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The Overtired trio reunites for the first time in ages, diving into a whirlwind of health updates, hilarious anecdotes, and the latest tech obsessions. Christina shares a dramatic spinal saga while Brett and Jeff discuss everything from winning reddit contests to creating a universal markdown processor. Tune in for updates on Mark 3, the magical world of Scrivener, and why Brett’s back on Bing. Don’t miss the banter or the tech tips, and as always, get ready to laugh, learn, and maybe feel a little overtired yourself. Sponsor Shopify is the commerce platform behind 10% of all eCommerce in the US, from household names like Mattel and Gymshark, to brands just getting started. Get started today at shopify.com/overtired. Chapters 00:00 Welcome to the Overtired Podcast 01:09 Christina’s Health Journey 10:53 Brett’s Insurance Woes 15:38 Jeff’s Mental Health Update 24:07 Sponsor Spot: Shopify 24:18 Sponsor: Shopify 26:23 Jeff Tweedy 27:43 Jeff’s Concert Marathon 32:16 Christina Wins Big 36:58 Monitor Setup Challenges 37:13 Ergotron Mounts and Tall Poles 38:33 Review Plans and Honest Assessments 38:59 Current Display Setup 41:30 Thunderbolt KVM and Display Preferences 42:51 MacBook Pro and Studio Comparisons 50:58 Markdown Processor: Apex 01:07:58 Scrivener and Writing Tools 01:11:55 Helium Browser and Privacy Features 01:13:56 Bing Delisting Incident Show Links Danny Brown's 10 in the New York Times (gift link) Indigo Stack Scrivener Helium Bangs Apex Apex Syntax Join the Marked 3 Beta LG 32 Inch UltraFine™evo 6K Nano IPS Black Monitor with Thunderbolt™ 5 Join the Conversation Merch Come chat on Discord! Twitter/ovrtrd Instagram/ovrtrd Youtube Get the Newsletter Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff, Christina as @film_girl, Jeff as @jsguntzel, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett + 2 Welcome to the Overtired Podcast Jeff: [00:00:00] Hello everybody. This is the Overtired podcast. The three of us are all together for the first time since the Carter administration. Um, it is great to see you both here. I am Jeff Severance Gunzel if I didn’t say that already. Um, and I’m here with Christina Warren and I’m here with Brett Terpstra and hello to both of you. Brett: Hi. Jeff: Great to see you both. Brett: Yeah, it’s good to see you too. I feel like I was really deadpan in the pre-show. I’ll try to liven it up for you. I was a horrible audience. You were cracking jokes and I was just Jeff: that’s true. Christina, before you came on, man, I was hot. I was on fire and Brett was, all Brett was doing was chewing and dropping Popsicle parts. Brett: Yep. I ate, I ate part of a coconut outshine Popsicle off of a concrete floor, but Jeff: It is true, and I didn’t even see him check it [00:01:00] for cat hair, Brett: I did though. Jeff: but I believe he did because he’s a, he’s a very Brett: I just vacuumed in Jeff: He’s a very good American Brett: All right. Christina’s Health Journey Brett: Well, um, I, Christina has a lot of health stuff to share and I wanna save time for that. So let’s kick off the mental health corner. Um, let’s let Christina go first, because if it takes the whole show, it takes the whole show. Go for it. Christina: Uh, I, I will not take this hold show, but thank you. Yeah. So, um, my mental health is okay-ish. Um, I would say the okay-ish part is, is because of things that are happening with my physical health and then some of the medications that I’ve had to be on, um, uh, to deal with it. Uh, prednisone. Fucking sucks, man. Never nev n never take it if you can avoid it. Um, but why Christina, why are you on prednisone or why were you on prednisone for five days? Um, uh, and I’m not anymore to be clear, but that certainly did not help my mental health. Um, at the beginning of November, I woke up and I thought that I’d [00:02:00] slept on my shoulder wrong. And, um, uh, and, and just some, some background. I, I don’t know if this is pertinent to how my injury took place or not, but, but it, I’m sure that it didn’t help. Um, I have scoliosis and in the top and the bottom of my spine, so I have it at the top of my, like, neck area and my lower back. And so my back is like a crooked s um, this will be relevant in a, in a second, but, but I, I thought that I had slept on my back bunny, and I was like, okay, well, all right, it hurts a lot, but fine. Um, and then it, a, a couple of days passed and it didn’t get any better, and then like a week passed and I was at the point where I was like, I almost feel like I need to go to the. Emergency room, I’m in pain. That is that significant. Um, and, you know, didn’t get any better. So I took some of grant’s, Gabapentin, and I took, um, some, some, uh, a few other things and I was able to get in with like a, a, a sports and spine guy. Um, and um, [00:03:00] he looked at me and he was like, yeah, I think that you have like a, a, a bolting disc, also known as a herniated disc. Go to physical therapy. See me later. We’ll, we’ll deal with it. Um. Basically like my whole left side was, was, was really sore and, and I had a lot of pain and then I had numbness in my, my fingers and um, and, and that was a problem the next day, which was actually my birthday. The numbness had at this point spread to my right side and also my lower extremities. And so at this point I called the doctor and he was like, yeah, you should go to the er. And so I went to the ER and, and they weren’t able to do anything for me other than give me, you know, like, um, you know, I was hoping they might give me like, some sort of steroid injection or something. They wouldn’t do anything other than, um, basically, um, they gave me like another type of maybe, maybe pain pill or whatever. Um, but that allowed the doctor to go ahead and. Write, uh, write up an MRI took forever for me to get an MRI, I actually had to get it in Atlanta. [00:04:00] Fun fact, uh, sometimes it is cheaper to just pay and not go through insurance and get an MR MRI and, um, a, um, uh, an x-ray, um, I was able to do it for $450 Jeff: Whoa. Really? Christina: Yeah, $400 for the MR mri. $50 for the x-ray. Jeff: Wow. Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Brett: how I, they, I had an MRI, they charged me like $1,200 and then they failed to bill insurance ’cause I was between insurance. Christina: Yes. Yeah. So what happened was, and and honestly that was gonna be the situation that I was in, not between insurance stuff, but they weren’t even gonna bill insurance. And insurance only approved certain facilities and to get into those facilities is almost impossible. Um, and so, no, there are a lot of like get an MR, I now get a, you know, mammogram, get ghetto, whatever places. And because America’s healthcare system is a HealthScape, you can bypass insurance and they will charge you way less than whatever they bill insurance for. So I, I don’t know if it’s part of the country, you know, like Seattle I think might [00:05:00] probably would’ve been more expensive. But yeah, I was able to find this place like a mile from like, not even a mile from where my parents lived, um, that did the x-rays and the MRI for $450 total. Brett: I, I hate, I hate that. That’s true, but Christina: Me too. Me too. No, no. It pisses me off. Honestly, it makes me angry because like, I’m glad that I was able to do that and get it, you know, uh, uh, expedited. Then I go into the spine, um, guy earlier this week and he looks at it and he’s like, yep, you’ve got a massive bulging disc on, on C seven, which is the, the part of your lower cervical or cervical spine, which is your neck. Um, and it’s where it connects to your ver bray. It’s like, you know, there are a few things you can do. You can do, you know, injections, you can do surgery. He is like, I’m gonna recommend you to a neurosurgeon. And I go to the neurosurgeon yesterday and he was showing me or not, uh, yeah, yesterday he was showing me the, the, the, the scans and, and showing like you up close and it’s, yeah, it’s pretty massive. Like where, where, where the disc is like it is. You could see it just from one view, like, just from like [00:06:00] looking at it like, kind of like outside, like you could actually like see like it was visible, but then when you zoomed in it’s like, oh shit, this, this thing is like massive and it’s pressing on these nerves that then go into my, my hands and other areas. But it’s pressing on both sides. It’s primarily on my left side, but it’s pressing on on my right side too, which is not good. So, um, he basically was like, okay. He was like, you know, this could go away. He was like, the pain isn’t really what I’m wanting to, to treat here. It’s, it’s the, the weakness because my, my left arm is incredibly weak. Like when they do like the, the test where like they, they push back on you to see like, okay, like how, how much can you, what, like, I am, I’m almost immediately like, I can’t hold anything back. Right? Like I’m, I’m, I’m like a toddler in terms of my strength. So, and, and then I’m freaked out because I don’t have a lot of feeling in my hands and, and that’s terrifying. Um, I’m also. Jeff: so terrifying, Christina: I’m, I’m also like in extreme pain because of, of, of where this sits. Like I can’t sleep well. Like [00:07:00] the whole thing sucks. Like the MRI, which was was like the most painful, like 25 minutes, like of my existence. ’cause I was laying flat on my back. I’m not allowed to move and I’m just like, I’m in just incredible pain with that part of, of, of, of my, my side. Like, it, it was. It was terrible. Um, but, uh, but he was like, yeah. Um, these are the sorts of surgical options we have. Um, he’s gonna, um, do basically what what he wants to do is basically do a thing where he would put in a, um, an artificial or, or synthetic disc. So they’re gonna remove the disc, put in a synthetic one. They’ll go in through the, the front of my throat to access the, my, my, my, my spine. Um, put that there and, um, you know, I’ll, I’ll be overnight in the hospital. Um, and then it’ll be a few weeks of recovery and the, the, the pain should go away immediately. Um, but it, it could be up to two years before I get full, you know, feeling back in my arm. So anyway, Jeff: years, Jesus. And Christina: I mean, and hopefully less than that, but, but it could be [00:08:00] up to that. Jeff: there’s no part of this at this point. That’s a mystery to you, right? Christina: The mystery is, I don’t know how this happened. Jeff: You don’t know how it happened, right? Of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Brett: So tell, tell us about the ghastly surgery. The, the throat thing really threw me like, I can’t imagine that Christina: yeah, yeah. So, well, ’cause the thing is, is that usually if what they just do, like spinal fusion, they’ll go in at the back of your neck, um, and then they’ll remove the, the, um, the, the, the, the disc. And then they’ll fuse your, your, your two bones together. Basically. They’ll, they’ll, they’ll, they’ll fuse this part of the vertebrae, but because they’re going to be replacing the, the disc, they need more room. So that’s why they have to go in through the, through, through basically your throat so that they can have more room to work. Jeff: Good lord. No thank you. Brett: Ugh. Wow. Jeff: Okay. Brett: I am really sorry that is happening. That is, that is, that dwarfs my health concerns. That is just constant pain [00:09:00] and, and it would be really scary. Christina: Yeah. Yeah. It’s not great. It’s not great, but I’m, I’m, I’m doing what I can and, uh, like I have, you know, a small amount of, of Oxycodine and I have like a, a, a, you know, some other pain medication and I’m taking the gabapentin and like, that’s helpful. The bad part is like your body, like every 12, 15 hours, like whatever, like the, the, the cycle is like, you feel it leave your system and like if you’re asleep, you wake up, right? Like, it’s one of those things, like, you immediately feel it, like when it leaves your system. And I’ve never had to do anything for pain management before. And they have me on a very, they have me like on the smallest amount of like, oxycodone you can be on. Um, and I’m using it sparingly because I don’t wanna, you know, be reliant on, on it or whatever. But it, it, but it is one of those things where I’m like, yeah, like sometimes you need fucking opiates because, you know, the pain is like so constant. And the thing is like, what sucks is that it’s not always the same type of pain. Like sometimes it’s throbbing, sometimes it’s sharp, sometimes it’s like whatever. It sucks. But the hardest thing [00:10:00] is like, and. This does impact my mental health. Like it’s hard to sleep. Like, and I’m a side sleeper. I’m a side sleeper, and I’m gonna have to become a back sleeper. So, you know. Yeah. It’s just, it’s, it’s not great. It’s not great, but, you know, that, that, that, that, that’s me. The, the good news is, and I’m very, very gratified, like I have a good surgeon. Um, I’m gonna be able to get in to get this done relatively quickly. He had an appointment for next week. I don’t think that insurance would’ve even been able to approve things fast enough for, for, for that regard. And I have, um, commitments that I can’t make then. And I, and that would also mean that I wouldn’t be able to go visit my family for Christmas. So hopefully I’ll do it right after Christmas. I’m just gonna wait, you know, for, for insurance to, to do its thing, knock on wood, and then schedule, um, from there. But yeah, Jeff: Woof. Christina: so that’s me. Um, uh, who wants to go next? Jeff or, uh, Jeff or Brett? Jeff: It’s like, that’s me. Hot potato throwing it. Brett: I’ll, I’ll go. Brett’s Insurance Woes Brett: I can continue on the insurance topic. Um, I was, for a few months [00:11:00] after getting laid off, I was on Minsu, which is Minnesota’s Medicaid, um, v version of Medicaid. And so basically I paid nothing and I had better insurance than I usually have with, uh, you know, a full deductible and premiums and everything. And it was fantastic. I was getting all the care I needed for all of the health stuff I’m going through. Um, I, they, a, a new doctor I found, ordered the 15 tests and I passed out ’cause it was so much blood and. And it, I was getting, but I was getting all these tests run. I was getting results, we were discovering things. And then my unemployment checks, the income from unemployment went like $300 over the cap for Medicaid. So [00:12:00] all of a sudden, overnight I was cut from Medicaid and I had to do an early sign up, and now I’m on courts and it sucks bad. Like they’re not covering my meds. Last month cost me $600. I was also paying. In addition to that, a $300 premium plus every doctor’s visit is 50 bucks out of pocket. So this will hopefully only last until January, and then it’ll flip over and I will be able to demonstrate basically no income, um, until like Mark makes enough money that it gets reported. Um, and even, uh, until then, like I literally am making under the, the poverty limit. So, um, I hope to be back on Medicaid shortly. I have one more month. I’ll have to pay my $600 to refill. I [00:13:00] cashed out my 401k. Um, like things were, everything was up high enough that I had made, I. I had made tens of thousands of dollars just on the investments and the 401k, but I also have a lot of concerns about the market volatility around Nvidia and the AI bubble in general. Um, so taking my money out of the market just felt okay to me. I paid the 10%, uh, penalty Jeff: Mm-hmm. Brett: and ultimately I, I came out with enough cash that I can invest on my own and be able to cover the next six months. Uh, if I don’t have any other income, which I hope to, I hope to not spend my nest egg. Um, but I did, I did a lot of thinking and calculating and I think I made the right choices. But anyway, [00:14:00] that will help if I have to pay for medical stuff that will help. Um. And then I’ve had insomnia, bad on and off. Right now I’m coming off of two days of good sleep. You’re catching me on a good day. Um, but Jeff: Still wouldn’t laugh at my jokes. Brett: before that it was, well, that’s the thing is like before that, it was four nights where I slept two to four hours per night, and by the end of it, I could barely walk. And so two nights of sleep after a stint like that, like, I’m just super, I’m deadpan, I’m dazed. Um, I could lay down and fall asleep at any time. Um, I, so, so keep me awake. Um, but yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s me. Mental health is good. Like I’m in pretty high spirits considering all this, like financial stuff and everything. Like my mood has been pretty stable. I’ve been getting a lot of coding done. I’ll tell you about projects in [00:15:00] a minute, but, um, but that’s, that’s me. I’m done. Jeff: Awesome. I’m enjoying watching your cat roll around, but clearly cannot decide to lay down at this point. Brett: No, nobody is very persnickety. Jeff: I literally have to put my. Well, you say put a cat down like you used to. When you put a kid down for a nap, you say you wanna put ’em down. Right? That’s where it’s coming from. I now have a chair next to my desk, ’cause I have one cat that walks around Yowling at about 11:00 AM while I’m working. And I have to like, put ’em down for a nap. It’s pathetic. It’s pathetic that I do that. Let’s just be clear. Brett: Yeah. Jeff: soulmate though. Jeff’s Mental Health Update Jeff: Um, I’m doing good. I’m, I’m, I’ve been feeling kind of light lately in a nice way. I’ve had ups and downs, but even with the ups and downs, there’s like a, except for one day last week was, there’s just been feeling kind of good in general, which is remarkable in a way. ’cause it’s just like stressful time. There’s some stressful business stuff, like, [00:16:00] a lot of stuff like that. But I’m feeling good and, and just like, uh, yeah, just light. I don’t know, it’s weird. Like, I’ve just been noticing that I feel kind of light and, uh. And not, not manic, not high light. Brett: Yeah. No, that’s Jeff: uh, and that’s, that’s lovely. So yeah. And so I’m doing good. I’m doing good. I fucking, it’s cold. Which sucks ’cause it just means for everybody that’s heard about my workshop over the years, that I can’t really go out there and have it be pleasant Brett: It’s, it’s been Minnesota thus far. Has had, we’ve had like one, one Sub-Zero day. Jeff: whatever. It’s fucking cold. Christina: Yeah. What one? Brett? Brett. It’s December 6th as we’re recording this one Sub-Zero day. That’s insane. Brett: Is it Jeff: Granted, granted I’ve been dressing warm, so I’m ready to go out the door for ice related things. Meaning, meaning government, ice, Brett: Uh, yeah. Yeah. Jeff: So I like wear my long underwear during [00:17:00] the day. ’cause actually like recently. So at my son’s school, which is like six blocks from here, um, has a lot of Somali immigrants in it. And, and uh, and there was a, at one point there was ice activity in the other direction, um, uh, uh, near me. And so neighbors put out a call here around so that at dismissal time people would pair up at all the intersections surrounding the school. And, um, and like a quick signal group popped up, whatever. It was so amazing because like we all just popped out there. And by the time I got out, uh, everyone was already like, posted up and I was like, I’m a, in these situations, I am a wanderer. You want me roaming? I don’t want to pair up with somebody I don’t like, I just, I grabbed a camera with a Zoom on it and like, I was like, I’m in roam. Um, it’s what I was as an activist, what I was as a reporter, like it’s just my nature. Um, but like. Everybody was out and like, and they were just like, they were ready man. And then we got like the all clear and you could just see people in the [00:18:00] neighborhood just like standing down and going home. But because of the true threat and the ongoing arrests here, now that the Minneapolis stuff has started, like I do, I was like wearing long underwear just, and I have a little bag by the door ready to like pop out if something comes up and I can be helpful. Um, and uh, and I guess what I’m saying is I should use that to go into the garage as well if I’m already prepared. Brett: Right. Jeff: But here’s, okay, so here’s a mental health thing actually. So I, one of the, I’ve gone through a few years of just sort of a little bit of paralysis around being able to just, I don’t know what, like do anything that is kind of project related that takes some thinking, whatever it is, like I’m talking about around the house or things that have kind of broken over the years, whatever. So I’ve had this snowblower and it’s a really good snowblower. It’s got headlights. And, uh, and I used to love snow blowing the entire block. Like it just made me feel good, made me feel useful. Um, and sorry I cough. I left it outside for a [00:19:00] year for a, like a winter and a spring and water got into the gas tank. It rusted out in there. I knew I couldn’t start it or I’d ruin the whole damn engine. So I left it for two years and I felt bad about myself. But this year, just like probably a month before the first big snowfall, I fucking replaced a gas tank and a carburetor on a machine. And I have never done anything like that in my life. And so then we got the snowfall and I, and I snow blowed this whole block Brett: Nice. Jeff: great. ’cause now they all owe me. Brett: I, uh, I have a, uh, so I have a little electric powered, uh, snowblower that can handle like two inches of snow. Um, and, and on big snowfalls, if you get out there every hour and keep up with it, it, it works. But, but I, my back right now, I can’t stand for, I can’t stand still for 10 minutes and I can’t move for more than like five minutes. And so I’m, I’m very disabled and El has good days and bad days, uh, thus [00:20:00] far. L’s been out there with a shovel, um, really being the hero. But we have a next door neighbor with a big gas powered snowblower. And so we went over, brought them gifts, and, um, asked if they would take care of our driveway on days we couldn’t, uh, for like, you know, we’d pay ’em 25 bucks to do the driveway. And, uh, and they were, he was still reluctant to accept money. Um. But, but we both agreed it was better to like make it a, a transaction. Jeff: Oh my God. You don’t want to get into weird Minnesota neighbor relational. Brett: right. You don’t want the you owe me thing. Um, so, so we have that set up. But in the process we made really good friends with our neighbor. Like we sat down in their living room for I think 45 minutes and just like talked about health and politics and it was, it was really fun. They’re, they’re retired. They’re in their [00:21:00] seventies and like act, he always looks super grumpy. I always thought he was a mean old man. He’s actually, he laughs more easily than most people I’ve ever met. Um, he’s actually, when people say, oh, he is actually a teddy bear, this guy really is, he’s just jovial. Uh, he just has resting angry old man face. Jeff: Or like my, I have public mis throat face, like when I’m out and about, especially when I’m shopping, I know that my face is, I’m gonna fucking kill you if you look me in the eye Brett: I used Jeff: is not my general disposition. Brett: people used to tell me that about myself, but I feel like I, I carry myself differently these days than I did when I was younger. Jeff: You know what I learned? Do you, have you both watched Veep, Christina: Yes, Jeff: you know, Richard sp split, right? Um, and, and he always kind of has this sweet like half smile and he is kind of looking up and I, I figured out at one point I was in an airport, which is where my kill everybody face especially comes up. Just to be clear. TSA, it’s just a feeling inside. I [00:22:00] have no desire to act to this out. I realized that if I make the Richard Plet face, which I can try to make for you now, which is something like if I just make the Richard Plet face, my whole disposition Brett: yeah. Yeah. Jeff: uh, and I even feel a little better. And so I just wanna recommend that to people. Look up Richard Spt, look at his face. Christina: Hey, future President Bridges split. Jeff: future President Richard Splat, also excellent in the Detroiters. Um, that’s all, uh, that’s all I wanted to say about that. Brett: I have found that like when I’m texting with someone, if I start to get frustrated, you know, you know that point where you’re still adding smiley emoticons even though you’re actually not, you’re actually getting pissed off, but you don’t wanna sound super bitchy about it, so you’re adding smile. I have found that when I add a smiley emoji in those circumstances, if I actually smile before I send it, it like my [00:23:00] mood will adjust to match, to match the tone I’m trying to convey, and it lessens my frustration with the other person. Jeff: a little joy wrist rocket. Christina: Yeah. Hey, I mean, no, but hey, but, but that, that, that, that, that’s interesting. I mean, they’re, they, they’ve done studies that like show that, right? That like show like, you know, I mean, like, some of this is all like bullshit to a certain extent, but there is something to be said for like, you know, like the power of like positive thinking and like, you know, if you go into things with like, different types of attitudes or even like, even if you like, go into job interviews or other situations, like you act confident or you smile, or you act happy or whatever. Even if you’re not like it, the, the, the, the euphoria, you know, that those sorts of uh, um, endorphin reactions or whatever can be real. So that’s interesting. Brett: Yeah, I found, I found going into job interviews with my usual sarcastic and bitter, um, kind of mindset, Jeff: I already hate this job. Brett: it doesn’t play well. It doesn’t play well. So what are your weaknesses? Fuck off. Um,[00:24:00] Christina: right. Well, well, well, I hate people. Jeff: Yeah. Dealing with motherfuckers like you, that’s one weakness. 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That was Jeff: Yeah. Cha-ching Brett: they got the chorus, they got the Overtired Christina: You did. You got the Overtired Jeff: They didn’t think to ask for it, but that’s our brand. Christina: shopify.com/ Overtired. Jeff Tweedy Jeff: What was, uh, I was watching a Stephen Colbert interview with Jeff Tweedy, who just put out a triple album and, uh, it was a very thoughtful, sweet interview. And then Stephen Colbert said, you know, you’re not supposed to do this. And Jeff Tweety said, it’s all part of my career long effort to leave the public wanting less. Christina: Ha, Jeff: That was a great bit. Christina: that’s a fantastic bit. A side note, there are a couple of really good NPR, um, uh, tiny desks that have come out in the last couple of month, uh, couple of weeks. Um, uh, one is shockingly, I, I’ll, I’ll just be a a, a fucking boomer about it. The Googo dolls. Theirs was [00:27:00] great. It’s fantastic. They did a great job. It already has like millions of views, like it wrecked up like over a million views, I think like in like, like less than 24 hours. They did a great job, but, uh, but Brandy Carlisle, uh, did one, um, the other day and hers is really, really good too. So, um, so yeah. Yeah, exactly. So yeah. Anyway, you said, you saying Jeff pd maybe, I don’t know how I got from Wilco to like, you know, there, Jeff: Yeah. Well, they’ve done some good, he’s done his own good Christina: he has, he has done his own. Good, good. That’s honestly, that’s probably what I was thinking of, but Jeff: It’s my favorite Jeff besides me because Bezos, he’s not in the, he’s not in the game. Christina: No. No, he’s not. No. Um, he, he’s, he’s not on the Christmas card list at all. Jeff: Oh man. Jeff’s Concert Marathon Jeff: Can I just tell you guys that I did something, um, I did something crazy a couple weeks ago and I went to three shows in one week, like I was 20 fucking two, Brett: Good grief. Jeff: and. It was a blast. So, okay, so the background of this is my oldest son [00:28:00] loves hip hop, and when we drive him to college and back, or when I do, it’s often just me. Um, he, he goes deep and he, it’s a lot of like, kind of indie hip hop and a lot. It’s just an interesting, he listens to interesting shit, but he will go deep and he’ll just like, give me a tour through someone’s discography or through all their features somewhere, whatever it is. And like, it’s the kind of input that I love, which is just like, I don’t, even if it’s not my genre, like if you’re passionate and you can just weave me through the interrelationship and the history and whatever it is I’m in. So as a result of that, made me a huge fan of Danny Brown and made me a huge fan of the sky, Billy Woods. And so what happened was I went to a hip hop show at the seventh Street entry, uh, which is attached to First Avenue. It’s a little club, very small, lovely little place, the only place my band could sell out. Um, and I watched a hip hop show there on a Monday night, Tuesday night. I went to the Uptown Theater, which Brett is now a actually an operating [00:29:00] theater for shows. Uh, and I, and I saw Danny Brown, but I also saw two hyper pop bands, a genre I was not previously aware of, including one, which was amazing, called Fem Tenal. And I was in line to get into that show behind furries, behind trans Kids. Like it was this, I was the weirdest, like I did not belong. Underscores played, and, and this will mean something to somebody out there, but not, didn’t mean anything to me until that night. And, uh. I felt like such, there were times, not during Danny Brown, Danny Brown’s my age all good. But like there were times where I was in the crowd ’cause I’m tall. Anybody that doesn’t know I’m very tall and I’m wearing like a not very comfortable or safe guy seeming outfit, a black hoodie, a black stocking cap. Like I basically looked like I’m possibly a shooter and, and I’m like standing among all these young people loving it, but feeling a little like, should I go to the back? Even like I was leaving that show [00:30:00] and the only people my age were people’s parents that were waiting to pick them up on the way out. So anyway, that was night two. Danny Brown was awesome. And then two nights later I went to see, this is way more my speed, a band called the Dazzling Kilman who were a band that. Came out in the nineties, St. Louis and a noisy Matthew Rock. Wikipedia claims they invented math rock. It’s a really stupid claim, uh, but it’s a lovely, interesting band and it’s a friend of mine named Nick Sakes, who’s who fronted that band and was in all these great bands back when I was in bands called Colos Mite and Sick Bay, and all this is great shit. So they played a reunion show. In this tiny punk rock club here called Cloudland, just a lovely little punk rock club. And, um, and, and that was like rounded out my week. So like, I was definitely, uh, a tourist the early part of the week, mostly at the Danny Brown Show. But then I like got to come home to my noisy punk rock [00:31:00] on, uh, on Thursday night. And I, I fucking did three shows and it hurt so bad. Like even by the first of three bands on the second night. I was like, I don’t think I can make it. And I do. I already pregame shows with ibuprofen. Just to be really clear, I microdose glucose tabs at shows like, like I am, I am a full on old man doing these things. But, um, I did get some cred with my kids for being at a hyper pop show all by myself. And, Christina: Hell yeah. A a Jeff: friends seemed impressed. Christina: no, as a as, as as they should be. I’m impressed. And like, and I, I, I typically like, I definitely go to like more of like, I go, I go to shows more frequently and, and I’m, I’m even like, I’m, I’m gonna be real with you. I’m like, yeah, three in one week. Jeff: That’s a lot. Christina: That’s a lot. That’s a lot. Jeff: man. Did I feel good when I walked home from that last show though? I was like, I fucking did it. I did not believe I wasn’t gonna bail on at least two of those shows, if not all three. Anyway, just wanted to say Brett: I [00:32:00] do like one show a year, but Jeff: that’s how I’ve been for years this year. I think I’ve seen eight shows. Brett: damn. Jeff: Yeah, it’s Brett: Alright, so you’ve been teasing us about this, this contest you won. Jeff: Yeah, please, Christina. Sorry to push that off. Christina: No, no, no, no. That’s, that’s completely okay. That, that, that, that’s great. Uh, no. Christina Wins Big Christina: So, um, I won two six K monitors. Brett: Damn. Jeff: is that what those boxes are behind you? Christina: Yeah, yeah. This is what the boxes are behind me, so I haven’t been able to get them up because this happened. I got them literally right in the midst of all this stuff with my back. Um, but I do have an Ergotron poll now that is here, and, and Grant has said that he will, will get them up. But yeah, so I won 2 32 inch six K monitors from a Reddit contest. Brett: How, how, how, Jeff: How does this happen? How do I find a Reddit contest? Christina: Yeah. So I got lucky. So I have, I, I have a clearly, well, well, um, there was a little, there was a little bit of like, other step to it than that, but like, uh, so how it worked was basically, um, LG is basically just put out [00:33:00] two, they put out a new 32 inch six K monitor. I’ll have it linked in, in, in the show notes. Um, so we’ve talked about this on this podcast before, but like one of my big, like. Pet peeve, like things that I can’t get past. It’s like I need like a retina screen. Like I need like the, the perfect pixel doubling thing for that the Mac Os deals with, because I’ve used a 5K screen, either through an iMac or um, an lg, um, ultra fine or, um, a, uh, studio display. For like 11 years. And, and I, and I’ve been using retina displays on laptops even longer than that. And so if I use like a regular 4K display, like it just, it, it doesn’t work for me. Um, you can use apps like, um, like better control and other things to kind of emulate, like what would be like if you doubled the resolution, then it, it down, you know, um, of samples that, so that. It looks better than, than if it’s just like the, the, the 4K stuff where in the, the user interface things are too big and whatnot. And to be clear, this is a Macco West problem. If [00:34:00] you are using Windows or Linux or any other operating system that does fractional scaling, um, correctly, then this is not a problem. But Macco West does not do fractional scaling direct, uh, correctly. Um, weirdly iOS can, like, they can do three X resolution and other things. Um, but, but, but Macs does not. And that’s weird because some of the native resolutions on some of the MacBook errors are not even perfectly pixeled doubled, meaning Apple is already having to do a certain amount of like resolution changes to, to fit into their own, created by their, their own hubris, like way of insisting on, on only having like, like two x pixel doubling 18 years ago, we could have had independent, uh, resolutions, uh, um, for, for UI elements and, and, and window bars. But anyway, I, I’m, I’m digressing anyway. I was looking at trying to get either a second, uh, studio display, which I don’t wanna do because Apple’s reportedly going to be putting out a new one. Um, and they’re expensive or getting, um, there are now a number of different six K [00:35:00] displays that are not $6,000 that are on the market. So, um, uh, uh, Asus has one, um, there is one from like a, a Chinese company called like, or Q Con that, um, looks like a, a complete copy of this, of the pro display XDR. It has a different panel, but it’s, it’s six K and they, they’ve copied the whole design and it’s aluminum and it’s glossy and it looks great, but I’d have to like get it from like. A weird distributor, and if I have any issues with it, I don’t really wanna have to send it back to China and whatnot. And then LG has one that they just put out. And so I’ve been researching these on, on Mac rumors and on some other forums. And, um, I, uh, I, somebody in one of the Mac Roomers forums like posted that there was like a contest that LG was running in a few different subreddits where they were like, tell us why you should get one of, like, we’re gonna be giving away like either one or two monitors, and I guess they did this in a few subreddits. Tell us why this would be good for your workflow. And, um, I guess I, I guess I’m one of the people who kind of read the [00:36:00] assignment because it, okay, I’ll just be honest with this, with, with you guys on this podcast, uh, because I, I don’t think anyone from LG will hear this and my answers were accurate anyway. But anyway, this was not the sort of contest where it was like we will randomly select a winner. This was the moderators and lg, were going to read the responses and choose the winner. Jeff: Got it. Christina: So if you spend a little bit of time and thoughtfully write out a response, maybe you stand a better chance of winning the contest. Jeff: yeah, yeah. Put the work in like it was 2002. Christina: Right. Anyway, I still was shocked when I like woke up like on like Halloween and they were like, congratulations, you’ve won two monitors. I’m like, I’m sorry. What? Jeff: That’s amazing. Christina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jeff: Nice work. I know I’ve, you know, I’ve been staring at those boxes behind you this whole time, just being like, those look like some sweet monitors. Christina: yeah, yeah. Monitor Setup Challenges Christina: I mean, and, uh, [00:37:00] uh, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, and I, I’m very much, so my, my, my only issue is, okay, how am I gonna get these on my desk? So I’m gonna have to do something with my iMac and I’m probably gonna have to get rid of my, my my, my 5K, um, uh, uh, studio display, at least in the short term. Ergotron Mounts and Tall Poles Christina: Um, but what I did do is I, um, I ordered from, um, Ergotron, ’cause I already have. Um, two of their, um, LX mounts, um, or, or, or, or arms. Um, and only one of them is being used right now. And then I have a different arm that I use for the, um, um, iMac. Um, they sell like a, if you call ’em directly, you can get them to send you a tall pole so that you can put the two arms on top of them. And that way I think I can like, have them so that I can have like one pole and then like have one on one side, one Jeff: I have a tall pole. Christina: and, and yeah, that’s what she said. Um, Jeff: as soon as I said it, I was like, for fuck’s sake. But Christina: um, but, uh, but, but yeah, but so that way I think I, I can, I, in theory, I can stack the market and have ’em side by side. I don’t know. Um, I got that. I, I had to call Tron and, and order that from them. [00:38:00] Um, it was only a hundred dollars for, for the poll and then $50 for a handling fee. Jeff: It’s not easy to ship a tall pole. Brett: That’s what she said. Christina: that is what she said. Uh, that is exactly what she said. But yeah, so I, I, the, the, the unfortunate thing is that, um, I, um, I, I had to, uh, get a, like all these, they, they came in literally right before Thanksgiving, and then I’ve had, like, all my back stuff has Jeff: Yeah, no Christina: debilitating, but I’m looking forward to, um, getting them set up and used. And, uh, yeah. Review Plans and Honest Assessments Christina: And then full review will be coming to, uh, to, I have to post a review on Reddit, but then I will also be doing a more in depth review, uh, on this podcast if anybody’s interested in, in other places too, to like, let let you know, like if it’s worth your money or not. Um, ’cause there, like I said, there are, there are a few other options out there. So it’s not one of those things where like, you know, um, like, thank you very much for the free monitor, um, monitors. But, but I, I will, I will give like the, the, you know, an honest assessment or Current Display Setup Brett: So [00:39:00] do you currently have a two display setup? Christina: No. Um, well, yes, and kind of, so I have my, my, I have my 5K studio display, and then I have like my iMac that I use as a two to display setup. But then otherwise, what I’ve had to do, and this is actually part of why I’m looking forward to this, is I have a 4K 27 inch monitor, but it’s garbage. And it, it’s one of those things where I don’t wanna use it with my Mac. And so I wind up only using it with my, with my Windows machine, with my framework desktop, um, with my Windows or Linux machine. And, and because that, even though I, it supports Thunderbolt, the Apple display is pain in the ass to use with those things. It doesn’t have the KVM built in. Like, it doesn’t like it, it just, it’s not good for that situation. So yeah, this will be of this size. I mean, again, like I, I, I’m 2 32 inch monitors. I don’t know how I’m gonna deal with that on my Jeff: I Brett: yeah. So right now I’m looking at 2 32 inch like UHD monitors, Christina: Yeah,[00:40:00] Brett: I will say that on days when my neck hurts, it sucks. It’s a, it’s too wide a range to, to like pan back and forth quickly. Like I’ll throw my back out, like trying to keep track of stuff. Um, but I have found that like if I keep the second display, just like maybe social media apps is the way I usually set it up. And then I only work on one. I tried buying an extra wide curve display, hated it. Jeff: Uh, I’ve always wanted to try one, but Christina: I don’t like them. Jeff: Yeah. Christina: Well, for me, well for me it’s two things. One, it’s the, I don’t love the whole like, you know, thing or whatever, but the big thing honestly there, if you could give me, ’cause people are like, oh, you can get a really big 5K, 2K display. I’m like, that’s not a 5K display. That is 2 27 inch, 1440 P displays. One, you know, ultra wide, which is great. Good for you. That’s not retina. And I’m a sicko Who [00:41:00] needs the, the pixel doubling? Like I wish that my eyes could not use that, but, but, but, Jeff: that needs the pixel. Like was that the headline of your Reddit, uh, Christina: no, no. It wasn’t, it wasn’t. But, but maybe it should be. Hi, I’m a sicko who only, um, fucks with, with, with, with, with, with, with retina displays. Ask me anything. Um, but no, but that’s a good point. Brett: I think 5K Psycho is the Christina: 5K Sicko is the po is the po title. I like that. I like that. No, what I’m thinking about doing and that’s great to know, Brett. Um, this kind of reaffirms my thing. Thunderbolt KVM and Display Preferences Christina: So what’s nice about these monitors is that they come with like, built in like, um, Thunderbolt 5K VM. So, which is nice. So you could conceivably have multiple, you know, computers, uh, connected, you know, to to, to one monitor, which I really like. Um, I mean like, ’cause like look, I, I’ve bitched and moaned about the studio display, um, primarily for the price, but at the same time, if mine broke tomorrow and if I didn’t have any way to replace it, I’ve, I’ve also gone on record saying I would buy a new one immediately. As mad as I am about a [00:42:00] lot of different things with that, that the built-in webcam is garbage. The, you know, the, the fact that there’s not a power button is garbage. The fact that you can’t use it with multiple inputs, it’s garbage. But it’s a really good display and it’s what I’m used to. Um, it’s really not any better than my LG Ultra fine from 2016. But you know what? Whatever it is, what it is. Um. I, I am a 5K sicko, but being able to, um, connect my, my personal machine and my work machine at the same time to one, and then have my Windows slash Linux computer connected to another, I think that’s gonna be the scenario where I’m in. So I’m not gonna necessarily be in a place where I’m like, okay, I need to try to look at both of them across 2 32 inch displays. ’cause I think that that, like, that would be awesome. But I feel like that’s too much. Brett: I would love a decent like Thunderbolt KVM setup that could actually swap like my hubs back and Christina: Yes. MacBook Pro and Studio Comparisons Brett: Um, so, ’cause I, I have a studio and I have my, uh, Infor MacBook Pro [00:43:00] and I actually work mostly on the MacBook Pro. Um, but if I could easily dock it and switch everything on my desk over to it, I would, I would work in my office more often. ’cause honestly, the M four MacBook Pro is, it’s a better machine than the original studio was. Um, and I haven’t upgraded my studio to the latest, but, um, I imagine the new one is top notch. Christina: Oh yeah. Yeah. Brett: my, my other one, a couple years old now is already long in the tooth. Christina: No, I mean, they’re still good. I mean, it’s funny, I saw that some YouTube video the other day where they were like, the best value MacBook you can get is basically a 4-year-old M1 max. And I was like, I don’t know about that guys. Like, I, I kind of disagree a little bit. Um, but the M1 max, which is I think is what is in the studio, is still a really, really good ship. But to your point, like they’ve made those, um. You know, the, the, the new ones are still so good. Like, I have an M three max as my personal laptop, and [00:44:00] that’s kind of like the dog chip in the, in the m um, series lineup. So I kind of am regretful for spending six grand on that one, but it is what it is, and I’m like, I’m not, I’m not upgrading. Um, I mean, maybe, maybe in, in next year if, if the M five Pro, uh, or M five max or whatever is, is really exceptional, maybe I’ll look at, okay, how much will you give me to, to trade it in? But even then, I, I, but I feel like I’m at that point where I’m like, it gets to a point where like it’s diminishing returns. Um, but, uh, just in terms of my own budget. But, um, yeah, the, the new just info like pro or or max, whatever, Brett: I have, I have an M four MacBook Pro sitting around that I keep forgetting to sell. Uh, it’s the one that I, it only had a 256 gigabyte hard drive, Jeff: what happened to me when I bought my M1, Brett: and I, and I regretted that enough that I just ordered another one. But, uh, for various reasons, I couldn’t just return the one I didn’t Jeff: ’cause it was.[00:45:00] Brett: so now I, now I have to sell it and I should sell it while it’s still a top of the line machine Christina: Sell it before, sell, sell, sell, sell it before next month, um, or, or February or whenever they sell it before then the, the pros come out. ’cause right now the M five base is out, but the pros are not. So I think feel like you could still get most of your value for it, especially since it has very few battery cycles. Be sure to put the battery cycles on your Facebook marketplace or eBay thing or whatever. Um, I bought my, uh, she won’t listen to this so she won’t know, but, um, they, there was a, a killer Cyber Monday deal, uh, for Best Buy where they had like a, the, the, the, so it’s several years old, but it was the, the M two MacBook Air, but the one that they upgraded to 16 gigs of Ram when Apple was like, oh, we have to have Apple Intelligence and everything, because they actually thought that they were actually gonna ship Apple Intelligence. So they like went back and they, like, they, they, you know, retconned like made the base model MacBook Air, like 16 [00:46:00] gigs. Um, and, uh, anyway, it was, it was $600, um, Jeff: still crazy. Christina: which, which like even for like a, a, a 2-year-old machine or whatever, I was like, yeah, she, my sister, I think she’s on like, like a 2014 or older than that. Like, like MacBook Air. She doesn’t even know where the MagSafe is. I don’t think she even knows where the laptop is. So she’s basically doing everything like on her phone and I’m like, okay, you need a laptop of some type, but at this point. I do feel strongly that like the, the, the $600 or, or, or actually I think it was $650, it was actually less, it is actually more expensive than what the, the, the Cyber Monday sale was, um, the M1, Walmart, MacBook Air. I’m like, absolutely not like that is at this point, do not buy that. Right? Like, I, especially with eight gigs of ram, I’m, I’m like, it’s been, it’s five years old. It’s a, it was a great machine and it was great value for a long time. $200. Cool, right? Like, if you could get something like use and, and, and, and if you could replace the battery or, you know, [00:47:00] for, for, you know, not, not too much money or whatever. Like, I, I, I could see like an argument to be made like value, right? But there’d be no way in hell that I would ever spend or tell anybody else to spend $650 on that new, but $600 for an M two with Jeff: Now we’re talking. Christina: which has the redesign brand new. I’m like, okay. Spend $150 more and you could have got the M four, um, uh, MacBook Air, obviously all around Better Machine. But for my sister, she doesn’t need that, Jeff: What do we have to do to put your sister in this M two MacBook Christina: that, that, that, that, that, that’s exactly it. So I, I, I was, well, also, it was one of those things I was like, I think that she would rather me spend the money on toys for my nephew for Santa Claus than, than, uh, giving her like a, a processor upgrade. Um, Jeff: Claus isn’t real. Brett: Oh shit. Jeff: Gotcha. Every year I spoil it for somebody. This year it was Christina and Brett. Sorry guys. Brett: right. Well, can I tell you guys Jeff: Yeah. [00:48:00] Brett Software. Brett: two quick projects before we do Jeff: Hold on. You don’t have to be quick ’cause you could call it Brett: We’re already at 45 minutes and I want Jeff: What I’m saying, skip GrAPPtitude. This is it? Brett: okay. Christina: us about Mark. Tell us about your projects. Brett: So, so Mark three is, there’s a public, um, test flight beta link. Uh, if you go to marked app.com, not marked two app.com, uh, marked app.com. Uh, you, there’s a link in the, in the, at the top for Christina: Join beta. Mm-hmm. Brett: Um, and that is public and you can join it and you can send me feedback directly through email because, um, uh, uh, the feedback reporter sucks for test flight and you can’t attach files. And half the time they come through as anonymous feedback and I can’t even follow up on ’em. So email me. But, um, I’ll be announcing that on my blog soon-ish. Um, right now there’s like [00:49:00] maybe a couple dozen, um, testers and I, it’s nice and small and I’m solving the biggest bugs right away. Um, so that’s been, that’s been big. Like Mark, even since we last talked has added. Do you remember Jeff when Merlin was on and he wanted to. He wanted to be able to manage his styles, um, and disable built-in styles. There’s now a whole table based style manager where you Jeff: saw that. Brett: you can, you can reorder, including built-in styles. You can reorder, enable, disable, edit, duplicate. Um, it’s like a full, full fledged, um, style manager. And I just built a whole web app that is a style generator that gives you, um, automatic like rhythm calculations for your CSS and you can, you can control everything through like, uh, like UI fields instead of having to [00:50:00] write CSS. Uh, but you can also o open up a very, I’ve spent a lot of time on the code mirror CSS editor in the web app. Uh, so, and it’s got live preview as you edit in the code mirror field. Um, so that’s pretty cool. And that’s built into marts. So if you go to style, um, generate style, it’ll load up a, a style generator for you. Anyway, there’s, there’s a ton. I’m not gonna go into all the details, but, uh, anyone listening who uses markdown for anything, especially if you want ability to export to like Word and epub and advanced PDF export, um, join the beta. Let me know what you think. Uh, help me squash bugs. But the other thing, every time I push a beta for review before the new bug reports come in, I’ve been putting time into a tool. Markdown Processor: Apex Brett: I’m calling [00:51:00] Apex and um, I haven’t publicly announced this one yet, but I probably will by the time this podcast comes out. Jeff: I mean, doesn’t this count? Brett: It, it does. I’m saying like this, this might be a, you hear you heard it here first kind of thing, um, but if you go to github.com/tt sc slash apex, um, I built a, uh, pure C markdown processor that combines syntax from cram down GitHub flavored markdown, multi markdown maku, um, common mark. And basically you can write syntax from any of those processors, including all of their special features, um, and in one document, and then use Apex in its unified mode, and it’ll just figure out what. All of your syntax is supposed to do. Um, so you can take, you can port documents from one platform to another [00:52:00] without worrying about how they’re gonna render. Um, if I can get any kind of adoption with Apex, it could solve a lot of problems. Um, I built it because I want to make it the default processor in marked ’cause right now, you, you have to choose, you know, cram Christina: Which one? Brett: mark and, and choosing one means you lose something in order to gain something. Um, so I wanted to build a universal one that brought together everything. And I added cool features from some extensions of other languages, such as if you have two lists in a row, normally in markdown, it’s gonna concatenate those into one list. Now you can put a carrot on a line between the two lists and it’ll break it into two lists. I also added support for a. An extension to cram down that lets you put double uh, carrots inside a table cell and [00:53:00] create a row band. So like a cell that, that expands it, you rows but doesn’t expand the rest of the row. Um, so you can do cell spans and row spans and it has a relaxed table version where you don’t have to have an alignment row, which is, uh, sometimes we just wanna make quickly table. You make two lines. You put some pipes in. This will, if there’s no alignment row, it will generate a table with just a table body and table data cells in no header. It also allows footers, you can add a footer to a table by using equals in the separator line. Um, it, it’s, Jeff: This is very civilized, Brett: it is. Christina: is amazing, Brett: So where Common Mark is extremely strict about things, um, apex is extremely permissive. Jeff: also itty bitty things like talk about the call out boxes from like Brett: oh yeah, it, it can handle call out syntax from Obsidian and Bear and Xcode Playgrounds. [00:54:00] Um, and it incorporates all of Mark’s syntax for like file includes and even renders like auto scroll pauses that work in marked and some other teleprompter situations. Um, it uses file ude syntax from multi markdown, like, which is just like a curly brace and, uh, marked, which is, uh, left like a double left, uh, angle bracket and then different. Brackets to surround a file name and it handles IA writer file inclusion where you just type a forward slash and then the name of a file and it automatically detects if that file is an image or source code or markdown text, and it will import it accordingly. And if it’s a CSV file, it’ll generate a table from it automatically. It’s, it’s kind of nuts. I, it’s kind of nuts. I could not have done this [00:55:00] without copilot. I, I am very thankful for copilot because my C skills are not, would not on their own, have been up to this task. I know enough to bug debug, but yeah, a lot of these features I got a big hand from copilot on. Jeff: This is also Brett. This is some serious Brett Terpstra. TURPs Hard Christina: Yeah, it is. I was gonna say, this is like Jeff: and also that’s right. Also, if your grandma ever wrote you a note and it, and though you couldn’t really read it, it really well, that renders perfectly Christina: Amazing. No, I was gonna say this is like, okay, so Apex is like the perfect name ’cause this is the apex of Brett. Jeff: Yes. Apex of Brett. Christina: That’s also that, that’s, that’s not an alternate episode title Apex of Brett. Because genuinely No, Brett, like I am, I am so stunned and impressed. I mean, you all, you always impressed me like you are the most impressive like developer that I, that I’ve ever known. But you, this is incredible. And, and this, I, I love this [00:56:00] because as you said, like common Mark is incredibly strict. This is incredibly permissive. But this is great. ’cause there are those scenarios where you might have like, I wanna use one feature from one thing or one from another, or I wanna combine things in various ways, or I don’t wanna have to think about it, you know? Brett: I aals, I forgot to mention I aals inline attribute list, which is a crammed down feature that lets you put curly brackets after like a paragraph and then a colon and then say, dot call out inside the curly brackets. And then when it renders the markdown, it creates that paragraph and adds class equals call out to the paragraph. Um, and in, in Cramon you can apply these to everything from list items to list to block quotes. Like you can do ’em for spans. You could like have one after, uh, link syntax and just apply, say dot external to a link. So the IAL syntax can add IDs classes and uh, arbitrary [00:57:00] attributes to any element in your markdown when it renders to HTML. And, uh, and Apex has first class support for I aals. Was really, that was, that Christina: that was really hard, Brett: I wrote it because I wanted, I wanted multi markdown, uh, for my prose writing, but I really missed the als. Christina: Yes. Okay. Because see, I run into this sort of thing too, right? Because like, this is a problem like that. I mean, it’s a very niche problem, um, that, that, you know, people who listen to this podcast probably are more familiar with than other types of people. But like, when you have to choose your markdown processor, which as you said, like Brett, like that can be a problem. Like, like with, with using Mark or anything else, you’re like, what am I giving up? What do I have? And, and like for me, because I started using mul, you know, markdown, um, uh, largely because of you, um, I think I was using it, I knew about it before you, but largely because of, of, of you, like multi markdown has always been like kind of my, or was historically my flavor of choice. It has since shifted to being [00:58:00] GitHub, labor bird markdown. But that’s just because the industry has taken that on, right? But there were, you know, certain things like in like, you know, multi markdown that work a certain way. And then yeah, there are things in crammed down. There are things in these other things in like, this is just, this is awesome. This Brett: It is, the whole thing is built on top of C mark, GFM, which is GitHub’s port of common mark with the GitHub flavored markdown Christina: Right. Brett: Um, and I built, like, I kept that as a sub-module, totally clean, and built all of this as extensions on top of Cmar, GFM, which, you know, so it has full compatibility with GitHub and with Common Merck by out, like outta the box. And then everything else is built on top of that. So it, uh, it covers, it covers all the bases. You’ll love it Christina: I’m so excited. No, this is awesome. And I Brett: blazing fast. It can render, I have a complex document that, that uses all of its features and it can render it in [00:59:00] 0.006 seconds. Christina: that’s awesome. Jeff: Awesome. Christina: That’s so cool. No, this is great. And yeah, I, and I think that honestly, like this is the sort of thing like if, yeah, if you can eventually get this to like be like the engine that powers like mark three, like, that’ll be really slick, right? Because then like, yeah, okay, I can take one document and then just, you know, kind of, you know, wi with, with the, you know, ha have, have the compatibility mode where you’re like, okay, the unified mode or whatever yo

I had the great opportunity to chat with Conley Crimmins about the stunning Cloudland at McLemore Resort. In this episode you will learn a little bit about the history of Cloudland, the prestige cliff-side courses, and what all this resort has to offer. Being so close to where I live, I have had the opportunity to visit several times, and each time I am visiting I am blown away with the beauty surrounding the hotel and attention to detail within the hotel. From the delicious restaurants, gorgeous views, and relaxing spa, you can both indulge and explore while in the mountains of Northwest Georgia. Check out Cloudland at McLemore through Instagram and their website. Support the showAs always thank you for listening to the podcast! My website is the BEST place to purchase your next itinerary or concierge guide, shop my links, or listen to more episodes of Indulge & Explore. Don't forget to follow along with me on Instagram for great travel content!Leave a review and in the meantime keep indulging and exploring!

Hour 3 of October 31, 2025 Jacob Townsend talks with Cloudland head coach Zac Benfield as the Highlanders get set for their game against Hampton. Then, Jacob is joined by Science Hill head coach Stacy Carter as the Hilltoppers get set to host Dobyns-Bennett. Also, he is joined by Hampton head coach Michael Lunsford as they travel to Cloudland. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this week's episode of the Black Girl Nerds podcast, we chat with Amina Mucciolo, the founder of Cloudland and Studio Mucci. She's also the author of the book "A Rainbow In Your Cloud". Amina is a self-described “unicorn, creative visionary, digital influencer” and the woman behind the decor company, Studio Mucci.  Host: Jamie Music by: Sammus Edited by: Jamie Broadnax

Hour 1 of Carter County Media Day on July 29, 2025 Jacob Townsend talks to Cloudland head football coach Zac Benfield ahead of the 2025 season for the Highlanders. Then, he talks to Happy Valley head football coach Jason Jarrett ahead of the 2025 season for the Warriors. Also, he is joined by Unaka athletic director Wes Wright to talk about Ranger athletics. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hour 3 of Carter County Media Day on July 29, 2025 Jacob Townsend talks with Unaka head football coach O'Brien Bennett ahead of the 2025 Rangers season, as part of 24 Teams in 24 Days sponsored by Erwin Paint and Body Shop. Then, Jacob is joined by Cloudland athletic director and girl's basketball coach Matt Birchfield about Highlander athletics. Finally, Jacob wraps up the show with recaps on all four football programs in Carter County. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hosts Jim DeRogatis and Greg Kot pay tribute to the late singer, songwriter and musician David Thomas. They do a deep dive on his career and life, discussing his music with Pere Ubu and Rocket from the Tombs.Join our Facebook Group: https://bit.ly/3sivr9TBecome a member on Patreon: https://bit.ly/3slWZvcSign up for our newsletter: https://bit.ly/3eEvRnGMake a donation via PayPal: https://bit.ly/3dmt9lUSend us a Voice Memo: Desktop: bit.ly/2RyD5Ah Mobile: sayhi.chat/soundops Featured Songs:Pere Ubu, "Non-Alignment Pact," The Modern Dance, Plan 9, 1978The Beatles, "With A Little Help From My Friends," Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Parlophone, 1967Pere Ubu, "Babylonian Warehouses (Live on Sound Opinions)," Why I Hate Women, Smog Veil, 2006Dead Boys, "Ain't It Fun," We Have Come for Your Children, Sire, 1978Pere Ubu, "30 Seconds Over Tokyo," 30 Seconds Over Tokyo (Single), Hearthan, 1975Dead Boys, "Sonic Reducer," Young, Loud and Snotty, Sire, 1977Rocket from the Tombs, "Amphetamine (Live)," The Day the Earth Met Rocket from the Tombs (Live From Punk Ground Zero, Cleveland 1975), Smog Veil, 2002Pere Ubu, "Laughing," The Modern Dance, Blank, 1978Pere Ubu, "Humor Me," The Modern Dance, Blank, 1978Pere Ubu, "Dub Housing," Dub Housing, Chysalis, 1978Pere Ubu, "Caligari's Mirror," Dub Housing, Chysalis, 1978Pere Ubu, "(Pa) Ubu Dance Party," Dub Housing, Chysalis, 1978Pere Ubu, "Navvy," Dub Housing, Chysalis, 1978Pere Ubu, "Waiting For Mary," Cloudland, Fontana, 1989Pere Ubu, "George Had a Hat," The Tenement Year, Enigma, 1988Rocket from the Tombs, "Sonic Reducer," The Day the Earth Met Rocket from the Tombs (Live From Punk Ground Zero, Cleveland 1975), Smog Veil, 2002Pere Ubu, "Caroleen (Live on Sound Opinions)," Why I Hate Women, Smog Veil, 2006Arvella Gray, "John Henry," I Blueskvarter Chicago 1964, Volume Two, Jefferson, 2000See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We recently travelled to Cloudland at McLemore Resort for a once in a lifetime golf trip and what we found there exceeded our wildest expectations.   Listen to This Week's Show Download on iTunes here Listen on Spotify here Thanks to this Week's Sponsors Titleist is committed to ensuring that every golf ball delivers superior quality and consistency.  From ball to ball, dozen to dozen we should expect our golf ball to perform exactly the same way, shot after shot. That's why Titleist owns the design, the technology and the manufacturing to make sure consistency spot on every time. They even conduct all the testing and quality checks to make sure nothing slips through the cracks.  Titleist is the #1 ball for every player and the #1 ball in golf.  Choose the best for your game and find out more at Titleist.com. Trust your golf game to FootJoy, the number one Shoe in Golf. Shop now at FootJoy.com. Thanks for tuning to The Golf Podcast! Cover Image via X

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This is a personal one. A quick look at the history of one of my favourite music venues in my home town of Brisbane in Queensland. 

In this episode, the Chickamauga Battlefield Connector Trail moves forward, and the county finalizes an agreement to promote the new Cloudland at McLemore Resort. SUBSCRIBE to our YOUTUBE channel to watch this video. http://walkercountyga.gov/tag/podcast/feed

The following took place at this meeting: -Approval of the FY2025 Budget -Appointment of a new police chief -Contract with the Trust for Public Land for the Chickamauga Battlefield Connector Trail project -Tourism Product Promotion and Development Agreement with Scenic Land Company concerning Cloudland at McLemore project SUBSCRIBE to our YOUTUBE channel to watch this … Continue reading Walker County Board of Commissioners Meeting Audio from 9-12-24

From MPR News, Art Hounds are members of the Minnesota arts community who look beyond their own work to highlight what's exciting in local art. Their recommendations are lightly edited from the audio heard in the player above. Want to be an Art Hound? Submit here. Art Hounds podcast serieshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/art-hounds/id525807829Space cowboys and stolen moonMaria Ghassemlou of Minneapolis is a longtime Minnesota Fringe house manager, and that's where she saw the play “Moonwatchers” in 2022. The two-person show won the Best in Venue and Underdog awards that year. Now, she's delighted to share that the show is back at Open Eye Theatre in Minneapolis. The show is created and performed by Corey Farrell and Nigel Berkeley, who attended the University of Minnesota / Guthrie Theater BFA Actor Training program together. The show opens tonight and runs through Sept 22.  Maria says: “Moonwatchers” is a show where there's two office workers, and their job just happens to be watching the moon and making sure that things happen on time — just a normal office job — but something goes awry when somebody steals the moon. Now they have to go on an adventure to go find it. This is a two-person show where they play multiple characters. There's Space Cowboys, there's aliens, cows, space Jane Austin and space grass. It's just a lot of silly and fun.— Maria GhassemlouCloudland celebrates DIY spiritPhil Schwarz of Minneapolis volunteers at Extreme Noise Records, and he wants people to know about Cloudland Theater, a 150-seat music venue on East Lake Street that celebrates its first anniversary this fall. He describes Cloudland as filling a need for a small venue for DIY musicians (read: artist book gigs themselves) outside of a traditional bar setting. Phil says: There's not a lot of smaller venues in town. And when venues came back [after pandemic closures], there was an explosion of new bands and stuff, and a lot of these venues were a lot harder to book shows in, so Cloudland came along at a perfect time. The shows are very intimate: you can converse with the musicians and stuff like that, and it's very kind of communal.  I'm super excited for Feast of Lanterns, which features Alan Sparhawk of the band Low and also Pete Biasi, who used to be in a great post-punk band from here called Signal to Trust. It's kind of different than what Alan's done with Low: I would say noise punk and more abrasive. They will be playing Saturday, September 21 at Cloudland.— Phil SchwarzPortraits of fame on displayGabi Marmet is a senior at The Blake School in Minneapolis, where she works on the student journal, Spectrum. She had a chance to interview Blake alum Thea Traff, who has photographed portraits of President Joe Biden, the Rolling Stones, Rachel Weisz, Sofia Coppola and Jessica Chastain, among a host of other entertainers and newsmakers, for such publications as The New Yorker and New York Times Magazines. A selection of her mostly black and white photography is on display at the Bennett Gallery at the Blake School, open to the public through early October. Gabi was struck by how Thea got her start as a Blake student taking photographs, and how her current schedule means sometimes she'll get a call and have 48 hours to show up and photograph a subject.  Gabi says: They're all very different styles, depending on the person. The Rolling Stones looked like they were having such a fun time in their photo shoot; they were just like laughing or like smiling really big.(Most impressive photography subject, in Gabi's opinion? Actor and singer Ben Platt — Gabi's a fan.) — Gabi Marmet

Welcome to another inspiring episode of the Women in Safety podcast. On the third part of our 5-part mini series, “Mentor in the Moment”, sponsored by Heather Burzacott from Suremploy, Alanna is thrilled to be joined by Nicole Turnbull, the inspiring founder of Neon Shed, for this episode.  Alanna and Nicole are diving deep into the heart of an event that's really close to their hearts—the upcoming Psychosocial Safety Summit this October. This isn't just another conference; it's a gathering that's been making waves in the Women in Safety community for three years now, and it's all about tackling some of the toughest issues we face in the workplace. In this episode, Nicole and Alanna cover the critical topics that will be front and centre at the summit—things like managing alcohol in the workplace, addressing domestic violence, preventing burnout, and understanding the complex dynamics of gender and generational differences. These are not just buzzwords; they are real challenges that so many of us are dealing with everyday, with the goal to arm you with the inspiration and practical tools you need to navigate these challenges head-on. But it's not all heavy stuff—they also talk about the incredible opportunities this summit offers for networking and building connections with like-minded professionals. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting out in your career, there's something here for everyone. And with a digital platform to connect with speakers and other attendees, you're going to leave this event feeling not just informed, but truly empowered. If you're passionate about making a difference in your workplace, you won't want to miss this conversation or the summit itself. Make sure to mark your calendars for October and join us in supporting and celebrating Women in Safety. Connect with Nicole: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolesturnbull/  Email: hello@neonshed.com.au  Join us in Brisbane on 16-17 October for the Psychosocial Safety Summit! Get your tickets today! - https://neonshed.teachable.com/p/psychosocial-safety-summit  Then we'll have our Women in Safety Awards on the night of 17th October, so grab your tickets and join us at Cloudland! - https://www.womeninsafety.net/2024-women-in-safety-awards  Ready to take your understanding of workplace issues to the next level? Don't wait—subscribe to the podcast, share this episode with a colleague, and be sure to register for the Psychosocial Safety Summit in October. Let's make a real impact together! Got questions? Connect with us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/womeninsafety/  Email us -  admin@womeninsafety.net  Sign up for the newsletter - https://www.womeninsafety.net/  Don't forget to share this episode with your network and help us spread the word about the incredible work being done in the health and safety profession! Be sure to hit follow on Spotify or the + on Apple Podcasts to get the latest episodes. If you share this episode on your socials, be sure to tag @womeninsafety

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Nikki and Jonathan Dunagan were invited out to Cloudland at The McLemore Resort at Lookout Mountain, GA to experience the sights, courses and food like no other. They join Adam to highlight all the best of their visit. Later, the trio discusses Scottie Scheffler's arrest fallout and Xander's first major victory. Listeners can save 15% at TRUELinkswear.com with code UNFILTERED15 at checkout! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/golf-unfiltered/message

Years in the making. Walker County's next major tourist destination, a mountaintop golf resort, becomes reality. On this episode of WALKER This Week, we take you to Cloudland at McLemore, high atop Lookout Mountain. SUBSCRIBE to our YOUTUBE channel to watch this video. http://walkercountyga.gov/tag/podcast/feed

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Georgia's Cloudland Vineyards and Winery has obtained TTB approval for the Lomanto grape, an obscure hybrid with the potential to produce fine wine in the state. This significant achievement, the result of extensive research and perseverance, is a testament to the company's dedication. Cloudland Vineyards and Winery City: Buford Address: 3796 North Bogan Road Website: https://cloudlandwines.com/

Meet Mike Borraccio: head chef at Cloudland Farm, based in Woodstock. Fixed menu dinners by reservation only on Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays - heavily featuring meat and foods grown right there on the land. Photography by Jessica Notargiacomo. For more, follow Eat Vermont. Episode Sponsor Runamok Maple is a premier maple syrup company in Vermont. Most known for they're sparkle syrup, Runamok also has an enormous line of delicious naturally-infused maple syrups. See more at their website: www.runamokmaple.com

In today's episode of Welcome to Cloundlandia, we speak about the importance of making bets and guesses in today's shifting environment and how the eight profit activators form the foundation of any successful business.   SHOW HIGHLIGHTS Have you ever thought about how taking risks and making educated guesses can impact your life and career? This podcast explores just that, drawing from personal experiences like dealing with an Alzheimer's diagnosis and the COVID-19 pandemic.. If you're looking to build a successful business, you'll want to check out this podcast. It breaks down the eight profit activators that every successful business needs and how they work together to create a powerful blueprint for success. When it comes to running a business, finding the right target market is key. One way to do that is by writing a book that draws in prospects. It's all about knowing your audience. Even with all the changes happening in the world today, the eight profit activators discussed in the podcast remain relevant no matter what situation you're in. Did you know that the Shekel currency has a fascinating history? This podcast explores that, as well as the exciting advancements being made in chat and AI applications. Want to boost productivity on your team? Consider integrating AI to handle tedious tasks, freeing up team members to focus on the things they're best at. Combining AI with the Working Genius concept and the idea of 'Thinking About Your Thinking' can take your team's performance to the next level. This podcast dives into how it all works. Speaking of the Working Genius concept, the podcast also discusses how the Working Genius website can be used to better understand individual and team dynamics, especially when combined with AI integration. Taking the time to reflect on personal experiences can lead to valuable insights and self-awareness, which can ultimately improve decision-making and creativity. As technology continues to advance and change our lives, there's a growing desire to systematize the predictable while humanizing the exceptional. It's a general human aspiration for the 21st century. Links: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com TRANSCRIPT Dean Jackson Mr Sullivan. Dan Sullivan How are? Dean Jackson you. Welcome to Cloudland, thank you very much, i usually just hit on recent. Dan Sullivan I just hit. Usually hit on recent phone call and you're usually there. But I was in London all week and Babs and I were face face, face timing it all week. Dean Jackson So I was looking for your number that. Dan Sullivan I could share. Dean Jackson Well, how was your whirlwind adventure? Dan Sullivan Well, it was great Babs couldn't go. She had she developed a really bad, you know sore throat for a couple days before and she just thought that the overnight flight would not do her any good. Dean Jackson No. Dan Sullivan So, anyway, i kept the trip short. I arrived on Monday morning and I flew out on Friday, but we had an all day. we had an all day session. We had a morning workshop for anybody who would want to come you know which mostly signature. And then there were some 10 times people And then in the afternoon I did it just for 10 times and free zone And as a great treat, evan Ryan and Keegan Caldwell were both in London. Dean Jackson And they came over. Dan Sullivan they came over for the day, so I spotlighted them. Oh very nice. We're just. We're starting with Keegan, i was starting with Evan. Our whole company is going to go through a six to two hour Zoom program on. AI. Ai is your teammate, okay, and so that starts in the near future. Those who are above my security clearance will be handling the exact details. And then I had Keegan talk about the IP, and that was, that was a treat, and so it went really, really well. You know we had about 80 in the morning. they had scheduled train strike in Britain on Thursday, so I suspect we probably lost about 40. And at least I scheduled it tonight. I hate when somebody strikes without any advance. Dean Jackson Let you know we're not. we're not coming in on Thursday. Yeah, yeah. Dan Sullivan So and the UK's train country, because it's got very dense population. And of course they have they have a lot of well, they have the tube. The tube was fine but that's more or less inside London, But the outer, you know when they come from one of the outer towns or cities and they take one of the trains. Dean Jackson And and. Dan Sullivan But in the afternoon I did the whole thing for three hours on. Get your best guesses and bets, which is a. It's a real wake up call. It's a wake up call for a lot of people that. I said you know the people who are predicting this and predicting that. You know, in the world today they're guessing, actually they're. They're making a guess and they want to do it persuasively so that you'll bet on their guess. You know and that. that is my definition of marketing You try to get other people to bet on your bet on your guess. Dean Jackson I like this a lot. Yeah, i wanted to talk a little about that. That's a part of the new book. Dan Sullivan It's part of the new book. The three rules are everything's made up, nobody's in charge, life's not fair. And if you put that, if you put that together, then there's a whole series of other things that flow out of the putting the three rules Everything's made up, nobody's in charge, life's not fair. Nobody's stopping you from nobody's stopping you from making stuff up Right. And every everybody, everybody who sees or experiences you're making up some new, might feel that that's not fair. And that's not fair, yeah, if you're doing that, but you're not responsible for how you feel, how they feel, right. Dean Jackson Right, right, yeah, so so amazing. So a very was your. How was that message kind of received in London? What's there? what's on their minds? What kind of guessing and betting are they doing? Dan Sullivan Yeah, well, you know, we immediately take them into an exercise where they just look at their you know their, their life and their career, you know. so what are the best guesses? you didn't. it wasn't certain at all, you were just guessing that. I might want to go in this direction, so, but you're basing it on certain signals that you're picking up from the world in which you live. And you say you know, i think, i think if we did this, we would get a reward for our effort And and then there's certain other guesses, which are possibilities that you actually bet on. You know, and you know and we've discussed this before of different things that you and I have been the past bet on, which has more or less brought us to where we are right now. Dean Jackson And I've been reflecting on, you know, going back again over the, i've been identifying them as chapters. You know periods where I think that there's like distinct, like vector points in about every four years. For for me, if I go all the way back to 1980. And even drew before that, but from 1980, you know, from 80 to 84, my kind of high school years, and 84 to 88 was really well, those whole eight years were really all about tennis and the last four in Florida. Then, you know, coming back 88, to two chapters in a row really of real estate, my real estate career in that beginning, And I just look at how neatly it fits into the things. And there's been some wild card chapters too in there, like I looked at, i think, about my mom being diagnosed with Alzheimer's, you know as a wild card chapter that was really four years from diagnosis till she passed. And then I look at we're in the middle now of 2023, which at the end of this year the COVID, you know chapter will have been four years. We've been in this chapter, which I think we're finally, you know, on the tail end of closing that chapter now, fingers crossed right. And so, looking back at those things, it's kind of an interesting, just looking at that rhythm, that there's a lot of those things that there's no way to have seen more than two chapters ahead. What's actually? Dan Sullivan going to come. Dean Jackson Like I looked at a lot of the things that we're doing right now. We're not even like conceivable back four chapters ago. It's not possible. But I think you can make pretty good guesses and bets in that four year timeframe. You know, with a you can see contextually where things are going to go. But I look at it that you know, we, in the context of the big change, all the things that were happening from 1900 and 1950, those were sort of you know, you could see them coming in a way right. Because they were all just furthering advancements of things that were. The seed of them was already in place And you could. You could have predicted, once electricity was set in, that people are going to go. This is pretty, pretty, pretty good. Let's get it everywhere you know and once people you know, once you crack the code on moving pictures, that's just and radio. what if we combined moving pictures and the radio and we could send them through the airwaves? you know all those things were, the seeds of them were were there, and I look at it now and I wonder, you know, looking at it right now, in the cup of where we are, what you know, it seems much foggier initially to kind of think out 25 years. I mean nothing seems too outlandish now when you start to think like, will we be, will we be teleporting in 25 years? I mean, who knows, you know? I mean it's so, so crazy. Dan Sullivan Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I came across a term and it was from a very, very early kind of commentator on the impact that technology has and it's just looking at it the other day, and it's by a French. Call him a philosopher, and Jacques Loll that's the name, and he wrote a book in 1980, which was called The Technological System, and he said that there's some very identifiable characteristics that technology has, and the one that kind of got to me around the area of guesses and bets is one called causal, causal progression, and in you know, sort of simple terms, what it means is that when you have a capability, you tend to try to push that into a, you try to push that into a very impactful kind of resource that you have you have a capability, And then you're lining it up best guesses who will be eager to take advantage of this capability, okay, And then, and you know, and that's where bets come in, because the way they show their interest is actually by betting on you. And that feeds. that's like that feeds the confidence that you have about this particular capability is of being useful. So if I take you back 1988, that's not 88, but maybe would 98 be a better, because that would be 25 years ago 25 years yeah. Yeah, so what capability did you already have at that time? that was your bias. You almost had a bias for what kind? of opportunities you're looking for, because you can match up that capability with an opportunity. Dean Jackson So I had the framework for what is the eight profit activators then, but already you know I had the framework, the underlying system of that, as I saw that as a universal kind of bedrock system that identified what are the things that are going to be absolutely true Like. If you look at each of the eight profit activators, you still no matter what this concept of a before unit, a during unit and an after unit, underlined with the, you know, accepting a single target market and compelling prospects to call you and educating and motivating and making offers, those things were. I saw those as the universal, you know, the contextual truth that is not going to change. Dan Sullivan Well, it's kind of like a supply wheel and. I said each. You know the eight profit activators. One of them is necessary but, with just one of them, you might not get much action or result from it. So it's actually a stack. You know, there's a sort of people are calling things stack, but these are habit, these are capability and habit activators that you're talking about, but they're all integrated into a single system where, if you improve on one of them, the improvement is felt by the other seven. Dean Jackson And every element of a business fits within those in the marketing of a business fits in that framework. Dan Sullivan So that was the beginning of it And I really And this is the basis of the blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint, the breakthrough blueprint. Dean Jackson Yes, applying these eight profit activators, overlaying it on top of your business to create a blueprint for breakthrough is you can have a breakthrough by dialing in the perfect target audience Or shifting your focus to It's perfectly dovetails with the largest check concept. If you think about if we were just to select a target market of your largest check clients, let's lock that in. Now we'll move on to profit activator too. Notice what would compel your largest check prospects, if they're invisible or visible prospects, to raise their hand and say I'm interested in this. And this is where a book comes into play, that I look at a book as the And. I go to profit activator tool to get and identify in a conversation with your ideal prospect, and so overlaying this idea of visible prospects versus invisible prospects is The way I describe that is, if your prospect is chiropractors, those are, those are visible prospects and you can get a list of them and point to them. There's one, there's one, there's one, there's one. You can see who they are specifically. But if you're a chiropractor, your prospects are invisible because you can't get a list of people who just woke up with a twisted back this morning or pulled their backs in the garden yesterday or those things. So you have to draw those people out towards you And that's where a book is like the ideal thing If you've got a book that says on the title, beyond cover, exactly what somebody wants. I work, you know Dr Milke, the podiatrist in Milwaukee I think he's in 10 times, so I've been working with him for some time now but we did a series of books and one of them is the planter fascitis solution, and so we advertise that book on Facebook in a radius around his practice, around his office there, and people raise their hand and say, oh, i want the planter fascitis solution. And now he's in conversation with someone who's his ideal prospect. So that level of I just look at applying those things, that, as we look back, and I think about the conversation that you and I had 10 years ago that led to the Breakthrough Blueprint live event was what is the thing that would be fascinating? Dan Sullivan and motivating, fascinated and motivate you for your whole life. Dean Jackson Yeah, for 25 years And here we are, you know, 10 years later, and I'm still fascinated and motivated by the idea of applying the eight profit activators to all kinds of businesses. It's fascinating. Dan Sullivan Well, here's an interesting thing about predictions. I mean, i just passed my 79th birthday, so 1944, i was born And I would say that in my entire conscious experience, which started around 1950, we are in the midst of the greatest amount of multidimensional shifting that I've seen in my entire life, and it's taking place on the economic level. It's the same thing on politics, social, cultural and geographically, demographically almost anything that any area by which things are organized to make things you know have sense and have direction and everything. All those things are shifting And I think they're shifting in fairly unpredictable ways. In other words, we don't know what it's going to have. But just to go back to your process, it seems to me that it really doesn't matter what's happening. There will be individuals for whom they're looking for a system that identifies at any given time their profit activators. Dean Jackson That's exactly right, it doesn't matter It doesn't really matter. Dan Sullivan It doesn't really matter who it is, what industry they're in, where they live now. Now that we have Zoom, and so my sense is that, but the thing about it is that you're not really, really. you're way past the question. I wonder what individuals in the future will be looking for, because they'll be looking for you, regardless of what they're doing and what their situation is. Dean Jackson Yeah, i mean, that's really, I think, the. Dan Sullivan Profit is not a brand new notion. Exactly. Dean Jackson I wonder what the history of profit I mean you mentioned. I have a recollection of you mentioning something about the history of profit making And Well. I mean As a concept. Dan Sullivan Yeah, i mean it's got to be, in a certain sense, not necessarily the word. They wouldn't necessarily have that word because that's peculiar to the language, but yeah. But I mean I just can't imagine, when you have a growth of a human community, that there's the thing that somebody knows how to provide something of value that returns them more than they spend to deliver what they're delivering, or I mean, that's not the core of entrepreneurship, right? Well, I think it's the core of humanity. I think it's the core of humanity, And that I mean it took a long time to get to a point where you could have what we call a currency to have a currency, you know, i mean where you had that understanding of money and you actually had a vehicle, a money type vehicle, that you could do it. I mean, that's fairly recent, so this you know, goes back from what I understand, goes back a couple of fourth, I'll say 4,000 years. It was called the Shekel, It was created in the Middle East and what's Mesopotamia? So which is in the Iranian kind of the Iranian, if you're going east Iran and you know, and Pakistan and everything, And but for a couple of thousand years the grain barley was used as a medium of exchange. You know I think it was 2000 years and that would take us right up to, you know, maybe 3000 years ago, you know so, 1000 BC, and I think that that's when what's now called Mesopotamia created a coin that had a hundred It was. You could take bits. They would divide it into sections and you could snap off. It's made of silver and you could snap off one of the little pies you know so they'd have it pie, and then you know if you gave to him. That was called two bits. You know two bits for really. Dean Jackson Oh, really Okay. Dan Sullivan Six bits. Yeah, that's for our term, but yeah, and you know, and that was a capability then you know, people didn't have to take a wagon load of barley. The reason why barley is barley is a main ingredient of beer And so it was a food, but it was also a grain which, even till this day, can grow on soil that has a high salt content. Okay, Wheat wouldn't do it, Rye wouldn't do it, Oats wouldn't do it, but barley did it. So it was a very durable food. You know you could pay things with the barley, But Peter Zion talks a lot about this in his latest book. You know the end of the world is just just beginning. Yeah, And but anyway. But in the background, regardless of what you're using as a medium of exchange, people are looking for profit. Dean Jackson That's an interesting thing I've been loving. I've been calling the. You know what we've been playing as the cooperation game, you know that we've, since we banded together to say you go do the hunting and I'll be the gathering, we'll meet back at camp. you know that, that that level of collaboration, is that the core of it. But interesting, I mean. I love those kind of thoughts. So, even though no matter where the we kind of all the excitement and all the sort of game changer feeling is when all the attention at the spotlight goes on one particular element of it, you know, like every all eyes right now, of course, are on chat And that's where all the attention, the whole you know the flock has, you know, descended on on this. All the attention is on it And but I think it's really like that's one piece of the big thing I don't know where. You know it's hard to predict. Maybe I'm saying that maybe it's not hard to predict, but it feels uncertain how to, how to predict what the 25 year, you know path of AI and chat, and I think it's what that go, you know yeah, and you can. Dan Sullivan you can, you know, you can support your statement there by just going back to when the microchip was just being talked about in the early 70s, Maybe 75, there was a growing awareness of this thing which had been developing really since the Second World War. Yeah, you know that there was a invention where you could process information on the invention And then, if you go forward, from 75 to 2000, you know 98 was the cell phone you know and and you you already had the internet by them and you had apps. You had apps by them. I think those would have been hard to predict in 1975. Dean Jackson Absolutely. Yeah, i mean, you know where you went from there. If you look at the evolution that was calculators and and digital watch, i'm not saying that there wasn't someone. Dan Sullivan I'm not saying there, but there wasn't someone or a number of people who weren't predicting. I'm just saying it was making no real impact. Dean Jackson Yeah right. Dan Sullivan Exactly General public's point of view, you know and now, you know, but even here with the chat, gpt and the other AI applications, because there's really hundreds of these out there that are very specific uses- of AI. And that people say well, the whole world knows about it. And I said I'll eat billion. I'll eat billion. Dean Jackson What about? Dan Sullivan the three. What about the three million who don't don't really have steady, reliable electricity, you know? Dean Jackson you think they're? Dan Sullivan chatting. You think they're chatting about it. You know you think they're talking about this. And I said and the other thing is that virtually all the news about this and the development and the investment, you know, the explosion of investment that's going into these It's, it's all in the English language. You know, i don't think for example, i just came back from the UK and very little awareness is not being written up in London as a boatload of different kinds of newspapers. I'm seeing anything about AI, you know, and even our day with strategic coach clients last Thursday in London. They brought it up because Evan Ryan was there, so I had him talk about this And he said a whole bunch of people got, came up and said boy, you know, this is taking me kind of by surprise. These are speaking people. So my sense is. You know that it's fairly, fairly specific. Let's say maybe 50 million, 50 million people who are probably English speaking Americans. English speaking Americans, you know, and they're. I don't see the Canadian government talking about it. You know, and you know I get the national every day than the national post And you know not much, talk about it, not much. You know few articles here, a few articles here. But if you go to the Wall Street Journal any day, you know which, you know there's probably 15 or 20 articles of one kind on it, yeah, yeah. Dean Jackson And you just see all the. Dan Sullivan So I think this is an interesting. I think this is profoundly unfair, mm, hmm. Dean Jackson What do you think? Well, what's the summary of of Evan's take on this Like, where's he uniquely thinking? Dan Sullivan Well, he said that the technology is meaningless unless you examine the teamwork that you want to improve. Dean Jackson Mm, hmm. Dan Sullivan He says just learning how to do chat, g, p, t without applying that to teamwork probably isn't going to get you anywhere. Dean Jackson Mm, hmm, yeah to a, as he did from the start. some examples of how it could be an exponential in teamwork. Dan Sullivan Well, again what we're, the way I understand it, starting because you know these are very, very high on the hierarchy decisions, you know so you know, I'm informed that a decision has been made. Dean Jackson I'm talking about my company Yeah yeah. Dan Sullivan Yeah, and I'm not joking. You know I'm not joking, because, no, i get it, but the you know the 12 hours have to be freed up because we want at least 80% of our team members to be on those calls. You know, so there's a schedule, there's a scheduling project that has to go. We have to find, you know, we have to find he's doing it on zoom. So it's not a question of his availability. I mean, he's the one who offered, you know, this. offered in the sense that he said would you pay for it? And we said, would you pay me for this? And we said, yeah, we really would. And but one of the big things is we're just going after what people are actually working on. So we're going to have sort of a little research project. It's kind of like in the beginning of the program we asked you to take a quarter you know a normal quarter, 13 weeks And just write down every activity that you do, personal or business. Okay, so we have an inventory and then we put it through a filter. where is this an activity where you're incompetent, or their activities here, where you're actually incompetent but you're kind of forced to do them just out of necessity, and then so incompetent because these aren't doing you any good and they're wearing you out and you're not getting any projectivity from it, but you're still doing it, yeah, and then. And then it'd be like Dean Jackson you know doing all the electrical and plumbing work in his house. You know, probably, probably, yeah, yeah. Or Dan Sullivan driving you know doing pickups and delivering. And then we get to competent where you're, you know your average. You know you're probably good as a lot of people, but it's a chore, you know. And energy you know it's an energy sucking chore. Then you get to excellence and that's where you have real skills. You're above. You know you're better than other people, but there's no spark for you. There's no spark for you, you know. And if you look to head five years and you were still doing just as much of this as you are now, even though you produce excellent. You produce excellent results that went, like you, up that and that. And then there's unique ability and this is the thing that just totally energized you. You can do it all day. At the end of the day. Right, you go eight, 10 hours and you've got more energy than when you started to the day and you're totally. You're so good at this. You don't understand why other people aren't. You know, you just do this and this and this. See how this fits together. You know, like that. And now, they don't see it at all. They don't see it at all. Right. And then the other thing is it's the most valuable thing that people want to pay you for when you're doing this mysterious, easy, easy thing. And so and so we're going to do the same thing with the AI project with Evan. We're going to get everybody to inventory. We're just going to mostly look at work, but we'll include, you know, outside of work and just say, and he's going to give us a series of categories, you know, where you just identify activities that are repetitious, they're always required and you always have to do them, but they're repetitious, and that if there was a machine teammate who could do this in a matter of seconds or minutes, where it takes you hours or days go after that and introduce the AI solution to this. So that would be one where AI is a teammate and the goal would be over six weeks to get you know, probably identify. 80% of of can quite quickly be taken care of by the AI teammate. Dean Jackson Oh, this was great. Dan Sullivan I mean, that's a really good way to think about it. No, i think we'll take a big productivity jump because we have we have a goal that we're at a certain number right now, you know, and it's it's not the highest revenues we've had That was in 2019, but it's a less than a million away. You know it's less than a million away. So and and so we're saying well, if we went 10 times with that, because we've gone 10 times in in 15 years, 15 years ago, when we were one tenth what we were last year one tenth of that So in 15 years we went 10 times And but do that without adding more than another 20 individuals to the payroll. Yeah, yeah. Dean Jackson That's exciting Yeah. Dan Sullivan Yeah, And then you'll learn all sorts of things how work gets set up, how, you know, how does, how does this work come into existence? anyway, you know, and and you start developing standards that you know we really shouldn't be, even bringing work like this into the company. Dean Jackson You know it can be done outside Someone's talking about it way of of thinking. he attached their team, his whole team, with and gave them bonuses for figuring out how to replace themselves with AI and and the new tools, kind of thing. Dan Sullivan Yeah, i think the the languaging is really important. You don't talk about replacing yourself. No, exactly, you're replacing an activity and making it automatic that you don't like doing and nobody really likes doing it. Yeah, and that wasn't. Dean Jackson I think I said it wrong. It's automate your, your, your role. Yeah, Because it's yeah, replacing yourself. So yeah, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like maybe that's the thing, It's not a multiply yourself, that's a better framing. Dan Sullivan Yeah, right, yeah, i think that, i think that AI, yeah, yeah, i mean, that's what all the scary movies are about Yeah. And and you know, and a lot of the predictions you know are about that. you know there aren't going to be this or aren't going to be that. And I and I've had occasion to bring up Cyrus McCormick with mentioning you as the thinker here, and I said you know, those 16 other people who now didn't have to do backbreaking work were now freed up to do more specialized work in a growing society. Dean Jackson And they were able to get back to you. Yeah. Dan Sullivan Yeah, so. so the delivery of the food which was required for the entire population from the you know the the harvesting wheat was simplified and made possible with just a farmer or a person on, you know, on the seat of the reaper, with the, you know, with the mule or with the work of 14 men. Dean Jackson Yeah, yeah. Dan Sullivan What was the actual number? was it 14? Yeah, 14 men. Dean Jackson One, yeah, one man with a reaper could do the work of 14 men. Dan Sullivan Yeah, see, yeah That's, that's an enormous savings, but those people were freed up, i mean yeah, not like you know, they were clutching onto that job dearly You know they wanted to take a job. They were taking our jobs, you know, and you know I was planning to do this every year for the next 30 years. You know, and and and you know is that that there's this you know the the thing, like humans aren't adaptable. You know there's a profound belief among people who think about these things from a theoretical standpoint, that, you know, if this happens, human beings won't be able to respond to it. You know, and I said, well history. History says you're not paying attention, people do. They immediately jump, you know, to some new. Dean Jackson That's an interesting framework to really think about. You know, certainly 25 years, you know the runway or whatever, but certainly in the next four years that's. I think that's why they really refer to. I think what Peter Diamandis kind of talked about is the near-term force, the able future, which is, i think it's much easier to make five-year guesses than that kind of thing. Dan Sullivan Yeah, but you know there's a surprising number of the predictions at A360 that were made at our first conference 2011,. that really aren't, you know, like you know VR for one thing is less. VR, you know, and you know it's almost like people are saying, no, i wasn't pushing that. You know I was not a member of the Communist Party. You know I mean it's almost like they're saying no, no, no, you know, it's everything like that. But I remember people standing up there and said you know, the first one's going to be right under Los Angeles. It's going to go from the northern to the south, it's going to go right from, you know, the airport right to the San Fernando Valley right. And then they ran into something called property rights. Right, right, Yeah, yeah and they thought, oh, the city will just override them. And I said well, you know, it's a constitutional issue. It wouldn't be decided in Los Angeles, it would be decided in Congress, you know or the Supreme Court. And you know. But people project a new thing and all is going to give way to it. It is so important And, but I said, wouldn't there be a big traffic jam right where you try to get on the tunnel and really being a traffic jam, you know. I said you know. Just because you can visualize something and you can see yourself taking advantage of it, doesn't mean that you know that Newton's third law will move aside for you. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Yeah, but the two that seem to have really really gone even further than was predicted were AI, which I think. I think I was surprised by the chat GTT thing because I didn't know there was something that could be that easy for individuals. I knew that you know large organizations were using it and everything else, but that kind of surprised me. And the other thing is regenerative medicine and you know, using our own stem cells to repair things and to cure things and turning skin cells into any other kind of cell. That to me That's like cracking. That's, like you know, being able to capture and channel and direct electricity. Dean Jackson That seems to me to be a major, really major major thing. But there's the AI combined with that. Dan Sullivan Yeah, ai, that translated where you. They can literally take the cell signals, you know, the signals from the body. They can actually, because we have an electric impulse and they can read. They can duplicate this electronically and then test those electronic signals as if they were actually cells in the body. And they can do 10,000 tests in a time that a manual test takes. Dean Jackson And. Dan Sullivan I said no, that's, that's super. Dean Jackson And I think that's what's going to come like. I think we're going to end up in a sent power situation, like the chef masters, in that the biggest winners of the AI kind of advanced or not the one it's not going to be just AI on its own, it's going to be AI paired with a, you know, with an individual. It's a top flight individual powered with AI that's going to make the biggest impact Absolutely. Dan Sullivan Yeah, it's like. my next quarterly book is called training, training technology like a good dog And I say, you know, a tough guy with a tough dog will beat another tough guy who doesn't have a dog, Exactly and rather than just, or just the dog alone, you know? yeah, that's true, and the dog will be the one who announces the fight. Dean Jackson That's so funny. Yeah, I realized we left last week on a bit of a cliffhanger with the working genius thing. I wondered if you had been able to do your working genius. Dan Sullivan Yeah, it's really good. It put me in a bind because I have other people sign me. I want to, and Patrick Lindsay only you know. I mean he's very well read around our office regarding teamwork and everything like that. So I know who it is now. Yeah, i was going to do it that night, but Becca, who does all this stuff for me, said that she would sign me on when we got back from London. She was busy with a lot of things, and so it's a project. It's a project that will be done this week. But you know, I found the website. It seems like another filter that we can use for, along with Colby and the Strength Finder and Print. Dean Jackson Oh, i think it's fantastic in that. Yeah, i would put it in. I would put it right up there with Colby in terms like Colby is most what is very useful and I think that if I were to rank the four of them. I would put that working genius right up there at the top. More useful than just Strength Finder and more useful than Print. Yeah, they're all a big. I don't think you can ever have too much self-awareness, but I think having the you know, i think usable team dynamic awareness is great. James Drage sent me over. I had my whole team do it and he sent me a. You know, they have charts that show where your team genius is in terms of which team members like. If you're looking to put together a project and you need a, i guess the ideal is that you have someone in each of the components the wonder, invention, the discernment, galvanizing, enablement and tenacity that you've got someone who's a genius at that involved in that process. Yeah, you know the head of that division of it. So it's really neat to see the dynamics of how people can work together, you know. Dan Sullivan Yeah. Dean Jackson Yeah. Dan Sullivan Well, anyway, yeah, So anyway, work proceeds. you know, fly me. you know, 3,000 miles away, and my priority list for the day changes. I got it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, yeah. London is the greatest walking city that I've ever. Dean Jackson Oh man, you know, one of my favorite memories is our that when we ended up in London at the same time and we spent hours wandering around, Yeah we took that long hike out to that bookstore. Dan Sullivan Yeah, And then we, and then we made our way back to a favorite restaurant of ours one. Dean Jackson Greek street. Right And then yeah, that London's perfect for that. I mean, that was yeah it was. It was dry and sunny kind of the poolside but sunny but there was no rain during the walk. The walk reaches there. Dan Sullivan Yeah. Dean Jackson Yeah. Dan Sullivan But anyway, i'm going to inquire about that And I've got a real project now with that, in advance of starting the AI Azure teammate program. We should have all the staff actually do this working genius exercise. Dean Jackson I think that would be a nice filter And I wonder that's a really interesting thing is that's a nice framework to think how can, how can AI help with? Dan Sullivan That's how we've pre-app your working genius. Yeah right, exactly. Dean Jackson That's an interesting that's a really interesting combinator. It's a triple play. Your unique ability Well, you can work at AI and working genius. Dan Sullivan Yeah, it's kind of funny. You could add the triple play to it. So we got three things. You got the AI as a teammate, working genius and the triple play. I think that would be a nice trifecta. Dean Jackson Yeah, wow, that's all thinking about your thinking. I came up with a new term, dan. I'll plant the seed because I know we're coming up at the top of the hour here. It went so fast this time It always does, but this one's particular, you know, we've been talking about and I've been thinking about the mainland and the land here, but what I've really discovered is I was rereading thinking about your thinking, the small book. We recently had our flood and all the that required us moving things around, and I found a copy of my your small book, the thinking about your thinking. I thought that you know there's a third element of this that I've been calling Dean Blan dia, which is the inner world of thinking about my thinking and spending time there as a destination. And something you said, you know you said it kind of a couple of years ago, whenever you went on, you know, going off TV and stuff, the same thing stuck out at me. I don't know exactly how you said it, but you basically said I realized that what's going on in my own mind is far more interesting and valuable than anything going on in that, on that screen, in that box. Dan Sullivan Yeah. Dean Jackson And how did you articulate? What was the the thought behind that? Because that that it stuck with me for all these years when you said that, yeah, Well, i think you do that too. Dan Sullivan I mean that that both of us, fairly young and like I think, developed the ability to do that, amuse ourselves and entertain ourselves and educate ourselves without needing needing too much outside help and that, and you know, and We've stuck with that a lot. You know way, way beyond what Most people would say. Well, i used to have Interesting times when I when I had time you know where I would just think about things and everything else. Yeah, of course you know I had to go to school and then I had to go out and get a job Right we started, started to pay him and of course I haven't done any kind of thinking like that and I said, yeah, you know, i got you know on a path when I was, you know, somewhere around eight years old, where this was way more interesting. Than anything that I was encountering. The other thing I noticed is that I was interacting with adults and They didn't see how to do this. They didn't seem to do it because when I would bring up You know what was going on when they were eight years old and they were born 1910 or something, and I said wow, wow. And they said geez, i haven't thought about this, you know, it's I. He says here right me to think about think about things that I haven't thought about, and then afterwards They would comment to my mother When they matter her. You know, dan asked questions and they Makes me remember things that I haven't really remembered and I said well, you know, you know and I said hmm. If that had happened to me, I would have been thinking about it. I mean, if that was happening in the world, happening in the world at that time, boy. I all over it, you know and everything like that, and it struck me that people weren't really reflecting On how they were thinking about their experiences. They were affecting on the experience, but they weren't reflecting on how they were thinking about the experience. And so, and that didn't bother me, and because I always like having Secret, unfair advantages- Mm-hmm, i Love that. Dean Jackson I've been thinking you do the? oh, i really do. I've been monitoring and thinking now about You know, my my constant you're. My present thought is less screen time, more dean time. But that's really the thing is, the more I think about just even putting the screen down and just going inside and playing around in in Dean land is a. There's a lot more beneficial stuff going on in the land. Dan Sullivan Yeah, then The other you know, you know who we're really. The organization that was that we both had extensive experience with. That was really on to this way back, you know, 40-50 years ago and as the four seasons. So tell yeah, and they have a motto about their company that we Systematize the predictable, mm-hmm, and so that we can humanize the exceptional. Yeah, and That seems to describe a general principle that Would take advantage of any new technology which allowed you to systematize the predictable. You know, to free up people so that they could be Exceptionally human in any situation and I think that's what we want to do. I mean, i think that's a, that isn't just a Organizational strategy. I think that's That could be. You know, in the 21st century that could be a general human aspiration. You know, i want to get freed up from Doing machine-like work. Dean Jackson I don't want to do machine-like work, you know right. I don't want to. Dan Sullivan I don't want. I don't want to be given tasks where I'm expected to be machine-like I. I'm just not going for that anymore. Dean Jackson Right, i Love it. Yeah, well, i noticed, so I noticed. Next week is Says no Dan podcats on my calendar. Dan Sullivan That's right. Dean Jackson That's right because traveling, we're flying. Dan Sullivan We're flying on Sunday to Chicago. So okay, yeah, so we have. You know, we have the first in person a free zone that week, you know on Thursday, okay and, but we're flying in and we, you know, we Have to see the team and there's all sorts of things, and I have all sorts of. I guess yeah, but the but. The big thing is that The one thing that's not predictable is How people are going to think about the next 25 years. You know you know, predictable, because, right, you know each person's kind of responsible. or Using their own Brain to figure out things. Yeah, yeah and my sense is that Making predictions 25 years from now based on Present priorities and that, i think, doesn't give you much insight, mm-hmm. Dean Jackson I Think gives you directional, you know in some way. But but it's certain, i mean to know it gives you comfort when you start into look at well, what do we know that's going to be true 25 years from now. You know. Dan Sullivan That's really the thing, men are still going to be shaving that's exactly the warm Buffett model, right? Dean Jackson That's exactly yeah yeah, Yeah and yeah, and land things and. Dan Sullivan Yeah, yeah, people are still going to be eating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think yeah, yeah, well, i mean, there's definitely entertaining. Yeah, what do all people do, you know, around the planet? Well, not everybody shapes, you know. But right, yeah, so But, given the market that you're after is there, you know, we know. I do know alcohol is gonna play a big part of it. Now, they're direct, you know They may buddy, one of the signs that an ancient Gathering of humans was actually human is pottery. Dean Jackson So they'll find shards, pottery shards and when they examine the shards. Dan Sullivan You know what they always find on the shards alcohol, alcohol, great, exactly. Dean Jackson Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, why did humans Create pottery? Dan Sullivan well, yeah, you know, to have something they could make the alcohol and save the alcohol. They're their mushroom bruise, right Yeah. Dean Jackson Yeah, i mean, they just do this to have pottery they did it right they can. Dan Sullivan They could make drinking alcohol a little bit more predictable. All righty, okay, dan. Well, i will. I'll be here in two weeks, yeah, and we'll be back, yeah, in two weeks. Dean Jackson So we're going to see Jeff. Maddowff's play The end of men, the end of next week. Dan Sullivan So it opened with its first pre-order. So it's a pre-order. So it's a pre-order The end of men, the end of next week. So it opened with its first proof preview Last night. Dean Jackson So they have a week of previews. Dan Sullivan They have a week of previews where they're just, you know, making scene shifts and making adjustments to the script and you know, and everything else, and they have about five or six of these and People, they have audiences for them. The other thing is that audiences can come in and see everything else, and then they, then they have two last ones Where they're locked down Okay, so that all the changes have been made, and then the last two of the previews is It's locked down. Now, this is the play, and then they have opening night, which is the 14th, and we're going down the 16th. Dean Jackson Oh, very nice, that's so great. Yeah, all right. okay, i will talk to you soon. You.

‘The man in the bed looks at her. An enormous force seems to be pulling him into a world behind him, a world whose gates will soon be shut forever. She strokes his forehead gently.'In the eighty ninth episode of the Translated Chinese Fiction Podcast we are enfolding ourselves within Cocoon, the dreamlike and sometimes upsetting dual-bildungsroman and return to realism by post-85 author Zhang Yueran. Lost with me (yet ever so far away) somewhere in the low-hanging fog is the book's translator, Jeremy Tiang. All time is one time, you poor thing; so join us, that we may better navigate it.-// NEWS ITEMS //Meta news: We're not blocked!(?)A new Condor Heroes film is in the worksREAD: an excerpt of Cloudland by Wu Ming-yi-// WORD OF THE DAY //(茧 – jiǎn – cocoon)-// MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE //Scar literature - Cultural Revolution trauma writingChinese writers at the Iowa Writers' Workshop (a long history)The Crow Road & The Wasp Factory by Iain BanksThe Promise Bird by Zhang Yueran-// Handy TrChFic Links //Help Support TrChFic // Episode TranscriptsINSTAGRAM

Tonight, we'll read excerpts from “Meteorology, The Science of the Atmosphere” by meteorologist Charles Fitzhugh Talman, published in 1922. This episode first aired in April of 2021. The word meteorology, stemming from the Ancient Greek, means "the study of things high in the air." Though study of meteorology dates back millennia, significant progress did not occur until the 18th century. Prior attempts at prediction of weather depended on historical data. It was not until after the elucidation of the laws of physics and more particularly, the development of the computer, allowing for the automated solution of a great many equations that model the weather, in the latter half of the 20th century that significant breakthroughs in weather forecasting were achieved. — read by N — Support us: Listen ad-free on Patreon Get Snoozecast merch like cozy sweatshirts and accessories Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

New Brewmaster brings fresh take to Steady Hand's offeringsSteady Hand Beer Co. just celebrated their 4th anniversary with the first batch of brews from Andrew Wenk.Andrew joined the team in December after 5 years at Three Taverns Brewing.  We've enjoyed many of Andrew's brews during his time at 3T and didn't even know it.  Now, his brewing is in the spotlight at his new home.  He's revamped favorites like Lager, Cloudland Hazy IPA, and Flower Business DIPA as well as offering new beers like Nuts, Nuts, Nuts, and an Oreo Stout.Andrew shares how he got into brewing as a hobby and as a career, we talk about the controversial Tonka bean,  long boil stouts and the counterpoint of no boil beer.Other hot topics on deck include the annual Orval Day and some stats on SWD - Shopping While Drunk.If you haven't been to Steady Hand in a while stop in and try the new brews from Andrew soon.Thanks for listening to Beer Guys Radio! Your hosts are Tim Dennis and Brian Hewitt with producer Nate "No Mic Nate" Ellingson.Subscribe to Beer Guys Radio on your favorite app: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | RSSFollow Beer Guys Radio: Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | YouTube If you enjoy the show we'd appreciate your support on Patreon. Patrons get cool perks like early, commercial-free episodes, swag, access to our exclusive Discord server, and more!

The Atherton Tablelands were logged to within an inch of their lives in the 20th century.   Penny Van Oosterzee is trying to undo some of that damage by restoring a small patch called Thiaki. 

Is there a way to stop letting opportunities pass you by?In Episode #364 of 'Musings' Juan and I discuss: latinos rejecting what I've got to offer, how we neglect to consider what our future selves might want, creating opportunity by simply putting in a bit of effort, why missed ones from fear sting even more, the time I didn't speak to the 2nd most beautiful girl I've ever seen and why you are screwed no matter what.A huge thanks to The Tone Wrecker, Martin Lindeskog, iluvsushi, Dave Jones, Adam Curry and McIntosh for supporting the show! And an extra special thanks to the big baller PEEETTTTAAAARRRRR!!!!!As always, we hope you enjoy. Mere Mortals out!Timeline:(0:00) - I'm flustered!(0:42) - Today's topic brought to you Cloudland(5:54) - Lack of effort(11:25) - Or maybe miscalculation is the better term(17:09) - Baseline effort(22:06) - Lack of courage(31:11) - Boostagram Lounge(34:53) - PETAR'S BALLER BOOST(45:43) - Personal misses(55:08) - Opportunity cost & System 1 vs 2 thinking(1:00:48) - Summary(1:03:48) - Don't miss this V4V opportunityIntro Music by 'Signs Of New Growth':https://podcastindex.social/@SignsOfNewGrowthConnect with Mere Mortals:Website: https://www.meremortalspodcast.com/Discord: https://discord.gg/jjfq9eGReUInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/meremortalspodcast/

After the Civil War fine hotels were built all along the mountain range that separated North Carolina and Tennessee, each one grander than the last, a sort of Guilded Age race between the wealthy hotel operators flooding into the region. There were many of these fine hotels, from the Wonderland Hotel to Unaka Springs to the Cloudland Hotel. That last hotel had one advantage the others didn't. It sat high atop Roan Mountain, making that hotel the higher than any other hotel in the region, with a most spectacular view.Today we tell the story of the Cloudland Hotel.You can subscribe to the Stories podcast at Apple Podcasts, Spreaker, Audible, Spotify, Goodpods, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts...we will be there.Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, y'all!

Looking to unwind, relax, and enjoy not just a great glass of wine, but a gorgeous setting... enter Cloudland Vineyard & Winery!  Today we delve into the background and story that brought about one of the fastest growing secrets in our North Georgia area... you won't be disappointed at the wine, the story, or the business/life take-aways for anyone looking to start a business or chase a dream!

Joe Tacke is the owner and operator of Cloudland-Recording Studio in Fort Worth Texas. He is the bass guitarist for the local band "Mean Motor Scooter", guitarist for another local band "Uncle Toasty", and an audio engineer. Joe has been helping Fort Worth musicians create art for many years and has become an important part of the local music scene. It was an honor to have such a talented and motivated individual on the show. Thanks Joe ! Find "Mean Motor Scooter": https://open.spotify.com/artist/2YfpFIEkAgVdy3JC5d57F4 Find : "Uncle Toasty": https://linktr.ee/uncletoasty?utm_source=linktree_profile_share

There are so many good things that come out of the FFA, they are hard to count and definitely too numerous to list in one podcast post.  So, in today's post I will focus on the SAE grants that are available to students.  I judged applications for these grants for a number of years, and I can tell you that there is a lot of talent out there.  I can also tell you that there are a lot of students not attempting to receive this free money.  This is precisely why I admire the students that do pursue these grants so much.  It demonstrates that they and their FFA advisors are very forward thinking. Charleigh Dugger is one of these forward thinking students.  She is just finishing up her sophomore year of high school, but she has already applied for and received a $1,000 SAE grant provided by AmerisourceBergen.  Charleigh is using this money to expand her goat herd, built winter shelter for them and start a cattle herd of Scottish Highlander cows for herself.  She is hoping that this will propel her towards her dream of working with animals as a career.

Welcome to the Lace Up and Run Podcast. We believe in a fun and active lifestyle with a primary focus on running and hiking. There is a supply of bourbon in the podcast studio so there is pretty much a guarantee there might be some of Kentucky's finest consumed during the show.Love having Morgan Davis on the show. There is always so much running information to uncover, but not enough time to get to it all. Morgan talks about her experience at the No Business 100 in the Big South Fork Recreation Area. Despite the technical terrain and over 14,500 feet of gain, she finished 5th overall female. Morgan ran the Cloudland Canyon 50K two months after No Business. The race is held in Georgia and despite navigating 4,500 feet of gain, she accomplished a 8th overall female finish.Morgan and I went back a few years and talked about her experience at the Barkley Fall Classic at the famed Frozen Head State Park. Morgan will be tackling the very difficult Pinhoti 100 in November. "Only recommended for very experienced adventurers" is all that needs to be said.  What powers Morgan through these ultra races?  My guess is it must be the Fireball!Website: runtosucceedsports.comFacebook: @runtosucceedInstagram: @runtosucceed

Lars Danielsson is a stalwart of the Swedish jazz scene, capturing the very best of Nordic jazz and beyond in his compositions. The double bassist and cellist-he's equally prodigious on both instruments-has released albums for the European label ACT music for over a decade and his latest offering “Cloudland” transported me beyond the confines of, well my home. Thank you, COVID. The calibre of his bandmates past and present-Dave Liebman, Bobo Stenson, Nils Landgren, Youn sun Nah, Tigran Hamasyan- tells you how highly regarded Lars is. We talked about his Swedish and musical heritage, his work with vocalist Cæcilie Norby, and his new instrument-a hybrid double bass-cello. Show Notes: Tracks played: -Vildmark -Cloudland -Desert of Catanga -The Fifth Grade -River of Little -Africa Cloudland was released in May 2021 on ACT Music Theme music by The Respect Sextet Follow The Jazz Session on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook Subscribe to The Jazz Session's YouTube Channel Support The Jazz Session by becoming a member at Patreon. For $5 a month you'll get a weekly bonus episode called Track of the Week, plus early access to every show. For $10 a month you get all that plus an extra monthly bonus episode of “The Insider”, a spin-off interview series where Nicky chats to jazz industry insiders (broadcasters, artist agents, label heads, journalists) about the nuts and bolts of the business.

Lars Danielsson is a stalwart of the Swedish jazz scene, capturing the very best of Nordic jazz and beyond in his compositions. The double bassist and cellist-he's equally prodigious on both instruments-has released albums for the European label ACT music for over a decade and his latest offering “Cloudland” transported me beyond the confines of, well my home. Thank you, COVID. The calibre of his bandmates past and present-Dave Liebman, Bobo Stenson, Nils Landgren, Youn sun Nah, Tigran Hamasyan- tells you how highly regarded Lars is. We talked about his Swedish and musical heritage, his work with vocalist Cæcilie Norby, and his new instrument-a hybrid double bass-cello. Show Notes: Tracks played: -Vildmark -Cloudland -Desert of Catanga -The Fifth Grade -River of Little -Africa Cloudland was released in May 2021 on ACT Music Theme music by The Respect Sextet Follow The Jazz Session on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook Subscribe to The Jazz Session's YouTube Channel Support The Jazz Session by becoming a member at Patreon. For $5 a month you'll get a weekly bonus episode called Track of the Week, plus early access to every show. For $10 a month you get all that plus an extra monthly bonus episode of “The Insider”, a spin-off interview series where Nicky chats to jazz industry insiders (broadcasters, artist agents, label heads, journalists) about the nuts and bolts of the business.

In this episode, we talk a bit about time from the perspective of a child. For children, time seems to work differently than for adults. Perhaps it is because it stretches out so far ahead of them or perhaps it is for another reason altogether, but children seem able to stop and enjoy moments without feeling the need to plan or rush about on a schedule. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

We're back for another storytime with Sophie! This time, I explore the deeply true and profound themes found across all seven books of Harry Potter. We'll look at how Rowling deals with death, love, sacrifice, fate, and more...and ultimately, I think, we'll discover that Harry Potter resonates with our hearts because it reflects the truth of our own story...the story of our whole world. 10/10 an incredible series! Music is "Where We Meet" by CLOUDLAND.

In this episode, we talk about mystery. Mystery has been something we, as a culture, have shied away from since the Enlightenment. However, mystery in the world is unavoidable. We simply can't understand everything. We argue that it's worthwhile and good to embrace the mystery around us, and rest in our trust of the Lord, who stands above and outside of the mystery. Children seem often to have an easier time rejoicing in mystery and pursuing a joyous curiosity. We want to approach the world in the same way. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about friendship! We ask why friendship exists and is a good thing, what true friendship looks like (especially through the eyes of a child), and how friendship is intricately tied to hope. Friendship isn't easy, but it's a beautiful and incredible gift that floods our life with value, purpose, challenge, joy, and hope! Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about imagination. What is it? Why is it so important? How is it related to hope? If we struggle to imagine, how can we learn to imagine again? We know that children generally seem to have no lack of imagination, but adults often struggle to imagine. We, however, believe imagination is a crucial for a hopeful life. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about nature and hope. Nature is a beautiful and wondrous thing, and it points us back in joy and delight to the Creator. The flowers, plants, streams, and mountains all praise their Maker with their own joyous song, and that, we believe, gives us hope as well. Ultimately, looking at nature through the eyes of a child is to delight in it, get dirty in it, and embark on an adventure to explore it to its fullest. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this first story-focused bonus episode, Sophie discusses "The Ickabog" by J. K. Rowling. "The Ickabog" is a deeply profound fairy tale that points to the power of false narratives (PR gone wrong!) and their far-reaching and devastating consequences. But, even as the story dives into the very depths of evil, it provides a hopeful answer in the end. Just like in the book of Proverbs, the wicked fall into the very traps that they set for others. A 10/10 good book recommendation. Music is "Where We Meet" by CLOUDLAND.

We talk about hope a lot here, especially when it comes to the hope we have in the resurrection. But, we wanted to pause and talk about what genuine hope looks like, not just for the future, but in the here and now. Living a life of hope means living a life of action. It doesn't mean we twiddle our thumbs just wishing for things to get better...it means we put our faith and trust in our King and do something. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we explore what it looks like to live a life of childlike wonder. We delve into what wonder is, how we cultivate it, and why it's so crucial for a hope-filled life. This world and everything in it (including our very lives) are gifts from God. When we live out of a mindset then of abundance and not scarcity, we can't help but wonder at all the mystery and beauty around us. How can we not wonder then at God himself? We believe that living a life of wonder is intricately tied with having hope in every moment. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about what it means to be new. Our culture in general is obsessed with the new year, as if a new number on the calendar will change everything. We place our hope in fulfilling our new year's resolutions and end up trying to find our identity in how we can improve ourselves. But this effort is hopeless. New years don't magically change everything. New Year's resolution usually fall by the wayside in just a few short weeks. We can never make ourselves perfect. But God. Our hope rest in the fact that Jesus makes us new. Our identity is found in the truth that we are God's children, and that is enough. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about remembering and forgetting. We often find ourselves discouraged or fearful, even though we're in the hands of the living God, the Creator of everything. Why then do we lose hope? We believe it is because we, like the Israelites before us, forget about God. We forget about who He is and what He has done. We want to find hope by reminding ourselves of God's nature and his many great and glorious deeds that have spanned from the beginning of it all to this very moment in each of our individual lives. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk all about gratitude. What is the difference between it and thankfulness? Why ought we to have gratitude? Where does it come from? To whom ought we to be grateful? Why? And ultimately, how does this affect our lives? The Lord didn't have to create this world, but He did. He didn't have to make beautiful flowers or stunning mountains, but He did. He didn't have to make loving dogs or (for you cat people) cats. He didn't have to create us, but He did. He didn't have to save us, but He did. He didn't have to promise us a New Earth and a new life and a new body with him, but He did. Our hope is closely tied to our gratitude for everything (big and small) the Lord has done and continues to do for us on a daily basis and for all of eternity. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about the differences between disappointment and discouragement, namely, how disappointment is at times inevitable, but discouragement is always a choice. We discuss proper responses to disappointment and ways to avoid becoming discouraged and bitter. Above all, we can find hope in the fact that Jesus will never let us down for he is always better. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

In this episode, we talk about the power of story to reach into our hearts and radically change us, for good or for evil. We talk about how they can encourage us and give us hope, or how they can leave us feeling empty and hopeless. All good stories in some way tell the truth about the world, but there are countless stories that convince us to believe a lie. We, as believers, want to fill ourselves with stories that tell the truth and fuel our hope. The character of Aslan in C. S. Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" is one such example of this and has been a pivotal story in the life of Sophie. Our goal at Tikvah is to find hope by exploring the Lord's heart for his people and his world. New episodes are posted biweekly on Sundays at 2 p.m. Be sure to follow along and reach out to us with your own thoughts, comments, and ideas! Follow us @tikvahpodcast Music is “Welcome Home” by CLOUDLAND

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