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What an honor and a joy it was to talk with Rachel Bellwoar, an extremely talented writer and pop culture enthusiast whose work I've enjoyed discovering over the years. Thanks to many mutual cinephile friends and podcasters, we crossed paths in the world of Facebook and I couldn't be more thrilled to have her on the show to talk about an underappreciated British director, Jack Clayton!Pauline Kael praised The Innocents as "one of the most elegantly beautiful ghost movies ever made” and rightfully so. We also talk about the majority of his work since his filmography was surprisingly on the lower end. Of course we sing the praises of his renowned gothic horror masterpiece but along the way, we discover a few other works of his that we highly recommend seeking out too. Thank you Rachel for coming on the show and looking forward to a future appearance.Just a heads up that I'll be taking a short summer break from podcasting starting in late May, hopefully returning in August. There may be a couple of surprise episodes popping up but I'll be moving and working on other projects for a bit. Stay tuned for the first week of May for an exciting episode before the hiatus featuring Marya Gates and Ryan McNeil, returning to talk about Martha Coolidge!00:00 - 08:47 - Introduction08:48 - 01:02:05 - Room At The Top / The Innocents01:02:06 - 01:33:10 - The Pumpkin Eater / Our Mother's House01:33:10 - 02:03:50 - Other Clayton Films / OutroFollow Rachel's Work:https://rbellwoar.wordpress.comhttps://bsky.app/profile/ziggystarlog.bsky.socialDirector's Club is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Director's Club at directorsclub.substack.com/subscribe
On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former Pro Bowl cornerback Ryan McNeil joins Roman and Peanut. Ryan talks about playing at the University of Miami under Jimmy Johnson and then learning how to silence his ego and embrace the process as a rookie playing for the Detroit Lions. He also shares how he negotiated his rookie contract, why he approached his career from a business mindset, and where his passion for entrepreneurship comes from. Ryan explains how he built his sports-technology company SportsID does and how it helps parents to navigate the sports space. The NFL Players: Second Acts podcast is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeart Media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former Pro Bowl cornerback Ryan McNeil joins Roman and Peanut. Ryan talks about playing at the University of Miami under Jimmy Johnson and then learning how to silence his ego and embrace the process as a rookie playing for the Detroit Lions. He also shares how he negotiated his rookie contract, why he approached his career from a business mindset, and where his passion for entrepreneurship comes from. Ryan explains how he built his sports-technology company SportsID does and how it helps parents to navigate the sports space. The NFL Players: Second Acts podcast is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeart Media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former Pro Bowl cornerback Ryan McNeil joins Roman and Peanut. Ryan talks about playing at the University of Miami under Jimmy Johnson and then learning how to silence his ego and embrace the process as a rookie playing for the Detroit Lions. He also shares how he negotiated his rookie contract, why he approached his career from a business mindset, and where his passion for entrepreneurship comes from. Ryan explains how he built his sports-technology company SportsID does and how it helps parents to navigate the sports space. The NFL Players: Second Acts podcast is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeart Media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week on the pod jD and Matt discuss some U2 trivia before ceding the floor to Thomas and returning guest, Ryan McNeil. Transcript: Track 3:[0:28] Ryan McNeil. And now, curator of the Hall, J.D.Track 3:[0:39] Thank you so much, Doug Dines. It is great to be back here in the SNL Hall of Fame at the SNL Hall of Fame podcast. My name is J.D., and I would love to welcome you in, but my goodness, this fall season has made your shoes all mucky-muck. Give them a wipe, won't ya? The SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair where each episode we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest, or writer, and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity in the hall. And that's how we play the game. It's just that simple.Track 3:[1:36] You listen. You vote. You listen again. You complain. We've got a spot for that now. That's the SNL Hall of Fame water cooler, which is going to appear in your feed every Thursday. Day and it's going to be discussing that week's episode in a little more critical focus and view inside the context of the hall so we hope you'll enjoy that send us an email snl8 the snl hof.Track 3:[2:14] At gmail.com, So there's that. This week we have a great show. My friend Ryan McNeil is joining us. He is a multi-time guest on the show. Tends to focus on music and he is doing that once again talking about U2, nominating U2. So that should be interesting to hear. If you enjoy what you hear, please follow him at thematinee.ca. That's his blog, his movie-loving blog, and there is the podcast of the same name. Let's find our friend Matt Ardill and see what he has to say, that son of a gun. Matt!Track 4:[2:59] Diddy. You too. What do you got?Track 4:[3:04] Yeah, I mean, they're from Ireland. I think that was obvious by like two seconds of listening to them. They formed in 1976. They were formed by Larry Mullen Jr. Posted a note on his school notice board for musicians starting as a seven piece called Feedback. Uh then they started whittling away and became hype and then eventually got down to uh the lineup we know larry mullen jr bono the edge and adam clayton becoming you too now bono's real name is paul david hewson the edge's real name is david howell evans um and they're they how they got got their nicknames or kind of internet edge got his nickname from the shape of his face uh so um it's it's he's edgy um larry and adam also have nicknames which you don't often see uh larry's being yeah jam jar uh that's what they like to call him um and adam was mrs burns um i mean it's It's clear that these are names that that are given in jest because Bono's actual full nickname came from an abbreviation like Bono came from an abbreviation of his full nickname, which is Bono Vox of O'Connell Street.Track 4:[4:30] Really? Yeah, I, you know, the Irish, we're a mystery. Um now he's inspired by everything from uh Brian Eno or they are inspired by from everything from Brian Eno to Thin Lizzy to Joy Division and the Beatles um to say their their their inspirations are diverse.Track 4:[4:52] Understatement um now they kind of broke big by winning a saint patrick's day talent show in limerick in 1978 they won 500 pounds and studio time which resulted in the demo they gave to cbs records in ireland um their first release was an ep entitled three which was released only in ireland um they are very charitably minded um including amnesty international make poverty history the one campaign live aid live eight data uh music rising and goodness knows how many more charities um they are the fourth band on the cover of time magazine the others being the beatles the band and the who um so they're the only one without company yeah pretty good company and the only one without the in their name so uh that makes them unique but yeah i mean like what what other band like those are three of the best bands of all time so can't complain they're actually one of the few bands though that turned down doing a uh by john peel um get out of here Yeah, John Peele's like, no, no, I don't like them.Track 4:[6:12] Oh, they were turned down by Peele. Yeah, Peele's just like, no, I don't want to do it. The UK Tastemaker was one of the few big hits he refused.Track 4:[6:22] The others being The Police and Dire Straits. Peele shrugged it off in the not a fan category.Track 4:[6:32] Basically, just didn't like them. So they are a bit polarizing. I have an ex-wife who hated U2. So, yeah. They're the only Irish band to win a Grammy for Album of the Year. They hold the record for the most Grammys won by one band at 22. They went on to do a 40-night residency at the Las Vegas Globe, filling the 160-square-foot venue. I have to correct you. Sorry. The Sphere. Sphere? The Sphere. Okay. Yes. The Sphere. The Sphere. Okay, let's go back. No, no. they didn't just leave it let's just leave that yeah okay um they they sold 281 000 tickets uh making 109.8 million dollars get out of here yeah uh they they don't need any money they're doing fine um now apple they aren't without controversy aside from my ex-wife um apple Apple pushed their album, Songs of Innocence, with no way to remove it, which pissed people off so much. Apple had to develop a special program to remove the album after it was pushed to devices without permission.Track 4:[7:59] But in 2005, they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and have also received a Kennedy Center Honor in 2022. 22 she was very well decorated yeah so they are a band with uh the credits to to get in pretty much anywhere they want so will they get one more accolade this season in the much maligned musical guest category matt uh i don't know i don't know they are certainly friends of the show and uh they they pack a ton of credibility as far as having a worldwide band in 8h you know pretty neat kind of thing um what do you say we head downstairs, can't wait let's give it all right thomas take it away.Track 2:[9:25] Yes, JD and Matt, thank you so, so much. Today's an exciting day here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I'm going to be talking about a band that I absolutely love. Arguably, at their peak, the biggest band in the world. I'm not even sure how arguable that is. I think they were the biggest band in the world. And joining me to talk all things U2 and SNL, back for what I like to call another edition of Ryan's Music Corner here on the SNL Hall of Fame. That's kind of what I've pigeonholed him as, but like awesome musical guests. So without further ado, I want to welcome Ryan McNeil to the podcast. Ryan, what's up, my man? You know what? I just keep on trying to get one of these bands into the hall. I also just selfishly love coming by to just talk about my favorite bands. Come on back next time, kids, while I talk about Jack White.Track 2:[10:23] We're just going through the list. You know, I'm basically getting to talk about all of my favorite acts. And I'm sure there are legions of people who have met me over the course of my life who cannot believe that you gents have given me a soapbox to talk about you two. There are whole swaths of people that are saying, in the long list of bad ideas, this is a very bad idea. Oh boy, here we go. oh, yeah, that's how I can get with a lot of my favorite bands as well. You just pull the cord and then watch us go.Track 2:[10:55] It's shutting me up. That's the hard part. Yeah. Our Dave Grohl episode was a little like that, which was one of my favorite episodes that I've done. This is now the fifth season that I've been doing these conversations. And our Dave Grohl episode was still one of my favorite episodes. So I think we can handle this one. Nice. Can't wait. Yeah, me too. Before we get to that, though, you have a podcast that I love, a movie podcast, The Matinee Cast. So, man, what's been happening over on your pod? We just wrapped up a season. My seasons end in August because September for film is a little weird. So I usually just take the month to kind of reset. And I send a postcard from TIFF, which happens in Toronto the week after Labor Day. So there would have been a TIFF postcard that went out about what we saw, what the week was like, what the festival was like. And then we get ready in October for a whole new season. and I've lost count of how many seasons. I guess this would be, oh shit, this would be our 15th season actually. No kidding. Yeah. That's impressive. I'm a senior citizen when it comes to podcasting.Track 2:[12:02] I was telling Darren Patterson was on with me recently for Garrett Morrison. He does the SNL Nerds podcast and he was saying they're on their 300th episode. I'm like, you realize that most podcasts go to like four or five episodes and then quit? Yeah. So this is like, that's really impressive, man. If you hit double digits, you're doing muscle. So I, the, one of the things that keeps me going is I only do them every other week. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's true. That's only spread. Yeah. Spreading that out. Uh, so will you be covering the Saturday night movie in October?Track 2:[12:32] Good question. Uh, in the past, yes, yes, I would have been, but Tiff for me, uh, around 2016, I changed my approach actually to the, to the Toronto international film festival. And that was the first year where I was really limited to what I could see. I had a very shortened window that year, so I needed to pare things down. And I started that year only going to see the films at TIFF that were directed by women, which cut a big chunk out of the festival and really made it easier to choose how many films I was going to see. And I had such a great time that year. It really kind of gave me a new lane in the festival that I just stayed in that lane. So ordinarily, I would be. Uh, I've seen several Jason Reitman films at the film festival. He kind of loves going there. Um, and I, I love a lot of how Saturday night looks, uh, but I, you know, rules are rules. So, uh, no, so not at the festival, but I will be seeing it. Uh, and then on the podcast, I'm sure we'll be covering it. Yeah. I might, I might, I might have to bring in JD to talk about that one. So yeah, Saturday night movies coming out in October, October 11th, I believe. So I'm, I'm pumped about that. So I can't wait to hear if you have an episode about that. I can't wait to hear your thoughts.Track 2:[13:48] I'm looking forward to it, for sure. Yeah, for sure. So a few months ago, you and I were talking about what other bands we could cover here on the SNL Hall of Fame. No offense, if my other guests are listening to this, Ryan, with the musical guest, does get special treatment, I suppose, and kind of picking his brain about, so what other bands would you want to talk about? And you brought up U2 pretty immediately and excitedly. So what does U2 as a music fan, Ryan, mean to you?Track 2:[14:19] U2 is my band. And it's a strange thing to say that because I realize how many people in the world really don't like U2. There's a lot of people who love them. You know, they're still packing thousands to their concerts all over the world, including, you know, sometimes when they're just doing a Las Vegas show for a few months. Uh but there's a lot of people who hate them a lot of people who think they're overexposed their music is boring that they're still mad at them for putting music on their ipod um but i when i was.Track 2:[14:55] 13 14 years old started listening to their songs and they spoke to me and i have never really let go of them it's it's an interesting feeling now because it kind of they're not what interests me from day to day i i latch more onto bands like the national and uh kendrick lamar and saint vincent and bands like that um but you two always feels like going home um so even watching a lot of these performances were songs that i haven't actually played in some time but i know every word to so they they are my favorite band ever uh they always will be uh they're they're are confounding at times but i i love the holy heck out of them yeah yeah i love them too and i'm that way my favorite band is radiohead and i'm that way with radiohead because i don't go and listen to radiohead every single day i can go a long time without listening to radiohead but when i decide to put okay computer on it's like i'm coming back home man like the warm and fuzzies and everything so i can see that uh for sure about you too um i i've loved them um probably Probably more so in the last 15 years or so. But even when I was a kid growing up, like the Joshua Tree, I was so familiar with that album, Octoon Baby.Track 2:[16:12] So they've been a part of my life. Like they've just been ever present since I've known what music was. Would you agree? I mean, there was a time when they were the biggest, like the biggest band in the world, right? Oh, absolutely. They kind of, it was interesting because, yes, is the short answer. Yes, and to, you know, to honor SNL. Yes, and they kept trying to get the belt back.Track 2:[16:37] And we'll talk about that when we start talking about their performances. But what's interesting is right now, if you ask me for cash and prizes, who is the biggest band in the world? I legit do not know. The biggest band in the world is probably a solo act of some sort that I cannot think of a group of individuals that I would say is the biggest band in the world. I know who the biggest artist is, but like band, you're right. I couldn't name the biggest band. Yeah. And, you know, there was this lineage for a while of bands like U2 and Guns N' Roses and Oasis and, you know, and so on and so forth. Coldplay for a while, Radiohead for sure, that were, you know, capital letters, the biggest band in the world. I don't know who it is now, but yeah, U2, they've had this up and down career. It's strange to say that when you consider how omnipresent they are, but they have had these wild fluctuations in their career where people either really love what they're doing and identify with it or cannot stand it and completely reject it. And it's no in between. Yeah, I know someone who rejects U2 almost because she says that Bono, well-intended with his community service and world – essentially world service pursuits, comes off as a bit – Preachy. Preachy, yeah. Self-importance. Exactly.Track 2:[18:01] So she says that in a wrong way, but – Yeah. I say this as a fan, the band would probably be more successful if Bono wasn't working on his humanitarian stuff as much as he is. Yeah, so I know that's a critique. Before we get into their SNL stuff too, you saw them at the Sphere in Vegas. I did. And I think our listeners need just a quick review of the show that you saw, man. I went with my best friend of 35 years, who is also a big U2 fan. It was his idea. And we really didn't know what we were getting into. We were able to get tickets on the floor, which was in classic U2 style, were the cheapest seats in the house. It's like, if you want to stand on the floor, we are more than happy to have you and you can get in for less. And what is trippy about that room i say this to everybody who's listening if your band plays that venue go like pull the money out of savings and go because that room is has to be seen to be believed it's the size of a basketball arena but built for art so the problem with a basketball with any kind of venue that you see a band in is you're watching a place that's designed for sports and television, not music. Sound is not even secondary. Sound is probably third, fourth, or fifth down the list.Track 2:[19:31] The sight lines were gorgeous the screen is incredible it's 26 stories tall and the set like they just put on an incredible show it was um it was the best i've ever seen them but they were helped in a big way by the venue uh and and just again it felt like going home like all those songs just hit me anew yeah i was simultaneously jealous but super happy for you at the same time because i know how much you love you too so and in classic u2 style they turned their sphere residency into this running gag you know where people by the time they got to the end of the residency people were comparing them to the phantom of the opera that's just stuck in the sphere and cannot leave oh that's great yeah that's awesome so yeah so if you ever if one of your favorite bands plays the sphere take it from run don't walk yes yeah run don't walk go check it out um so we're gonna as far as you two on snl we're gonna do a little something different to start the show because I've brought you two up with some really big SNL geeks and they've told me the same thing like you two's awesome but SNL didn't get them like at their peak necessarily.Track 2:[20:39] So I'm like yeah like I had to concede that like they they didn't so I want to do an exercise with Ryan I'm going to take part in this too we're going to do a little fantasy booking before we get into their actual performances and for SNL hall of fame voting purposes this does not count toward the rest of the Hall of Fame. This is just mine and Ryan's kind of nerdy exercise here, brief fantasy booking here. So I told Ryan between about 1980 and 1991, if they appeared twice in that time period, how would you book those appearances and when? So I want to start, do you want to kick it off, Ryan, or how do you want to do this? How many do I get? Two appearances. Two appearances. And standard SNL, so that should guide you as to how many songs they perform. Okay, okay. So in that case, here's what I want to do. I want to go... I actually want to start earlier in their career. I don't want to go all the way back to Boy in 1980. I want to bring them in when they're touring War. war. So the war came out in 1983. Yep. 83, 82. 83.Track 2:[21:57] I should have this stuff committed to memory. And I think that would have been interesting if that was one of the episodes where Drew Barrymore hosted. And I would love to see them play Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Year's Day. Oh yeah yeah okay they're like that era of the band it's almost it's almost foreign to see now because they're so lo-fi they're much they're much more in tune with where they came from like you know them coming from ireland in the late 70s and being inspired by the ramones and the clash and you know those kinds of bands and television like you wouldn't expect that now when you watch them play and you see them being so larger than life and so anthemic, you wouldn't think that they were guys who were inspired by white men at Hammersmith Palais, but they were. So to go back to that era and to watch them be so young, so full of energy, like their songs were so fast, that I would love to see on the SNL stage. I think that would fit in really well with a lot of that early SNL aesthetic too, when it was much more DIY.Track 2:[23:11] Yep ebersole that's the ebersole era yeah still that they would have that they would have come into uh yeah as well yeah yeah i like that uh it's kind of funny we had parallel thinking right there um because for mine i i waited for them to have like three albums under their belt kind of get more and more of their name out there so i had them for war as well after the war album and i wanted to see them play sunday bloody sunday and like a song i think like a song is this energetic love it kind of big sounding i think they would they would have totally ripped like a song they would have in 8h and uh so i have them doing yeah sunday bloody sunday like a song i don't think they were the band in 83 to get the preferential third song no but so that's why only having them do two songs but i think that's a nice like sunday bloody sunday we both have because that's just like the chill inducing that's the one that you play first that's what what people know. But then like, yeah, you and I kind of differed on the second song. But interesting that we both had them around the war period of 83. Yeah. I mean, I do love when SNL brings a band in early in their career. You know, it's wild to say in this case, early in their career being three years and three albums in, arguably at the point where they cemented the fact that they were going to stick around. Because after the second record, people weren't really sure. And nowadays they wouldn't have made it to a third record.Track 2:[24:38] But yeah, that that was the point where it's like, OK, no, these these these lads have something to say. So for appearance number two in our fantasy booking, Ryan, where do you go?Track 2:[24:48] I could go several different ways, to be entirely honest. I'm going to go against my instinct. And I'm going to say I want to bring them back in 1991 when they were on the heels of the Actung Baby album, when they really reinvented themselves. I think Jason Priestley would host that show. And I would love to see them play The Fly and Mysterious Ways. Okay. Yeah, I'm curious about The Fly. The.Track 2:[25:18] Fly is so fun visually like The Fly was when they went and did this album that was so different than everything else they'd already done it wasn't as rootsy it wasn't that DIY record it was this really you know produced by Brian Eno very Berlin inspired music that actually cost them a lot of fans like there were a lot of fans that were like out at that point but The Fly was really where the band and Bono leaned into this music and it's got this like fuzz boxy kind of guitar and he's dressed up in this like patent leather with these stupid goggles and he's acting all very larger than life and very um you know acrobatic uh it it visually it's great it would be great tv yeah yeah no i can see that that's a that's a good call so you so you said you had um and mysterious ways and mysterious ways just because i think that's a song uh that they would probably like they were the the visual for that one was a a belly dancer so i could foresee a belly dancer kind of doing their thing on the stage with them yeah good call so parallel thinking for us again man so oh you went there as well i went there as well so actoon baby i went in 1991 i'm gonna give them keifer sutherland okay as the host skid row was the actual musical guest for keifer sutherland we're kicking skid row out and we're bringing you two in love it so uh so i went with mysterious ways their most popular song i think off of Vac Tune Baby.Track 2:[26:46] I think it would play well in 8H. This is my personal favorite U2 song.Track 2:[26:53] It's acrobat okay so you know you know what's interesting is that neither one of us went for one yeah i looked at one and i'm like no i want to get off of that i was like thomas gonna choose that um but um i didn't go populist this time no acro and acrobat again it would sound and look.Track 2:[27:12] Incredible um i believe i've heard them play that i don't hold me to that but it's it's it's very deep in the record. I think if it's not the second last track, it's the third from the end. It's kind of where people usually tune out, but yeah, it's a really soaring guitars.Track 2:[27:29] Oh, swirling music. Love that song so much. Very underrated song. A hundred percent. And the soaring guitars is what gets me. And that's, that's why it's my favorite you to song. Cause I hear it and I'm like, this is just like chill inducing. It's amazing. I think it would rock. I think it would just sound so good. I could imagine the lighting Bono getting so into it. Um, Ryan, I have them playing a third song because by 1991, they're so huge. I think they're going to close out the good nights and I have them playing. I still haven't found what I'm looking for at the end, a little crowd pleaser during the good nights. I can totally just totally see that happen. So I'm giving them a third song. It's going to go back to the Joshua tree. I still haven't found what I'm looking for to close it out. Okay. I like it. I like it a lot. That would set a precedent for, for you to doing a third song because we saw that a couple Double time. So. So that was fantasy booking with me and Ryan geeking out a little bit because we missed, I think a lot of SNL fans missed you two kind of at their peak. It's kind of a Prince thing. I think Ryan, like amazing artists, but we didn't see like the peak necessarily on the show. This is true. Prince, at least he showed up and then he disappeared and he came back. It was kind of like Bowie too. He showed up, he disappeared, and then he came back.Track 2:[28:51] U2, they never had that. And they went, again, we've got 20 years of their career before they show up. They're teetering on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by the time they finally arrive.Track 2:[29:06] And it's not like they weren't performing on television. It's not like they weren't doing well or doing that kind of appearance. Their music videos at the time were very known for kind of taking over public spaces. So it's, I have no idea, maybe just the stars could never align to get them in or what, but it's a really wild thing to see this band not just show up fully formed, because we've talked about that on this show before, but just show up several rounds, it's like several peaks and valleys into their career.Track 2:[29:39] And that they had interaction on stage with a couple of, or with at least one or two SNL characters. Didn't Wayne and Garth kind of do some sort of cross thing with them on MTV? They did. Yeah. There was a, there was the MTV awards one year, Dana Carvey hosted it. And at one point he came out as Garth and he got to drum with them. They were, the funny thing is they were like from, by satellite from whatever live concert they were doing. Right. But he was drumming like really live because at the time it was the Zoo TV tour where he He was like flipping channels and like the TV part of it was very big. And at one point he flipped to Garth and Garth was drumming with them. Yeah, that's so cool. So there's a little bit of an SNL connection. Yeah, they're in early 90s. But when they first made their debut and I said the SNL fans missed out, they didn't miss out on great performances. Certainly. They just kind of missed out on like when U2 was like the biggest band in the world kind of band. Yeah, they missed out on eras is what they missed out on. To steal the label of the current biggest artist in the world. Yeah, exactly. So their first appearance, season 26, episode 7, that was December of 2000. Val Kilmer, your host. This was after they released All That You Can't Leave Behind. I think the songs that they performed completely made sense. The first one was Beautiful Day.Track 2:[31:05] Someone you could lend a hand To turn the world around To you there's my hand, I'll face the sky for the fear I'll face the future for the day.Track 2:[31:25] Down the road On record, I think it's an okay song to me. But live like I was super impressed by this one what do you think Ryan so the wild thing about this moment is this is them coming back, So the late 90s was not kind to U2. They were disappearing for long stretches. Their tours were only so-so.Track 2:[31:54] And people were already tired of them. People were like, ah, they've lost it. So then they go and they make this song that is structurally very strange, should not work. And even me as a fan, I was like, well, it's OK. And then all of my non-U2 friends were playing it and playing it and playing it. And it became this huge song in 2000 that was their big comeback hit. And you're right, live it gets additional legs. And this one I've definitely heard live several times. And, you know, even just when Val Kilmer is introducing them, you can hear the crowd is already like ramped up and ready to adore it. I noticed that too. there's like an anticipation like pent up yeah for like years yeah yeah they make it all look so easy uh what i love about this song is it shows how loud these four boys can get like they're they're you know it's just four instruments there's no extra there's no strings behind them there's no keys or nothing like that that's filling things in it's just them they make a lot of noise and they get a very very big sound and it's it's wild because they make 8h seem like an arena when they're playing this song yeah absolutely i do want to shout out the boys by name we've mentioned bono and of.Track 2:[33:09] Course on yes on the guitar edge david evans to his mother but edge to everybody else um adam clayton on the bass larry mullen jr on the drums those two are uh unsung heroes in that band they are they are incredibly talented and could do anything they They wanted to, if, if they were ever got bored of doing this job and, and they, and they shine later on, we'll talk about them again in a second. Yeah. But yeah, these two songs, beautiful day in elevation.Track 2:[33:37] They really showed off. Um what the band was ready to do like they were ready to take back their place at the top of the charts um elevation was actually kind of interested as well both of them bono has a real trick of knowing when and where he is um at all times and this episode was on december 9th 2000 which was almost 20 years to the day that john lennon was killed in new york so in both songs there are snippets of john lennon music he does um i think it's all you need is love in the first song and instant karma in the second song so it's it's he's got a real trick of knowing where and when he is at all times and kind of alluding to that so um lennon's another person who really inspired bono especially but the band for sure so seeing those two things caught on on camera was really wild and knowing where he is like to to quote like the cowbell sketch from around that time bono was exploring the studio space yes in 8h man like i loved when like there was already great energy to begin with and then bono goes into the crowd walks around messes with the camera a little bit he loves doing that he loves messing with cameras like at the so you see him alive will he kind of like find a camera that's shooting like the big screen he'll kind of mess with it too Mm-hmm. Always. That's been his favorite trick since 91.Track 2:[35:05] Oh, okay. Yeah. He messed with the Studio 8H camera. The crowd was on fire at the end of this. They really did. And it really was this wild moment in 2000 where this band that everybody had more or less moved on from, all of a sudden just came back unexpectedly.Track 2:[35:58] Their first snl appearance an event it sounded like an event you would reference their music sounds big we would use the term soaring which i think both of these songs qualify it so that both of them sounded so big on that little stage and and and it worked it just it just so like completely worked so i thought it was like an event the first time like yeah 20 years in the making and it delivered absolutely so their second appearance season 30 episode 6 mr luke wilson uh hosting a couple of days this is november 20th of 04 so it was a couple days still before they were going to release how to dismantle an atomic bomb i think vertigo was already kind of out there in the ether and being played and that was the first song that they chose again um made sense typical big U2 sound I mean sound like a broken record I enjoy this performance very much.Track 2:[37:22] We'll be right back. The, vertigo had latched into a lot of people's consciousness because it was the ipod commercial it was it was kind of this controversial moment of had you two just sold out um back you know back when that was a taboo thing nowadays that's part of that that's part of your income but um you know, for this band that was very much about altruism and about selflessness. And, you know, yeah, listen, they make money, but they weren't about selling their souls to sell Cadillacs. It was like, what do you mean they licensed their music to Apple? And the story then turned into, oh, no, no, they let Apple use it, but they didn't take the money. Vertigo. This is where Larry and Edge are playing their asses off. The bass line and the drum line of that song is deceptively good that just kind of gets lost behind that guitar riff that's so easy and bono doing his yeah yeah yeahs throughout the whole thing It's a fun song to sing along to. They play it up again, really loud, really big.Track 2:[38:30] It's it's it's yeah, it's just take no prisoners holding the belt. You know, they're the biggest band in the world again. And it's like we're not letting go. It took us seven years or six or seven years to get back to the mountaintop. We're not getting off the mountaintop just yet. Yeah, I felt that, too, for sure. And it's kind of funny because maybe it's like, I don't know, like because Bono's wearing wearing sunglasses indoors or something. He always does. Yeah. Like it occurred to me while watching this, how much of a giant rock star that he is. And that might, yeah, that might sound like such an obvious statement, but like watching him command the stage just makes me think like, oh yeah, this is what a rock star is. And you can't really learn how to do this. It's almost seems like it's something that's in you. And so watching Bono, it's like, he knows, he knows how to command the stage you referenced he he he lives for the moment so that's like with watching vertigo again yeah adam play and edge stood out but bon i looked it was like bonos of damn rock star yes yeah the.Track 2:[39:33] Amazing thing about going back to this episode after vertigo and its braggadociousness um is they come back and they play this song that was a huge single off this record but i've actually almost forgotten about it called sometimes you can't make it on your own long.Track 2:[40:16] This song is one that Bono wrote in the wake of losing his father.Track 2:[40:25] And I knew that at the time. I knew that. I follow every darn thing that the band does. But for some reason, I didn't really hear it properly at the time. And now coming back to it after my own father has passed away, this song is just dripping with grief and it's got this beautiful build um some incredibly frank lyrics that when you learn more about um bono's relationship with his father and what that all entailed which would be enough to fill a whole show um and not in a way that's the typical like angsty father-son relationship but actually a very very close one um the song gets a whole other layer so watching it in in preparation for this conversation it hit me a lot harder than it has in the past um and it's something that i i do recommend people go back to if they've never heard the song or if they've forgotten the song listen to it because it's just it's one of their more underrated songs and the way they perform it and it becomes this slow beautiful build into to just this beautiful embrace is really something special to see yeah it was great sometimes you can't make it on your own uh is the song two things that stood out to me really was like.Track 2:[41:50] Edge really shines during this performance for me i love that soaring guitar yeah that's part of the build-up that you mentioned and then it turns into this soaring guitar that edge does so well and i don't know if it's it's the guitar tone and the youtube does a lot especially live with like reverb and making it sound big and stuff like that but that's what like he's a mad professor yeah right yeah edge's guitar just totally like sung and soared to me and.Track 2:[42:18] It almost it did make me think too that even their slower songs sound huge oh yes that's an accomplishment but their slow songs have this build up and they just sound enormous like this is a band ryan that was i think you listen to boy and i think when i listened to boy which was their first album that they're already made for the arena instantly i think i will follow is the first song off of.Track 2:[42:42] Boy and i listened to that and i'm like they're made for the arena they did like they were they were aiming big they they they aimed big and they hit it yeah absolutely so you can see that in their slow songs yes as well so this is like a perfect example and i just did a segue and i didn't even mean to do that i looked up and i was like oh yeah um this song this next song would have been if we were doing fantasy booking early on i would have chosen i will follow um so i love that they did this during the good nights they got a third song what a special moment like how cool was this.Track 2:[43:54] Watch them play a song that's 24 years old at that point just you know rip the roof off the the studio the crowd is in it the cast is losing their minds one of my favorite parts one o'clock in the morning and everybody is just wrapped you know everybody is loving their them saying good night with this classic yeah i mean bono's doing his bono thing he's walking throughout eight age messing with the camera he gives a lady in the audience a lap dance and she kind of grabs him though like oh yeah she was she was like she's like fanning herself after yeah yeah she's enjoying it it was such a cool shot like you mentioned all the cast members on home base dancing he hugs amy poehler well she looks like she's about ready to like her heart's gonna burst completely she was so into you can see parnell and dratch and maya and will forte and finesse mitchell like they're They're all getting into it. What a, just the best good nights of all time, maybe. Like, yeah, definitely. Right. Very unexpected. And it plays so well. Yeah. And do you know about this? Like, um, they seemingly played more after the show ended and, and, and they moved on. I read about that. Yeah. I read about that. Like, I mean, it's the, you usually do have to kind of drag them off stage. They will keep going as long as they want to. Yeah. Uh, but they're kind of like Bruce Springsteen in that way. Uh, but, uh, yeah, they, apparently they played, they kept on playing, but I, and I, and you, And as I said, if you watch that crowd, you would not know that it's 1 o'clock in the morning at that point because nobody's going anywhere.Track 2:[45:24] No, they weren't. And I think Bono even announced, like, we're not going to go. Like, can we stay or whatever? So the camera, the show ended. And as U2 was starting another song. I don't know what song. No idea. I can probably look it up. Check the show notes, folks. Yeah, I'm sure the U2 fan community.Track 2:[45:42] It's listed somewhere. I'm sure it is. But to be in that crowd. No, I'm kidding.Track 2:[45:48] Can you imagine? Oh, that was awesome. So I will follow one of my personal favorite U2 songs, a special moment to close their second appearance on Saturday Night Live, like some legendary moments already, making up for lost time, as we mentioned. Most definitely. Yeah, absolutely. They come back not too long after, like the five-year gap, September of 2009. Five years is a long time. Let's not cut this short here. Five years in between appearances five years in between records is a very long time in this century it was a long time in the 80s like that that's one of the things that's held this band back is they have always worked very slow and for a long time that was okay when bands were taking that much time in between albums the world has sped up they have not but yeah no five years from 2004 to 2009 that is a very long time yeah i guess i because i was like oh we've been waiting 20 years since their first appearance so yeah well i mean yeah comparatively in in the music world and like to be an snl uh musical guest yeah i think five years um so people were aching for him to come back and so they had released no line on the horizon uh earlier in the year so they made an appearance in september of 2009 megan fox hosting first song breathe and i i think this is a song that i've always loved the melody i love that there's a little bit of heaviness but then it It kind of pulls back.Track 2:[47:13] There's not too much, like it doesn't like, it's not too crunchy. So there's a lot I've always really enjoyed about this song. So this appearance they're fighting like i said you know the the second appearance they're still on the mountaintop and they're they don't want to let go this one they're fighting to stay there and they're fighting hard and they're not really gonna stay there because this record is not gonna do what the last two did um the songs are for me not as good uh no i think this is the weakest of I am looking squarely at you, Bono, because musically, there is something that I would love to have. And I'm sure one way or another, I could probably get it in the age of AI. I want this record without vocals because musically it is stunning. The lyrics are terrible.Track 2:[48:38] But it's a season premiere. So, you know, if you want to talk about like what the show thinks of the band at this stage, they're giving them opening night. Night um they this is another time where they get three songs and two of the three are very long breathe and moment of surrender are both really long numbers moment of surrender like six and a half minutes yeah something like that yeah yeah yeah um the band musically though is doing some amazing things like you talked about watching edge's guitar in um in sometimes you can't make watching him play in moment of surrender is just sublime yeah yeah i agree um even larry mullen jr in breathe really stood out oh yeah yeah his drums are just drumming or gore is gorgeous it's great and that's like uh it's funny because that's what i noticed too is it's it's more so like edge and adam clayton and larry mullen jr standing out that it is bono yes here three out of four Four people did their job. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But I think the moment of surrender, so I'll say this, that's probably my least favorite of their SNL performances, which says more about how great U2 has been on the show. Yeah. Because it's still good.Track 2:[49:57] Yeah. But it's just like you're watching it. You're comparing it to I Will Follow. Yeah. To Elevation. You're comparing it to all of these great performances. It's a beautiful day. Compare it to their debut and it's like, hmm.Track 2:[50:09] Yeah. Yeah. So so but even that even moment of surrender it's long. It's my least favorite, but I'm like I'm like watching it going it's.Track 2:[50:17] So yeah so that's just don't listen to the words yeah watch three out of four and don't listen to the words and you'll love it yeah luckily i'm not like i say that as a fan what's that yeah i'm not total a total like lyrics guy too like that's the lyrics are the last thing that i'll notice in the song so that's probably to my place to my their benefit with right right um but you mentioned they did a third song again um and this is where like yeah ultraviolet like during the good nights like interesting visuals to me this is where things get cool because while.Track 2:[50:50] Most of what they do in their snl career is very small and club-like theater like this is a band that still plays stadiums uh to this day still play stadiums and not a lot of bands can put on a full stadium show uh you know beyonce can taylor can of course but i mean and i say this is a person who appreciates his music but and and you know listeners please write in and tell me what is an ed sheeran concert like in a stadium you know what i mean like i i can't i can't fathom that uh but this is a band that can still do a large spectacle and you get a glimmer of it with ultraviolet.Track 2:[52:00] This tour had this really cool like claw, this very big circular stage. Oh, that was the claw. Yeah. 2009.Track 2:[52:09] They really started leaning back towards their Acton Baby album because its visuals kind of mirrored what they were doing. And they did this trippy encore with this suit where he had like basically laser pens pointing out of every which direction. Pretty much. It seemed like little mirrors that refracted light to make it look like lasers or something. Something like that. Were they actual lasers? No, they were actually lasers. As he moved, they kept on. Like a laser suit, basically. Yeah. And this microphone that's like an old-fashioned boxing announcer microphone that descends from the ceiling. And it's like a steering wheel that also has red LEDs in it. And he swings on it and he sings into it. And this is giving you a glimpse into this is what this band does in a bigger room. So the fact that they could bring that, they could bring the stadium show to SNL is pretty damn impressive. Yeah, it was really cool. And it seemed like the production compared to their first two SNL appearances, it seems like it was a bit more. There were screens behind them, a little bit more lighting, I think. This is where SNL is starting to lean into that too, where they're getting people away from the train station and they're starting to let them play a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. And it's very evident right here. And the only thing I'll say about Ultraviolet on the negative side is I wish we got the entire thing. Yeah, no kidding.Track 2:[53:28] Right? Yeah. I mean, of course, Time, they're doing a television show, but they had to cut them off. Like, the credits were rolling and they're still doing the song. So I wish we got the whole thing. But still a cool moment. You got to see some of the visuals from that tour in 2009. in nine.Track 2:[53:44] Definitely a long time, Ryan, before they come back. It's a little over eight years before they come back. The Irish took over that day. Saoirse Ronan hosted their fellow country person. I can only assume Notre Dame won that day as well. It was a full Irish takeover. And the Celtics. And the Celtics. Yeah, exactly.Track 2:[54:05] So they had released Songs of Experience the day prior.Track 2:[54:10] Was that the album that ended up on everyone's iPhone? phone no that would be songs of innocence oh okay which basically torpedoed songs of experience by the time by the time they came back and this time they came back actually pretty quick they came back just a few years later uh one year later actually with songs of experience people were like no i'm out forget it you put your music onto my device i'm done it's so funny like yeah i don't know like you could have i think these people felt violated electronically but you could have just not listened to it or you could have just well there's that i mean the really the really wild thing is apple was the.Track 2:[54:43] One who did it but you two never wanted to get out there and say we did not do this apple did this if you want to yell at anybody yell at them and by the time they finally brought that up the ship had long since left the dock like they didn't bring that up until years later and that kind of tells you something where they're like you know if people want to be mad at us we'd rather them be mad at us we're not gonna you know get into a pissing match with a corporation yeah um the timing of this episode is interesting because this is this is around the time that uh the president of the united states is banning people from whole countries from coming to the america um they start with this song called american soul that has this really powerful intro um you know like blessed are the liars blessed are the peacemakers blessed art you know and that's Kendrick Lamar that is Kendrick Lamar and um.Track 2:[55:43] Again, you two knowing where they are, when they are, they know well enough that one of the biggest voices in the world right now is not them, is Kendrick Lamar. So they put him front and center on this track to the point where they actually let him take the track. He has a song on his damn record that takes a snippet of American Soul and drops it into the middle completely without context. Context yeah they then use it as a full song a year later um so it was kind of wild to see that and and beautiful that the first voice we hear when they're back here is kendrick lamar not bono yeah cool visuals too yeah beautiful visuals in the background um it's it's um you know it's again it's really four on the floor kind of music really driving just really energetic kind of again Again, back to what they were doing in that 2000 performance. At this point, they're just straight out of cares. They're just happy to be there. They don't care about staying on the mountaintop. They're there to champion the people that folks like the president of the United States at the time would say is worthless. And they're saying, no, you are not worthless. You are what makes this country great. You are what makes the rest of the world great.Track 2:[57:04] And, you know, we see you. I love the message. and the performance was good nothing too like chill inducing but i love the message love enjoy the performance.Track 2:[57:50] I like the second song to me. Get out of your own way. Yeah, no, it feels like a throwback in a good way to me, like a like a recent U2 song that kind of feels like somewhat of a throwback. I kind of like the melody. So I kind of dig this song. I definitely dig the song. And I do get a laugh at a band like U2 singing a song called Get Out of Your Own Way, because it's it's like, are you listening to your own words? Well, he's you know, I mean, he wrote it. You know who he wrote it for? before that one he did yeah yeah um but no you're right i mean the irony's not lost yes there for sure um the songs are flipped this is the interesting thing is get out of your on the record get out of your own way lead straight into american soul with that blessed are the bullies blessed are the liars um segue that that kendrick does so it's kind of wild that they flip them um i watching them in prep for this show i was actually thinking it would have been cool if If somehow or another they had to convince Destinel to let them play them back to back. Yeah. I don't think that's ever been done.Track 2:[58:51] But that would have been a cool experience. They're not Taylor Swift. No. Doing a 10 minute. No. But I mean, they're doing Moment of Surrender for seven minutes. Sure. Right. You know, I think they're going to be able to talk Lauren into doing it. Yeah. I found that interesting too. Like rechecking the track listing and stuff. I'm like, that was my first thought. I'm like, oh, if they could have somehow. how yeah you hear kendrick's voice at the end of get out of your own way into american soul so you're absolutely right but get out of your own ways one of those like it soars it's kind of light it's just yeah it's a it's a pretty song that's like it's it's a lot of what i love about about you too it's probably my favorite one of my favorite songs like that they've put out like the past 10 years.Track 2:[1:00:06] Those songs are underrated. There's a lot of really beautiful stuff on there. It's just at this point, a lot of people have kind of moved on. Yeah. So so the you know, the thesis at the beginning, the what we pointed out was took them 20 years from boy to their first appearance. But I think they nailed it. I think I nailed it as SNL. I mean, regardless of we didn't get any Joshua Tree songs ever on SNL. We didn't get stuff like Desire that might have been fun, but we got some damn good performances, Ryan. Which is, I mean, it's interesting because a lot of times when they bring in legacy bands, especially when they bring in legacy bands late in their career, that second song at 1245 will be an older one that people recognize, right? Like it's, let's play the new song and then let's play the encore number. They never really did that. that they kept they kept some of those songs till 1am uh when they were let but they're like no our new material holds up it's good music on its own in and of itself let's just play the new stuff and and for my money it worked even though like even as i say that the the no line episode is weird.Track 2:[1:01:16] Lyrically it's still great music and then they end it by going back to their older stuff that fits with the new music. So, you know, points for the ballsiness of saying, we are just gonna stick to the new stuff because we believe the new stuff is good. And for the most part it is. Yeah, I'm glad like a lot of fans were maybe exposed to their new stuff. Like they might've just, And like, oh, U2, I haven't really listened to U2 since like the mid 90s. And then they get this new stuff and hopefully it motivated some people to go check it out. Yeah, yeah. So do you think how much like should it factor in that they weren't on the show at arguably their peak? When it comes to like how people remember them and their SNL musical guest legacy, like should that factor in? Like, where do you stand on that? I would say that it doesn't matter as much as it might for other bands, because when they came when they did finally show up in 2000 and 2004.Track 2:[1:02:14] They were still at a peak. Peak those two records in the early part of this century they were huge and when you look back and like i say this now as a fan i say that their music is not as relevant as it used to be but when i say that it used to be i'm talking like 20 years ago so when they did show up they showed up at a peak they this is a band that's had a few peaks over the course of its career and they showed up for one of them so if we've got four spots and two of their spots they are the biggest band in the world i think that negates the fact that they took a 20-year wander before they got around to it yeah it's a good point and as far as because we've we've talked about this i mean we both champion dave grohl i i've taken it as a personal mission this season to try to get dave grohl into the snl hall of fame i'm still stumping for prince man still stumping for prince i mean Yeah, no, Dave, we did David Bowie. It's hard for musical guests to get into the hall, for sure. But why should voters really strongly consider you two for the hall? Maybe as part of the show's musical legacy, knowing all that. I'm glad you asked. There are only a small handful of bands that have had a three-song night on SNL.Track 2:[1:03:35] No other band has had it more than once. And this band got it two times. So that to me, it's like, it's like throwing a 20 strikeout game and there's one pitcher who's done it twice. So that's the kind of thing it's, it's, it's a special number in the legacy of the show. And not only have they hit the special number, but they did it two times.Track 3:[1:04:16] So there's that you know i hadn't really considered ryan's final argument there that like a 20 strikeout game they in this case you too did it twice they performed three songs twice and one of the instances that they performed we're going to listen to right now it's from the 2004 episode hosted by luke wilson the band got invited to perform a third song after the good nights and they chose I will follow. So let's give that a listen right now.Track 3:[1:08:58] Electric. That performance was definitely whole worthy when you factor in the context. And that's important. The context is very important. The musical guest takes up about 10 minutes of a 90 minute show. So I understand that they are not quite as, you know, important per se in your head as cast members and potentially writers and even hosts, but musical guests are people too.Track 3:[1:09:32] So there's that. Keep that in mind. We've got Dave Grohl still on the ballot. He should be in. I, I'm curious if the news that just broke this week will factor into his vote this year or, or not. There is not a, um, a clause in the SNL hall of fame bylaws that indicate, uh, somebody needs to, um, behave in order to go into the hall. but I digress. Listen, next week we have a great show, but before we head into that, I really want to thank Ryan McNeil for joining us again. Visit thematinee.ca for more of his work. Thomas, once again, just a bang up job. Matt Ardill in the trivia corner, just phenomenal. And then of course, this Thursday you have Joe and Shari that are going to, I don't know, No, probably continue my musical guest rant.Track 3:[1:10:38] So there's that. That's what I've got for you this week. Join us next week where we nominate Charles Barkley. We're joined by SNN super stat guy, Mike Murray. So that should be a real good one. Give us a listen. Send us an email at the SNL HOF at gmail.com. 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Joe, Shari, and jD gather around the water cooler to discuss this week's SNL Hall of Fame episode. What does this trio think of Adam Driver as a nominee?Transcript:Track 1:[1:40] Hey it's JD here and welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame water cooler. It's a pleasure to be here with you. I'm parched so let's head down to the water cooler area where I'm going to meet Joe and Shari. There they are. Joe how are you doing this week buddy?Track 3:[2:00] I'm good I'm good. Shari how are you?Track 2:[2:03] I'm doing great. I got my water bottle right here that I just filled up at the water cooler nice and cold well.Track 1:[2:09] Let's talk some snl hall of fame this week we had uh an excellent episode where ashley bauer came on to present her case for adam driver um shari do you want to take us through the episode sure.Track 2:[2:30] I would love to uh very happy to get to hear from ashley again. This was her second time, I believe. Her first time I wrote down, let me see. I, well, we'll skip that because it'll take me a while to find it.Track 1:[2:46] Kate McKinnon. Kate McKinnon.Track 2:[2:48] Thank you, J.D. Your memory, you and Joe's memory far surpasses mine. Yes, that's right. Kate McKinnon. And of course, Kate is very close to getting in. So we'll see how Ashley does with Adam. She took us, she and Thomas did an excellent job of taking us through some of Adam's best sketches. And there are too many to list. And he, of course, has been a host four times. Who knows, could be number five this season. I know they talked about it on the Saturday Night Network. The chances of him coming back possibly look pretty good. Other hosts have done back-to-back seasons. So we'll see how that goes. And Ashley made an excellent case. She and Thomas both reminded us that his serious acting chops really add to his comedic talent. It really makes him an even better comedian when he comes to something like SNL. So I think that's pretty much the rough run through right there.Track 1:[3:47] Nice. Joe, what do you have to say about the episode this week?Track 3:[3:51] I mean, I agree with Shari. I agree with the episode. Adam is an intense, dramatic actor. And if you look in SNL's history, I mean, I'm just kind of going off of, if you look at like, you know, because that also applies to other great hosts like Tom Hanks, John Goodman, Alec Baldwin. Baldwin so uh if to go back to what uh everyone else was saying could he host again John Goodman did Alec Baldwin did I mean all these other intense dramatic actors did who've also done great jobs so will he be back next year I mean more than most likely uh it you know depends on who else they want you know but if there is an open spot I could see them you know calling him in.Track 1:[4:39] I'd be all for that. I'm a big fan of Adam Driver as a host on SNL. Do you guys have a favorite moment or, you know, a moment that will be on his plaque, perhaps, if he were to be enshrined in the SNL Hall of Fame?Track 3:[4:56] I mean, I got one that I think everyone just goes to. To me, when I heard he was eligible, the first one, the first sketch that popped into mind was Undercover Boss.Track 2:[5:10] Me too.Track 1:[5:11] Right. Right. Of course.Track 2:[5:14] 100%.Track 3:[5:15] Because it does two things. It takes a role that he was known for at the time. So it's kind of like, well, why should this guy host? And it's like, well, we'll take his Star Wars character and apply it into the world or framework of Saturday Night Live. And then he just scores, scores and scores. He's like playing both the Kylo Ren character as well as like a Saturday Night Live character. So basically Kylo Ren in a Saturday Night Live context and to see, you know, the big heavy of the Star Wars universe as someone getting picked on that and then and have him be just as great as everyone else in the sketch. I mean, that's just like a great way to initially like to meet him, you know, because it was probably because I think they said in the other show that was the first sketch after the monologue on his first show. So it's like, yeah, you see the sketch and you're like, yes, okay, this guy, he belongs. Let's do this. And then he hosted four more times. And like, you're just constantly thinking of like, why should he host? You think of that? And then you're like, yeah, they even sequelized it, like they said.Track 1:[6:38] Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that made that so successful as well was it is a bang on parody of Undercover Boss. I, a guilty pleasure, have spent a lot of time watching Undercover Boss and they really freaking nail the conceit and the delivery of the show. So I think that that enhances it as well. What do you think, Shari?Track 2:[7:05] I agree with what both of you J's have just thrown down. It is a remarkable parody. I am not as big a fan, JD, of Undercover Boss, but I know a lot of people who are. And I have watched it at least once or twice to kind of know what the conceit is and how it kind of moves along. And they do nail it. They absolutely nail it. And the thing I want to mention that you two hadn't, but that Thomas and Ashley both mentioned, is how well he plays with or plays off of or others play off of him. Because Bobby and Taryn and Leslie, just he works so well with all of them. And they're all coming into a universe that he already inhabits. And somehow it all works. I know Bobby is a huge Star Wars fan, so I love that he was able to get involved in that and become a part of the universe. I could tell he's having a ball. And they just all mesh so beautifully, and they tell such a great story.Track 3:[8:13] And to add to everyone's point everything comes together in the end where they're taking undercover boss putting it in the Star Wars universe and then Adam Driver the writing and the performance of Adam Driver giving, I forget who it is but giving him the card that says after a rain comes a rainbow sorry I killed your son And it's like every part of that sketch, like just in that one line, it's like the writing, the performance. I mean, everything is shown off in that brief five seconds.Track 1:[8:54] Did you just clap at us?Track 3:[8:57] Well, I mean, I didn't mean to, but I was trying to signify the moment. I mean, even though I'm doing a podcast, I talk with my hands. So if you can't, I know you can't see me, but I'm conducting my, this is how I am.Track 3:[9:14] But here's something else I just want to go off of, especially what Shari said. Said uh adam blends in with the cast when he hosts that was a big note i wrote when i was listening to the podcast and watching his sketches uh he can either be the center point the fall guy he could you know like in um the oil time tycoon and career day or i mean we'll get back to that But or he could be the straight man.Track 3:[9:49] Which is usually a thankless role in the sleepover sketch where he's the dad who's telling everyone about what happened to his house. You know, usually like I could see like if it was Kate McKinnon or like a female host, they would have the little girl saying, oh, man, that's weird. And then you would have someone else tear and kill him or someone being the dad saying what happened but to have adam do it in such a you know and to see like um him do that and sleep over and then you know be the same guy in oil tycoon that's range i just and then like the fact that he could do any role like any uh any you know that uh that calls for him in a sketch he could do it he could be big he could be subtle he could be you know whatever they need him to be he could be he's.Track 1:[10:44] Probably a dream to write for yeah.Track 3:[10:47] Because like he could do accents he could be angry he could be you know and then like in the kitten skit uh he could be playful and happy and so he just has that range that usually cast members have yeah.Track 2:[11:06] Agreed shari.Track 1:[11:08] Is there a sketch there's uh joe said undercover boss you said you weren't as down with that did you give us a sketch that you appreciate.Track 2:[11:17] Oh no i definitely agree with undercover boss that would have been my choice actually yeah totally uh both both the original and the sequel i just think because that's the character that everybody knows him as. I mean, he's Kylo Ren. He will be Kylo Ren for the rest of his career. And what I like about him is he's okay with that. He's not one of those actors, I'm looking at you, Harrison Ford, who like, I don't want to talk about Han Solo. Adam and...Track 2:[11:49] Adam embraces the fame that Kylo Ren brought him and has ran with that. And I really admire that about him. And he brings that to us now. I do too. Every character he gives 100%, just like he did with Kylo Ren. Just like he's, I know he's done a million roles. I can't even think of all of them. I believe I've seen most of his movies, but he's in so much. And he's fairly young, so he's got a robust career. Career so i see him being a john goodman or as steve martin i think he's going to come back, many many times in the future at least that's my opinion i think i'm right because i just see him being around for a long time because he's so versatile as far as another favorite sketch i have so many uh i agree with joe the one with pete davidson where he plays the crazy oil tycoon i just watched that yesterday yeah unbelievable and i had somehow missed the one he did with bowen where there's a couple expecting the or trying to have the baby rather the gay couple me.Track 1:[12:56] Too when i heard that in the in the podcast i was like wow i don't recall that.Track 2:[13:01] Somehow we have to watch on a sketch by sketch off of youtube now and somehow we missed it and i never I never went back and watched it. And I was so happy that Ashley and Thomas talked about it because I made sure to watch it this time. And again, Adam and Bowen, who would put them together, right? But they are completely believable as a couple. I just loved it.Track 3:[13:27] Again, another ensemble sketch where Adam blends in.Track 2:[13:32] Agreed.Track 1:[13:33] Yeah, it's funny. You know, from a comparison perspective, does he end up being a Goodman, Hanks, Baldwin, or does he end up being a Timberlake where, you know, he's works with one sort of generation. It'll be interesting to see in the years that move forward. If he doesn't show up this year, uh, you know, will the cast change dramatically after 50? I don't, I don't know. No, it could be interesting to see what 51 brings us in those terms. So, yeah.Track 3:[14:15] To go off of that, to answer your question, will he blend in with future casts? It's worth mentioning that he doesn't have a specific sketch that he does with a specific cast member. You know like how timberlake did um well you know you know bring it on down the rappingville or you know dick in a box so he's able to say like i'll come back and he doesn't have to do that sketch with that cast member and that cast member has to do a cameo like he could just show up and do whatever you know and then you know do a kit you know do something innocent do something intense You know, he's not tied down.Track 1:[15:01] Yeah, that's true.Track 2:[15:02] I want to add to what...Track 1:[15:04] Sorry, Sharon.Track 2:[15:05] I want to add to what... No problem. I want to add to what Joe was saying, because that was exactly how I was thinking. JT was very tied to Jimmy Fallon. He was very tied to the Lonely Island. And when they left, they were like his besties. When they left, I think he was no longer as interested. Whereas Adam doesn't have that. He's not tied to any one cast member, just like what Joe says. And I think his career is not stalling out. Sorry, JT, but he kind of disappeared for a while, which I get because he had young kids. He had young kids. I get it. But he walked away. I don't see Adam walking away. I don't know if he has young children as well, but I see him balancing things and I see him being a movie star and in possibly another streaming series. I don't think it's going to stop for him I think he's going to keep going Even if it's just one project a year If he slows down a little Kind of like Tom Hanks is doing right now in his career.Track 3:[16:07] I mean, it's worth mentioning that his character in Star Wars is done. Now, theoretically, it hasn't stopped Disney from...Track 1:[16:14] I'm joking. The movie's been years old.Track 3:[16:16] Your character, whatever, in the Star Wars universe, they'll still use it. But I'm just saying that the Star Wars sequel series has stopped, but Adam's career has kept going. And he's worked with many different directors. And I could see him doing something silly, like a silly comedy. Like he was in that Logan Lucky movie, but then he was also in, I think it was, uh, he was in a movie with Pacino. So, you know, he's able to just keep going. And if his career is going, then, you know, he has something to promote.Track 2:[16:52] Why can't he help?Track 3:[16:53] Yeah. Why can't, exactly.Track 1:[16:54] You know, is there anyone currently in the hall that is a comparison that is like a comparable? I know there's not really from a host perspective, I don't think. Is there any other role that you can see him following? Or let me ask it more simply. Is he a first ballot Hall of Famer?Track 2:[17:18] I don't think so. Right. Only because he's so current. And sometimes people have trouble with recency bias. But I think he's going to be like Will and Kate. hey, I think he's going to get like 63%, 64%. I think he's going to get really, really close. Because I think the recency bias is going to work for and against him, just like it did for Kate and Will.Track 1:[17:43] Yeah, I still think Kate was a, that's a travesty.Track 2:[17:47] She'll be in this year.Track 1:[17:48] She should have been first ballot. She should have been first ballot.Track 3:[17:51] Yeah.Track 1:[17:54] Okay, I would be remiss to lose this opportunity while we're around the water cooler to talk about my favorite sketch. And that is Del Taco. So I'm real curious what Shari and Joe, you think about the Del Taco sketch by Mooney and Bennett?Track 3:[18:16] I mean, I mean, that is something where the host could have been like a director and then you could have had three cast members doing that, the bulk of that sketch. But because Adam is so awesome at being a cast member, he's able to just blend in, you know, and have the same rhythm as the other two.Track 1:[18:39] And that's Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney, which it's, you know, if you're looking at cast members, you can't look much further than those two when it comes to keeping up. Because they are, you know, banana pants sketches, typically speaking.Track 2:[18:56] Yes. and.Track 3:[18:58] It's almost like they're bringing him into their world because they have that rhythm.Track 2:[19:03] They have.Track 3:[19:04] With each other and then it's like okay why don't we have the host come in and try and do what we do and then he's able to do it i mean almost to the point where you don't even know which one's speaking.Track 2:[19:15] Yeah to a degree and i almost i almost feel like this was a rare moment where kyle's almost like the straight man or the the uh one that they sort of play off of kyle's sort of the play-doh and they're you know beckon and adam are the ones who are like trying to mold him into this perfect yes taco yeah and it's so it's so great it's almost like a sandwich right yeah we got the bread on both ends and then here's poor little kyle in the middle and it's i thought you were talking.Track 1:[19:50] About tacos at first i was going to say you're going to create controversy.Track 2:[19:53] Here um but they they're they're just a not a trio again not a trio i would have put together in my head but worked so beautifully and then a little bit of is that cecily who plays the female, i think it um no um chloe is it one of the chloe chloe chloe chloe chloe Yeah, Chloe Feynman. She puts her little touch in there too. And it's just a really nice melange of talent kind of coming together from all different angles.Track 3:[20:28] Yes.Track 1:[20:30] Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I couldn't agree more. Uh, I, it's going to be interesting to watch. Uh, if he does get 60, it's going to be like, well, why the heck doesn't he get 66? But, uh, we shall see. Let's wrap things up here with the taking a look at the previous three nominees, Beck Bennett, Sherry O'Terry, Garrett Morse. If you were to rank the four in likelihood of getting in, in order, adding in this week we're adding in Adam Driver, what does that ranking look like in likelihood of getting in? Joe, we can start with you.Track 3:[21:13] I would say I would go Sherry first. Actually, no, I changed my mind. Garrett Morris first. Then Sherry. Then because I know this is going to sound bad then Beck and then Driver because I just feel like the other three have done more overall you know that being the case and I know Adams is the host that's right yeah.Track 1:[21:49] So, of course, he can't have done as much as a cast member. And that's why it's important to, you know, like, you wouldn't say a director at the Oscars, well, he didn't act well enough because he's a director. You know what I mean? Like, they're rewarding him for being the best director rather than being the best actor. So, you know, you're falling into the trap, Joe, is what I'm trying to say.Track 3:[22:13] I guess. And maybe it's also because he's recent. I mean, again, how about this? It's only because it's those three. I mean, if we were doing this earlier in the season or something, if I had to rank Adam Driver to Beck Bennett, then maybe I would do Driver over Beck. But it's just, I don't know. It's just, and I guess I'm ranking them in the order that they all appeared in, too. So maybe it's a subliminal thing. I mean, but it's just how I feel. I mean, I'm sorry, but.Track 1:[22:47] No, don't apologize. Shari, how about you?Track 2:[22:50] Okay, so I'm giving what I think is going to happen, not necessarily what I agree with. But I think it's going to be Adam first. I think he has the best likelihood of getting in because he was so recently on the show and he blew the roof off the place. His episode was really good, one of the best of the season. I think that back, because again, I think recency helps. And then Garrett and Sherry are going to be neck and neck, but I think it's going to be Garrett and then Sherry. And they're going to be very close.Track 1:[23:24] Yeah. I think you're right. Sherry, to me, has a similar path to Molly Shannon.Track 3:[23:30] I can see that.Track 1:[23:31] Whether or not she makes it, we shall see. But similar path in my eyes. And I believe Molly started in the 20s. So...Track 2:[23:41] I i don't even think sherry has the following that molly has and sherry hasn't been in the public eye molly's been on stuff and doing stuff molly hosted within.Track 1:[23:51] The last four years right.Track 2:[23:53] Yes and she and he's on that tv show with vanessa bayer that was yes not a huge hit but plenty of people watched it so she had some she had some things going on where sherry has stepped away from yeah the screen and i'm not blaming her from that no no no i'm just saying that people People have, we all know, we're super fans. So, yes, we have longer memories. But a lot of the voters are casual fans, I believe. And they're barely going to know who Sherry is, let alone Garrett. So it'll be interesting to see. But Garrett's been in Two Broke Girls and stuff, so that may help him.Track 3:[24:30] That's a good point.Track 1:[24:31] Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch. 50 is going to be very interesting.Track 2:[24:34] Yes, I can't wait.Track 1:[24:36] Looking forward to it. Well, I'm also looking forward to next week. And next week we are going to be talking with our friend Ryan McNeil, who typically comes on the show to talk about music, and he's making no exception this year. He will be on to nominate Ireland's own U2.Track 1:[24:58] We won't go further than that. Because we don't want to give away anything for next week's episode. But we'll be back next week talking about the episode that appears on Monday. And again, that is Ryan McNeil and, um, Thomas, Matt, and myself. We're going to have a great time. And then we're going to meet around the water cooler and talk some more on behalf of Joe and Shari. 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This week we're back with the popular Roundtable episode of the program. In this version we invited Ashley Bower and Deremy Dove to share their ballots with host Thomas Sena. Enjoy and don't forget to vote! https://forms.gle/ECAVQbPBE6r3krpS6Transcript:Track 2:[0:42] Yes, hello, welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame podcast.Track 2:[0:45] I'm your master of ceremonies, your co-host for today's proceedings, Thomas Senna. Everybody, welcome. I think I would be remiss, and I think I need to do, Jamie, do a solid here, because it's very important to Jamie for me to tell you to wipe your feet before you enter the SNL Hall of Fame. I think Jamie would fire me from this post if I didn't tell you guys that. So welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame. Today is our customary end of season extravaganza. It's the SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable. This is the show in which we invite SNL Hall of Fame voters to share their ballots and their thought processes behind their choices. So this is always an interesting exercise to get into the psyche of some of the voters.Track 2:[1:40] Previous roundtables, I think minds have been changed. I think people have stood on islands and been steadfast on who they're voting for. It was interesting to see. I think we all just gained a great insight as to what voters may be thinking. Friendships were formed. I think rivalries were formed. So we've had some interesting roundtables in the past. It's always nice to get a peek into the mindset of SNL Hall of Fame voters. So with me today is two of my guests for this past season on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast.Track 2:[2:16] One first-time roundtable panelist, which is going to be fun. I'm excited to hear her thoughts today.Track 2:[2:24] So we have two panelists, and for full disclosure, for transparency here on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast, I will be sharing my ballot as well. So it's going to be the three of us sharing ballots today. So I'm not just like the co-host here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I am a panelist today, and I will give some transparency and let you all know my ballot and how I'm feeling about the voting cycle, about the votes this year. So without further ado, let me introduce our panel for today. And I have an icebreaker question, too. So I'm going to introduce them. My icebreaker question, I asked this last panel, last roundtable, and got some interesting responses. I haven't asked these to this question. I don't think. So...Track 2:[3:15] I want to ask which current cast member, not including Kenan Thompson, because that's the obvious one. Kenan's an SNL Hall of Famer. So not including Kenan Thompson, who on the current cast could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday? So that's going to be the little icebreaker question. Get a little peek into the mindset of our panel today. So my first guest, Ashley Bauer, SNL super fan. My guest for Kate McKinnon this year. Ashley did such a great job. And Ashley, thank you so much for joining us today here on the roundtable. How are you? Good. Good to see and talk to you again. Excited to be back. Yeah, this is great. So which current cast member, not including Kenan, that's the obvious one, could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday?Track 2:[4:03] So I thought about this and I went back and forth between two, but I think my vote's going to ultimately go to Bowen Yang. I'm going to have to give it to Bowen. And I think he kind of came out of the gate, you know, really with a bang. And he's really been in some pretty epic and memorable sketches already. And I kind of think he's a jack of all trades. And it's rare that he's in something I'm not dying of laughter in. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Bowen. Bowen's like Mr. Charisma. He really is. I love the iceberg weekend update sketch that he did. That was a really great performance. It's like one of the most memorable things that I can think of that Bowen's done. He's just a very likable person, a lot of charisma. Bowen Yang, Ashley could see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday. That's awesome. All right, so also with us is my partner in crime on the Pop Culture 5 podcast. He also is co-host of the Bigger Than the Game podcast. He's just podcasting all over the place.Track 2:[5:07] He's everywhere. And he was my guest for Tracy Morgan. this season on the SNL Hall of Fame. So I'm welcoming Mr. Deremy Dove to the proceedings. Deremy, how are you? I'm good, man. Always a pleasure to talk SNL and SNL Hall of Fame with you guys. So I'm honored to be on. Yeah, you're one of our go-to guests for the SNL Hall of Fame. Your insights are always so great. So welcome. You've been on for Dick Ebersole. You were on for Adam McKay and this year for Tracy Morgan, which was an interesting one. I think we did Tracy Justice with kind of a more loose sort of format I think Tracy would have wanted it that way I agree I agree absolutely yeah that was fun so who on the current cast not including Keenan could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame uh like like Ashley said it was there's a few who I was going back and forth with but I I went with James Austin Johnson um as my pick I think he um.Track 2:[6:02] He really brings, I love the impressions he does, and he kind of fits that mold of like what I think of. I think of just like what you need to make a great SNL cast member. He has that design. I feel I get like some Daryl Hammond kind of feels from him. I just really love what James Austin Johnson can bring to the table. And I see him. I don't know if he's going to be like the big star, but he's that person when we have rankings in a few years. It's going to be like, we'll be surprised. We'll be like, oh, James Austin Johnson, he's a Hall of Famer. He's a top whatever cast member of all time. So he's who I pick as like that future Hall of Famer for the current cast. I could see that.Track 2:[6:44] He's not just, so he started obviously with his Trump and Biden impressions. And I think he got hired on the strength of that. But he's not just an impressionist. I think he's filling out a lot of important kind of glue guy types of roles. He's kind of branching out and not just being an impressionist. Right, right. Yeah, he plays the dad role really well, kind of the everyday. Because I could see maybe a little bit of Phil Hartman in him, too. Yeah, it's big. In that ways. I mean, Phil's personally one of my top three cast members of all time. So I don't think James is on that tier. But I think there's elements of Phil Hartman that I can see in James. Yeah, I think he's a glue, like you said, a glue guy. And I and I feel like especially those if you're listening to the show or you vote for the SNL Hall of Fame, you're probably a big fan. We all know how important the glue people are to an SNL cast. And I think he fits that role very well. Yeah. What do you think, Ashley? James Austin Johnson's trajectory?Track 2:[7:42] I had to laugh because that was actually who I went between. I was going between whether or not I wanted to vote for Bowen Yang or James Austin Johnson. So I am right there with you, Deremy. I agree. I think he's so versatile. You're right. He definitely evokes some of the greats in the past. He has that, Tom, you said charisma for Bowen. I think James Austin Johnson does too. He just has this swagger every time he's in a sketch. And yeah, he can play just a side character or the main character. Or he can do an impression yeah i was really close to voting for him but um ultimately went with bowen obviously but 1000 agree yeah good solid choices i think i could see in a few years we could be looking up and seeing heidi gardner having the hall of fame kind of resume she has talent she's a hall of fame talent i think she needs to get maybe a couple more seasons have some more good sketches she's very good on weekend update i think that's a lot of times where she's shines is coming on weekend update and doing kind of off the wall but sometimes relatable.Track 2:[8:46] Characters heidi so i can definitely see heidi forming a case uh dark horse it's for me and he's been awesome i think he's my mvp of season 49 is andrew just mugs honestly yeah he has and he has his own lane on the show too it's almost like a will forte ish kind of lane like andrew he has a more offbeat kind of sense of humor than a lot of the cast and i think he's all of my My favorite pieces from this current season 49 have been Andrew Dismuke's pieces, quite frankly. So I see maybe Andrew a little bit of a dark horse, but I wouldn't be surprised if he if he continues what he's doing this season. We could be possibly making a case for Andrew Dismuke. So those are a couple of people that I wanted to shout out.Track 2:[9:29] So how this SNL Hall of Fame voting is going to work every season. The voters have up to 15 votes that they can use. Voters can use one vote if they'd like. I don't know why they would, but maybe that's, you know, they're very hardcore and stringent and they only think one person deserves to be in the SNL Hall of Fame each season. Though from looking at the ballot, that would just mean like, I think you're an SNL Grinch or something and you might be shamed if you just come on here and say you're just using one vote. I don't know. So I'm curious, how many votes, Jeremy, are you leaning toward using today? I'm using all 15. All 15. All 15. I think there's some easy slam dunk people to put in, and there's a lot of people who I don't want to knock the SNL family, the SNL fan base, but I'm just like, why are these people still on the ballot? And this is a shame, and I'm going to stick up for it. I'm going to continue to do it. So I got all 15. Jeremy's going to be an advocate. Awesome. All 15, the opposite of a Grinch. Good job, my man. Yes, yes, yes. Ashley, how many votes are you using?Track 2:[10:39] I'm going to copy Deremy again. I'm using all 15. I found it difficult to keep it at 15, to be honest. And there was one that I realized wasn't on the list. And so I had to unfortunately kind of kick somebody off to make sure this person got on my ballot. But yeah, again, a lot of great, so much talent over the years. And I'm going to fight for them too. All right. So both Jeremy and Ashley are using 15. Coming in, I have 13 locks. So what I'm doing right now is I have 13 on my list that I feel are locks for me. But I have two that are open. So I think my goal here, one of my goals here on this roundtable is to be persuaded maybe as to how I'm going to use those final two votes. Votes so 13 i have locked in but you dare me you ashley you could persuade me you can make the case for maybe somebody that i don't have on my list and as to why they should be in the eston hall of fame so if there's anybody that's a grinch it seems like it's uh it might be me more so than ashley and dare me but it's strategic grinch it's it's i'm utilizing strategery on the round.Track 2:[11:52] Well done yes uh so then i'm gonna name the nominees and then we'll get to it just to refresh everybody's memory uh on who the nominees are uh this season on the snl hall of fame uh in the cast member category we have 13 cast members first time nominees rachel dratch will forte taryn killam kate mckinnon tracy morgan lorraine newman and adam sandler returning to the ballot We have Fred Armisen, Vanessa Baer, Ana Gasteyer, and Chris Parnell. And their final time on the ballot.Track 2:[12:32] Maya rudolph and molly shannon so that means if maya and molly don't get voted in in this cycle they're off the ballot so i know jeremy's shaking his head what a shame i can't believe it i know i know it's the will of the people i don't know what to say that's true that's true so for the host category there's 12 on the ballot first time nominees john ham and hathaway and martin short returning to the ballot but not for their final time candace bergen jim carrey buck henry scarlett johansson and paul rudd final time on the ballot for these folks melissa mccarthy john mulaney emma stone and justin timberlake we'll see if emma stone she's been on the ballot since snl hall of fame season one she just became a five-timer here in season 49 we'll see if that That helps bumper up as far as making the SNL Hall of Fame. So I'm curious about that. Musical guests. There's one first-time nominee. That's Pearl Jam. Great episode with Ryan McNeil. I love doing that Pearl Jam episode. Returning to the ballot, we have David Bowie, Dave Grohl, and Lady Gaga.Track 2:[13:43] On the ballot for the final time, Paul McCartney, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and Prince. So those are the musical guests, which is always a fascinating category to me, musical guests. And we'll probably get into that and your philosophies behind musical guests and the SNL Hall of Fame as well. Writers, there's eight writers on the ballot. First-time writers, John Mulaney. So yes, you heard him as a host. John Mulaney is also on the ballot as a writer. So when we did the draft, I believe it was Matt Ardill who said, let's, you know, John Mulaney is a great host. But he's also known for a writer. Let's put him on the ballot as a writer, too, and just kind of see what happens. So Mulaney's on the ballot for the first time as a writer, as is Julio Torres.Track 2:[14:28] Returning is Jack Handy, Adam McKay, Paul Lappel, Herb Sargent, and Rosie Schuster. Final time on the ballot for Frankenden Davis and Michael O'Donohue. So the writer's always interesting, again, to me. And one producer on the ballot, Dick Ebersole, which Jeremy and I did an episode on. I believe back in season three. Yes. Yeah. So Dick Ebersole on the ballot still here on the SNL Hall of Fame. So with that said, let's reveal those ballots, those votes. So I'm going to start with Deremy to kick things off. Who's the first person, Deremy, you want to talk about who you're voting for? Well, I just think you guys did a great episode on this person. And if there's the biggest lock or just slam dunk for the Hall of Fame, SNL Hall of Fame, it's this person. And let's just get her out the way because it's just so obvious. But Kate McKinnon, I think it's just, we're looking at somebody who.Track 2:[15:32] Is a top 10, maybe top five cast member of all time. And we're almost at 50 year history of the show. And someone, I heard you guys talk about just, just a prodigy and just from day one, you're just like, you know, and for me, I get nervous with that because I'm always like, oh, this person shows so much promise and you start thinking, can they be a great, but there's so many great names in SNL history. You don't want to put that pressure, but Kate McKinnon lived up to deliver and exceeded all these expectations. And when I think of SNL in the decade of the 2010s, she's the first name that comes to my mind. So I figured let's just the number one slam dunk on this list to me, Kate McKinnon. Yeah, the most recent cast member on the ballot. Season 47 was her final season, and she went through the waiting period for the SNL Hall of Fame on the ballot this year. I wonder if there's going to be some sort of recency bias maybe against Kate, because she's so recent, and maybe some people feel like they need to put others ahead of Kate in the Hall of Fame. I mean, that's the only reason that I could think of as to why somebody would not vote for her. Because I agree with you, Jeremy. I think she's a slam dunk. Definitely on my ballot. I assume, Ashley, you were my guest for Kate McKinnon. I assume Kate's on your ballot.Track 2:[16:56] I feel like I could call myself a Kate fan. And my entire podcast should have been thrown away if I didn't put Kate on my ballot. So, yeah, she was actually my number one. I think, Jeremy, you and I are on the same wavelength. We're twins. We're SNL twins.Track 2:[17:09] Yes. So, I was going to come out of the gate strong with Kate, too. And, yeah, like, I was worried about that, too, was, yeah, is she too, quote, unquote, young? Is she still too junior? We were kind of talking about, you know, are we putting people up with, you know, people like Phil Hartman and all these kind of big greats. But I think she is up there already. I think she has proved herself to be a name that will forever echo the halls of Saturday Night Live with the impact that she's had. Yeah, and I can't imagine, you know, don't sleep on her just because we think she's going to sit on this ballot for a little bit. Like, I think she's she deserved it for sure. Yeah, I definitely agree. And I know some people have a philosophy of deciding whether somebody's a first ballot or not. I've always been of the mind, even in sports halls of fame, that if somebody's a Hall of Famer, they're a Hall of Famer. And I don't think there should be tiers as far as first ballot Hall of Fame. And to me, if they're a Hall of Famer, they're a Hall of Famer. And I don't look at them as like, I don't separate the Hall of Fame into tiers like that. Some people do. I think Kate's, even if somebody does separate into tiers, I think Kate's a quote-unquote first ballot Hall of Famer, even if somebody is strict like that. To me, she's almost comfortably in the top 10 all-time cast members.Track 2:[18:28] For me and i hope i hope as the years go along that people really have an appreciation for what she did on the show i know there were a lot of maybe hardcore snl fans toward the end of her tenure who were like oh we need some new blood i'm kind of sick of kate and that's unfortunate because we didn't know how good we had it with kate honestly apparently some people didn't know because she's an all-timers all-timer so that's just kind of where i stand so jeremy i'm curious i don't know if we've talked about this do you separate halls of fame in general into like Like, if somebody's a first ballot, if somebody's not? No, I don't have, like, the tier list. Like, I don't do, like, oh, you're on tier one. But there are in SNL Hall of Fame or in Sports Hall of Fame, there are names that are, like, you can just say their name and there's, like, enough said. And, like, you know, you stand up and you sit down. And there's some Hall of Famers where you have to have a discussion more and, you know, talk about it and you might have some debate. And I understand there's, like, both. But once they're in, there's no separation. You're a Hall of Famer. But there's some where it's like, you know, in the NFL, if I say Tom Brady, and if someone goes, really, I'm not sure about him, I'd be like, what's wrong with you? And, you know, Kate McKinnon's like on that level.Track 2:[19:40] It's like if someone's like, I don't know. I'd be like, really? You don't know about Kate McKinnon? Like, it's going to be a long day. So it's like Kate McKinnon's just, you just got to say her name, and then you sit back down. Exactly. No, I'm with you. I'm going to suck up to Ashley here and say Kate McKinnon's like Tim Duncan. In the nba like tim duncan ashley's his first fans oh okay nice tim tim duncan is like you say tim duncan it's like oh he's like a top 10 all-time great nba player like for sure hall of fame like he's on that first tier of hall of famer so to me kate mckinnon's like a tim duncan yeah like it's just a no-brainer like that absolutely and ashley like did a raise the roof there so i'm on her good side i i think my love for saturday night live may be tied with my love for the san antonio spurs it's really close i'm quite a fan girl when it comes to both so yeah tom could not have picked a better reference for me exactly and i'm jealous you get to follow victor wimpy llama same year how many years she's so lucky with the spurs, I was really happy that draft day, for sure. Oh, I bet. So, Deremy, Kate McKinnon, all three of us have Kate McKinnon on our ballots. Ashley, I want to go to you. Who do you want to start with?Track 2:[20:56] The next person I had right after Kate McKinnon on my list that I want to put on my ballot is Maya Rudolph.Track 2:[21:03] Again, I think she's another name. You say her name and it's no question. Profession the the breadth and the depth of talent that she had while on that show i i think was unmatched and i don't think there's been anyone like maya since on the show that's been able to kind of hold the candle to what she was able to do um i mean vocally she could do any of the you know finger impressions and and give us either you know song parodies um but she could also just really own and commit to being silly and ridiculous um but comes to mind is the sketch that she did with kristin wig where they're the prize girls on the on the game show and kate's you know driving around in the golf cart and they're just acting ridiculous and there's a lot of breaking and again i'm sure lauren wasn't too pleased with it but you could get these really serious impressions like beyonce out of maya but then also these just ridiculous ditzy dumb you you know, physical comedy, throw yourself type of sketches from her. And I think she's definitely, you know, she belongs in this hall of fame. Yeah. Well said. I think we've talked a little bit about Maya. Jeremy, is this the, one of the ones you've been upset about over the last few seasons? Yes, Ashley. I don't know what it is. We're on the same page. I'm going to say this. I think Maya Rudolph is the most.Track 2:[22:26] Under appreciated underrated cast member in the history of snl and i think it's crazy i to me i think she's top 10 but at most i'll give someone top 15 like cast member of all time um i think and maybe that's like a people have that sexist view could we say glue guy so we think of just like phil hartman dan akroyd no to me it's a glue person because my rudolph I think maybe the only glue person I think of more than her is a Phil Hartman, in my opinion. I just think, like what Ashley said, the versatility, what she was able to do, how unique she was, where before or since there's not a talent that Saturday Night Live has seen like her. And I think it's a travesty that she's been on this ballot for so long. So absolutely Maya Rudolph. off.Track 2:[23:17] Jeremy, you could partly blame me for some of that because I have been one of those people that's a little on the fence about Maya. And I know that's one of the things that you and I probably disagree about the most. Absolutely. As far as us in the Hall of Fame. And Ashley wants to throw a tomato at me right now, I think. And I love Maya. I love Maya.Track 2:[23:37] I'll watch anything that she pops up. If she's on a podcast, she was just on Dax Shepard's podcast. And I made sure that moved up in the queue. you like i wanted to listen to maya on dax's podcast like i absolutely love maya and i landed on why i was on the fence about it in the beginning and i talked this over we did actually a relitigation episode with rebecca north she came on and advocated for maya and i think for me i think maya was in the wrong era i think the the type of humor that was around when maya was on the cast probably in the early 2000s. I don't think it really fit the skill set that she had. I think she was honestly better than a lot of the material that was on the show around that time. I think if she was on the show early 90s, or even if she got to be more part of the cast in the other Golden Era from about 2007, I know she overlapped a little bit, but I would have liked to see her move on into like 2012 and you know i think she left the cast a little too soon before it really gelled and blossomed so i just think a lot of the material a lot of this the humor in the early 2000s.Track 2:[24:49] I always felt like it was a little edgelordy it was just weird all around like we were in a weird time in the country and just in comedy in general and i think the humor was just kind of off in the early 2000s and i didn't and i think that that didn't cater to to what made maya truly great I always love watching her on screen, but there was always something missing, but I think I landed on that it wasn't her fault. Really?Track 2:[25:15] You know, what gets me is like a lot and not this isn't at you, Thomas, but a lot of people look at the ladies of that era with Maya as like really breaking through the boys club of Saturday Night Live. And Maya was a big part of that.Track 2:[25:28] And the other women to me get talked about so much more than her when I think she was the best of those ladies who broke through, which is always kind of weird and conflicting for me where it's like there was great women on SNL before. But you know they had to fight that boys club and then it's like that's the era where it's like oh like the ladies broke through but then they leave maybe like one of the biggest pieces or the biggest piece off that list when we're talking about we give amy polar love and everybody like we don't give maya rudolph so it always kind of confuses me yeah i can agree with that what do you think about that ashley oh gosh yeah i can't imagine anybody being on the fence about maya rudolph um i think you saw my jaw hit the floor um because yeah it was oh yeah we talked you know jeremy.Track 2:[26:13] You talked about the glue person i think she could have been in every sketch and she held it together she always brought something to it even if she wasn't the star of that sketch or wasn't bringing her main like impressions um to it and again i know on my kate podcast i talked about you know to me when i think of somebody in the hall of fame for saturday night live is you know does their talent take them beyond the show and again look at her i mean she's still making amazing stuff and i i do i see where you're coming from tom a little bit when you're talking about um you know it not being her fault i can see that i think had she stayed and gotten to do a little bit more with like tina fey and annie puller she was like kind of in this weird she She wasn't on too long before they left.Track 2:[26:59] But then kind of also left herself not long after like Kristen wig and stuff was there, you know, only overlapped a little bit with those. I think she was kind of a little bit in between where it really would have catapulted her to a little bit more star power. Had she had a little bit, you know, better chemistry to meld with, but I loved her every second she was on the show. I loved every sketch that she was in. Um, huge fan of her impressions, of course, who I thought she was really good at it.Track 2:[27:32] Yeah, I'm trying to like, I'm a lawyer in my day job and I'm totally failing right now because I'm like, how do I advocate and convince Tom to put Maya on this ballot? Well, I will say that she's one of my locks. So Maya's on my ballot as a lock. So and I think I think she's going to get in this time around. But I had to have a sort of epiphany as to why I didn't 100 percent connect with Maya like everybody else. And it was like a goodwill hunting thing. I had to look at Maya and say, it's not your fault. And then she's in the SNL Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. So I'm writing my previous wrong and putting her as a lock on my ballot. And I think it's going to happen for her. I think she's going to get in this time around. That's just my gut feeling. I hope so. Yeah, I think you'll be fine. I will withdraw my objection. I apologize, Tyler. I've apologized. I've done all of, I think, the right thing here and admitted my error. And arrived at a proper conclusion, I think. So Maya Rudolph is on all three of our ballots here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I'm curious. I'll stick with you, Ashley. I'm curious as to who you want to talk about next. So this is a name that I am shocked is still on the ballot.Track 2:[28:51] That she hasn't been voted into the Hall of Fame yet. I got to go with Molly Shannon. Yeah, I think I talked a little bit on on my episode about, you know, what really made me fall in love with Saturday Night Live. And again, I think, you know, there's a few other names from her era that are on my ballot, too, that I won't bring up yet. But again.Track 2:[29:12] I mean, Mary Catherine Gallagher, just how can you not put Mary Catherine Gallagher in the Hall of Fame? She's a superstar. It's literally on her name. Well said. Yeah, she's on my ballot. So Molly Shannon is one of those. And similar to Maya Rudolph, this is her last year on the ballot. So if she doesn't get in, she's just off the ballot.Track 2:[29:33] So I have her as a lock. So that's one of my other locks. Um daramie uh molly shannon uh what are you what's your feeling on molly oh absolutely a lock um and and i agree with you guys i agree with ashley like she should have she should have been in i'm always going to give love for those cast members and writers who bridge a gap at a really tough time in snl history when i know like we all know the stuff like every year saturday night dead and blah blah blah and it's like okay but there's certain points in the show's history where it was really at a shaky point and on the rocks and she came midway through that awful 94 95 season and stayed on one of the few people who stayed on and really helped bring in a new transition with that fall of 95 96 cast and just the different characters the way she just jumped into the bazaar and didn't hold back and could you know have mary katherine gallagher but just really brought such a weird uncomfortable character to the mainstream and she was able to do that time and time again on this show uh definitely a hall of famer for.Track 2:[30:44] Yeah that's both of you said everything i think especially like she i think mary catherine gallagher on the snn they did a character count and i think mary catherine gallagher finished top five i want to say and that that's that's molly shannon's work her physicality is something.Track 2:[31:01] That i think everybody will always mention probably to her detriment like you watch some of those sketches back and she probably will admit like yeah she could have heard like she probably shouldn't have done that necessarily like i bet the producers on the show and writers and stuff like what are you doing like you don't have to like totally throw yourself through this table or wall or so i think she did a little damage to her body but she sacrificed herself for the good of the show and for our entertainment and she's just so wonderful and she has a really great memoir called hello molly uh i don't know if you have ever if you have a chance to read it i don't you need to pick that up Ashley if you haven't it's so good it's in my it's in my to read list right now for sure I admit I got a little bit sidetracked by some other kind of book talk recommendations that I very cliche got into but it is downloaded it is in my queue I've been dying to read it and yeah yeah you were talking about her physicality and I think what I loved about her too is we haven't seen a female comedian do physical comedy to the extreme like chris farley did you know when i think of extreme physical physical comedy to their actual physical real detriment you know obviously um you know chris farley would chug you know i don't even know how much like caffeine or espressos to get into that you know really hyper mindset in addition to you.Track 2:[32:31] Know, throwing himself through walls and tables.Track 2:[32:34] I loved that a female comedian would do that. And it was, I can be just as funny as the men who do this. And it's not improper. It's not inappropriate.Track 2:[32:43] She nailed it. I think it worked for her. And you're right. She did have so many quirky characters that I feel like other comedians who came after her tried to do, you know, they tried to bring that kind of weird and unique humor, but it didn't really land, or at least I didn't really get it. First person that comes to mind is Kyle Mooney. I apologize to Kyle Mooney fans, but he was just somebody that I couldn't really understand.Track 2:[33:11] I applauded his attempt and because, you know, comedy is so subjective and there's something out there for everybody. But I think Molly was that weird kind of quirky as a weird, quirky girl, awkward, you know, growing up, I was like, Oh, I feel seen like people can laugh with her and not at her. And that was really, really awesome to see. Do we have a Kristen Wiig or Kate McKinnon without Molly Shannon? Yeah, she's a trailblazer. Yeah, exactly.Track 2:[33:42] And I'm looking at Molly's trajectory as far as voting, and she started off at 34% after season one, and she's climbed to 47, 54, and then 57 last time around. So she just needs that last kind of push to get into the Hall of Fame. And with Maya, she started off at 47, and then she's been at 57, 58, and 58 the last few times. So I think both Molly and Maya both hovering around like the 57 to 58 percent of the vote mark. This is their last time. I think Molly's going to get into that's my gut feeling as well. I think the fact that I think voters will look at it and say that Molly and both Molly and Maya deserve it. And they've been on the cusp. They've been so close. And again, I blame myself for Maya. I've voted for Molly in the past. So I'm off the hook as far as Molly goes. But I would love to see both of them get into the SNL Hall of Fame. So we've had agreements on Kate McKinnon, Maya Rudolph, and Molly Shannon, three great cast members. Jeremy, I'm wondering who you have as far as non-cast members.Track 2:[34:53] Yeah, that's actually where I was going to go next because I'm like, you know what, let's just get weird on this roundtable. Let's get weird. Let's get weird. and I'm gonna go with this person and I'll be honest Thomas and, you know have listened to snl hall of fame since season one and usually when i'm listening the the conversation's great and you kind of lean me either way i'm thinking either where i'm like yeah they're hall of famer they're already just you're proving that or i don't think so and you're kind of going that way never have i been more conflicted listening than to the michael o'donohue episode where you had brad and gary on and i'm driving around and i'm going yeah and then right away. Then the next, someone makes a point and I go, no, he's not a hall of famer. Then I'm like, but yeah, he is. And I was just back and forth, like, and I'm like, I really don't know.Track 2:[35:40] And so I thought about it a lot, but I I'm going to vote them in. Okay. And I can understand if people don't, but I'm going to go there because of when the show started and, you know, because we've been making sports references, I'm going to keep that train going. You know, the dynasty docu-series just happened with the Patriots. And of course when you look at the Patriots dynasty there's a lot of players coaches, administrators who are a part of it but the big three like headed leadership Robert Kraft Bill Belichick, Tom Brady. When you look at the first year SNL the three headed leadership it was Lorne Chevy Chase and Michael O'Donohue and Michael really did if you listen to a lot of people that original those first five years You know, Saturday Night Live brought an edge. It was cool. It was hip. It was something that TV in the 70s hadn't seen yet. And who really helped to bring that sensibility was Michael O'Donoghue. And he's also done things, especially in the early 80s, that really could hurt the show. So I understand the negative, but I feel like his positives do outweigh the negatives, which is why I kind of went with he should be voted on. And he was a part of that original crew and I feel like everyone who was a part of the first season in my opinion should Be in the Hall of Fame just because you were a part of the foundation and you started this.Track 2:[37:05] Huge franchise that will stay in pop culture forever, no matter how long the show is on or when it goes off. So I vote for Michael O'Donohue. It's interesting that you bring up O'Donohue because I've, I put him on and then took him off. Like I alternated just so many over the last few days. I was like, nah, I don't know Don Hugh. And then I thought, and then I would think about what Brad and Gary said. I'm like, well, those are good points. I'll put them on. And then I took him off again. As of right now, Now he's not one of my 13 locks and he was one of the ones where I could be persuaded for him to end up on my final ballot. He went actually, I think Brad and Gary did a really great job of advocating for Michael O'Donohue because he went from 11% of the vote after season three to barely, like barely staying on the ballot. He got 35% last year. So that was quite the jump for Michael O'Donohue. I have, I don't know. It's just some, I don't know if it's just his, his persona or something like the, the, the edgy bordering on mean material that he possibly wrote that sometimes rubs me the wrong way. But, but I, I, I definitely grant like how important he was, uh, to the show. Uh, Ashley, it was Michael O'Donoghue, somebody that you've been maybe considering, uh.Track 2:[38:20] He is not on my ballot actually. And yeah, it was one of those things where I totally agree with you, Jeremy. He, I mean, he was part of that first season and I, I do agree with your statement that anyone from that first season because of what they created and what we have now is because of them. Um, but again, I wasn't a huge fan of, of his, some of his sketches were, I don't know, maybe it's just cause they didn't age well looking back at them. Um, but I do have a few writers on my ballot for sure. Um, and he just didn't land in one of my top favorites. Um, so. Yeah. He, uh, looking at his sketches, like, so this will be have like the, the good and the bad of it. Like he wrote Godfather therapy with, uh, Belushi Belushi, which was awesome. He wrote the last voyage of the starship enterprise, which I think is one of the better sketches of those early five seasons. Absolutely. Both of those. Yeah. Yeah, those are great. Norman Bates' School of Motel Management was awesome.Track 2:[39:18] I even liked the, he had a weird concept of the attack of the atomic lobsters that was like, I think O'Donohue's sense of humor kind of reigned in a little bit. Then like you have things like the Needle, the Needles Impressionist, where he just said like, here's my impression of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir with needles stuck in their eyes. And he would just like yell he would like mind putting needles in his eyes and just yell so it's just kind of interesting uh but again Jeremy he's not like totally off my ballot it's just something that I have to like keep thinking about well don't get me wrong like I so personally I agree with you guys like there's a lot of things that I'm like uh it doesn't I mean there's some sketches he wrote that hits me it's a lot that don't but I have to take myself out of it and look back on what, for our parents' generation, what TV was like in 1975.Track 2:[40:14] And we look at it like, we look at the late 60s into the 70s, music and movies were ahead of the game, where they reflected what society was doing. TV was dead last. And I think about what really changed TV. I think of, number one, like Norman Lear and his sitcoms, and then, number two, like when Saturday Night Live premiered. So like him doing like the needles in the eye, like it's not, I don't laugh at it, but like at that point, TV was so far behind. That was just bizarre to see on television where you're used to seeing, you know.Track 2:[40:47] Green Acres and Mr. Ed, you know, not that long before. And that was like, that's what you got. And then even like in late night, it was Johnny Carson.Track 2:[40:55] So then it's like, you're getting this and just this sensibility. That's just, whoa, like the counterculture is taking over NBC for an hour and a half on Saturday nights. Like it was very different for that generation, which is why I had to take myself and my personal taste out of it and look like that was different for that time. Totally no i agree i mean that's that's why he's still kind of like i might be persuaded honestly he might end up on my list of 15 i'm trying i'm trying i know yeah you're very persuasive you do that on our other pod too on pop culture five you always kind of like get me on your side yeah so and michael donahue was the first person to appear on camera on snl like just a little like historical fun fact the first person that we see on snl it was michael o'donohue and that wolverine sketch so but Jeremy has Michael O'Donohue Ashley's probably a no I'm a maybe at this point Ashley you said that you had a writer or a couple writers I'm curious if you want to reveal one of those yeah so I have four writers actually um and I I gotta go with my girl Paula Pell brilliant just absolute brilliance like she is my comedy um I if I saw her on the street I might might die just like i would next to kate and tina fey but i think because we got paula pell like in the era of tina fey to such strong writers at the same time we got such great stuff out of them.Track 2:[42:25] Um and again i keep repeating myself but what they've been able to do beyond the show as well, you know like conan o'brien when he was on and what he's been able to do afterwards because he had such talent i think paul is the same way and she kind of stays in the you know she doesn't really take that limelight that I feel like she deserves she's kind of I think happy to be a writer and not necessarily take those starring roles but when she does you know come in and do even just like a supporting actress I sign me up I'm gonna see it every single day any chance I get to see Paula Pell and again I think what she was able to do with around that time with Tina was pushing again we talked about Jeremy you said um breaking the boys club not just for the the comedians we saw on TV, but I think that's what Paula and Tina were doing in the writers room was they were trying to break up that boys club, and again say women are funny too and we can be silly and ridiculous and I think even bringing in the.Track 2:[43:21] You know, the topical humor of calling stuff out and making it funny, though, like bringing up issues in a way that made everybody laugh instead of making them uncomfortable. So we could talk about it and kind of understand it and see it. And I think she was such a trailblazer for it. Yeah, she was one of the minds behind some of the great recurring sketches of that era. She was she was behind the cheerleaders and other just really big recurring sketches like that. She was like you could you definitely felt her voice in that era. And it meshed well with, like you said, Will Ferrell, Sherry O'Terry, and all of those. And she has Girls 5, Ebba. That's kind of like the thing that she's involved with right now. Paula Pell. Deremy, I'm curious before I kind of – because I have a little situation here with Paula Pell and another writer that I might want to hash out. But, Deremy, I want to get your thoughts on Paula Pell. Oh, she's on my list. That's a slam dunk.Track 2:[44:17] Should have been in for a writer. She's the first ballot. Hall of Famer in my opinion um I talked about you know with Molly Shannon those who helped really re like revigorate and save the show in like the fall of 95 we talk about the people on screen you always give credit to those behind the camera and like the writers Paula Pell's one of those people and you mentioned I mean from like the cheerleaders to Debbie Downer to Justin Timberlake in the omelette ville like so that's like over different years she's doing these memorable characters and like writing these great sketches um and just someone you know that lauren trusted you know like i think ashley great point like how huge was it for when tina fey became the first female head writer that having a paula pell there like i'm sure that was like a big help and i just think she's getting this just due now because like in the public eyes because of girls five ever but like.Track 2:[45:16] Maybe it's by design. I know she was behind the scenes, but to me, she's one of those writers who should have always been talked about up there with a Smigel, a Jack Handy, all those people. She's that great. She's a slam dunk for me. me yeah it seems like if you ask somebody who worked at snl around that time they would tell you that paula pell was probably the funniest person yeah in the building so that's kind of the that's the reputation that she had uh and by the way if you listen to wtf with mark maron paula pell was a recent guest yes on and she was great she's hilarious she's so likable love paula pell that was a really great interview she did with mark maron um paul is not a lock on my list and she's honestly one like that I'm not discounting and I wanted to hash it out because I don't know I have another writer that might be a little I'm gonna take controversial but a lot of people might tell me might urge me to put Paula Pell in ahead of him for many reasons I want to hash out as to whether I should swap out Paula Pell for this person or if I should add Paula Pell to my list and keep this person so i want to kind of dive into i have julio torres.Track 2:[46:25] On on my list and i and i didn't think that i didn't think that was i was gonna feel that way heading into the season but then i started looking at the sketches that he wrote and his unique voice and i know the one limiting factor is he was only on the show for he was only a writer on the show for like three seasons but some of the stuff that julio did i mean he he was behind uh papyrus which we saw a second installment papyrus 2 now the actress with emma stone he uh he also wrote wells for boys which was another wonderful emma stone pre-tape he wrote a lot of really great political things he had the melania moments his so you julio had just like such a clever unique voice at that time of the show i think he really stood out he had a really great one with With Lin-Manuel Miranda.Track 2:[47:18] Where Lin-Manuel Miranda played a character. That was like. He was in Montana or North Dakota or something. And he called his mom. Because he was an immigrant that called his mom. And was describing like how his life was. So like. Julio Torres' voice was just so unique. And to me he was almost like a comet. That came through SNL. And he made the show so great. But he just wasn't there. For a long time. Where somebody like Paula Pell was. Was and so i want i was wondering about like the merits of of julio torres in that should i i don't know ashley like should i move another rider a more of a legacy rider in front of him or like what do you what do you think about julio's contributions and then even like compared to somebody like paul appell.Track 2:[48:06] Yeah, I mean, and not to discount Julio Torres. Yeah, I loved his sketches. I thought they were hilarious. And I don't want to say that somebody doesn't deserve to be on a ballot just because they weren't on Saturday Night Live for I don't think there's a requisite amount of time. I think we could, you know, vote somebody in who was in for one season. Obviously, we've got some hosts on the ballot that aren't necessarily in the five timers club and things like that. But I think to me, the difference between if we're going to put Julio and Paula together is not just not that Paula was legacy because she was on for so long, but because of what her sketches did to, you know, move the show. Like Jeremy said, you know, taking it out of an era like she came in, I think, right at the right time to kind of rescue a drowning show and then continue to evolve it and stay relevant and kind of help us, you know, continue to keep SNL moving with the times.Track 2:[49:01] Whereas you know i mean i get papyrus and they just did you know part two a couple weeks ago is just genius um i think it should be nominated for like an emmy for a short or something but um yeah given the two i really think paula um i mean is julio again i hate i hate to do this but this isn't his last year on the ballot correct no and you're right no this is his first year actually so i mean that that plays a role yeah that plays a role too in the thought process i think yeah yeah so i i think you got to go with paula i really do i think and again julio he's also someone who continues to write um and doing great things for other shows you know that we still watch today and so definitely not to discount his humor what what he did um his sketches.Track 2:[49:50] But i'm biased i'm like i said i would fangirl over paula pell in the street so So yeah, you know where I stand. Yeah, I think Jeremy, the thing about Julio to me was like his batting average, putting in sports terms, like his batting average was just so high that it was hard for me to discount. He did so much in such a little time, like almost everything that he did was a hit for me. And to me, that plays a big role. Like, is it quantity or even if he was only on the show for three seasons, but his batting average is super high? Like, how do you weigh stuff like that? No, it's hard. I feel like you could have both on there, and I think that would solve it, but if you have to choose.Track 2:[50:31] Between one or the other, I would put Paula just because.Track 2:[50:35] A little bit of the longevity and what she did over different eras. So her batting average was, you know, it, you know, if you have someone who hit three 50 for three seasons and someone who hit three 25 for, you know, 15 seasons, like it's like, you know, I'm gonna go with that three 25 for 15 over three 50 for the three. So it's like, I have to weigh it like that. I'm probably gonna, you gotta, it's hard because like my, The guy who I look at is either, I go back and forth between first or second greatest cast members, Eddie Murphy. And he wasn't on very long, but what he did was amazing. So I hear you. It's tough. And I think with Julio bringing that different sensibility to a show and really bringing that diversity in a different mind, that's a great factor for him. But Paula did that too. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's just hard. Like if you have to pick one or the other, I would go with Paula, but it's a tough choice. Yeah. So I think all of that weighs into my thought process. I think, I think.Track 2:[51:40] I think it either come down for me to Julio or Paula, or you're right. I could, I could just put both of them on. I might have room to do that. It's all, I mean, nothing's set in stone right now. I just wanted to hash that out. Cause I think it's interesting. And Julio actually has a better case than I thought even like on the surface, you're like, okay, Julio Torres, like, you know, memorable, talented rider. But then you start looking at his work and it was like, oh my gosh, he might actually have a real case here. Like more so than I thought. So, uh, so I just wanted to hash that out. And I thought that was the perfect time to do it. But Paula Pell is one of the other ones where I was like, man, I love Paula Pell. And I was just considering that. So, yeah, thanks for – see, here, we're all learning something. And we're all kind of like – or at least I'm like kind of getting my thought process in order and maybe swayed a certain way. So, yeah, Deremy, I wonder what is next on your list.Track 2:[52:29] Another crime I'm trying to justify or undo on the SNL Hall of Fame. You came with anger, everybody. Deremy's just like – I'm just like, jeez. here we go i brought this per i think i was on the season three round table before and i nominated this person then and they're still on here but we're talking about you know because ashley you just brought up like host and we're talking about the og five-timer guy he was on 10 times in the first five years he was the person who suggested doing recurring sketches like to that to the original like cast like hey you should do that samurai thing again john like come on i mean it's classic when they did the samurai and belushi like by accident cuts him on the forehead and they're all wearing like the bandage you got to have buck henry on here the og the five timers club is such a known thing in the snl like pantheon and how do we not have the og of the five timers club in the snl hall of fame he should be a first ballot guy because he's one of those people.Track 2:[53:37] I think of him and Steve Martin, where people to this day get confused and say they were part of the original cast. Because that's how much they are a staple of that show. And so I'm just like, outside of maybe Steve Martin, to me there's no more important host than Buck Henry. So it's like, how is he not in the Hall of Fame yet? I don't know. I don't get it. But I'm going to do it again.Track 2:[54:04] Nominate and bring up buck henry for the snl hall of fame let's hopefully we get it right this time people yeah he's on he's a lock on my list too and and i voted for him in the past i think he's just so important to the show he's a 10 timer yeah but it's not just the quantity of like he he was solid like you watch every single one of his hosting gigs there's a reason why they asked him twice a year to come back and he always hosted the finale and it was just like i think the cast and the crew and the producers it was just like they knew they were in good hands with buck henry and they could throw stuff at him and he would he would be great in it he could he could lead a sketch he can just find like a role to kind of hang back and just be a supporting player i think buck just in synonymous with the show i mean he wrote the graduate uh and he was a great writer but people know him for snl like i think that's just as far as on screen especially like he they know him as like the guy who used to host SNL a bunch. And I think, yeah, I think Buck Henry needs to get in. So he's for sure on my list. I don't know how you feel about Buck Henry, Ashley, if we have to like persuade you or where do you stand on this?Track 2:[55:15] I don't, it wasn't a matter of not being persuaded that he deserved to be on it. I think just because I, like I said, at the beginning of this, I had such a hard time whittling my list down to my 15 votes. And that I, you know, have a little bit, you know, my bias is going to show through with my votes of, you know, kind of the more...Track 2:[55:37] Relatively recent um you know people i only have three hosts on my list actually, because again i had such a really hard time with it so i i had to give that spot to somebody else and i think it was kind of me selfishly hoping that somebody else like like you guys would push him through because i agree he believes or excuse me i agree that he deserves to be in the hall of fame um i'm not against it i don't think you have to convince me that he deserves it but you may have to convince me to take somebody else off my list if i'm going to put him on mine so a lot of it's like an era maybe kind of thing like uh buck henry's a more old timer maybe and so so so we're looking at like an era that more so like resonated with you possibly i will say this buck henry was on the ballot for the first time after season three so this is not his final year he's been.Track 2:[56:32] On twice before he went from 23 after season three to 48 so he made quite the jump so i think uh this being his third time on the ballot i wouldn't be surprised uh i would be a little surprised if he got in but i but i think he's gonna be one of those where it's like he's inching toward there so you have another couple seasons after this ashley to to write this wrong that might be made so yeah so this isn't totally the last chance for buck henry and i think that was the thing is you know there's so many greats from that original era that are in the hall of fame already that it was kind of a shock that he isn't on that list um because i mean like how do we get anywhere with it we are today without jane curtain gilda radner you know these ogs um that again like derry said started the show um they made us know what it is and yeah you're right.Track 2:[57:26] Literally you know wrote one of the greatest films of all time you know and then we're like oh no but his his work on snl don't worry about um you know the graduate um thing about snl so you're right i think next year i'll have an updated ballot okay okay so so we'll check back in next year i think if buck henry was more famous just in general in pop culture he would probably get in but he's He's just like a writer, a movie writer. So he just kind of like is under the radar. But I think if he was a little more famous, like Steve Martin or something like that, then I think Buck Henry would be in. So we'll see. I'm curious to see where Buck Henry lands this year. What host do you have, Ashley? So I actually, yeah, kind of going like a little bit more to an older era, I put Martin Short instead of Buck Henry as my vote for one of my hosts. Because, again, he's somebody else that I find synonymous with SNL.Track 2:[58:26] And, again, just that silly, quirky... You know, doesn't apologize for how he is or who he is or his comedy or anything. And even to this day, I mean, we saw him, you know, a couple of weeks ago with, with Kristen Wiggs episode and just still making, he made Lauren break. I mean, come on, like how, how epic is that when you make Lauren Michaels laugh at a sketch? I think that shows how great and how funny he actually is. Every time he's on, I get so happy.Track 2:[58:56] I think because of what he's been able to do, the fact that, yeah, he keeps coming back. As well we keep inviting him back no matter what um i mean they brought him back for kristen wig they brought him back for uh steve martin he's just somebody again it wasn't just a glue person but could you know steal the scene and steal the sketch no matter what he was in yeah just always a wildly entertaining person to watch martin short and he he hosted two all-time classic christmas episodes he has two of the better monologues i've ever seen i'm still teetering though i'm kind of on the fence he's not a lock for me but he's one of those where i just like kind of wanted to wait and see what other people said and i'll do some more thinking on so i didn't totally discount martin short he's in that michael o'donoghue paul appell range where i'm just like i don't know not not a lock for me but i want to see somebody make the case uh jeremy where do you stand on martin short he's a new on my list i don't i don't have him on mine um i think there There is no, in my lifetime, there's no more guaranteed lock to make a person laugh. If I have to pick someone in the world to save my life, like, I dare me, you can only survive if you pick someone to make me laugh.Track 2:[1:00:10] I'm Martin Shorts, like, he's on my Mount Rushmore, probably like number one. Like, he's just that naturally funny. Like, he's like the ultimate talk show person. and it makes sense he's the ultimate person to kind of fill in on SNL and to be there and to come on but I just don't I know he was on for the cast for that season that transition that Steinbrenner year I just still don't.Track 2:[1:00:34] When I think of Martin Short, I don't think of SNL with him. I know that's a part of his history, but I'm going to go to movies. I'm going to go to his talk show appearances. I'm going to go to other things. I'm not his, you know, not his relationship with Steve Martin. I'm not going to go to SNL. And I think that's why. But I still do believe like he's hilarious and he's funny. And I'm always glad when I see him there. But I don't think of him like, oh, as a host or as even a cast member. Like yeah he's one of those you know for our podcast essential people so that's why i don't have him on my list but i could be persuaded to like for sure but he's off mine he had more of a case after i after i re-watched some of his at least a couple of his episodes he had he had the episode there was one in the late 90s that was classic though his episode in 2012 when paul mccartney was the musical guest that's like a stone cold classic episode to me as well and his His monologues there were great. So when I watched specifically even those two episodes, I'm like, all right, yeah.Track 2:[1:01:35] I mean, he put in two amazing performances here. One thing that's interesting about him, too, is he has another, you know, in the 80s, he hosted with Chevy Chase and Steve Martin. And then he also co-hosted with Steve Martin. So some of his hosting gigs have been with other people as well where Martin wasn't totally featured. So I could see both sides. That's why I am kind of like he's still up in the air for me. But anything to add on that, Ashley?Track 2:[1:02:05] I think I'm going to steal your Maya Rudolph explanation. And I think Martin Short was, I think, the victim of being a cast member on a time where maybe his type of comedy or whatever the reason didn't mesh with everything else going on. And you're right, he wasn't on very long and he ended up doing much bigger things, after Saturday Night Live. But I think...Track 2:[1:02:29] The reason Lorne kept bringing him back was because he understood that maybe, the time that he was a cast member, maybe not have been the best time to have him shine, but recognizing his talent, his comedy, what he's able to do.Track 2:[1:02:45] And I think that's why I would vote for him as a host, as opposed to a cast member is you're right. Every time he came back to host, whether it was by himself or, or with, you know, the three amigos, I just, Just, it makes me wish that he would have been on. And sometimes it makes me forget that he wasn't on longer than he was.Track 2:[1:03:05] Because my brain has clicked and associated him so much with Saturday Night Live. And I think, too, just his association with all the other greats on SNL, I think, helped bring him along a little bit to that star power. But I think even without them, he can stand on his own. So and i should say too like uh for snl hall of fame purposes and how how it was set up a few years ago um we there are the categories technically so martin short isn't eligible as a cast member because he was only on for the one season that's why he's on host but it's up to each individual uh voter and it's just to what their criteria is so if they want to count his cat time as a cast member that's up to the voter uh technically it's just kind of his host hosting gigs that we're looking at, but that's interesting as far as... This is why we do these things, is kind of peek into the criteria of a certain individual. Like Jeremy brought up, Martin Short made his mark elsewhere other than SNL. And so there's all sorts of different factors, but I can definitely see Martin Short. I'm curious. This is his first year on the ballot, so I'm curious to see how voters feel about him. So this will definitely be interesting. Jeremy, I want to go back to you for your next pick. 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This week on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast we're joined by Ryan McNeil to discuss musical guests Pearl Jam.Transcript:[0:43] All right. Thank you so much, Doug Nance. It's me, J.D., and I am back in the.[0:49] SNL Hall of Fame for the SNL Hall of Fame podcast.Thank you so much for joining us this week, as you do each and every week.Now, I've been told that I'm not formal enough with my ask at the beginning, so please, wipeth those feets.[1:09] It's muddy out. For heaven's sake, we keep a clean floor here at the SNL Hall of Fame.The SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair where each episode we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest, or writer and add them to the ballotfor your consideration.Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity in the hall.That's how we play the game it's just that easy this week we are going to delve into the career of a musical guest and that is the seattle band that goes by the name pearl jam we are joinedby a repeat offender on the show our musical guru ryan mcneil and we're very pleased to have him back.Now, I'm going to walk down the hall and I'm going to talk to our friend Matt Ardill.Track 3:[2:15] Matthew, who you think you're going to talk about this week? Pearl Jam!Oh, the world's worst Pearl Jam impressions. Yeah, yeah. I lived through that.I guess, like, the 90s are just a blur.[2:32] Talk to me about Pearl Jam. Ranging from 5'7 for Eddie Vedder to 6'2 for Jeff Ament.They were formed in 1990 in Seattle, Washington, and are still performing to this day.Yeah. So Vedder originally claimed that the name came from his grandmother, Pearl, who made made a drug-laced jam, but he later admitted in a Rolling Stone interview that it was thatwas just made up. It was actually.Yeah, he does have a grandmother named Pearl, but the jam was just inserted after they went to a Neil Young concert and watched him just do extended jams for 20, 30 minutes of musicalimprovisation at the end of each song.So they were just like, you know, we'll call it Pearl Jam.So that's where the name actually comes from. Yeah, They were originally named after the basketball player Mookie Blaylock, but changed it after signing to Epic.While they officially have 11 studio albums, 23 live albums, and three compilation albums with 42 singles between 2000 and 2001.[3:38] They released 72 official bootlegs.So up until that date, they had encouraged their fans to bootleg because they've always always been pro their fans, fighting for their fans' rights with Ticketmaster and all of that.But during that tour, the Binaural Tour, they released a recording of each concert, their November 6th, 2001 Seattle show, hitting the 98 on the charts for rock albums.Now, they had some big supporters in those early days. They opened for U2 at the height of U2's fame in 1992 touring Europe for the Zeropa tour, which I can't think of any tour of U2that's more.[4:19] More diametrically opposed to Pearl Jam style than Zeropa. I agree.They do have some synchronicities in style, but like that's literally U2 doing like a Depeche Mode concert.It was just like, it was so weird.Vedder had refused to release Black as a single in 1992, despite the push by Epic.So DJs just decided to play it regardless, thus pushing it onto the number three of the Billboard Mainstream Rock Charts, even though it wasn't a single, which doesn't happen very often.In 1995, though, things kind of came full circle for the band when Neil Young partnered with Pearl Jam to release Mirrorball.So they got to work pretty early with one of their heroes.An environmentalist, Eddie, has the logo of Earth First, a stone hammer crossed with a monkey wrench tattooed on his leg.And the band has been very open with their activism, supporting freedom of choice environmentalism anti-bush protests and support for disaster victims one of the causes supported bythe band members is crohn's disease mike mccready who suffers from the disease after being diagnosed at 21 works to bring awareness of the disease and performs an annual concert forthe northwest chapter of crohn's and colitis foundation of America.[5:38] And lastly, during the song Oceans, they used a very non-traditional element for percussion because they just were too far away from a rental shop.So they decided to line up the fire extinguishers in the recording studio.And that is what the percussion section is for Oceans. That is great.Nice tidbit. Well, we'll see what happens with Pearl Jam.Right now, Now Thomas is sitting with Ryan McNeil and they are going to talk more about Pearl Jam and why they should be a part of the Hall of Fame.So I'm interested to hear that.Thomas is calling, calling. That one's a bit better. Take it away, Thomas.Track 4:[6:50] All right, J.D., Matt, thank you so much.Welcome, everybody, to another installment of the SNL Hall of Fame.I'm your co-host, Thomas Senna.Before we get started today, I actually want to give some recognition to someone who has been really helpful as far as me researching the podcast and everything.They go by Blood Meridian, and their SNL reviews have been really helpful in going back and getting sketch information and everything like that.So thank you, Blood Meridian.You can check out their reviews at bloodsnlreviews.com, a really great resource, really fun reviews.They review current episodes and episodes dating all the way back a few years.So thank you, Blood Meridian, for helping me and for helping this podcast.So today is our first musical guest of season five of the SNL Hall of Fame and for that I'm turning to our go-to person for our musical guest like I don't want to typecast you Ryan becauseI know you did Bill Murray with me but you're kind of my go-to musical guy.Have I got anybody in yet?[7:59] Um no but you should and you're still still trying i think i i think bill is bill i think bill is actually and i think but no bands that's what i'm saying like i've argued for some of my veryfavorite artists but it's a iconic performance just nothing so there's someone who's gonna get into a band or an artist it's gonna i hope so yeah i think it's gonna be you so ryan mcneil uhyou were my guest for dave grohl uh david bowie uh what is it what is it gonna have to take for dave grohl to be in by the way dave grohl to me like should be a slam dunk and he'sinching toward their ryan what are we gonna have to do i i mean i think he might have he might have to.[8:41] Play in front of the beatles and the rolling stones at the same time you know he's played with a beetle and with the stones but he's never played with both together so i'm like youknow You know, that's Ringo's got to be sick or something.And that's that's what's got to happen. And then maybe and then maybe, you know, apparently, apparently.Gosh, I mean, he appeared again with Foo Fighters this past season.It was a great episode with Nate Bargatze and and Dave was in more sketches.And he's so far out in front. It's like it may be one of those records that like never gets caught.Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. So I think we're going to get Dave Grohl in.I'm pushing for that. I think I think we're gonna get him in at some point nice But even though you haven't got any musical guests in I have I have you back, Yes, so so Ryan you're thehost of the matinee cast in which you discuss movies and whatnot and a recent episode Was about Sean Durkin's new movie the iron claw So be what a movie.Yeah, absolutely I saw that movie in the theater and then when I got into my car for the drive home home, I immediately put on your episode to get your thoughts. So I had it in queue.Thanks, man. And I knew I was going to go see it. Yeah, I knew I was going to go see the movie and I was like, okay, so when I'm done, I'm going to play the matinee cast and get yourthoughts.So you accompanied me on my drive home from seeing The Iron Claw, which I loved and you loved and your guests loved.[10:09] All of us really loved that movie. It was a good movie. I mean, what I was really thankful for on that one was that was a really good conversation.And I mean, you know i don't need to tell you because you're a podcaster as well but whether we enjoy it or whether we don't enjoy it just anytime i can get a good talk out of it i'm alwaysreally happy to put the podcast out into the world my you know and again kind of like your show i don't always know what i'm getting when i bring a guest on like i've kind of got a basicroster even though i bring in new people now and then but i don't know if somebody's not going to be bringing the the energy up or if they're going to be having an off day or if they'regoing to be just like.[10:48] Really just not in the mood to talk about a movie but anytime i get a good conversation, uh i'm always really like excited to put one out in there and my guest uh brian rowan forthat episode um he always brings the good so i was really excited yeah i'm always checking to see if you've covered a movie it's like a new movie that i watched i'll check to see if you'vecovered it you asked your guests really cool questions about their movie going history that's a nice nice wrinkle to the podcast so so yeah matinee cast uh you guys do you have anythingto promote anything coming up i know oscar season is yeah well i'm thank you for reminding me so the big show that we do for the oscars is i could not give a rat's ass who wins but theclass of nominees always fascinates me as a snapshot from year to year so that episode i've pretty much entirely had the same guest for the entire run of my show, minus one or two years.[11:42] Mariah E. Gates out of Chicago is going to be joining me and we're going to talk about the Oscar nominees pretty soon.And that's always such a fun conversation. She's so smart.And it's just like steeped in Oscar knowledge. It's amazing.It's always incredible.Yeah, it's an interesting batch this year. So when I catch up on my best picture nominees, that's what I do.I look at the list. I'm like, I haven't seen this one. So I catch up.I'll go check out the matinee cast to see if you guys covered covered it to like a sweet me my viewing So go check out Ryan McNeil's podcast the matinee cast great podcast today. We'rehere to talk about Pearl Jam.[12:18] As a nominee for the musical guest category of the SNL Hall of Fame.So quick CliffsNotes, Pearl Jam, Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard were in Mother Love Bone.Lead singer Andrew Wood unfortunately passed away in 1990.So that led to Jeff and Stone forming a new band with a new kid in town by way of San Diego, Eddie Vedder.So we had Eddie, Jeff, Stone. We also added Mike McCready to the mix, a rotating cast of drummers, finally settling in more with uh with dave abruzzese so we got mookie blaylock soonto be pearl jam out of that so ryan were you a pearl jam fan back then around 91 92 grunge scene all of that don't be you're gonna be a hipster and say you were a mookie blaylock fan nono no i was i will i will actually i will really own it i was about five minutes late to the party which is to to say that I was listening to, you could not get away from Pearl Jam when theyarrived.They arrived with the force of an atom bomb in 1991.[13:22] So the music was always just around, like you just turn on the radio or be walking by a bar or something like that.Or, you know, I was too young for bars at that time, but you'd be walking by places and you would just hear 10, especially in 1991 and 1992 you could not get away from it so i enjoyed iti enjoyed what i was hearing it was you know speaking to me as a young you know old generation x slash young millennial it wasn't like my music quite at the time i jumped insomewhere in between verses and vitality so i around their second appearance was where i joined the party um and then as actually oddly enough Like as they endured, I grew to lovethem more and more and more.[14:09] When they were in that moment in between Versus and Vitality, I do remember actually having conversations with my friends about, you know, we would have the lunchtimeconversations about like put together a super group of everybody who's, you know, around right now.Or who would you think should headline Lollapalooza next year or whatever?And one of the questions that we asked each other was, who's still going to be doing this in 20 years?Which of the bands that are out there right now are still going to be around? And...[14:41] I cannot remember most of the others, but I do remember that Pearl Jam was the one that we're like, we feel like that there's something about them.They're going to be, you know, kind of this, maybe if nothing else, this grateful dead type band that just keeps going and going and going until the wheels fell off.We were stupidly right. We were like wrong about everything else.But with that one, with who do you think is still going to be doing this in 20 years?And a lot of that, and I mean, really, truly like a lot of that scene, you know, you have have three quarters of the smashing pumpkins still knocking around even though they you knowthey've they've broken up and reformed a few times but they are the one band from that era that's.[15:21] Still most of the original lineup and still going at it and it's kind of wild yeah it is wild that grateful dead comparisons really apt the way uh there's like tape trading associated withuh with pearl jam like their fans trade like live shows pearl jam releases their live shows a lot so So that's like a good Grateful Dead comparison is they really embrace that sharing theirlive performance and sharing the live shows with their fans.And they are. They're still very relevant in the music. I did see Smashing Pumpkins last year.And that was a nice bit of nostalgia. But that was a good call.You probably saw them. And you were obviously a movie guy.You might have seen them if you saw singles back in the day.That was where a lot of people saw them. Tonight, we rock Cleveland. Citizen Dick, yes.[16:13] Touch me, I'm Dick.[16:16] Yeah, so that's where a lot of people... Do you like singles? I love singles.Yeah, right? It's an underrated Cameron Crowe movie. Yeah, I think it still holds up.Pearl Jam was... There were probably things still Mookie Blaylock when they were in singles, but they really stood out to me.It was very memorable. I don't know if they're the best actors.I don't know if Eddie's the best actor, but they're parched and stood out.They're not really asked to do very much.Yeah, very little. Yeah. So a lot of people saw them in singles.Of course, they first appeared on SNL around the time, like a little after 10 broke out.So so in 1992, I don't want to set the stage for like an SNL appearance.So in 1992, Ryan, like what would you say a good showing on SNL could do for a band around that time?Time it could still really cement a band at the time um you know there were there were more uh it's it's weird to say okay hang on i i'm it's one of these moments where i start having athought and then in my head i immediately think as a listener and just argue it down because i was going to say there were more ways to encounter music um in 1992 but that is notentirely correct What there was, was there were more ways to...[17:32] Come face to face with music. Now, music is very, very much a la carte.You know, you want to find out, like, you want to just stay in your silo and have all of the stuff by your bands and your artists and kind of similar like artists brought to you or, you know,published for you or on whatever.That is the reality. You can find out about everybody you want, the important words being there if you want.Want in 92 you would have that like you know you would have radio was playing whatever the hell radio wanted to play you would have shows that had certain types of programs so youwould have the shows that were playing the chart and then you would have the shows that were playing these guys are never going to be on the chart but they're really really cool andthese guys may be on the chart and they're on their way up you know like you had all these other avenues where you could trip over music as i said earlier like being in a coffee shop andhearing something over the speaker was much more prevalent because you didn't have headphones on quite as much um shows like snl shows like letterman um you know arsenio hall in adifferent lane of music you know these were these were how you experienced your music more than being in your silo and just playing what came to you pearl jam um you could not getaway from them in 91 92 they they just they are what's That is actually something that we'll see mirrored in that first appearance because they show up fully formed.[19:01] It's not like when we were talking about Dave Grohl and we said when Foo Fighters first appeared on SNL, they didn't look right.[19:09] It took like two or three appearances and they seem really timid.There was some nervous energy.Yeah. You know, their look is wrong. Dave is clean shaven.For a while, he has short hair. Nothing about them seems in a line with how long they would go and what they would grow to be.Pearl Jam, aside from the fact that they look like the most prototypical 90s grunge style ever, aside from their clothes, they arrive fully evolved.They show up and it is just no holds barred, batten down the hatches.We are going to show you why we're famous.This has to be especially wild for Stone and Jeff, for sure, because two years prior, they were in Mother Love Bone. They had just lost their lead singer.[19:59] They didn't know quite what they were doing. They jammed and played with people from the scene, like Chris Cornell, I think, played a lot with them and everything.They found this guy, Eddie Vedder. So to go from losing Andrew Wood in 1990 to two years later being on SNL, what a wild ride, especially for Stone and Jeff, right, Ryan? And theirkids.[20:20] Yeah, and their kids. That's the thing. Every time I'm on here and I watch some of those older episodes, I'm like, wow, you were so young.You know just i i keep forgetting that all these bands broke through in their early 20s and i know it's easy for me to say it but i look i'm like oh my god yeah right early 20s so it was uhseason 17 at the end of season 17 it was april 11th 1992 their first appearance on saturday night live sharon stone is your host and their first song i think it was a banger like right out of thegates This was one of the songs that was super popular.They could have chosen a lot from 10, but they performed alive.[21:35] They basically get to the end of the performance and they could have finished with any questions because like everything about Eddie's voice is magnificent.The guitaring is killer. The drums are killer.They're not really cutting loose and thrashing around the stage like they tend to, but that's kind of more emblematic of the tempo of the song.And one of them is. One of them is kind of pogoing around at the drop of a hat.But yeah they come out and they play a live and it's like here's why you can't get away from our album you know like just just listen yeah they perform so confidently eddie really stoodout to me and the camera the camera was focused on eddie much of the performance like ryan you talk about eddie vetter as a as just a lie a singer and a live performer it's he's got one ofthose singular voices I mean though the what one of the things that's really wild is his voice was so iconic that.[22:40] A lot of other acts were trying to copy it. You know, a lot of other acts were trying to not just sound like grunge. Look it up, kids.But also sound like his vocals, you know. Candlebox.Yeah. And I mean, some of those comparisons weren't really fair.Like, you know, if you go out there and you sing and you just happen to sound like the way somebody else sings, you know, it's not really fair to knock people around for that.But there were a lot of labels that were looking for other bands that could sing like that because it's like well you know this sells um but yeah no he's he's an incredible singer he remainsan incredible singer the one little weird development over now you know 30 years of career is that now he has to warm up you know like that's that's the back in the day they could havestarted the show with a live or started the show with the second song that they're going to do in the same performance now they sing two or three slow numbers off the top of the showwhich is a weird experience to start a big rock concert in an arena and they're on stools but eddie now is what 50 something.[23:52] And he actually had like a bit of a health scare with his voice a year or two ago so now he's gotta warm it up he can't go to the really louder numbers right away otherwise he's introuble But back then, you know, he's young, dumb and full of something.And he just he he's incredible.It's it's it's again, I've used this analogy in the past.It's watching a prizefighter fight in the in the prime of their life.Yeah, he immerses himself in each song.You could tell just by looking at him. He's just like fully immersed in it.He's not. We talked about some maybe some nerves, like you said, with Foo Fighters or Dave, whatever.This guy didn't come across nervous one bit.[24:36] Stage presence he owned the stage you did yeah they all owned the stage it was such a good this is honestly this performance of alive is one of my favorite snl musicalperformances from around that time it's something that really stood out to me just because of their energy uh it didn't sound like i mean there you mentioned there were a few bands likethat but snl didn't they had nirvana on but but this was something so like unique to the to studio 8h to the snl stage it was something that really stood out to me like they were still bringingin bands like traffic at the time or they would bring in don henley you know they they weren't they they they they went for a while without launching acts and don't get me wrong like theyweren't exactly launching pearl jab in 1992.[25:19] But they the they there was there was a you know the the music and the comedy weren't always hand in glove if you were playing some of the edgier comedy to a younger crowdyou weren't always always playing the music to the younger crowd.So this is one of those moments where it's like, yeah, come on and we're going to, we're going to, we're going to do a thing.Yeah, yeah, exactly. So alive. One of my, one of my favorite performances on SNL from that era, their second song, you talked about energy and just coming out, giving energy.This was a, I thought this was a really good song selection.They could have picked a lot from 10 to me. This was interesting, but it worked in this setting. They did porch.[26:27] We're going to come back to this much later. but this is if i'm making a case for this band porch is why and i would not have thought about that before i sat down and re-watchedeverything um porch is not a single we're gonna we're gonna say that a lot yeah uh porch is not a single ed has this great wince when he tried when he makes sure he doesn't say what thefuck um he always kind of had like he he would he wouldn't he did I'm sure he didn't actually have trouble not cursing on live television. He always made a show of it.You know, that's the thing I love. There was no changing the lyric to something else.It's like, you all know what I'm going to say, and I'm just going to come right up to the line and make sure you know it. Thank you.[27:21] Please stop the guitaring in this number is just it's like if you thought alive was incredible guitaring watch this you know um this is probably one of those numbers where you youknow maybe you skip over it on the cd or maybe you don't know all the words or maybe you can't make the jokes about it the same way you would uh even flow because that's the thing isif we're talking SNL and Pearl Jam.I always hear Adam Sandler doing Eddie Vedder in my head.And they turn it into something.Most importantly, Ed, at the time, and still, I'm sure, is very, very pro-choice.In the 90s, that was still a very hot debate.Of course, now, for some reason, it still is. um and porch is not explicitly about pro-life or pro-choice but in that moment ed and the rest of the band because none of them argued they'relike we're doing this so ed goes out there and he in he injects this lyric about the right to choose a woman's right to choose and just to drive the point home he's wearing a t-shirt with a coathanger on it like this is this is ballsy this This is a very, very ballsy move to do.[28:42] Non-single, make it about this, and really, really own it. Yeah, yeah. It was one of those things where he's not...It's not too overt where he's putting in people's faces, but it's one of those things where if you see what's on his shirt. It's pretty overt.Well, if you know, you know. It's one of those things if you know, you really know what he's talking about.Like he's not ripping up a picture of the Pope, but he's not that far off.Yeah. I mean, still that imagery might go over a lot of people's heads, especially around that time.But it's like if you know, you know kind of thing. Maybe. Yeah.[29:14] I want to believe people are smarter than they are. So maybe that's a me thing.Uh yeah so that that was a great i think that was a really neat thing that eddie did uh the build-up in that song that led to eddie yelling was awesome and pearl jam at their best ryan likegives me chills and the end of that song like the build-up of this song like that that's what this did it just gave me chills he can scream on key which is you know again a lot of those bandsthat were coming out at the time trying to sound like pearl jam could not do this Just like Kurt Cobain could do that really well, too.There's it's not easy to yell and scream on key.It seems like it's really simple, but it's actually really not.So, yeah, when he when he would let loose, it would it would sound, again, very singular.Yeah. One last thing about Porch as far as the song choice is a lot of people I think around we're in April of 92.The album's been out. People know alive. They know even flow. They know Jeremy.They know a lot of the big hits from from 10.But if you're just a casual fan if you just know pearl jams hits and then you see them perform something like porch that's got to draw you in even more i think that's why i think that was areally good choice by pearl jam to play well it'll either draw you in or it could disappoint you because the thing is at this stage of the game alternative and grunge was becoming pop rightso So you take your average now, your average...[30:43] 13, 14-year-old Taylor Swift fan. In 1991, 1992, they were listening to Pearl Jam.They were listening to Red Hot Chili Peppers. They were listening to, eventually, Green Day.[30:56] That's the thing, is that they were very, very poppy, not in terms of the music they were doing, but in terms of who was listening to them and why.So there could have been a lot of 13 and 14-year-old kids who were watching and hoping that they would sing Jeremy because they loved Jeremy so much, or hoping even that they wouldsing something like black um and it's like no we're gonna we're gonna reach a little deeper so sorry next time we come maybe we'll play it but i think something like porch might be likefor a certain fan like that may be a little abrasive or heavy or something i just think it's unexpected i think it's that it's it's not that it's i'm really dating myself on this episode it's not thesong that you would put on the mixtape honestly this performance felt like a bit of a triumphant thing for pearl jam this first performance it felt like them announcing themselves oh yeah iknow they had already i don't know they had a lot of radio and mtv play but just being on snl in 1992 to me felt like something where a band could still announce themselves people whohad never seen they didn't there was no youtube you can't look at no and and watch and see how a band is live so a lot for a lot of people this was their first live exposure to Pearl Jam.Totally.Yeah. And so how do you feel? So do you think Porch and Alive were the right choices for this?Is there anything else from 10 that you may have wanted to say? Do I have a say?Because like if I'm managing this band, Alive, like no notes.Alive, absolutely positively, no notes.[32:21] Like the second song that you're going to perform again if we're sitting down and we're talking like we're saying what's the second one going to be they really would have had toconvince me on on on porch i would have been like i know you don't like doing the hits anymore but like is it like black is right there if you don't you know if you don't and that one's theone that's it's not quite a single but it's the one a lot of people know so one of my all-time favorite songs black so i I wouldn't have minded at all.And again, it's not to knock Porch because Porch is a great song.It's just – it's a really unexpected choice.Yeah, unexpected. Which is going to be their – For somebody like me, I think that's cool.Which is going to be their jam going forward. So buckle up. Yeah, we'll see that. We'll see that going forward.So I think great first appearance for Pearl Jam in April of 92.Two years later, April 16th, 1994 is their second appearance.And if you know anything about history kids april of 94 this is less than two weeks after kurt cobain died so there's a little bit of that energy of course kurt cobain lead singer of nirvanathey're in the same scene they know the guys from pearl jam so there has to be a lot of emotion still running heavy with eddie and the rest of the guys from pearl jam ryan less than thantwo weeks after Kurt Cobain died. Um, yeah.Um, they, like, I mean, they were friends. They, it's, it's...[33:45] It's always wild to think that iconic people just hung out, right?Like, Truman Capote and James Baldwin were friends.[33:57] Jean-Michel Basquiat and Keith Haring were friends. Pete Townsend and Janis Joplin, they were friends.George Harrison and Eric Clapton were friends. They were friends, yeah.Yeah, good one. but so you know you're you're late 20s and you lose a friend with the eyes of the whole world on you you know like anybody who's ever gone through grief knows thatyou you have no idea what to expect especially when you're young because you feel so invincible they could not have been in a great place um when they did this you know it was it wasclose enough and i'm sure sure it affected them all but a show the show must go on so on they go once again they wail um they they've never turned in a bad performance on snl the onlycurious bit is now we start to stray into what pearl gem will eventually become in terms of we're not playing any singles we're playing two songs that you maybe know maybe don't andyou you're gonna get you're gonna take what what we give you and enjoy it.So at this point, Pearl Jam, one of the biggest bands in the world.So they weren't in the, probably not in the great head space because their friend had just died.[35:15] But career wise, still one of the biggest bands in the world.Versus had been released a few months prior in October of 93, but their first song, not off of Versus.It's actually off of Vitology, which wasn't released until later that year. Yeah. Not for you.I had to check the date of this episode several times. Well, I had to check to see when Vitology was released because I remember I was like, I'm pretty sure I got it for Christmas when Iwas 13.That part I remember really clear. This I was like, wait a second.I'm like, I'm getting older. Am I just mixing this up? Yeah.[36:22] It's like, this is so, a couple things.By this point, they are the biggest band in the world. world there's this beautiful lineage of who is at any one time capital letters the biggest band in the world i don't even know who it isright now like i don't know if there's a band that's the biggest band in the world a band that plays guitars right now yeah yeah biggest gosh i have no idea no idea i don't know still no noand i but and i say that as a fan no um but yeah so but But for a while, like, you know, Guns N' Roses were the biggest band in the world.And then Pearl Jam was the biggest band in the world.And then Radiohead would be the biggest band. Oasis would be the biggest band in the world.[37:04] Radiohead and U2 for a minute or two. You know, there was this thing.So, yeah, at this moment, Pearl Jam is the biggest band in the world.They sell out every show they play. that the the album that they're promoting on this episode sold almost what was almost a million copies in the first week like it was it was it sold sorrynot a million it sold like an incredible almost a billion copies in the first week which was unheard of at the time and yet they're like they're not in they're they're certainly not embracing it idon't know if they're enjoying it and that's where you're performing but they love oh yeah but you love you're talking about enjoying being like enjoying the success and enjoying the famethey're not enjoying that part of it um and you know like they're they're all very down-to-earth people they've they've never exactly lived what i'd call the lavish rock style life as rich asthey have all become um but that's the thing is like i i think the same way you know talking about this same week the same way that fame never really sat well with kurt cobain i don'tthink it's ever really sat well with with pearl jam and they they start to kind of lash out slash recoil and one of the ways they do it is by.[38:26] Not playing what you expect what you expect them to play so here they are they're gonna play a song that you're not gonna hear again for another year because it's not on thisrecord and then they're gonna play another song that is on this record but it's not one of the three or four singles that are being played everywhere.[38:43] Right. Yeah, exactly. So Not For You is the first one that we were talking about.Not For You was the one from Vitology that we wouldn't hear for another few months.And with that one, it's a rocker. It's one of those rockers from Vitology.[38:57] Vitology is probably best known for Better Man is off of Vitology.That's certainly at this stage, yeah.Yeah, but Not For You is one of those that just fits. So the instruments sounded so alive in this performance.If they had anything that they wanted to play from Vitology, their upcoming album, I think this was a pretty cool choice to come out with a rocker like that.Something that fans were like, hey, what is this song?I don't know if they were playing Not For You live around that time, so maybe fans knew about it.Maybe. I don't know, but interesting choice, to say the least.And I thought it sounded great.Oh, it does. Like Ed is guitaring on this one. He's not great.That's the thing. It's like they show up fully formed, but Ed's guitaring is still growing.It's, you know, it's once again, he avoids cussing on air and makes a show of it. And by the end of it, they're shredding.[40:06] It starts out just as this grind and by the time they get to the end they're all cutting loose and now they're all jumping around the stage and thrashing and letting loose yeah that's atheme with most of their performances here is they just end on like shredding high notes usually there's yeah there's a couple of examples that we'll get to where they don't but usually theydo the second Second song that you alluded to, Rearview Mirror, off of Verses, they ended it the same way. They closed it with some real energy.That song has a real urgency about it that I've always loved.[41:05] They show what they're gonna become like they show that that influence of jam bands they show they certainly show the influence of neil young who they're not hanging out withyet but they will very soon like that number even though it's not even one i really play all that off like i i'll play like, eight or nine songs off of versus before i think about playing rearviewmirror um but it's just like you know they just they wanted to just it felt right for them like that's the thing i don't ever think that they're doing these things to troll their audience or to trollthe people who bring them there i just think they're doing what they want to do which i mean speaking of what they want to do or more particularly what they don't want to do this is alsojust a precarious moment for them to show up because this is where things get really weird for for pearl jam because that.[42:01] Unease with success that i was talking about it starts to just become go from subtext to text at this point they stopped making videos which they had already started doing for forverses there were no videos for verses they stopped doing interviews they stopped really they stopped doing live performances on tv like this they start this now almost quaint and alsovery very apt argument with ticket master right this is about that time where the ticket master thing started happening and as far as snl goes they vanish for 12 years yeah and it's you knowthey're making music in that time they're releasing records they're touring they're selling they're they're star is a little lower in the sky than it is like you know when you go through like 972000 2003 there you know they've they've dropped a bit in the sky than they were in 92 to 95 but they're just they're not really embracing they're not really embracing the fame and snl is abig part of that because they're gone off the show for 12 years and not for lack of material just don't show up right seem like the show really liked them too because with this secondperformance they did a third song.[43:14] Which not a ton of artists would get.So they did Daughter for their third song on SNL that time.Does it say something about a musical guest that gets to do a third song on the show, or do I read too much into that stuff? No, I think it really says something. I don't think they...[43:32] It's not a kind of thing where it's like, well, we don't have a whole lot of material.So can you ask them to play another song? You know, like they usually have to cut skits cause they've got too many.So if there's, there's only, you could probably look at the list of bands that have been asked to perform a third number and it's not a long list and they're all champs. Yeah.Yeah. So yeah, I think this says something that they trusted them.They knew that they would knock it out of the park daughter, more of a low key number.[44:29] It did not end in a rocking sort of way. it just sort of ended in a yeah so that that's how the song ends uh what daughter wasn't one of my favorites but it's hard to complain because itwas like a bonus song really uh and i think they performed it well um daughter's one where it's like kind of low down on the list of songs that i'll go back to on verses personally that'saround the time i show up that that's that that was my five minutes late that's that was around the time okay okay so it was on stuff like daughter because like daughter was played on radioas well all the time so yeah yeah is there anything else off of verses that they may that you would have maybe liked to see them perform i think they would have done a good job umelderly woman behind a counter in a small town um i have i have a soft i know it's not a single but i have a soft spot for why go home this was in the age where you released an album andthe whole thing was a complete work you know like it's we're straying away from that a little bit now i think some bands are trying to get back to it but it would you know pearl jamespecially, There were songs that could have been singles that they just left as B-sides for years and years and years.And so yeah, this is an album.I could listen to it end to end and love everything about it.Yeah, I think Go could have come across really well on SNL with a lot of energy.A personal favorite of mine is WMA.[45:54] But maybe not a better choice that maybe would have been a more obscure choice for them to perform but I love WMA and it's great live I'm a big fan of Dissident too Dissident'sgreat.[46:11] Indifference is a little slow one but I know a lot of Pearl Jam friends who love Indifference just so many off of verses that they could have done I think good choices thoughRearview Mirror did really well on the show and a lot of people really enjoy Daughter.That was like a play of the hits, almost kind of choice.It's like, oh, okay, you've listened to all this weird stuff.We'll play the one you came to see.Exactly. And you're absolutely right because this is 1994 and then they just sort of, they were the biggest band in the world and then they just made a conscious choice to get out of thelimelight.Like after Vitology, it just seems like they made that conscious choice.They released four albums between like 94 and 2006 six uh to varying you know there's good moments in all of those albums to pick the some some are better than others um but theywere still touring extensively still releasing albums like selling it's not like they were they weren't playing like smaller venues they were playing arenas and amphitheaters like 16 to 20000 seat places festivals in europe um you know like they were they were raking it in as a live show they just as far as their place in pop culture and their place in the game was consideredthey were just more than happy to yield their space to other bands and other sounds and other genres yeah they found this sweet spot for them where they were still.[47:36] Like you said, playing these huge venues, they had a really loyal following, that 10 Club.Still do. Still going. It's been around for a while. They still play these same venues.They still play the same venues, but it's on their terms, which I think is awesome.They're still making a great living, still playing these incredible live shows, releasing live performances, but it's all on their terms, it seems like.It does. It does. And it's I mean, it's it's wild to it's wild to consider that a band would be that big and say, you know, like, first of all, to to yeah, to go and fight with a company likeTicketmaster. master.I feel like, can you please drop the video into the show notes of this episode when they're on Capitol Hill talking before Congress and pleading before United States senators, that $50 istoo much to ask their fans to pay.All the members of Pearl Jam remember what it's like to be young and not have a lot of money.[48:36] Many Pearl Jam fans are teenagers who do not have the money to pay $30 or more than it's often charged for tickets today.It is well known in our our industry that some portion of the service charges Ticketmaster collects on its sale of tickets is distributed back to the promoters in the venues.It is this incestuous relationship and the lack of any national competition for Ticketmaster that has created the situation we're dealing with today.As a result, our band, which is concerned about keeping the price of its tickets low, will almost always be in conflict with Ticketmaster, which has every incentive to try to find ways toincrease the price of the ticket it sells.It's so sweet in hindsight. I know it really is.Um, but that, that was, you know, they're, they're people of principles.I, you know, you, you, you've got a, you've got a band that's going to go on and sing a song about being pro-choice.They've always been very active, Eddie, especially, um, you know, he's, um, he's an environmentalist.Um, they're, they're very, very big on human rights and they just, they, they decided that they didn't want, they didn't need the fame.They didn't want the fame. They weren't comfortable with the fame.So they just kept playing their music, kept releasing their records eventually they'd start doing a few more interviews and even releasing videos but.[49:47] And begrudgingly, and it wasn't until around the time that they come back in, you know, 2006, that the larger embrace of media was happening too.Because that Avocado record, it's self-titled, but most fans call it the Avocado record.That was when, you know, it was like, all right, let's, we're amenable to doing this again.I was here for the prince show prince did that too when he did musicology he embraced, you know the the spotlight again and they slayed the the record is great um you know it's not oneof their first three records but nothing is but it's really great they sound great you go to that episode where they they come out and sing what is it that they sing on that one worldwidesuicide yes which i love it's such a good song thank you worldwide suicide and they slay.[51:13] They actually show that even though that they showed up fully formed fully evolved take no prisoners they're like you know what for 12 years all we've been doing is playing andwe're even better eddie sounds better his guitaring is better the whole band there's a new drummer in the band because for a while they went through drummers like right they're incrediblethey wander in the weeds for a decade and they come back and it's like they have not lost a step if anything they may even be better yeah at this stage i think especially aesthetically toobut then how they perform i think they're coming across as a super competent mature more mature band than they were 14 years before just didn't as far as how they looked how theycarried themselves there's less angst which makes sense yeah to me like it's a little less diy yeah exactly less diy they've really they've really matured still great live performers i mean iloved this performance of worldwide suicide but to me they're just like comfortable with who they are as great live performers we know who we are we're mature and it's fun to see thisversion of pearl jam on snl it is absolutely and you know it's it's it's wild because as singers age their voices change I would say Eddie is like growing into his voice he's still he still soundslike any better you know it's not like young Elton and old Elton but he like he still sounds like himself but it's just.[52:42] He's gained probably the same as his guitaring.He's gained a better understanding of his instrument and what he can do and how he can do it.And it's just incredible to see them still being able to slay now 15 years or so into their career. Yeah, absolutely.And then the second song that they performed, also off the Avocado album, Severed Hand, had that same urgency. Ryan, when I think about music that I really love and that really sticksout to me, the one thing that I can point to is a lot of it has urgency about it.And I think Severed Hands, like this performance, had that.It had that urgency that I love about Pearl Jam's live performance.I like this song choice because of that.[53:57] We haven't been talking enough about Stone and Mike.Yeah. And they are like they are either one of them could probably be just like, you know, a front man onto themselves.And along with the fact that they play so very well, they're also both showmen.You know, like when they play live, they don't just stand there and noodle with their heads down. You know, like they they they move.They'll do tricks like, you know, putting the guitar behind their back of the head and playing the big solo.And they'll wander into the crowd and play the big solo. You know, being in a band with a guy who's prone to climbing the scaffolding, you got to find a way to, to, to, to kind of keep upwith that.And just musically, they're both.[54:45] Just they're underrated, I'd say, as far as guitarists go.They don't actually get mentioned as the great guitarists when you when you go down the line.Like you really kind of go down the list when it comes to great guitarists to talk about Stone and Mike.But they're so good. And watching all of these episodes, like they always get a moment where it's like, shit, they're great.Yeah, they have like the soaring guitars. guitars those soaring guitars really make a lot of pearl jam songs just pop and give me those goosebumps and that's you're right that's like stoneand and mike right there like making those guitars sing and pop yeah that's very well put and i think with this episode too we're talking 2006 i think it was a good chance for them to re-announce themselves to more of a casual public audience hey guess what you remember pearl jam well they've still been making music but they're back like check them out they're stillawesome so i think this was a neat way to kind of pearl jam i think i like that they decided okay you know what like let's go back on snl let's do something like.[55:49] This yeah yeah totally and let's like let's let's bring some of our let's bring some of those old fans back into the fold you know they've had their kids their kids are old enough that.[55:57] They can they don't need to you know start to pay too much for a.[55:59] Sitter so um yeah to bring them back and it all leads up to their last performance in um where are we now now we're in 2009 march of march of 2010 2010 they come back so thiswas about six months uh after backspacer came out yeah yeah backspacer which now it's this is actually they're they're on a great little late career run of records um because from theavocado record on there again they're all really good as opposed to those those middle career ones which are like you said varying degrees of return so they come back and they play justbreathe which is one of my favorite pearl jam songs it's.[56:47] One of my favorite songs gorgeous song it's a yeah it's an absolutely incredible song.[57:30] It's an unexpected choice to certainly just like this felt to me like this would be the 1245 song this shouldn't be the 12 12 15 song right but they're like no we're this is the one we'regonna play um they had some loud rocking numbers off of backspacer fixer is a number that they could have played it would have you know shredded everybody's faces off before they gointo update date but they play just breathe and along with the fact that again we're seeing how much better of a guitarist eddie is now because he's playing this beautiful finger picking rolethat is the main guitar line of the song you know it's it's not that it's it's it could not be more counterpoint to alive if you tried you know and in the in the hands of a lot of bands it wouldalmost go saccharine but it stays just wistful enough um for a band that's been doing this now for at that point almost 20 years and he sounds great he's playing great they it's it's it againit's ballsy it's a ballsy move to make um you know it and and they own it and it's it's the kind of thing.[58:48] Where if you were in the room and you heard that you'd be like what what's happening now this is wonderful this is lovely you know and it would just stop you in your tracks andit's it's again it's a very gutsy move to play as the as the first song of the night absolutely the slowest jam that they've played on snl by far their times by far but just so so gorgeous stopstops you in your tracks uh just a wonderful choice the second song that they did it's up there as far as one of maybe maybe possibly my favorite performance of theirs on SNL. Really?[59:20] I thought, I thought they destroyed it on unthought known. Yeah.I thought it was awesome. I loved the soaring effect on Eddie's vocals and just how it crescendoed. Just like the, I don't know, just something about it.I'm like, this is so great.I remember seeing it. The only other time I saw it was when the episode aired.And then just going back to it to do research for this episode, I'm like, this really pops to me.And so this and Alive are the two performances. like and it's kind of interesting that those are the bookend performances on.[1:00:22] Snl but this one in particular right now yeah but this one in particular ryan like really popped me what do you think of this one um it's it's this one i was it's kind of funny because ii thought it was a little bit more of we're not going to play the singles kind of number um and i think for me it was kind of it was a harder letdown because i love just breathe so much so iheard my favorite number no matter what you're playing next it's like i'm i'm already like i'm already in that's fair yeah so march 13th 2010 they're they're most recent we don't want to saylast like so do you think it's been 14 years like do you think the ship sailed as far as them come being on snl or could they make like a somewhat surprising return after 14 plus years on snlwhere yeah where they're kind of where they are as a band you know yeah i mean that's that's the funny thing is we talk about how 12 years go by in between performances um you knowyeah we know we're 14 years removed from from the second one um four years since they've released an album i mean there was a pandemic in between so gigaton was released and therewas a pandemic so yeah.[1:01:33] Um so they were it's funny because little little side digression they were how i knew things were getting really bad because i had tickets to see them in march of 2020 and youknow people around work were starting to get a little nervous starting to talk about this thing that was happening out in the world and i was like it's fine it's going to be like h1n1 or it'sgoing to
The Ability to Change | A Conversation with Ryan McNeil
We're back in the Hall and this week we're talking about David Bowie, Join jD, Matt, and Thomas as they welcome Ryan McNeil to the pod.Transcript:[0:42] All right, thank you so much, Doug DeNance. It is great to be here inside the SNL Hall of Fame.You may have arrived yesterday only to find that the doors were locked.Well, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada, and that explains that, because this is, of course, where the hall is located in my recording studio in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.How are you doing, everybody? I hope you're well. Uh, whoa, hold on.That doesn't mean come inside. You got to wipe those feet first.Now, now that you're here, the SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair.Each episode, we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guests, or writer, and add them to the ballot for your consideration.Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity inside the hall.[1:43] It's really quite simple how this game works. We invite a guest on to tackle one of our nominees.They build the case for them. You listen and you ultimately get to cast the vote to determine whether or not they make it inside the hall.This year we'll be doing things a little bit differently. You will be getting an email if you have registered in the past to remind you to vote, but there is no actual registering to vote this year.You can just vote with your email address and you'll be good to go. So there's that.This week on the program, we have a good one for you. We have a, we always have a good one for you. I need to strike that.Can you strike that from the record, please? Very few people understand the operation here at the Hall of Fame, but we do have a stenographer that sits beside me as I recite thisintroduction, and she's wonderful.She's just wonderful. Her fingertips are like lightning.[2:49] She does a great spine massage as well. Anyway, before we go too much further into this and I incriminate myself, uh, let's head over to Matt's minutia minute, because I understandMatt is chomping at the bit this week to talk about David Bowie, who we will be joined by Ryan McNeil in the recording cellar with Thomas to talk about David Bowie and hisnomination.But before that, as always, we are going to track down our friend Matt, and he is going to talk to us in the... Oh, Jamie. Yes, Matt!Track 3:[3:25] Oh, Jamie!Track 2:[3:25] Yes, I know you!Track 3:[3:26] I am very excited about this one! I know, I know! You're gonna have a hard time stopping me talking, my friend.Track 2:[3:31] Okay, let's just do it.Track 3:[3:32] Can't wait.Davy Jones, aka David Bowie, was born January 8, 1947.He was 5'10".[3:45] Along with Tim Curry in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, David is the source of a lot of my youthful sexual awakenings.A little bit of TMI off the top, but just thought I'd get that out of the way.Born in London's working-class borough of Brixton, David Robert Jones changed his name so he was not confused with Davy Jones of the Monkees.Another heartthrob, but for very different reasons.[4:13] He had a rather unremarkable musical career early on, with his choir teacher calling his voice adequate, but he found inspiration in artists including The Teenagers, The Platters, FatsDomino, Elvis Presley, and Little Richard of whom he said upon hearing Tutti Frutti he declared that he had heard the voice of God.That early rock and roll really shook and shook people to their bones and you know if somebody's gonna be the voice of God, I wanted to be Little Richard.Now, he had some pretty incredible childhood friends, one of whom was Peter Frampton, who he met when he went to Bromley Technical High School, where Frampton's dad wasteaching David Bowie art and possibly creating the future of music secondhand.Just shows the importance of teachers. He was also at this time friends with David Jones's friends with a certain Reginald Kenneth Dwight, aka Elton John.Sadly, they drifted apart as their fame began to grow and did not have a chance to reconcile prior to David's death.[5:28] David formed his first band at the age of 15 called the Conrads, a skiffle band aping the Sound of the Beatles and other British skiffle bands of the time, which drew from US guitarmusic and blues.He drifted from band to band, including The King Bees and The Lower Third, before striking out on his own as David Jones.That didn't last long, shortly after he changed his name.His first release was the single Can't Help Thinking About Me, flopped, like all of his prior efforts with his bands to date.During his hippie era, David began working with producer extraordinaire Tony Visconti, who continues to talk about working with David to this day, and their relationship continued upuntil David's passing.He studied dramatic arts under Lindsey Kemp, including avant-garde theater, mime, comedy del arte, and all of this really does carry through to a lot of Bowie's performances, whichembrace movement, extreme performance, and, honestly, a lot of the time, comedy of the absurd.[6:37] His career exploded out of the gate with Space Oddity, which was released at a very timely moment, right before the moon landing.The BBC decided to use the song over top of their coverage of the moon landing, and that catapulted him from an obscure hippie to one of the most influential musicians that catapultedhim from an obscure hippie to one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century.[7:15] Over his career, he embraced a host of characters, including the most famous being Siggy Stardust, the Thin White Duke, and Aladdin Sane, but he also included characters likeMajor Tom and art detective Nathan Alder.His first song in character was the 1967 bassoon-driven single, The Laughing Gnome, which is as weird as the name makes it sound.Seriously, listen to it. Your life will be changed. There's a tiny talking gnome.I thought I dropped acid. I haven't dropped acid since high school.It was triggering.[7:58] He has 99 composer credits, 38 film acting credits including the alien refugee Tom Jerome Newton in The Man Who Fell to Earth and source of much sexual consternation, Jareth inLabyrinth, not to mention a delightful cameo as himself in Zoolander and appearance on Broadway and in London's West End as the Elephant Man.His first recording, I Never Dreamed, was recorded in 1963 when he was 16 and a member of the Conrads.His fellow bandmate and drummer, David Hadfield, was moving house in 1990 and found it in a bread box wrapped in wax paper.You can actually go back and hear that. Young David Bowie. Big difference from later David Bowie.[8:50] Now a myth about David is that he has heterochromia, but he does not.What happened was he was punched in the eye by a band member and developed a condition called anoscleruria, a permanently dilated pupil, which is the cause of why some people thinkthat eye is a slightly different color.Many songs were inspired by his brother, who suffered from complex mental health issues, jump, they say, and these issues led to him being institutionalized and then sadly his eventualsuicide.[9:30] Bowie is a cultural icon, so much so that there are multiple Barbies that have been released celebrating his unique looks, and I am sad that none of them appeared in the Barbiemovie.An innovator, he launched his own ISP in 1996 called Bowie.net, which is one of the earliest social media platforms where he basically invented the AMA.Not long after, he also pioneered artists monetizing their products and creations by selling shares in David Bowie.You could own a share of Bowie.I don't know what part I'd want to own, but I wish I had had the money at the time.His last album, Blackstar, was released on his birthday, January 8th, in 2016.A deep, penetrating meditation on death, loss, regret, pain, and hope, ultimately.Two days later, he died at the age of 69. His life ended as it was lived, a piece of art.Track 4:[10:59] Yes, indeed, Jamie and Matt, thank you so much. I am down here in the recording cellar and I will not leave until the business at hand is done.Today we are talking about David Bowie and here to discuss all things Bowie and SNL with me is a great guest that we've had on, this is his fifth time on the podcast. Oh man, do I get ajacket?Well, I see, you know, I think, uh, our previous five timers have just been okay, Ryan, with, with like, uh, your bragging rights and there, you know, you could, we could send you businesscards if you want something like that.You know, I see, I make that joke and yet I have, I'd say at least a dozen people who have been on my own show five times. I have nothing for them.I don't have stickers. I don't have buttons, nada.I've got people who've been on like seven, eight, nine times.I don't even, like not even a gift basket.So I'm just happy to, happy for the acknowledgement. Yeah, well, rest assured we have nothing for you as well. So, you don't feel the need to pay it forward with this.So you, yeah, so Ryan's been on, Ryan McNeil has been on for the Prince episode.He's been on to talk about Justin Timberlake, Bill Murray.[12:19] Dave Grohl was a wonderful episode. We've gotten a lot of great feedback still on the Dave Grohl episode.And Ryan McNeil, host of the Matinee Cast as well, a podcast, over 300 episodes now.Ryan, geez, tell me this is it. One of these days, I hope to get paid.[12:39] But yeah, when we recorded 300 this year, it was wild to think that I'd been doing it as long as I have.You know, there's times... My cat, every once in a while, will make an appearance.So I do apologize to your listeners. Okay. If they hear Lord Baelish crying, he's crying for nothing, really. 300 episodes. Yeah, you know, there's times where I think nobody's listening,just like any other show.But it's been great. I've met some really fantastic people doing it.I've seen some fantastic films that I might not have otherwise have seen.And it's part of the reason why I got the job I have.I'm not podcasting for a living, but I was able to put myself out there and kind of create a portfolio beyond just my own work of, if you're interested in learning about me, go listen to thisbecause this is, you know, something I create and can give you an idea of who you're talking to.Yeah, it's a good one. And this is coming out in mid October.Is there anything specifically that you might have in mind for mid October, we'll be getting into a new season, I usually take September off because it's kind of a wasteland for movies andcoming out of the Toronto International Film Festival, I can usually use a bit of a breath.So we'll be starting a whole new season of of shows mid-October.[14:00] I think the new Scorsese will be showing up by then. So we'll probably have an episode dedicated to that for sure.Yeah, that's a good one. I just read the book, by the way. So so I'm really looking forward to the movie. If it's anything like the book, it's gonna be outstanding, I think. So definitely. Yeah,that's the matinee cast course with Ryan McNeil.Go check that out. And today here on the SNL Hall of Fame, we are talking about another musical guest again, David Bowie And Ryan, this is your third musical guest that you've beenon for, of course, Prince and Dave Grohl.And I find it fascinating how viewers of SNL and voters of the SNL Hall of Fame look at musical guests.And I'm curious, why do you think people have been so hesitant to vote musical guests into the SNL Hall of Fame at this point? Paul Simon's the only one that's in now. I'll pat us on theback and say, I think we did a great job advocating for Dave Grohl.But why do you Do you think voters might be hesitant to put musical guests into the hall?I do think that the musical component of SNL is something that the most avid viewers.[15:07] You know, they go get a beer during that part of the show, especially if it's a band they don't know.I, I've actually found, discovered a lot of bands because they were on SNL.And I kind of felt a little foolish for not having known about them before, because SNL, as much as they can promote music and, and, you know, create an interesting showcase for a widearray of artists.And I got to give them credit for that too. They, they really have all kinds of different musicians on.It's not what everybody tunes in for. So if it's not your thing, if you're rather, if you're waiting for update or if you're waiting for, you know, the next round of the Target Lady or the nextround of the Wild and Crazy Guys, the Four Strunk Brothers or whatever you happen to be waiting for, that part of the show doesn't latch for you.This is just one of those things for me where where the Venn diagrams overlap, where the comedy nerd and the musical nerd are both delighted at the same moment.So I know that's not everybody, and that's cool.Get from things what you want to get from things. But for me, it's one of the highlights of SNL is the way they can work with a musical act and the way they can highlight and promoteand foster musical careers.[16:26] Yeah, I'm sometimes that way too. I'll admit, I oftentimes, especially if it's a musical guest I've never heard of, I'll use that time to go use the restroom or let my dogs out for for onelast pee before they go to sleep for the evening.So that's that is like a convenient break in between.I know I'm not going to miss update. I know I want to see what sketches come up.So unfortunately, like something sometimes in an hour and a half has to kind of fall through the cracks for some people and this does but depending on the artist and I think the one we'retalking about today if I was you know I was watching SNL for probably two or three of his appearances but in his prime there's no way I would have gotten out of my seat to go dowhatever get a snack or whatever I would have been glued to the TV of course to watch David Bowie so there's those certain artists that you just have to, I think, just stay there for.And I think we're talking about one of them today, Ryan, in David Bowie.And I wanted to ask you to start off, like, if you just can put into context for anybody who might not totally be familiar, anybody who wants to reminisce, like where David Bowie was likeon the rock star hierarchy, like throughout the 70s.His first appearance was 79, so throughout the 70s, where was Bowie in that hierarchy?[17:47] What's interesting about him showing up for the first time in 79 is, it's not like our Dave Grohl episode, where the first time Dave Grohl shows up, he's still got that new car smell.He looks like he's going to freak out if he misses a beat. David Bowie, by the time he shows up in 79, he's been going full tilt for 11 years.He is fully formed. He is deeply in the rock.Parthenon at that point, he's influencing other artists behind him.He will influence other artists who come after him.And watching that first appearance, I mean, if somebody is going to go back and watch his appearances in order, the only downside is the first one is the best, and they're all kind ofshuffling in between after that.But that first episode that he appears in 79, he is firing on all cylinders.He's actually a little bit subdued in terms of how weird he will be and how weird he'll get later. He's a little, you know, he's a little glossy in this era. He's kind of in between personae.But when he shows up, that's the great thing, is he is showing up at his prime.[18:59] It's like watching Muhammad Ali fight, you know, as a 26 year old and beating Sonny Liston.It's an incredible thing to witness. Yeah, I agree. I think this might be this Bowie appearance. It was season five, early in season five, it was season five, episode seven. So that wasDecember of 79.I think it was arguably in those early years, maybe the biggest get that SNL had.I mean, as far as we can run through, I'm sure I'm missing someone, but there are a few musicians around that time who were as big as Bowie.So I'm venturing to guess like they never had, they didn't have McCartney until the next year, I'm venturing to guess that Bowie was maybe the biggest get in those early years for SNL.Mm-hmm. I'd say that's pretty much on the nose. And what I like is it's embracing the new, right?[19:53] At that time, they were still trying to get the Beatles to come back, like Lauren was offering checks.They were very much interested in some of those New York bands, but they weren't exactly what I'd call leading edge with a lot of the music.So having somebody like Bowie who comes out and does something a little artier, a little kookier, it's them embracing the way that rock is changing and the way that rock is changingfrom, you know, four white boys copying blues into something a little bit more experimental, a little bit more arty, a little bit more New York.Bowie, of course, is an English artist, but those records, they feel, along with being very, very Berlin, obviously, they feel very at home with the New York vibe at the time of bands liketelevision and talking heads and those kinds of bands.Think it maybe lent some credibility in some ways to being a musical guest on SNL.And because before that, we would see a lot of, I mean, Randy Newman, of course, Paul Simon, he's buddies with Lorne Michaels. He appeared in those early years. But a lot of it wasblues musicians who are great, but they didn't have like the cultural cache.They didn't pop culturally necessarily like David Bowie did.So this was this was a great get for SNL. Again, his first appearance season 5 episode 7. This was in December of 79.[21:21] This was a few months after he released Lodger.Lodger? I've never actually heard anybody say this album name out loud.I've always called it Lodger, so we'll go with that.So he released Lodger a few months prior to this.The host was Martin Sheen, so we could delve in, unless you have anything else to say about Bowie in the 70s, could delve into this first appearance.No, let's go for it. I mean, I could, you know, we could be doing a whole other show.Sure. If we were doing that. But yeah, Lodger, it's a great place for him to be showing up. It ends off his Berlin trilogy, as I said, it's him very, very much in his prime.[22:03] He's gonna kind of take a weird and interesting wander after this, but it's a great place for him to show up.And the first song that he did, uh, was not from that album.It was, it was, it was the man who sold the world from the album, the man who sold the world. What did you think of this performance of the man who sold the world?So the one thing I adore about this first performance is that he is very much playing the, uh, the, the New York art gallery nerd.He is, he's putting on these performances that will influence David Byrne and influence Lady Gaga, all of these in the best ways.I'm a big believer in lineage when it comes to rock and roll.I don't look at somebody and turn up my nose and be like, David Bowie did that first.[22:56] I love seeing the influences. Yeah, he does this very cool installation art performance.Kanye will cop to this later on, where he's in this huge suit and he's basically like, almost wheeled out, although he's carried by these two aliens who are completely – Yeah, those spooky-looking guys who also served as the backup singers, yeah.Yeah, who are completely blasé about all things, but they carry Bowie out to the microphone, like they're wheeling out Hannibal Lecter.And yeah, he starts out – that's kind of a flex, is like, I'm going to start with something I did a while ago. I'm promoting a new record, but I'm not going to start with that. I'm going to goback and remind you why I'm here. and he slays as he always does.[24:00] I might prefer this just the performance and the sound of it.I might prefer this to the album version. Quite honestly, I think it was it was maybe a little more textured.It had so many layers. And I think just I listening to it, I was like, God, this is so good.Like, I like the album version. Quite honestly, I like Nirvana's version on Unplugged.Right. Better than better than Bowie's album version.But this was like this really popped to me. I thought it was really interesting.I think the two scary looking dudes, the backup singers, I added to it quite a a bit. So I really enjoyed this performance and visually, it was something that SNL didn't always do back then.It's half like, as you said, the performance art aspect.No, because you need the, like that part I feel is driven from the artist.I feel like every time they book somebody, they're like, okay, so you know what the set is and you know what you're working with, you know, good luck.And I think it's, it can be on the artist to come back to them and say, well, I want to turn it into a bedroom the way that Lizzo did, or I want to turn it into just a blank white wall the waythat Kanye did.[25:07] It's on them to change what's in front of you that much. And the set is still static. It's not like David Bowie is doing anything really drastic with the train stations behind him.But he was the one who's like, all right, boys, you're going to put me in this big clunky suit and you're going to wheel me out forward so that I'm going to sing.Standing stark still, mind you, like he's not, not so much as a sway.He's very much locked in place. And yet you can't take your eyes off him because it's the song is that good and he's so charismatic doing it.Yeah. That's the thing about Bowie is he's someone who you can't take your eyes off. To me, he's one of the most interesting looking people, I think, who has ever lived.And every time you see him, he has a different look. Like from Gaga today, every time you see Lady Gaga, she looks different.That was Bowie back then. He just, and he pulled off anything.He was just so visually, just an interesting person to look at.The thing that's wild too is, that's a handsome dude.[26:08] That guy rolls out of bed and just like puts on jeans and a black t-shirt, and that's a good looking cat.Does not need to do anything. He does not need to put on makeup.He does not need to change his hair.He does not need to put on a crazy outfit. He just shows up as a gorgeous human being.And yet, throughout his career, he's like, I am going to dye my hair bright orange. I am going to dress like an alien. I'm only going to wear the white suit. And it's like, okay, cool, becauseyou just go along with it.[26:38] It's like he's eschewing his natural beauty because he doesn't feel like that's interesting enough.Yeah, everything he did made sense with his style.Even if – like I couldn't pull any of that stuff off.Most of us couldn't. But anything that he tried, he pulled off.Whether it was like – and we saw his style kind of change with the times as we will see it here on SNL, but even as he got older, he had what I call like the cool dad kind of haircut. Hegrew into it.I don't know how he aged that way, especially considering later on in life, he was very sick, but he just, he aged so incredibly.He's a, like a one of one in terms of just the style.Like few people, Prince could probably pull off a lot of things, but maybe not as many types of different types of things as Bowie.And then, I mean, like, so, you know, the big suit was that he could have just kept trotting back out the big suit we all would would have got a laugh but then he comes back out and doesTVC 1-5.[28:07] Again, not off the new record, so it's like, I have something out, but I'm not going to sing about that right now.It's like the opposite of a concert where they start with six new songs before they get to the stuff you love.And TVC15, I mean, again, he's not going back out in the suit here.He's going out in like a blazer and a dress. He's doing his little sexually fluid androgynous thing that will spark a whole other movement.Influencing a lot of artists to come, influencing the culture to a better place, I think. So he's out there. He's kind of dressed like a glam schoolmarm.And now the aliens are bored. Now the aliens are reading the newspaper.And what's the other alien doing? Oh, the other alien is walking his dog.You know, they're still seeing – there's a little poodle with a TV.Yeah, with a TV in its mouth.[29:02] So yeah, so it's like, okay, we gave them the suit and that worked, but we can't give them the suit again because they won't buy that.What else can we do? All right.Let's dress me, let's dress me somewhat in drag, not fully in drag.And you guys just act bored. Just act aloof, sing when we need you to, trade the newspaper and the dog, and that will work.Yeah, and everything that happens makes sense. Everything that he wears makes sense. It's just given who he is, it all of this weird, weird stuff on stage makes sense. Yeah, you got it. Yougot to tip your cap to that.I love it. That was TVC one five from station to station. So we're not even getting anything yet from his, from his new album. But the third song, which by the way, pretty cool. They lethim perform three songs that didn't all. Yeah, they don't do that. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, I know.That's usually a sign that they're really happy that you're there when they give you a third. I can only count on a very few instances where they give you a third.They still do. Every once in a while, they'll give you a third song, but it's really, really rare.Sometimes I think it's because they're light on material.[30:07] Boys Keep Swinging, I mean, just when you think he's fired the gun empty, Boys Keep Swinging is- This is wild.It starts out so normal. It actually starts out like the Nazi boy singing in Cabaret, where it's just from the neck up. And you're like, oh, this is pretty.And then this shot reveals and you're like, oh, it's a little Nazi boy singing.That's not what David Bowie did here. That's in Cabaret. Watch that movie.It's an incredible movie. And when that moment comes, it's horrifying.No, in here, David Bowie is singing from the neck up and you're thinking everything is normal.[31:08] And then the shot pans down and he's basically composited with a marionette that's being shot offstage and he's like following the marionette.He's not just sticking in place. He actually can see what the puppeteer is doing with the doll and how it's making it dance and his head is following it.People can't see obviously because it's an audio medium, but his head is like bobbing back and forth or his head is, you know, bouncing along with the puppet and it's just such a delight towatch.[31:40] Yeah, it was jarring. And so you're saying, so I was trying to figure out how they were doing this. And so the marionette was on a different, so Bowie was on the stage and themarionette was on a different stage.I, it's, it's kind of hard to figure out exactly how they're doing it.I was trying to figure it out. Yeah. Bowie can clearly see what the puppet is doing in real time.So I don't know if one camera is pointing at him in front of a green screen and another camera is pointing at the puppet and they're nearby, but they don't happen to be on the stage with theband.That may very well be what it is, but they're definitely aware of each other.They're definitely in proximity to the band.That's one where I would love a shot. I'd love a behind the scenes shot where I can see how they did it.Cause it's also, I mean, it's really low budge. It's not, you know, it's, it's not any kind of like avatar trickery here, you know, this was 1979. Yeah. Yeah. So it's something you couldprobably do with your phone.[32:40] But it just, it's, it's, it's delightful. It's so kooky. It's all hanging on a song. That's like, not exactly one of his bangers.You know, you gotta go like 20 songs deep or so, or 30 songs deep before people start talking about Boyz Keep Swinging, but the song slaps, the performance is amazing, he finishes offhis little.[33:00] Gallery residency and, you know, shows SNL how it's done.I would have loved to see, like you said, I would have loved to know what this looked like to the studio audience to be there.But Bowie was just so perfect at coordinating his movements with that marionette, turning it into a cohesive thing.That's impressive. In 1979, I bet people were watching, going like, what the hell? This is like, this is awesome. I was watching it today going like, this is so fun to watch. It's wonderful.You know, do you think that these performances on SNL, like captured Bowie's late seventies essence. Like, do you think fans got what they wanted with these performances?[33:37] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, this is, this is back in the day where seeing a band only ever, you know, if you, you either went to a concert, if they came near your town oryou saw them on TV, you know, like there, there was, you know, there was no YouTube, there were no videos, like you, you, and not only that, but there were very seldom like reruns,right?Or, or you had to, it was appointment television. had to be on the living room floor, you had to be on the couch at midnight on Saturday night, Sunday morning to see these things.So, you know, yeah, I think he may have even thought of that, you know, that at the time when people are seeing bands on television, that they are making a point to see them.Because this is long, long before TV was just company in the room, or, you know, God forbid, a second screen.If something was on, you were generally watching it with intent.So he probably thought if somebody's watching me with intent, I want to give them a show.[34:36] I was really impressed with with all three of these, and visually and the songs to everything kind of gelled.And so that was like, right under the wire as far as like, him getting on SNL in the 70s. It was the second to last episode of the entire decade.So he went the entire 80s without appearing on SNL.Which is weird because his music, like, we talked about this with Prince.Like, Prince took a really long wander in between appearances, but Prince also took a really long wander with his career.[35:08] Bowie in the 80s, I mean, Bowie in the 80s was very, very poppy, very much more FM radio, you know? Like, his songs were a lot slicker.He wasn't doing the arty, weird, alien, I'm going to dress in a giant suit while the aliens are bored behind me thing anymore.He was doing something much more commercial with songs like Let's Dance and Modern Love and those kinds of things. Love them, but they feel much more like they they could havebeen done by just about anybody.Um, so, but the thing is, they suit what SNL was doing in the 80s very much.So it's kind of interesting that he never showed up for any of that.Yeah, I'm surprised what Let's Dance, the album came out in what, 83?Thereabouts. Thereabouts. So, so I think he would have been a great fit on there.And there's well known, I mean, Modern Love, Let's Dance, China Girl, Cat People, like there was some really beloved songs. Yeah. And he was, he was touring. He was big. Like hewas, it wasn't like he was being that guy in the cabin off in the woods, that would come later.But he was he was around, he was doing stuff, he was touring, he was, you know, doing duets with Mick Jagger.[36:17] For whatever reason, he just never showed up. I think especially with that album, too.I think he adapted to like the 80s sound. He made it Bowie, but he still fit in to what the overall vibe of was of that time. Yeah, it's always cool. I don't know.Maybe Ebersol didn't didn't love him. be. I mean it's always cool to talk about Bowie's fans because everybody has like their era of Bowie that they love.Stones fans, it's kind of the same sort of thing. People love 60s Stones. People love 70s Stones.[36:48] There's a lot of people who swear by 70s, 80s, 70s Bowie and then everything after 1979 is trash or there's people who came in much later and find those 90s records really, reallyinteresting and really, really wonderful and anything before or after that is weird.So it's Bowie's kind of – that's one of the things that I love about him is that because he's got all of these movements like an artist, like you can see he's very, very much inspired by thegreat artists who had their movements.[37:19] He lends himself to people coming in and out of his work at various points.Yeah. Where do you find yourself on that spectrum of preferences?Does it vary just by what mood you're in? It does, actually.[37:32] I mean, I really clung to him in late 90s. So I have a soft spot for some of those late 90s records that we're going to talk about in a second.As time went on, I grew to appreciate more and more of, you know, I then like jumped straight back to the 70s stuff first and the 80s stuff kind of took a minute with me.I have a a bittersweet fondness for those last two records just because I found, I found them so, so intricate and unexpected.Like he had, as I mentioned, he'd been gone for quite some time and I'd actually kind of squared myself to the fact that he may be gone permanently because it had been so long with himnot doing anything until of course he was completely gone.Um, but I, I, I very much, I love, I love a lot of it, but I do have a soft spot for those, those 90 records because that's that's where I joined the circus.[38:22] His second appearance on SNL, it's said went through the entire 80s without appearing on SNL. His second appearance was in November of 91, season 17.A pretty memorable episode, honestly. Macaulay Culkin hosted this episode.And I have visceral, kind of vivid memories as a child of Macaulay Culkin saying.Ladies and gentlemen, Tin Machine. Yeah. And at the time when I was a little kid, I didn't know, I didn't really know who David Bowie, like I think I knew the name. You probably knewhim as that guy from Labyrinth.Yeah, yeah, honestly, yeah. Like Labyrinth, I knew him from there, but I didn't put it together that Tin Machine was David Bowie's band.I thought it was just some band that I had never heard of. but Ryan, are you a big tin machine guy?[39:05] Not so much. Tim Machine is, it's a strange little moment in his career because it comes as an answer to the poppy, glossy, mainstream commercial 80s music that he was doing.He found himself restless and dissatisfied, understandably, even though, you know, I would say that a lot of that 80s music has its merit.He just didn't like where he was at and the kind of people he was drawing into the to the theater.So he decided to take a break and do something different and go work with other people and create this little band 10 machine.Here's the really strange thing is that it's not, it doesn't feel like that hard of a swing away from what he's doing of everything he he ever did.It's it feels just fine. It doesn't feel like a drastic shift back to the art stuff, it's not what I'd call like especially harder.It kind of feels like it's in between the eras of music, you know?Like yeah, in a time where Metallica and Guns N' Roses and Motley Crue were the biggest things in rock, this feels very different.But considering that at the same time Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili Peppers and Nirvana are about to take over, this feels like a step behind all of them.[40:27] So I mean, they're good. It's a good performance. It's not the aliens and there's no suit.It's very 90s. Yeah. The first song they did is called Baby Universal.And I actually surprised I was surprised I actually like these performances more than than I expected.I expected it to be a huge, huge drop off because it wasn't like bowie, it was a side project.But I think I came to the conclusion that I would still like this if it wasn't bowie. Like I think it fits in fine, like it was a fine, good, enjoyable performance In my opinion.[41:26] I mean, I'm, I'm curious for sure. I'm not, I'm not thinking that, I know, I feel sad that I missed it in this moment. There's a lot of stuff that I, I was really late to the party and I'mlike, why wasn't I listening to this then? Um, this is not one of those moments.I'm like, Oh cool. I've got something new that I can find out about.Um, he's very styled in this, you know, he's not doing the, the arty weirdo.He's, he's very, very much, you know, a handsome dude in like leather jackets and, and sharp collars and that kind of thing. What is it? Mid to late forties around this time? 1991? Yeah.Yeah. Late forties there about the mid forties.Um, you know, cool guy who's in his mid forties in the early nineties.Yeah. And he works it well. Yeah. It's what I, what I thought was cool about this too, is it's, it's really awesome to have this band documented in the landscape of SNL.Like that's one of the things I like about this show is that it's around for a lot of moments that are interesting experiments that people may forget about.Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is an episode where the musical guest is Chris Gaines, right? Yeah. Well, Garth Brooks hosted and then the musical guest was Chris Gaines. Yeah.[42:36] If you tried to explain that to somebody now who was not around at the time, it would seem bananas.And yet it's like, no, it's right there in the archive.Go watch it. And it's a perfect snapshot of that time too.And we're thankful that it's there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.And I would have to say tin machine. I mean, they're good musicians, too Oh, yeah, David Bowie got Tony Fox sales hunt sales and then Reeves Gabriels He's in the Rock and Roll Hallof Fame as a member of the cure and Reeves is gonna play with him for a while Yeah, so it's it's kind of it's kind of neat because you're seeing the beginning of a relationship.Yeah. Yeah, it's really neat They're their second song to me.I think the vocals especially sounded more classic Bowie Yeah, the way he was singing his inflection.Yeah, the song is called if there is something.[43:51] To me, that sounded like that's how I know Bowie. Yeah, that one was better of the two.Yeah, yeah, I think I preferred that one as well because like, you know, it's that warm blanket of Bowie that we're probably used to.Totally. So that was Tin Machine.That was his second episode on SNL, season 17.And then we go about six years before the next one, 1997, that was season 22 in February of 97.He's promoting Earthling, which was released about five days prior.Yeah. Tell us about Earthling.You said you liked, you started liking around this era of Bowie.This is very much where I show up.So I had found myself very interested in the record that came before Outside, and that was my gateway drug to Bowie.I started listening to old Bowie around that time, became very, very interested in him as an artist, his looks and whatnot, and listened to the older stuff.So this was the first one that it dropped, and I latched right away.I was lucky in that this is where I got to see him perform a show.Oh, wow. Yeah. And he was performing this record mixed in with his older work.So I have a soft spot for this, for this record. It is very late nineties.Yes. It is very, very, you know, grunge is over.[45:20] Electronic is taking over. You know, we're- To me, it sounded like the Prodigy, like the song, Little Wonder, that the first song that performed, I got the vibes of The Prodigy, whichis a total late 90s.[46:08] It begins with this beautiful drum lick, which unfortunately is a drum machine.The drummer's just sitting there waiting for his turn. And when the drums come in, they're fantastic. But it's amazing that this really quick and steady drum line is a machine.Bowie is kind of reminding you again of his Aladdin sane time, like he's got the bright orange hair again.Again, he's very, very, his look here is very like.Sharp and demon-like. He's got this big collar. He's got this very 90s goatee on his chin.But again, this could just be me talking fondly about the era where I walked into.It's incredible. It's wonderful. It's powerful. It's strong. It's loud.[46:53] And it's very, very interesting, again. He's not trying to style up the performance that I found a little bit weird because this era he was doing, he was wearing this really great UnionJack coat at the time.If people find the cover of Earthling, he had this really great coat around the same time that the Spice Girls were wearing it as a dress.It was a very, very big time for England.But he didn't wear that on SNL, even though he was wearing that for some of his concerts. And it's fantastic.Yeah, what I love, this is an example to me of something that I love about Bowie is that he doesn't thumb his nose at the trends of the day.No, he's interested. He's interested in it and he really embraces it.Like we see, like we're hearing electronic elements in this, in this first song, in this album, Earthling.[47:40] He works with Trent Reznor, obviously maybe a couple of years after this, around this time. So I love that he embraces. This is around the time he was co-head, he was touring. Hewas touring with Trent. Yeah.The tour before this. Yeah. Yeah. So he's embracing that stuff and I love it.He's not one of the old school guys who's just sticking to what he knows and everything in my day was great and everything now sucks.Like, I love that he embraces new, new things in music.I mean, he was friends with John Lennon and John had that too, right? Like John was always interested in doing new and interesting and different things. So it's, it's, it's, you know, itmakes sense that the two of them would be cut from the same kind of cloth. Yeah, definitely.And the second performance here, it's a throwback. He gives older Bowie fans something that they love. he performs Scary Monsters.[49:01] I love this song and I think it was such a great performance.I love seeing something scary monsters came out in 1980 So it was like a early late 70s early 80s kind of still Bowie vibe Yeah, it's the hinge from one area into the other what I love aboutthis and you know with like if we put the tin machine Performance aside for a second all of his other three performances.He does something new and then shows you how it fits with something old You know or in the case of the first one does the old stuff and then shows you how it fits with the new stuff.[49:32] So doing Scary Monsters, Super Creeps and kind of making it just that little bit harder than it was on the record and showing you how well it fits with something like Little Wonder,you know, to anybody who's like, Oh, I liked him better when he was doing Scary Monsters.It's like, well, this is very much like Scary Monsters. Just, you know, we're doing it a little harder.Reeves is just shredding on this on this performance, just absolutely wailing.Bowie is going for it. There's so much bravado in this performance.It's it's just so cool to see.Yeah, I love that. He he's given the people what they want. Yeah, essentially.I mean, he's doing a great performance of a new song, but he's like, I'm going to go back to 1980.And and when you when you discount, like when you if you if you don't include the tin machine performances, these are five songs and five different albums.So he performed from lodger station to station, the man who sold the world, we're getting something from earthling and scary monsters and super creeps.This is like, this is so cool. I love when the when artists say, we'll play you a new one, but then we're going to play you something that's a little bit different.[50:42] We know that you love, like we're going to take you back. So I love, I love that, that the, again, like the lack of pretension that's in there.I wish more artists would do it. Like, I know it's important to promote your new work.You know, especially when you're, when you may not get another chance.Like, I mean, not everybody is David Bowie. A lot of these bands are going to come on one time and they may never come again. So, you know, along with the fact that they may not haveolder work to draw on, on.They really want to make the most of why they're there.[51:11] But the ones who do get another chance or the ones who have been around for a minute, you know, play something older, rearrange it or something and just let us see how it fits.Yeah. So I think, you know, third episode that he's appeared on as musical guest.I think we're, we have a high batting average here. Even the tin machine stuff, honestly, I enjoyed. Yeah.Like it was super enjoyable to surprise me how much I enjoyed his tin machine stuff.So I think we're, we have a high batting average here with David Bowie on SNL, uh, his fourth appearance, season 25, the, the first episode of the season, Jerry Seinfeld hosting thisepisode in 1999.And again, Bowie promoting his new album, Hours, but he's given us something old and something new. something new Ryan Thursday's child from ours.[52:26] So Thursday's Child, I actually kind of love. It's nothing complicated.It's not something that I would say is like, you know, top 20 Bowie or anything like that, but it's just so sweet.It's so comforting and just really lyrical. It's kind of like a sundown kind of record.His performance is actually very subdued.[52:51] He's dressed like he just walked out of Banana Republic. Um, this is the cool dad look that I was talking about. His hair is a little longer, but it's kind of parted in the middle. It'syeah, but it's shaggy, but it's like intentional.[53:04] It's like, and he w you're right. He looks like he walked out of banana Republic.This is what I see. Like, I have an uncle who reminds me that he, like he, he, he, who wears his hair like that so perfectly.And he, and he just looks like a, like a cool dad kind of vibe.And, and this is another different look that Bowie's just pulling off.I wish I could, and I don't know, 15 to 20 years.I wish I could pull something. Exactly. I will not. Like, that's the thing is that he's still, you know, even with the fact that he looks his out, I kind of wish that he was a little bit more styled,but the fact is he still looks like David Bowie.You know, this looks like David Bowie on laundry day. Yeah. Did we mention he's married to a supermodel? Yeah. Supermodel. Yeah. There's, you know, it's, it's, it's a little odd. Uh, Imean, maybe that's the thing he settled down now. So he doesn't have to try so hard.Um, the song is beautiful. The album is somewhat forgettable hours is not what even even somebody who comes to him in the late 90s.It's not one of the records that a lot of people mention. It kind of it was kind of Thursday's Child and done, but it's a beautiful song.It's a lovely song. Really sweet, really romantic.You know, there's no angle on this one. It's just here's a guy who can sing and he's going to sing for you.Yeah, I just I love that it's a it's highlighting his voice, his singing, and that was the main thing that stood out to me.It's just like, this is Bowie's voice. We're highlighting that.And I'm fine with it being more of a subdued performance.[54:26] I think it shows a different side of him as a performer that I think is necessary.I think it was a really good addition to the night.And that's, you know, I think it especially works because we're getting like a really rockin' song to close the night.Throwback, again a song that I've always loved, Rebel Rebel from Diamond Dogs.One One of his big songs that I think a lot of people love.[55:21] This is usually one of the showstoppers. Again, you know, he reminds you how the new stuff fits with the old stuff.It's all swagger. This performance is all, I know how much you all love this song. I know how much you're all gonna lose it, and I will not disappoint.I'm not gonna act above it.I'm not gonna act like I'm tired of singing it. I am here because I know you enjoy it, and it's wonderful.He even kind of like, cozies up to his bass player for the lines, like, not sure if you're a boy or a girl. Hey baby, your hair's all right.She's a bald woman of color. So of course there would be kind of that fluidity to her appearance and, you know, any time a woman's hair is bald, it's, you know, I love your hair.No, who cares if your hair is bald? You know, it's great to see him reinterpreting those lyrics in that kind of way.[56:15] And I think what I love about it the most is it shows that, yeah, we started with the dog and the TV in his mouth, and we started with the puppets, and we started with the aliens.We started with Arty Schtick, but the reality is that even if he didn't use the Arty Schtick, if he just went out and sang Rebel Rebel, or if he just went out and sang Man Who Sold theWorld, it wouldn't have mattered because the thing is, the work is genius.So you can dress it up and you can have fun with it and you can give your audience something more because you want to and you want to create and you want to find and build these littlelasting moments.But if you strip it away and the work is still genius, it doesn't matter. It still holds.[57:04] Right, and if he did the arty shtick in 1999 like he was in the 70s...Probably wouldn't have come across as authentic because that's not where he was as a creative person in his life probably in the time.That's just not what he was interested in. So if he just forced himself to do the arty shtick, it probably would have fallen flat, I think, if he wasn't as invested in it.I want to see him be authentic to himself. Yeah. I mean, he will still keep calling back to those earlier records on The Records to Come, Like stuff that he wouldn't even play on SNL, likerecords like, um, when he will later get to Heathen, Heathen has a lot of callbacks to, I mean, other singers, like he does covers on Heathen, but he calls back to a lot of his Berlin, uh,albums, certainly later on when he will do The Next Day, um, The Next Day is a callback to kind of his whole career.So he's going to keep- cover on the next day is a callback to Heroes.Because it's just a box that says the next day over the Heroes album cover.Yeah. Yeah. So he's going to do that. And he will continue to find the way that the new work can be informed by the old work. Not copying the old work, exactly, like he's not, you know,as much as I love the Stones, he's not doing the Stones.[58:27] Just, he's finding new ways to, to take, to add chapters to, to those earlier stories without necessarily needing to dress in the white suit or dress like the alien or get in the dress.You know, it's, it's, it's an interesting, it's, it's kind of, it's a very mature approach to, to rock and roll and to, you know, art pop.Yeah, I agree. And, and we see it here, his relationship to, to older material in here in in 1999 with Rebel Rebel. This was a song, I don't know if you saw this tour.But this was a song that he hadn't played for like a decade and he decided to start playing it again on the tour.And you mentioned like it's one that really gets the crowd excited and going.He decided to reintroduce it to his set list. I guess he took out the Quaaludes reference in the song. Maybe that's why he had a tough time performing it.But I guess from what I read, he took out the reference to Quaaludes in Rebel Rebel once he started performing it again.But that's just something that, you know, he took a song, he maybe saw an aspect that he didn't love about it, but then he made it work again.He's like, hey, I want to perform this again. Yeah. And later on, he would play with the intro, like the intro would actually be stripped down and sound really lovely before the blaringguitar came in at the top of the first chorus.[59:45] It's yeah, he was always interested in doing that and kind of leaving some songs behind bringing them back in. And, you know, he was never the guy who was like, I don't want toplay that anymore, ever. You know, he got, he got tired of things and he needed to find them again.But, um, he always found his way eventually, even, even down to stuff like, um, even down to some of that stuff, like the 80s stuff that he was trying to get away from with Tin Machine.By the time I saw him again in 2003, uh, or 2004, I think the concert was, he was starting the shows with songs like China Girl and Modern Love and those kinds of songs where it's like, Ikind of thought you were ready to put all this stuff in a box.Man, I wish I could have seen him.[1:00:26] I'm like jealous. You're telling me that you've been able to see him, uh, what, two or three times, two times, two times. And one of the first one, I got really, really, really lucky.The first of the two times was in a club of about 1500 people.[1:00:41] And it was completely because I met the right person at the right time and they had a ticket. I got in good and close and, uh, had a transformative experience watching DavidBowie in that kind of room.Um, I'm, I'm really, really lucky and I always count myself really, really lucky that I had that experience.Gosh. Yeah. I used to go to the Coachella festival like every, I think I've been six or seven times to those sensibilities maybe a little bit more, but that was always the one artist who whoeverybody would request and want to headline every single year is maybe this is the year that we're gonna get Bowie.This is the year. You think Bowie's gonna headline? It never happened.I always thought that maybe that would be the chance I had to see him, but how was he as performer?He was incredible. He was, so this was, he was touring, he was touring Earthling.He was mixing the set really, really nicely. Like he started the set with Quicksand it was just him and Reeves and Reeves was playing an acoustic guitar to start the set.[1:01:56] And then, you know, things would come and go. He was, he was playing very electronic at the time.So some of these songs sounded like they were a little bit rearranged.But it was, it was, it was fantastic. And, and he's, you know, I, I like the, the set list is kind of blurring in
Join Thomas and Jamie as they toast the comedic giants who have shaped the legacy of Saturday Night Live! Don't miss out on this fantastic opportunity to celebrate the Class of Season Three and all of the talented individuals who have tickled our funny bones and made staying in on Saturday Night a right of passage. We also take a moment to analyze future classes by looking at the voting records of several candidates that missed the mark this season. We're so grateful to all of our listeners but especially the ones that stepped up to vote this season, we had a record number of ballots cast.!So grab your favourite snack and settle in for a conversation that is sure to raise some eyebrows and fuel water cooler debate. It's the SNL Hall of Fame: Class of Season Three!Transcript0:00:42 - JDAll right, thank you so much, Doug. This is JD here and you are about to enter the SNL Hall of Fame. Please wipe your feet before you come inside, as we don't want any filth in the Hall of Fame. The SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair. In each episode, we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest or writer and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Once the nominees have been announced, we turn to you, the listener, to vote for the most deserving and help determine who will be enshrined for perpetuity in the hall. And that day has come. I am joined by Thomas Senna and we are going to go down the results and take a look at who has made it into the Hall of Fame and who missed the cut this year, who will be eliminated from the ballot and all sorts of other good stuff. So, before I go any further with this information dump, I'm going to say hi to my friend here, Thomas, how are you doing? 0:01:49 - ThomasHello Jamie, I'm doing very well. This is a special occasion. I got my tucks on and my bow tie. Let's announce some inductees. 0:01:57 - JDWell, before we do that, we'll just quickly go through the parameters that people had to cut through to make it. You need 66.6% of the ballot to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. If you don't get at least 10% of the ballot, you are eliminated from the Hall of Fame And, of course, you stay on the ballot for 10 seasons. So we're only in season three. We don't have any jeopardy of that happening thus far, so that's good. That's good news. What are you most excited about today, Thomas? 0:02:35 - ThomasSeeing if some of the people who I thought deserved to be in the Hall of Fame if they actually make it. So one group in particular, one writing group in particular, has been a sticking point with me as far as not making the Hall of Fame. So I was going into this reveal just super curious to see if they would make it, if the Lonely Island, let's say it if the Lonely Island would finally make the SNL Hall of Fame. I think they've been deserving since they were on the ballot in season one, that's right. So that was my main thing going into it. this is where the hell is the Lonely Island? So I don't know. We'll see if they're in this time around. 0:03:16 - JDYeah, we definitely will. Okay, well, I can tell you off the top we have the biggest Hall of Fame class, the largest Hall of Fame class that we've ever had, the most members inducted into the Hall of Fame that we've ever had, which is staggering. We had a record number of voters turn out, like over 100 more than last year. We finished with 297 different voters. That's pretty impressive to me that you all came out and exercised your comedic franchise. That's just wonderful news. So I don't know, do we just go right into it? Let's get into it. All right, who is our headliner this year? Thomas, who made it with the most. 0:03:58 - ThomasSo with the most votes this season, at 83.2% of the vote we have, mr Dana Carvey is an SNL Hall of Famer. No surprise, i don't know about you, Jamie, but I thought this was a slam dunk Dana's in the conversation for greatest of all time. 0:04:17 - JDI think Absolutely. 0:04:18 - ThomasHe's like a great of all time Mount Rushmore. Those are the conversations that Dana is in. So Dana Carvey in with 83.2% of the vote. Congratulations, Dana. 0:04:31 - JDYeah, a cast member with the most percentage this year. Just a machine really. I mean, if you listen to Fly on the Wall now, it's aggravating to a certain degree because everything that somebody says spawns a bit. but I just think that's how his brain works. He's just always on. He's always thinking about how to make people laugh and how to leverage the different characters and impressions that he's been able to harness over the years and be fresh with them. He's truly a great, great SNL great. 0:05:09 - ThomasYeah, i don't know if it's cliche to say, but he's one of those guys where if you were going to go into a lab and build an SNL cast member, it might come out exactly like Dana Carvey. Yeah, and that was such a good point that you mentioned. Like he's just, he's all about the bit, he's all about what's going to serve the comedy, and you can hear it in his podcast and he'll even tell you that he might do it a little too much. Like he's said that maybe he steps on the guests a little bit, but that's because that's how his mind works. He's trying to. He's trying to find the bit in everything that he's talking about, and sometimes he doesn't have that thing where it's just like well, maybe, maybe I'll just wait my turn or whatever. I'll tell you that. But I think that served him so well when he was an SNL cast member, so deserving to be an SNL Hall of Famer. 0:05:56 - JDAbsolutely, Dana. The plaque is in the mail. Next on the list is another cast member and another first-ballot Hall of Famer, and that is Amy Poehler, with 75.1% of the ballot. What do you think about Amy Poehler, Thomas? 0:06:15 - ThomasYeah, I think another very deserving one. I think she was arguably maybe the face before Kristen Wigg got there. Maybe there was a little overlap, but I think Amy was arguably the face of her era of SNL. I think she was very beloved in her era. I know Jon Schneider had told us some crazy stats about Amy Poehler as far as just the sheer amount of sketches and the percentage of sketches that she was in when she was a cast member at SNL. But I think man, 75%, three forwards, that's probably about what I thought Amy would get, and rightfully so. I mean she was just a fantastic sketch performer. What do you think, Jamie? 0:06:59 - JDI think she did it all Like she really was a five-tool player when you think about it because she started out as a sketch performer. She started out as a featured player and sketch performer, and then she had a second life as a weekend update anchor she was tremendous at that as well. You know, working both with Seth and Tina Fey. She did it all Like she did it all, Like she is somebody who did it all and excelled, Like she did it all at a very high level, I guess I should say. And to me, I thought for sure she would make it. But the SNL Hall of Fame is tricky sometimes. Sometimes you don't get what you think. 0:07:42 - ThomasThe will of the people, man, that's right What this is. 0:07:46 - JDIn this case, it turned out in favour, So that's good Yeah. 0:07:50 - ThomasCongratulations to Amy Poehler for making it. So the next person, the next inductee that we have, also the first time on the ballot, with 74. 74.4% of the vote we have, but maybe not. Maybe not an original cast member, but pretty darn close to an original cast member. It's Bill Murray getting 74% of the vote on his first time on the ballot. Bill Murray, SNL Hall of Famer and you, Bill Murray fan, Jamie. 0:08:22 - JDI'm a huge Bill Murray fan. I had a renaissance with him, i think, when a lot of people did from his role in Rushmore. So that really got me back into him and it made me go back and look at the Saturday Night Live stuff. And if you think about it, he was really in a tough, tough position replacing Chevy Chase who was doing feature films and on the cover of magazines. Chevy Chase was, you know, it, it boy, and Bill Murray had some big shoes to fill And I think he did a great job. He became, you know, a leading man ask because Acroyd stayed in a sort of a glue role And Murray ended up getting a lot of you know, a lot of the male-centric parts and Did a fantastic job with it just fantastic. 0:09:14 - ThomasYeah, I think Bill would even tell you or admit that he Was having trouble in his mind gaining traction initially. That's why he did the whole plea to the audience sketch where he sat down and said hello, I'm Bill Murray. I'm not quite hitting on the show and here's why I think I'm not. And here, trust me, i am funny. Regardless of what you've seen on the show. I am a funny person. I'm just not funny on the show. So he was. So I think you know a lot of that was a great bit. But I think a lot of that was rooted in maybe something real that he thought like why am I not connecting? like why are you know? and, ironically, like his first show ever that he did was he was in a lot and he did a really great job. But maybe he had a string of shows where he Felt like he wasn't in much and he did that, that plea to the audience, that just really propelled him and then he had, you know, we ended up seeing Nick the lounge singer and Just so many of the nerds. There are so many memorable characters and he was just so Magnetic. He knew how to just grab the audience and take them whatever Bill wanted to take them. 0:10:22 - JDYeah, yeah, and he's continued to do so in his post-signal career as well. So, really wonderful, I'm, I'm, I'm so happy that Bill Murray made it on the first ballot because it would have been a tough one, like the next one, to explain to people No, no, he didn't make it on the first ballot. The next one we go to is Another cast member, another first ballot, Hall of Famer with seventy-three point seven percent, and that's John Belushi. Belushi, of course, little divisive in, you know, in our, in our current era, that we are in because we, we we've just got access to so much more information than we've ever had before. And There was a little bit of misogyny there. You know there were a lot of drugs, but he had a way of peeling through all of that and Making himself very magnetic on the screen. Very funny, very funny. I was never a giant blue she fan, i was a Murray guy. But there's no doubt that blue she belongs. There's no doubt in my mind. 0:11:29 - ThomasYeah, there's no doubt for me either in the seventy-three point seven percent, maybe a little lower than I would expect, but that, like you mentioned, you few factors in some of the things like the misogyny. A lot of times he didn't treat his Cohorts on the show as well. I maybe look down on them because of some misogyny that he had and that's factored in and as it should be, I think. If, if somebody values that and wants to keep Belushi off because of that, then I Absolutely agree with that. But his, since I've been doing this show and kind of getting in more to maybe the Original cast and watching sketches more in-depth, I've come to really appreciate some of the subtlety that Belushi brought to the screen, especially with the samurai. I just his, with his just facial expressions, with the samurai and his movements, and he could do it all as a sketch comedian. He wasn't. He wasn't just on the guy who yells a lot or on the guy who does pratfalls, as Belushi could do, could do everything he can. He can play it really straight and subtly He can. Only he can act with his eyes. He could be funny with just his movements. He could say clever things. So I think just all around what a sketch performer Belushi was has really I've really taken notice of that since I've been going back and watching a lot of the original cast, so I think I think Belushi definitely deserving. 0:12:56 - JDWell, drum roll. Can we get a drum roll for our fifth nominee? 0:13:05 - ThomasThe lonely island is in the SNL Hall of Fame With seventy-three point four percent of the vote. We have the lonely island Third time on the ballot. So they went up from fifty-two point nine to sixty-two to seventy-three percent of the vote. So I think I've been banging this drum hard. I know, Jamie, you've been, you've been kind of wondering, you've been Extolling the virtues of the Lonely Island. I know our buddy, Jon Schneider, has been confused as to why the lonely island is not in the SNL Hall of Fame. But they finally are the lonely island Well deserving. You could still feel their impact, almost what. Now, 17 years, 18 years After they started doing their thing on SNL, they changed the structure of the show in a lot of ways, the presentation of the show. That's still felt today as far as pre-tapes and expectations of pre-tapes, and just iconic, just Influential. I'm so happy about this.0:14:08 - JDYeah, me too. I really only have a three-word Response, and that is lonely no more. They are on an island of Hall of Famers, and they rightfully are on that island. So Really glad to see that we don't have to have this debate with people anymore. 0:14:28 - ThomasYes, I know exactly, I don't have to get frustrated anymore. So congratulations, Andy and Akiva and Jorma, you three are SNL Hall of Famers. 0:14:37 - JDAll right, our first host, this fellow, made a tremendous jump. I'm not even sure it's Mathematically possible the jump that he made, going from 47.4% last year to 73%, and that is the store of the 90s, John Goodman. I have no issues with John Goodman being in the Hall of Fame whatsoever. He was there when I was there. I got to watch him every year. You know he's been a great friend of the show in terms of guest spots and You know if you were to write a guidebook of What what a good guest looks like, i think there'd be a chapter in that book that would be called John Goodman. 0:15:25 - ThomasYeah, he said. He said in the archetype for what a great SNL host is, he was on, I believe, 11 or 12 seasons in a row as Homes, from last 89 to 2001 or something. So he spanned the entire 90s And beyond. I think it was 11 or 12 Episodes and or seasons in a row. Because he was old, reliable, because he was so good, like if he was one of those were the cast when they, when Lorne would be in the office and say, well, we have John Goodman coming in in March to host, and the cast would be like wonderful like it's not that the cast could take The show off, but they knew that they would have somebody to play with and it would ease a lot of The burden that was put on the cast to put on a great show. They knew that they had somebody coming in who could live up to putting on a great show with them. Goodman was just in so a lot of good one-offs I don't know if you remember the sketch where he played the referee and he was. They were doing the show, the talk show, and it was fans asking the referee. Yes, this is basically just berating the, berating him the whole time.0:16:30 - JDThat's a one-off sketch Yeah yeah, he was. 0:16:35 - ThomasHe was a Cajun chef with, when he was on with the Phil Hartman, that recurring sketch, the anal retentive chef and John Goodman came in and played a Cajun chef and they were playing off each other Really well. He's one of the Braske guys, the Bill Braske guys absolutely so many Iconic things that Goodman came in and did. Whether it was recurring or one-off, goodman brought so much to the table and, yeah, 47% in season two. I think maybe some of the seas parted maybe after season two as far as who got in, and maybe a lot of voters felt that Now's the time that I can put Goodman on my ballot since I already took care of business with some other people. So yeah, I was a healthy jump with Goodman, and it's deservedly so. He's an I don't even know 12 timers, 13 times. I'm not good. Yeah, I'm not sure. 0:17:30 - JDYeah, I know that it's 11 in a row. This is where we need a chief statistician, all right. Next on the docket we have, another writer, and this one is equally interesting to me in the sense that They made a tremendous jump from season one to season two, and that is, of course, everyone's favourite late-night talk show host, Conan O'Brien. Thomas, I Want to let you go first, son, on Conan. 0:18:03 - ThomasSo this is the only one. No offence to Conan. He's honestly my favourite. He and Letterman are my two favourite late-night talk show hosts of all time. Like I'm a huge Conan fan, I listened to his podcast. Conan O'Brien needs a friend and he's wonderful at that He's. I love Conan and everything that I've seen him in. I just don't know that he's an SNL Hall of Famer specifically, right? if you just look at Conan's work on SNL, he was behind some good stuff, I think I remember I don't think this is him or Jack handy, but there was a skeleton sketch where John with Gal played, an Anatomy professor he was a professor and he was, and the skeleton would scare him every time he would look at it. And I've heard Conan talk about maybe he was, had had a little bit to do with that And so. But it's hard to think back at Conan's time at SNL and say, yes, he definitely put a stamp on the show. To me, It was more so. Other writers, like I said, like Jack Handy, maybe somebody else who we might talk about on this episode, but there are James Downey, there are other writers that were just more so influential on that era than Conan was and I don't think he would take Umbridge With with me saying that honestly and it's no offence to him, he's a genius Comedically, but if you just look at his time on SNL I had this is one of the ones that I don't quite agree with the voters here. I'm happy for Conan, but it's something where I'm just I'm not quite in alignment on this one. 0:19:30 - JDThis one, to me, screams like name recognition. You know, it's like We know who Conan is, above a lot of the other writers, even the Lonely Island. I changed the ballot from the first season to the second season to add their names on the ballot, just to make sure that everybody knew that the Lonely Island was Andy, Akiva and Jorma. You know, Conan is a writer. That is a name commodity and It would be interesting to know, to dig in if there was a way to do that, to find out, you know, if that's Where that came from, because it was surprising to me as well, especially, you know, in light of somebody else we're gonna mention. 0:20:15 - ThomasYeah, I think Conan's just lovable and People respect his overall talent and I think that bled in, bled into this for sure. 0:20:24 - JDIt's definitely. It's definitely tough to get people to restrict their votes. You know the conversation that you have with the guest That is so SNL-specific. You know it really is tough to sort of Separate that from. Oh my gosh, He was the talk show host that I grew up with, the late-night talk show host that I grew up with and I loved him and, And, oh my gosh, I listened to the podcast the other day and heard them doing the girly man dilemma you know, And right. So he's a writer, so you know he belongs, or whatever. 0:20:57 - ThomasYeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and the. So the next inductee into the SNL Hall of Fame is. I'm very much surprised by this in a good way, in a positive way, because I didn't know if this person Was gonna have a chance on their first ballot and I'm pleasantly surprised that they're actually in on their first ballot. So another host, and it's Christopher Walken. With 69.7% of the vote, Christopher Walken and Jamie Burwood did this episode with me on Christopher Walken. It was so much fun to go rewatch his episodes and Just just bathe, in the oddness and silliness that was Christopher Walken on SNL, and the more I thought about it because I was unsure. Even going into that episode. I'm like I think he's a good nominee but I don't know that he's a Hall of Famer. But after rewatching his sketches and Talking to Jamie Burwood about this, I'm so happy that Christopher Walken is in the SNL Hall of Fame Such a unique presence on the show. 0:22:03 - JDThat was a great episode, Thomas, that was a great conversation. 0:22:06 - ThomasYeah, Jamie was awesome She came She really came through there. 0:22:12 - JDYeah, walk into me. He was a, you know, a host that brought silliness. And For a serious actor, for somebody that is known as, like you know, he was a freaking deer hunter for heaven's sake, such an intense movie and to see this guy come on and just Be silly and have fun and get his hands dirty, you know, that is Just a lot of fun and I'm thrilled that he's in. I'm, I'm absolutely thrilled. 0:22:45 - ThomasYeah, he was possibly the most iconic sketch of that era, one of the most iconic sketches ever with the cowbell sketch, Christopher. Walken I mean, yeah, people know Will Ferrell killed it in that sketch, But Christopher Walken was his equal, in my opinion, in that sketch, like Christopher Walken's Delivery and his funny lines, balanced out Will Ferrell's, a lot of will Ferrell's more physical, comedic style in that sketch. And Walken also had the continental, which people loved. Yeah, a recurring sketch for a host that you know. Christopher Walken was announced as host and people knew like, ooh, we're probably gonna get a continental. This will be great and just his, yes, Walken was just such an odd Duck and that served him so well on this show. Just such a unique flavour to hosting SNL. So I'm very happy about that. Christopher Walken is in. 0:23:36 - JDNext up. Cut the ribbon, and queue the band, because we have our first musical guest. Wow, as A Hall of Famer, it should come as no surprise. 0:23:49 - ThomasIt only took three voting cycles to have a musical guest cheese. 0:23:55 - JDBut I would say Paul Simon is, you know, quintessential. He's been there from the, you know, almost day one, day two, you could say, or week two, right through to Gosh. When was his last appearance in 2018? yeah, that sounds about right. 0:24:15 - ThomasYeah, that was his final performance. 0:24:19 - JDLike ever, Oh really. 0:24:19 - ThomasYeah, on SNL, no, just yeah. His final performance on SNL was actually his final performance. His final performance, yeah, as a musician. Yeah. 0:24:28 - JDWell, that's iconic Yeah. 0:24:30 - ThomasThat's enormous. 0:24:31 - JDYeah, yeah, I think, well-deserved. You could argue or nitpick if you wanted how many times he was actually the musical guest versus, you know, just having the show be a variety show based around him. But I think when you think of no matter what area you think of and you think of him, you have a good, good vibe, good memories. I mean the turkey suit, the boxer. I remember when he was on when he was touring Graceland and he had all the African dancers and band and that was so spectacular to see as, like a small town kid, you know, I saw that and it was like revolutionary. It was like, wow, this is so cool. I guess this is what world music is, but it was poppy and fun And, yeah, I think, well-deserved, yeah. 0:25:24 - ThomasAnd he 68.7% he finished with Yeah, Paul Simon got 68.7% of the vote and he reunited with Art Garfunkel on SNL. That's enormous. Yeah, that's huge After six years of them not performing together. He and Garfunkel reunited on SNL. And I know on this show we try to have categories, so we have our cast member, host, musical guest, and writer categories right, Paul Simon. I even told my guest for that episode, Matti. I said we're going to have to play fast and loose with the musical guest criteria with Paul Simon because he performed music on 15 episodes of SNL. Whether he was actually officially billed as a musical guest, maybe what was that? Eight times or so, but he performed music in 15 separate episodes on SNL And he's just. You can't argue that. His fingerprints were all over the show And that had a lot to do with his talent. I know he was Lorne and he are damn near best friends, but he was just always a guy who was called upon in big moments too. In the first episode after 9-11, who was there performing? It was Paul Simon. So, yeah, fingerprints all over the show. I'm happy we have a musical guest in. We needed some representation. So there you go, Paul Simon. 0:26:55 - JDThe next one I'm really excited about, and this is what I was talking about when we talked about Conan. I almost wish their voting numbers could have switched, because this person actually acknowledged our show, so that gives them extra points. As far as I'm concerned, this is another writer with 68% of the vote, and that's Robert Smigel. 0:27:20 - ThomasYes, Robert Smigel. I'll give a little context behind that. So Bill Kenney was my guest the great Bill Kenney for the Robert Smigel episode, And Bill actually reached out to Robert Smigel on Twitter. He DM'd him and said I'm on this podcast, SNL Hall of Fame, And I was wondering if you could give me some sketches that you wrote and some of your memories or whatever. And Bill just thought he would take a shot. He didn't think Robert would reply. But, Robert replied to Bill and gave him this nice comprehensive list of sketches that he was in And Bill said thank you. So Robert helped with research for his own episode, which I thought was wonderful, and I was surprised too by he wrote a lot of things that I didn't know that he had a hand in. Phil Hartman did a famous Ronald Reagan mastermind sketch early on, great sketch, wonderful sketch. I think that was the sketch that we played in full at the end of Smigel's episode. It was. I didn't know Smigel was behind that until he told Bill Kenny that he was. He just said so many classics. I talked about Conan O'Brien and his era, how Conan wasn't the guy that you thought about. As far as writers go, I think Smigel was the guy in that era. 0:28:44 - JDI agree. I agree Just that category of Smigel and Odenkirk and you know, as you said earlier, Jack Handy as well. I don't know that they hung out, but Odenkirk and Smigel did for sure, and just great sensibility, some different looks, comedically, yeah, I think I think well deserved, so happy to see writers being three writers, three writers in this class like that's enormous. 0:29:17 - ThomasYep, and if you look at Smigel's tenure, okay, so so he was. Just, you know, he wrote sketches early on, from like 86, 85, 86 until maybe the mid-90s. Smigel wrote all these classic sketches to Bears, he wrote the Kleck and Chicken, and he wrote Schmitz Gay. So he wrote all these classic sketches right, and then he left, came back and he did TV Fun House. So I think I think he was an SNL Hall of Famer before TV Fun House. If you only included his pre TV Fun House, I think he's still an SNL Hall of Famer. If you only included TV Fun House, by itself he might be an SNL Hall of Famer. You combine those. It's just incredible. Like Smigel, his fingerprints. As far as a writer, I don't think other than maybe James Downey I don't think it could be topped by Robert Smigel of what he delivered as a writer to the show. 0:30:12 - JDI tend to agree with him. One more, we got one more. 0:30:17 - ThomasWe've announced 10 so far, So we have a recap. So we have Dana Carvey, Amy Poehler, Bill Murray, John Belushi, The Lonely Island, John Goodman, Conan O'Brien, Christopher Walken, Paul Simon, Robert Smigel and this next person. this is the last on the list of inductees this season. Their first time on the ballot, So a first-timer from the original cast. an amazing glue person, wonderful, and one of the first great weekend update anchors. I'm talking about Jane Curtin. With 67.3% of the vote, Jane Curtin made the SNL Hall of Fame. This means a lot to me. We love Jane. 0:31:10 - JDI went back recently and listened to the episode you did with Andrew Dick. and just a phenomenal episode, maybe a Hall of Fame episode. It was tremendous, Andrew made a great case. Yeah, I listened to that before I cast my votes. I did cast a vote for Jane Curtin. To me, she's very deserving, but that solidified it. I think that's the resonant detra of this show. You listen to these great conversations and you're reminded. It's almost like poking a fire that is out, but the embers are still there and you poke away and then next thing you know you have another roaring fire. That's what our show intends to do, and when it works, it works. I have no doubt that Curtin made it in part because of that episode, but the largest part that she made it in was her body of work. She's got a tremendous body of work. 0:32:08 - ThomasYeah, she, she again. Weekend update. She was, she pioneered. I know Chevy Chase was the first weekend update anchor but I think Jane really grabbed the reins and made it her own she was the weekend update anchor after Chevy left until seeing at the end of season five And she and she and Murray co-co-anchored here and there But Jane was like the face of that And then she was like the greatest talk show host Absolutely And maybe an SNL history And that's a thankless role as a sketch performer. But Jane, Jane cause, because Jane was the straight person in those situations and played so well off whatever crazy guests that she had on her talk shows, like the Dan Aykroyd Irwin main way character. Jane played so well off of that Irwin main way character. And that's just what she did every time And she was really good when they gave her, you know, more straight like comedic sketches to work with. She could play that. She's just so darn likable and so darn talented. 0:33:14 - JDYeah, yeah, absolutely. So that is your class of season three, Really proud of everybody for coming out and voting. Again, we had more votes than we've ever had before. Let's look at the unfortunate side of things. Now We'll spend less time, you know, with these, with these nominees, for sure, but these are the ones that didn't make the cut. They fell under 10% this time around and they will be off the ballot next time. And we're going to start at the bottom. Unfortunately, the writing was on the wall with Lily Tomlin when she went from 15.5% to 13.5%, going from season one to two. Whenever you see that sort of shrink down, you do sort of get concerned that it's not going to work out. And sure enough, Lily Tomlin fell under 10% this time, so she is off the ballot. 0:34:13 - ThomasThink about Lily Tomlin's hosting gigs. I think a lot of her work was on the Lily Tomlin show. Yes, she was very talented, but she was I think she was so isolated in what she did on the show in many ways And just even compared to hosts from that era, I don't think she necessarily stood out or had any sketches that you think back You're like, yeah, that Lily Tomlin sketch, like you think about Steve Martin, for instance. 0:34:45 - JDYou can come up with a dozen. 0:34:47 - ThomasYou can come up with the Fair Strunk Brothers, but you think back to Lily Tomlin. I think she just sort of washes over people And that's probably what happened here with the voters in your right. The writing was on the wall. 0:35:01 - JDYeah, I think if we were, I'll have this vote in 1983 instead of 2023, she's likely in because, people, she was still a named commodity And unfortunately she you know she won't be a vote in Hall of Famer. There are other ways that potential voter nominees will get into the Hall of Fame that we'll deal with in the future, but for now, she is off the ballot. Thomas, you want to just run through the next three because they're all first-timers. 0:35:31 - ThomasYeah, yeah, so also off the ballot. Beyonce is off. She only got 4.9% of the vote in her first time on the ballot. Rihanna got 5.4% of the vote. She's off the ballot. And Elliot Gould also got 5.4% of the vote and he's off the ballot. So Elliot Gould, Rihanna, and Beyonce are all first-timers and all already off the ballot And I don't have a huge problem. Necessarily, Beyonce especially. She's probably so famous for her work outside of SNL that she's just not associated with SNL. She's had some great performances. Will Norman and I had a great time going through Beyonce's SNL appearances, but definitely not surprised. I mean Beyonce's just so Beyonce that it's not a surprise And we couldn't get it. Apparently, the Beehive didn't crash the party and vote for this, because she probably would have made it if that was the case Last year we lost Taylor Swift, so the Swifties didn't help her, and this year the Beehive didn't help Beyonce. Yeah, and I think Taylor Swift is a good comp to Beyonce. I think they're just so famous outside of SNL that it's hard to associate them with SNL for a lot of people. Yeah, what do you make of itd? 0:36:49 - JDElliot. Gould. Oh sorry. Yeah, Elliot Gould. I'm a little disappointed because he was correcting me if I'm wrong, but I think he's a five-timer. He's definitely a five-timer because he's in the new five-time sketches, so he's one of the first five-timers after Buck Henry. But I think he's too closely associated with the early part of the 70s when he was a raging movie star. He was a giant movie star And people think of him now as Mr. Geller People, my age thinks of him as Mr. Geller from Friends which is a little less prestigious. So I'm not shocked. In the same way, I'm not shocked with Lily Tomlin, but I'm maybe a bit disappointed because he is a five-timer. So that might be something we have to revisit. Rihanna, I think, has the same sort of thing as Beyonce, like she's giant, but I do think that she participated in some sketches And I think she, you know, I think of Shy Ronny off the top of my head And maybe it's too close to what she does normally like it was a song, it was a hip-hop song, so maybe that sealed her fate. I'm not sure. 0:38:06 - ThomasYeah, as far as Elliot Gould goes, he is a five-timer But I actually think I'm actually happy that that's not the end-all, be-all of getting into the Esna Hall of Fame. You know what I'm saying. Like I'm glad there's some subjectivity to it and people aren't just getting in because they're a five-timer. I mean, John Goodman is a ten-timer plus and he had to wait a couple of seasons, a couple, two or three voting cycles And so I'm glad that there's some subjectivity to it. Like the Baseball Hall of Fame, like the 3,000 hits I guess, is an unofficial kind of mark, but still, I mean you could get over 500 home runs, over 3,000 hits, and still not be voted into the Hall of Fame. Whether you know, when baseball there are some performance-enhancing drug issues that play there. But I'm glad there's not like a threshold to where if you've hosted a certain amount of times then you're just in, like there needs to be some subjectivity, because like a three-time host could have more of an impact on the show than a like a six or seven-time host. 0:39:11 - JDWell, I look at Adam Driver at this point. Adam Driver, to me, is amazing as a host, and I've watched a couple of the other Gold episodes. You know, I know it's different, I know it's from a bygone era, but it didn't resonate with me, you know. 0:39:27 - ThomasYeah, exactly Now, that's a good example, Adam Driver. I think John Hamm as a host was far, far better than somebody like Elliot Golden. So I hosted three times. So, yeah, I'm actually as far as I like Elliot Gold, but he wasn't necessarily one of the hosts that totally stood out to me even from that era. 0:39:47 - JDWell, we lost three others. I'll go in reverse order. At 8.4%, Elvis Costello. He went down from 8.2%, or actually, he went up, but not enough. Miley Cyrus has been on the ballot for all three cycles. She went from 7.1 to 7.6 to 8.1. So she was growing, but at this rate, she would have had to be on for like 15 election cycles to hit the 66.7 if she grew at that rate. And then Drew Barrymore went from 9.9 to 7.7. I think that's again. You know, she was an interesting choice for a nominee and it made for a good episode, but I definitely don't think of Drew Barrymore as synonymous in any way with SNL. 0:40:36 - ThomasI agree with that. I enjoy talking to Nicole Robine about Drew Barrymore and it was fun to re-explore Drew Barrymore's work, but I agree, I think I don't have a problem with her, same with Miley Cyrus. Elvis Costello is an interesting example to me of somebody who had a memorable moment on SNL, but it was a moment And he had other pretty good performances and whatnot. He was on the 25th anniversary with Beastie Boys, but really with Elvis Costello. it was that moment, in 1977 or whenever, that ended up getting him banned from the show, or I see you. so I say banned in quotes because who the heck knows if that was an official ban from Lorne, but it was an infest When we get Lorne on, we'll ask. 0:41:23 - JDWe'll ask him, that'll be one of the first things that we'll ask Lorne when he's on the show. 0:41:28 - ThomasYeah, so that's an example to me of like it was a memorable, infamous moment. Yes, But does Elvis Costello's appearances in his work on SNL warrant a Hall of Fame selection? Our voters said no. I agree with the voters. 0:41:42 - JDYeah, I think our voters I think, by and large, the voters got it right this time. Maybe, you know, maybe the Conan one is a little tenuous, but I'm certainly not angry that Conan O'Brien is in our Hall of Fame like I think. I think he will add some name recognition. I'm angry. 0:42:00 - ThomasWhat the hell, Conan, are you kidding me? No, i. 0:42:06 - JDThink that The voters did a great job. Now We'll wrap up here, just going over Anybody that you want to sort of discuss, so that you can see a pathway for season four. Obviously, the ballot will be restocked with 15 new names next year, but it's definitely peeled down from what it has been, so it won't be as monstrous next year when you vote. Is there anybody that you see that has a path to next year, or is there anybody you see that you're worried about Sliding out of contention? 0:42:41 - ThomasSo the person who I'm interested in is their path. So we had we have our first musical guest Paul Simon and the SNL Hall of Fame well deserved. This next person is another musical guest who I believe should be a lock. Snl Hall of Famer Voters haven't quite agreed yet, but Dave Grohl. So Dave Grohl was on the ballot in season two and received 32.2% of the vote. He jumped to 54% of the vote. So I see a path to where we can get in another Musical guest, a deserving musical guest, in Dave Grohl, and I think Anybody who's curious about Dave Grohl in SNL go Relisten to the episode that I did on him with Ryan McNeil. That was, I think. I don't want to pat myself on the back, but I absolutely loved that episode that Ryan and I did. 0:43:36 - JDthat's the episode that we're gonna submit for the potties. 0:43:39 - ThomasYes, Yes episode, because I think you know there was a lot of meat on that bone. Dave Grohl loves the show and has had so many memorable performances on the show in my opinion He jumped from 32 to 54 and I think there's a path to make the next leap for Dave Grohl and I expect, I hope and expect Dave Grohl to be an SNL Hall of Famer sooner rather than later. 0:44:08 - JDNice little rhyme there for me. I am looking at it Right now. I'm looking at James Downey, because James Downey, I feel, belongs in the Hall of Fame and one way or another we're gonna get him in there. But I would love to see him get in through the traditional process of voting. And so far, well, he didn't go up as much as he went up from season one to season two. He went from 30.3 to 44.4. He still managed to slide upward and He finished that just under 50% with 49.5. I think there's a path for him, maybe not season four, but definitely season five If he can continue this growth. But I'd love to see him go in in season four and get his due for sure. 0:44:53 - ThomasYeah, definitely. We have a cluster of writers there that Conan got voted in. Maybe that'll open things up for people to consider other writers. So we had Jack handy, who got 52% of the vote this year. We had James Downey at 49, and Franken and Davis at about 47%. Even Paul Appel got 34% of the vote. So there's like a cluster of writers that I'm interested to see what happens with them If they get, if they start losing steam or if they gain steam, and we all of a sudden look up and there's like Two or three writers, maybe at this time next year. Yeah, that's no Hall of Fame. So that whole writing category is gonna be interesting to me. 0:45:35 - JDThat's name one more that I'll highlight that I'm Really intrigued by, and that's John Mulaney went from 47.7 to 43.3 and then this year fell to 27.3. I don't know what I can attribute that to other than We got two hosts in, so maybe he lost some hosts there because we elected two hosts. Maybe it's because he didn't show up this year. Maybe some people are taking, you know, his, his time away. Maybe they didn't like Baby J. I don't, I don't know, I don't know. It's fascinating to me. 0:46:13 - ThomasI thought Baby J was fantastic for the. I do the record turning his intervention and Stay at the rehab facility into the material and a John Mulaney-type way. I thought I thought that was great. Maybe I don't, maybe he would. They held against quote-unquote off-the-field issues. I don't know, maybe people held that against him or maybe he's they. For me, the thing with Mulaney is I still view him as a Current, I guess. Performer, so maybe that you know, maybe people against him. 0:46:45 - ThomasHe's still an active part of SNL, so that could work against him. So so, yeah, that's an interesting one. Falling 16% from the prior vote is pretty alarming. Actually, that's, that's in. That's a steep fall For for John Mulaney. And I should say to the person who received the highest percentage of the vote without getting in Was Maya Rudolph. Maya Rudolph got 58.3% of the vote, only up from 57.9. Maybe it was just a crowded field as far as cast members, like new cast members coming in Your Dana Carvey's and Jane Jane Curtin's, John Belushi's Maybe that's what stifled a rise for Maya Rudolph. But Maya Rudolph, 58.3% of the vote, the most for anybody who did not get inducted into the SNL Hall of Fame, probably a path for Maya. I think Maya is gonna be in at some point. 0:47:46 - JDYeah, me too. It's too talented to not get the votes needed. 0:47:50 - ThomasToo beloved too, yeah, fan favourite. 0:47:53 - JDAbsolutely Well, Thomas. It's been great going through this with you today and to listeners of the show, it's been great doing this with you again this season. We will return in September and With it with a brand new set of nominees and some great new conversations. Thomas, is there anything you want to wrap on? 0:48:15 - ThomasDo you want me to actually rap? No, I can't. I think it is Thomas Our listenership would drop if I pulled out some of my rhymes. But No, I'm just excited for season four. I'm excited for people to find out kind of how we chose the nominees and who the nominees are. Just the whole process was was very fun for me and, yeah, just looking forward to another season. I want to thank everybody who listens and votes and just doing this podcast means the world to me. I was telling Jamie, this is like this is my number one hobby is doing research and talking to the guests and Editing and pulling it, putting out these shows. So it's just been a wonderful, wonderful thing. So I'm excited to keep going, excited for a brand new season. And the seas parted, we had 11 inductees and we had some people drop off the ballot So we have like, kind of the ballots gonna look a lot different. It's in a lot of ways next time around, so that'll be fascinating. But I just want to thank everybody for listening and voting. 0:49:21 - JDWell, on behalf of Matt, then, Thomas, we bid you adieu as you're leaving today. Please do me a favour and, as you walk past the weekend update exhibit, turn out the lights, because the SNL Hall of Fame is now closed. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
We're joined by Ryan McNeil of the Matinee Cast this week on the show. He's here to join Thomas in a conversation about the career of Bill Murray as a Cast Member of the show. Will Murray make the Hall on the first ballot? Time will tell. If you've got questions about the show or would like to be a guest on an episode in the future please reach out - jamie@snlhof.comYou can follow and support the show through discussion and sharing in all the usual places: https://kite.link/snl-hall-of-fameSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
This week we're changing things up on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast!We've got a round table panel consisting of, Ryan McNeil. Kirstin Turnbull, and Matt Ardill. Their task; reveal and justify their voting for the first half of the SNL Hall of Fame season 2.Join us won't you?If you've got questions about the show or would like to be a guest on an episode in the future please reach out - jamie@snlhof.comYou can follow and support the show through discussion and sharing in all the usual places: https://kite.link/snl-hall-of-fameSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Two-time college national champion and former NFL player, Ryan McNeil, joins host David Meltzter to speak about his transition from the NFL to entrepreneurship and finding his passion. He talks about his early focus to look beyond life as a football player and to prepare for the next steps as a businessman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
We're back on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast with a brand new episode for y'all. Be prepared to learn a lot in this one. From Matt's Minutia Minute to Thomas' conversation with guest Ryan McNeil of the Cinecast this week we are up to elbows in Dave Grohl. And why not? Dude, is a beast of a drummer and singer, he's been on the show an amazing number of times and he's clearly a friend of the show. So join in the fun of the SNL Hall of Fame podcast and buckle up for the fun that ensues. Don't forget to register to vote!If you've got questions about the show or would like to be a guest on an episode in the future please reach out - jamie@snlhof.comYou can follow and support the show through discussion and sharing in all the usual places: https://kite.link/snl-hall-of-fameThe SNL Hall of Fame podcast is a weekly affair: each week we take a deep dive into the career of a former cast member, host, musical guest, or writer and add them to the ballot for your consideration. Once the 30 nominees have been announced we turn to you the listener to vote for the most deserving and determined who will be enshrined for perpetuity. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Kelvin is joined by former 'Cane Ryan McNeil to break down the close loss to Texas A&M.
This week I'm joined by Ryan McNeil, of thematinee.ca, to discuss the SNL Hosting career of multi-hyphenate, Justin Timberlake.Whether you're a fan or not his talents in all facets of the show are undeniable. Certainly, there must be a place in the Hall for a superstar, right?We'll see...If you've got questions about the show or would like to be a guest on an episode in the future please reach out - jamie@snlhof.comYou can follow and support the show through discussion and sharing in all the usual places. Twitter - @SNLHOF Web - snlhof.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Most of my new episodes this year are all about revising, rethinking and revisiting directors covered here in the past. Yes, I guess you can call these sequels but "reboots are in." Joining me to talk about one of my favorite filmmakers this time are two wonderful podcasters and writers of the highest caliber. Returning guest Ryan McNeil of The Matinee.Ca is back alongside the one and only Marya Gates making her Director's Club debut that I could not be more excited about since it turns out, Jane Campion is her favorite director. We run down pretty much her entire filmography. There's also some discussion about a few Sundance 2022 titles for the what we watched segment as well including BRAINWASHED: SEX-CAMERA-POWER. 00:00 - 09:18 - Introduction 09:19 - 28:31 - What We Watched Recently 28:32 - 01:35:02 - Campion Discussion 1 01:35:03 - 02:11:46 - Campion Discussion 2 02:11:47 - 02:18:34 - Top 3 Campion / Outro Follow All-Things Marya Gates: https://linktr.ee/oldfilmsflicker https://letterboxd.com/oldfilmsflicker Follow All-Things Ryan McNeil: http://www.thematinee.ca https://letterboxd.com/matinee Ryan & Marya Review The Power Of The Dog: http://www.thematinee.ca/episode274 Jim, Patrick & Steven Ray Morris Talk Campion A Decade Ago: https://directorsclubpodcast.libsyn.com/website/episode-36-jane-campion Check Out A New Podcast That Just Launched On NPN: http://www.nowplayingnetwork.net/the-friendship-dilemma
Alan Carter talks with Ryan McNeil, assistant professor of medicine and director of harm-reduction research at Yale University about the Opioid Crisis, and the rise of Benzo Dope See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast I am joined by Ryan McNeil from the matinee.ca to discuss his nominee, Prince! Despite missing a large chunk of time between appearances in 8H Ryan makes the case that Prince absolutely belongs in the Hall. In the end, however, it's all up to you when the time comes to vote. So sit back and enjoy the discussion Ryan and I have and make up your own mind.If you've got questions about the show or would like to be a guest on an episode in the future please reach out - jamie@snlhof.comYou can follow and support the show through discussion and sharing in all the usual places. Twitter - @SNLHOF Web - snlhof.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/snlhof/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
It's not new here on the podcast for me to get enough of a push to do a special episode of the show. Even better yet when that push comes from a guest as fun…Read More
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In contrast to the last episode, this time we cover the work of someone more recent and with a much smaller filmography. Since all four films touch upon similar themes, culminating in what's now considered a masterpiece, we chronologically cover the work of French filmmaker Celine Sciamma starting with Water Lillies and ending with Portrait of a Lady on Fire. Joining me on the journey are returning guests Ryan McNeil of the Matinee Cast as well as friend and film writer Kate Blair. In addition, the what we watched segment covers a lot of ground as well ranging from Basket Case to The Offence and much more! 00:00 - 11:10 - Introduction 11:11 - 11:59 - What We Watched Song 12:00 - 40:36 - What We Watched This Week 40:37 - 41:24 - Director Song 41:25 - 02:16:50 - Director Discussion (all 4 films) 02:16:51 - 02:33:21 - Outro Support Jim’s latest endeavor to help music venues during the pandemic: https://justafan.bandcamp.com Follow Kate: https://letterboxd.com/selective_kate/ Follow Ryan: https://www.thematinee.ca
Ryan McNeil is a former NFL All-Pro Cornerback who played 11 years in the NFL. Currently, Ryan is the Founder and Managing Partner of OT Enterprises, Inc. a media, marketing and technology firm focused on the business and lifestyle of sports. His path to becoming a high performer led him to the University of Miami where he was a captain of the team that won 2 National championships. He later on became the 1st pick of the Detroit Lions in the 1992 draft. Ryan was a All-Pro during his illustrious 11-year career but what stands out the most about Ryan was his focus on his businesses when he was playing pro ball. The principles that gave him success on the field were the same off the field too. What you will learn: -To be the best you have to “play-up” -the feeling of being wanted can propel you to another level -principles of the classroom and the field (study = success) -being prepared can help speed up your learning curve -martial arts and discipline -begin w/the end in mind -owning your path -using past experiences to track/define success -paying your dummy tax -carrying your own boxes -leverage who you are -finding a mentor was a key, open to learn new things, allow yourself to make mistakes -good leaders align their words w/their actions, they are the standard -leaders create other leaders -S.W.A.T. analysis (structure for your life) Connect w/ Ryan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryandmcneil/ (LinkedIn) https://mailchi.mp/4cea800dcde5/sportsid/ (Website) https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=577369636 (FB) Let's connect: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-molden-9693431b/ (LinkedIn) https://www.instagram.com/alexmolden/ (IG) https://www.facebook.com/alex.molden1/ (Facebook) https://open.acast.com/shows/5e759e3195fa07a414c9afe8/episodes/www.alexmoldenspeaks.com (website) Don't forget to Subscribe, Rate & Review (5 stars are cool)! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Film critic Ryan McNeil (@matinee_ca) explains why Birds of Prey is one of the DCEU's best films. Articles mentioned in episode: Birds of Prey, Trauma and the Female Gaze; Allyship is More Than Acknowledging Privilege
From The NFL to the Boardroom | C-Level with Guest: Ryan McNeil It gives us a chance to reflect back on what has been happening and it gives us chance to kind of plan strategize how we move forward. C-Level I'm excited to have Ryan McNeil former NFL player and the CEO of Sports ID. What is good Ryan? Everything's good Chris, thanks for having me. It's nice to be on the show. I look forward to the conversation. - Yeah me too. So I mean for the small majority people that don't know who you are let's get a little bit background on you and then let's let's dive right into Sports ID and what you're doing over there. So quick and dirty I've been around sports most of my life. More than four decades, damn that makes me old but nonetheless mainly as an athlete executive consultant and a business person and so played college football University of Miami. We were pretty good back then. Two national championships, two number twos, one number three, only lost five games in five years. That led to me to being the Detroit Lions first pick in 1993. Played 12-years in NFL. Two-time ALL Pro two-time, Pro Bowler and entrepreneur at heart. So I always been an entrepreneur and and so Sports ID allows me to combine my two passions in sports and technology. You know and I really have a lot of appreciation for athletes that come out and become entrepreneurs and start these businesses, and do these different things because sometimes you've got sports it has a shelf life and so it's like what's the next thing? So having guys like you go out there and creating new businesses, your man after my own heart.
2020 has started out pretty rough. If you’re a viewer begging for the next new thing who thought that when the virus locked down many businesses (including cinemas) that streaming would solve all your problems, I wonder how sure you are that will eventually come to pass. It’s been almost two months (more dependent on … Continue reading "TUMP [EP#339 – BAD EDUCATION] [w/ RYAN MCNEIL]"
Ryan McNeil and I prepare for the worst as we step into the time-shifting Innocent, and look at a really hostile move. In this episode we discuss escalation in PbtA; what it means to have moves "on the table"; and how different triggers drive different play. A full length bonus version of this episode is available at patreon.com/thehardmove. The Hard Move was created by Matthew Gravelyn, and is hosted and produced by Sidney Icarus. You can follow the show on Twitter @TheHardMove. Music is by Nick Gravelyn. You can find his work at nickgravelyn.com You can follow Ryan on Twitter at @transalaskin. Content featured in this episode is from Masks and Halycon City Herald, both published by Magpie Games, with lead writing by Brendan Conway. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/thehardmove/support
Best of the Best is Third Coast’s annual ode to audio storytelling, taking listeners on a journey through the full breadth of what’s possible in stories made from sound. This episode showcases three of the winning stories from the 19th annual Third Coast / Richard H. Driehaus Foundation Competition. These stories all won different awards (Skylarking, Best News Feature, and Radio Impact), but they all share a theme: investigations.Punks, produced by Kathy Tu, co-produced by Tobin Low and Matt Collette, sound designed by Jeremy Bloom, edited by Jenny Lawton, and executive produced by Paula Szuchman for Nancy from WNYC Studios.Winner of the 2019 Skylarking AwardA mystery story about a man, a movie, and a mad-cap adventure to unite the two.Death in Illinois Prisons: He Didn’t Have The Death Penalty But That’s What He Got, produced by Shannon Heffernan and edited by Rob Wildeboer for WBEZ.Winner of the 2019 Best News Feature AwardEvery year, people die in Illinois prisons. Reporter Shannon Heffernan uncovered that the state hasn’t been keeping detailed records of these deaths, meaning that families couldn’t learn even the simplest details about how and why their loved one died. Change Intolerance, produced by Sam Fenn and Garth Mullins, co-produced by Lisa Hale, Alexander Kim, and Ryan McNeil for the podcast Crackdown, with editorial support from Laura Shaver and Chereece Keewatin.Winner of the 2019 Radio Impact AwardIn 2014, the province of British Columbia suddenly switched nearly 15,000 methadone patients to a new formulation of the drug called Methadose. Led by a team of Vancouver’s most experienced drug user activists, this story is an investigation into what happened afterwards.You can hear all the winning stories from the 2019 Competition at ThirdCoastFestival.org.The program is made possible with support from the Richard H. Driehaus Foundation and distributed to public radio stations by PRX.Music in this hour by pine voc (“Let Your Household Objects Sing”), Jeevs (“Anesthesia”), VicthorA3 (“Semi Cold Night”), Niteffect (“Selfie”), and Genx Beats. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Ryan McNeil is the District Manager of the Fresno Mosquito and Vector Control District. He's in charge of trying to kill all the mosquitoes that invade your backyard parties! Mosquitoes are getting more populace in Central California, but you can help! Ryan gives us the ins and outs of controlling these pesky pests and the truth and myths (no they didn't release a bunch of extra ones in the past few years) about mosquito abatement in Fresno. Craig Scharton and Paul Swearengin both found the conversation fascinating, and we think you will too! Thanks to Terry's House for serving as our title sponsor.
Ryan McNeil is a friend of mine who I met a few years back at CrossFit Plattsburgh. He worked on the wind turbines locally & since has moved to Texas to do the same. Ryan was back visiting for a day & it was fun catching back up. He shares a love of podcasts, which we get into, along with Comedy, CrossFit & MMA. Hope you enjoy the show. The Gaelan Trombley Show Intro Music: ♫Music By♫ ●DJ Quads - Finding Happiness ●Song - https://youtu.be/cHerVNuaFog ●Follow DJ Quads - http://smarturl.it/dj-quads Outro Music: ♫Music By♫ ●DJ Quads - A Bouquet Of Roses ●Song/Free Download - https://youtu.be/ooTW6iDhXqY ●Follow DJ Quads - http://smarturl.it/dj-quads Realty Talk Intro & Outro Music: ♫Music By♫ ●DJ Quads -Midnight Snack ●Song - https://youtu.be/eLV1H7Y0fFo ●Follow DJ Quads - http://smarturl.it/dj-quads
Kelvin Harris and Ryan McNeil break down the Hurricanes' easy win over Savannah State. Is this the "slump buster" the 'Canes needed? Plus, they go "back the day" to take a look at McNeil's years with the Hurricanes.
Join Myself, Ryan McNeil, Victor Wyatt and Sara McMillen as we play a game of Monsterhearts set in the early years of WW2 as a group of children are evacuated from London to the sleepy English Countryside. This game is part of the Gauntlet Community http://www.gauntlet-rpg.com
Two-time college national champion and former NFL player, Ryan McNeil, joins host David Meltzter to speak about his transition from the NFL to entrepreneurship and finding his passion. He talks about his early focus to look beyond life as a football player and to prepare for the next steps as a businessman.
It's here. The ACC Championship Game! Former 'Canes Kelvin Harris and Ryan McNeil break down the Clemson Tigers in all phases of the game. The "U" won't really be back until they win another national title, but this would be a great start.
Kelvin Harris and Ryan McNeil break down the first loss of the season for the Hurricanes. They are still optimistic about the future but no one gets a game ball after Friday's loss. They also discuss the crazy amount of coaching changes taking place throughout the sport.
Former Hurricane and three-time national champion Kelvin Harris is joined by his co-host, two-time national champion Ryan McNeil to recap the win over Virginia. They break down how the Hurricanes performed in all aspects of the game.
Ryan Coogler's Creed, much like its protagonist Adonis Johnson Creed, strives to carve out its own path while dealing with the weight of his legacy. The seventh film in the Rocky franchise, not only pays homage to the films in the series that came before it, but forges its own identity while carrying the torch for a whole new generation. In this episode, we are joined by film critic Ryan McNeil to discuss why Creed ranks amongst the best boxing films in the last couple of decades. We also take time to highlight our short film picks: Quand J'ai Remplacé Camille by Nathan Otaño, Rémy Clarke & Leïla Courtillon and Standing 8 by Michael Molina Minard. 5:51 When She Replaced Camille 14:18 Standing 8 25:58 Creed
In South Louisiana folks often say we we don t eat to live, we live to eat. Stephanie s guests on this edition of Out to Lunch have taken that Louisiana passion for food and turned it into business enterprises. Ryan McNeil is the founder and co owner of Fresh Kitchen, a growing company that sells freshly prepared, prepackaged and healthful meals from two Baton Rouge locations. Fresh Kitchen has only been in business for a little over one year and already it is expanding, with plans to open still more stores in the future. Erin Nugent is co founder of Five Seaons. Kicking off with the publication of their eponymous cookbook, Erin and her company have a plan for world domination built around seasonal food availability and a 5th season for those evergreen recipes for all seasons. If things go according to the business plan you ll be able to say you heard it here first. Malcom Young is Baton Rouge s Pied Piper of Salsa his loyal foodie fans follow his Malco s Magnificent Salsa to the Saturday morning Red Stick Farmer s Market where he regularly sells out. Now they can find Malco s in stores around Baton Rouge, spreading to New Orleans, and like Five Seasons, soon the rest of the world. Placed between the two typically regarded poles of Louisiana cooking New Orleans and Lafayette Baton Rouge is stepping up its culinary business game. Watch this space, foodies, and get a taste of Baton Rouge. Photos at Mansur s on the Boulevard by Ken Stewart. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week we have the pleasure of hosting Ryan McNeil from http://www.thematinee.ca/ He knew what black…Read the postThat’s Not How Mind Palaces Work
This week on Thursday Night Tailgate our guests are: Sports 1 Marketing CEO David Meltzer, former Lions & Rams DD Ryan McNeil, former Jaguars Pro Bowl Kicker Mike Hollis, former Rangers & Yankees OF Billy Sample, former 49ers & Dolphins Pro Bowl RB Delvin Williams, Brooklyn Bolts Center Mike Golic Jr., and former Jaguars QB & Florida A&M Offensive Coordinator Quinn Gray. Join Chris Mascaro and Bob Lazzari every Thursday night from 8:00-10:00 PM EST as they talk with current and former players and coaches from around the NFL & CFL on "Thursday Night Tailgate." Chris and Bob talk football with the greats of the game year round so set a reminder, you don't want to miss an episode. Plus, check out the TNT web site: www.thursdaynighttailgate.com to keep track of upcoming guests, stream or download any of our archived episodes, plus see what players are saying about the show. “I want to congratulate you on your outstanding show. I’m extraordinarily impressed. I’ve been on a lot of shows over the years in various cities but this one is exceptional." Andy Russell, Former Pittsburgh Steelers LB
Explores clinicians’ preparedness to provide care, and the steps taken to overcome shortcomings in clinical training in regard to the social determinants of health.
Movie podcaster and blogger Ryan McNeil of The Matinee Cast joins us for an enlightening conversation on the incredibly creative Michel Gondry. We focus on his beloved 2nd breakthrough success, ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND, as well as his anticipated follow-up but widely misunderstood THE SCIENCE OF SLEEP. In addition, Ryan reviews PICKPOCKET, Jim requests to see more films like RACE WITH THE DEVIL, and Patrick decides to talk about his love of the music video art form, since Gondry had such a tremendous impact and is considered one of the most uniquely conceptual directors.In a couple weeks, we will be talking about the winner of the listener's poll, Kathryn Bigelow. Please be sure to leave us a voicemail to play on the show at 224-366-9528. If you’re a movie blogger/podcaster and would like a guest spot on the show to talk about a filmmaker whose work you admire (or despise). Thanks again for listening and be sure to check out our updated upcoming schedule in the sidebar to see which directors we’ll be talking about soon! Questions are always welcome via email: directorsclubpodcast@gmail.com
Jasam Radio welcomes to the airwaves Scott Reeves. Fans know him as "Dr. Steven Webber" on the daytime drama, General Hospital and fans of the daytime drama, The Young and The Restless remember him as Ryan McNeil. But Scott took a break from the bright lights of Hollywood and moved to Nashville, TN with his family. During his time in Nashville, Scott started his own Country Western Band called Blue County which was nominated for a Country Music Award. In 2009, Scott joined General Hospital and became a founding member of the cover band, Port Chuck with fellow cast mates, Steve Burton, Brandon Barash, and Bradford Anderson. Scott and the band are getting ready to rock the General Hospital Fan Club Weekend on Friday night and they are prepping for their third tour in August.
Jasam Radio welcomes to the airwaves Scott Reeves. Fans know him as "Dr. Steven Webber" on the daytime drama, General Hospital and fans of the daytime drama, The Young and The Restless remember him as Ryan McNeil. But Scott took a break from the bright lights of Hollywood and moved to Nashville, TN with his family. During his time in Nashville, Scott started his own Country Western Band called Blue County which was nominated for a Country Music Award. In 2009, Scott joined General Hospital and became a founding member of the cover band, Port Chuck with fellow cast mates, Steve Burton, Brandon Barash, and Bradford Anderson. Scott and the band are getting ready to rock the General Hospital Fan Club Weekend on Friday night and they are prepping for their third tour in August.
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