Noise Of The Broke Boys

Bboy Thread, also known as Chia from his Real Estate Podcast and Youtube channel, Chia Talks, sits down to discuss his past life as a breakdancer in the infamous Airsteps crew from Sacramento, California. He discusses his rise in the Hmong bboy community, battles, and the competitive scene. He also, talks about how breaking helped him in his real estate endeavors. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 045 FAKE BATTLES, REAL ESTATE! - Noise Of The Broke Boys W/ Chia Talks AKA BBoy Thread W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Kid Konflict, a former member of the Legendary DSD1 crew and current member of Fallen Kings discusses his rise to fame and glory through hard work and dedication. He digs deep into the love of battling, testing his skills, and building his arsenal. This episode is pretty long but he drops some gems. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 044 YOU SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED! - Noise Of The Broke Boys W/ Kid Konflict W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Young King AKA King Wavy comes on the podcast to discuss his come up as a bboys and rapper. We discuss the influences of hip hop on his life, the importance of open minds and judging, and compare and contrast music and dancing. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 043 KING WAVY GOT'EM GOING CRAZY - Noise Of The Broke Boys W/ King Wavy W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Surf Boogie is a bboy, hip hop dancer and popper. He has a very holistic approach to dance with and old school ear for flavor. We talk about the differences between breakdancing and popping and the art of battling in this episode. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 042 SURF LIKE A YOGI - Noise Of The Broke Boys W/ Surf Boogie W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Is, AKA Dae Dae, is a bboy from the infamous breakdancing crew, DSD1, and musician representing the group The Dance Band. He is also an important innovator of the airchair freeze. We discuss fame, hardwork and get a bit goofy reminiscing on past battles and events. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 041 Whip Your D**K Out And Get FAMOUS - Noise Of The Broke Boys W/ IS W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Dibs is a bboy from the CA Bay Area representing the legendary Renegades Crew. We discuss the weird moments in the dance scene and how it helped shape the art form, and joke about how Hip Hop has been shaped by the wildness of the early days of breaking. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 040 Get NAKED and be WEIRD - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ Danny Dibble W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Dante is a long time bboy representing Cloud 9 Tribe from the California Bay area. He is also the Host of the Why Date Podcast found on youtube and all podcast streaming platforms. We talk about his longevity in the breaking scene, controversial judge callouts, and how to officially cancel yourself for clout. He is also a firearms practitioner and talks about shooting tournaments. Check out the Why Date Podcast: https://whydatepodcast.com/ Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 039 BATTLE THE JUDGES AND CANCEL YOURSELF - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY DANTE W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. Donate to the Podcast: https://www.noiseofthebrokeboys.com/donate   All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Zodiak is a breakdancer, lifelong retro video game enthusiast, and the host of the CLAIMSHOW GAMESHOW on twitch and youtube. We talk about his crazy stories including getting arrested in Mexico and using his breaking skills to escape, and his history as a gamer. He breaks down what a claimshow is how and how he has turned his hobby of digging for retro video games into an interactive sales game show on his twitch channel. This guy is a dope bboy and a super interesting person. We have a lot of fun on this episode. Please enjoy. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 038 JERK OFF JAMS IN JAIL - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY ZODIAK W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Phatso aka Just Fresh of Just Fresh Productions, sits down to ponder the competitive breaking scene and how it can be tailor made to better fit into the traditions of hip hop. He also discusses entrepreneurship, and the hard work it takes to be successful. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 037 HOW TO BE A BBOY ENTREPENUER - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY PHATSO W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

The legendary bboy Vietnam of Rockforce Crew discusses his creative process and his connection to religion through his art. We go deep on Religion and its connection to the hip hop art world and how it translates to everyone's life. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 036 FINDING SPIRITUALITY - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY VIETNAM W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

BBoy Kornnut speaks about his humble beginnings in Hip Hop and longevity as a breakdancer. He also talks about his health struggles and the frame of mind and clarity it has given him. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 035 HEALING THROUGH HIP HOP AND LONGEVITY - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY KORNNUT W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Livic sits down to go deep into the philosophy of breaking. We talk about the motivations of various traditions in the culture of hip hop and discuss what true hip hop really is. This episode is long but well worth the listen for the amazing conversation and questions being asked. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 034 PHILISOPHICAL INVESTIGATIONS IN HIP HOP? - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY LIVIC W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy C-Note of the world famous Floor Gangz crew, sits down to discuss his upbringing and struggles, all while putting forth the message of hard work and belief in yourself. He is the founder of Break Bred, an organization that aims to bring Hip Hop culture to the youth. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 033 BE YOUR OWN #1 SPONSOR - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY C-NOTE W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy LX and Bboy Dummy joke about their come up as dancers in the Sacramento, CA Bboy scene. They talk about Dummy's rise to fame through internet memes and his unique skillset as a heavier dancer. They also talk about Hmong culture and the intersection of it with Hip Hop culture. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 032 LEARN HEADSPINS MY FAT BOYS! - NOISE OF THE BROKE BOYS W/ BBOY LX AND DUMMY W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Munch sits down to discuss his come up as a dancer. He talks about the struggles and realizations that dance has helped him come to. We have an interesting discussion about mentorship and the importance of it in everything we do.   Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 031   BBoy Munch - Flexible Flave and Mentorship   W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate   Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboys Twitter: BrokeBoysNoise   Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys   A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Chuy and Michael Schools sit down to discuss their long history in hip hop as both bboys and djs. Both hailing from Mad Action Crew, a huge inspiration of mine from Modesto, CA. The get into the weeds of about the future of breakin and where they predict the scene goes in the next 10 years. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 030 Chuy & Michael Schools - Supreme Beat Selectors - Mad Action Crew / HIT Squad /El Supreme Kartel W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate  Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms.All The Links Here:https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys  A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Ant is a dope bboy from Sacramento, CA representing Brothers of War crew and Fallen Kings. We talk about the importance of crews in the hip hop scene and what a good creation process feels like when training. He talks about his come up in the breakdance scene and how it shaped his style. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 029 BBoy Ant - A Brother of War W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast.Peep the full album on Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate  Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms.All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys  A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Knowbody, an amazing hip hop dancer from Sacramento, CA. He has represented crews such as Press PLAY, Flexible Flave, Fallen Kings, Academy of THUGS, Second Nature, and Peace Makers, and now the owner of The GREATHOUE OF DANCE. This guy is one of the most musical dancers I know and has taught countless dancers that have gone on to appear in large productions with the Jabbawockees and Cirque Du Soliel, and in music videos with artists such as Bruno Mars. I've personally learned a ton from this guy and have huge respect for what he has done with the dance scene in Sacramento. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 028 Knowbody - The Art Of Beat Kun Do W/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep the full album on Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate  Follow @ Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here:https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys  A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Low AKA MO7, an amazing breakdancer and tattoo artist from Alaska, discusses his artistic mentality and approach to art and dance. He explains his come up as a breaker, learning powermoves in the 90s and later turning his love of art into a tattooing career. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 027Bboy MO7 - How To Give Bboys Booty TattoosW/U's album, Acuestate is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep  the full album on Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestateFollow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Swellz One, an amazing breakdancer from Sacramento, CA, discusses his unique style and training mentality. We go down the rabbit hole and talk about various topics including foundation, creative styles, covid lock downs, politics, dance trends, and future predictions in the scene.Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 026Bboy Swellz One - How to Use Obsession to SucceedDJ Phixion's album, Cinemadeck is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Shyne, aka killashyne86, is a long time bboy and twitch streamer. He sits down to discuss the similarities between streaming video games online and breakdancing. Shyne talks about the massive hustle he has endured to become a successful streamer and dancer.Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 025KillaShyne86 - Bboy and Twitch StreamerW/U provided the backing music to this show. Peep his Soundcloud site to hear his latest music:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Mahtie Bush, a Sacramento native, talks about his Twitter villainy, growing up as a bboy in the late 90's, and pumping out his hip hop music to hit hundreds of thousands of streams on Spotify and itunes. I've known this guy since HS and love how down he is for his city. His hard work as a local emcee is shooting him self to the top of the hip hop charts.Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 024Mahtie Bush - Sacramento's Underdog VillainW/U provided the backing music to this show. Peep his Soundcloud site to hear his latest music:https://soundcloud.com/1w_u/sets/acuestate Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Freak Rock is dancer from Sacramento, CA who heavily influenced the local scene. He is known as one of the hidden gems of the area for his incredible talent and skill in the early 2000 breakdance scene. This guy is a really good friend of mine and a huge influence. I grew up with him and battled in many battles with him at my side, on and off the competition stage. He also happens to be one of the funniest people I know.Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 023Bboy Freak Rock - The Sactown Secret WeaponDJ Phixion provided the backing music to this show. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Whacko of the Illest Villains Crew discusses his history in Hip Hop dance, coming up as  breakdancer, and growing as a teacher and mentor. He is a toprock champion and walks through how he won the 2011 IBE Toprock King title. We talk about life changing injuries and how to grow around them and touch on substantial life events and how they can make you stronger. Whacko breaks down his style and how he perfected his dance, and the importance of a good dance cypher. Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 022BBoy Whacko! - THE ILLEST VILLAINDJ Phixion provided the backing music to this show. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Bboy Precise of the Beats 'n' Pieces Crew sits down to discuss the struggles of running a business in the pandemic time of Covid 19. He describes his come up in the hip hop dance and breakdance scenes as a bboy, and the talks about his work with the Golden State Warriors as leader of the GS Breakers dance team. We then go into discussions about his recent stint with DJIing and launching his new DJ channel on youtube (see below). Lastly he leaves us with a great message about staying strong during the pandemic and reaching out to friends and family in this time of struggle.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUIYd5hQJ_ppSSSu1EOrCA Noise of the Broke Boys Podcast - Episode 021BBoy Precise - PERSISTENCE CREATES THE PRECISENESS - Beats 'n' Pieces CrewDJ Phixion provided the backing music to this show. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 020DKWAN, an amazing popper from 2nd Nature Crew and  Playboys Inc., and winner of the Dr. Pepper Cherry Youtube Dance Studio Contest, discusses his struggles as an artist and finding his way in the creative space. He shares some interesting insights into the mental struggles he has gone through as an artist and how it has helped shape his life as a tech entrepreneur.DJ Phixion's album, Cinemadeck is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.

Noise of the Broke Boys Episode 018DJ Phixion shares his music production process and the inspiration behind his recent album, Cinemadeck. We talk about DJing, turntablism, and the artistic relationship music has to other mediums.DJ Phixion's album, Cinemadeck is used as a backing track to this entire podcast. Peep his Bandcamp site to hear and purchase the full album:https://djphixion.bandcamp.com/Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by memes you lovearguing over the Internetwhat about condensing out the nuances ofa complicated topic by adding a sentenceof text over a picture of a cute dog areyou too busy to read news articles infact check their sources and wouldrather look at a poorly photoshoppedpicture and gather everything you needto know from that or are you more of thetype that loves to troll the world andwatch it burn with silly low-qualitystock images either way memes are aperfect solution for all theaforementioned desires please check outnoise of the broke boys on Instagram formore information about low-quality memesnow on to the show[Music]in this episode I meet with my boy DJfiction we were both part of the samegroup of delinquents back in school atthat time I was amazed to find out thathe was also an amazing DJ and musicproducer since then he has traveledaround and lived in several countriesincluding the Netherlands and Luxembourghe recently released a new album calledcinema Dec that I absolutely love I putthe entire album as a backing track tothis episode but I encourage you tolisten to it in its entirety without myannoying voice over it included a linkto the album in the description pleaseenjoy the episode with DJ fiction helloeverybody welcome to the end of theworld show international edition today Igot a very special guest his name is DJfiction what's up man how you doing goodman how are you good to be here I'mgreat manso you're out there in Luxembourg rightcorrect dope so we could talk about thatlater but what I what I know you justcame out with a brand new album cinemadeck I checked it out it's one of thedopest shit's I've heard in a long timeyou've been making music a long time manso can you tell me a little bit aboutlike what was the inspiration for thisfor this musical project cuz I know youhaven't really put something out in awhile right it's been a while but likejust like yeah that's probably becauseit's just the way I live like I movedaround hella the last like six sevenyears yeah and yeah it was just it wasmore because of that but the inspirationbehind this specific album is likeold-school movies like sixties moviesespecially French movies Italian moviesthat kind of shit I really like thatshit like Fellini movies or jean-lucGodard Francois Truffaut this kind ofshit so the inspiration for that waslike around 2015 I started watching likehell of these movies like hellaokay then I was just thinking to myselflike there's a lot of good music inthese movies yeah there and also thequotes and stuff and I had it in my mindto make kind of like a concept album andthen revolves around these and yeahpretty much like even the name the nameof the album by cinema deck like inFrance and here in Luxembourg as welllike the theater theater it's like retrotheaters right where they showold-school movies and shit really okaythese are called cinema Tex cinema Tibetso then I just took dick like aturntable yeah yeah and dude like alittle what combination ding okay that'stight that's tight oh yes so you yousaid that they're they're like 50smovies is around the era that like likelet's say like late 50s to like latesixties yeah because it's it soundedlike that you know when I was listeningto it I would hear you know some kind ofold-school stuff you know it has thatthat the recording quality from thattime and so that's what I was thinkingit was probably that you know what ImeanI mean it's also the music I sampledright like a sample hello jazz and funkand shit like that yeah yeah I would saythe vast majority is from the 60s yaknow it was nice because I would hear Iheard a few breaks that you put in therethat I was familiar with and then Iheard a lot of stuff I've never heardI've never heard of and I was kind oflike yo did this guy sample this or didhe make this like what's going on solike I mean it sounds like you obviouslysampled a lot of that stuff so it's likeyou really had to do a lot of diggingI'm guessing obviously sure movie stufflike so when you're Lizzy - I meanuh-huhso when you're like watching some ofthese movies you're hearing you'reyou're just like going that's a dopetrack I'm gonna try to find it and likehow do you how do you I guess pull itout are you able to find the trackpretty easy like how's your digginprocess for thatso like most of the music is not sampledfrom the movies but some of it is how Idig for shit I mean is like how anybodyelse does right I mean like go to recordstores discogs.com is like my fuckinokay I'm buying hello shit on therebut also just like hell it fools uploadshit on like final RIT blogs ok justfine a hellish it like there butbasically like digging um and just undidthe shit the old dudes used to do youknow I mean like premier or Pete Rock orlike the dudes that I admire like DJshadow DJ Krush yeah cam and you justfind out what they sampled from yearsand years of before you know like whosampled calm now everything everythingis outed right like now every is peoplefind the shit but before you didn't haveanything like that you had to just findit yourselfyeah maybe a little bit based on anartist or a label or something like thatof the sampled artists and then youcould kind of like dig a bit further togive it further old shit like this is amaybe obscure album by this artist or bythis label that nobody sampled let'syeah yeah and then with the movies isthe same shit I mean hella old likethere's this one dude it's Dimitri fromParis ok came out with the album in the90s called the sacre bleu that kind ofis sort of the same thing said hedoesn't sample so many French movies hesamples American movies examples havelike Audrey Hepburn and shit like thathad music from those movies as well sothat was kind of like an inspiration forme as well mmm so you were kind of doingthe like the reverse of that of what hewas doing even though he's Frenchfunnily enough but yeah and I'm Americanbut so you're pulling on how to frontyou're pulling out French movies okthat's tight no I mean getting gettinginspiration from like other people likethat is really dope I mean and like whatI really liked about the album is thatit really I could really tell that youwere digging for it and I feel like it'ssomewhat of a lost art at least fromwhat I see on like the mainstream radiosand stuff and it's like it's kind of sadbecause I think maybe because of a lotof copyright laws and stuff that that isgetting like kind of pushed to theunderground a little bit more now butit's like it was super refreshing tohear that because I was like yo this guyput so much time into digging like I cantell this is likeyou know you were had you had the likethe early 90s type of like diggingattitude in that in that in the wholealbum is what I was feeling as Lisa it'spretty much my whole my whole idea likeall I've ever wanted really with musicis just to sound like mid 90s like crushand shadow like I always just went forthat that kind of aesthetic why nobody Imean people still do sample I mean lookat like hotline bling right that wasfucking huge and that was fucking yeahyour sample right nothing else I don'tknow if it's because a copyright orbecause people's tastes have changed youknow people like now more syntheticsounds which also do I also do likecompose some shit and like yeah there'sone track that has practically nosamples I can think of on the album butstill I like that grainy that you getfrom it's kind of like a nostalgic typeof sound you know like right now it itwas very moody what and that's what Iliked about it it was um like I mean itwould yeah I guess similar to like amovie really like you you get like thesemoody tracks in it I was like okay thisis tight you know and it really feelslike you're going through like a wholelike a whole storyline almost you knowwhat I mean is that kind of what you'regoing for pretty much exactly you nailedit like even before I had the idea tosample like specific dialogue and haveit in order throughout the album to makea storyline what I mean but that wasjust way too fucking complicated and inthe end I kind of scrapped it but stillI have that idea in my mind that I couldhave done that like could have made afull-fledged like chopped up my ownstory from all these other movies likeimagining 20 movies that you sample allthese different lines and all thesedifferent languages but yeah you canmake a cohesive story out of it yeah andthen set it to musicit's can opera in a way yeah like hiphop yeah yeah no that's tight yeah I'vealways liked those kind of like albumsthat have some sort of kind of storylineor whatever like what immediately comesto mind is on the album that Dell didwithmmm Dan the Automator remember that oneit was a home runyeah yeah it was like super weird kindof story but it was like it was like Ikind of I kind of dig it yeah or like Iknow Kendrick Lamar does a lot of likeconcept type of stuff like that he's gotsome kind of storyline that like looselyconnects everything I always liked thatbecause this this that the single trackslike our good standalone but then whenyou listen to the whole album you'relike oh I get it dude he yes he has heyou know you you put a lot of likeeffort into like really pulling thelistener in I mean it reminds me sort oflike you know like Pink Floyd used to dostuff like that where they would likethe wall exactly yeah ya know the it'slike the you you put their record on andit goes from beginning to end and it'slike man this was a whole story andevery single song kind of like bleedsinto the other and stuff it feels itfeels like you're on like a I don't knowlike a like a Disneyland kind of likeride or something code through the wholelike the whole album it's it's dope yeahso I really dig that that's tightthanks man that's definitely kind of theapproach I had I missed back in the dayshow to use to have a cohesive album thatpeople would listen to you know cover tocover like nowadays it doesn't seem likethat's the case I mean now it's likekind of more single tracks yeah I thinkeverybody just puts out single tracksmost of the times but I missed I likedthe album format I always liked it yeahyeah yeah albums are like perfect lengthreally for like a listening you knowlike you sit down it's usually about anhour to you know 45 minutes to like anhour which is kind of like what I try todo with podcast to but it's like perfectto sit down listen to some stuff andjust you know take yourself on a rideand stuff but yeah a lot of people don'tdo that anymore which I miss I mean withwit plank with vinyl especially you haveto do that right yeah yeah like a recordand just listen to it right you sitthere I mean I'm in my head like diggingfor samples and shit but I have you knowa bunch of records from like you know90s guys and shit like that and yet youjust have toyou gotta just sit there and listen tothe fucking thing you gotta have allyour you know sense is kind of focusedon that yes so actually so like whileyou're listening to music you're sayingyou're like digging so like what's thatprocess like what's going on in yourhead I guess what makes a sample kind ofstick out to you are you kind of like hiJay how are you just like so I'm notlike musically trained that's the thingyeah yeah I played I played piano forlike I don't know five six years as akid look that was a long fucking timeago I don't remember it but I don't knowyou just kind of hear something like alittle phrase you know a sequence ofnotes or not even just like some kind ofyou know a feeling really and and maybeyou can you know manipulate it a bitlike a lot of samples doesn't sound goodat the speed it's at you know so youjust slow it down oh shit now it soundsgood like a good example of that is doyou know the survival of the fittest bymob deep oh yeahlike there that sample was only justdiscovered recently like what it what itis and it's like fucking ten timesfaster you would never recognized it ohokaybut another another thing is like you'llhear so this maybe could work but maybeI have to chop it up and like rearrangeit or whatever okay what are you doingthat in your mind as you're listeningnot really you kind of just hear it andyou're like maybe that I can use thisokay maybe like you'll end up using oneout of ten it's just like it's that'swhy it's called digging gram you're justdigging for shit and most of it's gonnabe worthless yeah ya know when I wasyounger and I would do that I had a lotof like just trash track you know trashlike records just that I heard like onelittle piece of a thing and I was likeexactly but yeah it's like a ton ofstuff that's just junk though but youwait you're waiting through shitbasically I mean yeah but you thinkabout it in another sense I remember Ithink it was DJ Shadow thatinstead from already recorded music thathas already sold right it's alreadysomeone at one point thought this wasgood so if you're making music frommusic that somebody at one point thoughtwas good your shits probably gonna begood too right mmm I mean how could itnotmmm I see in a weird way yeah that nothat that that's tight no you know whatthat reminds me of like um what's hisname Bob James oh shit yeah yeah likecuz that guy what his his music was justit would always like every two secondsor whatever it would like change thewhole mood of it and I remember there'slike a couple songs he has that so manypeople have just sampled from and I waslike like Nautilus not exactly and it'slike I did not know that that was thesame song because this guy song soundsso much different from this song but itwas a track that you can sample yeah Iwas like holy crap dude that's dope sono but that makes sense I mean like andI know that a lot of times you'll you'llfind an artist that has yeah like youknow say like premiere sampled somethingand you go okay let's check out thiswhole this artist's whole distantdiscography and then find a lot of otherstuff that's just kind of hidden inthere and or whatever or like say likein James Brown's a case like you knowhis band like they had their own albumsand stuff so you go and check them outand stuff or like they're just thedrummers and stuff like there's a lot oflike just hidden gems out there for surebut it's a problem needs to find it Imean I've been doing this for like youknow 13 14 years you know you do thisover time it becomes almost secondnature you don't even think about itanymore you're just like alright here'sthis here's this you just startconnecting the dots until the pointwhere yeah you kind of almost know whereto look now No so does that change theway you listen to just music in generallike so when you're on the radio you'relike picking out okay what was thissample from or like what is this drumdoing or whatever I mean that just comesfrom learning music production rightokay yeah I can't listen to any musicanymore without thinking in my headwithout like they do this how I was thismixed how was this produced how was thisprogram bah bah bah yeah withoutbreaking it apart and finding all thecomponents of it ya know I've like I'vebeen like trying to do that too I kindof do that for dancing anyways becauselike it's just good to it's a good levelit's a good way of adding like depth tothe way you dance because you can youknow say dint you can follow like abaseline and then you can follow like adrum pattern or whatever and yes whenshe turn that and I noticed that thatskill transfer is really well to musicbecause now you're listening for thosesame things that you would have beenlistening for in dancing but you're nowgoing like okay now how did theyactually make that that little neatpattern or whatever you know this is thethe snare is doing this doot doot dootor whatever so a site no but yeah itreally it it it deepens the way youlisten to music is what it sounds likeit's kind of annoying at the same timetoo like I probably pissed hello peopleoff like they'll be listening to somesong like this these drums a week likethey should have done this they shouldhave yeah so do I do a lot of people golike oh let's not talk about music withyou is that yeah it's just it's justsomething that happens I mean when youwhen you start to I guess yeah they'llkind of deep into something that mayit's probably the same for everythingright you probably have a full sore likehow I entered like video productionshould they get break apart everybody'sYouTube channel like yeah and I meanthat's I guess part of the artists Imean and I know a lot of times when Ilook at like a painting even I'll golike okay you know I like to try to takea step back and just go like okay takeit in what it is what it is and then gointo and like look at how they did somebrushstrokes on it or whatever how thecolors are composed but like you can'thelp but do that because you're tryingto figure out how they made what theydid and you know you know I guess that'sa that's part of the artist quality Isuppose you know I do it with dancing itjust just comes with the territoryyeah it does but itI think it makes the conversation aboutthat particular content even betterbecause from are you talking to right Imean it's best if you're talking tosomeone who knows as much or even morethan you do rightwell even someone who doesn't know likeI mean cuz I don't know that much aboutmusic but I really like hearing your youknow what you have to say about itbecause it's it's making me realize likeoh yeah this stuff goes a lot deeperthan I thought you know what I mean andI'm hoping that oh you know open-mindedpeople would gain the same kind ofinterest into that because I mean musicis just soaked it's so complicated andand just listening to you know just asong on the radio I mean just the likethe primal instinct of yourself is to golike oh yeah like this this is somethingthat groove - it's kind of like you shutoff your your conscious mind and justlet your subconscious like soak in themood or whatever but then if you do letyour conscious kind of like take it intoyou're like man this is reallymathematical in a way you know what Imean it's very scientific it's cool likethat you know and we're just talkingabout production I mean that's all IknowI don't know any fear right you don'tknow any theory at all like like I saidI used to play pianolike I know basic chords scales likecircle shifts this kind of shit but Idon't know anything beyond that likeokay well I mean I feel like that'sthat's a good starting point that maybenot people don't even know I mean it'slike yeah I would say that's as basic asyou get oh yeah sure sure but I know alot of people that wouldn't even knowwhat you're talking aboutyou know what I mean scales and circleof fifths and stuff and you know and Iguess even how that relates to likeharmonics and stuff so yeah yeah sureI mean like I say like well when Iproduce a track I practically alwaysstart with some bass like not not basicinstrument but like a bass likefoundation sample and then maybe I'llcomposeof that so I know I'm already startingwith a key that I didn't think of rightokayyeah I could I could tune the sample toa key that you know let's I want this infucking I don't know I mean you can onlytune it to certain keys that it'salready harmonized with right anywayI usually never start from scratch let'ssay you know I mean yeah I don't needsomething but that it someone probablydoesn't even know what you're talkingabout in terms of like pitch shiftinginto like a different scale and stuff Imean back when I was like a highschooler and I didn't know anythingabout music and I would go and grab likea song like I would try to make littlemixes and stuff and I would grab a songand like I didn't know how to doanything and so it would always soundkind of weird because it would always gofrom like this key to a different keyand and so it was just my you know highschool mix or whatever that I was tryingto make and you could tell that there'ssomething wrong with itbut you musically don't understand itand that's probably me nowadays I meanyou don't even have to like you gothella programs and shit that will justidentify the key for you and like youcould just harmonic mix so breezily yeahthat's true that's true yeah so do youuse a lot of like plugins and stuff whatprograms you use actually so I justproduced using FL okay L studio 20that's what I use since the jump I usedit since like FL five or something butyeah I tried all kinds of other ones Ihaven't tried Ableton that's the onethat everyone uses now yeah I started byusing Ableton actually and that's Itried Pro Tools I tried sonar at CubaseReaper I mean they're all pretty muchthe same from what I can understand it'sjust whichever one you'd like yeah Ireally like about FL is the piano rollit's like super intuitive too- both with like instruments and withwith drums but you know for sequencingbut and then yeah of course hell offucking mixing and and and yeahproduction Suites yeah well games so doyou know a lot about like soundengineeringoh so that's one thing I don't really dolike sound design like designing theinstruments and the voicing no no nowhat do you do like you master your ownstuff yeah yeah okay so that took likehello time to learn as well yeah butit's a art formobviously I'm never gonna get it as goodas a treated room in an engineer yeah byhand I'm cheap man I mean it sounds goodto me so like I mean I don't have likethe best equipment but like the roomreally matters like this room has hellafucking echo I should like put likehello like foam and shit on the wallsokay yeah I wonder if that I wonder ifthat actually helps make it um have moreof a nostalgic sound almost you know Idon't know but I do try to like listento it in different environments likeheadphones car yeah this that whateverwhatever I mean it's it might sound goodon the monitors but it might sound badsomewhere else yeah it's weird how thathappens yeah it's just you'll play it inyour in your headphones and you're likeoh this sounds dope and then you'll goin your car whatever you like manheadphones are the easiest by far tomake sound good as yeah experience yeahyeah yeahso so when you're when you or whenyou're working on mastering a track isthat like part of your workflow or youknow they should be done at the very endlike you've already done you're done butthe production you done with the mixingand you bounce it as a final wave stereowave and then you just master that yeahyeah but when you're in that masteringphase are you going like okay let me getit perfect in the headphones and thenlet me get it perfect in the car let meget it perfect on like a cent a wholesound system in like an auditoriumwhatever the the monitors like thesethesespeakers the studio monitors that's whatI you totally get it perfect on that ohI see okay and so that ideally you wannalike the flattest sound you know theflattest frequency response which isyou're not gonna get unless you havelike I mean sound you know come bouncesback and forth all over the place rightso yeah you're not gonna get the bestsound unless you have a treated room andreally like treated speakers everythinghas to be that's why you would pay amastering engineer like thousands forthis right yeah yeah it's it's crazyunless I was gonna get like returnedlike on my money yeah I don't know Ijust don't see the pointso you you sell I know you obviouslysell your music on Bandcamp but do youdo like a lot of shows and stuff man notfor a long time like I used to but thatwas like Haley years ago deejay live butyeah I should get back into it like butthat's a thing like I mentioned earlierlike I moved around a lot man like inthe last 10 years I lived in like yesSweden Netherlands Belgium yeahSan Diego Netherlands again and then nowhere in Luxembourg and like just so manytimes I had to find sell my equipmentover and over and over you know yeah soI remember you you were gonna ask melike yeah like what's it like to youknow does living in a different countrylike influence your art and yeah forsure it does just because of theinconvenience of moving around all thedamn timeso so what areas you've I mean you'refrom San Jose right and then you livedin Amsterdam for a while and then thelast time I saw you in Amsterdam yeah inAmsterdam and then now you're inLuxembourg were you in anywhere elsebetween there yeah yeah I lived in SanDiego for 3 years % yeah San Diegothat's right and so I mean like whatstake what's been taking you in thoseareas I guess jobs man just don't workso it's just working and so then youknow I like to I like to travel and andlive in different places and shit likethat it's fun I mean it's inconvenientas all hell and yeah pain in the ass butit's cool yeah yeah and so it you thinkit influences like the music you makebecause yummy for sure because sometimeslike when I was in San Diego I had likeno money and I had to just make the shitwith what I had you know yeah I couldn'tbuy the shit I wanted now I practicallyhave everything I wantso she'd become easier now it's alsodepends like what kind of people youmeet right like what kind of you knowmusic with other heads you knowdifferent kinds of people all over theplace right yeah yeah and be myinfluence so do you do have you done anyprojects with other people so a bit butnot that much I had back in San Jose whorecorded some shit over some of mytracks real talented musician here I wasgoing out to Paris for a while it's likeonly two hours away by train and there Imade some some friends and we kind ofwork on some shit together kind of morelike jungle music like you know likeearly mid 90s like Bristol German withway more syncopated break beats for anysizethat and then I met this one Japaneserapper dude be otha goes by our whiteyand we worked on a little bit of someshit together but usually for the mostpart I'm just like a standalone yeahperson okay I'm just like a controlfreak I think in the end like I need tohave like full creative control over allmy shit yeah that's like it's hard toit's hard to not do that because it'slike what you it's like what's yourworkflow dictates you know alone so thenwhen you're working with somebody you'relike oh I want it look like this butthen yeah it's sometimes hard becausethe vision is like not quite matched upit I relate to that because like a lotof times when you're doing like dancestuff like and you're trying to makelike some routine or whatever or likeyou know do some kind of battle orwhatever you're like working with a lotof people and it's like everybody hastheir own idea of what's gonna happenand it just doesn't quite come togetherbut what you always have to do I thinkis just like go okay I'm I'm open tolike taking everybody's thing cuz thisisn't this isn't my thing this iseverybody's thing you know what I meanyeah so it's it's it's it's hard to getover that that fact you know or acceptit you know what I'm saying yeah so uhare you working on any new projectsright now so just nowyeah just put out the album like a monthago mm-hmmand now I think I'm just gonna actuallyfocus on on DJ mixes for a little whileokay I just got this this this mixer yousee right here this is like a super rarevintage Vestax from like 1990 and it'sgot some cool shit this is the same samemix our DJ Krush uses okay dude is likemy fucking idol my hero okayso I think I'm just already put out acouple of DJ Mix's recently but but Ithink I'm gonna focus on that a bit andI mean I'm kind of tapped out now forproduction because I just put the shitout yeah it's like starting from zerowhich is cool at the same time like ohshit I I can make like something yeahyeah tabula rasa yeah it's I mean youyou hustled hard to get the thing doneand now you're kind of like okay let'slike take a second to breathe let thatmusic kind of get around and then workon your next thing how actually how longdid it take you to put together thatwhole album cinema day yeah it's kind ofhard to say because like some of thetracks I made back like in 2015 oh he's16 okay and I just had them I justdidn't do anything with him I just hadto sit and then some of the tracks Imade just like six months agookay we're like four or four months agoso you could say it took like five yearsbut that's not really accurate becauselike you know helot like I would I thinkwhen I first moved to Luxembourg Ididn't work on music for like a wholeyear I was just running around travelingyou know I was back in Europe was likeoh shit let me do this go here have funget drunk blah blah blah yeah so I yeahyou know I don't know total time sometracks probably have like 30 or 40 hoursof work into them whereas others maybelike less than 10 but like the wholeconcept of what I was trying to do Ithought of that years ago okay so it'sit's been kind of like something thathas been in the back of your mind tooyou know put together eventually okayyeah no I feel like I'm kind of likethat with with with like painting youknow cuz I like paint I like to painttoo I'll have like an idea of somethingand I'll start like a lot of times I'llstart painting something that's likeit's a like just a concept of what I'mtrying to go for and then I'll justnever finish it and I'll just kind oflike hang it up and stare at it to makemyself like you know cuz it seem likeit's yes sorta yeah no that's very truecuz yeah you're what I would always tryto do is just have it there look at ityou know everyday just look at somethingand go okay let's let that kind of soakin my head and see if I can come up withanything cool to do with it you know cuzI think a lot of it is always just cuzI'm really good at just throwing outrandom ideas and stuff but it's notcomposed into anything that makes anysense so but I have to always keep thoseideas in the forefront of my mind orelse I just forget about them so that'swhy I'll try to just paint like aconcept of something and just hang it upor whatever and then like look at it andgo okay that maybe I could use that withsomething else that I come up with sureor like with dancing I do that too Imean with dancing it's like I'll havelike a cool little move that I made butI'm like man there's no way in hell I'mever gonna use this alone so I just kindof write it down and hope that this iswhat I call like frankensteining shit ohyeah yeah you just like take bits andpieces from shit you made that's all notreally good let's say on its own yeahyeah like Frankenstein that shittogether and put it into one thing nowit's pretty good would you would you saythat there's a lot of tracks that you'vemade that are like that oh yeah all thetimehell at times are like I'll find somesample or something I try to use it Itry to make a track out of it nothingever works so I'm say I fucked this it'snot gonna work then like four or fiveyears later I'll have another track I'mlike you know this needs something elseand then I'll go back and go through allmy old man I have like you don't evenknow like a whole library of chopped upsamples like the thousands broWow and then I'll just like keep likelistening to them after this one thisone's holy shitwhoa this is like already in tune orlike oh this like fits harmonicallysomehow or like this fits rhythmicallyor whatever if I my tune it right or ifI chop it yes suddenly becomes usefulthat's that's really tight and that's sosimilar to us to what I do it's it'skind of crazy how similar that is it'show do you keep track of those things Imean like you say you got like thousandsof stuff like Joey it's like I fell intothe program every time you samplesomething and you just like drag it intothe playlist or whatever it'll save itas a separate wav file and then that wavfile is named whatever your sample wasnamed and I'm like a fucking meticulousNazi motherfucker when it comes tolabeling music okay I'm super meticulousabout all of it's all catalogued andeverything so all that shit is just yeahboom right there you would think thatlike so back in the day right you had tolike sample directly from vinyl intoyour MPC or sp12 or whatever whateverbut now what I do I don't know I youcould do that but I just record thewhole record as a wave then I label itand I import it into FL to chop it up orwhatever okay so you have the whole thewhole song and then you have all yourother chops okay that's tight I don't Idon't record a sample on its own likeyou would have done back in MPC daysyeah yeah okay no that'd make that makesenseand and so then like the way that I dolike when I when I'm doing kind of thisthis whole Frankenstein process withlike dancing it's like I'll make a moveand I'll just write down how it startedhow it ends on a piece of paper and Isave that and you know I know that it'slike junk moves but I'll just you knowkind of go on with my life and then oncein a while I'll get I'll start makinganother thing and then I'll end up kindof in the same position and I'll go likeoh yeah let's look back at that movethat I used to do or like that I wasworking on back then and just try tolike Frankenstein it in into it becauseI know that mybody is in a similar position as it wasin that move so let's see if I can likesomehow put it together or like changesomething so that it fits together but Ihonestly don't have a really goodprocess of like remembering that otherthan just writing it down it's hardit sounds I'm way harder with whatyou're talking about it's I mean I knowa lot of people will record themselvesand sometimes I do that but that worksyeah but then you got a crap ton offootage that you gotta go I mean yougotta go back and actually like watchthat shit ya know but yeah I don't Idon't really have time for that so it'smore like I try to associate like a moodto it or like a some kind of feeling toit so then when I'm doing something itin that same feeling it triggers thatand I go oh yeah let me try these likecolors and shit you know my yellownotebook for like this kind of feelingthis is my green notebook whateverwhatever ya know I used to I used tocategorize stuff all the time like thatbecause if I had a move that I thoughtwould make it would be really good aslike an introduction to like a you knowsay like because when you break you kindof you're standing up and then you'll goon the ground I'll go like okay thismakes sense for one of those types ofmoves or like if another move whereyou're going from the ground andstanding up or a way to like end yourset or a way to start it or whateversomething in the middleI'll categorize it that way but theseFrankenstein type of moves like yousometimes lose track of them I man I gotso many notebooks of stuff that I lookat it and I go like oh manI kind of remember how to do this but Idon't remember how to do this so it'shard like I really that's where thefootage would come in handy yeah yeahyeah but I've never been good at likecategorizing like recording myself sobut ya know it's it's it's a process butIII honestly think that that processmakes some some gold sometimes you knowwhat I mean I mean I would say most ofthe stuff I've ever made what came fromthat process anyway and it was that's Ithink that's the only way to really doit I mean no one's gonna just shit out agolden egg right yeah yeahhave you ever shit out one golden egg onyou never works that way yeah it'salways just like months and months ofyou know try this just trial and erroryou know try this try that try this trythat maybe something will work what whoayeah so it's kind of like a playful wayof like creating stuff I mean at leastthat's how I approaches is like I'llplay I'll just play around withsomething and exactly I have a wild assidea just try it out you know andsomehow after like you know God knowsdozens of hours of work you just sitback in actually sounds good yeah yeahso it is is that how you know that atrack is done when you could sit backand go like oh pretty much yeah yeah andthen you're listening to the whole thinglike okay this thing is ready to getmixed like well I do the mixingthroughout the production I shouldn't dothat but I do that okay I think mixingfor me is it's not if I work okay but sothen yeah you sit back and you're likeokay this makes sense I can start youknow maybe mastering it or whatever yeahI can bounce this yeah okay that's tightno wow so yeah so is that you thinksometimes takes forever like sometimes Ihave a track like got a had in a backburner for years okayyeah man so like I I just you know thislast probably a year and a half orwhatever I started getting like moreinto music production and like literallyeverything I've ever made is that it'slike it's shit that I just saved I yeahyou know and I just will listen to itand go like okay hopefully somedaythis'll like turn into the dope I havean idea I like I want to make some kindof album someday but like and I kind ofhave an idea of what I want to do butall these tracks that I potentially wantto use there it's like they're probablyat like 25% to 50% of what I actuallywantedto be but I think it's on to somethingand so I've just been kind of like I'llplay it once in a while to just listento and go ok see if I have any goodideas with it but it's like they're alljust like unfinished projects in my mindso and I'm afraid that it never willbecome that and I never will put out analbum but I'm hoping that someday I doit but most of the stuff I do isn'tsample it's all it's all like acomposition yeah but like in terms ofthe instruments and shit what are youusing because they're all electronic orare you trying to get like realinstruments it's all electronic I have akeyboard over here it's an akai it's a61-key whatever whatever mpk yeah yeahand I have a smaller one too that I cantravel with sometimes take it when I'mtraveling or whatever just to like pullwhat about the voicing the voicing ofthe instruments it's all like yeah it'sit's all I'm trying to like find likegood samples of stuff to use that but Idon't know I honestly just compose somestuff and if the notes sound trying tosound like yeah that that that's hardbecause that's getting into like soundengineering and I'm not good at that atallyou know I got some friends that arebetter at it but it's like you know thatthat's my idea is to like take thecompositions I've made and then you knowsomeday come back and then really likework on the voicing of it because Ithink that's where the big gap is reallyin what I do so I don't know I'm curiousI'm trying to like understand like whoare you trying to sound like if you toldme a I'm trying to like emulate thisdude or you know kind of you know I'mnot trying to sound like anybody reallylike because I approach music kind oflike when I hear something that I like Igo why do I like that and then um soI'll try to like dig deep into like thesong is it is it's just this chordprogression that I really like is itthis instrument the way it's soundingyou know a lot of reallygone back into a lot of like old like90s rock music like Nirvananothing I'm like sure oh man I just lovethe way that they did the guitar work onthis or something and it's like so I'mlike basically when I see that I go okayhow do i how can I make that samefeeling myself and so just what I do isI really study the way they made thattrack and then I go okay this is thepart that I do like about it let me seehow I can make them I said like how Ican I can create like a feeling likethat but in terms of artists dudehonestly I love all sorts of artistsdude all types of music I mean it's notjust hip-hop music or whatever for me sothere's a lot of times I'll listen tolike a country song and I'll be like ohman the way this guy sings this likethis little this course or whatever I'llbe like man I love it and like you knowjust try to figure out why I love it somuch and then you know try to figure itout I don't know I can't really sing butit'd be dope if I could that's that'sone other thing but you know I don'tknow so so essentially every time I makelike a new track it's just it's a it's aconcept of trying to recreate a feelingthat I heard that I really liked so yeahliterally everything I make soundsdifferent I think I mean cuz I couldn'tpin a style to it you know I imaginethat's probably like how Kanye West orwhatever like approaches artists likehim they just have so many differentsounds that are like attached to themyou know what I mean or like who else issimilar to that Keith I was gonna saymaybeI mean maybe even Pink Floyd like it'slike it's hard to pinpoint like whatexactly their style is I think you knowI don't know but you get what I'm sayingoh you know who woulda Tyler the Creatorlike we don't listen to his I neverreally listened to too much and stuff Iknow uh just like a bit I liked hismusic is just kind of like it's I feellike he doesn't have his style is tokind of like have it open I think youknow in a way where it's it's hard topin something to it you know like howyou hear some guys is like okay theseguys do like trap style music orwhatever this is more like a low fighttype of style or whatever it's hard topin it to to those guys you know so umit's good to incorporate all kinds ofdifferent different styles in your shitfor sure yeah like I can give him evenme I'll throw in like drum and bass andshit like I can I can just tell thatwhen they were making the song it wasinspired by something kind ofoff-the-wall you know what I mean yeahyeah I mean shit look at even like De LaSoul or something or Called Quest's backin the early 90s so like you know hippierap yeah yeah it isyeah we're like you ever listen to likefucking brother Lynch or like AK someKool Keith it's like horror movie shityeah it is it's it's kind of crazy yeahthose guys yeah they're like yeah theytell some crazy stories yeah I meanengine but like a brother Lynch I justimagine him and his buddies sittingaround like you know like like okaywe're like gangster rappers but what'seven crazier than like killing peopleeating them yeah yeah dude yeah theythey go they go they take it a stepfurther for sureso actually so who would you say areyour favorite artists right now I meanobviously you're saying like what wereyou saying premiere no all right nowyeah I don't listen to too muchcontemporary music like I'm I'm too busystill digging like what came out in the90s I mean I feel like I'm never gonnabe done okay especially like hellaJapanese shit man like fucking Japaneseproducers from the nineties are so goodand they're really around - yeah it'slike just some random label that onlyput out like five or six records andthat was it and yeah you never heardanything from these fools again butDanna some good shit yeah but like whostill makes good music now like the onlycontemporary producers I can think ofare more like electronic not so much hiphop hip hop to me like like it'sprobably I don't know I sound like adickhead or something but like hip hopto me died like a long time ago likewhat comes out now is not hip hop to meit's like some other thing it's trappedit's whatever it is that it's somethingkind of yeah it's it's it's it's morphedinto something different I mean like II've always said that like hip hopnowadays it it's it looks so differentthan what it started out as but it kindof like follows this in the tradition ofhip hop in the sense that everygeneration of it has tried to dosomething different than the generationwhich I would say follows kind of thehip hop tradition you know of like we'renot biting nothing you know like we'remaking our own thing so like I Irefrained from saying it's not hip hopbut I do think it looks completelydifferent than what it used to be youknow what I mean we're in wearing like anew John or a sort of but exactly youknow it's now it's I feel like it's ifyou were to say hip hop is notnecessarily a genre it's like anumbrellagenres and so you got is trash style ofhip-hopyou got this like 90s style like agolden era type of style yeah you knownow there's like the loaf I shit andthen there's you know I don't know theold-school stuff you know but you knowwhatever the fuck they do like yeahrapper's delight' yeah that kind of shitso all that stuff sounds so differentand you can tell that there was like ageneration and then that influenced thenext generation and then the nextgeneration but between those generationsyou're like man do they really jumpedbetween them so I yeah I I don't likesaying it's not hip-hop but I don'tthink that it sounds anything like whatit isn't it what it used to be so to melike like like even the basic structurechanged a lot like now the beats perminute are super slow you knowbefore hip-hop was always like what 9385 to like 1 105 or something like thatand that was it and then now it's likefucking like 60 70 beats a minute andyou're like double time high hats allthe time yeah yeah it's you know whattrap music is so weird to me becauseit's like it almost has two tempos to ityou know what I mean it's half time it'shappened exact time yeah and so it'scool because when I listen to it I'mlike all right this is like some shitthat you're just like chilling too butthen also it's like oh this kind of getshyped though but I don't knowthat's why musically it's interesting tome and when I first heard it I was likeand this is some stupid shit but alittle bit it kind of grew on me in in aweird way so I don't know but yeah it'sit it's weird because like the hip-hopdance was breaking and a lot of newmusic yeah a lot of the music now youcan't really break to it now I mean itall just slowed down over the yeah yeahyeah I mean you can dance you can danceto it but doing like traditional breakstyle moves you can't really do due toit so it's it's a it's a weird subjectbecause it it is in the vein of hip-hopbut it's also like I mean for sure theybecome something different you knowbut yeah no I don't know I I dig it it'sthey're doing what they're doing youknow it I'm excited to see where it goesfrom there you know in like 20 yearslike what's gonna be happening peopleman fuck knows man I mean you couldn'tlike predict people say that shit'scyclical right and sometimes I see itlike even like I remember in the 90selectronic music or like the early 2000sas well it was all just a rehash ofdisco music like straight up it was justdisco music yeah yeah yeah and then nowlike not now but okay what like five sixten years ago you had like vapor waveand that shit became LM big and that wasjust a rehash of like later 80's discomusic and especially like the Japanesecity pop shit which is good I love cityyeah so like this is a there is acyclical aspect to it and especially inthese genres like hip hop and electronicmusic where you're sampling all the timereusing shitI think the cyclical nature of it ismore of the feeling or the the mood ofit you know what I mean because likedisco for instance it has this like kindof party like dance with you know theladies or whatever kind of feeling andthen like they kind of went to you knowto like like in house music in a way islike kind of the same sort of thing youknow it's got that same kind of mood toit or like you know I don't know reallyjust dripped down disco yeah it is theycame from the gay clubs in Chicago yeahwhat they were just like yeah it's juststrip it down and make it just pure forto the floor shit yeah yeah yeah butyeah it seems to me like people go oh Imissed that mood I missed that feelingand then now new artists are going likelet's try to recreate that mood withthis new shit that we got you know whatI mean yeah sure that's what I see withthe cyclical nature of it which I thinkit's tight but like I don't know likewhat trap is maybe from nothing maybeit's totally like a new thing but Idon't know where they got this idea tomake it like all half time to make thelike these like really staggeredsyncopated especially with the high hatsand snares yeah yeah I don't know whereI came fromI don't know where it came from eitherbut to me it seems like like maybedubstep kind of like influenced it alittle bit in the way that they do thesekind of drops and stuff like cuz whatabout music as well yeah yeah I meandubstep was always interesting to mebecause what would happen is like itwould do this crazy build-up and thenright when it drops it slows everythingdown it's kind of like the opposite ofwhat you were thinking was gonna happenyou know what I'm Sam like and it's likea traditional techno song it probablyjust start getting crazy you know what Imeanbut it's like you know the drop is likeyou know a transformer sound and it justkind of slows down the beat kind ofdisappears or in a way and I feel liketrap music took that same idea sort ofand then maybe extended it and made itmore of like a you know a rhythmic kindof wait I don't know but yeah it's it'san interesting style of music yeah but Icould see that there's pieces of otherstuff that are kind of in there I don'tknow I think honestly someone probablywas just messing around and then it just[Applause]caught on so I don't know who knowswhat's next yeah maybe a rehash of theof the 90s hopefully well you know whatactually to be honest low-five music isreally blowing up in the last likecouple years and I really think thatthat has huge influence from the 90s youknow what I mean yeah it does it's kindof like I would say that's like acontinuation of like the early 2000slike nujabes and Dilla those are likethe godfathers of this genre right yeahyeah yeah people often put my music inthat genre but I think it's like yeahnot quite butthe thing with like lo-fi music is yeahyou have that really low fire aspectright we're like the shit sounds likeit's actually mixed badly purpose yeahor like has this really like tapequality like where the fucking timeof the pitch you know of the sample orthe whole song even starts to go offright yeah so it sounds like this wobblylike riverboat you know yeah yeah Ithink it's specifically made to soundold and and I guess in a way that it itmakes it sound more nostalgic sort ofexactly which is why I'm going okay notthe 90s is when you would have beenlistening to something on a tape likethat and so it may it reminds me of thatand they got like kind of you know somelike chill like hip-hop beats orwhatever so but it it seems to me likeit's it's kind of some derivative ofthat style of music yeah you're probablyright[Music]so you said yeah you're not working onany new projects but you're just doingmore like DJing now yeah just diggingdigging for for other tracks to mix andlike setting up set lists and shit likethatokay are you gonna try to do any morelike DJ shows I mean now with fuckingnot yeah yeah actually you know what I'mcurious like I've been seeing like a lotof like DJs that are going on yeahvirtual social media and they're doingjust mixes and stuff and like I thoughtabout doing that I would need to buy acamera but yeah I thought about that Imean yeah I could do that ya know thatthat'd be tight no I think there's onedude from Japan DJ Coco have you seenthis fool no he's crazy man he'sincredible like he only uses 45s okayand and nothing else apparently andthe dude is just incredible his mixingskill his like you know blending his hisselection is just bananas I'm thinkinglike this motherfucker must sit all daytill I come up with these these sets youknow he's got to live that life I meanyeah he's nuts man check him out he'slike incredible sick Coco against KOC ohyeah what is he on YouTube or where canI find him on Instagram Instagram okayyeah that's where I see a lot of peopledoing it he's crazy man he's got likethis one like fuckin like he's blind inone eye so like you just like see thisfool doing it likes one eyes like oldwhite looking in the other direction butlike his hands and everything is so fastoh shit and so this is he does he does alot of mixing does view a lot ofscratching or yeah a bit not so much manscratching like that's one thing Ireally like kind of em I mean it's nottotally dead but almost like right youwanna go I don't hear anybody reallyscratch anymore which sucks because theydo it I mean they sweeping it in and ofitself it's become like just like anovelty like you'll go on Instagram andyou'll find like twelve-year-old girlsthat'll out scratch like the DMCchampion straight up but no oneincorporates it into their music anymoreback in the day you would have had somesome scratch hook like the you know DJpremier the 7/3 whatever but now yeah Idon't know yeah no I I definitely missedthat I remember I used to try to scratchit it's like it's a art form in itselfdude yeah for sure I loved watchingthose old bat those like battleswhat is it championships with likeGooglers yeah because it's like dudethis shit is crazy I remember they usedto throw a few shows like in Sacramentowhen I was a kid of like the same kindof thing like they would just bring someDJs in and do it and I was like god damnthis is crazy and it was all like beforelike cerrado and stuff and so yeah yeahjust like you you couldn't just tap abutton and be like okay here we go likeyou know what I mean I can know wherethat shit is on you you see guys withlike they'd stack their records all onthis on the thing so that they can likemix it and they throw that one off inand they keep going I was like dude thisis crazy the process is so it's so crazyI just haven't thought out like yeah youjust planned that shit like practicepractice practice practice practice andthen you got your nice little yeah doyou think you can do any kind ofscratching like that I know you do somescratching but I scratch but I'm backdude nowhere near the level of anythingyeah do you ever try to do that that'slike I never tried to do any like crazyshit like you oldies like crab into theflare into this no no I was always justlike how do I make scratching into partof my productions okay okay like that'swhat I always wanted to do okay like inthe beginning when I first started likeback in college like in Davis yeah likein oh three or something yeah you wouldbe DJing the parties I think that's howI met because you were DJing and thenyou started scratching or some shit andI was kind of like oh this motherfuckerknows what's up cuz like most DJ's likewouldn't do that but I was like oh thisfool has some technique and I thinkthat's why I started talking to youmaybe we're like are you like playingsomething that like some off-the-walllike kind of music and I was like yothis dude was digging for this like it'snot just some fucking Nelly song orwhatever you know yeah I always did tryto do that yeah but yeah that's how Istarted out with DJing parties and shitin Davis and then I also like I waslearning how to scratch but then likesuper quickly I just went you know whatI just want to make my own shit I'm notinterested too much now I'm getting backinto the DJing shit but likelike as soon as I shift it intoproduction that's all I wanted to doyeah so it was like okay like such asfor production I just need to knowsomething so okay I kind of just yeahyeah that's dope so you used outs rightwhen you started producingmaybe oh six oh seven okay yeah that'sprobably when I first heard your musicactually yeah I don't know probably yaknow trying to remember cuz it was likeAnnie I don't you I think probablythrough Andrews yeah I think it wasthrough auntwell I know I think I met you Adam oneof his parties and you were DJ ah likeyuanbao I think we're DJing or somethingah I was probably the Halloween party wethrew no I don't know you before thatyeah maybe I don't know yeah that was along time ago but yeah I I definitelyremember you know what I probably metyou before that but I didn't know youwere DJing but I I really I remember amoment when I was at one of thoseparties and I like heard the DJ justplay something crazy and I was like holyshit dude who's DJing this shit is dopeand then I looked over to wherever youwere and I was like oh shit I know thisdude and I think I talked to you and Iwas like bro you know what's up like youknow what I mean like I had an immediaterealisation that it wasn't some fuckingjust regular ass person just DJing youknow what I mean it wasn't you know wellanyways dude we're hitting about an hourright now so we should probably closethis show out soon do you have where canpeople find you yeah any fucking musicplatform Spotify turns title band campYouTube whatever whatever youtube soit's DJ fiction pH IX IO n is that rightyep yep like we were talking before likewhat were you sayingI picked that name because I wanted aname I could scratch yeah you know Icouldn't make up I couldn't use my ownname I couldn't make up some other nameotherwise I would never be able to findsomething saying it but Iname like shit let me find fucking youknow whoever jaew the damager you knowFat Joe or somebody saying that shitthat could be fiction you know ya knowthat's some old-school shit for sureit's like a lot of people used to dosomething like that because you can findyou can find a record or whatever thatsays that word exactly yeah I know Ineed someone that went by chemical orwhatever there you go same kind ofvalues I just used Serato I mean youcould just have your home where you'llrecord whatever yeah now it's a loteasier you couldn't just do a littleMike shout-out or whatever you needed tolike find a record that you can actuallylike scratch or whatever now it's Seratoyou can kind of do whatever the hell youwant which is which is tight I think itmakes for some I mean shit I haveSerrano right here so what the fuck am Iyou know I don't change Serato at all Ithink it's it's not pushed it's pushedthe world of like music production intolike its realms it could have never goneto so I really like that you know itallows like the I think it extended thelife of turntablism you know what I meanfor sure for sure man you know regulartechniques 1200 you know whatever thatcould have been man it wasn't for Seratoyeah people were just using controllersand CDJs forever yep yep yeah exactlyand so you know it allowed like italmost aloud like turntablism to go moreinto like a mainstream in in a way Ithink I mean not that it wasn'tmainstream in the 90s but it was a sortof dying out out a little bit you knowso but yeah I would save I can't buy theearly 2000s I meanwas I mean still had like fools likeBabu and shit like thatmm that's true battle records yeah withall the steel ones super seal that'sdope so everybody check him outDJ fiction cinema deck it's a reallydope album there's like what 15 tracks16 tracks something like that no is itme okayokay yeah yeah really dope I've beentrying to play I think my phone turnedthe music off but I'll make sure I put aplaylist on this whole podcast so youguys can check that out thanks for beingon dudethis was great thank you amazing manhopefully I'll get this out this podcastout pretty soondope hey thanks for listening guys peace[Music][Music][Music] 

Daniel Zhu, the creator of the popular social media channel, Stance Elements, discusses his insight on how his channels blew up on social media, social media marketing, the bboy scene, breakdancing in the Olympics, and the dance scenes similarity to the Esports scene.A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoys----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the probe boysis brought to you by free time are theremoments in your lifehas there ever been a time no those arenot questions I forgot to finish theyare legit inquisitions i have for all mylisteners free time is something that isoften overlooked in our lives but thesum of all our short moments in lifehappened to add up to many wasted hoursper day in that time consider how manybread making cookbooks you could haveread or how many shake weights you couldhave well shook next time you have aspare second consider using it in a more/ less constructive way by turning onthe noise of the broke boys podcast anddropping us alike thanks for yourcontinued support and now on to the show[Music]in this episode the creator of Stan'selements an online movement artsplatform sits down to discuss thehistory of its creation we discussvarious topics related to digital mediamarketing videography hip hop andentrepreneurship I had a great timepicking his brain about his side ofbreaking in social media that I don'tknow much about please enjoy the episodewith mr. Daniels ooh hellowelcome everybody to the slow subtlecollapse of society in podcast form thisis north of the broke boys I am yourhost Kurt the hurt and today I have aspecial guest his name is Daniel zu heis mr. Stan's the creator of Stan's theCEO of Stan I don't know what is yourtitle grand wizard of Grand Wizard justcall me a creators the Creator witchso Stan's is I consider it like in urbanarts like media platform but what whatdo you what do you call it we call it amovement arts platform movement artsplatform interesting ok yep so thatbasically is saying likeI guess you guys do dance you guys filmtricking you guys do yeah anything yourbody you've in some way can move andthen in artistic format of weather soit's not just dance it's just it'sreally men arts yeah I guess is the bestname for it he kind of made it that waybecause we wanted to just you know notback ourselves in a corner with onetopic yeah yeah okay and so the firsttime I think I saw stance was it was onyour YouTube channel in I don't know ifthat's where you guys started but Ithink that's when I first saw and youguys were posting a lot of footage fromb-boy battles and stuff and now you'vekind of grown to this social mediaplatform and then yeah and then filmingall these other different events and nowit's like I see like literally everylarge dance event you guys are there andit's like I don't watch footage toooften but when I do I immediately go toyoutube type in stance and then look atthat look at what you guys have so Iwould say that you know seems to me likeyou probably have the biggest or atleast the most successful media platformin this space which I'm curious like howthat makes you feel like what thejourney to get there it just seems socrazy it's uh it's a lot of momentumyeah it's a Activ that's I can say it'syou know you start something small andnow it's just you have a lot of momentumand then you know it feels weird likeyou go a couple of days without postanything keeper like so hmm what's goingon yeah yeah and so you just kind ofride that and keep going and goingyeah yeah yeah you know and theneventually get to where you are where Ithink now you're is it your face butlike I don't I think between all yourplatforms you've got like over a millionkind of subscribers or a couple billionsyeah a couple million wow that's greatso I mean that's that's crazy to thinkthat that came from breaking and nowit's to where you are now is just greatbecause you know when I started breakingthis was like events were barely a thingyou won an event and they were likehere's a some gas money and stuff andlike it was the ghettoest shit ever andso to see it now to where you guysthere's a legitimate media company outthere that is traveling the worldfilming all these huge events theirsponsors involved with the events andstuff it's just crazy to see that in mylifetime I was able to see that I meanit's really a short time in a way I meanI've been breaking less than 20 yearsprobably think about 18 19 years so tosee it happen within that span it's likecrazy it feels like we were in the StoneAge compared to to now and so like Idon't know it's just when I when I lookat Stan's it's like it makes me proud asa b-boy to see that we've gone so far toyou know be like a legitimate um I don'tknow what you'd call us but more thanjust some people rolling around on thefloor legitimate movement it's alegitimate movement yeah I mean at leastit's being recognized as that now yeahwe I think all of us always considered alegitimate form but you know yourparents are like rolling on the floorand shit yeah yeah that's our biggest Ithink I think every time we createsomething major or stance or somethingthat we always think about people likeour parents people that don't understandthe dance and we're like okay how can wereach these kind of people yes there'smore of these those kind of people thanthey are dancers oh yeah yeah and sowe're like okay we the more non dancepeople or non people associated with thescene that get addicted to this mmmyou know the more momentum we get yeahyeah and and I do think that that isgonna play a huge part in the the latersuccess of this culture as more peopleget involved with it see it fall in lovewith it and continue to follow it andhopefully participate in it not thatthey have to but I think you'll see youknow right now the participation rate isfrom mostly dancers but I think we'regoing to start seeing participation fromthe like viewers now youno like legitimate fans and stuff like Ikind of compared to like skateboardingor something you know we're you knowyou'll watch it on TV as on like the XGames and you're like dude this stuff iscrazyskateboarding Mme Mme yeah exactly noanything like there's a big boxing fightthis weekend mm-hmm I mean everyone theonline is talking about but who the hellreally boxes uh-huh yeah you know butthey're all fans yeah yeah I mean it'slike yeah a lot of the fans the they'lltake a boxing class or whatever butthey're not like some freaking hardcorein the disguising everybody but it'slike they're talking about anyways yeahit's like it's a casual fan casual notin the sense of that they don't knowwhat's going on in the sport but casualin the sense that they're not in thering punching each other oh I thinkwe're gonna see a lot more of that inBreaking and I do think that you guysare kind of a hinge point of making thathappenmm-hm and I know that there's a fewother creators out there that are alsodoing a similar thing to you guys but Isee you guys that's probably the biggestand also the catalyst to I guess makingwhat they're doing happen as well it'slike I really see you guys as the onesthat paved the way to make it happen Idon't know if you feel that way but Imean I'm a little ice I came from I camefrom the other channel to strife that'sright and that literally did pave theway that's right yes Drive yeah I guessthey yeah but you were involved withthat right and I guess yes like onceonce strife kind of whenever wentwherever it went you kind of took it tothe next level and continued to to pushit to where it is now so I don't knowit's just it's just cool to see that nowmm-hmmchanging topics uh I'm curious how youactually got involved in the hip-hopscene the dancing cuz I know you're fromSouth Dakota which yes like all I canthink of from there is like oil fieldsand like snow is that rightlike I don't see hip-hop is somethingbeing up farms farms yeah there's yeahpretty much there wasn't really muchhip-hop at all yeahbut I got I got into the scene becauseof college okay yeah and you went tocollege out there or no I went tocollege in a university Wisconsin okaythere's probably not a lot of b-boysthere either actually I have a friendwho's going to school in Wisconsin nowhe's in med school and he says there'snot a lot of people so imagine there'sprobably more than South Dakota there'sa lot more than South DakotaI mean Wisco Wisconsin you got thebenefit of you got the Milwaukee sceneyeah that's right you got the Chicagoscene okay they're all within an hour todrive away so you know when I started Igood friends with like motion disordersyeah yeah okay you know Rick heads Rickheadsyou know Chicago tribe Chicago Tribuneyeah yeah yeah so but no college was youknow you see you hear about these likebreaking clubs that they have in collegeand that's how I started you knowthat's tight ya know I have a lot offriends that did the same thing I meanone I went to UC Davis I was alreadybreaking before them but like once I gotthere one of my friends he started heused to do the Warriors games with meactually he started a club and I waskind of just a bum and I was like I'mgonna really be a part of I mean Iwanted to be a part of yeah but I waslike kind of like how about you do thework like come and break but he built ithe built the club up and he did a lot ofstuff with it and like introduced somany people to the dance and I look backand I'm like oh man I wish I could havebeen more involved with that now it'snot been so I guess selfishcuz the back then I was just like oh Idon't care about this I just want tobreak yeah but seeing seeing now thatthere's a lot of guys that started thenand kept goingI mean think is really cool and and andthat I'm seeing that happen more oftennow is like when people are going touniversities they're like beingintroduced to a lot of new things andhip hop is one of them in fact now hiphop is kind of being taught in someuniversities as like a subject yeah likea curriculum yeah there's a yeahI know a couple people that do that Imean even here in LA you gotI think UCLA and UC Riverside canswiftly he teaches okay I didn't knowthat yeah Wowyeah though I know my friend Serge frombeets and pieces he teaches out in themin the Bay Area couple schools I thinkum and then there's another guy who's Ithink in Chicago area who does it yeah Imean it's starting to get a lot bigger Ithink why not does it - yep all ski Paulski okay yeah so yeah it's yeah it justblows my mind to think about like thatlike those guys were there like ones youknow 20 years ago rolling on the groundyeah they're like oh yeah that's coolbut you know it's just rolling on theground but now it's like some stuffgetting taught in university so it's Idon't know it's just cool it's cool tosee that that can change we'redefinitely in a time where yeah I guesship hip hop culture is being more comingmore to the forefront of I don't knowcommunity pop culture I guess is thebest way to say itmm-hmm right before it was such anunderground movement and now it's nowit's a university course if that wasoffered nowadays and I was still inschool I would totally take it yeah Iprobably would do just cuz it's fun tohear the different viewpoints on thisculture because you know like I grew upin in Sacramento you know I know youknow somewhat history of everything butI know it from the point of view inSacramento so go into a universitylearning it from maybe someone who'sfrom New York or whatever in you know inKent Swift's case hearing where he'scoming from it's like hearing all theseperspectives it gives you a betterunderstanding of like what what thisculture really is yeah and I thinkdefinitely people who only know hip-hopmusiccoming into a class like that would gainso much stuff because most of my friendsthat only know hip-hop through musicthey don't know anything about like howhow breaking really helped create thatmusic in a way and I guess they don'tmaybe understand how direct that thatwas you know in terms of like the onlyreason a break really exists is becausea DJ was like oh I want to see thatdancer go off yeah let me replay thispart of the song and then oh let me rapto it okay oh now that's hip-hop musicoh dope that's like that directconnection I don't think a lot of peopleunderstand that and so I'm happy to seethat now there's that's becoming morethe forefront of the hip hop Coleman sohopefully hopefully casual musiclisteners start you know understandingthat too so but anyway so some so fromSouth Dakota to Wisconsin and then nowto LA were you in any place beforebetween there yeah okay so I was so inbetween college and here in LA I've beenin a bunch of places actually uh been inWashington DC okay then in West Africanice piece of court been in Alaska okayI've been to from Alaska up into Koreamm-hmm South Korea that was not NorthKorea no you know you can't not allowedin North Koreabut been to South Korea that was purelyon the fact that I just wanted toexperience the dance culture there okayI got a job just like his win oh youknow that's man that's that's crazy tolike to just go oh man I'm gonna pick upeverything I'm gonna move to Korea andlike you know just for the dance that'stight yeah yeah yeah and then and thennow here and then to Minnesota and thennow here in LA so I've been bebop inquite a bit and so where did Stan's fitin with that or I guess Drive TV andthen Stan's where did that fit in likewhen did that start for you like wherewere you2008 strife startedand that was all because of my collegefriends okay my friends from college atthe university Wisconsin we're like heythey recognize the need right they werelike wheat there's not an officialchannel that provides high qualityfootage yeah we'll do it yeah you knowand they moved here to LA - okay andthey they're the ones to film backgroundso what I was a career at that time andthey're like Dan you're in Korea Koreaseems really big can you get a cameraand film for us oh and I'm like sorrylet me let's do this Wow so you kind oflike fell into the film world right solike they just said here's like you knowgo get a camera and you have did beforethen have you ever thought that youwould be doing any kind of filming Ohwhat No uh sort of I am prior to beingin Korea I was in Africa and Alaska andum I you know I had a camera and I keptI did like blogs mm-hmm I had a head ofthis thing called a live journal wayback then okay um and by you saying uhyeah basically just showing people mylife yeah in other countries and it wasfun so I was thinking you know what it'sjust be like that in video form okayyeah I but I didn't go to video schoolor anything I my first Kim was a flipphone those like flip cameras in Koreaand that's where all the Korean strifefootage was car you serious I kid younotthat's funny oh man I remember going toa jam back when uhlike cell phones just started havingcameras and they were like you can't butya know dude that's crazy they'refilming I mean yeah that's that's reallylike the beginnings of YouTube I thinkall the footage on there was like2008-2009 around that time yeah it waslike flip yeah yeah that's yeah but itwas like those big Korean events thatyou never see yeah yeah yeah he had thegamblers you had the gene shows you hadthe ti peas you know like old schoolrivers old school like everyone wantedto watch that stuff yeahthat yeah that was me and so you werethe you were the pioneer of putting aKorean footage out I guess I mean Iguess there's a couple other guys thatwere doing it but that's I guess in theYouTube era that was you Lee you huh sointeresting so then from strife it whendid Stan's come about so ideally wewanted strife to go to where Stan's wasokay but all the rest of my friends justkind of lost interest in filming okaythey yeah they they either moved or theyjust didn't find interest in breaking oryou know they had other interests yeahyou know and so I was the only one andso that's when I created Stan's mainlybecause you know if you know just forbusiness purposes you wanted to be anactual owner I wasn't an actual owner ofstrife I guess just helping out at thattime yes okay so you're just you're anemployee of strife and then you you knowI guess you had the vision to create itto to where you took to where stancesnow and so you said okay well I need todo this if you guys aren't gonna help medo itexactly then build stance up owner andnow you have like a couple guys with youright it sucks starting from scratchagain with like zero views and yeah zeropeople it'll come but it came and uh youknow you still keep your real lifeconnections you still keep you you knowyou're friends with this event organizerwith your friends with all these otherb-boys and then definitely like when westarted Stan's a lot of people that werefilmed with me that I recruited tostrife came along okay you know sothat's why we had mad tech out in thebay he came along to Anderson out in LAhe had my friends out in the UK okay andthen I had another friends in Korea sowe covered a great portion of the worldscene yeah without you know mephysically have to travel there yeah butyou still travel a lot I switch outquite a bit yeah yeah but you got yougot a good team that's we have a goodteam like you know a good standingyeah good understanding yetthis this whole vision alive and runningand so like I guess how do you see itexpanding do you see it expanding moreto like getting more employees going tomore countries um I've been alwayscautious on expanding mainly becauseit's hard to keep quality control mm-hmmyou know you have you need to have thesame vision and then at the same timeyou need to have like a certain type ofteamwork involved that's you know ifthis whole stance fill thing wasn't funin the first place I wouldn't be doingit yeah yeah you know the less so it hasstill has to be fun for us yeah for sureyeah right and so yeah we do we doexpand we were trying to I think I thinkat the at this moment we're pretty goodfilming events around the world I thinkwhat we are working on next are justquality stories that you might not hearhmm within not only dance but otherdancer interests yeah yeah yeah and thenas well as other areaChandra's that we have a big interest insuch as tricking tricking yeah yeah Ithink the tricking is the next big thenext big thing yeah okay yeah um it'slike with all these new countries comingin I imagine it gets hard to reallyjuggle that and so yeah it seems likeexpanding your company to cover all thisstuff is like probably on the forefrontof like making stance successful and Iguess yeah training your team to youknow keep that same quality and then Iguess like figuring out what works withthese new things like tricking and stuffbecause I imagine the way you film andcover a b-boy event is probably not howyou cover a tricking event maybe there'ssome crossover but like there's youdefinitely gotta like get involved withthe scene to really understand likewhat's okay what's not and and then likejust go full in and then and thenunderstand that I guess maybe it's notsuch a big test but I'm just imaginingme if I was a videographer which I'm notI'm terrible at this kind of thing butlike I would I would I guess I wouldknow breaking because I'm a b-boy and Ican like know okay I don't want to jumpin the middle of the circle and likegetting this dudes away but liketricking I think I would just freakin goto the back of the room cuz I ain'ttrying to get kicked you know what Imean so it's like but I'm sure thatthat's not the best way to get footageso it's like figuring out where you gota stand-in like you know what's notgonna mess them up when they're doingtheir thing I feel like that's probablycore to like what you guys need to dofor that there's a lot of crossover it'spretty goodmainly because though uh you know whenwe decided stands to be a movement artspage it's because we looked at ourselvesand were like well we like dance whatelse do you like to do I like to go to agymnastics gym and mess around and jumparound okaylet's add that in what else do you liketo do this person likes to skateboardokay let's add I did what I'll see youknow when we think and so everyone haslike a different interest really drawupon different influences and likewiselike people trickers and gymnasts theylike to watch dance tooyeah yeah so you're like okay okay thisthere's so much crossover between allthese different things I mean like forone thing I think like music productionand stuff I think it actually crossesover with dance a lot more than peoplethink it does like I've started gettinginto music production a lot no I knowTech has too and it's just like I thinkas dancers we understand music a lot andso producing music becomes a lot easierthan I think someone who came in coldand I would think that I would think thecrossover between a producer coming intodance would probably be the same I meanbecause they obviously understand musicto a very high degree they might notknow how to move their body quite thesame way but that's just a matter oftraining a little bit to figure it outjust same same thingwith a b-boy trying a dancer trying tolearn music production it's like you gotto learn some of the music theory andeverything but like once you understandthe tools it's kind of just like getyourself into like a creative flow stateand just let it gocorrect that's like how that's how I'vealways been I mean IIIi was a painter along time ago and um and that's like howI would always paint is all just kind oflike get into the mode of painting mymom my mom is an artist so she kind oftaught me how to do this and then once Icame into dancing it was like the samekind of thing once I learned like a fewfundamental moves it was just like youget into this creative flow state andit's just like the same thing really butyou're just using different tools in away so yeah um I don't know I I imaginethere's that that's the same thing withlike filmmaking too like that you kindof you guys get some kind of creativeyou get into some creative groove andthen it just turns into like hours andhours and hours of you like making thisa really cool project or somethingthat's totally editing that's basicallywhat I've been doing for the entire weekediting pretty much yeah yeah I I'veedited a few videos in my life and theysuck a lot but it's yeah it feels thesame way that's the way to get betteryou suck a bunch and then you keep onsucking and yeah yeah just keep doing ityeah yeahthere's some good quotes on that but Ican't remember but yeah basically yeahit's the best way to stop sucking I lookat my old videos I'm like what was Ithinking yeah but that was a good ideaso I'll take that little bit I look atthe pot the old podcasts I've I recordedI'm like what the hell was I thinkingbut my god it's getting me to where Iwant to be then you're thinking likepeople really watched what I did dudeactually I haven't even posted a singleone because I keep looking back andgoing oh manlike I'm starting to figure out how todo podcasting a lot better and I've beenfiguring out like how to film better tooand so like now I'm looking at it likeoh I don't want to release these oldones cuz like I straight-up just didn'tgive it I like would walk in I mean likeI had good equipment but yeah I wouldcome in Ididn't have like a studio I mean I stilldon't really have a studio they justhave a freaking blank wall with somestuff on it but like I straight up wouldjust bring my equipment to like afriend's house they wouldn't haveanywhere to put it so we would likerecord on the floor and so it was ghettoas hell but I'm just like oh you knowwhat that brought us and it's not likethe conversation wasn't good I think itwas good it's just like if you don't seeany video you're like okay this was coolmaybe it was done in a real studio butyou see the footage in like all thesesitting on the freaking carpet so butyeah I don't know yeah humble roots Iguess is the best way to call it mm-hmmand I guess you guys have your own yourown humble roots as well so where do yousee yourself going next I mean like youobviously have a vision of where stanceis going but like what other hobbies areyou into and like how does that involvewith like the rest of your life and likewhere do you see that taking you I meanI see you have a league of Legends likeKeith I you know I I love eSports yup Ilove eSports obviously League of Legendsis huge yeah overwatch is huge you knowit's a it's a big scene yeah um andthere's actually crossover betweeneSports and like a movement arts - yeahbig I mean it's I mean competitive sceneI would think that there's like a lot ofcrossover in terms of like manydifferent they how people are reactingto each other some merchants hold on soeSports um I don't know a lot abouteSports but it's like it's reallyintrigued me to see where it is becauseit's kind of like I kind of look at itit's like breaking in a way because likeagain when I started playing video gameslike Super Smash Brothers when I waslike in middle school or whatever I waslike oh cool we're just gonna go over tomy friends house and just play orwhatever and now it's like there'slegitimate competitions for legitimatemoneyit's like broadcaston the internet and has started aroundthe same time it started around the sametime so it's like the scenes are kind ofgrowing I think it's really it comesdown to this digital age I think is it'sit's allowing everything to get aroundto more people but it's just so cool tosee all these new communities of youknow competitive sports competitivewhatever out there and and you knowsomething that I never would havethought would happen or I like I justdon't know anything about seeing it ifyou look at our stance produce livestreams with the commentators and mm-hmmthe way they talk to people and stufflike that it comes from eSports oh yeahI kid you not it's um I look at Leagueof Legends I look at Street Fighterlivestreams I'm like I want that settlewell I want that's it I like how they'reengaging with the audience I you knowthen that and that's where totally ourinfluences come interested you know theylook like they have a somewhat similarbudget to us that's interesting you knowthe ugly bar I I'm influenced by eSportsa lot and then you know I'm alsointerested in you know other things likeyou look at other influences of eSportshow many dance emojis there are ineSports no no like for tonighteveryone's in everyone's doing this fortonight moves rightI actually I have a theory that like thekids now that are learning to break youknow that are young like elementaryschool age are gonna start doingFortnight moves in as actual breakingmoves I think that's they already youknow yeah they probably already do theyalready do that I filmed the battle toit I filmed the battle two years ago andthis guy just flipped up in the air andjust laying on his side and then did hislittle floss move or something yeah it'slike okay it was it was fun it was funto see yeah but they already do and youknow it's uh if it gets them hooked tothe scene then yeah yeah it's yeah Ithink it's a good thing to see thatstuff I mean there's a lot of likebreaking purists and stuff that go likeoh it's not it's decreasing the rawnessof it but I think that those are justlike old people thatsalty or whatever I think seeing well myperspective is that the if you thinkthat that's gonna degrade its rawness Ithink you weren't raw in the first placeI think that you're you're you're justyou're trying to crap on someone else'sparade this this person sees somethingand now they're invested into the sceneI think that's a good thingand period really like I can't see areason why that would be a bad thingthat some what some new people are beingintroduced into the dance every everygeneration basically every decade thator so there's there's always like dancerelated media out there or names relatedtrends that that may seem cheesy at thebeginning yeah but it gets young kidsinterested yeah you know I've seen theirstories of like really high competitivedancers that started with you got servedoh yeah and like that movie if youreally saw at me and that was supercheesy it was a cheese dude but theystarted and now they are at the top oftheir scene right now and they arefucking wrong yeah yeah beat Street isthe cheesiest movie ever you know that'sa hot take but battle me Beach Street isso cheesy it's a dope movie sure butit's cheesy as hell breaking is breakingand breaking to electric Boogaloo arealso two of the worst movies everI mean cheesy in terms of were worsethan cheesy movies even Flashdance dudethat was probably the first timebreaking was on like a big screen thatmovie's cheesy as hell it was a catalystand got people to catalyst yup yes so Imean yeah I don't know I think it's um Ithink it's it's great to see that and Iguess with the with the oncomingOlympics in 2024 which is in Paris Ibelieve yeah now you're gonna see it onanother stage to a whole new audience Ithink we're gonna also see a huge influxof new b-boys as well there already isbecause Olympics yeah and from the theJunior Olympics right from the Juneit's like I try traveling around the USAjust the USA itselfa lot of my friends as dance studioshave had influx of students that justwant to learn yeah you know so manylittle kids are enrolling in their dancestudios and it's great yeah I think it'sgreat too and and that's just the USAyou know Japan is another monster Russiais another monster China especially Imean you're just getting kids enrollingeverywhere yeah and these little kidscan fly and yeah you can fly I didn'teven break when he you know he's like Ididn't start breaking the laws maybelike 14 you got these 10 year olds thatare like flying and stuff so I'm likedang dudewhat is breaking gonna be like when theyare my age I'm 32 I mean maybe maybetheir bodies just gonna be broken butlike if they're 10 years old and can dolike twice as much as I can do dang dudeI don't know I don't know what to saybut they're gonna be crazy yes yes so Ithink that's exciting to see thatso I guess once the Olympics rollsaround in 2024 we're gonna see some veryhigh-level stuff there and I get youknow what I'm curious about actuallywith the Olympics and I don't know ifyou would be the person to know thissince because you are like a it on theadvisory board or whatever right and soI'm curious like how they how they planto actually do this is it like gonna bebattles as like were used to in thebreaking communities they're gonna bemore like a showcase kind of thing likelike a show or something I know they'redoing what like a 1 one-on-one kind ofsituation and then I guess I'm curiousabout like how it's being judged and Idon't know maybe maybe yeah so thecatalyst of the Olympics is WDS F worlddance sport Federation mm-hmmthey're the main dance sport you knoworganizational group around the worldand they like oversee all the dancingthere so like salsa and correct yeahyeahand luckily they've organ they did theYouth Olympics two years ago yeah lastyear they did two other events the WD SFchampionship in China and then you hadthe world urban games on Budapest sookay it's and you there's already videosonline of those events okay we wecovered a couple of them and it's it'sjust it's really just and they have ajudging system they have you know justlike any normal dance event that youhave like the judges that we're used toyou have the competitors that we wereused to hmm things like that yeah theDJs and the music that we're used to soit really isn't any different it isn'tany different than other breaking eventsthat we have seen okay I guess the onlything that only difference is thatthere's so for me I feel there's a lotof rounds it's okaylike oh my gosh it was like the ready mogroup stage and then you have a tough 16to 8 and your people those dancers weretired those dancers are tired so werethey doing like five round battles everytime or something or it was like it waslike two three round battles every timestarting from group stages I actuallymissed that because when I first startedbreaking that's how it was it was likeyou would go a crap ton of rounds andyour rounds wouldn't be like as long asthey are now and so yeah I mean I thinkbattles were just longer I don't knowand then now it's like you see one roundbattles which to me feels kind of weirdI don't know it kind of works I guesswith what we're doing now but it's itstill feels weird to me but I don't knowthat I think that's cool that they'redoing more rounds but it definitely putsyou to the test I can imagine you gottabe an athlete you have that stamina yeahyou gotta be a gold medal athlete to getthat gold medal yeah yeah but I meanyeah I guess that comes with theterritoryyeah but no the organisationally yourall the stuff that you see is onlinealready Youth Olympics in 2022 gonna bein Dakar Senegal that would be anotherwarm-up for the Olympics in 24 but Ithinkyeah having Paris be the forefront ofthis is gonna be greatyeah cuz that's the first time I don'twill be a part of it right yep and it'llbe most likely you'll be they haven'tdecided yet already but it's most likelygonna be one-on-ones okay just keep itsimpleactually I know I know we want to seecrew battles but yeah the first time Ifeel it's too much we got is just startwith one on ones firstyeah yeah yeah what what do you likemore as a sidenotecrew battles are won on well Holly Ilove crew battles do you know I'vealways loved crew battles and anotherhot take is like I freakin love watchingroutines and know there's something likepurist b-boys that are like routine suckand stuff but like I don't know I'vealways loved routines I'm the crew Iused to be a part of his flexible Flavoh you guys had great routines yeah dudewe like we're kind of on the I don'tknow innovators I guess of the routinegame and so like I don't know I'vealways loved doing routines and stuffand just watching new stuff coming solike you know I was inflexible Flavuntil 2020 no it's 20 2007 I think iswhen I stopped 2008 maybe 2009 I don'tknow I don't know one of those dates butlike before then it was like we werealways making these routines and like wewould see another crew like starting todo the same thing once we stopped oronce I got out of the crew then youstarted seeing more crews like jinjo andstuff coming out at that point I thinkrivers and gamblers were already likehuge on the routine game and so it's Idon't know a top 9 huge in the routinegame so I don't know I missed that cuzyou don't see it so much anymore I thinkeverybody used to cut mad cuz all thosecrews are winning every I love crewbattles because like like Saints likesame example your crew you had when yourcrew memberswell associate chram it was dizzy rightoh yeah he was he was not really flexplay but he was like he would enter alot of battles he understood the theFlex Flay battleyeah ala D which is like you're notgoing you're you you it's like there's acertain way to winyeah yeah right and whether it isthrough teamwork or whether it's it'snot the hardest move it's just how youdo it yeah and that's what and that'swhat made like crew battles so more muchmore intriguing you have someone do acrazy move and the other team willrespond with something totally differentyeah hmm what the routines what I alwaysliked about routines was that it wasanother element to control the battleyeah like with one-on-onesyour arsenal is kind of your limitationto controlling the battle like you seethis guy attack you in a certain way youcan do a lot of things to to respondright but like with a routine you canalmost like bulldoze them a little bitbecause they throw something at you evenif they threw a routine at you then youturn around and eat and you can goalright here's this crazy trick boomhere's another crazy trick here's thisreally cool choreography set and nowboom flip over BAM there's a dude andhe's just gonna like do what a normalb-boy would do in like go off andrespond to everything that you threw athim it's it's just kind of like extraicing on the cake Joe to say that youknow we we're controlling this battlenow you know and so that's why some ofthe greatest battles in in history Ithink have always been like crew battleswhere you see something like you'll seeone crew really controlling it then allof a sudden boom it's like the tidetotally shifts and I feel like a lot ofb-boys maybe felt that routines werelike hacks in a way it gets to refer tolike eSports like they're using hacksnow because it's like it's so effectiveto like to draw another crew into yourinto your own into your strategy to winif they can't respond with routines welland usually crews can't it's like oh noI'm gonna lose now you know you got tothrow some really crazy thing you got tohave pocket take every freaking roundafter that - like really respond oh soit's like I don't know I definitelythink they they felt like it was hacksbut but you can tell bad routines youcan yeah there's definitelyyou can beat bad routines with a goodsoul around yeah sure but it's hard tobe a really good routine with a solo andI think that just goes to show you thatlike that's how powerful a good routinereally is and so I think to embrace itand say okay I'm gonna use this as partof my strategy is is is something that Ithink the whole community was ontosomething when it was really sparkingoff and then when there was this bigsurge in people like not liking and Ithink it kind of killed it a little bitso but I'm seeing it happen more so I'mexcited to see maybe like some crewbattles in the future with maybe even inthe Olympics yeah I like watching crewbattles this year you can this you'regonna have five and five freestylesession okay cool pseudo crew battleyeah I went my personal favorite eventto film is battle year okay I lovewatching battle year do you like it cuzof the shows uh the shows are cool Ilike seeing my favorite shows actuallyare seeing countries that don't get achance to be on stage oh yeah like soyou get to see the Senegal's you get tosee like Madagascar you can oh yeah yeahlike country said alright normally onthe stage see it those are beautiful funand then I like to see you knowsometimes I like to see the battleswhere you have a country that you didn'tthink of make it you know last year lastyear Venezuela came all like Venezuelaya know when two years ago was likeThailand uh-huh you know like that thoseare funny yeah whenever I see stuff likethat I'm like dude they got breakingover there and I mean like that's kindof an ignorant thing to say butespecially because my brother Vincesanity he's he teaches he has all hisYouTube videos yeah and he he alwaysshows me like where his videos are beingwatched in a lot of them are like inthese crazy third-world countries I'venever heard of you know and so but thenseeing them come to like the stage ofbattle of the year and you're like ohthese guys are like really good - yeahcrazy soI don't know what I guess what in battleI don't really haven't really seen a lotof battle of the year recently but dothey still do those shows the showyup cases okay cuz I always thought thatthat was such an interesting way to likeweed out crews - you're like top fourthey probably do like top eight they dotop six now 600 that word the first twocrews no I'm gonna buy Ohgonna buy and then you have fourwildcard interesting so then the wildcarves battle and then they link up withthe first first place in second placecrews tie okay that's that's crazy yeahthat's because yeah I used to be justtop four yeah and you know they came allthat wayyeah and what do you want to see morebattle yeah no there was a there's astory I think of like cuz the US wasbanned for a long time for comingbecause I think one of the crews I'm notgonna say who was but they came andapparently like destroyed like a hotelroom because they didn't make it to thebattles and thought that they shouldhave and so then they were like you knowu.s. is banned and then I think it tooklike good five years or something to letthe u.s. back in so not that not thatthey should have done that or anythinglike that's definitely a bad way to actbut you know now you know having moreability to make it at us top categoriesI think it's like nice because becausereally like breaking has expanded somuch you're gonna have so many peopleending I mean on all these bigcompetitions I'm always seeing like fourhundred people entering or something andit's like geez man that's crazy I'm usedto like 10 people and 20 people enteringor whatever you know it's just more moreinterest more more people interested inyou know yeah and you haven't gonecheyna yet yeah you've got full days 13hours of prelims Wowthat's I mean that's insane yeah I meanyeah I guess yeah I guess that's anothertopic by itself I went to ibe and theyhad a whole day of likeprelims I remember and it took a longfreakin time it wasn't 13 hours but feellike it was like five or six hours orsomething like that just like kind of inthe same it's like a jam in itself youknow yeah kind of like you gotta winthis Jam out of like fifty people andyou know they have like a bunch ofdifferent groups of that you gotta winthat and then you're going against allthese other people that won their groupof fifty the next day or whatever that'sthat's insane so but but it's anexciting time I think for breaking forsure going back to the Olympics I hadanother question about it because likeso you're saying that Olympics is youknow for the most parts as far as youcan see it's very similar to the eventsthat we are used to but I'm also I'mcurious about like the rules that theyhave in terms of like who canparticipate because I know there's likeyou know in others in other Olympicsports there's a lot of stuff likedoping in the event in drugs and stuffand like I don't know not to put the thebreaking scene under the bus but there'sa lot of people that use drugs and soI'm like I feel like the OlympicCommittee would probably be like youknow what I I don't know I'm not reallyfamiliar with drug testing I don't knowmuch about it but I would assume there'ssome kind of requirement I mean luckilythe Olympic start this year 2020 andsimilar sports such as skateboardingwill be there for the first time is itreally yup skateboarding Oh surfing soeverything - yep so just keep your eyesopen that's if you see what happens yeahI mean you can't say that people thatskateboard don't do drugs yeah I meanit's prominent in I imagine every cloudyin sport but yes sir us snowboardinglike oh sure you know so just keep youreyes open see what happens and yeahbasically like skateboarding is greatbecause you you you you take a look atwhat its gonna happen at the Olympicsyeah and you're like okay similarlythat'swhat will happen to breaking in 2024mm-hmm in terms of you know media andyeah coverage and things like that yeahI I guess I'm I'm a little bit scaredbecause like I know that the breakingscene kind of needs to be on its bestbehavior a little bit when that comesaround or else you know the Olympicscould just be like ah these guys are toohard to work with so you know I know itand the way the reason I'm bringing thisup is cuz like I know like the stuffthat happened with like you deaf and howSteve Graham decided to just kind ofcome cancel the whole thing really andthat was really kind of a decision Imean it was a personal decision for himbut a lot of it came from he was gettingso much backlash from the community andstuffiness like I don't want to dealwith this anymoreyeah and unfortunately he you know hadto just terminate the the whole set ofevents and and I guess really hisbusiness so I I don't want that tohappen when the Olympics comes downbecause I think that that'll be just ahuge punch to the face of the wholecommunity because there's so many Iwould say like 95% of the communitywants to see this once I see thecommunity grow wants to see more peopleinvolved want to see fans want to seejust I guess it in the Olympics it'slike an accomplishment to the scene tosee that happen but then the small 5% ofpeople that are like I'm too raw forthis could easily ruin it for everybodyand so I and that's why I'm I was askingthe question about drug test cuz it'syou know I want everybody to to have theright information going into it ifthey're thinking about competing in itjust be aware that maybe that is gonnabe something that's involved with it'sokay if you're a drug addict get cleandude not just for the Olympics but foryour own health but so but yeah I thinkbeing the scene being on his bestbehavior I think will be the best way toreally like prove that we are worth itbecause I think showing showing theOlympics not that we need to like proveanything but I do think that firstimpressions matter a lot and this isgonna be one of the first impressions Imean I guess we saw it with the JuniorOlympics but I imagine you know thesekids you know they have their parents tolike stop acting up yeah but we're gonnahave a lot of adults that I feel I feelwe're pretty good on a big stage I meanyeah I think so too you take a look atbig stage events like BC ones there yeaheveryone's on their best behavioryeah you know every I've just heard alot more chatter about the Olympics cuzthere's just a lot of like people goingoh it's run by you know whatever salsadance whatever and like I don't knowwhat you're talking about but you knowit seems to me like it's gonna be likeany other event just you know now it'sgot the backing of a big organizationand it's on a bigger it's on thisdifferent stage I guess yeah but it'sit's business as usualI would imagine same kind of music samekind of judges same kind of thingeverything you would expect justdifferent audience Madrid you know or amixture of the new audience and theexisting audience so I don't know it'sexciting and a little scary I think Idon't know I mean I'm I might just be 2or being worried for no reason but butlike I said just take a look at snowskateboarding this year yeah andthere'll be something similar yeah ok Iguess skateboarding has been on a largestage for such a long time I mean withthe X Games and stuff so I think a lotof people I mean in a way skateboardingis probably 20 to 30 years ahead of thein the pop culture aspect as breakingbecause it's been on that stage sincemaybe like the 90s or like maybe mid 80sor something and at that point breakingwas barely even knew a thing at thatpoint so but anyways yeah I don't knowmaybe I'm just rammedbut it it's something that that worriesme a little bit about it and I guessalso judging because um eivol eivol wayshad a thing about judging because itthis is like a art form and in a waythere's a lot of opinion that isinvolved with a judge's decision of whowins and I've always been curious howthat would play out on a larger stage orlike you know when an organization suchas the Olympics is backing an event ifthey're coming in and going like ok wellhow do you guys judge this and they gooh you know we point to the guy wethought we want and then they go oh wellwhy and then you go give me like somequantitative curriculum or give me someyet quantitative reason for why they wonit's really hard to do that I think Imean you can we can say okay it's on apoint system we're giving you thisamount of points for this type of moveor this you know this particularcategory but I think when it startsbreaking down like what you're judgingon it kind of falls apart to whereyou're just going like I like what thatdude did over what that dude is so it itbothers me a little bit cuz I think ifyou know the Olympics starts like reallydigging into what that is like what howthey would react to that I don't know ifmaybe there's other sports Olympicsports that are judged in a similar wayI mean if you're skating figure skatingI was thinking like because you're apurely numbers opinion-based sometimesyeah I know but with with figure skatinga lot of times as they say okay here'sour routine that we're doing and then wehave these big moves at this point thispoint this point so they know what towatch for and then ultimately they'regrading them on how they land that thosemoves and so they have a point system onthat and then they'll give them anotherscore on like their creative creativityand like all the dancing and stuff thatwas involved with that I think thatcomes into that score so there's like asmall part of it that's on that kind ofsubjective scale and I guess that worksI guess it's also kind of with floorroutines forfor Olympia Olympia gymnasts it's kindof the same thing but I was trying tosee how that relates to braking and itwas hard for me to figure that outbecause it's not like you're going up tothese judges and saying hey I'm gonnahit every flare flare windmill 90 andthey're like okay I'll watch for thatyou do it dude and then you're gonna geta creative score for like whatever otherthing you're gonna do but I mean a lotof it is how you're responding tosomebody right and in a way I think it'smore like combat sports because you dosomething to me and I'm gonna react toit in a way right and then I dosomething to you and you're gonna reactto it away so to me it seems like somekind of merge between those two thingsand I just don't I don't know judginghas always been kind of like on my mindabout how you know because I thinkthat's probably one of the other hingepoints in making taking breaking fromwhere it is now to the like you know NBAlevel sport or something MMA level sportI think the way we've always judged jamsand events now has always worked and wehaven't really questioned it too muchbut I think when it moves into you knowbigger space where there's like actualcasual audience they're gonna go likehow do I know how do I judge this myselfyou know what I mean in like with youknow like UFC fighting casual fans dounderstand that you know because theythere's there's a lot of just criteriathat is spelled out on how to make thatyou know how to how to I guess get yourwin right and breaking I don't thinkthere is that like because I justimagine if I showed a battle to my momwho knows barely anything about breakingI mean she knows something but I don'tthink she could judge a battle but if Isaid who wins and it was like close Idon't know if she could probably figurethat out you know because there's notreally a quantitative way to do that andalso I think there's an argument to bemade that it there doesn't need to be aon a tative way because this is again anart form and I do think that when ajudge says I like that's what this guydid and his around more than that Ithink that's actually a legitimate wayof judging because again it's likejudging a painting two paintings thatare completely different from each otheryou might be like I like thebrushstrokes in that and that shit lookslike crap to me you know that's why Ilike that one more and then someone elsecould be like oh I like you know thecolors in this and not that one that's alegitimate point of view too so I don'tknow the the merger between those Ithink is is something that's always beenin my mind of them like we're breakingis gonna be in I don't know if thereever will be a solution to that and I Idon't imagine you you have a solution toit either partly judging so complex it'svery common I'm just happy I'm justdoing video yeah yeah yeah there'severyone has a different judging formatand a judging system definitely yeah soso yeah I just figured that maybe theOlympics was gonna be more of like akind of strict on like what they'redoing well I mean they use the systemthat originated from renegade and stormand okay so I mean like I said look atthe Youth Olympics okay that judgingsystem will be familiar with thatthey're still in play it there's a lotit's a lot of numbers it's a sliderbased system oh I'll have to look intothat YUMyou said that was from renegade andstorm renegade storm there's a coupleother people that involved with I wouldsay neke from rugged 's okay would behelping out but if you look in the YouthOlympics if you look at the WDS Fchampionship from last year in Chinathey all use it so it's still I mean Iwould assume buy-in within four years orso when 2024 they would have a more firmyeah and there's a big handbook to it toa big hand but everyone has to bebriefed I wouldn't hit a handbook I kindof want to read it it is online actuallyokay yeah yeahokay cool um yeah I'll have to look intothat yeah cuz that that's that'ssomething that I've been like reallytalking to so many people about and it'sit's kind of something that you know weall are kind of like stuck on and Iimagine everybody's stuck on it but likeat least seeing you know where we're atnow maybe building on that cuz I knowdizzi has his systemyeowch I think is a good start my issuewith his system was always that like andfor people who don't know it's there'slike five categories and you have onejudge for each of those categories Ithink that's like a pretty good startit's my problem was always that you kindof have this one you know monarch ofthat particular thing that particularcategory but ultimately I think everyall five of those judges probably havesomething good to say about thatcategory so i i imagine maybe that's howStormin and renegade system maybefactors more into like every judges maybe judging on each of those categoriesright okay yeah cuz I think that thatwould probably be a little bit fairerway of doing it or at least like more ofa mud majora majority rule type of wayof doing itthis this I had this one idea a longtime ago and it was to just have like 20judges and hear me out cuz I know itsounds crazy how do you afford 20 judgesI don't know you can't afford it I don'tknow I don't know yeah but cuz breakingkind of started as like you know acombat between two dancers in a circlewith a crowd and usually you were tryingto like burn the other guy in front ofthis crowd to you know get a responsefrom the crowd so in a way the crowd isalready the judge from the verybeginning of whatbreaking was so it kind of makes sense alot in now that we're in this more youknow well-defined Creek competitiveworldthat maybe it makes sense to just have acrowd of judges right twenty peoplestanding around the circle or whateverand they are judging as if they were acrowd member but instead of it justbeing like your mom and you know yourgrandma or whatever to around in thecircle it's like storm and you knowrenegade or whoever all these other youknow well-versed dancers and peoplewho've been in the scene for a long timeknowledgeable people in that crowd so Idon't know that was just a weird ideahouse throwing out and then kind of likeyou're just saying okay well themajority of these people said this guywon okay maybe that's the way to do itthen you know at least it at least likegets rid of the argument a little bitwhere they go oh yeah this was onlythree panel judge and those two judgesdon't like me or something you know Idon't know but that's always bothered mewhen people say that like I think you'rejust complaining but well anyways Ithink we've been going for about an hourI want to probably close the show out soin closing like do you have any otherhobbies outside of hip hop in you knowhow does that like kind of go into yourlife and you know I mean like like likeI said already I love eSports you lovethese sports yeah I a lot of my hobbiesI draw is I you can I draw you knowinsight into what I do so I take alittle bit of what I see in eSports andthrow into stance coverages I travel alot travel a lot I make a lot of travelvideos you know apart from working youknow with dances stuff like that I dofreelance travel videos mm-hmmI work with hotels I work with travelcompanies tourism bureaus yeah and wecreate you know commercials like thatyeah and so a lot of times for example Ijust got back from Mexico okay and I wasthere to cover an event for a week andthen I stayed in nextweek just to travel around and filmtravel videos okay that's that's awesomeso you know things like that I I drawinterest in yeah yeah I heard you'realso filming umaces wedding yes I doI do the occasional wedding when I firstmoved to LA I I filmed a lot of weddingsand so yes I I do weddings and Iactually learned how to do weddings froma b-boy from the bay by the name Natronoh yeah nature own yeah nature does alot of wood he had a business with acouple other guys from his cousin giardiis that were his brother Jordie I don'tthink it's his cousin but when I startedfilming weddings for the first time outI went to I I messaged me Tron's likehey show me one of your wedding videosand I'm gonna copy this exactly becauseI have no idea what wedding videos arereally this is weddings videos are goodand and you know what in terms filmingweddings have helped me film breakingevents tooyeah because it made me understand likewhen to anticipate moments oh yeahcertain important moments whetherthey're doing something or they'retalking something oh yeah or somethingis about to happen that you can you cananticipate it yeah it's like you got yougotta read the whole room and know likewhat's about to happencorrect you gotta be in the spot whereyou're like I guess you're invisible inthe sense that you're not ruining themoment but you're also in the best spotto capture it yes yeah imagine there's athere's an art form to Perth exactlysaid it just right yeah so it has helpedme so just filming so many types ofvariety of things help me in filming youknow stanceyeah well tight dude yeah well great Ithink that was that was dope I I thinkthat was a learned a lot from from youand like what you're all aboutthank you that's been great do you haveany last minute shoutouts while I closethis show out Thank You Kurt for havingme onyes yeah thank you for coming dude Ireally appreciate ityeah trying to get this podcast out verysoon so I'll let you know when I do thatyes and then you know it'd be great tohave you on again I'm trying to maybefigure out a way to get like multiplepeople in a podcast yeah we have so manyof I mean more than more than happy tocover on a variety of topics yeah youknow um I know I know later in April I'mgoing to an event in Toronto and I'mgiving I'm giving a little mini workshopthere on social media ya know like howto get views how to what are what'swhat's exactly the algorithm way or howyou you know quote unquote things likethat you know like the motored chef he'sa good friend of mine he's like Dan Iwant you to give you a talk and havepeople have an insight on how to createa brain and how to do this let's do it Ineed to go to that cuz I don't know crapabout social media like I actually justfrickin don't use social media yeah likenow that I'm starting this podcast I'mlike oh I guess I gotta learn how to dothat my brother's pretty good at itJoe I can learn some stuff from him butI could definitely use the help on thatcoz I'll be hitting you up well thankyou uh for for joining me today andthank you guys for listening sorry thisjust sucks[Music][Music]you[Music] 

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show[Music]in this episode I talk with a b-boy whohas significant experience in both theEuropean and American breaking scenesthis guy really puts me on game aboutlife as a dancer in Europe in the early90s I had a great time learning abouthis history and picking his brain aboutvarious topics please enjoy the episodewith ill jazz or Elyas of the Roughneckshello everybody welcome to the disastershow that I just fucked up Dana pressrecord so here we are hopefully I cansalvage something from what we recordedwith my boy ill jazzhe's from Switzerland we are talkingabout break dancing and you know how Idon't know how to record podcast so okhow long have you been dancing oh I so Istarted dancing with my younger brotherhe's one and a half year younger than meand we started in 9899 okay and it was agood time I'm happy we started still inthe nineties yeah and before that weplayed soccer we did inline skating likehalfpipe and everything and then we tieand then one day we we saw like the RunDMC it's like that music you know andthat was like dope and shit you know butwhen when to use scented they have ahalfpipe and we went with the inlineskates yeah and then we look insidethere was a zombie voice you knowunderneath no it was a halfpipe andthere was a building right next to it ohand there were windows and I looked inthe windows and then I want I needed togo to the bathroom I go inside and I seesomebody doing 90 oh I didn't know what90 is you know and that was a shit Iwant to learn that you know and thensince then we threw out the inlineskates and we started breaking and sohow old were you I was 15 15 that'sprobably about when I startto us and 14 or 15 em and I had noflexibility because of Socratic likeXena almost like I was pretty flexiblewhen I started because I did Taekwondofor a long time and so we would you knowyou'd have to kick really high and stuffso I was kind of flexible from that butI used to skateboard actually um so Iknew about half pipes and stuff I had alot of friends that did inline skatingand so we would go to those lots ofskate parks and I wish I had beenbraking at that time cuz I totally wouldhave done windmills on it because it wasjust so smooth yeah I didn't break Iquit I kind of quit skating to breakyeah because it was waiting let's I justfelt like skating was so dangerousno it's I saw so many people just falland break the wrists my cousin broke hiswrist actually but I had another friendwho broke his ankle and they were doinglike you know shitty tricks yeah youknow kickflip and they like mob and it'slike if you did a windmill and brokeyour arm like you know what I mean it'sjust the generic you know beginner tricksort of like the sport and you justbreak you know I I started with skatingfirst actually yeah and then I went tothe mini ramp and I went there theskateboard stayed thereoh do back oh yeah I tried I triedinline skating I picked it up prettyeasily actually but I just never was toointo it um I was just more intoskateboarding yeah but I had somefriends they would like you know jump upand grind on stairs they showed me howto do that so I learned kind of some todo that stuff man like 10 years after Ihaven't done anything on the inlineskates mm-hmm I stand on the halfpipe Icouldn't go down it's scary yeah I waslike man how did I do that yeahyou know what I mean yeah no shit we'renot yeah when I was in she wouldn't Iwas skating I think I started when I wasprobably like 11 and I went tillprobably 15 or 16 maybe and yeah I usedto go on half pipes and stuff and now Ilook at him like holy yeah and it wouldgo off like stairs and stuff and go ontorails and I'm like what the heck how didI even do this I mean I wasn't reallygood at it or anything but I just I feellike I was maybe less fearless yeahyeah now yeah yeah back then we just didit man yeah I remember when I started alittle bit braking and still a littlebit in Nice skatinghey they have like this ramp going downand then this little island yeah I flewyou know I started breaking I had somuch energy and different I flew overthat thing and I landed like two metersaway from it you know and that was likeshit whatever I gotta do I just roll thereally coin drop and then you know whatbraking has saved my life a couple timesgood yeah there was times when I wentsnowboarding and you just you're goingso fast down a hill and you just hitlike something and you just eat shit andI'm like you know I probably should havebeen wearing a helmet but I wasn't andit's just like woop and then for somereason it kicks in I'm like oh I knowhow to like land and I'll do a coin dropor something in like you know so my headdoesn't get hit and you know I kind ofrollers or whatever to roll out and thenI stand up and people are like I gotsomething from cats yeah cuz I mean in away braking is just like falling butshowing off at the same time sort ofsmooth so it's like you got you you gotgood at jumping on the ground yeahbut fun fact is when we started breakingwe thought it's a sport oh you did yeahlike so we yeah before we startedbreaking with inline skates we welistened we discovered to puck and weknew that hip-hop and Cypress Hill yeahyou know to pass episode exhibit NWA alittle bit you know so all that madetheir way to but I thought this iship-hop yeah yeah in the nineties men welistened all the golden era yeah and wethought that's hip-hop but we didn'tknow aboutwe knew graffitis somehow mixed withhip-hop you know DJs they have therappers have a DJ you know but we didn'tknow breaking is part of hip-hop youknow but when we started we learn allthe four elements and yeah knowledge theculture and everything you know yeahyeah but first we we did it because welike this sport yeah yeah yeah I meanit's it's definitely cool and I firstsaw I mean I I don't know when I firstsaw I think I first saw it when I usedto watch pro wrestling and there was agroup - cool and the one guy his specialmove was he would just throw you on theground and then he would just dancearound you and then do the worm she allthe way across the ring and then justwhoo and like elbow using the base I wasin probably in middle school I wasprobably maybe 12 years old when I firstsaw that so I thought breakdancing waswrestling that's crazy but so yeah butmaybe because we stop breaking in onlymusic videos you know back then you knowand it was all kinds of music it wasn'tonly like hip-hop music yes like housemusic dance music you know techno youwere always saw a b-boy somewhere youknow yeah so we didn't connect it withhip-hop yeah I think in the 90s that waswhen house music started really likecolliding a lot with with hip-hop yeahyeah yeahbut yes so I'm interested in like howhip-hop looks in Europe compared to herecuz just like I've seen hip-hop as Igrew up here and I imagine it's waydifferent in Europe because like herehip-hop was always associated with likegangs and like you know people mischiefcausers he's done you know I mean I meanI don't know there is two ways ofhip-hop like people that are passive andthere are people that are active youknow they like back in the 90s hip-hopin Europe was like you're not hip-hop ifyou're not in an element you know if youbeatbox you okay you when it's not likereally official apart or of hip-hop butyou're still hip-hop you know okay butif you break or beatbox or MC or DJ orgraffiti you you part of hip-hop andthen there is other people they justfriends and they hang out with and theydress a pup listen hip up and whateverbut they're not active you know okaythat's how you us okay I guess it's kindof like that now yeah yeah I know butmore back in the day it was like yougotta be super down like b-boy was yourlife you know you you lived that lifeyeah we used to go like to Germany youknow like 16 I told our parents thatwe're gonna go to a friend we're gonnapractice and then stay over there but wewent like 500 that's the way you know wetrain and we go to a different city toJohnny go to hm next day practice andthen come back yeah you know it wasn'tgood timing yeah like when we went firsttime bad luck year 19 2000 or 2001 wetrain it was like five six hours away wetrain and then you go to the Battle ofyear cipher everything and eventeverything and then you go the event isover after party is over and then youhave to wait for the Train the firsttrain that starts going back home yousee like a hundred of b-boys at thetrain station just inside for practicechilling some people sleeping in thecorner starting practicing andexchanging you know people like peoplesfrom France Germany Holland SwitzerlandItaly you know you connect you knowexchange and practice that's cool and itwasn't backed and it wasn't like reallya cypher and or calling out somebody butit was more of a circlesomebody practiced something you knowand you go there and exchange and hey dothis like this or ain't look try likethat look I do something similar youknow so was it like a pretty friendlyscene in Europe in terms of like becausebecause what I'm used to is like I'vecome from Sacramento in you know we justget all jump in a car and we'd go to theother city to do a jam or something andeverybody calls us out because it's likehey you're in our neighborhood and wewould just get battled so that's niceman it's like it was almost I mean itwas definitely less friendly now it's alot more friendly I can come you knowlike me moving to LA if I had done thatwhen I first started breaking I probablywould have got battled for like a solidyou know three or four months and peoplewere like okay I think this guy's coolyou know cuz dude the first time I thinkI went to a practice in Sacramento likeI was in high school and like we justshow up and they're like who are thesethere's me and my brother that we justshow up and they're like who are thesetwo kids and we like couldn't even do doanything really like my brother could doin vert and like I think I don't knowwhat I could do like a head slide andfreeze or something and that's like ouronly moves I guess we seriously we'rebreaking for maybe like six months andit's like the whole like room is apsycho fuck these comments we on thetitle you know and then I think you knowafter you battle a couple times thenthey realize okaytrying to cause harm or like because thething was that everyone was scared thatyou're gonna like bite their moves stealtheir yeah so it was like you knowthey're automatically sort of hostile toyou but imagine you guys would havestopped dancing because of that you knowyeah what's up it wouldn't ya know Imean yeah there was a lot of reasons tostop I mean for sure but it but it's itwas all the way it makes you strongeryou know to not give up and you stay onit you know motivate you maybe you knowI just yeah it was just I had to learnwhat the scene was like you know whatwhat was acceptable in the scene and gowith that you know like well I think Iremember I told this in another podcastbut I remember we brought this thisshitty camera because me and my brotherused to we used to make a lot of homevideos we used to make like skits wewere really into MADtv do you rememberMADtv it's like Saturday Night Live'sokay so we used to make all these stupidskits and stuff so we had our parentsgot us this like really crappy videocamera so we can make all these stupidskits just for fun and then we broughtit to go practice cuz we were just gonnafilm ourselves and stuff and then peopleare like what are you doing with thiscase you get beat up for like bringing acamera to practice and stuff because youknow because they automatically thinkyou're filming these guys to take theirmoves on amou say yeah we learned realquick don't bring the camera therewe brought the camera yeah very early inour training you know to see what theydo wrong because we were the youngesttoo and there were all the generationyou might know buzzer City attack ohthat's the older generation they battledrock four screw in the 90syeah so control so Cujo and there wasthe older generation and we look up tothem and but we didn't get like help youknow so oh we got this ourself you knowhe was looking me and I was looking himand then we see the older generation andwhat what's the difference between himand you you knowyeah that's how we learn you know thenbring the camera and see what we dowrong yeah that's how we stop we werethe youngest and our first battle wasalso about a six month in her making inthe first round we won against all theguys yeah keep going you know you'regood we're goodthat next round we battle younger guysthe nose and the smoker so yeah thenyeah and then it's like man we need topractice was a good wake-up call andthen we from then on we startedpracticing every day you know some dayseight hours yeah our parents didn'tbelieve that we we practice eight hoursthey thought we're doing somethingcriminal you know yeah exactlywe would do kind of the same thing canyou practice eight hours yeah but it'sjust like you get totally immersed intothat that world and you just wanna youhave a focus to get better I thinkeventually my parents realize we're notdoing anything bad yeah like and theysaw us getting better at it so it's likeoh they're obviously like practicingthis so yeah like all right whatever andwe we also stole my parents camera youknow you didn't have their camera andthey used it only for a special whenfamily came to visit us you know so wejust took it and then practice and thensometimes they would see the tape youknow we just buy a new tape put it inand then record yeah take the tape outso they see but we were like crazyaddicted to practice man yeah not evenjust battling just practice you know tolearn the move to yeah you know we werethere first and we left there the lastyou know people were coming and goingand we're still there yeah yeah yeah Imean I was the same way just alwayspracticing always practicing definitelythat's like my favorite part notbreaking for sure is just like gettinggetting down playing like your favoritemusic and just practicing coming up withsome new movies training some new stufftraining old stuff you know it's that'sthat I feel like that's where the realcreativity comes in when you're outbattling whenperforming and stuff it's just kind ofshowing off you do what you know yeahyou're just I think if you practicedwell and then it's the performance inthe battle is gonna go it's gonna gowell because you did you did thehomework but the the real work is reallywhen you're practicing and trying tofigure no you know how I prepares forbattlesI never prepared full set oh no like Inever practiced full sets in practiceyeah because then if I'm gonna just dothe same solar what I did in practiceit's gonna be boring it's not gonna havethat fire feeling whatever you know so Ialways put like practice only half setokay yeah and then practice I do onlyhave sets and then I maybe just add somepower moves just to so I have thecondition the cardio but in the battle Iwould mix my small set together you knowlike I put three sets in one yeah sothen you know so it's always new it'salways fresh and you can alwaysimprovise it freestyle it and yeah youknow depends of the music moment andeverything you know I used to make fullsets and it just got really boring to meto do that so what I started doinginstead is practicing those full setsand then when I go to battleI just don't think about them I justtotally try to just focus on you knowthe battle focus on the music focus onmy opponent and just let it happen and Iyou know I practice a lot of freestylingtoo so it's like I know that thematerial I have this you know the set ofmoves I put together I know that it'sgood and if I don't do it perfectly Iknow how to freestyle out of it and soon it gives me confidence to just go outthere and basically with a clear mindand just let it happen and I think thatthat's a way better way of breaking yesbefore I would go out and go okay I needa pre-plan everything and it distancesyou from everything from the moment fromthe music from the battle DJand it's just I don't think that's agood way to do it yeah I but I wasalways trying to figure out a good wayto mix you know because there's a lot ofcreativity in the combinations that youput together that you pre-plan I alwayswanted to be able to still showcase thatbut I don't want it to look sodisjointed yeah and so the yeah the waythat I figured out how to do that is tojust make some sets and be content withnot doing that and by practicing them somany times and then you just kind offorget itit just kind of happens or like piece ofmemory and yeah it's almost exactly it'slike I mean like with martial arts a lotof times you'll train like a combinationlike a kick punch combination you knowhit hit to the body hit to the head orwhatever and you train that so manytimes going you actually are fightingyou might not do the full combinationyou'll do like one two part of it youmight do it twice in a row you mightlink this combination to that one justbecause you see the opportunities andyou you have to improvise you improviseto make it happen and so I I took a lotfrom thatyeah very good yeah and so since I'vestarted doing that I feel like it'shelped me a lot but then for example Iwanted to say some bash beam for examplethat meets in German for example when westarted performing like performancesshows right it's a much easier than forus right so because then we prepare asolo for the show to the music you knowso you can be much more confidence in aperformance yeah yeah yeah because weare if you think about it in a battleyou are in so many uncomfortable yesinaudible but somehow you practice to becomfortable you know and in aperformance you're fully comfortable youknow yeah so you can shine much easier Ihope if you go like to a quarry yourworld people struggle and are nervousyou know yeah I never understood in thebeginning why are you guys nervous manwe've been practicing this I don't knowhow long yeahyou know I think it's just because thereyou're in front of a bunch of people youdon't know and you're like you knowyou're out in front of everybody andjust doing what you want to do andthere's a little bit of fear that theymight not like what you're doing but youjust gotta go man who caresyou really care yeah you have to do yourthing with you just got it you cannotchange it anymore you know what yeah init and really at the end of the day ifthat whole crowd says you suck like doyou really care yeah yeah it probablystings a little bit but then you go likemen I don't give a fuck about these yeahthat's the best thing when you dosomething you love you know yes I'mbetter because what other people thinkyou know what I mean yeah I I take thesame approach with like judges too youknow like when you're actually battlingand the judges vote against you or votefor you really like really I look at itas they're just they're they're a crowdmember and they're just saying you thattheir opinion of you was either you wantor you lost but I I really think that ifyou enjoy what you did then youshouldn't really worry too much aboutthat I mean you could obviously like tolisten to what they have to say becausethey might have some insight intosomething you maybe didn't know aboutyour own dancing um and that's alwaysgood to do but at the end of the day ifyou enjoy what you do I don't think youshould let anything holding me hold youback so like the way the way I alwaysput it was like if my mom was a judgeand she was like you suck I'd probablybe like okay maybe I gotta practice welllike if some random dude that I don'teven know it's like oh I thought youlost and I honestly thought I won I'd belike okay well whatever you don'tyeah it's mean was totally different inthe beginning you know I when I wasyoung I was getting mad when I left thejudges men you have no idea and but thatcomes with maturity you know if you loseand you take it easyyeah but yeah yeah I would get mad tooeventually you get to the point whereit's like win or lose it doesn't reallymatter that much like cuz again it'sjust three people three or five peopleyou know judging on this thing and theyjust said you want are you lostI mean I'm one battle is that I thoughtI lost and I was like I want I rememberI there's a couple of them where I waslike dude I walked to the judges I waslike dude you got this wrong and I gavemy prize money to the other guy cuz Iwas like dude I didn't win and I'm notjust cuz these dudes say that I wantthat's correct I'm not gonna keep themoney because I thought you you knowthis dude one or this crew one so I justgave it to them there I've done thatlike a couple times that I can think ofprobably two or three times it's crazyman but it's just cuz you know I don'tbreak to like make to get money oranything it's like I just want I justwant to do it and I like battling butthe competition part of it I don'treally care that much about it it's it'sfun to win but I don't like I don't likewinning when I don't think I'm that'scrazy man that you gave money you know Inever heard that beforeI mean I know people and I used to beone of those yes I needed to win moneyto pay rent and yeah you know what Imean so because I didn't do performancesie back in the days I battles was moreimportant to me than performances youknow K so and I needed to win thatbattle too yeah you know to pay somestuff up and then years later I judgedcompetition and in the final I judge andagainst one guy and he told man yeah youknow it came to me like what okay Iunderstand but man I need the money manI need to pay bills and there was I saidman I was to say like you you can neverrely on winning palace to pay yourperson I thinkyeah I I I mean there was times when Iwas I could be I could have been in thatsituation but I was like what I need todo is actually cook his job so I got ajob instead of like I mean there'd betimes where I I needed some quick moneyor something and so we would go and dosome street shows and stuff so that wasgood to kind of and that's always beenmy back-up plan in a way if like youknow the world blew up or something andI don't have any moneyI'd go do a street show I know that I'dsurvive for at least one day yeah cuz Icould do I could at least do somewindmills and someone might give me alike but ya know I was always like okayI need to just go get a job to actuallypay ya there's been times when I neededto win again but I I really hated theidea of like needing to win - yeah andand well and also - I was always scaredof the idea that you know I might bewinning and don't deserve the win and soI was it always made me feel like crapto even think of that situation in thismoment I with the time I learned tounderstand that you know it's in soccerfor example you take the ball and put itin the net that's a goal that's a pointyeah but in art it's hard to to give apoint here or here you know it's anopinion if those charges think you wantyou know it's it's their opinion evenyou did maybe just a baby freeze and theguy did the baby freeze - 90 baby freezeyou know and they liked your form bitbetter maybe you know yeah so it's it'shard to judge art you know it's veryhard so that's my yeah that thatactually is a good segue to a question Ihave because now breaking is becomingkind of more of a mainstream sporteventually getting into the Olympics yousee like big sponsored events andstuff and my fear is that we are doingthis but don't have a solid way ofjudging it because it is an art and youknow I think the way that we've alwaysjudged it makes sense for the smallcommunity that we have as b-boys butlike when it comes to the mainstreamstage where there's like lots of moneylots of sponsors involved if you thinkabout white yea H and you know comparingit to you know soccer for instance orlike basketball or any kind of sportthat's on a huge main main stage that Idon't think the judging system we haveright now is is gonna cut it becausewhat's gonna happen is a sponsor isgonna look at it and be like ok why didthis guy win over that guy and you go ohbecause these three judges said so okaywell what exactly made them say that youknow he's got you know 50 years in thegame and he thought that his backspinwas better than this guy's windmill andthen the sponsors gonna be like no thatdoesn't make any senseI'm out look for me it's how I comparedhow I compared breaking to mix martialarts right you remember mixed martialarts in the beginning yeah nineties itwas like a karate guy versus of wrestleryeah jujitsu guy was kickboxer you knowthere was like we had Shawn versus likeyeah and that is a Wild West that'sbreaking I would say most of the timethat's that's it right because there isall right now but it's been four yearsthat you have a guy that does more likefoundation style or a guy that does moreblow up style or a Power Move guy or mixguy you know but a complete mixedmartial artist is somebody that can dolike kickboxing wrestling jujitsu takeone toe karate whatever you know andthat should be with be born into menlike if you want to be an Olympicchampion you cannot justroll around and do Foundation and thefries and that's it you cannot beOlympic champion with only that you haveto have all the elements you know inbreaking and you have to put it on alevel you know so everybody understandsotherwise it's gonna be like you saidyou know people will not understand ityou know yeah I think with mixed martialarts it's a good example of this becauseyeah back in the day it was just thesestyles versus each other and eventuallyit evolved people were seeing thatcertain styles were just dominatingevery everything and so then it evolvedto where now the fighter isn't just thisone style he takes a little piece ofthis other style and it makes thembetter but and so like eventually yousaw everybody now doing that same thingall taking out different pieces of it sonow you see guys that I mean basicallyand I'm not like a an authority on thisor anything but like in general likeusually a good fighter would have somegood striking some good grappling andsome good crown stuff and so and thatwould make them somewhat effectiveagainst anybody and that's what that'sthe type that's a style that flew to youknow to the to the top of it mixedmartial arts in I mean Zee right let'stake Conor McGregor right he's astand-up guyyeah southpaw very effective yeah but hehad to learn takedown defense grapplingyou know he had to learn because youguys would do that yeah you know he'sgot to but now or maybe the last coupleyearsthere is people like young people theycome up with the full game they don'tstart they don't come from karate orfrom rest oh yeah they come and traineverything right away there is MMA gymsand like from 2:00 to 3:00 it'swrestling from 5:00 to 6:00 iskickboxing from 7:00 to 8:00 is MuayThai and then jujitsu from 9:00 to 10:00you know and they train all at the sametime so it's a complete fighter thatshould be with be going man yeah seelike a standard that would be a standardwith mixed martial artsI see how it makes sensedo it because it's the most effectiveway of fighting and like having thisbroad range of ability to combat againstall these different things it makessense for fighting but like withbreaking I think there's an argument tobe made that you're not you're notnecessarily you know the the the full Iguess how do you say maybe like fullpackage of b-boy one who has like everysingle Power Move every single likefootwork move every single whatever Ithink there's an argument to be madethat somebody who maybe doesn't do thatbut has a strong certain part of youknow one of those styles and can beeffective against them because there's alot of creativity and artistry thatcomes in with it and that's what you'rereally being that that's what you'rethat's that's the main way of I guesswinning a battle I guess is what I'msaying like cuz in fighting you getpunched in the face and you get knockedout or you get yes submitted you lose sothe best way to get to that is to beable to defend against it and go andattack that way right but in breakingthere's not like there's not a there'snot like a I guess a relation tofighting in that way because you don'tnecessarily need to do a specific powermove or whatever to win a battle orwhatever yeah I mean we don't have to do5-1 and our flare so yeah and 90s youknow but at least have some basic powermoves you know because that part ofbreaking you know if people say if youdon't do food work you know the b-boyhey if you don't do windmill backspinhead spin thank you another b-boy - yeahthey were here before cc's you know whatI mean but I know what you mean withlike artistry and just own style youknow and everythingMaina for example yeah you know so yeahyeah like Meno for instance he's does alot of like footwork and flowy type ofminutes not a lot of powernot a lot of top rods not a lot of Imean that's kind of really the onlystudy he doesn't do a lot of freezeseither and then compared to let me picksomebody someone who's missing one finalhuh let's bc one final did you see thatwho was in kazakhstan guy Ohk2 lost something khailayes yeah yeah that guy is really goodyou know you know I could see how it wasclose I think actually men will probablythought he lost too and that's why Icalled him out four more rounds um Imean I thought it was pretty close if Iwas a judge I probably would have votedKilla koyla me to it you know I'm notjudging because I personally justthought that he he had brought more tothe table and had unique style hesuppresses doing was a lot of uniquefreezes and stuff and he came out everywrong with some new stuff easily youknow yeah he's a pretty well-roundedb-boy but I would say he still airs onyou know more of like a thread type ofstyle and um like a freeze type of styleI'm trying to think of a b-boy thatwould be like very very well-rounded andthat's it like um he's better soon hehas power I think which flips yes theless food work yeah okay so let's gowith him yeah so him versus menace sosomeone who's well rounded versussomeone who's very specialized I couldsee how it could go either way with thatto those and that's also one round hedepends what round but you know let'slet's say they both throw their likedopest around though rightyou know Meno does some crazy likeloop-d-loopspin around thing one mean the flowingwaves yeah and it's a really dope roundin their little zoo duck comes outdoesn't flip does power moves us somefreezes does some footwork hits a solidroundI think there's an argument to be madethat either one of them would have wonyou know it's awesome depends on themusic but I think this was mixed martialarts he probably would have been like ohthe new well-rounded guy would win youknow but you know such distancesometimes in MMA you know and thenjudges take it yeah decided wrong but Iguess I guess if you in mixed martialarts if you had a guy who's very good atmultiple styles versus one guy who'smaybe just good at let's say kickboxingyeah you know I mean this is a hard topredict example or anything but I wouldsay you probably would put your money onthe guy who's more well-rounded justbecause he can like attack from multipleanglesright and he could get this got theother guy into a situation that that guycannot defend in whereas the other guyis banking on being able to like keephim in his in his world where he's thebest right whereas in breaking I feellike the guy who's very specialized hecan still like blow you up the samething that the gut the guy who is verywell-rounded can still blow you up andso the the moves are just as effectivein a way you know what I mean and thestrategy is a little bit differentbecause this guy doesn't need to keepyou in his pocket anymore he just needsto perform and kill it right and thisguy needs to do basically the same thingkeep it in his pocket and do what he'sgood at you know visually better yeahthat's been important but yeah what'sgonna make it look visually better isthe music you know the music I thinkthat's breaking what plays a big factorthat's the biggest compared to MMA ohyeah yeah really breaking is hard toobut compared to any I think it's theclosest thing sports wise to comparebreaking with MMA I would say a decisionyou cannot compare with soccer orfootball there's not really a goodthere's a sport I can think of thateveryone compares to the things that Ithink make the most senseis somewhere between mixed martial artsand skateboarding or like something likethat there's a sports 3 the reason I saylike sporting because in a lot of thathas to do with like they'll they'll makeup a trick knee and go like this is whatI'm gonna do it's like yeah it's it'sjust like making up your own breakingyeah you know but then skateboardingkind of it doesn't quite match upbecause then you see okayhe's he says oh I'm gonna do thistricking and they judge you on how wellyou hit that trick but in breakingyou're not telling any judge what you'regonna do you're gonna surprise them andprobably surprise them with the movethat they've never seen beforeyeah and so you have this surprisefactor too so it's really hard to youknow nowadays I I miss the exchangesometimes in battles you know yeah yeahback in the days when I talked to stormyou know they they would do like andthat's how I grew up you know mm-hmm Iconsider him the only master linebreaking it I never took his class orsomething but I took his locking classyeah but I I learned from him just bylistening you know okay andconversations with him yeah I justremember him you do like a six-step youcan go like no you try like Big Brotherand T you can learn so much and I canlisten for days to him you know yeahwhen he talks III don't talk man I justlisten and then I ask something you knowbut how I grew up with bounces exchangeyou know for example he tells me like hehas somebody do flare windmill babyfreeze and then he goes footwork andthen ends it nice you know I have to gothere and I have to do flare windowflare windmill turtle and then go in afreeze and then go up and you know whatI did better and then he has to come andbring it never that's how we yeah youknow a burden that's like exchange youknow ace yeahyeah on the podcast like a couple weeksago a couple of months ago actually umhe and he told me a story about when hehe doesn't call it battle but I wouldsay it probably was a battle between himand storm mm-hmm when storm was visitingand I guess they just went they you knowbattle like 30-something rounds orwhatever and it was like that they werejust exchanging like they would just oneup each other each time and it wasn'tlike they weren't you know you knowtalking smack to each other it was theywere respecting each other and he wouldbe like oh that was dope let me show youthat I can do now did it do to do andhe'd go oh that's cool too and then thisis how I would do that boom and so theyjust went back and forth for 30 roundsit may seem I mean that's that's crazybut it's also like back then it was likepractice you know yeah each other youexchange and you know but when youbattle inside for like ladies generationyeah and when the people start talkingwhen they're unsecured and then they seethat they're losing I have to talk tohim that so he messes up and you knowwhat I I hear that I made this rule withshit-talking is I'm not gonna sayanything unless they say it but if theydo talk I'm gonna say the wildest thingso that they feel terrible and sobecause like I don't know I've alwaysbeen good at like talking shit to peoplebecause I just I have a lot of friendsthat we would do that to in battles it'sit's you know I always try to be veryrespectful but as soon as somebody sayssomething I'm like okay I got I can makeand I usually don't make fun of theirbreaking I usually just make I don'tlike that part of breaking I think Ithink it's I think it's kind of it'sit's taking the focus off of yourdancing and putting it more on your likemind games which I don't you know I meanI guess this in a way that's kind of howgreat how battling is but I don't know Iand I don't like I don't think it's trueand I to to what it should beyeah but like I said if somebody's gonnatake a shot at me I'm like well I'm 32 Igot I got nothing better to do let mejust talk yeah of course maybe you haveto defend yourself yeah but man my bestmemory of call outs is I had a crewmember back in 2003 yeah thing aroundTroy Kehoe was his name and somebodycalled him out you know because he wastalking smack and he said yeah come onokay now you you know give me 10 minutes[Laughter]because he was flexible he didn't wantto get the injury you know he needed towarm up and then what yeah man give me10 mins how did he call you is he likeno no another guy called my friend outyou know my friend said give me tenminutes and then he he lost one time helost a battle and then he calls out boomyou know their friend you know it's funto get called up as long as like it'snot it's not fun when there's like beefsomeone's trying to like cause sometrouble I think that gets kind of crazybecause in but you usually just turnsinto a fight which I really don't likein breaking there's like there's reallyno room for violencethat's why you break right yeah so wedon't touch each other there's been alot of times where there's likedefinitely my old crew flexible Flav wewould get into some crazy battles cuzyou know some crew would be beefing withus and so then we'd get into a newget crazy crazy cut everything escalatedand people with ok crew it start pushingeach other and then it's like you knowas soon as that happens it's like ohthis is gonna turn into a ok crew bellsyes we got many colors in crew bad okand we are like my crew and me we arelike produce most of them don't danceregularly ok but we still like brothersyou know yeah but back then we crewbelts we belt like almost a lot of crewsalmost many crews here yeah we go tofriends would bail like whoever is onthe opposite side you know we go to yesAmerica or Germany whatever whoever isacross us and they do something that wedo better we go inside and show way yeahyeah and then it starts so so actuallythis is something that probably gotdeleted from because we didn't recordbut you were talking about we first cameto America in 2007 for freestyle sessionin 10 with my whole crew yeah and westayed the machete hostel on HollywoodBoulevardeverybody talks about yeah it's funnycuz like outside of Hollywood people areprobably like oh Hollywood's is greatdude it's like freaking bums pooping onthe streets and stuff it's all bad crazyHollywood yeah but yeah there's a lot ofshit was crazy em and to come herefreestyle session we grew up with thosetapes yeah yeah and so then once youwere here it was probably a big likeculture shock huh yeah that was thefirst time you came to America secondtime I came first time was 2003 in SanDiego okay it was like there is like aheap of community company called cultureshock yeah you know if you know and thatwas in the soup Switzerland cultureshock oh and we came to San Diego toperform at the culture of showcase ohthat's cool okay then back then I bailedactually I bailed rainin yeah raininganda long time yeah he's in Vegas Vegas andall Cutshaw peoples of San Diego and myfriend that was a b-boy he didn't findthe way to the circle you know so I wasthere aloneand I bet like three four B voice oh youknow but I did like my thing you know Idid like already elbow one and a halfand I need some car plates you knowbecause men in Europe I never starteddancing like on the street you know wehad a nice youth center we had nice woodfloor yeah you know so I came to shitcarpet oh man no it's been no 90s yeahthat was the first time it was a goodexperience and then second time my wecame with my crew 2007 please let's Ishouldn't ten when did you decide tolive herewe came in 2010-11 new year when it wasvery cold in Switzerland we came to LAit was nice weather so my brother me wecame here to to practice and see how isthe industry because we take alsohip-hop classes also hip-hop and we sawhow how it is they industry you know andwe see b-boys here and they poke chopmovies and commercials and stuff likeman we can do some good stuff here youknow we decided to move here okay I wantto move here since a long time but 2014was the time to move yeah make yourbrother 2015 I don't know if I felt himit was like a seven to smoke in that fitExpo in convention center yeah that'sright he did surprising he doesn'treally battle that often so yeah we washaving fun man I like to start becauseIII I could see like yeah yeah he'shaving fun you know it's not like tryingto kill that other guy in a bell youknowyeahthat's good like when there is a bigdifference if you have a funny style butthere is I I always watch the skills youknow if you have a funny character or aserious character you watch how itmatches with the level of the skills youknow yeah and I said she has a level ofskills and he is having fun you know hedoesn't take it too serious you know hedoesn't need to take it too serious towin around you know so that's why I likeit and I remember him like his style islike kind of goofy and then him as aperson he's like more like serious and Ithink that my style as a breaker is moreserious and my personality is probablymore goofy than him swiss-styleI always ask people can you tell that meand him our brothers buy our styleno it's yeah I think if you look closeenough you can tell because we do a lotof the same moves it's just he doesn'twe do them differently from and but weyou know we learned from the same peoplewe you know practice like every daytogetherso it's weird how our Styles divergedlike that but I don't know yes moreflexible right he's he's more flexiblethan me and I think I'm more like flowythan him yeah and so and then I probablydo more power moves than him he doesmore freezes than me but that's maybethe main differences I mean my brothermy brother does everything more than me[Laughter]yeah so I guess in terms of like breakbreaking for you now are you still intocompeting or you just I haven't battledin many years okay yeah I belt I thinkmaybe once or twice since I moved toAmerica oh reallyyeah because I didn't move for battlingyeah yeah you know for the industry andeven my like last serious bad that weyou know with my crew and everything wasleft year 2011 yeah because I had like acrazy surgery I tore my biceps andtriceps ligament oh yeah I miss my armsyou know and that was a thing how do youdo a thousand 90s on that arm a lot ofphysical therapy and yeah but in it wasactually in June it's gonna be ten yearsago that I thought I'm gonna stopdancing yeah I'm gonna work a regularjob and that's it for me I lived a goodlife and I enjoyed my hobby for manyyears and that's it that's why I enjoynow what I don't have to practice setsor you know that I don't prepare forsocial I just have fun you know yeah youknow I don't mind doing competitionsonce in a while because it keeps itkeeps me like I don't know I guess itkeeps your both sides of the brainworking yeah yeah but for the most partI just break to like you know relievestress and it's like a meditation for meyou know cuz training yeah it make itmake it forces me to stretch my mycreative brain you know so like when Igo to a practice a lot of times I'm justI try to go into my own world and justmake up whatever I can and it's hardit's hard to think about all the likeyou know whatever stuff is going on inyour life when you're so focused on justyeah cuz you can't really dance well ifthere's something else on your mind youknow and a lot of times you feel like Idance better when there is somethingthat was on my mind because it's like itmay it makes me try harder to like focuson the music and everything you try toget that out of yeah excited you bygetting this out of you focus here yeahand then verse writer yeah well in a lotof times it's because you go like Igotta focus on this and if I don't I'mgonna think of something crappy oh Idon't wanna think about that let me justdo thisit's like kind of a nicely practice yesbefore I started talking to you and youalways practice for yourself and do yaknow yeah I think in I yeah and a lot oftimes I just focus on that and then youknow if someone wants to talk to me orwhatever I'll talk about like most ofthe time I don't really go too far outof my way to like talk to people I meancuz I used to just practice alone Iwasn't living in Sacramento and inOakland I would just go to the gym andpractice by myself like maybe once ortwice a week I'd go practice with someother people but most of the time I'djust be by myself where do you get themotivation from to practice by yourselfI think it's just I like creating stuffokay and so you can practice like hardstuff just to create I mean I'llpractice hard stuff sometimes but yeahit'll be it'll be a lot of timesit lets me I don't have any otherdistractions anymore so it's like I cango okay I really want to get this moveso I can practice you know what I needto do and then I can like adjust my handposition or whatever when I'm with abunch of people there's always like it'smore playful to me where there's like alittle bit of I need to perform I needto you know react to what they're doingtoo so it's it's always it's more of anexchange kind of environment going on bymyself it's just I'm only doing what I'mdoingyou focus on yourself yeah it's I have Ihave a lot of fun doing thatyeah it's probably my favorite part ofbreaking actually my favorite part ispracticing with my crewmen uh-huh yeahbecause like everybody like pushes eachother you know yeah and we don't have toworry about practicing anything soanybody else could practice that orthat's how it goes you know we push eachother you know oh um okay well dudewe've been going for like 56 minutes ohshoot probably wrap this show up there'sa lot I can still talk to youI don't want to go too long probablyyeah well is there anything else youwant to say before we close the showwhere can people find you here oh yeahit's the old one it works pretty wellthough and I got that tooOh yep go for a - it's not there yeah noI I bought this because I told myself Ineed to start filming myself breakingmore yeah because I seriously had likeno footage of myself because I neverreally filmed myself cuz ya know it'sjust I don't it's just not something Inormally do so I bought that to filmmyself in itmaybe you filmed for like a couple weeksand then I just got sick of it and so Idon't I don't really use it and thenwhen I started this show like oh I gotan extra camera now so I have the DJIpocket Pro no pocket and the small DJIfits with the camera and everything okayand I used it a couple times yeahokay it does also have white you andeverything okay but I know minutes Irecord with my phone most of the thingsmy phone doesn't have any space in itbecause I have a ton of music in thereso it's like but you can put an extra SDcard no I have extra I got I'm likereally into music oh you to beat I makeyeah I make music and then I just listento lots of music I guns I love you knowman I seriously can talk that's anotherman I mean for now yeah I like jasmineyou do yeah yeahsince everybody calls me ill jazz inAmerica I know but for me I don't knowman I think I like martial arts I alwaysliked like Jackie Chan Bruce Lee Johnyang and then music wise I always likedStevie Wonder Tupacoh yeah yeah that was like my LL Cool Jyeah you know and thenhe was dope sports-wise and human isMuhammad Ali's Muhammad Ali okay thoseare your influences this is mycombination of what I yeah and butbefore that GodI've always loved Jackie Chan cuz I gotjust mr. past he doesn't give off man Ithink he's gonna be appreciated morewhen he dies oh yeah dude he's alreadyappreciated yeah God that guy but manhis legacy I feel like man needs he samewith Bruce Lee yeah yeah you know uh youknow because Bruce Lee's kind of youknow I think we made mixed martial artsbecause the idea of it kind of it wasalready around but it wasn't mainstreamby any means but he just kind of that'sthat was what he was all about was thisis or the I guess it wasn't called mixedmartial arts at that time but it wasjust like the idea of pulling pieces ofevery martial art that makes you betterthat was he kind of brought it to themainstream yeah but I think Jean VanDamme is the best fine Johnson what'sthat freakin movie kickboxers was itbreaking oh yeah breaking he was likeeach he's like that's his first stepinto Hollywood it was like I mean thatmovie sucks but yeah I never owned it Ithere was a bunch of b-boys I knew backin the day that would say you'd ask himwhat their favorite movie was andthey're like breaking and I was likebreaking and beats me they would saybreak in do you like themlike it's like a parody of hip-hop likeit's so freakin goofy I mean I don'tknow I just wanted to make some moneyman I don't see some producers they sawsome kids seeing something where theycan make money okay throw some moneymoney back yeah it's it I mean all I cansee is I don't wanna hate on it but it'sso over-the-top goofy they're like Ican't get me how many movies are thereof this breaking one day there's onlytwo or to break into electric Boogaloo Ithink that's it there might be a thirdone I don't know I honestly watch themonce and I was like what am I doing withmy life I need I need to go practicewhat am i watching this crap and I grewup with Battle of teir VHS tapesyeah yeah right that that was the stuffI'd rather watch it's not all the year Iwatched one of the old freecell saysyeah yeah when you could only get theVHS tapes it wasn't any YouTube so therewas like a man fuck VHS man I still havea lot of VHS tapes yeah my god all rightso I switch on it okay I got I've got abunch here I think um yeah like Lords ofthe floor I have and they're the oldstyle elements video there used to belike absolutely made b-boys sessionGermany it was kind of like PC one manoh yeah yeah there was like b-boys allover the world one was swamp battlesyeah that was cool but battle of tier 96man it's my first yes yes it's very goodit's still good yeah yeah and I missquad versus Tyson effect I was a swisscrew it's the only time is Swiss crewone rest in peace - nice kid he wasright here yeah he did like that's I dosometimes the head spin with ball andpeace yeah yeah and me and my brothermet him and we were very youngyeah and his crew came to our city totrain with buzzcity attack and he wasthe only guy approachingus you know yeah and he was pushing usand yeah you know like teachers likedhow to do better head spin and you knowmoves just like the only guy talking tous even we were just kids you know yeahand then we from Tenali wow man you arethis guy and you talked to us and wasthere another seamless crew that wasreally popular back then that went tobattle of the year they didn't win but Ithink they got third place or somethingI don't remember yeah scrambling feetscrambling feet yeah yeah yeah that'shis crew yeah that's nice kid with toughkid he joined them too from badLafayette they bailed South Africa Ithink so I should actually go to thefinal and battle flying steps yeah thatwould have been a crazy battle and whenhe came to freestyle sessions Easterbreak yeah instant breaks man is nowhe's like pushing the community in Baselyou know in our city and they put usyoung kids and like a community centerwith dance you know can yeah it's it'sthere's good things you know okay wellyeah peace well before we do that isthere what's your like Instagram orwhere can people like talk my so Grammyselect my name yes I change a Instagramand anywhere else you want to give anyshoutouts shout-out to my crewRoughnecks and shout out all my friendsthat know me andall right thank you guys Robinson sorrythis show sucks and I don't know how topress the record but it's red it'srecording I know at least I got thatright the second timeall right let's everybody eight[Music][Music]you[Music] 

Rob Lim, better known as Dirty Sanchez, discusses his love for photography, Hip Hop, and dance. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoise Listen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. 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use thissecret flavor enhancer in all yourfuture potato salad recipes and enjoyyour salty meal Karen just be carefulnot to be too salty and now onto theshow[Music]in this episode I talk on a video callwith one of my closest homies he is anup rocker and a photographer and low-keyone of the funniest people I know thesong welcome to the jungle by Guns andRoses always reminds me of this guy'scrazy shenanigans please enjoy theepisode with my good buddydirty sanchez do you know what you areyou're in a jungle baby you're gonna die[Music]what's up everybody welcome to the showtoday I've got the dirtiest guest ofthem all he's a good friend of mineprobably one of my best friends and I'mproud to have him on this show we'regonna be talking about some interestingstuff so I hope you guys are ready forthe dirty sanchez himself Robert Limwhat's up man how you doing I'm doingwellI noticed those kovat beards just a so Ihad to catch up yeah we got them kovatbeards going on dude yo so what's up man- I wanted to bring you on today becauselike photography I mean you've been aphotographer for a long time you've beena part of the dance scene as aphotographer as well as a dancer youknow almost as long as I've known youand so you've seen a lot of stuff in thescenedefinitely have like captured a lot ofreally amazing moments as a photographerso I wanted to like bring you onto theshow to talk about you know a little bitabout your photography history with itbecause I feel like photography is isnot necessarily an element of hip-hopper se but it's an element that ispreserving the other elements you knowwhat I'm saying and so I feel like it'sa very important and underlooked thingin the scene that you know we all kindof experience but we don't give creditto it or credence to it and so that'sthat's kind of why I wanted to bring youon hereand so with that being said I want toknow what really got you intophotography I think it's my older sistershe was into photography and I learnedthe film nothing as far as developingthe film setting up a camera manuallyfor the shutter the habit sure and itfeels like you're a sharpshooter whenit's sniper even went back to just kindof like heroes or people that inspire meMartha Cooper she was like the firstphotographer to take pictures of b-boysand emcees and just hip-hop partyI think her first picture she has isthat like I'm some b-boys got arrestedand she couldn't take the picture ofdumb legally hmm but it was able to takea picture not looking at them andpressing it down so she was able tocircumvent it in a way so it's like Iknow it was like the most like hip hopgangster thing to do about like beinginside a police station doing somethingthat you're not supposed to do butrecognizing it's an important momentyeah yeah that's interesting it's thatway is that when they they're like copscame in like shut down what was itpeople summit like 90-something 96-97during like the 70s and 80s oh is itokay no wow saw books are going to beblack and white you're going to see ayoung kid and like the short runningshorts on you know the side like the b2shorts super beat Street even a littlebit before that the racism in the copbut you can just see like these kidsthey're dancing on the street and up tono goodoh yeah and they're all like 10 yearsold and yeah yeah boy beat boy age yeahthe real b-boy age yeah now that yeahnow the 10 year olds are taken overagain so it's a circle of lifeyeah just raise them upyeah yeah so that's tight um yeah I meanthat that's a very powerful moment and Ithink in hip-hop history and and youknow if it weren't for someone to likethink of you know grabbing a camerataking a picture and preserving thatmoment I don't think we'd even be ableto remember that moment and I mean Icould think of a lot of other moments inhip-hop history that you know we'reimportant you know and so I guess youknow in that in that moment ofrealization like hey I better pull mycamera out and take this picture thislooks like a great moment to capturewhat what goes on in your mind to likeyou know be able to define that momentand and how do you really frame that youknow I think it goes like as easy aswhen you see family portraits honestlyeveryone takes family portraits and whenyou see the pictures there's sometimesyou could definitely see the love andthe relationship between everyonesometimes people are just kind ofputting up with it what I noticenaturally even from like like MarthaCooper's photos and just other b-boyphotos everyone who's not evenphotogenic and photogenic doesn't meanlike beauty but there's a level ofvanity where people are like you knowwhat this is a woman that lasts foreverI always look cool guess what we'retaking a cold picture right now eventhough some people they tried the hardas you could see but everyone's ready togo as if like this is gonna be the lastpicture they ever see before I getlocked up or our dead yeah so and likeeveryone inherently does that in thescene I notice I'm always trying to makesure now to take pictures of people like1/3 and Cruz or even if they're reallygood friends yeah or something you'renot even good friends or it as apractice spot they mainly just cometogether like we are so cool you bettertake their picture right now it you knowit's kind of baked in the culture to dothat I mean I feel like just the idea offreezes in breaking is like hit a coolpose look cool as if someone was gonnatake a picture of you I mean I feel likethat's theyou know overarching like idea behindfreezing and so it's kind of baked intowhat we do already so I can see how thatwould be so that that's tightdid you start photography before youdanced or was it did it come after Imean like I remember when I met you dingthat was like early 2000s but I knew youwere already dancing you were up rockinand stuff but I'm pretty sure you werealready taking pictures - so which KCarson and did those bleed into eachother at all I mean like people as likea you know as a artistic kind of thingyeah I like in high school I starteddoing photography that was like beforewe met over in junior college yeah yeahyeah it's really tough because it wasconsidered sports photography for me andit's how I had to approach it sosometimes I would just go through somany rolls of film and also findingpeople that were also decent and knewwhat they're talking about if while Iwas asking them to do certain moves orfreezes or experimenting what lookedcool so that was kind of a rough blendbut then when I starting against as adance understood how certain bodymechanics works like what visually looksgood versus what looks good in oneinstance because yeah plenty of pictureswhere people have crashed or that movewas just incredibly bad on video butthat the moment was the way the personlooked the adrenaline rushing throughall it just looked amazingmaybe the crowd was like oh this isgonna be greatyou didn't capture disappointment yourscroll through your photos in one ofthose instances and you're like dudethis crowd is so hyped and then you likeyou know you took action shots sothere's like 20 photos and then like atthe instant that they realize that hecrashed you see you know theirexpression go from happy and excited tolike oh damnwhy am i cheering that must have hurt Ican say when I was also managing thedance crew yeah when someone was they'regonna flip and I did too a picture a preand then like a post when they floppedbut enjoyable performance even though wewere not like the most like sought-afterentertainment that yeah a crowd you canimagine this and people but let's justsay these people have gone well beyondand then 20 of music videos I'm veryproud yeah that's tight so like I guessyou're going back to what you're sayingwith the like you know seeing coolfreezes catching like a certain momentlike what is it that you look for and interms of like lighting and the way thatthey're facing you or like I mean cuzwhen I look at your photos I see thatthere's like I don't know it seems likeyou just caught this really weirdposition that people end up in and Iknow that's part of the dance too butit's like I feel like if I took thatpicture it look like shit and you knowmaybe it comes with a good camera toowhich I don't have but you know likewhat what is that that magic moment thatyou're looking for or is there even amagic moment that you're really lookingfor you know do you just see it in theireyes when they're dancing like oh dudeI'm about to hit this move and you'relistening to the song and it's like dudehe's gonna hit this beat I can tell youknow what I mean is that is that doesthat go through your mind so when I wasstarting a lot of it was guesswork youunderstand this kind of the technicalaspect about understanding lightingmm-hmm I noticed that was always thehugest issues because events were notconducive to their own or activity yescrazy dark so sometimes I experimentedwith flash before but the one thing isis that like that's also going to botherthe dancer yeah so I've been cognizantof like if I do flash moment where liketheir move will enter into like it's notgoing to disrupt what they're gonna bedoing and oh another thing - it took usfears about knowing certain dancers andwhat they're getting into as far as likeoh they have so much momentum going herethey're not gonna stop there this willburn down man it will make them thiswill distract them so a lot of alsogoing with the camera equipment a lot ofthat also had to go with bettertechnology as well as people startseeing that I was offered more goodwilland kind of meh preserving a legacy butdocumenting the times they were morereceptive to taking pictures and thatallowed me to pose them and prop them incertain locations yeah I see what you'resaying so okay yeah so I could see howthat the the lighting would be a realbig issue in a jam I mean there's onlyso much you can do really with a camerato make that to make that good but yeahI know like you as a dancer I bet thathelps a lot to like be able to see Iguess predict like what's about tohappen I mean and you're also veryknowledgeable about like that thatparticular dancer usually you've seenthem before you know what they'recapable of so you can kind of predictwhat's going on so I imagine that helpsa lotwith it you know and I think that is youknow what makes some of your photos sogood is that you can like predict thatin a way and be able to capture thesemoments so I'm curious what is the whatis your favorite moment you've capturedon camerathe two that are like two categories Ilike to separate or like ones where Ican oppose the individual mm-hmm that'swhere like we have a setting and I'mcounting one two three we're kind ofdocumenting and another one it's justlike when is that a jam and it just itwas so hype it was so dope and thenlike everyone goes crazy over it youknow and people always hit me up I couldsay like at least like Jan an eventdefinitely a freestyle session I'mtrying to think of like what a more likethere's so many for face off session butone that I really like that like I'vejust seen that on certain flyers but itdoesn't matter to me there's one whereit's Tata he entered with Maschine andMorris and then like like an air chairbut he looked it up and also he pointedout his opponent and then like it wasable to hold it but he also had to lookand the Bears that's like I'm callingyou out yeah yeah and then and then likethe importance whether when thepromoters say this is why you come tojams yeah you feel literally likethere's a point where that's a coupleseconds where you're completely deaf andeveryone else is deaf cuts are screamingwith excitementyeah somehow they will always energy andI'm trying to take the picture where I'mtrying not to get way too excited as afan yeah yeah that was like one of thosemoments where I'm just like that wasgreat I can say also just from my godcontemporaries or people that are like Isee as crazy better to me there's alsoanother one with Todd's huh and Zach youwhere they did it was a crew battle 20thfreestyle and he did the swing routineand I want to say Ken Quan caught thatand like when I look at that picture Ifelt the same way tooso it's amazing yeah that was just likeI'm wow it's like a mom it's like amoment where like the crowd got punchedin the face like with the hype nacellenot a circuit ride weather setup are oneof our friends they we went to had anevent called art Street where there wasawarehouse that within three months timewas gonna get up bulldoze over oh yeahcome on oh I think I remember that placeyeahso the warehouse allowed artists to setup little art spaces and awesome givelinks to these pictures to that way youkind of know what I'm talking aboutbut there's a picture his name was Quanand he did this freeze and there was acheckerboard floor lighting in thebackground and even if I took themwithout it like it looked like thisabstract mural and it was incredibleyeah if I had remember that photo yeahand then yeah and there was like thispurple lighting and it was just likelike I look at it I'm like did I takethis picture did I do too much I wasjust like I I I personally love it somepeople like Gemma be like there's a lotof stuff going on this way again it'slike one of my personal please wait Imean it's that's the artists uniongrowing like dude this is something thatI'm really proud of her like you knowthat I really I think I really nailed itwith it which you know and everybody hastheir own opinions about art so you knowbut I would say if you like it thenthat's what matters really yeah but yeahI think I'm pretty sure I remember thatphoto I might have even been thereduring that thing but anyways I'd sayI'm just real quick like also anotherperson who's in the scene always comeright little Xiao I need the muster upenough money to because I there's oneprint that I definitely want to get soit's wing zero and then II say and Iforgot who else better so not of theircrew but I think it was in Times Squareand then like wings are oh it's likebending on his toes and then the othertwo or just check suppose in a way itjust looked incredibleso I'm like like I need to make sure Ihave enough money I'm like I definitelywanna get a Prince of themit's like artist or together artist butyeah that was a really dope photo thatI'm like wow do you sell your printsI've tried to in the past and somepeople like if they have anniversaryjams are people that like I feel like aconnection to I say oh let me give thisto you it's like I know I I have one ofa Vince your brother where he's in aheadstand and then the tide came in andthe water washes off you took the photothat's a hell funny photo yeah it's funyeah he has like a main YouTube accountat thereI know he's got it on something but yeahthat's funny yeah I'm curious actuallyabout you know the photography worldbecause it's you know in terms of likeselling stuffI feel like photographers do a bigservice to the scene and I don't knowhow much the scene like actually likepays photographers or whatever I know Ididn't see in photographers get theirphotos like taking all of it you knowthey're they're being like put on flyersthey're putting all over Instagram andother social media and stuff I guess howdo you feel about it when like you seesomeone like basically take your photoand just hit crop out your you know yourum your watermark and and use it astheir own like that I feel like that'skind of a dirty dirty dirty trick but Isee a lot of people do it I'm sorrylike resentful from it I'm especiallybecause I was just trying to get betterand then just like oh let me getcredited and sometimes you know youdon't get credit especially for like youbelieve like they should be doing thesame thing or they feel like well yougot a picture of me so that's goodenough yeah but I I look at how I waskind of like how DJ's are because likethere's a certain point where likethey're mixtapes were getting played andthey they did all the work for theproduction yeah not like not like theysampled this and that and you create aloop and that was the end of that ormaybe they did or they did crazy drumsamples and another DJ's playing itbecause they don't want their videostaken down formusic copyright strikes but I noticedwith thumb and I like even thoughthey're like let's just say like othermusical performers they accept it oflike what the culture and technology ismm-hmmthey're draws more like if you want moveto come live to your event hire me yeahlet everyone photos they will leaveenough room for them if they want tocrop out we don't care well put but youguys hire us like hold some accountablefor thatyeah and sometime you to sometimes it'sjust a good opportunity I remember let'ssay for example are your crew from Japanthey came to the yeah come on you cameto like three different cities and knowfour or five I don't I didn't Californiaand they went to yeah that freestylesession that was like last year orsomething right yeah yeah and also theywhat's at the jam when you guys enter inPomona and also did Emma with the bestspot the next day and they also came upto Sacramento for one of our eventsmm-hmm for me not to take a chance toget to know him offered to do like somephotos and everything because this is achance for like a crew who I don't knowwhat their circumstances are but they'relike we're about this life yeahwe're not getting paid to do this but wecame to represent this is just adifferent City this is a differentcountry he came to do anything so I alsohave to look at it like that becauseit's very I don't know what's the wordit's I mean yeah it's you're looking atit as like these guys are about thatlife and as a photographer it's worth itto you to capture that you know and torepresent that too because that's likewhoa everyone's all about you know yeahyeah my return it's like if I when I getthe chance I'm like you guys took thetime and saved up enough money to traveland sometimes when I look at our cityand I'm not to downplay the quality ofour jams but sometimes I'm just likeI've seen you guys 110dollars like three months ago and theprice here is like two hundred dollarsbut you know you drove two hours fromthe Bay Area to just I'm about this lifeso they goes to like someone'sconviction and like also the vanity andthe ego like what's this really aboutyeah so sometimes I'm like yeah we getto love I do see if I can get some typeof compensation but then I also want tobe able to say they're all for the last15 years aim it's like I've been a partof these events that people considerit's like a moment in their life and I'mthere for ya know I would think beingthere for that moment is like a realimportant thing as a photographer beingbecause again yeah you guys are likecapturing that and preserving it I meanI guess put it like thisbefore there was like a crap ton ofphotographers in the scene you knowthere was still jams going on but whocan remember like everything thathappened in those jams especially theones that weren't videotaped it's hardto remember any of that stuff because itwasn't ever you know captured but then Iknow when I see photos from like jamsthat I did you know 10 15 even maybeeven 20 years ago it's like you see thatpicture and you're like oh dang Iremember that you know what I meanyou know I remember that bad all Iremember like being in that situation Iremember training for that or whatever Iremember seeing that dude train for itor whatever you know so it kind ofreally takes you back and it sucks thatthere's not so much stuff that'savailable from you know back in the daybut now I feel like there's so much andand so it's it's gonna be like a verygood preservation of you know theculture moving forward maybe too good ofone you know I guess we don't need toremember all them crashes yeah yeah yeahjust the whole social media aspect youwould think there's a saturation ofpeople with videos and also withtwo people have to adapt it used to bein the culture when I remember I meanSacramento when there was a Rocksteadychapter it was called flora SKLZ um thatyeah it was like if you took dirt likeUV bit someone's move you got sucked inthe face the jam just stopped and likeyou got beat up like whoever crew wasstarting to beat you upthen matter what happened I've been inthat where like no you you're supposedto be dancing to get out of gang warfarebut no you just join a dance gang yeahyeah it was a lot more confrontational Iguess back in the day definitely moreyeah it was chaos I mean really like youhad people coming in that just yeahdidn't care I mean it well and alsothere wasn't money in it and therewasn't like anything so it was just Ifeel like people did it more for the thelove of it and stuff so it was like whensomeone was basically stomping on youand saying hey I'm gonna bite your moveor whatever you take it real personallylike nowadays I feel like that kind ofgets brushed off a little bit becausethey there's I don't know this kind oflike social media veil to it or whateveryou know there's some kind of like youknow social veil over everything and Idon't know I mean not to say that peoplearen't as passionate about it now asthey were before but I feel like youknow they'll there's more incentive tobe like okay I don't I don't need afight over this because there's I gotall these other things that are comingalong with it but back in the day itwasn't like that it's like you know allyou really had was that your moves andyour crew and stuff and so if peoplewere over there like stomping on it andyou know giving it a bad name and stuffor just you know dissing it it's youtake that real personally so I could seewhy there was way more fights back inthe day and I'm glad that that's overbut it I feel like back then there was alittle more I don't know excitement tocompetitions just because of stuff likethat not to say that fighting is a goodthing but you know the drama the dramamakes it interesting for sure you knowI'll say this we're just two recentexamples from at least like myperspective we went to Mass a monkey'sday and I was front row and like thefinals and then like I believe they justfinished with like top eight thesis isjust walking around and then you see aTN because you're yelling at each otherand like I don't know where thesis isalso just pissed off like crazyand he's called and then like a couplerounds later like all of battleborn camein and supposedly they just not yet Iremember that yeah yeah yeah I wasn't atthe gym but ya know it was like yeah thetwo crews had like beef or somethingfrom back in the day or whateverwhatever whatever happened but yeah thecrew they basically snuck in the gymjust to battle them yeah I mean it's nogood that they're sneaking in and stuffand like doing that but but know thatthat's actually a great moment that wascaptured on film because it's like ifyou got beef with another crew like Ifeel like that's how you handle it youcome and just say hey we're gonna battlewe're not gonna go online and talk crapwe're not gonna you know fight we're notgonna do this we're not gonna do thatwe're just gonna come in and battle youand guess what it's at your own jam soyou better come correct because we'vebeen you know training for this we'regonna come for you you know so I feel Ifeel like that was that that's dopethat's dope Oh hopefully there wasn'tany other drama beyond that I meanhopefully that's where it got squashedor whatever you know I feel hate stillgoing day eight in both the rides you'relike what are you doing herelike you like you snuck in where's my$10 if you're gonna bat him he got a payhim anyway yeah and one where like alsojust coming back to that Pomona JamJesse you've been seeing a Williams hisname is his real name's William smilesmm-hmm he's from Australia he entered inwith Lancer yeah yeah yeah Austria yeahI forget his name yet Australian dude noyeah I know your name is William smilesbut just like it was good talking himbut he also have fierceness in his eyesbut I've never seen the same thing Iknow nuts stirring the pot or anythingbut it was the same thing when you sawPak Pak and also Lucy sky and then I'mlike what I saw the moves I'm like yeahyou definitely just at first you havethat so important to you the way you hitit the way you get into it but I meanI'm not part of that I was just like I'mlike oh I see but also for someone tojust like also protect you like well I'mdefinitely gonna fly up here and I hopeto see those guys just yeah just to justshow up just to confront in in battleyeah that's that's some b-boy shit forsureI mean yeah I've done that in the pastlike I've gone to gyms just a battle acrew with I didn't enter the gymI didn't do anything else except justbattle them you know usually I stuckaround and like watch the rest of thejam or whatever or you know whatever butit was I came I came through to justbattle people though so after thosebattles had a bed like I still hate youokay I know but trust me you you knowwhat'sMerson you know what's funny is likeactually I was hanging out with one ofthe guys that I used to do I'd like goto the gym just to battle him and hiscrew and you know this was back likefrickin ten years at least and then Iwas like training with him probably likea year ago or maybe two years ago orwhatever and like we're all nice to eachother and stuff and I was like dude Iknow me and you used to battle all thefreaking time and I don't even rememberwhy like that's what's funny about itbut I knew that I hated your guts at onepoint and I knew you were good and Iknew you knew I was good and we wouldbattle all the damn time but like to behonest I don't remember what it was thatset it off and you know and now we'refriends and stuff and you know we'lltrain and we give each other tips andshit so I don't know I honestly I thinkit was just like - hungry - hungryb-boys that just you know they want tomake their mark and shit so I feel likethat's probably what it was that causedsome weird beef you know probably likeyou know one of us lost to each other ata jam or whatever and then we took itsuper personally and just created avendetta or whatever you know I don'tknow any montage you listen just on arocky soundtrack oh gosh yeah I'm likerunning up the steps like you're likewell just engage damnoh ma I got a sweaty hoodie on with nosleeves on yeah you're running in likethese like horrible converse but I'mlike gosh I was like watching an oldschool basketball game like fuckingpeople playing like adidas superstarsand now we dancing themyeah yeah okay so um that's yourbackground as a photographer so I'mcurious like what got you into hip-hopoh so uh all right if you could kind ofsee this canvas here it's pretty bigit's a bye to my friend they're also ina 3d crew and I kind of grew up withthem in middle school and high schoolbut kind of like how like a lot of dancecrews I'll just a dude that hangingaround I thought it was cool so I nevergot into it as like deep as everyoneelse did but that's where I was justlike I was like it was a certain pointin the nineties where you you could heargood radio hip-hop music and then therewas a layer of underground does reallyrain laughing and then like you'relistening to rap where people who aretalking about like depression or likehow do you want to like viciously murdersomeone but to say so creatively or likehow much they hate this person and itwas just like oh my glue what are yousaying you got a reminded bag it wasjust like like this era of just likelike you have to really really dig orknow about it was like whispers it checkthis out dude it's the era of whenyou're walking down the street in likethe city and the dude walks up with likea Walkman and he's like hey yo you wantto listen to this hey you got to listento this thoughHey and then you're like nah bro I gotsomewhere to bebut you don't got anywhere to be you'rejust walking which is I ain't trying tolisten to that shit I'm trying to hearthat cash money millionaire yeah this iswhat the time when like you can actuallytrust people not necessary trust whensomeone got like a Hutton it's tape outof your trunk that's how to shortstarted in Oakland but nice shortwhiskey so there yeahyou were selling those I was like yo mancheck out like this is the dopest shityou listen to that a lot of Bay Areahip-hop and like some Sacramento havethought they just like just about italmost everywhere like one you have tohave a really good producer or DJ justset it up to for you to even like makethis stuff and hope to sell out yourstuff because it wasn't drugged itwasn't likelet me get some of that because Ialready knew what it was you took it andguess yeah and you have to realize thepeople be like this is what's up mmm andsometimes I mean like that's how it likesure not musicians are able to skirtlike having to have it distribute to therecord company I have like their teamjust they saw this as the mixtape willchange the production it's still my namebut it's like I get a hundred percent ofmy proceeds up instead of like like aquarter on every album myself thanks forinterviewing me I must be sweating up astorm and being well chopped be withyeah well hopefully the video is betteryou know once I edit this hopefully itturns out a lot better well yeah it wasgreat having you dudeI really hope this pandemic is over soonso we can actually do this in personbecause I'd much prefer that I don'tlike doing these video calls but yeahand yeah I just feeling the vibe too andthen also just like you know like I likeit when it's a little bit looser andthen we just like rift for a little bittooyeah yeah yeah yeah well so before weclose out do you have any last words orany shoutouts or any plugs I don't knowcheck out my Instagram pagethat's where you post all your photosand stuff yeah and one thing I want totell people it's like if you see manageam not doing anything gonna hit me upand just say hey can you take a pictureof us because that's the one thing Inoticed everyone always get a bunch ofthe cool shots but sometimes you alsowant memories too that you're like heyyou know whatthis was my first jam that I went withyou know my older crew mate that'straining me so you know those memoriesI mean sometimes it could be betterpreserved as opposed to having juststraight off your phone that you neverprint out anything yeahand he's talking mostly to thoseInstagram thoughts out there soalright man it was great having you onlet's get one moreowl to leave this show 1 2 3[Music][Music]you[Music] 

Eric, a bboy and Hip Hop community contributor, sits down to discuss the importance of community and the creation of J.U.I.C.E. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode noise of the broke boys isbrought to you by deodorantare you a large hairy purse paradingindividual with no regard for personalhygiene you attend social gatheringswith no self awareness of your ownpersonal body odors perhaps you're adancer that rolls on the ground for funallowing various dirt grime fungi andbacteria to collect on your grotesquebody if this is a constant struggle foryou perhaps it is a good idea to applydeodorant to your body before attendingsocial events such as your best friend'swedding or a family reunion no longerwill you cause scent inflicted faintingof others at the club you'll finally befree from causing your peers tospontaneously vomit at the first whiffof you get ready to make other dancersjealous of your new hygienic upgradeyattaman should not be used in lieu ofdaily bathing activities and othernecessary hygienic events do not use theordinary soap supplement or adjusted forrespiratory disease treatment and now onto the show in today's episode I sitdown with a b-boy I met when I moved tothe LA area about a year ago he is thepresident of juice an organization whoseaim is to support the local Los Angeleship-hop sceneI really respect the work they do pleaseenjoy this episode as I get to knowb-boy Eric hello everybody and welcometo the terrible trashcan talk show I amyour host Kurt rock ski and today I havea special guest his name is b-boy Ericjust you know government name he is thepresident of juice what's up man heyhow's it going thanks for having me yeahI'm glad you could comewhat I want to ask you because I don'tactually know what juice stands for butI like I just you know show up to youguys as practice and stuff and use yourfloor and everything so can you can youtalk to me a little bit about like whatjuices yeah so juice is an acronym Ialways tell people you know think aboutorange juice and theynever forget so say he's juice hip-hopand they go okay I remember looked thatup yeahbut juice is an acronym stands forjustice by uniting in creative energy soJu I see I'll say one more time it'sjustice by uniting and creative energyby uniting creative energy yeahinteresting okay yeah okay I think thatmakes sense yeah it's like yeah it'slike justice that's tight okay so thenum where are you the one who started itI know you're the president now but wereyou the one who started it or was it agroup collective or like how did thatactually fall into your lap yeah sothere's an interesting history of juicejuice has been around in Los Angelessince 2001 okay our founder she was amentor for incarcerated youth okay so Iwasn't the founder I kind of came inprobably earlier on in the existence ofjuice but still in this early stages butthe history of juice is that you knowwhen our founder was asking incarceratedyouth what could have made a differencein your life oh that was the bigquestion that she'd asked some of theyoung people that had made a mistake intheir life mm-hmm and just reflectingback on you know what could have made adifference they said you know you know Ireally wish I had a place that I can goto just a place that I could feel like Icould belong to yeah place that was safea place that I could feel that I wasaccepted for who I wasa place that did really interestingthings run by and for young people yeahspecifically hip hop arts not thetraditional YMCA or Boys and Girls Clubit's something that was more somethingthat I could relate to yeah and so whenasked that question you know those werethe items that our founder Don she saidyou know what if we had an organizationthat is in these underservedneighborhoodsthat could promote the free opportunityfor young people of any background tocome through to express themselvesthrough the hip-hop arts would not beamazing I mean well you know that couldmake you know life-changing things ifyou know these young people could havehad this opportunity in their life yeahso the history is over the yearsdawn formed a group of dancers to comeout and do festivals and get-togethersand this became a weekly eventeventually we ended up having a practicesession on Thursdays over on Vermont and8th Street in the Pico Union districtyou know specifically a neighborhoodthat had a lot of a lot of crime a lotof young people that you know probablydidn't have a path in their life but waseither in high school dropped out ofhigh school or was in transition betweenbeing a kid and being an adult and nothaving that path yet you know it's bestspecifically you know speaking with alot of the young people at juice theysaid you know I was a place in my lifewhere the streets were calling my nameyou know I just needed the house I needto make money you know I didn't have anoutlet but you know juice was a placethat I at least I can go to so we wereover on 8th in Vermont for a handful ofyears over time we moved to a coupledifferent locations and finally we endedup over at McArthur Parkstill in the same neighborhood at PicoUnion in the West Lake District and youknow we've been there since 2011 mmm2011 we became a 501c3 10:11 we did andwe decided to take that leap of faithand we had a fiscal partner before andsay hey let's let's go big and let'sfigure this thing out you know nothaving you know the specific road map weknew what we want to do we knew we weredoing something right we knew that therewas a need in the community and therewas just this huge following of artistsin the community that that came throughthe organization at one time in theirlives and hey you know what I metyou know my partner or I developed acraft in my in my art form because youknow there was a facilitator there thatjust kind of took me in under his wingor you know it just friendships developfrom here or you know it was the onething I could focus on in my life thatmade me feel like I could live again sowe knew were doing amazing work in thecommunity just you know in our capacityand you know our big thing was you knowlet's build a program that has you knowall the elements of hip-hop you know thethe four elements of em scene DJinggraffiti art and breaking and had thatall under one roof and and be able tohave a hip-hop collective where you knowhey I'm a graph writer but I also wantto learn how to be boy yes or you knowI'm a beat maker but I also you know Ilove I love graffiti art you know acrossyou know or I just I wanna learn how toDJ you know I've always seen these DJ'sout there so you know we were able tocreate an organization where we haddifferent facilitators that had aspecialty in their craft where theprogramming was it was unlike atraditional class or workshop programbut the idea was you know we wanted tocreate an organization that really kepttrue to the hip-hop arts where it wasjust really pure to peer teaching mm-hmmI think that was the key thing is iswhen you're able to work with youngpeople that feel the world is againstyou or just really not sure of places orpeople you know the best way to learnand the best way to develop friendshipsis really through that natural organicpeer-to-peer mentoring and where youknow doesn't matter where you come fromor where I came from you know we allcome from different backgrounds but wesee each other as friends as artists mmmand we're able to mentor each other ondifferent capacities you know it's it'syou know I always talk about you knowJuice is a place where you find peoplefrom all different backgrounds know somehave been educated and you know amazingIvy League schools or have amazingprofessions and some are just haven'teven finished high school but when wecome together it'swe share in this mentor of each otherand no one has seen as better than oneanother but we're all seeing each otheras friends and peers and I don't think Iwould have ever met the unique peoplethat I would have met unless it was forjuice because I just I would have neveryou know I think when we we get older wekind of have our own community andgroups that we connect with and so youknow for me you know my profession myday job you know I work in the city ofCalabasas you know a nicer neighborhoodyeah I work in commercial real estateand I deal with a lot of individualsthat are you know very savvy have beenvery well-off financially and then Itravel to downtown LA or the mid area ofLos Angeles and I and I and I connectwith people my age and older but stillyou know may be of a differentbackground but we connect on thisamazing level where I just I'm able toconnect and just feel a human again andand and live through these arts sothat's kind of the synopsis of juice isjust this community space where artistscome to it's free so anybody can kind ofcome through and find their own thingthere I've seen individuals that justcome just you know they see the b-boysand b-girls breaking in they just theyjust want to sit down and write andwatch and get inspired and you know Iget to know them and they'll go I didn'tknow you're amazing you know musician inthe Vocal Arts or something like thatya know I think it's important todevelop like a sense of community amongcreatives I mean I would say that a lotof times you know artists would maybethey I think it comes down to you knowpublic schools now don't really stressthe importance of creative arts and sosomeone who innately has this creativetendency in their life is somewhat likeshunned a little bit I think likesometimes they don't fit into school somuch and so that might you know go intohow widethey're you know feeling left outand so they don't have a community intheir typical day-to-day life and soit's important to find that communitybut you know I think once there see oncethey're seeing this they're like ohthere's so many people that are likethis and there they come from alldifferent walks of life and so I thinkthat it's it's such a great thing thatyou guys are doing this because it's ayeah it's a it's a great thing that isneeded in the community because I thinkit it's not it's not inherently in ourpublic school system and just in oursociety in general yeah you know it's Iover the years I've gotten to know a lotof young people that have been throughthe program and we always talk aboutsports in schools you know schools focuson traditional sports baseballbasketballmaybe soccer football but when it comesto the creative arts you know it's oneof those things that just it's notacademic in terms of scoring it doesn'thelp bring funding to our school sothose are things that are typicallydropped right away yeah and even thetraditional sports you know not everyoneis is laid out to to be excited or evenhave that natural ability within withincertain specific sports and so you knowwhat breaking does specifically I thinkit creates an avenue in an opening doorfor individuals that may not relate tobasketball football soccer and says heyyou know what but but breaking issomething that I can actively do and Ican learn how to do and I don't have tohave this natural ability to be you knowstrong or I don't have to be super tallto become Baska player you know and Ithink it it's the one one type ofactivity that I think anybody can beinvolved in and it doesn't cost youanything yeah and I think that's thegreatest thing it's you don't have tobuy uniforms you don't have to be partof a program that costs funds it's justyou know if you have space you have adesire you could do it wherever you wantya know that's what drove me to itbefore I was big into like martial artsand stuff and I just felt this likedisconnect between me and like a lot ofthe things the activities I was doingbecause it was always like oh you needto do it this way and this and I waslike I just want to do whatever the heckI want and so in a way I was like ab-boy before I even knew it breaking wasand once I stumbled upon breaking I waslike oh it's okay to do whatever thehell you want like it's encouraged infact if you're not doing thatit's discouraged you're you're a biterright so I was like man this is what Iwant to do this is like so fun it's youknow I love it because it's like anactive thing to do it's it keeps you inshape but you know it's encouraged tojust explore like different movementsand you can kind of make whatever youwant into something cool it's it's likeit's like taking you know a canvas andpainting and you just kind of turn itinto whatever you want that's how I lookat it and I had been a you know painterbasically my whole life before cominginto Breaking and so um it was like anatural thing for me to get into I meanobviously I needed to learn moves andstuff I needed to understand the colorpalette is what I could call it thecolor palette the techniques of how tohow to perform the dance but once Iunderstood that is like okay let me justput these pieces together in whateverway I can conceive of in my mind and Idon't know in its encouraged to do thatso I found that this is like what I wantto do this is I was like I say that Iwas like destined to be a b-boy you knowmy whole life really even though Ididn't know what breaking was until Iwas probably like 13 or something youknow so I think a lot of people probablyfeel the same way and a lot of peoplethat probably don't know what breakingis right now and so I I want to get themessage out to them that there is thiscommunity and I think that that's likethe mission statement of like juiceright and that you want to get thisthing out there so that people can cometo the community explore their differenttalents their different things buildtalents and you know ultimately becomepart of the hip-hop communityand do art together with us yeah I havean interesting story because I wasn't Iguess I wasn't I guess I wasn'tintroduced to hip-hop till much later onyeah I knew of hip-hop and you know Ilistened to hip-hop music mm-hmm but Ithink you know it didn't come till muchlater in my life where I reallyunderstood the true culture of hip-hopgoing back where I came from I I was agymnast growing up oh niceand so started when I was really youngdid it through college and my lastcompetition I was done oh I mean since Iwas probably five years old yeah Iworked out you know maybe five to sixdays a week three to four hours a daycompeted you know every other weekendand then one day it just it was I wasdone there was nothing left for me Ididn't have a desire to compete you knowany further I wasn't I wasn't at thatlevel either where I could go hey youknow is I could be in the top ten theUnited States I was you know I was I wasokay for where I was and and I had agood time doing it and I took a hiatusyou know I didn't even just stopped andI still kept in shape after I finishedschool I I moved to Japanmmm and I lived in Japan for about ayear and a half I always knew aboutbreaking but you know and I and Ibecause I was able to do some of themoves in gymnastics I saw you know breakdancers that time going oh hey that's athat's a that's a Thomas flare or that'sa team player and I was like yeah I wasdoing that when I was like six years oldyou know that's and so you know that wasthat came really natural to me I waslike get on my hands and I can do youknow an aerial flip you know that wassomething that I go yeah it's kind of inmy my bag of tricks you know so when Iwas in Japan I went to a universitythere had a relative that allowed me tokind of enter into a university justkind of as a spectator and okayit was really cool I stay there forabout almost half yearand I met this young man who was doing astyle of dance called tutting yeah infront of a glass mirror at theUniversity and I just went up to say heyyou know that's really cool yeah my nameis Eric and sure enough we just kind ofhit it off and he's like yeah I alsob-boy I am and so hey won't you comepractice with us yeah so he introducedme to his crew in Japan called chitinninja oh yeah yeah and then all of asudden you know this thing that I waspracticing since I was a fire his oldgymnastics all a sudden startedtransforming to a street dance and thenthat street dance became breaking yeahand then I started to go wow this isreally cool you know and and I just Ithink more so was just the need in thefeeling of being able to have a group tobe around and in just being able toexpress you know something that's verynatural in me in movement you knowgymnastics without perfection straightlegs and plenty of toes and eventuallyyou know it allowed me to just to go heywhat if I just bend my right knee andflex my front foot and just do somethingfunky you know and creating your ownpersonality through it but you know Ialready had that skill set at that ageand I was like you know this is reallycool but what I really learned is aboutcommunity and I think it was about thecrew aspect because I'd never had thatit reminded me about how I had a teamwhen I was in gymnastics and about someof the close relationships that I haveand it just allowed me to go how thiswould it feels like to be a crew andjust to share in and just yourexperiences with each otherpractice hard with each other eat witheach othershare stories with each other and justbe there for each other I felt that wasthat was kind of the opening up of whathip-hop culture was really all aboutyeah it's about that community and thatneed for belonging and just aboutsharing in your life so eventually youknow I startedaccessing learning about breaking andjust some of the basic fundamentals butyou know I was like I was always doingjust doing power moves I mean I didn'tlearn about the basic fundamental stepsoh thank godyou know what I was gonna do this nowand then see where it takes me but I wasreally into and eventually I came backto the United States and I was just kindof more aware about what you know Ilearned in Japan and they go gosh thismust exist here somewhere yeah yeah soone day you didn't even know you know soI was just you know cuz I didn't Iwasn't exposed to breaking I was exposedto a lot of hip-hop growing up and thenone day I was over at work and I heardthis girl talk about this place that isjust an open session yeah a lot ofreally dope b-boys and b-girls go dothey have an awesome MC program live DJthey have graffiti art walls I'm likewhoa so I just went up to her and sayhey I overheard you talking about thisplace can you tell me about it I'mreally interested it's just like yeahjust come follow me it's in LA yeah Iwas like okay and remind you so I grewup in the valley I was super suburbia Ohand I and I was living I think on thattime on the west side of Los Angeles soI was like oh la it's kind of dangerousout there isn't it yeah like I don'tknow you know um so I remember going outthere I was like where are we in LA cuzI never went to a Laker I've alwaysthought it was like a dangerous placeyeah I mean that's how sheltered I wasI'm growing up but you know sure enoughit was it was in it was in the heart ofLA and the minute I walked into juicethat one day I mean I felt this amazingfeeling over going wow there's so muchenergy here there's so many amazingtalented artists here and it's free andI just I was kind of in awe and I just Iwas just watching everybody collaboratetogether just people talking going wowthis is a place I really need to be atyeah that was my first experience and Ithink I sat down for the first 30minutes just watching cuz I was justlike wow there's just so much amazingthings going on here that's tight yaknow I I guess I probably have a similarexperience walking into one of the firstjams I've ever been to when I wasprobably 13right 14 13 14 I walked in and it's justlike all these people are just dancingbattling and I was like whoa okay atthat time I was like a skateboarder andyou know I was aware of like whatbraking was I could do a few moves orwhatever but I'd never been to an eventbefore and so I go in and I just seethese like top level guys but I didn'tknow who they were at that time but andI see them actually Rob Zilla was theirstuntman was their Cujo was there and Iwas like oh my god who's this guy justlike literally flying on his hands andand you know come to know it later it'slike oh that was Cujo yeah it just likeblew my mind to see that and thatthere's this huge community of you knowof b-boys because before that it waslike oh it's just some high schoolersthat get together in the lunchroom youknow at my high school cuz the janitorsaid we could be there until he comes inthere basically and so that's that thatwas breaking to me before that momentand so yeah it like hit me it hit melike a brick going oh there's this ismore than like what I'm what I thoughtit was you know it's more than justfreaking rolling around on the floorthis is like this is a real movement soyeah that's that's that's tightyeah was interesting you mentioned someof those names uh-huh stop man Rob Sillagood Joe because they've been aroundjuice since the very inception oh yeahand they they were actually very muchinstrumental and bringing together theorganization and the b-boy communitymm-hmm and so you know it's just amazinghow many b-boys and b-girls have beenthrough juice at one time in their lifeand have come through the doors you knowI always hear so many internationalvisitors come we go hey we heard aboutthis place in LA yeah and you have sucha long history of alleys you know b-boyswe used to watch on VHS tapes and noware on YouTube but this has been like aniconic spot where people have comethrough at least one time in their lifemm-hmm and so it's really cool to hearyou know how individuals from like JapanGermanyjust you know they'd say hey we're herewe want to take a picture of thisyou know Amazings yeah or a lot ofhistory has come from yeah yes is itreally it's always really encouraging tohear something like that yeah no I knewabout juice before I moved to LA I meanI had I probably known about it for along time I didn't know exactly what itwas but um it was like there was alwayslike a buzz around like what you knowwhat this is there's this thing out inLA and I had I only moved out here likemaybe less than six months ago and so Ihad no idea you know what I guess howdeep it was and so once I got here I waslike oh it's this is uh this is like areal like thing I thought it was justlike a dance studio or something youknow what I mean that had been aroundfor awhile but no this is like this isthis you guys have a whole freakinmission that you're trying to accomplishI mean you are accomplishing and so yeahit was just amazing to see that so thatand that's why I wanted to talk to youtoday so yeah um so you said you were inJapan about what age were you when youwere in Japan I was about 23 okay23 years old and so that's when youfirst got into breaking I thinkseriously okay taking it more seriouslyjust really training because before thatI mean you know I go to a party and Iwas like oh there's a circle here let meshow them how to do flares oh yeah yeahyou know so I kind of knew of did you dothe gymnast start where you're like yesI tried no I cuz I saw like I go thatlooks really corny if I'd you know do itlike like that I know you should havedone it you should have put on a wholeyeah and then just do it yeahbut but I would you know I would I wouldremember you know going to these likeevents where like you know a circlealways forms right and then you get homeyou know people going in there and doinga lot of like footwork and then all of asudden I go in there and you know atthat time of my life I was I was prettygood at gymnastics I was really in goodshape and soI was just doing like t flares yeah likeand then I was like super easy then I godried into like these flares where youknow it looked like gymnastics well Igot a funny story so the first time Icame to juice and I started to I startedget down and you know I started doingthese flares yeah there's a b-boy comesup to me and says gymnastics gymnasticshe knew right away because he goes youknow the way I did was like it was justyou know I was almost a splits - enginelike yeah like his flares were likepointed toes yeah you know and I wasable to do it in Reverse ways where elselike doing flares and spinning the otherway and yeah he pointed out right awayhe goesgymnastics so I always remember that andso yeah kind of go I go oh gosh it isthat obvious that's when you do abackflip and just do this yes yeah yeahthat's what I would have done but Ican't do that so but no yeah if I was ifI was a gymnast I would have totallyjust embraced it and been like most formperfect flares and then go yes and boomand you don't rip off your hoodie youguys it's hard underneath I don't know Ilike to mess around with stuff like thatbut that's tight so um so I guess whatage do you think you started breakingthen I like I think it was always partof me like gymnastics and they're likeshowcasing I always like to perform Ithink that was the aspect of somethingyeah and part of my lives were destinedto be a B so I would say seriouslyprobably around 23 24 I mean I didn'teven know what his sick stuff was I waslike yeah I just thought people ranaround like with I go oh there's anactual fundamental way to do this yeahyeah yeah and so I was like cuz I usedto pretend like you know just go oh Igot this you know and then you'rerunning around yeah and so it's funnynow because I a lot of young kids yeahand you know they always see what peopleare doing but they just run around withherand feet and thinking that's exactlywhat everyone else to do which is trueto a certain extent but I think you knowyou start to break it down you okaythere's an actual there's a formula tothis and there's usual hand-feetmovement that you know everyone learnsfrom mm-hmm yeah and I mean the bits andit's so deep - I mean there's like everylittle position you're putting your handand your foot is like a different movealmost I mean I have a whole thing aboutmy perspective of Fork but we don't haveto talk about that but so breaking soyou you always felt like you were kindof destined to be a b-boy you're a b-boyand a gymnast body I'd suppose and soyou came into it and you already had thearsenal as if you had been breaking yourentire life and just forgot to dofootwork or something yeah I gotta behonest I I didn't learn footwork tillmuch later on and then you know as youget older you know I think the powermoves become a little more difficultbecause it hurts your elbows or yourshoulders your wrists and so I mean forme like I even stopped doing playerslike five six years ago just because itwas just every time I did it I just ithurt my body a lot and so what I startedto do a little bit more was focus onstyle and just almost fundamentals andgo in the reverse way where I'm goingbackwards where I'm going all right Ican do these things that that you know Ican condition my body to not do so muchI guess power moves but I can go more tostyle and try to do what I can do withinmy age and and still feel healthyafterwards yeah yeah I mean I thinkthat's what's so great about breaking islike there's just it's such a branchingthing I mean there's so much I mean lookas someone outside looking in they'reprobably like I don't understand thisbut like when you go into it it's likeman there's so many things to learn thatthere's no way you're gonna learn it allin the your lifetime as a b-boy and so -taking pieces of everything and you canjust mix it in whatever way you want Ithat that is like so cool you know youryour style kind of develops as you agebecause of it like develops around whatyou're capable of in a way you know Imean like for me I started out doing alot of footwork then I started doingpower moves then I started injuringmyself and I stopped doing powerfulmoves and just started doing otherthings I started freestyling a lot moredoing more top rocks and you know otherlike flowy type of moveslots of transitions and stuff and then Idon't know now I'm where I'm at kind oflike dude like I can do moves but it'slike oh there's a risk to it I mighthurt myself so yeah one thing I loveabout breaking is is you know it's justthe the free flow of creativity I thinkcreativity comes from differentinspirations in your life mm-hmm andmaybe what you do outside of practice orthings that you see and I get a lot ofinspiration by watching other styles ofdance yeah and I love just you knowhouse dance or just different movementsand go wow that's really cool what if Iyou know you know create that movementin my top rocks and just be a little bitmore funky you know and yeah and I lovethat aspect of just being unique andjust developing your own style throughwhatever inspires you in lifeyeah I always got inspired by those oldlike corny kung fu movies that for somereason they were just so cool to seelike someone whooping the other dudesass and then he just like sits in somecrazy fries and he just you know hismouth moves and then it says somethingelse buddy oh dude my style is betterthan yours I always thought that thatwas the dopest thing ever and they wouldyou know I used to watch this one moviecalled the Buddhist fist a long time agoand this dude would just jump into thecraziest freezes and I was like dudethis guy's a b-boy like for reals he'sjust hitting I remember he hit thiscrazy like chair freeze on his elbow andhe's just pointing at the guy and he'sjust like talking shit like oh dudethat's loveand then you know he obviously gets upand whupped his ass or whatever but Ialways like that because it was just socorny but so dope yeah totallybut yeah the movement is so is so coolbut yeah just getting the inspirationanywhere I mean is is encouraged inbreaking in I think that that's theoverall I don't know message to be saidand and and why it resonates with me somuch and resonates with a lot of peopleyeah yeah so outside of hip-hop do youhave any other creative endeavors orhobbies in your life yeah so it soundsfunny but there's a couple things I liketo do one of them is scene karaoke mybrother are hell in the car I mean likewe're I'm not we're not good singers butdo you don't doubt yeah so that's one ofmy how would you say was one of mypassions I have a a singing group that Igo to every Wednesday oh dang so you'relegit and so we do karaoke everyWednesday and so I've been doing thisfor the last you know five or six yearsstraightthat's tight so I really enjoy thataspect of being creative but you knowsinging renditions of songs and in myown way what's your favorite song thisthing oh man you know that's a greatquestion I don't have oneyeah I would say you know all depends onthe crowd of like what type of musicthey like it okay and maybe that wouldbe like the song genre I would choosejust you know if if there was like awhole crowd of b-boys of what would youpick oh man it wouldn't be it wouldn'tbe a pop love song that's for suremaybe like a Bruno Mars song okay yeahjust something that has a little bitmore funk to it that what people can getinto and likeor whatever yeah 24-karat you know yeahyeah yeah just something that's likegroovy funky you know that people canall go yeah let's get down to the Hatokay so what about if it was like a likea senior citizen home yeah a seniorcitizen home well a funny thing youmentioned senior citizen home so one ofmy good friends right now what he'sdoing is he's going to different seniorcitizen homes and he's sitting upkaraoke at dude before that so andbecause it does a lot of things it helpsstimulate the mindyeah and whether they sing well or notit's it's the matter of readingsomething on television keeping you upand it justthey reflect on the past and I think youknow memory is a big thing with with youknow older folks and so there'ssomething there's something there's areally deep connection between singingthat stimulates the mind but also beingwith a read and do a little thing so theinteresting thing was I went to a seniorcitizen home and to join them in karaokenight yeahso they most of them probably won'trecognize you know anything that'sprobably from the 90s and on yeah unlessand they're like oh do you know likeDean Martin or something really old soone of the songs I sang just because Idon't really know a whole lot of reallyold songs I mean I seen a lot of Beatlessongs too but okay you know maybe somelike the Rascal Flatts like life is ahighway that just kind of is they maynot recognize it but the melody is kindof cool so they go they start to likeyou know maybe even dance to it a littlebit yeah yeah yeah that's tight so areyou like a pretty good singer in my mindI'm a pretty good singer but to otherpeople I'm probably just mediocre okayI've always wanted to learn to sing likeI've I've recently got pretty into likemusic production and I've like in mymind I've always been like oh I want tosing over these but I don't know I don'tknow how to sing I mean I kick I canfake it I do I mean me and my brotherwould always do karaoke and we we don'tdo it too often anymore but we used todo it literally like every week we wouldgo to this this Japanese restaurant inSacramento and we were just we would bethe only people doing it too and we werejust freaking take over the restaurantjust singingI don't know we would always sing likewelcome to the junglethose are tough songs yeah and those arereally hard hard songs to sing so I meanwe sucked at it so but um what was theother song I'd singI believe in a thing called love by thedark the darkness okay yeah that songwas all we were all about that one umyeah I don't know we tons of BackstreetBoys songs a shit those are classics youknow everyone knows some too so I was inJapan going back to that time period andI remember you know I would be new tothe location the area I didn't have anyfriends at that point I just knew youknow we have our days off you know fromwork because I taught English in Japanso you're doing like a jet program itwas it was a private school program okayand so on my days off you know like okayyou know what should I do there's allthese karaoke places all over the placebut I was like all right how does thisworkyeah I'm just gonna enter it so one dayI decided to go let me just check it outyou know and so I get there and it'slike yeah I like to sing karaoke this islike my broken English I make the brokenJapanese yeah and like one yeah just meshe's like I think they asked me likethree or four times like one just oneare you crazyand so I said yeah just me is that okayso and they did it by time so I rememberI would like jam you know like becausehe charged by hour so I invited her youknow and you have to order a drink -that's like their minimum oh okay so Iwould like pack and you know as manysongs like in and then do that and so Iremember going back to the class becauseI used to teach adults English hmm andwe were talking about karaoke and inthis one Japanese student of mine she'slike you know seeing karaoke by yourselfis like going to Disneyland by yourselfand running all the rides by yourselfthat's how weird it might be but I wasso into it I mean I loved it and I lovedbeing part of like a group sing karaokethat's a burnshe burned you pretty hook you know andthat's I guess it just kind of it waspart of something that I'd love to do isZ and I don't even know how to sing welllike I think in my mind I can sing okaybut in terms of seeing lessons and howto really resonate your voice and how todo it properly you know it's all beenself taught just like kind of somewhatlike breaking is but you know it's allbeen self talk you never took any voicelessons or anything never took anythingI've always thought about taking it Ijust don't have the time right now but Ithink eventually I'll probably do itjust cuz it's always been something Iwanted to learn right when I was youngerwe would go to my mom had us in likewhat is it called Sunday school and sowe would always we'd have to be a partof like a choir there so at a young agewe were learning how to sing you knowprobably through elementary school orwhatever and then you know and then Istopped doing that and but it always wasyou know I guess the little bit ofsinging lessons I had when I was youngerthrough that is it's really the onlything I've had but sometimes I'll watchlike youtube videos about how to likeuse your lungs better your diaphragmbetter I'm not a good singer though butit's something I definitely want to getgood at hey well you know what we got aset date and just bang it out you knowwhenever my brother has like a party athis house he has a little what's itcalled Magic Mike uh-huh and we justlike go off on it yeah so so I set up atmy placeuh-huh kind of this I have two Mike's ofa mixer and I have a karaoke programthat has tons of songs I just kind of gothrough that's things so I remembergoing to it was a juice offend we justall got together a lot of the staff andthe friends came by and my friend who'sa DJ yesyou're like because I brought the wholesystem over I brought my PA system themics the stands he's all like you'relike a DJ for care yeah because I waskind of likeall right next Sangha you know who is ondeck you know that's tight yeah dude Ialways was curious all right I alwayshad this weird idea that to do karaokeat a jam like while people are battlingjust have a deed I don't know how Iwould quite work but like you're playingmusic and then someone's up there justsinging like this song I don't know howit work quite like I always thought thatthat'd be so dope to make that happen itwould like totally lighten up the mood Ithink of a jam and that's I'm all aboutthat kind of thing yeah I I thinkbreaking away from the traditionalstructures that'll be interesting youknow one aspect about jams I love is youknow live music I mean gosh just havinglive music is so different it's so coolI remember going to one of Jeff's killsevents and it was awesome this had afull-on live band just going off youknow for a handful of songs and you knowit was just really cool just have thataspect of it like it was a concert yeahit feels like it and it you know andthey're just like a lot of times I sawit would be like the DJ is playing theirmusic and then this live band would justjump on and just put a bass line orwhatever you know and I always thoughtthat was tight they'd hit the drums andstuff they yeah kind of play along withit yeah we did a couple of jams over atthe park where we brought in drumsetsaxophone and we had two DJ's justspinning at the same time and usingother instruments along yeah it justreally created a different vibe and Ithought was really cool yeah yeah itcreates a concert vibe and it's it's notit's not even like you had an entireband or like you know they they had likea whole set that they were doing it wasjust some guys just playing you knowplaying to a song that's already existedthis is probably how they practice to behonest and so they were just like heyI'm down with this doo doo doo doo dooyou know playing that junk and theneverybody loves it so I I actually met afew drummers recently and I was like ehis this the kind of is this like how youpractice because this is like somethingthat b-boylove you know b-boys and b-girls loveand so if you ever wanted to just go toa jam or something or a practice evenand just jam out like it would bedefinitely yeah I I would invite thattoo to just like you know let's justspring out some congas and just havesome beats and just just freestyle itand just you know bringing other friendsjust want to have really cool rhythmsand just jam out to itbecause I love the diversity ofdifferent types of music as long as ithas like consistent beat that people areinto what's your favorite style of musicactually so what I listen to I listen tothe top 40 music oh you do okay I doalright and I think some of that comesbecause you know when I start to singkaraoke oh yeah that those are the songsI go okay those are kind of popular nowbut there's certain songs I go I reallylike that type of song yeah it's itdoesn't have to be all male singers tolike there there there there are TaylorSwift songs there's Halsey songs thatI'm into that I go okay that really hasa really cool melody and a beat I'mgonna sing the guy version of it okayyou know and a different key yeah but Ilisten top 40 but then you know when Iwhen I break and so forth I mean and Ican't listen to just the remixes and yesI'm a you know great funk and R&B thatjust is out there when when when anybodyasks me that question I always have ahard time answering it because I I canliterally find a song in any genre thatI like you know and so I mean maybe theanswer to the question is like whichJohn are do I find the most songs butthere's some John Rose I just haven'tyou know dug so deep into but I just Ijust love music like you know all hereI'll hear something weird that I'venever heard before and I'll go like okayI don't quite understand this yet butlet me give it a try and I you knowsometimes I'll get into it I'll go likeoh okay I see what they're trying to dobecause it's not it's not always justabout a lot I mean a lot of time there'sthey're trying todo something different musically andit's maybe just not understood at thattime because it's so different and Imean it's just it's fun to like breakdown what they were creatively doing intheir music yeah so and that that's whatI think is so fun about music and why somany different styles of music likeresonate with me and so yeah I like tolisten to some of the weird likeexperimental stuff that like doesn'teven have like a you know a steady beator anything because even that stuff yougood like you you want to break downlike what the heck is going on and it'slike it's so cool like once you startfiguring it out yeah and I think gettingmore into music production has helped mekind of break down music a lot betterinto so but yeah I don't know I you knowwhen I was younger I was really intolike rock music alternative you knowlike Nirvana the Third Eye Blind guysmmmthings like that Rage Against theMachine I was really into and then lateron I started getting more into hip-hopthat got more into like soul music funkmusic and stuff namely from breakingjazz music got a little bit into likecountry music recently I've been intolike mumble rap actually okay yeah a lotof people have like a kind of weirddisdain for it which at first when Iwhen I first heard I was like oh what isthis stuff and I kind of gave it a tryfor a while and then I started realizingyou know mumble rap is like thisgeneration the this generations way ofbeing like counterculture you know I'vetalked to a lot of people about thisactually on this podcast but hip-hop hasalways been like a somewhatcounterculture thing they want to dothen something new that no one else hasdone and like I really feel like that'swhat the mumble rap scene was all aboutwas like let's make music but we're nottrying to copy what these guys didbefore us let's do something new youknow much like punk how punk music theywould scream and you know kind of have ainaudible like noise almost I feel likethat's what momis doing and I've always liked punkmusic and so when I when I realized thatconnection to counterculture and likethem doing something different I reallygained like a huge respect I guess forit and I don't know yeah I think hip-hopis is very much you know that outletit's that it's that counterculture it'sit's creating something you always sayfrom nothing but you know it's reallyyou know having having that creativenesswith what you have yeah you know and andI think it's just it's a really uniqueway of expression you know I look backas to the evolution of hip-hop becauseyou know hip-hop culture has beenchanging over the years and I think itchanges I think as we come to the newage is what's what people you know gothrough in their lives kind of reflectthe outcome of how they express himselfyou know I think a lot of times peoplehave hip-hop and the culture kind ofconfused in some sense especially ifyou're not really involved in thecommunity to see what it's all about youknow that was one of the topics ofdiscussion is you know what is hip-hopright and I think people always go wellyou know hip-hop is is rap music yeahit's a style of dance yeah and I thinkthere's some type of you know disconnectbetween what is what is authentichip-hop you know so people go what iship-hop and what every time I and Iexplain hip hop to others that may nothave been involved in the culture righttell them it's about it's aboutcommunity it's about respect and loveit's about bringing you know positivityto to the worldit's about belonging family and andthese are all the the items that kind ofform what we call hip-hop today and soyou know what we try to do over at juiceis to kind of keep those core valuesabout having respect for everyone youknow it doesn't matter your backgroundand your race your color your talentanything you know everybody is welcomein hip-hop yeah and you know that's oneof the things that you know we prideourselves just to make surethat you know we want to make sure thedoors open for everybodyyeah hip-hop to me is like a lifestyleit's a it's a culture it's a lifestyleand it's um it's not it transcends Ithink all of the the you know the fourelements the four typical elements wetalked I think it I think it's um it'sit's much more than that it's it's alifestyle it's a it's a whole cultureand it's ever-growing I wouldn't besurprised if later on we start sayingthat there's five elements of hip-hop orsix elements of hip-hop you know what Imean and I think it's just because thebubble is growing more and we're likeyou know as more people getting involvedwith it where we're actually figuringout more about like what this all whatthis all is and and so you know I thinkin the next couple years we're gonnaprobably see more and more peoplegetting involved with it namelyyou know breaking is now gonna be in theOlympics so I think it's gonna open alot of people's eyes to what we do andso I wouldn't be surprised if there's aninflux of new b-boys you know coming inand trying to learn what hip-hop is andso I think having a good definedcommunity for them to and welcomingcommunity ready for them is like reallythe best way to handle that because it'snot you know this is a welcomingcommunity and so we wanna we want tomake that apparent you know when whenthat happens I don't know I don't knowif you have anything to say about thatit's yeah I'm you know breaking breakingis always meant to evolve over time withwhatever's going on in the world orwhatever's happening in our community alot of people ask me you know what doyou think about breaking in the Olympicsyeah and you know I think it's part ofits course you know I think breaking isalways meant to evolve hmm I see a lotof great things with having breaking aspart of a larger community yeah andpeople being exposed to something that'sreally importantI think what's important is to make surethat the information about what hip-hopis and what the true culture is is alsoexplained yeah and that there's rightpeople that are able to be part of youknow getting that information out topeople that may not know a lot abouthip-hop a breaking I think that's areally important figure to make surethat you know whatever the OlympicCommittee decides to do is to make surethat there's they keep that authenticityof the culture yeah yeah I was talkingto my friend Serge yesterday actuallyabout all this and he's like he's veryadamant about portraying hip-hopcorrectly like he really wants people tounderstand there's like a lot of I guessa struggle that was you know kind ofbaked into hip-hop and that he does hewants when people come in he doesn'twant to shoo them away or anything hewants to welcome them but then also likeeducate them about what this is and thatthey're not just coming into it as youknow just for the good I guess but butunderstanding everything about it youknow the history of it and that maybethere was some bad parts of that youknow namely that there's maybe some kindof oh you know it's kind of built out ofyou know the ghetto it's built out ofpoverty it was built out of you know abasic struggle in life and to get towhere it is now and so coming into ityou got to respect that as well and sothat was that was one of the main thingshe was he he wants to portray as youknow the scene evolves so which I whichI respect I think that's a that's a goodthing to do you know to always respectlike your history but also welcome inthe evolution of it so well anywayswe're hitting about an hour right now soI think we could probably wrap this showup do you have any lessbest words anything else I know wedidn't really talk about like a crewaffiliation or anything do you have acrew affiliation so I don't I don't havea crew affiliation I guess I get niceyou know there is a juice crew out therehere but oh is that yeah you gonnabattle fit yeah I mean they're prettygood but uh okay yeah I you know I Ilook at you know the evolution of alsojuice and where it has been where it'scome to and you know part of what wewant to continue to do is is build thismodel that we have is free spaces foranybody to come through to be able toexpress themselves in all areas I mean Ithink if you ask me you know what iswhat do I see in the future of juice andI go gosh I could see juice in in everycitycross country across the seas having alocation all over just a place wherepeople can come to to express themselvesutilizing the hip-hop arts as a tool forsocial change empowerment mm-hmm youknow arts education and just changingpeople's lives yeahso we're our future and our hope is tocontinue to do what we're doing continueto grow continue to build new teammembers but also establish new locationsacross you know different areas and yeahthat's what we're trying to do is is isorganically grow you know we've beenworking with the city in the county ofLos Angeles we have different locationsthat we could possibly open up but Ithink what's holding us back right nowis just the ability to staff and alsofinance some of those locations becauseit is a free program so a lot of thingsthat we do you know it's all either bydonations or individuals that reallybelieve in what we do and so you know ifwe have one of those you know wonderfulfunders one day that says hey you knowhow do we really help you guys reallytake this thing offyeah thing that could really change whatwe do and I think you know as we gettowards you know more popularity withthe Olympics and just the media and soforth you know our hope is to be able toalso maybe even ride thata little bit and you know grow what wedo yeah I would imagine there's probablya lot of opportunity for grants outthere I mean there already is but Ithink maybe as there's more popularitythere's there's probably more willing ofthe you know of these organizations andthe government to you know give you guysgrants to do what you do especially ifyou have a well-defined message and planyou know to execute it so I think youknow my mother she's a in art she's anartist in it and a teacher and so shewas doing a lot of similar kind of workin Sacramento where she was gettinggrants to do these well it was like it'slike a it's like a program it's ahealing program through art is I guessthe best way to describe it it's whereshe was she had um women who were youknow subject to abuse or whatever andthey came in did artwork to kind of likeas a therapy and so she was the teacherand organizer the director I don't knowall that stuff so she was doing all thegrant writing and everything to put thisprogram on and so she did that for avery very long time now now she'sretired but okay she still kind ofteaches a little bit but um but yeah Iimagine I mean cuz there's a need for itand so it's it's I imagine that there'stons of grasses right now what we'redoing is collaborating with largerorganizations yeah so we're gonna beworking with LAUSD and after-schoolenrichment programs we're finishing upour contract with them and we have aschool that we're specifically gonna dofree braking programs yeah and thenwe're gonna work with anotherorganization in the location that we'rewith that's already you know a prettywell-known youth organization andincorporating something hip and coolinto their program for some of theiryouth mm-hmm and then you know one ofthe other ideas that we're doing rightnow that we're working towards isopening up another location for juice onSaturday at the same time that we haveour program and being able to teach kidsand families specifically new tobreaking oh cool and so we have alocation already determined for thatand once again it's about staffing andI'm probably gonna end up doing thatportion of just kind of going with itand just seeing where it leads us yeahlike everything you know we try thingsand sometimes we learn from them and weget better at it yeah yeah well I thinkthat you're doing some amazing work andyou know I'm glad to hear that it'sgrowing and that you have big plans forthe future so stay tuned and I'd love tohave you back if you ever have time tocome and talk to more stuff do somekaraoke yeah dope dude so do you haveany like social media to shout out orwhatever I don't know yeah so you canfollow us on a juice hip-hop I would saylike orange juice so juice and hip hopthat's our that's our or handle so comefollow us yeah we're over at MacArthurPark every Saturday from 12:00 to 4:00and then cell is our Park in East LA onFridays from 6 to 8 p.m. free foreverybody free for everybody even meyeah dope cool thank you for for comingon dude this has been a great time Ithink this was a great episode I'mreally happy that you were able to comeand thank you guys for listeningall you zero listeners though sorry theshow 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currentlylives in australiaplease enjoy the episode with my friendand inspiration mikeyhello everybody welcome to the noise ofthe broke boys podcastmy name is kurt rockski and i'm heretodaywith my good friend mikey what upwhy don't you give us a little uh introto youuh since people might not know who youare i'm pretty surenobody knows who i am but that's cooluh my name is mikey joaquin i am adancer originally from sacramentocurrently livingin brisbane australia i doum was it i guess the term is anall-styles dancer soyeah like so because so when i first metyouum you were breaking right with like thestep boysno no i was not but i met you throughthem right yesum a couple of them taught me yeahthat's how i got start that that's whatthat they they i started with b-boyingand that'syeah they are the ones that uh taught meinitially but i was neveron a step you weren't yeah i know youweren't on step boys butuh i just remember i think being ativan's housethis is a friend of ours who's part of agroup called step boysuh and i was maybe like 15 or 16 yearsold and i was there and you were theredoinglike practicing flares or something andi think that's how we metand so i was like oh this guy breaks andthen ithink you started doing something elselike popping or something around thattime and then i was like oh this guy candoeverything and then in my mind you wentfrom b-boy to everythingso uh yeah around that time it was justlike umi think i felt i felt like i was gettingin the game late because i starteddancing about like16 like mucking around um and like youknow like you know likeas you do you start like in your garageor in your roombut i really um it reallyit's i don't know if it's bad to likesay or like ruins my street credbut like you got served was like myi mean okay look we'll take it fartherback i think i've been i've been dancingmost of my life i just don'tca i didn't consider it dancing at thetime like i watchedi grew up watching michael jackson i'dimitate him all the time but i couldn'tlikedo stuff i just like to move but you didlikekids you know you hear a song and you'relike oh yeah that's my jam yeah and thenyouyeah you jump around and then yourparents go like oh what's he doingyeah exactly i was always moving i wasalways moving and stuffand um yeah and then um i was fortunateafter watching i was like oh that's athing that people do like you got servedand uh if you haven't seen this go checkit out that's like that was like aa big it was kind of like the first uhwhat do you call itdance crew movie because like they havebeat street for b-boying andit was hip-hop styles yeahi feel like that was when that movie yougot served was whenthe urban dance scene got its likesecond wind a little bit was honey firstoh yeah you're right honey was firstwhich was jessica albauh she might have been the only one intherei mean like i remember which was alwayswritten it was all about stuffyeah but i think i think you got servedwas when it kind of liketook off and it was like yo this is dopebecause no one sayshoney but when p people say like oh iwatched honey people still say like yougot served though like people still saythati don't know who but i know i watchedhoney but it wasn't for the dancer yeahyeah if you know what i mean yeah i'msaying no i'm sickum but yeah so that was what got mereally excited i was like oh that's thething you can doand then you know when you find thatyou're interested in something you allof a sudden you start noticing that it'salways been aroundand there was this kid oh i forget hisname but he used to get down withlike um will and rex like some kids iknow before they were on step boysi forget his name he went to live inantelope and he would he did uhthis really cool move that where youspin around the floor called windmillwindmillsyeah i forget his ah but he doesn'tbreak anymore and like i think he was heasianmaybe he was dreads no okay so rememberback in the daythere was like a bunch of there was likean animal i don't know if you knew iknew some of them because i'd alwayspracticed in june's house yeah willcody and um ah i keep forgetting hisname but hehe had sick power oh he could dang idon't remember his name becauseyeah he like quit he did when like andstarted likejoined a band or something somethinglike that yeah when we wereprobably still in high school maybe likejust out of high school probably yeahbut like when i was ini remember he's been doing it because hehis brother did and he started learningbut i was in middle schooland we were at school dance so this isafter i'd sing you got servedyeah and then they had like a dancecompetition and you know like a bunch ofpeople entered but when you're at thatage no one can do shitno one can do cool stuff and then thiskid just comes out and just starts doingwindmills for daysjust spinning around like and i was justlike that isdope and i want to be like how do youknow what you learned oh yeah my brotherdoes and then he's like i thinkeither him oh no my brother my brotheractually nonew will from step boys he's like yeah iknow some of them they break dances iwas like yeah could you introduce meand even though i was like two yearsolder than all of them it's still likethat's that's just how much it drew meand so i yeah and then i'd go and theyjust live down the street which was alsocool so i just went down their housewhenever they were freeand just be like yo um you knowt show me some stuff and then over timei got one shit practice at home i joineda choreography team calleduh press play i was in i was a part ofanother one before calledasian image yeah i didn't um everyonehad they didn't stick around yeah itdidn'tyeah it was cool like dance crew mineyeah it's called the panda expresscruise so we'd probably take the cakefor the worst name ever yeah yeah but umit was my idea but it was still it wasstill fun and then i joined press playwhich is a like a muchbigger deal yeah that's when i reallygot into the cultureand and press play for people who don'tknow was made byuh joe laura right yeah who is originaljabberwockiesyes um very good dancerhighly influential in the sacramentoscene yeah and currently one of theum obviously one of the big heads injabbawockeez who now run thelas vegas show super successful i justwatched it super dope yeah go check itoutum yeah and that's when i reallygot into the culture because there werethree directors at the timejoe this guy named brandon greathouseand then jason mcsoucy and they all hadtheir own strengthsand did a lot for me in terms of gettingmymy mentality and work ethic and what ivalued as a dancerand for me it was more it was just aboutlike just gathering all the knowledgeyou canand and committing it into creating likeyour own style because i think back thendancing was still very verysegregated you were a popper you werelocker you it's stillit still really is too i mean but ithink these i think these days now withlike things like umyou know all the dance programs that areon as well as thelike you know uh major dancecompetitionsum events like uh just taboo in franceor the red bull battles it's really kindof and the internet has just allowedeveryone to reallyrealize that it's such a bigger worldout there whereas at the time we didn'thave any of that we literally had likeyou either got a dvd from a jam orlike a or friggin like before you seeour tape yeahor steam youtube sometimes stealing uhvhs tapes from your friends yeahor sometimes even like you'd wait forlike the uh like the just a bookind of compilation reel from like thatyear's event on the website on style tooof yeah yeah yeahi don't know if it's still there and youhad to down i remember you had todownload the video that's when and itwas likeyelling you yeah it was on your uh56k modem which like yeah it rings andwhatever and like ittakes a hell along so long yeah yeah itwould be ayou know a 10 minute video it downloadslike all dayand then oh man i remember i wasdownloading some stuff probably off thesame websiteand it was just downloading for hoursand hours and hours and then my momwould go like i need to use the phoneand then then it cuts off noand then yeah and so and then likeyou know maybe half the video downloadedand you'd like try to watch it and likejust cuts off or it's like messed up orsomethingyeah man those were the days yeah yeahi mean i think it looks like a lot of uswere like latch key kids so it's notlike you had other stuff you justyou'd be at home and you had this newthing so you had time to waityeah but now everything's just so go gogo everything's so fasta lot of times i would just pressdownload and then go and yeahsomewhere or yeah or play video games orplay videosum uh soso you started out as a b-boy eventuallygot into kind of like choreo dancingand brandon and then kind of introducedyou to poppingpopping locking and i like all of itand i like once i the more they show methe more i'd go online like and youtubejust started out but people were postinglike justlike crazy or sometimes youtube's but ithink was it google was there at thetime rightlike early on it was google and like youcould look up umdance videos and different styles and itwas hard to find but when at that timewhen you're that into somethingyou put the time search through thereyou searched everything i'd be up atlike 4 00 a.mtrying to imitate freaking like movesfrom exhibits like dance videosoh yeah my mom would bust in the roomit's like what's all this thumping yeahwhat's this shit yeah what are you doingi'm just like oh sorry i'm like fullydressed upis like because i used to do the samething and i would you know watchwhateversome shit like late at night um myparents house is just a one-story housesoluckily i wasn't like jumping on theirthe roof to theirbedroom or whatever but i would like bemaking hell and noise and shitum and they would come yell at me and soinstead of like just going to bed ilearned how to likebreaks quieter and i didn'trealize this until somebody mentioned tome one day like that i break like aninja and i was like what the hell doyou even meanthey're like you're like so silent and iwas like that's what you want to dolike like that's like it wasn't thatcorrect me if i'm wrong isn't that likekind of the mentality from like even theog arrows just likesuper swift clean control you know howto touch the floor so you like becauselike you would get up and you still wantyour suit to look nice because like yeahthat'll always get down at the clubsthey didn't want to scuff their shoes orlike dirty up thereyeah definitely you wanted to come outlooking like a gangsteryeah straight up like and so yeah youhad to stepreally precisely and stuff so i don'tknow if it was necessarily to be quietbut it was more to likenot mess up your nice ass clothes i i iagree though i dothink you look you do move veryninja-esquei would use the term methodical likeyou know what i'm saying like it's likeit seems like everything's thoughtfulnot just like you know sometimes you seelike b boys who just learnyou know we'll say like dancers wholearn moves like i wouldn't class withmyself as a b-boyjust because um i didn't i never fullyprescribedto the to the culture and i don't knowif that's a disqualifier or anything butjust likeum when you watch likesome dancers learn tricks and they justkind of spew things out like you'redoing a button combination in mortalkombatyou just think it just works i just dothe thing and that's it it's like nothere's a form there's a wayto do it there's a certain control andfinesse about certain things and that'swhythat's what separates good dancers fromgreat dancers their understanding ofthoseof that yeah i feel like that's how istarteddancing is like learning very preciseand fundamental type ofbreaking and as i i kept doing thati think i got bored of it and was likeman and then i started likeyou know watching videos of likedifferent styles and i was like dudethis stuff is tightyeah how the hell can i make this looklike breakingso that no one's like you know saying ohyou're not breaking anymore or whateverso i i spent a lot of time like tryingto figure outthat like i was i remember i took um amodern dance class and that totallychanged my mentality actually becausemake senseno i can see that in you now yeahbecause theyinstead of certain moves they focused onlike formand you know looking a certain wayand so it kind of like took the veil offof doing moves andmore like doing something doing theshapeyeah and i was like like you're perswhat's that you're kind ofyou shift your perception in a way thatenables you to kind of act moreuninhib or dance more like uninhibitedlyyeah yeahexactly and so i started i started likeplaying around with that a lot and thenum if you remember lao he he was likegood atballet and stuff like that and he kindof showed me lao was so dope yeahnow he's got a kid he's still dope umbuthe's changing diapers now sohe was the nicest guy too i think thatwas the thing wait was he he was hesecond natureyeah he's second yeah yeah yeah yeahyeah yeah yeah i just haven't seen himin likeprobably he got down i think way afteryou got down though um yeah yeah andi think you had already moved to vegaswhen he got down actually i think that'swhy i think that's whymy my memory is fuzzy i just rememberhim being super dope and like definitelyit's just i think out of everyone insecond nature he had the thethe most b-boy build likeoh yeah he's just so much yeah like he'sthe closest we had to junioryeah his upper body was massive and thenhe had like my legs but shorter ohyou're talking about quaing actuallyno no no no no okay no quaint's probablyquaing does top that clang is hulkoh okay i guess like a little bit likethat yeahyeah you know like so like chai is likepretty proportionalyeah and quang is like super massive buthe's like buff everywhereand then lau was like likemonkey buff monkey buff yeah and hecould spin like crazy toonow they were they're all super dopethat's what made me and that's thereason thatkind of like i'm like okay well like ifi'm not like on that tipor if i'm not like at the level i don'tfeel rightyou know like calling myself a b-boybecause i didn'ti don't i didn't put the time in youknow thatlike and then like when you call it whenyou put those kind of titles on i feellike there's like an amount ofuh respect involved especially becauseour culture is very respect basedyeah you know it's like you don't youdon't want to just claim oh yeah youknow like because you know like being adancer that being a dancer an actorwhatever that's the thing that's a jobthat anyone could just say they areyeah you know you don't need aqualification you don't have to go toschool you can just say you are oneand no one can like assess your leveluntil you actually get downi don't want to be like oh yeah yeah i'ma b-boy i'll bei used to i remember you said like wheni was younger you hide behind thosenamesand like you know i had like made up abunch of names i thought were cooland then you kind of and it's likefocusing too much on the external versusthe actual just craft of b-boying yeahuh i would say that i used to thinkmore on that in terms of likebr b being a b-boy as like an exclusivetermbut i think i've shifted a little bit onthat becausenow i look at it as like if somebodywants to do itand say that they're it who am i to stopthemyou know what i mean it's uh it's thisis a thing that is open to anybody soif you want to dance and you want toroll around on the grounduh and call yourself a b-boy that'sb-boy to me becauselook at it like this like when it firststarted before theb-boy was even a term people were justdancinglistening to you know a djcut a break you know live and they werelike oh this is dope i'm gonna go danceand then someone said that's breakingbutwhatever the in their mind they weren'tlike saying anything else they're justtrying to dance and so i feel like ifyou'reif you're doing that you're a b-boyand so uh you know espec and especiallyif you want to call yourself a b-boylikego go for it i don't it doesn't matterto me it doesn'ti don't think it hurts it doesn't hurtthe termb-boy at all um in fact i think it makesit stronger if you got more peopleinterested in it and perspectives comingoutside of the traditional sense of theword b-boycoming in there and then redefining italmostand opening it up i guess to a widerrange i think that'sgood for breaking that's fair opinionthat's fairi think i was mainly just speaking formyselfjust because like i remember i gotchecked umreally early on about like being a poseroh yeah like when you're younger and ithink everyone has thatbut i think i just um yeah like afterwhen i inwhen that happened when i was youngeri'm just like you know like you really ithink i justfor myself just really want to make sureif i'm going to do something i want tobe as like authentic about it aspossible and ratherlike it's not like because i have somuch respect for likedancers who do these things at thevarying levels and i would hate todisrespect yeah i would hate to likedisrespect us in any way kind of likecheap in you know by like putting myrepresenting myself a certain way andthen have people like oh yeahwell b boys are like this and it's likeno it's notthey're not they're not i mean like ofcourse yeah like you said it's more it'sdefinitely the especially these day it'sa much more fluid term all of thesethings but i guess that's just somethingi took from when i was younger to belike you're like i'm not gonna sayi'm a popper i don't even i don't evenconsider myself like a lockerbecause um i do itbut i feel like the way i i think mydiscipline is not at to the level that alot of the people that i respect andlook up to ed but that's just that'sjust mei look at you as like a mixed martialartist in a way wherea mixed martial artist wouldn'tnecessarily say ido you know taekwondo or somethingthey maybe learned it and then took whatthey likedfrom it and put it into their own styleand then kind of like the bruce leementality it's the bruce mentality yeahexactlyuh just taking what you like from it andmaking whatever you want and thenyou're not really sticking to certaingenreeven of music too and you're just youknow i think a lot of times withbreaking isyou're kind of stuck with the music youget from acertain dj um but i know thatyou whenever you hear a dope song you'relike all right put it on theplaylist for you know dance musicum which which i do as wellbut i don't think all dancers do thatso um but yeah soin a way i think that you're kind oflike a mixed martial artist oh thanksman to dancingwhich which means then you have likekind of a unique style where you kind ofyou go between yeah between styles iguess is really the only way to say itis like you'll bestanding up you'll go down you'll dosome kind of breaking move come up do alocking like splitspop up do a wave i don't know yeah maybea window once in a whileoh bro yeah my my power has always kindof been uhfluctuating but yeah likethat's what i try that's i mean i trythat but i mean these days like have youseen the kids these days man they'rethey're crazy they're on some differentthey're on some different shit manthey're they've been i think a lot ofthemwere like little they were kids ofb boys that were really good and theyjust learnedbreaking when they were basically youknow born well yeahexactly it's just that ten thousandhours rule and they got like a massivehit they got ten thousand hours whenthey werelike five pretty much man because it'slike like what's cool is like whenand that's why they say like when youget them young the possibilities areendless because they have unlimited timeunlimited resources unlimited energyyeah andum you know especially if they can ifthey are if it's something they're superinterested in you know likeyeah like if you ever met if you everlike worked at like in child careyou see like a kid if you let them willjust play with blocks and carsfor 24 hours straight like they'll playit until they pass outbecause that's all they want to do andthat's great like when they have a focusso like when a kid's interested inb-boying they'll just do thatthe minute they have any spare timethey'll just do thatso that you got kids that are not even10 who are likesmoking you know fully grown seasonedcareer dancers me yeah me toome too like it's like all dairy actuallywhen you battle now because i'm likeoh i gotta go against a little kid butback in the day it's like oh i can takethis kid and now i'm like oh dude idon't knowi've never seen this kid before he mightbe crazy good and like just destroyme but they also get like that hypeamplet like you know like it's likeif like the crowd is like a scorethey're like the hypethey get like a double double damageamplifier because they'rekids equal this kid is gonna beat me forsure if he does a goodaround just as good as me dude he'sgonna win yeah he's gonna winso then you have to throw all your bestrounds at this kid you gotta likedouble stamina yeah you have to smashthis kidand you and it's also bad because thenif you smash this kid then you look meanfor smashing a kid yeah especially ifyou likeburn them or do anything anything likedirectly at the kit apart from dance youjump over the kid you make fun of himfor being smalleveryone's like oh man come on it's likedude i want to winyeah dude i i made this joke with abunch of my friends actually is likebattling andbecause they'll ask me like why i don'tbattle too often i'm like dudeif you really think about it i'll if igo to the jam i'm going to be one of theoldest people thereand i'm gonna be battling kidsalmost half my age all day all day andthen uh say i beat themnow i look like i'm picking on kids saythey beat me now i'm getting beat bylittle kids like you can't winwell yeah you're like you say you in thegym you got the trophy likei beat a bunch of kids like that's whatthat trophy should be engraved withbut no it's a different time now becauselikeso like on that same tip a kid and ithink that's what it's a cool a goodthing is that like any art formespecially like dance is that you knowit's likeyou know ballet came out and then whenmusic changed the newnew art forms respond and theneventually got to hip-hopbut there was only a finite amount eachdance style only has a finite amount ofmovesand over time the next generationlearned all of that at likeage five to ten so then as they getolder they putthey have combined those things andevolve those things and it's likeexponential growth of the artsso now you've got you know byou've got all styles dancers who can beboy competentlypop block combine it all together beforethey're even20. it's nuts and likeso like you're just anything anytime yougo up against anyone it's like you don'tknow what you're gettingunless you're super familiar with thatlocal scene but internationallyman like if you go like internationalbalance you don't know what you're gonnaget manit's it's it's really awesome it'sreally awesome yeahit's like it's a really good time fordance especially b-boying yeah i thinkall dance really because it's justbecoming more popular more people aregettinginterested in it and uh i thinki think what's great is that a lot ofthe styles are so interconnected nowwhere where in the sense that you go tolike a breaking jamlike say freestyle session or somethingthey'll have a poppingcompetition or a locking competition orwhatever all stylesalso yeah and all styles competition soyou would go therefor the breaking and then you getintroduced to all this other stuff andthen maybe that stuff resonates with youmore and then you start doing thatyeah so i think that's that's reallycool and then you're also seeing it ontv more inmovies and um now finally the olympicsand then yeah now breaking is going intothe 2024 olympicswhich we think about it's actually kindof cool because whatum how old is b-boying now uh let's seeit was started probably mid70s i i know that there's varying umyeah people's opinions on that but umlet's just say probably mid 70smid 70s sothat's like about 50 almost 15. likealmost 50 years probablyso it's actually damn dude that's kindof crazy becauseit's such a young danceand we've been in it forat least for myself i've been breakingfor at least 1819 years probably so that's likea third of the time it's been aroundthat's kind of insaneit is yeah when you think about it andnow and thenthe olympics now changes the whole gamebecause the minute you makeyou put something in as a sport withquantifiable scoresyeah and the mentality the focus is onthings and then you wonder like are theygoing to have different kinds ofbreaking events like obviously right nowit's just 2v2um co-ed teams which is dope yeah yeahwhich is dopes because like you knowthere areso many amazing uh b girls out thereand prior to recent years there wasn'talways likeyou know the climate wasn't always greatfor them yeah and i feel like now it'slike this is this is a great way toequalize itand now but on top of that it's just nowthat umany olympian can now you know b-boys canfinally kind of reach that umcareer standard that other that otherathletescan with you know getting brand dealslike you could actually retirea gold medalist b-boy like that soundsfreaking cool yeah that's like prettyinsane andi think the athleticism has always beenthere in brazilbut it just wasn't respected askind of anything really just like oh sosome dudes rolling around on thecardboard or whatever so now it'sgetting at least some recognition aslike a legit thing ii actually look at it a lot like howskateboarding and mixed martial artsused to bewhere it's considered backgroundtomfoolery yeah exactly it's just likesome bullshit you were doinguh to waste your time at leastskateboarding wasum and uh then some brilliant peoplewere like let's makeuh the x games and then kind ofyou know i don't know there was probablya lot of discussion about how to likejudge itthat went along and i know they have alot of different events in itbut eventually when they figured allthat stuff out dude the sport blew thehell up and now there's like video gamesandmovies and stuff and you got like legitcelebritiesuh celebrity uh uh athletesyeah like like tony hawk dude set forlifeseriously yeah and he's not even likeolympiawait do they have i'm sorry if this is adumb question isany are any extreme sports in theolympicsi don't know i don't think like rockclimbing that should be in olympicsoh yeah have you seen speed climbingthere crazydude it's crazy and the amount of yeahbecause they're they're reaching withtheir leg and their arm at the same timethey're literally spidermanbut um that's some insane stuff yeahthere's a lot of stuff that reallyshouldget and there's respect as like anolympicuh sport there should be things thatthey should take outas well like that canadian thing withthe rock and the broomsyeah it's uh yeah it's is it was itolympic level uh cleaning your houseyeah yeahi don't know it's just they call itcurling she really changed the name tolikefriction ball or friction ball yeahi mean i don't really care that it's asport iit's it's um it's not something i wouldreally watchbut i got respect for people i mean youknow there's an audience for everythingyeah it doesn't hurt me that it's inthere i guess i guess if it came down toyou gotta pick only one out of all thatthere's like a lot ofthere's a lot of things that probablyshould be in the olympics before thatone butum because i think wait isn't there likea look man we're really showing how muchwedon't know about theology i don't knowshit about shiti was like is there olympic chess idon't knowthat's interesting would they do thatbecause people there's people watchchess yeah no it's a big thing it'samazinglike go like the asian game gothere's hell of people watch that uhit's kind of like a chess butdifferent way harder oh okay i don'tknow i don't know much about it eitherbuti know that it's huge in asia what i'mthinkingwhat i think would be cool is like saylike 50 years from nowwhen like they'll start being likee-sportsdude or like you know what i'm sayinglike vr sportsin the olympics maybe oh you know zero gsportswhat would be interesting is if they hadlike vruh like boxing matches umwhere yeah that'd be really interestingi don't know likebecause like yeah because fighting isbased is like based on like weightdivisionsso how do you well and also it'sthere's like a lot of danger in likegetting punched in the face all the timeso there's all thisworry about concussions and like thelong-term effects of that and so it'slikeif you had a vr thing you can use yourskillin boxing but like without any of thedanger without the danger andand obviously i think to be a good boxeryou'd stillyou it'd still take tons of athleticismbut yeah you're not gettingpunched in the face it's kind of likethe vr is just reading that you gotpunched in the fieldlike you're down yeah but then i guessthere's i guess it becomes weird becauseyeah you don't have the chance to likeget back up like a regular boxer wouldyou know they got the 10 seconds tostand up or whateveroh yeah it'd be a different sport it'dbe like it would have vr punchpunch each other put vr punch out yeahthat's what it would bepunchy punch man punch punch yeah likeit would have to umthey would have to get like the graphicswould be really good to likefor people because i think a lot of itthese days it's like they have to theywant to put sports in thatpeople there's an audience like peoplereally want to watch yeahyou know so like which i think is whyoh yeah that's why i think breaking willbe great in the olympics becauseit's just fun to watch even if you don'tknow shit about it it's just like dudeyou everybody everyone can key into thathypethey all like understand rhythm a littlebitto be able to like recognize that guy'sgot rhythm that guyhit that blow up some crazy move yeah imean it'sin a way like breaking has always beenlike umlike a a spectator sport in a waybecausethe thing i always mention to peopleaboutjudging breaking it because i alwaysmake the argument that you can't reallyjudge breaking because it's really anart form butthe only argument i can make for judgingis that when you were battling like wayback in the day before there was anykind of competitionyou were trying to like clown the guyyou're against rightand the way you do that is to get thecrowd to likecheer for you and when you like dosomething to them they're like aha hegot it and you knowand he can't do anything back to it umso in a way thethe crowd was always judging it anywaysand soum i think that's why i make theargument too thatit's a spectator sport really if whenyou when you bring the competitionaspect into itit really is a spectator sport um soyeah i think the the only issue ornothingwell one of the issues they'll comeacross just in terms of implementing inthe olympics it's justjust the the the judging system yeahhousehow will they do that in a way that likemakes sense and like i thinkand it depends on if they like ifthey'll come up with their own system orjust respect thethree judge point system or well theycome up with their own thing because ifeel likeout of all the sports in olympics it'sprobably the closestin to like gymnastics so then i wonderif yeahonce that once b-boying becomes moreestablishedin the battle sense will there be otherthings because like gymnastics has itsown like i don't know however many daysor whatever but it's likeyou know the pummel horse is just justone thing you can beyou spend your whole life just trying tobe the best of the pommel horse and it'slike yo that's just that's just flaresit's just so it's likeyeah will there be like a flarecompetition head spinsand then there'll be b-boys kind of likein like those like crazy japan crewswhere it's like you got therejust you have your your hybrids and thenyou have yourspecialist that one guy he doesn't domuch he just does head spins he can doit for yearsyou know that kind of stuff that wouldbe cool and then you would have likethen you could have like the style andcreativity battles where it's more aboutmore about that yeah i've had thisconversation with a lot of people on thepodcast actuallyuh because ii'm i'm a firm believer that it's reallyhard tojudge breaking because it's essentiallyan art form andi like to make the comparison topaintinghow do you judge this painting versusthat painting there's a lot of thingsyou can dolike color composition brush strokeswhatever you know detail all thesedifferent thingsbut ultimately when you go i like thatone more than that oneyeah you're just taking all thoseaspects and sayingthis one matches the stuff that i likethe most versus that oneso it's it's very much a subjectiveuh decision between those twoart pieces so in a way breaking is thesame thing it's likethere's so many aspects to breakingthere's musicality there's dynamicsthere'sum you know flow all these differentthings umand you're all you're everyone's gonnahave their own opinion about what theylikethe most and so when you're judgingbetween these two guys given that theydidn't crash or anything or break theirfaceuh you're gonna go okay this guy yourface and it not be a crashuh i mean i don't know tiny timfor people who don't know tiny tim is ab-boy shout out to tiny tim what upteddy today he jumps on his face anddoes all sorts of crazy stuff and it'slikethat's a thing he's got no nerves in hisbody he must not because he justdrops on himself you'll do it it's dopethis is not a clown this is a this is aboost because he'sliterally yeah clueless like he'll justjust throw him over a car he's finehe's uh um he should get into stunt workhonestly you know those you know thoselittle clown dolls thatlike you can't knock them over oh yeahthe little punches the punching onesdude he's one of those like you throwthose and it's just likeyeah and he lands on his feet you'relike oh okay how about that[Laughter]he's one of those oh anyway shout out totiny timum but yeah so but yeah when you'rejudging between thosetwo guys ultimately you're gonna go toyouroverall opinion about it souh when you're going to the olympics nowyou really need to have someyou need to be able to quantify that isthe ultimate goaland so i haven't figured out a good wayto do thati know there's a couple guys that havetried to do it likedizzy like the house system and the yeahi think it's team systemyeah that's dizzy's yeah that's dizzy'ssystem are those two different onesam i talking about the same thing prettysure it's the same thing okay it's theone where there's like what's the otherfive categoriesyeah but yeah and there's one judge foreach yeah but what's the other systemthen the bc one system because that'sstill just three judge in itthere's three yeah there's the typicalone is three judges andat the end of a set amount of roundsthey point to whoever wonand usually what they do is they judgedit round for round soround one maybe b boy a took itround two b boy b took it go on for thatand then whoeverhad the most rounds that they won uhgets to win that battleum that's the typical thing i've seenand i guess determining who won eachround usually comes down to who floppedon such a high level yeah it's usuallyalways kind of like thisuntil someone does something to standout or to fall offyeah so like they either you know hitsome like crazy comboand then the other guy just doesn't meetthat yeah or butyeah every time i talk to anybody aboutthis i always say that thethe only uh universal quantifiableum criteria we have andreally dancing is a crash is you can golike that crash looked a lot worse thanthat crashor that guy crashed and that guy didn'tthat's that's boomthat's the other thing with bboy ialways give props to b-boys fourbecause uh b-boying is hands downthe most um athletic and physicallytaxingof the uh of the styles that you candancei mean like in the battle scene untilthey start doing parkour to music[Laughter]they just put boxes just in just like amassive like 10 square meterspace and it's just like hey that's coollike have you seen competitive tagdude that shit is crazy so dope oh mygod that's likethat's like that that's how you wouldmove on man and see that shit should bea sportan olympic sport i like yeah it actuallywould be a lot easier to judgetoo because it's just like how many tagsyou just yeah it's justwho can get tagged or like how long ittook to get tagged or whateverand you just make the rules on like howyou can actually interact with all thethings on there and like what it meansif you go out of bounds or whatever yeahor likethat's really all criteria like you haveto touch certain things while you do itor somethingwe're right back to people yeah we'rebri i think we're brbreaking has a lot of difficulty is thethe artistic aspect of it is like how doyou quantifyany of that and it's really freakinghard and so that's whyum so and so i thinkthat's where it being similar togymnastics kind of breaks down becausea lot of gymnastics i mean they i thinkgymnastswhen they do like floor routines they doget some kind of creativityscore um it's like it's like one judgeis assigned to thati don't know how it works honestly andthat might not even be a thing i mightjust be making it up that's just what iheard but um buti know that what they do is they submittheir routineso that all the judges know what's gonnahappen oh so they have like a comparisonso well because then they go okaythey're gonna do this specificflip at this moment so then they knowwhat that's supposed to look like andwhat a perfectexecution of that looks like and so whenthey do that they cando a deduction if they like had to stepout when they landed okay okaybut you can't do that for breakingbecause there's no routine you're goingto submit before it's all like off thetop of your head yeahand i mean you don't even know what kindof music is going to be playing honestlythat's probably i mean the biggest thebiggest difference betweenum how b-boying goes in the olympicextension unless they force it that wayi don't know how it's because that's thething is we don't know how it's going togo down i forced iti think it'll be weird but yeah i'm notagainst that butlike if like say if that's like likeshowcase yeahyou know if they have you do show likeyou know and then people start you knowbasically submitting choreography itwould be boy choreographyyeah yeah so if they did thati don't think that that's a bad thingit'll bevery different from what everybody isused to though in the sceneum i guess you know what like i'll takethat back becausebattle of the year had their like showsin a way it'd be doing what battle ofthe year was doing minus thebattles but i guess somehow they wouldbe integrating battles into that maybe idon't know yeahwell i mean that's what i'm saying ikind of feel likemaybe showcase versus showcase yeah orlike that's what i'm saying like i thinkright now they're starting with battlesbecause that's just the most the easiestmost palatable way to put it out therebut thenonce it becomes more established thenyou want to see it well because it'sjust you know also like you know moneytalk so it's likethe more um more hype around watchingb-boying if itand if it actually goes offinternationally well let's create moreevents that more people can come watchand then you'll have more obscure and umdifferent events but for now it's justthe battling andhow they decide to push that but i thinkregardless how they do it it'sdefinitelygoing to change um the culture movingforwardand whether or not it's going to splitit and because like it's already likeyou can already kind of say there'sdifferent kinds of people like you gotshowboyse-boys b-boys you know and you you knowthis is kind of already differentbreeds yeah whereas now and then you'llhave the olympic b-boy for sayversus like you know say a cipher b boyor a you know abattle b-boy like people that just theyhave their focus where theymost excel at yeah but still all part ofthe greaterb-boy community it's kind of like streetskating versus vert skating in a waythere you go yeah exactly you know likei i you live on the half pipeor you prefer like you know going justout on the street you can justskate on anything like rails or whateveryeahum so going back to judging actuallythe other thing that i try to compare itto is like combat sportsbecause in a way a battle is a fightbetweentwo groups or two people rightand you're oh we're at 45 minutes ish wecan probably wrap up pretty soonall good yeah um what was i saying uhyeah similar to combat sport becauseyeah you got two guyskind of reacting to music you know youknow in a way that's like fightingit's just the circumstance that you'rein you're someone's not throwingattacks at you they the dj is throwingmusicat you and and yeah and then the otherguy's throwing like certain moves andstuff and so you're responding to allthat stuff you're listeningyou're focused on the music you'refocused on what this guy just didsomehow you're going to answer what hejust didum in your own way and then he's goingto come back and answer you too so it'skind of liketurn-based combat yeah sort of i meankind of ii definitely think mix mixed martialarts is a goodum analogy for the battleyeah but i guess it's like kind of likethe the music is more of like thelandscape that you have to navigateyeah it's like because it's likedifferent rings makes different itchanges it's a pokemon battleyeah yeah so if you're at a gym and yeahthey playlike electro no this is electricelectric style electric style music soelectric yeah you need to hit thiselectric pokemon movesto take out the other guy dude that'swhat it is yeahmy 2000s are super effective to hisweak cc's yeah that's a terrible ccga[Laughter]rock type b boy would probably be likewhat do you call them umlike all suicide drops oh yeahuh let's be like ground type rock typewould probably be kind of likewhat junior does junior would be a rockpaper scissors yeah he is like geo dudehe's in geo too yesthat's what's up oh yeah and then likewhen and then like all the spinninglike like a lot of like power is likethat's like wind oryour boy pocket is a fighting pokemonyeah and then and then firefire b boys just just the burnswater type would be like like a flowstyleyeah yeah yeah you'd i think you'd belike waters oh i'd be a water typeyou're like water type i'm likei'd be like electric type because i'mjust superbecause i'm all about just high energyvince would be electric type i thinkyeah he would yeahhe would he'd be like the next evolutionup though i'm likei'd be like oh you'd be a pikachu andyou'd be a raichuyeah that's what i reckon in theb-boying worldactually pikachu is a lot cooler thanraichu cooler maybehe's a detective a raichu will smoke apikachu every timeyeah except on the cartoon which doesn'tfollow its own ruleshe's cuter yeah and he's a detective andhe's a detectivehe's got the voices like ryan reynoldsso yeah watch that's the inner light[Laughter]dude that's what's up pokemon umwhat was i saying so combat sports ithink is somewhat similar butthe difference between combat sports andbraking again is like combat sports youcan get points for likeconnecting certain uh punches orwhatever strikesor a certain takedown or a submission orwhateverbut there's nothing that reallythere's nothing that's similar inbreaking i guess so i've always had i'vehad the issue of how do youhow do you reconcile that in the interms of judging andi've come to and let me know what youthink about this is i've come to theto the uh to the realization thati think the fairest way to judge thisis to just have a crap ton of judgeslet's say 10 or morejudge this they're all you know justguys that across the spectrum of bexactly young yeah yeah exactly i meantheyobviously have to be knowledgeable aboutthe scene like you got to vet themproperly and make sure thatlike i mean they'd probably have to havelike a years of experiencetype of thing and then a year or yearsno yearslike you know multiple years ofexperience in it like well-knownuh from different areashey dudes yeah which i mean i guessthat's a debate too of like whatconstitutes you know a good uhsomeone who fits into that category andwho doesn't but like i would sayif you can get 10 or more people likethat and you just sit them in a circlelike that's your crowd around thisbattle that's a cool idea and thenjust let the battle happen and they justhold up like the colorside that they i mean they justessentially they can judge the waythey'vealways judges point to the who theythink wins butyeah but i think what what's good aboutthat is you rule out a little bitof the specific like crew you knowpersonal biasit's like because maybe it's just threethree it's easy to still have some biasbut if you've got tenbecause if if one judge in the numberthree saysuh like i really like this guy over thatguy and i'm always gonna vote for himthat's a thirdof the judging power is always gonnavote for that so i sayyou just need to get why judges so thatthat guy gets beat out because he'sobviously judging incorrectly becausethen it lessens the value of his biasyeah and so now it's like maybe he'svoting always forb-boy a and then you got like sevenother guys that are voting for b-boyb it's probably more likely that b-boy bwon than b-boy a becausethe majority was on that side so i thinkthat's probably the fairest way to do itand then you just gotta paygood attention to who's who you'reputting in the pool of judges and maybeyou want to do even more than 10maybe 20 like who knows yeah but i wouldsaysomehow doing the majority rule thingin a way it stays somewhat true tobreaking becausebreaking started as kind of like like iwas saying before like a spectator sportit was um uh crowds were judging in thefirst place so now you have just thisreally knowledgeable crowdtrue right and they're judging and uhthe biased people kind of get outvotedor they fall in line with therest of the majority and everyone elsethought that that guy actually won itstraight i think that's probably thefairest way to do it i don't knowum i don't know if that's how it wouldbe implemented buti know that that way is still going tobreak downas soon as somebody who doesn't knowanything about breaking comes in and saywell why did that guy win over them andthen they gooh well uh that's what and then that'slike when you need to have like goodcommentators that cankind of explain it because that's sothat's every other sportyou have commentators that know whatthey're talking about and then when theaudience watches they ohokay yeah cause like if i come in i comein like i don't sportsi don't do sports but when i watch iknow the commentator will help makesense ofokay well they're winning because so andso can't kick or somethingyou know yeah yeah yeah i would say sobuteven sometimes though likecommentators will get it wrong i mean idon't know how often it isthat i see a battle that i judge one wayand it went the other wayand i don't know if that's because i'mbad at judging or you get like finerfine-tuned your sense of who won i thinkinto so many yeah i mean all i can sayis that it comes down tomy bias so uh umyeah soyeah i know that there's there's athere's a bigthere's a big uh thing that the wholecommittee ofolympics is going to have to like getoverto to have breaking really be uhi guess a respectable sport umand and it's judging is that big humpthat they need to get overand but i think yeah in time it's justanything in time there will be growingpainsbut i mean like it's been it's been 50years and50 years coming you know like yeah andit's there nowit's not you know unless someone messesup real badi don't think it's going anywhere likeyeah it's i i reckon it's here to staythis is the timeit's their it's their time yeah the onlything some of uswere talking about before um in adifferent showuh was um the thing that we thoughtwould mess it upis like drug use yeah in breakingbecause likethere's so many people that use a lot ofdrugs and so like oh like like likeperformance enhancing drugs or just weedit's well mostly it's weed but i knowlike people do a lot of stuff so i don'tknowit's not performing i don't know yeah idon't really know the people that dosteroids or anythingbut i don't know what the rules are inthe olympicswell once you get to olympics there'sjust no drugs right yeah right that'swhat i thought it's like you can't haveityou got to be clean yeah exactly youhave to come in at like and sojust what you just what you're innatelygiven i wouldi mean if the if you literally can't doanything you can haveyou can have coffee energy drinks so i iwould say if they were able to throw outweed you'd probably get a good amount ofb-boys excluded if ifif they test for weed dude thescene the scene is going to have a veryhard time i mean i don'ti don't smoke weed or anything but iknow that there's a lot of b-boys thatdo andi mean like i'm sure there's heaps ofolympians that smoke weed too just noton the day of uhof you know i mean like you know have togo cold turkey for likemonths though like before they go iwould imagine right i mean but like youknow but i meanthey allow i mean maybe it's a thingthat will eventually catch on becausenow that you know america has legalizedmarijuananow that they use a lot of a lot of yeaha lot of countries and that's fine andlike no one has a problem withathletes smoking cigarettes whichactually kill you so likeyeah i see i don't know it i mean yeahit's it's it really comes down to whatthe olympic committee thinks about itbecausewhich is a worldwide thing and so youknow definitelyin some countries um it's beencompletely legalizedin america it's like kind of halfwaythere yeahum uh but i know in other countries it'slikego to jail forever sometimes um so idon't knowi don't know how that feeds intoolympics but i i would say that'sprobably the one big thing that'll effit upif anything i mean yeah and when you sayit does seemlike it could be a risk it just dependson uhi mean really you can't really know howit's going to turn out because there'sso many variablesyeah um there'syeah there's so many different ways buti'm in i'm excited to seewhat happens with the olympics and umyou knowuh i think a lot of b-boys are and ithink it's a good thing for the scene100 yeah so yeah excited to see how itgoes yeah and my and my mainargument for that is that it's going tointroduce so many different peopleto it that exactly didn't know it evenexistedand that there was this kind ofcompetitive thing out there and so umum with that i think we could probablystart wrapping this show upum i think that was a pretty gooddiscussionum is there anything you want to closewith is there any like shout outs oruh uh shout out touh jabbawockeez in las vegasdope show i just saw them the other dayand it was likeit's really good to catch up it was agood yeah really good show check thatoutshout out to swagger mama crew inbrisbane australiai don't know if any of you will everhear this but it's uh if you dono please please listen oh god[Laughter]uh second nature crew of course oguh press play i mean yeah i think thoseare thethose are the main war for me and yeahand justthanks for having me on man it's goodcatching up as always yepyeah and we're out here in america foryour visityour yearly visit and so umanyways with that we can wrap up rightnowyou got any like final uh plugyou want to do what's your instagram ahnah nah don't worry about my screen fuckyour instagramall right all right see you guys thanksfor listening bye[Music][Music][Music][Music]you 

Khoa, a chemist by day and a bboy by night, discusses his approach to creativity and learning, and how hip hop has shaped his life. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by tardiness ring ringring hey is that your alarm are yousupposed to be somewhere right nowoh you're too cool to be on time becauseyou have a hundred followers on socialmedia okaysorry carry on those of you that do havesomewhere to be but decide to stillexercise tardiness despite not having alegitimate excuse I'm here to say headover to your local shopping departmentand head to the time telling devicesection of the wide selection of 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crow no virus not corona virusalthough this guy might have that aswell but chrono as in time he's got atardiness problem but anyways yet todayI have a special guest he is my friendqua the chemist or he used to go byquality but he was a biter so he changedhis name he is a b-boy he is a actualchemist and he's also a douchebag howare you doing my friend what's upnothing much again my apologies forbeing late today very very cleverimpromptu fake ad as well so what's updude you've been living out here for aminute right so we're out here in LAyou've been out here since college rightcuz you went to UC Irvine oh yeah that'sright you studied chemistry out here orsomething right mmm that's right so yeahI studied um first I studied biologythat I realized I hate memorizing shitso I decided to get into chemistrybecause I thought organic chemistry wasactually surprisingly interesting andkind of fun to do at that time which iscontradictory to what everybody aroundme was saying everyone used to say likeman fuck okay that shit sucks dickthat's the reason why I don't even wantto do chemistry anymoreso but then I was against the green Isuppose in this case so I wouldthat chemistry and then after Igraduated I found a job in the area andwas testing out food oh that's rightyeah you were like a food tester yeah ohman so it was you who is putting allthat freaking coronavirus in the food orwhatever they don't mean a thing I don'tknow I'm just making sure though oh no Iput it in the Modelo virus virus thatPBR viruswell dope dude so yeah so you are achemist and you are also a b-boy so youmoved out here and you've been a b-boysince high school right I think I metyou man what were you probably like afreshman or something so or maybe that'scorrect we met during high school Iofficially started back in middle schoolI I just saw my friend at the Buddhisttemplate I go to every Saturday and mmmhe was one of the I don't know you everheard of Turtle Wax crew back then andSacramento hurdle wax crew I don't knowyeah it's like they I mean that justsounds like someone's racing cars thatnight turtle wax is the stuff that makesyour car real shiny that's right yeah sothat was like his crew back then whatI'll call it rice rocket I went out hedrove a rice rocket back then chewedyeah and it was probably busted too itwas like one of those you know one ofthose messed up like CR X's with like anice body kit but it doesn't matcheverything else is like like the colorof the car is different than the colorof the eye of the body kit oh yeahthat's definitely player those back inthe back in those days did you have arice rocket oh no I couldn't even affordone okay all I had back then was just anice reliable Camrya silver cat we solid color all aroundso okay so okay soand so you've been breaking since middleschool in that I guess for reference youare how old you're almost thirty rightalmost 30 so I'm 29 right now so it's abit about living over 16 years since Istarted breaking it's a long time it'sit's it's so weird to me because likewe're like I mean maybe it's justgetting old I guess in this scenebecause like I remember being the youngperson in the scene and now I'm likelegitimately the old person in the sceneand I'm like oh crap dude what the heckit's kind of weird to just to look atthat cuz you go to like a an event orwhatever a breaking event and you seeyou know 12 year olds and stuff 13 14 1516 all the way up to like 20 year oldsand I'm like dang dude I'm 10 yearsolder than all of you guys so I guess itget it just goes to show you that thisis such a young a young dance a youngculture but you know as we're allgetting older and it's getting morepopular I think we're gonna see more oldpeople older people in the scene soanyways so like what got you intohip-hop cuz you you are from the samecity that I'm from which is Carmichaelmm-hmmin Sacramento which is not necessarilyknown for its hip-hop it's a richhip-hop culture it's not known for itsrich like urban scene it's not knownlike it's known for some cows some oldpeopleand that's probably it I don't know whatelse is it's got a good school districtI guess yeah we definitely do have someof that but yeah so what would what gotyou into to HIPAA I mean I guess yeahyou said you're in the Buddhist templeyou saw someone breaking but is thatwhat hooked you into and then how didyou go back home and then figure out howto do this oh yeah so after I saw myfriend doing like a couple of flares anddude even doing a 90 on concrete and Ishouldn't was hella cool so I want tolearn how to do that so the onlyresource I had back then was I went onto my 56k dial-up internet and I waslooking for b-boy tutorials onlinemm-hmmand I notice always talk to people whichis like kind of frowning apart likelooking at people looking at a b-boytutorials however I was like the onlyresource I had at the time so I justread into these message sports and whateveryone probably knew as b-boy got hardback in the days so that's how I firstgot started and I just startedpracticing flares and windmills in myliving room what some really shittycarpet where you get carpet burns andyou have a big living room so it's likeyou got some room for sure it'sdefinitely like enough space to I getsome breaking in I know your your housewas like freakin big at least that onebig entryway is like really big is thatwhere you did itum that's what I did in my later yearsbut in the beginning actually ya know Ithink by the living room was so prettybig yeah well cause like I'm justcomparing it to my parents living roomand like there wasn't much because itwas more long than it was like yours iswide in all directions my parents waslike shorter in one direction so theyhave the couch there and so I give youtried windmills you definitely kickedthe couch but I know yours I don't thinkyou would hit anythingyeah no you had big room yeah I don'tknow yeah there's definitely my plentyof space in the living room but when Iwas like a super newbie back then Iwould I wanted to try learnon a smooth floor so I had this reallysmall like tile section between theentryway door and the living room so Iwould say it's like maybe just a 5 feetby like I don't know 10 feet rectangleof tile saw we just tried to win thoselove that mmm so that's why I firststarted learning uh windows and that'swhat got me even more into it so it'slike I realized oh I can do this shitmaybe I could try learn some other movesokay and so then 16 years later you'restill into it you work in full time inyour chemistry thing or what what isactually your exact job title so I wentthrough a series of different careerchanges so I work over three years ithas a food chemist and then I realizedthis doesn't pay very well I need tolook for a new job okay but you knowbeing like 2425 a time I don't know whatto fucking do I don't have a strongpassion in this career to be a broke boyyes exactly I would be a broke boy if Ididn't work so all I care about wasalright how do I get more money and Ididn't know what to do at the time so Ijust went on a job board so that's Ilook for anything relevant to my skillsso I found this one small company Ilooked for a chemist it said chemiststhis much salary and assistant projectmanager I was like what the hell is aproject manager sounds pretty cool okayso you manage projects and I guess likein the industry what is the industryexactly because it's not food anymoreright so right now I I work for abiotech company diode that makes mediafor you to develop vaccines or they alsomake stuff to freeze your eggs or makeyour sperm swim faster so I work forthat kind of company right now and I domore of the project management stuff nowrather than the laboratory work wait sothat just made me think of a sperm bankthe is there do you have like a sectionof the building you are kidding that's asperm bank that's like you got dudescoming in they're like hey hey hey guesswhat I got you know that's a goodquestion I don't know we have like areservoir of like semen in thelaboratory or something to put them torun their tests I wouldn't doubt itthat's hella funny okay so you're overthere mix and freaking people's semenall day that's what's upb-boy so you're mixing semen by day anddoing windmills by night that's what'supthat's hella tight' but so okay so whatgot you into chemistry though so becauseyou you were into breaking first and allof a sudden you wanted to get intochemistry and I don't know was that wasthat something you were alwaysinterested in you know as much as I wantto provide like what do you what I calla LinkedIn response which is like a veryoptimistic professional soundingresponse about to be like very genuineand learn about it I have to say I justwanna look for something that will makeme money in the future and chemistryjust seemed like something about morefeasible where hey I can do this shit Ican't say I love it but it's interestingenough for me to keep going with it asat that time like I wasn't sure what toreally do because I grew up in a familywhere as we know like a lot of Asianfamilies especially with Vietnamesefamilies we have a kinda like a I guessa pre-arranged kind of life stage oflife stages where okay you're gonna goto school study biology you're gonnabecome either a pharmacist or a doctoror an ale person nail painter yeah whatis their timeOh nail salon specialist you know salonspecialist is that in your career pathat all I'm not I was like trying to findmy mom so I wouldn't consider it likeyou know no no I'm gonna get into thatyou go mixed semen instead now now Imanage key for the mixed semen no cakesand shit like that's the soap so you'relike hey all you Pezover here you mix my semen for me andthey're like oh yes siryes project manager especially is heylet's get this shit done on time ah I'mabout to get some corporate shaking frommy bossoh yeah he's gonna throw his semen atyou you're not doing your job o'clockhere's my semen now wipe it up and gogive it to your peons oh no I'm justtrying to do my job mandamn dude all right that's tight but Iguess kind of going back to like when Iwas like 18 or younger stages so I nevergot to exercise a lot of my owndecision-making back then so I was justrelying upon the whole okay I'm justgonna follow this preset life stagessystem because there's like guaranteesecurity and money and I realize when Iwas showering for a pharmacist so I it'skind of boring it's kind of a link Imean I'm not gonna knock on that kind ofjob because that makes hella money and Irespect people that go through the wholepharmacy school and go through all drugdealers oh yeah exactly yeah you don'twant to go the drug dealer path that'swhat's up um so the reason I was I'masking about chemistry and stuff andbreaking is because I know that you'veall you grew up in like a situationwhere there was like you were kind ofguided towards a certain path but Ithink breaking most people that get intobreaking are like kind of going againstthe grain usually so I'm curious ifthere was like if any like pushback fromyour parents to not break oh all thetime I remember like when I was in highschool I would try to session at home inthe living room and the living room dayyou saw before and I remember my stepdadwould always tell me to stop doing Jeffthe gymnastics as he would college[Laughter][Music]yeah just what this purpose I guess wecould just use that voice yeah and therewas your mom's voice like oh that'ssupervening me I can't even do thataccent ah she would just tell me likejust just focus on my studies enough badboy kick I give you spanking like thatno your mom's only nice I like her yeahbut um yeah I just never my parents justdidn't support it cuz um my stepdadwould hear me like flopping everyone youhear a lot of thud or he walks out ofhis office and he's just like tappingthe ground like dude you flop bro you'reonly ten but your abiders - yeah hewould basically be doing this so Ididn't really get like a whole lot ofsupport earlier on but I like doing itbecause I thought it was cool so I justkept on doing it and then eventually Iforgot how the story went but I guess myfault my mom finally recognized that heycarla has some dope shit and now insteadlike discouraging me she's not braggingto all her friends about me that's rightso she eventually turned around and Iwas like alright all this rolling on theground is is kind of cool but go be apharmacist but you can roll around onthe ground afterwardsI guess callaghan unspoken compromisebecause she saw that oh hey quadgraduated from college and he did prettywell he got a jobI mean he's still breaking so I guessshe saw some nitrous you can see thatthe breaking didn't really kill my Iguess career path from her eyes youwouldn't call her that yeah yeah and sheprobably also recognized that it's likesomething that you love doing and thatit you know it is a creative outlet toyou and that has a lot of benefitI mean that I think I'm comparing it toto my parents who my mom is an artist mydad is a general contractor and Mikecarpenter furniture makers well heactually made this table so they're bothlike creatives and so they were alwaysyou know looking at breaking as I meanthey would say oh don't break your neckdon't you know crash too hard orwhatever but they always looked at it aslike a good thing because it was like acreative outlet to me and my brother andso they were pretty supportive of itother than don't break your neck don'tdo them head spins but everything elsethey're like yeah that's cool so Iimagine maybe your mom started seeingthat as wellyou know because chemist chemistry andbreaking it seems like such differentthings to me and that's I think why it'sso fascinating to me that the this isthis is your reality is that you havethis very like technical skill set andthen this very creative skill set andI'm very curious about like how those tocoincide could collide with each otherdo you see any kind of overlap with itin terms of like maybe mentality oranything I mean I imagine there's a lotof creativity in the work that you dobut it's just not so apparent to someonewho's stupid like me you wouldn't see ityou know I don't know shit aboutchemistry I got an A in chemistry warmactually I set the curve in that classyeah that's really impressive and onlife you look for people below the curveyeah no I was like uh I'm a chemist dudeand then I'm like okay you gave everyoneI'll just smoke back there and the smokein there like oh dude he's gonna be sucha good chemist and then I'm like nahfuck this shit I'm gonna go study somemath or whatever I don't know mmm bangyou know actually that's a really goodquestion about tying in like I guess thechemistry background went breaking thinghonestly as of right now II kept them pretty separate in thisfight like some sort of unconsciousparallels that probably happen I justnever really gave that much thoughtabout it well here's here's somethingthat maybe you can consider is like forme uh you know I'm an engineer I studiedmath and structural engineering inschool and so I have a very like you'llhave like a very set process I mean it'svery math oriented and so when Iapproach breaking I have kind of like aprocess of doing it in a way you knowwe're not necessarily formulaic althoughit might look that way it's it's morelike so when when you get good at mathright you you're not just memorizinglike a bunch of formulas or somethingyou're understanding the process of howlike numbers work and how you know andvariables and stuff and so what you dois you know how to manipulate you know amathematical equation right or just amathematical statement you know how toalter it because you have all thesetools at your disposal and so I approachbreaking kind of in the same ways whereI like try to learn all these new toolsso that when I come into break I canpull pieces of it and kind of get me towherever I want which is the same thingas math really like if you're trying toget you're trying to turn an equationinto something that's usable so you'reapplying all these different tools soyou know whatever this formula youlearned back in the day or this otherlike substitution you can do these areall little tools you use to alter theequation which I know is somewhatsimilar in chemistry so I I don't knowactually no I now that you bring that upthat kind of like I guess woke upside of my brain that actually have somefeedback on this so I do agree I do seeone parallel at least where I think youcan relate to this square we had like acomplex problem and if we want to beable to figure it out we just break itdown to the simplest of basic form of itand I think that I you I definitely usethat a lot more recently with when Ineed to fix my foundation and breakinglike I realized fuck my footwork lookslike shit right nowand if I want to break it down I alwaysdid no no you're right it looked likeshit for a longest time and it wasn'tuntil like I don't know maybe roughly atleast over two years ago I started totry to fix it and the best way to fix itI guess supposed to break it down onestep at a time because like if I justlook at a six step my own six attackthen yeah I'm like man it looks likecrap yeah I just I just break it down tolike individual steps on how to make itlook crispy yeah yeah exactly and Ithink that's the same with math is likeyou have this equation here and you canmemorize thatbut what's probably more important is ifyou learned how that equation wasderived the process of which and so whenI compare that to a sixth step you havethe Move six steps sure and I you knowyou learned that but then if your sixthstep looks like shit what you should bedoing is looking at each of those sixsteps and figuring out how to make eachof those six steps look better and in away now you have six moves rather thanone move right and so now instead ofdoing a six step you're doing just stepsand you can alter the steps as you asyou want and I think it gives you somuch more depth to your dancing and ifyou apply that to like literally everystep you have I think at least for me Ifound that footwork you're no longerthinking about it in terms of six step 7step 8 step twine whatever all thesestupid steps I don't think of it likethat anymore I just think of it as likea certain movement like I'll move my hipthis way inmy foot that way or whatever on my legor I'll have my head up higher have itlower have my arm reaching out more soit's you know in you combining thosemoves together and then yeah that lookslike a six step but I can also alter itnow it becomes like a you know a twinestep or whatever and so yeah that's thethat's the correlation I have with thetechnical background and in the creativebackground no you're absolutely rightabout that like it was until recentlywhen I've realized the importance oflike committing for example the hook inyour sixth step okay I just thought likeoh it's just a part of the six step butI realized now you gotta make that hooklook really good for that stick stuff tobe really good yeah yes well it it'slike every every piece of the move hasthe ability to make a statement so ifyou want to make the statement at thepart where you're hooking your legaround you want to make sure that thathook looks perfect or at least the wayyou want it so cuz that's gonna be thisthat's gonna be the exclamation point onyour on your sentence right or you knowlike like if you're stepping forwardlike one of the one one of the ways theydo it is like I think it'll be it's likeit's basically a step out but you kindof stick your butt up in the airmm-hmm from a sixth step all you'redoing is just accentuating that one stepyou're still sticking your hips uphigher so you can see it but that sothat now that's the exclamation in thein the sentence so I don't know I thinkhaving a good a good balance ofexclamation points and subtle movementis what really makes it's so interestingthe dancing so interesting I agree Ijust feel like it I guess if you want tocompare it to like if you want to reachup to a broader audience overcharged alla nice pretty picture but we can't drawthis pretty picture without having anice knowing how to draw a nice squarenice triangle a nice nice circle or elseyou have like all these bluff tight-asscircleugly-ass warehouse guys look like shityeah it looks like dope so like okay soin terms of creativity like whatcreatively inspires you in this dancehmm you know honestly the whole createevery part was the one I struggle thehardest with like for the longest timeit wasn't until maybe again like roughlytwo years ago at the same time when Istarted fixing my foundation am Ibreaking that's when my creativityfinally started like flourishing back inthe days hate to admit that I most of mycreativity was I really creativity wasjust watching my friends Freddy's ideaswere just basically biting Oh always beboth to be while fighting shit he's abiter so that was like me back in thedays and then it wasn't until like whenI saw like fixing my foundation when Ican finally learn how to creatively addon stuff so I guess the more of thestory being that it's really importantto really build the basic b-boyfoundation first because that's how tocreate these creativity starts flowingas cliche as that sounds but that shitis true and I wish I learned that likemany years back and I think that wouldhave like expend my growth a lot fasterearly on but moving forward going backto the creativity part and I'll say allof it is just like just starts withworking with my friends whoever Isession with and then anytime someonehas a cool idea we just try to build offof that yeah yeah it's definitelyhelpful to have like a bunch of a groupof people to kind of bounce ideas off ofa lot of times when I train with mybrother well me and him are like reallygood at this cuz we just will dosomething and it's like a you know ashitty movinglike say he does a shitty move and I'llbe like oh can you do this after it andthen he'll try it but he'll do it shittyor whatever and then it wasn't quitewhat I had in my mind but then what hedid actually looks better than what Ihad in my mind or whatever and so thenwe were just like oh that was tight justlike clean that up or whatever and samething for me I'll do a move and I'll belike yo what should I do after this orwhatever and so we just bounce ideas andI think the the part that makes itreally interesting is kind of the Lostin Translation thing because he mighthave an idea for what I'm trying to doand he'll try to say it and I won'tquite understand it but I'll go I thinkI understand let me try it and it'scompletely the diff the wrong thing butit's like he'll see it and go oh thatwas tight actually shit try to do thator whatever so I don't know yeah I justplay it's just playing around reallyit's playing around and and not caring Ithink is the two most important thingsfor me at least I'll actually no I agreejust I guess being in a relaxed state ofmind really does it really is importantfor the creativity part especially Idon't know you have I'm sure you hadthese kind of moments where and eitheryou're in a shower or you're taking youryour your work shits and all of a suddenwhile you're taking a shit you're likeoh I have a dumb idea like it doesrelaxed State oh yeah yeah yeah yeah nouh definitely like you have some weirdideas in the weirdest times yeah cuz Imean it I think what's what's reallyimportant for creativity is to likefully immerse yourself into the momentinto it I mean they call it like a flowstate where like ideas are just flowingand so it's like you're hyper focused inthe moment of you know trying to dosomething and and so I think the timeswhen I'm most creative is when I getthat flow state and I'm hyper focused onjust music and you know just caught upin my own head trying to dosomething in but also not being afraidto just go with the flow you know ifyou've if your body is saying do thisjust try itI mean don't get injured or anything butlike see what happens yeah and thenmaybe maybe it's still maybe it's wackI don't know but actually I was gonnaask you about the whole flow State thingso that's like one of the topics I'vebeen trying to explore a lot morerecently and I've experienced that flowstate where things just likeeverything's you should have just turnsinto going that moment like I guess whatI'm trying to figure out and ask fromyou is how do you obtain this flow statea lot more consistently becausesometimes like you I'll be at practiceI'm like trying to take deep breaths andtry to calm myself but I can't alwaysobtain that flow state consistently so Ijust want to ask you from what's on yourend uh well so yeah I've actually beenreally interested in this topic as welland so I've been listening to a fewpodcasts that have experts in the fieldthat have you know they're like what arethe scientists that study the brainpsychology as AI neurology they're allyes something like that but basicallythey're studying what the brain lookslike in that state so they'll get liketest subjects to like get into thatstate and then they're looking at what'sgoing on in their brain and likefiguring out what was the best way toget them there and I mean I think ithasn't been conclusive of what it is butthey have a few things that help and Imight get this wrong but I guess maybeit's better if I just speak fromexperience what I find is that yeah it'skind of like a meditative exercise in away is like you gotta calm yourself andbecome high like again hyper focused ina certain moment which you know is is ameditative state you're you're notthinking about what anyone else is doingif anyone's looking I mean it's almostlike you're in a room by yourself rightand you're there you're on the ground orwhatever and you're not thinking aboutanyother than music for instance for me forme it's it's the easiest one you know Ihave this music going and it you knowit's like my favorite music or whateverand it's an empty room it's just me Ifind myself getting into that state alot easier because they're there I'm notthere's no one around me to like youknow to give me some kind ofsubconscious stretch distraction yeahyeah I'm not trying to like perform forthem or whatever so not that you can'tdo that with other people around I meanI do that all the time too but you justit's a little bit harder because youhave this thing in the back of your mindthat oh there's these people here orwhatever you can't be crashing all overthe place oh but yeah so like I thinkyeah if you I think the things thatapply to meditation also apply to like aflow State for creativityI don't know I'll have to send you someof the podcasts I've listened to aboutit because it's it's a very interestingsubject and it's not fully understoodbut there are a lot of methods thatpeople have figured out and it's notjust and it's not um it's not only foryou know typical arts things like youcan get into like a float a creativeflow State for really anything andthat's I think that's how a lot of themost the coolest accomplishments havehappened is when people get hyperfocused on something and they date youknow they'll come up with cool ways todo it I mean I have a I have a theorythat Elon Musk is like really good atthis because that guy just has somewild-ass ideas all the time and thenhe's also good at executing them so youknow I feel like he just gets into thiscrazy State of Mind where he's coming upwith all these ideas and then he goesokaylet me reach into my deep bass pocketwith all this money and now let's makeit happen you know and then got a rocketthat's going all over the place andstuff so well yeah kind of continuingoff of that how it's just kind ofcuriouskind of a side question did you startdrinkingmatcha recently because of thel-theanine properties it has the whatElvis theanine l-theanine I have no ideawhat that isI drink it cuz it's good that's goodyeah yeah I don't know yeah it cuz ittastes good and it's I mean like I likecoffee a lot but sometimes coffee giveyou like a headache and stuff and likematcha has some caffeine in it and Idon't know it's I guess it's not soharsh in terms of like caffeine spikeyeah the caffeine spike so I'll drinkmatcha like more often now but I don'tknow I don't know what what isl-theanine with l-theanine it's acomponent in commonly found in matchatea and I've read this recently whereBuddhist monks in Japan which workmatcha tea for the healthy earningbecause l-theanine is supposed to belike this meditative component thathelps your brain relax a lot more soit's supposed to help them with theirmeditation sessions and I started Iguess reading about how to like calm mybreaking down a lot better because I goI go to jams and so you know consciouslyI know that I feel hella nervous and I'mtrying to like take deep breaths andcalm myself and I've been trying to doresearch on how to like optimize thewhole relaxation process you know Istarted buying like the l-theanine selfamazed to see that kind of helps and Iwould say it made my sessions a bitbetter in recent days and be more so Ijust thought that maybe you starteddrinking matcha green chief what else doyou need no but maybe that maybe that'smaybe that's what's been helping me Imean I didn't watch it pretty often soand I drink a lot of tea too so ifthere's any of that l-theanine and likeregular ass tea to you know just regulargood green tea then maybe that helps meI don't know I'll have to look into thatcuz I've never heard of thatI mean shit if it helps then that's dopeI don't know for me I think for me I'vealways just not cared so much about whatother people think soI think that helps me a lot when I go tolike an event I mean obviously that'snot a hundred percent true because I docare I don't want to crash I don't wantto look like shit but I also recognizethe fact that if any of that does happenit's not the end of the world so thatlike helps me a lot and also theexperience you know I've been doing thisfor so long it's kind of like I knowwhat to expectso I've been in this situation you knowI've been dancing in front of people forlike most of my life so it's you knowjust remembering that this isn't I'm nota newcomer to this so I can just jump inand make it happen I think that helpscall me the most you know so do you likeconsciously perform these kind of mentalexercises you want to call it that uh Iguess so ya know I mean there's momentswhen like say you're in a crazy battleand you're just getting blown the fuckup that I think that's when somethingreally sparks up in me because you knowlike back when I used to do martial artss like when you're against someone who'sreally good who's just lighting you upyou know they're like kicking and shitand you're like oh dude this guy's gonnaknock me out or whatever um you get thislike fear in your body and like once youhave a fear you're like I'm definitelygonna lose I'm gonna get fucked up andyou have to like turn something on totell yourself you know no you're notgonna get fucked up you can do this youcan handle it you know what I meanbecause you don't you don't want to getyourself in the defeat state of mindwhen you haven't been defeated yet Imean even if you get knocked out youhaven't really been defeated you want toget back up you know and train getbetter come back at itpercent later on you know yeah so it'sit's it's always been a thing for me todo to to not be defeated by anything andso yeah I think something maybe switcheson in my mind to go itI guess I've kind of trained this iswhere what I like what triggers in mymind is like it is kind of like afeeling of this guy is trying to takesomething from me this guy's trying tolike you know I don't know kidnap myfamily or whatever take some shit fromme you know like I turned some kind oflike thing on in my mind where it's likein a way life or death which then makesme go okay all this scared this is goingaway all this fear is going away cuz Idon't have I have no time for that rightnowyou know I can go back and reflect onthis later but at this moment there's notime for this and so training that Ithink has helped me a lot not that I I'mlike super good at it or anything but Ithink I've gotten a lot better at itjust because it's I'm more conscious ofit so that you like start training yourmental state a lot more recently uhmaybe not super recently I mean withinthe last probably like six or sevenyears it's I think what I've mostlytrained myself in thinking is like whenthat happens and you start having like afear or a doubt in your mind toautomatically go no that's not gonnahappenin fact I'm better than this I got thisI've been in the situation many timesand you know let's just handle this youknow I you know and again yeah this guyis trying to take something away from mewhich then triggers like I don't know ifit's some like primal thing inside likehumans where you know like a maybe it'slike a fight-or-flight kind of feelingso then you get this adrenaline spotso that now you you're more equipped tohandle that situation but yeah I thinkjust training yourself to think aboutthat at that moment that it like thattrigger so when you hit that fear levelautomatically there's a trigger to go nowait that's not gonna happen I mean itdoesn't happen all the time but I I'vegotten better at making that happenprobably in the last six or seven yearsI sounds like you're just challengingthese I guess irrational fears areirrational yes or oral or I don't knowit's I think because I think as humanspeople we all have these instincts inourselves and we just need to know howto trigger them and like you know in inthe situation of a dance battle I thinkmaybe we're all like it maybe doesn'tget naturally triggered all the time foreverybody because you're not really indanger you just freakin somebody spin iton their head or with some shit andyou're like oh I'm just getting blown upor whatever you know but but if you canI guess trigger that to fightfight-or-flight kind of mentality ormaybe not flight fight you're triggeringthe fight in you you get that adrenalinespike I can handle this I'm not gonnarun from it yeah I don't know that's apretty interesting point I think I mightstart taking notes on this yeah I youknow one of the things one of the thingsthat always crossed my mind when I dothis is and I think it helps a lot is isI imagine my grandpa who was in theJapanese internment camps I imagine howhe probably felt as soon as that startedhappening because he was probably likeyou know oh shit everything's gettingtaken from me fuck this you know it's ayeah it's like a firefight mentality atthat moment so I try to think of thatand that gets me better intostate of mind like okay someone's tryingto take something from me let's let'sfight for this you know so I don't knowthat helps me a little bit yeah actuallythat's that's actually a reallyinteresting point I guess try to makethat conscious continual decision yeahthe fight rather than just caving intothe oh fuck I'm getting roasted I'mgetting smoked kind of moment yeah it'sit's hard to though because I also don'ttake myself too seriously so likesometimes if I'm getting blown up I'mlike oh shit that was a tight ass movethough and so I'll like be cheering andthen I'm like oh dude wait what is thefuck are you doing you got it you gottalike battle this guy's so yeah I don'tknow yeah I guess fighting thatlaid-back nough Stu is a little bitchallenging too so I don't know but Idon't have a huge issue with thelaid-back nice just because you knowdancing should be fun so if you're agood if you're laid-back and it's fun Ithink you're doing it right if you'renot having fun then I think you're notdoing it all rightoh no I totally see that if you'rehaving fun and that shit's likecontagious with everybody in the roomyeah uh so um other than breaking do youhave any other creative hobbies mmmother than breaking I would say I don'tknow if cooking counts it's like acreative hobby yeah I think so nice atleast my cooking I don't know how tocook so I'm like oh I want this to tasteuh you know acceptable so let's throwsome soy sauce in it cuz it soy sauce isgood it's a sugar or something all righthopefully this shit tastes good actuallyyou're right though I guess if you learnsome some basic foundations of cookinglike what happens if your food is toosalty use that a little bit of sugar tolike balance it out so I guess in a wayyou're kind of making creative decisionsoptimize your cooking for that momentyeah I mean I've like never learned howto cook properlybut the way I always do it is I justlike taste it and then I go okay this islike a little bland I should add thisand like I'm familiar with flavors ofyou know different spices and stuff so Igo okay this probably would taste goodif I threw a little bit of this on itand then I just freaking do it and if ittastes like shit then whatever I'llstill eat it yeah I of a freestyle justcook okay Cole probably be like this isnasty so you got to eat it okayI mean I've eaten worse I mean what yeahone of my favorite foods is freakinKraft macaroni and cheese with tuna init so you know oh that's the standard iskind of low so I never had thatcombination before I used to eat it allthe time because my grandma would alwayscook it for us cuz it's like I don'tknow the cheapest freakin meal that youcan make for like a bunch of kids youknow it's like at that time probablyKraft macaroni and cheese was like 50cents and tuna can was like 50 cents orwhatever so it's like a dollar and youmake the whole thing and you can feedlike three kids or four kids or whateverdo you know you're right crap is hellacheap I used to live off of that duringmy college days dude I still eat itand it's because I legitimately like itand it's probably because I ate it as akid and it probably tastes disgusting toeverybody else but I like it but ya knowso yeah anyways my standard of cookingis very low and so if I messed up somefood I'll probably still eat it just Imean unless it's just burnt to shit orsomething which which that's happenedbefore you know genic toast dude nothat's some ghetto shit I mean yeah it'ssome ghetto shit just like this podcastbut ya know I think cooking has a lot ofcreativity in it I mean if you thinkabout all the stuff you can do with foodand how people learn how to do thatI don't know I don't know any other waythey could have figured it out otherthan just playing around with shit youknow what I mean like who knew how tomake what caramel what do you do likeyou cook butter and sugar and like yougot to cook it a certain way and itbecomes that you know and it tasteddelicious who knew that that wouldhappen and when you cook it that way Idon't know they probably just threw itall in a pan and started doing it youknow or whatever I don't know yeah Idon't know how like some people come upwith some of them most wild things likewho knew that people would come up withlike haggis for example yeah I'mstuffing some sheeps stomach with randomstuff or like I guess I don't know howpeople would pick open a durian from atree and just break it nope just spikyfruit and break it open and start eatingit like there's a spiky ass heavy fruitthis looks dangerous it's not likesomething that would kill me if it fallson my head and it smells like throw-uplet's eat it yeah no oh man this isactually a really funny thought becauseI was always like there's so manyfreaking poisonous things in the worldlike how the hell did we figure out notto eat you know that one specificmushroom without trial and error bro youknow some cavemen are just like yo goeat that shit real quick and then likethe dude dies and they're like oh Iguess we can't eat that one like howelse do you figure that out you knowthere's some poisonous ass shit you knowfor sure and there's some foods where ifyou don't cook it the right way thenit's poisonous to you which that's evenwilder to me because then that was likeyo go eat that mushroom real quick oh hedied hey let's try it again but let'scook it hey bro eat this cooked mushroomoh you're alive don't we can eat it ifwe cook it seriously what the hell Idon't know how that happened but that'sit if I had a time machine I'd love tolike go back inside and just see thatmoment when the caveman was like you eatthat much quicknah that's crazy I don't know how peopleeven come up with just even like thisokay like I don't know if you ever usefish sauce during cooking yeah and itdoesn't smell too great it's notsomething that you would drink out ofbut it make it gives that amazing mommyin your food when you add it into yourcooking and I don't know how people comeup with like oh no drying a bunch ofanchovies or I get a big-ass barrelright like that's how they cook it orthey make it it's like a bunch of fishjust in a barrel with what like vinegaror something I don't know like hellasalt so I'm Sonia and I don't just clickall the drippings and that just becomesyour fish sauce and yeah it's crazy howsomething with such a strong pungentsmell can make your food like wow andactually some of it is made with likesquid or something right or some kind oflike non fish oh I'm pretty sure some ofthem put like a squid or something youknow I wouldn't be surprised yeah Idon't know that's crazy how people thinkof this stuff back dead yeah I mean fishsauce in general I'm like I wonder ifwhat they did was they just like triedto pickle the fish and they fucked upand they're like yo we're not gonna eatthis fish but this sauce smells kind ofgood let's throw it in our food let'sthrow it in our bland ass food to makeit taste better or you know what maybethey did pickle the fish and the fishwas good but they ran out of the fishand then they're like oh we still need ayou know we need to eat all we have isrice let's pour this fucking sauce on itso it tastes better I mean but that'screativity right they're like dude youknow we fucked up pickling let's try tosee what happensso that's dope so uh how have you takenany like cooking classes or you justkind of figure it out on you on your ownI know Vince is kind of like a he cookshe cooks a lot and I don't he I don'tthink he take took any classes but hewatches a lot of YouTube videos andlearns how to cook from YouTube no Ijust only took like one semester cookingclassduring high school just to get startedand I just learned from my mom growingup so it's all just like informallearning here and there and I justbasically copy off for YouTube videosnowadays just yeah I can't like kind offigure out like this sort of patternbetween like a lot of those videos sothat's how I got startedyeah that's tight so have you ever likecooked a big meal like a Thanksgivingmeal or something for a bunch of peopleit was just kind of a hobby I guess uhbiggest call people I made food for wasyes for my R&D department in my currentcompany and every Ally doing a potluckso I just made like hella Vietnamesespring rolls and as a prettylabor-intensive because you have to likeyou got to cook the pork you got to cookthe shrimp now you got to cut thevegetables now you have to roll everyindividual roll and I probably roll likeI think maybe 40 rows 40 doesn't soundlike much no it takes hella long yeah soI'll show you when you fuck one up andyou're like oh can't make can't give himthis one you gotta keep going if I didthat you know what I would have done isI would have had all the ingredients andthen I would have just had the littlerolls and be like yo just take that dipit in the water and then you roll ityourself you motherfucker I doing thisfor youhey I've made all this food for youthere's a little picked up grabinstruction how to roll your own food doyou not want even do that I would justgo like yeah watch me real quick Booproll all right you're on your own dudeI'm out peace I'm gonna go eat somethingelse oh yeah that's a good way to goabout it have have people figure it outyeah have them figure it out becausesomebody had to figure it out okay socook so cooking um do you have any otherhobbies um that's not a hobby which is Idon't actively practice it I do likedrawing or paintingI took one dose it was a group on takingclasses so are those paint Knights ohyeah yeah like where you drink you getdrunk or whatever in paint yeah exactlyexcept the one I had didn't really havedrink spa I mean usually salon does winein Cape nights and9 - wine bye anyways because I've alwaysdone pain during high school I was likewhy am i first creative outlets - so Iwould say yeah I'm in - I'm not gonnasay I'm takasi or anything but that'sthat's not a creative outlet that I hadin the pastthat's Heights oh so have you done anypaintings recently I would say likeabout two weeks ago okaydid went to like one of those paidnights okay that's pretty dope to justreally explore the something that I'vedone in the past yeah yeah yeah I usedto paint all the time my mom she'sreally into acrylic painting she and sheused to be into like oil painting nowshe does a lot of watercolors too butyou know from a young age she taught mehow to paint and so uh I used to paintall the time so I did this probably 10years ago I made this one I don't knowthis was recent because I started thispodcast and I was like oh I need africkin logo I think I got drunk andpainted this and then that one I don'tremember when I painted that that wasmaybe like a year ago I don't know Idon't really paint too often thoughthose ones over there damn those propthose are oldest fuck actually those areprobably ten years old - and then I havea lot of even older stuff at my parentshouseall right I like painting but I justdon't have a lot of time to do it it'skind of messy - and like back in the daywho I used to do is I would throw acanvas on my bed and I would paint on itcuz I didn't have like a you know aplace to like paint mm-hmm so just usemy bed dad like she has like think sothere's like I have these old sheets andstuff they have like paint all over thembecause I would paint on my beddank cuz I didn't give up here do thissome real bro yeah I live this life dudeI still have those sheets by the way andI actually use themso that's some real broke bullshit butyes I used to paint all the time andyeah I would actually do it a lot moreoften if I had more time more recentlyI've been into mic music production andit's mainly because it's a skill setI've never had before other than I kindof knew how to play piano a little bitbut I'm not good at or anything um soI've been getting more into that butpainting has been a part of my lifesince I was a kiddrawing too and I used to do uh ceramicsas well but I haven't done that in avery very long time actually you've beenexposed to art for like your most ofyour life dead there's a lot ofcreatives in my family I mean my momagain is an art an artist and she's aart teacher and then my dad you knowhe's you know he makes a lot offurniture and so in a way it's he's anartist with wood my grandpa on my mom'sside he's kind of the same way he's acarpenter he made a lot of friends hereand stuff so uh you know and he he's avery creative person because he wouldyou know he could you know he he has thebroke boy mentality to you I mean but Imean he he because he lit he came fromlike war times and stuff he's from fromGermany he was an immigrant in Americahe came here with like not much moneyand stuff so he had to make shit happenso in lieu of not having money to dosomething it was like he had to figureout a way to do it you know and so yougot to have some creativity creativityto make that happen so I've just beensurrounded by that a lot in my life so Idon't know I think that's probably whyI'm so interested in so many creativeoutlets and maybe see the creativity inother things that aren't traditionallylabeled as creative endeavors but youfeel like a lot of those past creativediverse kind of help shape your I guessyour minds framework and when youapproach to breaking because I rememberyou would tell me you bepracticing in your living room just onthe floor just figure out how to go frompoint A to point B differently ya knowit definitely does because I meanthere's an argument to be made thatcreativity is itself just a skill youknow not just in this specific topic orwhatever it's a skill because in a wayyou have to turn a piece of your mind onin a certain way and apply that toanything just like you would have to dowith with like any kind of skill interms of you know building somethingwith your hands you need to you need tohave certain skills to do that rightsame thing I think with creativity isyou need to have you need to have skillsto turn on this piece of your brain todo it and I think if you can do it wellin one thing say breaking I think youcan also probably do it well in otherthings and that's why I think it's beeneasy for me to pick up a lot of things Imean mainly I mean because I started asan artist a painter and I then I gotinto breaking and I think a lot of thoseskills transferred into breaking sobreaking I mean not that it was easy tolearn because it takes a lot of skill tolike pick up on the the the athletics ofit but once I got to that point and theAthletics became easy I think everythingjust started making everything startedclicking more together because now Icould apply this creative creativitythat I've always you know been a it'salways been a part of my life into thisnew thing and the same thing with musicproduction and you know not that I'mgood at it or anything but like ilearning more about music theory andstuff it's just giving me more tools toplay with and then that part of my brainthat lets me play which is creativityboom it just happens i think and so soyou feel like a lot of those actuallyit's kind of started making yourcreativity muscles like get buffer andbufferyeah I guess yeah it's uh yeah I don'tknow it it's is such a weird thing to mebecause cuz yeah people will ask me likewhat how how the hell did you do thisand it's always just it's creativity tome is a broke boy mentality it's likealright here you have these tools nowwhat can you do with it and a lot ofpeople would be like oh I need moretools to do something but I feel like abroke boy would be like well I need todo this so alright all I have is thismicrophone this empty thing of coffeeand this piece of paper let's make afucking podcast bruh you know what Imean so it's like just make it hat thatit's just like make make it happen youknow and then as you refine your toolsmaybe get more tools you come back makeit better make it better make it betterI don't know I guess it kind of fallsAnette on the whole problem solving kindof mindset yeah holla dad it is aproblem-solving mindset for sure it itvery much is because um you know I thinkif you looked at any art endeavor let'ssay a painting you have this picture inyour mind let's see what let's see whatI can do a lot of times you startdrawing or painting or whatever and itcomes out a little differently than whatis in your mind but then you go ohactually I like this let's play aroundwith this a little bit more boom let'skeep playing around and so you're it'sit's like a process of playing and doingat the same time in a way you know Idon't know creativity is a veryinteresting subject to me and that'swhat that's that's why I like talking toother creatives and that's why I madethis podcast to talk to other creativesto kind of more understand that processyou know I'm not like an expert on it oranything I mean I would say I'm not aexpert at allI just know my own process and I thinkthat other people's processes can helpme better refine my own process andhopefully help other people to ifthey're listening so anyways I thinkthat's a good discussion we're hittingthe one hour mark at this point so wecan probably close the show up prettysoon um let's see I got a bunch ofquestions here uh is there anything elseyou want to say before we close out theshow no I'm pretty much good to goactually um well thank you guys forlistening let me set this show up so wecan turn it off because it's a littlebit bad you two bronies hit the jackpot[Laughter]thank you guys for listening um this hasbeen noise of the broke boys with myfriend clawis there any way what's your Instagramand everything where do people where canpeople find you so people can find me atmy Instagram called a quality sesh sothat's KH o al ity SE sh t seshwhat a sesh it's just a short version ofthe word session so that if scream wasintended just to capture all my practiceclips or my breaking clips thoughbecause I it just become kind ofcumbersome of the switch back andforward to my own Instagram accountI decided users that's my primaryInstagram account so I'm pretty surepeople are just clicking around clickingon following my old account and I justnever really likedcheck or update it so you want to followme pleasebut a quality sesh follow him qualitysesh alright thanks for having forshowing up man thank you for having meand fuck you for being late alrightthanks for watching thanks for listeningsorry the show sucks peace[Music][Music]you[Music] 

Peter of Uncomfortably Fresh Crew, sits down to discuss the therapeutic benefits of breaking and mental strength it can build. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form. ----more----[Music]today's episode of noise of the brokevoice is brought to you by socialdistancing is there a dangerous zombieapocalypse pandemic going on outside oryou a pseudo intelligent anti geniusthat believes drinking Clorox will cureyou of your ignorance and deplorablepersonality either way social distancingshould be your first line of defenseagainst the dangers of these thingsremember to keep six feet away from allpeople and always wear a face coveringthis will not only keep you both safefrom transferring harmful contagiousdiseases but it will allow you toconceal your unsightly personality forthose of you already acting in a carefulrespectful and responsible way thank youplease carry on and stay safe and now onto the show[Music]in today's episode I sit down with mygood friend peter dinh we both attendedUC Davis at the same time and have beenfriends and training partners ever sincemeeting he currently works as anassociate marriage and family therapistin Sacramento California helping allsorts of folks in the area please enjoythe episode what's up Peter how youdoing thanks for having me overyeah I know I haven't seen you a minuteat least since I've got married yeahactive would you say that you're in thelike scale of one to ten ten being likeyou're the other one throwing all theSilverbacks or something like that likewhat level involvement you think you arethere it's in the breaking scene yeah ohdang dude it's low it's probably belowfive okay but I don't think that's agood thing but I think it's just kind ofhow my life has put me because I'm likeolder at this point I've you know I meanwhen I was younglet's say 18 there wasn't really anybodymy age now 32 that was really still inthe scene maybe like a few people veryfew handful now that I'm this agethere's a lot more of us all right umbut I guess and I don't know why that isbut I think maybe it comes from beingthe whole community being a little moreconnected through social media andwhatnot yeah but um I guess being beingused to that and I guess being at theage where there's you got a lot of stuffgoing on in your life breaking somerelease the breaking scene kind of takesa backseat to a lot of that stuff notthat breaking is not a big part of mylife because I go and practice veryreligiously all the time and but I treatit more as like therapy exercise and away to stay in shape and a way to likereally stretch my creative mind ratherthantrained my skills to like be the bestand battle everybody and so I've alwaysyeah I've always treated breaking aslike this kind of mental exercise tokind of fix all the holes in my life ina way I mean there's obviously holes ineverybody's life all over the placeand me as a as an engineer someone whoworks in in in that kind of world youstretch your brain completelydifferently then then as a creativedancer and so the holes that that leavesin me breaking always fills and it itobviously feels a lot more than that tooI mean if my if my job was to break Iwould need something to fill in theholes which you know academicsengineering mathematics stuff like thatyeah nerdy type of stuff that fills inthose holes and so I think it's a goodmarriage of of activities yeah um butbut anyway so I've always used brakingas kind of like a therapeutic exerciseand that's a lot of why I wanted to talkto you because I think there's a lot oftherapy in using creative endeavors toto heal and maybe maintain your mentalrelationship or you know I don't knowyour your health yeah I would definitelyagree with that what I noticed whatbreaking I use it for some similarthings you say some of - and I love thisword I know you know I have to say thatall day breaking grounds me for anyonethat breaks it that also refers toground power yeah yeah but um in thesense where would tell me a few thingsyou know about mindfulness again I guesswhatever you know well I guess what'syour definition of mindfulness I guessthat you're going forward yeah so let mehear yours like one thing you know aboutmindfulness ismmm I mean uh probably the first thingthat comes to mind would be say withoutsaying mindfulness is uh being aware ofsomething and yeah I guess keeping it inthe forefront of your brain yeah yeahbeing being aware of what's going onright now many times like or I canimagine people being stuck in theirminds breaking in life where I gotta dothis I gotta do this damn I don't havethis man when I was youngerI'm used to could do this blah blah blahor later I can't wait till I have thisand when I'm breaking I don't have timefor that because I have to be present orelse what do we say we used to practicethat David hey just just don't die likea stick that or you'll probably die likeI know I know that was extreme of us tosay it but it made sense and it made yougo for the gusto though yeah it made yougo for the gusto and then it it it putme in a position where I had to be ifnot a hundred percent like 90 is it'sthe high 190s percentile that's that'shigh eighty ninety per se in thosehigher higher percentiles of awarenessand where awareness is awareness in thebody like in in my practice many peoplecome in clients come in and they're intheir minds yeah or their minds arethinking over thinking I got to do thisagain I have to do this I'm not doingthis I want to be this well when you'rein your body you can only be aware ofhow things taste so if you eat shit whenyou crash your move oh you know whatthat tastes likemy wrist so my wrists and shoulders feela lot of pain so being cognizant of oohthat hurts my wristmy shoulder let's not do that let's easethat how can I do that more effectivelymusic that sound right away look I haveto be present is there a beat there do Iwant to be offbeat like you making allthese choices so we talked about hearingso far we talked about our our what doyou call touch Oh touch I yeah we'reabout touch and then you worry aboutsight your dusters like your spatialawareness right we're battling who areabout who do we see where do I see myfoot in relation to in my chest myeverything so that's on that's that'sthree senses I don't know how you fittaste in taste in but maybe it may bethe taste of victory I don't know andthen so I'm what's the last one let'ssee we have sight and smell yeah yousmell them stink ass yeah becausebecause you you know when we stress wedo to stress sweat yeah yeah you're likeoh yeah yeah so maybe tason's 1000aren't exactly in there but yeah what'stherapeutic what can be therapy about itis you have to be present mm-hmm ittakes you out of your mind so thatthat's that's yeah beauty productsactually one thing I think this connectsto this is uh it was something that pollone told me was uh that the reason helikes the word b-boy is because you'reletting your inner child come out toplay you're not a B man even if you'reyou know I think what how old is he 40something yeah he's he's a man but he'snot a B man he's a b-boy because he'staking himself out of his adultresponsibilities and saying let my innerchild come out to play oh and that's mygod that's what kind of like helps himkind of patch up everything in his lifeI think and that's think that's reallyinteresting and and it's about beingnovel right like you find the and whofind things novel kids yeah oh my goshif these boys be girls Ohthat was amazing no you know this kindof ties into like a lot of the work thatVince does Vince being my brother um whohas his YouTube channel he teaches ineverything a lot of the people heteaches are like special-needs kids yeahand some of the most interesting thingsthat he says is that a lot of these kidsyou know they got troubled lives inwhatever a lot of difficulties at homeand stuff and they can easily go down abad path without the right you knowmentors around them and he finds thatsome of the most interesting thing thathappened is he he lets them just be kidsin his classes he's like you know here'shere's what breaking is here's somemusic to dance to here's some moves I'mshowing you the tools how to do it nowhere I'm gonna play some music you guysgo on that side these guys go on thisside and you guys are gonna battle andjust have fun don't worry don't thinktoo much about it if you want to try andmove do it if you want to do a new movedo it if you don't want to do any ofthose moves and do something else justgo for it let your inner child play andthey're out there doing that having thetime of their lives and then he saysthey go home and he's finding that a lotof their home life is kind of beingsolved by that in a way a lot of a lotof things at home still need to getfixed but at least the difficulties thatthey're carrying over into school that'smaking them maybe not do so well inschool those things are getting solvedbecause they they're there they'rehaving a great time coming to schoolbecause they know that not only are theygonna learn a lot they're also gonna getto play let their inner child play - andit encouraged for them to do that it'sencouraged to let their creativity comeout um let's listen like mess up - itlets the mess up yeah yeah I think we'relike I don't really like this andthey're practicing your voice overbecause when you're in a dance flooryou're constantly making choice you knowand yeah I think so I think failurecreativity are all very tied togetherand I think kids learning failure orand understanding that failure is not asbad as people make it out to beeventually a good thing and it's anecessary part of the possibility tolearn it so yes necessary part of theprocess is a good skill to learn andwhat do you know they're not learning itthrough anything else at school ortraditional school they're learning isthrough breakdancing yeah because laywhat they're do playing yeah exactlythey're coming to school playing andbeing encouraged to let let their mindwander let that body wander to cool newdimensions that they didn't know existedand they're encouraged to do that andwhen they fall down you know one of thecool things about braking is you a lotof moves come from falling down yeah ohlike oh man I fell down but it kind oflooked cool let me do that so it doesn'thurt next time yeah so then you do thatand you're like well yeah I fell andlearned a new move now I don't and itteaches them how to reflect on thatskill like okay that hurt this jokeactually with people cuz they asked meyou know you got an interesting stylewhat do you call itand I I always thought that that was adumb question but then I actuallystarted goofing around and making a jokeabout it and saying I call it floppingcuz it's like taking your flops andflowing with them and essentially I'vejust built my whole style from that ohyeah I mean hopefully it doesn't alllook like a flop but it's like you'restill in my book and whoever wellbecause when you're at Davis wenicknamed you the ultimate flopper Idon't know if you ever remember that butyeah you're the oats me a flopper likeerr flopshe went for an air flare he didn't hitit but he didn't crash and it was likebut and then you do that and then youturned it into a different move and thenyou just kind of went with it now it'sits own moves yeah no you do it enoughand then people recognize that that'swhat he does and then you keep trainingand actually learn how to air flare andnow you got two moves you got that airflop and the air flare yeah I got twomoves and it all came fromletting your mind wander and also hardwork so yeah the spirit of play man likeyeah I can't stress that enough and Ialso understand how scary it is thoughit is scary it's like too playful yeahand then well us as adults I mean Ican't speak urged as an adult yeah -well yet to failyes discourage as an adult I mean Ithink a lot of the adult world is set upto discourage creativity yeah go to workand you go oh I want to do I want to trysomething new no stick by the book it'smore efficient it's more profitable todo it yeah it's tried-and-true when it'snot true that's crazy yeah and and in away the business model works well withthat yeah but I think it also damageswhich are us personnel yeah yeah peopledoing the job it does us real quickdulls you yeah yeah whereas yourcreativity lets you use your knowledge -dude cool new things and like maybe gaina better understanding of stuff I meanlike I said my style is built fromflopping and flowing out of it flowingfrom flopping yeah and and by I guess bydoing that I was I think it's it's likeI'm in Courage I'm encouraging myself toexplore yeah things and then buildsomething yeah exploration man that'swhat that's that's why - whoever came tous and stuff there right just explorethe frontiers and we're exploring thefrontiers of our bodies or our minds nowit's going super vague but it make itmake sense it makes sense do with theadult world you said earlier that umwhen we were younger there weren't manypeople past 30 that were breaking likeyeah yeah how is that like what goes onthrough your mind when you're thinkingthat we got like Morris gravity us likejust still going whether or not we'recompeting but there's we're still goingour practice still this is the callthose guys from Japan and their 40sstill hitting like the craziest powerlike I think it's because of raisingdude breaking is I mean it obviouslyit's an art form but along with artforms come yet the the quest to expressyourself and that is deeply rooted in usas human beings this is something thatwe've always I think you get to an ageand you're like oh I don't necessarilywant to compete anymore but I also can'tget away from this thing because it's itprovides this outlet that I need in mylifeas a as therapy ER you know or yeah it'sit's just it's part of my life to reallylike keep my life together and I mean Ican't imagine myself not breaking mm-hmmyou know if I wasn't breaking there'd bea lot of holes to fill I'm yeah cuz youknow I like I love moving around andstuff so I need to have something thatfills that hole I need something thatfills my creativity hole yeah maybe it'spainting or making music or whatever butyeah I mean the I think breakingbeautifully like collects all that stufftogether yeah you keep mentioning thingsabout holes and so that got me wonderingwhat is breaking filling for me exactlyI wanted to say something likecreativity because honestly that soundsfucking cool and now thinking about itbecause I practices first I think of itas discipline for myself because yeahyeah cuz yeah some martial art dude itreally is I mean like what's it I don'tactually know nothing of them Martinmartial art I don't really know thedefinition of thatI don't even know what Marshall means Ithink it comes from like military ohyeah I mean cuz it's it's like combatokay and it's I guess it's the art ofcombat really but when you select I meanI'm kind of I'm I'm not saying martialart as if it really is one but it's sodamn similar yeah like it takesdiscipline it takes practice and well Iknow when I go to practice there'sthere's a few sets and sometimes Ihaven't said I just go there and I justpractice my power moves like just andsometimes I don't do combos and likeright now the last three months I meanor however long we talked to jihad and Italked to Alex and I'm only training myflares that's it and then knowing thatI'm going in there and doing that overand over and over I know there's peoplethat come to me like you hope you canget so much better you're doing thisdoing this and then it's giving me theOperato practice and doing the same thingover and over and over is giving me theopportunity to one show myself that I amable to discipline myself show myselfthat when someone comes over and Irespect them and say hey yo Peter youshould do this to be a better b-boy andthen I can say no I'm yeah yeah I'mpracticing saying no and doing and italso gives me a chance to give a fuckabout what I want to give a fuck aboutcuz yeah we don't have that many fucksto give no it's a it's a finite amountto find out about everyone and you losemore and more every year yeah I meanit's a finite amount of like againyeah only gives say five every day yeahand then you only have a limited amountof days so it's yeah it's ticking downso really I mean I really I thinkcalling it a fuck is funny but think ofthat as like currency yeah you have abank yeah and it doesn't get reallyreplenished that much currency it's funyeah the currency of the flux of givingfucks yeah dude like yeah yeah like youjust gave me the the visualization thatwhen I was younger I have so many I givea fuck about so many thing and all thosefucks the font is timesRowman and as the years went by theamount of fucks decreased and the fontgot cooler so I went a little bit toocomics says the militant gothic now Inow I think I'm at like Arial black likeit's simple but not too simple as stilla little a little professional you saidit's a little professional is a littlefun that wasn't my idea by the way thatwas that I think Marc Manson the subtleart of not giving a fuck I just oh yeahyeah yeah it's a funny book dude yeah noI want to read that book yes I said itto you what was I going to say yes so Iused to do martial arts a long time agoI did Taekwondo for about ten yearsbefore I ever braked and one of thereasons I stopped doing that I mean Ialways loved it but I got to a pointwhere it felt like such a thing whereeveryone was telling me what I needed todo what I have to do huh and that waswhen I and I used to skateboard I meanwhich you know that the world ofskateboarding is very like antieverything like do whatever accountincluded well yeah it's countercultureit's and I always was really drawn tothat but it it didn't quite fill all thevoids for me and then when I foundbreaking I was like this fills everyvoid for me and it's very countercultureit's encouraged to do whatever the hellI want and so where martial arts wasfailing me a little bit Breaking filledthat void and this was before I thinkmixed martial arts was really up in thescene because I know mixed martial artsnow they're like okay now what yeah iseffective and I think that's more sowhat I wanted to go towards but I thinkbreaking offered me a lot of creativitybecause it was just like now I'm cominginto a world where there's a move youknow like say I just crashed and made itinI said all that crash kind of looks coollet me try to make it yeah and I justkeep working at it practicing itpracticing it and now it's a move thatnever existed before yeah so it createdthis let me make it made me let me makestuff much like how painting is yeah butit's an active thing where I can get outthat freaking like you know young managgression out onto something and so itreally filled in all the holes for meand that's what drew me to it and solike once I found it and I found thegroup of people I wanted to do it with Iwas just like do you I don't know if Ican keep doing martial arts because thisis what I want to do is breaking this isa this is the real martial art from meyeah it's you know I mean I was nevertoo into fighting always like you know Ialways thought that violence was not sogood but I liked martial arts because itat least teaches you how to handle asituation yeah but for the for the mostpart I don't want it I don't want it toeven go to that point I don't want toget violent and so when I saw breaking Iwas like you know what this is givingyou that combat relationship in a battlebut you're not throwing hands at peopleno one's in danger I mean obviously backin the day there used to be somesituations where people were fightingand stuff but I don't encourage that butI think having a competitiveness betweentwo people or two groups of people is agood thing to have it provided that forme yeah that's what I was drawn to andso like I just kept going with it andI'm still in love with it as I was backthen yeah I'm not so into the scene as Iwas before and that's you know obviouslybecause I have different things in mylife and I'm a I can't dedicate as muchtime to competing in whatever yourrelationship to breaking has off toanother city evolved to something elseyeah but very much so my love for it isthe same yeah in fact it's bigger yeahit's a it's a more nuanced to love nowyeah I guess it's not so once onevariable anymore like whenwhen anyone I mean I noticed when Ithink Jordan Peterson said it anyone canmake an argument from one variable Ilove breaking because it's this mmm Ilove breaking because it's this butthere's multiple variables yeah when youget to the point where you're like oh mygosh I hate it I love itbreaking makes me sad it also makes mehappy it turns me on turns me off breaksme up teaches me thingsteach me bad things and bad habits butit's all of that like there is notthere's lots of things to tweak in itit's it's a multivariate thing as as ismany things in life and also everythingeverything and everything and everythingworth doing is probably like that yeahand then to be able to step back and gowhoaas much as long as we've we've been inthis dance for like over a decadealready approaching to decade yeah yeahoh okay thanks for making me feel datedanyway oh yeah I'll try to be all likehow you are with it I don't really countyears but then somebody asked merecently like how long I've beenbreaking I was like and you just give myage but yeah right and then I startedcounting like dude it's like almost 20years yeah for me it's 15 inch 15 16 isit no dude cuz I didn't start reallyuntil 2002 2001 so like I came toys youknow cuz that's like I started and I wasaround 50 so it's like I mean I'm 30 I'm33 hold itit's like 17 18 years you know just likeI'm trying to keep myself young alrightno holy crap yeah it's 1780 yeah westarted around the same time yeahoh my gosh right but I think y'all thesame thing that happened to me when Iwas like oh you haven't braking like tenyears in the like way no that doesn'tmake any senseno that still doesn't make any sense ohmy god it's like not too many years offof 20 like it really is it oh my godyeah yeah you know and I'm not trying tosay that we're some kind of old geezersI still feel when people say like ohyou're old school I'm like no I'm middleschool of anything and I stay there likejust that's it I'm just me I'm nottrying to be an OG and I mean in a wayI'm not even like looking for respectreally I've always just wanted to do ityeah that's just and that's where therespect comes from yeah like I have my Ihave my ideas about breaking but itagain when I notice with like with mycrew uncomfortably fresh whatever wetalk about it's it can be connected tobreaking but we focus on life skills ifwhen you practiceare you disciplined when you're enteringjams or you doing a move is itintentional can you reflect back andthink about what you said earlier occurits effectiveness and then when youthink about effectiveness what thing isthat what are you trying to be effectiveat for me personally it's I think it'seffective when things don't hurt likeit's an age thing for me I know somepeople say eight like I don't thinkabout age age age is just a number I Ican understand where it's coming fromthat no matter how old you get you cando things I also believe in balance andI need to I need to know the limitationsof age so I can effectively do what Iwant to do I can't just Huck and chuckanymore now I have to I have to rely onangles way more than I have said beforelike it's taught you how to be moreprecise with ityes very that's what I've learned yeahI've always thought of myself assomewhat precise but it wasn't till Mikemore recently that like because of allthese injuries I've gathered throughthrough my life it makes it hard to do alot of stuff and it forced me to reallylike think of every little position thatI'm putting my knees my elbows myshoulders so that I don't injure myselfand so what I found myself doing isrunning through all the moves I haveslowly mm-hmm feck ting every angle thendoing it a little bit faster doing it alittle faster and then you know kind oflike doing it atthe speed is supposed to be at and justbeing very mindful of that and over theyears of just doing that building habitsabout that it's helped me really um inbetter precision and fine-tunedfine-tuned yet you are now a high-endyeah you're not not some one of myfriends um Joey chaotic I know I knowyeah I was practicing with him it waslike hope we used to go but he called mea ninja he's like do you brake silentlyyou do because you slip and slide yeahit's like I slide around and I'm I'vealways been very like careful aboutwhere I'm putting my foot veryintentional yeah very intentional and Ididn't really notice that until he saidthat and I was like oh yeah and actuallythat's the thing that I've really beenworking on not to be silent but to beprecise and the silence kind of camewith that yes I thought it was reallyfunny that's when you know you do iteffectively because look at trickersthere's there some that's like boom boomboom triple but then some years likeyou're like dude is he not floating ishe not punching the ground because howthe hell's he gain that much height he'sjust learned to hone his like motormaybe yeah he has that gravity belt onmaybe he took off his 23 pound ankleweights or whatever he came from thefuture where they have actual gravitybelts and just came to the pass and waslike I'm gonna yeah he has like he hashelium has helium suppository pills inhis ass yeah and then it was like ohshoot I'm going too high so he'llsqueeze his ass little whorish pinkthere so pop one dude like like on thosethings about doing things are pastsuperhuman limits I know someone atthere are some of that practice atdynasty and I respect what he says it'sreally awesome you mentioned thingsabout like um no limits like there's nolimits to the human this and that andthis and that I respect that view whensomeone says we have no limitsI also see a side where there's a beautyto limits because like the other daywith like or latter time me you and liveextent and when you know your limit youget creative and the prime the primeexample I news and I know not everyonegets it but I think you might the SuperNintendo that is Mike that my go to theyare only 16-bit if it's anything elsebecause someone correct me they only16-bit the PlayStation came out whileSuper Nintendo was there and they andwhoever is working to Super Nintendosweat no I want to push it I want topush it and what happened Donkey KongCountry came out killer instinct cameout how the hell did they manage to get3d onto a cartridge they added a chipinto the cartridge that's cool and it'snot true 3d but and they were able tofind a way to mimic 3d like that's whereI think to creativity okay not tocreativity I think a a high level ofcreativity and come from when you areholed into another oneIron Man when he built his mark one suithe didn't have shit right in the moviehe was just good and because it was inthe hole he figured out something trulyamazing because you only had you had toget creative but what was at hand andthen with your injuries you said I gottaget creative I learned backspin becauseof a torn meniscus yeah I couldn't doanything and I was like yeah I was allsad and stuff and then I just like laidon my back it was like well this doesn'thurt and I just started like spinningaround okay I remember that time is crapcuz that time way you're practicing backspins was the time that I tore myrotator cuff and Ivan I never had likelegit windmills cuz I was all flareflare stuff yeah and then you got backsmooth I got windmills I was like dudelike we gotta get creative I need tospin no I need to spin I think thelimitations when you embrace them italmost gets rid of the limit yeahthrough the limitations you surpassedthat limit it's it's it's when youremove the limitation you think well Idon't have anywhere to goyou're aimless or not I mean you yourespect it it's like you recognize itand you go I respect that and so let mefind this way around it in a creativewaybut I'm selecting it it's there like youknow I can't it's something that I haveno control over I'm going to do everyI'm still gonna do what I'm gonna do butI'm respecting it it's there yeah andevery time you get close you push it alittle you're like oh we're pushing ityou're pushing yourself yeah so so maybewhen someone says no limits you knowwhat they're essentially saying the samething it's a more simplified version andit makes sense like to to get your pointacross like what we're talking aboutlike earlier about selling a pitch wegot to keep it simple we got to keep thedetails out so when someone maybe toldme no limits that's the basic form of itbut when we write our 10 page then we gointo all this so yeah we're all sayingthe same thing man like living yesterdaywhen he was saying you just gotta findhis passion he's gotta find his passionso that he can yeah yeah something likethat and I was saying value and then Iwas like remember the thing I said aboutcommunication 65% by language 35%delivery and then 7% content that's whatcommunication is composed of yeah it wascommunication composed up and me and Livexcept he said passion I say value butwe knew what we meant because of thedelivery like we didn't need to correcteach other yeah yeah like we got to apoint like hey we're saying the samething it is got five more minutes leftman how you want to end this when do oure-learning yeah what so can you explainwhat a real a real learning is okay sureso in my practice I usually end mytherapeutic sessions with a realerit's a way to just summarize consolidateeverything that you've talked about inthe last hour hour-and-a-half in oursessions and a gif it helps give yousomething to walk away with it keeps itreasonable it keeps it manageable cuzsometimes when you talk for an hour twohours it's a lot of content you're likehow can I remember all thatbye and this is this is a type ofmeditation to is its type of mindfulnessit hones in on what's important at thetime and I give choices cuz you know weneed a little bit choices and anyone cando this you can do this at home it's ait's an option anyone wants to try itit's a very short form of therapyI mean meditation you just start withone thing I learned or one thing Irelearned or if that's too hard onething I noticed and you start with onething it doesn't have to be the thingthat stuck out the most it doesn't haveto be the most important thing it's justone thing Kurt you want to try it outfirst okay how about we both do it I'lldo mine and then you do yours soundsgoodstart by saying it you're in your mindright now let's get into your body startby saying one thing I one thing Ilearnedis where creativity comes from and thathelped me way and that helped me alignalign my life to be more creative thanksfor that one thing I learned aboutmyself today about what breakingactually means to me is the disciplineand knowing that I didn't use breakingone of the reasons and use breaking as aform of discipline is I feel like I lackand or need it in some areas and bypracticing it and breaking it justspills over into other areas and I and Ionly noticed that after our talk todayso that's pretty nuts yeah yeah I cansecond that for sure I want to changemine here we go okay I'll counter I'llcosign that okay we can cosign yeah andthen the another way that I end sessionin addition to the learning now we evenconsolidate even more Kurt you said itbeautifully when we had coffee thismorning when you're like breaking youwant to make a sentence like there's atopic there's a whatever everything inthere then you realized hey sometimesyou can just say a word you write anessay you read a story sometimes theyjust write a word damn that's one wordyes oh yes unless this ends today'sthing with the a word what's your wordmanhave two words but I'm trying tocondense it into one but I don't know ifthat word exists hey Unni create one heyyou're new it that you can create it youcan hyphenate it it's up to you you gotchoice man it's your choice continuedlearning with a hyphen in the middlecontinue learning continually mine istransparent transparent I see thanks manthanks for having me yeah yeah thanksfor being here this was good dudeyeah no I think we learned a lot andthis is kind of why I wanted to createthis show is to like documentconversations like this naturalconversations about things that we careabout and you know things that we learnfrom and help others maybe learn from ittoo hopefully hopefully people out theregot something from this conversation asI think we both did yeah man thanks alot for that no thank you thank you yeahall right thanks 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Moon, an amazing dancer from Korea, discusses his journey to America and how the language of dance helped him gain friends and family despite not speaking much English.Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by the Shadow Realmare you and your spouse looking for agreat place to honeymoon you have excessmoney to spend on affordable prime realestate well then you may want toconsider visiting the Shadow Realm thisamazing banishment destination was firstmade famous by the popular children'scard game player ukyo since his rise tofame many have found themselves retiringto the Shadow Realm is the phrase I wantto 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budgetour budget was $5 and unfortunately wespent it all on Moon's haircut and sowithout further ado today I have my goodfriend mr. moon Lee K number one whatelse did you go by go by my name nowyeah I think that's a good decision sowhat's up man how you been good goodgood how are you I'm good dude I've beenyou know working hard trying to makesome stuff happen um with the show andwith my life and whatever and so youknow I know because you and I don't livein the same area anymore we don't get totalk as much and now so it's good tohave you here him so we can like catchup and stuff yeah it's a good catch noyeahum so what I want to talk to you abouttoday is like how you got into hip-hopbecause you know you are originally fromKorea and then you moved out here toAmerica basically to be a dancer and getmore involved in the hip-hop scene rightand I guess I want to I want to hearyour story behind then how you ended upwhere you are today mm-hmm so actually Icame to America 2007 and when I firstcame here how the[Music]came here as a just exchange studentmm-hmm I was gonna just study I wasgonna just learn English here and thegoal was just to learn English hmm andnothing about dance nothing abouthip-hop or nothing about what I do nowhmm because in Korea back in the daywhen I first started dancing and stuffpeople didn't really take this ascourier we didn't have much of jobsrelate to like hip-hop or dance anythingKorean b-boys were very popular backthen I mean still do but still it wasn'tlike their main job they had to worksomewhere else and pursue as a b-boy soit wasn't in my head that I could takethis as my career so it was locking notpopular in Korea definitely not okaydefinitely not popular how I got into itwas um it was type of kind of PE classlike you know you say here um cuzeducation is very important in Asiancountries in general yeah and we stay inschool like almost like 13 14 hours aday so and they put these PE classeslike one or two hours a weeknot even a like a week and I had tochoose indifferent activities and Ichose to learn dance so it wasn't evenlike locking it was just like dance ingeneral and when I first started takingthose classes I got to know aboutpopping and locking mainly so like Idon't even say I knew about hip-hop Iwas more like funk stylesso I was listening to funk musics Ididn't really listen to rap music untillike I came here so I was veryinterested in like funk music yes so youwere you you are introduced to funkmusic from the dancing classes that youtook yes because they'll play thosemusics to learn those foundationslocking foundations and poppingfoundation and was it a lot of likeAmerican funk or was it yeah yeah yeahwe did not we do not have funk musicKorea I think there's Korean funk nowthough yeah like now I mean like evenback then there was similarities but itwasn't for that yeah I guess it's blownup a lot more since you moved yes yesyes yes so that's how I got into it andso it was just in a way of hoppy likekind of way of kinda let the stress outyeah all those studying and staying inschool for how many hours studying inKorea sounds really crazy yes it'spretty intensemy high school we started 7 a.m. and weand like around 11 p.m. so what the heckso like it's pretty it's pretty intenseyou don't do anything except go toschool then pretty much but because it'sso competitive like some students wouldgo to like other places even study morewhat the heck so because it's reallyhard to get into universities andcolleges in Korea so that's just how itis now I know that's pretty crazy thingbecause I know how Americans are but youknow we only know what we have so I hadno idea that was pretty crazyyeah that sounds crazy to me I mean dangbecause typical school for an Americankidhigh school kid I guess we would startseven thirty or something and they wouldgo to like maybe three thirty orsomething you usually have six classesand there are all hour long and then youknow whatever break between them andwhatever we have like seven eightclasses to you know like classes arepretty similar but we just have to staythere to study your own that's crazyyes like they force you to study yourown man I would go home in high school Iwould just go home well I was doingmartial arts back then so I would gostraight to the studio take some classesor whatever or train and then I would gohome and do my homework as I watch TVand I mean like I half-assed all myhomework honestly but I got good gradesactually yeah but that lifestyle endsfor us around like 11 - oh reallylike that's that's it after that youhave to study but back into the topic sofor me because I was getting a lot ofstress you know like lifestyle in aKorean educational lifestyle so dancereally came to me as like outlet ofreleasing my stress mm-hmm so whether Iknew it or not it was becoming my in away my love because it was so stressfuland that was the only thing that I likedand those one hour two hours of a weekwas very special to mehmm so I just fed in love with thatwhole culture I didn't know what hip-hopwas at all and all I knew was just bumpstiles funk cultures so like my favoriteartists were like definitely James BrownBT Express you know like those oldschool school bandsgap band you know whatnotso and I thought America would love bunkstill - yeah so when I first came here20 years 30 years before that yeah yeahI got I had no idea was like back in thebase stuff like I thought people willstill love funk music people will stilldo the line dances you know like thosethose were my expectations yeah I meanpeople still do it but it's not as likebut not our age yes you know they areout there doing the whatever this shityeah yeah we can floss dance and stuffmm-hmmso that's that's how I got into in a wayof hip-hop but I wouldn't still sayhip-hop because um I was kind of gainstto 2007 modern hip hop's mmm so like Iwouldn't listen Lil Wayne out of listento jay-z like I wouldn't listen to themto me like James Brown is my you knowsyeah yeah yeah yeahso ya know I was actually the same way Iwas really into funk music - and a lotof the hip-hop I would listen to I waslike oh this it's cool like I like itbut there's something magical to the thefunk styles that actually influencedthese hip-hop artists I mean obviouslyhip-hop has its own magic behind it toobut it was just like I guess I mean whatdrew me into hip-hop was that you werelike making your own thing out of thispre-existing stuff that and you wouldget your inspiration from it and so Igot deep into like funk music soul musicand stuff and jazz music and so I wasreally into that and then a lot of thenew hip hop artists I was like I don'teven know who they are and so I didn'tstart listening to them till a littlebit later I mean I would listen to themoccasionally like jay-z Tupac and peoplelike that I used to be really big intoDell back then but yeah I mean I thatdefinitely came after the phone againstall kick that I was on mm-hmm and thatwas around like high school mm-hmmbut going back to like what you'retalking before you said that dance waslike a stress relief kind of thing foryou what yeah what do you think why doyou think that is like what about itrelieved the stress to youI think first because we didn't like Ididn't have much of activities likephysical activities so that's definitelylike main reason why it kind of likegave me a lot of freedom and likerelease he's like I'll be sitting downlike hours of day and that typical hourI cannot even sit you know like I haveto let it out and I have to like listento music and I had to basically move youknow so like that was definitely reasonwhy I think was that like the only timeyou got to actually listen to music no Iwill listen to Korean music so you knowlike now kpop is popular one that but Iwas listening to you know like when youstudy your own like you yeah yeah soyeah I will listen to music butphysically doing something with my bodywith music yeah that was differentyeah definitely it's yeah okay so yeahso it was I guess it yeah is thephysical activity mixed with this thismusic this hypnotic kind of like musicthat helped to relieve your stress andso did you do you think that that likeinspired your creativity to and that hadsomething to do with it um at the momentI did not know yeah but later now Ithink about it yes I think it did andthen it kind of like enhanced my likecreativity you know like my art form andwhatnot so like it you know it helped mea lot yeah I have like a theory thatthat music and I guess kind of tiprepetitive type sounds um it triggerssomething in our brains to make uslike turn off the thinking part of yourbrain and turn on the more likeinstinctual part of your brain which isto make you move usually you know likelike in instance of like you hear a bigsound you go and you run mm-hmm I thinkthat somehow repetitive music clicks onthat part of your brain but instead ofyou running and being scared or whateverit's like going oh no this isn't afearful time this is a time to becreative mm-hmm and so I think in thesame way that your instinct tells you torun it's now your instinct is tellingyou okay let we're not in danger anymorewe can do we can do some cool thingswith with our mind and our body to youknow hopefully like instill our survivalor whatever you know and so you know I'mnot some kind of scientist that knowsanything about this but that's just mytheory because it seems like thathappens to everybody you know wheneverthey are like painting or whateverwriting a lot of people will put onmusic and it just gets them into thisnew world where they can like shut off alittle part of their brain and turn on anew part of their brain yeah yeah youknow I guess just shut off what is itthe right side of your brain and turn onthe left side the mhmmm that's youranalytical side to your your artisticside mm-hmm so yeah I think somehow thatthat is involved with dancing and andwhy we're drawn to it it's like sosomewhat of a human instinct to want todo it yeah yeah you know you see littlekids dancing around doing that I don'tnotice your kid actually do that sheactually she actually dances she lovesmusic um you know like it's in theirblood it's in their blood her mybrother-in-law is music producer oh yeahso like we yeah we like shout out toRudi shout out the rule are you oh yeahwe yeah we try to feed her like goopmusics and like you know different dancemoves try to like show her differentdance moves andit's kind of amazing how this youngtoddlers they just move freely yeah youknow it's like amazing to see to methat's hip-hop when I see that cuz it'slike before hip-hop was even deemedhip-hop right before it ever had a namewhat was it it was people at like adance party just having fun yeah it waslike oh I like this part of the song orlike it looks like all the people anddanced for like this song let me playthat part of the song again dude it andthat's what a break was and then allthese people are just dancing and thenall of a sudden they just lose theirmind and jump on the floor and that wasbreaking yep and so when I see a littlekid do the same thing you know when Idon't know you know some song old townroad or whatever song on the radio andthe little kid starts dancing androlling around on the ground I'm likedude that is breaking right there that'ship-hop that's like we built up thewhole culture of breaking and hip-hopdance styles from that exact emotion Ilike seeing that and it seems to me likeit's the best argument that hip-hop islike is like a very deep instinctualthing for yeah human beings beings yeahso the next thing I wanted to talk toyou about is so like once you came toAmerica like how how did it feel comingto America and like integrating into ourculture and like what was thedifferences between here in Korea I knowyou talked about school and stuff butwhat else like cuz it seems like it'd bea huge culture shockit was definitely huge culture shock andI actually the first city I came herewas our Albarn in like yeah yeah yeahlike so which is kind of country townand like yeah like north of sack or soyeahokay it's in the mountain and I was likeliterally Olli like few Asians in thatwhole town oh yeah people freaked outseeing me back then like not a problemit's probably not because I saw thesushi restaurant in there I was likewhoa like people who eat agent food yeahyeah it was like it's changed but backthen it was pretty intensemmm like people like I wouldn'tunderstand why people stare at me likethat and like I didn't know it was kindof like I wouldn't say racism because Isay just because I was differentyeah I wouldn't say it was racist Ithink it's probably that because I wasdifferent yeah you just I mean cuz you Imean you might have been wearing yourcrazy Genie pants or something yeah youknow like they probably felt like I wassome type of clown you know like oh yeahmy fashion you know like how likedefinitely I didn't speak a word inEnglish oh that might go yeah so peoplejust but yeah I mean people in Auburn alot of them are kind of like morecountry type of people yeahmore rural they because it's a smallertown north east of Sacramento and youknow people people out there I guesshave kind of a slower lifestyle not notlike a city in style yet running aroundall the time it's like you know theythey'll have their big house somewhereand then you know go to work and stuffyeah but it's usually in the sea yeahhey yeah much as much love to my townthat's all I burn is a great pad is mytown much love I love I love Auburnactually well yeah it's it's to see youknow someone who looks like a kpop starwalking around they're kind of like ohwhat's going on that's good like yeahwhere's his horse so yeah um butdefinitely I learned how to enjoy likesmall things in life you know likewatching sunrise and sonsI never knew there was like such abeautiful thing I never knew that untilI got there hmm and like enjoying justlandscaping just little things in lifeis is there not a lot of them likenature type of areas in Korea we do wedo but I'm from like very busy citySeoul so okay so like our population islike crazy yeah as crazy it's like thebiggest city in yeah the population yeahpopulation is so crazy and lifestyle isjust so busy you know like I guess ifthat's all you've ever seen coming herewhere there's a lot more space you knowSacramento is kind of spread out anddefinitely when you go to Auburn it'seven more spread out yeah you know it'svery you know you it's not like a cityat all there's no buildings that aremore than two or three stone yeah yeahthat's what I loved about though like Icould really see the sky yeah I couldreally hear the birds sounds you knowlike those things kind of like open myeyes in a way those are the kind of goodparts and bad parts were like and yeahthese people will not accepting me yeswhat I was you know so I actually cameup with my English name because of thatbecause I had yeah Charlie I used tocall myself Charlie because I had traumalike if I say my name people will justinstantly react kind of like whoa whatis that what is that you know like whatis the Korean pronunciation like moonhang wouldn't hang that my full name ismoon hang Lee but hang like a lot ofpeople can't pronounce it's like I gottired of explaining like I do you knowwhat I'm gonna just go moon tell me thatyou that Lee is pronounced somethingdifferent and yeah yeah it's actually Eright yeah we we go by E and then we putlast name first so like my name is emoon hang but then here it changed toLee I don't know how like I don't knowi but you have to change it to Li huhand here I'm moon Lee yeah that's kindof weird so when you go to Korea it'slike you have a new identity or new likenames yeah names are completelydifferent so those little things oh andmy name being Korea horiuchi curt yeah Imean I guess whore you Chi cuz it's aJapanese name they're probably used tothat yeah Kurt I wouldn't I wouldimagine they would have troublepronouncing that because I know inJapanese they yeah now like Korea likewe we are very culturally open mm-hmm -especially American culture yeah yeah soyeah Kurt wouldn't be a problem okayKaruma be a problem oh no like aJapanese people call me cat oh becauseit the yeah the air is like kind of aweird sound yeah for them and doesn'treally exist in their language so soyeah so when you came to America you'rein Auburn and then you were dancingstill right or like or were you justworking at the sushi restaurant and youmay oh you meant surf boogie boogie yesshoutout to sir shoutout to cert boogieyeah so I wasn't like really dancing atfirst I was just going to school but uhmbecause of language barrier and becauseof you know like lack of humaninteraction I kind of got into depresseddepression hmm because you know like youwouldn't talk like I wasn't able to talkto human in general yeah it's like yaknow I can imagine that that's cut it'slike it's I mean it's kind of like howwhen my dog is like looking at me andshe tries to like tell me something Iknow my I don't know what your jobexactly dog probably is like crap that'sthe exact reaction I'll get from peopleyeah so and I didwant to hang out with my people likeKorea's oh did not want to speak Koreansin America yeah I was very strict onthat because I wanted to learn Englishand I wanted to that this culture asfully as possiblemm-hmm so so I kind of put myself in thesituation so I had to do something aboutitto get out of that depression mmmthat's when I you know started dancingagain on my own hmm so when was thatabout that was about like 2007 so thegap between starting and stopping it'sstopping in Korea and then starting backin America how long was that like I kindof stopped dancing because of you likeSAT back in Korea yeah so I had toreally focus on like studying okay so Istopped about an year in half you're inhalf I stopped and came back to came toAmerica so I'll say two years about twoyears I stopped and I was like this likeI have to do something and yeah Istarted dancing again on my own and yeahand I was a boss er because theywouldn't accept me as a server becausemy English wasn't good so I was bussingat this sushi restaurant and not in theOpera and Albarn didn't did not have asushi restaurant back then yeah theyprobably have one now but I don't theydo have they do have Asian food thereyeah so I had to like drive all the wayto Rockland and I used to work at thissushi restaurant and they kind of knew Iwas dancing this and that like in a wayand this customer came in and I guesssomeone told him that I was dancer andhe was like you know what I'll battleyou for your tip like that it's rudemean that's a hella rude right likethat's a hellbut to me it was like oh my god this islike real America I know you know like Iwatched the like you got served or likeall those real now I was like oh this isAmerica did you go and like put on yourvest and your glove because I had to gethat work later so I told him like a mybreak is in like an hour so I got waitright yeah I was like and then he wewent out there and then he played musicthrough his car yeah yeah and we juststarted battling and this was surfboogie right if this was surfing thewhite man the tall white man shoutout tosurf but then being a really great guyso after like you know like I think wedanced about like 20 30 minutes straightand then there was like one of craziestexperience in my life at the same timelike I never felt that happy in my lifelike I still remember how I feltyes I could not sleep that night becausehe was I was so happy about it dang sotight after the battle he was like oh mygod you're so dope obviously I did notunderstand what he was saying he saidnow I know but he was saying that likehow good I was and then he invited me tothis public performance with his crewyeah and it was a flexible flame yeahwhich was my crew which was your crewand which became my crew later yeah andbut there was a performance for MartinMartin Luther King Day yeah I stillremember that what was I there no youweren't there Convention Center andflexible Flav had a junior crewI forgot their names whose legendarylegendre's yeah yeah me and my brotherstarted that me my brother and a bunchof other people we started that crewyeah and eventually when we went toflexible Flav and thenand then yeah that crew continued on Ithink by the time you came there waslike a bunch of other people like Ithink we kind of revamped it and therewas a lot of people yes so like a youngyou know like junior crew it wasn'tmainly legendary steps not the flexibleFlav but we they put the Flexi Flav nameI think did Vince um did he put togetherthat show yes okay that's where I metVince yeah okay so I met bill wasn'tthere you weren't there huh you were notthere I mean I was going to UC Davis atthe time so I probably was so I metVince there and then I perform with thecrew flexible Flav and Vince was like sointerested in me Vince was veryinterested in me and then he was likewhy don't you come to our practice yeahyeah and that's how I like first startedmaking friends mm-hmm I still couldn'tspeak English but like I knew that heliked my dancing yeah people like mydancing so that's yeah that's how I knowI remember when you would come topractices you would just be like killingit like doing all your locking stuff andlike I don't know much about locking atthe time and so I would see you and Iwas like oh dang this guy's going offand I like I think I would walk up toyou and be like dude you're really tightand you'd be like yeah I know you likeyou know and then I think eventually youunderstood like what I was saying orlike or whatever I mean I don't know howsomehow we communicated it a little bitI mean it's probably just the languageof dance like yeah and you go oh you'redope and you're like I don't know whatdope means but then I go and I shakeyour hand you're like oh he probablymeans it I'm dope yeah it's it's verythat's pretty interesting about humanlike in erection yeah like you do notreally need language to communicate withpeople that is one thing I reallylearned through thethose moments yeah when you see someonego like ah during your like round thatprobably means that you dope youdefinitely understand who who'srespecting you and you definitelyunderstand who's disrespecting youwithout understanding language you knowso and because of dance and I'll sayhip-hop in general because we had verycommon interest mm-hmm so I think that'show I fell in love with hip-hop a lotbecause hip-hop he pop because ofhip-hop I could make my first friend inAmerica because of hip-hop I did notneed language to interact with humans sothere was very you know like literallylike Americans say hip-hop saved me yeaha little did that to me you know like Iwasn't in the ghetto but I was in likeyou know all that Bronx and all that butit literally saved me from gettingdepressed yeah no I can see that I meanI I feel like a lot of people would havethat same reactor they have a similarstory where hip-hop really did savetheir life whether they were actually inreal danger or they were just in a darkplace you know hip-hop does have thislike thing that it kind of just envelopsyour whole life and you're like it'shard to be in a in a bad mood while youare participating in it while you'redancing while you're like deejaying orwhatever like you're making art with youknow whatever things you're trying tomake art with it's hard to be mad atthat you're during during that so yeah Icould see how that would pull you out ofa bad place yeah and after that you knowwe made our own crew second nature andthat's everything how everything startedfor me yeah and so then when weonce we made second nature we were likeyou know our our mission was to likemake these show make really cool showsjust kind of pull in talents from allsorts of different places because youknow we all a lot of us all haddifferent styles right yes yes and thatwas like the the big thing that wewanted to make sure that we alwaysbecause we you know although we liked alot of those those groups that had kindof this one unit style like JA blockyshout out to them they have this stylewhere like you know it's Jabbawockeezmm-hmm they all like dance and it's hardto tell because they would all weartheir masks and it's like hard to tellwho's who because they're so in sync butfor us we were like let's uh let's tryto pull in all these different stylesand try to figure out how they blendtogether and make these make theseinteresting shows and so mm-hmm I thinkit was really fun to do that and Ireally I really miss doing that actuallyme tooI think we actually had that talk whenyou visit Vegas mm-hmm we definitely hadsomething going on with that you knowlike open minded people ya get togetherand try to be artistic yeah I think whatwas cool about it was that the vision wehad I guess the vision there wasn'tnecessarily like set in stone it waskind of like you'd have an idea andyou'd put it on the table and then Iwould have an idea and I'd put it on thetable and then Vince would have an ideaput it on the table and then somehow allof our brains just kind of clicktogether and then we just startcombining these ideas together and makesomething out of all of it and you knowand then that's what we would just ridewith that and then as we go more peoplewere throwing their input and stuff andwe would just take it off and we never Idon't think we we were good about kindof just saying let's just see whathappened yeah yeah we were really goodat that yeah just cause like sometimessomeone would have some wild-ass ideajust you I mean yeah I would have a lotof wild outside because I I tend to justsay like I might as well just say it andyou know basically throw the shit at thewall and hopefully you know I'm finewith throwing as much stuff as I have ata wall and if it all falls down it'sokay but if some of is good that's fineand so um I like to do that and so whenI would throw it out there sometimespeople would go like oh I wonder whatwould happen if we actually did mm-hmmgo somewhere sometimes though I thinkeverybody was really good about doingthat yeah yeah just thrown out therewild ass ideas mm-hmm and we were justall open-minded you know like we hadrespect I think that's what got usreally together yeah we suspect yeah Imean I think everybody in the group wasvery knowledgeable about their specificstyle of dance and they all everyone hada very creative they came from a verycreative place and so you know everyonewas open to these ideas and so we allwould just kind of roll with it yeah seewhat happens man yeah um so anyway solike with second natureeventually right you moved to Vegasright to do jabberwocky show mm-hmmright and so you did that for like ayear or so yeahso at first I because I was only likelocking dancer I didn't know any otherstyleI knew poppin a little bit yeahlocking and it wasn't really my my craftyou audition for those things yeah butum this one summer I think was summerVince had this ticket to be booedconvention in Las Vegas it was UBC rightyes yes that's mr. Frieza thinks thatsays yeah and Diane Diane Keaton Moreauuhremember her name but she got us ticketsand Vince was like um you want to go toVegas and I was like sure you know andit was actually close to my end of mytime being in America so like I justwanted to experience different things sowe went cuz your green card was runningyeah because of my visa was recentlyyeah and so I'll said yes and then wedrove down to LA and then we auditiondifferent things that was my firstaudition in like America like industryauditions and I experienced differentthings there and then we went to Vegasand Jabbawockeez performed at ubc mmmand okay this was driving around Vegasand I was like I told Vince a bitchstill remembers this moment tooI told Vince that hey I think this iswhat I want to do like danceI think dance is what I want to do and Idon't know how but I really want toperform here Vince remembers that yeahyeah and I told him that and year laterI think year later there was a ditionfor Jabbawockeez cuz they were gettingtheir first resident show as a hip hopcrew in Las Vegas yeah this was likemaybe two years after they they won thatABB show yeah yeah Erika's Best DanceCrew yeah there's the first season Ithink yeah they were the first winnerthey they were the first winner and sothey were making a lot I mean they hadnewly found popularity among like crowdsoutside of Dance c'mon the dancecommunity and so they were sitting up alot of stuff and then yeah getting aresident show in Vegas right and youwere one of the people that auditionedfor that yeah so I auditioned for justfor experience and luckily I got pickedand then I got picked to play a mainrole so I got to playtheir main role in Las Vegas and thatkind of put me as a first Korean to playmain role in Las Vegas and that's kindof how I started my career I think soafter playing main role in their showthey trusted me enough to give me a 30to run the whole theater because thatmoment we were getting offered inAustralia and East Coast as well so wehad to prepare for three different showswith three different cast yeah so theyyeah they trust me to run so they prettymuch gave me the theater Montecarlo backthe Monte Carlo theater now that it's apark MGM and we had about 1,500 seats wewere performing about seven shows a weekand we did that about here yeah we didthat about a year and yeah there wasthat just opened my eyes yeah that justopened my eyes to it and they moved toLuxor and that's when I kinda like umstopped not stopped dancing I was stilldancing but I was doing the morebusiness side of them so I was in themanagement side of the company and I wasthat's when I learned a lot aboutbusiness because you know millions ofdollars are just moving in front of myface yeah yeah that's where I learnedyeah was any of that flowing into yourpocket I'm like millions of dollarsthey're not gonna miss this one millionno no it's just you know I was a salaryno it was you were seeing the hugesuccess of the Jabbawockeez show likeblowing up because at around thattime it was like the Jabbawockeez had somuch fame you know little kids weredressing up as them for like Halloweenand stuffing it was like a culturalphenomenon at that time and so they hadthis show that was just blowing up andso I went from like a crew of peoplethat were you know basically dancing ata studio in in Sacramento and variousother places in California to like thisshow that was you know how many shows anight like right now I believe they'redoing ten shows a night at MGM right andthey were filling out their crowds sothere's tons of money coming here so itwas like a huge probably like businessshocked yes like oh dang we can we havewe can pull in money like that yes Iliterally so cuz they had a like threedays deal it was just it was supposed tobe three days performing but it becameten years contract with MGM so I sawthat whole progress in front of my faceyeah that's crazy so and yeah like theygave me opportunity to learn and trustme toorunning yeah for them so big shout outto Jabberwocky shout-out to JabbawockeezI would put a mask on right now but Idon't have a mask yeah when I get a maskdo you have a mask yeah I do I still Istill have masks that I were in the showdo you ever you ever just put it on likeat home and just like look at yourselfin your handsome fellowyeah Jabbawockeez open my eyes changedmy career and taught me a lot of thingsthey're still my mentors yeah they'restill my mentors whenever I strugglewith this you know like I go to them andtalk to them and whatever I can do forthem I'll gladly do yeah yeah yeah andthey're still doing their shows outthere and yeah they're they're stilldoing amazing they just finishedto worry in China or Japan they'repreparing new show in at MGM um they'rejust you know working yeah working veryhard yeahso after Java you went to do the Cirqueshow which is Michael Jackson yeah andso how what was that like cuz that waslike a brand-new thing just like thatCirque was trying to put on in Vegas andso you were like the first the first youknow group of people to like come to thedo that show right they had actuallycreation members okay so I was kind oflike I was one of first people to jointhe crew other than creation member okayso they created show in Montreal Canadaoh and then they did like ear before Ijoined okay and then they you know lateand then they moved it yeah change somecast and then that's when I joined andbrought you in and then evolved the showto what it is now yes yeah and you werehow you helped with the evolutionprocess right in a way but I wouldn'ttake too much credit for Cirque duSoleil because um a lot of things werecreated before I joined and because it'sa big corporation there's not a lot ofroom for me to change thingsoh I see because there's a lot of likeyou know contracts and rules and youknow that's one thing about working atJabbawockeez and working at Cirque it'sa big difference because Jabbawockeez Ireally took the ownership and I care Iguess because I the way I look at itit's like Cirque a lot of that comesfrom like circus like right it comesfrom an actual circus like establishedI don't know what how to call it butwhereas Java was like it came straightfrom like a dancer hip-hop community andso you had these people that werealready they're very creative and they'dlike to collaborate with each other tomake something whereas like I feel likethe circus mentality was more like theyhave they do the creation and then theyhave the performance and then they pullin all the talent and they go okayhere's what it ismhm so Cirque du Soleil and has verystrict rules and like still nowadays ourshow and beetles love there's a showcalled beetles love by Cirque de Soleilthose are the two main shows that hasdance is there like main thingso using dancers are still very new toto settle yeah so they don't really havethat dancer culture and then so theystill they're still trying to build thatculture in it especially with our show alot of hip-hop dancers are in it sothat's where like they're still tryingto figure things out feel it feels likeit yeah that's yeah so yeah a lot of newculture a lot of new things for them tooand yeah I'm just part of it and what doyou think about how they've embracedhip-hop do you think they're doing it ina good way or like it do you think it'sgood for the culture the way they'reembracing it or do you wish that theymaybe like did something a little bitdifferent or like what do you think in Iguess from the standpoint of like thebest thing for the hip-hop culturemm-hmm I don't think not yet theyinfluenced that much in hip-hop cultureokaybecause cert is just trying to takesomething and change too in the intotheir culture because lay isself is a big culture you know likeclown you know so sir it's a circus andthen they're saying I'm gonna pull inthis dance element into what we alreadydid exactlywhereas Jabba is dance job I see popyourself in yeah yeah and they'repulling in you know whatever into thatshow but it's just it's dance yeahthat's what it is okay so I think um Iknow I don't know if I can talk about itright nowoh yeah you don't have to talk about itif there's some kind of NDA or whateveryou got but I don't work for Soto slaveforever so I might just say it um I knowthey're working on making hip-hop showokay a Cirque du Soleil that's right yaknow but I don't know how that's gonnaturn out to be honest yeah uh I mean Iguess the way that I look at it is likethey have a big platform to and a lot ofeyes on it that probably don't knowanything about hip-hop mhm and so when Ilook at it and I go okay well they'reintroducing people into hip-hop mm-hmm Ithink that's a good thing and I thinkmaybe the there's ways they could maybedo it better and I'm not speaking aboutsort specifically but I know thatthere's there's good ways to do that andmaybe like less good ways but I thinkoverall it's good that hip-hop is beingintroduced to peoplemm-hmm I wouldn't say it's it's bad inany way but so I think it's at least astep in the right directionmm-hmm to have a hip-hop show cuz likeyou know when if someone who had no ideawhat hip-hop is goes in to see the showand they go oh what is that theywouldn't have had that initial interestif they hadn't experienced thatmm-hm and so I'm hoping that you knowsay like you know 50% of the people thatwalk into the show go oh wow what isthat and then 10% of that go to look upactually what it is or maybego take a hip hop class mm-hmm and thenthey start learning more about it that'slike getting you know 5% of the peoplethat were introduced you know into thereal kind of hip-hop scene that so Ithink it's a good thing and then the andthen the 50% of people that saw it andthen didn't you know didn't necessarilylook into it or take a class there atleast familiar with it someone they'dsee it again in their life they're likeoh I remember that that's this thingthat I saw in Vegas or whatever mm-hmm Iwonder what that is it seems to like bemore prominent now especially like youknow if they see like breaking in theOlympics which is coming in like fouryears or whatever they're gonna see thatagain and going oh wow that's cool Iwonder what's up with that and then youknow I think more and more people getexposed to it a certain percentage ofthem are gonna be interested in itinterested in the the I guess the thedeep underground scene of what it is youknow get like deeply involved in it Ihope I hope it does you know I hopepeople actually think that they you knowbut as you know like you know ourgenerations it's really hard to get deepinto something yeah that's kind of how Ifeel like you know it is and I thinkthat's maybe because there's not a lotof resources to jump into it right likeso if if I went to a Vegas show and Isaw you locking in you know in your inMichael Jackson's show and I go ohthat's cool what is that and then I goon to YouTube and I you know I don'tknow what locking is so I type inMichael Jackson dance you're probablynot gonna find locking you know what Imean you're gonna probably find a lot ofcool dancing and stuff so I think ifthere's more resources out there so thatwhen someone who does see that like sayat the Michael Jackson's show and thenthey do like some you know search someI'll call it naive search of what it isthey're able to find what the real stuffis so when they type in Michael Jacksonand then they see someone who goes likeoh here's the dance that was in theMichael Jackson show this is actuallycalled locking boom they see it oh youknow who else here's some history oflocking here's Don Campbell lock here'sall these you know all these otherpeople and stuff and here's like somebattles that happen a month ago you knowhere's a scene here's you know whateverso it kind of pulls you down the rabbithole so I think maybe it's hard to getdown the rabbit hole at the moment but Ithink we're getting to that point thoughit's happening I think you know with ageof the Internet mm-hmm there'sdefinitely resources on the Internetyeah but how easy they are to find Idon't know I think it's getting harderto find to me you do yeah because thereare too many 20 informations and yeahthere's not a lot of regulations of thatyou know like there's a yeah there are alot of people that'll go in there andsay this is the real things and they'relike yeah this is locking in it's like Ithink that's just you know having aseizure but yeah going back to that um Idon't know I can't really tell about howCirque de Soleilum influencing hip-hop culture ingeneral but it's influencing hip-hopdancers for sure it's opening a lot ofdoors um we're making good money mm-hmmwith the great benefit you know that'sit's literally heart like impossible toget as a dancer yeah like having it wasunheard of ten years ago yeah in it wasunheard of like it never happened memore dance as a hip hop dancer was notany career you could do it was a hobbyYeah right now it's a career mmm andlike I mean I'm not big fan of 401 K butuh-huh getting a 401 K as a hip hop yeahthat's crazy dude yeah like it's crazyno yes that's insane because it's it'stotally unheard of yeahand for before now mm-hmm so itdefinitely influencing hip-hop dancersin very positive way Joseopen a lot of doors and you know a lotof dreams a lot of young people can likeargue their parents hey mom I can makethem as many yeah yeah yeah who did thiship-hop thing yeah and I'm hoping themore and more hip-hop hip-hop dancegets into the forefront of the communitythat it becomes more of a viable careermm-hmm beyond that like I'd like to seeit we're dancers hip-hop dancers getrecognized as like legitimate athletesyes because that's what they are I meanI think they're more than just athletesbecause it's obviously the focus of itis the creatives behind it so it's likethey're there are buses and and athletesand so much more I mean it's but yeahthe the recognition yes it's not quitethere and it's definitely not where itcould be mm-hm so I'm excited to seebreaking in the Olympics because I thinkthat that's maybe a step in the rightdirection because like I look at it asif if if breaking is like skateboardingwhich I think it very it is very similarit's like a mm-hmm it's a countercultureyeah I think that's the closest thingyeah skateboarding was just like we gotthis board with wheels and I figured outhow to do these cool tricks with it andthen a bunch of other kids picked upskateboard and they started doing thesame cool tricks and then eventuallypeople saw it and was like oh those arecool tricks I want to see more of it andthen it spread around through littlelike VHS tapes all you know all aroundthe country and so more people more andmore people were seeing it and they'relike oh cool this is something cool andthen you you get some like legitcelebrities like Tony Hawk that you knowkind of make the make it blow up youknow and they get the X Gamesstuff and that's kind of where he got alot of his fame from but you know theyget the X Games and so now it was onlike more public platform mm-hmm so morepeople saw and it just blew up to thepoint where there's like video games andstuff and I think breaking has the samekind of appeal to it yes I think hip-hopdance has a lot has the same kind ofappeal to it people see it and they'llgo you know that is really cool I likewatching it I don't know what it is butlet's let's keep watching it I want tosee some competitions of it you know andso then that's where like the Olympicscomes in or like the X Games or whateverI mean I don't know what that looks likein the future but it seems like it'sforming in that direction where it's notjust some underground thing it's more ofa publicly respected art form and yeah Imean almost like a sport I would say youknow it's said I think it's very similarto skateboarding and a lot of otherextreme sport yeah and and mixed martialarts yeah you know they both I think allthose things started out very likeunderground it was just like a smallcommunity was into it and they allstarted like more more people startedgetting involved in it in it I think thewhole scene got their self together toform like a sport a legitimate sport andI think that that's what breaking isgoing towards right now and I'm hopingthe other hip hop dance styles startdoing the same thing and we see itemerge as like this legit sport I knowthere's a big debate in the communitylike is is it okay that we call it asport because it's it's an art formabove everything yeah for sure but in away it's different than an art form -yeah typical like the way I look at artI mean art can be anything but like ifwe were talking about painting rightnothing in the painting culture is likelike competitive out saying you knowother than oh I want to you know getthis grant or whatever to do thiscertain art work but like in hip-hopdancing there's always been thiscompetitive nature too like a battlesomebody right mm-hm and so in a waythat does put it into a sport categorytoo because you know that I would saythe difference between it is thecompetitive nature right in competitiveis a sport and that something that's notcompetitive is maybe more of an art formbreaking sits somewhere in between thattoo and so we don't want to lose wedon't want to lose art form to become asport yeah but you you got to also admitthat there's some sport qualities to itso I'm interested to see where it endsup yeah I'm very interested like I'mvery interested in how they're gonnajudge yeah you talk to a lot of people alot of b-boys on this podcast actuallyabout how the judging is gonna gobecause I mean I don't know we're at anhour right now we can talk about thisactuallyum so like cuz when I look at it thejudging goes like this normally you havelike three judges or five judges orwhatever and they go they watch thisbattle and they go okay I like that guyyeah it's more personalyeah and it all comes down to like theirsubjective opinion about that and so nowwhen you go to like the Olympics orsomething they're they're gonna requiresome criteria yeah so yeah you you knowyou as a judge you voted that way butwhy and then you go oh well he he showedmore musicality he showed morefoundation he showed more dynamicswhatever you want to say and then theygo but how do you quantify that exactlyand then I think it all breaks down atthat point it's like okay wellI say his was better than his but wheredid you call like what's the quantityyeah but what like so I gave this guyfive points I gave that guy four pointsfor his let's say dynamics okay but whymm-hmm it all breaks down from therebecause then you go okay well he didthis freeze a little bit sharper thanthat guy mm-hmm and then you go but thisguy's freeze was different from hisfreeze so you're comparing apples tooranges rightand then he go okay well yeah maybe hisfreeze was a little more difficult hiswas sharper but he also did it into thisother movie and it's like yeah butyou're still comparing apples to orangesso everything breaks down at that pointbecause now it just goes to this yoursubjective opinion about yeah about thedanceyeah I personally I like that that's apart of the judging that you get thesejudges and they go I I like this morethan this just as a dancer because it'sit's it's fun for me to watch thiscompared to that and so in the judge injudging I don't want to lose that but Ialso want to be able to quantify it sothat it makes sense to other people thatdon't understand it yeah and so on thison the on the Olympics platform I don'tknow how you do that and I've beentalking to a lot of people and I don'tthink anybody has really figured out agood way to do that yeah I don't thinkanybody has figured it out yeah you knowand so the thing the thing that I'vebeen telling a lot of people that I thatmaybe is how you got to do it is you sayokay well we have we have this let'scall it bias you know each judge isgonna have their own bias towardscertain thing yeah and it all comes downto what they like and what they don'tlike we don't want to lose that aspectso let's just say okay that counts ussomethingbut we don't want to have one judgecompletely dictated because they havethis bias because we're gonna we'regonna embrace that there's a bias butlet's also let's also get more judges tohelp weed out bad biases you know what Imean and so my thought is that insteadof three judges instead of five judgeslet's say you had twenty judges rightand they all give their opinion they'reall from different areas different erasor whatever you know they all have theirdifferent opinions about it and themajority of them say this guy won overthat guy won I think that meanssomething especially when you look atwhat we're like braking and hip hopdance started from it started as like acompetition between two people at like adance party and what were you trying todo you were trying to outshine the guyyou're going against yep by showing offessentially and who are you showing offto you're showing off to your opponentobviously but also to the crowd you weretrying to get a good crowd applause somy thought is that if your crowd now isa lot of knowledgeable judgesyou're staying true to the history ofhip-hop still and you're not losing thisimportant opinion and art creative basedjudging but you're also weeding outopinions that aren't the minority maybemmm-hmm maybe there's some more problemsthat come along with that I don't knowthere there could easily be that becauseyou know I think there are legitimateparts of the dance that go as like anunder underdog kind of opinion but theydo matter so a lot of those might notshoot up to the forefront of it but Iwould say if you're getting if you'repulling judges a lot of judges from youknow unique places in the dance you'reat least you're at least getting a goodsample of everything that the cultureto offer and then you know allowing thatto choose the winner I think maybethat's the most honest way to do it Idon't know if regular Olympics fan oryou know people who watch the Olympics Idon't know hip-hop would understand thatthat's my question too but I'm hopingthat there's some way to like explainthat to them that the individuality thecreativeness inside this is veryimportant and that is why the judgingsystem is set up in this way that's notas quantitative as other sport otherOlympic sports such as like gymnasticsor like you know whatever martial artsthere's basketball or whatever so yeahthat's ongoing discussion we can talkabout it all day long all day long yeahI mean I've talked to so many peopleabout it and yeah we're all kind of wethrow out our ideas and we don't reallyknow what's gonna happen but I'm hopingthat they have a good community ofpeople that are contributing to whatthey're gonna do for that and I'mexcited to see what happens yeah I'mhoping that pop culture gets thatrecognition and publicity and risk backfrom like you know this word yeah but Idon't know if I'm a big fan of thatbecoming an Olympic mmm category yeah Idon't just to me just personally it just- it seems out of place in the Olympicsto me exact but I don't want to hate onit yeah it's a good opportunity it isgreat opportunity and it's it's it'sshowing me that the Olympics is growinginto a new into new things now you knowI think breaking maybe makes more senseI mean it's its own thing but it seemsmore like something in the X Games to meyeah but even that isdifferent - it's it's hard to place itwhere it is but I take I'll take what wecan get to be honest yeah and and makedo you know make make it into somethinggood and maybe maybe it does a coupleyears in the Olympics and then it goessomewhere else but I think that it's agood opportunity to show that breakingand hip-hop is ready for it something onthis scale and the community welcomes ityeah which I'm hoping the rest of thecommunity does welcome it and doesn'tjust straight-up hate on it I thinkthere's a lot of people that do heythere's a lot of people hating on ityeah yeah and I think they have goodarguments for it yeah I definitelyrespect those opinions deal becausethey're looking at it saying like thisis an underground thing we don't want tolike get rid of the underground rawnessof it yeah and I agree with that toobecause like that's that's one of themain things that I love about it is thatyou know what drew me into it was thatthis was something that you knowbreaking is breaking in hip-hop is justthis counterculture of stuff you know inmy life everyone's telling me do this dothis do this and do this and then Ifound breaking and they were like oh youdon't need to do that what you just didis cool how about you just go with thatand just keep playing with that andwe'll see what happens with that youknow so it was encouraged to just trydifferent things you know so that's whatbrought me into it cuz I was it was oneof the only things in my life that youcould just say you know fuck everythingI this is me I can do what I want hereand then yeah I don't know there's not alot of things I think in this world thatyou can do that with but it's likedefinitely encouraged in the hip-hopworld to just say yo we we like you soput you into everything you do mm-hmm soanyways I think we're hitting this yephour and fifteen minutes or so is thereany last things you want to say I thinkwe talked a lot about some interestingyeah we went definitely out of planthere's no yeah it was very interestingconversation um I don't know if you arelistening to this and you like Iliterally started like I never thoughtI'll be an industry dancer yeah I neverthought I would qualify for that umbut wherever you are just working hardand do what you can do the best alwaystake you somewhere else then you thinkyou can mm-hmmso it definitely did that to me hmm so Iwill encourage those people who kind ofdoubt yourself yeah cuz that's notreally that's not that's really not it Ibelieve what you can dream of you canactually accomplish so it's all aboutbelieving yours yes and just you knowyou know having the vision for it ormaybe even not the full vision buthaving something yeah just yeah goingand moving towards ya you know and evenif you move a little bit away from it ortake the step in the wrong direction youknow this is not this is not a race thisis a journey so yeah see own yeah sofeel feel free to adventure around andand but you know don't don't let thefear of it keep you from taking thatstep yep and be open-minded beopen-minded open-mindedness is importantI mean that's what hip-hop is isembracing the open mindedness of it andand I think every hip hopper would sayyeah the hip hop is about being you it'snot about being this other guy in factit's discouraged to try to be somebodyelse it's that you know you're a biteryou know your copy or your opposedif you're doing that right we want tosee what you are so mm-hmmtake take your you know your your ownpersonality put it into everything youdo and and I think if you do that thenyou are doing it correctly you know nomatter what the result of it is you'redoing it right that's that's the rightway to do hip-hop yeah that's it dopeman well thank you for coming on here Ithink this was a great conversation doyou have any where people can reach youthey want to reach out not yetno I kind of disappeared online cuz Iwas kind of big on like social media nointernet but I kind of wanted to checkif I could leave without it so I deletedyeah yeah yeah I deal with all that andI'm totally fine I think I feel you onthat because social media and stuff getscrazy and like about five years ago Iwas the same way I just like I gotta cutmyself off of this yeah and once I did Ididn't miss it at all mm-hmm the onlything I really use pretty often isFacebook because like my family and alot of my friends are there and so I cancommunicate with them but I'm not onthere getting involved in all the likediscussions and stuff it's more likeit's more like you know someone hits meup on there and says hey there's anevent going on oh cool I'll see if I goyeah that's about it for me right nowyou know so you can't really find mewell I found you somehow somehow andglad you came because this was a greatconversation so thank you for coming andthank you guys for listening and camerajust turned off so it looks like it'sdone with this shit too so see you guyslater peace[Music]you[Music]you[Music] 

Quang Bang, a true Renaissance bboy, discusses his various interests, his infamous alias "the push Up Guy", and jokes around with a herb. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by child support areyou a deadbeat parent that hates herchildren and would rather buy easy thanpay your child support or maybe youenjoy seeing your children grow up to bemutated monsters because you couldn'tafford a nutritious meal since you spenttheir child support on new rims for yourFord Focusor maybe you receive child support fromyour child's other responsible parentbut instead of buying your children warmclothes you decided to buy a grill wellI'm here to tell you you should open upfavorite Maps app on your new smartphonepurchase with your children's food moneyand locate the nearest sewer treatmentplant once located to get into your newBMW purchase with your children'sclothes money and navigate to thedestination once they are slip into yournew silk swim suit purchase with yourchildren's medicine money take a dip inthe fecal infested water and contract anincurable disease a responsibleseparated parents please remember to payyour child support in full and on timefor more information please contact yourlocal governing body and now on to theshow[Music]in today's episode I sit down with atrue renaissance man he is one of thesmartest most thought-provoking creativehardworking and hilarious individuals Iknow I met him in college as a b-boy andhave been good friends with them eversinceI can literally talk and joke with thisguy forever so please enjoy the episodewith the one and only queen bang helloeverybody welcome to the travelingtrashcan bonanza today we are meetingwith some interesting people and we'regonna try to get them to say racistthings in any evidence I see todayhandsome a gentleman a scholar a dancera breaker a published author an upperbody built a finger tug in e-commercetycoon and lastly a porn star I have thename for it he's playing bang mr. QuinnBing in the flesh so I just wanted toput this out there me and Kurt we'retalking for 45 minutes and said I forgotto press record we're doing this allover again so I hope it seems organicyeah I'm splicing terrible the terribleaudio quality if this shit sucks youknow actually when you were when youwere doing thatwhen you're when we're talking I waslike interesting that the record buttonis green and then I realize when youpressed it I was like oh I guess it'snot supposed to be green it's supposedto be red that's freaking terriblethat's a fail oh my god um anyway so Igot my friend Kwang Bing here who is avery multi-talented guy very creativeguy very motivated guy and I want to askhim a few questions but first did I missanything when I was introducing youbecause you do a lot of thingsoh yeah well day job I'm a sleazy salesperson so I swindle people out of theirmoney hmmyeah have you ever swindled me out ofhahaha the I have I well I can't thinkthat a specific example I can't I'm sureyou have um here's an interestingquestion yeah so we're both b-boys whatis your take on b-boying entering theOlympics I think it's really cool it'sis really validating because these wewere talking about this in the otherpodcast that wasn't recorded it takes alot of fucking work and then it amazesme that some people so many peopleinvest so much of their time doing thisbecause it's dangerous you don't getpaid very well and so it's like rewardthem give them something give them theOlympics but but what was your it wasyour opinion because I think youmentioned that you don't agree with youoh no no I I think okay cool I do thinkthat it well my biggest thing on it isthat for it to be in the Olympics youneed to have like a good way of judgingit right and I think right now there'snot really a good way of judging itother than I mean coz what we doessentially is line up a bunch of peoplethat have been breaking for a longperiod in their life and say these guysopinions matter point to who you thinkwon this battleyeah in the battle is like three roundsback and forth so two people doing theirmoves or whatever I I don't know thatjust to me doesn't pass the sniff testin terms ofhaving good criteria to judge on wordslike the Olympics you know or likereally anything any sport NBA combatsports there's always like some kind ofcriteria you can judge on mmm I feellike breaking there's not because saylike I'm battling you and we do we havecompletely different styles and say youkill it and I kill itneither of us flop both of us probablydo equally hard moves what happens whohow do you vote like you know reallywhat's gonna come down to this judgesays oh I like his style more so I'mgonna vote for QueenI like Curt style more I'm gonna votefor him and then you have this you knowdivided judging panel and then one of uswins and then you say well why did I winand he lose and they go I like yourstyleand that's really it and it's like Ithink when you have when the judgingsystem really breaks down when you getto that point yeah it works well on thelower tier where you got someone who'sgood and someone who's bad and the badperson is just crashing yeah it's likethat's the universal criterias if youcrash you lose right so it makes sensethere but when you get to this higherlevel it just doesn't make any senseanymore yeah it is really hard becauselike gymnasts they're like they have aroutine already so you can tell ifthey're messing up any other likeOlympic sport it's very very clear-cutbut when you're talking about dancingit's like well I don't know it's kind oflike well I like this move better well Ilike this move better and so you can'treally and whatever they're dredging islike can you really fault them forwhatever their opinion is yeah I meanyou get that all the time where you havea battle and then Rob this guy was Robthis guy was robbed and your reason wasoh well I just like the other guy yeahyeah well can you really grab yeshow do you really define it ya know Imean cuz ultimately breaking is an artform right yeah and so I guess if youlook at it if you compare it to anotherart form like painting yeah you make apainting I make a painting we're bothequally skilled artists right somejudges are coming and looking at it theymight go oh I like the wake wing usedbrushstrokes on this in on this paintingyeah and then another guy goes oh but Ilike the way Curt use color on this yeahboth of those opinions are valid Yeahrightand they might they might you know theguy that liked my color use looks maybelooks at yours and goes oh yeah hedidn't quite hit the mark for me fromcolor use and maybe the guy that'sjudging you that likes your brushstrokeslooks at me and goes oh yeah Curt didn'treally do brush strokes on them hedidn't use those to his advantage yeahthat's also a valid point so now youjust got this criteria that doesn'treally make any sense I think yeah so Ithink that's where I'm at with Olympicsis you're trying to turn it into a sportyeah when it's really an art form so andI don't think that you that it's a badthing that you're they're trying to dothat and I think it's just a difficulttask to do because you're you knowyou're gonna what you what you have todo is essentially turn breaking intosome kind of gymnastics like thing mhmso what the what gymnasts have done islike for the for the floor routinethey'll go okay this is the moves thatwe're gonna do on the floor routine andyou're gonna judge us on that yeah andyou know each move gets a certain amountof points and you know then they gotthis clear score in the end you know andthen if they flop or anything they getdeductions for that so there's a clearscore at the end of the routine thatthey can get and then the next personcomes in they'll have a completelyunique routine too but then they alsogive the routine to the judges they gookaywe reviewed the moves you're gonna dothis is your possible score and you knowthen they're just judging on deductionsand stuff after that Sam goddamn howcould you do that would be that's my metsweaty right yeah um so I was likejudging it in the way of gymnastics Ithink is out the door so now what aboutjudging it in terms of like combatsports because in a way breaking issimilar to combat sports - becauseyou're going against an opponent you'rereacting to them you're also reacting tothe environment how do you do that Imean in combat sports a lot of it is youknow they'll judge on like the aggressorthey'll judge on how many like strikeshit or like a takedown or like someonegets knocked down each of those thingsis worth like some kind of point systemI don't know how you do that in breakingthough right like maybe maybe somewherein between the gym gymnastics and combatsports is where you do it but I reallydon't know how to mix that and so Ithink a lot of people have tried to mixit yeah and haven't got anywhere with itso yeah because even the point systemsin like all right it's like there's anunderlying bias on all of them rightit's like what do you think of the r16scoring yeah so that's Dizzy's yesscoring system shout-out to dizzy cuz Ithink he's doing a lot for this scene Ithink he's he's making his way towardsthe system because he's saying here'sthe criteria it's yeah I think he saysfoundation battle dynamics creativitymusicality creativity and musicalityyeah so each of those sound like goodcriteria for judging but the underlyingbias is that every b-boy to be a beatgood b-boy you have to have all that butmaybe not yeah see that's my that'swhere I differ because I think to myselflike do you sometimes I think you canhave an amazing round and do nofoundation I don't necessarily think youhave to do foot worker in yeah yeah yeahright well yeah so like how do youdefine each of those categories likehere's a good example um Susie Rock mhmI love this dude style I would say I'veseen some rounds from him where they'renot particularly dynamic but they'rejust like amazing they're just amazingrounds he's just like such a good dancerhe's just he knows how to work the crowdso based on that r16 judging system hisdynamics wouldprobably be low mm-hmm his musicalitywould be high and you know againstsomebody else maybe they don't score aswell you know I would think he's theclear winner but I think the system kindof breaks down when it's you know yougot a guy who's who's like that and thena guy who's completely different andthey're scoring like really high onthese thingsit's like how are you determining who'sbetter I mean in a way he uz rock isdoing some kind of dynamic stuff withhis musicality man right so does thatbleep you know how does that bleed intoeach other those two criteria I don'tknow yeah and then also what is goodwhat is good dynamics and what is baddynamics I think that's that comes downto a subjective opinion on it and samething with all the other categorieswhat's good foundation with badfoundation yeah right because itinherently uses bias the way you thinkbecause like you may come up with acertain series of moves combos and I youmight think it's cool by things like Iwell I could have thought of that yeah Idon't want to name any names here butpeople were like it's like I don't getwhy this guy's so popular like yes Idon't think it's that creative like Idon't think yes my mind blowing and it'sman like what so it's like at that pointsystem I mean I just inherently it'sjust difficult to do well you know theother thing is like the the the categoryof creativity I I mean I can I can thinkof a situation where someone would scorehigh in creativity but don't deserve itso think of somebody who bit Oh moveright from some unknown guy but nowthey're doing it on this huge stage soyeah in a way this is the first time theworld has ever seen this move but thisguy bid heats he took the move fromsomeone else he stole it he didn'tcreate the move at all now he's scoringhigh in creativity mm-hmm but he's notcreative he stole the movie bit so hewas rewarded for biting right uh youknow I I personally have a problem withthat name some names Kurtwing ding oh no it was me all along J sothis is really sanity his own brother sothis is an intervention you just wantedto bring me on to the showstop call me buddybit your name I don't utter okay thiswas in the other podcast so my fingertutting name is Quang bang and thenthere's actually a Glover name Quangbang and then I posted in this groupleveling Glover's lounge and I was likeoh cool I'm posting my my video and thenone of the comments was like hey there'salready a quayne bang how's it all surehe's like a billion times better than metoo yeah but you can do push it so ohyeah the push-up guy he's the push umOh was I saying about the Olympics umyeah so like the the criteria forcreativity kind of breaks down when itwell I guess a good judge on creativitywould have to have seen everybody andwhat they're capable of and know exactlywho's biting and who's not so which isnot a reasonable thing to ask of a judgecuz they're obviously not going to do beable to do that so but I do thinkcreativity is a big important thing tobe judging on in breaking something it'sjust I'm not against the r16 judgingsystem I just think that there's a lotof ways that it breaks down and doesn'tquite work for what we want breaking tobe but I guess in the Olympics though ifit like imagine it became its own thinglike hypothetically if maybe you saidbiting is okay yeah and then they wentinto this realm and then you're judgingon that andnow you're you're kind of like you'returning this artform into a sport whereyou're saying okay now you have toadhere to these specific rules and thatand that lets you compete in here so Imean the thing I can think of is maybelike skating how skating used to bewhere it's just like the Wild West backin like the 80s yeah and when it startedbecoming like a actual sport theystarted really defining what you do youknow and then it kind of branched outfrom Street skating and vert skating andso I mean I guess both of those are havetheir own competitive worlds but um in away I think breaking will do that whereyou it'll somehow turn into streetbreaking and competitive breaking maybemm-hmm where the street breaking is justkind of more of like what we do nowwhere it is maybe the wild west and yeahand you're you're presenting it's Iguess this it's more of the art form ofit and in the competitive world is moreof the sport world of it man I think PBSwould hate that I think you always willhate yeah but again I'm I don't thinkI'm necessarily against it right I justthink that as it stands breaking doesn'twork as a sport and so putting it in theOlympics I think there's a lot of workahead of everybody to get it to thatlevel or to get it to a point where itcan be easily judged and people and alsopeople watching would be able tounderstand what's going on because Imean imagine you don't know anythingabout breaking and then I have a judgingpanel of 10 people and then I go thatguy wins mm-hmm and you'd be like whyand then they go because I say sowhich is essentially essentially whatjudges that do now wait I don't thinkthat would go very well I mean yeah dudeso it's in what 2024 is in 2024 I thinkyou're gonna try it out look it I waslike I was like I'll be fucking cold bythem I fucking go for it fuck dude yeahhow's the oldI'll get smoked by about your kids likeI tried out for the Olympics I didn'tget very far though yeah theten-year-olds they'll be in the JuniorOlympics like oh ha hafuckers see their kids Steve I hope theOlympics is threes enough there's somegood 30 year old I know actually yeahactually Red Bull is it most I have noidea how old they wereoh I mean aren't you the older guysthere yeah a lot of them are over 30 Imean I would say half of them areprobably over 30 yeah which is so weirdbecause when I was when I first startedbreaking hmm you know but not I was like14 or something hmm everybody was intheir 20s and I was like these oldmotherha ha ha ha yeah and then I see one 30year old which I think he just turned 30when I was starting to break which isProvo and Rob nasty oh yeah you oldmother fuckers shout out to you guys butno there was a couple other guys fromback then I think like iron monkey and acouple others over like that age yeahyou know I was like it it blew my mind Iwas like oh you could still break atthat age that's crazythank you now I'm that agent like Oheverybody's this age and then I'mlooking at these like kids that were myage back then yeah 14 or whatever andI'm like these young little shits littlewhat is that the floss dance and so yeahoh my god I'd learn a real dance youguys play kickball guys play kickballand then you do 15 air flares against mein a battle you oh wait there's a guythat taught you right Tedlike when he's hit what did you go aheadoh yeah I was just gonna say Ted um hewas from my old crew flex Flav yeah andhe used to come to our high school andhe would just practice um just becauseit was a spot there and he would justteach us he was likedude how old is he I think he was in hislike early 20s but he just he knew likea couple of us so he would just come inhere like teach us and stuff and thenonce I graduated he I would go to hishouse and stuff and we just train inwhatever Oh what're they did you startbreaking um the girls women well okaythe first time I saw breaking with in umpro wrestling was really called the WWFback then and it was um was it thespinaroonie - no no okay Booker T yesbefore that guy oh it was um these twoguys named - cool and I can't remembertheir names but wait was it Scotty 2hotty Scotty 2 hotty oh yeah yeah theword ridiculous yeah Scotty 2 hotty andyeah bye anyway so like their specialmove was the one they like set the guyup yeah and then he would like do thestupid-ass dance around the ring andthen do this big like his mom was reallytight but yeah the warm across the wholethe whole floor and then just you Iloved about WWE or WF it was just sofreakin ridiculous yeah like the biggestfan of the rock he dude the moreridiculous he was uh-huhit's like the more I loved him like thelike the people's elbow when he when Iwas watching was get off and throw outthe audience I would be screaming oh mygod the people's elbow yeah yeah anywayrun from one side of the Ring to theother and just do a normal elbow drop Iwas like how did running from one sideto the other help with the elbow droplike how does that help with themomentum yeah I don't I don't think itdoesit was just absurd and then you justmake fun of people and his shit-talkingwas amazing is on pointprobably the greatest shit talker of alltime I don't know of anybody betterright I mean I think in a way like cuz II guess in the UFC there's a lot ofpeople that are starting to do that nowI think they take a lot of cues from therock from the way he used because he washe would shit talk so hard right and thecrowd would just get get in eat it up soridiculous and what they do and like andthe thing is like the more ridiculousthe rock cot with what he did thatpeople's eyebrows like but people justfucking ate it upso well the EOC I think like ConorMcGregor's yeah right he's that he'slike the number one yeahand then people mimic but think it'sthere was a guy before him Chael Sonnenhe was but he was he was very WWWE esquehe was very like though it was verycorny I loved it like I was a huge fanbut I think at the time he was like thenumber one selling fighter even thoughhe was never a champion but he was sucha good shit talker good talk and thenbut then you have Conor McGregor come inand then they're like it's a kick fromdude and then people were at first weresaying oh Conor McGregor is just tryingto be like Chael Sonnen they used to saythat but now everyone's saying everytime a new fighter comes up and startsto chuckling people just say oh he'sjust trying to be like Conor McGregorwas like Bru shit-talking has beenaround for a long time talking was withConor McGregor know it's been around formen were out there talking shit duderemember so we used to dance with thisperson Oh Candice Candice Candicebrother her brother yeah yes oh yeahyeah that guy is amazing shit talk dudehe's an amazing fighter yeah he was hewas like the thing is like people werelike um thing is people were like wouldhate on him cuz it's like oh he's justtrying to be like Conor McGregor butdude it works they keep us he talkedhimself well I mean he's he's stillreally he's a mate he's really a goodfighter and now he he's just being likehe's like the rock yes I was like dudenobody fucking worked because you knowin an interview right well I don't knowif this is sure and I assume it is butin an interview he was talking about howthe UFC was about to cut him right andthen like he got on the mic and he waslike talking shit to BruceBrazilians like this place is a dump youguys are animals world war and sin themoment and that became like a cut in hispromo and then that men they resignedhim i think i think is what happenedthat is hell yeah it was like you gottafucking do itcuz yeah i didn't watch it much of hisfight but I mean did you watch this manfight I didn't watch dude well I knewthe results I was I was rooting forcoming tonight because well we kind ofknow where I met it we used to work withthe Sooners his sister so I was rootingfor him but then my god dude they'reboth really high level wrestlersso who's mins uh was Division twochampion and then covington was he wasin the division one but he was rankedfive at the time so he was like reallyhigh up so it's like but when theyfought they were just fuckin swingingyes yeah like people were saying likefor how good the fight was yeah itwasn't very it wasn't very excited likepeople weren't cheering as muchinitiative but dude I don't know if youknow this but like he he like Guzmanbroke his jaw dude so he broke his jawin the third round and Covington stillkept fighting oh I was like what afuckin badass even even if you hate himright but he's doing it he's moving theneedle he's doing it he's keeping hiscareer he's getting paid so he's doinghis thingbut even if you even for the people whowere hating on him people were happythat he had brought his jaw broken butthe fact that he kept going till roundfive dude that was like if someone slapseemed like a stop you win like the guykept fucking fighting that's brutalhave you ever oh a key you used to domartial arts yeah yeah dudethe thing is I would I I was a I was ayellow belt that's as far as I got inkarate I was like I always lovedwatching fighting I was like I wouldnever fucking do it dude it's dangerousI did Taekwondo was like I feel I feellike I mean I feel like every match wewould do I'd see someone get knocked outdude I was like so fucking brain-deadactually even for breaking I'm like dudesome of these moves like the guys aredoing what the fuck are you doing that'sbrain damage like dude you probably haveacushion right now you probably know likeit's a cool some of the moves they doplus I do that's really so I'm like Ilove watching it I mean that's wipe theallure of double usually really excitingI'm like yeah kidding I would I loved Ilove the storylines I mean yeah fuck himup rock given the people's elbow give megive me the eyebrow yeah fuck abovewhich is basically just a hug in all itis it's it's kinda like a a chokeslamexcept you're hugging him instead yeahit's a hug dude the what what I loved uhwas it he was that famous the famous sirthe famous I was like dude my um bad assBilly good my brother my brother andsome of my friends were used towrestling moves on each otheryeah my brother did the pedigree on meonce my nose is bleeding is like goddammityeah oh but me my friend I had a friendand um growing up where we do the StoneCold Stunner on each other we're justlike randomly like like oh actuallythat's a perfect move of like dude whatdoes that move even do like like at thetime I was a kid I was like puzzles likewell how does that hurt someone knoweginning grip are they getting whiplashis that what it is is that what it iswas like itse trying to break cuz Idon't think that's a good way to know Iwas like I was really possible as likewait or is it because like they'rehugging they hit the shoulder hits thechin is that why I was like I don't butit's hyper shit oh okay you're the movieI love when the rock like when he'sslapping you and then he spits on hishead and they slap so fucking ridiculousyou know what the most ridiculous oh itwas well there's two of them then I canyeah is mankind's mr. Socko dicks itdown your throat yeah never made senseto me cuz I was like yeah it's a dirtyass sock so yeah you're probably gonnaget some diseases yeah yeah why don'tyou just bite his hand I know like itjust didn't makes it like he's trying tolike yeah I guess strangle you in a veryterrible way I guess he's opening upyour jawreally I don't know but like is it gonnabreak your jaw or something yes likeyour jaw is probably way stronger thanhis fingers so just bite him anybody dothat next like why is this my special sothere's that move that never made senseand then do you remember Rikishi oh mygod I was that's exactly what I'llfucking stinkface you just he justthrows you to the corner yeah he just healways worked he's like this big dude Idon't know how much you weigh he'sprobably like 400 pounds yeahbut he like he wears this like songthing and like well I know and he hasthis curtain over his ass and he and hejust shows his song ass and he juststicks it in their face and then justlike rut he like he like torque so fastcheeks and their disaster like biggerthan that body yeah and it's like on thedude just like dude I hope these guysgot paid like I'm just imagine if I waslike a wrestler yeah they're like yougot a fight Rikishi and I'm like dudehis ass is going on my face ass is onthe menu tonighthave you ever so there was one that wasviral but like he wasn't this guy wasn'tfamous the dude dressed up like MichaelJackson he got into it he so he dressedup as Michael Jackson he got the guy ina DDT like when you're having a headlockand then he does the moonwalk backwardsand they do like how ridiculous is itand then I saw another one dude it's sostupid but I was like but like I lovedit it was like so fucking funny and thenthere's another guy where I think Icould get this wrong but he does thisthing with his hands so he makes it looklike oh no Mortal Kombat when their dayslike I love it yeah that's one of theold school ones I think oh oh actuallywas he famous it was I don't rememberokay it was like it was on one of thosesmaller it wasn't on WWE yeah but butyeah dude oh yeah I know that was likeso okay the walls of Jerichoright that one yeah yeah oh when we werewrestling growing up I fuckin love doingthe walls of Jericho did you ever see avideo there's a guy that actually did itin an MMA fight and the guy tapped outOh for real he's like oh my god thatmove actually works yeah no frills youcan look it up like the walls like whatthe fuck I used to do it I did it to mycousin once yeah cuz we used to just trywrestling moves and I did it to him andhe was like look like it hurt yeah yeahI don't know I mean I can imagine you gofar enough it hurts well you ain't gonnawork on some people yeah cuz they justflexible as shit but dude what whenwe're on the Kings and the words we usedto do this powerbomb move all the timethis is the powerbomb so one time Kurtand I were in a competition and so whathappened so it was so we were businesstime crew they're all in suits and wewere in Seattle yeah massive monkeysmassive yeah so so Kurt we're allwearing suit and ties so Kurt was doinghis round and so the routine was nightbefore they thought you were likeplanted on the other side you're wearinglike a burglar I was I was wearing I waswearing a ski mask yeah I had a blackjacket on and so when Kurt went out andthey were like it looked like they're inthe middle of a routine and I pretendedto be on the other team so I run out Oha routine I run out and I push you andthen so you yeah it was a narrow andCarlos we're doing a routine yeah yeahand you run out and you're like noroutine and then and then I like I jumpout on bullying what the hell man I pushyou away and I start breaking like ohyeah we're gonna lose this you're likelet's just go and then and then you comeup and kick me in the stomach but butthen you punch me in the face and then Iland and I complete like a flatline likeI said yeah yeah but at first the funnypart was like the emcee was like chillchill shot yeah yeah they thought it wasreally shitreal and then the public and then youpush me to fit in there it landed likecompletely dead and it was like oh andthen they and I know the rest of thecrew pulled me off em seems like you gotsmoked and they just know it was sofunny because what right when we startedit people thought it was real oh there'sa fight about to happen yeahlike losers with these ties and the crewthat you were hiding that the guys wewere going against they just didn't knowwhat the hell is in the yeah thereaction from the MC was socialism itwas Joe from NASA monkeys he's he's areal dope host you know dope b-boy hewas he was there and he's like oh no Joeyeah and then like as soon as that hesees me punch you and you just drop onyour back yeah yeah it's just like wegot the judges to laugh we still lostthough we know we won that but we allnevermind we lost the next battle againOhNow or Never right okay okay yeah theyseem to be doing pretty well right nowall rightI think how do you kind of yeah I meanthey're they're good they're one of thebetter crews in Canada Vancouver I thinkis in Canada right yeah they're dope Ithink they're really good yeah um yeahthey're making noise I don't I haven't Imean I haven't really kept up with thebreaking scene too much in terms of likewho's winning the local right yeah butI'm sure there's they're still doingtheir thing dude I most of my breakingthat I see is just fucking on InstagramI just scrolling I'm like dudeeveryone's like a billion times betterthan me yeah I think what am i doingwith myself I should just quit getsmoked by every single person on thefucking little kids doing fucking helloto thousands and stuff or air flares onehanders as a Jesus Christ yeah dude I'mlucky if I get to air fleurs under goodyou used to have three I remember aboutI'm the day yeah and thenI've hurt this my right now older and Ilost them all yeah started getting himback I got like that was up to like tomaybe know what you didn't do beforeI've seen it ya know yeah I've done Ithink I did four oh shit point yeah butI so but I mean throughout my life I'vehad between zero and four yeah and it'sbeen like continuous just like losingthem yeah getting him back yeah so but Ithink when the most I had was like fourand then I busted his shoulder and lostall of it yeah had to had to train againto get I was probably about two and thenI hurt my left shoulder Oh Dannyopposite shoulder and so then I lostthat and then this this injury is likekind of bad yeah it's I don't know Idon't know if it'll ever be good againbut I kind of do maybe like two youprobably can yeah yeah I'm real controlman I do for Barry back in Davis I usedto like in-between classes I was likeI'm gonna get airflows I'm gonna get himdo I practice most of my time trying toget ear flares and I was just stuck onto the whole time like fuck fuck it waslike I actually gave up I was like dudeI couldn't I couldn't getting better atall these other things and I chose tostick with Air Force I God why did I dothis I really wanted them though but andthen I'm never getting like more onetime I think was like senior year andthen and then there was a bunch of newpeople I was like I'm a fucking dude infront of everybody and that helladrenaline and then I was like oh my godI feel I was I did the second one andthen I went through there was like oh mygod oh yeah that was like two and a halfand I was like oh my god I figured itout but then I never did yeah we weresaying that so I like started settleslike I don't think I'm gonna docontinuous air flows let me just try toget continuous would military flares thething is like we were talking about thiswe're in breaking to be like it's justpeople perceive you as power you have tohave air flow like an air flow or alignit if you don't do an air flare they'relikehe's he's got good ground no you'llnever be good at policy that's why I waslike I want to do windmills to airflares and get those consistently orflare to air flare consistently becauseif you combo was like oh he's he's nolonger the push-up guy he has more tooffer to me oh well you didn't hear inthe other podcast but today did hemention me already this one in thepush-up guy the push-up guy thing yesyeah wing there's a lot of push-ups inso he's a push-up guy yeah so I do thislegless push-up thing and I was sayingin the other podcast that wasn'trecorded so we're we doing thisso what happened was I I was dancing forthe Kings and then okay I was dancingfor the Kings and I people just lovedwhen I did the pushing move where mylegs were off the floor and then I waslike as a dancer like I spent all thistime I have all these moves but alleveryone wants from me is the fuckingpush-up move do that push it move yeahand then my friends would introduce meacquaintances would introduce me andthen actually not only would they tellthem they'll be like quake do it rightnow do the push it was like okay overI'll do the quick Oh dance mummy monkeydancepeople would people would randomly stopme in the street like hey aren't youthat push-up guy like fuck mandon't you have I have all these othermoves but don't you want to see thatmoves like no do the push-up movie upguys you have a lot more just do thepush-up actually so I recently um wasbreakdancing for like my company askedme was like so they they highlight um aemployee each each week and so one ofthe girls was like hey Quang can you forthe you know the All Hands meeting couldyou break dance I was like yeah sureI'll practice in small actually practicein this room I was a yeah practice insmall spacescuz it wasn't very a lot so I was likeyou know what maybe I'll just somethingthat bothers me I don't know why botherfeel like sometimes when people ask meto break I just do the push-up move andthat's itand I'm like no wonder they keep willcall me the post ship guys that's all Ifucking do and you ask me to break I waslike the go-to move the go-to moveso I was like packing and then when theyasked me I was like I thought to myselfso I'll just do the push-up andwindmills and make it easy and thenthought to myself like no quaynepreparing this stay no clang this is allyour fault this is why they call you thepushy guy this is all you fucking do soI was like I'm gonna fucking blow it upand then so I was like I was likepracticing like dude I was like runningmoves over and over it was like it waslike we were back at the words whereas arehearsal team I kept practicing themoves over and over as like I'm notgonna be called the push-up guy I'mgonna do fucking everything and so whenit when I actually did itwhen I say dude I was hella nervous likebecause that's like I was putting a lotof pressure myself I'm like no dude I'mnot the push-up guy I'm a brick morethan just that one move dude my I wasactually you happen I knew it was comingand he was comingten minutes before our meeting I waspracticing in the hallway I'll be likelooking around like it's like new movesin the hallways like I'm not gonna fuckthis up they're not gonna tell a nervouscause like the whole company's lookinglike like our office the CEO thehigher-ups the people in the Denveroffice and then some remote peopleeveryone's good they're all thereeveryone was looking or there was likebecause the thing is like everyone whenI got hired everyone's like oh quaintdances for the Warriors yes but theynever saw me break in person I was likedude the expectation is so fucking highif I come out and I'm a mediocre they'regonna think I suck oh he's he's awhere's dancer Oh and so when they whenthey introduced me like Wayne's beendancing since he was 13 he tends tothree seasons for the Kings threeseasons for the worst I was like sayingthe back there I was like my heart wasracing like oh my god clink don't fuckthis up that's like the whole day don'tfuck this up don't fuck this up don'tfuck this upyou'll never be anything more than apush-up guy Oh like you know you know ifsomeone if you do something and you suckpeople will tell you oh good job niceright but luckily that didn't happenthis time so what like they're like okayso we have a special performance andthen Gladys like my coworker Mike movedthe table I was like what's happeningand this is like she's like let me giveyou a clue so when I asked this personto perform he said sure I'll do it I'llpractice in small spaces and then she'slike could you guess who it isand then like Kwangand it's like oh my god it's happening Iwas like it's like you know like whenyou professor oh my god fuck fuck it'sactually it's actually morenerve-wracking than some of the Warriorsperformances on I was like oh my god allthis pressure like oh the Warriors breakdancers oh goodand so when I got up like I was it'slike I was like walking up I was likeyou guys are making me nervous oh my godand then like I was just like you know Ihad I had an idea before just to get areaction by doing nothing you know I didso I just got to the middle I just Ijust walked in the middle I kneeled downlike this like all dramatic i unzippedmy jacket this exact jacket and thenthrew it so the jacket like that itselfgot hello how's your boss in my face mybossoh you haven't liked when I tossed it Iwasn't even looking it went over like alike one of the founding members it wentover his head like this nearly likenearly missed his Havok Shh and then inthe end like my boss said that was likethe best part like it was like oh andthen and then I did my routine and thatis it's like dude I fucking threweverything I feel like a billion I feellike I want to say like I think sevenish moves yeah and then like and then Ibought like the CEO like her face wasred like she was like cheering so muchshe's like I was like in my bag is likeyes it's like yes no longer hey end updoing the push-up move however howeverthe good part about this story is theyjust said like oh great job blah blahblah they loved it but they didn't sayand I like that push-up move no one saidthatback at the Kings they would all war isoh just you gotta do that push-up movebut this time it was kind of redeemingelse it's like oh my god I've made itI'm more than just a push-up guy now I'mmore than just him it was my fault thisentire phoenix rising from the ashes I'mamazing so this is an example I broughtup earlier where imagine if you're anactor right and you're famous and youcare about your craft you're you'repracticing your crap you really careyou're trying really hard but you'reknown for one line like what you talkingabout Willisokay think about that's exactly whatyou're talking about that that's mecould you imagine everyone on thestreets or Oh a gate Oh imagine beingthe rock do that eyebrow thing do thateyebrowoh you're the eyebrow guy he probablyfucking hates it actually I love yourstory earlier that wasn't recording withthe Montell Jordan one there'd be a lotof celebrities that would come in and doyou know like music performances orwhatever and so one time Montell Jordancame to perform for halftime show and umwe were watching him rehearse and he wassinging the this is how we do and likeyou know he's kind of dancing but he hadsunglasses on he kind of took him offfor a second and I could see in his eyeslike that he was just deeply saddened[Laughter]basically performing this song everyperformance for his entire career whichis like he made a song in like early 90sor whatever yeah it's like 5020 likethis is crazy just collecting a paycheckI mean it's a tight song then org I knowthat see that would attract me Creekactually so that's why also he's thepush okay another story that we told onthe other one so when I was at the Kingsthere was this guy he was the emcee atthe Kings and what happened was everytime I went out he would introduce me hewould say this the strongest arms inSacramento he's like well I don't evenlive here but okay so one time he did itthe strongest arms of Sacramento and Ithought to myself like no I'm not gonnado the move I'm gonna do this spinningmove instead I have more than just amotion and so what happens is like afterour performance is done we walk into thetunnel it's like hey Quinn can I talk toyou he pulls me asidehe's like quang when I say the strongestarms in Sacramentoyou have to do the pushup move in a niceway you have to do I was like I was likehe's like yeah man when when you starteddoing spins like what is this guy doingdo the push like fuck and that you'renot the spin guy what are you doing stoptrying to break character character whodo you think you arewhy are you trying to show off thatyou're more versatile than you are youknow stop it quit it up oh oh yeah thisis like a totally random story so onetime I was at Burning Man right yeah andthis band was playing and like this guywas so bad was a band was playing in thein the playa the dust and then this guywalks up and like he's wearing like justunderwear that has like holes in itthey're like mesh underwear so he he'slike what you could see is dude I'mpretty sure I saw his dude I saw a lotof doodles at Burning Man a lot ofdoodles it's doodle town doodle man yeahso what happens like dude I wish I couldshow have this on camera but for thoseof us that are just listening he wasdoing this weird dancing he's likemoving around like like no the trunkwhite guy as freaky barbecue he's likewaving around I pretty sure like at onepoint he was like rolling on the floorhe's doing random motions like oh yeahokay think about in like a dramatic tointerpretive dance with modern andmodern dance it was like there's justbut you do random yeah she's right it'slike and then someone was like I heardsomeone behind missing oh my godit's so emotional you know they'reYellin right I mean so Lynn Lynn turnsto me and she says plain what kind ofdance is he doing I was like Lynn he'snot doing anythingdude he looks like he was on acid he'sdoing random oceans and I was like I waslike I was like Lynn and then Lynn'slike well how do you know I was likedude Alayna he was Lynn um I've beendancing for over half my life I think Iknowknow when someone's not doing anythinglike what the fuck he's not doing shitoh my god it's so emotional so I knowever the line that line it was like whatthe hell oh my god yesemotional oh my god viewing oh my god isso - it touches my soul he's literallydoing nothing oh my oh shut the fuck upso oh my god next time I MC a jam I'mabout to do that what do you do my godit's so emotional oh my god the emotionsthe emotions I mean III guess he's notwrong there's probably some emotion Iknow I used high on drugs that's what hewas he's feeling the high from the drugsthat was the emotion here this guy'sliterally doing nothing yeah actually Itold Kevin this story a long time agolike Beck and Davis right yeah isn'tcalled modern dancing where they're justdoing random stuffwhat is it cool I mean I guess that'scontradict interpretive interpretiveokay something like yeah I don't know Imean yeah see modern dance thephilosophy of it is that you're makinglike shapes with your body and there'snot necessarily like a certain formyou're supposed to do right so okay soit probably fits into there okay so whathappened was I did one of those I was Ican let's see how it is yeah just justto see how it is and so the danceinstructor right she gave the hero herinstructions okay you three start movingokay and then you other three whatyou're gonna do is you're gonna followthem but don't do their movements soyou're gonna sounds like wait so youwant them to follow them but also notfollow themoh I don't see oh and so they were justdoing random shit right just like likethe same thing like asking a guy justrolling around the floor us it's likewhat the hell is this and then and thenand then you know she says oh my godit's brilliantokay the next group 3 and 3 right thenext crew comes in J'son gives them thesame instructions okay you threetwo movements you other three followthem but don't follow them okay in thesame shit just a bunch of random andthen you have there doing it right justlike I don't get it like they're bothdoing nothing I don't fucking nothing Iwas like oh my god I was like my mindwas blown dude there dude what if shejust said that to fuck with oh I knowshe's like a troll yes yeah like it'sfucking brilliantbut you cling I don't that's that's whatthey pay me for I don't it was terribleWow awful what are you doing oh my godcalling them oh my god you know it'd befunny if there was a TV show like thatlike just like completely aware you hadlike a Simon Cowell type of person who'sjust like but he's like trollingeverybody I just I didn't feel theessence of your performance blah blahblah good really funny showespecially if yeah if if it's likesomeone who's killing it in theirperformance than the last guy just likeyeah I don't get itthere aren't there is actually a singingshow I didn't if you heard of it I thinkwas on The WB or something where likepeople like they were finding the worstsinger America so they they lie to thepeople saying like you're good have youheard that show no okay dirty as fuckbut that's hilarious dude yeah so theywere just like all these bad people thatwere horrible and then they would theywould just keep you know same thing asAmerican Idol except they'd pick andthey were just feeding these lies thesejudges but for the like for some peoplethat auditioned that we're actuallyreally good I remember one of thecomments was like yeah it sounded likeyou had like diarrhea or something buthe was actually amazing so it is likeKylie aligned with youoh my god oh man this is like yourstringer boy oh my god seems like youwere likeI ate it or something oh damn yeah I waslike oh my god it was so sad and oh myand then the reveal happens like Ohactually you know it's um it's not wedidn't find the best singer in Americawe actually found the worst singer inAmerica I think I was like but to cometo counter that the singing was like butthe you know it's not fake the the lovethis audience has for you and then theystarted cheering for him I was like I'mso sure he feels like shit yeah I waslike cut the next day he like killshimself I know dude that's like soembarrassed oh my god oh my god okaytalking about Edition actually I know afisherman in this story anyways someonethat we owe actually notice would giveit away okay no but like okay changeokay but you know like um so you'rethinking it dance right we've had somefriends I have auditioned but this onefriend in particular like he's actuallya really good dancer and should he justname namesokay who's not change their name okayokay so John was dancing but one of ourother friends Jimmy was watching him andlike so the way they cut it like soJimmy said like John was actually doingwell and and the judges gave him goodfeedback it's just he they just feltlike he didn't mix well together yeahbut during the actual like when they cutthe tapes and they were showingcommercials and then they made him looklike he was really bad without reallyshowing much of what he was doing andfelt like and and then the I thinksomething long was like and then somepeople just couldn't cut it like hoppingon his ass but like apparently he didreally well but the way they cut it theymade him look like he was really badlike and then some people just couldn'tcut it I saw our friend I was like oh noand then like later on as he few clipslater and then like in a few clips laterthey show they have a microphone to hisface and he was like it wasn't notalking aboutI feel so bad from because dude he'sactually a really good deal really goodoh dude I was like dude this is why Imean we've um we've auditioned for somethings before yes like dude I hope wedon't fake in me I fucking swear to godI hope we don't make the blooper reelblah blah blah hey remember this um thisone I wish get on camera but for thosepeople can't listen you can't really seethis dance move but you know that movewhere you like do this you push yourhead back yeah it's like you're pushingit's like you're looking like a robotyeah and then I do this and then like Ihold like this in front of me and youknow when we're auditioning for a BDCyeah I'm fucking you cuz I did that Idid it I did a competition you fuckingblew up people fucking loved it but whenwhen I did it on camera it was like ohmy god oh my god I fucking embarrassmyself I hope this is finished everyservices I thought that was so funnythough I love that movie I actuallybring it back so the Kings a snack and Ifucking I went against I think Sycharside shot I thinks I was a gay he dancesfor that job yeah so either he's reallya dancer but he's like he was doing morelike popping and krumping kind of stuffand so I was a b-boy so it was an allstyles competition so when I you didthat yeah and then and then like so Ipopped a little bit oh my god it'sfucking awful I should have never donethe popping part but they actually cutit a little bit during that - I was justtrying something I can do it - and thenI ended that popping sequence with thatmovie moment and I got the whole like myoh my whole like two rounds that I didlike I'm gonna push that clip actuallypart of me wants to post that clip on myInstagram but then like a couple of mybosses follow me on Instagram so I didso fucking inappropriate dude I've madesome questionable decisions in my lifelike some things like I like oh my godsome shits on the internet and howembarrassed is me to look back on itlike the Quang Bang thing this is becomeI'm running joke but I actually paidsomeone to write an e-book for me andyou wrote it a hundred percent no Iwrote it I wrote the book so it was likeamazing ways to make money and then Idoes the book but I thought to myselfyou know what I kind of like this nameQuangthat's like it's my brand that's who Iam and then like in the night on thebook it says authored by Quang Bang Iwas like yeah I love this name and thisis like and then like looking back islike that was really fucking stupidpeople one time okay Lin Lin again soLin was like you know what use likeshe's talking to max her husband's likeyeah you know I want to buy this book tosupport Quang the book was like threebooks like you two or three peoplebought it pity buys I post on Facebookand then Max is like no don't buy thatbook it's a joke it's not real it'soften quaint bang I was like lookingback it's like god dammit why did I dothat I just I keep it up now I was likeman that post hella embarrasses me I waslike no it's it's funny I'll keep it upbabe we should do is just say oh it wasa joke the whole timeyeah fucking brilliant so if anyone'slistening amazing ways to make money bycoin babe buy it on Amazon for 99 centsI've shameless plug I've ya know I readit and I made money do that you were youwere thinking in the clearest of mindsyeah shout out shout out to that bookanyways I think that's probably a goodway to okay so um anyways uh this is mygood friend Quang and do you have anyclosing remarks amazing ways to makemoney by Quang going by the book onAmazon now yeahhave you made money from dude so I paidsome 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BBoy Ace, a west coast pioneer in Hip Hop, sits down to discuss his origins, work ethic, and thoughts on the culture of hip hop and breakin'. Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by outside have youdeveloped a fear of the Sun because youstay inside all day commenting onYouTube videos or maybe you've developedan addiction to posting about howawesome your life is on social mediabetween your day job as an overpricedthrift store clothes model and sidehustle selling your new rap mixtape talkto your doctor to see if outside isright for you five out of five peoplethat have tried going outside have seenpositive 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aroundlike mid 70s right is that about whatyou think yeah that's that's at leastwhat I've heard so you've been breakingfor probably more than half of thelifetime of hip-hop that's like reallycrazy to even think of that it's such ayoung dance such a young culture that ina hundred years when it's still aroundpeople are gonna look back and go likewhat was happening in the beginningbecause it was like there's so muchfluctuation in and that this era righthere is like really what helped kind ofdefine it to be whatever it ends upbecoming well the thing that'sinteresting to me now is because there'sbeen absent flows to where it starts topstarts stops but from 91 on it's beenconsistent mhm it's been going there'sthere's been no stop yeah so it's gainedas MoMA as much momentum as there's everbeen and it's been a consistent thing sosince this time that that I began youknow and there were some started youknow who it was going a littlebefore I started but it's you know manyhave stopped but the whole thing is keptgoing so that that's a beautiful part ofpop that yeah yeah yeahfor me you know I got started I had nointerest in dance I didn't startoriginally as a b-boy interesting Ioriginally started as a house dancerWest Coast Oh a West Coast house yeahwhich is different from the house thathouse now yeah yeah that that is knownit's like a mixture of New Jack with alot more yeah upper body movement I seeso you know there was there was New Jackand like that was fun mm-hmmbut for me I didn't really have aninterest in doing that my brother was areally good at New Jack he was littleyeah and he tried to show me and Icouldn't do it like a lot like you knowlike I struggled even with somethingthat was less complicated okay but Ididn't have an interest in it so I waslike I'm cool on it yeah no big dealI want no part of it then the person whoended up being my teacher I and crazilyyou know it's crazy to say but to thisday one of the greatest dancers I'veever seenAaron L Coloma Oh from Palm Springs okayhe was a house dancer yeah he used topop when he was little and he went intoNew Jack and then he went into house andsuper talented and he saw my brother whowas really good at New Jack and hewanted to teach little kids to be to begreat house dancers yeah yeah yeah sohis intent was to teach my brother andso that's how I met him and I broughthim to my house to teach my brother yeahand while he was waiting for my brotherhe was just moving and that was thecraziest thing I ever saw yeah life likeit was literally like poetry in motionhmm I was tripping how old are you atthat time oka hot 16 some along thoselines I believe I was a sophomore inhigh school okay second half and I sawhim move and I just couldn't believethat somebody can move like that yeahlike I had never really seen anythinglike that and seeing it in person is acompletely different experience hmmso I was bugged out and I just kind ofknew that that's what I wanted to dothat's cool yeah it was it was harassedhim I literally harassed him for acouple weeks thank you to teach meWow and he wouldn't because he told mehe said do you understand like you can'tdo new jackand that's like basic arithmetic yeahhouse is far more complicated so it'skind of like doing pre-algebra yeah yeahhe's like you want to jump steps youwant to go straight to precalculus yeahalgebra whatever it is without evenknowing basic arrhythmia don't even knowhow a plus sign yeah you can't even justmake your lower body coordinate muchless upper body and lower bodysynchronized beautiful movements okaybut I was undeterred okay it was I sawit and from there like I just knew I hadto have it okay and so I just kept afterit yep I kept bugging him and finallyone day all right all rightI'm gonna teach you one step you'regonna learn that step and then you cometo me with that step and I'm gonna teachyou another step and I was like dealokay deal that's a good deal yeahbut I had to work for that one step yeahyeah and but he but he realized I wasnot going to stop mm-hm andfrom there it was a rap I I was 24/7with itwake up move act is practicing try andtrying to coordinate this uncoordinatedbody of mine yeahdirt at school during nutrition duringlunch after school at practice at hishouse before bed it was crazy I was amaniacyeah I was a maniac but I wanted to be Iwanted to move like he moved and I knewI was far off I was I was not you know Iwas realistic about where I was at himwhere he was at but I wanted to getthereyes quick as possible so I was 24/7 withit soothing yeah to the point where heliterally had to pull me aside at somepoint and tell me that you know yourmother your mother misses you yeah yeahyeah yeah love that love yourdetermination but you gotta sleepsometimes the guys are getting a littlea little annoyed that you'd never stopyeah and I was hurt I was hurt yeah likeI literally avoided didn't see him for awhile taking different routes to classreally yeah yeah yeah and literally wasthat like after a week we cross pathsand he kind of cut me off and was like aman like where you been like and he'slike don't take it that way you knowlike we're not saying stop you know theguys you know just just take a couplebreathe you know like breathe for ya youknow but yeah it's so that began my longjourney at the beginning I was gettingpretty good at house you know after agood little whileand then we went up to an event calledFilipino weekend up in Delano just pastBakersfieldyeah and that's you know the the groupwe were with was boys and style bis andso we were going up there and you knowwe were going to meet with the rest ofthe group and we're under the assumptionthat a group the soul brothers which isfamous house moved from LA we're gonnabe there and you know wanted to battlethem yeah yeah and they end up never endup showing up our cuz one of the crewmembers cousins from San Jose a groupcalled dangerous image came down andlike they were gonna be with us yeah andthey were a choreography group okaythat also braked because San Jose wasbig into braking amount of time and weall got bored and somehow it ended upbeing a battle between dangerous imageoh and you guys and B is okay except forthey braked him we didn't so you knowthey were they were really good yeah andthat the main guy from their group was awalks guy mm-hmmthis guy Alan hmm and he did walks evenhe was really good he notmerry-go-rounds and all that but he hadreally good walks yeah yeah hence theinspiration yeah when we started thevery next day we stopped Houston and webe started breaking is that quick it wasan instant like - it was like watchingmagic you know like really that thepower precision grace of you knowhigh-level break-in yeah it was like wowlike okay that that that is you know itwas inspiringso yeah we you knowwe started break-in Aaron L was breakingbut he was popping uh and you know andhe used to do that back in the days andsince he was such a good dancer and socoordinated he picked up like oh he wasan amazing popper like amazing but yeahthat that became our road and since ourmain inspiration from the opposition wasa walks guy mmm bis became a walks yeahwe we did spins we did you know all thespins but we care deeply about walksyeah that's that's kind of crazy becauselike definitely you guys like it it'slike walks and for people who don't knowwalks it's like the float how do youexplain yeah well that that you're onyour hands you're walking on your handslegs are off the ground and you're kindof going in let's ignore loading yeahit's like a pocket of air is underneathyour body and you're just walking aroundon your hands and there's so manyvariations of it but yeah yeah and youguys innovated those moves which iscrazy that like I guess before you evenbreak you saw someone else like kind ofwell I mean there were guys in the pastyou know like we didn't really know himtoo much except for when we startedbreak-in since there were no examples ofbreaking like we saw it in personmm-hmm and then when we wanted to startlearning we're you know just a fewbreak-in yeah you know beat Street likethose were our only examples of breakinbecause there was no YouTube there wasno footage it was what you saw in personother than those couple movies that wereon some VHS tapes you know and of coursethere were guys you know in B Street andbreak-in that that did you know somehigh-level walks you know there's buckfor of course oh you know here is hisTurtles he's super fast you know amazingbut not not a lot of and then of coursein break-inthere's handyman you know amazing youknow his amazing walks but that thoseare only a couple variations that wereshown on tape not the rest we were justgoing and figuring it out yeah and youknow hearing from some of the oh geezfor master movements you know giving usideas on things that they had done orseen or heard about you know so theywere kind of just giving us some inputtry this oh there's a walk like this allthere's you know but they couldn't do itthey were already done but that leasewere given us the ideas and kind of aframework of what you know just somethings to try and work on uh-huh andfrom there we were just working at ityou know like determined to get good atthat no yeah you know and then of courseit ended up leading you know afterseveral years to higher level walks I meand my brother were teaching the guysfrom 101 up in Pasadena and you knowthose were guys like brick Rand dabstones which at the time his name wasthere because you know they used to tagso okay and did you ever do it I wasnever in attacking oak I just straightinto Jane into dancing yeah I wentstraight from like sports into danceyeah you know but yeah you know so thoseguys you know we we taught those guysand then had the scene was just you knowgetting a little yeah so what inspired Iguess your creativity within that danceI mean I guess obviously going fromhousing to to breaking and I mean Iimagine a lot of a lot of that hadinfluenced your style I mean becausehousingor at least the housing from back thenwas very kind of kind of jumpy and rightwell yes I believe LOI well very flowybut you know and there was differentstyles in in house you know it was notsame movements there were guys that hada very rigid hard-hitting style therewas others they had flowing there therewas a lot of popping elements oh yeah init so so even in in the West Coast housethere there was a lot of different looksyeah you know that that kind ofdifferentiated each you know dancers ownparticular persona yeah you know and theway they moved so you know when westarted moving into break-in we were itwas mainly power based mm-hm we did somestyle but from what we had seen becauseour experience was very little and therewas no footage there was not a lot ofdifferentiation in style so I kind of wekind of did it just to say we had stylejust to kind of check that box but it itwasn't at least for myself I was nothighly inspired to do style because Ifelt like it was in a box from what Iwhat I had seen the experience it wasn'tuntil the tapes of storm and them thatkind of made their way over here thatlike the realization that oh you can doso much with it it's it really is justlike house yeah like it really is youknow style is really as far as your mindyour creativity your persona yeah yeahlike yeah levels personality silly sillythingsyeah that end up looking dope you knowlike there was just that thatrealization that oh like there's nolimits there's no like yeah like it'sdance just at different levels and yeaha different way but it's still dancejust just like house so from their styleit you know I was all about that youknow like it it became a very fun and anever-ending puzzle that to this day Iwork on yeah yeah it is a puzzle I meanwhat drove me to breaking actually issomething similar is that it there wasno limit you can come come into it andjust kind of have fun with it dowhatever you want make it work you knowreally like if you had a dumb idea tosee to try to make something work justroll around on the ground see make tryto make it work you know some of themost amazing steps that happen are byaccident definitely you know just fromthe attempt of something new you youprovide yourself with an opportunity todo something that you know maybe itworks and that's amazingor it doesn't work out but it turns outto be a better step yeah because it wassomething that your body justautomatically had that on a DNA levelyeah that you were not aware of you knowwith your own consciousness but on amore subatomic level yeah your bodyalready had it yeah in tow and was justready for you just for you to give itthe opportunity yeah I'm completelyconvinced that every move in braking wasfrom someone just falling down and goingoh let me try to control that and do thesame thing though but you know and justmake it look cool you know well wellyeah I mean it it you know it's aconstant thing to where you're trying tolike expand or go into neutral unchartedterritory yeah you know when we firststarted like you know for me the thingthat keeps me coming back is I know I'llnever have this bad boy figure it outyou know but it's so fun just becauseI'm I'm always searching for things likesomeNo you know like like as if I was abrand-new b-boy who it was firststepping onto the floor for the firsttime and I have that same thoughtprocess and what I love is the guys youknow Rob and Cujo and all the other guysyou know that that run in our circlehave a similar mind frame yeah of playmm-hmm you know like what we do is veryserious but we play like children youknow like it's it's something thatbrings joy that's something that we youknow approached like the first timewe're not afraid to give each otherinput or to to move in a weird positionyou know just because yeah there'ssomething exhilarating about about thatjust playing around and just planningyou know something pull one actuallytold me is that the reason he likes theword b-boy rather than somethingdifferent like be men or the adult orwhatever is that really you have yourown adult responsibilities but when youcome to break you are letting your innerchild to come out to play and that's whythe word b-boy or b-girl is moreappropriate than something like a B manor B woman just because you're lettingyour child come out and have fun and I Ithink anybody who is I don't want to saydoing it properly because not to demeananyone else but at least for myself tome that's doing it right yeah it isallowing yourself to be freeand I think when you you knowparticularly associate with childrenthere's a freedom that they have that asadults we lose many at least many loseon various levels they they lose theirfreedom they lose their they have thesepreconceived notions that oh well I'm anadult now yeah and so I need to respondthis way or I need to give thisI need to do you know and that's not thecase that you know you could absolutelybe a responsible person a caringindividual that handles all the variousresponsibilities of your day-to-day butstill be that child to still carry yourinner child in various parts of yourlife I mean I still I still watch animeand cartoons oh yeahto this day yeah yeah you know it's it'sa you know it's funny I had this thingwith my yeah I'd said the other day wewere watching something it had to dowith you know fairy tales type stuff inand for a second she seemeddisinterested I said okay you know let'sturn this off I'll watch this later andshe's like oh no don't be like thatshe's like it's just you know I'm not achild I didn't want I said well why doyou you know like why why do you have tolose your imagination just because we'rea certain age why why do you have togive up your imagination why do you haveto give these things up like we handleall the things we need to handle youknow like they're not hurting you thatthere is there is nothing wrong withhaving an imagination and creativity andholding on to that that childlike partyyourself and and I think it helps usconnect and you know even with our ownchildren you know why like I think ourchildren are more connected to us andlove us all the more because weunderstand them just you know on somelevel just a little bit different thanmaybe a Parenthood isn't holding on to apart there yeah their inner child yeahthis is like a subject that's prettydear to me because you know my mothershe's an artist and she's you know shewas working with a lot of people thatwere you know under they had a lot ofproblems drug abuse all sorts of stufflike that so she was running thisprogram where she would teach them artkind of as a therapy and they werefinding that when these people reallyhadn'tdone anything creative in their life fora long time and once they started doingthat creative these creative things itstarted like sparking up a change intheir life for the better so that theywere more willing to get their lifetogether and so it was like somethingthat they were just lacking as a humanin their life and so it made me reallythink that or believe that creativity isjust like this fundamental thing thatthat humans need and I mean and I thinkit's deeply connected with like play youknow this is our way we play well I meanlike of course people and is one thingyou know being able to play laughtermm-hmmyou know of course the scientificstudies you know yeah yeah how laughterand being able to tap into things thatbring us joy mm-hmm you know life ishard before you know particularly foradults a lot of responsibilities to beable to take a moment for yourself to beable to put all of that on pause and tobe able to let go of everything in tapinto something that is that fulfills youthat brings you fulfillment brings you ajoy you know and different people findit in different ways you know andcertainly you know dance does that forusbut yeah it's a it's an important thingto be able to find things that bring youmeaning that bring you joy that thatallow you to play and create you know inone form or fashion mm you know whenpeople talk about me and dance and youknow like I guess I still look fairlyyoung you know I'm 45 now but you knowmost that speak with me think I'm muchyounger and it's just because I thinkit's because I allow myself I make somefor myself you know there there's adifferent side different purpose whetherit be taking care of myself you knowdance has done a lot for me you know theway I take care of myself the way I eatsleep the way I you know take time forexercise stretching and and that's allfor my dance yeah you know so for medance has been you know a true blessingjust because I would have to find themotivations you know to somehow pull anddo those things on my own but you know Iwould have to generate it somewhere elsebecause for me my motivation for doingall of those things has to do with myperformance as a dancer and you knowit's funny I was talking about storm asyou know motivation one of the things Iliked is I'd seen him on many occasionsbut never spoke with them because he wasalways surrounded by so many people somany other dancers they had admirationfor him yeah because of course it'sdeserved but I never wanted to meet himin that way because even though I haveall the admiration in the world for howhe influenced me I don't think any oneis better than me I don't think I'mbetter than anyone else but I don'tthink anyone else is better than memm-hmmyou know we're humans yeah you know thatinspire each other but I didn't want himto see me that wayto where everyone's like tugging at hiscoattails yeah so so even though I hadopportunities I never spoke with him andthen one of the times at one of the freesaw sessions I had seen him with theguys from soul control with which arelike my little brothers Charles and Cujoand they were sitting and just talkingwith them and I was like amazing yeahbecause those are my guys and I couldjust sit down and talk uh-huh you knowand I got they introduced me to him andI had the opportunity tobe able to let him know that I reallyappreciated what he had done for mehelping me I inspired me and helped meto understand yeah that that it reallywas like dance you know and made stylefun about a week later he was up northfor an event up that way and Charles wasgoing up there to hang out with them andand kind of take care of him show himaround drives him and had invited me tocome I went up there and so from there Igot to be around him more and just talkyou know and with and humanized walkedwell yeah yeah not not just about dancejust about whatever oh yeah and you knowlike I think one of the things heappreciates is when people just treathim like a normal personyeah yeah like you know he understandsthat that he's had impact but he heknows he's a normal guy too you know andwants to have stimulating conversationwith people who who treat him just likeany other person and we had that youknow and to this day we do I was talkingwith him the other day and we'rechopping up over some other stuff youknow but we were able to build on thatand then when we finally danced togetherlike we we hadn't you know we just hungout and talked hmm philosophies onwhether it be life b-boying to dance theway we saw it and we saw things verymuch the same and then it wasn't untilthe very end of the weekend that we wereover at mega man's house and it was Ithink his lady's birthday and we were inall in the living room big wood flooryou know okay and we started off lockingand we were having fun that way and thenI said oh now I feel like breakingand we we started breaking he went outthe guys were going out he went out andthen there was a time I was gonna go Iwas gonna go out and I went out and Ithink he like he just wasn't he didn'tthink that I could I guess dance on thelevel I was dancing huhso I got up and he was about to go outand he kind of had like a uh like andthen he pushed somebody else out andthey went out instead and then it's likeand then he ran something through hismind and then of course right after thatperson finished she went out anddestroyed it yeah but me and him musthave went like 20-something around ohwowyeah like we were just having funYelp plane and and I didn't know it atthe time you know cuz I was just havingfun exchanging and it ended up becominga thing where a lot of the guys werewatching and meet me and storm wereexchanging to you know just playingand I remember Gerald rest in peace youknow one of our other Gerald caster lowhe had come in and said yo Charles wantsto go like like you know we're waitingon you guys and I was like oh storm wegot to go and storm had told generallike yo tell Charles we'll be out in alittle while and then he looked at mesaid yo ace let's keep goingand then we just kept going for or awhile longer and when we left you knowhe was like really happy you know I meanI knew I was happy but he was havinghe's like yo ace like I haven't dancedlike that in like I can't even tell youhow long you know and I was like get outof here bro like you know like you're ina different country like every week youknow surrounded by amazing dancersuh-huhno no no you know it's different youknow like people either are in likelooking like look at me like too high orthey're trying too hard to impress meyou know like instead like just six hesaid me and you we were just kind ofhaving a conversation you know and andthat's the whole thing about dance danceis a conversation you know like likehe's like you were doing somethingthat's giving me ideas and I was goingout and doing something then you weregetting ideas and he like he said youknow that that I haven't had that in areally long time yeah you know wheresomebody just had a conversation with meyou know and he said like for me thatthat just blew my mind and like I saidyou know we well we're kind of I don'tknow to me kind of like kindred spiritslike you know like we see things a lot alot the same way and you know I feelblessed that I have people like Robynpuja you know like we're all kind of inthat you know like I try to surroundmyself with people that are like-mindedyou know that you have thatopen-mindedness and and if they don't Itry to cultivate it yeah yeah you knowand help them to understand that becauseat least for myself that's where I foundthe real joy in dance is in the exchangein the conversation in being open-mindedto new ways of moving and takingsomething and flipping it yeah you knowon its side on its back on its headwhatever it might be you know cuzthere's no one way of looking at thisthing like you know and the beautifulpart is we will never have this thingfigured out and it's what keeps mecoming back yeah because when I come outto a dance floor when I go to a practicethere's an exhilaration that I have noidea what's gonna happen today yeah yeahand that's amazing uh-huh you know Ilike I gave up the preconceived notionoh this is what I'm gonna do this I havea few ideas like oh I want to try thistoday on that I just give it up becauseI found that when I go out withpreconceived notions that oh I'm gonnado this this this and this you think toomuchthat's what it becomes well I mean inthe end like we talked about thatsubatomic level how you go in and you'regonna do this move and it doesn't workout and sometimes it works out betteryeah because your body on a subatomiclevel new nope we're doing this yeahwhen you try to work against your bodywhen you work you know like your body'sgonna win and you could just come outall kinds of ugly you like you know likeat some level you have to give in towherever your body's at on that day likeoh I'm will work on this if it if yourbody says nope we're doing this insteadyou got you like you're best offtrusting because in the end your yourDNA knows better yeah for me like whatI've always done is and what I've beentrying to do a lot more is like when Itrain I'll train you know differentsequences of movements that I think workwell together but when I actually danceyou know perform or battle or whatever Itry to just not think of anything I justtry to focus on music try to focus onwhoever I'm battling or whatever I'mperforming at just focus on the momentand just let my body do whatever it'sgonna do because I've spent all the timein practice working through differentcombinations that I think makes sensethat I trust that my body's gonna knowwhen to do that or when not to do thatso if I just focus more on music andjust let let it happen it just feelsmore natural to me it probably looksmore natural to and then hopefully thosecombinations I have been practicing maketheir way out in some form and you knowI'm happy with that too so it soundslike that's maybe like what you do aswell yeah I mean I have ideas you knowlike I think it's it's it's at least formyself good to go out like okay I wantthese things to come out at some pointin time you know yeah like anda lot of the muscle memory will kick inyeah it is moving yeah you know ifyou've put together certain combinationsand certain movements you know they'regonna come together at some pointthey're gonna execute just becauseyou've done these different things butof course there's a spontaneity to ourdance and you know working in with musicand all that you know and of course Ifeel that music is important I feel likeI think there's some people that thatplay too hard to the music to where theystart to kind of lose themselves thatand when you hit him you know and and toeach their ownyeah every single beat you knowsometimes when people work every singlebeat then they they kind of lose I guessa certain moment like for me like I'm inthe flow of the music the way I dance Istay in the flow in the pocket of themusic and then I accent different partsthat I want really to stick out or standout and being in that wave the rest justgoing and flowing through the rest ofthe music you know and there are somepeople who are amazing hidden everyevery single beat for me I I see a lotof hit or miss with that though toosometimes it's a super amazing momentthat's etched in the history of timethat's enough well there's others thatit was like I kind of lost the messageoh yeah like they're trying too hard todo every single thing and it's like okayI don't they stay in the story you'reactually trying to portray now yeahbecause I mean at least for me I feellike when we're you know when I go outand the dancers that I seem to gravitatea little bit to a a little bit morethey're they're moving and they'retelling some sort of story you knowto make you know beginning a middle andan end you know and just for me the onesthat every single be every single timelike I said there there are somespectacular moments you know some roundsthat will always be remembered but thenthere's also some times that you areleft walking away soon I didn't reallyget what they were trying to tell me youknow just me you know that just the wayyou know I see it so so it's definitelya catch-22 and it's a difficult thing topull off and only a certain few arereally at least to me that that I'veseen that really pull that off and makeme say oh wow okay they're like thatthat they pull it off more times thannot yet they have a higher ratio youknow higher percentage of being able topull it off what what is one of the Iguess highlight moments that you've seenI guess in all your history of the dancewhat's something that stands out I meanobviously your story with battling stormis probably a highlight but what aboutother things maybe something that youmay be a battling with we were we weresharing you know yeah it was aconversation yeah of course that was ahot like you know like I've just had youknow with the moments there's there'sjust so many you know I mean just nojust sharin in the community seeing allthe different generations of dancers youknow come through and give their givetheir party inspire in their way andthen being able on our end to be able topartake in and share with them like asyou know whatever practice that I'm ator event if I see something that I feelcan be helpful to another dancer youknow I'll usually make my way over andjust kind of throw it out theresay you know like this is take it orleave it you know you don't youcertainly don't need to use this butthis is this is something that I seethat I think can help your dance but youknow like like I hope you don't takethat you know the wrong way yeahbecause we've always been a firmbeliever you know me and the guys havealways been firm believers in in helpingbring bring the next dancers or evenveterans like it doesn't matter likeI've had guys that have come to meyou know so many like you know and sayhey you know I know people look at uslike legends you know but like we wewant to grow to like you know what likedoesn't mean that that we don't want tolearn yeah you know and I knew what thatkind of meant like that they werelooking for help and for me like I'llhelp anybody who has a decent heart youknow so I my response has always beenlike well yeah of course like if we'renot learning and growing what are wedoing here you know like anyone whothinks they have this dance figured outyeah they're out of their mindyeah and they've stopped growing yeahyou know that that that's two things cuzthe moment you think you have anythingfigured out growth is done like there isno more growth the moment you think youhave it figured out you're wrong youdon't have it figured yeah because it'san endless thing but if for those whoare you know lucid or out of their mindenough to think that they do havefigured out and oh I'm on this level sothe growth is done like it you stop soso anyone who who has ever like a like Isaid I offer it up you know to to anyonejust really I'll walk over you know andoffer it up so if somebody were to askme you know in many who are consideredlegends of coursemany you know they've been my studentsyou know and others that have made theirlegend status on their own but just arestill on the path of growth if they'veever had a question or wanted to learnsomething I'm all for it you knowbecause yeah like we don'tlet's keep growing let's keep doing ityou know feel free to ask me anytimelike I love it you know it'sever-changing thing I mean hip-hop Iguess if you look at it throughout itshistory every couple years it's adifferent thing and so if you're not Iguess you know evolving with it you'realso you know you're losing yourself alittle bit you know kinda you know asfar as ever evolving it on some levelit's fads - oh yeah you know on somelevel things come and go so you knowit's cool to pay attention and to keepgrowing but if it's something that thatcalls to you - cuz in the end you stillhave to be true to who you are as anartist yeah so there's a lot of thingsthat I see that like look great but Idon't feel they're for meso I continue to grow in the ways thatmove me you know because if we'reconstantly worrying about what somebodyelse is doing and what's in right nowthen we're never really gonna findourselves you know like we're nevergonna find who we are as a dancer and tocontinue to build us like to buildyourself as an artist so but if so youknow it's good to pay attention becauseif you see something that says wow likeyes I want to use that and incorporatethat into my dance because I think thatthat will take what I want to do and youknow change you know take my art where Iwant it to goyou know like we talked about at one ofthe last practices a vision a vision foryour dance you know you may not be ableto do everything that you want to do butI think any any great artists has hadsome sort of vision for what they wantto do like some grand scheme like Ohlike that's kind of crazy you know andyou may not be able to do it now but ifyou have when you have that vision youknow you kind of start doing differentmovements and different exercises andstretches and whatever else whateverelse it might be to kind of work towardsthat goal you know to work towards thatvision you know and then of coursethere's a whole lot of play that comesalong that that will change your visionaround but but I feel like you know allthe great artists have to have some somesort of vision you know even if itchanges along the way you know to have avision and to work towards a vision youknow and not be to be cognizant ofwhat's around you but not consumed towhere you have to do what they do toknow like okay you know that's dope andI recognize that's dope but that's notyou know I'm gonna continue to do what Ido and take the parts that I really wantthat I feel will take me towards myvision yeah yeah the thing that me andVince do a lot is we'll see what otherpeople are doing you know what the fadreally is and rather than try to do thatwe'll go okay if someone does thatagainst me in a battle like what am Igonna do well ya know I mean I know youcan respond to it well especially ifyou're looking for battles you know theresponses to to questions you know oryeah to be able to respond and kind ofyou know in a battle you knowthis is what is generally out there yeahthis is gonna come and you have aresponse you know those are just goodbattle tactics to be able to have aresponse within what you did well yeahwhat I do yeah you know but but youalready have answers to the questionexactly you know so yeah those are thoseare things that are very important andthen of course like you said you knowand then things like battles and stufflike that that's a that's a wholedifferent you know it's its own elementand conversation and being able to Imean of course you have to do what youdo but be able to like even the way wepackage what we do you know ourmovements and and the packaging anddelivery of what we do can be the energyin which we do what we do it's verydifferent yeah you know like yeah youknow it but I think one of the importantthings is that it comes from a genuineplace you see a lot of actors you knowin the scene to where yeah it's that'snot really who they are it's not agenuine part of their dance actor I'venever heard someone say that but that'swhat it is yeah it's acting you know andthe ones who like are best at what theydo I think more times than not things docome from a genuine place yeah that'swhy it receives more credit like thennot because people can fill somethinggenuine behind their movements and atleast for the ones to me that that standout and over time like they still likenot just when in a jam and not just whenin an event but being admired being ableto be understood as a pioneer of whatthey do and to be like to drawinspiration from otherto where because they just see somethingthat is more genuine in in in theirmovements than the typical person whoexecutes things and wins that Jamthere's a lot of people who win gemsthat are not maybe and never really beremembered you know I'm sure there's somany people you know when you look backyou're like who won this gem who on thatJam and not remember them whereasthere's people like Rob Silla or a Cujoyeah that have lost more gems than theother one and you remember there but butthey will when when their name is talkedabout people know and are like wow likethat guy is amazing I'm glad you broughtthat up because I have the same thoughtabout it is because there's so manybattles I remember vividly because youknow either I was there I saw footageand I was like this is a crazy amazingbattle and I can't remember who won youknow that battle or who won the jam oranything about it other than the battleand who was in it I could tell youexactly what each person is wearing orwhatever in the battle but I'm like Ihave no idea if they even won the gym Idon't even know where the jam was youknow what I mean yeah and I could careless to be honest but that battle therewas crazy and it's cemented in my brainas like one of the coolest things I'veever seen you know and so it just goesto show you that the jam is not thedefining thing it's and the win andwinning a jam is not the defining thingit's it's like the moments that you'recreating the moments that you create theway you inspire and an hour inspire byothers and the way you inspire otherswith dancing from a genuine place youknow just yeah though though manydancers have come to me over the yearsand said oh what do you think I shouldwork on and what would you recommend forthis you know Ana's like okay you knowwe'll onewhat is your end goal are you looking towin a jam or are you looking to beremembered mmmyou know because those are twocompletely different things yeah yeahyou know and then I usually bring up theanalogy of things like Cujo and Rob andstuff like that you know and that thatwhen people bring up their name they'realways like people now automaticallyknow who they are yeah you know andthey're inspired and think like wow likeyeah he dances like nobody's businesslike I don't even know how he came upwith that you know whereas there's manyothers that that are amazingthey you know they are they execute youknow mm-hmm well maybe they just haven'tfound their Oh something that makes thatstands out but solely yeah it's wherethis belongs to this person like nonobody dances like this guy you knowwhen somebody tells me like Oh ace youknow like I don't know I don't think Idance like okay I suppose maybe becauseI don't think too much about my owndance I just enjoy the process always inprocess and you know and I just there'sa just a genuine joy in dance but whensomebody comes to me and says oh manlike yeah like when you dance like Iknow it's you like nobody dances likeyou I mean like you bring that brings mea joy and satisfaction because that's myend goal I don't know if I'm if I'mdoing it you know and on to what levelyou know but for me I want the freedomof being me I want you know when I danceI'm trying to just find me all the timeyeah you know and and it's a continualthing because we're ever-changing we'reever-growing you know like the me ofninety-one should not be the me of nowmm-hmmyou know I should be a different me soeven even when I go out and dance todayI'm searching for my truth today who ami today you know and just being open toif that'sdifferent you know I think for the mostpart it's going to there's gonna be afeel of who you are but but new aspectsof yourself yeah you know and I don'tknow for me that that's what II thought about creativity as an artistit's not to just hold on to you know tofind yourself but doesn't mean you haveto be the you of three years ago or lastweek or you know like that person wasamazing at that time love it cherish itand move on move on because you can'tever recreate those moments thosemoments were wonderful at that time butif you're stuck there you know it'snever gonna be the same you know you cando the same combination it's never gonnabe exactly the way it was at that momentin time on that day and you know andyeah I had to learn that a long time agotoo you know I had this some differentamazing moments you know that that justcame about and I tried to recreate themand worse worse sessions ever justbecause that moment had passed you knowand the moment I came to the realizationthat you gotta let go you know andunderstand that that was a beautifulmoment at that time but that is overyeah and and trust like we talked abouton a DNA level that whatever your bodyis telling you and wherever you're at atthat point in timetrust it go with it as long as you feelyou're notimitating or copying somebody else youyou're kind of finding your way andfinding your truth for that day that'swhere the beauty lies kind of embracingthe view of right now and moving with itof course because I know buddy's justgonna change and being a completelydifferent person but you can finddefinitely new elements of yourself youknow if you're open to it and for methat that's what makes you knowbeing an artist so much fun it isfinding these new parts of yourself likeevery single day yeah yeah so if youwere to go back in time to the 91version of you and tell that version ofyou I guess some advice what would youdo what would that be oh god you know II'm not really sure about what I wouldtell myself back then because I'veenjoyed the process the whole way youannounced observe you know like you meanobserve myself of old or observe you nowgoing back in time to see the 91 versionof you would you say anything or no oryou just observe or just well you knowit that's a double-edged sword toobecause yeah it might change well youknow like for me I've enjoyed thejourney yeah the journey is fun it's allabout you know like it's all about thejourney like you know the beauty oftoday like I've had so many amazingmoments throughout my life but I thinkit's because I understand that I'm onlygiven today I don't like iived at thispoint just because I woke up everysingle morning and said well I stilllove it so I'm gonna do it like that'sitI've never in my wildest dreams wouldhave imagined that going on near 30years that I'm still you know 45 yearsold still busting still still breakingyou know stay still dance in period at45 you know when I was a teenager youknow 16 year old you know a 16 year oldkid started we thought somebody who youknow busted for nine years was like whoaat that he's so gee like that's coollike nine years yeah like in here yeahmore than tripled that yeah you know and[Music]yeah like that's it's just crazy to eventhink that that we would still be denserand andlevel like you know that that's you knowone of the things that me and storm weretalking about the other daywas the the joy of dancing still at highlevel having high expectations forourselves and saying I never ever wantold man props like I'm sorry I dancebecause when I dance you know like I dothe things I do I take pride in my dancelike I love the process but make nomistake about it when I'm on a dancefloor with other dancers I want them tounderstand that I'm a bad man yeah thatthat when I do things that I do thingsthat that they can't do even youngeryeah like you know doing walks clotheslike you know certain Power Movecombinations that I can do it 45 that itthat some of the younger cats can docats don't do walks like me and Cujoyeah yeah yeah they just don't it's it'snot the same the the west coastmerry-go-rounds Deadman's all thedifferent high level sky turtlescarousels whatever you want to call themlike all the different variations wewalk around that we glide around a roomwith our body fully extended we're nothopping in one place you know and I knowa lot of people they don't know theydon't understand you know and on somelevel yeah it's weird and arrogant butthe walks that are out there are on anelementary level in comparison to theway that me and Cujo dueled is like ohit's a lost art I think I mean a lot ofit absolutely it absolutely is andpeople will never understand it untiluntil they try it when they when theystart down the journey of doing it theway me and Cujo do it they understandthere they have a what that hell momentlife you knowone of the homies gastro fromGuadalajara he was down here in LosAngeles dude is so strong super superstrong has amazing walks the wayeveryone else does him mmmhoppy well you know no problem knock itout the box I started taking him undermy wingyou know Cujo was trying to show himselfand then he started showing up andwanting to practice with me in Seoul Itook him under my wing and started toteach him the way me and Cujo did do andlike I said can do it the way everyoneelse does it like nobody's business andhis can hold his body straight out likenobody's business very strong butlearning how to do it the right way theway we do it West Coast walks hestruggled struggled struggled struggledand he was like I'm so tired brothank god this is so hard bro like youknow like month you know good monthworking with him regularly strugglingyeah and finally he started to get it atthe end but this was like like a regularthing that I was working with himimparting my knowledge telling him don'tput your hand here and get your hipsover here faster do this you know alongwith all of his already previousknowledge and he struggled with it andhe's starting to finally get it at theend but then he had to go back toGuadalajara and I told him practicepractice practicebecause high level walks is not likeregular moves yeah like if I were toassociate it regular like most movesthat you get it it's like once you getit you get it it's kind of like aone-night stand with high-level walksthat's a marriage you're in a long-termcommitment you better keep at it becauseshe will get up and walk and leaveshe will leave you and I told him thisabout six months you know to a year likebetween there went to vacation you knowwhen on vacation in Mexico was downthere and got a lotta met up with himand his crew and he told me I'm so sorrybroI lost him like I didn't I didn't listento you I didn't practice them andthey're gone and so I told him okay youknow I'm gonna teach you again like youknow and we'll work at it this timestick with it I have to see his accountto see where he's at but it just showsit just it's an example of how just howdifficult high-level walks are the wayCujo and I do them really are and I takea lot of pride in that and I can stillmean Cujo both can do all of our walksyou know different combinations thatwe've done from the past we can still dothem at a high level in our 40s yeah andfor me I take a lot of you know like themoment I I can't dance the way I want todancethen maybe maybe I'm gonna stop I don'tknow like I haven't gotten at that pointyet yeah you know but but I don't wantold man props you know I don't wantsomebody to say oh man you should haveseen ace back in the days like oh likeyou can't you can't tell can't see youcan't see it now you know but he used tobe really good yeah you know the thingthat brings me most joy is when a dancerwho doesn't even know me comes over tome and says hey yeah like hey what'syour name like where are you from likedude you're really good and then when Itell them who I am and a little bit ofmy history for them to have that youknow more like like I love that you knowbecause those props from a really gooddancer you mean more oh I mean you knowmore times than not it's a really gooddancer you know somebody I say all thatguy's pretty good you know and then theymake their way over and reciprocate thatsame love and admiration saying hey whoare you like you know when you walk overto somebody that you just don't evenknow and say I kind of have to know whoyou are like I think highly enough ofyour dance that I want to know who youare and then you know then to find thehistory later you know like and then ofcourse the admiration is much deeperonce they find out like well you're thisperson you're a kudos teacher you'rethis person's teacher you're four howold are you yeah all 45 what you knowlike like for me that is yeah there's asatisfaction and enjoy because just asan artist I want whoever it is it givesme respect or respects what I do I wantit to be from a genuine place like ifit's not there I don't want it becausethen that will feed by motivation towork harder to get back to where I needto be yeah like you know and there's youknow like I understand there's good playpeople come from good places whenthey're being nice but there's alsosomething that handicaps the otherperson whether it be kids or girls orwhatever it might bemm-hmm the reason why we've got into thepeople who have gotten good it's becausethere's there's a need of wanting to beappreciated to be recognized to bevalidated by others that they admire youknow there's a hunger you know not tosay people don't fulfill their own cupby like you know being an artist butthey're I firmly believe that you knowand I think that that we all want to berecognized by others we admire you knowwe want to be validated and for thatperson say that dude is good you knowlike III really you know like what thatfor the person I admire admires what Ido yeah Wow like okay that's you knowand that feeds our hunger that feeds ourflame you know so whatever it is Ialways want it to come from a genuineplace you know and like I say meansstorm we're laughing about that likedude like I call it quits you know likeif I can't do what I do and and feelgood about my dance when I step on adance floor like I don't want anyonegiving me pity props I don't wantsomebody saying oh that was you knowpretty good good job don't do it walkawayyeah like oh you still got it yeah likeit's not that you still got it it's likeit never left it was always here and itgot better so that's that's what you'regoing foralways I'm looking to grow I'm lookingto be a factor I'm looking to inspireyou know myself and others you know likeand I think a lot of really greatartists have this about themselves tothat they are their own biggest criticyeah you know like yeah I know I like wetalked about having a vision you knowlike I know what I want to do and I youknow it's something that that's been adouble-edged sword because I've alwaysbeen hard on myself to I could dosomething incredible and it didn't workout the way I wanted to and I kind ofwalked away like walked out of thecircle like it wasn't amazing you knowwe're where others are like you knoweven pump you spoke about popo used totell me to he had to kind of help mewith that too yeah where he's like dudewhat are you doing like you didsomething amazing and you walked awaywith your head down like he's like don'tthat like you know play you know whetherwhat it would like nobody else knew thatyou messed up like in your own head youmight have messed up yeah but nobodyelse knew that I was like I'll tell youthat right now nobody else knew that theonly way they knew it is you walked awaywith youso that was you know that was somethingthat I'm good you break very preciselyto and so like I can imagine where youmeant to put your foot exactly in thisspot but you missed it by an inch andyou're like oh I messed up but literallyno one can tell that you didn't put itan inch backwards where it was supposedto be and you missed it so you'd get upand go like oh crap I messed that up andthen they're like I don't know that wascrazy disappointed and that's you knowthat that's kind of been my you know myblessing and my curse because becauseI'm always out there searching for myown perfection it it pushes me I striveyou know I've worked I've always been aworker like I said I had two left feetyou know people will see me they're likewhat what do you mean you know but thatwas terrible mm-hmm I was terrible Iworked for everything that I had I'veI've had to break down use trained usemy mind you know more than the averagedancer because I had to like I've alwayshad to break down yeah an understandingof a step a combination of power movebody positioning like where I should beat a certain point in time so when I'mable to t like one I could a teacherit's helped me to really be a goodteacher to others because I myself couldnot do without having a full grasp orunderstanding you understand theintricacies of making them move yeah andI you know I think you can make moveswork but I think for me where it's beena blessing too is you know I've beenable to continue to grow and find moreefficient ways of doing things because Ijust because I can do something doesn'tmean I feel like that's the only way andthat there's not a better way I'm alwayssearching to see if there's a better wayI'm always questioning myself like yeahI feel it this way but I'm open to thepossibilities that I can do it better orthat there is a better way you knowbecause where I where I did something atthat point in time yeah it was effectiveyou know but yeah there's more you knowand we found a bunch of new ways whetherit be power moves or style of saying youknow what if you put your foot downfaster here you put this knee down youknow like and then we tried we're likeyeah that does work like dope and thenjust a whole new range of possibilitiescome in constantly you know so yeah it'samazing man I love it well I think withthat being said we could probably inthis show we've been going for an hourand 15 minutes already kind of timeflies by right yeah well yeah man Iappreciate you having me on you knowlike just being able to speak about allthe possibilities and the culture andour artistry mm-hmm you know cuz cuzthat's what we are you know I I alwaysappreciate the opportunities for to justconversate ya know it's important tokind of spread the ideas that we allhave and just put it out into the worldand see what other people have to sayabout it and just you know I guess theZulu nation each one teach one is it'simportant it's important in hip-hop todo that well yeah it's it's going to youknow like we're only a moment in time weare just a piece of of all of this so ifwe keep it to ourselves where does allthat knowledge go after after we're doneafter we leave you know like like I saidwe're only promised today so even withsomebody who has good intentions ohmaybe later I'll get around to it youknow like they're not promised that timeso you know yeah being able to sharewith each other is a vital part of anysociety yeah and as we said this dancehip hop is still in its infancy in a wayand that it you know there's so muchhistory that's you know beyond us soit's good to get these ideas out now andjust because you know we don't knowwhere the scenes gonna go from here andI mean it's it's it's exciting to seewhat is in store for the future anddefinitely yeah so well thank you forcoming on do you have any last-minuteshoutouts or anything you want to say orany plugs or anything which oh well justyou know the guys you know my brotherswhether it be master movements soulcontrol you know my my variousinspirations around the world you knowmy teacher airnow Coloma you know likeforgiving me just an opportunity youknow and even when he sees me now youknow he says and you were like the lastperson I ever would have thought wouldhave made hey you know yeah an impactbut look II look at you after all theseyears you know but but nobody canmeasure your heart your desire your playyour you know and many of the greatdancers I see around the world startedwith similar themes to where it was hardfor them at the beginning but nobody canmeasure their heart so you know if youhave a want for something do it for youyou know in the end always do it for youand have fun doing it the whole waythrough don't let anyone tell you whatyou can ordo I had that from the very beginningand many others have also we can dowhatever we put our mind to and I won'thave fun along the way here to herealright thanks you guys for listening[Music][Music]you 

Darren Wong, a member of the famous dance group the Kinjas, discusses his beginnings in dance and business, and goofs around with some dude.Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. All The Links Here: https://linktr.ee/NoiseOfTheBrokeBoysA broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.----more----[Music]this episode of noise of the broke boysis brought to you by cardboard yesthat's right I'm talking about the samecardboard that is used to protect youryear's supply of preparation-h as it isshipped from the warehouse to yourresidence same cardboard that used tospin on your back because you were toobroke and lazy to walk to that freepractice session that your local hip-hopscene provides and yes that samecardboard that was used to make theposter of Justin Bieber that you hide inyour closet don't worry as a truebeliever myself I will not let yoursecret out have you ever wondered whatthat be and cardi B's name stands forwell its board this is car D boardsupplying your local strip club with thefreshest tunes cardboard is smoothstrong and stylish it's the perfectreplacement for all your card stockneeds head down to your local dumpsterand dive right in to pick up the latestshipment of cardboard and have yourselfa cardi board e time and now onto theshow[Music]in this episode I bring in a good dancebuddy I've had since high school webasically came up together as b-boys inthe early 2000s and grew to love hip hopculture together he is a member of theworld famous dance group the kynges andcurrently lives in the SouthernCalifornia area teaching and managingthe various dance schools that thekynges have built from the ground upplease enjoy this episode with my goodfriend Darren Wong hello everybodywelcome to the diarrhea doodoo show thisis noise of the broke boys I am yourhost Kurt rocks key and today I have oneof my oldest dance friends he is amember of the kynges or if you don'tknow they are ninja cosplayers that alsodo dance they do not root Oh cosplay andthen they're also good dancers as wellright I've known this guy for quite awhile I went to high school with him Ihad a crush on his mother yeah she wasmy math teacher and yeah what's up manthis is d-money mr. Darren Wong what'sup yeah so dude I haven't talked to youin a minute when did I last see youprobably my wedding huh yeah becauseyou've been living out in LA for aminute huhyeah probably since 2007yeah and we went to school like irvineright you went to UC irvine you movedout here and have been out here sincethen Yeah right cool um cool so likewhen I first met you um you were alreadylike you already knew what's up withdance I mean you were already kind ofdancing and this was you were a freshmanin high school and I wasJr probably yeah thank Junior so I don'tknow what I was doing hanging out withjuniors I mean hanging out with freshmenwhen I was a junior oh yeah I guess soyeah yeah you were cool and I was uncoolso we like met in the middle a littlebit yes we were about both sophomoresyeah I guess soso when I met you yeah you were alreadyinto dance so like what got you intodance I think like most guys who want todance a girl of course I wanted toimpress a particular girl maybe wiseI think particular girl in like middleschool so I wanted to do breaking cuz Ithought that was like the closest thingI could do since I did martial arts umso then I basically just tried to findany video I could through like illegalway times before YouTube and just learnfrom that just practice in a garage withmy homieand then yeah so did you get the girlnow got different go there oh it allworked outsweet yeah no uh back then that was like2001 Pro yeahdude did the internet yet exist yeahyeah I just remember like going to whatwas it b-boy calm or org or somethingyeah yeah yeah yeah and they had thoselike they had gifts but they're not likethe gifts you see now they were likeyeah it'd be a 10-second thing butthere's only five frames in it so you'relike oh what is he a bad call yeahbecause I remember letti trying to getthat stupid page to load that taught youhow to doturtles yeah and it was a it was a gifof I think Cujo doing him and like I youknow you wait ten minutes for it to loadyeah and then it finally loads and it'sjust like dude and I was like how thehell did he do that like the wholereason I waited so long for this to loadwas to see how to do that in slow motionbut no it skipped like 15 frames so Imissed it allyes yeah stupid b-boy org I hope youdon't exist anymore no actually I hopeyou do but I hope you're listening tothis instead I'm sorry I love your giftsice yeah I downloaded them that's that'sall bad when you're like downloadinggifts you downloaded gifts to like learnhow to break yeah it's the animatedpicture it's yeah that's terriblebut anyways somehow we got to wearanimated gifts to a finalist on world ofdance Thank You b-boy da or you are andyou are the people the People's Choiceforgives so do you still rep PandaExpress so we back when we went to highschool together we went to El Caminohigh school we made this crew togetheras like kind of a joke and we called itPanda Express cute cuz all of us werejust the only Asian kids there and yeahall of us just decided to break is thatAsian Club or is that like breaking ClubI don't know it could be both breakingClub and Asian Club had the same membersso anyways yeah we made it and we calledit Panda Express crew cuz I'm tired youknow we actually yeah we didthat's even funnier that wewe battled people as panda that's thebest part but anyways so since highschool you've like you've had a prettydecorated list of like groups you'vebeen a part ofof course like legendary steps flexibleFlav you were in Cabo modern right youwere leading that crew right yeah yesyears table modern the what would youcall them the hip hop dance choreo danceyeah I feel like there's like multipleteams that you see I cop modern isprobably like one of them one of the topwomen's tops and then the other onewould be CADC which is where mm-hmm Mikeand Anthony the two creators of Kim justcame from actually okay yeah so thenyeah obviously kynges and now you're inunderground flow it is also a Sacramentooh yeah uh so how did you get involvedwith kynges I mean I guess he kind ofalluded to it but yeah so when I was afreshman in college there's this thingcalled Casa dance-off which is like aKorean club basically it's like thisKorean club they put together it's onlyfreshmen so if you're a freshman you'reallowed to compete in like thischoreography showcase basically sobasically every school has their ownteam in their own choreographers sothat's kind of where I met Mike andAnthony at the same time and then at thesame time Victor Kim who used to likemmm yep I know you're trying to elude mebut him yo Victor was telling me like ohyou should go for like either one ofthese cuz he's like you know the topcrews so that I never go in with tabajust cuz they did more breaking piecesand I didn't know like choreo choreo soI went with that and then that's likekind of how I met both of them thoughthrough Casa dance-off cos mm-hmm werethere choreographing mmm and so then youguys they formed they they formed thecrew or conceptualized it or whateverand then they reached out to youyeah so basically the way King justformed was Anthony was going away towork somewhere else so they wanted to doone last showcase together and bringingall the homies that they've alwayswanted to dance with so they just likehand-picked like pretty much the toppeople from each crew that they don'tknew and like we're still friends withand then they don't know case and thenall of a sudden people really liked itand they're like oh shoot this is likesomething we might be able to do it'slike some seven cent money yeah that'sthat's a that's a very normal or like amuch toned down version that I wasthinking it was I thought you guys maybelike went to like a comic-con you're alllike dressed as ninjas and then justlike and then just all of a suddenstarted like dancing and then you'relike oh he's a dancing ninjaoh you're dancing ninja and you're alljust like oh we should join a PowerRangers ninja force oh no wait nevermindlet's uh let's just join it let's make acrew together yeah that would have beenthe cooler origins I guess that that onewas too normal for me so that's what I'mgonna I'm gonna cut out what you justsaid and just say that's whatbut yeah so then okay so then you jointogether and then the underground flowtwins Steven and Michael they joined -they got reached out to and who else doyou have in that crew good it's got alot of yeah you boys I mean it's Victorused to do it in the very beginning okaywhen they were on boob black ops yet sowhat is it ANBU black opsthat's literally from the ANBU black opsyeah so then that was Lin like for surewe were doing a lot of it never you tostuff what the hell and we changed it tojust be you know dancing I don't knowNaruto but that sounds like a reallyterrible BG show ANBU black hot we'relike I don't know some care right wechanged it yeah okay was it roll out thetalkiesno not at all oh yeah you guys wouldhave definitely lost forever we got suedto you you got sued and lost ANBU blackops is off the show okay so that'sthat's dope um so you guys wrapped asthat name eventually came up with kyngeswhat like what is what does kynges meanI guess like I just assumed as ninjasthat are Korean or not a lot of peoplealways guess that it's not the only onekin means family mm-hmm and then I gotdances ninjas so keeping up with thekynges that's what's upso um if people don't know this kyngeseventually went to world of dance whichwas like a TV dance competition showthat had tons of different dancers onthere and like a million-dollar prizeright and so you guys were competing init and you guys were the finalists of itand you lost to got out too late twinsbut should have been these dudes no I'mkidding they're good yeah actually wegot to the finalists for our group soit's like finalists for like soloistsand duo's and then there's finalists forgroups and then there's finalists for itwas like called kids or whatever thatwas yeah so we lost - JLo salsa team JLosalsa team yeahoh they're dope they're dope they'relike definitely high energy I feel okaymaybe I missed I didn't watch the wholeseason I watched like the ending ya knowwhat's confusing different groups it waslike yeah there was a lot and there wasso many different stylesthe other thing well anyway so that'slike that got you guys a lot of Fame andstuff so you guys now are like you knowteaching and then doing shows and stuffso like I guess what what where has thatgotten you now and like what are whatare you guys planning to do in thefuture so actually today we're opening anew studio in downtown LA it's calledthe complex so we have that we have wedid like a Kickstarter IndieGoGo typething for our first studio in MontereyParkmmm called kynges dojo we currently havethree studios I believe in China overall over these Chinamen China a lot nowcuz you got you just got back from Chinalike a couple weeks ago dang so youworried that what's I figured you werethere doing like shows or something yeahyeah so we have a lot of work in Chinanow too so all over the place other thanthat just teaching with around the worldworkshops normal stuff some of the guyschoreographed for like kpop stuff wellthat's that yeah so pretty much anythingto do it dance and music we're trying tobe have our little hands in I guess andthen yeah your your little hands youhave like your little swords yeah how doyou guys actually dance with foot I justknow you walked around like one day someweapons throwing some like yeah you knowuh so okay so in China I wouldn'timagine hip-hop dance is popular inChina but apparently it is now it is itis they started making it mean well youknow how like China's government is theylike time control what people see so nowthey're living like dance be a big thingoh that's so that's why I think it'skind of blowing up a lot more nowthere's a political reason for thatwhy would I don't know money has lessmoney yeah they don't I don't know Idon't know how a China works actuallycuz they're communist country yeah Idon't know how their money works so Igot a lot of it got a lot of it andthey're giving it all to you guys teachthem dance and do shows for that so coolyou're like a that's the most Americanthing you can do dude you're a patriotlet's dump so so like what is the dancescene like in China like I've been toChina because I used to do shows withNBA dance shows and so I went to inChina probably like two or three yearsago and so there was like a huge youknow huge NBA crowd there the and they'dfreaking love basketball and but we werethere and it seemed like they reallyenjoyed what we were doing too but theymaybe weren't too familiar with it Iguessbut it seemed like a cool place to likefor it to blow up someday and I knowthat the breaking song is starting togrow a little bit sorry my dog isbarking H so I so another breaking sceneis starting to blow up a little bit moreand you're seeing more cruising stuffcome from there I don't know if otherhip-hop styles are like you know there'screws in those Styles coming from Chinabut seems like it's a growing place yeahfor sureI think the dancers over there likethey're hungry to like learn so likethey're leveling up pretty quickly sothey're coming coming from the lead foreverybody are they dressed as ninjasno they got them like Crouching TigerHidden Dragon outfit you know what I'mtalking aboutthe kung-fu outfit they dress likenormal hip-hop what if they made a movielike Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon butit was just dancing maybe and they juststart flying yeah it would like fly ohyeah it's heavy dope we could just makeit I would watch it but I'm not Chineseit needs to be in Chinese and then likehave subtitles or whatever like dub overit I guess you could do that just justsay something else and then your mouthis moving differently oh man yeah that'sa I think it's ideas are yeah yeah thatsounds like a quick way to get introuble so um yeah so that's that'stight that you guys are in China doinglike a lot of them cool things umso aside from teaching and stuff arethere any big shows that you guys areworking on like I'm comparing you tolike maybe Jabbawockeez who lives whohave a show out in Vegas that theyperform and then they also had starteddoing some traveling thing or whateverbut yeah they do they're doing showslike all over the place is that like inthe cards for you guys to I think we'vealways talked about doing like our owntheater show I think there's just somuch going on right now that there'salways something in the background thatis happening as far as I know I thinkwe're just more focused right now onjust one this complex opening and thenyeah from there we'll see where thatleads I guess mm-hmmbut I'm pretty sure in the future wewould love to do it like a theater showyeah you know it's just funya know I think that that's that's acool way to like let to like let yourstuff shine and you get full control oflike what yeah well assuming you getfull control I mean probably you got towork with a lot of the other theaterpeople to make sure that they're gettingwhat they need out of it but but yeahyou got a lot more control of like whatyou can do you could say I want thisexact music I want to extend this partso long you know compared I'm comparingit to like something like what you didon world of danceyou would do a set that's like a minutelong or whatever um have to getcopyrights versus music yeah oh yeahthere's a lot of stuff you got to do thered tape there's a lot of red tape yeahthat and so many hoops to jump throughand then there's a lot of productionstaff that are like giving you ordersdifferent so I imagine that that kind oflike I don't know it lets you notcontrol it as much as you probably wantyou know like because I imagine when Ido stuff I go oh I have this vision forand then someone goes oh well that songdoesn't work yeah oh well actuallysuccessful what the heck was I gonna sayI was gonna ask you something I forgotoh so at your studio at your dancestudio like you have now you have threeyou said three Studios in China and youhave two in LA and are you planning togo anywhere else like he's always likean option I mean people always ask us toopen studios you know near them so EastCoast yeah maybeokay like pretty much anywhere is anoption I think I guess it probablydepends on where you're people areplanning to go cuz you obviously need tohave some of your people there mhm allof them are here right yeah I would saymost of us are here and then we havepartners called sino stage those are ourpartners in China okay I run that overtherenow do the students that go there dothey have to wear ninja outfits no Imean if you want you can what if Idislike you know we go to Disneylandit's like okay to dress up I feel likeif you're walking it's like mashed upyou're like cool you're like no one'sgonna look at you what would I have towear it for them to like kick me outit's like what's the limit here what ifI was with a ninja next question alrightthat's that's the end of that so I withwith all your successI imagine you've you've seen a lot oflike cool things in your life so can youtell me maybe about like the coolestthing you've seen like that dance hasbrought you to or like the mostinspirational or even the funniest orall three as a good question I guess thecoolest would have to be world of dancethat was like just being surrounded bypretty much everybody's like a master intheir craft you're basically like in aroom with like a bunch of masters andthey're just like vibing out togethereveryone's like friendly so there waslike no hate or beef so that was coolfor sure I think that was like thenumber one memory traveling wise I wouldsay maybe going to like the Philippineslike seeing like there's like a dota 2championship or something like that ohthe video game yeah so is like a Oh achampionship and then like the GreenRanger was there and the Green Rangerwas he actually dressed up as the greenI don't know does he wear like regularclothes cuz that's what they wouldalways do right I don't know if I wasthe green I would do that all except Iwouldn't want to be the Green Ranger I'dprobably be the what I hate the blackRanger well you know because cuz Zakfrom the original one would be likelet's go he'd like strike he'd be he'ddo a body roll into a fighting stanceand it was like the dough fish at leastwhen I was ten years old or wheneverwhatever I was when I watched that I waslike that's how you fight then I gotbeat up your sets man bring it backno I just want to getstreet fights like that just like a whatdid you say to me let's goit's morphin time then like as I'm doingthat they're like beating me up I knowyeah my yeah that sounds like a bad ideadon't do that but it was cool to watchyeah cuz he was just they were justfighting do you know the little likepudding whatever I never understood thatactually I don't understand cuz it justwas like clay and then they all of asudden we're like things and you justkicked them once again dead and I'm likeman you guys screwed up a little bitlike if you put all your faith in liketaking over the world with those littlethings like dude you guys or why didn'tyou just form one giant putty baby yeahseriously like why did you pick thatlittle that little guy why didn't youjust make a Godzillayeah and just say hey you don't need tofight nobody just walk around this cityand you know by the time the PowerRangers like get there like thingtogether and kick you like half the cityalready destroyed man I should have beenRita Rapunzel it's time to conquer earthlet's make look like monsters to getbeat up High School is basically righthigh schoolers led by a giant head ledby a giant head who's never fought a dayin his lifecome on dude Power Rangers jeez I don'tknow shout out the Power Rangers don'tsponsor this show Oh God look at me ohdamn um so like what about what is thereany like movie opportunities like in theworks for you guys mm good question Idon't know I mean I feel like most dancemovies don't go as far as like theydon't you would want them to go yeah Imean but yes oviedo yes I actuallyalways thought about writing a scriptfor a movie that had to do withhip-hop and breaking mmmthat would show more of like the therawness behind it because every dancemovie I've seen has always beencheesiest yeah yeah yeah sure it's likeyou know I'll watch beach street orwhatever just to see the dancing andthen as soon as they start talkingoh you biters you ain't worth the beatthat's what's the point I turned it offyou know I mean but so I've alwayswanted to see a movie like that and Icompare it to eight milelike with mmm where he you know he'sjust like it's almost just a story of emand em really but like there's I feellike they just put like a really grittylike you know veil over it to show themore raw side of like anti popping andyou know battle rapping and stuff and soI always thought that that'd be dope totake that on with with breaking yeah letme double its um yeah I don't know thattelling the real story of like someone'slife versus a little bit cuz like thisis dance somebody yeah the things thathave always bothered me and it kind ofwhy I started this podcast was because Iwould always see like Hollywoodportrayal of breaking and hip-hop danceand it's always like let's do hit hayeah and I'm like alright yeah maybe Imean if you're you know I'm not tryingto like shame that but there's more toit than then hip-hop there's uh you knowlike what I mean I saw some stupid videoof like there's a girl going like andyou know like it was some weird dantlike teaching how to do some stupiddance in a music video and I was likethat's where we he was so it was funnybut uh it might have been a jokeactually um but it was just like yeahthat's not the hip-hop Ino so I wantedto like show the other side of it andtalk to people who've like you knowlived through it and are still livingthrough it to put that on there so thatyou know people who don't know hip-hopdon't just get the one-sided view fromthe Hollywood perspective because reallyHollywoodI think the way Hollywood looks at isthey go okay what is cool looking mm-hmmthis isn't the highlight of our movie ora commercial or whatever we just want tosee some cool moves and look and peoplesmiling it's donewhich is fine like I think that's cooltoo cuz you know any exposure is goodexposure but if that's all you ever seeyou go all like what is breaking what iship-hop what is this it's people smilingand doing backflips and second there's alot more to it than that there's like ahuge hustle behind it there's you knowlong hours at a studio or you know onthe concrete if you like that I meanthere's long there's long hours justlike putting into your craft and stuffthat I think you miss if you only see itso but yeah so that's why I wanted tobring you on because you obviously havegone through the hustle and a struggleto get to where you are and that's whyI've brought on a lot of other peopleand yeah yeah maybe someday I'll write amovie huh sounds dope I think it's justlike if you really understood like howmuch even like physically we go throughthe risk we're putting our bodiesthrough even not just for like now butin the future like it's kind of it'skind of crazythat's great because it's like it's likegetting beat up every day you're notlike you're not getting black eyesyou're definitely doing stuff that Imean I guess as an example like when Iwas learning windmills I would go homeevery day with like a bruise on myshoulder a bruise on my hip and then Icome back the next day and do it againand then the bruza just get bigger andbigger and bigger and then you know andthen tons of scars and then eventually Ithink my body just got used to and waslike alright you win no more no morebruises and then it stopped bruising andit stopped hurting but I'm pretty surethat's gonna correct it for sure forsure so I take care of our bodies gottatake care you're younger you know wedidn't stretch we do just like jump inand just go for ityeah that was I do that all the timeand it wasn't until I tore my meniscusmy right knee and like the doctor waslike you're gonna need surgery you'renever gonna break again and I like it'sover for meand then yes I was just like tripping atthat point and trying to figure out youknow how to how to how to get throughthat and so then I put I just took likea whole year off from dance and just letit heal I was like really scared ofgetting surgery because I had a bunch offriends that got the surgery yeah and sothen um they they think they couldn'tlike dance so as much as they couldafter the surgery saw a super scared ofit and so I just said what do I have tolose let me just quit like a year andsee what happens and if I really can'tmove then I'll go and get a surgery andthat's it the doctor told me that thatwouldn't be a big deal so to wait for itas long as I'm not like did you getsurgery no I didn't get surgery right soI took the whole healed by cell took theyeah and I went to a physical therapistworked out my knee got a lot of like youknow work done on it and and you knowand I just rested a long time cuz I toremy meniscus in high school remember yeahand then you got like hand hopsyeah you got crazy hand offs hey Ididn't know you like tort and dude nosurgery that's crazyyeah cuz I was scared I probably I meanat that moment if I was in a differentmysaid I probably would have got it but Iwas like dude if I get a surgery and Idon't need it and or and like messes itup because the surgery basically youhave a flap of your meniscus which is abunch of cartilage between your knees isit's like torn and doing all sorts ofwaving in the wind and stuff and itfirst of all cartilage takes a long timeto heal so it's it's gonna it's gonnahave problems and then the surgery isthey like they cut it off yeah yeahright move it clean it so then if it'snot perfect like now there's rubbingthere so then they say what happens islike you can get arthritis and lots ofproblems later on in your life too andthen your knee is gonna functiondifferently now that that's not therecuz you you essentially do need thatthere but yeah because it's it's causingmore problems it's causing pain they'llcut it off yeah yeah and so I guess minehealed was kind of healing weird and soI just went to the physical therapistand they would just break down scartissue until it eventually got into agood place where it doesn't bother meand so it really doesn't bother meeither I mean it's good like once in awhile like if it's cold or somethingI'll feel like a little bit of pain orold man like that so that there's thatand then I man I injured my shouldersboth of my shoulders this one was frommy right shoulder was on a I waspracticing do you know what a Arabiantwist flip is it's like you it's likeyou kind of jump like you're gonnabackflip and then you twist 180 and thenfront flip so I was doing that so like Ihave to throw you have to throw your armkind of like this and I threw it way toohard enough effed up my rotator cuff andat that time I was learning air flaresand I had probably like two or three atthat time and so I had a quit Air flightso I lost my air flares and then I coulddude I had to quit breaking for a longtime because of that came back zero airflares zero Arabian twist and a lot ofother moves that I lost yeah okay then Istarted working again getting all thesethings backand then I was working with the warriorsat the time and we were doing theseshows and there was this crazy trickthat we were trying to figure out how todo where I don't you actually me and youmade this trick with Vince the one youknow the one where Vince what's do thesplits on the ground and then I wouldjump and then you jump in here maybe Iwas jumping over you I don't rememberbut we would do that so we were doingthat except our friend Quang who's likethe buffest guy I know he's doing likehis planche like push-ups down whereVince would have been and then one guyjumps over him and then I was jumpingover that guy and then we got anotherguy who gets thrown over here so it waslike it all happens at the same time soit goes boom yeah and so while we werepracticing this he missed oh and landedstraight on me so I went headfirst intothe ground hit my shoulders super hardand it just like effed on my shoulderand so I went to the doctor they're likeoh yeah this is like a common linebackerinjury and I was like yeah cuz I'm afreak yeah look at me and yeah just likedon't don't do whatever you're doing andI'm like okay what do I do and they'relike that's all you can do all right sothen then I lost air flares again andnow my now both shoulders are messed upand this is my catching shoulder soundslike it's hard to get yeah I always likenot to not too happy with that so I haveair flares a long time ago man I can hittwo once in a while if I can deal withthe pain in the shoulder but if I'm notdown to do that and usually I'm not it'slike yeah it's kind of like oh yeah yeahthat's an airflow I guess so yeah that'sthat's the pains of life of a b-boyyeah yeah so do you have any um chronicinjuries from dancing hmm I'm stilldealing with the torn back even to thecorner back yeahso I think I like twisted wrong I feellike I tore a muscle in it hasn't beenconfirmed yet but when was that that'sbeen like two years I've been every nowand then my back will pull so I can'teven like bend over to get my caroh that's been fun sometimes I get likea weird back pain it's not like nearlyas bad but sometimes it'll be like oohwhat's going on like it makes it so ifyou're like in a weird position it likehurts a lot soon I don't know yeah forsure that the meniscus tear sucked forsure when I try to learn air flares backin the day my shoulder went out of placeI stopped doing that oh yeah I was thereI don't know if you're doing air flarebut I remember you did pop your shoulderat once yeah doing a hand holding fundid yeah I'm lucky I didn't and thatnever happened to me because that wouldbe and we were yelling back then too solike yeah you pop it probably whenyou're a sophomore dude that sucksyeah and then you just started learninghand hops on the other hand yeah andlike you know now you can hand off for ayear yeah it's like riding a bike Inever practice them anymoreright and you could just do it yeah heyno weird I get to hand hops threehandouts maybe so you know yeah yeah Ineed a break my soul no - well actuallyI guess that's a good thing for you likeif you ever lost your legs just be likei'm handi-capable hop around dude thatis sickbut yeah injuries for sure suck yeahit's like you know it was like in theend it's my job so like if somethinggoes wrong mm-hmm game overoh I want to see if like dance startsblowing up to the point where it's likea sport and stuff like you know I get Iguess with the Olympics and stuff I wantto see you know if it was at the NBAlevel and they had all these likeyou know good doctors and stuff likeworking with these athletes to keeptheir bodies like perfectly how goodpeople would get yeah for sure becauseI'm 100% with that yeah I mean Artie Ithink already you're seeing like it's alot of now little kids who probablytheir parents were b-boys or B girlsback in the day are now like ten yearsold and you know double flipping overyeah each other kids are crazy now yeahthey do stuff that I'm like I'm nevergonna try that in my yeah well so it'slike I think you see that now and thenso you're seeing kids that are good fromlike birth essentially and you know Ithink once it becomes like a biggersport and maybe there's more researchinto like how to keep people in physicalgood physical shape for itI think melding those two thingstogether dude you're gonna see somecrazy like 20 year olds like literallyflying just I don't know yeah they'relike it's triple air flares yeah likeit's nothing yeah you like the futurefor like at least our generations likemore coaching them I feel like if itdoes become a sport it's like oh yeahfor sure there's no y generation becomecoaches where the teams which would becreated there the era of like gettingbroke off figuring out how to do it intheir the era of like oh you got brokeoff and can teach me how to be a pro capso now I can do it when I'm 10 a dude ohyeah and then when they have kids whoknowsbe crazy or I don't know maybe breakingdoesn't exist at that time I know manOlympics oh yeah I know where hopefullyit goes through you yeah is it throughor no I think it's like 90% sure I don'tknow I'm pretty sure it's going throughI don't want to say 100 because I don'tknowyeah what are your thoughts on thatthings though I think as long as theyfind like a fair judging system likeeven like it like you have to becertified to judge you knowthere's like you do understand thecriteria so it's not so like biased oranything I think that's what will makeit legit versus people seeing it once inthe Olympics and then all of a suddenthey're like oh no you just can't do itbecause you know just because it wasmessed up the first time so mm-hmm aslong as they get it right the first timeit'll last possible yeah I think I thinkso too i think it's it's tight that it'sin the Olympics and I'm really excitedto see it there and I think we've as ascene come very far to get it here but Ialso am worried that the scene is notready for it because for one there's alot of pushback against it which that'sgonna be problems and then yeah thejudging I think there's a there's a lotof hump to get over to make that rightbecause I think basically judging now iskind of like you winno you just point to the dude that youthink wins that ain't gonna cut it forthe Olympics I mean because they're usedto points and whatever and like oh yeahhe wins he got ten points and I give himzero like that doesn't that ain't gonnawork dude okay so I think yeah everybodyeverybody in the scene really needs tocome together think about how to do thisand I'm not just talking about like theoh Jesus I'm talking about anybody hasseen who has a good idea to like try tofigure it out because I think ifanything has been proven is that wedon't have a good judging system otherthan I mean I think one two three pointto who you think wins is fine with meat from like an artistic perspectivebecause I look at it is like there'sthese judges here and they have theirown artistic perspective on what theythink is good and then pointing at it isjust saying my opinion is this that Ilike this more and if the Olympics isokay with that that's cool but the in inand simply because that kind of goeswell with the way breaking was formedand how we've always done it so it staystrue to how we do itI think there's holes in that for surebut I don't think that's gonna fly withthe Olympics because it's kind of like Ithink what they're gonna say is well ifsomebody who's watching says well whydid that guy win and then they go ohbecause Darren from kin just said sobecause he wore a ninja costume and theother guy didn't okay well alrightthat's how you get an Olympic medal thenyeah yes so that's not gonna fly youknow what I mean so but then again Ithink giving points to specific criteriaI have some reservations on that becauseI think it breaks down a little bit whenyou go okay if you imagine a guy who'sreally well-rounded going against a guywho's really good at maybe a few thingsI can still see either of those guyswinning but a judging system thattailors more to all-around person thatguy is always gonna win in that batterso I have some problems with that it'sit's I like to always compare it topainting you know where you're judgingan art piece so say you had like theMona Lisa and you're looking at I forgetthe name of the painting but like it'sPicasso's painting of the war where it'slike all this cubism kind of thingthere's like a lot of like chaos goingon there's a lot of argue if you werecomparing those and they were back likesay those paintings are battling righthow do you judge that yeah because inone way you could say oh the realism onthis one is much better than that sothey win but then you could say but thisemotion hereI see more emotion in it I want that onebut then you go oh but the Mona Lisasmile has this slight little like thingto it so maybe it's like inner pain orwhatever so there's an emotion in thattoo I so there's like a huge failure ahuge debate that gets involved with itand so how do you put criteria to thatand it could like ruin the art form witha really coolbe like okay I'm just gonna do for workjust to get the points you know yeahversus like if that's not what youfeeling then fucking don't which is sowhich is why I really think the pointand point to who you think wins is agood system because it's at least goingokay it's being true to your impressinglike an audience right and showing yourart form to that audience and theaudience is saying okay I want over thatand the audience being the judge so Ithink it's good that it stays true tothat and they're they they're able toput their own creative opinion into intothe choice of the winner so I thinkthat's good but I do think that itbreaks down a little bit so I was I'vebeen playing with the idea of like ifthere was just like 20 judges andthey're all from different areas of theworld they've all you know maybe hadso-and-so amount of experience 20 yearsor whatever renowned or whatever youknow dancers and they're set in in theroom as like the crowd and they're justjudging and so you get 20 differentpoints of people so basically yoursystem is a point system of 20 totalpoints yeah and and your score is justbased on who that got that particularaudience member points to I think that'sfine like I think this is as long as thejudges are like credentialed whateverthey need to do to get to that spot likethen it's like I feel like that is thefairest way first is doing like you getpoints for footwork or top rocks styleand power you know I mean yeah becausethat's so subjective and yeah I mean Ithere you can get in long debates aboutpeople going like that's not to me I godude who cares yeah like you're sayingthat's footwork and that's not for itit's something cares like you knowI mean that guy's expression of a girl'sexpression or whatever they think it issoon it's just dancing it's just amovement it's either cool or it's notdope or it's not so why don't you justjudge on that rather his a pinkietouched the ground like what the hellare you even talking about do yaunless the footwork competition dudeyeah dude I think footwork competitionsare the stupidest thing and this is yeahthis is a hot take and probably a yeah Iwould imagine a lot of people would bemad at this but I think footworkcompetitions are the stupidest shit everbecause it's like it's just a way forpeople to like go in and go hey look atme I I did footwork based on this modelof what everyone thinks footwork is andI win cool like not to diss anybodywho's done thatyou know usually the person who wins isvery good at what they do but I've seenpeople that have very good what I wouldconsider footwork and they lose and it'sbecause what they're doing is maybe notmainstream footwork you know I think themainstream footwork is probably thatkind of like Rocksteady style a littlebit where it's like very step II a lotof pauses and stuff little littlefreezes in their footwork but I've seenlike more flowy styles where they'redoing sweeps and they go on to theground and like kind of rolled aroundand stuff I'm like they're still usingtheir feet so it's hard to say that it'snot footwork in my opinion like evolvingwith yeah when when I look at thefootwork competition the way I break itdown is there it's it's a way of sayingyou're not allowed to do all this otherstuff and if you do it in this littlebubble then you win and if you touch anyof this stuff out here you lose which Imean I guess that's kind of cool but atthe end of the day it's kind of like alet's tie our one hand behind our backand let's box that's what it is to meit's not like a real boxing match ittie both of your hands together and liketry to bite each other you know what Imeanwhich that's probably fun to watch andI'm not gonna lieforward battles are fun to watch but Idon't know if you're talking aboutstraight up breaking dude I don't know Ithink it's stupid yeah that's my hottake don't hate me for it so we'recoming up on 50 minutes or so yeah yeahdude so I know recently you got engagedright so how's it yeah how's that goinglike are you guys planning your weddingand everything yeah already got thevenue Oh dope next year already gotphotographer videographer got the foodyou know Nate course ten course dangdude what happened then got theguestlist going hmm you're invited ofcourse oh the wife right now ready Ionly get me in February yeah Februarynext year not oh dude did you already ohyeah okay well okay so you guys aretaking that's good me and Keiko took ourtime too we heard we were engaged forlike two yearsoh yeah yeah we were engaged for liketwo years I think and then we um cuz shewas in nursing school at the time andthen I was I don't think I was doinganything but I wasn't gonna plan thewedding I mean that's real how much howmuch of your opinion is going into thewebsite I'll try the food with you youdude yeah every single one of my ideasout the door I mean you got to wear thesocks though he pulled it offdo you yeah so he's talking aboutI goofed on everyone at my wedding yeahcuz I like to make jokes I think I madethe joke too Caicos mother because shewas like you know really involved liketrying to like have us do all thesethings and I was like I think we'regonna have a ninja turtle themed weddingand she's just like shocked went throughher face like are you serious like ifshe she takes everything really seriousso that's why I said it she freaked outfor a second and then um I was justsaying oh I'm just messing aroundoh and I remember she asked me like whatis what kind of food are you gonna getI'm just getting a taco truck yeah somesome fear in her face ya know hey I'llstill stick by this opinion I think thatif you did your wedding at like a nicepark and you got a taco truck to comethrough and you know you Davi say haveto get it on a good day for weather butyou get a taco truck and you just invitelots of people you get a really dope DJand then make sure you know the city'snot trippin out about sound and stuffand just did your wedding just like as aalmost like a barbecue you know I thinkthat would be the funnest thing ever beso like less formal yeahtakes out the you need to sit by thisperson it's like yeah like cuz I I'vealways hated like the formality ofthings and so when we started planningour wedding I was like dude this is notfor me man okay let's just like cuz Iwas seriously saying let's just go tothe the courthouse and sign papers inwhatever and then just do it like thatbut I knew that wasn't gonna fly so wehad to dothing and I thought it was a good wayyeah I mean Keiko did a good jobfiguring out what to do and I helped alot with like decorations I guessbecause she would say pay build this andbecause I know how to build so I wouldgo and build it for her so I built awhole bunch of stuff for her or for usand over here come on yeah so yeah itturned out and you know we were lookingfor a good venue so we went to a lot ofdifferent ones and we went to that oneit was about the flower farm in Loomisnear Sacramento so I really liked it shereally liked it because there was likethese chickens they wander around and wethought it was like the funniest thingever because I grew up near Fair Oakswhich there's chickens wandering aroundall the time so it was like something Iwas used to a little bit and I used tohave chickens as a kid tooand so I was like oh this is fun shethought it was funny too so we're likeyeah let's do that's why we chose thatplace they don't spot for sure and soyeah we I mean we made it we took thatand I guess the reason we chose it wasbecause having it on like a somewhatfarm setting like a nice farm settingtook away a little bit of the formalityso I was happy with that so I think itturned out well I need super dope to seeold friends and stuff too yeah that wascool yeah and then yeah during theceremony I got to goof on everybodybecause I said hey well my vows you knowI said all my vows and ice and then atthe end I said Sancta cake oh I wish Ihad because I basically said I'm gladthat you let me do a surprise TeenageMutant Ninja Turtle themed wedding andshe was like oh what and then I likelift up my pants and I had a NinjaTurtles sock on to get clothes thereyeah so I like to it was a good I thinkthat was good yeahyeah yeah cuz I was just I was reallytrying to not make it so forth like Idon't know it when I lost it even likewhat the new job is playing like thatwas just oh yeah yeah I'd already setthe tone like it was gonna formal youknow I was yeah yeah exactly like weyeah we played new jobbies it wasanother reflection no reflection eternaland that's mainly because I think whenme and Keiko first started dating I usedto play that song a lot of snot way Idon't know I can't remember but yeah shereally likes that song tooso anyway so yeah we played that becauseit was like we're trying to set the toneas like this is like have some fun andyou know chill yeah relax have a goodpeople going yeah y'all formalin shityeah you mean like the adults they'relike somewhere dressed in suits they'rejust like hanging do my dad was anotherthing cuz I knew for sure my dad wasgonna wear and so everyone was likeasking me like what's the attire and Iwas like well I don't care what you wearI'll probably be wearing a suit causeit's my wedding day but like you're notgonna offend me if you wear freakingboard shorts yeah in fact I wouldprobably think that's really funny and agood idea cuz it would probably be hotthat day but and then I would say butfor sure I know my dad is not wearing asuit so he kind of just already set thedress code yeah cuz I could tell him towear a suit and he ain't gonna wear sothat's already that's a dress code rightthereso like Caicos doubt of saying oh shemight wear aa tux or whatever I was like you knowyou wear whatever you want to wear butfor sure my dad is not gonna wear a suitso if you're trying to match him likeyou're gonna be looking a lot flier thanhis you know he's gonna come in with hiswork boots is like new pair of jeansthat and I'm talking like he'll havethese black jeans and what he does iswhen he works he has the black jeansthey get holes in them so then like ayear later he buys a new pair so he justbought his new pair without wedding andthen but he's probably still wearingthem working now you know what I mean sohe just you know was smart about what orI don't know I don't know yes so that'sthat's my dad so yeah dude so is likeyour wedding planning like is that goingpretty good like our young Jen's in theindustry you know oh really okay doesn'tmake up artists for wedding so she knowsa lot of people just makes it easier soshe she's not stressing I guess yougotta you're more than a year out yeahyou guys probably aren't stress in themyeah her friends a wedding planner - soodo hired her so just take all thestress away you know he did most of theplanning I think you did most of theplanning paid for everything and we hada day of coordinator though so we workedwith them and then I had a friend whowas a deejay so he did all that and hedid all the lighting and stuff yeahRJ shoutout to him a supreme soul he wasalso on TV don't music to you yeah yeahI saw well yeah I really wanted goodthat was the one thing about the weddingthat I really wanted was good mean Ithink so I was like sure like cuz Ithought of it like this if the weddingsucks it's probably because of a DJ -yeah or if you didn't like really enjoyit and also I also thought is like ifthe wedding really sucks how to save itso it all hinges on a good DJcrazy cuz I it's like yep if somethinggoes bad and the DJ just goes you knowhe plays some sound and in society youknow and then place you know some dopetrack and then people just are like youknow getting down to itdude you save the wedding's like justimagine it you know oh no the weddingthere the the bride spilled wine allover her white dress and the DJ goes ohno yo dude drop that beat son wedding issaved right I don't know I'm not a wayand I'd probably get a divorce yeah wellI would say just enjoy the weddingplanning time try to like have fun withthem for sure don't let it stress youout yeah cuz anything is just likesigning checks like yeah ya know a lotof money like sign checks for sure onetime in your life oh yeah one time inyour life yeah just I think I have astory that like puts it into perspectivewe were like this was like paid probablylike a month or two out from the weddingcake I was like looking at the differentdesserts to have so she wanted all theselike cookies and she like startedbreaking down and crying and stuff whatare you crying aboutshe's like oh my god everything's goingwrong these cookies they're they theydon't have like chocolate cookies theyhave chocolate chip cookie you know itwas like well so they don't havechocolate cookies they got chocolatechip oh oh no I don't have the secondbest cookie they have the first bestcookwhy are you crying and I was like heyjust I started laughing and she's likegetting mad at me and I'm like but heretake a step back and think about whatyou're saying you're like crying aboutcookies like let's just be happy we canhave cookies yeah everybody lovescookies and if you don't love a cookielike fuck you don't you know so yeah andthen I think she she like kind ofstarted laughing too and then she's likeoh yeah it's just the stress yeah solet's just laugh at this how does thecookie and then realize that cookies aregood and everybody loves cookies so ifyou don't like this particular cookieyou can go to cookie hell any cookiesponsors out there yeah mrs. field I'mtrying to remember the other one ChipsAhoywhere you at abisco hey Nabisco I needsome cookies dude you can pay me oh damnso okay so let's like try to wrap theshow up all right so what's in thefuture for you got for you and now thatyou're getting married like starting upthese studios like obviously stilldancing like where do you see this goinglike you're gonna keep teaching you'regonna like do more shows or kind of getaway from there and start coaching orwhatever I don't know yeah I feel likemy body is starting to tell me dude youneed to slow down so I think well rightnow I'm working on a program to helptheir dance teachers or upcoming danceteachers like make money withoutdepending on like you know likeauditions or even a dance studio likejust make it on your own just hustle onyour own and just understand how to uselike marketing and you know salesmanshipandstuff to do it all on your own so youcan just make a living off of that andteach the students that you want toteach me a life can you teach me how tomake a good podcast can you got it dudeI'll do the marketing for you I do thisbut this my guess is already good manI'm killing it I'm terrible at marketingdude I don't even use social media likemuch I mean I use Facebook but it'susually to talk to my mom mm-hmm or whoyou know someone in my family yeah anduh yeah so like a marketing on socialmedia is a nightmare for me yeah likejust thinking about it I'm like dude Idon't want to do that yeah yeah no Ifeel you I feel like especially ourgeneration and so one was like you feellike you have to post a bunch of stuff Idon't like post yeah I feel like it'snot about that it's more about like ifyou understand like how you know likewhen we buy stuff it's usually throughsomebody paying for an ad to show ohyeah yeah I mean so I feel like if youunderstand that like yes you're payingmoney to get your stuff out there but itwill come back to you but a lot of ourgeneration they just want to do it forfreeso that's why they just post a bunch ofstuff but it's not doing anything yeahthere's a lot of tools out there thatlike use the data that it tracks to likesell you stuff seems kind of like theysee like once they see your ad and youcan talk and they click you can targetthem to like you know show up later inthe Blake whoa yeah we've seen thatDarrin has looked up big black manytimes follow me around many likes to doit late at night so next time he'sscrolling through Instagram let's givehim oh hey Kurt you sell big black allthose we got the guy exactly so subduedI have the sides calm like how many canI put you down for a whole bag a bushelthe pockets is led up to that one ohyeah yeahyeah here's an announcement I'm startingmy business a big black bill does calmand check it Darren is my first and onlycustomer thank you you know buying myhost star is somebody owns that domainyeah probably somebody does hey pleasesponsor this I don't care see that'd befunny if like a hundred episodes in I[Laughter]was gonna ask you something again um yesokay so you're um yeah so you're gettingyou're like teaching people how to likemarket themselves and stuff and okay sothat's like you're building like kind ofa business around it yeah okay yeahthat's definitely something that isuseful to a lot of people mainly to mefreelancers you know it's hard out thereyeah it's it's hardwell yeah cuz we I think we live in aworld of freelancing now cuz I've justbeen noticing that a lot of like typicaljobs careers are like getting outsourcednow to freelancers because the overheadfor them is a lot lower they can droptheir costs a little bit then thecompany also doesn't need to pay forlike and health benefits and whateverother benefits they use so it's kind oflike in their best interest to do thatand you know sometimes you know they'repaying more maybe like per hour for afreelancer but saving a lot of moneybecause they don't need to do deal withany of the stuff that they deal with andthey just go okay here's the here's theproject here's the scope and you'regonna do it for this feed I am and thenit's like easier for them to do dobusiness that wayI've noticed that that's been happeninga lot and there's a lot ofresources out there for freelancers tolike be able to do that so yeah I see inlike 10 years it's probably gonna be alot of that yeah sure you know and Iwork so I work as an engineer and Icould see that easily happening yeah Imean it already does happen to us but Ican easily see a lot of companiesstepping back from having full-timeemployees to maybe only like a couple ofthem and then they outsource everythingright sure um cuz yeah I already know ofcompanies that do that right now so sothat's cool so that's your you'reworking on that kind of stuff so beforewe close the show is there any likeshout outs or any kind of plugs you wantto give mmmjust follow me at at Darren our Wang andcheck out my website Darren are wongkomand dude thanks for having me I feellike I haven't seen you in so longyeah nobody even before the wedding Ihaven't seen you in a while yeah causeright after the wedding I moved out hereno I moved down here before the weddingand then during the wedding we were justplanning so we were just locked up inhere and then after the wedding yeah andthen after the wedding we were like justwe didn't want to go anywhere you'relike I'm sick of the world yeah yeahjust you know yeah so we were justchilling and then yeah we moved here andoh no so now I'm closer to you and mankick it more yeah so okay cool oh don'tyou have a YouTube channel you teachyour son or something I do if you wantto check that out it's also Darren ourWang so pretty much give you time andDarren are Wong I'm all over the placeso pornhub yeah Darren our Wang you'llsee some wild stuff sponsored by likedildos comm dope dude so yeah shout outto your pornhub account shout out toyour YouTube shout out to your Instagramyour Facebook your big black dildoaccount tight man well it's been greathaving you I'd love to have you back Ifeel like I could talk to you foreverum there's tons of other stuff I cantalk to you about good luck to you goodluck to kynges man I'd love to have aninja outfit if you 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