Podcast appearances and mentions of Sarah Jane

If you're building something no one understands yet, this episode will give you the confidence to keep going! Dr. Sarah Jane didn't just start a business, she created a whole new healing modality: Spinal Energetics™. In today's episode, she shares what it really felt like to go viral and how she stayed grounded through the backlash, true to her mission in the face of criticism, chronic pain, and massive visibility. We chat about: How Spinal Energetics™ was born from lived experience with chronic painWhat it really feels like to go viral and how to deal with criticismThe mindset shifts that helped her stay anchored in her truthWhy creating something no one understands (yet) is worth itHow Sarah balances massive impact with staying aligned to her missionA bold reminder that being “too different” is actually your giftSo if you've ever felt too different, too early, or too misunderstood in your mission, this episode is for you! CONNECT WITH DR. SARAH JANE:Connect with Dr. Sarah Jane @drsarahjanechiro on InstagramCONNECT WITH ME:Join 12-month UNSTOPPABLE MASTERMIND Download your 30-day Millionaire Mindset audio trainingCheck out my FREE ResourcesOrder my book “Unstoppable Success” on AmazonApply for 1:1 Business CoachingSend me a DM on Instagram

Aujourd'hui, nous abordons le thème de  la dépendance affective.Pourquoi reste-t-on dans une relation qui nous fait du mal ? Pourquoi a-t-on tant de mal à "lâcher" l'autre, même quand tout indique que c'est la meilleure chose à faire ?Nous avons accueilli Aurore Bevalot Psychologue et Coach laquelle va échanger sur le sujet avec Audrey Quelques mots sur Aurore qui exerce depuis plus de 10 ans, et à mis au point une méthode d'accompagnement unique, mêlant la psychologie et le coaching pour travailler à la fois sur le pourquoi et le comment.Sur sa chaine you tube  L'Aparté Psy : Aurore partage les différents concepts de la psychologie.Notre invité Aurore Bevalot Website Accueil - Aurore Bévalot Chaine youtube https://www.youtube.com/@lapartepsyDéfinition de la dépendance affective ? (2.30)Est-ce un phénomène courant dans les relations de couple, et plus encore lors des séparations ? (3.10)D'où vient généralement la dépendance affective ? Est-ce souvent lié à l'enfance ou à des expériences de vie ? (4.45)Peut-on en être conscient soi-même ou est-ce souvent identifié par l'entourage ou les professionnels ? (6.40) Quels sont les signes concrets qui peuvent indiquer qu'une personne souffre de dépendance affective ? (8.00)Comment la dépendance affective complique-t-elle une séparation ou un divorce ? (9.40)Quels comportements typiques voyez-vous chez les personnes dépendantes affectivement pendant une rupture ? (13.00)Est-ce que cette dépendance peut rendre difficile la prise de décision ou la négociation pendant un divorce ? (14.00)Comment cela peut-il impacter les enfants s'il y en a ? (22.48)Quels types de thérapies ou d'approches sont utiles pour sortir de la dépendance affective ? (26.30)Quels premiers pas une personne peut-elle faire seule pour commencer à se détacher affectivement ? (28. 40)Comment prévenir la dépendance affective dans une future relation ? (33.15)Que diriez-vous à quelqu'un qui se reconnaît dans cette description et qui se sent perdu ou honteux ? (36.35)Quels livres, podcasts ou ressources recommandez-vous pour mieux comprendre et s'en sortir ? (40.20)Livres : le pouvoir du moment présent , Eckhart TolleAttaché, Rachel, A. Levine R. HellerLes 5 blessures qui empêchent d'être soi-même,  Lise BourbeauVos hôtes : AUDREY ZEITOUN est coach de vie spécialisée en relations de couple et divorce, française basée à Londres, travaillant avec des clients anglophones et francophones dans le monde entier. Audrey dispose d'une formation approfondie accréditée par la Fédération Internationale de Coaching. Elle propose des consultations en visio en ligne ou en personne à Chiswick et au Medicare Français à Londres. Allez sur son site http://www.audreyzcoaching.com  pour lire ses derniers blogs et actualités. Suivez la sur le réseaux sociaux: FB, Linkedin, Instagram and YoutubeSARAH-JANE TASTEYRE est Médiatrice familiale et avocate de la famille internationale au Barreau de Paris, formée aux modes alternatifs de résolution des conflits, basée à Leeds (Royaume Uni), après avoir vécu à Hong Kong et à Tokyo. En plus de traiter des questions de droit de la famille internationale, Sarah-Jane assiste les clients dans la planification successorale internationale, et plus particulièrement dans la mise en place de testaments, ainsi que dans les dossiers de successions internationales.Contact email sjt@tasteyrefamilylaw.co.uk  ou whatsapp : +852 5239 2813 (Hong Kong) +44 07494017055 (UK)⁠https://linktr.ee/tasteyrefamilylawPremier contact pour en savoir plus sur la médiation 15 minutes gratuit https://calendly.com/sarahjanefamilylawyer/initial-meeting-family-mediation-rdv-initial 

Hello beautiful friends!This week Sarah Jane covers the case of the infamous Northern Bank Robbery. On the 20th of December 2004 £26.5 million pounds was stolen from the headquarters of the Northern Bank in Belfast. To this day there have been no convictions for the robbery and it remains a mysteryWho did it? We don't know (yes we do) (allegedly)We hope you're all looking after yourselvesAs ALWAYS it's FREE PALESTINECase begins at 32:11Our live show is happening on July 24th in The Laughter Lounge and if you would like to come you can buy a ticket here

In this On Location episode during OWASP AppSec Global 2025 in Barcelona, Sarah-Jane Madden brings a unique lens to application security, shaped by her journey from developer to security leader and CSO. Speaking at OWASP AppSec Global, she tackles one of today's most pressing concerns: how AI is reshaping software engineering—and how we must respond without compromising core values like quality and security.Madden emphasizes that AI is only the latest in a series of major disruptions, comparing it to shifts like remote work triggered by COVID. Her message is clear: organizations must prepare for continuous change, not just chase the current trend. That means prioritizing adaptability and ensuring critical practices like application security are not sacrificed in the rush to speed up delivery.She makes the case for a layered, iterative approach to development—rejecting the outdated linear mindset. Developers, she argues, should leverage AI as an accelerator, not a replacement. Think of AI as your digital intern: handling the drudgery, automating boilerplate code, and even applying internal security standards to code before it reaches human hands. This frees developers to focus on creative problem-solving and thoughtful architecture.However, Madden cautions against blind enthusiasm. While experimentation is healthy, organizations must be discerning about outcomes. Speed is meaningless without quality, and quality includes security. She calls on developers to advocate for high standards and reminds business leaders not to fall for the allure of shortcut statistics or flashy claims that promise results without skilled labor. Her analogy of microwave dinners vs. proper cuisine illustrates the risk of prioritizing convenience over substance—especially in complex problem-solving environments.For line-of-business leaders, Madden urges realistic expectations. AI can enhance productivity, but it doesn't eliminate the need for thoughtful development. Ultimately, customers will notice if quality drops, and reputational damage is hard to undo.In closing, Madden celebrates OWASP as more than an organization—it's a source of support, camaraderie, and genuine community for those working to build secure, reliable systems. Her message? Embrace change, use tools wisely, protect your standards, and never forget the human side of engineering.GUEST: Sarah-Jane Madden | Global Director of Cyber Defense at Fortive | https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahjanemadden/HOST: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | https://www.seanmartin.comSPONSORSManicode Security: https://itspm.ag/manicode-security-7q8iRESOURCESLearn more and catch more stories from OWASP AppSec Global 2025 Barcelona coverage: https://www.itspmagazine.com/owasp-global-appsec-barcelona-2025-application-security-event-coverage-in-catalunya-spainCatch all of our event coverage: https://www.itspmagazine.com/technology-and-cybersecurity-conference-coverageWant to tell your Brand Story Briefing as part of our event coverage? Learn More

“I had to unlearn the industry to remember my soul.” That's the heartbeat of this Detroit is Different episode featuring Sarah Jane Mark—a fiber artist, educator, and spiritual architect of community healing. In this conversation, Sarah Jane shares her journey from the fast-paced fashion world of Los Angeles to the soulful streets of Detroit, where she co-founded Neighborhood Art School and Selah House with her husband, Billy Mark. She delves into how her experiences in artist residencies and spiritual communities have shaped her approach to sustainable fashion and community engagement. Listeners will be inspired by her commitment to creating spaces that nurture creativity, spirituality, and communal living. Join us as we explore the transformative power of art, faith, and community in Sarah Jane's life and work. Detroit is Different is a podcast hosted by Khary Frazier covering people adding to the culture of an American Classic city. Visit www.detroitisdifferent.com to hear, see and experience more of what makes Detroit different. Follow, like, share, and subscribe to the Podcast on iTunes, Google Play, and Sticher. Comment, suggest and connect with the podcast by emailing info@detroitisdifferent.com

In this episode, I sit down with the incredible Sarah Jane Cairo, founder of Spinal Energetics, for a powerful conversation that goes far beyond the modality itself.We explore the real behind-the-scenes of building a global brand: from growing a team and scaling a vision, to navigating visibility and the emotional toll of becoming the face of a movement.Sarah opens up about the personal cost of rapid growth, the systems and structures that support sustainable success, and what it really means to lead a business rooted in purpose. We also dive into the tension between building a personal brand vs. a company brand, and how she's handled criticism, public attention, and staying true to her values along the way.This is an honest, inspiring, and deeply human look at what it actually takes to grow something world-changing and still stay grounded in who you are.For more on Sarah and her work check out Spinal Energetics or follow her on instagram here.Pre-order my new book Find Your Flow and get a special pre-order discount HERE: booktopia.kh4ffx.net/3eKYRr Thanks for supporting The Flow Lane with Emma MaidmentIf you like the show be sure to leave us a 5 star rating and review. Share this episode on your social media stories and be sure to tag @emmamaidment_ and @flowstatescollective If you'd like to suggest a guest, sponsor the show or send some feedback email me at emma@emmamaidment.com Flow on friends, Em x

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In de Nacht van Caribisch Netwerk sprak Guilliano Payne met zangeres Sarah-Jane over ''4 The Culture'', waarmee zij volgende week en in september in Carré staat. Met 4 The Culture zet zij zich in voor het behouden, ontwikkelen en overdragen van de Afro-Surinaamse muziekstijl kawina. Die verdient volgens haar meer erkenning. Ook spraken ze over het opgroeien zonder vader waar ze de voorstelling ''Vaderziel Alleen'' over maakte. Ook het belang van representatie passeerde de revue. Zij mag binnenkort Prinses Arabella vertolken, in een musical, die draait om een zwarte prinses. 

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Dans cet épisode nous parlons d'un sujet qui nous concerne toutes et tous, le rangement et l'organisation de son lieu de vie. Quand la vie fait que l'on se retrouve débordé, incapable de commencer car il y a trop à faire, notre invitée Isabelle Lamy est là à la rescousse! Isabelle est home organiser à Londres et fondatrice de IDea for your space, entreprise qu'elle a lancée en 2014. Depuis plus de dix ans, elle accompagne ses clients – des parents débordés aux personnes en pleine évolution personnelle ou familiale – pour les aider à franchir le pas du tri et de l'organisation de leur intérieur. Avec empathie, méthode et accompagnement personnalisé, Isabelle transforme non seulement les espaces, mais aussi le quotidien de ses clients. Elle les aide à retrouver de la clarté, de la confiance en soi et un véritable bien-être grâce à un intérieur en harmonie avec leurs attentes. Isabelle est aussi une experte des solutions IKEA et l'un des visages du nouveau flagship IKEA sur Oxford Street.Notre invité Isabelle LamyContact : isabelle@ideaforyourspace.co.uk Website Home - IdeaForYourSpacePhone : 0750 3025 784InstagramIntroduction (3.00) Définition du Home organiser ? (5.45)Que conseilles tu avant de se lancer dans le rangement ? (9.35)Le bénéfice  émotionnel à faire du tri (13.35)Comment peux tu aider des personnes qui passent par un divorce une séparation ? (16.20) Comment travailles tu ? (21.10) Accessoires : les Must have (26.00) Quels sont tes prix ? (30.00)Vos hôtes : AUDREY ZEITOUN est coach de vie spécialisée en relations de couple et divorce, française basée à Londres, travaillant avec des clients anglophones et francophones dans le monde entier. Audrey dispose d'une formation approfondie accréditée par la Fédération Internationale de Coaching. Elle propose des consultations en visio en ligne, au Medicare Français à Londres et aux Greenhouse Therapy Rooms à Chiswick.  Allez sur son site http://www.audreyzcoaching.com  pour lire ses derniers blogs et actualités. Suivez la sur le réseaux sociaux:: FB, Linkedin, Instagram and YoutubeSARAH-JANE TASTEYRE est Médiatrice familiale et avocate de la famille internationale au Barreau de Paris, formée aux modes alternatifs de résolution des conflits, basée à Leeds (Royaume Uni), après avoir vécu à Hong Kong et à Tokyo. En plus de traiter des questions de droit de la famille internationale, Sarah-Jane assiste les clients dans la planification successorale internationale, et plus particulièrement dans la mise en place de testaments, ainsi que dans les dossiers de successions internationales.Contact email sjt@tasteyrefamilylaw.co.uk  ou whatsapp : +852 5239 2813 (Hong Kong) +44 07494017055 (UK)⁠https://linktr.ee/tasteyrefamilylawPremier contact pour en savoir plus sur la médiation 15 minutes gratuit https://calendly.com/sarahjanefamilylawyer/initial-meeting-family-mediation-rdv-initial 

New Is Now - Sarah-Jane Roberts by Equippers Church Essex

Doorkeeper - Psalm 84 - Sarah Jane - 6th May 2025(9:00) by Christ Church Winchester

Had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with Dr Sarah Jane Perri—founder of "Spinal Energetics". She's just an all-round legend. We talked about the real side of building something massive, and what it's like being a woman leading a powerful movement in a world that still doesn't always get it.All the highs, the heavy bits, the weird moments, and the stuff that usually stays behind closed doors gets some airtime, as well as success, burnout, relationships, self-intimacy, and the shadowy side of the spiritual scene.It's honest, open, and super grounded. You'll love this one!!!You can catch her at https://www.instagram.com/drsarahjanechiro & https://www.instagram.com/spinalenergeticsYou can also hit me up at www.instagram.com/tommykende

Hello, and welcome to the podcast. In this episode we are exploring a really important topic: how family mediation can help protect and support children when their parents are separating.Separation is hard — for everyone. But for children, it can be confusing, scary, and emotionally overwhelming. In this episode, Sarah-Jane will be wearing her Family mediator hat and answering questions on how family mediation can make this transition easier for them — and how it can help parents work together, even during a difficult time, to put their children first.If you would like your children to understand what family mediation is, we will be doing a section just for them, talking to them at the end of the episode.Resources Websites & Online Resources

Bonjour et bienvenue sur le podcast. Dans cet épisode nous allons parler de la médiation familiale et de comment elle peut aider à protéger et soutenir les enfants lorsque leurs parents se séparent.
La séparation est difficile — pour tout le monde. Mais pour les enfants, cela peut être déroutant, effrayant et émotionnellement accablant.
Dans cet épisode, Sarah-Jane, intervient avec sa casquette de médiatrice familiale, sur la manière dont la médiation familiale peut rendre cette transition plus facile pour les enfants — et comment elle peut aider les parents à coopérer, même dans les moments difficiles, pour mettre leurs enfants au premier plan.Si vous souhaitez que vos enfants comprennent ce qu'est la médiation familiale, nous leur consacrerons une section spéciale à la fin de l'épisode.1. Intro :l'impact de la séparation sur les enfants. (2.24)2. Qu'est-ce qui rend la médiation familiale différente des autres modes de résolution des conflits ? (4.10)3. Comment la médiation familiale protège-t-elle les enfants ? (5.50)4. La voix de l'enfant entendue dans le cadre de la médiation (7.30)5. Les idées reçues sur la médiation familiale « La médiation ne marche que si on s'entend bien. » « Ce n'est pas juridiquement contraignant. » « C'est juste du compromis. » (10.15)6. Comment commencer la médiation familiale ? (16.50)7.

Muinteoir don dara bliain as a chéile ag an gcruinniú.

Youth's the Season -?: Programme Note from Director Sarah Jane Scaife by AbbeyTheatre

In this season 3 opener, Josh is joined by founder of Spinal Energetics, Dr Sarah Jan Perri and Yoga Teacher/Kirtanist Heidi Mellican to go behind the mask of somatic and sound healing.In this episode we explore:-What somatic and sound healing actually is.-What Spinal Energetics and Kirtan are.-The healing is a two way street, but ultimately we are responsible for our own healing.-The power of mantra and frequency.-How the Sanskrit language vibrates in the body and chakra system.-That energy is everywhere and everything whether we acknowledge it, believe it, can see it, or not.-Why the body so involuntarily shakes and moves during the non touch therapy of Spinal Energetics.-Entering into the quantum field during meditation and Spinal Energetics.-What the mantra AUM actually means.-The 4th state of consciousness where all sense of separateness disappears,-Heidi sings her favourite mantra for us.-Overcoming the inevitable haters.-Why so many ancient healing practices like breath-work, sound, somatics etc are resurfacing in the mainstream in this particular time in the world.-They both share the crucible crisis moments that led them not only to their own healing, but to becoming healers.-The importance of creating safe healing spaces that enable clients to fully surrender.-The power of Yin YogaKeep up to date with Dr Sarah Jane @drsarahjanechiro @spinalenergetics and Heidi @heidimellicanBe sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel to WATCH the full episode @gobehindthemaskFollow us on Instagram and TikTok @gobehindthemaskVisit www.gobehindthemask.com.au for more information and sign up to our ‘Weekly Wisdoms' to begin YOUR journey behind the mask. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of The Integrated Life Podcast, host Diana Romero welcomes her guest SaraJane Gates, founder of Project Heaven, author of Live Better and host of the new podcast Hunting Holiness. We dive deep into the transformative power of the Holy Spirit and how God's presence is active in our everyday lives. SaraJane shares her incredible journey—from unknowingly being protected by the Spirit in dangerous situations to fully experiencing His power and stepping into her purpose. We explore the importance of truly studying Scripture, recognizing God's intentionality, and understanding how He still works miracles today. Through personal stories, we discuss why testimonies are more than just stories—they're an invitation for God to “do it again.” If you've ever wondered how to see God moving in your life or how to embrace the fullness of the Holy Spirit, this episode will encourage and challenge you. Follow SaraJane: Instagram: legitsarajane YouTube: @‌huntingholiness Connect with Diana: integratedpurposemanagement.com Like us on Facebook Follow us on LinkedIn Quick Episode Summary: Diana Romero welcomes Sarah Jane Gates, founder of Project Heaven and host of the Hunting Holiness podcast. Sarah Jane shares her journey from striving in religion to experiencing transformation through the Holy Spirit. She explains how the Holy Spirit radically changed her life, igniting a passion for Scripture, spiritual gifts, and bold faith. Diana and Sarah Jane discuss their personal experiences with receiving the Holy Spirit and how it deepened their relationship with God. Sarah Jane shares how Project Heaven began—a ministry focused on equipping young adults (ages 15–25) with real faith, community, and spiritual training. She introduces Hunting Holiness as a podcast to highlight modern-day miracles, share real stories, and challenge shallow Christianity. Diana and Sarah Jane reflect on the power of personal testimonies and how God uses them to activate faith in others. They emphasize that walking with the Lord brings peace, purpose, and protection, even through loss and hardship. The episode ends with a call to embrace the Holy Spirit, share your story, and spread the hashtag #GodGetsMe to glorify God in everyday life.

Send us a textWelcome to Grounded, where women and men of all ages, nationalities, and backgrounds gather together with me, Dr. Barbara Morgan Gardner and my guests as we strive to build a bedrock understanding of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and become more like him. Today, join me and Sarah Jane Weaver as we discuss: The Gathering of Israel, Putting the World on Notice for Christ's Second Coming, and Spiritual Preparation.Weekly download to enhance your study of Come Follow Me: https://772819-4.myshopify.com/products/doctrine-and-covenants-29-learning-for-myself-weekly-study-guide?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=webGrounded Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thegroundedpodcast_/Grounded Podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheGroundedPodcast?mibextid=LQQJ4dBarbara Morgan Gardner Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbarbaramorgangardner/?hl=enBarbara Morgan Gardner Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/barbara.morgan.37051/(00:00) Introduction(6:51) The Gathering of Israel(35:48) Putting the World on Notice for Christ's Second Coming(46:10) Spiritual Preparation(1:00:12) What Have You Learned for Yourself?Support the show

Are you doing loads of pelvic floor work but seeing little or no results? If you're obsessing over reps, constantly squeezing, or chasing a "bigger lift," this episode is for you.Host Sarahjane West-Watson explores why less is more when it comes to pelvic floor health—and  how shifting your focus to quality over quantity can lead to better strength, function, and real, lasting results.

This episode, we discuss Doctor Who's very first attempt at a spin-off with the rather questionable K9 and Company: A Girl's Best Friend! It was certainly a wild ride watching this one, with plenty of witches and honking along the way…   Join us as we discuss THAT theme tune, whether K9 and Sarah Jane are actually a good pairing, whether K9 is put to good use, Brendan being put in a dress, how Simon Pegg clearly saw this story at some point, and why there are apparently so many covens of witches in rural England! We also take some strange influence from Sex and the City on how this story could actually be done well.   If you would like to watch along with us, you can find the this oddity available for streaming on Britbox in the USA (http://www.britbox.com) and BBC iPlayer in the UK (https://bbc.in/48GSaCB). If you're a little old fashioned and prefer physical media (like our very own Anthony), you can also find on the Doctor Who Season 18 Blu Ray box set from Amazon US (https://amzn.to/4fvAcqb) and Amazon UK (https://amzn.to/4etoACE)   Other media mentioned in this episode*: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia: Complete Series 1-15 (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4bRMqbB) The Avengers – Complete Collection (TV show) (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/3B828eR | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3B0ChoS) Sink or Swim: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4bNlrOl | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4hwmdR4) Tenko (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/44vCOzm | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3wtYY8D) Hart to Hart: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4iRGmCh | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4iMpoVO) Knight Rider: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4hvLYkr | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4iRSC5P) Hot Fuzz (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/2Uj9pZM | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3hHvhXw) Harry Potter: Complete 8-Film Collection (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/3SdAHd5 | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3oFjhZh) The Wicker Man (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4iR7Fg6 | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4j7uPir) Sex and the City: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4iKZgKX | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4iy9b76) The A Team: The Complete Collection (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/3iM3cPy | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3lY7ipI) Cheers: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/4iPcJBC | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/4iFuAuC) The X Files: The Complete Series (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/3oR88FY | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3BqRkZY) Nancy Drew Diaries: 90th Anniversary Edition, by Carolyn Keene (Amazon US: https://amzn.to/49dEH6a | Amazon UK: https://amzn.to/3B97wUW)   Finally, you can also follow us and interact with us on Facebook and Instagram. You can also e-mail us at watchers4d@gmail.com. If you're enjoying this podcast, please subscribe to the show, and leave us a rating or review.   *Support Watchers in the Fourth Dimension! We are an Amazon affiliate and earn a small commission from purchases through Amazon links. This goes towards the running costs of the podcast.

Hello friends!This week Sarah Jane covers the case of Kitty Carroll. Kitty was murdered in a horrific attack in 1983 in Drogheda. Her killer, Michael Murphy, would go on to kill again.Case begins at 30:09We would like to extend our sincerest sympathies to the family and friends of Kitty CarrollAs always it's Free PalestinePicture 1: Kitty CarrollEpisode is available on Go Loud and everywhere else you get your podcasts

In today's episode, I sit down with Dr. Sarah Jane Perri, an award-winning Chiropractor, Counsellor, and Energy Facilitator, and the founder of Spinal Energetics.Spinal Energetics™ has taken the wellness world by storm, with videos reaching 10 million views on social media and the phrase “Learn Spinal Energetics” racking up a staggering 2.4 billion views on TikTok.Dr. Sarah created this transformative energy healing modality during the pandemic, and now, she's in huge demand worldwide, helping people release trauma and reconnect with their bodies in profound ways.With 15 years of education and research, Dr. Sarah has dedicated her career to bridging the gap between science, holistic healing, and energy work. In this conversation, we explore:

In today's episode, I sit down with Dr. Sarah Jane Perri, an award-winning Chiropractor, Counsellor, and Energy Facilitator, and the founder of Spinal Energetics.Spinal Energetics™ has taken the wellness world by storm, with videos reaching 10 million views on social media and the phrase “Learn Spinal Energetics” racking up a staggering 2.4 billion views on TikTok.Dr. Sarah created this transformative energy healing modality during the pandemic, and now, she's in huge demand worldwide, helping people release trauma and reconnect with their bodies in profound ways.With 15 years of education and research, Dr. Sarah has dedicated her career to bridging the gap between science, holistic healing, and energy work. In this conversation, we explore:

Next up on our NewWho re-watch are arguably the two best episodes of series two. First is “School Reunion” where current companion Rose gets a ‘chip' on her shoulder when she and the Doctor bump into past companion Sarah Jane. Awkward... Then we travel to the 51st century where a bickering Rose and Mickey nearly get harvested for spare parts whilst the Doctor transports back to the 18th century to get his groove back with a French courtesan. This podcast episode is definitely brought to you by couples therapy.

This week, we grab a hanky and join the Fourth Doctor in saying goodbye to Sarah Jane as we wave through The Hand of Fear. Along the way, we consider Tom Baker's emotional availability, great Episode Ones, and Matt deploys an unfortunate turn of phrase.Watch this episode on YoutubeEmail usFind us on Bluesky & Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week I'm joined by self-confessed Sarah Jane aficionado, Amber, to discuss the fourth series of the CBBC spinoff.About Time: www.linktree.com/abouttimecast

Laura announces the DRI's first retreat in the home of dream incubation – Epidavros in Greece.  Twelve lucky people will join her and Sarah Janes from Dream Mysteries in May (see how to join the retreat link below*) for a full immersion in the ancient temple sleep practices for healing. Laura and Melinda run through the power of these ancient rituals before Laura interviews Sarah Janes about her fascinating work in this area.   Sarah Janes talks about how she became fascinated by the power of dreams during childhood and what led her from jettisoning her career as a US show promoter to become a specialist in ancient dream cults through the development of her work at Dream Mysteries.   Laura and Sarah discuss the beauty of Epidavros and how its magic is spell binding, especially wrapped around the myths and practices of the Greek healing God Asklepios.  Sarah Jane reveals how retreatants are often called by the God himself in dreams to come out to the sanctuary and how they find her online after such a dream. Laura discusses how the God turned up for her once in a spiritual workshop before she became a psychotherapist which led her to visit the site at Epidavros and, like Sarah Janes, the visit felt like a powerful ‘coming home'.   Sarah runs through what the retreatants will find at the temple and how the group will try out sleep hypnosis, purification practices, sound work and dream theatre work, in similar ways to the ancients who experienced dreaming there thousands of years ago.   The two dream researchers also look at a similar incubation project in a recreated oasis in the Egyptian desert and the links between the ancient Egyptian dream incubation practices with the cult of Asklepios in the Ancient Greek and Roman worlds.   *If you want to join them in May the Retreat Link is here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/divine-dreaming-retreat-in-greece-tickets-1236007895889?aff=oddtdtcreator   Your dreams are worth inquiring about too! Share a dream or a question via our website driccpe.org.uk or the social links below!   Let us know what you think and submit a dream for us to explore on the podcast!    Sarah Janes at:  Insta: @sarahjanesdreaming Themysteries.org   DreamBoat at: Instagram @thedreamboatpodcast FaceBook @dreamboatpodcast Twitter @dreamboatpod DRI website: driccpe.org.uk/contact    This podcast is a project of the DRI, the centre for dream studies at CCPE, the psychotherapy college overlooking the canals at London's scenic Little Venice.   Remember you can join the DRI for just £30 a year currently to access discounted events, courses, newsletters and join in the conversation about dreams. Go to driccpe.org.uk/sign-up to join!   Keep dreaming, and keep sharing your dreams!   Credits Recorded on Riverside.fm by Dave and Laura Edited by James Ede at Be Heard https://beheard.org.uk  Podcast Artwork Design by Kat Seager Design   Music: Adventures by A Himitsu https://soundcloud.com/a-himitsu  Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported— CC BY 3.0 Free Download / Stream: http://bit.ly/2Pj0MtT Music released by Argofox https://youtu.be/8BXNwnxaVQE  Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/MkNeIUgNPQ8 #dream #dreams #recurringdream #nightmares #psychology #research #psychotherapy #trauma #treatment #sleep #transpersonal #science #alchemy #spirituality #jung #lucid #luciddreaming #podcast #dreamwork #technology #AI #artificialintelligence #gpt #individuation #art #surrealism #consciousness   Tags: Insta: @onefulness @dreamresearchinstitute @iasddream @melinda.j.messenger_ FB: @associationforstudyofdreams  @dreamresearchinstitute 

In this week's episode, Eric gets to share his passion of healthy living with chiropractor and wellness professional, Sara Jayne Klein! Sara Jayne has always been natural minded, but a panic attack in 2015 sent her into a tailspin. Now, she is a chiropractor and wellness advocate, she has helped thousands of others get back on their feet through nutrition, cleaner products, and a mastered mindset.Key Takeaways:The “Fab Five” Daily Supplements for Optimal Health: She recommends these five supplements for foundational health:MultivitaminFish OilProbioticVitamin D3 with K2A Functional Food (for gut health, detox, or inflammation)Self-Care as a Foundation for Helping Others: Sarah Jane emphasized that taking care of oneself is essential before being able to effectively support others. Her wake-up call was a panic attack in 2015, which forced her to reassess her lifestyle.The Turning Point: Prioritizing Health and Wellness: After her panic attack, she decided to make a drastic lifestyle change, choosing to seek the root causes rather than relying on medication. This shift led her to deeper studies in nutrition, wellness, and mindset.The Importance of Boundaries and Mental Health: She sought therapy a year after her panic attack and learned how to set boundaries. Through therapy, she realized that she didn't need validation from others and had to prioritize her own well-being.Challenging the "Normalization" of Poor Health: Many people accept chronic pain, fatigue, and discomfort as a natural part of aging, but Sarah Jane argues that small lifestyle changes can drastically improve quality of life.The Impact of Diet on Overall Well-Being: She stressed the importance of reducing sugar intake and eating whole, unprocessed foods. Even small changes, like cutting out sugary coffee drinks, can have a significant impact.Check Sara out! - https://www.purelysarajayne.com/Klein-Chiropractic & https://www.facebook.com/velvachiroGet AMP'D, Sign up for an adventure now: https://centerforvictory.kartra.com/page/9Gn85

Towards the end of 2024, I released a lot of fun bonus content, a compilation episode covering multiple stories, and even strayed in to the Edwardian era a little bit. But tonight, for the first episode of the new year, I want to get back to the show's roots with a classic Victorian murder case, where some very interesting investigation methods were deployed. This is the story of Sarah Jane Roberts.Follow along on Instagram, TikTok, or YouTube @agoodnightforamurder or www.agoodnightforamurder.com, and subscribe where ever you listen to podcasts.

Travel back to Renaissance Italy with the Earth Station Who Podcast as we review the classic Doctor Who story, "The Masque of Mandragora." Join Mike, Mike, and Mary as they explore the Fourth Doctor's battle with the Mandragora Helix, Sarah Jane's adventures in a historical setting, and the story's stunning mix of science fiction and period drama. Discover behind-the-scenes insights, memorable moments, and how this 1976 serial continues to captivate fans. Tune in for a lively discussion about one of the most intriguing tales in Doctor Who history! Subscribe now to Earth Station Who for more Doctor Who episode reviews, news, and discussions, and join the conversation with fellow fans! Links Listen to older episodes of the Earth Station Who Podcast ESW on iTunes Earth Station Who on Spotify Earth Station Who on Instagram Earth Station Who on Facebook Earth Station Who on YouTube Make-A-Wish Foundation The ESO Network TeePublic Store The ESO Network Patreon Bat Chums piecesofmelee Tales of Hollywoodland Promotion Earth Station Trek If you would like to leave feedback or comment, feel free to email us at feedback@earthstationwho.com DoctorWhoTheMasqueofMandragora #ClassicDoctorWhostoryreview #FourthDoctorTomBaker #SarahJaneSmithcompanion #MandragoraHelixplot #DoctorWhoRenaissanceItaly #HistoricalDoctorWhoepisodes #1976DoctorWhoserial #ClassicDoctorWhoadventures #DoctorWhopodcastreview #EarthStationWhoPodcast #DoctorWhoFourthDoctorera #BestDoctorWhoclassicepisodes #BehindthescenesDoctorWho #DoctorWhodiscussions

Travel back to Renaissance Italy with the Earth Station Who Podcast as we review the classic Doctor Who story, “The Masque of Mandragora.” Join Mike, Mike, and Mary as they explore the Fourth Doctor’s battle with the Mandragora Helix, Sarah Jane’s adventures in a historical setting, and the story’s stunning mix of science fiction and […] The post Unmasking the Mystery: A Review of Doctor Who's The Masque of Mandragora | The Earth Station Who Podcast appeared first on The ESO Network.

We're traveling around the world again, with Sarah Jane, Lilisonna, and Martin to gather recs, and wishes, and terrible jokes. We've got more joyful recommendations for AJ Sherwood's books, more cozy games, more pop culture documentaries, and more cats visiting the show.We've got one more episode featuring listeners in various parts of the world. Record number of people signed up this year. Thank you!We also mentioned:A Little to the Left GamesPowerwash SimulatorStardew ValleyInsider-Gaming.com: “Stardew Valley is Officially the Best Game for Reducing Stress”Dark Side of the 90s (Hulu)Dark Side of the 00s (Hulu)This is Pop, Episode 1 (Netflix)Music: purple-planet.com Join our Patreon for complete mayhem, shenanigans, and more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're traveling around the world again, with Sarah Jane, Lilisonna, and Martin to gather recs, and wishes, and terrible jokes. We've got more joyful recommendations for AJ Sherwood's books, more cozy games, more pop culture documentaries, and more cats visiting the show.We've got one more episode featuring listeners in various parts of the world. Record number of people signed up this year. Thank you!We also mentioned:A Little to the Left GamesPowerwash SimulatorStardew ValleyInsider-Gaming.com: “Stardew Valley is Officially the Best Game for Reducing Stress”Dark Side of the 90s (Hulu)Dark Side of the 00s (Hulu)This is Pop, Episode 1 (Netflix)Music: purple-planet.com Join our Patreon for complete mayhem, shenanigans, and more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this month's episode Juliet shares an insight into her experience travelling through Egypt for 3 weeks in November 2024.  With insights into the spiritual experience and advice she received from the Sphinx go on a journey with Juliet into these foreign lands.  To see the special footage we recommend checking out the full Youtube Episode here: CLICK HERE TO Watch on Youtube For more about NLP, Hypnotherapy or Book writing courses visit www.julietlever.com and for Sarah Jane's Egypt experiences find out more at https://www.sarahjaneperman.com/ 

In conversations do you tend to dominate or take a backseat?  In this Habits and Hustle episode, I'm re-sharing a conversation I had with etiquette expert Sara Jane Ho about using guidelines to foster a more interactive, balanced dialogue, and deeper connection.  Listen as we discuss the challenge of dancing around the fine line between curiosity and intrusiveness, noting cultural differences in what's considered polite or rude, and the intersection of East meets West and female empowerment - especially in business! She also shares the true impact of making a strong first impression, especially in the world of modern dating, and the evolving norms of social etiquette in the post-COVID world.  Sara Jane Ho is the star of Netflix's “Mind Your Manners”, author of the book of the same name, founder of Chinese finishing school, Institute Sarita, where students are taught etiquette and lifetime skills. What We Discuss: (11:00) The legacy of etiquette and charm schools  (20:00) How to master etiquette and dating in the modern world  (22:18) The impact of a first impression  (37:00) The essential guide to exceptional table manners  (51:10) The key differences between curiosity and intrusiveness  (58:34) Career choices and female empowerment (01:01:51 Herbal remedies and Eastern medicine  (01:11:50) Innovative intimate wellness company and proper vulva hygiene education  (01:25:14) Avoiding graveyard energy in your home, and the 20 second/40 second rule  …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: AquaTru: Get 20% off any purifier at aquatru.com with code HUSTLE Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off  TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www.magicmind.com/jen and use code Jen at checkout. BiOptimizers: Want to try Magnesium Breakthrough? Go to https://bioptimizers.com/jennifercohen and use promo code JC10 at checkout to save 10% off your purchase. Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers.    Find more from Jen:  Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen   Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Sara Jane Ho: Website:https://www.sarajaneho.com/  Book: Mind Your Manners Instagram: @sarajaneho

2024 has been a historic year for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; from the 100th birthday of Church Prophet and President Russell M. Nelson to the dedication of the Church’s 200th temple, many milestones marked the year as significant. In this 2024 year-in-review episode of the Church News podcast, Deseret News executive editor Doug Wilks and former Church News editor and current Deseret News editor Sarah Jane Weaver share their observations from the year in politics, peacemaking, missionary work and the strength of youth of the Church. The Church News Podcast is a weekly podcast that invites listeners to make a journey of connection with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints across the globe. Host Jon Ryan Jensen, editor of The Church News, shares a unique view of the stories, events, and people who form this international faith. With each episode, listeners are asked to embark on a journey to learn from one another and ponder, “What do I know now?” because of the experience. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen.

Haley interviews Dr. Sarah Jane Murray, an award-winning Professor of Great Texts & Creative Writing at Baylor University, an EMMY®-nominated filmmaker, and the translator (with Dr. Matthieu Boyd) of the medieval French Moralized Ovid. With a background in medieval texts, Dr. Murray is interested in all kinds of storytelling: books, films, and even virtual reality. In today's episode Haley and Dr. Murray discuss what makes stories meaningful, how they affect us on a neurological level, and what concerns we should have about what stories are consumed by young people. They also explore the future of storytelling, preserving the Great Books, and whether we should view new technologies with fear or embrace them with open arms.   

Es ist der Spätsommer 2000 in Carnkie, in der englischen Grafschaft Cornwall. Scheinbar Hals-über-Kopf verschwindet die 36-jährige Lesley Ford mit ihren vier ältesten Kindern, Sarah-Jane, Anne-Marie, Steven und Craig. Zurück bleiben ihr Ehemann Lee Ford und ihre beiden gemeinsamen Kinder, die beiden Nesthäkchen der Familie. Als Lee Ford herumtelefoniert und sich bei Lesleys Familie erkundigt, ob Lesley bei ihnen sei, ist Lesleys Bruder Peter überrascht. Es wäre nicht das erste Mal, dass seine Schwester Lee Ford ohne ein Wort verlassen hätte- doch die Umstände ihres Verschwindens stimmen ihn misstrauisch. Peter, der eigentlich den Kontakt zu seiner Schwester abgebrochen hatte, macht sich auf die Suche. Doch von seiner Schwester und seinen Nichten und Neffen, fehlt jede Spur. Inhaltswarnungen: Explizite Gewalt (gg. Minderjährige), Sexualisierte Gewalt (gg. Minderjährige), partnerschaftliche Gewalt, Coercive Control, SHOWNOTES:Danke an unsere Werbepartner!fraenk:Sicher dir jetzt +3 GB mit dem Code „Crime3“und starte mit 15 GB für 10 Euro monatlich bei fraenk -der Mobilfunk App. Mehr Infos auf fraenk - Der einfachgünstige HandyvertragHier findet ihr alle Links zu unseren aktuellen Werbepartnern, Rabatten und Codes:https://linktr.ee/puppiesandcrimeEmpfehlung Amanda: The Housemaid 1+2 von Freida McFaddenEmpfehlung Marieke: The Handmaid's Tale von Margaret AtwoodSOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: @Puppiesandcrime - https://www.instagram.com/puppiesandcrime/?hl=deTiktok: @puppiesandcrime.podcast - https://www.tiktok.com/@puppiesandcrime.podcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PuppiesandCrimeEmail: puppiesandcrime@gmail.com------- G --------- Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Uncover the 3rd Doctor's Time Warrior with Dom Bettinelli and Jimmy Akin with the debut of the Sontarans, a medieval warlord, Sarah Jane's debut, and the origins of Gallifrey.

Uncover the 3rd Doctor's Time Warrior with Dom Bettinelli and Jimmy Akin with the debut of the Sontarans, a medieval warlord, Sarah Jane's debut, and the origins of Gallifrey. The post The Time Warrior appeared first on StarQuest Media.

Rachel is a professor, an author, and a VBAC mom who is here to share her story from a traumatic C-section birth through a VBAC. This episode really dives deep into how picking the right provider is key to improving your chances for a VBAC. They give practical questions to ask your providers, more than just yes or no, to really get to know their birth philosophy and what qualifications and experiences your provider might have that would make them a better fit for VBAC chances. Rachel and Meagan also give a lot of validation and advice on how to start the process of overcoming birth trauma; it's reality and to not be ashamed of it. You're not alone. Through the many important messages of this episode, they both mention many times to trust your intuition. If something feels off, listen to that. And if a change in provider is necessary…it is never ever too late to change. Invisible Labor: The Untold Story of the Cesarean SectionHow to Naturally Induce LaborHow to Turn Prodromal Labor into Active LaborMembrane Sweeps for VBACHow to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for ParentsFull Transcript under Episode Details Meagan: Hello everybody! Welcome to the show! I am so honored to have Rachel Somerstein on with us today. She is a friend of ours from New York. She is a writer and an associate professor of journalism at SUNY New Paltz. She is an author of Invisible Labor: The Untold Story of the Cesarean Section.  And her writing has also appeared in the Boston Globe, The Guardian, The Washington Post, and Women's Health. She lives in Hudson Valley, NY with her husband and her two children and is here to share her stories with you today. Rachel had an unplanned Xesarean section with her first child and the experience was anything but routine. I know that there are many of us who have been through this journey and on this podcast, maybe listening today, that also had an unexpected experience and it may have left us with trauma, or doubt, or fear, or all the feelings, right? And so she is going to be talking to us today about her experiences, but then also we're going to talk about some guidance on how to find peace and to offer ourselves grace and to set ourselves up for a much better experience next time. We do have a review of the week, so I want to get into that and I'm going to turn the time over to Rachel.This review is by Deserie Jacobsen. The review title is “Thank You.” She actually emailed this in and it says, “This podcast and parents course is amazing. I am not a VBAC mom, but I have been listening since 2020. I binge listen near the end of every pregnancy to remind me of everything I need to remember in birth and process through my previous births. This time around I felt more prepared than ever before, having plans in place just in case. We were able to have a quick birth of my 5th baby. I love the education, passion, and love this podcast gives. I recommend it to everyone I know, and I have learned so much from it. I am so grateful for this podcast, thank you.”Thank you so much Deserie for your review! Seriously you guys, I just love hearing that people are finding the information that they need, they're finding community, they're finding that they can do this too. Just like them, and all these reviewers and all the people that have shared their stories and all these reviewers you guys can too. This birth, VBAC, is possible too. Better experience is possible. A healing CBAC; it's possible. You guys, all it takes is getting the information, the prep, finding the provider, to have a better experience.Meagan: Alright Ms. Rachel, welcome to the show and thank you again so much for being here with us. I kind of talked about this a little bit before we started recording about how I think your episode is going to be so powerful and deep and raw too. You've got these feelings and these words. I love it. I love reading your book and I can't wait to hear it from your own mouth. Which speaking of book, can we talk about that a little bit? What kind of just inspired you, jumpstarted you into writing a book about this?Rachel: Well, I'm a writer. And I wrote an essay about my birth about two years after I had my baby, my first birth, my C-section. And I realized I had a lot more to say and also I heard from a lot of moms when that came out and that made me start thinking that I think there was a bigger project. Meagan: Absolutely. And an amazing project that you completed.Rachel: Yes.Meagan: And remind everybody before we get into your stories where they can find your book. I actually have it here in my hands. It's Invisible Labor. So where all can they find that? And we'll make sure that we link it. Rachel: Sure, thank you! Yeah, so it's Invisible Labor: The Untold Story of The Cesarean Section. And you can get it on Amazon, you can get it from Barnes and Noble, you can get it from your local bookstore, you can get it as an audiobook? Or you can also get it as an ebook.Meagan: For the audiobook, did you record it?Rachel: I did not. The narrator is Xe Sands and she did a great, great job. It sounds excellent. Meagan: Awesome. We'll be sure to link that. I think it's definitely a book that everyone should check out. There's a lot of power in that book.Rachel: Thank you.Meagan: And it's not even just your story. I mean there's a ton. Like if you go through the note section there's a ton of research in there, and history and studies, and so many really great things. Well okay, let's hear about the story that started the inspiration and behind this amazing book.Rachel: Sure! Thank you. So like so many moms, I had an unplanned C-section that I was completely unprepared for, which is another reason I wanted to write this book because I think a lot of people go into pregnancy just assuming they're going to have a vaginal birth and like me, I didn't even read the parts of the books about C-sections, I skipped them. Because I was not going to have a C-section. Which is whatever, hindsight is everything, right? But I had a totally textbook pregnancy. I switched to a different group of midwives and OB's about halfway through because I just didn't have a connection I felt with the providers in the first one. And frankly, I didn't have a connection with the providers in the second one either, but by that point, I was like well whatever, it's fine. Which I think is actually, if I could go back and do it again I would have changed that. But you kind of are like, I don't want to, could I possibly change again? And I think that for people who are VBACing, yes you can and sometimes you actually really need to, even like late on in your pregnancy, people will switch groups or providers even late in the third trimester, so. Meagan: Even if you're changed already, you can do it multiple times.Rachel: Exactly.Meagan: It's not a bad thing to find the right provider for you. It's not. Rachel: It's not. And It's hard. And you can feel like, Oh my god. Am I really going to send all my records over? It can feel like so much effort and it can really be worth it. I just wanted to say that as someone who switched once and then was like, Okay, I'm done, and wished I'd switched again. So anyways, it was late in week 39 I went into prodromal labor but I didn't know that prodromal labor even existed because nobody told me about it.  And it was my first baby. So I was like is this labor? I think I'm having contractions, these are not Braxton Hicks. And in the end, we talked to the doula I was working with, and in the end they ended up petering out. And at that, I think that that for me marked the beginning of, this is not going to look like the way I had expected it to look. And again, hindsight is everything. What I wish I had known at the time– and I think this is really relevant to some VBAC moms is that sometimes prodromal labor means that your baby is not in the best position for having a vaginal birth. And I can't exactly say oh I would have done this or that differently if I'd known it, but it would have helped me understand what I was going into with the labor and the birth. So anyway, I eventually went into labor in the middle of the night. It was exactly my due date and I knew it was different. I could just feel this is labor. And I was really eager to get it going quickly. And again, I wish someone would have said, “Rachel, rest. It's early. You're going to need your strength. You're going to need your energy however your baby is born.” And instead I quite literally was running up and down the stairs of my house to try to push labor along. Which is, I have compassion for myself, I understand why I was doing that. What I really needed to do was get in the bath, or I don't know, lay over the birth ball. Watch a silly movie, right? The feelings I was having were real pain and I was scared. But you kind of can't run through this, especially a first labor as we all know, those take a long time, right?Meagan: Yeah. And if we were having prodromal labor, our body may be kicking into labor, but still might need some time to help that baby rotate and change positions. Rachel: Exactly, exactly. And this is the kind of education that is so missing from birth classes. And that is one reason why this kind of podcast is so helpful because that's how I learned about these different things. I didn't ever learn about them from a provider being like, “Let's talk about what will happen in your birth, and let's talk about why you had prodromal labor.”So anyway, we went to the doctors office where we met a midwife and my doula for a labor check. And I was hardly dilated, I was at a 2 but I was in extreme pain. And I have to say, I have a very, very high pain tolerance and I now know I was having back labor. Meagan: Baby's position.Rachel: Exactly. And the contractions were like boom boom boom boom. They were not, I didn't have any rest in between them. Which again, I think my baby was like I gotta get in the right position, this isn't working out, I'm freaking out, ah! Plus my mom is running around, ah! Right?Meagan: Yeah. Rachel: So we went to the hospital and I was checked in and the midwife who checked me in was like, “Oh you're actually not even 2 centimeters, you're just 1 centimeter dilated.” And they checked me because I was in so much pain I think. And I don't know that that was necessarily wrong,  but again, no one was sort of explaining, “Here's what we think is going on.” And it's partly because I believe those providers thought I was exaggerating what I was experiencing physically. They didn't know me. Well, they didn't know that I'm usually pretty stoic. They didn't know that I'm not a squeaky wheel. And I wasn't like screaming or crying or pounding. I was like quiet and I was like I'm in a lot of pain.Meagan: An intense quiet.Rachel: Intense quiet. Exactly. But that doesn't look like what we think pain looks like to people. And the fact is that people are very individual and how they express pain especially during labor where you're already kind of like leaving the regular plane of reality.Meagan: Yes. Rachel: So an important takeaway is like, even experienced providers cannot read your mind and make mistakes in assessing what's truly going on with you. And this comes up later in my second birth, but my husband now does a much better job of saying, “You might look at Rachel right now and think she looks like she's doing great, but this is what's really going on with her.” And he does that in a way that's not like he's speaking for me in a way that's annoying, but it's like I actually can't advocate for myself, I can't express this. So anyways, I asked for an epidural. They said that the anesthesiologist was busy. Which may have been true, but may have been they were trying to put me off because I was hardly dilated. And they told me to get in the birth tub. And I remember hanging over the side of the tub and staring at the clock on the wall and being like, I actually don't know if I'm going to survive this hour. I was just in so much pain. Incredible pain from back labor that was incessant. Eventually he showed up. They hooked me up to all the monitors. At that point, one of the nurses was like, “Oh, you are having monster contractions.” Like the contractions that were being measured were so intense they were going each time to the edge of what was measurable. And now that the computer said it it was like oh…Meagan: You're validated now. Rachel: Exactly. Right. And the anesthesiologist, it took him three tries to get the epidural working properly which would echo problems to come. But he did, and it took away the pain. And then I was just in the bed and kind of left there. And the nurses and the midwife did not use a peanut ball, they didn't move me around. And obviously, listen, I'm attached to the monitors. You know you cannot really move that well, the belt slips, and that increases the chances you'll have a C-section. And there are still things that can be done. It's not like you're a loaf of bread, you just lay in a bed. But they didn't do that stuff and I wasn't dilating. The nurse and doula eventually basically were like, “Well, we're going to go out for dinner and we'll be back in a few hours and we're going to give you this thing to sleep and if you haven't dilated by the time we get back you're going to have a C-section.” And at that point I was exhausted. It's evening now, I've been up since the middle of the night. I'm totally like, what is happening with this birth? No preparation; I took birth classes, I read books, no preparation suggested that this series of events could take place. I felt completely abandoned by my providers, including my doula who I was paying out of pocket. And one thing that came up at this time also was I had this colposcopy in college, like scraping of cervical cells. I didn't hide it from anybody, I was open. And the midwife said well maybe that's why you're not dilating is because of this colposcopy.Meagan: Do you think you got scar tissue?Rachel: That's what she said. And I remember at the time being like why are we only talking about this now? Why has nobody brought this up in any of the prenatal visits that I've done? And I felt blamed. This thing about your body is defective. After a few hours when the midwife and the doula came back and I rested and it was quiet, I had dilated to a 9. And I think what that's about is that I had been in too much pain to dilate. I was so frozen up and tense and also extremely scared.At this point people are like, “Oh wow.” And finally my water broke,y water hadn't broken. So you know, things are kind of continuing and I am starting to actually feel even more fear and my room is getting really crowded with people. And the midwife asks me to start pushing. And I was afraid and I was excited. They turned on the baby warmer, and they were like, “Okay, your baby is going to come out.” And I started to push but I couldn't feel what I was doing. I had no idea. And the midwife was like, “Do you have an urge to push?” And I was like, “No.” The epidural that hadn't gone well from the beginning had then come down with a very heavy hammer and I felt total numbness. It was not helpful. I needed someone to have turned it off or something, or turned it down so I could feel an urge to push and feel how to push, where to push, what muscles to use. And at a certain point I could tell something was going not right and it turned out that my baby was having heart rate decelerations. So just to sketch the scene. At this point it's 1 o'clock in the morning, I've been awake for 24 hours. I'm exhausted. My husband is exhausted. Neither of us has any idea that things could have gone like this. The midwife says I think it's time to do a C-section. And I don't disagree with her. I don't even know what to think at that point. I'm also feeling tremendous fear. I was like I'm afraid I'm going to die, I'm afraid my baby's going to die. And the overall sense in the room…and people were like, “Oh no, you're going to be fine”. And the sense in the room was that I was hysterical and I was not in my right mind. Which I wasn't in my right mind; I had been awake for a long time, I'd been trying to have this baby, nobody really told me what was going on and I felt totally unsupported. Actually, my response was completely reasonable given the circumstances and nobody really attended to that and saw that and recognized that as completely valid. Plus, I don't have evidence to stack this up absolutely, but I have since come to find out that there is a medication that some laboring women are given to help them rest and one of the side effects is an impending sense of doom. And I have a friend who had a baby at this same hospital and had the same response after having been given something to rest during her labor. I could go back and look at my records and I may do that but I'm like, well that would explain also why I had the response I did. Meagan: Mhmm.Rachel: Anyway, we go to the OR. I hunch my back for the spinal that the anesthesiologist has to do a couple of times to get it right. I'm still contracting at this point. My body is still like, Come on, let's get this baby out. Let's get this baby out. And I'm so uncomfortable. And you know that advice to not lay down flat on your back when you're pregnant, but that's what you have to do when you're in the OR. The whole thing felt like I was going to choke under my stomach and very exposed like you are in the operating room. Meagan: Yeah, it's cold and it's bright and you're very exposed. And you can't move your body normally, especially if you've had a spinal. Rachel: And also in retrospect, again I'm like I cannot believe that the first time I learned what happened in a C-section was in my C-section. I really should have at least learned about this even though it would have still been scary and I still would have been surprised. So when the OB goes to operate, he starts his incision and I say, “I felt that.” And he says, “You'll feel pressure.” And I say, “I felt that.” And he continues operating and I was not numb. I felt the operation. And according to his notes..parts of this I don't remember…but he wrote it down and my husband has also told me that I was screaming, my legs were kicking. There's no question that I was in tremendous pain. And I was moaning and it was horrible. And it was horrible for the people in the room too by the way.Meagan: I'm sure. Rachel: Right? Like it's really important to say that. My OB didn't listen to me. That is a super common thing that happens in healthcare, especially for women. Especially for pregnant women. He's not a sociopath. He didn't want to be evil, but he didn't listen and the consequences were so steep and so dire. And I think that it was traumatizing to him and I know it was traumatizing to some of the other providers in that room, the nurses to watch this. He kept going and when the baby was born, which I don't remember, apparently they held her up to my face and they put me under general anesthesia and sent my baby and my husband away and stitched me up. Then I woke up in recovery. The doula and the midwife had gotten the baby to latch while I was unconscious and were talking about me without knowing that I was awake about her latch which really, really bothered me because it just underscored how it felt like I was just a body. And even people who were supposed to be there to take care of me and be tender and advocates, I felt they disregarded me. And under other circumstances I really would have wanted to breastfeed my baby like right away. But I wasn't even there to say yes I want to do this or no I don't want to do this. It was a terrible birth and I would not wish it on anybody. Meagan: And I think, kind of talking about what you were just talking about with breastfeeding and stuff, these people in their hearts and in their minds were probably like this is what she would have wanted. We're trying to help. But in whole other frame of mind over here, I'm not present. I haven't said those things. And I know you're trying to help and I know that's where your heart is, but I'm not okay with this. Rachel: Totally.Meagan: And I think sometimes as doulas, as birth workers, as any one of you listening, remember that words matter. Actions matter. These moms' feelings matter and it's sometimes in our minds we're trying to do what's best, but it might not be. Rachel: Totally. Absolutely. Yes and I again, it's so important to point out. Yes they were coming from a good place. They really were coming from a good place. But it wasn't the way that I felt it or experienced it. Meagan: And it left you with trauma and angst and heartache. Rachel: Absolutely. Totally. Yeah. Meagan: Well that definitely sounds like a really rough birth. And it's so crazy because it's like you went from not progressing to baby in a poor position, to getting an epidural. I love that you talked about that. That can be an amazing tool. A lot of people are very against epidurals, and there are pros and cons with epidurals. We've talked about those. Fetal heart decels is one of them. I don't think, maybe in this situation it sounds like a lot of other things happened; baby's position being one of the biggest ones. But that can really be a tool that helps you just relax and be more present and have less trauma. We talk about this in my doula practice of where there's a difference between pain and suffering. And pain, progressive positive pain that's bringing our baby to us that's one thing. But when we're suffering and we're so tense that our body's not even able to try; that epidural could come into great play. But again, we're not that loaf of bread in a bed and it is important to move and rotate. And it doesn't have to be drastic. It doesn't have to be crazy big movements. Just subtle movements to change the dynamics of the pelvis and to encourage our baby to keep coming down. So there were so many things that just went poorly but also went well, and then poorly again and then well and then real poorly there at the end. Rachel: And I think like to your point, I went into my birth I should say, I was planning on having an unmedicated vaginal birth. I was like I'm not going to have an epidural. And I think that if my providers had different skills I would have, I may have been able to have that baby vaginally. And I say that based on what happened in my second birth. So it's not just like wishful thinking, right? And I'm really glad I had that epidural. I really needed that. I was suffering. The pain I was experiencing was not productive pain. And an epidural can help you with suffering, alleviate your suffering. But it can't and doesn't substitute for emotional support. And I think that's what was missing for me, throughout that first birth. Even if I had gone on to have ok fine, a cesarean, or even a vaginal birth, I still think I would have been like that wasn't a good birth because I didn't feel emotionally supported. And an epidural can't do that. Meagan: Yeah. No an epidural cannot do that. And I, for anyone listening who supports birth, or even who are going for a birth you kind of mentioned it. You're in this other land and sometimes it's hard to advocate and open. You might be thinking something and you might so badly want to say it. It's right here, coming out. And you can't say it for whatever reason. It's a weird thing, it doesn't make sense sometimes but it can happen. But really being heard, validated, understood; which are so many things you weren't. Right? And when we're not heard and when we don't feel safe, and we don't feel supported, those things leave us with PTSD. In fact there was, in your book, I'm just going to read it. It says, “2022 study by anesthesiology and obstetrics professor Joanna and colleagues found that what's important about women who feel pain during childbirth is how mothers feel about their pain. And how their providers communicate with them overall…”You were communicating, and no one was communicating to you. “...feeling positively about pain and heard by providers protects a mother from developing PTSD.” And I mean it goes on which is why you need to get the book so you can read more about it. Rachel: Yep. Meagan: But really, feeling heard. Rachel: It's not just crunchy whoo-hoo feels good, feels right, sounds good. It really matters. And I have to say that I'm participating in and helping to work with providers on designing some studies about providing different pain options for moms during C-sections. We literally had a conversation about this yesterday. And one of things we were talking about is it's not just the pain. It's not just pain relief. It's also being listened to. Because there will be people who are like, I might say I'm in pain, but that doesn't mean I need an epidural or want an epidural. But I'm feeling pain and I want to be heard and I want somebody to…even if you can't express this. You can't even express it because you're the one having labor. What you're needing is someone to see you and look you in the eye and be like you're going to be okay. And I think as mothers we totally are experienced with that all the time. When your child is hurt or sick, part of your job obviously is to get them the help they need, but it's also to assure them this nosebleed is going to end. You're not going to have a bloody nose for the rest of your life. Which, when you're going through something really hard you can sometimes forget, right? And you're pointing out from the studies this helps to prevent people in birth, in labor, from developing PTSD. The stakes are really high. They matter so much. Meagan: When you were just talking, I don't know if you saw my eyes kind of well up a little, but I connected a lot with my first birth when I was clinging to a bed, literally clinging. And I was looking at my husband and I'm like, “Do something!” I had a baby in a poor position. I was being jacked full of pitocin. My water had broken, there was a lot of discomfort going on. I had told him I didn't want an epidural and he's like what do you want me to do? And I was like I don't know, I just need something! And I was terrified and desperate. And he was just like… It wasn't fair for me to put him in that position either but at the same time he was like I don't know, I don't know what to do, right? And the nurses were just like we'll just get you an epidural. And I was like no, I don't want an epidural. And then it just was like epidural, just went down from there. And I wish so badly that there was something else. Let's get you out of the bed. Let's get you in the shower. Let's give you some nitrous. There was so much more that I could have had, but wasn't even offered. And I think too, I needed someone to tell me that nosebleed was going to end. Rachel: Yes. Meagan: And it was going to end and it was going to come back every five minutes and it was going to end again and I was going to be okay. And I was going to survive that. And just hearing you talk about that, why my eyes got all welly, is that I don't know if I realized how much that impacted me until just barely. And here I am, my daughter is almost 13.Rachel: Just like how powerful these things that, I don't know, this is part of why we have these conversations. They shed different corners of light on our experiences that it's like oh my gosh, I didn't even know I knew that. And that's so why we, even though I'm not postpartum immediately, it's valuable for me to talk about it too; to hear what you're saying, you know?Meagan: Yeah. Ah, so after a not-so-amazing experience, going into that postpartum, you've talked a little bit about that in your book. Well, not a little bit, you've talked about that a lot. Tell us about that journey and then what led you to deciding on VBAC and ultimately going and having a VBAC. Rachel: So I should say, I was really…Talk about not realizing things right away. It took me a long time to figure out how traumatized I had been by that birth. And I was about two years postpartum and I was having a procedure for something else and I just completely, I had a panic attack. I had never had a panic attack before, I didn't know what it was and couldn't have explained what was happening. And when the anesthesiologist who did this procedure was like have you ever had any issues with anesthesia, which is exactly the question that should be asked, and I had said what had happened he was so taken aback. He was shocked and didn't know what to say and walked out of the room.Not in the way of, I'm abandoning my patient, but just like from his perspective here's this kind of routine thing. This patient is crying and shaking and talking about this very traumatic incident which I had not talked about. I didn't go to therapy. I had talked about it with friends and my family, it wasn't a secret, but I felt a lot of shame. I felt like I must have been this total freak of a person that this had happened to me. And after that I remember saying to my husband, I just don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get over this trauma enough to have another baby. And I didn't even know if I wanted another baby, like separate from the trauma. In therapy I started to see that I felt very stuck in my life and that included how and whether to grow my family. And that was actually because of the traumatic birth. It just like made this big block. I think one thing that's important to think about for those who have had a traumatic birth is that sometimes that can show up in your life in ways that you don't expect. Meagan: Yes. Rachel: And so to be compassionate with yourself about that and also to be open to that. We're in the era of warnings and trigger warnings and those are important, but sometimes for a traumatized person the things that are triggering or activating are not what you would think. Like for me, I couldn't watch a scene of a hospital birth even if it was happy without getting very uncomfortable and having to walk away and there wouldn't be a content warning on that. So it's just to say be patient with yourself. Accept that…don't, I guess if you've had a traumatizing birth you don't have to struggle against these things. As horrible as they might feel, as uncomfortable as they might feel it's normal and it's ok and it shows up differently for everybody. Rachel: Yeah so I had this big question and then I was like ok, it took awhile for me to be like I do want to have another baby. But I wasn't ready emotionally. And so I waited. And then about, let's see, October of 2019, I was like I think that I'm ready to try to have another baby. And we had met this midwife who lived in our community, who my daughter actually made friends with her niece at our public pool which is so beautiful. I ran into her one night while she was walking her dog. She was like your husband shared a little bit with me, if you ever want to talk. And this, I feel like, I could not be more grateful that this person came into my life. She just is, her skills are phenomenal. Just as a clinician in terms of trauma-informed care, and I've felt safe enough going to her for prenatal care to decide that I was ready to get pregnant. My joke is that I should tour high schools and be like it only takes once to have unprotected sex to become a parent. And I was really lucky that I got pregnant right away and at that point I was 37. So I should say I had my first baby at 33 and I got pregnant again at 37. And that's not always the case for people. Obviously it can take a long time and especially after a C-section, secondary infertility is real. Meagan: It is. Rachel: Yeah. Not talked about enough. Really not talked about enough. Meagan: There's a lot of things, right, about C-sections that is not discussed about. For personal, for the mom, for the individual, the infertility, adhesions, all those things. Just the emotional and the physical. Then even the baby. There's risks for the baby, the allergies, the microbiome getting messed up. All the risks, it's just not discussed. Rachel: No, it's really not. And you kind of only find out later if you've had a C-section and you've had a problem down the road that you're like, maybe that's because of my C-section. It's ridiculous.So we got pregnant and I was not sure if I wanted to have a VBAC, but I started thinking about it from the beginning. And I also was like, if I don't have a VBAC how am I ever going to get myself into an OR, I just don't know. And I really think that VBAC is the under-discussed pain point for moms. And I'm preaching to the choir here but we're talking about half a million moms every year have to make this decision, if it's even available to them. Meagan: I was going to say, if it's even offered. Rachel: If it's even offered. Which is totally not a given. But theoretically, they do have this decision and I really have not…I should say, in the course of writing this book, but also just being a mom who had a bad C-section and then had a VBAC, I hear from people a lot about their journeys just like on the playground. Every person I've talked to, they agonize over it. No matter what they choose, no matter what. Why is that not talked about more? I mean that part of what this podcast is doing that's so important, but I still can't believe how under the radar it is, yet it's such a big deal when you're going through it. So anyway, I told myself I did not have to decide right away about a VBAC or a C-section. My midwife was like you can totally have a VBAC, you can totally have a C-section. Even if you have a C-section you can keep seeing me. I was worried like oh would I get bumped out of midwifery care. One of the things I'm really fortunate about and that I think is really good about that practice is that she has a very close relationship with one of the OB's there. Like they kind of share patients, I should say that. And that's because she's worked with him for a long time and he really respects her clinical skills and vice versa. The other thing about her that's unique and that I didn't know how important it is she's a Certified Nurse Midwife, so she attends births in the hospital. But she previously had been a homebirth practice and at a birth center as a CNM. So her skills are, like I said are phenomenal. A C-section is truly like we have to do this. I've run out of my bag of skills or like the baby or mom's health suggests that like we need to do this now. She worked with me to work with the scheduler so that I saw her for every visit which helped me to learn how to trust her and she didn't pressure me. Either way she was completely open. She also worked with me to make sure that I could see her for virtually every visit so that way she earned my trust. And I got to show her who I am. She got to understand me which was really important to the birth. Meagan: Yes, which I want to point out. There are a lot of providers these days that are working in groups. And I understand why they're working in groups. They're overworked, definitely not rested. There's reasons why, both midwives and OBGYNs are working in these big practices. But the thing is it's really nice to have that established relationship but for some reason specially for VBAC it's so important to have that one-on-one relationship. So if you can, during your search for finding providers, if you can find a provider that is going to be like Rachel's midwife where she's just like I want to get to know you, I want to establish this relationship. Yes, we have this OB over here but I want to be your person. I definitely think it's impactful.Rachel: I totally agree with you and I didn't even know that was possible. And she works for a big group and even so she told the schedulers, hey make sure you schedule her with me. She didn't just do that with me by the way, it wasn't just a special favor for this traumatized patient. And frankly it's better for the providers too because they're not coming in cold. Like ok who's this person, and she's saying this. And what's her prenatal care like? What's her pregnancy like? Of course they're looking at the notes, but it's not the same. Meagan: It isn't. And I love that she said that. But I also want to point out that you can request that. If you're in a group and you can connect whole-heartedly with someone and you feel it's definitely who you need, it's ok to ask hey. I know that I am supposed to meet Sarah Jane and Sally, but can I stay with whoever. And maybe you might not get every visit, but if you can get more visits than only that one? It's worth asking. Rachel: Totally. And also then you know their style. So like she was not an alarmist. Let's say I was over 35; I had to see a MFM just because of my age. That went fine, but if something had come up, like let's say I had a short cervix or there was something I found in an appointment with an MFM specialist I would know her well enough to take that to her to be like, put it to me straight. How worried should I be about this? As opposed to maybe this one's an alarmist, this one is more like ahh let me put this in…And the only way you're going to learn about that is from meeting with them again and again. And for VBAC that's so so important. Meagan: It is. It kind of reminds me of dating. It's weird. I had said this with my provider when I didn't switch. I was like, I feel like I'm breaking up with him. Like he's my second boyfriend, it's just weird. It's not really boyfriend but you know what I mean. But it is, we're dating them. And anyone, in my opinion, can come off really great for that first date because they're wanting to make that impression. They're wanting you to like them. But the more you get to know them, the more they may show their true colors. And you also may realize, I don't think I'm the right person for you. My desires aren't something that aligns with you and so I don't want to put you in this situation. And so if we date our providers, “date our providers,” a little bit more than just one time it really will help us know. And like you said, if something were to come up you could have that trusted person in your corner, which is so important for VBAC, that you can go to. Rachel: Totally. Yeah. So yeah, so pregnancy went well. And then right as I entered my third trimester it started to be COVID. Meagan: Mhmmm. The joys. Rachel: Nobody saw that coming. And then you know, things for the entire society obviously went completely off the rails. Obviously something like COVID is, we hope, not even once in a generation. Once in a hundred years experience. But given all the stuff that was up in the air, boy was I glad that there was one provider who I trusted. Who I could be like ok what do I do, what do I do. And I have to tell you that she and my daughter's pediatrician…I'm a professor. So I should say I'm in the classroom with young people who, you get sick a lot anyways. They're living in dorms, like they're not taking the best care of themselves. So COVID was circulating, and we live right outside New York City, COVID was circulating early here and I have a lot of colleagues that ended up getting it. And both my midwife and my child's pediatrician told me early you need to stop going in person, it's too dangerous for you. And I trust my daughter's pediatrician a lot, you know we have a nice relationship and I really trusted my midwife. Right? So I followed that advice and was really fortunate because boy. You know what you don't want while pregnant? COVID. And you know what you really didn't want? COVID in 2020 when you were pregnant and nobody knew anything, you know?Meagan: Right? Rachel: So, the blessing in disguise was that I was able to work from home. And it was super stressful because I had my daughter and my husband was here and you know, my husband is a photographer…I mean the funny thing is that I ended up, not my head but my body, being in these different photos he ended up taking and my belly was getting bigger and bigger and we kind of had to hide it. I'd be holding a book, or cleaning something. It was an absurd, crazy, isolating, scary, and also funny time. You know the blessing in disguise was that I wasn't on my feet as much and I think that that was really good for me as a pregnant person. There is also data that preterm birth went down during the lockdowns because people got to stay home and they don't necessarily get to do that leading up to birth, which tells us a lot about what we need and the rest we need and aren't getting. So anyway, at first everything went virtual and then when I started going in again for my appointments I had met the OB who works closely with my midwife. And we talked about what would happen if I went over 40 weeks. And he was like well, we're not going to automatically schedule a C-section, we would talk about potentially waiting or induction. And I really appreciated having that conversation with him because I understood where he was coming from and it wasn't again like we're going to schedule a C-section right now. So we know if you get to 40+3 and you haven't had the baby, bing bang boom. And that was very important information about his risk tolerance and his stance. Just like with my first birth I went into prodromal labor a few days before my due date. I had had a membrane sweep with my midwife. My in-laws came to stay with my daughter and we went to the hospital on a Saturday night. I didn't know this but my father-in-law told my husband I think she's getting ahead of her skis. And he was right in the end. So we get to the hospital and my contractions stop. And I'm like oh no. And my midwife was like, they put me on the monitor to get a strip which is like you know, what happens. Meagan: Normal.Rachel: And my midwife was like listen, your baby, he's not looking that good on the monitor. I want you to rest for a little bit and let's see. So I'll check back in with you in like half an hour. And I was so upset. I remember being like I can totally see where this is going to go and I had learned about VBAC in terms of like what could increase the chance of rupture or not and I was like I'm going to end up with another C-section and I'm going to be caught in the net. I didn't even have a shot, is what I felt. And then she came back half an hour later and she was like, “He looks great. I think he was just sleeping, and if you want to go home you can go home.”  And it was like 1 o'clock in the morning. And I was like, “I think we should go home.” I just felt like he's not ready. He's not ready to be born.  And remember, I trusted her so much. She would not tell me this if she thought that there was something…Meagan: If there was something wrong. Rachel: Exactly. She wasn't trying to be my friend. She was my provider. And so it felt really weird to leave and come home and not have a baby. And I thought was this the wrong thing to do, because I live like half an hour from the hospital, and was like no this is it.And then everything was quiet for a few days. And then just like my first labor, my daughter, I went into labor in the middle of the night and I had intense back labor, and I knew like this is the real deal, here we are. And this time I tried to rest. I did like cat/cow and just like anything, child's pose, just anything to feel more comfortable. And I called my midwife at 7 in the morning and she was like, “Okay, I want you to come in and be prepared to go into the hospital from this appointment.” So we did that and at that appointment, I had a headache, I had higher blood pressure, I was dilated to a 6, and she said to me, “Listen. Just so you know, they're not going to let you go home. You're going to the hospital, no matter what if your contractions stop or not whatever. This is what's happening because of how dilated you are, the fact that you have this headache, this BP readings, whatever.” And I was like that's completely reasonable, I felt that way too. You know what I mean? But I really appreciated she communicated that with me so clearly and explained why. So I planned initially to try to have an unmedicated, vaginal birth. My midwife and I had discussed these saline boluses you can have in your, by your, what's it called. Like the triangular bone in your back? I'm totally blanking. Meagan: Your sacrum?Rachel: The sacrum. Yeah, that that can alleviate some pain. And very quickly the pain was, I found it to be unbearable. And I asked for an epidural. And the anaesthesiologist came right away and did a very good job. And the nurses and the midwife who were at the hospital were using a peanut ball and helping me move and really supportive emotionally. And I was still really scared, right? Because I had had this terrible birth before, I thought something would happen to me. And nobody treated me like I was exaggerating or you know like, unreasonable. And that mattered a lot. And I think what's important is you shouldn't have to have gone through a bad birth for people then to take you at face value. With your first birth, it should be the standard for everybody. Meagan: Such a powerful saying right there. Rachel: And they were wonderful, truly, clinically and beside.Meagan: Good.Rachel: And then my midwife surprised me by showing up. She was not on call, she came in at like 9 o'clock, no she came in at like 5 o'clock, like once she'd seen her patients and I was just like oh my god,  so moved to see her. And you know, I was pretty far along at that point and she kind of helped me get into different positions and then it was like okay, it was time to push. And they had managed that epidural so I could feel when it was time to push, and I could feel how she and the nurse were telling me to like push here, right? Like use this, make this go. The pain was really intense but it wasn't suffering, like okay, I'm getting instruction. And as I was pushing I could feel that it wasn't going to work. I was like he's not, his head…I could just feel it. Apparently he was kind of coming and kind of going back up, like his head forward and back. And my midwife was like do I have permission from you to try and move his head? I think his head is not in the best position. And I said yes, and she tried to do it and she couldn't. Her fingers weren't strong enough and then she went to the OB and she told me this later.She said to him can you come and move his head? He'd been trained by midwives in the military, by the way, which is one reason his clinical skills are so amazing.Meagan: That's awesome. Okay.Rachel: Awesome. And at first he apparently was like, oh she's a VBAC, like I can't believe you're asking me to do this. And my midwife, again they trust each other right, and she was like the baby's doing great and the mom's doing great. I really think this is going to work. And he was like okay. So he came in, asked my permission, I said yes and he moved my son's head. My water had not broken again, right? So it's like the same thing as the first one. And once he got in position and I started pushing my water broke in an explosion all over my midwife. That's why they wear goggles, now I know. And she went and changed her clothes. I pushed for 45 minutes and then he came out.Meagan: Oh my gosh. Rachel: It was amazing and I felt so proud and I was completely depleted. I was so high and also so low. And I think what's amazing to me is that it was almost the same labor as my daughter, which just tells me that's how my body tends to do.Meagan: Your pelvis. And some babies need to enter posterior or even in a weird position to actually get down. So that can happen. Rachel: Thank you. And also my water didn't break until the very end so there was buoyancy to be moved, right? And again who knows what would have happened if I had been with this provider the first time. Like maybe these decels really meant that my daughter had to come out like then. That is possible. And that first team did not have the skills of the second team. None of this was even brought up, wasn't even a possibility. And I should say that first birth, I didn't even mention this. The OB that gave me that C-section, later told me that my daughter's head was kind of cocked when he took her out. Which suggests that it was just like my son. And how I'm grateful for my epidural. I'm grateful for, you know, all the things that technological kept me safe, but it was these skills of facilitating vaginal birth that made the difference for me to have that VBAC. Meagan: Absolutely. And the hardest thing for me is seeing that these skills are being lost. Rachel: Yes.Meagan: Or maybe it's not that they're being lost, they're being ignored. And I don't know which one it is. I really don't know because I see people using them. So I feel like it's got to be there. But then I go to other births and I'm like, wait what? You're not going to do anything to help her right here? Or you know, it probably could have been a vaginal birth if we had a provider come in and be like we have  a little asynclitic head, why don't we change into this position and let me see if I can just ever so slightly help this baby's head turn. It just isn't even offered. Rachel: Yes. Meagan: And that's something that I think needs to be added to questions for your provider. In the event that my baby is really low and coming vaginally, but is in a wonky position, what do you do to help my babys' position change to help me have a vaginal birth. And then even further what steps do you take past then if it doesn't work and my baby's so slow. Do we do assisted delivery? What do we do, let's have this conversation. So if it does come up, you're aware. Rachel: I love that. Meagan: I was going to say if your provider says, I don't know/I don't really help, then maybe that's not your right provider. Rachel: And I think what's so smart about that framing is that it's not putting the provider on the defensive of like, what's your training, right? Then it's like, what is your problem? But you're actually asking about their skills and you're asking about their approach, without coming from a place of seeming doubt. Just like, I'm just curious. Meagan: Yeah. Like what could I expect if this were to happen, especially if in the past. Say your C-section was failure to descend, mostly based off on position, we know that this is a big thing. But if your past cesarean was failure to descend, ask those questions to your provider. What steps can you take? What steps can we do together, you and I, to help this baby come out vaginally? Rachel: Totally. And I think also, that way, let's say the VBAC doesn't work out, you won't then be looking back over your shoulder and being like I should of/could of/why didn't I/if only. And you know, what do you want out of your birth experience? Well a lot, but part of it is a sense of peace. Right? That I did the best that I could. That my team did the best that they could.Meagan: Yes. Yeah and really interviewing your provider. Again, dating your provider and asking them the questions, learning more about them and what they do and their view. Taking out the yes and no questions and really trying to get to know this provider and letting them get to know you. I think it's just so impactful. I also, kind of like what you were saying with your first birth, also learning the other types of birth that could happen, you know learning about assisted birth. This is a new thing. Learning if assisted birth trumps a cesarean for you. Would you rather go for an assisted birth, even if it may end in cesarean, would you rather attempt that? Or would you just rather skip that and go right to the cesarean. Really educating yourself and trying not to push off the scary even though it can be scary. Rachel: Yes, yes. I love that you're saying this and I was just thinking about this and talking about this with a friend; there's stuff we hope doesn't happen. But not talking about it or thinking about it isn't going to protect us from it happening, it's just going to mean you're not prepared. Meagan: Yeah.Rachel: If it does happen. And yeah. Meagan: It's a disservice to ourselves. And it's weird. And it's hard to hear those stories. It's hard to hear the CBAC stories, it's hard to hear the uterine rupture stories that we do share on this podcast. Kind of what you're talking about the trigger warnings earlier, yeah it might be a trigger. It really might. But if we know all the signs of uterine rupture leading up to, we can be aware. And it's not something to hyperfocus on. We don't want it to be like oh my gosh I have this weird pain, right now, I don't know. It's not to make you scared, it really isn't. It's to just help you feel educated. Kind of what you were saying too. I don't know what a C-section looked like until I was in my own C-section. Rachel: Yeah. I've been talking about this recently with an anesthesiologist, some anti-anxiety medicine which you might get during a C-section, can cause memory loss. That's a side effect. So the time to decide…Let's say you're not planning on having a C-section. And then you're having a C-section and you're really anxious, really reasonable. The time to decide whether to take that anti-anxiety medicine which might cause memory loss; you should have an opportunity to reflect on that and talk about that  and think about that not only in the moment when you're scared and should I take it right now or not. Meagan: Yeah.Rachel: It's just like that's not a good way to make a decision, you know?Meagan: Yeah. And also learning about alternatives. Okay, these are the side effects of this medication, and I don't think I'm willing to accept that. So let's talk about other medications and those side effects so we can see if we can switch it up.  They have a whole bunch of things in their toolbox when it comes to medication. Rachel: Exactly. Meagan: For nausea. You know I had a medication and it affected my chest. It went all the way into my chest and I had to consciously focus on my chest moving. It was the weirdest feeling. Rachel: Terrifying, yeah. Meagan: I wish I would have known the alternatives to that. Right? So having these educated discussions, learning as much as you can. It's hard and it's scary and it's intimidating to not learn what you don't want. It's understandable, too.Rachel: Completely, completely. But that's informed consent, right? The risks, the benefits, the alternatives. And to go back to the anti-anxiety thing. You might be like okay, what could you do for me non-pharmacologically? Let's say I have a C-section and I'm feeling really anxious. Can I have a doula with me there who's giving me a massage? Can I have a doula there who's maybe put some lavender essence on a washcloth to hold to my nose. Can the anesthesiologist hold my hand and tell me it's going to be okay? And then you start actually opening up real options. Like wow I can have a doula with me?Meagan: Yes. That is something that I am very passionate about. We need to get doulas in the OR way more than we are. And I understand that it's like oh we don't have PPE, or oh it's an extra body, and oh it's a very big surgery, like I understand that. But I have been in the OR a good handful of times. And I understand my position in that room. I understand and respect my position in that room. And I always let an anesthesiologist know, if at any point something happens where I need to leave this room you just tell me. I will leave. No questions asked. But please let me be here with my client. Please let me stroke her hair. Please let me talk to her when dad goes over to baby so she's not alone. When you were put under general anesthesia to be there by your side, whether or not you were waking up in the OR. Because sometimes you could wake up sooner, or waking up in post-operative. Let's get these people here. Let's play music. Let's talk to them. Let's communicate the birth.I mean with my first C-section, they were complaining about the storm outside, they weren't even talking to me, right? And it would have impacted my birth in such a more positive light if I would have been talked to. And I wouldn't have felt like, what's going on. You know and all those things, you talked about it in your book. This drape that is separating us from our birth, it's just wild. So one of the questions we ask when you sign up to be on the podcast is topics of discussion that you would like to share, and one of those things is you said, why it's important to balance preparation for VBAC with an understanding of the systemic forces that promote C-sections. We're kind of talking about that, but do you have anything else to say on that? Rachel: I think that there is so much self-blame for having a C-section, when you wanted to have a vaginal birth. And go back to pain and suffering, that causes suffering. And it's heartbreaking to see that and to feel that. And when I think about it, I think what's important to keep in mind is like there are the particulars of your experience, right? Like your providers had the skills or didn't. They listened or they didn't. Your baby had decels or didn't. Like all that is real. And you're not the first or only person any of that is happening to. So why are we hooked up to electronic fetal monitoring, EFM, as soon as we walk into the hospital? Well that is because of how technology reigns supreme right now in every aspect of our society, but medicine too. And also that like it's an efficient system and medical birth, medicalized birth is all about efficiency and making as much money as possible frankly. Meagan: And there's even deeper history, we talk about that in our VBAC course, about why that was happening around cerebral palsy and what it actually did for cerebral palsy rates. All of these things. It's pretty fascinating when you get into it and understand one, why they do it and does it work? Does it make sense? They do it and just became practice and norm, but it did it actually impact the things that, okay how do I say this. Does it impact the things that they were originally creating it to impact? Rachel: Right. Totally. And it's actually the opposite; it was supposed to bring down the number of C-section rates, or the number of C-sections, when the number was like 4.5% in the early seventies and it's just gone in the opposite direction.There's so much evidence that you use it and it makes you more likely to have a C-section. And so yeah, okay, not your fault. That's the system. And I don't mean it in this way like, that's the system, give up, lay down, don't try to make your own feet, but also just to accept that that's what you're operating in and that's what your providers are operating in too. Right? Use it as a way to let go of the guilt and the shame and the, I messed up. My body messed up. Meagan: Yeah. Because there's so many of us that feel that. Rachel: Yes. Meagan: And it goes into the next topic they were saying that I think really can help us walk away with less of, I messed up. My body messed up. My baby failed me. You know whatever it may be. And doing effective research about the hospitals and their employment patterns and the chances of you even having a VBAC. That does kind of go into the balls in our court where we have to get the education and understand. But even when we do that, even when we don't have the best experience, in the end we're still going to look back at it as we did, WE did, the best we could. Right? And it takes less of that blame on us in a way because we know we did everything we could. Rachel: Yes.Meagan: And sometimes it just still happens. Even if you have the doula. Take the VBAC course. Read all the VBAC books, listen to all the podcasts, understand all the risks. Sometimes it still happens. Rachel: Totally. And I mean I think about in my case, like let's say my midwife hadn't come in for me and my OB hadn't been the one who had been attending that night, maybe I would have had a C-section. Because maybe the people there wouldn't have known how to effectively move my son's head. Even though I like did my best and that's okay. It has to be okay because you can't kind of change it. And again, not to be defeat-ist. But to find peace, just to find peace. Meagan: Yeah. I wish that for our VBAC community is finding peace and giving ourselves grace along our journeys. Because we've had 100's of podcast stories and there are so many of us who are still searching for peace. And still not offering ourselves grace, and putting that blame on us, or whatever, right? Everyone's so different and again, we talked about this earlier, it's just different. But I would love to see our community offering themselves more grace and finding more peace with their experiences along the way. And I don't exactly know what that healing looks like and how that peace is found. Do you have any suggestions on ways you have found peace with a very very very traumatic experience that not only led to trauma in that experience, but even in future procedures, in future experiences you know. Do you have any tips on just, guidance on finding peace? Rachel: I mean, I struggle with this still. And it sounds counterintuitive, but I think like not pushing away your feelings. And in the sense of not wallowing, but also not like struggling against them, trying to quiet them, make them be like ugh I hate this. Ugh I hate that I feel this way. Ugh if only I could get over it. So I'll say like, when I go to the doctor now, I get really scared especially if it's a new person and my blood pressure goes up and sometimes my heart rate goes up and it just sort of happens. And I hate it. And there are times when I'm like ugh I hate this part of me. I just hate it.But then when I'm kind of more accepting and it's like, this is how my body responds. It's understandable that this is how my body responds. And I take a Xanax actually. I say that to really take away the stigma I think that still exists around medical trauma and taking medication to manage your symptoms. I take a low dose Xanax before I go to see a provider and it helps me with my suffering. And also just like accepting. Because also there's this saying, if you struggle against the feelings of suffering, then you kind of suffer twice over. Right?Meagan: You do. Rachel: So I would say that, and then specifically for people who feel they had a traumatic experience, I've found EMDR treatment to be very effective, to deal with stuff in the body. That was pioneered more to deal with people who've been in like combat trauma, but it's very effective for traumatic birth. Tapping is another thing that can be very effective. And you can find that online, like there are different…Meagan: I was gonna say, you can go to YouTube and google trauma tapping or anything like that, and you can actually find some pretty great videos for free on how to do that. And it's pretty wild actually how well it works. Rachel: It really is. Meagan: Sometimes it's like wait, how is this working? It really does work. Rachel: Totally. And also I would say like in terms of again, peace, I think it's really important to speak openly about what has happened to you. And to the extent possible, we're conditioned to be like I'm just going to tie this up with a bow and it's okay. Someone says to you, you've expressed something hard, and they're like oh I'm so sorry and you're like it's okay, I'm going to be okay. Like you don't have to worry so much about reassuring your listener. You can be like yeah I had this C-section, and I'm still kind of upset about it. And yeah, that's how I feel. You don't have to self-qualify that. You know, but my baby is healthy. But I'm okay. But I love my baby. We do that; there's a lot of pressure to do that. And it's okay not to do that. It's okay to be like these are my feelings. And two things can be true at the same time. You can love your baby, and you can also be like I'm not that thrilled with the birth. Meagan: Awe yes. Julie and I have talked about that for years. They don't have to be separate. They can go together. You can love your baby and feel connected to your baby and really not like your birth experience. And you can also, we have found that people prep and then they have a vaginal birth and they're like I actually didn't really like that either. So you know, they don't have to just always be separate. You can be really happy and really be upset at the same time. It's okay to have those feelings, right? I have had things in my life where I've done something and I'm like dang. I really like how it turned out, but I hated the journey to getting there. And that's okay. So I love that you pointed that out. Rachel: Yes. or if you think about how you feel on your children's birthdays. So like I have very different feelings on my daughter's birthdays then my son's birthday. I had a good birth with my son. And it was good not because it was a VBAC, but because I was respected and I felt safe. That's what made that a good birth. Right? Just to be totally clear. I'm really glad I had a VBAC, I'm happy I got what

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