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2 episodes with Reviving Ophelia
2 episodes with Reviving Ophelia
2 episodes with Reviving Ophelia
Good morning Dragon Tamers!This week, Taco is joined by special guest Reviving Ophelia. Together, they break down all the results of the third week of Battle Towers C & D. We also spend a lot of time on next season's move update! We can't wait for y'all to give this episode a listen!Come join hosts JetForceGemini & TacoDog8 as they dive headfirst into storylines between all divisions of the Battle Frontier. What storylines will be woven, and who will emerge as the top teams? Tune in to find out!Consider joining us on discord: https://discord.gg/EwCPezjQKNFollow us on X: @DragonairDenPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/EntertheDragonairDen Music by Zame:Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ZameJackX: @Zame_IT
Good morning Dragon Tamers!This week, Taco is joined by special guest Reviving Ophelia. Together, they break down all the results of the second week of Battle Towers C & D. We also got a meta usage so break down given by Logistics! We can't wait for y'all to give this episode a listen!Come join hosts JetForceGemini & TacoDog8 as they dive headfirst into storylines between all divisions of the Battle Frontier. What storylines will be woven, and who will emerge as the top teams? Tune in to find out!Consider joining us on discord: https://discord.gg/EwCPezjQKNFollow us on X: @DragonairDenPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/EntertheDragonairDen Music by Zame:Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ZameJackX: @Zame_IT
The Cracking Open podcast has an exciting upcoming episode where, for the first time, I host a dual interview with Elizabeth Lesser and Mary Pipher to discuss a particular and profound issue for women (stay tuned for its release on November 21st!)Leading up to that episode's release, I am re-releasing their initial interviews with me so you can soak in their deep wisdom and charm. You can listen to Elizabeth's episode here. Whether it's the first time you've listened or a refresh, you are in for a treat.This week's episode on the Cracking Open podcast is someone who I would consider a cherished guide in my personal and professional journey over the last two decades.Mary Pipher, Ph.D. is a truly extraordinary psychologist who specializes in women, trauma, and the effect of culture on our mental health.I first came across Mary's work twenty years ago while teaching at an all-girls school in San Francisco. I felt lost on how to best provide emotional support to my students when they felt left out with friends, insecure about their bodies, navigating challenges in their home lives, or struggling with feeling worthy. A fellow teacher recommended that I read a book called Reviving Ophelia by Mary Pipher.When I read her words below, I knew I had found the right guidance:“Girls struggle with mixed messages:Be beautiful, but beauty is only skin deep.Be sexy, but not sexual.Be honest, but don't hurt anyone's feelings.Be independent, but be nice.Be smart, but not so smart you threaten boys.”Ever since, I have read anything and everything that Mary has written and it has always been a compassionate, wise, and safe place to land. And because of this, I am pinching myself that I got to have this conversation with her and share it with all of you.Mary graduated in Cultural Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley and received her Ph.D. from the University of Nebraska in Clinical Psychology. She was a Rockefeller Scholar in Residence at Bellagio and has received two American Psychological Association Presidential Citations, one of which she returned to protest psychologists' involvement in enhanced interrogations at Guantánamo and other black sites.She is a community organizer and activist for many causes and has authored 11 books including 4 New York Times bestsellers. Her latest book is A Life in Light, a luminous new memoir that taps into a cultural moment to offer wisdom, hope, and insight into loss and change.In today's episode, Mary reminds us that we don't have to be perfect, solve every problem, or "fix" anyone. She also helps us remember that we live in a universe filled with love and light that surrounds us and is available to us, at all times.I will leave you with her wise words:“I think a wonderful life doesn't mean that a person hasn't had a lot of tragedy. It means they've had a big, rich life where they've been able to experience a really wide range of emotions and people and adventures and learnings of all different kinds.And of course, in terms of loving fiercely, the price for loving fiercely is the pain of goodbye, but I would always choose to love fiercely.”Love,MollyLearn more about Mary Pipher and her work hereThe new 6-Month Coaching Group begins November 13th!Email Molly for more details!Follow Molly on Instagram and Facebook
Please excuse some inferior sound, I am displaced from my studio at the moment because of some very disagreeable pipes at our house that decided to flood our bottom floor. Sex is discussed in this episode, just a heads up, but not in any graphic way.Find our Outlander podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-great-outlander-rewatch/id1655047578Books referenced in this episode (purchasing them through my link supports the podcast as well as indie bookstores!):*Susan Douglas, Where the Girls Are: https://bookshop.org/a/80949/9780812925302*Mary Pipher, Reviving Ophelia: https://bookshop.org/a/80949/9780525537045*Tania Modleski, Loving with a Vengeance: https://bookshop.org/a/80949/9780415974516*Wendy McClure, The Wilder Life: https://bookshop.org/a/80949/9781594485688Support the showSupport Unsinkable on Patreon for as little as $1/month: https://www.patreon.com/unsinkablepodOr buy me a coffee!: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/labeadlesBuy Unsinkable shirts here!: https://www.bonfire.com/unsinkable-the-first-t-shirt/Support the pod via my Bookshop Storefront: https://bookshop.org/shop/unsinkablepodFind me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unsinkablepod/Website: https://www.unsinkablepod.com
This is the last episode in 2023. Back on Jan. 26, 2024! *Debbie talks to Mary Pipher, a psychologist and bestselling author of 11 books including the ground-breaking Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls. She was the first psychologist to recognize and articulate why life was difficult for adolescent girls and why so many of them felt bad about themselves.More recently, she has written Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age, about women navigating the transition from middle age to old age (the topic of this podcast!).In 2022, she published a memoir, A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence. In her new book, just out in paperback, Mary, now 76, talks about her difficult childhood and her relationship with her parents, the importance of family and community, living in a small town in Nebraska, and what the particular challenges of getting old are. She also talks about forgiveness, about adopting Buddhism and her definition of happiness. Per the title, she's obsessed with light, through trees, on walks, at certain times of day, in certain rooms, and in memories — and how the light makes her feel happy and complete.She says her knowledge about happiness comes from being someone who has struggled with sadness and anxiety much of her life, something that resonates strongly with Debbie.This is a great episode. Mary articulates so well what it's really like to get old and yet still feel so alive.//////////Don't miss the Behind The Scenes essay accompanying each episode in Debbie's [B]OLD AGE on Substack.////////// Mentioned in this episode or useful:MaryPipher.comA Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback edition, Dec. 12, 2023)Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls by Mary Pipher PhD & Sara Gilliam (Riverhead Books 2019)Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback 2020)Finding Light in Winter by Mary Pipher (Guest Essay for The New York Times, Dec. 11, 2023)This is 74: Mary Pipher Responds to The Oldster Magazine QuestionnaireJane Jarvis, Player of Jazz and Mets Music, Dies at 94 (New York Times, Jan. 30, 2010) Connect with Debbie:debbieweil.comEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackFacebook: @debbieweilInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil Our Media Partners:CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell) How to Support this podcast:Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify Credits:Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake
Mary Pipher revolutionized our understanding of adolescent girls with her best-selling book Reviving Ophelia. Since then, Mary has been writing about the skills women need to thrive across their lifespans. Drawing from her own experiences and her extensive work, including 'Letters to a Young Therapist' and 'Women Rowing North,' Pipher discusses the impact of cultural contexts on individuals, the necessity of self-discovery, and how to find rest amidst a midlife meltdown. She also encourages friendship, intention, and gratitude to cultivate happiness, illustrating that it's never too late to develop these life-coping skills.Related ResourcesGet enhanced show notes for this episodeSubscribe to my free Wise Effort newsletter.Become a MORE Life in Process member to support the show.Find out what kind of Striver you are and get your free Skillful Striving ToolkitWant to learn more about ACT? Take Diana's on-demand course, "Foundations of ACT"Diana's EventsCome to Diana's Costa Rica retreat in 2024...there are a few spots left!You can sign up for the Wise Effort Together (All-Access Pass) See Diana at an upcoming eventConnecting With DianaThank you for listening to Your Life in Process! Subscribe to the podcast for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts. Follow Diana on YouTube, Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, and Diana's website.Leave feedback for the show or a voicemail at (805) 457-2776Thank you to the team Craig, Ashley Hiatt, and Yoko Nguyen. Thank you to Benjamin Gould of Bell & Branch for your beautiful music.Remember when you become psychologically flexible, you become free.
Een goede moeder zijn, maar ook een carrière najagen; sexy zijn, maar niet té: wat de maatschappij van vrouwen en meisjes vraagt is niet te doen. Logisch dat zo veel tienermeisjes met hun mentale welzijn worstelen, laat psycholoog Mary Pipher zien in haar klassieke boek Reviving Ophelia. Wil je vrijblijvend kennismaken met ons journalistieke platform? Schrijf je in voor de proefmail en ontvang elke week een door redacteuren Sander van Dalsum en Milou Meulenbroek geselecteerd verhaal in je inbox: https://decorrespondent.nl/proefmail ****** Voor de beste en meest privacyvriendelijke luisterervaring kun je terecht in de Correspondent-app. Ontdek 500+ shows en verhalen en ga in gesprek met je favoriete correspondenten. Download de app snel in de app-store! Geen lid? Maak ook onafhankelijke journalistiek mogelijk en krijg toegang tot de app: corr.es/wordlid. ****** Productie: Kerem Özilhan, Julius van IJperen. Voor vragen, opmerkingen of suggesties mail naar post@decorrespondent.nl
Een goede moeder zijn, maar ook een carrière najagen; sexy zijn, maar niet té: wat de maatschappij van vrouwen en meisjes vraagt is niet te doen. Logisch dat zo veel tienermeisjes met hun mentale welzijn worstelen, laat psycholoog Mary Pipher zien in haar klassieke boek Reviving Ophelia. Wil je vrijblijvend kennismaken met ons journalistieke platform? Schrijf je in voor de proefmail en ontvang elke week een door redacteuren Sander van Dalsum en Milou Meulenbroek geselecteerd verhaal in je inbox: https://decorrespondent.nl/proefmail ****** Voor de beste en meest privacyvriendelijke luisterervaring kun je terecht in de Correspondent-app. Ontdek 500+ shows en verhalen en ga in gesprek met je favoriete correspondenten. Download de app snel in de app-store! Geen lid? Maak ook onafhankelijke journalistiek mogelijk en krijg toegang tot de app: corr.es/wordlid. ****** Productie: Kerem Özilhan, Julius van IJperen. Voor vragen, opmerkingen of suggesties mail naar post@decorrespondent.nl
Today's episode on the Cracking Open podcast is someone who I would consider a cherished guide in my professional journey over the last two decades. Mary Pipher, Ph.D. is a truly extraordinary psychologist who specializes in women, trauma, and the effect of culture on our mental health.I first came across Mary's work twenty years ago when I was teaching at an all-girls school in San Francisco. I was feeling lost on how to best provide emotional support to my students when they felt left out with friends, insecure about their bodies, navigating challenges in their home lives, or struggling with feeling worthy. A fellow teacher recommended that I read a book called Reviving Ophelia by Mary Pipher. When I read her words below, I knew I had found the right guidance:“Girls struggle with mixed messages: Be beautiful, but beauty is only skin deep. Be sexy, but not sexual. Be honest, but don't hurt anyone's feelings. Be independent, but be nice. Be smart, but not so smart you threaten boys.” Ever since, I have read anything and everything that Mary has written and it has always been a compassionate, wise, and safe place to land. And because of this, I am pinching myself that I got to have this conversation with her and share it with all of you.Mary graduated in Cultural Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley and received her Ph.D. from the University of Nebraska in Clinical Psychology. She was a Rockefeller Scholar in Residence at Bellagio and has received two American Psychological Association Presidential Citations, one of which she returned to protest psychologists' involvement in enhanced interrogations at Guantánamo and other black sites.She is a community organizer and activist for many causes and has authored 11 books including 4 New York Times bestsellers. Her latest book is A Life in Light, a luminous new memoir that taps into a cultural moment to offer wisdom, hope, and insight into loss and change.In today's episode, Mary reminds us that we don't have to be perfect, solve every problem, or "fix" anyone. She also helps us remember that we live in a universe filled with love and light that surrounds us and is available to us, at all times. I will leave you with her wise words:“I think a wonderful life doesn't mean that a person hasn't had a lot of tragedy. It means they've had a big, rich life where they've been able to experience a really wide range of emotions and people and adventures and learnings of all different kinds.And of course, in terms of loving fiercely, the price for loving fiercely is the pain of goodbye, but I would always choose to love fiercely.”Love,MollyLearn more about Mary Pipher herePurchase Mary's latest book A Life In Light hereConnect with Mary on FacebookLearn more about Molly Carroll hereConnect with Molly on Instagram and FacebookFeeling Stuck?It's Your Time To Get UNSTUCK3-Month Small Group Coaching ProgramStarting October 5, 2023Book a FREE discovery call with Molly today!
It's here! Our next series, “For the Love of the Middle” kicks off this week. Many of us are at that middle stage of life, and if we aren't, we're going to get there eventually. This series brings life, hope and humor to a period of life which can at times be surprising, confusing, but ultimately, steeped in the wisdom of years lived and the harder work of our 20's and 30's behind us. We're ringing in the start of this series with an amazing first guest; Mary Pipher, a clinical psychologist, anthropologist, and author. In her full scope of work, Mary has pioneered important conversations around motherhood and raising girls. Mary was the first to bring the effects of culture on mental health to the mainstream, especially for women and girls. She has a deep understanding of how culture can shape our thoughts, feelings, and behavior. Her most recent work has focused on aging intentionally, peppered with her own experience and her work has inspired many people to rethink the way we approach mental health and aging within our society. Join Mary and Jen as they discuss: - Pipher's background in psychology and how she became engaged in the cultural conversations about girlhood. - The importance of cultivating personal resilience and adaptability in aging. - How society impacts the mental health of girls and women at different stages of life. - The cultural scripts that influence girls' body image and sexuality, and how they differ from reality. - The role of caregivers and the challenges they face in taking care of aging family members. Mary Pipher's work is groundbreaking in exploring the connections between culture, mental health, and their impacts on aging. Her insights are instrumental in shaping the way we approach mental health issues and caregiving, and her activism and writing continue to help women all over the world. Thank you to our sponsors! Boll & Branch | These are the softest sheets ever. Get 15% off your best night's sleep at www.BollandBranch.com using promo code ForTheLove. Jen Hatmaker & Friends Cruise | Book your spot now at JenHatmaker.com/cruise MeCourse | Let's join sexologist Dr. Celeste Holbrook and Jen as they talk about real steps you can take to improve your sex life. Head to MeCourse.org/love101 to register. Thought-Provoking Quotes! “One of the things I really love about my life as a 75 year old is I'm very busy, but I can wake up every morning and decide what I want to be busy at. And what a gift that is.” - Mary Pipher “Every life stage has its joys and its challenges as you know. We know that there's a lot of research that women get happier as they age. They're the happiest demographic in the world.” - Mary Pipher “if you don't become better, you become bitter. Right? You either grow or you shrink. You don't get to stay the same without growing. We all age, but we don't all grow. And the secret of being happy is growing.” -Mary Pipher “I very much believe we all find what we're looking for. And if what we're looking for is joy and love and kindness and beauty and laughter, that's what we find.” -Mary Pipher “So one of the goals of this life state is learning to detach and let go--acceptance of the fact that my world will not be as popular as before. And that means that the light I find is not in other people's eyes, it's gotta be in my own heart.” -Mary Pipher Guest's Links! Mary Pipher's Website - www.marypipher.com Mary Pipher's Facebook - @authormarypiper Books & Resources Mentioned in This Episode Mary Pipher's Books: Hunger Pains, the American Woman's Tragic Quest for Thinness, Reviving Ophelia, Women Rowing North, Seeking Peace, The Shelter of Each Other Simone De Beauvoir: The Second Sex Jane Jarvis - American Jazz Pianist Connect with Jen! Jen's website Jen's InstagramJen's Twitter Jen's FacebookJen's YouTube
T and Alex discuss this controversial and cutting edge topic to explore why females tend more towards disguised competitive strategies as opposed to males who are direct and overt when competing with one another. We discover why this particular evolutionary strategy developed (there are very good reasons), what purpose it served and ideas about moving forward in a world with shifting rules. This is a mostly unexplored topic which we haven't heard discussed much outside of academia. We are excited to bring it forward in the hopes of inspiring debate and the development of new ideas, so that one day, in the not too distant future, females can move out in the world and finally say openly and without reprisal "I want to win." This podcast comes with a trigger warning since we discuss sensitive topics such as social exclusion. Alex has a new self guided VIP area! at The Woman's Body Coach DIY your way to good health with this integrated approach to health and fitness. It's just $30 a month until March when the price increases so don't miss this opportunity! SIGN UP T is a counselor, and currently has a couple of openings for new clients. Find out about T and book at Being Real Alex mentioned Gabby Reece's podcast The Gabby Reece Show We mentioned Title 9 which you can read about HERE T mentioned Reviving Ophelia by Mary Pipher We referenced this brilliant study throughout: The development of human female competition: allies and adversaries https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826208/ We mentioned this sassy kid: Lemme tell you something Linda
Today we are rewinding and sharing a holiday episode we loved. We interview Jane Isay. She is the author of the book Walking on Eggshells, Navigating the Delicate Relationships between Adult Children and Parents. She is a New Yorker from birth and gets right to the point.Have you had enough togetherness during the holidays? "Shut the door," she says. How about when the kids come home, how to make them happy? "Give them the keys!"And, wait until you hear what she said about her son who was Chief of Staff for Chuck Schumer's first senatorial campaign. And just as a hint - it references Al D'Amato!!!! But there is lots more. Jane's bio is extraordinary. She's been an editor for over forty years. She discovered Mary Pipher's Reviving Ophelia, commissioned Patricia O'Connor's bestselling Woe Is I and Rachel Simmons' s Odd Girl Out, and edited such nonfiction classics as Praying for Sheetrock and Friday Night Lights. And of course she's written several books of her own, including Walking on Eggshells and her latest Unconditional Love. Jane's son is Dave Isay, the founder of StoryCorps. Here is a link to an interview for TED Talks he did with his mother.We hope you laugh out loud with this episode and love Jane as much as we did.Thanks so much to Connie Gorant Fisher, our audio engineer.Support us P L E A S E!Buy us a coffee: LINK HERE (only 5 BUCKS and it means alot!) Buy a mug: LINK HEREHoliday gift giving? Think about getting something from Shapermint. Lots of great items for your or those you are gifting! Use this link and just put biteyourtongue (one word) in the CODE at checkout.Follow up on our social media platforms Facebook Instagram Twitter LinkedIn And remember - sometimes you might just have to BITE YOUR TONGUE!
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Reading the intro to the book, Reviving Ophelia, I had so many ah-has about how we as moms lose decades of our lives to other people's needs and wants. We give up our own selves to become the version of us society wants and needs us to be. What happens when you wake up in your 30's or 40's, look at your life, and realize you have no idea who you are or what you want? I'll give you a road map of small doable steps to rediscover yourself. Don't forget, small group mastermind coming in January: Resign or Revive your job. If you'd like to apply for a spot (starts 1/23), send me an email! Check out my free resources and coaching offers on my website
Dr. Mary Pipher is a clinical psychologist, author and activist. She has devoted her life to caring for her family, her community, and the environment - while writing nine books grounded in her straightforward and honest approach to life. Best known for her first best-selling book, Reviving Ophelia, which addressed the crisis facing adolescent girls, Dr. Pipher has been impactful in many areas of mental health. Tune in for this part one or two conversations with Dr. Pipher from her home in Lincoln, Nebraska. A "best of" interview from 2016 - updated for today,
Episode Guest: Mary Pipher, Ph.D., speaker and authorEpisode Description: Women growing older contend with ageism, misogyny, and loss. Yet as Mary Pipher shows, most older women are deeply happy and filled with gratitude for the gifts of life. Their struggles help them grow into the authentic, empathetic, and wise people they have always wanted to be.In Women Rowing North, Pipher offers a timely examination of women's cultural and developmental issues as they age. Drawing on her own experience as a daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, caregiver, clinical psychologist, and cultural anthropologist, she explores ways women can cultivate resilient responses to their challenges. "If we can keep our wits about us, think clearly, and manage our emotions skillfully," Pipher writes, "we will experience a joyous time of our lives. If we have planned carefully and packed properly, the journey can be transcendent if we have good maps and guides." About Mary Pipher:Mary Pipher graduated in Cultural Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley in 1969 and received her Ph. D. from the University of Nebraska in Clinical Psychology in 1977. She has worked most of her life as a therapist, and she has taught at the University of Nebraska and Nebraska Wesleyan University. She was a Rockefeller Scholar in Residence at Bellagio and has received two American Psychological Association Presidential Citations, one of which she returned to protest psychologists' involvement in enhanced interrogations at Guantanamo. She is the author of ten books, including Reviving Ophelia and her latest, Women Rowing North. Four of her books have been New York Times bestsellers. She is a contributing writer for the New York Times. Get in touch with Mary Pipher:Mary's website: https://marypipher.com/ Purchase Mary's Book, Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age: https://revolutionizeretirement.com/womenrowing Grab our free guide, 10 Key Issues to Consider as You Explore Your Retirement Transition, at https://10keyretirementissues.com/
"Well-researched, skillfully written, and deeply helpful. [The authors] are cultural therapists who teach us how to help teens with the most urgent and important of lessons -- how to sleep well." -- Mary Pipher, author of "Reviving Ophelia"
Teens have the ability to know how much they need to eat. And when we interfere with that, as parents, we start to break down their natural ability. When we model that we trust our children to listen to their bodies, that they are in charge of their bodies, it also models consent.Welcome to Burnt Toast! This is the podcast where we talk about diet culture, fatphobia, parenting, and health. Today I’m chatting with Signe Darpinian who is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, certified eating disorder specialist, and host of Therapy Rocks, a personal growth podcast. She is also the co-author of No Weigh!: A Teen's Guide to Positive Body Image, Food, and Emotional Wisdom and the new book Raising Body Positive Teens: A Parent’s Guide to Diet-free Living, Exercise, and Body Image. I’m really thrilled to have Signe on the podcast because she is someone who can answer all your questions about intuitive eating and anti-diet life with teenagers.If you enjoy this episode, please subscribe, rate and review us in your podcast player! And subscribe to the Burnt Toast newsletter for episode transcripts, reported essays, and more.ICYMI! I joined Signe on her podcast last week. We focused on how to talk about fatness and fatphobia with teenagers; listen here.VirginiaI am such a fan of your work, and especially the new book. Can you tell our listeners a little more about yourself and your work?SigneI’ve been treating eating disorders now for over 20 years. And I actually had the good fortune of being exposed to non-diet and weight-inclusive approaches right in the beginning, when I was really green. It’s something that I was very lit up about right from the beginning. It’s been interesting in 20+ years to see the different trends. Like you talked about in your book, The Eating Instinct, to see the trends of diet culture, which were more straightforward in the beginning, like Jenny Craig, to today’s wellness culture. A couple other things about me: I started a podcast right in the beginning of the pandemic. And I’m what some people call a single mother by circumstance, a little bit different than a single mom by choice. It was a happy accident! It can be interesting being a single parent and doing this food piece. My lived experience is more like, well, we’re going to do it this way. That’s not always a parallel to what other people experience — doing food when partners feel differently about diet culture can be tough.I have a 12-year-old daughter and this book was a much bigger project. My daughter threatened to stab the book in the heart when it comes out. VirginiaIs that because of the time it took or because she disagrees with the content?SigneShe doesn’t really know the content. It’s a funny question because the teen book is actually just perfect for her. Age 12 would be a great starting age. She has it on her bookshelf and I asked her if she would consider reading it. She’s like, “Only if you pay me.” I’m like, “Are we talking about twenty bucks?” She’s like, “More like one hundred.” I’m like, “Forget it.” So no, it’s not the content because I don’t think she’ll ever know. She has no interest. It’s more like, you know how it is with writing. It took a lot of time. It was a much bigger project and those last few weeks are pretty daunting. It’s a lot of hard work—and really fun! But she was ready for it to be done, which I understand.VirginiaMy eight-year-old often asks, “Oh, are you still writing that book?” And there’s a little tone there! A little judgment. She’s like, “How many chapters are you trying to do?”SigneVirginia, what about your recent post about your eight-year-old never wanting to be a writer unless she had to for the money?VirginiaI was like, “Oh, how do I explain to you that if you have to do things for the money, this is not the thing?”SigneI’ve definitely got a reluctant reader over here.VirginiaMine’s a reader, but she does not like writing. She feels sorry for me with this career choice. Okay, so the big reason I wanted to have you on is because I get lots of questions from parents of teenagers. I really relate to the sense of panic I get in these emails where parents say, “I’m just now discovering concepts like intuitive eating or diet culture or fatphobia.” Maybe during their kids’ earlier childhood they were more controlling around food or they were on diets themselves. And they’re just feeling like, well, now, what do I do? My kid is 14 or 16 or 20, and this is a shift we want to make. But is it too late?SigneThe short answer is: It’s never too late. We’re not modeling perfectionism, as parents. We’re modeling humanity. I don’t know about you, Virginia, but I try to do my best in modeling good mistake-making. I’m really taking ownership for my part in things more than I’m trying to model being perfect. Well, because I couldn’t anyway. I’ve tried that it doesn’t work. We are all immersed in diet culture and it’s really, really sneaky. There’s so much morality around food. Parents are in the same culture. Just thinking about their evolution, the evolution of their body image, and the messaging they received when they were young. What was going on at their table with food? What was happening with body image? And the conditioning that they come with. So on one hand, I think parents hold a lot of power. Our hope in writing the parent book is that we can give parents a point of reference for what a friendship with food might look like or a friendship with body might look like. Because we’ve really lost our way as a culture. We hope for them to become awake and aware about when did they become disembodied? When did they become disconnected from their own body? Thinking about ways that they might like to be different as it relates to food and body image, so that they can extend it outward. I have friends, for example, that by now know about body positivity and intuitive eating. They know the right things to say, but there’s an incongruency with what they’re saying and what they’re doing themselves. Our kids and our teens, they can sniff out those incongruencies. So we can think about the ways that we would like to be different and think of it in terms of a process, not a finished product. I think that’s a great starting place for parents.VirginiaWhat you’re really modeling is recognizing mistakes and learning from mistakes. Because kids know we’re making mistakes all the time. They’re not fooled. For us to own that and say, “Yeah, I’ve been getting this wrong, and I’m trying to do it differently.” That feels so powerful. I would imagine kids would appreciate it, even if they don’t say, “Oh, thanks, Mom, I really appreciate that.” What does this shift look like if you’re starting this with older kids? Concepts like Division of Responsibility can be so helpful when you’re developing this with younger kids but the guidance gets a little hazier as kids get older. They are more adept at preparing their own food, they’re out in the world more. They can take more responsibility in some senses. Parents often don’t know how and when to really hand over that responsibility.SigneThe Division of Responsibility, the way that I understand it, is the parent is in charge of the when to eat and the what to eat. I like to put a lot of emphasis on being very mindful about the what to eat not being only “healthy” food. It can be problematic when somebody is in charge of the what to eat and they are immersed in their own diet culture. That could go really badly. Then of course, the child or the teen is in charge of the how much. I want to make one disclaimer about Division of Responsibility. In my caseload, by the time people come to me, there is already a very serious problem. There is already a clinical eating disorder. The thing that I’m hearing most often from parents, when there’s already a clinical eating disorder, is “I just thought they were trying to eat healthier and exercise more.” That’s the way this looks right now. I’m on the frontlines in this work. If my daughter came to me and said she wanted to eat healthier, I would respond to it in the same way as if she told me she wanted to start smoking cigarettes. VirginiaSo it’s a big red flag.Signe“Eating healthier” is a big red flag. And just don’t want to do any false advertising around Division of Responsibility. VirginiaIt doesn’t work for people in the acute stages of an eating disorder. That’s not where you start when you’re in treatment. SigneExactly. Division of Responsibility is going to really look very different with my 12-year-old than it is with somebody else’s. At one end of the continuum, we have households that may have been modeling externally imposed restriction. Externally imposed restriction might look like a parent micromanaging a teen or a child’s food and feeding them in a way that really has to do with their concern about their weight. On the other end, you might have a household that almost looks too loose. That’s actually the the household that I had, up until my daughter was in kindergarten or first grade. I was so aware of attuned ways of eating and how important a more connected way of eating is that I actually wasn’t providing enough structure for my particular child. That doesn’t mean that other children couldn’t do just fine with a very loose household with food. In my own circumstance, my daughter was needing more structure and guidance around food the same way she needed a bedtime. With teenagers, I think parents can still incorporate a lot of the Division of Responsibility paradigm. Making sure that the foods are there. One of the guidelines that we use in our book is making foods equal. Not only equal in morality, but equal in availability. Equal in availability might look like if the refrigerator was full of foods that sort of matched an “all foods fit” paradigm, not just the ones deemed “healthy.” Foods are there and equally easy to grab. Maybe there’s cubed up fruit and there’s cheese sticks and there’s fun size candy. They’re equally easy to grab. We can then grab the food that our bodies are actually calling for versus what’s easiest. I also want to make the disclaimer that we don’t always have the time to do the preliminary work to make foods equally easy to grab, equal in availability. So I just want to name that sometimes we will, sometimes we won’t. No big. One of the things that really resonates with me is not micromanaging what they’re up to with their food during the day. They’re clearly going to have a lot more autonomy with food. Some of them are driving now. They have their own money. They’re going to friends’ houses. So you would never assess or take an inventory of what was eaten that day and base your dinner decision or dessert decision on what they had during the day.VirginiaThat’s their opportunity to be practicing these skills. It’s not on you to say that if they had ice cream after school, then they can’t have cookies with dinner.SigneExactly. If I asked my daughter, “What did you guys have for snack today?” Like, if I know somebody brought something in. If my intention is to see if she had sweets and that will determine if we have dessert tonight, then I’m not going to say anything. But if my intention is just genuinely, I’m curious, then I might ask. With teenagers there’s another component that comes in and this piece would really come more from my co-author Wendy Sterling, the dietitian. She says the teenage years are also a really nice time to start introducing some basic food prep skills. Maybe they’re in charge of one recipe for dinner or maybe they’re putting together their own lunch. You’re making the food available and accessible, but they’re in charge of some of those chores that are related to food prep or cleanup as it relates to a meal. One other thing I want to bring in around that, and this comes from a podcast I did with somebody who’s an expert on adulting, Julie Lythcott-Haims. She was talking about how when we grew up we didn’t experience a culture of busy-ness in quite the same way that we’re seeing today. Sometimes, these meal prep chores, we’re not having our kids do them, because they’re too busy. Everybody is too busy. I can empty the dishwasher quicker than they can, I can set the table quicker than they can, so I might as well just do it for them. So I just wanted to bring in how the culture of busyness may show up in what we’re talking about, as well.VirginiaI think that applies for parents of all ages. I even think about that now with my eight-year-old, she could be clearing the table more. We do have them clear their own plates, but we were just having a conversation about starting to build in small opportunities for these skills. Because I want a 16-year-old who can make her own lunch! I don’t want to be packing lunches when they’re 16.SigneBefore before I did that interview, I don’t know that I was as aware of it, you know? My 12-year-old is like, “Can you get me some water?” I’m like, “Hey, you’re as tall as I am. Go get it yourself!” Right now I’m noticing how often I’m like there’s no time for her to empty the dishwasher. I’m just going to do it. Julie Lythcott-Haims, who was a Stanford Dean for several years, noticed a trend that a lot of these kids that are entering school nowadays, it looks like somebody has been cutting their meat for too long. Way too long.One other skill, as far as parents thinking about first steps that they might take in getting more attuned and connected to their body’s wisdom, is the hunger meter. We have a pretty basic hunger meter, which is one to ten. At the higher end is fullness. So, say six to ten, those are the fullness gradations of the hunger meter. At the lower end, the one would be famished, starving. A three would be the first sign of appetite, whatever that feels like for a particular person. When somebody is going from eating with a diet mentality or eating “from the chin up,” which means reducing their food choices to nutrients only and what I “should” and “shouldn’t” eat. When you go from years of eating from the chin up in a very disconnected, disembodied way and you’re going to start trying to eat from your body’s cues, the hunger meter can be a nice tool. Some people aren’t calibrated enough to start eating intuitively and so they might need to do mechanical eating. A simplified definition of mechanical eating might be eating by the clock on the wall. It may require some calibration first.VirginiaThat’s for folks who maybe in the past have been skipping meals or eating really erratically, so this is to make sure you are eating during the day and not skipping and ending up over-hungry.SigneThinking about getting recalibrated, doing some mechanical eating, ultimately that might give you some access to your body’s cues. And then the hunger meter as a tool may come in handy. We get told a lot that that’s probably one of the most helpful tools, and we have a chapter on the different gradations. Here’s what it would look like once you’re recalibrated. Maybe you just ate lunch at noon and it’s two o’clock and you’re feeling a pull toward food. Okay, so just trying to identify where you might be on, on the hunger meter. Maybe you’re at a five and you’re neutral. You’re not hungry and you’re not full, but you’re feeling that pull toward food. The hunger meter is meant to really just be used as a tool that you’re checking in and deciding from the inside. Becoming awake and aware about where you are. It’s all about choice. The target behavior here is really about creating a little bit of space between you and the food and just assessing where you are. oh, I’m at a five, I’m neutral. I’m not hungry, I’m not full. Just to be awake and aware of what’s going on for you—and then what you do after that is up to you. That’s your choice. The intervention or the target isn’t so much what you end up doing with the food—maybe you eat it, maybe you don’t, who cares? The intervention is just becoming awake and aware so you have more choice around your food.VirginiaThat’s a helpful distinction, because I do think there’s a risk of using hunger meters and feeling like, Well, I’m not hungry enough. There’s definitely a way to turn it into a diet,SigneYou can turn it into a diet in a nanosecond. It’s just creating that space between you and the food. VirginiaAnother thing you have in the book that I really love is the chapter on boundaries. I loved one you just highlighted, setting a boundary of not policing what your kid eats out of the house. What else do parents of teenagers need to understand about boundaries? What kind of boundaries should we be trying to respect when kids set them around food and body?SigneOne of my favorite excerpts around boundaries and food is from the chapter co-written with Anna Lutz, RD. [You can also hear Anna on Burnt Toast here!]Anna says: “Teens have the ability to know how much they need to eat. And when we interfere with that, as parents, we start to break down their natural ability. When we model that we trust our children to listen to their bodies, that they are in charge of their bodies, it also models consent.” So I think this really illuminates the importance of not interfering with children’s or teen’s stopping place. You are really helping them strengthen the muscle of listening to their instinct and honoring it. We might be talking about food right now, but in allowing them to do that with their food and not saying like, “you’re not going to get up from the table until you eat your broccoli,” or “you can’t have your dessert until you do this,” or “you’re not going to have another piece of pizza,” or whatever it is. VirginiaThat’s such a powerful moment, for parents to realize that the concepts that we’re working out around the dinner table is going to translate into how your kids trust their bodies in so many different settings. And that’s all we want, right? We want our kids to listen to their bodies first and foremost, in dating, all of a that.SigneThat’s my favorite boundary as it relates to food. In the body boundaries chapter, we did this effective communication model, we call it ad libs for effective communication. It’s an effective communication model that I see in a lot of places, it’s pretty well documented. When you have a body boundary to not let other people comment on your body, whether it’s positive or negative, letting them know where you stand. Like, “Hey, it’s not okay when you comment on my body without my consent.” So you stick with the facts, then you grab in one or two feeling words: “I feel angry.” And then the because. Because is what it is about them commenting on your body that makes you feel this way. “Because it gives me the impression that you’re scrutinizing my body.” So it’s a really simple formula and of course, you want to make it yours. You don’t want to sound like a therapy session. The person may come in and say, “Well, gosh, I just thought you looked great and I thought I would just tell you. It looks like you’ve lost weight.” The best way to win the game is to not play. So you just say, “That maybe be your perspective, but I wanted to let you know how those comments affect me.” Sometimes it helps to practice in your journal or with a therapist or to a friend that you’ve really felt safe with. Sometimes it’s helpful to just write out what you would have liked to have said that you didn’t feel comfortable saying, as you’re practicing and getting ready to do boundaries. Something I think we leave out when we talk about boundaries is they’re really hard. Especially if somebody has been taught to not make waves in their family of origin or if somebody’s temperament is conflict avoidant, it’s not very comfortable. I think it’s important, when we’re talking about boundaries, instead of just saying, “Oh, be sure to have a boundary and don’t let anybody comment on your body,” to also bring in this preparation. We need to tell people: When you do have these boundaries for the first time, it may feel really bad. I mean, really, really bad. In the chapter, I talked about my own experience, where I would feel so awful in practicing boundaries for the first time, like I robbed a bank or something. It might feels bad in that situation, not because your boundary is wrong, but because you’re breaking a pattern. VirginiaI appreciate the script you’ve given us because I think the other person’s reaction is often what makes it feel so dangerous. You can’t control whether or not the boundary will be respected or how they’ll respond. So that follow up of, “That may be your perspective, but I wanted you to know how these comments affect me,” is so helpful, because that gives you a way to get out of that. SigneYou’re right, you’re right. Because it of course it depends on who you’re giving the boundary to. If it’s a person that feels really safe and you have an egalitarian relationship with, then then they’re going to hear it and be very receptive. That’s going to be different from delivering a boundary from somebody who is out of balance. When you give a boundary to some people, they’re not going to be happy and that’s okay. It’s important for us to really get comfortable with tolerating somebody not being okay with us.VirginiaAnd not feeling like it’s our job to fix them not being happy about the boundary we needed to set. SigneYeah, you can say it in the most eloquent way, and some people may still not be happy and that’s alright.VirginiaThe last thing I wanted to talk to you about was your social media chapter. This is a major route that teenagers are being exposed to diet culture. Talk a little bit about how you advise parents to engage with kids on this. How do we talk about the negative food and body messages that kids are encountering online while holding that kids want to be on social media and that there’s a real need for it. SigneOne thing that I learned while writing this book comes from dialoguing with Sara Pipher Gilliam about social media. In preparing for the 25th Anniversary of Reviving Ophelia, they did 18 months of focus groups with adolescent girls and their parents. What was interesting is that every single one of those teenagers were told up front when they first got their devices, “We are going to be checking in on your social media on a regular basis. Whatever you put out there in a text or group chat, it’s for the whole world to see. I am going to be looking at it regularly.” And almost every single one of the parents never did follow up on that. This is something I’m dealing with regularly with with my particular caseload, but also with my 12-year-old. We have really good intentions and we know that the technology genie is out of the bottle and not going back in. We want to check their social media on a regular basis. But it’s mind numbing. It’s not fun. We want to be sitting down every few days or weekly and scrolling through and having them give us a tour of their TikTok or what they’re seeing and talk to them about it. But it’s just not very fun and we don’t want to do it. There’s a little bit of avoidance.VirginiaI already feel that way hearing my eight-year-old talk about Animal Crossing, so I can’t even imagine how I’ll feel when it’s TikTok.SigneYeah, it’s super boring. So let’s just say that out loud. In that chapter, we did use one of Sara’s interventions that she calls peer-to-peer peer agreements. I think we need to have parent-to-parent agreements, where we’re checking in with each other. Did you check your kid’s TikTok this week?The peer-to-peer agreements are really powerful, more so than what they might hear from a teacher or from a parent. It’s not uncommon for me to have a teenager in my caseload totally distraught because her friend was mad at her for not being on call at 2AM because she had a breakup. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes with social media, a lot of expectations. So maybe one of the agreement is we’re putting our phones away at 10PM, depending on the age. So that people know ahead of time and they don’t have unrealistic expectations for accessibility to each other. The other thing is, I’ve seen parents who are checking social media too often. It feels a little like dimming the kid’s light. It’s really different for everybody, but we need to be finding something that’s that sort of in the middle of being too strict or too loose with social media.VirginiaYou’ve talked about needing to respect to what kids are getting out of it, too. There’s the social piece and the creative expression that comes with social media. SigneI did an interview with a colleague and good friend of mine who is a registered Art Therapist. She talks a lot about how we really see our kids trying to express themselves creatively through social media, through music and dance. They’re looking for art, as well as creating it themselves. On one hand, that can be okay. On the other hand, we know that not all the images that they’re seeing are positive. What she says so eloquently is that social media is not meant to take to take the place of going to see art in real time or doing our own art. Over this last holiday, my mom was in town and she really had to push us out the door to go to the Museum of Modern Art in San Francisco. I didn’t really want to go, like the parking, you know. We ended up getting there and I’m so glad. We brought my daughter and one of the times we brought her friends, too. They didn’t love everything, but it’s good for them to get exposed to art in different ways than on an online platform.VirginiaIn a museum, there is still an audience for the art, but it’s a much different audience than when you’re only putting things on social media and thinking of art as something you make for the whole internet. It’s really powerful for kids to realize that art is something they can do just for themselves. I think that’s really helpful for parents who are trying to appreciate what kids are getting out of it. But also figuring out the self regulation piece and kind of helping them learn those tools. It’s a messy thing we have to keep muddling through.SigneAnd making sure that there’s plenty of time where we allow our kids to be bored, and not sort of swoop in and rescue them from the boredom. Having art supplies available and accessible would be great. I do want to mention, the ability to have art supplies, and to go see art, depending on where you are, can be a privilege. Nowadays, places like the dollar store have a lot better art supplies than they did 10 years ago. So there are ways to get it cheaper than you used to be able to, so that’s cool. I like the idea of making sure they have a fair amount of time just hanging out in their boredom and learning to tolerate it and giving them an opportunity to come up with their own creative and imaginative expression through their own art.Butter For Your Burnt ToastSigneSomething that I’ve been up to lately that I used to do in my 20s and 30s and I rediscovered it recently is collaging. What’s really cool about collaging is that I don’t have art skills. I don’t know how to draw, I don’t necessarily know how to paint. So collaging can be one of the least daunting forms of creative expression. What I like about it, too, is that you can use the catalogs that come in the mail to just kind of spend time cutting out images that inspire you, which can be really meditative. My colleague calls it visual journaling. It’s kind of cool because it can give your journaling a three dimensional quality. For teens that maybe don’t want to be writing in their journal because they’re afraid a parent might see it, journaling through art or visuals can be a way to express and get your dark thoughts out on paper so that they’re not staying private. Only you really know what the symbols and the metaphors mean in the art. So it’s something that I’ve been doing myself and I’ve also been doing with clients. It’s been really helpful. I have a couple of clients that I’m doing that with right now that struggle with unhealthy perfectionism. So just spending time cutting out images and doing collage in a way that you can’t really get it wrong teaches is a nice mindfulness practice. It helps them pace themselves. And lately, I’ve been making collage cards. Cards are pretty expensive, at least the ones that I really like. You can personalize a collage card for a birthday card and make it uniquely for somebody that you’re close to. It’s just a fun way to share your art.VirginiaI mean, I’m obsessed. I want to start collaging immediately. It sounds like a great thing to do with teenagers with younger kids. It’s something I also did for a while and sort of dropped. And now as you’re talking about it, I’m like, where did that go? I need to bring collaging back. That’s a wonderful idea.SigneIt’s a really fun thing to just get totally lost in.VirginiaWell, my Butter this week is a movie recommendation. It’s not a new movie, so probably most people have seen it. I think it came out one of the years I had a baby because the year you have a child, you’re kind of culturally illiterate. It’s Inside Out and I had a feeling you would be a fan, Signe. We just watched it with our kids a few weeks ago. It was so funny because our four-year-old was really resistant. She had a lot of feelings before we started, but then she was just mesmerized. I think she has watched eight times since then. I mean, we were all stuck in the house with COVID for two weeks. It’s been so cool because she is really using the tools from it. So for people who don’t know, the premise of inside out is that it’s this 11-year-old girl Riley, who’s going through some big life stuff. And the movie is narrated by the emotions in her head. So you see the sadness and joy and anger, and disgust and fear constantly narrating what’s happening to Riley and what’s happening within her head. Now when my four-year-old gets mad, she goes, “Oh, angry guy, you’re being so loud in my head right now.” It’s amazing because she’s labeling the emotions and it takes her down a notch. She’ll scream and be frustrated and then we can talk about what the angry guy is so angry about. So yeah, if you’re looking for a way to talk about feelings with kids in a super accessible way, it’s such a beautiful movie. SigneIt is so well done. My co-author, Shelley Aggarwal, MD, she’s an adolescent medicine doctor. We were just talking about Inside Out because in our friendship with body image chapter, we have this section on how it’s really normal for adolescents to over-identify with their peer groups. She was talking about how perfect the movie is to explain and show over-identification with a peer group. Diversifying our interests is a really great way to protect ourselves from body image dissatisfaction or eating issues. I’ve been talking about watching it with my daughter again.VirginiaI can see it being something we come back to throughout the years. You’ll get different things out of it. Right now the four-year-old loves angry guy,- and she loves the imaginary friend Bing Bong, because she has many imaginary friends. My eight-year-old is a little more close to the vest with feelings and she, I think, felt very seen by the movie. Like, oh, other people have all these big feelings inside them. That was so wonderful to see. SigneIt’s just a brilliant movie. That’s going to be our movie this week.VirginiaGood to hear. Well, Signe, tell listeners where they can find more of you.SigneSo the pre-order link for Raising Body Positive Teens: A Parent’s Guide to Diet-free Living, Exercise, and Body Image is now available. My website has a books tab and both books are there. VirginiaThank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it,Thanks so much for listening to Burnt Toast. Once again. If you’d like to support the show, please subscribe for free in your podcast player and tell a friend about this episode and consider a paid subscription to Burnt Toast. You get a ton of cool perks including next week’s bonus episode and you will keep this an ad- and sponsor-free space.The Burnt Toast Podcast is produced and hosted by me, Virginia Sole-Smith. 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This is part I of our double whammy holiday episodes. Part 2 will drop on Friday - that's only two days from now. Today we speak with Jane Isay. She is the author of the book Walking on Eggshells, Navigating the Delicate Relationships between Adult Children and Parents. She is a New Yorker from birth and gets right to the point.Have you had enough togetherness during the holidays? "Shut the door," she says. How about when the kids come home, how to make them happy? "Give them the keys!"And, wait until you hear what she said about her son who was Chief of Staff for Chuck Schumer's first senatorial campaign. And just as a hint - it references Al D'Amato!!!! But there is lots more. Jane's bio is extraordinary. She's been an editor for over forty years. She discovered Mary Pipher's Reviving Ophelia, commissioned Patricia O'Connor's bestselling Woe Is I and Rachel Simmons' s Odd Girl Out, and edited such nonfiction classics as Praying for Sheetrock and Friday Night Lights. And of course she's written several books of her own, including Walking on Eggshells and her latest Unconditional Love. Jane's son is Dave Isay, the founder of StoryCorps. Here is a link to an interview for TED Talks he did with his mother. We hope you laugh out loud with this episode and love Jane as much as we did.Thanks to Connie Gorant Fisher, our audio engineer.Visit our website at www.biteyourtonguepodcast.comSupport us:Buy us a coffee: LINK HEREBuy a mug: LINK HERESome deals for listeners:Denise's favorite shape-wear company. Denise particularly LOVES their best selling Truekind Daily Comfort Wireless Bra. "It holds you up and is so comfortable. I am hooked - truly," says Denise. Use this link and just put biteyourtongue (one word) in the CODE at checkout.Please stay engaged. Let us know how you like the episodes and also let us know what topics you'd like us to explore.And remember - sometimes you might just have to BITE YOUR TONGUE!
Andy and Alyssa read Goosebumps #56: The Curse of Camp Cold Lake. Along the way, they discuss suicidal ideation; water sports; buddy systems; body image; growing up awkward; snakes; inept camp counselors; motorboat accidents; haunted summer camps; Return to Sleepaway Camp; Lord of the Flies; putting kids in charge of other kids; female rivalry; Always Shine; Happy Death Day; being hated; American Horror Story; Rob Zombie's Halloween; Elephant; Columbine; suicide as revenge; Unfriended; Unfriend/Friend Request; Reviving Ophelia; Exit Plan; near-death experiences; Final Destination; Ghost Town; Flatliners; Heaven is for Real; exploitative Christian memes; drowning in horror; haunted lakes; Open Water; Lake Mungo; What Lies Beneath; “The Red Lodge”; Mean Little Deaf Queer; ghosts messing up relationships; A Tale of Two Sisters; The Body Keeps the Score (the book Andy couldn't remember); Ghost Story; The Only Good Indians; ghost stalkers; Daniel Isn't Real; The Shining; Paranormal Activity; the Buddi song; codependence; The Twilight Zone episode “Long Distance Call”; Crimson Peak; boundaries and attachment issues; “out of the frying pan, into the fire” stories; & what's up with GooseGhosts. // Music by Haunted Corpse // Follow @saypodanddie on Twitter and Instagram, and get in touch at saypodanddie@gmail.com
Welcome back, Feelers. We're going on a desert trek through the teen years when Meghan gets shipped off to bad-kid camp and Julie contemplates sending her little children to a scared-straight program before it's too late. Tuck in while we get after teen topics, ABC Afterschool Special-style. It could get awkward.Read along in Minor: Volume One – The Journals of Meghan McDonnellPlaylist on SpotifyFollow us on InstagramEmail us at thefeelingspodcast@gmail.comThe Feelings (buzzsprout.com)Music: “When it All Falls” by Ketsa* All names and identifying characteristics have been changed to protect identities. We have solely recorded our interpretations and opinions of all events. Certain place names have been changed.
A reading from Mary Pipher’s 1994 book, “Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls.” Buy the book here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001VCHPYA/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_i_hQFGFb3W306ZG Any comments, or suggestions for readings I should make in later episodes, can be emailed to humanvoiceswakeus1@gmail.com. I assume that the small amount of work presented in each episode constitutes fair use. Publishers, authors, or other copyright holders who would prefer to not have their work presented here can also email me at humanvoiceswakeus1@gmail.com, and I will remove the episode immediately.
Kara Lynn Joyce: How to Trust Yourself, Episode #81September 15, 2020Taking the time to listen to your inner voice can lead you to the best, most authentic decisions. Olympic swimmer Kara Lynn Joyce talks with Kelly and Maria about how she avoids a “people pleasing” mentality to truly follow her heart.More about Kara Lynn JoyceKara Lynn Joyce is a three-time USA Olympic swimmer. Kara competed in the 2004, 2008 and 2012 Olympics for Team USA, winning a total of four medals. As a swimmer for the University of Georgia under Coach Jack Bauerle, Joyce won 18 NCAA titles and set the American Record in the 50-yard and 50-meter freestyle.Her Olympic journey has been captured in the beautiful and inspirational film, "Touch the Wall”, which has been screened globally in theaters and is available on Amazon Prime. In 2017, Kara founded the LEAD Sports Summit for teenage girl athletes which connects female athletes with accomplished women in sports. In a few short years, the initiative has grown from a yearly event to an online community and academy. The LEAD Sports Academy is a home base for teenage girl athletes, parents and coaches. It offers comprehensive online courses in leadership, confidence, sports psychology and more. Episode Topics and MentionsJack BaureleLEAD Sports AcademyTouch The Wall - filmDenver, ColoradoMadisyn CoxElizabeth BeiselMissy FranklinJason LezakWhy We Sleep by Matthew Walker, Ph.D.Reviving Ophelia by Mary PipherThe Power of When by Michael Breus, Ph.D.Archetypes of sleepPerseveranceMeditationThe importance of trusting your gutThe Price is RightTakeawaysKellyPlay the long game. Do not expect to be an overnight success at anything. If something matters enough, tap into the “why” and keep going.Don’t worry about pleasing others. Find confidence in yourself and forget about what others think.MariaTrust your gut. Take the time to think about how you feel about something. If it doesn’t feel right, don’t do it. Find a way to “meditate” every day -- wherever or however you do it. Walking, deep breathing and getting outside in nature can facilitate this.Quote of the Week“Perseverance is so important. It means playing the long game.” -- Kara Lynn JoyceSubscribe to the Champion's Mojo podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Google Play. Have something you want to share with us? Email it to hello@championsmojo.com.
This week Brooke and Grant are challenging all kinds of assumptions—starting with unpacking books we’ve read that have challenged our own assumptions, and then with this week’s guest, Mary Pipher. Pipher, the best-selling author of Reviving Ophelia and Women Rowing North, gives us her take on ageism, “moral imagination,” and how and why she writes “for the reader, for the world.”
Sara Gilliam, award winning writer and co-author of Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls, joins Signe on Therapy Rocks! to talk about being the original "Ophelia," the trends of adolescent girls mental health over a 25 year span, and gives us some tips for helping our youth navigate social media. Sara has teamed up with her mother, bestselling nonfiction author Mary Pipher, to revisit Pipher’s American classic Reviving Ophelia with the 25th Anniversary Edition, published with Penguin less than a year ago.
Join host Elise Marquam Jahns and guest Mary Pipher - NY Times number one bestselling author of "Reviving Ophelia" and author of her most recent book, "Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age". Mary graduated in Cultural Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley and received her Ph.D. from the University of Nebraska in Clinical Psychology thereafter. She was a Rockefeller Scholar in Residence at Bellagio and has received two American Psychological Association Presidential Citations. Mary was born in the Ozarks and grew up in rural Nebraska. As a girl she liked reading, writing, swimming, being outdoors and talking to her friends and family. She still enjoys these activities to this day. Pipher is the author of 10 books and is a community organizer and activist for many causes - living in Nebraska with her husband Jim. Learning Well is sponsored by the Integrative Health Education Center of Normandale Community College. Thank you for your interest in the Edge! Please go to edgemagazine.net to view the latest issue of the Edge. For information on advertising in the Edge please contact Cathy Jacobsen at 763.433.9291. Or via email at Cathy@edgemagazine.net For article submission please contact Tim Miejan at 651.578.8969. Or via email at editor@edgemagazine.net And for further information regarding the Edge Talk Radio contact Cathryn Taylor at 612.710.7720 or via email at Cathryn@EFTForYourInnerChild.com
In which Dan interviews Sara Gilliam, co-author of the new edition of 'Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls'. Dan and Sara discuss the differences between adolescent girls in the 90s and now (5:15), over scheduling (14:00), how girls view school (23:30), and the effects of school shootings on teen girls (30:00). As always, we welcome comments and questions on Twitter @BigIdeaEd. Music today from Valencia Bey via Tribe of Noise.
Psychologist Mary Pipher and her daughter Sara Pipher Gilliam help us understand today's young women - and our own upbringing - in the book Reviving Ophelia. First written 25 years ago, Mary brings her daughter into the fold on this brilliant revision and NY Times Bestseller. And, Nan DeGroat share her personal transformation and offers a path for those on a healthy journey. Thanks for listening!
When Mary Pipher first published Reviving Ophelia in 1994, she changed the way America thinks about teenage girls and their needs. Now she’s back with a new 25th anniversary edition of her landmark book—this time, published with her own daughter, Sara Pipher Gilliam. From student debt to school shootings to climate change to digital culture, a lot has changed for teen girls in the past 25 years. But many things remain the same: body image issues, anxiety, sexual harassment and abuse. We sat down with Pipher (who you may remember from the spring, when she came on to discuss [women, friendship, and aging](link to ep)) and Gilliam to talk about what teen girls experience today, what it was like to write a book together, and why it matters so much for all of us that we change our “girl-poisoning culture.” There’s a strange way in which girls today are never together and never alone. And so the primary building blocks of self—which is to be interacting face-to-face with other people and to be alone reflecting and developing one’s own inner strength—those aren’t occurring right now. Mary Pipher, co-author of Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls, 25th Anniversary Edition We chat about: How the culture we remember as teen girls in the ‘90s is so very different for teens today Why depression among teen girls has gone up and down over the years, where it stands now, and what social media has to do with it How Sara Gilliam went from reading her mom’s book for teen authenticity 25 years ago to co-authoring the update with her as an adult The ways today’s teen girls helped update Reviving Ophelia for modern times How it’s too late for parents and teachers to simply tell teens to stop using smartphones, so it’s important to encourage intentionality around social media and device usage instead Links: Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition Mary Pipher Sara Pipher Gilliam Plus: Why we simply had to get our driver’s licenses immediately Exploring the love/hate relationship we had with our early jobs Why you need to wear at least two hemp necklaces for school pictures Fuck yeah to naps and Netflix breaks during the day
This episode looks closely at today's adolescent girls. Guests, Dr. Mary Pipher and Sara Pipher Gilliam draw upon their new updated version of Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescents Girls, to compare the teenage girls of the 1990's with the middle though high school girls of today. Using Focus Groups of girls and mothers, interviews with teachers and guidance counselors, the latest research, as well as feedback from today's girls on the original book, they consider what challenges, needs, perils and joys have changed and what have remained the same. They will answer -How do developmental givens interface with social and cultural changes? What is the impact of social media, school shootings, and sleeping with cell phones? How have the girls of today embraced gender fluidity, racial diversity and the #metoo movement. Overall, they invite us to understand and celebrate the emerging selves and precious gifts of our adolescent girls.
Grandmothers on the Move Episode 34 - Mary Pipher, Author of Reviving Ophelia and her newest book Women Rowing North - Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing as We Age. A profound and transformative book...I was enlightened, deeply moved and couldn't put it down. It's one of those books you want everyone you love to read right away! As Mary says in this interview "I want readers to understand that this life stage is not solely defined by diminishment but also by great spiritual and emotional growth". Mary shares deep insights about building resilience, crafting resplendent narratives, forming intimate relationships, and Grandmotherhood... this book is a real gift to us all. Distilled wisdom and beauty.
Older women are the happiest demographic in this country—but you wouldn’t know it based on how our culture talks about them. Mary Pipher, author of _Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age, joins us to set the record straight. If you’re a woman, you’ve probably internalized a million messages about the horrors of getting older: changing bodies, diminished careers, invisibility everywhere. But Mary Pipher wants you to know there’s more to aging than gray hair—there’s also incredible resilience, growth, and even bliss. And the more we build those skills now, the better off we’ll all be. “It’s in everybody's benefit, not just older people’s benefit, to have a new way of redefining older people that is not in terms of loss and diminishment, but in terms of growth.” —Mary Pipher, author of Women Rowing North Whatever life stage you’re in, this interview will speak to you—promise. We talk about: Why ageism is probably a bigger problem for older women than agin. The resilience of older people—and how all of us can bump up our resilience skills now. Why “friendshipping is a verb”—and why building lifetime friendships is “an emotional and mental health insurance policy” for women. Finding gratefulness and joy, even when things are tough. How to transcend our former selves, so we don’t just adapt as we age, but actually savor changes. Handling loss and the power of being with loved ones in their final days. What’s next for Mary: a 25th anniversary edition of her groundbreaking book, Reviving Ophelia, which changed the way we look at adolescent girls. Plus: On our way to a 50-year friendship, caftans on the beach, and why every book needs a launch party with a book cake. (Author photo by Sarah Greder) Links: Mary Pipher Books: Women Rowing North, out now, and the 25th anniversary edition of Reviving Ophelia, out in June The happiness of older women
In the first half hour Patricia interviews Lynn Andrews, bestselling author. She has studied with shamanic women on four continents for more than thirty years. She shares her ancient teachings in her more than 20 books, including the Medicine Woman. Lynn's most recent work, 'The Sacred Vision Oracle. Lynn will discuss The Power Deck; Cards of Wisdom, and how to use the cards to build self esteem and foster empowerment. In the second half Patrica interviews Mary Pipher. Mary is the author of 10 books including her number one New York Times bestseller Reviving Ophelia and her most recent, Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age. Pipher will discuss Women Rowing North, a timely examination of the cultural and developmental issues women face as they age. Drawing on her own experience as daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, and caregiver she explores ways women can cultivate resilient responses to the challenges they face.
In the first half hour Patricia interviews Lynn Andrews, bestselling author. She has studied with shamanic women on four continents for more than thirty years. She shares her ancient teachings in her more than 20 books, including the Medicine Woman. Lynn's most recent work, 'The Sacred Vision Oracle. Lynn will discuss The Power Deck; Cards of Wisdom, and how to use the cards to build self esteem and foster empowerment. In the second half Patrica interviews Mary Pipher. Mary is the author of 10 books including her number one New York Times bestseller Reviving Ophelia and her most recent, Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age. Pipher will discuss Women Rowing North, a timely examination of the cultural and developmental issues women face as they age. Drawing on her own experience as daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, and caregiver she explores ways women can cultivate resilient responses to the challenges they face.
In the first half hour Patricia interviews Lynn Andrews, bestselling author. She has studied with shamanic women on four continents for more than thirty years. She shares her ancient teachings in her more than 20 books, including the Medicine Woman. Lynn's most recent work, 'The Sacred Vision Oracle. Lynn will discuss The Power Deck; Cards of Wisdom, and how to use the cards to build self esteem and foster empowerment. In the second half Patrica interviews Mary Pipher. Mary is the author of 10 books including her number one New York Times bestseller Reviving Ophelia and her most recent, Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age. Pipher will discuss Women Rowing North, a timely examination of the cultural and developmental issues women face as they age. Drawing on her own experience as daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, and caregiver she explores ways women can cultivate resilient responses to the challenges they face.
In the first half hour Patricia interviews Lynn Andrews, bestselling author. She has studied with shamanic women on four continents for more than thirty years. She shares her ancient teachings in her more than 20 books, including the Medicine Woman. Lynn's most recent work, 'The Sacred Vision Oracle. Lynn will discuss The Power Deck; Cards of Wisdom, and how to use the cards to build self esteem and foster empowerment. In the second half Patrica interviews Mary Pipher. Mary is the author of 10 books including her number one New York Times bestseller Reviving Ophelia and her most recent, Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age. Pipher will discuss Women Rowing North, a timely examination of the cultural and developmental issues women face as they age. Drawing on her own experience as daughter, sister, mother, grandmother, and caregiver she explores ways women can cultivate resilient responses to the challenges they face.
"I realized that the cultural scripts about older women, first of all, they are often misogynistic, but there are also primarily scripts where are defined by what we no longer have...The real story is this life stage is catalytic for growth. It's a walking into a portal where we have so much opportunity to develop our moral imaginations. our deep sense of gratitude for life, our sense for deep time in the long view, our own authenticity and self-acceptance. So that's what I wanted to do...I wanted to write about what I was actually seeing and experiencing with women my age." -Mary Pipher How can we age gracefully in the world today? And, more importantly, how can we age with dignity? I think a lot about these questions, which is why I’m so elated that I recently got to speak with Mary Pipher, the author of “Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing as We Age.” Mary wrote one of the preeminent books for teenage girls back in 1994 called “Reviving Ophelia.” Her new book, in her words, is a bookend that provides perspective and wisdom about what it means to be a woman later in life. Mary called me from her home base in Nebraska to talk about aging, the stereotypes surrounding it, and about how we can find more happiness and meaning as we get older. I love what she has to say, and I can’t wait for you to listen. If you’re looking for more inspiration and words of wisdom, then please sign up for my free weekly email newsletter - The Sunday Paper. Visit website mariashriver.com to subscribe.
Her groundbreaking book, Reviving Ophelia, psychologist Mary Pipher changed the way we looked at girls and adolescence. Now, with her 10th book, she is doing for aging what she did for adolescence, providing a wise and heartfelt guide to happiness in later life. Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age provides an engaging and uplifting examination of how to thrive in life’s later stages and how the struggles we face can help us become the people we’ve always wanted to be. In this episode you’ll learn: How the end years of life can be the happiest time The role of humor and gratitude in later life Why mercy is a valuable quality to develop
From Mary Pipher, bestselling author of Reviving Ophelia, we now get Women Rowing North, a guide to wisdom and authenticity for women as they age. Cultural therapist Pipher, age 71, understands how women growing older contend with ageism, misogyny, grief, and loss. Yet her message is clear and hopeful: most older women are deeply happy and filled with gratitude for the gifts of life. Their very struggles help them let go of stereotypes and grow into authentic, wise, and empathetic women. Pipher's own life and her many roles have schooled her in ways women can cultivate resilient responses to their challenges. "If we can keep our wits about us," she writes, "we will experience a joyous time of our lives. If we have planned carefully and properly, if we have good maps and guides, the journey can be transcendent." 00:15 Intro to Mary Pipher, author of Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing as We Age 00:50 Other books by Pipher: Reviving Ophelia, The Shelter of Each Other, and Another Country 01:45 Chooses the metaphor of “rowing north” as a bookend to Reviving Ophelia 02:20 Younger and older women all live with cultural stereotypes and scripts 03:30 What does it mean to be old? 04:00 All of Pipher’s books stem from a deep curiosity about her own life 04:20 “Young" old age” vs. “old" old age 05:40 Women 65-75 are the happiest people in America 06:15 Most women deny being old in order to distance selves from cultural script and stories 07:20 Older women tend to be social connectors and experience a time of tremendous growth 08:00 Age can be a source of happiness, bliss, and satisfaction 08:30 Choosing happiness—a skill set often found among women in 70s 10:30 Jane Jarvis, musical prodigy (pianist), had everything she needed to be happy right between her ears 12:00 Age brings changes in body image, social invisibility, and loss of abilities 12:45 How women can reclaim their power 13:00 Story of Michelle Obama’s mother coming to live in the White House 13:45 Exploding the tired, old mother-in-law myth 14:45 "Solutions can’t be legislated; they come from the human heart." 15:15 Female friends give women power and support 15:45 Older women can rescue themselves using decades of practice fighting back against negative messaging 17:00 The power of saying “No” (walking out of any situation we don’t want to be in) 17:45 The power of saying “Yes” (instead of stilling the inner voice) 18:15 Taught to be “good girls” instead of learning to take care of ourselves 19:30 Finding a healthy approach to caregiving, which is very hard work 21:10 Contradictory research on caregiving 21:40 Caregivers need respite and creative strategies for bringing friends into the home 23:50 Keeping connections as lifelines 24:50 True secret of happiness is managing expectations 25:30 Defining happiness on your own terms 26:50 Old age is catalytic for growth 27:00 Suffering increases capacity for bliss, gratitude, empathy, moral imagination, and authenticity 28:30 Stories of resilience, gratitude, and perspective 30:40 How to lean into lessons of suffering without denial 31:20 Taking a gentle approach to our own pain and suffering 31:50 “All of us keep so many appointments we did not make, but we always have choices about how to reframe those experiences.” 32:00 Crafting resplendent narratives: we can’t have a better history, but we can have a better story 32:30 Older women tend to joke around very well and unselfconscious about their bodies 34:20 Time (the most valuable resource of all) = wealth 35:50 Many older women happy because, for the first time in their lives, they can do what they want with their time 36:50 Women becoming intentional moral storytellers for their families 41:00 A great gift of old age: the long view of family and a lifetime 41:55 Blessing of old age: the freedom to be honest 43:30 Small things can bring enormous joy 44:15 Book contains discussions of death, loneliness, and more 44:50 Recommendation: The Trip to Bountiful (1985 movie) BUY Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age MORE BOOKS BY MARY PIPHER BUY Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls BUY The Shelter of Each Other BUY Another Country: Navigating the Emotional Terrain of Our Elders RECOMMENDATION BUY The Trip To Bountiful (movie) Connect with us on social media! Facebook Instagram Twitter YouTube Special thanks… Music Credit Sound Editing Credit
We've been asked lots of questions about homeschooling, from how to determine if it's the right choice to what types of curriculum to follow. If you've been considering homeschooling for your family, this episode is for you! "It's not our job to toughen our children up to face a cruel and heartless world, it's our job to raise children who will make the world a little less cruel and heartless." - L. R. Nost There are many reasons why families choose to homeschool varying from lifestyle choices, to learning differences. No matter your reason for wanting to explore and understand your homeschooling options, there are many resources and types of support available to you. In this episode, we share our experiences and knowledge from years of homeschooling and homeschool teaching to help you understand your options and determine if this is the best path for your family. We cover everything from reasons why families consider homeschooling to how to find and choose your curriculum, and share from our hearts and experiences how we have seen homeschooling impact our children and families as well as the many other children and families we've seen over the years. There is not one, but many ways to approach homeschooling, and only you will know what is best for your family. Listen in to hear our stories. We hope you will find inspiration for your own journey. Resources from This Episode: John Taylor Gatto, Dumbing Us Down: https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ John Holt: https://www.johnholtgws.com/ David Colfax, Homeschooling for Excellence: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/725228.Homeschooling_for_Excellence Julie Bogart: http://blog.bravewriter.com/ Thomas J. Cottle, A Sense of Self: http://thomascottle.com/ Dr. Gordon Neufeld, Hold Onto Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/106744.Hold_On_to_Your_Kids Mary Pipher, Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/159760.Reviving_Ophelia
In Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Our Adolescent Girls, Dr. Mary Pipher shares how our American culture is impacting our adolescent girls. Dr. Pipher gives various vignettes from teen girls who struggle with body image, to social pressure, to depression, anxiety and more. She explores what it looks like from the inside of an adolescents girl’s world and asks some thought provoking questions. Dr. Pipher has a chapter for mothers, fathers, family systems and divorce. She talks about some questions she would ask her adolescent girls to journal about in hopes of them discovering more about themselves vs splitting off from their authentic self. Even though this book was written in 1990, it is still relevant in what adolescent girls struggle with today.
Dr. Julie Krull and Dr. Mary Pipher discuss 'The Green Boat', how to heal ourselves and much more on this episode of All Things Connected.
Mary Pipher is a clinical psychologist whose area of expertise is how contemporary US culture influences the mental health of its citizens. She is the author of the New York Times bestselling book Reviving Ophelia, and recently contributed to the Sounds True anthology Darkness Before Dawn: Redefining the Journey Through Depression. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Mary and Tami Simon discuss the connection between despair and a lack of trust, as well as how personal writing can be a panacea for hopelessness. Mary also shares advice for journeyman therapists who are dealing with clients buried deep in their own despair. Finally, Mary and Tami talk about how despair can crack the heart wide open. (52 minutes)
Psychologist Mary Pipher, already known for her 1994 award-winning book "Reviving Ophelia", which examined the effects of societal pressures on adolescent girls, has a new book called "The Middle of Everywhere: The World's Refugees Come to Our Town". The town is Lincoln, Nebraska, an official refugee re-settlement community. Pipher talks about the experience of refugees in Middle-America in a post-September 11 world. (Original show aired June 2002)
Psychologist Mary Pipher, already known for her 1994 award-winning book "Reviving Ophelia", which examined the effects of societal pressures on adolescent girls, has a new book called "The Middle of Everywhere: The World's Refugees Come to Our Town". The town is Lincoln, Nebraska, an official refugee re-settlement community. Pipher talks about the experience of refugees in Middle-America in a post-September 11 world. (Original show aired June 2002)
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