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The Dr. Terri Show is presented by Evexias Health Solutions, for more visit: https://www.evexias.com/ --- Hey everybody, welcome back to The Dr. Terri Show! Is COVID still a thing??? Well we may not be in the midst of a global pandemic, but that doesn't mean that what you are experiencing might not still be COVID related. Today, we're diving into a critical yet often misunderstood topic: COVID long-haul syndrome. Joining me is my friend and expert practitioner, Jim LaValle, to unravel the complexities of this global phenomenon. From lingering symptoms to innovative approaches for recovery, this conversation is packed with insights to empower your health journey. COVID long-haul, or post-acute sequelae of COVID-19, has left many clinicians and patients grappling with unexplained symptoms like chronic fatigue, heart palpitations, brain fog, and even diabetes. But what causes these symptoms, and how can they be addressed effectively? Jim LaValle brings his extensive knowledge and practical solutions to this growing issue. Here's what we cover in this episode: What is COVID long-haul? Learn about the underlying mechanisms, including lingering inflammation, mitochondrial dysfunction, and immune dysregulation, that contribute to long-haul symptoms. The surprising faces of long-haul COVID: We discuss real-life cases, from a young, healthy bodybuilder experiencing heart issues to individuals developing diabetes or recurrent viral infections post-COVID. Why it's not just about being “unhealthy”: Contrary to common belief, long COVID can affect anyone, even those who appear healthy. We explore why relatively healthy individuals are struggling with these unexplained symptoms. The role of spike proteins and inflammation: Discover how lingering spike proteins and chronic inflammation can disrupt your body's ability to recover, leading to long-term issues like heart rhythm abnormalities, gut dysbiosis, and more. A closer look at cancer and chronic disease risks: We discuss the alarming uptick in cancer cases and the potential links to COVID's opportunistic effects on immune function and inflammation. Throughout the episode, Jim and I share personal stories, groundbreaking studies, and practical insights to help you understand and navigate the complexities of long COVID. Whether you're dealing with unexplained symptoms, supporting a loved one, or just curious about this pressing issue, this episode is a must-listen. And don't worry—this is just part one of our conversation! In the next episode, we'll dive into actionable strategies for prevention and treatment. If today's discussion resonated with you, be sure to check out our previous episodes and stay tuned for the follow-up conversation on how to take charge of your recovery from COVID long-haul syndrome. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recorded June 21, 2024 The AV SuperFriends have returned from InfoComm which means it's an InfoComm recap show! Short version: there was far less “AI” braggadocio and way more cloud cloud cloud. For those of you who weren't able to join us on our traditional Friday AM show floor tour, we review our selections from that and links are below. We also discuss some additional products and solutions that we missed and didn't read about until the following week but wish we could have seen in person.   Products from the best InfoComm show floor tour: Inogeni Toggle https://inogeni.com/product-category/byod-byom-switcher/ Hovercam eGlass https://eglass.io/ Hovercam Pilot wireless lectern https://www.hovercam.com/teaching-stations Liberty CX Detect https://cxunify.com/cxdetect.html Apantac Dante on-ramp - DA-HDTV-Dante-Tx-UHD https://www.apantac.com/products/mt-hood/hdmi-to-dante-converter Revolution Acoustics SSP6 Multiducers https://www.revolutionacoustics.com/products/ssp6-multiducers Squirrels Ditto wireless sharing software https://www.airsquirrels.com/ditto Listen AURI Bluetooth system https://www.listentech.com/auri/ https://www.bluetooth.com/auracast/ Catchbox Plus system https://catchbox.com/catchbox-plus   Alternate show titles: Stupid browser This is awesome and here's why It's gonna be kumbaya Nano-whatever-the-hell-technology No OSHA, no rules Sorry if I gave you my COVID   We stream live on the first and third Friday every month and you can listen to everything we record over at AVSuperFriends.com   ▀▄▀▄▀ CONTACT LINKS ▀▄▀▄▀ ► Website: https://www.avsuperfriends.com ► Twitter: https://twitter.com/avsuperfriends ► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/avsuperfriends ► Email: mailbag@avsuperfriends.com ► RSS: https://avsuperfriends.libsyn.com/rss Individual Twitter links: ► Chris Dechter: @cdechter ► Jamie Rinehart: @avsfjamie ► Marc Cholewycynzski: @avdiplomat ► Rachel Bradshaw: @tempurity ► Larry Darling: @lsdarling1 ► Justin Rexing: @justinrexing Donate to AVSF: https://www.avsuperfriends.com/support  

Paris Marx is joined by Nora Kenworthy to discuss how people rely on GoFundMe to access healthcare and the further inequities that adds to an already deeply unequal healthcare system.  Nora Kenworthy is the author of Crowded Out: The True Costs of Crowdfunding Healthcare and an Associate Professor in the School of Nursing and Health Studies at the University of Washington Bothell.Tech Won't Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.Also mentioned in this episode:Nora is doing an online event with the Debt Collective on June 13.GoFundMe bought many of its competitors through the 2010s.In 2020, GoFundMe posted in a campaign it set up in response to Covid: “We're in a growth industry: pain.”Support the Show.

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As we reset after Labor Day, we take a look at the road ahead in the pandemic, politics, and potential peace in Ukraine. 0:00 - 5:00 A little known fact about Jimmy Buffett as we honor his passing. 5:00 - 10:00 The First Lady tests positive for COVID: We take a look at the bigger picture and a question we asked of the CDC. 11:00 Lawmakers return to Washington D.C. with lots of work ahead regarding how they spend your money and what they do with your time. 15:00 A closer look at Ukraine: How much U.S. aid has TRULY gone to Ukraine? 20:00 Why the Hungarian president says America remains key to peace in Ukraine and why our current strategy will not work. Plus – two potential clues on two high-profile unsolved mysteries. Link to interview with Jimmy Buffett: https://youtu.be/Cu6NSNjJRJI?si=9h4DzqupDXehG5Bc Thank you for joiniing us on SCOOP - Get the SCOOP delivered to your inbox and support a free, nonpartisan press! 

On this episode of Makers of Minnesota, we hear from Angela Comeck and Jessica Ammel, daughters of Janet Birkin, as they share how they turned their family recipe into Janet's Finest Compotes, a successful company. They discuss the unique flavors of their compotes, the difference between jelly and compote, and how they maintain high standards of quality set by their mother. The guests discuss their unexpected success during the pandemic, their direct-to-consumer growth, and how cheeseboard preferences have changed. Tune in to hear their journey and learn how they became the premier jam brand for cheeseboards on Instagram.SHOW TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS:Stephanie [00:00:12]:Hello, everybody, and welcome to the makers of Minnesota podcast, where we talk to cool people doing cool things. Today we have Angela comeck, and we have Jessica AMMEL, and they are the daughters of janet birkin, and the name of their product is janet's compotes. And I have to hear how you guys decided that janet's product was so worthy that you wanted to start a company behind it, because this has been like, a family recipe for a long time. So let's see how you guys got started.Angela Kmeck [00:00:50]:First of all, thanks for having us on. This is really she actually created the products in forever ago when we were teenagers, so we were her kind of little guinea pigs when she was just kind of, like, playing around in the kitchen. She just loved to cook. She's still around. She's still our best friend. That was real interesting. She kind of struck on gold in the 90s when spicy wasn't really that popular in the midwest, so kind of getting this sweet and spicy combination was unique and pretty cool at the time. Angel, I don't know if you want to give a little couple of minutes.Jessica Amel [00:01:44]:Yes. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. So she actually grew her business in a commercial kitchen. She moved out of our house, the one that we were growing up in. She lived in the house, but she moved the production out, obviously. And she really grew the business out of her commercial kitchen, which was just a few blocks away from our house. And she was shipping all over the country to gift shops and specialty food shops until she retired in 2017. And she said, if you want the recipes, you can have them. There's no pressure. Jessica and I were both doing different things at the time, and we both had kids, but we were like, yeah, we'll do it. Of course, knowing nothing about how much work was going to go into it. So we actually renamed the company after her because why not? We had the opportunity, the time to change. And we always say she's the finest. So janet's finest compotes makes sense, and it also not just sort of honoring our mom, but also being able to honor her legacy of what she had built, that she always did things the right way to the finest. And so even now, when we're doing things, it's like, that's not Janet's finest. We really make sure that our quality is high and kind of everything we do, we sort of set this bar from our mom.Stephanie [00:03:11]:A compote is different than a jam or a jelly in what way?Angela Kmeck [00:03:20]:I'll describe, a jelly really is made from fruit juices. The bulk of the fruit is strained out, and you're left with the juices, which are then processed with pectin, and it's delicious. A compo, however, is started with whole fruit, and it remains as a part of the ingredients the whole way through so what you end up with are the textural elements, like the seeds and parts of the fruit in there that kind of give it a little bit.Stephanie [00:04:00]:More oomph, if you will, and your current flavors. I know the Blueberry Jalapeno is a big seller, but you also have is it Raspberry Habanero?Jessica Amel [00:04:11]:Actually, all of our this is my sisters. We talk over each other. All of our compotes are just Jalapeno. We don't use any other kinds of peppers. We are still using just our mom's recipes. So that's what she used. Raspberry Jalapeno is our best seller. And then Cranberry Jalapeno is actually our second bestseller, which is something that a lot of people don't think about. We think it's super unique, but especially for the holidays and entertaining in the fall, it's just a really unique flavor that she came up with, which, of course, we always ask, how did you do this? And she's like, I don't know. Typical Midwestern woman. So humble, so true.Stephanie [00:04:53]:Now, as we've matured in our palate, since the Food Network came on board, we are having boards and cheese and Shakuta platters. But in the day, how were people using the compuls? Were they using it in the same way, or has it changed over time?Angela Kmeck [00:05:15]:It's funny how things have evolved. She always said it's best over a block of cream cheese. And so that was sort of the easy Midwest kind of cheese board back then, like in the she still loves it. A lot of people love it. We've kind of moved forward and we think that goat cheese and Gouda and some of the other cheeses that are more available now than back in the day are also really great pairings and what we see a lot more on the cheese board these days.Stephanie [00:05:55]:Were you able to retain a lot of Janet's original accounts? And then how did you build on that? Or how are you building on that moving forward?Jessica Amel [00:06:07]:Yeah, we have I mean, it took us a little bit of time to get back to her level. We did retain a lot of her accounts because it was so relational. She had so many amazing relationships with her customers. And for us, customer service is really high on importance. So the quality of our ingredients, the quality of our product, and then paired with just good old fashioned good customer service, we actually have retained a lot of her customers, wouldn't you say, Jessica? And then this crazy thing happened during COVID We had made this grand plan that we were going to grow, and here's how we were going to grow. And then COVID hit. And so, like everybody else, you take a few weeks to go, let's go watch Netflix for a little bit, and then now let's go assess how we're going to do this. I think we made plan B-C-D-E-F that year and what ended up happening. And I have to give a little bit of credit to Jessica here on this one, is that we sent samples to, I think, like, eight cheese board makers on Instagram. And we were pretty new to Instagram at the time. We're both in our 40s, full disclosure. So we hadn't been on Instagram before. That not a lot, at least. But anyway, so we met, for example, Kelsey from the board Loon locally, and then several others nationwide. And then out of nowhere, we became kind of the premier jam brand for cheeseboards on Instagram. And so we had built a website out, and we started selling wholesale off our website to these cheeseboard makers all over the country. And, I mean, that first year we sold I don't even know what percentage, like, so much more than we thought we would ever do. In fact, they asked, can you make smaller jars? Can you make mini jars? We need some for our small cheese boards. We need some for our medium size. And so our jar size actually changed. Our product changed because of this, which was such a shock. So, anyway, your long answer to your question of how are we growing, that was the next step, and it was not the plan. But it has been incredible, actually, because now we're doing kind of backwards where we're getting on shelves after having an explosive growth via straight to direct to consumer.Stephanie [00:08:39]:That is a pretty cool story. That probably couldn't have happened without the pandemic because cheese boards in general sort of branched out during the pandemic because it was one thing that you could buy or arrange or have or deliver to feel like you're having this communal experience because we were all having these weird food experiences, for sure. Can you guys talk about were you nominated or did you apply for a Good Food Award?Angela Kmeck [00:09:11]:We have not. We recently became a Good Food member just a few months ago. So we did miss the window for the Good Food Awards. Definitely one of our goals.Stephanie [00:09:25]:Yeah, because I can see your product is really a premium flavor and it's unique, and I can see that being a good next step for you.Jessica Amel [00:09:34]:We did attend the Good Food Awards, though, in April, and that was super fun just to be around that community and the people who care, really passionate about quality food. That was awesome.Stephanie [00:09:45]:Were there any products that you encountered there that you've just not been able to get out of your mind or you thought were excellent?Jessica Amel [00:09:54]:My gosh, they had the smorgasborg the first night for all of us. Yeah, we're both like remembering it. I mean, it was unbelievable. Like, the cheeses and just the chocolates and the way things all interconnected. It was overwhelming.Stephanie [00:10:08]:Stephanie, to be honest, I love it. That sounds amazing.Angela Kmeck [00:10:11]:It was. You should come with us next time.Stephanie [00:10:14]:Yeah, I think I'm angling for an invite here. Okay, so your mom is still around and are you guys making your own products in a commercial kitchen, or do you make them through a distributor at this point? Or a copacker?Angela Kmeck [00:10:29]:Yeah, right now we're using a copacker in Minneapolis northeast, and that has been a wonderful experience for us. We've been with them for about a year and a half. It feels really nice to contribute to the Minnesota community in that way. Sure. Long term goals are to have our own facility. We would love to have that. We're just not quite there yet. Yeah.Stephanie [00:10:57]:And I'm happy to hear you say you've had a good experience with your copacker, because in a product setting, some people don't have such a great experience right away. It takes them a long time to get their product refined in exactly the right way. But it sounds like your experience was pretty good.Angela Kmeck [00:11:14]:Yeah, knock on wood. Thankfully, right?Stephanie [00:11:17]:Besides the Internet, where can people find your products in Minnesota?Angela Kmeck [00:11:25]:Angela, want to take that one?Jessica Amel [00:11:27]:Yeah. So we recently joined the Kowalski's cheese counters. So every Kowalski's location has our compotes, and we are blown away by their support. A lot of times they're right up front. We keep seeing the displays when we're delivering. It's like, oh, my gosh. So we're having so much fun getting to know their cheesemongers because they are awesome. And it's not me, actually. It's Jessica who's doing that, who's been delivering. So I can't take any credit for that. And we're at cruise market also and looking forward to getting on some other shelves in the city.Stephanie [00:12:04]:Yeah, and selling wholesale to all these people making boards, which there is a lot of them. I just interviewed the greater good at Minnesota. I don't know if you guys work with her yet, but have we worked with greater?Jessica Amel [00:12:17]:I can't remember.Stephanie [00:12:18]:Yeah. She's cute.Jessica Amel [00:12:20]:Cool. We'll have to meet her. That's our people.Stephanie [00:12:24]:All right, well, it has been super fun to talk to you. Thanks for reaching out. I'm a big canner, and I like making my own stuff, so I think it's really cool that you're taking your mom's recipe and not even changing it. Just kind of helping spread the word. And also Janet's finest. I don't know that I'm going to get that out of my head. Like, what would Janet do? How you think about quality and just thinking about doing the right thing, because sometimes it's hard to remind yourself to do the right thing when there's shortcuts that you could take. My mom has died a while ago, so I think I might just adopt Janet for a while.Jessica Amel [00:13:09]:She's everybody's mom. Yeah, I love that idea.Stephanie [00:13:12]:Yeah. We all need a mom too, right?Angela Kmeck [00:13:15]:We do.Stephanie [00:13:16]:I love it. Guys, thanks for joining me today. It's been super on.Jessica Amel [00:13:20]:Thanks so much for having us.Stephanie [00:13:21]:All right, we'll talk soon.Angela Kmeck [00:13:23]:Okay.Jessica Amel [00:13:31]:ThanksStephanie's Dish Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.Stephanie's Dish Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit stephaniehansen.substack.com/subscribe

On this episode of Makers of Minnesota, we hear from Angela Comeck and Jessica Ammel, daughters of Janet Birkin, as they share how they turned their family recipe into Janet's Finest Compotes, a successful company. They discuss the unique flavors of their compotes, the difference between jelly and compote, and how they maintain high standards of quality set by their mother. The guests discuss their unexpected success during the pandemic, their direct-to-consumer growth, and how cheeseboard preferences have changed. Tune in to hear their journey and learn how they became the premier jam brand for cheeseboards on Instagram.SHOW TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS:Stephanie [00:00:12]:Hello, everybody, and welcome to the makers of Minnesota podcast, where we talk to cool people doing cool things. Today we have Angela comeck, and we have Jessica AMMEL, and they are the daughters of janet birkin, and the name of their product is janet's compotes. And I have to hear how you guys decided that janet's product was so worthy that you wanted to start a company behind it, because this has been like, a family recipe for a long time. So let's see how you guys got started.Angela Kmeck [00:00:50]:First of all, thanks for having us on. This is really she actually created the products in forever ago when we were teenagers, so we were her kind of little guinea pigs when she was just kind of, like, playing around in the kitchen. She just loved to cook. She's still around. She's still our best friend. That was real interesting. She kind of struck on gold in the 90s when spicy wasn't really that popular in the midwest, so kind of getting this sweet and spicy combination was unique and pretty cool at the time. Angel, I don't know if you want to give a little couple of minutes.Jessica Amel [00:01:44]:Yes. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. So she actually grew her business in a commercial kitchen. She moved out of our house, the one that we were growing up in. She lived in the house, but she moved the production out, obviously. And she really grew the business out of her commercial kitchen, which was just a few blocks away from our house. And she was shipping all over the country to gift shops and specialty food shops until she retired in 2017. And she said, if you want the recipes, you can have them. There's no pressure. Jessica and I were both doing different things at the time, and we both had kids, but we were like, yeah, we'll do it. Of course, knowing nothing about how much work was going to go into it. So we actually renamed the company after her because why not? We had the opportunity, the time to change. And we always say she's the finest. So janet's finest compotes makes sense, and it also not just sort of honoring our mom, but also being able to honor her legacy of what she had built, that she always did things the right way to the finest. And so even now, when we're doing things, it's like, that's not Janet's finest. We really make sure that our quality is high and kind of everything we do, we sort of set this bar from our mom.Stephanie [00:03:11]:A compote is different than a jam or a jelly in what way?Angela Kmeck [00:03:20]:I'll describe, a jelly really is made from fruit juices. The bulk of the fruit is strained out, and you're left with the juices, which are then processed with pectin, and it's delicious. A compo, however, is started with whole fruit, and it remains as a part of the ingredients the whole way through so what you end up with are the textural elements, like the seeds and parts of the fruit in there that kind of give it a little bit.Stephanie [00:04:00]:More oomph, if you will, and your current flavors. I know the Blueberry Jalapeno is a big seller, but you also have is it Raspberry Habanero?Jessica Amel [00:04:11]:Actually, all of our this is my sisters. We talk over each other. All of our compotes are just Jalapeno. We don't use any other kinds of peppers. We are still using just our mom's recipes. So that's what she used. Raspberry Jalapeno is our best seller. And then Cranberry Jalapeno is actually our second bestseller, which is something that a lot of people don't think about. We think it's super unique, but especially for the holidays and entertaining in the fall, it's just a really unique flavor that she came up with, which, of course, we always ask, how did you do this? And she's like, I don't know. Typical Midwestern woman. So humble, so true.Stephanie [00:04:53]:Now, as we've matured in our palate, since the Food Network came on board, we are having boards and cheese and Shakuta platters. But in the day, how were people using the compuls? Were they using it in the same way, or has it changed over time?Angela Kmeck [00:05:15]:It's funny how things have evolved. She always said it's best over a block of cream cheese. And so that was sort of the easy Midwest kind of cheese board back then, like in the she still loves it. A lot of people love it. We've kind of moved forward and we think that goat cheese and Gouda and some of the other cheeses that are more available now than back in the day are also really great pairings and what we see a lot more on the cheese board these days.Stephanie [00:05:55]:Were you able to retain a lot of Janet's original accounts? And then how did you build on that? Or how are you building on that moving forward?Jessica Amel [00:06:07]:Yeah, we have I mean, it took us a little bit of time to get back to her level. We did retain a lot of her accounts because it was so relational. She had so many amazing relationships with her customers. And for us, customer service is really high on importance. So the quality of our ingredients, the quality of our product, and then paired with just good old fashioned good customer service, we actually have retained a lot of her customers, wouldn't you say, Jessica? And then this crazy thing happened during COVID We had made this grand plan that we were going to grow, and here's how we were going to grow. And then COVID hit. And so, like everybody else, you take a few weeks to go, let's go watch Netflix for a little bit, and then now let's go assess how we're going to do this. I think we made plan B-C-D-E-F that year and what ended up happening. And I have to give a little bit of credit to Jessica here on this one, is that we sent samples to, I think, like, eight cheese board makers on Instagram. And we were pretty new to Instagram at the time. We're both in our 40s, full disclosure. So we hadn't been on Instagram before. That not a lot, at least. But anyway, so we met, for example, Kelsey from the board Loon locally, and then several others nationwide. And then out of nowhere, we became kind of the premier jam brand for cheeseboards on Instagram. And so we had built a website out, and we started selling wholesale off our website to these cheeseboard makers all over the country. And, I mean, that first year we sold I don't even know what percentage, like, so much more than we thought we would ever do. In fact, they asked, can you make smaller jars? Can you make mini jars? We need some for our small cheese boards. We need some for our medium size. And so our jar size actually changed. Our product changed because of this, which was such a shock. So, anyway, your long answer to your question of how are we growing, that was the next step, and it was not the plan. But it has been incredible, actually, because now we're doing kind of backwards where we're getting on shelves after having an explosive growth via straight to direct to consumer.Stephanie [00:08:39]:That is a pretty cool story. That probably couldn't have happened without the pandemic because cheese boards in general sort of branched out during the pandemic because it was one thing that you could buy or arrange or have or deliver to feel like you're having this communal experience because we were all having these weird food experiences, for sure. Can you guys talk about were you nominated or did you apply for a Good Food Award?Angela Kmeck [00:09:11]:We have not. We recently became a Good Food member just a few months ago. So we did miss the window for the Good Food Awards. Definitely one of our goals.Stephanie [00:09:25]:Yeah, because I can see your product is really a premium flavor and it's unique, and I can see that being a good next step for you.Jessica Amel [00:09:34]:We did attend the Good Food Awards, though, in April, and that was super fun just to be around that community and the people who care, really passionate about quality food. That was awesome.Stephanie [00:09:45]:Were there any products that you encountered there that you've just not been able to get out of your mind or you thought were excellent?Jessica Amel [00:09:54]:My gosh, they had the smorgasborg the first night for all of us. Yeah, we're both like remembering it. I mean, it was unbelievable. Like, the cheeses and just the chocolates and the way things all interconnected. It was overwhelming.Stephanie [00:10:08]:Stephanie, to be honest, I love it. That sounds amazing.Angela Kmeck [00:10:11]:It was. You should come with us next time.Stephanie [00:10:14]:Yeah, I think I'm angling for an invite here. Okay, so your mom is still around and are you guys making your own products in a commercial kitchen, or do you make them through a distributor at this point? Or a copacker?Angela Kmeck [00:10:29]:Yeah, right now we're using a copacker in Minneapolis northeast, and that has been a wonderful experience for us. We've been with them for about a year and a half. It feels really nice to contribute to the Minnesota community in that way. Sure. Long term goals are to have our own facility. We would love to have that. We're just not quite there yet. Yeah.Stephanie [00:10:57]:And I'm happy to hear you say you've had a good experience with your copacker, because in a product setting, some people don't have such a great experience right away. It takes them a long time to get their product refined in exactly the right way. But it sounds like your experience was pretty good.Angela Kmeck [00:11:14]:Yeah, knock on wood. Thankfully, right?Stephanie [00:11:17]:Besides the Internet, where can people find your products in Minnesota?Angela Kmeck [00:11:25]:Angela, want to take that one?Jessica Amel [00:11:27]:Yeah. So we recently joined the Kowalski's cheese counters. So every Kowalski's location has our compotes, and we are blown away by their support. A lot of times they're right up front. We keep seeing the displays when we're delivering. It's like, oh, my gosh. So we're having so much fun getting to know their cheesemongers because they are awesome. And it's not me, actually. It's Jessica who's doing that, who's been delivering. So I can't take any credit for that. And we're at cruise market also and looking forward to getting on some other shelves in the city.Stephanie [00:12:04]:Yeah, and selling wholesale to all these people making boards, which there is a lot of them. I just interviewed the greater good at Minnesota. I don't know if you guys work with her yet, but have we worked with greater?Jessica Amel [00:12:17]:I can't remember.Stephanie [00:12:18]:Yeah. She's cute.Jessica Amel [00:12:20]:Cool. We'll have to meet her. That's our people.Stephanie [00:12:24]:All right, well, it has been super fun to talk to you. Thanks for reaching out. I'm a big canner, and I like making my own stuff, so I think it's really cool that you're taking your mom's recipe and not even changing it. Just kind of helping spread the word. And also Janet's finest. I don't know that I'm going to get that out of my head. Like, what would Janet do? How you think about quality and just thinking about doing the right thing, because sometimes it's hard to remind yourself to do the right thing when there's shortcuts that you could take. My mom has died a while ago, so I think I might just adopt Janet for a while.Jessica Amel [00:13:09]:She's everybody's mom. Yeah, I love that idea.Stephanie [00:13:12]:Yeah. We all need a mom too, right?Angela Kmeck [00:13:15]:We do.Stephanie [00:13:16]:I love it. Guys, thanks for joining me today. It's been super on.Jessica Amel [00:13:20]:Thanks so much for having us.Stephanie [00:13:21]:All right, we'll talk soon.Angela Kmeck [00:13:23]:Okay.Jessica Amel [00:13:31]:ThanksStephanie's Dish Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.Stephanie's Dish Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit stephaniehansen.substack.com/subscribe

In a post-COVID world, Eric Hasse, a seasoned chef and cook, navigates the hostile kitchen culture and questions the concept of meritocracy as he battles with an exodus of restaurant workers, rising meat prices, and a new generation of distracted cooks."The way you move up in kitchens is you've got to do your job and the job of the guy in front of you. Eventually the job of the guy in front of you, you keep that job, and then you start shaving off your line cook duties, right? You're doing the job, and then one day it's like, oh, hey, by the way, you're a sous now, or you're a lead." - Eric HasseEric Hasse is a professional chef with experience running kitchens and being an executive chef on four different occasions. He is an advocate for the meritocracy of the restaurant industry and believes in the importance of hard work, dedication and a good attitude.Eric Hasse was discussing the state of the restaurant industry post-COVID with a chef in Malta. He shared his experience with a harsh kitchen culture in the past, where one had to work hard and outwork those in front of them to move up. He speaks of how restaurants are now expecting more coddling of their staff, yet the expectations remain the same. He compares a professional kitchen to the military and how it requires discipline and resilience in order to succeed.In this episode, you will learn the following:1. What is the unique bond shared by wine, cooks, and chefs?2. What is the state of restaurants post-COVID?3. What is the difference between the old and new kitchen culture?Resources:Eric Hasse on InstagramChef Eric's Links Sweet Mama Hot Sauce on InstagramSweet Mama Hot Sauce: Order HereOfficial Patriot Gear -10% OFF with code CHEFHASSEOfficial Patriot Gear on InstagramChef Life ClothingOther episodes you'll enjoy:Ariel Guivi, Part 1: What is a Chef?Patrick Stark: The Untouchable EgosJosh Morris: Balancing a chefs drive with family lifeConnect with me: Instagram: @insidethepressurecookerYouTube: @insidethepressurecookerTwitter: @chadkelleyPatreon: @InsidethepressurecookerFeedback: Email me!Website: https://insidethepressurecooker.comLoved this episode? Leave us a review and rating on Apple Podcasts or Follow Us on Spotify or your favorite podcasting platform.Transcript:[00:00:03]Over the last 20 years working in restaurants, I met a lot of really interesting people. Bourdain called us pirates and misfits, and he couldn't be more right. We really were. I say were. We are a hodgepodge of cultures and backgrounds, and we get to play with food all day, and we get to make a living doing that, and it's pretty damn awesome.[00:00:27]This is what inside the Pressure Cooker is all about. It's about making some new friends and sharing some stories with some old friends. And listen, we all know that life inside a kitchen is not for everyone. We've seen plenty of people come and go that thought they could hack it and they couldn't. It really does take a special someone not only to survive, but to really thrive in an environment of just what feels like complete fucking chaos, but it's pretty damn controlled.[00:00:58]And then just the constant pressure and the stupid hours you put in, not to mention it can be a very thankless job. Before you know it, it's all in your blood, and it's the only thing you know and you need more. It's an addiction. This is the bond that all wine, cooks and chefs share. It's becoming the heartbeat of the kitchen, as cliche as that fucking sounds.[00:01:22]But it's in our blood, which means it's fucking pulsing through our veins, and it's what we live for. A quick interruption before we jump on to the rest of this, two things. First, there's a link in the show notes that well, it's not really a link. It's my email. Please.[00:01:42]I want to hear some feedback from you all. What do you love? What do you not love? This is how I learn. And the second part I've set up a patreon account for this podcast.[00:01:52]The link is also in the show notes below. Please, if you're able to, we would love any contribution you're able to support us with. We all have costs that we need to try to cover with this show, and any sport would be greatly, greatly appreciated.[00:02:10]Right. Where is that? That sounds so familiar.[00:02:17]Are we Googling this right now? No. I mean, if you want to. I'm just writing it down to look it up, man. So where do you think the state of the restaurants, like, post COVID restaurants are just in?[00:02:46]It's a mess. It's a mess everywhere.[00:02:53]I was actually talking with the gentleman chef in Malta this last week, too, and he pretty much said the same thing, and it was very interesting to have a conversation with him, talking both kind of people as well as product, and he's on the other side of the world, and it's the exact same story. I think we're on the upswing. Minus the mandates are gone. That's a whole different topic for me. Like, those mandates were bullshit to begin with, and the whole shipping things back and forth and, like, supply chain crisis and all that bullshit.[00:03:43]Like, I feel like we're being led to a place where it's purposely less meat driven.[00:03:59]Like prices are going up. I remember paying fucking $8 a pound for wings and then going down from like eight to six to fucking three. And like $3.69 for a pound of wings was like, incredible. I was like, oh, shit. I guess they're going back on the menu.[00:04:18]But like, the porter houses and the tomahawks that we sell, we make no money off that shit.[00:04:29]You're not making money off that $140, you know what I mean? We make what change compared to the pork shank we put out this weekend and sold that out as a special. And it was literally $5 to put on the plate and he sold it 32, 36, 40. You know what I mean? You make your money with that.[00:04:57]Yeah. And you're not too worried if one comes back either because he fucked it up. He can't well, they're all ready to go, dude, I can't cook it anymore. Well, something happens. But yeah, I always hated those really high end things that I was just like, man, don't fuck that up.[00:05:20]Yeah, we got a new guy on Broiler and he's pretty much there with his temperatures, but he's under more than he is over. I've yet to see him go over. We can always bring it up attempt, but he can't bring it down. Yeah, I'll take under any day of the week. Yeah, exactly.[00:05:49]With staffing and all this, we're kind of talking. So there is that great. We'll just call it exodus for the restaurant industry, mainly because everybody's living paycheck to paycheck and then all of a sudden there is no paycheck, even though there's stimulus and other money coming. Like, for a lot of people, it just wasn't enough. So other people just found other jobs.[00:06:15]Whether they thought it was temporary or permanent, nobody knows. Who even knows what they do? But things are opening up and fewer and fewer people are coming back. Now, some people are saying it's the culture. I understand concept of that, but I'm still going to call bullshit on that because the culture is what it is.[00:06:36]The kitchen culture or the outside of the kitchen culture? No, the kitchen culture. Oh, yeah, kitchen culture now is fucked. Well, before, yeah, it was a harsh environment. It's always been a harsh environment.[00:06:49]Right? Me and you are probably more of the old school chef's mentality. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I was trained by Germans and French and Austrian guys and what they grew up with as well was you want to talk about hostile fuck? I mean, they were probably shoveling coal as their intern, right? Yeah.[00:07:11]I've gotten plates of fucking plates of perfect risotto fucking thrown at my feet, just knocked out of the window, saying, like, give me something I can fucking sell. Like I can't make it any better. Than this. What the fuck are you looking for? I'm looking for this guy to fucking put up the fish at the same time, and now this risotto is cold, so fuck it.[00:07:29]Make another one. There was no caring about your feelings. That just wasn't a thing. Yeah, just put your head down. Fucking do your best.[00:07:39]Now it's on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, hrs. Get involved. Mean, he made me cry. That's his fucking job, dude. It's his job.[00:07:50]Fucking shut up and cook. That's it. Yeah. To me in the kitchen. Yes, it was a harsh environment, and we all had expectations of ourselves, but there was expectations of the team, right?[00:08:06]And so I expected myself to perform at a better level than I was at, because that was me just pushing me. How am I getting better today? Right? And just never being complacent. That's exactly what I did.[00:08:19]And it's the total opposite now. Now it's like, I got to get home, because fucking Housewives of whoever gives the Fuck is on. It's not a thing, dude. I'm sorry. I've seasoned tickets to the Giants.[00:08:31]I don't fucking care, dude. You work in Sundays. Like, welcome to the club, dude. This is what it is. So I want to know how a line cook has seasoned tickets to the Giants.[00:08:42]Oh, my God.[00:08:46]It's like a running joke in the restaurant because he's, like, friends with another guy that worked there. And our chef Keith was going away on his honeymoon. They needed, like, extra hands, and they got this guy Brian to come in, and he was dog shit. His fucking work ethic sucked. The way he talked about his mom and his sister was just, like, crazy.[00:09:05]Like, this bitch, this content. I'm like, oh, my God, dude, you live with these people. This is your family. This is how you talk about them. Then you come here and you bitch to us, and it's like, I can't wait until November is here, because I'm not doing this, and I'm not doing that.[00:09:20]Who the fuck do you think you are, dude? You're 30 years old. You don't know shit about shit. Like, you think we're here to pick up your slack? That's just not how it works, dude.[00:09:28]Eric doesn't help with the floors. So fucking what, dude? Get a broom. I've never once chased if I saw one of my chefs pick up a broom or a mop, it was instinct to be like, hey, don't worry, chef. I got that.[00:09:41]Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Like, I got that. Go back to the office. Go fucking organize your fantasy football league, whatever.[00:09:49]You got more important shit to do than mop the fucking floor and babysit these kids. If the guy above you, whatever position you're in starts to help you or get involved in your job, that means you're not performing. Exactly. You need to study. He's like, what do you want me to do?[00:10:07]I said, how about fucking update your resume, dude, because this fucking job is not for you. Get on, learn Microsoft Word, get in there and start fucking typing, because cooking is just not your thing. That requires, like, he's not there anymore. No longer my problem, if I have to reiterate. What should I do next?[00:10:32]If I say update your resume, the fucking clock is ticking, right? At no point should we be outworking them. I was taught that if you want to get to where the guy above you is that you need to hustle and work your ass off and be better than that guy. And if you can't go in every day and try to be better and learn something new and shave a minute off of this pickup time or change the prep on this to get it done faster with the same or a better result, if you can't adjust, then you're not doing anything, right? You're just showing up.[00:11:09]The way you move up in kitchens is you've got to do your job and the job of the guy in front of you. Yeah. Eventually the job of the guy in front of you, you keep that job, and then you start shaving off your line cook duties, right? You're doing the job, and then one day it's like, oh, hey, by the way, you're a suit now, or you're a lead. And so the promotion and the title or the name on the jacket is, if anything, that's just kind of formality.[00:11:42]The name on the jacket is, like, irrelevant to me. Yeah, but you should be doing the job well ahead of time. So the whole idea we're going to make you a sue chef shouldn't be fucking surprise you or anybody else. I've run kitchens. I've been the executive chef at Kitchens on four different occasions.[00:12:02]And it's great, but it's only as good as the staff behind you 100% if the owners aren't there to back you up or they're so they're just, like, clinging on to dishes of fucking restaurant past and like, oh, we should do this. No, we shouldn't do that. Shit is garbage. Like, nobody wants to see a fucking giant meatball in this tiny little fucking clay pot. Like, that shit has played out.[00:12:26]Like, let's move forward. You know what I mean? Like, we don't need to do this anymore. Like, let's do something else. Like, every restaurant on this block serves that dish.[00:12:35]No, we don't need another arugula salad. Like, fucking get out of here. I'm perfectly content, like, where I am. I think I'm happier as a sous chef to go in and be the pit bull that doesn't give a fuck too. I can be the animal.[00:12:51]You know what I mean? Keith is a great guy, but he's way more timid than I am. And he has a kind of gentler approach and I just don't if I rip you a fucking new asshole, don't expect me to rub your back and tell you it's okay. Afterwards. You might get like, listen, you know, it's just a work thing at the end of the week, but I'm going to beat you up all week.[00:13:14]That's how it was done to me, and that's what worked. It was like that whole military aspect of break you down to build you back up again. Sometimes you need to see that, like, all right, cool. I guess I suck at this, and maybe I should be a little bit better, or what can I do to get better? How do I get better?[00:13:32]Do I ask more questions? What do I need to learn? Just when I go off the deep end, it was more about when people would stop caring. I wasn't necessarily the pit bull. I mean, I'm a bigger guy.[00:13:47]My voice carries, and I've always been told, like, hey, why are you yelling? I'm like, no, I'm not yelling. I'm making sure I'm hurt when I yell. You're going to fucking know. Yeah, that's a good line for me, too.[00:14:01]But the moment when they just stop caring and are just blatantly, like, Give a fuck. When did you give up? And then when everything starts to be sacrificed, it's like, Listen, I've worked way too fucking hard for you to fuck this up, right? And so if you don't want to put the work into it and you don't want to try, then why am I trying to help you? Why am I trying to pay you?[00:14:27]Yeah, 100%. So it's like, no, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I've got no patience for that. Yeah, I lose it with that whole thing. I don't have enough time in my day to worry about that kind of petty bullshit if you can't care in the slightest.[00:14:50]If I went to work and didn't give it my all, I was in fear of my job. I would have been shit canned immediately. It doesn't matter, like, how good you can cook if you can go in there and cook good, but not consistently and have a shit attitude and, like, all that garbage that comes with it, you can only put up with that shit for so long. Well, the other part is, like, so they say it's the restaurant culture and the abuse, so to speak, that is toxic. But I want to ask the question, what fucking industry or what job can you go to where the attitude you portrayed that got you into this hostile situation would be okay?[00:15:34]Because I'll go, sign me up. It's only okay in restaurants. I mean, to me, it's like, that's just if I walk into a restaurant, I expect it to be like that. Well, no, I'm talking about someone that can walk in and not give a shit and then complain that they weren't getting paid enough. It was too hostile.[00:15:54]They got yelled at. They weren't trying every day. They just kind of would come in and just like, hey, how under the radar can I stay? Where's my cruise control? And then bitch like, hey, I'm not getting paid more.[00:16:07]I'm not getting promoted. I'm not doing this. Fucking chefs yelling at me. And it's like, well, apply everything you just said to me to any other career. And would you expect a different result?[00:16:16]No.[00:16:19]It'S work ethic. Yeah. And we as chefs are just like it's literally with the last meritocracy left. How many other jobs can you go to? This lengthy application, 17 fucking interviews and all this other bullshit.[00:16:35]Like, you walk in, it's like, all right, dude. Like, alright, so go on the walk in and fucking make me something. Right? Like yep. Like, profession, like professional artists.[00:16:43]Like, there's no fucking place to go into be like, all right, we'll paint me something. Like that doesn't happen. Not just like, all right, go in and fucking what's his name, banksy or whatever. You're not like, getting a job. And like, all right, we'll go fucking paint something on the wall here.[00:16:58]It's just like, all right, there's the walk in. We got a whole bunch of shit. Fucking make it taste good and look nice. And then do that every single night, every single day for the remainder of your time here. Like that or better, it's judged on merit.[00:17:11]Like, what can you do that post today? That true cook thing. Like, all right, the new guy. I talk all this shit, right? That was great.[00:17:20]And then you fucking sync, dude, and then I'm bailing you out if I got to come and do your fucking job. Like, we have a problem. That was a great post. It was a good one. That's the thing.[00:17:33]It's become so obscene that they come in with this attitude just like, I need to fucking coddle you. No, I don't. I don't need to coddle you. Nobody coddled me. And I fucking turned out just fine.[00:17:43]Guess what? If you work the fucking fry and plancha station, you better be fucking prepped, because I'm not coming to do it for you. There is no cuddling in a kitchen. It's not. But, like, it's expected these days.[00:17:55]It's 100% expected. They think that people are just going to get, like, a little pat on the ass and be like, all right, it's okay, buddy. We'll get them next time. And that's not how it works, dude. It's just not.[00:18:06]These guys will come in, like, at 03:00 all fucking stoned or fucking working off a hangover from the night before. And I've already fucking I got home at one, I've been up at seven, hit the gym, and already got to work fucking 5 hours before you even decided to show up. Opened everything, the whole fucking line set up and nobody has to worry about shit. But that's not for you, dude. That's for me.[00:18:29]I don't do that shit for anyone else. I do it for me first. And foremost, this is what I need to do. And how close do you think kitchens, like true professional kitchens are to like, the military? Oh, they're fucking neck and neck.[00:18:44]They're right there. I know there's the whole brigade system and stuff that we work on. But I mean, for the most part, not too many kitchens still use that. Not anymore. Now he's going to be listening to this, but I'm going to say it.[00:18:58]We just had a guy leave. He's moved to Pennsylvania. And he's like he got hired as, like, the sous chef in this place in Pennsylvania. And it's like the guy that fucking hired you as a sous chef probably doesn't even understand what a real sous chef there's no concept of, like, those titles anymore. Like, you see the ads on Indeed.[00:19:15]It'd be like, oh, we're hiring a fucking pizza chef. No, dude, it's not a pizza chef. Like, you're a fucking cook. Like, you make pizzas. You know what I mean?[00:19:24]If you have an ad up for Domino's and you're fucking posting a pizza chef and you walk in and change your shit on Facebook and fucking Instagram and be like, I'm a pizza chef at Domino's, like, no, dude, you're a fucking robot. You're a useless robot at this point. It's not what it was. You don't start from the bottom and work your way up anymore. And it's not like unfortunately, it only goes so far.[00:19:47]There's very few restaurants where it's like, okay, that cook is really good. We're going to bump him up and you're going to be the sous chef. People go in and it's like you said before, it's just like, I just need to make ends meet. I'm just doing this because I have to pay my fucking outstanding Netflix bill or whatever. I can't go home and watch fucking House of Dragons unless I get these, like, 3 hours of overtime.[00:20:09]I don't fucking care about you and your house and dragons, dude. What have you done for anyone else lately? Hey, man, I need to pick up some overtime. My my only found's account was locked. Yeah.[00:20:19]Looks like so ridiculous at this point. Well, no, I asked the kind of the military thing because to me that it's like the line is like the trench, right? And I mean, it almost feels like the guy next to you is like your battle buddy. And I mean, I didn't serve any military, but that camaraderie that comes out of it as well at the end of the shift, I mean, it's like coming out of a firefight where it's just like, you just look at each other and like, fuck yeah, right? And you should be proud about it as opposed to looking at the guy next to you and you'd be like, one more shift like that and you're going to have a fucking knife in your side, dude.[00:20:55]Yeah, there's been plenty of night. It's like all those things have happened regularly. It happens constantly. It's like, dude, fucking how long? Six minutes.[00:21:04]Okay, well, your fucking six minutes is actually twelve, so you want to meet somewhere in the middle, like, let's figure this shit out. At least they told you six. Six is actually 1212 is 24. When I say how long? And your answer is melting cheese, I'm like, that's not a fucking time, actually.[00:21:22]How long? It's coming. It's coming. So is fucking Christmas, dude. Let's get that shit in the fucking window.[00:21:29]To me, I love the other 130 seconds. It's like, okay, well, 30 seconds means half of it's on the plate. I don't even see the plate down. Yeah. As they're like bending down to pull a burger out of the draw and fucking throw it like a frisbee onto the flat top, I'm like, come on, dude.[00:21:44]Like fucking nowhere close to three minutes, it's never going to happen. That's the how long? Two minutes. So is it working, Porterhouse? Medium well.[00:21:56]How long right now? As it's like, going in the broiler, I'm like, oh, come on, dude. Just say you forgot it. Just just fucking be honest, man. That should have been the first one off the ticket.[00:22:05]Oh my God. Sometimes, I mean, we get some crazy nights where it's just like it's Porterhouse, Porterhouse, Porterhouse, tomahawk, Tomahawk, tomahawk. And they're like, non stop. Just non stop.[00:22:18]So how much longer before chefs and cooks? I shouldn't say chefs, but eventually it will be chefs. But it cooks, replaced by robotics and AI. It's already happening some places. Oh, yeah.[00:22:37]I mean, fast food places. Yeah, it's happening. I know. White Castle. Yeah, white Castle is a bunch of McDonald's and stuff like that.[00:22:45]Yeah. Their friars are essentially all automated now. It's all robotic. They have that one. I think that robot is called Flippy or something like that that will cook burgers and steaks and shit.[00:22:59]I don't see it happening in like I don't think like, eleven Madison Park is going to get any fucking Flippies anytime soon. But there's going to be restaurants that are going to be like, probably the last man standing kind of thing, right? I could almost see it where at one point in our future where there's going to be restaurants that are all, it's robotic, there probably won't be a soul in it. Right? That person is probably like just the tech guy that's there to fix a robot if it breaks, couldn't tell you anything about it.[00:23:35]And then there's going to be restaurants that can be staffed with true cooks chefs, but there's not going to be any middle in between. I think that's pretty fucking depressing.[00:23:53]That's a really fucking depressing thing to think about. The thing is, like, people put like, their heart they put all of themselves into this job. And to think that someone is so fucking brazen and be like, oh, we're just going to cut the middleman out. We're just going to have this robot flip burgers and fucking cook steaks and drop fries or whatever. That was someone's fucking dream, you know what I mean?[00:24:24]And you just replaced it by a goddamn robot.[00:24:31]I've been seeing the writing on the wall for so long, where it was harder and harder, pre coded, just with product costs, right? Yeah. And I was part of a group, so we always had contracts in place. So I was paying like 1015 percent less than just the mom and pop place. So the larger your buying power was obviously dollars, the less you paid, which is I understand, but it's like, man, so all the places that need the help are the ones paying the most.[00:25:11]100%. It's already hard enough to stroke, the struggle to get by. And then so COVID happens, and they probably had bills racked up. And then we finally get out of COVID We kind of all right, things are somewhat stabilized, right? But that pricing is just fucking through the roof.[00:25:30]It's crazy. And then they raise your minimums, and then they tell you, I mean, we had a company in Boston that was like we were set up for like, three days a week delivery, and it kept, like, a good rotation of stock. And all of a sudden it was like, oh, we're not coming on Wednesday. The fuck you mean you're not coming on Wednesday? What do we pay you for?[00:25:48]Everything will be there Friday. I'm going to fucking need double that on Friday. It got so obscene where it was just like, oh, we don't have enough truck drivers. We don't have enough this. We don't have enough this.[00:25:57]Oh, here's the $80 fuel surcharge. Here's, this. Here's, tax on this, tax on this. It became insane. Not like the prices of the product through the roof.[00:26:08]Yeah, but you know what? All of your chain places, they're getting their deliveries. Of course they are. Now all of a sudden, the chain. People basically survive on serving fucking prison food.[00:26:21]Applebees is going to get a fucking delivery over, like, a place that gives a shit. And they're going to pay 20% less, if not less than that. And the price on their menu, you're going to look at it and you're going to be like, it almost cost me that to put it on a plate. Yeah. It's like, how are you supposed to compete with that?[00:26:43]Because now people are coming into your place and they're like, well, dude, why is your burger $15? I can go over here and get it for nine. And I've heard this. I've done some consulting and just working with some of these guys, and that's just how it is. We have a meat market, like, right down the street from us.[00:27:02]And they're great. And they're like they service all of Long Island incredible products. And they have this great burger blend. Literally. It's $5 to break it down.[00:27:13]It's $5 per patty just to put on the plate. So what are you left with a $20 burger at the end after you throw all this shit on there and then add like, slab bacon and this and that and all this, you know what I mean? And like labor and overhead. Like it all adds up. Yeah.[00:27:32]And who right now can go out to dinner and have a $20 burger when they just spent like $160 to fill up their gas or have a fucking $900 oil bill? The ones that came in for the two Tomahawks. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just not so bad. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.[00:27:52]The longer this plays out, the more we're going to start seeing the more just the graveyards filled up with the mom and pop places. And the smaller restaurants, the medium sized ones will struggle to get through. But that's why I'm saying soon enough it's going to be all corporate chains operated by machines. And then you're going to have your standalones that are just going to be kind of the last of the mohicans kind of shit that are just going to be your true chefs. And there's always going to be just some of the stand outs and who knows, maybe some pop ups where it will be a thing again.[00:28:29]Underground dinner becomes like an actual thing. We're going rogue. Yeah, the whole thing. And like the ghost kitchens and shit that are popping up now. People want to rent space.[00:28:42]There's like a place down the road for me. I go on Grubhub and it's like and you look at the address. It's like three addresses for like the same one address for like three different places. Yeah. How is it even possible that's like a Boston market that's like three different chicken places out of one restaurant with the fucking get out of here.[00:29:00]They started doing that in San Francisco. They actually opened up. It was someone they opened just a ghost kitchen. It was a warehouse. And that's all they were doing.[00:29:10]I forget how many kitchens were in it, but at one point they had eight different restaurants that were executing just out of that. And that was their only location. It wasn't like, hey, some of them were like, oh, we're just going to do our take out delivery out of there so they can focus on the kitchen. Which was like, hey, that would be nice. Not have to deal with fucking take out delivery out of the restaurant.[00:29:35]But some of them are just it's amazing. It went over the top. I know. When COVID hit, I was still in Boston and nothing was open. Everything was shut down.[00:29:49]Everything was closed. So there was all these Bertucci's restaurants. They're like all over. It's like Olive Garden in New York. They're fucking everywhere.[00:29:59]But they were all closed. So then Eric Greenspan started that thing, mr. Beast Burger. And they were all working out of fucking. All the Bertucci, they were, like, basically paying the rent there.[00:30:11]Go in and serve takeout and send out burgers to everybody. And that's just what happened. And it took off and it just, like, escalated from there. Now everything's a ghost kitchen. Everyone's like, got some little second restaurant inside a restaurant selling basically the same food or like, different products or different wrappers.[00:30:30]To me, people are paying for a full scale, like, a full restaurant experience through a ghost kitchen. The quality is not going to be there. We all know that once you put something into go box, quality drops significant, right? Yeah. And then once you start adding on time for delivery and all that stuff, you're going to get maybe 10% of the quality that you started with.[00:30:58]Yeah. I think it just opens the door for more complaints. Well, yeah, if we run a restaurant, you have, like, nachos. I'm not even putting nachos on it to go menu. It's not even going to be an option for you to take on.[00:31:16]My chips are soggy yeah, I bet they were. What can I do for you every time? Can I get, like, a muscle pot to go? No, you can't, dude. You fucking can't.[00:31:26]That sounds horrifying. Go sit down in a restaurant and eat them. And thank you for listening to this episode Up Inside the Pressure Cooker. If you enjoyed this episode and feel like you're able to take something away from it, please go to Apple podcasts and rate and review us. If you don't use Apple podcasts, please follow us as well as share this episode with a friend.[00:31:51]This is a publication by Rare Plus Media, hosted and produced by me from Rare Plus Media and myself, Chad Kelly. Thank you for listening. Keep kicking ass.

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Episode Summary What do you do when you are angry? Have you ever thought about controlling your serious anger when it happens? Lorraine Durnford-Hill has been studying anger and anger management for 40 years. She has served as a coach, and therapist and she also has taught children in kindergarten. As she was growing up she faced her own issues. In our episode this week we get to meet Lorraine. She will tell her story as well as share observations and suggestions we all can put to use in our lives. Thanks for listening and I hope you will let me know your thoughts about our episode and the Unstoppable Mindset podcast by emailing me at michaelhi@accessibe.com. About the Guest: Lorraine Durnford-Hill is an Early Childhood Resource Consultant with over 40 years of experience working with therapists, children and parents. Currently, she is working on masterminding her second career after retirement in 2021. She supports families with parenting issues and works 1-1 with children. She has recently developed an 8-week course called: "5 Steps to Taming the Anger Monster." This program helps fill your toolbox so you can bring connection, calmness and joy back into your life. _ tamingtheangermonster@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/mychildisspecial2 www.mychildisspecial.ca To request a copy of "20 Ways to Reframe Behaviour" email me at tamingtheangermonster@gmail.com About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! 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Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us. Michael Hingson 01:20 Hi, and welcome once again to unstoppable mindset. We have a fun guest this week. I hope she's fun. She certainly seems fun to me. I want to welcome Lorraine to the show. And Lorraine's got a great story to tell. And I've got some interesting questions to ask along the way, some that she's provided and some that I just thought of. That's always scary. But as we all know, unstoppable mindset is the place where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet, but we don't want to embarrass anyone so we won't make it to unexpected. So welcome to unstoppable mindset. Lorraine Durford-Hill 01:57 Well, thank you. Thank you for having me, Michael, this is great opportunity to connect with people. And yeah, I'm excited about our discussion today. Michael Hingson 02:06 And I met Lorraine through a program we've talked about before here on unstoppable mindset, namely Podapalooza. She was going to be a guest for me on the show on the on the Podapalooza stage itself. But what happened was that we just couldn't make the timing work. So we're doing it later, but Podapalooza is given the credit for bringing us together. So thank you, everyone at Podapalooza for doing that Michelle and Kimberly. Anyway, Lorraine, tell me a little bit about you. So maybe your early years how you got started in doing what you did with most of your life and all that sort of stuff? Lorraine Durford-Hill 02:47 Well, I just recently retired. So that sort of says how how old I am. But I have been working with families and children for the last 40 years. And that's sort of where my heart is with children. But I have decided to, to go on a journey of learning about anger management, because I taught it for many years to parents from in the school board. So it was an interesting time for me to take that. I always say I took the course I actually taught the course. But I learned so much from teaching it, that it helped me learn for myself about my anger, and how I was dealing with it. And I believe that the reason why I did it because when I was a child, I was taught that you didn't have any emotions, that if you were angry, you had to stuff it down. And so that's what I learned. I never learned how to argue I never learned how to if there was any, any disagreement. I didn't know how to do that. So that was another reason. I was motivated to learn about anger and how I could make myself better by learning not to react, but to act. Michael Hingson 04:11 Yeah, it's an interesting thing. Because I think as a as a society, we tend to especially now be very angry and we don't talk about anything. We don't dialogue at all. We don't tend to have any interest in hearing what the other person has to say or anything. It's our way or the highway, it seems. Lorraine Durford-Hill 04:35 Oh, it's definitely people are like that. But we have to think about anger is not always a bad thing. No anger can sort of alert us it almost puts out those alert signals saying something's wrong. Something needs to change. And if we are able to learn the skills, then we are going to be able to deal with that anger in a positive way. But if we haven't got the skills behind us, we're going to see our anger is something negative. Well, Michael Hingson 05:07 what did you do for your life before you retired? Lorraine Durford-Hill 05:13 Well, for the 40 years, I worked with children, usually under the age of wealth from zero to six was the sort of the children that I worked with. And I would go into the family's homes and work with the children and follow through on therapy that was designed by the the therapists like speech pathologists, occupational therapists, and so that I would do that one on one with the children. And that definitely had a significant impact on my life, because that's where I get my energy from is from kids. They are absolutely amazing at what they can teach you, no matter what their disability or ability is there always teaching you. Michael Hingson 05:58 What got you interested in dealing with kids? It sounds like right from the outset. Lorraine Durford-Hill 06:02 Well, my mother was a teacher, although I swore I'd never be a teacher. But it was something that that 20 I decided that that's what I was going to do is an early childhood educator. And I've never regretted it. It was a always a great job. And I've done everything I could do with my my EC. I've been a nanny. I've worked in daycares before and after school programs. I worked in a private school. I've been a resource consultant. So I've had a wide range. But it's the kids with special needs that bring me back, because I've learned so much from them. Michael Hingson 06:43 So part of your time did you actually work as a teacher? Lorraine Durford-Hill 06:47 When I was in a private school, I did work as a kindergarten teacher. The rest of the time is my job was sort of to transition children into the school system. Michael Hingson 06:58 Isn't kindergarten a fun time? Lorraine Durford-Hill 07:01 Oh, yes, definitely. Michael Hingson 07:04 We have a niece who has been a kindergarten teacher for more than 20 years. And for a while until COVID, hit and so on, we volunteered to help. It was such great fun dealing with the kids at that age. And as a speaker, I've had an opportunity to speak to a number of elementary schools, and especially the kindergarteners but all of them, K through six, especially. The Curiosity hasn't been taken out of them as much, which is so cool. Lorraine Durford-Hill 07:38 Definitely, they explore things so differently. And giving them the open ended questions. They they will take things to an amazing level that things you never thought of. They you know, will experiment, they'll try things, they will do. Wonderful, wonderful things. Michael Hingson 07:59 One of the things that I've had conversations with, with other guests about this is with disabilities, I'm going to deal with blindness and blind kids. It's so unfortunate that so many parents started in early age, to really get us not to be curious. So you can't do that you need to, you really need to stay away from that you're blind. You can't see to do that. And kids never get the opportunity to explore I was fortunate that I didn't have that situation. But I know so many kids who didn't get the chance to explore an exploration is such a part of what teaches you about the world, isn't it? Lorraine Durford-Hill 08:43 Oh, definitely. I've worked with several children who are blind or low vision. And just giving them materials to engage with you see a whole different child. We had a little girl who if we put something on her leg, she would shake it like crazy. And you knew that she was enjoying that. And she was only in the toddler room. And the other kids would come along and they would put that on her leg because they love to see the joy in her face. When she shook it. It was usually a something that made a sound like a bell or something like that. And the the kids of her own age, were realizing that she really enjoyed that. So it was really neat to see her explore. Michael Hingson 09:35 Did you run into parents that tried to discourage doing that sort of thing or tried to discourage kids from exploring? Lorraine Durford-Hill 09:42 I think if they did, it was more for safety. They were worried about their safety What if they fall What if they, you know, do some damage? But you know, we tried to you know, okay, let them crawl across the floor instead of maybe trying to to negotiate, you know, the room, or we would take the children around to so they could get a sense of the room if they were it was a new room for them. Right? Michael Hingson 10:13 Well, so along the way, obviously, that somehow translated into this whole idea of anger management. And so you retired and got angry and decided to manage it, or what that's done, that's what got you started in that? Lorraine Durford-Hill 10:32 Parents, what I noticed, I taught the course for, I think about seven years. And I noticed that the parents that I was working with, were angry at different for different reasons. Some, if they got a new diagnosis, they might have gotten angry about that. And you know, the system and the way things work. And I also found some parents got angry, because their children, they the loss of what their dream was, where they thought their children were going. So there was a lot of anger in the parents. Sometimes it was around the disability, sometimes it was just, you know, the, their anger in general. And other times, it could even be because the children are misbehaving or they thinking that the children are doing it to them. And helping them understand that the children don't actually do that. They're not, they're not out to get Michael Hingson 11:34 them. Yeah, it's so unfortunate that parents oftentimes do take it out on the child, and they blame the child and so on. We just tend not to really spend a lot of time teaching society in general, about disabilities and inclusion. And that's a really difficult thing in so many different ways. But I sure wish we could figure out a way to teach people that inclusion, and dealing with disabilities and recognizing that doesn't mean that somebody is less capable. It's so unfortunate that we can't figure out a way to teach people to accept that. Lorraine Durford-Hill 12:11 Yeah, that's true. One thing that comes to mind is I had a little boy who was nonverbal, wasn't really doing much of anything. And all he did was roll things that all he did. And so what I was trying to do was just get him to interact with me, just, you know, trying to do different things. And, you know, everybody was frustrated by it, and, and they just were angry that this was happening to their child. But then we just sort of were talking and let him go off on his own. He went over to the remote and pressed 321. And that was the show that he wanted to see. And he was able to pick out those numbers. Yet. This is a child we thought didn't have much. But it was he was motivated by it. And he was able to pick out those numbers that he needed for his TV show. Michael Hingson 13:06 So after doing that, what did what did you finally decide or figure out about that child? Lorraine Durford-Hill 13:12 Well, it was to bring to the parents attention. Look what he did. That is pretty amazing. That's number matching. You know, we thought this kid could only roll he was just, you know, stimming all the time. But he had actually learned a skill. This is something I want. So this is what I need to do. So it was then we sort of explored, Okay, what else motivates him? Where can we go from there? And that sort of opened things up? So it's it's learning about what motivates someone to move forward? Because we all want to learn? Michael Hingson 13:47 So that was a major breakthrough sort of thing. Did you have more success with the child? And then did the parents accept that maybe there was a whole lot more to him than they thought? Lorraine Durford-Hill 13:56 Yeah, they looked at it differently. They gave him almost more stimulation and more praise almost to for for doing the things he was doing and realizing oh, that's, that's something different. That's something new. And I think that that sort of opened their eyes definitely. And what the potential could be. Michael Hingson 14:19 Were those parents angry at the beginning, would you say and did some of that go away? Lorraine Durford-Hill 14:26 Some of it went away. As the you could point out that things. It's not a total disaster, that things were changing, that their child had an ability to learn. And I think for some of the children, knowing that their child can learn, gives them a better hope. I often give the parents don't know if you know the poem by Welcome to Holland. So I would give that poem to a parent because, you know, it's, I'll just give a synopsis of it. Basically, you're planning a trip to Italy, you've got it all planned and everything happens to get ready. And when you get on the plane, they the plane lands and they say Welcome to Holland. Well, this isn't what you planned. But this is what you got. So then you have to accept that this is your, this is what you have. But there's interesting things in Holland, there's windmills, there's two lips. There's all kinds of wonderful things to see there. But you don't see anywhere else. Michael Hingson 15:31 dikes with holes, and you got to stick your thumb into that. That's right, all Lorraine Durford-Hill 15:35 those fun things. So I find that that if you share that with a parent, that often helps them understand, okay, this isn't what I expected. But there is, you know, some positive things about that. Michael Hingson 15:51 So when we talk about anger management, what, what is anger? How do you define anger? Lorraine Durford-Hill 15:58 Well, anger is a feeling that we get when we feel something is unjust, or we feel it, somebody's done something towards us. But we have to remember, it's just a feeling. It can go the other way, as well. It can be something that, again, we feel it's unjust, but we're going to move forward with it. So we can either take that anger and just hold it tight. Or we can take that anger and move forward. As we we go and we can make a difference, we can make a change. So it is all about trying to figure out why we have that feeling. So what what is it triggering? And how can we move forward with that? Or we stay stuck? And we just hold on to that anger? And that's that's not a great place to be? Michael Hingson 16:51 Yeah, being stuck is definitely a problem. How do we get people to move forward? How do we get people to stop being angry in such a negative way? And I refer to near the beginning to the fact that we all seem to not want to work together, we're all angry. And we're locked in a position that maybe we don't want to be in. But we certainly seem to feel that we're locked in that position. One of the results of that is we have lost the art of conversation, we've lost the art of respecting another opinion. How do we deal with that? Lorraine Durford-Hill 17:30 Well, a lot of our issues is what we say in our heads because we're not having those conversations anymore. with others. So it's what's going on in our head, what self talk is going on? What are we saying to ourselves when we're angry? You know, you could say something like, oh, that person is so stupid. Well, let's change that. Maybe the person doesn't have the skills yet. So there's things that we say to ourselves, that we need to change the vocabulary. So we're reframing how we see the situation. So if somebody cuts you off in traffic, they're, you know, we might call them an idiot. But really, maybe they're, you know, it's an emergency and they're a firefighter, and they have to get to the fire department as soon as possible. We don't know what's going on. So we can reframe, you know, that person must be in a big hurry, instead of just calling them an idiot. So it's thinking about reframing how we see a situation. And then once we reframe, we can sort of recognize, okay, what's what's happening in my body when that happened? Like, where do I feel that anger isn't my head is my chest? How do I feel that anger? What's what's going on? Because our bodies hold on to anger a lot. And it can even cause us to have more health problems when we hold on to anger. And one of the things I quote I like from Mark Twain, he says anger does more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. So I think that that sort of says a lot that we can do more damage to ourselves by holding on to that anger. Michael Hingson 19:30 So true, being a Mark Twain fan. You know, it is it is so unfortunate. Let's go back to your example of the person who gets cut off in traffic by someone and let's say it really is just the other person was playing in a hurry and didn't care. But the the other side of that is when we get angry, and we really let our anger take over. It can be anything from just cussing. out the person or saying You're an idiot, to something we're seeing more and more, someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And as you said, ultimately, you could kill somebody, which is a lot of hurt. But who's really going to be the person who is injured more or who has more harm done to them. And there is no doubt that the person who allows themselves to become that angry, is going to be the person who will benefit the least from the anger. Lorraine Durford-Hill 20:37 Definitely. And when something like that happens when somebody cuts you off, it is only an invitation, you have a choice whether to get angry or not. Right, you can say, oh, you know, that's just an idiot out on the road. Or you can start to feel angry, you can build all that up. So you need to think about, it's just an invitation. It's just an invitation, and I can reject it. Or I can accept it. Yeah. Michael Hingson 21:07 We were my wife and I had a Costco. Now, two years ago, gosh, time flies. She is in a wheelchair, she's been in a chair her whole life. And this particular day, when we were there, there were no accessible parking spots available. And she needs a wide spot because she uses a van, the ramp has to come out and lower so she can drive out in the wheelchair and then pull the ramp back up or pull the push a button and the ramp goes back onto the vehicle. But we couldn't find a place. So something that that she does, and that a number of people do is she found two open parking places. And she parked kind of in the middle of the two places so that there would be space for her to lower her ramp. We parked I got out of the vehicle and was lowering the ramp when this woman comes up. And she starts absolutely just yelling at us about how it's illegal to do that. It's not appropriate. We're going to call security, you need to move your vehicle right now and just went on and on and on. And I said, Look, you know, my wife isn't a chair, she has to get out of the vehicle. And there are no places well, that's your problem. But you're parking in two parking places. And that's illegal. I'm gonna get security and she went off and got security. The security guy came, and he started kind of down the same road. He wasn't angry, but he was uh, you can't stay here. And here's why. And so I just said, look, and I had my my white cane actually, I tapped the ramp and he said, Do you see the ramp? Do you see my wife in the vehicle in a wheelchair? How is she going to get out because there are no accessible parking places. His whole demeanor change. And he turned to the other woman and he said, Look, there's no reason why they can't park here. But the woman who started this process was so angry, she couldn't listen to that and understand it. And we actually thought she was going to follow us into the store that we would come back and find that there was damage to our vehicle. There wasn't. But she was extremely angry, and there was no need for that. There was but there was also no understanding or interest in understanding another point of view. Lorraine Durford-Hill 23:35 And definitely, when we get angry, we lose the use of our prefrontal lobe. And we cannot think straight, we lose the ability we go into that reptilian brain that we cannot, you know, we're more emotional and reactive than we are common sense and thinking. So that person wasn't able to hear you for one thing. And they were triggered by something themselves. And that's all they were doing. They were triggered. Maybe they got in trouble for parking like that one time. Or maybe you know, something happened that triggered them that they felt that you were being ridiculous. And it is when you understand where the other person's coming from. That often will change a person's anger. But she was past the point where she could she could do that she'd already lost control of of her logical thinking. Michael Hingson 24:36 Unfortunately, this security person didn't then he was able to recognize there was a legitimate reason and that under all the circumstances that surrounded it was the right thing to do. And of course, we're talking about if you will, one parking place, so it's not like there weren't other parking places for people at Costco. Go. But there were no other parking places for Karen, my wife. And I think you, you said something very interesting. And I guess the I think I know the answer. But how do you break through that level of anger? And I guess, at the time is happening, you really can't, can you? Lorraine Durford-Hill 25:16 No, no, there has to be. One of the things I suggest, if it's at that point where you're just almost like two dogs fighting, you have to walk away. Yeah, you have, you have to step break, until you can get your brain back in gear, and get it working again. Because there's no point, you could tell her all the logic in the whole world, that she would not have listened. Because she just couldn't take any of that information. And so if it is one of the suggestion is walk away, and say you know it, if you want the relationship with the person if you need to have a relationship, but in that case, you really don't need a relationship with her. You could just walk away. Yeah, but if that was a person that you needed a relationship with, then you would say, you know, Can we can we talk about this in half an hour, or can we talk about this later. Because because you have a relationship you want to do to deal with this situation, you want to, to build that bridge back up again. But if it's somebody, you know, random person, you're probably not going to care that much. Yeah, they've said this. Michael Hingson 26:34 Well, we care. But we also recognize there's nothing we can do. And that is really what we did. Fortunately, we had the extra value of the security person who understood the situation, but we close the car, the ramp went up, and we locked the doors, and we went into Costco. But as I said, we I've got to admit, we're very worried all the time we were in there, whether she would stalk us or whether she would run into somewhere in the store. And it would all start again, Karen was was pretty shaken by the whole thing. And I was concerned as well. Fortunately, none of that happened. And we went out afterward, and the car was fine. But but you know, one of the things that I talk about regularly is fear. And it's the same thing, because in a sense, it's very much relatable anger and fear. And I talked about being blinded by fear or paralyzed by fear, something happens that makes you so afraid, you completely lose perspective and lose the ability for a while to maybe figure out how to move past the situation. Of course, my example is being in the World Trade Center on September 11. And there were a lot of people who became afraid and still exhibited people who are afraid to fly because a terrorist crashed an airplane into the building, or they won't go into tall buildings anymore, because they might be caught in a tall building when somebody else crashes an airplane into it. And it's sometimes it's just very difficult to get people to understand, you can learn to control that and you can learn to use that fear, or maybe in your case, the anger to help you move forward and much more positive way. Lorraine Durford-Hill 28:19 Definitely. And, and what you said, you know, why these people didn't want to go on airplane, there's a trigger there. There's something that they are being triggered by. So it's trying to figure out what the trigger is. Why is that? bothering them? For some people, it could be as simple as they're not getting what they need. It could be what, it could be something, let's say that happened in their childhood, there's lots of reasons were triggered, it could be we could trigger ourselves in some ways by not having enough sleep by not. You know, by getting our needs and wants Next up, those things can trigger us. And we just react instead of thinking about it and dealing with it. But triggers are interesting, because we we sort of need to do a little bit of detective work when we're we're thinking about what our triggers are. What, what setting this off, and it's sort of like, what's the underlying issue in this situation? What's going on? That's making me feel this way. In that so you can move forward. If you've configured your triggers, then you have an ability to talk about it, and why that why that would trigger you. Michael Hingson 29:42 Yeah, and I was just looking for my notes on one thing. We had a a person on unstoppable mindset some time ago. And it was with a Gentleman, Dr. Gabe Roberts, have you heard of him? No, I don't know him. Dr. Roberts talked about the whole concept of psychosomatic fear, and then talked about the fact that our memories are really holograms. And what we react to comes from something that's in our holographic memory somewhere on the outside, we don't even remember it. But everything that we experience, in fact, still exists in our subconscious mind and our unconscious mind. And we need to, if we're going to deal with it, find that memory and bring it out. And that's one of the things that that he does, is that he works with people and talks a lot about illness, and people are very ill all the time. And he goes back and looks with them at their life and actually finds that little hologram in the bigger scheme of holograms. And if you know much about holograms, it's really you, you have a big picture, but it contains all of the aspects of everything in that picture looks the same in in memory as he describes it. So there's something in there, that's part of your whole big memory, but it's one little tiny piece, and you need to be able to go in and get to that piece to deal with it. And then move on from it. Lorraine Durford-Hill 31:32 Yeah, definitely. And it can be tricky. I mean, what I do is, is just surface incense, I don't go as deep as that. But I think that that is important for people who it's just not not working to get out of it. If it goes deeper than that, yes, you definitely need a therapist, you need someone to go deeper with you to figure it out and to to move you forward. But I think for the average person, if they can figure out where, where their issues are, they can move forward. Michael Hingson 32:11 And there's nothing wrong with soliciting help to try to find out where that is. And where that that little spot in your memory is. Lorraine Durford-Hill 32:21 I definitely feel like there's always been a stigma of therapy and doing all those things. But I feel it's so important to have someone who is trained to hear you. And I think that's the key is is the listening and asking the right questions to move you forward? Michael Hingson 32:42 Well, it's it's the same concept of the whole issue of conversation and looking at a problem. There's always value in having someone else even if it's just someone to be a sounding board for your thoughts, but conversing. Well, unlike what you talked about with kids, right, they explore things and think about things in a whole different way. But in so many ways, what they do teaches us so much and gives us ideas that we never thought of before, at least from the time that we were a kid. Lorraine Durford-Hill 33:17 So So I still get that. Michael Hingson 33:19 That's right. As as it should be. But we we tend to just not remember all that stuff, although gave robbers would tell us it's in our subconscious minds, and we could learn to go back and look for it. But I, I'm, I'm a personal believer, and there's nothing wrong with being a kid, as long as you understand the way to be a kid and, and what you also need to do to be a part of the world. And the fact is, we all live in the same world. And so there are some basic rules that we all need to follow to be able to coexist, but we can do that. And that's the thing that I think we often miss. Lorraine Durford-Hill 34:00 But again, as you said, it starts with conversation, if we make assumptions about what the other person is going to do or say, we're going to miss a lot. They're one of the things I talk about, I talk a lot about stories in the course that I was teaching, and it was talking about the New York bus drivers. And they were watching a video and they you know, we're talked about the person who keeps pulling the, the bell or the person that keeps asking where, you know, where's this place? Or there's a person who is just sort of slowly getting up and and then sitting back down and they just don't know what's going on. So then the they were told about each one of these people, while the person that was ringing the bell was new to the area and didn't know what was going on. And The person that kept getting up and kept getting down was so nervous because his mother was in the hospital. And he didn't know if he was there yet, because he, he kept getting lost in his thought. And there's just all kinds of reasons that people do what they do. And if you don't know, the reason you make make assumptions about what, why they're saying that why they're doing that. And I think sometimes that's where arguments wrapped, you know, can happen marriages, when you Oh, I know what he's thinking, Well, maybe you don't. So you have to truly listen and ask the right questions. Michael Hingson 35:35 Assumptions are always a big problem. And we do we, we tend to make we all make assumptions. And sometimes they're good assumptions. And sometimes they're not. But we make assumptions. Oftentimes, without really looking and thinking and asking questions. I tend to love to ask questions. And as a as a person who was in sales for and while still am in sales from many, many years, I learned a long time ago, the best thing to do is to ask questions, and not to make assumptions. And ask what people are thinking, ask about why they want to talk with us about our product, asked what they look for the product to do. And I especially love open ended questions, because I like to get people talking. Because I find it teaches me so much more. And yes, it does help in selling or not selling a product. But I learn a lot by doing that. And it's so important to get away from the yes and no questions and ask open ended questions. Lorraine Durford-Hill 36:42 Yeah, definitely, when I used to meet a family, you know, we would get the paperwork. And there was one little girl who I had three pages of paperwork, she was two years old, and a jenis, corpus callosum. She was, they thought she might be blind, they thought she was good, wouldn't be able to walk, you know, the list went on and on and on about this child, and I was nervous about meeting this child. And so I went to the home. And I was sort of looking for this child, because all I could see was this little girl bouncing around the room. She had beat all odds, the paperwork said, you know that she had all these limitations. But she was an amazing little girl, she's now an adult, and you know, going to college and doing all those things that people never thought she would ever do. But if you if I went by the assumption of what I was reading on paper, I would assume that this child wasn't going to amount to anything. And, you know, you have to ask those questions, you have to have those conversations. And you may, you know, need to figure out where they are. And each time I need a new family, I go through with, you know, questions like, tell me about this, tell me about that. And so that I can get the whole picture to figure out, you know, where I can help where, where there's issues and where we're going. Michael Hingson 38:14 People with disabilities oftentimes get victimized by that. I know when my I was born, and I've told the story before, my parents were told to put me in a home because no blind child could ever grow up to amount to anything. And they rejected that. And probably just the very fact that that comment was made, helped them reject it, but they were open to the idea that a blind child could do stuff. And so I was allowed to. And the result was that I think I grew up and became a reasonably productive kid in society. But the doctors made the assumptions. And it was all based on eyesight or lack of eyesight, which is such a horrible thing to do. Lorraine Durford-Hill 38:57 Definitely, we don't know, like parents love that's asked me, Well, what do you think? Do you think you'll ever talk? Do you think you'll ever do that? Well, I don't have that crystal ball. But look at what they've done so far. You know, I bring it back to that. Look, what they've learned so far, you know, they're able to walk, they're able to do this, they are able to do if you're seeing change, you may not see change, because you see the child every day. But someone who comes in once a month or once every, you know, few weeks, they're going to notice a change. So those need to hold on to those changes. Because that means that you know you're moving forward and not giving up on that. Michael Hingson 39:42 Well, so you retired and now you've got this whole second career. So exactly what's going on? What is it you're doing now? Lorraine Durford-Hill 39:49 Well, my mother's 101 So I figure I've got another possibly 40 years to to go so I need To You know, we rework things. So I want to still work with children, I still work one on one with children. I was doing it on Zoom during COVID. And now I'm starting to branch out to work in the parents home. But I also decided I was going to do online courses for the anger management, because I found, I was noticing more people who were angry, who were frustrated with, with the world and, and I wanted to, to help them because I learned so much from that course, in how to deal with anger, how to, to negotiate and, and do that conflict resolution. And I think that with parents, they need that anybody needs that. I mean, I have friends, you know, the don't have children, that could still benefit from, you know, learning about anger management and coming to that point where, where, you know, they can negotiate an issue. Michael Hingson 41:07 So, you are, you're starting to really teach people about anger management. And I think you've said that, you have a number of steps that people can go through to, to turn to how to transform your anger from reaction to action. So to move forward and deal with your anger and maybe make it a positive thing, how what what are those steps that that you've created, or that you found. Lorraine Durford-Hill 41:36 So I have been studying self regulation as well as anger management. So I've taken the framework of self regulation. So that the first part of that is reframing. So as I talked about, is reframe how we see things so that self talk, think about it differently. See it with a different set of eyes. And then you're going to look at what's happening in your body. So that's going to be recognize the issue, you're going to recognize how you you're reacting, you're going to recognize your body. And then you're going to sort of, you're going to, to reduce that anger. And you might do it by listening to music, you might do it by going out and doing some exercises or talking to a friend. So you're going to reduce it. So you've reframed it, you've recognized it, you reducing it, and now you're going to reflect you're going to reflect on what's happening. So the triggers, what am I triggers what's going on here. And then the last step is you're going to respond. So you're going to respond by figuring out a way that you can get to that win win, that both people can get to that win win. So you're respecting the other person's opinion. And you are working together to collaborate and getting to that point where you're both happy with the decision and working it out. Michael Hingson 43:11 So can you use these, these steps this process all the time, when where does it work? Or how do you put it into practice? Lorraine Durford-Hill 43:21 Well, that the five steps of regulation can fit for any issue you have, whether it's anger, whether it's behavior, it can fit for everything. And you would use it for just identifying what's going on for the person by taking that step of going through each one by the reframing, recognizing, reducing, reflecting and responding. If you go through each one of those steps, you're going to be able to maybe possibly find some solutions, by having that person reflect on what's going on. It's not me saying you need to do this, you need to do that. It's them going, Oh, this is why I'm doing this. Oh, it's it's that internal work that they're figuring out. Okay, this makes sense. This is why I'm doing this. I'm giving them a framework, but I'm letting them come to the realization of what's going on. Because I don't know what's inside their head. Michael Hingson 44:22 Right? So it's really all a matter of first of learning how to figure out as much as you can what's inside their head or learning how to react to the particular situation I assume. Lorraine Durford-Hill 44:34 Because every every like, you can walk in and with working with a child with special needs because they each have their own unique way of dealing with things. They you know, some people are are visual, some people are tactile, some are tactile, defensive, you don't know and so you have to approach them in a way that is based on their strengths and Making sure that okay, you've been able to solve this before, let's work on that strength. Let's use that strength to move you to the next step. Michael Hingson 45:10 How do you discover that about someone? Lorraine Durford-Hill 45:13 For me, it's observation and a little bit of inch intuition, I tend to give a child a toy and figure out what they will do with it. It's more about, I don't come in with a strict agenda, I have some things that I want to do, because we have goals. But I would like to see what first they're going to do with it. And then I sort of mold it more into, okay, this is we have a goal that they will use two hands together, I'm just thinking, one of the kids, I brought in a little accordion. And I just wanted to see if he could use the two hands together to make it work. And so he was able to do that. And so then we started doing other things to hand it. So it was just a waste, we started with something that I knew he loved music. So we just built on that so that we can move the skills forward. Michael Hingson 46:19 So the whole idea behind dealing with this, the skills, learning the steps, and so on, is that something that most anyone can do or who can benefit from learning and putting all this into practice? Lorraine Durford-Hill 46:34 I think that, again, you need to have someone who's going to look at the big picture, as a parent, sometimes you can only see a small fragment of what's going on. But you don't see the big picture. And I think it takes someone whether it's, you know, a family member or somebody else to see the big picture then and look at what's going on. And then you you're able to maybe be a little bit more open to to changes and what's going on. Just in another example is I had a little guy who would spit, he would spit at you all the time. And we did all the behavior management, we you know, okay, you only spit in the toilet, or if you're going to split, you're going to have to clean it up. We did all kinds of things. And then I went into the home. And he was spitting at his dad, and his dad would pick them up flipping over the shoulder and take a limb and have a good time. So what we realized was that he thought that was the way to interact with us, was for him to spit at us. Because it works at home, I get tickled I get, you know, a laugh. And once the dad stopped doing that he didn't spit anymore. So it you just really someone needs to be able to, to look at the big picture to figure out, okay, this is what we're missing, or this is, you know, this is what's going on. So I think anybody can do it. But I think that somebody who has taken the time to have that knowledge of what to be looking for is better. Michael Hingson 48:25 To Pat, we don't have more of a manual that somebody has written to help us learn how to raise kids and how to deal with people in general. It's step by step guide. Lorraine Durford-Hill 48:41 Yeah. And I think the old methods were good. And because I've been around for so long, I'd like to sort of mold those together and meld those together. Because there's some strategies that, you know, we would have used years ago. And then there's new strategies, you know, they don't they don't believe in timeout anymore. They don't, you know, there's so many things that have changed. So, you know, we have to still kind of balance what's going to be best for the child. Michael Hingson 49:11 Although there's been a lot of change in some ways, but still basic principles are the same, aren't they? Lorraine Durford-Hill 49:19 Yes, they, yeah, that. But I think the biggest thing that's a trend right now is connection, we need to have connection. And even though you know, we're together in a family unit a lot more because of COVID We still don't have the, the the quality of connection. And I think that the quality is the key to be able to have that fun communication. And, you know, help each other self regulate. You know, if somebody's, you know, feeling anxious about what's going on in the world. We need to have a conversation. So so that people can express themselves? Michael Hingson 50:03 Have we lost that connection? Is that something that we used to do more of? Do you think? Lorraine Durford-Hill 50:11 Um, well, I guess I'm sort of noticing it too now that I'm not working in a in a work environment, I'm on my own, for the most part, that even just having a sounding board of my other co workers, I kind of missed that, of just saying, you know, what do you think of this idea? What do you think of that idea? So I can see how people who are now working from home in general, are not getting that same connection with, you know, just turning to your coworker beside you and saying, What do you think of this? Or do you have an idea for this? I think those little short conversations are being missed. Michael Hingson 50:52 See, I approach it, I hear what you're saying. But in general, I tend to approach some of this a little bit differently, not seeing people, for example, and becoming somewhat used to working independently. When I'm in an office, you're right, you have interactions that you don't have, when you are working from home, and so on. But one of the things that that I tend to do even now is when I have a question, I will go find someone to reach out to and interact with. And for me, it's I suspect, easier than it is for you. Or people who, who can see who were used to just turning and seeing that person next to you. Because I don't need to see the person next to me to be able to call them on the phone and interact and ask questions. So zoom meetings don't bother me. And I've never been at all involved in being tired of zum zum. Zum has not, for example, been something that I have learned to detest and can't live without, it doesn't matter to me, whether I'm talking on the phone or dealing with someone face to face. And yes, there is a difference when you're dealing with them face to face. But still, from the communication standpoint, you don't necessarily need to do that, in order to be able to interact, and talk with people about whatever questions or whatever things you're, you're thinking of Lorraine Durford-Hill 52:27 that that's true. Yeah, you're definitely using another sense. You know, where as probably for me, I'm using so many senses during a Zoom, zoom call, or, you know, my visual sense, because that's where my eyes get tired, I'm plagued, definitely, my eyes get tired of just watching the screen and having screen time. And I just find that that very draining. Where, you know, I in one sense is probably a little bit easier, because you're just you're listening to what scope and I'm Michael Hingson 53:05 using other senses. But But you're right, from for the purposes of zoom, it's more auditory than anything else. But I think that the big issue is that we don't, although we're very adaptable, and we can be very malleable, we again, get locked into wanting to do it a certain way. So we don't necessarily learn to listen more, and not worry so much about eyesight, when we're doing something like zoom. Whereas, if we learned to not worry about that so much, and recognize that we can still get the communications and get the desired information that we want, we would probably be a lot less well even angry about not being able to be in front of or next to our colleagues in person. Lorraine Durford-Hill 53:59 That's true. That's true. Now, it's, you know, we get angry for many different reasons. And, you know, it could be, you know, my anger may result, you know, if I was angry about not having my co workers, it could be my, the underlying issue could be that I'm just tired of being on my own, you know, so that maybe what what's triggering it, so it could be as simple as that. So we have to look at it and I think that that's you know, if if you're uncomfortable or if you're if you're feeling something, you need to look at it and make a change. Michael Hingson 54:37 We need to learn to do more self analysis and learn to look in our in in ourselves and into ourselves more than we tend to do. I think that that's also part of what helps deal with fear is when we look at ourselves, why did I react this way to that situation? What else could I have done? Did Partly to maybe affect a different reaction or I know that I shouldn't have been afraid or I shouldn't have been so reactive to that situation. What could I do differently? And we don't mostly ask ourselves those questions. We don't look at that. And so, again, we don't get the opportunity to learn because we don't take the opportunity to learn. So true. And so it tends to be a little bit of an issue for us. But it is something that again, we can learn to deal with, if we choose to do that. Yes. So tell me more about your courses, and so on. So exactly. What are you doing now. Lorraine Durford-Hill 55:40 So, right now, I'm offering an eight week online course that self directed. And it's called taming the anger monster. And that's because I was working with a little guy who drew me a picture of a monster that just was so cute that I had to use it as my sort of theme. And it is you go through the different stages. So just understanding what anger is, and all the. So that's two weeks of understanding what anger is, we're talking about the effects on your body, all the different ways that affects your body, talking about triggers, we're talking for two weeks, on just the conflict resolution. And then the eighth week is more about meeting one on one and talking about what you've learned through the course. And moving on from there. I do have another program that I do for children, it's just for children, it's all about drawing, and talking about anger. Through drawing and understanding anger in a different way. It's the same framework for understanding, you know, what anger is and how it affects our body? And what what makes us angry. So it's a similar step. And that's I do on Zoom, four, on one on one. Michael Hingson 57:07 Do you find it easier to deal with children as opposed to adults? I mean, I'm assuming there are some differences, but it just popped into my head to ask you that question. Lorraine Durford-Hill 57:20 Um, sometimes I feel it's easier to do with deal with children because they're more open. And they are not as in the box, they children definitely think outside of the box. Where as parents are, this is what is expected. And this is what I should do. And you know, it's clear cut. So it's, it's showing them the possibilities of parents showing them definitely possibilities. Michael Hingson 57:49 parents tend to be locked into anger in one way or another. Whereas it seems to me children who may become angry, don't know why they're not locked into it. And it's easier to get them to go back and analyze and think of things differently than then perhaps they were, I would think, Lorraine Durford-Hill 58:08 Oh definitely, I had one parent who came into a daycare one day, she sort of handed the child over to us and said, Don't give my child any attention, or hugs. She was bad last night with babysitter. And we sort of went Oh, not that we wouldn't do that. But she was holding on to something that happened the night before. So she had been angry all night. And she was still angry in the morning, and probably was going to be angry at work. So she was holding on that so tightly. Child probably doesn't even remember what they did to the babysitter. And it should have been something that you know, was over and done with at the time. But this parent held on to it. So you can imagine what effect that had on the parent, she just could not let it go. Michael Hingson 59:03 One of the most interesting things I've learned in recent years dealing with guide dogs that wasn't so much understood, years and years ago, but is now is the whole concept of reward or reaction to a behavior. So dogs live in the moment. And if you have a reaction to something that your dog did, and you hold on to that anger, you can hold on to it all you want, but dogs long gone, that dog has no clue what's going on. When you want to truly get a dog to behave in a certain way. One of the things that you learn to do is to reward the dog for good behavior, but you have to do it immediately. seconds or a number of seconds later won't work. If you want to use a food reward the dogs always going to take the kibble or most likely will take the kibble But if you want the dog to remember why they were getting the kibble, you have to react immediately. And that's why I don't know whether you're familiar with clicker training. But that's why clickers are so important. Are you familiar with that at all? No, I don't know that. So there's a meme. Did you ever used to play with a little toy called a cricket? You know, you push the Yeah, same concept. So a clicker is just a bigger cricket. But what you do with a clicker is that when the dog does something you like, you instantly click, you don't use it for negative reinforcement, you do it for positive. Good job, you did that, and you got to do it immediately. And then it's always good to follow it up with a food reward, which further enhances it. But the clicker is the demarcation for having done something good. It is one of the most powerful tools that I have found for eliciting good behavior in my guide dogs. And in fact, the behavior of dogs that have come through clicker training is markedly better, and more long lasting than the way it used to be without clickers before that was done. Now, I don't sure that we can use clickers with kids, but the concept is still there, which is that they like to know when they do a good thing. And that's going to last, whereas if you just hold on to something, and you don't deal with it immediately, your right, kids gonna forget. Lorraine Durford-Hill 1:01:37 Definitely. And the study has shown that we need to do for the child even to remember things, we have to do five positive comments or thoughts tore them, like, you know, I really liked the way you tidied up, or, you know, you did a great job coloring to one negative. And you have to do it five to one for them to really hear the positive. So if it's any less than five, they're only going to concentrate on the negative. Michael Hingson 1:02:08 And that elicits fear. Yeah. Well, this has been a lot of fun. And I hope you've enjoyed it. Lorraine Durford-Hill 1:02:17 Yes, definitely. I love the conversation. How do people Michael Hingson 1:02:21 get a hold of you if they'd like to take your course or learn more about what you have to offer and so on. Lorraine Durford-Hill 1:02:28 So I can be reached at tamingtheangermonster@gmail.com. And if you email me, I can send you out a list of 20 ways to reframe your thoughts, your self talk, I will send that out to you. You can also check my website out. I'm still new at the website bit. But there is a website that offers parents some information about different websites that they can get information from. And thats at Mychildisspecial.ca Michael Hingson 1:03:05 well cool. And I am sure you're going to find this some people are going to reach out to you or want to reach out to you and go to the websites but certainly email you would you spell your name for us so that people can at least address you right? Lorraine Durford-Hill 1:03:22 Okay, so my name is Lorraine Durnford-Hill. So Lorraine is L O R R A I N E. And the last name is D U R N F O R D - Hill, H I L L Michael Hingson 1:03:39 Lorraine, I want to thank you very much. This has been fascinating. And you are welcome to come back anytime. If you think of other things that we ought to talk about. I would love to do this again. I am with you. It's still always good to be a kid. I'd rather be I'd rather be a kid than an adult any day. But I want to be a responsible and a good kid. So that's that's part of it. But I really do enjoy the time that we've had to be able to be together. And I hope all of you who have been listening to this, enjoy it as well. So reach out to Lorraine. And would you just repeat the web address again and your email again. Lorraine Durford-Hill 1:04:22 So my email is tamingtheanger monster@gmail.com. and my website ismychildisspecial.ca. Michael Hingson 1:04:33 So reach out to Lorraine and I'm sure she can give you some good insights to do with your kids or the kid in you. 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Hey Everyone,In today's episode we are joined by Fiona Setch. Having had a successful first career in Nursing, specialising in caring for people who were dying, Fiona is passionate about helping people reach their potential in life, and especially enjoyment in work.With twenty eight years experience of designing & delivering inspiring and innovative learning strategies; Fiona provides high quality development opportunities tailored to the needs of the organisation, team and individual.Fiona is renowned for her enthusiastic, inspiring and motivational delivery style as a coach, supervisor, trainer and public speaker.In this episode, we discuss;Fiona takes us right back to when she left the UK to work in Italy at just 18, and how that experience helped shape her confidenceThat everything you do, is going to contribute to who you become, and what you end up doingIf you're going to take the time to study anything, make sure it's something that you love!How Fiona has created unique offerings in her business, one such example being that of Retirement CoachingHow being made redundant can significantly impact your confidence, and how reframing the language around that experience can helpFiona's experience of working with individuals with HIV and Aids, and how angry she had become about the judgment she was witnessing at the timeWe hear all about Fiona's 23 years of caring for her mother, who sadly died in her nursing home during the first wave of Covid We take a short detour into understanding what coaching is, and isn't, and why it's important to know this if you're thinking of investing in a coachFor the first time on the podcast we openly discuss the pandemic and how we collectively experienced the challenges it has broughtThe struggle of transitioning her face to face business on to an online platform during the pandemic and the lack of confidence Fiona experienced using technologyTowards the end of the episode we find our way to discussing death, and how critical it is to have the confidence to discuss death with our loved onesAt times this episode hits some incredibly hard hitting, but real life issues that all three of us agree aren't being discussed enough. There's silence in places, as we process and contemplate how to take the conversation forward. Fiona shares very recent and real examples of losses she has experienced, and how she has managed to keep moving forward. It was a genuine privilege to hold a space for this conversation. Fiona is lighthearted, funny, and has so many wonderful stories to listen to. There is so much to take from this episode, perhaps not specifically about confidence, maybe more about life.Please enjoy!If you enjoy the podcast, please SUBSCRIBE to our show and leave a review. Even better, please feel free to share with anyone you feel would value from the information we provide. For more information on Fiona visit,Website: http://www.fionasetch.co.uk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fiona-setch-3540a0a/For more information about Kerry's work visit,Website: https://www.kerryhearsey.com  For more information about Adams work visit,Website: My Coach For Life | Life beyond limits

Episode 100 Episode number 100! Can you believe it?! It seems like only yesterday, we were nervously launching this podcast, wondering if anyone would listen, and here we are with 51,000 downloads, dozens of incredible guests, and so much more planned for 2022 and beyond. Thank you all for your incredible support. You are truly the best community on the internet. To celebrate this momentous occasion, we took some time to share our favorite recent facts, stories, and learnings. So if you want to learn about forests in the sky, insect superhighways, Olympic achievements, heartfelt wisdom, how to forgive, the clams who control Warsaw's water supply, and that time that Pepsi briefly became the 6th biggest military in the world, then you're in the right place.   Support this podcast on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/DowntheWormholepodcast   More information at https://www.downthewormhole.com/   produced by Zack Jackson music by Zack Jackson and Barton Willis    Transcript  This transcript was automatically generated by www.otter.ai, and as such contains errors (especially when multiple people are talking). As the AI learns our voices, the transcripts will improve. We hope it is helpful even with the errors. Zack Jackson  00:05 You are listening to the Down the wormhole podcast, exploring the strange and fascinating relationship between science and religion. This is our 100th episode. Oh Ray, which is why we're doing it live and not pre recorded. I mean, it's always done live. But you know what I mean, that clip of me at the beginning, which is why it's so unpolished here at the beginning, but it's our 100th episode, and we're super excited. And we're doing something totally different today. So everyone, just say your name as fast as possible at the same time, okay. Hurray, well, so after 100 episodes, hopefully you know who we are at this point. Today is going to be totally different instead of taking a topic and going into it, we are all coming here today with a fun fact or story or something that has filled our hearts with joy or wonder in the past. I don't know, I was gonna say in the past couple of months, but time makes no sense. In the world of COVID We have all been living in a wormhole for the past two years or maybe 12 years or who knows. So. So does anybody want to start? Or? Or do you want me to start? Ian Binns  01:27 Kendra razor 01:28 Andrew wants to start, Kendra Holt-Moore  01:28 I can start. But if you want to start back then No, go ahead. Just anything. Zack Jackson  01:35 Tell me go ahead Rachael Jackson  01:37 and wait, go ahead needles here. Zack Jackson  01:40 What happens when we don't schedule, Kendra Holt-Moore  01:43 I am really excited to share this because I I love Radiolab it's my other one of my favorite podcasts. And I recently learned on one of their recent episodes, that a scientist for years have been, you know, in the forest, they pay a lot of attention to like what's happening on the forest floor. And for many years, scientists didn't like put in a lot of effort, or they just didn't think that it was as important to be observing, studying what's happening up in the canopy of the trees. And, you know, in in recent years, like, there's a lot more stuff that you can like, read about and, you know, we know more about the canopy of trees, but scientists were like, you know, we were we're on the ground, we're closer to the dirt and the roots and the trunks. And so that's where a lot of that like early work was taking place. But I learned in this episode that there is a scientist, I can't remember her name, but she basically was one of the first people to discover that there is there are trees that grow in the canopy of trees. It's not turtles all the way down, it's trees all the way up. Zack Jackson  03:08 There are trees growing in. Kendra Holt-Moore  03:11 And, and that's how Radiolab put it up, not turtles all the way down, but trees all the way up. And I really love that I was thinking it's also kind of like the men and black conclusion of the world inside of a marble, or the Dr. Seuss story of a dandelion that has like a world living inside of the dandelion. Like we're just, you know, it's it's a great alternative of like the multiple worlds hypothesis. There's just trees living in their own ecosystem in the canopy of the forest, because there's dirt that gets trapped up in the canopy, like in between, like tree branches. And so one of the scientists she had proposed, I think it was for her dissertation to, to do work until like study the canopy. And her advisors were like, Okay, if you want to do that fine, but they weren't like super excited about it. And so she started, you know, doing her fieldwork and would climb up into the trees. And the first time that she noticed this, like other ecosystem in the canopy, she like was able to reach her hand into dirt up in the canopy, like she's up off the ground, but putting her hand in dirt. That was like putting your hand in dirt that's down on the literal ground. And I just think that is so cool. I didn't know that maybe maybe y'all are more informed about tree canopies than I am but I just found that to be a really cool thing because especially if you think about like really dense, dense like tropical forests where you you can't actually see what's going on up at the canopy like you have to, you have to go up in it to get perspective So it makes sense why we would not be super aware of the the canopy ecosystem or like the canopy soil. But it it's a somehow dirt. I mean, it makes sense to some degree like the way that wind, wind blowing through the forest and the density of the canopy, like trapping a lot of stuff. But dirt is one of those things. And so there's stuff that grows up there. And we just don't even know Zack Jackson  05:34 I have that happening in my front yard, we're just noticing that there's a, there's a tree, and like the branches come out. And there's like a little, I don't know, pocket area where they're their branch away, and that the ants had eaten away in that little spot there. And so all like the decomposed ant poop or whatever, had made just like little thing of dirt. And there was a tiny sapling growing out of there. And I pulled it out, because I was like, that's gonna kill my tree. But I'm just I didn't realize that was happening, like Ian Binns  06:05 another tree to save a tree. Kendra Holt-Moore  06:09 Way to go, wow, Zack Jackson  06:11 there's some ethical implications there. Kendra Holt-Moore  06:14 Wow, that's cool, though. Zack Jackson  06:16 That's pretty amazing. Ian Binns  06:18 Tree murder. Zack Jackson  06:19 Hey, Kendra, that reminds me of the do you know about the like the insect jet stream? That's up there. Like, very far Rachael Jackson  06:30 up. I do love the bug. Kendra Holt-Moore  06:32 I think I do know about Zack Jackson  06:34 I do love books. It's true. Kendra Holt-Moore  06:37 It's not well, like, oh, go ahead, Zack Jackson  06:40 be flying airplanes in the early days of aviation. And they're like, why are there bugs on our windshield? Aren't we very hot 1000s of feet up in the air? Like, I mean, like 5000 feet up in the air and there's insects. I saw what estimate that like, How much was it, like somewhere between three to 6 billion insects are flying over your head up in like the jet stream all summer. They'll they'll get like caught up in updrafts. And then the wind is just blowing constantly up there. And so they'll just like travel. And they'll just fly around up there. Until they get they fall down to earth. And they're so light that, you know, it doesn't hurt them. And these aren't just like flying insects, you'll have like ants and stuff thrown around. Kendra Holt-Moore  07:25 That's really cool. I wonder if it's the same path, or like trajectory that other things will get like caught up in those high air streams to like sand. Like I think this is like part of how the dirt gets in the cannabis. There's sand from, you know, deserts that will kick up and travel from, you know, like Africa to the Brazilian rainforest. And the tiny organisms that live on those pieces of sand, nourish the soil, and nourish the ocean, like provide sustenance, like in places that you wouldn't expect that sand to end up. Like, you might not even think that sand travels. But I wonder if it's a shared sort of trajectory of the insects and sand. It's just like, it's crazy. It's in the world. unaccessible inaccessible to our everyday experiences, but it's just one big one big ecosystem. Zack Jackson  08:26 Yeah, every time I'm up there, there, the windows are closed. So I don't Ian Binns  08:33 you don't know if the sands gonna pull you in the face and Zack Jackson  08:36 Nope, never done it. So my story I wanted to share. Well, first of all, I'm six foot three. How tall is everyone else? Ian Binns  08:45 5656 511 and three quarters. Zack Jackson  08:52 Okay, so all of you are children. Adam Pryor  08:56 But I'm five, nine. Zack Jackson  08:59 Girl about to do with five inches tall on my screen. Well, did you know that that on average, we in our generation are three inches taller than people were 100 years ago. might have heard that. It's true. And one of the reasons is because of German submarines. Rachael Jackson  09:21 Okay, that's gonna need some explanation. Yeah, Kendra Holt-Moore  09:25 I'm so glad. So technically, she didn't ask she's like demanded mark that Zack Jackson  09:36 I'm into it either way. So in the early 19 hundred's, people didn't eat a whole lot of meat. Right, because they didn't have modern refrigeration, meats expensive. It's expensive to raise them to all of that stuff. And so when people did eat meat, it was usually like canned sardines. That was the most commonly used meat in those days, at right, awful, most of the good sardines came from off the coast of France, and then off the coast of New England. So it's Atlantic based sardines were the best ones. And then suddenly, during World War One, there are German U boats in the Atlantic. And we didn't have the ability to know where they were all the time. And so people kind of freaked out and they were like, I'm not gonna fish anymore. I'm gonna get blown up. So they stopped fishing sardines, and there were no more sardines, and Americans loved sardines. So, overnight, almost this giant new industry started in Monterey, California, fishing for sardines out in the Pacific. And the reason why people don't normally eat Pacific, sardines is because they're awful. They're like, gross, and massive, and, and oily and disgusting. And if given the choice, Atlantic ones are always going to win. But then we didn't have a choice anymore. So this whole industry boomed in Monterey. And all these new fisheries went up, and they were taking in tons and tons and tons. And then the war ended. And then boom, the whole industry collapsed. They had all these new fisheries, they had all these new processing plants they had, they had all this new stuff that nobody wanted to buy anymore. And so nobody quite knew what to do until this industrious young man and Max Schaefer showed up with a novel idea. And he took these sardines and instead of canning them for human consumption, mashed them all up into a nasty fish paste, and then mix it with grain, and marketed it to farmers as cheap chicken food. Ian Binns  11:40 Sounds so good. Zack Jackson  11:43 And it was cheap. And it was so full of nutrients, because it was fish that the chickens all grew really big. This led to really fat chickens, which led to tender delicious chickens, which led to the chicken of tomorrow breeding competition in 1948, in which farmers around the country were invited to breed the chicken of tomorrow. And the chicken that one that is basically the modern roasting chicken, the one that can't really fly that has whose like skin is is like light colored and is easily plucked, and has large. Adam Pryor  12:27 The chicken with boobs so big, they can't fly. Zack Jackson  12:29 Exactly. Yeah, the chicken that we know and love and eat today came from that. So the consumption of chicken then skyrocketed and became a part of American culture, fried chicken and chicken breasts and all of that. We started eating more meat. And then we grew. And so the reason why modern Americans are three inches taller than their counterparts is because of German U boats in the Atlantic in the early 19 hundred's Rachael Jackson  13:01 that's pretty cool. Right? Because you're asking how tall we were? Years ago, I was obsessed with just records for no reason. Like, I would read the Guinness Book of World Records for fun. Kendra Holt-Moore  13:17 You know, that's not what I thought you were talking about there, but I like this better. Rachael Jackson  13:22 Okay, yeah. Now, I meant so five foot two was the average heights for women in about 100 years ago, right. Nowadays, it's five foot five. So it's so if we say older people are so short, that's true. They really are that much shorter than we are and has nothing to do with like osteoarthritis or because the you know, the discs between their vertebrae are thinning or anything like that they they literally are just shorter than we are Zack Jackson  14:04 should have eaten more chicken. Rachael Jackson  14:05 And so now what are How tall are people going to get 100 years from now Zack? Like if Zack Jackson  14:14 massive hundreds of feet, I think will be a race of monsters. And then the Lord will have to flood the earth in order to read us Rachael Jackson  14:23 only that's at least what we try to have a ladder and build a tower. Because Zack Jackson  14:30 know the people who made the ark. Who are those people who built the life sized Ark Ken Ham in them? They're building a tower of Babel. I know. That's literally the point of the story is you're not supposed to build it. Adam Pryor  14:46 You're building a tower of Babel that's the plan is it is it like a like you know, like a twilight zone like tower terror drop, like wow, like you get to go up and Kendra Holt-Moore  14:56 really miss the Ian Binns  14:58 levels. Yeah, Zack Jackson  15:01 I feel like if they complete it, I want to they've they've missed the point. But if they like leave the top intentionally undone, then perhaps I'm like, that might be fun. Rachael Jackson  15:12 You know, you sit down in a way that Ian Binns  15:14 I definitely want to share this episode with him. Rachael Jackson  15:16 Yeah, you you share it. You said that no way, like, the same way that Robin Williams did in one of his stand up comedies, by the way from like, 20 years ago, where he talked about, you know, touching the nipples of gorillas Zack Jackson  15:34 I think that's on par. Right? Tempting God and touching the nipples of gorillas, Rachael Jackson  15:40 you know, he had got to know what's gonna happen Adam Pryor  15:45 might be like a good activity for the top of the tower. Good. Wow. So that to Kenny, I will. Well, Zack Jackson  15:55 yeah, what if you weren't blocked? Ian Binns  15:56 I'm gonna do it from our purse or? Zack Jackson  16:00 Oh, yeah. Ian's personal account got blocked by Ken Ham. So last time, he wanted to share one of our episodes, he had to use the down the wormhole Twitter handle, because he's trying to get us blocked in him too. So thank you. It was a really Rachael Jackson  16:14 good Astronics were taken Ian Binns  16:17 at Jennifer Wiseman, are there poking fun at the you know, the new telescope up there. And so I felt like you know, help him out a little bit. And say, if you want to be really cool about it, listen to this episode. Zack Jackson  16:30 That's right. That's right. Well, Ken Ham, you're welcome on this show, at any point, Adam Pryor  16:36 oh, Gorilla nipples, Ian Binns  16:39 on the top of the new tower of tower that you're building. I'm still trying to figure out what it is I've learned that I want to share. Rachael Jackson  16:51 I don't I don't have anything that that fun. Um, I've just taken some time away from the worlds and just delved into my hobbies. And so I think at this point, y'all know that I like to cross stitch. So I cross stitch, like so many different space things, I can certainly share a picture of it, it was really awesome, especially brain freeze black holes, and different nebulae, and it was just really fun. Zack Jackson  17:30 But, oh, the Pillars of Creation orgeous Rachael Jackson  17:33 I really enjoy the Pillars of Creation. I have been like, desperately following what's going on with web. And so it's just so unbelievably exciting to witness this thing that costs so many more dollars than than anyone ever thought it was possible. And that gives me hope for humanity. Right. So and, and being Jewish, and living in a place where Christianity dominates and not just your run of the mill Christianity, but like, you will believe kind of Christianity and to see that. Yeah, exactly. To to watch that. Adam Pryor  18:19 It's gonna be what, Zack? Zack Jackson  18:22 I'm offended. Do you imagine that? I'm like storebrand Christianity? Rachael Jackson  18:30 Not at all. Not at all. Adam Pryor  18:32 Okay, good. But I think you could use that in a scary way. Rachael Jackson  18:35 Yeah, Tower of Babel. Go on. It got pushed back. So for anyone that wasn't really following the it was supposed to launch on the 22nd. I mean, it was supposed to launch at various times. And then they were smart, and they didn't make it launch. And then they they decided to launch it on December 25. I was like Merry Christmas Jews, like, cuz the Jewish Christmas is fast food and movie. Things open. But it's like, Yes, I can watch this. Like, that's the best, it was the best. So watching that, and then having it unfold a couple of weeks, like it made it. And now knowing that somebody did really good math and made sure that there was extras, right. So if any of you have ever gone on a road trip, I was certainly thinking about this. Because we're looking at electrical cars. It's like, well, how far can we really go and since there's no no stations where you could like fuel up your your electrical car, you can really only go a very short distance in most parts of the country. So you then say, Okay, well, how far can I go? And then you give yourself a little bit of buffer room because you don't want to be stuck there. Well, someone over at NASA and when I say someone, I'm sure that it was many, many teams of people said well, we want to make sure that it's kind of get there, right, it's going to get to L two. We don't really need it to stop and so they just put extra fuel But they did a really great job. And instead of it possibly lasting for 10 years, they think they now have so much fuel it might last for 20 years. And that's just I didn't hear that far out. And it's just really exciting that they have so much that it was good fuel usage on the way there, that they have almost doubled the ability to live and send better. So and Zack Jackson  20:23 so it would only be able to live for 20 years, or could it Outlast that? Does it have the power? No, Rachael Jackson  20:28 I think it's probably going to depend on what signals they send it, and what technology we come up with. But it looks like probably only only in air quotes, you know, 20 years. And you know, Zack Jackson  20:43 it's Hubble's going all Rachael Jackson  20:44 right, but Hubble, especially if you have read the book handprints on Hubble, you'll know, fascinating book, by the way. Hubble is so different than Webb, and pretty much everything else that came before it. The concept with Hubble is that it could be repairable in space. But that's what made it so unique and so challenging to build is that they had to constantly go over and over and say like, Can an astronaut actually attach themselves to this, right? Like, where do you put the foothold because there's no torque, if you're not holding on to anything, you're just like, off into space with no gravity, you can't actually use a wrench. So what do you do. And because they made the concept of this being repairable in space, they could make it so much better than it is, well, web is not going to be repairable in space, because it's a little far. So whatever it is, is what it is. So everyone was holding their collective breath for all of everything to unfurl, and then it did beautifully. And they're still calibrating it. So it's still gonna be like another 10 ish weeks until things are fully calibrated, and really sending pictures. But that that's just sort of my, it's not really a story. It's just I think that one of the things that I look at here is all of these, let's go and preach your style here. All of these extras that they put into it, the buffers that they build in, like, we can totally do that in our lives. Like we can build in buffer for times, we can build in buffer for gas, we can build in buffer for crying. Not that I've been doing that at all. Like we can just build in these buffers for each other and ourselves. And I think it's beautiful. And we decided, like it took so many governments to put web up there and we worked together and I am so a utopian universe kind of person. Right? Star Trek and Marvel all the way. Screw you DC and Star Wars. Oh, I know that. But this Ian Binns  22:49 DC thing you didn't have to throw both of you did? Rachael Jackson  22:51 We did. It has that that that nugget of hope and humanity and we put so much money into it. It's insane. And if we can do that, nothing functional. That's Darn it. I thought Ian Binns  23:11 the force. Rachael Jackson  23:14 Okay, I'm just gonna sit here and wait. And I don't know if any of this gets recorded. Zack Jackson  23:18 Oh, you're moving against the freezer. Oh, there she is. Rachael Jackson  23:22 Oh, you're moving again. Okay, she Zack Jackson  23:25 froze during her idea. Thank Rachael Jackson  23:26 you. So anyway, yay, us. And perhaps we could use all of that money to give stable Internet to Podunk places like where I live, that'd be great. Zack Jackson  23:41 Well, I did hear that some solar flare interference, sort of a deal knocked out like a couple dozen Starlink satellites recently. Rachael Jackson  23:49 Is that a problem? Is that really the problem? Zack Jackson  23:54 I mean, I don't think Starlink internet it's very expensive right now. Rachael Jackson  23:59 I think it's that we just live in the middle of nowhere and have bad internet today. So that's, that's, that's that's my story. Ian Binns  24:06 I feel like Adam should follow up with something. Rachael Jackson  24:09 I think so too, because he has to bring it down. Like I've got all this like ideal. I gotta be Ben. So Adam. Zack Jackson  24:17 Already reboot. Kendra, Kendra Holt-Moore  24:19 Adam, are you going to talk about web because I almost shared a story that I thought maybe you would talk about but it's actually something that I learned indirectly. From you through Chad. I love this. Oh, you're not going to talk about that. Then I want to say that you should say you can Adam Pryor  24:35 you can say it. Go ahead. I Zack Jackson  24:36 have a story about clams that I can share too. Kendra Holt-Moore  24:40 So web then clans then Adam. Wrapping us up. Great. Ian still has listening. Zack Jackson  24:47 We've got time. We're only halfway through. We've got time. Kendra Holt-Moore  24:51 Um, okay. Well, two things I want to share. The first thing is I I'm really happy that we're talking about web because the other day I brought up The Webb telescope in my class, and all my students were like, Oh, is that? And I was like, Are you kidding me right now? No NASA nerds. And they were all like, like, everyone shaking their heads. And I was like, this is this is this is unacceptable. And so I sent them an email later that was completely, like, unrelated, you know, it was about class. And then the end of my email was like, also, just for fun, please go read about the Gobi school. But I, I have been so inspired by keeping up with this, that I put a little like anecdote about it in one of my dissertation chapters, because I'm writing about off. But I think what's really interesting about the kind of all and like, inspiration and energy that people feel around the Webb telescope, is that it's not just what it could do for us. It's not just that, like, How amazing would it be, if we learn all this stuff, by, you know, being able to see the infrared light and knowing about black holes and exploring other planets, like, there's a lot of potential that's amazing and inspiring of like, all these people working together to such a precise degree that we've had this, like international success. So that's like, on the one hand, but on the other hand, I feel like it's also really easy to get caught up in the story and want to follow it so closely, because there's so much at stake because if it fails, right, that's also a pretty major, like, we're either going to see human achievement, you know, at its pinnacle, or we're going to watch $10 billion, just flushed down the drain. And either way, it's kind of on spiraling. But the other thing I wanted to share, which is again, me stealing something that Adam actually learned recently, I don't know where you learn this, so you can share that. But apparently, like the Collaborate, like everyone knows the collaboration of the telescope team, like it was a, you know, a lot of people involved. But one of the people who contributed to the design of the telescope was an origami artist who worked with scientist to come up with the the design and the folding, you know, technique of the telescope to get it to fit inside of the rocket, so that it could be compact enough, and go far enough. And then only once it was outside of the rocket unfold the way that it did in, you know, with all its like, single point failure, possibilities that it overcame. But it was an origami artist who, like inspired scientists, by just like looking at how, you know, you fold up paper origami. And I just think that's so cool. And what a what an interesting what an inspiring testament to interdisciplinary work, which is why I think Adam was talking about this to chat, but for those of us in academia, who are all about interdisciplinary Ness. This is a perfect example because it's the humanities, the the artists, working together with the scientists to make something beautiful, functional, and you know, hopefully not disastrous, but something amazing. Rachael Jackson  28:37 It did unfold that I have to say, awesome, and I'm going to add that if anyone actually does origami, you can download the origami Webb telescope itself. Like they created the Webb telescope origami pattern. That's awesome. So just want to add that. Did they really? Yes. Would you like the links, John? Ian Binns  29:00 Yes, I do. Because John loves to do origami stuff. Yeah, I think I need that thing. Rachael Jackson  29:08 It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. Ian Binns  29:15 Alright, Adam, what are you gonna do to bring us down? Adam Pryor  29:18 I thought Zack, I wanted to talk about Rachael Jackson  29:20 clam also Zack, are you gonna talk about other NASA thing? Ian Binns  29:24 I mean, I thought why more NASA stuff. Zack Jackson  29:26 I feel like I feel like several people are are hinting something to me and I'm not getting most of them. I know, my fun fact about clams was just that the water supply of Warsaw Poland is controlled by eight clams. What? Yo, yeah, no, it's true. They are the people. Okay. The people in charge of the Water Department found that clams were better at detecting pollution than any of their their artificial sensors. So they took eight clams. And they are in a tank, that the water comes from the treatment plant and it goes into the tank before it goes out to the people. And on top of the clams, they have basically hot glue to spring and put that in front of a sensor. So when the water gets too polluted, the clams close. And then the thing at the end of the spring touches the sensor and it's it turns off the water to Warsaw. And when the water is clean, they open back up again and the water turns on. And those clams are replaced every three months. And then they're put back in the pond. And they're given their March so that they don't get used again. And they have to go through a period of training in order to be to make sure that their senses are that's what I want to know Ian Binns  30:50 is the trainer. Eight clan Zack Jackson  30:53 clan Waterson Yeah. Yeah. Adam Pryor  30:57 I mean, essentially worse. I made clam thermostats. That's really what happened here. Zack Jackson  31:01 Yeah. And they work that they call it like there's a fancy word for bio monitoring. Huh? Adam Pryor  31:10 Yeah, that's just an easy way to say clam thermos. Zack Jackson  31:13 Yeah. I mean, it's a canary in the coal mine. But, but it controls the whole water supply. Adam Pryor  31:17 Yeah. Do they have like, like, does it can it like, Shut partway off? Like, you know, for clams today, we're close to your own rescue Zack Jackson  31:25 boil wars, like Minority Report. Right? Adam Pryor  31:29 But not when the clams are in the tank. Zack Jackson  31:31 Right? Don't do that. Don't do that. Adam Pryor  31:36 Because then train more. Zack Jackson  31:39 So what do you got? Adam? Adam Pryor  31:40 I want to make sure I understood the Zack Jackson  31:45 so this would be this would be like, textbook vintage, Adam, for you to come on and be like, Look, I got your question, but I did not. Well, and I would like to restate this in a way. Adam Pryor  31:56 Nine times out of 10. That's true. But so I'm supposed to come up with a story that has been inspiring to know how I learned Kendra Holt-Moore  32:06 just recently Zack Jackson  32:08 learned anything Adam Pryor  32:10 interesting. Just finding anything interesting or fun that I learned? Zack Jackson  32:14 Or inspirational or tragic? Or like or, or or? Okay. Well, I mean, the Sixers just got James Harden. You could we could talk about that. I talked Adam Pryor  32:27 about that. No, um, well, I guess. Zack Jackson  32:36 Are you looking around the room for inspiration? Kendra Holt-Moore  32:39 Do you mean something to you to talk about? No, Adam Pryor  32:42 no, I'm thinking like, cuz I I'm trying to say what to choose. Like. I mean, I could choose any number of depressing items. But that feels a little on the nose. Because a lot of what I've been learning is about the Kansas legislature right now. And that Oh, terrible. I don't think anyone should be subjected to that. Although I'm pretty sure it should be disbanded because they're useless. Coal coal. I've been Reading a lot about gerrymandering, but that also feels pretty, pretty dark. Even for me, that feels kind of dark, especially which state are living in Kansas is trying to put Lawrence inside the big first. If you don't know what the big first is, it's all of Western Kansas. And let me just say Lawrence is not in western Kansas. Right. So it makes this big U shaped come down and get Lawrence and put them into the big first. It's not political way. Yeah, these are the things I'm Reading about. Yeah, no, no, um, oh, wait, no, I have a heavy one. Hold on. Wait. Well, I mean, it's not happy. You happy, happy, happiest everything? I think it's happy. Um, hang on, man. I'm pulling it out to a low bar. So I was Reading this morning. This made me legitimately happy this morning. So I'm, in the times, there was this piece by Rabbi Lauren Holtz Blatt from Agoudas Israel congregation in Washington, DC. And she was writing about the whole debacle. Hmm. Feels like the correct term. Rachael Jackson  34:28 The misses with Whoopi Goldberg one, okay. Adam Pryor  34:31 Oh, yes. Yeah, right. Um, and, you know, if you're not aware of like, you know, Google it, you can find that, um, I was a little depressed the number of people who didn't know that that occurred, and I'm like, that says something about, you know, how Zack might haunt people. But what she wrote about in her piece, which I thought was really, really beautiful, and I'm going to do butcher the pronunciation and then you correct Rachel. So she wrote about tshuva should I get my accent right? Oh, yes. And as a process of Reading, renouncing, confessing reconciling and making amends right. And then she talks about to Shiva Shalimar complete Yep. Right this idea of complete to Shiva right where like, when you come into the same situation you act differently, right as knowing that this is like actually come to its peace. And then she makes this nice reference to tikun olam at the end of the article that like unless you're Jewish, you probably don't catch. I thought it was really brilliant. But I what, what I found, like, deeply hopeful about this idea is how generous a way of responding to that situation. That is, and that doesn't happen anymore. No one is that generous with other people today. And I kinda like that. At heart, I think there's something really beautiful about being able to write in the face of all horrible racism, that this is the kind of response we should be offering to one another. And it makes me more patient, generally, not specifically towards them. But generally, I like the idea of it. And what was the article? It's her opinion piece she wrote. It's called in the Jewish tradition, the words we choose matter. I just thought it was. It was really beautifully. I mean, it's beautifully written, like a whole wholesale, but I just the fact that that was how she decided to wrap this up and suggest people might engage. What has been a really, in some ways, underreported, in my opinion, and also poorly reported. Event. Is, is, I think, really helpful. Rachael Jackson  37:27 That's lovely. And I appreciate that you, you also brought it up. Yeah, it's definitely one of those things. Right? In Judaism, there is definitely that idea of if we believe that each person has the ability to mess up, and then fix their mess ups. How much more? How much more can we really ask of a person? And should we not then treat each other with that ability? So it's, I mean, she's she's farmer, erudite and Better Spoken than I also she's, she was writing instead of speaking, so she had the gift of editing. But no, it's really, it's wonderful. Right. And I think one of the challenges that we have, especially as Jews as like, Well, that was under reported. What about mouse? And what about, right, the synagogue shooting and in Texas, like, or hostage holding, not shooting, right? Like, how many of these things do we really want to be like, Hey, you didn't say that enough. So I like that there's this positive that you that Adam, you picked up this like, really good way of looking at this story. Thanks. Also to really great story. Adam Pryor  38:43 Yeah. Off to read that. There, I did something hopeful. Rachael Jackson  38:48 You shared 100 episode, you're like doing something different. Adam Pryor  38:55 I gotta flip things around. Zack Jackson  38:58 Keep it fresh. Just take us another three years to get through another positive. Adam Pryor  39:02 I mean, seems highly likely. Zack Jackson  39:06 Maybe the birth of your fourth child will springs there and into your life. Just, Adam Pryor  39:10 I mean, I probably won't be there. Let's just be real. 75% That's not Yeah. Ian Binns  39:21 If you're a professional athlete, maybe you make a lot of money. Adam Pryor  39:27 That's correct. C is for degree. So you tell your students. Yeah, I get degrees. They're struggling in my class. And they're like, 68. I'm like, Hey, you only got to get a degree. Well, sometimes I say that to majors, too. Not too many recently. Just a while. There. There were a couple. Ian Binns  39:54 I think the thing I want to talk about is I always appreciate The excitement around seen people on athletes at the Olympics. You know, there's always the, there's always issues with, you know how the Olympics are chosen. And you know, I'm not dismissing any of that what I like to see and I love to have the Olympics on is to just see their excitement that they have while they're doing something that they've spent an incredibly long time preparing for, right? And then even the the, like, good sportsmanship they tend to have for the most part, I mean, there's always issues but just how much they still celebrate each other because they realize that they're seeing something great. Like, it's really I just, it's very inspiring for me to see that to see people who are able to do some of these things that after they've done an event, you're just like, I don't understand how that just happened. Like how did that person just do that? You know, tricks, when you especially right now is skiing, you know, the aerials that they do, and stuff like that freestyle skiing, or whatever it's called. But even watching, like the level of excitement that occurs with cross country skiing, and biathlon, I'm not allowed to watch that. That's fun, curly, curly. It's fun, because they'll do things and everyone just be like, how did that just happen? Yeah, man. It's just it's so amazing to me that they're that far from the end. And they're able to like thread it between two of the rocks to hit this exact spot that they need to hit. It's just really cool. So that's kind of what's been going on in our house lately. Zack Jackson  41:32 And watch what was impossible, just like a decade ago, right? Someone would land like, like when Tony Hawk hit the like the 900. Right? Or whatever it was back in don't 20 years ago. That was that was mind blowing X Games explode. That and because there's nothing now it's like, oh, we figured it out. And now we can do it. We've progressed. Humans are amazing. Yeah. Rachael Jackson  41:54 What we asked him to do is really impressive. Ian Binns  41:58 Yeah, it's very, it's very interesting just to kind of watch these athletes who, as I said, that have dedicated their lives to perfecting what it is that they do. But to build on the Olympic theme, how about this? I was the first I now don't remember her name. But it was the first woman figure skater to land a quad. The Quad jump Kendra Holt-Moore  42:24 in the donation. Adam Pryor  42:26 Players that say you mean the dough for Oh, no. Ian Binns  42:28 Was she a doper? Yep. Did she test positive for doping? Yep. Oh. Does she really Rachael Jackson  42:39 do with extra hormones? Yeah, I mean, Adam Pryor  42:44 well, that's, I gotta say, right? Like, as you are seeing all this, I can't stop myself now. Now. We're gonna go for it right like Hopi and they like each other in this kind of thing. And I'm like, Yeah, you know what I see the instrumentalisation of 15 year olds by countries for profit. Ian Binns  43:00 See, this is the reason why I just get rid of that part. Kendra Holt-Moore  43:05 And I appreciate it because it parties. I love watching the clips. I watched the snowboarders yesterday and was like, Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm not, I'll never do anything remotely close to that. But it does. It makes you feel like you know, just before before Adam just ruins it. I just want to affirm your love of watching Olympic athletes. Rachael Jackson  43:28 Well, I'm I'm going to like switch teams here a little bit. And I'm totally with Adam. I can't stand Kendra Holt-Moore  43:37 I mean, you're you're not saying I just want it took them a while to think of something to share. have let them have this. Ian Binns  43:47 I'm not at all just dismissing the fact that you know, these that people are taking advantage of or anything like that. What I'm saying is that when you do see an athlete, excel at something that's exciting from even like, the NFL, right? Rachael Jackson  44:00 We'll never refuse. 100% Refuse to watch the NFL. It's just gladiators in the 20th century, and it's abusive in so many different ways and racist in unbelievable magnitudes. I watch the football. Ian Binns  44:15 A couple years ago, there was a marathoner who broke the two hour barrier. Are you gonna rain on that parade too? For me? Are we gonna be okay with that? Well, being Adam Pryor  44:23 surrounded by a whole team of people, was that really a good way to run a marathon fastest your hours? Ian Binns  44:31 It just could happen. Zack Jackson  44:34 The marathon is my favorite. Because like to home without why? Because the guy ran 26 miles from Marathon to Athens fell dead. And then we were like, We're gonna flex on this guy. And now we do it all the time. And we're just like, hey, one guy died doing this. Let's do it. And like, the net Great. That's Got it. Also, fun fact, the president of the Olympics for life for all time is King Herod the Great. Did you know that Ian Binns  45:13 I did not. The Olympics Zack Jackson  45:14 had fallen under disrepair. There was no money for it. They did. They barely happened. And Herod was travelling through the Greek area in 12 BC. Yeah, he was there in 12 BC. And he went, and he was like, Wow, this sucks. And he's like, here, if I give you tons of talents, are you going to be able to make this great? And they were like, Yeah, and he's like, then go zoos. Here you go, here's a ton of money. And they revitalize the Olympics. And it became a big thing again, and he was named president of the Olympics for life in perpetuity. And so his statue was there. And he is for all eternity. The president of the Olympics. I mean, it does make a lot of sense. I know Christians love to hate the guy, but Rachael Jackson  45:59 it does make a lot of sense, right? Like, he's this is how messed up the Olympics are. Right? He's the guy that decides to kill his whole family. So it Adam Pryor  46:10 I think they should start leading the Parade of Nations with a sketch. point home. Zack Jackson  46:16 I mean, do it. You know, one time Cleopatra came to visit, and she was like, showing them up. And he was like, he went to his guy. And he's like, can we kill her right now? And he's like, You can't kill Cleopatra. And he's like, but she's here. We can kill her now. Right? And they're like, You can't kill Cleopatra. And he almost did it. Because he's nuts. Right, but he loved the Olympics. Yeah. Rachael Jackson  46:39 It could have just been the metaphor. We ran on. Ian Binns  46:41 We're gonna go watch the Olympics. Fun. Let's go watch the bath one because I'm certain on the next lap, they're gonna all turn the rifles on each other. Like Adam and Rachel want Adam Pryor  47:06 to take solace in the fact that you got Rachel and I think that's the takeaway. Ian Binns  47:12 Oh, that person's head fell off when they land. There. Oh, no, that guy's a racist. Rachael Jackson  47:20 You know, it's just trauma. It's when I see the skiers. I can't see this gear. So no. Oh, yeah, I broke my body. I broke my brain. Oh, I totally, totally broke my brain Zack Jackson  47:31 that was in a previous episode. Everything. Ian Binns  47:34 We'll talk more about, like, you know, running not doing no, they cheat too. So no, javelin maybe someone hasn't been pierced lately. Kendra Holt-Moore  47:45 Well, setting aside just like the terribleness of human nature. Yeah, I, I wanted to also add, um, so like, I haven't really watched the Olympics flick very carefully. This year. I usually don't, I usually just like watch clips of things. So the stuff that I've seen is like ice skating clips, and like snowboarder clips. But I've been I was just thinking, the last couple of days about Simone Biles, and just the whole phenomenon of the twisties. Because a lot of the stuff that I'm looking at for like the snowboarders and ice skaters, you know, it's like a lot of tricks, a lot of jumping, and flipping and all of that. And I just, it is really amazing, especially knowing my own very limited abilities. It's like not an athlete person, but who has worked so hard to have, like very basic snowboarding skills, that it's, it feels so good when you can get to a point where your body just does. And that's kind of what you have to do to like, do it. Well, it's like the whole problem of the twisties. And like, when you start to think about what you are trying to do athletically, it messes with you and so it's just really interesting, like giving in to just your body. And I it's it's really like a very meditative experience and you have to be skilled, of course, but it's just such a such an interesting part of living in a body when we are so easily like distracted in our heads. So to separate those experiences, Ian Binns  49:19 you bring it up smoking balls, you know, the last Olympics, the Summer Olympics watching, especially being that your daughter Ellie is a gymnast, right? It's an even recently talking about you know, and so, I've always been impressed and admired have always admired Simone Biles, I think you know her what she embraced her struggles with her own. Her mental health journey I thought made her even more impressive. But when you talk again about someone who's become like an expert at what it is they do, like the things that she can do, is just mind boggling to me like what she is capable of as an athlete. Just her athletic ability, right? But even talking with Ellie Avella explaining to me that we talked about, you know, the other day that Ellie had a competition last week and met. Mary Lou Retton. Right, honey, who did le meet last week, Mary Lou Retton. Yeah, so she met Mary Lou retina at a competition last week. And it was really cool to hear about it. And I was kind of saying like, Oh be, you know, someone else get a 10 good Simone get a 10. And her response was, is that she her strength and power is so great, that the skills that she does that gets her such high scores would not wouldn't make it I think, very challenging forever to get a perfect score. Because you know, the way the score is done, that level is very different than the standard level, but that her power that Simone Biles has is just that much better than most anyone else in the world. That that's why be challenging for her become to get a perfect score because she challenges herself to that level. Does that make sense? Like she could land thing if she did Rachael Jackson  50:59 what other competitors did or if she did what other competitors did, she would get a perfect score, but because she pushes herself to make it harder. Ian Binns  51:07 And that's what raises like her ability to get even higher scores those because they realize that we have to change the scoring because of the tricks and the things that she's able to do the skills that she's able to do me that we have that scoring has changed, Miss fascinate, right. Zack Jackson  51:23 They had to outlaw some moves that she did, because no one else could do it. Ian Binns  51:28 They call it the Biles. I mean, she's got several moves on several different apparatus apparatus that are named after her, which is also on the land it Kendra Holt-Moore  51:37 just let her do it and let her just went all the time. Because yeah, pretty cool. Ian Binns  51:41 Right? Thank you, Kendra for bringing that one up. Because now I feel better again. Rachael Jackson  51:46 And I don't want to I don't want to poopoo the athletes themselves. They're doing amazing things, just the institutions they're in. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So just just to clarify, I don't mean to make any athletes upset. I think that what they're doing is truly incredible. Because I Ian Binns  52:01 would love to get Simone on here. Zack Jackson  52:05 Yeah, yeah. And if any Olympic athletes or regular listeners of the podcast I'd love to have you on to have you on Jake's, especially if you're in the by athalon would love to learn more about how that Aikido? Yes, that's one of my absolute favorite and Ian Binns  52:17 ensures my favorite winter sport to watch is potentially bad. Yeah. Or I Rachael Jackson  52:22 love calm you go. I'm your heart rate slow enough after doing this incredible thing that you can shoot steady. Ian Binns  52:30 That's impressive. So I'm Rachael Jackson  52:33 so American. Zack Jackson  52:34 They're like, yeah, here's a cool sport. How can we make it better? aren't that good at it? Yeah. What we're not good at a gun sport. And Ian Binns  52:43 we're not nearly as good as the countries, then the Canadians think they beat us every time Zack Jackson  52:50 unacceptable. So we're nearing the end here, buddy. And we're nearing the end here. And I love I want to, there we go. I want to say thank you to all of you, all the four of you. And thank you to myself as well. Because you all are incredible. And it has been a minute since we've had all of us here. And it has felt so good. Just to be here. For this time. I want to thank everyone at home or in the car or in the gym or wherever it is that you're listening. Now, those of you who have listened to all 100 episodes, and those of you who this might be your first You are wonderful people as well. I would invite you to check out the down the wormhole conversations group on facebook and join us there. We've got some. It's really fun to be able to talk with folks on there. And yeah, you can check us out on Patreon as well if you'd like to support the show. Does anybody have any closing stories or thoughts or fun facts you want to share before we call it a day? Rachael Jackson  53:52 I think Zack you should share the story of the person that works at NASA. It's a quick little Zack Jackson  54:00 it is a quick little story NASA has let me let me pull up the Kendra Holt-Moore  54:08 while Zack is looking that up, I'd encourage everyone to go look up whales, bubble netting to catch their fish. Because that's, 54:18 that's amazing. Zack Jackson  54:20 I'd also encourage people to look up the story of how Pepsi briefly in the 80s became the sixth largest military in the world. Ian Binns  54:29 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Zack Jackson  54:31 That's a fun story as well, right? Rachael Jackson  54:33 That's homework, Pepsi military in the 80s. Zack Jackson  54:39 Basically, and here we go. In the 50s. They were trying to make peace between the Soviet Union and America. And so Eisenhower put together this American National Exhibition in Moscow, and he sent Nixon over there and Nixon is not a nice person. And so Nixon and Khrushchev are talking and then they start fighting about capitalism and communism. And so the CEO of Pepsi sees them fighting and steps in there. And he's like, Here you go. And it gives Khrushchev, a Pepsi, and he drinks it and he goes, damn, or whatever the equivalent Russian is, this is amazing. We have to have this. The problem was there was all of these, you know, trade issues. And not everyone accepted Soviet currency. And so Pepsi didn't want to do this transaction. So they signed a deal in which the Soviet Union would purchase Pepsi with vodka. And that was their agreement for like, 30 years. So then in the late 80s, the agreement was expiring. And Pepsi was like, we don't want to get paid in vodka anymore, what else you got? And they were like, well, you still don't want to take our money. So here's what we have. And Pepsi in exchange for $3 billion dollars worth of Pepsi products, gave the Pepsi corporation 17 submarines, a cruiser a frigate and a destroyer. Which then for that amount of time made them the sixth largest military in the world. Pepsi then flipped all of that to a Swedish scrap recycling company and made back the money. But for that period of time, Pepsi was the sixth largest military in the world. So that's my fun Pepsi fact. But anyway, every single thing that goes up into space that goes up into a habitable space, so anything that goes up into the, into the space station or in a in a ship that has humans in it has to pass the sniff test, literally, from a man called George Aldrich is the chief sniffer of NASA. And anything that goes up there has to be smelled by him. And then he has to approve it or not, because they they need somebody with a very sensitive nose to smell if like, is this going to be awful to be locked in a room with this? So if you want to get something sent to space, it's got to be sniffed by nostril Damas. So if that column Adam Pryor  57:03 I hope they quarantined him for a long time, so I didn't get COVID Zack Jackson  57:06 right how awful would that Kendra Holt-Moore  57:08 would that's a client he Rachael Jackson  57:09 needs to have insurance on his You had one Adam Pryor  57:11 job. I seems like you could train clamps to do this. Zack Jackson  57:19 I don't know if you know how smell works. But Ian Binns  57:23 I just looked that up, you know, nostril Damas because I saw that you put in my chat, Rachel. And I saw I typed that into Google and now that now that does come up as the second story. Second thing don't click on the first one with the Urban Dictionary and Rachael Jackson  57:43 you're not that is not this is not safe for work portion. Do not don't talk about that. Click Ian Binns  57:50 on that link. It is definitely NSFW. Not Safe For Work if you don't know. Rachael Jackson  57:56 Yeah, and that's dw.com like Ian Binns  58:00 Well, the thing is, is that I started looking at it. While right before Zacks are talking, I thought myself Adam Pryor  58:07 Where the heck is this story? 58:09 Like they have nothing to do with each other. Like oh my gosh, this is so funny. Ian Binns  58:14 Kendra, are you looking it up right now? Rachael Jackson  58:17 No, don't don't Zack Jackson  58:19 just dear listener, don't don't worry about urban dictionary and teenagers putting crazy in there that they have nobody's gonna want to look at this. Don't worry about it. Instead, you can search for George Ulrich Aldrich, NASA employee g4. Rachael Jackson  58:37 If you're that, you know you can go back and listen to the rest of our other podcasts either for the first time or another time. Zack Jackson  58:45 Literally 99 other episodes you can listen to. Rachael Jackson  58:48 Did exactly do not go to Urban Dictionary go to D TW. Zack Jackson  58:52 Hey go that's a great closer, Greg sign off

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Daria Davydenko is a Securities Sales and Operations Specialist at Roofstock where she supports Roofstock's fractional ownership product, Roofstock One. Prior to that, Daria served as Vice President at Goldman Sachs. Her background in finance provides her with a unique view of financial markets and risk management.   In this episode, she provides us with an update on the state of the single-family rental market. We dive into the data and learn about this sector's performance since the financial crisis of 2008-09. Additionally, we cover Roofstock's exciting new investment, Roofstock One, a fractional ownership option for accredited investors. --- Before we jump into the episode, here's a quick disclaimer about our content. The Remote Real Estate Investor podcast is for informational purposes only, and is not intended as investment advice. The views, opinions and strategies of both the hosts and the guests are their own and should not be considered as guidance from Roofstock. Make sure to always run your own numbers, make your own independent decisions and seek investment advice from licensed professionals.   Michael: Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the real estate investor. I'm Michael Albaum and today I'm joined by Daria Davydenko, who leads sales and operations for Roofstock One, she's gonna be talking to us about the state of the single family rental market as a whole, as well as what Roofstock one as an offering is. So let's get into it   Daria, thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to come hang with me.   Daria: Thank you for having me, Mike. It's always a pleasure to chat and especially about single family rental space, we are so passionate about it. And always, you know, good to talk about the space.   Michael: Absolutely now. I'm thrilled to talk about it. I'm thrilled to have you on and so obviously, you and I know who each other are, we go way, way, way back. But I was wondering if you could share with our listeners a little bit about who you are, what is it that you're doing at Roofstock? And what are we going to be talking about today?   Daria: Yeah, absolutely. So my name is Daria, Davydenko, I am part of the Roofstock One team. Prior to restock, I was in Goldman Sachs, Vice President of Goldman Sachs and I decided to switch and join an exciting and growing company like Roofstock. And I am even more excited to talk about the Roofstock One, which is a new product that we have just launched a couple weeks ago. And I can't wait to tell you more about it.   Michael: Awesome. So I would love if you could talk to us a little bit about how Roofstock One got it started and why does it exist?   Daria: Yeah, so we actually it was a very interesting story. Our co founder, he was on a phone with one of the investors and Roofstock is a marketplace where we sell single family rental space to potential investors. And so we got on the phone with one of the investors and we were just curious, like, hey, you know, what can we do differently to, you know, maybe, maybe improve something on our website, so you can purchase, you know, some single family rental homes for yourself and grow your portfolio. And it was very interesting, because investor came and say, you know, I feel like that the minimum is really high, because you will literally need to commit 100,000 $200,000 Just to get like a one single family rental home. And I'm not very, you know, I have never done this before. So I'm a little bit nervous about it.   And so we kind of got off the phone. And I think, you know, that kind of started the whole idea of, you know, after talking to the investor about fractional shares of homes ownership, so we were kind of the first company out there who started that, and Roofstock. One is the result of our intensive research in this space, how to make this work, how to make the single family rental, fractional ownership work, and how to make the single family rental space, more accessible, like so we are really looking to democratize a space and make it available to investors who have never done it, who are looking to add single family rental space to their portfolio. But maybe they don't want to be involved on day to day basis. So that's kind of where the Roofstock One comes in and helps to fill that gap.   Michael: Awesome. Awesome. What an interesting backstory. So anyone who's listened to the podcast for long enough might be saying, Michael, you're a multifamily guy, I talk about it regularly. What are you doing with a single family home company? So I'm curious to know, for all of our listeners are, are interested in investing in rental real estate, some might be leaning towards multifamily, because I've indoctrinated them over the years. Why? And can you give us some background into the single family space over the last decade or so?   Daria: Absolutely. And I'm very excited to share some information because 2021 has been an exciting year for single family rental space in general. And I think just kind of seeing some of the numbers. You know, I feel like it's on everybody's ears. Like Everybody Hurts single family rental space has been very much on mind of every investor out there. But I feel like once you kind of get it into your mind, and you actually see the numbers, it just puts everything into perspective in terms of exactly how much is it growing and how much opportunity is there.   So before I go into the details, I just want to kind of throw it out there that you know, please remember that past performance may not be indicative of future results and different types of investments involve varying degrees of risk and there can be no assurance that future performance, you know, we'll be profitable. And you should not assume that any discussion or information we provide in this podcast serves as as a personalized investment advice. And, you know, we just want to make sure that all our listeners consult their own accounting legal, you know, tax advisers to evaluate the risks and consequences and suitability of you know, of any investments for their personal needs. Without reliance on, you know, what can I guess we are providing here, this is more for information only.   Michael: Perfect, perfect. Well, thanks for sharing that.   Daria: So putting that aside, let's dive in. So I think, I think it's very important to just kind of start from the beginning that, you know, after the financial crisis, I think the, the home prices kind of went down. And I think that's where some of the large institutional investors kind of realized that, you know, the home prices are, you know, really low at the moment, and it could be a good place to kind of start jumping in, one of the things that was not available is cheap, cheap debt. So, and it was really hard for, I guess, single family rental spaces. So, you know, it could be like this homes could be in different regions or in different states. And it's really hard operationally.   So I think that it's been a very good run for the industry, starting from the, I guess, the financial crisis up until now, where, you know, thanks to the technology, thanks to companies like Roofstock, who allow that, yes, for some technology to solve some of those issues that I guess many are facing with having to manage single family rental homes. By being in a different state, so technology kind of makes it more visible more real time, you know, now maybe you can take pictures of you know, your home's when turns are going through and kind of see all this results in real time. So thanks to the technology, like I think that that's kind of attribute it to the in this huge growth in single family rental space. And you know, the investment that goes in here.   So if you look, historically, I think from 2006, to 2018, the number of detached single family rentals in the US grew by 30.1%. So to nearly 14 point 7 million, that's according to the Urban Institute, and that's a significant amount. And then I think if you take into consideration all the different types of single family rentals, and that includes a one to four unit, that's actually a 23 million single family homes market in the US today, and only around 2%, are owned by large institutional investors. And that's according to the National rental home Council. That's kind of the data they have done some research and they have measured out, you know, out of all the single family rental homes in the US how much is actually owned by large institution investors, and it's actually very little.   Surprisingly, single family rental homes have performed really well during the COVID. So some investors would come in and say, Well, you know, in COVID times, you know, because the stock market went down, and you know, there's a lot of uncertainty. So how were the occupancy rates in single family rental space, and surprisingly enough, but actually, in COVID, the occupancy rate stayed really high was like high 90%. I think there could be two reasons for it, and one is know large, you know, families now need more space, given that everyone is, you know, you and me are working from home at the moment. And you know, given that some people have kids and, you know, other family members as well. So there is kind of just now a need for more space.   So people are moving out actually have larger homes, or larger cities, I'm sorry, in Apartments Living in smaller apartments into like, maybe somewhere in the suburbs, but living in the larger home where you can have, you know, your family lived there and have enough space to do, you know, your work from home, take phone calls, etc. And in addition to that, I think that, again, to the uncertainty that's providing by the current situation, some people are not really, really ready to purchase a home and say, you know, this is exactly where I want to be for the next 10 years in my life. So a lot of people actually opt out to rent single family rental homes. So that's kind of some of the contributions why, you know, we see that occupancy rate actually have been in the high 90s.   Michael: And Daria, a question for you. And, you know, there's kind of two ways that occupancy as measured what is physical occupancies? Are there physically people in the home, and then there's economic occupancy? So are there people in the home that are actually paying rent? And during COVID, we saw that there was an eviction moratorium and So we've heard story horror stories of tenants not paying rent for months on end. Do we know if this high 90s figure is for physical occupancy? Or is that for economic occupancy?   Daria: So this is for the economic occupancy. But I also do know that even though there was a moratorium, we still have seen the collection rates in the high 90s as well.   Michael: Okay, so for anybody out there that said, Oh, everybody stopped paying rent, and it was just living for free. It might not have been the reality case. All right, cool. Well, I mean, yeah, that's those are great indicators.   Daria: Yeah, that's kind of the data that is out there in the market, about the single family rental space. And I think that's another reason why we have seen such a huge inflow of institutional investors into single family rental investments of all kinds, you know, some are investing in built to rent space, because they believe that that's going to solve some of the issues that we are currently facing, which is, you know, right now, I think we have 5.5 million homes, short, where, you know, we should be in the US, and which is actually contributing to, you know, there's a shortage of housing, obviously, and that kind of contributes to the home prices, appreciation that we have seen, especially in this year, I think it was, like, on average, you could have seen your home price grow, you know, 10% this year alone, which I think, you know, we probably have seen in some other years, but it has never been this much. And one of the reasons is because there is a shortage of homes, millennial, millennials are keep on, you know, having families now, you know,   Michael: Those dang millennials, love having kids   Daria: Now have, you know, larger families, they need more space. So everyone, you know, need kind of a home for themselves. And I think that we just don't have enough homes in the country right now. And I think that there is a, you know, lumber shortage, you know, that attributes to kind of the slowing contribution of like a newer homes building, then there is like this workforce shortage. So there's a lot of different kind of contributions that all add together to the shortage of homes in the country. And that also contributes to home price appreciation is going higher.   And of course, it hasn't been unnoticed. And so we have seen a lot of kind of institutional investors start like announcing, you know, different funds, especially for single family rental space. So they are out there looking for, you know, getting into the space and owning a rental home, given the occupancy rates are so high collection rates are so high home prices are going up. And, you know, given where we are at right now, there is kind of no sign of slowing down in this market. Yeah. So, you know, there is kind of this opportunity. And given that there is only 2% owned by large institutional investors, there is just a Mearns kind of potential growth in the space, and it's really just adding by all the syndicators.   Michael: That's incredible. So one thing I just want to kind of come back to, at the beginning of this have this kind of data outlay, you were saying that over from 2006-2018, the number of single family rentals grew by 30.1%, to like 14 point 7 million or something like   Daria: Yeah,   Michael: But and then you said, we're still five and a half million short of where we need to be?   Daria: Yeah, very still short. And this is according to a report that was done by Rosen Consulting Group, they have done a report that as of June 2021, they just basically compare it against the population grows, the number of new families being formed in the country, versus like the number of homes available, you know, for people to occupy. And it's just, there's a shortage.   Michael: Holy smokes.   Daria: Yeah.   Michael: All right. Well, I know we came here today to talk about Roofstock One.   Daria: Yeah,   Michael: We're gonna get there in just a minute. But all of this to say you just mentioned that you don't you don't see the data suggesting that this is going to be slowing down any anytime soon. So what I want you to do is break out your crystal ball. We've done this on the show before with other guests. And I want you to tell me in our listeners, do you think we are due for another 2008 housing crash? If so, why or why not?   Daria: I don't like to do crystal balls. But again, the data that I have at the tips of my hands that we constantly analyze, especially at Roofstock we constantly look at single family rental space at the market that different economic things, you know, anything that kind of might influence the space? And I think traditionally, you know, like any other real estate asset class single family rentals have a relatively low correlation to stock market. And you probably have seen With this new variant of COVID, the stock market, you know, went down pretty significantly, a lot of people started panicking. So you see all this kind of fluctuation and stock market, but you know, comparatively to that single family rental spaces, you know, kind of more stable, I guess, by the nature of this particular asset class, but it can help to diversify your investment portfolio, you know that you have one portion of your portfolio sit in the stock market that fluctuates here and there. But then another one that's a bit more stable just kind of keeps on providing you some rental income that keeps and keeps on appreciating and values.   In terms of the, I guess, another kind of thing that was recently on everybody's mind is inflation. And I'm sure you've heard about it, it's all over the news. But, again, what traditionally have been, you know, people think of real estate in traditional sense that it's also considered to be a good inflation hedge. And one of the reasons is that during the inflationary period, when all the you know, prices are rising, the real real estate asset class has an opportunity to adjust and in some cases, outpace inflation through the rent growth. And then there is another aspect of the real real estate investment is that this home price appreciation, it almost acts like an equity kicker.   So you've got your, you know, rent growth, that kind of helps you outpace inflation, and then you have this home price appreciation that kind of increases your equity. I mean, I think it's I just current kind of more like a trend in traditional sense how single family rental space has helped, you know, investors to diversify and hedge against inflation. But it also kind of just given some of the data that we have seen during the COVID. And kind of just even around, like, recent years, I feel like we are like in a better space now that given that there is a lot more control over the banks, and how much, you know, they have to keep in their reserves for you know, cash reserves, and kind of there is a lot more stringent regulations, when you are getting a mortgage on your home, like there's just so much more that goes into it, I was getting a home, like mortgage for my house, and it's just the amount of, you know, scrutiny that goes into there. Like the amount of analysis that's been performed, I just feel like it's completely at a different level where it used to be back in, you know, when the financial crisis happened.   So, of course, you know, I think that there's, it's really hard to say, you know, never say never right, but I feel like that all this kind of indicators that we are seeing, you know, we are not really seeing that this kind of current environment is going to slow down. And given that we do have such a huge amount of shortage in, in homes, and the population continues to grow. You know, people need space to live in.   And I also want to kind of just tell you that there was a study that was actually conducted by John John Byrne's real estate consulting, NRHC, who they have created something that's a single family rental market index. And it's basic, basically like a quarterly survey that gorgeous industry, Hell's by measuring some factors such as median rent, lease and activity occupancy. So what they found is that this kind of market index rose to 90.3 out of 100 in the first quarter of 2021, from you know, 62.5 out 100 From a year earlier. So we just kind of continue to see that, I guess, probably, you know, some of the things there's COVID there's just people kind of looking for more space, in your families looking for places to live in, and shortage of homes, like all contributing to people need to, they want to go into single family rentals, they want to find a place to live and they want some space where they can live as their family and you know, traditionally maybe people who couldn't afford to purchase a home maybe they were people who had some maybe some issue is their credit history. Maybe they were just kind of traveling for work, you know, the work due to their work, they had to go from place to place and that's kind of the reason why they chose to rent.   In this kind of environment. We are seeing that actually people who traditionally might have bought a home now they chose choose to rent because maybe they want to, you know, try out different areas different state and see if that particular lifestyle, you know, works for them.   Michael: Rent a van perhaps.   Daria: Yes, exactly. And so like we are just seeing a different type of people who choose to rent versus buy homes and those people usually have a much different I guess like different reasons for choosing to rent versus buying a home and some of it is contributed to COVID some of it is their work and Some of it is just like lifestyle changes, you know, California is notoriously expensive, and lots of people are looking for a new place to live. But now they're not sure which beach state might be suitable for them. So they, you know, they try to live in one place than another one than some other state until they maybe they find a place that they truly feel comfortable living in.   And maybe, you know, they've got a great school system, kind of you name it all this kind of different considerations before they actually put like a large amount of money on their house and say, Yes, this is where I'm going to stay for the rest of my life. And I want to buy this really expensive home and pay a mortgage on it. So.   Michael: Good to know. And you heard it here, first, folks that story his take on where the economy is going. No, that's, that's great. That's great. I want to shift gears here a little bit, and really get into the meat of what we came here to talk about. And that's Roofstock. One as an offering. And so can you talk to our listeners about what Roofstock one actually is, and how they might be able to utilize it to their benefit?   Daria: Yeah, so Roofstock One is an innovative real estate investment platform that gives investors an easy and cost effective way to add single family rental asset class to their portfolio, I do want to mention that at the moment, this particular product is only available to accredited investors. One of the reasons is, you know, due to the regulations, we are only allowed to admit like accredited investors into the program. But we are actively looking to find new ways to make this available to a larger public.   Michael: Okay, and for those who maybe aren't familiar, what is an accredited investor,   Daria: So there are four ways you can become an accredited investor or, you know, if you're an accredited investor, one is if you are making $200,000 per year, and you are making $200,000 In the past two years, and you are set to make $200,000 This year, as well, you are considered to be an accredited investor. You If you and your spouse together make over $300,000 this year and in the past two years, then you're also considered to be an accredited investor. Maybe you're you also will be accredited if you have a $1 million of net worth. And that could, you know, you could include in there, your 401k, IRA accounts, any your bank accounts, investment portfolio, anything that's outside of your primary residence, can count toward your net worth.   And in order for us to accredit someone, you know, we usually will just require either like you could provide us a letter from your CPA and your CPA or investment advisor could issue just a very simple letter that says, you know, I'm a CPA of this particular person, and I confirm that that he is or she is accredited. And that's all we need to, you know, can accept you into the program. Some people, they do kind of provide us with their W2 information or tax returns or just bank statements just to kind of qualify, you know, based on their net worth or income.   So, we do kind of work with different types of documents, but if you know anyone has any questions, we are always happy to answer and help to figure out what would be the easiest way for you to get your accreditation verification results.   So, as we have discussed earlier, you have seen that this this year, and I think in the past few years, you have seen a large inflow of institutional investors into the space given that they have seen how well single family rental rentals have performed during COVID We want to make this available to individual investors out there as well. So Roofstock One is designed precisely for that. So now, you know you as an investor is able to create your own strategy is Roofstock One, you know, without having to put a lot of money into this asset class. So we are as a program, you can come in with $5,000 and you can purchase, we call this kind of common stock and tracking stock and tracking stock kind of income and stock combined. They all kind of allow you to create your own strategy. So it's It depends if you want to be kind of exposed to all of the homes inside the Roofstock One or you prefer some certain strategies, maybe you like certain regions or type of homes, you can come into the website and you can customize to whatever fits your own needs and kind of strategy and create your own customized portfolio that will be completely managed by Roofstock One.   So we take care of all of the day to day. Communication with property managers tenants, pay for taxes, pay for insurance, HOA and You as an investor, just enjoy the kind of distributions on quarterly basis from the rental income, and potentially also have some appreciation of your homes in the future.   Michael: Interesting. So I'm going to paraphrase back to you and explain how I understood that and then you can help correct me if I get off the rails here. Okay.   Daria: Yeah.   MIchael: Okay, so Roofstock One is a privately held REITs, basically, like a real estate investment trust. And within the REIT, I can, if I'm an accredited investor, I can bring $5,000 And I have my choice of tracking stocks or common stocks. And the tracking stocks are specific to maybe a region or to a group of properties. And the common stock is all of the properties that restock one owns. And I can decide how much money of that $5,000 minimum investment goes into tracking stocks or versus common stocks. And I don't have to do anything after that. I mean, you restock one just manages all those properties. For me, I'm not calling the property manager telling them, Hey, we got to screen this tenant better. We got to coordinate this repair, Roofstock. does that for me? Is that right?   Daria: Yes, precisely, you got it absolutely correct. I think the beauty of that we haven't seen I guess other platforms do the same. The same offering out there for other users is that you can come in and visit the same, I guess product you can design and customize your own strategy pick and choose. And one of the kind of interesting things that we came up is that our tracking stock, it is a security offering that returns these returns that reflect the economics of the fully managed single family rental properties. So usually, tracking stock is comprised of a you can think of it as like a mini portfolio, it usually consists of eight to 10 Different single family rental homes, that are pre assembled based on their attributes, like regional, like you have mentioned, investments, right your home type. And once those kind of homes are assembled in the inside the tracking stock, we will not be switching them from that tracking stock. So they will stay there as is.   An investor can, you know, we, we try to provide as much information as any investor would need to make their investment decision. So we provide the address of every home, you can go online and search and take a look at the pictures of those homes or we provide you know, information about how much was you know the cost of those home and how much we had to put in to renovate it to make it available for rent. And we also allow investors to play around with some of the assumptions that we have put in to really understand how we came up as the we do provide some target financial information about how if you were to invest into this particular set of tracking stock, and then this particular set of homes inside the tracking stock, you know, how it could potentially how much you know, yield, you could potentially receive or what could be an IRR after five years of you kind of holding this investment.   And of course, some of the assumptions that we have used are actually so we have done an analysis of every single home inside this tracking stock on zip level. And we kind of we looked at the past information and measured Okay, on average how much the home price appreciation went up for this particular zip code or homes in this particular zip code. And then that's how we kind of measured in the past five years, on average, how much was the home price growth in this zip code. And then in the past 10 years, what the what was the home price growth. And that's kind of how we came up with some target IRR information for investors.   But given the tremendous run in 2021, some investors could come in and say, I think you guys are too conservative. I think that this you know this amazing cycle that very soon in single family rental space will continue in the next five years. And I think on average, just like what we have seen today, maybe the you know, home price appreciation will go up 8% 10% Like you name it. So we do allow investors to play around with those assumptions. And, you know, see how that will impact their potential investment outcome from from you know, this particular Roofstock, one investment.   Michael: Interesting. So I can take my $5,000 I can pick a tracking stock, I can change the performance, and I could change the assumptions of the performance and then see what my return looks like for that particular set of homes and inside that tracking stock.   Daria: That's precisely that. Yeah, we allow you to play around with kind of all the important information like you can change. I think the gross yield on this tracking stock, you can play around with rent gross, you can play around his home price appreciation numbers. You can also play around to his expense ratio. Maybe you feel that given the vintage of the homes in this particular tracking stock. Maybe you believe it will cost more to maintain this home. So maybe you can factor that in.   But we are trying to make this investment transparent. Give all the tools that investor would need in traditionally to do maybe research. If they were to acquire this, this particular set of homes on their own, you know, we believe that there will be a lot of research that goes inside that kind of decision making process, but we kind of try to break it down into simple terms and try to give all the tools to investors. So you know, analyze it, and then make an informative decision. And I think that by buying a single share of tracking stock or common stock investors, I get an instant diversification. So just with one share of a tracking stock, you get exposure to all of those homes inside that tracking stock.   Michael: That makes total sense. So I'm curious start, aside from the requirement of being an accredited investor, who would be a really good candidate for Roofstock One? Who does this make sense for?   Daria: Yeah, so I think asides the accredited investor, right now, we are only allowed to sell this particular product to people who reside in the US, we do hope to again, make this available to anyone who might be residing in other countries in Europe or Canada, but we are not there yet. So at the moment, it's only for US residents. And also, if you enjoy like a landlord experience, you really like the day to day aspects of managing single family rental portfolio, Roofstock One is truly designed to be a passive investment for, you know, for you. So you truly can just put in your $5,000. And, you know, kind of you can anytime log in into the dashboard and see what's your overall portfolio allocation is how much diversification you are getting. You can see what's what was your distributions here today, this quarter, to kind of get enough information for you to know how you're doing. But you know, you wouldn't be able to interact with the property managers, because that's all done behind the scenes by us.   So that's truly is. I feel like it's a very innovative platform, because we are trying to kind of give you that diversity diversification that every investor is looking for, I think, because it will, one of the another reasons we kind of created this as a mini portfolios and said the tracking stocks is that it can help you to reduce your risk of exposure to like a single family rental home that you you know, you might have, if you only have just one home. So if there is a turn on that home, you know, your your rental income might be affected. But if you are getting this instant exposure to eight to 10 different homes, you know, even if one of the homes currently has a turn, you know, you're still getting, you're still getting exposure to to the rest of the homes and rental income from the rest of the home. So hopefully that kind of solves for that issue for the investor.   Michael: So Daria, I'm curious to know too about like, what the time horizon of the investment is, is this something if I'm an accredited investor, and I want to be passive, but I want to day trade my shares is, I mean, is that something that I can do as part of Roofstock one?   Daria: Yeah, so given that it's a private REIT offering right now, we, the Ask investors to come in with five years in mind for investment horizon, we do have some limited, limited redemption program for investors who have some emergency situation, they really need to redeem the funds from the investment. But in general, it's very limited. And I think we are looking to create a secondary market trading platform in the future for this program. At the moment, we don't have a just yet. So that's why we can guarantee that anyone who come in, you know, began to have that platform in the future. But we do want, you know, to let investors know that we do have it in our roadmap. So we do want to make it available in the future. But we don't know just how quickly it will become available.   So in general, five years in mind, and there is an additional, I guess, aspect of five years, right, like usually takes one to two years for you to stabilize your rental home. And then I think it usually takes around five years for you to see decent amount of home price appreciation, appreciation. So kind of it seems like a really good timeline to keep your investment in the program, especially in asset class, like single family rental space. Of course, anyone could argue that, you know, if we are to have the same homerun as we had in 2021 in 2020 to 23 and up to 25, then no, some investors might want to withdraw their funds earlier. But you know, you could argue, you know, who knows what's going to happen in the next five years, it could slow down or it could keep its pace. But in general, I think five years seems like a good time to keep your investment in Singapore. From the rental space,   Michael: Okay, and then so what happens at the end of the five year period? If we look at a particular tracking stock, let's say, is Roofstock going to sell those homes? Are they going to refinance those homes and then pay off the investors that want out? What's the mechanics look like?   Daria: Yeah, I think, in any case, the investors will receive their liquidity at the end of the five years, we do have some investors who have reached out and they have mentioned, they want to continue to hold their investment. So I think once this five year, time horizon kind of happens, and depending on what's the situation in the, you know, in the market, you know, most might, some investors might want to continue to keep it because it's just been such a tremendous run for them. But for those who do, or seek liquidity will definitely kind of provide them that liquidity and redeem their investment, meaning that they'll get their, you know, whatever the principle that they have initially put into the program, and they could potentially also get that home price appreciation. If you know, the the market continues to be the way it is.   Michael: Okay. Awesome. Well, Daria, this has been so much fun, super informative. Anything else investors should know about the program?   Daria: Yeah, I think the one of the kind of most frequently asked questions we receive is kind of what is the difference between common and tracking stock. And I think you can think of common stock as that kind of overall exposure to rate. And then tracking stock is that you can, of course, this is not legal terms, but you can slice and dice REIT and only get exposure to certain parts of the REIT or certain regions or certain type of homes. So that's what tracking stock is, you know, common stock is really good, because it offers investors a broad based diversification opportunity, among all of the properties and Roofstock One, so it's really makes it fun, anyone can find something that they're looking for when they come to Roofstock One website and really build their own strategy and focus high level on kind of where they want to be in where's that next growth opportunity will be at and kind of focus on building that out. And we are going to continue to release some new tracking stocks on our website so investors can have fun and, you know, kind of check out maybe some new markets become released or new type of properties and see if you know, they can add to their portfolio if they wish so or they can wait for maybe another opportunity that will come along.   Michael: Okay. And if people want to learn more about risk one, invest in the platform, have additional questions. What's the best way for them to either get a hold of you or your team? Or learn more about it?   Daria: Yeah, they can always email us at one@roofstock.com   Michael: And we do they spell one or the number.   Daria: It's o n e @roofstock.com. And we will be happy to assist that or even just chit chat about single family rental space. We love it. We follow it and we are always available to talk about it   Michael: Awesome and does Roofstock One have its own website as well.   Daria: Yes, it's www.roofstock.com/one. And for anyone who would like to check out our website, and you know, register and see, you know what investment opportunities we provide.   Michael: Awesome. Well, there again, this has been great. Thank you so much for coming on and nerding out with me and sharing with all of our listeners what Roofstock One is, really appreciate you.   Daria: It's a pleasure. Thank you so much, Michael, thank you for having me. And thank you for the listeners who joined us today.   Michael: Awesome. Take care, we'll talk to you soon. Bye.   Daria: Thank you so much for listening and tuning and tuning in with us today. We just want to provide you a reminder before we leave is that Roofstock One Inc is not registered as a broker dealer, investment advisor, investment manager under the US Securities Act. Roofstock ones offering are made in reliance on the exemptions from the registration requirements. Right now you can look at the private placement memorandum on our website and we do advise that every investor read through the private memorandum carefully to understand all of the risks that are involved with investing into the this particular program. You should not rely on any past performance or forward looking statements when evaluating an investment opportunity. And we always recommend that our investors consult with their own accountants, legal financial advisors, or just evaluate all the risks, consequences and suitability of any investment for your particular needs. And with that, thank you so much for listening, and we look forward to see you into the program.   Okay, everyone that was our episode. A big thank you to Daria for coming out and sharing with us a ton of knowledge and really, really excited to see what Roofstock One as an offering does from here. As always, if you liked the episode, feel free to leave us a rating or review. They are really helpful for us wherever it is, Listen, your podcasts and as always, we look forward to seeing you on the next one and Happy investing        

Tanya Ha is part of the team from Science in Public Tonight we discussed: COVID: We got vaxxed! And strained, Alpha to Omicron! International travel slowed down, but billionaires (and a Star Trek star) went to space! COP this! Climate change got even more serious Weird story of the year: some spiders have arachnophobia See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 124: What I learned going through COVID We are BACK and I am excited to be back in the podcasting seat with you. New episodes all month long. In today's episode I share with you about taking the time to heal and recover from COVID. I share the hardships in losing my Aunt during this time, how I set aside my grief to give my body the physical space it needed to heal. You will learn about the spiritual warfare and shedding that took place. I also encourage you during today's episode to be where your feet are, something I learned recently from my own mentor.   Work with me 1:1 - book a discovery call today Also, did you know there are THREE ways you can connect with me outside of the show? #1 - Over on my fave social media platform - Instagram @katrinaalelli    #2 - My FREE Facebook group, “Be Rooted Sisterhood” is for women who listen to the show, are looking for a community to grow, uplevel and are passionate about fulfilling their souls purpose.   #3 - Questions, comments, topic or show suggestions? Email me over at katrina@katrinalelli.co    **Be sure to Subscribe to the show to get updates on new episodes and head on over to ITunes and leave me a 5star review for your chance to win a breakthrough session with me**

September 29th - Show 878 The Chat Love is in the air as Lee discovers a strange side effect of catching Covid We also wonder if you still test positive for 90 days after getting better from Covid (Lee was told this but I don't believe it) [...]

On CorkToday with Patricia Messinger --- How pharmacies are dealing with the demand for vaccines as they now administer the fight against Covid We discuss Downsizing and leaving your home to move to a smaller unit We hear about Car Meetups which are causing disturbance for some communities and destroying road networks according to safety campaign groups We hear about Civic Pride in DunmanwayOur Regular Counsellor Joe Heffernan on the building blocks of confidence See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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Neal Karston of Big.Life, a ministry that's all about raising up disciples who make disciples joins the team.  The bad news is that the American Church is in decline.  But the good news is that there is a way forward to see viral movements of the gospel in America, in our generation!  First, we talk about why there is this decline.  Then, Neal shares how Jesus saved him from try harder Christianity.  Next, the way we do church is not really working, it's why Neal resigned from being a traditional pastor.    Then two thirds of 18–29-year-olds who grew up in the church have left.  Why?  And how can we reach them?  Next,  what happened to the church during Covid:  We weren't fully prepared.  Then, the way forward, viral movements of the gospel.  Finally, what true discipleship looks like and how it's the hope for the American church.  Get trained to be a disciple who makes disciples.  Your first step:  Big.Life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Delta (Indian) COVID variant is running loose in Missouri. Hospital admissions are on the rise - do we ride it out or hide from it - again? Whistleblowers from inside the CDC claim that 50,000 people have died from the experimental injectable - can we believe that? Who knows what to believe at this stage. Biden claims if you want to take on the federal government you need "F-15's and Nukes" - pretty sure you just made an argument FOR the 2nd amendment, sir. Also, my back hurts. Mentioned in podcast: Unvaccinated Missourians fuel COVID: ‘We will be the canary' Almost A Third Of British People Dying With COVID-19 ‘Delta' Variant Are Fully Vaccinated Videos demonstrate Democrats' intolerance of dissent Mark my words: Juneteenth will replace July 4th Report: 61% of U.S. counties now 2nd Amendment sanctuaries Behind the vaccine veil: Doctor cites ‘whistleblowers' inside CDC who claim injections have already killed 50,000 Americans Researchers find ‘tree inequity' for people of color, poor neighborhoods Biden Says Americans Need F-15s And Nukes To Take On Federal Government Intermission music: Untitled Song Thing by PYC Music | https://soundcloud.com/pycmusic Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported (CC BY-ND 3.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/

We're back! (I thought I had Covid) We talk about Fallout 4, the (delayed to us return of My Hero Academia Season 5, and Fire Force 

Revenue Management – The Podcast Timeless Principles To Scale A Business That Hotels Can Use To Rebound 2X founder & CEO Austin Netzley: Highlights from This Episode Lily and Austin explore the following questions and tips The ITA, or Ideal Target Audience The Irresistible Offer Rebounding from COVID “We want to really simplify things, get the business owners free from the weeds, and then start to take the company to the next level.” Welcome to Hospitality Highlights! In this 24th episode of the ThinkUp Podcast, host Lily Mockerman talks with Austin Netzley about proven principles and strategies that help 6 and 7 figure business owners scale. Lily: One of the things that many hoteliers have struggled with over the years has been defining their target market. You're looking to attract group business; you're looking to really provide a great corporate travel experience. You want to be that romantic getaway, and also family friendly. Austin: Most businesses go too broad. We're afraid to go narrow because we think that we're turning business away. But by going specific, we get much more clear on what we need to do from a marketing standpoint. Lily: As someone who has experienced hospitality as a traveler, have you ever seen a great irresistible offer used in travel or hospitality? Austin: Brian Chesky, the founder of Airbnb, wants the Airbnb hosts to think about and write down what a 10- star experience looks like. For an irresistible offer, think about what makes a 10 star experience. Then working backwards from there, detail how to go above and beyond to make the client's experience go through the roof. Lily: You have worked with businesses that have really taken a major hit from COVID. What business tactics have worked best for those businesses to rebound? Austin: Being real with the moment. Know your ITA in more detail. If you know them, then you know what news they're watching or what their concerns are in relation to cleanliness and other things. Then you can take those proper measures and beat them to the punch before they become concerned. Austin's advice for the future Businesses that are planning for the future are going to be the ones that get ahead. We've worked with a lot of people that have gotten hit, most have rebounded really nicely by doing exactly what we've talked about so far, which is updating and refocusing their business model, or doing different marketing initiatives and communicating in a very human manner. Just give value and connect with your audience. For questions or more information: Website: 2x.co The 7-Figure Playbook: 2X.co/7fpb FREE Audiobook: From 6 To 7 Figures: 2X.co/freeaudio Read more articles on Hospitality Revenue Management on our ThinkUp Thought Leadership page. Join us live on This Week in Hospitality Live Show, which you can register for at hospitalitydigitalmarketing.com/live. For questions on this episode or any other revenue management related topics, you can send them to us at info@thinkupenterprises.com. 

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Our guest Amy McGee has changed her business focus many times over the years. Hear how she decided when to try something new and how she did so successfully. Change is difficult and scary. When you are presented with a business opportunity or something is pushing you to transition to something new, how do you know if it's right for you? What if you make the wrong decision? What if you fail? These are questions that go through every small business owner's mind at some point. Recently at our Paper X Talk lecture, we discussed how deciding to do something new, like changing your prices, is such a personal decision. There are so many factors to weigh. We're excited to continue that conversation about pricing on November 14 (buy your tickets here), but we wanted to have a deeper discussion about change and transitions in general. That's why we invited Amy McGee of Botanical Brouhaha to chat with us on our latest episode of Paper Talk. You've probably encountered her amazing blog about fresh flowers and heard her voice on her podcast. If not, you should check it out right away. We've found so much inspiration for our paper flowers from her work. Amy has a wealth of knowledge when it comes to this topic of change. She started out growing cut flowers as a hobby while working as a dental hygienist. But then, opportunities in the floral world began to present themselves. She had to make decisions about what she wanted in life. Her floral business transitioned or did something new multiple times over the years, and with each change, she stayed grounded and successful by always keeping a connection with what truly inspired her to stay in business. Amy put it this way: “There was such a connection for me with nature when I started growing those flowers, and just kind of getting into this industry. That's what was leading me, was that connection to nature. And then it kind of grew into this connection with other people, because you all know, flower people, gardeners, farmers, they're some of the kindest people in the world.” You can hear more about her journey and how she made her decisions by listening to the podcast. Here's what you'll learn from our conversation: How to know it's time to change Where to find the courage to try something new when you're afraid Why surrounding yourself with innovative, positive people is so important How Amy has given back and strengthened her community through collaborative workshops, and how she's pivoting during Covid We loved learning more about what Amy is doing to provide virtual help to florists now that her regular in-person workshops can't continue. Her new project, Bloom Trust Co., will launch in mid-November and connect florists to the resources and knowledge that they need to be successful. We can't wait to check it out. We feel very similar with our work here at Paper Talk and our mission to share, connect, and grow the paper flower industry in any way that we can. Listen now to hear all about navigating transitions, Amy's new venture, and more.

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