Andy and Alyssa continue their discussion of Even More Tales to Give You Goosebumps (Special Edition #3) with "For the Birds," "Aliens in the Garden," and "The Thumbprint of Doom." Along the way, they discuss The Staircase; taxidermy; topiary; The Shining; Alice in Wonderland; Edward Scissorhands; speculative hedge maze history; creepy hotels; The Witches; Puppet Master; unasked-for help; Phantom of the Opera; Misery; One Hour Photo; trapped souls; The Little Mermaid; Dante's Inferno; Twilight Zone rip-offs; boomerang bullies; playing with human lives; Planet of the Apes; Battlestar Galactica; “The Invaders”; tv adaptations of short stories; Richard Matheson; The Twilight Man graphic novel; Horton Hears a Who; benevolent and malevolent overlords; The Lion King; colonial propaganda; girl crushes; superstitions; horoscopes; budding cult leaders; heists and counterschemes; Fingersmith; Saw; Hellraiser; OCD; Maria Bamford; As Good As It Gets; Fun Home; Elektra; R.L. Stine's Superstitious; Haxan; curses; Princess Mononoke; bird theory; and the carnival circuit in the Gooseverse.. // Music by Haunted Corpse // Follow @saypodanddie on Twitter and Instagram, and get in touch at email@example.com
The OG boys are back! The guys talk Bryan's interview with Dan Crenshaw, the most unreliable cars, more stuff from the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial, Edward Scissorhands, Hannah Barron, the new Top Gun, Tom Brady's $375 million dollar FOX deal and much more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
In the 39th episode of the show, or the third episode of the seventh season, Kevin has a nostalgia filled conversation with composer and performer Stephanie Henry—the two discuss sharing the same earliest memory involving music, the brutality of the Home Alone films, and how Stephanie has stayed busier and more creative than ever during the last two years. For more information about the "award winning" music criticism site, Anhedonic Headphones, click here! For more information on Stephanie Henry's composition and performance work, visit her website. Episode Musical Credits Intro Music: "Brooklyn Zoo (instrumental)," written by Russell Jones, Dennis Coles, and Robert Diggs; originally performed by Ol' Dirty Bastard. Taken from the Get On Down reissue of Return to The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version, 2011. Outro Music: "What Does Your Soul Looks Like (Part 4)," performed by DJ Shadow. Endtroducing..., Mo Wax, 1996. "Man in The Mirror," written by Glen Ballard and Siedah Garrett; performed by Michael Jackson. Bad, Epic, 1987. "Somewhere in My Memory" written and conducted by John Williams. Home Alone: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack, CBS, 1990. Main Theme to "I Love Lucy," composed by Eliot Daniel. Main Theme to "The Simpsons," composed by Danny Elfman. "Tell Mama," written by Etta James; performed by Janis Joplin, recorded live at SNE Stadium in Toronto, Canada, 1970. "Fancy," written by Bobbie Gentry; performed by Reba McEntire. Rumor Has It, MCA, 1990. "Ziggy Stardust," written and performed by David Bowie. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders From Mars, RCA, 1972. "Steel Claw," written by Paul Brady; performed by Tina Turner. Private Dancer, Capitol, 1984. "Ice Dance," composed by Danny Elfman. Edward Scissorhands, MCA, 1990. "Thank You for The Venom," written and performed by My Chemical Romance. Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge, Reprise, 2004.
Rax King (@raxkingisdead) of @lowcultureboil joins @milo_edwards and @prhroy to discuss Jerry's haircut dilemma and, variously, what the Statue of Liberty is hiding and whether Edward Scissorhands was a much misunderstood man... You can buy Rax's book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/669783/tacky-by-rax-king/9780593312728?ref=PRHC37E683FBB&aid=31016&linkid=PRHC37E683FBB Bonus episodes on Patreon from $3 per month here: https://www.patreon.com/mastersofpod Follow us on twitter @mastersofpod!
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In a surprise turn of events, Kristian Mingle is tasked with his most challenging interview to date! His guest discusses childhood-turned-lifelong fears, the wrong types of allies, and where snow really comes from. Sharpen your blades and stay off the water bed, girl, we got makeup to sell! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app
What's eating you? Brandon Evans joins Lauren and Jared on the podcast as the last Guest Critter of S6! We crack open the Negronomicon to talk Kingdom Hearts x Cochella and Fantastic Beasts before jumping into the crit to look at a film that's haunted our nightmares, Jeepers Creepers (2001). Time Stamps5:50 - Theme song12:44 - Negronomicon34:20 - Crit 1:26:14 - Final CurlsFind Us Online- Website: www.scarycritpodcast.com- Twitter: http://twitter.com/scarycritpodcast- Instagram: http://instagram.com/scarycritpodcast And Find our Wonderful Guest Critter, Brandon Evans!- Instagram: https://instagram.com/ishine252Credits- Host and Producer: Lauren La Melle - instagram.com/laurenlamelle | twitter.com/laurenlamelle | Website: www.laurenlamelle.com- Host and Editor: Jared Hudson - instagram.com/blossomsandbooks93 | Gems from E58Chucky (2021)Them (2021)Degrassi: The Next Generation (2001)Goosebumps (1995)One of Us Is Lying (2021)Love Jones (1997)Kingdom Hearts (2002)King Hearts IV (TBD)Kingdom Hearts III (2021)Elden Ring (2022)Fantastic Beasts: Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007)Edward Scissorhands (1990)Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)Jeepers Creepers (2001)A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)What's Eating Gilbert Grape (1993)Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998)Hannibal (2013)The Daily Show (1996)Wednesday (2022)Waiting… (2005)Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (2004)It Follows (2015)Friday the 13th (2009)Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)Lights Out (2016)The Hitcher (2007)Charmed (1998)The Number 23 (2007)Getting Mother's Body (Suzan-Lori Parks, Random House, 2003, Print)Final Destination (2000)Final Destination 3 (2006)Final Destination 2 (2003)Blade (1998)Mimic (1997)Jeepers Creepers 2 (2003)Halloween (1976)Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022)Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)The Goonies (1985)Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021)The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (2017)
Episode 295."Superman and Lois"Composer: Dan Romer.Dan Romer is an award-winning composer, songwriter and music producer based in Los Angeles. Romer's scores include four-time Oscar-nominated Beasts of the Southern Wild (Searchlight), Maniac (Netflix), Good Doctor (ABC), Beasts of No Nation (Netflix), Atypical (Netflix), Skin (A24), Wendy (Searchlight), Luca (Pixar) and Superman and Lois just to name a few.Talking Points:1. Dan shares some of his favorite composers, guitarists and drummers.2. Danny Elfman's "Edward Scissorhands" was one of Dan's earliest influences.3. Dan and I talk about the influence of John Williams.4. Dan talks about his relationship with award winning director Ben Zeitlin.5. Dan remains one of the most talented composers working today.Instagram: Monday Morning Critic Podcast.Facebook: Monday Morning Critic Podcast.Twitter:@mdmcriticwww.mmcpodcast.comEmail: Mondaymorningcritic@gmail.comYouTube: Monday Morning Critic PodcastSHOW LESS
I came out of my creative shell earlier today thanks to a good friend of mine's inspiring words, which was both appreciated and much needed... There's been a lot going on and while I planned to take a hiatus from the show, I can't seem to. And I also couldn't miss the opportunity to show some love and respect to the Late Great Stan Winston on his day. This is a movie that takes me through different emotions unlike other Tim Burton flicks. But safe to say that I never looked at a pair of scissors the same way after seeing this as a kid. Or hedges, dogs, and certain foods.. Enjoy, people.
Legendary singer and vocal contractor talks her illustrious career in Hollywood working in choirs and as soloist for many film composers, including her work for John Williams on Amistad and other projects Hosted by Maurizio Caschetto Film score recordings in Hollywood are performed not just by hundreds of talented orchestra musicians, but they often feature the superb work of great vocalists, singers and choirs. Sally Stevens is perhaps the most famous and distinguished singer and vocalist who lent her beautiful voice to countless film and television soundtracks and studio recordings in Los Angeles. Her resume includes work for illustrious film composers including John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, Alan Silvestri, James Newton Howard, Danny Elfman, just to name a few, but also for some of the most famous names of the recording industry like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Burt Bacharach among others, in a career spanning five decades and thousands of performances. Under the banner name Hollywood Film Chorale, she contracted choirs and singers for successful films including Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, The Abyss, Forrest Gump, The Matrix Revolutions, Jurassic World, among others, and also on popular tv shows as The Simpsons and Family Guy. She also served as choral director of the Oscars broadcasts for over 20 years, the most recent being the 2018 Academy Awards. Sally's collaboration with John Williams started in 1997, when she was asked to be vocal contractor for the film Amistad, directed by Steven Spielberg. She also collaborated on such films as Minority Report (2002), War of the Worlds (2005), Munich (2005), Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008) and Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015). In this conversation, Sally Stevens reminisces about her glorious career as a singer and vocal contractor working in Hollywood, from his early days singing in the choir for Alfred Newman's How The West Was Won to the work as soloist for Lalo Schifrin, Jerry Goldsmith and other great composers. She also recollects her experience working as a vocal contractor for John Williams on Amistad and other projects involving choirs and vocal soloists, sharing her own unique insight and perspective on Williams' choral writing and the use of human voice. For more information and the list of music excerpts visit https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/04/01/sally-stevens-podcast/
You knew we had to talk about this one. Considered Tim Burtons Magnum Opus, as well as his most well known film. For the end of the month we brought in one of our best friends Nolan Dean aka The Glasgow Kid to dissect this odd little flick. This has all the snow dancing,horny neighbors,Vincent Price,and Frankenstein parallels as you can take. Follow Billy,Raul,and Nolan on Twitter @MasterOfPuns196 @raulvaderrdz and @nolandean27 as well as the main show @SYNSPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/seeyounextsummerpod/message
Over a 35 year career, location manager Michael Burmeister worked on some of the most explosive action films in contemporary cinema including "True Lies," "Twister," "Pearl Harbor" and "Transformers." But he broke into the feature film world working locations for two of the most highly celebrated sequels ever made, "Back to the Future Part II" and the trilogy's Western conclusion. On this episode, we meet up with Michael at the South Pasadena home used for Biff's grandmother's house in "Back to the Future Part II." We talk about securing some of the locations from the original film, an unlucky neighborhood location, a cameo appearance in "E.T," and working on "Edward Scissorhands," "Casino," and "National Treasure," on which a fake Liberty Bell made for an awkward 11 o'clock news story.
We bring in Anthony's mid-30s with a movie that makes everyone feel like a child. Sure, a misunderstood gothy one but one nonetheless. We're revisiting Tim Burton in a very sentimental episode on EDWARD SCISSORHANDS! The team explores how the director rose to prominence, balancing studio work with very personal projects, and making it look cool as hell in the process. There's also a nostalgic look back at the perils of suburbia and speculation as to whether Edward could nail tiki drinks. Time to take a trip back to the 90s and enjoy some of Danny Elfman's greatest work on this happy mid-march episode!
Dave and Chuck the Freak talk about getting presents as an adult vs. getting presents as a kid, Edward Scissorhands house remodeled to look like the movie set & put up for sale, claims that Machine Gun Kelly doesn't really play guitar live, a dude busted recording over 500 naked men in gym locker rooms, a NYC man that needed rescue twice in two days while hiking, an OnlyFans star almost dies doing a livestream in a hot tub, a demon locked in a rock for 1000 years was just released in Japan, Ask D&CtF- A listener has a concern about her boyfriend's dong, a trucker fears he was spied on while dropping a deuce, plus an encounter with a Tennessee thruple, a guy in trouble for using COVID funds to buy a rare Pokémon card, and more!
Weird Wednesday- Aaron Rodgers to return to Packers- NFL Salary Cap- NFL star Richard Sherman pleads guilty to misdemeanor charges - NHL cut ties with Russian hockey league -Laker's Russell Westbrook to push back against Westbrick shaming- AEW Preview- Men's College Basketball- River Dragons Bye Week- Haunting Painting- Navy Officer Shot at Something in the Dark- House from Edward Scissorhands for Sale- More
Today on the Woody and Wilcox Show: Cleaning out the show's office; The Batman excels at the box office; It Happened in Florida; Cool Beans Remix; Anniversary of Wilcox's broken pinkie; SNL sketch about meatballs on a woman; Apple and Volkswagen have product announcements this week; Coach K's last game at Duke; Science Minute; The Edward Scissorhands house is up for sale; And so much more!
Join us as we take a trip back to the 50s/90s. A time of pastel colors puking over the landscape, bored suburban jackals, and AVON AVON AVON. Special guests Leia Crawford and Fionnegan Murphy join us as we take a look back at the seminal Tim Burton film from 1990, Edward Scissorhands. Lonely shut-ins, Breakfast Club glow-ups, all the thirsty people, we got it all! And cookies, all the cookies.
Trigger Warning: The following episode contains descriptions of graphic violence, domestic violence, and adult language. Viewer discretion is advised. This podcast is brought to you by Betterhelp.com. Go to betterhelp.com/itt to save 10% off your first month of therapy Many know Johnny Depp for his iconic roles as Willy Wonka, Captain Jack Sparrow, Edward Scissorhands, and so much more… But what happened to his career when the case of Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard started trending? Danielle and Max attempt to uncover the answer in Part 2 of The Narcissist Tales That Brian Fella's Johnny Depp content can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0C-N_MPYYOXyF4T3jMxNQ You can follow That Brian Fella Follow our podcast so you never miss an episode! Don't forget to like, rate and review. Follow on TikTok, Instagram,YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter A Hurrdat Media Production. Hurrdat Media is a digital media and commercial video production company based in Omaha, NE. Find more podcasts on the Hurrdat Media Network and learn more about our other services today on HurrdatMedia.com.
We're kicking off the week with an extra helping of In The Frame with Richard Winsor who is starring as Tony in the West End production of Saturday Night Fever.Richard previously played this role on tour across the UK and internationally ahead of bringing the show to the Peacock Theatre in London. Featuring the Bee Gees' greatest hits, Saturday Night Fever tells the story of Tony Manero and his reckless road to dancing success. The role was originated by John Travolta in the 1977 film. Richard started his career as a principal dancer for Matthew Bourne, starring in his productions of Spitfire, The Nutcracker, Play Without Words, Edward Scissorhands, The Car Man, Dorian Gray and Swan Lake. These shows have taken Richard around the world and to some of the most prestigious theatres. Richard then ventured in television, playing Father Francis in Hollyoaks and Caleb in BBC1's Casualty for over 100 episodes. His credits also include Swan Lake 3D (Universal), Streetdance 3D (BBC), Frankenstein (Royal & Derngate), The Anastasia File (Theatre Royal Windsor) and most recently he reunited with Matthew Bourne for The Midnight Bell on tour.Saturday Night Fever runs at the Peacock Theatre until 26th March 2022. Visit www.sadlerswells.com for info and tickets. Hosted by Andrew Tomlins. @AndrewTomlins32Thanks for listening! Email: firstname.lastname@example.orgVisit westendframe.co.uk for more info about our podcasts.
Welcome to the final week focused on Ashley's biggest crush, Johnny Depp! Today, Ashley and Sammi talk about movies that Ashley has dubbed "The Others": The Lone Ranger, Into the Woods, and Edward Scissorhands. Both hosts can agree that the first movie is not their favorite, but love the other two. They will circle back to do a better discussion of Into the Woods, since today's conversation mainly focuses on Johnny's (very!) brief role. Ashley realized she has never seen Scissorhands all the way through, but Sammi is happy to share what she enjoys most about this iconic film from Tim Burton (which also kicked off the lifelong friendship between Depp and Burton!). At the end of the show, you'll get a teaser for what's coming, as well as some reminiscing about high school crushes. Don't forget to find the show on TikTok and Instagram for more fun! @pixiedusttwinspodcastYou're tuned into a show from Limitless Broadcasting! Head over to Instagram @limitlessbroadcasting to check out our other shows! Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/LimitlessBroadcasting?fan_landing=true)
Close-Up'ın bu 14 Şubat özel bölümünde Tuba, Civan ve İrem alternatif aşk filmlerini mercek altına alıyorlar. Tarihin ötekilerinin vücut bulduğu mitlerin ışığında aşk hikayeleri sunan ve sistemin dışı ile içi arasındaki ilişkiler üzerine kafa yoran üç modern film bu bölümün merkezinde yer alıyor. Keyifli dinlemeler! Filmler: 1- Wild (2016) 2- Let the Right One In (2008) 3- Edward Scissorhands (1990)
Love is in the air this month so we decided to look at a movie starring a real life couple: Edward Scissorhands. The 1990 gothic fantasy romance marked both the first collaboration between Johnny Depp and Tim Burton but also the first and only film to star Hollywood's strangest couple at the time Johnny Depp and Winona Ryder. A film that in hindsight is actually a really good reflection of their real life relationship. Why is that? We find out. We talk that plus Super Bowl LVI, latest trailers like Lightyear, the nominations for the 94th Academy Awards and more right here on Notorious by Chance. 0:35 - Super Bowl Predictions/New Coaches/Brian Flores Lawsuit and Diversity in the NFL/Tom Brady Retires 28:58 - Trailer Talk 53:53 - NOTORIOUS News 1:18:03 - 94th Academy Award Nominations 1:37:49 - Edward Scissorhands Review
We discuss Tim Burton's cult classic film Edward Scissorhands, the first in what turned to a great partnership with Johnny Depp. The film is highly regarded but will it hold up 20 years later, let's just say it hit enough touch points for Dave that he made a list.
We're back in a new year with a new format. This week we're talking about two christmassy, folky, horror films, which are very different, yet very connected: Krampus (2015) and Edward Scissorhands (1990) --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/infinitefc/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/infinitefc/support
What is this? Is he a man? Is he a monster? Did Tim Burton really have anything to do with this film? The boys are back, baby, not skipping a beat reviewing films from the 90s. Our Hosts Ricky Glore Eric M Hunter Nick Prince Edward Scissorhands (1990) An artificial man, who was incompletely constructed and has scissors for hands, leads a solitary life. Then one day, a suburban lady meets him and introduces him to her world. DirectorTim Burton WritersTim Burton(story) Caroline Thompson(story) StarsJohnny Depp Winona Ryder Dianne Wiest
What's up, dudes? It's a LOST EPISODE! Recorded back in February of 2021, Ray Rojas from the Christmas Carols Blog and I talk chorales and choral pieces from various ‘80s (and some classics shown throughout the ‘80s) Christmas movies and tv specials. From “Mickey's Christmas Carol” to the 1984 “A Christmas Carol”, from "Somewhere In My Memory" to "The Ice Dance", we go in depth on some holiday hits! So grab your pitch pipe, go sit at your baby grand, and dive into this episode! Christmas Carols BlogFB: Christmas Carols & Sacred MusicIG: @carols_of_christmasNick Bicat
Christmas, okay?! In E43, Lauren and Jared get into things with a Negronomicon celebration of A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) getting inducted into the National Film Registry and a verbal, personal elegy of the life and works of one bell hooks upon her passing (11:05). To get y'all in the Christmas spirit, they decided to Crit everyone's double-holiday favorite, Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas (27:30). From a bombshell reveal on Jared's part about the film to Jack Skellington aka Bone Daddy's thought process of experiencing to just taking over Christmas, it's a holly-jolly good time for all. Happy Holidays, dear listeners! Enjoy! Find Us Online - Website: www.scarycritpodcast.com- Twitter: http://twitter.com/scarycritpodcast- Instagram: http://instagram.com/scarycritpodcastCredits- Host and Producer: Lauren La MelleInstagram: @laurenlamelle | Twitter: @laurenlamelle | Website: www.laurenlamelle.com- Host and Editor: Jared HudsonInstagram: @blossomsandbooks93 | Twitter: @jareddhudsonGems from E42Insecure (2016)Parasite (2019)Futurama (1999)Osmosis Jones (2001)A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)Psycho (1960)Dracula (1931)The Bride of Frankenstein (1935)Alien (1979)Rosemary's Baby (1968)The Shining (1980)The Exorcist (1973)Pink Flamingos (1972)Get Out (2017)Sex and the City (1998)Ain't I a Woman (bell hooks, South End Press, 1981, Print)Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center (bell hooks, South End Press, 1984, Print)Can the Subaltern Speak? Postkolonialität und subalterne Artikulation (Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, Turia + Kant, Verlag, 2008, Print)The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)Coraline (2009)Stars Wars (1977)The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)Super Mario 64 (1996)Dr. Suess' How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)Charlie Brown (1965)Gentrification (42.00)Little Shop of Horrors (1986)Beetlejuice (1988)Edward Scissorhands (1990)The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992)
Merry Christmas Eve Eve to all! And what better way to celebrate than listening to Houselights' podcast about the holiday tale of Edward Scissorhands. @drscifi @kesseljunkie & @theinsanerobin are going to spend the next several weeks exploring 90s Tim Burton. So prepare for things to get asymmetrical.
Merry Christmas Eve Eve to all! And what better way to celebrate than listening to Houselights' podcast about the holiday tale of Edward Scissorhands.@drscifi @kesseljunkie & @theinsanerobin are going to spend the next several weeks exploring 90s Tim Burton. So prepare for things to get asymmetrical.
Janet, from wife episode fame brings us a classic song from a classic movie. What song is it you ask, well you'll have to tune in and find out. However, we can say the minute you hear it you will be transported into a world of Christmas spirit! Kevin is next on Day 11 so stick around for the final 2 days.Artist: Danny ElfmanWebsiteFacebookTwitterSong: Ice Dance from the movie “Edward Scissorhands”
Happy Holiday Humpday Kinksters!This week Jenn and Cake discuss a Facebook thread of comments about what women want men to stop doing during sex. One woman's complaint is another's wet dream, at least for Jenn and Cake LOL. Enjoy!
Ben and Lexi reminisce about the quintessential coming of age movies of our youth - kind of. Dork You Forget About Me find Ben and Lexi looking back at classic 80's teen movies. Both Lexi and Ben struggled to fit in with humans and had to turn to movies to learn how to be a teen, which means watching copious amounts of John Hughes! In this episode, Ben and Lexi dork out about classic John Hughes movies, which holding them up to the test of time. Have these movies aged well? Listen now and find out! Show Notes:Lexi and Ben talked about the following movies:Uncle BuckThe Breakfast Club16 CandlesPretty in PinkHome AloneFootlooseWeird ScienceFerris Bueller's Day OffPump Up the VolumeCan't Hardly WaitAnd more!The full list of John Hughes movies can be found hereYou can find the episode of Art Intervention we mentioned hereWe talked about Margaret Atwood being a TERF and you can read about the 2018 conflict here and the more recent one hereSOCIALS:Here's where you can find us!Lexi's website and twitter and instagramBen's website and instagram and where to buy his book: Amazon.ca / Comixology / Ind!go / Renegade ArtsDork Matter's website(WIP) and twitter and instagramIf you're enjoying Dork Matters, we'd really appreciate a nice rating and review on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your pods. It would very much help us get this show to the other dorks out there.“We're all pretty bizarre. Some of us are just better at hiding it, that's all.” Transcript:Lexi 00:00One time I was driving to work and listening to like, you know, rap and I like aggressive hip hop, and I was listening--Ben 00:08[chuckles] Someday I'll ask you to define that, but not now.Lexi 00:12Okay, so, like, for example, I was listening to Run The Jewels one day, [Run The Jewels plays] which I wouldn't even classify as, like, super aggressive anyway, and I was trying to psych myself, like, "I gotta get in this building. I gotta be, like, in a good mood and talk to people all day," and so I was listening to it, fully cranked, and the windows were flexing, and I didn't realize there was just like a sea of children sitting there watching me, like, pound coffee, and try to, like, psych myself and, like, "Get out of the car, go inside," and it's just like, "Well, whoa, nope! Sorry, kids. I'm just gonna turn that off real quick". [music stops] I don't know what happened. [laughs]Ben 00:50I don't know how to get myself psyched up. When I worked in an office, I had about a 15- to 20-minute walk to work to, sort of like, just not be the person I normally am, and become work person. That didn't always work. I still a pretty grumpy shithead, usually. I don't like being bothered, and, you know, being in an office means you're just constantly bothered. It doesn't matter what you're trying to do.Lexi 01:15And you have to make small talk. Like, yuck. Ben 01:17Yeah, I had to learn how to do that. I've always been an introvert and making eye contact with people, when you have a conversation and just like... And so, I'm actually pretty good at just talking bullshit now with people. I don't like it. I don't like doing it. I don't like this other version of me is just talking to people, and I'm just like, "Eugh. Glad I'm not that guy."Lexi 01:36There are so many times where I'll finish doing, like, a presentation or having small talk with someone, and I'll go away and I'll be like, "Oh, she's terrible," and I'm referring to me. Like, I hate that part of me like, [upbeat] "Hey, how's it going?" I'm like, "Eugh! God."Ben 01:51Yeah. So that's an interesting thing with, like, being a stay-at-home parent now too, is like, I don't get to go to a different place and be a different person for a while, and divorce myself from who I think I am, versus the person I have to be in a work setting. Now, it's all just me, and it's all just gotta try to do well all the time. Lexi 02:11That sounds hard. Oh.Ben 02:13Can't phone it in like I used to when I'd go to the office. [laughs]Lexi 02:17Well, I mean, you could. You could just like plunk him in the laundry basket in front of the TV.Ben 02:21No. I mean, I'm incapable of doing that.Lexi 02:24That's good. That's good.Ben 02:25I am your Cyclops archetype. I am responsible to a fault. "No Fun Ben", I think, is what I used to be called.Lexi 02:33Oh, I was the old wet blanket. Ben 02:35You know, you guys would be like, "Let's go to a party and get drunk." I'm like, "I don't know about that. I gotta be home by 9 PM and, you know, we're underage." [laughs]Lexi 02:43I do remember being at a party at your place when you lived with Brandon, and in the middle of the party, you did start doing dishes. [Ben laughs] I remember, I was like, "Hmm, this is interesting."Ben 02:55They were stacking up. You gotta keep 'em clean. You gotta keep them clean. That's just respectful to other people.Lexi 03:00Fun is fun, guys, but come on. Like, clean up after yourselves.Ben 03:04"No, no. Y'all keep having fun. I'll clean the dishes." That's a nice thing for me to do. [laughs]Lexi 03:08I was the wet blanket in terms of like, you know, at the sleepovers, I'd go, "Oh, it's getting late, ladies. It's probably some shut-eye time."Ben 03:16Oh, god. You're lucky you didn't get Sharpied every time.Lexi 03:20Those people, I think maybe they were like, "Is she...? Is she, like, you know...? Should we be nice to her because she's not all there?"Ben 03:29"The same as us."Lexi 03:29Yeah. And sometimes I kind of wondered, like, "Did they think that I am maybe on the spectrum or something?" which I kind of wonder if I am sometimes.Ben 03:38God, I wonder all the time if I am, and I'm not trying to say that as a joke. Like, I constantly--Lexi 03:41No, no.Ben 03:43--wonder if my inability to connect with people is something neurodivergent.Lexi 03:49Oh, do you do-- okay, sometimes I'll watch people. I'll watch-- like, especially when it comes to women, and when I was a teenager, I would watch groups of girls interact, and I felt like I was watching, like, a nature program. Like, "Ah. That is how the female species puts on makeup," and it never made sense to me to like go up to them and be like, "Hey, gals, let's all put our makeup on together." I was just, like, so awkward that I didn't understand how to talk to them.Ben 04:18Yeah. The thing for me was that I was just always felt on outside, as well. Like, I never felt like I had a group of friends in any situation. Part of that was moving schools a lot. Part of that was never feeling like I connected with other individuals. So yeah. No, I definitely should probably figure out if I'm--Lexi 04:35But I think that that's a great thing that people are learning more about themselves at all times because sometimes, like, I'll talk to adults that are like, "Well, I probably have a learning disability and that would have made school a lot easier, but what's the point in finding out now?" I'm like, "Well, why wouldn't you?"Ben 04:51How would that make... Well and, like, record scratch. [scratching record DJ-style] How would that make school more easy for you? Would you have had maybe more support? Maybe, but maybe not. It depends on where you were, what kind of, like, financial supports the school had, what your parents believed. Like, you know, there's no reason to think, like, if you have a disability, you have it easy. That's a wild take.Lexi 05:11Yeah, I think you can... You're right. Like, it depends on where you are, that you can access different types of supports, but I think we're also moving towards a more inclusive education model in the old Canada, where you should be treating everybody... It's like, it's technically universal design for learning where everybody should benefit from like, you know, flexible due dates, and, like, more understanding progressive assessment practices, because, yeah, like if you do have a disability, and you need a little bit more support, that's great, but if you don't, you can still get support, too, and that's fine, too. Ben 05:49Yeah. Lexi 05:50But, ah, that's interesting. This is maybe a good, like, introduction, though, because as teenagers when we were watching, trying to learn how to be a teenager, you turn to movies to try to understand, like, how to fit in.Ben 06:05Right. So the question is, like, "Should we have ever even looked at those other groups and people and been like, 'I'm supposed to be that way?' Or was that something we were taught by John Hughes and his movies?"Lexi 06:18Oh, John Hughes. I'm so conflicted. Ben 06:21So we're here tonight, as you've certainly guessed, to talk about '80s teen movies. You know 'em. You love 'em. We are going to revisit our memories of those movies, talk about some things that don't really hold up, some things that do just fine, and some things that are problematic and it matters to dorks. Wow, that was rough. Lexi 06:47That was-- I won't lie about it. It wasn't your best.Ben 06:51No, let's hit the theme song and let's try again after. [Lexi laughs] [theme music "Dance" by YABRA plays] Ben 07:22Welcome to Dork Matters--Voiceover 07:24[echoing] Dork Matters.Ben 07:24--the show by and for dorks, made by dorks, in a tree of dorks. We're like little dork elves, Keebler elves that make you dork cookies.Lexi 07:34Oh, I like that. Ben 07:36Yeah.Lexi 07:36That's a nice little image.Ben 07:38Yeah. Lexi 07:39We grow on trees.Ben 07:40[chuckling] Yeah, or are we are inside of trees, baking tree.Lexi 07:44Yeah, 'cause we don't like the outside so much. Ben 07:46No, I'm not an outside person. [Lexi laughs] I am your Dad Dork host, Ben Rankel, and with me, as always is...Lexi 07:53Your Movie Buff Dork, Lexi Hunt.Ben 07:56Oh, wow. No alliteration at all. You're just flying--Lexi 07:59Nah, just gettin' right in there. You know what? Fuck it.Ben 08:03You are going to have to be the movie buff dork tonight. I have tried to bone up on our subject, and I'm like, "Good God, I need a week to prepare for this by rewatching every single teen movie from the '80s," because that's what we're here to talk about tonight, or today, or whenever you're listening to this. Time is a flat circle. [chuckles] We're here to talk about teen movies of the '80s.Lexi 08:26[sing-songy] I love this episode.Ben 08:30The good, the bad, the ugly, the ones that hold up really well, the ones that do not hold up. We're gonna just shoot the shit on teen movies 'cause that's what we do. Lexi 08:39Oh, yeah.Ben 08:40We're gonna get a bunch of shit wrong, as usual, and that's half the fun here.Lexi 08:44Can I start by saying, like, how many movies did John Hughes create? My god, that man was prolific. Ben 08:51Yeah. So it depends on if we wanna look at whether he directed it, or produced it, or whatever, but if we just go by Wikipedia filmography, let's count these out. 1, 2, 3, 4... (fast-forwarded counting) 38. 38 different films.Lexi 09:16And a lot of them, like, I didn't actually know that he did some of them. Some of them, of course, I was like, "I knew that one. That's a John Hughes," but, like, Maid in Manhattan? What?Ben 09:27Yeah. Flubber.Lexi 09:28He was part of Flubber.Ben 09:30He was part of Flubber. He produced Flubber. Yeah, all the Home Alone's, right up to Home Alone 4: Taking Back the House, that seminal classic. We watch it every year at Christmas. Not the earlier three Home Alone's, just Home Alone 4, the one everyone remembers.Lexi 09:47Yeah, the one that went straight to VHS release.Ben 09:50Yeah. I think, unfortunately, it was even DVD at that point. Just DVD. [Lexi groans]Lexi 09:55But then there's so many great ones too, that... Actually, I was talking to John about, you know, "What movies did you guys watch when you were growing up that we you would classify as a teen movie?" and he was more in the action side of the '80s and '90s movies, so he was like, "I can talk to you about The Rock. How do you feel about that?" But not so much... I think he said that they watched Breakfast Club in school, which I find incredible. Like, "Why did you watch that in school?!" Like, listening to it, there's so many messed-up things like Emilio Estevez talks about supergluing a guy's butt crack together. Like, "I know, and I'm going to show my grade nines today." [chuckles theatrically]Ben 10:38And that's one of the tamer things that happens in that film, like, that doesn't hold up. [Lexi laughs] I mean, we might as well get into it. Let's start with the seminal classic, The Breakfast Club with, you know, the greatest brat cast that you've ever seen. Everyone has seen this movie. We all know how it ends, that jumping fist pump in the air. [Simple Minds "Don't You (Forget About Me)" plays]Lexi 11:00You can hear the music right now, can't you?Ben 11:01[sings] Don't you forget about me.Lexi 11:03And I gotta say, best soundtrack. Ben 11:07[sings] Forget about you.Lexi 11:10[sings] Don't you... [speaks] I also like that like weird slide guitar. [sings descending glissando, imitating slide guitar] That's a great '80s sound right there.Ben 11:17[chuckling] I want you to do it again. [Lexi sings imitation along with slide guitar] Nice. Let's start a band.Lexi 11:23I can play the mouth trumpet. [laughs] And that's... Okay, that sounds really dirty, but it's actually like... [sings melody, buzzing lips] [laughs]Ben 11:29I can play the mouth harp, as well, as long as we're embarrassing ourselves. [Lexi laughs] [harmonica plays] That's right. I play harmonica, as if I couldn't get any loser-ier. That's a word.Lexi 11:37Hey, man, I played the clarinet in the old high-school band for many years. [clarinet plays basic melody] Ben 11:41I think I played clarinet at one point, too, in the band. Lexi 11:46It's a great instrument. So Breakfast Club, which is weird, because Sixteen Candles... Okay, let's let's go through--Ben 11:55I feel like Sixteen Candles is probably the greatest offender of any teen movie--Lexi 11:59Oh.Ben 11:59--we're gonna talk about.Lexi 12:00It's so bad. Yeah. Ben 12:03And, you know, everyone loves Breakfast Club. I feel like maybe Sixteen Candles is a little less watched, still. I mean, we can talk about 'em both, but let's turn to Breakfast Club, first. Let's talk about some of the fucked-up shit that you remember happening and see if it's all true. You guys let us know if we make up anything.Lexi 12:19I couldn't get over the fact that, first of all, I was like, "Who the hell has detention on the weekend?" Because that's more of a punishment to the teachers than anything. Like--Ben 12:29Yeah, that's not happening. Lexi 12:31And what parent would be like, "Yeah"? Parents would be like, "No, I'm not doing that." [laughs]Ben 12:37Yeah, "You wanna keep my kid half an hour after school, that's one thing."Lexi 12:42Like, "Go nuts." Ben 12:42But yeah, they're not coming in on a weekend." And what teacher wants to do that? Like, you're not getting paid for that. Is that extra-curricular at that point? [Lexi blows through lips]Lexi 12:50I think that there's just so many issues with detention as-- like, that's a whole other issue. But to, like, spend your weekend... I know they're trying to demonstrate that, like, the character of-- god, what is his name? The assistant principal who hauls everybody in. It just shows what a miserable git he is. But, eugh, to me, like, that, already, I was like, "This movie is just setting me up for"--Ben 13:15Principal Richard Vernon, who, like, already is a problem, because this guy just treats these children--Lexi 13:21He's so horrible.Ben 13:22--and they are children, just awful. Yeah, just like a way that he would have lost his job if it was nowadays. There's no way he keeps his job past that weekend. There's no way he keeps his job past, like, his first interaction with, I think, Emilio Estevez with the stupid devil horns and, like, [in devil voice] "the rest of your natural born..." That'd be on TikTok. In, like, five minutes, there'd be a whole crowd of people knocking down his doors. The school board trustees, they'd be like, "Nah, you don't have a job anymore."Lexi 13:46And, as well they should. Like, you can't... There's one part in the movie where Judd Nelson's character--Ben 13:53Bender.Lexi 13:54--is playing basketball in the gym, and he's like, "I'm thinking about going out for a scholarship," and that's such a great point that, like, he could have just been like, "Okay, let's play," and then like, look, you're building relationship and you're not being a complete d-bag. Then, like, get to know him! Just play basketball with him. It's, literally, a Saturday, and you're sitting in your office. You may as well.Ben 14:16Yeah. Instead, he yells at him, if I remember correctly, and tells him he's never going anywhere. Lexi 14:21Yeah, that he's a, you know, piece of trash. Just, you don't talk to people that way. It's terrible. So, it's so, just, offensive to... You should never treat anyone like that, and you should never, 100%, have teachers speaking to students that way. That's just unacceptable.Ben 14:38The movie is in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress, for its culturally, historically, and aesthetically significant nature, so that's something that I didn't just read off of Wikipedia.Lexi 14:51I mean, it is a huge part of culture that, kind of, changed the way that we, you know, talk about things.Ben 14:57Do you remember where the movie's set?Lexi 15:00They're all kind of set in the same...Ben 15:03Middle America. Lexi 15:04Yeah, like a Michigan kind of place.Ben 15:08Michigan is what I would guess. I have no idea. I can't remember any more. It's a very white cast, as well, which is interesting.Lexi 15:15Oh, yeah.Ben 15:16Yeah, what are some other egregious issues that we have with that one?Lexi 15:19Well, I don't like the way that Claire, so Molly Ringwald's character, she is berated, harassed by Bender the entire movie. He's got his head between her legs at one point, because he's hiding, and, at the end of the movie, she, like, goes and makes out with him and they become, like, boyfriend and girlfriend because he's wearing her earring and, like, you don't reward, like, a guy that treats you like trash, a person that treats you like trash. They're not gonna change. [laughs]Ben 15:51Yeah. I, 100%, remember it seeming, sort of, weird that that was, like, his reward for having some sort of character redemption is that Molly Ringwald will date him. And that's supposed to be character growth for her, is that she's not so stuck up anymore, she'll date somebody who's... poor and abusive?Lexi 16:07I guess? Or that, like, she's pushing back against her parents or... Like, I didn't really care for that part as much. Ben 16:18Yeah. Lexi 16:18But then, like, then you've got Claire and Allison, at one point, doing, like, makeovers and Allison's the kind of the quiet one who's the artist and the freak who's-- she's choosing to be at the detention instead of being sent there, and so Claire gives her the makeover and, all of a sudden, she's She's All That-ed. She's pretty, and now Emilio Estevez's character, Andrew, is, like, into her. If it wasn't for a lame... Before, he didn't see her, but as soon as Molly Ringwald puts some makeup on her, and pulled her hair back, well, now Allison's a person. I just thought like, "Ugh, that sends the wrong message."Ben 16:55Yeah.Lexi 16:56But, as a teenager, you're like, "Oh, that's how I get the attention of a boy."Ben 17:01Yeah, "I've gotta conform to beauty standards that are set out for me." Yeah, it's not great. It doesn't hold up. It feels wrong nowadays. I mean, it's really difficult to watch and think anything positive of it anymore.Lexi 17:14[laughs] The soundtrack was good. Ben 17:16Yeah, the soundtrack was good. Lexi 17:17But then John and I are having a conversation about that, and he's like, "Yeah, but at the time, that's what was a successful movie, and so, how fair is it for us to judge something from the past by today's standards?" Like, "Well, it's a difficult one. Like--"Ben 17:33Absolutely. Lexi 17:34I think we have to.Ben 17:36I mean, yeah, and also, like, what does that really mean, the idea of fair? Like, I mean, it feels sort of like the wrong question to apply to, sort of, reexamining past media. Like, you don't get a pass just because it was from the past.Lexi 17:54Yeah, there you go.Ben 17:55And the whole point of looking at something from the future is to reanalyze it from the scope that we have now. Like, you can do that and still acknowledge that, at the time, that general awareness of these sorts of things wasn't what it is now, but that's not really the point, I guess, is what I'm getting at.Lexi 18:12I can understand the criticism of like, yeah, you know, it's a questionable movie, but at the time, it was very progressive. And even now, like, I'm sure there are some TV shows, movies, books, whatever, that we think are pretty progressive that, in the future, people have problems with, but that's the point. Like, if we're all staying the exact same, that's the issue. Could we not be able to move forward, and then look back and be like, "Eugh. I shouldn't have done that"? Let's have a conversation about it.Ben 18:37I think the world and where it existed, and when it was made, is not where we are now. Like, that's not really the point. So Breakfast Club, like, none of these movies are really going to hold up to every standard that we have nowadays.Lexi 18:47No, it's impossible.Ben 18:48The bigger question is like, "Can I still enjoy this media the same way?" And you can't, especially... I mean, I don't think this movie, you can really... Like, I can watch it. I could enjoy parts of it, I suppose, but I don't know. I don't know if I really even would try to rewatch this movie. It used to come on TBS a lot, so we didn't have much of a choice, but...Lexi 19:10Yeah, I think now I would fast forward through a lot of it. Ben 19:14Yeah, I can't see myself going back to rewatch this, unlike a movie like "Footloose", which I still think is a fun watch. Same era, same sort of idea. There's a lot going on in that movie, too that's kind of effed up. Like, I think the main character, whose name I cannot remember, but it's Kevin Bacon, he moves to the small town where dancing and music is outlawed, and the girl that he falls for, her dad's abusive, her boyfriend's abusive, but I think, at one point, her boyfriend actually just punches her, and I'm just like, "Why would even?" Like, [sighs] in that sense, they're not trying to glorify that behavior necessarily, but it's... Yeah, so that's the interesting thing. Maybe that's what you gotta look at is the depiction of the thing in the movie something thing that they're doing as a "We're not thinking critically about this because that's the era we're from," or are they presenting it in that era, but they're saying, "This isn't a thing that should be happening," and that's a tough one. I can't remember that movie well enough. But I still like the dancin'.Lexi 20:17You like the dancin' part of it, hey?Ben 20:19Yep. Kevin Bacon, finally, in 2013, I think, admitted that he had a dance double for parts of that, but he did a lot of the dancing himself, he said.Lexi 20:28Did we not know that? I thought that that was widely accepted.Ben 20:32I don't know. It was just a thing I remember reading a while back, but yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like, that movie, I could rewatch again. I feel like it's worth going back for the dancing. I don't know what would bring me back to Breakfast Club, aside from the soundtrack, which I can just listen to on my own.Lexi 20:46Yeah, I would just listen to the s... Like, if it was on the TV.Ben 20:50I guess I like Emilio Estevez. I like Molly Ringwald. Like--Lexi 20:53Then watch "Mighty Ducks", Ben. Ben 20:55Yeah, and that's what I do. We're gonna have to do an episode on "The Mighty Ducks". I love "The Mighty Ducks: Game Changers" on Disney+. Lexi 21:02Oh, there you go. Yes. Ben 21:04Disney+ isn't sponsoring our show, but if they want to. [Lexi laughs] I like "Game Changers". It's a little weird. It's a little bit--Lexi 21:13I can't say that I've watched it, but, you know, I'll take a look-see.Ben 21:17Yeah. Oh, are we gonna do a "Dawson's Creek" episode or teen TV dramas of the 2000s? And those are-- a lot of those are trash but, like--Lexi 21:26Yes.Ben 21:26Yeah.Lexi 21:27I could talk about those, just "Smallville". Oh, my god. We need to talk about "Buffy". What are we doing, here?Ben 21:32That's an interesting one, like, 'cause, you know, 'cause you have to deal with the Joss Whedon. I call him Josh now. He lost his privilege at two "s"-es.Lexi 21:41You know, you strike an "s" off the name. Okay. We have to talk about Sixteen Candles, though, because it is the worst.Ben 21:50The worst. There is nothing--Lexi 21:53I think that a couple come close. Ben 21:55I could rewatch Breakfast Club, yeah. Like, I could re-watch Breakfast Club. There's a lot I don't like about it, and a lot that doesn't hold up, a lot of analysis of, sort of like, teen issues that doesn't really feel like it really got it, but I could rewatch it. I will not re-watch Sixteen Candles. I mean, give us a rundown. Give us the point-by-point. What's wrong with Sixteen Candles, aside from everything?Lexi 22:17If you've never watched Sixteen Candles before, don't. I will just run through it really quick. Basically, it's a party movie. Sam, play by Molly Ringwald, it's her birthday. It's her 16th birthday, but her entire family has basically forgotten, and she's really pissed off about the whole thing, so she's a real b-word all day at school. Meanwhile, she has this huge crush on this guy Jake Ryan who's, like, the quintessential hot dude of the school. Ben 22:42The perfect dude. Yeah.Lexi 22:44And, like, everyone of their little friend group is just like, "No, he's got such a hot girlfriend." They even show her showering naked in the girls' change room to really hammer home the fact that this lady is like a full-blown babe.Ben 22:59Wait. I do not remember this part of the movie. There's a naked scene of Molly Ringworld as a teenager?Lexi 23:06Yeah. Not Molly Ringwald. It was the girlfriend.Ben 23:08Oh, I'm sorry. I missed that. Lexi 23:10Molly Ringwald and her creepy friend... It's so creepy. They're leering and watching her shower because Molly Ringwald is comparing her chest to Jake Ryan's girlfriend to be like, "Oh, she's such a... She's a woman and I'm a girl. Why would he ever pay attention to me?" because boobs are the only thing that matter, apparently. Ben 23:10Mm.Lexi 23:30And then, meanwhile, so at the same time, Sam, Molly Ringwald, her grandparents come to her house, and they bring their foreign exchange student.Ben 23:41No. We can't even get into the foreign exchange student. It's so bad.Lexi 23:45It's so bad. I'm not even gonna. Like, you can go look it up. I'm not gonna say his name because it makes me feel uncomfortable, if I'm honest, but it's like a derogatory name that is just, like, it's just so offensive, and every time he's--Ben 23:58It's intended to mimic what white people make as sounds when they try to, you know, do Asian voices or language, and it's just a continuous shit show of racism.Lexi 24:12Oh, Ben, every time the character is on the screen, a gong sounds.Ben 24:15Yeah, I remember that part.Lexi 24:16Like, oh. [groans frustratedly] So then, Sam goes to the dance because she still has a thing for Jake, and she has to bring people with her, and now enter Michael C. Hall.Ben 24:17Oh, he's Ducky, right?Lexi 24:31And his creepy little character because... No, that's "Pretty In Pink". Come on. Jesus Christ, Lexi. Get your shit together.Ben 24:39Oh, god. I'm mixing up movies. Well, I'm sorry that all good John Hughes movies start to blend together after a while. [Lexi laughs] Sorry, I can't specify which Molly Ringwald film we're talking about. She wears the same thing in every movie, too.Lexi 24:51No. She... Ben 24:52She looks exactly the same.Lexi 24:53She... Well, yeah, that's good.Ben 24:54I'm pretty sure she's in a pink dress in every movie.Lexi 24:56Okay, I will accept that. Anthony Michael Hall's character is Ted, and they refer to him as "Farmer Ted" the entire movie, which I don't really understand why that's the thing.Ben 25:06Oh, he's the one that gets sent home with what's-her-face? Lexi 25:09Yes. Ben 25:10Right? When she's drunk, and he, basically...Lexi 25:11Yeah, right?Ben 25:13It's a date rape situation. How fun. Lexi 25:15Well, and first, like, he won't leave Sam alone at the dance. He keeps following her around, won't take no for an answer, and she basically has to barter with him to piss off by giving him her panties. So... And then he pretends that he like got them, however, and is cheered on by, like, a full bathroom full of dorks-- not our people-- but then this devolves into a party at Jake's house. Everybody kind of winds up at this Jake's house party, where Jake's girlfriend is drunk and kind of an asshole. He kicks them all out and gives Ted the keys to his car, and his passed-out girlfriend in the backseat, and long story short, he winds up making out with her when she comes to, eventually.Ben 25:59Yeah, I remember that.Lexi 26:00And, when she asks, "Did you take advantage of me?" and he said, "No," and she was like, "Cool." [laughs] Like, what?!Ben 26:08Wait. Don't they actually end up, like, doing it in that movie? And neither of them remember it, or am I thinking of another movie again?Lexi 26:15It could. You know what? Ben 26:16Remember that they, like--Lexi 26:17I haven't seen it in a while.Ben 26:18"I don't remember if we did it or not," and then they're both like, "Yeah, we did it," and it's like, that's supposed to be cool or something, and I'm like-- and, like, a virtuous moments where--Lexi 26:24That does sound about right. Ben 26:25Yeah, I remember throwing up. Like, I don't think that movie even sat well with me in the '90s when I was a teen, seeing it for the first time. I was like...Lexi 26:32[whispers] No.Ben 26:34"..eugh." Yeah, Sixteen Candles is gross. What else? Is there anything else gross about Sixteen Candles that we need to mention before we move on? Don't rewatch Sixteen Candles. It's no good.Lexi 26:42Don't. Well, it ends with Sam getting Jake and he gets her a birthday cake, and, you know, it's this beautiful moment between the two of them, but it's just like, she spent the entire movie comparing herself to other people, about how she was shit and not good enough for him, and he spends the entire movie pissed off at the world that he lives in because he's, like, this wealthy, white dude with a dumb girlfriend, and he's brutal to her. Like, he's really mean to his girlfriend, like, sends her off to be, like, you know, ravaged by some stranger.Ben 27:15Yeah. He sends her off to get raped. Lexi 27:17Yeah. And then it's like, "Okay, movie over." Ben 27:19Yeah, and I remember him also saying like, a bunch of really crass shit to her before, because she's drunk, and being like, "I could abuse you all I want if I wanted to. Yeah, it's super fucked-up and that's supposed to be a virtue for this guy--Lexi 27:31Yeah, he's the good one.Ben 27:32--that he looks down on her for being drunk.Lexi 27:34Oh.Ben 27:35Yeah. Fuckin' dumpster fire movie, and so this is why, like, people, you bring these up and they'll be like, "I fucking hate Ron Hughes." Yeah, Ron Hughes. I don't know who that is, but I hate him, too, just for sounding like John Hughes. [Lexi laughs] Fuck you, Ron.Lexi 27:50But, I think it's also like, the genre of, like, rom coms. Like, eugh. This is where it's kind of like stemmed from some of these teen movies . People think, "Like, this is maybe like the norm?" Like, "No, it isn't. This isn't good."Ben 28:04What's next on our on our shit shower?Lexi 28:07"Weird Science".Ben 28:09Are we doing "Pretty in Pink" at some point?Lexi 28:11"Pretty in Pink", technically, comes after "Weird Science". "Weird Science" was released in 1985.Ben 28:16Oh, we're doing these chronologically? Okay, my bad. Okay, "Weird Science" it is. So like, are we even gonna find teen... Like, John Hughes defined this era and defined what it meant to be a teen in this era, so I guess we may not get away from his movies. I mean, "Footloose" wasn't one of his, so that was good, but that's wild. It's basically just a John Hughes shit episode. Fuck you, John Hughes.Lexi 28:37But, no. I've got some redeeming ones.Ben 28:40And your brother, Ron. From John Hughes? I don't agree.Lexi 28:44I've got one. I got a couple that I'm gonna fight for, saying they're good.Ben 28:47What? Okay, you're gonna have to try real hard to make me like john Hughes in any capacity. "Weird Science", let's just get the premise out of the way. These two losers decide that they're going to robo-code their-- I'm just gonna use fake science words 'cause that's what they do in this movie-- they're gonna robo-code their digi-ideal woman and build her to be perfect and subservient to them. The whole premise is fucked up and weird and gross, and then, through the magic of--Lexi 29:11Yeah, the magic of science.Ben 29:12--science, I don't know, this woman comes true. She's there. Suddenly, they built her, and they can do anything they want with their new robo-girl or whatever. [Lexi sighs] Lexi 29:24And... [groans].Ben 29:25The only thing that's redeeming is a nice title song written by Oingo Boingo, the new-wave band from the '80s.Lexi 29:32Ah, Oingo Boingo. Yep. I know that it was this whole, you know, the dorks or the geeks strike back where like Revenge of the Nerds and that was also another popular problematic movie of the era, of just, like, dorks who aren't... You know, it's basically like these, the nice guys, the incels.Ben 29:52Incels.Lexi 29:53They can't get-- no girls will pay attention to them 'cause they're not popular jocks. Wah, wah, wah. So what we're gonna do--Ben 29:59No, this is great. I like this line we're riding. I like this. This is, we are what's-his-face from It's Always Sunny.Lexi 30:07Dennis?Ben 30:08No. Not Dennis. We're not Dennis. Nobody's Dennis. Dennis is a sociopath. Lexi 30:11I was gonna say.Ben 30:12Ferris Bueller is Dennis. Lexi 30:13He's a serial killer. Ben 30:15Well, that's--Lexi 30:16Mac?Ben 30:16No, not Mac. Goddamn. Charlie.Lexi 30:18Charlie?Ben 30:19We're Charlie at the wall with the line, and we have just gone from John Hughes movies to the nice-guy phenomenon, and then straight on past that to the incel, the current incel disgusting thing that we have going on. Lexi 30:35Well, all of like...Ben 30:36It's all Ron and John Hughes' fault.Lexi 30:39Anthony Michael Hall basically played an incel [chuckling] for, like, his entire teenage youth--Ben 30:46God.Lexi 30:46--of the best friend who's just waiting around. "When's it gonna be his turn, gosh darn it?" because that's what it takes.Ben 30:52Yeah, and if I put in enough, you know, "nice coins" into the Woman Gashapon I will get the sex prize in the little ball. Lexi 31:00Exactly. Ben 31:01Yeah, I mean, fuck, as a white male, this is the kind of shit that I was taught, too. Like, I had some very strong, and I mean that as in of character, women, who... I mean, I could have been a very shitty person if I didn't have people that were better than me that helped me learn to be better. That should have been the responsibility but, like, "Thanks for being in my life to help me not end up like these fuckers." 'Cause I didn't get that from, like, my upbringing and, like, watching this kind of bullshit, or from, like, my religious upbringing. You definitely were taught that, like, the idea was that you put those wonderful little friendship points in, and eventually, you're gonna get what you want back out of it, which is not a relationship with another human being. It's vagina. Lexi 31:46Yeah, they just, the pure physical nature of it. But then, if we can move on to Pretty In Pink, which I think Ducky is the worst character for that, is the most blatant character for that. I mean, like, he's--Ben 32:01Oh, yeah. He's nice guy.Lexi 32:02[groans] He is so horrible, such a, like, you know, kickin' rocks and, "Aw, gee, when's it gonna be my time? Nobody loves you like I love you," like, gaslighting Molly Ringwald's character.Ben 32:15Unrequited love sort of thing is supposed to be, like, romantic, as opposed to creepy.Lexi 32:20Well, and speaking of creepy, then James Spader's creep-ass character is even worse because he's the king gaslighter of pretending to absolutely hate Molly Ringwald's character, Andie, but then, secretly is like trying to get with her and like, "Yeah, there it is. There's the douchebag," and I did know guys like that in high school that would pretend, "Oh, we don't talk when we're at school, but then I'll message you on MSN later tonight."Ben 32:48Yeah, I mean, this this is where I get ranty because this leads me into one of my hot topics and also not a sponsor of the show. [Lexi laughs] Wish they were. Do they still exist?Lexi 33:01Yeah, they do. There's one at Market Mall.Ben 33:04Yeah, you can get, like, records from them, and film. They're the only place that sell record players and film anymore. Lexi 33:09[laughing] Yep. Ben 33:10But this is one of, like, things that gets me kind of passionate is that, when this kind of subject comes up, men get mad at people pointing it out, white males specifically get mad at people pointing out that, like, this was sort of the culture that we were steeped in, what we were built to be like. I feel like men should be super fucking angry that this is what society tried to turn us into, did turn us into. Like, but instead, we double down on this shit. We get mad. We try to defend it. We try to defend that like "culture", but like, we should be fucking pissed all the time about what society, what our society, patriarchal and you know, colonial as it is, like, what it tried, and tries, and continues to try to turn white men into. Like, but dudes just don't get pissed at that. For some reason, they just can't. They can't find that, and it makes me mad on a daily basis. I see myself as, sort of like, this robot that was built by, you know, these fucking people to do this thing, and it makes me mad every day that I almost didn't have a fair shot at being like a normal-ish human being that could treat people with empathy and kindness because of this kind of media, of this kind of culture, this pervasiveness, and yeah, fuck it. It just gets me that other dudes, you know, aren't just constantly pissed off about this.Lexi 34:27Well, when you talk about, like, systemic racism, and lots of people are like, "There's no such thing ," which is bullshit--Ben 34:32Yes. [along with dancehall airhorn] B-b-b-bullshit. Sorry. I hadn't gotten one of those in in a few episodes.Lexi 34:36That's all good. We've gotta have one of those per episode. I feel like these, like, not necessarily these ones but movies like these, this is a part of it, of just like keeping everybody in their place, and telling everybody what role. "You sit on that chair over there. You wear that type of T-shirt." Like, this is-- and even like looking at the '90s movies, it's just as bad because now we have like--Ben 34:59Oh no. Yeah, definitely.Lexi 35:00It's just as bad, and even now, I was thinking like, "What are the current teen movies?" They're not that different, really.Ben 35:08I don't really know. Well, no, 'cause I guess it's still the same machine, and the same systemic system. [laughs] The same systemic system that's still turning this shit out. It hasn't-- like, the decision makers, the money and stuff, are all of a certain, I don't know, persuasion, ilk, build, and so that hasn't changed, so why would the content change? You know, there might be veneers put on things from people at certain parts of the process, but the assembly line is still largely the same and has the same intent. The blueprints haven't changed.Lexi 35:41You know--Ben 35:42Have I mixed my metaphor enough?Lexi 35:45You got a little... They're good. Ben 35:46Yeah. Lexi 35:47Like, just so thinking of the other podcast, "Art Intervention", there was one episode where I found out a lot of research about why the art industry, especially, like, art galleries, and museums, are so white, and one article I found was talking about, they're super white because those types of institutions, typically, they don't have a lot of government support. They don't have any, like, you know, public money coming in that's really keeping the lights on, so you really have to rely on the private sector for donations, and, unfortunately, a lot of the wealthy patrons for a lot of these big, big institutions are, largely, white patrons, and they don't wanna feel uncomfortable, and they don't wanna feel like--Ben 36:38No. It always comes with strings.Lexi 36:40It's always coming with strings, and so they don't want you to be bringing in an artist who is calling out the white patriarchy of the art society. They want someone who's gonna like, you know, ruffle a little feathers, but not be too, you know, radical, and so it's creating this industry that is perpetually keeping people in their place and keeping the dialogue moving along, and I think, like, some institutions are getting a little bit better, but it is a huge problem in the arts, and a lot of times people are like, "Oh, but the arts are... You know there's so many black actors that are very famous," and there's'--Ben 37:19What does that even mean? Lexi 37:21Exactly. Like, it's still an industry and it still has a lot of problems, and I think we're just scratching the surface on the whole like #MeToo" Harvey Weinstein thing, and even the fact that, like, #MeToo was appropriated from a black woman who had been talking about it for years, and all it took was, like, a couple white actresses to be like, "Yeah, I've had similar experiences," and pfff, it blows up. Ben 37:44Yeah. What was that shitty joke, where, like, the white dude is like, "Oh, if I was in charge of equality, you know, we wouldn't need feminism anymore," or something. Or like, "If I was in charge of feminism, we'd all have equality by now," something like that.Lexi 38:03That's a great joke.Ben 38:04The idea is that the joke is in the idea of this guy saying that he could fix a problem that he is the creator of, or part of the system. [Lexi laughs] There's the joke. You're supposed to laugh at the premise of the guy.Lexi 38:17It's so sad, though. Like, "Yeah. There it is."Ben 38:21[Lexi laughs] Speaking of sociopathic white males, let's hit Ferris Bueller. [along with dancehall airhorn] B-B-B-Bueller. Lexi 38:28[along with Yello's song, "Oh Yeah"] Oh, yeah. Bom-bom. Chik-a-chik-a!Ben 38:31I mean... [along with Yello's song, "Oh Yeah"] Oh yeah. Bom-bom. So that basically--Lexi 38:36[along with Yello's song, "Oh Yeah"] Bom. Oh.Ben 38:38That's enough right there. Really, like Ferris Bueller is a sociopath. He manipulates everyone. He can't empathize with other people's feelings. He manipulates his friends into doing things because he thinks it's for their own good. Like, he gets to decide what's best for Cameron. He gets to decide how Cameron deals with his emotionally-abusive parents or like, "Oh, steal the car." Eugh, but, like, Ferris Bueller is just a smug piece of shit, and, you know, Matthew Broderick, I like you enough, but you're much better in Godzilla 2000. [Yello song "Oh Yeah" continues]Lexi 39:06I think the real hero of that movie is Jennifer Grey's character, Jeanie Bueller. Jeanie is the true-- 'cause she's the only one that sees him other than Ed Rooney, Jeffrey Jones. She's the only one that sees him for his bullshit, but she sees it, more or less, like a sister just wanting to rub her brother's face and like, "You're not all that. How about that, kid?" Like, it's more she just wants to prove him wrong, not ruin his life, like Ed Rooney, but she's trying so hard the entire movie to get people to, like, see through his bullshit, and I always felt really bad for her because I was like, "Yeah, he shouldn't be doing all those things." [Yello song "Oh Yeah" continues]Ben 39:49Yeah, he's a terrible character. Yeah, that movie. You know, you've got Ben Stein in there as well, and he hasn't held out well. He's aged poorly, as far as he--Lexi 39:51Has he?Ben 39:52His movies are pretty, pretty shitty. He's a pretty smug asshole most of the time and very-- [Lexi sighs]Lexi 40:11Well, I mean, same with Jeffrey Jones, hey? [Yello song "Oh Yeah" continues]Ben 40:14Oh yes, I know what happened to him. We don't need to discuss that. That's just such a--Lexi 40:17 Yeah, that's--Ben 40:18A disgusting human being, so we're better off--Lexi 40:20There's a couple, like, Charlie Sheen, like that's--Ben 40:23Who, Charlie Sheen was in that?Lexi 40:25Yeah, he's the creepy dude that's hitting on Jeanie in the police station when he's like, "Why do you care so much about what your brother does?"Ben 40:32Oh man, now I remember that.Lexi 40:33He's the one that kind of like helps her, right?Ben 40:35Yeah, yeah. [Yello song "Oh Yeah" continues]Lexi 40:40Controversy comes from us all, Ben.Ben 40:41"Just be more like Charlie Sheen," is a thing that nobody should say. [laughs]Lexi 40:44No. Be more like Jennifer Grey is what I think.Ben 40:49Like, the actor or the character?Lexi 40:53Eh, the character in this one.Ben 40:53I don't know anything about the actor.Lexi 40:56Neither do I. I hope that she's not... I hope that no one is, like, actually.Ben 41:01Do we have anything that can bring us back? Like, we need some redeemable teen movies. I had a little bit of being like Footloose could be fun still. Are there ones we can watch? I've got one more that I sort of like.Lexi 41:11Oh, I've got one I love. Ben 41:12I'll do mine. You're more passionate. I'll do mine first. It's called... [laughing] Oh, god now I'm blanking on the name. Lexi 41:20Uh-oh. [laughs]Ben 41:21It's with Christian Slater, and he is a, like, pirate radio host. Pump Up the Volume. Lexi 41:28Okay.Ben 41:28So, there's some stuff that doesn't do it for me, which is sort of that, like, white suburban kid ennui that you see in, like, the '90s. It's technically a 1990 movie, but it was produced... That's when it was released, so it was produced in the '80s. So it's got a lot of that, sort of like, white teen ennui that we see in the '90s a lot with, like, the navel gazing and, like, "Let's just, you know, not worry about anything except our white privilege problems." So there's a little bit of that, but there's also a lot of like, sort of challenging the way that kids' problems are sort of downplayed by adults, or like, they're tried to be brushed aside when, like, you know, kids are actually suffering with problems. One of the things is a student kills himself and, like, that's sort of an impetus for the main characters to sort of go on and speak out about what's happening and tell the other students not to be quiet and to, like, live their, like... "Talk hard," is his line in the movie. Talk hard and, like, say the things that are a problem for you, and not hold them back, so I feel like I could rewatch that one again. I feel like it probably is watchable. He gets arrested at the end for his pirate radio, which is just such a great idea, a pirate radio, broadcasting illegally on the FM channel. Fuck, can you do that? I wanna broadcast illegally on an FM channel.Lexi 42:52I think it is something that's elite. Like, you have to be allowed to do it.Ben 42:56Yeah, I mean, I just don't even know anybody who'd be interested. Why do that when you can make a podcast? [both laugh] Yeah, I guess, you know, somebody would still have to tune to your pirate radio frequency, so... [chuckles]Lexi 43:11They'd find you.Ben 43:12Yeah. So the villain of the movie or whatever, is like the FCC comes to find Christian Slater's character and shut down his pirate radio.Lexi 43:21The FCC won't let him be.Ben 43:23Yeah, the FCC won't let him be. [laughs] Lexi 43:26Thank you. Thank you for that.Ben 43:27You're welcome. Thank you. I don't know what you're thinking me. You did it. That's great.Lexi 43:31I always like a good laugh, Ben. You know? Ben 43:33Yeah. I think yeah, give Pump Up the Volume a watch if you haven't. I haven't watched it in a while. I should re-watch it, but let us know if I'm wrong about that, and if it's a total trash fire, as well.Lexi 43:44I'm going to end this with a bang, Ben, because I'm gonna explain to you the greatest coming-of-age movie of the John Hughes-era is Uncle Buck.Ben 43:48Okay, so here's my thing with Uncle Buck. Is it a teen movie, though? Lexi 43:58Yes.Ben 43:59You think?Lexi 44:00I think so. I watched it all-- I watched it with my mom, and then I watched it with my friends when I was, like, 15, and I've watched it many times since because, I don't know. It was about, like, to me, it was about connecting with an adult in your life.Ben 44:16That's interesting. I appreciate that take. I guess I just find, like, the centering of John Candy as the main role in that, sort of, takes it away from being a teen movie for me.Lexi 44:24But that's why I think it's key because teenagers are so stuck in their own bubble, that it's hard to see your angst when you're living in it, and I think that was the reason my mom made me watch it.Ben 44:35Oh, interesting. So you were saying, like, the point-of-view character being the adult but having the show and the content geared at a teen gives you some outside of your own situation-ness, some self-awareness.Lexi 44:47Yeah.Lexi 44:48'Cause, see, like his... Oh, gosh, the... bup, bup, bup... Tia, so Tia is 15 and she's the oldest of the three kids and she's like, if you've never seen the movie, she's a cow. Like, the entire movie, she's just being an asshole for no purpose.Ben 44:48Interesting.Ben 45:06No, I've seen it a number of times.Lexi 45:09I watch it every Christmas. That is my Home Alone. Ben 45:11It's been a while, though.Lexi 45:13And it's just because she's so brutal, and then John Candy's character comes in and, you know, she's got a couple of lines that she says that are just horrible, so, so mean and callous, and then, she treats her family like garbage. She winds up shacking up with a dude who's trying to take advantage of her, and I think that this is really key, and a lot of people should watch it that if you are a 15, 16, 17 year old, and you are dating someone who is older than you, it is not an equal relationship. I'm sorry. It just isn't. And that's something that, like, when I was a teenager, I was like, "I can take care of myself," and so many times, like, yeah, to a point and then you pass a line, and then it gets real tricky, and what I like about that is, even though she treated people poorly, like, John Candy came to her rescue and supported her, and helped her to take her power back from this douchebag who tried to hurt her.Ben 46:12Right. So, in a typical John Hughes movie, we'd see her get a come-uppance of some sort of degradation or sexual assault as, sort of, the character arc. Like, "Oh, that'll teach you to be a b-word, though. You got what was coming to you. Haha." But that doesn't happen in this film. Interesting.Lexi 46:29Well, it kinda... Like, it almost does. Like, her boyfriend tries to pressure her into having sex. She's not ready so she leaves the party, and he does, like, make fun of her, and then, John Candy comes and finds her walking away from the party and, you know, she's embarrassed and whatever, and then he basically kidnaps the boyfriend in the back of the car, and then they hit golf balls at him to really, like... [laughs]Ben 46:53Sounds good to me. I'm fine with that.Lexi 46:56I don't know. Like, it's still you're right. Like, she's still like, there's that, like, "Haha, you were almost, like, you know, taken advantage of."Ben 47:02"That will show you."Lexi 47:02"That's what you get for being a little bag," but I just feel like, of those movies, this is probably the one that has, like, aged the best because even John Candy's character is so flawed. Ben 47:15Yeah, yeah.Lexi 47:16And it shows, like, all these redeeming qualities about him.Ben 47:18Yeah. I mean, that sounds like a good synopsis to me. I'd rewatch that. I'll give it a shot. And you all should give that a shot too, see what you think, see if there's some aspects of that film that we forgot that maybe cause it to bump off a little bit, although it sounds like Lexi watches it pretty regularly, so she knows what's up.Lexi 47:38I'm gonna be really sad if someone out there is like, "But, did you forget about the scene?" Because probably.Ben 47:43Maybe, but you know, that's just an opportunity. Yeah, this is an opportunity to appreciate what happened there, and, you know, that doesn't mean you have to stop watching Uncle Buck. It just means we have to somehow create a 15-minute episode addendum to this that people are forced to listen to that, "Okay, so there's this part in the movie and we have to talk about it where things go blah blah, blah." Yeah, I have to imagine that we'll end up doing a lot of retraction or correction episodes. Maybe that should be just a fun off-week thing we do. We do, you know, corrections and just 15-minute episodes every other week when we're not on our regular schedule. "So here's some shit we got wrong last week," and we just list it.Lexi 48:27Yeah. Just, "Sorry about this. Sorry about the following things."Ben 48:30"Said this. Didn't mean to."Lexi 48:32Ben, we haven't done Who's That Pokémon? yet.Ben 48:35Oh, fuck. Let's do Who's That Pokémon? here. I think we've got another little ways to go. We should do a wrap up, but let's do a Who's That Pokémon? Is it your turn again to come up with the Pokémon?Lexi 48:46Well, I've done many. I'm happy to keep explaining wet bags of sand to you, but do you wanna take a crack at Who's That Pokémon?Ben 48:52I didn't come up with one, so it'll be on the fly. Yeah.Lexi 48:54Oh, do it.Ben 48:54I'll do it unless you have one prepared. Lexi 48:56No, no, no. Ben 48:57Okay. Okay, [along with "Who's That Pokémon" theme music] Who's that Pokémon? and I will describe now the Pokémon with which you need to guess. Lexi 49:06Excellent. Ben 49:07It's sort of like a pitcher.Lexi 49:09Okay.Ben 49:11Imagine an upside-down... No, right-way-up, like a pitcher as in, like, a vase. Not a--Lexi 49:18Okay, like, like a pitcher of lemonade. Ben 49:20Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then there's, like, some sort of leaves coming off, leaf-shaped protrusions, one on each side of this pitcher.Lexi 49:30Oh, my god.Ben 49:30And then there's also some sort of circular balls atop the pitcher.Lexi 49:35Are you explaining an actual Pokémon to me or is this like a...?Ben 49:38Yeah, yeah.Lexi 49:39It's an actual Pokémon! Oh, I thought we were being cheeky here and--Ben 49:43No. It's time for us to break out our--Lexi 49:45Anthony Michael Hall. [Ben laughs]Ben 49:47Oh shit. That's not bad. Lexi 49:48Oh, I gotta remember.Ben 49:49I'll change it. It's no longer Victreebel. It's Anthony Michael Hall. You got it. [Lexi laughs] [along with "Who's That Pokémon" theme music] Who's that Pokémon? [Lexi laughs]Lexi 49:59It's Anthony Michael Hall. Ben 50:00I'm gonna Google you a picture. [scratching record, DJ-style]Lexi 50:03Oh, Victreebel. Ben 50:04Yes. It was a real Pokémon.Lexi 50:05Damn it.Ben 50:06I think if I ever do them, they'll probably be real Pokémon.Lexi 50:09We still have to do a Pokémon episode.Ben 50:11It'd be interesting to talk to Mr. Hall and ask him how he feels about his part in the rise of incels.Lexi 50:18I'm sure he probably doesn't see it that way. [laughs]Ben 50:21I don't think many people do, as a child actor. I'm sure there's a lot more going on. I am being glib for the sake of humor.Lexi 50:27Hey, Ben, he had a redeeming role in Edward Scissorhands, where he dies.Ben 50:31He had a lot of good TV roles.Lexi 50:34Yeah, he has. He's had a very big career.Ben 50:37Mm-hmm. This is now the Anthony Michael Hall podcast, where we just talk about--Lexi 50:42Dissect him.Ben 50:43--the different works of Anthony Mic-- Michael Hall. I can't say his name anymore. It's lost all meaning.Lexi 50:50AMH.Ben 50:51AMH. He's been active as an actor since 1977. Is that something you knew? Lexi 50:56Wow. No, That's, that's...Ben 50:58He's 53 years old. He was born in 1968, April 14th, in West Roxbury, Massachusetts. Can we stop and talk about Massachusetts for a second? And how difficult a fucking place that is to say?Lexi 51:10Yes. I have such a hard time with it, I'd rather just be like, "That place," or write it down and point to it because I feel like I can't say it appropriately.Ben 51:17Yeah, and I'm not gonna make fun of the name 'cause I don't know its origins, etymology or anything, and I don't want to step on something, but, like, just saying, "Mass-a-chu-setts", like I've always said, "Massachusiss", or whatever, as a kid. I've always said it wrong, and then I was in New York, and I said, "Massachusiss", and somebody said, "What the fuck is wrong with you?"Lexi 51:35"Mass-a-chu--"Ben 51:35"Mass-a-chu-setts". Lexi 51:37"Mass-a-chu-setts". Ben 51:38Okay, yeah. It sounds wrong. Just say it-- okay, everybody at home listening, say "Mass-a-chu-setts" about five times, maybe 10 times in a row, and see if you still like yourself.Lexi 51:49That's a tough homework assignment. [chuckles]Ben 51:52Yeah, enjoy. What else do we need to know about M-- Michael Anthony Hall? That's it. I'm good. Let's move on. [along with "Who's That Pokémon" theme music] Who's that Pokémon? We're back. We're back into the regular show, no longer the--Lexi 52:07AMH.Ben 52:08Anthony Michael Hall hour, the AMH hour. Is there anything else we should hit here on the way out? Lexi 52:15I mean--Ben 52:15Like, he produced or something Beethoven, so that's interesting.Lexi 52:18He also did Home Alone, which is a beloved movie.Ben 52:22Produced, yeah. He didn't--Lexi 52:23Oh, I thought... Okay.Ben 52:24But still.Lexi 52:25That's good to know.Ben 52:25He produced Miracle on 34th Street, which, you know, I've always enjoyed.Lexi 52:29He did Mall Rats, which again, like, is a very big movie [Ben groans] that I think a lot of people are like, "That's a cultural icon," but, like, it's also a very, like...Ben 52:39It is. Yeah, it's not a good flick. It does not hold up, and it is one of those ones that, like, yeah, as a rite of passage as a 14 year old, at least around our neck of the woods, you definitely watched, and thought was the greatest thing that ever happened. "Oh, shit pretzels." [Lexi groans] "Ha, ha, ha, ha. In the back of a Volkswagen." Lexi 52:59It's just...Ben 53:00Yeah.Lexi 53:00I feel like it's a really weird mix of, like, heartwarming children's movies and then, like, really problematic teen raunchy comedies.Ben 53:10Yeah.Lexi 53:10Like, well, it's an interesting mix you got there, pal. Ben 53:13Yeah. It's a wild time at Ridgemont High, which is movie I would have-- we should have talked about, but we didn't get to. That's fine, and I don't really remember enough about it except one of the Penn is in it. I think it's Sean Penn who was problematic, as well.Lexi 53:28Yeah. It's Sean Penn. Yeah.Ben 53:30Yeah, yeah.Lexi 53:31Oof. There's... We could... There's a lot of other very problematic teen movies. I mean, like, we've got the whole '90s to stare down. Ben 53:40Yeah.Lexi 53:41She's All That.Ben 53:42I mean, you know, those are movies that I definitely... Can't Hardly Wait. Lexi 53:46[groaning] Oh, I used to love that movie. Ben 53:50Of course you did. We all thought it was great. Lexi 53:51And I watched it recently. Oh, god.Ben 53:54No, I know. There's not a single aspect of that movie that I think holds up.Lexi 53:58Oh, you mean Seth Green's character isn't a redeeming figure throughout history?Ben 54:03It is an absolute travesty that that was allowed to become a thing. Lexi 54:08[whispers] Oh, my gosh.Ben 54:09That... yeah. The racism in that character alone in that, like, sort of characterization that we saw a lot of in the '90s and early 2000s is just wild. Lexi 54:19[softly] I know.Ben 54:19Just wild that that stuff had no critical second thought. Like, I know, we talk about, like, history and culture as these eras, and, like, we didn't have this sort of cultural awareness of these things at the time and, like, it's true, but also like, "So fucking what?" Like, that doesn't--Lexi 54:36Doesn't make it okay.Ben 54:37I just can't see that as an excuse. Yeah. Can't see it as an excuse.Lexi 54:43"Can't Hardly Use it As An Excuse?Ben 54:45[laughs] Yeah, Can't Hardly Wait to use it as an excuse. Like, I just can't use that as a way to be like, "Ah, I can still watch this film and not think of it critically," which I guess nobody's really asking anyone to do. Lexi 54:55But then it, like--Ben 54:56Problematic media is a whole other topic.Lexi 54:58It is, because it does beg the question of, "Do we look at the art versus the artist?" because then, like, we're leading into that era, and even, like, there's a little controversy this week with the old Margaret Atwood and her comments. Ben 55:11Oh, God. Lexi 55:13And I'm not gonna say that "I told you so, world," but I did say that Margaret Atwood isn't a great... I mean...Ben 55:20Well, I mean, she started to swing problematic for a while now. But like, this is also the advent of, sort of like, internet as well, is like, we did not have the information earlier on to know her thoughts on subjects that, you know, were outside of what she'd write about in her books, and maybe more intelligent people than myself picked up more of, like, her problems. I read her books, the ones that I enjoyed, which were like the MaddAddam trilogy, when I was in my early 20s. I don't consider that I was even like a proper adult human with critical thought until I was 25, so like, I still miss stuff all the time, and yeah, that's interesting. Margaret Atwood though. Way to hold my beer, JK Rowling. Jesus.Lexi 56:03Yeah, I did make a couple jokes of like, "Oh, she's really J.K.-ing herself this week." Like, just, if anyone has ever... Like, here's my piece of advice. Just stop. Just don't. Just don't. Like, and, a lot of times, don't weigh in. This is not a place for, "Oh, you know what I think about this?" Nothing. You think nothing about it. Shut up.Ben 56:23Oh, no, trust me that's a lesson I learned as a white dude on the internet that's like, more or less cishet, like, you know, maybe I don't need to offer an opinion on this. There's gonna be a lot of other takes, and I could probably do the most for myself by just reading how this goes out, and if I have questions about things, do some fucking Googling and try to understand these points that I'm having trouble with, and...Lexi 56:48Well, this has been a depressing and sad episode about our failed teenage years of just disappointing racism and sexism. [laughs]Ben 56:58Yeah. Well, you know, and again, this goes back to my really good analogy about, like, conveyor belts and machines or whatever. Like, we haven't fixed the problems with the blueprints and the machinery that's making this shit, so why would we expect it to be different? A different outcome just because, now we're aware that, you know, the shit shouldn't be happening, but apparently, we haven't taken the right action yet to correct where that's coming from, and so that stuff still comes.Lexi 57:29Well, maybe in another couple of decades we'll look at it a little closer. Ben 57:33We'll see. We'll see.Lexi 57:34The rom coms of the future are gonna be more uplifting and diverse and positive.Ben 57:38Okay, well, rom coms are a whole 'nother thing we need to get into 'cause Nora Ephron.Lexi 57:42Teenage.Ben 57:44Nora Ephron, I'm coming for you.Lexi 57:46I don't even wanna talk about rom coms because I don't think that I could say anything other than, "Bleuch."Ben 57:51We broached the subject. I mean, we kind of came into the teen movies thing with the intention of having some positivity to balance it out, [Lexi laughs] but it's hard when you have about 15 to 20 years, dominated by one figure, who has a way of looking at the world that's pretty shitty, and made all the, like, pop culture in that time.Lexi 58:10This is why you need a diverse group of people making content so that you have a wider array of things to look at to form your identity, because, when you're growing up, and the only teen flicks that are out the
On this week's episode… a big fan of the show loves when we say “Wha Happened” and another fan does not. Will we stop saying it? Find out! Plus… who was your favorite James Bond? We inaccurately discuss our favorite 007 flicks and other moves like Elf, Uncut Gems, Edward Scissorhands and The Godfather. Mike finally gets uncomfortable talking about a certain Pixar movie and shuts down the conversation completely. All this plus inappropriate Uncles who dress as Santa while drinking and smoking. And is it safe to give your kids firecrackers at Christmas? Oh… and most importantly... everything you need to know about straws! We're not kidding… you don't want to miss this episode!Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/irritabledadsyndrome)
Zach, Brian, and Arthur watch the last Christmas movie of the season Tim Burton's classic "Edward Scissorhands". Johnny Depp and Winona Ryder lead the way in the ultimate Tim Burton/Danny Elfman film. Add in some Vincent Price flashbacks and you have an all time classic.
It's the final episode of 2021 for Movies that Make Us and we're discussing some of our favorite unconventional Christmas films. We all love National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, A Charlie Brown Christmas, Elf, etc. but we wanted to offer you some movies that you may want to mix into your Christmas movie marathon this year.Jake selected Batman Returns and Edward Scissorhands that were directed by Tim Burton. He also selected the Lord of the Rings trilogy because the movies were all released over the holidays and it watching them hits a little harder at Christmas. Tracy went with the Dan Akroyd and Eddie Murphy film Trading Places, the VERY black comedy The Ref with Kevin Spacey, Dennis Leary, and Judy Davis, and a Christmas musical film centered around high school students trying to survive zombies in Anna and the Apocalypse. Val selected the latest version of Little Women, The Family Man starring Nicholas Cage, and Children of Men starring Clive Owen.What are your thoughts on these films? We would love to hear your unconventional holiday films.Did you miss the video premier of this episode? Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel, and then click the little bell to receive notifications when we add a new video or go live.You can also follow our Facebook page so you can receive notifications for new audio or video of our episodes. Sometimes we are even live on Facebook, so you can give us feedback right then and there. It's pretty sweet.As always, thank you for listening, and for now, we won't see you at the movies… See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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The Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Producer of the show Agent Lauren, Agent Michelle, and Director SP invite Consultant Chris to the show to be a full time Agents. Then they discuss the Disney+ Hawkeye penultimate episode “Ronin.” The Team debriefs you on National Hard Candy Day, super powered reindeer, the EPIC Kingpin MCU-Netflix Defenders crossover, Yelena's blip moment, the impact of the Marvel Cinematic universe and Disney+ cross-overs, the episode's triple reveals for Maya, Yelena, and Kate, the girls night with hot sauced macaroni and cheese, what is Kazi's potential relationship with Kingpin, who is playing who with Jack's arrest, SP's Hallmark Holiday movie standards checklist, Grills' and Clint's growing relationship, Hawkeye finale predictions involving Laura Bishop, and the Agents dish on their thoughts about Fanny meeting Lucky The Pizza Dog. The Agents also discuss the top Marvel news stories of the week including Tom Holland, Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal weighing in on Spider-Man's Future in the MCU, Disney+ UK gives their answer to whether Iron Man 3 is a Christmas Movie, and Bert & Bertie dish on that epic episode 4 car chase scene. Stay tuned after the credits for a few minutes of Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. bonus audio. THIS TIME ON LEGENDS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.: Hawkeye S1E5 “Ronin” Weekly Marvel News Tom Holland, Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal weigh in on Spider-Man's Future in the MCU Disney+ UK gives their answer to whether Iron Man 3 is a Christmas Movie Bert & Bertie dish on that epic episode 4 car chase scene HAWKEYE “RONIN” [5:15 ] Hawkeye “Ronin” premiered on Disney+ on Wednesday December 15th, 2021. S1E5 “Ronin” Directed By: Bert & Bertie Bert: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2134432/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1 8 directing credits starting in 2006 Bertie: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1232262/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr2 8 directing credits starting in 2006 Writers: Jenna Noel Frazier https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4766691/?ref_=tt_cl_wr_1#writer 2 writing credits since 2018 8 x The Romanoffs 1 x Hawkeye Writer: Jonathan Igla https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4131127/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr1 7 writing credits starting in 2015 33 x Mad Men 1 x Masters of Sex 6 x Hawkeye Showrunner: Jonathan Igla Hawkeye Main Cast Jeremy Renner ... Clint Barton / Hawkeye 28 Weeks Later The Hurt Locker Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol The Bourne Legacy Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation Arrival Mayor of Kingstown (TV Series) Hailee Steinfeld ... Kate Bishop Pitch Perfect 2 Pitch Perfect 3 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse Charlie's Angels (2019) Arcane (TV Series) Dickinson (TV Series) Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 2 (filming) Vera Farmiga ... Eleanor Bishop The Manchurian Candidate Source Code Bates Motel (TV Series) Godzilla: King of the Monsters Tony Dalton ... Jack Duquesne Sense8 (TV Series) Better Call Saul (TV Series) Alaqua Cox ... Maya Lopez First IMDB credit … seriously. first credit Fra Fee ... Kazi Cinderella (2021) Vincent D'Onofrio ... Kingpin Aleks Paunovic ... Ivan Boxing Stuntman on Battlestar Galactica 5 x Battlestar Galactica (TV Series) 1 episode roles: Flash Gordon: A Modern Space Opera (TV Series) Bionic Woman (TV Series) Stargate: Atlantis (TV Series) Sanctuary (TV Series) Human Target (TV Series) Caprica (TV Series) Smallville (TV Series) - 2 episodes Once Upon a Time (TV Series) Psych (TV Series) - 3 episodes The 100 (TV Series) - 4 episodes Arrow (TV Series) - 2 episodes Riverworld (TV Movie) Mortal Kombat: Legacy (TV Series short) 6 x Continuum (TV Series) Kindergarten Cop 2 War for the Planet of the Apes 9 x Snowpiercer (TV Series) Piotr Adamczyk ... Tomas Popular Polish actor with 87 credits starting in 1996 Will also be in season 3 of the Apple TV+ hit For All Mankind Linda Cardellini ... Laura Barton Boy Meets World (TV Series) in 1998/1999 Freaks and Geeks (TV Series) in 1999/2000 Legally Blonde Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed Brokeback Mountain 126 x ER (TV Series) 1 x Person of Interest (TV Series) 9 x Mad Men (TV Series) Gravity Falls (TV Series) 5 x Robot Chicken (TV Series short) Ava Russo ... Lila Barton Only acting credit is Lila in Avengers Endgame/Hawkeye Ben Sakamoto ... Cooper Barton Only acting credits as Cooper in Age Of Ultron/Endgame/Hawkeye Cade Woodward ... Nathaniel Barton A Quiet Place Avengers: Endgame/Hawkeye Simon Callow … Armand III Amadeus 1 x Scarecrow and Mrs. King (TV Series) Four Weddings and a Funeral 2 x Doctor Who (TV Series)' 5 x Outlander (TV Series)' 8 x The Witcher (TV Series) Clayton English ... Grills 1 x Brooklyn Nine-Nine (TV Series) Carlos Navarro ... Enrique 1 x Prison Break (TV Series) 1 x Charlie's Angels (TV Series) 2011 9 x The Walking Dead (TV Series) Ivan Mbakop ... Detective Caudle Nothing SP is familiar with Tinashe Kajese ... Dee The Suicide Squad Adetinpo Thomas ... Wendy 8 x Black Lightning (TV Series) Robert Walker Branchaud ... Orville (as Robert Walker-Branchaud) American Horror Story (TV Series) 4 x Stranger Things (TV Series) Deepwater Horizon 2 x The Walking Dead (TV Series) 2 x Black Lightning (TV Series) Adelle Drahos ... Missy 2 x MacGyver (TV Series) Ashley Ames ... Eleanor's Assistant Nothing SP is familiar with Monisha Shiva ... Mother Nothing SP is familiar with Rhys Bhatia ... Child Nothing SP is familiar with Candy McLellan ... Samurai Nothing SP is familiar with Jolt the Golden Retriever… Lucky the Pizza Dog Zahn McClarnon ... William Lopez 9 x Fargo 29 x Longmire 6 x Westworld 4 x Reservation Dogs Franco Castan ... Rivera Yssa Mei Panganiban ... Sonya Annie Hamilton ... Ana Michael Silberblatt ... Man with Ana Gabriella Lahoz Thomas ... 4 year Old with Ana Keon Rahzeem Mitchell ... Uber Driver NEWS [41:44] UPCOMING MARVEL SLATE OF PROJECTS Eternals premiered domestically in the theaters on November 5th, 2021. Eternals is scheduled to release on Disney+ on Wednesday January 12th, 2022 Hawkeye is scheduled to premiere on November 24th, 2021. There will be 6 episodes The first release date will have two episodes. Spider-Man: No Way Home is premiered on December 17th, 2021. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (May 6, 2022) Ms Marvel is supposed to premiere late in 2021 on Disney+ but no date has been announced. The series was confirmed on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 2021 (Summer 2022) Series synopsis: https://www.cbr.com/ms-marvel-captain-marvel-shadow-synopsis/ Ms. Marvel introduces Kamala Khan--a 16-year-old Pakistani American from Jersey City. An aspiring artist, an avid gamer and a voracious fan-fiction scribe, she is a huge fan of the Avengers—and one in particular, Captain Marvel. But Kamala has always struggled to find her place in the world—that is, until she gets super powers like the heroes she's always looked up to Thor: Love and Thunder (July 8, 2022) Moon Knight is supposed to premiere late in 2022 on Disney+ 2022 Confirmed During Disney+ Day 12 Nov 2021 Series Synopsis Released: https://www.cbr.com/moon-knight-marvel-synopsis-multiple-personalities/ Spider-Man Across The Spider-Verse Part One (Oct 7, 2022) Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (Nov. 11, 2022) https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/news/black-panther-riri-williams-ironheart-mcu-debut-dominique-thorne/ She-Hulk is supposed to premiere late in 2022 on Disney+ It was confirmed the series was coming in 2022 on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 2021. Secret Invasion is in development for release on Disney+ No date has been announced. Series confirmed during Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 Ironheart is in development for release on Disney+ No date has been announced. Series confirmed on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 Armor Wars is in development for release on Disney+ but no date has been announced. Echo is in development for release on Disney+ Confirmed on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 but no release/premiere date given Agatha: House of Harkness Announced/Confirmed on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 2021 An untitled Wakanda series is in development for release on Disney+ but no date has been announced. X-Men ‘97 (2023) Written by Executive Producer Beau DeMayo. Announced Disney+ Day (12 Nov 2021) The Marvels (Feb. 17, 2023) Marvel Zombies Animated series announced on Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 No date given Also, we know there will be a Loki season two at some point. What If…? Season 2 Confirmed during Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 No premiere date indicated Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (July 28, 2023) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (May 5th, 2023) Fantastic Four (???) I Am Groot is in development for release on Disney+ No date has been announced. Previous mentioned as a holiday special Series confirmed during Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 as a series of shorts watching Groot grow up Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special Confirmed during Disney+ Day 12 Nov 21 Different from I Am Groot Spider-Man: Freshman Year Announced during Disney+ Day 12 Nov 2021 No premiere date given Untitled (February 16th, 2024) Untitled (May 3rd, 2024) Untitled (July 26th, 2024) Untitled (November 8th, 2024) List of MCU films in production without premiere dates Fantastic Four Deadpool 3 Blade Avengers-Level Team up to end the phase (not confirmed in development) Could be linked to Russo Brothers story from last week Captain America Sequel Possible X-Men Projects that have NOT been announced yet Young Avengers MCU – MARVEL STUDIOS Destin Daniel Cretton on the Success of ‘Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings' and Where He's At With the Sequel https://collider.com/shang-chi-2-comments-director-destin-daniel-cretton/ He also talks about his multi-year deal with Marvel TV and his love of Blu-ray/DVD extras. With a highly successful theatrical run, its availability to stream on Disney+ and its release on 4K Ultra HD, Blu-Ray and DVD, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings has also been confirmed to be continuing its story with a sequel, at some point in the future. Through its superhero origin story of a parking valet named Shaun (Simu Liu), who was hiding out in San Francisco with his best friend Katy (Awkwafina) until his past catches up with him and he must embrace his power as Shang-Chi, director Destin Daniel Cretton and Marvel Studios introduced audiences to a new aspect of the MCU and a new group of characters that clearly has endless possibilities. During this 1-on-1 interview with Collider, Cretton talked about how proud he is of what the entire creative team was able to do with Shang-Chi, how terrified he was on the first day of shooting, starting to work on ideas for the sequel and being at the point where everything is a possibility, how excited he is to dig deeper into this world, creating a TV series with Marvel that came from an idea he had while shooting the film, how he views success, and his love of Blu-ray/DVD extras. Collider: When you first met with Marvel about Shang-Chi, you weren't initially thinking you'd direct it, but here we are. And even after you actually signed on as the director, the film took a journey before coming out, having been planned so far in advance, and then shooting it, and then getting delayed by COVID. What's it like to have it out in the world, to see how people have reacted, to feel the love for it, and to even see people dress up like some of the characters? DESTIN DANIEL CRETTON: It's a huge relief. There were so many landmines with this movie, early on. Even within the Asian community, there were so many people who were like, “Why are you doing this movie?” We really saw the potential to create something, a character, that would be not only beneficial to the Asian American community, but something that I think I could be proud of and would be a character that I wish I had when I was a kid growing up. I do feel very proud of our team for being sensitive and being open and listening to the voices of people from different cultures on our production to create something that I think anybody can relate to and that people outside of our culture can learn some things, but also can see these characters as people that they can identify with. So, I feel very, very proud of the team for making this movie. What do you remember about your first day of shooting? CRETTON: My first day of shooting, I was terrified. When I stepped onto the set, it was like I was stepping into a city of people, and there was all of this giant equipment and cranes and lights, and things that I just was not used to seeing so much of everything. And on top of that, I was directing Tony Leung, on day one, so I was really scared. But what I found, over the course of day one, was how great of a team that I really had, how supportive everyone was, and how incredible Tony Leung is, not only as a performer, but just as a person and now a friend. He's such a gracious man. All of our performers on this movie were the same. I'm always really scared when I start a project, but as we start going and as the creative juices start flowing and the team really comes together, it really is one of the most fulfilling experiences that I have in life. When you do tackle something this big and you do so successfully, does it make you feel any different as a filmmaker? Are you more confident now than you were before at all? CRETTON: Confidence is definitely not a straight line. There actually was a weird moment when, in the middle of this production, when I was making hundreds of decisions a day and things were moving so quickly and I was dealing with all of these department heads, that I turned to my wife at night and said, “It's really weird to say this, but I feel really comfortable right now, in the midst of all of this, and it's really fun.” I'm not sure if I'd call that confidence, but it was a surprise to me that I was having such a good time in the midst of the chaos, even though there were tons of giant problems to solve. I credit all of that to being surrounded by a group of really good people. How long have you known that Disney wanted a sequel for this? Was it something that was always talked about as a possibility or did it become definite, more recently? CRETTON: It's always a hopeful thing, I suppose, when you're making the movie. While we were shooting, we were throwing around joke ideas of what a sequel could be. But with Marvel, it really is gauging to see how people react to the movie and also gauging what the experience of making the movie was. We had such a good time on it that it would've been a shame not to have a sequel, so I'm very excited to. Where are you at in the writing process? Have you done any real concrete writing on it or is it just ideas that you're throwing around? CRETTON: I've done [zero]. It's a fun place to be right now. Everything is a possibility. We're just tossing very loose ideas around and we'll start to hone in on something, hopefully. Were there ideas that you started having when you did the first film that you knew you wanted to have in the sequel? CRETTON: There are a lot of ideas that we had in the opener, and some of those ideas are planted as questions, by the end of our movie. There are things that we potentially want to explore in the future. Everything changes so much, so it's hard to say how many of those ideas will actually make it to the finish line, but there are many of them there. Did you ever have a point where, after the challenges you went through making the film, you thought maybe you should let someone else do the sequel, or did you always know that you wanted to return to keep telling the story? CRETTON: I just really love this group of people, to be honest. I love these characters and we have simply introduced them to the world in our movie. So, to be able to start from there and explore them even more is very exciting to me. It was also announced that you have this multi-year deal with Marvel TV and that you'll be doing other projects. Did you pitch them on any ideas, or did they come to you? How does that work? CRETTON: It's a little of both? Kevin [Feige] and the team there definitely have a clear idea of where they're taking the MCU, but they're also open to pitches and things that we're passionate about. One of the shows that we're creating was initially an idea that I was bouncing around with our producer while we were shooting Shang-Chi and it just happened to fit in with the trajectory of where they're going with the franchise. So, it's a little back and forth. When you work with a company like Marvel, that is planning four or five years ahead, is it weird to be thinking about stuff that might not happen until that far down the road? CRETTON: It's very weird. We're talking about release dates and things, and I'm just like, “Am I gonna be alive, at that point?” It's very strange. What is it like to get to be in on the secrets, or at least some of them? Does it feel like you're a part of this special club with the cool kids, when it comes to the MCU? CRETTON: The thing that is very cool is that, when you're on the inside, and I hope this doesn't shatter anybody's fantasy, but you realize how normal everybody is. It doesn't feel like you're with the cool kids. It feels like you're just with a bunch of nerds like yourself. It's just a bunch of passionate people trying to tell stories and solve problems. It's very fun, but it doesn't feel exclusive, on the inside. It just feels creative, like anything else. When you wrapped filming on Shang-Chi, at that moment, what were your hopes for the film? We've seen what's happened with it and you know there will be a sequel now, but you couldn't have fully known that at the time. So, what were you think success for the film would look like? CRETTON: I have a very low tolerance for anxiety and hype. And so, when a movie is coming out, it's probably the worst time for me. I've had to really redefine what my version of success is. I define my success by the time that we finish the movie completely. When all of the creative is done, if I feel like I have been fulfilled by that process, personally, and if I feel like our team has worked together really well and done everything we possibly could to make the best version of this story possible, then I feel like we've succeeded. I feel like we really did do that on this movie, and everything else has been a very pleasant surprise. When you put out a Blu-ray and you include fun things, like a gag reel and deleted scenes, and obviously fans love that kind of stuff, is there anything that you personally most enjoy? Is there a moment on the gag reel or one of the scenes that you're most excited about for fans of the movie? CRETTON: I love extra features. When DVDs started having extra features, back when DVDs were first coming out, I love being able to see a bit of the behind the scenes process, to get a glimpse of the actors when they're not in performance, and to see some of that rapport between characters. I watched the deleted scenes and the gag reel and it just warms my heart because you get to see Awkwafina when she's not playing the role. You get to see her and Simu [Liu] laughing together, which is really what we experienced, every day. You get to see Michelle Yeoh being super silly and weird, and most people do not know that is a big part of her personality. And the deleted scenes are cool because they show you a glimpse into the process of the evolution of the story. It'll give you a glimpse into the things that we tried, but then went a different direction. ‘Shang-Chi' Team on Their Emotional Journey and Continuing the Story https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-simu-liu-kevin-feige-journey-sequel-1235060744/ Filmmaker Destin Daniel Cretton, star Simu Liu and Marvel boss Kevin Feige reflect on some of their most challenging — and exhilarating — moments from the groundbreaking film and weigh in on the possibility of awards season recognition. Simu Liu is normally a gregarious presence on set. So it stood out when the actor fell silent in between takes on the Australian set of Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Liu was about to shoot one of his most challenging moments, in which his titular character confesses to his best friend, Katy (Awkwafina), that he killed a man at the behest of his father, and now was prepared to end his father's life. “We knew a lot of the movie hinged on that moment,” says Liu, who marked the day on his calendar and workshopped it countless times with writer-director Destin Daniel Cretton. When the day came, Cretton got the wide shot he needed and then asked Liu to go off by himself. The filmmaker cleared the crew from a corner of the set depicting the mythical realm of Ta Lo and left his leading man to be alone with his thoughts. “Nobody bothered me during that time. Everything was very quiet,” says Liu. “When the time came, one of the ADs came up and quietly said, ‘Hey, we are ready for you.' I remember putting my head down. Not making eye contact with anyone.” Whatever Liu did during that time, worked, notes Cretton. “Whatever he was thinking about, using that silence to prep for it, the performance shift between the wide shot and the closeups were pretty dramatic,” says Cretton, who gave Liu a big hug afterward. “A scene like that, it's always such a gratifying thing to experience as a director, particularly when you are shooting on a huge action movie like this.” Three months after Shang-Chi opened in theaters, it stands as the highest-grossing domestic release of the year ($224.5 million in North America) and has both a sequel and a Disney+ series in development from Cretton. The film, Marvel's first to star an Asian lead, turned a little-known comic book character into a cultural icon and turned Liu into a star. Up next, it hopes to emerge as an awards contender. Films inspired by comic books have historically had an uphill battle at the Academy Awards, dating back to Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight (2008) being snubbed for a best picture nomination. But three years ago, Ryan Coogler's Black Panther broke ground as the first superhero movie to earn a best picture nomination and went on to win in three categories. Looking back at Black Panther‘s accolades, Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige notes that Oscar wins for composer Ludwig Göransson, costume designer Ruth E. Carter and production designers Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart meant a lot to the Marvel team. Yet he acknowledges such Academy recognition can be a challenge. “I think we are always at a deficit because of the Marvel logo and because of a genre bias that certainly exists. I just loved that for a shining moment there with Black Panther that was put aside and the work was recognized for the achievement that it was,” says Feige, who would like to see Shang-Chi recognized as well, pointing to the work of team members such as screenwriter Dave Callaham, production designer Sue Chan, composer Joel P. West, costume designer Kym Barrett and cinematographer William Pope, among others. “There are a lot of comic fans that didn't know who Shang-Chi was. And yet the work that Destin did and Dave did and Sue did and Joel did, created something new that connected with audiences,” says Feige. “We recognized it, the audience recognized it, and I sure would love the hard work of all of these people who are telling their story to get recognized.” Before Marvel hired Cretton in 2019, the director acknowledges he struggled to imagine the kind of pitch that might win him the job. Since nothing was clicking with him, he instead decided to pitch the type of story he wished he'd seen as a kid. “I didn't think it necessarily was going to be something that Marvel wanted,” says Cretton. “It was a very intimate pitch about a relationship between a father and a son and a family learning how to come together again with their pain.” As it turns out, Marvel very much was interested in that kind of story. Cretton also longed to see Asian American people hanging out, doing ordinary things in a film. He brought in imagery from Good Will Hunting because he couldn't find a representative scene that featured Asian Americans in film. “It said, ‘Like this! But with Asian people,'” Feige recalls of Cretton's presentation use of Good Will Hunting. Shang-Chi ultimately included two bookend scenes with Shang, Katy and two friends at a restaurant, fulfilling Cretton's dream. Liu, meanwhile, was best known as the star of the Canadian sitcom Kim's Convenience. Much has been made about a December 2018 tweet in which the actor put it into the universe that he wanted to play Shang-Chi, but he never really believed he'd get it. “I would literally go through IMDb and see all these other actors who were taller, who were more handsome, who I thought were better martial artists,” Liu recalls. “I was just like, ‘There's no way. Why would it be me?'” Liu sent off a tape anyway, thinking nothing would come of it. Then he met with Cretton, who was interested in casting an actor to play a human being rather than a superhero. “At no point did he bring up the martial arts. At no point did he bring up the need to be anything other than human,” recalls Liu. “He was looking for somebody who really exemplified the uncomfortable, insecure, anxiety of what it means to be a human being.” Suddenly, Liu had hope. “I came out of the casting office literally feeling like I was going to throw up because I never thought that I had a chance before that moment,” recalls Liu. “After meeting him, I was, ‘Oh, I think I nailed this thing.'” As part of their process, Liu and Cretton stripped away the trappings and mannerisms that might come with being a superhero. “I remember specifically going through scenes with him, really feeling this sense of looseness and wanting to play the most natural version of every scene, not doing the superhero version of it,” says Liu. “Not puffing your chest out.” When it came to the superhero suits worn by Liu and his onscreen sister, Xialing (Meng'er Zhang), Cretton saw them as a tangible way to connect his actors to the film's family theme, as their late on-screen mother, Ying Li (Fala Chen), gifted the suits to them. “There's a piece of her literally touching their body,” says Cretton. “That in itself gave so much to the performances of the actors, to remember that even though they are in a battle and they are having these larger-than-life Marvel moments, all of this is still watching these characters deal with the loss of this very important person in their lives.” Screen legend Tony Leung boarded to play Shang-Chi's father, Wenwu, and proved to be a grounding force for Liu, who was learning how to be a movie star on the fly. “I was so desperate and eager to prove myself, showing people I could do things,” says Liu. “There is such a stillness and a comfort and ease with the way Tony conducts himself. I felt like that was the perfect complement to all of the anxiety that I was bringing in.” Liu counts Shang-Chi's final scene with Wenwu as his favorite moment, even over the much-praised bus fight early in the film. As Wenwu's final act, he sacrifices himself for his son. Part of the sequence includes flashbacks to Shang as a boy and then a baby. “We literally cut to that baby three times over the course of the movie, and every time it's an emotional hit in a wonderful way,” says Feige, who says the team debated how much of the storytelling should be told in flashbacks. Cretton notes the flashbacks weren't initially part of the plan in that scene at all. “We weren't totally getting into Wenwu's head like we wanted to,” recalls Cretton. “The idea of those flashbacks came late in the game. When we put it in and showed it to Kevin and the team and did a test with it — finally people were feeling the emotions that we wanted them to feel.” During awards season two years ago, Parasite Oscar winner Bong Joon Ho famously encouraged audiences to get over a fear of subtitles, referring to the new worlds international films could offer. In a new move for a big-budget American movie, Shang-Chi includes subtitled sections in Mandarin, including an eight-minute opening. When it came time to test screen the film, the team was curious how audiences would react to the opening, in particular. “Frankly, we were always ready to see if the audience would reject it in our test screenings and to see, ‘OK, are we going to have to pull a ripcord here in any way?' Which was not our first instinct,” says Feige. “Destin very much believed in the fact that audiences would go with it, and sure enough they did. It wasn't even a question. It wasn't even a concern. On the contrary, I think it added to the authenticity in the way the movie started.” On Dec. 6, Disney announced that Cretton would return to direct a Shang-Chi sequel and develop a related series for Disney+. The post-credits scene for the film teases more to come from the Ten Rings, the organization now run by Xialing. When presented with the notion that Xialing's Ten Rings sounds like an intriguing Disney+ show, Feige responds with a laugh, “I can't wait for people to discover what it really is that we are working on for Disney+ with Destin.” Though it's never a foregone conclusion a filmmaker will return to Marvel, Cretton had a sense while making Shang-Chi there was more work for him to do. Says the filmmaker: “While we were on set, we were already throwing ideas around of what other things we could do in another movie.” Liu, who has a long journey ahead of him as Shang-Chi, was not surprised his filmmaker is back for more. “It confirms what I already believed, which was that he was very emotionally invested in this character and this world,” says Liu, who hopes many people from the team will return for the sequel. “Also, I was very relieved, because we need him.” For Cretton, who came up via the festival circuit with Short Term 12 before graduating to The Glass Castle and Just Mercy, Shang-Chi was particularly fulfilling, as he got to work with artists with similar backgrounds to him. That includes production designer Chan, whom he notes is the daughter of parents who owned a Chinese restaurant on the East Coast. “It was such a poignant and moving experience for the first time in my career to be surrounded by people who have a similar upbringing as me,” says Cretton, who is half Japanese, half white and grew up in Hawaii. “To share stories and share experiences with other artists like that, it was really emotional for me and very fulfilling.” Tom Holland Reportedly Signed for Fourth Spider-Man Film, Already In Development https://www.cbr.com/report-tom-holland-fourth-spider-man-film-in-development/ No Way Home star Tom Holland might already preparing for another Spider-Man movie. According to Puck, multiple sources have reported that Marvel has quietly started developing a fourth movie with Holland in a leading role. It was also reported that Spider-Man: No Way Home, Holland's third Spider-Man movie and fifth appearance overall in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, is not only on track to open to $150 million when it premieres in theaters, but might be the first film to gross $1 billion since the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic began. In a previous interview, Holland was asked about reports that he would reprise his role as Peter Parker/Spider-Man in another upcoming film from Marvel Studios independent of Sony Entertainment. The two companies announced in 2019 that they would be extending their partnership, which in turn allows Spider-Man to appear in Marvel Studios' films. "Yeah, that's not accurate at all," Holland said. "The new deal that was struck up was this understanding between the two studios that should Marvel want me to appear in one of their movies, then it would be an open conversation." He continued, "I don't think it's as black and white as 'I have a three-picture deal with Marvel and a three-picture deal with Sony.' It's just this open conversation and open dialogue between Mr. Iger and Mr. Rothman." Holland has also previously spoken about his future in the MCU, hinting that his time as Spider-Man might be coming to a close. "Maybe it is time for me to move on. Maybe what's best for Spider-Man is that they do a Miles Morales film," he said at the time. "I have to take Peter Parker into account as well, because he is an important part of my life ... If I'm playing Spider-Man after I'm 30, I've done something wrong." However, the actor later clarified those comments, saying that they had been misinterpreted. "I don't know what the future of Spider-Man looks like. I don't know whether I'm going to be a part of it," Holland said. "Spider-Man will always live on in me, and I know that [producer Amy Pascal] and the studio are keen to figure out what the next chapter of Spider-Man looks like." In terms of the next chapter of Spider-Man, No Way Home producer Amy Pascal has hinted at the Web-Slinger's future, stating that the character will likely appear in future projects for both Sony and Marvel. When asked about the potential to see Holland in a film not connected to the MCU, Pascal said, "We all want to keep making movies together. How's that for an answer?" For now, Holland is starring as Peter Parker/Spider-Man once again in Spider-Man: No Way Home, which swings into theaters on Dec. 17. The Hollywood Reporter HEAT VISION E-Mail (Letita Wright set to rejoin Black Panther 2 Filming In January) https://view.email.hollywoodreporter.com/?qs=addba4fe3d9a1a019e86f69923229c5600bf8cb950f6a494e40a22c37d6e3a08ab2530e218c90e2b4a55510675e693b449dc0f6045cbc3bf75cc53d7e79a4cabfb18dcbc1a5068e5 https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-letitia-wright-not-leaving-mcu/ And while we're here ... Letitia Wright and Black Panther 2 started trending Thursday with some rumors coming in from the lowlands. We did some digging and sources close to the production say Panther 2 is indeed on track to resume production in late January in Atlanta. With Wright. Marvel and Sony Are Planning a Crossover Movie for Tom Holland's Spider-Man https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/spider-man-marvel-sony-future-tom-holland-another-mcu-movie/ Tom Holland has become one of the biggest actors in Hollywood, and his work as Spider-Man helped solidify his talent as an A-list star. Right now, the actor is living large in light of Spider-Man: No Way Home's upcoming premiere. Many have worried the film would be Holland's last as the Marvel superhero, but reports have suggested there is more to come. And when ComicBook.com's Brandon Davis got to speak with Sony Pictures chair Tom Rothman recently, we learned the company is working with Marvel Studios on another crossover pitch. "It's reciprocal. So we lend one, and they lend one, and that's how Benedict [Cumberbatch] is in this movie," Rothman explained. "So we have one more 'lend back' that's committed. But the thing that I can say, and this actually the accurate scoop on this, which is that the two companies have a terrific working relationship. I think it's a mutual hope that that would continue. But there really isn't anything definitive at this moment, because the truth of the matter is, we gotta ride [Spider-Man: No Way Home] and see what happens." At the beginning of the month, Spider-Man producer Amy Pascal mentioned in an interview that Marvel and Sony were already working together on a third trilogy with Holland in the lead role. Insider reports then indicated that nothing official had been reached in regards to this new trilogy, but that Sony and Marvel remained close in their working relationship and hope to keep that going into the future. Rothman's comments on Monday night back up those reports. He specifically stated that nothing official had been decided upon just yet, mainly because the two companies have been focusing their efforts on releasing No Way Home. There may not be news on a new Spider-Man movie for quite a while. What we do know, however, is that Holland will be returning to the MCU in another upcoming MCU title. Perhaps he reprises his role in next year's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, continuing his story with Cumberbatch's sorcerer supreme. It's also worth nothing that the Doctor Strange sequel's director is Sam Raimi, who directed the first three live-action Spider-Man films for Sony. Scarlett Johansson on What Inspired Her to Produce for Marvel: "Nothing's Ever off the Table" https://collider.com/scarlett-johansson-new-marvel-project-producer/ Johansson also highlights lessons learned that'll influence her own work as a producer. Perhaps anything can happen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it feels rather safe to say that Scarlett Johansson's run as Black Widow has come to an end. But, that doesn't mean her contribution to the franchise has to stop there. Johansson is heavily leaning into the producing side of things now. Not only is she credited as a producer on the upcoming Tower of Terror movie over at Disney and the A24 sci-fi drama Bride, but she's also continuing to work on the MCU in a producorial capacity. Just last month, Kevin Feige revealed that Johansson is producing a “non-Black Widow-related top-secret Marvel Studio project.” With the December 22nd release of Sing 2 right around the corner, I got the chance to catch up with Johansson and opted to ask her about her producing ambitions. Here's what she said when asked what's motivating her to contribute to more films in that position: “I have worked for 30 years, which is insane when I say it out loud, but I think I just understand the efficiency of how productions run and how you thin the fat on a production and make things well oiled. I've learned that the fish rots from the head, which is very very true I think in any creative space, but particularly a production involves many hundreds of people and so yeah, just working with people that want to be there and all want to creatively contribute to the same kind of idea and building that kind of creative family I think is something I'm really excited about as I produce more and more things for other people.” Johansson also took a moment to address producing for Marvel specifically: “As far as Marvel goes, it's like working with family there. Marvel has some of the best IP ever and you can really dream big there and nothing's ever off the table and you kind of throw all these blue sky ideas around and see what sticks. It's like a creative playground that's just like a dream. Again, I have that shorthand with my fellow creatives there that comes from being in the world for 10 years with those guys.” Disney and Sony Are 'Actively' Developing Spider-Man's MCU Future https://www.cbr.com/disney-sony-developing-mcu-spider-man-future/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/movies/kevin-feige-amy-pascal-spider-man-no-way-home.html Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal confirm Marvel and Sony are "actively" developing Spider-Man's post-No Way Home story for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. With Spider-Man: No Way Home now in theaters, the film's producers are "actively" developing Spidey's future in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In the lead-up to No Way Home's release, the million dollar question was if the film would be actor Tom Holland's final outing as Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the MCU. However, late last month, Spider-Man franchise producer Amy Pascal revealed that not only was a fourth MCU Spider-Man film with Holland in the works, but that it would be intended as the start of an all-new trilogy. That said, subsequent reports threw cold water on the idea of such a trilogy currently being in development. Pascal was asked to clarify her comments during a recent interview with The New York Times. "We're producers, so we always believe everything will work out," she said. "I love working with [Marvel Studios President/Marvel Entertainment Chief Creative Officer Kevin Feige]. We have a great partnership, along with Tom Rothman, who runs Sony and has been instrumental, a great leader with great ideas. I hope it lasts forever." Feige himself chimed in, adding, "Amy and I and Disney and Sony are talking about -- yes, we're actively beginning to develop where the story heads next, which I only say outright because I don't want fans to go through any separation trauma like what happened after Far From Home. That will not be occurring this time." The "separation trauma" Feige refers to is the incident that saw The Walt Disney Company (owner of Marvel Studios) and Sony (owner of the Spider-Man movie rights) briefly end their partnership following the release of Spider-Man: Far From Home -- the second MCU Spider-Man film -- in 2019, leaving the future of the franchise uncertain. Fences were ultimately mended. Hence, the existence of No Way Home. Several years ago, Disney and Marvel Studios struck a deal with Sony -- which has owned the license to Spider-Man since 1999 -- to bring the fan-favorite character into the MCU. Holland's version of Spidey made his MCU debut in 2016's Captain America: Civil War, subsequently spinning out into the 2017 solo film Spider-Man: Homecoming. Holland later reprised the role in 2018's Avengers: Infinity War and 2019's Avengers: Endgame before getting a second solo outing in the form of Far From Home. Thanks to Disney and Sony mending their working relationship, Holland was able to round out his solo trilogy with No Way Home. While a fourth Spider-Man film set in the MCU has yet to be officially announced, it definitively looks as though all parties concerned are working towards making such a film a reality. Spider-Man: No Way Home is in theaters now. Is Iron Man 3 a Christmas Movie? Disney+ Gives Surprising Answer https://thedirect.com/article/iron-man-3-christmas-movie-disney-plus The holiday season is in full swing before 2021 comes to an end, particularly for Marvel Cinematic Universe fans who are taking in the final episodes of Hawkeye on Disney+. While the internet-breaking reveals such as one for a long-rumored Netflix villain entering the fray are most present, the series also fully embraces the holiday spirit with Clint Barton and Kate Bishop working to complete their mission in time to get Clint home for Christmas. This series comes as the second sub-franchise within the greater MCU to take on the Christmas season, which first officially came in through 2013's Iron Man 3. While the decision to set a summer blockbuster in the month of December is still a mystery more than eight years after the fact, director Shane Black used his signature style of storytelling in a unique way with Marvel Studios' leading hero. Although this movie took place in and around Christmastime with Black's influence, one big question still lingers - is Iron Man 3 officially regarded as a Christmas movie? That answer may be surprising if one version of Disney+ is to be believed. Is Iron Man 3 Christmas Movie? The United Kingdom's Disney+ server curated a "Merry Christmas" collection in celebration of the holiday season featuring over 40 titles across the streaming service. In the animated section, movies like Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas and multiple Mickey Mouse specials make the cut, as do the Frozen films/spinoffs and Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas. Live-action movies in the collection include all four Home Alone titles, the first two Die Hard films, and even Edward Scissorhands. The MCU finds its place in the list thanks to 2021's Hawkeye, whose final Christmastime episode will debut on December 22, 2021. However, 2013's Iron Man 3 didn't end up on the list as an official Disney+ Christmas movie. Here are some of the most popular movies & shows in the collection: Originals Home Sweet Home Alone LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special Hawkeye Once Upon a Snowman Godmother High School Musical The Musical The Holiday Special Noelle Arendale Castle Yule Log Live-Action Christmas Movies and Specials Home Alone The Muppets Christmas Carol Die Hard Die Hard 2 The Santa Clause A Muppets Christmas Letters To Santa Home Alone 2 Home Alone 3 Home Alone 4 Santa Clause 2 Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause The Nutcracker And The Four Realms Animated Christmas Movies and Specials The Nightmare Before Christmas Mickey's Christmas Carol A Christmas Carol Beauty And The Beast: The Enchanted Christmas Mickey's Once Upon A Time Mickey's Upon Twice A Christmas Winnie The Pooh: A Very Merry Pooh Year Christmas Shorts Olaf's Frozen Adventure Ice Age: A Mammoth Christmas Pluto's Christmas Tree Winter Favorites Olaf Presents Frozen Ice Age Togo Frozen II Narnia: The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe Edward Scissorhands Frozen Fever Cool Runnings LEGO Frozen Northern Lights Home Alone Home Alone Home Alone 2 Home Alone 3 Home Alone 4 Home Alone The Holiday Heist Home Sweet Home Alone Iron Man 3 - To Christmas or Not to Christmas? The MCU's first Phase 2 movie fully takes place around or at Christmas from start to finish as fans see Tony Stark deal with his post-The Avengers demons. From buying Pepper Potts arguably the biggest stuffed bunny in history as a present to playing a funky version of "Jingle Bells" while summoning his Mark XLII suit for the first time, Iron Man 3 makes no effort to tone down the holiday spirit. This listing comes as somewhat of a surprise, especially considering how many amongst the fan base view Iron Man 3 as the MCU's first true Christmas movie. The ties back to the holidays are at least as noticeable and present as those from other entries on the list like Die Hard or Home Alone, bringing into question what actually does qualify a movie as a Christmas movie. Although Disney+ made its own distinction, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige firmly believes Iron Man 3 is a Christmas movie, and the film is described as such on Marvel's official website as of two years ago. There are certainly arguments for both sides, but it appears that the argument for it being in this category has some big-name support. Whether Iron Man 3 is officially a part of this catalog or not, it likely won't deter many fans from taking in the MCU's seventh movie in their holiday must-watch list. Filled with trees, wreaths, presents, and holiday songs throughout, there's no mistaking the influence that Christmas has on this outing, which should mean it will continue to be an unofficial go-to movie at this time of year. Tom Holland Talks His Future as Spider-Man, Reveals He Wants to 'Focus on Starting a Family' Next https://people.com/movies/tom-holland-talks-plans-after-spider-man-family/ Tom Holland opens up about his experience as Spider-Man and his plans for the future Tom Holland is looking forward to the future. The Spider-Man: No Way Home actor, 25, opens up about what the superhero franchise means to him — and what he hopes to do next — in the new issue of PEOPLE. No Way Home is the third (and perhaps final) Spider-Man movie Holland stars in, and he finds that bittersweet. "I've loved every minute of it. I've been so grateful to Marvel and Sony for giving us the opportunity and keeping us on and allowing our characters to progress. It's been amazing," Holland says. "And that's why for me, I don't want to say goodbye to Spider-Man — but I feel like we might be ready to say goodbye to Spider-Man." Holland has held the role of Peter Parker and his web-slinging alter-ego since he was cast for Spider-Man: Homecoming in 2015. Now, he says, may be the time to pass the torch. "I don't want to be responsible for holding back the next young person that comes in who deserves it just as much so," Holland says. And after he, Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire have all played the superhero, Holland thinks it's time for a change. "I would love to see a future of Spider-Man that's more diverse — maybe you have a Spider-Gwen or a Spider-Woman," he adds. "We've had three Spider-Mans in a row; we've all been the same. It'd be nice to see something different." While his future in the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems up in the air, Holland — who is dating his costar Zendaya — has a burgeoning career. His action-adventure film Uncharted, with Mark Wahlberg, is due in 2022, and he'll soon star in a Fred Astaire biopic. But the London native also hopes to turn his attention to his personal life. "I've spent the last six years being so focused on my career," Holland says. "I want to take a break and focus on starting a family and figuring out what I want to do outside of this world." Indeed, the star says he looks forward to becoming a father one day — which is why Holland says if he weren't acting, he'd be a schoolteacher. "I love kids. I can't wait to be a dad — I can wait and I will, but I can't wait!" he says. "If I'm at a wedding or a party, I'm always at the kids' table hanging out. My dad's been such a great role model for me. I think I've got that from him. So I think I'd be a primary school teacher or something like that." Spider-Man: No Way Home opens in theaters Friday. CHADWICK BOSEMAN: HE'D WANT T'CHALLA ROLE RECAST ...According to Chadwick's Bro https://www.tmz.com/2021/12/14/chadwick-boseman-tchalla-recast-black-panther-brother/ 'Black Panther' fans have spoken, saying Chadwick Boseman's beloved character should be recast going forward, and believe it or not ... the man's own brother concurs. CB's bro, Derrick Boseman, tells TMZ ... yes, he does think T'Challa needs to live on in the 'Black Panther' franchise, and if that means tapping another actor to portray the king of Wakanda -- the role Chadwick made famous and legendary, then so be it. Here's the thing ... Derrick tells us he believes his sibling would've wanted with this too -- explaining Chadwick thought T'Challa was bigger than just himself as one guy. Frankly, Derrick says Chadwick knew the power of the character, and the positive influence it carries. Derrick says there's so much power in seeing a Black king -- especially in a superhero capacity, like in the Marvel flick -- which has a HUGE impact on African-American youth. DB tells us with Marvel killing off that character so quickly in the wake of Chadwick's death, they're kinda depriving black kids of a role model. As you know, there's a major push among fans to #RecastTChalla amid all the speculated drama with Letitia Wright. Derrick says there aren't a whole lot of positive influences for young black children these days -- he thinks hip-hop glorifies certain social ills, and Marvel has a chance to counteract that by bringing back T'Challa -- who he sees as a symbol of Black people's potential. The guy speaks from experience, telling us his own nephew has told the family he wants to be a scientist and cites 'Black Panther' as his inspiration. He does note ... Chadwick never explicitly expressed his wishes, before his death, about what should happen with the character -- but Derrick's sure his bro would agree T'Challa should live on in the MCU. ‘Doctor Strange' Sequel Undergoing “Significant” Reshoots https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/doctor-strange-multiverse-madness-reshoots-1235045328/ This doctor is on call till Christmas as the actors and crew shoot six days a week until the end of the year. In what sources describe as a “significant” production, the new shoot, taking place in Los Angeles, comprises both “additional photography” and “reshoots.” How significant? Insiders say that Cumberbatch and company are undertaking six weeks of shooting, if not more, working six days a week. Sam Raimi remains as helmer, and Loki head writer Michael Waldron is still on board writing the new material. It is unclear what actors in addition to Cumberbatch are on the call sheet. The crew involved is familiar with the Marvel method and worked on recent pickups for the upcoming Spider-Man: No Way Home and additional shooting for next year's Oscar Isaac series Moon Knight. One source downplayed the severity of the shoot: “Even while in the middle of production, Marvel is scheduling you for more shooting,” this person says, adding that the size and complexity of Marvel movies often necessitates additional photography. “We've had bigger reshoots on other MCU movies,” another insider says. However, other sources raised their eyebrows at the six-week time frame. “They're here until the end of the year. That's like a whole other movie,” says one. Several factors appear to be driving the return to production. One insider says about two weeks are dedicated to principal photography that wasn't completed during the initial, U.K.-based shoot due to what is described as actor availability issues. The insider also dismissed concerns that the reshoots were related to retooling the story. Another reason for the shoot concerns compensating for COVID-related production slowdowns that affected the U.K. production. It was those slowdowns that reared their head Oct. 18, when Marvel and Disney unexpectedly announced the pushing-back of Multiverse of Madness from March 25, 2022, to May 6, 2022. Thor: Love and Thunder, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, The Marvels and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania hopscotched backward into new dates as well. First announced at Comic-Con in 2019, Multiverse of Madness is an ambitious project for Marvel, with one aspect dealing with alternate versions of fan-favorite superheroes, much in the way that recent Disney+ series What if …? has reimagined Marvel mainstays. The movie has had its fair share of challenges. Doctor Strange director Scott Derrickson had co-written a script and was due to direct when creative differences led to a parting of ways in January 2020. Raimi and Waldron were then brought on to, as one source says, create a whole new movie, on an accelerated timetable to boot. Multiverse of Madness started production in the U.K. in November 2020 but paused in January 2021 due to the worsening pandemic. It then restarted — and ostensibly wrapped — in the spring. Still, despite story concerns apparently playing a minimal part in the new shoot, it is evident that working in the multiverse requires Reed Richards-level thinking. Half the time, a Marvel movie has to tie to past movies while setting up future movies, and increasingly, TV series. Despite the major shoot underway, the mood with cast and crew is not downbeat. “There is a pervasive enthusiasm,” one source described. On Thursday, Cumberbatch spoke about the reshoots on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, where he was asked if he knew what the reshoots were going to be. “Like everything with Marvel, it comes in fresh, pretty much, most mornings,” Cumberbatch said with a laugh when questioned. “It's really exciting, and the film is shaping up to be something special.” DISNEY+ ‘Hawkeye' Directors Break Down That Dazzling Car Chase, and the Debut of [SPOILER] in Episode 4 https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/hawkeye-yelena-black-widow-car-chase-1235129461/ How Hawkeye's Alaqua Cox Echoes Echo's Superpowers https://www.cbr.com/hawkeye-directors-alaqua-cox-echo-superpowers/ The car chase sequence in Episode 3 is so much fun. Was that something that you know you wanted to do from the start? Bertie: It was the thing that we read that we were most excited about, opening the script for [Episode] 3 and going, “Wait, there's an action sequence that's basically half of this episode.” One of the standout moments people are talking about is that opening shot of the 360-revolving camera. That's something very early on we decided we wanted to do, because we wanted to stay with Kate and Clint in the car on this journey as the Tracksuit Mafia are chasing them. Then it was just like the journey of how we achieve that and pre-vizing that and the camera team figuring out the rig. From start to end, that was just joyful. Was there ever a time where you were thinking you'd do the entire sequence in a oner? Bert: Yes, there was! You go in with these huge ambitions, but we very quickly realized that the essence of the oner is that we stay with our characters. The action is kind of happening around them, but we wanted to stay with them. So the moment Kate gets out the car, if you're following that rule, then the camera goes out of the car with her. And so that's what happened. We just had to figure out how to get it out of the car. There were so many trick arrows in that sequence. Was there a brainstorming session where you tried to come up with all the different kinds of trick arrows that you could think of? Bertie: Constant brainstorming. That's what's amazing about the Marvel process. They're all about plussing. “How can we plus this?” From “What other arrows can we put in the car chase,” came “What would be the arrow that could be used to stop Kazi in his truck and the Christmas tree lot.” So the situations led to new arrows. The smoke arrow [appeared] earlier on in the chase, and it was too much there. It didn't really serve a purpose. Then it came back later, when Kate was trying to get Maya's car to to crash on the bridge. How early was the Pym arrow introduced into the mix? Bert: Way, way earlier. That was that was one of the things that was in the script very early on. Then the challenge was figuring out how we were going to do it so it was believable, because the tone of the show is so real that something like that [giant arrow] really stood out for us. We needed to ground it with the emotion of the guys inside of the truck. Bertie: And here's something we haven't spoken about yet. When we first were going to do the Pym arrow, the [giant] arrow was going to go straight at Kazi's truck and split it down the middle. That sounded great on paper, but we pre-viz'd it, and you couldn't quite figure out what was happening. Once we decided to do the up-and-down apex [of the arrow], you could see the whole thing. It was just staking this huge arrow on Manhattan Bridge, and it meant that the truck literally broke in half. That was fun to make that change. You also introduced Echo in Episode 3 and showed the audience her experience as person who is deaf and an amputee. What were the conversations like about how you wanted to approach that character? Bert: It was a huge learning curve for us; Alaqua brought so much to this. We just went in asking to be taught how to do this because we want to represent her wholly and correctly on screen. So there were a lot of discussions ahead of actually filming, but then every day on set was learning with he, and she was very gracious. Bertie: Maya's story, for obvious reasons, mirrors Alaqua's story in many ways. I think for us, and with Alaqua, it was about looking at these things that people might term as disabilities in Alaqua, and actually using those as her superpowers. So the fact that she's a non-hearing person means that her sense of observation — a heightened awareness as she walks into a room and observes things — is a superpower. Her prosthetic leg, we see that Clint tries to hockey stick [it] out the way, and then she swings that metal leg at him, and it takes his hearing aid out. Using what could be considered her weaknesses as her strengths was a huge part of that character formation. Finally, you also directed a major moment in Episode 4, when Florence Pugh's Yelena finally appears on her mission to take out Clint. What did you want to accomplish in bringing in a character that most of the audience already has a relationship with, but your other characters don't? Bertie: So much of “Hawkeye” is seeing the world through the characters' point of view of it. So if we look at the end of [Episode 4], we are with Kate Bishop as she's seeing this person, who she has no concept of who she is, actually, and how she's going to fit into the story. But there's this connection, and you can see and feel the presence of this new character. It's actually a balance between what the audience feels about this character and what Kate's feeling that makes that ending so special. Bert: When you're directing actresses like Florence and Hailee, they bring so much to it. There was this immediate natural chemistry between them, which — I can't say anything else. But you know, when they give you that, it's this gift, and all you want to do is take care of it and unwrap it slowly. Hawkeye directors break down that epic chase sequence and working with Lucky the Pizza Dog (It was originally at night) https://ew.com/tv/hawkeye-directors-bert-bertie-episode-3-chase-scene/ Bert and Bertie talk to EW about recent highlights from the Disney+ superhero series. Hawkeye may not be as high-concept as its predecessors WandaVision or Loki, but the Christmas-set superhero series has proved just how good it is at delivering fun action scenes. Taking a page from the popular Hawkeye comic series by Matt Fraction and David Aja, episode 3 of Hawkeye sent Clint Barton (Jeremy Renner) and Kate Bishop (Hailee Steinfeld) on a wild car chase through Brooklyn, busting out all the trick arrows in Clint's quiver to shake the Tracksuit Mafia off their trail. The scene was remarkable for how clear and easy-to-follow it was, in an age where so many blockbuster action setpieces feel shrouded in shadow. When EW caught up with episode directors Amber Templemore-Finlayson and Katie Ellwood, a.k.a Bert and Bertie, they admitted that the scene was actually originally planned to shoot at night before a last-minute change courtesy of Marvel Cinematic Universe mastermind Kevin Feige. "It was only after we'd started shooting the show that Kevin was like, 'there's too much at night. We need to put some sequences in the day,'" Ellwood tells EW. "But we'd planned it all at night! And of course we had been like hey, you can hide things in the shadows. But then suddenly it was daylight. So we just reconvened with our amazing team and decided to embrace it. We'd already decided to do as much practically as possible, but it drove us to do even more practically. The result was amazing." "It has a grit and it has a danger from being in the daytime when you can see more," Templemore-Finlayson says. The duo cited the iconic car chases from '60s-'70s films like Bullitt and The French Connection as inspirations. They decided to orient the scene around Kate's perspective in order to make the action easy to follow. "Our cameras are determined by what the character needs and the central part to this chase sequence is the banter and the relationship between Clint and Kate," Templemore-Finlayson says. "So we were thinking, how do you stay in the car? We've all seen a million car chases, there are huge franchises that do them so well on epic scales. So we were like, well, it's about the characters. So what we wanted to do was keep the camera in the car. Then we thought, how fun would it be that if as that camera is turning, all the action was happening around them? And then when Kate goes out the window, of course our camera goes with her because it's led by character." Speaking of characters, recent Hawkeye episodes also featured some wonderful moments with another beloved creation from Fraction and Aja's comic: Lucky the Pizza Dog. "Every opportunity we could get Lucky in a scene, we would," Ellwood says. "Lucky was great, and not only on screen. Off-screen Lucky was great too because you know, there are situations where we're running out of time or it's all a little bit tense and it's just like, stare at the dog! Stare at the dog! So it was joyful." Hawkeye Finale Promo Features New Kingpin Footage https://www.cbr.com/hawkeye-kingpin-finale-promo/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgp1OEVDxDM A new prom
In this Season Finale of the Movie Amigos Podcast, the Amigos have some A's to some of your Q's. They also get in to the Spirit of Christmas as they reminisce about Lumpy. And last but not least, they catch up. We like movies and we're amigos. Join us and be our movie amigos. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/movieamigospodcast/ Find us wherever you listen to podcasts! Letterboxd profiles: Gila https://letterboxd.com/gilasantos1/ Josh https://letterboxd.com/joshman972/ Juve https://letterboxd.com/mrfalcon/ Movies mentioned this episode: No Time to Die (2021) Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) Annihilation (2018) Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa (2013) Dirty Grandpa (2016) The Bucket List (2007) Jeff Dunham: Spark of Insanity (2007) The Muppet Movie (1979) The Muppets (2011) Dear Evan Hansen (2021) Casino Royale (2006) The Legend of Hercules (2014) Birdemic: Shock and Terror (2010) She's All That (1999) He's All That (2021) Demolition Man (1993) The Graduate (1967) The Pianist (2002) The Wolf House / La Casa Lobo (2018) La La Land (2016) My Girl (1991) My Girl 2 (1994) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone / Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001) He's Just Not That Into You (2009) Bridget Jones' Diary (2001) Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason (2004) Trust (2021) Malcolm & Marie (2021) Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) Dune (2021) Marriage Story (2019) Basic Instinct (1992) Fatal Attraction (1987) Inside Out (2015) G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra (2009) G.I. Joe: Retaliation (2013) Snake Eyes: G.I. Joe Origins (2021) The Last Airbender (2010) Alita: Battle Angel (2019) Beauty and the Beast (1991) Attack on Titan / 進撃の巨人 (2015) Fullmetal Alchemist / 鋼の錬金術師 (2017) Death Note (2017) The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) Dallas Buyers Club (2013) Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) Star Wars Holiday Special (1978) Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Christmas Inheritance (2017) Mean Girls (2004) How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000) Dr. Seuss' the Grinch (2018) Christmas with the Kranks (2004) Home Alone (1990) Elf (2003) The Knight Before Christmas (2019) Frozen (2013) Olaf's Frozen Adventure (2017) Coco (2017) The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (1964) The Green Knight (2021) Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) The Santa Clause (1994) Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992) Home Alone 3 (1997) Home Alone 4: Taking Back the House (2002) Home Alone: The Holiday Heist / Home Alone 5 (2012) Krampus (2015) Edward Scissorhands (1990) Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) West Side Story (2021) The Christmas Chronicles (2018) The Christmas Chronicles 2 (2020) Little Women (2019) Both intro and outro music: Beat provided by https://freebeats.io Produced by White Hot RELEASE CODE: 55514 For any inquiries: Email us at email@example.com