Podcasts about Osage County

Legal battles in Oklahoma continue between the Osage Nation and Enel. Equinor faces offshore wind project hurdles amidst U.S. offshore wind regulatory issues. Plus a rebranding announcement from Deutsche Windtechnik to DWT and a new study painting wind blades red to prevent bird strikes. Sign up now for Uptime Tech News, our weekly email update on all things wind technology. This episode is sponsored by Weather Guard Lightning Tech. Learn more about Weather Guard's StrikeTape Wind Turbine LPS retrofit. Follow the show on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Linkedin and visit Weather Guard on the web. And subscribe to Rosemary Barnes' YouTube channel here. Have a question we can answer on the show? Email us! You are listening to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast, brought to you by build turbines.com. Learn, train, and be a part of the Clean Energy Revolution. Visit build turbines.com today. Now here's your hosts, Allen Hall, Joel Saxum, Phil Totaro, and Rosemary Barnes.  Allen Hall: There's more news out of Oklahoma. The state of Oklahoma has. Entered the legal ballot between the wind developer in EL and the Osage nation. It, we all recall on the podcast probably a year ago where the Osage Nation had won a lawsuit with the help of the federal government to take down a big wind farm in north central Oklahoma. The state of Oklahoma has filed an amicus brief opposing the immediate removal of the 84 turbines in Osage County. Now, this is a big deal [00:01:00] because pretty much the last I saw, which is a while ago, the order was that they needed to take down all the turbines and reclaim the land, basically put it back to where it was before the turbines were placed in it. Now the state of Oklahoma is stepping into the mix and they're citing a couple of things. They're saying that the state of Oklahoma has an interest in property laws and protecting tax revenue. However, Osage doesn't fit into Oklahoma laws. It's not their territory. And meanwhile, the Osage tribe is saying, Hey, this is over and we have mineral rights, and these turbines need to come down. So this is a kind of a weird spot because Anelle's in the middle of this, now that the state's gotten involved against the federal government, is there a missing link here? Is, this is certain more to this story because it does seem like some wheels are turning at the moment. I think,  Joel Saxum: Phil Allen.[00:02:00] You guys are very smart, right? But I think we need someone smarter than us to decode this whole thing as far as like maybe a lawyer that can get in there, because Alan, you hit it on the head, Osage tribe and Osage tribe lands do not actually fall under Oklahoma law. They have their own sets of laws, so you have a federal ruling saying that something must happen within, of course, the outlines of the state of Oklahoma, but within the greater outlines of the United States. But now the state wants to be able to go against the federal ruling to have their own rights recounted for while this, the Oage tribe is saying no, like we've already passed and I think the total bill that NL is gonna was supposed to get stamped, it was like $300 million, which is crazy 'cause it doesn't cost $300 million to remediate 84 turbines. However. This isn't necessarily a wind turbine take down exercise. This is a mining reclamation exercise after you take the wind turbines down. That's why it costs so much. [00:03:00] So there's a lot of money on the table for nl and now you have the Oklahoma Solicitor General Jerry Gary Gaskins stepping in and saying Hey, we're also getting some kind of tax revenues to the state and things like that from the wind farm. But I wouldn't think that would go to the state in this case. I would think it would go to the Osage tribe. So I don't understand the state's. The state's position in this.  Phil Totaro: But Phil, do you have any insights on that? Unfortunately, I do not. But what's interesting about it is that you had,

Don't miss this week's episode when Cody and Jimbo visit with Corey Hurd. Corey is a great Osage County cowboy who won the prestigious Top Hand award at the World's Championship Ranch Rodeo in Amarillo, TX. He tells us all about his big win, along with some great Osage County cowboy stories. We had a lot of fun on this one!

The Osage County Branch of the Missouri River Regional Libraries is located in Linn – and for the past year or so, they've been hosting programs that focus on fall prevention and an active lifestyle for area seniors.

Per la sua serata film, l'ospite di questa puntata si rifugia sul suo divano letto, prende una coperta di pile...e sceglie la tragicommedia “I segreti di Osage County”. Con Betty Senatore, c'è il content creator Edoardo Zaggia.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The winter of 1923 saw more murders in the Osage Hills, but no one was prepared for the brazen and brutal attack that happened in March. In the aftermath, the Osage pressed the U.S. government and the state of Oklahoma for help, but their efforts produced few results. And then, criminals in Osage County started dying. The masterminds behind the conspiracy began covering their tracks and further proved no one was safe.   Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join   Apple users join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes, bingeable seasons and bonus episodes. Click the Black Barrel+ banner on Apple to get started with a 3-day free trial.   On YouTube, subscribe to INFAMOUS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: hit “Join” on the Legends YouTube homepage.   For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1921, two murder victims were discovered on the same day in Osage County in northeastern Oklahoma. It was shocking news, but members of the Osage tribe already knew they were in danger. They were some of the richest people on Earth, thanks to the oil under their land, and they had been dying in mysterious ways for years. But when the two bodies were found on the same day, it launched a 5-year period known as the Reign of Terror. No one was safe, and no one could be trusted.   Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join   Apple users join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes, bingeable seasons and bonus episodes. Click the Black Barrel+ banner on Apple to get started with a 3-day free trial.   On YouTube, subscribe to INFAMOUS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: hit “Join” on the Legends YouTube homepage.   For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A lawsuit has been unfolding between the Osage Nation and Enel since 2010, potentially ending with Enel dismantling their 150 MW wind farm. What can wind developers learn from this? How can they avoid these situations moving forward? Expert Doug Sandridge explains the intricacies of Native land rights in the US and why understanding those rights is crucial to expanding the wind industry. Follow Doug on Substack, Linkedin or reach out via email doug@fulcrumef.com. Sign up now for Uptime Tech News, our weekly email update on all things wind technology. This episode is sponsored by Weather Guard Lightning Tech. Learn more about Weather Guard's StrikeTape Wind Turbine LPS retrofit. Follow the show on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Linkedin and visit Weather Guard on the web. And subscribe to Rosemary Barnes' YouTube channel here. Have a question we can answer on the show? Email us! Pardalote Consulting - https://www.pardaloteconsulting.comWeather Guard Lightning Tech - www.weatherguardwind.comIntelstor - https://www.intelstor.com Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I'm your host, Allen Hall, joined by my co host, Joel Saxum. Today, we're diving into a complex and significant issue at the intersection of renewable energy development and Native American rights. Our guest is Doug Sandridge, a veteran of the energy industry with over 40 years of experience. Doug is currently the senior vice president at Fulcrum Energy Capital Funds, overseeing land operations and strategy for this private equity firm that invests in energy assets across North America. He's also an adjunct instructor for the executive MBA and energy program at the University of Oklahoma. And I've only heard good things about that, Doug. Today, Doug will be sharing his insights on the ongoing dispute between the Osage Nation and Enel Green Energy regarding the Osage Wind Project. And this project, which consists of 84 wind turbines, has become the center of a long legal battle that touches on critical issues of tribal mineral rights. and the development of wind energy on Native American lands. Doug, with his extensive background in land management, regulatory compliance, and stakeholder relations, is uniquely positioned to help us understand the complexities of this case and its potential for implications for the future of wind energy development. Welcome to Uptime. Doug Sandridge: Man, it's a great pleasure to be here. And I don't think I've ever had a better introduction. Wow, can I? Thank you so much. That's great. Joel Saxum: You can play that one the next time you start a new class at the University of Oklahoma. Where you walk in, turn the lights down a little bit, and play the clip. Doug Sandridge: Excellent. Allen Hall: So thanks for being here. And you and I have been corresponding for quite a while now. About what is happening in Oklahoma and for those outside of the United States, Oklahoma is right smack dab in the middle of the continental United States. And it has a unique history. It's different than pretty much any other state in the U. S. Because of its history with Native American tribes. And this has led to some unique situations, which now, it now is in the middle of. And Doug, I want to walk through just the basics of what happened on the O. C. A. When project here, and maybe you could just introduce that background and how we got to where we are today. Doug Sandridge: Absolutely. And I just want to start by saying whatever we say here today, I don't want it to be reflected as some sort of black eye or. A a bad image for wind in general, this is just an isolated, unique situation, a unique case, and we should not paint the wind industry or the renewable industry with a broad brush thinking that this is how things are done. We just happen to have a unfortunate situation taking place in Osage County, Oklahoma. Osage tribe is located primarily in a county in northeastern Oklahoma near Tulsa cal...

The July Fourth holiday is here again, and there are countless ways to celebrate in Oklahoma. One of the best is with a trip to Pawhuska and scenic Osage County for the Pawhuska Freedom Celebration and The Pioneer Woman Mercantile's Patriotic Party on the Prairie. Pawhuska Chamber of Commerce director Mike McCartney joins the show to talk about the full day of activities planned in the town for Independence Day. Also on this episode, the editors share their plans for the upcoming holiday and Ben gives a booming rundown of July Fourth celebrations in podvents. You won't want to miss it!

One of the recipients of student loan relief goes viral on Twitter for all the wrong reasons. Looking at examples of "cheap fakes," and Biden's polls. An update on the Osage County business that burned down yesterday.

The Osage Reign of Terror - dramatized recently in the 2023 award winning Martin Scorsese film, Killers of the Flower Moon based on the 2017 book of the same name - has been described as an epidemic of murders and mysterious deaths among the people of the Osage Nation. This is a wild story of a preposterous amount of corruption, conspiracy, and cold-blooded killing. Most experts state that at least sixty murders - and quite possibly HUNDREDS - were committed between 1918 and 1931, with the majority of murders taking place between 1921 and 1926 in just one rural county in Oklahoma. Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/miS0DxTcqRMMerch and more: www.badmagicproductions.com Timesuck Discord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious PrivateFacebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch-related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard? Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast.Sign up through Patreon, and for $5 a month, you get access to the entire Secret Suck catalog (295 episodes) PLUS the entire catalog of Timesuck, AD FREE. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. And you get the download link for my secret standup album, Feel the Heat.

MAGA Embraces Anti-Hero Era | Missouri Marijuana Money Rolls In | Biden is a Union man | Oklahoma teachers get paid but not on purpose | Colorado's mining, maybe? | Kansas rules for driving children | Iowa state house members grow some spine | Missouri's speaker losing more staff | Kentucky's GOP Gets Blue Grass Stains From Falling Down Missouri Marijuana Sales Bring Big Funding For Veterans Carehttps://missouriindependent.com/briefs/missouri-marijuana-revenue-will-mean-nearly-20-million-to-support-veterans-this-year/Biden wins endorsement of United Auto WorkersBiden was joined by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Ann Arbor), U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), U.S. Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI) and other Michigan leaders at the UAW union hall in Warren in Macomb County to celebrate the union's accomplishments in the last year and its endorsement of Biden's reelection campaign.Biden told UAW members “Supporting you is the easiest thing I've ever done. The single biggest reason why we have unions growing, the single biggest reason the economy is growing … because you are the best workers in the world.” Michigan is expected to play a key role in the November general election, as Biden looks to win the state again. This is the second time in recent months that Biden has come to Michigan to talk with UAW members. He became the first sitting U.S. president in modern history to visit a picket line in September during a historic strike against Detroit's “Big Three” automakers — Ford, General Motors and Stellantis. UAW President Shawn Fain announced the union's endorsement of Biden's campaign on Jan. 24 and drew a sharp comparison between Biden and GOP frontrunner former President Donald Trump.“Rarely as a union do you get so clear of a choice between two candidates. It's not about who you like, it's not about your party, it's not about this b—–t about age. It's not about anything but our best shot at taking back power for the working class.”In September, Trump also traveled to Michigan during the UAW strike, but he visited a non-union plant in Macomb County where he advised the UAW to endorse him for president.Trump said, “Shawn, endorse Trump and you can take a nice two-month vacation, come back, and you guys are going to be better than you ever were. The other way, you won't have a vacation, Shawn. And in a short period of time, you're not going to have a union. You're not going to have jobs. You're not going to have anything.”“Trump is a scab,” Fain said recently. “Donald Trump stands against everything the UAW stands for. When you go back to our core issues — Wages. Retirement. Health care. Time. That's what this election is about,” Fain said. “Instead of talking trash about our union, Joe Biden stood with us.”By November, the UAW ratified new contracts with all three companies that included significant worker raises, an end to the tiered wage system and improvements to the automakers' retirement benefits. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said Biden is a “jobs president,” “Under President Biden, we've seen 14 million jobs created, including 800,000 manufacturing jobs, which is more than any president in a single termBiden wrapped up his time at the union hall calling Whitmer “the best governor in the country” and Dingell a “fighter.” To the UAW Workers in Warren he said, “Thank you and the whole country owes you,” Biden said to the UAW workers in Warren. “You're not only helping auto workers, you're helping every worker in the world.”Oklahoma Teachers Likely To Keep Bonus Moneyhttps://oklahomavoice.com/2024/01/31/oklahoma-teachers-may-not-have-to-return-errant-bonuses-walters-says/OKLAHOMA CITY — State Superintendent Ryan Walters said Wednesday errant bonuses his administration paid to educators might not have to be clawed back.In a press conference he called to accuse reporters of lying about the situation, Walters said the Oklahoma State Department of Education is coordinating with the teachers who wrongly received signing bonuses to find another solution. He said that could include longer contractual commitments in exchange for keeping the money.“There is a path forward that does not require a payback from those teachers,” Walters said.But at least one affected teacher got no such promise, her attorney, Mark Hammons, said.Oklahoma County teacher Kristina Stadelman heard from the state agency in the past two days, informing her a Feb. 29 deadline for repayment no longer applied, Hammons said.But that included no guarantee she would never have to repay the bonus, he said, and that's why she joined a lawsuit on Wednesday to challenge the demand.“They extended the time for the deadline and said they were looking into other possibilities,” Hammons said. “We don't know what that means, and they didn't explain that to her, but they certainly made no promise that she wouldn't have to pay back all or any portion of that money.”Both of Hammons' clients, Stadelman and Osage County teacher Kay Bojorquez, said they were awarded $50,000 bonuses in the fall from a teacher recruitment program Walters created last year. Colorado's New Coal Mine… Maybehttps://coloradonewsline.com/briefs/environmental-groups-epa-colorado-coal-mine/Conservation groups are asking EPA to block permit for new coal mine in coloradoTwo conservation groups have formally petitioned the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to intervene in state air-quality regulators' decision to issue an operating permit to Colorado's largest remaining coal mine.Colorado's Air Pollution Control Division issued the permit to the West Elk Mine in Gunnison County in December, more than six months after a federal judge's ruling that the agency had illegally delayed its decision on whether to approve or deny the permit, which a subsidiary of mine owner Arch Coal first applied for in 2020.But two of the groups involved in that litigation, the Center for Biological Diversity and WildEarth Guardians, call the permit issued by the APCD a “free pass” that doesn't do enough to limit emissions of volatile organic compounds, a class of hazardous air pollutants, or methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.Iowa Lawmakers Keep Protections for Gender Identity In Law… after considering taking it awayhttps://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/01/31/iowa-house-lawmakers-reject-bill-to-remove-gender-identity-protections-from-iowa-civil-rights-law/Protection of “gender identity” under the Iowa Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination in areas like employment, housing, education or public accommodations. Under the proposal, a diagnosis of “gender dysphoria or any condition related to a gender identity disorder” would be classified a disability under Iowa Code – another protected class under the civil rights act.Aime Wichtendahl, a Hiawatha City Council member, criticized lawmakers for considering legislation that would make Iowa the first state in the country to remove civil rights protections for a group of citizens. Missouri Speaker Plochs Another One Into The Bowlhttps://missouriindependent.com/briefs/embattled-missouri-house-speaker-dean-plocher-dismisses-another-top-staffer/Embattled Mo House Speaker Dean Plocher has lost another staff member https://missouriindependent.com/briefs/embattled-missouri-house-speaker-dean-plocher-dismisses-another-top-staffer/Missouri House Speaker Dean Plocher fired his legislative director Wednesday, the latest in a series of departures from his office as he continues to face an ethics investigation into allegations of unlawful conduct. Erica Choinka had worked for the Missouri House since 2016, first as a legislative assistant and then as legislative director for former Speakers Elijah Haahr and Rob Vescovo. She continued to serve under Plocher until Wednesday, when she was fired. Choinka declined to comment, and a spokesman for Plocher did not immediately respond to an email about the dismissal. The staff shakeup follows the firing of Plocher's chief of staff in October and the resignation of his chief legal counsel in November. And it comes as an ethics inquiry into his alleged misconduct enters its fourth month. The investigation was launched late last year after The Independent reported that Plocher on numerous occasions over the years illegally sought reimbursement from the legislature for airfare, hotels and other travel costs already paid for by his campaign. In each instance, Plocher was required to sign a sworn statement declaring that the payments were made with “personal funds, for which I have not been reimbursed.”Finally… In another story out of Missouri, sorry, that's Kansas, no wait, my bad from Iowa, oh, nope, that's Oklahoma… wait, Indiana, or… was this Ohio? Ah, I see now - from Kentucky…GOP supermajority: Silly, unserious, unconcerned by Kentuckians' real problemsAuthor: Teri Carterhttps://kentuckylantern.com/2024/02/01/gop-supermajority-silly-unserious-unconcerned-by-kentuckians-real-problems/On Jan. 31, I began my day reading a story that opened with a stunning sentence. “Some residents of a county in Kentucky are going on two weeks without running water, forcing them to use public toilets and catch rainwater to bathe.”As I was reading this news, a 7:31 a.m. tweet popped up from Rep. Josh Calloway. “Actually, what it means to be a good parent is to tell your children the truth. The truth is men are men, women are women, and neither can become the other. The truth is, they were not born in the wrong body, they are perfect just the way God made them. It is Evil to lie to children.”Yes, this is anecdotal, but it is also reflective of a maddening reality. We are one-third through the all-important budget session of our 2024 General Assembly, and the GOP supermajority in Frankfort is wasting their days focused on problems we do not have and, well, sex. Always sex. @TheHeartlandPOD on Twitter and ThreadsCo-HostsAdam Sommer @Adam_Sommer85 (Twitter) @adam_sommer85 (Post)Rachel Parker @msraitchetp (Post) Sean Diller (no social)The Heartland Collective - Sign Up Today!JOIN PATREON FOR MORE - AND JOIN OUR SOCIAL NETWORK!“Change The Conversation”Outro Song: “The World Is On Fire” by American Aquarium http://www.americanaquarium.com/

MAGA Embraces Anti-Hero Era | Missouri Marijuana Money Rolls In | Biden is a Union man | Oklahoma teachers get paid but not on purpose | Colorado's mining, maybe? | Kansas rules for driving children | Iowa state house members grow some spine | Missouri's speaker losing more staff | Kentucky's GOP Gets Blue Grass Stains From Falling Down Missouri Marijuana Sales Bring Big Funding For Veterans Carehttps://missouriindependent.com/briefs/missouri-marijuana-revenue-will-mean-nearly-20-million-to-support-veterans-this-year/Biden wins endorsement of United Auto WorkersBiden was joined by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Ann Arbor), U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), U.S. Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI) and other Michigan leaders at the UAW union hall in Warren in Macomb County to celebrate the union's accomplishments in the last year and its endorsement of Biden's reelection campaign.Biden told UAW members “Supporting you is the easiest thing I've ever done. The single biggest reason why we have unions growing, the single biggest reason the economy is growing … because you are the best workers in the world.” Michigan is expected to play a key role in the November general election, as Biden looks to win the state again. This is the second time in recent months that Biden has come to Michigan to talk with UAW members. He became the first sitting U.S. president in modern history to visit a picket line in September during a historic strike against Detroit's “Big Three” automakers — Ford, General Motors and Stellantis. UAW President Shawn Fain announced the union's endorsement of Biden's campaign on Jan. 24 and drew a sharp comparison between Biden and GOP frontrunner former President Donald Trump.“Rarely as a union do you get so clear of a choice between two candidates. It's not about who you like, it's not about your party, it's not about this b—–t about age. It's not about anything but our best shot at taking back power for the working class.”In September, Trump also traveled to Michigan during the UAW strike, but he visited a non-union plant in Macomb County where he advised the UAW to endorse him for president.Trump said, “Shawn, endorse Trump and you can take a nice two-month vacation, come back, and you guys are going to be better than you ever were. The other way, you won't have a vacation, Shawn. And in a short period of time, you're not going to have a union. You're not going to have jobs. You're not going to have anything.”“Trump is a scab,” Fain said recently. “Donald Trump stands against everything the UAW stands for. When you go back to our core issues — Wages. Retirement. Health care. Time. That's what this election is about,” Fain said. “Instead of talking trash about our union, Joe Biden stood with us.”By November, the UAW ratified new contracts with all three companies that included significant worker raises, an end to the tiered wage system and improvements to the automakers' retirement benefits. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said Biden is a “jobs president,” “Under President Biden, we've seen 14 million jobs created, including 800,000 manufacturing jobs, which is more than any president in a single termBiden wrapped up his time at the union hall calling Whitmer “the best governor in the country” and Dingell a “fighter.” To the UAW Workers in Warren he said, “Thank you and the whole country owes you,” Biden said to the UAW workers in Warren. “You're not only helping auto workers, you're helping every worker in the world.”Oklahoma Teachers Likely To Keep Bonus Moneyhttps://oklahomavoice.com/2024/01/31/oklahoma-teachers-may-not-have-to-return-errant-bonuses-walters-says/OKLAHOMA CITY — State Superintendent Ryan Walters said Wednesday errant bonuses his administration paid to educators might not have to be clawed back.In a press conference he called to accuse reporters of lying about the situation, Walters said the Oklahoma State Department of Education is coordinating with the teachers who wrongly received signing bonuses to find another solution. He said that could include longer contractual commitments in exchange for keeping the money.“There is a path forward that does not require a payback from those teachers,” Walters said.But at least one affected teacher got no such promise, her attorney, Mark Hammons, said.Oklahoma County teacher Kristina Stadelman heard from the state agency in the past two days, informing her a Feb. 29 deadline for repayment no longer applied, Hammons said.But that included no guarantee she would never have to repay the bonus, he said, and that's why she joined a lawsuit on Wednesday to challenge the demand.“They extended the time for the deadline and said they were looking into other possibilities,” Hammons said. “We don't know what that means, and they didn't explain that to her, but they certainly made no promise that she wouldn't have to pay back all or any portion of that money.”Both of Hammons' clients, Stadelman and Osage County teacher Kay Bojorquez, said they were awarded $50,000 bonuses in the fall from a teacher recruitment program Walters created last year. Colorado's New Coal Mine… Maybehttps://coloradonewsline.com/briefs/environmental-groups-epa-colorado-coal-mine/Conservation groups are asking EPA to block permit for new coal mine in coloradoTwo conservation groups have formally petitioned the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to intervene in state air-quality regulators' decision to issue an operating permit to Colorado's largest remaining coal mine.Colorado's Air Pollution Control Division issued the permit to the West Elk Mine in Gunnison County in December, more than six months after a federal judge's ruling that the agency had illegally delayed its decision on whether to approve or deny the permit, which a subsidiary of mine owner Arch Coal first applied for in 2020.But two of the groups involved in that litigation, the Center for Biological Diversity and WildEarth Guardians, call the permit issued by the APCD a “free pass” that doesn't do enough to limit emissions of volatile organic compounds, a class of hazardous air pollutants, or methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.Iowa Lawmakers Keep Protections for Gender Identity In Law… after considering taking it awayhttps://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/01/31/iowa-house-lawmakers-reject-bill-to-remove-gender-identity-protections-from-iowa-civil-rights-law/Protection of “gender identity” under the Iowa Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination in areas like employment, housing, education or public accommodations. Under the proposal, a diagnosis of “gender dysphoria or any condition related to a gender identity disorder” would be classified a disability under Iowa Code – another protected class under the civil rights act.Aime Wichtendahl, a Hiawatha City Council member, criticized lawmakers for considering legislation that would make Iowa the first state in the country to remove civil rights protections for a group of citizens. Missouri Speaker Plochs Another One Into The Bowlhttps://missouriindependent.com/briefs/embattled-missouri-house-speaker-dean-plocher-dismisses-another-top-staffer/Embattled Mo House Speaker Dean Plocher has lost another staff member https://missouriindependent.com/briefs/embattled-missouri-house-speaker-dean-plocher-dismisses-another-top-staffer/Missouri House Speaker Dean Plocher fired his legislative director Wednesday, the latest in a series of departures from his office as he continues to face an ethics investigation into allegations of unlawful conduct. Erica Choinka had worked for the Missouri House since 2016, first as a legislative assistant and then as legislative director for former Speakers Elijah Haahr and Rob Vescovo. She continued to serve under Plocher until Wednesday, when she was fired. Choinka declined to comment, and a spokesman for Plocher did not immediately respond to an email about the dismissal. The staff shakeup follows the firing of Plocher's chief of staff in October and the resignation of his chief legal counsel in November. And it comes as an ethics inquiry into his alleged misconduct enters its fourth month. The investigation was launched late last year after The Independent reported that Plocher on numerous occasions over the years illegally sought reimbursement from the legislature for airfare, hotels and other travel costs already paid for by his campaign. In each instance, Plocher was required to sign a sworn statement declaring that the payments were made with “personal funds, for which I have not been reimbursed.”Finally… In another story out of Missouri, sorry, that's Kansas, no wait, my bad from Iowa, oh, nope, that's Oklahoma… wait, Indiana, or… was this Ohio? Ah, I see now - from Kentucky…GOP supermajority: Silly, unserious, unconcerned by Kentuckians' real problemsAuthor: Teri Carterhttps://kentuckylantern.com/2024/02/01/gop-supermajority-silly-unserious-unconcerned-by-kentuckians-real-problems/On Jan. 31, I began my day reading a story that opened with a stunning sentence. “Some residents of a county in Kentucky are going on two weeks without running water, forcing them to use public toilets and catch rainwater to bathe.”As I was reading this news, a 7:31 a.m. tweet popped up from Rep. Josh Calloway. “Actually, what it means to be a good parent is to tell your children the truth. The truth is men are men, women are women, and neither can become the other. The truth is, they were not born in the wrong body, they are perfect just the way God made them. It is Evil to lie to children.”Yes, this is anecdotal, but it is also reflective of a maddening reality. We are one-third through the all-important budget session of our 2024 General Assembly, and the GOP supermajority in Frankfort is wasting their days focused on problems we do not have and, well, sex. Always sex. @TheHeartlandPOD on Twitter and ThreadsCo-HostsAdam Sommer @Adam_Sommer85 (Twitter) @adam_sommer85 (Post)Rachel Parker @msraitchetp (Post) Sean Diller (no social)The Heartland Collective - Sign Up Today!JOIN PATREON FOR MORE - AND JOIN OUR SOCIAL NETWORK!“Change The Conversation”Outro Song: “The World Is On Fire” by American Aquarium http://www.americanaquarium.com/

The Best in Show team welcomes our East Coast correspondent Adesola Thomas to chat about her best of the Park City fest, among them the raucous Irish-language rap-musical Kneecap, sisterly drama In the Summers and coming-of-age charmer Dìdi (弟弟). Then, Mia and Gemma head to Osage County with five-time Oscar-nominated costume designer Jacqueline West for an in-depth interview on her “method costuming” techniques for Killers of the Flower Moon—which included close collaboration with fellow nominees Lily Gladstone and Martin Scorsese, as well as Osage wardrobe consultant Julie O'Keefe. She also shares how she creates a real-life closet to help her actors inhabit their characters' wardrobes, an insightful approach that Jessica Chastain has requested on all of her films since working with West on The Tree of Life. Chapters: Opening credits (00:00:00) News (00:01:28) Sundance (00:07:27) Jacqueline West interview (00:19:58) Winner Winner Chicken Run Dinner (00:50:31) Closing credits (00:59:42) Credits: Recorded in Los Angeles, New York and Auckland. Edited by Slim, production manager Sophie Shin, editorial producer Brian Formo and our newsletter edited by George Fenwick. Theme: ‘Hyperlight' by Letterboxd member Trent Walton (AKA Echo Wolf). Artwork by Danny Haas. Best in Show is a TAPEDECK production. Title courtesy of Christopher Guest. Lists & Links: List of movies mentioned, Best in Show's HQ Page

Get ready for an exciting episode with Melissa Herdman as she shares game-changing advice not just for real estate agents but also for buyers and sellers in today's market. Brace yourself for sage counsel that transcends conventional tips as Melissa recounts a shocking tale involving an unforeseen twist by a buyer that disrupted a sale on closing day!     Key takeaways to listen for Reasons you should start a real estate career What are the keys to happy agents and a great brokerage culture? Things your buyers need to be mindful of during closing Why you should believe REALTORS® when they say that everything happens for a reason     Resources mentioned in this episode Topeka City Lifestyle Kirk and Cobb - Topeka HGTV     About Melissa Herdman Melissa is a full-time REALTOR® and a lifetime resident of Osage County. She is currently the supervising branch broker of Kirk and Cobb REALTORS® and is a Certified Residential Specialist.    She graduated with a degree in Bachelor of Science in Nursing at Washburn University of Topeka. She proceeded to have her Master of Science in Nursing at the University of Kansas Medical Center. She is a member of the National Association of REALTORS®, among several other organizations.   Connect with Melissa Website: Melissa Herdman LinkedIn: Melissa Herdman  Facebook: Melissa Herdman with Kirk and Cobb Realtors, Inc Instagram: @homeswithmelissa Email: melissa@melissaherdman.com Phone: (785) 250-7020     Connect with Leigh Please subscribe to this podcast on iTunes or the Podcasts App on your phone, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.   Subscribe to Leigh's other podcast Real Estate From The Rooftops     Sponsors Leigh Brown University – New On-Demand Training How to Dominate During This Recession! Enroll Now to learn practical steps for effective action, discover what to say, and ensure success in securing listings, assisting buyers, and expanding your business, regardless of market conditions.  Enroll today at: https://www.leighbrownuniversity.com/dominate-recession  Enter code: CSIRE20 at checkout for a 20% discount.

Everett Waller is a member of the Osage Nation and chairman of the Osage Minerals Council, which on December 20, 2023, won a federal lawsuit that requires Enel to remove 84 wind turbines it built in Osage County at an expected cost of $300 million. In this episode, Waller explains why the tribe continued the legal fight against Enel for 12 years, its plan to collect compensatory damages from the company, why he is “ecstatic” about the ruling, and why he believes it will “be a landmark case, spoken about long after I'm dead.” (Recorded December 29, 2023.)   

The new Killers of the Flower Moon movie is sparking a conversation about Oklahoma's difficult history. But those conversations in schools are complicated by Oklahoma's law limiting lessons that make students feel uncomfortable about their race or sex.

A little over a year from the first episode of In Trust has passed. Hosts Rachel Adams-Heard and Allison Herrera return to Osage County to discuss the reporting and story with members of the community. We'll share highlights from the panel, moderated by Shannon Shaw Duty of the Osage News, and talk about Allison's recent reporting from the premiere of “Killers of the Flower Moon” in Cannes. Learn more and see bonus material from the episode: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-21/in-trust-episode-11-discussing-the-impact-of-killers-of-the-flower-moon See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The latest episode of Late Edition: Crime Beat Chronicles is in partnership with the Tulsa World to introduce the story of the Osage Reign of Terror and the feature film Killers of the Flower Moon. In this bonus episode, show producer Ambre Moton is joined by two writers from the Tulsa World, Randy Krehbiel and Tim Stanley to dig a little deeper into some of the crimes committed during the Reign of Terror. More coverage Read all of the coverage of the film Killers of the Flower Moon and related stories here. All episodes from this series can be found here. Also, for more on the movie, listen to the latest episode of Streamed & Screened: Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon' might be the best film you see this year. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Slack and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Welcome to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles, a Lee Enterprises podcast. I'm Ambre Moton, the producer and editor of the show, filling in for Nat Cardona who is taking some well-deserved time off with the help of the reporters from the Tulsa World Crime Beat Chronicles spent the month of October telling the story of the Osage's and the reign of terror in the 1920s. Here's a bonus episode with the paper's Tim Stanley and Randy Krehbiel going into a little more detail about some of the crimes that took place. You know, one particular case that it's not mentioned in our story, but that I'm aware of and it was certainly mentioned in David Grann's book, was the the Case of William Stepson, a tribal member who died under mysterious circumstances and whose who's grandson is still alive in Osage County is a former Osage tribal court chief justice named Marvin Steps and William steps in. Apparently from from what we know. I mean, he'd gone out with some friends, came in later that night and laid down in his bed and and died. And he'd been out. I think he'd probably been drinking. This is you know, this is another way that, you know, this could have happened is, again, considering the historical context and the era of prohibition. Unregulated alcohol, bootleg whiskey, moonshine. I mean, everybody consumed this stuff. It was unregulated. Was not uncommon for someone to get, you know, a bad batch of alcohol, of moonshine and die from it. This was another way that you could potentially kill someone if you wanted to is just spike their whiskey. That may be what happened to William stepson is that he he got some bad whiskey. And, you know, his his grandson, Marvin, who who believes based on what he knows, he believes that it was strychnine, which was a poison that was very common and easy to come by and very, very effective. But it just it made no sense. Still makes no sense to Marvin that, you know, this perfectly otherwise healthy young man. His you know, his grandfather, William, just went out for a night. Everything was fine, comes home and does in bed in his sleep. Yeah. In a lot of the lists that you see, of the 24 victims, you will see William Stepson's name. I think it's been pretty commonly accepted among the people who've looked into this that we know enough in the case of William Steps and to to to declare him a victim, although again, like in other similar deaths, his was never investigated as a homicide that you know, that's you know, there's just so many so many opportunities to kill someone discretely. I don't know if it's the right word, but you don't have to shoot somebody. Fact, if you're going to shoot him, maybe, you know, it's hard to say why. You know, Henry Roane and some of the others were were killed as violently as they were, which would draw attention. You know, the fact is something was amiss that the killer was afoot unless it was to inspire terror. But so many of these other ones that were not are not necessarily connected to the two William Hale and his conspirators, maybe a marvin stepson, you know, or others. It's just hard to say. It could have been could always, always be a family member. And that's that's just one of the sad facts of this story, is is how quickly or how greed could could lead someone to kill a loved one, you know, to to get access to their to their wealth. I mean, that could be what we're talking about here with stepson and any number of others who died under suspicious circumstances like that. David Grann's book and the movie, they they each pull out the figure or the character of Mollie Burkhart and make her kind of the central figure in the story, you know. But Molly ultimately survives an attempt on her life. But that but her family was hit as hard as any. As far as we know. You know, in this in this story, she lost her wife. I'm sorry. Molly lost her a sister, potentially two sisters, and then her mother as well. And then and then did survive an attempt on her life. But one of her sisters, Anna Brown, is also sort of pivotal in the story because she is considered really to be the first victim. Now, again, it depends on where you start counting. Anna Brown was a she was clearly a homicide. Again, like Henry Rollins, she was shot in the head and found in the countryside outside of town. But she yes, she she's generally recognized as the first victim of what you know, what would become known as the reign of terror. And she was a sister to Mollie Burkhart. And they also had a sister named Rita Smith. Rita would also be killed. She was killed later, that one family. I mean, so many of the graves in in the tribal cemetery there in Gray Horse, which is where it's located in in Osage County. So many of the graves there are of family members of Molly's. And Molly's is there, too. She would die years later, not of suspicious circumstances, although undoubtedly the stress from this ordeal and she was already in poor health. Undoubtedly. I mean, you know, she it affected her and she she didn't live too much longer, too many more years after this. But, yeah, Molly's family, just a traditional Osage family. Her mother, you know, still believed very much in the old ways. Molly and her sisters were more, I guess, assimilated, so to speak. You know, they they had taken up and I. Anna Brown. Yes. She was found fatally shot May 1921. She disappeared days earlier. So she's considered really the first, although, you know, again, we could go back and probably find some suspicious deaths. With the Osage as they all when they started, they all had equal share. So any Osage was worth, you know, some some sort of money from their head. Right. Whereas with the Muskogee and the Cherokees, their mineral rights were tied to their individual allotment. So if you were if you were a member of one of those tribes that had a particularly valuable allotment, you could be targeted. And and so in some cases, you know, 19 six, 19, 1908, there were people who were disappearing. Some of them turned up alive somewhere else. Some of them were never found. There's a story about a creek boy, for instance, who went missing and they all thought he had been killed. Well, it turned out when one of his some businessmen had sent him to England to get him out of the way, they got him to sign, signed a lease on his allotment, and they sent him to England to get him out of the way. But he was still. Anyway, as far as the Osage, it really began to intensify. It seems like, you know, 19, probably around 1920. And that coincides with when the the the the height of the ban. Now, your article mentions an Osage, a young woman being kidnaped, I believe. Is that the woman you were referencing when you were talking about how she held what, eight had rights or something? Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. Yeah, this was and this was I think it was in the late twenties, but people would find a way to in this, especially white people would find a way to get power over, you know, get control of somebody. A lot had rights. In her case, there was some kind of a marriage or something set up with a with the local guy who apparently was just a front for some bigger group. And he took her off to Colorado Springs and and kept her there. And in this case, you know, lots of times the Guardians are are portrayed in an unfavorable eye. But in this case, he may have had self-interest. I don't know. But in this case, The Guardian went and found her and and got her back. Got her back to Oklahoma. And in the end, the ring was broken up. I think there were probably a lot of, you know, white people to who were not comfortable and in some cases were absolutely opposed to what was going on. But I didn't want to I don't want to make it sound like it's an equal thing. But the white people sometimes were affected by the reign of terror, too, because there were a couple of white guys tried to stand up for the hostages and they were murdered. And so it was it really was a reign of terror. It was pretty much on everybody who lived there in one way or another. And again, I want to stress, I'm not equating everybody the same, but it trickled down to a lot of different people. And as always, thanks for listening to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button so you don't miss what's ahead.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The latest episode of Late Edition: Crime Beat Chronicles is in partnership with the Tulsa World to introduce the story of the Osage Reign of Terror and the feature film Killers of the Flower Moon. In this episode, show producer Ambre Moton is joined by two writers from the Tulsa World, Randy Krehbiel and Jimmie Tramel to discuss the film Killers of the Flower Moon as well as the film and the Reign of Terror's places in pop culture. More coverage Read all of the coverage of the film Killers of the Flower Moon and related stories here. All episodes from this series can be found here. Also, for more on the movie, listen to the latest episode of Streamed & Screened: Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon' might be the best film you see this year. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Slack and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Welcome to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles, a Lee Enterprises Podcast. I'm Ambre Moton, the producer and editor of the show, filling in for Nat Cardona who's taking some well-deserved time off.  If you haven't listened to the first three episodes and our latest series about the Osage reign of terror, please go back and listen to those before starting this one. So far, we've talked about the history of the Osage tribe and how they ended up in what became the state of Oklahoma, their oil rich land, and how those rights to that land led to the horrible series of suspicious deaths. Kidnapings and the general environment of fear that made up the reign of terror. We've talked about the blue eyes, investigation and eventual conviction of those who are found guilty of the crimes. In this episode, we talk about the place in history and in pop culture that the reign of terror holds. This episode was recorded prior to the release of the film The Killers of the Flower Moon. Those age reign of terror may not have a prominent spot in the United States history curriculum, but it has established its place in popular culture with multiple books, plays, radio shows, films and more created about the events that went on during the 1920s. Most recently, the film Killers of the Flower Moon, based on a book by David Grann, was released on October 20th, 2023. Martin Scorsese directed and Leonardo DiCaprio and Lily Gladstone star in the film. The Tulsa World's pop culture reporter Jimmy Trammell and I talked about the place the reign of terror holds in pop culture, and a little more about the film. Why should people go see the movie, especially our true crime fans? I can't think of a reason that they should not go to see the movie. It's one of the. From a true crime standpoint, it's one of the biggest crimes in our nation's history that really has not been expounded on. It's crazy. This happened 100 years ago. And as far as us knowing about it, as far as the story being fleshed out, that it never really came to light nationally at all until David Grann's fantastic book became a bestseller. And then and then Scorsese's movie is going to take it to the next level. And I should tell you that initially the movie was going to be, here comes the FBI to solve these murders. And then Scorsese. DiCaprio I think that huddled and decided to pivot. And now this movie is not going to be strictly about FBI coming in. It's going to be. It's going to be wrapped around the marriage of DiCaprio's character and Lily Gladstone's character. It's going to focus on this very personal story. And by the way, we're going to wrap it in to the Osage reign of terror, which I think is a fantastic way of going about it in a personal story is always going to resonate more than a story of another kind. Completely agree that everyone is giving Martin Scorsese, the director, props 100% because he didn't just come in and say, I have adopted this book. We're going to make a movie at every step along the way. He has incorporated and involved and consulted the Osage people were I mean, it's their story. They were impacted. They should have a say in this. And so their language, their costumes, everything about their way of life is portrayed authentically in this film. It's not an outsider coming in and saying, to heck with that. We'll do it my way. You're going to see it portrayed legitimately. You did profile Julie O'Keefe, who was a wardrobe consultant on the film. Can you tell us a little bit about her, her background and why she was important to the portrayal of the Osage as in the movie? Julie O'Keefe, who has had some costume shops, but her resumé is far more extensive than having a costume shop. She was enlisted to be a costume designer, an Osage costume consultant on the film. And so they used pictures from back in the day. Other reference to really make sure the people you see in the film dressed in the way they were, you know, in the 1920s, 100 years ago. And that's another example of Martin Scorsese and his team just taking every measure possible to make sure the Osage, what you see on the screen, is authentic. I mean, he Martin Scorsese, he even said, well, I'm sorry. I was standing there with the Osage who said at the premiere in France that some of the actors on the screen are speaking Osage as well as some of the Osage Nation members. I love that we've come so far from having Italian actors playing natives to respecting the history, the people and the living history that's going on. And yeah, Chief Strongbow, the Native American wrestler, was an Italian word. So what you're talking about. Exactly. I mean, I can turn on any Western on TV in the next room and see Mr. Spock playing a Native American. I love Leonard Nimoy, but he's not a Native American. So we we love. Yes. That people of a certain ethnicity are playing those people in pop culture. No better example of this than Reservation Dogs, the television series that wrapped up a three year run and was shot in Oklahoma as well. I grew up in small town Oklahoma and primarily a Cherokee community, and the people I see, the people I saw in reservation dogs. I look at them and think, I grew up exactly with these people. Especially with everything else going on in the world. It's just great to see the respect to culture being given. Well, typically, how the Native Americans have been portrayed and in movie and TV is John Wayne is shooting at them and that's it. I mean, I I've had I have many native friends, but I had one native friend tell me like, hey, when I was young, I would watch Cowboy and Indian movies and root for the Cowboys. How crazy is that? And he's native because, you know, that's the story being told and and you buy in. But I mean, it's so important now that we can see the Native American not as a stereotype, but just as as a human being, as someone who you don't have to tell a native story per se. You can tell a human being story. And by the way, they happen to be native. I know you talked about it a little bit, but what kind of reactions have you heard or seen from Julie and the other Osages. They had an Osage Nation premiere in Tulsa for only the Osage and people who took part in the film And kind of a takeaway was very powerful, very emotional. Glad to see this story being brought to light. But also it's a lot to wrap your head around because if you were in the movie and that premiere in Tulsa, you're probably sitting with people whose grandmother grandfather died as a result of these murders. So it's a lot to process, a lot to wrap your head around. Did anybody express any discomfort about participating in the movie? I mean, you mentioned that some of the people who were there, they might have had grandparents who were, you know, their lives were taken because of all of this. Were there people who might have been reticent at first to participate? Well, because of history, you couldn't blame anyone for being a little tread cautiously. But I think Martin Scorsese, he got rid of all that wariness early on because he met with the Osage. Is right away before they started filming and made it clear that the Osage people would be treated respectfully. I think this movie is going to create a lot of opportunity for the Osage, and as other films go out forward, we've seen, you know, Native Representation and the Great Prey Predator movie last year. Many of the people who were extras or worked on Killers of the Flower Moon now have an opportunity to go on and work on some other things. Oklahoma has a pretty rich film history, you know, you wouldn't think. But they do. Like The Outsiders was filmed here in 82 that launched the careers of Matt Dillon, Patrick Swayze and Rob Lowe. Tom Cruise, he told me, Tell Ralph, Marty, Mojo, all those guys. And in fact, the exact county where killers of the Flower Moon was filmed was where August Osage County was filmed ten years ago. But by far, this figures to be the biggest blockbuster film ever shot on Oklahoma soil. And I think everyone is just happy that instead of going to California and on some down soundstage, Martin Scorsese brought those actors to where everything occurred. So it could be as true to life as possible. We have to take a quick break, so don't go too far. And of course, I caught up with Randy Krehbiel about the film, why people should see it, and how the reign of terror had something in common with another major criminal event that took place in the same area and at the same time period, as I understand it, Martin Scorsese, he shot the film in Osage County. I think the majority of it was shot there. A little bit of it was shot here in Tulsa. In fact, catty corner from our office at the federal courthouse. And I think they shot some in Guthrie, which is a town over north of Oklahoma City and maybe a few other places. But most of it was shot there. And from everything we've heard from the Osage, is he really made an effort? Leonardo DiCaprio made an effort to be very authentic with it in terms of the the people, the language. My understanding is, is that the actors, the main actors all learned some Osage so they could deliver lines in Osage. So my understanding is, is that, you know, it's about betrayal. The movie the movie is about betrayal. And I think betrayal is asked is almost always support a crime. You're betraying someone in some way. And and it's about how, you know, it focuses I think a lot on this one couple and and in in the birchard he's played by Leonardo DiCaprio his struggle with you know apparently he really did care for his wife but he was also he also was kind of under the influence of this uncle who only cared about money and had been taught, you know, to think only about money. And also that, you know, Indian people were not really they didn't really count. Right. Right. And that and I think, you know, and that also often plays into crime. But I think there's a lot psychologically that people who are interested in crime would would find insightful. I think it's a good way for us to start exploring the history that we aren't all taught. Sure, it might be Leo's face up there, but I know there are tons of times where I've gone to see movies that are based on true stories. And then I start Googling and I start reading. And, you know, you kind of fall down that rabbit hole. Well, you hope so. And, you know, it's. I mean, history is almost always more complicated than you can sit. And this is is a very long movie. Apparently, it's I'm told it's three and a half hours long that. Scorsese. But even in with that, you know, yeah, there are things that are left out but but hope that hopefully it takes people's attention interest and as you mentioned there is just an awful lot of history that gets. Swept under the rug neglected over. Yeah well, you know, I've told this a lot. I've said this a lot of times, but I think it's true is that you know, history, the teaching of history serves to almost oppositional purposes. One is one is to try and create this sort of legend about the place we live and who we are. And it's all, you know, we're all the good guys and they're all the bad guys. And that sort of thing. And it's all positive. It's more about image and building community and and patriotism and all that stuff. And then there's sort of and then there's the grittier history that requires some critical thinking and and shows you that, you know, what the the rules tend to favor the people who make the rules. And you mentioned that you had done a lot of writing about the Tulsa race massacre, which was, what, 1921, I believe? Yep. Yep. Was there overlap? I mean, obviously timing. Yes. But I a little bit. And one of the stories that talks about that a little bit so and Brian was found about I think it was ten days before the Tulsa race massacre. so so, you know, so that was very close in time. And there are some people who show up in both stories. One of them is a guy named John Gustafson, who was the police chief of Tulsa and was removed from office. He was basically impeached and removed from office after the massacre for dereliction of duty. Well, he was also a private detective. And so at the same time, he was the chief of police and being removed from office in Tulsa. He'd been hired by Inner Brown's family to find out who killed her. And so he spent a lot of time traipsing around Osage County and according to the FBI and that what they concluded was that he was trying to play both sides. He'd come up with information and then he'd try and chop it and see who he could get the most money for. So from. And so there is that. And then there's another guy that is semi important, a a couple more. One is a guy named John Goldsberry who at the time of the race massacre was the assistant county attorney in Tulsa. And he was the guy who was in who was part of the prosecution of John Gustafson and was also kind of involved in telling the people who I don't know how much of the Tulsa story, you know, but there was this group of people that were trying to take over the Greenwood area and they and they failed. And he was kind of in the group that was telling them, you can't do that. That's a bad idea. So then eight years later, in 1929, he was the U.S. attorney in Tulsa and he was involved in the final prosecution. Bill Hale and in John Ramsey. And then finally, I'd mentioned, well, I guess there's a team or so also there is an attorney again named Prince Freeling. And Prince Freeling was the attorney general at the time of the Tulsa race massacre. And he came in and blow in and go in and he ran the grand jury and all that stuff. By the time that the Ramsey and Hale were on trial, he was out of office and he was part of their defense team. And then and so then I know these guys are all lawyers. It's amazing how many lawyers there are involved in this. But anyway, there's a lawyer named TJ Leahy who is from Pawhuska, and he was guest Gaston's attorney in the in his impeachment trial. But then he was hired by the Osage people to look out for their interests in these prosecutions. And he was involved in the prosecution of every one of these people who went to trial, whether it was in state trial or state court or federal court. He was there as part of the prosecution and and was the guy that Burkhart went to during a state trial in Pawhuska and said, I'm tired of lying. I just want to tell the truth. And he turned on his turned on his uncle. So there are people that I've never seen like a direct, you know, like the people who burned down and were stealing money from people. And I haven't seen that. But there are there are some familiar names. Gotcha. I would say there is this connection, which is that in both cases you see where the lives of, you know, minorities, of people of color and especially women just didn't matter very much. You know, in Tulsa when they decided they were going to do something different with, with the Greenwood area, They didn't ask the black people who lived there. They just tried to do it. Yeah. All right. Well, if you owned the property. By the way, for the most. Part, so they formed this community. Well, so in, you know, in in the Osage, it was like, in fact, there's a quote in one of the FBI reports from there was a notorious outlaw, who was approached about killing a bill and ready to smear who's there, the folks who were blown up in the movie. And he said he wouldn't do it, that he had never he had never stoop so low that he would kill a woman even if she was an Indian. That's something that, you know, that that says it right. These these folks, they just you know, it it wasn't so much in my observation, it wasn't so much that they hated them. It was that they just didn't care anyway. Yeah. They were. They weren't worth anything. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so that is the connection. Very. I hate to say it's interesting because it's such a horrific things happened, but it's impossible to teach comprehensive history, you know, especially at junior high, high school, you know, elementary level. I just wish that it was a little more comprehensive, I guess I should say. Yeah. I mean, I think one of the hard things about teaching school, whatever it is, is deciding what's important in what you know, what's what are the priorities as far as teach. Well, So you do have to learn the fundamentals of history. But somewhere in there, you know, I think there's also room to learn about, you know, not everything was done, you know, virtuously. And it and you do have to question, motivations and things like why do people do the things they do? I think that's just a useful life. You know, I think one of the things that's really hard when you're writing about things like this, whether it's Tulsa or or we're talking about it or the Osage deal is how you talk about a singular event that's particularly horrific and then put it in a larger context without appearing to or actually diminishing that one event. And so, you know, the only thing I'd say is that what happened in Osage County was a singular, ah, event and particularly distressing. But things like that happened all over the and Oklahoma had some of the during the during the oil booms of the early 20th century, some pretty, pretty bad places. And they say something about, you know, human greed and and just sort of the human condition that we should be aware of and like what we were talking about earlier, where we had a I hope we've passed it. But, you know, I'm not always convinced we are that, you know, people who are different than us just don't matter. Are people who are in the in our way don't matter. You know, as a reporter, always trying to look at what is singular about this event, but also how does it fit into sort of the universe of things and how do you tell that story without how do you balance it, you know, and how do how do you not diminish, you know, this one group or one individual's story and yet presented in the full context. And that's where we're wrapping things up with the reign of terror. For more details about the crimes life in the area in the 1920s, the film Killers of the Flower Moon and the Hostages, please visit the Tulsa World's website. There are links in the show notes to all of the content. The reporters and editors at the paper created. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button so you don't miss what's coming up next. And you can go back in and check out any of our past episodes that you may have missed.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The guys discuss the film adaptation of KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON, the Martin Scorsese adaptation from the bestselling David Grann nonfiction novel of the same name. It tells the story of the investigation of a series of murders that took place in the early 1920s in Osage County, Oklahoma. After big oil deposits were found under their land, the Osage people were awarded headrights to the profits made from the oil deposits, but a complex plot is hatched by a number of white locals to kill the Osage inheritors and receive the headrights themselves. … The film adaptation stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert DeNiro and Lily Gladstone. The film was released on October 20, 2023 and was directed by Martin Scorsese, with the screenplay written by Eric Roth and Martin Scorsese. … Topics of discussion include the shift in story framing, the Tom White backstory that didn't make it to the screen, the different types of full moons, and whether or not intermissions should be allowed in movie theaters. … Listen to the episode to find out how the series stacks up to the book. … (0:00) From the book… (1:05) Fast facts, recap, trivia… (16:51) A word from our sponsor… (17:28) Studio pitch & novel breakdown… (35:41) Trailer (38:04) Learn you something, differences from the book… … Our next episode will be on the adaptation of the Alasdair Gray novel, POOR THINGS, which is directed by Yorgos Lanthimos and stars Emma Stone, Mark Ruffalo and Willem Dafoe. The film's release date is set for December 8, 2023. … If you would like to get in contact with us about anything regarding the show, feel free to shoot us an e-mail: littolens@gmail.com … Or reach out on social media: twitter.com/littolens instagram.com/littolens

With the release of Martin Scorsese's latest, Derek Miranda (@DerekMiranda85) and Karen Peterson (@KarenMPeterson) discuss Scorsese's 21st century filmography and review KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON.  As always, featured reviews are done in two parts, a NON-SPOILER review with letter grade and brief discussion, followed by a more in depth SPOILER review. PLOT SUMMARY: In the 1920s, members of the Osage Native American tribe of Osage County, Oklahoma, are murdered after oil is found on their land, and the FBI decides to investigate. Directed by: Martin Scorsese Written by: Eric Roth and Martin Scorsese Starring: Leonardo DiCaprio, Lily Gladstone, Robert De Niro, Jesse Plemons, Tantoo Cardinal, Cara Jade Myers, Janae Collins, Jillian Dion, Jason Isbell, William Belleau, Brendan Fraser, John Lithgow *Clip from KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON courtesy of Paramount Pictures and Apple Original Films. @TheWatchAndTalk (Twitter/Instagram) Facebook.com/TheWatchAndTalk www.TheWatchAndTalk.com TheWatchAndTalk@gmail.com Support the show! www.Patreon.com/TheWatchAndTalk

The latest episode of Late Edition: Crime Beat Chronicles is in partnership with the Tulsa World to introduce the story of the Osage Reign of Terror and the feature film Killers of the Flower Moon. In this episode, show producer Ambre Moton is joined by three writers from the Tulsa World, Randy Krehbiel, Jimmie Tramel and Tim Stanley, to discuss how the Bureau of Investigation came to investigate the killings, the handling of the case, the people held responsible for the killings and why the federal government had jurisdiction.  More coverage Read all of the coverage of the film Killers of the Flower Moon and related stories here. All episodes from this series can be found here. Also, for more on the movie, listen to the latest episode of Streamed & Screened: Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon' might be the best film you see this year. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Slack and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Welcome to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles, a Lee Enterprises Podcast. I'm Ambre Moton, the producer and editor of the show, filling in for Nat Cardona who's taking some well-deserved time off.  If you haven't listened to the first two episodes of our series about the Osage reign of terror, please go back and listen to those before starting this one. So far, we've talked about the history of the Osage tribe and how they ended up in what became the state of Oklahoma. Their oil rich land. And how those rights were divided. And the horrible series of murders or suspicious deaths. Kidnappings and the environment of fear that made up what historians and journalists call the reign of terror. This week we're talking about the investigations into the crimes, what they found and more. Randy Krehbiel of The Tulsa World reminds us about how difficult it was to get proper investigations into the deaths of the Osage community. Who hired a private detectives to find the cause for the suspicious deaths? The Osage Tribal Council finally petitioned the federal government to send investigators, and in April of 1923, the Bureau of Investigation, the precursor to the FBI, assigned agents to the case. Here's what Randy had to say about the investigation. Well, it was called the reign of terror, because people just lived in terror. They were afraid to to talk. And when the FBI came in there in 1923 to try and sort things out in their in their letters and reports and so forth from that time, you know, they talk about how people are just terrified to talk and and they would not talk to outsiders at all. And, in fact, this is just been talked about a lot with with this book and movie. They wound up putting some some men undercover to try and insinuate themselves into the community so they could get information because people were afraid if they if they told what they knew or what they thought and they were honest about it, they they'd be killed. And and this and this was true of a lot of a lot of people. And, you know, I think Mollie Burkhart, at one time, she told her priest that she was afraid. People just, you know, people people who were not part of the and even some of them who were part of the these these organizations that were that were doing these things were afraid to talk about it. And sometimes they were afraid to talk about it because they were involved, too. You know, but but they often they were afraid to talk about it because of repercussions against themselves. Tulsa World's Jimmy Trammel commented about the investigation's primary target. Who were the the FBI, you know, kind of focusing on or suspecting of all these crimes? Well, Jesse Plemons plays the FBI character, I think, in the in the film. And as far as the actual suspects, you had some other people had kind of amateurish early tried to be the detective or figured this out or, you know, paid to find things out. What ended up happening was the gentleman who was ultimately the suspect and the primary culprit and was put on trial, many people was like, oh, my, he couldn't it couldn't be that guy. He couldn't do it because he's friendly. He was probably the most soldiers. But I mean, you just never know. I mean, it was some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing kind of deal. I asked Tulsa World's Tim Stanley about how well the boy investigated and who they held responsible for the 24 murders that they determined were on an official record. Federal investigators did a good job in so far as it went. I mean, they did they did investigate it. They did bring charges. And they did get convictions. I think the problem is, is that they were more or less content to kind of tie a bow on the whole thing at that point and then move on, which I mean, that's we see that even today in cases of mass killings or where you have serial killers or who are suspected of being connected to any number of deaths, once they get the conviction on on one or two deaths and they get that person off the street, often that's the end of it. You know, for them that, you know, the value in the case to them has, you know, they've they've achieved. But that's yeah. I mean, I think that's kind of what you had here is it was investigated and the federal agency which you know, as we may have discussed previously, the one that it would become the FBI, they did they did a solid job and bringing at least some justice in this case. But they were they didn't really want to dig any further than than just the initial investigation. I mean, J. Edgar Hoover, you know, who was the boss at the time? You know, he got he was well-known for enjoying publicity. And he saw that as valuable to the agency. And he's right. I mean, public relations matter. So, you know, coming in and getting this getting some convictions here, getting a lot of good press out of it, I think satisfied him. And he had no reason to to investigate it or direct that it be investigated further. So, yeah, unfortunate. But you know what that leads us here. You know, 100 years later and tribal members over the decades leaves us all asking a lot of questions that unfortunately can never be answered. How many people were eventually held responsible or convicted, at least of some of these crimes? There were three principal convictions. And the one that's, you know, most significant is the trial and conviction of William Hale and two of the others who were convicted along with him were associates of his. He he has always been considered the mastermind behind many in the slayings, although, again, I think, as we just discussed, the investigators were pretty happy to hang the whole thing on him that made it, you know, a cleaner case and then they could move on in all likelihood. You know, there were many other perpetrators acting independently of Mr. Hale, just opportunists, again, close family members who saw an opportunity to inherit. He was the primary conviction. He was. And he was important, very significant. Even if even if the feds didn't, you know, go any further than this. I mean, it's just, you know, without a doubt, he was behind several of them. And, you know, he ended up I think everyone, the three Hale and his associates were given life sentences, but they were all eventually paroled after just a handful of years, which, you know, is kind of a sad, you know, footnote to this is that while they did face justice, well, they were convicted. You know, they they did end up not serving all of that long. And so while the people obviously it's often this way with justice, but obviously the people that they killed, you know, that that was it for them that these guys did eventually get to get out. But yeah, so three primary, there may have been some others and some tangentially related cases, but three primary convictions. And with William Hale being the chief one. We have to take a quick break. So don't go too far. And Randy added more details about those held responsible and a little about those who weren't. How many people were held responsible for the reign of terror? Almost no one. Almost no one. So in the case of the murders that are highlighted in killers of the flower moon, the two main defendants, as it turned out, were Bill Hale, who was accused of being that kind of the mastermind, and a guy named John Ramsey, who was kind of a ne'er do well cowboy, who basically just, you know, did whatever Hale told him to do. And so each of them was tried three times in federal court for the same murder. And and they were of the first time was a hung jury. They were convicted. This is they were convicted in the next two. And and after the first conviction, there was an appeal. And so they had to be tried again. So those two guys went to prison. Molly Burkhart has been also went to prison. A guy named Kelsey Mawson who killed Anna Brown, who was who was Molly Burkhart sister, he went to prison. Byron Burkhart, who was a Molly Burkhart brother in law, even though he had confessed to killing Hannah Brown, never went to prison. He he testified against Kelsey Morse and in his trial ended in a hung jury. He was never retried. And I'm getting a little bit off your your question here, but I think you'll find this interesting. In the sixties, there was an Osage woman die and she left behind a letter that said, if something happens to me, look at Byron. Well, she was living with Byron Burkhart, who had been involved in these things 40 years before and in and again, he nothing ever happened to him. So I think there were some others that were prosecuted, but but they were very few. And one of the things you realize, especially in going through these FBI papers and reading the trial stories, is how hard it was to get convictions in these things. And and emails case. He had a lot of money and he just pretty blatantly went out and bought tried to buy alibis. I mean the the federal officials and some of the state officials that they were working with were just furious at what they considered to be dishonest and unethical behavior, behavior by his lawyers and some of these lawyers were pretty well known. One of them was a former attorney general in the state of Oklahoma, the the his defense lawyers. So the answer to your question is not many and not only not many, you know, go to prison over this. They really didn't stay very long. They'll have all got out in 16 years. But Burkhart got out before that but then got in trouble again. He violated parole. And so they put him back in in prison. Kelsey Morrison got out in a few years and was killed in a shootout in Texas. So, you know, most of these guys, they didn't serve very long in it. I remember, you know, I was reading some of this stuff and at the same time, we had the the Jones case going on here. And and, you know, whether you think he's guilty or whatever. But I just I couldn't help thinking about the difference in the way, you know, we think about that, at least in Oklahoma. It's pretty routine for people to get life without parole, if not the death penalty. And these guys were out in 16 years. So, you know, I'm sure somebody who is a lot smarter than I am to try and figure out what all of the different racial biases and so forth were in the criminal justice system or in the criminal justice system. I will say just in general, at that time, they didn't they tended not to keep people in prison any longer than they had to. They were you know, they were. It wasn't for profit back then? It wasn't. Well, no, it was it was a cost. And a lot of the states didn't have a lot of money to to they'd rather turn the guys loose and than keep housing and feeding them. Right. Yeah, exactly. How did the government kind of impact this? The FBI came in to investigate. Was the federal government making sure allocations and money were going to the right places and right people? Was it state or was it tribal responsibility? So in theory and this is one of the things that we're still fighting about in Oklahoma, but in theory, the the Osage reservation was dissolved, that statehood. And that's pretty much held up even with some recent Supreme Court decisions that have decided that some of the other reservations weren't dissolved, that statehood. So it was dissolved, that statehood. However, you still had the Osage is owned a lot of the land there because it had been allotted to them. So again, this gets a little complicated, but the state officials did not think they could get a conviction in this case, in state court and in Pawhuska. They wanted the federal government to come in. They wanted. And so the federal government has jurisdiction over Indian land. And and so and there was a lot of discussion at the time to our guys even have any kind of authority here. The the FBI was not even the FBI at that time. It was just the Bureau of Investigation in the Department of Justice. And it had very, very limited authority. And so the key sort of the key thing in bringing this case down, or one of the key things was that one of the men who who was killed, Henry Roan, was killed on an allotment that was still owned by the original L.A. The federal judge in Oklahoma originally ruled that the federal government didn't have authority over that allotment, and it went up to the U.S. Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court said no and allotment is Indian land. And that means the federal the federal government has the authority to to to do this. And so almost all of the real police work, if you will, on this was done by the by the Bureau of Investigation. And they were helped by somewhat by state and local officials. But in their letters, they talk about they just didn't feel like there were many of those people they could trust because of their interest in, first of all, what was going on in Osage County. But then more broadly, you know, they did not want anybody looking too closely into the what was going on with these Indian allotments and in the mineral rights. So. So the involvement of the federal government was key. It's really unlikely that that anything could have been done in the Osage Nation, had actually gone to Congress and asked them to intervene. The Osage is pay a big part and maybe all of the federal government's expenses in prosecuting this case. They paid the federal government to investigate these, or at least they paid the expenses of the federal government to do that. I think another important person in this does not get a lot of attention was Charles Curtis. Charles Curtis was a U.S. senator from Kansas, his whose mother was a college Indian, who was born in in that in what is now Oklahoma. And he was later the vice president of the United States. And he got involved in it and and pushed the Department of Justice to do something. And that, folks, is where we're leaving it for this episode. Thanks for listening to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles. Don't forget to hit that. Subscribe button so you don't miss what's coming up next. 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Kihekah Avenue cuts through the town of Pawhuska, Okla., roughly north to south, forming the only corridor you might call a “business district” in the town of 2,900. Standing in the middle is a small TV-and-appliance store called Hometown, which occupies a two-story brick building and hasn't changed much in decades. Boards cover its second-story windows, and part of the sign above its awning is broken, leaving half the lettering intact, spelling “Home.”One winter day in February 2021, Jack Fisk stood before Hometown with Martin Scorsese, explaining how beautiful it could be. For much of the last week, he and Scorsese had been walking around Pawhuska, scouting set locations for the director's 28th feature film, “Killers of the Flower Moon.” The film, which is based on David Grann's best-selling book, chronicles the so-called 1920s Reign of Terror, when the Osage Nation's discovery of oil made them some of the richest people in the world but also the target of a conspiracy among white people seeking to kill them for their shares of the mineral rights.To render the events as accurately as possible, Scorsese had decided to film the movie in Osage County. It would be a sprawling, technically complicated shoot, with much of the undertaking falling to Fisk. Unlike production designers who use soundstages or computer-generated imagery, he prefers to build from scratch or to remodel period buildings, and even more than most of his peers, he aspires to exacting historical detail. His task would be to create a full-scale replica of a 1920s boom town atop what remains of 2020s Pawhuska.This story was recorded by Audm. To hear more audio stories from publications like The New York Times, download Audm for iPhone or Android.

We review Martin Scorsese's new movie, 'Killers of the Flower Moon.' Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert De Niro and Lily Gladstone, 'Killers of the Flower Moon' is a western crime drama that follows the suspicious murders of wealthy indigenous people in Osage County, Oklahoma during the 1920s after oil is found beneath their land. (00:00) DraftKings (00:52) Intro/Taylor Swift Eras Tour movie (04:29) 'Killers of the Flower Moon' review (27:07) Letterboxd scores

On this week's episode of the Northeast Newscast, Managing Editor Abby Hoover interviews actress Charisse Taylor about "Killers of the Flower Moon," based on the true story of members of the Osage Native American tribe of Osage County, Oklahoma,  being murdered after oil is found on their land in the 1920's. They discuss Charisse's role in the film, her connection to Historic Northeast, her thoughts on casting, filming and working with director Martin Scorsese, and how her medical background played a role in the film, which was shot on location in Oklahoma. The film is in theaters locally starting this week. 

Killers of the Flower Moon is an incisive commentary on the ideology of "manifest destiny" in furtherence of white supermacy as justification for murder. Adapated from the 2017 nonfiction book, Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI by journalist David Grann, Killers pulls audiences into the heart of a plot against wealthy members of the Osage Nation in Osage County, Oklahoma.    The narrative of the book, however, uses the murders as a vehicle to detail how the bureau of federal investigators (FBI) came into being. Like most stories rooted in US history, and told by white American writers, its non-white actors take a back seat to the elements and aspects of the tale deemed "more fitting" to focus on. Thankfully, the story of the creation of the FBI isn't the one that interested co-writer/director Martin Scorsese. The film shfts away from being an account told from the persepctive of one of the burea investigators, Tom White, to being a slowly unfolding murder consipriacy viewed primarily through the lens of co-conspiratior, Ernest Burkhart (DiCaprio).  It, along with the many other narrative shifts, is a wicked decision. Being forced to watch these events unfold through an utterly loathsome character leverages the tropes of the American Western into a biting commentary of how white people can justify anything - including multiple murder- to seize what they believe is their by right of desity. There are few more cutting indigments of the sense of entitlement than watching the scam unravel in real time.    This revisionsist western epic reinserts historical truth into a well acted, beautifully shot and paced tale that also exposes the underbelly of the criminal procedural as its third act widens the lenghts to make it clear the horrid motivations of the power hungery were in no way limited to Osage County. Killers of the Flower Moon is insanely well casting and beautifully acted. It's got depth, brutal honesty, and a building tension that holds up through the end. It's deliberately off-putting to realize the primary lens is through DiCaprio's character but damned if that realization doesn't balance out to a net positive for a story. It subtle but this story framing isn't just a shift in order to focus on the white man's life. Viwer's are constantly left feeling some type of way every second; even to the parts where they may initially be "can't relate" about. It's far more thoughtful and unflinching than usual and successfully frames its narrative as a tale about the evil that white men do without infantlizing its vicitms.    Scorsese knew it wasn't his place and he didn't have the range to tell the story from an Indigenous perspective but he damn well knows how to tell a story about the evil men do in plain sight that's beyond compelling. By staying in his narrative lane, so to speak, Killers of the Flower Moon draws stark comparrison how comfortable white people are with stories that stack white opinions on non-white bodies by with a tale blatantly driving the narrative through white man's greed and insatiable sense of entitlement. Towards that end. Lily Gladstone's portrayal of Mollie Burkart is undertstated yet evocative perfectly frames exactly how despicable everything going on around her truly is. Her calm center a perfect foil for DiCaprio's more agitated performance as well as an riviting juxtaposistion to the insidious sevngalieque nature of DeNiro's brilliant turn as wealthy landowner uncle William Hale.    It's impossible to come away from Killers intensely engaging storytelling - that makes the most of everything Scorsese knows about building a crime thriller - without wanting more insight from the perspective of Gladeston's Mollie. But depsite the obvious positive impact the Osage consultants had on everthing from setting, costuming, production, to dialogue, it's clear that story belongs in the hands of an Indegious (hopefully Osage) storyteller.

The latest episode of Late Edition: Crime Beat Chronicles is in partnership with the Tulsa World to introduce the story of the Osage Reign of Terror and the upcoming film Killers of the Flower Moon. In this episode, show producer Ambre Moton is joined by two writers from the Tulsa World, Randy Krehbiel and Tim Stanley, to discuss the motives for the murders and detail some of the crimes and the environment of fear that the Reign of Terror caused in the Osage community. More coverage Read all of the coverage of the film Killers of the Flower Moon and related stories here. All episodes from this series can be found here. Also, for more on the movie, listen to the latest episode of Streamed & Screened: Martin Scorsese's 'Killers of the Flower Moon' might be the best film you see this year. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Slack and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Welcome to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles, a Lee Enterprises Podcast. I'm Ambre Moton, the producer and editor of the show, filling in for Nat Cardona who's taking some well-deserved time off. If you haven't listened to the last episode introducing our latest topic, The Osage Reign of Terror. Go check it out before listening to this one.  Today, we're continuing our look at the series of suspicious deaths in the 1920s of members of the Osage tribe in Oklahoma in the early 1900s. Oil was found on the land that the Osage is had purchased, but the Tulsa World's Randy Krehbiel explains more. The story is that for a long, long time, Indians had known that there were these oil seeps. You know, we're seeing oil would seep out of the ground and it'd be in springs and things like that. But through most of the 1800s, there wasn't really a lot of use for that. Well, they they actually they would use it for like rim remedies and things like that. It was considered medicinal. And so, of course, it wasn't until the invention of things like kerosene lamps and the internal combustion engine that that oil became more valuable. And so the first the first commercial oil well in Oklahoma or what became Oklahoma, this was completed in 1897, just outside the Osage Reservation, just on the eastern edge of it. And a couple of years later, the first well then was drilled in Oklahoma and about that time. And so this was around, you know, around 1900. And that was about the time we were starting to see motor vehicles and and again, kerosene was already pretty popular. People tend to forget that the first use of oil as as we think of it today, was actually kerosene and to use in lamps and things like that. So anyway, that was in the early 1900s, around 1900. And by O 1905 or 1906, they knew they had, you know, quite a bit right around the time of World War One is when it really picked up from like about, you know, about the mid 19 teens through around 1929 was kind of the height of the oil boom. And the Osage nation, the Osage is actually had relative little control over their own affairs. Almost all of that was handled by what now is the Bureau of Indian Affairs or or by the guardians that were appointed. You know, a lot of a lot of them had somebody who was appointed to handle their business affairs because they were not thought to be competent to handle their business affairs. So a lot of that was out of their hands. And also, I think a lot of them, especially the older ones, probably didn't even really completely understand what was going on. But when they first moved there, they probably mainly wanted to just be left alone and and it pretty became pretty soon became apparent that they were not going to be able to do that. When did the Osage reign of terror really begin? There's not really a definite date. So the killers of the Flower Moon, basically the book follow the is a period from about 1921 to about 1929. But there were probably people dying as early as 1912, 1910 or something like that. And interestingly enough, I mean, similar type things were going on in the adjoining Muskogee Creek Nation. The Cherokees had some of that going on. It was a different situation because with the Osage, as they all when they started, they all had equal share. So any Osage was worth, you know, some some sort of money from their head. Right. Whereas with the Muskogee and the Cherokees, their mineral rights were tied to their individual allotment. So if you were if you were a member, one of those tribes that had a particularly valuable allotment, you could be targeted. And and so in some cases, you know, 19 six, 1907, 1908, there were people who were disappearing. Some of them turned up alive somewhere else. Some of them were never found. As far as the Osage, it really began to intensify. It seems like, you know, 19, probably around 1920. And that coincides with when the the the the the height of the boom. So, you know, the boom was really taking off in the late teens, early twenties. By the late twenties, I'm sorry, the late teens, early twenties, it was pretty well subsiding by the late twenties. A very quick reminder about the Osage as mineral rights, the original allotments of the mineral rights were divided into over 2200 shares, which were called head rates as people died, had babies, got married, etc. those rights began moving around and you had some people with multiple rights and some with fractional rights. Making things even more complicated was the ability to pass had rights to non-tribal areas. I spoke with Randi's colleague, Tim Stanley about the series of crimes that earned the name the Osage reign of terror. I am Tim Stanley, reporter here for the Tulsa World have been with the world for a little over 20 years, the reign of terror. I think that was a term that was probably coined maybe by a journalist. I'm not real sure of the origins of it, but I know it did appear in some of the newspapers of the time, but it was a reference to a series of murders that took place among Osage Nation tribal members in the early 1900s. Specifically, I think they date them or officially to like 1921 to 26, that a five year span. Of course, as we as David Grant in his book has pointed out, and as we also did in our series, the the exact years that this took place and the true number of victims probably were probably talking about a much larger span than just that five years. But the murders were, you know, committed by I mean, there was a conspiracy involved. But at the same time, there were a lot of people just individually taking the opportunity they saw to to cheat and exploit and white people taking the opportunity to cheat and exploit their Osage neighbors there in Osage County. But yeah, I just I mean, I think specifically the reign of terror and the word terror there refers to, you know, just how this atmosphere of dread and terror that that really materialized in Osage County. Among the tribal citizens. Thereafter, I think the first three or four killings, I mean, when it kind of became obvious that that these were connected and that potentially anyone who was a member of the tribe could be next. So, yeah, it was I mean, as reported in the newspapers at the time and as David Grann and others have chronicled, it was a time of heightened fear. You had many this was I mean, the electric light bulb in that at that time was still a relatively new innovation. But for a lot of the people, Osage tribal members living outside of the town of Pawhuska or some of the other towns, they lived in the countryside. And Grant describes this in his book that they began to put up electric lights on their properties at night in such a way that they just really are shown for miles around. And they were doing that really out of fear, out of what might be out there in the darkness. Of course, as as we would come to find out, it was less the danger that was out there in the darkness. For many of these folks. It was less what was out there as opposed to what was was inside and close to them. Many of the murders, as it turns out, were committed very sadly by people They trusted, people they knew, family members, close family members, spouses, people who who would then have access to their oil wealth, which was really the motive behind it all. How many victims were there officially? Officially, this is this is where it's interesting, the number that has been tossed around, you know, for years, even before the grand book was was 24. And where that. Which is a lot in a nutshell. That's definitely I mean, it should be eye opening, just as it is today. People know where that comes from. It's interesting, You know, the federal investigators at the time who investigated this case and ultimately, you know, brought charges that that number was one that they put out there. And I think their exact words were they believed that there were at least 24 victims. So they were even, you know, in their language, I think, leaving it open for more. But the 24, you know, that's that's the number that has sort of been, you know, considered official. But, you know, the problem with it, as you know, as we as would as we found out and in our own reporting and as has been reported, you know, my grand you know, the T4, you know, is probably well shy, well short of what the true number was. You know, the problem with the 24 is that and and it's given rise to so much speculation is in saying that there were at least 24 you know, federal investigators didn't give you give or provide a list of those 24. So all we've been able to do, you know, in retrospect, and that includes, you know, the tribal members who've looked into this, is sort of speculate at the top for themselves. Now, some of them are obvious. Three homicides that ended up, you know, charges being brought in that were investigated as homicides. But then you had many others that were just the circumstances were probably suspicious, but they were never investigated as homicides. It's just it's really in other words, it's really hard to come up with a definitive list of the 24 that, you know, federal investigators, you know, thought were were victims here. You know, you'll find lists out there where people speculate on who they might have been. And between those lists, some names or certainly they have in common. But yeah, they didn't they didn't do us any favors when they put that number out there all those years ago and then didn't bother to elaborate on on who that might be. All of them outside of the ones in their specific cases. I think the best thing you can say about it is it's more of a starting point. I mean, it's it's a number that was put out there by the people who investigated it. So it's worth considering. But the problem is we don't even know who the 424 were. And and we now have reason to believe that there were many more in addition to that, that was never made the list. So. So that's that's where the number comes from. And just a little background on it. I guess, unofficially, members of the Osage tribe, do they have another estimate for victims? And when we had a chance to sit down with some of the tribal officials and we talked to the chief Standing bear. Chief for Standing Bear, the principal chief. He said, you know, once there was a time many, many years ago, several decades, when when they were sort of informally talking about this just amongst themselves. And again, very informal, he said. But the number they came up with was I would have put it at well over a hundred killed for their oil wealth during that time span and that it would have been roughly 5% of the tribe's then population, which is pretty eye opening. And he said, you know, even then there were other some of the older members of the tribe who maybe had, you know, who were around even back at the time, who thought that estimate was too low. So, you know, so the tribe unofficially, based on that very informal internal investigation, you know, suggested or proposed well over 100, I mean, 100 compared to 24. So we're talking a death toll, you know, really far exceeding that original estimate. But as you know, Chief Standing Bear pointed out to us, there's just nothing there's no way to do anything with that. There's no way to to, you know, make it any more official than just that. It's pure speculation because that's all you can do, really. A hundred years removed from the events when the when the when the deaths were not necessarily investigated as homicides and when when all you've got or family stories or family suspicions. I mean, that's all you can do is speculate. I mean, it's nothing wrong with that. Speculation can be a good thing. And in this case, I think it is a good thing. But as he would say and remember, it is speculation. It's just it's something we can never know, unfortunately. The way people were killed, it wasn't the same. It wasn't everyone was shot or whatever. No, that would have that sure to have made it a lot easier. Right. From a from an investigative standpoint. But no, you could probably put them into categories. And that's, you know, the ones that were obviously violent and there were many shootings. There was a you know, as it's going to be vividly, I think, portrayed in the movie, there was a house that was dynamited and blown up. Three people killed in it. So those I mean, obviously, you know, those didn't take Sherlock Holmes to to know that you were dealing with homicides. But there were a lot of others, you know, that were just very quiet and just where the, you know, the homicide, if, in fact, that's what it was, just just wasn't obvious and would have taken some serious investigation and in most cases was not done. And in the article that you wrote about how the total number of victims, you know, we may or we will never know the total number of victims compared to what's officially on record. You talked about a few specific or wrote about a few specific stories. Is there anything about those that you'd want to share on the podcast? You know, it's difficult, you know, a hundred years removed to find people who can talk about it or family members that still remember. I you know, we I guess, you know, centrally or especially important to our story was, you know, an interview we did with former Osage principal chief Jim Gray, who is the great grandson of one of the one of the pivotal, pivotal figures, you know, in the whole story. And that was Henry Roan, who was one of the victims and who was a victim who ultimately it was his his slaying that that Hale and the others held accountable were charged for Henry, you know, ended up being a pivotal figure in the story. He was he was murdered, found, you know, shot in the head. He was one of the early murders. He was a he wasn't the first, but it was his that I think, as we mentioned, really, really sort of triggered the terror as we called it at that point, that people could really connect the dots and see that that somebody was out to get these tribal members. But yeah, I think the interview with with former Chief Gray about his his great grandfather was was critical to our story because, number one, I mean, Henry is is so important to the overall story but also just the insights that that Jim Gray could give a contextual understanding of the other forces at work in Henry's life and in helping or making him who he was at that point in his life. But yeah, I mean, he never you know, Jim Gray never had a chance to know his great grandfather. He just knew him through things that his mother would tell him about Henry, who was her grandfather. You know, we went to one of the interviews we did was with the former executive director of the Osage History Museum in Pawhuska, which is a sort of a repository there of a lot of tribal history and artifacts. So a wonderful place if you ever get a chance to go. But the former executive director of that is the lady still lives in that era area named Katherine Red Corn. She talked to us. She she was interviewed by David Grann for his book Killers of the Flower Moon and in it as as in our interview, you know, she talks about an exhibit that they did and there that really sort of, I think from David Grann's own recollections, really sort of launched him on this mission to write this book. And that was an exhibit of of photos from tribal members from the early 1900s, many of whom would have been caught up in this in the reign of terror when they first put this exhibit together. I think Grann came in later and he saw it and was moved by it. But the reason I mean, we want to talk to Katherine about that, because that was pivotal. But she has a family story that I think illustrates what a what a lot of a large number of families have been left to live with as far as questions about a relative's demise and not being able to know for sure whether it was connected. She she told us about, you know, her grandfather, a man named Raymond Red Corn, who died. And this is important. He died in 1931 of suspicious circumstances. And the reason that's important is that if he died in 1931 and his his death is connected to the reign of terror, well, that's you know, the official span was 1921 to 1926 that these killings took place. So if if his death was connected, it shows that they spanned not only farther than that, but end of the next decade. And, you know, we want to be careful with this because, as she said, you know, we really don't know anything for sure. But there there there's always been suspicions surrounding her grandfather's death and that he apparently, based on what things that he said at the time that were that have been passed on, he believed that his his wife at the time, in 1931, I believe, would have been his second wife was actually poisoning him. And he from what Catherine and others told us, you know, if you went over to his house during that time period, he would advise you, don't eat anything while you're here. Don't drink anything. You know, he clearly believes something was going on. And then and then what do you know? One day he dies and now he had had a protracted illness. He had been growing weaker. Well, the only thing we can say, you know, and it really is circumstantial, you know, case. But, you know, the the evidence does seem to fit the patterns of of other what we might call other poisonings. And one thing that makes this so difficult is, is some of these killings were were it was very obvious that they were homicides that you because they were violent. I mean, like with Henry who was shot in the head, I mean, there was no denying it. But with many, many others that that people in retrospect now, we believe, were suspicious. I mean, the cause was just not so obvious. And this was an era when when poisonings were very common, a lot of murders by poison. And depending on, you know, what the substance was and how it was administered, it could be very hard to detect. Now, they could, you know, if they did an autopsy and they did a what we now call a toxic toxicological do talks on it, they could determine that poison was present. They did have that. They did have that capacity. Then, however, you know, if if there was no obvious reason to do it and and you also were dealing with potentially corrupt authorities who were not inclined to look too closely, a lot of these a lot of these deaths were never investigated. We have to take a quick break. So don't go too far. The reign of terror did just that, created an atmosphere of fear in the Osage community. Fear of violence and fear that authorities weren't going to help, even if someone were to speak up. Randy explained how this fear impacted the investigations. The earliest? Well, it was called the Reign of Terror because people just lived in terror. They were afraid to to talk. And when the FBI came in there in 1923 to try and sort things out in their in their letters and reports and so forth, from that time, you know, they talk about how people are just terrified to talk and and they would not talk to outsiders at all. And in fact, is as is been talked about a lot with with this book and movie. They wound up putting some some men undercover to try and insinuate themselves into the community so they could get information. And because people were afraid if they if they told what they knew or what they thought and they were honest about it, they they'd be killed. And and this and this was true of a lot of other people in And, you know, I think Molly Burkhart, at one time, she told her priest that she was afraid. People just, you know, people, people who were not part of the and even some of them who were part of the these these organizations that were that were doing these things were afraid to talk about it. And sometimes they were afraid to talk about it because they were involved, too. You know, but but they often they were afraid to talk about it because of repercussions against themselves. And, you know, so again, you'd have people just go missing their bodies, you know, that that would turn out you know, they'd find them out in the in the oil field or or in a ravine or or you'd have one thing that happened a lot was was unexplained deaths. People would, you know, quote, get sick and die. And that happened with Molly Burkhart mother. And and at least and in one of her, at least one of her sisters, where they, uh, they called it like mysterious wasting disease and things like they didn't really have a name for it. And the FBI suspected the local doctor was in on it, that he that he knew what was going on. And he was, you know, making it worse or at least reporting it. Maybe taking kickbacks from the perpetrators. Well, yes, exactly. Some people some of these folks suffered from diabetes and they weren't being. Now, treating diabetes, I think in those days was probably a lot more difficult anyway. But they were not like, we're not helping it anyway. Mm hmm. And it you know, it was just. It... Was it was a time when you just had to, you know, be careful about every little thing you did and said. And this is where we wrap things up today. Thanks for listening to Late Edition, Crime Beat Chronicles. Hit that subscribe button so you don't miss. Our next episode will pick up with the investigation and who was held responsible- or not- for the murders during the Osage reign of terror.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Is a long-standing feud between two key figures in Osage County putting justice at risk? An episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" brings to light an escalating dispute between Sheriff Eddie Virden and District Attorney Mike Fisher over an investigation into a potential murder linked to the notorious BTK killer in the 1970s.    According to the transcript, the contention between the two officials has reached its boiling point with a lawsuit filed by Virden against Fisher. The root cause? Comments made by Fisher that the sheriff's investigation is more about gaining publicity and furthering political ambitions than serving justice. As quoted in the podcast, Osage County Sheriff Eddie Virden alleges that Mike Fisher had even gone as far as contacting elderly families of the murder victims and discouraging them from cooperating.    The podcast hosts, Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke, provide an insightful discussion into this dispute. Brueski describes it as a "bizarre small town fight" while Dreeke sees it as a clash of two self-serving biases. Dreeke poses an essential question: "Who's his [Virden's] loving critic?" emphasizing the need for a voice of reason in such intense situations. The focus should be on the interests of the case and the families, rather than personal gains.    Another twist in the tale is the upcoming political election, where Fisher is backing Virden's opponent. This adds another layer to the already complex narrative, as some suggest that the entire investigation could be a publicity stunt.    Brueski and Dreeke also delve into the nationwide task force Virden has formed to investigate the potential BTK link. The group includes prominent names, some of which, like Nancy Grace, raise eyebrows and further fuel the publicity versus justice debate. Dreeke aptly remarks that while the intent behind creating the task force might be noble, its execution is questionable.    Throughout their conversation, both hosts gravitate back to the true victims of this political and ego-driven saga: the families. As the dispute gets messier and more public, these families face further heartache, uncertain about the possibility of justice for their loved ones.    Dreeke touches on a poignant point, emphasizing that while numerous investigators work diligently behind the scenes, delivering justice quietly, this public feud has overshadowed their tireless efforts. The potential secondary motives, perhaps even unbeknownst to the parties involved, raise serious concerns about the true intentions behind the investigation.    In concluding the podcast episode, Dreeke laments, "There's a lot of phenomenal investigators out there doing the hard work every day... And the fact that we're hearing so much about this, it makes you question another motive that they might not even be aware of."    The intriguing revelations from the "Hidden Killers" episode paint a vivid picture of the complexities and personal dynamics that can cloud criminal investigations. As egos battle and political ambitions intertwine with justice, one can't help but wonder: In the end, who really benefits? And, perhaps more importantly, who truly suffers? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Is a long-standing feud between two key figures in Osage County putting justice at risk? An episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" brings to light an escalating dispute between Sheriff Eddie Virden and District Attorney Mike Fisher over an investigation into a potential murder linked to the notorious BTK killer in the 1970s.    According to the transcript, the contention between the two officials has reached its boiling point with a lawsuit filed by Virden against Fisher. The root cause? Comments made by Fisher that the sheriff's investigation is more about gaining publicity and furthering political ambitions than serving justice. As quoted in the podcast, Osage County Sheriff Eddie Virden alleges that Mike Fisher had even gone as far as contacting elderly families of the murder victims and discouraging them from cooperating.    The podcast hosts, Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke, provide an insightful discussion into this dispute. Brueski describes it as a "bizarre small town fight" while Dreeke sees it as a clash of two self-serving biases. Dreeke poses an essential question: "Who's his [Virden's] loving critic?" emphasizing the need for a voice of reason in such intense situations. The focus should be on the interests of the case and the families, rather than personal gains.    Another twist in the tale is the upcoming political election, where Fisher is backing Virden's opponent. This adds another layer to the already complex narrative, as some suggest that the entire investigation could be a publicity stunt.    Brueski and Dreeke also delve into the nationwide task force Virden has formed to investigate the potential BTK link. The group includes prominent names, some of which, like Nancy Grace, raise eyebrows and further fuel the publicity versus justice debate. Dreeke aptly remarks that while the intent behind creating the task force might be noble, its execution is questionable.    Throughout their conversation, both hosts gravitate back to the true victims of this political and ego-driven saga: the families. As the dispute gets messier and more public, these families face further heartache, uncertain about the possibility of justice for their loved ones.    Dreeke touches on a poignant point, emphasizing that while numerous investigators work diligently behind the scenes, delivering justice quietly, this public feud has overshadowed their tireless efforts. The potential secondary motives, perhaps even unbeknownst to the parties involved, raise serious concerns about the true intentions behind the investigation.    In concluding the podcast episode, Dreeke laments, "There's a lot of phenomenal investigators out there doing the hard work every day... And the fact that we're hearing so much about this, it makes you question another motive that they might not even be aware of."    The intriguing revelations from the "Hidden Killers" episode paint a vivid picture of the complexities and personal dynamics that can cloud criminal investigations. As egos battle and political ambitions intertwine with justice, one can't help but wonder: In the end, who really benefits? And, perhaps more importantly, who truly suffers? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

The latest episode of Late Edition: Crime Beat Chronicles is in partnership with the Tulsa World to introduce the story of the Osage Reign of Terror and the upcoming film Killers of the Flower Moon. In this episode, show producer Ambre Moton is joined by two writers from the Tulsa World, Randy Krehbiel and Jimmie Tramel, to explore the history of the Osages and what led to the crimes committed against them. Read all of the coverage of the film Killers of the Flower Moon and related stories here. Episode transcript Note: The following transcript was created by Slack and may contain misspellings and other inaccuracies as it was generated automatically: Welcome to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles, a Lee Enterprises podcast. I'm Ambre Moton, the producer and editor of the show, filling in for Nat Cardona, who is taking some well-deserved time off.  Our next few episodes are going to take us back to the late 1800s through the 1920s to Osage County in Oklahoma. With the help of and in partnership with reporters from the Tulsa World, the daily newspaper for the City of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and primary paper for the northeastern and eastern parts of the state. Before we dive into those conversations, a tiny bit of background over the next set of episodes we're going to cover the Osage reign of terror, a series of murders of members of the Osage tribe and those who supported them that took place in the 1920s. By all accounts, these crimes are committed by people attempting to gain control of the Osage as oil rights and the profits from it. We'll cover some of the history of the tribe, the crimes themselves, the investigation by the be a lie, which later became the FBI, and later a look at the crimes place and pop culture captured in books, newspapers and the soon to be released Martin Scorsese film Killers of the Flower Moon, which was filmed in the same area that the events took place. But back to the beginning, I spoke with Randy Krehbiel of the Tulsa World, someone we'll hear from several times as we tell this story about how the Osage tribe ended up in what is now Oklahoma. My name is Randy Krehbiel. I've been at the Tulsa World since 1979. I came here as a sportswriter, did that for about 13 years, switched over to news. And over the years, I've written a lot of things. I've written about a lot of different subjects, but I've written a lot about history and the history of this area era. I actually published the book several years ago on the 1921 race massacre, and I've written a book on the history of the Tulsa World and the city of Tulsa. And so all of these things are really interesting to me. And and some things, you know, you kind of know about for a while and some things you don't. My main job actually is covering state and federal government. What kind of led you to writing about the Osage tribe, the the reign of terror and everything that goes into the story of killing of the flower moon? You know, I had actually written a little bit about it probably 15 years ago or something like that. And there's nothing in-depth like, you know, the book or the David Green book or some of the other books that have been written about it. And I got into it and, it's just like a lot of other things. It's, you know, part of our our story. It's part of how we we got here and, you know, I think I was probably somewhat fascinated, if that's the right word, by just just how terrible some of these people were. And also, you know, the people who were victimized by them, too, you know. So it's you know, it's part of who we are. And not only, you know, in Oklahoma, but really across the country. And it's it's part of it's part of the history that, you know, we probably don't like to think about as much It does it doesn't make us feel as good as 4th of July. Kind of, I guess, on that topic. I think people obviously in Oklahoma, but people of a certain age, I guess I should say, because I'm not sure that it's necessarily being taught as widely as it used to be, are aware of, you know, like the Trail of Tears and the establishment of, you know, Indian territory. But like people may not be familiar with the existence of the Osage people and everything they went through. So can you just kind of talk a little bit about how they ended up in what is now Tulsa and kind of what what went into that? Yes, ages originally were a very large tribe and they they're they're sort of their home grounds, at least at the time of, you know, European encounter was most of the state of Missouri and and some of Arkansas and then out onto the plains in Kansas and Oklahoma and then in the 1800s and they were kind of pushed by treaty into an area in Missouri and then that and then into Kansas and in 1872, they sold their reservation in Kansas and bought 1.7 million acres from the Cherokee Nation. And for their what became their final reservation. And because they bought their reservation, they they owned it. They they had a title to it. It gave them a little different status going forward and and it allowed them to get some concessions. Then when the state of Oklahoma was created really in 1960 to accommodate and become a state until 1907, but by that time, they had been reduced to, you know, just a few thousand people. They all all of that moving around and man squished together. And they'd undergone a lot of illness and so forth. So they they were down by statehood. They were down to fewer than 2500 people living on the reservation. It's my understanding that the Osage land that they had, it wasn't, I guess, the most hospitable, especially when it comes to like agriculture. So how did they initially I'm assuming they didn't buy it and then strike oil immediately? No, actually, yeah. So the story is, is that they actually chose that land because they thought it was the least attractive to white people and they would be left alone. And the story the chief Standing bear tells and there's a tell the story, too, is that they sent out these scouting parties and they told them to throw their spear into the ground. And if the spear stuck, they were supposed to move on because it meant the soil was too thick and too rich and there'd be white people coming for it. But if they threw their spear into the ground and it fell over because it had hit rock, that's where they wanted wanted to be. And so the story is, again, that they actually chose pretty poor agricultural land. Now, it almost immediately didn't work out that way because it wasn't very good for farming, but it was very good for for grazing. And they had, you know, the cattlemen from Texas driving cattle up into Kansas. So they wound up, you know, making a fairly good living off leasing their their land to the cattlemen for grazing. That's a great visual, though. The story that you said that it was cheap standing there. Right, that he said that the steers. That's a great visual. We have to take a quick break, so don't go too far. An important thing to note is that in 1887, the Dawes Act divided up communally owned reservations into privately owned allotments as a way to force Native Americans to assimilate, to make each member of the tribe an owner of 160 acres and selling the quote unquote, surplus land to non-natives. This made tribal members, private property owners and effectively ended their communal way of living since the Osage bought their land outright. They were exempt from the allotments under the Dawes Act. Instead, Chief James Big Heart insisted on what is known as the Osage Allotment Act in 1906, where the Osage allotted all of their land to their people, giving 657 acres each to the over 2200 registered Osage. I also spoke with Jimmie Tramel, pop culture writer at the Tulsa World. Hey, I'm Jimmie Tramel. I'm a pop culture writer at the Tulsa World, a newspaper in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and TulsaWorld.Com. I was a sportswriter for 25 years, but for the last ten years, I've been our pop culture person. You know, I think everybody or most people of a certain age anyway, should be familiar with the Trail of Tears, everything with how Oklahoma was formed. But they may not have, you know, all of the insight into what happened with the Osage people. What you just said is fascinating and said you should know. I think maybe the words you use, we should have known about this. But like the Tulsa race massacre of the 1920s, the Osage reign of terror occurred in the same era. And until recently, I think many people not I mean, Oklahomans and around the world, we're not familiar with these things. Sometimes it takes pop culture to bring awareness to these things that the history books haven't told us. Like the movie HBO's Watchmen brought the Tulsa Race massacre into the consciousness. And I think this movie, Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon, is Bring is doing the same thing to bring the awareness to the Osage reign of terror. Yes. And thank you for mentioning the film is called Killers of the Flower Moon. Yes. Filmed in Oklahoma, we're on the same turf where the actual Osage reign of terror happened. At one point in history, the the Osage nation of It's a Tribe, one of many tribes in Oklahoma was prior to statehood. Oklahoma was known as Indian Territory because all the tribes had land here that were there. People could live, and maybe this would never be a state, but actually it became a state in 1907. But the Osage land, I think a lot of people would say was not the best land in Oklahoma. But guess what? Oil was found under that land and the Osage people became like the wealthiest people on Earth overnight almost. And then what happens when moneys are involved is greed, betrayal, and in this case, even murder, where there were several murders of the Osage, because people wanted their oil money. It's funny how money can motivate people to do such heinous things, right? Yeah. I mean, brings out the worst in people and in many occasions. And and eventually you hope someone will step up and do right. But if you when you read the book Killers of the Flower Moon, you'll see that many people who should have known better were conspirators in this. What kind of wealth? Do you know how that translates into terms to current day? Well, this kind of wealth, when they would run out of gas in an automobile they had purchased rather than just fill up with a new tank of gas. They would be so like, here's a new car. So that kind of money. That does incite less scrupulous people to do bad things, definitely. And that's where we're going to leave the story for today. Thanks for listening to Late Edition Crime Beat Chronicles. Hit that subscribe button so you don't miss our next episode where we discuss the crimes that became known as the Osage Reign of Terror.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"Can the resurgence in a cold murder case be overshadowed by the allure of reality TV fame?" This is the question on the lips of many after a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" hosted by Tony Brueski.    Brueski spoke to psychotherapist and author, Shavaun Scott, discussing the renewed vigor in investigating a possible link between the infamous BTK killer and the unsolved disappearance of Cynthia Dawn Kinney in 1976. As the narrative goes, BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) had penned a piece titled "Bad Wash Day" during his stint as an ADT installer across from the bank where Kinney was last seen. The seeming connection has ignited a spark in Osage County under-sheriff, Eddie Vierten, who has expressed enthusiasm in procuring evidence from Wichita to explore the potential link.    “I applaud them for having this energy,” Brueski stated, referring to the efforts of the national task force, which includes BTK's own daughter. The aim is clear: to find answers and possible closure for a case that has long remained cold.    However, the commendable zeal is slightly tainted by rumors of a reality show in the works. Sheriff Gary Upton is reportedly working on a reality TV project with the CW network, scheduled to tape later this year with a prospective air date in January. Brueski voiced his reservations, remarking, “I've never heard of television working quite the way that Gary is talking about.” The implications are slightly unnerving, especially when you consider the seriousness of the crime and the pain it has inflicted on many.    Scott echoed Brueski's concerns, pointing out the potential ethical misstep of blending true crime with reality TV sensationalism. "It's not about somebody becoming famous," she emphasized, "It's really about wanting to solve this crime." A professional in her field, Scott acknowledged the ethical boundaries that all professionals should adhere to. The quest for fame, as it seems, could muddy the clear waters of justice and leave the real objectives in the backdrop.    This isn't to dismiss the efforts of investigators who step into the limelight for the sake of justice. “I do admire people who are going to step out of their own comfort zone,” Brueski noted. But there's an unsettling theatricality in the way the case has been portrayed, which Brueski likened to a Netflix miniseries with creative liberties.    Of course, there's always the human element. Cynthia Dawn Kinney's parents are still alive and yearning for answers. This reinvigorated investigation offers a glimmer of hope to them. Yet, if the allure of fame and attention overtakes the noble pursuit of justice, the consequences could be tragic.    Brueski's advice to those involved, especially those on the task force: “Be careful on the optics on this and who's driving the ship.” Shavaun Scott concurred, stressing the importance of adhering to ethical guidelines and maintaining clarity on the main goal - solving the crime.    The case's revival raises pertinent questions about the ethical implications of mixing crime-solving with entertainment. Are the boundaries between seeking justice and gaining fame becoming too blurred?    So, as listeners grapple with the new information and opinions, we are left pondering: "Where should the line be drawn between crime-solving as a public duty and as a form of entertainment?" Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Reality TV has penetrated almost every aspect of our daily lives – from culinary competitions to home renovations. But when it dovetails with the gritty world of law enforcement, especially in controversial investigations, how do we separate the genuine from the sensationalist? A recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast hosted by Tony Brueski, featuring insights from retired FBI Special Agent, Robin Dreeke, delved into this controversial territory.    The Osage County sheriff's office has recently proposed a contract with a television production company to document the everyday workings of Sheriff Eddie Virden and undersheriff Gary Upton. What's especially piquant about this proposal is the potential dive into connections with the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) serial killer, a case from the late 20th century that still sends shivers down the spine of many.    Brueski initiates the debate questioning the optics of this venture. As he puts it, "The optics... I'm cringing." This sentiment emerges from the potential confluence of real-time investigations and reality TV's penchant for dramatization. Is there a genuine pursuit of justice, or is there a lurking specter of leveraging morbid curiosity for viewership? The waters are further muddied by the fact that the CW network is ready to premiere this series in January.    Robin Dreeke, with his substantial background in the FBI and the behavioral team, offers a balanced perspective. On his notes, he scribbled three words that encapsulate the discussion: "ego seeps in." However, he recognizes that such a series can act as a significant recruitment tool for law enforcement agencies. The allure of 'sexy' high-profile investigations can be enticing for potential recruits. Still, Dreeke highlights the paramount importance of balancing ego with serving the community. He posits, "Everything's a dichotomy and a balance." For him, if the intent remains pure and there's robust oversight with checks and balances, the series can potentially benefit everyone involved.    The BTK case, even though decades old, resonates profoundly within the community and beyond. Its reexamination can be seen as reopening old wounds, especially for the families directly affected by the killer's crimes. As Brueski mentions, "We're dealing with people's lives here... BTK's crimes took place 20, 30, 40 years ago." While the case intrigues many, the emotional cost to the affected families is immeasurable.    However, beyond the case's gravity, there's another angle to this proposed reality series that cannot be ignored. Sheriff Eddie Virden is up for re-election, and the District Attorney, who has been explicitly skeptical of the BTK connections, is supporting Virden's opponent. The reality series, if portrayed in a favorable light, could potentially tilt the scales in the upcoming elections.    The conversation loops back to the ethos of law enforcement. As Dreeke sums it up, "The behaviors of trust that people need to display in order to inspire trust are pretty simple... open, honest communication, transparency, and vulnerability." If law enforcement can suspend ego, uphold public trust, and communicate effectively, such a venture might actually strengthen their bond with the community.    The episode leaves readers with much to ponder. As Brueski notes, "It would be good to see law enforcement in a good light." Indeed, positive portrayals of diligent officers are needed, especially in today's climate of skepticism. However, the stakes are incredibly high, and the balance between showcasing reality and slipping into sensationalism is precariously thin.    So, can reality TV truly serve the cause of justice, or does it threaten to tarnish the sanctity of investigation? As cameras roll and investigations deepen, only time will tell. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Is notorious serial killer Dennis Rader, better known as BTK, responsible for even more unsolved disappearances? A deep dive into the concerns over evidence collection and the heart-wrenching quest for answers unveils the true complexity of such high-profile cases. The "Hidden Killers" podcast, featuring retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke, provides a rare window into the professional and emotional challenges investigators face.    In a recent episode of "Hidden Killers," a significant point of contention arose surrounding BTK's potential link to the 1976 disappearance of Cynthia Kinney. The District Attorney for Osage and Pawnee counties, Mike Fisher, voiced his reservations about implicating Dennis Rader in the case, due to the lack of substantial evidence to press charges. Meanwhile, Sheriff Eddie Virden of Osage County, having spearheaded a nationwide task force, seems convinced of Rader's involvement in not just Kinney's disappearance, but potentially other cold cases.    The heart of the matter, as presented by hosts Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke, revolves around two central issues. Firstly, there's the concern of procedural integrity. The manner in which evidence has been collected, especially as the Osage County Sheriff's Office apparently stepped outside their jurisdiction, raises serious questions. Are the obtained search warrants valid? Would the evidence be admissible in court, given the concerns about how it was collected?    Robin Dreeke touched upon the nuances, emphasizing, "If it's been done that way, yeah, that's a concern." He further elaborated on the danger of investigators becoming overly emotionally invested in cases, potentially leading to oversights or missteps in the process. In a particularly poignant moment, Dreeke noted, "Emotionally being invested in this versus being professionally invested in this and doing things the right way... there's much bigger things that could go wrong here."    In light of such concerns, the episode delved into the quintessential challenge of balancing the pursuit of justice with procedural propriety. While the pressing urgency to "right wrongs in society" is paramount, there are processes and rules designed to ensure that justice isn't just served, but served right.    Further adding to the conundrum is the revelation that some leads, directly linked to BTK, have been gathering dust for years. The existence of "trophies" — a chilling term used by killers to refer to mementos from their victims — buried in Rader's backyard shed was noted in a 2008 letter. Yet, it took until 2023 for any action to be taken on this information.    One could argue, why the delay? Dreeke offers a simple, albeit troubling, answer: resources. "There are not nearly enough people working these things to do it all," he states. The demands of prioritizing, often driven by public and media outcry, means some cases, or leads, are left by the wayside.    Reflecting on his time with the FBI, Dreeke offers insight into the agonizing choices that law enforcement personnel must make daily, juggling a multitude of "urgent" tasks. They're in a perpetual race against time, forced to make heart-wrenching decisions about where to allocate their attention. While the public's cries for justice echo loudly, law enforcement is constrained by the practicalities of resource allocation and the ever-present, towering backlog of cases.    It's a haunting reminder that behind every unresolved case, there's a team of individuals grappling with the knowledge that they couldn't do it all. As Dreeke poignantly remarked, referencing the film "The Guardian": "Sometimes you just can't do it all." The pursuit of justice is never black and white, and as the podcast episode reveals, even the most notorious cases aren't exempt from the shadows of uncertainty. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

It's a chilling question that hangs in the cold air of unresolved cases: could Dennis Rader, infamously known as the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) Killer, be responsible for more unsolved murders than previously known? This was the central topic of discussion on a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers," hosted by Tony Brueski. The conversation included insightful input from former Felony Prosecutor and attorney, Eric Faddis, who shed light on the ongoing debate surrounding a cold case from 1976 – the tragic death of Cynthia Dawn Kinney.    The family of Cynthia Dawn Kinney has been seeking closure for nearly half a century. Their beloved daughter's demise in 1976 has remained an unresolved mystery. However, recent interests have shifted towards Dennis Rader, the notorious BTK Killer, as the possible perpetrator. Brueski probes, “Nobody has ever been found though. But there is a lot of evidence from BTK's writings that he was in the area at the time.” He added that the writings of Rader align disturbingly well with the speculated events leading to Kinney's death.    Yet, as Faddis was quick to point out, navigating through the intricacies of cold cases presents unique challenges. “Evidence erodes, witnesses are lost or die… and it becomes a lot harder to prove the case,” Faddis noted. Adding layers to this complex narrative is the apparent discord between the Sheriff's office of Osage County and the District Attorney. The sheriff's office staunchly believes that BTK is the prime suspect in this case. In stark contrast, the DA's office cautions restraint, asserting that there isn't sufficient evidence to substantiate such claims.    Such a divisive stance, Faddis argues, is detrimental, especially when pursuing a serial killer in the context of a cold case murder. “We need a unified front in law enforcement… and we don't have that right now,” he stated.    Addressing concerns surrounding Sheriff Eddie Virden's approach to the investigation, Faddis emphasized the need for a delicate balance between passion and professionalism. He hinted at concerns within the legal community about how evidence was gathered by the Osage County Sheriff, especially when operating beyond their jurisdiction. The validity of the search warrants obtained, and the authority of the Osage County Sheriff's office in collecting evidence from outside their domain, have also come under scrutiny.    Faddis went on to describe the potential pitfalls of overzealous law enforcement: “Oftentimes, these small mistakes can be a linchpin for these cases to be dismissed once they get into the court system.” Such oversight, he suggests, could be at the heart of the DA's reluctance to name BTK as the prime suspect in the Kinney case. The necessity of a meticulous review of the evidence collection process, ensuring its adherence to constitutional norms, becomes paramount.    This sentiment resonated with Brueski's take on the situation, emphasizing the need for both departments to remain on the same page. “Both can have the same goal, but... both can destroy each other as well if they don't play by the rules,” Brueski warned.    While the possibility of Dennis Rader being connected to another tragic death sends shivers down the spine, the pursuit of justice, it seems, is fraught with challenges. The debate shines a light on the often-conflicting motivations of different branches of law enforcement, and the intricate dance of passion, protocol, and the pursuit of justice.    It remains to be seen if the BTK Killer will be definitively linked to Cynthia Dawn Kinney's murder. However, the call for a united front in law enforcement, underpinned by meticulous evidence gathering and careful deliberation, is louder than ever. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Could Dennis Rader, infamously known as the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer, be employing a new psychological tactic, or are we looking at deeper issues within the investigative chain? In the most recent episode of "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski revealed a rather audacious exchange that took place between Rader and Eddie Virden, the sheriff of Osage County. "First thing that Dennis Rader said to Eddie Virden… was, 'So, looks like you don't have enough evidence to convict,'" recounts Brueski, emphasizing that this comment was made moments after a press conference where the D.A. announced a current lack of evidence to prosecute Rader further. Jennifer Coffindaffer, former FBI Special Agent and daily contributor to "Hidden Killers," immediately voiced her perception of this exchange. "It sounds like a game," she stated candidly. The immediate connection between the D.A.'s announcement and Rader's audacious comment isn't lost on her.  However, the conversation soon took an unexpected turn. Coffindaffer delved deep into the most recent interviews of the D.A., explaining that the underlying tone and comments were striking. "I mean, one, he essentially accused Osage County of... inappropriate search methods… It was stark and strong."    There seems to be an apparent chasm between the Osage County sheriff's department and the D.A.'s office. Coffindaffer suggested, "There's an issue between this DA and this sheriff, you know, like either personal, maybe from other cases, but they don't have a relationship." This rift could prove problematic for the progress of any related cases.    The D.A.'s expressed desire for the Oklahoma Bureau (OSBI) to handle the investigation isn't unfounded. As Coffindaffer highlighted, the OSBI possesses more tools and authority beyond Osage County, whereas the Sheriff's jurisdiction is limited to that county alone. This discrepancy could be a significant reason for any misalignment or miscommunication.    Brueski, intrigued, brought the conversation back to its origin: BTK's response. Rader, having witnessed the D.A.'s comments before his interview, was, in Coffindaffer's words, "a savvy serial killer" who had "an ace in the pocket." His initial response, though defiant, was possibly influenced by the preceding events, placing him in a position of apparent superiority.    But the question remains, as Coffindaffer ponders, "Is there nothing there?" Are Rader's comments merely a diversion, a reflection of his psyche, or is there a more profound truth hidden in the dynamics between the investigative entities?    The BTK killer's past is replete with psychological manipulations, crimes that horrified the nation, and a cat-and-mouse game with law enforcement. With the recent revelations, it seems the game, if it can be called that, is far from over. Not only are authorities dealing with the enigmatic mind of a serial killer, but potential internal dynamics could be hindering the investigative process.    As authorities strive to make headway in the renewed focus on BTK, one can't help but wonder: Are we witnessing the continuation of Rader's twisted psychological games, or are we glimpsing deeper issues within our investigative frameworks? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

Is Dennis Rader, infamously known as the BTK Killer, responsible for more murders than we initially thought? This is the chilling question that lingers as new evidence comes to light, potentially linking him to several unsolved cases.    On a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers", Osage County, Oklahoma undersheriff Gary Upton delved deep into the newly reinvigorated investigation of Dennis Rader. As Tony Brueski, the podcast host, noted, this is a topic that many may have seen on television or read brief excerpts about. But in this podcast episode, Upton offered comprehensive insights, painting a picture much grimmer than the condensed news bites have so far revealed.    Dennis Rader, who termed himself the BTK Killer (Bind, Torture, Kill), is already incarcerated for the heinous murders of ten individuals. However, the Osage County Sheriff's Office believes there might be more. Upton discussed the case of Cynthia Dawn Kinney, a 16-year-old cheerleader abducted in broad daylight in 1976, suggesting that clues point towards Rader.    Brueski asked, “Why now?”. Upton explained that in December 2022, their sheriff stumbled upon a Netflix documentary titled Catching Killers, specifically an episode about the BTK Killer. A series of connections were made – the proximity of Wichita and Park City to Pahuska, Rader's employment with ADT (a major alarm installation company at the time), and a journal entry by Rader from 1976 that ominously hints at a “bad wash day”.    Upton unveiled a series of connections, from his journal entries hinting at the unsolved crimes to physical evidence. They discovered Polaroid pictures of Rader in women's clothing, potentially the clothing of his victims. The red blanket from a case near Muskogee, which matches a blanket Rader was photographed with, is of particular interest.    Another alarming connection was with Shauna Beth Garber from Anderson, Missouri. Upton expressed strong suspicion about four cases, but suggested that other agencies believe there could be up to ten additional victims.    Kerry Rawson, the daughter of the BTK Killer, also weighed in with valuable insights that aid the ongoing investigation. With agencies across various jurisdictions coming forward, the scope of this investigation is expansive.    Upton discussed a significant breakthrough at the former property of Rader in Park City, Kansas. Acting on a lead from Rader's correspondence with a fan, investigators dug up a mason jar buried beneath a shed, containing damning evidence.    As Upton said, "Everyone that I've talked to believes definitely 100%. He killed more than 10 people." This statement, in its haunting certainty, casts a dark shadow over the already grim legacy of the BTK Killer.    The podcast also touched upon challenges the team faces – from decades-old evidence to the complexities of linking seemingly unrelated pieces together. However, the dedication of the Osage County Sheriff's Office, combined with the gravity of the crimes, ensures that every lead will be meticulously explored.    The conversation with Undersheriff Gary Upton serves as a testament to the dedication of law enforcement officers who tirelessly work on cold cases, bringing justice to victims and their families, no matter how much time has passed.    To close, we're left with an unsettling question: If the evidence has been sitting there for decades, what other dark secrets might the BTK Killer hold? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

In recent developments, the alleged connection between the notorious BTK serial killer, Dennis Rader, and an Oklahoma cold case has been put under scrutiny. District Attorney Mike Fisher stated on Monday that there is insufficient information to press charges against Rader in connection with the disappearance of Cynthia Dawn Kinney from Pawhuska, Oklahoma.    A month ago, it was disclosed by Osage County authorities that Dennis Rader, the man behind the horrifying BTK killings in Wichita, Kansas, was a prime suspect in some unsolved disappearances, including Kinney's case. The Undersheriff of Osage County, Oklahoma, recently revealed that they have at least four "pretty strong connections" to cold case investigations potentially linked to Rader, implying they might be strong enough to lead to trials. However, Fisher's recent statement contradicts this position.    In a press conference, Fisher explained, “As of this date, the information that has been shared is insufficient to file criminal charges against Dennis Rader.” Notably, the continuous updates and speculations about the case have warranted an elevated interest, prompting Fisher to request the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation to commence a formal probe into Kinney's mysterious disappearance.    Fisher further elucidated that he would proceed with charges if any substantial evidence emerged. Shedding light on his involvement, he added that he was present during a law enforcement interview concerning Rader approximately three months ago. The interview saw participation from investigators spanning Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma, with Fisher and his investigator in attendance.    The crux of the matter, however, is the Osage County Sheriff's failure to share any tangible evidence with the District Attorney's office. Addressing this, Fisher stated, “The information that we have received to this point, there are – I'll call them rumors because they've not been substantiated yet – rumors as to potential other evidence that I have been made aware of. None of that at this point arises to the level of even reasonable suspicion.”    Highlighting the necessity for a methodical and appropriate investigation, Fisher expressed concerns about how the inquiry was being managed, citing instances like the Osage County Sheriff's visit to Rader's residence with a search warrant and the subsequent dig that took place. Fisher's reservation stemmed from his belief that such crucial tasks "would probably be better left to investigators."    While the legalities and intricacies of the case continue to unfold, Fisher emphasized his growing concern for the parents of Cynthia Dawn Kinney. The elderly couple, both in their 80s, have borne the heavy weight of their daughter's mysterious disappearance for 47 long years. Fisher remarked, “Cynthia went missing 47 years ago. They've got no answers.” He further noted that while there's a possibility that Kinney's disappearance was a result of a homicide, nothing can be stated with absolute certainty. The continuous media speculation and coverage have taken a toll on Kinney's parents, who have been grappling with scenarios of what could have befallen their daughter. Such stress has had noticeable physical repercussions on them, leading Fisher to urge the public to respect their privacy.    Dennis Rader, now 78, infamously known as the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer, has been serving his sentence at the El Dorado Correctional Facility since 2005.   With this case's developments reigniting public and media interest, it remains to be seen how the investigation will progress and whether the family of Cynthia Dawn Kinney will finally get the answers they have been seeking for nearly half a century. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

An Oklahoma prosecutor, District Attorney Mike Fisher, stated yesterday that there isn't sufficient evidence to charge notorious serial killer Dennis Rader, also known as BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill), in connection with the 1976 disappearance of 16-year-old Cynthia Dawn Kinney. This decision comes despite law enforcement officials labeling Rader as a prime suspect. Fisher emphasized during a news conference that he has not reached a point where he can file charges against Rader in Kinney's disappearance. However, he has requested the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation to formally look into the case due to the revived public interest in this cold case. If substantial evidence emerges, Fisher is prepared to file charges. Osage County sheriff's officials, including Undersheriff Gary Upton, have recently described Rader as a "prime suspect" not only in Kinney's disappearance but also in the death of 22-year-old Shawna Beth Garber, whose body was found in December 1990 in McDonald County, Missouri. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski and former FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer discussed potential new connections between the infamous BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) Killer, Dennis Rader, and unsolved murders. According to Rader's daughter, Kerry, there are up to five potential connections currently under investigation.    Coffindaffer shared details of a conversation she had with Kerry, during which they discussed "bad laundry day," a term referenced in Rader's writings. This phrase is linked to a fantasy Rader had about abducting a woman from a laundromat. Sheriff Eddie Virden of Osage County, Oklahoma, had a similar experience when he visited Rader in prison. Before Virden could explain the purpose of his visit, Rader described a fantasy that closely matched the unsolved murder Virden was investigating. This led authorities to believe that Rader might have had prior knowledge of the crime.    Coffindaffer expressed concern about the growing number of connections between Rader and unsolved cases. She noted that while some authorities have ruled out Rader as a suspect in certain cases, others believe there is a strong possibility that he may be connected to more murders than previously thought. Coffindaffer praised law enforcement for taking a closer look at Rader's writings, which include references to over 200 "projects" – potential victims or crimes he considered committing. She also raised questions about whether some of the unsolved cases fit Rader's modus operandi, which involved sexually gratifying himself after his victims were dead, rather than during the act of killing.    Recent efforts to connect Rader to unsolved cases include the excavation of his former property in Park City, Kansas. While items have been recovered from the site, it is unclear whether they are linked to any specific cases. Coffindaffer expressed concern about the proper management of evidence and questioned whether some items had been adequately examined by forensic experts.    The discussion also touched on the issue of access to Rader's writings. While they are currently held as evidence, Coffindaffer noted that law enforcement in the tri-state area and Rader's daughter, Kerry, have been granted access. She expressed frustration that the writings were not examined more closely when they were first obtained in 2004 but expressed hope that the renewed investigation might bring closure to some families.    The offer of immunity from federal and state prosecution was also discussed as a potential incentive for Rader to provide more information about unsolved cases. Coffindaffer noted that while Rader might fear being moved from his current comfortable prison accommodation, he has always sought fame and might be tempted to disclose more information if he believes it will bring him greater notoriety.    Coffindaffer concluded by questioning whether Rader is still playing a game with law enforcement and enjoying the attention he receives. She wondered whether he might admit to additional crimes if charged but also noted that his physical frailty could be a deterrent to confessing if it meant being moved to a less comfortable facility.    Overall, the podcast episode shed light on the ongoing efforts to connect Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer, to unsolved murders. While there are promising leads and a renewed commitment from law enforcement to examine all available evidence, many questions remain unanswered. The hope is that this renewed focus will bring closure to the families of victims and ensure that justice is served. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

In the most recent episode of the acclaimed true crime podcast "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski and former FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer delved deep into fresh developments surrounding the notorious BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer, Dennis Rader. The discussion shed light on new investigations, revealing possible links to cold cases and the shocking discoveries made in Rader's former backyard.    "It's been a long-held belief that BTK's reign of terror extended beyond the crimes he confessed to," Brueski began, emphasizing the profound impact these revelations could have on the narrative surrounding Rader. Given that he is currently incarcerated and reportedly deteriorating in health, any fresh findings are all the more poignant.    Brueski mentioned the killer's daughter, Kerri, describing her father as a diminished figure, "rotting away and is like a shell, basically in a wheelchair," yet she engaged in conversations with him as the investigations gained momentum.    So, what makes these current investigations different from past speculations about Rader's involvement in other unsolved crimes? Coffindaffer highlighted, "There's a lot of factors that are corroborating the fact that he possibly was involved in one murder out of Osage County in Oklahoma." One striking piece of evidence she cited was a journal entry that alluded to a 'bad laundry day,' eerily coinciding with the disappearance of a young woman from a laundry facility.    More unsettling were Coffindaffer's revelations about the physical evidence discovered on Rader's former property. "Exactly where they were hidden...under a slab which would've been under a shed, they found a cylindrical-like structure that even had shingles," she described, noting that the purpose seemed to be protecting its contents from the elements. Inside this makeshift vault? Pantyhose believed to have been used in a strangulation, and as Coffindaffer mentioned, "it's just recently come out today, jewelry and possible other items."    Brueski voiced his observations on the chilling nature of the find, suggesting that it appeared to be one of Rader's "Heidi holes," a term the killer himself might use, loaded with items reminiscent of a dark time capsule.    A part of their discussion also touched upon an interview the Osage County Sheriff gave to Ashley Banfield on News Nation. The Sheriff's casual handling of the old pantyhose evidence raised eyebrows, especially on Coffindaffer's side. She expressed her reservations saying, "Those pantyhose would've been put into evidence and never seen or touched again, other than by a DNA expert." Drawing from her extensive FBI experience, she continued, "I didn't like that one bit, that shouldn't even be anywhere around his desk. It should be in a laboratory."    The importance of preserving such evidence, especially potential DNA, was a point Coffindaffer stressed. The mere possibility that a hair or other genetic material might be present on the pantyhose makes their mishandling all the more concerning. DNA can be pivotal in linking Rader definitively to unsolved crimes, potentially providing closure for many families.    The episode of "Hidden Killers" undoubtedly casts the BTK case in a new light, emphasizing the importance of continued investigations and the meticulous handling of evidence. As fresh details emerge, many will be looking to such platforms for insights, especially from seasoned experts like Coffindaffer. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

A new case against the infamous serial killer, Dennis Rader, popularly known as the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer, is strengthening, with a murder from 1976 in Osage County, Oklahoma, appearing to match his modus operandi. In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, hosts Tony Brueski and former Federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani discuss the implications of this development, as well as Rader's recent behavior and comments on other cases.    Brueski and Rahmani explore three main factors in the episode. First, the importance of justice and closure for the victims' families, even though Rader is already serving life sentences. "Even though he's serving life, the folks that have lost a loved one that's been missing for so many years, they deserve that closure, that justice," Rahmani states.    The second factor discussed is the death penalty. Kansas did not reinstate the death penalty until 1994, so law enforcement and prosecutors were unable to seek the death penalty for Rader's crimes in Kansas. However, if a qualifying case could be found in Missouri or Oklahoma, where the death penalty was reinstated earlier, it could lead to Rader's execution. "So if you can get a death penalty, qualified case, and maybe have a chance of finally putting Dennis Rader to death," Rahmani speculates.    The third factor discussed is Rader's apparent desire for attention and publicity. Brueski notes that Rader has been commenting on other cases over the last year, seemingly enjoying the attention it brings. "He seemed to have, I think, found a little niche where people were paying attention to him, which I'm sure he loves," Brueski observes.    Rahmani also discusses the role of familial DNA in the case, referencing the Golden State Killer and noting that law enforcement now has an advantage they did not have 10 or 20 years ago. Rader's daughter, Carrie Rawson, has previously stated that Rader was offered transactional immunity to confess to the murders, although he has not taken up the offer. Rawson was instrumental in Rader's arrest, as DNA from her pap smear was matched to one of the victims.    The hosts also discuss the possibility of Rader admitting to the crime or going to trial. Brueski notes that Rader admitted to his other crimes nearly 20 years ago during his arraignment in Wichita, but he is unsure if Rader will do the same in this case. "In this case though, I don't know. It has the signatures of him. Even if it is him, I don't know that he is just going to give it up that easy," Brueski says.    Ultimately, the hosts agree that Rader is unpredictable and that his actions in court will be a spectacle, regardless of the outcome. Rahmani notes, "It's not really gonna matter obviously, but it will be a spectacle to say the least."    In conclusion, the recent developments in the 1976 murder case in Osage County, Oklahoma, bring new hope for justice and closure for the victim's family. However, the possibility of a death penalty, Rader's desire for attention, and the role of familial DNA make the case complex and unpredictable. As the case progresses, all eyes will be on Dennis Rader and the court's proceedings, as the world waits to see if another victim of the BTK killer will finally receive justice. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK's Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

The notorious BTK serial killer, who once terrorized Kansas, is once again making headlines. Dennis Rader, the man infamously known for his chilling modus operandi to "bind, torture, and kill," is now considered the “prime suspect” in at least two cold cases, as announced by authorities on Wednesday.    Cold Cases Reopened:    The spark that reignited interest in Rader's potential involvement in additional crimes was the renewed investigation into the 1976 disappearance of Cynthia Kinney in Pawhuska, Oklahoma. This case, having been shelved and revisited intermittently over the decades, saw a resurgence of activity last December.    “With our proximity to Kansas and Wichita, Rader's known territory, it was only prudent to delve deeper into our cold cases," said Osage County, Oklahoma, Undersheriff Gary Upton. “The result was the unearthing of numerous unsolved homicides and missing persons cases that potentially have BTK's fingerprints all over them."    Further compounding the suspicion, another cold case being revisited is the tragic death of Shawna Beth Garber. The 22-year-old's remains were discovered in December 1990 in McDonald County, Missouri. The circumstances of her death were hauntingly familiar: she had been raped, strangled, and restrained with different bindings. Her body, lying undiscovered for nearly two months, was not identified until as recently as 2021.    Rader's Reign of Terror:    Dennis Rader, while maintaining the facade of a city code inspector in Kansas, committed a series of gruesome murders, confessing to 10 killings in the Wichita area between 1974 and 1991. His sinister activities caught up with him in 2005, leading to his arrest. Later that year, Rader was handed 10 consecutive life sentences in prison.    Recent Developments:    In an atmosphere of palpable anticipation, Upton shared limited information about a search conducted near Rader's former property in Park City, Kansas. Described as “items of interest,” these findings will undergo meticulous examination to ascertain their connection to the cold cases. Collaborating with the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, Upton aims to shed light on the dark corners of Rader's past.    Phil Bostian, the police chief in the Wichita suburb of Park City, mentioned the involvement of public works in the investigation, hinting at the removal of cement and excavation activities.    Rader's Family Cooperates:    In a twist that adds depth to the narrative, Kerri Rawson, Rader's daughter, revealed her collaboration with investigators this summer. Rawson met with her father after years of no communication, suspecting that her father might have concealed items related to the unresolved cases on his property, notably under a metal shed he constructed. This shed, along with Rader's previous residence, has since been razed.    Rawson additionally directed investigators to the location where the family dog was buried. With a mix of hope and trepidation, she expressed her wish to find conclusive answers. "I'm still not 100% sure my dad did commit any more at this point," she remarked. However, in her words, if her father had indeed harmed others, "we need answers."    The Path Ahead:    The renewed interest in Rader's possible involvement in additional crimes highlights the never-ending quest for justice. With investigators leaving no stone unturned, and with cooperation from unexpected quarters, the hope is to finally close the chapter on cases that have haunted families for decades.    These developments remind us that even in the darkest of tales, the pursuit of truth remains relentless. As the story unfolds, communities affected by Rader's heinous acts look forward to a resolution and, perhaps, a sense of closure. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

On this special episode of spirit talkers we had the chance for a special invitation to go investigate Osage County a few weeks ago. so we wanted to talk about some stories from the area. we even talk about killers of the flower moon, the ben johnson cowboy museum, and have a few listener stories. please go follow us on our instagram @spirit_talkers_podcast and spirit talkers on facebook. follow us on tiktok and please subscribe to our youtube channel. Follow & Subscribe to our other social media and podcast platforms with the link listed below https://linktr.ee/spirittalkers

Ep 163 is loose! And we have the jaw dropping tale of mass murder in 1920s Osage County, and the terrible price of greed...What happened to the Osage Nation? Why was one family experiencing such tragedy? And what do you know about what happens on oil rigs?The secret ingredient is...oil!Sources this week include Killers of The Flower Moon, Saint Louis Art Museum & The Art of Osage, The Insider.com, PBS, Famous Trails Reign of Terror An Account, and Oklahoma Historical SocietyGet cocktails and historic true crime tales every week with The Poisoners' Cabinet. Listen to the Podcast on iTunes, Spotify and find us on Acast: https://shows.acast.com/thepoisonerscabinet Join us Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepoisonerscabinet Find us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thepoisonerscabinet Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thepoisonerscabinet/ Find us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ThePoisonersCabinet Talk on Twitter: https://twitter.com/thepoisonerscab Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Finally, a federal investigation has begun in Osage County, Oklahoma. As agent Tom White begins to unravel the atrocities of the last few years, he realizes there's a conspiracy at play. And it's more insidious than anyone could ever imagine. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the 1920s, Osage County, Oklahoma is flush with oil, money, and mysterious deaths. Mollie Burkhart has lost several family members, and yet the authorities are no closer to apprehending those responsible. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The winter of 1923 saw more murders in the Osage Hills, but no one was prepared for the brazen and brutal attack that happened in March. In the aftermath, the Osage pressed the U.S. government and the state of Oklahoma for help, but their efforts produced few results. And then, criminals in Osage County started dying. The masterminds behind the conspiracy began covering their tracks and further proved no one was safe. Check out the Jordan Harbinger show today! jordanharbinger.com/start For a comedy distraction, try The Commercial Break podcast! tcbpodcast.com Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join Apple users join Noiser+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons. Click the Noiser+ banner on Apple or go to noiser.com/subscriptions to get started with a 7-day free trial. On YouTube, subscribe to INFAMOUS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: hit “JOIN” on the Infamous America YouTube homepage.  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm4V_wVD7N1gEB045t7-V0w/featured For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

 In 1921, two murder victims were discovered on the same day in Osage County in northeastern Oklahoma. It was shocking news, but members of the Osage tribe already knew they were in danger. They were some of the richest people on Earth, thanks to the oil under their land, and they had been dying in mysterious ways for years. But when the two bodies were found on the same day, it launched a 5-year period known as the Reign of Terror. No one was safe, and no one could be trusted. Check out the Jordan Harbinger show today! jordanharbinger.com/start Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join Apple users join Noiser+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons. Click the Noiser+ banner on Apple or go to noiser.com/subscriptions to get started with a 7-day free trial. On YouTube, subscribe to INFAMOUS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: hit “JOIN” on the Infamous America YouTube homepage.  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm4V_wVD7N1gEB045t7-V0w/featured For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices