Podcast appearances and mentions of Mary Lou

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad, Haley, and Mary Lou are recording just hours before UFC Freedom 250 kicks off on the White House lawn. It's also Trump's 80th birthday, making him the oldest president in American history.

A new campaign begins! Referee Joe O'Brien brings Ross Bryant, Mary Lou, Jared Logan, and Skid Maher to the table to begin their first ever long-form campaign of Free League's Twilight: 2000 Fourth Edition. Deep in enemy territory, four survivors search for answers in an alternate-history Eastern Europe ravaged by nuclear attacks. Get BONUS CONTENT every week at ⁠http://jointhenaish.com⁠, including the Mission Debrief, our exclusive We Shouldn't Be Alive companion where we discuss and break down the latest episode, plus ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more. Watch the video here: https://youtu.be/ckr-lHGT2rU Come see us LIVE in a city near you at https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this midweek episode Chad and Mary Lou play clips for one another from the opposite sides of the political spectrum highlighting Trump's new gold coin, Trump falling asleep at the NBA finals and fan reactions to his face on the Jumbotron.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Haley is back to join Chad and Mary Lou in the 15th week of Trump's illegal war with Iran. We discuss:

AI, Spiritual Deception & Learning to Ask God the Right Questions | KIB 533 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Description Are we asking God the wrong questions in this generation? In Episode 533 of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake examine the growing spiritual deception surrounding AI, data centers, propaganda, counterfeit spirituality, and the coming pressures of Mystery Babylon. This powerful briefing challenges believers to move beyond shallow Christianity and learn how to seek the Kingdom of God with discernment, covenant faithfulness, and spiritual maturity. Dr. Lake explores how believers have often been trained to pursue comfort, prosperity, and escape rather than asking God how to walk in Kingdom purpose, holiness, discernment, and spiritual authority in the last days. Mary Lou shares urgent insights regarding spiritual warfare, mind control technologies, AI systems, occult influences, and the need for believers to trust fully in God's protection and covenant promises. This episode is a wake-up call for the Remnant: • Learn to discern truth in an age of deception • Understand the spiritual dangers behind counterfeit systems • Discover the power of asking God the right questions • Learn how the Holy Spirit develops true Kingdom maturity • Be encouraged that God's power has not diminished The days ahead will require discernment, covenant fidelity, spiritual endurance, and unwavering trust in the Most High God. "Teach me what to ask, Lord." ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Bob is still on the mend and Haley is galavanting so  Chad and Mary Lou wade into conversations about:

In this midweek episode, Chad shows Mary Lou some clips that lay out Trump's corrupt attempts to steal taxpayer money for himself. And they watch and react to the clip of RFK getting bit by snakes.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

Monica and Mike are joined by amazing comedian Mary Lou Gamba!

The Covenant Necessity of Judgment in Scripture | KIB 532 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing   Description What does the Bible REALLY teach about judgment? In Episode 531 of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake explore a critical truth that much of the modern Church avoids: judgment is not separate from covenant — it is part of covenant. From Genesis to Revelation, Scripture reveals that God's judgments are not contradictions of His love, but manifestations of His covenant faithfulness, holiness, and justice. Dr. Lake takes a deep theological dive into the covenantal necessity of judgment, exposing how modern Christianity has embraced blessing without accountability, grace without holiness, and power without purification. Mary Lou shares a powerful word on God as our Sustainer — the One who preserves, nourishes, strengthens, and carries His remnant through every trial. Together, they discuss spiritual warfare, covenant fidelity, holiness, discernment, the coming purification of the Church, and the urgent need for the remnant to prepare for the days ahead. This is a sobering but hope-filled message for believers seeking truth, discernment, and covenant alignment with the Kingdom of God. In this episode: • The covenantal nature of divine judgment • Why grace does NOT remove accountability • How covenant and judgment work together in Scripture • The role of holiness in the last days • Why judgment begins in the house of God • The purification of the remnant • Spiritual warfare and covenant fidelity • The danger of counterfeit Christianity • God's sustaining power in difficult seasons • Revelation, Babylon, and covenant lawsuit theology • Why purification must precede power The remnant is being prepared. Now is the time to walk in truth, holiness, discernment, and covenant obedience.

Do you love historical fiction? I have to admit to being a sucker for a different time and place – and both are on offer in Mary-Lou Stephens’ latest novel, The Hobart Hotel. In this episode, Mary-Lou discusses her unique approach to research and the challenges of writing about Uruguay in the 1940s, as well as why she loves writing historical fiction so much. 00:00 Welcome06:03 Writers in the Wild10:08 Writing tip: Find balance in your creative life13:15 WIN!: The Secret Lives of Murderers’ Wives by Elizabeth Arnott15:07 Word of the week: ’Patalous’15:45 Writer in residence: Mary-Lou Stephens17:19 Describing The Hobart Hotel19:16 Inspiration and research20:57 The dual timeline process22:36 Capturing the Uruguay wartime vibe27:24 Why Historical Fiction?30:32 Mary-Lou’s ‘slow travel’ writing life34:40 Writing while traveling37:17 Memoir and meditation43:10 What’s next?44:58 Promoting her books46:07 Final thoughts Read the show notes Connect with Valerie and listeners in the podcast community on Facebook Visit WritersCentre.com.au | ValerieKhoo.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad, Haley, and Mary Lou discuss the biggest political topics of the week while Bob continues to recover.We discuss:

Progress of a sort on the Occupied Territories Bill after mistreatment of Irish flotilla activists, Taoiseach and Mary Lou exchanges in the Dáil, RTÉ pay blues and in the bye-elections voters finally get to choose.

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Bob is still out dealing with some medical issues so Mary Lou, Chad and Haley hold down the fort and discuss:

A group of strangers brought together by a clandestine organization known as Quiet Horizon investigate reports of endangered species sightings that have halted construction of a pipeline in Texas brush country. Watch the video here: https://youtu.be/aNWfup1xTCI Cast: Sydney Amanuel, Matthew Capodicasa, Rob Kerkovich, Mary Lou, Skid Maher, Joe O'Brien, and Troy Lavallee Come see us LIVE in a city near you at ⁠⁠https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour⁠⁠ Dallas, TX | 5/13/2026 St. Paul, MN | 5/14/2026 Indianapolis, IN | 7/30/2026 Indianapolis, IN | 7/31/2026 New Orleans, LA | 9/2/2026 Atlanta, GA | 9/3/2026 Madison, WI | 10/15/2026 Philadelphia, PA | 12/4/2026 Philadelphia, PA | 12/5/2026 Access ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jointhenaish.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this in-person midweek episode, Chad shows Mary Lou several clips of Donald Trump mistreating women journalists in the past year and Mary Lou inches ever closer to leaving the Maga cult.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

The Coming Strong Delusion | KIB 530 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Description: In Episode 530 of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake tackle one of the most sobering prophetic warnings in Scripture: the coming "strong delusion" spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2.   Dr. Lake provides a deep theological and Greek word study analysis of 2 Thessalonians 2:9–12, revealing how the Antichrist system will operate through counterfeit spirituality, false signs and wonders, technocratic deception, and a global rebellion against the truth of God's Word. The discussion connects Genesis 3, Genesis 6, Nimrod, Mystery Babylon, transhumanism, Freemasonry, UFO phenomena, AI, and the coming Beast System into one prophetic framework.   Mary Lou shares urgent insights regarding spiritual warfare, the Queen of Heaven system, Masonic symbolism, covenant prayer, and the importance of magnifying the Lord in the midst of increasing fear and deception. Together, they warn that modern Christianity's obsession with emotionalism, entertainment, and signs without discernment has prepared many for end-time deception.   This powerful briefing calls believers back to: Covenant fidelity Biblical discernment The fear of the Lord Obedience to God's commandments Submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ   As the world races toward the final global system described in Revelation, now is the time to stand firm in truth and refuse the lie.   Prepare yourselves for Spirit-filled teaching. Timeline of Topics Discussed 00:00 – Opening remarks and KIB introduction 01:57 – Reports of mysterious government meetings and the floating eight-pointed star 02:32 – Queen of Heaven symbolism and spiritual implications 03:00 – Prayer for Arizona heat, Hantavirus concerns, and national events 03:45 – May 17 National Day of Prayer and rededicating America to God 05:00 – "Magnify the Lord" and overcoming fear in the last days 06:30 – UFO manifestations, demonic activity, and spiritual authority in Christ 08:00 – Masonic symbolism connected to the Statue of Liberty and master numbers 10:00 – Introduction to 2 Thessalonians 2 and the Strong Delusion 11:30 – Satanic counterfeit spirituality and the rise of the Antichrist system 13:00 – Pharaoh, Egypt, and biblical patterns of judicial hardening 16:00 – Genesis 3, Genesis 6, Nimrod, and the final rebellion 17:00 – Transhumanism, genetic modification, and pseudo-immortality 20:00 – Covenant obedience and resisting Babylonian culture 21:00 – The Antichrist as a counterfeit messiah 23:00 – Islam, false eschatology, and counterfeit Jesus narratives 26:00 – Techno-sorcery, AI, and supernatural deception 29:00 – False signs and wonders in the last days 31:00 – Entertainment Christianity, and emotional manipulation 34:00 – Why manifestations do NOT validate truth 36:00 – Moses, Pharaoh's magicians, and counterfeit miracles 38:00 – Freemasonry, generational attacks, and healing testimony 42:00 – UFO mythology, Watchers, and global deception systems 45:00 – Rejecting Torah and the danger of antinomianism 48:00 – The "strong delusion" and "the lie" in the Greek text 50:00 – Nimrod, Nebuchadnezzar, and humanity becoming "gods" 55:00 – Characteristics of the final Beast System 57:00 – Why modern churches are vulnerable to deception 59:00 – Discernment, holiness, and the fear of the Lord 1:01:00 – Jesus as Yahweh revealed in the flesh 1:06:00 – Mary Lou's prophetic dream regarding the Beast System 1:08:00 – Standing faithful to Christ in the last days 1:10:00 – Joshua's challenge: "As for me and my house…" 1:11:00 – Prayers for restoration, awakening, and end-time harvest SEO Hashtags: #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing #DrMichaelLake #StrongDelusion #Antichrist #MysteryBabylon #EndTimes #BibleProphecy #SpiritualWarfare #QueenOfHeaven #FalseSignsAndWonders #Freemasonry #Transhumanism #UFODeception #BiblicalTruth #LastDays #Revelation #2Thessalonians #BiblicalLifeTV #Watchers #BeastSystem

This week on The Necessary Conversation, we celebrate Mother's Day with a an update on Bob.And we cover the biggest political issues of the week, which have Mary Lou getting even closer to leaving the Maga cult.

Mary Lou and Chad have a conversation about Bob's current health issues and how difficult it's been for Mary Lou to navigate the healthcare system under Trump.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

A group of strangers brought together by a clandestine organization known as Quiet Horizon must escort a federal official on a private flight from New York to Washington, D.C. Watch the video here: https://youtu.be/z5zoY2LgtGM Cast: Sydney Amanual, Ross Bryant, Matthew Capodicasa, Mary Lou, Skid Maher, Joe O'Brien, and Troy Lavallee Come see us LIVE in a city near you at https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour Dallas, TX | 5/13/2026 St. Paul, MN | 5/14/2026 Indianapolis, IN | 7/30/2026 Indianapolis, IN | 7/31/2026 New Orleans, LA | 9/2/2026 Atlanta, GA | 9/3/2026 Madison, WI | 10/15/2026 Philadelphia, PA | 12/4/2026 Philadelphia, PA | 12/5/2026 When you purchase a new Pocket Hose Ballistic, you'll get a free 360-degree rotating pocket pivot and a free thumb drive nozzle. Just text "GCN" to 64000. Access ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jointhenaish.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Tim and Maggie talk about s1e15: “Scary Sherry: Bianca's Toast,” where they delve into Juliet's iconic undercover turn as “Mary Lou,” behind-the-scenes moments, fan questions, and why this episode is an all-time Psych favorite. This episode is sponsored by: OSEA - Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code PINEAPPLE at OSEAMalibu.com. Shopify - Go to shopify.com/pineapple and sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today. Wayfair - Head to wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Quince - Go to ⁠⁠quince.com/psych⁠⁠ for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Actress, singer, songwriter, drag queen, and activist Peppermint joins Mary Lou, Haley and Chad for a discussion about Transgender rights in Trump's second administration.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad and Haley are joined by Mary Lou but Bob is sitting this one out while he deals with some health issue.

In this midweek episode Chad and Mary Lou play each other clips about Trump being found guilty of sexual assault in the E Jean Carroll civil case from 2024. Will hearing Trump's deposition in which he states his beliefs about celebrity being justification for committing sexual assault sway Mary Lou?If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

The Biblical Perspective of Reality: Escaping Babylon's Matrix | KIB 527 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing   Description In Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Episode 527, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake explore the biblical perspective of reality and expose how Mystery Babylon uses distraction, digital dependency, false narratives, and spiritual manipulation to keep believers from walking in true Kingdom freedom. Mary Lou opens with practical encouragement about staying grounded in hope, watching current conditions affecting food supplies, and preparing wisely without fear. Dr. Lake then moves into a powerful teaching on how Scripture reveals that the unseen realm is more real than the visible world, and why believers must learn to discern the difference between the Kingdom of God and Babylon's matrix of control. This episode addresses: The biblical reality of the unseen realm How the enemy seeks to blind minds Why renewing the mind is essential for spiritual warfare The danger of digital addiction and constant distraction How strongholds are formed and how they are destroyed Why believers must unplug from Babylon and reconnect with the Kingdom Hope for healing, restoration, marriage, family, and spiritual clarity in the last days This is a timely and needed word for the remnant. If you have felt spiritually weary, mentally scattered, or overwhelmed by the noise of the world, this briefing will help you re-center on Christ and the reality of His Kingdom. Scriptures referenced include: 2 Corinthians 4:16–18 Hebrews 11:1–3 Colossians 1:15–17 Ephesians 6:10–13 2 Corinthians 10:2–5 Deuteronomy 32:8–9 Colossians 1:13 Partner with us: This program is made possible by the friends and partners of Biblical Life TV. Your prayers and support help us continue equipping the remnant with truth for the days ahead. Donate or learn more at: Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Biblical Life TV store.biblicallifeassembly.org Timeline / Topics Discussed 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Welcome to KIB Episode 527 01:55 Mary Lou on hope, spring, and staying focused on God 03:03 Ticks, illness, and practical awareness in the last days 04:03 Food supply concerns, drought conditions, and wise preparation 08:05 Praying for America without losing hope 09:18 President Trump, Babylon, and praying for God's purposes 16:16 A biblical perspective of reality begins 19:27 2 Corinthians 4: the unseen realm is more real than the visible 23:31 Why many will be deceived by false disclosure narratives 25:20 Ephesians 6 and the reality of spiritual warfare 28:49 Christ created all things visible and invisible 31:08 How the enemy blinds minds and builds strongholds 35:47 Taking thoughts captive and destroying arguments against Christ 39:20 The danger of digital Babylon and mental manipulation 44:07 Deuteronomy 32, national powers, and spiritual authority 47:14 Delivered from the domain of darkness into Christ's Kingdom 50:34 Strongholds, soul wounds, and spiritual healing 55:58 Digital distraction, gaming, dopamine, and Babylon's trap 01:00:53 Analog faith: Bible, notes, journaling, and quiet with God 01:07:47 Real-world living, real relationships, and unplugging from Babylon 01:16:16 The need for spiritual detox and hearing God clearly 01:21:48 Hope for healing in marriage, family, and life 01:27:21 Prayer to unplug from Babylon and hear God's voice SEO Hashtags #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #BiblicalLifeTV, #DrMichaelLake, #MaryLouLake, #MysteryBabylon, #SpiritualWarfare, #EndTimes, #LastDays, #BiblicalWorldview, #RenewYourMind, #DigitalDetox, #Strongholds, #KingdomOfGod, #ChristianDiscernment, #PropheticWarning

In this episode, Mary Lou Dobbs shares her 50 years of expertise in corporate insurance and risk management, offering invaluable insights for real estate investors. From risk mitigation strategies to innovative funding options, discover how to protect and grow your portfolio with expert advice.   Professional Real Estate Investors - How we can help you: Investor Fuel Mastermind:  Learn more about the Investor Fuel Mastermind, including 100% deal financing, massive discounts from vendors and sponsors you're already using, our world class community of over 150 members, and SO much more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/apply   Investor Machine Marketing Partnership:  Are you looking for consistent, high quality lead generation? Investor Machine is America's #1 lead generation service professional investors. Investor Machine provides true 'white glove' support to help you build the perfect marketing plan, then we'll execute it for you…talking and working together on an ongoing basis to help you hit YOUR goals! Learn more here: http://www.investormachine.com   Coaching with Mike Hambright:  Interested in 1 on 1 coaching with Mike Hambright? Mike coaches entrepreneurs looking to level up, build coaching or service based businesses (Mike runs multiple 7 and 8 figure a year businesses), building a coaching program and more. Learn more here: https://investorfuel.com/coachingwithmike   Attend a Vacation/Mastermind Retreat with Mike Hambright: Interested in joining a "mini-mastermind" with Mike and his private clients on an upcoming "Retreat", either at locations like Cabo San Lucas, Napa, Park City ski trip, Yellowstone, or even at Mike's East Texas "Big H Ranch"? Learn more here: http://www.investorfuel.com/retreat   Property Insurance: Join the largest and most investor friendly property insurance provider in 2 minutes. Free to join, and insure all your flips and rentals within minutes! There is NO easier insurance provider on the planet (turn insurance on or off in 1 minute without talking to anyone!), and there's no 15-30% agent mark up through this platform!  Register here: https://myinvestorinsurance.com/   New Real Estate Investors - How we can work together: Investor Fuel Club (Coaching and Deal Partner Community): Looking to kickstart your real estate investing career? Join our one of a kind Coaching Community, Investor Fuel Club, where you'll get trained by some of the best real estate investors in America, and partner with them on deals! You don't need $ for deals…we'll partner with you and hold your hand along the way! Learn More here: http://www.investorfuel.com/club   —--------------------

The dust-yard workers follow the trail of Humbert Lange and the ash-born horror that claimed him. Get 15% off your order of Cthulhu by Gaslight products when you use code "GASCANNON" at ⁠https://www.chaosium.com/⁠ Watch the video here: ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/7lWLbbhH2I0 Cast: Ross Bryant, Rob Kerkovich, Mary Lou, Joe O'Brien, and Troy Lavallee Access ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jointhenaish.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Come see us LIVE in a city near you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this midweek episode Chad and Mary Lou look at the image of Trump as Jesus that he posted this week and then tired to explain away by saying he thought it was an image of himself as a doctor before deleting it. If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

Counterfeit Spirits in the Church and the Remnant's Need for Discernment | KIB 526 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing   Description In Episode 526 of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake address one of the most urgent issues facing the Body of Christ today: counterfeit spirits operating within the Church. As deception increases in the last days, believers must develop biblical discernment, the fear of the Lord, and a deeper dependence on the Holy Spirit. Mary Lou opens the discussion with a sober warning about deception, spiritual warfare, and the need for earnest prayer in a prophetic hour. Dr. Lake then contrasts the ministry of the Holy Spirit with the operation of counterfeit spirits, showing how false spiritual manifestations can produce confusion, pride, sensuality, doctrinal compromise, and instability rather than Christlikeness, holiness, and truth. This episode examines Matthew 24, 1 John 4, Matthew 7, and Isaiah 8, while offering a biblical framework for testing spiritual manifestations, judging fruit, and rejecting deception in an age shaped by sensationalism, false prophecy, AI manipulation, and growing apostasy. Dr. Lake also explores how the Holy Spirit always glorifies Christ, anchors believers in Scripture, produces genuine transformation, and leads the remnant in covenant faithfulness. This is a critical message for believers who want to walk in truth, avoid spiritual seduction, and become part of a holy remnant prepared for the days ahead. Timeline of Topics Discussed 00:00 Biblical Life TV opening 01:29 Welcome to Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Episode 526 01:57 Mary Lou introduces the subject of counterfeit spirits in the Church 03:00 Warning about deception, occult influence, and the condition of the modern Church 06:00 Reflections on current national and geopolitical turmoil and the need for prayer 10:00 The influence of false spiritual frameworks and compromised leadership 14:00 Call to pray for national leaders, protection, and God's intervention 17:00 Prayer focus regarding spiritual warfare, occult agendas, and strategic discernment 20:33 Artemis symbolism, Beltane season, and spiritual implications of cultural patterns 22:00 Route 66, occult symbolism, regional strongholds, and targeted intercession 26:49 Symbolism, pagan echoes in modern culture, and a call for mercy and prayer 29:25 Dr. Lake begins teaching on the infiltration of counterfeit spirits 30:00 Social media, AI deception, sensationalism, and the growing crisis of discernment 31:32 The need to return to the Word of God and the kingdom of Christ 32:30 The role of principalities and powers over nations 34:00 National deception, geopolitical manipulation, and the failure of spiritual advisors 36:17 Matthew 24 and the rise of deception in the last days 37:15 Many coming in Christ's name while leading many astray 38:30 Carnal motives in ministry opening the door to counterfeit spirits 40:00 Emotionalism, spectacle, and the difference between revival and imitation 41:20 Overview of the comparison chart: Holy Spirit vs. counterfeit spirits 42:00 The Holy Spirit glorifies Christ; counterfeit spirits glorify self and experience 43:00 Truth versus mixture, distortion, and partial truth 44:00 The Holy Spirit produces sound doctrine; counterfeit spirits produce doctrines of devils 45:00 The Holy Spirit submits believers to Scripture; counterfeit spirits add to or subtract from Scripture 46:00 Fruit test: holiness, obedience, humility, and love versus confusion, pride, sensuality, and rebellion 47:00 Conviction of sin versus condemnation or denial of sin 48:00 Holiness, crucifying the flesh, and the installment plan of discipleship 49:00 Peace and righteousness versus pressure, fear, and control 50:00 Pride, false spirituality, and distorted ideas of being Spirit-filled 51:00 Spectacle versus reverence in worship 52:00 The dangers of building a ministry on hype and attention 53:00 Mary Lou on ministry boundaries, wounded people, and compassion with discernment 54:00 Unity in truth versus counterfeit unity built around deception 55:00 John Wesley, revival phenomena, and the test of transformed lives 56:35 True spiritual encounters produce a changed trajectory and fruit 57:16 Spirit-filled life defined by transformation of character 58:00 Love, sacrifice, covenant fidelity, and real apostolic fruit 59:00 Spiritual warfare: applying Christ's victory versus distraction from real warfare 01:00:00 Biblical categories of counterfeit spirits: seducing spirits, spirit of error, spirit of bondage, religious spirits 01:01:00 Testing Christology and the confession of Jesus 01:02:00 Matthew 7 and recognizing ministries by their fruit 01:03:00 Isaiah 8 and testing all spiritual influence by Scripture 01:04:00 The prophetic office, true prophetic ministry, and errors in modern prophecy 01:06:42 Discernment about infiltration and grieving over deception in ministries 01:08:17 Reflections on past theological error and the prosperity movement 01:10:00 Personal testimony, brokenness, and compassion for the wounded in the Church 01:13:03 Story of prayer, spiritual breakthrough, and the power of faithful intercession 01:14:43 Encouragement that no believer is hopeless or unimportant in spiritual warfare 01:15:11 The fear of the Lord as the key to discernment 01:15:46 Encouragement for the remnant to keep believing and praying 01:16:52 Covenant faithfulness, Abraham, and the power of one life walking with God 01:18:38 Loving God and remaining faithful to covenant 01:18:54 Closing encouragement to be the real thing in a counterfeit age 01:19:09 Final prayer for the remnant to walk in truth and produce kingdom fruit Hashtags #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #CounterfeitSpirits, #Discernment, #HolySpirit, #SpiritualWarfare, #LastDays, #EndTimes, #MysteryBabylon, #ChurchDeception, #BiblicalDiscernment, #RemnantChurch, #FalseProphets, #SpiritualDeception, #ChristianTeaching, #FearOfTheLord

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad is joined by Mary Lou and Bob but Haley is out this week celebrating her birthday, galavanting around and living it up. Happy birthday, Haley!

By the time Dan Pelzer died last year at the age of 92, he'd accomplished many admirable things. Over the decades, he'd worked as a Marine, a Peace Corp volunteer in Nepal, a seminary student, a passionate campaigner for Jesse Jackson's presidential run in the 80s, a security guard, and as a beloved social worker for incarcerated juvenile delinquents in Columbus, Ohio. Dan was a loving husband to his wife of 52 years, Mary Lou, a hands-on father to their kids Marci and John and his grandchildren, and an engaged member of the community, where he regularly volunteered to feed the hungry. A life well lived by all accounts.But there was something else notable about Dan's life: between the years pf 1962 and 2023, he kept a handwritten record of every book he read, stopping at the very end of that year, a list totaling 3,599 titles of every possible genre, from the pop science classic Rats, Lice and History (1935), to contemporary memoirs by Sinead O'Connor and Jennette McCurdy, and every novel by his beloved John Grisham since A Time to Kill.  On this episode, Dan's daughter Marci reminisces with Erin about reading Gabrielle Zevin's Tomorrow & Tomorrow & Tomorrow with her father, finding the full list after his death, the surprises therein, and what she's learned from strangers about her dad's life since sharing the list with the world. You can see a digital copy here at Dan's exclusive literary destination, the Columbus Metropolitan Library. And the original handwritten list via What-Dan-Read.com.  Get full access to Tell Me About Your Father at tellmeaboutyourfather.substack.com/subscribe

In 1890s London, employees of Lange's Dust-Yard uncover something unsettling in the latest dust-cart delivery. Get 15% off your order of Cthulhu by Gaslight products when you use code "GASCANNON" at https://www.chaosium.com/ Watch the video here: ⁠https://youtu.be/D0NgBmgxNgU Cast: Ross Bryant, Rob Kerkovich, Mary Lou, Joe O'Brien, and Troy Lavallee Access ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jointhenaish.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Come see us LIVE in a city near you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chad and Mary Lou show each other clips related to the Artemis mission, how much money Trump's family has made in the past year, and a roundup of Trump's most offensive clips from the past decade.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

What Is So New about the New Covenant? Indwelling Spirit of God – In and Upon | KIB 525 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing   Description In Episode 525 of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake explore the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer and why a right understanding of the New Covenant is essential for the remnant in these last days. This episode examines the difference between the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the promise of the Spirit in Ezekiel 36 and Jeremiah 31, and how God writes His law upon the heart of the believer through a covenant relationship. Dr. Lake also addresses the dangers of counterfeit spirits, misplaced charismatic emphasis, and the spiritual deception that has infiltrated much of the modern Church. Mary Lou opens with powerful insights connected to the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Jericho, Rahab's covenant, and the need for obedience in a prophetic hour. Together, they discuss spiritual discernment, the transformation of character, the fruit of the Spirit, and the necessity of separating from Babylon's system in order to walk in true kingdom power. This is a timely message for believers seeking authentic Holy Spirit transformation, biblical covenant living, and discernment in an age of deception. Topics covered in this episode: The Feast of Unleavened Bread and Jericho, Rahab and covenant parallels, Achan and the accursed thing, Nephilim strongholds and Mystery Babylon, the Holy Spirit in the New Covenant, being born again and indwelt by the Spirit, Spirit baptism versus Spirit indwelling, counterfeit spirits in the Church, the fruit of the Spirit as evidence of life, sanctification and internalized Torah, spiritual warfare through the Spirit, and Christ being formed in the believer. Timeline of Topics Discussed 00:00 Biblical Life TV opening 01:29 Introduction to KIB Episode 525 01:55 Mary Lou on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Jericho, and expecting God's miraculous intervention 03:20 Rahab, covenant, the scarlet cord, and redemption imagery 04:15 Achan, the accursed thing, and the danger of Babylonian compromise 05:10 Prayer focus on current war, miracles, restoration, and salvation 08:24 Jericho as a Nephilim stronghold and its connection to Mystery Babylon 09:05 The urgent need to distinguish the Holy Spirit from counterfeit spirits 10:48 The New Covenant as a direct relationship with Jesus Christ 12:40 The Holy Spirit as the central operational reality of the New Covenant 14:20 Ezekiel 36 and Jeremiah 31 as foundational promises of the Spirit and internalized Torah 16:00 The new birth, new creation, and transformation from within 17:15 Critique of prosperity theology and outward success metrics 18:31 Mary Lou on peace through separation from Babylon 20:03 Regeneration, the born-again experience, and ontological transformation 22:35 When the Holy Spirit indwells the believer 23:20 John 20 and Jesus breathing on the disciples 25:00 Spirit-led evangelism and divine timing in ministry 27:05 Testimony of hospice ministry and authentic witness 28:10 Parallels between Genesis 2:7 and John 20 30:15 The believer as sacred space and the indwelling Spirit 32:55 Acts 1:8 and the difference between the Spirit within and the Spirit upon 34:00 Old Testament empowerment and craftsmanship anointing 36:30 The meaning of dunamis power 37:30 Elijah and Elisha as a type of Spirit empowerment 38:30 Sanctification as both instantaneous and progressive 40:15 The Holy Spirit illuminating the Word and convicting of sin 41:10 Being led by the Spirit in wisdom, discernment, timing, and restraint 43:05 The Holy Spirit always points to Jesus 44:15 Fruit of the Spirit versus mere behavior modification 46:50 Spiritual warfare through discernment, authority, intercession, and resistance 48:30 Christ being formed in the believer 50:10 True destiny begins with conformity to Christ 52:10 Twelve dimensions of Holy Spirit ministry 53:05 Redefining what it means to be Spirit-filled 54:43 Concerns about overemphasis on tongues 56:00 Wesleyan concerns about emotionalism without fruit 57:25 Counterfeit tongues and false impartations 58:30 Testimony of transformed life as true fruit 59:55 Prayer for discernment, covenant reality, and kingdom manifestation 01:01:16 Mary Lou on Artemis, spiritual symbolism, and hope for national turning 01:02:18 Closing prayer for the remnant to mature and walk in truth 01:03:05 Closing remarks Hashtags #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #HolySpirit, #NewCovenant, #SpiritualWarfare, #MysteryBabylon, #CounterfeitSpirits, #BiblicalDiscernment, #RemnantChurch, #EndTimes, #LastDays, #BornAgain, #SpiritFilled, #FruitOfTheSpirit, #ChristianLiving, #BiblicalTeaching

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad and Haley are back with both parents — Bob and Mary Lou — for another loaded episode.

The Government's gone full wellness mode, with a brand-new sauna (and a very pricey plunge pool) installed at Leinster House — and Gift Grub has the exclusive.Micheál Martin and Simon Harris sweat it out “on behalf of the Irish people”, while Willie, Mary-Lou and Leo Varadkar make steamy guest appearances.

In this midweek episode Chad shows Mary Lou clips of Trump lying on the campaign trail with false promises of staying out of war with Iran.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

Passover, the Blood of Jesus, and God's Protection in Perilous Times | KIB 524 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Description: In this powerful episode of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake shift from their planned teaching to focus on the urgent spiritual realities of this Passover season. As global tensions rise and uncertainty increases, they call the remnant to center their faith on the power of the blood of Jesus, the meaning of Passover, and the believer's need to remain aligned with God's covenant in the days ahead. Mary Lou opens with an exhortation to pray for soldiers, families, and the body of Christ, while also encouraging believers to keep their hope anchored in God's purposes. Dr. Lake then unpacks the prophetic significance of Passover, showing how it represents protection from judgment, deliverance from bondage, and the covenant security found only under the blood of the Lamb. This episode also includes a moving time of communion / the Lord's Supper, with teaching on the broken body and shed blood of Jesus, connecting Passover to both personal healing and covenant faithfulness. If you need encouragement, spiritual focus, and a renewed awareness of what Christ has accomplished for you, this episode will strengthen your heart. As we move through increasingly perilous times, this message is a timely reminder: What is under the blood is protected by God. Timeline of Topics Discussed: 00:00 – Opening remarks and introduction 01:29 – Welcome to KIB Episode 524 01:56 – Mary Lou on Passover, prayer for soldiers, and staying focused on God 03:35 – Passover as a picture of God's protection and deliverance 05:21 – Dr. Lake on Passover, covenant judgment, and prophetic parallels 06:09 – Egypt, Babylon, Nimrod, and the pattern of rebellious systems 08:21 – The need for spiritual discernment in dangerous times 09:20 – Praying in agreement with God's will during war and upheaval 10:04 – Iran, terrorism, and the need for wisdom and protection 11:18 – Praying against hidden evil plans and spiritual manipulation 12:32 – The importance of living under the blood covenant of Jesus 14:57 – Redemption, ransom, and being delivered from Babylon's slavery 15:44 – The Mishkan: God dwelling with His people 17:56 – The power of remembering what God has done 18:53 – Passover symbols: Isaac, the Lamb, and the Afikoman 20:12 – The broken body of Jesus and the healing it provides 24:48 – Why Christ's suffering matters for our restoration today 26:38 – 1 Corinthians 11 and the Lord's Supper in context 28:20 – Jesus' betrayal, suffering, and identification with our pain 31:02 – Prayer over the bread: healing, restoration, and wholeness 32:33 – The cup of the New Covenant and the blood of Jesus 33:01 – Prayer over the cup: forgiveness, covenant, and consecration 34:43 – Proclaiming the Lord's death until He comes 35:02 – Closing prayer and encouragement for the remnant #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #Passover, #BloodOfJesus, #Communion, #LordsSupper, #BiblicalLifeTV, #DrMichaelLake, #MaryLouLake, #EndTimes, #SpiritualWarfare, #ChristianTeaching, #BibleProphecy, #PassoverTeaching, #Covenant, #HealingInChrist, #Remnant, #KingdomOfGod, #PropheticInsight, #BodyOfChrist, #JesusChrist

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad and Haley sit down with Mom (Mary Lou) for a packed episode — Dad (Bob) is sitting this one out thanks to a new diabetes medication knocking him out.✊ The No Kings 3 protest just became potentially the largest single-day protest in U.S. history with an estimated 8 million participants across all 50 states and internationally. We break down what happened, including clashes in LA, and ask the big question: did it make any difference?

Father Koys is still on sabbatical and is staying with his sister Mary Lou in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee. Father explores good and bad signs on how we interpret them. Father further explores the concept of guardrails. Ideally when we make a commitment, say in a committed relationship the contemporary thought is that marriage is not necessary. Because of concupiscence with no guardrail such as the confines of the Sacrament of Matrimony, there may be fertile ground for temptation. Living together within guardrails of the Sacrament of Matrimony the maintenance of a loving relationship is greatly assured. Guardrails such as the 10 Commandments are necessary for society to function as God provides them for us to have a true faith. St. Stanislaus Kostka Parish 

In this midweek episode, Chad tries to present evidence to Mary Lou of Trump's corrupt profiteering at the expense of the American taxpayer.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

What's So New About the New Covenant – Part 2 | Circumcision of the Heart Explained | KIB 523 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing   Description In this powerful episode of the Kingdom Intelligence Briefing, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake explore one of the most neglected truths in modern Christianity: circumcision of the heart and the true reality of the New Covenant. Mary Lou opens with encouragement for the remnant, updates on weather-related prayer needs in Arizona and New Mexico, and a reminder that God often gives watchmen warnings so the Body of Christ can pray and stop what the enemy intends. She also highlights the importance of remembering the Lord's deliverance through the Passover and the protective power of the blood of Jesus. Dr. Lake then continues his important series, "What's So New About the New Covenant?" by diving deep into the biblical meaning of heart circumcision. He explains the difference between the relational, functional, and positional dimensions of covenant life, and shows how the Torah written on the heart is not a discarded Old Testament idea but a fulfilled New Covenant reality in Christ. This episode addresses: the difference between outward religion and inward transformation why the Church has misunderstood the New Covenant how bad theology can wound the spirit why the commandments of God still matter when rightly understood how circumcision of the heart prepares the remnant for the days ahead If you have been hungry for a deeper understanding of Scripture, covenant life, and true spiritual maturity, this episode will encourage, challenge, and strengthen you. Be sure to like, share, and subscribe to help us continue preparing the remnant for the last days. Kingdom Intelligence Briefing #523 Timeline of Topics Discussed 00:00 Opening intro 01:29 Welcome to Kingdom Intelligence Briefing #523 01:55 Prayer for Arizona and New Mexico amid extreme March temperatures 02:34 Mary Lou shares overwhelming joy and expectation of God moving in power 03:03 Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and pleading the blood of Jesus 03:35 Dr. Lake connects Passover to God's deliverance of His people 03:48 Encouragement for perilous times and trusting God's protection 04:18 White winter military uniforms and prayer against evil plots in snowy regions 05:11 The difference between a watchman warning and a prophetic utterance 05:44 Perry Stone's warning about trains being used for harm 06:29 The power of remembering Christ's death and resurrection 08:21 Dr. Lake answers a question about Israel, the vine, and the olive tree 09:03 Relational, functional, and positional dimensions of covenant life 10:16 Grafted into Israel versus birthed into Christ 11:27 The internal reality behind Torah, covenant, and kingdom living 13:50 Acts 15, Gentiles, and the commonwealth of Israel 15:15 "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling" explained 16:13 Why easy-believism has weakened the Church 17:25 What true spiritual maturity really looks like 18:55 The danger of separating the New Testament from the Old Testament 20:03 The need to reexamine theology through the whole counsel of God 21:57 Why all spiritual reality must be tested by Scripture 23:15 Jeremiah 31 and the New Covenant promise 24:48 What it means for the Torah to be written on the heart 27:19 Soul conflict, spirit conflict, and renewing the mind 29:35 Circumcision of the heart in the Old Testament 31:30 Deuteronomy, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel on inward transformation 34:31 How much of the church may still be living without heart circumcision 36:20 External religion versus inward covenant reality 38:47 Ministry, discipleship, and true holiness in service 41:36 The danger of grieving the Spirit through bad theology 43:46 Related expressions: uncircumcised ears and uncircumcised lips 46:14 The prophetic promises fulfilled in the New Covenant 48:05 Romans 2 and Paul's teaching on circumcision of the heart 53:02 Colossians, Philippians, Acts, and Galatians on heart circumcision 59:18 Summary: what circumcision of the heart means under the New Covenant 01:01:51 Prayer for circumcised hearts and covenant faithfulness 01:02:47 Closing encouragement from Mary Lou Hashtags #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #DrMichaelLake, #MaryLouLake, #NewCovenant, #CircumcisionOfTheHeart, #Passover, #BloodOfJesus, #TorahWrittenOnTheHeart, #BiblicalLifeTV, #LastDays, #Remnant, #SpiritualTransformation, #HebraicRoots, #BibleTeaching, #ChristianPodcast

This week on The Necessary Conversation, Chad and Haley (libs) sit down with their Trump-supporting parents Bob and Mary Lou for another unfiltered, no-holds-barred political debate—and things get intense.We break down a week packed with major headlines, contradictions, and questions that don't have easy answers:

Back the project and get your own copy of the 3rd Edition rulebook at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/agate/7th-sea-ttrpg-a-new-journey?ref=9k3vyx  As the Kickstarter launches for 7th Sea 3rd Edition, we are excited to playtest the new rules! In this one shot, Jared Logan runs Joe O'Brien, Sydney Amanuel, Mary Lou, and Jason Charles Miller through a swashbuckling tale of adventure and intrigue to stress test the new system. Stay tuned at the end of the show for a playtest reaction and talkback! This one shot was sponsored by Studio Agate.  Watch the video here: https://youtu.be/C3gVgbza4sI Access ad-free episodes, exclusive podcasts, and more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jointhenaish.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Come see us LIVE in a city near you at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.glasscannonnetwork.com/tour Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After the shocking revelation in Sunday's episode that Mary Lou doesn't like Erika Kirk, Chad tries to meet her on this common ground to get her to see that Trump is just as bad.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

What's So New About the New Covenant? Part 1 | KIB 522 Kingdom Intelligence Briefing Description: In Kingdom Intelligence Briefing #522, Dr. Michael and Mary Lou Lake explore a vital question for the remnant in the last days: What is so new about the New Covenant? This episode uncovers how the promises of the New Covenant were already embedded in the Old Testament and how many believers have been disconnected from the very foundations that explain who we are in Christ. Mary Lou opens with practical warnings about spiritual deception in culture, hidden occult influence, and the need for prayer over vulnerable regions, infrastructure, and the nation. She also shares an important encouragement for God's people to remain watchful, prayerful, and spiritually prepared. Dr. Lake then begins a powerful new teaching series showing that the New Covenant does not abolish God's previous revelation, but rather internalizes it. He explains how the Torah being written on the heart, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, circumcision of heart, and the renewal of the mind are all part of the deeper reality of walking with God in the last days. This is a timely message for believers who want to move beyond shallow Christianity, rediscover the Hebraic foundations of the faith, and understand how spiritual maturity, healing, and obedience work together in the Kingdom of God. If this teaching blesses you, please like, subscribe, share, and visit: www.KingdomIntelligenceBriefing.com Timeline: 00:00 – Introduction and opening remarks 01:29 – Welcome to Kingdom Intelligence Briefing #522 01:56 – Mary Lou's warning about hidden cultural deception and "6767" chanting 03:18 – Vision of white-uniformed soldiers and prayer for the electrical grid 07:43 – Why infrastructure attacks and spiritual preparedness matter 13:36 – New teaching series: What's So New About the New Covenant? 15:10 – The error of disconnecting the New Covenant from the Old Testament 16:57 – Old Testament promises fulfilled and internalized in Christ 18:55 – Circumcision of heart, new heart, indwelling Spirit, and priesthood realities 21:58 – Why the New Covenant raises the standard instead of lowering it 24:55 – Jeremiah 31 and the promise of the New Covenant 28:25 – Torah written on the heart: external law becomes internal reality 31:42 – Why bad theology creates conflict between spirit and soul 34:13 – The danger of throwing away God's original definitions 37:19 – How the Holy Spirit uses the Word to renew the mind 43:46 – Why the Church must return to biblical foundations 51:18 – Romans 2 and the law written on the hearts of Gentile believers 56:08 – The need to heal wounded spirits and restore alignment with God 01:00:44 – Prayer for healing, alignment, and spiritual restoration 01:01:26 – Featured resource: The Kingdom Priesthood 01:03:51 – Closing remarks and ministry information Hashtags: #NewCovenant, #TorahWrittenOnTheHeart, #BiblicalLifeTV, #KingdomIntelligenceBriefing, #DrMichaelLake, #MaryLouLake, #HebraicRoots, #EndTimes, #BibleTeaching, #HolySpirit, #SpiritualWarfare, #RemnantBelievers, #KingdomOfGod, #ChristianDiscipleship, #LastDays, #Jeremiah31, #Romans2, #CircumcisionOfHeart, #BiblicalFoundations, #KingdomPriesthood

Millions of professionals are entering retirement each year, yet few are prepared for the emotional transition that comes after leaving a career. In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, Dr. Andi Simon speaks with publishing executive Mary Lou Mackin about the unexpected challenges of retirement and how to redesign the next chapter of life with purpose, structure, and community. Listen to the full episode of the On the Brink with Andi Simon podcast to hear Mary Lou Mackin's full story about redefining life after retirement. Summary In this episode, Mary Lou Mackin shares her personal journey through early retirement and the emotional challenges that followed. After a successful career in publishing, she discovered that stepping away from work left her struggling with identity, structure, and purpose. Through honest reflection and experimentation, she began rebuilding a new life that included community, creativity, and meaningful work. Her story highlights the importance of preparing emotionally—not just financially—for retirement. Key Takeaways Retirement is not simply a financial decision—it is a personal transformation. Many professionals underestimate how much their identity is tied to work. Losing daily structure can create an unexpected emotional void. Purpose in retirement often emerges through experimentation and new connections. Building community intentionally is essential for well-being after leaving work. When Retirement Doesn't Feel Like Freedom For decades, retirement was presented as a reward. Work hard. Save well. Step away. Enjoy the freedom you earned. But for many professionals today, retirement doesn't unfold the way they imagined. In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I speak with Mary Lou "M.L." Mackin, a longtime publishing executive who believed she had carefully planned her retirement—until she discovered that leaving work was far more complex than she expected. Her story is deeply honest, revealing the emotional and personal realities many professionals face when stepping away from their careers. When Burnout Leads to Retirement After years in a demanding and rewarding publishing career, M.L. reached a breaking point. Burned out and exhausted, she made the decision to retire early at age 62. She did everything right—or so she thought. She discussed the decision with her husband and financial planner. She negotiated a thoughtful transition with her employer, spending six months training her successor. She entered retirement with travel plans, social gatherings, and a long list of activities she had dreamed about during her working years. For a while, it felt wonderful. Then something changed. "The curtain came up," M.L. shared, "and suddenly I was completely lost." What followed was something rarely discussed in retirement planning: an emotional struggle with identity, structure, and purpose. The Hidden Challenges of Retirement As we explored her experience, four powerful themes emerged—patterns I have seen repeatedly while researching my book Rethink Retirement. Identity: Who Am I Without My Career? Many professionals underestimate how deeply their work shapes their identity. M.L. initially believed she wasn't strongly tied to her career. But once she stepped away, she realized how much of her life had revolved around intellectual engagement, collaboration, travel, and professional achievement. Without those anchors, she felt untethered. "I lived and breathed my work," she explained. "Who I was without that—I was lost." Structure: Too Much Freedom Can Be Difficult Retirement promises freedom, but unlimited time can be unsettling. Many people thrive on routines, deadlines, and commitments. When those disappear overnight, a surprising void can emerge. M.L. described mornings when she had already gone to the gym, had coffee, and suddenly realized there was nothing else planned for the day. "I had everything planned for retirement," she said. "Except the life I would actually live in it." Purpose: Why Do I Matter Now? One of the most profound questions people face in retirement is simple but powerful: Why do I matter now? Work often provides meaning and a sense of contribution. When it disappears, individuals must redefine how they add value to the world. For M.L., reconnecting with her publishing network led to freelance work and new creative collaborations. What began as small projects gradually helped restore a sense of purpose. She now finds fulfillment mentoring others and exploring ways to help people share their stories in the "third act" of life. Community: Rebuilding Connections Another unexpected challenge of retirement is the loss of daily social interaction. Many professionals discover that their primary community existed at work. To rebuild connection, M.L. made intentional efforts—something she admits was difficult at first. She began conversations at her gym, joined a writing group at her local library, and participated in online discussions with other women navigating retirement transitions. These small steps led to new friendships and a supportive network. How Do You Find Purpose After Leaving a Career? Looking back, M.L. wishes someone had challenged her to think about retirement differently—not just financially, but emotionally and personally. Her advice is simple but powerful: Prepare emotionally, not just financially Think about how you will structure your days Be honest about how much your work shapes your identity Seek community and conversation with others on the same journey Retirement, she realized, isn't simply an exit from work. It is a transition into a new stage of life that requires intention, reflection, and experimentation. Why Do Some People Struggle After Retirement? The most powerful insight from our conversation may be this: Retirement is not about stopping—it's about choosing what comes next. As we live longer and healthier lives, the traditional concept of retirement no longer fits many people's realities. Instead, this stage of life can become an opportunity for reinvention, creativity, and renewed purpose. M.L.'s story reminds us that the journey may include unexpected detours—but it can also lead to meaningful new paths. As you reflect on your own future, consider this question: Where do you still want to matter? Because retirement isn't the end of the story. It's the beginning of what comes next. Learn more about Rethink Retirement Many of the themes in this conversation are explored more deeply in my book Rethink Retirement: It's Not the End, It's the Beginning of What's Next, where I share stories from professionals navigating this transition. Read more about how we help you through transitions. If you're thinking about your own transition, our Rethink Retirement Masterclass and workshops help participants design a life plan for the next stage of their lives. Check it out here.  To learn more about M.L., reach her here: Mary Lou's profile: linkedin.com/in/mary-lou-mackin-0347758 Email: limediting22@gmail.com Listen to the full episode of the On the Brink with Andi Simon podcast to hear Mary Lou Mackin's full story about redefining life after retirement. Connect with me: Join my Substack Newsletter Rethink Retirement Website: www.simonassociates.net Book Website: www.andisimon.com Email: info@simonassociates.net Learn more about our books here: Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights Now--it is time to share our new book with our listeners. Rethink Retirement: It's Not The End--It's the Beginning of What's Next Out on Amazon and WalMart, and in your local bookseller.                                                                                                                         Rethink Retirement: The Workbook   From Observation to Innovation, Andi Simon, PhD CEO | Corporate Anthropologist | Award-winning Author Simonassociates.net Info@simonassociates.net @simonandi LinkedIn  

In this midweek edition of The Necessary Conversation Chad and Mary Lou examine clips from the Clintons' recent testimony before congress regarding the Epstein Files.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

In this midweek edition of The Necessary Conversation Chad makes actual progress in getting Mary Lou to admit she disagrees with Trump on quite a few things.Everything Is Energy with Cathy HellerChange your energy, change your life.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifyIf you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com

In this midweek episode Chad gets Mary Lou to watch some clips from Pam Bondi's insane House Judiciary hearing in which she answers zero questions about the botched release of the Epstein files.If you have a question for anyone on the show, record it in a 1 minute or under audio or video clip and send it to:thenecessaryconversationpod@gmail.com