The Way Out | A Sobriety & Recovery Podcast

Welcome to another edition of The Way Out Podcast! I'm your host, Charlie, and in this rendition of The Way Out, we have something truly special lined up for you. You might know Edwin McCain as the voice behind timeless hits like 'I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask for More,' but beyond the music, he's got a deeply personal story that embodies recovery, resilience, and transformation.  For those of you who've been listening to The Way Out from the start, you'll recognize this as the original format of the show, where I would deliver the introduction to the interview that followed. We're going old school on this one with Edwin because once our chat got started, there was no stopping for nothin. In this conversation, Edwin opens up about his journey to and through Recovery to this point—the highs, the struggles, and the lessons that have shaped him not just as an artist, but as a human being. His insights into addiction, healing, and finding purpose beyond fame are powerful and deeply relatable. All of this he takes into his new album, Lucky for which he embarks on Tour to support starting in our back yard in Minneapolis tomorrow, Cinco De Mayo of all days. Perhaps the most profound and resonant piece of spiritual and Recovery wisdom to come from our recovery rap session is that Nothing is the hardest thing to do on our path to and through Recovery. This strikes at the very core of mine and so many that I've come to knows experience. Boredom and idle time was untenable and it felt impossible not to react to most everything.Paradoxically, when I'm spiritually centered, Nothing is too hard in Recovery or life. So whether you're doing something or nothing as you listen, I am certain you'll enjoy kicking it old school with Edwin and I waxing poetic on all things Recovery so Listen Up.  TakeawaysRecovery is a personal journey that requires understandingone's triggers.The loss of an addict can lead to others finding their pathto sobriety.Mindfulness can help individuals separate their thoughtsfrom their actions.Harm reduction strategies can be effective for someindividuals in recovery.Community support is crucial in the recovery process.Every recovery journey is unique and requires tailoredapproaches.Understanding brain chemistry can aid in addressingaddiction.Families must also engage in the recovery process to breakthe cycle. It's hard to bring people to the realization of their challenges.Family dynamics can complicate recovery.Emotional responses can be overwhelming in early recovery.Altruism is a key component of recovery support.Recovery is about becoming a dependable person.Balance is essential for a fulfilling life.Creativity can flourish when addiction is removed.Recovery allows for deeper emotional connections.The stigma around addiction can hinder treatment.Recovery can lead to unexpected moments of clarity.Connection is everything for me.You can't rush the process.Be the best example of recovery.I'm not looking for an attaboy.Gratitude list is usually way up there.Living Sober had the biggest impact.The hardest thing in the world to do is nothing. Learn more about Edwin McCain and his music - https://edwin.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Living Sober:Practical Methods Alcoholics Have Used for Living Without Drinking - https://a.co/d/dpoxlCW Best piece of Recovery advice: The hardest thing in the worldis to do nothing Song that symbolizes Recovery to Edwin: The Lucky One by AndersOsborne - https://youtu.be/pJOoKWwjj5A Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠)licensedunder CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) 

In this episode of the Way Out Podcast, Killian Ann No shares her profound journey of recovery and the mission of Recovery Cafe. The conversation explores the essence of recovery, emphasizing that everyone is recovering from something, whether it be mental health issues, trauma, or substance use. Killian discusses the importance of community, connection, and intentionality in the recovery process, highlighting how Recovery Cafe serves as a nurturing space for individuals to find love, support, and healing. The dialogue also delves into the challenges of maintaining joy amidst loss and the significance of discernment in relationships. Ultimately, the episode is a heartfelt exploration of love, acceptance, and the ongoing journey of recovery.TakeawaysRecovery is about addressing core causes and conditions.Connection with ourselves and others is vital for healing.We are all recovering from something, not just substances.Intentionality in choosing love over fear is crucial.Community plays a significant role in the recovery process.Discernment is necessary for understanding love in relationships.Forgiveness is a daily practice in recovery.Experiencing loss is a part of the recovery journey.Finding joy amidst suffering is essential.Every individual has a divine love within them.Reach out to Killian Noe, Co-Founder of Recovery Cafe andRecovery Cafe Network and a person Committed to the spiritual and recoveryjourney:https://recoverycafenetwork.org/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Invitation toLove by Thomas Keating - https://a.co/d/dJulhkq Best piece of Recovery advice: Don't waste too much timegetting yourself and others all cleaned up, acceptance does more for healingthen trying to fixing each other.Song that symbolizes Recovery to Killian: Bring Me a HigherLove by Steve Winwood - https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8 Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Dr. Adi Jaffe: https://www.adijaffe.com/  Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:  The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom(A Toltec Wisdom Book) - by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/iaCIYwjThe Biology of Belief 10th Anniversary Edition: Unleashingthe Power of Consciousness, Matter & Miracles by Bruce H. Lipton PHD - https://a.co/d/iR6tX6r Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest Artist that symbolizes Recovery to Adi: Nine Inch Nails Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd

Contact Aneta: https://www.instagram.com/centerofsolace/Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations:The Little Book of Big Change: The No-Willpower Approach toBreaking Any Habit by Amy Johnson PhD - https://a.co/d/c5wUcbRThe Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav - https://a.co/d/3sHtfvNBest piece of Recovery advice: You are not your thoughts.Song that symbolizes recovery:  Awake my Soul by Mumford and Sons - https://youtu.be/KpcBjt8Wqg8Resources: https://centerofsolace.com/Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cody: rollercodster2012@gmail.com Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: 12 Rules forLife: An Antidote to Chaos by  Jordan B.Peterson https://a.co/d/caElfKiBest piece of Recovery advice: Drive your own carSong that symbolizes recovery: River of Deceit by Mad Seasonhttps://youtu.be/Fm72DPJCX58?si=aNfxs42yBhvJajf4Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

George Haymaker - Certified Neuroscience Coach +Neuroeducator:https://www.georgehaymaker.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: A.A. Big Book- https://www.aa.org/the-big-book Best piece of Recovery advice -  There are three things you must always askyourself before you say anything:Does this need to be said?Does this need to be said by me?Does this need to be said by me now? Music that symbolizes Recovery to George:Dire Straits Mark KnopflerEric ClaptonDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cassie: vandevoorde7@gmail.comRecovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Unfu*kYourself: Get Out of Your Head and into Your Life by by Gary John Bishop - https://a.co/d/6PigsuMBest piece of Recovery advice: Your brain needs time toheal. So be patient.Song that symbolizes recovery to Cassie: Love Is Still TheAnswer by Jason Mraz - https://youtu.be/Sc2BK09eKhkResources: Thrive Family Recovery Resources - https://www.thrivefrr.org/Wild Hearts Adventures - https://www.wildha.orgDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Recovery Café Anoka County and donate: https://www.recoverycafeanokacounty.org/ Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Sean Hemeon Actor (911, Criminal Minds),Author (Good Little Drug Lord), artist:https://www.seanhemeon.com/ Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations: Drop the Rock: Removing Character Defects - Steps Six andSeven by Bill P., Todd Weber, Sara S. - https://a.co/d/hjoGscHThe Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself by MichaelA. Singer - https://a.co/d/gGu8uHQ Best piece of Recovery advice: Get comfortable with saying “IDon't Know” Songs that symbolize Recovery to Sean: Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley - https://youtu.be/vIw0ewEsNHs Don't Worry Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin - https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU?si=l3y5i3-OKmNXJlNn Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Jonathan Todd Schwartz Licensed addiction counselor andlicensed therapist (CADC, LADC, AMFT Quit lit (recovery literature) recommendation: How to Do theWork: Recognize Your Patterns, Heal from Your Past, and Create Your Self - https://a.co/d/0nrEqSe Best piece of recovery advice: Be willing to be vulnerable Recovery resources: Aces score: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean Music that symbolizes Recovery to Jonathan: Anything byLinkin Park - https://linkinpark.com/Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CC BY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Michael: paddlefordmichael@gmail.com Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Any dailydevotionals are worth reading  Best piece of Recovery advice: Recover Loud Recovery Resources: https://www.facebook.com/recoveryontheroad/https://www.youtube.com/@RecoverLoud  Song that symbolizes recovery to Michael: The Beginning  by The Real Young Swagg - https://youtu.be/-lkFQ7azuwI?si=ZeUZTn2VPwGBx2nh Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights ReservedTheme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Person in long term recovery, author, host of Sober Living Snippets, and Recovery Coach Becca Jacobson:https://beccajacobson.com/Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Autobiography of a Yogi (Self-Realization Fellowship) by Paramahansa Yogananda - https://a.co/d/2yb9bXuBest piece of Recovery advice: Get over your terminal uniquenessSong that symbolizes Recovery to Becca: Everything Is AWESOME!!! -- The LEGO® Movie - https://youtu.be/StTqXEQ2l-Y?si=XEAV3uM40Wj27eVNDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights ReservedTheme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Mike on his website: https://mikecinelli.com/   Book recommendation: Resilient: Restoring Your Weary Soul in These Turbulent Times by John Eldredge - https://a.co/d/d7LVha9   Best Advice: Bloom where you are planted!   Song that symbolizes recovery to Mike: Spirit Lead Me by Influence Music & Michael Ketterer - https://youtu.be/1Ko4yroBP0A?si=DE14e-5Gh30tlt2n   Resources: Hamilton County Coalition | Opioid Overdose Prevention | Tennessee - https://www.hccoalition.org/   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Ian: ianwfee@hotmail.com   Resources: Wild Ride To Sobriety: A Transformation from Drunken Oblivion to Profound Clarity by Ian Fee - https://a.co/d/bG6kz3t Website: https://wildridetosobriety.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom - https://a.co/d/hRFlBbv   Best piece of Recovery advice: Take it one day at a time   Song that symbolizes recovery: Welcome To The Jungle by Guns N' Roses - https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Kennerly Clay: https://kennerlyclay.com/ Letters from East of Nowhere - https://a.co/d/35LNKfd   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Came to believe - https://a.co/d/1CU86AY   Best piece of Recovery Advice: Stick around for the miracle to happen.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kennerly: Free by Ultra Nate - https://youtu.be/JgRBkjgXHro   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Tyler on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61557112647258   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Finding Your Moral Compass: Transformative Principles to Guide You In Recovery and Life by Craig Nakken - https://a.co/d/9lNbd8v   Best piece of Recovery advice: "Its OK to not be OK, it's just not ok to stay that way"   Song that symbolizes recovery: Be Alright by Nappy Roots - https://youtu.be/P614pRLZWWU   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Musician and person in long term recovery Hana Piranha: https://www.hanapiranha.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol by Holly Whitaker - https://a.co/d/hz7qTM1   Best piece of Recovery advice: Never question your decision to get sober   The Devil Always Pulls Through by Hana Piranha: https://youtu.be/LKojaqN5TQI   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Mishkin Fitzgerald and her projects: Lead Singer of CRIMSON VEIL on the major label Reigning Phoenix Bass Player in Hana Piranha https://www.notsaints.co.uk/ https://reigningphoenixmusic.com/news/crimson-veil-release-debut-album-hex-tomorrow-launch-title-track-music-video   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol by Holly Whitaker - https://a.co/d/bFoLFcl The Sober Diaries: How one woman stopped drinking and started living by Clare Pooley - https://a.co/d/1AwB4qt   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Forgive yourself   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mishkin: Eleventh Hour by Lamb of God - https://youtu.be/beltaLLilj4   Charlie's guilty Christian Rock Song: Flood by Jars of Clay - https://youtu.be/EfAhpX_wIBk   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Chris De Banks Founder of Not Saints and learn more about Not Saints: https://www.notsaints.co.uk/   Recover literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Big Book A Vision for You - https://www.aa.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/en_bigbook_chapt11.pdf   Best piece of Recovery advice: Accept your imperfection and your humanity, we are not Saints!   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Chris: Ghost by Ella Henderson - https://youtu.be/tA8AfQaUnXM   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact: sara.day@freegrace.tv Recovery literature (quit-lit) Recommendation: Healing Through Prayer: A 31 Day Devotional by Sara Day - https://a.co/d/6jpAgb9 Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Don't do it alone! Song that symbolizes recovery: Rescue Story by Zach Williams - https://youtu.be/9Yr48Berkqc Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jeff Jones and learn more about his work:   The Family Recovery Solution - https://thefamilyrecoverysolution.com/ Alcohol Bio Quiz https://alcoholbioquiz.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Seven Weeks to Sobriety by Joan Mathews Larson https://a.co/d/7jCFJPK   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jeff: Both Sides Now by Joni Mitchell - https://youtu.be/yXr2EFomFkU?si=QoSS_Jo7EWLZi-Io   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Athena and her work: https://athenaaperta.co.uk/ https://open.spotify.com/artist/4MmRHIifF0sRxChFx2ixtx?si=3Th28KQIR2SG3sgHgrXWRA   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober: Discovering a happy, healthy, wealthy alcohol-free life by Catherine Gray - https://a.co/d/j8c2nTJ The Sober Girl Society Handbook: An Empowering Guide to Living Hangover Free by Millie Gooch - https://a.co/d/1h0jGc7   Best piece of Recovery advice: Zoom Out   Song that symbolizes Recovery: Energy by Tyla Jane - https://youtu.be/WOoUNKcKpzM?si=vtsjkcVwYp9tJGfN   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Josh Lovelace and his music: https://www.joshlovelacemusic.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life by Richard Rohr - https://a.co/d/7vab9Gf   Best piece of Recovery advice: Find supportive people to your recovery   I Stopped Drinking Yesterday by Josh Lovelace - https://youtu.be/1MrV9dCv3nE?si=KdhqTxbdn1o1mZZD   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about the book!   Sobering Wisdom: Philosophical Explorations of Twelve Step Spirituality by Jerome A. Miller (Editor), Nicholas Plants (Editor) - https://a.co/d/ahaGYcP   Literature recommendations:   The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky - https://a.co/d/gZ5JNov   The Spirituality of Imperfection: Storytelling and the Search for Mean by by Ernest Kurtz (Author), Katherine Ketcham (Author) - https://a.co/d/cIvNpQu   Emily Dickenson Poems - https://www.amblesideonline.org/poet-dickinson   Best piece of Recovery advice - It works if you work it   Favorite movie - Charlie Chaplin City Lights   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Josh at joshua.smith@recoverycafeanokacounty.org Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation:  The Life Recovery Bible by Stephen Arterburn - https://a.co/d/2XLrtYC Best piece of Recovery advice: Give God your burdens. Song that symbolizes recovery: My Jesus by Anne Wilson - https://youtu.be/FW5o2uBeMWQ?si=DkgPIt1iZWYzEgqy (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Sonia Kahlon and Sisters in Sobriety:   https://sistersinsobriety.substack.com/   Robert Bray Tapping Video:   https://rlbray.com/services/thought-field-therapy/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best piece of Recovery advice: Progress not perfection   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Sonia: Forever by Drake - https://youtu.be/eDuRoPIOBjE?si=gP1LFdYqVwkwHn0c   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)  

Learn more about Daryl Dittmer and his work: https://www.daryldittmer.com/   Books by Daryl Dittmer:   When I Stop Fighting: The Unexpected Joy of Getting My Head Out Of My Ass - https://a.co/d/9gXeLA4   When YOU Stop Fighting: The Road You're On Is Your Own Asphalt - https://www.daryldittmer.com/when-you-stop-fighting   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Ten Commandments by Emmet Fox - https://a.co/d/1tno5Rm   Best piece of Recovery advice: First things first and the rest will be added on.   Song that symbolizes Recovery for Daryl: Time by Pink Floyd - https://youtu.be/Qr0-7Ds79zo?si=YpILrH2e6Bl3AiB-   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Sarah Allen Benton is an Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor, person in long term #Recovery & Author of the book PARENTS IN RECOVERY: Navigating a Sober Family Lifestyle. Sarah's latest addition into the quit lit space fills a sorely needed void, offering parents in Recovery a field guide full of advice & wisdom from her own experience, experts, & other parents who are in #Recovery. Sarah shares on her Recovery & the unique challenges of parenting in Recovery so #ListenUp Reach out to Sarah Allen Benton:   https://www.bentonbhc.com/   Parents in Recovery: Navigating a Sober Family Lifestyle - https://www.bentonbhc.com/books/#parents   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Drinking: A Love Story by Caroline Knapp - https://a.co/d/edHdz8r   Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl - https://a.co/d/39EsWoU   Best pieces of recovery advice:   If you don't take the first drink you won't get drunk. This too shall pass. Recovery is often a process of recommitting   Not Afraid by Eminem - https://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s?si=s0oosQMelxZfbUIA   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:   The Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself - https://a.co/d/52PsENO   Best piece of Recovery advice: Your sobriety is your own.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Cy: All These Things That I've Done by The Killers -https://youtu.be/sZTpLvsYYHw?si=W_uBps6X0iyp7cr4   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Alex: mailto:alex@themindfullifepractice.com    Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Daily Reflections on Addiction, Yoga, and Getting Well - https://a.co/d/aB8A23J   Meditations From The Mat: A Daily Guide for the Practice of Yoga By: Gates, Rolf -https://a.co/d/5yftrWx   Best piece of advice: "Really lean into community".   Resources/links:   Sober Yoga Girl (book) https://a.co/d/6JJrg7c Soberyogagirl.com Themindfullifepractice.com   Song that symbolizes recovery: https://youtu.be/4MBwWJdr8_c?si=oH0csGq4mAZCU6xl   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Mitch “Motivates” Leff: https://mitchmotivates.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:   A.A. Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best pieces of Recovery advice: One Day at a Time. Beat yourself up with a feather not a bat.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mitch: Play Hard by David Guetta - https://youtu.be/5dbEhBKGOtY?si=xHlx14QNgeqJvHaV   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about William Cope Moyers, Vice President of Public Affairs Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation and author of these books:   Broken: My Story of Addiction and Redemption - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/11672?Broken-Softcover Broken Open: What Painkillers Taught Me About Life and Recovery - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/560325?Broken-Open   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   24 Hours a Day - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/1096?Twenty-Four-Hours-a-Day-Hardcover-24-Hours   Songs that symbolize Recovery to William: Anything by the Beatles or Rolling Stones   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)  

Contact Travis: gonefishing@gmail.com Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: NLT Life Recovery Bible - https://a.co/d/ikAf7lB Best piece of Recovery advice: "Get vulnerable. Vulnerability brings life back to you." Song that symbolizes recovery: My Jesus by Anne Wilson https://youtu.be/FW5o2uBeMWQ?si=wUJh3URlS9gGswLd Resources/links: Riverplace Center - https://riverplacecenter.com/ 'Wednesday Night Winners' AA meeting in Anoka MN Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064 (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jenny and learn more about her and her work:   https://jennyteeters.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations: Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions   Best piece of Recovery advice: Participate!   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jenny: I came here to live by Trace Adkins - https://youtu.be/Steswvd7DQE?si=Y9OT1bcf69CKjCA6   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

John Machado shares his passion for the 12 steps with us and talked about a wide array of topics such as emotional maturity in early recovery, communication skills, and learning what true intimacy in a relationship is. The first step towards learning any hard lesson is always the hardest, and nothing that's worth it is going to come easy! There is a smooth flow as we chop it up together for a bit and I hope you connect with us as much as we did with each other. This was John's first ever podcast appearance and he's got a great voice for radio so #ListenUp   Contact info: johnallenmachado.com      johnallenmachado@gmail.com Instagram: @johnallenmachado   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/4dE1Jzr   Best piece of Recovery advice: You don't want to have “meeting” recovery ( Do the work).   Song that symbolizes recovery to John: Wondering Why by The Red Clay Strays - https://youtu.be/GhcMmaUPtrk?si=kCQz7vGo6p04Jx8s   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Dallas Brag:   https://www.drdallasbragg.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Anything by Gabor Mate https://drgabormate.com/book/   Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear https://a.co/d/0XAM1p1   Lust, Men, and Meth: A Gay Man's Guide to Sex and Recovery by David Michael Fawcett - https://a.co/d/iOy14HD   Best piece of Recovery advice: Do one thing to interrupt the negative cycle today.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Dallas: Don't Worry Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin - https://youtu.be/68vZX2uUKKA?si=1HOTppPjkNrGN5i1   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Robert L Bray Licensed Clinical Social Worker PHD Clinical Psychology and learn more about his work:   Thought Field Therapy Center of San Diego   www.rlbray.com   Book recommendations:   The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge - https://a.co/d/5enki8L   The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom - https://a.co/d/iRTyGnV   Best piece of Recovery advice: Your primary purpose is to love yourself as much as the causes and people you love the most   Song recommendations: Anything by Johnny Cash   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Paul and learn more about Wild Heart Adventures: Wildha.org Thrivefrr.org Contact Paul: Paul@wildha.org Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation:  The Anatomy of Peace: Resolving the Heart of Conflict by The Arbinger Institute - https://a.co/d/hbth1Fs Best Piece of Advice: "Do you want to be right for the sake of justice? Or do you want to love for the sake of relationship?" Songs recommendations: Jake's Song: The Nights by Avicii - https://youtu.be/UtF6Jej8yb4?si=kP44xyv6pRLHx1k2 Paul's Song: I Am... I Said by Neil Diamond - https://youtu.be/tA5bFJt9Wp0?si=_53LnzHax7wwQjzQ (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jonathan Horstmann and check out his band Urban Heat:   https://www.urbanheatband.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation - The Sober Lush: A Hedonist's Guide to Living a Decadent, Adventurous, Soulful Life--Alcohol Free - https://a.co/d/0rERNiB   Best piece of Recovery advice – Relapse can be a part of the Recovery process.   To Build A Home by The Cinematic Orchestra - https://youtu.be/oUFJJNQGwhk?si=uOBMFObC0TXrfDuu   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Kerry Braun:   IG: @soul_discoverycoach   More about Kundalini yoga - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_yoga   Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation: AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best piece of Recovery advice: Only the here and now can hold you.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kerry: Once You're Gone by Paul Cauthen - https://youtu.be/8mC6xQoym1A?si=MqiBxiom7vV7Lh1N Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Patrick Holbert and learn more about her work:   https://www.patrickholbert.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   The Tender Bar: A Memoir by J. R. Moehringer - https://a.co/d/aNsT9wd The Recovering: Intoxication and Its Aftermath - https://a.co/d/1P2sGf7   Best piece of Recovery advice - To thine own self be true.   I Don't Wanna Be An Asshole Anymore by The Menzingers - https://youtu.be/TQBG7wAVWAA?si=VfBvI_cLGsKAAULg   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: You Are Not Your Trauma: Uproot Unhealthy Patterns, Heal the Family Tree by Caroline Beidler and Diana Dalles - https://a.co/d/bqP2Aa0 Best pieces of Recovery advice: Diana - Be yourself Caroline - Your life has value and purpose Song recommendations: Caroline Break Every Chain by Tasha Cobbs Leonard - https://youtu.be/ucY6NwQTI3M?si=GdIRGaT9RmmKyDg1 Diana I Want to Dance with Somebody by Whitney Houston - https://youtu.be/eH3giaIzONA?si=YNaJfQtaHb6OzzRp Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Paulette: spiritledsobriety@gmail.com   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: This Naked Mind: Control Alcohol, Find Freedom, Discover Happiness, and Change Your by Annie Grace - https://a.co/d/0j33kofH   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: "Quit future trippin'"   Song that symbolizes recovery: Born to Run  by Bruce Springsteen - https://youtu.be/IxuThNgl3YA?si=xZ_PJeLUMR30_cVi   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Patricia A. Roos and learn more about her book Surviving Alex: A Mother's Story of Love, Loss, and Addiction - https://www.patroos.com/   Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: Unbroken Brain by Maia Szalavitz - https://a.co/d/04BTXZZE   Best pieces of advice:   You don't get over it you just get used to the idea that you won't get over it Grief doesn't lessen, however your life can grow and move forward   Songs that symbolize Recovery to Pat:   Forever Young by Bob Dylan - https://youtu.be/Frj2CLGldC4?si=44X0XtLnnnMqYnM7   Wiz Khalifa See You Again ft. Charlie Puth - https://youtu.be/RgKAFK5djSk?si=WDF9DyEBae7FdIPY   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Reach out to Shelby and learn more about her work:   https://shelbyjohncoaching.com/ Recovering In Recovery: The Life Changing Joy Of Sobriety by Shelby John - https://a.co/d/05XvJErz   Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol by Holly Whitaker - https://a.co/d/059pT1ZL   Songs that symbolize Recovery to Shelby:   The Champion by Carrie Underwood - https://youtu.be/HgknAaKNaMM?si=wi_cB9-88p59K9AS   Girl on Fire by Alicia Keys - https://youtu.be/J91ti_MpdHA?si=RBSarxBtYfmEpyXH   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Reach out to Angela and learn more about her work:   https://angelapugh.com/   Recovery Literature (Addiction Fiction): Killing Hurt by Will Thatcher - https://a.co/d/3o7YXjV   Best Pieces of Recovery Advice: Sit down shut up. Mind your own business.   Songs that symbolize addiction and Recovery to Angela:   Killing in the Name by Rage Against the Machine - https://youtu.be/bWXazVhlyxQ?si=LtLgUVtFq_x9ILHs   Away from the Sun by 3 Doors Down - https://youtu.be/DDK5qGlLT8s?si=LHeaYAwN6hEvhVbS   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Contact Ashley: ashley@mnwitw.org   Book Recommendation: The Bible   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: "If you're not uncomfortable, you're not growing."   Song that symbolizes Recovery: Overcomer by Mandisa - https://youtu.be/b8VoUYtx0kw?si=hotgva3s5w8lVpVW   Resource Link: Wellness in the Woods - https://mnwitw.org/   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Reach out to RJ Zimmerman, host of the untapped keg podcast and alcohol-free life coach: https://www.untappedkeg.com/ Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation: Atlas of the Heart - by Brene Brown - https://a.co/d/1SBFYXs   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Embrace the uniqueness of your Recovery   Song that symbolizes Recovery to RJ: She Hates by Me Puddle of Mud - https://youtu.be/BYE4CVhVkhw?si=hw4afhx_hpt99UBV   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Reach out to Constance Todd Smith and Learn More About A Sober Companion: https://www.constancealignment.com/   Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: Each Day a New Beginning: Daily Meditations for Women by Karen Casey - https://a.co/d/i2Oq3mN   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Turn it over to your higher power.   Songs that Symbolizes Recovery to Constance: Many Rivers to Cross and I Can See Clearly by Now Jimmy Cliff - https://youtu.be/fjW5f7i5EwE?si=ju8aIVDT4Z8FMo-P https://youtu.be/MrHxhQPOO2c?si=SvXKFSii0Y06OgNv   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064 (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message

Contact Boston: Boston2prct on TikTok or at Faithsrun9@gmail.com Book recommendation: The Holy Bible Best Advice: Believe in yourself. Song that symbolizes recovery- Almost sober by Ian Loveless- https://youtu.be/PBw_008YUZU?si=R57LupXAxLO7ARcc Resources: Fire and Ice: The Meth Bible by Boston Bornagain (Author), Sandra Lee (Editor), Steve Oliver (Illustrator) - https://a.co/d/ce3524c Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064 (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-way-out-podcast/message