Podcasts about Reciprocity

In this urgent solo episode, Darin breaks down what may be the most dangerous fatal convenience of our time: the digital algorithms quietly hijacking our attention, biology, and sovereignty. Billions of dollars are being spent to keep you scrolling by triggering fear, shame, comparison, and low-grade stress, and the cost is your presence, peace, and power. Drawing from neuroscience, public health data, indigenous wisdom, and lived experience, Darin exposes how the modern digital environment is engineered to extract from us, and why reclaiming your attention is one of the most powerful acts of self-protection available today. This episode is a call to stop outsourcing your life to algorithms, and start consciously designing your own.     What You'll Learn Why your attention is the most valuable real estate on Earth How algorithms are designed to exploit fear, shame, and comparison Why digital addiction is now considered a global public health crisis The biological cost of constant scrolling and notification overload How distraction prevents you from choosing your own life Why willpower fails against billion-dollar attention economies The concept of the "toxic digital environment" Indigenous wisdom as an antidote to modern extractive systems What it means to build your algorithm for life How intentional friction restores focus and freedom The science behind lost concentration and attention recovery Why psychological richness matters more than happiness Simple, actionable steps to reclaim your time and sovereignty     Chapters 00:00:00 – Welcome to SuperLife and the sovereignty mission 00:00:33 – Sponsor: Our Place and non-toxic cookware 00:03:08 – The most expensive real estate on Earth: your attention 00:03:27 – How algorithms hijack fear, shame, and comparison 00:03:56 – The toxic digital environment as a fatal convenience 00:04:21 – What convenience is really costing you 00:04:28 – Breaking the loop and building your own algorithm 00:04:41 – Digital addiction as a global public health crisis 00:04:58 – Why countries are banning social media for kids 00:05:12 – Biological harm: sleep loss, cortisol, and focus collapse 00:05:18 – Big Tech lawsuits and internal documents 00:05:39 – Dopamine delivery systems and low-grade stress 00:06:02 – When you're distracted, you're not choosing your life 00:06:25 – Why more tech isn't the solution 00:06:35 – Indigenous cultures and a different algorithm for life 00:06:48 – The medicine wheel and solving for balance 00:06:59 – Feeding the mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual 00:07:11 – Dadirri: deep listening and stillness 00:07:27 – Reciprocity vs extraction 00:07:37 – Rebalancing time between digital and nature 00:07:53 – Get in the dirt: movement and stillness 00:08:04 – Sponsor: Mana Vitality and frequency-based wellness 00:09:59 – Why willpower doesn't work against AI 00:10:14 – Creating intentional friction 00:10:29 – Removing apps and notifications 00:10:50 – The 23-minute attention recovery rule 00:11:18 – Psychological richness vs endless stimulation 00:11:24 – Why novelty and variety expand life 00:11:45 – Seeking the unknown instead of more of the same 00:12:05 – Nature as the ultimate algorithm 00:12:15 – Auditing your digital environment 00:12:28 – Deleting one app that makes you feel less than 00:12:46 – Why the best things in life aren't convenient 00:13:06 – Taking back attention restores health on every level 00:13:19 – From user to creator of your life 00:13:29 – Why you're not missing anything by not scrolling 00:13:41 – Reclaiming sovereignty together as a community 00:14:24 – Put the phone down. Go outside. Be in your life. 00:14:52 – Final message: this is our power     Thank You to Our Sponsors Our Place: Toxic-free, durable cookware that supports healthy cooking. Go to their website at fromourplace.com/darin and get 35% off sitewide in their largest sale of the year. Manna Vitality: Go to mannavitality.com/ and use code DARIN12 for 12% off your order.     Find More from Darin Olien: Instagram: @darinolien Podcast: SuperLife Podcast Website: superlife.com Book: Fatal Conveniences     Join the SuperLife Patreon: This is where Darin now shares the deeper work: - weekly voice notes - ingredient trackers - wellness challenges - extended conversations - community accountability - sovereignty practices Join now for only $7.49/month at https://patreon.com/darinolien     Key Takeaway When you take back your attention, you take back your life.

Send us a textIntroduction & Reel‑to‑Reel Time Travel 0:00:00YouTube Archives & Arlee 1958 Powwow Tapes 0:01:11Life Updates Sweat Lodge Smart Board & Office Feng Shui 0:09:35Genealogy Historic Trauma & Reinvented Family Histories 0:11:13Mythical Cree Blood Chiefs and Grandma Being Wrong 0:18:54Vin Diesel Philosophy & You Keep What You Kill 0:23:14Belief Depression & Warrior Trauma Thought Experiments 0:25:24Spirituality Censorship & Recording the Sacred 0:36:34Indigenous Science Metaphors & Western Science Bashing 0:48:22Knowledge Dojo Dropouts Elders & Other Tribal Ranks 1:00:34Anthro Archives Pop‑Pop's Notes & Future Kids Reading Us 1:14:28Wrap‑Up & Teasing the 2005 Notebooks 1:17:52Hosts: Aaron Brien (Apsáalooke), Shandin Pete (Salish/Diné). How to cite this episode (apa)Pete, S. H., Brien, A. & Old Bull, S. A. (Hosts). (2025, December 5). #68 - Memoirs of an Indigenous Knowledge Dojo Dropout and the Vin Diesel School of Indigenous Philosophy [Audio podcast episode]. In Tribal Research Specialist:The Podcast. Tribal Research Specialist, LLC. https://tribalresearchspecialist.buzzsprout.comHow to cite this podcast (apa)Pete, S. H., & Brien, A. (Hosts). (2020–present). Tribal Research Specialist:The Podcast [Audio podcast]. Tribal Research Specialist, LLC. https://tribalresearchspecialist.buzzsprout.com/Podcast Website: tribalresearchspecialist.buzzsprout.comApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tribal-research-specialist-the-podcast/id1512551396Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/1H5Y1pWYI8N6SYZAaawwxbX: @tribalresearchspecialistFacebook: www.facebook.com/TribalResearchSpecialistYouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCL9HR4B2ubGK_aaQKEt179QSupport the show

Healthy boundaries are essential - but most men don't know what they actually look like. In this episode of Friday Field Notes, Ryan Michler breaks down eight practical boundaries every man must establish in his personal, professional, and romantic relationships to build respect, alignment, and long-term success. These boundaries aren't about control or ultimatums - they're about clarity, self-respect, and creating relationships that truly work. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 - Why Boundaries Matter 01:10 - Why Men Struggle with Boundaries 02:38 - Grace, Communication, and Relationships 03:05 - High Fences Make Great Neighbors 05:05 - Alignment in Healthy Relationships 06:15 - Boundary #1: Reciprocity 07:26 - Boundary #2: Initiation 08:50 - Boundary #3: Flow 10:55 - Boundary #4: Capacity 12:08 - Boundary #5: Self-Abandonment 14:45 - Boundary #6: Regulation 17:30 - Boundary #7: Exit Boundary 22:55 - Boundary #8: Potential 24:10 - Identifying Triggered Boundaries 26:05 - Communicating Boundaries Effectively 28:40 - Join Iron Council 30:05 - Final Thoughts & Sign-Off Battle Planners: Pick yours up today! Order Ryan's new book, The Masculinity Manifesto. For more information on the Iron Council brotherhood. Want maximum health, wealth, relationships, and abundance in your life? Sign up for our free course, 30 Days to Battle Ready

In this engaging episode of the Meditative Prayers podcast, hosted by the insightful Zach Clinton and available on Pray.com, we delve into the meaningful concept of reciprocity within our spiritual community. Along our spiritual odyssey, there are instances when cultivating reciprocity and experiencing the divine give-and-take becomes a central yearning. These moments not only deepen our faith but also rejuvenate our connections, propelling us towards our individual dreams. The steadfast truth endures: guided by the Lord, we inherently possess the capacity to manifest these aspirations, uncovering renewed hope and purpose in our journey. Rooted in sacred scriptures, we embark on an exploration of this transformative human experience. For those seeking guidance in fostering reciprocity on their faith journey, we extend a heartfelt invitation to explore the Pray.com app. By downloading it today, you can embark on a transformative journey of faith and resilience, deeply anchored in the unwavering presence of the Divine. Together, let us wholeheartedly embrace the remarkable potential for reciprocity within us, discovering boundless inspiration and strength during our shared spiritual pilgrimage. Join us in this enlightening episode as we venture toward a profound understanding of cultivating reciprocity in our spiritual aspirations, uncovering the extraordinary sense of fulfillment that resides within each one of us. Embracing the practice of praying before slumber is more than just a routine; it's an avenue to recenter your heart, aligning it with God's purpose. Let Pray.com’s Meditative Prayer be a nightly companion, deepening your bond with the Almighty and settling your spirit for a serene night's rest.Zach Clinton is from the American Association of Christian Counselors, for more information please visit: https://aacc.net/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this Ask Me Anything episode, Ryan and Kipp tackle some of the most misunderstood challenges men face today. They break down how to establish clear and healthy boundaries - especially the role of reciprocity in relationships - and why unspoken expectations often lead to resentment. The conversation also explores the importance of physical touch between men and how appropriate, grounded connections build trust and brotherhood. Finally, they address jealousy, comparison, and social media, offering practical strategies for cultivating gratitude while still pursuing growth. This episode is a tactical, honest discussion on showing up as a grounded, intentional man in every area of life. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS 00:00 - Opening 06:57 - UFC Commentary and Attention Spans 12:07 - Taking Ownership Around Authority Figures 19:42 - Carrot vs. Stick in Self-Discipline 26:20 - Physical Touch and Connection Between Men 31:47 - Choosing a Word or Theme for the Year 37:04 - Boundaries, Reciprocity, and Resentment 48:50 - Discipling and Mentoring Young Men 56:50 - Overcoming Jealousy and Social Comparison 01:03:51 - Raising Boys and Recommended Resources Battle Planners: Pick yours up today! Order Ryan's new book, The Masculinity Manifesto. For more information on the Iron Council brotherhood. Want maximum health, wealth, relationships, and abundance in your life? Sign up for our free course, 30 Days to Battle Ready

Why does modern motherhood feel so hard — even when you're doing everything “right”?In this episode of Healthy As A Mother, we explore a powerful lens for understanding hormones, fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, and burnout: humans are animals — and modern life is not designed for our biology.From nervous system dysregulation and chronic stress to fertility struggles, postpartum depletion, and emotional overwhelm, this conversation reframes modern motherhood as a biological mismatch, not a personal failure.We cover:The “human animal in captivity” conceptWhy community is essential for mothersSunlight, sleep, movement, and hormonal healthNervous system overload, modern stress, and burnoutWhy self-care isn't indulgent — it's biological necessityThis episode is for women and mothers who feel like something about modern life, health, and motherhood just isn't working — and want a deeper, root-cause understanding.00:00 Introduction: The Human Animal02:05 Humans as Animals05:10 Animals in Captivity09:15 The Continuum Concept14:05 Biohacking vs Nature18:20 Hormones, Detox & Toxic Load22:45 Genetics & Sensitivity27:10 Evolution or De-Evolution31:30 The Loss of the Village36:20 Reciprocity & Support40:55 Parenting, School & Disconnection44:35 Sunlight, Sleep & Circadian Rhythm48:40 Men, Women & Biological Roles53:10 Food, Nutrient Depletion & Seasonality57:45 Sensory Overload & The News1:03:10 Warriors, Nurturers & Purpose1:08:40 Living Like an Animal Again1:12:30 Final Thoughts

This conversation with Dr. Lucía Alcalá explores how cultural values shape children's autonomy, motivation, emotional development, and contributions to family life. Drawing from her research with Indigenous communities in Yucatán, she reveals what Western parenting norms overlook and how collaboration and reciprocity can transform family dynamics. The episode invites listeners to rethink childhood itself as part of a healthier, more regenerative economy.View the show notes: https://www.lifteconomy.com/blog/2026/1/27/raising-collaborative-children-in-a-fragmented-economy-w-dr-luca-alcalEarly bird registration is now open for the spring 2026 cohort of The Next Economy MBA, a nine-month facilitated learning journey for people building a more just and regenerative economy. Save 20 percent if you sign up before February 2. Learn more at lifteconomy.com/mba.

In this conversation, Charles Good and Nancy Harhut delve into the intricate relationship between leadership, marketing, and behavioral science. They explore how understanding decision-making shortcuts, the power of emotion, and principles like loss aversion and the endowment effect can significantly enhance marketing strategies. The discussion emphasizes the importance of ethical marketing practices, the role of social proof, and how leveraging scarcity and exclusivity can drive customer engagement and conversion.TAKEAWAYSMost performance problems don't show up as learning problems.Leading with emotion accelerates action.People make decisions for emotional reasons and justify them later.Loss aversion outperforms promised gains in marketing.We value things more when we think of them as ours.Scarcity and exclusivity can create urgency in marketing.Giving first without strings attached fosters reciprocity.Social proof influences decision-making significantly.Specificity in testimonials enhances credibility.Authenticity in marketing is more effective than perfection.Chapters00:00 Understanding Marketing Blind Spots01:47 The Power of Behavioral Science in Marketing02:14 High-Cost Mistakes in Marketing04:06 Quick Wins with Behavioral Science05:15 The Role of Emotion in Decision Making 08:52 Leveraging Loss Aversion12:09 The Endowment Effect and Customer Ownership15:31 Scarcity and Exclusivity in Marketing21:21 The Principle of Reciprocity23:39 The Power of Reciprocity in Business25:05 Leveraging Social Proof for Credibility26:40 The Role of Peer Influence in Decision Making29:13 Authenticity in Social Proof and Reviews31:33 The Importance of Storytelling in Marketing33:47 Key Insights and TakeawaysNewsletter: https://charlesgood.substack.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesagood/

In this episode of the Man Therapy Podcast, hosts Dan and Kyle dive into a variety of topics, starting with their excitement for sports and the Super Bowl. They then transition into a deeper discussion about the concept of weaponization in relationships, exploring how individuals may manipulate emotions and situations to gain control. The conversation shifts to love languages, emphasizing the importance of understanding emotional needs in relationships. They conclude with practical advice on navigating these dynamics and the value of counseling for personal growth and relationship health. Takeaways The Super Bowl brings excitement and community together. Weaponizing emotions can lead to unhealthy relationship dynamics. Mental health issues should not be used as excuses for harmful behavior. Love languages can enhance relationships but can also be weaponized. Healthy communication is key to resolving conflicts in relationships. Setting boundaries is essential for personal well-being. Counseling can provide valuable insights and support for individuals and couples. Understanding your partner's needs is crucial for a successful relationship. Reciprocity in relationships fosters mutual respect and care. Personal growth often requires confronting uncomfortable truths. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stand Out on LinkedIn: Strategies for Speakers and CoachesSUMMARYIn this episode of the Professional Speaking Show, host John Ball engages with LinkedIn expert Michelle J Raymond to discuss the evolving landscape of LinkedIn and how speakers and coaches can navigate its complexities. They explore the challenges posed by AI-generated content, engagement pods, and the pressure to conform to viral trends, emphasising the importance of authenticity and genuine engagement. Michelle shares her insights on how to stand out in a crowded space by building real relationships and creating meaningful content that resonates with audiences. The conversation also touches on the necessity of maintaining an updated LinkedIn profile and the strategic use of various content formats to enhance visibility and engagement.Connect with Michelle and sign up for her LinkedIn Newsletter here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellejraymond/ and check out Michelle's podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/social-media-for-b2b-growth-linkedin-strategy-for-b2b/id1603908569TAKEAWAYSLinkedIn is becoming noisier and harder to trust, but authenticity can help you stand out.Building real relationships is more valuable than chasing viral trends.Your LinkedIn profile should be treated like your homepage; keep it updated and engaging.Engagement pods may provide short-term visibility but can undermine long-term credibility.Consistency in posting and genuine interaction are key to leveraging LinkedIn effectively.CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to LinkedIn Expertise02:16 Current State of LinkedIn05:29 Authenticity vs. Automation09:40 The Impact of AI on Content11:40 Standing Out in a Homogenised Space15:37 The Importance of Building Relationships19:04 The Temptation of Quick Fixes24:25 Integrity in Online Presence26:24 Building a Community on LinkedIn27:29 The Challenge of Engagement Pods29:39 Navigating LinkedIn's Algorithm Changes31:12 The Importance of Reciprocity on LinkedIn34:31 Strategic Commenting for Engagement36:54 Creating Effective Content on LinkedIn44:46 Maximising Your LinkedIn Profile52:30 Final thoughtsVisit presentinfluence.com/quiz to take the Speaker Radiance Quiz and discover your Charisma Quotient.For speaking enquiries or to connect with me, you can email john@presentinfluence.com or find me on LinkedInYou can find all our clips, episodes and more on the Present Influence YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@PresentInfluenceThanks for listening, and please give the show a 5* review if you enjoyed it.

This episode marks Rose Claverie's conversation with Sunny Bates for the Harvest Series.Recorded at Harvest in Kaplankaya, they come together to explore a question that feels increasingly urgent in our modern world: what does real connection truly mean?In this thoughtful and expansive dialogue, Sunny Bates challenges transactional networking and reframes connection as an act of generosity, curiosity, and courage. Reflecting on community, asking, and vulnerability, this episode is a powerful reminder that human connection remains one of our most essential tools.Chapters00:00 – Welcome to Harvest00:29 – What makes a connection extraordinary01:14 – Sunny Bates' work and background01:53 – Networking without discomfort02:30 – Shyness, asking, and vulnerability03:48 – Becoming a connector from childhood05:12 – Why people fear uncomfortable personalities06:00 – Giving generously and transformation06:10 – How travel reshaped connection07:31 – Networks, generosity, and ripple effects08:25 – Introverts, extroverts, and curiosity09:29 – Managing energy and meaningful interactions10:39 – Hiring, trust, and deep evaluation12:08 – Approaching busy or guarded people13:53 – When connection becomes transactional15:02 – Personal mission and alignment16:05 – Rejection, fear, and asking again17:25 – Phones, avoidance, and modern disconnection18:46 – Advising TED and building communities20:26 – Sustaining engaged communities22:02 – Connection as political resistance24:14 – Regretful connections and responsibility28:24 – Courage, motherhood, and career risk32:14 – The courage to ask32:54 – Closing reflectionsYou can follow us on Instagram at @HarvestSeries or @rose.claverie for updates.Watch our podcast episodes and speaker sessions on YouTube: Harvest Series.Credits:Sound editing by: @lesbellesfrequencesTechnician in Kaplankaya: Joel MoriasiMusic by: ChambordHarvest Series is produced in partnership with Athena Advisers and Capital PartnersHarvest Series Founders: Burak Öymen and Roman Carel

In this live conversation, I'm joined by Aki of MINKA Mystery School to talk about C.O.R.E. (Consciousness of Radical Equity) a 15-month leadership training weaving equity, spirituality, and embodiment.We explore what leadership asks of us right now, why decolonial practice is inseparable from spiritual integrity, and how we can build lives and businesses that feel like sanctuaries, not performances.Inside this video:✨ What “apocalypse” really means (hint: revelation)✨ Why discomfort isn't the point, liberation is✨ Practicing accountability without shame✨ Money, reciprocity, and abundance beyond extractive capitalism✨ Building community strong enough to hold real transformationIf you're a healer, coach, facilitator, organizer, or simply someone who feels the call to help create a more just and loving world, this conversation is for you. If you're a healer, coach, facilitator, organizer, or simply someone who feels the call to help create a more just and loving world, this conversation is for you: https://www.minkamysteryschool.com/consciousness-of-radical-equity-leadership-trainingLearn more about all of my programs and offerings at melaniemonaco.comConnect on IG @melanierosemonaco00:00 Introduction and Welcoming Aki01:49 Discussing Leadership and Its Importance04:51 Introduction to Consciousness of Radical Equity (CORE)06:08 Evolution and Impact of Minka09:32 Challenges and Realizations in Social Justice Work11:23 Details of the CORE Program20:59 The Importance of Reciprocity in Abundance27:04 The Power of Money in Shifting Power Dynamics27:57 The Role of Money in Collective Liberation29:31 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome in Business30:48 Spirituality in Business: A Personal Journey33:23 Creating a Sanctuary Through Business35:43 The Importance of Anti-Racism Work44:41 Interconnectedness and Spirituality in Equity Work45:29 Opportunities for Deeper Spiritual and Professional Growth46:52 Final Thoughts and Reflections

For this episode, Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin spoke with Tania de Jong AM, an award-winning social entrepreneur, acclaimed soprano, inspirational speaker and storyteller, creative alchemist, philanthropist and spiritual journey woman. Many of our listeners wanted to learn more about the power of music for healing and the neuroscience of singing together, so in this episode we explore all of that – as well as the rescheduling of psychedelic medicines in Australia, building an ecosystem for accessible and affordable treatment, how therapists become authorized prescribers, and what other countries can learn from this pioneering approach.Tania was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia, and has also been named in the 100 Women of Influence, 100 Most Influential Entrepreneurs in Australia, and 100 Most Influential People in Psychedelics globally. She has developed six businesses and four charities including: Creative Universe, Creativity Australia and the With One Voice program, Creative Innovation Global, Mind Medicine Australia, Umbrella Foundation and Driftwood The Musical, Pot-Pourri and The Song Room. Thanks for listening! If you'd like to support the nonprofit Modern Spirit and our podcast, you can make a donation HERE. There, you can also access links to Dr. Tafur's newsletter and Patreon. More information about Tania:  Her website & Instagram  Her TED talk - How Singing Together Changes The Brain Learn more about Mind Medicine Australia, Pot-Pourri group and Creativity Australia's With One Voice programs (alleviating loneliness, depression and social isolation).  A Keynote video  Listen to her music here (you can hear Circle of Life 30 mins in and Don't Go Back to Sleep at 33 mins - both from The Breezes at Dawn album). Her Spotify playlist for psychedelics  NEW SINGLE: Walking Each Other Home – Inspired by Ram Dass and Our Shared Human Journey. Access full music video or download for free. Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction to Tania de Jong AM(03:25) Tania's Journey into Psychedelics(06:52) Life-Changing Experiences with Psilocybin(08:19) Founding a Charity for Psychedelic Treatments(09:34) Australia Becomes First Country in the World to Reschedule Psilocybin and MDMA(12:10) Communicating Through Skepticism & Taboo(17:59) Training Therapists for Psychedelic Therapy(22:32) How Psychedelic Treatments Currently Work in Australia(25:27) Costs, Funding, Insurance & Access to Treatments (29:21) The Power of Music in Healing(33:44) Ethics and Overmedication in the Modern World(37:29) Healing Together Through Voice, Community & Reciprocity(41:07) The Neuroscience of Singing Together(43:49) Music and Visionary Experiences(47:23) Integrating Music into Healing Practices (51:07) Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts

Synopsis:  In conversation with Laura Flanders, ecologist and activist Professor Robin Wall Kimmerer discusses how embracing ecological grief can be a powerful catalyst for change in restoring balance between humans and the Earth they inhabit.Make a tax deductible YEAR END DONATION and become a member go to LauraFlanders.org/donate. This show is made possible by you! Description:  When was the last time you listened to the plants? Plant ecologist Robin Wall Kimmerer, a self-proclaimed “student of the plants,” has dedicated her life to helping people of all ages understand the symbiotic relationship between humans and nature. Her latest initiative “Plant Baby Plant” does exactly that, by mobilizing communities to restore plants while building collective power for the Earth. Kimmerer is a distinguished professor, MacArthur Fellow, mother and an enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. Her 2013 book “Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants” emerged as a surprise bestseller with almost three million copies sold across 20 languages. In this enlightening episode, Robin Wall Kimmerer and Laura Flanders explore how nature can inform our language, our economy, our movements and more. As you'll hear, our survival depends on it. Plus, a commentary from Laura on what it took to separate people from nature. Hint: it wasn't peaceful.“I think it is so important that we embrace ecological grief rather than look away . . . When we recognize that pain we feel for our relationships with the natural world is also the measure of our love for the living world. It's that love which is mirrored in the grief that makes you get back up and say, ‘Not on my watch.'” - Robin Wall Kimmerer“. . . We have to kind of decolonize our minds from this industrial revolution concept that the Earth belongs to us as a source of nothing more than belongings, natural resources that are our property . . . There is this notion in many Indigenous worldviews that human beings play a critical role in maintaining balance, that the way we take from the living world can actually be regenerative.” - Robin Wall KimmererGuest:  Robin Wall Kimmerer: Plant Ecologist, Writer, Professor; Founder, Plant Baby Plant; Author, Braiding Sweetgrass*Recommended book:Bookshop: “The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World” by Robin Wall Kimmerer: Get the book*  And to accompany the book:(*Bookshop is an online bookstore with a mission to financially support local, independent bookstores. The LF Show is an affiliate of bookshop.org and will receive a small commission if you click through and make a purchase.)Watch the episode released on YouTube; PBS World Channel Sundays at 11:30am and on over 300 public stations across the country (check your listings, or search here via zipcode). Listen: Episode airing on community radio (check here to see if your station airs the show) & available as a podcast January 7th, 2026.Full Episode Notes are located HERE.Related Podcast:  Full uncut conversation is available in the podcast feed.Music Credit: “Ode to Nature” by Hover Fly from the Climate Soundtrack Compilation produced by DJ's for Climate Action, "Steppin" by Podington Bear, and original sound design by Jeannie HopperSupport Laura Flanders and Friends by becoming a member at https://www.patreon.com/c/lauraflandersandfriends RESOURCES:Related Laura Flanders Show Episodes:•  Survival Guide for Humans Learned from Marine Mammals with Alexis Pauline Gumbs:  Watch / Listen:  Episode Cut and Full Uncut Conversation•  Ecology: The Infrastructure of the Future?: Watch / Listen:  Episode Cut• Peter Linebaugh on International Workers' "May Day" Origins. Plus, Commentary: 19th Century Anarchist Lucy Parsons, Listen•  Yellowstone at 150: Can Indigenous Stewardship Save Our Parks?:  Watch / Listen:  Episode CutRelated Articles and Resources:•  Speaking of Nature:  Finding language that affirms our kinship with the natural world, by Robin Wall Kimmerer, Orion Nature and Culture•  Watch:  Gifts of the Land:  A Guided Nature Tour with Robin Wall Kimmerer, The Commons KU• The Braiding Sweetgrass' Author Wants Us to Give Thanks Everyday, by Alexander Alter, November 29, 2024, New York Times•  Fishing in a superfund site:  Onondaga Lake's road to recovery, by Bee Kavanaugh, SUNY Environmental Science and Forestry, January 2, 2025, Planet Forward  Laura Flanders and Friends Crew: Laura Flanders-Executive Producer, Writer; Sabrina Artel-Supervising Producer; Jeremiah Cothren-Senior Producer; Veronica Delgado-Video Editor, Janet Hernandez-Communications Director; Jeannie Hopper-Audio Director, Podcast & Radio Producer, Audio Editor, Sound Design, Narrator; Sarah Miller-Development Director, Nat Needham-Editor, Graphic Design emeritus; David Neuman-Senior Video Editor, and Rory O'Conner-Senior Consulting Producer. FOLLOW Laura Flanders and FriendsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraflandersandfriends/Blueky: https://bsky.app/profile/lfandfriends.bsky.socialFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/LauraFlandersAndFriends/Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lauraflandersandfriendsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFLRxVeYcB1H7DbuYZQG-lgLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lauraflandersandfriendsPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/lauraflandersandfriendsACCESSIBILITY - The broadcast edition of this episode is available with closed captioned by clicking here for our YouTube Channel

Synopsis:  Plant ecologist Robin Wall Kimmerer, a self-proclaimed “student of the plants,” has dedicated her life to helping people of all ages understand the symbiotic relationship between humans and nature. Her latest initiative “Plant Baby Plant” does exactly that, by mobilizing communities to restore plants while building collective power for the Earth.Make a tax deductible YEAR END DONATION and become a member go to LauraFlanders.org/donate. This show is made possible by you! Description: When was the last time you listened to the plants? Plant ecologist Robin Wall Kimmerer, a self-proclaimed “student of the plants,” has dedicated her life to helping people of all ages understand the symbiotic relationship between humans and nature. Her latest initiative “Plant Baby Plant” does exactly that, by mobilizing communities to restore plants while building collective power for the Earth. Kimmerer is a distinguished professor, MacArthur Fellow, mother and an enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. Her 2013 book “Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants” emerged as a surprise bestseller with almost three million copies sold across 20 languages. In this enlightening episode, Robin Wall Kimmerer and Laura Flanders explore how nature can inform our language, our economy, our movements and more. As you'll hear, our survival depends on it. Plus, a commentary from Laura on what it took to separate people from nature. Hint: it wasn't peaceful.“. . . We have to kind of decolonize our minds from this industrial revolution concept that the Earth belongs to us as a source of nothing more than belongings, natural resources that are our property . . . There is this notion in many Indigenous worldviews that human beings play a critical role in maintaining balance, that the way we take from the living world can actually be regenerative.” - Robin Wall KimmererGuest:  Robin Wall Kimmerer,  Plant Ecologist, Writer, Professor; Founder, Plant Baby Plant; Author, Braiding Sweetgrass*Recommended book:Bookshop: “The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World” by Robin Wall Kimmerer: Get the book*  And to accompany the book:The Serviceberry Discussion Guide(*Bookshop is an online bookstore with a mission to financially support local, independent bookstores. The LF Show is an affiliate of bookshop.org and will receive a small commission if you click through and make a purchase.)Watch the episode released on YouTube; PBS World Channel December 4th, 2026 and on over 300 public stations across the country (check your listings, or search here via zipcode). Listen: Episode airing on community radio (check here to see if your station airs the show) & available as a podcast December 7th, 2026.Full Episode Notes are located HERE.Full Conversation Release: While our weekly shows are edited to time for broadcast on Public TV and community radio, we offer to our members and podcast subscribers the full uncut conversation. Music Credit:  'Thrum of Soil' by Bluedot Sessions, 'Steppin' by Podington Bear, and original sound design by Jeannie HopperSupport Laura Flanders and Friends by becoming a member at https://www.patreon.com/c/lauraflandersandfriends RESOURCES:Related Laura Flanders Show Episodes:•  Survival Guide for Humans Learned from Marine Mammals with Alexis Pauline Gumbs:  Watch / Listen:  Episode Cut and Full Uncut Conversation•  Ecology: The Infrastructure of the Future?: Watch / Listen:  Episode Cut•  Yellowstone at 150: Can Indigenous Stewardship Save Our Parks?:  Watch / Listen:  Episode CutRelated Articles and Resources:•  Speaking of Nature:  Finding language that affirms our kinship with the natural world, by Robin Wall Kimmerer, Orion Nature and Culture•  Watch:  Gifts of the Land:  A Guided Nature Tour with Robin Wall Kimmerer, The Commons KU• The Braiding Sweetgrass' Author Wants Us to Give Thanks Everyday, by Alexander Alter, November 29, 2024, New York Times•  Fishing in a superfund site:  Onondaga Lake's road to recovery, by Bee Kavanaugh, SUNY Environmental Science and Forestry, January 2, 2025, Planet Forward Laura Flanders and Friends Crew: Laura Flanders-Executive Producer, Writer; Sabrina Artel-Supervising Producer; Jeremiah Cothren-Senior Producer; Veronica Delgado-Video Editor, Janet Hernandez-Communications Director; Jeannie Hopper-Audio Director, Podcast & Radio Producer, Audio Editor, Sound Design, Narrator; Sarah Miller-Development Director, Nat Needham-Editor, Graphic Design emeritus; David Neuman-Senior Video Editor, and Rory O'Conner-Senior Consulting Producer. FOLLOW Laura Flanders and FriendsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauraflandersandfriends/Blueky: https://bsky.app/profile/lfandfriends.bsky.socialFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/LauraFlandersAndFriends/Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lauraflandersandfriendsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFLRxVeYcB1H7DbuYZQG-lgLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lauraflandersandfriendsPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/lauraflandersandfriendsACCESSIBILITY - The broadcast edition of this episode is available with closed captioned by clicking here for our YouTube Channel

In this first episode of 2026, Karen shares a raw, chronological wrap-up of the most powerful lessons 2025 taught her—through health, emotional healing, nervous system regulation, faith, Human Design, boundaries, and self-worth. This episode is a lived-experience transmission about what happens when you stop bypassing your emotions, stop playing small, and finally learn the difference between surrender and fear-based giving up. What you'll hear in this episode Why Karen records when the message is ready—not on a schedule—and how that's aligned with her Human Design How 2025 felt like “six lifetimes in one year”… and why the lessons finally integrated in November/December The surprising way a physical cleanse became a metaphor for an emotional cleanse What “as within, so without” looked like in real time (symptoms, signals, patterns, clues) How nervous system regulation revealed a truth she couldn't “mindset” her way around The core wound that linked everything: the invisible girl / making herself too small Why being “easygoing” was actually self-abandonment in disguise A deeper definition of surrender: trusting the outcome after you've expanded your self-worth capacity The difference between boundaries from authenticity vs boundaries from ego The line that changed everything: “Your personality is your personal reality.” Why Human Design helped her finally understand her energy sensitivity, timing resistance, and emotional permeability The “upper limit” problem: why you can get close to what you want… but can't hold it or repeat it The lesson of reciprocity: giving endlessly without receiving as a mirror (not a character flaw in others) The spiritual arc of the year: from being mad at God… to making peace, and trusting again The 2025 lessons Karen names (organized + titled) 1) The Cleanse That Turned Into a Life Cleanse What started as a liver/health cleanse became a full-body “truth cleanse”—revealing how much the body holds emotionally. 2) Your Body Keeps Score (Even If Your Mind Thinks You're Fine) She realized she had mastered “silver lining mindset”… but her nervous system and body were still carrying what she hadn't processed. 3) Nervous System Regulation Isn't a Vibe—It's a Before & After Somatic work, EMDR-inspired practices, energy work, reflexology, and body awareness showed her what regulation actually feels like. 4) The Bad Door: The Emotions You Avoid Hold the Keys Once the door opens, it's an avalanche—but also the beginning of freedom. 5) Surrender vs Fear-Based Exhaustion Surrender isn't “fine, I'll tolerate it.” It's alignment with an outcome you're truly expanded enough to hold. 6) Upper Limits: Why You Can't Keep What You Don't Believe Is Possible If you can't repeat the outcome, you haven't expanded enough to sustain it. The work is widening your capacity. 7) The Invisible Girl Pattern Making yourself small, “low maintenance,” endlessly accommodating… creates a reality where people don't see you—because you trained them not to. 8) Reciprocity and Self-Worth Giving without receiving wasn't kindness—it was a nervous-system safety strategy and a self-worth wound. 9) Boundaries Without the Chip on Your Shoulder Boundaries from authenticity are powerful. Boundaries from ego still keep you trapped. 10) Be For Something, Not Against Something Energy aimed at resentment and “showing them” blocks outcomes. Energy aimed at what you're building expands outcomes. 11) Human Design as a Practical Roadmap Understanding her sensitivity, timing, and energetic permeability helped her stop personalizing everything—and start protecting her system.   “I thought it was going to be the year of ease… and then I got waylaid with tests on tests on tests.” “It wasn't ‘ease' as in easy… it was ease as in I could finally move through the lessons and finish them.” “Your body will tell you what problems you actually have—emotionally and physically.” “Mindset change isn't enough. It's not behavior. It's energetic.” “If you can't repeat the outcome, you haven't expanded enough.” “I wasn't invisible because people were mean. I was invisible because I made myself microscopic.” “You can't be against something. You have to be for something.” “2025, you sucked… but you made me powerful in the happiest way.” If you're in a season of shedding, recalibrating, or learning how to stop abandoning yourself—please don't do it alone. I've got openings right now through The Experience Project for women who want grounded, practical support: readings, workshops, and ways to connect in community.  See what's available: EVENTS | kbaldridge       #Mindset #SelfCare #GrowthMindset #PersonalGrowth #SelfWorth #NervousSystemRegulation #HealingJourney #FaithJourney #WomenSupportingWomen

What if healing wasn't about fixing symptoms but about restoring relationship?What if true healing isn't about fixing what's broken, but restoring right relationship with your body, your spirit, and the natural world? In this episode, we explore kambo, a powerful frog medicine rooted in Indigenous tradition, with three experienced practitioners. Amber Voiles, Lisa Parker, and Jamie Bowers share how kambo is ethically sourced, applied in ceremony, and approached as a regulator that supports physical, emotional, and spiritual alignment.You can find show notes, resources and more at: https://tinyurl.com/mu8ufm97  Are you called to serve the healing of our world? Join our microdosing facilitator program! You'll learn everything you need to know to become a resourced, skilled, and confident microdosing guide.Visit microdosingforhealing.com/professionaltraining

Concealed carry reciprocity is frequently a hot-button issue both in the Second Amendment community and those who oppose it. Once again Congress is attempting to resolve the issue via legislation, and The National Fraternal Order of Police is opposing it. Let's look at both sides of this story.

My links:My Ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/rhetoricrevolutionSend me a voice message!: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/liam-connerlyTikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@mrconnerly?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc⁠Email: ⁠rhetoricrevolution@gmail.com⁠Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/connerlyliam/Podcast | Latin in Layman's - A Rhetoric Revolution https://open.spotify.com/show/0EjiYFx1K4lwfykjf5jApM?si=b871da6367d74d92YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MrConnerly _____________________________________________________________Alexiou,Margaret. 2002. The Ritual Lament in Greek Tradition. 2nd ed. Lanham,MD: Rowman and Littlefield.Cairns,Douglas L. 1993. Aidōs: The Psychology and Ethics of Honour and Shame inAncient Greek Literature. Oxford: Clarendon Press.Cook,Erwin. 2003. “The Function of Apoina in the Iliad.” Phoenix57 (1–2): 1–20.Crotty,Kevin. 1994. The Poetics of Supplication: Homer's Iliad and Odyssey.Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.Donlan,Walter. 1982. “Reciprocity in Homer.” Classical Philology 77 (2):97–107.Garland,Robert. 1985. The Greek Way of Death. Ithaca, NY: Cornell UniversityPress.Gould,John. 1973. “Hiketeia.” Journal of Hellenic Studies 93: 74–103.Griffin,Jasper. 1980. Homer on Life and Death. Oxford: Clarendon Press.Homer.2011. Iliad. Edited by D. B. Monro and T. W. Allen. Perseus DigitalLibrary. (Used for line reference.)Mackie,Hilary Susan. 2001. “Homeric Iliad 24.25–54: The Death of Hector and the ‘DumbEarth'.” Classical Quarterly 51 (1): 1–11.Mauss,Marcel. 1990. The Gift: The Form and Reason for Exchange in ArchaicSocieties. Translated by W. D. Halls. London: Routledge.Naiden, F.S. 2006. Ancient Supplication. Oxford: Oxford University Press.Parker,Robert. 1983. Miasma: Pollution and Purification in Early Greek Religion.Oxford: Clarendon Press.Redfield,James M. 1975. Nature and Culture in the Iliad: The Tragedy of Hector.Chicago: University of Chicago Press.Richardson,Nicholas. 1993. The Iliad: A Commentary. Vol. 6, Books 21–24.Edited by G. S. Kirk. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.Schein,Seth L. 1984. The Mortal Hero: An Introduction to Homer's Iliad.Berkeley: University of California Press.Seaford,Richard. 1994. Reciprocity and Ritual: Homer and Tragedy in the DevelopingCity-State. Oxford: Clarendon Press.Shay,Jonathan. 1994. Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing ofCharacter. New York: Scribner.Tsagalis,Christos. 2004. Epic Grief: Personal Lament in Homer's Iliad. Berlin:Walter de Gruyter.Whitman,Cedric H. 1958. Homer and the Heroic Tradition. Cambridge, MA: HarvardUniversity Press.Zecchin deFasano, Giulia. 2007. “Suplicio y reconocimiento: Príamo y Aquiles en IlíadaXXIV.472–551.” Synthesis 7: 57–68. 

So many business owners hesitate to reach out for collaborations or referrals because they're convinced they don't have enough to offer in return. Maybe your audience feels too small, maybe you can't refer clients back, or maybe it just feels awkward to ask without a perfectly equal trade lined up. In this episode of Sequence Over Strategy, Michelle breaks down why that way of thinking is holding you back and why real reciprocity rarely looks like a simple one-for-one exchange.ResourcesThe Michelle Warner Networking That Pays Free Workshop Previous Episodes

In this episode of Next Economy Now, Erin Axelrod speaks with Fabiola Santiago, founder and executive director of Mi Oaxaca, about what Indigenous worldviews can teach us about belonging, reciprocity, and everyday consumption. Drawing from her experience as a diasporic Zapotec woman from Oaxaca and a public health researcher, Fabiola explores the hidden systems behind mezcal, food, and tourism, and how extraction and cultural appropriation shape communities and ecosystems. The conversation invites listeners to rethink how they relate to culture, place, and what they consume, and to imagine a slower, more regenerative economy rooted in care and mutual responsibility.View the show notes: https://www.lifteconomy.com/blog/choosing-home-in-a-time-of-displacement-w/-fabiola-santiagoSupport the show

Third week of December, what'd you miss in vet med?NAVLE to undergo auditOffer to acquire PetMedsMI:RNA closes Series BHelloVets closes Series BIndiana bill to entice practitionersHelpful links:The Bird Bath substack

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Grandpa Bill's New YouTube: Silver Streaker Workouts, Mnemonics & Maine Mentor MomentsYouTube Description:BillHolt @billholt8792Hey everybody! I'm Grandpa Bill, your Host and Moderator, and today marks the exciting launch of my revamped YouTube channel! We're transitioning to short, focused Silver Streaker Workouts and Maine Mentor Moments—daily vlogs that are Good for ALL Kids from 1 to 92! This new format is packed with Holistic Healing insights, Geriatrics Workouts, and valuable Retirement Tips.The New Daily Structure: Join me every day for a dose of motivation, exercise, and memory training!Daily Workouts: Focus on Balance Training, Mobility Drills, and Active Aging tips.Maine Mentor Moments: I'm teaching Life & Business Mnemonics using the PAO Major System and my unique Memory Palace with my granddaughter, Adah! Learn Life Skills and boost your Financial Wellness.

Networking in biotech doesn't have to feel awkward or transactional. In this episode, Carina shares how giving first is the simplest way to build authentic biotech networking on LinkedIn that actually leads to stronger relationships and better opportunities.If you're an introvert, early-career professional, or making a career change, this is your practical roadmap to connect with confidence.In this episode, you'll learn:Why “give first” makes networking feel easier (and work better)How to add value even if you're early in your career or switching fieldsWhat to say when you feel you've got nothing to offerThe biggest outreach mistakes that make messages feel transactionalSimple LinkedIn actions that build visibility and trust over timeInsights from the Biotech Career Coach community's December networking challenge (and what drove major reach growth)Want support, templates, and challenges to stay consistent?✅ Join the Biotech Career Coach Skool community to connect with peers, access templates, and take part in challenges to grow your LinkedIn presence and your biotech network.Learn more about the Collaboratory Career Hub community and access our free resources:Join our Skool CommunityTake the Free 7-day Interview Sprint ChallengeCheck out our sister podcast: Building BiotechsSend Carina a connection request on LinkedIn!Stay connected with us:

In this engaging episode of the Meditative Prayers podcast, hosted by the insightful Zach Clinton and available on Pray.com, we delve into the meaningful concept of reciprocity within our spiritual community. Along our spiritual odyssey, there are instances when cultivating reciprocity and experiencing the divine give-and-take becomes a central yearning. These moments not only deepen our faith but also rejuvenate our connections, propelling us towards our individual dreams. The steadfast truth endures: guided by the Lord, we inherently possess the capacity to manifest these aspirations, uncovering renewed hope and purpose in our journey. Rooted in sacred scriptures, we embark on an exploration of this transformative human experience. For those seeking guidance in fostering reciprocity on their faith journey, we extend a heartfelt invitation to explore the Pray.com app. By downloading it today, you can embark on a transformative journey of faith and resilience, deeply anchored in the unwavering presence of the Divine. Together, let us wholeheartedly embrace the remarkable potential for reciprocity within us, discovering boundless inspiration and strength during our shared spiritual pilgrimage. Join us in this enlightening episode as we venture toward a profound understanding of cultivating reciprocity in our spiritual aspirations, uncovering the extraordinary sense of fulfillment that resides within each one of us. Embracing the practice of praying before slumber is more than just a routine; it's an avenue to recenter your heart, aligning it with God's purpose. Let Pray.com's Meditative Prayer be a nightly companion, deepening your bond with the Almighty and settling your spirit for a serene night's rest.Zach Clinton is from the American Association of Christian Counselors, for more information please visit: https://aacc.net/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Chelsea and Abbie announce our new Winter Reading Program for children, teens, and adults, and other program happenings. Listen in to find out how to win prizes. Books discussed and recommended include: Peter & the Wolf by Gavin FridayThe Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World by Robin Wall Kimmerer 

Trudy and Lisa look back on 2025 and talk about what they've learned from another year of CroneCast. As they look ahead to 2026, they reflect on the meaning of giving, their deep hopes, and what it takes to be fearless. Read our blog: CroneCast.caShare your questions and comments at cronecast.ca/contact.  We want to hear from you about all things crone.(02:12) - Wrapping up the year (09:28) - Reciprocity (18:00) - The pleasure of giving (26:18) - What did you learn this year? --Credits-- Hosted by Trudy Callaghan and Lisa Austin Produced by Odvod MediaAudio Engineering by Steve GlenOriginal music by Darrin Hagen

Artificial intelligence or AI's huge appetite for power is reviving demand for older and dirtier fossil fuel energy. We talk about the massive data centers that power AI, community pushback, and how AI seems to be putting vital climate targets out of reach.  Also, the Make America Healthy Again or MAHA movement has pinpointed some health concerns backed up by credible research, including concerns about pesticides such as the probable carcinogen glyphosate, the key ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup. But after agribusiness lobbying the Trump Administration erased pesticides from its MAHA Commission report.  And Braiding Sweetgrass author Robin Wall Kimmerer is also the author of a 2024 book that continues her explorations of gift economies. She shares insights from The Serviceberry: Abundance and Reciprocity in the Natural World and how gift economies can offer an alternative to overconsumption. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A Decolonial Invitation to Remember, Relearn, and Resist From a live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025) a live conversation with Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo. Their discussion emphasizes the importance of ancestral wisdom, collective healing, and the decolonization of therapeutic practices. Dr. Mullan shares her personal journey of reconciling traditional healing methods with modern therapy and explores the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma. The conversation also highlights the significance of land, lineage, and community in the healing process, and addresses the ways in which therapy can be transformed to be more inclusive and effective for diverse populations. Dr. Mullan shares from her journey of calling therapists into a politicized practice—one rooted in responsibility, reverence, and collective liberation. The conversation challenges clinicians to confront their training, interrogate their privilege, and participate in the sacred labor of relearning. Topics 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 00:30 Honoring Ancestral Wisdom 01:54 Introducing Iya Affo 04:23 Meet Dr. Jennifer Mullan 05:22 The Non-Neutrality of Therapy 10:39 Decolonizing Therapy: A Deep Dive 14:33 Therapy and Boundaries 27:42 The Historical Impact on Therapy 31:24 Shining a Light on Hidden History 31:55 Finding Safe Spaces for Vulnerability 32:21 Therapeutic Contexts and Trauma 33:45 Bridging and Reciprocity in Healing 37:04 Colonial Soul Wound and Historical Trauma 39:39 Reclaiming Ancestral Pathways 42:25 Decolonizing Therapy for All 45:43 Healing Across Layered Dimensions 54:50 Embracing Sacred Rage and Grief 58:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Robert Cialdini is a world-leading psychologist and bestselling author whose groundbreaking research on the science of influence has shaped modern understanding of persuasion and decision-making. Often called the godfather of influence, he introduced the now-classic principles of persuasion that guide leaders, marketers, and communicators around the globe. He is the author of the seminal books Influence and Pre-Suasion, which have sold millions of copies and been translated into dozens of languages. Cialdini's work continues to define best practices in ethical persuasion, earning him recognition as one of the most influential behavioral scientists of our time. 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Robert Cialdini 03:00 Principles of Ethical Influence 09:00 The Power of Reciprocity 15:00 Commitment and Consistency 21:00 Social Proof and Authority 27:00 Unity: The New Principle 33:00 Personal Insights and Anecdotes 39:00 Practical Applications of Influence

His book Influence sold 5 million times.  He's known as the Godfather of Influence.  He's arguably the best-known behavioural science practitioner.  And he's finally (after years of pestering) joining me on Nudge.  Ladies and gentlemen, today I present:  Robert Cialdini and the persuasion principles that EVERYONE should memorise. ---  Cialdini's Influence Unleashed Event: https://cialdini.com/decevent Unlock the Nudge Vaults: https://www.nudgepodcast.com/vaults Read Cialdini's bestseller Influence: https://amzn.to/4prHb7Y Read the new and expanded Influence: https://amzn.to/43TY0jI Read Pre-Suasion: https://amzn.to/48hA6Qr  Read Yes! (Containing 60 Psyc-Marketing Tips): https://amzn.to/48ddNNf  Join 10,142 readers of my newsletter: https://www.nudgepodcast.com/mailing-list  Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phill-agnew/  ---  Today's sources: Agnew, P. (Host). (2021, November 22). #69: Reciprocity | How one nudge saved 246,184 lives [Audio podcast episode]. In Nudge – Marketing Science Simplified. YouTube. https://youtu.be/0QxcahCnoCs Cialdini, R. B. (1984). Influence: The psychology of persuasion. HarperCollins. Cialdini, R. B., Cacioppo, J. T., Bassett, R., & Miller, J. A. (1978). Low-ball procedure for producing compliance: Commitment then cost. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 36(5), 463–476. Deutsch, M., & Gerard, H. B. (1955). A study of normative and informational social influences upon individual judgment. The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 51(3), 629–636. Friedman, H. H., & Rahman, A. (2011). The effect of a gift-upon-entry on sales: Reciprocity in a retailing context. International Journal of Business and Social Science, 2(15), 155–162. Regan, D. T. (1971). Effects of a favor and liking on compliance. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 7(6), 627–639.

HR 38 is the biggest national gun-rights fight coming, and it could finally force every state to honor your concealed carry the same way they honor your driver's license. The bill would let law-abiding gun owners carry across all 50 states under their home-state rules — and that's exactly why police unions are trying to shut it down. They're claiming it threatens "officer safety" and "qualified immunity," while gun owners see it as the most important step toward restoring a real, nationwide right to self-defense. In this episode, we break down what HR 38 actually does, why cops are pushing back, what it means for constitutional carry states, and how this will shape the 2026 election fight over the future of the Second Amendment. Also in this episode The crew breaks down why police unions oppose HR 38 and what their letter reveals about outdated assumptions toward armed citizens. A master mediator explains how his mediation method exposes the "enemy trance" and why Dakota's episode showed how hard it still is for people to trust the other side. SDCGO Ugly Sweater Party - are you going? Sam fields a listener question about the Lee-Enfield rifle. Dakota analyzes an Alpha Female Tactical video on drawing a gun while holding a baby and explains why force-on-force data shows it's often safer to put the child down Get involved with SDCGO and support the organization by showing up! It's fun, and it's easy! https://sdcgo.org/volunteer Watch an excerpt from Michael's recent interview on the Loaded Mic with Dan Wos: Why Glock is being sued for illegal auto-sears they didn't make — and why the lawsuit is 100% "ridiculous." The right to self-defense is a basic human right. Gun ownership is an integral part of that right. If you want to keep your Second Amendment rights, defend them by joining San Diego County Gun Owners (SDCGO), Orange County Gun Owners (OCGO), or Inland Empire Gun Owners (IEGO). https://www.sandiegocountygunowners.com https://orangecountygunowners.com http://inlandempiregunowners.com Support the cause by listening to Gun Owners Radio live on Sunday afternoon or on any podcast app at your leisure. Together we will win. SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT YOUR SELF DEFENSE RIGHTS! Get expert legal advice on any firearm-related issues: https://dillonlawgp.com Smarter web development and digital marketing help: https://www.sagetree.com Clean your guns easier, faster, and safer! https://seal1.com Get your cases & outdoor gear at C.A.R.G.O in El Cajon or visit them at https://cargostores.com

The conversation delves into the complexities of relationship problems faced by couples, emphasizing the common issues stemming from parenting and intimacy. It highlights the tendency of couples to seek external advice rather than resolving conflicts directly, and critiques the reliance on legal solutions for emotional and relational problems, advocating for a more psychological approach.Key TakeawaysCouples often face problems related to parenting or intimacy.Many couples avoid negotiating their issues directly.External influences complicate conflict resolution.Legal solutions are often misapplied to emotional problems.Emotional and relational issues require psychological approaches.Communication is key in resolving marital conflicts.Seeking help from friends or family can lead to confusion.Understanding the root cause of problems is essential.Negotiation skills are crucial for couples.Legal tools do not address emotional needs.Chapter1:20 - Systems theory meets family courts 2:44 - Family patterns and learned levers 4:16 - Attachment shifts during pregnancy 5:23 - Limits to self-reflection and change 6:59 - Expanding system: courts and professionals 7:52 - How politics shape couple conflict 11:04 - GDP, school pressure, and home stress 13:07 - Navigating legal systems in divorce 15:04 - Reciprocity and influence in relationships 17:05 - No legal fix for emotional needs 19:10 - Prevention through systemic therapy 21:07 - Challenging constructs and parenting norms 23:05 - Journal and master's on alienation 25:07 - Closing reflections and resourcesIf you wish to connect with Lawrence Joss or any of the PA-A community members who have appeared as guests on the podcast:Email - familydisappeared@gmail.comLinktree: https://linktr.ee/lawrencejoss(All links mentioned in the podcast are available in Linktree)Connect with Dr Charlie Azzopardi:Website: https://ift-malta.com/⁩Courses (IFT Malta): https://ift-malta.com/courses-2/European Journal of Parental Alienation (EJPAP):https://ift-malta.com/elementor-1206/Please donate to support PAA programs:https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=SDLTX8TBSZNXSsa bottom partThis podcast is made possible by the Family Disappeared Team:Anna Johnson- Editor/Contributor/Activist/Co-hostGlaze Gonzales- Podcast ManagerConnect with Lawrence Joss:Website: https://parentalalienationanonymous.com/Email- familydisappeared@gmail.com

1911. Desperate for a distraction from the Navy Question, Wilfrid Laurier is presented with a golden opportunity to fulfill a decades-long ambition by developments in Washington.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-nations-of-canada--4572969/support.

This time of year brings a lot of togetherness… and with it, a lot of unspoken tension. Difficult conversations are the ones you rehearse in your mind or hold back during holiday dinners, worried that saying the wrong thing could create a rift you can't repair. That's why I'm re-releasing this episode on how to have difficult conversations in a way that protects your relationship (and often deepens it) instead of pushing you further apart. We'll talk about why we either avoid hard topics until resentment leaks out, or bring them up in a burst of anger and criticism, and how both patterns wear down trust over time. You'll learn what it actually takes to do this differently: managing emotional flooding, getting honest with yourself before you speak, knowing when a conversation is worth having (and when it's time to set a firm boundary), and shifting the goal from “winning” to mutual understanding so you can stay connected even when you don't agree. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Navigating Difficult Conversations 06:07 Emotional Intelligence & Self-Regulation 17:49 When to Set Boundaries and Walk Away 21:00 Growth Through Discomfort 27:05 Preparing for Hard Conversations 29:53 Seeing Through Others' Eyes 36:08 Handling Polarized Views 42:09 Reciprocity & Healthy Relationships If this episode brings a specific conversation to mind and your stomach flips a little just thinking about it, I have a resource to support you. My Communication That Connects free training takes you deeper into the skills we cover here - practical do's and don'ts for communication that creates understanding, plus real examples you can use with your partner right away. You'll also receive a full workbook with lessons, activities, and homework to help you get to the root of conflict, calm reactive patterns, and build a more emotionally safe connection.  And if you're at the point where you don't want to keep doing this alone, I'd be honored to support you more directly. At Growing Self, you can tell us what's going on in your life and relationships, and we'll help you connect with the right therapist or coach on my team. It's a simple, private way to say, “Here's what I'm struggling with,” and get matched with someone who can walk through it with you. Start that process here: schedule a consultation. You deserve relationships where you can say the hard things, feel truly heard, and still feel loved at the end of the day.

In this episode of the Shifting Focus Podcast, John Bunn pulls back the curtain on what really moves the needle when it comes to getting noticed, trusted, and booked by top wedding planners. Fresh off a packed wedding season and a retreat surrounded by elite planners, John unpacks the mindset shifts, the strategy, and the long-game approach that has helped him grow his business into the luxury space. This one is all about relationships, presence, value, and consistency. Not hacks. Not shortcuts. Just the intentional work that builds a brand planners want to refer again and again. John also shares a teaser for an upcoming mentorship experience designed for creatives ready to level up in 2025. Want to join my private mentorship group that is coming up? email john@johnbunnfilms.com  and say 'i want mentorship' to be added to the list for more info as soon as it is available.

Dr. Stephan Blackwood joins the show to explore how language shapes consciousness, how words reveal the structure of reality, and why meaning is inseparable from relationship. They discuss the logic of reciprocity, the metaphysics of personhood, why civilization depends on truthful speech, and how distortion of language leads to confusion, tyranny, and cultural decay. Stephan explains how grammar and ontology mirror each other, how the Trinity reveals the deepest pattern of relational being, and why we can only know ourselves through our relationships with others — and with the divine. Dr. Stephan Blackwood is a philosopher, cultural critic, and co-founder of Ralston College, whose work focuses on the intersection of theology, art, and human purpose. // GUEST // Website: ⁠https://www.ralston.ac/⁠ X: ⁠https://x.com/stephenblackwd⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@RalstonCollegeSavannah⁠ // SPONSORS // Heart and Soil Supplements (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://heartandsoil.co/ Blockware Solutions: https://mining.blockwaresolutions.com Onramp: https://onrampbitcoin.com/?grsf=breedlove Mindlab Pro: https://www.mindlabpro.com/breedlove The Farm at Okefenokee: https://okefarm.com/ Club Orange: https://www.cluborange.org/ // PRODUCTS I ENDORSE // Protect your mobile phone from SIM swap attacks: https://www.efani.com/breedlove Lineage Provisions (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://lineageprovisions.com/?ref=breedlove Colorado Craft Beef (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://coloradocraftbeef.com/ Salt of the Earth Electrolytes: http://drinksote.com/breedlove Jawzrsize (code RobertBreedlove for 20% off): https://jawzrsize.com // UNLOCK THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD'S BEST NON-FICTION BOOKS // https://course.breedlove.io/ // SUBSCRIBE TO THE CLIPS CHANNEL // /@robertbreedloveclips2996 // TIMESTAMPS // 0:00 – WiM Episode Trailer 1:21 – The Power of Language & the Structure of Reality 12:44 – How Grammar Reflects Being 24:02 – Personhood, Meaning & Relational Existence 33:18 – How Language Shapes Consciousness 38:17 – Heart and Soil Supplements 39:17 – Mine Bitcoin with Blockware Solutions 40:18 – The Crisis of Meaning in Modern Culture 52:11 – The Collapse of Shared Language 1:03:59 – Reciprocity & the Law That Governs Reality 1:17:40 – How Tyranny Begins with Language Corruption 1:33:15 – Onramp Bitcoin Custody 1:34:12 – Mind Lab Pro Supplements 1:35:22 – Truth as the Foundation of Civilization 1:55:40 – The Purpose of Human Speech 2:13:20 – The Farm at Okefenokee 2:14:29 – The Trinity & the Structure of Personhood 2:28:03 – Why Real Communication Requires Sacrifice 2:37:42 – Club Orange 2:38:09 – Culture, Identity & the Need for Shared Meaning 3:04:14 – Efani: Protect Yourself From SIM Swaps 3:05:20 – Unlock the Wisdom of the Best Non-Fiction Books // PODCAST // Podcast Website: https://whatismoneypodcast.com/ Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast… Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/25LPvm8… RSS Feed: https://feeds.simplecast.com/MLdpYXYI // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Bitcoin: 3D1gfxKZKMtfWaD1bkwiR6JsDzu6e9bZQ7 Sats via Strike: https://strike.me/breedlove22 Paypal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/RBreedlove Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/Robert-Br… // SOCIAL // Breedlove X: https://x.com/Breedlove22 WiM? X: https://x.com/WhatisMoneyShow LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/breedlove22 Instagram: https://instagram.com/breedlove_22 TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@robert_breedlove Substack: https://breedlove22.substack.com All My Work: https://linktr.ee/robertbreedlove #language #whatismoney #philosophy #reciprocity #WiM

Send us a textThe Struggles of Reciprocity In The Struggles of Reciprocity, we break down what it really means to give without losing yourself. This episode explores the weight of imbalance, the courage it takes to reclaim your energy, and the power of showing up in relationships with clarity and confidence. Tune in for tools, truths, and motivation to help you build connections that feel healthier, more mutual, and truly aligned with the version of you that's growingSupport the show

Get Resonance: The Art and Science of Human ConnectionTakeawaysAlign your vision with core values to attract support.Big visions can mobilize significant resources.Creating impactful experiences requires thoughtful planning.Notable figures are drawn to bold, meaningful visions.Reciprocity is a powerful tool in building support.Events should resonate with both audience and participants.Visionary leadership can lead to exponential growth.Authentic connections are key to successful collaborations.Purpose-driven events create lasting memories.Vision can transform ordinary events into extraordinary experiences.Sound bites"Align your vision with core values." "Big visions mobilize resources." "Create impactful experiences." "Notable figures love bold visions." "Reciprocity builds support." "Events should resonate with audiences." "Visionary leadership drives growth." "Authentic connections are key." "Purpose-driven events last." "Vision transforms experiences."Chapters00:00:00 Introduction to Visionary Leadership00:00:00 Aligning Vision with Core Values00:00:00 Mobilizing Resources and Support00:00:00 Creating Impactful Experiences00:00:00 The Power of Reciprocity00:00:00 Visionary Event Planning Michael Trainer has spent 30 years learning from Nobel laureates, neuroscientists, and wisdom keepers worldwide. He's the author of RESONANCE: The Art and Science of Human Connection (March 31, 2026), co-creator of Global Citizen and the Global Citizen Festival, and host of the RESONANCE podcast.Featured in Forbes, Inc, Good Morning America. Follow on YouTube

Peter Harrell and Oren Cass join the show to talk IEEPA at the Supreme Court and broader US grand strategy towards China. 03:01 IEPA Tariffs and Their Implications 17:27 Reciprocity and Trade Agreements 20:13 USMCA and Fortress North America 39:01 Decoupling from China: A Strategic Perspective 43:41 Trump's Economic Approach to China 47:48 The Chips Debate: National Security and Economic Interests 01:05:24 Reflections on Political Discourse and Legal Arguments 01:16:17 a ridiculous suno song We discuss Oren's 'Grand Strategy of Reciprocity' https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/grand-strategy-reciprocity and 'Stop Selling the Rope' essays https://americancompass.org/stop-selling-the-rope/ Outtro music: Suno does Hamilton for this case https://suno.com/s/xPRkTjq5KQ4MPXLb Peter's amicus brief: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-1287/380641/20251024173045050_24-1287%2025-150%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Peter Harrell and Oren Cass join the show to talk IEEPA at the Supreme Court and broader US grand strategy towards China. 03:01 IEPA Tariffs and Their Implications 17:27 Reciprocity and Trade Agreements 20:13 USMCA and Fortress North America 39:01 Decoupling from China: A Strategic Perspective 43:41 Trump's Economic Approach to China 47:48 The Chips Debate: National Security and Economic Interests 01:05:24 Reflections on Political Discourse and Legal Arguments 01:16:17 a ridiculous suno song We discuss Oren's 'Grand Strategy of Reciprocity' https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/grand-strategy-reciprocity and 'Stop Selling the Rope' essays https://americancompass.org/stop-selling-the-rope/ Outtro music: Suno does Hamilton for this case https://suno.com/s/xPRkTjq5KQ4MPXLb Peter's amicus brief: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-1287/380641/20251024173045050_24-1287%2025-150%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. K breaks down why so many men feel lonely, rejected, and angry today. He explains how society ties a man's worth to his relationship status and how internet advice warps real human connection. Using clinical insight and lived stories, he shows why effort alone is not the fix, why reciprocity and natural interaction matter, and how unprocessed sadness can harden into anger. The episode offers practical tools to clear social media projections, regulate emotions, and build healthy, organic relationships. Topics include: Social gatekeeping and status tied to relationships Why doing everything “right” still feels empty Reciprocity as the core signal of safety and interest How to be natural by reducing projection and reading context Anger as disguised sadness and how to work with both Concrete steps to date without resentment or creepiness Countering red pill narratives with self-inquiry and repair HG Coaching : https://bit.ly/46bIkdo Dr. K's Guide to Mental Health: https://bit.ly/44z3Szt HG Memberships : https://bit.ly/3TNoMVf Products & Services : https://bit.ly/44kz7x0 HealthyGamer.GG: https://bit.ly/3ZOopgQ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Show Notes: David Nour, author of Relationship Economics, discusses the six phases of strategic relationships. He emphasizes intentionality and a portfolio approach to relationship investing. The six phases he uses throughout the episode are: mapping, relating, nurturing, sustaining, requesting, and capitalizing. Different Levels of Relationship Management  Nour explains that when a challenge arises, the first questions should be: Who do I need? Who do I know? How do I connect the dots? He contrasts haphazard outreach, simple lists, and CRM-driven discipline, underscoring the importance of intentionality and consistency. He highlights relationship mapping to achieve specific goals—beginning with identifying targets, nurturing, and sustaining relationships. In a pharma example, he shows how to identify key companies and contacts and introduces the ideal relationship profile—focusing on specific individuals (not logos) because relationships are built between people. He also stresses finding “lookalikes”: individuals whose values are aligned, who value and respect the relationship.  Cold Outreach to Build Relationships On building new relationships—especially via cold outreach—Nour recommends focusing on fewer but better-qualified leads: go where potential clients already are (e.g., micro-events), be more interested than interesting, and engage with thoughtful questions. Quick, consistent follow-up turns initial introductions into meaningful relationships. He shares specific questions he uses to spark valuable conversations and secure meetings.  Initial Conversations in Relationship Building Nour critiques “intellectually lazy” openings like “Tell me about your situation.” Instead, come prepared with a hypothesis based on research and use questions to set the agenda. Authenticity matters: each consultant should develop their own style. To avoid being forgettable, respectfully provoke prospects to think differently.  Unpacking the Four Middle Phases Nour details the four phases that form the “engine” of relationship development: Relating: Share relevant stories so prospects see themselves in similar situations. Nurturing: Add value with ideas, checklists, and stress-testing to build trust and credibility. Sustaining: Maintain momentum over time; help the buyer buy; enable internal champions. Requesting: Earn the right to ask for deeper access (e.g., org charts, NDAs, stakeholder conversations) to better understand needs and increase impact.  Capitalizing on Relationships After Project Completion Two-thirds of the way through a project, identify existing, impending, and created needs to link projects and avoid losing momentum post-delivery. Nour shares how he invites senior executives from one client to speak at another client's event (non-competing industries), creating an ecosystem of seasoned leaders who become walking case studies. Climbing the Relationship Value Pyramid Nour bridges the gap between recognizing the importance of relationships and harnessing their significance with three ideas: Intelligent Relationship Management: Set relationship-centric outcomes, identify pivotal contacts, and make consistent “favor economy” deposits. Strategic Relationship Planning: Map company-to-company relationships from now to next (champions, cadence, outcomes). Relationship Value Pyramid: Categorize by depth and relevance—situation, investment, portfolio, recall (2 a.m.)—and apply a portfolio approach with a “three-touch rule” before reallocating attention.  Reciprocity in Relationship Building Nour reviews gratitude, reciprocity, and paying it forward as observable behaviors. Twice a year, he reviews his top 100 relationships to prioritize where to invest next. He also mentions Avnir, his AI platform that builds a private relationship vault from existing data sources and prompts context-relevant actions to deepen connections.  Timestamps 05:40: Mapping & Ideal Relationship Profiles 10:20: Building New Relationships (Cold Outreach) 22:16: The Six Phases: Mapping, Relating, Nurturing, Sustaining, Requesting, Capitalizing 28:31: Capitalizing on Relationships 35:51: Relationship Economics Framework 42:34: Portfolio Approach & Three-Touch Rule 48:41: Activating the Untapped Power of Relationships  Links Professional Services Website: DavidNour.com AI Platform Website: Avnir.com Nour on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidnour/   Unleashed is produced by Umbrex, which has a mission of connecting independent management consultants with one another, creating opportunities for members to meet, build relationships, and share lessons learned. Learn more at www.umbrex.com.

In this episode, we unpack a powerful listener question: Can students also become gatekeepers in spiritual spaces? From mentorship secrets to withheld resources, we explore where "healthy boundaries" end—and where scarcity, secrecy, or ego may begin. This isn't a call-out episode—it's an invitation to look deeper at how we share, protect, and pass on spiritual knowledge. We talk transparency, reciprocity, cultural protection, and why some teachings are guarded for good reason. In This Episode, We Explore: Gatekeeping vs. Boundaries: How to tell whether someone is protecting themselves—or protecting exclusivity. Scarcity and Insecurity: The hidden fears behind withholding teachers, tools, or lineage. Reciprocity in Community: When sharing is medicine—and when it must come with respect and responsibility. Cultural Protection: Why some teachings must be guarded to preserve tradition and fight colonization. Business Spaces: What happens when entrepreneurs gatekeep strategy? Personal Accountability: What to do when someone else's secrecy triggers something in us. If this conversation stirred something in you, please share your thoughts on Instagram or leave a comment where you're listening—your experiences help shape future episodes.

Why ancestral healing is imperative for healers, lightworkers & visionaries JOIN US FOR A LIVE CEREMONY

Episode summary Joe and Mary dive into how platform censorship and shifting algorithms have reshaped psychedelic media, why DoubleBlind moved to a “newsletter-first” model, and what that's revealed about true audience engagement. They reflect on the post-2024 MDMA decision headwinds, state-level policy moves (wins and losses), and how funding, politics, and culture continue to reconfigure the field. They also explore alternatives to alcohol, chronic pain research, reciprocity around iboga/ibogaine, and lessons from PS25 (MAPS' Psychedelic Science 2025). Highlights & themes From platforms to inboxes: Social and search suppression (IG/FB/Google) throttled harm-reduction journalism; DoubleBlind's pivot to email dramatically improved reach and engagement. Post-MDMA decision reality: Investment cooled; Mary frames it as painful but necessary growth—an ecosystem “airing out” rather than a catastrophic pop. Policy pulse: Mixed year—some state measures stalled (e.g., MA), others advanced (e.g., NM; ongoing Colorado process). Rescheduling cannabis may add complexity more than clarity. Censorship paradox: Suppressing education makes use less safe; independent outlets need community support to keep harm-reduction info visible. Chronic pain & long COVID: Emerging overlaps and training efforts (e.g., Psychedelics & Pain communities) point beyond a psychiatry-only frame. Alcohol alternatives: Low-dose or occasional psychedelic use can shift habits for some; Mary stresses individual context and support beyond any single substance. Reciprocity & iboga: Rising interest (including from right-leaning funders) must include Indigenous consultation and fair benefit-sharing; pace of capitalism vs. community care is an active tension. PS25 field notes: Smaller, more manageable vibe than 2023; fewer “gold-rush” expectations; in-person dialogue beats online flame wars. Notable mentions DoubleBlind: Newsletter-first publishing; nurturing new writers and reported stories. Psychedelics & Pain Association / Clusterbusters: Community-driven models informing care and research (cluster headache protocols history). Books & media: Body Autonomy (Synergetic Press anthology); Joanna Kempner's work on cluster headaches - Psychedelic Outlaws; Lucy Walker's forthcoming iboga film. Compounds to watch: LSD (under-studied relative to MDMA), 2C-B, 5-MeO-DMT (synthetic focus), and broader Shulgin-inspired families.   Mary Carreon: [00:00:00] Okay, I'm gonna send it to my dad because he wants to know. Here Joe Moore: we go. Yeah, send it over. So, hi everybody. We're live Joe here with Mary Anne, how you doing today? Mary Carreon: I'm great Joe. How are you? Joe Moore: Lovely. I actually never asked you how to pronounce your last name does say it right? Mary Carreon: Yes, you did. You said it perfectly Joe Moore: lovely. Joe Moore: Um, great. So it's been a bit, um, we are streaming on LinkedIn, YouTube, Twitch X and Kick, I guess. Yeah. Kick meta. Meta doesn't let me play anymore. Um, Mary Carreon: you're in forever. Timeout. I got it. I got it. Yeah. Joe Moore: Yeah. I think they found a post the other day from 2017. They didn't like, I'm like, oh cool. Like neat, you Mary Carreon: know, you know. Mary Carreon: Yeah. That happened to me recently, actually. Uh, I had a post taken down from 2018 about, uh, mushroom gummies and yeah, it was taken down and I have strikes on my account now. So Joe Moore: Do you get the thing where they ask you if you're okay? Mary Carreon: Yes, with, but like with my searches though, [00:01:00] like if I search something or, or someone's account that has, uh, like mushroom or psychedelic or LSD or something in it, they'll be like, mm-hmm are you okay? Mary Carreon: And then it recommends getting help. So Joe Moore: it's like, to be fair, I don't know if I'm okay, but Yeah, you're like, probably not. I don't really want your help. Meta. Yeah. Mary Carreon: You're like, I actually do need help, but not from you. Thanks. Yeah, Joe Moore: yeah, yeah. Mary Carreon: So not from the techno fascists. Joe Moore: Oh, good lord. Yeah. Uh, we'll go there. Joe Moore: I'm sure. Mary Carreon: I know. I just like really dove right there. Sorry. Yeah. All right, so let's, Joe Moore: um, before we go, let's give people like a bit of, you know, high kicks on, on who is Mary, where you working these days and what are you doing? Mary Carreon: Yeah, thank you. My name is Mary Carryon and I am forever and first and foremost a journalist. Mary Carreon: I have been covering, I say the plant legalization spaces for the past decade. It's, it's been nine and a half years. Uh, on January 3rd it will be [00:02:00] 10 years. And I got my start covering cannabis, uh, at OC Weekly. And from there went to High Times, and from there went to Mary Jane, worked for Snoop Dogg. And then, uh, I am now. Mary Carreon: Double blind. And I have become recently, as of this year, the editor in chief of Double Blind, and that's where I have been currently sinking my teeth into everything. So currently, you know, at this moment I'm an editor and I am basically also a curator. So, and, and somebody who is a, uh, I guess an observer of this space more than anything these days. Mary Carreon: Um, I'm not really reporting in the same way that I was. Um, but still I am helping many journalists tell stories and, uh, I feel kind of like a story midwife in many ways. Just like helping people produce stories and get the, get the quotes, get the angles that need to be discussed, get the sentences structures right, and, um, uh, helping [00:03:00] sometimes in a visionary kind of, uh, mindset. Mary Carreon: So yeah, that's what I'm doing these days. Joe Moore: Oh, there it is. Oh, there you are. Love that. And um, you know, it's important to have, um, editors who kind of really get it from a lot of different angles. I love that we have a lot of alignment on this kind of, and the drug war thing and kind of let's, uh, hopefully start developing systems that are for people. Joe Moore: Yeah, absolutely. If you wanna just say that. Yeah, absolutely. Mary Carreon: Yeah, absolutely. Joe Moore: So, um, yeah, I almost 10 years in January. That's great. We um, it's so crazy that it's been that long. I think we just turned nine and a half, so we're maybe just a few, a few months shorter than your I love it. Plant medicine reporting career. Joe Moore: That's great. I love it. Um, yeah, so I think. I think one of the first times we chatted, [00:04:00] um, I think you were doing a piece about two cb Do you, do you have any recollection of doing a piece on two cb? Mary Carreon: I do, yes. Yes. Wait, I also remember hitting you up during an Instagram live and I was like, are you guys taking any writers? Mary Carreon: And you guys were like writers, I mean, maybe depending on the writer. Joe Moore: And I was like, I was like, I dunno how that works. Mary Carreon: Like me. Yeah. Joe Moore: Yeah. It was fun. It was fun to work with people like yourself and like get pieces out there. And eventually we had an awesome editor for a bit and that was, that was really cool to be able to like support young startup writers who have a lot of opinions and a lot of things to point out. Joe Moore: There's so much happening. Um, there was so much fraud in like wave one. Of kind of the psychedelic investment hype. There's still some, but it's lesser. Um, and it's really a fascinating space still. Like changing lives, changing not just lives, right? Like our [00:05:00] perspective towards nearly everything, right? Joe Moore: Yeah. Mary Carreon: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it's interesting because the space has matured. It's evolved. It's different than it was even, what a, I mean, definitely nine years ago, but even five years ago, even four years ago, even last year, things are different. The landscape is different than it was a year ago. Mary Carreon: And I, it's, it's interesting to see the politics of things. It's interesting to see who has money these days given like how hard it is just to kind of survive in this space. And it's interesting just to. Bear witness to all of this going down because it really is a once in a lifetime thing. Nothing is gonna look the same as it does now, as it, uh, then it will like in a, in a year from now or anything. Mary Carreon: So it's really, yeah. It's interesting to take account of all of this Joe Moore: That's so real. Uh, maybe a little [00:06:00] too real, like it's serious because like with everything that's going on from, um, you know, governance, governments, ai Yes. Drug policy shifts. Drug tech shifts, yes. There's so much interesting movement. Um, yes. Joe Moore: You, you know, you, you kind of called it out and I think it's really actually worth discussing here since we're both here on the air together, like this idea that the psychedelic market, not idea, the lived experience of the psychedelic market having shifted substantially. And I, I, I think there's a lot of causes. Joe Moore: But I've never had the opportunity to really chat with you about this kind of like interesting downturn in money flowing into the space. Mm-hmm. Have you thought about it? Like what might the causes be? I'm sure you have. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah. I've thought about it. I mean, it's hard. Well, I don't know. I am really not trying to point fingers and that's not what I'm [00:07:00] trying to do here. Mary Carreon: But I mean, I think a lot of people were really hopeful that the FDA decision last June, not last June, the previous June, a year ago, 2024, June was going to open the floodgates in terms of funding, in terms of, um. In terms of mostly funding, but also just greater opportunities for the space and, uh, greater legitimacy granted to the psychedelic medicine space. Mary Carreon: Mm. And for those who might not know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the, uh, FDA decision to reject, uh, MDMA assisted therapy and, um, that whole, that whole thing that happened, I'm sure if it, you didn't even have to really understand what was going on in order to get wind of that wild situation. Mary Carreon: Um, so, so maybe, yeah. You probably know what I'm talking about, but I, I do think that that had a great impact on this space. Do I think it was detrimental to this space? [00:08:00] I don't think so. We are in a growth spurt, you know, like we are growing and growing pains happen when you are evolving and changing and learning and figuring out the way forward. Mary Carreon: So I think it was kind of a natural process for all of this and. If things had gone forward like while, yeah, there probably would be more money, there would be greater opportunity in this space for people wanting to get in and get jobs and make a living and have a life for themselves in this, in this world. Mary Carreon: I don't know if it was, I don't know if it would necessarily be for the betterment of the space in general for the long term. I think that we do have to go through challenges in order for the best case scenarios to play out in the future, even though that's difficult to say now because so many of us are struggling. Mary Carreon: So, but I, but I have hope and, and that statement is coming from a place of hope for the future of this space and this culture. Joe Moore: Yeah. It's, um, I'm with [00:09:00] you. Like we have to see boom bust cycles. We have to see growth and contraction just like natural ecosystems do. Mary Carreon: Absolutely, absolutely. It has to be that way. Mary Carreon: And if it's not that way, then ifs, if. It's, it like what forms in place of that is a big bubble or like a, a hot air balloon that's inevitably going to pop, which, like, we are kind of experiencing that. But I think that the, I think that the, um, the, the air letting out of the balloon right now is a much softer experience than it would be if everything was just like a green light all the way forward, if that makes sense. Mary Carreon: So, Joe Moore: right. And there's, there's so many factors. Like I'm, I'm thinking about, uh, metas censorship like we were talking about before. Yes. Other big tech censorship, right? Mm-hmm. SEO shifts. Mary Carreon: Oh. Um, yes, absolutely. Also, uh, there were some pretty major initiatives on the state level that did not pass also this past year that really would've also kind of [00:10:00] helped the landscape a little bit. Mary Carreon: Um. In terms of creating jobs, in terms of creating opportunities for funding, in terms of having more, uh, like the perception of safer money flow into the space and that, you know, those, those things didn't happen. For instance, the measure for in Massachusetts that didn't go through and just, you know, other things that didn't happen. Mary Carreon: However, there have been really good things too, in terms of, uh, legalization or various forms of legalization, and that's in New Mexico, so we can't, you know, forget that there, and we also can't forget just the movement happening in Colorado. So there are really great things happening and the, the movement is still moving forward. Mary Carreon: Everything is still going. It's just a little more difficult than maybe it could have been Joe Moore: right. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Yes. But also, we Mary Carreon: can't forget this censorship thing. The censorship thing is a horse shit. Sorry. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to cuss, but it is, [00:11:00] but it is Joe Moore: calling it out and it's important to say this stuff. Joe Moore: And you know, folks, if you want to support independent media, please consider supporting Doubleblind and psychedelics today. From a media perspective, absolutely. We wanna wanna put as much out as we can. Yes. The more supporters we have, the more we can help all of you understand what's happening and yes. Joe Moore: Getting you to stay safer. Mary Carreon: Yeah, absolutely. And that's the whole difficulty with the censorship is that psychedelics today, and Doubleblind for instance, but also Lucid News, also other, uh, other influencers, other creators in the space, they like. What all of us are doing is putting out information that is ultimately creating a safer user experience. Mary Carreon: And so with the censorship, we are not able to do so anymore, which creates actually a lot of danger. So. Yeah, it's, it's difficult. The censorship is difficult, and if you are somebody who posts about psychedelics, I know that you know this and I am preaching to the choir. Joe Moore: Yeah. So can you talk a [00:12:00] little bit about you all at Double Blind made a major shift in the last number of months towards, uh, kind of not necessarily putting everything out there and, and kind of like, um, actually I don't even know the language you use. Joe Moore: What's the, what's the language you use for the kind of model shift you took on? Mary Carreon: Yeah, I mean, it's great. It's been a wild shift. It's been a wild shift. Um, what we are currently doing is we went to a newsletter first model, which instead of just posting onto a website for everyone to see, and then, um, you know, hopefully getting SEO hits and also posting on their, then posting those stories onto Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, and hoping to get traffic through social media. Mary Carreon: Uh, we decided that that was no longer working for us because it wasn't, um, because the censorship is so bad on, on social media, like on Instagram, for instance, and Facebook and Twitter, well, less on Twitter, [00:13:00] but still, nonetheless on social media, the censorship is so bad. And also the censorship exists on Google. Mary Carreon: When you Google search how to take mushrooms, double blinds is not even on. You know, our guide is not on the first page. It's like, you know, way the heck, way the heck down there. Maybe page 2, 3, 4, 5. I don't know. But, um, the issue, the issue with that, or, or the reason why rather that it's that way is because Google is prioritizing, um, like rehabilitation centers for this information. Mary Carreon: And also they are prioritizing, uh, medical information. So, like WebMD for instance. And all of these organizations that Google is now prioritizing are u are, are, are, are organizations that see psychedelic use through the lens of addiction or through drug drug abuse. So [00:14:00] again, you know, I don't know, take it for how you want to, I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna tell anybody like what is the right way to use their substances or whatever. Mary Carreon: However, it's really important to have the proper harm reduction resources and tools available. Uh, just readily available, not five pages down on a Google search. So anyways, all of that said double blind was our traffic was way down. And it was looking very bleak for a while. Just we were getting kicked off of Instagram. Mary Carreon: We weren't getting any traffic from social media onto our website, onto our stories. It was a, it was a vicious kind of cycle downward, and it wasn't really working. And there was a moment there where Doubleblind almost shut down as a result of these numbers because there's a, like you, a media company cannot sustain itself on really low page views as a result. Mary Carreon: So what we [00:15:00] decided to do was go to a newsletter first model, which relies on our email list. And basically we are sending out newsletters three days a week of new original content, mostly, uh, sometimes on Wednesdays we repost an SEO story or something like that. Um, to just to engage our audience and to work with our audience that way, and to like to actually engage our audience. Mary Carreon: I cannot emphasize that enough because on Instagram and on Facebook, we were only reaching like, I don't know, not that many people, like not that many people at all. And all of that really became obvious as soon as we started sending out to our email list. And as soon as we did that, it was wild. How many, how many views to the website and also how many just open like our open rate and our click through rate were showing how our audience was reacting to our content. Mary Carreon: In other words. [00:16:00] Social media was not a good, in, like, was not a good indicator of how our content was being received at all because people kind of weren't even receiving it. So going to the newsletter first model proved to be very beneficial for us and our numbers. And also just reaching our freaking audience, which we were barely doing, I guess, on social media, which is, which is wild, you know, for, for a, an account that has a lot of followers, I forget at this exact moment, but we have a ton, double blind, has a ton of followers on, on Instagram. Mary Carreon: We were, we, we get like 500 likes or, you know, maybe like. I don't know. If you're not looking at likes and you're looking at views, like sometimes we get like 16 K views, which, you know, seems good, but also compared to the amount of followers who follow us, it's like not really that great. And we're never reaching new, like a new audience. Mary Carreon: We're always reaching the same audience too, [00:17:00] which is interesting because even with our news, with our, with our email list, we are still reaching new people, which is, which says just how much more fluid that space is. Mm-hmm. And it's because it's, because censorship does not at least yet exist in our inboxes. Mary Carreon: And so therefore email is kind of like the underground, if you will, for this kind of content and this type of material journalism, et cetera. So, so yeah. So it, it, it has been a massive shift. It is required a lot of changes over at double blind. Everything has been very intense and crazy, but it has been absolutely worth it, and it's really exciting that we're still here. Mary Carreon: I'm so grateful that Double-Blind is still around, that we are still able to tell stories and that we are still able to work with writers and nurture writers and nurture the storytelling in this space because it needs to evolve just the same way that the industry and the [00:18:00] culture and everything else is evolving. Joe Moore: Yeah, I think, I think you're spot on like the, when I watch our Instagram account, like, um, I haven't seen the number change from 107 K for two years. Mary Carreon: Absolutely. Same. And, um, same. Joe Moore: Yeah. And you know, I think, I think there's certain kinds of content that could do fine. I think, uh, psychedelic attorney, Robert Rush put up a comment, um, in response to Jack Coline's account getting taken down, um, that had some good analysis, um. Joe Moore: Of the situation. Go ahead. You had No, Mary Carreon: no, I'm just like, you know, I can't, when, when journalists are getting kicked off of these, of these platforms for their stories, for their reported stories, that's like, that is a massive red flag. And that's all I have to say. I mean, we could go into more, more details on that, but that is a [00:19:00] huge red flag. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, for sure. The, I, yeah. And like I'm sure he'll get it back. I'm sure that's not for good, but I think he did. Okay, great. Mary Carreon: I think he did. Yeah. Yeah, I think he did. Joe Moore: Yeah. So thank you. Shout out to Jack. Yeah, thanks Jack. Um, and I think, you know, there's, there's no one with that kind of energy out there. Joe Moore: Um, and I'm excited to see what happens over time with him. Yeah. How he'll unfold. Absolutely unfold. Oh yeah. It's like, um. Crushing the beat. Mary Carreon: Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially the political, the political beat. Like, there's no, there's few people who are really tackling that specific sector, which is like mm-hmm. Mary Carreon: So exciting for a journalist. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, so model shifting, like we all have to like, adapt in new ways. Kyle and I are still trying to figure out what we're gonna do. Like maybe it is newsletter first. Like I, I realized that I hadn't been writing for [00:20:00] years, which is problematic, um, in that like, I have a lot of things to say. Mary Carreon: Totally. Joe Moore: And nobody got to hear it. Um, so I started a substack, which I had complicated feelings about honestly. 'cause it's just another. Rich person's platform that I'm, you know, helping them get Andreessen money or whatever. And, you know, so I'm gonna play lightly there, but I will post here and there. Um, I'm just trying to figure it all out, you know, like I've put up a couple articles like this GLP one and Mushrooms article. Mary Carreon: I saw that. I saw that. Really? And honestly, that's a really, like, it's so weird, but I don't, like, it's such a weird little thing that's happening in the space. I wonder, yeah, I wonder, I wonder how that is going to evolve. It's um, you know, a lot of people, I, I briefly kind of wrote about, um, psychedelics and the GLP, is that what it is? Mary Carreon: GLP one. Joe Moore: GLP one. Say Ozempic. Yeah, just, yeah, Ozempic. Yeah, exactly. Mary Carreon: Yeah, exactly. I wrote about [00:21:00] that briefly last year and there were a bunch of people like obviously horrified, which it is kind of horrifying, but also there's a bunch of people who believe that it is extremely cutting edge, which it also is. Mary Carreon: So it's really interesting, really fascinating. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, I remember Bernie Sanders saying like, if this drug gets as much traction as it needs to, it will bankrupt Medicaid. I guess that's not really a problem anymore. Um, but, but, uh, but so like naming it real quick, like it changed the way we had to digest things, therefore, like mushrooms get digested differently and, um, some people don't respond in the expected ways. Joe Moore: And then there was some follow up, oh, we, in the regulated model, we just do lemon tech. And then I was like, is that legal in the regulated model? And I, I don't know the answer still. Mm-hmm. Like there was a couple things, you know, if users know to do it, you know, I don't, I don't totally understand the regulated model's so strange in Oregon, Colorado, that like, we really need a couple lawyers opinions. Joe Moore: Right. I think Mary Carreon: yes, of course Joe Moore: the lawyers just gave it a [00:22:00] thumbs up. They didn't even comment on the post, which is, laughs: thanks guys. Um, Joe Moore: but you know, laughs: yeah. You're like, thank you. Joe Moore: Thanks and diversity of opinions. So yeah, there's that. And like GLP ones are so interesting in that they're, one friend reached out and said she's using it in a microdose format for chronic neuroinflammation, which I had never heard of before. Joe Moore: Whoa. And um, I think, you know, articles like that, my intent was to just say, Hey, researchers yet another thing to look at. Like, there's no end to what we need to be looking at. Abso Mary Carreon: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You know, reporting on this space actually taught me that there's so much just in general that isn't being researched, whether that's in this space, but also beyond and how, um, yeah, just how behind, actually, maybe not, maybe behind isn't the right word, but it kind of feels from my novice and from my novice place in the, in the world and [00:23:00] understanding research, it's. Mary Carreon: Hard for me to see it as anything, but being behind in the research that we all really need, that's really going to benefit humanity. But also, you know, I get that it's because of funding and politics and whatever, whatever, you know, we can go on for days on all of that. Joe Moore: What's the real reason? What's the real reason? Joe Moore: Well, drug war. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Well, yeah, definitely the drug war. Nixon. Yeah. Yes, yes, definitely the drug war. Yeah. I mean, and just the fact that even all of the drug research that happens is, again, through the lens of addiction and drug abuse, so Joe Moore: mm-hmm. Hard to right. Yeah. Um, like ni a is obviously really ridiculous and, and the way they approach this stuff, and Carl Hart illustrates that well, and, Mary Carreon: oh man, yes, he does. Joe Moore: Like, I think Fadiman's lab in Palo Alto got shut down, like 67, 66 or 67, and like that's, you know, that was one of the later ones, Mary Carreon: right? And, Joe Moore: and like, Mary Carreon: and here we are. Joe Moore: The amount of suffering that could have been alleviated if we [00:24:00] had not done this is. Incalculable. Um, yes. Yes. Yeah. Mary Carreon: I mean the, yeah, it's hard to say exactly how specifically it would be different, but it's difficult to also not think that the fentanyl crisis and the opioid addiction rate and situation that is currently like plaguing the, the world, but particularly the United States, it's hard to think that it wouldn't be, like, it wouldn't be a different scenario altogether. Joe Moore: Right, right. Absolutely. Um, and it's, um, it's interesting to speculate about, right? Like Yeah. Yes. Where would we be? And Mary Carreon: I know, I know, I know, I know it is speculation. Absolutely. But it's like hard, as I said, it's hard not to think that things would be different. Joe Moore: Right. Right. Um, I like, there's two kind of quotes, like, um, not, this one's not really a quote. Joe Moore: Like, we haven't really had a [00:25:00] blockbuster psychiatric med since Prozac, and I think that was in the eighties or early nineties, which is terrifying. And then, um, I think this guy's name is James Hillman. He is kinda like a Jungian, um, educator and I think the title of one of his books is, we're a hundred Years Into Psychotherapy and the World is Still a Mess. Joe Moore: And I think like those two things are like, okay, so two different very white people approaches didn't go very far. Yes. Um, yes and laughs: mm-hmm. Joe Moore: Thankfully, I think a lot of people are seeing that. Mm-hmm. Um, finally and kind of putting energy into different ways. Um, Mary Carreon: yeah. Absolutely. I think, yeah, I mean, we need to be exploring the other options at this point because what is currently happening isn't working on many fronts, but including in terms of mental health especially. Mary Carreon: So mm-hmm. We gotta get going. Right? We [00:26:00] gotta get moving. Geez. Joe Moore: Have you all, have you all seen much of the information around chronic pain treatments? Like I'm, I'm a founding board member with the Psychedelics and Pain Association, which has a really fun project. Oh, that's interesting. Mary Carreon: Um, I've seen some of the studies around that and it's endlessly fascinating for obvious, for obvious reasons. Mary Carreon: I, um, we have a writer who's been working for a long time on a story, uh, about the chronic pain that has since. Become an issue for this, for her, for the writer. Mm-hmm. Um, since she had COVID. Mm-hmm. Since, since she is just like, COVID was the onset basically of this chronic pain. And, um, there she attended a psychedelics in pain, chronic pain conference and, uh, that has pretty much like, changed her world. Mary Carreon: Um, well, in terms of just the information that's out there, not necessarily that she's painless, but it's just, you know, offering a, a brand new, a brand new road, a brand new path that is giving her, [00:27:00] um, relief on days when the pain is, uh, substantial. laughs: Yeah. Mary Carreon: So that's interesting. And a lot of people are experiencing that as well. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. So there's, there's a really cool set of overlap between the COVID researchers, long COVID researchers and the chronic pain people. 'cause there is Yes. This new science of pain that's yes. Our group, PPA put out like a really robust kind of training, um, for clinicians and researchers and even patients to get more educated. Joe Moore: And we're, we're getting, um, kind of boostered by cluster busters and we're kind of leveraging a lot of what they've done. Mary Carreon: Wait, what is a cluster buster? Joe Moore: Oh gosh. Um, so they're a 5 0 1 C3. Okay. Started with Bob Wald. Okay. Bob Wald is a cluster headache survivor. Oh, oh, oh, Mary Carreon: okay. Got it. Got it. Yes. So they're Joe Moore: the charity that, um, has been really championing, um, cluster headache research because they found a protocol [00:28:00] with mushrooms. Joe Moore: Yes, yes, yes. To eliminate. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, this really great, I Mary Carreon: love that. Joe Moore: This really great book was written by a Rutgers, um, I think medical sociologist or anthropologist psychedelic. Love laughs: that. Joe Moore: Joanna Kempner. Cool. Um, and it kind of talks about the whole, um, cluster busters saga, and it was, it was pretty cool. Joe Moore: Nice. So they've been at it for about as long as maps. Um, oh wow. Maybe a little earlier. Maybe a little later. Mary Carreon: I love that. Cool. I mean, yeah, that's really great. That's really great. Joe Moore: So we're copying their playbook in a lot of ways and Cool. We about to be our own 5 0 1 C3 and, um, nice. And that should be really fun. Joe Moore: And, uh, the next conference is coming up at the end of next month if people wanna check that out. Psychedelic. Nice. Mary Carreon: Nice, nice, nice. Cool. Joe Moore: Yeah, so that, like, how I leaned into that was not only did I get a lot of help from chronic pain with psychedelics and going to Phish shows and whatever, um, you know, I, and overuse for sure helped me somehow. Joe Moore: [00:29:00] Um, God bless. Yeah. But I, I like it because it breaks us out of the psychiatry only frame for psychedelics. Mm. And starts to make space for other categories. Mm-hmm. Is one of the bigger reasons I like it. Mary Carreon: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Which, like, we need to be, we need to, we, no one else is gonna do it for us. We like the people in the space who are finding new uses for these substances need to be creating those, those pathways and those new niches for people to then begin studying, et cetera, and exploring and yeah. Mary Carreon: Making, making a proper avenue for, Joe Moore: right, right. And, you know, um, I don't know that this is a Maha thing, so No, I'm going there, I guess, but like, how do we kind of face squarely America and the world's drinking problems? Not [00:30:00] knowing what we know now about alcohol, you know what I mean? And then like, what are the alternatives? Joe Moore: You know, some, some writers out there on substack are very firm that everybody needs to not do any substance. And like all psychedelics are super bad and drugs are evil, you know, famous sub stackers that I won't name. But you know, like what is the alternative? Like, I, like we have to have something beyond alcohol. Joe Moore: And I think you've found some cannabis helpful for that. Mary Carreon: Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's interesting because it's, there are, there's definitely an argument to be made for the power of these substances in helping, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say curb, but definitely reduce the symptoms of, uh, wanting to use or to drink or to consume a specific substance. Mary Carreon: There's obviously there is an argument to be made. There are, there is ano another camp of people who are kind [00:31:00] of in the, in the, in the, in the realm of using a drug to get off of a drug isn't how you do it. However, and, and I do, it depends on the individual. It depends on the individual and the, and how that person is engaging with their own addiction. Mary Carreon: I think for whether or not the substances work, like whether psychedelics work to help somebody kind of get off of alcohol or get off of cocaine or stop using opioids or, you know, et cetera. Mm-hmm. However, I think like, when the situation is so dire, we need to be trying everything. And if that means, like, if, like, you know, if you look at the studies for like smoking cessation or alcohol use, mushrooms do help, psilocybin does help with that. Mary Carreon: Mm-hmm. But, you know, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that also need to happen. There's a lot of things that also need to happen in order for those, uh, that relief to maintain and to stick and to, uh, really guide [00:32:00] somebody off of those substances. Mm-hmm. It's not just the substance itself. Joe Moore: Right. So I'm, I'm explicitly talking like recreational alternatives, right. Like how do I Yeah. On per minute, like, am Anitas becoming helpful? Yeah, yeah. Are helpful and Yeah. Yeah. I think like even, um, normal. What we might call like normal American alcohol use. Like Yeah. That's still like, quite carcinogenic and like, um, absolutely. Joe Moore: We're kind of trying to spend less as a country on cancer treatments, which I hope is true. Then how do we, how do we develop things that are, you know, not just abstinence only programs, which we know for sure aren't great. Mary Carreon: Yeah. They don't work. Yeah. I don't, it's, it's difficult. Mm-hmm. It's difficult to say. Mary Carreon: I mean mm-hmm. I don't know. Obviously I, I, well, maybe it's not obvious at all for people who don't know me, but, you know, I exist in a, I exist in, in a world where recreational use is like, it's like hard to define what recreational use is because if we are using this, if we are using mushrooms or LSD even, or MDMA, [00:33:00] you know, there are so many, there's a lot of the therapy that can happen through the use of these substances, even if we're not doing it, you know, with a blindfold on or whatever and yeah, I think like. Mary Carreon: There is a decent swap that can happen if you, if you are somebody who doesn't wanna be, you know, having like three beers a night, or if you are somebody who's like, you know, maybe not trying to have like a bottle of wine at a night or something like that, you know, because like Americans drink a lot and a lot of the way that we drink is, um, you know, like we don't see it as alcoholism. Mary Carreon: Even though it could be, it could be that's like a difficult Joe Moore: potentially subclinical, but right there. Mary Carreon: Um, yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's, um, we don't see it as that because everybody, a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of people drink like that, if that makes sense. If you know mm-hmm. If you, if you get what I'm, if you get what I'm saying. Mary Carreon: So, you know, I do think that there's a lot of benefit that, I don't [00:34:00] know, having, like a, having a mushroom, having a mushroom experience can really help. Or sometimes even like low dose, low doses of mushrooms can also really help with, like, with the. Desire to reach for a drink. Yeah, totally. And, and AMS as well. Mary Carreon: I know that that's also helping people a lot too. And again, outside of the clinical framework. Joe Moore: Yeah. I'm, a lot of people project on me that I'm just like constantly doing everything all the time and I'm, I'm the most sober I've been since high school. You know, like it's bonkers that like Yeah. Um, and you know, probably the healthiest event since high school too. Joe Moore: Yeah. But it's fa it's fascinating that like, you know, psychedelics kind of helped get here and even if it was like For sure something that didn't look like therapy. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I, I think, I think most of us here in this space are getting projected on as to like, you know, being like what Normies would consider druggies or something, or that we are just like, you know, high all the time. Mary Carreon: Um, [00:35:00] I know that that is definitely something that I face regularly, like out in the world. Um, but, you know, I would also, I would also argue that. Uh, like mushrooms have completely altered my approach to health, my approach to mental health, and not even having to consume that, you know, that substance in order or that, you know, that fun fungi, in order for me to like tap into taking care of my mental health or approaching better, uh, food options, et cetera. Mary Carreon: It's kind of like what these, it's like how the mushrooms continue to help you even after you have taken them. Like the messages still keep coming through if you work with them in that capacity. Right. And yeah, and also same with, same with LSD too. LSD has also kind my experiences with that have also guided me towards a healthier path as well. Mary Carreon: I, I understand that maybe for some people it's not that way, but, um, for me that substance is a medicine as well, [00:36:00] or it can be. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, so. What are, what are some things popping up these days about like US drug policy that's like getting exciting for you? Like, are you feeling feeling like a looming optimism about a, a major shift? Joe Moore: Are you kind of like cautiously optimistic with some of the weird kind of mandatory minimum stuff that's coming up or? Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that there was a huge, a, a pretty huge shift over at the DEA and I wish I remembered, I wish I remembered his name. The new guy who's now, I believe the head of the DEA, I don't know enough information about it to really feel a way. Mary Carreon: However, I don't think that he's necessarily going to be serving us as a community here, uh, in the psychedelic space. I, you know, I just don't think that that's something that we can ever depend on with the DEA. Uh, I also don't think that [00:37:00] the DEA is necessarily going to be. All that helpful to cannabis, like the cannabis space either. Mary Carreon: Um, I know that, that Trump keeps kind of discussing or, or dangling a carrot around the rescheduling of cannabis. Um, for, he's been, he's been, but he's doing it a lot more now. He's been talking about it more recently. Uh, he says like, in the next like couple weeks that he's going to have some kind of decision around that, allegedly. Mary Carreon: But we will see also, I'm not sure that it's going to necessarily help anybody if we reschedule two. Uh, what from schedule one to schedule th two, three, schedule three. Joe Moore: Either way it's like not that useful. Right. Exactly. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's, um, just going to probably cause a lot more red tape and a lot of confusion for the state rec markets. Mary Carreon: So it's like something that we, it's like only ridden with unintentional, unintentional consequences. Unintended consequences. Mm-hmm. Because no one knows how it's really going to [00:38:00] impact anything, um, if, if at all. But I don't know. It's hard, it's hard to imagine that there won't be any, uh, like more complex regulatory issues for business owners and also probably consumers as well. Joe Moore: Hmm. Yeah. This guy's name's Terry Cole. Mary Carreon: Oh, the new DEA guy. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, I don't know much about him. Terry. Yeah. Terry, I would love to chat. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Terry, let's talk. I'm sure your people Joe Moore: are watching. Yeah. So like, just let him know. We wanna chat. Yeah. We'll come to DC and chat it out. Um, yeah. It's, um, but yeah, I, Carl Hart's solution to me makes like almost most of the sense in the world to just end the scheduling system Absolutely. Joe Moore: And start building some sort of infrastructure to keep people safe. That's clearly not what we have today. Mary Carreon: No. But building an infrastructure around the health and wellness and uh, safety of [00:39:00] people is the exact opposite system that we have currently right now. Because also the scheduling system has a lot to do with the incarceration in the United States and the criminal just, or the criminal system. Mary Carreon: So, so yeah, like we can't disentangle the two really. Joe Moore: It just started, um, I feel negligent on this. Uh, synergetic press put out a book like a year or two ago called Body Autonomy. Mm-hmm. Um, did that one come across your desk at all? Mm-hmm. No. I wish basically contributed. Oh, nice. A number of people. So it's both like, um. Joe Moore: Drug policy commentary and then like sex work commentary. Oh, nice. And it was like high level, like love that really, really incredible love that detailed science based conversations, which is not what we have around this. Like, that doesn't make me feel good. So you should go to jail kind of stuff. Or like, I'm gonna humiliate you for real though. Joe Moore: Ticket. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh God. Uh, when you think about it like that, it just really also shows [00:40:00] just the uh, um, the level at which religion has also kind of fundamentally infused itself into the scheduling system, but also our laws, you know, like what you just said, this like, shame-based, I'm going to embarrass you and make you into a criminal when you know actually you are a law for the most part, a law abiding citizen, with the exception of this one thing that you're doing for. Mary Carreon: A, your survival and or your, like, your feeling good, wanting to feel good addressing pain. Um, there's a large, uh, like noise coming out of the front yard of my house right now. Hold on. Just a, it doesn't sound too bad. It doesn't sound too bad. Okay. Okay, good. Not at all. Not at all. Okay. Yeah, I had Joe Moore: people working on my roof all day and somehow it worked out. Joe Moore: Oh, good. Um, yeah. Um, yeah, it's, it's fascinating and I, I've been coming around like, I, I identify as politically confused, [00:41:00] um, and I feel like it's the most honest way I can be. Um, Mary Carreon: I am also politically confused these days, impossible to align with any, uh, party or group currently in existence at this exact juncture in American history. Joe Moore: I can't find any that I want to throw my dice in with. Nah. This idea of like fucking way being. Like what is the most humane way to do government as a way it's been put to me recently. And that's interesting. So it comes down to like coercion, are we caring for people, things like that. And um, I don't think we're doing it in a super humane way right now. Mary Carreon: Um, we, yeah, I am pretty sure that even if there was, I mean, I think that even if we looked at the data, the data would support that we are not doing it in a humane way. Joe Moore: So Mary Carreon: unfortunately, and Joe Moore: you know, this whole tech thing, like the tech oligarch thing, you kind of dropped at the beginning and I think it's worth bringing that back because we're, we're on all [00:42:00] these tech platforms. Joe Moore: Like that's kind of like how we're transmitting it to people who are participating in these other platforms and like, you know, it's not all meta. I did turn on my personal Facebook, so everybody's watching it there. I hope. Um, see if that count gets, Mary Carreon: um, Joe Moore: but you know, this idea that a certain number of private corporations kind of control. Joe Moore: A huge portion of rhetoric. Um, and you know, I think we probably got Whiffs of this when Bezos bought Washington Post and then Yes. You know, Musk with X and like yes. You know, is this kind of a bunch of people who don't necessarily care about this topic and the way we do, and they're like in larger topics too about humane government and like, you know, moving things in good directions. Joe Moore: Um, I don't know, thoughts on that rift there as it relates to anything you, wherever you wanna go. Yeah. Mary Carreon: Yeah. I mean, I don't think that they are looking at, I don't think that they are looking [00:43:00] at it the way that we are. I don't think that they can see it from their vantage point. Um, I think that like, in the, in a similar way that so many CEOs who run businesses have no fucking clue about what's actually happening in their businesses and the actual workers and, and employees of their businesses can tell them in more detail. Mary Carreon: Far more detail about what's actually happening on the, on the floor of their own business. Uh, I think that it is something like that. However, that's not to say that, you know, these, these CEOs who employ people who build the A algorithm are obviously guided to create the limitations on us as people who speak about drugs, et cetera, and are creating a algorithm that ultimately is looking at things in a very blanket way in terms of, uh, like we're probably seen on the same level as like drug dealers, if that makes sense. Mary Carreon: Which is obviously a much, you know, there's, [00:44:00] it's a very different thing. Um, so, you know, there's like these CEOs are giving directions to their employees to ultimately create systems that harm. Information flow and inform and, and like the information health of, of platforms and of just people in general. Mary Carreon: So it's hard to say because there's nuance there, obviously, but I would bet you that someone like Elon Musk doesn't really have a full grasp as to the, the nuances and details of what's even happening within, on the ground floor of his businesses. Because that's like, not how CEOs in America run, run, and operate. Mary Carreon: They're stupid companies. So, so yeah. And I feel like that, like, that's across the board, like that's across the board. That's how I, that's probably how Zuck is operating with Meta and Facebook, et cetera. And yeah, just likewise and across, across the whole, [00:45:00] across the whole spectrum. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I think, um, a thing. Joe Moore: Then as the people like, we need to keep looking at how can we keep each other informed. And that's kind of circling back to drug journalism like we do and like, um, other, other sorts of journalism that doesn't really get the press it deserves. Right. And I've been getting far more content that I find more valuable off of tragically back on Zucks platform like IG is getting me so much interesting content from around the world that no major outlet's covering. Mary Carreon: That's so interesting. Like what? Like what would you say? Joe Moore: Oh, um, uh, certain, um, violent situations overseas. Oh, oh, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, um, you know, that America's paying for, so like, you know, I just don't love that I don't have a good, you know, journalistic source I can [00:46:00] point to, to say, hey, like right. Joe Moore: These writers with names, with addresses, like, and offices here. Yes. You know, they did the work and they're held, you know, they're ethical journalists, so yes. You can trust them. Right. You know what I mean? Yes, Mary Carreon: yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, all of this makes everything so much harder for determining, like, the censorship specifically makes it so much harder for the people to determine like, what's real, what's not. Mary Carreon: Because, because of exactly what you just said. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, we are, we are basically what that means, like what is required of the people and people who are consuming information is becoming a smart consumer and being able to determine what's real, what's not. How can we trust this individual? Mary Carreon: How can we not, which isn't analysis process that all of us need to be sharpening every single day, especially with the advent of AI and, uh, how quickly this, this type of content is coming at all of us. Like, especially if you're on TikTok, which many of us are, you know, like information comes flying at you 3000 miles an hour, and it's sometimes [00:47:00] really difficult to determine what's real, what's not, because AI is. Mary Carreon: AI is not where it's going to be, and it still is in its nascent phase. However, it's still pretty fucking good and it's still very confusing on there. So, so again, like the media literacy of the people needs to be sharpened every single day. We cannot be on there, we cannot be on the internet existing. Mary Carreon: That everything that we are seeing is real. Whether that's about, you know, these, um, the violence overseas, uh, happening at the hands of the United States, whether that is, uh, even drug information like, you know, et cetera, all of all of it. Or just like news about something happening at Yellowstone National Park or something that is happening in the, uh, at like. Mary Carreon: Um, like potential riots also happening at protests in downtown la, et cetera. Like all, all of it, we need to be so careful. And I think what that also, like, one way that [00:48:00] we can adjust and begin to develop our media literacy skills is talking to people maybe who are there, reaching out to people who are saying that they were there and asking them questions, and also sussing that out. Mary Carreon: You know, obviously we can't do that for all situations, but definitely some of them. Joe Moore: Yeah, absolutely. Like, Joe Moore: um, a quick pivot. Mm-hmm. Were you at PS 25? Mary Carreon: Yes, I was. What did I think? Uh, you know, I, I was running around like crazy at this one. I felt like I didn't even have a second to breathe and I feel like I didn't even have a second to really see anybody. I was like, worry. I was jumping from one stage to the next. Mary Carreon: However, I would say, uh, one of, one of the things that I have said and how I felt about it was that I felt that this, this event was smaller than it was two years ago. And I preferred that I preferred the reduction in size just because it was, uh, less over, less overwhelming [00:49:00] in an, in an already very overwhelming event. Mary Carreon: Um, but I thought that from the panels that I did see that everyone did a really great job. I thought that maps, you know, it's impressive that maps can put on an event like that. Um, I also was very cognizant that the suits were there in full effect and, uh, you know, but that's not unusual. That's how it was last time as well. Mary Carreon: And, um, I felt that there was Mary Carreon: a, uh, like the, the, the level of excitement and the level of like opportunity and pro, like the prosperous. The like, prospect of prosperity coming down the pipeline like tomorrow, you know, kind of vibe was different than last time. Mm-hmm. Which that was very present at the one, two years ago, uh, which was the last PS psychedelic science. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Um, anyways. Yeah. But it was, you know, it was really nice to see everybody. [00:50:00] I feel like in-person events is a great way for everybody in the psychedelic space to be interacting with each other instead of like keyboard warrioring against each other, you know, uh, over the computer and over the internet. Mary Carreon: I think that, um, yeah, uh, being in person is better than being fighting each other over the internet, so, yeah. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. People seem to be a little bit more civil in person. Mary Carreon: Exactly. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And I think that that is something that we all need to be considering more often, and also inviting people from across the aisle to your events and creating peace, because in person it's a little different than it is. Mary Carreon: When you have the opportunity to, uh, yeah, like keyboard attack someone over the internet, it's like, yeah. It's just so silly. So silly. We look like fools. Like we look like absolute idiots doing that. And you know what? I cannot sit here and say that I haven't looked like an idiot. So, you know, it's like I'm not, I'm not talking from like a high horse over here, but, but you know, it's like, it's [00:51:00] better when it's in person. Mary Carreon: I feel like there's like more civil engagements that we can all have. Joe Moore: It's practice, you know? Yeah. We're learning. Yeah. We are. We should be learning, including us, and yes, of course. Um, I, I play a subtler game these days and, uh, you know, I, I, I, it's better when we all look a lot better in my opinion, because yes, we can inform policy decisions, we can be the ones helping inform really important things about how these things should get implemented and absolutely right. Joe Moore: Like, Mary Carreon: absolutely. Yeah, it does. It does. Nobody, any service, especially these medicines, especially these sacraments, especially these plants, these molecules, et cetera, if we are all sitting here fighting each other and like calling each other names and trying to dunk on one another, when like in reality, we are also all kind of pushing for the same thing more or less. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. So a thing that [00:52:00] I, it's a, it's kind of a, I, I had a great time at PS 25. I have no, no real complaints. I just wish I had more time. Yeah, same. Um, same. Yeah. Our booth was so busy. It was so fun. Just good. And it was like, good. I, I know. It was really good. I'm trying to say it out loud. I get to talk at the conference before Rick did. laughs: Oh, oh, Joe Moore: the morning show they put us on at like seven 30 in the morning or something crazy. Oh my god. It was early. I dunno if it was seven 30. Mary Carreon: That's so early. That's so early. Joe Moore: Yeah, right. Like that's crazy. I got zero nightlife in That's okay. Um, I was not, I was there for work. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah. I was Joe Moore: jealous. I didn't party, but you know, whatever. Joe Moore: Yeah, yeah. Mary Carreon: I did not party this time really in the same way that I did at PS 20. Was it 2023? Joe Moore: 23, yeah. 23. I only stay up till 11 one night in 23. Nice. Mary Carreon: Okay. Um, okay. Joe Moore: So I behaved, I have a pattern of behaving. 'cause I like That's good. I'm so bent outta shape inside going into these things. I'm like, I know, I know. Joe Moore: And, and I'm like, oh, all [00:53:00] my friends are gonna be there. It's gonna be great. And then it's like, yeah. It's mostly friends and only a little bit of stress. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah. I had a, I had a great time. It was really good seeing everybody again. Like you, I wish that I had more time with people. Like there are people that I like didn't even see who are my friends, Joe Moore: so, which Yeah. Joe Moore: Which is sad. That's like a subtext in, in like the notes coming away from 25. Is that the, um, American Right, if we wanna call it that, is very interested in this stuff. Oh yeah. Like the Texas establishment. Oh yeah. Um, the Texas contingent, right? They're deep. They're real deep. Mm-hmm. I have, um, Mary Carreon: let's talk about that more. Mary Carreon: Yeah. So Joe Moore: it's optimistic in, in some sense that psychedelic science is getting funded more. By states. 'cause the feds aren't stepping up. Right. I love that. Right. Yeah. Like, Hey feds, look what we can do. And you can't somehow, and [00:54:00] then, um, we'll see if state rights stays around for a while longer, maybe, maybe not. Joe Moore: And then the other part is like, is there a slippery slope given the rhetoric around addiction and the rise in interest in iboga for compulsory addiction treatment with psychedelics or, or compulsory mental health treatments with psychedelics because of the recent, it's illegal to be a person without housing. Joe Moore: Um, and you're gonna get put in treatment. Mm. Like, that's now a thing. So like, I don't know, I don't think forced treatment's good at all. I, and I don't think like, um, like the data is something like 15% effective, maybe less. Right. Right. It's not a good use of money. I don't know. We're, let's, I. You can go there if you want, and riff on that, or if you wanna talk about like, Texas, um, Arizona more generally. Mary Carreon: Yeah. I mean, I will just say this, I also don't really believe that forced treatment is like good, you [00:55:00] know, data Joe Moore: says it's bad. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah. I also, yeah, I mean, it's like, I don't know. Yeah, that's, it's complex. It's a complex issue. I also don't think it's good, but I also do think that we need a much better framework and foundation for like, if people do want the help, helping them get it. Mary Carreon: Much more easily and in a way that's going to be beneficial for them. Um, and I don't think that that system or that pathway currently exists as we saw in, uh, with, with, um, measure 1 0 9 and the failure of measure 1 0 9 or, or was it Measure 1 0 10, 1 10, measure one 10 in Oregon. Joe Moore: But did you see the response yesterday or two days ago? Joe Moore: No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I'll I'll send it to you later. Okay. So the university did the research, um, Portland State University did the research Yes. And said, Hey, look, there was actually 20 other things that were higher priority. Like that actually influenced this increase in overdoses, not our law. Mary Carreon: Right. Mary Carreon: Yes. It was really COVID for Okay. [00:56:00] Like for, yeah. Right. Absolutely. Also, there was not a. Like there was not a framework in place that allowed people to get off the street should they want to, or you know, like, like you just can't really have a, all drugs are legal, or small amounts of drugs are legal without also offering or creating a structure for people to get help. Mary Carreon: That, that's, you can't do one without the other. Unfortunately. That's just like a, that's faulty from the start. So that's all I'll really say about that. And I don't think that that had fully been implemented yet, even though it was something that wasn't ideal for the, um, for the, for the measure. And I believe it was measure one 10, not measure 1 0 9, to be clear. Mary Carreon: Measure one 10. Um, yes, but confirmed one 10 confirmed one 10, yes. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, uh, that's, you know, that's kind of what I'll say. That's what I'll, that's where I'll leave that portion. Mm-hmm. You know? Uh, but yeah, forced treatment. I don't know. [00:57:00] We can't be forcing, forcing people to do stuff like that. Mary Carreon: I don't know. It's not gonna, it's, yeah, it doesn't seem Joe Moore: very humane. Mary Carreon: Yeah. No. And it also probably isn't gonna work, so, Joe Moore: right. Like, if we're being conservative with money, like, I like tote, like to put on Republican boots once in a while and say like, what does this feel like? And then say like, okay, if we're trying to spend money smartly, like where do we actually get where we want to be? Joe Moore: And then sometimes I put on my cross and I'm like, okay, if I'm trying to be Christian, like where is the most, like, what is the most Christian behavior here in terms of like, what would the, you know, buddy Jesus want to do? And I'm just like, okay, cool. Like, that doesn't seem right. Like those things don't seem to align. Joe Moore: And when we can find like compassionate and efficient things, like isn't that the path? Um, Mary Carreon: compassionate and t. Yeah, even, I don't know, I don't know if it looks lefty these days, but Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Yeah. [00:58:00] Yeah. Um, yeah, it's complicated. It's complicated, you know, but going back, kind of, kind of pivoting and going back to what you were talking about in regards to the subtext, some of the subtext of like, you know, where psychedelic medicine is currently getting its most funding. Mary Carreon: You know, I do believe that that was an undercurrent at psychedelic science. It was the, the iboga conversation. And there's, there's a lot, there's a lot happening with the Iboga conversation and the Iboga conversation and, um, I am really trying to be open to listening to everyone's messages that are currently involved in. Mary Carreon: That rise of that medicine right now? Um, obviously, yeah, we will see, we'll see how it goes. There's obviously a lot of people who believe that this is not the right move, uh, just because there's been no discussions with, uh, the Wii people of West Africa and, you know, because of [00:59:00] that, like we are not talking to the indigenous people about how we are using their medicine, um, or medicine that does like that comes from, that comes from Africa. Mary Carreon: Um, also with that, I know that there is a massive just devastating opioid crisis here that we need to do something about and drug crisis that we need to be helping with. And this medicine is something that can really, really, really help. Um, I find it absolutely fascinating that the right is the most interested party in moving all of this forward, like psychedelic medicine forward. Mary Carreon: And I, I currently have my popcorn and I am watching and I am eating it, and I am going to witness whatever goes down. Um, but I'm, I, I hope that, uh, things are moving in a way that is going to be beneficial for the people and also not completely leave behind the indigenous communities where this medicine comes from. Joe Moore: [01:00:00] Mm-hmm. Mary Carreon: We'll see how it goes. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. It Joe Moore: would be lovely if we can figure it out. Um, I know, and I think, uh, Lucy Walker has a film coming out on Iboga. Mm. I got to see it at Aspen, um, symposium last summer, and it was really good. Mm. So I'm sure it'll be cut different, but it's so good and it tells that story. Joe Moore: Okay. Um, in a helpful way. I'm gonna, I, yeah. I always say I'm gonna do this. I'm like, if I have space, maybe I'll be able to email her and see if we can screen it in Colorado. But it's like a brilliant film. Yeah. Cool. This whole reciprocity conversation is interesting and challenging. And so challenging being one of the few countries that did not sign onto the Nagoya protocol. Joe Moore: Absolutely. We're not legally bound, you know, some countries are Mary Carreon: I know. Yes, yes, yes. So Joe Moore: we're, you know, how do we do that? How do we do that skillfully? We still haven't done it with, um, first Nations folks around their [01:01:00] substances. Um, I think mushrooms are a little flexible and account of them being global, um, from Africa to Ireland and beyond. Joe Moore: And, but you know, that's, we still want to give a nod to the people in Mexico for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah, it's, I had some fun commentary there that I would love to flesh out someday. Uh, but yeah, it's not for today. Mary Carreon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, there's, yeah, there's obviously, there's obviously a lot with the conversation of reciprocity here and, um, I know, I, I don't know. Mary Carreon: I, I, what I do know is that we need to be listening to the indigenous people, not just listening to them second, like secondhand or listening to them, uh, once we have moved something forward, like actually consulting with them as the process goes. And that, you know, the way that both parties move, indigenous folks and, uh, western folks move, uh, are at inherently different paces. Mary Carreon: And, [01:02:00] um, I just hope, and I wish, and I, I hope, I just hope that, uh, Western what, like the Western party, the western folks who are diving into these medicines. Slow the fuck down and listen and just are able to at least make one right move. Just one, just like you. Like it's, doesn't have to be this, it doesn't have to be that hard. Mary Carreon: Although the pace of capitalism usually propels, uh, the western folks at, at a much quicker rate than, u