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Faster, Please! — The Podcast

My fellow pro-growth/progress/abundance Up Wingers,Global population growth is slowing, and it's not showing any signs of recovery. To the environmentalists of the 1970s, this may have seemed like a movement in the right direction. The drawbacks to population decline, however, are severe and numerous, and they're not all obvious.Today on Faster, Please! — The Podcast, I talk with economist and demographer Dean Spears about the depopulation trend that is transcending cultural barriers and ushering in a new global reality. We discuss the costs to the economy and human progress, and the inherent value of more people.Spears is an associate professor of economics at Princeton University where he studies demography and development. He is also the founding executive director of r.i.c.e., a nonprofit research organization seeking to uplift children in rural northern India. He is a co-author with Michael Geruso of After the Spike: Population, Progress, and the Case for People.In This Episode* Where we're headed (1:32)* Pumping the breaks (5:41)* A pro-parenting culture (12:40)* A place for AI (19:13)* Preaching to the pro-natalist choir (23:40)* Quantity and quality of life (28:48)Below is a lightly edited transcript of our conversation. Where we're headed (1:32). . . two thirds of people now live in a country where the birth rate is below the two children per two adults level that would stabilize the population.Pethokoukis: Who are you and your co-author trying to persuade and what are you trying to persuade them of? Are you trying to persuade them that global depopulation is a real thing, that it's a problem? Are you trying to persuade them to have more kids? Are you trying to persuade them to support a certain set of pro-child or pro-natalist policies?Spears: We are trying to persuade quite a lot of people of two important things: One is that global depopulation is the most likely future — and what global depopulation means is that every decade, every generation, the world's population will shrink. That's the path that we're on. We're on that path because birth rates are low and falling almost everywhere. It's one thing we're trying to persuade people of, that fact, and we're trying to persuade people to engage with a question of whether global depopulation is a future to welcome or whether we should want something else to happen. Should we let depopulation happen by default or could it be better to stabilize the global population at some appropriate level instead?We fundamentally think that this is a question that a much broader section of society, of policy discourse, of academia should be talking about. We shouldn't just be leaving this discussion to the population scientists, demographic experts, not only to the people who already are worried about, or talking about low birth rates, but this is important enough and unprecedented enough that everybody should be engaging in this question. Whatever your ongoing values or commitments, there's a place for you in this conversation.Is it your impression that the general public is aware of this phenomenon? Or are they still stuck in the '70s thinking that population is running amok and we'll have 30 billion people on this planet like was the scenario in the famous film, Soylent Green? I feel like the people I know are sort of aware that this is happening. I don't know what your experience is.I think it's changing fast. I think more and more people are aware that birth rates are falling. I don't think that people are broadly aware — because when you hear it in the news, you might hear that birth rates in the United States have fallen low or birth rates in South Korea have fallen low. I think what not everybody knows is that two thirds of people now live in a country where the birth rate is below the two children per two adults level that would stabilize the population.I think people don't know that the world's birth rate has fallen from an average around five in 1950 to about 2.3 today, and that it's still falling and that people just haven't engaged with the thought that there's no special reason to expect it to stop and hold it to. But the same processes that have been bringing birth rates down will continue to bring them down, and people don't know that there's no real automatic stabilizer to expect it to come back up. Of the 26 countries that have had the lifetime birth rate fall below 1.9, none of them have had it go back up to two.That's a lot of facts that are not as widely known as they should be, but then the implication of it, that if the world's birth rate goes below two and stays there, we're going to have depopulation generation after generation. I think for a lot of people, they're still in the mindset that depopulation is almost conceptually impossible, that either we're going to have population growth or something else like zero population growth like people might've talked about in the '70s. But the idea that a growth rate of zero is just a number and then that it's not going to stop there, it's going to go negative, I think that's something that a lot of people just haven't thought about.Pumping the breaks (5:41)We wrote this book because we hope that there will be an alternative to depopulation society will choose, but there's no reason to expect or believe that it's going happen automatically.You said there's no automatic stabilizers — at first take, that sounds like we're going to zero. Is there a point where the global population does hit a stability point?No, that's just the thing.So we're going to zero?Well, “there's no automatic stabilizer” isn't the same thing as “we're definitely going to zero.” It could be that society comes together and decides to support parenting, invest more in the next generation, invest more in parents and families, and do more to help people choose to be parents. We wrote this book because we hope that there will be an alternative to depopulation society will choose, but there's no reason to expect or believe that it's going happen automatically. In no country where the birth rate has gone to two has it just magically stopped and held there forever.I think a biologist might say that the desire to reproduce, that's an evolved drive, and even if right now we're choosing to have smaller families, that biological urge doesn't vanish. We've had population, fertility rates, rise and fall throughout history — don't you think that there is some sort of natural stabilizer?We've had fluctuations throughout history, but those fluctuations have been around a pretty long and pretty widely-shared downward trend. Americans might be mostly only now hearing about falling birth rates because the US was sort of anomalous amongst richer countries and having a relatively flat period from the 1970s to around 2010 or so, whereas birth rates were falling in other countries, they weren't falling in the US in the same way, but they were falling in the US before then, they're falling in the US since then, and when you plot it over the long history with other countries, it's clear that, for the world as a whole, as long as we've had records, not just for decades, but for centuries, we've seen birth rates be falling. It's not just a new thing, it's a very long-term trend.It's a very widely-shared trend because humans are unlike other animals in the important way that we make decisions. We have culture, we have rationality, we have irrationality, we have all of these. The reason the population grew is because we've learned how to keep ourselves and our children alive. We learned how to implement sanitation, implement antibiotics, implement vaccines, and so more of the children who were born survived even as the birth rate was falling all along. Other animals don't do that. Other animals don't invent sanitation systems and antibiotics and so I think that we can't just reason immediately from other animal populations to what's going to happen to humans.I think one can make a plausible case that, even if you think that this is a problem — and again, it's a global problem, or a global phenomenon, advanced countries, less-advanced countries — that it is a phenomenon of such sweep that if you're going to say we need to stabilize or slow down, that it would take a set of policies of equal sweep to counter it. Do those actually exist?No. Nobody has a turnkey solution. There's nothing shovel-ready here. In fact, it's too early to be talking about policy solutions or “here's my piece of legislation, here's what the government should do” because we're just not there yet, both in terms of the democratic process of people understanding the situation and there even being a consensus that stabilization, at some level, would be better than depopulation, nor are we there yet on having any sort of answer that we can honestly recommend as being tested and known to be something that will reliably stabilize the population.I think the place to start is by having conversations like this one where we get people to engage with the evidence, and engage with the question, and just sort of move beyond a reflexive welcoming of depopulation by default and start thinking about, well, what are the costs of people and what are the benefits of people? Would we be better off in a future that isn't depopulating over the long run?The only concrete step I can think of us taking right now is adapting the social safety net to a new demographic reality. Beyond that, it seems like there might have to be a cultural shift of some kind, like a large-scale religious revival. Or maybe we all become so rich that we have more time on our hands and decide to have more kids. But do you think at some point someone will have a concrete solution to bring global fertility back up to 2.1 or 2.2?Look at it like this: The UN projects that the peak will be about six decades from now in 2084. Of course, I don't have a crystal ball, I don't know that it's going to be 2084, but let's take that six-decades timeline seriously because we're not talking about something that's going to happen next year or even next decade.But six decades ago, people were aware that — or at least leading scientists and even some policymakers were aware that climate change was a challenge. The original computations by Arrhenius of the radiative forcing were long before that. You have the Johnson speech to Congress, you have Nixon and the EPA. People were talking about climate change as a challenge six decades ago, but if somebody had gotten on their equivalent of a podcast and said, “What we need to do is immediately get rid of the internal combustion engine,” they would've been rightly laughed out of the room because that would've been the wrong policy solution at that time. That would've been jumping to the wrong solution. Instead, what we needed to do was what we've done, which is the science, the research, the social change that we're now at a place where emissions per person in the US have been falling for 20 years and we have technologies — wind, and solar, and batteries — that didn't exist before because there have been decades of working on it.So similarly, over the next six decades, let's build the research, build the science, build the social movement, discover things we don't know, more social science, more awareness, and future people will know more than you and I do about what might be constructive responses to this challenge, but only if we start talking about it now. It's not a crisis to panic about and do the first thing that comes to mind. This is a call to be more thoughtful about the future.A pro-parenting culture (12:40)The world's becoming more similar in this important way that the difference across countries and difference across societies is getting smaller as birth rates converge downward.But to be clear, you would like people to have more kids.I would like for us to get on a path where more people who want to be parents have the sort of support, and environment, and communities they need to be able to choose that. I would like people to be thinking about all of this when they make their family decisions. I'd like the rest of us to be thinking about this when we pitch in and do more to help us. I don't think that anybody's necessarily making the wrong decision for themselves if they look around and think that parenting is not for them or having more children is not for them, but I think we might all be making a mistake if we're not doing more to support parents or to recognize the stake we have in the next generation.But all those sorts of individual decisions that seem right for an individual or for a couple, combined, might turn into a societal decision.Absolutely. I'm an economics professor. We call this “externalities,” where there are social benefits of something that are different from the private costs and benefits. If I decide that I want to drive and I contribute to traffic congestion, then that's an externality. At least in principle, we understand what to do about that: You share the cost, you share the benefits, you help the people internalize the social decision.It's tied up in the fact that we have a society where some people we think of as doing care work and some people we think of as doing important work. So we've loaded all of these costs of making the next generation on people during the years of their parenting and especially on women and mothers. It's understandable that, from a strictly economic point of view, somebody looks at that and thinks, “The private costs are greater than the private benefits. I'm not going to do that.” It's not my position to tell somebody that they're wrong about that. What you do in a situation like that is share and lighten that burden. If there's a social reason to solve traffic congestion, then you solve it with public policy over the long run. If the social benefits of there being a flourishing next generation are greater than people are finding in their own decision making, then we need to find the ways to invest in families, invest in parenting, lift and share those burdens so that people feel like they can choose to be parents.I would think there's a cultural component here. I am reminded of a book by Jonathan Last about this very issue in which he talks about Old Town Alexandria here in Virginia, how, if you go to Old Town, you can find lots of stores selling stuff for dogs, but if you want to buy a baby carriage, you can't find anything.Of course, that's an equilibrium outcome, but go on.If we see a young couple pushing a stroller down the street and inside they have a Chihuahua — as society, or you personally, would you see that and “Think that's wrong. That seems like a young couple living in a nice area, probably have plenty of dough, they can afford daycare, and yet they're still not going to have a kid and they're pushing a dog around a stroller?” Should we view that as something's gone wrong with our society?My own research is about India. My book's co-authored with Mike Geruso. He studies the United States more. I'm more of an expert on India.Paul Ehrlich, of course, begins his book, The Population Bomb, in India.Yes, I know. He starts with this feeling of being too crowded with too many people. I say in the book that I almost wonder if I know the exact spot where he has that experience. I think it's where one of my favorite shops are for buying scales and measuring tape for measuring the health of children in Uttar Pradesh. But I digress about Paul Ehrlich.India now, where Paul Ehrlich was worried about overpopulation, is now a society with an average birth rate below two kids per two adults. Even Uttar Pradesh, the big, disadvantaged, poor state where I do my work in research, the average young woman there says that they want an average of 1.9 children. This is a place where society and culture is pretty different from the United States. In the US, we're very accustomed to this story of work and family conflict, and career conflicts, especially for women, and that's probably very important in a lot of people's lives. But that's not what's going on in India where female labor force participation is pretty low. Or you hear questions about whether this is about the decline of religiosity, but India is a place where religion is still very important to a lot of people's lives. Marriage is almost universal. Marriage happens early. People start their childbearing careers in their early twenties, and you still see people having an average below two kids. They start childbearing young and they end childbearing young.Similarly, in Latin America, where religiosity, at least as reported in surveys, remains pretty high, but Latin America is at an average of 1.8, and it's not because people are delaying fertility until they're too old to get pregnant. You see a lot of people having permanent contraception surgery, tubal obligations.And so this cultural story where people aren't getting married, they're starting too late, they're putting careers first, it doesn't match the worldwide diversity. These diverse societies we're seeing are all converging towards low birth rates. The world's becoming more similar in this important way that the difference across countries and difference across societies is getting smaller as birth rates converge downward. So I don't think we can easily point towards any one cultural for this long-term and widely shared trend.A place for AI (19:13)If AI in the future is a compliment to what humans produce . . . if AI is making us more productive, then it's all the bigger loss to have fewer people.At least from an economic perspective, I think you can make the case: fewer people, less strain on resources, you're worried about workers, AI-powered robots are going to be doing a lot of work, and if you're worried about fewer scientists, the scientists we do have are going to have AI-powered research assistants.Which makes the scientists more important. Many technologies over history have been compliments to what humans do, not substitutes. If AI in the future is a compliment to what humans produce — scientific research or just the learning by doing that people do whenever they're engaging in an enterprise or trying to create something — if AI is making us more productive, then it's all the bigger loss to have fewer people.To me, the best of both worlds would be to have even more scientists plus AI. But isn't the fear of too few people causing a labor shortage sort of offset by AI and robotics? Maybe we'll have plenty of technology and capital to supply the workers we do have. If that's not the worry, maybe the worry is that the human experience is simply worse when there are fewer children around.You used the term “plenty of,” and I think that sort of assumes that there's a “good enough,” and I want to push back on that because I think what matters is to continue to make progress towards higher living standards, towards poverty alleviation, towards longer, better, healthier, safer, richer lives. What matters is whether we're making as much progress as we could towards an abundant, rich, safe, healthy future. I think we shouldn't let ourselves sloppily accept a concept of “good enough.” If we're not making the sort of progress that we could towards better lives, then that's a loss, and that matters for people all around the world.We're better off for living in a world with other people. Other people are win-win: Their lives are good for them and their lives are good for you. Part of that, as you say, is people on the supply side of the economy, people having the ideas and the realizations that then can get shared over and over again. The fact that ideas are this non-depletable resource that don't get used up but might never be discovered if there aren't people to discover them. That's one reason people are important on the supply side of the economy, but other people are also good for you on the demand side of the economy.This is very surprising because people think that other people are eating your slice of the pie, and if there are more other people, there's less for me. But you have to ask yourself, why does the pie exist in the first place? Why is it worth some baker's while to bake a pie that I could get a slice of? And that's because there were enough people wanting slices of pie to make it worth paying the fixed costs of having a bakery and baking a whole pie.In other words, you're made better off when other people want and need the same things that you want and need because that makes it more likely for it to exist. If you have some sort of specialized medical need and need specialized care, you're going to be more likely to find it in a city where there are more other people than in a less-populated rural place, and you're going to be more likely to find it in a course of history where there have been more other people who have had the same medical need that you do so that it's been worthwhile for some sort of cure to exist. The goodness of other people for you isn't just when they're creating things, it's also when they're just needing the same things that you do.And, of course, if you think that getting to live a good life is a good thing, that there's something valuable about being around to have good experiences, that a world of more people having good experiences has more goodness in it than a world of fewer people having good experiences in it. That's one thing that counts, and it's one important consideration for why a stabilized future might be better than a depopulating future. Now, I don't expect everyone to immediately agree with that, but I do think that the likelihood of depopulation should prompt us to ask that question.Preaching to the pro-natalist choir (23:40)If you are already persuaded listening to this, then go strike up a conversation with somebody.Now, listening to what you just said, which I thought was fantastic, you're a great explainer, that is wonderful stuff — but I couldn't help but think, as you explained that, that you end up spending a lot of time with people who, because they read the New York Times, they may understand that the '70s population fears aren't going to happen, that we're not going to have a population of 30 billion that we're going to hit, I don't know, 10 billion in the 2060s and then go down. And they think, “Well, that's great.”You have to spend a lot of time explaining to them about the potential downsides and why people are good, when like half the population in this country already gets it: “You say ‘depopulation,' you had us at the word, ‘depopulation.'” You have all these people who are on the right who already think that — a lot of people I know, they're there.Is your book an effective tool to build on that foundation who already think it's an issue, are open to policy ideas, does your book build on that or offer anything to those people?I think that, even if this is something that people have thought about before, a lot of how people have thought about it is in terms of pension plans, the government's budget, the age structure, the nearer-term balance of workers to retirees.There's plenty of people on the right who maybe they're aware of those things, but also think that it really is kind of a The Children of Men argument. They just think a world with more children is better. A world where the playgrounds are alive is better — and yes, that also may help us with social security, but there's a lot of people for whom you don't have to even make that economic argument. That seems to me that that would be a powerful team of evangelists — and I mean it in a nonreligious way — evangelists for your idea that population is declining and there are going to be some serious side effects.If you are already persuaded listening to this, then go strike up a conversation with somebody. That's what we want to have happen. I think minds are going to be changed in small batches on this one. So if you're somebody who already thinks this way, then I encourage you to go out there and start a conversation. I think not everybody, even people who think about population for a living — for example, one of the things that we engage with in the book is the philosophy of population ethics, or population in social welfare as economists might talk about it.There have been big debates there over should we care about average wellbeing? Should we care about total wellbeing? Part of what we're trying to say in the book is, one, we think that some of those debates have been misplaced or are asking what we don't think are the right questions, but also to draw people to what we can learn from thinking of where questions like this agree. Because this whole question of should we make the future better in total or make the better on average is sort of presuming this Ehrlich-style mindset that if the future is more populous, then it must be worse for each. But once you see that a future that's more populous is also more prosperous, it'd be better in total and better on average, then a lot of these debates might still have academic interest, but both ways of thinking about what would be a better future agree.So there are these pockets of people out there who have thought about this before, and part of what we're trying to do is bring them together in a unified conversation where we're talking about the climate modeling, we're talking about the economics, we're talking about the philosophy, we're talking about the importance of gender equity and reproductive freedom, and showing that you can think and care about all of these things and still think that a stabilized future might be better than depopulation.In the think tank world, the dream is to have an idea and then some presidential candidate adopts the idea and pushes it forward. There's a decent chance that the 2028 Republican nominee is already really worried about this issue, maybe someone like JD Vance. Wouldn't that be helpful for you?I've never spoken with JD Vance, but from my point of view, I would also be excited for India's population to stabilize and not depopulate. I don't see this as an “America First” issue because it isn't an America First issue. It's a worldwide, broadly-shared phenomenon. I think that no one country is going to be able to solve this all on its own because, if nothing else, people move, people immigrate, societies influence one another. I think it's really a broadly-shared issue.Quantity and quality of life (28:48)What I do feel confident about is that some stabilized size would be better than depopulation generation after generation, after generation, after generation, without any sort of leveling out, and I think that's the plan that we're on by default.Can you imagine an earth of 10 to 12 billion people at a sustained level being a great place to live, where everybody is doing far better than they are today, the poorest countries are doing better — can you imagine that scenario? Can you also imagine a scenario where we have a world of three to four billion, which is a way nicer place to live for everybody than it is today? Can both those scenarios happen?I don't see any reason to think that either of those couldn't be an equilibrium, depending on all the various policy choices and all the various . . .This is a very broad question.Exactly. I think it's way beyond the social science, economics, climate science we have right now to say “three billion is the optimal size, 10 billion is the optimal size, eight billion is the optimal size.” What I do feel confident about is that some stabilized size would be better than depopulation generation after generation, after generation, after generation, without any sort of leveling out, and I think that's the plan that we're on by default. That doesn't mean it's what's going to happen, I hope it's not what happens, and that's sort of the point of the conversation here to get more people to consider that.But let's say we were able to stabilize the population at 11 billion. That would be fine.It could be depending on what the people do.But I'm talking about a world of 11 billion, and I'm talking about a world where the average person in India is as wealthy as, let's say this is in the year 2080, 2090, and at minimum, the average person in India is as wealthy as the average American is today. So that's a big huge jump in wealth and, of course, environmentalism.And we make responsible environmental choices, whether that's wind, or solar, or nuclear, or whatever, I'm not going to be prescriptive on that, but I don't see any reason why not. My hope is that future people will know more about that question than I do. Ehrlich would've said that our present world of eight billion would be impossible, that we would've starved long before this, that England would've ceased to exist, I think is a prediction in his book somewhere.And there's more food per person on every continent. Even in the couple decades that I've been going to India, children are taller than they used to be, on average. You can measure it, and maybe I'm fooling myself, but I feel like I can see it. Even as the world's been growing more populous, people have been getting better off, poverty has been going down, the absolute number of people in extreme poverty has been going down, even as the world's been getting more populous. As I say, emissions per person have been going down in a lot of places.I don't see any in principle, reason, if people make the right decisions, that we couldn't have a sustainable, healthy, and good, large sustained population. I've got two kids and they didn't add to the hole in the ozone layer, which I would've heard about in school as a big problem in the '80s. They didn't add to acid rain. Why not? Because the hole in the ozone layer was confronted with the Montreal Protocol. The acid rain was confronted with the Clean Air Act. 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WanderLearn: Travel to Transform Your Mind & Life
Derek Sivers On Things That Are 'Useful Not True' - Episode 1/3

WanderLearn: Travel to Transform Your Mind & Life

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 22, 2025 15:00


Video #1: What's Useful, Not True? This is episode 1 of 3 featuring Derek Sivers.  Derek has accomplished numerous impressive feats. He founded CD Baby. In 2008, he sold CD Baby for $22 million and donated the proceeds to a charitable trust dedicated to music education. After selling the company, he transitioned into writing and speaking. Derek's books are short, dense, and profound. In honor of his style, I've broken up my interview with him into three fascinating segments. It would be great if you could buy Derek's new book, Useful Not True, from Amazon, as I receive a small commission. However, if you want a much better deal, do what I did: buy multiple copies of his book from Derek Sivers's website. It's significantly cheaper than Amazon, especially when purchasing multiple copies, as each additional hardcover copy costs only about $4 more.  At 10:00 in the episode, Derek mentions Stewart Brand's How Buildings Learn: What Happens After They're Built.  How Derek Sivers and I met Derek Sivers stumbled onto The Hidden Europe, fell in love with it, and reached out to me 10 years ago, telling me how much he loved my book. I had no idea who he was, but soon found out. A-list celebrities, such as Tim Ferriss, have interviewed Derek on multiple occasions. Still, I'm not one to fall for celebrities, unless she's Megan Fox. What makes me most thrilled about interviewing Derek is his philosophy: he's a stoic. This guy sold his company (CD Baby) for $22 million and gave the money away to charity. He loves to experiment, travel, and think out of the box. It pains me that he and I missed each other when I visited his city in Wellington, New Zealand. I was there for a day, and it happened to be the day that he devotes entirely and exclusively to his son. I wish he were a less responsible father. About Derek Sivers Derek Sivers is focused on creation, learning, and living a minimalist, highly intentional life. Background: Born in 1969 in Berkeley, he moved frequently during his childhood, including to U.S. cities and England. His early focus on music began at the age of 14, when he was trained at Berklee College of Music. He transitioned into entrepreneurship. Career: Started multiple companies, including CD Baby and HostBaby, sold them in 2008, and since then has focused on writing, traveling, and intrinsic creativity rather than money or fame. Life Philosophy: Influenced by Stoicism, skeptical and open to changing perspectives, values self-strengthening for the future, and embraces the paradox that opposite views can both be true. Work Style: Loves to work alone intensely for long hours (12+ hours daily), prefers solo creative pursuits, and values deep focus and minimalist distraction. Uses minimal tech tools, avoids apps and cloud dependence, and prefers phone conversations to in-person socializing. Personal: American by origin, a world citizen, and expat living in various countries for extended periods. Has a 12-year-old son with whom he spends significant undivided time weekly. Identifies as an introverted extrovert with a strong social time limit, values voice communication, and dislikes noise and crowds. Values & Traits: Minimalist in possessions and technology, single-task oriented, future-focused, deliberate, avoids addictions, hates wasting time, and values silence and quality over quantity in relationships and experiences. Creative Interests: Loves and creates music with a focus on innovation, song craft, and high-quality recordings. Prefers analytical listening and creative originality rather than mainstream trends. Overall, Derek leads a carefully optimized life that prioritizes creativity, learning, and meaningful personal connections, with a strong emphasis on independence, long-term thinking, and simplicity. Connect with Derek Derek Sivers  d@sive.rs  https://sive.rs/ Get my audiobooks, ebooks, and hardcovers at sivers.com/e?t=n0fw4KGN40U4D71f sive.rs/u = USEFUL NOT TRUE: reframing because belief → emotion → action sive.rs/h = HOW TO LIVE: 27 conflicting answers and one weird conclusion sive.rs/n = HELL YEAH OR NO: what's worth doing? sive.rs/m = YOUR MUSIC & PEOPLE: humanistic marketing for creatives sive.rs/a = ANYTHING YOU WANT: make your business a utopia Connect Send me an anonymous voicemail at SpeakPipe.com/FTapon You can post comments, ask questions, and sign up for my newsletter at https://wanderlearn.com. If you like this podcast, subscribe and share!  On social media, my username is always FTapon. Connect with me on: Facebook Twitter YouTube Instagram TikTok LinkedIn Pinterest Tumblr   Sponsors 1. My Patrons sponsored this show! Claim your monthly reward by becoming a patron for as little as $2/month at https://Patreon.com/FTapon 2. For the best travel credit card, get one of the Chase Sapphire cards and get 75-100k bonus miles! 3. Get $5 when you sign up for Roamless, my favorite global eSIM! Use code LR32K 4. Get 25% off when you sign up for Trusted Housesitters, a site that helps you find sitters or homes to sit in. 5. Start your podcast with my company, Podbean, and get one month free! 6. In the United States, I recommend trading cryptocurrency with Kraken.  7. Outside the USA, trade crypto with Binance and get 5% off your trading fees! 8. For backpacking gear, buy from Gossamer Gear.

It’s All Your Fault: High Conflict People
Child Abuse Allegations: Finding Truth and Safety in Family Court with Dr. Wendy Bourg

It’s All Your Fault: High Conflict People

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2025 53:00


Child Sexual Abuse Allegations in Family Court: Expert Insights with Dr. Wendy BourgIn this compelling episode, Bill Eddy and Megan Hunter welcome clinical psychologist Dr. Wendy Bourg for a rare and candid discussion about one of family court's most challenging issues. With decades of experience developing forensic interview guidelines and working directly with families, Dr. Bourg shares invaluable insights about navigating these complex situations.The conversation explores how courts, professionals, and families can move beyond emotional reactions to find practical solutions that prioritize child wellbeing. Dr. Bourg challenges common assumptions and offers fresh perspectives on handling these sensitive cases, drawing from her extensive work in Oregon's family court system.Questions Explored in This EpisodeWhat makes these cases particularly challenging for family courts?How can professionals avoid common pitfalls when investigating allegations?What approaches best serve children caught in these situations?Where do well-meaning professionals sometimes go wrong?How can courts balance competing priorities in unclear cases?Key Reasons to ListenGain practical insights from a leading expert in the fieldLearn about surprising research findings that challenge conventional wisdomUnderstand how to avoid common mistakes that can harm familiesDiscover innovative approaches to handling complex casesHear real-world examples that illuminate better ways forwardWhether you're a family court professional, mental health practitioner, or concerned parent, this episode offers crucial insights for anyone seeking to better understand and address these challenging situations. Join us for this important conversation that goes beyond typical discussions to explore practical, balanced approaches that put children first.Additional ResourcesGuest, Dr. Wendy Bourghttps://drwendybourg.com/Expert PublicationsEvaluating Sexual Abuse Reports In Family Court by Dr. Wendy BourgTell Me What Happened: Questioning Children About Abuse by Michael LambJeopardy in the Courtroom: A Scientific Analysis of Children's Testimony by Stephen CeciProfessional & Personal DevelopmentConflictInfluencer.com (website for individuals dealing with high-conflict in personal life)New Ways for Families® Training: For family and divorce professionalsConnect With UsVisit High Conflict Institute: highconflictinstitute.comSubmit questions for Bill and MeganBrowse our complete collection of books and resources in our online store—available in print and e-book formatsFind these show notes and all past episode notes on our websiteImportant NoticeOur discussions focus on behavioral patterns rather than diagnoses. For specific legal or therapeutic guidance, please consult qualified professionals in your area. (00:00) - Welcome to It's All Your Fault (01:31) - Child Sexual Abuse Allegations in Family Court (02:02) - Meet Dr. Wendy Bourg (03:19) - Her Interest in This Work (07:45) - Karpman Drama Triangle (09:35) - Prevalence (13:42) - True or Not True? (18:20) - Safety First and Hippocratic Oath (23:55) - Grey Area Solutions (24:42) - Increase in Frequency? (30:24) - Cycles of Hysteria (33:10) - Therapists and Forensic Truths (36:26) - Flaws Still in the System (37:36) - Working to Help Parents Come Around (39:07) - Percent of Cases That Are True (42:32) - Best Practice Tips (45:38) - No Common Trigger Points (47:10) - Thoughts for Judges (49:19) - Non-Family Members (50:39) - Wrap Up (51:55) - Reminders Learn more about our New Ways for Work Coaching sessions. Get started today!

Kramer & Jess On Demand Podcast
"Fun Facts" That Are Simply Not True

Kramer & Jess On Demand Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2025 5:04


"Fun Facts" That Are Simply Not True full 304 Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:18:40 +0000 sdn9abryQUEUIzmqZoAAuegMEZduIedM fun facts,kramer and jess,not true,music,society & culture,news Kramer & Jess On Demand Podcast fun facts,kramer and jess,not true,music,society & culture,news "Fun Facts" That Are Simply Not True Highlights from the Kramer & Jess Show. 2024 © 2021 Audacy, Inc. Music Society & Culture News False https://player.amperwavepodcasting.com?feed-link=https%3

The Kyle Thiermann Show
#386 Derek Sivers on Courage, Bold Questions, & the Dangers of Chasing Status

The Kyle Thiermann Show

Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2025 94:22


When I started this podcast more than 7 years ago, I listed Derek Sivers as my dream guest (sorry Kelly Slater). Sivers' gift, I believe, is the willingness to question the premise of all things, delightfully, humorously, and give anyone in his orbit the choice to follow a more original path. An author of philosophy and entrepreneurship, he's known for his surprising quotable insights, pithy succinct writing style, and commitment to minimalism. (He currently lives in a 4x8 meter house in New Zealand and is building it out slowly, room by room, just to see what he needs.) Formerly a musician, programmer, TED speaker, and circus clown, he sold his first company for $22 million and gave all the money to charity. Sivers' books (Useful, Not True, How to Live, Hell Yeah or No, Your Music and People, Anything You Want) and newest projects are at his website: sive.rs. He loves hearing from strangers and will reply to every email, so if you enjoyed this podcast, shoot him an email and let him know. If you dig this podcast, will you please leave a short review on Apple Podcasts? It takes less than 60 seconds and makes a difference when I drop to my knees and beg hard-to-get guests on the show. I read them all. You can watch this podcast on my YouTube channel and join my newsletter on Substack. It's glorious. Get full access to Kyle Thiermann at thiermann.substack.com/subscribe

The Kyle Thiermann Show
#386 Derek Sivers on Courage, Bold Questions, & the Dangers of Chasing Status

The Kyle Thiermann Show

Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2025 94:22


When I started this podcast more than 7 years ago, I listed Derek Sivers as my dream guest (sorry Kelly Slater). Sivers' gift, I believe, is the willingness to question the premise of all things, delightfully, humorously, and give anyone in his orbit the choice to follow a more original path. An author of philosophy and entrepreneurship, he's known for his surprising quotable insights, pithy succinct writing style, and commitment to minimalism. (He currently lives in a 4x8 meter house in New Zealand and is building it out slowly, room by room, just to see what he needs.) Formerly a musician, programmer, TED speaker, and circus clown, he sold his first company for $22 million and gave all the money to charity. Sivers' books (Useful, Not True, How to Live, Hell Yeah or No, Your Music and People, Anything You Want) and newest projects are at his website: sive.rs. He loves hearing from strangers and will reply to every email, so if you enjoyed this podcast, shoot him an email and let him know. If you dig this podcast, will you please leave a short review on Apple Podcasts? It takes less than 60 seconds and makes a difference when I drop to my knees and beg hard-to-get guests on the show. I read them all. You can watch this podcast on my YouTube channel and join my newsletter on Substack. It's glorious. Get full access to Kyle Thiermann at thiermann.substack.com/subscribe

I AM RAPAPORT: STEREO PODCAST
RAPAPORT'S REALITY EP 59 - BEING OFF THE SUGAR/WHAT IS HAPPENING TO RHOA aka WORST SEASON EVER/TRUE OR NOT TRUE?/SECRET LIVES OF MORMON WIVES TRUTH

I AM RAPAPORT: STEREO PODCAST

Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2025 33:45 Transcription Available


Welcome to episode 59 of Rapaport's Reality! Starring Kebe & Michael Rapaport. This is the reality television podcast that the whole reality world has been waiting for. The Rapaport's are here to discuss: Being off the sugar What is happening to RHOA aka Worst Season Ever 55 Cent's husband goes to jail True or Not True? Secret Lives of Mormon Wives & more This episode is not to be missed! An iHeartPodcasts Show Stand Up Comedy Tickets on sale at: MichaelRapaportComedy.com Produced by DBPodcasts.comFollow @dbpodcasts, @rapaportsreality, @michaelrapaport on Instagram & X Subscribe to Rapaport's Reality Feeds: iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-rapaports-reality-with-keb-171162927/ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rapaports-reality-with-kebe-michael-rapaport/id1744160673 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3a9ArixCtWRhfpfo1Tz7MR Pandora: https://www.pandora.com/podcast/rapaports-reality-with-kebe-michael-rapaport/PC:1001087456 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a776919e-ad8c-4b4b-90c6-f28e41fe1d40/rapaports-reality-with-kebe-michael-rapaportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Retirement You Radio
Episode 217 - Behavioral Finance

Retirement You Radio

Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2025 35:30


It Challenges the Traditional View That Investors Always Act Rationally. We Know That's Not True. Instead, It Recognizes That Emotions, Biases, and Cognitive Limitations Can Significantly Influence Our Choices.

Hi Line Ministries
Service, me?

Hi Line Ministries

Play Episode Listen Later May 4, 2025 32:04


Dispelling two ideas; the first idea that's not true is that the work of the ministry, for Christian, is done strictly behind the pulpit. NOT TRUE!The second idea is that if you are doing God's work without being behind the pulpit the work you are doing for God is less essential, or less important. NOT TRUE!

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale
#353 Creating Confidence

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2025 25:46


Many of us think that if we could just take a confidence pill that everything in our life would be different, because confidence impacts our courage to step into new and sometimes scary situations and to take risks that could make our lives better. And yet, we all have confidence. Sometimes that confidence is just in things, but what we mostly struggle with is confidence in our SELVES. The confidence to believe that regardless of the outcome we will figure it out and have our own backs and still love and appreciate ourselves. When we can learn to have confidence in us, then our lives become more of what we want them to be. Thanks for listening!  Want to learn more about this concept?  Check out these podcasts: #11 I Am Enough #35 Self-Esteem #82 Courage and Fear #107 Why Our Thoughts Are So Important #113 Self-Acceptance #114 Confidence #137 Not Enough? Not True #260 Your Lovability and Your Love Ability #305 When We Don't Feel Good Enough #327 Learning to Love Your Human Self #331 Sense of Self #332 Sense of Self – It's All In Your Head #333 Sense of Self and Dating #334 Sense of Self and Marriage #335 Sense of Self and Parenting #336 Sense of Self and Our Spirituality #337 Sense of Self and Our Sexuality #349 It's Okay If People Don't Like You Are you curious about what it would be like to work with me? Here are three options: Group coaching classes are available at tanyahale.com/groupcoaching Talk with Tanya is a free monthly webinar where you can ask me anything and we can have a great discussion.  You can sign up for that at tanyahale.com/groupcoaching Interested in a free 90-minute coaching/consult with me?  Access my calendar at: https://tanyahalecalendar.as.me/

Built Not Born
#159 - Derek Sivers - Useful, Not True

Built Not Born

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2025 67:50


KERA's Think
A world without USAID

KERA's Think

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2025 45:55


The Trump administration has frozen funding for foreign aid, putting workers out of jobs and threatening the future of USAID in doubt. Brett Murphy is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter on ProPublica's national desk, and he joins host Krys Boyd to discuss the rapid dismantling of the humanitarian agency and what will happen to the people around the world who rely on its help. His article, written with Anna Maria Barry-Jester, is “‘People Will Die': The Trump Administration Said It Lifted Its Ban on Lifesaving Humanitarian Aid. That's Not True.” Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

One Man Revolution
v5e003-Fresh New Genocide

One Man Revolution

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2025 135:31


It's 3 years, 11 months, and 12 days until the end of the 47th Administration, or 206 weeks. Panic is setting in quickly, as the reality of President Musk's coup is setting in. Government officials and representatives are being locked out of government buildings by hired guns, and Musk has access to the entire Treasury Department. Told ya. Other Titles Considered Very Large A-holes Try Us Coward Vitamin T Special Show Links: “People Will Die”: The Trump Administration Said It Lifted Its Ban on Lifesaving Humanitarian Aid. That's Not True.  https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-state-department-usaid-humanitarian-aid-freeze-ukraine-gaza-sudan The Government's Computing Experts Say They Are Terrified Elon Musk's Demolition Crew https://projects.propublica.org/elon-musk-doge-tracker/?utm_campaign=propublica-sprout&utm_content=1738881108 Trump says Gaza will be given to US by Israel https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5133161-donald-trump-gaza-proposal-israel-takeover/ Judge rails against Trump in blocking birthright executive order for second time https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5130744-trump-judge-birthright-order-blocked/ Saudi crown prince says kingdom intends to invest $600 billion in US during call with Trump https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-us-investment-trump-6730a89f93b44ed8d705638f95700cbb Proud Boys Lose Control of Their Name to a Black Church They Vandalized https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/us/politics/proud-boys.html

Moms Talk Autism Podcast
RE-Launch: We Wish We Would Have Known

Moms Talk Autism Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 18, 2024 63:09


It's so easy to spiral down in the “what if” game and second-guess ourselves. When it comes to our exceptional children and their care, it can feel even more stressful, like if you screw up this one therapy, medication, opportunity, etc then I've failed as a parent. We are here to tell you that's NOT TRUE! Today we look back and discuss what we wish we would have known. If you don't remember anything else from this episode, remember Shannon's advice: NEVER SAY NEVER. Because, if you do, you will definitely “never” sooner than you think.

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale
#337 Sense of Self and Our Sexuality

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2024 46:09


God created us to be sexual beings. Through a lot of social conditioning in the 70s and 80s (and probably before, but I wasn't there), we got a lot of mixed messages about our sexuality as women, and one of them was not that as women we were created to be sexual and find a lot of pleasure and enjoyment there. From this conditioning, many of us struggle to be at peace with our sexuality and to engage in healthy and happy sexuality. When we have a strong sense of self, we are more fully capable of addressing these challenging conditioned thoughts and moving into a more whole version of ourselves that includes healthy sexuality.   Thanks for listening!  Want to learn more about this concept?  Check out these podcasts: 29 Validation 34 Self-Compassion 46 Choosing to Love Yourself 78 Playing Small 104 Cultivating Self-Love 105 Self-Love In Our Past, Present, and Future 106 Fierce Self-Love 113 Self-Acceptance 114 Confidence 137 Not Enough? Not True 215 Being Seen and Being Heard 247 The Value in Knowing Our Value 260 Your Lovability and Your Love Ability 281 Mid-Life Sexuality with Jennifer Finlayson-Fife 293 Dating in Mid-life 304 Personalities, Preferences, and Perspectives 327 Learning to Love Your Human Self 331 Sense of Self 332 Sense of Self - It's All In Your Head 333 Sense of Self and Dating 334 Sense of Self and Marriage 335 Sense of Self and Parenting 336 Sense of Self and Spirituality Interesting in a free 90-minute coaching/consult with me?  Access my calendar at: https://tanyahalecalendar.as.me/

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale
#336 Sense of Self and Our Spirituality

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2024 33:49


How does our sense of self impact our spirituality, or our ability to connect with God? Significantly. When we have a strong sense of self we see ourselves as worthy of God's love, deserving of His mercy, and accepting of His grace.  When we have a struggling sense of self we don't beieve that God could love us and forgive us for our human frailties. Though God is always there with love and an outstretched hand, our feelings of worth and confidence will determine whether we are willing and able to reach out and accept what He is offering us. Our connection to God, our spirituality, is determined not by what God is offering, but by what we are willing to accept. Thanks for listening!  Want to learn more about this concept?  Check out these podcasts: 29 Validation 34 Self-Compassion 46 Choosing to Love Yourself 78 Playing Small 104 Cultivating Self-Love 105 Self-Love In Our Past, Present, and Future 106 Fierce Self-Love 113 Self-Acceptance 114 Confidence 137 Not Enough? Not True 215 Being Seen and Being Heard 247 The Value in Knowing Our Value 260 Your Lovability and Your Love Ability 304 Personalities, Preferences, and Perspectives 327 Learning to Love Your Human Self 331 Sense of Self 332 Sense of Self - It's All In Your Head 333 Sense of Self and Dating 334 Sense of Self and Marriage 335 Sense of Self and Parenting   Interested in a free 90-minute coaching/consult with me?  Access my calendar at: https://tanyahalecalendar.as.me/

Anti-Neocon Report
Epstein's client list is out

Anti-Neocon Report

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 27, 2024 9:56


Some people ask me how I got the Epstein list. People are naive thinking there is a list sitting in a locker somewhere Like some 1960s Batman villain wrote it all down and saved it. That doesn't exist. I complied the list the way any real journalist should. * It's from the victims own mouths. * It's from internal emails between Epstein and his clients boasting about what they did. * It's from the court documents and quiet settlements with hush money delivered by his lawyer Daren Indyke.* It's from massive payments to Epstein run LLCs by these same people and normally through a Les Wexner front. * And it's from testimony of his staff, body guards, chefs, drivers, pilots, desk girls etc. * It's from the positions he was given as a trustee, consultant, board member for organizations where he didn't do any actual work. You can compile and comb through these and corroborate the evidence. I did the real work for years. I didn't just scoop names of of their black-book or flight logs. I didn't just watch videos on YouTube. And it didn't matter. I have the list. Whenever new documents were dropped all the names in them were already on my map and list that I publicly released years ago. I don't have enough reach to get the media attention on this that it needs because I was canceled on everything for opposing Israel. I just got X back in 2023. So no one gave me the list. I didn't find it. I made it by listing all the perpetrators that we know from multiple sources. If I was wrong I'd be sued into oblivion. I'm not wrong. But what good is it? People don't want to know the truth. It's like the airplane deniers of 911. The entertainment of the fantasy and mystery is more important to them. I need someone with real reach to sit down and talk to me.Matt Gaetz was right. A foreign State had Epstein killed. Also people think no one on the list has been prosecuted. That is NOT TRUE. It's simply not blasted all over television. Maxwell's trial should have been bigger than OJ Simpson but it wasn't because it would be so damaging to Israel. Quick Example, Jean Luc Brunel the # 3 in the operation was arrested and died in a Paris prison cell. Allegedly suicide. He ran several modeling agencies the most recent of which is out of Kiev Ukraine and he used these front for false hires to lure in vulnerable girls some of which he supplied to Epstein. He also drugged and raped women himselfMany of the perpetrators have been jailed or had to pay large settlements behind closed doors. The press is simply ignoring it. The law suit from the Virgin Islands forced banks involved in enabling Epstein hush money payments to pay out tens of million of dollars. Hedge funds and asset managements have done the same. Quick Example Apollo Global (Leon Black) had to pay 62.5 Million This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.ryandawson.org/subscribe

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale
#334 Sense of Self and Marriage

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2024 36:44


This week we are continuing with our discussions about sense of self, and focusing on how it impacts our marriages.  It is really difficult, if not impossible, to have a strong, healthy, intimately connected marriage relationship if we don't have a strong sense of self.  When we have an underdeveloped sense of self, we lessen our capacity to really love and accept the other person and we severly limit our ability to do the repair work that is inevitable and so important to our marriage, two things that are vital for deep, intimate connection.  Let's dig a little deeper so we can clean some things up, shall we? Thanks for listening!  Want to learn more about this concept?  Check out these podcasts: 29 Validation 34 Self-Compassion 46 Choosing to Love Yourself 78 Playing Small 104 Cultivating Self-Love 105 Self-Love In Our Past, Present, and Future 106 Fierce Self-Love 113 Self-Acceptance 114 Confidence 137 Not Enough? Not True 162 My 90-day Relationship 198 My Last 90 Day Relationship 215 Being Seen and Being Heard 247 The Value in Knowing Our Value 260 Your Lovability and Your Love Ability 293 Dating in Mid-life 294 The 90-day Relationship How To 304 Personalities, Preferences, and Perspectives 327 Learning to Love Your Human Self 331 Sense of Self 332 Sense of Self - It's All In Your Head 333 Sense of Self and Dating Interesting in a free 90-minute coaching/consult with me?  Access my calendar at: https://tanyahalecalendar.as.me/

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale
#333 Sense of Self and Dating

Intentional Living with Tanya Hale

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2024 32:56


Continuing on with our sense of self series, today we are applying it to dating. When we have a strong sense of self, we approach dating with courage, confidence, and conviction. We aren't afraid of saying 'no' or being rejected. That's not to say we love it when it happens, but it doesn't rock our world because we understand that people's preferences don't mean anything about us. A strong sense of self approaches dating from an abundance mindset, while a reflective sense of self approaches it from a scarcity mindset.  And a scarcity mindset will set us up for a struggling relationship, while an abundance mindset will more naturally steer clear of people who won't be a good fit, and we won't be willing to 'settle'.  A strong sense of self is the key to having a fun and successful dating in mid-life experience. Thanks for listening! Interesting in a free 90-minute coaching/consult with me?  Access my calendar at: https://tanyahalecalendar.as.me/ Want to learn more about this concept?  Check out these podcasts: 29 Validation 34 Self-Compassion 46 Choosing to Love Yourself 78 Playing Small 104 Cultivating Self-Love 105 Self-Love In Our Past, Present, and Future 106 Fierce Self-Love 113 Self-Acceptance 114 Confidence 137 Not Enough? Not True 162 My 90-day Relationship 198 My Last 90 Day Relationship 215 Being Seen and Being Heard 247 The Value in Knowing Our Value 260 Your Lovability and Your Love Ability 293 Dating in Mid-life 294 The 90-day Relationship How To 304 Personalities, Preferences, and Perspectives 327 Learning to Love Your Human Self 331 Sense of Self 332 Sense of Self - It's All In Your Head  

Urgency of Change - The Krishnamurti Podcast
Krishnamurti on The False

Urgency of Change - The Krishnamurti Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2024 73:27


‘It is only the mind that is empty of what is false that can discover what is true.' This episode on The False has four sections. The first extract (2:37) is from Krishnamurti's fourth talk in Saanen 1983, and is titled: Seeing the False. The second extract (22:30s) is from the sixth talk in Paris 1961, and is titled: Denying the False. The third extract (41:54) is from Krishnamurti's fifth talk in Madras 1979, and is titled: Freedom to See the False. The final extract in this episode (58:41) is from the eighth talk in Ojai 1949, and is titled: A Fact is Not True or False. Each fortnightly episode of the Krishnamurti podcast is based on a significant theme of his talks. Extracts from the archives have been selected to represent Krishnamurti's different approaches to these universal and timelessly relevant themes. This episode's theme is The False. Upcoming topics are The Future, Knowing, and Bliss, Ecstasy and Benediction. This is a podcast from Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, based at Brockwood Park in the UK, which is also home to The Krishnamurti Centre. The Centre offers a variety of group retreats, including for young adults. There is also a volunteer programme. The atmosphere at the Centre is one of openness and friendliness, with a sense of freedom to inquire with others and alone. Please visit krishnamurticentre.org.uk for more information. You can also find our regular Krishnamurti quotes and videos on Instagram, TikTok and Facebook at Krishnamurti Foundation Trust. If you enjoy the podcast, please leave a review or rating on your podcast app.

The Freaky Deaky | Paranormal & The Unexplained
214 | Haunted Funeral Homes, Morticians & Morgues: Better Bring Your Tissues, It Gets Sad

The Freaky Deaky | Paranormal & The Unexplained

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2024 69:46


Funeral homes and morgues are more than just places for the dead to rest—they're often where the spirits linger. From a grandmother demanding red lipstick from beyond the grave to a child's heartbreaking call for her father, these real stories from embalmers and morticians will leave you unsettled, and quite possibly in need of a tissue? WARNING: MOST of the stories covered in today's episode revolve around the death of loved ones, including loss of a child. If you are sensitive to the subject, you may consider skipping this weeks episode. ------- TIME STAMPS: 0:00 - Christian is Still Talking About Housekeepers 2:13 - Spooky Ghost Podcast Intro 3:32 - You Like Morgues, Friends? 4:22 - Obligatory Haunting of Hill House / Six Feet Under Mention 5:53 - STORY: Red Lipstick, or GTFO.. 11:02 - Christian is Saying Like A Lot 12:23 - STORY: This One is Also Sad 16:22 - STORY: Imprinted on the Door 19:02 - Shroud of Turin Ref 21:22 - STORY: Thanks Grandpa 24:12 - We Get Personal Here, DEAL WITH IT. 25:25 - Christian, You Made It Up 27:49 - TFD: The Musical Coming Soon 28:02 - STORY: Running Late 34:24 - Sorry for the weird vibes tonight 34:44 - STORY: Swimming With The Fishes 37:13 - Sometimes The Intrusive Thoughts Win. 43:44 - What Happens When We Die? 45:22 - Christian Rambles So Long Scott Forgets What Story We're On 47:02 - Is The Afterlife Unimaginable? (No Idea How We Got Here..) 51:52 - Christian, You're Wrong 52:22 - Should TFD: After Dark have Weird Musical Numbers in it? 54:32 - STORY: Never Follow a Giggle 54:42 - Christian is Off the Rails 55:24 - Explaining Sepia 61:38 - Christian, You're Wrong 63:31 - That's Not True, Christian -------- If you want to become a producer, visit this link: http://bit.ly/3WZ3xTg Episode Producer: Eric Long -------- Armed with nothing more than a non-sensical soundboard, a fascination for all things unexplained, and a heaping dose of dry humor; TFD is a weekly paranormal comedy podcast featuring real ghost stories, Cryptid lore discussions, and true paranormal experiences catering to the week's theme. Fresh episodes drop every Thursday across all podcast platforms, and feature perspectives from both believer and skeptic sides of the aisle. So if you're a fan of haunted places, terrifying paranormal activity, and true ghost stories from real people, you're in the right place, friend. Recorded in an undisclosed location somewhere in the beautiful woods of Wasilla, Alaska. ++SUBMIT YOUR STORY FOR OUR LISTENER STORY EPISODES++ Email: thegang@thefreakydeaky.com Voicemail: 801-997-0051 ++WEBSITE & MERCH++ Website: www.thefreakydeaky.com Merch: www.thefreakydeaky.com/store ++FOLLOW OUR SOCIALS FOR EXCLUSIVES++ YouTube: https://bit.ly/3goj7SP Instagram: https://bit.ly/2HOdleo Facebook: https://bit.ly/3ebSde6 TFD Facebook Group: https://tinyurl.com/tfdfb TikTok: https://bit.ly/35lNOlu

James Strong Show Podcast
James Strong Show Podcast 376 The Frank Sinatra Jr. You Never knew

James Strong Show Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 39:47


The only son of Frank Sinatra, Jr. was a singer, musician, composer and conductor who took his material from The Great American Songbook. Some thought he simply rode the old man's coat tails. Not True! Sinatra Jr. as hard working and determined as his old man. He ran the show for his father as his health and confidence waned. Listen here for the story of one of the least appreciated singers of the modern era.

Dawn and Steve Mornings
Cultural Christian?

Dawn and Steve Mornings

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2024 22:43 Transcription Available


Are you a cultural Christian? Dawn and Steve unpack this concept based on an article from Andy Bannister's article "When Your Neighbor Accepts Christianity as Good (but Not True)."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Fan Morning Show
Your QB doesn't always have to be better than the other, right?

The Fan Morning Show

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 8, 2024 33:47


In this hour, Adam Crowley and Dorin Dickerson continue to assess the progress of Justin Fields through training camp. Also, Crowley fell for a false post on X and spread information that is NOT TRUE! It's hilarious! And social media's biggest loser! August 8, 2024, 9:00 Hour

The Law Firm Marketing Minute
The Best Clients DON'T Come From Google

The Law Firm Marketing Minute

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2024 1:42


Did you like this episode? Dislike it? We are so happy to hear law firm owners agree with us about Google! A lot of law firm owners, unfortunately, are taught that Google is the best place to put your marketing budget. It's sooooo NOT TRUE! Chris Clark, founder of Clark.Law, explains his personal view on Google and getting clients from it. What are your thoughts?

Rising
MYSTERIOUS Monolith Appears in Nevada Desert!!, Noam Chomsky NOT DEAD, AP African American History DROPPED in South Carolina Schools, And More: 6.19.24

Rising

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 19, 2024 93:25


Karine Jean-Pierre SAYS ‘Cheap Fake' Videos of Biden Were ‘Manipulated': Not True (00:00) Scientist Explains Why Lab Leak Is MOST LIKELY Explanation for Covid: Watch (10:50) I RESIGNED from Biden Administration Over Gaza Genocide: Interview (22:48) AP African American History DROPPED in South Carolina Schools: Rising DEBATES (37:07) Rep. Cori BUSH Says She Laid Hands on Tumor-Ridden Person and HEALED Them; MSM Gives Her a Pass (49:07) Noam Chomsky NOT DEAD, Media SCREWS UP Royally (01:03:06) MYSTERIOUS Monolith Appears in Nevada Desert!! Sign of Life From BEYOND??? (01:10:14) LIBERAL Media FREAKING Out Over Possible TRUMP Win; The View and Rachel MADDOW Commiserate (01:18:41) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Doug Franz Unplugged
D-Backs Make Really Bad Decision

Doug Franz Unplugged

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 11, 2024 82:02


00:00 Four-Minute Offense 6:50 Not True! 13:04 Doug's Big One = Admit Your Mistake Mike Hazen! 36:31 Town Hall Tuesday 1:11:00 Suns Make Good Hires 1:14:20 Vs Vegas

Manifesting with Meg: Conversations with Extraordinary People
Manifesting with Meg & Valerie Taylor - Ep 132 Dare to Do Great Things!

Manifesting with Meg: Conversations with Extraordinary People

Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2024 42:11


Valerie Taylor is the award-winning author of the romantic comedy trilogy What's Not SAID, What's Not TRUE, and What's Not LOST. Encouraged by her readers, she's now created a new cozy mystery series, spinning one of the secondary characters in What's Not LOST into the role of amateur sleuth in A Whale of a Murder: A Venus Bixby Mystery. When she's not writing or reading, Valerie enjoys practicing tai chi and being an expert sports spectator. She now resides in Shelton, CT, returning there after enjoying some of the best years of her life in Boston and Seattle. Show Notes: 00:00:44 Season 7—Live, Love, Laugh & Play 00:00:59 Theme-Dare to do Great Things 00:01:09 Introducing Valerie 00:03:02 Val's Book Journey 00:04:17 AHA MOMENT 00:04:41 Quote of the Day 00:05:33 Awakening Creativity 00:07:34Failure is not in her vocabulary 00:13:19Val's Inspirational Quotes 00:19:52 Val's Elevator Pitch - a Whale of a Murder 00:21:37 Getting Intentional with The Magical Guide to Bliss 00:26:39 Rejoice in the Joy that Lies Before You 00:28:41Contact Valerie 00:29:47 Valerie's Manifesting Tools 00:34:24 Valerie's Inspiration 00:38:00 The Takeaway Contact Valerie Taylor www.valerietaylorauthor.com IG @valerieetaylor SEASON 7: Live, Laugh, Love & Play Conversations with Extraordinary People is a YouTube video and podcast based on The Magical Guide to Bliss. It guides the listener through the year with empowering conversations. Subscribe to my YouTube channel. Sign up for my newsletter: www.megnocero.com #manifesting #podcast #SEASON7 #podcasts #podcast #season7 #meg #love #valerietaylor #worthiness #author #dreamers #breathe #creativeinterview #motivational #happiness #transformational #magical #happiness #determination #grateful #manifestingwithmeg #themagicalguidetobliss #cozymystery #awhaleofamurder --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/meg-nocero/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/meg-nocero/support

RNIB Connect
S2 Ep548: Vidar Hjardeng MBE - Blood Brothers, AD Theatre Review

RNIB Connect

Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2024 6:17


RNIB Connect Radio's Toby Davey is joined again by Vidar Hjardeng MBE, Inclusion and Diversity Consultant for ITV News across England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Channel Islands for the next in his regular Connect Radio theatre reviews. This week we have one of Vidar's favourite musicals with Willy Russell's legendary musical Blood Brothers at the Birmingham Hippodrome Theatre with description by Professional Audio Describer Jonathan Nash.  About Blood Brothers: Blood Brothers tells the captivating and moving tale of two twins who, separated at birth, grow up on opposite sides of the tracks, only to meet again with fateful consequences. Few musicals have received quite such acclaim as the multi-award winning Blood Brothers. Bill Kenwright‘s production surpassed 10,000 performances in London's West End, one of only three musicals ever to achieve that milestone. It has been affectionately christened the “Standing Ovation Musical”, as inevitably it “brings the audience cheering to its feet and roaring its approval” (The Daily Mail). The superb score includes Bright New Day, Marilyn Monroe and the emotionally charged hit Tell Me It's Not True. To find out more about access at the Birmingham Hippodrome Theatre including details of audio described performances do visit the access pages of the theatre's website - https://www.birminghamhippodrome.com/plan-your-visit/access/ (Image shows RNIB logo. 'RNIB' written in black capital letters over a white background and underlined with a bold pink line, with the words 'See differently' underneath)

The Quote of the Day Show | Daily Motivational Talks
1924 | Harv Eker: “Don't Believe the Thoughts You Think.”

The Quote of the Day Show | Daily Motivational Talks

Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2024 12:15


On today's QOD, Harv Eker implores you to stop believing your programming. The disempowering thoughts that bubble up when you have a desire for something more are NOT TRUE! They're made up. When you build the habit of not believing the negative thoughts you think, you'll be free.Source: True Wealth  Hosted by Sean CroxtonFollow me on InstagramFollow The QOTD Show on Instagram

Unleashed Entertainment Talk
Action Packed Thursday May 2, 2024

Unleashed Entertainment Talk

Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2024 107:36


This is Unleashed , featuring Chip Matthews - Lindsey Beckham and D . Discussing real Mississippi Politics , Bills, An the Nationwide Far Left Agenda - Funding Both Sides . Sayin Part Of The Bible is NOT True ??? Get Ready People for alot of MASSIVE noise from now until November 2024 - All episodes are at www.unleashedentertainmenttalk.com 

Be Real with Us by The Path to Goals
No, You Don't Have a "Slow" Metabolism

Be Real with Us by The Path to Goals

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 8, 2024 63:23


Coach Chauntae and Alyssa dive into everyone's favorite topic- METABOLISM. We've all heard the saying that your metabolism slows down as you age but new research has confirmed this is NOT TRUE. Chauntae breaks down the study with over 6,000 participants from 29 different countries, breaks down the 4 different components that make up our metabolism, and what you can DO to actually boost your metabolism as you age. Coach Alyssa dives into how sleep and stress impacts our metabolism and science based tools to help you get better sleep, manage stress, and optimize your health outcomes. Enjoy! We want to hear from you!! Got questions?? We have answers! Ask us anything about nutrition, strength training, building muscle, or lifestyle and we'll answer them on them LIVE on the podcast! https://q0mq1cfl15k.typeform.com/to/LcIXinhx1:1 coaching application link: https://q0mq1cfl15k.typeform.com/to/hI15SiYq Client Testimonials: https://thepathtogoals.mykajabi.com/client-results

DFW Real Estate Weekly
The President Calls on Real Estate Agents to Lower Their Commissions!? WHAT!?

DFW Real Estate Weekly

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2024 47:04


President Biden responds to the NAR settlement saying, "This is the first time that homeowners have been able to negotiate their commissions..." NOT TRUE! And then HE ALSO SAID, "I am calling on Realtors to follow through on lowering their commissions to protect home buyers..." WHAT IN THE WORLD?!! Todd responds. We also discuss if real estate agents are going extinct just like travel agents? And 10 Myths to Buying a House!If you have questions for the show call or text 214-210-0008WATCH the full show here:https://youtu.be/abPYk18fa9k

Dimland Radio
Dimland Radio 2-17-24

Dimland Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2024 66:20


Our House, Super Bowl, Taylor Swift, Facebook Items, It's Not True: menstrual cycles, and something about hockey.   The show notes for this week's Dimland Radio are here: https://dimland.com/2024/02/19/dimland-radio-2-17-24-show-notes/

Liberty Roundtable Podcast
Radio Show Hour 1 – 02/14/2024

Liberty Roundtable Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2024 54:50


* Guests: Lance Migliaccio, George Balloutine, Hosts of The Big Mig Podcast / Videocast Powered by Truth! - TheBigMig.com * Guest: Tony Lyons, Tony has an estimated net worth of over $600-million, Not True! He successfully raised approximately $28M by the end of 2023 for RFK Jr's Campaign, True! - SkyHorsePublishing.com * RFK SuperPAC AV24 (American Values Super Pac) - AV24.org * Mr. Lyons: The DNC is in panic mode and rolling out tired old political games. We gladly accept donations from across the political spectrum. * Voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump in Iowa because they are tired of the lawfare and the corruption trying to keep Trump off the ballot in states across the country. * We feel tremendous momentum on the ballot access front. Utah is secured and now we are getting ready to launch in Michigan on the 22nd. * We don't want people to be censored, vilified, or de-platformed. We want rigorous debate. We want candidates to get on stage with opponents and argue their ideas, policies, and what they will do as President. We need to let the people vote. * All these forces coming together claim they want to protect us, but they are trying to control us – what to do, what to think, what to put into our bodies, and who we are allowed to vote for. That is fundamentally un-American, and it should not stand in this country. It does not matter whether you agree with the person; whether Joe Biden, Donald Trump, or Bobby Kennedy - it matters because we have certain principles in this country that must be defended. * DNC files federal complaint alleging RFK Jr.'s super PAC is working too closely with his campaign - AP.

Andy In The Morning - Majic 95.1
This Disney Rumor is NOT True! & Andy's Leaky Basement

Andy In The Morning - Majic 95.1

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2024 18:29


This Disney Rumor is NOT True! & Andy's Leaky Basement

Cancer Freedom Podcast
These Foods are Causing Cancer (SCIENCE REVEALS)

Cancer Freedom Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 28, 2023 13:57


The food you eat has the power to either FIGHT or FUEL your cancer. Here's what you need to know.   Everyone claims that there is so much “conflicting information” online about what to eat after cancer but that is actually NOT TRUE!  Everyone is trying to make eating for cancer prevention much more complicated than it actually is.   Here are 7 foods you need to AVOID to help you stay cancer free.   So let me show you how it's done.   Get your FREE copy of “15 Cancer Recovery Recipes for Women” here: Click HERE https://bit.ly/RecoveryRecipesYT   ***PS - Whenever you're ready, here are the 2 best ways I can help you… 1) “15 Simple Cancer Recovery Recipes for Women"  Click HERE https://bit.ly/RecoveryRecipesYT   2) Join the Cancer Freedom Program Click HERE https://bit.ly/CFPYT   ***Let's Connect: Website: www.cancerfreedomprogram.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dramymorris/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dramycancerrecovery YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUt9... Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amydeepharmd

The Police Applicant Podcast
November 2023 - We got a negative critique! WHAT?

The Police Applicant Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 24, 2023 13:09


We got a negative comment saying all our content used to be free, but now you have to pay for all of the episodes. NOT TRUE! Here's Ken's response. _______________ Become a subscriber for only $4.99 per month! Go to ⁠www.podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pdbackgrounds/subscribe ------------------- Contact Ken: ken[at sign]policebackground.net Contact Minerva: minerva[at sign]policebackground.net Contact Donovan: donovan[at sign]policebackground.net ***You're now able to support the podcast!*** Monthly donations: https://anchor.fm/pdbackgrounds/support One-time donations: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=VM6AE5B2A6VF2 Go here for background consultation information: www.policebackground.net --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pdbackgrounds/message

WMMR's Preston & Steve Daily Podcast
Daily Podcast (10.10.23)

WMMR's Preston & Steve Daily Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2023 220:15


Best Of Preston & Steve ShowOn this episode:Odds & Ends – Lightening & Ninjas (00:00:00)Underrated But Now Overrated Things (00:31:16)Kathy Fostering Chickens (01:00:31)Open Marriages (01:27:53) Bizarre Files (01:55:27)Facts You Know are Not True (02:06:09)More Stressful – Divorce OR Moving? (02:46:11)Bizarre Files (03:11:17)Hollywood Trash & Brandon Boyd (03:19:31)

Bragg-About Life Podcast
69. Organizing vs Decluttering - I'll Never Be a Professional Organizer

Bragg-About Life Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2023 18:59


Organizing vs Decluttering "You're a professional organizer, right?"  NOPE!   Even though I help working women Create a Home That Takes Care of Itself, I find myself explaining time and again - it's very hard to create an organized home if we start with organizing. Decluttering and organizing are two terms that get used interchangeably, but they serve 2 different purposes.  When we understand what those purposes are, then we can use them accordingly.  In this episode, I explain why Decluttering, when done to completing, is SUPERIOR and EASIER than jumping straight into Organizing - even if you hired a Professional Organizer to do it all for you!. By the way - this is not a criticism of professional organizers either - they are gifted people who are amazing at what they do!   This is for the average woman who feels like she is "not naturally organized".  What if that's NOT TRUE?    

I Like That Story
S5- 40- 1st Mistake in Winging Retirement

I Like That Story

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2023 7:37


"I don't really like my job- so retirement will automatically be WAY better" - NOT TRUE. Three big rocks are in the way of a happy retirement- this is the first one - enjoy!

Sunday Talks 2010
True but Not Right, Right but Not True

Sunday Talks 2010

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 24, 2023 78:24


This Dhamma talk was given by Ajahn Kongrit Ratanawanno on 14 September 2023 at Amaravati Buddhist Monastery, UK. The post True but Not Right, Right but Not True appeared first on Amaravati Buddhist Monastery.

Weight Loss for Dentists
080 3 Ways To Handle Negative Thoughts

Weight Loss for Dentists

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2023 24:29


Negative thoughts come in all flavors and varieties, and you might think that some people are exempt from having them, NOT TRUE. Everyone has them! Remember: what you focus on grows. Focus on negativity IT WILL GROW. Focus on positivity IT WILL GROW! In this episode we'll cover three ways you can help yourself handle negative thoughts!Free masterclass: Make Decisions With Confidence And Stop Second Guessing YourselfClick here to take the FREE Dentist Burnout Assessment.Schedule a consultation with Dr. Natanya to learn more about 1:1 coaching by going to drnatanya.com/connect.Check out Dr. Natanya's website here: drnatanya.comFollow Dr. Natanya on Instagram: www.instagram.com/dr.natanyaFollow Dr. Natanya on Facebook: www.facebook.com/drnatanyaIf you find this podcast helpful, please subscribe, leave a review and share it with a friend!

The City Girl Savings Podcast
How to Be Happy with Frugal Living with Vee Frugal Fox

The City Girl Savings Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2023 51:00


I think there's a common misconception that if you're frugal, you're cheap. You don't spend money on things you enjoy and you never leave the house. NOT TRUE! Living a frugal life means you're intentional with your money decisions and you tend to only spend on things that matter or spark joy. Let's release the stigma around frugality and work towards leading a more financially-intentional life.  One person who seems to do this well is Vee Weir from Vee Frugal Fox and Founder of Weir Digital Marketing! In this episode, Vee is sharing her financial freedom journey, how she happily leads a frugal life and all the roadblocks along the way. Here's a glance at this episode: [03:40] Vee shares her story working towards financial freedom and how Dave Ramsey played a role in her journey. [10:25] Vee paid off over $50,000 in debt in about a year. She breaks down some of the lessons learned during that year. [21:08] Frugality is akin to values-based spending and Vee talks about how the two ways of being are connected. [33:45] Budgeting can be as simple or as complicated as you make it. Vee opens up about meeting budgeting wherever you're at. [43:00] Vee shares how her money conversations changed throughout her two marriages.   Subscribe, Rate, Review, & Follow on Apple Podcasts This helps me support more people — just like you — to make the best money moves as they make their way to their dream life.   Resources mentioned in this episode: Follow Vee on Instagram Get your question answered on the podcast! Ask your question here. Struggling with your finances? Request a call with me (and get a budget)! Follow City Girl Savings on Instagram Follow City Girl Savings on TikTok Join the City Girl Savings Facebook Group Subscribe to the City Girl Savings Newsletter! Check out the City Girl Savings blog!

Divergent Conversations
Episode 6: Challenging Stigma Around Autistic Therapists

Divergent Conversations

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2023 44:40 Transcription Available


There can be a lot of stigma around autism and especially being an autistic therapist, which can make it even harder for autistic individuals to step into this career. They may even be told that they can't be empathetic or relate to others in a way that could help their clients, which is just NOT TRUE. If you are autistic and have been hesitating to step into the mental health field because of the stigma around autism, then this episode is for you. Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode: Understand how being autistic can make you a better therapist for other neurodivergent clients, often more so than an allistic (not of the autism spectrum) therapist. Identify ways to combat the notion that autistic people can't make good therapists, as well as how to navigate grad school when you are receiving a negative perspective on autism from professors or supervisors.  Learn how to structure a private practice to support your needs and create a stable work environment for more longevity in your career as a therapist. When Dr. Megan Neff was asked why they became a therapist, the answer was "because I'm autistic." This episode can help you explore in what ways autism can help you succeed as a therapist, as well as in what ways you might struggle and how to face those times. Check out the resources on Megan's website to learn how you can find a Neurodivergent Affirming Therapist: https://neurodivergentinsights.com/resources    Transcript PATRICK CASALE: Hey everyone, you're listening to another episode of Divergent Conversations Podcast. I'm your cohost, Patrick Casale. MEGAN NEFF: And I'm Dr. Neff. PATRICK CASALE: And today we are going to talk about our journey into becoming therapists and maybe what we would be doing if we weren't masking and if we weren't therapists. So, Megan, you wanted to start this topic up, so take it away. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, I guess I've got kind of two prongs that have informed my interest in this topic. One, I get this in my DMs and my emails a lot from either students who are going through programs, autistic, ADHD students going through programs, who are interacting with the ableism in the system and just being like, "How did you do this? How do you become a therapist? Do I come out as an autistic therapist?" So, one, just I get a lot of questions around this. And then, the second reason… oh, or people who aren't necessarily in training, but they're thinking about going into training, but they're terrified about the process of becoming an autistic therapist.  The second reason is I… So, I did something kind of impulsive, but like, also, I've been thinking about it for a few years. But I don't know if you're like this where you're thinking about something and then you just are like, "Yes." And then you're all in. So, I did that where I applied for a psychoanalytic relational institute that would start next year. And whenever you're applying for things like programs or internships, the classic question is, why did you become a therapist? And I typically start with some, like, beautiful Martin Buber quote. Martin Buber is a Jewish philosopher who is definitely a special interest of mine, who talks a lot about, like, authentic human encounter.  But what I found myself saying instead of some Martin Buber quote, for the first time, I said, "I became a therapist, because I'm autistic." And so much of the messaging is we become therapists despite our autism versus, like, because of our autism. So, that just started a train of thought. This last week, I was really curious about around the intersection of how autism informed me becoming a therapist, how it influences, and then for other people as well, who might be interested in entering this profession. That was a very long-winded way of answering your question, Patrick? PATRICK CASALE: I think it's a perfectly Megan Anna way of answering my questions. MEGAN NEFF: It is a very autistic Megan Anna way of answering your question. I like barely remember what your question was at this point. But I think it was something about why the heck are we talking about this today? PATRICK CASALE: And so, you're talking about the DMs you're getting from people who are experiencing ableism in their program, how the hell did you get to this? When do I start? Like, how do I come out and openly disclose? Right? That's a piece, but you mentioned like, did I become a therapist, because I'm autistic? Instead of despite of- MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Can you kind of go a little deeper on that. Like, elaborate more on what you mean by that?  MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Because I'm curious for the audience, like, yeah, so if you're coming to terms of I became a therapist, because I'm autistic, because… I don't know what that means for you? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. Gosh, like, there's so many ways that inform that. I think one of the first things that comes to my mind is the hot potato phenomena. So, I'm curious if you relate to this, but ever since I was little, like, I've struggled with social-based questions, which is very common for autistic people. So, even now, like, my sister who I'm fairly close with, when we interact, she will often start with how are you? And now uncomfortable just be like, "I don't know how to answer that, Sarah." But when I was younger, whenever someone would ask me a question about my personhood, I'd have kind of that mini-freeze response. So, it felt like I was holding the hot potato in the conversation. And it was like, "Okay, how do I get them holding the hot potato." And I became very strategic with getting the other person talking.  And here's the thing, people like to talk about themselves. And so, I learned that pretty young. And so, I got really skilled as an adaptation to my social struggles at drawing the other person out.  And this is what's so interesting, right? If you look closely at my dialogues throughout life, I do struggle with reciprocal communication, but it wasn't obvious, because what I was doing was, I was not the reciprocal person in many of my conversations. I was drawing the other person out, getting them talking. So, people won't leave a conversation being like, "That was weird." They'd usually leave a conversation being like, "Oh, I felt seen, and understood, and that person's really curious about me." And that was a really sophisticated adaptation to my social struggles. So, that's one reason. I'm curious, first, like hot potato phenomena, do you relate to that at all? PATRICK CASALE: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think that it's such a great way to turn the conversation around and take the pressure and the focus off of you. I'm just like, oh, I'm uncomfortable, but I know how to make this person comfortable and I can be that mirror for them, I can be that place to reflect, and be really curious, and be really interested.  And learning that at such a young age is so fascinating when we start thinking back about our childhood experience and how we kind of navigated the world and made it, "safe" for ourselves. And I think that that, obviously, does allow for that person to feel taken care of, it allows them to feel heard, and validated, and seen coming away from the conversation probably like, "Megan is the best friend in the world. They listen so well. Like, they make me feel so much better." And I think that also, maybe at such a young age does something to our own sense of self when someone's like- MEGAN NEFF: Oh, my gosh,  PATRICK CASALE: "Oh, You're really good at this. Like, you are a really good listener, caretaker." Whatever the qualifier is [CROSSTALK 00:06:27]. MEGAN NEFF: And that becomes their sense of self-worth and value, absolutely. PATRICK CASALE: Exactly, yeah. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah. Because it's our social currency. And I knew that, like, this is how I develop social currency. And it also, like, yes, it was more comfortable for the other person, but it's also more comfortable for me. Like, those conversations also did feel good to me, because it felt like, for one, I genuinely am curious about people, so that probably helps. But also, it just felt good to be that presence. I noticed that I was really interested in my doctoral program. What I noticed was I struggled to get close to people in my cohort. And what I did is I took on a role of mentor. Like, I TA'd all the classes and when I looked at my week, I was like, all of my social interactions are mentorships. And so, becoming a mentor is how I figured out a way to socially connect in a way that worked, because of the hot potato. Like, that's your role when you're a mentor, is to create space for the other. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, absolutely. And it's fulfilling a lot of different needs by taking on that mentorship role or the helper role. And it's, also, I think, you know, thinking about my own journey into becoming a helper and a therapist is just the fact that it takes so much of the pressure, again, like you're saying, off of ourselves to have to be the center of attention. And I think if you're used to that, and that's been kind of your experience throughout life, it is a really great profession, because, you know, I'm not in there to talk about myself. I do disclose, I think that's necessary for connecting with any sort of neurodivergent client of mine, but like, I also just know and acknowledge that these 60 minutes doesn't have to be about me. And that takes all the pressure off of like, how am I supposed to show up, and act, and engage, and interact? MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, and it provides such a tight frame, like, these 60 minutes. So, I think we briefly mentioned we're both avoidant attached, like our structure, but I love intense authentic connection, which I also think is an artistic thing, which I think is one reason I became a therapist is my craving for the authentic.  But I really struggle with maintenance of friendships. Like, I don't have friends, Patrick. Like, you are probably the closest thing to a friend in my life right now. And it's because we have a frame around work that we interact. Like, I don't really do friendship, partly because of the maintenance.  And for longtime friends, when I have had them, they've felt like a thing to maintain. I realize that sounds terrible. But I think it has to do with how limited my social resources are, the fact that when I do have friends I struggle to bring myself versus kind of foster conversation. So, there's a lot of things that go into that.  But what I love about therapy is it's a tight frame, I am present to that person for 60 minutes, and I'm very present, and that's the frame. There's not an expectation. I mean, obviously, there's charting and if there's like email correspondence that needs to happen, but there's no expectations outside of that frame around how you're going to maintain this relationship, whereas, in other relationships, it's like, "Well, you haven't texted me for six weeks or you haven't…" Like, there's all that maintenance that goes into it that's really, really hard for me. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, yeah, that's such a good point. And I just want to circle back. I feel honored to be… MEGAN NEFF: My only friend.  PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, your only friend right now. MEGAN NEFF: Do you have friends? PATRICK CASALE: I do. Yeah. I mean, I find it challenging. Like, it's a weird… I'm trying to put cohesive thoughts together right now.  MEGAN NEFF: It's hard. PATRICK CASALE: It is hard. I think that my experience is that people often are more attracted to me socially or in terms of friendship than I am to them, and- MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, I get that. PATRICK CASALE: I have a lot of people who consider me to be, like, one of their closer friends, when in reality, like, I don't really know that much about them nor do they know much about me. So, that's always a strange dynamic. But I mean, I've always been a part of soccer teams and just, I think, that having that type of like, cohesive camaraderie has been really helpful for me, because you don't really have to show up to a team sport with the intention of making friendships or developing relationships. It's like, you're there for a common goal, right? Like, our goal- MEGAN NEFF: It's kind of all play, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Exactly. And you're there to just perform as a unit. And like- MEGAN NEFF: Sounds so nice, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: …that's my solace. Like, I'm not a religious human being, but when I get to the soccer field is like my teammates, still, to this day will make fun of me, because I show up, like, an hour early, and they'll show up like 12 minutes before kickoff, and I'm like, "How are you fucking doing this? Like, I need to stretch? But I just find that that is the one place in my life where I have, like, just complete relief, where you and I have talked about that constant buzz, and that discomfort, and that anxiety, and that everything that is our experience, but like that is the place where that is gone, it's just vacancy, it's just like, complete silence. And I think that, for me, is the most peaceful place on Earth. I've realized diverging way over here now.  But yeah, so I do have some friends. I would say that even if I have people who I like a lot, and I spend time with, and I consistently communicate with, I still feel disconnected from them. I don't feel like we're, like, always attuned or in sync, because I think I also keep myself at a distance. And if we socialize, it's got to be at my house, it's got to be at the places I'd be comfortable going. And I imagine that's challenging for some of them who are like, "I don't want to fucking go to this place, like, for the 100th time. Like, I don't want to come to your house. How come you never come to my house?" But that is the nature of a lot of my relationships, for sure. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean [CROSSTALK 00:13:12] we're on a rabbit trail, but maybe not. I also wonder… So, one of the things I learned early in the, like, autism research discovery phase was how autistic people do better in kind of structured social interactions where they have a frame. So, like, it could be as simple as if you're at a party, you become the person that washes the dishes. Like, you have a role and that's so helpful. And I so resonate with that. But I wonder if part of becoming a therapist is it gives a role to the really deep way of interacting with other humans. And so, it is a more tolerable way of socially connecting, and a way of connecting really deeply, and really meaningfully. So, I wonder if the struggle around social connection and the desire for social connection is one of the reasons that we became therapists or the other autistic people might become therapists. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think that's spot on. I also want to give you credit for looping me back in. You know, it's usually the other way around, so… MEGAN NEFF: Are you more in your ADHD brain today? PATRICK CASALE: Majorly. I've got Ireland coming up next week. My brain is so scattered. But I think you're right. I think it's that deep desire to have connection. And having that regimented, structured, almost like this is what to expect in this environment, this is what's allowable, this is what's not, this is what we talk about, this is what we don't, then we have these clear boundaries for the most part of like, okay, after that 60 minutes, not that you don't think about your feelings after that 60 minutes, but like you don't have the pressure and responsibility is no longer on you. And I do think that it allows you to have that human connection, that empathy that so many people misconstrue and misunderstand like, the mythology of like, "Autistic people can't be empathetic, and they can't like connect with other people." And that's fucking bullshit. But [CROSSTALK 00:15:16]. MEGAN NEFF: Right, right so many of us are hyper empathetic, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Right, like, it has to be deep. You mentioned depth connection and I think therapy allows you to have consistent depth connection.  MEGAN NEFF: Like, it's so… the word oxygen is coming to my mind. It's oxygenating to have deep human connections. The small talk is not oxygenating for us. I saw a study once, so like small talk releases dopamine for non-autistic people's brain. I was like, "Wow, that must be nice, no wonder they do this nonsensical thing." But one thing I told my therapist awhile back was, and forgive me if I've said this on this podcast before, but I was like, "I feel like I don't have social ligaments." Like, so ligaments what make our body move. But I'm really good when we get into the muscle. So, like, once I'm in a deep conversation I'm good. But like the transition, the small talk, getting into that conversation, getting out of it. And therapy, it's mostly all muscle, especially, now that I work primarily with autistic clients, we just jump right in. Like, I love it. My clients, we don't do the, like, small talk five minutes.  When I was working with non-autistic clients there would still be like, typically, a five-minute small talk before you get into the session. And with autistic clients is more like they're just like, "Okay, this is what's on my mind. Let's go." So, I love that it's okay I don't have social ligaments as a therapist. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, I think that takes a lot of that unnecessary energy, emotional labor, and energy for us out of the equation, you know? And I've been trying to be mindful, not just for our sake in the dynamic, but like my own sake of like, when we get into the Zoom Room not being like, "Megan, how are you doing?" And then you're looking at me and be like, "Stop fucking asking me that." MEGAN NEFF: I literally was just thinking about how I was like, "Patrick, can we just hit record when we get into the Zoom Room?" I wonder if that was my way of saying like, can we just get to the muscle and not try and do the social ligament thing because I don't like that. PATRICK CASALE: I think that's it. And it helps me too, because I don't like it either. And I think that it's just allowing for that state where you feel the most at home, or natural, or at peace in terms of however we can do those things. And I just think that as a therapist, you know, having that empathetic reflection process going deep, being curious, asking questions, like, it's really a lovely experience, and one that we don't often have in our day-to-day.  And it makes me think of clients who I had starting off like in private practice where I didn't know I was autistic. I also didn't know who I was, as a therapist. I was just, like, trying to figure out how to be in private practice. And the artificiality, the small talk, the clients who weren't ready to go deeper, the clients who weren't a great fit or who probably, you know, it just felt like pulling teeth a lot of the time, and I just noticed how irritated I would get, and how, like, bored I would get too where I was just like, "Okay, do we really talk about this thing over and over and over again?" MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah, PATRICK CASALE: You know, I want to think about one thing too. Like, we are so good at absorbing other people's energy and picking up on how people are experiencing the world, especially, people who are struggling. Like, we have that fucking radar where we're like, "I can tell this person's really having a hard time." And you and I talked about this last week, where we were talking about, like, talking to just folks who maybe were homeless, and people who are struggling, people who were just like, really obviously, having a hard time to us, and just really picking up on that and wanting to be curious, wanting to talk, wanting to support.  And I think that helps with being a good therapist, because that intuition, that ability to read body language so quickly, because we've gotten so accustomed to having to do that, and facial expressions, and eye movement, everything that goes into tracking, because we're tracking all the time anyway. MEGAN NEFF: So, okay, here's a provocative question. We're talking about the traumatized parts of being autistic, right? The adaptations we made to socially blend in, the hyper vigilance we have needed to have around other people to decode their body language, and how that has made us therapists. So, essentially, I think we're saying we became therapists out of our trauma. So, what do we do with that when we're both therapists?  Well, actually, let's pretend you're still seeing clients. We're both in this profession. And we now are looking back being like, "Oh, my trauma brought me here." Like, does that take the meaning away for you? Like, how does that shape how you think about this profession if our trauma's what brought us here?  And I think that's too reductionistic of a narrative. I realize it's also our empathy. But it's a both and, it's a mixed narrative. But it does seem like our artistic trauma around masking is a big piece for both of us that brought us to this profession. So, does that shape how you experience it for you? PATRICK CASALE: That's such a good question. I think that my conceptualization of being a therapist, because you know, for those of you who don't know, I also am a therapist in private practice and entrepreneur coach. So, like, a lot of my time is spent with therapists now not clients in therapy, but therapists who are working on the emotional and psychological side of business ownership. And this is just my take on therapists in general, not just autistic therapists, that so many therapists have become therapists because of their trauma histories, because of their healing journey. MEGAN NEFF: That's true.  PATRICK CASALE: But here's the thing that I think happens, a lot of therapists get into this work to heal their trauma through the work that they do. MEGAN NEFF: Yep, which is fine if you have awareness that that's what's happening. It's really dangerous if that's happening and you're unaware. That's where therapists can do a lot of harm, I think. PATRICK CASALE: Absolutely, 100%. Like, everyone who's a therapist has their own story, has their own struggles. We're humans. I mean, we've all experienced it. It probably was a catalyst and a positive factor in terms of what do I want to be when I grow up which I [INDISCERNIBLE 00:22:16], but anyway, but I still don't know at 36 what the fuck do I want to be when I grow up. But I do think, like, without that awareness, yes, very damaging.  But everyone has gotten into this field for a reason. But the difference, I think, is what I see with autistic therapists, is that you're not necessarily trying to heal yourself through the work that you're doing, you were brought to the work because of the masking trauma, and trauma that you've endured throughout life. But that's your only way of acknowledging how to be. So, I don't know if that necessarily changes, because you're helping other people understand this and process their own emotions and feelings.  Like, I just think that when I'm in the therapy room, this is the only way I know how to be and the therapy room is the only place that I'm actually allowed to do this in a way where it's actually professionally helpful in that lens, because that's the only way I know how to show up. But you have to mask so often in so many other arenas. You don't always get to show up like this. And as a therapist, especially, like yourself, Megan, like working specifically with autistic clients, I imagine that feels so fucking freeing for you [CROSSTALK 00:23:36]. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, it's amazing, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, like, you already know going into these relationships, "I get to just show up and be real." And I think that feels really liberating. And a lot of people don't get to experience that. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, it does feel really different and it's been a while, but you know, even last year, I had some people I was working with who weren't neurodivergent and I don't do that anymore and it's for a reason. It's because it does feel a lot more like masking. Yeah, it feels so freeing. It's the biggest kind of privilege and gift to come out of the last few years, is the ability to pivot to work with autistic clients. And I really feel for therapists who A aren't out, and B aren't able to curate their client load in that way, because it's really hard. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, it is. I mean, and it's really hard. And that's where the misfiring happens, you know, that's when you start to doubt your ability as a therapist too, because the outcomes aren't there, the relationships aren't being established and, you know, that goes further than autistic therapists in general. I mean, that's just rapport 101, but I do think for us it's an even deeper, more important, even, like, absolutely necessary component of the work that we do.  MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah. And it's so interesting, if you saw me work as a therapist a couple of years to how I am now it's just so different. Like, before I would rarely self-disclose. Like, if someone's, you know, "Do you have children?" I'd maybe say yes, but then I'd like think through the pros and cons of self-disclosing that and maybe ask them like, why they needed to know that? You know, all that, like, turn-around of like, "Well, what would that mean to you if I had children?"  I self-disclose so much now and I still am very reflective of why am I self-disclosing? Who is this for? Like, I've got my kind of filter I run through. But I think it was actually on a podcast you did with Joel Schwartz where you talked about how like, autistic people need, like, we need autistic mentors in the sense of we need, like, we don't have stories. And so, sharing from our lived experience in the context of therapy can be really appropriate.  And I come from a more like psychodynamic lens where self-disclosure is very restrictive. So, that's been a really interesting shift in my therapy to think about self-disclosure so differently. But yeah, I'm just so different in the therapy room as a therapist than I was two years ago. PATRICK CASALE: You know, that's interesting to see the transition and evolution. And I'm thinking about my own journey too. Like, I haven't seen therapy clients in about six months now. But the ones that I was seeing before my throat surgery were all neurodivergent clients. And most of them were coming to terms of being autistic. And I just realized that you start to really attract the right clients when you're able to unmask and disclose yourself, like, as a professional. It really does empower the client to say like, "Fuck, finally, a therapist who's going to get it." Instead of like having to guess if you're going to understand or be affirmative. And I think we have an idea to do an episode about seeking out neurodivergent affirmative or neurodiversity affirmative therapy. And you know, you're playing this guessing game, a lot of the time, if someone doesn't come out and say, "This is who I specialize in working with and why?" And, you know, I do think that that disclosure piece is so crucial. And, you know, processing special interests in therapy is unbelievably therapeutic. But then, if you get caught up in the like, "How do I present this to the insurance company? And how do I talk about talk about the fact that you like talked about Lord of the Rings for 16 minutes?" But it's so unbelievably validating for you to be able to support someone who's autistic by diving deep into their special interests. MEGAN NEFF: I think you call that we engaged in coregulation and self-soothing. But that is what makes it, like, therapy, right? It's at the end of the hour then it's like, where were you during this hour? What was that like for you, for us to connect in this way? And that's that reflection, then at the end of talking about special interests you're connecting in ways that might not typically be thought of as therapeutic. That's, I think, what then makes it therapeutic is, then it's like, oh, yeah, I do feel connected to you. And it's because we're having an object-based conversation, not a social-based conversation or we're connecting around interests not this.  I had a thought and then it I think it's gone. But I am a little curious, because the other part unless I'm, like, cutting off thoughts that you have around this, but the other part of the conversation was around people who are maybe in training programs or thinking about going through training programs. Like, I've heard some pretty horrendous stuff from people, like, things such as my professor said that you can't be autistic and a therapist. Like, this is the kind of things they're hearing in classes and from their professors, I mean, not even to talk about just the executive functioning and sensory overload of making it through a program but to be hearing from your professor's things such as autistic people can't be therapists. Like, do you have any words of encouragement, or like what would you say to people who are thinking about entering this profession? Who are in training? I'm giving you the hot potato by saying what are your words of encouragement for this really? PATRICK CASALE: Well, you know, I think what immediately comes up is kind of like rage, so then I have to center myself to think about how I want to respond appropriately. One, if you're listening to this, and you're in a program, and that's your experience, I think that we both just want to send you our deepest sincerest apologies, because not only can you be a therapist as an autistic person, you can be a fucking wonderful therapist as an autistic person. Your abilities to show up authentically set you apart from those who cannot. And I know so many therapists who went through a program and don't even get me started on the assembly line process of grad school at this point in time, but just have never done their own deep, reflective, oriented work.  And I believe wholeheartedly that that sets us apart, because if you're willing to go deep and you're willing to have the hard conversations, you're going to be able to hold that space for your clients, you're going to be able to show up the way that they need you to show up when the conversation takes a turn from your connections and associations with the Lord of the Rings to like, "Hey, I'm actively suicidal and struggling with A, B, and C." You can't show up for your clients if you cannot be in that space. Like, if you can't go deep, if you can't sit with that discomfort, if you can't mirror back and forth, if you can't really pick up on what's happening behind the scenes for your clients. Like, these are so important. And we're all so gifted at doing these things.  We're going to hear this, right? Like, from professors, from agency, community mental health providers, and supervisors like, "You can't have these accommodations, you can't stim in class, you can't move, you can't fidget, you're disruptive." The same shit that we've heard all of our lives, or some professors pushing ABA therapy, or whatever the case may be. But in reality, like, there's such a big movement right now and Megan, I'm proud to say that you're one of the people leading that charge in terms of like, showing up and helping destigmatize, and work on de-pathologizing what it's like to be an autistic human being, MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, thanks for like, taking the hot potato and you have a way with words that I don't. Like, you should be in charge of the encouragement pieces on the podcast. I'm not able to encourage in the same way that you are, which is probably why I'm an analytic therapist, and not like a… no, but thank you. That was moving to hear you say those words. PATRICK CASALE: Thanks. And, you know, I think we could have a whole episode on this, maybe that informs next week's conversation, but not only how to seek support as a grad school student or a new therapist in the profession, how to find your own ND affirmative therapy. Like, we've got to be talking about this more. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, absolutely. I just put up a handful of directories on my website, which we can link to. And thankfully, like, the directories that are out there are, I mean, they're small, but they're growing every week, to where I think it's becoming more of a feasible option even a year ago, because that is the number one DM I get is like help me find a therapist. And in the last year, I've seen a lot of growth, and I think it will continue to.  So, yeah, there are some neurodivergent affirming directories or even just knowing, yeah, like what to search for or what to ask, we should definitely do a podcast on that. That'd be really helpful. PATRICK CASALE: This will help me next week when I message you and I'm like, "What do you want to talk about today?" But now we- MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, let's talk about how to find a neurodivergent affirming therapist and like, yeah, like what questions you should ask. One of the things that's hard is, it's so hard to find any therapist right now without a waitlist, that like the interview process of interviewing your therapist to become your therapist isn't really happening in the same way, because just getting in with any therapist, for most people is kind of the goal if you're in crisis. If you are wanting to do the deeper reflective work and can wait on a waitlist for six months, then you've got more options. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, and we can talk about that next week too. I have a group practice, I have 15 therapists who work at that practice. It's so hard to turn clients away when you know that they can't find that support anywhere else. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, when you can't refer them. Yeah, that's so hard. PATRICK CASALE: It's so hard. And it's so much more than just saying like, we have ND lived experience, right? Autistic group practice owner, autistic clinicians, ADHD clinicians, you got to do the work, too. I mean, it's not as simple as just like saying, I'm an anti-oppressive Black Lives Matter anti-racist therapist, you got to do the fucking work. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, these are easy words to say now, but it's like, okay, the language is right. But does it match? Is the person doing the work? I love that, yeah. PATRICK CASALE: Are the values consistent? And it does mean hiring consultants and trainers to come in with lived experience who are experts in the field to help you continue to grow. Again, I'm diverging.  I want to talk quickly. You know, I'm just being aware of time too, the double empathy bind to you, too.  MEGAN NEFF: Oh, yeah.  PATRICK CASALE: I want to talk about that because what happens, right? Is we mentioned this, alluded to this earlier, and a lot of you who are listening who may become therapists in grad school programs or therapist's, whatever the case may be may have been told by society that autistic people cannot be empathetic, cannot hold space, cannot be attuned. Megan, your thoughts?  MEGAN NEFF: Oh, yeah, I love the double empathy [CROSSTALK 00:36:20]. Yeah, I love Milton's work. And so, did you know that they, like, did an empirical study to follow up with this theory? Okay, so can I dunk for like five minutes?  PATRICK CASALE: Sure. MEGAN NEFF: So, yeah, the theory comes from Damian Milton. I think I've got that name, right. I'll correct it in the notes if not, but believe he's a sociologist in the UK who is autistic. And it's this idea that… And by empathy… So, there's different kinds of empathy and what he's really talking, I think, primarily about cognitive empathy and perspective taking and this whole like theory of mind idea of, yes, autistic people struggle to understand neurotypical people's theory of mind, but also the neurotypical or allistic person struggles to understand the autistic theory of mind. But autistic people understand autistic people. So, it's a cross-neuro-type interaction. It's not that there is a deficit in the autistic person's theory of mind or ability to consider the subjectivity of another person.  So, there's a follow-up study done by another group of researchers who were like, "Let's test this theory." So, what they did is they had groups of dyads. So, they had three different groups. They had autistic to autistic parents, non–autistic–non–autistic, and then autistic-non-autistic parents. And they had them either do some sort of activity or have a conversation that was structured and then, after the interaction, they each rated the report. And report was just like how easy was it to connect with the other person.  Now, if we're going with the deficit model of autism, you would think that the autistic to autistic partners would struggle the most, because you'd have two people with social communication deficits trying to interact, right? And so, if that's true, then that would be the worst. And then, the autistic-non-autistic parent, the non-autistic person could like, hold up, you know, the non-autistic person by all of their social awesomeness. But if the double empathy problem was right then you wouldn't see that.  And that's exactly what they found. The report was the highest among non-autistic-non-autistic, second highest among autistic-autistic, and lowest among autistic-non-autistic, so cross neuro-type.  They did a follow-up study where people were watching videos and reported them. And the autistic - autistic parents were actually the highest report of observers, which was really interesting.  So, what this research essentially shows is that it is a cross-neuro type interaction that makes it harder to build rapport, harder to understand what the other person's thinking, not an autistic, like innate deficit that is baked into us. It is a dynamic that happens between two people. PATRICK CASALE: I love the way you laid that out. And that just speaks volumes to how ableism has misconstrued how we kind of perceive autistic people to be able to interact, too. And I think that, you know, we can say that it's… you can all think about your friend groups and your social relationships or anyone that you feel connected to. And I would encourage you to think about that, like, neuro-type interaction, and communication. How easy does it feel to fall into communication and conversation, and socializing? How easy does it feel to be able to build connection and rapport?  And as therapists, this is a crucial component of our work. Building rapport is the foundation. I think if you don't have it, it doesn't matter how good of a therapist you are, the client's not going to have a great therapeutic experience, and vice versa. And it just speaks volumes to the ability to do so and to really come alongside and easily kind of drop into relationships. So, I do think that's a really important thing to remember. And Megan, again, loved the way you laid that out very, very clearly, too. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, I love that study, because I think it gives us empirical grounding to start talking and training therapists of thinking through cross-neuro type interactions through a cross-cultural lens that that is how therapists should be approaching. So much of the training is just kind of gross to hear how you should engage your autistic clients. Like, it is so much more enlivening and expansive to talk about it. Like, this is a cross-neuro type interaction, a cross-cultural interaction that's happening, leading with intellectual humility and curiosity as we would in any cross-cultural therapeutic dyad. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, absolutely. I actually interviewed an autistic therapist on my other podcast yesterday and she was just talking about the frustration around grad school programs really not getting this right. And honestly, hardly ever fucking talking about it. So, we need to have more courses popping up in grad school programs on how to work with neurodivergent clients and not just simply a glimpse of like, oh, yeah, these are some disorders in the DSM. MEGAN NEFF: Well, and when it is talked about it's typically talked about in children. And here's the thing is, like, we're in therapy, right? We know that so many of us have PTSD, substance abuse problems, anxiety disorders, depression. Like, the list goes on and on, we're in therapy. I think programs don't realize that, they don't realize that we're in therapy, we're diagnosed with other things often, and we're being treated for other things, but we're there. And programs will really need to be thinking about this in the next, well, yesterday, but in the next 5, 10 years, I really hope that they start seriously considering how do we work with neurodivergent adults. PATRICK CASALE: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, those neurodivergent kiddos become neurodivergent adults. It's not like, you know, autistic kiddo, then all of a sudden no more autism. I like to think about it as like the ADHD or autism is the foundation of the house and the PTSD, the substance use, the depression is the furniture. MEGAN NEFF: Oh, I like that metaphor. That's helpful. PATRICK CASALE: And I think it all starts to come together when you start to realize like, if this is baseline, right, and then you're experiencing these symptoms of mental health because of neurodevelopmental condition. MEGAN NEFF: Well, yeah, so then if you're treating the PTSD, so you're getting new furniture, but like the foundation of the house is cracking and breaking, because you're not addressing like sensory needs and all these other things. It doesn't matter how much, like remodeling you do of the furniture if you're not addressing the foundation and the vulnerabilities there. PATRICK CASALE: Yep. Well, I am going to segue us out of this, because my instinct's [INDISCERNIBLE 00:43:45] like, "So, now let's do this thing." But I'm just being aware of time. And I think that this is a wonderful conversation, one that we could have guests on and talk about their own experiences as autistic therapists and grad school participants, what we would like to have seen differently in school, what we want to see for the future generation. And I think that, you know, if we can continue to all advocate together, then hopefully, we can make some fucking change.  And, again, to those of you who have experienced what Megan brought up, I'm sorry, and I hope that you can find solace in the fact that there are a lot of autistic therapists out there doing this type of work, openly discussing their livelihoods, and sharing their experiences, because I think it's helpful to validate and to help, hopefully, "normalize" the human condition and experience that we're all having together.  So, I just want to say thanks for this conversation, Megan, and I'm looking forward to talking about how to find ND affirmative care next week. MEGAN NEFF: Yeah, thank you. And that sounds good. And I'm awkward with goodbyes. PATRICK CASALE: I'll take over. So, everyone thanks for listening to the Divergent Conversations Podcast on all major platforms, weekly episodes out. Like, download, subscribe, and share. We'll see you next week, thanks.

Her Best Self | Eating Disorders, ED Recovery Podcast, Disordered Eating, Relapse Prevention, Anorexic, Bulimic, Orthorexia
EP 51: Why Do Some Find Freedom From Disordered Eating & Others Don't? + the BEST SELF Reflection to Ensure You Find Yours!

Her Best Self | Eating Disorders, ED Recovery Podcast, Disordered Eating, Relapse Prevention, Anorexic, Bulimic, Orthorexia

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2023 14:31


Hey Sis! Have you ever wondered why some people find freedom from food controlling their life, but others never do? Maybe you question whether you truly will ever live life any other way? Or, maybe when you hear the word "freedom" & it resonates because it's something you want, but you just feel so very far away from what that actually looks like for you. How do you turn desire into real life?? I get that. & honestly, for a very long time I was unsure that I would ever recover from my unhealthy relationship with food & my body. I felt that I was broken....that I would always just be "this way". Fast forward years later, & I'm here to tell you.....it simply is NOT TRUE! It's a false narrative your brain will have you believing to keep you tied & chained. In today's episode, I share with you what tools you need in your toolbox to help you heal from disordered eating & how you can "want" it more than anything, yet still be completely stuck. Plus, in this episode, you will walk away with the BEST SELF reflection! A simple worksheet that I leverage with private, 1:1 coaching clients, that you can utilize today, to help you create more clarity & vision for the direction of your food freedom journey.  & If you didn't know, one death occurs nearly every hour (52 minutes), according to ANAD, from complications from eating disorders. Isn't that insane girl?!! What is more insane, is that constantly remember questioning myself, as to if I would be one of those statistics. However, I'm walking, talking, living-proof, that there really is a way out from this disorder controlling your life! You just need the belief, the action, the commitment, and the vision to keep you going. It's so much more than wanting to change. Tune in today friend as I discuss these concepts & share with you the Best Self Reflection. & don't forget to jump on over & join us in the private community so that you can snag your BEST SELF reflection worksheet to help you find the freedom that is so very possible for you too! xo, lindsey Find All the Things -> www.lindseynichol.com ______ Coach with Me ->https://www.lindseynichol.com/apply-for-coaching  ______ Email me directly -> info@lindseynichol.com ______ Join the free FB community -> www.facebook.com/groups/herbestselfsociety/ ______ Need a helping hand guiding you girl!? You don't have to do this alone! Step 1: Go all IN! Decide to commit to yourself & your future! Do it scared girlfriend. Just do it! Step 2: Apply for limited 1:1 & let's work together at www.lindseynichol.com/apply-for-coaching  Step 3: Leverage the FB community for support & stay tuned for all the resources up & coming to help serve you! YOU TOTALLY GOT THIS! * While I am a certified health coach, anorexia survivor & eating disorder recovery coach, I do not intend the use of this message to serve as medical advice. Please refer to the disclaimer here in the show & be sure to contact a licensed clinical provider if you are struggling with an eating disorder.      

Go(o)d Mornings with CurlyNikki
Hardships Often Prepare Ordinary People for an Extraordinary Destiny. #GMfavorites

Go(o)d Mornings with CurlyNikki

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2023 11:34


A quick review of different 'doors' or practices to keep you in Love this week, to get you through and beyond your hardships to the Go(o)d that awaits.The GoOD you deserve.The GoOD you ARE.The GoOD that IS.The only one I forgot to mention (that helped me TREMENDOUSLY) was:1. Notice when you're worrying about something2. Remember that you don't feel bad because what you're worrying about is true (or will come true), you feel bad because it's NOT TRUE. It's false. And that's the only reason you feel 'off'... because God doesn't agree with you on that subject.  When you and God differ on a topic, you get a sign. And that sign is 'worry', or 'fear'.3. Feel the relief in that remembrance and feel Go(o)d again.  Now you and God agree!4. And watch what happens :)Finally, a seed to be planted-“Your own concepts have created "walls" and so you need a "door." But when there are no concepts, there are no walls.”-Ravi ShankarI Love you,NikNikki@curlynikki.comSupport the show!▶▶https://www.patreon.com/goodmornings_______________________Support the show

Meet The SHU
Episode 131: Why Black People Do Not Go To Therapy

Meet The SHU

Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2023 35:31


We all should Get professional therapy. I grew up thinking if a person went to therapy, they were cinsidered crazy. Not True. Its Healing and Therapeutic for you mental well-being. Tune In❤️ ****LIKE SHARE SUBSCRIBE

The Breakfast Club
DONKEY: Ron DeSantis Says Teaching That The U.S. Was Built On "Stolen Lands" Is Inappropriate and "Not True."

The Breakfast Club

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2022 4:19


DONKEY: Ron DeSantis Says Teaching That The U.S. Was Built On "Stolen Lands" Is Inappropriate and "Not True."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.