Above the Sides

In this reflective episode, Hye Jung Kim Tano and Miki Tomita Okamoto of Education Incubator come together to share the story of their interwoven careers and their commitment to carrying forward Uncle Pono Shim's aloha teachings. Hye Jung reflects on finding a sense of "home" in Hawaii and her journey to meeting Miki at the University of Hawaii Lab School - where their shared vision, dedication to students, and sense of humor sparked the beginning of their work together at Education Incubator (EI). EI is a Hawaii-based nonprofit that focuses on innovation, curriculum development, and professional development, encouraging youth and educators to become agents of change. Hye Jung and Miki look back on Hokulea's Worldwide Voyage with the Polynesian Voyaging Society, sharing about the early days of Google Hangouts streaming video from the canoe's crew to classrooms around the planet.They also reminisce about Uncle Pono's surprise visits to their office, caring for him during his cancer journey through healing foods, and the solace that Hye Jung still finds at Ala Moana Beach after his passing. This episode is an invitation into laughter, tears, and an exploration of aloha through the full acceptance of one another (and ourselves) as caring, conflicted humans.Episode Highlights1:18 The gifted story from Uncle Pono to Hye Jung2:52 Hye Jung's origin story - South Korea to Hawaii4:00 Hawaii is home5:50 Becoming an educator6:59 Meeting Miki Tomita Okamoto at UH Lab School11:50 Project Pono, Polynesian Voyaging Society, interwoven career value and interests14:57 Trust and shared vision16:46 Memories with students19:45 Adventures on Hokulea's Worldwide Voyage24:30 Launching Education Incubator and running Google trainings across the state29:40 Navigating Foundation of Aloha Navigators - pandemic pivots37:23 Hye Jung meeting Uncle Pono at DoFest in California41:34 Being present together and the Uncle Pono's jam44:16 Swimming at Ala Moana Beach, gaining trust49:32 A special bond50:37 Comfort foods during Uncle Ponoʻs cancer treatment (toast!)53:40 Acceptance of the full range of emotions55:27 Practicing aloha as caring, conflicted humans58:26 Openness to the unexpected lessons1:00:49 The last weekend at Kuliouou Beach Park with Uncle Nainoa Thompson, Uncle Pono and Miki  Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced.The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace.We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai'i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

In this special episode to celebrate the 2025 Merrie Monarch Festival, we sit down with Kumu Hula, Karl Veto Baker, of Halau I Ka Wekiu for a heartfelt conversation that weaves together the art of hula and the spirit of aloha. Kumu Veto shares how his haumana prepare for Merrie Monarch and what it means to watch his dancers rise to the moment. He describes the 50th teaching anniversary of his mentor, Kumu Hula Robert Cazimero, and reflects upon the Hawaiian Renaissance that shaped a generation of cultural practitioners. In the spirit of aloha, Kumu Veto also describes his friendship with Pono Shim and how Pono became the Kahu of Halau I Ka Wekiu. As a businessman himself, we also dive into the intersection of culture and business as well as his hopes for a thriving Hawaii in which kamaaina have the opportunity to come home and give back to their communities. And of course, this episode would be remiss if we didnʻt get an exciting glimpse into the Halau's 2025 Merrie Monarch performances. Join us for a celebration of hula as a way of life. Mahalo for tuning in! Episode Highlights0:22 Introduction to Kumu Hula Karl Veto Baker1:08 Preparing for Merrie Monarch 20252:15 Seeing students rise to the occasion3:47 "Hula is life"5:11 Celebrating Kumu Hula Robert Cazimero's 50th year of teaching6:55 Holding on to our culture, the Hawaiian Renaissance in the 1970s10:19 Moderation leads to abundance11:09 Aloha Aku, Aloha Mai14:12 Uplifting hula, sharing love with audiences17:02 Drawing an audience in, transferable skills from hula to life19:43 Bringing kamaaina back home to Hawaii26:59 Friendship with Pono Shim29:04 Pono becoming the Kahu for Halau I Ka Wekiu (2013)32:36 Connections to students36:45 Envisioning a thriving Hawaii38:47 Navigating the translation space - speaking the language of the heart39:19 Establishing a mortgage business42:25 Bridging the gap between the corporate world and hula43:39 The feeling of performing - bringing newness to the art46:30 2025 performances: Reviving the saga of Halemano and Kamalalawalu51:17 Peahi o Makana (written by Kumu Hula Devin Kamealoha Forrest)52:50 From vision to final dance Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced.The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace.We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai'i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced. The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace. We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai'i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

In celebration of our 4th anniversary of "Above the Sides," we eagerly welcome Oahu Economic Development Board member, Robin Campaniano to this episode. In this conversation, we discuss his people-first approach to business and envisioning a prosperous Hawaii economy. Robin reflects on his long-standing friendship with Pono Shim, exploring how their intertwined careers have shaped his philosophy of aloha. Robin's influence in Hawaii's business community is extensive; he previously served as President and CEO of AIG Hawaii Insurance Company,   Insurance Commissioner for the State of Hawaii, and District Director and Counsel for the Small Business Administration's Honolulu Office. Most recently, he was selected as a member of the Governor's Climate Advisory Team. To give a glimpse into his world, Robin ideates about the power of observation in business, the significance of sharing meals together, the impact of Hawaii's small community culture on economic decisions (from tourism to military), and the integration of aloha into both relationships and written contracts. Robin opens up about his lifelong commitment to living up to the Hawaiian name that Pono gifted to him from the elders -  and his hopefulness in Hawaii's future as we strive to "remember who we are." Mahalo for joining us these last four years as we uncover what it means to think, act and live aloha. Episode Highlights0:24 Introduction to Robin Campaniano1:41 Friendship and intertwining careers with Pono Shim3:35 Pono's approach and sensitivity4:55 "We Go Eat" - the power of communal meals6:16 How to do business in Hawaii: welcoming visitors, new residents and colleagues to the islands8:00 Touching the essence of a person's character to motivate them8:49 Influences arise years later10:15 Joining the OEDB board of directors, exploring economic diversity12:00 Kicking off the New Markets Tax Credits venture12:44 Observation first14:30 Career and leadership reflections16:36 Hawaii is a small community/ island society17:10 "Pay it forward" - community involvement and service on nonprofit boards18:20 Hawaii's Climate Advisory Team20:15: Childhood on Air Force Bases (Japan to New York), graduated from Roosevelt High School21:58 Bringing the spirit of aloha to the global insurance industry23:41 Aloha in Action - writing the aloha spirit law into partnership agreements26:55 Native Hawaiians were intrepid in aquaculture, agriculture and wayfinding28:57 How do you include the aloha spirit into your written contracts? Establishing the connection31:21 Balancing tourism and military economic impacts34:03 Friendship with Pono Shim and being given a Hawaiian name38:34 Living up to the name39:16 What is on the horizon?40:16 Favorite meals with Pono41:45 A series of memories -42:55 The influence of Alvin Shim   Welcome to the Above the Sides podcast! Join us on our journey to uncover what it means to think, act, and live aloha. The inspiration for this podcast is the late Pono Shim, former President and CEO of the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. His stories capture the essence of what it means to live aloha. He made it known that aloha is a lifestyle. It is not a solution to problems, a marketing brand or to be used as an advantage over anyone else. Aloha is to be honored and practiced.The name of this podcast is in reverence of Hawaiʻi's Queen Liliʻuokalani, who wrote: "To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” Through these episodes, we seek to find that singular perspective, the one that is "above the sides" as we strive for universal peace.We welcome you to pause with us as we share the stories and voices of Hawai'i business leaders, educators and community members who have chosen to be lifelong students of aloha. Mahalo nui loa for listening.

In this episode, we sit down with Jay King, an action-oriented advocate who has dedicated his life to supporting veterans and other vulnerable communities in need. With his extensive experience in social services, Jay works with a spirit of "yes," helping individuals find housing, employment, and critical resources to rebuild their lives. His deep empathy and commitment shine through as he connects with those he serves, offering not just help, but heart and humanity in every interaction. Based in Honolulu, Hawaii, Jay's work has a profound impact on both the local community and the lives of those he touches. Tune in to hear how he leads with care, gusto, and unwavering dedication to making a difference for each person he supports.Episode Highlights0:24 Introduction to Jay1:27 Inspiration from the Peaceful Warrior book3:15 Family foundations in Hawaii4:29 Moved to Hawaii in the early 2000s5:23 "Give what you want to receive"7:06 Working with everyday heroes9:44 Veterans' services10:42 The paradigm shift that encouraged him to enter the Marines13:45 There are immense humanitarian needs here at home and social workers are real heroes15:48 Aloha (and research) in action: Getting Michael a motorized wheelchair20:13 Case workers need the autonomy to be impactful20:58 Benefits of working for a congressional office - the power of YES25:00 The value of individuals is not always quantified in systems25:36 Choice26:15 Civic entitlement vs. authentic need27:18 Homeless services - the greatest work is what we don't see27:55 What does a thriving Hawaii look like? Ending choicelessness, strong leadership, livable wages and affordable housing, allocates appropriate resources34:17 Workforce development and addressing employment and housing barriers36:18 Sustainable housing initiative for rapid rehousing38:08 The rising tide doesn't life all boats39:35 Miracle workers42:21 Finding equilibrium between compassion, firmness and service44:26 Workforce development: We need aloha to go from internet to interview 

Mahalo for tuning in to our first episode of 2025! We are changing up the format of this "Above the Sides" episode to bring you a story that was gifted from Uncle Pono Shim to our dear friend Hye Jung Kim Tano from Education Incubator and Foundations of Aloha. This story is about his experience being part of the groundbreaking ceremony and blessing of the Prince Kuhio Federal Building in 2010 after a major renovation. Hye Jung had the foresight to record her conversation with him in 2020 when he recounted this story to her and that recording is included in this episode. She also gives her backstory about receiving this story from him in the introduction. Mahalo for listening.Episode Highlights0:23 Introducing Hye Jung Kim Tano and this special episode2:15 Hye Jung's backstory of being gifted a story from Uncle Pono Shim in 20206:15 Uncle Pono Shim's recording on the blessing of the Kalanianaole Federal Building in 20106:39 Being asked to bless the federal building8:24 History of the federal building and the surrounding land 10:17 Planning the blessing ceremony12:02 Receiving a map of Honolulu Harbor in 181014:28 Hewahewa Nui and his Kahuna Hale16:14 Kaaawa and Waialua18:23 Look deeper20:49 Meeting John De Fries 22:28 Strange occurrences at the building during construction and 23:38 Maile lei 25:40 Being present and in harmony26:17 The story underneath27:56 Finding how and when to share stories

In this last episode of 2024, we are grateful to share the insights of Herb Lee, Jr., the President and CEO of the Pacific American Foundation (PAF). For over thirty years, the PAF Ohana has served community and youth with comprehensive programs and projects including leadership development, career planning and placement, cultural and environmental stewardship, youth mentorship, and project-based learning. As he reflects on the last 31 years serving Kaneohe (and beyond), Herb shares about how restoration of aina (land; that which feeds) can also heal our connections to community, self and spirit. The foundation for him has, and always will be, aloha. Herb credits his friendship with Pono Shim as a valuable touchpoint throughout his life and career and reflects on their many conversations about Hawaii's future.  We discuss the importance of reclaiming a producer mindset as a foundational element for healthy economic development grounded in Hawaiian values. Our OEDB team extends our gratitude to Herb for his manao in helping guide the Oahu Comprehensive Economic Development Strategy with intention and aloha. Uncle Herb, we wish you a prosperous retirement!Episode Highlights0:23 Introduction0:51 Waikalua Loko Ia and the Pacific American Foundation2:02 Friendship with Pono Shim4:25 The beginnings of a community-focused career 6:28 Education as critical component in the restoration of Waikalua fishpond; students learning the relevance of their learnings within the context of place9:36 Pacific American Foundation reflections on the last 30 years: adopting a generational mindset13:39 Our ancestors are always present17:24 Optimistic about the future - E Ohana Hou20:00 Aloha and indigenous wisdom around the world23:39 What does surrendering during uncertainty look like for you?26:31 Understanding aloha aina28:58  Crossroads and finding the way forward33:15 Education coming full circle: students growing up and contributing to the community36:12 The producer mindset and culturally-informed economic development43:35 Envisioning prosperity 46:27 I ka wa ma mua, i ka wa ma hope: Indigenous knowledge as a balance to technology 48:07 Retirement - Imua Hou, E Ohana Hou!

In this episode of "Above the Sides," we welcome Camille Rockett who serves as the Director of Community Health and Equity at Hawaii Medical Service Association (HMSA). As a student of the Aloha Response, Camille shares about her growth in bringing aloha and trust to the forefront of decision-making when it comes to providing health resources to Hawaii residents. Working towards a prosperous Hawaii through the concept of "healthy people, healthy economy"  is clearly reflected in her pursuit of restoring abundance, in all forms, to our communities. Camille shares about her "aha!" moments of learning with her teacher, Pono Shim, as well as her realizations about the ahupuaa model and how applying that framework assists her team in its efforts to connect residents to  resources which can boost their overall well-being through improved social determinants of health. We hope you enjoy this dive into health equity and exploring how practicing aloha uplifts not only ourselves, but those around us. Mahalo for listening in!Episode Highlights0:00 Intro1:10 Bridge-building as the Director of Community Health and Equity Healthcare at HMSA4:20 How have you developed the skills to navigate difficult conversations?7:11 How did you end up in your current role at HMSA?11:35 Blue Zones Project and growing healthy communities14:06 Health outcomes are related to our surroundings14:43 Meeting Uncle Pono and exploring Relevance vs. Reverence18:13 How did your relationship with Uncle Pono grow after you met?21:15 Have you had any "aha!" moments in your work and with HMSA?21:49 Leave the bad, keep the good23:04 The Old Ahupuaa24:28 Exploring health inequities and increasing access to resources33:40 Haahaa - building community relationships grounded in trust and care39:28 How do your "aha!" moments apply to your work within HMSA?43:29 How do we care for our caregivers?48:13 What does thriving look like?49:42 Aloha is self care55:52 Growing up on Maui, family values1:01:35 Moving to Oahu to study Social Work 

Tyrone Montayre is the President and Founder of Protect and Preserve Hawaii, an environmental nonprofit founded in 2019 to care for Pia Valley, Oahu. In this episode, we hear first-hand from Tyrone what it is like to transition from a full-time mechanic to a  conservationist and entrepreneur and dive deeply into the learning curves of starting a new organization. After his motherʻs passing, he made an unexpected decision to purchase 330 acres of preservation land at a City and County of Honolulu auction. From there his purpose expanded. Tyrone's aloha for Hawaii comes across clearly, not only in his unique path to conservation, but in his creative efforts to engage volunteers and bring much-needed awareness to place-based education, native ecosystem restoration and raising the bar for conservation pay rates. The Protect and Preserve Hawaii team and its enthusiastic volunteers are cultivating a prosperous model in Pia Valley - not only to strengthen relationships between people and ʻāina, but between people and their greater purpose. Mahalo for tuning in!Episode Highlights1:01 Entering the conservation world2:33 Purchasing Pia Valley and connecting with the conservation partners and neighbors4:28 Nurturing a supportive hui 5:46 Creating a management plan and launching volunteer programs, meant to be doing this7:18  Life has changed a lot in the last 6 years8:14 Where does your love of Hawaii come from? 9:22 Realizing what we value and embracing it10:44 What do you think your mother would think of you launching Protect and Preserve Hawaii?11:11 Growing a volunteer community grounded in gratitude13:33 Volunteer programs offerings: ecosystem restoration (including invasive removal, native outplanting, guided hikes with botanist), volunteer exchange program, laau lapaau, malama pohaku15:50 Building a social media movement during the pandemic19:20 What is the vision for Pia Valley? 21:38 Awareness vs. caring22:04 Pia Valley as an economic model of prosperity 24:41 How have your volunteers been changed by Pia Valley?26:37 How have you changed?28:33 Getting comfortable public speaking after changing careers32:38 What are the challenges for Protect and Preserve Hawaii? 33:09 Cultivating ecological empathy 35:10 Engaging volunteers effectively through social media 38:46 Are you working harder now or when you were a mechanic? 39:48 Livable wages in conservation, valuing the long term care of Hawaii's natural resources45:17 Getting creative to secure sustainable funding47:51 The value of native rainforests 49:35 Cultivating abundance in Pia Valley through multiple forms of capital, return on investment50:49 What is your favorite part of your job?51:35 How do you bring aloha into your life and work? Community, sharing gratitude, humility, being a lifelong student53:55 Aloha doesn't stop at 5pm Learn more about Protect and Preserve Hawaii: https://www.protectpreservehi.org/

Todayʻs guest, Taylor "Maeʻole" Quanan, has been on a path of self-discovery through different seasons of her life: from moving to Japan for college to serving as a guardian for her younger sister, embracing motherhood and healing from grief and trauma.  She consistently finds meaning through aloha in practice. Taylor is part of the team at Liliʻuokalani Trust, serving as a Housing Navigator to help Hawaiʻi residents find safe and dignified housing. She met Pono Shim through her time as a Hawaiʻi State Youth Commissioner and from that connection, she now serves on the Oʻahu Economic Development Board. Taylor's wisdom, openness and and innovative spirit shines forward in her words as she works to uplift the Hawaiian lāhui. Episode Highlights0:31 Introduction1:20 Visiting from Honolulu 2:57 How did you meet Uncle Pono Shim?4:19 Addressing Houselessness, Kuleana Academy, Graduating from University of Tsukuba, Caretaking for family 6:27 Hawaii State Youth Commission8:54 Meeting Pono Shim10:38 New approach to storytelling and what it means to be Hawaiian12:30 "Change We Must" book 14:23 Growing through grief and loss22:25 Opportunities to serve, supported by the women of her life25:27 How did you come to the idea that "growth can come through healing?"Questions to self: Could this be seen differently? Could this be endured differently? Who do i have to lean on in there times? Do I have wahi pana or places to go where I can feel something again? How do you rebuild with intention?  30:07 Serving the Queenʻs mission through Liliʻuokalani Trust, seeing kanaka in more places of decision-making and healing35:28 Houselessness: creating a place of belonging, people are our greatest asset37:27 Envisioning Hawaii at its best40:59 Reverence in all interactions 45:33 Going to Japan for university and finding independence52:43 Favorite TED Talks55:45 Radical optimism57:56 Holding stories 

In this episode, Ben Treviño shares how the values of aloha have shaped him as a father, partner, son and colleague. He was a close student of Pono Shim, and despite the passing of his friend and mentor, Ben continues to recognize unexpected moments of learning and evolution as they present themselves. He has served in various executive, entrepreneurial and technology roles, leading with creativity and energy. Ben is currently the network coordinator for the Omidyar Fellows program where he cultivates connections to build a stronger, values-based network of Hawaii leaders. In this conversation, Ben shares stories about his  family and career that have shaped and humbled him, including the realization of how E Ohana Hou has unfolded in his own life.  Enjoy listening! Episode Highlights:1:02 The Hawaii Leadership Forum and Omidyar Fellows2:51 Ben's career and what he would tell his younger self4:16 Parents, family background and love for cinema: "You can do anything"7:40 Father's Day with his daughter at the movies8:32 Transformation for Hawaii and self through leadership and stories10:37 How did you meet Uncle Pono Shim?15:00 Do you remember your first 1:1 meeting with him?17:18 How are you weaving in the aloha response to your role?18:55 Aloha and its impact on deepening his connection to Hawaii24:41 Are there traditions or experiences from your youth that play into your work today?27:16 Realizing that software development skills could be of service to the community30:45 A thriving Hawaii economy, feeling valued and courageous35:54 Personal economy and basic needs, aina and contributing our hana40:22 The power of stories for humanity43:33 Parenthood and examples of aloha48:13 Did Uncle Pono give you a story?51:42: What feeds you?53:46 E Ohana Hou 

In this episode we are joined by our friend, business partner and United Fund Advisors Co-Founder, Chris Hasle. For over ten years, Chris and his team have served as consultants to Oahu Economic Development Board and our Community Development Entity (CDE) , Punawai O Puuhonua, which was created in partnership with American Savings Bank. Along the way, he and Pono Shim became close friends, navigating the needs and intricacies of business with aloha and how to uplift those areas that need capital investment the most across our islands. Through that CDE and with Chris' support, we have deployed funding to low income communities throughout Hawaii through the CDFI's New Markets Tax Credits (NMTC) program.  Chris is a  founding member of UFA and has worked in the tax credit industry since 2004.  As a principal, he is responsible for driving the overall strategy and direction of the company and serving as a liaison to key stakeholders. Mahalo for tuning in! Episode Highlights1:01 About United Fund Advisors2:47 What is the New Markets Tax Credits (NMTC) Program?5:09 Education, Values and Impact6:23 Job Searching7:02 NMTCs at OEDB through Punawai O Puuhonua; How did you meet Uncle Pono and begin working with NMTCs in Hawaii?13:50 Continental US and Hawaii partnership14:18 Friendship with Pono15:48 Relational vs. Transactional Partnerships16:58 Aloha as an evolving word18:05 Pono's kidney donation19:24 Punawai o Puuhonua's projects across Hawaii22:22 NMTC and Community Impacts: quality jobs, commercial goods and services, social services - healthcare, education, minority owned businesses and indigenous communities, affordable housing, environmentally sustainable outcomes26:06 Favorite NMTC project: Community Transitional School in Portland, Oregon31:27 NMTC Conference and endless opportunity to uplift communities33:00 The catalytic effect of capital investment33:49 Do you have a dream NMTC project?35:18 After doing business in Hawaii for over ten years, are there things that have left an impression on you and/or changed how you do business?37:22 Friendship stories41:38 Growing a good team44:19 Chris: What does the "Above the Sides" podcast name mean?Queen Liliuokalani quote: “I could not turn back the time for the political change, but there is still time to save our heritage. You must remember never to cease to act because you fear you may fail. The way to lose any earthly kingdom is to be inflexible, intolerant, and prejudicial. Another way is to be too flexible, tolerant of too many wrongs, and without judgment at all. It is a razor's edge. It is the width of a blade of pili grass. To gain the kingdom of heaven is to hear what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable – that is Aloha. All things in this world are two; in heaven there is but One.” 

Miki Tomita Okamoto is an educator, navigator, storyteller and student herself. Since April 2022, she has also been mindfully setting the foundation of the next chapter of the Aloha Response as Pono Shim's successor after his passing. In this episode, Miki, Roy Kimura and Molly Mamaril have a meaningful conversation that touches upon the many facets of what it means to be a practitioner of aloha in the modern day and how to honor Ponoʻs memory and wishes through the creation of the Mālama Pono Foundation. As many of you know, Miki is the founder and CEO of Education Incubator, a nonprofit that aims to uplift learners across the islands through innovation through aloha to support the dreamers, doers, entrepreneurs, academics, philosophers, voyagers, explorers, teachers and students across Hawaii. *The  format of this episode is slightly different than previous ones as the audio was pulled from a video interview with Miki (on camera) and Roy Kimura and Molly Mamaril (off camera). You will hear all three of their voices in an informal, behind-the-scenes  interview. Mahalo for listening.Conversation Highlights and Timestamps0:00  Introduction to the episode3:15  Who was Pono Shim?5:19  When did you first meet him?8:25  What did you see in him, in those early days?9:38  Was there a recognition of each other when you first met?12:51  When did people begin to seek him out?17:13  How did he know when it was time to share what he had been taught?18:33  Storytelling as medicine; Connection vs. correction22:41  Is there a story about your relationship with him that stays in your mind?30:44  How are you carrying the role of being the student of multiple teachers - including Pono Shim and Nainoa Thompson?35:55  What did he see as his purpose?37:06  Aloha as a key, as a personal practice; Ponoʻs willingness to live his life publicly39:34  What is your favorite Pono story? How he became his dadʻs shadow and learned about changemaking by watching the masters of personal relationships.43:21  Did he ever talk about what Aunty Pilahi Paki saw in him - how she singled him out?45:20  Aloha as a solo practice46:50  When feeling the Two Storms, we must still have aloha for ourselves. Ask, "Can I do this and still have a full heart?"50:37  The Malama Pono Foundation55:49  Growing the community of practice: "I want people to still be able to find him, to know him, and have a personal relationship with Pono Shim and his teachings"58:36  Ponoʻs Audiobook aspirations: "I want them to know him."1:00:20  Practicing self care1:01:55  What didn't we lose when Pono passed away?1:04:20  Aloha economics1:06:25  Aloha in business; What can we hope to accomplish with the Mālama Pono Foundation to challenge the status quo and create positive change?1:15:12   How can we engage the diaspora of residents leaving Hawaii in the aloha practice?1:19:31   What do you miss most about Pono?1:22:49  Was there a favorite meal that you shared together?1:23:40  Why did you create the Foundations of Aloha program?1:32:17  How did Uncle Pono feel about Foundations of Aloha?1:33:25 The Lilikoi Story1:39:42  Miki's childhood on Maui and her early spiritual exploration1:49:27  1976 - A defining year for Pono and Nainoa Thompson1:51:10  Aloha is also a canoeResource LinksEducation Incubator and Foundations of AlohaMālama Pono Foundation The Mālama Pono Foundation will perpetuate and grow Pono Shim's vision of Hawaiʻi as a unique place of healing and source of the universal spirit of ALOHA for the world. The establishment and launch of the Foundation is led by Miki Tomita, Pono's mentee, who is facilitating the curation of Pono's work and other Hawaiʻi wisdom sources into resources for students and practitioners of ALOHA, past, present and future. Donations to support the launch of the foundation and its endeavors are currently being accepted through Education Incubator. Please contact MPF for more information: info@malamaponofoundation.org.

In this episode, we had the joy of speaking with Heather Pierucki who shares insights from her life, career and experience as a student of Pono Shim. She is a therapist, clinical consultant, and managing partner of ChangeWorks which focuses on supporting agencies that service individuals managing houselessness, mental illness, substance use and poverty. Heather recalls how her initial meeting with Pono Shim like a reconnection, an instinctual knowing of the other. In our hour together, Heather shares stories of the many transitions in her life, from childhood, to choosing a career in therapy, to choosing her partner and moving to Hawaii. She also provides a powerful success story from her previous work with Helping Hands Hawaii which highlights how showing up with love and the right tools can truly help people in need. Mahalo nui for tuning in! You can view Sims' and Heather's story from Helping Hands Hawaii here: https://vimeo.com/471520328?share=copy (Roy Kimura, 2017). 

In this episode,  we welcome guest and Oahu Economic Development Board member, Tyler Tokioka, who was a close business confidant to Pono Shim. The Tokioka family has been a steadfast presence in the business community for generations, beginning with Tylerʻs grandfather Masayuki Tokioka, who founded Island Insurance in 1940. Grounded in similar values instilled in them by their families, he and Pono found common ground and a safe space to have meaningful conversations about how to do business with aloha and integrity. We discuss his journey from Hawaii to New York, his return to serve in the family business, economic development hopes for Hawaii and more. Mahalo for listening!Learn more about the ways that Island Insurance gives back to Hawaii: https://www.islandinsurance.com/community/supporting-our-local-communities/

Roy Kimura leads a meaningful career as a visual storyteller here in Hawaii. In this episode, he talks about his experience working as a director, writer and videographer, highlighting some of the pivotol moments that have influenced his professional path. Roy's stories are rooted in appreciation for the mentors who have contributed to his growth and learning. Most recently, Pono Shim played a key role in shaping his perspective as he experienced first-hand what it was like to be on the receiving end of connection, not correction. This, in turn, encouraged him to make more intentional decisions that prioritize people over task, despite operating in a fast-paced industry. One of the most powerful takeaways from this conversation was his call to action to listeners to record the stories of their loved ones: now is the time. Please see the podcast notes to enjoy the videos that showcase Roy's capacity to create stories that empower and uplift, several of which are mentioned in the episode. Mahalo nui!Videos by Roy KimuraHelping Hands Hawaii Stories of Pono - Robbie Alm - "Start Now"Stories of Pono - Robbie Alm - "Watch For The Connection"Stories of Pono - Rachel Alm - "Ponoʻs Eulogy"Keolamau Yee Stories of Pono - Molly Mamaril - "We Give Attention"Hawaiiʻs Food & Farmers - Hawaii Food BankHawaiiʻs Food & Farmers - Hauula TomatoesHawaiiʻs Food & Farmers - Sweet Land FarmsThe Wisdom of Hawaiiʻs Elders - Oswald StenderThe Wisdom of Hawaiiʻs Elders - Eileen Lum

Throughout his career, Scott Nishimoto has served as an advocate for equity and peace-building in Honolulu. He shares an array of stories about how his parents, partner and children have influenced his perception of aloha and valuing every person's experience when it comes to embracing the human condition. In his early days as a nonprofit executive, he met Pono Shim and that initial encounter led to years of friendship and growing to understand the power of storytelling. This podcast title, "Part of this World," is inspired by a movie song (you may know it!) that Pono shared with Scott. Enjoy Scott's powerful and humorous narrative. Mahalo! Learn more about Ceeds of Peace: https://www.ceedsofpeace.org/ Read "Talking Hawaii's Story: Oral Histories of an Island People" edited by Michi Kodama-Nishimoto, Warren S. Nishimoto, and Cynthia A. Oshiro https://uhpress.hawaii.edu/title/talking-hawaiis-story-oral-histories-of-an-island-people/ Interview originally recorded in November 2023.

In this episode, Luella Costales, Rachel Alm and Molly Mamaril discuss what it was like to work closely with Uncle Pono, both personally and professionally, to capture the nuances of what his leadership looked like in a daily setting. The trio also discuss individual hana and the struggle that many students of the aloha response are feeling - how do we move forward confidently after receiving the baton from our mentor? Mahalo for tuning in as we kick off 2024!

In this episode, we are fortunate to spend time talking story with Jason Mejia who serves as a Fire Captain with the Honolulu Fire Department. As he approaches his retirement this month, he reflects on his 27 years as a civil servant and his efforts to strive to be a conduit of aloha. Most recently, he was able to fulfill a goal of helping the Honolulu Fire Department establish "E Ohana Hou" as the foundation of the department's most recent strategic plan. As many listeners know, "E Ohana Hou" is one of Pono Shim's lessons of bringing your gifts to the world, unleashing them in perpetuity to contribute to the collective well-being of all. One of Jason's favorite lessons from Pono is: "Make the connection and the story will follow." We hope you find this to be a reflective and meaningful conversation. Mahalo! The "E Ohana Hou" video can be viewed here: https://www.oedb.biz/videos To view Honolulu Fire Department Community Resources for fire safety and preparedness, please visit: https://fire.honolulu.gov/ and https://www.youtube.com/@HonoluluFireDepartment.

Live Aloha. Living in Hawaii, many of us recognize the white bumper stickers with the ohia flower and have undoubtedly heard the "live aloha" phrase over the years. What is the backstory of this initiative and what does live aloha really mean? In this episode, we talk story with Rachel Alm to learn about the interesting behind-the-scenes details of the Live Aloha initiative which was established in 1993. As a child, Rachel was positively influenced by her parents, Robert and Cynthia Alm, as well as her father's friend, our dear Pono Shim. She recounts many Zippy's meals as a middle schooler, where she spent memorable time with him learning about aloha through his mentorship, years before he launched his first Aloha Response cohort. Rachel's awareness and personal aloha practice are a powerful embodiment of how to bring aloha into our everyday interactions with others and the greater community. Now as a young professional, she continues to contribute to the wellbeing of Hawaii - and beyond - from her home in Bend, Oregon. Learn more about the Live Aloha program and the 12 commitments: https://www.livealohakakou.org/ https://www.livealohakakou.org/12-commitments Email address: livealohahui@gmail.com Mailing address: 165 Waokanaka Place, Honolulu, HI 96817 @livealohakakou

We welcome Cindi Heffner to this episode of "Above the Sides" in our first recording outside of Hawaiʻi. Cindi is the Kumu Hula of Haʻaheo O Hawaiʻi, a hula hālau based in Albuquerque, New Mexico where she has lived for many years. Cindi shares how she has maintained her spirit of aloha in all the places she has traveled to throughout her life and how her ʻohana, and many of our kama'āina (children of the land), have found home in new places as part of the Hawaiian diaspora. 2020 Census data indicated that more than half of all Native Hawaiians, roughly 370,000 people, now live in the continental U.S. This highlights a growing economic trend due to the high cost of living and housing and job opportunity limitations. Our discussion centers around how aloha can live beyond Hawaiʻi through its people - and that home can also be in your heart. We hope that you find Cindi's story compelling and uplifting. “In the 21st century, the world will search for peace and they'll look to Hawaii because Hawaii has the key and that key is Aloha.” - Pilahi Paki

Have you ever wondered where our trash goes after the dump trucks make their rounds? In this episode, we are thrilled to have Henry Gabriel, a veteran solid waste manager, give us a Trash 101 lesson on everything that happens to the waste in our grey, blue and green bins. It is clear from his stories that he loves his job and is sharing his gift with Hawaiʻi - helping us better manage our garbage. Henry shares about the four R's: reduce, reuse, recycle and repair and how leaning in to the resourcefulness of previous generations can help us build resilience today. We hope you enjoy Henryʻs engaging stories and his tips on how share aloha with our island home in tangible ways, beginning with our very own trash bins. To learn more about the City and County of Honolulu solid waste management or the Tour de Trash, please visit: https://www.honolulu.gov/opala.

Shawn Uehira joins us in this episode of "Above the Sides" to share about her experience integrating Hawaiian values into her relationships, life, work and education. Shawn was a former employee at Oʻahu Economic Development Board after graduating from college and in our discussion she highlights some of her experiences with Uncle Pono Shim and how she continues to weave his teachings into everyday decisions through finding lōkahi (harmony, unity, unbrokenness). As a graduate student at Chaminade University, Shawn also co-authored a book, Hawaiian Values for Future Leaders, which focuses on leadership development for island organizations. Enjoy! 

We are fortunate to welcome Ryden Iwamoto to this episode of "Above the Sides." As a rising second-year college student and an OEDB board member, Ryden shares with us his hopes for Hawaiʻiʻs future, his path to studying Economics and Data Science at the University of Chicago and his intention to live out Pono Shim's teachings, especially the notion of "connection, not correction." He discusses what a thriving Hawaiʻi economy could look like and how he aspires to return home to Hawaiʻi after his studies. We hope you find this talk story interview insightful and meaningful. Enjoy!

In this episode, Ashley Ono shares about her path to the aloha response and how it has influenced her personal and professional approach to people and healing. As a medical doctor, she has explored her own mindfulness practice with bravery and continues to explore how her hana, her gifts, can best serve the community in a fulfilling and life giving manner.

In this episode, we welcome three news guests, Eric Takahata, Randy Baldemor and OEDB team member, Luella Costales to reflect on the power of connection and how the language of aloha is universal. Several years ago through their work in the local hospitality industry, Randy and Eric traveled to one of Hawaiʻi's sister countries, Japan, with the late Pono Shim. We discuss their experiences abroad and how by leaning on the connections that bind our two nations, Hawaiʻi can serve as an example of regenerative tourism. The episode ends with an audio recording of Pono sharing about a presentation that he gave in Japan that highlights the many similarities that forever connect the people of Hawaiʻi and the people Japan. Episode time stamps: 1:55 Interview with Randy, Eric and Luella on the power of connection 56:30 Molly transitions to the audio recording of Pono Shim 57:09 Pono Shim on how Japan and Hawaiʻi are mirrors of one another (Zoom audio, recorded 2020)

Sarah Guay serves as a Board Member with the Oahu Economic Development Board and we are thrilled to share her interview with you. Upon meeting Sarah, it is clear that she lives with kindness and intention, both personally and professionally. Listeners will feel her refreshing honesty and humor shine through her stories. The catalyst for this episode was OEDB intern, Jonah Tiwanak, and his recent college graduation which prompted his curiosity about how to kickstart his career in a meaningful way. Jonah and OEDB staffer, Molly Mamaril, interview Sarah about life transitions, finding our grounding in the workplace, and looking for the lessons in our struggles. Sarahʻs expertise as a Human Resources professional and a student of aloha can serve as a touch point for anyone seeking to find value alignment in their work and a place to belong.

Josh Parker, Logan Yogi, and Lauren and Allison Saunders join the conversation in this episode, "Passing the Mic to Tomorrow's Leaders". Each of them has participated in the Center of Tomorrow's Leaders youth leadership program and have met Pono Shim through their experience. They share their observations of leadership rooted in aloha, insights from their time in the program and their hopes for the future of Hawaii in this talk story session. Enjoy!

"Reference vs. Reverence" is all about grounding in authenticity and truly living the values that we say we do.

To be human is to experience all the elements of the human condition, including physical health and mental health issues. In this episode, Pono Shim aims to de-stigmatize talking about mental health issues openly. He reiterates that is possible to improve the economics of our lives by being resources for one another through respect and support.

In this episode, we welcome Sage Goto, the Family Strengthening & Violence Prevention Unit Supervisor with the Hawaii Department of Health. He is a student of aloha and an observant father, son and Oahu community member. After much self-reflection and humorous recollection, Sage shares several personal stories about his journey to help perpetuate meaningful family traditions rooted in aloha.

In Hawaiʻi, when you name someone, you name them with a hope, a vision, an aspiration, or to honor a relationship. In this episode, Pono Shim shares an encounter he had that prompted him to think about renaming the Millenial generation to give value to the resource that they are as they tackle the responsibilities handed to them by their parents' generation.

Phrasing can be incredibly important. In this episode, Pono Shim and Molly Mamaril talk about the phrase, "low hanging fruit" and its implications on our potential. Pono also discusses how adopting Queen Kapiolani's motto of "kulia i ka nuu" (to strive for the summit) can foster personal growth.

In this episode, Pono Shim discusses the the perception of fearlessness. In his own life, he shares how it is really fierceness that helps him take action to make change through aloha. By letting go of societal conventions such as agendas, time constraints and expectations we may see the true potential of an opportunity when it presents itself.

This episode is dedicated to all the students graduating in Spring 2021. Congratulations! We honor you and your efforts to better Hawaii and the world. This story is a favorite of many of Pono Shim's students so at the request of others, we made it into a podcast episode. The original script is from Pono's Chaminade University commencement speech in 2018.

Allison Saunders and Tyler Mejia share their insights from their experience serving as interns for the Oahu Economic Development Board.

With endless requests from individuals and companies asking for advice about how to begin doing business in Hawaii, Pono Shim shares stories that emphasize the importance of intention, knowing your community and earning confidence.

This episode is a short addendum to the previous episode. Enjoy!

What does it mean to pass the mic? In this episode, Pono Shim and Molly Mamaril discuss the importance of being present and giving attention to all voices, but especially youth voices. Pono shares a story of how one happenstance encounter to honor a young man's poetry lead to friendships and eventually a large-scale business opportunity for Hawaii.

In this episode, we explore the idea of letting go of our expectations for certain outcomes; resting in the uncertainty of a situation can be a space of growth and understanding instead of anxiety. Pono Shim shares two stories about the "bully pidgeons" and "waking the sleeping bear" which provide listeners with lessons that can be applied to scenarios we find ourselves in in everyday life.

Pono Shim shares about the powerful influence that stories have - that they themselves can serve as medicine. The right story for the right person can be very healing and could allow an individual to recognize how to overcome their own trauma.

The Oahu Economic Development Board offers a unique approach to regenerative economic development in Hawaii and emphasizes the importance of  relationships, not transactions, in business.  Learn more about the Oahu Economic Development Board at: https://www.oedb.biz/