Podcasts about deliberate discomfort

Nate Boyer, a Former Army Green Beret and football player, discusses his attraction to challenges, pushing oneself to the limit, and the importance of growth through setbacks. In this episode, he shares a personal story about auditioning for a TV show and recognizing different perspectives. Nate talks about his nonprofit work with Merging Vets and Players (MVP), helping veterans and athletes find their identity post-career. The concept of deliberate discomfort and the desire for relevance are explored. He also mentions Water Boys, an organization providing clean water wells in Tanzania. The impact of clean water availability, benefits to communities, and the significance of leadership qualities.     Key Takeaways [03:52] Nate Boyer emphasizes the tough nature of various fields, such as being an elite athlete, a Green Beret, or an actor and the desire to compete at the highest level and the experience of competition from a young age create a strong attraction. Nate finds the process of putting in hard work, practice, and dedication towards a goal, regardless of winning or losing, immensely fulfilling.   [07:38]Nate reflects on the open but unyielding door, symbolizing the constant possibility of success despite the lack of opportunities. He believes that part of his drive comes from a place of insecurity, wanting to prove himself and overcome feelings of not being good enough. [12:09] He said that setbacks create space for pursuing something that may have been put on hold or exploring new dreams and aspirations and it's essential to open up and listen to the universe, allowing new possibilities to emerge. Embracing this perspective can lead to finding new paths and opportunities for personal fulfillment. [15:10] Nate stated that letting go of attachment to the outcome and understanding that it's not about you personally can help navigate the ups and downs of such subjective industries and stay resilient and focus on honing your skills and pursuing opportunities where your unique abilities and vision align with the right fit. [20:06] Nate talks about MVP, where he co-founded along with Jay Glazer, the nonprofit organization Merging Vets and Players (MVP) in 2015. He said that MVP aims to support both military veterans and professional athletes who often face challenges when transitioning out of their respective fields. [26:45] He talks about how the transition to a new phase is becoming necessary, but it can be challenging to let go of the familiar and find new avenues to feel alive and fulfilled. As people grow older, they may encounter these feelings in various aspects of their lives, such as transitioning away from a beloved activity like football. [34:53] Nate shares that the most impactful and rewarding work he's been involved in is the Water Boys initiative started by Chris Long. This work has brought clean and accessible water to numerous communities, improving their quality of life and health. He also shares that being a part of this initiative and witnessing the positive change it brings has been incredibly rewarding for him. [36:44] Closing quote: Remember, ”A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” – Jackie Robinson   Quotable Quotes “It's nice to sort of push yourself to the limit physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and see how far you can go.”   “Sometimes we do things, we make mistakes, and we suffer the consequences.”   “You can restart a whole new sector of your life.”   “It's time to open your aperture back up and listen to the universe a little bit.”   “Veteran community is often really struggling. A lot of times they're struggling not just with the loss of identity and uniform, but the loss of people or feeling like they didn't do enough and they should have done more and they could have saved more.”   “Jump off that curve where you're declining and get on a curve where you're improving.”   “When it's time to make a decision, as a leader, you have to make a decision.”    ”A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” – Jackie Robinson   Resources Mentioned: The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Nate Boyer's LinkedIn | Nate Boyer's Website | Nate Boyer's Instagram | Nate Boyer's Twitter | 

#58: In this episode of Settlement Nation I sit down with Jason Van Camp, a decorated Green Beret, Ranger and West Point graduate, turned successful entrepreneur and high performance coach. In Part 2 of this multi-part series, Jason shares more battlefield lessons from his book "Deliberate Discomfort", demonstrating how anyone can develop the warrior mindset and do more with their life. We discuss why you need to be taking small doses of 'venom' everyday, how looking up under pressure is so critical, the keys to developing inner resilience, actively choosing discomfort and how you can start living with relentless resolve! A not to be missed episode for trial lawyers, business owners and anyone looking to improve their mental toughness.***Deliberate Discomfort: https://amzn.to/3dvIbIEMission Six Zero: https://www.missionsixzero.comWarrior Rising: https://www.warriorrising.org/

This episode is about another fellow Purple Belt who oddly enough has claustrophobia.    He asked me to roll two times in a row for 5 - 6 min each roll just so he could practice getting smashed by me. My BJJ game is adding a lot of pressure to people when I'm in a dominant position. It's very uncomfortable. He literally asked for it. He knew what he was getting into.    What can you learn about pursuing deliberate discomfort?  What can you learn about yourself about pursuing deliberate discomfort?  What can you learn about God while pursuing deliberate discomfort?  What % of your life are you living in your comfort zone?    Book: Deliberate Discomfort by Jason B.A. Van Camp https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Discomfort-Operations-Comfortable-Uncomfortable/dp/1733428011/   If you're ready to take your emotional growth to the next level, join the EQ Mafia at https://www.eqgangster.com/.

As the author of a bestselling book with the title, "Deliberate Discomfort," you can imagine our guest today is a perfect fit for the Forging Mettle podcast. Jason Van Camp is a former special forces soldier and now teaches people how to proactively seek out hard things through his company Mission Six Zero. In this discussion I was fascinated by Jason's origin story of his company, how he talks about failure, and what he believes we need to do to live our best lives. Show notes: Jason B.A. Van Camp is what Malcolm Gladwell would refer to as an Outlier; an exceptional person who is successful not just because of his personal accomplishments but because of his will to win and the unique ability and willingness to unlock the potential of others. A decorated Green Beret, world traveler, entrepreneur, author, and loyal friend, Jason has mastered the art of storytelling that reflects many of his own life adventures. Jason is the chairman of “mission six zero.” He is also the executive director of Warrior Rising, which is a non-profit that empowers U.S. military veterans. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-van-camp/ Mission Six Zero: https://missionsixzero.com/ Warrior Rising: https://www.warriorrising.org/ Buy the book: https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Discomfort-Operations-Comfortable-Uncomfortable/dp/1733428011

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My guest is Jocko Willink, a retired Navy SEAL officer and author of multiple books on effective leadership and teamwork, self-discipline and mindset, and host of the Jocko Podcast. We discuss how people can build and sculpt their identity and psychology through specific mindsets and actions and how to adapt the self to novel and challenging situations, using specific daily routines. We consider how “energy” actually stems from physical action and describe practical tools and scientific mechanisms for leveraging exercise, cold exposure, nutrition, fasting, hydration, sunlight, mindset and music to make us feel more energized and what that, in turn, does for our life. Jocko explains how discipline and specific daily routines allow for productivity and creativity. And we discuss the qualities of successful leaders, including how to build confidence and real bonds when working with a team or family/friends. Jocko describes a particularly powerful tool of using perspective shifts to allow for ‘detachment' as a unique way to identify novel solutions to problems. We also discuss the power of early developmental narratives and how experiences of friendship, love, connection and loss can serve as pillars for making us better human beings in all aspects of life. Our conversation covers a wide range of topics, including mental health, physical health and performance, and provides actionable tools that anyone, regardless of age or profession, can apply to live a more effective and meaningful life. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman Maui Nui: https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman For the full show notes, visit hubermanlab.com Timestamps (00:00:00) Jocko Willink (00:03:50) Maui Nui Venison, Eight Sleep, LMNT, Momentous (00:08:42) Sense of Self, Discovery & Autonomy (00:19:11) Mindsets in the Military: Garrison vs. Combat (00:25:02) Military Divisions (00:29:34) Daily Workouts & Discipline (00:35:39) AG1 (Athletic Greens) (00:36:53) Energy & Movement, Cortisol, Nutrition (00:52:10) Exercise & Energy, Deliberate Cold Exposure (00:59:05) Win vs. Loss Mindset, Leadership, Action & Energy  (01:12:07) InsideTracker (01:13:11) Confidence, Generators vs. Projectors, Family (01:24:01) Restoring Motivation: Social Connection & Play (01:32:44) Self-Identity & Context, Alcohol, Music, Dopamine (01:45:10) Motivation Sources & Recovering from Loss (01:54:05) Suicide, Navy SEALs, Social Contagion (02:09:00) Suicide, Alcohol, Positive Action  (02:15:03) Meditation, Detachment (02:20:30) Adaptability & Opportunities, Navy SEALs  (02:30:43) Ambition & Love, Likeability, Leadership (02:40:18) Building Teams, Detachment, Family (02:50:20) Detachment: Problems & Perspective (02:55:55) Tools: Strategies to Detach from Situation (03:08:31) Tool: Situational Awareness & Detachment (03:17:49) Social Media, Personal Flaws (03:23:01) Falling Asleep & Detachment (03:27:02) Resilience Calibration, Navy SEAL Training & Combat (03:39:16) Deliberate Discomfort & Mental Resilience (03:42:21) People & Animals, Personalities (03:51:25) Political Leadership & Military, Social Media (04:01:38) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Neural Network Newsletter, Social Media Disclaimer Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac

Part 5 of the mini-series of mindset strategies is 'deliberate discomfort'.   Life inevitably involves brief moments of physical discomfort, whether it's carrying heavy bags around an airport or having to run to catch a bus.   If you're used to training and pushing yourself as a part of your exercise routine, you can use the Deliberate Discomfort strategy to reframe these moments and boost the mental toughness you get from your workouts as well.

Andy was inspired to join West Point following the tragic death of a family member. At West Point Andy found that his ability to play Army Football and serve in the military were being hindered by his academic skill sets. The Center for Enhanced Performance became his life line, and the source for his future passion. Unlocking the potential of others. Andy describes how he went from receiving training to coaching members of elite military units and professional athletes. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/joe-harrison0/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/joe-harrison0/support

#47: In this episode of Settlement Nation we sit down with Jason Van Camp, a decorated Green Beret, Ranger and West Point graduate, turned successful entrepreneur and high performance coach. In Part 1 of this multi-part series, Jason shares his blueprint for getting comfortable with the uncomfortable and how to thrive under pressure. Discussing key takeaways from his bestselling book "Deliberate Discomfort", Jason shares the lessons he learnt from real life examples on the battlefield, translating them into digestible and relatable action items for trial lawyers and business owners. With special guest Jakob Norman, Jason provides the tools that we can all use to unlock our potential. ***Deliberate Discomfort: https://amzn.to/3dvIbIEMission Six Zero: https://www.missionsixzero.comWarrior Rising: https://www.warriorrising.org/

The latest episode of the Tactical Breakdown Podcast features Jason Van Camp, Major (Ret.), US Army Special Forces and the Founder and Chairman of Mission Six Zero. Jason is a passionate leader, a Forbes Business Council Member, a Wall Street Journal, Amazon, and USA Today best-selling author, a decorated Green Beret, a world traveler, and an entrepreneur. During his 14 years in the U.S. Army Jason won numerous awards, notably the Bronze Star with V device for Valor as well as two additional Bronze Stars during numerous combat rotations as a Special Forces Detachment Commander in the Middle East and Africa.In this episode, Adam and Jason dive into the journey to releasing Deliberate Discomfort and the inspiration, experiences, and thought that went into the making of the book. Adam highlights some of his personal favorite tidbits. They discuss concepts of leadership, happiness, and accountability, and the importance of getting to know your team. Jason raises interesting points about the fear of failure. Finally, Adam inquires about Mission Six Zero and Jason highlights the services his team offers, including the Deliberate Discomfort Challenge. ---------------------------------------------------------------Get your FREE TICKET to the 2022 ILET Summit: www.iletsummit.comOver 70 hours of training40+ world-leading experts10,000+ law enforcement professionals----------------------------------------------------------------Mission Six Zero is a leadership development firm that combines the experiences of special ops forces veterans with the knowledge of scientists to expand on and contextualize experiences and training concepts. Mission Six Zero follows this model to teach a variety of industries through assessments, masterclasses, workshops, live keynotes, the Deliberate Discomfort Challenge, and more. The Mission Six Zero team is comprised of Medal of Honor recipients, U.S. Army Rangers, Navy SEALs and other Special Operations Forces team members who work to empower everyone struggling personally or professionally to liberate themselves from their internal oppression. Jason is an accomplished author, having released Deliberate Discomfort: How U.S. Special Operations Forces Overcome Fear and Dare to Win by Getting Comfortable Being Uncomfortable in early 2020. Deliberate Discomfort follows Jason's journey as a new Green Beret commander and tells firsthand the intense, traumatic battles fought and won, including lessons learned and best practices. Further, Jason's team of scientists break down each experience, allowing the reader to apply these lessons to their own lives. Purchase your copy of Deliberate Discomfort here! Jason is also honored to be the Founder and Executive Director of Warrior Rising, which he started in 2015 to empower U.S. veterans and their immediate families by providing them opportunities to create sustainable businesses, perpetuate the hiring of fellow U.S. military veterans, and earn their future. Warrior Rising is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to helping veterans achieve success in business through instruction, mentoring, funding access, and maintaining the veteran community.----------------------------------------------------------------Looking for more free online content? Join the ILET Network community platformTake a look at our free course offerings Stay current and subscribe to the ILET Network YouTube channelJoin Adam's LinkedIN Network Follow the ILET Network on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter & LinkedINFollow the Tactical Breakdown on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter & LinkedINSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Burnout and alert fatigue are likely at an all time high with the current state of events combined with the last two plus years. OOn this episode we explore the Deliberate Discomfort Challenge as a way to help take care of our most valuable assets, our people to get back in tune with themselves and life. Jason and his team are running a Buy One Get One opportunity for the Deliberate Discomfort Challenge. Grab a body, sign up and we (Cybersecurity: Amplified and Intensified) will pay for the first ten (10) of our listeners/viewers that sign up. Available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9r8uO95ko Jason B.A. Van Camp epitomizes leadership and a positive drive to excel. He has an exceptional never-quit attitude and a will to win, coupled with unique ability and desire to unlock the potential of others. He is a Forbes Business Council Member, a Wall Street Journal, Amazon, and USA Today best-selling author, a decorated Green Beret, a world traveler, and an entrepreneur. First and foremost, though, he is a dedicated husband, loving father, and loyal friend. Jason has mastered the art of storytelling that reflects many of his own life adventures. Jason was born in Washington D.C. and raised across the Potomac River in Springfield, Virginia. In 1995, Jason was accepted to the United States Military Academy at West Point. While at West Point, Jason played Linebacker for the Army Black Knights football team, served a two-year LDS Church mission to Russia, and, upon graduation, won the prestigious General Loeffke Award for Excellence in Foreign Languages. After graduating from West Point, Jason volunteered to attend U.S. Army Ranger School in Fort Benning, GA where he earned his Ranger tab in 2002. Jason then began a one year tour to Korea serving a few miles from the Demilitarized zone (DMZ) between South and North Korea. Immediately after serving in Korea, Jason was deployed with the 101st Airborne Division in the invasion of Iraq (2003). In 2006, Jason won the coveted Green Beret and began serving as a Detachment Commander with 10th Special Forces Group in Fort Carson, Colorado. During his 14 years in the U.S. Army, Jason has won numerous awards, notably the Bronze Star with V device for Valor as well as two additional Bronze Stars during numerous combat rotations as a Special Forces Detachment Commander in the Middle East and Africa. Jason then founded Mission Six Zero, a leadership consulting firm comprised of Medal of Honor recipients, U.S. Army Rangers, Navy SEALs and other Special Operations Forces team members, he founded in 2009. The company offers assessments, masterclasses, workshops, and live keynotes in a variety of industries: pharmaceutical, medical device, financial services, real estate, technology, governmental organizations (including law enforcement), as well as others. Over the past 10 years, Jason is a seasoned speaker, having given hundreds of talks to corporate conferences, trade organizations, governmental agencies, military units and youth groups. He is a proponent of Mission Six Zero's Total Warrior (TM) model. Jason is also honored to be the Founder and Executive Director of Warrior Rising, which he started in 2015 to empower U.S. veterans and their immediate families by providing them opportunities to create sustainable businesses, perpetuate the hiring of fellow U.S. military veterans, and earn their future. Warrior Rising is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit dedicated to helping veterans achieve success in business through instruction, mentoring, funding access, and maintaining the veteran community. To date, Warrior Rising has had more than 3,000 veterans apply to its program. Audio Podcast: https://anchor.fm/amplifiedandintensified Jason Van Camp https://missionsixzero.com/ https://missionsixzero.com/challenge/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/amplifiedandintensified/support

On this week's podcast, Rad interviews Jason Van Camp, a West Point graduate who later on became a coveted Green Beret. He has earned Bronze Stars and, after his service, became the author of Deliberate Discomfort and founded Mission Six Zero and Warrior Rising. Today he shares a crazy story during his time with the Airborne when his chute got tangled and he almost plunged to certain death. Jason also looks back during his time in West Point and gives aspiring seniors some tips on how to mentally prepare for the difficult road ahead. Jason also tells the story of how he got into Ranger School, supposedly with his buddy, and how he made it in while his friend just slept in. He has a similar story of becoming a Green Beret where he ended up qualifying alone instead of with his classmate. He shares how it felt to finally get his Green Beret and the overwhelming sense of purpose that came with it. Jason also talks about Mission Six Zero, his for-profit leadership development company for corporate clients, and Warrior Rising, a nonprofit veteran service organization. Check out Jason's book, Deliberate Discomfort Check out Mission Six Zero: https://missionsixzero.com/ Visit Warrior Rising: https://www.warriorrising.org/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

This episode of The Jake Dunlap Show features Jason Van Camp, Founder of Warrior Rising and Mission 6 Zero. Jason grew up patriotic among a community of patriots. He grew up around sports and entered every sport he could, even the ones he wasn't particularly good at.By the time Jason was at West Point, he realized his desire to go on a mission. As luck would have it, he was to be sent to Russia, of all places. It was a culture shock but what Jason learned there would change his life.He became fluent in Russian and he learned to evangelize in an atheist, communist country. These life skills, which at the core was basically sales, would become formative in his later life when he would tread the path of an entrepreneur.Jason recalls extraordinary experiences in Russia, such as a run in with a mafia. Handled incorrectly, it could have been a kidnapping, but Jason's cool and confidence turned it into an amazing relationship where he got protection and provided the organization gear in return.For Jason, taking action is the most important. Motivation comes from the self and all he can do is inspire others to move, make something happen, and see results. Jason also believes that surrounding yourself with people that inspire you to do better is a key ingredient of success. He would become a Ranger, being only one of three guys to finish out of a hundred. His successes were only beginning as Jason would become a Green Beret soon after that. In his Special Forces mission in Iraq, he led some of the fiercest fighters, the Kurds, and they took the fight to the enemy and won.By the time he exited the military, Jason made it his personal mission to help veterans get back on their feet. Through his business and nonprofit, Jason helps his fellow patriots regain their purpose and find meaning in life outside the military.QUOTES: 20:42 "Especially when you read something in a foreign language, you can see how there's different perspectives on life and how people see things differently than you do and just really opened my mind."29:09 "They want to be thought leaders or they want to be a guru or a wellness coach. I'm like, don't be a thought leader, be an action leader. Don't be a guru, be a do-ru. Get up and do something. Take action. Move. I don't care what it is, just do something about it."30:09 "I can inspire you to motivate yourself so that you can take action so that you can see results. And once you see results, you inspire yourself to get motivated, to take more action, to see more results. And so it's like this circle of inspiration, motivation, action, and results."32:29 "If you want to be a millionaire, hang around millionaires. They'll all rub off on you. And you'll realize as you, as you hang out with these guys, that they're not that different from you. They're not that more special than you are. You can do the same thing."50:42 "One thing that you think about is what are their motivations? When you really start working with the leadership, you've got to find out what their values are, what they believe in, what they're made of."51:31 "What you learned about leadership, you have to trust other people to do their job. You can't micromanage. You can't be everywhere at once. You have to say, all right, this is what I need you to do. I trust you, go get it done."More about JasonJason Van Camp graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 2001. During his time here, he was a linebacker for the Army Black Knights Football Team and he went on a two-year LDS Church mission to Russia. He would become fluent in Russian during his time here.Jason's military successes were just about to begin. He entered Ranger School, an impressive feat in itself, but what is more amazing is that he is only one of three men who would finish the course.He was part of the tip of the spear in the invasion of Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division and would later become a Green Beret. In his function in the Special Forces, he innovated the idea of training the Peshmerga, fierce Kurdish fighters of the Iraqi Military, to liberate cities from tyranny. Jason is the recipient of multiple awards including the Bronze Star with V device for Valor as well as two additional Bronze Stars during numerous combat rotations as a Special Forces Detachment Commander in the Middle East and Africa.In 2015, Jaosn founded Warrior Rising which empowers U.S. veterans and their immediate families by providing them opportunities to create sustainable businesses, perpetuate the hiring of fellow U.S. military veterans, and earn their future.Last year, Jason published his book Deliberate Discomfort which can be purchased through his website below or through Amazon.com.Find out more about Jason, get his book, and connect with him in the following links:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-van-camp/Website (Deliberate Discomfort) - https://deliberatediscomfort.com/Website (Mission 6 Zero): http://www.missionsixzero.com/Website (Warrior Rising): https://www.warriorrising.org/Email - jason@www.warriorrising.orgLearn more about Jake Dunlap and Skaled by visiting the links below:Jake Dunlap:Personal Site - http://jakedunlap.com/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakedunlap/Twitter - https://twitter.com/JakeTDunlapInstagram - http://instagram.com/jake_dunlap_Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JakeTDunlap/Skaled:Website - https://skaled.com/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/skaledYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsw_03rSlbGQkeLGMGiDf4Q

Welcome Jason Van Camp!  We are so privileged to have this leader join "A Close Call With Death", to reflect a little on life lessons as a world traveled, experienced operator in the military special forces for the United States of America.  Jason is the Chairman at Mission Six Zero, Executive Director at Warrior Rising, and author of "Deliberate Discomfort".  When you are in the military as a special operator, you put your life at risk each and every day for our country.  As he says, that person next to you is the most important thing to fight for.  He continues to support, train, and uplift those around him to this day with his own podcast, interviews, corporate and pro athlete level trainings, and family/friends.  We need more people like him in our lives.  Listen in and see why.  It is worth checking out what this powerful and humble warrior has to say!  Thank you Jason for your time, the interview, and for your service!! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/bob-howard9/message

There's no way around it. Endurance training involves discomfort. A LOT of discomfort.First there's the physical and mental strain of training. Let's face it. The kind of exercise that gets results doesn't exactly feel like a massage! There's a lot of gasping and sweating and burning and feeling like you want to stop.Then you need to change your eating habits. You can still eat foods that give you pleasure, but it might happen way less often.You get to go to bed early while everyone else is up having fun. On vacation, you get to train while your friends and family go to the beach."Normal" people change one area of their lives at a time. You, however, have to break all the chains at once.So how do you make friends with discomfort so you can reach your goals?By realizing that discomfort is the price of admission to your dreams!On this week's podcast episode, I'll share some thoughts on getting comfortable with discomfort so it doesn't hold you back.Ready? Let's do this!Read Detailed Show Notes At:https://missadventurepants.com/70Mountain Fit Course:https://missadventurepants.teachable.com/p/mountain-fit/Facebook Group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/missadventurepants/Try Breathwork with Sarah:https://missadventurepants.com/breathworkSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/climbyourmountain)

In today's episode, Jimmy meets Jason Van Camp to discuss the value of being uncomfortable and how that is essential to the Hero's Journey.The Cashflow Tactics Team is pleased to welcome Jason back to the podcast. He is a former Green Beret, best-selling author, and founder of Mission Six Zero, a leadership consulting company.In a world where everybody is telling you to seek comfort and take the easy path, Jason tells people to do the exact opposite: seek discomfort.It's a counterintuitive approach. We're conditioned to choose comfort but taking the road less traveled, being vulnerable, daring to do something, or doing something that scares you is what brings you to success. Most of the time, breaking something and building it all over is what it takes to improve it. That's why for us humans, there is no growth in the comfort zone. We have to choose hard things, or hard things will choose us, you know, it's going to happen either way. We just have to be proactive about it.Key Takeaways:Introduction (0:00)A counterintuitive idea that works so well (3:20)The story behind The Deliberate Discomfort (18:39)The benefits of embracing being uncomfortable (26:23)Becoming the person you were destined to be (29:56)The Deliberate Discomfort Challenge (31:21)Additional Resources:Join Our CashFlow Tactics GroupTake Our FREE 5-day CashFlow Tactics Challenge

In this bonus content, Dr. Curtis explores some pearls of wisdom from a book called DELIBERATE DISCOMFORT, by Jason Van Camp. Dr. Curtis explores 5 enemies of flexible, adaptable thought. This episode is thought-provoking and has some practical thoughts on why maintaining a flexible mindset is so important for growth, performance, and momentum in life.

When we talk about vocational leadership, we often allude to the importance of situational awareness. After all, to be effective, you must be discerning at the moment.  However, as Jon Macaskill, Navy SEAL Commander and motivational speaker discusses in this episode, to be discerning requires a blend of mindfulness and meditation. For instance, a manager can know how to plan and delegate; however, until he knows how to calibrate in pressure situations, he cannot capitalize in pivotal circumstances.  As education in meditation, Jon provides insight on how to maximize mindfulness in corporate situations. From his experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan to his nonprofit for which he serves as Deputy Executive Director, Jon's current mission is to help high-performance entities replace stress and anxiety with renewed focus and productivity. Resources: Website: https://macaskillconsulting.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonmacaskill/ Deliberate Discomfort: https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Discomfort-Operations-Comfortable-Uncomfortable/dp/1733428011 Connect with Dan: www.dancockerell.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dancockerell/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dancockerell/ Facebook - www.facebook.com/dancockerellspeaker

Wondering what the heck happened to your creativity? Where did it go? You may have started life out as a child joyfully playing with Legos, or maybe you were more of a finger painter. Now, you're surrounded by Excel spreadsheets – and they're not even the color-coded ones! If you feel like your creative juices are just not flowing, then you've got to tune in to today's episode as Van Lai-DuMone talks about bringing creativity into the workplace.  We are all innately curious and creative, therefore good ideas can come from any level of an organization. And by cultivating ideas and sharing them in the workplace, everyone has a chance to have their voice heard. This is the foundation of Van's work as the Founder of worksmART, a progressive team development and leadership training company that activates creativity and experiential learning to enrich company culture and skyrocket performance.  Born in Vietnam and raised in Southern California, after her family fled Vietnam as war refugees, Van watched her parents pave a new life for themselves. She saw, first-hand, how creative thinking, innovation, and curiosity can help people overcome their circumstances. Van shares this story in her TEDx Talk titled, What if? The Life-Changing Power of Curiosity.  Van studied Psychology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and earned her MBA from Pepperdine University. With over 15 years of corporate and start-up experience, Van actively works to rewrite the way we apply creativity in the workplace, inviting clients to think with their hands and use right brain creative tools to disrupt traditional training methods. Her clients include game-changers such as Google, LinkedIn, and Pandora. Share this episode with someone who thinks they've lost touch of their fun and creative side and perhaps who needs a nudge to remind them that they're not just a boring adult who's not allowed to play. This is an informative conversation your friend will appreciate hearing from an MBA who has made fun core to her business model.  Highlights Courage: Assuming you are making a huge pivot might be all in your head, just take small steps until you're able to build on your courage muscle. Van had taken small courageous steps to build her confidence and knowledge. Curiosity: Say yes to opportunities when they arise whether you're ready or not.  Creativity in the workplace: Allowing people to build with their hands and think with their hands (ex. Lego and Playdough) taps into a part of their brain that you can't tap into just by speaking ideas.  Presence: Building and creating with your hands keeps people present and engaged in the moment.   Empowerment: Give everyone a chance to have their voice heard in the workplace. Innovation: You can't innovate unless you allow for creativity in the workplace. Creativity is allowing people to share ideas, express their opinions, put things on the table, even wild and crazy ideas. And then from those ideas, you can move into innovation. Hence, there's no innovation without creativity.  Experiential learning: Through Van's workshops, you allow for creativity in an experiential way to the learning topics so people can learn these topics in a way that makes sense to them. Take the leap: Enough of doing things halfway, right. If you want to own your own business and you've had this idea in your head, it's time to go for it.  Convergent thinking: Everyone's ideas are on the table but you're laying out the parameters and the criteria you're working under. It builds psychological safety and trust, and it levels the playing field.  Play: Play is a huge part of a child's development, how they learn, and how they negotiate socially. And when did that change in adulthood? Therefore, play has to be put back into the workplace or make it almost normal in the workplace because that's how they learn best. Capacity: Look at creativity as a capacity that we all have. No matter where you are in that capacity, you can always grow it. The process of allowing yourself the freedom and the time to just be expressive is where the learning comes in and ideas come into play. It doesn't matter what the end result is. Anxiety: Creativity opens up possibilities that relieve anxiety. It has the capacity to turn challenge or anxiety into opportunity to possibility. Self-awareness: Reflect on what brought you joy as a child that you've probably lost as an adult that you can bring back now. Links to continue to learn from Van Lai-DuMone: If you have a book launch, movie launch, or any event you want to promote join Van's Curious About Creativity Newsletter to stay updated on upcoming events: https://mailchi.mp/b3b0c019cc2c/7loc294itv  Watch Van's TEDx Talk titled, What if? The Life Changing Power of Curiosity Follow and connect with Van Lai-DuMone: Learn more about Van: www.worksmartadvantage.com  Check out Van on Instagram Stay connected with Van on Twitter Continue to listen to An Interview With Melissa Llarena podcast episodes  Continue To Explore My Other Binge-Worthy Episodes Books mentioned Deliberate Discomfort by Jason Van Camp The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron Want to grab your free copy of my Courage Makerspace (™) Playbook? 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Our Win The Week email comes out tomorrow. All fear, frustration, inconsistency, stress, discouragement, anxiety, and anger come from out-of-control thinking. Out-of-control thinking leads to out-of-control performance. Each Sunday I'll send you an email to make sure your mind stays disciplined for when you need it the most. Join the Win The Week Club at www.pazikperformancegroup.com/wtw "There are two common misconceptions regarding mental strength. The first misconception is that the attentional aspect of mental performance is some ethereal and complex thing that cannot be controlled or harnessed and learned... the second misconception is that our mindset and mental state, which are conscious and unconscious patterns of thinking, are the byproduct of environment, birthright, or circumstance rather than our personal responsibility." - Jason Van Camp

The Mental Game Enthusiasts are chatting on facebook. Search mental game enthusiasts on facebook and get in on the discussion. See you in there! "At the end of practice, we had team meetings. During those meetings, Coach Belichick would show highlights and lowlights. It didn't matter who you were; he'd call you out and put you on a lowlight if you deserved it. Likewise, a highlight." - Jason Van Camp

Our FREE communication and TRUST BUILDING mini-course is up and running! We'll go over the 8 communication skills you must master to succeed as a coach. You can sign up for it at https://www.pazikperformancegroup.com/masteringcommunication "He said his actions were instinct - instincts honed from living true to his values. This is the beauty of values: they answer the question, what would I do in this situation?" - Jason Van Camp

Our 6-week coaches course is getting up and running soon. Make sure you get on our short list to guarantee yourself a spot. You can check it out at https://www.pazikperformancegroup.com/6weekcoachescourse "What I'm saying is that it's OK to complain. Complaining shows that you care about the unit. You want the unit to be the best, and when it's not, it bothers you. If you truly didn't care whether the unit succeeded or failed, then you wouldn't say anything. You would just be silent and watch as the unit collapsed into mediocrity... Here's the thing: you can complain all day, BUT you also need to offer a solution." - Jason Van Camp

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Jason Van Camp is the author of the book, Deliberate Discomfort, which is both a Wall Street Journal and 2x #1 Amazon Best Selling book. For the last 10+ years, he has run the consulting firm, Mission Six Zero, which dramatically improve sales performance, reduces costs, and wins by providing their client's teams with a new way of solving organizational problems. He is also the Executive Director of the 501-3c organization, Warrior Rising. He is a graduate of West Point, as well as Brigham Young University's Business School, and is a 14-year Veteran of the US Army, where he served in the Green Beret. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-van-camp-076a5339/ https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Discomfort-Operations-Comfortable-Uncomfortable/dp/1733428011 https://missionsixzero.com/ https://www.warriorrising.org/

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When you have 3 branches of our powerful #Military represented on the same show by 3 incredible individuals doing amazing things, you know it's going to be a great one, folks! It was an honor having these men on the show.

If we want to grow, we need to be ready to get uncomfortable. Our guest, Jason Van Camp, is the author of Deliberate Discomfort. He believes that if we want to grow we should choose discomfort. As the Chairman of Mission Six Zero and the Executive Director of Warrior Rising, he brings his experiences as a Green Beret to help leaders succeed. He coaches us on how we can choose deliberate discomfort to drive new levels of authentic sales success.

Jason Van Camp - Unique Leadership Training and Veteran Entrepreneur Support Jason Van Camp is a West Point graduate and decorated Green Beret. He took this foundation and hasn't stopped building. From successful business owner to author to nonprofit founder. He is honored to be the founder of Warrior Rising as well as the CEO of Mission 6 Zero. His passion to serve the veteran community is unstoppable. Veteran Entrepreneur Support Described as his passion project, Jason launched Warrior Rising in 2015. This organization set out to create an opportunity for veterans “to create something sustainable, where they can do it for themselves and build something. It gives them purpose.” Warrior Rising helps veteran entrepreneurs to start or accelerate their businesses. Deliberate Discomfort Being an author was always on his bucket list, but after creating a successful company it seemed a natural next step. His story telling ability matched with leadership wisdom are paired beautifully in this hard to put down leadership book. “Deliberate Discomfort” is the ultimate book on leadership and self-improvement, pushing you to get out of your comfort zone. Curious to see who else has been in the VeteranCrowd Spotlight? Check them out  here. Learn More Mission 6 Zero Website: http://www.missionsixzero.com Warrior Rising Website: https://www.warriorrising.org/ Justin Clapsaddle Knives:https://www.facebook.com/clapsaddleknives/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-van-camp-076a5339/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5oRLrXJyLR_63embDN8UcQ About Your Host Bob Louthan is a VMI Graduate, Army veteran, and executive with over 25 years of experience in mergers, acquisitions and private capital formation. He founded the VeteranCrowd Network to bring veterans and veteran-led businesses together with each other and the resources they need to prosper.

How comfortable are YOU while you are uncomfortable? Do you actively look to put yourself in a position to grow? So you look for opportunities to overcome difficult obstacles? Jason Van Camp sits down with JR to talk about how getting comfortable with being uncomfortable is the key to success in all areas of life. 

Living in a world of risk sums up the life of this week's incredible guest, Jason Van Camp. As a West Point graduate, Jason is anything but faint-hearted in his experience as a decorated Green Beret in the U.S. Special Forces, in his business endeavors, and his dedication in helping other veterans unlock their potential and start their own business. He has authored the book: Deliberate Discomfort: How US Special Forces Overcome Fear and Dare to Win by Getting Comfortable Being Uncomfortable. Jason's will to win and his heart of service to others makes him an epic model of a successful human being.   In this episode you will hear:   If you never quit, you never fail. That journey you're on – it's not about trophies – it's about people, and the journeys you take with those people. The worse experience it is for you, the funnier story it is for everybody else. We put ourselves in deliberately uncomfortable situations so we can get out of our comfort zone and grow. My motivation is to collect as many stories as I possibly can. My mindset has shifted from being selfish to being selfless. It's hard to find your purpose. I want to help people, I want to make money, I want to do epic shit. Our non-profit – Warrior Rising – helps veterans start their own business. I'm a life-long student – always wearing my white belt. Go do something. Everyone can be a collaborator. Cooperate and graduate. I turned the military decision-making process into a business model.  Choose hard things before hard things choose you.

Success we all want it, but we often do not want to pay the price for it, or hear the answers on how to ultimately achieve it.  So often we think that success is a by product of getting the right breaks in life or business.  Some believe that success is just given to people.  Others believe that if you focus on success you will become successful.  However, when you start talking to combat veterans and hearing their stories, and you extract the lessons you come to realize something more.  Success comes from two very unique processes: One is deliberately getting uncomfortable doing things that you do not want to do, but doing them anyway on purpose.  The second and perhaps the most important process is to have a mindset of serving others.  Both are counterintuitive to what we typically believe but as we will here from Green Beret Major Jason Van Camp in this episode of A New Direction it is the formula that consistently works. Jason Van Camp has compiled a book of combat veterans who served our country in a variety of combat circumstances.  Many of these combat veterans lost body parts, their military career, and almost their lives in an effort to ensure that the mission would be successful and serving others in the process.  The award winning book Deliberate Discomfort is a phenomenal and insightful look at the lives of amazing veterans and their stories and the practical application that applies to your life, your career, and your business.  Deliberate Discomfort is going to make some of you uncomfortable, but it is exactly that discomfort and counterintuitive mindset that will change your life and business.  Please check out and financial support www.missionsixzero.com Please Thank The Sponsors of A New Direction by LIKING and Following their pages: EPIC Physical Therapy.  Whether you are injured from work, play, or you simply want to feel better about yourself and get better freedom of movement.  EPIC physical therapy has the latest state of the art technology and equipment, coupled with a certified staff to help you achieve your physical goals and get you back to where you want to be and give you a direction where you should be going.  When you really want EPIC relief, EPIC recovery, and EPIC results look no further than the people I use and trust EPIC Physical Therapy.  www.EPICpt.com Linda Craft & Team, Realtors no matter where you live in the world, Linda Craft and her team can help you find the best professional in your area to help you sell or buy your next home.  While most real estate professionals belong to a nationally affiliated company where they are obligated to use the people in their company's network.  Linda Craft and her team are privately owned and operated.  That means they can find the absolute best professional from ANY company to ensure you get the best service. Located in the Raleigh Research Triangle Park of North Carolina…they are indeed legendary when it comes to service.  Learn more  by going to Linda Craft & Team, Realtors  www.LindaCraft.com

This book is about getting comfortable being uncomfortable. Jason, as a Former Green Beret Commander, knows what discomfort in high pressure situations is all about, and shares the things he has learned in his book, Deliberate Discomfort, and on the 30 Second Book Club Podcast!

After graduating from West Point, Jason Van Camp earned his Ranger tabs in 2002. Along with the 101st Airborne, Jason was part of the invasion of Iraq in 2003. In 2006, Jason went through selection and earned his green beret. Afterward, he was assigned to the 10th Special Forces Group as a Detachment Commander. In […]

Maj. Jason Van Camp, Green Beret (ret'd) When it comes to Special Operating Forces there is a phrase commonly used, "embrace the suck".  The idea that you are in the midst of horrible circumstances you have to decide if you are going to make through this adversity, you have to sit in the middle of this discomfort so that you can come through it in the end.  Now let me ask you this, if you want to be Leadership and be successful will you deliberately choose discomfort?  Or are you trying to find a way around the uncomfortable so that you can do only what you like to do.  The fact is if you look at the most successful leadership in the world and our military special forces they intentional choose the difficult course.  Why?  Because success is about doing the hard things, the things you don't want to do, doing the things you hate, and using that energy as a catalyst to propel you to even greater success. Green Beret Major Jason Van Camp (ret'd) joins on A New Direction discussing the elements of "Deliberate Discomfort: How U.S. Special Operations Forces Overcome Fear and Dare to Win by Getting Comfortable Being Uncomfortable " to propel you to become a greater leader and enjoy greater success.  The book is one story after another of men that Jason interviewed before taking his first command.  These men endured some of the most grueling conditions, suffered under fire, some were shot, lost limbs, blown up, and had to make incredible decisions to not just take one more step, but decide if they wanted to live.  The choose to embrace "the suck".  In order to survive and thrive they chose Deliberate Discomfort. In addition to his work as the director of Mission Six Zero Jason Van Camp also serves as the leader of a non-profit organization called Warrior Rising empowers U.S. military veterans and their immediate family members by providing them opportunities to create sustainable businesses, perpetuate the hiring of fellow American veterans, and earn their future.   Please make a donation by clicking on Donate to Warrior Rising. Please reach out and thank the sponsors of A New Direction EPIC Physical Therapy - www.EPICpt.com Linda Craft & Team, Realtors - www.LindaCraft.com

In this episode, Author or "Deliberate Discomfort" talks about some of his experiences on how they relate to real business and personal decision making and application.

Welcome to Episode #19 of the Spotlight Podcast: Success Stories for Veterans, where it is our job to breakdown and analyze Titans in the military and civilian communities to discover their tactics, mindset, and systems so that you can apply them to your life and your transition. Those Titans range from NYT best-selling authors to former heads of state to other divergent thinkers who dominate their field by challenging conventional wisdom. Today we are interviewing: Nate Boyer. Nate's transition story began when he left active duty with the Green Berets to attend the University of Texas, where he earned a starting spot on the football team as a walk-on. Nate went on to gain more national attention for his role in the Colin Kaepernick protest. Now Nate is making films, working with Mission 6 Zero, and featured in the book Deliberate Discomfort. So how does Nate do it all? Listen and find out.

Ken Vennera is a man of many hats.Wharton educated, corporate lawyer, and mentor, he is also involved with Warrior Rising as Chief of Staff — a veteran nonprofit that helps veteran entrepreneurs get off the ground and positioned for success. Show Notes For more: LinkedIn | Warrior Rising | Operation Homefront | Vets2Industry Theme music by: Ruel Morales Audio Transcript Brian Schoenborn 0:01 Hello, hello. Hey everybody. Our guest today is a man of many hats. Wharton educated. He's a lawyer, also involved with Warrior Rising as Chief of Staff, veteran nonprofit that helps veteran entrepreneurs get off the ground and get to where they need to be. Give it up for my friend, Ken Vennera. Brian Schoenborn 0:25 My name is Brian Schoenborn. I'm an explorer of people, places and culture. In my travels, spanning over 20 countries across four continents, I've had the pleasure of engaging in authentic conversations with amazingly interesting people. These are their stories, on location and unfiltered. Presented by 8B Media, this is Half the City. Brian Schoenborn 0:52 So what's up, Ken, how's it going? Ken Vennera 0:54 Much Brian, thanks for having me on the show. Brian Schoenborn 0:56 Yeah, no problem, man. So listeners where we're sitting You're on location in Philadelphia, beautiful Philadelphia Ken Vennera 1:03 City of Brotherly Love. Brian Schoenborn 1:04 That's right. And we are. We're in the peak of the coronavirus madness, but we're not going to talk about it. We're going to give you guys something else to talk about. Ken Vennera 1:14 Thank you. Brian Schoenborn 1:14 Yes. So can tell me a little bit. Um, one of the things I like to do is kind of discuss origin stories a little bit. Ken Vennera 1:22 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 1:22 You know, how people that have been that have seen a lot of success and things like that, how they got to where they, where they got, so maybe you could maybe you could start with like, just a little, maybe a little bit more of an in depth intro than what I provided, what you're up to. And then we can go back and like kind of dig in like how you got from point A to point B? Ken Vennera 1:40 Sure. Sounds good. So I as you mentioned, I have a bachelor's degree from the Wharton School, the University of Pennsylvania, my undergrad, for that. I have a law degree, JD, from Widener University School of Law, which Used to be the Delaware School of Law, and also have a master's degree in law in taxation from Villanova University. Brian Schoenborn 2:07 Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, a lot, a lot of time in class. Ken Vennera 2:10 a lot of time in school for sure, for sure, much too much time as my grandmother would probably. I've been involved in a lot of veteran nonprofit space. You know, we could talk about that a little bit later, if you like, as well. But, you know, currently Chief of Staff with Warrior Rising. A super, super organization that, as you mentioned, you know, helps veterans who are looking to start businesses, you know, and accelerate them. You know, and earn, basically, you know, their future. And you know, a few others as well. I'm involved with Vets2Industry, sit on the foundation board for them, and others that I've been involved with along the way. You know, I can give you a little bit more background about that. I'm on the advisory board of Operation Homefront of Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, for example, Brian Schoenborn 2:13 What is Operation Homefront? Ken Vennera 2:58 So Operation Homefront was founded probably about 15 years ago, roughly, I want to say, to provide sort of emergency assistance to active duty military while they were deployed in order to keep their families stable and things like that. You know, they've since changed, not change their mission, but morphed their mission a little bit more, you know, they help with, you know, veterans that need housing. They still help with some mergency financial assistance and things like that. I mean, they're nationwide. But they're all about, you know, really maintaining the families for the military, you know, in times of, you know, crisis and things like that. Brian Schoenborn 3:38 Gotcha. Ken Vennera 3:38 They've expanded out a little bit towards, you know, National Guard space and things like that, and some veterans up to a certain point, but, you know, some some great work. Yeah, as I mentioned, I was I was very active many, many years ago with them probably during the height of deployments from about, you know, 2006 to roughly 2010 or so. I was chairman when they had independent chapters did a lot to really grow the Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey chapter into an actual, you know, operating entity from what it was. And, you know, proud to say that it's still successful. I mean, national national organization is nationalized all of the chapters now into basically field offices. But some of the people, you know, some of the key people that I put in place like Pete Stenson, for example, who was chapter president under me, is now a regional director for them. So you know, his territory pretty much covers all the way from Maine down to Maryland. Brian Schoenborn 4:44 Oh, wow, okay. A huge chunk. Ken Vennera 4:46 Yeah. So, you know, so there's that, you know, try and do you know, what I can, I mean, not having served myself. I mean, it's pretty important for me to, you know, help out, you know, the military. There's large military presence in my family as well. And a lot of friends of mine and things and Brian Schoenborn 5:01 yeah, so I mean, I'm a veteran, obviously, and I appreciate everything you've done that you do for us. Just curious. I mean, where does where does all that come from? Like, the desire to? Ken Vennera 5:13 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 5:13 You know? Yeah, so be more respect, you know, be with as involved with the military and vets as you are. Ken Vennera 5:19 Um, you know, I'd say a lot of things. My grandparents were, you know, an immigrant generation, you know, coming from Italy. But, you know, they left Italy because there was not opportunity. I don't mean to sort of sound cliche about it, but that's really, you know, the truth of it. You know, they came to this country, and we're extremely, extremely proud of it. My grandparents themselves, were the sort of oldest of their generation so and they came from very large families. So, the younger members of the family were born here, and were proud to have served in the military. I had a great uncle, my grandmother's brother that, among others, I mean, others of her brothers served in World War Two as well. But her youngest brother just passed away about six months ago now. Yeah, and he was in the Battle of the Bulge and you know, he's 95, 96 years old when he passed away. So, there was a, there was a huge patriotic feeling in the family even though you know, again, they came from, you know, a different background, you know, ethnically, etc. but very, very much in support of, you know, the military in this country, etc. And so, you know, very much loving the country and what, you know what was done. My grandmother, it was very funny, saved my uncle's letters when he would write them from every place. From like, France, from Belgium, from Germany, Brian Schoenborn 5:35 That's cool. Ken Vennera 6:24 Even uncle Yeah, and I still have them to this day because she cherished you know, like every one of those letters that you know, he wrote. I think their last stop To be honest, he And after that being, you know, part of the Battle of the Bulge. Their last stop in Germany was Fürstenfeldbruck, which is right near Dachau concentration camps. So I'm sure that, you know, they're probably involved in liberation, you know, Dachau as well, Brian Schoenborn 7:14 That's amazing. Ken Vennera 7:14 Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Brian Schoenborn 7:16 You ever pull out those letters and like, read them, like, get an idea of like, Ken Vennera 7:19 I've looked at him with friends. You know, it's very funny to see, like that first perspective and know that it's sort of a family member that experienced that, you know, you know, you see things from like that era. And you think, again, you know, it's a little bit cliche, but, you know, there's there's mentions of, you know, we really have Hitler's boys on the run now and things like that. Yeah. And it's just, you know, just crazy to think that they were experiencing that firsthand and relating it, you know, back as best they could, you know, back in those days, there was no internet or things like that. You couldn't even really pick up the telephone call family or anything. So Brian Schoenborn 7:55 It's literally just letters and who knows how long it took a day and some of them on a ship or whatever else, right? Ken Vennera 8:01 And some of them worst are centered, you know, things like that as to what was said, so that you weren't giving away like locations and things like that, while they're removing, I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, to feel like that part of history and things like that. So, you know, even subsequent to that, I mean, my father's generation, you know, I've uncles that, you know, served in Korea, and then thereafter, you know, mementos that they brought back from, you know, Japan and other places and so forth, you know, from their, from their tours. You know, a lot of friends of mine, served in the military as well. Both, you know, ahead of me and even slightly younger than me, you know, and I just have a great respect for them seeing what you know, they were dealing with while they're in and, you know, the sacrifices that they made, being away from family, crucial times and things like that in places that they didn't necessarily want to be to do what they had to do, you know, so, it bred a lot of respect, you know, for that, but the real sort of impetus to help me, and I'm sorry if I'm talking too much. Brian Schoenborn 9:04 No, no, please. This is for you man. Ken Vennera 9:06 I appreciate that. Brian Schoenborn 9:07 This is for you to talk. Listen, it's all good. Yeah. Ken Vennera 9:10 So I was working in Manhattan when 911 happened. And, you know, to tell you it was, in all honesty, one of the most impactful kind of situations I ever been involved with, I mean, Brian Schoenborn 9:25 How close were you to ground zero? Ken Vennera 9:27 so I wasn't thankfully, you know, at the World Trade Center site or even, you know, close to it in lower Manhattan, but, um, you know, it's still extremely traumatic. I actually was coming in on the train that day. And, you know, the first tower, we were coming up along the Meadowlands you know, areas like you know, in the train pretty much comes up at lower Manhattan right at the tip. So you're facing right at the World Trade Centers and World Trade Center and the first tower at 8:48 was already on fire. You then take a turn And start going up along Manhattan before you turn into the tunnel and Penn Station. Yep. But so you know, we probably hit that point at nine o'clock so as you know, at 9:02 the second tower was hit so we literally saw the second we didn't see the plane itself. But yeah, we saw the second tower explode man. And I can recount to you Brian, in all honesty, every word that was said on that train by everybody around me as to what was going on. Things like that the confusion, the the craziness of not understanding, thinking that it was a rogue plane and a pilot problem and all that kind of stuff all the way to, you know, no, we're at war and things like that. And then getting into a city, you know, one of the largest cities, you know, on the face of the earth and having it completely abandoned. I mean, I don't even want to talk about coronavirus but it's like a lot like that. Ken Vennera 10:56 Apocalytic. You know, scenes of streets that are using Full of, you know, hundreds and thousands of cars like completely devoid of cars and people and all that kind of stuff. And then, you know, just the horror of you know, the towers falling. You know, these are like, they were largest buildings, the tallest buildings in the world at one time. And here they are collapsing with thousands of people that you knew were trapped, you know, just the horror of that and, you know, everything that that came from that us not being able to leave the city. Now that feeling of being told that you can't leave somewhere. I mean, it's not like being in prison, but it's very much a traumatic thing. Brian Schoenborn 10:56 Yeah yeah yeah, mmhmm. Brian Schoenborn 11:37 It's unsettling, for sure, yeah. Ken Vennera 11:38 Like to say, you know, you can't leave you can't go home. You know, it's it's, it's very odd feeling and then, you know, having, you know, fighter jets flying over overhead that you don't know that, you know, you can't see from the ground that they're necessarily US planes, you know, not knowing. Yeah, right. What's going on and? Brian Schoenborn 11:56 It's like Pearl Harbor all over again. Ken Vennera 11:57 Oh, yeah. Like really, I mean, like it was, you know, trauma after trauma like experiences, I mean, there were a Grand Central Station was at the end of 44th Street, which was the street in which my office was you know, there were bomb scare so they would get evacuated and you would see hundreds of people running down 44th Street, which is a very narrow street, two lanes, but, um, you know, to see people running for their lives, man like it's a strange feeling. And then, you know, to cap that off. You know, we were finally able to leave Manhattan that day. And, you know, not until about three o'clock in the afternoon the George Washington Bridge finally opened up. Brian Schoenborn 12:38 Hmm. Ken Vennera 12:38 We it took us about three hours to get from where the parking was all the way up to the George Washington Bridge, which was only about 70 blocks. Brian Schoenborn 12:48 Yeah. Ken Vennera 12:49 But literally just got across the George Washington Bridge and a van had pulled onto the lower deck and they closed it down again. So it was that kind of day where it was like you literally felt like you were trying to escape, you know what was going on and then to see hundreds, hundreds Brian, I'm not even exaggerating, but hundreds of rescue EMT, ambulances parked in the center lanes of the New Jersey Turnpike all the way down almost to lower Manhattan. I mean, it's just the, you know. Brian Schoenborn 13:21 The first responders. Ken Vennera 13:22 Yeah, the first responders from areas that were even further south than Philadelphia have, like my areas that I like to recognize names of, like to realize the kind of response it you know, was drawn by the horrible things that were happening that day. I mean, it was just, it just was a tremendous, you know, and I managed to come back into the city Two days later, you know, 911 was on a Tuesday. That Wednesday, nobody was allowed back in, but that Thursday, I made a journey back just to see what was going on to check in on you know, clients or just to get some handle on the chaos and you Imagine being on a 10 car rail train and you know, the the total number of people on those all 10 cars was probably 20 people you know, and and Brian Schoenborn 13:37 It was a ghost town. Unknown Speaker 14:15 it just totally was crazy and you know, I distinctly remember the car that I was in there were four other people on that car with me and they had photographs of family members that they were going to try and go find now this is two days later, Brian, and all I could think to myself is like oh my god, man. Like it's two days later like you know, if they're in trouble or like they're they're gone right like and but like feeling like in that position of like, if that were me going to try and find loved ones two days later. I mean, like, how horrible would that be? You know what I mean? Like so again, like if just trauma after trauma in terms of in those kinds of things, I mean, Bryant Park and others big gathering, you know, open areas and things like that would have huge pieces of plywood joined together with hundreds of photos on them, like in makeshift memorials like all over the city man, like it was just, it was just crazy. And then, you know, you would go back to like Penn Station and you would see firemen that like days after were covered in soot and stuff like that and just collapsed on the ground pretty much from exhaustion. You know, and seeing National Guardsmen in the station with machine guns and things like that. I mean, it's just not things you're used to, in this country man, and to have all of that happen at one time was, you know, fairly impactful to me. And that, you know, that was Brian Schoenborn 15:41 That changed everything, man. Ken Vennera 15:42 Yeah. And you know, and so that was the genesis for me of like, understanding why a lot of people would want to sign up, you know, after seeing those kinds of things. You know, I was a little bit past probably, maybe the waiver age, you know, even at that time, but still was interested in doing some way to try and help You know, and like I said, and then supporting friends of mine that were in because of it. You know, it just changed my outlook as to how I could play a part, you know, and helping out and things like that. And so, Brian Schoenborn 16:11 You know, I, I was active duty when 911 happened. Ken Vennera 16:15 Yeah? Brian Schoenborn 16:15 Yeah, I was, you know, 50 caliber machine gunner. active in the Marine Corps. I was stationed in Camp Pendleton, so I was in San Diego. Ken Vennera 16:22 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 16:23 I'll never forget, you know, eating morning chow. I was in the chow hall eating breakfast. I'm sitting at this table by myself. I had already had PTSD at this point. So I was in the process of being medically discharged. But I was sitting there by myself. And I looked up, you know, there's these, you know, TV screens, right monitors or whatever, up in the corners. And usually there's like the news or something on, right? And I'm like eating I'm eating an omelet and green pepper onion, and cheese omelet. Ken Vennera 16:54 Nice. Brian Schoenborn 16:55 And I look up and then the computer screen or on the on the TV screen, rather, I see these two buildings that are burning? And I'm like, What the fuck? I'm like this guy just like a commercial, like a movie trailer or some shit like that. Right? Ken Vennera 17:06 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 17:07 And then then the entire chow hall got quiet. And I looked up again and it said, CNN on one corner and live on the other one. Ken Vennera 17:15 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 17:15 The trade. The Trade Towers have been hit. Ken Vennera 17:17 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 17:18 And it was at that point, you know, like I said, everyone got all quiet. Finished my, I finished my omelet. And as I left to go back to my barracks and get ready for formation, I heard this guy just screams just goes, we're going to war. Ken Vennera 17:34 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 17:34 And I was like, you know, like, my patriotism shot through the roof at that point, man. Ken Vennera 17:37 Of course. Brian Schoenborn 17:37 Like, you know, if I wasn't already dealing with my PTSD, I would have been Ken Vennera 17:44 deployed Brian Schoenborn 17:44 more than more than ready, willing and able to be deployed. Ken Vennera 17:47 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 17:47 In fact, you know, my unit was the first to go to Iraq after after 911. Yeah. And they fought in Fallujah, stuff like that. Ken Vennera 17:55 No doubt. Brian Schoenborn 17:55 It really tore me up for a long time actually, afterwards that I couldn't be there for my brother's. Couldn't be able to protect and defend Ken Vennera 18:02 pretty common Brian Schoenborn 18:03 our country and, or retaliate for it. Ken Vennera 18:05 Sure. But you find other ways to do it. I mean, that's sort of, you know, me to a much lesser extent, obviously, in you. I mean, you're already wearing, you know, the cloth of the country that point. But, you know, you try and find other ways. I mean, that's sort of what it's all about, you know, being part of a team, you know, you you make do with what you can do. Brian Schoenborn 18:24 Yep. Ken Vennera 18:24 You know, so. Brian Schoenborn 18:25 So, so that's what led you to doing Ken Vennera 18:28 a lot of military involvement Brian Schoenborn 18:30 philanthropic work and stuff like that Ken Vennera 18:31 Yeah, with that military, you know, direction. Sure. Brian Schoenborn 18:35 Mm hmm. So, you were Ken Vennera what? Corporate lawyer, corporate hack? Ken Vennera 18:40 Corporate lawyer. Not corporate hack. Thanks a lot, Brian. Geez. Corporate lawyer, for sure. Brian Schoenborn 18:47 okay. Sure. Okay. And then you started moving into this doing some of those volunteer or Ken Vennera 18:53 totally on the volunteer side. I mean, anything I was doing even with operational front at that time was all volunteer time. I still working full time. And, you know, taking care of other things. I mean, I'm involved very much in my local community, you know, as well like my HOA and things like that. But yeah, just doing it on the side and, you know, trying to make a difference as much as possible. Brian Schoenborn 19:15 How do you have time for all that? That's my question. Ken Vennera 19:18 I don't sleep much. I don't sleep much. You know, you guys in the military, you probably understand this more so right, is that, you know, sleep asleep enough when I'm dead, right. Brian Schoenborn 19:27 That's what the old gunny says, for sure. Ken Vennera 19:29 That's it. So you know, I kind of living proof of that. So, yeah, I just try and do as much as I can, you know, and I'm pretty efficient when I do things, you know, for sure. When I have the sport to be able to do it. Brian Schoenborn 19:41 But so So tell me a bit about I'm gonna keep talking about this veteran stuff for sure. Tell me a little bit about Warrior Rising. So I know a little bit I've gotten involved with warrior rising about six months ago, roughly. Ken Vennera 19:53 Yep. Brian Schoenborn 19:54 Something like that. That's how we met actually. Ken Vennera 19:55 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 19:56 But for the listeners, maybe you can kind of give a little high level view and then You know, I can talk about our involvement how how we got connected as well. Ken Vennera 20:03 Absolutely. So, Jason van Camp, he was a major in the US Army, he was Green Beret and Ranger. Brian Schoenborn 20:12 Yep. Ken Vennera 20:14 He was, you know, medically retired from the military, but still, you know, fairly young guy and said, you know, look, I have a lot of life ahead of me, got involved in starting a business himself, because that's what a lot of his peers that had gotten out were doing. And quite a few people that were colleagues of his would, you know, want to sort of emulate what he was doing and you know, got the idea of asking you know, him for assistance and he said, Well, you know, maybe it's a good idea to create a an organization or program whereby, or program within an organization, whereby we could help veterans who are looking to start their businesses and support themselves basically, you know, and and reestablish the purpose that existed in the military, reapply that ambition etc that existed there. Restore, you know, sort of that dignity of being, you know, receiving benefit from what you know their own hands and their own work and things like that. So he did you know, he created about five years ago, back in 2015, stood it up, put together a program. At first it was live instruction, but then converted to video instruction, etc. And basically, the program is evolved into a four pillar program that provides instruction, mentorship, funding opportunities, and then last part we're a community, which recognizes the fact that even coming out of the military, one of the things most people miss is that sense of team that existed around the military people. So it's reestablishing that being the local face of you know, Warrior Rising in locations throughout the country. You know, the organization is really, really prospered you know, quite a bit. Thanks to, you know, a lot of what, you know, Jason and the team have put together. They are getting or we're getting approximately, you know, last year, over 1000 applicants. Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 22:13 That's huge. Ken Vennera 22:13 Yeah. And, you know, pretty steady clip of, you know, 20 to 25 applicants every week. Brian Schoenborn 22:18 Wow. Where are they coming from all over the country? Ken Vennera 22:22 All over the country. Yeah, I can tell you probably the top five states. Number one absolutely is Texas. There's a good 13% of all the applicants are coming from Texas. Brian Schoenborn 22:33 It's a big veteran state too. Ken Vennera 22:34 Sure, sure. And and they all follow pretty much that pattern as well. California is second, probably with like close to 9% of all come from California. Florida is probably a close third with about you know, 7% and then of course, you know, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, New York, believe it or not. You know, but, you know, as of last count, I think we had applicants from all All all but one state I think we had 49 states that we had applicants from. Vermont being the lone holdout of all places. Brian Schoenborn 22:57 Really? Vermont? Ken Vennera 23:07 I know, Vermont, I know you would figure you think it'd be like Alaska or Hawaii. No, Vermont was the lone holdout. Although, you know, that that might have that gap might have closed since then. I mean, this probably a month or so two ago. But yeah, so, you know, the organization really, you know, it focuses on being a full lifecycle. I mean, there's lots of organizations that do parts of it that are very similar, you know, mentoring and things like that, as well as government programs through the SPDC or SBA programs and things like that as well. But, you know, Warrior Rising, really proud that prides itself on being a full lifecycle for that so that somebody comes in at any given stage, whether it's concept or whether, you know, they're further along as well, they could have, you know, being an MBA program even, it pretty much looks at that individual and says, here's where you are, here's where you need to be to move on to the next step. And then we'll shepherd you, you know, through all those stages, whether it's funding, whether it's again, maintaining that community on the back end, you know, etc. It's not just sort of a one and done, you know, yeah, we mentor, no, we're doing everything, you know, that's part of that program to make sure that people are feel like they're treated, you know, individually, you know, with what their needs are, and then where they need to move on to to achieve you know, viability, sustainability, which are to pill, you know, to guidestones, guideposts sorry, and, and be able to sustain themselves, you know, in business so. Brian Schoenborn 24:34 I'll tell you guys, you guys got me man, I, we had this discussion The other day you and I did and I forget, I forget exactly how I came across Warrior Rising but I but I did, right? I came across it and I put in my application, you know, so I had to submit my business plan. I submit my pitch deck, right, that kind of stuff. You know what kind of funding I'm looking for. And you had me when you got a hold of me and you said Brian, I think you're one of the most prepared guys I've ever seen. Ken Vennera 25:00 Yeah, it's true, though it's true. You know, I see a lot of applicants for sure. Yeah. And listen, you know, even those that aren't as well prepared. I mean, we do our best to try and you know, help them as well. Brian Schoenborn 25:10 Well, that's the thing though, cuz I mean, like, I get nervous because, you know, I don't want to fly by the seat of my pants. Ken Vennera 25:14 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 25:15 I want to make sure that I'm gonna do something that I'm gonna put all my heart and soul into it. Ken Vennera 25:18 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 25:20 Especially given some of these other opportunities in the past that I'd gotten the short end of the stick on. Yeah. I want to make sure that I built my, my media company, on a solid foundation. Ken Vennera 25:32 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 25:32 Right? But it's, I think it's good to have that. But you also have to recognize at what time are you ready to take the leap and start executing? Ken Vennera 25:38 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 25:39 Right? So like for me, I had plan and plan and plan and plan and I recorded some interviews and you know, stuff like that. And I was nervous to hit submit. Ken Vennera 25:48 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 25:49 Right? It wasn't until a friend of mine she she put a big boot in my eyes and said fucking do it. Do this, Brian. Submit right? Ken Vennera 25:58 Do it. Do it exactly. Brian Schoenborn 25:59 No more. There's no more pussyfooting around what I you know, like, just do it. And so I have, yeah. And you know, it's been going all right. But um, you know, but the point being is that, you know, there's other applicants out or entrepreneurs in general, veteran entrepreneurs that that well, even just regular entrepreneurs, like in general veteran or otherwise, you know, there has to be a point in time where you have to say, okay, let's execute. Ken Vennera 26:24 Yeah, I'll tell you the biggest two problems, Brian, that I see. And, and it's pretty typical, as you mentioned, across the board, whether military, you know, ex military or not, is, you know, people either follow one of two routes, and that is they either plan and don't execute, or they execute without planning. Brian Schoenborn 26:42 Yes. Ken Vennera 26:42 Which is also a big problem as well. Brian Schoenborn 26:44 Yeah, they could both be recipes for disaster. Ken Vennera 26:46 Yeah. And they and they are because you know, they executing without planning is definitely a recipe for driving off a cliff. Brian Schoenborn 26:51 That's where you're just making shit up. Right? Ken Vennera 26:53 Yeah. Exactly. Just it doesn't work. It might work for a short time. Yeah. But you know that and that's why all You know, we strive for, again, its viability and sustainability, right, like viability meaning, you know, will it work and sustainability, you know, will it last, you know, kind of thing. Because they're very, they're they're both very important. You can't have one without the other. Brian Schoenborn 27:13 Yep. Ken Vennera 27:14 Yeah, it's a little bit hard. I will tell you sometimes especially, you know, trying to have people who put a lot of their effort into something and they've worked very hard, either in the military or, you know, in trying to stand up their business, you know, it's hard to tell people that are entrepreneurially minded, and a little bit of ego, you know, behind it, that, you know, where they have gaps and identify, you know, where their flaws. You know, that sometimes is a stumbling block, because people take it as criticism, but it's never intended that way. It's really just intended to say, look, you know, we don't need to help you where you're strong, but we need to help you where you have gaps, you know, where you're missing things. And, yeah, it's a little bit hard, but I think once people understand that, they don't see it then as criticism. They see it as, you know, helping you in the areas where you're weak, you know? And that's what a team does, right? I mean, that's what your teammates do is they pick you up where you're weak, you know, and help you Brian Schoenborn 28:08 Talk about egos man, because not only not only are these people entrepreneurs, so they believe in themselves enough that they have something that people want to buy. Sure. But they're also veterans, which means they've gone through hell and seen a lot of things that other people haven't seen for sure. Ken Vennera 28:24 Yeah, sure. So it is hard. It's hard to tell somebody like here's what you don't know. Brian Schoenborn 28:30 Yep. Oh, no. I mean, even in our first couple of conversations, I'm like, What the hell, I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about, Ken. Just like, you know, you're kind of like, you know, talk to me off the ledge a little bit, you know, shit like that. So I want to know, um, so you mentioned I just want to talk a little bit about your partner Jason are, you know, the leader of this? Ken Vennera 28:49 He's Executive Director, I work for him. Brian Schoenborn 28:50 Right. Right. Right. He's the leader. Yeah. Jason van Camp. So you're saying he's a Green Beret officer? Ken Vennera 28:58 He was he was a major major. Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 29:00 Nice. I wonder if he knows my or if he knows my friend Chris. I bet he does. He was a lieutenant colonel Green Beret. He was 30, 30. Ken Vennera 29:06 What's his last name? Brian Schoenborn 29:07 Schmidt. Ken Vennera 29:08 I don't know possibly. Brian Schoenborn 29:09 He was a an army in the army for like 30 years and 18 of it as a Green Beret. Yeah, pretty long, significant career as well, that asides and I'm just kind of mumbling out about that. But I'm just curious. Like, what if any types of values or frameworks, maybe that Jason got from his time in the Special Forces does he carry over? Ken Vennera 29:37 That is well, it's not if any, there's certainly certainly a lot of them I mean, that's that could be probably show but our program all by itself, Brian, to be honest with you. Brian Schoenborn 29:46 It'd be awesome to get him on. Ken Vennera 29:49 Definitely. He definitely should. I'd highly recommend it, man. I'll tell you what, you know, Jason is one of the most, you know, inspiring guys that I've ever cross, you know, come across in my life. He looks at things with that, you know, intense drive towards, you know, success. I mean, you know, he he will tell you no, no rush, you know, don't rush to failure, you know, you know, he's very selfless guy very interested in helping other people. You know, even when he you know, he just wrote a book, Deliberate Discomfort, which, you know, is now out on Amazon, etc. But you know, even doing that, I mean, you know, there's people out there, especially in the military community that write books and other people, you know, people have different opinions about former military people that write books and things like that. But I can tell you, you know, in all honesty, I mean, Jason is definitely a guy that is about helping people, you know, like, it's, it's first about, you know, teaching and driving you to be a better person, before even himself. I mean, he's definitely a guy that's you know, about team creating that you know, sort of team spirit and you know, his concept of, you know, deliberate discomfort, you know, from Special Forces times, you know, his training, etc. revolves, you know, around that whole idea of, you know, putting yourself into situations where you're not comfortable and getting used to that and making yourself a stronger person. Brian Schoenborn 31:19 Hell yeah. Ken Vennera 31:20 Um, and, you know, I can tell you, I mean, that's the theme of his book. He tells it through stories of individual, you know, individuals in different situations to, you know, as examples and then gives you sort of the science behind it. I mean, it's a tremendous, tremendous book. I mean, there's a lot of great lessons, you know, that he has there, but he as a person, man. It's, it's way beyond even what's you know, in that book, I mean, he is definitely the type that inspires people to do better. Which is obviously one of the main characteristics of you know, being a leader. Brian Schoenborn 31:54 Yep. Ken Vennera 31:55 You know, again, it's all about creating something above himself. Putting himself out there all the time. I mean, I can't even tell you all the sacrifices, I could tell you. But again, it would probably be its own show. All the sacrifices that he makes, I mean, you know, he's got his own business, running, you know, Warrior Rising, he's got a family, a young family, you know, besides that, you know, requires and demands, you know, his attention and things like that. And he really gives his all to all of those things. And it's just amazing. It's just amazing to me, you know, how he's able to do you know, that stuff. And like I said, I mean, you know, I'm a pretty smart guy. I have a pretty solid background myself, but I definitely consider Jason one of the most, you know, inspiring and admirable guys I've ever come across, you know, in terms of having those qualities of leadership but also that side that, you know, cares about people, you know, things like that. I mean, he's definitely not the typical hard nosed military, when it comes to the interpersonal side, but surely, in terms of the values and characteristics that he carries over from his training that you asked about. He's definitely, you know, all about, you know, carrying them over in the best way possible to help people be better people, you know, kind of thing, so. Brian Schoenborn 33:10 That's, that's interesting. I want to talk a little bit about the, the concept of deliberate discomfort. Ken Vennera 33:16 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 33:17 I think I think he and I kind of share that ethos. Now for years. I've said about getting comfortable outside your comfort zone. Right? So we word it a little bit differently. But I you know, I consider myself very comfortable. being uncomfortable. You know, it's the things that are unfamiliar the things that you don't know you haven't done, you haven't eaten. People you haven't interacted with, whatever. You know, it's part of the reason why I dropped everything in New York and moved to China. Right? Ken Vennera 33:47 There you go. Brian Schoenborn 33:47 I didn't know anybody. I just never been there. Ken Vennera 33:49 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 33:50 I didn't know what to expect. You know, nevermind the language, right? Ken Vennera 33:54 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 33:55 But until you until you get out there and do something, you know, like getting getting in that discomfort zone or getting outside of your comfort zone. I mean, that's, I feel like that's where you that's where the learning happens. Ken Vennera 34:09 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 34:09 That's where the growth happens. Ken Vennera 34:11 Exactly. Brian Schoenborn 34:11 Like that's where, you know, you and there's nothing wrong with like staying in your little bubble your entire life either necessarily I mean some people can live nice comfortable lives. Ken Vennera 34:22 Different strokes, different strokes for different folks, you know, as they say, right but you know, the real genesis of creativity comes from, you know, stressful situations, unfortunately, you know, I mean, I know you didn't want to talk about Corona virus, Brian Schoenborn 34:36 but whatever we can talk about it. Ken Vennera 34:36 But not too much. Thankfully, there's too much talk about it as it is. But, you know, the thing I find is that, you know, innovation comes from stressful sit, you know, from problems, you know, like, look at all the inventions that were throughout history has created, you know, a lot of innovation has come from, you know, technology and things like that have come from, you know, being in those kinds of situations. We're like, look, we have to do something about this. You know, whereas people are just comfortable they're never really going to look outside, there's no, there's no reason to look outside their comfort zone, as you mentioned, like their little bubbles. So, I would look at that discomfort kind of concept as being the genesis for creativity and innovation, you know, for sure in society. So, you know, it's the force to move, you know, past where somebody might exist at any given time. And certainly, you know, as I said, I mean, you know, that's the credo that that Jason follows, you know, for sure. Brian Schoenborn 34:37 What was the thing you're telling me? So we went for a walk earlier today. Kind of, you know, meeting of the minds kind of shit. Ken Vennera 35:41 Two philosophy, two philosophers walking along. Brian Schoenborn 35:44 It was a little philosophical. Yes. Good. Walking meeting. But you were talking something about? There's like a loop like a cycle. Ken Vennera 35:53 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 35:53 About that good people are strong people. Ken Vennera 35:56 Yeah, so the saying goes that weak men make bad times. Bad times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. So yeah, that's pretty much the cycle. I didn't originate that, obviously. But clearly, it's pretty accurate. Brian Schoenborn 36:14 But that stood out to me because I'm like, it's you know, it's all about the hustle, right? It's about the struggle, the struggle is real, right? Like, um. Ken Vennera 36:20 For sure. Brian Schoenborn 36:21 For example, I was basically homeless for two years. And I was out surfing, fucking. I was living in a hostel for the last six months and just got into my own place. You know, fighting with the VA trying to get my disability benefits and all that shit. And it took me like they were just sitting on it, man, like it took me going into the VA triggering the shit out of myself. I was I was so triggered. I was like, convulsing in this place. Ken Vennera 36:45 Shame. Brian Schoenborn 36:46 If I wasn't struggling like that. You know what? I was doing all that while I'm building a company. Ken Vennera 36:51 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 36:51 You know, while I'm managing a restaurant, right? Shout out to Chipotle woot. You know, keeping myself extremely busy. Do you like sure working like 100 hours a week? Right? Ken Vennera 37:02 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 37:02 You know, but still taking myself into a place of extreme discomfort. Ken Vennera 37:08 Yep. Brian Schoenborn 37:09 Where I was extremely triggered and I had to go there numerous times over the first month or so, just to make sure that the paperwork was right. You know, I'm getting they understand my situation, right? Finally was able to get some some VA treatment, which I've been denied for for so long. Started getting that thing going. If it wasn't me taking that action when I was struggling, I would not have seen any sort of success. Ken Vennera 37:40 Mm hmm. Brian Schoenborn 37:40 Right? As a result of me going there and taking matters into my own hands. It sped the process along. Ken Vennera 37:46 Sure. Yeah. And Necessity is the mother of invention. You know, like they say, I mean, it's unfortunate but you know, that's what spurs on that creativity to want to get out of that situation, right. Like most people if they're in a good situation. Don't look for ways to get out of it. Brian Schoenborn 38:01 Right, exactly. I mean, I think about I think about the innovations, it'd be interesting to see a study and innovations between people coming from cold weather versus people coming from, like the tropics. Ken Vennera 38:13 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 38:13 You know, it's like a beach life, man. That's Ken Vennera 38:15 Right! Who wants to leave San Diego right? Brian Schoenborn 38:18 Got a coconut. You got a beach. Ken Vennera 38:19 exactly what do I need to go anywhere? It's for sure. Yeah, yeah, it was funny. You mentioned you go into China, you know, and speaking, you know, not knowing the language very well or things like that. I mean, being placed in completely foreign culture, you know, etc. You know, I often think it just reminds me of hearing you say a few those things that you know, one of the things I admire most about my grandfather, my dad's dad, was, you know, he left you know, Italy at 17 years old to come to this country. Did not Brian Schoenborn 38:53 That's a bold move, man. Ken Vennera 38:54 Totally a bold move without his family. But not didn't even have. I mean, if you have a certain level of education, even if you're still not educated in that language, you understand how it is sort of get around a little bit better, how to ask different questions, etc, that might help you in that situation. But, you know, he hardly had any education in Italy came here at 17 years old, you know, started a family, um, you know, within two generations, you know, here I am going to an Ivy League school, you know, and then law school, you know, even beyond that. So, I mean, it's real, a real testament again, to, you know, that pioneering spirit or, you know, putting yourself like you said, and, you know, or as Jason would even say, you know, in that situation of discomfort, you know, and then forcing yourself to excel, you know, to to get yourself out of it. Brian Schoenborn 39:42 Well, that's the dream right? Move to America. You know, work hard, work hard, and hopefully your children or your children's children can see, the fruits of the labor. Ken Vennera 39:52 As long as that as long as that element of sacrifice is there. Absolutely. Brian, I mean, I think in some ways, though, what's been lost on many a younger generation than you and I, is people want immediate gratification. Brian Schoenborn 40:05 Sure. Ken Vennera 40:06 And that's the thing that I think has changed the most. Brian Schoenborn 40:08 They don't want to work for it. Ken Vennera 40:10 Yeah, or they're there. It's not even so much, they don't necessarily want to work for it. They're not willing to sacrifice their own gratification for the benefit of future generations necessarily. So in other words, they're not willing to postpone their gratification in order to set the, you know, children that the, you know, the future generations up for that success. And I think that hurts because my grandfather's generation, in and of itself, you know, yeah, they would be considered successful maybe by the standards of where they came from, etc. But they wouldn't be considered necessarily successful in this country. I mean, they were blue collar factory type workers in this country. I mean, my, my grandfather worked in an asbestos plant, you know, which, who would take a job in an asbestos plant today, like you would never do that, right. So it wasn't like He, you know, in his own generation was successful. But you know, in a way, that mentality of sacrificing, you know, for the benefit of, you know, his children and then their children, you know, and so forth, creates that opportunity. And I think that's what's you know, gotten lost a little bit is, you know, it's, it's not that people don't necessarily want to work hard. I think if people understood that how things worked a little bit better, they probably would be more willing to do that. But I think what's gone is the putting off, you know, the self denial kind of aspect in favor of, you know, helping the future generations kind of thing a little bit so, Brian Schoenborn 41:38 Yeah, I kind of I kind of waffle on that one. I mean, no, cuz I mean, cuz I, in one sense, I agree with you. Right? I think that sounds fairly accurate. And the other side of that coin, it does sound a lot like, you know, millennial bashing. Ken Vennera 41:55 I didn't make any group. Brian Schoenborn 41:56 I know, but I'm a millennial. I'm an elder, millennial. Ken Vennera 42:01 but but actually that's in favor of, you know millennials and the generation because that's one of the things if you look at a lot of commentators, they'll say like, you know, the millennials or generation without hope of doing those things. Brian Schoenborn 42:13 And I think they're also saying they're spending all their savings on avocado toast. Ken Vennera 42:17 And that wasn't me. That wasn't me saying that. Brian Schoenborn 42:19 I know. Ken Vennera 42:20 I don't think that I think, you know, I think that a lot of people, if they're guided in the right direction, you know, will do the right thing. I mean, I think, I don't think anybody wants to be lazy or do bad things or anything like that, you know, by far. I think that was the appropriate kind of direction, though. And it's like anything else, I mean, you know, to sort of go back to where you're rising a little bit. Again, you know, you have people that are talented, sort of, you know, former military in a certain direction. He needs need the guidance in other directions to, you know, create that analogy to create that bridge sometimes, and you need people willing to do that and You know, kudos to, you know, people like Jason that are willing to, you know, sort of show that path to people. You know, I think that's what's really important. I think that's what's missing very often, you know, in today's society. Brian Schoenborn 43:12 Yeah, I hear that. So I hear that, you know, it can be hard to connect all the dots. Sure. Quick, quick question. How did like how did you guys, how did you two come into like Ken Vennera 43:23 Contact? Brian Schoenborn 43:23 How did you how did you come into being? Ken Vennera 43:25 so very funny, like I said, I was doing a lot of, you know, veteran related activities and things like that. I was doing a lot of sort of freelancing on the internet in terms or on LinkedIn, specifically, helping guys find jobs, because when I went into, you know, more of an advisory board role with Operation Homefront, I was really looking for an organization that would help former military find, you know, jobs. To be, you know, again, sustainable you in that way. I couldn't really find at the time a group that I thought was Being very effective in that regard. I mean, there were lots of groups that were trying to educate, you know, employers about how to hire military and all kinds of things, you know, around surrounding sort of that but, but never anyone that was really sort of directly doing that. So, I was trying to help people as I could with, you know, mock interviewing or looking at the resumes and all these kinds of things, and, you know, made friends with a lot of people along the way. In particular, one guy, former Navy guy, you know, he said to me one day, he's like, you know, you should really get in touch with this guy, Jason van Camp. And see what Warrior Rising is all about, you know, that they're helping guys, you know, start businesses and I thought about it for quite a bit and said, you know, that's probably even better than trying to find people jobs because you start a business I mean, you can possibly employ a Brian Schoenborn 43:27 It's multitudes of jobs. Ken Vennera 43:42 Right, exactly. It's a force multiplier, you know, kind of thing in a way and I'm like, you know what, like, maybe I haven't been I've been narrowing my focus too much. In that, you know, going into this arena of helping, you know, military start start businesses is actually probably even a better thing and, you know, got involved with Warrior Rising got involved with Jason and you know, I'll tell you like I said, you know, Jason's charisma man like his drive towards you know what he's doing i mean you know again you look at like traits of leadership man you know if people inspire that's one of the key traits of being a good leader and Jason definitely inspires me. Clearly inspired me to, you know, want to put my efforts towards doing what you know what Warrior Rising's doing and making it into a success. So yeah, that's that's pretty much how it came about. Well, so two years now almost just about a couple months short, but pretty close. Brian Schoenborn 45:46 Nice. Ken Vennera 45:46 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 45:47 Um. Sorry. I kind of bounced around a little bit but a Ken Vennera 45:50 Bounce all you want. Brian Schoenborn 45:51 Yeah. I just you know, as you're speaking things are things trigger, right. Ken Vennera 45:56 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 45:57 Because I connect dots as well, right? Ken Vennera 45:59 Yes. Brian Schoenborn 45:59 Reminds me of, you're talking about helping people connect the dots, helping helping entrepreneurs get going that kind of stuff. Veteran entrepreneurs reminds me, the weird thing is like, when you're in the military, everything's laid out for you. Right? You're part of this machine. And you do, as you're told, and you know, but you know, by the time you get through boot camp, or basic training, or maybe your school afterwards, you pretty much know how to conduct yourself and what is expected basically every day. Ken Vennera 46:29 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 46:30 Right. So you're in this Ken Vennera 46:33 Mode? Brian Schoenborn 46:34 Sure. That's what's the word I was thinking. Whenever you're in this, you're in this fucking mode, where every single day you know exactly what you have to do. Ken Vennera 46:42 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 46:43 On the entrepreneurial side, every day, it's a blank slate, right? It's a clean slate. Like you you got to figure out everything that you're doing. You know, you write the script, basically, right. It reminds me when I went to grad school, when I went to business xchool the first day of orientation. One of our think she was a career services. Barbara Hyle, shout out to Barb. She wrote two words on the board on this white board said embrace ambiguity. Ken Vennera 47:15 Flexibility, name of the game for sure. Brian Schoenborn 47:17 That's something that's kind of stuck with me. That's kind of what what it made me think of there when you're like, Oh, you know, helping people connect the dots and the circles and stuff because you're, you know, again, when you're when you're going from something where everything is regimented, like that's, that's the whole reason that term is there, right? It's regimented routine, basically every single day to what the hell am I doing? I'm creating something out of nothing. Right. That can be a big change, man. And people Ken Vennera 47:42 Well, so I think, you know, again, and forgive me for characterizing, you know, never served in military myself, but I think a lot of what you're talking about in the military is not necessarily that overall, everything is regimented. Right, what's regimented? His training right and whenever you're in a and execution to a certain extent, like certain operations, right? But that's because like in life, you can only control the things you can control. Brian Schoenborn 48:12 Right. Ken Vennera 48:14 I think the thing again piecing together from a military perspective that people they understand when they're in that that situation but then don't understand it necessarily once they get out because they're not within that framework is that that basis right that foundation for that kind of regimented training, etc. And that following orders in a certain way following you know, standard operating procedures, etc, is because eventually in many situations, especially in combat, you end up not seeing, you know, the the regimentation, right. In other words, you end up seeing the things that go off the reservation, right, like, Brian Schoenborn 48:54 You're living life in the margins, on the battlefield. Ken Vennera 48:56 So you know it What's that expression that you know, no place survives first contact with the enemy, you know kind of thing right? Brian Schoenborn 49:02 Like Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan to get punched in the face, right, like so. Ken Vennera 49:09 So, you know, but that's the whole idea is that it's, it's, you know, one of the beautiful things about military training is saying, like, Look, we're going to create this foundation from you. So that when you're placed into these situations where you're not sure, again, going back to the whole, deliberate discomfort, you know, concept, you know, Jason, you know, it's training yourself to constantly react in a certain way so that when you're faced with that ambiguity, when you're faced with that uncertainty, when you're faced with, you know, the enemy in your face, it's, you know, 50 meters, you know, kind of thing, you're now able to deal with that because of all of that muscle memory, regimentation, etc. Like, you know, calming yourself down thinking in a certain direction. You know, is is extremely valuable, you know, it's extremely valuable when you're facing You know, uncertainty and things like that. I tell people very often, you know, if I asked you, for example, to navigate from your bedroom door of your house to your front door, you're gonna be like, not a problem, right? Piece of cake. But, right, but but all of a sudden, if you're blindfolded and it's dark, right, you know, you're gonna start employing tactics that you know about your training, right, you're gonna put your arm out and reach certain distance and feel around to get your bearings for what your environment holds. Again, all of these things from training, etc. to understand, like, I need to know what my environment is, I need to know what the weather is, I need to know assess the situation. All those things for training come in handy now, because what you're doing is reducing the number of variables down to the minimum number so that you have the best chance, you know, an opportunity of success. Ken Vennera 50:49 You know, the other analogy I use a lot when like mentoring is that it's a lot like putting together a jigsaw puzzle. You know, when you first start out with a jigsaw puzzle, you know, you dump the box. Have 1000 pieces and they're all over the place summer the backside, you know, that's all brown without the picture and summer, the you know, the the picture side, you have edge pieces, etc, you know. So the first thing you do is turn all the pieces over. So you can see that, you know, they're all facing the same way. Why again, reduce those numbers of variables of unknowns and things like that you have to, you know, smaller number, then what do you do you put all the edge pieces together first, why? Because there's a clue with the edge pieces that all the other pieces don't have and that is they have an edge. Right? Brian Schoenborn 51:33 Right. Ken Vennera 51:34 So you you again, you put them all together and now you've reduced the variables down, you know, to a smaller number, then you start to put like pieces with like pieces, right? Again, utilizing as much information as you possibly have to reduce those numbers of variables and so forth. And little by little man, you put those things together and you end up with a complete, you know, picture from that. Brian Schoenborn 51:55 Hell yeah. Ken Vennera 51:56 And that's what it's a lot like i think you know, so yes, there is that aspect of regimentation in the training and always go into battle. So you develop that muscle memory, but it's the application of that in those situations like in combat or otherwise, where you're facing unknowns, and very much so like when you're in business, you know, of course, the consequences aren't quite as dire as being in combat, but you know, you're facing pretty, you know, dire consequences if your business is going to fail and things like that. And you have to support your family well, and and your employees if you haven't, right, and your employees lives, etc. So, you know, there's a lot of situations like that, I mean, look, look at all of the things that come up in business where, you know, all of a sudden, there, you know, a regulation is passed, for example, that you didn't have to do X, but now you have to do it, and that's gonna cost you three times as much, and possibly, you know, you don't have a margin left anymore, you know? Or look at what's going on with this. Sorry, like the coronavirus. And I know he didn't want to talk about that. I'm so sorry. Brian Schoenborn 53:01 That's all everyone's talking about. It's all right though. Ken Vennera 53:03 But but it's such a good example. And because if you think about it, you know, what, who was who was planning for this in their business three months ago? Brian Schoenborn 53:11 Oh, nobody. Ken Vennera 53:12 Right, who was creating that reserve to carry them over this, you know, situation three months ago? And and that's this, you know, that's the kind of stuff it's like, what do you do when something hits you that you really didn't expect? Well, now you revert back to your training, your muscle memory, your things that like, you know, work in these kinds of situations to help guide Brian Schoenborn 53:32 Sanitize your hands. Ken Vennera 53:33 Right, wash your hands. Brian Schoenborn 53:34 Not traveling on an airplane, Brian? Ken Vennera 53:36 Right. So, I mean, but it's all of those things, then help the situation reduce the number of variables make it more manageable, I mean, nobody has a crystal ball, right? Nobody has a crystal ball ever, you know, kind of thing. So what do you do man, you reduce the number of things, the unknowns down to a manageable level, you know, and you do that, you know, by utilizing that training and so forth. So, so I agree with you I mean there's a lot of regimentation etc to the military but it's there for a reason. Brian Schoenborn 54:05 Yeah it's for a purpose for sure. Ken Vennera 54:06 Exactly and and the same reason that it is there you know in the military is the same reason it's effective and useful even in the business world or in life in general, you know, in terms of developing ways to cope with situations and the unknowns and so forth so. Brian Schoenborn 54:23 Huh. Habits. We are habitual animals. Ken Vennera 54:27 Good habits well good habits developing good habits you know for sure and that's again training right in the military develop good habits right you know and do things the right way all the time you know what I mean? Brian Schoenborn 54:36 Getting up at 06, creasee cammies, spit-shine shoes, you're cleaning a rifle every second you get. Ken Vennera 54:44 Sure. Responsibility, dedication and all those factors that again, will get you through tough situations. You know? Brian Schoenborn 54:50 Focus. Ken Vennera 54:51 Focus exactly. Brian Schoenborn 54:52 Laser like focus. Ken Vennera 54:53 Yep. Brian Schoenborn 54:54 Yep, do it for sure. It's been a pretty good chat so far. Ken Vennera 54:58 Think so I listen. I enjoy talking man, I can talk to you probably for another three hours if you wanted to, but Brian Schoenborn 55:02 We could, we could filibuster this shit. Ken Vennera 55:07 And it's been good man I really love you know, being on the show for sure, man, I love I love the thoughts, you know, that we're talking about, you know, because I think it'll help a lot of people, you know, it helps a lot of people to hear, even if they already know it, it helps to hear sometimes. Brian Schoenborn 55:20 I think, you know, I think one of the important things is, this is a this is a podcast, so it's not visibility, but you know, what I mean, like accessibility, maybe like when people have an opportunity to hear or see things that, you know, they might not know, they might not know otherwise, or to see it again, maybe something they haven't thought about in a while. Ken Vennera 55:40 Reinforcement. Sure. Brian Schoenborn 55:40 Reinforcement. Ken Vennera 55:41 Yeah. Brian Schoenborn 55:42 You know, I could help a lot of people and that's to be honest like that's why that's why I get people on that have interesting stories and are doing are doing some really cool things sure of yourself. But that's also why I'm so like, open and vocal about like, you know, my like my PTSD experience and stuff like that, know? Because the more you can talk about things, the more people can understand. Ken Vennera 56:05 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 56:06 And the more people can understand things, the more people can be helped. Ken Vennera 56:10 Absolutely. Brian Schoenborn 56:10 You know, because whether whether you have like a like a thing like a mental illness like PTSD, or whether you're running a business, right? A lot of times you can feel like you're on your own. Ken Vennera 56:21 Sure. Brian Schoenborn 56:22 Being an entrepreneur, it can be lonely man. Ken Vennera 56:23 It can be, for sure. Brian Schoenborn 56:25 You hear other people's voices and hear that there's support out there. And there's resources, Ken Vennera 56:31 Absolutely. Brian Schoenborn 56:31 you feel a little bit less, less lonely. Ken Vennera 56:34 You know, I'll tell you to Bri just to, you know

Ken Vennera is a man of many hats. Wharton educated, corporate lawyer, and mentor, he is also involved with Warrior Rising as Chief of Staff — a veteran nonprofit that helps veteran entrepreneurs get off the ground and positioned for success.

Welcome to Episode #18 of the Spotlight Podcast: Success Stories for Veterans, where it is our job to breakdown and analyze Titans in the military and civilian communities to discover their tactics, mindset, and systems so that you can apply them to your life and your transition. Those Titans range from NYT best-selling authors to former heads of state to other divergent thinkers who dominate their field by challenging conventional wisdom.   Today we are interviewing: Jason Van Camp.   Jason went on to found Mission 6 Zero, which helps clients like the Baltimore Ravens, Porsche, and Adobe. Jason went on to found Mission 6 Zero, which helps clients like the Baltimore Ravens, Porsche, and Adobe. Jason recently wrote the book "Deliberate Discomfort," which was an Amazon #1 Release.   So how does Jason do it? Listen and find out.

Jason Van Camp joined The Protectors to talk leadership, decision making, and writing his book, Deliberate Discomfort.  Jason is a former Green Beret and well-traveled.   Check out our interview…About Jason B.A. Van Camp. A decorated Green Beret, world traveler, entrepreneur, author, and loyal friend, Jason has mastered the art of storytelling that reflects many of his own life adventures. Jason was born in Washington D.C. and raised across the Potomac River in Springfield, Virginia. In 1995, he was accepted to the United States Military Academy at West Point. While at West Point, Jason played linebacker for the Army Black Knights football team, served a two-year LDS-Mormon mission to Russia. After graduating from West Point, Jason volunteered to attend U.S. Army Ranger School in Fort Benning, GA where he earned his Ranger tab (2002). In 2006, Jason won the coveted Green Beret and began serving as a Detachment Commander with 10th Special Forces Group in Fort Carson, Colorado. During his U.S. Army career, Jason earned several awards, including the Bronze Star with V device for Valor, as well as two additional Bronze Stars during numerous combat rotations as a Special Forces Detachment Commander in the Middle East and Africa. In 2013, Jason earned his MBA from Brigham Young University and it was there that he developed a passion for entrepreneurship.SHOUT OUT TO XBOX MATCHING DONATIONS TO O.S.D! Warrior Rising:  https://www.warriorrising.org/board-of-directors/jason-van-camp/ Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/theprotectors)

Growth and comfort do not live in the same town. Getting comfortable with the uncomfortable is when we begin to grow and help those around us grow as well. By the way the book Deliberate Discomfort by Jason Van Camp is coming out in a few weeks - make sure you grab your copy. It will continue your growth path as well as your discomfort to get there. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/yourmorningcommute/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yourmorningcommute/support