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AI is rapidly becoming an essential tool across industries, but for real estate and asset management, it's no longer optional. In his fourth appearance on the podcast, Neal Bawa returns to deliver a powerful masterclass on AI in real estate. Neal is the CEO and Founder/Cofounder of Grocapitus, Multifamily University, and Mission10K. Known as “the Mad Scientist of Multifamily,” his insights have helped him build an asset portfolio nearing $1 billion. Neal begins by reintroducing himself before diving into best practices for using AI in real estate. He explains how ChatGPT supports his developments and investment strategies, why AI excels at recommendations and comparisons, and how machine learning can save both time and money. He also shares tips on making AI tools more effective in the workplace. You'll learn why AI is indispensable for real estate professionals, how to leverage ChatGPT's “deep research” feature, and how AI can identify potential vulnerabilities to avoid legal issues. Neal also reveals how he uses AI for market research and which data sets he inputs to get the best results from ChatGPT. Tune in to find out how AI is transforming real estate (and how you can stay ahead of the curve)!Key Points From This Episode:AI in real estate, plus best practices for maximization. Why you should be using AI in everything you do.How Neal's ChatGPT Absorption Metric informs new developments and investments.The joys of leaning on AI for recommendations and why it's best for making comparisons.Ways to make AI fun and rewarding for everyone at work. Becoming an AI master, saving valuable time, and the power of “deep research.”How AI can help identify vulnerabilities in contracts and agreements, minimizing legal costs.The data sets Neal and his team feed ChatGPT to get the best results.How AI fuels his market research. Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:Neal Bawa on LinkedInNeal Bawa on InstagramNeal Bawa on FacebookNeal Bawa on YouTubeGrocapitusMultifamily UniversityMission10K Episode 5: Marketing with Neal BawaEpisode 116: Boosting Net Operating Income with PropTech with Neal BawaEpisode 185: Neal Bawa – Less Distress ChatGPTMicrosoft TeamsCoStar RealPage Yardi Asset Management Mastery Facebook GroupBreak of Day Capital Break of Day Capital InstagramBreak of Day Capital YouTubeGary Lipsky on LinkedInJoseph Fang on LinkedIn
Real estate visionary Neal Bawa, CEO of Grocapitus and MultifamilyU, returns to the podcast. Neal always presents a compelling data-driven forecast that should capture every investor's attention. Despite current market uncertainties, Bawa reveals a significant 5-million-unit housing shortage alongside plummeting inflation rates, positioning the US as the strongest performer among developed economies. Most notably, he predicts a dramatic surge in both single and multi-family rent growth during 2026-27, driven by high interest rates creating supply gaps. With homeownership projected to decrease to 60% within a decade, the rental market is poised for unprecedented strength. This perfect storm of undersupply, shifting demographics, and economic conditions suggests a golden opportunity for strategic real estate investors, particularly in the multi-family sector, with promising rent growth anticipated as early as late 2025. Highlights/Topics: Hard data trumps market fear: why the numbers tell a different story US economy dominates globally as inflation drops from 6% to 2.4% Rising national wealth meets housing crisis: housing investment opportunity New construction wave promises better prices for entry-level housing market Five million unit shortage creates perfect storm for 2026-27 housing gap Massive rent increases predicted across all housing sectors in 2026-27 Historic shift: Homeownership dropping to 60%, rental demand soars nationwide Real estate investments outperform during global inflationary cycles and market shifts 2025 forecast: Interest rates and delinquencies reshape investment landscape ahead Strategic opportunity: Significant rent growth predicted for late 2025 market Visit multifamilyu.com to dive deeper into these insights! Resources: MultiFamily Website https://multifamilyu.com/ Schedule Your FREE Consultation https://andersonadvisors.com/strategy-session/?utm_source=predicting-2025-real-estate-trends&utm_medium=podcast Tax and Asset Protection Events https://andersonadvisors.com/real-estate-asset-protection-workshop-training/?utm_source=predicting-2025-real-estate-trends&utm_medium=podcast Anderson Advisors https://andersonadvisors.com/
Get an inside look at how Neal Bawa, a commercial real estate visionary, uses advanced analytics to reshape traditional investment strategies. Discover his bold vision for a future where real estate competes with the stock market in terms of liquidity and size. Dive into our discussion about the revolutionary impact of technology on real estate, strategic market selection, and harnessing data to identify prime investment opportunities. Key Takeaways To Listen For The superiority of data over intuition in real estate investment Significant tax advantages of real estate investments Anecdote of leveraging existing assets and smart financing Unexpected emerging market opportunities How potential changes in governmental policies affect real estate Resources/Links Mentioned In This Episode Udemy The Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod Paperback and Kindle About Neal Bawa Neal Bawa is the CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment firms managing a portfolio of over 4,800 units with a $1 billion AUM upon completion. Renowned for leveraging cutting-edge real estate analytics, Neal's innovative approach attracts data-driven investors. His free Real Estate Data Analytics course on Udemy has over 10,000 students and 1,000+ five-star reviews. Neal speaks at top real estate conferences, hosts webinars for 5,000+ investors annually, and leads popular boot camps. A visionary, Neal predicts Proptech and Fintech innovations will revolutionize commercial real estate, transforming it into a liquid, tradable asset class rivaling the stock market. Connect with Neal Website: UGRO | Grocapitus Investments | Multifamily University LinkedIn: Neal Bawa Facebook: Neal Bawa Instagram: @nealbawa TikTok: @nealbawa Connect With Us If you're looking to invest your hard-earned money into cash-flowing, value-add assets, reach out to us at https://bobocapitalventures.com/. Follow Keith's social media pages LinkedIn: Keith Borie Investor Club: Secret Passive Cashflow Investors Club Facebook: Keith Borie X: @BoboLlc80554
We're excited to welcome the “Mad Scientist of Multifamily” Neal Bawa back on the show for the 2024 market updates, particularly on the multifamily space! Listen in to Neal's data-based approach in this episode!Key Points & Relevant TopicsThe current state of the economy and multifamily marketHow the current trends affect the major real estate marketsNeal's perspectives and data points on distressed markets and distressed propertiesDoes the distress in the market affect the multifamily space?How people can continue to thrive and find opportunities in real estate despite the challenges in the marketThe impact of immigration on rent and housing supply in the USWhy it's a good idea to buy land in today's marketNeal's insight on the investors' sentiments about the real estate marketThe future of real estate Resources & LinksTo get the latest updates on Neal's webinars, visit https://multifamilyu.com/ to learn how to join.Apartment Syndication Due Diligence Checklist for Passive InvestorAbout Neal BawaNeal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for over 900 investors. Current portfolio over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. Get in Touch with NealWebsite: https://grocapitus.com/ / https://ugronow.com/ To Connect With UsPlease visit our website www.bonavestcapital.com and click here to leave a rating and written review!
It's common to feel stuck when your mindset or approach to business and investing starts to feel restrictive, especially as you try to break through to new levels of success. There's often a sense that you're working hard but not seeing the growth you're aiming for. The challenge lies in overcoming those mental barriers and old patterns that no longer serve you. Shifting your perspective can be difficult, but it can also open up new opportunities and ways of thinking that allow you to move forward with more confidence and creativity. Neil Bawa is the CEO and founder of UGRO and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies that leverage cutting-edge analytics to source and acquire large properties across the United States. He is also the CEO and founder of Multifamily University. With a background in computer science and data analysis, Neil has built a multi-million dollar real estate portfolio and shares his expertise through speaking engagements and educational initiatives. Today, Neil discusses his unique journey into real estate, starting from building custom campuses for his technology company to amassing a portfolio of over 4,800 units worth over $1 billion. Stay tuned! Resources UGRO: Brand New Luxury Condo Homes Grocapitus: Multifamily Apartment Investing Multifamily University: Smart Investing Made Easy Neil Bawa on LinkedIn Neil Bawa on Facebook
ABOUT NEAL BAWANeal Bawa is CEO / Founder at Grocapitus and Mission 10K, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for over 1,000 investors. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data-driven) investors who share his vision – that data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually online. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. THIS TOPIC IN A NUTSHELL: Neal as the “mad scientist” of real estateHow Grocapitus startedWhat is mission 10k?Acquisition and Development Challenges of interest rates spikeHis Insight on the real estate market in the next two years How to Forecast Housing Demand and Supply Knowing the different markets to investEffect of the spike of interest rates on DevelopmentFED's role in rates and impact on the economyAbout the Super Value Add Deal Location, metrics, and what they like about the propertyRaising capital Value Add Implementation and ReturnsChallenges encountered along the wayConnect with Neal KEY QUOTE: “A lot of times you'll find opportunity in a deal, but you have to be able to follow through and solve challenges. You constantly try to look for solutions to every problem. That is the true value we created there.” SUMMARY OF BUSINESS: Grocapitus Investments is a very fast-growing Multifamily Real Estate Investment company based in Fremont, CA. Grocapitus sources, acquires, manages, and develops large Multifamily, Build-to-Rent, and Fourplex communities in many states across the U.S. We help people become financially free by investing in apartment buildings, student housing and self-storage properties in high-quality markets nationwide. We also build best in class new construction multiplexes and student housing. ABOUT THE WESTSIDE INVESTORS NETWORK The Westside Investors Network is your community for investing knowledge for growth. For real estate professionals by real estate professionals. This show is focused on the next step in your career... investing, for those starting with nothing to multifamily syndication. The Westside Investors Network strives to bring knowledge and education to real estate professionals that is seeking to gain more freedom in their life. The host AJ and Chris Shepard, are committed to sharing the wealth of knowledge that they have gained throughout the years to allow others the opportunity to learn and grow in their investing. They own Uptown Properties, a successful Property Management, and Brokerage Company. If you are interested in Property Management in the Portland Metro or Bend Metro Areas, please visit www.uptownpm.com. If you are interested in investing in multifamily syndication, please visit www.uptownsyndication.com. #RealEstateInvesting #RealEstate #Syndication #AparmentInvesting #MultifamilyPortfolio #AssetManagement #MultifamilyInvestment #CommercialRealEstate #CashFlowing #PropertyManagement #MarketShift #DownTurn #Acquisitions #AssetUnderManagement #MarketInsights #MarketPrediction #DataAnalytics #DataDriven #RealEstateDataAnalytics #DataMethodologies #MadScientist #MadScientistOfMultifamily #DataGuru #RaisingCapital #RealEstateInvestment #RentalProperty #PassiveWealth #WealthBuilder #InvestmentInsights #JoinTheWINpod #WestsideInvestorsNetwork CONNECT WITH NEAL:Website: https://multifamilyu.comGrocapitus Investments: https://grocapitus.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa CONNECT WITH US For more information about investing with AJ and Chris: · Uptown Syndication | https://www.uptownsyndication.com/ · LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/company/71673294/admin/ For information on Portland Property Management: · Uptown Properties | http://www.uptownpm.com · Youtube | @UptownProperties Westside Investors Network · Website | https://www.westsideinvestorsnetwork.com/ · Twitter | https://twitter.com/WIN_pdx · Instagram | @westsideinvestorsnetwork · LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13949165/ · Facebook | @WestsideInvestorsNetwork · Tiktok| @WestsideInvestorsNetwork · Youtube | @WestsideInvestorsNetwork
In this episode of the Building Wealth Through Commercial Real Estate Podcast, we sit down with the legendary Neal Bawa, CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus. With a portfolio of over 4,800 units and an AUM exceeding $1 billion, Neal is a true visionary in the commercial real estate space. He shares the innovative data-driven methodologies that have propelled his companies to the forefront of the industry, helping over 900 investors achieve significant returns.Neal dives deep into how his team leverages cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source, acquire, and build large commercial properties across the U.S. He discusses the importance of data over gut feeling in making investment decisions and explains how his approach is attracting a growing community of data-savvy investors.With over 10,000 students taking his Real Estate Data Analytics course on Udemy and thousands attending his webinars and boot camps, Neal is on a mission to educate and empower investors. Tune in to hear his predictions on the future of commercial real estate, the impact of Proptech and Fintech, and why he believes this asset class will eventually outgrow the stock market.This is a must-listen episode for anyone interested in the future of real estate investing!In this episode, we discussed:Neal's journey in real estateTips for multi-family investingUnderstanding the marketHow problems create opportunityThe impact of Proptech and FintechCONNECT WITH NEAL:WebsiteEmail: neal@grocapitus.com(415) 326-8878CONNECT WITH JONATHANTo connect with Jonathan, you can send an email to info@greystonecapgroup.com or schedule a time to chat.To learn more about real estate investment opportunities, join the Greystone Capital Investor Network.Thanks for listening and until next time!
This Flashback Friday is from episode 1185, published last May 2, 2019. Jason brings this episode to you from China, where he has seen the impact of the rising middle class. While it may seem to be a world away, the growth in construction in China is impacting the cost of construction here in the United States as well. Then Jason talks with Anna Myers, Vice President of Grocapitus, about how to analyze deals, specifically for multifamily. Anna's group is all about finding the right deals in the right market, and she talks with Jason about which markets are looking good and which are past their peak, along with why the demographics for real estate investors is still incredibly bullish. Key Takeaways: Jason's editorial 3:52 The Chinese surveillance state is rampant and the country seems very wary of terrorism 7:28 The rising middle class in China has led to a large amount of higher end stores 11:08 All buildings are made from the same materials, so when there's a building boom in China it impacts builders everywhere Anna Myers Interview 13:45 What is Anna's definition of "data driven real estate investing"? 19:00 How can you know when the supply of starts is going to meet the demand for jobs? 22:28 Things you need to be looking for at the neighborhood level of your market 28:13 Anna's team is looking at approximately 80 markets a quarter 32:05 What kind of properties does Anna have in her portfolio? 34:24 The stigma of renting is gone as Millennials and Baby Boomers are now renting Website: www.JasonHartman.com/Properties www.Grocapitus.com www.MultiFamilyU.com Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class: Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate deals for investment or build a great business – Free Course: https://www.jasonhartman.com/deals Special Offer from Ron LeGrand: https://JasonHartman.com/Ron Free Mini-Book on Pandemic Investing: https://www.PandemicInvesting.com
Despite the negative press, there have been fewer than 1% of multifamily properties taken back by banks. Even with the tailwinds of late, including declining rents, higher interest rates and higher expenses, most borrowers are servicing their debt. In general, multifamily has proven to be a resilient asset class. With prices having come down 25%, now may be an opportune time to buy. The cost of single-family homeownership has gotten out of reach for most first-time homebuyers, and more millennials and Gen Zers prefer to rent. As a result, the rental pool is actually expanding. Oversupply is making occupancy numbers challenging, but new supply will be absorbed over the next few years. Neal Bawa, Founder of GroCapitus, is searching for multifamily projects to Invest in at the right price, and is also investing in Build-to-Rent communities.
In this episode, Toby Mathis of Anderson Business Advisors welcomes Neal Bawa back to the show for another eye-opening appearance. Neal is the founder and CEO of Grocapitus, a commercial real estate investment company, and CEO of MultifamilyU, an apartment investing education company. Neal reports some jaw-dropping stats: 18 million families are priced out of homeownership due to salary versus mortgage disparities. Landlords are poised with a peak supply of 673,000 apartments in 2024, but the market will experience a shortage and price hikes in 2025-2026. The Federal Reserve's interest rate policies aim to balance inflation and affordability concerns, potentially influencing market dynamics. Investors are advised to target multifamily properties and land purchases, focusing on 5-unit properties over smaller units and considering assumable loans for strategic advantages in the current market landscape. Highlights/Topics: Market progress since Covid Increases - Salaries vs. Mortgages 18 million families have been priced out of home ownership Opportunities for landlords - supply is peaking - 673,000 apartments in 2024 2025-2026 will see extreme apartment shortages and price hikes Interest rates and the Fed Inflation vs. rate cuts, affordability may improve Possible zig-zagging market price fluctuations What should investors do “right now”? Current advantages in the multi-family market, land purchases Why you should be looking at 5-unit properties, not 1-4 units Look for assumable loans Time is your friend in today's market Resources: Gro Capitus Website https://www.grocapitus.com/ MultiFamily Website https://multifamilyu.com/ Watch Neal Bawa “Feds Broke the Bank- Is Real Estate Safe?” March 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-zObxj7NPk Anderson Advisors https://andersonadvisors.com/ Anderson Advisors on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaL-wApuVYi2Va5dWzyTYVw Anderson Advisors Podcast https://andersonadvisors.com/podcast/ Clint Coons YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5GX-U6VbvMkhSM1ONBiW8w
Neal Bawa, founder of Grocapitus, joins us to discuss his team's approach to evaluating markets, assets, and the current economic conditions. Neal Bawa is a technologist who is universally known in real estate circles as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Connect with Neal at https://grocapitus.com/. To join the DJE Investor list visit https://www.djetexas.com/incomefund. the-dje-podcast-with-neal-bawa The post The DJE Podcast #268 with Neal Bawa first appeared on DJE Texas Management Group.
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Neal Bawa, CEO & Founder of UGro and Grocapitus, explores the latest market trends, the repercussions of recent economic changes, and the future landscape and opportunities of multifamily investing. Connect with Ben Fraser on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/benwfraser/ Connect with Neal Bawa on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Access our FREE training on How to Invest in Private Credit: https://www.privatecreditmasterclass.com/sign-up Access our FREE Economic Report: https://www.investwithaspen.com/free-economic-report This podcast is sponsored by Aspen Funds which focuses on Private Credit, Industrial Real Estate, and Oil and Gas offerings for accredited investors: https://aspenfunds.us/ Follow Aspen Funds LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aspen-funds/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aspenfunds/
Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large commercial properties across the U.S. Current portfolio is over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. To get in touch with Neal, reach out to him on this website: https://multifamilyu.com/ Keeping it Real Estate is brought to you by Granite Towers Equity Group, helping investors create passive income through multifamily real estate. To get in touch with the founders of Granite Towers, Mike Roeder and Dan Brisse, visit https://www.granitetowersequitygroup.com/contact.
Get my new book: https://bronsonequity.com/fireyourself Download my new special report - How to Use Inflation to Your Advantage - www.bronsonequity.com/inflation Welcome to this episode. Today we discuss investment strategies and market projections for the year 2024. Joining us is a distinguished panel of esteemed professionals in the realm of real estate renowned for their expertise, innovative strategies, and outstanding contributions to the industry. Brien Lundin President and CEO of Jefferson Financial, Inc., and the driving force behind the renowned New Orleans Investment Conference and Gold Newsletter. With over four decades of experience in investment markets, Brien's insights span resource stocks, macroeconomics, and geopolitical dynamics. Bridger Pennington Co-Founder of Fund Launch and GP at Ugly Unicorn. Founder of Black Bridge Holdings, Bridger embarked on his entrepreneurial journey at the age of 22. With over 225 deals to his name, Bridger is dedicated to empowering aspiring fund managers through Fund Launch. Neal Bawa the Mad Scientist of Multifamily and CEO/Founder of Grocapitus. Known for his data-driven approach and expertise in commercial real estate, Neal is a sought-after speaker and thought leader in the industry. In this episode, our esteemed panel will dissect pressing topics including the economic outlook for 2024, the impact of interest rate fluctuations, and the role of digital currency in reshaping the financial landscape. Additionally, we'll explore real estate market dynamics, cryptocurrency trends, and the potential of alternative investments in the current climate. Tune in now for exclusive insights from our expert panelists and stay ahead of the curve in your investment journey! TIMESTAMPS 00:40 - Guest Introduction: Brien Lundin, Bridger Pennington, and Neal Bawa 02:38 - Economic outlook for 2024 and the impact of higher interest rates 04:57 - Market predictions and concerns for potential rate cuts and economic impact. 09:35 - The impact of rate cuts on different assets 15:20 - The potential impact of the Federal Reserve's rate cutting cycle on various investments 20:15 - The role of digital currency in the economy reset 24:03 - The discussion on debt, currencies, and the potential for a shift in the financial system 30:02 - Real estate market insights and investment opportunities 34:20 - The current state and future outlook of the cryptocurrency market 38:50 - The potential for gold and uranium in the current market 44:13 - The impact of the election on metal prices and the potential of blockchain technology 50:13 - The potential impact of digital currencies on real estate Connecting with the Guests: Brien Lundin Website: https://www.jeffersoncompanies.com/ https://neworleansconference.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brien-lundin-b37a4819/ X: https://twitter.com/GoldNewsletter Bridger Pennington Website: https://blog.investmentfundsecrets.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bridger-pennington-670035127/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bridger_pennington/?hl=en Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1_NBRSd-yIX6tyg31RzCew Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bridgerpenningtonifs/ X: https://twitter.com/bridger_penn?lang=en Linktree: https://linktr.ee/ifs.links Neal Bawa Website: https://multifamilyu.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealbawa/?hl=en Twitter: https://twitter.com/nealbawa/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NealBawaMFU/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@MultifamilyU #EconomicOutlook #MultifamilyInsights #InvestmentStrategies
Want more of Neal Bawa's expertise in real estate analysis and data-driven insights? We're glad to have him back on the show for the latest trends and opportunities in the housing market!Level up your understanding of what's real in today's market condition, valuable information about the economy in general, and the potential of single-family and multifamily investments. Tune in because this episode might help you thrive and make better decisions in an environment surrounded by negativities.Key Points & Relevant TopicsThe unusual situation of the real estate market from 2023 to presentFed's role in recovering the economy, cutting rates, and improving employment and rent growthNeal's point of view on people listening to negative information and the truth behind these negative news Why 2024 is a great year and opportunistic for future investors and home buyersFreddy Mac's single-family and multifamily space's outlook forecasts in 2024Neal on capitalizing from 2024's opportunities and the root cause of investors' fearsReasons to give small real estate markets a try and stay away from hot marketsWhat is “land squatting” Resources & LinksFirst Episode with Neal: SA317 | The Future of Multifamily Real Estate Investing Apartment Syndication Due Diligence Checklist for Passive InvestorAbout Neal BawaNeal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for over 900 investors. Current portfolio over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. Get in Touch with NealWebsite: https://multifamilyu.com/ To Connect With UsPlease visit our website www.bonavestcapital.com and click here to leave a rating and written review!
MapableUSA.com: Multifamily investing can only go up because housing is always a concern, right? Well, the truth of the matter is that the multifamily and commercial real estate markets are experiencing an unprecedented level of stormy turbulence. In this podcast, Neal Bawa, the CEO and founder of MultifamilyU and Grocapitus explains the many factors wreaking havoc on this investment landscape – and how you can find the silver lining present in every storm many call “opportunity”.
Join Seth Bradley and Neal Bawa in this encore episode of the Passive Income Attorney Podcast as they chat about how data science can help you predict the future and prevent you from losing all your capital during this uncertain economic landscape. Neal will share his expert insight into identifying extraordinary investment opportunities, even during turbulent times. Enjoy the episode! Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Combining data science with Real Estate How to be successful at many things Are we in a recession? The debate continues on Analysis of the last six recessions and how this one shapes up Where smart investors should place their capital during uncertain times How to multiply your wealth during a recession The “Super Value Add” concept ABOUT | NEAL BAWA: Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 700 investors. The current portfolio is over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data-driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His Facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. He also believes that the Build-to-rent will become a much larger and more profitable part of the Multifamily asset class over the next 5 years, due to its uniquely desirable characteristics. Neal's vision is to combine the Build-to-rent asset class with blockchain tokenization to democratize commercial real estate. FIND | NEAL BAWA: Website: www.grocapitus.com LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealbawa/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NealBawaMFU/ ✈️ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY:
Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large commercial properties across the U.S. Current portfolio is over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. If you want to reach out to Neal to access his presentation about why NOW is the best time to buy Multifamily, please email him at neal@grocapitus.com Keeping it Real Estate is brought to you by Granite Towers Equity Group, helping investors create passive income through multifamily real estate. To get in touch with the founders of Granite Towers, Mike Roeder and Dan Brisse, visit https://www.granitetowersequitygroup.com/contact
In this episode, the Mad Scientist of Multifamily, Neal Bawa, outlines the power of data and how it can guide starters like you in the multifamily industry, from selecting the best markets to operating properties like a pro. Learn from his perspective to take the proper steps to thrive in today's unique market conditions and more when you tune in! Key Takeaways To Listen For How vital it is to use data science when investing in real estate 2 main drivers of real estate market growth The ideal tactic to boost an acquired multifamily property's returns A formula to consider to identify the right rents for your properties Multifamily fundamentals that you must be aware of Resources/Links Mentioned In This Episode Zillow Trulia U.S Bureau of Labor Statistics R Project Udemy Location Magic Facebook Marketplace The Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod | Kindle and Paperback About Neal Bawa Neal is the CEO and founder of Ugro and Grocapitus. These companies employ state-of-the-art real estate analytics technology to identify, procure, and even develop expansive commercial properties nationwide, catering to the needs of more than 800 investors. Neal's portfolio boasts over 4,800 units, with an anticipated Asset Under Management (AUM) value exceeding $1 billion upon finalization. He is also the CEO and founder of Multifamily University. Neal believes in the power of data. His groundbreaking Real Estate Data Analytics course on Udemy has attracted over 10,000 eager learners and garnered an astonishing 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal is a sought-after speaker at real estate conferences nationwide, captivating audiences of over 5,000 investors annually through his multifamily webinars and Magic of Multifamily boot camps. Connect with Neal Website: Multifamily University | Mission 10K LinkedIn: Neal Bawa Youtube: Multifamily University Connect With Us If you're looking to invest your hard-earned money into cash-flowing, value-add assets, reach out to us at https://bobocapitalventures.com/. Follow Keith's social media pages LinkedIn: Keith Borie Investor Club: Secret Passive Cashflow Investors Club Facebook: Keith Borie X: @BoboLlc80554
Failed deals. Capital calls. Lost investor money. A dreadful and sobering conversation ensues for many some commercial real estate sectors. Residential (1-4 unit) and commercial (5+ unit) real estate fortunes are decoupling. Multifamily commercial loans are at the mercy of interest rate resets. Residential is stable due to low supply and sustained demand. Neal Bawa from MultifamilyU and I outline the multifamily problem. Values have plummeted 25%. The magnitude of the multifamily problem is about 1/80th of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis. There are two reasons for the office apocalypse—both declining income and increasing expenses. Only 3% of office buildings in downtown cores have a floor plan that can be converted to residential. Dreadful. There will be possible discounts in the hotel industry due to a lack of funding and loans. Retail has surprising bright spots. We discuss the future of rents through 2026. Will multifamily problems create contagion into 1-4 unit residential? We discuss. Timestamps: Multifamily industry changes and challenges [00:00:46] Discussion on the new difficulties faced in multifamily, such as failed deals, capital calls, and banking industry challenges. Opportunity arising in the multifamily market [00:01:12] Exploration of the current opportunity in the multifamily market due to a 25% reduction in prices from the peak, caused by distressed transactions and high interest costs. Anatomy of the problem with floating rate debt [00:05:57] Explanation of the issues faced by apartment building owners or syndicators when they have floating rate debt without rate caps, leading to potential deal blow-ups. The rate cap issue [00:08:29] Discussion on operators neglecting to buy a rate cap or buying a rate cap set too high, leading to negative cash flow. Magnitude of the multifamily reset problem [00:09:47] Comparison of the current multifamily reset problem to the global financial crisis, highlighting the challenges faced by operators. Challenges in refinancing properties [00:12:10] Explanation of the challenges faced by properties in refinancing due to decreased net operating income and increased mortgage costs, leading to potential loss of investor money. The availability of multifamily loans [00:16:50] Neil discusses the availability of commercial real estate loans, particularly in the multifamily space, and how it differs from other asset classes. Lending challenges in the commercial real estate space [00:18:03] Neil talks about the severe lending challenges faced by asset classes like office, retail, and self-storage, while expressing confidence in the stability of multifamily lending. Contagion and the impact on the 1 to 4 unit space [00:20:56] Neil discusses the limited level of contagion that could affect the 1 to 4 unit space due to problems in the multifamily market, highlighting the healthiness of the single-family market and institutional interest in it. The Troubled Office Sector [00:25:35] The speaker discusses how the office sector is facing a long-term demand crisis due to the decrease in office occupancy and the challenges of converting office buildings into residential units. The Ten-Year Problem in the Office Sector [00:27:06] The speaker explains that the office sector is about to face a ten-year problem, with defaults and declining values affecting the downtown core and other assets. Bright Spots in Retail and Hotels [00:29:21] The speaker highlights that retail occupancy is higher than multifamily occupancy, and despite the Amazon effect, retail is doing well. They also mention that hotels have seen strong recovery post-pandemic. Hotels and Multifamily Discounts [00:32:55] Discussion on the current cash flow opportunities in hotels and multifamily properties, potential discounts in the next 12 months. Retail Reinvention and Rents in a Recession [00:33:57] Exploration of how retail can sustain itself through experiential offerings, the resilience of rents in past recessions. Artificial Recession and Rent Growth [00:35:33] Analysis of the possibility of a recession and its impact on rents, the strength of the US economy, and the expected short duration of the recession. The recession and its frequency [00:40:56] Discussion on the frequency of recessions and how they are a normal part of the business cycle. Learning opportunities at MultifamilyU.com [00:41:31] Information on the webinars offered by multifamily ewcom, covering various topics including single-family and multifamily projects. Appreciation for Neil Bawa's insights [00:42:22] The host expresses gratitude for Neil Bawa's informative contributions and welcomes him back on the show. 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He's a data guru, self-described self-described process freak, and an outsourcing expert. He's a ten figure man with his billion dollar plus multifamily portfolio and his 900 plus investors. He's also the CEO at a multifamily education company because he's a really good teacher. It's been about a year and a half since you were first here. Welcome back to Neal Bawa. Speaker 1 (00:00:40) - Well, thanks for having me back on. It's it's a delight to be back. Had a fantastic conversation with you last time. So I'm looking forward to this one. We did. Speaker 2 (00:00:46) - The last one was so fun and spirited. But my gosh, since then, Neal, about a year and a half ago, so much has changed in the multifamily industry. We know that a lot of new difficulties have come into multifamily, like failed deals and capital calls and the need to raise bridge debt and banking industry challenges. Speaker 2 (00:01:06) - So where would you like to start to help give us some perspective on all that? Speaker 1 (00:01:12) - Well, think opportunity is finally here. You know, when when we talked a year and a half ago, I was I said things like, well, prices are too high. I said things like, I don't know where the margins are. I don't know how people make deals work. I don't know how they make them pencil out. Right. Um, in some ways, I'm still saying some of those things, but it's certainly not because of pricing anymore. So, you know, the single family market is a perfect sort of benchmark for the world that live in multifamily. As far as I know, in the last 12 months, single family prices have either been flat or up 1% or down 1%, depending upon which analyst you pick. But it's certainly been an extremely, extraordinarily stable market in terms of prices, where it's it's you know, the volume, of course, has cratered. It's down a ridiculous percentage. Speaker 1 (00:02:00) - Whereas multifamily was an industry that has hurt more because of the portion of multifamily that was purchased or traded in the 2020, 2021 and 2022 time frame. Almost all of those trades happened using bridge loans which were floating, whereas almost all single family transactions were 30 year fixed loans. Right. So so two completely different things have happened. Normally the single family and multifamily market tend to be in lockstep. And that's certainly been the case for ten years. But over the last 18 months, single family and multifamily have separated from each other. And the big reason for that is almost all of the distressed transactions that you're talking about, that you're alluding to all of those cash calls. They are related to bridge loans, which had floating debt. And that floating debt has gone from, you know, 6% to ten, eight, you know, 11%, even for for some of these, these operators making it extremely difficult to make numbers work, making it very difficult to pencil. But on the good side, we've now seen compared to the peak, which was probably about 20, 21 months ago, we've seen a 25% reduction in prices, which is huge because we mean multifamily usually as an asset class, doesn't go down 25% simply because it its value is based on rents, you know, and rents rarely go down. Speaker 1 (00:03:22) - They hardly went down for 6 or 7 months in 2008, so we didn't see much of a decline there in 2008, simply because, you know, the, the, the income was strong, but this time, the much, much higher cost of interest means that our overall post mortgage income is down. And that's why prices are down 25%. So both opportunity and distress in the multifamily space. Speaker 2 (00:03:46) - That's such a staggering number. So let's frame that. Multifamily prices down 25% since their peak or year over year. And then just to be clear, we're talking about five plus unit residential apartment buildings with that figure. Speaker 1 (00:04:01) - Yes, I'm glad you asked the question that way because I do need to qualify a few things. So so first thing is down from peak and depending upon different markets, the peak was either the last quarter of 2021 or the first quarter of 2022. And in a couple of markets, even the second quarter of 2022. So it's I'm not saying year over year, it's basically they're down 25% in the last 18 or 20 months. Speaker 1 (00:04:25) - Um, so the second piece is that the down 25% is predominantly, let's call it hotter markets in the United States. So if we're talking about a steady Midwest market like Kansas City or Indianapolis, then you're probably seeing a decline of half that amount. So maybe 12.5, 13, 14%, where if you're talking about a very fast growing market, you know, all the Texan markets, the Floridian markets, then you might be seeing declines of that 25% level, since a lot of the transactions that did happen in the last two years were in the faster growing markets, that 25% number is still reasonable. And some people listening to this show might say, no, I don't think 25% is right. It's more like 20, it's more like 18. So I'll. Be at that by saying it's a pretty wide range. We're seeing as little as 18% in some of these fast growing markets, you know, hot markets. And we're also seeing markets like Phoenix, where we're seeing 27, 28% declines in price. Speaker 1 (00:05:23) - Also, the the range is dependent on the number of units. We are seeing smaller declines if you've got less than 100 units. Right. So smaller properties, we're seeing a smaller decline maybe 15%. And then when we are seeing properties that are 300 units or more, just the whoppers, we're seeing 30% declines in those assets. So so a lot of it is really dependent upon, you know, because the bigger the size, the harder it is to finance it these days, the less the banks want to take a risk on it. So the bigger the property, the harder, harder it's hit at this point of time. Speaker 2 (00:05:57) - The bigger the property, the less liquidity. So maybe, Neil, to help the listener get a full understanding, maybe you can take us through the anatomy of where a common problem is with what happens to an apartment building owner or syndicator when they got this floating rate debt and they didn't get a rate cap and rates spiked? What exactly happens that makes these deals blow up? Speaker 1 (00:06:24) - Right? First, want to, you know, set the size of the of the problem. Speaker 1 (00:06:28) - Right. So when you compare it to 2008, it's not comparable in 2008, the total size of distress or you know, potential distress was 8000 billion or $8 trillion. So it was it was a it was an absolutely staggering event. Luckily, not a lot of that distress actually happened. So that was good. But the the total size of distress was in that $8 trillion or $8000 billion range, the total size of distress in the multifamily market appears to be in the $100 billion range, so about 1/80 of the size of the distress in 2008. So keep that in mind. Also, as a percentage of the overall multifamily industry, there's about 100,000 multifamily properties in the United States that are on the bigger size. Let's call them more than 50 units. There's 20 million apartment units total. 100,000 are the bigger properties. Of those 100,000, the distressed portion of the portfolios is about, from what I can tell, about 3000 properties. Maybe it could be as much as 4000, but 3000 is a very common number. Speaker 1 (00:07:30) - So about 3% of the properties are distressed. And why are they distressed? Multifamily has been doing incredibly well. Rent growth has been phenomenal, especially in 2021 where it was 15%. Just so you know, they the 50 year average is about 2% rent growth. So 15% is you know, champagne time. So so we've certainly had positive trends. And we continue to see positive trends. You know there's there's less and less people can afford a mortgage. So there's basically a you know brand new renters being created every day because of mortgage rates being this high. But the, the the downside was that a portion of those 100,000 properties were purchased in late 2020, 2021 and then, you know, 2022, and they were purchased using floating debt. And the the so we're talking about those 3000 properties. Those 3000 properties either didn't have a rate cap. So when when you you're purchasing using, you know, bridge debt or floating debt, you want to buy a rate cap. So if rates do go up they hit that cap. Speaker 1 (00:08:29) - And then anything above that cap is something that the rate, you know, cap selling company reimburses to you. So that way you're not affected by but by going above that, well, some of these operators neglected to buy a rate cap, which was a really bad thing to do. But then there were others that other operators that bought a rate cap, but their rate cap was set too high. So, you know, they basically didn't think that rates would go up. So they did put a rate cap in. But instead of buying a rate cap at 6% or 7%, they may be bought a rate cap at 8 or 9. They were basically looking for the worst case scenario, and so they bought the cheapest rate cap that they could find. And now, you know, rates have gone up and they've already hit that rate cap. Maybe it's eight and a half or 9% and it had eight and a half or 9%. That mortgage is still too high for that property to cash flow. So now the property has negative cash flow. Speaker 1 (00:09:18) - So there's I personally know of a few dozen properties where the negative cash flow is between 20,000 and $200,000 a month. And that negative cash flow means that the syndicators, the the general partners are basically putting that money in themselves, or they're taking short term loans and they are now looking for a solution there and their solutions are limited. I can give you a list of those, but their solutions are limited because the property is is negative cash flow and nobody wants to touch a property that's negative cash flow. Speaker 2 (00:09:47) - Did we say that he's a data driven guy or what? That was some great perspective that the magnitude here of the multifamily reset problem has been about 1/80 of what the problem was in real estate during the global financial crisis. That was a great way to put things in perspective. Yeah, Neal, you know, it's such an interesting mindset that an operator would have the awareness to buy a rate cap with their floating rate debt, but yet not have the cap be low enough in order to keep them out of trouble. Speaker 2 (00:10:20) - That's really unusual to me. Do you have any idea what percent of operators have bought a rate cap with their floating rate debt? Speaker 1 (00:10:30) - I think a majority of them have. So I'd say more than 50% of the properties that were purchased during this time did have caps, but a lot of the caps were set high. So that that was a very common thing, where the caps were set to 8% or higher, as opposed to them being set at, you know, 6 or 6.5%. So it's more of a high cap issue rather than a no cap issue. And I think the bigger the secondary challenges, let's say let's say they had a good rate cap, right? So I bought it. Let's say you bought a property in the, um, let's call it the final quarter of 2020. And you bought a two year rate cap. And the rate cap was good. It was 6.5%. Yeah. Good for you. Right. But that rate cap was a two year rate cap. So now it expired basically last year. Speaker 1 (00:11:14) - And so since last year you're now up at 10 or 11%. And, you know, a year's gone by. Your property is bleeding. Maybe it was doing well, but now that it's been bleeding for a year and you've been paying all of that bleed out of your operating expenses, now you're in trouble. And maybe you bought it. Three rate cap. Well, if you bought the property in the final quarter of 2020, then in about a month or two months from now, we're in the final quarter of 2023. Well, that rate cap is going to be gone. And then maybe in the next three, 4 or 5, six, seven months, all of your operating budget, all of your operating, you know, fund is going to be, you know, gone because you have this much higher mortgage. So what's happening is that this is one of those situations where there isn't a trigger on any one particular day, and a huge number of properties come to market. There were a lot of properties purchased in the final quarter of 2020, all four quarters of 2021 and the first three quarters of 2022. Speaker 1 (00:12:10) - Right. So you're looking at a total of eight quarters. So each quarter, a certain percentage of those properties get to the point where either their rate cap is gone. Right. So it's finished because you bought a one year or two year rate cap, or they're they're at the point where even without the rate cap, their loan is expiring. So a lot of these bridge loans were two year loans and three year loans. And so the vast majority of the challenges that the multifamily industry is going to face are going to be in 2024, because that's when a vast majority of either rate caps or mortgages expire. And because because the net operating income of these properties has gone down and the and the mortgage cost has gone up, most of these properties cannot be refinanced. So I'd say out of the 3000 properties, you could probably refinance using some mechanism, a thousand of them, maybe a third of them. And that could be, you know, do a cash call, get, you know, money from your investors. Speaker 1 (00:13:07) - Or you could do what is known as a pref lending, where you basically take money from an outside party and that outside that extra money helps you refinance into into perm debt. So those are your options. And the third option, which is likely to be most common, is that you go out and sell your property. But from what I'm seeing, the vast majority of these properties that don't get refinanced. So out of 3000, the 2000 that don't get refinanced are likely to come to market, and the vast majority of them will end up losing all of their investor money or a majority of their investor money. And so you, you know, if it's a $100 billion problem, that's, you know, we're talking about 30 to $40 billion of investor money, and a majority of that 30 to $40 billion could be lost. Speaker 2 (00:13:48) - Yeah, that is troubling and really concerning as far as those LPs, those limited partners, those investors in someone else's syndication, hopefully that syndicator, that operator is communicating with their investors. Speaker 2 (00:14:03) - But for investors, is there anything they can do to identify cracks in the arm or where they might be losing their deal, where they might be losing their money, where they might be throwing good money after bad if a capital call is requested? Speaker 1 (00:14:18) - I think it's a very difficult thing to do for a limited partner because you have, you know, you have more, you have much more exposure to the deal than you would when you invest in the stock market, where you know, there's almost no exposure unless it's a public company. Um, but and these are all private syndications. But I think that a lot of investors simply don't know how to read the, the budgets versus actuals. They don't necessarily know how to read the Performa. So it's it's challenging. So if you're somebody that is. Comfortable doing that. I suggest you dive in and basically ask a lot of the questions of the syndicators. I have one such property, so, you know, I was lucky in that during that time a lot of my colleagues had I have people who I know colleagues that bought 10 to 12 properties during that time frame. Speaker 1 (00:15:02) - It was very normal. I bought one and a half. So one of those properties was my own property, exited one of my partners. So I call it a half a property because it was already mine. Um, and then I bought purchased one other property in a military metro. So I was able to get it for a lower price because it was a military metro. And usually the prices are lower for, for for military towns and, and that property, you know, I'm having the same challenges that I've described. So, you know, the the rate cap issues and the fact that basically prices have gone down by 25%. And I'm dealing with it by constantly communicating with my investors, giving them, you know, options. You know, here's, you know, how when, when we were when we were all selling these these shares to investors, we gave them a, um, a sensitivity analysis showing them, you know, worst case scenario, best case scenario, you know, in a middle case scenario. Speaker 1 (00:15:55) - And so now we're basically doing a sensitivity analysis based on what we are seeing in the marketplace today. And and giving them feedback on what our options are and think a lot of it comes down from the the general partners communicating with the limited partners. And if the your general partner is not very communicative, is not giving you information, ask for one on one meetings, ask for you know, more information in their webinar or in their updates. I think this is a time for limited partners to be vocal. Speaker 2 (00:16:25) - You've learned about the problem in the larger apartment space. You've learned about how operators and apartment syndicators are dealing with the problem. And then, Neil, where do you think that we're going next and think maybe we should ask and look at it through the lens of where do you think we're going next with the availability of multifamily loans, could this help the source of capital dry up? Speaker 1 (00:16:50) - And so I think the answer is we are going to a very dark place with availability of commercial real, you know, loans. Speaker 1 (00:16:57) - Multifamily is in a privileged asset class. So, you know, the the term commercial real estate is sometimes meant to include multifamily, sometimes not. So I'll assume that multifamily is part of commercial real estate, but there are many other asset classes. So there's office which is the next biggest asset class. There's retail hotels, there's self-storage, you know, and and a few others like mixed use. And of those commercial real estate asset class, there's only one that's privileged and that's multifamily because there are not one, not two, but three lenders who are government or quasi government organizations whose only job it is to keep lending in the multifamily space liquid, and also the single family space liquid. And they are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and hard. Right. So Housing and Development Authority. So these three lenders right now are extremely, extremely active. And what has happened is that in in good times, call it 20 early 2022. You had life companies. You had all these private, you know, bridge capital, you had all kinds of capital that was lending to the multifamily space. Speaker 1 (00:18:03) - Now some of that capital has backed off. There's still a huge percentage, I'd say probably 40, 50% of all loans that are being done today are these kinds of private, you know, groups. But think the government or quasi government groups are much more active today and their lending. So I don't think multifamily lending dries up at all. I don't think that that's the case. I think it dries up for the non privileged asset classes, hotel, retail, self-storage, office. These are the classes that are likely to see, you know, near lending dry up especially because on a fundamentals basis there's absolutely nothing wrong with multifamily. In fact as I mentioned I think we're a lot better off than 2019 to 2023 given that home prices have gone up 40%, incomes are only gone up 15%. So there's a very large number of Americans that simply cannot qualify for a single family home anymore. And so those people have to go to apartments. So the the fundamentals are really good for apartments. That is not true of office. Speaker 1 (00:19:02) - So office is an asset class that is experiencing the worst fundamentals it has seen in its entire history. And so I do think that there's going to be very severe lending challenges in the commercial real estate space. But I haven't really seen that multifamily, and I don't anticipate seeing it in the future as well. Speaker 2 (00:19:20) - Well, I don't know if any of that could have as much fun as last time. There were rather gloomy subjects to discuss here with Neal and come back. Can this problem in the multifamily space create contagion for the 1 to 4 unit space? And like with what Neil touched on, what about other commercial sectors like office and retail? How troubled are they when we come back? This is get recession. I'm your host, Keith Weinhold. Speaker 2 (00:20:14) - Welcome back to Get Rich Education. We're talking with the mad scientist of multifamily, a big brained visionary. He's also an excellent teacher. I'm sure you can tell as you're listening to him here. And if you're listening in the audio only Bawa is spelled b a w a new. Here on this show, we talk an awful lot about investing in the 1 to 4 unit space and the advantage of the 30 year fixed that long term fixed interest rate debt. Do you see any areas for contagion with problems in the multifamily five plus unit space bleeding over into the 1 to 4 unit space? Speaker 1 (00:20:56) - Yes, but to a limited level, I think that the the 1 to 4 unit space is the healthiest that I've seen in a very long time. Speaker 1 (00:21:05) - And there's reasons for that. One of the biggest reasons is multifamily, which is the most well sought after asset class for institutional investors who don't typically don't usually like the 1 to 4 unit space. There's a few companies in that space, let's call them half a dozen, but there's several thousand companies that invest in the multifamily space. Some of them are right now looking at single family as a, you know, as a, you know, safe haven to park some of their money. Right? So there's, you know, more institutional level interest in the single family space because of its access to those, you know, those those 30 year fixed loans. So there's and the fact that single family prices basically haven't declined. So I think that there's there's a lot of interest in the single family space. Um, keep in mind that millennials are reaching their peak years of household formation. So they started in 2019. So until 2025. So from 19 to 2025, those are the peak years of household formation for millennials. Speaker 1 (00:22:01) - And that's also putting a cushion under the single family space there. Contagion is some form of contagion is inevitable. I think that the office market is going to see spectacular levels of contagion, similar to 2008. I think that the other associated markets, like hotel and retail, are going to see some level of contagion, though I certainly don't expect it to be as bad as office. And then multifamily is going to see some contagion, as we mentioned, because of these 2 or 3000 properties that have to be basically sold into the marketplace and prices are down, which always creates contagion. Why? Because think about it. You're a mid-level bank. So a mid-level bank in the US is $250 billion or less in assets. Well, a lot of these assets are these banks are the ones that loaned out money to multifamily and retail and hotel and in office, and now are being forced by the Federal Reserve through a process known as mark to market. They're being forced to write down the value of these assets because these assets, you know, there's still you know, there's still active loans, but maybe they they loan $20 million. Speaker 1 (00:23:00) - And now basically they're $20 million is only worth 18 or 16 or 15. And so now the fed is saying, hey, you know, you got to mark these assets down in value. And as they mark them down to value, that can lead to the banks becoming or mid-sized banks becoming less stable. I don't think this affects any of the large banks in the US, but the midsize ones are affected. And some of those mid-sized banks do lend to the single family space, but not a lot. I find that the single family space, when I look at their source of lending, not a lot of those mid-sized banks are involved. There's a little bit they do some brokerage work, but then they're selling those loans back to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and a bunch of other, you know, governmental type organizations. So I don't see a sense of contagion in the single family space. I do see potentials of some price declines because until about two months ago, mortgages were predominantly in the sixes. They, you know, they spiked up once to the sevens and then they pulled back into the sixes. Speaker 1 (00:23:56) - Now they've gone into the sevens and they may stay in the sevens for a substantial amount of time. When that happens, that can affect the single family market as well, simply because, you know, you can get to the point where supply is higher than, than demand. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's a pullback in single family prices. Let's call it 5%. But I'm not predicting the kind of challenges where the office market think we could see 40% declines in prices from peak, whereas single family you might see 5%. I think that's still an incredible outcome for the single family market compared, you know, just looking at the outrageous increases in prices since Covid don't I don't think that's a even a pullback. I would just say that's a balancing out. Speaker 2 (00:24:44) - Who know the residential housing market. Really, it's something that's non-discretionary on a human need basis. Everyone needs to live somewhere and they will either own rent or be homeless. And you talked about some of those affordability challenges before. The lower the homeownership rate gets, the more renters you have. Speaker 2 (00:25:05) - So long term, we will have some demand baseline for both multifamily and properties in the 1 to 4 unit space, of course, but the same thing cannot be said about some of these other commercial sectors, especially the troubled office sector space, where you have more and more abandoned buildings downtown. And a lot of these office buildings cannot be easily converted from offices to residential units. So why don't you talk to us about some of those other troubled commercial sectors, starting with office. Speaker 1 (00:25:35) - Office is in a apocalypse. I think that this is far, far worse than 2008 and far, far worse than than 2001, because 2008 and 2001, they were liquidity crisis. They were short term, you know, demand crisis. This is a long term demand crisis because, you know, I read very important documents from companies that are in the key swiping business. You know, when you enter an office in a downtown core, you're swiping your card. And so those companies actually have phenomenal day by day data of how many people are actually going into offices today. Speaker 1 (00:26:11) - It's been more than a year since companies started calling back, you know, people to the office and think that by now every company, whether you know, they're they're forcing five days back to the office or four days or three days or two days, everyone's sort of, you know, put their line in the sand. And we're at the point where, you know, this, this is what offices look like going forward. And if I'm right and this is what it looks like going forward, it is simply catastrophic for the office market in the United States, because we're still seeing key swipes at 50 to 60% of the people that used to swipe in before Covid. And that number is staggeringly, staggeringly low. And if this is what it settles at, you know, some companies are two days, some three, some four. I think we're in for a world of pain for the office market. You also, you know, there's a lot of people that in these podcasts basically will often say something like, no, the office stuff will get converted into residential. Speaker 1 (00:27:06) - And I have news for you, only 3% of office buildings in office in downtown course have the floor plate, the floor plate necessary for residential conversion. Why? Because residential conversion by law requires that every every single room have a window. So what is happening is most of the time you basically can only convert the buildings on the edge, the, the square footage on the edge of a building, but that's central core but then becomes worthless. And if you don't have a use for it, then you still have to buy that office building to convert and you have to buy it at a reasonable price. The math doesn't work. I mean, you'd you'd need to see office values down 80% for, for, you know, a somebody who's converting to multifamily to say, fine, I'll just leave the 60% in the middle empty and I'll just convert the size. So 80% declines in value are needed for that kind of conversion to happen. So we are about to see a ten year problem in the office sector. Speaker 1 (00:28:03) - And it's also dragging down all of the other assets in the downtown core. So we are seeing we just saw a $727 million default on two hotels in San Francisco. We saw a $558 million mall default. Also in San Francisco, we're seeing defaults across the board in New York, Boston, Seattle, San Diego, Miami, sort of heavy markets where this these challenges are happening. We're seeing a lot of these and it's happening in a very, very slow way. Keith. And the reason for that is the office market, their average lease is, you know, five years long. Some leases are ten years long, and a lot of these companies haven't gone out of business. So if the company is in the lease, they're continuing to pay even though the office is empty. But the moment that lease comes up for renewal, either the company doesn't renew it or they renew maybe half the space. Right. And so we we already know that this is an incredible debacle, but it doesn't seem like it at any given point of time because it's happening in a very slow motion way. Speaker 2 (00:29:02) - Well, that's such a good point about how there will be this slow drain, this slow leak when these office leases expire over time. What about other areas of the commercial space, any other particularly troubled areas or bright spots that you see going forward? Speaker 1 (00:29:21) - Ironically bright spots. And this is where I've been proven wrong in the past. You know, I've often maybe 4 or 5 years ago talked about the retail apocalypse, right, where Amazon would basically, you know, lead the retail market to become illiquid. Well, none of those things have happened because of two reasons. One is the retail apocalypse with people like me, you know, being on on 200 podcasts, talking about it, a lot of development of retail that was scheduled to happen simply didn't happen. So the very. Speaker 2 (00:29:48) - Late podcast, people lost confidence. No. They were invested in retail. Speaker 1 (00:29:52) - Exactly right. So so, you know, I fulfilled that prophecy. Think. But bottom line is that there's there's been very responsible levels of new construction in retail. Speaker 1 (00:30:02) - So, you know, they haven't built a lot. Very few models have been built in the United States in the last few years. And even some of the malls that have been repurposed, some of their square footage is being used up for, for multifamily. And so that was one. The second reason is that retail is being very careful with pricing. So, you know, over, over the last 5 or 6 years, the retail market has adjusted to new forms of pricing, where, you know, you go into a mall and you see a gym where before the pricing of that mall never really allowed for a gym to be in a mall. It just gyms, you know, they want, you know, a lower price per square foot. And so malls have adjusted, strip malls have adjusted. And so today we have a surprising event where retail occupancy in the United States is higher than multifamily. This is the first time ever that multifamily is about a little under 95%. Now it's 94% occupied. Speaker 1 (00:30:52) - Retail is 96 or 97% occupied, which never happens, right? Normal. Normally retail is right around 90%, 88%, something like that. But the high level of occupancy shows that that retail is doing well. Now, having said that. So so on the occupancy side, they're doing really well. There's there's really no pullback in terms of demand. But on the other side, because of the fact that interest rates are so high, retail cap rates are very high, which means prices are low. So prices are very reasonable there for retail. And so I think that real opportunity that I'm seeing I wouldn't invest in office at this point, Keith, because you don't know the end of this process. You don't know how long it takes. I think it takes a decade. So I might get 50% off in office and I don't want it. I just don't want to touch that asset class. It's tainted. Now, if I get 40% off in retail, I think I'm interested because fundamentally I don't see a demand issue if this is the highest occupancy that retail has seen ever. Speaker 1 (00:31:53) - And at the same time, I'm getting a 40 or 50% discount simply because of lack of lending. Well, that is to me a classic opportunity to look at because once again, fundamentally, nothing is wrong with demand. And I realize that the Amazon effect is extremely real. But what I'm seeing is that that people want that experience of shopping. And so even amongst the young people, sure, each year Amazon, you know, goes up a little bit. But now Amazon's growth is no longer a hockey puck. Amazon's growth is sort of like this. You know they're growing by 10%, 15% a year, which is still great for Amazon. But I think when you when you project that across a 300 million person market that the US is retail no longer has to fear for an apocalypse. So this is actually a pretty good time to take advantage of the 40% discounts that I think will happen in 2024 for retail. Same thing. Everything I just said also applies to hotels. Hotels came out of the pandemic very strong, with huge increases in ADR or average daily rates and huge, huge increases in occupancy. Speaker 1 (00:32:55) - So hotels right now are a very robust cash flowing business. If you've got good hotels and good locations, you're making a lot of money. They're cash flowing like crazy because their orders have gone up and their occupancy has gone up. So they've taken two positive hits. But once again, I expect there to be discounts simply because of a lack of funding, a lack of loans. And you can you might we might easily see 30%, maybe not 40, but 30% discounts in hotels in the next 12 months. So think both of those are really good opportunities, along with multifamily discounts at 25%. So this is an opportunity. This is a case of distress creating unusual levels of opportunity. I don't think we're quite there yet, Keith. We're beginning to see some distress in multifamily. We're certainly seeing distress in office. We haven't heard anything about the distress in retail or hotels yet. That's because a lot of their their loans don't don't trigger until 2024. Right. So that's we'll see what happens next year when these loans start to trigger and you can't really refinance them. Speaker 2 (00:33:57) - I completely believe that inflation has thoroughly soaked in to hotels. You talk about their ADR, their average daily rate. I've recently stayed at hotels in Denver, Omaha, Chicago, Toledo and Boston, so I've gotten a pretty good sample size and sure feel the hit there. And interestingly, the last time I shopped at a mall, it was the biggest mall in this city, and I noticed a bowling alley that I had not noticed there before. And I went bowling and noticed an ice skating rink was there. So I just wonder how much retail can reinvent itself if it tilts enough into the experiential part, rather than just buying items off a shelf at a store, maybe that can help sustain that retail sector, to your point. Well, Neil, maybe we should wrap up really on what supports an awful lot of values in multifamily, and that is rents and the direction of rents, especially if we have almost hate to say this. R-word, a different R-word, a recession, because it seems like this thing has been around the corner forever. Speaker 2 (00:35:03) - I know historically that rents are quite resilient in a recession, something that you touched on earlier back even during the 2008 global financial crisis, when I was a landlord, I owned fourplex buildings. Then I noticed that I had a pretty good steady stream of renters. My rents didn't really go up much, but they were really resilient. They didn't go down, and that's because people couldn't get a loan. So that was an affordability problem. Then we have another affordability problem now. But if we do tilt into recession, what do you think that is going to do to rents? Speaker 1 (00:35:33) - I think we are going to see a decline in rents if a recession happens. Now, that's a question. By the way, six months ago, if you told me, you know, a recession wasn't going to happen, I'd say, no, that's not possible. We are going to go into a recession. However, I must admit that the US economy has truly, truly, truly outperformed beyond anyone else, beyond anyone's imagination. Speaker 1 (00:35:54) - So today, the chances of a recession are certainly not 100%. Might be 50%. But let's assume that it happens and a recession happens. I think what is very, very likely is that this recession will be very short. So once again, if you're not paying attention to to to what's happening in the marketplace, this is a time that, you know, I was born in India and this is my adopted country. I feel very proud of the US economy today. If I compare the US economy to the Canadian, the eurozone, the Germans, the Japanese, we are outperforming every one of those economies. We're at the point where we're outperforming China, which almost never happens, by the way. And so we have an extraordinarily resilient and strong economy at this point. So if it falls into a recession just because the fed keeps hitting it over the head with this interest rate hammer, I think that recession will be fairly short, because as soon as the economy does go into a recession, the fed usually figures that out within a few months. Speaker 1 (00:36:47) - Then they can stop hitting us with a hammer. I'm not saying that they'll just cut interest rates back to zero, but they certainly will provide some cushion. Maybe they cut rates by one one time, two times, just to make the market breathe a little bit easier. Because this is an artificial recession, there is no shortage of demand in the US economy. There's an incredible number of open jobs. There were as many as 11 million jobs now. Now there's about 9 million open. So there's there's a and wage growth has been so strong. Right. Because we have so many people retiring that at this point, for the first time since the early 60s, I believe, or late 60s, we actually have pricing power. So anyone who wants to be employed can ask for more money and get it. And so wage growth has been about four, 4.5%, which is really good for rents, by the way. It's phenomenal news because we needed wage growth for future rent growth. So we have a artificial recession if it does happen. Speaker 1 (00:37:38) - And that artificial recession is being caused by the fed because they want that wage growth to come closer to 2% from the 4% that it's at, because everything else has come down. Right. So commodities have come down with the exception of oil, and so has, you know, so have the supply chain issues are gone, rents are down. So in the US the last 12 months, rents were flat and in some markets they might be down 1% or 2%. Austin I think was the only market that was down a lot. But most other markets were down very, very small amounts. So rents have been flat, which is, I think, really credible because if you look at rents over the last two years, they're up 16%. So in 2022 they were up 16%. In 2023 they were up basically zero. So if you average that out now you're looking at 8% rent growth, which is phenomenal compared to the long term average of 2.5%. So we've been outperforming on rent and we needed to take a breather in the last 12 months have been that breather. Speaker 1 (00:38:32) - Now, if the recession happens, I do expect rents to go down, but not normally they don't. So in a in a in a six month, three month or six month average recession, you know, the average US recession is two quarters. So six months normally you don't get rent drops. You might get, you know, the rents plateau out. Or maybe their rent growth drops from 3% to 1%. That's that's much more common this time. We might see rent growth in a short recession drop by maybe 1% or 2%. And the biggest reason for that is supply. The largest supply of apartments in the history of the country is delivering, starting basically the beginning of 2023 until the end of 2024. So these two years, 2023 and 2024 are massive apartment supply years. And obviously, as you supply 500,000 apartments into an economy that overall is not outperforming, is is doing okay, but and it starts to go into a recession, then you're going to see some concessions. And that concession drives down the price of multifamily, which then drives down the price of single family rentals. Speaker 1 (00:39:36) - So we could see a decline in rents. I'd say probably 1% to 2% is is possible, but that decline is likely to be short. So I think let's assume that the recession starts in the final quarter of 2023, which might not happen. I think it's more of a Q1 and Q2 of next year. If the recession does happen, those are the two most likely quarters. As soon as the economy rebounds and becomes positive, we should see very strong and stable rent growth. Well, I would say stable rent growth for the rest of 2024 by 2025, a lot of that incoming supply is done. So now supply supply and demand are in balance. So in 2025 I expect strong rent growth as much as 4 or 5%. And in 2026 I expect very, very strong rent growth. We might we might see 6% rent growth in 2026. So 2024 is that year where rent growth is a little bit shaky because of this. Word, the recession word. And, you know, whether it happens or not is we don't know. Speaker 1 (00:40:37) - And when it happens, we don't know how long it lasts. But I think because it's an artificially induced recession, it's likely to be the vanilla US six month recession, which basically drives wages closer to that 2% target for the fed, and gives the fed the room to start easing up on interest rates. Speaker 2 (00:40:56) - Recessions are not good. Perhaps the one positive about a recession is that then we can all stop talking about and speculating upon when does eventually happen, because on average, it does happen every five years. It's just a normal part of the business cycle. Well, Neal, this has been very informative around the multifamily world and beyond, including projections for the future. You've always got such great insight in stats on the pulse of the market. If someone wants to learn more about you and your resources, what's the best way for them to do that? Speaker 1 (00:41:31) - Come join us at multifamily. That's multifamily, followed by the letter EW.com we get about 20,000 registrations in our webinars. We do about a dozen webinars each year. Speaker 1 (00:41:41) - We do them on single family multifamily. We do them on other asset classes like office. We just did one on on on the office apocalypse and people like that because there's no education fee, there's no subscription, there's no upsell. People come join us. They learn a lot. And occasionally during one of these webinars, if you have a multifamily project that we are doing, we mention it for about 30s. And if that sounds like it's interesting, you can, you know, jump in and you know and participate. But otherwise, you know, there's a lot of tens of thousands of people that have never participated with us in any of our projects that come and join us at this ecosystem of learning called multifamily EW.com. Speaker 2 (00:42:22) - Neal Bawa, Gro Capital and multifamily EW.com. It's been informative, just like it was the last time you were here. It's been great having you back on the show. Speaker 1 (00:42:32) - Thanks for having me on, Keith.
Today, we had the privilege of hosting Neal Bawa, a true technologist and luminary in the world of real estate, often hailed as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Neal is not only a sought-after speaker in the commercial real estate domain but also a master of data analysis, process optimization, and outsourcing. Neal is the CEO and Founder of Grocapitus, a distinguished commercial real estate investment company that thrives on data-driven strategies. Looking ahead, Grocapitus is poised to add another 1,500 units to their portfolio within the next 12 months. Neal's expertise and visionary approach to real estate investment truly exemplify the secrets to success in wealth strategy. Through concrete examples and case studies, Neal showcased how this analytical approach has been a cornerstone of his success in managing a massive $1 billion-dollar portfolio and driving returns for investors. In this episode, Neal shared that leveraging data and analytics isn't just a strategy, but a mindset that guides decision-making in the real estate industry. By meticulously measuring and analyzing data, investors can optimize operations, enhance efficiency, and drive profitability within their portfolios. In this episode, we discuss: The success behind 2023 Location Magic - Best Cities for Real Estate Investing What Mission 10K is all about His current economic outlook, inflation and deflation Perspectives in investing in the energy sector and the years ahead for sustainable energy Connect with Neal Bawa: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/navraj.bawa Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MagicOfMultifamily Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Website: https://grocapitus.com/ Email: info@grocapitus.com Multifamily University: https://multifamilyu.com/?fbclid=IwAR2KBR2nsAov8brxnUJVl2jRE2qY7EgZi_p4reahHHns-L2TwlF6lkD-ahQ Connect with Pantheon Investments: Join the Pantheon Investor Club: https://pantheoninvest.com/investor-signup/ Website: www.pantheoninvest.com Podcast: www.pantheoninvest.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PantheonInvest Instagram: www.instagram.com/pantheoninvest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pantheon-invest Twitter: https://twitter.com/Pantheon_Invest Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8EsPFlwQUpMXgRMvrmbAfQ Holistic Wealth Strategy Book: https://www.amazon.com/Holistic-Wealth-Strategy-Framework-Extraordinary-ebook/dp/B0BX4SDMS7/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=holistic+wealth+strategy&qid=1681472301&sprefix=holistic+wealth%2Caps%2C99&sr=8-1 Email: info@pantheoninvest.com Get your FREE copy of the book here: https://holisticwealthstrategy.com/
Neal Bawa is President/ CEO at Grocapitus, a commercial real estate investment company that specializes in multifamily investments. Neal has extensive background in technology as a data scientist which he's applied to his real estate endeavors. Leveraging this experience has allowed Neal to identify high-growth markets and build a portfolio worth in excess of $1 billion. Quote: “So when you get to the point where you're convinced that you're receiving a significant discount, buy, don't buy in an aggressive way, but keep buying and buy as you go down the curve and then buy as you come back up the curve.” Highlights: 4:00: What your business looks like today in comparison to what it looked like two years ago 14:00: What does the landscape look like over the next ten years for office space? 21:20: Dollar cost averaging - how to buy on a “smile/U-curve” 30:31: What you're doing with the build to rent sector 38:10: Land banking due to lower land rates Guest Website: www.grocapitus.com Recommended Resources: Accredited Investors, you're invited to Join the Cashflow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! If you're a high net worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, go to InvestWithKB.com for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team. Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com. Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Learn more about Kevin's investment company and opportunities for Lifetime Cashflow at sunrisecapitalinvestors.com.
"No asset class, not even multifamily is so incredible that it can be good at all times in all markets." -Neal Bawa Today I am interviewing Neal Bawa. He is the CEO and Founder of GroCapitus and UGro, which are real estate investment companies that focus on building, sourcing or obtaining commercial real estate properties. He has taught more than 10, 000 investors with his free data analytics course and is highly sought after to speak at real estate conferences around the country. He is called the mad scientist of multifamily investing and believes "data beats gut feel by a million miles." Neal Bawa: Got started in real estate very differently than most people. He was running technology companies and used that money to build custom campuses. Not having any prior experience in this process, he however was able to very successfully build a 27,000 square foot campus which became extremely successful landing him more opportunities to build over the years. He began buying single family properties in 2008 and eventually pivoted into multifamily investing full time. TOPICS COVERED IN THE EPISODE How data serves us better than gut feeling What Neal Does as a data technologist How Neal was introduced to the world of real estate What does Gro Capitus do Engaged as a buyer, not as a seller Being 12 months ahead of everyone else What is land banking Is it the time to buy multifamily assets Follow the data not the current trends How to fight against biases What happened to the Phoenix market Don't ignore the cycle The rationale of investors Why has retail and office fallen so dramatically Will the office market continue to decline Is office conversions a possibility Investor vs a speculator What is the relationship between interest rates and cap rates How does land banking work When is the next bottom The current state of inflation What is quantitative easing Listen now and find out how Neal found his Real Estate Breakthrough! The Real Estate Breakthrough Show with Christina Suter is where we talk about the reality of real estate, the mindset you need and the tips and tricks to get you moving forward in investing. Join us every other week and learn everything you need to know to invest in real estate on Youtube, iTunes, Spotify, and more. You can watch Neal's interview on Youtube here. Find out more about Neal here: Website www.GroCapitus.com
Join us for an enlightening episode as I sit down with Neal Bawa, the CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus, two trailblazing commercial real estate investment companies. With a current portfolio spanning over 4,800 units and an AUM value exceeding $1 billion, Neal is a visionary who harnesses cutting-edge real estate analytics to acquire and develop large commercial properties across the U.S.In this episode, Neal shares his unparalleled expertise in real estate data methodologies, appealing to data-driven investors who believe, as he does, that data outperforms gut feeling by a wide margin. Over 10,000 investors have benefited from Neal's free Real Estate Data Analytics course, which boasts over 1,000 five-star reviews on Udemy.com.Neal's influence extends across the nation and the digital realm, with his speaking engagements at numerous real estate conferences and webinars attracting thousands of eager investors. Join us to explore Neal's vision of the convergence of traditional commercial real estate with Proptech and Fintech disruptors, creating a highly liquid asset class that could potentially surpass the stock market in size and scope. Don't miss this insightful discussion on bank crises, opportunities, and the future of real estate investing.To learn more about Neal, visit https://www.multifamilyu.com/Follow us on social media@redseacapitalgroup'Give us a rating on Apple Podcasts here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-trial-to-triumph/id1640592078Visit our website: www.redseacapitalgroup.com
Neal Bawa is a Returning Guest. Neal is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge Real Estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for over 800 investors. The current portfolio of over 4800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion In this episode, we talked about: Neal's Updates 2022-2023 Real Estate Market Overview Mortgage rates Debt Structure Single Family vs Multi-Family Markets Inflation Rates Useful links: Past episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/strategic-multifamily-real-estate-investing-with-neal/id1505750263?i=1000580909466 Webinars: https://multifamilyu.com/
In 2020, we were afraid to go anywhere. 2021 turned into the greatest year for real estate of all time. In 2022, we watched interest rates spiral out of control and dramatically shift the market, and we're now living in the wake of these major shifts, both positive and negative. So, what can we expect moving forward? To help answer that question, I'm talking to Neal Bawa. Neal is the founder of UGro and Grocapitus and known as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily with a $1B real estate portfolio and over 900 investors. Based in the Bay Area, he uses cutting edge analytics and tech tools to give himself–and his students–a powerful edge in the world of multifamily investing. In today's conversation, Neal and I talk about why we're all better off buying properties now than we were 18 months ago, why this may be our best opportunity to buy since 2009, and what the future holds for our industry. Key Takeaways with Neal Bawa Why Neal is still extremely bullish about multifamily. How to frame today's market as a winning opportunity for your prospective investors and limited partners. Why syndicators should be worried about overpaying–and why now's a great time to invest in investor education. What to expect in 2024, why so many syndicators are going to be out of business a year from now, and how to do your best to not become one of them. Want the Full Show Notes? To get access to the full show notes, including audio, transcripts, and links to all the resources mentioned, visit https://acceleratedinvestorpodcast.com/382 Rate & Review If you enjoyed today's episode of The Accelerated Real Estate Investor Podcast, hit the subscribe button on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube so future episodes are automatically downloaded directly to your device. You can also help by providing an honest rating & review over on Apple Podcasts. Reviews go a long way in helping us build awareness so that we can impact even more people. THANK YOU! Connect with Josh Cantwell Facebook YouTube Instagram LinkedIn Twitter Sign up for the Forever Passive Income Partnering, Mastermind and Coaching Program with Josh Cantwell To unlock your potential and start earning real passive income, visit joshcantwellcoaching.com
Neal Bawa is a technologist who is universally known in the real estate circles as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Besides being one of the most in-demand speakers in commercial real estate, Neal is a data guru, a process freak, and an outsourcing expert. Neal treats his $250+ million-dollar multifamily portfolio as an ongoing experiment in efficiency and optimization. The Mad Scientist lives by two mantras. His first mantra is that We can only manage what we can measure. His second mantra is that Data beats gut feel by a million miles. These mantras and a dozen other disruptive beliefs drive profit for his 300+ investors. Neal serves CEO / Founder at Grocapitus, an iconic, data-driven commercial real estate investment company. Grocapitus' 28 person team acquires and builds multifamily & commercial properties across the U.S. With more than 300 active investors and over 2,000 reviewing our projects, the Grocapitus portfolio currently spans across 7 states with 12 projects and 2,000+ units/beds. The powerful Grocapitus brand has a cult-like following of data-driven investors. The result - Completed equity raises of $50 million+ for Multifamily, Mixed-Use, and Self-Storage Acquisitions in the last 18 months, over 2,000 units purchased. Grocapitus is on track to close another 1,500 units in the next 12 months. If you like what you hear be sure to like, share, subscribe! Podcast- Mindful Multi-Family show Instagram- Chris_Salerno_ Youtube Channel- Chris Salerno Facebook- The Mindful Multifamily Network Website- www.qccapitalgroup.com
Neal Bawa discusses the state of the real estate economy and has some aggressive predictions about the future.
My guest in this episode is Neal Bawa. Neal is the Founder and CEO of Grocapitus, a commercial real estate investment company that specializes in acquiring apartment complexes across the US for over 300 investors. He is the CEO and Founder of MultiFamilyU, a multifamily education business that teaches Multifamily acquisition and management techniques to thousands of students annually. Grocapitus has a portfolio of over $1 billion, including Multifamily, Student Housing, and Hospitality. The Grocapitus team is running both new construction projects and value add projects. Over 4,000 real estate investors attend Neal's training webinars, seminars, and boot camps each year. Interview Links: Grocapitus Investments Resources: The 21 Best Cashflow Niches™: www.cashflowninja.com/21niches Subscribe To The Best Cashflow Niches™ Newsletter: www.cashflowninja.com/bestniches Join My Inner Circle & Mastermind Cashflow Nirvana www.cashflowninja.com/nirvana Connect With Us: Website: http://cashflowninja.com Podcast: http://resetinvestingsecrets.com Podcast: http://cashflowinvestingsecrets.com Substack: https://mclaubscher.substack.com/ Amazon Audible: https://a.co/d/1xfM1Vx Amazon Audible: https://a.co/d/aGzudX0 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cashflowninja/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mclaubscher Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecashflowninja/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mclaubscher/ Gab: https://gab.com/cashflowninja Gettr: https://gettr.com/user/mclaubscher Minds: https://www.minds.com/cashflowninja Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/Cashflowninja Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/cashflowninja/ Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-329875 Odysee: https://odysee.com/@Cashflowninja:9 Gab Tv: https://tv.gab.com/channel/cashflowninja Brighteon: https://www.brighteon.com/channels/cashflowninja
Today Jason welcomes the ‘mad scientist of multifamily' Neal Bawa of Grocapitus investments. They talk about how demography affects real estate, where the housing market is and where it might be headed and the factors affecting your investments. Neal is a technologist who is universally known in the real estate circles as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Besides being one of the most in-demand speakers in commercial real estate, Neal is a data guru, a process freak, and an outsourcing expert. Neal treats his $1+ billion-dollar multifamily portfolio as an ongoing experiment in efficiency and optimization. The Mad Scientist lives by two mantras. His first mantra is that: We can only manage what we can measure. His second mantra is that: Data beats gut feel by a million miles. These mantras and a dozen other disruptive beliefs drive profit for his 800+ investors. Watch the videos HERE and HERE. Mentioned: David Graeber, Debt: The First 5,000 Years Ivy Zelman Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class: Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate deals for investment or build a great business – Free Course: https://www.jasonhartman.com/deals Special Offer from Ron LeGrand: https://JasonHartman.com/Ron Free Mini-Book on Pandemic Investing: https://www.PandemicInvesting.com
On this episode of Passive Income Pilots, Tait & Ryan interview Neal Bawa.Neal is the CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus, two prominent commercial real estate investment companies. Leveraging cutting-edge real estate analytics technology, Neal's companies specialize in sourcing, acquiring, and building large commercial properties across the United States for a network of over 900 investors. With a current portfolio exceeding 4,800 units, Neal's companies boast an Assets Under Management (AUM) value of over $1 billion upon completion. Known for his expertise in real estate data analytics, Neal has developed a strong following among data-driven investors, with over 10,000 participants completing his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com, which has garnered over 1,000 five-star reviews.Neal tackles the state of the economy and its impact on the real estate industry, specifically on the multifamily sector. He discusses the distress in the multifamily syndication market and the effect on the overall multifamily market status. Neil shares how to navigate the current situation and talks about public facilities corporations, tax-exempt entities, legislation on property taxes, and identifying reliable syndicators for future investments. He also touches on the effects of the economy on airline pilots, the benefits of recessions, the role of AI in the economy, the potential for job losses, interest rates, ultra-cheap BTR (built-to-rent) properties, and the influence of zoning laws and federal mandates on manufactured housing, among others.Enjoy the show!Show notes:[0:00] Intro[3:00] State of the economy and the real estate industry[5:13] Why is multifamily in trouble?[9:59] The multifamily syndication market is in distress[11:58] It is a two-faced market[16:40] What were the indicators that made Neal slow down[18:25] How to move forward from this situation?[23:08] Public facilities corporations, tax-exempt entities[25:38] Legislation in Texas about property taxes[26:29] Identifying syndicators to invest with in the upcoming market[29:54] What made 2022 a challenging year[31:48] What does the current economy mean for an airline pilot?[36:11] Why recessions are a good thing for the economy[37:28] AI's effect on the economy[40:03] What's exciting about AI?[46:50] Possibility of job losses[50:27] Why are interest rates going dowLegal DisclaimerThe content of this podcast is provided solely for educational and informational purposes. The views and opinions expressed are those of the hosts, Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson, and do not reflect those of any organization they are associated with, including Turbine Capital or Spartan Investment Group.The opinions of our guests are their own and should not be construed as financial advice. This podcast does not offer tax, legal, or investment advice. Listeners are advised to consult with their own legal or financial counsel and to conduct their own due diligence before making any financial decisions.The hosts, Tait Duryea and Ryan Gibson, do not necessarily endorse the views of the guests featured on the podcast, nor have the guests been comprehensively vetted by the hosts.Under no circumstances should any material presented in this podcast be used or considered as an offer to sell, or a solicitation of any offer to buy, an interest in any investment. Any potential offer or solicitation will be made exclusively through a Confidential Private Offering Memorandum related to the specific investment. Access to detailed information about the investments discussed is restricted to individuals who qualify as accredited investors under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended.Listeners are responsible for their own investment decisions and are encouraged to seek professional advice before investing....
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In today's podcast episode we interview Neil Bawa, CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus. Neil's companies use state of the art data analytics and science to make sound investment decisions for their real estate investors. Today's topics are focused on the power of data science in real estate, discussing powerful value investing strategies that limited partners can use and implement in the current declining real estate markets.Visit us here at: https://www.thelimitedpartner.com/ If you'd like to say hello, you can find Jake at @JJakeWiley on Instagram and Twitter, and on LinkedIn. You will hear quite a bit of real estate terminology in every episode. We've aggregated the most common questions for you in the link below! https://bit.ly/learn-the-lingo
In this episode, we talk with Anna MyersAnna is a third-generation commercial real estate entrepreneur who applies her 25+ years of experience in technology and business to finding, analyzing, acquiring and asset managing commercial properties in key markets across the U.S. As a tech geek and systems architect, Anna is known as the ”Chief Plate Spinner” at Grocapitus. She collaborates with her business partner, Neal Bawa, to implement systems and processes that strive for efficiency and scalability both within the company as well as throughout their portfolio. Anna and Neal have successfully completed equity raises totaling over $270 million for both the development and acquisitions of Multifamily, Mixed-Use and Self-Storage and Build to Rent fourplex and townhome communities, resulting in over 4,800 assets under management.Join us for our new episode as we explore ways to help you live the life you deserve! Subscribe to my Youtube channel so you never miss an episode! Visit www.freedominvesting.com to see how we can help you!
Episode 74 - Investing Like A Data-Driven Guru Data Science is everywhere. It is applicable even in the commercial real estate business, as a way to understand and be ahead of the market trends. Think about corporate offices and how much difference there is in utilization pre and post COVID 19; having access to simplified data science gives you the ability to make the right choices in the right time. Join Mo Bina in this episode of the Purpose-Driven Wealth podcast as he talks with Neil Bawa of Ugro and Grocapitus about the strategic perspective of applying data science in commercial real estate investment companies. Also in the discussion are very valuable insights into the current events on interest rates, inflation, and world economy. Here's what you will expect in this episode… How Neal started in Real Estate Applying Data Science in Real Estate and simplifying it for anyone interested. Investing opportunities in smaller cities. Following data science even if it means reinventing your approach regularly Understanding Build to Rent and Quality of Tenants Asset classes growth changes over time The debacle of office buildings On interest rates, inflation and recession Outlook on the US and world economy Why the US is the strongest economy. About Neal Bawa: Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. His companies use cutting edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 800 investors. The current portfolio over 4,800 units, has an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. He shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal Bawa Links: https://multifamilyu.com/ Connect with Mo Bina on… Website: https://www.high-risecapital.com/ Medium: https://mobina.medium.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5ISsEKBHlkX7lk9b68SKLA/featured Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/highrisecapital/ For more information on passive investing in commercial real estate, please check out our free eBook — More Doors, More Profits — by clicking here: https://www.high-risecapital.com/resources-index
I'm thrilled to have Neal Bawa back on the show today. Neal is a data scientist and technologist who always has his finger on the pulse of the economy and the state of commercial real estate investing. Neal is also a top-rated and in-demand presenter at conferences and events across the country, he's a successful investor with over $1 billion dollars in assets under management, and he's the CEO of Grocapitus and Multifamily University. He is known universally as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily, and I always pay attention to what Neal has to say – because he's incredibly well informed, and always entertaining. Today we're going to discuss the recent bank failures and what that means to investors. We'll talk about the upcoming liquidity crunch, and why Elon Musk recently tweeted that the commercial real estate debt market is “by far the most serious looming issue." Neal also explains why investors who bought between 2021 and 2022 are in trouble, and why he's hit the ‘pause' button on his ground-up developments. He'll also share the opportunities he sees in the market and why he's starting his own rescue fund. This is a ‘must-listen' episode for anyone who wants to gain some clarity and insight into a very unstable and uncertain market. Find out more: https://grocapitus.com/ or google “Neal Bawa” Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com
40% of multifamily properties bought in Q 3 and Q 4 2020 and 2021 with variable rate debt will likely not get refinanced by their current lenders. In these scenarios, operators will be forced to attempt to raise more money via capital calls from their current investors and/or take on rescue capital from 3rd parties. The last option is to give properties back to the bank. Over the past couple years, the high price of multifamily properties did not pencil without high leverage bridge debt, but as a result of the precipitous rate increases of the last year, operators are now paying the piper for taking the risk. Neal Bawa, Founder of GroCapitus, saw the writing on the wall and only acquired one property during this time, and sold several. As a result, he did incredibly well by his investors. Neal is currently waiting for the market to correct much further before he'll even consider making another acquisition.
Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 800 investors. Current portfolio over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1,000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach it's potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. Gain valuable insights on future buying opportunities and bridge loan debt risks with multifamily real estate expert Neal Bawa. In this episode, Neal explains what the avatar looks like for operators who may face trouble this year due to bridge loan debt coming due, and where he sees potential opportunities for investors. Don't miss out on this informative discussion! Connect with Neal: Website: www.grocapitus.com Partner with us: www.takeoffcapital.co Follow the show on Instagram: @therealestatetakeoff
In this episode, Toby Mathis, Esq. of Anderson Business Advisors welcomes Neal Bawa back to the show for his third appearance. Neal is the founder and CEO of Grocapitus, a commercial real estate investment company, and CEO of MultifamilyU, an apartment investing education company. Neal walks us through the realities we're facing in the economy right now, discussing the Silicon Valley Bank failure, the Fed and interest rates, the bond and mortgage markets, and when and where to look for real estate bargains in the latter half of 2023. Highlights/Topics: The Fed poisoned the banking system by flooding it with cheap money The bond problems are not the same as 2008 Preventing bank runs that will domino other banks failing Reduction of bank liquidity reduces business activity Price stability and the banking system FDIC and the Fed dumping cash into banks Twitter creates bank runs in hours, not days Western states are down from peak in mid-2022 One full percent cut in interest rates will start real estate price reductions Real estate sectors suffering post covid – offices, hotels Q3 is a good time to buy, with extensions The ‘spread' and when mortgages might drop Big banks will get the deposits when smaller banks fail The next 6 months are a good time for bargains Resources: Grocapitus Website https://www.grocapitus.com/ MultiFamily Website https://multifamilyu.com/ Listen to Neal's July 2020 appearance https://andersonadvisors.com/podcast/real-estate-investing-with-analytics/ Listen to Neal's Oct 2022 “2023 Housing Market Forecast” appearance https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2023-housing-market-forecast-why-real-estate-will-remain/id1446273914?i=1000579549992 Anderson Advisors https://andersonadvisors.com/ Toby Mathis on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX5nh607M8hSBLiMB9MgbIQ
Key Takeaways 80% of all profit being generated in real estate in the last 10 years is simply tied to things that have nothing to do with properties and even nothing to do with markets. The best days of multifamily are behind us. I don't have any data that suggests that the best days of multi-family are ahead of us. By speaking relatively, I think multifamily's still up there, but it's best days are unquestionably behind it. I believe that going forward, multi-family is likely to track with inflation. Inflation is simply a tax on savers. Inflation is a deliberately designed mechanism designed by the banking system to dilute the value of your dollars. The reserve currency of the world is not a privilege. It is a burden. And if you don't understand why it's a burden, then you need to do some research and understand that it is a burden. Technology tends to basically have an impact where it drives down rates and we are entering an extraordinary new phase of technology, which will make the last 30 years look like child's clay. Timeline [00:39] Intro to Podcast [02:05] Intro to episode guest [02:57] One word that describes Neal personally and professionally. [04:20] Neal shares about his background and what he is up to. [06:21] Neal talks about the ghost of macroeconomics. [10:14] So explain a little bit or what's your perspective right now of where we are, where we've come from and where we're going? [17:57] Explain what inflation is and where it's at today? [25:31] What do you do to do multi-family and operate in the disparity of everything that's going on? [34:28] How to get ahold of Neal and what he can do for you. [36:23] What 's the best tourist attraction you've ever seen? [37:01] Best restaurant? [37:30] Last nuggets from Neal Contact Google: Neal Bawa (He is the only one)
Our episode today is jam-packed with great conversation and thought-provoking content. We start off the show with a quick chat to broaden the conversation on the value of learning, with VSV managing partner, Jenny Gou. We then dive into our interview with Neal Bawa, aka The Mad Scientist. Neal is the CEO and Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's company's use cutting edge, real estate analytics technology to source, acquire, and build large commercial properties across the US. Neal is an incredible educator with tons of content on his website. As you tune in, you'll get valuable insights into what's happening in the economy and real estate markets, we talk about interest rates, SOFRs, and spreads, and the influence they have. Neal shares what they are focusing on in terms of product types and their predictions for cap rates, he also shares a harrowing death story from his real estate journey. For all this, and more, tune in now! Key Points From This Episode:How Neal got the nickname The Mad Scientist. We dive into one of the big issues of today; Neal's thoughts on the economy.Neal's thoughts on the timing of how interest rate increases impact the economy.We talk about SOFRs and spreads and their impact.What is required for spreads to drop; what lenders need to watch for.Grocapitus' perspective of making investments now; pencils up or down and why.Their predictions for cap rates.The product type they're most focused on for the next 9 months.His thoughts on the Facebook/ Google layoffs (etc.,) as an indicator of something ominous ahead.A harrowing death story from Neal's real estate journey; dealing with seemingly insurmountable challenges.Where Neal would invest a million dollars, outside of physical real estate.Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:Neal Bawa on LinkedInNeal Bawa on InstagramMultifamily UniversityJenny Gou on LinkedInVSV Conference 2023Vertical Street Ventures VSV Academy Passive Income Through Multifamily Real Estate Facebook GroupPeter Pomeroy on LinkedInPeter Pomeroy Email
In this episode, we have the pleasure of having Neal Bawa back. Neal is the CEO & Founder of UGro and Grocapitus. These are two real estate investment companies that are responsible for about 4,800 units with an AUM value of over $1 BILLION. Neal & Co. uses advanced analytics and technology to generate successful results. He also holds a multifamily webinar each year that generates thousands of attendance to his Magic of Multifamily Boot Camp. Neal and Peter discuss the economic impacts that are occurring thus far in Q1, and what predictions Neal sees happening further in the year in Q3 & Q4. Predictions such as rent growth in the U.S. as a comparison to the inflation rate in the U.S. What does this mean? Listen to find out! Hope you enjoy this episode, thank you for listening.
What are wellness real estate and build-to-rent? How do these make life easier for tenants, and how do investors profit from them? The Mad Scientists of Multifamily, Neal Bawa, is on the show with us this week to give us answers. Neal Bawa is the CEO and co-founder of UGro Investments and Grocapitus, two real estate companies that utilize advanced real estate analytics technology to source, acquire, and build large commercial and multifamily properties across the country. Neal treats his whopping $1 billion portfolio as an experiment in efficiency and optimization, earning him the moniker, the Mad Scientist of Multifamily among real estate circles. As an expert technologist, Neal is one of the best sources of insights, techniques, and hard facts on multifamily real estate. In our highly anticipated interview with Neal, we go into heavy detail about wellness real estate and how Neal has helped transform this niche into something highly beneficial for both investors and tenants. We also delve into Neal's thoughts about the economy, the future of the post-recession US, and Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED). KEY TAKEAWAYS 1. Most people don't know that the unhealthiest places you can be are indoors. 2. People have become more concerned about ROI coming out of COVID. 3. Household formation usually becomes negative six months before a recession and three months after. 4. The US is running out of usable land due to a lack of infrastructure. LINKS https://grocapitus.com/ https://ugroforward.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ https://multifamilyu.com/ INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES Want to invest alongside Reed? All investments are 100% PASSIVE. Historical returns to accredited investors have ranged 18-31% annualized! To find out more, head on over to… www.reedgoossens.com
Jason is still in Japan with gently falling snow as his backdrop. And today, if you are expecting a housing market crash, don't hold your breath! Jason references Mike of Altos Research showing how inventory is very low and the trend is not changing anytime soon! Jason also finishes his interview with Neal Bawa, CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for over 800 investors. Current portfolio over 4800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach it's potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. He also believes that the Build-to-rent will become a much larger and more profitable part of the Multifamily asset class over the next 5 years, due to its uniquely desirable characteristics. Neal's vision is to combine the Build-to-rent asset class with fractionalization to democratize commercial real estate. Key Takeaways: Jason's editorial 1:28 Greetings from Japan! Neal Bawa is back for part 2 of his interview 2:58 Mike of Altos Research 5:04 Many sellers are refusing to sell their homes Neal Bawa interview 6:43 Demographics and the 'overstated' housing shortage 7:28 US immigration and China's appalling demographics 8:21 On this one we disagree: immigration 10:14 The booming middle class around the world 11:06 Technology and the gap that will widen again 12:13 The rise of the middle class and the looming asset shortage 17:54 Deglobalization of the world, America's Re-industrialization and the role of Mexico 20:27 Massive shift in imports and self-driving trucks 22:27 AI and the coming massive technologies 24:43 The true self-driving vehicle in the decade to come; Transportation As A Service (TAAS) 28:06 The need for raw materials and labor will diminish 29:50 Location, location, location- NOT anymore Quotables: "With the rising middle class, where are all the assets?" - Jeremy Siegel "I think the housing shortage ends sometime in the 2030s" - Neal Bawa "Software is eating the world." - Jason Hartman Mentioned: Alan Turing: The Turing Test Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class: Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate deals for investment or build a great business – Free Course: https://www.jasonhartman.com/deals Special Offer from Ron LeGrand: https://JasonHartman.com/Ron Free Mini-Book on Pandemic Investing: https://www.PandemicInvesting.com
Welcome to the RE Social Podcast, your source for real estate investing tips! Today, we have the privilege of talking with Anna Myers, the Chief Operating Officer of two commercial real estate companies, Grocapitus and UGRO. Anna is known as the "chief plate spinner" who makes it all happen, and she shares with us her journey to becoming the COO of these companies. In this episode, Anna Myers joins us to discuss multi-family investing and commercial real estate. She also provides insights on the industry's current state and shares her perspective on what makes a great investment opportunity in the commercial real estate space. Learn more as she offers tips on navigating the market and making smart investment decisions. With her extensive experience in the industry, this episode promises to be a fascinating and informative listen. Tune in now! Key Takeaways (00:38) - Who is Anna Myers (01:38) - Her role as the Chief Operating Officer (03:12) - An overview of her current success (04:18) - How she got into real estate (10:45) - Shifting to multi-family investing (12:12) - Why the shift to commercial real estate (17:28) - The structure of property management (20:54) - Her partnership journey with Neil (24:16) - Anna's comprehensive role in the company (28:23) - Building an audience for equity generation (31:18) - Talking about active and passive investors (33:42) - What makes their webinars stand out (36:51) - How to manage a global workforce (42:11) - Advice for younger investors in real estate (48:20) - Why the need to maximize the money (50:36) - Marketing to the 1031 exchange niche (54:57) - Building your audience in commercial real estate (56:35) - Navigating the current market conditions (01:01:43) - Why she decided to change her career (01:07:39) - What to read if you're interested in real estate (01:09:06) - The best way to reach Anna Quotes “I had freed up my life so that I could take advantage of opportunities that were presented to me.” (09:28) “The first thing you have to do is set your life up so that you can take advantage of big things.” (23:12) “You have to build credibility and establish yourself as someone trustworthy that people would want to invest their money in.” (29:26) “They've got to feel that if they put their money with you, you're going to preserve that capital.” (29:43) “You scale as a company because you have people with deep knowledge of how your company works.” (39:09) “If you continually look to solve people's problems, that will be a good thing.” (55:32) Resources and Links Connect with Anna: https://grocapitus.com/ https://ugroforward.com/ https://www.facebook.com/grocapitus/ https://www.linkedin.com/anna-myers/ https://www.linkedin.com/grocapitus-investments Learn more about AnVi Invest
Greetings from the "Land of the Rising Sun!" Today, Jason welcomes you all from Niseko, Japan! It's fitting that Jason and Neal talk about demographic collapse while visiting Japan because Japan is facing a drastic population decline. A very big thank you as well to all who attended the Empowered Investor LIVE conference! And to all who missed it and/or want to have the video recordings, we will have those recordings available to you in about a week, so please stay tuned. You can purchased all of the event recordings HERE. And today Jason welcomes the 'mad scientist of multifamily' Neal Bawa of Grocapitus investments. They talk about how demography affects real estate, where the housing market is and where it might be headed and the factors affecting your investments. Neal is a technologist who is universally known in the real estate circles as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Besides being one of the most in-demand speakers in commercial real estate, Neal is a data guru, a process freak, and an outsourcing expert. Neal treats his $1+ billion-dollar multifamily portfolio as an ongoing experiment in efficiency and optimization. The Mad Scientist lives by two mantras. His first mantra is that: We can only manage what we can measure. His second mantra is that: Data beats gut feel by a million miles. These mantras and a dozen other disruptive beliefs drive profit for his 800+ investors. Key Takeaways: Jason's editorial 1:22 Welcome to Niseko, Japan! 1:56 Demographic collapse 4:00 Overview of Neal's interview 4:58 Thank you to all who attended the Empowered Investor LIVE conference last January! Neal Bawa interview 6:08 Welcome Neal Bawa, Investigating blockchain and fractionalizing crypto 10:30 Outlook on the economy and the real estate market 16:06 Supply chain and the massive effects on inflation worldwide 20:43 Real estate, a very low-tech asset class; current state of 3D printing 25:44 Difficult to disrupt over-funded tech companies 27:53 The housing shortage and new household formations Quotables: "If you want to have a country, you must have children." - Jason Hartman "Real estate is extraordinarily difficult to disrupt." - Neal Bawa Mentioned: David Graeber, Debt: The First 5,000 Years Ivy Zelman Follow Jason on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM & LINKEDIN Twitter.com/JasonHartmanROI Instagram.com/jasonhartman1/ Linkedin.com/in/jasonhartmaninvestor/ Call our Investment Counselors at: 1-800-HARTMAN (US) or visit: https://www.jasonhartman.com/ Free Class: Easily get up to $250,000 in funding for real estate, business or anything else: http://JasonHartman.com/Fund CYA Protect Your Assets, Save Taxes & Estate Planning: http://JasonHartman.com/Protect Get wholesale real estate deals for investment or build a great business – Free Course: https://www.jasonhartman.com/deals Special Offer from Ron LeGrand: https://JasonHartman.com/Ron Free Mini-Book on Pandemic Investing: https://www.PandemicInvesting.com
Real estate is an occupation that can create abundant opportunities in lifestyle. In today's episode, Anna Myers who is a Chief Operating Officer shares with us her plans for watching the horizon and understanding how upcoming market changes can impact things.She also talks about data that isn't just about numbers—it is having continuous research study for the market. So one of the powers of our company and its efficiencies are rooted in knowledge. Buckle up and learn how to grow your market with plans and processes!Remember, this is your MBA. Have a notepad handy, and get ready to take some notes!Key Points from This Episode: • Anna shares her stepping stone on Grocapitus.• The hard-to-keep growth count of Grocapitus as of November 2022.• How to manage large portfolios?• What moratorium happens during the peak of COVID? • Anna talks about essential research studies on companies. • Ways of doing assets and getting away from a curve that is coming. • Anna shares about the growth value multi-family income funds. • Anna talks about their existing portfolios and the ship-shaped current assets. • Debts couldn't be ignored.• What is dry powder?• Anna's vision towards the best assets in the best neighborhoods of the best markets and the best states.Tweetables:“So we also believe it's very, very important to show your data to your investors” – Anna Myers “Our data is based on third party knowledge. I mean, we're not going around creating data.” – Anna Myers“Debt is so volatile right now that it's a very difficult environment to operate in” – Anna Myers“Be careful about where you buy. Because if you buy in a place that's still coming down, you could end up in the wrong, upside down there.” – Anna Myers“No one can tell you absolutely for sure which market is gonna do the absolute best.” – Anna Myers Links Mentioned:Grocapitus - GrofundMultifamily UAbout Anna MyersAnna serves as Vice President at Grocapitus, a commercial real estate investment company in the San Francisco Bay Area. Anna is a third-generation commercial real estate entrepreneur who applies her 25+ years of experience in technology and business to finding, analyzing, acquiring and asset managing commercial properties in key markets across the U.S. Together with her business partner Neal Bawa, they approach real estate through a data science lens to create compelling profits for 1000+ investors.As the lead underwriter for the company, Anna teaches deal analysis for MultifamilyU in quarterly Boot Camps. MultifamilyU is an apartment investing education company owned by the principal Neal Bawa. Also via MultifamilyU, Anna hosts weekly webinar events featuring top speakers in real estate. Anna is regularly interviewed on podcasts in the industry, with over 25 podcast appearances so far in 2019. Anna Myers also co-hosts two monthly Real Estate Investor Meetups in the Bay Area with over 1000 members.Related to Syndication with Grocapitus, Anna and Neal have successfully completed Equity Raises of 25 Million dollars for Multifamily Acquisitions in the last 12 months, resulting in over 1300 units purchased. They are on track to close another 1300 in the next 12 months. As the asset manager for the Grocapitus portfolio, Anna again brings the data driven approach to track and insert optimizations to the properties to help drive property performance and investor returns.
Every single decision in real estate relies on information. And in order to make the right move, you must mitigate your risks. For today's episode, the mad scientist of multifamily, Neil Bawa, talks about the issues that are currently happening today, the historical information of what our ancestors have done over the past decades, and how we can adapt our commercial real estate business and multifamily business.Since he is a data guru, process freak and outsourcing expert, he also shares with us how he treats his $1B portfolio to experiment with efficiency and optimization. Tune in as he shares his two mantras and the other disruptive beliefs that fuel him to drive consistent profits for his 700 investors! Catch us now and discover his playbook and 2023 outlook!Remember, this is your MBA. Have a notepad handy, and get ready to take some notes! Key Points from This Episode: Neal introduces himself and shares what he is currently doing with his assets. The specifics and markets Neal is looking for right now. Neal shares how he still manages to purchase properties and what he's doing for the future. What's going to happen to real estate in the next 12 months? Neal talks about the natural gas industry in the United States. The benefit that real estate has in the middle of a recession. Why, for Neal, today's property management is very simple? The concept of build-to-rent and the shift from high-density apartment complexes to mid-density apartment complexes. Why you need to get into the apartment market, particularly in the Build to Rent Industry. Neal's opinion about the theory that no one is going to buy a house anymore and everyone will just subscribe to renting. How can someone invest with Neal? Tweetables:“When you plan for the future, you can't just be planning for the next six months or the next 12 months.” – Neal Bawa“The bad news is the good news.” – Neal Bawa“No property manager does all of the things that they tell you they're going to do simply because there's not enough manpower.” – Neal Bawa“I would subscribe to you that build-to-rent is definitely one that our entire industry is now looking at.” – Neal Bawa“I think that it's not that they [millenilas] don't wanna buy homes, it's just that they realize that they're priced out.” – Neal BawaLinks Mentioned:Multifamily University WebsiteNeal Bawa on LinkedInNeal Bawa on FacebookAbout Neal BawaNeal Bawa is a technologist who is universally known in the real estate circles as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily. Besides being one of the most in-demand speakers in commercial real estate, Neal is a data guru, a process freak, and an outsourcing expert. Neal treats his $1 billion-dollar portfolio as an ongoing experiment in efficiency and optimization. The Mad Scientist lives by two mantras. His first mantra is that "We can only manage what we can measure". His second mantra is that "Data beats gut feel by a million miles". These mantras and a dozen other disruptive beliefs drive profit for his 700+ investors.Neal serves as CEO / Founder at Grocapitus, an iconic, data-driven commercial real estate investment company. Grocapitus' 28-person team acquires and builds multifamily & commercial properties across the U.S. With more than 700 active investors and over 2,000 reviewing our projects, the Grocapitus portfolio currently spans across 10 states with 31 projects (4 sold) and 4,800 units/beds. The powerful Grocapitus brand has a cult-like following of data-driven investors. The result - Completed equity raises of $270 million* for Multifamily, Mixed-Use and Industrial acquisitions in the last 18 months, with over 4,800 units purchased. Grocapitus is on track to close another 1,500 units in the next 12 months.
The Limited Partner - You can invest in Real Estate Private Equity!
Most Limited Partners are often focused in larger metros for investing multifamily units. This is mainly because of steady population growth, defined demographics in terms of household income. What they don't know is there are many opportunities in the smaller markets. And these are often markets that are rarely heard of. In today's podcast episode, we interview Neil Bawa, CEO and Founder of UGro and Grocapitus. Neil's companies use state of the art data analytics and science to make sound investment decisions for their real estate investors. Today's topics are focused on the power of data science in real estate, taking advantage of the demand supply gap in smaller markets, and what limited partners should know before they get into the game.Read the FULL EPISODE SUMMARY HERE!ARE THERE SOME WORDS OR LINGO THAT YOU WANTED TO LEARN AS AN APIRING LIMITED PARTNER? Just click on the link below: https://become.thelimitedpartner.com/Lingo
Join Seth Bradley and Neal Bawa in this episode of the Passive Income Attorney podcast as they talk about Data Science and its value in identifying extraordinary investment opportunities. Opportunities that guarantee a 100% win so you can confidently invest despite the uncertainties of the current market situation. Enjoy the episode! Here's a breakdown of what to expect in this episode: Combining Data Science with Real Estate How to be successful at various things Analysis of the last six recessions Where should consumers invest despite the looming recession The Super Value Add concept ABOUT | NEAL BAWA: Neal Bawa is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 700 investors. The current portfolio is over 4,800 units, with an AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal shares his team's unique and cutting-edge real estate data methodologies to connect with geeky and nerdy (or just data-driven) investors who share his vision - That Data beats gut feel by a million miles. Over 10,000 real estate investors have taken his free Real Estate Data Analytics course on udemy.com and the course has over 1000 five-star reviews. Neal speaks at dozens of real estate conferences across the country and virtually, on the Internet. Over 5,000 investors attend his multifamily webinar series each year and hundreds have attended his Magic of Multifamily boot camps. His Facebook and meetup groups have tens of thousands of investors. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope. He also believes that the Build-to-rent will become a much larger and more profitable part of the Multifamily asset class over the next 5 years, due to its uniquely desirable characteristics. Neal's vision is to combine the Build-to-rent asset class with blockchain tokenization to democratize commercial real estate. FIND | NEAL BAWA: Website: www.grocapitus.com LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/neal-bawa/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealbawa/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NealBawaMFU/ CONNECT | SETH BRADLEY: Book | Your Freedom Accelerator Call: https://calendly.com/sethbradley/freedomaccelerator Snag | The Freedom Blueprint: http://www.attorneybydesign.com Subscribe and Leave a Rating and Review: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-passive-income-attorney- podcast/id1543049208 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5a0Qp9G2x337nZCDWoVgoO?si=MKn01_t8Tfu0JBZCnagrCw Join EPIC | The Esquire Passive Investor Club: https://passiveincomeattorney.com/join-the-passive-income/ Join | The Passive Income Attorneys Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/passiveincomeattorneys Follow Us: Website: https://passiveincomeattorney.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethpaulbradley/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/passiveincomeattorney Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/passiveincomeattorney/
On today's episode of Ritter On Real Estate, we chat with Neal Bawa. Neal is CEO / Founder at UGro and Grocapitus, two commercial real estate investment companies. Neal's companies use cutting-edge real estate analytics technology to source and acquire OR build large Commercial properties across the U.S., for nearly 700 investors and has a portfolio of over 4,800 units. An AUM value (upon completion) of over $1 Billion. Neal believes that we are at a turning point, where traditional commercial real estate will combine with Proptech and Fintech technology disruptors, and will truly reach its potential as a tradable, highly liquid asset class that will rival and eventually beat the stock market in its size and scope.He also believes that the Build-to-rent will become a much larger and more profitable part of the Multifamily asset class over the next 5 years, due to its uniquely desirable characteristics. Welcome to the show, Neal!Key Points From The Episode: Neal's background building his company from 10 to 400 employees.Investing in real estate to lower taxes.Where we are in the current economic climate.Understanding GDP growth/decline and when the US will actually be in a recession.The future of interest rates.The cons of locking in long-term debt in today's economy. How to educate your investors as a syndicator.Books Mentioned: The Miracle Morning by Hal ElrodLink to EP 38: https://www.kentritter.com/podcast/how-to-optimize-for-profit-with-neal-bawa/