Podcast appearances and mentions of Adam Driver

In the sketch, Adam Driver appears as Jeffrey Epstein in Hell, sharing space with other controversial public figures—one being Alan Dershowitz (played by Jon Lovitz). The setup is absurd and dark: Dershowitz is preparing his impeachment defense when he ends up transported to Hell, where he is greeted by Epstein, who greets everything with an unnerving nonchalance, saying he's “just hanging” in Hell, a grim reference to Epstein's death by suicide in prison. The sketch mingles satire with shock, using the ludicrous setting to comment on how scandal, power, denial, and guilt function in public lifeThe cold open also includes other figures in Hell—Mitch McConnell, Flo from Progressive, the “Baby Shark” songwriter, etc.—turning the scene into a weirdly populated waiting room of immoral celebrity and public scandal. There are jokes about conspiracy theories around Epstein's death, with Epstein quipping “I wish you could have been there in person” after Dershowitz complains about missing something, and Epstein responding “Yeah, it's too bad I was murdered.” The tone is uncomfortable comedy: it forces laughter but also forces audience to think about the real grotesque elements of the Epstein scandal—death, power, impunity.To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/26/snl-cold-open-alan-dershowitz-reunites-with-just-hanging-jeffrey-epstein-in-hell/amp/Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-epstein-chronicles--5003294/support.

In the episode, Chris is back from Peru and they talk movies. First, after the intro, they talk Jim Jarmusch's latest drama comedy stuff that he does with Father Mother Sister Brother starring Tom Wait, Adam Driver, Mayim Bialik, Cate Blanchett, Charlotte Rampling among others. Then, after news, they talk the second installement of the reboot of Mortal Kombal, Mortal Kombat II. This one had mf'in Karl Urban and mf'in Johnny Cage. Is Father Mother Sister Brother a family reunion from hell? Does Mortal Kombat II kick some butt? Listen and find out chum....p. Oh yeah , if you want a 100% free sticker (we even pay postage) send us a message! www.moviesthatdontsuck.net https://w2mnet.com/category/podcasts/movies-that-dont-suck-and-some-that-do www.patreon.com/moviesthatdontsuck https://www.bonfire.com/movies-that-dont-suck-and-some-that-do-logo/ FB: facebook.com/moviesthatdontsuckpodcast Bluesky: @moviesthatdontsuck.bsky.social

In the sketch, Adam Driver appears as Jeffrey Epstein in Hell, sharing space with other controversial public figures—one being Alan Dershowitz (played by Jon Lovitz). The setup is absurd and dark: Dershowitz is preparing his impeachment defense when he ends up transported to Hell, where he is greeted by Epstein, who greets everything with an unnerving nonchalance, saying he's “just hanging” in Hell, a grim reference to Epstein's death by suicide in prison. The sketch mingles satire with shock, using the ludicrous setting to comment on how scandal, power, denial, and guilt function in public lifeThe cold open also includes other figures in Hell—Mitch McConnell, Flo from Progressive, the “Baby Shark” songwriter, etc.—turning the scene into a weirdly populated waiting room of immoral celebrity and public scandal. There are jokes about conspiracy theories around Epstein's death, with Epstein quipping “I wish you could have been there in person” after Dershowitz complains about missing something, and Epstein responding “Yeah, it's too bad I was murdered.” The tone is uncomfortable comedy: it forces laughter but also forces audience to think about the real grotesque elements of the Epstein scandal—death, power, impunity.To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/26/snl-cold-open-alan-dershowitz-reunites-with-just-hanging-jeffrey-epstein-in-hell/amp/

“Kylo Ren meeting Palpatine should be a big deal!” - ChrisOn this week's episode, we're heading back to a galaxy far, far away once again to chat about the Star Wars film that flew the franchise into the mountain, The Rise of Skywalker!Is this movie the best argument ever for why studios should never listen to the Internet? Has Richard E. Grant's grand talent ever been more wasted than this role as General Pryde? Shouldn't they have tried another way to handle the Leia issue? What a slap in the face with that Chewbacca medal crap at the end, right? And anybody else up for getting some shark teeth put in? PLUS: Palpatine puts the first five rows of his arena into the Zap Zone!Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker stars Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Anthony Daniels, Naomi Ace, Domhnall Gleeson, Richard E. Grant, Lupita Nyong'o, Keri Russell, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, Greg Grunberg, Ian McDiarmid, Billie Lourd, Dominic Monaghan, Billy Dee Williams, and Shirley Henderson as the voice of Babu Frik; directed by J.J. Abrams.Come hang out in Vegas with us this summer as we do a three-night stand at ST:LV to celebrate 60 years of Star Trek and 10 years of The Nexus! We'll be at the convention Thursday, Friday and Saturday night doing three Nexus shows on Wrath of Kahn, Generations, and First Contact! Best part is, you don't need to have a convention pass to attend, each show is ticketed separately. Click through to snag your tix now!Be sure to visit the WHM Merch shop over on Dashery and check out all the latest show-related designs you can slap on t-shirts, hats, coffee mugs, stickers, whatever! Make your friends jealous by flaunting some WHM merch today! Original cover art by Felipe Sobreiro.

They did, y'all, they really did it. They managed to make Adam Driver fighting dinosaurs with blasters so uncool and boring, it truly boggles the mind. Russ and Jared are still confused about why the movie industry inflicted this upon us all, but the guys are breaking down 65 (2023), starring Adam Driver, Ariana Greenblatt, Chloe Coleman, Nika King, and Brian Dare. Stay tuned for an all-new Trailer Trash next week!

It's Chris Ryan Week!! While Nora gets hitched and honeymooned during the month of May, we'll have four very special besties on the pod to talk about their obsessions. Up third is Chris Ryan! Jodi and Chris get into his skincare journey, this week's news about men (and hats), some sports drama, young and rich celebrity couples, and, due to very popular demand, the new (straight) hockey show ‘Off Campus.' (00:00:00) Welcoming Chris Ryan to the pod (00:03:32) Chris Ryan's skincare journey (00:08:10) ‘Summer House' reunion trailer (00:19:21) John Travolta's berets at Cannes (00:25:29) Adam Driver and other men at Cannes (00:32:50) Pedro Pascal “surprising” fans at Disneyland (00:36:49) Steve Kerr is a Swiftie (00:42:07) TikTok ‘Willing and Able' NBA edits (00:46:56) What's going on with Victor Wembanyama? (00:50:56) The Southampton FC spying controversy (00:53:27) Kendall and Kylie and their actor boyfriends (01:00:19) Olivia Rodrigo and Cameron Winter (01:07:07) ‘Off Campus' (01:39:31) Personal obsessions Shop Pandora today, in-store or online at Pandora.net. Host: Jodi Walker Guest: Chris Ryan Producers: Sasha Ashall and Belle Roman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Volume 90 of Brad & Mira For the Culture...Mira triumphs at her grandmother's funeral...gives a stirring keynote...her health problems seem to be abating...stressing about Spencer Pratt...Mira's uncle went to high school with Pratt...egged his house "at least 15 times"...the constant operatic morality play of Brad's Starbucks experiences...getting ready for Guatemala...worried about diarrhea...Travolta goes way too French on the red carpet at Cannes...Adam Driver responds to questions about Famesick...Amy Schumer's botched colonoscopy...Apple Martin beats the odds and gets a plum job in Hollywood...& more... *** ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Otherppl with Brad Listi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers. Available where podcasts are available: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, etc. Get ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠How to Write a Novel,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ the debut audio course from DeepDive. 50+ hours of never-before-heard insight, inspiration, and instruction from dozens of today's most celebrated contemporary authors. Subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Brad's email newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support the show on Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email the show: letters [at] otherppl [dot] com The podcast is a ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠proud affiliate partner of Bookshop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, working to support local, independent bookstores. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

First, Katey catches up with Premiere Party's Richard Lawson from across town in Cannes, where they talk about festival hits like Club Kid and Hope and why this festival has been an especially weird one. Next, Katey talks to Daniel Radcliffe about his turn toward TV comedy with The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins, his earliest comedy influences, and how he learned that he too could be funny. 00:00 Intro 01:09 Welcome To Cannes 01:57 Paper Tiger Leads Oscar Buzz 05:32 Adam Driver's Career-Best? 08:19 Predicting The Palme D'or 10:22 The Booing Tradition 12:50 Why Club Kid Won Cannes 15:24 Hope's Big Budget Action 17:09 Big Spectacle Vs Quiet Art 19:25 Coward Could Be A Contender 20:49 The Queer Palm 23:35 Our Favorite Films So Far 28:04 Next: Daniel Radcliffe 29:13 Why He Couldn't Say No To Reggie 32:14 Playing Arthur Tobin 34:32 The Comedies That Shaped Him 38:51 Finding His Comedic Voice 42:34 Hosting SNL At 21 47:17 Learning To Dance On Demand 49:36 The Truth About The Car Jump ⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe today⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Prestige Junkie After Party bonus episodes for just $5 a month. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to the Prestige Junkie newsletter.  Follow Katey on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Letterboxd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow The Ankler. 

When did we get to the point where movies have to have long names? Like how did we get from "M" to "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"? A real question Russ and Jared want answers to, while getting back to good old fashioned short-titled movies with the trailer for 65 (2023), starring Adam Driver, Ariana Greenblatt, Chloe Coleman, Nika King, and Brian Dare. Stay tuned for the full episode next week!

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Remember when Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson tricked us?! Is Tom Cruise next? Alex Cooper is pregnant. Adam Driver is saving it for his own book. Lena Dunham is top of mind these days. Cleavage for men is here, and Vinnie is pissed. Does Ketchup belong in the fridge? What about bread? New cities are enjoying getting to know Waymo.

Hour 1: Sarah is already craving lobster at 6am. James Franco will return to the big screen this year. Sarah and Vinnie aren't sure how to feel about this. Travis Kelce knows his place. Kim Kardashian is getting a man out of death row. A little sports chat. Ronda Rousey defeats Gina Carano in Netflix's latest MMA fight. It's prom season! Think twice before showing up in a helicopter. How about a lesson on ginseng! Hour 2: Remember when Liam Neeson and Pamela Anderson tricked us?! Is Tom Cruise next? Alex Cooper is pregnant. Adam Driver is saving it for his own book. Lena Dunham is top of mind these days. Cleavage for men is here, and Vinnie is pissed. Does Ketchup belong in the fridge? What about bread? New cities are enjoying getting to know Waymo. Hour 3: Sarah remembers the last time she saw Santana. Will Ferrell on SNL! The gender pay gap also applies to MMA - in case you were wondering. Tom Brady looks good in all leather. Does Aaron Rodgers really have a wife? This cake is on fire! High speed buses! Sounds like a great idea. A woman fainted behind the wheel with her 8-year old daughter in the car. Oh, so that's what Ohio is like. Hour 4: Kiefer Sutherland had to cancel his US country music shows due to low ticket sales. Ella Langley swept at the Academy of Country Music Awards. Lainey Wilson and Devlin “Duck” Hodges tied the knot in Tennessee. Chores are an important part of life - which are you choosing? Help! Vinnie is the only one who remembers this piece of slang. Opportunity, bad ideas, and boredom leads to bad news. The happiest cities in the world! Plus, when did that happen?

Eve Jackson brings us an update from the mid-point of the 79th Cannes Film Festival as Adam Driver joins Miles Teller and director James Grey on the red carpet for "Paper Tiger", a film that explores corruption and moral downfall in the United States of the 1980s.

Joe Rogan concerned about “crazy” Theo Von, The Crash on Netflix, Stephen Colbert's lame farewell week, Chelsea Handler angry over the Roast of Kevin Hart, Jordan Hudson v. Dianna Russini, Ronda Rousey v. Gina Carano, and Mojo forced to apology. Eli Zaret has been moved to tomorrow's show due to the Detroit Pistons/Cleveland Cavaliers Game 7. There is a great Martin Short documentary on Netflix: Marty, Life Is Short. The Crash on Netflix covers the wild story of Mackenzie Shirilla. Wade Wilson, the Deadpool Killer, pulls all kinds of chicks (and dudes). Will Donald Trump endorse Spencer Pratt for LA Mayor? The 2 Angry Men Podcast comments on the campaign. Spencer is cranking out new ads. The View hates Spencer Pratt. Michael is still killing it in theaters. Geoffrey Mark claims Michael Jackson was just entertaining children. Jermaine Jackson is a rapist too. Sounds like Tom Cruise is getting balls deep in Pamela Anderson. Dak Prescott is banging a member of his ex's bridal party. Britney Spears is back to posting on social media after her crazy dinner last week. Stephen Colbert is taking forever to go away. The Kevin Hart Roast is still in the news due to a really mean George Floyd joke. Chelsea Handler went on with Don Lemon to talk bad about the event she participated in. Shane Gillis explains some jokes from the roast. Mojo from Mojo in the Morning made a stupid joke about dogfighting and has now CAVED to the mob. JLo is caught being a complete diva on the streets of New York. Caitlyn Clark's coach won't give her her due. Jordon Hudson is angry that the media doesn't want to cover the Mike Vrabel and Dianna Russini story. Lena Dunham rips Adam Driver in her book and he's taking the high road… for now. Taylor Swift is a bridezilla. Joe Rogan is really concerned about Theo Von. Theo is a bit defensive. Dane Cook looks weird. Old bag Ronda Rousey beats old bag Gina Carano in boring 17 second fight. Easy money. Merch is for sale! Buy it. Or don't. But do. If you'd like to help support the show… consider subscribing to our YouTube Channel, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (Drew Lane, Marc Fellhauer, Trudi Daniels, Jim Bentley, BranDon, and Roberto).

If you, like us, are obsessed with Lena Dunham's latest book Famesick, we're here for you with this special episode. You're welcome. The Girls creator who became the ‘voice of a generation’ is back with a second memoir and Mia, Holly, Amelia and Em are discussing why the world is finally ready to hear her side of the story. From the heights of toxic fame to the depths of chronic illness, her relationship with Jack Antonoff and highly publicised falling-out with showrunner Jenni Konner - we're unpacking it all. Plus, did her parents save her from the darker side of fame or did they actually stop her from ever growing up? We have thoughts. Whether you’re rewatching Girls for the tenth time or you’re reading her memoir like a novel, this is the conversation you’ve been waiting for. Support independent women's media - SUBSCRIBE HERE What To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: A Zero Birthday Freak Out & You've Got Something On Your Face Listen: Wait, There Are Four Styles of Friendship? Listen: A Fashion F-Up & The Ryan Reynolds Of It All Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: The Royal Affair No One Saw Coming Listen: How To Be Liked By Absolutely Everyone Listen: Writing a List of Anti-Goals Made Me Quit My Job Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Support independent women's media - SUBSCRIBE HERE Mamamia Out Loud on Apple What to read: Every piece of celebrity gossip in Lena Dunham's new memoir, ranked. Lena Dunham just returned to the Met Gala. In 2018, her ride home took her straight back to rehab. Lena Dunham disappeared after starring in Girls. She’s finally explaining why. After her high-profile split, Lena Dunham escaped to London. What happened next inspired Too Much. THE END BITS: Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mark, Nathan and Elise discuss the 2019 film Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. Directed by J.J. Abrams and starring Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, and a secret army, the movie focuses on what happens when a powerful emperor somehow returns and shoots force lightning at people. In this episode, they also talk about rushed sequels, treasure hunt movies, and convenient maps. Enjoy!

Continuing with the cycle theme of “Offbeat Musicals”, Julian and Madeline draw from the conception of their friendship with a joint suggestion - Leos Carax's “Annette” (2021). Joining Emilio as a first-time viewer is actor and puppeteer Kelly Autry, a friend of Madeline's since tweendom. Our two seasoned Sparks fans share their background with the musical duo, who write and compose the music for this film, and try their best to initiate those who are new to the band's unique musical style. Although many may know “Annette” as “the Adam Driver puppet musical”, the group digs into themes of originality, self-sabotage, and the nature of performance. Their opinions of the film may vary, but the group agrees that “Annette” becomes richer with a discussion among friends, and in the value of “simple stories expressed unconventionally”, in the words of past guest Shaun Seneviratne.Kelly Autry is an actor, singer, dancer, and puppeteer, who can be seen performing around New York City. Follow him on IG: @kelly_a_autryIf you enjoy our podcast, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. This really helps us find new listeners and grow!Follow us on YouTube, IG and TikTok: @sleeplesscinematicpodSend us an email at sleeplesscinematicpod@gmail.comOn Letterboxd? Follow Julian at julian_barthold and Madeline at patronessofcats

Lena Dunham shot the pilot for the HBO series Girls at age 24. Quickly, she was launched into the creative spotlight but the author says she was not prepared for “everything that came with it.” In her new memoir Famesick, Dunham recounts the “Wild West” of the 2010s, which included her rapid creative education, chronic health issues, and intense bonds with her Girls co-stars. In today's episode, she tells Wild Card's Rachel Martin about being welcomed into, and stung by, the cultural conversation of this time period and her creative partnership with castmate Adam Driver.To listen to Book of the Day sponsor-free and support NPR's book coverage, sign up for Book of the Day+ at plus.npr.org/bookofthedaySee pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy

Happy spring, and welcome to our May Valentine. ♡ We have a lot to discuss in Significant Lovers-related news, including: -The Drama (starring Significant Lovers alumni Robert Pattinson & Zendaya) …and the worst things we've ever done-The end of ‘Love Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette' -Elizabeth Taylor & Taylor Swift -Olivia Rodrigo & Josua Bassett-More on Justin Bieber & Selena Gomez-New relationship: Jacob Elordi & Kendall Jenner -Lena Dunham's new memoir Famesick - she gives us SO MUCH! Jack Antonoff, Lorde, Adam Driver, and more. Hear the whole episode today by subscribing ⁠⁠on Patreon⁠⁠! 

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“The Force, it's calling to you. Just let it in.” Join Ian, Liam & Kev for our 329th episode as we celebrate our annual Star Wars Day release by jumping to lightspeed into J.J. Abrams' galaxy-reviving blockbuster Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015). Megs? She's not with us this week — She's been recruited by the Resistance after showing a worrying amount of lightsaber proficiency. This week we discuss: The revival question — how The Force Awakens brought Star Wars back to life after a decade away. Nostalgia, safety, or smart recalibration? Daisy Ridley's Rey — mysterious, capable, and instantly central. Is she the perfect modern Star Wars protagonist? Why is her best work done when she's not talking? John Boyega's Finn — defector, comic relief, emotional anchor. Does the film fully realise his potential? Adam Driver's Kylo Ren — volatile, conflicted, and deliberately unfinished. One of the saga's most interesting villains? Ian breaks down the film's structure — echoes of A New Hope. Homage, remix, or outright repetition? Kev dives into the spectacle — practical effects, sound design, and what it's like to watch your first Star Wars Film The legacy characters — Han, Leia, and Luke. How well does the film balance past and future? The humour — lighter, faster, more modern. Does it fit the Star Wars tone? The “show vs tell” balance — does the film rely too heavily on familiarity, or does it earn its emotional beats? The ending — powerful, quiet, and iconic. Does it stick the landing? And finally, whether Star Wars: The Force Awakens is the Best Film Ever — or simply the most important reboot of the modern blockbuster era. Become a Patron of this podcast and support the BFE at https://www.patreon.com/BFE We are extremely thankful to our following Patrons for their most generous support: Juleen from It Goes Down In The PM Hermes Auslander James DeGuzman Synthia Shai Bergerfroind Ariannah Who Loves BFE The Most Paul Komoroski Duane Smith (Duane Smith!) Andy Dickson Chris Pedersen Randal Silva Nate The Great Rev Bruce Richard Ryan Kuketz Dirk Diggler Stew from the Stew World Order podcast NorfolkDomus John Humphrey's Right Foot Timmy Tim Tim Aashrey Youth Hosteling with Chris Eubank Buy some BFE merch at https://my-store-b4e4d4.creator-spring.com/. Massive thanks to Lex Van Den Berghe for the use of Mistake by Luckydog. Catch more from Lex's new band, The Maids of Honor, at https://soundcloud.com/themaidsofhonor Also, massive thanks to Moonlight Social for our age game theme song. You can catch more from them at https://www.moonlightsocialmusic.com/

First up, what if a movie about a serial killer was actually a meet-cute? A new trailer has dropped for a movie with a premise so unhinged we had to stop scrolling, imagine a beloved horror franchise reimagined as a high-stakes New York rom-com starring an iconic leading lady. Laura has all the details and we are obsessed.Plus, one of the most anticipated biopics in history has finally hit the box office, but the reaction has been anything but unified. We unpack why the critics and fans are at war and discuss the difficult reality of separating the art from the artist.And finally, in an extensive new interview, Taylor Swift is officially squashing those rumours of a high-profile industry feud and she has a message for the ‘detectives’ in her fandom. From secret watermarks to her songwriting secrets, we’re looking into the steel boundary she’s just drawn around her personal life.Watch Taylor Swift's full New York Times interview here. 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Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm nam And on the show today. The new Michael Jackson movie has been dominating the box office, but reviews are very split between critics and fans, and you and I have some very strong thoughts out this that we're going to bring to the podcast, so strap in for that. Plus, Taylor sit has given a very lengthy interview to The New York Times, which is always interesting because one that girl does not need to do interviews. She's doing the most right now she always So we're going to go through the biggest reveals from the interview and what the headlines are saying, because there's lots to unpacked there. But first, I want to tell you about a new movie trailer that came out just late last night. I do believe when I was scrolling in bed ooh yeah. 00:49Speaker 2 Sexy, Like is it like a movie you think I'd enjoy? 00:52Speaker 1 I think you and I will be front and center at the cinema when this comes out, because we love a rom com. This is a new rom com and it's what I've been asking for. It's rom com with like super talented Academy Award winning leads in the movie. Wow, but there's I just want to just the premise kind of made me stop for a second because I hadn't heard about this movie until I saw the trailer, and then I thought, hmm, so the premise is, and tell me if you're into this, the premise is, what if the movie The Purge was a rom com? Do you know what the Purge is? Have you seen The Purge and all the Purge sequels? 01:29Speaker 2 Not the sequels? 01:30Speaker 1 Yeah, stopped one. You're like, I've purged enough? Yeah, that's enough Purge. I try to see all the Purge, like the first Purge, how the Purge started, Let's purchase some more. Those aren't the official titles, but get Purge, Get Purged, Purge and get out of here all the sequels. So if anyone who hasn't seen The Purge, I think I know. Actually what trailer you're talking about? Yeah, I think I saw it. Yeah, it's been bopping around. So can I say the movie isn't officially associated with the Purge? I just made that connection when I saw it. I know what I mean. This is a rom com Urge. It's purgees I'm not against, but I'm I so want to know if someone sat down to watch The Purge and was like, what if this was a meet cute? Which, again, if anyone hasn't seen The Purge, the premise of the film is that in order to stop crime, there's one night of the year in America where the film is set, where all crime is legal for a certain period of time, So no. 02:22Speaker 3 Crime is legal and any other day of the year except for this one night, and it's all crime. So it's a lot of murder, yeah, a lot of breaking and entry, yeah, exactly, very scary exactly. 02:32Speaker 1 So it's like, you want to kill your neighbor, there's a night to do that. You want to stab a X or your current partner, there's a night to do that. You want to launder money, that's fine, and so that's and like it's like, so you either go out and you try and be part of the Purge and like kill people and commit crime, or you stay at home. This new movie One Night Only takes that premise and says, what if there was only one night? It's at New York City because that's where all good rom comms take place. What if there was only one night of the year that pre marital sex was legal for single people. 03:04Speaker 2 By the Catholic Church. 03:06Speaker 1 Oh yeah, the popes are producer. He got together with the Perch team and they're like, let's crack out something beautiful. Let's do a collab. A colass that's so dark. So the premise is that, yeah, you know what, unless you're married, you can't hook up with anyone, no sex of any any kind, except for one day. What would you do? Became a free time. They're gonna have Oh my god, so many hot you take up crocheting and watercolor. Yes, I love that. I'm gonna say every in the background of this movie, you did look super like put together and well rested. I'm like, that's because the nights are free. So the idea is like one night of the year you can go out and hook up with whoever you want. And a lot of people use that in the movie is like their night. Some people just use it as a night for wild sex, which fair enough, and the rest some other people use as a night to like find their soulate because I want to hook up. Well, they get married, so that's the thing. So starring in this movie is Monica Barbara. Do you know who that is? I know who she is. Yeah, she was in that movie. We loved that Timothy Shalla main movie. No, that's me. 04:11Speaker 3 No, but I know her from what was that TV show that I recommended for a week in watch that? 04:17Speaker 1 I don't know, let's start Arnold schwartz Nager. That's a you recommendation and like it was just all action flubah. I can't help you out there, Fuba, I think of Fuber. Yeah, she'snt that. I can't remembe all the incredible work this woman has done. That's what you picked out. 04:32Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's the best thing she's been in. 04:34Speaker 1 Because she was also on top gun Maverick she yees who the girl, the one girl, the one girl. 04:40Speaker 3 Oh and she was like the one who like the only one who made like who had a problem with her playing? 04:44Speaker 1 Yeah, because Tom Cruise is like it has to be the girl. Oh my god, I had not put that together to bear the girl who goes down? Yeah, exactly because I can't play Wow, Tom cruiseher hook up with the Purge producers. 04:55Speaker 2 He'd love this. 04:57Speaker 1 And also a young man by the name of cal who American accent in this. Yes, he does so who some people call mister Juwa Liipa because they're getting married. But also he was in Eternity, which was my favorite movie of last year. 05:11Speaker 3 Which was also an interesting rom com with like a twist and the big take. 05:15Speaker 1 I love that Callum Turner, who everyone's like, no, no, he's a serious British actor. He's now like, you know what I'm gonna do is lead rom coms? 05:22Speaker 3 Yes, and Dully has to do that before he becomes the next Bond for like ten years. 05:27Speaker 1 Yeah, and then he can't do anything else. Also, the cast this movie is so interesting, so my Hawk and Julia Fox is in it and z Way by the way, which is so. But also Molly Ringwold, Oh do you know who that is? Did we talk about her? 05:39Speaker 2 No, I'm thinking of someone else. 05:40Speaker 1 No. Molly Ringwold in the I Believe the eighties was like the rom com like Pretty in Pink, all those kind of rom coms. She was like the leading lady. I'm trying to put it so she's like, no, no, if you saw her red hair, you would know her. She was in every iconic sixteen candles Pretty in Pink. 06:00Speaker 2 Oh yeah, oh my god. 06:03Speaker 1 But she's in this, Yeah, because it's important if you're bringing wrong cooms back that the original rom com girl is in there. Oh my god, she's so she was in the Breakfast Club. Yes, and the Breakfast Club like I name all her iconic a. So basically it's Callum Turner and Monica Babaro and they are bout two singles out on this one nine and they meet, but then a series events prevents them as the movie goes on, from hooking up and having sex. But yeah, yeah, I mean if I had a dollar. But also it's like the clock is ticking. So I was watching this trail like Giving Cinderella. I was watching this trail like a thriller. I was like, what's gonna happen next that's gonna prevent them from and when do they start dying? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. How funny for the end like Seaway comes in or someone Molly Ringworld comes in like an at it's actually in the Purge universe. It's like an easter eg Purge movie where you didn't realize it was part of it. It just gotta be thinking though, like what other horror movies do we need to be wrong comms? Like does someone reimagine? Does someone reimagine? Halloween? Is like, he was just a girl who murdered his sister. She was a babysitter. Oh my god, Halloween night. They come together and the mask comes off. A love story Halloween is there something like or scream. It's like he's calling on the phone, but he's actually calling to tell you he likes you, and that's why he has to disguise his voice. Oh my god. It's like there's all these horror movies like, oh. 07:23Speaker 3 Like The Grudge, but it's actually like a merge of like under the Tuscan Sun. She goes to Japan to find this life and build this new house. 07:34Speaker 1 That's just like a little boy living she has to look after. Sorry, what do I want to watch that movie? Should we write movies? I think we should write movies. She's going past the Grudge House and it's so dark and terrified. She's like, just like I need to rebuild this and then she falls in love with. 07:53Speaker 3 Trying to get rid of it, like everyone keeps dying, and she's like, I need to rebuild this house. 07:57Speaker 1 And it's just a montage of her redoing the house, and then she falls in love with the Grudge Ghost, what's beautiful? I like this well, I love this new thing. We keep saying rom coms need to come back. That's so true, and I think this is how we bring them back. We merged them with horror movies. Let's start a fan fiction. But like for rom com slash horror. Absolutely so one night only. I'm excited. 08:18Speaker 2 It's going to be so good. 08:21Speaker 3 So there is a film that's currently in cinemas right now and we have been seeing a lot of mixed reviews on It's called Michael. I mean, if you listen to the intro, you know what movie I. 08:33Speaker 1 Did give that away. 08:33Speaker 3 It's called Michael, and it's a biography on the life of Michael Jackson. So it covers his rise to fame as being the biggest pop star in history. The film covers his career from the nineteen sixties, starting off with the Jackson five to the late nineteen eighties where he ends on his bad tour like album bad. It wasn't a bad tour. It was a pretty good tour from what I've heard it. 08:57Speaker 1 How do you keepel like clarifying, Yeah, a bad tour and like bad bad. 09:03Speaker 3 Oh man, they're the song The song bad. It has a huge cast. So Michael is played by Jaffa Jackson, who was also Michael's nephew. His dad, Joe Jackson is played by colemen Domingo, Mike mis isn't it, Miles Teller, isn't it? It's a massive, massive cast. We personally haven't seen the film. From what I've heard by people who went to the screening, a lot of people loved this film. 09:27Speaker 1 Yeah, I've been seeing like so many people come to me and tell me about movies they've seen which I love. And so many people have said to me that they loved this movie that they were like, like, you know, crying, they were overcome with emotion. I've seen people posting that they're going to go see it again two times, three times to experience in the cinema. And that's also what the box office is telling us, like it's gone crazy well at the box office. It's become like the highest grossing musical bio pick of all time. Even when the trailer came out over a year ago. It's shattered records for a musical biopic trailer and became one of the most watched trailers in Studio's history. For Lionsgate, which is huge because they've released so many blockbusters. Like the fans are telling us that they're obsessed and like they're willing to pay for three movie tickets, which is crazy at a time when like it's hard to get people into a cinema. Yeah. 10:13Speaker 3 One, and from what I've heard what the actual film is about. It's labeled as a biography, but it is a very fun film. Like I heard, the music is amazing, like Jaffar's portrayal of Michael Jackson is amazing. The hard parts I'm assuming that people are crying at is it does depict the emotional and physical abuse he went as a child by his father that was played by but. 10:38Speaker 1 I think crying from like happiness is what I've seen the music because they love the music and seeing us. 10:44Speaker 3 Yeah, it was also sanctioned by the Michael Jackson estate. 10:49Speaker 1 So the Michael Jackson estate paid for a lot of it, right, well, they paid for the reshoots that had to happen. And then obviously his family is super involved, not just his nephew being in the starring role, but his Michael Jackson son Prince, his executive producer, along with all his brothers. It's only really Paris Jackson, his daughter right that has spoken out against it. 11:08Speaker 3 He has spoken out against it. And also his sister Janet Jackson didn't give the rights to her likeliness in the film either, so her car like there's no Janet Jackson in the film or portrayal of Janet Jackson in the film. 11:20Speaker 1 But what you mentioned. 11:21Speaker 3 Before with the reshoot, so the original script started to be looked through around twenty twenty three, with the film being greenlet in twenty twenty five. Like coming to our screens, it was meant to come to our screens last year, and it's been reported that the original script included a storyline that actually happened in nineteen ninety three. So now this movie finishes in nineteen ninety eight, which is when the tour happened. 11:44Speaker 2 It was actually meant to. 11:45Speaker 3 Continue because included the first child abuse allegations towards Michael Jackson by Jordan Chandler. However, with the settlement that happened in real life, Jackson's estate promised to chan the family that they would not be dramatized them in the events around the allegation. However, the estate didn't tell that to the original filmmakers, So that's why the movie had to be pushed and they had to do all these reshoots that was reported cost around fifty million USD. Yeah, I can imagine, So it was massive, massive, And I think that's also comes with the mixed reviews. So a lot of film and TV critics without including all of the allegations towards Michael Jackson that has happened over years with boys who are now men, the film they're saying is just actually really bad, Like it is a bad portrayal of Michael Jackson, and it just skirts over incidents in his childhood and in his life, and it doesn't go into the nuances that a biography should. 12:43Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's kind of what Paris Jackson was saying in her comments about it, which I thought was so interesting. So the reason that she put up a bunch of statements on her Instagram account is that Coleman Domingo, who's in the film, had given an interview to People magazine and he was saying that Paris had been very supportive and was very warm and was like that she was really on board with the film. And then Paris went on her instrum accounts pretty much as soon as that interview went live, and she said, don't be telling people I was helpful instead of a movie I have zero involvement in, because that is so weird. And then she went on to say that she actually read the first drafts of the script and gave notes about everything, and she says there was so much that was dishonest, didn't sit right, didn't address it. And then she said none of her notes were taken on board, so she moved on with her life. But then she said, it's basically that the film really panders to a very specific section of my dad's fandom. This is what she said that still lives in the fantasy and so they're going to be happy with it. And then she went on to say that these Hollywood buyer picks can be very sugarcoated, and she said the narrative is being controlled, and there's a lot of inaccuracy, and there's a lot of full blow and lies. At the end of the day, doesn't really fly with me. Go enjoy it, do whatever, just leave me out of it. Which out of all the family statements, I was like the fact that his daughter is saying there is full blow and lies in this and it's sugar coated and basically leave me out of it. I tried to stop you. But on the other hand, like Prince, her brother is an executive producer, and also Blanket, Michael Jackson's younger son, who I think goes by b G now, So they were both at the premiere with the wider Jackson family, and I think it was only Janet and Paris who weren't there. So it feels like there's quite a big divide behind the scenes. 14:21Speaker 3 Yeah, And it's like a divide that we've known for years, Like we've known that Janet Jackson in particular has had issue with the Michael Jackson estate and there's always been conflict there. But what was really interesting is that the whole film in itself, when I was reading a lot of the reviews and the critics, it's that it feels like exactly what Paris said in her statement, like it does pander to that particular type of Michael Jackson fan who has just like always been obsessed with him as an artist, with his music, with his documentaries that were about him, and it like reinforced and like the film kind of tells those fans that you're allowed to still love that man, and you shouldn't feel bad for loving him. 15:07Speaker 1 And I also think that's why a lot of people have loved this. It's like they've wanted to gather together in cinemas, in spaces like this where they can stand up together. People have been like dressing like him or dressing in merch they have and going to those like shared spaces to celebrate this music that they love. So I think that that's kind of been a catalyst for people buying multiple tickets. But yeah, it is interesting because with all of the allegations against Michael Jackson, and obviously there's a lot of different layers there because you know, he wasn't found guilty of the allegations, but there were settlements that were made, like as a result of that, there were so many different allegations and it was like there's no way to kind of move around the fact that for a huge chunk of his life and career, that was the dominant story about him. And there's a lot of people who were either the accusers or the accusers families that have really been staunchly kind of speaking about that, and that's kind of like a hard thing to reconcile, going and tort to a movie about someone's life and just cutting off and being like and that's it, and they're just like Michael's. 16:08Speaker 3 Like literally just before the first allegation takes place in nineteen ninety three, the movie just cuts at like nineteen ninety eight, So you're only really living in that initial world. And I think the way they're portraying Michael Jackson is like that's the part of his life. For I guess it's more quote unquote modern fans, Like I would count myself as like a modern fan of his music, Like I only found his music through my parents, so I never really saw that beginning stage of his life with like Jackson five and everything and Thriller. It was more like later in life where I like rediscovered his music. And I think that's like the fan base that they really. 16:45Speaker 1 Want to hone down into. Yeah, that's so as a fan of his music, did you give your tickets away to the premiere because you just felt uncomfortable going knowing that that portion of his life and the accusations and the court cases and everything were left out of it. Yeah. 17:00Speaker 3 I think because we are so lucky to like have this job. I knew a lot about the intricacies of the allegations, and we both do because we reported on it for so many like years. Yeah, and I also knew about like all the nuances within the family as well. And I remember reading about Jenna Jackson and like her issues with the estate as well as Paris Jackson, and like the conflict between her and her brothers as well. And I think all of that just compiled into I don't want to watch something that just celebrates his life because I feel icky about that. 17:36Speaker 1 Yeah, that's interesting. That's why I didn't go as well. And also the twos that's why I didn't see the Michael Jackson musical when it came to Australia. And I was really surprised when I went on clicked on pictures of the opening night and like literally every single person I know was there, Yeah, which is fine, Like I think that was weird, but I was just a bit like, oh, I thought there was a big conversation happening and then everyone was like, no, we just want to go see this by all accounts incredible musical, which is also fine. And the same thing with the movie, Like everyone who's told me that they've gone, I haven't said, like anything along the lines of, oh my gosh, why are you going to that? Like I have I know people have gone to see it twice, and I have no judgment against it. I just felt personally that I felt, Yeah, I also felt a little uncomfortable, and I also knew like it wasn't the kind of movie that we would be doing an in depth review on. Yeah, and that's the case, Like you want to you want to go and watch it. You can't review or speak on something that you haven't seen. So like our conversation here isn't about the quality of the movie, although a lot of like that's the interesting thing is like so many critics are like this is a terrible movie, and fans like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen, and it's like got huge, Like the score on like all the different fan accounts, Rotten Tomatoes and stuff is like it's one of the highest reviewed Bier picks from fans of all time. So no judgment around that. I just I'm just interested of how that part of the conversation just got so completely blocked out. Yeah, because I feel like people who went and saw it and loved it don't want to engage. 18:55Speaker 2 They don't want to. 18:56Speaker 1 Look at it. 18:57Speaker 3 They don't want to acknowledge that it exists, but it very much does exists. Like those five men who brought the allegations against Michael Jackson that happened to them when they were young boys between the ages of seven and twelve are still very much here and yeah, and they're like, I think there's one thing of like not acknowledging an alleged perpetrator and alleged an alleged abuser, but it's so different to overtly celebrate them as well. 19:23Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I find really uncomfortable. And I've got to say, like, I come from a slightly easier place with this because I'm not a like I like a lot of Michael Jackson music. Like there's a lot of like Billy Jean, that's a bop. The way you make me feel as someone who was raised on center stage, that's a great smoth criminal. But yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean, you know, I think, listening all the Michael Jackson songs and also like you watch videos of him performing in things, you're like, yeah, he is. He was one of the greatest performers of all time. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Yeah, but also it's not my personal like ride or Die music, like what will, So I'm not grappling with it in the same way it was pretty easy for me to say, like, oh, I might just sit out the musical, I might just sit out the movie. I don't really listen to his music unless it's in a movie or something I love and it comes up, and then I'll listen to it. Like, so I kind of recognize that there's it's a lot harder for people who are like, oh, but I'm a die hard fan, but I also know all these terrible accusations and what do I do with that? Because we all have a version of that, whether it's a movie you loved or like I have TV shows that I loved growing up and it came out that terrible accusations against the people who had made them, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, And so you then have to like, that's my version of the Michael Jackson movie where I have to grapple like do I still watch this, do I still talk positively about it? Do I watch other things that have come out? Because there's all these the same thing, unproven accusations, but very strong accusations. Nonetheless. Yeah, And it's that whole thing of how you grapple with what happens when people who are either terrible because it's proven or there's so many allegations it's hard to ignore. What do you do when then they make the art that you love? 20:59Speaker 3 Yeah, one hundred, But I think it's like right to grapple. What I would say is that if you're just completely ignoring it and then just wanting to see the movie, then I think that's wrong. I think it is important to understand like all the parts of a biography that isn't shown, and there's a lot in even Paris. Jackson says that there's a lot that isn't shown, and the fact that there's also like complete lies in it, that's what she alleges. Then you're not actually watching a biography, you're just watching like kind of like I don't know, well, how would you even describe it, Like it's like something that just celebrates someone as. 21:35Speaker 1 Like a fantasy or like a fantasy of the people who but also it's the people from the Michael Jackson state who were like, you know, signing off on the movie controlling it. From my understanding from articles that were in the Hollywood Reporter of funding the reshoots. But also then money comes back into the estate from that, so like when there's a lot of money changing hands and people are profiting off it, like that's when you always have to ask questions because then it's even though I know his family, but it's a business. The Jackson family is a business at the end of the day, more than a family. I think even they would admit to that. And Yeah, the thing that gave me the biggest pause was Paris Jackson's comments, because I was like, if anyone would really know a lot of the ins and outs of this, it's one of his children, his daughter, who was basically saying that she saw the first script, she gave all this feedback. It was ignored. There's people in the movie out there saying that she endorses it. She doesn't. But also then she says, like, if you want to go see it, go see it. Yeah, just leave me out of it. 22:32Speaker 3 But that's so true, Like see it, but see it as a movie, like a film that you just watch at the movies. Don't see it as a biography, because. 22:39Speaker 1 It's almost like it shouldn't have even been a Bypick or anything like that. It's almost like if people wanted to gather together and celebrate the music, which I understand because music is a lot of the time bigger than an artist, especially in this kind of case, like it becomes bigger than them. That it should have just been like a like a concert film. Yeah, like bring all the footage of him performing on these hits together and run it in a cinema so that people can just go in and watch these moments that they love and sing along and where the Michael Jackson themed outfits and do that. But it's almost like they wanted to really control the narrative, but then they ran to the issue whre they're like, oh, we can't actually tell his stories. We've just cut cut. 23:15Speaker 3 And there is an end credit scene that does come up on screen after the movie that says his story continues, So there could be. 23:22Speaker 1 A part two. Well apparently they are exploring a sequel, but I don't know if they can really touch anything because of the legal cases. But there it is Michael's and cinemas now, so I guess people. Yeah, people are really still seeing it. The box office is crazy and no judgment if you did go and see it. Like, I honestly do believe I heard the music's really good, really lot tis the Michael Jackson movie has good music. Good music. Yeah, so no judgment if you didn't see it. But I just think it's interesting to have this conversation and look at both sides of it. So Taylor Swift has given a long video interview to The New York Times, which has been really interesting because she's been slightly out of the limelight recently. She's taken to ground after the release of Life of a show Girl. And well, I mean a lot of that. I guess she's wedding planning, right, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You're the person in the world sorry said that. Well, apparently the invitations have gone out and I hear get one. Yeah, I think you'll be waiting a while, damn it. But also apparently she's done that trick where, you know, help we get screeners and stuff. It has our name in the background, so if we share it, it's easily traceable back to us. She's done that, apparently the invitations. I don't know if this is true, but it's very clever and it's potentially necessary. So smile. 24:35Speaker 2 I should have done that for my thirtieth birthday. 24:37Speaker 1 You put people's in so she's put people's name in the background. It's too like jetey, like a watermark, but yeah, watermark, so if anyone shares the invitation is easily traceable. But I don't know, because that woman keeps her circle tight, like there's a lot of I believe her when she says, a lot of rumors have never come out, and those stories have never come out because her circle keeps her tight. But also how tired is Travis. He's inviting all his like the whole of the NFL, and they're all bringing like a partner, a plus one or something like that. And she was like, I cannot keep this under out. Maybe only some people got the watermarked invitations and some people to have as aside or gold water. The New York Times asking this exactly what has happened to modern journalism? So you know why they didn't ask it because this was a music interview, and that's why she a music interview. 25:22Speaker 3 They're doing like a series on like thirty of the best music writers in history. 25:26Speaker 1 So it's the thirty greatest living American songwriters. And my title was better snapping Your title was like a watercolor of what the actual title was, and obviously that's why she did it. Because that's the interesting thing about Taylor Swift whenever she does press is that she absolutely does not need to. Like a lot of celebrities, especially now like Doo need That's why these press tours have taken off for movies and albums and TV shows And they're doing stunts and they're eating hot chicken, and they're like getting blindfolded on stage and they're wearing crazy outfits. Is that like there's so much everyone's screaming, even like big movie stuff are screaming for attention for their movies. But taylor'sif is one of the rare celebrities where she doesn't need to do any promo. She did a lot of promo for Life of a Showgirl, but it was more to sort of engage with the audience in a way that she was comfortable with, Like she wanted to sort of share some stories and she was happy. She was chat about engagement. 26:18Speaker 2 And she's like friends with all of the late night hosts. 26:20Speaker 1 Yeah, and she was making bread for people and that was just a fun time. But the thing is she could have just dropped Life of a show Girl and it would have it would have done as well exactly. So that's why when she does an interview, was like, hmm, So this one was centered on songwriting and her career, and I think she thought it was a way too which again very interesting to kind of really talk about about her favorite thing, yeah, which is her process of writing songs. 26:41Speaker 2 This is probably my favorite interview she's done. 26:44Speaker 1 Oh. 26:45Speaker 3 I loved it as well, I think because artists talking about their work is just amazing. 26:49Speaker 1 I would listen to that woman just talk about her songwriting and her process and the way her mind works for hours. It's so interesting to sort of hear how she puts a lyric together, what lyrics from other songwriters she like, kind of admires and files away in her head, how she sort of sees herself, how she looks back on her songs, all those things. So there were a lot of interesting tibits in there. And obviously people have kind of raped through the interview, and all the headlines are the ones that are like anything that might be slightly scandalous or slightly like ooh, who is she talking about? Is what the headlines have come out about. And it's funny because one of the biggest headlines is about her fan habits. I know what you thought about this, but she was talking about, like, you know, her fans loving Easter eggs and hidden moments and things, and she went on to say that she sometimes finds it a little bit weird, and there are corners of her fan base that are going to take things to a really extreme place. And she went on to say there's people out there who are going to do detective work and figure out details and say who is this about? What is this about? And then she said where it gets a little weird for me is that people act like it's a sort of paternity test. They say this song's about this person, and I'm like, that dude didn't write the song. I did. I got. 28:00Speaker 3 I kind of agree with her on that. What I don't agree with her on is when she talks about how her fan base takes things to extreme places, and then she can't control that when they do do that, because I do think you can control that. 28:15Speaker 1 I do, Oh do you think she can she can control it? 28:17Speaker 3 I think she has never told her fans to like back off or to like let go of certain things. I feel like her fans are so intense about her and like the Swifties, I was like, have been so amazing for her career, and it's vice versa, Like I think it is a symbiotic relationship, like even growing. Like my first concert was a Tailor Swift concert. 28:40Speaker 1 I was like twelve when I went. 28:41Speaker 3 To Fairly Yeah, and I love Fearless so much, and like so many of the songs where she wrote when she was like twelve, thirteen, forteen, fifteen, I was like, these are songs, Like she looked in my diary and wrote these songs. 28:56Speaker 1 It's so funny. When she was talking about writing love Story and her parents wouldn't let her go on and date. She was saying this into you and she's like, but he was much older than me, so that's also fair enough. That's just good parenting. And she went in her room and wrote love Story, and I'm like, and I was like, when I went in my room to shut my door, I just cry. Yeah. I was just watching so well around YouTube, just watch a Buffy DVD. I was like, we obviously weren't being productive, No, we were just like feing years. 29:19Speaker 3 But those songs like really had an impact on me. And I can see from that age. If she were to mention or like to allude to who those songs were about before the internet even happened, where we actually had to do detective work. I can imagine me like literally having like a Tumblr page like dedicated to like supporting her and like dissing that man. 29:41Speaker 1 God, you should just do that now and like don't let your age stop. 29:43Speaker 3 Honestly I should, because like that's like it was my whole world, Like that's all I was like thinking about, and that's all I cared about. So I do see like how some fans can do that, like get into a hole and constantly like harp on about like all of these men that they think that she's writing about, And it does get to a point where I do feel sorry for some. 30:03Speaker 1 Of the guys. 30:04Speaker 3 But like she's never ever come out and said, like some other artists do, like stop harassing these people or stop thinking about that. Yeah, so I think when she says she can't control that from happening, I do think she can. 30:15Speaker 1 Yeah, potentially if she, because we've seen her kind of almost do it slightly, Like remember on the Errors tour where she said and it was like she was talking to a bunch of school kids, like you can go outside for lunch if you put your hats on. She was like, I'm gonna play Dear John, Now, don't be I'm paraphrazy. She was like, don't be weird, don't don't go. And she did say like, don't go attacking people. Don't go like try and track people down. Go, don't go saying bad things about people. She's like, this, everything's fine, We're all good. I wrote, I wrote this song. I'm proud of it, so I'm gonna play it, but please everyone be chill was the vibe because what she didn't want was this surge of online attacks with everyone like attacking John Mayer in real time after that had kind of settled down because she played that song. 30:55Speaker 3 Yeah, And it was also like when she played that song, it was like much after she wrote and put that song out. But like, obviously she is like a young woman and that she's been writing songs since she was like twelve years old, so I can imagine like writing a song, hating that man, putting it out, then getting everyone else to hate them to and how good that would feel. 31:14Speaker 1 Yeah, And there's all those soundbites of her when she you know, would do interviews, and they'd say, like, what do you think about men who like don't want to date you because you write bad things about them? And she was like, well, I just think that if men don't want me to write bad songs about them, then they shouldn't do bad things. Yeah, which is so true and also so true and so fair it is. I always think it's interesting for an artist who has built so much of her career around easter eggs, hidden messages, signs, and who actively cashes in on that to such an extent. I do think it's interesting to then be like, oh, but now it's getting a bit weird. It's like lighting a fire and being like, oh, that house burned down, but it's something to do with me. Yeah, And it's like, I know, you lit like a campfire over here, and you didn't mean for the house across the street to burn down, but it did burn down. It's still your fault. It's still your fault. 32:00Speaker 3 What I liked about that interview, though, which I think works really well for her in her career, is when she says that if something slifts, like someone upset to you or like you're going through a really hard time, make art out of it. Don't do an Instagram live. 32:14Speaker 1 Yes, which again is so true because you know what, that's what she does. She puts her money where her mouth is, Like she doesn't go on and like publicly trash people or anything like that. 32:22Speaker 3 And she could yeah, because when you do that, you're also giving away like something that you could have done instead. 32:26Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And she was kind of like the art will always be the better option, like creating art is always the better thing. And that's so much of what she does. It's so interesting. 32:34Speaker 2 I wonder what conversation she'd have with Lena Dunham. 32:37Speaker 1 Oh, I wanted to say about so well they do. And you know what's interesting is like in Lena Dunham's new book, Famesick in the acknowledgments, like Taylor sits and then they're really close, but there's no like big stories or like anything in there about Taylor Swift, which a lot of people have pointed out is very interesting because Lena Dunham really bears her soul about her, but other people in her life that she's worked with, that she's friends with in a really in her family in a really extreme way, and then she doesn't write about Taylor Swift. 33:07Speaker 2 Yeah, do you think, And that's an agreement they have between. 33:10Speaker 1 The yeah, I do, I do. I think it is. And everyone's kind of like, oh, so you cannot write about someone who's a huge influence in your life if they're famous enough to be like, you can't do that. I'm not say that in a negative way about either of those women, but it just goes to show that, like, there's so many layers of being friends with someone who's as powerful as Taylor Swift, and that's an interesting dynamic that you have one of the most powerful talked about women in the world who everyone we just want every detail about Taylor Swift, and one of her very close friends is a writer and a creator who is known for bearing her life story and the stories of people around her, and that there's a definitive line for them that potentially she doesn't have with other people. But also she hasn't worked on a TV show with Taylor Swift. Is the other thing when people are like, oh, she just won't talk about Taylor Swift because she's sucking up to her, And I was like, I don think that's true. I think she had to write about like Adam Driver and stuff like that because she was on a TV show with them for many, many, many years, she hasn't done anything public facing like that with Taylor Swift. 34:05Speaker 3 Yeah, and also like if she did write about Taylor Swift, that'll be the one thing that everyone runs with exactly. 34:10Speaker 1 Yeah, but also that that doesn't stop her from writing other things. Yeah. The interesting thing, it's more so that there's like you just when Taylor's sis, you're afraid you just have to walk a more strict line. 34:20Speaker 2 Yeah. 34:21Speaker 1 I think because every single thing that she says or doesn't say is under a microscope, which. 34:25Speaker 3 Would have been in the like friendship agreement fine print before you become friends with her, exactly. 34:30Speaker 1 There's definitely and I mean I don't know if there's a written fine for an agreement, but potentially fast I make one. Yeah, but I think there is something that and that's what kind of seen with the whole Lively situation is that everyone's just like, well, she's broken the agreement of what they had of like not pulling each other into their public stories. And this is the thing is like one little thing of Taylor Swift just ignites this massive conversation. I also thought on the interview that was interesting was when she mentions Jack Antonoff, which there's a lot of headlines around that that Taylor Swift squashes Jack Antonoff feud, which she didn't do. She just mentioned him as a really close friend and collaborator. 35:04Speaker 2 Yeah. 35:04Speaker 1 But why it was interesting is that rumors of a few have been bubbling away because he wasn't involved in the Life of a show Girl. Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot about it. I remember that was a huge thing. Everyone's like they've fallen out. She doesn't want to work with him anymore. And then there was a whole thing where Jack Antonov's white Margaret Qualley was doing movie promo and at the end of the interview on like a live TV show, she was asked about Taylor Swift's music and like she's like, oh, new album's coming out tomorrow, Like what do you think can you tell a tvings She's like, I think everyone's excited to see it. She's like, I don't know. But also like then people like, see, there's definitely. 35:37Speaker 2 A few, but like she hates her. 35:38Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was like she's definitely a few. That's why she panicked. And I was like, I just think that she panicked because she was doing an interview at her movie and all of a sudden she was asked to like disclose information about a Taylor Swifts album, which she rightfully hadn't heard. But she didn't. 35:50Speaker 2 Squash the rumors in this interview though. 35:52Speaker 1 She just basically just spoke truth and just said that he is a longtime friend of collaborator. Well, he squashed the rumors the other day himself, because did did they go out to dinner together? No? I allow that would have been chic. No, she was out to dinner with her dad and a bunch of her friends. But I didn't see Jack and the pat pics you're looking at her da, I think he doesn't. Yeah, I thought was his name Scott Swift, Scott Swift wearing I don't think Jack Anhov leaves his home. No, No, Jack Antonov went on, I think it was Howard Stern and Howard Stone. Howard Sterne's like the one interview and that can just ask any celeb or anything and everyone's like, yeah, let me tell you about that. Yeah, he asked him, Like he's like, Oh, you've got to feel pretty bad being left off the album, and you know, being like, oh, you're just on included in this and Jack is like, no, Taylor and I really good friends, were good collaborators. He's like, you can't collaborate with the same people over and over again. He's like, I would never do that. 36:41Speaker 3 And she's also kind of said that in the interview, and she said that she loves having co writers and collaborators, but she also doesn't need them. 36:48Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly exactly, but it's just it's so interesting, and this interview is thirty minutes of this woman speaking and talking about things that she hasn't touched on as much before and like the things everyone has like really launched onto. Is like she think her fans are weird and she's not fighting with Jack cantonof with a lot of stuff in there, like I thought her even just talking about the All two World ten minute version and how the original was lost and she had to recreate it, or even talking about how like reputation is. 37:14Speaker 3 Yeah, like it became such a big album like years after Yeah, I just put out there and like all the songs that she was saying that people like slept on ready for it. 37:23Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like, oh my god, that was my favorite song on the album. Okay, I felt I always few was a bit stupid in these situations because she was like, yeah, people didn't like reputation and it kind of grew on them, but it hasn't grown as much like there's songs with people. She's basically been like, I know, you guys hate a reputation, but I love it. And I'm always on the back foot of stuff like this because I loved Reputation and it was my favorite album too, me too, And I didn't realize it was like, you know, not a thing with Swifties until the era's to a start and you know, everyone be like did you get tickets? What era are you? And I was like, oh, I guess reputation is my era because I'm like, I'm definitely gonna wear black and a red lip because's what I wear. And people are like, oh, reputation and I was like, oh, I didn't realize that was a thing. It's the same thing when everyone's like, oh, it's like how tailor swift dresses really badly and that's a known fact. And I thought she dresses badly. I thought she looks great. Oh she did for a bit, but now she looks great. Now I think she dresses badly. No, on purpose. I think she dresses badly to make herself relatable. And all the fashion girls are like, yeah's because she just dresses so badly and so on fashionably, And I'm like, from me over here, thinking she looks gress. I don't know about fashion. So we'll link the full interview in our show notes because there's a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's such a good interview. It's so wors a time. 38:29Speaker 3 She's really opinionated in this interview, which I love, Like she doesn't skirt around any answers or anything like that, Like she is really like she comes across very strongness. Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. If you love this episode, the best way you can support us is by giving us a five star rating and review wherever you're listening or watching us on whatever podcast app you're using, and don't forget we have your weekend viewing Sordid with our weekend Watch episode dropping tomorrow at six am. The Spill is produced by Manitius Warrn't Video production by Michael Keine. 39:01Speaker 1 We will see you tomorrow. Bye bye.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney. 00:06Speaker 2 And I'm Tina Probus and coming up on the show today, poor little Barry Kerrigan has given a bit of a tell interview to Benny Blanco about why he had to escape Hollywood even though he's in the midst of filming one of the biggest movie franchises that is going to hit our screens in the coming years. 00:22Speaker 1 So we're getting into that because there's a few layers, there's a few secret videos. 00:26Speaker 3 I'm glad you said his name first. From here and out, he would just be Barry. 00:29Speaker 1 Yeah, let's just pull that young young or Baz, because the thing is when he says his name, we's got such an irish little to it. And I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare trying to speak like that man. Plus, Anne Hathaway a new trailer for one of her highly anticipated movies, one of the five movie shows coming out this year has just dropped, and of course The Devil Wears prior to two is out this week. But it started a very uncomfortable conversation around her that we're gonna jump into. But first, some important breaking news, and no, it's not the fact that Laura Dern has been confirmed to replace Helena Bondum Carter on the White Lotus season, even though that was breaking news this morning. But we have something more important to discuss. 01:07Speaker 3 Yes, we are looking at what of Kate Hudson's X, which I personally am a fan of X. I think we should all be allowed to have something that we just draw as a boundary. It's okay to have boundaries. 01:18Speaker 1 Yes, So Kate Hudson, who I'm going to say, I love a Kate Hudson interview because that's the lovely thing about growing up as the golden child of a NEPO baby family is like that girl can say whatever she wants in the nicest way possible. So Kate Hudson went on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen this week because she's still doing promo for Running Point season two. If anyone hasn't seen that, it's on Netflix now. It's so, so, so good and she's so good in it. But one of the questions was about X, and you can see that she was like, I'm taking a stand. 01:47Speaker 3 What male behavior gives you an immediate ex Oh, oh oh, I have a Okay, I'm not this is this is going to go bad and I'm going to see it anyway and maybe headline It's fine, Okay. 02:00Speaker 1 I have a real issue with guys who like really lead with their spirituality in a in a way. 02:10Speaker 3 That you're like, why are you? I don't know, what are you doing? 02:13Speaker 1 Why am I? 02:15Speaker 3 I'm like it just immediately a red flag like something's off, yes, not right. Yeah, I have no issue with that. Thank you, Kate Hugs. 02:26Speaker 1 I love how much she had to carry out that, Like she's like, should I say it? Should I not say it? Should I speak on it? Should I? She's like, I know this is going to cause headlines. Like when I saw that, I like leant up in my seat. Yeah, what is this girl going to say? That's going to ignite these international headlines? And I'm gonna say it. Wasn't overly disappointed, Like I was not expecting her to say spirituality just because of who she is, everything we know about her for her entire life. 02:50Speaker 3 You know, surely she has someone very specific in mind. She was that one guy exactly. 02:55Speaker 1 I feel like there's a backstory here. Okay, First of all, what do you think of that as an it would that turn you off? 02:59Speaker 3 I guess in terms of spirituality, are we talking religion or more like woo woo? 03:04Speaker 1 I think in her case, I'm thinking like super woo woo. 03:07Speaker 3 I feel like both might put me a little bit off to leave with that, like it's not your whole personality. 03:13Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I think there's a bit of a backstory there we're not getting. But I can read between the lines is that this woman has been in the dating pool at many times of her life in a really specific place, like in the kind of Hollywood world of like La. She's been raised in that area, and I think what she has encountered is a lot of men who were also raised in this kind of rich, famous Hollywood kind of those echelons of they don't have they've never like confronted in their life. They've never had to think about what to do with their lives and so or like make money and all that sort of stuff. And so that type of man or person, to be honest, like men and women can do it is that they then start to sort of be like, well, what else is there? What they like grab on to this very intense form of spirituality and that's fine, but then they make it everyone else's probes. That's when Anti Cohen, I think, says. 04:04Speaker 3 Like saying it's douchey, I feel like doo sheey. It was probably definitely a subshot, and they lead with it. 04:09Speaker 1 When he said, oh, they lead with it, and she was like, yes, So it's the kind of guy that you go on a first date with. And I just like Kate Hudson sitting down and she's a good time girl, Like she seems so fun. 04:17Speaker 3 I love her. 04:18Speaker 1 She talks out the fact that she loves to like go out and have a drink and dance and like, you know, she's just a real fun person. And I think she said some of a guy who was like, let me tell you about my ten steps. 04:27Speaker 3 Which makes me interesting. 04:29Speaker 1 I never asked you one question. I think that's who she's talking about. 04:32Speaker 3 I agree. I think that's totally fair to lead with that. I also think, like for me, someone that this sounds bad, actually no saying it. 04:39Speaker 1 If Kate Hudson can take a stand, you can mind's worse. 04:42Speaker 3 I think, oh, you're well, this isn't my ick, but just someone that has a lot of goals, like men with lots of goals. Like I dated so On once and they had like a list on their wall of like their goals, And I kind of put that on par with like spiritual thing because it's probably too far. 04:58Speaker 1 I can just hear a bunch of really fragile mens screaming right now, like we can't win. The thing is if I had no goals like being there, I think leading with it is what she's saying, and that's what you're saying too, Like if he had mentioned you in a conversation like, oh, I really want to do this one day, what's one of your goals? I'm assuming that would be fine. 05:15Speaker 3 I think it's like having interests verse, you know, outlining like this is my way of life, and like assigning your whole personality to a spirituality verse like it organically coming up at a conversation. Yeah, so maybe it's the nuance to it exactly. 05:29Speaker 1 And I just feel like after a while, like Kate hasn't has said for herself, like she was in the dating pool for like a good thirty years there from when she was a teen, and she has dated a lot of really big Hollywood celebs, a lot of musicians as in like tortured kind of musicians, and she had children with like two different musicians who seem nice but kind of get the vibe of being like very much like me and me like my art, my music. And that woman has had access to like every kind of hot man in Hollywood, and she's ended up with her friend's brother who's like out of the Hollywood world. And I like, there's a lesson in that we should love for all of us that she looked away from. And she'd known this guy for years, Danny, and they have a kid. I love bought it together now and she was just like after a while that she just kind of realized it's him. It's my friend's brother who's like not famous at all. 06:13Speaker 3 What a movie on that? 06:14Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah movie. So anyway, she's taken a stand on the biggest ick, and like people have really reacted to it. Some people in the comments are like, yeah, this is my biggest ick too, and then some people like this is awful, what a terrible thing to say. But I just think, let the woman speak, turn you off the spirituality thing. I think what she's saying too, if it's the main topic of conversation, there's no one thing. If the person's right, I think it turns you off, but I know, I know so well the kind of cuy she's talking about, who would sit down and make the whole conversation about their spirituality and like if you don't agree with everything, they think that you're wrong and they're more enlightened than you, and they'd probably do yeah, exactly exactly, and like they do, and you're just like, just chill and tell me what TV show you're watching, Like I don't need to hear your ten step spirituality and why you're going to have And I'm going to burn in hell because where you're going I don't want to go. Sorry, it sounds bad. 07:05Speaker 3 For the past year, the internet has been piling on to Barry They've been piling onto that man. 07:11Speaker 1 Coward my god key, well, he says in such a husky voice. 07:17Speaker 3 Well, some people say, some people shaking Barry Yeah, Barry Kay. And it has been piling on to Barry Kay following his split from Sabrina Carpenter, where there was swirling rumors of a cheating scandal, and they have just not left that man alone, and up until now he has never addressed the rumors. He's definitely come out and like talked about the online harassment that his face and the scale of bullying that he's come up against, which has sounded really hard, but it hasn't really slowed the pace of everything down. But now he has sat down with Benny Blanco and his podcast Friends Keep Secrets and done a little bit of a heart to heart. 07:54Speaker 4 Just on a serious note. You know, I feel in the safe space to see this. And you know what, I have been avoiding stuff. I have been like, you know, I came off Instagram, you know, on social profiles. I stopped going to events. I've stopped you know, just socializing. And again it's because you know, there was a narrative out there that was never really sort of even spoken on a narrative that's not true, and I never confirmed or said anything about it, and you know, I just disappeared. 08:29Speaker 1 So there's a lot of interesting things about that podcast. Clip one is just the fact that that podcast in general, like I've watched Benny Blanco's podcast a few times, those men just sit on the floor. 08:39Speaker 3 It's kind of chill vibes. 08:40Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's not how you podcast. And I'm not getting quite try that. Yeah, I wooden floor exactly about us, and we had to record during all those years of lockdown, like building a pillow fort, building a mattress tent, all those sorts. 08:55Speaker 3 Of things, because they're in pants, they're not inside. 08:58Speaker 1 That's not why sometimes I can just not just men famous people can just really do the better of them going through that. I mean, Barry did look very relaxed. He's sitting cross legged on the floor. But this is one interesting thing where it's like watching the podcast does give you a bit more than just listening to show there's people in the background just making tea in the kitchen and all those things. They must have excellent microphones not to pick up that background noise. But watching Barry's kind of like he his shoulders really slump. He puts his head down. You can see that he's like having difficulties speaking about it. But he's obviously had this really pent up inside and it's something that like he hasn't spoken on since the breakup with him and Sabrina Carpenter happens. So in that interview he kind of confirms they did date for over a year. He doesn't get into any of the specifics of why they broke up or anything. Like that. But he is in the midst of filming the Beatles movies, which is a huge, huge role that like every actor in Hollywood was going out for those Beatles roles, and it's going to be just kind of like this huge movie moment. So he's been in big movies before, but he's about to be in like a blockbus essentially, and so I think he knows that, like, he's got huge rounds of press in the next couple of years coming, and he also just needs to be in the public eye for his job in general. So wonder this was a bit like trying to clear the conversation before he goes back into. 10:14Speaker 3 That, and the scale of the harassment is it's quite disgusting because he has grown up with a lot of adversity. He speaks a bit in this interview about how people, you know, dragging his late mother into things she was an addict, and then he also has his own struggles with addiction. So I think stooping to that level and having to be constantly faced with that kind of commentary would be really hard when you know you've got this massive press run coming up. 10:40Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, And it was, Yeah, it was kind of interesting. When he and Sabrina broke up, because they were never like overly overly public about their relationship, but they were photographed together a lot, and they did like when she did her Vogue with Come like he's in the video clip as well, Well, he's in the video clip, yes, yes, But prior to that, like they did there, like they were never like posing the heaps couple photos. They were never like on each other's Instagram stories. She never said like, this is my boyfriend Barry. That's like the three year master yeah, celebrity exactly. But the first time they really confirmed their relationship in a very public way was when she was doing a get Ready with Me behind the scenes video with Vogue before the Met Gala, and he walked into the room so it looked like he had an joining room, and he walked in and they were like, you know, the little kiss and a little to get like very clearly, very coupply. And then they've been photographed together since then, but never in like a like that was their kind of big moment. And then when they read the video clip together that was obviously huge. Yeah, and just like kind of like a cute, floirty thing. But I think one of the reasons why their breakup was so so public, there's a few different reasons. One is that, like we had song lyrics to fall back on, and as anyone who's daily Taylor Swift or any musician knows, that's gonna get you every time. Because she was like, please don't embarrass me, and everyone's like, and he did, and that was like a battle cry that people got really ferocious about. 11:56Speaker 3 Yeah, I think as well. It's something so relatable for people, and that's why it's like easy to latch onto it because everyone probably has someone in their life from their past that they kind of share those feelings towards. So when it's music, you I mean, I'm the kind of person that listens to music. I'm like, this is about my life. 12:12Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I guess I'm just thinking that a good song, you're like, yeah, that just hits in the right place. 12:17Speaker 3 If you're in a bas you're like looking out the window. 12:19Speaker 1 There's some lyrics that are just universal, and they're usually about heartbreak. They're always about that. One thing I thought was super interesting is he was talking about and he never gets into like the depths of him and Sabrina. But like if anyone knows anything about their relationship. You can kind of read between the lines of when they broke up. There was a huge amount of allegations that he had cheated on her, and she never came out and said it. But sometimes like she would be on stage, like she was on stage in Ireland once and she was sort of joking about like not wanting to date Irish boys again, that they were kind of like a bit of a bad idea, just like really how she A lot of people probably share that thought, Yeah, and exactly, and she was, you know, she was catering to her audience and stuff, but she never said the words Barry cheated on me. But what did happen that he brought up in this interview that I thought was really interesting is he said that a video went out from a woman who said that he had cheated with her, and that did go everywhere. And what he said I thought was really interesting and something we bring up on this pot a lot is that he said she then released a attraction video saying that she was a lion. She made it up, but no one picked up on that, which is so the case when these stories kind of they break, they come out, they burn hot and bright and a lot of times when something like that or a rumor or a misunderstanding or something happens, there is another part of the story that comes later, whether it's a retraction, a clarification, someone saying they were lying, like the full interview being released. There's always a second part to the story. But the second part of the story never gets the same traction as the first. 13:41Speaker 3 So I guess theys a lot about how people consume things as well, Like even when you see a headline, you may actually not have ever read the full story, Like you just see the headline and then that's your truth that you move forward. 13:49Speaker 1 Yeah. 13:50Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember seeing the video that went up and like there was just not really any grounds to truth with it. But if you just get that kind of like headline out of it, it kind of like takes on this whole life of its own. It is just crazy, the flow on effect that it's hard on, like you forget he's a real person. 14:05Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And that's why we say, like people do just read the headlines, and a lot of the time I'm just like, well, sometimes with like fame and money and everything like that is sort of just unfortunately, like the price you paid. But I thought it was really interesting where he was like, this woman came out and gave a retraction and no one, like, no one saw that, no one pitched. 14:21Speaker 3 He's so strong for one not fighting on that, well he did. 14:26Speaker 1 Yeah, And I mean, obviously I wonder if there's like how much a PR team is involved, or maybe it is also I don't know this man. Maybe this was his thought, like it was very like holier than thou, kind of a nice way to say it, because he was like, I don't know what this woman has gone through in her life, so I'm not that holy call her out. Well, yeah, I don't think yeah, to give her Barry Kaye the benefit of the doubt. That was really nice of him, if indeed that was his own thought, is like I'm not going to pull this woman through the mud and set the internet off on her because I don't know what she's been through, what's going on with her. It's sort of interesting because that's sort of this huge chain of reaction of people hating Barry. And before that he was really having a moment. He had been in an Oscar nominated movie and everyone was like, oh my god, he's a great actor and then after Saltburn, he was having such a fun cultural moment and everyone was like, oh, that tiny evil man, like so cheeky and fun, like everyone loved him, and so when he and Sabrina got together, everyone's like, oh, it's just we love that she's obsessed with like that little gremlin boy. It was really a moment on the internet too, like everyone boy is crazy, yeah, but in an endearing way, like everyone was upset in the way that only men can be, like you know, like rat Boy, fort of stuff and it's all endearing. 15:34Speaker 3 Your face was always coming up in the Rat Boy, yeah exactly. 15:37Speaker 1 So it was all that. And then stuff came out, yes, about his family and like drug abuse and all this sort of stuff, all these allegations, and he talked about it, but at the same time, like people were sort of using then his own words against him, and then people were also bringing out the fact that he was which again cernificants brought up for any other men in Hollywood. I don't know if all of a sudden we decided that Barry was going to take the flack for absent fathers everywhere? Is that? But also people were like, well, where is your son, Like he is because he has a son. People were like, you're off with Sabrina, You're not looking after your son, You're an absent father. I think at one stage he was talking about having to be away and working, but he was doing that for his son, and people were like, you're just making excuses, and all of a sudden, that like became this huge lynch pin. In a way, it's not for other men in Hollywood. Like, I'm not defending him for if he doesn't see his son, but I'm just like. 16:23Speaker 3 That's most in Hollywood. Yeah, Yeah, they're not at home raising their kids every day when they're filming movies months on end. 16:30Speaker 1 Yeah. I just think felt like it became just another thing to add to this kind of like it's very personal Eylon and like when we thought he was cute and sexy, no one cared about that. But when we thought he cheated on Sabrina carp and all of a sudden, everyone's like, you come from a drug addict family and you're a bad parent. Yeah, he was like where we were next. 16:47Speaker 3 It's a really low blow. And obviously in the industry, people are getting away with a lot more and not having you know, so many people cracked down on them. It's almost like it's easier to attack, attack on this. 17:00Speaker 1 Yeah, and again I think like a song lyric will really change the game, Like it became sort of like cute and fun to hate on Barry, and I think because it's also very easy, like there was no except for him personally, there was no stakes for anyone else Whereas I kind of looked at like the attacks on Barry, and I was like, where is this for like men in Hollywood who are like abusive towards women, or where is this for like men who have been accused and sometimes found guilty of like sexual assault or all these other things, or like physical assault, all these other things, Like they tend to sort of get more of it because sometimes that's a murky issue and interesting. 17:35Speaker 3 It's like if people don't have all the information on something that's higher stakes, then they weren't common on it at all. 17:41Speaker 1 Yeah. 17:42Speaker 3 But then if something's lower stakes and you don't even have any information at all, yeah, feel free to go wild. 17:48Speaker 1 Yeah exactly. That's I just found such an interesting and just like which parts of the internet pick up which topics, because sometimes like a man will be accused of sexual assault and not even not found guilty, but just sometimes there's not enough evidence to get to court, which is not the same thing, and everyone will be like, well, that's not ruin his life. But then everyone's like, wait, did Barry kiss someone else? Yeah, stone him to death, Like it's very because again that feels like there's less consequences for the audience. So yeah, I thought it was interesting, and I like the fact that he did come out and have that conversation and like kind of be a bit vulnerable in that way because he's really trying to gun towards this very famous act not famous, he's obviously famous, but more kind of serious actor kind of vibe, and a lot of times that comes with like not giving like being only out of DiCaprio and not giving an interview since a teen magazine like thirty years ago, and not kind of speaking on anything, only ever talking about your movies and your craft and never talking about yourself. It felt like he was kind of and like Paul mescal and other actors who are in his Jacob e. Lordie, like other actors who are in that young Hollywood about to be that next level of very famous man are all going that we don't speak in interviews. 18:53Speaker 3 Keeping it very personally. 18:54Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. 18:55Speaker 3 He lifted the veil a bit, and I think he's a really powerful story so it would be really nice if he's able to speak about it without people throwing stones in. 19:02Speaker 1 Yes, exactly what the little man. I mean. We get maybe he did, maybe he cheated horribly on her. 19:07Speaker 3 We don't know, and if that's the case, then. 19:11Speaker 1 Exactly. But we'll like the full interview in our show notes. Who will listen to the full thing because there's a lot more than that little moment. But yeah, interesting when the Beatles movies come. 19:19Speaker 3 Out, Yes, I'm so excited. 19:20Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually think that'll be a tony hoot for him. I think people will see him in the Beatles movies, they'll love the movie and they'll be fine. 19:26Speaker 3 Yeah. 19:28Speaker 1 So it's been a huge well it's been a huge month year, but also week this week for Anne Hathaway because The Devil West Prota two is finally I'm not gonna do it this movie. Huge week for us. We went to the premiere of The Devil Wears Pritor two this week. We can't say anything about it today, but that review many many thoughts on that are coming. So the Devil Wes Protor two is out starring Anne Hathaway. Of course, it's one of the many movies she has coming out this year, so Mother Mary, where she plays a pop star, The Devil Wes Protor two, obviously, The Odyssey, Christopher Nolan's new movie, which is going to be an absolutely huge blockbuster packed with Hollywood talent. She's in that Flower Veil Street, which is more of a sci fi mystery. This's got range. 20:07Speaker 3 Yeah, she's got range. 20:08Speaker 1 He's got range. And also Verity, which is coming out in October, which is a new thriller based on Colleen Hoover's best selling book of the same name. So the trailer came out this week. It was our first look at There's been so much hype around this particular adaptation of Colleen Hoover's novel, just because it's so beer loved and has such a twisted mystery, and also the casting, because we've got Dakota Johnson playing Low and Ashley who was hired by a man called Jeremy Crawford played by Josh Hartnett. I'm loving the Josh Hartnett come back in the way Why did he ever go away? I do love that man, and so she's hired by him to ghost write novels for his best selling author wife called Verity played by Anne Hathaway. Because she's an accident, she's unable to finish, and so Dakota Johnson's character moves into the Crawford's home to work on the book, only to discover that, of course, all is not as it seems, and there is a mystery with Verity. And the trailer is like really creepy and like atmospheric, and it also has a pretty lovely pash between Dakota Johnson and Hathaway. 21:09Speaker 3 Love that they put that in the trailer. 21:11Speaker 1 Yeah, they were like, we know exactly what you guys want to see, and here it is at the top of the trailer. 21:15Speaker 3 So I haven't read the book. It looks quite dark though, like a horror. 21:19Speaker 1 Yeah, Like it's like a kind of like a horror thriller, kind of like that old school like a Rebecca type kind of like you know, mystery of like what's happening in the home. 21:27Speaker 3 Kind of thing. It's interesting seeing what people are already saying in terms of like what they expected, Like some people like this is way scary than I thought it would be like people interpreted different in their heads. 21:36Speaker 1 So and it was one of those things where like when their casting was announced that it was Anne Hathaway Duco Johns and people that quite lost their minds of that because they were very kind of like territorial overut who would play these characters. So on paper, this should actually be the best year of Anne Hathaway's life professionally. 21:52Speaker 3 She's busy because of all. 21:53Speaker 1 These movies coming out, and there's this kind of just felt like when she was on The Devil Wears prior to press to her, there was this like inten hence love and admiration for her and so on paper, everything is perfect, but of course there's a bit of a different conversation bubbling around in the background. Do you remember, like it was nearly eight years nine years ago now that the Half a Hate started? Do you remember this dark time. 22:18Speaker 3 In our history this time? 22:19Speaker 1 Yeah, well, hopefully not on the internet because it was not a nice stay. 22:22Speaker 3 I don't think I was part of this movement because I wouldn't want to stand for that slander. Well no, exactly exactly. 22:27Speaker 1 So it was a dark time in history where Anne Hathaway had grown up as one of the most beloved actresses because we were introduced to her in The Princess Diaries, iconic Disney film Perfection Can Do No Wrong, and then obviously she had other movies like Ellen Enchanted, so you know, she really a lot of people really grew up with her as their actress, as the person that they would like. You know, people would be like, the first time I went to the movies was to see Ella Chanted, or like the first time, like my friends and I had to sleepover, we watched The Princess Diaries, like it was that kind of way. 22:55Speaker 3 She had a very like soft transition into womanhood as well from that, like Disney Girl. 23:00Speaker 1 And then when she got The Devil Wears Prata, which was it became a huge iconic movie and it was a big deal at the time, but not like it kind of became when the movie came out, and she has spoken very openly that she was about fifth on the list of actresses, so like they had to a lot of people had to say no to the role, and she had to go through like a lot of negotiations and auditions to get that role, and then that kind of was her big star making turn because that movie was sush a blockbuster. She's so great in it, and then she went on to like have all these other big movies that followed it. It was around the time of when she was starring in lay Miz that she won her first Oscar for it was her first Oscar nomination, was the first time she won. It was during the press one for that that people started to really turn against her. 23:44Speaker 3 Yeah, right, and all. 23:46Speaker 1 Of a sudden. I mean, the thing is, she was campaigning very hard for an Oscar, which is what you have to do to win. No one wins at a campaigning, even if you step aside and let your team campaign for you, you have to have a campaign. But she was front and center campaigning, and she run lot of awards leading up to the Oscar and lay Mis won a lot of awards, and people started to tire of her. They were like, she's a tryhard, she's annoying, she has theater kid energy. And one of the worst allegations against her was when Laye Miz won an award and as they were wrapping up, she jumped in on the end and thanked someone from her team, like personally, like thanked one of her managers. And there was this huge backlash, and it wasn't til years later that came out that person had been diagnosed with cancer and she just wanted to give them a shout but also even. 24:28Speaker 3 If they had it, like, let her give a shout out, Yeah, let her give a. 24:31Speaker 1 Shout out to someone in her teen And when she won the Oscar, that's also when the tables turned because she got up on stage and she and also people hated her dress. And that's neither he nor there. But the story was I didn't love it. No, okay, I just think he didn't photograph well. And but the backstory is it was, it was fine. It's a fun It's one of those engages that she is such a she's such a red carpet staple glam kind of and she'd had so many great dresses leading up to the Oscars that I just thought that wasn't the dress. It just photographs strangely because of the darts at the front. It made it look like her boobs were sticking out and the front, no, you do you know the dress't talking about? 25:08Speaker 3 No, it was a I think it. 25:10Speaker 1 Was Prada, which is ironic, and it was like straight down, pale pink column dress and it was just the way the darts were sitting. It made it look like she had breast, which I actually think is quite fun. And then it was it had a lot of detail at the back, but you couldn't see it. And so the story goes that they were rehearsing for le A mis because they were doing a music home in the Oscars, and Amanda Seifered, who was also in the movie, showed Anne hath the Way a picture of her dress that she was wearing to the Oscars the next day, and apparently Anne like lost her mind and I'm assuming just lost her mind and like, oh my god, shit, like because it was nearly identical to her dress, so different designers. Tina's just looking at a picture of the dress. 25:51Speaker 3 Now the dress is quite average. Yeah, I mean, but maybe the back, I don't know. If it was. 25:56Speaker 1 No destroying the woman's life for five years from put that it was okay. 26:02Speaker 3 Yeah. Also a lot of people. 26:04Speaker 1 Wear dresses to the Oscars because it's very serious things. A lot of times that people wear a bit more of a kind of and they want it to look timeless. 26:10Speaker 3 And and she looks beautiful, like if she was in the room she was wearing that phenomenal beautiful. 26:16Speaker 1 She looked beautiful, and I think it's fine. But what happened was, Yes, the story goes that Amanda seiphred and Anne has a way to confirm this happened, but she's never said it was Amanda, but we know, we know showed her photo and Anne was like, oh my god, that's nearly identical to my dress. And we're in the same movie and we're walking the carpet near each other and we're seeing next to each other, like, what am I going to do? So apparently she left and Amanda also left because they were both like, we can't deal with this right now. And so the night before the Oscar she had to find a new dress and that was the pink column dress, and again she won lovely moments. She's always wanted to win an Oscar. Sorry, that's fine, that's fun. That the people started hating her because she got up on stage and it was clearly a rehearsed moment, but she's an actress. What do you want from her? It was clear rehearse moment. She up and instead of speaking, she took a moment of silence. She looked down the Oscar and it's like and she just stared at and then she goes it came true, as in, like I wish for this and it came true. 27:10Speaker 3 Yeah, oh again, is that so fine? 27:13Speaker 1 You? Like she had her Yeah. I just think people were just like. 27:16Speaker 3 Winning an oscar. Just let them do what they want with that moment. Yeah, pretty one. Just let them have antense. 27:22Speaker 1 And I thought that her speech was lovely. It was really heartfelt. She was very overcome, as you would be. And and I feel I can speak like this now because can I say I've always been on the right side of history. I defended Anne Hathaway before it was cool. Yeah, and then she spoke about like sex work and like because her character obviously in the movie, she's like, let Fantine's story kind of be like a reminder to us about this, and like she'd obviously really thought like what is this moment about, what is this character about, and what is the bigger issue? So she did all that, and then people were just like, we're so sick of her, we can't stand her. She's a try hard and the hard thing is is that she kind of I think knew the tide was turning a little bit, but it was until she like a year or so later, when the internet had been hating her for a year or so and very blatant, and was that she sat down to google something about herself because I think it was she was going to do an SNL sketch and she wanted to find a headline about herself to kind of like she had an idea for a joke. She wanted to parry it, so she googled Anne Hathaway and she said all that came up like fill the screen was like ten reasons why we hate Anne Hathaway. Here's why everyone decides they've hated Anne Hathaway. Here's the worst thing about Anne Hathaway. And she was like, oh, sorry, my god, Like yeah, she said. It was really kind of confronting to her to realize how fast spread the hate was. And then she ended up having to do like a magazine cover where she's kissing on it. I think it was Elle where she's kissing and she's like, let's kiss and make up. And I was like, girl, you have nothing to apologize. 28:44Speaker 3 No, no, and hath a ways to apologize. 28:46Speaker 1 Yeah, It's weird that, like again, we see all these men like do and I know that's like kind of a tied take that men and women get treated differently, But it's it's unfortunately very true. Is that we see like men get accused of like they screamed at this one on set, like Adam Driver threw a charity and a donner. 29:02Speaker 3 Literally, why are we not talking about that anymore? 29:04Speaker 1 Well, yes, it was part of their like rehearsal, and she's not angry at him. But also, like you know, and we have all these things of like you know, men cheating or men doing things, or even other actresses sometimes doing worse things. And the worst thing in Hathaway did was just love her to work too much. 29:18Speaker 3 She's just going to work. I've got Jacob Elodie in a million movies right now where like keep going exactly. 29:23Speaker 1 And I also and yes, there are allegations that she was rude and difficult, but we don't have any like there's no proof of that that I can also. 29:32Speaker 3 Rude or difficult or just at work being professional and asking for what. 29:36Speaker 1 She Also, no one's that I can see, No one's gone on the record to say that she was difficult to work with. In fact, it came up in a press conference once. I think it was for Interstellar. I came up on a press conference where a journalist is like, what is it like to be No One as someone who's really difficult to work with it? And it's like oh, and then Jessica Chustin jumps in and she's like, I just want to speak on this that I've worked with this woman twice now and she's not difficult to work with. But it's like saying like that part of the story of never took off, Like No One sort of was like, oh, Jessica Chustin defends Anne Hathaway. They were just like she's. 30:07Speaker 3 There these speculations of her just being lovely to. 30:10Speaker 1 Work Yeah, And there is that interview that went you know, that moment in time where like all the Blake Lively interviews were coming out around like oh, she's awful at interviews, and you watched a super cut of interviews. And it really depends how people edit things a lot of the times and the context around them. But an old interview came up with Anne hathawayen a journalist. It was four laid miss and the journalists keep saying to her it was the same journalist that Blake Lively was accused of being you know, the whole baby interesting and then they were like, oh, look like Blake Lively is getting crucified for being rude to this journalist, which she kind of was that's fair enough. And they were like, look when this like Anne Hathaway was also rude to this journalist. And this clip went viral and it was the journalist saying to Anne Hathaway like, can we can we sing our responses to each other? And apparently other people in lay Miss did it and Anne was like, oh, you can do that. I'm not going to do it. 31:00Speaker 3 That's what I would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to sing no. 31:04Speaker 1 And I actually think that's so fine, Like it's it's a hard line of like you're in an interview, sometimes you have to go with the bits. But I also think saying to something like maybe going into an interview and saying to someone, especially if like it's not a pre approved kind of thing, like going into a junkert where it's like every five minutes you're talking to a new journalist and a journalist coming in and saying like can we sing our interview and her being like no, thank you, And it's fair. 31:26Speaker 3 Enough because then it could go in the wrong way, and then that will be the story that spirals out of control, Like you've got to be like thinking a couple of steps ahead on Yeah, what's the output of this got to look like? And a people gonna hate on before it? 31:39Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly, And it's so interesting obviously, things like I haven't seen like the full full clip of that in terms of like it wasn't released, Like I haven't seen what happened before the cameras started rolling the cameras afterwards, So I don't know if she was rude or not, but no one cared about that was that isolated clip. And she ended up apologizing to the journalist. Yeah, and because I think she was like, oh god, this is gonna you know, I think. 31:58Speaker 3 The journalist would know as you as well, though, like this could be yes, this could be an I'm gonna shoot my shot. 32:03Speaker 1 I just think it was a moment in time. And then everyone's so back on the inn Hathaway train, as they should be, Like mymorphus loves being held to account for bad behavior. But I just don't know if there's any. 32:14Speaker 3 Bad blockbuster movies that I've seen from her. 32:18Speaker 1 There's nothing that I've seen from her that justifies the level of hatred, except that she just seems to try really hard and she's really earnest and she's a theater kid energy. 32:26Speaker 3 Which I love. 32:27Speaker 1 But I will say, like, having interviewed her myself personally, now. 32:30Speaker 3 She has her friends lovely. 32:33Speaker 1 She was really lovely, and yes, she was very kind of and I've seen her be like this in other interviews. I think because my questions were a bit more serious, which was fine because that's why I wanted. But she gave me really thoughtful answers and I really appreciated that. But I walked in the room to interview her and Meryl for Devil Words prior to too, and there was a bit of a change with the time, and I kind of got when I went in the room, I wasn't sure. I thought I was going into you know how like can go into a junk and you think it's gonna be like a holding area first, and then someone and often there's like a screen and there's all this and the PR person walks around introduces you, and then they take you in and then you're like, oh, okay, like now we're starting. Whereas I open the door and it's just Maryland's oh, right in front of me away, and they were just like oh hell. And I was the first one, so they were just like oh. They were still like settling down, putting their waters down, like Merret was drinking her water because they'd been doing a full day of press. And I was like, oh, hello, and then I didn't even introduce myself because I was like, oh, I'm yeah, and I'm like to the camera and I talked to the camera person instead of them because I said are you filming now? Because I don't want to miss my interviews? And Anne was like like really rolling yeah, you know, it's like high stakes in that room. And Anne was like, oh, sorry, what is your name? And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, it's Laura, and she is all lovely to meet you, Laura. I'm Anne, and this is Meryl. That's really I do know, but like nice to like she was sort of making sure that we had that moment of like seeing each other's names and saying hello. And then I found her really thoughtful and I just watched her because I saw her during that press day. I saw her like do a whole bunch of interviews in the morning and then do all the junk kids and then go and do a fan event that night, and I could feel that she was really like not being cautious, but really trying to make sure that she gave really thoughtful answers and that she was acknowledging people, and that she was giving people what they expected of having their moment with Anne Hathaway in a really intense way of someone who knows what it's like when that goes the wrong way. So I really appreciate it that that's lovely, and I just think it's kind of like now that I'm seeing like even like, so we put up all our Devil Wears prid of clips from the interview that was on the spill, and most of the comments are like lovely and really supportive. But I have this one clip that's got a lot of traction online where I asked her and Meryl, like, because they can't watch The Devil Wes Prita as their favorite comfort movie, what is their like what is their version of The Devil Wears Prata? And Anne gave some really lovely answers. One of them was Moonstruck that she says she watches in bed and with ice cream, which I did over the weekend I haven't seen Moonstruck for ages, but I watched it and I got some ice cream and I was like this, girls on stop like man' the same Shelle. There's also a bunch There was also like a bunch of comments under a TikTok video of people like, look how Ovalish's polite she's been to that interviewer. Look how careful she's been. And then other people were like, oh, yeah, it's because she's like got in trouble before. And everyone's like, oh, I'm getting so sick of her. 35:14Speaker 3 And I was like, guys, none of these are bad things, so she's being too careful. 35:19Speaker 1 Yeah, And I can just see that the tide is not turning against her. But I can just see because she has to be so public this year because she's mailed these movies and just the way the release schedule has fallen, they're all coming out in one go. 35:31Speaker 3 Yeah, even when people like you're so busy this year, like these have been filmed probably over the past like five. 35:36Speaker 1 Years, And I just yeah, And I just find it really interesting that we're even having this conversation in twenty twenty six about like whether or not the table should turn on and Hathaway because she hasn't done anything to deserve that, and it's just justice. 35:49Speaker 3 For Anne Yeas twenty twenty six. 35:52Speaker 1 And it's just it's interesting. As much as we keep having this conversation, it's still like the worst thing that a woman can do in Hollywood is be like two in your face and two in your in terms of like be everywhere and having to promote a movie successful also walking that fine line between like having to be like a little bit self deprecating but also like sometimes very earnest, and it's like everyone's watching you walk this tight rope of like and if you put a foot too far the other way then you have to go. And other actresses have said before, like it's anything happened to Jennifer Lawrence, Like do you remember that when she was everywhere and she won her oscar? It's always when a women wins an. 36:26Speaker 3 Oscar, whenever they're successful, people just want to like really narrow and on things. And I think that's what makes it hard again, just going back to the fact that Anna's just working, she's doing good jobs, she's booking great roles. Why would she turn them down? Yeah, She's got her biggest year ahead of her. There is absolutely no reason to hate someone based on those things. 36:45Speaker 1 No, No, and that thing is like when you ask people because people have just because I've written a lot about this in the past, Like I wrote a big piece about the haf of hate when it first was starting and being like, we need to stop this because all the reasons why, And that piece still bops up on search a lot. Whenever she's in a movie of people like Big Year for You, then yeah, guys read yeah, like I read that piece like eight years ago and every word is still correct of what people have said. But yeah, and whenever like she's in a movie or like when I've interviewed her, like the first people say like, oh, what was she really like? And I was like, she was lovely in a way that you've No one's ever asked me in that tone about any other actress I've interviewed. I've interviewed some mean actresses, to let me tell you, and no one cares about that. But yeah, I just think it's interesting of like how like women come to this moment in Hollywood, like a Jennifer Lawrence, like an nn Hathaway where they searched to popularity and then we decide that they've had too much time in the sun, or they're too quirky, or they're too earnest, and then they have to go and like hide away, I don't want and then they decide to come back again. 37:49Speaker 3 Yeah, they've got it. They've got to buy their time. 37:51Speaker 1 Yeah, so go see Devils prior to go see all of Ann Hathaway's movies. I guess, and I just hope this conversation Petere's out now. 38:00Speaker 3 Thanks so much for listening to the Spill today, And if you want to watch as well as listen, you can now watch us on Apple Podcasts. Just make sure that your iPhone is up to date and switch over to video to see our beautiful faces, or head to the YouTube channel to catch more of our video content, including celeb interviews. 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Chelsea welcomes back Sierra Teller Ornelas to guest-host this dive into writer and actor Lena Dunham's “Famesick: A Memoir.” Sierra and comedian Brian Bahe unpack Lena's journey with fame and chronic illness, from her film debut with “Tiny Furniture” to her meteoric rise on HBO's “Girls.” They chat about Adam Driver, Lena's relationship with Jack Antonoff, and the wildest run-in with Bruce Springsteen. A content warning: This episode contains discussions of sensitive topics, including medical abuse and substance use. Take care while listening and find helpful resources here. Contact us or send us your voice notes: hello@glamoroustrash.com Follow Chelsea: Instagram @chelseadevantez Join the cookie community: Become a member of the Patreon Thank you to our sponsors: Quince  - Go to quince.com/glamorous for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Thrive Causemetics - Get 20% off your first order at thrivecausemetics.com/glamorous  Ritual - Save 25% on your first month at ritual.com/glamorous.  Libro.fm - Click here to get 2 audiobooks for the price of 1 with your first month of membership using code TRASH. Show Notes: Dringo! Card The Lorde and Jack Antonoff PowerPoint Where to find our guests: Sierra Teller Ornelas Instagram Brian Bahe Instagram Website *** Glamorous Trash is all about going high and low at the same time— Glam and Trash. We recap and book club celebrity memoirs, deconstruct pop culture, and sometimes, we cry! If you've ever referenced Mariah Carey in therapy... then this is the podcast for you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're pulling one last heist for you! And, holy shit, is that Seth MacFarlane as an annoying British energy drink salesman? Channing Tatum is the George Clooney of our BONUS this week, and he may not be as rich or suave as Danny Ocean, but he sure knows how to rob a racetrack. We couldn't resist hanging out in West Virginia with the Logan crew (and the Bang Bros), and man, is Daniel Craig an absolute freak in this one? Next week, it's the epic finale of our Oceans series...and the announcement of our next BIG season! Join the conversation on our Discord at https://discord.com/invite/RssDc3brsx and get more Eye of the Duck on our Patreon show, After Hours https://www.patreon.com/EyeoftheDuckPod References: Entertainment Weekly Steven Soderbergh Interview The Mystery of Rebecca Blunt Little White Lies Steven Soderbergh Interview Logan Lucky Production Notes Den of Geek Steven Soderbergh Interview Clash David Holmes Interview Michael Shannon Drops Out of Logan Lucky Matt Damon or Michael Shannon? Mary Ann Bernard Origin Credits:  Eye of the Duck is created, hosted, and produced by Dom Nero and Adam Volerich. This episode was edited by Michael Gaspari. This episode was researched by Parth Marathe. Our logo was designed by Francesca Volerich. You can purchase her work at francescavolerich.com/shop The "Adam's Blu-Ray Corner" theme was produced by Chase Sterling. Assistant programming and digital production by Nik Long. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Letterboxd or join the conversation at Eye of the Discord. Learn more at eyeoftheduckpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

ContemporaryPerformance.com and the Sarah Lawrence College MFA Theatre Program produce the SLC Performance Lab. During the year, visiting artists to the MFA Theatre Program's Performance Lab are interviewed after leading a workshop with the students. Performance Lab is one of the program's core components, where graduate students work with guest artists and develop performance experiments. Dacvd Neumann is interviewed by Sarah Pollock (SLC'26) and Rebecca Padrick (SLC'26). Produced by Sheridan Merrick (SLC'26). Edited by Amelia Munson (SLC'26) David Neumann's work as a freelance choreographer, director and performer includes a wide range of projects and disciplines. Since 1999, Neumann has worked behind the scenes to craft plays, operas, films and multi-disciplinary performances. From avant-garde theater to blockbuster films, classic opera to new musicals, David's diverse experience has given him a unique ability to articulate ideas through performers' bodies. Neumann has many years of teaching experience working at Juilliard, NYU, Princeton and Yale and is currently a tenured professor in the Theatre Department at Sarah Lawrence College. He has received three Lucille Lortel Award nominations and one Fichandler for his work on Cabaret at Arena Stage. He is the Artistic Director of ‘Advanced Beginner Group', a multi-disciplinary performance company, which has been awarded three Bessie Awards. He is a 2019 Lucille Lortel, Outer Critics Circle, and Tony Award nominee, as well as the recipient of the 2019 Chita Rivera Award for Choreography for his work on the Broadway musical, ‘Hadestown'. Recent and upcoming projects include the musical ‘Swept Away' at Berkeley Rep, and choreography and coaching for ‘A Marriage Story', starring Scarlett Johanssen and Adam Driver.

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First, a rundown of the scurrilous gossip you missed while you were actually working: Sydney Sweeney’s cameo’s been cut from The Devil Wears Prada 2, Harry Styles is either engaged or ring-baiting us and Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton have hard-launched with a pap-frolic. In other business, why is Reese Witherspoon suddenly telling all her followers to use AI? Is this a genuine attempt to close the gender tech-gap, or is Reese just the friendliest face the robots could recruit to crack Gen X? In other business, we might be witnessing the most effective character-assassination comeback in history. While Lily Allen is currently touring an album that provides a literal receipt-by-receipt rundown of her marriage breakdown — complete with props explaining David Harbour’s alleged infidelity — her ex is busy being the most lovable man on TV in DTF St. Louis. Holly asks if playing someone lovable is the best way to rehabilitate an actor’s bad reputation? Let’s ask Noah Wyle and Adam Driver. What can one of the world’s richest women (by marriage) tell us about happiness? No, please don’t throw your phone, Clare’s all ears for Lauren Sanchez Bezos’s gratitude tips. And finally, we need to talk about the absolute tailspin that occurs when a Gen Z coworker compliments an older coworker’s outfit. Is it genuine praise, or a calculated power move? Amelia’s diving into millennial fashion anxiety and why a simple 'I love your jeans' can feel like a personal attack. SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: Win a $2,000 Bed Threads voucher. Subscribe to Mamamia here before April 30 to be automatically entered. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media What To Listen To Next: Listen to The Spill: We Met Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway And Here's What Went Down & Our New TV Obsession Listen to our latest episode: Harry & Meghan Just Blew Up The Sandringham Summit Listen: Your Boss's Unpopular Opinion & It's Taurus Season Listen: A Fight About Who’s Allowed To Have A Crush Listen: Mia's Uncomfortable Aha Moment About Friendship Listen: A Podcast Feud & Hanging Out With Prince Harry Listen: She's Back! Mia Confronts Rival Anne Stephens On 'Nana Rules' Listen: Quick Question: Why Are You So Annoying? Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see Mamamia Out Loud on Apple What to read: 'I spent a day with Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway. One moment changed my view on The Devil Wears Prada 2.' Harry Styles refuses to repeat himself. On his fourth album, that's the whole point. 'Gen Z knows more about AI than their bosses. It's about to change how we all work.' Lily Allen was alone in a London hotel room when David Harbour called. Nothing would be the same. THE END BITS: Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Religious Month continues with one of Martin Scorsese's most personal and meditative films — Silence.Starring Andrew Garfield, Adam Driver, and Liam Neeson, the film follows Jesuit priests traveling to Japan in search of their missing mentor, only to face unimaginable trials that challenge their faith and identity.We dive into the film's quiet intensity, its exploration of belief under persecution, and why Silence stands as one of Scorsese's most profound works. This isn't a film about easy answers—it's about doubt, endurance, and what faith looks like when it feels like no one is listening.Haunting, deliberate, and deeply introspective — this is faith pushed to its limits.#WatchTowerFilmPodcast #ReligiousMonth #Silence #MartinScorsese #AndrewGarfield #AdamDriver #LiamNeeson #FaithAndFilm #FilmPodcast #SpiritualCinema #CinephileTalk

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Fans of Emily Henry’s best-selling novel, Beach Read, have been left devastated today when the casting choices for the highly anticipated movie adaptation of the book were announced. We now know the name of the nepo baby starring opposite Bridgerton star Phoebe Dynevor in the romantic comedy, and fans are furious.And the internet lost its mind this week when Call Her Daddy host Alex Cooper called out one of the biggest TikTok stars in the world, Alix Earle, in a video challenging her to share the allegations she had been alluding to for weeks. Now, more famous names have escalated the situation, and we’re here to tell you exactly what happened.Plus, Lena Dunham has released her new memoir Famesick, and it’s packed with never-before-told stories about her life and career. We unpack her tale of cheating on Jack Antonoff, uncover the mystery pop star at the centre of her relationship break-up, and break down the wildly disturbing allegations she made against Girls co-star Adam Driver.Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. Plus remember The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news… OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITS Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One of the two living cast members of ‘The Wizard of Oz' has passed away. Sid Krofft, the famous puppeteer and kids' TV creator, passed away at 96. Nicole Kidman is training to be a death doula. Lena Dunham calls out Adam Driver in her new memoir. Jumanji 3 is on the way! Dwayne ‘The Rock' Johnson, Kevin Hart, and Jack Black are all set to return. What do we think about the ads in movie theaters? Kim Kardashian is producing something. Vinnie tells us everything you need to know about sports this week. It's National Dolphin Day, and Sarah and Vinnie are still flabbergasted by Dick Van Dyke's dolphin rescue story. We are all using AI without even trying. Would you pay $2 per minute to video chat with AI Jesus?

Hour 1: One of the two living cast members of ‘The Wizard of Oz' has passed away. Sid Krofft, the famous puppeteer and kids' TV creator, passed away at 96. Nicole Kidman is training to be a death doula. Lena Dunham calls out Adam Driver in her new memoir. Jumanji 3 is on the way! Dwayne ‘The Rock' Johnson, Kevin Hart, and Jack Black are all set to return. What do we think about the ads in movie theaters? Kim Kardashian is producing something. Vinnie tells us everything you need to know about sports this week. It's National Dolphin Day, and Sarah and Vinnie are still flabbergasted by Dick Van Dyke's dolphin rescue story. We are all using AI without even trying. Would you pay $2 per minute to video chat with AI Jesus? Hour 2: A new HBO docuseries, ‘The Dark Wizard,' explores the life of a legendary climber. Ruby Rose took to Facebook Twitter to accuse Katy Perry of sexual assault. Independence is really an American idea; even Joey from Nsync had to move back in with his parents. Justin Bieber just got custom grills - but do they compare to Matty's? Having a million dollars now means you're middle class, congrats! An Airbnb “sex dungeon” is shocking people. Anxious parents are spending big money to help their kids get jobs. Hour 3: Of course there's more Stranger Things. Or is there? Netflix dropped a trailer for a new sci-fi show ‘The Boroughs' starring Geena Davis and Bill Pullman. The ‘Malcolm in the Middle' revival is a hit for Disney+ and Hulu. ‘The Social Reckoning' starring Jeremy Strong dropped its trailer this weekend. Zendaya doesn't remember Tom Holland. Britney Spears recoiled from Justin Baldoni. But does this help Blake Lively's case? Movie theaters are BACK! Modern relationships, my goodness! If you're still using your ex's Netflix, you're not alone. Word of the day: Kuchisabishii translates to “lonely mouth.” Here are some underrated weight loss tips! Birds aren't real, but they can help pick up trash! Hour 4: The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame winners are here! Can you guess them? An unexpected Parkinson's diagnosis in No Doubt. Billie Eillish is coming to streaming! Sarah's updating us on the Billboard Hot 100. An absolutely terrifying video of a man breaking into a Bay Area house. Plus, When Did That Happen?

On today's MJ Morning Show:Local attorney's ad 'rip your face off'7-11 closing 600 stores Morons in the newsWoman buys 5 vehicles in 8 days, lies about job and incomeUniverse will end much sooner than thought.... but not anytime soonTiktok challenge - Running through Scientology HQ (in Los Angeles)Peanut butter pitsMJ ran over something on Howard Frankland BridgeMJ Instagram... MJ's walkWho wants to be part of MJ's entourageDUI arrest made after she gave credit card instead of license... then a gift card....Map: Dominant crop in each U.S. countyMap: States not to use to name your kidHomeowner confronts man invading houseLively vs BaldoniKaty Perry/Justin Trudeau spotted at Coachella... he was using a 'single-use' cupSpider invasionChloe is distraught after what she saw while drivingWhere do women make the most social interactions? We took calls.MJ IG post - Breaking down boxesChick-fil-A employee returns lost cash, nearly $10,000Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2026 inducteesLena Dunham says Adam Driver had an angry meltdownJoey Fatone moved back home during 'Nsync hiatusSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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On this episode, we break down the horrifying new indictment in the Anna Kepner cruise ship murder case, the escalating Trump and Pope Leo XIV fight over the Iran war and Trump's deleted AI “Jesus” image, and the annual absurdity of Coachella, where celebrity spectacle, viral complaints, and influencer misery once again became part of the show. We also cover Eric Swalwell resigning from Congress after sexual misconduct allegations, Tony Gonzales planning to leave Congress amid his own scandal, Lena Dunham's claims that Adam Driver had explosive outbursts on the Girls set, and the backlash to Sydney Sweeney's risqué Euphoria baby-costume OnlyFans storyline.#Trump #PopeLeoXIV #CoachellaGet more AoA and become a member to get exclusive access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOfx0OFE-uMTmJXGPpP7elQ/joinGet Erin C's book here: https://amzn.to/3ITDoO7Get Merch here - https://bit.ly/AnthonyMerchSubscribe to the Anthony On Air Podcast here:Facebook - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirFBYouTube - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirYTApple Podcast - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirAppleSpotify - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirSpotTwitter - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirTwitterInstagram - https://bit.ly/AntOnAirInstaTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@anthonyonairpodDiscord - https://discord.gg/78V469aV22Get more at https://www.AnthonyOnAir.com

Some exciting news—The Take is now on Patreon: www.patreon.com/kermodeandmayo Become a Vanguardista or an Ultra Vanguardista to get video episodes of Take Two every week, plus member-only chat rooms, polls and submissions to influence the show, behind-the-scenes photos and videos, the monthly Redactor's Roundup newsletter, and access to a new fortnightly LIVE show—a raucous, unfiltered lunchtime special with the Good Doctors, new features, and live chat so you can heckle, vote, and have your questions read out in real time. Fresh film talk and finely tuned cinematic debate await in this week's episode of Kermode & Mayo's Take. The Good Doctors return with their trademark blend of insight and irreverence, casting a critical eye over the latest arrivals on the big screen. Leading the lineup is Father Mother Sister Brother, the latest slanted family drama from Jim Jarmusch, with an all-star cast including Adam Driver, Cate Blanchett, and Charlotte Rampling. Then on to some moody existentialism with The Stranger, an adaptation of Albert Camus' seminal novel, directed by François Ozon—who was our guest a couple of weeks back. And finally, The Undertone, a podcast-based, sound-forward horror—but will it resonate with Mark? He'll also be reviewing Glenrothan—a warming, Scottish-set tale of family reunion through whisky, directed by Brian Cox. Simon sits down with this formidable acting talent to discuss his turn to directing. Cox reflects on the changes and challenges of moving behind the camera, and what we can expect from his feature debut. All that alongside a generous helping of listener correspondence, probably some spirited disagreement, and the familiar flickers of presenter exasperation—another essential listen for wittertainees the world over. You can contact the show by emailing correspondence@kermodeandmayo.com or you can find us on social media, @KermodeandMayo Please take our survey and help shape the future of our show: https://www.kermodeandmayo.com/survey EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/take Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts To advertise on this show contact: podcastadsales@sonymusic.com Timecodes: 00:00:00 Show starts 00:12:02 Father Mother Sister Brother review 00:20:31 Download Chart 00:31:55 Brian Cox interview 00:45:27 Laughter Lift 00:49:49 Undertone review 01:01:30 The Stranger review Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The last time comedian Chris Fleming was on Working it Out, the episode was titled “He Should Be Way More Popular.” In the 2 years since then Mike's wish has come true. Chris and Mike chat about the pros and cons of having a higher profile in comedy, including the protective steps needed to avoid legal action from Adam Driver over a bit. Mike also takes the chance to respond to the shots Chris takes at Mike in his new HBO special Live at the Palace, and Chris talks about getting glared at by Ryan Gosling. Plus, Mike and Chris work out lots of new jokes about drum circle friend groups, hotel smells, and dog DNA tests. Please consider donating to Planned Parenthood Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In Episode 152, hosts Alyce and Laura learn* valuable lessons about 90s Nickelodeon theme songs and where the f-ck Tosche Station is! If there is one thing you take away from this podcast, it's that you are supposed to watch all 39 hours of Daredevil before you watch Born Again.  Will Alyce's prediction/dream that Taylor Swift be cast as the voice of Grogu ever come true? Here's an update… (Gizmodo via Variety) Remember in our last episode when we asked, hey whatever happened to that one trilogy? From our lips to Penguin Random House's ears. Check out this article and the official synopsis for Reign of the Empire: Edge of the Abyss here. What TIME is it? Show time (show time), show time (show time)! Thanks, 2016 Bruno Mars. Speaking of time, they make mid-bougie Mando watches for men and not women. Some poor schmuck had to drill a bar into the deepest depths of the earth for our boy Adam Driver (via SWNN) Usually we regret asking for a man to mansplain something to us, but we kinda needed someone to explain Smart Bricks to us. Fortunately GamingBible was on it.  Star Wars dropped the episode titles for Maul, but they did it on icky twitter, so here's a link to Star Wars News Net instead. You're welcome.  Out with the new, in the with old trilogy: Disneyland's Oga's gets a refresh (via WDW News Today) Twitter: @forcetoastpod | @sLeiaAllDay | @ShutUp_Laura Instagram: @forcetoastpod Bluesky: forcetoastpod.bsky.social Email: forcetoastpod@gmail.com Website: forcetoastpod.com *This podcast contains a sh!t ton of profanity and boozin. You can find a bleeped version of this podcast absolutely nowhere. Cheers!

On this episode Ben is flying solo and discussing all the latest Star Wars news, including some exciting happenings at the Saturn Awards! He touches on George Lucas' reception of a special award alongside big wins for Andor and Skeleton Crew. He also covers the newly revealed details for the upcoming book Reign Of The Empire: Edge Of The Abyss. Plus, Kathleen Kennedy says Grogu won't say a word, a new (real) look at Rotta the Hutt, Pedro Pascal is going to wear the armor more than we think, and how Adam Driver changed voice acting forever. Tune in for all of that and so much more! Join the Star Wars Underworld Network DiscordSubscribe on YouTube Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe and Review on Apple Podcasts Facebook: www.facebook.com/swunderworld Twitter: @TheSWU Email: swunderworld@gmail.com

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mishawaka-wrestling-modernization-plan White boy of the year Veteran With A Sign is here and Nic's back to tell us what he's been working on! Watch this episode ad-free and uncensored on Pepperbox! https://www.pepperbox.tv/ WATCH THE AFTERSHOW & BTS ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/UnsubscribePodcast

If you ever wondered what happens when pop culture chaos meets questionable life decisions and just enough caffeine to fuel bad takes… welcome back to your favorite daily comedy show.Today's episode kicks off with a Star Wars “what could've been” that has us screaming into the galaxy. Apparently, Adam Driver pitched a standalone Kylo Ren movie and Disney said, “Nah.” Which means somewhere in an alternate universe, we're watching a billion-dollar backstory about Han and Leia's brooding kid — and instead we're just rewatching The Mandalorian trailer like the rest of civilization. We break down the missed opportunity and question Disney's decision-making like we're qualified executives. (We're not.)Then things take a turn when we unpack the wild situation involving The Blind Side actor Quentin Aaron — a spinal stroke, a coma, and waking up to find out your “wife” wasn't legally your wife at all. That's not a subplot. That's real life. We react in real time and try to wrap our heads around that level of chaos.Speaking of chaos — YouTube turned 21. Yes, we're officially old. We revisit the very first upload (“Me at the Zoo”) and spiral into nostalgia about how a 19-second elephant video turned into a trillion hours of conspiracy theories, mukbangs, and cat content. The internet is undefeated.In Crap on Celebrities, we dive into:Bourbon & Beyond festival lineup (bourbon, bands, and potential poor decisions)The possibility of a “lost” Van Halen albumOzzy's emotional final performance moment (yes, we teared up… a little)Jelly Roll and Bunnie XO content overload — is the celebrity machine moving too fast?Hugh Hefner's alleged sex diary controversy (because of course that exists)Shia LaBeouf getting knocked around in New OrleansAnd the most diabolical sitcom characters ever (Cartman supremacy confirmed)Plus: Match Up with Moon returns, and Riz is still rocking a goose egg. Competitive tension? Absolutely. Grace? Minimal.This episode is peak Rizz and the gang — music, celebrity nonsense, questionable nostalgia, sarcastic debates, and just enough heartfelt moments to remind you we're human… allegedly.If you're looking for a daily comedy show that blends entertainment gossip, weird news, St. Louis energy, and just the right amount of chaos, congratulations — you found it.Welcome to the daily comedy show where even the serious stories take a weird left turn.Follow The Rizzuto Show → linktr.ee/rizzshow for more from your favorite daily comedy show.Connect with The Rizzuto Show Comedy Podcast online → 1057thepoint.com/RizzShow.Hear The Rizz Show daily on the radio at 105.7 The Point | Hubbard Radio in St. Louis, MO.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.