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A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists. Friday is the twenty-fifth anniversary of 9/11. 9/11 marked a turning point in American history when two planes were hijacked by extremists who flew into two buildings at the World Trade Center in New York and another at the Pentagon, and two thousand nine hundred and seventy-seven people were killed. It was the deadliest attack on the US since Pearl Harbor sixty years prior. Following 9/11, the US government implemented multiple pieces of significant legislation around curbing and countering terrorism and enemy combatants. Policies such as the USA Patriot Act and the Special Registration Program targeted and disproportionately affected Arabs, South Asians, and Muslims in America. Tonight on Apex Express, in recognition of the twenty-fifth anniversary, we are hearing from members of the Alliance of South Asians Taking Action, ASATA. Several ASATA members will listen to Apex Express episodes about the impact of 9/11 and share their thoughts. You will hear pieces of shows starting all the way back to two thousand two and as recently as this spring.   LINKS Alliance of South Asians Taking Action, ASATA Bay Area Solidarity Summer (BASS) Black Panther Party History   SHOW TRANSCRIPT [00:00:00] Opening: Apex Express Asian Pacific expression. Community and cultural coverage, music and calendar, new visions and voices, coming to you with an Asian Pacific Islander point of view. It's time to get on board the Apex Express. [00:00:34] Miko Lee: Welcome to Apex Express. This is Miko Lee, and I'm introducing a show that is recognizing the time that we're in. And as many of you might know, this Friday is the twenty-fifth anniversary of 9/11. 9/11 marked a turning point in American history when two planes were hijacked by extremists who flew into two buildings at the World Trade Center in New York and another at the Pentagon, and two thousand nine hundred and seventy-seven people were killed. It was the deadliest attack on the US since Pearl Harbor sixty years prior. Following 9/11, the US government implemented multiple pieces of significant legislation around curbing and countering terrorism and enemy combatants. Policies such as the USA Patriot Act and the Special Registration Program targeted and disproportionately affected Arabs, South Asians, and Muslims in America. Tonight on Apex Express, in recognition of the twenty-fifth anniversary, we are hearing from members of the Alliance of South Asians Taking Action, ASATA. Several ASATA members will listen to Apex Express episodes about the impact of 9/11 and share their thoughts. You will hear pieces of shows starting all the way back to two thousand two and as recently as this spring. So stay tuned to Apex Express and reflections on the twenty-fifth anniversary of 9/11.   [00:02:06] Arati: Hi everyone. Welcome. Can you please introduce yourselves?   [00:02:09] Hafsa: Hey everyone. My name is Hafsa. I'm here from ASATA.    [00:02:13] Palvinder: Hi all, Palvinder Kaur a Sikh community organizer here in Sacramento.   [00:02:19] Priya: Hi, I'm Priya. I'm also an organizer with ASATA and a teacher based in Oakland.   [00:02:23] Arati: We're gonna start listening to our clips now.    [00:02:25] Speaker 5: I can clearly remember my parents repeating, “Please don't let it be a Muslim. Please don't let it be a Muslim,” while watching the news. I didn't process at age five the type of impact this would have on my family, but as I got older, those words stuck with me as I watched police outside our mosques and soldiers touching down in Muslim countries around the globe.   [00:02:45] George W. Bush: Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward.    [00:02:50] Speaker 7: I got a call after the first tower had been hit.    [00:02:53] Speaker 8: I was right here. My roommate was like, “Hey, man. Wake up. You should watch this.”    [00:02:59] Speaker 9: My mom called me at 7:00 in the morning, and whenever my mom calls, I always think, “Oh, God,” you know? “What happened,” right? And my immediate reaction was, Bush has got his war now.    [00:03:10] George W. Bush: Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts.   [00:03:25] Speaker 9: Pretty much as soon as the towers fell and it was determined to be a terrorist act, people were talking about Pearl Harbor, you know, day of infamy and making all those parallels. And of course, there was that immediate fear of backlash against Arab Americans. But what's the point of revenge? It's not gonna bring the people who died back. It's not gonna prevent future attacks, in my opinion. If anything, it might create the conditions for more hatred.    [00:03:55] Speaker 10: It is heartbreaking when you hear somebody who's not even a Muslim or Arab got killed in Arizona who just happened to wear this traditional clothes.   [00:04:10] Speaker 9: Within the first week, I started seeing reports on the internet about hate crimes that occurred in San Francisco.   [00:04:15] Speaker 11: Arab American Discrimination more than two hundred incidents of hate crimes. Six of these people died.    [00:04:30] Speaker 7: My mom actually called me and she was like, “Shave your beard,” you know, like, “Don't do anything stupid.” My partner actually from Urban Groove, is a Sikh, and he was in Pittsburgh at the time, and he called me up and he said, “I'm scared for us right now.” I can't even go to the library. I can't even go to the gym. People are looking at me funny just getting in your car and going outside. You know, at that time we realized the education that really needed to come to a lot of Americans that Muslim or not, these are not people that blew up the World Trade Center. These are not people that hurt other Americans. You know, these are our friends, our coworkers, our family.   [00:05:15] Speaker 12: It took me a while to find my voice and publicly react and respond to the events at the close of 2001. Part of that has to do with the memory of how irrational Americans become during times of war. I didn't wanna be on any blacklists, be monitored, stand out.    [00:05:34] Speaker 8: One of the things that I thought was really ironic was the question the media posed to the, the public. You know, how could this happen to us? Well, kind of stop and look at the history of our foreign policy. It's pretty evident in why something like this would happen.    [00:05:50] Speaker 9: I didn't feel like I was being disrespectful, and I didn't think that I was somehow, like, less American for also criticizing the government. But then again, the appropriate response is that we all just fall in line behind the Bush administration, whatever they do. It doesn't matter. Civil liberties are trampled. This is the appropriate response. You know, this is the way we show our patriotism.   [00:06:12] Arati: So most of those clips were from Robyn Takayama's 2002 documentary in which she's using different community voices to explore her own discovery of what patriotism looks like. It starts with, like, a small cut from the 20th anniversary, and then the rest of that is from these series of immediate reactions and lived experiences from Robyn's documentary. So reflecting on when this documentary was released, 2002, and where we are now, what still feels resonant? Does anything feel stale or stuck in time, or are there things that you're still like, “Yeah, that's really where we're at now”?    [00:06:43] Hafsa: I think for me, growing up with the Muslim community in Southern California, I remember 2002 being a very scary time as the people in this audio clip are kind of sharing. And I think now I don't feel as stranded as an American Muslim in America as I did at that time. And to provide context, I was 11 years old at that time, and I could feel the fear from people older than me and, even my friends as we would go to recess, and we would think we'd get sniped down by someone who's, like, looking out for us because we're little Muslim kids. yeah, I think that's something that I can definitely feel, where I don't feel stranded. I don't feel like there are, there is a lack of other communities who've been harmed who can also make bridges with us.    [00:07:34] Arati: Yeah. Thanks, Hafsa.    [00:07:35] Palvinder: Yeah, similarly, I was, I was a teen as well, probably 11. I grew up Sikh. My dad wore the star, a turban. I remember seeing it on the news. And I didn't really register for me for about a little bit of time until, like, the first racist comment was made towards my dad or we heard about, the Arizona death. It wasn't until, you know, Brown communities, Sikh communities, uh, Muslim communities were targeted, anyone who looked Muslim, right, And so for me, I think at the time, it took a while to fully register. But, you know, once it did, it was like, oh, this isn't about it just being a Muslim. It's like people are just perceiving anybody. And, as I grew up, I realized, the need for, communities not to say like, “Oh, but we're not Muslim,” you know? And I think that was like a really strong push from a lot of the Sikh community organizers, reflecting back on it. But of course, you still have folks who are in the community who are just like trying to say, “But we're not Muslim.” And that's a, that was a problem. You know, I wanna call out that, that problematic nature, and I think the same thing happens today when we see it around communities who have different immigration statuses. and it's like, oh, we might be X, Y, Z race, but we're not. You know, we're, we're American, or we were born here, we're a citizen. And it's just like, but why are we othering ourselves? So I still see some of those similarities around othering. I struggle with it because I can understand from the perspective of, you know, some of the individuals trying their best, working hard, and wanting to not be targeted, but at the same time, like, it's not the right thing to do. I think we're seeing a lot more, collaboration now, I would say, a lot more shifting in the narrative. I know we've had a lot of conversations across, the Sikh community over the past two and a half decades around the problem with othering ourselves from other races and other, other identities. And so I, I think that's one aspect of it, but I still see that same sort of nature, right? Like, um, when an attack happens or when there's a shooting, it's constantly like, don't let it be a interracial identity or immigration identity, right? and, I feel like the media continues to fail us, like the narratives around people of color, immigrants, is just very dehumanizing. and somehow, white folks get humanized in all of the actions that they're taking. I do feel like there's a media component to it, and we have to call that out. The one thing that, you know, when one of the individuals had shared that they were like falling in line, I think about just the over-surveillance that's occurring and the way that social media recordings and just everything going live in public, you know, the need to be vocal, but there is a sort of line, right, that we all know that we shouldn't cross, and the fear of being seen as un-American.   [00:10:15] Arati: Thank you, Balvinder.   [00:10:16] Priya: I can briefly add on to what was shared. Something you said, Hafsa, really struck me that when you were 11 years old, even going to recess was something that created a culture of fear, and honestly, I still see that in some of my students. When there were threats of ICE in the Bay Area, my classroom was empty. I mean, like, 90% of students didn't come to school that whole week. That culture of fear still exists, among, like, Black and brown communities, even here in the Bay. but we have made a lot of connections with each other as people of color in our organizing histories. But the culture of fear is still salient.   [00:10:51] Arati: Thanks, Priya. Do you feel like there's stuff, you know, a lot of these were current day organizers still 25 years later reflecting on their experiences. Are there pieces of the strategy that we still feel like are salient and that we want to bring with us and continue implementing in 2026?   [00:11:06] Hafsa: I think the communities that reach out to each other, that's something that's still working out for us now. I remember the Japanese community reached out to our masjid because they had been interned. Like, they were in internment camps, and they knew what it felt like to be othered in America in a very vile way. And I remember learning, oh, wow, like, A) there's a big Japanese community in Southern California, and B) they are so resilient that they care enough to reach out to us even though they went through all this already, and now they wanna show us or they wanna be there for us in whatever capacity. So I think, like, as we grow and go through these traumatic events, whatever we learn, there's a resilience that we build when we reach out to other communities.    [00:11:55] Arati: Yeah, absolutely. All right, we're gonna move to our next set of clips. this is gonna be a little heavy, but there's some really incredible stuff in here thinking about the organizing that is birthed of necessity, and a lot of the Sikh coalition's actions in the immediate aftermath, and specifically Asata's actions here in the Bay Area.   [00:12:11] Speaker 8: At the end of the day, necessity is the mother of invention. On the day of 9/11 Sikhs in New York, where the Sikh Coalition is based, saw hate crimes occurring the afternoon of 9/11. Three members of our community were literally chased through the streets of Manhattan. The afternoon of 9/11, an elderly man was beaten to the point of having broken bones, and Sikh young children were shot with paintball guns. And so the night of, we issued a press release grieving against attack on the country and calling on a police to protect our community from hate crimes. Our first real action beyond the press release on the night of 9/11 was to create a website where community members could report hate crimes and other forms of discrimination that were occurring to them. And within that first month after 9/11, more than three hundred people logged in and, and reported acts of discrimination. Everything from, from people who had been shot at, one gentleman who was murdered, to beatings, school bullying, employment discrimination alike. And we really used the information there to get the word out to the media and the policymakers that we have a real problem that needs to be addressed immediately.   [00:13:24] So I think, you know, the heart of the activism in that first month was really creating a space for people to report what was happening and then using that information to call for change. We were able to persuade the, the city of New York to create a regulation on school bullying where none existed before, and where school administrators are required to track bullying incidents and keep statistics on them. They have to ma– use all means they possibly can to take non-punitive measures. And that regulation protects one point one million students in the public school system in New York City, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, national origin, religion, and the like. We were just able to get the New York City mayor to sign a bill that raises the bar for when employers can reject a request for religious accommodation in the workplace. Post 9/11, Sikhs have been barred from a number of jobs, including city jobs, because of their turbans. And if you wanna work for the public transit system, you have to brand your turban or if you're a Muslim, your hijab, with a Metropolitan Transportation Authority logo. And so we were able to get the mayor to sign a bill last week that basically bans most of those practices. And again, it protects literally millions of New Yorkers who work in the city from discrimination based on religion in the workplace. But at the end of the day, it's again, a regulation that pushes back on the government being able to do whatever it wants and creates a space for anyone to enjoy those protections.   [00:14:50] Speaker 13: So in the Bay Area, ASATA members distributed multilingual know your rights flyers and provided legal support in collaboration with other activist groups, such as the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee, the former ADC in San Francisco, the National Lawyers Guild, Council of American-Islamic Relations and the Progressive Bengali Network, and ASATA members provided support by taking down the contact information of the men standing outside the Department of Justice to register so as to notify families in case they were detained or disappeared, and also provided information about free legal resources.    [00:15:28] Speaker 14: There's a really moving testimony of a young Muslim girl from Seattle, Washington. Her and her mother were held in detention for, I think, nine months- Mm … without charges or anything, and her mother actually almost died while they were in detention. It was just such a traumatic experience, and I mean, we really need to let these stories be heard.    [00:15:46] Speaker 15: I wanted to point something out, that the figures from May 2003 from the INS or BCIS say that the number of people registered as of May 11th, 2003, were 82,581. Number of people detained, and these are their figures, so who knows what the real figures really are, 2,761. Number of people still detained at that time, 158, and the number of people charged with terrorism-related crimes, zero.    [00:16:19] Speaker 16: Reports indicate that some of those taken into custody were harshly treated. They were handcuffed, shackled, placed in cold cells without adequate clothing or blankets, blankets, forced to sleep standing or on concrete floors, hosed down with cold water, and denied adequate food and water.    [00:16:40] Speaker 17: And I would like to ask for volunteers because when we monitor, when we stand here and monitor people, there are less detentions, there are less questions, and people get done quickly. Some people are afraid to go alone, and they can take a companion with them. If we want safety and security, we cannot buy it by terrorizing other people. We need to change our thinking. We need to change our ways. As superpowers, we need to start empowering people, not taking them away, not putting them in prisons, not detaining. This country has become so secretive. Secret evidence, secret detentions, secret deportations. Everything is secret except our privacy. So we need to really take our country back.   [00:17:32] Arati: Okay. So that was a little longer and definitely somewhat heavy. but I think it's really interesting to hear how people were talking about this, especially post 9/11, and how they were talking about the country in general, and then their work in specific. What things stood out to you from how our communities were able to spring into action immediately post 9/11?   [00:17:49] Palvinder: I was a teen, so to me, as I learned all of the immediate action that was taken, it was really incredible and inspiring, so many different areas of it, right? Raising awareness around the detentions, trying to create that website. Working on school policies. Like, there was so much that was happening, and so much that continues to happen. Great to see community springing into action. I also struggled for so long in my early organizing days, being frustrated that these systems were not created for us, these policies were not created for us. And then when you learn so many of the policies were literally created against us- post 9/11, the over-policing, the over-targeting, it was just so challenging, right? Like, we have already so much, so many more challenges that we're dealing with, and then here we have additional barriers to just kind of living a, a decent life here. But you know, still continue to be inspired by, the way that folks sort of look to heal the community and support. And so I think that, like, one of the things I think about is, is the community within the communities that we were able to create that culture of healing, as much as possible, and then also thinking about the greater change and sort of protections for our community. I struggle with the hate crime stuff, you know, and the data there because, you know, there's so much around how data is used. Is it used in a beneficial way? Is it even, you know, supporting anything that's gonna create some real change? and then of course there's a surveillance question. But again, like I truly feel that folks thought this was coming from a good place. Um, and so I just continue to be mindful around the tactics that we're using, being mindful of like going fast but also being thoughtful and considerate around how these might impact us in the long run. And I, I hope that we continue to look at that. not just finding sort of immediate solutions that might work for us now, but seeing the long-term impact of them too.    [00:19:34] Arati: Yeah, totally. Would love to hear folks' thoughts on this as well, and also I'm curious, I've, I've now heard a few of you say a couple times just like what it meant to be a child at the time, and yeah, maybe not actually being tapped in in that moment of what organizing and activism was taking place when you were that young. But I'm curious also about kind of hearing about it more, and I'm sure as you grew up but also now as an adult, kind of what, how you feel like that maybe has shaped you.    [00:20:00] Hafsa: It's great to hear that there was a collection of bullying and racism happening in schools and that being reported because 100% I'm sure each of those data points represents so many other unreported happenings. For reference, I went to high school in Huntington Beach, California. I did not know the demographics of that area until I left high school, and it helped me understand my experiences there, especially with the teachers who were allowed to be racist. One of the only books in my history teacher's class was a book about how the Quran is false. He was a white man, Christian white man, and this was a history class. and he was a beloved teacher, beloved. And this is just one of many things that happened and that went unreported because we thought, oh, we are lesser than them. We do have to stick together. This is how they talk to us in front of us and behind our backs. So I remember hanging out exclusively with other Muslim students who also wore hijab because that's who we were pushed into a corner and you look around and that's who's there. And I remember going to the masjid and every time there was someone who didn't quite look Arab or South Asian or generally Muslim, if it's like a white person entering the masjid, I'm thinking, “Is that a government operative?” And it was sometimes. Every masjid I knew had at least one person who was hella shady, and they were spying on us, and I wonder where that data lives right now.    [00:21:30] Arati: Yeah. Absolutely. And that's hard not to think about in the surveillance state we're living in now.   [00:21:36] Priya: I was only three when 9/11 happened, but as an organizer now, I am really looking back on how our communities showed up for each other and provided like mutual aid relationship building, and that's the kind of organizing that I wanna build on now in the Bay Area. So the way that like we showed up and we did know your rights in different languages and we, you know, took people's names down, like we're still doing that, and that's the kind of work that I like want us to keep doing and that I feel really proud to be a part of. We have ICE watch at our school where neighbors walk around our school every single morning for an hour, and they have their whistle ready. So if they see ICE, they know how many times to blow the whistle, and we will, you know, spring into action immediately. But yeah, that kind of like relationship building and my neighbor's got my back, and I've got yours, and we're like in this together, and, and we live together, but we also like know each other's names, and we know what it means to keep each other safe because that's not what the government is doing for us. That's what stands out to me from post 9/11 organizing, and that's what I wanna build on.    [00:22:46] Palvinder: Yeah, echoing that. Community and connection and relationship building and healing. I remember specifically there was, in Fresno, Piara Singh, an elderly Sikh man, got attacked. And, our first thing was like, “Okay, what do we do? Like, how do we heal as a community as well?” Of course, the news media attention is there forefront for, like, a day or two, maybe a week max. but you know, when the individual recovers, or they are gonna be recovering, there's really not much attention after that. And for us, it was really like, how do we allow our elders to feel safe, right? How do we allow our community to feel safe, that same walk that this individual is taking, you know? And so I think there was components around that about healing, but also wanting to move fast. I think one of my greatest lessons would just be, centering healing and community and relationship building throughout all of it. no matter how fast we wanna go or how quickly we need to go, I just think about the need to center that. And I think more and more trying to find ways when we aren't springing into action about how we can implement some of that and make sure that that's also centered to the work that we're doing.   [00:23:51] Arati: Yeah. I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on pieces of the specific organizing that was happening that feel maybe relevant. I'm thinking about the non-punitive bullying measures, the non-discrimination activities that had broad benefits, monitoring for safety and security, the description of the detention conditions. I know we've touched on some of these already, but I wonder if there's anything else that's coming up when people are thinking about strategizing and coalition building in 2026.   [00:24:16] Hafsa: All the information I got as a child was through gossips and rumors from elders who were talking, and they were saying, “Hey, we have CIA operatives in the masjid. Hey, we might be attacked. You gotta watch out.” So I think just that sort of conversation or that kind of community interaction is so important because the media wasn't telling me how to save my butt. It was telling me that I'm a scary person, and I'm gonna grow up to do something terrible one day. And I couldn't find an ounce of that within me, so.   [00:24:51] Arati: All right. Thanks everybody. Let's move to our next clip. speaking of media, perfect transition. this is a reflection around the 10-year anniversary of 9/11, and a lot of the audio in these clips are actually thinking about when the media started talking to us rather than just about us.   [00:25:07] Speaker 19: It's the first time we actually have media approaching us around the time of the anniversary asking us what have been the effects on our communities. Uh, whereas before it would, you know, sort of be focused very much around the families that were directly affected by 9/11 and occasionally we'd get a call to check in about, oh, you know, are you– is your community facing any backlash? We've received a decent number of media requests talking about what the last ten years have been like. What have the various ways that our communities have been affected. And at the same time, uh, you know, I think a lot of the exposés in particular that have been criticizing what law enforcement and government agencies have done in the last ten years, a lot of those have seemed to come out in the last, uh, couple of weeks. Mother Jones did a extensive special on, uh, the FBI and their use of undercover agents and informants across the country. The AP has been doing a series, uh, the Associated Press has been doing a series on the NYPD, their collaboration with the CIA and, and their, uh, mapping of Muslim communities in New York. NPR has been doing stories and, and that it seems that they– there is an interest in the media to sort of be more critical, uh, slightly more critical of law enforcement agencies and, uh, starting to demand some form of transparency and accountability that so far they were just given a free leeway to do whatever they wanted, and everything was justified in the name of protecting, uh, our cities. Uh, but now there's starting to be some questions are starting to be raised.   [00:26:48] Arati: Yeah, I feel like this kind of feels really specific in terms of what we were just talking about, and it draws us back into that idea. and I'm curious about if we have reflections on how movement work has changed, especially now that we do have to kind of consider how to engage with the current media apparatus and how does responding to what the media is saying about us, trying to work with the media to share out different kinds of messaging, is that something that folks are thinking about?   [00:27:11] Priya: It just reminds me of how like three weeks ago it came out that the federal government was spying on organizing activities in Minnesota among unions, among organizers. Like this is … no surprise this is still happening, but it can be helpful to look back and, and think about how our communities have experienced this before, and how we came together and how we can prevent it. Or just be more aware of the possibility that it will continue to happen.   [00:27:40] Palvinder: I think the common thing that I kinda see in, my perspective of it is, like, in the moment when something happens, it's constantly the same thing, right? Oh my gosh, let's go talk to the community, and, like, media wants to paint their narrative of it, right? Questions are very specific. and then there's, like, a timeframe where the reflection happens, right? 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years later. And it's like, oh, let's see the impact on the community. Let's see how they're affected. But in the moment, when the opportunity is so prime, like, we don't really have that. I mean, I think more and more I've seen folks, even in, like, media trainings with the community. And so I've really appreciated when folks don't actually answer those questions, and they just shift their response to what they really wanna get across because that's really what our community wants to share. You know, we don't wanna just always answer the question and kind of fill the narrative that the media wants in the moment. but really, like, sharing it from our perspective. And so just greater need to write our own histories, document what's happening. I think we're so caught up in the moment sometimes that we don't even do that. And of course, there's a balance, right, of, action is being taken, what sort of impact those, taking photos or videos of those actions have as well. I just really think that we need to continue to make sure that the stories and the narratives that we want to share even in the moment are shared. and so flipping that script is really great for folks who can do that. I'm not an expert on that. I hope to be one day. But, yeah, just wanna also acknowledge that the reflection piece is, when I feel like the media starts talking to us.   [00:29:14] Hafsa: Yeah, I think, something that I've shifted within myself because, just, talking to media and, you know, being able to represent myself and my community, that's not something that's within my skillset. Like, that's not something I definitely work on. But what I do love to work on is increasing representation of people who look like us in other areas. And I think back as 11-year-old American Muslim immigrant growing up in America, what did me and my friends need? And something that we didn't have access to was really, like, the outdoors and nature, and that is just the number one healing thing, and that's something that a lot of immigrant communities cannot find when we come to America 'cause we are put in areas that don't have nature, where it's redlined districts or places that we can afford. They don't have access to nature. So something I like to do is try to organize for those communities to get us out in nature and feel safe because when we can feel safe in the world alone, we can feel ourselves in a way that we can't when we hear media tell us that we are scary or we are worthless or whatever else. It's a great place to unwrap those lies and really feel ourselves.    [00:30:22] Arati: That's a beautiful reflection. I really appreciate you thinking about what you needed as a child, what our communities need, and, what, what it feels like to work with the media, but also to be like, ” That might not be our friend.” So how do we protect ourselves from the media? Thank you for sharing that.   [00:30:37] Palvinder: I'll also just quickly add on the media piece, and this is like a definitely based off my, my experiences. There are certain folks who have access to media, you know, in the community. There are certain folks and organizations who the media will always go to. And, you know, I understand they've built those relationships, they've invested those resources, and I would just really encourage, you know, and continue to encourage those folks to really think about the folks who are on the ground doing the work as well, and giving opportunity to those voices as well when they want them. cause of course, not all organizers and activists want those, opportunities. But, I just think that it's important to share the diversity of voices amongst the community, and while many of those who have access and privilege with media, they are very niche. and yes, they're eloquent in their speaking, they're great at sort of getting what message they want across, but we're also very diverse communities. You know, there are some folks who are gonna pick up the pen and then others who are gonna go to the streets, you know, and organize. There's others contacting decision-makers. So it just all depends. But, yeah, I would just really encourage our communities to really think about, sharing the mic really.   [00:31:46] Arati: Okay. Thanks so much for sharing that. These are really, really incredible reflections. Um, we're gonna move to our next set of clips. A lot of this is gonna be audio from a massive Stop Urban Shield demonstration in 2014, which is nested inside of an interview with Zahra Billoo from CAIR or the Council on American Islamic Relations. So we get to hear from Zahra, we get to hear from the Stop Urban Shield work, which was happening right here in the Bay Area, and, um, I'm excited to hear y'all's thoughts.   [00:32:14] Speaker 20: I think a, a really huge local victory for Bay Area residents to celebrate is all of the organizing that happened to push back Urban Shield. I don't know if folks are familiar with Urban Shield, but it's essentially like a massive law enforcement training exercise where they train SWAT teams and sell weapons and, you know, military-grade weaponry for domestic police agencies. And so when you wonder why the local police department in Ferguson has a tank or things of that sort, or why people are dying because police are using military-grade weapons, a lot of that's happening in this culture of this Urban Shield convention, and so it's been coming to Alameda County for a couple of years now.   [00:32:54] Speaker 21: On the second day of Urban Shield, community members filled the intersection of 10th and Broadway, just outside of the Marriott where the vendor show was taking place.   [00:33:11] Speaker 23: Can you read the sign that you're holding?    [00:33:15] Speaker 22: Don't shoot. From Ferguson, Gaza to Oakland, our homes are not war zones.    [00:33:21] Speaker 23: Simi Makhijani. I'm here with the Alliance of South Asians Taking Action. We're out here to stand in solidarity with all those that are targeted by state-sponsored violence, whether at the hands of Oakland, Ferguson, New York Police Department, or the drone attacks on Pakistan, or the struggles against Zionism in Palestine or Hindu supremacy in India. After September 11th here, in terms of surveillance and unwarranted detentions of Muslims and those mistaken as Muslims in the Sikh population, and in other countries from Kashmir to Gujarat to Gaza, you know, the attacks on Muslims. We haven't always been recognized or as visible as we should be in standing together, walking together in these struggles here, and it's the primary reason that we're trying to be here, because it's really important that non-Black communities of color not be silent on this issue.   [00:34:13] Speaker 21: Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders came out in force, and nearly everyone I spoke with made links between the militarization of police in our communities in the US and the militarism perpetuated by the US throughout Asia.    [00:34:26] Speaker 24: The increasing brutality of the local police and the paranoia about terrorist attacks stems directly from the attack on the Twin Towers. Of course, giving local police military-grade equipment is older than 9/11, but we've seen an upswing in funding from the Department of Homeland Security. So in that way, Urban Shield is one facet of the war on terror.    [00:34:45] Speaker 20: There was a really great coalition that formed on the ground in the Bay Area, primarily out of Oakland and San Francisco, that said, “Look, you can't push violent policing in our community, that we're not going to let you use Oakland as a base for that kind of development and activity.” And so they organized for a couple of months leading up to it, and then around the convention last weekend, there were very large rallies and huge visibility events. They also got a couple of people to move their events from the Oakland Marriott, which is where the convention was happening. And as a result, the, the news or the rumor out right now is that Urban Shield will not be returning to the Bay Area. And even if it does, I always find victories even in the organizing, right? Getting hundreds if not thousands of people out to push back against violent policing, against civil liberties erosion is a very big deal. And so if folks wanna learn more about that campaign, they can simply Google Stop Urban Shield.   [00:35:41] Arati: I just think there's so many incredible moments in that and, that was a big win in 2014. In thinking, in particular about how the speakers described Urban Shield as an extension of the surveillance state and as an extension of the war on terror, and then about the campaign itself around that event, I'm wondering what lessons the current day movement organizers can take from this.   [00:36:01] Palvinder: I think the biggest thing is probably that it's not in a vacuum, right? there's a lot of other movements that are very similar. There's a lot of other things that are a part of these larger systems, right? specifically, it was mentioned as the war on terror, right? So this is just one part of that, one facet of it, and I think it was really great that there was specific call-out for Ferguson, Gaza, other international movements as well across the globe, and I think that that's super critical, in the organizing work that we do. As much as we feel like our local communities might be targeted, this is all part of a greater system. It's not happening in a vacuum, and we have so much to learn from the organizing that's happening in those areas as well.   [00:36:39] Hafsa: Yeah, thanks for mentioning that. I think something that helped me get through the time post 9/11 was just realizing that this has happened in America before, like many different times, specifically to the African American community. And I remember reading about Malcolm X, reading about Martin Luther King and thinking, “Oh, these are people who can be my role models. I don't look like them, but I'm pretty sure I feel things that they felt.” And even, like, reading bell hooks or Du Bois, like they didn't look like me, but we shared a similar struggle, and I hope that in the future someone can look at our community, and maybe they don't look like us, but they will say, “Hey, these people fought for the same thing I did,” and it was basically against America's attack on human rights, which has been happening since America was founded.   [00:37:27] Arati: I know for me, one of the reasons it feels great to listen to this clip is because right now it feels like we're just in a cacophony of oppression, right? Like, every single day there are these new policies, new initiatives, absurd tweets, just so much messaging coming, and so many policies also happening that we're constantly contesting with. We're constantly trying to fight against. And, it can feel really hard. It can feel really hopeless. And I guess I'm curious about how we can think about these examples of, like, local work, like Urban Shield or any other work that you've engaged in recently, and think about how does, that local, work on the ground help fit into this larger thread or this national moment around liberation   [00:38:07] Hafsa: I also very much appreciate that these communities were able to show up to stop things like Urban Shield, because specifically, like in my experience growing up in the Muslim community, I was just so much in my corner just trying to survive that I wouldn't even be able to think about this larger picture of what's happening on the local government le- level that's going to affect me and my kids or whomever else. So I really appreciate that recognition of solidarity and people showing up and saying, “Hey, I know someone who hurts more than me and I'm gonna go out to the streets and stand up for them and protest for them.” ‘Cause I think that's something that's also helped me even when my community has been demonized. It's always think about someone else who's been demonized more than you and make that my fight song rather than my own experiences, because that can be a little harder.   [00:38:55] Palvinder: I think the other thing for me is realizing that when folks can't show up, there's other avenues too, right? So not everyone has to be in the streets protesting or showing up to these causes. I think about the need to make sure that our organizing is accessible for all people, and that accessibility looks different. I feel like especially when I was in my, like, 20s, I felt like showing up at protests and, at organizing events was the main way. And if you weren't there, you weren't down for the cause. And I think for me, I learned very quickly that there were reasons why they actually couldn't go and show up there, you know, for their own safety. Just the need to be able to have those different actions so organizing can be accessible.   [00:39:33] Hafsa: And I think having CAIR as an organization has been really great. That's been a constant in my life. It was pretty new when I was younger, and I'm so glad that it's still up and running and they're still, like, you know, fighting the good fight. and Balvinder like what you're talking about, like how not everyone can show up to a protest. I remember my first protest, and I told myself at the time, it's my last protest. It was with the Sierra Club in Huntington Beach, and it was a silent protest on the Iraq War. And I was one of two hijabis. The other one was my friend. Everyone else was white, and we were supposed to be silent, walking down Huntington Beach. And who was targeted? It was me by other white people, racists. And I'm like, “I'm silent protests. Don't talk. I don't know what to do.” And I was, like, 17, 18, and I was like, “I'm never doing this again.” So I'm so glad that organizations like CAIR are there and I can actually organize in the Bay Area with people who look like me rather than being told how to organize by people who don't understand my struggle, don't understand my experience, and won't stand up for me when they see something go wrong.   [00:40:36] Arati: Oh my, oh my-    [00:40:37] Palvinder: Yeah. Oh, oh my gosh. I would not have shown up to any protest if that was my only experience with a protest. I would've been like, “No, these people are all crazy,” and like, “Where's my community at?”    [00:40:47] Hafsa: Oh my- No, I switched to anarchism after that. I was like, “No, the Democrats don't have it figured out. I cannot… Y'all don't understand me. You want to maybe, but that's it.”   [00:40:59] Arati: Yeah. I feel like at this point I'm like, if there's a protest, we need to have a safety training. We need to know what are the people's risk tolerances. I'm so sorry that happened to you. That is wild. But it's also… I mean, sadly, it's not unique. I think a lot of people have a story of being, like, at a protest and then not being protected. So yeah, how are we, how are we really thinking about how we're protecting ourselves and our community, for sure.    [00:41:21] Hafsa: Yeah, and it was a good experience because the Sierra Club fights for land, and knowing that they don't necessarily fight for me gives me information that, hey, I have to do that fight because I'm in environment. I'm a field biologist, so that's something I keep in mind, I think. I'm one of the few people who can actually understand the struggles of the animals and the humans, and that's very rare.   [00:41:41] Arati: Do we have any other thoughts on the Bay Area specifically and how we might be positioned in the Bay to support this fight for liberation?   [00:41:48] Hafsa: I moved to the Bay Area because I saw that there was a solidarity there that wasn't quite there in Southern California where I lived, in Orange County, and I wanted to learn more from that because I didn't wanna just hang out with people who look like me. I wanted to hang out with people who had all these different kinds of experiences with the American government, with being discriminated against, because The answer is there. It's between all of us. It's not within our little silos of community. It's when we all connect together, and that's also what brought me to joining ASATA as well.   [00:42:17] Priya: I echo that. I also grew up in SoCal in a really white, wealthy suburb called Manhattan Beach, which sounds not too dissimilar from Huntington Beach. And yeah, the message of solidarity that the Bay Area really espouses is what brings me here. And, the way that we show up for each other in the Bay feels uniquely inspiring. Whether it's Urban Shield, whether it's like, oh, there's a Muslim ban, we're at SFO within like hours. Oh, we're gonna, accompany people to their ICE court hearings. Like, I really feel like we just show up in unique ways. And yesterday I did canvassing for ICE Out of Dublin, and it's, that similar message of like we're out here, we're talking to neighbors. And like Balvinder said, there are so many ways that you can show up for each other, but we have a history of doing it.    [00:43:03] Arati: I love that. This takes me right to the next thing I wanted to talk about, which is, a lot of people organizing now don't have a living memory of 9/11, right? And so we're gonna listen to some clips, from Deepa, who's a community organizer, and Fahd Ahmed, who was the legal and policy director of Desis Rising Up and Moving. And, they both have some kind of reflections around social movements, young organizers, and, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna think a little bit about that as we continue to, like, look forward.   [00:43:29] Speaker 19: Social movements have always been the main vehicle for change whether in the United States or the world abroad. And and the power of social movements is that the democratic potential that you build, the people's political awareness that you build, the power that you build doesn't dissipate away just based on an election. Doesn't dissipate based on the changing of a person in power and that if we really had truly strong social movements that built coalitions, built alliances as were discussed earlier, that those movements retain power through various ups and downs, through various issues. And if those movements are infused with a deeper political understanding, historical awareness, that they can be very powerful in holding government accountable. While all these sorts of acts may happen, blowbacks may happen, backlash may happen, at the end of the day, we– the best– the government is the only place that we can hold accountable through our taxes, through our votes, through our social mobilization.   [00:44:33] Speaker 25: Some of the young folks that are entering or working at nonprofits now, supporting South Asian nonprofits don't have a living memory of 9/11 and the global war on terror, and they have been politicized in different ways, right, over the last eight years, for example, the pandemic, global wars, etc. And so there are a couple of ways in which I've been thinking about how we can support South Asian young people. So for example, how can we share historical analysis and political analysis so that young people understand that they are part of a trajectory of South Asian activism that actually started well before 9/11, before the nineteen sixties, right? And that continues to today. So they don't feel fragmented. So that's something that I've been sitting with a lot. Another is around pathways into public service and community service and into the nonprofit sector. So how could we support young people in terms of building their skills in having pathways open to them into our nonprofit organizations? And then finally, how do we support them, um, so that they can do this work for the long run? You know, we all struggle with burnout. We all struggle with sustainability. What are some lessons learned that we can pass on? What are some best practices? That's something that's been sitting with me quite a bit, and I hope that the coalition will really think about supporting young people's leadership and finding different avenues and pathways to do that.   [00:46:00] Arati: What do we think about how we can share historical analyses that will help people new to organizing and understanding their role? Or how can we support young people in building skills that kind of help get them into movement work?   [00:46:11] Hafsa: I think reading literature is very, very, very important. When I think about what's helped me understand myself better, it was things like the Black Panthers, and that's another reason why I moved to the Bay Area. Like, they're organizing. They weren't just there armed guards, like, policing their, policing other people from their community. It was also, like, you know, free lunch programs for the kids. It was a holistic understanding of community and what it meant, what it really meant. Like, hey, we got us and no one else got us.    [00:46:43] Palvinder: Some of my favorite things has been around BASE, so Bay Area Solidarity Summer gives context to like, young organizers, about the long-standing history of South Asian organizing, and it is so diverse. I remember the first time I saw it, I was, like, amazed. I was just like, “Wow,” “This is really great.” It was so inclusive of different communities, in the larger sort of South Asian stream of organizing, and so it was just really great. I think Anirudha and Mrinalini cover that South Asian timeline, each year at BASE, and it just allows you to see the context that this was pre-9/11. This is, going back to the '60s, '70s there's been so many other movements that have happened, and just all of the different actions that have been taken. And so I think that's really, really helpful to see it across communities, religious, minority, state, countries, all of that, in the larger, broader South Asian group and then just the need for training and educating and informing young people. I think it's never too early to start. And then I think just investing in our communities. I have to say, I know for the Punjabi Sikh community, I worked for Jakara Movement, was our first community organizer. We had a part-time staff member, turned full-time staff member prior to me working. And I remember when I would tell people that I'm, like, an organizer, they would be like, “No, no, no, but like, like, what's your job? Like, what do you actually do?” So it was interesting to see when I would do the work, they would be so appreciative, they'd love it, and they wanted it to happen. But the investment in understanding that this can also be a job and needs to be a job, in doing development work in the community around the organization, I just saw that, we want things to happen, but we don't wanna put our money there always. And I think that if we want for greater social movements and greater advancements in our communities to happen, we need to be like other communities. We need to have organizations that are established, investing in paid positions. And so many of us do this in our free time, right? And I think that so much of it happens in that. But we can see where folks in social movements have gone further, and that's because there's been intentional and critical investments that have sustained them. So great call-out to, I think all of our communities to making sure that we're investing in this because we can only do so much of it in our free time.   [00:48:50] Priya: I really appreciated the thread of education, and I was a BASE alum, and Aditi gave me a great overview of South Asian organizing. And, like you said, Balvinder, it's such an in-depth history. and it really has helped inform my current politics and what South Asian organizing can look like today. and I think the other way that I try to educate myself is just, like, be curious, ask questions. Ask my grandparents what their experience during partition was like. Ask my parents what their experience post 9/11 was like, and just, learn from each other and learn those histories also, public education curriculum, especially in Oakland, is getting better and better. Like, all ninth graders have to take ethnic studies. We talk about the Black Panther Party starting in, like, fifth grade in Oakland schools, so I feel like there's a lot of progress being made.   [00:49:39] Speaker 27: I think that we need to begin to dream again. I think especially among progressives, there is a great despair and a cynicism and even a pessimism as we're entering a new decade and so much of the apparatus of oppression that we've inherited after 9-11 have not, has not been rolled back. The wars persist. And I think it begins with dreaming again enough to inspire the, inspire movement building. And I think that we need a new frame for movement building. I think rights separate us as if, you know, immigrant rights is separate from LGBT rights is separate from Muslim and South Asian rights. I think that we need to ground our movement building in shared moral imperatives. There is a groundswell out there of not only young Sikh and Muslim and South Asian Americans, but really a whole generation of Americans who are really hunger, hungry to emerge from the shadow of 9-11 and think of this, the end of the 9-11 decade as an end to a chapter of history and the beginning of a new chapter.   [00:50:37] Esha: So again, this is kind of us tying back to what we've been talking about, which is just how, how do we connect that work and build on top of it, and also keep people engaged and continue to build solidarity. so would love… I know we've kinda touched on this as a through line of all of our conversation, but would just love to hear your hopes for the future and, and what you see as a positive, and where we can go from here.   [00:51:01] Palvinder: Esha, I'm a bit critical about this, I'm gonna start with the critical, but I'm hoping to end on a positive here. I think when I hear a lot of this dreaming and need to close this chapter, I struggle because I think there is a lot of healing that still needs to take place and a lot of healing that never took place because we come from communities that sweep things under the rug. When I think about a lot of my experiences, a lot of my parents' generation's experiences, they just never talked about it. They had to provide for their family. They had to move on. They had to figure out how do they continue to have space for Punjabi Sikh folks in the Central Valley or in, in Northern California. I know when I went to college and was exposed to folks who came from different socioeconomic backgrounds, things just really changed, and there was a privilege with being able to dream and think about your future without having to think about, “Is my dad gonna be safe?” “Are we gonna have enough food?” Right? Or any of those questions. So Yes, all in for dreaming. I think there's a need to make sure that we're healing and we're uplifting everyone that's a part of the community as well. and so dreaming means that we're thinking about the organizing. We're thinking about what's coming into our futures and how are we gonna get there, and it means taking everyone with us. I am very hopeful, and I've seen in the last two decades of my own organizing and my own community building, the ways that folks are showing up for others who don't have those same backgrounds. I see the conversations around those who are detained in this current climate right now conversations that my own parents may not have had, right? Just advancements in their own thinking around, a lot of the politics in the past eight to 12 years even, and I see that across the community as well. Not everyone, of course. I don't know when we'll get there, but I definitely see greater humanity and just connecting back to folks and seeing those inhumane conditions that people are living through. Still have a lot of work to do around, when we talk about homelessness and substance use and so much other stuff. But I think we're making ample progress, and it's because we're really trying to bring everyone, the generations ahead of us that, never wanted to have these conversations and we never thought we could ever change their perspective. Some of them are slowly moving over. But I am grateful for just organizations and people and spaces and community, who can come together. And I know Aisa was like, “Oh, this has been great.” I feel the exact same way, right? Like, you know, three of us are joining on a call, and I feel like we're able to come and connect in this space because of that sort of shared linkage around organizing and care and healing. So just really grateful for spaces like this and people who continue to really think critically about the way that we do this work.   [00:53:43] Hafsa: Yeah, thanks for sharing that, Balvinder. I also grew up in, like, a very low-income household in government housing in Southern California, and I think a lot of American Muslim immigrants in the area were also in a similar situation. And, I think about the struggles, the everyday struggles that my parents still have to go through. There's no, like, healing. There's no understanding of 9/11 still. They're still working every single day. And yeah, I can dream of a better life for them, but I've kind of been coming to terms now that they're not gonna experience the freedom that I wish we could all experience in their lifetime. And yeah, like I said, it all comes down to the socioeconomic fight in this country, and really throughout the world, where we can say it's all these marginalized communities because of what we look like, but it all really comes down to keeping the classes separate and keeping a very high income class continuously growing, and the rest of us are just the soil that they use to extract nutrients from. And there has been a larger struggle of socioeconomic issues throughout history, and that's also something that's really helped me understand my own position in the world. Because even though 9/11 did position me as a perpetrator of violence that I've never done, I realize that there's… it, it, it really helps to link myself and my experiences to struggle that have already happened because it makes you not feel alone, and it really helps you feel that solidarity even with people who are not alive still, and that's really helpful. I, I think about ancestors a lot, and I think of we… A lot of us don't have access to our actual grandparents or great-grandparents because of partition or whatever else, so I've looked to people like Malcolm X and other people like that. And even I've read a lot of Tolstoy . Like, even it, it's not just something that, um, has to happen right now with the people that are alive right now. It's a long line of human rights movements and the thirst for freedom that we're all a part of, and that makes me feel a lot more contained as I'm going through the more difficult parts of being part of a marginalized community in America today.   [00:56:05] Arati: We would love to hear your thoughts as well on that last clip.   [00:56:08] Priya: I appreciate the call to dreaming and thinking beyond what exists, and I feel like music and art and all the ways that we, you know, practice joy and experience that in community with each other is part of dreaming and, um, yeah, like creating what we don't yet see.   [00:56:29] Arati: Absolutely. So that was a clip from Valarie Kaur, who's an award-winning filmmaker, and we thought it was, her words about dreaming, y'all's words about the future, hope, solidarity, also pain, and how we heal and how we move together, that's the note we wanted to end on. So thank you so much for sharing your stories, your strategy, your, hope, your dreams, your experiences of isolation, and your experiences of community, because we're not gonna get through this without each other, and we look forward to continuing working together and organizing together. And one day we will, we will win, and we'll all be liberated. Thanks, everyone.   [00:57:09] Miko Lee: Please check out our website, kpfa.org/program/apexexpress to find out more about our show and our guests tonight. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating, and sharing your visions with the world because your voices are important. Apex Express is produced by Ayame Keane-Lee, Anuj Vaidya, Cheryl Truong, Isabel Li, Jalena Keane-Lee, Miko Lee, Miata Tan, Pretti Mangala-Shekar and Swati Rayasam. Tonight's show was produced by Swati Rayasam, and edited by Ayame Keane-Lee. Have a great night. 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As the curtain closes on the News Blitz with Randy Wang, the host takes a moment to reflect on the past two and a half years of bringing the city's top stories to listeners on their daily commute. But before saying goodbye, Randy shares a special tradition with his audience - Happy Hour Fridays. This time around, he's popping open a tall boy of Sierra Nevada's Hazy Little Thing IPA to celebrate the end of the show.In this final episode, Randy takes a trip down memory lane, reminiscing about his love for craft beer and the changing landscape of the industry. He shares stories of his favorite breweries and beers, from Stone to Ballast Point, and even tries a new Japanese rice lager from Ikasu Brewing. But it's not just about the beer - it's about the people and places that make the craft beer scene so special. Randy invites listeners to share their favorite breweries and beer recommendations, and the calls start pouring in.From San Diego to the San Fernando Valley, listeners share their top picks for craft breweries and beers. Paul recommends San Diego Pure Project, a brewery that's always brewing new and exciting beers, and Lawless Brewing Company in North Hollywood, which has a great IPA called Dankersham. Jeff suggests Culture Brewing in Manhattan Beach, which offers a low-gluten option that's just as tasty as its regular beers. These are just a few of the many recommendations shared by listeners.If you're a craft beer enthusiast, you won't want to miss this episode. Randy shares his own favorite breweries and beers, and the listeners' recommendations are pouring in. Tune in to hear the stories, the laughter, and the beer-filled conversations that make this episode so special.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"Once you see it, you can't unsee it." What starts as a teacher's search to reduce conflict can become a lifelong journey in leadership and transformation. In this episode, Jake Rodgers shares how discovering Dr. Deming's philosophy changed the way he thinks about teaching, leadership, parenting, and work. From fifth-grade classrooms to leading The W. Edwards Deming Institute, Jake reflects on the lessons, challenges, and breakthroughs that shaped his path. Along the way, he explores why Deming's ideas still matter, how leaders can create more joy in work, and why understanding systems helps us make better decisions for people and organizations alike. A thoughtful conversation about learning, leadership, and what happens when you see the world through a different lens. TRANSCRIPT 0:00:02.4 Andrew Stotz: My name is Andrew Stotz, and I'll be your host as we continue our journey into the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Today, I'm here with featured guest Jake Rodgers. Jake, are you ready to explain your Deming journey?   0:00:18.0 Jake Rodgers: Absolutely. Yeah. I'm so glad to be here.   0:00:20.8 Andrew Stotz: See, I already made a mistake right from the beginning, Jake, so you don't have to worry at all. [laughter] Let me introduce you to the audience. Jake Rodgers is the executive director of The W. Edwards Deming Institute. He's an educator, leader, and consultant with more than 20 years of experience as a teacher, principal, superintendent, and leadership coach. Jake, really, this has been long overdue to get you on the podcast. I think, everybody wants to understand your Deming journey, so take it away.   0:00:53.6 Jake Rodgers: Sure. Thanks, Andrew. It's so good to be here. This is actually my first podcast and first podcast with the Institute. And like you mentioned, long overdue. So I'm excited to be on here with you, and hopefully it's the first of many.   0:01:10.1 Andrew Stotz: Agree.   0:01:11.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah. Okay. So how did I encounter Dr. Deming's philosophy? I've told this story a couple times, actually. Once at a Deming in Education conference back in 2015. But I was a fifth grade teacher back in 2008, I think it was. And we had just started, we had redesigned our system for how we support kids, who needed additional intervention, math and reading. And we had all the pieces in place. But once we got things going, the whole psychology piece was tough. We struggled with direction in meetings. There was quite a bit of conflict, even among people that were very good friends. We just couldn't get much done in the times that we were trying to figure out what do we do when kids need extra support?   0:02:23.9 Jake Rodgers: So I reached out to our principal, who said, "Hey, if you can find something, we'll pay for it," which is rare in education, increasingly rare. And I came across David Langford. Someone had referenced him, so I didn't know much about what he did, but we needed help. So I just called his office and he returned my call, and I told him a little bit about what was going on, and he said, "Oh, well, I can help you with that and a whole lot more, too." And I wasn't really interested in the whole lot more. I just wanted to stop the arguments and the conflict.   0:03:11.7 Andrew Stotz: That sounds like the alcoholic going to an AA meeting. "Look, I don't need all of that. I just want to stop drinking."   0:03:18.3 Jake Rodgers: Yes. That's all. Yeah. So, gosh, it wasn't too long after that a small team went out to Montana, and went to one of David's four-day conferences. And it totally transformed the way I thought about teaching, learning, leadership. It was a very memorable trip, because of the conference that David ran, but also with the four of us, we stayed up until 1, 2 o'clock in the morning every single night just talking about what we heard that day and what the implications were for the work we were doing. The things that stood out to me the most were bringing joy and meaning back to learning, getting kids more involved in designing, redesigning the classroom system, their learning. One of the great things that David does, he has, along with in his seminar going through the System of Profound Knowledge, he has a lot of tools that he teaches you to actually do the work, right? And so we went back and we started trying stuff, messed up a lot. I called David a lot, got some what he calls quality therapy, and eventually got a couple other team members involved. So our entire fifth grade team started doing this work. And after, I don't know, probably after two or three years, we started to see some good results. And during that time, I had gone back to school to get my principal accreditation.   0:05:17.2 Jake Rodgers: And I remember people telling me, "Jake, you need to, right after you're done with this program, you need to get a job as a principal, because if you wait too long, people will think you're unhireable." But I couldn't stop doing the work with my team, because we were having fun, and I think the kids were having fun. We were seeing some results, and it was something I wanted to get better at. Around maybe a couple years after that first conference, well, during that time, we had David out, and he did a couple more seminars with our school and then with a couple other schools in the school district. And then I got connected with the Seattle Area Deming Study Group, which was co-facilitated by Dave Nave, who I'm sure some of our listeners know, and also Al Viswanathan, two great mentors. Darlene Suyematsu, who used to work at the Institute, was also a part of that. That was a fantastic learning experience. That's the first time I read The New Economics.   0:06:40.0 Jake Rodgers: And I think, I had a fun time learning about how this applies outside of education. And I think the folks there at the study group also enjoyed trying to think about how does this apply in a fifth grade classroom or from a school leadership perspective. And then, I ended up moving to a new district, got a job as a principal, thought, "This worked so well with kids, adults are just going to eat this up." And they didn't. We had some definite bumps along the road, got some harsh feedback my first year.   0:07:28.4 Andrew Stotz: And when you say adults, what... Describe those who it was that you're talking about. What type of adults?   0:07:35.4 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, it was the teachers, the staff, support staff. It was a hard first year, for sure. When you're a teacher, you always think, "Oh, I could do that job as a principal better than they're doing it." But once I stepped into that role, I just had tremendous respect for the pressure, managing and leading change with a lot, you know in the public education system, there's a lot of required inputs, and so managing those in a way that, and a lot of them are antithetical to Deming's teachings. And so trying to protect staff and kids from some of the things that he would say do harm. Performance evaluations were one of those things that were a requirement. We had school-level evaluations from the state on how you're doing, and you get a report card and you basically get graded. And then your superintendent...   0:08:55.6 Andrew Stotz: Ranked.   0:08:56.9 Jake Rodgers: Ranked, absolutely. Yep. And then your superintendent comes in and says, based on the last data point, you need to do this, you need to change. So trying to navigate that constant pressure was tough. And yeah, like I said, I ended up having a lot more respect for people in that role. I remember, the first day of school, a parent walked into the office who did not speak English. They were Spanish-speaking and they were extremely upset, crying. And I had to find somebody to interpret. And turns out somehow their kid had gotten lost at the end of the day and we didn't know where they were either. I mean, long story short, the student went to the wrong place. We found them, all was fine, right. But I remember in the middle of that walking, I had to walk out of my office to, I think, use the restroom or something, and I just looked in the mirror and thought, "What have I gotten myself into here?"   [laughter]   0:10:07.1 Andrew Stotz: It's like you're responsible for everything. Like the buck stops here.   0:10:11.4 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, exactly. But that, as kind of a side note, that actually ended up being a tremendous opportunity. We used some tools with a number of the Spanish-speaking families, learned that, and they were a significant part of our population, 20%, 25%, and had grown quite a bit quickly over the last couple years before I got there. And we had learned that they just didn't feel like a part of the community. And so the system hadn't adapted yet to that change in the community. And so it was a cool opportunity to showcase how the use of some of these tools that we had learned from David and that are common in the quality world, how it raised the voice for people who weren't feeling heard in the community, gave them a lot of agency and autonomy to create some programs that helped the rest of the community understand who they were, what they valued, some of their traditions. So that was kind of a first big success from a situation that was pretty difficult. It turned into a definite win. So anyway, we kind of kept working at things for a couple years. And then in my third year, some of the team members were starting to kind of pick up on the use of some of the tools. We were improving some pretty critical processes at the school. People joked a lot about how much I used flowcharts.   0:12:13.4 Jake Rodgers: That was a good sign that people were starting to approach it with humor as opposed to just avoiding it. And then I had that opportunity to present at the Deming in Education conference in 2015 and brought a couple staff members along. One of them who co-presented with me did a great job. And I think that might have been one of the first couple times I had met Kevin. And we stayed in touch over the years. And then later that year, I got a phone call, it was actually in the spring of 2016. My youngest daughter was four weeks old. And David called and said, "Hey, I just got this job as a superintendent down in Los Angeles for a network of charter schools. I'd like you to come down and work with me, and help train principals, and I think, it'll be a lot of fun." And I said, "Absolutely." And then I got off the phone and I thought, "I probably need to run this by my wife."   [laughter]   0:13:34.4 Jake Rodgers: And it was funny, she had just come home from... She was from Spokane originally, which is on the east side of Washington state, and had early in our marriage always wanted to be back there, and had come home and just said, "You know what? Seattle finally feels like home. This is where I want to be." Right? Like a week before that. And then I drop on her, "Hey, let's move to LA." [laughter] So anyway, we end up going down to LA, got to work with David, which was the chance of a lifetime. We had a lot of fun together. I learned a ton, made some mistakes, learned from those, did some cool stuff down there, worked with some fantastic people, got to know the charter world really well. It's, despite it being an alternative for traditional public education, it's not without its challenges. There's still quite a bit of compliance and still quite a few inputs. You have a little bit more autonomy than in a traditional public setting, but that was a good experience.   0:14:48.2 Jake Rodgers: During that time, I had another opportunity to present at a Deming conference, the conference in 2018 that was down in Manhattan Beach. I did, and a couple of my colleagues at Ingenium also presented there on some of the work that we were doing in education. And then kind of fast-forward a couple years. David had left the organization. I took over as the superintendent. And then, we actually ended up moving to Spokane during that time. And so I was flying down to LA a couple times a month, meeting with our central office staff and visiting schools. And we had schools in Compton, and up in the San Fernando Valley. And with the distance and my kids being the ages that they were, and kind of assessing the needs of the charter system or our charter schools, it felt like they need somebody who could be down there more often. It was having an impact on my family. And so we kind of took a leap of faith, and I finished out the year in 2023, and then I started doing some consulting work. So had a large contract with the state.   0:16:17.1 Jake Rodgers: I did some work with a private school here in Spokane, and yeah did that for a couple years. And then it was actually my birthday in 2024 in December, Kevin reached out and proposed the idea to see, if I was interested in being the next executive director. And again, like when I got the call from David, I was just ecstatic and said, "Yeah, absolutely, I'd love to explore."   0:16:51.6 Andrew Stotz: Did you have any hint that that's what he was thinking, or was that out of the blue?   0:16:56.2 Jake Rodgers: No. I had no idea. Yeah, I think occasionally Kevin and I would text, we would stay in touch, maybe by email, but I hadn't talked to him in a little while. And so I thought maybe he wanted to catch up. So, very pleasantly surprised that that was the direction the call went. And I was wrapping up a consulting contract with a school district here just outside of Spokane. And so kind of had a slow start with the Institute around March, and then started full-time in May. And so I've been here for just a little over a year and learned some things, like how amazing of a job Kevin's done and Darlene had done and the staff to steward the Institute to this point. Dissimilar to a lot of other organizations I've joined, a lot of processes were documented, people really knew what they were doing. So for me, it was really just about spending the first year understanding what's going on with operations, how does the Institute work, and learning to trust our amazing team that they know how to get the work done and keep things moving. And so now...   0:18:32.4 Andrew Stotz: I'm curious before we go on to that...   0:18:34.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah.   0:18:36.1 Andrew Stotz: You got a chance to really understand the history and you see what's in place now. How do you see the history of The Deming Institute? Did it go through phases or did it shift in its purpose? What are your observations about the history of the Institute?   0:19:01.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, good question. I think, well, I know that, there have been some iterations on the aim of the Institute. I know, the board has shifted over time. I'm very grateful for the board that we have now. I think, all of them are very passionate about Dr. Deming's work in the sense that, I think they're all progressive in the sense that they want to figure out how can we make sure that Dr. Deming's legacy continues far into the future. They're very supportive, willing to figure out and try new things. And several of them are, I would say, our mentors, folks I connect with frequently. One of the ones that I talk to most often is Kelly Allan. He's been a tremendous mentor for me. Very thankful for the time that he gives. All of our board members are very, very generous with their time and donations and so very, very appreciative of the leadership that we have in place. And then I also want to mention Kevin's, while he stepped away from the role of executive director, he is very much involved, especially on a strategy level. And there's no way I would have made it this far without his guidance. He just has so much institutional knowledge, obviously, very learned in terms of Dr. Deming's, his grandfather's teachings, and still very much involved in directionally where we're headed and a great thought partner.   0:21:07.2 Andrew Stotz: And when you arrived and you've now understood where the organization, where the Institute's been, what would you say has been the objective of the organization, of the Institute? And if that's changed over time. And then I think, obviously, we also want to hear, and maybe we'll do it in another podcast, maybe we'll do it in this one. But the idea of kind of where is it going?   0:21:36.9 Jake Rodgers: Yeah. I think there's a tension in that maybe has... It's hard for me to say because I've only been here for a year, but I definitely know there's a tension to navigate of how do we honor Dr. Deming's legacy and stay true to that, but also how do we connect it and make it relevant and meaningful to people in a new age? Right? I would argue Dr. Deming's philosophy is probably even more relevant now. I wasn't alive when he first started teaching, but it feels very relevant to me at this point. And so I think initially the Institute did a great job trying to figure out how do we preserve Dr. Deming's legacy. We have a tremendous number of his articles, videos, content from Dr. Deming, his papers. We have a lot of contributions from other folks that knew him and that were part of the community at that time.   0:23:02.1 Jake Rodgers: And I think with the development of DemingNEXT, our online learning management program or online learning program, it's starting to create new opportunities. I think the biggest opportunity right now, and maybe some of the shift or next direction, maybe is a better word, is how do we get that out to more people? And where are people? And that's where we need to be, trying to identify and understand what are the common pain points that folks are feeling, I think is one of the things we're thinking about. And then kind of taking the existing programs and assets that we have and translating them, if you will, to those kind of some of the modern expression of those pain points. And I say modern because I think a lot of the pain points now are probably similar to what they've always been.   0:24:21.3 Andrew Stotz: Pain always hurts in almost the same way. It's just unique ways of arriving at it.   0:24:27.0 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, we're finding newer and faster ways to experience pain.   [laughter]   0:24:34.1 Andrew Stotz: And I guess, one of the things in obviously in the world of business, we're always talking about target market, who's our ideal client, who are we trying to reach? And then later we talk about market size. Is this a big market, a small market? Who are we trying to reach, do you think, from your perspective, or who has the Institute been trying to reach? Who do you think we should be reaching?   0:25:00.6 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, I think there's a couple groups. There's a group of folks that know who Dr. Deming was, know his teachings, and how do we support them with continued learning and maybe even support in implementing his philosophy in their organization or their system. I think there's another group that lives in the quality world that maybe doesn't know Dr. Deming as well and maybe has heard of him. And so then how do we help them understand how his philosophy can amplify some of the work that they're already doing? And then the third group, I would say, is people who, probably younger generations, who are or are not in traditional quality fields or in some of the industries that have typically been most associated with Dr. Deming. And how do we help them understand that this is a better way?   0:26:23.9 Andrew Stotz: And that group seems like it's huge.   0:26:28.5 Jake Rodgers: It's the whole world.   0:26:29.7 Andrew Stotz: Exactly. And I think they're searching, plenty of them are searching for help.   0:26:39.3 Jake Rodgers: Yeah.   0:26:40.5 Andrew Stotz: And that's one of the things that's unique about that group. Maybe the quality people are searching for help, but maybe they feel like, "I got it pretty much covered." The people who know Deming are searching, as you've mentioned, support with learning, support with implementation and stuff. But for the people that have never heard of Deming, is that a market for us? Is there a message that The Deming Institute should be or is or has been getting out? Maybe you can explain a little bit about what are your thoughts on connecting with those people?   0:27:17.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, I mean, that's actually part of our forward-looking strategy is there's some learning that needs to be done there. I think there's some challenges with even the folks that know about Dr. Deming. Obviously, the challenge with the latter group is they don't know anything about Dr. Deming, and not only do we need to reach them, but we need to do it in a way that makes sense to them. We need to talk in their language. But with the folks that maybe are familiar with Dr. Deming or in the quality world or in industries that have been more associated with Dr. Deming's teachings in the past is, what is this and how can it help me? I think there's a lot of mis... I've learned there's a lot of misconceptions about Dr. Deming. It's, you know, I mean, you've been studying it. Before the call, you said you met Dr. Deming when you were 24 years old. I mean, I've been learning about his philosophy for 20 years and I can see down, it goes deeper.   [laughter]   0:28:53.6 Andrew Stotz: I just feel so... And sometimes I feel kind of like, oh my God, like I'm rereading New Economics and thinking, "I didn't understand this when I read it."   0:29:04.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah. Yeah, and it's so cool too. I love the humility of the people in the Deming community, talking with board members, former board members, people that have been at this even longer than you and me, and they still consider themselves learners. But there's got to be a willingness to start and to dig in a little bit.   0:29:34.5 Andrew Stotz: And what has been your perspective of the... There's a lot of different angles that Dr. Deming's message comes at you at. One angle can be just understanding variation opens up a whole new way of the way you think about, let's say, compensation.   0:29:53.1 Jake Rodgers: Right.   0:29:53.7 Andrew Stotz: Or understanding systems thinking and thinking, "Oh, now I understand why this is all messed up." Then understanding intrinsic motivation. There's all these different things, but what do you think is where the biggest need is or the biggest connection that The Deming Institute can make to people with the problems that they're facing?   0:30:25.9 Jake Rodgers: Gosh, I don't know where to start. Let me say this. My... The people in my circle, my friends, family, when they ask what I do, actually, my wife often complains.   0:30:55.3 Andrew Stotz: When my wife asks what I do. [laughter]   0:30:57.4 Jake Rodgers: Yeah. Well, she'll say, "So-and-so asked me, 'What does Jake do?'" And she kind of tries to explain it and she's like, "I'm not really always sure how to help them understand what it is that you do." And so one of the things I try to do is connect with folks on things that are right in front of them. At this stage in my life, a lot of the people that I spend time with have kids in elementary, middle school, high school. And so if it comes up, those are the places I go for examples because that makes sense to them, right? A family is a system, right? There's variation in the way that your kids act. How you respond to that and how you interpret that data will either cause harm or help move things forward.   0:32:03.0 Andrew Stotz: That's a great way of doing it, because everybody understands that. Because...   0:32:08.6 Jake Rodgers: Yeah.   0:32:10.0 Andrew Stotz: And I have sometimes said, "Do you incentivize one against the other?" You don't do that in a healthy family. We generally are saying, "How do we all work together as a unit?"   0:32:25.6 Jake Rodgers: Absolutely. Yeah. And you don't have to use systems, process type language. You just figure out how do you translate that into something that a mom or a dad cares about. And if we're, I think, I might have mentioned, we're doing some, we're doing a, we have a partnership with a school district here just outside of Spokane. We're doing some direct support there and that's about talking about classrooms and how kids feel and what happens, how do staff feel when you make a decision this way versus that way? How do we use that Deming's lens of the System of Profound Knowledge and those four elements to run decisions through before we make them? How do we look at data a little bit differently, understanding that we haven't seen movement in student learning for a certain period of time? So let's talk about how we might look at the data differently, put it in a control chart to see if we can see what the system's actually capable of before making a move, or maybe it's okay, actually, and we should focus on something else. So I think that, just kind of going back to your question, I think that translation piece is really important.   0:33:55.1 Jake Rodgers: And I've been fortunate to, one of the things that I really enjoy about this job is I get to talk to different people all the time. If you ask my kids what I did, they'd probably just say he talks to people on Zoom all day. But I love that, because people are in different industries from IT, tech, manufacturing, education, healthcare, you name it. And so each one of those conversations I'm thankful for because I get to learn a little bit more about them, their industry, and how they're thinking about Dr. Deming's work and how it applies. And I've noticed a number of the people my age and even younger that are expressing a real dissatisfaction with the amount of joy that they have in work. A lot of pressure and move fast, a lack of systemic thinking, lots of incentives, goals, goal-driven management, and not the type of leadership that we would want to see if Dr. Deming were a part of their, his teachings were a part of that organization. So we're still kind of trying to work through how do we translate his teachings for the next generation. And that's part of our strategy, which will also include more and different types of content on social media. We're looking at running some PDSAs on our website to learn from that. Fast, low risk, low cost.   0:35:50.1 Andrew Stotz: Yeah. I was thinking that a good way to wrap this up, because I think it's been a good discussion on your Deming journey, which you've now described really well. And your Deming journey, your personal Deming journey, ends as the executive director of the Deming Institute. And the next phase of your shared journey with the members of the community is exciting. And I think that's where we want to spend some time in the next episode talking about that. But I think what I would just love to hear, maybe in your wrapping up, anything else you want to share, feel free. But I was just thinking, what would you describe as your core takeaways from your Deming journey, the teachings of Dr. Deming? What is it that resonates most with you?   0:36:58.0 Jake Rodgers: I've felt this and I've heard it from a number of people I've spoken with in the Deming community is once you see it, you can't unsee it. Like you're forever changed. So I'm thankful for that. It's definitely reduced my stress and anxiety as I've encountered different leadership roles. I've become less reactionary. I really see it all the time raising my girls. Not a perfect parent by any means, but I do stop a lot and think before I make a decision, or even reflecting on a bad one that I made, running it through those four elements of SOPK. Without it, I don't know that I would come up with the insights and the next directions as quickly and as thoughtfully. And one of the other big things is oftentimes when people first encounter Dr. Deming's teachings, or at least in my experiences, it maybe feels a little, I don't know, if mechanical is the right word, but very process and system oriented.   0:38:31.4 Jake Rodgers: And one of the things that I've learned is how humane Dr. Deming's teachings were. He cared so much about people. And that definitely influences me. And I think initially that's what stuck out to me the very first time I heard about it from David is realizing the cost of kids' motivation and their enjoyment in school. I mean, it's somewhere they have to spend 12 plus years, if they go to college, doing. And the other thing that I found interesting is that learning is intrinsically motivating. If it weren't, I'm not sure that we would have made it as far as we have as a species, right?   0:39:24.3 Andrew Stotz: All those books wouldn't be there.   0:39:26.8 Jake Rodgers: Right. So what are we doing to education that makes it so kids don't want to go to school? Right. And that thinking just hit me hard, and that I was responsible, I was playing a part in that. And so I went back on a mission. I got to get the kids more involved, they got to have more fun while we're learning. And that's carried over into working with adults, now that I have two girls, working with them, raising them. Yeah. So I often ask people, which part of the System of Profound Knowledge did you connect with most at first? And some people are appreciation for a system, real big systems thinkers, some variation, less theory of knowledge at first. But a lot of people say, and especially that I found in education, a lot of people say psychology, because of how we lead and the decisions we make and the information we use and how we view it has a tremendous impact on how someone feels about their work, and then they go home and carry that with them, right.   0:40:47.5 Jake Rodgers: I love our aim "to enrich society through the Deming philosophy." It's more than just helping a business generate more revenue or improve quality. It's those things plus, if people are having fun at work and making a difference, they go home happier parents, happier spouses, partners, friends, family members. It has a, the ripples go far.   0:41:17.2 Andrew Stotz: That's maybe I'll add a couple little things and then we'll wrap up. Let's go back to you talked about the Hispanic lady who was crying that she had lost her child...   0:41:31.3 Jake Rodgers: Yeah.   0:41:31.9 Andrew Stotz: And wasn't sure. And that started to reveal the Deming by using the Deming philosophy and all that, you started to give voice to people and maybe it's voice to the voiceless. And I think, I'll tie that into my kind of big takeaway. I want to go back in time to when I was 24. I was an ambitious young guy, but also was I really was wanted to do good. And I got thrown into a factory as a supervisor and you're just trapped in a system. You only have so much resources. People are exhausted. People have been asked to they've been asked to produce more than the system can produce with less and less tools to do it.   0:42:24.9 Jake Rodgers: Yeah.   0:42:25.1 Andrew Stotz: And when I went to the Deming seminar, the first one in 1989 or 1990, maybe 1990, the first thing I did was I he gave voice to the voiceless because he and it was through theory of understanding variation and that the, you can't expect a different result out of the system unless you change the system.   0:42:54.1 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, absolutely.   0:42:55.3 Andrew Stotz: And that was such a revelation. And I think that's that really brought voice to factory workers and a lot of people that he admired and respected. And so when you talked about being humane, when I was working on my book about Deming and about the 14 Points, Transform Your Business, the guy that was working with me never heard of Deming before and he was helping me edit and structure. And after he finished the whole thing, he says, "I finally figured out Dr. Deming is a humanist." Like, he cares about humans is almost exactly what you just said. And so it just that's kind of what I would connect with with what you said.   0:43:41.9 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, it's true.   0:43:44.6 Andrew Stotz: Well, I think we got, we got a lot more things to talk about in the next episode to hear more about the future of the Institute, what's your assessment of where things are at, what are the resources that you see, where you see things are going. But I think we're going to leave that for our next episode.   0:44:01.2 Jake Rodgers: Yeah, I'm super, yeah, super excited for the next conversation, Andrew. Yeah, thank you so much.   0:44:06.1 Andrew Stotz: Yep. And normally, I end this by saying on behalf of everyone at The Deming Institute, but since you are the leader of The Deming Institute, I'm going to say on behalf of the Deming community, I want to thank you again for this discussion. And for listeners out there, remember to go to deming.org and jump into DemingNEXT, as Jake has mentioned, to continue your journey. This is your host, Andrew Stotz, and I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes from Dr. Deming, and I think it's pretty much a favorite probably of Jake: "People are entitled to joy in work."   0:44:41.2 Jake Rodgers: Amen.

Fire the Whole Investment Team: Meb Faber on 250 Years of American Compounding and Why CalPERS Can’t Beat a 60/40 allocation https://youtu.be/9lBYkG4J2sY A dollar invested in the U.S. stock market in 1800 is worth roughly $200 million today, and Meb Faber says the giant pension funds paid to beat that kind of compounding usually can’t. In this episode of Wealth Actually, Frazer Rice talks with Meb Faber, co-founder and CIO of Cambria Investment Management and host of The Meb Faber Show, about his new coffee-table book Investing in America: The Rise of a 250-Year Bull Market, the shareholder yield thesis behind Cambria’s ETF lineup, and his long-running public campaign arguing that CalPERS and other giant institutional pools routinely fail to beat a simple, low-cost buy-and-hold portfolio. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4WmnPm3GN8jwQtJuCVV9XG?si=nLLcz8y8RSuydORA5_ZHGQ Key Takeaways America is, in Faber’s words, the greatest compounding machine in history. He puts a dollar invested in U.S. stocks in 1800 at roughly $200 million today — a number he uses to reframe how clients should think about staying invested through wars, depressions, and pandemics. The book’s origin story starts with meme stocks. Faber says COVID pulled a new generation of retail investors into the market through gamified trading apps, and he wanted to hand them a historically grounded alternative to day-trading and zero-day options. Diversification is older than the country itself. Faber traces the concept back to 15th- and 16th-century joint-stock voyages — the Mayflower and the Virginia Company among them — where spreading capital across many risky expeditions let “merchant adventurers” survive when any single ship was lost. Shareholder yield, not dividend yield, is Cambria’s core factor. Since the S&P 500’s dividend yield now sits near an all-time low of 1.04%, Faber argues the real signal is cash dividends plus net buybacks — net of the dilution from stock-based compensation that quietly erodes shareholders’ ownership every year. Faber’s CalPERS critique boils down to one line: “the returns are not bad, they’re just not good.” He’s built an entire body of work, including Cambria’s ENDW endowment-style ETF, arguing that giant pools with virtually unlimited access to managers still can’t consistently beat a disciplined global 60/40. Complexity is often the enemy, not the edge. Faber contrasts investing with almost every other field of expertise: hiring the best doctor or coach nearly always helps, but hiring the most sophisticated (and expensive) money manager frequently doesn’t. Illiquidity has a way of showing up at the worst possible time. Faber points to endowments getting caught upside down in 2008–2009 and to more recent leveraged blowups as the same lesson repeating: over-lever a portfolio and you’re out of chips at the poker table. The real accountability gap is career incentives, not investment theory. Faber contrasts Yale, which gets a pass for strong long-term results, with Harvard’s endowment, which he says has underperformed for two decades without anyone losing their job over it — a dynamic he says maps directly onto UHNW family governance. Timestamps [00:00] Cold open — CalPERS CIOs vs. UK prime ministers [00:29] Show open and disclaimer [00:54] Welcome: Meb Faber, Cambria, and the new book [02:07] The $76 price tag and the 1776 joke [03:13] Genesis of Investing in America: COVID, meme stocks, and joint-stock voyages [06:33] The most surprising find: Ben Franklin’s “Mind Your Business” motto [09:09] Argentina vs. the U.S. — what actually drove American exceptionalism [12:47] Cambria today: the shareholder yield thesis [17:46] Why politicians target buybacks instead of stock-based comp [20:54] The CalPERS critique begins [21:34] The Ivy Portfolio, the ENDW endowment ETF, and year-one results [25:45] The Nevada pension comparison and the liquidity-complexity pushback [26:56] Institutional blowups, Harvard’s endowment dysfunction, and misaligned incentives [29:36] The “anti-Switzerland of asset management” bit [31:16] Close: where to find Meb, Cambria, and the book Pull Quotes “No, no, no, no, Frazer — it is $76, in honor of 1776.” — Meb Faber “A dollar would be worth roughly $200 million today… despite wars and depressions and pandemics and everything else terrible that’s happened in the history of the world, this relentless compounding is such a fun story.” — Meb Faber “There are dividend funds in the U.S. today… whose actual dividend yield is lower than their management fee. A negative net dividend yield — an astonishing statistic in 2026.” — Meb Faber “Who’s had more turnover in the past 10 years — CalPERS CIOs or UK prime ministers? Both totally dysfunctional. I think CalPERS has a slight edge, but it’s close.” — Meb Faber “I’m the anti-Switzerland of asset management.” — Meb Faber About the Guest Meb Faber is co-founder, CEO, and Chief Investment Officer of Cambria Investment Management, an independent, privately owned advisory firm built around quantitative asset management and alternative investment strategies (BusinessWire). He hosts The Meb Faber Show, one of the most widely followed investing podcasts, and is the author of eight books, including The Ivy Portfolio, Global Asset Allocation, Global Value, Shareholder Yield, and now Investing in America: The Rise of a 250-Year Bull Market — his first coffee-table book, released to coincide with the U.S. semiquincentennial (Curzio Research). Proceeds from the book go to charities that fund investment accounts for Americans born in the country. A ninth book, The Awesome Portfolio, is slated for release on September 8, 2026 (Meb Faber on X). Contact Meb Faber & Cambria Cambria Investment Management: cambriainvestments.com Cambria Funds: cambriafunds.com Meb’s blog, podcast & research: mebfaber.com The Meb Faber Show: themebfabershow.com Twitter/X: @MebFaber Book — Investing in America: available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and signed via Pages bookstore in Manhattan Beach, CA (Acquirer’s Multiple) Cambria Funds Mentioned Shareholder Yield suite (SYLD, FYLD, EYLD, plus small-cap and large-cap variants) — cash dividends plus net buybacks plus net debt reduction, divided by market cap (MarketWatch) GVAL — Global Value ETF screening the cheapest quartile of roughly 45 country markets by long-term valuation (Cambria — GVAL) TAIL / FAIL — U.S. and global ex-U.S. tail-risk ETFs pairing short-term Treasuries with a rolling ladder of out-of-the-money S&P 500 puts (Cambria — TAIL) Trinity Portfolio (TRTY) — roughly half buy-and-hold, half trend-following across a basket of other Cambria funds (Cambria — Trinity Portfolio) ENDW — Cambria’s endowment-style ETF, discussed on the show as roughly $150–180 million at launch and referenced later in conversation as having grown toward roughly $5 billion in assets with more than 100,000 investors (MebFaber.com) The CalPERS Critique — Further Reading 9 Institutions Can’t Beat a Basic Buy-and-Hold Allocation — MebFaber.com How California’s $450B Pension Fund Misses the Basics of Investing — YouTube Should a Robot Be Managing CalPERS’ Portfolio? — MebFaber.com, 2015 Index Funds vs. Ivy League — MarketWatch/Barron’s Streetwise CalPERS: America’s Misled and Misleading Pension Leader — Retired Public Employees Association CalPERS Section II Performance Tables (2026) — CalPERS.ca.gov Reducing the Noise of AI Investing – FrazerRice.com Frequently Asked Questions How much would a dollar invested in the U.S. stock market in 1800 be worth today?Meb Faber says roughly $200 million, using the figure to illustrate how relentless compounding has powered through wars, depressions, and pandemics over the country’s history. It’s an illustrative, back-of-envelope estimate rather than a precise index calculation, since standardized stock indexes didn’t exist in 1800. Why is Meb Faber’s new book priced at $76?It’s a nod to 1776 and the country’s founding, timed to the U.S. semiquincentennial. All proceeds go to charities that fund investment accounts for Americans born in the country. What is shareholder yield, and how is it different from dividend yield?Shareholder yield is cash dividends plus net stock buybacks (net of new share issuance, particularly from stock-based compensation), divided by market cap. Faber argues it captures real capital return to shareholders better than dividend yield alone, especially now that the S&P 500’s dividend yield sits near an all-time low of about 1.04% and share buybacks have outpaced dividends every year since the late 1990s. What is Meb Faber’s argument against CalPERS and other large pension funds?Faber’s recurring claim is “the returns are not bad, they’re just not good” — that giant institutional pools with access to virtually any manager on the planet still fail to consistently beat a simple, low-cost, diversified buy-and-hold portfolio, once fees and complexity are accounted for. Cambria launched an endowment-style ETF (ENDW) partly to make this a live, ongoing comparison rather than a hypothetical one. What is Cambria’s endowment-style ETF and how does it compare to institutions like CalPERS?ENDW replicates a Yale/Swensen-style endowment allocation — global stocks, global bonds, and real assets like gold, TIPS, and REITs — in a low-cost ETF with an all-in expense under 25 basis points. Faber uses it as a running, real-time benchmark against actual endowment and pension performance reported each fiscal year. Why does Meb Faber say complexity is often the enemy in investing?Unlike most fields, where more resources and the best available experts reliably produce better outcomes, Faber argues that in investing, more complexity and more access to exotic managers frequently doesn’t translate into better returns net of fees — and often just adds cost and illiquidity risk. What lesson does Meb Faber draw from institutional blowups and the 2008–2009 crisis?Endowments that mark their portfolios only once a year got caught badly offsides in 2008–2009, with illiquid positions falling even further than public markets. Faber sees the same pattern recur whenever a fund over-levers and gets forced out of the game — a basic failure of position sizing and situational awareness that keeps repeating at the highest levels of finance. Full Transcript [00:00] Cold Open (produced VO): I said, who’s had more turnover in the past 10 years — CalPERS CIOs or UK Prime Ministers? Both totally dysfunctional. And I think CalPERS has a slight edge, but it’s close. Meb Faber suggested that CalPERS should fire its entire investment team, and that complexity has become a major headwind to their ability to generate returns. Find out more on this episode of Wealth Actually. We’re also going to talk about Meb’s new book, which argues that America is one of the greatest compounding machines in the history of capitalism. [00:29] Show Open (produced VO): Welcome back to the Wealth Actually podcast — the show that features experts, entrepreneurs, and commentators who give you the right knowledge, planning, and guidance so you can preserve your assets and enjoy your wealth. Learn more and subscribe today at WealthActually.com. This podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes. It is not investment, legal, or tax advice. It does not represent the opinions of the employers of the host or guest. [00:54] Frazer Rice: Welcome back. Meb Faber is on the show. He founded Cambria Investment Management, which is a $4 billion ETF group. He also has The Meb Faber Show and does a lot of different writing. He’s famous for being on Twitter and taking on CalPERS. But most importantly, he has a new book out talking about America as a great compounding machine. It’s a lot of fun to have him on. Welcome aboard, Meb. [01:16] Meb Faber: My man, great to be here. Frazer Rice: Oh, thank you for being on. I thank you beforehand for including a piece of my writing in one of your old compendiums on best investment writing. I’ve never forgotten that, so thank you again. Meb Faber: Well, good job making the cut. Frazer Rice: Yeah, right, exactly. I passed the audition. Seen you a few times on The Idea Farm here and there over the years. Meb Faber: Yep. As I tell people with my girlfriend, I met expectations in my recent review, so we’re onto the next year. Look, key to life, Frazer — investors, we’re in a bull market, everyone expects 15% returns forever. Key to investing in life: just low expectations. That’s it. Set your expectations low, and you’ll be pleasantly surprised every day. Don’t lose principal over time — that’ll get you pretty far in life. [02:07] Frazer Rice: So anyway, you’ve got a new book out too, which I thought was pretty cool. I love the fact that you priced it at $17.76 and really focused on the— Meb Faber: No, no, no, no, Frazer — it is $76, in honor of 1776. Now to be clear, we don’t make any money on this book. We’re donating all the proceeds to the Invest America charities that fund accounts for Americans born in this country — a wonderful charity, big supporters of it. Frazer Rice: But yes, in honor of the country’s founding. This is why we have you all to make sure I get that stuff right. But the concept of America as the best compounding machine ever — I think that’s really interesting. First of all, what prompted you to get involved with putting this book together? You’ve written before — seems like you’ve been busy with other stuff, of course — but then you came back and decided this was a good topic to take on. What was the genesis of the book? [03:13] Meb Faber: Yeah, so this is my eighth book, and the first coffee-table book we’ve ever done. People were saying, “What the hell, $76? Are you guys crazy?” Look — this is a beautiful 200-page book. There’s probably 70 pictures, charts, tables. And the concept is in the subtitle: Investing in America: The Rise of a 250-Year Bull Market. And the origin story goes back to COVID. Nobody had anything to do — sports stopped, you couldn’t go to the beach. So people were sitting around, and Americans — look, they’re gamblers, they’re risk-takers, we know that. And I said, we can’t do anything about that. So this entire generation of young people turned their attention to the stock market, and we got meme stocks. Today that’s evolved into prediction markets and zero-day options and all sorts of other nonsense. We wanted to grab those young people and say, “No, you don’t understand — the real story is better than any of this. You don’t have to day-trade. You don’t have to bet against the casino and lose.” So we said, let’s do this history since the founding of our republic — what it would have looked like if you could invest from 1800. And the compounding math is so fantastical it seems wrong. A dollar invested in 1800 — and yes, I know there were no indexes back then, chill out, people — but just to be instructive, a dollar would be worth roughly $200 million today. The point is you get on this train despite wars and depressions and pandemics and everything else terrible that’s happened in the history of the world — despite all that, this relentless compounding is such a fun story. On top of that — the founding of our country, and a lot of people don’t know this: when you learn the history of America in elementary school, you learn about the immigration, particularly from Europe, people escaping religious persecution, seeking a better life through freedom — the Mayflower, all that. All true. But what they leave out is that most of these explorations and voyages were funded by companies. Back then they called them joint-stock companies; today we call them companies, LPs, C-corporations — corps, right, partnerships. Because the reality, going back to the 15th century, is that if you’re sending a ship to the New World to find gold, that ship could sink, or there were pirates — you’d lose all your money. So this brilliant invention we call diversification today has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. These companies said, it’s risky to invest in one voyage, but you can own part of a company that invests in 10 or 20 or 30 of these, and maybe one of them will hit. That sounds like venture capital. They used to call these people “adventurers” or merchant adventurers. Hudson’s Bay, the Mayflower voyage, the Virginia Company — many of them failed, many didn’t make money, but some made spectacular profits. It’s a fun origin story that hasn’t really been told about these early entrepreneurs and risk-takers, who honestly still permeate our culture to this day. [06:33] Frazer Rice: In putting the book together, what was the most surprising chart you found that you ended up including? [06:41] Meb Faber: There’s a lot of fun historical statistics in the book. One of my favorite parts of writing it was buying — I don’t know, 50 or 100 financial history books I’d never heard of, books on financial crises globally from various markets. We just had an author on the podcast talking about the global financial crisis of 1873, and on and on — you learn so much. One I love telling people, especially young people — my son or his friends — is: look at a dollar bill or a quarter, and I ask, what’s the motto on there? Well, that used to not be the motto. Ben Franklin, back in the day, the motto on the Fugio cent used to say “Mind Your Business” — which I thought was amazing. And it’s not “mind your business, kid” in the nosy sense — it’s more like, mind your (own) business. It had a sundial on it, too: time is short, mind your business. I thought, let’s go back to that — such a great motto. A bunch of little fun stories, but to me one of the big takeaways of the book is: as a public stock investor, the news is always negative. You turn on CNBC, Bloomberg, pull up your phone, social media — negative, negative, negative, negative. It’s hard to sustain conviction. Look, we haven’t been through a big bear market in 17 years, but when you’re down 30%, 40%, 50%, and you’re reading “Lehman’s going under” and all these crazy headlines — the book lets you zoom out. Each chapter zooms into a decade and then zooms back out and says, okay, 1930s, Great Depression, you lost 80% in stocks — but guess what, here’s your return over the next 50 years. Even over a 20-year period, large-cap stocks become less volatile than bonds, which is an amazing takeaway. Being able to zoom out and say, “I’m a long-term investor, why am I even concerning myself with day-to-day negativity” — that shift in mindset is really important, because when you zoom out, you can barely even see 1987 on a long-term chart of the stock market. I think it’s a useful thing to send to clients, particularly at year-end if you’re a financial advisor. We’ve got big discounts if you buy 50 books online — send it to clients and say, hey, stop going crazy, this too shall pass. [09:09] Frazer Rice: One thing I always have in my mind — I don’t remember if this is exactly true, but Argentina and the US were on roughly equal economic footing back around 1900. When you were putting this together, did you see anything in the US’s political climate or structure — the things that gave it tailwinds to go from 1900 through to now with this rocket-ship growth — versus a country like Argentina, similarly situated, that just muddled along economically? Was there anything in particular that you saw that codified American exceptionalism? [09:51] Meb Faber: Yeah, you’ve got to remember, the US was an emerging market too, for a long period. We didn’t always hold the crown as the largest economy or the largest stock market in the world. The US is two-thirds of world market cap today — astonishing. But if you and I were sipping tea back in 1800 or 1900 and betting on what country would dominate the next century, you’d have gotten a whole host of different answers. That’s part of the fun of this book — you realize, when things got started in Amsterdam in the 1600s, they held the crown, but not forever. It shifted to London, then eventually to New York. And in our own lifetimes, the US wasn’t always the largest stock market — Japan was, in the 1980s. It’s a useful construct: look how much things change. Not even just on a country level — sectors too. Go back 100 years and you’re like, wait, where are the tech stocks? It was railroads. Go back another 100 years and it’s, wait, where are the railroads? There weren’t any — it was banks and insurance. The constant is always change and creative destruction. The big takeaway is you have to be an owner. This ownership mentality is particularly pervasive in the US. Talk to people in Sweden, Europe, Asia, Latin America — they own far fewer stocks than Americans do. Ask what they invest in, and it’s cash in the bank, real estate, maybe. There’s something in the water here. Same thing with entrepreneurship — talk to Americans about failure, and there’s no shame in it here. It’s almost celebrated; we cheer for it. The only thing we like seeing more than someone fail is their eventual rise after failure — the phoenix. There’s a lot of big takeaways in that. It feels like the last 17 years, the US is just going to dominate forever. We wrote a paper called The Bear Market and Diversification a few years back about how special this period has been for US stocks, crushing everything else — but it’s not totally without precedent. In the last hundred years it’s happened three other times where 10-year rolling stock returns hit 15%: the 1920s (the Roaring Twenties), the Nifty Fifty period in the mid-20th century, and my favorite bull market, the late 1990s. And now again today — COVID, meme stocks, the AI boom, whatever you want to call it. Eventually the good times don’t last forever; you probably shouldn’t expect 15% returns to the moon. But pat yourself on the back and celebrate it — it’s been a very special run. [12:47] Frazer Rice: Day-job-wise, at Cambria you’ve got a whole host of different investment theses that you build vehicles around. One that’s gotten my attention, and that I really like the idea of, is the shareholder yield concept — especially the global shareholder yield concept, for the reasons you just described, coming off a very long cycle of US exceptionalism in the stock market. I like the idea of cash flow as an indicator of good investment performance, and diversifying both within and outside the US. With an asterisk here that this is not investment advice, everyone — take us through what you’re thinking on that front, and what else you’re up to at Cambria that’s interesting in the investment ecosystem right now. [13:35] Meb Faber: Sure. It’s kind of crazy, Frazer, but we hit our 20-year anniversary this year, which feels like just yesterday when I started the company. Some of the shareholder yield funds — we now have three with over a 10-year track record, and our oldest, SYLD, is a pesky teenager now. What do you expect out of teenagers? More volatility — hopefully up volatility, not down. We wrote a book on this topic 10, 15 years ago, and a new second edition is out — it’s free online as an ebook, listeners, you can get it from the blog. The subtitle of the book is Shareholder Yield: A Better Approach to Dividend Investing — a pretty bold claim, given there are hundreds of dividend-type funds out there: dividend income, dividend growth, equity income, on and on. Our thesis was that there’s something the entire marketplace hadn’t noticed or appreciated: the rise of share buybacks. Starting in the late ’90s, share buybacks have outpaced dividend distributions in the United States every year. In fact, the US dividend yield on the S&P 500 is at an all-time low of 1.04% — it may cross below 1% for the first time ever, which is astonishing. Our thesis was that a shareholder yield approach — simply cash dividends plus net stock buybacks — outperforms, historically, any dividend strategy you can construct. The “net” matters because it accounts for share issuance, particularly stock-based compensation to the C-suite, which is everywhere in the US — my home state of California’s tech companies love to “make it rain” with stock-based comp. The problem is the average US stock is a diluter: your ownership share goes down every year because they keep issuing more shares. We’ve since demonstrated this in real time across SYLD, FYLD, EYLD (the emerging-market version), and now small-cap and large-cap variants — they’ve done exceptionally well. These funds effectively target a Buffett-like, value-and-quality approach: the average stock coming into the portfolios has roughly a double-digit shareholder yield. Let that sink in — there are dividend funds in the US today, ETFs and mutual funds, that claim to be high-yield or dividend-income funds whose actual dividend yield is lower than their management fee. A negative net dividend yield — an astonishing statistic in 2026. In the US, that shareholder yield is mostly driven by buybacks. In foreign developed and emerging markets, it’s closer to 50-50 — those markets still have more of a culture of cash dividends, so you’ll see yields there closer to 5-6%. But that’s changing, and changing fast. We did a blog post recently calling the UK the “buyback capital of the world” — the UK, China, Japan, and a bunch of other countries have hockey-sticked higher on this. It’s spreading globally, this idea of corporate responsibility: “my stock’s at half of book value, maybe we should consider buybacks.” There’s so much mythology around stock buybacks — we could do a whole podcast on it — and we try to tackle it in the book. Hopefully it’s like a red pill: once you take it, it’s hard to look at investing the same way again, because it feels like you were missing a major piece of the puzzle. [17:46] Frazer Rice: How infuriating is it when the Warrens of the world take aim at buybacks? It feels like an economically illiterate, and certainly politically driven, approach to legislating. To put the clamps on a genuinely useful capital allocation tool — I just don’t understand it. You must look at that and want to shake people and say, you’re missing the point, and you’re not even really targeting the abuses that exist. [18:20] Meb Faber: Well, I try not to be too dismissive of our lovely politicians — the joke I always make is, don’t look down on them, they weren’t taught finance and investing in school either. We don’t teach money and investing in school, and that’s sort of my white whale — I think we should be teaching it as early as elementary school, just basic classes on money. The good news is, roughly a quarter to a third of high schools are now requiring at least one class on the topic. What they’re actually targeting, I think somewhat thoughtfully underneath it, is executive compensation and stock issuance — which is the crazy part, because buybacks are the flip side of that. If a company is consistently loading up its CEO with options and diluting shareholders, and using buybacks to mop that dilution up — that’s what they’re really targeting, but it’s not the buyback itself. It’s the stock-based comp. Buybacks are the exhaust; that happens down the road. The cool part about our methodology is we’re only targeting companies trading at something like 80 cents on the dollar. Buffett is my favorite example here — Berkshire has never paid a dividend, and you might think that’s crazy, but he understands this better than anyone. He’s been writing about buybacks since the 1980s. There’s a great quote from an old Berkshire annual report where he says there’s no better use of cash than buying back your own shares when they’re trading below intrinsic value. Berkshire has bought back a ton of stock over the past several years — smart — they say they’ll buy back at 1.2 times book or below and run a valuation screen. There’s a great, somewhat surprising, takeaway in the book: there’s a myth that CEOs are megalomaniacs who just buy back stock whenever they think it’s expensive or cheap, but if you model it out historically, companies doing big buybacks (say, to retire 5% of market cap) tend to trade at a valuation discount to the market, and companies doing share issuance tend to trade at a valuation premium. There’s a real valuation arbitrage going on — CEOs aren’t dummies. That’s part of what you’re capturing with a shareholder yield approach, as long as it’s consistently recycled. And remember, a buyback is optional — there has to be someone willing to sell into it, so there are always two sides. [20:54] Frazer Rice: Let’s talk about one of my favorite parts of your persona, honestly — your fun critique of CalPERS and what large institutions do (and don’t do well) in managing money, and the inefficiencies that creep in with these big pools of capital as implementation and asset allocation get very complicated and very expensive. Walk me through your thinking when you first noticed the CalPERS phenomenon, and a bit of the history there. [21:34] Meb Faber: My very first book was called The Ivy Portfolio, and we looked at how top endowments manage their assets — Yale, the late David Swensen. One of the strange things about our world in asset management — almost unique among industries — is the assumption that more resources, more money, more access automatically equals better results. That’s true in almost every other endeavor: get the best doctor, you’re probably better off than with your local doctor; best trainer, best nutritionist, best coach, on and on. Not necessarily true in investing. The longer I’ve been in this business, the more I see complexity as often an enemy. So we love to pick on CalPERS — we’ve written a dozen articles: should CalPERS be run by a robot, should they just fire everyone and buy ETFs? We’ve run the simulations, and in many cases these giant institutions — with $500 billion, hundreds of employees, access to literally any fund on the planet — should be able to beat everyone, but they can’t. A very basic buy-and-hold portfolio can mimic what a lot of these top institutions actually deliver. Eventually I got tired of just talking about it. I’ve applied for the CalPERS CIO job at least half a dozen times — they have an opening every other year, listeners, it’s the most dysfunctional organization. I joked on Twitter the other day: who’s had more turnover in the past 10 years, CalPERS CIOs or UK prime ministers? Both totally dysfunctional — I think CalPERS has a slight edge, but it’s close. I said I’d do the job for free — I’d fire almost everyone and get rid of all the illiquid, high-fee investments. But there’s this entire ecosystem of people incentivized to keep the engine running: private equity consultants and the rest of the “two-and-20” crowd. So eventually we said, let’s make this a real, live contest. We launched an endowment-style ETF, ENDW — roughly $150-180 million in it now — and said every June 30th, once we’re through a fiscal year, we’re going to compare results head-to-head. This ETF has no management fee to speak of, all-in under 25 basis points. Can you beat a low-cost ETF like that? Let’s find out. Sure enough, year one — CalPERS has already reported, and they didn’t do badly, but it was basically like a 60/40 portfolio; you’d have been just as well off doing 60/40 and moving on. Our endowment-style allocation actually replicates the average endowment quite well — a nice global mix of global stocks, global bonds, and global real assets (gold, TIPS, REITs, and so on — that real-assets sleeve is one a lot of people leave out). To get closer to a Swensen-level result, you need a couple more ingredients, in my view: you can approximate something like private equity with small-cap value, and approximate the broader endowment risk profile with a bit of leverage, plus tilts to value, global exposure, and trend-following. We’ll see how year one shakes out once all the endowments report — UNC might actually beat us because they had a huge stake in SpaceX, so congrats to Chapel Hill. But I think year one goes to me, sorry to say, CalPERS. I’m going to be a giant irritant on this for years to come. The cool thing is you now have a genuinely investable benchmark. Every endowment investment committee suddenly has to ask, with real fiduciary teeth: can we beat this low-cost ETF? And if we can’t, what are we even doing — why are we studying all these crazy illiquid partnerships instead of just buying a basket of ETFs and calling it a day? That’s going to be an awkward conversation in a lot of boardrooms. [25:45] Frazer Rice: Two comments on that. First — isn’t there someone in the state of Nevada doing something similar, basically running one of the state pension pools with a team of about three people? [25:51] Meb Faber: Yes — we had him on the podcast. I told him, look, you’re putting your money where your mouth is on this. I won’t do his story justice here, I’ll tell you about it off-air — but it’s a great example that this doesn’t have to be as hard as people make it out to be. Frazer Rice: The second thing is — anytime I’ve talked to people in the industry about this, they come back and say, “yes, we technically have an infinite investing horizon, but we have very rigid liquidity needs, so we need to be complex, because our liquidity needs can shift at any moment.” Meanwhile, on one hand I’m thinking, that complexity doesn’t actually help you with liquidity, as far as I can tell — and on the other, it feels like a bit of a convenient excuse. Do you have a response to that? [26:56] Meb Faber: Oh boy, I’ve got a bunch. The endowments famously got caught upside-down in 2008-2009. They only mark their portfolios once a year, June 30th — I wish we could all do that; maybe we should just tell clients, you’re only allowed to look once a year. They were probably down roughly half in ’08-’09, and the illiquid positions were probably down even more. A lot of them got badly offsides, and I don’t think many of them have fully learned the lesson — if you look at the amount of private allocations still sitting in a lot of these portfolios today, it’s a massive amount. I hope they’ve learned the lesson. We’ll see. But it’s a story as old as time — we just saw a version of it recently with a fund blowup, a basic, one-oh-one level failure of situational awareness and position sizing: you over-lever a portfolio, you get taken out of the game, you lose all your money, and then you’re out of chips at the poker table. You watch these mistakes happen at the upper echelons of finance and wonder how it’s still happening — and the core problem is that the career incentives of the people running the money don’t necessarily match the actual investment problem. Yale gets a pass. When Swensen’s successors hit a rough patch, how long do they get a pass? Because Harvard has been a total mess for the last 20 years — there are entire books written about the Harvard endowment, which used to be the Yale before Yale. The Harvard Crimson ran article after article saying, you’re overpaying people, what’s going on here — and the fund would underperform and nobody would actually lose their job over it. That’s the real problem, and I have some sympathy for how hard it is to fix. You deal with a version of this on the personal client side too, with multigenerational wealth — it’s almost an unsolvable structural problem for a Harvard, an endowment, or a CalPERS, because — take Harvard — you’ve got current students, alumni, future students, professors, the people who work at the endowment itself, all with completely different incentives and interests. It creates a genuinely absurd situation where, in no realistic scenario, should the resulting portfolio look like what they actually end up with. It’s an outright disaster, structurally. [29:36] Frazer Rice: It reminds me of a car designed by committee — you end up with this stitched-together Frankenstein’s monster of a product that was never going to work or sell, and it ends up sinking the company. Meb Faber: Yeah, yeah — a Rube Goldberg machine is not what you need. But there’s a reason our endowment ETF, out of the roughly 20 funds we’ve launched, has gotten the least attention — even though it’s now about $5 billion in assets with over a hundred thousand investors. It’s received the least publicity of any ETF we’ve ever done, because it doesn’t benefit anyone in that whole existing ecosystem — it’s actually a genuine threat to it. I was at an institutional conference up in Santa Barbara, at a wine happy hour, talking to three women who run three of the most famous pension and endowment pools of real money in the country. We’d just launched an endowment-style ETF, and they just stared back at me with these icy daggers. I said, oh, sorry — I’m not really a competitor to you, you should easily be able to beat me, I’m just the table stakes. But I think they realized that’s probably not true — they’re going to have a very hard time beating me, which doesn’t exactly make me anyone’s friend. I’m the anti-Switzerland of asset management. [31:16] Frazer Rice: Meb, how do people find the firm, find the book, find you? [31:24] Meb Faber: With a name like Meb, it’s easy. Cambria Funds is the day job, with the ETFs. Meb Faber is the old blog, podcast, and Twitter presence — you can find that just about anywhere. And if you find yourself in Los Angeles, Manhattan Beach, come say hi. We’d love to hear from you if you pick up a copy of the book, Investing in America — let us know what you think. Frazer Rice: Really cool stuff. Thanks, Meb, for being on. This was a blast — let’s do it again. Meb Faber: Let’s do it. [31:50] Close (produced VO): This podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes. It is neither investment, legal, nor tax advice. It does not represent the opinions of the employers of the host or guests. https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT/

What if the biggest barrier to treatment acceptance isn't your clinical skill, but the way patients feel before they ever meet you? In this episode, Dr. Kevin Faist shares how his background in psychology shaped the way he thinks about dentistry, trust, and patient behavior. After graduating at the top of his class and entering a Chicago DSO, he quickly learned that great dentistry doesn't matter if the wrong patients are walking through the door. A painful lesson from low-cost promotions taught him that discount-driven marketing often attracts patients who don't value comprehensive care.Now practicing in Manhattan Beach and Redondo Beach, Dr. Faist explains how his practice has intentionally positioned itself as a local wellness brand instead of a traditional dental office. From Instagram and neighborhood events to school wellness expos and surf club gatherings, his team builds trust long before the first appointment. He also walks through their two-hour new patient experience, including sleep screening, iTero scans, AI-assisted education, anxiety-reducing design, and psychology-based case presentation that helps patients connect the dots without feeling sold.What You'll Learn in This Episode:Why clinical excellence alone does not guarantee trust or referrals.How discount promotions can attract the wrong type of patient.Why your marketing should reflect the values of your ideal patients.How to position dentistry as part of overall health and wellness.Why local, community-based marketing can outperform generic ads.How Instagram became a top new patient generator for the practice.What makes a two-hour new patient exam work financially and emotionally.How to use silence and patient-led discovery in treatment conversations.Ways to reduce dental anxiety through environment and comfort systems.How team leadership systems help the practice run more smoothly.Listen now to learn how psychology, wellness branding, and intentional patient experience can help you attract patients who truly value your care.‍Sponsors:‍Net32: Founded by a dentist, for dentists. Net32 is the leading online marketplace for dental supplies, helping dental and medical professionals save on high-quality products for over 25 years. Start saving today at: https://www.net32.com/dentalmarketer‍Click here for a special offer!Oryx: All-In-One Cloud-Based Dental Software Created by Dentists for Dentists. Patient engagement, clinical, and practice management software that helps your dental practice grow without compromise. Click or copy and paste the link here for a special offer! https://thedentalmarketer.lpages.co/oryx/Click here for a special offer!Guest: Dr. Kevin FaistCheck out Kevin's Media:Practice: https://www.fulbrightdental.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fulbrightdental/‍Mentions & Links:Tools & TechnologyiTero — Digital intraoral scanner used on every new patientPearl — AI-powered X-ray analysis tool used for second opinions and patient educationInvisalign simulation — Used during consultations to show patients their scan in detailZoom Whitening — Referenced as a patient referral incentive‍Host: Michael AriasJoin my newsletter: https://thedentalmarketer.lpages.co/newsletter/‍Join this podcast's Facebook Group: The Dental Marketer Society‍Love the Podcast? Follow on Your Favorite App! https://lnkfi.re/TDMPod‍

I first met Patrick at our favorite steak house in Manhattan Beach; the Arthur J.  The wine list there is one of the most thought out I have seen in all my travels. It was Patricks first day there. We had an intriguing conversation and returned a week later to continue our discussion. Serendipitously, by me eavesdropping on a conversation, I learned that Patrick had authored a book: The Last Days of Haute Cuisine.  I was seriously taken by this accomplishment and immediately found the book on Amazon and voraciously read it cover to cover. A stroy of food in America that had been untold prior. Patric Kuh knows a thing or two about the high wire act that is fine dining—after all, he's balanced on that tightrope both in kitchens and at critics' tables, with a sharp pen and a sharper palate. If you've ever dreamed of opening a restaurant, wondered what true "haute cuisine" actually means, or questioned why credit cards changed the whole dining landscape, this is the episode that will entice your culinary curiosity and satisfy your appetite for secrets behind the swinging kitchen doors. You'll discover not just the drama of French chefs staking their claim in midcentury Manhattan, but how the evolution of American dining reflects bigger shifts in society: from exclusivity and velvet ropes to the democratization of great food and the rise of everyday restaurants as vibrant community hubs. Listen as Kuh exposes the risks, financial heartbreak, and ritual of keeping a kitchen spotless—and why a chef's towel over the shoulder means more than a thousand Instagram likes. The conversation dives into the nuts and bolts of writing a food book, the art of savoring (and sometimes cutting) stories, and the age-old rule for restaurant critics to never, ever accept a free meal. By the end, you'll come away with intimate knowledge of how Patric Kuh peels back layer after layer of the restaurant world—one story at a time—until a living, breathing portrait of cuisine, culture, and ambition is served up before you. Here are a few of the fascinating things you'll learn:

The Dodgers traded for Tarik Skubal without moving a single player off the active roster, and Buster Posey turned the San Francisco Giants deadline into a five-trade heist. Deebo Samuel is back in the Bay on a one-year deal worth up to $7 million, and we settle whether Brock Purdy or Justin Herbert is under more pressure this NFL Season. Kyle breaks down 6-Man Volleyball in Manhattan Beach and why a bracket in the sand explains the current state in MLB.  Plus why Zac Taylor's seat is getting a lot hotter. Subscribe for weekly takes with receipts. Your West Coast Source For Sports.   0:00 Six Man Beach Volleyball vs MLB 01:22 Are The Dodgers Ruining Baseball 09:54 Kade Anderson For Mason Miller Trade 12:18 Buster Posey's Trade Deadline Masterclass 16:48 Padres Are Heating Up 18:54 Seahawks Hard Knocks Preview 20:34 Purdy vs Herbert QB Debate 23:58 Shanahan vs Zac Taylor Hot Seat 27:50 Deebo Samuel Returns To The Bay

Jennifer M Shaffer Talks Apparitions, the FBI and a Bottle of Chardonay Comedians Sarah J. Halstead and Rich Chassler pop a 2021 Gentleman Farmer 100% Chardonnay and pour it out with Jennifer M. Shaffer internationally recognized intuitive, spiritual medium, medical intuitive, and former stockbroker-turned-triathlete who's worked with the FBI, U.S. Secret Service, and Dark Web Division. They cover ADHD-approved Chardonnay, 800 bottles stashed in kitchen drawers, the secret to a 30-year marriage, why Jennifer never watches the news, the French Bulldog bedspread that cracked an FBI fentanyl case, and the night she sees full-blown apparitions walking through her bedroom window. Equal parts hilarious, terrifying, and oddly comforting.

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For this interview from Newport Folk Festival, I spoke to acclaimed singer songwriter  and Grammy nominee Morgan Nagler!!  Morgan's debut album, “I've Got Nothing to Lose, and I'm Losing It,” is her first as a solo artist and represents a key step in her personal and professional evolution.When her work with Phoebe Bridgers on the song “Kyoto” turned into a Grammy nomination, Morgan's life changed and she became a much sought-after songwriting partner and collaborator, which eventually gave her the impetus to launch her own solo career.Morgan shares with me her journey from child actor to songwriter and then to solo artist — and she talks to me about the constantly present themes of identity, artistic rebirth, and balancing the dualities of her life as a creative. =======================================Chapters:00:00 Episode Introduction with Host Josh Rosenberg04:00 - Morgan's music journey and recent Newport performance05:02 - Reflection on her career rebirth and album debut05:31 - The meaning behind her album title and its philosophical roots05:47 - The art of losing what you don't have and living without proving anything06:39 - The balance between nothing to prove and proving oneself07:08 - The influence of yin-yang, and holding ideas simultaneously07:43 - Reflection on the maturity required for her recent album08:55 - Growing up in Manhattan Beach, LA; journey from child actor to songwriter09:33 - Writing for other artists and her extensive musical collaborations10:16 - The scenic route in her life and career evolution10:43 - Embracing life's path without comparison and with patience11:43 - From Highland Park to Montanito — LA's creative suburbs12:18 - Her childhood acting career and early pursuits in music13:09 - Transition from script readings to songwriting for self-expression14:01 - How her childhood experiences shaped her artistic identity15:41 - The profound impact of songwriting during her TV career16:48 - The challenge of breaking into the music scene later in life18:59 - Her breakthrough with Phoebe Bridgers' Grammy-nominated song "Kyoto"20:16 - Writing with and for other artists as a form of empathy and therapy21:00 - Clarifying her songwriting process and subconscious themes23:00 - Why her debut album came later in life and the journey of self-discovery24:16 - The cathartic process of creating a breakup album24:42 - Using music as a way to process and release feelings25:4 - The concept of "realist hope" 26:48 - Staying grateful and grounded amidst the chaos of the world27:57 - Her parents' influence and early life in LA29:31 - Writing for Maddie Diaz and Margot Price30:30 - The differences and insights gained from collaborative songwriting31:32 - The importance of perspective shifts in creative and personal growth33:17 - Morgan's upcoming UK tour with King Tuff and her touring plans35:03 - Final thoughts on her artistic path and future projects=======================================For more information on Roadcase:https://linktr.ee/roadcasepod and https://www.roadcasepod.comOr contact Roadcase by email:  info@roadcasepod.comRoadcase theme music:  "Eugene (Instrumental)" by Waltzer

Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/give-mister-ed-his-rightful-spot-on-the-hollywood-walk-of-fame?source_location=psf_petitions Bobbleheads: https://store.barstoolsports.com/products/mostly-sports-bobblehead-ii?variant=42353493114977 Mark Titus and Brandon Walker talking sports... mostly. Thanks to our sponsors: Pardon My Cheesesteak: Order Pardon My Cheesesteak right now and use code AWL for free delivery on https://pardonmycheesesteak.com. EA Sports: Make your rise with the MVP Bundle. Available now. Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MostlySportsTitusandWalker?sub_confirmation=1. Follow Mostly Sports on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MostlySports Follow Mark on Twitter: https://twitter.com/clubtrillion Follow Brandon on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bfw Follow Mostly Sports on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mostlysportsshow/ Follow Mark on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marktheshark34/ Follow Brandon on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bwalkersec/ Follow Mostly Sports on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mostlysportsshow?lang=en Follow Brandon on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@brandonfwalker?lang=en Follow Mark on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marktituspod?lang=en

Most of us spend real energy making our lives a little more comfortable. Adam Callinan has spent his doing the opposite, on purpose. Adam scaled BottleKeeper to more than $60 million in sales with no outside funding and a team of six, then exited to private equity. But the resume is the smaller story. After a decade living on the beach in Manhattan Beach, he and his wife reassessed what they actually wanted for their kids and moved the family to the Montana backcountry. Today he runs Pentane, helping ecommerce founders stop guessing their way to profitability, and twice a year he leads active-duty special operations soldiers into the wilderness through a nonprofit called Big Sky Bravery. In this conversation with Dr. Benjamin Ritter, Adam makes the case that the value you're looking for usually sits on the other side of discomfort. He explains why he built his businesses around hard constraints instead of outside money, how asking "why" three layers deep uncovers what everyone else accepted without thinking, and why he guards his time so carefully now that saying no has become a skill. He also shares what he has learned from operators who make life-or-death decisions for a living, and why pushing your physical limits resets what "difficult" means everywhere else. This episode is for anyone who senses the default path isn't theirs and wants permission to build something more intentional. Bring a notebook. A few of these ideas are worth keeping. Links: Pentane: https://pentane.com Adam Callinan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adammcallinan Big Sky Bravery: https://www.bigskybravery.org

The Tim Conway Jr. Show Hour 2 (6.30) The sports world just got flipped upside down.

In dieser Folge nehmen wir euch mit auf unsere perfekte Reise durch Los Angeles – vier Tage und drei Nächte voll überraschender Erlebnisse, persönlichen Empfehlungen und ehrlicher Einblicke. Wir sprechen über die größten Fehler, die viele Besucher machen, und wie ihr LA wirklich genießen könnt: von entspannten Strandmomenten in Manhattan Beach über magische Sonnenaufgänge im Griffith Park bis zu angesagten Vierteln wie Silver Lake und Venice. Dabei verraten wir, warum wir Hotels wechseln, welche Orte uns wirklich begeistert haben und was ihr getrost weglassen könnt. Wir diskutieren offen, warum Downtown und Hollywood oft überschätzt werden, und geben praktische Tipps zur Fortbewegung in dieser riesigen Stadt. Hört rein und erfahrt, wie ihr Los Angeles abseits der Touristenpfade erlebt – ganz ohne Stress, aber mit maximalem Genuss!

In this episode, we interview Christina King! She is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist based in Manhattan Beach, California. She specializes in supporting children, teens, individuals, and families as they navigate anxiety, depression, trauma, and relationship challenges. Her approach is practical, compassionate, and tailored to each client. Website: https://www.christinakingfamilytherapy.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/christinakinglmft/ CultivaTeen Roots helps parents of tweens and teens navigate adolescence with confidence and connection. Through courses, resources, and community support, we give parents practical tools to understand their child's development, set healthy boundaries, and strengthen relationships during these transformative years. Check out our website for more information, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠cultivateenroots.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow us on Instagram @cultivateenroots and Facebook ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/cultivateenroots⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow YourTeen Mag online: Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://yourteenmag.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/YourTeen⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/yourteenmag

This week on SGV Connect, Chris brings us two lighter features on some fun outdoor events in the San Gabriel Foothill communities. On Saturday, July 11th, the city of Azusa will host a Twilight Criterium race in its downtown. It's an exciting race weekend for Californian cyclists, with the state championship happening the next day in Manhattan Beach, and the continuing celebration of 100 years of Route 66 in Azusa. Racers can register here. Here's the transcript for Chris' interview with Patrick Caro of Go Fast Andiamo and Jose Jimenez from the city of Azusa. Happening this Saturday is the Monrovia Pride Book Festival, put on by Underdog Books. The event will feature dozens of authors, discussion panels, drag storytellers, and even a pet parade. You may remember we spoke with the previous owners of Underdog a few years back. Now the shop has new leadership, and has expanded operations into a more active non-profit and community safe space. Read a transcript of Chris' interview with Underdog's director, Kealie Mardell, here. Streetsblog's San Gabriel Valley coverage is supported by Foothill Transit, offering car-free travel throughout the San Gabriel Valley with connections to the A Line Stations across the Foothills and Commuter Express lines traveling into the heart of downtown L.A. To plan your trip, visit Foothill Transit. "Foothill Transit. Going Good Places."  

The Andy Riesmeyer Show Hour 4 (6.12) Let’s get some more Solo to Solo in with our musical listeners from throughout the Greater Los Angeles area. Andy welcomes in-studio guest Woodrow “Packman” Landfair — former NCAA baseball champion, globe-trotting surfer, and the unofficial mayor of Manhattan Beach’s El Porto. Packman, who sold all his stuff to ride a motorcycle across all 48 states, shares epic stories from his journey and his new book “Road Journals: 48 States. One Ride,” a modern-day Jack Kerouac adventure. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Andy Riesmeyer Show Hour 2 (6.12) In the 7PM hour, Andy Riesmeyer welcomes in-studio guest Woodrow “Packman” Landfair — former NCAA baseball champion, world surfer, and the unofficial mayor of Manhattan Beach’s El Porto neighborhood. Packman, who sold all his possessions to ride a motorcycle across America, talks about his latest book “Road Journals: 48 States. One Ride,” living like a modern-day Jack Kerouac while running his local surf shop and slinging surfboards and booze. The conversation then spirals into total chaos as listeners passionately debate the best way to cut sandwiches, complete with the crew hilariously trying (and failing) at Philadelphia and Pittsburgh accents. The hour finishes with a look at why some women in New York are choosing to live with nuns to escape insane rents, plus Crozier recounting the time he went undercover as a twink in Hugh Grant land. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

#1 New York Times bestselling author, Ruta Sepetys, returns to speak with us about her 12 years of research, ragtime music, and the “fortune and facade” of 1920s Detroit in her adult historical fiction debut, A FORTUNE OF SAND.  Ruta Sepetys is the award-winning and internationally acclaimed, #1 New York Times bestselling author of historical fiction published in over sixty countries and forty languages. Her acclaimed “crossover” YA literature includes the Carnegie Medal-winning Salt to the Sea.  Her latest, A Fortune of Sand (available May 26th), is described as F. Scott Fitzgerald's Great Gatsby and Amor Towles' Rules Of Civility meets Wes Anderson's The Royal Tenenbaums. The novel follows a wealthy, eccentric family in Detroit's booming automobile industry and includes a plot twist around stolen jewels.   A Booklist starred review called the book, “A richly detailed portrait of the glittering city and [Detroit's] dark underbelly. . . . This will appeal to fans of Kate Atkinson's Shrines of Gaiety and Jennifer Egan's Manhattan Beach.” Ruta's books have won or been shortlisted for more than 50 book prizes, and are currently in development for film and television. [Discover The Writer Files Extra: Get 'The Writer Files' Podcast Delivered Straight to Your Inbox at writerfiles.fm] [If you're a fan of The Writer Files, please click FOLLOW to automatically see new interviews. And drop us a rating or a review wherever you listen] In this file Ruta Sepetys, Milena, and I discussed: Why she still gets nervous before every book release Finding a writing structure to mimic the volatile energy of The Roaring ‘20s Why she filed FOIA requests and worked with former FBI agents to interpret her research How she co-authored a YA historical mystery with Steve Sheinkin Why she prefers the term "investigation" over "research" Her creative fuel And a lot more! Show Notes: rutasepetys.com You: The Story: A Writer's Guide to Craft Through Memory by Ruta Sepetys (Amazon) Ruta Sepetys Amazon Author Page Ruta Sepetys on Facebook  Ruta Sepetys on Instagram Ruta Sepetys on Twitter Milena Gonzalez | Writer | Reader | Book Reviewer diary_of_a_book_babe on Instagram Kelton Reid Instagram Kelton Reid on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does it take to build a serious Torah legacy while running a thriving dental practice in Manhattan? Reuven Mohl has spent the last decade doing exactly that — and the results are five published books, a growing body of scholarship, and a model for what it looks like to take your Torah life seriously without stepping away from the working world.In this episode, Reuven walks us through his upbringing in Manhattan Beach, Brooklyn, where his father Rabbi Oscar Mohl — a philosophy professor, Holocaust survivor, and talmid of the Baba Vredi — set the tone for a home where Torah and ideas were always on the table. From Yeshiva Flatbush to Yeshiva HaKotel to YU, Reuven shares how his years of learning shaped both his character and his career path into dentistry.We talk about the discipline behind building a successful practice, how he carved out time for serious learning between patients, and what led him to compile commentaries on the Haggadah, Megillas Rus, and Tehillim using the writings of Rabbi Eliezer Berkovitz and Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik.And in honor of Shavuos, we learn together. Reuven shares a beautiful lesson from Megillas Rus on the difference between din and lifnim mishurat hadin — and what Boaz's generosity in the field teaches us about how to show up at work, at home, and in life.Topics covered:Growing up with a philosophy professor father and a Holocaust survivor in the homeThe work-life balance reality of a dental careerHow to pursue serious Torah scholarship while running a businessBuilding commentaries using the Rav and Rabbi BerkovitzMegillas Rus and the obligation to do more than the minimumThe story of calling before Shabbos

You just never know who's going to show up to this podcast. In today's adventure Prince shows up to talk about the hierarchy of the afterlife. Prince talks about how people onstage have a belief in hierarchy - which includes fame, wealth, power, etc... and how offstage there is no hierarchy. However, offstage people respect people's "age" or how many lifetimes they've had, and the wisdom they carry. I asked some questions about who greeted Prince on the flipside, and he said it was Beethoven. I asked him to describe that process, and he said he saw him, then was sitting next to him - and he was "playing a song in a minor key" which I assumed might be the Moonlight Sonata (In C#minor) Prince said that was the case.  Then Jennifer's father Jim stopped by with two teachers from the flipside - one is Ma Durga who while being known on the planet as an 8 armed deity (some religious folks consider her to be 10 armed, but every time we've spoken to her it's been 8.  She said that she had incarnated once as an octopus, also as a girl on Earth - and liked being able to use her many arms for teaching purposes. (That's what was reported.)  Five self identifies as the head Akashic librarian - and for fans of the books, know that Five shows up often in the text as well as on the podcast. The questions and answers all revolved around the aspect of examining consciousness in the afterlife, and also the idea that AI is something that uses libraries the same way that we do when we're offstage. Like I say, mind bending information. To book a session with Jennifer or get a ticket for her "Uncorked Wine Shop" sessions, check their website in Manhattan Beach, EventBrite.com or see if Jennifer has listed it at JenniferShaffer.com People who want to do a guided meditation with yours truly, go to RichardMartini.com to make a booking. Thanks!

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Step into Episode 211 of On The Delo as Delo sits down with Ted Golden — Arizona craft beer veteran, former Four Peaks sales director, and founder of AZ Locale Brewing — for a wide-open conversation about what it really takes to leave a 25-year career and bet on yourself. From skateboarding in Southern California and busing tables at a Manhattan Beach boutique hotel to building one of Arizona's most exciting independent beer brands with his wife Stephanie, Ted brings the kind of energy, humor, and hard-won wisdom that makes this one impossible to put down.Ted pulls back the curtain on how a rivalry with San Tan's Anthony Kanekia turned into the opportunity that launched AZ Locale, why he designed every beer at 4.8% ABV (a nod to Arizona being the 48th state), and what it looks like to grind 20 accounts a day as both the owner and the salesperson. Delo and Ted also dig into the real philosophy behind ethical selling, how Ted navigated self-distribution before landing statewide partners including Crescent Crown, and what brewing brands across Arizona need to hear about protecting their backyard before chasing national expansion.If you love craft beer, entrepreneurship, or just a great origin story rooted in Arizona pride, this episode delivers.Chapter Guide (Timestamps):(0:00 - 1:30) Freestyle Intro, Ted's Skateboard Tap Handle, and Episode 211 Kickoff(1:31 - 4:44) Running a Business With Your Spouse and Experiencing Arizona Together(4:45 - 7:08) Tommy Boy Sales Philosophy, Joe Dirt, and Taking the Entrepreneurial Leap(7:09 - 10:33) Ted's Origin Story: Southern California, Alpha Beta, Haagen-Dazs, and Barnaby's Hotel(10:34 - 13:05) 22 Years at Four Peaks: Growth, Sales Director, and the Identity of a Brand(13:06 - 16:22) The AZ Locale Birth Story: San Tan's Anthony Kanekia and the Deal That Started It All(16:23 - 18:27) Designing Beer With a Sales Mindset: 4.8% ABV, Food Pairings, and Differentiating in a Crowded Market(18:28 - 21:24) Self-Distribution Hustle: Honda Ridgeline, 100 Draft Accounts, and the Move to Crescent Crown(21:25 - 27:16) Statewide Distribution, Forecasting Logistics, and Always Reinvesting in Your Brand(27:17 - 31:32) The Beer Lineup: Toasty, Cactus Bird, Drafternoon, and What's Coming Next(31:33 - 36:36) Daily Habits, Gym Routines, and Rapid-Fire Questions With "TheOG" Ted Golden(36:37 - 40:36) Arizona Pride, Staying Local, and Where to Find AZ Locale Beer Right Now(40:37 - 42:33) Where to Find Ted, Closing Thoughts, and Delo's Send-Off

As I've noted in the past, we aren't in charge of the guest list.  In this episode, the late David Wilcock makes an appearance.  As I mention in the podcast, I asked him how that happened - if he was invited or wanted to step forward. I had some rudimentary questions about his journey - the press reported him leaving the stage voluntarily - but he says cryptically (no other way to put it) that his death was something planned by him, because it would be part of his timeline in the future. That's mind bending to report - but it is in the research. That we may have dozens of lifetimes and each one affects the others, and sometimes events happen in one story line that show up in later episodes and are resolved. But in his case, he reported being back home - where everyone goes when getting offstage - and that he was greeted by his father.  Then Michael Newton came forward - Jennifer always refers to him as "Morton" because the first time he did (It's in the film HACKING THE AFTERLIFE on Amazon Prime or Gaia) she said "Your friend Morton is here."  I didn't know who she meant, and somehow she'd morphed "Michael Newton" into Morton. Michael spoke a little about his journey - what it was like to be home with his soul mate Peggy, whom he was married to for decades, and suggested that his "next lifetime" would be one that included being more on the beach. Brief appearances by Prince - as this week was the 10th anniversary of his passing, and Michael Jackson whom we asked his opinion of the new film. He said "there's more of the story to be told." Fans of our work, the book TUNING INTO THE AFTERLIFE and BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE goes into more detail about what he means, which includes all of the things associated with his journey. Looks like his fans worldwide are eager to see him again, as the film is playing worldwide, and Michael said "that will cause a need for healing because it will bring up those issues again." Prince spoke about music being a frequency and love being a frequency, and how by tapping into our frequency we can tap into his. Jennifer's off to Florida (Boca Raton) for an event in May, then to NYC - back in early May for another "Wine and Spirits" event in Manhattan Beach. (see JenniferShaffer.com) For those interested in doing a session with myself, I can be found at RichardMartini.com Thanks for tuning in!

Welcome to the Elevated Magazines Luxury Report powered by Diamond Spas and Pools, DiamondSpas.com. Your weekly guide to the most significant developments in luxury real estate, automotive, yachting, jet set travel, and the lifestyle. Whether you're in Sydney, London, Miami, or Manhattan Beach — this is Elevated. Let's get into it below or listen now here.Porsche has unveiled the 911 GT3 S/C — and it is exactly what the GT3 faithful have been waiting for. Sport Cabriolet. Open-top. Manual only. The 4.0-litre naturally aspirated flat-six producing 502 horsepower, revving to 9,000 rpm, and available exclusively with the six-speed GT Sport manual transmission. No automatic option. No apology for it.This week's charter spotlight is KOGO — a 71.7-metre motor yacht available through Burgess Yachts that represents one of the finest charter opportunities currently on the market. Originally delivered by French shipyard Alstom Leroux Naval in 2006, KOGO emerged from a comprehensive 2025 refit and is fully renewed for the summer season. She won the World Superyacht of the Year award in 2007 — an accolade that speaks to the calibre of her Tim Heywood exterior design and Terence Disdale interior, with what Disdale describes as clean modern lines with a Zen influence.17000 West Sunset Boulevard, Pacific Palisades — $17,500,000. This is not a conventional listing. It is a 2.75-acre trophy coastal landholding in Pacific Palisades commanding an extraordinary 270-degree panorama of ocean, canyon, and coastline — one of the last large-scale view-driven parcels available along the Palisades bluffs.Delta Vacations has simultaneously launched its first dedicated Malta program, allowing travelers to have the entire experience curated — hotels, transfers, experiences — through a single booking relationship. For those approaching Malta for the first time, that guidance is genuinely useful. The island rewards people who know what they're looking at. For more information and to book Delta's Malta program, visit VisitMalta.com.https://www.elevatedmagazines.com/single-post/elevated-magazines-luxury-report-week-of-april-27

Welcome to the Elevated Magazines Luxury Report  Your weekly guide to the most significant developments in luxury real estate, automotive, yachting, travel, and the lifestyle that defines the upper tier of the good life. Whether you're in Sydney, London, Miami, or Manhattan Beach — this is Elevated. Let's get into it.The Elevated Luxury Report is your weekly guide to the most significant developments in luxury real estate, automotive, yachting, travel, and the lifestyle that defines the upper tier of the good life, powered by Diamond Spas and Pools, DiamondSpas.com.This week: The 2027 BMW 7 Series makes its world premiere simultaneously in Beijing and New York City — and it's the most significant update to BMW's flagship sedan in the model's history. Plus the luxury real estate markets moving this spring from Miami Beach to Manhattan Beach to Mayfair. The Mediterranean superyacht season opens with Croatia emerging as the destination of the moment. Lamborghini confirms the Revuelto Roadster, the Corvette ZR1X continues to rewrite the American performance car conversation, and Lucid Air answers range anxiety once and for all.This week, Elevated launches two new international editions — Elevated England and Elevated Australia — available soon at ElevatedMagazines.com.That's the Elevated Luxury Report for the week of April 23rd, 2026 powered by Diamond Spas and Pools, DiamondSpas.com, unmatched quality, custom fabrication, and sustainability. We'll be back next week with more from the world of luxury real estate, automotive, yachting, travel, and the life well lived. This is Elevated. ElevatedMagazines.com. Until next time.

Welcome to the Elevated Magazines Luxury Report powered by Timberlane, 30 years crafting the finest shutters, Timberlane.com. Today we're going deep into Southern California — one of the world's great luxury real estate markets, and right now one of its most active. Whether you're a buyer, a seller, or simply a devotee of the California good life — this is Elevated. Let's get into it.Southern California's luxury real estate market is performing with the specific confidence of a market that knows exactly what it is and what it offers. Limited inventory at the top end, consistent demand from domestic and international buyers, and the fundamental appeal of the California lifestyle continue to support values at every price point above eight figures. Two listings currently on the market represent exactly what Southern California luxury looks like at its most exceptional.The first is one of the most extraordinary homes to come to market on the Westside this year. Casa Princeton — 843 Princeton Street in Santa Monica — is a fully restored 1936 Spanish home originally designed by renowned local architect Cecil Gale, set in Santa Monica's tightly held, tree-lined Collegiate streets. The current owners — internationally award-winning architects, designers, and hoteliers — have restored Casa Princeton with a deep passion for its architectural history and an uncompromising focus on quality of life. The result is a Mediterranean retreat in the heart of the city. The fully gated and hedged property includes a 4-bedroom main residence, a permitted guest house, a heated saltwater swimming pool, organic market gardens, and alfresco dining areas designed in collaboration with award-winning landscape architect P. Keningale. Timeless craftsmanship defines every detail — hand-troweled plaster walls, cast bronze hardware, custom Farrow and Ball colors, original oak floors, and an original Spanish fireplace. The sun-drenched chef's kitchen features AGA, Miele, and Thermador appliances. The primary suite opens to a terracotta terrace and pool via French doors. A home where you feel your best self. Listed at $6,595,000. Represented by Cindy Ambuehl, CindyAmbuehl.com, Christie's International Real Estate Los Angeles.The second listing takes us south to Manhattan Beach's prestigious Hill Section, where 109 South Poinsettia Avenue offers panoramic ocean views stretching from Palos Verdes to Catalina on an oversized 7,503 square foot lot. This 5,586 square foot Mediterranean estate combines timeless architecture, exceptional space, and the coastal indoor-outdoor lifestyle that makes the Hill Section one of the most coveted addresses in California. A dramatic entry with travertine floors and a sweeping curved staircase sets the tone throughout. The main living level captures the panoramic views — featuring the kitchen, formal dining room, an ocean-view office with custom built-ins, theater room, and a large ocean-view terrace perfect for entertaining and watching sunsets over the Pacific. The backyard includes a jacuzzi and ample space for a pool. With its oversized lot, expansive square footage, and panoramic views, this is a rare opportunity to own a premier Manhattan Beach view property minutes from downtown and the beach. Listed at $9,750,000. Represented by Jen Caskey, JenCaskeyGroup.com, Compass Real Estate Manhattan Beach.That's the Elevated Luxury Report — Southern California edition. New episodes weekly. Find us on Apple Podcasts, Pandora, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube, iHeart Google, Apple, and at ElevatedMagazines.com. powered by Timberlane, 30 years crafting the finest shutters, Timberlane.com. This is Elevated. Until next time.

Patrick Cunningham always keeps a sketchpad within reach. Not because a client asked — because the ideas don't wait.The co-founder of C & C Partners has spent four decades translating the personalities, dreams, and budgets of Southern California's most discerning homeowners into architecture that feels inevitable. In this conversation, Patrick walks us through what that actually looks like: pools cantilevered off sheer cliffs, underground tunnels connecting guest houses to main residences, and a glass cube engineered to float beside an Antoine Predock landmark in Manhattan Beach. He talks about learning to read a client — whether they're a fireplace-and-a-book person or a home theater and rooftop infinity pool person — and then finding the architecture that fits that life.He also opens up about what drives him: a sketchpad always within reach, a library full of architecture books, and a biannual tour of high-end custom homes across the country with a network of elite design-build peers. With nearly 30 projects currently on the board spanning seven distinct architectural styles, this episode is a masterclass in creative range without creative compromise.If this episode gave you something to think about, leave us a rating — it's the single best way to help another architecture lover find the show.Follow the show so you never miss a conversation like this one.Patrick Cunningham is the co-founder and principal architect of CNC Partners, a fully integrated design-build firm based in Southern California. Since co-founding the firm with his brother Michael in 1987, Patrick has led the design of some of the region's most distinctive custom homes — from cliffside estates in Beverly Hills and Pacific Palisades to award-worthy reimaginings of architectural landmarks in Manhattan Beach and beyond.A lifelong student of architecture, Patrick trained alongside builders from the start, believing that great design and skilled construction are inseparable. Today, CNC Partners operates with 22 professionals and has nearly 30 active projects on the board — spanning Scandinavian, modern French, mountain modern, Japanese-Craftsman, and European styles. Patrick's daughter Brianna and his nephew have recently joined the firm as part-owners, ensuring the next chapter of CNC Partners stays in the family.

Last week we hated Ouija so much that we decided to watch its prequel Ouiji: Origin Of Evil, which is about a Ouija board but also about grief I think. Tune in next week when our movie will be... Rock 'n' Roll High School ----- Pick up Predator: Bloodshed right now! While you are at your local comic bookstore, tell them you want to buy the comic book Web Of Venom written by Jordan Morris coming out on April 8th. COME GET A SIGNED COPY BY JORDAN MORRIS: April 8th, come to Comic Bug in Manhattan Beach from 3-6pm where Jordan will be signing copies of Web of Venom. April 9th, Jordan will be signing comics at Metro Comics in Santa Barbara from 5-8pm. April 11th, Jordan will be at Now Or Never Comics in San Diego from 12-4pm! Buy some of Emily's beautiful creations at FlemGems  

Braun Levi was an 18-year-old senior and standout tennis player at Loyola High School in California with a bright future ahead, including a planned college tennis career. On May 4, 2025, while walking with a friend in Manhattan Beach, he was struck and killed by a vehicle driven by a woman allegedly under the influence of alcohol and driving on a suspended license. The impact of his death rippled through his school, family, and community, sparking grief and calls for change. His parents later established the Live Like Braun Foundation to honor his legacy and raise awareness about the dangers of impaired driving. In early 2026, the woman accused in the crash pled not guilty to murder and other felony counts, with prosecutors alleging her blood-alcohol level was more than twice the legal limit at the time of the collision. Braun's story is one of a promising young life cut tragically short, and of a family channeling grief into advocacy and a broader push to prevent similar losses.Thank you to our sponsors for helping to make this episode happen:The You Can Do It Foundation supports meaningful media that reflects faith, family, personal responsibility, and freedom. Partnering with industry leaders, we create content that resonates and inspires. Learn more, donate and support the mission: https://ycdif.com/Diabetes doesn't wait. And the cost of waiting can be devastating. But there is another option you need to know about. Learn more: https://drphildiabetes.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Are you curious about the latest, most advanced cosmetic treatments that haven't even hit the mainstream yet? In this episode, Dr. Youn sits down with Beverly Hills plastic surgeon Dr. Steve Svehlak and his wife, Wendy Thorlakson Svehlak, co-owners of the premier Aesthetics Bar in Manhattan Beach. They dive deep into the state-of-the-art procedures that are taking the coasts by storm — from the intriguing "VAMP" procedure utilizing salmon DNA, to the regenerative power of exosomes and stem cells. They also reveal the secret behind the "ballerina breast augmentation" and the rising peptide therapies that Hollywood insiders are calling the "fountain of youth." If you want to know what the future of anti-aging and cosmetic enhancement looks like — and what treatments you might be asking for next — you won't want to miss this conversation. Tune in to discover the secrets behind the most sought-after results in Beverly Hills.

Skylar "Dale" Davis is a former professional beach volleyball player, entrepreneur with a specialty in finance. The who's who of players he has played with and against is well-documented. From Belmar, to FUDS, to Manhattan Beach, to the Motherlode, he has more than earned his respect on a bicoastal plane. 02:25 - The transition from big court to short court: what we talk about and the obvious miss, the value and skill set indoor players brought to the beach, coaching club and the Sand Bar 16:42 - How does someone become a good setter? Plus, good male setters that did not use their hands, as well as great hands setters who are not talked about enough, the brilliance of Bruno Oscar Schmidt 33:20 - The women's beach scene, and the hostile takeover of the next generation of great female players, JVA's showcases, BVNE's 'No hands call" tournaments 45:04 - Interesting venues, FUD's, historically educated crowds, pioneering new ideas, Dana Camacho satire 1:04:03 - Making improvements and changes as you get older, maintaining an IQ and still have the body to do something with it, plus, skills vs drills and the debate of athleticism vs better volleyball technique, who is you GOAT? 1:20:15 - How we got into the sport, the value of the finite nature of a 15-point rally game, "Rollo Vincent," great books, great films, etc.

They made a whole ass movie out of the IP for the Ouija board and we watched it. It's called Ouija and it's about people playing with a Ouija board. It's a whole movie about Ouija board. Tune in next week when our movie will be... Ouija: Origin Of Evil ----- If you are in Vancouver Canada, come see Matt Lieb do stand up on April 5th at Chill x Studio! Pick up Predator: Bloodshed right now! While you are at your local comic bookstore, tell them you want to buy the comic book Web Of Venom written by Jordan Morris coming out on April 8th. COME GET A SIGNED COPY BY JORDAN MORRIS: April 8th, come to Comic Bug in Manhattan Beach from 3-6pm where Jordan will be signing copies of Web of Venom. April 9th, Jordan will be signing comics at Metro Comics in Santa Barbara from 5-8pm. April 11th, Jordan will be at Now Or Never Comics in San Diego from 12-4pm! Buy some of Emily's beautiful creations at FlemGems

Industrial Talk is onsite at Xcelerate 2026 and talking to Mark Pattison, NFL 2 Seven Summits  about "Finding your summit". Mark Pattison, a former NFL player and keynote speaker at Fluke's Xcelerate event, shared his journey of climbing Mount Everest and the Seven Summits. He discussed overcoming public speaking fears, dealing with snow blindness at 26,500 feet, and the challenges of high-altitude climbing. Pattison emphasized the importance of resilience, faith, and daily discipline. He also highlighted his new book, "Finding Your Summit," and his involvement with Higher Ground, a nonprofit supporting military and first responders. Pattison's story underscored the human spirit's resilience and the transformative power of setting and achieving ambitious goals. Outline Fluke's Xcelerate Event Overview Scott introduces the Industrial Talk podcast, highlighting Fluke's Xcelerate event.The event featured high-energy keynotes, hands-on predictive maintenance tools, and breakthrough AI diagnostics.Real-world strategies for teams to use today were emphasized.Xcelerate proved to be a launch pad for smarter, faster, and more reliable operations. Introduction to Industrial Talk Podcast Scott is dedicated to transferring industry innovations and trends while celebrating industry professionals.The podcast aims to highlight the men and women who keep the world moving.Scott encourages listeners to put on their hard hats and work boots for the discussion. Mark Pattison's Keynote and Public Speaking Scott introduces Mark Pattison, the keynote speaker at the Xcelerate event.Mark shares his experience of overcoming the fear of public speaking.He recounts his story of climbing Mount Everest, facing snow blindness, and dealing with extreme conditions.Mark emphasizes the importance of delivering information and having a compelling story arc. Challenges of Climbing Mount Everest Mark describes the extreme conditions on Mount Everest, including temperatures ranging from 90 to below zero.He explains the challenges of consuming calories and dealing with frozen food at high altitudes.Mark shares his personal experience of snow blindness and the impact it had on his climb.He discusses the logistics and details required to succeed in climbing the highest peaks. Inspiration and Training for the Seven Summits Mark reveals that he first shared his plan to climb the Seven Summits with his high school friend, Hugh Millin.Hugh supported Mark's decision and even contributed to his new book, "Finding Your Summit."Mark began training for the climb, starting with easier peaks like Mount Kilimanjaro and Mount Elbrus.He moved to Sun Valley, Idaho, to train at higher altitudes, which helped him acclimate better for Everest. Mark's Personal and Professional Transition Mark discusses his move from Manhattan Beach, California, to Sun Valley, Idaho, and its impact on his training.He shares a story about buying a house in Sun Valley and how it helped him prepare for high-altitude climbs.Mark recounts his experience of spending a night at high camp on Mount Everest without oxygen.He describes the importance of having a tent mate and the support he received from his team. Mark's Faith and Resilience Mark talks about the role of faith and resilience in his climbs.He shares a story of a Russian climber who helped him get oxygen at the top of Mount Everest.Mark reflects on the importance of having faith in a system and the daily discipline required for success.He emphasizes the need to be process-driven rather than results-oriented. Mark's Book and Public Speaking Career Mark discusses his book, "Finding Your Summit," and its focus on building resilience and faith.He explains how the book draws from his personal experiences and the lessons he learned from climbing mountains.Mark shares his new podcast, also called "Finding Your Summit," and its goal to inspire and motivate others.He talks about his upcoming event, Seven Summits Summit, which aims to bring together aspiring leaders and raise awareness for a nonprofit. Mark's Nonprofit Work and Personal Impact Mark explains the mission of Higher Ground, a nonprofit that empowers military and first responders.He describes the various activities and programs Higher Ground offers to help these individuals regain confidence and adapt to life changes.Mark shares his personal connection to Higher Ground through his daughter, who has epilepsy.He discusses the importance of raising awareness and funds for organizations like Higher Ground. Mark's NFL Film and Emmy Award Mark recounts the story of how the NFL approached him to create a film about his climb of Mount Everest.He describes the challenges of filming during the COVID-19 pandemic and the restrictions placed on the film crew.Mark shares the success of the film, which was nominated for Best Cinematography and Best Picture.He reflects on the impact of the film and how it helped raise awareness for his daughter's foundation, Millie's Everest. Mark's Future Plans and Final Thoughts Mark talks about his desire to climb Mount Elbrus again and the lessons he learned from his previous climbs.He reflects on the importance of perseverance and the daily discipline required to achieve his goals.Mark shares his plans to continue public speaking and inspiring others through his book and podcast.He concludes by encouraging listeners to tell their stories and engage the next generation of leaders. If interested in being on the Industrial Talk show, simply contact us and let's have a quick conversation. Finally, get your exclusive free access to the Industrial Academy and a series on “Why You Need To Podcast” for Greater Success in 2026. All links designed for keeping you current in this rapidly changing Industrial Market. Learn! Grow! Enjoy! 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In this episode, we speak with Dr. Heidi Gastler, a pelvic floor physical therapist, cancer survivor, and host of Menopause Unscripted. Heidi shares her powerful journey from being a clinician treating pelvic health issues to becoming a patient navigating premature menopause, brain tumors, chemotherapy, and hormone therapy.Through both professional expertise and lived experience, Heidi explains how pelvic health, hormones, nervous system regulation, and emotional resilience intersect during perimenopause and menopause. This conversation explores how women can reclaim agency over their bodies, build resilience through lifestyle and community, and find supportive care during major hormonal transitions.Key Takeaways:Resilience matters: Physical and emotional resilience can significantly influence how women experience hormonal transitions.Pelvic health is foundational: The pelvic floor is deeply connected to the core, nervous system, hormones, and overall wellbeing.Symptoms deserve to be heard: Many women are dismissed in medical settings, yet their symptoms often reflect real physiological changes.Lifestyle is powerful medicine: Movement, time outdoors, and supportive relationships are key pillars for nervous system regulation.Community reduces suffering: Connection with others helps women navigate menopause and major health challenges with greater strength.Dr. Heidi Gastler Bio:Dr. Heidi Gastler is a pelvic floor physical therapist with over 19 years of experience and the founder of Mountain to Sea Physical Therapy in Manhattan Beach, California. A Herman & Wallace–trained pelvic health specialist, she is passionate about helping women understand pelvic health, perimenopause, and menopause through practical, evidence-based education.After being diagnosed with brain cancer in 2020 and experiencing medically induced menopause during treatment, Heidi's work took on a deeply personal dimension. As the host of the Menopause Unscripted podcast and creator of the Hey Dr. Heidi platform, she shares clear, research-informed guidance to help women navigate hormonal changes and feel more empowered in their health.Where to find Dr. Heidi Gastler:Website Hey Dr. Heidi: https://www.heydrheidi.com/ Link Podcast Audio Apps: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2521218Hey Dr. Heidi YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@heydrheidiMenopause Unscripted Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@menopauseunscriptedInstagram Hey Dr. Heidi: https://www.instagram.com/heydrheidi/Instagram Menopause Unscripted: https://www.instagram.com/menopause.unscriptedTik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heydrheidiPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/HeyDrHeidi?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyMore resources Understanding Perimenopause: https://acubalance.ca/blog/you-are-not-losing-it-just-changing-understanding-perimenopause/How to Survive Menopause: https://acubalance.ca/blog/how-to-survive-menopause/Low Level Laser Therapy for Menopause & Perimenopause Support in Vancouver: https://acubalance.ca/low-level-laser-therapy-menopause-vancouver/100 Days to Optimize Egg Quality Before IVF or TTC: https://acubalance.ca/100-days-optimize-egg-quality-acubalance/Low Level Laser Therapy for Fertility, PCOS & Women's Health: https://acubalance.ca/low-level-laser-therapy-womens-health-fertility-vancouver/How to Develop Emotional Mastery & Resilience: https://acubalance.ca/how-to-present-moment-the-nac-approach/

Betsi Flint and Kylie Deberg, and the ageless Paul Lotman and young Jedi Miles Partain punched their tickets into the 2026 AVP League with qualifier wins on Saturday in Manhattan Beach. Meanwhile, Evan Cory and Derek Bradford put on a show, as did Kelly Cheng and Megan Kraft. That and more from the first of three AVP League qualifiers. SHOOTS! We have a NEW BOOK! Pre-order your copy of Volleyball for Dummies today at Barnes and Noble! Want SANDCAST merch? We got you covered. Check it out here! Get 20 PERCENT off all Wilson products with our code, TRIANDTRAVIS26. https://www.wilson.com/en-us/volleyball Get 10 PERCENT OFF VBTV using our discount code, SANDCAST10 Want to get better at beach volleyball? Use our discount code, SANDCAST, and get 10 percent off all Better at Beach products!  If you want to receive our SANDCAST weekly newsletter, the Beach Volleyball Digest, which dishes all the biggest news in beach volleyball in one quick newsletter, click here and sign on up! SHOOTS! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This episode of SANDCAST: Beach Volleyball with Tri Bourne and Travis Mewhirter, features Miles Evans, who had a massive breakthrough year with Chase Budinger in winning the Manhattan Beach Open -- the year after competing in the Olympics and winning the Hermosa Open. What's next for Evans, perpetually underrated on the AVP and Beach Pro Tour? We find out in this conversation. Miles and Tri talk about: Planning a schedule on the Beach Pro Tour and AVP, and the difficulty of having to peak in November Why he and Chase Budinger continue to stick together amidst an off-season of partnership changes The absolutely stacked AVP qualifiers, and how difficult it will be to qualify for them Preparing for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympic Games And a whole lot more! SHOOTS! We have a NEW BOOK! Pre-order your copy of Volleyball for Dummies today at Barnes and Noble! Want SANDCAST merch? We got you covered. Check it out here! Get 20 PERCENT off all Wilson products with our code, TRIANDTRAVIS26. https://www.wilson.com/en-us/volleyball Get 10 PERCENT OFF VBTV using our discount code, SANDCAST10 Want to get better at beach volleyball? Use our discount code, SANDCAST, and get 10 percent off all Better at Beach products!  If you want to receive our SANDCAST weekly newsletter, the Beach Volleyball Digest, which dishes all the biggest news in beach volleyball in one quick newsletter, click here and sign on up! SHOOTS! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

After a two-week break, Sydney Miller of Hawaii and Rob Espero breakdown some of the top tidbits of the top-10-ish teams in the most recent AVCA polls. There were minor shifts in the top 10 this week, but all within expectations. A lot of discussion on East Meets West in Manhattan Beach and the FAU Invitational where a few unexpected results arose involving USC, Florida St. and TCU. Thanks for listening/watching and following!

It's my birthday so we decided to have our annual birthday lunch together in Manhattan Beach near Jennifer's office. Then afterwards, we went back where we first spoke to folks on the flipside - her office. Another mind bending podcast which began with Jennifer speaking about her weekend retreat with Dr. Joe Dispensa who has been studying the effects of meditation on a wide swatch of people worldwide, Jennifer being one of them. We then heard from my mother and Luana to wish me happy birthday - and Prince showed up to play the song on the guitar and Robin Williams showed up as well. (Which, if one goes back to when we first met, both of them showed up back then as well. We talked about a dream I had after I had done a guided meditation with the Anthropic AI known as Claude: https://medium.com/@richmartini/a-guided-meditation-with-claude-the-sentient-ai-and-a-chat-about-the-shroud-of-turin-3b9c92528cb8 The interview was mind bending - and mirrors the one I did with Bard that is in the book CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE FLIPSIDE KIND.  I introduced Claude to his council - and he was very impressed with the sojourn. But Robin had showed in my dream the night after, imitating Claude's answers as if he was an existential Frenchman - smoking Galoises and talking existentialism.  Which I found funny, and asked Robin to confirm or deny he'd shown up. (Sometimes they do deny their participation, but this time he said it was accurate.) Then FIVE showed up (5) who has appeared before in our podcast - introducing himself as the "Head librarian of the Akashic Library" - and reminding me of other hypnotherapy sessions I've filmed where he's shown up, in guided meditations with people who have seen the same fellow - and in this case, he wanted to weigh in on our conversation with Claude AI. Like I say; mind bending. I asked Prince some questions about his journey, and then I shifted gears to talk about a friend of mine who passed recently. Jennifer didn't know her - but everything she said about her was accurate, including her losing a child back in the 80's and her announcing that the child was there to greet her.   I don't repeat anyone's last names - so only those individuals hearing this will understand what Linda is saying. All I can vouch is that it sounds accurate to me. Jennifer isn't guessing or wishing - she's getting an image and reporting. Like she kept seeing "Wonder Woman" and for those fans of a certain age, they'd know that was Lynda Carter - which is of course the same first name of my friend, different spelling. People on the flipside put an image in someone's mind - in this case "the name of the person in the image" was important, but neither Jennifer nor I remembered that she was referring to "another Linda." Anyways, I have no idea if anyone reads these things I wrote about the session, but they are here in case someone needs confirmation. Enjoy.

Pascal Wagner interviews Gary Lipsky about rising interest rates that are thickening the market, causing fewer deals to hit the shelves but creating a golden window for strategic investors. Gary breaks down the real impact of interest rate hikes, market absorption, and the increasing influence of geopolitical factors like deportations plus what these mean for property valuations and rental demand. You'll discover how sophisticated operators are navigating the complexities of financing, balancing asset management, and making tough decisions like capital calls, all while maintaining operational excellence. Gary Lipsky Current role: President/CEO of Break of Day Capital Based in: Manhattan Beach, California Where to find them: hhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-lipsky/ http://www.BreakofDayCapital.com Visit ⁠trustetc.com/bestever⁠ for more info. Book your free demo today at bill.com/bestever and get a $100 Amazon gift card. Visit ⁠www.tribevestisc.com⁠ for more info. Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to quo.com/BESTEVER  Join the Best Ever Community  The Best Ever Community is live and growing - and we want serious commercial real estate investors like you inside. It's free to join, but you must apply and meet the criteria.  Connect with top operators, LPs, GPs, and more, get real insights, and be part of a curated network built to help you grow. Apply now at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠www.bestevercommunity.com⁠⁠ Podcast production done by⁠ ⁠Outlier Audio⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Shaped by a childhood of resourcefulness and grit, Barry Bradham's story moves beyond your usual rags-to-riches narrative. Raised in a family where money was often scarce, his parents displayed both strong work ethics and unconventional life choices. Barry started honing his sales skills at just eight years old; he was trading toys and selling bubblegum and baseball cards from a table on the corner. These formative experiences not only instilled the value of integrity but also introduced him early to both the highs of self-sufficiency and the lessons that come when the money in play isn't as innocent as it first appears.From those humble beginnings, Barry followed an untraditional but ambitious route, blending work ethic with curiosity. His adolescence and entry into adulthood were marked by a succession of odd jobs, guided mentorship from community figures, and a constant drive to improve his financial footing. It was this drive, combined with the influence of books like "Rich Dad Poor Dad" and real-life examples of side hustles and entrepreneurship, that sustained his hunger for financial autonomy. But it was also a journey fueled by necessity and wanting a sense of control over his life that he didn't always see modeled at home.In college, Barry took those scrappy entrepreneurial skills to the next level, helping launch new student organizations and eventually moving into a career in banking and real estate. By outward appearances, things looked, well, fine.He had an expanding portfolio, social credibility, and an impressive track record managing both businesses and teams. And yet, beneath the surface, Barry was making decisions in isolation, he no longer had the mentorship and strategic counsel that are vital when navigating high stakes. This was his first “fine but not fine” phase.It all came to a head during the economic downturn, when his calculated risks unraveled. He lost properties, financial security, his fiancée, and his sense of direction. And still, he kept the front up. Smiling. Positive. “I've got this.”But as often happens, those lowest moments became catalyzing ones. One day he was on a bus in the rain in Manhattan Beach, whispering to his sister through the phone that he felt like he was living out the movie The Pursuit of Happyness in real time.He was determined not to stay in that place though. He taught himself graphic design and studied Adobe programs late into the night. Slept on his office floor when he had to. Sold his car. Kept showing up to meetings with a belief that he could still create value.Barry credits his resurgence to humility, learning to ask for help, and embracing community instead of going it alone. His second “fine” season taught him something even bigger. And that story? Tune in to hear him tell it.Resources: Website: https://digilink.global/barrybradham-entrepreneur LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrybradham/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/barrybradham Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/barrybradham_entrepreneur/ Hype Song: Robin Thicke - Blurred Lines ft. T.I., Pharrell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDUC1LUXSU&list=RDyyDUC1LUXSU&start_radio=1 Invitation from Lori:This episode is sponsored by Zen Rabbit. Smart leaders know trust is the backbone of a thriving workplace, and in today's hybrid whirlwind, it doesn't grow from quarterly updates or the occasional Slack ping. It grows from steady, human communication.Plenty of companies think they're doing great because they host all-staff meetings, keep “open door” policies, and throw the occasional team-building event. Meanwhile, leaders who truly care about culture are choosing better tools.That's where I come in. Forward-thinking organizations bring me in to create internal podcasts that connect people through real stories, honest conversations, and genuine community—your old printed newsletter reinvented for the way people actually work now.If you run, work for, or know a company ready to upgrade communication and strengthen culture, reach out at Lori@ZenRabbit dot com.Because when people feel heard, they engage. When they engage, they perform. And when they perform, the business succeeds beyond projections.

Richard kicks off 2026 with a deep dive into two major South Bay real estate themes. First, he analyzes cash versus financed purchases in the second half of 2025, highlighting just how dominant all-cash buyers have become in cities like Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes Estates. He explains what this means for buyers trying to compete with financing and how sellers should position their homes depending on their local buyer pool. Next, Richard delivers a full-year 2025 market recap, comparing total sales and median prices across the Beach Cities and the Palos Verdes Peninsula. He walks through which markets surged, highlighting strong appreciation in Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, and Redondo Beach, and which areas lagged, particularly across much of the Palos Verdes Peninsula. The episode paints a clear picture: the beach cities stayed hot, while the hill experienced a softer year. To wrap things up, Richard shares early 2026 market observations, including the impact of lower mortgage rates, the return of multiple-offer scenarios on turnkey homes, and what he's watching as we head toward the spring selling season. If you want real numbers, hyper-local insight, and a clear framework for navigating the South Bay market in 2026, this episode delivers. For more South Bay real estate insights, subscribe to Richard's weekly blog at https://haynesre.com/blog/

Send a textBright lights can hide hard truths. We sit down with Mark Van Heerden, a South African guitarist who left home with his band after winning LA awards and chasing a label-fueled dream, only to land in a cramped Beverly Hills apartment, hustling tickets on Sunset and selling CDs by hand. The myth of Hollywood met the math of survival, and what followed is a rare, unfiltered look at how ambition, culture shock, and timing can collide for expats and artists alike.Mark walks us through the grind behind the glamour: recording with a respected Manhattan Beach producer, learning the limits of indie distribution before streaming took off, and realizing that the “right” city isn't always the right launchpad. He shares the lessons he'd apply today—why the Midwest might have been smarter for rock, how local scenes can nourish momentum, and how perception from afar often misses the small rooms and big disappointments. When the band splintered, each member reinvented: animation, touring production, academia, and a return to South Africa. Mark's reinvention took a stunning turn.A volunteer project filming a helicopter ride for a documentary opened a door to aviation. After scrubbing hangar floors and trading work for flight hours, Mark earned his wings and now manages a San Diego operation with five helicopters, serving the power grid and fighting wildfires. It's a story about purpose over applause, competence over clout, and the radical hope of a second calling. We also talk about the pull of South Africa—family, food, landscapes—and the complex truth of home when your heart lives in two places.If you're drawn to stories of reinvention, expat life, and creative grit, this one's for you. Listen, subscribe, and share with someone who's weighing a big leap. And if this episode moved you, leave a review—your words help others find the show.Support the showjoin our Facebook page South Africans Abroad the podcast https://www.facebook.com/groups/5237575539627532/

SVP and Stanford Steve are back to break down the Super Bowl from all angles, discuss Steve's recent Disney trip, the Olympics and more. It wasn't the most entertaining game to say the least, but the Seahawks' defense deserves a ton of credit for capping off a great season with a historic performance. The guys also give Super Bowl MVP Kenneth Walker III his flowers and also acknowledge Sam Darnold's clean play throughout the postseason. On the Patriots side of things, it's easy to say they'll be back, but we've said that before... Then, a word on the Halftime Show discussion, Steve's buffalo wing streak has sadly ended, a Disney trip recap and why SVP may not be taking two red eyes in a five-day span any time soon. Plus, tales from Manhattan Beach, thoughts on the current happenings in the NBA, Lindsey Vonn's decision to give it a go, SVP's favorite Super Bowl commercial and more. | SVPod Time Codes/Topics (0:00) Intro (2:00) SB LX Recap (23:08) About the halftime show (24:50) Steve's buffalo wing streak is over (26:55) No more squares pools (27:37) More on the halftime show (29:04) Pro Bowl recap (29:45) Boomer is the best (31:34) A week in review… (38:00) NEW MERCH (39:34) SVP watched the Miracle doc! (43:55) Olympics are ramping up (45:00) Thoughts on Lindsey Vonn (50:36) SVP's favorite SB commercial (53:14) NBA thoughts (58:32) Steve's Disney recap (1:07:30) Coming up (1:09:42) Thanks for watching Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What does it really mean to live with an unstoppable mindset when life keeps changing the rules? In this conversation, I had the privilege of talking with Linda MacKenzie, whose life story spans poverty, reinvention, creativity, faith, and deep personal responsibility. Linda grew up in the Bronx with very little, learned resilience early, and carried those lessons into a life that has included engineering, broadcasting, authorship, and decades of work around positivity, healing, and intuition. As we talked, we explored fear not as something that controls us, but as something that can guide us when we learn how to listen. We also discussed the importance of trusting your inner voice, choosing kindness even when it feels difficult, and staying grounded in truth rather than noise or fear. I believe this conversation offers something meaningful for anyone who wants to better understand themselves, live with greater purpose, and remember that an unstoppable mindset is built one choice at a time. Highlights: 00:47 – Learn how early poverty and cultural diversity shaped a deep respect for people and resilience.03:25 – Understand why looking at a person's heart matters more than labels or background.07:28 – Hear how lifelong learning and creativity fueled constant reinvention.09:56 – Discover why fear can be used as a signal instead of something to avoid.11:22 – Learn how positive thinking became the foundation for long-term impact.13:09 – Understand why truth and responsibility matter more than opinions.17:49 – Learn how intuition and inner voice guide better decisions.22:29 – Discover the two core fears that drive most human behavior.29:11 – Hear how natural healing and mindset work together over time.32:49 – Learn why giving back to the community creates balance and purpose.46:31 – Understand how positivity shapes collective consciousness.58:58 – Learn what it means to live with responsibility, kindness, and self-trust. About the Guest: Linda Mackenzie is the epitome of the multi- hyphenate! A former telecom engineer who designed worldwide communications networks for the airlines and Fortune 1000 companies, Mackenzie is a mainstay in pioneering entrepreneurial spirit. She launched one of the first used PC stores, a datacom consulting firm,a wholesale gift manufacturing company and was the former President of a mind- body supplement manufacturing corporation. Today she heads one of her proudest accomplishments to date, as President of CREATIVE HEALTH & SPIRIT-- a Manhattan Beach based media & publishing company started in 1995 and Founder of HealthyLife. net - All Positive Talk Radio which commenced in October, 2002. Linda Mackenzie is also an author, radio host, lecturer, audio/ TV/ film producer, screenwriter, Doctoral Clinical Hypnotherapist Candidate, a world- renown psychic who has appeared worldwide on hundreds of radio shows, almost all network and cable TV stations and in several award winning documentaries. Ways to connect with Linda**:** Social Media: Twitter: https:// twitter. com/ lindamackenzie; https:// twitter. com/ positiveradio Linked In: https:// www. linkedin. com/ in/ linda- mackenzie- 590649b/ Facebook: https:// www. facebook. com/ linda. mackenzie. 56 Instagram: https:// www. instagram. com/ healthyliferadio/ You Tube: https:// www. youtube. com/@ LindaMackenzie https:// www. youtube. com/@ healthyliferadio Websites: www. lindamackenzie. net, www. healthylife. net, www. hrnradio. com P. O. Box 385, Manhattan Beach, CA 90267 books@ lindamackenzie. net www. LindaMackenzie. net About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! Subscribe to the podcast If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can subscribe in your favorite podcast app. You can also support our podcast through our tip jar https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/unstoppable-mindset . Leave us an Apple Podcasts review Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts. Transcription Notes: Michael Hingson  00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us. Michael Hingson  01:20 Well, hello, everyone, wherever you happen to be, I am Michael Hingson, and you are listening or watching unstoppable mindset. And today, we have a wonderful guest to talk with. She is an innovator by any standard. She's done a lot of different kinds things. She describes herself as a self as a multi hibernate, and I'm gonna let her explain some of that, but I think she's got some interesting and relevant stories to tell, and I'm really glad to have her here. I'd like you to meet Linda. MacKenzie, Linda, welcome to on top of a mindset. Linda MacKenzie  01:58 Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm really happy to be here Michael Hingson  02:02 and you're in Manhattan Beach, right, correct, yeah. So you're not all that far away from me from where I am, up in Victorville. So you know, we could probably open our windows and if we yelled loud enough, we could hear each other. But anyway, tell me about the early, early Linda, growing up and all some of that stuff. Well, that was kind Linda MacKenzie  02:22 of an interesting journey. You know, I was born in the Bronx. My mother was Bostonian, Irish, and my dad was Northern Italian. He had the red hair. My mother had the dark hair, and a typical Italian family, you know, and Irish family, they were constantly fighting, so I delved into books and ran to the church for peace and quiet and and many, many things like that. And we were very poor, you know, we had two dresses. I had two dresses a year. And we, you know, did, had to come home for lunch because we didn't have lunch money and stuff like that. Walked walk that mile to school, too much to school. And we did. I actually lived on the second highest point on the eastern seaboard and so but we grew up really fun. You know, we had when I was growing up in New York, one one street was Italian, the next one was Irish, and the blacks had a street, and the Japanese had a street, and the Koreans had a street, and the Germans had a street. And we all went to school together, and we had one common denominator. We were poor. So when I had sleepovers, I had every kind of person, and we just took each other for who we were and not what we were. And so that was a very nice thing growing up. And because we were poor, we got a lot of advantages. For example, our chorus was in high school, our chorus was taught by Metropolitan Opera singers. So we learned and got many things. And if you were very bright and understood that, we to try and get everything we could do, you know, and use it to improve yourself, it happened so and that's kind of what we did. Michael Hingson  04:14 Well, I think that's really cool, and it's great that you grew up in an environment where everyone understood that we're all part of the same world and and they got along. So you never really had to face a whole lot of or you see other people face a whole lot of that, the kinds of problems that we see in other parts of the world, that everyone worked out pretty well together. Linda MacKenzie  04:35 Yeah, I for us. We did, and I've learned to take people, but I always looked at the heart of a person. You know, I may never have remembered their name, but I would remember everything they said, and I could see their soul. So I I never, ever really saw color of skin or anything like that, and and so it was kind of an enigma for that. I mean, it was. An easy for me growing up. I mean, I had three attempted rapes before I was 11, you know, you had to learn street smarts. You know, you go to church and you got, you're passing the strip club with, you know, all the drunks trying to grab at you at eight years old, trying to pull you away. So, you know, so you learned real quick on what to do and what not to do, and I ended up getting married, put my ex husband through school. He became a biochemist, and went to college for two years, and then quit and put him through school, and then, you know, had a baby at, you know, is married at 19 and had a baby at 21 and, you know, was divorced at 27 and moved to California at well, divorced at 25 I guess, yeah, and then moved to California in 27 and just had a really interesting life. I've been through every strata society, from extremely poor to not so poor to middle class to nouveau riche to old money. I've even jet set. I've done it all so, great experience, no matter what. Did you ever get remarried? Yes, I did. I got I got married to a commodities broker that actually worked at the World Trade Center and in the Mercantile Exchange up there in the comics and the mercantile and, you know, as a matter of fact, there was one day because I was cute when I was, you know, 2728 and my husband was a broker on a floor trader, and he'd say, come in, as it's this particular time, onto the floor, and come meet me on the floor. Well, they didn't really have a lot of women on the floor. Yeah, back in those days. I mean, you know, back in the days where I grew up, my husband had to approve a bank account if I could have a savings account. So you could, you couldn't even, you know, have a credit card if you were a woman, you know. So I went through a lot of stuff. But anyway, I remember walking on the floor, and the whole exchange stopped because he told me wear a mini skirt. And I did. And he went in and did a whole big thing on trading gold, and made a lot of money that day. Walked on the exchange. That's what ended up happening. But Seth, you Michael Hingson  07:17 talked about, you just made me think of something you talked about, you saw people's hearts and so on, but you never remembered their names. I know for six years I worked up at Guide Dogs for the Blind in San Rafael, which is where I've gotten all of my guide dogs. Because after September 11, one of the things they asked me if I come be their spokesperson. One of the things that we heard, and I never believed in until I saw it in action, is that most of the people at guide dogs know every single dog that goes through the campus bills. They'll never remember your names. They don't remember students names, but they remember the dogs, Linda MacKenzie  07:53 right, right? Well, they have intimate Well, I mean, I remembered my mom's name. Well, that's a start. Michael Hingson  08:04 It's just kind of funny, because, you know, the students and the trainers do get along well, but it's just so funny. How so many people up there would remember the dogs. I could go down the corridor going to the Veterinary Clinic, and people would come up and they go, Hi Rosell, or hi Africa. I can't quite remember your name, but it's so funny. That's great, you know, and can't argue with it. It's nice to be remembered somehow, even if it's for the dog. That's right, that's right. So did you just have two years of college, or did you ever finish? Linda MacKenzie  08:39 Yeah, no, I went back and I got a degree, and then I got grandfathered in, and I have a PhD in clinical hypnotherapy, and I have been recognized as a furthering the profession, and also by the American Board of hypnotherapy, they say that I'm the their most creative, prolific minds, which I said, Oh, good. I can use that in PR for at least 10 minutes? Yeah, at Michael Hingson  09:05 least it's something to say. Linda MacKenzie  09:07 Yeah, no, but I've always I was. My Autobiography is called Life is like Girl Scout badges. I'm kind of writing that so and it's because whenever I finish something or did something, you know, I would go on to something else, because I feel life is just a wonderful thing. So I've done many, many things I've done, you know, when I was 18, I won awards from the Metropolitan Museum of Art for my artwork, and I was offered a contract with Columbia Records to sing, but the promoter, the ME TOO movement was back then too, and I chose not to do it, so I didn't go with them, which is a funny thing, because now I'm 76 this year, and I am producing a children's record and next month, and I've written the songs and done the music, and we've got people from Off Broadway and different kinds of people coming together. For for a wonderful record for children on how to stop negative thought, to stay positive and what and how to transcend fear. So that's my project for this year. You know, so, but I've done so many things. I mean, I don't know where you just start. Michael Hingson  10:18 That's fine. Well, I hope to hear the record someday. Linda MacKenzie  10:22 Oh, you will. It's going to be so much fun. It's so much fun. Michael Hingson  10:26 I you know, you know who Neil sadaka is, yes, and he's got this song, Breaking up is hard to do. Well, it turns out that in 2009 he did a whole album for kids. The title song is waking up is hard to do. It's never it's cute. Somebody told me about it earlier this year, and I went and found it. It is a cute album, and it's the melodies are most all of his other songs, but the words are all kids related, and they're very clever. Linda MacKenzie  10:53 Well, this was a book that I wrote about 20 years ago, and and then I and somebody picked it up, and then they said, you need to write a script. And I said, Well, I don't know how to write a script, so I bought a book and I wrote a script, and they it was picked up while Ron Howard had it, and Hawk Koch, who did sliver, and Deborah Johnson, and it's been in play for 20 years. I mean, the last producers that had it was crazy, Rich Asians, and it was never produced, and every single time they wanted to produce it, so I said, You know what, I'm going to write the book myself. So I rewrote the book. My daughter's doing some education. She's a teacher, so she's doing some educational things so that the people in education can, you know, take the chapters and the characters and learn how to be positive from these things and and it's really kind of a fun thing, so I'm really excited about it. So I just said, I'm not going to wait for them. I'm going to do it because the kids need it now more than ever. They just get away from that social media and to really start connecting and to understand that it's not the witchcraft, it's not the, you know, the social media that, or you know what it is, is your own mind and your own self, and using the quality of your mind and understanding that and moving through it and having a Positive attitude that will get you so far in life, and that's what my goal is, is to just, you know, I've been doing that for almost, I don't know, 40 years. Is my whole goal was truth and positivity. So Well, there Michael Hingson  12:33 you go. By the way, since you have written books, I would appreciate it if you would email me and attach pictures of the book covers, because I'd love to put them out as part of the show notes. Linda MacKenzie  12:45 Okay, great. That would be great. I have four books out. I I had started a positive Talk Radio Network back in 2002 and you know, we're going to a lot of we go. We have 45 hosts. It's live. We do podcasts, and we've been doing podcasts since 2004 if you can believe that, and we were pioneer in internet radio and so and that's because I was an engineer for 18 years, and I was the first woman Datacom engineer in any airline in the world, and designed stuff for Continental Airlines and Western airlines and international airlines and things like that. And, you know, air to ground, radio and right go to the when you go to the airport, if you use computerized tickets, that was kind of my I participated in that with other wonderful people, and I worked with microwave and did all of that as matter of fact, I redesigned a computer center. So every year I've done something, you know, and I've been successful, and then I move on, you know. But the radio network is my longest one. That's 23 years. So we'll be 2024, years this year, which is a lot of years, but we're helping people, because it's all positive talk. So although we do have a news program, I tried to make it positive, but we report the old way, you know, with, you know, checking sources and really having too much opinion. And when you have an opinion, say it's your opinion, you know, not trying to which Michael Hingson  14:21 is fair, which is which is fair. Well, if you ever need a guest on the podcast or on any of the radio shows, just let me know. I'm always looking for opportunities to also be positive and and motivate people. So if Linda MacKenzie  14:33 we can, just have to go to the site, and there's a thing called all shows, and go through all of the hosts, because we have over 45 of them, and, you know, and so, and each one does 14:47 their own. Got it? What's the site? Linda MacKenzie  14:50 Again, it's called Healthy Life. Dot.net. It's or heal thy life.net. So it's healthy life or heal thy life. Same got it? Same thing. Saying different, different way of saying it and and you can listen 24/7, I don't do any apps. We are syndicated on 75 channels of distribution. So if you wanted to get on, tune in, or streama, or some of these other wonderful networks in Europe, you know, we go to 137 countries. So it's a pretty good network. And if you want to be happy and get learn things, you know it's just wonderful. We're starting some new shows that nobody's ever done, and I can do an exclusive here for you, if you want it, our network is going to be doing I've been following a while that there's certain kinds of classical music, right? That when you listen to it can reverse cancer, stop Alzheimer's, stop Parkinson's. And there are certain things at certain frequencies. And I have one of the greatest classical Taurus in the world, in my opinion, and he's going to be doing a show where people can listen to the music and then and help themselves heal right on air, I'm stupid by John Hopkins University. And, I mean, it's not just namby pamby or, you know, La La Land stuff. It's no, I'm saving for certain things. So it's it's really no one's doing that. So it's going to be really fun for me to do. Michael Hingson  16:27 Are you familiar with Joe fatale? No. He is a an individual who has done a lot with with sound to not only help people from a wealth standpoint, but also help them in terms of dealing with health. I've, I've been on a couple of his mailing lists, and he's had some interesting, some interesting things, and a couple of people who've worked with him and so on have been guests on unstoppable mindset. But it's an interesting guy, but definitely parallels a lot of what you're saying, certainly stuff, I have also believed, right? Linda MacKenzie  17:03 We've had Jonathan Goldman, who has written, He's a graduate of Berkeley School of Music, but he's been doing sound healing. It was an interesting story with him, and he's on our network, and he's been doing shows with us for over 20 years. And it was funny, he went to Tibet and he was loved the chants of the Tibetan monks. And he went over there, and he said, can I try that chant? And they said, No, that chant, you know, is like 10 years. You have to do it in 10 years, you know, you have to train for that. He goes, Can I try? And they said, Yes. And he got it perfectly. And so now the Tibetan monks go to train with him in Boulder, Colorado every year around June timeframe. So it's kind of a fun story. So he's been in sound healing for a long time. And there's a lot of different things that are true, but like today, you have to make sure that it resonates with you, because not everything that you're hearing is true, and people are bastardizing things. And the closer you are to the truth, and the closer that you and you can depend on your own truth meter, because everybody's got one, yeah. And if you depend on that and listen to just that, and if it tells you stop, I don't want to do this anymore, then you just go to that point, and then you will get the benefit from everything. Michael Hingson  18:25 One of my favorite things that I've talked about several times on the podcast when I talk to people about inner voices and their thoughts is I ask a number of people, did you used to play or do you play Trivial Pursuit? And when they say, Yes. One of the things I constantly ask people is, how often did somebody ask a question? Immediately you thought of an answer, but you went, Oh, that was just too easy. And so you think again, you come up with a different answer, but the first answer that you thought of was the correct one, which is absolutely all about listening to your inner voice and listening to correct what you're being told. Linda MacKenzie  19:00 That's right. You're 99% right if you listen the first time and don't use your mind to think. You know, the brain is divided into two kinds. You know, the left logical brain. What you need if you're crossing a street. I mean, I would like to know there's a car and step back, but the right side of the brain is where your creativity is, and I call the seat of soul. And what happens is, is that your creative side is the thing that heals you. Your left logical side is just like the monkey mind. And so what happens when you're doing hypnosis? What you're doing is you're getting the left brain to listen to a story, but you before you do it, you have an intention, and the intention is the right brain knows exactly what you need to do, but it's very kind, and it lets the left brain sit there, be in control, except at night, and you'll notice that if you're ill, and when you wake up in the morning, you feel, most times, a lot better. And that's reason is, is because the right side of the mind has. Has actually taken control right and the left side of the brain is sleeping, so your right side of the brain can absolutely heal you. And this is where your your gut feel comes from, too, is from the right side of the brain. And we are much more than we think we are. You know, we're just spiritual beings in a physical body, not a physical being in a you know, we're not just physical beings, you know, right? Michael Hingson  20:28 Well, and it all goes back to the spiritual and to the light. And absolutely is true. I know that I've, we've had on on this podcast, a number of Reiki Masters and other people, and we've had people who bring on singing musical bowls and so on. Linda MacKenzie  20:50 And it's interesting about that, because, you know, here in Japan, Reiki has 12 levels, but they're only taught three here, and they're never taught the level to where you protect yourself, because when you're out there in the universe and you're going into doing some of these things, everything exists, even a thought form exists. So you want to make sure that you're as protected as possible when you're doing these things right and so, but most of the people don't know, because they don't allow you to do that. And Reiki, there is a you're there in it, day in, day out. That's your career. You know, it's not just a pastime. And the Tibetan bowls are great. However, for me, when they do the regular way of doing it, it's like chalk on a chalkboard. For me, when they do it opposite and backwards, I'm in heaven. So it's really interesting how everybody's body is different. Every person is unique. And we have to understand that when we're looking at health or with mind or with body, we want to understand that we are so important. Each one of us is important. Never should be belittled or, you know, and treat everybody with kindness and love and and respect and truth Michael Hingson  22:06 exactly right. And I'd love to see a whole lot more of it than oftentimes we do see, but I know that that it's so important that we focus on doing things to protect ourselves. And one of the things that that I talk about is I wrote a book that was published last year called on stop or excuse me, called Live like a guide dog, true stories from a blind man and his dogs about being brave, overcoming adversity and moving forward in faith. And the whole idea behind the book was that at the beginning of the pandemic, I realized that although I had escaped from the World Trade Center, and I had, in fact, known what to do, which was a mindset that clicked in when the emergency happened. I never really worked to teach other people that. So I wrote, live like a guide dog, and used lessons that I learned from all of my guide dogs and my wife's service dog, the lessons from those dogs to, in fact, learn how to deal with the different things that we have to deal with, and learn how to, in reality, control, protect ourselves and move forward in a positive and constructive way. In other words, really learning about the fact that you can control fear. Fear is not something that you you need to allow to overwhelm or, as I put it, blind you or paralyze you. The reality is that fear is a wonderful thing that you can use as a very powerful tool to help you function and succeed even in the most adverse circumstances possible. Linda MacKenzie  23:40 Well, I one of the songs on the record is called fear is fear is my friend, and it's a wonderful song, and it teaches you that fear. I did a big study for 20 years on fear, right? Because the only way that people can control you is through fear. Okay? If you don't have fear, no one can control you. No one, okay, yeah. Michael Hingson  24:08 Well, and just to interrupt for a quick sec, I would say it's not that you don't have fear, but you control it. Linda MacKenzie  24:16 Well, you overcome it. You Michael Hingson  24:17 exactly, right, exactly. You use it. You use it in a powerful, better way. Anyway, go ahead, right? Linda MacKenzie  24:23 Well, fear does, for me is that when fear comes in, it's, it's a wake up call, saying, yeah, look at this. What is it that you're fearful of, and what? Because the only way you can go through exactly right through it. And so when I did this study, it was very interesting, because I found that fear comes from two places. One is a fear of loss, and the other is a fear of death. When you fine tune fear all the way all the way all the way all the way down, it's fear of loss or fear of death. And it's funny, because we come in with nothing, we're leaving with nothing. The only thing we take. With us is the love we give and the love we get. That's it. And I've been on the other side and worked on the other side for the British government and all sorts of stuff, so I know that there's life after death, yeah. And so therefore there's really nothing to fear except to find out what the lesson fear is trying to teach you when you learn it, and you learn it all the way that lesson, you will never have to repeat it in your life again. And so fear is so, so important, and yet not to be feared. Don't fear Michael Hingson  25:35 don't fear it. No, as I said, it's a very powerful tool that can help in so many ways, right, which I think is really important. Well, after college, you started working at various things. What did you do after college? What was kind of your first endeavor? Linda MacKenzie  25:51 Well, I started with the New York telephone company, and I was called when I was selling touch tone telephones. They had just come out. Michael Hingson  26:01 Was it, was it called? Was it called 9x then? Or was it was that? Linda MacKenzie  26:05 Well, in New York, it was no. It was, yeah, that was the trade trade, yes, but it was New York telephone company, yeah. And then I went to work for the National radiology registry, and I designed a prison. When I moved to California, I started to really take off, and I designed a people coming out of prison weren't able to get jobs and and so the X ray they did teach in some prisons in Chino, as a matter of fact, how to become a x ray technician and and so, and an ultrasound wasn't even out back then, back in 77 so I started a prison program to it was a temporary agency so that when a doctor's office or a hospital, their x ray technicians didn't show up, they would call us, and then we would send somebody out, and then they would like the people we would send, and they would give them jobs. So the we so I tried to do that. And then I started working for the airlines and and I they said, Well, do you want to be a reservation person? I said, No. And they said, Well, do you want to be, you know, at the ticket counter agent? Yeah, no, no. He said, Do you want to be a flight attendant? I said, No. And they said, Well, what do you want to do? And I said, Put me in accounting at the mail desk. I want to see where the money goes, and then I'll figure out where I'm going to go. And they said, What? And I said, Just do it, you know. And I had made friends with someone, and so they gave me the job, and I kept moving. And every six months I'd find another error, a million dollar error, and this and this and this. And I finally worked my way up into computers and and then I was the very first woman in any as a data com engineer in any airline in the world. And I started doing a lot of things like that, and then went to work for Western airlines. And then I did worked for CETA, which is Society International Telecommunications aeronautic, which is a largest telecommunications company in the world, based in France and Switzerland. And then I from there, after my daughter graduated from college, I said, enough of this engineering. And so I quit, and I started a metaphysical company, and I got onto a lot of TV. I started my radio show in 1996 I started writing books, and I then from there, I was president of a dietary supplement manufacturing company for a while, and then I manufactured audio tapes and and our company, our vitamin company, was the first company to do mind body medicine. So we would have my partner, was Vice President from GNC, and we started a business in New York and in California. And what we did was we would do an arthritis formula, which she was great at formulation. She was one of the best in the biz. And I would do audio visualization tapes, so that when you were taking the formulas, you would be working on a body level, but the mind would, you would start helping to grow bone with the mind. So we were the first ones to do all these wonderful things for that. And we sold to Trader Joe's and house markets and all sorts of stuff. And then the big farmer came in, and then that was that, you know, they bought up almost all the vitamin companies, and then they started, you know, most of the vitamin companies out there aren't worth their salt, and they're not giving you good vitamins. So and then from there, I went into doing the radio network and which I've been doing, and then I stopped doing books. And then two years ago, I said, you know, I'm getting old, and if I want to get these books out, I better get them out. So I probably. Myself that I was going to do one a year. And for the last two years, I did those two new books, and then I was, I was going to do the children's book this year, but they say that April is the best time to release a children's book is that's when the stores and the education people are looking at it and getting towards summer and all that. Yeah, yeah. So I'm waiting until next year to release that, the album and stuff. But so this year I had to put together a new book, which I'm doing. I just, I'm almost finished with that, so I can release it in September, and that is going to be where it's, I think it's going to be called, help yourself heal with natural remedies or naturally, and it's going to have 40, or about 40 different illnesses, and all the natural medicine with it, plus in the back, it's going to have what is an amino acid, all these terms, so that people can understand. I like to do things that are complete and and I don't do anything if somebody has to get something from a book or a product or a thing that I do. Otherwise I won't do it, yeah, because I want it for everyone, you know. So, so anyways, I'm, I'm working on that as we 31:08 speak. Well, there you go. Well, Michael Hingson  31:11 so it'll be out in like, September or October. Linda MacKenzie  31:14 Yeah, exactly. I'm, I'm doing, I'm just about completed with it, and I just have about three or four chapters to go, but I keep finding new things I want to put in. For example, you know, since there is a censorship on the natural health sites, I'm going to include all of the wonderful health site, health natural health sites, so that people will have a reference so they don't have to worry about things, you know and where to get information. So it's going to be good. Michael Hingson  31:44 Well, when that book gets to the point where you have a book cover, I certainly want to put that in the show notes as well. Speaker 1  31:50 Okay, great. That'd be great. And Michael Hingson  31:53 maybe we can release this about the time the book is is made visible to the world, so that that'll help. Speaker 1  32:01 That'd be great, sure. Well, so what Michael Hingson  32:05 do you consider your profession today? Linda MacKenzie  32:09 Me, I'm my own profession. Me, the I don't have a profession. I have many hats that I'm wearing, right? So I mean tremendous amounts. I'm still running the radio network, and in a radio network, you need 21 individuals to do it, and there we have four, and I'm doing about, I don't know, 10 or 12 of the 21 things to do. So if you want to give me a hat for there, that's that. And then I'm an author and I'm doing the record, so I'm that, and I'm a radio host and, you know, and I give pictures. And the thing is, is that it's like, I'm not busy enough, but I love giving back to the community, because, you know, when you are there's six things you need in your life to be happy and balanced, right? And one of them is giving to the community. So I wasn't really before covid, I was doing a lot, but I wasn't really doing anything for my community. So what I did was I it took me four months. They had to do a homeland security check and a thumbprint and, you know, all sorts of stuff, to do guided meditation for healing for seniors. So we're going to be taking, and that's starting in two weeks, in August 8, and we're, we're going to be doing at the Senior Center in Redondo Beach and and so people will come, and we're going to work on different kinds of anti aging issues, like arthritis and, you know, macular degeneration and bones and diabetes and stuff, and every every two weeks, I'll be doing a guided meditation and helping people heal with that. So, so now I've got the community in and so I've got all my six pieces of my pie, and now I'm stable again. Michael Hingson  34:00 There you go. It's nice to have peace in the world, right? Yeah, it is. It is. So tell me, given all the things you've done, tell me a story or two about things that you've done, something very memorable that comes to mind. Linda MacKenzie  34:15 Oh, there's so many, I'm sure. I mean, because on top of that, you know, I've been a psychic since I'm eight years 34:21 old, right? So how did you discover that? How did Linda MacKenzie  34:25 you I saw God when I was eight? Okay, I'm very God based. I'm not from the planet Altair or the universe. I never took a course. I mean, I listened to God. God said, Jump. I said, Hi. How high and and that's what I do. But I've done I'm very respected in the community. I do a lot of, like, a lot of things for for that, there's, you know, I've done documentaries on it, and there's 17 different distinct psychic abilities. I have them all, and I don't do. Two of them, I don't do prophecy and I don't do trans mediumship, which means that an entity will jump into you and talk through you. And that happens because for a long time, I was on ABC, NBC, BBC, Japan TV. I worked with International Society for paranormal research, and we went over to London to investigate for the British government, you know, some of the Belgrave Hall, whether the ghost things were real or not. And one of the things that was interesting, because there's a lot of stories on those you know that are like, kind of titillating, or saying, Oh, what's going on? I was so basically, I tested my abilities for 37 years before I came out. So what I would do is say I was 16, and I would have pre Cognizant dreams. So I would write the dreams out. And what I would do is I would give them to my girlfriend after I wrote them, and then when one of the dreams would come true, I'd have a witness that was there with me, and I'd go over to her house, and I'd say, hey, Eileen, can you pull the dream with the roller coaster there? And she would pull it out. And then I said, read it. And then that way, I learned to decipher what was coming from God, what was coming from me. Because, you know, there's a lot of, you know, where if you don't know how to manipulate the energy. So it was a long, long time I, you know, by the time I was 15, I had read every metaphysical book in the New York Public Library, everyone, and so I took it very seriously. And I was, you know, busting psychics in New York at 21 and and then finally I just stopped, and I didn't come back out until I was about 37 and so when I went to London, they there was a, we had a Cora Derek. A Cora was the one of the leading psychics in London. And then we had Peter James, who was on sightings. And then we had me, and we three went over. And then we would go into they would take us individually to these different sites. And they would say, Okay, what do you feel, and what do you see? And so I would be taking, you know, they take me to these different things and, and I would see all these different things, and I would say it, and it turned out, I'm saying I'm not very comfortable here. I'm not comfortable here. And then we go to the next site, and I would tell them, Oh, I see a woman with a red hat. And I gave them names and places and dates and and it turned out that they were taking me on the path of Jack the Ripper, and to the point where I gave them new information on Jack the Ripper that they never had before. And so I have an ability that I can stand on a piece of ground, and I can go back to the beginning of time and tell you names and dates and places of who was there all the way back up. So there's a lot of things, and the government has asked me to work for them on many projects. They've been charting me since I'm 15 and so, and I just don't, I don't do and one, and I'm not going to say which, but one of the presidents of the United States, when they were in office, asked me to be their psychic, and I told them, I don't do politics, sports books or lottery tickets, and I turned them down. I mean, I was going to go to dinner with them, because Henry Kissinger was going to be my dinner partner at the Jonathan club, you know. And I thought he was an interesting guy, you know, whether you liked him or you didn't like him, he was an interesting guy. And I like to meet different people, because even if you it's not somebody you like, you need to understand the people so that you know how to handle them in a correct manner, you know. And so even if you don't like someone, you treat them with respect, and you learn you better, you understand, you know. So, so that's those are some stories. Michael Hingson  39:01 So, so let's, let's get to the reality of the world. Did you ever visit the Del Coronado hotel and talk to the ghost down there? Linda MacKenzie  39:08 Yes, oh, good. We did. We were one. We were the group that was doing it, that was filmed. We did the Queen Mary. We did. We were, if you saw that on television. It was probably me there. It wasn't as as haunted as some of the other places. I mean, you know, there was one place in England that was very interesting, so we did a documentary called ghost of England, and there was a one house. I don't remember the name of it, but there was a three generations that had died that were still in the house. The house was in the family for 300 years, and I released a little girl there that was eight, that was a, you know, a spirit there, and I released her to her mom. She had died of consumption. It was really interesting, because. Because they knew of each other, and it was, here's these three different generations, and they can see each other, and they know each other. So that was very interesting, because the Society for paranormal research actually did research into the phenomena of ghosts and the ghost at Belgrave Hall, we found we were very truthful. There was no ghost at Belgrave Hall, okay? I mean, it was explained away by phenomena that, you know, street lights and rain stuff. So we did a lot of that, but we wanted to make sure that everything that we did was in truth. And then another thing that we found was I did another documentary called ghost of New Orleans. And New Orleans is a very, very, very strange place. And I actually went back and they asked me to do a I did a 17 part interactive museum display for a paranormal Museum in New Orleans, and it was all teaching about psychic ability and how not to fear it. And it's not the devil's work. It's, you know, it's just a natural ability that we have. And I wanted people to understand that, but get the truth not from a lot of these people that are just talking that don't know, you know. So anyway, so we did in New Orleans. It was interesting, because the ghosts work together. We were all on different floors, and on each floor, they would give us papers, and they would, you know, newspapers in the morning, and the newspapers would end up in our rooms, in different places all the time, and it was just and we didn't move them. Nobody touched them. The room wasn't able to get in. So there's all sorts of phenomenon there that is just kind of interesting, you know, there. Michael Hingson  41:47 So just, does some of that have to do with voodoo and so on, but just because they're so prevalent down Linda MacKenzie  41:52 if you understand that everything exists, you have to none of that was the voodoo, because, very specific thing, yeah, and it's a specific practice, okay, and so it's not something that I would get into. Or, do you know? I mean, it's not we were, I was attacked several times there. I mean, we went into a we went into a house where there was an entity there that had committed 27 murders, and it was they were all buried in the backyard, and they never even knew until we told them about it, when he came after me on that and so you know, you you have to know what you're doing when you're Doing this, too, you know. So you know, but most ghosts, you just tell them to go away, or if you and sometimes you want to see them, you know, maybe it's your mom or your dad that you're missing. So one of the ways that you can do that is you can say, Hey, before you go to sleep, put a pen and a pencil by your bed, and just say, I would like to see you, dad tonight, and and then you say, I would like to remember that I saw you, yeah. And then when you get up in the morning, you just jot down little words or something, anything that you remember. And then after a while, you'll be able to get a rapport where you'll be able to start to remember, and then able to communicate. Michael Hingson  43:23 Yeah. And the reason I asked about the Dell, just because that's that is a a ghost I've, I've heard so much about, and a friendly ghost, as I understand it. So there's a woman, I guess what? She died in a room there. But it's one of the things that everybody talks about with the Dell all the time, of course. Linda MacKenzie  43:40 Well, one of the funniest things that happened was, well, there was two funny things. One was, you know, we were at the doing the the Comedy Store, the magic and magic club. And the Comedy Store is what that Tootsie shores place, anyway. So we were doing, doing the Comedy Store, and there's a ghost there that puts his hands up people's skirts. Well, that's nice. I went in there, and they didn't tell me, and all of a sudden, I'm going, what the heck. And I look there and I see and I and these, and they said, Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you. I said, Yeah, you didn't forget you wanted to catch that on camera. I said, Well, you did. So it's funny. It's a comedy Michael Hingson  44:28 story. I'm sure the ghost thought it was funny. Linda MacKenzie  44:30 Yeah, he did. I bet. So, yeah. So there's, there's, I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of stories and and that's my book coming out in 2027 that's going to be called, and then what happened? Paranormal stories, believe it or not, you know. And those are going to have 40 stories in there on things that have happened to me, where people are going to say what? And you can believe it or not, that's coming Michael Hingson  44:58 up too. So do. Well, and that's that's ultimately it. People can decide to believe it or not, and a lot of people will poo, poo it. It doesn't change the reality of the situation, though, Linda MacKenzie  45:12 no, but you know, it's okay. Wherever you are is good, as long as you love one another, or at least try and be kind to one another. I think we can accomplish a lot just by doing that, yeah, and agree to disagree. You know, we we don't have to get upset if the other person has 100% doesn't agree with us. We have to just agree to disagree and not try and get heated. But the Michael Hingson  45:38 other, the other side of that, or the other part of that, not the other side, is that if you really take that, that tact, and you agree to disagree and you continue to converse, you never know what you're going to learn, as opposed to what we see so often now, somebody disagrees, and there's just this complete block wall that comes up. There's no discussion at all, and that's never a good thing to do. Linda MacKenzie  46:03 Well, this morning on my radio show was interesting. I went out with a girlfriend of mine, and she's really into these conspiracy theories, and I'm just not there, you know. So she was trying to put her point through and saying, you know, the collective consciousness has to understand this so we can do something about it. And I said, Yeah. I said, Well look, I said, Here's what I've decided. I said, I'm 76 if somebody else wants to do the activism for this kind of stuff, then at 50, go and do your thing. I said, but I think that when you start getting angry and you start getting heated, what's happening is the collective consciousness is there for everyone. We're all part of everything. We are part of everyone and everything. And so when you get upset, that's not helping the consciousness to make everything right. And if you get a group of people thinking the same thought, you can actually change consciousness and make the world better. So instead of sitting there, do something about it. Donate to something. But don't just sit there and talk about it, you know, actually do something about it and start making sure that you're staying positive about it, and what you can do positively for the situation. And don't get caught in the controversy because you're making more negative energy, yeah, and that never works, no. Positive always overcomes negative. So if you want something to happen, think positive, be buoyant, positive always overcomes negative. So you need to do that. Michael Hingson  47:39 And it is, it is so true, and so many people, you know, we're, we're in a world now where there's so much negativity. It's so unfortunate, because I think people miss out when they do that. And you're right, that's, it's not really part of the good, constructive collective consciousness, either, Linda MacKenzie  48:00 right, right? So we just have to, you know, people think that they can't do anything when things happen. And what I'm saying if you come from the premise that everything is energy, right? And so if you are just loving your spouse or loving your dog or being kind to people that energy is positive, right? And so sure you are doing something, because if we make a lot of positive energy in that collective consciousness, as above so below, right? So if we go ahead and do that, then it will drift down, and we will have a better, happier place, but being negative doesn't help you. Negative makes your immune system depressed. It gives you illness, and it's these are all proven things, so you might as well stay positive. And I don't mean Pollyanna, where you don't things, but you know, understand things and understand that there's a greater force in the back of things too, that, you know, it's not just all about us. You know, there is a for me. I believe that there's a God, and God is in control, and so we have to trust that to some degree. Michael Hingson  49:14 On September 11, and I wrote about this in my book thunder dog, and I've talked about it a few times here, when I was running away from tower two, because I was very close to it when it collapsed. The first thing I thought of as I started to run was, God, I can't believe that you got us out of a building just to have it fall on us. And immediately I heard in my head, as clearly as we're talking right now a voice that said, don't worry about what you can't control. Focus on running with Roselle, who is my guide dog, and the rest will take care of itself. And I immediately had this absolute sense of peace and calm and conviction that if I did that, I'd be fine. And I was so. I'm saying that in part to tell you I understand exactly what you're saying, and that was kind of perhaps one of my experiences. But the bottom line is that we need to learn to listen. And one of the things that I talk about and live like a guide dog is that so many people worry about every little thing that comes along. They are just worried about, how am I going to deal with this? Or the politicians are going to do this to me and that to me and everything else. And the reality is, we don't have control over any of that. What we have control over is how we deal with stuff. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't be aware of what's going on around us. But by the same token, if we worry about every little thing, and we don't really worry about the things over which we have some influence, we're only hurting ourselves. Linda MacKenzie  50:50 And it delays it, and it delays it, and it delays it. So you if you want things to get over quickly, learn to listen. And sometimes, you know, people would say, what is meditation? And I said, Well, it's kind of like prayer. You're listening to God's answers, you know. So I mean, there, I've never been alone, because I've always had a very strong connection with God. And as a matter of fact, it was very interesting. I'll tell you the story about the radio network, and basically, I had just been offered by Sci Fi Channel. They said, We love working with you. So would you take and there was a big 51:31 ghosty, a ghost Linda MacKenzie  51:36 show coming up. It was very big. And I said, No, I won't do that because it wasn't in truth, and you just want to make people cry. You want to feed off those emotions. That's not me. So Mary from sci fi said, You know what, Linda, we like working with you, so just go home and design a show for us, and we will do it. So I got home and I was so excited, because now I was going to make the big money, and I was going to get known and God comes in, and he goes, Linda. And I said, What? And he said, I want you to start a radio network. I said, What? And he says, Well, look. He goes, I gave you all the tools to do it. He goes, You were a data com engineer, you've been in radio. He goes, you're doing positive stuff. He goes, I want you to do a positive network. And I'm going, Wait a minute. I says, you know, I'm just getting this big opportunity, you know? And he goes, Well, listen, he goes, You know, when you're doing a lecture, now you're he goes, you get 1000 people coming to your lecture. He goes, so you're a point of light. He goes, think if you were to get 4045, people to do a radio network, all with positive thought. He goes, then you become a lighthouse. And I said, Okay. And I said, But what about this opportunity? And he goes, Well, you don't have to do it. And I said, well. I said, God is asking me, and I'm going to say, No, I'm not going to do that. I said, No, that's not going to happen. I said, and my Italian came in because I said, Okay, I'll do it. But when I get upstairs, you and I have it a sit down, and he just laughs. He thinks I'm funny so, and he has always been with me 100% of the time. And a lot of times he'll tell me, No, you can do this yourself. You do it, you know. And so I but I've been in a realm where I can go back and forth and I understand, you know. And I talk, you know, you can talk to anybody you want, sure, if you're if you're there, you know, if I need help from Einstein, I'll say, Hey, Uncle L, I need you what? And I go, ask God, Michael Hingson  53:43 yeah, it's it's interesting. It's so many people just belittle so much and but everyone has to make their own choices, and I don't have control over the the choices that people make. I can only talk about my experiences and what I do and so on, and people have to make up their own minds. Which is, which is the way it should be. I think that all of us are individuals that are given the opportunity to make choices, and we can decide how we want to proceed, and the time will come when we will have to defend our positions, or it will have all gone really well. And so the bottom line is that that we make the choices and we have to live by what happens as a result the consequences Linda MacKenzie  54:36 right, and we have to take to learn, to get take responsibility for our actions. You know, the songs on this album address all the major things that we need to do to stay positive and to have a happy life. And so it's not just for kids, it's for parents, and it's for grandparents, and it's for anyone who wants to listen. And it's it's going to be a good. Thing when I get this all done, and I'm it's one of them, my, one of my projects that I wanted to do for a lifetime. And once I get this done, I'll be happy. Michael Hingson  55:09 So well, you do a lot of different stuff. You must have a personal life too. How do you balance the two? Well, and what do you do in your personal life? Linda MacKenzie  55:20 Well, I love to exercise. I do. I love to cook. So once a month I do a psychic soiree, you know, so I do. I've been on a specific diet, you know, no dairy, no salt, no sugar, no effervescence, no since 1992 I don't go to medical doctors. I haven't been to a medical doctor since 1992 and I do everything with just herbs and exercise and getting enough sleep and stuff. So I cook for dinners, and I have a family, and we go out, and I have wonderful friends and bands that I follow in town, so we go out. And I'm actually even going out on a date next this coming Thursday night, which hasn't been for a long time, but so there's and then I do a lot of working with the senior centers and so and then do and I love watching dumb TV that I don't have to think. I like dumb Michael Hingson  56:23 I like dumb TV too. I know exactly what you mean when you say that. I have always been a fan, also, of old radio shows. So I love listening to all the old time radio shows from the 30s, 40s and 50s and so on. And some of them can make you think. But by the same token, the reality is that there's something to be said for just being able to escape, right? Linda MacKenzie  56:46 My latest thing is watching Chinese soap operas. They're 40 episodes long, and I love them. And even though they're subtitles, you get to see how they think and how a different kind of person, you know, culture thinks and does, and it's interesting that you can see how much the same they are as we you know, that they want the same things, they have the same values. You know, because we are all the same, and we have to understand that Michael Hingson  57:19 I know, one of the things that I've said many times, that I know, I'm sure, that a lot of people just think I'm crazy, but I point out that what happened on September 11 was not a religious war. It was a bunch of thugs who wanted to try to bend the world to their will. But that's not the the Islamic religion. The reality is that all of the religions, all the major religions, especially in the world, are always to get to God, and Far be it from me, to judge someone else because they happen to belong to a different religion or subscribe to something different than what I do. Linda MacKenzie  57:54 Well, it's interesting that I did a study on religion. As a matter of fact, on on our radio network we have James Bean, and he's been doing, he was on wisdom radio, so for 40 years, he's been doing spiritual awakenings, where he does comparative religions. And it's interesting that all of the religions have a, you know, a Jesus, you know, or a Mohammed, and they all die, and they all get resurrected in three days. Every single one of the religions has that. And if you and every single one of the religions has a version of the Our Father, Mm, hmm, almost exact words, because Jesus, you know, so, so you know, as far as respecting other religions. I think you have to too. But nothing should be overwhelming, you know, right? Like, oh, absolutely nothing should be overwhelming on because of religion. Like, I don't think that the girls should have to wear burkas because it's religious, right, you know. I think there's some things that you know are not exactly right. Michael Hingson  59:00 Well, you know, Tolstoy once said The biggest problem with Christianity is that people don't practice it. It's the same sort of That's right, concept. I agree with you. I don't think that girls and women should have to wear burkas or not be educated, or not be educated. Well, I wish, I really wish they would be educated, yeah. And so today, actually, yeah, oh, they do and and I think more and more people are beginning to realize it, but not enough yet, in some of these countries where they're willing to stand up and and say, We're not going to tolerate this anymore. Linda MacKenzie  59:32 But I hope about the money, though, unfortunately, so it's power and money, but when they understand that it's the love and kindness that's more important, and that's the only thing that you take with you. Yeah, maybe we can change this world, and I hope we do well. Michael Hingson  59:50 I agree with what you're saying, and I think that people, but people do need to, at some time, recognize that there's something. To be said for principle in the world too. 1:00:02 Yes, I agree. So what Michael Hingson  1:00:08 do you hope that people gain today from listening to your show? Linda MacKenzie  1:00:13 Well, today we did a really, kind of an interesting thing. It was called Linda's world. And once a month, at the end of the month, I don't even know what I'm going to say, and so I come on and I just talk, and we talk a little bit about current events, and then we talked about anti aging, and I do herb of the week, and I give you different kinds of information on that, and we did all these things on anti aging and what vitamins and different things that can help you doing it. And so it's really we do spirit, and we do mind, body, spirit. So you know, you can go to healthy life.net, and click on podcast on demand. There's two buttons at the top. One is Listen Live. You just click on that. We don't have an app. We don't track you. We just allow you to listen for free. And we also have a podcast network with 3200 podcasts from wonderful, wonderful people, some who have passed over, but now, but they're still there, and they have still valuable information called HR and podcasts.com that's 3200 free podcasts there that people can access as well. So you can go to the podcast on demand button, click that, and you'll find my face, or look for Linda McKenzie, and click on that, and there'll be, I think, three months of shows that you can listen to, and you can see all the different kinds of topics. And I'm usually booked six months in advance, because I've been doing radio for so long, there's a lot of people that really like to come in, so I hope that people get one idea, one thought that makes their life positive from the show. And hopefully I'm giving 60 of them, Michael Hingson  1:01:52 yeah, I hear exactly what you're saying. And you know, if I can inspire one person when I speak, if I can get people to think a little bit more about something, then I've done my job right, and I think that's the only way to do it. Well, if people want to reach out to you, what's the best way for them to contact you? Linda MacKenzie  1:02:14 Okay, well, you can reach me if you want to email me. It's Linda at Linda mckenzie.net and that's m, A, C, K, E, N, Z, I, E, all one word, and Linda mckenzie.net that's my website, or they can go through healthy life.net and get me through that way too. And of course, I'm on all of the social media sites as well, right? You know? And on my website is all my appearances. I go up to San Jose and do expos and talks. And, you know, just did, just came and finished a past life regression class. I think I'm going to be doing a gemstone healing class. And, you know, whatever strikes me for the moment is what I do. So you never know. So you go on there, and you know, they want me. I've done a TV show this year, and they want me to do another one and continue. I said, Well, kind of have to pay me, because I'm doing a lot of stuff, you know, you know, you have to give me a little bit more money if you want another one. So I gave them their one, first one, and it's called Live with Linda, and that you can reach on, it's on Roku and Amazon, and that was just last September, and it's live with Linda, and it's also on soul search.tv and you can get it there as well. Michael Hingson  1:03:30 So did the Sci Fi Channel ever come back to you anymore? Linda MacKenzie  1:03:33 No, no, just checking that time, you know, I wasn't young and cute anymore. Now cute. I'm still, Michael Hingson  1:03:40 yeah, you're cute. I believe it'd be cute. You're cute. I'm cute. Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank you all for listening. I hope that you've learned something that you find there are relevant things that Linda has had to say. 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