're not entirely a cult like some companies are.Diogo Almeida [00:32:32]: But like, we are, like, jazzed about what we're doing, and like, we are. Like, my brand is being practical, and like, we are all, like, so super-duper practical.Swyx [00:32:42]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:32:42]: It's really great.Swyx [00:32:43]: Yeah. So here. And by the way, here is the step, the secret master plan, right?Diogo Almeida [00:32:47]: Yep.Swyx [00:32:47]: Shape, the shape of machine-native composable AI.Diogo Almeida [00:32:49]: It was your idea to make a secret master plan, soSwyx [00:32:51]: It's a, it's that Elon thing. When he started TeslaDiogo Almeida [00:32:53]: YeahSwyx [00:32:53]: He was like, “Here's what we'll do.”Diogo Almeida [00:32:54]: But I did. Yeah. I'm giving official credit to you.Swyx [00:32:56]: Oh, thank you. Thank you, thank you.Diogo Almeida [00:32:56]: Yeah.Swyx [00:32:56]: Thank you. But like, you should've told me your, you're also gonna do this model launch, ‘cause you, like, you told me, you told me half of the story, and then the other half, you didn't have the doom demo at the time.Diogo Almeida [00:33:08]: Yep.Swyx [00:33:08]: You didn't have any numbers to give me.Diogo Almeida [00:33:10]: Yep.Swyx [00:33:10]: I was like, “what?”Diogo Almeida [00:33:11]: Well, the problem is I don't believe in benchmarking.Swyx [00:33:13]: Exactly.Diogo Almeida [00:33:14]: Right?Swyx [00:33:14]: Exactly.Diogo Almeida [00:33:14]: So like, it is a thing that you need to feel, and like, I think that this is the way to build long-term trust, even though it, like, hurt, it hurt us a, us a lot? Like last year when we did fundraise, no one believed us.Diogo Almeida [00:33:27]: ? Like, and they wanted just benchmarks and stuff, and we're like, “We're not gonna do that. We are principled. We're gonna stand by our guns. That rewards bad actors. I don't give a s**t, like, what you want. Like, this is who we are, and we are standing by that.” So Sorry. It's notSwyx [00:33:43]: No, yeah. Well, and in some ways, I think, like, choosing the hard path, it. But you end up making the company that you wanna work in.Diogo Almeida [00:33:49]: Yep.Swyx [00:33:50]: Right? Otherwise, if you sell out, then you're just working in, like, OpenAI but with my people, right? Which is like.Diogo Almeida [00:33:56]: Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm, I don't have too many regrets on that, obviously.Swyx [00:34:01]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:34:01]: Like, it worked out so unbelievably well. And like, I, The. I was emotional last night when I was talking about, like, the reasons I left OpenAI, and because, like, it actually had to change my wording after the launch. My phrasing was, “If an AI winter did happen and I did not do every f*****g possible thing I could to, like, avert that, I would see myself as personally responsible both for, the RLHF direction, which I think really widened overpromise versus under-deliver, and also not going all in on this because I think this is, this is where value is going to just be, like, printed.” So. And it was really cool because I feel likeDiogo Almeida [00:34:47]: The AI winter I'm worrying about is averted. Like, AI will be useful. It'll be used for automation.Diogo Almeida [00:34:53]: It's been less than a week, and like, the numbers are already undeniableSwyx [00:34:57]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:34:57]: That it's, like, being used for real work, and like, there's. It's, it's the Wild West. Yeah.Launch Traction, Tokens, Rate Limits, and Developer UsageSwyx [00:35:03]: Yeah. Can you sh- just if you have top of your head, what numbers are you seeing? Like, what's, what's, like, signups? Like, whatever you can share.Diogo Almeida [00:35:11]: I'm actually not super on top of everything. Like, the team is the ones who are telling me all of these things.Swyx [00:35:16]: Yeah, and I'm sure it's, like, changing every day, right?Diogo Almeida [00:35:17]: It's, it's,Swyx [00:35:18]: But likeDiogo Almeida [00:35:18]: It's kinda nutsSwyx [00:35:19]: If there's a milestone that you're like, “Well, yep, that's one thing we were hoping for. We reached it.”Diogo Almeida [00:35:23]: I will say a milestone that we've passed is tokens per day.Swyx [00:35:27]: Nice.Diogo Almeida [00:35:27]: And this is not, like, fleeting tokens per day.Swyx [00:35:32]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:35:32]: This is, like, even at night, like, it's constantly training, so machines are calling it and not just people trying things out.Diogo Almeida [00:35:39]: So that is, That is so cool. A trillion tokens a day is a lot.Swyx [00:35:45]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:35:45]: So surpassing that is awesome. Signups to me don't really matter. And actually, this was, like, a bit of a mistake we made, if I'm, like, totally honest. People on Twitter were calling us, like, marketing geniuses and all of that, and that was just us. We don't have a marketer. Also hiring. And we were just being our genuine, goofy, like, irreverent selves, and we were, we were just, like, offboarding people off the waitlist so hard. - Our platform team is so unbelievably cracked. I think we have more n- up nines of uptime than Anthropic while having the most Unprecedented launch ever. Like, that is kind of nuts, soSwyx [00:36:21]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:36:21]: Like, props to them.Swyx [00:36:22]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:36:23]: And the thing we didn't realize. So number one, waitlists, waitlist sign-ups don't matter for, like, a developer platform, in my opinion? I would guess that a large number of them are not even developers. So they go in, they try some queries, and a lot of people don't get it because they are not programming, right? Like, they're just like, “What? This is not a chatbot. Where's my ChatGPT 2?”Diogo Almeida [00:36:45]: Right? But if, like. I haven't exactly calculated this. My sense is that if every single human being in the world, like, just wrote a couple of queries, that would be a rounding error compared to, like, one power user's for loop that is just, like, creating value.Swyx [00:37:01]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:37:01]: And the thing we are-- didn't realize with the waitlist is, like, we could just w- off-board anyone off the waitlist. It doesn't matter. The scary part is rate limits. And then once people start getting value from that, then they just want tons and tons of rate limits because this is what software is, right? Like, you spend effort upfront to specify your rote task, and then this rote task creates more value than it takes to put in. And then now that you have thatSwyx [00:37:25]: Set it and forget, yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:37:26]: Exactly, yeah. You run it in the background. You make it a dependency, to, like, other things. You can make, like, higher level stuff. And like, you just create so much value in the world. Early internet people probably did not imagine, like, the wonder of early 2000s internet, which is still not early internet. But like, it's, it's through, no offense, composabilitySwyx [00:37:47]: NoDiogo Almeida [00:37:47]: That all of the crazy stuff happens, and I just really wanted to emphasize that in our manifesto. We are going for emergence. We are going for, like, being the catalyst. We're wanting to empower people, and we are going to do whatever we can for that, be it, like, Discords in our town hall with me wearing a garbage bag or not.Swyx [00:38:05]: And podcasts and Diogo Almeida [00:38:08]: Hell yeahSwyx [00:38:09]: Getting all that.Diogo Almeida [00:38:09]: Absolutely.Swyx [00:38:09]: Like, ‘cause I want the long form, right?Diogo Almeida [00:38:11]: Yeah.Swyx [00:38:12]: It is like, yes, we'll get past the, some of the superficial things, and then we'll go deep andDiogo Almeida [00:38:15]: Hell yeahSwyx [00:38:15]: And people will really trust and understand your mission and like, the people that, will resonate that will end up joining you or, buying you. Or No, but sorry, as a, as a customer.Diogo Almeida [00:38:27]: Oh, as a customer.Swyx [00:38:28]: As a customer, as a customer.Diogo Almeida [00:38:28]: Okay, yeah. That was funny. I'm sorry.Swyx [00:38:30]: Sorry. I didn't, I didn't mean to say that. But no, any-- one version, one very flattering version of this, like, 36 million views of your launch video.Diogo Almeida [00:38:37]: Cool. Up to 38 now.Swyx [00:38:39]: Yeah, rounding error.Diogo Almeida [00:38:40]: Yeah.Swyx [00:38:40]: Navio still has got 74. Fable 5 got 57. So like, as far as, a- and I didn't, I didn't do the stats for, like, original ChatGPT, likeDiogo Almeida [00:38:48]: YepSwyx [00:38:49]: Which there was no video.Diogo Almeida [00:38:50]: Yep.Swyx [00:38:50]: So like, up there, right?Diogo Almeida [00:38:52]: Yep.Swyx [00:38:52]: Like, as far, as far as, like, if you were to launch a Neolab in 2026, I think you're, like, number one right now, which is, like, pretty crazy.Diogo Almeida [00:38:58]: Yeah. Well, I actually would rather. I do have the shirt, like, your favorites Neola-- favorite Neolab's favorite Neolab.Swyx [00:39:05]: Huh.Diogo Almeida [00:39:05]: I don't give a s**t about being a Neolab. I think being a Neolab. Actually, we have a lot of, like, swag that's being a parody of a Neolab. One of them, one of them I have is, like, Neolab with product, which actually is not a Neolab. Like, I don't care about that, really.Swyx [00:39:20]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:39:20]: What I care about is being a reliable dev platform. So Swyx [00:39:23]: YesDiogo Almeida [00:39:24]: Appreciate the comparison, but likeSwyx [00:39:25]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:39:25]: Hopefully we transcend past them and we go back into, like, a thing-- like, a revolutionary moment for developers and like, this stable thing that people can rely on and trust.Reliability, Robustness, and DeterminismSwyx [00:39:35]: Yes. To that end, I think that's one thing that really impressed me about you guys is that, yes, you do talk about reliability. I thought it was mostly about calibration, which, like, we talk about RLCD. But actually it's also about just, like, uptime and scalability and all those things, right? They're, they're all sort of the kind.Diogo Almeida [00:39:55]: And nines.Swyx [00:39:56]: And nines.Diogo Almeida [00:39:56]: It's, likeSwyx [00:39:57]: Which uptime is, in my opinion.Diogo Almeida [00:39:58]: Oh, but that's part of it. But like, there's reliability in, like, how intelligent the thing is. Like, how consistently does it do the thing that you want? And I think that, like, the big reasoning models are very smart. In my opinion, they still lack reliability. I think there's many use cases where you-- they look like they should be smart enough to automate their work. There is economic incentive to automate that work, yet still they're not reliable enough as, at an intern because they're optimized for different things. And so like, I think that there's the reliability of being able to, like, trust the outputs. And also we are. Like, there are dimensions of reliability that we are not yet at that I'm, like, so excited by.Swyx [00:40:38]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:40:38]: Like, I want to automate the easy work before the hard work? Like, I think that's just a common sense thing to do. But to me, we will be sufficient. I don't know if there's such thing as sufficiently reliable, but I wanna get so good that people don't even need to try the model to know that it'll work. It's like, that's like what flow state is in programming, right? Like, I'm just, like, writing queries because I need intelligence in here. And like, when. For non-trivial branching, I can just write it in like a, like a type-safe System 1 query and then get the results out of it and it just branches accurately. Like, that would be so good. Like, that's the. That is the dream.Swyx [00:41:12]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:41:12]: And that is, like, going to be, like, a long slog.Swyx [00:41:16]: Yeah. We're gonna go into your API design in a little bitDiogo Almeida [00:41:19]: OohSwyx [00:41:19]: Just to give people examples and like, maybe paths not taken, that kind of stuff.Swyx [00:41:23]: One thing up the front that I do wonder about in terms of reliability is I noticed that there's no seed. There's no, And so basically, same input, do I always get the same output?Diogo Almeida [00:41:34]: SoSwyx [00:41:36]: And if not, why not?Diogo Almeida [00:41:37]: Oh, great question. So this is actually, like, a common question we have between. So reliability is actually a catchall. Like, whenever AI can't automate something, it's due to some form of reliability. Could be, like, type safety. It could be determinism. It just could be, like, it's, it's jagged, right? So reliability is a catchall. I just think that it's also a catchall for, like, what the North Star is. Re- determinism is, like, same inputs, same outputs. I do believe that this is, like, slightly interesting for unit tests, but I believe that to be the wrong North Star. I believe robustness is what peopleDiogo Almeida [00:42:16]: I don't wanna tell people what they really want, ‘cause that would be a little arrogant of me.Diogo Almeida [00:42:19]: I believe that is, like, the more important property. You want, given similar inputs, get similar outputs. And it's kind of wild how unreliable LLMs are.Diogo Almeida [00:42:31]: Like, a way that we test this is you put, like, UUIDs in, like littleSwyx [00:42:36]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:42:36]: I think they're called nonces In the prompt. And what you want is similar outputs from all of those, ‘cause it's truly semantically the same question, and that is the part where you really want. Th- like, that robustness is where, like, people get, like, burnt with AI making decisions. So I think that is the. A super-duper important property. We could also have determinism. That is, that is a thing that can be available. As far as I can, like, mentally model for programmers, like, it, I- it could be valuable for some use cases, so like, please educate me, in comments or view. But my. In general, it's easy. Determinism is something you can, like, trade off for better cost. Like, we are, we are constantly wanting to be on the intelligence per dollar frontier. We are doing, like, absolutely disgusting things to be there. Like, this is,Diogo Almeida [00:43:32]: I shouldn't say this, but no one's here to stop me.Swyx [00:43:37]: If you s- you sign off on your own PR.Diogo Almeida [00:43:40]: That is not how it works at this company. I believe for this week, my chief of staff, Kay, is the most powerful person in tech.Swyx [00:43:49]: Yeah. And shout-out to Kay for organizing this.Diogo Almeida [00:43:50]: Holy shSwyx [00:43:51]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:43:51]: Holy s**t. She is so f*****g competent and powerful. She's incredible.Diogo Almeida [00:43:58]: She sucks. Don't poach her. But so I try to be a bit more filtered, but like, people are telling me, “Don't call it a Frankenstein's monster of models,” but because that has, like, negative implications. I think Frankenstein's monster was, like, the good guy in this whole. It was innocent, right? I didn't read it. Okay.Diogo Almeida [00:44:18]: I'll, I'll confess. Okay. That. Well, one facial expression, ISwyx [00:44:21]: This is aDiogo Almeida [00:44:21]: My cards on the tableSwyx [00:44:21]: Decent Jacob Elordi movie if you wanna seeDiogo Almeida [00:44:24]: ISwyx [00:44:25]: The adaptation. Anyway.Diogo Almeida [00:44:26]: The. You have no idea how little time I have right now.Swyx [00:44:28]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:44:29]: My priorities are sleep?Swyx [00:44:31]: Developers.Diogo Almeida [00:44:32]: Developers, yes. Developers. But yes. It. We do, like, absolutely disgusting things to be on the Pareto curve of intelligence per dollar, and we are going to keep doing that.Swyx [00:44:47]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:44:47]: We're gonna be doing crazy-ass stuff, and I think people really need to think outside of the box. Like, part of the reason we're surprising is, like, people Are thought inside the box, and we continue to do that. As of right now, we are obviously the best at this, and we want to continue being the best at that whole thing.Swyx [00:45:05]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:45:05]: So Wait, where did, where did we tangent from?Swyx [00:45:07]: No. SoDiogo Almeida [00:45:08]: YeahSwyx [00:45:08]: I asked you about, will you have seeds and determinism?Diogo Almeida [00:45:11]: Oh, yes. SoSwyx [00:45:11]: And then you basically defined reliability and likeDiogo Almeida [00:45:14]: And robustnessSwyx [00:45:15]: How you see it. Yes.Diogo Almeida [00:45:16]: But like, determina- likeSwyx [00:45:17]: I have a robustness example that's, that's, real quick I can show you.Diogo Almeida [00:45:19]: I would love that. I will just say one thing.Swyx [00:45:21]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:45:21]: We can make a deterministic model.Swyx [00:45:22]: Exactly.Diogo Almeida [00:45:23]: Like, we're hap- if people can convince us that is a valuable thing to doSwyx [00:45:27]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:45:27]: And we don't have a gigantic GPU shortageSwyx [00:45:29]: YeahDiogo Almeida [00:45:29]: We can happily make all of these models. We live to please. And rev- and revolt, revolute,Swyx [00:45:38]: You will throw over everything, except you'll do it in a nice way.Diogo Almeida [00:45:41]: Yeah.Swyx [00:45:41]: And findDiogo Almeida [00:45:42]: So like, determinism could be on the cards.Swyx [00:45:44]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:45:45]: It just gets you less intelligence per dollar.Swyx [00:45:46]: Yeah. Well, just having seen the trajectory of OpenAI and Anthropic, you will. Just trust me now that you will be peer pressured into doing it. So like, just people will want it even if they. If you tell them they don't need it. They'll still want it. So like, yeah, that's the TL;DR of that.Diogo Almeida [00:46:01]: Okay.Swyx [00:46:02]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:46:02]: I will love to. Maybe one day we will see how that happens.Swyx [00:46:07]: Yeah.Diogo Almeida [00:46:07]: I've been told I'm, They say that part of our brand is being unshakeableSwyx [00:46:13]: HuhDiogo Almeida [00:46:13]: And they say that's just the nice way of saying stubborn.Swyx [00:46:15]:

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Popok is joined by Public Integrity Project's founder and Katie Phang's attorney Brendan Ballou for an exclusive briefing about Judge Sullivan's latest orders against the DOJ in her case in which the Judge has threatened contempt sanctions if they don't comply with his production orders. Popok and Brendan also discuss the Senate Judiciary Committee democrats grilling Kash Patel on these issues and the developments around the Epstein Files Transparency Act II that will surely pass in the House. https://publicintegrityproject.org/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok outlines what will be happening in the next 24-36 hours as CNN, Politico and MSNOW file separate federal cases under the 1st, 5th Amendment and the Administrative Procedures Act to gain an emergency block of Trump's White House Ban which led to their reporters' press credentials being confiscated. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On a special Constitution Day Legal AF, Popok is joined by Article III Project leaders former Federal Judges John E Jones, III and Jeremy Fogel to brief our audience on what can be done to protect our federal judiciary from violent attacks that threaten the independence of the judiciary enshrined in our Constitution and in our Declaration of Independence. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on the emergency suit filed in DC Federal Court to block the Trump Administration, the FBI, the DOJ and Homeland Security from using armed federal security forces and ICE to intimidate voters and those that aid them at the polls. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The article reports that European Union leaders have proposed making Canada the EU's first-ever associate member. The new status does not yet exist and would need to be defined, but it could create a deep partnership spanning trade, defense, technology, energy, Arctic policy, and economic security. The investigation of Eugene Horsch's Philadelphia home has now been connected to five missing women: Nicole Fusaro, Gabrielle Amarando, Maribel Fresses, Blair Tonzelli, and Amy McHale. Investigators are reviewing more than one million pieces of digital evidence and believe some of the women may be dead, but no bodies have been recovered and many key questions remain unanswered. Please Like, Comment and Follow 'Philip Teresi on KMJ' on all platforms: --- Philip Teresi on KMJ is available on the KMJNOW app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever else you listen to podcasts. -- Philip Teresi on KMJ Weekdays 2-6 PM Pacific on News/Talk 580 AM & 105.9 FM KMJ | Website | Facebook | Instagram | X | Podcast | Amazon | - Everything KMJ KMJNOW App | Podcasts | Facebook | X | Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The article reports that European Union leaders have proposed making Canada the EU's first-ever associate member. The new status does not yet exist and would need to be defined, but it could create a deep partnership spanning trade, defense, technology, energy, Arctic policy, and economic security. The investigation of Eugene Horsch's Philadelphia home has now been connected to five missing women: Nicole Fusaro, Gabrielle Amarando, Maribel Fresses, Blair Tonzelli, and Amy McHale. Investigators are reviewing more than one million pieces of digital evidence and believe some of the women may be dead, but no bodies have been recovered and many key questions remain unanswered. Please Like, Comment and Follow 'Philip Teresi on KMJ' on all platforms: --- Philip Teresi on KMJ is available on the KMJNOW app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever else you listen to podcasts. -- Philip Teresi on KMJ Weekdays 2-6 PM Pacific on News/Talk 580 AM & 105.9 FM KMJ | Website | Facebook | Instagram | X | Podcast | Amazon | - Everything KMJ KMJNOW App | Podcasts | Facebook | X | Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Popok is joined by Epstein Survivor and Leader Dani Bensky for an exclusive briefing for our audience about her observations from inside the Senate Hearing Room for Kash Patel's hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, her interaction with MAGA at the Midterm Convention in Dallas, Leon Black's contempt findings by the House Oversight Committee and so much more. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Federal scientists now say it's very likely that a strong El Niño will continue through the end of the year. The natural phenomenon is pushing a massive stretch of warm water toward California, and climate scientists worry that this process could trigger monumental flooding later this year. Reporter: Ezra David Romero, KQED California just became the first state in the nation to pass rules that require insurance companies to address smoke damage after major fires. Reporter: David Wagner, LAist Backers of a November ballot measure that would levy a tax on billionaires are facing an uphill battle, according to a new poll released today. Reporter: Marisa Lagos, KQED Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A woman's family is suing Texas over the state's "merciless" abortion ban, arguing that her preeclampsia death could have been prevented if she'd had the procedure. Jericka Duncan sits down with her aunt.Fuel prices are surging because of the war with Iran. New research from Brown University says Americans have paid an extra $107 billion for gas and diesel since the fighting began. Diesel is now at an all-time high. Jason Allen went to San Antonio, to look at the impact on one produce company. Growing uncertainty over the future of the Kennedy Center in Washington D.C. President Trump's mostly handpicked board of directors voted again on Tuesday to shut it down. Members say the complex needs urgent renovations. This follows a judge's ruling, saying the president cannot put his own name on the building without an act of congress.We've heard a lot about potential catastrophes from artificial intelligence. Now Open A.I. says it is working with rivals Anthropic and Google DeepMind on safety. Chris Lehane is chief global affairs officer at open A.I. He tells us why he's on capitol hill this week after calling on the government to regulate the industry.In this morning's HealthWatch the small changes to your daily routine that could change how you feel and function. Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist at Stanford University and host of the Huberman lab podcast. He's also a CBS News contributor. In his new book, "Protocols: an Operating Manual for the Human Body" he shows how simple lifestyle changes can optimize your health.Designer and founder Kendra Scott is joining shark tank as a full-time "shark" on the new season later this month and she knows a thing or two about business. In 2002, Scott started her jewelry empire with only $500 three months after her first son was born. Two decades later, it is a billion- dollar brand. She joins us in studio.Maye musk says "timeless" aging has led to new opportunities in her late seventies. She writes about these late-in-life experiences in a new memoir called "Timeless: the art of reinvention and resilience at any age." She tells us all about it and what it was like raising Tech Billionaire, Elon Musk.

In breaking news, Popok reports on the Supreme Court refusing to allow Trump to use the Postal Service to interfere with States' constitutional obligation to administer federal elections by denying you and 50 million others the right to use mail in ballots and absentee ballots unless they approve. But what about 2028's election, are there votes to make sure it doesn't happen again? Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Popok reports on an emergency Kennedy Center Board meeting being called for tomorrow to consider either illegally putting Trump's name on the building OR filing for bankruptcy, choices that may lead Federal Judge Chris Cooper to order that a court appointed Monitor take over the Kennedy Center to avoid Trump's stranglehold. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on the newly released Bureau of Prisons form that shows the causal link between AG Todd Blanche's interview of Ghislane Maxwell and her transfer to the cushy confines of a prison "camp" giving her more access to young woman than before, in exchanbe for her favorable testimony vouching for Trump Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on new direct messaging from Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney who has told Trump to his face that Canadians won't take his bait; won't accept his trolling and insults of the Canadian military or sovereignty, and he should stop "posting memes" and get back to the bargaining table as Canada continues to win the trade war! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In breaking news, Katie Phang's team have just told Judge Sullivan that Attorney General Todd Blanche and his legal team continue to mislead the Court and hide FBI handwritten file notes about Trump and his alleged sex abuse victim from the public, and they demand immediate justice! Popok breaks it down in real time. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on Breaking News, as a Trump official has come forward as an anonymous whistleblower to blow the lid off of Trump's plan to screw up mail in ballots and take away your right to vote, using the Postal Service to do it, all in violation of Judge Talwani's court order blocking it from happening. Judge Talwani just issued a scathing order and will likelly find the new whistleblower info very helpful when she makes her new Injunction ruling this thursday! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok is joined by Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones to announce a new workers protection program and step into the void created by the Federal Government's complete abdication of all responsibility to protect workers, their pay and their work places from business and corporate abuse. https://www.oag.state.va.us/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports that the 17 oil fields Trump is bragging about in Venezuela may be EMPTY, have no infrastructure or even electricity and could only lead to oil production many decades from now! How does that help today's affordability crisis, gas prices, inflation or the midterms? Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Nelson to discuss the Trump administration's oil deal with Venezuela and the state of the Iran war six months in. The Agenda: —Venezuela oil deal —Delcy Rodríguez's presidency — “We should have the taken the oil!” —The Venezuela model in Iran — “No, Iran is not winning” —NWYT: Milos Yiannopoulos' deportation Show notes: —Wall Street Journal's reporting on the oil deal —Washington Post reporting on U.S. military leadership The Dispatch Podcast is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch's offerings—including audio versions of all our articles and newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you'd like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok takes a close look at the once unthinkable becoming politically acceptable in Canada because of Trump: Canada secretly developing Nuclear Weapons to deter the Mad King and his attacks on their sovereignty and economy! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Popok reports on the likely reason Trump doesn't support the Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel Price winner Maria Cortina Machado: she's too clean and he's busy getting us into business with the shadowy "Bolachico Billionare" Alejandro Betancourt. Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices