The Way Out | A Sobriety & Recovery Podcast

In this episode of the Way Out Podcast, host Charlie LeVoir speaks with Barney Whiter, who shares his journey of sobriety and recovery from alcohol addiction. They discuss the cultural implications of alcohol, the importance of living in the present moment, and the process of recovery as a journey of discovery. Barney reflects on his health scares that prompted him to quit drinking and the role of disconnection in addiction. The conversation emphasizes that any motivation to seek recovery is valid and highlights the significance of sharing personal experiences to support the recovery community. In this conversation, Barney From The Escape Artist shares his journey from a high-stress corporate finance job to achieving financial independence and recovery from alcohol dependency. He discusses the impact of corporate life on health, the importance of confidence in making life changes, and the costs associated with chasing financial success. The conversation emphasizes the need for self-awareness and the courage to break free from self-imposed limitations.Takeaways:Barney has been sober since August 20, 2022, counting his days of sobriety.Recovery is often about taking it one day at a time.Living in the present moment is crucial for recovery.Alcohol was a significant part of Barney's life for 35 years.Barney serves the recovery community by sharing his journey and experiences.Recovery is a process of discovery rather than just a return to baseline.Disconnection from oneself can lead to serious health issues.Health scares can serve as a wake-up call to change one's life.Any reason to seek recovery is a valid reason.Barney identifies as sober but does not define his entire identity around it. Barney quit his corporate job at 43 due to health issues.He used alcohol as a coping mechanism for stress.The FIRE model helped him achieve financial independence.Health and emotional wellness were key factors in his decision to leave corporate life.He emphasizes the importance of confidence in making life changes.Barney helps others escape their self-imposed prisons through financial coaching.Money can provide freedom, but confidence is essential to escape toxic situations.The cost of success can be detrimental to health and relationships.Self-awareness is crucial in recognizing when to make a change.Recovery can lead to unexpected opportunities and fulfillment.Reach out to Barney Whiter | Creator of the Escape ArtistBlog | Financial Coach | Person in long Recovery:https://theescapeartist.me/ Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: The Biology of Desire: Why Addiction Is Not a Disease byMarc Lewis PhD - https://a.co/d/iMH3jwfAlcohol Explained by William Porter - https://a.co/d/7zXSpoM Best piece of Recovery advice: Your ability to endureaddiction will allow you to thrive in Recovery. Song that symbolizes Recovery to Barney: Hold On by Wilson Phillips - https://youtu.be/uIbXvaE39wM?si=UXYlBbfUgM3EShnE (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That's why we've teamed up with Boise State University's Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up.Episode Summary:The Neural Navigators Podcast explores the intersection of traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and substance use disorders (SUD), emphasizing the need for compassionate care and rehabilitation over punitive measures. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by individuals with TBI and SUD in accessing treatment, the impact of stigma, and the importance of tailored strategies to support their recovery. Experts advocate for policy changes that prioritize understanding and compassion, as well as providing guidance for future healthcare professionals working with this population.Takeaways:Rehabilitation is often more effective than punishment for TBI and SUD.Individuals with TBI face unique challenges in accessing care.Stigma can significantly hinder treatment access and recovery.Compassionate care strategies are essential for success.Awareness of TBI symptoms is crucial for effective treatment.Policy changes are needed to support individuals with TBI and SUD.Listening to clients' needs is fundamental in care.Healthcare professionals should avoid assumptions about clients' experiences.Teaching daily living skills is vital for recovery.Building rapport with clients enhances treatment outcomes.(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That's why we've teamed up with Boise State University's Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up.Episode Summary:This episode of the Neuro Navigator Series delves into the complex relationship between traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and addiction, exploring how rehabilitation can be a more effective solution than punishment. The conversation highlights the role of law enforcement in addressing these issues, the importance of compassionate care, and the successes and challenges of diversion programs. It emphasizes the need for community involvement and innovative approaches in crisis management, while also reflecting on the progress made in mental health and addiction treatment.Takeaways:The intersection of TBI and addiction often leads to punitive measures rather than compassionate care.Law enforcement faces the challenge of balancing justice with the need for treatment.Diversion programs can provide alternatives to incarceration for individuals with substance use disorders.Community involvement is crucial in supporting individuals struggling with addiction and mental health issues.Innovative approaches, such as pairing officers with mental health clinicians, can improve crisis management.Compassionate care can significantly impact the outcomes for individuals in crisis.The complexity of addiction requires multifaceted solutions and community support.Success stories from diversion programs highlight the potential for recovery.Mental health crises are increasingly becoming a primary focus for law enforcement.Continued advocacy for better treatment options is essential for addressing addiction and TBI.(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That's why we've teamed up with Boise State University's Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up.Episode Summary:The Neural Navigators podcast explores the intersection of traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and addiction, emphasizing the need for rehabilitation over punishment. The discussion highlights the complexities of TBI, its symptoms, and the often-overlooked link to substance use disorders. Experts advocate for a compassionate, interdisciplinary approach to treatment, addressing the stigma surrounding these issues and the importance of understanding the dynamic nature of the brain.Takeaways:Traumatic brain injury (TBI) can have long-term effects on behavior and cognition.There is a significant link between TBI and substance use disorders.Many TBIs go undiagnosed, especially in underserved populations.Rehabilitation requires an interdisciplinary approach to be effective.Emotional dysregulation is a common symptom of TBI.Access to quality healthcare is often limited for marginalized groups.The brain's dynamic nature means recovery is possible with proper support.Stigma surrounding TBI and addiction can hinder treatment efforts.Compassionate care is essential for individuals with TBI and addiction.(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

In this conversation, Kyle Peterson shares his journey fromaddiction to recovery, highlighting the importance of community and connectionin the healing process. He discusses his experiences with substance abuse, theimpact of family dynamics, and the challenges of relapse. Kyle emphasizes thesignificance of building a supportive recovery community through the CouveCollective in Vancouver, Washington, which he co-founded to help others findhope and healing. The discussion also touches on the role of the Recovery CafeNetwork in providing resources and support for recovery organizations. In thisconversation, Kyle Peterson discusses the multifaceted approach to recovery,emphasizing the importance of community support, innovative programming, andpersonal growth. He shares insights on the challenges and successes in hisrecovery journey, the significance of daily routines, and the impact ofliterature on his life. The discussion also touches on the importance offorgiveness and the role of music in recovery, culminating in a heartfeltmessage about the power of connection and support in overcoming addiction.Contact: kyle@couvecollective.orgBook recommendation: Atomic Habits: An Easy and Proven Wayto Build Good Habits and Break Bad Ones by James Clear - https://a.co/d/ehwGYp3Best piece of Recovery advice: Always be humble and alwaysshow respect. Song that symbolizes recovery: Made For More by JoshBaldwin, feat. Jenn Johnson - https://youtu.be/Ov9Ls4npIrc?si=RUUMQNyHvXuWOJzRResources:Recovery Community In Vancouver, WA - Couve Collective - https://couvecollective.org/Recovery Café Network - https://recoverycafenetwork.org/(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact: mentalhealthctr.comRecovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: Motivational Interviewing: Helping People Change and Grow by William R. Miller PhD, Stephen Rollnick PhD - https://a.co/d/0e0LrSeSong that symbolizes Recovery to Mark: Eye of The Tiger by Survivor - https://youtu.be/btPJPFnesV4?si=ku4iDWLxrhyTUujhIn this episode of The Way Out Podcast, host Jason R.m engages in a deep conversation with Dr. Mark Hrymoc, a psychiatrist specializing in addiction. They explore the multifaceted nature of recovery,the intersection of addiction and mental health, and the importance of treating both simultaneously. Dr. Hrymoc shares insights on innovative treatments like ketamine therapy and the challenges of medications like Suboxone. The discussion also touches on personal reflections about family, success, and the ongoing journey of learning in both personal and professional realms. Dr. Hrymoc emphasizes the importance of reaching out for help and the value of support in the recovery process.TakeawaysRecovery means functioning optimally without limitationsfrom addiction.Addiction and mental health issues often feed off eachother.Both addiction and mental health need to be treatedsimultaneously.Ketamine therapy shows promise for treating depression andanxiety.Suboxone can be challenging to taper off, but a slowapproach can help.Psychopharmacology is focused on treating brain disorderswith medication.Addiction is a lifelong condition that requires management.Family dynamics play a crucial role in addiction recovery.It's important to model humility and communication inrelationships.Struggling with addiction is not a shameful experience. (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.ThemeMusic: “all clear”(⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Skeeter shares his profound journey through addiction and recovery, reflecting on the importance of hope, spirituality, and connection with others. He discusses his substance use history, the role of service in recovery, and how music has been a lifeline throughout his life. Skeeter emphasizes the significance of honesty,mentorship, and the ongoing process of self-discovery in maintaining sobriety.His insights offer a powerful reminder of the resilience and strength found in the recovery community. In this conversation, Skeeter shares his profound journey of recovery, emphasizing the importance of honesty, self-discovery, and spirituality. He discusses the layers of self-deception that can hinder personal growth and the significance of living in the present moment. Skeeter highlights the role of connection with others in recovery and the unique paths individuals take. He reflects on impactful literature, daily routines, and the journey of forgiveness, ultimately underscoring the power of action in transforming thoughts and feelings.takeawaysSkeeter has been sober since March 29, 1990, marking 35 years of recovery.Recovery is about getting to know one's higher self beyond just abstaining from substances.Service in the recovery community is best achieved by putting ego aside and focusing on others.Connecting with others in recovery is vital for personal growth and understanding.Hope is a crucial element that can inspire individuals to seek recovery.Spirituality plays a significant role in Skeeter's understanding of recovery.Recovery is a continuous process of learning and self-discovery.Music has been a powerful source of hope and connection for Skeeter throughout his life.Changing relationships with food is part of the recovery journey.Gratitude for life and acceptance of one's past are essential for ongoing recovery. Honesty is crucial in recovery and comes in layers.Self-deception can hinder personal growth and awareness.Living in the present moment is essential for recovery.Spirituality plays a significant role in the recovery journey.Connection with others enhances the recovery experience.Each individual's recovery path is unique and personal.Daily routines help maintain a grounded recovery.Literature like the Big Book can have a profound impact on recovery.Finding one person to be honest with can change your life.Forgiveness is a journey that can lead to unexpected freedom. Check out Skeeter's podcast!https://www.youtube.com/@catchit9649 Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:  Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-bookTwelve Steps and Twelve Traditions - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest! Song that symbolizes Recovery to Skeeter: Bohemian Rhapsodyby Queen - https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear”(⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) 

Welcome to another edition of The Way Out Podcast! I'm your host, Charlie, and in this rendition of The Way Out, we have something truly special lined up for you. You might know Edwin McCain as the voice behind timeless hits like 'I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask for More,' but beyond the music, he's got a deeply personal story that embodies recovery, resilience, and transformation.  For those of you who've been listening to The Way Out from the start, you'll recognize this as the original format of the show, where I would deliver the introduction to the interview that followed. We're going old school on this one with Edwin because once our chat got started, there was no stopping for nothin. In this conversation, Edwin opens up about his journey to and through Recovery to this point—the highs, the struggles, and the lessons that have shaped him not just as an artist, but as a human being. His insights into addiction, healing, and finding purpose beyond fame are powerful and deeply relatable. All of this he takes into his new album, Lucky for which he embarks on Tour to support starting in our back yard in Minneapolis tomorrow, Cinco De Mayo of all days. Perhaps the most profound and resonant piece of spiritual and Recovery wisdom to come from our recovery rap session is that Nothing is the hardest thing to do on our path to and through Recovery. This strikes at the very core of mine and so many that I've come to knows experience. Boredom and idle time was untenable and it felt impossible not to react to most everything.Paradoxically, when I'm spiritually centered, Nothing is too hard in Recovery or life. So whether you're doing something or nothing as you listen, I am certain you'll enjoy kicking it old school with Edwin and I waxing poetic on all things Recovery so Listen Up.  TakeawaysRecovery is a personal journey that requires understandingone's triggers.The loss of an addict can lead to others finding their pathto sobriety.Mindfulness can help individuals separate their thoughtsfrom their actions.Harm reduction strategies can be effective for someindividuals in recovery.Community support is crucial in the recovery process.Every recovery journey is unique and requires tailoredapproaches.Understanding brain chemistry can aid in addressingaddiction.Families must also engage in the recovery process to breakthe cycle. It's hard to bring people to the realization of their challenges.Family dynamics can complicate recovery.Emotional responses can be overwhelming in early recovery.Altruism is a key component of recovery support.Recovery is about becoming a dependable person.Balance is essential for a fulfilling life.Creativity can flourish when addiction is removed.Recovery allows for deeper emotional connections.The stigma around addiction can hinder treatment.Recovery can lead to unexpected moments of clarity.Connection is everything for me.You can't rush the process.Be the best example of recovery.I'm not looking for an attaboy.Gratitude list is usually way up there.Living Sober had the biggest impact.The hardest thing in the world to do is nothing. Learn more about Edwin McCain and his music - https://edwin.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Living Sober:Practical Methods Alcoholics Have Used for Living Without Drinking - https://a.co/d/dpoxlCW Best piece of Recovery advice: The hardest thing in the worldis to do nothing Song that symbolizes Recovery to Edwin: The Lucky One by AndersOsborne - https://youtu.be/pJOoKWwjj5A Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠)licensedunder CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd) 

In this episode of the Way Out Podcast, Killian Ann No shares her profound journey of recovery and the mission of Recovery Cafe. The conversation explores the essence of recovery, emphasizing that everyone is recovering from something, whether it be mental health issues, trauma, or substance use. Killian discusses the importance of community, connection, and intentionality in the recovery process, highlighting how Recovery Cafe serves as a nurturing space for individuals to find love, support, and healing. The dialogue also delves into the challenges of maintaining joy amidst loss and the significance of discernment in relationships. Ultimately, the episode is a heartfelt exploration of love, acceptance, and the ongoing journey of recovery.TakeawaysRecovery is about addressing core causes and conditions.Connection with ourselves and others is vital for healing.We are all recovering from something, not just substances.Intentionality in choosing love over fear is crucial.Community plays a significant role in the recovery process.Discernment is necessary for understanding love in relationships.Forgiveness is a daily practice in recovery.Experiencing loss is a part of the recovery journey.Finding joy amidst suffering is essential.Every individual has a divine love within them.Reach out to Killian Noe, Co-Founder of Recovery Cafe andRecovery Cafe Network and a person Committed to the spiritual and recoveryjourney:https://recoverycafenetwork.org/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Invitation toLove by Thomas Keating - https://a.co/d/dJulhkq Best piece of Recovery advice: Don't waste too much timegetting yourself and others all cleaned up, acceptance does more for healingthen trying to fixing each other.Song that symbolizes Recovery to Killian: Bring Me a HigherLove by Steve Winwood - https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8 Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Dr. Adi Jaffe: https://www.adijaffe.com/  Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:  The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom(A Toltec Wisdom Book) - by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/iaCIYwjThe Biology of Belief 10th Anniversary Edition: Unleashingthe Power of Consciousness, Matter & Miracles by Bruce H. Lipton PHD - https://a.co/d/iR6tX6r Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest Artist that symbolizes Recovery to Adi: Nine Inch Nails Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd

Contact Aneta: https://www.instagram.com/centerofsolace/Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations:The Little Book of Big Change: The No-Willpower Approach toBreaking Any Habit by Amy Johnson PhD - https://a.co/d/c5wUcbRThe Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav - https://a.co/d/3sHtfvNBest piece of Recovery advice: You are not your thoughts.Song that symbolizes recovery:  Awake my Soul by Mumford and Sons - https://youtu.be/KpcBjt8Wqg8Resources: https://centerofsolace.com/Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cody: rollercodster2012@gmail.com Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: 12 Rules forLife: An Antidote to Chaos by  Jordan B.Peterson https://a.co/d/caElfKiBest piece of Recovery advice: Drive your own carSong that symbolizes recovery: River of Deceit by Mad Seasonhttps://youtu.be/Fm72DPJCX58?si=aNfxs42yBhvJajf4Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

George Haymaker - Certified Neuroscience Coach +Neuroeducator:https://www.georgehaymaker.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: A.A. Big Book- https://www.aa.org/the-big-book Best piece of Recovery advice -  There are three things you must always askyourself before you say anything:Does this need to be said?Does this need to be said by me?Does this need to be said by me now? Music that symbolizes Recovery to George:Dire Straits Mark KnopflerEric ClaptonDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cassie: vandevoorde7@gmail.comRecovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Unfu*kYourself: Get Out of Your Head and into Your Life by by Gary John Bishop - https://a.co/d/6PigsuMBest piece of Recovery advice: Your brain needs time toheal. So be patient.Song that symbolizes recovery to Cassie: Love Is Still TheAnswer by Jason Mraz - https://youtu.be/Sc2BK09eKhkResources: Thrive Family Recovery Resources - https://www.thrivefrr.org/Wild Hearts Adventures - https://www.wildha.orgDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA(c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Recovery Café Anoka County and donate: https://www.recoverycafeanokacounty.org/ Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Sean Hemeon Actor (911, Criminal Minds),Author (Good Little Drug Lord), artist:https://www.seanhemeon.com/ Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations: Drop the Rock: Removing Character Defects - Steps Six andSeven by Bill P., Todd Weber, Sara S. - https://a.co/d/hjoGscHThe Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself by MichaelA. Singer - https://a.co/d/gGu8uHQ Best piece of Recovery advice: Get comfortable with saying “IDon't Know” Songs that symbolize Recovery to Sean: Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley - https://youtu.be/vIw0ewEsNHs Don't Worry Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin - https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU?si=l3y5i3-OKmNXJlNn Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Jonathan Todd Schwartz Licensed addiction counselor andlicensed therapist (CADC, LADC, AMFT Quit lit (recovery literature) recommendation: How to Do theWork: Recognize Your Patterns, Heal from Your Past, and Create Your Self - https://a.co/d/0nrEqSe Best piece of recovery advice: Be willing to be vulnerable Recovery resources: Aces score: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean Music that symbolizes Recovery to Jonathan: Anything byLinkin Park - https://linkinpark.com/Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CC BY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Michael: paddlefordmichael@gmail.com Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Any dailydevotionals are worth reading  Best piece of Recovery advice: Recover Loud Recovery Resources: https://www.facebook.com/recoveryontheroad/https://www.youtube.com/@RecoverLoud  Song that symbolizes recovery to Michael: The Beginning  by The Real Young Swagg - https://youtu.be/-lkFQ7azuwI?si=ZeUZTn2VPwGBx2nh Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights ReservedTheme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Person in long term recovery, author, host of Sober Living Snippets, and Recovery Coach Becca Jacobson:https://beccajacobson.com/Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Autobiography of a Yogi (Self-Realization Fellowship) by Paramahansa Yogananda - https://a.co/d/2yb9bXuBest piece of Recovery advice: Get over your terminal uniquenessSong that symbolizes Recovery to Becca: Everything Is AWESOME!!! -- The LEGO® Movie - https://youtu.be/StTqXEQ2l-Y?si=XEAV3uM40Wj27eVNDon't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights ReservedTheme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Mike on his website: https://mikecinelli.com/   Book recommendation: Resilient: Restoring Your Weary Soul in These Turbulent Times by John Eldredge - https://a.co/d/d7LVha9   Best Advice: Bloom where you are planted!   Song that symbolizes recovery to Mike: Spirit Lead Me by Influence Music & Michael Ketterer - https://youtu.be/1Ko4yroBP0A?si=DE14e-5Gh30tlt2n   Resources: Hamilton County Coalition | Opioid Overdose Prevention | Tennessee - https://www.hccoalition.org/   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Ian: ianwfee@hotmail.com   Resources: Wild Ride To Sobriety: A Transformation from Drunken Oblivion to Profound Clarity by Ian Fee - https://a.co/d/bG6kz3t Website: https://wildridetosobriety.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom - https://a.co/d/hRFlBbv   Best piece of Recovery advice: Take it one day at a time   Song that symbolizes recovery: Welcome To The Jungle by Guns N' Roses - https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Kennerly Clay: https://kennerlyclay.com/ Letters from East of Nowhere - https://a.co/d/35LNKfd   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Came to believe - https://a.co/d/1CU86AY   Best piece of Recovery Advice: Stick around for the miracle to happen.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kennerly: Free by Ultra Nate - https://youtu.be/JgRBkjgXHro   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Tyler on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61557112647258   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Finding Your Moral Compass: Transformative Principles to Guide You In Recovery and Life by Craig Nakken - https://a.co/d/9lNbd8v   Best piece of Recovery advice: "Its OK to not be OK, it's just not ok to stay that way"   Song that symbolizes recovery: Be Alright by Nappy Roots - https://youtu.be/P614pRLZWWU   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Musician and person in long term recovery Hana Piranha: https://www.hanapiranha.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol by Holly Whitaker - https://a.co/d/hz7qTM1   Best piece of Recovery advice: Never question your decision to get sober   The Devil Always Pulls Through by Hana Piranha: https://youtu.be/LKojaqN5TQI   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Mishkin Fitzgerald and her projects: Lead Singer of CRIMSON VEIL on the major label Reigning Phoenix Bass Player in Hana Piranha https://www.notsaints.co.uk/ https://reigningphoenixmusic.com/news/crimson-veil-release-debut-album-hex-tomorrow-launch-title-track-music-video   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations: Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol by Holly Whitaker - https://a.co/d/bFoLFcl The Sober Diaries: How one woman stopped drinking and started living by Clare Pooley - https://a.co/d/1AwB4qt   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Forgive yourself   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mishkin: Eleventh Hour by Lamb of God - https://youtu.be/beltaLLilj4   Charlie's guilty Christian Rock Song: Flood by Jars of Clay - https://youtu.be/EfAhpX_wIBk   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Chris De Banks Founder of Not Saints and learn more about Not Saints: https://www.notsaints.co.uk/   Recover literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Big Book A Vision for You - https://www.aa.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/en_bigbook_chapt11.pdf   Best piece of Recovery advice: Accept your imperfection and your humanity, we are not Saints!   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Chris: Ghost by Ella Henderson - https://youtu.be/tA8AfQaUnXM   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact: sara.day@freegrace.tv Recovery literature (quit-lit) Recommendation: Healing Through Prayer: A 31 Day Devotional by Sara Day - https://a.co/d/6jpAgb9 Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Don't do it alone! Song that symbolizes recovery: Rescue Story by Zach Williams - https://youtu.be/9Yr48Berkqc Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jeff Jones and learn more about his work:   The Family Recovery Solution - https://thefamilyrecoverysolution.com/ Alcohol Bio Quiz https://alcoholbioquiz.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Seven Weeks to Sobriety by Joan Mathews Larson https://a.co/d/7jCFJPK   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jeff: Both Sides Now by Joni Mitchell - https://youtu.be/yXr2EFomFkU?si=QoSS_Jo7EWLZi-Io   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Athena and her work: https://athenaaperta.co.uk/ https://open.spotify.com/artist/4MmRHIifF0sRxChFx2ixtx?si=3Th28KQIR2SG3sgHgrXWRA   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober: Discovering a happy, healthy, wealthy alcohol-free life by Catherine Gray - https://a.co/d/j8c2nTJ The Sober Girl Society Handbook: An Empowering Guide to Living Hangover Free by Millie Gooch - https://a.co/d/1h0jGc7   Best piece of Recovery advice: Zoom Out   Song that symbolizes Recovery: Energy by Tyla Jane - https://youtu.be/WOoUNKcKpzM?si=vtsjkcVwYp9tJGfN   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Josh Lovelace and his music: https://www.joshlovelacemusic.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life by Richard Rohr - https://a.co/d/7vab9Gf   Best piece of Recovery advice: Find supportive people to your recovery   I Stopped Drinking Yesterday by Josh Lovelace - https://youtu.be/1MrV9dCv3nE?si=KdhqTxbdn1o1mZZD   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about the book!   Sobering Wisdom: Philosophical Explorations of Twelve Step Spirituality by Jerome A. Miller (Editor), Nicholas Plants (Editor) - https://a.co/d/ahaGYcP   Literature recommendations:   The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky - https://a.co/d/gZ5JNov   The Spirituality of Imperfection: Storytelling and the Search for Mean by by Ernest Kurtz (Author), Katherine Ketcham (Author) - https://a.co/d/cIvNpQu   Emily Dickenson Poems - https://www.amblesideonline.org/poet-dickinson   Best piece of Recovery advice - It works if you work it   Favorite movie - Charlie Chaplin City Lights   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Josh at joshua.smith@recoverycafeanokacounty.org Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation:  The Life Recovery Bible by Stephen Arterburn - https://a.co/d/2XLrtYC Best piece of Recovery advice: Give God your burdens. Song that symbolizes recovery: My Jesus by Anne Wilson - https://youtu.be/FW5o2uBeMWQ?si=DkgPIt1iZWYzEgqy (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Sonia Kahlon and Sisters in Sobriety:   https://sistersinsobriety.substack.com/   Robert Bray Tapping Video:   https://rlbray.com/services/thought-field-therapy/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best piece of Recovery advice: Progress not perfection   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Sonia: Forever by Drake - https://youtu.be/eDuRoPIOBjE?si=gP1LFdYqVwkwHn0c   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)  

Learn more about Daryl Dittmer and his work: https://www.daryldittmer.com/   Books by Daryl Dittmer:   When I Stop Fighting: The Unexpected Joy of Getting My Head Out Of My Ass - https://a.co/d/9gXeLA4   When YOU Stop Fighting: The Road You're On Is Your Own Asphalt - https://www.daryldittmer.com/when-you-stop-fighting   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Ten Commandments by Emmet Fox - https://a.co/d/1tno5Rm   Best piece of Recovery advice: First things first and the rest will be added on.   Song that symbolizes Recovery for Daryl: Time by Pink Floyd - https://youtu.be/Qr0-7Ds79zo?si=YpILrH2e6Bl3AiB-   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Sarah Allen Benton is an Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor, person in long term #Recovery & Author of the book PARENTS IN RECOVERY: Navigating a Sober Family Lifestyle. Sarah's latest addition into the quit lit space fills a sorely needed void, offering parents in Recovery a field guide full of advice & wisdom from her own experience, experts, & other parents who are in #Recovery. Sarah shares on her Recovery & the unique challenges of parenting in Recovery so #ListenUp Reach out to Sarah Allen Benton:   https://www.bentonbhc.com/   Parents in Recovery: Navigating a Sober Family Lifestyle - https://www.bentonbhc.com/books/#parents   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Drinking: A Love Story by Caroline Knapp - https://a.co/d/edHdz8r   Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl - https://a.co/d/39EsWoU   Best pieces of recovery advice:   If you don't take the first drink you won't get drunk. This too shall pass. Recovery is often a process of recommitting   Not Afraid by Eminem - https://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s?si=s0oosQMelxZfbUIA   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:   The Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself - https://a.co/d/52PsENO   Best piece of Recovery advice: Your sobriety is your own.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Cy: All These Things That I've Done by The Killers -https://youtu.be/sZTpLvsYYHw?si=W_uBps6X0iyp7cr4   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Alex: mailto:alex@themindfullifepractice.com    Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Daily Reflections on Addiction, Yoga, and Getting Well - https://a.co/d/aB8A23J   Meditations From The Mat: A Daily Guide for the Practice of Yoga By: Gates, Rolf -https://a.co/d/5yftrWx   Best piece of advice: "Really lean into community".   Resources/links:   Sober Yoga Girl (book) https://a.co/d/6JJrg7c Soberyogagirl.com Themindfullifepractice.com   Song that symbolizes recovery: https://youtu.be/4MBwWJdr8_c?si=oH0csGq4mAZCU6xl   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Mitch “Motivates” Leff: https://mitchmotivates.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation:   A.A. Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best pieces of Recovery advice: One Day at a Time. Beat yourself up with a feather not a bat.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Mitch: Play Hard by David Guetta - https://youtu.be/5dbEhBKGOtY?si=xHlx14QNgeqJvHaV   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about William Cope Moyers, Vice President of Public Affairs Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation and author of these books:   Broken: My Story of Addiction and Redemption - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/11672?Broken-Softcover Broken Open: What Painkillers Taught Me About Life and Recovery - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/560325?Broken-Open   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   24 Hours a Day - https://www.hazelden.org/store/item/1096?Twenty-Four-Hours-a-Day-Hardcover-24-Hours   Songs that symbolize Recovery to William: Anything by the Beatles or Rolling Stones   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)  

Contact Travis: gonefishing@gmail.com Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: NLT Life Recovery Bible - https://a.co/d/ikAf7lB Best piece of Recovery advice: "Get vulnerable. Vulnerability brings life back to you." Song that symbolizes recovery: My Jesus by Anne Wilson https://youtu.be/FW5o2uBeMWQ?si=wUJh3URlS9gGswLd Resources/links: Riverplace Center - https://riverplacecenter.com/ 'Wednesday Night Winners' AA meeting in Anoka MN Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064 (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jenny and learn more about her and her work:   https://jennyteeters.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations: Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions   Best piece of Recovery advice: Participate!   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Jenny: I came here to live by Trace Adkins - https://youtu.be/Steswvd7DQE?si=Y9OT1bcf69CKjCA6   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

John Machado shares his passion for the 12 steps with us and talked about a wide array of topics such as emotional maturity in early recovery, communication skills, and learning what true intimacy in a relationship is. The first step towards learning any hard lesson is always the hardest, and nothing that's worth it is going to come easy! There is a smooth flow as we chop it up together for a bit and I hope you connect with us as much as we did with each other. This was John's first ever podcast appearance and he's got a great voice for radio so #ListenUp   Contact info: johnallenmachado.com      johnallenmachado@gmail.com Instagram: @johnallenmachado   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/4dE1Jzr   Best piece of Recovery advice: You don't want to have “meeting” recovery ( Do the work).   Song that symbolizes recovery to John: Wondering Why by The Red Clay Strays - https://youtu.be/GhcMmaUPtrk?si=kCQz7vGo6p04Jx8s   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Dallas Brag:   https://www.drdallasbragg.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   Anything by Gabor Mate https://drgabormate.com/book/   Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear https://a.co/d/0XAM1p1   Lust, Men, and Meth: A Gay Man's Guide to Sex and Recovery by David Michael Fawcett - https://a.co/d/iOy14HD   Best piece of Recovery advice: Do one thing to interrupt the negative cycle today.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Dallas: Don't Worry Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin - https://youtu.be/68vZX2uUKKA?si=1HOTppPjkNrGN5i1   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Robert L Bray Licensed Clinical Social Worker PHD Clinical Psychology and learn more about his work:   Thought Field Therapy Center of San Diego   www.rlbray.com   Book recommendations:   The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge - https://a.co/d/5enki8L   The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom - https://a.co/d/iRTyGnV   Best piece of Recovery advice: Your primary purpose is to love yourself as much as the causes and people you love the most   Song recommendations: Anything by Johnny Cash   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Paul and learn more about Wild Heart Adventures: Wildha.org Thrivefrr.org Contact Paul: Paul@wildha.org Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation:  The Anatomy of Peace: Resolving the Heart of Conflict by The Arbinger Institute - https://a.co/d/hbth1Fs Best Piece of Advice: "Do you want to be right for the sake of justice? Or do you want to love for the sake of relationship?" Songs recommendations: Jake's Song: The Nights by Avicii - https://youtu.be/UtF6Jej8yb4?si=kP44xyv6pRLHx1k2 Paul's Song: I Am... I Said by Neil Diamond - https://youtu.be/tA5bFJt9Wp0?si=_53LnzHax7wwQjzQ (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Jonathan Horstmann and check out his band Urban Heat:   https://www.urbanheatband.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation - The Sober Lush: A Hedonist's Guide to Living a Decadent, Adventurous, Soulful Life--Alcohol Free - https://a.co/d/0rERNiB   Best piece of Recovery advice – Relapse can be a part of the Recovery process.   To Build A Home by The Cinematic Orchestra - https://youtu.be/oUFJJNQGwhk?si=uOBMFObC0TXrfDuu   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Kerry Braun:   IG: @soul_discoverycoach   More about Kundalini yoga - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_yoga   Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation: AA Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book   Best piece of Recovery advice: Only the here and now can hold you.   Song that symbolizes Recovery to Kerry: Once You're Gone by Paul Cauthen - https://youtu.be/8mC6xQoym1A?si=MqiBxiom7vV7Lh1N Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Patrick Holbert and learn more about her work:   https://www.patrickholbert.com/   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendations:   The Tender Bar: A Memoir by J. R. Moehringer - https://a.co/d/aNsT9wd The Recovering: Intoxication and Its Aftermath - https://a.co/d/1P2sGf7   Best piece of Recovery advice - To thine own self be true.   I Don't Wanna Be An Asshole Anymore by The Menzingers - https://youtu.be/TQBG7wAVWAA?si=VfBvI_cLGsKAAULg   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: You Are Not Your Trauma: Uproot Unhealthy Patterns, Heal the Family Tree by Caroline Beidler and Diana Dalles - https://a.co/d/bqP2Aa0 Best pieces of Recovery advice: Diana - Be yourself Caroline - Your life has value and purpose Song recommendations: Caroline Break Every Chain by Tasha Cobbs Leonard - https://youtu.be/ucY6NwQTI3M?si=GdIRGaT9RmmKyDg1 Diana I Want to Dance with Somebody by Whitney Houston - https://youtu.be/eH3giaIzONA?si=YNaJfQtaHb6OzzRp Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Paulette: spiritledsobriety@gmail.com   Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: This Naked Mind: Control Alcohol, Find Freedom, Discover Happiness, and Change Your by Annie Grace - https://a.co/d/0j33kofH   Best Piece of Recovery Advice: "Quit future trippin'"   Song that symbolizes recovery: Born to Run  by Bruce Springsteen - https://youtu.be/IxuThNgl3YA?si=xZ_PJeLUMR30_cVi   Don't forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!   https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=3c5c5bb2ba0e4064   (c) 2015 - 2024 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)