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The ancient world was a lot bigger than Greece and Rome. Dr. Owen Rees joins me to discuss his new book on this broader conception of antiquity - The Far Edges of the Known World - and we traverse the globe from Africa to Vietnam to the Black Sea, tracking the contours of a stranger, more diverse, and far more interesting world than we ever knew existed. Buy The Far Edges of the Known World here: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324036524 Patrick's book is now available! Get The Verge: Reformation, Renaissance, and Forty Years that Shook the World in hardcopy, ebook, or audiobook (read by Patrick) here: https://bit.ly/PWverge. And check out Patrick's new podcast The Pursuit of Dadliness! It's all about “Dad Culture,” and Patrick will interview some fascinating guests about everything from tall wooden ships to smoked meats to comfortable sneakers to history, sports, culture, and politics. https://bit.ly/PWtPoD Listen to new episodes 1 week early, to exclusive seasons 1 and 2, and to all episodes ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/tidesofhistoryBe the first to know about Wondery's newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
When Ovid was exiled from Rome to a border town on the Black Sea, he despaired at his bleak and barbarous new surroundings. Like many Greeks and Romans, Ovid thought the outer reaches of his world was where civilization ceased to exist. Our own fascination with the Greek and Roman world has for centuries followed this perspective, shrouding cultures at the far reaches of their influence in myth. But what was it like to live on the edges of these empires, on the boundaries of the known world? In The Far Edges of the Known World (W.W. Norton & Company, 2025) ancient historian Owen Rees draws on archaeological excavations to reveal these so-called borders as thriving multicultural spaces. This is where the boundaries of “civilized” and “barbarian” began to dissipate; where traditional rules didn't always apply; where different cultures intermarried; and where nomadic tribes built their own cities. Transporting readers through historical spheres of influence, Rees journeys from the sandy caravan routes of Morocco to the freezing winters of the northern Black Sea, from the Red River valley of Vietnam to the rain-lashed forts south of Hadrian's Wall. Beyond well-remembered figures like Cleopatra and Caesar, Rees introduces us to the everyday people who called the borderlands home. We meet an enterprising sex worker in Egypt's Naucratis, gambling soldiers at Hadrian's Wall in England, a Greco-Buddhist monk hailing from the Ganges, and more. As Rees shows, exchanges of trends, ideas, even religious practices were happening all over the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
When Ovid was exiled from Rome to a border town on the Black Sea, he despaired at his bleak and barbarous new surroundings. Like many Greeks and Romans, Ovid thought the outer reaches of his world was where civilization ceased to exist. Our own fascination with the Greek and Roman world has for centuries followed this perspective, shrouding cultures at the far reaches of their influence in myth. But what was it like to live on the edges of these empires, on the boundaries of the known world? In The Far Edges of the Known World (W.W. Norton & Company, 2025) ancient historian Owen Rees draws on archaeological excavations to reveal these so-called borders as thriving multicultural spaces. This is where the boundaries of “civilized” and “barbarian” began to dissipate; where traditional rules didn't always apply; where different cultures intermarried; and where nomadic tribes built their own cities. Transporting readers through historical spheres of influence, Rees journeys from the sandy caravan routes of Morocco to the freezing winters of the northern Black Sea, from the Red River valley of Vietnam to the rain-lashed forts south of Hadrian's Wall. Beyond well-remembered figures like Cleopatra and Caesar, Rees introduces us to the everyday people who called the borderlands home. We meet an enterprising sex worker in Egypt's Naucratis, gambling soldiers at Hadrian's Wall in England, a Greco-Buddhist monk hailing from the Ganges, and more. As Rees shows, exchanges of trends, ideas, even religious practices were happening all over the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/history
When Ovid was exiled from Rome to a border town on the Black Sea, he despaired at his bleak and barbarous new surroundings. Like many Greeks and Romans, Ovid thought the outer reaches of his world was where civilization ceased to exist. Our own fascination with the Greek and Roman world has for centuries followed this perspective, shrouding cultures at the far reaches of their influence in myth. But what was it like to live on the edges of these empires, on the boundaries of the known world? In The Far Edges of the Known World (W.W. Norton & Company, 2025) ancient historian Owen Rees draws on archaeological excavations to reveal these so-called borders as thriving multicultural spaces. This is where the boundaries of “civilized” and “barbarian” began to dissipate; where traditional rules didn't always apply; where different cultures intermarried; and where nomadic tribes built their own cities. Transporting readers through historical spheres of influence, Rees journeys from the sandy caravan routes of Morocco to the freezing winters of the northern Black Sea, from the Red River valley of Vietnam to the rain-lashed forts south of Hadrian's Wall. Beyond well-remembered figures like Cleopatra and Caesar, Rees introduces us to the everyday people who called the borderlands home. We meet an enterprising sex worker in Egypt's Naucratis, gambling soldiers at Hadrian's Wall in England, a Greco-Buddhist monk hailing from the Ganges, and more. As Rees shows, exchanges of trends, ideas, even religious practices were happening all over the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
When Ovid was exiled from Rome to a border town on the Black Sea, he despaired at his bleak and barbarous new surroundings. Like many Greeks and Romans, Ovid thought the outer reaches of his world was where civilization ceased to exist. Our own fascination with the Greek and Roman world has for centuries followed this perspective, shrouding cultures at the far reaches of their influence in myth. But what was it like to live on the edges of these empires, on the boundaries of the known world? In The Far Edges of the Known World (W.W. Norton & Company, 2025) ancient historian Owen Rees draws on archaeological excavations to reveal these so-called borders as thriving multicultural spaces. This is where the boundaries of “civilized” and “barbarian” began to dissipate; where traditional rules didn't always apply; where different cultures intermarried; and where nomadic tribes built their own cities. Transporting readers through historical spheres of influence, Rees journeys from the sandy caravan routes of Morocco to the freezing winters of the northern Black Sea, from the Red River valley of Vietnam to the rain-lashed forts south of Hadrian's Wall. Beyond well-remembered figures like Cleopatra and Caesar, Rees introduces us to the everyday people who called the borderlands home. We meet an enterprising sex worker in Egypt's Naucratis, gambling soldiers at Hadrian's Wall in England, a Greco-Buddhist monk hailing from the Ganges, and more. As Rees shows, exchanges of trends, ideas, even religious practices were happening all over the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/book-of-the-day
Preview: Author Eric Jay Dolin, "Left for Dead," reports the quandary for 1812 American sealers confronting an ambitious Royal Navy officer in the end of the known world, the Falklands2848 WINDSOR. More later.
Every day, New Yorkers are involuntarily committed to hospitals and mental health facilities for psychiatric treatment. But what happens when a patient wishes to be released from a hospital or refuses medication? In this podcast, we are joined by Hon. W. Frank Perry to discuss Mental Hygiene Proceedings, a little-known area of the law designed to resolve disputes between mental health patients and the facilities responsible for treating them. In this discussion, Judge Perry describes his transition from a Supreme Court Justice in the General Assignment Part to his current role as the sole Judge presiding over Mental Hygiene Proceedings throughout New York County. This open and honest conversation explores Judge Perry's experience with helping people at their most vulnerable moments, the tension between protecting individual rights of patients and ensuring that they are not a threat to themselves or others, and the procedure for carrying this out. We hope that this discussion can shed some light on a legal process that affects thousands of New Yorkers every year. Want to learn more about practice in New York's mental hygiene courts? You can access the City Bar's on-demand CLE program "Better Served by Treatment": Practicing in the Mental Health Courts 101: https://bit.ly/452oUXY Visit nycbar.org/events to find all of the most up-to-date information about our upcoming CLE programs and events as well as on-demand CLE content.
Owen Rees takes us through some of the amazing tales from his book 'The Far Edges of the Known World: A New History of the Ancient Past'.
Welcome to the D&D world! We're expanding the lore with not one, but two Dungeons & Dragons arcade games made by Capcom! Tuck in for an in-depth episode about the Known World, why the Record of Lodoss War is more than an anime, and the rare example of how a consultant can actually help a company as we talk about Dungeons & Dragons: Tower of Doom and its superb sequel, Shadow Over Mystara. Why aren't there steamboats in the Known World? Does Past Blaster really think Shadow Over Mystara is the best beat ‘em up ever? What character names are on Capcom's naughty list? How many buttons is too many buttons? We only answer one question this episode but it allows us to share our thoughts on the Fantastic Four movie trailer and some other upcoming super superhero movies. Join the Podouken Discord and ask your own questions that could be included in a future episode: discord.gg/k5vf2Jz You can also like, comment, and subscribe to our YouTube channel where we post our listener question segments and additional content: https://www.youtube.com/@podoukenpodcast2716
Welcome to the D&D world! We're expanding the lore with not one, but two Dungeons & Dragons arcade games made by Capcom! Tuck in for an in-depth episode about the Known World, why the Record of Lodoss War is more than an anime, and the rare example of how a consultant can actually help a company as we talk about Dungeons & Dragons: Tower of Doom and its superb sequel, Shadow Over Mystara. Why aren't there steamboats in the Known World? Does Past Blaster really think Shadow Over Mystara is the best beat ‘em up ever? What character names are on Capcom's naughty list? How many buttons is too many buttons? We only answer one question this episode but it allows us to share our thoughts on the Fantastic Four movie trailer and some other upcoming super superhero movies. Join the Podouken Discord and ask your own questions that could be included in a future episode: discord.gg/k5vf2Jz You can also like, comment, and subscribe to our YouTube channel where we post our listener question segments and additional content: https://www.youtube.com/@podoukenpodcast2716
He's back in the booth dear listener! It's Heracles! This week he has to go shopping for a belt, or is it a girdle? Come join our hero, and some of the Argonauts, for the mother of all shopping trips to the Edge of the Known World (accessories dept.) A nice Kate Spade holdall for our friends at ZapSplat Some sort of nice floaty scarf for Lord Fast Fingers for his intro music! Come give us some girdle money on our Ko-fi Check us out on our socials, Insta & Facebook Please do leave us a review, they help they really do!
Send us a texthttps://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Dwarfs, or the Dawi as they call themselves in their tongue of Khazalid, also called the "Elder Race" by Men, and sometimes as the "Dwarfen Mountain Holds" when referring to their kingdoms as a whole, are one of the oldest and proudest intelligent mortal races of the Known World, with a great wealth of history and power that stretches back to time immemorial. They once held an empire which stretched from Norsca in the north to the jungles in the Southlands, and from Mount Silverspear in the east to the Grey Mountains in the west.Support the show
Tiburon author Sheri Joseph, reads from her new book. It's a near-future love and adventure story about genetic screening tests making it impossible to hide a secret identity. Her novel, Edge of the Known World, was released September 3rd, 2024.
Send us a Text Message.https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Elves, also called the "Eldest Race," are one of the most ancient and powerful of all the intelligent mortal races of the Known World. They are tall, slender humanoids who are inherently magical and live for millennia.There are three main cultures or kindreds of Elves in the mortal world: the High Elves (Asur), Dark Elves (Druchii) and Wood Elves (Asrai). Compared to humans, Elves are tall, fair-skinned, and slender. Most artworks portray them with high cheekbones, slightly angular faces and slanted eyes. Some depictions show them with black eyes, while others show them with normal pupils/irises. High Elves are often shown with blonde hair, [3a] Wood Elves with brown and Dark Elves with black but these changes are minor and the three groups are for the most part physically indistinguishable. Elves are slender in build but strong. Assuming they do not die a violent death, Elves are capable of living for thousands of years. It is not considered impossible for an Elf to live to the age of 6,000, although this would be extremely unusual. Most often an Elf will not die of old age in the human fashion, rather he or she will simply grow weary of the world's troubles and lose their passion for life, eventually passing away. Elves are inherently magical, and their long lives give magically gifted elves more than enough time to train their skill at controlling many of the winds of magic. This is in contrast to human wizards, who can usually only hope to use one form of magic. Elves are resistant to disease and to physical mutations caused by Chaos, although notably they are still vulnerable to Nurgle's Rot. There is also some evidence that Chaos can affect their minds in more subtle ways. Elves experience emotions and thoughts more intensely than most other races. At best, this can result in them spending centuries training or honing a skill to perfection. At worst, they can become "lost" in their experiences, over-indulging and losing track of reality.Support the Show.
This week we have fun with all of the top books of the 21st century hype by sharing our own top 10 lists. We each killed a few darlings and made some very tough decisions. How did we do?What books would make your list?Summer Book ClubThe book for the Mookse and the Gripes Summer Book Club 2024 is William Trevor's The Story of Lucy Gault. You can start reading it whenever you want to! We have lined up a guest to join us to discuss the book for the next episode!ShownotesBooks* The Story of Lucy Gault, by William Trevor* The Land Breakers, by John Ehle* Testing the Current, by William McPherson* Miss MacIntosh, My Darling, by Marguerite Young* Schattenfroh, by Michael Lenz, translated by Max Lawton* Lesser Ruins, by Mark Haber* Horror Movie, by Paul Tremblay* Universal Harvester, by John Darnielle* A Head Full of Ghosts, by Paul Tremblay* Cabin at the End of the Woods, by Paul Tremblay* The Indian Lake Trilogy, by Stephen Graham Jones* The Empathy Exams, by Leslie Jamison* In a Strange Room, by Damon Galgut* The Promise, by Damon Galgut* Open City, by Teju Cole* When We Cease to Understand the World, by Benjamin Labatut, translated by Adrian Nathan West* The MANIAC, by Benjamin Labatut* The Employees, by Olga Ravn, translated by Martin Aitken* Flights, by Olga Tokarczuk, translated by Jennifer Croft* Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead, by Olga Tokarczuk, translated by Antonia Lloyd-Jones Croft* The Books of Jacob, by Olga Tokarczuk, translated by Jennifer Croft* LaRose, by Louise Erdrich* Red Comet: The Short Life and Blazing Life of Sylvia Plath, by Heather Clark* Gilead, by Marilynne Robinson* Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, by Susanna Clarke* Piranesi, by Susanna Clarke* Underland: A Deep Time Journey, by Robert Macfarlane* The Wild Places, by Robert Macfarlane* Reinhardt's Garden, by Mark Haber* Ducks, Newbury Port, by Lucy Ellmann* Your Face Tomorrow, by Javier Marías, translated by Margaret Jull Costa* The Road, by Cormac McCarthy* The Passenger, by Cormac McCarthy* Runaway, by Alice Munro* 2666, by Roberto Bolaño, translated by Natasha Wimmer* Train Dreams, by Denis Johnson* Tree of Smoke, by Denis Johnson* Interpreter of Maladies, by Jhumpa Lahiri* Austerlitz, by W.G. Sebald, translated by Anthea Belle* The Immigrants, by W.G. Sebald, translated by Michael Hulse* The Rings of Saturn, by W.G. Sebald, translated by Michael Hulse* Vertigo, by W.G. Sebald, translated by Michael Hulse* Blinding, by Mircea Cartarescu, translated by Sean Cotter* The Garden of Seven Twilights, by Miquel de Palol, translated by Adrian Nathan West* Antagony, by Luis Goytisolo, translated by Brendan Riley* Monument Maker, by David Keenan* Tomb of Sand, by Geetanjali Shree, translated by Daisy Rockwell* Praiseworthy, by Alexis Wright* Wizard of the Crow, by Ngugi wa Thiong'o* The Known World, Edward P. Jones* Hurricane Season, by Fernanda Melchor, translated by Sophie Hughes* The Twilight Zone, by Nona Fernandez, translated by Natasha Wimmer* Septology, by Jon Fosse, translated by Damion Searls* The Years, by Annie Ernaux, translated by Alison Strayer* In the Distance, by Hernan Diaz* Wolf Hall, by Hilary Mantel* My Struggle, by Karl Ove Knausgaard, translated by Don BartlettOther Links* The Untranslated* New York Times: 100 Best Books of the 21st CenturyThe Mookse and the Gripes Podcast is a book chat podcast. Every other week Paul and Trevor get together to talk about some bookish topic or another. We hope you'll continue to join us!SubscribeMany thanks to those who helped make this possible! If you'd like to donate as well, you can do so on Substack or on our Patreon page. These subscribers get periodic bonus episode and early access to all episodes! Every supporter has their own feed that he or she can use in their podcast app of choice to download our episodes a few days early. Please go check it out! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit mookse.substack.com/subscribe
Send us a Text Message.https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe Lizardmen, sometimes known as the "Cold Ones" or the "Children of the Gods" among themselves, are an ancient, savage, and highly intelligent race of cold-blooded, reptilian humanoids that are the first and oldest civilisation of the Known World. Long before the rise of Men, Elves or Dwarfs, the empire of the Lizardmen ruled supreme. Alien, enigmatic, and without mercy, the Lizardmen were there when it all began and will be there when the mortal world draws its last, dying breath, never tiring nor relenting until order is finally restored to this uncaring, chaotic world. Such is what they were made to do, for they are the ancient servants and first creations of the Old Ones, the one, true protectors and shapers of the Known World.Support the Show.
Namaste, Welcome to SAM-VAD (Together In Conversation), this is where we try to draw your attention to things that matter and the importance of our attention, why is that? Now ‘let us remember this again, ‘What we give our Attention to matters,' as Our life's experience would ultimately amount to whatever we had paid attention →
After almost 4 years the guys bring back creator and publisher of the Diplomacy Briefing, Umbletheheap, to see where the weekly email newsletter is at and where it's going. Plus we award the end of year Best Player award between each other, the new South of Sahara variant and progress on the Big Stick Diplomacy variant. Intro The guys open the show and discuss their drinks and initial venue which they last visited in episode 14. They discuss why Russia doesn't open Warsaw to Silesia more often. (0 mins 15 secs) Interview with Umbletheheap The guys start introducing their interview with Umbletheheap, creator and publisher of the Diplomacy Briefing (6 mins 15 secs) Umble gives a quick overview about what the Diplomacy Briefing is and its initial beginning (8 mins) He discusses the increasing role of many other great people contributing to the Briefing (10 mins 15 secs) Gavin asks about the professionalisation of the newsletter (14 mins 10 secs) Umble discusses his role in Ministry as a pastor yet being someone who loves the game Diplomacy which has a certain reputation (17 mins 45 secs) They discuss the role of AI when assisting the Briefing (26 mins) Gavin gives a shout out for anyone listening to the show who wants to step up, give back to the community and be recognised for their work re-using podcast conten in other areas eg Youtube (31 mins) Umble shares two secrets, one on starting the Briefing and getting Captainmeme back into the game (32 mins) He discusses winding things back a bit, while still ensuring the Briefing will keep on going (39 mins) Umble discusses old Diplomacy zines and how in the past it impacted on relationships (44 mins) He finishes up by discussing their Diplomacy awards coming up (47 mins) The guys return - this time in a new venue - and discuss the interview (52 mins) Diplomacy chat They discuss the new venue - an 80's rock bar called Alice - and their drinks (57 mins 30 secs) Some 80's pop culture banter (59 mins) Ken awards the trophy between the two of them on who is The Better vDip player, with Ken still beating Gavin (1 hr 0 mins 40 secs) New variant - South of Sahara The guys discuss the latest new variant on vDip "South of Sahara", created by David E Cohen and brought to vDip by Enriador and Tobias Florin (1 hr 3 mins 30 secs) They discuss this new 5 player variant. Gavin shares a conversation with David about the variant and some of his new upcoming variants (1 hr 5 mins) Ken shares a story about transforming units in Known World 901 and they agree to playing a South of Sahara game together (1 hr 12 mins 30 secs) Due to the very dark lighting they decide to switch drinking venues (1 hr 15 mins) Variant development update: Big Stick Diplomacy The guys have moved to Red Queen Gin and begin planning further their Big Stick Diplomacy variant (1 hr 15 mins 45 secs) Ken gives Gavin a geographic history lesson (1 hr 41 mins) Henry Kissinger update The freaky Henry Kissinger moment (1 hr 47 mins) Bronze Age Diplomacy play testing Gavin bought into this variant being play tested. You can view the game at vDiplomacy with the opening positions viewed on the variant page (1 hr 54 mins 30 secs) He goes on to discuss what he felt coming towards the end game and why as a variant creator he felt the need to stab his long term ally (1 hr 57 mins 15 secs) The guys start wrappin up the show, but have a mea culpa for our Patreon supporters. Gavin's slightly misplaced the recording from last episode and is looking for it. It'll come out soon (2 hrs 7 mins) Venue: Embassy Hotel, Alice and Red Queen Gin, Brisbane Drinks of choice: Ken: Black Haze stout infused with egg nog, Sundance Surprise, Ritual and Ceremonies Gavin: Black Hops Goat hazy IPA, Buffalo Trace on the rocks, barrel aged Negroni Just a reminder you can support the show by giving it 5 stars on iTunes or Stitcher. And don't forget if you want to help pay off the audio equipment... or buy the guys a drink, you can also donate at Patreon, plus you get extra podcast episodes! Lastly, don't forget to subscribe so you get the latest Diplomacy Games episodes straight to your phone. Thanks as always to Dr Dan aka "The General" for his rockin' intro tune.
Judy Ikels is the recipient of one Meritorious Award and three Superior Honor Awards from the Department of State. She received the 2017 Champion of Career Enhancement Award from the Associates of the American Service Worldwide. After 28 years service, in 2019, she was honored with the Director General of the Foreign Service Cup awarded annually to one Civil Service employee "for devotion to duty, outstanding leadership, creative innovation, and tireless pursuit of what is right." Judy has lived and worked in Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador, Greece, Mexico, and Venezuela; and speaks Spanish and Portuguese.Judy recently published "Death in Wartime China: A Daughter's Discovery" a book about her father's service in WWII. It is in that capacity that I had the pleasure of speaking with her. It was on a fateful day in 2016, a simple email from an interested stranger would uncover a world where her father continues to be revered as a hero. Judy would board a plane to Kunming, China, where her father is honored with a mountain memorial that heralds the bravery of a man who sacrificed his life to save his entire B 24 Liberator crew during the China Burma India conflict of World War Two. This journey would welcome her to the country as the daughter of an important hero and lead her to create the new book” death in wartime China, a daughter's discovery,”.Remember to subscribe, rate, and review Eyewitness History.Follow the Show on Social Media!Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EyewitnessHistoryTwitter: https://twitter.com/EyewitnessPodThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5351305/advertisement
Join co-hosts Annie Liontas and Lito Velázquez in conversation with LitFriends Lucy Corin & Deb Olin Unferth about their travels in the Sahara, ancient chickens, disappointments, true love, and why great books are so necessary. Our next episode will feature Melissa Febos & Donika Kelly, out December 22, 2023. Links Libsyn Blog www.annieliontas.com www.litovelazquez.com https://www.lucycorin.com https://debolinunferth.com LitFriends LinkTree LitFriends Insta LitFriends Facebook Transcript Annie Lito (00:00.118) Welcome to Lit Friends! Hey Lit Friends! Lito: Welcome to the show. Annie: Today we're speaking with Lucy Corin and Deb Olin Unferth, great writers, thinkers, and LitFriend besties. Lito: About chickens, the Sahara, and bad reviews. Annie: So grab your bestie Annie & Lito: And get ready to get lit! Lito: You know those like stones that you can get when you're on like a trip to like Tennessee somewhere or something, they're like worry stones? Like people used to like worry them with their thumb or something whenever they had a problem and it would like supposedly calm you down. Well, it's not quite the same thing, but I love how Deb describes her and Lucy's relationship is like, “worry a problem with me.” Like let's, let's cut this gem from all the angles and really like rub it down to its essential context and meaning and understanding. And I think essentially that's what like writers, great writers, offer the world. They've worked through a problem and they have answers. There's not one answer, there's not a resolution to it, but the answers that lead to better, more better questions. Annie: Yeah, and there's something so special about them because they're, worry tends to be something we do in isolation, almost kind of worrying ourselves into the ground. Lito: Right. Annie: But they're doing it together in collaboration. Lito: It's a collaborative worry. Yes, I love that. Annie: A less lonely worrying. Lito: It's a less lonely place to think through these things. And the intimacy between them is so special. The way I think they just weave in and out of their lives with each other, even though they're far away from each other. I think there's a romantic notion that you're tuned into about Lucy and Deb's trip to the desert. Do you want to say something about that? There's a metaphor in it that you really love, right? Annie: (1:52) Yeah. Well, so I remember when we first talked about doing this podcast and invited them, we were at a bar at AWP, the writer's conference. And they were like, oh, this is perfect. We just went to the Sahara together. And I was like, what? You writers just decided to take a trip together through the desert? And they said, yeah, it was perfect. And they have adorable photos, which we of course are going to share with the world. Um, but it felt like such a, I mean, the fact that they would go on that kind of adventure together and didn't really plan ahead, I think it was just Deb saying, I really want to go to the desert. And Lucy saying, sure, let's go. Which feels very much a kind of metonym of their friendship in some ways. Lito: Absolutely. Annie: (2:42) Yeah. That they wandered these spaces together. They come back to art, right? Art is a way for them to recreate themselves and recreate their friendship. And they're doing such different things on the page. Lito: Oh yeah, no, they're very different writers but they do share a curiosity that's unique I think in their friendship, then unique to them. Annie: Yeah and a kind of rigorousness and a love for the word. Lito: (3:10) Oh and a love for thinking and reading the world in every capacity. Annie: Tell me about your friendship with Lucy because you're quite close. Lito: I was at UC Davis before it was an MFA program. It was just a Master's. After undergrad, I went to the master's program because I wasn't sure if I wanted to be an academic or do the studio option and get an MFA. I loved how Lucy and the other professors there, Pam Houston, Yiyun Li, showed us the different ways to be a writer. They couldn't be more different, the three of them. And, I particularly was drawn to Lucy because of her sense of art and play and how those things interact. Lito: (03:59) And here was someone that was extremely cerebral, extremely intelligent, thinking through every aspect of existence. And yet it was all done through the idea of play and experimentation, but not experimentation in that sort of like negative way that we think of experimentation, which is to say writing that doesn't work, but experimentation in the sense of innovation. And. Lucy brought out my sense of play. I got it right away, what she was going for, that there is an intellectual pleasure to the work of reading and writing that people in the world respond to, but don't often articulate. Lucy's able to articulate it, and I admire her forever for that. Lito: (4:52) And perhaps I'm not speaking about our friendship, but it comes from a place of deep admiration for the work that she does and the way she approaches life. You have a special relationship with Deb. I would love to hear more about that. Annie: (5:04) Yeah, I think I've been fangirling over Deb for years. Deb is such a special person. I mean, she's incredibly innovative and has this agility on the page, like almost no other writer I know. Also quite playful, but I love most her humanity. Deb is a vegan who, in Barn 8, brings such life to chickens in a way that we as humans rarely consider. There's an amazing scene which she's like with a chicken 2000 years into the future. Also, I know Deb through my work with Pen City, her writing workshop with incarcerated writers at the Connally Unit, a maximum security penitentiary in Southern Texas. Lito: How does that work? Is it all by letter or do you go there? Annie: (5:58) Well, the primary program, you know, the workshop that Deb teaches is on site, and it's certified. So students are getting, the incarcerated writers, are getting now college credit because it's an accredited program. So Deb will be on site and work with them directly. And those of us who volunteer as mentors, the program has evolved a little bit since then, (06:22) but it's kind of a pen pal situation. So I had a chance to work with a number of writers, some who had been there for years and years. And a lot of folks are writing auto-fiction or fiction that's deeply inspired by the places they've lived and their experiences. It's such a special program, it's such a special experience. And what I saw from Deb was just this absolute fierceness. You know, like Deb can appear to be fragile in some ways (06:53.216), and it's her humanity, but actually there's this solid steel core to Deb, and it's about fortitude and a kind of moral alignment that says, we need to do better. Lito: We have this weird connotation with the word fragile that it's somehow bad, but actually, what it means is that someone's vulnerable. And to me, there is no greater superpower than vulnerability, especially with art, and especially in artwork that is like what she does at the penitentiary. But, can I ask a question? Annie: Sure. Lito: Why is it so special working with incarcerated folks? Annie: (7:27) Oh, that's a great question. I mean, we need its own podcast to answer it. Lito: Of course, but just sort of the... Annie: I think my personal experience with it is that so many incarcerated writers have been disenfranchised on all levels of identity and experience. Voting rights, decent food, accommodations, mental health, physical, you know, physical well-being. And we can't solve all those problems necessarily, at least all at once, and it's an up, it's a constant battle. But nothing to me offers or recognizes a person's humanity like saying, "tell us your story. Tell us what's on your mind. We are here to hear you and listen." And those stories and they do come out, you know, there have been other programs that have done this kind of work, they get out in the world and there's, we're bridging this gap of people we have almost entirely forgotten out of absolute choice. (8:27) And Deb is doing that work, really, I mean she's been doing that work for a long time and finally got some recognition for it, but Deb does it because she's committed. Lito: That is really powerful. Tell us your story. Tell us your story, Lit Fam. Tell us your story. Find us in all your social media @LitFriendsPodcast or email us at LitFriendsPodcast@gmail.com Annie: We will read all your stories. We'll be right back with Lucy and Deb. Lito: (09:00) And now, our interview with Lucy Corrin and Deb. Lucy Corin is the author of two short story collections, 100 Apocalypses and Other Apocalypses and The Entire Predicament, and two novels, Everyday Psychokillers and The Swank Hotel. In addition to winning the Rome Prize, Lucy was awarded a fellowship in literature from the NEA. She is a 2023 Guggenheim Fellow and a professor of English in the MFA program at UC Davis. Annie: Deb Olin-Unferth is the author of six books, including Barn 8, and her memoir, Revolution: The Year I Fell in Love and Went to Join the War, which was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award. Deb is an associate professor in creative writing at the University of Texas at Austin. She founded and runs Pen City Writers, a two-year creative writing certificate program at Connally, a maximum security prison in southern Texas. For this work, she was awarded the 2017 Texas Governor's Criminal Justice Service Award. Lito: (09:58) Annie and I thought this up a year ago, and we were talking about what is special about literary friendships and how writing gets made, not as we all think, totally solitary in our rooms alone, but we have conversations, at least I think this way. They're part of long conversations with our friends, our literary friends and living and dead, and you know, all times, in all times of history. But the idea here is that we get to talk to our literary friends and people we admire and writers who are close friends with each other and friendships in which literature plays a large role. Annie: (10:37) Yeah, and I'll just add that when we first floated the idea of this podcast, you know, your names came up immediately. We're so in awe of you as people and practitioners and literary citizens, and we love your literary friendship. I mean, I really hold it dear as one of the best that I know of personally. Lucy, I think of you as, you know, this craftsperson of invention who's always trying to undo what's been done and who's such an amazing mentor to emerging writers. And Deb, you know, I'm always returning to your work to see the world in a new way, to see something I might have missed. And I just, I'm so moved by your generosity in your work and in your life's work with Penn City and elsewhere, which I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk more about. Annie: (11:30) But I think I recall the first day I realized how close the two of you were when Deb told me that you all were taking a trip to the Sahara. And I was like, oh, of course, like, of course, they're going to have desert adventures together. Like, this makes so much sense. So I hope we'll, you know, we'll talk more about that too. Annie (11:53) But we're so grateful to have you here and to have you in our lives. And we're going to ask you some questions to get to know a little bit more about you. Deb: Sounds great. Lucy: Thanks. Deb: It's great to be here. It's really great to see everybody. Lito: Thank you so much for being here. Deb, will you tell us about Lucy? Deb: (12:16) I mean, Lucy's just one of my very favorite people. And I feel like our friendship just started really slowly and just kind of grew over a period of many years. And some of the things that I love about Lucy is she is, well, of course, she's a brilliant genius writer. Like, I mean, no one writes weird like Lucy writes weird and no one writes like more emotionally, and more inventively and some of her books are some of my favorite books that have ever been written. Especially her last two books I think have just been such just major literary accomplishments and I just hold them so dear. (13:05) And as a friend some things that I really love about her is that she will worry a problem with me that's just bugging me about like literary culture or about writing or about, you know, just it could be anything about aesthetics at all. And then she'll literally talk to me about it for like five or six days straight without stopping. Like we'll just constantly, dinner after dinner, like, you know, if we're on a trip together, just like all day, like I'll wake up in the morning and I'll be like, here's another piece of that pie. And then she'll say, oh, and I was thinking, and then we'll like go off and work and then we'll come back at lunch and be like, "and furthermore," you know? And by the end, I remember at one point we were doing this and she said, this is a very interesting essay you're writing. And of course, like it wasn't an essay at all, but it was just like a way of thinking about the way that we were talking. (14:06) And then she is hilarious and delightful and just like so warm. I don't know, I just love her to pieces. She's just one of my favorite people in the whole world. I could say more, but I'll stop right there for a minute. Annie: Lucy, tell us about Deb. Lucy: (14:24) Yeah, I mean, Deb, I mean, the first thing, I mean, the first thing you'll notice is that Deb is sort of effortlessly enthusiastic about the things that she cares about. And that's at the core of the way that she moves through the world and the way that she encounters people and the way that she encounters books. (14:44) I'm more reserved, so I'll just preface what I'm going to say by saying that like, my tone might not betray my true enthusiasms, but I'll try to list some of the things that I think are special and extraordinary about my friend Deb. One is that there's this conversation that never stops between the way that she's thinking about her own work and the way that she's thinking about the state of the world and the way that she's thinking about the very specific encounters that she's having in daily life. And so like moving through a conversation with Deb or moving through a period of time with Deb in the world, those things are always in flux and in conversation. So it's a really wonderful mind space to be in, to be in her presence. (15:35) The other thing is that she's like the most truly ethical person that I am close to and in the sense that like she thinks really hard about every move she makes. The comparison I would make is like you know Deb is like at the core like, the first thing you might notice about Deb's work is that she's a stylist, that she works sentence by sentence and that she always does. But then the other thing she does is that she's always thinking hard about the world and the work, that it never stays purely a love of the sentence. The love of the sentence is part of the love of trying to understand the relationship between words and the world. (16:15) And, and they're both an ethics. I think it's an ethics of aesthetics and an ethics of trying to be alive in as decent way as you can manage. And so those things feed into the friendship where she's one of the people who I know will tell me what she really thinks about something because we can have a baseline of trust where then you can talk about things that are either dangerous or you might have different ideas about things or you may have conflict. (16:47) But because of my sense of who she is as a person, and also who she is with me, we can have challenging conversations about what's right about how to behave and what's right about how to write. And that also means that when the other parts of friendship, which are just like outside of literature, but always connected, which, you know, about your own, you know, your other friendships, your, the rest of your life, your job, your family, things like that, that you wanna talk about with your friends. Yeah, I don't know anybody better to sort through those things than Deb. And it's in part because we're writers, and you can't separate out the questions that you're having about the other parts of your life from who you're trying to be as a writer. And that's always built into the conversation. Annie: (17:40) I knew we asked you here for a reason. Lito: We'll be right back. Lito (17:58) Back to the show. Annie: I'm hearing you, you know, you're both, you're sort of really seeing one another, which is really lovely. You know, you're, Deb, you're talking about Lucy wearing a problem with you, which I think conveys a kind of strength and... Of course, like I'm quite familiar with Deb's like strong moral anchors. I think we all are and truly respect, but I'm just wondering, what do you most admire about your friend? What do you think they give to the world in light of this portrait that you've given us? Deb: (18:28) Lucy is a very careful thinker, and she's incredibly fair. And I've just seen her act, just behave that way and write that way for so many years and it just the quality of it always surprises me. Like I mean, there was a writer, most recently there was a writer who's been cancelled, who we have spent an enormous amount of time talking about and trying to figure out just exactly what was going on there. And I felt like Lucy had insights into what had happened and what it was like on his end and what about his culture could have influenced what happened. Just all of these things that were. (19:36.202) It was so insightful and I felt like there's no way that I could have moved that moved forward that many steps in my understanding of what had happened. And in my own like how I was going to approach what had happened. Like there's no way I could have done that without that just constant just really careful thought and really fair thought. Just like trying to deeply understand. Like Lucy has an emotional intelligence that is just completely unparalleled. That's one thing I really love about her. Another thing is that she's like up for anything. Like when I asked her to go to the Sahara with me, I mean, she said yes in like, it was like not even 12 seconds. It was like 3 seconds, I think, that she was like, yeah. Annie: You need a friend who is just gonna go to the Sahara. Lucy: Deb, I don't even know if you actually invited me. The way I remember it is that you said something like, Lucy, no one will go to the Sahara with me. And I said, I would go to the Sahara with you. Lito: That is lovely. Lucy: (20:53) It's in Africa, right? Lito: Was there something specific about the Sahara that you need to go over for? Deb: Yeah, I mean, there was. It's a book I'm still working on, hopefully finishing soon. But it's mostly it's like...I just always wanted to go to the Sahara. My whole life, I wanted to go to Morocco, I wanted to go to the Sahara, I wanted to be surrounded by just sand and one line. You look in 360 degrees and you just see one line. I just wanted to see what that was like so badly, stripping everything out, coming down to just that one element of blue and beige. I just wanted that so much. And I wanted to know that it just went on and on and on and on. (21:48) Yeah, and you know, people talk a big talk, but most people would not go. And so at one point I was just kind of rallying, asking everyone. And then Lucy happened to be in town and I just mentioned to her that this is happening. And then she said, yeah, and then we went for like a long time. Like we went to Morocco for like over three weeks. Like we went for like a month. Lucy: A month. Deb: Yeah, crazy. But she's always like that. Like whatever I want to do, she's just up for it. I mean, and she called me up and she's like, hey, we want to come to Austin and like, go to this place that's two hours from Austin where you can see five million bats, right? Five million bats? Or was it more? Was it like 20 million? Lucy: That's right. Deb: It was like 20 million bats and a lot of them are baby bats. It's like mama bats and baby bats. Lucy: Yeah, like it's more when there's the babies. Deb: (22:46) And yeah, and you were like, I want to come with them as the babies. Yeah, we like went and she just like came and Andrea came, and it was just absolutely beautiful. Lucy: Well, you were just right for that adventure. I knew you would want to see some bats. Lucy: Well, I could I could say a couple of more things about what Deb gives the world. Annie: Sure. Love it. Lucy: So some of the things that Deb gives the world and though when I listen to you talking about me, I realized why these things are so important to me, is that you have a very steady sense of who you are and a kind of confidence in your instincts. That I know that some of the ways that I worry things through are really productive and some of them are just an ability to see why I could be wrong all the time, and that can stymie me. (23:48) And one of the things that I love about you and the model that you provide for me in my life is an ability to understand what your truth is and not be afraid to hold onto it while you're thinking about other people's perspectives, that you're able to really tell the difference between the way that other people think about things and the way that you do. And it doesn't mean that you don't rethink things, you constantly are, but when you have a conviction, you don't have a problem with having a conviction. And I admire it enormously. And I think it allows you to have a kind of openness to the world and an openness to people who are various and different and will challenge you and will show you new things because you have that sense that you're not gonna lose yourself in the wind. Deb: Mmm. That's really nice. Lito: I am in awe of everything you've said about each other. And it makes me think about how you first met each other. Can you tell us that story? And why did you keep coming back? What was the person like when you first met? And why did you keep coming back to each other? Do you want to tell Lucy? Lucy: Yeah, I'll start and you can add what I'm missing and... (25:06) tell a different origin story if you want. But I think that what we might've come to for our origin story is that it was one of the, one of the early &Now Festivals. And the &Now Festival is really great. Lito: Could you say what that is? Yeah, say a little bit about what that is. Luch: Oh, it's a literary conference that was started to focus on small press and more innovative—is the term that they used at the time anyhow—innovative writing as a kind of response to the market-driven culture of AWP and to try to get people who are working more experimentally or more like on the edge of literary culture less mainstream and give them a place to come together and have conversations about writing and share their work. So it was one of the early ones of those. But I think it was, I think we figured out that there were like, yeah, there were three women. It was me, you, and Shelley Jackson. But it was, there were not that many women at this conference at the time. And we were, and I think we were noting, noting our solidarity. Yeah. And that, that's what. That's like some of the first images. But I knew we were like aware of each other because in some ways we have tended to be up for the same jobs—Deb gets them—up for the same prizes—Deb gets them first, I'll get them later. And so I see her as somebody who's traveling through the literary world in ways that are... I mean, we're very different writers, but as people... You know what I mean? But I still... We still actually...come from a lot of the same literary roots. And so it makes sense that there's something of each other in the work that makes us appeal to overlapping parts of the literary world. Deb: Yeah, I definitely think that there was in our origins, not only do we come from the same sort of influences, and just things that we admired and stuff, but I also feel like (27:28.018) a lot of our early work would have appealed more easily to the exact same people. As we've gotten older, our work isn't quite as similar. We're a little more different than we used to be. But there's still enough there that, you know, you can see a lot of the same people admiring or liking it. But I was remembering that first time that we met, you playing pool. And we were, so we were like at a bar and you were like, and you were playing pool, and you had like just had a book out with FSG, I think, or something. I don't know if I even had— Lucy: FC2. Very different. Deb: FC2. That's right. FC2. And the FC2 editor was there. And I don't think I even had a book out. I don't remember what year this was. But I don't think I had any kind of book out. All I had was I had nothing, you know. And I was just so in awe of FC2 and the editor there, and you there, and like you could play pool, and I can't play pool at all. And it was just, it was— Annie: Lucy's so cool. Yeah, she was cool. She was cool. And Shelly Jackson was cool. And it was like all the cool people were there and I got to be there, and it was great. And then, yeah, and then I think how it continued, I don't know how it continued, we just kind of kept running into each other and just slowly it built up into a really deep friendship. Like at some point you would come through town and stay with me. (29:25.782) And we moved, we both moved around a lot. So for a while there, so we kind of kept running into each other in different places. We've never lived in the same place. Lucy: No, never. Lito: How have you managed that then? Is it always phone or is it texting, phone calls? Lucy: Well, we'll go through a spate of texting. Deb: Yeah, we do both. I think I like to talk on the phone. Lucy: Yeah, I will talk on the phone for Deb. Annie: The mark of a true friendship. Lito: (30:01) Time for a break. Annie Lito (30:12.43) We're talking with Lucy Corin and Deb Olin Unferth. Lito: How has literature shaped your friendship then? Despite being cool. What kind of books, movies, art do you love to discuss? You can name names. What do you love talking about? Deb: Well, I remember the moment with Donald Barthelme. Lucy: That was what I was gonna say. Deb: No, you go ahead. Lucy: Well, why don't? Deb: Oh, okay, you can tell it. Lucy: I mean, I'll tell part and then you can tell part. It's not that elaborate, but we were, one of the things that Deb and I do is find a pretty place, rent a space, and go work together. And one time we were doing that in Mendocino and Deb was in the late stages of drafting Barn 8 and really thinking about the ancient chickens and the chickens in an ancient space. And we went for a walk in one of those very ferny forests, and Deb was thinking about the chickens and among the giant ferns. And I don't know how it happened, but Deb said something with a rhythm. And we both said to each other the exact line from Donald Barthelme's "The School" that has that rhythm. (31:34) Is that how you remember it though? You have to tell me if that's how you remember it. Deb: That's exactly how I remember it. Yeah. And then we like said a few more lines. Like we knew even... Lito: You remember the line now? Lucy: I mean, I don't... You do. If you said it, I could do it. I'm just... I was thinking before this, I'm like, oh God, I should go look up the line because I'm not going to get it right, like under pressure. It was just in the moment. It came so naturally. Deb: It was one of those lines that goes... (32:03) Da da da-da da, da da da-da-da. There's a little parenthetical, it's not really in parentheses in the story, but it might be a little dash mark. But it has, it's something like, "I told them that they should not be afraid, although I am often afraid." I think it was that one. Deb: I am often afraid. Yeah. And then it was like, we just both remembered a whole bunch of lines like from the end, because the ending of that story is so amazing. And it's, so the fact that we had both unconsciously memorized it and could just like. And it was something about just like walking under those giant trees and having this weekend together. And like we're like marching along, like calling out lines from Donald Barthelme. And it just felt really like pure and deep. Annie: It's I mean, I can't imagine anything sounding more like true love than spontaneously reciting a line in unison from Barthelme. And, you know, you both are talking about how your work really converged at the start and that there are some new divergences and I think of you both as so distinct you know on and off the page. There's like the ferociousness of the pros and an eye towards cultural criticism and I always think of you as writing ahead of your time. So I'm just wondering how would you describe your lit friends work to someone, and is there something even after all this time that surprises you about their writing or their voice? Lucy: I mean, what surprised me recently about Deb's voice is its elasticity. I came to love the work through the short stories and the micros. And those have such a distinct, wry kind of distance. They sort of float a little separate from the world, and they float a little separate from the page. (34:10) And they have a kind of, they have a very distinct attitude and tone, even if the pieces are different from each other, like as a unit. And that's just really different than the voice that you get in a book like Barn 8 that moves through a lot of different narrators, but that also has just a softer relationship with the world. Like it's a little more blends with the world as you know, it doesn't stay as distant. And I didn't know that until later. Vacation is also really stark and sort of like has that distinctiveness from the world. And so watching Deb move into, you know, in some ways like just more realistic, more realistic writing that's still voice-centered and that still is music centered was a recent surprising thing for me. But I'm also really excited about what I've read in the book that in the new book because I think that new book is sort of the pieces that the bits that I've read from it are they're marking a territory that's sort of right down the middle of the aesthetic poles that Deb's work has already hit I mean the other thing is that you know Deb does all the genres. All of the prose genres. Every book sort of is taking on it is taking on a genre And the next one is doing that too, but with content in a way that others have been taking on new genres and form. And so... Lito: I love that. And I like that it's related to the music of the pros and sound. I feel like musicians do that a lot, right? There's some musicians that every album is a new genre or totally different sound. And then there's artists who do the same thing over and over again. We love both those things. Sorry, so Deb... Deb: So I love how complicated Lucy can get with just an image or an idea. I just feel like no one can do it the way that she can do it. And my like her last in her last book, which I love so much, we're just brought through all these different places and each one is sort of (36:31.29) dragging behind it, everything that came before, so that you can just feel all of this like, pressure of like the past and of the situations and like even like a word will resonate. Like you'll bring like, there's like a word on maybe page like 82 that you encountered on like page 20 that like the word meant so much on page 20 that it like really, you can really feel its power when it comes on page 80. And you feel the constant like shifting of meaning and just like the way that the prose is bringing so much more and like it's like reinterpreting that word again and again and again, just like the deeper that you go, like whatever the word is be it you know house or home or stair or um you know sex, whatever it is, it's like constantly shifting. (37:40.952) And that's just part of like who Lucy is, is this like worrying of a problem or worrying of a word and like carrying it forward. And so yeah, so like in that last book, it just was such a big accomplishment. And I felt like it was like her best work yet. Lucy: So I will say, try and say something a little bit more specific, then. (38:09) Like I guess in the sort of 10 stories that I teach as often as possible in part because I get bored so easily that I need to teach stories that I can return to that often and still feel like I'm reading something that is new to me is the title story from Wait Till You See Me Dance and that story is a really amazing combination of methodical in its execution, which sounds really dull. But what it does is sort of toss one ball in the air and then toss another ball in the air and then toss another ball in the air. And then, you know, the balls move, but you know, the balls are brightly colored and they're handled by a master juggler. So it's methodical, but it's joyful and hilarious. And then, and then, and you don't And the other thing is that Deb's narrators are wicked and like they're wicked in the way that like… They are, they're willing to do and say the things that you secretly wish somebody would do and say. That's the same way that like, you know, in the great existential novels, you love and also worry about the protagonists, right? They're troubled, but their trouble allows them to speak truthfully because they can't help it. Or they can't help it when they're in the space of the short story. It's that like, you know, the stories are able to access—a story like this one and like many of Deb's—are able to access that really special space of narrator, of narration, where you get to speak, you get to speak in a whisper. Annie: You get to speak in a whisper. That's beautiful, Lucy. You get to speak in a whisper. Lito: We'll be right back. Lito: (40:15) Welcome back. Annie: I'm wondering about what this means, you know, how this crosses over to your own personal lives, right? Because of course, literary friendships, we're thinking about the work all of the time. But we're also, you know, when I think of my literary friendship with Lito, I think of him as like a compatriot and somebody who's really carrying me through the world sometimes. I'm wondering if there was for either of you, a hard time that you went through personally, professionally, you know, whether it's about publishing or just getting words on the page or something, you know, um, you know, family related or whatever, where you, um, you know, what it meant to have a literary friend nearby at that time. Lucy: I mean that's the heart of it. Deb: Yeah, I mean for sure. Lucy: One happened last week and I'm sort of still in the middle of it where you know my literary mentor is aging and struggling and so that's painful for me and who gets that? Deb gets that. The other one, the other big one for me was that the release of my last novel was really complicated. And it brought up a lot of, it intersected with a lot of the things going on in my family that are challenging and a lot of things that are going on in the literary world that are challenging. There were parts of that release that were really satisfying and joyful, and there were parts of it that were just devastatingly painful for me. And, you know, Deb really helped me find my way through that. And it was a lot, like it was a lot of emotional contact and a lot of thinking through things really hard and a lot of being like, "wait, why do we do this? But remember, why do we do this?" And Deb was the person who could say, "no, you're a novelist." Like things that like I was doubting, Deb could tell me. And the other thing is that I would come closer to being able to believe those things because she could tell them to me. Annie: Lucy, can you talk a little more about that? Like what did that? (42:27.126) What did that look like, right? Like you talked about resistance to phone calls, and you're not in the same place. Lucy: It was phone. Right, it would be phone or it would be Zoom or it would be texting. And then, you know, when we would see each other that would be, we would reflect on those times in person even though that wasn't those immediate moments of support and coaching and, you know, wisdom. Annie: And that requires a kind of vulnerability, I think, that is hard to do in this industry, right? And I'm just wondering if that was new for you or if that was special to this friendship, right? Or like what allowed for that kind of openness on your part to be able to connect with Deb in that way? Lucy: I mean, I think I was just really lucky that we've had, like even though we have really, I think, only noticed that we were close since that Morocco trip. Like that was a little bit of a leap of faith. Like, "oh my gosh, how well do I know this person and we're gonna travel together in like circumstances, and do we really know each other this way?" But the combination of the years that we've known each other in more of a warm acquaintance, occasional, great conversation kind of way towards being somebody that you, that you trust and believe and that you have that stuff built in. And, you know, that over the years you've seen the choices that they've made in the literary world, the choices they've made in their career, when they, you know, everything from, you know, supporting, you know, being a small, being small press identified and championing certain kinds of books over other kinds of books. And like those, just like watching a person make choices for art that you think are in line with the writer that, watching her make choices in art that are in line with the writer that I wanna be in the world makes it so that when you come to something that is frightening, that's the kind of person you wanna talk to because she's done that thinking. Deb: Yeah, I mean, I feel like there are like so many things that I could say about that. Like one thing is that the kind of time that I spend with Lucy is really different from the kind of time that I spend with most people. Like most people, (44:51) they come to town and I have dinner with them. Or I go to like AWP or whatever and we go out for dinner. Or maybe I spend like one night at their house like with their partner and kid or something, you know. But Lucy and I, we get together and we spend like four days or something all alone, just the two of us, you know, or a month or whatever. And we don't spend a ton of time with other people. And so there's, but then we also do that, but just like not very much. And so there is something that just creates, like that's a really good mode for me. It's a, that's like the way that I make really deep friendships that are kind of like forever-people in my life. And I've always been like that. And so, but not a lot of people are willing to sort of do that with me. Like, I have so many acquaintances, I've got like a million, I feel like I could have dinner with someone just about any night, as long as it's only like once every few months or something, you know, but I don't have people who are willing to be this close to me, like spend that kind of time with me one-on-one. And the fact is like, they're not that many people that I really feel like doing that with. And you know, every time Lucy and I do one of these, I just come away feeling like I thought about some really important things and I talked about some really important things and I saw some beautiful things because Lucy always makes sure that we're somewhere where we can see a lot of beauty. And so that just means so much to me. And it's like, and so for me it creates like a space where, Yeah, I can be honest and vulnerable, and I can also tell her, if I can tell her things that I don't tell other people, or I can be really honest with her if I feel like, if I'm giving her advice about something, I can just be honest about it. And so it's really, really nice. (47:07) I mean, the other thing is like, we're so similar. Like we've made so many similar life choices. And we've talked about that. Lucy and I have talked about that. Like, you know, we both chose not to have kids. We live pretty, like we're both like kind of loners, even though we have partners. Like I think our partners are more like, they just kind of would, they would prefer that we. I don't know, I shouldn't probably say anything, but I know that Matt would prefer if I was not quite as much of a loner as I am. Yeah, so I look at Lucy and I see the kind of person that I am, the kind of person I wanna be, so if I have a question, I mean, it happens. Lucy mentioned a couple of things. I have... You know, she's had some pretty major, major things. I have like little things that happen all the time, and they just like bring me to tears. Like there was this one moment during the pandemic when I was like driving across the country by myself. I was like in Marfa, and I was trying to get to California and I had like a toilet in the back seat. Remember when we were all doing that kind of thing? Lucy: It was really amazing. Deb: It was so crazy. Lucy: But Deb, not everybody had a toilet in their back seat. Annie: I know. I need that now. Deb: It still comes in handy. Annie: I'm sure. Deb: (48:43) And I was in, and yeah, Lucy is amazing. She'll talk to me on the phone, but Lucy will do because I love to talk on the phone and I love to Zoom. Lucy does not. So she'll tell me in advance, okay, I will talk to you, but it's gonna be for like 20 minutes or I'm gonna have to get off like pretty soon. But she Zoomed with me and Marfa and I just didn't realize how upset I was about this one rejection that I'd gotten. And it was a really small rejection, I don't know why it bothered me so much, but I just like started crying and like I was like way out in like so many miles from any so many hours from anyone I knew and you know the world was going to shit, and I'd gotten this like tiny rejection from a magazine like a little like I had it was the page was it was like a piece that was like a page long or something, and Lucy just like knew exactly why I I was so upset, and just was able to talk to me about what that meant to me. And just refocus me to like, "look, you don't have to write those. You don't have to be that writer. You don't have to do that." And it was so freeing to know that I didn't always have to be, I don't even know how to describe it, but it was meant a lot. And things like that happen all the time. Annie: (50:15.265) That's such a wonderful model of mutual support. Lucy: We'll be right back. Annie: Hi Lit Fam. We hope you're enjoying our conversation with Lucy Corin and Deb Olin Unferth, and their love for the word, the world, and each other. If you love what we're doing here at LitFriends, please take a moment now to follow, subscribe, rate, and review our podcasts on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Just a few minutes of your time will help us so much to continue to bring you great conversations like this week after week. Thank you for listening. Back to a conversation with Lucy Corin and Deb Olin Unferth. Annie: I'm also aware that we're working in an industry that's a zero-sum construct. And, you know, Lucy, you were sort of joking earlier about... Deb winning all of the awards that you later got. But I am curious, like, what about competition between literary friends when we're living in a world with basically shrinking resources? Lucy: I feel competition, but I don't really feel it with my literary friends. Does that make sense? Like, I'll feel it with my idea of somebody that I don't really know except for their literary profile, right? But when someone like Deb gets something, it makes the world seem right and true, right? And so that's not hard to bear, right? That's just a sign of a good thing in a world that you're afraid isn't so good. Deb: I guess I feel like if Lucy gets something, then that raises the chances that I'm gonna get something. I'm gonna get the same thing. Because if we're kind of in the same, like we both published with Grey Wolf, we both have the same editor, so we've multiple times that we've been on these trips, we've both been working on books that were supposed to come out with Graywolf with Ethan. (52:16.3) You know, so I feel like if Lucy gets something, then the chances go up. Like there was just, something just happened recently where Lucy was telling me that she had a little, like a column coming out with The Believer. And I was like, "oh my God, I didn't even know that they were back." I'm like, "man, I really wanna be in The Believer. Like, I can't believe like, you know, they're back and I'm not in them. I gotta be in it. I said that to Lucy on the phone. And then, like the very next day, Rita wrote me and said, "Hey, do you want to write something?" And so I wrote to Lucy immediately. I was like, did you write to Rita? And she was like, "no, I really didn't." So it's like, we're in the same— Did you, Lucy? Lucy: No, I didn't! Rita did that all by herself. Lito: You put it out into the universe, Deb. Annie: Lucy did it. Hot cut, Lucy did it! Deb: So we're like, we're like in the same, I feel a lot of the time like we're kind of in the same lane and so that really helps because like, I do have writer friends who are not in the same lane as me and maybe. Like I'm not as close, but maybe that would be, but if I was as close, maybe that would cause me more confusion. Like I would be like, you know, "geez, how can I get that too? Or it's hopeless, I'll never get that, you know? So I just don't do that thing," or something. So that's really comforting. Lito: What are your obsessions? Lucy: Well, I mean- Lito: How do they show up on the page? Lucy: I feel like it's so obvious with Deb that like, you know, Deb got obsessed with chickens, and there was a whole bunch of stuff about chickens. First there was a really smart, brilliant Harper's essay where she learned her stuff. And then there was the novel where she, you know, imagined out the chickens (54:19) to touch on everything, right? Annie: Then there was a chicken a thousand years in advance. Lucy: Right, and then there's a beautiful chicken art in the house, and there's, you know. And I'm sure that she's gotten way more chicken gifts than she knows what to do with. But then the Sahara, like, you know, she was obsessed with the Sahara and you'll see it in the next book. It's gonna be— It's not gonna be in a literal way, right? But it'll be like, you'll feel the sand, you'll feel that landscape. So I don't know, like I feel like the obsessions show up in the books. I mean, are there, I mean, this is a question like, Deb, do you think you have obsessions that don't show up in your work? We both have really cute little black dogs. Deb: (55:07) Oh, not really. I mean, but I do get obsessed. Like I just get so, so like obsessed in an unhealthy way. And then I just have to wait it out. I just have to like wait until I'm not obsessed anymore. And it's like an ongoing just I'm like, OK, here it comes. It's like sleeping over me. Like how many years of my life is going to be are going to be gone as a result of this? So I'm always like so relieved when I'm not in that space. Like Lucy's obsession comes down to that, with her language, that she's like exploring one idea, like she'll take an idea and she like worries that over the course of a whole book and that she'll just it's like almost like a cubist approach. She'll be like approaching it from so many different standpoints. And that is like, I mean, Lucy is so smart and the way that she does that is just so genius. And so I feel like that's the thing that really keeps drawing me to her obsessions, that keeps bringing me back to that page to read her work again and again. And yeah, and that's how she is in person too. Lito: Why do you write? What does it do for the world, if anything? Lucy: (56:37) I know I had a little tiny throat clear, but I think it was because I'm still trying to figure it out because I feel like the answer is different in this world order than it was in earlier world orders. Like when I first answered those questions for myself when I was deciding to make these big life choices and say, "you know, fuck everything except for writing," like I was answering, I was answering that question a different way than I would now, but I don't quite have it to spit out right now, except that I do think it has something to do with a place where the world can be saved. Like, writing now is a place of respite from the rest of the world where you can still have all of these things that I always assumed were widely valued, that feel more and more narrowly valued. And so I write to be able to have that in my life and to be able to connect with the other people who share those kinds of values that are about careful thinking, that are about the glory of the imagination, that are about the sanctity of people having made things. Annie: Lucy, I need that on my wall. I just need to hear that every day. Deb: I mean, I feel like if I can think about it in terms of my reading life, that like art changes my mind all the time. Like that's the thing that teaches me. Like I remember when I was a kid, and I lived right near the Art Institute of Chicago, and I remember going in, and they had the Jacob Lawrence immigration panels, migration panels up there that was like a traveling exhibition. And I had none of that information. I did not know about the Great Migration. I just didn't know any of that. So I just remember walking from panel to panel and reading and studying it, (58:47.952) reading it and studying it and just like getting like just getting just it was like a It was such a revelation and I just learned so much and like changed my mind about so many things just in that moment that it was like I'll never forget that. And I feel like I, I totally agree with Lucy that the reasons that I write now and the reasons that I read now are very different than they were like before, say 2015, or something. But that, that maybe it has its roots in that sort of Jacob Lawrence moment where, you know, just I read these things and it's, I like, I love sinking deep into books that are really changing my mind and like teaching me about the world in ways that I never could have imagined, and I love that so much and I… I don't know if I have that to offer, but I really try hard, you know. Like I tried that with the chicken book. I'm kind of trying that, I hope, in this book that I'm trying to finish and— ha finish!—that I'm trying to get through. And so I think that that's why I think that art is so important. I don't know if that's truly why I write though. I feel like why I write is that I've always written, and it's like I love it so much. Like I just, sometimes I hate it, sometimes I hate it for like a whole year or whatever, but it's just, it's so much a core of who I am. (01:00:39) And I just, I can't imagine my life any other way. It's just it's just absolutely urgent to me. Annie: Yeah, urgent. Yeah. I think we all feel that in some way. Annie:(01:01:04.374) Thank you both for talking to us a little bit about your friendship and getting to know a little bit more about how you started and where you're at now. We're going to move into the lightning round. Lito: Ooooo Lightning round. Annie: (01:01:16) Deb, who were you in seventh grade? Who was I in seventh grade? In one sentence, oh my God, the pressure is on. I was unpopular and looked, my hair was exactly the same as it is now. And I wore very similar clothes. Lucy: (01:01:44) I was a peer counselor, and so I was like the Don who held everybody's secrets. Lito: Beautiful. Lucy. Lucy: It saved me. Otherwise, I wouldn't have had a place in that world. Annie: Makes so much sense. Lito: Wow. Who or what broke your heart first, deepest? Lucy: I mean, I would just say my mom. Deb: I guess, then I have to say my dad. Annie: Okay, which book is a good lit friend to you? Deb: Can I say two? The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas by Gertrude Stein and The Known World by Edward P. Jones. Annie: Excellent. Lucy: My go-to is White Noise. Still. Sorry. Lito: No need to apologize. Lucy: Yep. Annie Lito (01:02:27) Who would you want to be lit friends with from any point in history? Lucy: For me it's Jane Bowles. Deb: Oh, whoa. Good one. She would be maybe a little difficult. I was gonna say Gertrude Stein, then I was like, actually, she'd be a little difficult. Lucy: What a jerk! Deb: I think Zora Neale Hurston would be fun. Lucy: Well, yeah, of course. For sure. Annie: We were gonna ask who your lit frenemy from any time might be, but maybe you've already said. Lucy: Oh, right. I accidentally said my lit frenemy instead of my lit friend. Annie: Yeah. Lucy: Mm-hmm. Deb: (01:03:08) A frenemy from any time? Annie: Any time. Yeah, it doesn't have to be Jonathan Franzen. I feel like most people will just be like Jonathan Franzen. But it could be any time in history. Deb: I mean, if you're gonna go that route, then it would probably be, um, like... Lito: Kierkegaard. Deb: I don't know, maybe Nietzsche? If you're gonna go that route, if you're gonna go like, like existential philosophers. Annie: (01:03:34) That's great. Lito: That could be a podcast too. Annie: Just like epic frenemy. The most epic frenemy. Lito: (01:03:35) Well, that's our show. Annie & Lito: Thanks for listening. Annie: We'll be back next week with our guests Melissa Febos and Donika Kelly. Lito: Find us on all your socials @LitFriendspodcasts Annie: And tell us about an adventure you've had with your Lit bestie. I'm Annie Liontas. Lito: And I'm Lito Velazquez. Annie: Thanks to our production squad. Our show was edited by Justin Hamilton. Lito: Our logo was designed by Sam Schlenker. Annie: Lisette Saldaña is our Marketing Director. Lito: Our theme song was written and produced by Roberto Moresca. Annie: And special thanks to our show producer Toula Nuñez. Lito: This was Lit Friends, Episode 2.
Jack completes the great round up and finds a double-feature including the incredible final chapter of "The New Triumpvirate". Fantasy Audio Drama at it's finest! Aermine tells of how she first met Pathurem Zett - the most powerful elf in the Known World, in her time of mating. The New Triumvirate is Book Two of The Giant Killers (Restorer) series by Conway Fitzgerald. Tia Aermine, our halvish-elf heroine, has lost everything she loved and cherished. Now she must carry on and accept the task of being The Last Thread of The Order. Though, the Druids and The Whispering Wood expect so much more from her and another short from Benjamin Peel where an actor finds herself drawn to the past whilst rehearsing a play with "Past Performance!" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jack completes the great round up and finds a double-feature including the incredible final chapter of "The New Triumpvirate". Fantasy Audio Drama at it's finest! Aermine tells of how she first met Pathurem Zett - the most powerful elf in the Known World, in her time of mating. The New Triumvirate is Book Two of The Giant Killers (Restorer) series by Conway Fitzgerald. Tia Aermine, our halvish-elf heroine, has lost everything she loved and cherished. Now she must carry on and accept the task of being The Last Thread of The Order. Though, the Druids and The Whispering Wood expect so much more from her and another short from Benjamin Peel where an actor finds herself drawn to the past whilst rehearsing a play with "Past Performance!" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The isle of Naath is unique and unlike anything we've seen in the Known World, populated by extreme pacifists. However, their island is naath for the faint of heart, as it is also populated by extremely poisonous butterflies. Bonus Eps & More - www.patreon.com/historyofwesteros Shirts & Stickers - historyofwesteros.threadless.com Nina: goodqueenaly.tumblr.com Sean's YouTube: bit.ly/3818H9X www.historyofwesteros.com
In todays MM, lets go back in history and hang out with the Great Augustine of Hippo in the year 430 A.D.To help us with our trip, our guide and author for today will be Thomas Cahill and his excellent book, How the Irish Saved CivilizationKey Points from the Episode:Who is this people called the Irish?The importance of Irish Monasticism and the importance of their scribes.Skellig Michael, a fascinating place for the monks to settle in the 6th century.Other resources: More goodnessGet our top book recommendations listWant to leave a review? Click here, and if we earned a five-star review from you **high five and knuckle bumps**, we appreciate it greatly, thank you so much!Because we care what you think about what we think and our website, please email David@teammojoacademy.com, or if you want to leave us a quick FREE, painless voicemail, we would appreciate that as well.Be sure to check out our very affordable Academy Review membership program at http:www.teammojoacademy.com/support
No punless man may sit the GGC-stone Chair... which is why Aziz of History of Westeros is helping us dive into the mind and history of the Iron Suitor himself, Victarion. Along with helping us unravel the mysteries of both Vic's mind and these new sights in the Known World, Aziz joins us for important, magical moments like, "Monkey shit rained down around them all, splat splat splat." Where to find Aziz: History of Westeros YouTube channel — https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiYwENpLDO4gyB4dBrMYrjQ HoW website — https://www.historyofwesteros.com/ HoW Twitter account — https://twitter.com/WesterosHistory HoW Facebook group — https://www.facebook.com/groups/historyofwesteros/ --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: www.liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage
Welcome to our Podcast #2,878! Here's a link to our Costa Rica Pura Vida Amazon Products Store! Happy Shopping! https://www.costaricagoodnewsreport.com/costaricaproductsamazon.html We appreciate your listening and hope you find the time to go through the 100's of episodes that we have recorded already. They're short, so listen to a few every day! I promise you will learn all you need to know about one of the happiest countries on the planet! Here's some links that will get you started in learning more about Costa Rica! You've GOT TO SEE our "Costa Rica Good News Report" Website: www.costaricagoodnewsreport.com If you're thinking about moving to Costa Rica, we can assist! Visit "Royal Palms Costa Rica Real Estate". . we are DEDICATED BUYER'S AGENTS. Check out our website at www.costaricaimmigrationandmovingexperts.com/buyersagent.html Here's our NEW Costa Rica Good News Report YouTube Channel. Over 500 Short, Entertaining Videos that will get you excited about Costa Rica: https://www.youtube.com/@thecostaricagoodnewsreport/videos Check out an amazing travel website catering to those travelers age 50 and over! Dozens of incredible expert contributors writing about so many destinations: https://www.travelawaits.com/ Here's our 1st contribution to the TravelAwaits website: https://www.travelawaits.com/2789789/questions-to-ask-if-thinking-about-retiring-in-costa-rica/ Here's a link to our 2nd article on the TravelAwaits website as promised: https://www.travelawaits.com/2798638/tips-for-driving-in-costa-rica/ Here's a link to our 3rd article on the TravelAwaits website: https://www.travelawaits.com/2794704/how-to-gain-residency-status-in-costa-rica/ Check out our NEW COSTA RICA LOVE STORIES! There's ONE THING BETTER than falling in love. . falling in love in COSTA RICA! Here's the link: https://www.costaricagoodnewsreport.com/lovestories.html So many GOOD-NEWS stories coming out of Costa Rica. We'd love to share them with all of you! Way over 100 stories ready right now. Learn all about one if the Happiest Countries on the Planet. . Costa Rica! Here's a link: https://vocal.media/authors/skip-licht Become a "COSTA RICA PURA VIDA" Brand Ambassador & Share the LIFESTYLE with EVERYONE! Here's the link: https://www.costaricagoodnewsreport.com/brandambassador.html --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/costa-rica-pura-vida/message
This series is sponsored by our friends Sarala and Danny Turkel.In this episode of the 18Forty Podcast, we talk to Liel Leibovitz and Lisa Ann Sandell about what happens when one partner wants to increase their religious practice.Liel grew up a secular Israeli, while Lisa was raised in a traditional home of loosening observance. When, eight years ago, Liel brought up the idea of keeping kosher, they realized they were moving in different directions. What first drew Liel toward growing religiosity? How did Lisa react to the changes in Liel's worldview and lifestyle? How are they able to run a home, marriage, and family together despite being on separate and dynamic paths? Tune in to hear a conversation about being a “helpmate,” someone who both challenges and uplifts their spouse.Interview begins at 11:21.Lisa Ann Sandell is the author of the young-adult books The Weight of the Sky, Song of the Sparrow, and A Map of the Known World. Liel Leibovitz is editor at large for Tablet Magazine and a host of its weekly culture podcast Unorthodox and daily Talmud podcast Take One.References:8 Minute DafTake One“Eli, the Fanatic” by Philip RothLincolnSin•a•gogue: Sin and Failure in Jewish Thought by David Bashevkin Daniel Deronda by George EliotHow the Talmud Can Change Your Life: Surprisingly Modern Advice from a Very Old Book by Liel LeibovitzIsaiah 54:10“Everlasting Love” by Rabbi Shlomo & Eitan Katz
This week, we have a special guest speaker from one of our sister churches in Southern California. Pastor John Lo finishes out our Jesus Known World Mandate weekend with a powerful message. Pastor John Lo and his wife Evelyn pastor Epicentre Church in Pasadena, CA which is a part of the greater Antioch Community Church movement of churches. ******************************************** This message is from Antioch Community Church in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Follow Antioch Ann Arbor on Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/antiocha2 Follow Antioch Ann Arbor on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/antiocha2 Follow Antioch Ann Arbor on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzZTjIEyt8aMnYqJZOt5vWw ******************************************* Music Credits: The Ground After A Summer Rain By At The End Of Times, Nothing
Pour cette épisode de décembre de La garde Et Vous, nous avons eu le plaisir d'accueillir Anudar, membre de Dune SF, la communauté de fan de la saga de Frank Herbert, Dune.Nous discuterons tout les deux de sa découverte de l'univers du Trône de Fer, du fait qu'il reste encore beaucoup de chose à découvrir sur The Known World mais aussi des liens hypothétiques ou avérés entre nos deux sagas.
Markos the Wolfbane, William Foxfall, and Vi begin their journey to the University...and all the adventures that await them in another corner of the Known World.Join us as you hear their story in The Oral History of the Chragan War.If you're enjoying following these episodes...please share them with your friends! If you'd like to support us and enjoy great bonus content...please become one of our Patrons on Patreon!https://www.patreon.com/thelongpastpodcastSupport the showSupport the show
BAPC x The Known World Reggie & Akili breakdown Edward P. Jones's canonical novel, The Known World. Join The Fellowship—BAPC's Patreon Community Follow BAPC on Instagram Shop BAPC's Bookshop
On this episode we talk with Timothy Brannan and how he has combined the Known World of Mystara with Greyhawk. You can find Timothy's blog here.
Laird Hunt is a 2013 Anisfield-Wolf Book Awards winner for “Kind One,” a haunting novel that explores a horrible and uncanny intimacy between slave and master, inspired by a passage in Edward P. Jones' “The Known World.” Hunt's story, which also was a finalist for the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction, tells of two sisters who turn tables on their mistress and take her captive after her Kentucky farmer husband dies. Booker Prize winner Michael Ondaatje said of Hunt's work, "There is always a surprise in the voice and in the heart of Laird Hunt's stories, with its echoes of habit caught in a timeless dialect, so we see the world he gives us as if new. 'You hear something like that and it walks out the door with you.'" Hunt joined The Asterisk* in July of 2022 via zoom from his home in Providence, R.I., where he is a professor of literary arts at Brown University. A former United Nations press officer, he was born in Singapore and educated at Indiana University and The Sorbonne in Paris.
Edward P. Jones spoke with Eleanor Wachtel in 2005 about his Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Known World. Set in the heartland of 19th-century American slavery, Jones creates an entire world based on what he calls a historical footnote: that there were freed slaves who themselves became slave owners.
The guys interview Tejas Patel, who is DARPA's the project lead for SHADE: an AI research initiative using Diplomacy to better understand the nuance of communication intent behind actions. Plus the guys games and how does a famous UK Diplomacy player get himself a novice rank in Australia's Diplomacy association. Intro The guys introduce the show, the venue and their drinks (0 mins 15 secs) They discuss getting how to get a French fleet into Tunis. Hint hint, they're wrong! (Spring 1901 MAR-GOL, PAR-MAR, NAP-TYR; Fall 1901 Convoy MAR-TUN (2 hrs 45 mins) Interview with Tejas Patel from DARPA The guys introduce their thoughts on the interview with Tejas Patel from DARPA - Defense Advanced Research Project Agency - and why our podcast wanted to talk to him (5 mins 35 secs) The interview begins with Amby asking Tejas why DARPA chose Diplomacy for the SHADE project and what the project is about (9 mins 10 secs) Amby asks how Tejas first discovered Diplomacy and when he realised Diplomacy could be used for what DARPA wanted to research (13 mins 30 secs) Kaner asks how communication takes place in the game and how AI is used (17 mins 45 secs) Amby reflects on the way communication is done and what he initially thought the research project was doing with communication and action taking. He asks why structured data communication rather than natural language communication was chosen for the research (20 mins 15 secs) Amby asks about the project management methodology approach being used in the research project (24 mins) Amby enquires whether the Diplomacy community may be engaged to help the project (26 mins) He goes onto ask about how the project team's experience with Diplomacy (28 mins) They discuss whether the Potomac Tea and Knife Society have had any engagement with the project (30 mins) They go onto talking about the desired project goals (31 mins) Amby asks how the project could inform policy making and its potential future use from a military perspective. Tejas responds about transparency and the opensource nature of the project (34 mins 30 secs) Kaner asks what does SHADE stand for. They go onto discuss other DARPA acronym project names (40 mins 15 secs) Tejas asks how the guys found out about SHADE, Amby mentions the Diplomacy/Shade article in Military + Aerospace Electronics magazine (42 mins) Amby asks how Tejas got employed by DARPA (44 mins 15 secs) Amby asks what are Tejas' favorite countries to play (45 mins 50 secs) Kaner enquires about the timelines for the project and the robot AI (46 mins 45 secs) Tejas says if you want to know more about DARPA to visit their website before the interview wraps up (49 mins 30 secs) The guys return and give their thoughts on the interview with Tejas (50 mins) Around the grounds Kaner asks Amby about his current games, spending his some talking about a standard Classic game he's bought into as Turkey (1 hr 4 mins 30 secs) They move onto a Known World 901 game of Kaner's that just finished where he was part of the draw, despite not being a strong power. He explains he got to that point (1 hr 15 mins 30 secs) Amby lets Kaner know the DAANZ (Diplomacy Association of Australia and New Zealand) master points have just been updated (1 hr 17 mins 30 secs) They discuss how Markus Zijlstra/CaptainMeme/DiploStrats managed to get in the DAANZ rankings as a novice player. Kaner goes onto discuss how Markus is interested in the next Bourse game, explaining how the Bourse game got unexpectedly wrapped up, with Amby being declared the Bourse winner (1 hr 23 mins) As a large group moved into where the guys were sitting, with all the extra noise they wrap up the show (1 hr 28 mins 30 secs) Venue: Leonard's, Brisbane Drinks of choice: Kaner: Ballistic IPA in Brisbane Amby: Parker Estate Cabernet Sauvignon from the Coonawarra in Victoria Just a reminder you can support the show by giving it 5 stars on iTunes or Stitcher. And don't forget if you want to help pay off the audio equipment... or get the guys more drunk, you can also donate at Patreon, plus you get extra podcast episodes! Lastly, don't forget to subscribe so you get the latest Diplomacy Games episodes straight to your phone. Thanks as always to Dr Dan aka "The General" for his rockin' intro tune.
The guys get into the new Bourse game, talk Amby's happy little accident, games and much much more. Intro & Diplomacy talk The guys introduce the show, the venue and their drinks (0 mins 15 secs) Bourse 2022 Kaner kicks off discussions on the new Bourse game he's adjudicating and Amby is playing. Kaner reminds listeners if they missed previous shows what a Bourse game is (5 mins 45 secs) They discuss pumping up the value of currencies (9 mins) Amby discusses how he's previously approached the start of earlier Bourse games and how his opening strategy has changed (11 mins) Kaner reflects on Amby having a commanding position in the Bourse game (21 mins 30 secs) After ordering some more drinks, Kaner shares with Amby about the adjudication and checking who bought what (22 mins 30 secs) Around the grounds & more Diplomacy talk Amby discusses the outcome of his Youngstown World War II game as Japan where he didn't expect at all to win, but somehow did (31 mins 45 secs) He goes onto reflect his strategy to try to win, but how he was constantly thwarted by England and Germany (36 mins) They discuss that it had an End of Game time limit and what happens when that is reached (38 mins 15 secs) The guys move onto Kaner's games focusing initially on his Known World 901 game which is coming to the tail end (44 mins 30 secs) They move onto his Europe Renovatio Winterkorn Bloodbath game (49 mins) Kaner discusses how borders are occupied or unoccupied in games (53 mins 15 secs) Amby advises he hasn't been able to get enough people to fill a board for a face to face game in Brisbane (56 mins) They talk about July as an option until they realise they're both away for big chunks of July, and discuss road trips (58 mins) Amby suggests Kaner playing a social game when he's in Victoria with his dad. Kaner talks stabbing his brother and his Dad playing Diplomacy in the navy (1 hr 4 mins 15 secs) They flag why there was no interview this episode (1 hr 8 mins 30 secs) They start wrapping up the show (1 hr 10 mins) Venue: Dr Gimlette's, Brisbane Drinks of choice: Kaner: Stone & Wood IPA Amby: An unknown McLaren Vale shiraz from South Australia Just a reminder you can support the show by giving it 5 stars on iTunes or Stitcher. And don't forget if you want to help pay off the audio equipment... or get the guys more drunk, you can also donate at Patreon, plus you get extra podcast episodes! Lastly, don't forget to subscribe so you get the latest Diplomacy Games episodes straight to your phone. Thanks as always to Dr Dan aka "The General" for his rockin' intro tune.
Mystara, the Known World, the Savage Coast, the Hollow World... classic DnD settings that we're going to talk about! You can do classic fantasy, you can do cursed pirates, and you can do crazy hollow earth dinosaur stories in one place!
Join us for session 0 of our first campaign. Jon will explain a little bit about "The Known World" and Anah, Dylan and Kyle will each introduce and discuss where they are wanting to go with their characters.
Peter Chadwick is a conservationist with a vast wealth of knowledge in both the marine and terrestrial worlds, ranging from law enforcement and reserve management, to conservation photography, wildlife ranger training and development, and even the intersection of conservation and human rights strategy and training. We chat to Peter about the world of marine rangers, the crucial role they play in protecting ecosystems, the challenges they face on a day-to-day basis, and what is being done to support these courageous men and women on the frontlines of conservation.
Today, Sarah welcomes Shawn Mooney on for an episode of My Life in Books. Shawn is a Canadian Booktuber and book reviewer who is based Japan, and loves to enthuse about underrated or forgotten pieces of literature. We hope you enjoy the episode! If there is someone you would like us to interview for My Life in Books, please let us know!This episode is fully transcribed. The episode transcript should be accessible from within your podcasting app or directly from Buzzsprout. Shawn's links Shawn's booktube channelInstagram: @shawnthebookmaniacTwitter: @shawnmooneyLitsy: @shawnmooney Sarah appearing on Shawn's channelBooks mentionedDo Not Say We Have Nothing by Madeleine Thien A Constellation Of Vital Phenomena by Anthony Marra Anthony Marra's short story collectionsThe Tsar of Love and Techno and The Lion's DenMercury Pictures Presents by Anthony Marra [release expected in July 2022]The Known World by Edward P JonesThe Erratics by Vicki Laveau-Harvie [this is the one Sarah couldn't remember the name of!]The One Who Did Not Ask by Altaf FatimaA Brief History Of Seven Killings by Marlon JamesThe Yield by Tara June Winch Some Tame Gazelle by Barbara Pym A Glass of Blessings by Barbara PymNo Fond Return of Love by Barbara PymPeople and things mentionedBritta Böhler Book Riot podcast The Readers podcast [no longer making episodes]LitsySimon SavidgeEric Karl AndersonReading Envy podcastBooks on the Go podcastSupport The Bookcast ClubYou can support the podcast on Patreon. Our tiers start at £2 a month. Rewards include early access to the podcast, monthly bonus episodes, tailored book recommendations and books in the post. If you would like to make a one-off donation you can do so on our website. A free way to show your support is to mention us on social media, rate us on Spotify or review us on iTunes.NewsletterSign up to our monthly newsletter for more book recommendations, reviews, new releases, podcast recommendations and the latest podcast news.Get in touchTwitter | Instagram | Website | Voice messageWe encourage you to support independent bookshops or libraries. You can find a list of independent bookshops to support on our website, many of which do home delivery.Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/bookcastclub)
This week, Morrus and Peter talk about the Kickstarter for Homebrew and Hacking: Crafting New Heritages and Cultures for Level Up: Advanced 5e. In the news, D&D lore changes coming with Monsters of the Multiverse, RuneScape getting an RPG, Awfully Cheerful Engine #6: Orcs & Oubliettes released, a look at starter set for The One Ring, and more! Plus a brand new sketch about a dungeon death trap safety report. ------------------- News Dragonlance Nexus Fan Site Turns 21 https://www.enworld.org/threads/dragonlance-nexus-fan-site-turns-21.685554/ Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse: An In-Depth Review by Beth Rimmels https://www.enworld.org/threads/mordenkainen-presents-monsters-of-the-multiverse-an-in-depth-review.685565/ D&D Lore Changes: Multiversal Focus & Fey Goblins of Prehistory https://www.enworld.org/threads/d-d-lore-changes-multiversal-focus-fey-goblins-of-prehistory.685650/ Free Homeworld Quickstart from Modiphius https://www.enworld.org/threads/free-homeworld-quickstart-from-modiphius.685633/ RuneScape getting a tabletop RPG adaptation https://www.enworld.org/threads/runescape-worlds-oldest-free-mmorpg-comes-to-tabletop.685573/ News Digest for the Week of January 28 (Dark Souls RPG updates, Minsc and Boo comic book) https://www.enworld.org/threads/news-digest-for-the-week-of-january-28.685667/ Awfully Cheerful Engine #6: Orcs & Oubliettes https://www.enworld.org/threads/a-c-e-6-orcs-oubliettes.685594/ Original documents for The Known World archived online https://www.enworld.org/threads/original-known-world-documents-released.685499/ Beth Rimmels reviews Legend of Vox Machina https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-legend-of-vox-machina-bawdy-bloody-and-funny.685626/ Rob Wieland reviews The One Ring Starter Set https://www.enworld.org/threads/go-down-the-hobbit-hole-of-the-one-ring-starter-set.685224/ Gate Pass Gazette for Level Up: Advanced 5e https://www.patreon.com/gatepass RPG Crowdfunding News https://www.enworld.org/threads/rpg-crowdfunding-news-%E2%80%93-lore-of-the-traditions-vulcania-stonewall-1969-and-more.685566/ ------------------- Homebrew and Hacking: Crafting New Heritages and Cultures Sign up for notifications when the Kickstarter goes live https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/49409452/718604946 Level Up: Advanced 5e https://www.levelup5e.com/ Detect Balance: A 5e Homebrew Race Guide https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vq1kz6PRAbw5LHy6amH-bNb4OuB8DBXL1RsZROt03Sc/edit#gid=0 ------------------- Please support us on Patreon at http://patreon.com/morrus Don't forget to join the Morrus' Unofficial Tabletop RPG Talk Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/1033145023517295/ and join us on Discord at https://discord.gg/VAuxX8M ------------------- Hosts: Russ “Morrus” Morrissey and Peter Coffey Editing and post-production: Darryl Mott Theme Song: Steve Arnott Kickstarter Game Research: Egg Embry Kickstarter Game Theme: Lyrics by Russ Morrissey, Vocals by “drwilko”, Guitar by Darryl Mott Malach the Maleficent played by Darren Morrissey
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Ever questioned who Flat Earthers are and where they get their evidence from to get their conclusions? Then go no further with Episode #061 with Flat Earth Dave, only on Off The Dome!! For more information regarding Flat Earth, check out Flat Earths Dave Instagram at @theflatearthpodcast Looking for specific answers, links to major concepts addressed in the podcast below !! 04:45 - What is Flat Earth? 08:30 - Where did Flat Earth Daves Journey being? 15:00 - Is it a Mirage or? 21:30 - How do the Sun and Moon revolve around "The Pond" 31:20 - "The Known World" and Why we can't always see the Sun 24/7 if it's always above us 39:30 - How Sunsets work if the Globe doesn't "hide" the sun 41:30 - How do Lunar Eclipses work? 44:00 - Addressing the Netflix Documentary 51:00 - What is underneath Flat Earth? 56:00 - Why can't Southern Hemisphere not see Polaris (North Star) 1:11:00 - Why can't we see the Sun in an Airplane?
In 2020, Dawn Davis, took the reins as editor-in-chief of Bon Appétit along with Condé Nast's other food brands including Epicurious, Healthyish, and Basically, across digital, video, OTT, social and print platforms. In doing so, she made history as the first woman of color to hold this position. Acknowledged as "a book world star" by the New York Times in their coverage of the appointment, Dawn's editorial vision is directing a new chapter at the 65-year-old publication. Each year in October, Bon Appétit celebrates the "Hot Ten", a list of America's Best New Restaurants in its Restaurant Issue. This year, under Dawn's guidance, the Restaurant Issue was redefined and is reflective of the times. The issue honors "the restaurants, people and organizations that gave us hope with a brand-new awards list, Heads of the Table." The issue celebrates the resilience, variety of food, and the people who make them run, the ones that sprang up or pivoted during the pandemic to help their communities and others in the industry who needed it most, from giving opportunities to the formerly incarcerated to feeding neighbors. Dawn spent decades as an accomplished publisher and author, with a passion for food and culture. Her prolific publishing career at 37 Ink, a Simon & Schuster imprint, included bestselling and award-winning titles: Heads of the Colored People by Nafissa Thomas-Spires, winner of the 2019 Whiting Award; the National Book Award finalist, Never Caught: The Washingtons' Relentless Pursuit of Their Runaway Slave; Ona Judge by Erica Armstrong Dunbar; and several New York Times bestsellers , including Tough Love: My Story of the Things Worth Fighting For by Susan Rice; The Butler: A Witness to History by Wil Haygood, later becoming a major motion picture directed by Lee Daniels; The Misadventures of Awkward Black Girl by Issa Rae that helped pave the way for her tv show, Insecure; and I Can't Make This Up by Kevin Hart. Her time at HarperCollins, overseeing the Amistad imprint, resulted in publishing numerous well-known, highly acclaimed authors, including Edward P. Jones, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Known World; Attica Locke, author of Black Water Rising; and Chris Gardner, author of The Pursuit of Happyness, that also became a major motion picture starring Will Smith. Her passion for food culture is exhibited in the first cookbook she acquired, Recipe of Memory: Five Generations of Mexican Cuisine by Mary Lau Valle and Victor M. Valle, and was nominated for two Julia Child Cookbook Awards and a James Beard Award. As an author, Dawn wrote If You Can Stand the Heat: Tales from Chefs and Restaurateurs profiling some of the most dynamic chefs of the times including Edna Lewis, Bobby Flay, Anthony Bourdain, Michael McCarthy, Patricia Williams and Linda Rodriguez. Listen in as Dawn and host, Brad Johnson, discuss some of the featured people, stories and recipes in the October issue of Bon Appétit: The Restaurant Issue, along with a variety of other topics including: Dawn's journey that led to publishing, some of her favorite Martha's Vineyard places to visit; reflections from time spent in Nigeria; the significance of a high-profile restaurant going meatless; expanding the dialogue around African American cuisine's contribution to American cuisine; her cookbook collection; and stories about the interesting chefs she included in the book she authored. Join us! *** Please follow @CornerTableTalk on Instagram and Facebook For more information on host Brad Johnson or to join our mailing list, please visit: https://postandbeamhospitality.com/ For questions or comments, please e.mail: info@postandbeamhospitality.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Episode 2 - The beginning of the adventure. Leaving home in Washington state and heading down the west coast through Oregon and California. 5 Parts: 1. Family in Seattle, WA. 2. Luis in Portland, OR. 3. Erwin in Corvallis, OR. 4. Lighthouse Laura in Fort Bragg, CA. 5. Tommy in Los Angeles Ending with a response to a question received and a general response to people's reaction to this type of adventure.
Big John did his research and found some Guinness Book of World Records you might not have known existed…
This week on the Major Spoilers Podcast: We have double the number of reviews for you this week including Asterix and the Chariot Race, Quarry's War #1, Witchblade #1, Mystic U #1, Detective Comics #969, Santa Clause Private Eye, and COCO! Show your thanks to Major Spoilers for this episode by becoming a Major Spoilers Patron at http://patreon.com/MajorSpoilers. It will help ensure The Major Spoilers Podcast continues far into the future! NEWS Are you read for 20 more Marvel movies after Avengers 4? http://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-cinematic-universe-end/ REVIEWS STEPHEN ASTERIX AND THE CHARIOT RACE HC Writer: Jean-Yves Ferri Artist: Didler Conrad Publisher: Orion Cover Price: $17.99 SOLICITATION: Famous for their extensive travels around the Known World, this time Asterix and Obelix are going to meet the people of the Italian peninsula: the Italics! To Obelix's delight, the inhabitants of Ancient Italy are not all Romans! Far from it! The Italics want to keep their independence and take a dim view of Julius Caesar and his Legions' plans for total domination. [rating:3/5] MYSTIK U Writer: Alisa Kwitney Artist: Michael Norton Publisher: DC Comics Cover Price: $5.99 Leave the world of the mundane behind and step through the magical doors of Mystik U! After a tragic accident, a young Zatanna Zatara, under the guidance of Rose Psychic, enrolls in a mysterious university that teaches its students how to master their unique brands of magic. Will Zatanna fit in with her new classmates (Enchantress, Sargon the Sorcerer, Faust and more!) and unlock her true potential? Find out in this exciting bimonthly miniseries from novelist Alisa Kwitney (DESTINY) and Mike Norton (Revival, Runaways)! [rating:3.5/5] DETECTIVE COMICS #969 Writer: James Tynion IV Artist: Raul Fernandez, Alvaro Martinez Publisher: DC Comics Cover Price: $2.99 “FALL OF THE BATMEN” part one! Everyone in Batman's orbit is broken somehow—some more than others. For Clayface, keeping the pieces of his psyche together has been a years-long struggle…and it's a war he may be about to lose! And as the team tries to pull itself back together, their enemies have learned something from Batman's newfound spirit of cooperation…and have formed a cabal of their own! [rating: 2/5] MATTHEW QUARRY'S WAR #1 Writer: Max Allan Collins Artist: Szymon Kudranski Cover Price: $3.99 Written by renowned comic writer and author of the Quarry Hard Case Crime novels, Max Allan Collins (Road to Perdition, Batman, Action Comics Weekly) and illustrated by Szymon Kudranski (Batman: Streets of Gotham, Spider-Man, Spawn)" [rating: 4/5] SANTA CLAUS, PRIVATE EYE Darby Pop Publishing Writer: Jeremby Bernstein Artist: Michael Dorman One day each year, Santa Claus delivers presents to children. The other 364, he moonlights as a down-on-his luck private dick named Nick Santana, working dark streets filled with gangsters, guns, and femme fatales. After all, the nicer they look, the naughtier they can be. [rating: 5/5] RODRIGO COCO Director: Lee Unkrich Producer: Darla Anderson Screenplay: Adrian Molina, Matthew Aldrich Studio: Pixar Animation Studios Despite his family's generations-old ban on music, young Miguel dreams of becoming an accomplished musician like his idol Ernesto de la Cruz. Desperate to prove his talent, Miguel finds himself in the stunning and colorful Land of the Dead. After meeting a charming trickster named Héctor, the two new friends embark on an extraordinary journey to unlock the real story behind Miguel's family history. [rating: 5/5] WITCHBLADE #1 Writer: Caitlin Kittredge Artist: Roberta Ingranata Publisher: Top Cow "LIFE AFTER," Part One Gunned down and left for dead on a New York rooftop, Alex Underwood's life should have ended there-but instead, at the moment of death, she became host to the Witchblade, a mystical artifact that grants the woman wielding it extraordinary powers. But the power comes with a heavy cost, and Alex finds herself thrust into the center of an unseen battle raging on the snowy streets of NYC. Demons are real and walking among humans, and every one of them is intent on taking out the Witchblade's newest host before she becomes too strong to kill. But the artifact chose Alex for a reason, and she's not going down without a fight. [rating:3/5] MAJOR SPOILERS POLL OF THE WEEK http://majorspoilers.com/2017/11/28/major-spoilers-poll-week-best-cover-edition-two-series/ CLOSE Contact us at podcast@majorspoilers.com Call the Major Spoilers Hotline at (785) 727-1939. A big Thank You goes out to everyone who downloads, subscribes, listens, and supports this show. We really appreciate you taking the time to listen to our ramblings each week. Tell your friends! Closing music comes from Ookla the Mok.
In the episode you forgot you were even waiting for: The witty and charming Stepahnie D'Abruzzo enrolls in Noob Skool and takes a Buzzfeed-style quiz to determine which is the Blood Bowl race for her, Siggy gives his hot take on the new redraft rules in Death Zone, and hear about Siggy's podcast moonlighting! All this and current affairs too. There's a lot of podcast here; enjoy it while it lasts! (Special thanks to The Furors for permission to use "We 51 Say You 49" -- available on their album The Known World.)
Edward P. Jones is a New York Times bestselling author and has been awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, the National Book Critics Circle award, the International IMPAC Dublin Literary Award, and the Lannan Literary Award for The Known World. His first novel The Known World is about the ownership of slaves by a black master in the antebellum South. Reviewers lauded Jones for the novel's epic grandeur, vernacular, and lyrical prose, fully realized characters, and lively dialogue. Comparing Jones favorably with William Faulkner and Toni Morrison. After winning the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction Jones told Publisher's Weekly : "I want to write about the things which helped us to survive: the love, grace, intelligence, and strength for us as a people." Jones also received a MacArthur Fellowship in 2004. His first collection of stories, Lost in the City, won the PEN/Hemingway Award and was short-listed for the National Book Award. The stories recapture the life Jones knew growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, especially the rich vernacular of his mother and her associates. "I remember black people's poetic language," His second story collection, All Aunt Hagar's Children, was a finalist for the Pen/Faulkner Award. He has been an instructor of fiction writing at a range of universities, including Princeton. He lives in Washington, D.C. 2. From the Archives: Rhodessa Jones talks about her work: "SHE:The Rhodessa Jones Story," which opened at Brava in SF, March 28-April 7, 2013. Music: Sweet Honey in the Rock; Teri Simmons; Thao & the Get Down Stay Down; Ethnic Heritage Ensemble
Alqetta (Karim Saleh) sets off alone in the lifeboat. On landing he meets a group of troubled locals. Meanwhile Dalton (Tamsin Greig) and the crew make a desperate attempt to outrun Gerion (Robert Picardo) and his zealots over land. Full cast and crew listings at www.danfreeman.co.uk. Chat at @thelightofsept and facebook.com/thelightofseptember. Tweet @danfreemanfan. The only publicity we have is word of mouth, so please tell your friends! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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