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Bonus Crossover Episode from Sound-Up Governance. For more info, visit http://www.groundupgovernance.com   TRANSCRIPT Matt Intro Hi everyone! This is Matt Fullbrook. It's been a LOOOONG time since I posted anything here on the OMG channel, and…actually I don't have any real updates for you. Sorry! I just wanted to let you know that there's some new content on the Sound-Up Governance podcast. I've just launched a short series of episodes based around a cool webinar I did last year with some experts in business design where we explored the connection between design thinking and good governance. Here's the first instalment. If you like what you hear, be sure to follow along at groundupgovernance.com    Matt Voiceover Welcome back to Sound-Up Governance. My name is Matt Fullbrook, and today we have the first in a short series of episodes that come from a webinar that I co hosted a few months back with my old friend Michael Hartmann, who's the Principal of the Directors College at McMaster University. He invited a couple of his friends to join us. Karel Vredenburg, who was the global VP of UX Research at IBM, and Tara Safaie, who's the executive Director of Health and Organizational Innovation at the design firm, IDEO. I've become increasingly convinced over the past few years that good governance is a design challenge. If you're familiar with my framing of good governance as intentionally cultivating effective conditions for making decisions and also familiar with design thinking, then you already know what I'm talking about. I honestly had no idea at first that I was talking like a design guy, but now I'm all the way bought in. Tara, Karel and Michael further reinforced this perspective in our discussion. But we'll get to that a bit later. Let's start first with some definitions. The first voice you'll hear is Michael, followed by Karel. Michael Hartmann I remember going out trying to introduce companies to this thing called design, and a lot of eyes would be like, blank, saying, what is this? 25 years later, 24 years later, it's ubiquitous. Design is everywhere. But as my colleagues will say, it's everywhere. Not done well. More often than not, we brought it into Directors College and for a couple of reasons. And we're going to explore those reasons. One, if you think about the core roles, responsibilities of board, CEO, selection, talent. Well, of course, strategy is a critical one. You know, setting the lanes for management, sometimes moving the lanes with management as well. But design is a really interesting way to think about strategy development and execution. I wanted Karel to maybe introduce some of the design. What do we mean by design? And for my colleagues around the table here, how can boards leverage design principles for better strategy? So that's a starting point, Karel, and maybe a question over to you. Karel Vredenberg Yeah, let's let me start. And some of the people that are listening, I'm sure have heard this story. If you were in my. In my session. But I love to share that I talked about design thinking at a university was an interdisciplinary lecture. The Dean of the business school said as a question later, said, we're all learning design thinking now. This is really, really good. Do we still need designers? I said, yeah, there's a difference between design and design thinking. And so the notion of design, that intentional process to research, ideate, and then actually create and then iterate on things that you're creating, whether it's websites, apps, products or services. That's sort of design and design thinking is really the, as it states the thinking, the, the way to actually take a perspective on a particular problem, to solve a problem in a, in a more intentional empathic, looking at all stakeholders and alike, more holistic sort of approach. And so that's how I see them being different. And the way that I've used design thinking in companies, both for typically the C suite I've worked with and, and then with boards, is really to open the aperture in ways that they've never thought before. There were a couple of instances where after I spent like a day and a half with, with them, they came up with a set of directions strategically where they realized that there were things that they came up with through this way of thinking that they realized there were certain things that were on their five year plan that were absolutely things they shouldn't be doing. And there were other things that were really simple to do but they'd never thought of them because they'd never used this design lens that now became their number one priority. So I think it's an incredibly powerful tool to be able to set strategy for an organization. Matt Voiceover Before getting to Tara's perspective, you'll hear her and eventually Karel refer to Agile. Now I'm no expert in Agile, so please forgive me if any of you listeners are experts and I'm messing something up. In short, it's a set of frameworks and practices originally designed for project management in software development that are rooted in certain priorities and principles. For example, it's more important to prototype, iterate and respond to change than it is to adhere dogmatically to a preset plan. Anyway, here's Tara's perspective on what human-centered design means for organizations. Tara Safaie Many of these approaches are a combination of pedagogy and methods and you know, certain steps that you're supposed to take. But they also introduce mindsets or ways of looking at and thinking about problems or context in a way that is different from how many organizations traditionally look at problems. So I think what's useful about design as a methodology, and you alluded to it, Karel, is that it often forces many organizations to think about their problems in a more human-centered way because you have to find a case for a desirable solution before you go on to actually making that solution a reality using more agile methods. Agile and design both have as part of their methodology iterative processes. So where you start in lower fidelity and progressively build your fidelity and an investment and things like that as you learn and as you fail and things like that. And so I think it's worth noting that while the methods themselves often yield great results and they are worth in many cases implementing in the right corners of an organization to yield the outcomes and the products that they can yield. And it's also worth noting where those mindsets that they're bringing to the table are most impactful so the two can be treated in conjunction with one another. And then to make them a more sustainable part of an organization's being, to make them really course through the bloodstream of an organization that requires much more kind of long tail change and a different type of approach integrating it into organizations where they're, where it's not present at the moment. Karel Vredenberg Hey, Tara, I want to just add one other thought to that and that is that of course, yeah, I always imagine it as if you think that you have this big canvas of what the solution was going to end up being. If you just do Agile, you'll start so say on the top right of that campus that solutions space. Right. And yes, you'll be able to iterate, but you're going to be roughly still in that top right quadrant of the canvas. Design thinking right at the front of it may well tell you that you really need to be in the bottom left to really serve the market. And that's whether products or services or work of a board where you want to think more deeply about what's the bigger picture view of where this company should go. Matt Voiceover So you'll already see an important intersection here with my framing of corporate governance as people making decisions in corporations, I the first and most important step in effective decision making is a clear definition of the problem we're trying to solve. As Tara and Karel are defining it, that's where design starts too. Okay, so let's start moving into some useful insights for boards. I mean the design world has in my opinion generally done a pretty poor job at helping boards to do their jobs well. With this in mind, Michael prompted our guests with a reminder that boards tend to be, well, risk avoidant. So how do we embrace design when that's our starting point? Michael Hartmann Board directors, when we query about innovation, one of the common feedbacks we get is we wish we could be more open to risk as opposed to de risking embracing innovation design. I also see that it's a really interesting way to kind of, you know, stress test and build a capacity for risk taking. And I don't know Tara, if you've got some thoughts on that. Tara Safaie Yeah, absolutely. A couple of anecdotes. One is that I think organizations that have really adopted design in a powerful way in their organization, have adopted the mindset that ideas are disposable. Matt Voiceover I just want to interject here. Imagine a world where we approached governance ideas as disposable instead of embracing them as orthodoxy. OMG, it's like a dream come true. Sorry Tara, you were saying... Tara Safaie They have right sized the investment that they put into an idea to the maturity of that idea. So what I see many organizations do, particularly my, my clients in the healthcare space, is that they are very quick to jump on the first couple of ideas that they come up with because they are so deeply expert in the area that they're working in. Like many of them have spent decades learning to be the professional that they are. That expertise gets translated into these ideas that when, when thrown into the thunderdome of the real world or of a patient's world, let's say, just don't survive the key shift that occurs with organizations that are able to adopt design mindsets, you know, kind of deeply in their organization and adopt the level of risk that it requires. Have learned how to test their ideas in low fidelity ways. And so where they are able to identify the most core assumptions that they're holding, maybe because their expertise has kind of put blinders on them, or they only work with a particular type of customer and they want to expand to a new type, they don't know that customer as well, whatever it might be, that they're a western organization designing for a non western customer base or a global south customer base, whatever it might be. And so they're able to understand what the most deeply held assumptions in their solutions are and then design tests to test those assumptions in low fidelity ways. You can't build certainty in any of the paths that you're taking, but you can build confidence. So your goal in any type of design exercise, and again, organizations that have internalized this, know this deeply, your goal is not to be certain. Your goal is to gain confidence. And so organizations that are testing their ideas in low fidelity ways are testing whether their assumptions hold. And as they build confidence, then build the confidence to slowly invest more and more as the stakes get, you know, the stakes get higher. They've invested more in the, in the back as well. And that allows them some of the agility, as we were talking about before, to then respond to a change in market context or a change in the competitive landscape or something else that might shift where those assumptions were tested initially. The risk profile that most organizations have does not necessarily preclude them from having low fidelity and therefore small investment, high risk things on the side. What they are not seasoned in doing is then transversing the space between that low fidelity and very low investment idea to the full fledged one. That's really going to require a lot of money. Karel Vredenberg Yeah, I would just add, I want to amplify something you said too, like the low fidelity idea. That's really a prototype, right. And what is a prototype precisely? It's, it's really a low risk way of exploring something. So people talk about, oh, you really should be increasing your, your, your failure rate. You learn from failure. And everybody, you know Silicon Valley loves to say that, right? Yeah, they love to say it because 90% of them fail. But in fact, if they did the kind of things that Tara and I are talking about here, doing just a small prototype, it might be a new way of working as a, as a board, let's say. And you want to just try that out? Well, you can just try it out in your meetings. That's a prototype. And then after, let's say you do, you know, sort of an off site or whatever, let's, let's see what that was like, get some feedback on it and the like as well. So it's this whole mindset of, of doing small prototypes that can fail. But you're not failing big, you're testing first, seeing if something's going to work. And then if it's going to work, then you can scale it up and do it across a whole organizational like as well. It's a fantastic, phenomenal way to de risk by taking risks. Matt Voiceover That's a wrap on the first episode in this series. Let me just say that this prototyping approach really works in boardrooms. I like to think of it as crafting a 1% intervention rather than a revolution. An intervention designed intentionally and specifically to increase the probability that we'll get a, a better result in some small part of our work together. Maybe it's a change to reporting or a shift in our agendas, or a new conversation prompt after a presentation or a different lunch caterer. Whatever it is, the consequence of failure is essentially zero and the potential for learning is high. Stay tuned for the next episode in the series coming up soon. And drop me a note to let me know what you thought of this episode. If you liked it, please consider spreading the word. Oh, and as usual, I've provided some notes on today's music on the episode post at groundupgovernance.com Catch you next time.

On Episode #96 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Grace Potter to talk about the release of her album “Medicine,” which has spent 17 years on the shelf. Alan reports on concerts by Nile Rodgers & Chic and the Doobie Brothers. In music news, Nick Jonas is cast as Paul Stanley in the Kiss biopic, Talking Heads release a new music video for an old song while David Byrne turns up on stage with Olivia Rodrigo, and we mark the passing of guitar legend Rick Derringer. Our new music picks this week include Joy Oladokun, The Beaches, El Michaels Affair with Clairo, and Molly Tuttle. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #95 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Matt Berninger, lead singer of The National, to talk about his new solo album “Get Sunk.” We recap John Fogerty's 80th birthday concert in New York City and the announcement of a new album. In music news, Taylor Swift gains ownership of all her music, Frank Beard rejoins ZZ Top, and AC/DC finish their US tour dates. The Pod Squad offers their thoughts on who should take over the drum chair for The Who, and our new music picks this week include CMAT, Turnstile, Olivia Dean, and the Castellows. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

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On Episode #94 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Peter Wolf, lead singer of the J. Geils Band, to talk about his new memoir, “Waiting on the Moon: Artists, Poets, Drifters, Grifters, and Goddesses.” In music news, it was a bad week for drummers—The Who fired Zak Starkey for a second time and Foo Fighters abruptly cut ties with Josh Freese. We have a listener review of concerts by Gene Simmons and Fantastic Cat and our new music picks this week include songs from Bono, Wolf Alice, and Noah Cyrus. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #93 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome James Walbourne, guitarist in the Pretenders, to talk about his new band, His Lordship. Alan reviews recent shows by Gillian Welch & David Rawlings and Jensen McRae, and we have a listener's recap of the opening night of the Katy Perry tour. In music news, The Who announce a “final farewell” tour, Metallica cause an earthquake, and Disturbed lead singer David Draiman proposes to his girlfriend on stage. You answer our Throwback Thursday question “Which songs give you the creeps?,” and our new music picks this week include songs from Matt Berninger, The Civil Wars, and the Marcus King Band.   We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #92 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Adam Duritz of Counting Crows, to talk about the band's new album “Butter Miracle: The Complete Sweets.” Mark reviews Alison Moyet in concert, and Alan has a recap of a Nick Cave & the Bad seeds show (in Ohio). In music news, R.E.M. release a new benefit EP, and once again, we lost two great artists this week—Jill Sobule and Mike Peters of the Alarm, a longtime friend of producer Roger Coletti, who offers his remembrances. Our new music picks this week include songs from Lucius, Car Seat Headrest, The Beths, and Kacey Musgraves. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #91 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome the legendary Elvis Costello, who is exhibiting his paintings for the first time and spoke about his upcoming tour and much more. We break down the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's just-announced Class of 2025, and listener April filed a report from Coachella. In music news, The Faces are working on a reunion album and legendary producer Roy Thomas Baker (Queen, The Cars) passed away. We report your responses to this week's Throwback Thursday question: Which musicians are better than their bands? Our new music picks this week include songs from FREDDY, Diplo, Clean Bandit, Lorde, Jensen McRae, Girlband!, and Sammy Hagar.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #90 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome rock icon Billy Idol to discuss "Dream Into It, " his first album of new material in over a decade. In music news, Bernie Sanders appears at Coachella, Drake adds the Super Bowl performance to his lawsuit, Alice Cooper reunites with his original bandmates, and The Who rehires Zak Starkey days after firing him. We report your responses to this week's Throwback Thursday question: What is your favorite song about space? Our new music picks this week include songs from Suicidal Tendencies, Michael Marcagi, Adrian Lyles, and Role Model. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #89 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Rock & Roll Hall of Famer Justin Hayward, former member of the Moody Blues, to talk about his new music and upcoming tour and the adjustments he made going from a legendary band to a solo career. In music news, we recap some of the big moments from the first weekend of Coachella—including Weezer playing a set following the arrest of the bass player's wife after a shoot-out with the police, Billie Joe Armstrong joining the Go-Go's on stage, and memorable sets from Lady Gaga, MIssy Elliott, and Benson Boone covering “Bohemian Rhapsody” with guest Brian May. We report your responses to this week's Throwback Thursday question: What is your favorite band logo? Our New Music picks this week include songs from Green Day, Bob Moses, Frou Frou, Pulp, Lexi Jones (David Bowie's daughter), and Ernest featuring Snoop Dogg. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #88 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Carrie Colliton, co-founder of Record Store Day, to get us prepared for this year's RSD coming up on Saturday. We discuss Elton John and Brandi Carlile's media blitz around their new album and Bruce Springsteen's announcement that he will be putting out a box set made up of seven unreleased albums. In the headlines, Dua Lipa plays some local favorites on tour, members of Ratt reunite, and we pay tribute to two legendary musicians we lost this week—Blondie's Clem Burke and Dave Allen from Gang of Four. We report your responses to this week's Throwback Thursday question: What is your favorite movie score? Our New Music picks this week include songs from Wet Leg, the Marias, Laufey, Lydia Night, LA Guns, and Lainey Wilson. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #87 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light catch up on a lot of news from the week in music. Alan reviews concerts by The Swell Season, Mumford & Sons, and Megan Moroney. In the headlines, Selena's killer is denied parole, Dave Navarro gets married (again), Morgan Wallen creates controversy on “SNL” (again), Dua Lipa wins in court, REO Speedwagon won't let Kevin Cronin participate in a hometown reunion show, and Will Smith returns with his first album in 20 years - so is it OK to like Will Smith again? We report your responses to our Throwback Thursday question: What is your favorite concert jersey? Our New Music picks this week include songs from Superchunk, Jeffrey Lewis, Hannah Cohen, Ke$ha, and Maren Morris. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #86 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome guitarist/songwriter Ricky Byrd—a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee as a member of Joan Jett & the Blackhearts—to talk about his new album “NYC Made.” Alan recaps the Grand Ole Opry 100th anniversary TV special, and in music news, Kiss announce a return to the stage, Taylor Swift breaks her Instagram silence, and the Jonas Brothers reveal a 20th anniversary tour. We report your responses to our Throwback Thursday question: What was your first outdoor concert? Pod Squadder Scott has a review of Inhaler,, and our New Music picks this week include songs from the Waterboys with Fiona Apple, LP Giobbi, ZZ Ward, Eric Church, and Sombr.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #84 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Neil Giraldo to talk about his spirits company Three Chord Bourbon, upcoming tour dates with Pat Benatar, and much more. Mark recaps his time hosting last week's ‘80s Cruise, which offered both musical highlights and genuine tragedy. Alan reviews the Love Rocks NYC benefit concert, which featured performances from the likes of Alicia Keys, Beck, and Cher. We give our thoughts on Lady Gaga's new album, “Mayhem,” and her appearance as host and musical guest on “Saturday Night Live,” and we cover the passing of Tony! Toni! Tone! founding member D'Wayne Wiggins. We share Pod Squadders' memories of their oldest ticket stubs and get a series of concert reviews from a listener in Houston. Our New Music picks this week include songs from I'm With Her, Dolly Parton, Chloe Qisha, Jonah Kagen, and Ingrid Andress. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #83 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome legendary actress and musician Amy Irving, to talk about her new album “Always Will Be,” a tribute to her friend Willie Nelson. Producer Roger Coletti reviews a recent NYC show by singer/songwriter Ike Reilly. We have a recap of music moments at the Academy Awards, and in music news, we mark the passings of three music legends this weekend—David Johansen, Angie Stone, and Badfinger's Joey Molland—and Neil Young's announcement that he will be launching his tour with a free show in Ukraine. We share Pod Squadders' memories of their first music posters, and our New Music picks this week include songs from Little Simz and the Head and the Heart. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #82 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Richard Bienstock and Tom Beaujour, authors of the new oral history “Lollapalooza: The Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival.” Alan reviews NYC appearances by Billy F. Gibbons and Jason Isbell and a preview the “Buena Vista Social Club” Broadway musical. We have news about Timothee Chalamet winning the SAG Award for his role as Bob Dylan, some Mariah Carey tour dates, a new Santana album, and the record-breaking ratings for Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl halftime show. We also say goodbye to the late Roberta Flack, and share Pod Squadders' memories of making mix tapes. New Music picks this week include songs from Fontaines DC, Avery Anna, and Franc Moody. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #81 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome KISS co-founder and Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Paul Stanley, who talks about his passion for painting and an upcoming exhibit of his art. We examine this year's newly-announced nominees for the Rock Hall, and look at this past week's special broadcasts honoring the 50th anniversary of “Saturday Night Live” as well as Questlove's new Sly Stone documentary. We pass along the Pod Squad responses to Throwback Thursday question “What was the first song you remember disliking?,” and our New Music picks this week include songs from the Lumineers, Ani DiFranco, Candi Staton, mehro, and the Velveteers. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #80 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome modern rock legend Bob Mould to discuss his upcoming album “Here We Go Crazy.” We dive into all the music of the Super Bowl, from Kendrick Lamar's controversial halftime show to the pregame performances and prominent songs in the commercials, and recap a Record Store Day event announcing this year's list. In music news, Netflix's long-awaited Prince docu-series is officially cancelled and the legendary David Johansen reveals his health struggles. We pass along the Pod Squad responses to the listener question “What are great guitar riffs in not-so-great songs,” and our New Music picks this week include songs from the Black Keys, Lady Gaga, Lisa with Doja Cat and Raye, and Michigander. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #79 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light recap all the events of music's biggest weekend, starting with the all-star FireAid benefit on Thursday night and culminating in Sunday's Grammy Awards. With the help of Shirley Halperin, Co-Editor-in-Chief of The Hollywood Reporter, we look at the highlights and memorable moments from those two mega-events, plus the MusiCares concert honoring the Grateful Dead and Clive Davis's pre-Grammy gala—and how it all played out against the backdrop of LA's recent tragic wildfires.On top of all that, Beyonce announced her “Cowboy Carter” tour, and our New Music picks this week include songs from Grammy winner Doechii, Momma, Lord Huron (featuring Kristen Stewart) and Tunde Adebimpe.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #78 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Damian Kulash, frontman of OK Go, to talk about the band's new single and first album in ten years, as well as their history of groundbreaking music videos. In music news, performers were announced for this week's Grammy Awards and MusiCares tribute to the Grateful Dead; Timothee Chalamet dug into some Bob Dylan rarities on “SNL,” and Aaliyah gets her own Barbie. Our new music picks include Sam Fender, Larkin Poe, Kesha, and mehro. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #77 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light dig deep into music news, with an update on the mega-benefit concert coming up to aid those affected by the Los Angeles fires, on Def Leppard's first performance of 2025 - without guitarist Vivian Campbell, recovering from cancer treatment - and lots of Bob Dylan news, including an auction of his manuscripts and memorabilia and his decision to join TikTok. Alan reviews a club performance by Jesse Malin, and a listener checks in from Tulsa with recaps of a concert and a movie. This week's new music picks include tracks from Mumford & Sons, My Morning Jacket, Jason Isbell, Coheed & Cambria, and the Wiggles! We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On Episode #76 of “Sound Up!,” Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Rick Springfield to talk about his experiences in the Los Angeles fires and about his upcoming “Greatest Hits, Volume 2” collection. Mark reveals how his own visit to LA last week was impacted by the fires, and we take a look at the ways the disaster is affecting the music community, from the Grammy Awards ceremony to preliminary plans for a benefit concert. We respond to some email questions from the Pod Squad, and our new music picks for the week include The War & Treaty, Blondshell, Shakey Graves, Bishop Briggs, and Beach Weather. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

Head to http://www.groundupgovernance.com for more   TRANSCRIPT: Hi everyone, this is Matt Fullbrook and I'm back on the Ground-Up Governance platform after a long absence and I've got a new idea. If you're listening to this on a mainstream podcast platform and don't know what I'm talking about, head over to groundupgovernance.com and just start putting poking around. It's the only place you'll be able to check out this new idea, at least for the time being. So, long story short, I created Ground-Up Governance with the amazing Nate Schmold. He's the illustrator who effectively made this whole thing worth following. After a couple of years, Ground-Up Governance became too hard for both Nate and me.    Don't get me wrong, this is for sure at or near the top of the pile of most fun and gratifying things I've ever worked on. But it's so much very difficult work and it got to the point where each new post felt like it was less important than the previous one, but no less difficult or time consuming. Then we both got distracted by other professional and personal things and, well, lots of time passed. So here we are. Sorry about all that.    Just so you know, Nate and I are starting to work on what I hope will turn into another large scale and super fun project. Time will tell on that one. Anyone who follows Ground-Up Governance will be the first to know. In the meantime, I have a cool thing that I want to try out. I'm going to put out new episodes of the Sound-Up Governance podcast, but make them a little bit more like the format of my One MinuteGovernance show.    What I want to do is have conversations with interesting people in the corporate governance space. But instead of turning the recordings into long and heavily edited podcast episodes, I'm going to, you know, grind them up into smaller bits. Get it? I expect each episode to be somewhere in the 3-7-ish minute range. I'm also going to use them as an opportunity to craft some music. Some of it might be kind of janky because I'm not going to have a ton of time to put into it, but the goal is to have different music for each episode, even if some of it is kind of embarrassing or unfinished.    This whole thing is going to start off with someone Ground-Up Governance followers will already know: my awesome friend Andrew Escobar, who's an experienced corporate director, a big governance thinker, an open banking nerd, and one of those obnoxiously thoughtful, generous and fun dudes. He and I had a conversation recently that I think will make up the first 13 or 14 episodes of this project. I'll post the first two on January 20th so be sure to subscribe before then to stay up to date. If you like what you hear then please be bold and let me know. I'm only interested in making content that you find useful, fun or otherwise worth checking out and I only know if you think it's worth checking out if you let me know. You can like or comment on the posts or send me a note privately or whatever else you want. And if you have ideas for people who might make good guests or if you might make a good guest that would be helpful too. I'll remind you about all this when the time comes. Just be prepared to send a thumbs up or down my way so I know how you feel for now. Happy New Year and thanks for listening. It's really exciting to be back at Ground Up Governance. See you in a couple weeks. 

On Episode #75 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Michael Imperioli (“The Sopranos,” “The White Lotus”) to talk about his band ZOPA and the new single “A Still Life” from their upcoming album, “Diamond Vehicle.” We take a look back at the music headlines over the holidays—including Beyonce's NFL halftime show and the opening of the Bob Dylan biopic “A Complete Unknown”—and look ahead to the most anticipated albums of 2025. In music news, Flavor Flav took a turn as a sports mascot and Neil Young announced plans for both an unreleased album from the ‘70s and a new record. New music picks for the week come from Sault, SZA, Best Friend, and Bleach Garden.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

Episode #74 of Sound Up!, the final show of the year, is a dive into the mailbag, where Pod Squad members sent Mark Goodman and Alan Light questions on a wide range of topics—favorites from 2024, predictions for 2025, some Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inquiries, best interviews, concert etiquette, and more.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

Episode #73 of Sound Up! is the second of our two special year-end retrospectives. This time, Mark Goodman and Alan Light focus on the best songs, biggest albums, and defining artists of 2024, including their choice for the Artist of the Year. We consider the commercial and creative powerhouses, from Beyonce to Billie Eilish, as well as breakthroughs and comebacks by the likes of Chappell Roan and The Cure. Plus, we look at the remarkable figures the music world lost in 2024.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

Episode #72 of Sound Up! is the first of two special year-end retrospectives. This time, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Madison Vain, digital director of Esquire magazine, to look back at the biggest, most shocking, jaw-dropping music stories of 2024. Together, they discuss scandals and triumphs from the Diddy case to the Eras Tour, the Oasis reunion to the Kendrick/Drake beef, from the breakthroughs of Chappell Roan and Charli XCX to the flops from Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry. Plus, a quick look at some of the memorable responses to our latest Throwback Thursday social media question: What was your first concert? We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

In episode #71 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome singer, songwriter, and Foo Fighter Chris Shiflet to talk about the new season of his guitar-centric podcast “Shred with Shifty,” including an episode featuring bandmates Dave Grohl and Pat Smear. We review the upcoming official Led Zeppelin documentary, and in music news, Jay Z is accused in the Diddy case, Nicko McBrain retires from Iron Maiden, Matthew Sweet gives an update after suffering a stroke, and Taylor Swift finishes the Eras Tour. This week's New Music picks include Lucinda Williams, Sky Ferriera, Slash and Duff, and Thursday.   We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

In episode #70 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome singer/songwriter/actor Yola to discuss her new music and her recent starring role on Broadway. Roger recaps the all-star Jesse Malin benefit concert with guests including Elvis Costello, Lucinda Williams, and Little Steven, and we have a listener review of HBO's Yacht Rock documentary. In music news, AC/DC announce US tour plans, Elton John faces a health crisis, Snoop Dogg and Sting revisit a Police classic, and The Cure have a live album on the way. This week's New Music picks include Bright Eyes, Yuna, and Runaway June.     We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

In episode #69 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Carrie Colliton, co-founder of Record Store Day, to talk about this week's Black Friday event and the state of vinyl. Alan reviews Taylor Swift's penultimate Eras Tour stop in Toronto and the new “Beatles ‘64” documentary, and Mark reports on the Soulshine benefit concert in NYC, headlined by Dave Matthews Band and Warren Haynes. In music news, Drake announces a new tour (launching the same day as Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl appearance), Coachella reveals the 2025 line-up, and Fleetwood Mac will be getting its first-ever comprehensive documentary. This week's New Music picks include Kendrick Lamar, Al Green, Matt Nathanson, Tunde Adebimpe, and Father John Misty.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #68 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light host a live panel of Sound Up Pod Squad members to discuss two significant topics: the 2025 Grammy nominations and one of the year's biggest issues, dynamic ticket pricing. Hosts and guests dive deep into the Big Four Grammy categories, sharing their picks for Album of the Year, Song of the Year, Record of the Year, and Best New Artist. Then, they take a closer look at ticket prices and access, exploring the advantages and challenges of dynamic ticket pricing. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #67 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome author Rob Sheffield to discuss his new book “Heartbreak is the National Anthem: How Taylor Swift Reinvented Pop Music.” Mark reports back from The Sands, where he saw Rick Springfield, Bret Michaels, Level 42, and many more. In music news, the 2025 Grammy nominations are revealed, Chappell Roan drops her management, and Zach Bryan faces domestic scandal. We get two live reviews from our Sound Up! Pod Squad - David Gilmour at MSG and The Cure in London. Plus, this week's new music picks feature tracks from Imogen Heap, Jamey Johnson, Will Swinton, Lucius, and Griff. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #66 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome legendary photographer Lynn Goldsmith to discuss her latest book, Patti Smith: Before Easter After. In music news, we discuss Oasis cracking down on ticket resales, Young Thug getting out of prison, Ed Sheeran winning a big court case, The Cure performing a three-hour record release show in London, and Jell Roll dropping 100 pounds while touring. We get two reviews from our Sound Up Pod Squad, one of The Cure's new album Songs of a Lost World and another of Morrissey live.This week's new music picks feature tracks from Dorothy, Chena, Cleo Sol, and Paul Simon. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #65 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Jesse Malin to discuss the all-star benefit album “Silver Patron Saints,” his new single, and his ongoing recovery from a spinal stroke. Alan describes his night judging Taylor Swift karaoke, and Pod Squad listeners review Cyndi Lauper and Conan Gray. In music news, we recall the passing of Liam Payne and Phil Lesh and talk about the reaction to Alex Van Halen's memoir and the Concert for Carolina benefit. This week's new music picks feature tracks from Sade Adu, Lone Justice, Soccer Mommy, Beth Hart, and the Black Keys with Alice Cooper.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #64 of “Sound Up!,” it's our first-ever live audience event, recorded at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame on the day of this year's induction ceremonies in Cleveland. Mark and Alan hosted a gathering of our Pod Squad listeners, several of whom joined us in the studio to offer thoughts and insight about their favorites from the Class of 2024. Greg Harris, President and CEO of the museum, also came by to offer some insight on the weekend's events, the process, and updates on the Hall of Fame's future. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #63 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Myles Kennedy to discuss his new album “The Art of Letting Go” and his ongoing work with Alter Bridge and with Slash. Alan reviews Stevie Wonder at Madison Square Garden and Mark gives his take on the Tony-winning play “Stereophonic.” In music news, the Cure announce their retirement plans, Motley Crue take over the Sunset Strip, and “Saturday Night Live” was full of music from Stevie Nicks, Ariana Grande, and an Oasis spoof. Our new music picks this week feature tracks from Maggie Rogers, Jacob Collier, Dream Theater, the Blue Stones, and Trauma Ray. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #62 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Dave Pirner to discuss writing and recording Soul Asylum's new album “Slowly But Shirley,” reuniting the band with producer Steve Jordan. Mark reviews Soul Coughing live in New York, while a Pod Squad member reviews the new Tragically Hip Documentary: No Dress Rehearsal. In music news, we discuss Garth Brooks being accused of sexual assult, Taylor Swift's money milestone, Lady Gaga's LA secret show, and the controversy surrounding the hit Broadway play Stereophonic. Our new music picks this week feature tracks from The Warning, Lizzy McAlpine, Eric Church, and Man/Woman/Chainsaw.  We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #61 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome singer/songwriter Rachel Platten to discuss her new album “I Am Rachel Platten” and the intensely personal journey behind her new songs. We pay tribute to the late Kris Kristofferson, and Alan has concert reviews of shows by Neil Young, Jelly Roll, and Sabrina Carpenter. In Music News, Courtney Love becomes a grandmother, a member of BTS is arrested for driving a scooter after drinking, Oasis announce North American tour dates, and Arnel Pineda is sticking with Journey. Plus we offer our new music picks of the week, including songs by The Cure, Stevie Nicks, Dashboard Confessional, Willow, and Clean Bandit. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #59 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Dhani Harrison to talk about his new concert film, “Innersoundstage,” and other projects including the latest George Harrison reissue. Mark reviews an ELO concert, Alan saw the upcoming Pharrell Wiiliams documentary, and listeners offer their thoughts on shows by Weezer and Bruce Springsteen. In Music News, we discuss Diddy being held without bail as he awaits trial, Jay-Z bidding on a New York City casino, and Arnel Pineda's time with Journey possibly coming to an end. Plus we offer our new music picks of the week, including songs by Jane's Addiction, Body Count, Bones UK, and Neon Trees. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

On episode #59 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Chris Carrabba of Dashboard Confessional to talk about his new music and tour, how his motorcycle accident changed his writing process, and the legacy of emo. We have concert reviews of St. Vincent, Peter Frampton, Keane, and Jane's Addiction - whose on-stage fight and tour cancellation leads this week's music news, along with Bruce Springsteen's historic Asbury Park show and Pink Floyd potentially selling their catalog. Plus we offer our new music picks of the week, including songs by the Linda Lindas, Snakegang, Soccer Mommy, Suki Waterhouse, and Raye. We want to make you part of the conversation. Leave us your comments via text or audio message at connect@sounduppod.com https://www.instagram.com/sounduppod/https://twitter.com/sounduppod

Mark Goodman, one of the five original MTV VJs, joined the show. MTV turned 43 on Aug. 1. Mark also has a podcast, "Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Allan Light," available wherever you get podcasts. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FLW Special - Purple Rain at 40           In this very special episode, we celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of the film “Purple Rain”.  The overwhelming success of the movie made Prince the first artist in history to have the same project simultaneously #1 on the singles, albums, and movie charts in the United States.           We speak to one of the foremost Prince experts; author and podcaster Alan Light.  Alan talks about the creation of Purple Rain the song, the album and the movie.  He also reveals… How the version of the title track that we're all familiar with was recorded in one take at a fundraiser. It was also the first time that 19-year-old Wendy Melvoin had played with the band. Movie executives didn't want to cast Prince in the lead role, and suggested much more famous star (who would have been badly miscast!) How Prince tried to recruit Stevie Nicks to help with the lyrics for “Purple Rain” - and why she said no. How the movie has held up well (for its live performances) and been held up to ridicule (for its acting performances and misogyny). Prince's tenuous relationship with Morris Day & The Time – and his greatest musical regret. Alan Light is the prolific author of many music biographies, including his books about Tupac Shakur, Nina Simone and The Beastie Boys.  He also collaborated on “My Cross To Bear”, the Gregg Allman autobiography and Peter Frampton's “Do You Feel Like I Do”.  Other books include “The Holy Or The Broken” – a great history of the Leonard Cohen masterpiece “Hallelujah”; and of course, “Let's Go Crazy: Prince and the making of Purple Rain”.   Alan is also the co-host of the “Sound Up” podcast with his good friend Marc Goodman.

Long-time nominating committee member, writer, and podcaster (Sound Up!) Alan Light joins Joe & Kristen to discuss '70s rock god and live album phenom Peter Frampton. He also co-wrote the man's memoir "Do You Feel Like I Do?" This show is part of Pantheon Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sound Up!! No seriously this episode came out a little quiet so you might need to turn your sound up. But if you do, oh boy! It's a potpourri episode that dares to ask, Why do you smell like ketchup? We've got questions about a partner thinking you smell weird, the proper way to tell off a toddler, and dog etiquette (which actually comes up twice, so maybe more of a pooch-pourri, amirite?)

Sound-Up Governance now available on mainstream podcast platforms: https://pods.to/soundup   TRANSCRIPT Hi everyone, just a quick announcement that I've removed the paywall on the Ground-Up Governance platform at groundupgovernance.com. Mostly what that means is that the Sound-Up Governance podcast is now available for anyone to hear without a subscription. Sound-Up Governance is a longer form interview podcast featuring lots of quirky corporate governance personalities, people you wouldn't usually come across if you're a regular consumer of mainstream governance content. If you prefer to listen to your podcasts on the typical podcast platforms like Apple Podcasts, or Spotify or whatever, search for Sound-Up Governance now and subscribe. Every week we'll release an episode from the archives until we're caught up. The other change around here is that the weekly definitions and illustrations that we've been putting out on Wednesdays here on OMG are going to migrate to sound governance. If you've been enjoying those, then you've got one more reason to subscribe. Thanks so much for following along. I'm super excited to share even more cool corporate governance content

On this week's UnHiNgEd EpISoDe!!!!!! we're gossin' 'bout Lizzo's incredible tribute to the late, great Swiss musician Tina Turner, how Holden cannot stop watching a traumatic video with SOUND UP, Pedro Pascal got a wicked eye infection from recreating THAT scene with fans during photo ops, P7 is staunchly Team Barbie over Team Oppenheimer, so MUCH GUUUUUSHIN' about The Ultimatum: Queer Love, and in Celebrity Conspiracy Corner; Was the 2011 film Jack and Jill a front to rescue Katie Holmes!? Finally, we have a list full of method actors who went TOO FAR, saucy blinds and SHOOUTTTSSSSS Page 7 and Wizard and the Bruiser are going on TOUR! Dates and links to tickets at lastpodcastnetwork.com Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast

Segunda-feira, 8 de maio de 2023. Eu sou Leo Lopes e está no ar o décimo quarto episódio do Castnews, o podcast semanal de notícias para podcasters. Aqui você ouve, toda segunda-feira pela manhã (e mesmo no feriado de dia do trabalho!), um resumo das principais notícias sobre o mercado de podcast no Brasil e no mundo. Os mais recentes relatórios de consumo de podcast, a resenha de James Cridland sobre o Nomono Sound Capsule e o novo mecanismo de pesquisa do Pocket Casts estão entre as principais notícias que você vai ouvir nesta edição do Castnews! Notícias: 1 – E vamos começar essa edição com uma notícia diretamente ligada às possibilidades da produção de podcast, o que é indispensável pra quem produz podcasts corporativos. Pois bem, a gente já sabe que a liderança dos canais de construção de marca pertence ao audiovisual, especialmente o áudio. Mas se você só vê o podcast como uma peça iniciadora de conversa ou geradora de leads, um novo relatório da plataforma Audacy propõe que você pense diferente. A pesquisa “Fuel the Funnel” – ou, “Alimente o Funil” em português – reuniu algumas informações valiosas e inesperadas, como por exemplo: a porcentagem dos leads gerados com podcasts tem quase o mesmo valor da conversão do ouvinte. O que isso significa, na prática? Que o número de pessoas que adquiriu algum produto ou serviço anunciado em podcasts de marca, é quase o mesmo número das que o podcast conseguiu atingir. Ou seja: ouvinte ouviu, ouvinte comprou. Se esse comportamento se refletir no mercado brasileiro, a gente tem um nicho muito maior de publicidade em podcast pra explorar nos próximos anos. Ler a notícia completa 02 – E não é só isso que a gente tem pra falar sobre relatório não. A agência Otonal Inc. de Tóquio fez uma pesquisa extensa sobre o consumo de podcasts no Japão: a Podcast Report in Japan. Para chegar nos resultados do relatório, eles entrevistaram mais 10 mil homens e mulheres entre 15 e 69 anos e estimaram que mais de 16 milhões de pessoas ouvem podcasts lá na terra do sol nascente. Os jovens são o público que mais consome podcast; a maioria dos ouvintes é composta por homens que têm menos de 20 anos. A plataforma preferida pelo público foi o Spotify, com 41% da preferência, seguido pelo Apple Podcasts com 22% e Amazon Music com 19%. Diferente dos jovens, os idosos que consomem podcasts preferem ouvir seus programas preferidos em seus respectivos sites. Mas é claro que a pesquisa tem muito mais informação, e você encontra ela na íntegra lá no nosso portal do Castnews. Ler a notícia completa Ler segunda notícia 03 – Estão abertas as inscrições para o Concurso de Podcasts da Folkcom 2023, a Conferência Brasileira de Folkcomunicação. A Folkcom é um evento acadêmico que tem o objetivo de reunir pesquisadores e estudantes interessados no estudo da comunicação popular, ou seja, a forma como as pessoas se comunicam e compartilham informações na sua cultura e cotidiano. Vão ser aceitos podcasts que tenham sido produzidos e publicados a partir de julho de 2021 cujos temas tenham ligação com culturas populares, sejam elas rurais ou urbanas. O prazo das inscrições vai até 15 de julho, e a premiação vai acontecer dia 17 de agosto em Cachoeira, na Bahia. Mas é podcast raiz, viu? Não vão ser permitidos podcasts sem feed ou que só estejam disponíveis em vídeo. Se você quiser ler mais sobre o regulamento para fazer a sua inscrição, corre lá no nosso portal em Castnews.com.br , onde você vai encontrar todas as informações. Ler a notícia completa AINDA EM NOTÍCIAS DA SEMANA: 04 – A gente volta a falar mais uma vez sobre o “vai-e-vem” que tem acontecido há meses no Spotify. Depois da demissão em massa de 6% da força de trabalho e dos desligamentos de executivos importantes da plataforma, agora é o vice-presidente e chefe global de audiobooks Nir Zicherman que vai deixar a empresa depois de mais de quatro anos de contrato. Ele afirmou que está saindo para retornar às suas “raízes empresariais com um novo projeto no espaço de startups”. Vale lembrar que o Zicherman, além de ter sido escolhido como chefe global de audiobooks no Spotify, também foi co-fundador do Anchor. Diferente dos últimos desligamentos da empresa, a de Nir Zicherman não foi uma demissão, então o Spotify está procurando alguém pra substituí-lo. Ler a notícia completa 05 – E o Pocket Casts atualizou sua função de pesquisa. Pocket Casts que é um dos melhores agregadores de podcast, que sincroniza a sua biblioteca, sua posição de audição em todas as plataformas, inclusive é o que eu uso há muitos anos. Agora, os usuários podem pesquisar episódios em todo o diretório de podcasts, e não só em podcasts individuais. A empresa migrou seu banco de dados para o Elastic Search, melhorando os tempos de resposta de pesquisa e permitindo novos recursos de pesquisa por texto. Além disso, a plataforma agora está buscando por mais campos do conteúdo dos podcasts, o que significa que mais podcasts são encontrados em cada busca. O Pocket Casts está empenhado em apresentar o melhor resultado possível, e por isso está pedindo feedbacks pros usuários. Se você quiser dar a sua opinião, pode publicar direto no fórum de suporte da empresa, onde eles estão de olho em tudo que os clientes estão falando. Ler a notícia completa E MAIS: 06 – Você lembra da Sound Capsule da Nomono que a gente falou aqui no episódio oito? Aquela que levou um prêmio da South by Southwest® na categoria áudio? Então, temos review dela lá no site. Mas não foi a gente que fez a review não: quem testou e atestou o produto foi ninguém menos do que o James Cridland, do Podnews. Ele descreveu o dispositivo, testou os quatro microfones sem fio do kit, avaliou a qualidade e o ganho das gravações, deu a opinião dele sobre a complexidade da operação… E a gente, é claro, traduziu tudo lá no portal. Desde os elogios do James ao design até o descritivo da qualidade do Nomono Sound Capsule, você encontra tudo em português no Castnews, ou em inglês no Podnews.net . Ler a notícia completa 07 – E se você estava sentindo falta das entrevistas do Castnews com grandes nomes da nossa indústria, eu tenho boas notícias. Nessa semana, a Bruna Yamasaki entrevistou o jornalista Rodrigo Alves, idealizador e produtor do podcast “Vida de Jornalista”, que há cinco anos retrata os principais acontecimentos e os bastidores do jornalismo brasileiro. O programa está colocando no ar a nova temporada, chamada “Perfis”, que traz em cada episódio uma personalidade relevante do jornalismo e uma cobertura profunda do trabalho dessas pessoas. Na entrevista o Rodrigo fala bastante coisa legal sobre o projeto, e vale muito a pena conferir ela na íntegra. Ler a notícia completa HOJE NO GIRO SOBRE PESSOAS QUE FAZEM A MÍDIA: 08 – O apresentador e comentarista da UFC Joe Rogan, famoso por ter um dos podcasts de entrevista mais famosos do mundo, o “The Joe Rogan Experience”, pode estar às vésperas de ter seu programa oficialmente cortado pelo Spotify.  A especulação começou na semana passada, quando o CEO do Spotify, Daniel Ek, declarou que a empresa estaria tomando mais cuidado com os investimentos excessivos em podcasts originais. Com essa declaração, o público lembrou que o contrato de 200 milhões de dólares de Joe Rogan deveria ser renovado nos próximos 6 meses, o que levou o Spotify a se pronunciar dizendo que esse contrato NÃO ESTÁ para ser renovado. A empresa não deu mais qualquer detalhe sobre o assunto. Será que Joe Rogan está, oficialmente, cancelado? Lembrando que ele é uma figura polêmica que já zombou de pessoas com deficiência, questionou a biossegurança das vacinas contra Covid-19, usou termos racistas (n-word), fez comentários transfóbicos… Enfim, tudo isso no podcast. Se ele realmente estiver sendo cortado pelo Spotify, não dá nem pra dizer que não sabe por quê. Vamos acompanhar. Ler a notícia completa SOBRE LANÇAMENTOS: 09 – A influenciadora brasileira Bruna Gomes, que tem mais de 6 milhões de seguidores no Instagram, lançou o podcast em vídeo PodBru em comemoração ao quinto aniversário do seu canal no YouTube. A Bruna, que tem um público juvenil e adolescente, explicou em uma entrevista que criou o videocast para ser um lugar onde ela vai poder usar uma linguagem mais adulta, e ao mesmo tempo gerar diversão e descontração para seu público mais jovem. Os episódios irão ao ar todas às terças-feiras, às 15h no Brasil, e vão ser gravados com transmissão ao vivo, do mesmo jeito que eu faço há anos no Rádiofobia, pra que as pessoas possam participar e dar feedback em tempo real. Então se você faz parte do público que consome esse tipo de conteúdo, tem link pra você lá no portal do Castnews. Ler a notícia completa 10 – Na última quinta-feira, dia 4 de maio, foi lançada no Spotify a primeira temporada do podcast original “Las mujeres valientes: Guií Chanáa”, apresentado por Nayelli López, que nasceu na comunidade Triqui de San Martin Itunyoso, no México. O programa é o primeiro podcast a ser disponibilizado nos idiomas espanhol e triqui. 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This is the last crossover episode between OMG and Sound-Up Governance, a new podcast on the Ground-Up Governance platform (www.groundupgovernance.com). In this one, Matt Fullbrook speaks with Lisa Oldridge, a Performance Strategist in Calgary with expertise in governance, ESG, and investment in startups. Lisa helps us to explore the differences between what makes a good company good and what makes a good business good, and shows us that the people are what matter most.   Matt Welcome back to Sound-Up Governance. Today's episode is the companion to the third edition of the Ground-Up Governance newsletter, which provides definitions for business, company and customer. I know I frequently use the words business and company as if they're interchangeable, even though they're often pretty different. That's fine. Of course, if I say business when I mean company, it doesn't hurt anybody or even confuse anyone too much. But still, I thought it'd be fun to talk to someone who could really help me to understand what makes a good business good, and how that's different from what makes a good company good. And of course, all of this is tied up with the needs, wants, hopes and fears of the customer. So I called my friend Lisa Oldridge, who describes herself as a performance strategist. She works with companies and boards of directors on governance, strategy, ESG performance, and more. Oh, and ESG stands for environmental, social, and governance and refers in general to stuff that's not directly related to money. Not only that, but she's the investment director at The 51 Ventures, which invests money in disruptive female-founded enterprises. Plus, in addition to being a corporate director, and a bonafide a governance nerd, she has also spent a big chunk of her life in institutional equity sales, portfolio management and research. So in other words, Lisa's spent a lot of time and energy being curious about what a good company or a good business looks like, and whether those companies or businesses are worth putting money into. And that's exactly where we'll start. When Lisa is on the outside, looking in, what gets her excited about a business, or maybe a small company that only sells a single product or service. Lisa  So there's tons of problems out there. Whether or not it needs to be solved is another question. And often you see with founders, if you're talking about really teeny companies, you know, you've seen the typical entrepreneur, they're like, "Oh, my God, we got to solve this problem!" But it's really actually not a problem for that for many people, you want to see that there's a problem that exists, and they've come up with something that will solve this problem. It doesn't have to be like the optimized version of it. You've probably also heard about MVP, Matt  MVP, or minimum viable product, or, as Lisa puts it, Lisa  We also call it the shitty first draft of whatever it is, but you probably have a bit of traction there. IP is a big one IP or thought capital or moat Matt  “Moat",” you know, just like a moat around the castle. It's something special about a business that makes it tricky for someone else to intrude on your territory by making it expensive or difficult to copy your technology, for example. Lisa  And then competition, and actually it's a bad sign when you see that there's no competition, because it's usually especially if you come in and you see a founder or group that are pitching and they're like, "oh, yeah, no, we kind of, we've come up with the thing, but nobody else has!" A, it's probably not true. And B it just gives you a sense of their capacity for understanding future pivots and the market etc. Anyway, so that's more maybe a commentary on their character or their abilities or behaviors. Matt  There's so much interesting stuff in what Lisa just said that it might be worth rewinding, 10 or 15 seconds just to hear it again. It made a huge lightbulb go off for me. To Lisa, an entrepreneur's understanding of their business can provide an important glimpse inside their character. We'll get back to that in a sec. I wanted a better understanding about this idea that creating something new with no competition might not be all it's cracked up to be. I mean, we've all heard the term first mover's advantage. Isn't that a thing? Shouldn't it be a good thing to be the first one to come up with an idea? I even said to her, "Lisa, I'm trying to do something new and fresh in governance. Am I messing up somehow?" Lisa  Let me ask you this. Why is first mover advantage? The answer to everything? It's not! I think there's a presumption sometimes "Oh, I've seen somebody else with that. Therefore, it's not going to work. Right?" I think value proposition is the thing that you're selling or bending or creating or innovating on, it's as much where and how it lands as what it is. I had a mentor that that told me, a guy that I worked with, he was awesome. He was like, "Oldridge, the difference between being early and wrong is nothing!" Right? Even ideas that are completely original, still do have competition. And so I guess it's not a red flag to me if someone hasn't figured out who the person who's also doing... I don't know. lavender striped pogo sticks, but who's doing pogo sticks and who's painting toys, lavender. And so what does that look like? Because it also tells you about the customer! One thing that we one thing that I do see is novelty, almost taking precedence over will this actually be used by more than a few people, right? I would rather see a concept or like somebody innovating on a proven thing or direction or widget, but doing it in such a way that's original in the sense that it's adding more value to the end customer. Matt  So even for someone like Lisa, who studies companies at their earliest stages, looking for the coolest new ideas, the biggest opportunities for innovation and investment, there might not be a difference between being first and being wrong? It made me think of the songs or books or art that I love the most. Sure, there's something fresh and original about them, but they also, you know, give a sense of familiarity. Building on what came before them. Sorry, I'm getting a bit abstract here. But the insight for new businesses is pretty profound. Before we go too much further, Lisa use the term "value proposition." It's one of those terms most of us have heard before, but what does it mean exactly? Lisa  And value proposition it's business canvas, it's like the middle of it, like the jelly in the donut! It's what your product or service or widget or thing does for your customers to make things better, or to make them feel like things are better. Matt  And this is how the customer ties into all this. A good business doesn't have to be completely new, it just needs to make the customer feel like things are better than they were without whatever product or service the business offers them. But let's get back to what Lisa said earlier about the character of the leaders involved. We know she looks at the competitive landscape, the value proposition and so on. But what else is she looking for Lisa  The leadership and the team attributes. You know, are they dedicated? Do they have the horsepower and the grit and all that good stuff? And then I would probably single out the CEO or the founder, like the person who's in charge, as almost like a separate thing, because the earlier the stage of the company, the less actual crunchy information you have. And you're looking for leadership attributes, but then also just you know, the whole humility and brains. Matt  All of this started to make so much sense. Sometimes from the outside, we can't really see the nuts and bolts that show us the potential of the business itself. So we need to rely on what we really can judge: character, humility, brains. So I wondered if the potential of a person matters so much, could a great leader maybe offset concerns about a bad business or a bad company? In other words, to someone like Lisa, what matters more the person or the business? Lisa  Could you have, you know, like a superstar person with a not so great company? And what's better that or the inverse? And definitely the former. And that works all the way up with a you know, with with large organizations, I think probably even moreso. A great business with someone at the helm, that's not great, will eventually run out of momentum. You could still make money. In the meantime, though. Matt  Whoa! We'll take on A founder with a B business over the inverse. In fact, a great business with bad leadership is at best a way for an investor to make a quick buck before the business dies. And you know, what's extra cool? In some cases, emphasizing the people side can create special superpowers for the company and the business. Lisa  If you're talking about a business inside that company, or a vertical inside a company, or product line, or some kind of an offering. More often than not these days, you're talking about a bunch of people in a company that do a thing. And it's maybe different to the rest of the things that the company does, right? One of the organizations that I sit on the board of has had the situation where, you know, they did a raise, and then they acquired this business unit. And it's really cool hearing about the first couple of days about where it was like, "Okay, you're here because we want you not the thing, but we want YOU!" And over and above that being a good acquisition on paper, can you imagine what that did to the sense of, you know, engagement, and therefore performance, of the company, etc, etc. So it's like, and it doesn't require a lot of investment. It's not like somebody had to write a big check after the fact sort of have these people come on and be super excited about coming into work the next day. Matt  And there you have it, right from someone who's in the middle of it, studying, assessing, developing and buying businesses and companies and thinking about customers and value proposition, competition and all the other things that can influence whether an idea will succeed or fail. What excites Lisa the most? Character, humility, brains, the people who run these businesses and companies. And emphasizing the importance of those people can further supercharge the organization's performance. In the next episode of Sound-Up Governance, I'll speak with Nick Chambers about communities and stakeholders. He's an executive search professional and governance expert who specializes in purpose-driven organizations. Thanks for listening.

Today's episode is the second of three crossover episodes with Sound-Up Governance, a new podcast that's part of the Ground-Up Governance platform (www.groundupgovernance.com). In this one, Matt Fullbrook speaks with Lieutenant Colonel Jamahl Evans of the United States Marine Corps about what duty and accountability mean in his world.    TRANSCRIPT: Matt  Welcome back to Sound-Up Governance. One of the most common conversations I have with boards of directors and senior executives is about to whom they owe a duty. On the surface, it seems like a simple question, but most of the time, everyone in the room has a different idea of what "duty" even means. So the question of where your duty lies takes a lot more work to explore than most people expect. And when you add in the difference between duty and accountability, plus when and to whom you can delegate duties and accountability. Let's just say it gets tricky, fast. This week's guest is Lieutenant Colonel Jamahl Evans of the United States Marine Corps. In addition to his extraordinary military career, Jamahl is also a corporate governance enthusiast. As you might imagine, duty and accountability are baked pretty deep into everything that goes on in the Marines. But before we dive into that, I'll let Jamahl explain exactly what his job is because it's pretty neat. Jamahl  I am currently a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Marine Corps. And what I do in the Marine Corps is financial management. I'm a financial management officer. That's what we call a Military Occupational Specialty, or MOS for short. In that capacity, I'm responsible for the planning and execution and oversight of my command's budget. Now, that's just the MOS piece. As I like to tell my Marines, your MOS is your job. Marine is your profession. So for me, my profession, and my first duty is being a Marine. And that means ensuring that my Marines and I are deployment ready and combat capable at all times. The section that I manage - my full title would be Assistant Chief of Staff, G-8 Comptroller - so that's a section and we've got about 14 Marines in there. So those are the Marines who are directly responsible and accountable to me to make sure that we're doing our financial management functions properly. Outside of that, external to us, are adjacent staff sections, and subordinate commands within the organization with whom we have to work to manage resources: make sure that we're that we've got enough resources and that we're using the resources we have properly. Matt  Now, I'm going to assume that many of you listening are as ignorant about the hierarchy of the Marines as I am, where exactly does the rank of Lieutenant Colonel fit in the organizational chart? Jamahl  So as a Lieutenant Colonel, I'm what's called a field grade officer, and there are three levels to that. So it's Major, which is what I was before, Lieutenant Colonel, what I am now, and Colonel, what I aspire to be promoted to in future. Beyond the field grade ranks, are the General or the flag officer ranks, so Brigadier General, Major General, Lieutenant General and Four Star General. So right now I am, what you would consider - although I'm senior to several other ranks - I'm still right smack in the middle of the of the officer and organizational hierarchy. So every promotion, you're getting greater responsibility. And they are also greater opportunities to which you can be assigned. So as what's called a company grade officer - those are junior officers: lieutenants, and captains - you're going to have significant responsibility already. When you become a field grade officer. What's interesting is, now you are a little further away from the junior Marines, and a little more responsible for organizational management. Beyond just making sure your Marines are trained, making sure they're taken care of making sure they're showing up on time and doing their job, now you are responsible for really understanding organizational policies, regulations, understanding what the what the mission of the organization is, and how your unit relates to that and ensuring that happens in the best way. Matt  Before our interview, Jamahl already knew that we were going to talk about duty and accountability. You'll notice that so far, he's being pretty careful not to use those words, instead referring to "responsibility." I nudged him a bit on that and asked him to tell me to whom he's accountable in his job and whether that's different from his duty. This is where things start getting really interesting. Jamahl  So to whom I am accountable in the immediate, that would be my commanding general. That is the senior officer who runs the organization. It's a Major General who runs Second Marine Division. So that is the first officer to whom I immediately accountable because it really is his budget that I'm managing. It's not me making solo decisions. It's not Lieutenant Colonel Evans going "I feel like buying this!" No, it is based on the mission of the organization and the intent of my senior leader, which would be my commanding General. So that's the immediate accountability portion of it. Broader, or writ large, when I think about to whom I'm accountable, personally, there is, first of all, the Constitution of the United States. We actually take an oath as officers, and our enlisted Marines take an oath as well. But we take an oath and in our oath is the Constitution of the United States. To support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So that wraps up the nation, and accountability towards the nation. My authority and my mission come directly from the President of the United States, so I'm accountable to the President of the United States, as well. Then you have United States citizens: the American people are truly the shareholders because it's their tax dollars I'm managing. It's their tax dollars, for whom my senior officers, President, Congress, we're responsible for that. So we do have to take into account and I've done it on several occasions where there were decisions that I had to make when working with partner nations. And I had to make tough determinations because I am managing taxpayer dollars. Matt  Okay, whoa. We're still only talking about accountability here and already for what's essentially a middle manager in a huge organization, Jamahl is accountable to his boss, and the President of the United States, and every taxpayer? Seriously? And if you thought the complexity would stop there, you were wrong. Let's add duty into the mix. Jamahl  You would think 20 years in the Marine Corps, I've got a good solid understanding of duty. And I did I had a good personal understanding. Then I got curious about well, what is the actual definition of duty? And the definition I came across was "a legal or a moral obligation." And I didn't, while that's true, I didn't feel that was the full story. And think when when it comes to duty, there is an intangible step of building a sense of duty. We can understand what duty is, but there is a step of building that within an individual. Some individuals just come to the organization with it. Some individuals don't. And I would say that the short answer to your question: Duty is having the knowledge, feeling, belief that you should do what you're supposed to do to the best of your ability, because that's the requirement. Accountability is a bit more on the reactive side. It's how do you explain what you've done? How do you take responsibility for what you've done? Who else shares in that responsibility? So that's where I would see the difference. I would see duty as being a bit more on the front end of actions and accountability on the back end. Matt  Okay, wait, pause. This is amazing stuff. If you're anything like me, you think of the Marines as being the definition of tangible structure, discipline, order. I mean, if you ask me for the first word that comes to my mind, when you say the word "Marines," it would probably be "duty." But now I'm hearing that duty is something almost soft and squishy, something that comes from the inside, rather than being imposed on you from the outside. Am I hearing that right? Jamahl  And that was the second thought that I had, after I considered how I would define duty. The second thought being, well, how do you instill it? How do you ensure it? How do you develop it? How does it come about? Like you said, there's some external factor that plays upon you to help build a sense of duty. And the thing I thought about was, okay, well, if I were in an organization, what would help drive my own sense of duty? Because I came to the Marine Corps with a sense of duty. And I thought of one thing or a multitude of things, but I keyed in on one thing that I think helps build that. I think the principles of an organization can drive a sense of duty, and that's your external thing that comes into play. And how it works is when when people see your principles, and I don't care if it's in a slogan or motto anything, there's got to be a connection. And the connection that has to be established is: I either possess the characteristics of those principles already, or those are principles that I want to possess, I want to display those. Matt  So cool! It's like duty, this thing that the dictionary defines as a legal or moral obligation, might actually be more of a special sauce, where the ingredients are a person's internal drive character and beliefs, plus the purpose and values of their organization. So I wondered: if accountability is basically a set of responsibilities imposed on a person by an external or organizational structure. And duty is something that comes more from inside you, there must be lots of ways that duty and accountability could come into conflict. Like if your moral duty and beliefs make it hard to carry out an order from your boss, for example. In a case like that, what is Jamahl hope his Marines will do to address the conflict? Jamahl  In my office, I have established with my Marines, we do not use the word "hope". And they find it interesting they find it, you know, they find it funny. But we all know that it's a common theme in the Marine Corps, that hope is not a course of action. So when you talk about anybody who's having kind of a dilemma, or a conundrum, I don't have a hope for them. What I do is engage to see what kind of actions we can take to improve the situation. So to answer your direct question, the first thing is, there historically can be dilemmas between what the organization needs to do and how they need to do it, and what the individual thinks about it. So the first thing, which is one of the foundations, is that a Marine does not have to follow an unlawful order. So if you, as a Marine or as any service person, believe that an order you've received is unlawful or illegal, you do not have to do it. However, if an order is lawful, you might not agree with it, you might have a personal feeling, but you're still going to do it, you have a job to do. And if you've been given given a lawful order, then you execute! Now here's where the development comes into play, to minimize the dilemma that you hypothesized. As we grow within our organizations, it's on the mid-level and senior leaders to ensure that there's quality understanding, quality training, quality conversation, quality voice, making that time for your junior personnel to ask you those tough questions. And I tried to get my Marines to ask tough questions early on. That way they can experience and understand a glimpse that what your perspective is, at your level doesn't encompass the entire picture. And you have to understand that there are threads between what you functionally do and what we organizationally decide. Matt  Like most important things in life, this is a complex problem. When duty and accountability collide, or when your personal beliefs are in conflict with what your organization asks of you, sometimes you have to, you know, just trust your boss and do the work. But Jamahl is also telling us that it's important for organizational leaders to give their team a voice, a platform, and an opportunity to better understand how they fit into the bigger picture. But again, we're hearing something that kind of doesn't match my own perception of a military organization where everything is super structured, and everyone has to do the same things at the same time. You know, predictable and repeatable. How can you have both that and an environment where everyone has a voice and some influence and problem solving? Jamahl  Senior leaders have to create space for that to happen. If you're running a completely robotic organization where people just do a thing, and there's no room to either question, consult, understand, develop, grow, then you're going to have people doing robotic things. No military can be at its best when it's just "do the exact thing that I tell you and that's it," because you will have a group of people who will do one thing and will stop. So just like any other organization, we do need to increase the bandwidth for creative thinking, innovative thinking, especially when it comes to problem solving. So those types of behaviors that we want everybody doing the same way in the Marine Corps, we want everyone to be in shape. We don't even want it, we need it. That's a requirement. You're required to be in shape. Two months ago, I ran three miles. I don't like distance running, though I do it as well as I can...I do pretty good. But we want our Marines staying in shape. We want our people healthy, and not just physically healthy, mentally, and emotionally healthy. So it's on again, senior leadership to engage and be aware that that's happening. Shifting over to the behaviors where we want to expand and have that bandwidth to learn and to grow. That's where your innovation piece comes in. Where we want Marines thinking about developed solutions to problems, branch scenarios. "What would you do?" is a great question. "What would you do?" It's a very easy thing to sit down with your personnel and go over a scenario, something that happened in your career, "Hey, this, this happened. What do you think you would do in this situation?" You have that conversation. The next step, in that is the daily activities, daily tasks, daily operations, giving your people that space to make decisions at their level. Matt  It surprised me a bit to hear Jamahl talk about the importance of not just physical health, but also mental well-being in the Marines. But now that I think about it, it really shouldn't have surprised me at all. It can be an extraordinary, stressful and dangerous job. And it made an impact on me to hear him talk about it as part of the duty of being a Marine. The duty to care for your own physical and mental well being, but also that of the people around you. How does that actually play out in the real world of the Marine Corps? Jamahl  When you place a focus on engagement, treatment, development, recovery, and then success, you establish a continuum that's understandable by your junior leaders. One of the things I think the Department of Defense is great at is messaging the need to be aware. Messaging the need to be aware and see signs. And we've had a lot of messaging over the years. But it's something that is important, because we're talking about the health of the organization. So what gets a message down to mid-level and junior leaders is "here are different signs, things that you should be looking for. If you've never had to deal with this before. Here's something that could trigger in your mind a something might be wrong." I have had the experience of walking past a Marine and getting a greeting, they say "Good morning, sir." I'll say "Good morning." And sometimes I'll say "how are you?" A lot of people don't like that greeting because you really just say it and you pass the person and you go. But about three times in my career I've said good morning to a Marine and I've looked and I said "how are you?" And they will respond with "fine" or "okay". And it's just something in the eyes. And three times I've had to pull the Marine aside and say, "seriously, I know I'm not your commanding officer, you don't even know me. But are you good?"And then those three instances I've hadn't read, say "no." So then I would stop what I was doing, call whomever I was going to meet whatever meeting I was going to say, "Look, I can't make it, I have a situation." And I'll take that Marine into the office. Now sometimes that results in one hour, two hour conversations. But so long as that Marine leaves with something functional to get them to the next step. I'm not going to cure everything. I'm not trained to cure everything. And I don't have the time to cure everything. But what I can do is show you where the door is, and open it and say, "Look, you can step through that door. If you can do nothing else, you can step through that door, because we may be side by side, fighting against an enemy. And I gotta know that you're good." And it's not just for junior members either. It goes for our senior members, and I'll share one more story when I've worked... I was a Major and I worked with a Lieutenant Colonel. He was he was my Commanding Officer and I was his Executive Officer. And I noticed the level of stress that he was fighting. He wasn't losing it or anything like that - he was completely capable. But you can see fatigue in people. One day I heard him come on deck. And he was walking his office was after my office. That way I catch all the people that want to try to go and see him. So I hear him walk into his office, and about three or four different Marines approached him with a with an issue, something they had, "Sir, this or that." So they walked by my office. I said, "Sir, do you have a moment?" And the way he normally did it he would just say "yes." But you could see the fatigue in his eyes. So he came in, I said "Sir, do you mind if I close the hatch?" And he said, "not at all". So you close the hatch - for your listeners a hatch is a door. Naval terminology -  and he sat down on the couch in my office, and he said, "What do you have?" And I said "nothing, sir, you just looked like you needed to have a time when nobody's asking you to do something." And he smiled and looked at me, he goes, "You up for tacos?" I said, "Yes, sir." So we went and had lunch. So sometimes we have to look out for senior leaders in the same way to look out for junior people. So it just, it just takes compassion, awareness and engagement. Matt  There it is! Even in an organization as structured, complex and disciplined as the United States Marine Corps., Sometimes it's important to just go and have tacos with your boss. I learned so much from my conversation with Lieutenant Colonel Jamahl Evans and we covered a lot more ground than what you heard in this episode, so you'll hear more from him in the future. If you have a question, story, or insight you'd like to share, please send a note or a voice memo to soundup@groundupgovernance.com, and we may feature you in a future episode. On the next episode of Sound-Up Governance. I talk with performance strategist, investment guru and corporate governance enthusiast Lisa Oldridge about businesses, companies, customers, and how they all fit together. Until next time.

Today's episode of OMG is actually a crossover with a new podcast, Sound-Up Governance, which is part of the new Ground-Up Governance platform. Episode 1 features an interview with Tiziana Casciaro, author of Power, for All: How it Really Works, and Why it's Everyone's Business. If you like what you hear, please consider heading over to groundupgovernance.com and subscribing.   SCRIPT The next three episodes of OMG are gonna be REALLY different. Well, actually, they're not episodes of OMG at all, but episodes of a brand new podcast called Sound-Up Governance, which is part of my new Ground-Up Governance platform. Sound-Up Governance features interviews with experts who don't necessarily come from the regular pool of corporate governance “gurus” so to speak. Instead, they are experts in stuff that's really important to doing corporate governance well, and can help us to understand what's really going on in our organizations. First up is Professor Tiziana Casciaro, who literally wrote the book on power and authority. If you like what you hear, head over to groundupgovernance.com to learn more and consider subscribing.   Matt  Welcome to Sound-Up Governance, part of the ground up governance network. My name is Matt Fullbrook. And in today's episode I speak with my friend Tiziana Casciaro, Professor of Organizational Behavior at the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto. We launched the Ground-Up Governance newsletter this week with the most fundamental concepts in corporate governance: authority and power. I mean, what could be more essential to corporate governance then trying to understand who's allowed to do what and what it takes for one person to influence another person? Luckily for us, Professor Casciaro, recently co authored a book with Harvard's Julie Battilana called Power for All: How it Really Works, and Why it's Everyone's Business. And just so I don't mess anything up, why don't we let her tell us a bit more?   Tiziana  It's a book intended for all in this world, not only in Canada, not only the US, but really, truly everywhere, who have contended with power, have struggled with it been frustrated by it, while understanding that it's important for them to have it, and know how to use it. And we have tried to give tools and understandings that allow people to grow in their influence, but also learn how to deploy it for good.   Matt  It never much occurred to me to think very hard about what power really is, or how, if at all, it's different from authority, or why, for example, people in really visible or influential positions sometimes fail to make a difference, am I missing somethingZ   Tiziana  Power is often very much confused with authority, or or I should say, authority is often confused with power. They are different, however. Authority is the formal right to issue orders and directives and make decisions. And it comes from the position you occupy in a formal structure. So your role puts you in a place where you get to make certain decisions. Power is different, however. Power is the ability to influence the behavior of other people. And you can influence them sometimes through your formal authority. If I have the right to decide whether you're going to be promoted or not, that gives me power over you. It's not just authority, but it's actual power. Why? Because you want something from me: a promotion. I have control over your access to this thing you want because I have the right to decide whether you will be promoted or not. And therefore I exercise influence over you. That's what power is made of. It's made of controlling your access to something you desire.  But you see, already in the definition of power, that I may control, access to something you want without having formal authority.   Matt   So can a person create power? Does that even make sense?   Tiziana  Absolutely makes sense. A person can increase their power, if they understand this simple principle of where power comes from. If I know that power comes from controlling access to resources you want, all I need to accrue more power is understand what is it that you want. And that's where people become very confused between the notion of formal authority and the power broadly conceived, formal authority has to do with something very specific. I have certain decision rights in a certain context over certain things. But that covers only a small part of what you might want, you might not just want a promotion, you might want for instance, to be managed by somebody who understands you, that understands your gifts, your talents, your complexity as a human being, values it and makes you feel good by giving you a platform where you can be your best self every day at work. Those are much more psychological resources, that are not written down in any formal organizational structure. They are much more subtle, and yet they are extremely important to people, they drive who they want to associate themselves with, whether they I want to be led by you or not, whether I will trust the decision you make. And even if you make a decision through your formal authority, and the decision comes at me, your actual underlying power - so,  your ability to influence my behavior - will come down to how willing am I to execute on that decision?   Matt   Okay, now we're really getting somewhere. No wonder some people have authority, but still can't get anyone to do anything. Power isn't only about controlling access to tangible resources, in some cases is way more important to just make someone feel good, feel valued and motivated. Since Ground-Up Governance is ultimately about corporations, how does all this apply in a typical corporate structure with a board, a CEO...in other words, a model that's got a well defined, built in leadership hierarchy. Once again, here's Professor Tiziana Casciaro.   Tiziana   The problem of the hierarchical structure you're describing is that it tends to concentrate power in the hands of very few people. And what we know from research in all kinds of disciplines is that power concentration tends to be bad in the long run, not only for the majority of people who don't have power, and therefore are just on the receiving end of the decisions of the few. But it can also be detrimental to the few in power, to the extent that having that much control can lead them to abuse their power. They lose sight of their unilateral capacity to shape the life of others and the other people who are receiving these decisions. Sometimes they become resentful of this asymmetry. And for good reason, if they're not unreasonable in becoming resentful. And when you have resentful people that you're leading, it's not good. Because they might push back, they do push back, the moment they have a little bit of room to show you that you're abusing your power. And I don't like it.   Matt  Uh oh So, concentrating power at the top of an organization sounds risky. What about a board of directors? How do power and authority work there?   Tiziana  So, you are a director on a board. And and because of that role, you will have certain rights to issue directives for the company and its leadership, and jointly with the other board members, you can come up with certain decisions that then presumably get implemented. So imagine one of these board members that in addition to the formal authority that accrues to them, by virtue of occupying that position on the board, they have something else going on for them. Maybe they have extra good connections to a stakeholder that the management of the company cares about, or that the board cares about. And they have to go through me to get to those guys in that stakeholder groups. In that case, I will end up having more influence over the decisions of the board and the behavior of the executives that leave the company, because I've got something that they want. And I control it in the sense that there aren't many alternative ways for them to get to those stakeholders, they kind of have to go through me.   Matt   It almost seems like part of the problem is the way that boards are structured, I asked Professor Casciaro if we should be trying to build boards so that every director somehow has an equal amount of power. I mean, maybe that would be the ideal condition for making good decisions and balancing everyone's interests.   Tiziana  The reality is that resources are unequally distributed across each and every one of us. And it's unavoidable that you will not have the quality you're describing on the board. But what you can do is to create decision making processes that make it harder for people to go off and establish relationships of influence that are disconnected from the goal that the board is presumably pursuing. So you can have decision making structures where it's one board member, one vote, that you have a way to express your preferences that does not allow easily for you to be swayed by others, which could protect you from their influence when it stems from things that have nothing to do with a decision at hand.   Matt  All right, so maybe it isn't possible to distribute power equally, but we can just use processes that balance things out a little. That's what we should be working on right?    Tiziana   But then you lose something when you do that. When you create a structure in which the decision is made almost independently by each board member, what you lose is the learning and the ability to engage with ideas other than your own that can actually and actually do oftentimes improve decision making. I can come in with my own independent judgment, which is all fine and dandy because it becomes not subject to your undue influence as my fellow board member. But I don't get to hear your argument, I don't get to really make my own decision better, because I don't get your input. So that's what what you're the tension, you're juggling here, you're navigating this pull toward independence, but also want to secure the beauty of multiple minds, struggling with a complex decision, where each and every one of us individually, cannot really understand every component.   Matt   We've learned how authority and power are different, and that people can in fact, take steps to generate power. We've all heard about the potential corrupting effects of power socially - morally, even - can we take steps to, you know, use our power for good?   Tiziana Ultimately, you're going to have to contend with what you have done with your life. What have you impacted? What are you leaving behind? And this is a level of insight into yourself that sometimes escapes us when we are in the middle of the action. We are the CEO of a company, complex stuff coming at us from every which way, and we kind of forget that actually, we want to accomplish something here. In addition to being rich and famous. We want to accomplish something other than that. So it's very important for people to understand that there are many goals you can accomplish. And power is essential to accomplishing all of them. You cannot get anything done without power. It's a form of energy in many ways that allows you to change the world around you, and move it in a direction you think is worthwhile. So you have to empower, for lack of a better word, people to acquire the power they need to pursue those objectives. And sometimes the people that have formal authority are not the right people. They're not pursuing the right objectives anymore. Maybe they started out with dreams and ambitions that were perfectly good and constructive, but along the way they lost sight of them. So the book tries to give everybody an opportunity to understand how power works so that they can acquire it, and then set up their power - and this is something that boards actually are very important contributors to - set up their power so that they don't get lost along the way. Because power does go to our head. It does. It does contaminate our purpose. It does distract us from our limitations and our need for other people to help us along the way. It makes us hubristic, it makes us self focused. So you need to not only give people tools to acquire power, but also give them tools to keep it in check.   Matt   Thank you for listening to episode number one of Sound-Up Governance. The fact that you're listening means you're a Ground-Up Governance subscriber. So thank you sincerely for your support and engagement. Next week, I'll speak with Lieutenant Colonel Jamahl Evans, Sr. of the US Marines as we work through our next batch of words: accountability, delegate and duty. If you want to reach out with a question or insight or an interesting story, send an email or voice memo to soundup@groundupgovernance.com. And we may feature you in a future episode. Thank you for tuning in. See you next week.