Podcast appearances and mentions of ralph blumenthal

In the second half of an extended interview Jeremy and George are joined by New York Times journalist Ralph Blumenthal, co-author of the game-changing 2017 UFO story. The trio dive deep into the life of Dr. John Mack, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard psychiatrist who dared to take alien abduction seriously - and paid a steep price for it. The journalists unpack Mack's desperate fight to preserve his tenure during a secret Harvard 'inquisition' in the 1990s, his courageous expedition to the African town of Ruwa, Zimbabwe, to investigate the astonishing 1994 close encounter witnessed by 60 schoolchildren, and his provocative theories linking UFO incidents to paranormal experiences. Blumenthal pulls back the curtain on a man who saw a universe far stranger than we're told, from abductions to crop circles and beyond. But the story doesn't end with Mack. Blumenthal shares insider perspectives on the modern UFO frontier - why whistleblowers still fear coming forward, and the uphill battle for full disclosure in a skeptical world. This episode is a call to arms for independent journalism to uncover what's really out there, revealing the challenges of reporting the unreportable and the relentless pursuit of the unknown. Follow Ralph's work here : https://RalphBlumenthal.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at WeaponizedPodcast@Proton.me ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2 Watch Knapp's six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the eight decades since the modern UFO era began, few dates are as monumentally important as Dec. 16, 2017. That is when The New York Times published a blockbuster story about a secretive government investigation into alarming and ongoing encounters between U.S. military units and unidentified machines of unknown origin - machines that appear to be far more advanced than any technology known to exist on Earth. The fact that The New York Times, regarded as "the paper of record" and possibly the most respected news platform in the country, plastered the UFO exposé on the front page of its Dec. 17 edition sent shockwaves through American journalism, grabbed the attention of Congress, and reignited public interest in a subject that had been largely ignored or ridiculed - not only by The Times, but by nearly every major news organization in the Western world. The ripple effects from that report are still unfolding more than seven years later. The three journalists who worked on the story - Helene Cooper, Leslie Kean, and Ralph Blumenthal - somehow managed to overcome decades of government disinformation, scientific ridicule, and editorial scorn to get the story into the paper. Blumenthal, a brilliant, award-winning newsman, staked his reputation and career on that one report. How did he and his colleagues pull it off? What other secrets did they uncover that never made it into print? In a candid and highly personal conversation, Blumenthal reveals to Jeremy and George the difficulties that confronted the three journalists, including blowback from their colleagues, arguments with editors, and the conspiracy theories espoused by the loudest voices in the always rancorous UFO community. The story about AATIP, Tic Tac, Elizondo, Harry Reid, and other key players was not Blumenthal's entry point to the UFO debate. He was already investigating the life and career of a brilliant, mercurial, and flawed trailblazer - a Harvard psychiatrist named Dr. John Mack. Like the late Dr. Mack, Blumenthal suspects that the personal encounters between humans and non-humans, as reported by tens of thousands of people all over the world, might be far more important than the competition between world powers to master the technological secrets stashed deep inside the bowels of black-world programs. Follow Ralph's work here : https://RalphBlumenthal.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at WeaponizedPodcast@Proton.me ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2 Watch Knapp's six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the first half, Mike Bara, a former aerospace engineer turned conspiracy theorist, shared his insights on the intersection of politics, space technology, and the mysteries of UFOs. He delved into the implications of recent congressional hearings on UFOs and thinks there could be a political agenda behind the push for disclosure: a way to get UFOs and aliens into the public discourse. Bara believes the wrong individuals are being called to testify before Congress, as they lack expertise about some of the top UFO cases like Roswell. He was critical of notable witnesses like Chris Mellon and Lue Elizondo, suggesting that their backgrounds in intelligence cast doubt on their trustworthiness. He posited, "What if Kennedy was going to talk about aliens... and that was the reason why they decided to get rid of him?" This theory links JFK's assassination to a broader conspiracy involving alien technology and governmental secrecy.Discussing remarkable advancements in space technology, particularly SpaceX's achievements, he expressed confidence in Elon Musk's ambitions, stating, "When Musk says, I want to go to Mars in four years, who am I to say he's not going to do it?" The conversation shifted to the topic of drones and potential new technologies. A caller theorized about drones laying down reflective powder to enhance holographic images. The guest acknowledged the possibility, stating, "You need a reflective medium... so yeah, it's absolutely possible." He also touched on the Calvine UFO photo taken in Scotland in 1990, which some researchers have called the "best" UFO picture ever. Bara dismissed the diamond-shaped object in the photo as a mountain peak rather than an unidentified object.----------In the latter half, researcher and writer Micah Hanks shared his longtime fascination with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the mysteries of the universe, fueled by advancements in technology, particularly the James Webb Space Telescope. Hanks believes in the likelihood of extraterrestrial life, citing the diversity of organisms on Earth. "I find it almost impossible to think that there isn't life out there," he commented, with liquid methane oceans on moons encircling planets in our solar system, as well as on some of the discovered exoplanets, light years from Earth. He recounted some of the most compelling UFO cases, like the 1964 Lonnie Zamora incident in New Mexico and the 2004 Nimitz incident involving Navy pilots who encountered a Tic-Tac-shaped object. Hanks said he interviewed one of the pilots who described seeing the anomalous object moving erratically on the ocean surface.He acknowledged that while many UFO sightings can be explained, often as misidentified drones or satellites-- he remains captivated by the 2-5% that defy explanation. Discussing historical UFO phenomena, Hanks noted a decline in reported sightings of physical evidence, like landing traces, compared to decades past. He speculated, "Maybe there was a sort of survey... a scientific exploration of a planet... they simply don't need to do that anymore." The discussion moved on to whistleblowers in the UFO community, with Hanks skeptical of some claims while acknowledging the credibility of others. He highlighted the significance of David Grusch's revelations about how the US had reportedly retrieved craft of non-human origin, which was first published on the website he co-founded, The Debrief, in an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

In the first half, Mike Bara, a former aerospace engineer turned conspiracy theorist, shared his insights on the intersection of politics, space technology, and the mysteries of UFOs. He delved into the implications of recent congressional hearings on UFOs and thinks there could be a political agenda behind the push for disclosure: a way to get UFOs and aliens into the public discourse. Bara believes the wrong individuals are being called to testify before Congress, as they lack expertise about some of the top UFO cases like Roswell. He was critical of notable witnesses like Chris Mellon and Lue Elizondo, suggesting that their backgrounds in intelligence cast doubt on their trustworthiness. He posited, "What if Kennedy was going to talk about aliens... and that was the reason why they decided to get rid of him?" This theory links JFK's assassination to a broader conspiracy involving alien technology and governmental secrecy.Discussing remarkable advancements in space technology, particularly SpaceX's achievements, he expressed confidence in Elon Musk's ambitions, stating, "When Musk says, I want to go to Mars in four years, who am I to say he's not going to do it?" The conversation shifted to the topic of drones and potential new technologies. A caller theorized about drones laying down reflective powder to enhance holographic images. The guest acknowledged the possibility, stating, "You need a reflective medium... so yeah, it's absolutely possible." He also touched on the Calvine UFO photo taken in Scotland in 1990, which some researchers have called the "best" UFO picture ever. Bara dismissed the diamond-shaped object in the photo as a mountain peak rather than an unidentified object.----------In the latter half, researcher and writer Micah Hanks shared his longtime fascination with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the mysteries of the universe, fueled by advancements in technology, particularly the James Webb Space Telescope. Hanks believes in the likelihood of extraterrestrial life, citing the diversity of organisms on Earth. "I find it almost impossible to think that there isn't life out there," he commented, with liquid methane oceans on moons encircling planets in our solar system, as well as on some of the discovered exoplanets, light years from Earth. He recounted some of the most compelling UFO cases, like the 1964 Lonnie Zamora incident in New Mexico and the 2004 Nimitz incident involving Navy pilots who encountered a Tic-Tac-shaped object. Hanks said he interviewed one of the pilots who described seeing the anomalous object moving erratically on the ocean surface.He acknowledged that while many UFO sightings can be explained, often as misidentified drones or satellites-- he remains captivated by the 2-5% that defy explanation. Discussing historical UFO phenomena, Hanks noted a decline in reported sightings of physical evidence, like landing traces, compared to decades past. He speculated, "Maybe there was a sort of survey... a scientific exploration of a planet... they simply don't need to do that anymore." The discussion moved on to whistleblowers in the UFO community, with Hanks skeptical of some claims while acknowledging the credibility of others. He highlighted the significance of David Grusch's revelations about how the US had reportedly retrieved craft of non-human origin, which was first published on the website he co-founded, The Debrief, in an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

In the first half, Mike Bara, a former aerospace engineer turned conspiracy theorist, shared his insights on the intersection of politics, space technology, and the mysteries of UFOs. He delved into the implications of recent congressional hearings on UFOs and thinks there could be a political agenda behind the push for disclosure: a way to get UFOs and aliens into the public discourse. Bara believes the wrong individuals are being called to testify before Congress, as they lack expertise about some of the top UFO cases like Roswell. He was critical of notable witnesses like Chris Mellon and Lue Elizondo, suggesting that their backgrounds in intelligence cast doubt on their trustworthiness. He posited, "What if Kennedy was going to talk about aliens... and that was the reason why they decided to get rid of him?" This theory links JFK's assassination to a broader conspiracy involving alien technology and governmental secrecy.Discussing remarkable advancements in space technology, particularly SpaceX's achievements, he expressed confidence in Elon Musk's ambitions, stating, "When Musk says, I want to go to Mars in four years, who am I to say he's not going to do it?" The conversation shifted to the topic of drones and potential new technologies. A caller theorized about drones laying down reflective powder to enhance holographic images. The guest acknowledged the possibility, stating, "You need a reflective medium... so yeah, it's absolutely possible." He also touched on the Calvine UFO photo taken in Scotland in 1990, which some researchers have called the "best" UFO picture ever. Bara dismissed the diamond-shaped object in the photo as a mountain peak rather than an unidentified object.----------In the latter half, researcher and writer Micah Hanks shared his longtime fascination with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the mysteries of the universe, fueled by advancements in technology, particularly the James Webb Space Telescope. Hanks believes in the likelihood of extraterrestrial life, citing the diversity of organisms on Earth. "I find it almost impossible to think that there isn't life out there," he commented, with liquid methane oceans on moons encircling planets in our solar system, as well as on some of the discovered exoplanets, light years from Earth. He recounted some of the most compelling UFO cases, like the 1964 Lonnie Zamora incident in New Mexico and the 2004 Nimitz incident involving Navy pilots who encountered a Tic-Tac-shaped object. Hanks said he interviewed one of the pilots who described seeing the anomalous object moving erratically on the ocean surface.He acknowledged that while many UFO sightings can be explained, often as misidentified drones or satellites-- he remains captivated by the 2-5% that defy explanation. Discussing historical UFO phenomena, Hanks noted a decline in reported sightings of physical evidence, like landing traces, compared to decades past. He speculated, "Maybe there was a sort of survey... a scientific exploration of a planet... they simply don't need to do that anymore." The discussion moved on to whistleblowers in the UFO community, with Hanks skeptical of some claims while acknowledging the credibility of others. He highlighted the significance of David Grusch's revelations about how the US had reportedly retrieved craft of non-human origin, which was first published on the website he co-founded, The Debrief, in an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

In the first half, Mike Bara, a former aerospace engineer turned conspiracy theorist, shared his insights on the intersection of politics, space technology, and the mysteries of UFOs. He delved into the implications of recent congressional hearings on UFOs and thinks there could be a political agenda behind the push for disclosure: a way to get UFOs and aliens into the public discourse. Bara believes the wrong individuals are being called to testify before Congress, as they lack expertise about some of the top UFO cases like Roswell. He was critical of notable witnesses like Chris Mellon and Lue Elizondo, suggesting that their backgrounds in intelligence cast doubt on their trustworthiness. He posited, "What if Kennedy was going to talk about aliens... and that was the reason why they decided to get rid of him?" This theory links JFK's assassination to a broader conspiracy involving alien technology and governmental secrecy.Discussing remarkable advancements in space technology, particularly SpaceX's achievements, he expressed confidence in Elon Musk's ambitions, stating, "When Musk says, I want to go to Mars in four years, who am I to say he's not going to do it?" The conversation shifted to the topic of drones and potential new technologies. A caller theorized about drones laying down reflective powder to enhance holographic images. The guest acknowledged the possibility, stating, "You need a reflective medium... so yeah, it's absolutely possible." He also touched on the Calvine UFO photo taken in Scotland in 1990, which some researchers have called the "best" UFO picture ever. Bara dismissed the diamond-shaped object in the photo as a mountain peak rather than an unidentified object.----------In the latter half, researcher and writer Micah Hanks shared his longtime fascination with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the mysteries of the universe, fueled by advancements in technology, particularly the James Webb Space Telescope. Hanks believes in the likelihood of extraterrestrial life, citing the diversity of organisms on Earth. "I find it almost impossible to think that there isn't life out there," he commented, with liquid methane oceans on moons encircling planets in our solar system, as well as on some of the discovered exoplanets, light years from Earth. He recounted some of the most compelling UFO cases, like the 1964 Lonnie Zamora incident in New Mexico and the 2004 Nimitz incident involving Navy pilots who encountered a Tic-Tac-shaped object. Hanks said he interviewed one of the pilots who described seeing the anomalous object moving erratically on the ocean surface.He acknowledged that while many UFO sightings can be explained, often as misidentified drones or satellites-- he remains captivated by the 2-5% that defy explanation. Discussing historical UFO phenomena, Hanks noted a decline in reported sightings of physical evidence, like landing traces, compared to decades past. He speculated, "Maybe there was a sort of survey... a scientific exploration of a planet... they simply don't need to do that anymore." The discussion moved on to whistleblowers in the UFO community, with Hanks skeptical of some claims while acknowledging the credibility of others. He highlighted the significance of David Grusch's revelations about how the US had reportedly retrieved craft of non-human origin, which was first published on the website he co-founded, The Debrief, in an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

Unravelling the 2024 UAP Hearing that included witness testimony from Luis Elizondo, Tim Gallaudet, Michael Shellenberger, and Michael Gold. Discussing the alarming claims made both within that hearing and in Lue Elizondo's book 'Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs'. And digging into the incredible IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION report all about UFOs. This is my fourth interview with RALPH BLUMENTHAL, an award-winning reporter for The New York Times from 1964 to 2009, where he still contributes articles predominantly focused on UAP & UFOs. Please share to help Unravelling the Universe grow and reach more people. Thank you

Robert Powell is one of the world's leading authorities on the Stephenville UFO incident that took place in Texas in 2008. Robert was one of the first UAP investigators on the scene in the immediate aftermath and interviewed the key witnesses. Since then, he has written multiple papers about the UFO incident, and was recently featured in an episode of the National Geographic series ‘UFOs: Investigating the Unknown'. The episode Robert is featured in is about the 'Stephenville Lights' case and is called ‘Giant UFO in Texas'. This is my second interview with Robert, please scroll down for the link to the first.  Please share to help Unravelling the Universe continue to grow (hopefully less slowly) and reach more people. Thank you

During the past five decades, psychologist and parapsychologist Jeffrey Mishlove has been dialoguing with scientists, academics, experiencers, historians, and mystics on the subject of life's biggest questions, the mind beyond the brain, consciousness, and the nature of reality. His YouTube channel, New Thinking Allowed continues to produce quality content and is growing in popularity and with the help of dedicated volunteers, publishes a quarterly magazine.In this anthology Jeff explores the increasingly compelling subject of Unidentified Flying Objects, or as it's now termed by NASA: “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.”The book features scientists, historians, and researchers in the genre both past and present, such as Jacques Vallée, Nick Cook, Ralph Blumenthal, John E. Mack, Charles Upton, Whitley Strieber, Daz Smith, Jeffrey Kripal, Greg Bishop, Daniel Sheehan, and a Preface by Bob Davis, Ph.D.BioDoctor of Parapsychology (PhD, Berkeley)Host, Author, Founder of The New Thinking Allowed FoundationNew Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in “parapsychology” ever awarded by an accredited university, The University of California, Berkeley, 1980.Dr Mishlove is a past-vice-president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology; and is the recipient of the Pathfinder Award from that association for his contributions to the field of consciousness exploration. He is also past-president of the non-profit Intuition Network, an organization dedicated to creating a world in which all people are encouraged to cultivate and apply their inner, intuitive abilities.Amazon link https://amzn.to/4fV8JyIhttps://www.newthinkingallowed.org/https://www.youtube.com/@NewThinkingAllowed/videos https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcast

In this anthology Jeff explores the increasingly compelling subject of Unidentified Flying Objects, or as it's now termed by NASA: “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.”The book features scientists, historians, and researchers in the genre both past and present, such as Jacques Vallée, Nick Cook, Ralph Blumenthal, John E. Mack, Charles Upton, Whitley Strieber, Daz Smith, Jeffrey Kripal, Greg Bishop, Daniel Sheehan, and a Preface by Bob Davis, Ph.D.BioDoctor of Parapsychology (PhD, Berkeley)Host, Author, Founder of The New Thinking Allowed FoundationNew Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in “parapsychology” ever awarded by an accredited university, The University of California, Berkeley, 1980.Dr Mishlove is a past-vice-president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology; and is the recipient of the Pathfinder Award from that association for his contributions to the field of consciousness exploration. He is also past-president of the non-profit Intuition Network, an organization dedicated to creating a world in which all people are encouraged to cultivate and apply their inner, intuitive abilities.Amazon link https://amzn.to/4fV8JyIhttps://www.newthinkingallowed.org/https://www.youtube.com/@NewThinkingAllowed/videos https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/alienufopodcast

Why do we have the tendency to believe things when they may not be true? Why do we project patterns, agency and meaning onto the world when sometimes there is none? How can we consider the probabilities of conspiracies to identify the ones that may be true? How do we encourage brave journalism that calls out conspiracies even by powerful institutions, in spite of the pejorative term ‘conspiracy theorist'? Today we have the uncomfortable topic of how our brains often believe things which aren't true. The topic fits perfectly with our theme for series 4 of Self-transcendence vs Self-delusion. Our innate ability to notice patterns in systems, assign agency and find meaning in the world are among the reasons we've evolved to become so successful at predicting, understanding and creating meaningful collaborations in the world. But the issue with these abilities is that we might make the mistake of thinking what the brain assigns to the world for our own survival, is necessarily true of the world itself. Sure our brains do track the truth but truth is not always what's needed for survival; so issues like negativity bias, confirmation bias and creating narrative stories that conveniently map onto our existing world view have become a deeply engrained part of our society. Add to this modern phenomena like the siloing of information by the internet into small echo chambers where only like minds come together; algorithmic amplification of memes led by the internet business model of “maximising engagement”; and decreasing trust in institutions, as economic inequality in the world increases exponentially, and you get a perfect storm of clashing beliefs about the truth. Fortunately, our guest today is one of the most established sceptical voices in science who reminds us that we need to track closely the difference between what can be collectively confirmed to be true, and what our brains project to be true from the inside out. He is of course, New York Times best selling author and founding publisher of Skeptic magazine Michael Shermer; he wrote for 18 years for the Scientific American. He's written nine books but today we're going to focus on his books “The Believing Brain” and his new release “Conspiracy: Why the rational believe the irrational”. What we discuss: 00:00 Intro 07:00 The philosophy of scepticism. 08:45 ‘Default to truth' 15:40 Moral truth VS moral relativism. 19:00 Scientific revolutions overturning consensus. 24:30 ‘The Believing Brain'. 25:40 The ability to see patterns in the chaos, and assign agency to them. 26:50 Evolution selects for assuming more things are real than not, just in case. 30:10 Bayesian inference: levels of confidence in being right or wrong. 32:40 ‘Agencicity', impugning patterns with intentional agency. 33:40 Most things happen randomly, and can't be predicted. 41:10 Assigning meaning to patterns in nature. 43:50 Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. 44:40 Teleology: goal directness in life. 47:50 Dennet - the intentional stance 48:50 Confirmation bias. 54:00 Algorithmic amplification. 57:40 There are many real conspiracies. 01:00:20 Tribal, proxy and paranoid conspiracism. 01:03:35 Being overly suspicious - negativity bias. 01:07:50 Critical thinking - how not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. 01:16:50 Conflict of interest in media - shareholders vs stakeholder interest. 01:18:40 The pejorative term ‘conspiracy theorist' demotivating brave journalism. 01:26:30 Reductionism and determinism evaluated. 01:32:20 Remote Viewing and psi phenomena: sceptics view. 01:46:30 The UFO phenomena: sceptics view. References: Michael Shermer, “The Believing Brain” Michael Shermer, “Conspiracy” Michael Shermer, “The Moral Arc” Scepticism 101 course: How to think like a scientist Remote viewing Stargate Program documentary “Third Eye Spies” Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal, and Leslie Kean - ‘Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program', NYTimes article

Why do we have the tendency to believe things when they may not be true? Why do we project patterns, agency and meaning onto the world when sometimes there is none? How can we consider the probabilities of conspiracies to identify the ones that may be true? How do we encourage brave journalism that calls out conspiracies even by powerful institutions, in spite of the pejorative term ‘conspiracy theorist'? Today we have the uncomfortable topic of how our brains often believe things which aren't true. The topic fits perfectly with our theme for series 4 of Self-transcendence vs Self-delusion. Our innate ability to notice patterns in systems, assign agency and find meaning in the world are among the reasons we've evolved to become so successful at predicting, understanding and creating meaningful collaborations in the world. But the issue with these abilities is that we might make the mistake of thinking what the brain assigns to the world for our own survival, is necessarily true of the world itself. Sure our brains do track the truth but truth is not always what's needed for survival; so issues like negativity bias, confirmation bias and creating narrative stories that conveniently map onto our existing world view have become a deeply engrained part of our society. Add to this modern phenomena like the siloing of information by the internet into small echo chambers where only like minds come together; algorithmic amplification of memes led by the internet business model of “maximising engagement”; and decreasing trust in institutions, as economic inequality in the world increases exponentially, and you get a perfect storm of clashing beliefs about the truth. Fortunately, our guest today is one of the most established sceptical voices in science who reminds us that we need to track closely the difference between what can be collectively confirmed to be true, and what our brains project to be true from the inside out. He is of course, New York Times best selling author and founding publisher of Skeptic magazine Michael Schermer; he wrote for 18 years for the Scientific American. He's written nine books but today we're going to focus on his books “The Believing Brain” and his new release “Conspiracy: Why the rational believe the irrational”. What we discuss: 00:00 Intro 07:00 The philosophy of scepticism. 12:00 Oppenheimer quote - the freedom to doubt dogma to progress science. 15:40 Moral truth VS moral relativism. 19:00 Scientific revolutions overturning consensus. 24:30 ‘The Believing Brain'. 25:40 The ability to see patterns 26:50 Evolution selects for assuming more things are real than not, just in case. 30:10 Bayesian inference: levels of confidence in being right or wrong. 32:40 ‘Agencicity', impugning patterns with intentional agency. 36:50 Identical twin studies 41:10 Assigning meaning to patterns in nature. 44:40 Teleology: goal directness in life. 48:50 Confirmation bias - cherry picking data to belong in groups with certain beliefs 57:40 There are many real conspiracies. 01:00:20 Tribal, proxy and paranoid conspiracism. 01:03:35 Being overly suspicious - negativity bias. 01:07:50 Critical thinking - how not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. 01:16:50 Conflict of interest in media 01:18:40 The pejorative term ‘conspiracy theorist' demotivating brave journalism. 01:26:30 Reductionism and determinism evaluated. 01:32:20 Remote Viewing and psi phenomena: sceptics view. 01:46:30 The UFO phenomena: sceptics view. References: Michael Schermer, “The Believing Brain" Michael Scheremer, “Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational” Michael Schermer, “The Moral Arc” Scepticism 101 course: How to think like a scientist Remote viewing Stargate Program documentary “Third Eye Spies” Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal, and Leslie Kean - ‘Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program', NYTimes article

In the third episode of this series, we're bring you a panel discussion from the April 2023 conference. This panel was hosted by Curt Jaimungal of Theories of Everything and features Leslie Kean and James Fox. Listening back to this discussion is especially fascinating given the timing. This was just a couple of months before the article written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal broke in The Debrief where the world learned about whistleblower David Grusch and his allegations about the existence of top-secret UFO crash retrieval programs. So besides being a great conversation, it's an interesting time capsule of the period when this story was in development.  One quick note about this episode:The questions from the audience were a little bit hard to hear, so in the interest of clarity, you'll hear the questions read by Jay.___________________ This episode is brought to you by The Experiencer Group. The Experiencer Group is a private online community dedicated to support, curiosity & community for people who've had anomalous events of all kinds. They hold regular support meetings for people who are processing anomalous experiences, book clubs, special guest speaker presentations, and more. You can learn more and sign up at tegmembers.com. ___________________EPISODE BRIEFINQUIRE ANOMALOUS YOUTUBE CHANNELThe full video of this talk will be released on the Inquire Anomalous Youtube channel next week. Subscribe now and click the bell so you get the alert when it goes live.BECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebook

Despite increased pressure for oversight into UAP programs, officials insisted they had not uncovered any recoveries of extraterrestrial crafts or bodies. However, one person on the UAP Task Force with top security clearance would soon blow the whistle on what he had learned: not only are we not alone, but we may be in danger. Visit our website at www.strange-phenomenon.comHosted by Ray TararaWritten & Produced by R.J. Blake and Ray TararaTheme Music by Terra MonkSpecial guest: Ralph Blumenthal - https://ralphblumenthal.com/Brian Entin - https://www.newsnationnow.com/author/brian-entin/Clips from “We Are Not Alone: The Whistleblower Speaks” used with permission from NewsNation. Additional audio from CSPAN.

For this now-traditional (and beloved) annual UFO history episode, Seriah is joined by Mike Clelland and Aaron Gulyas. Topics include Joshua Cutchin's new novel, Mike's new novel, H.P. Lovecraft, strange owl experiences, ten-foot-tall “shadow aliens” invasion of a Miami mall, Christopher Bledsoe Sr.'s book “The UFO of God”, strange encounters with Bledsoe, three-letter federal agencies, Jim Semivan, To The Stars Academy, foreknowledge of “disclosure”, recurring UFO/UAP experts, David Grusch, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, Sean Kirkpatrick, problems with evidence, hysteria and obsession in the disclosure movement, the “Who Killed JFK?” podcast with Soledad O'Brien and Rob Reiner, government secrecy and presidential inaction, Stanton Friedman, Rick Hilberg, limitations of learning about UFOs on the internet, Richard Doty, disclosure and enchantment, society's changing attitude toward UFO phenomena, Jason Colavito, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, James Dean, Rob Halford, George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell, Jacques Vallee, the book “Trinity”, Robbie Graham, the books “Silver Screen Saucers” and “UFOs: Reframing the Debate”, Steven Spielberg and Ronald Reagan, Mystery Science Theater 3000, Kenn Thomas and Steamshovel Press, the books “Maury Island UFO” and “JFK & UFO”, Fred Chrisman, the “Janus Descending” podcast, superficial content in current ufology, an ex-CIA agent and an encounter with a giant owl, George Noory, Robin Lassiter and her book “Earth: A Love Story”, Suzanne Chancellor, first time guests from the previous, Mike's book “The Unseen”, a bizarre foreshadowing of a romantic relationship, the NASA UAP report, Richard Hoagland, the Brookings Report, the Old Navy retail conspiracy and hyper-dimensional physics, NASA esotericism and secrecy, the face on Mars, Ian Punnett, UFO Tarot Deck, Red Pill Junkie, Susan Demeter, true goals of government disclosure activities, and much more! This is an absolutely fascinating discussion by some true experts in the field!

Ralph Blumenthal had a long career working as a reporter for the New York Times. Together with Leslie Kean, he brought the explosive story about a secret government program that had been quietly studying UFOs - regardless of the government's public denials of any such program existing. He later helped bring the incredible story of David Grusch to the public spotlight. His reporting has led to multiple congressional hearings being held on the subject of UFOs. We spoke with him about how he came upon these stories and what the future may hold for disclosure. Visit our website at www.strange-phenomenon.comHosted by Ray TararaWritten & Produced by R.J. Blake and Ray TararaTheme Music by Terra MonkAdditional Music by Totemtag - https://totemtag.bandcamp.com/Special guest: Ralph Blumenthal - https://ralphblumenthal.com/You can find Ralph's book The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mark at: Amazon | Indiebound | Barnes & Noble

In 1969, the U.S. Government shut down their only program dedicated to researching UFOs. Despite hundreds of incidents still being “unidentified”, the government claimed that there was no likelihood they would ever investigate the subject again. But decades later, reporters uncovered a program buried within the Pentagon analyzing encounters Navy pilots were having with craft that appeared to have technology far surpassing anything known on Earth. Visit our website at www.strange-phenomenon.comHosted by Ray TararaWritten & Produced by R.J. Blake and Ray TararaTheme Music by Terra MonkSpecial guest: Ralph Blumenthal - https://ralphblumenthal.com/Clips from “We Are Not Alone: The Whistleblower Speaks” used with permission from NewsNation. Additional audio from the National Archives and CSPAN.

This is a pre-release of S09 E05 only to the podcast platforms.All show notes will appear when it is officially out on the video platforms.Recorded: 12 Jan 2023Series: Timeline of a Breakaway Civilization

For this now-traditional (and beloved) annual UFO history episode, Seriah is joined by Mike Clelland and Aaron Gulyas. Topics include Joshua Cutchin's new novel, Mike's new novel, H.P. Lovecraft, strange owl experiences, ten-foot-tall “shadow aliens” invasion of a Miami mall, Christopher Bledsoe Sr.'s book “The UFO of God”, strange encounters with Bledsoe, three-letter federal agencies, Jim Semivan, To The Stars Academy, foreknowledge of “disclosure”, recurring UFO/UAP experts, David Grusch, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, Sean Kirkpatrick, problems with evidence, hysteria and obsession in the disclosure movement, the “Who Killed JFK?” podcast with Soledad O'Brien and Rob Reiner, government secrecy and presidential inaction, Stanton Friedman, Rick Hilberg, limitations of learning about UFOs on the internet, Richard Doty, disclosure and enchantment, society's changing attitude toward UFO phenomena, Jason Colavito, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, James Dean, Rob Halford, George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell, Jacques Vallee, the book “Trinity”, Robbie Graham, the books “Silver Screen Saucers” and “UFOs: Reframing the Debate”, Steven Spielberg and Ronald Reagan, Mystery Science 3000, Kenn Thomas and Steamshovel Press, the books “Maury Island UFO” and “JFK & UFO”, Fred Chrisman, the “Janus Descending” podcast, superficial content in current ufology, an ex-CIA agent and an encounter with a giant owl, George Noory, Robin Lassiter and her book “earth: a love story”, Suzanne Chancellor, first time guests from the previous, Mike's book “The Unseen”, a bizarre foreshadowing of a romantic relationship, the NASA UAP report, Richard Hoagland, the Brookings Report, the Old Navy retail conspiracy and hyper-dimensional physics, NASA esotericism and secrecy, the face on Mars, Ian Punnett, UFO Tarot Deck, Red Pill Junkie, Susan Demeter, true goals of government disclosure activities, and much more! This is an absolutely fascinating discussion by some true experts in the field! - Recap by Vincent Treewell of The Weird Part Podcast Outro Music is UFO by One-Eyed Doll Download

Seriah is joined by Red Pill Junky, Saxon, and Chris Ernst to discuss the paranormal highlights of 2023. Topics include the Chinese balloon incident, UAP disclosure, David Grusch, hoaxed alien bodies presented to the Mexican congress, alleged aliens at a Miami mall, a meteor and alleged aliens in Las Vegas, stories of strange entities invading a Peruvian village, jet packs, secret government technology, conspiracy theories, Havana Syndrome, corporate legacy programs, non-human biologics, Catherine Austin Fitts, government waste, drones, multiple motives for cover-ups, the Osprey military aircraft, the Iraqi sky jellyfish video, Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, Jason Colavito, Avi Loeb, strange metal balls in Papua New Guinea, a theory of extraterrestrial probes, Corey Goode and an alleged secret space program, “The Secret of Oak Island” TV show, the Knights Templar, unknown history, a lost city in Ecuador, recently re-discovered ancient civilizations in the Amazon, ancient super-soil, a confusing AI-written paper, AI manipulation of photographs, the difficulties of correctly interpreting history and artifacts, unexplained ancient metal objects, Robert Temple, sophisticated fire-starting lenses in ancient times, the Antikythera mechanism, an AI-assisted battery invention, “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” movie, positive and negative uses of AI, Sam Altman and OpenAI, inventor Dean Kamen and the Segway, illusions about AI sentience, the Rob Reiner and Soledad O'Brien podcast “Who Killed JFK?”, “The Creator” film, Tom DeLonge, the Sol Foundation, factions in government and media, the UFO narrative/agenda, Lockheed-Matin, Marty Garza, fusion technology, Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal, Ross Coulthart, NewsNation, Red Pill's theory on the timing of certain news stories, and much more! This is a fascinating, wide-ranging discussion!

Seriah is joined by Red Pill Junky, Saxon, and Chris Ernst to discuss the paranormal highlights of 2023. Topics include the Chinese balloon incident, UAP disclosure, David Grusch, hoaxed alien bodies presented to the Mexican congress, alleged aliens at a Miami mall, a meteor and alleged aliens in Las Vegas, stories of strange entities invading a Peruvian village, jet packs, secret government technology, conspiracy theories, Havana Syndrome, corporate legacy programs, non-human biologics, Catherine Austin Fitts, government waste, drones, multiple motives for cover-ups, the Osprey military aircraft, the Iraqi sky jellyfish video, Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, Jason Colavito, Avi Loeb, strange metal balls in Papua New Guinea, a theory of extraterrestrial probes, Corey Goode and an alleged secret space program, “The Secret of Oak Island” TV show, the Knights Templar, unknown history, a lost city in Ecuador, recently re-discovered ancient civilizations in the Amazon, ancient super-soil, a confusing AI-written paper, AI manipulation of photographs, the difficulties of correctly interpreting history and artifacts, unexplained ancient metal objects, Robert Temple, sophisticated fire-starting lenses in ancient times, the Antikythera mechanism, an AI-assisted battery invention, “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” movie, positive and negative uses of AI, Sam Altman and OpenAI, inventor Dean Kamen and the Segway, illusions about AI sentience, the Rob Reiner and Soledad O'Brien podcast “Who Killed JFK?”, “The Creator” film, David Grusch, Tom DeLonge, the Sol Foundation, factions in government and media, the UFO narrative/agenda, Lockheed-Matin, Marty Garza, fusion technology, Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal, Ross Coulthart, NewsNation, Red Pill's theory on the timing of certain news stories, and much more! This is a fascinating, wide-ranging discussion! - Recap by Vincent Treewell of The Weird Part Podcast Outro Music is Psyche Corporation with Whirring World Download

Don't miss out on this thought-provoking discussion that sheds light on pivotal moments, including the Pentagon's UFO reverse-engineering program expose, Trump's disclosure mandate, and the role being played by organizations like AARO and NASA.

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On today's show, author and lecturer Ralph Blumenthal explains how he got interested in the UFO phenomenon after learning the fascinating story of Dr. John Mack, a distinguished Harvard-trained psychiatrist. Dr. Mack's bravery in the face of academic and societal ostracization while studying UFO abductees inspired Ralph to write a book about it (THE BELIEVER). Ralph also comments on the paradigm shift occurring worldwide as governments openly admit the existence of UFOs. GUEST OVERVIEW: Ralph Blumenthal, a Distinguished Lecturer at Baruch College of the City University of New York, and summer journalism instructor at Phillips Exeter Academy, was a reporter for The New York Times from 1964 to 2009, and has written seven books based on investigative crime reporting and cultural history. His first book about UFOs, THE BELIEVER: ALIEN ENCOUNTERS, HARD SCIENCE, AND THE PASSION OF JOHN MACK (2021) is the first biography of Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard Psychiatrist John E. Mack (1929-2004) who risked an esteemed career to investigate stupefying accounts of human abductions by aliens. https://ralphblumenthal.com/  

For today's episode, I had the honor and the privilege of sitting down with someone who has been the driving force behind some of the most important breakthroughs in the UFO disclosure movement, journalist and author Leslie Kean.Along with journalists Ralph Blumenthal and Helene Cooper, Kean is responsible for the now historic 2017 article in The New York Times entitled Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program that first revealed the existence of that program to the public. And in June of 2023, she teamed up with Ralph Blumenthal once again for another history-making piece in The Debrief about the stunning claims made by high-ranking intelligence official-turned-whistleblower. David Grusch, about the existence of secretive crash retrieval programs that are in possession of craft of non-human origin. Just those two articles alone are enough to earn her an unchallenged spot on the Mount Rushmore of disclosure, but they hardly represent the totality of her work in the field. On top of writing countless articles, Leslie is also the author of the book UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record as well as the book Surviving Death: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for an Afterlife. `I'll have all of that and more linked up in the episode description so you can check it out.Later this week on December 9th, Leslie will be co-hosting the fourth meeting of the Inquiry Into Anomalous Experience and the Phenomenon conference series in New York City alongside organizer Jay Christopher King and James Iandoli. Speakers include Diana Walsh Pasulka, Tim Gallaudet, Michael Masters, Paul H. Smith, Peter Skafish, and Josh Cutchin. A surprise guest speaker was just announced, as well—pilot and Nimitz incident witness Alex Dietrich.In-person tickets for this conference are currently sold out, but a limited number of livestream tickets are still available.GET LIVESTREAM TICKETS HEREAn Inquiry Into Anomalous Experience and the Phenomenon conference series in NYCDec. 9, 2023EPISODE BRIEFBECOME A PATRONPatrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase.Memberships start at just $5/month.GET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5746035/advertisement

Ralph Blumenthal is an author and the investigative journalist, who along with Leslie Kean, broke the story about the Pentagon's mysterious U.F.O. program with United States Air Force officer and former intelligence official, whistleblower David Grusch. Ralph was a reporter for The New York Times from 1964 to 2009, and has written seven books based on investigative crime reporting and cultural history. His latest book The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack was published by High Road Books of the University of New Mexico Press. It's the first biography of Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard Psychiatrist Dr. John E. Mack (1929-2004) who risked an esteemed career to investigate stupefying accounts of human abductions by aliens. Ralph and his wife, Deborah, have collaborated on a nonfiction picture book for children, “UFOhs!RALPH BLUMETHALTWITTER: https://twitter.com/ralphbluWEBSITE: https://ralphblumenthal.com/BOOKS: https://ralphblumenthal.com/books/NY TIMES ARTICLE: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html?_r=0THE RIPPLE EFFECT PODCAST:WEBSITE: http://TheRippleEffectPodcast.comWebsite Host & Video Distributor: https://ContentSafe.co/SUPPORT:PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/TheRippleEffectPodcastPayPal: https://www.PayPal.com/paypalme/RvTheory6VENMO: https://venmo.com/code?user_id=3625073915201071418&created=1663262894MERCH Store: http://www.TheRippleEffectPodcastMerch.comSPONSORS:LMNT Electrolyte Drink Mix (Free Gift With Purchase): http://DrinkLMNT.com/TheRippleEffectTHE UNIVERSITY OF REASON (Autonomy Course): https://www.universityofreason.com/a/29887/ouiRXFoLWATCH:RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/c-745495YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfy9MXhb5EIciYRIO9cKUwLISTEN:SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4lpFhHI6CqdZKW0QDyOicJiTUNES: http://apple.co/1xjWmlFCONNECT:TeleGram: https://t.me/TREpodcastTWITTER: https://twitter.com/RvTheory6INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/rvtheory6/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheRippleEffectPodcast/MINDS: https://www.minds.com/therippleeffectpodcast/THE UNION OF THE UNWANTED: https://linktr.ee/TheUnionOfTheUnwanted

GET‌ ‌EVERY‌ ‌EPISODE‌ ‌AD FREE PLUS BONUS‌ ‌CONTENT‌ ‌AT:‌ ‌‌www.patreon.com/crackpotpodcast‌ This week we delve into the mind-boggling series of events that have brought us from the groundbreaking New York Times article in 2017 to the latest developments in August 2023. In 2017, The New York Times published a game-changing article revealing the existence of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the government's undisclosed efforts to study UFOs. Investigated by Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal, and Leslie Kean, the story also featured unreleased videos that sent shockwaves through the world. Fast forward to 2023, where we explore developments like the declassification of videos captured by Navy pilots and the establishment of permanent UAP task forces within government agencies. Learn about the courageous whistleblowers who've come forward with shocking information and the congressional efforts to accelerate UAP disclosure. This episode uncovers it all, from UFOs shot down over Alaskan waters to mind-bending theories on the nature of these phenomena. Discover the latest updates and controversies in the world of UFOs and UAPs. Don't miss out – tune in and stay informed on this enigmatic topic that has captured the world's imagination. Subscribe now to [Your Podcast Name] and be a part of the UFO disclosure conversation!  

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Since May 2022, Congress has held three hearings looking into Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and the possibility of non-human intelligent life flying aircraft on Earth. In this episode, hear testimony from three Defense Department officials and three credible whistleblowers, whose testimony is often as contradictory as it is shocking. Please Support Congressional Dish – Quick Links Contribute monthly or a lump sum via Support Congressional Dish via (donations per episode) Send Zelle payments to: Donation@congressionaldish.com Send Venmo payments to: @Jennifer-Briney Send Cash App payments to: $CongressionalDish or Donation@congressionaldish.com Use your bank's online bill pay function to mail contributions to: Please make checks payable to Congressional Dish Thank you for supporting truly independent media! Background Sources Whistleblower Protections Clayton E. Wire. 2020. Ogborn Mihm LLP. Security Classifications Security Classification of Information, Volume 2. Principles for Classification of Information. Arvin S. Quist. Oak Ridge National Laboratory: 1993. UAP Background Brian Entin. June 6, 2023. NewsNation. Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal. June 5, 2023. The Debrief. May 16, 2021. 60 Minutes. Ralph Blumenthal. December 18, 2017. The New York Times. Helene Cooper et al. December 16, 2017. The New York Times. Independent Research and Development National Defense Industrial Association. SCIFs Derek Hawkins et al. April 26, 2023. The Washington Post. Kirkpatrick Response Letter D. Dean Johnson (@ddeanjohnson). Twitter. Audio Sources July 26, 2023 House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs Witnesses: , Former Commanding Officer, United States Navy Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense Clips timestamps reflect C-SPAN video 4:30 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): The National Defense Authorization Act of 2022 established the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office or AARO to conduct or to coordinate efforts across the Department of Defense and other federal agencies to detect, identify and investigate UAPs. However, AARO's budget remains classified, prohibiting meaningful oversight from Congress. 19:50 Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA): We know the Senate is taking up an amendment to their defense authorization bill which will create a commission with broad declassification authority and we should all agree that that is an important step. 27:40 Ryan Graves: Excessive classification practices keep crucial information hidden. Since 2021, all UAP videos are classified as secret or above. This level of secrecy not only impedes our understanding, but fuels speculation and mistrust. 27:55 Ryan Graves: In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot in the Navy fighter attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers, and I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. After upgrades were made to our jet's radar systems, we began detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace. At first, we assumed they were radar errors. But soon we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, and eventually through visual ID. During a training mission in Warning Area W-72, 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach. Two F/A-18F Super Hornets were split by a UAP. The object, described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere, came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be five to 15 feet in diameter. The mission commander terminated the flight immediately and returned to base. Our squadron submitted a safety report, but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings. Soon these encounters became so frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs. 29:00 Ryan Graves: Recognising the need for action and answers, I founded Americans for Safe Aerospace. The organization has since become a haven for UAP witnesses who were previously unspoken due to the absence of a safe intake process. More than 30 witnesses have come forward and almost 5000 Americans have joined us in the fight for transparency at safeaerospace.org 29:20 Ryan Graves: The majority of witnesses are commercial pilots at major airlines. Often, they are veterans with decades of flying experience. Pilots are reporting UAP at altitudes that appear above them at 40,000 feet potentially in low Earth orbit or in the gray zone below the Karman Line, making unexplainable maneuvers like right hand turns and retrograde orbits or J hooks. Sometimes these reports are reoccurring with numerous recent sightings north of y and in the North Atlantic. Other veterans are also coming forward to us regarding UAP encounters in our airspace and oceans. The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems. I believe these accounts are only scratching the surface and more will share their experiences once it is safe to do so. 31:30 David Grusch: I became a whistleblower through a PPD 19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence community Inspector General following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence community individuals that the US government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs. My testimony is based on information I've been given by individuals with a long standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country, many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony to myself and my various colleagues. I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence over a period of four years while I was with the UAP Task Force and do my due diligence on the individual sharing it. Because of these steps. I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this information before you. 33:30 David Grusch: In 2019, the UAP Task Force director asked me to identify all Special Access Programs and Controlled Access Programs, also known as SAPS and CAPS. We needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission and we were direct report at the time to the [Deputy Secretary of Defense]. At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence support duties, I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust both in my military and civilian capacities. I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional read-ons when I requested it. I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this information to my superiors and multiple Inspectors General and, in effect, becoming a whistleblower. 35:20 Cmdr. David Fravor: We were attached to carrier 11, stationed onboard USS Nimitz and began a two month workup cycle off the coast of California. On this day, we were scheduled for a two v two air-to-air training with the USS Princeton as our control. When we launched off Nimitz, my wingman was joining out, we were told that the training was going to be suspended and we're going to proceed with real world tasking. As we proceeded to the West, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to and we were unaware of what we're going to see when we arrived. There, the controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up. For those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet is space. We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet and the controller called the merge plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as a contact. As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some whitewater off our right side. It's important to note the weather on this day was as close to perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego: clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps from waves. So the whitewater stood out in a large blue ocean. All four of us, because we were in an F/A-18F F, so we had pilots and WSO in the backseat, looked down and saw a white tic tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south and moving very abruptly over the water, like a ping pong ball. There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings. As we started clockwise towards the object, my WSO I decided to go down and take a closer look with the other aircraft staying in high cover to observe both us and the tic tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft and began to climb. We continued down another 270 degrees, and we went nose low to where the tic tac would have been. Our altitude at this point is about 15,000 feet and the tic tac was about 12,000. As we pulled nose-on to the object within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingmen, roughly 8000 feet above us, lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the whitewater was at and it was gone also. So as you started to turn back towards the east the controller came up and said "Sir you're not going to believe this but that thing is that your cat point roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute." You can calculate the speed. We returned to Nimitz. We were taking off our gear, we were talking to one of my crews that was getting ready to launch, we mentioned it to them and they went out and luckily got the video that you see, that 90 second video. What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released, and we don't know where it's at. 37:55 Cmdr. David Fravor: What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated. None of my crew ever questioned and tapes were never taken and after a couple days it turned into a great story with friends. It wasn't until 2009 until J. Stratton had contacted me to investigate. Unbeknownst to all, he was part of the AATIP program at the Pentagon led by Lue Elizondo. There was an unofficial official report that came out it's now in the internet. Years later, I was contacted by the other pilot Alex Dietrich and asked if I'd been contacted and I said "No, but I'm willing to talk." I was contacted by Mr. Elizondo, and we talked for a short period of time, he said we'd be in contact. A few weeks after that I was made aware that Lue had left the Pentagon in protest and joined forces with Tom DeLonge and Chris Mellon, Steve Justice, and others to form To the Stars Academy, an organization that pressed the issue with leading industry experts and US government officials. They worked with Leslie Kean, who is present today, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper to publish the articles in the New York Times in 2017. It removed the stigma on the topic of UFOs, which is why we're here today. Those articles opened the door for the government and public that cannot be closed. It has led to an interest from our elected officials, who are not focused on Little Green Men, but figuring out where these craft are, where they are from, the technology they possess, how do they operate. It also led to the Whistleblower Protection Act in the NDAA. 39:45 Cmdr. David Fravor: In closing, I would like to say that the tic tac object we engaged in 2004 was far superior to anything that we had on time, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10 years. If we, in fact, have programs that possess this technology and needs to have oversight from those people, that the citizens of this great country elected in office to represent what is best for the United States and best for the citizens. I thank you for your time. 40:20 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact with as part of your organization, do you feel adequately trained and briefed on how to handle encounters with UAPs? Ryan Graves: No. Right now, military witnesses to UAP have limited options for reporting UAP. But more more concerning is that the commercial aviation sector has not adapted to the lessons that the military has implemented. The military and Department of Defense have stated that UAP represent a critical aviation safety risk. We have not seen that same language being used in the commercial markets, they are not acknowledging this. 41:05 Ryan Graves: Right now we need a system where pilots can report without fear of losing their jobs. There's a fear that the stigma associated with this topic is going to lead to professional repercussions either through management or perhaps through their yearly physical check. So having a secure system, reducing the stigma, and making this information available through the public is going to reduce the concerns that aircrew have. 41:30 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Can you just give me a little idea the degree to which reports in the past are not made public right now? Ryan Graves: Well, I don't think there has been a proper reporting system to gather those reports and thus not report them. So to answer your question, I think there is a dearth of data due to the fact that the reporting has been limited up to this time. 41:45 Ryan Graves: There's certainly some national security concerns when we use our advanced sensors and our tactical jets to be able to identify these objects. However, there's no reason that the objects themselves would be classified. I would be curious to see how the security classification guideline actually spells out the different nuances of how this topic is classified from the perspective of UAP, not national security. 43:00 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Mr. Fravor, the tic tac incident that you were engaged [in] occurred in 2004. What kind of reporting took place after that incident? Ryan Graves: None. We had a standard debrief where the back-seaters went down to our carrier intel center and briefed what had happened, and that was it. No one else talked to us. And I was in the top 20 in the battle group, no one came that the Captain was aware, the of Admiral was aware, nothing was done. Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Did your commanding officers provide any sort of justification? Ryan Graves: No, because I was the commanding officer of the quadron. So no. Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Was this incident the only UAP event that you encountered while you were a pilot? Ryan Graves: Yes, it was. 43:50 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Do you believe UAPs pose a potential threat to our national security? Ryan Graves: Yes, and here's why: the technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had, and you could put that anywhere. If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you got it to work, you're talking something that can go into space, go someplace, dropped down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants and leave. And there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing. 44:20 Ryan Graves: I would also like to add from a commercial aviation and military aviation perspective, we deal with uncertainty in our operating space as a matter of our professional actions. Identifying friend from foe is very important to us. And so when we have identified targets and we continue to ignore those due to a stigma or fear of what it could be, that's an opening that our adversaries can take advantage of. 44:55 Ryan Graves: There needs to be a location where this information is centralized for processing and there needs to be a two-way communication loop so the operators on the front end have feedback and can get best practices on how to process information, what to do, and to ensure that their reporting is being listened to. Right now there is not a lot of back and forth. 46:25 Ryan Graves: When we were first experiencing these objects off the eastern seaboard in the 2014 to 2015 time period, anyone that had upgraded their radar systems were seeing these objects. So there was a large number of my colleagues that were detecting these objects off the eastern seaboard. They were further correlating that information with the other onboard sensors. And many of them also had their own eyesightings, as well, of these objects. Now, that was our personal, firsthand experience at the time. Since then, as I've engaged this topic, others have reached out to me to share their experiences both on the military side as well as the commercial aviation side. On the military aviation side, veterans that have recently got out have shared their stories and have expressed how the objects we are seeing in 2014 and 2015 continued all the way to 2019, 2020, and beyond. And so it became a generational issue for naval aviators on the Eastern Seaboard. This was something we were briefing to new students. This is something that was included in the notice to airmen to ensure that there was no accidents. And now with commercial aviators, they are reaching out because they're having somewhat similar experiences as our military brothers and sisters, but they do not have any reporting system that they can send this to. 47:55 Cmdr. David Fravor: It's actually, it's a travesty that we don't have a system to correlate this and actually investigate. You know, so if you took the east coast, there's coastal radars out there that monitor our air defense identification zone. Out to 200 miles, they can track these. So when you see them, they could actually go and pull that data and get maneuvering. And instead of just having the airplanes, there's other data sources out there. And I've talked to other government officials on this. You need a centrally located repository that these reports go to. So if you just stuck it in DOD, you wouldn't get anything out of the Intelligence Committee because they have a tendency not to talk. But if you had a central location where these reports are coming in, not just military, but also commercial aviation, because there's a lot of that going on, especially if you talk to anyone that flies from here to Hawaii, over the Pacific they see odd lights. So I think you need to develop something that allows you a central point to collect the data in order to investigate. 51:20 Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA): Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? David Grusch: Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA): And where? David Grusch: I know the exact locations and those locations were provided to the Inspector General, and some of which to the intelligence committees, I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General 52:15 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Mr. Graves. Again, I'd like to know, how do you know that these were not our aircraft? Ryan Graves: Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area. We would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's zero airspeed over certain pieces of the ground. So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's gonna float downstream. These objects were staying completely stationary in category four hurricane winds. The same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds 1.1-1.2 Mach, and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't -- I don't -- have an explanation for. 55:50 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Mr. Fravor, do you believe that you witnessed an additional object under the water in relation to your encounter? Cmdr. David Fravor: I will say we did not see an object. There was something there to cause the whitewater and when we turned around, it was gone. So there was something there that obviously moved. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Okay, it was not the same object, though, that you were looking at, correct? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, we actually joked that the tic tac was communicating with something when we came back, because the whitewater disappeared. 56:15 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): We were, in another instance, told about the capabilities of jamming when there were some people chasing some of these objects. Did you experience any of that jamming, or interrupting your radar or weapon system? Cmdr. David Fravor: My crew that launched, after we landed, experienced significant jamming to the APG 73 radar, which was what we had on board, which is a mechanically scan, very high end system, prior to APG 79. And yes, it did pretty much everything you could do range, velocity, aspect, and then it hit the lock and the targeting pod is passive. That's when we're able to get the video on. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): I'm about to run out of time, but are you aware of any of our enemies that have that capability? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, no. 57:40 Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): You've identified these as taking place on the East Coast. Is it just on the East Coast where these encounters have been reported? Ryan Graves: No. Since the events initially occurred, I've learned that the objects have been detected, essentially where all Navy operations are being conducted across the world. And that's from the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office reporting. 58:50 Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been sighted by different pilots? And can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is? Ryan Graves: Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes? Ryan Graves: Yes, inside of a clear sphere where the apex or tips of the cube were touching the inside of that sphere. And that was primarily what was being reported when we were able to gain a visual tally of these objects. That occurred over almost eight years, and as far as I know, is still occurring. 59:45 Ryan Graves: I think we need both transparency and the reporting. We have the reporting, but we need to make sure that information can be propagated to commercial aviation as well as the rest of the populace. 1:05:00 Ryan Graves: In the 2003 timeframe, a large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large, 100-yard-sided red square approach the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one of the launch facilities. This object remained for about 45 seconds or so before darting off over the mountains. There was a similar event within 24 hours later in the evening. This was a morning event, I believe, 8:45 in the morning. Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base including some aggressive behaviors. These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off, and this is information that was received through one of the witnesses that have approached me at Americans for Safe Aerospace. 1:06:15 Ryan Graves: I have not seen what they've described. This object was estimated to be almost the size of a football field, and I have not seen anything personally that large. 1:07:05 Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL): With the FAA, to your understanding, pilots that are seeing this, commercial airline pilots, are they receiving cease and desist letters from corporations for coming forward with information in regards to safety for potential air airline passengers? Ryan Graves: I have been made privy to conversations with commercial aviators who have received cease and desist orders. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL): So the American public should know that corporations are putting their own reputations ahead of the safety of the American people. Would you agree with that statement? Ryan Graves: It appears so. 1:08:15 Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): So what about G forces? Let's talk about G forces in those vehicles. Could a human survive those G forces with known technology today? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, not for the acceleration rates that we observed. 1:08:45 Cmdr. David Fravor: So we got within a half mile of the tic tac, which people say that's pretty far, but in airplanes that's actually relatively close. Now it was perfectly white, smooth, no windows, although when we did take the original FLIR video that is out there, when you put it on a big screen it actually had two little objects that came out of the bottom of it. But other than that, no windows, no seams, no nothing. 1:09:05 Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): Mr. Grusch, as a result of your previous government work have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non-human origin craft? David Grusch: Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals. 1:09:40 Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): Do you have knowledge or do you have reason to believe that there are programs in the advanced tech space that are unsanctioned? David Grusch: Yes, I do. Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): Okay. And when you say that they're above congressional oversight, what do you mean? David Grusch: Complicated question. So there's some, I would call it abuse here. So congressional oversight of conventional Special Special Access Programs, and I'll use Title X, so DOD, as an example. So 10 US Code section 119 discusses congressional oversight of SAPS, discusses the Deputy Secretary of Defense's ability to waive congressional reporting. However, the Gang of Eight is at least supposed to be notified if a waived or waived bigoted unacknowledged SAP is created. That's Public Law. Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): I don't want to cut you off, but how does a program like that get funded? David Grusch: I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a closed session, but misappropriation of funds. Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program but it doesn't and it goes to something else? David Grusch: Yes, have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL): Do you think US corporations are overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the US government and that additional money is going to programs? David Grusch: Correct, through something called IRAD. 1:12:45 Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-VA): Mr. Grusch, in your sworn testimony you state that the United States government has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP related artifacts. You go so far as to state that the US is in possession of "non human spacecraft" and that some of these artifacts have circulated with defense contractors. Several other former military and intelligence officials have come forward with similar allegations albeit in non-public setting. However, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of AARO, previously testified before Congress that there has been and I quote, "no credible evidence" thus far of extraterrestrial act activity or "off world technology" brought to the attention of the office. To your knowledge, is that statement correct? David Grusch: It's not accurate. I believe Dr. Kirkpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to AARO thus far. A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed and I know what they provided Dr. Kirkpatrick and their team. I was able to evaluate -- Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-VA): Okay, I need to go on. David Grusch: Sure. 1:21:25 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Has the US government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial or otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence? And if so, when do you think this first occurred? David Grusch: I like to use the term non-human, I don't like to denote origin, it keeps the aperture open scientifically. Certainly, like I've just discussed publicly, previously, the 1930s. 1:21:45 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Okay, can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct, first-hand knowledge and access to some of these crash retrieval programs and maybe which facilities, military bases that the recovered material would be in? And I know a lot of Congress talked about, we're gonna go to area 51. And, you know, there's nothing there anymore anyway, it's just you know, we move like a glacier. And as soon as we announce it, I'm sure the moving vans would pull up, but please. David Grusch: I can't discuss that publicly. But I did provide that information both to the Intel committees and the Inspector General. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): And we could get that in the SCIF, if we were allowed to get in a SCIF with you? Would that be probably what you would think? David Grusch: Sure, if you had the appropriate accesses, yeah. 1:22:30 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): What Special Access Programs cover this information? And how is it possible that they have evaded oversight for so long? David Grusch: I do know the names, once again, I can't discuss that publicly. And how they've evaded oversight in a closed setting I could tell you this specific tradecraft used. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Alright. 1:22:50 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): When did you think those programs began and who authorized them? David Grusch: I do know a lot of that information, but that's something I can't discuss publicly because of sensitivities Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Alright. 1:24:05 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Title 10 and title 50 authorization, they seem to say they're inefficient. So who gets to decide this, in your opinion, in the past? David Grusch: It's a group of career senior executive officials. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Okay. Are they government officials? David Grusch: Both in and out of government and that's about as far I'll go there. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Well, that leads to my next question, which private corporations are directly involved in this program? How much taxpayer money has been invested in these programs? David Grusch: Yeah, I don't know the specific metrics towards the end of your question. The specific corporations I did provide to the committees in specific divisions, and I spent 11 and a half hours with both Intel committees. 1:25:30 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Has there been an active US government disinformation campaign to deny the existence of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena? And if so, why? David Grusch: I can't go beyond what I've already exposed publicly about that. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Okay, I've been told to ask you what that is and how to get it in the record. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL): What have you stated publicly in your interviews, for the Congressional Record? David Grusch: If you reference my NewsNation interview, I talk about a multi-decade campaign to disenfranchise public interest basically. 1:28:00 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): When it comes to notification that you had mentioned about IRAD programs, we have seen defense contractors abuse their contracts before through this committee. I have seen it personally, and I have also seen the notification requirements to Congress abused. I am wondering, one of the loopholes that we see in the law is that there is, at least from my vantage point, depending on what we're seeing, is that there are no actual definitions or requirements for notification, are there? What methods of notification did you observe? When they say they notified Congress, how did they do that? Do you have insight into that? David Grusch: For certain IRAD activities....I can only think of ones conventional in nature. Sometimes they flow through certain out of say SAP programs that have cognisant authority over the Air Force or something. And those are congressionally reported compartments, but IRAD is literally internal to the contractor. So as long as it's money, either profits, private investment, etc, they can do whatever they want. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): To put a finer point on it, when there is a requirement for any agency or company to notify Congress, do they contact the chairman of a committee, do they get them on the phone specifically, is this through an email to hypothetically a dead email box? David Grusch: A lot of it comes through what they call the PPR, Periodic Program Review process. If it's a SAP or Controlled Access Program equity, and then those go to the specific committees. 1:30:40 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): For the record, if you were me, where would you look? Titles, programs, departments, regions? If you could just name anything. And I put that as an open question to the three of you. David Grusch: I'd be happy to give you that in a closed environment. I can tell you specifically. 1:35:40 Cmdr. David Fravor: Things are over-classified. I know for a fact the video or the pictures that came out in the 2020 report that had the stuff off the east coast, they were taken with an iPhone, off the east coast. A buddy of mine was one of the senior people there and he said they originally classified a TSS CI, and my question to him was what's TSS CI about these? They're an iPhone, right, literally off the vacates, that's not TSS CI. So they're over classified, and as soon as they do that, they go into the vault, and then you all have to look for them. 1:37:20 Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO): Has any of the activity been aggressive, been hostile in your reports? David Grusch: I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured. Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO): By UAPs, or by people within the federal government? So there has been activity by alien or non-human technology and or beings that has caused harm to humans? David Grusch: I can't get into the specifics in an open environment, but at least the activity that I personally witnessed, and I have to be very careful here, because they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft, right. So what I personally witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing. 1:38:20 Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO): You've said that the US has intact spacecraft. You said that the government has alien bodies or alien species. Have you seen the spacecraft? David Grusch: I have to be careful to describe what I've seen firsthand and not in this environment. But I could answer that question behind closed doors. Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO): Have you seen any of the bodies? David Grusch: That's something I've not witnessed myself. 1:40:45 Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO): These aircraft, have they been identified that they are being produced by domestic military contractors? Is there any evidence that that's what's being recovered? David Grusch: Not to my knowledge. Plus the recoveries predate a lot of our advanced programs. 1:48:05 David Grusch: I've actually never seen anything personal, believe it or not. 1:51:00 Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC): If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? David Grusch: As I've stated publicly already in my NewsNation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries. 1:51:15 Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC): Were they human or non human biologics? David Grusch: Non human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC): And was this documentary evidence video, photos, eyewitness like how would that be determined? David Grusch: The specific documentation, I would have to talk to you in a SCIF about that. 1:53:10 Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Commander Fravor, we've all seen the floating tic tac video that you engage with on November 14, 2004. Can you briefly talk about why you were off the coast of San Diego that day? Cmdr. David Fravor: Yeah, we were at a work up with all the battle groups. So we integrate the ships with the carrier, the airway with the carrier and we start working. So we were doing an air-to-air defense to hone not only our skills, but those of the USS Princeton, and when they had been tracking him for two weeks. The problem was, there were never manned aircraft airborne when they were tracking them. And this was the first day and unfortunately, we were the ones airborne and went and saw it. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Do you remember the weather that day? It was a cloudy or windy or anything out of the ordinary on the Pacific coast. Cmdr. David Fravor: If you're familiar with San Diego, it was a perfect day. Light winds, no whitecaps, clear skies, not a cloud. For flying, it was the best. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Now, is it true that you saw, in your words, a 40 foot flying tic tac shaped object? Cmdr. David Fravor: That's correct. Or for some people that can't know what a Tic Tac is, it's a giant flying propane tank. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Did this object come up on radar or interfere with your radar or the USS Princeton? Cmdr. David Fravor: The Princeton tracked it, the Nimitz tracked it, the E2 tracked it. We never saw it on our radars, our fire control radars never picked it up. The other airplane that took the video did get it on a radar as soon as it tried to lock in to jam the radar, spit the lock and he's rapidly switched over to the targeting pod which you can do in the F/A 18 Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): From what you saw that day and what you've seen on video. Did you see any source of propulsion from the flying object including on any potential thermal scans from your aircraft? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, there is none. There is no IR plume coming out. And Chad who took the video went through all the EO, which is black and white TV and the IR modes, and there's no visible signs of reflection. It's just sitting in space at 20,000 feet. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): In your career. Have you ever seen a propulsion system that creates no thermal exhaust? Cmdr. David Fravor: No. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Can you describe how the aircraft maneuvered? Cmdr. David Fravor: Abruptly, very determinant. It knew exactly what it was doing. It was aware of our presence. And it had acceleration rates, I mean, it went from zero to matching our speed and no time at all. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Now if the fastest plane on Earth was trained to do these maneuvers that you saw, would it be capable of doing that? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, not even close Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Just to confirm, this object had no wings, correct? Cmdr. David Fravor: No wings. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): Now the aircraft that you were flying, was it armed? Cmdr. David Fravor: No, never felt threatened at all. Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY): If the aircraft was armed, do you believe that your aircraft or any aircraft in possession of the United States could have shot the tic tac down? Cmdr. David Fravor: I'd say no. Just on the performance, it would have just left in a split second. 1:58:10 Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN): Is there any indication that these UAPs could be essentially collecting reconnaissance information? Mr. Graves? Ryan Graves: Yes. Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN): Mr. Grusch? David Grusch: Fair assessment. Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN): Mr. Fravor? Cmdr. David Fravor: Very possible. 1:59:05 Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN): Mr. Graves and Fravor, in the event that your encounters had become hostile, would you have had the capability to defend yourself, your crew, your aircraft? Ryan Graves: Absolutely not. Cmdr. David Fravor: No. 2:00:55 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): I might have asked this before, but I want to make sure. Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who's possibly been injured working on legacy UAP reverse engineering? David Grusch: Yes. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Okay. How were they injured? Was it something like a radioactive type situation or something we didn't understand? I've heard people talk about Havana syndrome type incidences. What what was your recollection of that? David Grusch: I can't get into specifics, but you could imagine assessing an unknown unknown, there's a lot of potentialities you can't fully prepare for. 2:02:10 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Are you aware of any individuals that are participating in reverse engineering programs for non terrestrial craft? David Grusch: Personally, yes. Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Do you know any that would be willing to testify if there were protections for them? David Grusch: Certainly closed door, and assurances that breaking their NDA, they're not going to get administratively punished. 2:03:45 Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL): Referring to your news nation interview, you had referenced specific treaties between governments. Article III of the nuclear arms treaty with Russia identifies UAPs. It specifically mentions them. To your knowledge. Are there safety measures in place with foreign governments or other superpowers to avoid an escalatory situation in the event that a UAP malevolent event occurs? David Grusch: Yeah, you're referring to an actual public treaty in the UN register. It's funny you mentioned that, the agreement on measures to reduce the risk of outbreak of a nuclear war signed in 1971, unclassified treaty publicly available. And if you cite the George Washington University national security archives, you will find the declassified, in 2013, specific provisions in this specific Red Line Flass message traffic with the specific codes pursuant to Article Three and also situation two, which is in the the previously classified NSA archive. What I would recommend and I tried to get access, but I got a wall of silence at the White House, was the specific incidents when those message traffic was used, I think some scholarship on that would open the door to a further investigation using those publicly available information. 2:05:20 David Grusch: I have concerns, based on the interviews I conducted under my official duties, of potential violations of the Federal Acquisition Regulations, the FAR. 2:06:10 Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): What was your general attitude or perspective on the UFO discussion before that happened? Cmdr. David Fravor: I never felt that we were alone with all the planets out there. But I wasn't a UFO person. I wasn't, I wasn't watching History Channel and MUFON and all that. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): And have you had any experiences or encounters since that happened? Cmdr. David Fravor: No. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): And so, have you formed any general conclusions about what you think you experienced then? Cmdr. David Fravor: Yes, I think what we experienced was, like I said, well beyond the material science and the capabilities that we had at the time, that we have currently, or that we're going to have in the next 10 to 20 years. 2:06:55 Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): You've been able to answer in great detail on certain questions, and then other things you say you're not able to respond to. Can you just explain where you're drawing the line? What's the basis for that? David Grusch: Yeah, based on my DOPSR security review and what they've determined that is unclassified. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): I see, so you're answering any questions that just call upon your knowledge of unclassified questions, but anything that relates to classified matters you're not commenting on in this context? David Grusch: In an open session, but happy to participate in a closed session at the right level. 2:08:15 Ryan Graves: Certainly I think the most vivid sighting of that would have been near mid air that we had at the entrance to our working area. One of these objects was completely stationary at the exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but also at altitude. So it was right where all the jets are going, essentially, on the Eastern Seaboard. The two aircraft flew within about 50 feet of the object and that was a very close visual sighting. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): And you were in one of the aircraft. Ryan Graves: I was not. I was there when the pilot landed. He canceled the mission after. I was there. He was in the ready room with all his gear on with his mouth open. And I asked him what the problem was and he said he almost hit one of those darn things. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): He said he was 50 feet away from it? Ryan Graves: Yes, sir. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): And his description of the object was consistent with the description you gave us before? Ryan Graves: A dark gray or black cube inside of a clear sphere. Rep. Jaime Raskin (D-MD): Inside of a clear sphere. With no self evident propulsion system. Ryan Graves:: No wings, no IR energy coming off of the vehicle, nothing tethering it to the ground. And that was primarily what we're experiencing out there. April 19, 2023 Senate Committee on Armed Services Witnesses: , Director, All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office Clips 2:00:50 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: The AARO team of more than three dozen experts is organized around four functional areas: operations, scientific research, integrated analysis, and strategic communications. 2:01:25 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: Consistent with legislative direction, AARO is also carefully reviewing and researching the US government's UAP-related historical record. 2:02:05 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: AARO is the culmination of decades of DOD, intelligence community, and congressionally directed efforts to successfully resolve UAP encountered first and foremost by US military personnel, specifically navy and air force pilots. 2:03:15 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: However, it would be naive to believe that the resolution of all UAP can be solely accomplished by the DOD and IC alone. We will need to prioritize collection and leverage authorities for monitoring all domains within the continental United States. AARO's ultimate success will require partnerships with the inner agency, industry partners, academia and the scientific community, as well as the public. 2:04:15 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: I want to underscore today that only a very small percentage of UAP reports display signatures that could reasonably be described as anomalous. The majority of unidentified objects reported to AARO demonstrate mundane characteristics of balloons, unmanned aerial systems, clutter, natural phenomena, or other readily explainable sources. While a large number of cases in our holdings remain technically unresolved, this is primarily due to a lack of data associated with those cases. Without sufficient data, we are unable to reach defendable conclusions that meet the high scientific standards we set for resolution, and I will not close a case that I cannot defend the conclusions of. 2:06:00 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: AARO is a member of the department's support to the administration's Tiger Team effort to deal with stratospheric objects such as the PRC high altitude balloon. When previously unknown objects are successfully identified, it is AARO's role to quickly and efficiently hand off such readily explainable objects to the intelligence, law enforcement, or operational safety communities for further analysis and appropriate action. In other words, AARO's mission is to turn UAP into SEP, Somebody Else's Problem. 2:07:30 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: I should also state clearly for the record that in our research, AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, offworld technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics. In the event sufficient scientific data were ever obtained that a UAP encountered can only be explained by extraterrestrial origin, we are committed to working with our interagency partners at NASA to appropriately inform [the] U.S. government's leadership of its findings. For those few cases that have leaked to the public previously and subsequently commented on by the US government, I encourage those who hold alternative theories or views to submit your research to credible peer reviewed scientific journals. AARO is working very hard to do the same. That is how science works, not by blog or social media. 2:13:20 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: How are we going to get more data? We are working with the joint staff to issue guidance to all the services and commands that will then establish what are the reporting requirements, the timeliness, and all of the data that is required to be delivered to us and retained from all of the associated sensors. That historically hasn't been the case and it's been happenstance that data has been collected. 2:17:20 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: As of this week we are tracking over a total of 650 cases. 2:17:45 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: Let me walk everyone through what our analytic process looks like. We have essentially a five step process. We get our cases in with all the data, we create a case for that event. My team does a preliminary scrub of all of those cases as they come in, just to sort out, do we have any information that says this is in one of those likely categories? It's likely a balloon, it's likely a bird, it's likely some other object, or we don't know. Then we prioritize those based off of where they are. Are they attached to a national security area? Does it show some anomalous phenomenology that is of interest? If it's just a spherical thing that's floating around with the wind and it has no payload on it, that's going to be less important than something that has a payload on it, which will be less important than something that's maneuvering. So there's sort of a hierarchy of just binning the priorities, because we can't do all of them at once. Once we do that and we prioritize them, we take that package of data in that case and I have set up two teams, think of this as a Red Team Blue Team, or competitive analysis. I have an intelligence community team made up of intelligence analysts and I have an S&T team made up of scientists and engineers, and the people that actually build a lot of these sensors are physicists, because you know, if you're a physicist, you can do anything. But they're not associated with the intel community, they're not intel officers. So they they look at this through the lens of the sensor, of what the data says. We give that package to both teams. The intelligence community is going to look at it through the lens of the intelligence record, and what they assess, and their intel tradecraft, which they have very specific rules and regulations on how they do that. The scientific community, the technical community is going to look at it through the lens of "What is the data telling me? What is the sensor doing? What would I expect a sensor response to be?" and back that out. Those two groups give us their answers. We then adjudicate. If they agree, then I am more likely to close that case, if they agree on what it is. If they disagree, we will have an adjudication. We'll bring them together, we'll take a look at the differences, we'll adjudicate. Why do you say one thing and you say another? We will then come to a case recommendation that will get written up by my team. That then goes to a Senior Technical Advisory Group, which is outside of all of those people, made up of senior technical folks and intel analysts and operators retired out of the community. And they essentially peer review what that case recommendation is. They write their recommendations, that comes back to me, I review it, we make a determination, and I'll sign off one way or the other, and then that will go out as the case determination. Once we have an approved web portal to hang the unclassified stuff, we will downgrade and declassify things and put it out there. In the meantime, we're putting a lot of these on our classified web portal where we can then collaborate with the rest of the community so they can see what's going on. In a nutshell, that is the process. 2:27:10 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: There are emerging capabilities out there that in many instances, Russia and China, China in particular, are on par or ahead of us in some areas. So previously, I used to be the Defense Department's intelligence officer for science and technical intelligence. That was our job to look for, what does all that look like? And then my last several years of course, in Space Command, doing space. The adversary is not waiting. They are advancing and they're advancing quickly. If I were to put on some of my old hats, I would tell you, they are less risk averse at technical advancement than we are. They are just willing to try things and see if it works. Are there capabilities that could be employed against us in both an ISR and a weapons fashion? Absolutely. Do I have evidence that they're doing it in these cases? No, but I have concerning indicators. 2:43:45 Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick: So the vision is, at one point, at some point in the future, you should not need an AARO. If I'm successful in what I'm doing, we should be able to normalize everything that we're doing into existing processes, functions, agencies and organizations, and make that part of their mission and their role. Right now the niche that we form is really going after the unknowns. I think you articulated it early on, this is a hunt mission for what might somebody be doing in our backyard that we don't know about? That is what we are doing, but at some point, we should be able to normalize that. That's why it's so important the work we're doing with joint staff to normalize that into DoD policy and guidance. We are bringing in all of our interagency partners. So NASA is providing a liaison for us, I have FBI liaison, I have OSI liaison, I have service liaisons, half of my staff come from the [Intelligence Community], half of my staff come from other scientific and technical backgrounds, I have DOE. So what we're trying to do is ensure, again, as I make UAP into SEP they get handed off to the people that that is their mission to go do, so that we aren't duplicating that. I'm not going to go chase the Chinese high altitude balloon, for example. That's not my job. It's not an unknown, and it's not anomalous anymore. Now it goes over to them. May 17, 2022 House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation Witnesses: , Deputy Director, Office of Naval Intelligence , Under Secretary of Defense Intelligence and Security, Department of Defense Clips 10:00 Ronald Moultrie: The NDAA for fiscal year 2022 has helped us to establish a dedicated office to oversee processes and procedures for the timely collection, processing, analysis, and reporting of UAP related data. 10:15 Ronald Moultrie: What are UAP? Put simply, UAP are airborne objects that, when encountered, cannot be immediately identified. 10:25 Ronald Moultrie: It is the department's contention that by combining appropriately structured, collected data with rigorous scientific analysis, any object that we encounter can likely be isolated, characterized, identified and if necessary, mitigated. 10:40 Ronald Moultrie: We know that our service members have encountered unidentified aerial phenomenon. And because UAPs pose potential flight safety and general security risks, we are committed to a focused effort to determine their origins. Our effort will include the thorough examination of adversarial platforms and potential breakthrough technologies, US government or commercial platforms, Allied or partner systems, and other natural phenomena. 11:15 Ronald Moultrie: We also understand that there has been a cultural stigma surrounding UAP. Our goal is to eliminate the stigma by fully incorporating our operators and mission personnel into a standardized data gathering process. We believe that making UAP reporting a mission imperative will be instrumental to the effort's success. 11:45 Ronald Moultrie: To optimize the department's UAP work, we are establishing an office within the Office of the Secretary of Defense. That office's function is clear: to facilitate the identification of previously unknown or unidentified airborne objects in a methodical, logical, and standardized manner. 13:50 Scott Bray: Since the early 2000s, we have seen an increasing number of unauthorized and or unidentified aircraft or objects in military controlled training areas and training ranges and other designated airspace. Reports of sightings are frequent and continuing. We attribute this increase in reporting to a number of factors, including our work to destigmatize reporting, an increase in the number of new systems such as quad copters and unmanned aerial systems that are in our airspace, identification of what we can classify as clutter (mylar balloons and other types of of air trash), and improvements in the capabilities of our various sensors to detect things in our airspace. 14:50 Scott Bray: The basic issues, then and now, are twofold. First, incursions in our training ranges by unidentified objects represent serious hazards to safety of flight. In every aspect of naval aviation, safety of our air crews is paramount. Second, intrusions by unknown aircraft or objects pose potential threats to the security of our operations. Our aviators train as they would fight, so any intrusions that may compromise the security of our operations by revealing our capabilities, our tactics, techniques or procedures are of great concern to the Navy and Department of Defense. 16:40 Scott Bray: The direct result of those efforts has been increased reporting with increased opportunities to focus a number of sensors on any objects. The message is now clear: if you see something, you need to report it. And the message has been received. 18:55 Scott Bray: As detailed in the ODNI report, if and when individual UAP incidents are resolved, they likely fall into one of five potential explanatory categories: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, US government or US industry developmental programs, foreign adversary systems, or another bin that allows for a holding bin of difficult cases, and for the possibility of surprise and potential scientific discovery. 22:20 Scott Bray: If UAP do indeed represent a potential threat to our security then the capabilities, systems, processes and sources we use to observe, record, study, or analyze these phenomena need to be classified at appropriate levels. We do not want, we do not want potential adversaries to know exactly what we're able to see or understand or how we come to the conclusions we make. Therefore, public disclosures must be carefully considered on a case by case basis. 23:35 Rep André Carson (D-IN): This is the third version of this task force and, to be frank, one of Congress's concerns is that the executive branch, in administrations of both parties, has been sweeping concerns about UAPs under the rug by focusing on events that can be explained and avoiding events that cannot be explained. What can you say to give the American people confidence that you aren't just focusing our attention on low hanging fruit with easy explanations? Ronald Moultrie: Congressman, I'll start and then Mr. Bray, please feel free to weigh in. So the way that we're approaching it is with a more thorough, standardized methodology than what we have in the past. First and foremost, the Secretary Defense is chartering this effort, this is not someone lower in the Department of Defense, and he is assigned that task to the Office of Secretary of Defense's Under Secretary for Intelligence Security, that's me, because I'm responsible for looking at intelligence matters, I'm responsible for security matters, and this is potentially both. So we're concerning ourselves with the safety of our personnel, the safety of our installations and bases. There's no other higher power than what we have in actually getting after this. And as you have stated, we have been assigned that task to actually stand up an office, the AOIMSG, which I believe the name server will likely change, but we have moved forward in terms of moving to establish that office. We have, as of this week, picked the director for that effort, a very established and accomplished individual. 42:00 Scott Bray: I would say that we're not aware of any adversary that can move an object without discernible means of propulsion. The question then becomes, in many of these cases where we don't have a discernible means of propulsion in the data that we have, in some cases, there are likely sensor artifacts that that may be hiding some of that, there's certainly some degree of something that looks like signature management that we have seen from some of these UAP. But I would caution, I would simply say that there are a number of other events in which we do not have an explanation. There are a small handful in which there are flight characteristics or signature management that we can't explain with the data that we have. 43:40 Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA): With respect to the second two videos showing the small triangles, the hypothesis is that those are commercial drones that because of the use of night vision goggles appear like triangles, is that the operating assessment? Scott Bray: Some type of drone, some type of unmanned aerial system, and it is simply that that light source resolves itself through the night vision goggles onto the SLR camera as a triangle. 47:55 Scott Bray: Allies have seen these, China has established its own version of the UAP task force. So clearly a number of countries have observations of things in the airspace that they can identify. Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-OH): And do we share data with some, with all? Are they sharing with us? Scott Bray: We share data with some and some share data with us. Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-OH): But not necessarily all that have publicly reported something? Scott Bray: That's correct. 52:25 Scott Bray: When I say we can't explain, I mean, exactly as you describe there, that there's a lot of information, like the video that we showed, in which there's simply too little data to create a reasonable explanation. There are a small handful of cases in which we have more data that our analysis simply hasn't been able to fully pull together a picture of what happened. Those are the cases where we talked about where we see some indications of flight characteristics or signature management that are not what we had expected. When it comes to material that we have, we have no material. We have detected no emanations within the UAP task force that would suggest it's anything non-terrestrial in origin. 59:35 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): There have been no collisions between any US assets and one of these UAPs, correct? Scott Bray: We have not had a collision, we've had at least 11 near misses though. 59:55 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And there's been no attempt, there's no communications, or any kind of communication signals that emanate from those objects that we've detected, correct? Scott Bray: That's correct. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And have we attempted to communicate with those objects? Scott Bray: No. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): So we don't we don't even put out an alert saying, you know, "U.S., identify yourself, you are within our flight path," or something like that? Scott Bray: We haven't said anything like that. We've not put anything out like that, generally speaking. For example, in the video that we showed earlier, it appears to be something that is unmanned, appears to be something that may or may not be in controlled flight, and so we've not attempted any communication with that. 1:00:55 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And I assume we've never discharged any armaments against a UAP, correct? Scott Bray: That's correct. 1:01:05 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): How about wreckage? Have we come across any wreckage of any kind of object that has now been examined by you? Scott Bray: The UAP task force doesn't have any wreckage that isn't explainable, that isn't consistent with being of terrestrial origin. 1:01:20 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Do we have any sensors underwater to detect on submerged UAPs, anything that is in the ocean or in the seas? Ronald Moultrie: So I think that would be more properly addressed in a closed session. 1:05:30 Ronald Moultrie: So one of the concerns that we have is that there are a lot of individuals and groups that are putting information out there that that could be considered to be somewhat self serving. We're trying to do what's in the best interests of, one, the Department of Defense, and then two, what's in the best interest of the public, to ensure that we can put factually based information back into the mainstream and back into the bloodstream of the reporting media that we have, so people understand what's there. It's important because we are attempting, as this hearing has drawn out to understand, one, what may just be natural phenomenon, two, what may be sensor phenomenology or things that were happening with sensors, three, what may be legitimate counterintelligence threats to places that we have or bases or installations, or security threats to our platforms. And anything that diverts us off of what we have with the resources that have been allocated to us, sends us off in the spurious chases and hunts that are just not helpful. They also contribute to the undermining of the confidence that the Congress and the American people have that we are trying to get to the root cause of what's happening here, report on that, and then feed that back into our national security apparatus so we are able to protect the American people and our allies. So it is harmful, it is hurtful, but hopefully, if we get more information out there, w

CW: Animal Death On June 5, 2023, The Debrief published an article titled “Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non Human Origins.” Written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, the article details claims brought forth by whistleblower David Grusch, a former Air Force officer and intelligence official, concerning documents he had been shown. And what was in these documents? Evidence of a crash recovery program responsible for retrieving alien spaceships that had embedded themselves into Earth's soil. In subsequent interviews, Grusch claimed that the Pope informed the American Army of a UFO that had crashed in Italy in the mid 1940s, that we've recovered alien bodies, and… that aliens have killed humans! Here's the thing… This is all old hat, and it was Grusch's claims that prompted the beginning of this series. All UFO conspiracies can be traced back to the 1980s. Before we get there, however, we need to take a trip back to 1967, to the mutilation heard round the world. The death of Lady, Nellie Lewis' prize horse, garnered national press attention, forever linking the phenomenon of livestock mutilation to UFOs. Special thanks to Jay Shenk, Darcy Staniforth (Cinema Sentries, Mysteries Decoded Podcast) and Emily Louise (Weird Reads with Emily Louise) Sources: Stalking the Herd: Unraveling the Cattle Mutilation Mystery by Christopher O'Brien “How the Death of 6,000 Sheep Spurred the American Debate on Chemical Weapons” by Lorraine Boissoneault Dr. John H. Altshuler entry on Northern Ontario UFO Research & Study website “After 50 years, Snippy still a mystery” by Sylvia Lobato - Alamosa News Theme song: "Ufo" by Floats, available on Soundcloud, iTunes and Spotify Logo designed by Megan Lagerberg T-Shirt Designs by The Great Desdymona Welcome UFO People Prints Are Now Available!  Check out ourstrangeskies.com for all things related to the podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week the I am reading from Nicole Strickland's book 'The Afterlife Chronicles: Exploring the Connection Between Life, Death and Beyond' and Mike Damante's book 'Above the Fold and the Fringe: How UAPs Became Mainstream News'. NicoleWhat happens to us when we die? Does the human soul survive death? How can we communicate with loved ones in the spirit world? Are those residing beyond the veil in some faraway land or are they close by and within our reach? These are age-old questions permeating our collective consciousness. These queries not only entice humanity to understand the hereafter but also to connect with those dwelling within it.We're in a time of transition where individuals are embracing the notion of life after death.Each of the topics and stories presented in The Afterlife Chronicles, harmoniously unite as a gateway to the connective bridge between mortality and the afterlife. Crafted by highly respected afterlife and paranormal researcher Nicole Strickland, this heartfelt book reads like a love letter to the hereafter and provides the motivation, purpose, and know-how to further understand the profound relationship between both worlds.In this book, you'll read about:• Recognizing the signs of and reasons why the spirit world reaches out to the living and vice versa• The afterlife according to various cultures• The influence of the Spiritualist movement on modern-day spirit communication and paranormal research• The role of intuition and mind/body/spirit in connecting with the afterlife• Examining the profound connectedness between the living and spirit worlds• Near-death experiences and the keys to understanding life after death• Theories on the survival of human consciousness after death• Common misconceptions of the afterlife• Traditional and alternative methods to communicate with the spirit world• The power of spirit guides in fostering the connection between mortality and the afterlife• How moving through grief and loss can help you further connect with departed loved onesFinally, the many contributors who opted to share their accounts and stories with the spirit world and beyond will further entice you to learn more about the deeply interwoven union between mortality and those across the veil on the other side.Perhaps, you've had a heartfelt experience with a loved one in the afterlife and don't know where to turn. Look no further as The Afterlife Chronicles will encourage you to openly share your story and in turn, will motivate others to share theirs. Similar to a domino effect, more people will become aware of and learn more about the beautiful rapport between both worlds.If you're curious about the enigmatic wonders of the afterlife, you'll be enchanted by The Afterlife Chronicles: Exploring the Connection between Life, Death, and Beyond.Beyond, where physical death is not an end, but a beginning.BioNicole Strickland is a well-respected afterlife & paranormal researcher, author, podcaster, and speaker from San Diego, California. She is the founder, director, and case manager of the San Diego Paranormal Research Society (SDPRS). Nicole is the Ghost Research Society's California Coordinator and is a consultant to other investigative teams. Since 2011, she has co-hosted the “Spirits of the Adobe” tours at the iconic Rancho Buena Vista Adobe. Blending her love of history, paranormal studies, and writing, Nicole has written several books, including Field Guide to Southern California Hauntings, The Haunted Queen of the Seas: The Living Legend of the RMS Queen Mary, Spirited Queen Mary: Her Haunted Legend, RMS Queen Mary: Voices from Her Voyages, San Diego's Most Haunted: The Historical Legacy and Paranormal Marvels of America's Finest City, Spirits of Rancho Buena Vista Adobe, Max and Kayli: Two Remarkable Felines Forever Imprinted on My Heart and The Afterlife Chronicles: Exploring the Connection Between Life, Death, and Beyond. She is also a writer and contributor to Paranormal Underground Magazine.Nicole gives presentations about a variety of paranormal topics at conferences, events, and libraries. She has presented at some of the best-known conventions, such as the Oregon Ghost Conference, Port Gamble Ghost Conference, Troy Taylor's Haunted America Conference, Maritime Ghost Conference of San Diego, Preston Castle Benefit Paracon, Ghost Fest IV aboard the Queen Mary, and Strange Escapes, among others. She is represented non-exclusively by RK Entertainment. Nicole has been featured in a myriad of media outlets discussing her work as a paranormal researcher. These include several San Diego newspapers, magazines, and news programs, such as Good Morning San Diego, San Diego Living, KPBS Evening Edition, and Channel 8 Evening Edition. Nicole also appeared in the documentary All Around Us: Inside the Life of Psychic Medium Seth Michael; she has interviewed for nationally televised programs, including My Ghost Story: Caught on Camera, Travel Channel's Ghost Stories, and Famously Afraid. She has appeared on hundreds of radio shows and podcasts. Along with Todd Bates, Nicole co-hosts Haunted Voices Radio, one of the longest-running radio programs featuring a plethora of guests from all areas of the supernatural. In late 2020, she debuted her radio show The Afterlife Chronicles, which was selected by Feedspot as one of the top 25 programs on the afterlife. Nicole holds a B.A. degree from the University of Arizona (go Wildcats!) and an M.S. degree from National University. You can visit her websites at http://www.authornicolestrickland.com http://www.sandiegoparanormalresearch.com Amazon link http://rb.gy/kkui7Mike DamanteAbove the Fold and the Fringe: How UAPs Became Mainstream News goes behind the scenes of the infamous New York Times article, and examines the history of UAPs in news media, and explores the significance of the impact these stories can and have had. With interviews from the journalists behind some of the biggest UAP stories like the New York Times Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, POLITICO's Bryan Bender, KLAS-TV's George Knapp, Popular Mechanics Tim McMillan, and others, learn how the news industry works, and get insight into some of the biggest paranormal stories ever.This book also looks at some of the important figures who have culturally and historically changed the conversation on UAPs for the better with exclusive interviews with Jacques Vallee, Luis Elizondo, Whitley Strieber, Tom DeLonge, William Shatner, Jeffrey Kripal, Colm Kelleher,and military witnesses.Mike Damante is an author, journalist and award-winning educator. He is the author of the 2021 coffee table book “Hey Suburbia: A Guide To The Emo/Pop-Punk Rise.” In 2023, his book “Above the Fold and the Fringe: How UAPs Became Mainstream News” was published. Damante is the author of the non-fiction trilogy of the paranormal “Punk rock and UFOs” series “Punk rock and UFOs: Stranger Than Fiction," “Punk rock and UFOs: True Believers" and "Punk Rock and UFOs: Cryptozoology Meets Anarchy." In 2019 he released his first YA fiction novel “Pumpkin Spice and Nothing Nice.” Damante previously worked for the Houston Chronicle as a copy editor, writer, reporter and web producer, and has interviewed bands and musicians like blink-182, the Descendents, Bad Religion, Taking Back Sunday, Tom DeLonge,/ Angels & Airwaves, Donald Glover, Tegan and Sara, Aerosmith, Alkaline Trio, the Get Up Kids, AFI, B.o.B and countless others. He's covered large events like the X-Games, Warped Tour, Free Press Summerfest, Wizard World Comic Con, San Diego Comic Con, NBA All-Star weekend, and has written for their 29-95, Peep, Guy Stuff, MIKED, and more Hearst blogs. Damante also served as the co-beat writer for the American Hockey League's Houston Aeros during the 2012-2013 season for chron.com. He's interviewed former government officials like Luis Elizondo, Nimitz encounter witnesses Kevin Day and Sean Cahill, New York Times journalists Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, computer scientist Jacques Vallee, authors Whitley Strieber, Diana Pasulka, Peter Levenda, William Shatner, Tom DeLonge, Professor Jeffrey Kripal, military witnesses of UAP events, and many more big names. He's appeared on the New York Times, USA Today, FOX 26 Houston, Spectrum News Austin, Coast To Coast AM, Den of Geek, Hi My Name Is Mark, the Mike Herrera podcast, and countless other TV, radio and podcast programs. Amazon http://rb.gy/bi6vlhttps://www.punkrockandufos.com/https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/https://www.patreon.com/pastlivespodcast

In December 2017, the New York Times published a ground-breaking article titled “Glowing Auras and Black Money: The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program.” The report was noteworthy not only for what it brought to light about the earnest government/military study of the UAP phenomenon but also that such a storied and seemingly no-nonsense newspaper like the New York Times finally took the subject seriously as well. We followed up in January 2018 with a two-part episode called “Imminent Disclosure?”  The question mark on the title indicated we weren't sure when FULL disclosure would arrive, but drips and drops of astounding revelations were indeed on the horizon. Five and a half years later, since that watershed coverage made a splash, two of its original journalists, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean, have done it again. On June 5th, 2003, they published an article about a former intelligence official and whistleblower named David Grusch. That article is called “Intelligence Officials Say US Has Retrieved Craft of Non-human Origin.” The title alone should speak to the world-changing implications. Because this story needed daylight quickly, it was published on an independent news website called TheDebrief.org. As it turns out, our good friend and colleague, Micah Hanks, also co-founded that news organization. Thanks to Micah, we were fortunate to be granted an interview with Ralph Blumenthal to get the story behind the story. Following our discussion, we'll hear from Micah, the Editor in Chief at The Debrief, and Chrissy Newton, their head of Media Relations and a long-time podcaster herself, to consider where we all go from here. Visit our website for a lot more information on this episode.

On episode 323 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, we welcome back Mike Damante to discuss his new book, Above the Fold and the Fringe: How UAPs Became Mainstream News, which goes behind the scenes of the infamous 2017 New York Times article and examines the history of UAPs in news media. Damante also explores the significant impact these stories have had on the public. With interviews from the journalists behind some of the biggest UAP stories like the New York Times' Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, POLITICO's Bryan Bender, KLAS-TV's George Knapp, Popular Mechanics Tim McMillan, and others, Damante navigates how the news industry works and provides insight into some of the biggest UAP stories ever to be broken. Today, Damante breaks down the new world of UFO journalism, using as an example the latest bombshell article published by The Debrief, concerning an Intelligence official who claims the U.S. is in possession of "Non-Human" craft of "Unknown Origins."Buy the book here: https://a.co/d/5JG6empOrder Ryan's new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskiesWebsite: www.somewhereintheskies.comYouTube Channel: CLICK HEREBook your Cameo video with Ryan at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DOOfficial Store: CLICK HEREBuy Somewhere in the Skies coffee! Use promo code: SOMEWHERESKIES10 to get 10% off your order: https://bit.ly/3rmXuapOrder Ryan's older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYCEmail Ryan directly at: Ryan.Sprague51@gmail.comTik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51Twitter: @SomewhereSkiesInstagram: @SomewhereSkiesPodRead Ryan's Articles by CLICKING HEREOpening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per KiilstofteCopyright © 2023 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Earlier this month, a news outlet called The Debrief published a story that included, to put it mildly, some explosive material.The story centered on David Grusch, a decorated former combat veteran who has worked in multiple government intelligence agencies and served on the Pentagon's Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. In the story, Grusch said he had decided to come forward as a whistle-blower, testifying under oath to Congress that there are longstanding covert programs within the U.S. government that possess crash materials of “nonhuman origin.” His claims are backed by multiple on-the-record sources from the intelligence community.The main reactions to this story have been to either embrace it as definitive truth or dismiss it out of hand. I wanted to approach it differently. What is actually being claimed here? Which claims have evidence, and which don't? How does this story fit into the broader context of U.F.O. revelations over the past few years? There is a lot to be curious about here. There is also a lot to be skeptical about.Leslie Kean is an independent investigative journalist who has reported many of the major U.F.O. stories in recent years, including this most recent one, and she is the author of the 2010 book “UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record.” I asked her on the show so I could get some of my questions answered, and hopefully yours as well.Mentioned:"Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin" by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal“Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money': The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program” by Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean"‘Wow, What Is That?' Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects" by Helene Cooper, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean"No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon's U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public" by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie KeanBook Recommendations:The UFO Experience by J. Allen HynekThe UFO Evidence by Richard H. HallAmerican Cosmic by D.W. PasulkaListen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioappThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.This episode was produced by Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Jeff Geld and Isaac Jones. The show's production team also includes Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Garrett Graff and Kristina Samulewski.

Shermer and Shellenberger discuss: the original article in Debrief • the authors Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal • why this story was not covered by the New York Times or the Washington Post • whistleblower David Grusch and his claim that the U.S. government and its allies have in their possession “intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin,” along with the dead alien pilots • claims of the many types of alien ships and alien beings, and that the aliens might be multi-dimensional in nature • that there is a sophisticated cover-up by the military of which even the POTUS isn't aware • what Shellenberger's new sources told him about Grusch's claims, and more… Michael Shellenberger is an investigative journalist who has broken major stories on crime and drug policy; homelessness; Amazon deforestation; rising climate resilience; growing eco-anxiety; the U.S. government's role in the fracking revolution; climate change and California's fires, and now UFO whistleblowers, which he revealed in his substack article in Public. He was on the show previously to discuss his book Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, and since then he wrote San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities. Earlier this year he worked with Elon Musk, Bari Weiss, and Matt Taibbi on the “Twitter Files,” which revealed the extent to which censorship of unpopular ideas and politically incorrect beliefs was rampant at Twitter before Musk purchased the company. In his Public Substack article Shellenberger revealed what he learned from UFO whistleblowers, which he shares with us in this episode.

Former US Intelligence Officer David Grusch has blown the lid off of UFO secrecy by claiming the American government has captured multiple non-human craft and has them in their possession now. We are joined by one of the veteran journalists who broke this story in The Debrief last week. Ralph Blumenthal worked for the New York Times for 45 years and shares why Grusch is a credible witness. You can find the original story here at The Debrief: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ Thanks Mr. Blumenthal! --- Please support our great sponsors as they make our free podcasts possible! -GRAMMARLY- You'll be amazed at what you can do with GrammarlyGO, Grammarly's new generative AI assistant! Go to grammarly.com/GO to download and learn more about GrammarlyGO. -WILDGRAIN- Wildgrain is the first-ever, bake-from-frozen subscription box for sourdough breads, fresh pastas, and artisanal pastries. We love it! For a limited time, you can get $30 off the first box – PLUS free Croissants in every box – when you go to Wildgrain.com/JIM to start your subscription. -TRANSCRIPT- CLICK HERE for a full transcript. -- For more information on our podcast data policy CLICK HERE

The podcast episode of the one-hour interview on News Nation with former intelligence official and UFO/UAP Pentagon whistleblower David Grusch that aired on YouTube on May 11, 2023.Grusch has recently made explosive whistleblower complaints with the Inspector General (DODIG and IGIC), alleging that the United States government is involved in a cover-up of over 12 crashed UFOs, keeping them hidden from Congressional oversight. He discussed the retaliation he faced from Pentagon officials and others for his revelations, the crash at Roswell, and thoughts on The Pentagon UFO Investigation program AARO, led by Director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick.This mind-blowing information about crashed UFOs and the covert programs and government coverup was unveiled in an article written for The Debrief by Leslie Keane and Ralph Blumenthal, and now Dave will sit down with journalist Ross Coulthart of The Need to Know Podcast to dive deep into these astounding claims.But that's not all! Joining us for our pre-show discussion is the co-author of the famous UFO/UAP white paper, "Loose Threads," Daniel Elizondo, also known as Omega Point. We will also have the host of the UFO program Post Disclosure, Ryan Robbins, a.k.a. UFO Jesus, to bring his unique insights into the conversation.The Good Trouble Show:Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheGoodTroubleShowYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheGoodTroubleShowTwitter: https://twitter.com/GoodTroubleShowInstagram: @goodtroubleshowTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodtroubleshowFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/The-Good-Trouble-Show-With-Matt-Ford-106009712211646

On episode 321 of SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES, Ryan is joined by Bryce Zabel to break down the the latest bombshell article published by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal at The Debrief and featured on New Nation. We look at the claims, the evidence, the criticisms, and where we go from here!David Grusch, a 36-year-old decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, National Reconnaissance Officer and former UAP Task Force member, claims that the U.S. is in possession of intact and partially intact craft of "Non-Human Origin." But this claim is only the beginning. Tune in to find out more!Read Debrief article: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/Full Body Language Analysis: https://youtu.be/f18b9aCaEgkOrder Ryan's new book: https://a.co/d/4KNQnM4Patreon: www.patreon.com/somewhereskiesWebsite: www.somewhereintheskies.comYouTube Channel: CLICK HEREBook your Cameo video with Ryan at: https://bit.ly/3kwz3DOOfficial Store: CLICK HEREBuy Somewhere in the Skies coffee! Use promo code: SOMEWHERESKIES10 to get 10% off your order: https://bit.ly/3rmXuapOrder Ryan's older book: https://amzn.to/3PmydYCEmail Ryan directly at: Ryan.Sprague51@gmail.comTik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryansprague51Twitter: @SomewhereSkiesInstagram: @SomewhereSkiesPodRead Ryan's Articles by CLICKING HEREOpening Theme Song, "Ephemeral Reign" by Per KiilstofteCopyright © 2023 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/somewhere-in-the-skies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Updates on the bombshell "whistleblower" UFO story from Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean for The Debrief - and Harvard Professor Avi Loeb and Nick Pope on the recent NASA UAP Session...

The year 2017 saw what appeared at the time to be a sea change in ufology when a key piece published in the New York Times made clear that the U.S. military had footage of aerial vehicles of unknown origin. In other words, not only were UFOs - now referred to as UAP - a “thing”, something those intimately familiar with the topic had long known to be the case, but the U.S. government, to some degree or another, was now publicly acknowledging this fact. Many within ufology assumed this was the turning point we'd all been waiting for; the historical event that would send this topic fully into hyperdrive, and not just in remote corners of the internet, but, more importantly, within the mainstream. In the end, that wasn't what happened. The article made waves, to be sure, dragging the topic beyond X-files land, and tantalizingly closer to mainstream acceptance. Still, what many enthusiasts and researchers were left wondering was, why weren't these revelations enough to really bring us past the threshold into widespread, conventional recognition of the validity of this topic? That question has lingered, largely in a static status, until this past week, when a new article by the same authors has brought to light startling allegations that take this topic well beyond the matter of strange lights in the sky. According to an article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, a former intelligence official turned whistleblower named David Grusch has alleged that elements of the U.S. military are in possession of “intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.” Because Grusch has provided this information to Congress and the Intelligence Community inspector general, filing “a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures,” and because officials have received these concerns as “credible” and “urgent”, once again we seem to be at the precipice of a word ufologists have been bandying about for decades: disclosure. True disclosure. Not hearsay. Not rumors; but true widespread acknowledgement by government officials and widespread acceptance by the populace of the world that not only are we not alone in the universe, but that various beings who represent vast, sophisticated intelligence are here, in our very midst, and, in a collective shock to the system, perhaps have been all along. As things stand right now, this is a dynamic situation, evolving daily as the story makes its way across the media landscape, inevitably landing anew in the awareness of untold numbers of the general public, and on the desks of government officials all around the world. But where do things stand, really? Is there no turning back at this point? Have we crossed the proverbial event horizon? Is the end result, while still rolling out as we speak, already a foregone conclusion? Put simply the question is this: will these remarkable recent events finally catapult us into a new era in human civilization, where we recognize we are part of a cosmic neighborhood teeming with life forms we've as of yet been largely unaware of? And, if so, what comes next? How will we be changed by these revelations? These are the very pressing and profound questions we'll seek to find some clarity around on this, the 85th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

Veteran journalist, Ralph Blumenthal on co-authoring the bombshell article: INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN published on The Debrief a few days ago. He discusses what he and co-author Leslie Kean went through to verify David Grusch's claim of who he was, and the nature of the whistleblower complaint he as filed. He addresses some of the issues that have been put out there since the release, and what impact he believes this article could make.Show Notes

On June 5, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal published one of the most extraordinary stories in history in the Debrief. It was about the claims of a whistleblower, David Grush, that the US government is in possession of crashed disks and other materials that are not of earthly manufacture. Far from being a garden-variety whistleblower claim, this one involved Congressional testimony and was part of a legally sanctioned process. Listen and Leslie and Ralph discuss the inside story in the Dreamland exclusive.

Frank begins the show by talking about the poor air quality from the Canadian wildfires before David Wildstein, Editor of The New Jersey Globe joins to talk about who is Chris Christie? Then, Frank talks about the Saudi backed LIV golf joining forces with PGA golf and also speaks to Ralph Blumenthal, former New York Times Reporter, who broke the story on the UAP whistleblower this week & author of seven books on investigative crime reporting and cultural history including “The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the passion of John Mack” about the US government has recovered non-human aircraft. Not long after, Frank  counts his chips with John Boyd, Founder and Principal at the Boyd Company and a thought leader and well-known pioneer of the modern era of corporate site selection for the AC Report. Later, Frank pays his respects to the late great Pat Cooper before Brian Kilmeade, New York Times best-selling author, co-host of Fox and Friends on Fox News and a radio talk show host heard every morning from 10am-Noon on 77WABC joins the show to talk about the news of the day. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Frank Morano interviews Ralph Blumenthal, former New York Times Reporter, who broke the story on the UAP whistleblower this week & author of seven books on investigative crime reporting and cultural history including “The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the passion of John Mack” about the US government has recovered non-human aircraft Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is the United States in possession of anomalous craft of non-human origin? Has this information been illegally kept from Congress? These are among the questions raised by a bombshell story published in The Debrief by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal who, in 2017, reframed the public debate about unidentified aerial phenomena in an article published in The New York Times. Now, a former intelligence official, David Charles Grusch, has come forward and filed a complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General alleging that knowledge of such retrievals of non-human craft has been illegally kept from Congress.  This week on The Micah Hanks Program, Kean and Blumenthal join me to discuss the story, the investigative process behind it, and how it all came together. Then later in the program, co-founder of The Debrief and investigative reporter Tim McMillan joins us to discuss the vetting and research process behind the scenes prior to the article's publication.  The story doesn't end here... become an X Subscriber and get access to even more weekly content and monthly specials. Want to advertise/sponsor The Micah Hanks Program? We have partnered with the fine folks at Gumball to handle our advertising/sponsorship requests. If you would like to advertise with The Micah Hanks Program, all you have to do is click the link below to get started: Gumball: Advertise with The Micah Hanks Program Show Notes Below are links to stories and other content featured in this episode: NEWS: Sonic boom over DC: No survivors found after small plane crashes in Virginia Is it real or made by AI? Europe wants a label for that as it fights disinformation   KEAN & BLUMENTHAL: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin BECOME AN X SUBSCRIBER AND GET EVEN MORE GREAT PODCASTS AND MONTHLY SPECIALS FROM MICAH HANKS. Sign up today and get access to the entire back catalog of The Micah Hanks Program, as well as “classic” episodes of The Gralien Report Podcast, weekly “additional editions” of the subscriber-only X Podcast, the monthly Enigmas specials, and much more. Like us on Facebook Follow @MicahHanks on Twitter Keep up with Micah and his work at micahhanks.com.

Ralph Blumenthal, the longtime New York Times reporter who got U.F.O.'s on the frontpage of the "Paper of Record"  joins Gaslit Nation to discuss the government's secret X-Files. He is the author of several books, including The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack, the children's book UFOhs, as well as several books on the mafia and Nazis, making him the ideal Gaslit Nation guest! This is an excerpt of an upcoming special two-part episode with Blumenthal on the nature of U.F.O.'s, what the current and potential findings mean for humanity, and the corporations believed to be monitoring research into U.F.O.'s closely for potential profit opportunities and there doesn't seem much that the shadowy government sectors allowing this will do to protect against that. Look out for more of this interview soon! For now, we couldn't wait to share this excerpt as a bit of fun as we gear up for next week's two live tapings.   This coming Tuesday May 23rd at 1:30pm EST, Russian mafia expert Olga Lautman joins Gaslit Nation for a live taping followed by an audience Q&A. The next day Wednesday May 24th at 2pm EST David Pepper, the author of Saving Democracy, joins Gaslit Nation for a live taping to answer questions about how to defeat the fascist threat, especially in so-called "red states." If you're subscribed to the show at the Truth-teller level or higher, check your inbox for details on how to join each event the morning of that event. Joining the live tapings will be as easy as clicking on a link!   Gaslit Nation will be back with an all new Q&A next week answering questions from subscribers at the Democracy Defender level and higher. Keep your questions coming! We always enjoy hearing from you!   Thank you to everyone who supports the show -- we could not make Gaslit Nation without you! If you would like to join our community of listeners and get access to all bonus episodes, including our back catalogue and event invites, sign up at Patreon.com/Gaslit