Podcast appearances and mentions of Paul Klein

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EP 243: Christian music is having a moment—and we're here for it. This week, Andy and Chuck dive into how worship is breaking barriers and trending like never before. From Brandon Lake's powerful collaboration with Jelly Roll to faith-filled performances on American Idol, it's clear that the message of Jesus is echoing across the culture.We also highlight breakout artists like Forrest Frank and Aodhán King (yes, that viral "Thank You Jesus" collab with Paul Klein), the rise of Sons of Sunday, and the movement happening at The Belonging Co.It's a fun, fast-paced convo about how God is using music to reach hearts in fresh ways—and why this could be just the beginning.

Click here to send us a message!We only have one tradition here at Piece of Pie, and that's our annual Oscar episode. We started this little podcast discussing the Oscars, and ever since we've made sure to cover them. This year Paul Klein and Chris Alexander join Brian to discuss queer representation at the yearly show, Conan O'Brien and more!

Today's episode is with Paul Klein, founder of Browserbase. We talked about building browser infrastructure for AI agents, the future of agent authentication, and their open source framework Stagehand.* [00:00:00] Introductions* [00:04:46] AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructure* [00:07:05] Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsing* [00:12:26] Running headless browsers at scale* [00:18:46] Geolocation when proxying* [00:21:25] CAPTCHAs and Agent Auth* [00:28:21] Building “User take over” functionality* [00:33:43] Stagehand: AI web browsing framework* [00:38:58] OpenAI's Operator and computer use agents* [00:44:44] Surprising use cases of Browserbase* [00:47:18] Future of browser automation and market competition* [00:53:11] Being a solo founderTranscriptAlessio [00:00:04]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and I'm joined by my co-host Swyx, founder of Smol.ai.swyx [00:00:12]: Hey, and today we are very blessed to have our friends, Paul Klein, for the fourth, the fourth, CEO of Browserbase. Welcome.Paul [00:00:21]: Thanks guys. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I've been lucky to know both of you for like a couple of years now, I think. So it's just like we're hanging out, you know, with three ginormous microphones in front of our face. It's totally normal hangout.swyx [00:00:34]: Yeah. We've actually mentioned you on the podcast, I think, more often than any other Solaris tenant. Just because like you're one of the, you know, best performing, I think, LLM tool companies that have started up in the last couple of years.Paul [00:00:50]: Yeah, I mean, it's been a whirlwind of a year, like Browserbase is actually pretty close to our first birthday. So we are one years old. And going from, you know, starting a company as a solo founder to... To, you know, having a team of 20 people, you know, a series A, but also being able to support hundreds of AI companies that are building AI applications that go out and automate the web. It's just been like, really cool. It's been happening a little too fast. I think like collectively as an AI industry, let's just take a week off together. I took my first vacation actually two weeks ago, and Operator came out on the first day, and then a week later, DeepSeat came out. And I'm like on vacation trying to chill. I'm like, we got to build with this stuff, right? So it's been a breakneck year. But I'm super happy to be here and like talk more about all the stuff we're seeing. And I'd love to hear kind of what you guys are excited about too, and share with it, you know?swyx [00:01:39]: Where to start? So people, you've done a bunch of podcasts. I think I strongly recommend Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools, as well as Turner Novak's The Peel. And, you know, I'm sure there's others. So you covered your Twilio story in the past, talked about StreamClub, you got acquired to Mux, and then you left to start Browserbase. So maybe we just start with what is Browserbase? Yeah.Paul [00:02:02]: Browserbase is the web browser for your AI. We're building headless browser infrastructure, which are browsers that run in a server environment that's accessible to developers via APIs and SDKs. It's really hard to run a web browser in the cloud. You guys are probably running Chrome on your computers, and that's using a lot of resources, right? So if you want to run a web browser or thousands of web browsers, you can't just spin up a bunch of lambdas. You actually need to use a secure containerized environment. You have to scale it up and down. It's a stateful system. And that infrastructure is, like, super painful. And I know that firsthand, because at my last company, StreamClub, I was CTO, and I was building our own internal headless browser infrastructure. That's actually why we sold the company, is because Mux really wanted to buy our headless browser infrastructure that we'd built. And it's just a super hard problem. And I actually told my co-founders, I would never start another company unless it was a browser infrastructure company. And it turns out that's really necessary in the age of AI, when AI can actually go out and interact with websites, click on buttons, fill in forms. You need AI to do all of that work in an actual browser running somewhere on a server. And BrowserBase powers that.swyx [00:03:08]: While you're talking about it, it occurred to me, not that you're going to be acquired or anything, but it occurred to me that it would be really funny if you became the Nikita Beer of headless browser companies. You just have one trick, and you make browser companies that get acquired.Paul [00:03:23]: I truly do only have one trick. I'm screwed if it's not for headless browsers. I'm not a Go programmer. You know, I'm in AI grant. You know, browsers is an AI grant. But we were the only company in that AI grant batch that used zero dollars on AI spend. You know, we're purely an infrastructure company. So as much as people want to ask me about reinforcement learning, I might not be the best guy to talk about that. But if you want to ask about headless browser infrastructure at scale, I can talk your ear off. So that's really my area of expertise. And it's a pretty niche thing. Like, nobody has done what we're doing at scale before. So we're happy to be the experts.swyx [00:03:59]: You do have an AI thing, stagehand. We can talk about the sort of core of browser-based first, and then maybe stagehand. Yeah, stagehand is kind of the web browsing framework. Yeah.What is Browserbase? Headless Browser Infrastructure ExplainedAlessio [00:04:10]: Yeah. Yeah. And maybe how you got to browser-based and what problems you saw. So one of the first things I worked on as a software engineer was integration testing. Sauce Labs was kind of like the main thing at the time. And then we had Selenium, we had Playbrite, we had all these different browser things. But it's always been super hard to do. So obviously you've worked on this before. When you started browser-based, what were the challenges? What were the AI-specific challenges that you saw versus, there's kind of like all the usual running browser at scale in the cloud, which has been a problem for years. What are like the AI unique things that you saw that like traditional purchase just didn't cover? Yeah.AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructurePaul [00:04:46]: First and foremost, I think back to like the first thing I did as a developer, like as a kid when I was writing code, I wanted to write code that did stuff for me. You know, I wanted to write code to automate my life. And I do that probably by using curl or beautiful soup to fetch data from a web browser. And I think I still do that now that I'm in the cloud. And the other thing that I think is a huge challenge for me is that you can't just create a web site and parse that data. And we all know that now like, you know, taking HTML and plugging that into an LLM, you can extract insights, you can summarize. So it was very clear that now like dynamic web scraping became very possible with the rise of large language models or a lot easier. And that was like a clear reason why there's been more usage of headless browsers, which are necessary because a lot of modern websites don't expose all of their page content via a simple HTTP request. You know, they actually do require you to run this type of code for a specific time. JavaScript on the page to hydrate this. Airbnb is a great example. You go to airbnb.com. A lot of that content on the page isn't there until after they run the initial hydration. So you can't just scrape it with a curl. You need to have some JavaScript run. And a browser is that JavaScript engine that's going to actually run all those requests on the page. So web data retrieval was definitely one driver of starting BrowserBase and the rise of being able to summarize that within LLM. Also, I was familiar with if I wanted to automate a website, I could write one script and that would work for one website. It was very static and deterministic. But the web is non-deterministic. The web is always changing. And until we had LLMs, there was no way to write scripts that you could write once that would run on any website. That would change with the structure of the website. Click the login button. It could mean something different on many different websites. And LLMs allow us to generate code on the fly to actually control that. So I think that rise of writing the generic automation scripts that can work on many different websites, to me, made it clear that browsers are going to be a lot more useful because now you can automate a lot more things without writing. If you wanted to write a script to book a demo call on 100 websites, previously, you had to write 100 scripts. Now you write one script that uses LLMs to generate that script. That's why we built our web browsing framework, StageHand, which does a lot of that work for you. But those two things, web data collection and then enhanced automation of many different websites, it just felt like big drivers for more browser infrastructure that would be required to power these kinds of features.Alessio [00:07:05]: And was multimodality also a big thing?Paul [00:07:08]: Now you can use the LLMs to look, even though the text in the dome might not be as friendly. Maybe my hot take is I was always kind of like, I didn't think vision would be as big of a driver. For UI automation, I felt like, you know, HTML is structured text and large language models are good with structured text. But it's clear that these computer use models are often vision driven, and they've been really pushing things forward. So definitely being multimodal, like rendering the page is required to take a screenshot to give that to a computer use model to take actions on a website. And it's just another win for browser. But I'll be honest, that wasn't what I was thinking early on. I didn't even think that we'd get here so fast with multimodality. I think we're going to have to get back to multimodal and vision models.swyx [00:07:50]: This is one of those things where I forgot to mention in my intro that I'm an investor in Browserbase. And I remember that when you pitched to me, like a lot of the stuff that we have today, we like wasn't on the original conversation. But I did have my original thesis was something that we've talked about on the podcast before, which is take the GPT store, the custom GPT store, all the every single checkbox and plugin is effectively a startup. And this was the browser one. I think the main hesitation, I think I actually took a while to get back to you. The main hesitation was that there were others. Like you're not the first hit list browser startup. It's not even your first hit list browser startup. There's always a question of like, will you be the category winner in a place where there's a bunch of incumbents, to be honest, that are bigger than you? They're just not targeted at the AI space. They don't have the backing of Nat Friedman. And there's a bunch of like, you're here in Silicon Valley. They're not. I don't know.Paul [00:08:47]: I don't know if that's, that was it, but like, there was a, yeah, I mean, like, I think I tried all the other ones and I was like, really disappointed. Like my background is from working at great developer tools, companies, and nothing had like the Vercel like experience. Um, like our biggest competitor actually is partly owned by private equity and they just jacked up their prices quite a bit. And the dashboard hasn't changed in five years. And I actually used them at my last company and tried them and I was like, oh man, like there really just needs to be something that's like the experience of these great infrastructure companies, like Stripe, like clerk, like Vercel that I use in love, but oriented towards this kind of like more specific category, which is browser infrastructure, which is really technically complex. Like a lot of stuff can go wrong on the internet when you're running a browser. The internet is very vast. There's a lot of different configurations. Like there's still websites that only work with internet explorer out there. How do you handle that when you're running your own browser infrastructure? These are the problems that we have to think about and solve at BrowserBase. And it's, it's certainly a labor of love, but I built this for me, first and foremost, I know it's super cheesy and everyone says that for like their startups, but it really, truly was for me. If you look at like the talks I've done even before BrowserBase, and I'm just like really excited to try and build a category defining infrastructure company. And it's, it's rare to have a new category of infrastructure exists. We're here in the Chroma offices and like, you know, vector databases is a new category of infrastructure. Is it, is it, I mean, we can, we're in their office, so, you know, we can, we can debate that one later. That is one.Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsingswyx [00:10:16]: That's one of the industry debates.Paul [00:10:17]: I guess we go back to the LLMOS talk that Karpathy gave way long ago. And like the browser box was very clearly there and it seemed like the people who were building in this space also agreed that browsers are a core primitive of infrastructure for the LLMOS that's going to exist in the future. And nobody was building something there that I wanted to use. So I had to go build it myself.swyx [00:10:38]: Yeah. I mean, exactly that talk that, that honestly, that diagram, every box is a startup and there's the code box and then there's the. The browser box. I think at some point they will start clashing there. There's always the question of the, are you a point solution or are you the sort of all in one? And I think the point solutions tend to win quickly, but then the only ones have a very tight cohesive experience. Yeah. Let's talk about just the hard problems of browser base you have on your website, which is beautiful. Thank you. Was there an agency that you used for that? Yeah. Herb.paris.Paul [00:11:11]: They're amazing. Herb.paris. Yeah. It's H-E-R-V-E. I highly recommend for developers. Developer tools, founders to work with consumer agencies because they end up building beautiful things and the Parisians know how to build beautiful interfaces. So I got to give prep.swyx [00:11:24]: And chat apps, apparently are, they are very fast. Oh yeah. The Mistral chat. Yeah. Mistral. Yeah.Paul [00:11:31]: Late chat.swyx [00:11:31]: Late chat. And then your videos as well, it was professionally shot, right? The series A video. Yeah.Alessio [00:11:36]: Nico did the videos. He's amazing. Not the initial video that you shot at the new one. First one was Austin.Paul [00:11:41]: Another, another video pretty surprised. But yeah, I mean, like, I think when you think about how you talk about your company. You have to think about the way you present yourself. It's, you know, as a developer, you think you evaluate a company based on like the API reliability and the P 95, but a lot of developers say, is the website good? Is the message clear? Do I like trust this founder? I'm building my whole feature on. So I've tried to nail that as well as like the reliability of the infrastructure. You're right. It's very hard. And there's a lot of kind of foot guns that you run into when running headless browsers at scale. Right.Competing with Existing Headless Browser Solutionsswyx [00:12:10]: So let's pick one. You have eight features here. Seamless integration. Scalability. Fast or speed. Secure. Observable. Stealth. That's interesting. Extensible and developer first. What comes to your mind as like the top two, three hardest ones? Yeah.Running headless browsers at scalePaul [00:12:26]: I think just running headless browsers at scale is like the hardest one. And maybe can I nerd out for a second? Is that okay? I heard this is a technical audience, so I'll talk to the other nerds. Whoa. They were listening. Yeah. They're upset. They're ready. The AGI is angry. Okay. So. So how do you run a browser in the cloud? Let's start with that, right? So let's say you're using a popular browser automation framework like Puppeteer, Playwright, and Selenium. Maybe you've written a code, some code locally on your computer that opens up Google. It finds the search bar and then types in, you know, search for Latent Space and hits the search button. That script works great locally. You can see the little browser open up. You want to take that to production. You want to run the script in a cloud environment. So when your laptop is closed, your browser is doing something. The browser is doing something. Well, I, we use Amazon. You can see the little browser open up. You know, the first thing I'd reach for is probably like some sort of serverless infrastructure. I would probably try and deploy on a Lambda. But Chrome itself is too big to run on a Lambda. It's over 250 megabytes. So you can't easily start it on a Lambda. So you maybe have to use something like Lambda layers to squeeze it in there. Maybe use a different Chromium build that's lighter. And you get it on the Lambda. Great. It works. But it runs super slowly. It's because Lambdas are very like resource limited. They only run like with one vCPU. You can run one process at a time. Remember, Chromium is super beefy. It's barely running on my MacBook Air. I'm still downloading it from a pre-run. Yeah, from the test earlier, right? I'm joking. But it's big, you know? So like Lambda, it just won't work really well. Maybe it'll work, but you need something faster. Your users want something faster. Okay. Well, let's put it on a beefier instance. Let's get an EC2 server running. Let's throw Chromium on there. Great. Okay. I can, that works well with one user. But what if I want to run like 10 Chromium instances, one for each of my users? Okay. Well, I might need two EC2 instances. Maybe 10. All of a sudden, you have multiple EC2 instances. This sounds like a problem for Kubernetes and Docker, right? Now, all of a sudden, you're using ECS or EKS, the Kubernetes or container solutions by Amazon. You're spending up and down containers, and you're spending a whole engineer's time on kind of maintaining this stateful distributed system. Those are some of the worst systems to run because when it's a stateful distributed system, it means that you are bound by the connections to that thing. You have to keep the browser open while someone is working with it, right? That's just a painful architecture to run. And there's all this other little gotchas with Chromium, like Chromium, which is the open source version of Chrome, by the way. You have to install all these fonts. You want emojis working in your browsers because your vision model is looking for the emoji. You need to make sure you have the emoji fonts. You need to make sure you have all the right extensions configured, like, oh, do you want ad blocking? How do you configure that? How do you actually record all these browser sessions? Like it's a headless browser. You can't look at it. So you need to have some sort of observability. Maybe you're recording videos and storing those somewhere. It all kind of adds up to be this just giant monster piece of your project when all you wanted to do was run a lot of browsers in production for this little script to go to google.com and search. And when I see a complex distributed system, I see an opportunity to build a great infrastructure company. And we really abstract that away with Browserbase where our customers can use these existing frameworks, Playwright, Publisher, Selenium, or our own stagehand and connect to our browsers in a serverless-like way. And control them, and then just disconnect when they're done. And they don't have to think about the complex distributed system behind all of that. They just get a browser running anywhere, anytime. Really easy to connect to.swyx [00:15:55]: I'm sure you have questions. My standard question with anything, so essentially you're a serverless browser company, and there's been other serverless things that I'm familiar with in the past, serverless GPUs, serverless website hosting. That's where I come from with Netlify. One question is just like, you promised to spin up thousands of servers. You promised to spin up thousands of browsers in milliseconds. I feel like there's no real solution that does that yet. And I'm just kind of curious how. The only solution I know, which is to kind of keep a kind of warm pool of servers around, which is expensive, but maybe not so expensive because it's just CPUs. So I'm just like, you know. Yeah.Browsers as a Core Primitive in AI InfrastructurePaul [00:16:36]: You nailed it, right? I mean, how do you offer a serverless-like experience with something that is clearly not serverless, right? And the answer is, you need to be able to run... We run many browsers on single nodes. We use Kubernetes at browser base. So we have many pods that are being scheduled. We have to predictably schedule them up or down. Yes, thousands of browsers in milliseconds is the best case scenario. If you hit us with 10,000 requests, you may hit a slower cold start, right? So we've done a lot of work on predictive scaling and being able to kind of route stuff to different regions where we have multiple regions of browser base where we have different pools available. You can also pick the region you want to go to based on like lower latency, round trip, time latency. It's very important with these types of things. There's a lot of requests going over the wire. So for us, like having a VM like Firecracker powering everything under the hood allows us to be super nimble and spin things up or down really quickly with strong multi-tenancy. But in the end, this is like the complex infrastructural challenges that we have to kind of deal with at browser base. And we have a lot more stuff on our roadmap to allow customers to have more levers to pull to exchange, do you want really fast browser startup times or do you want really low costs? And if you're willing to be more flexible on that, we may be able to kind of like work better for your use cases.swyx [00:17:44]: Since you used Firecracker, shouldn't Fargate do that for you or did you have to go lower level than that? We had to go lower level than that.Paul [00:17:51]: I find this a lot with Fargate customers, which is alarming for Fargate. We used to be a giant Fargate customer. Actually, the first version of browser base was ECS and Fargate. And unfortunately, it's a great product. I think we were actually the largest Fargate customer in our region for a little while. No, what? Yeah, seriously. And unfortunately, it's a great product, but I think if you're an infrastructure company, you actually have to have a deeper level of control over these primitives. I think it's the same thing is true with databases. We've used other database providers and I think-swyx [00:18:21]: Yeah, serverless Postgres.Paul [00:18:23]: Shocker. When you're an infrastructure company, you're on the hook if any provider has an outage. And I can't tell my customers like, hey, we went down because so-and-so went down. That's not acceptable. So for us, we've really moved to bringing things internally. It's kind of opposite of what we preach. We tell our customers, don't build this in-house, but then we're like, we build a lot of stuff in-house. But I think it just really depends on what is in the critical path. We try and have deep ownership of that.Alessio [00:18:46]: On the distributed location side, how does that work for the web where you might get sort of different content in different locations, but the customer is expecting, you know, if you're in the US, I'm expecting the US version. But if you're spinning up my browser in France, I might get the French version. Yeah.Paul [00:19:02]: Yeah. That's a good question. Well, generally, like on the localization, there is a thing called locale in the browser. You can set like what your locale is. If you're like in the ENUS browser or not, but some things do IP, IP based routing. And in that case, you may want to have a proxy. Like let's say you're running something in the, in Europe, but you want to make sure you're showing up from the US. You may want to use one of our proxy features so you can turn on proxies to say like, make sure these connections always come from the United States, which is necessary too, because when you're browsing the web, you're coming from like a, you know, data center IP, and that can make things a lot harder to browse web. So we do have kind of like this proxy super network. Yeah. We have a proxy for you based on where you're going, so you can reliably automate the web. But if you get scheduled in Europe, that doesn't happen as much. We try and schedule you as close to, you know, your origin that you're trying to go to. But generally you have control over the regions you can put your browsers in. So you can specify West one or East one or Europe. We only have one region of Europe right now, actually. Yeah.Alessio [00:19:55]: What's harder, the browser or the proxy? I feel like to me, it feels like actually proxying reliably at scale. It's much harder than spending up browsers at scale. I'm curious. It's all hard.Paul [00:20:06]: It's layers of hard, right? Yeah. I think it's different levels of hard. I think the thing with the proxy infrastructure is that we work with many different web proxy providers and some are better than others. Some have good days, some have bad days. And our customers who've built browser infrastructure on their own, they have to go and deal with sketchy actors. Like first they figure out their own browser infrastructure and then they got to go buy a proxy. And it's like you can pay in Bitcoin and it just kind of feels a little sus, right? It's like you're buying drugs when you're trying to get a proxy online. We have like deep relationships with these counterparties. We're able to audit them and say, is this proxy being sourced ethically? Like it's not running on someone's TV somewhere. Is it free range? Yeah. Free range organic proxies, right? Right. We do a level of diligence. We're SOC 2. So we have to understand what is going on here. But then we're able to make sure that like we route around proxy providers not working. There's proxy providers who will just, the proxy will stop working all of a sudden. And then if you don't have redundant proxying on your own browsers, that's hard down for you or you may get some serious impacts there. With us, like we intelligently know, hey, this proxy is not working. Let's go to this one. And you can kind of build a network of multiple providers to really guarantee the best uptime for our customers. Yeah. So you don't own any proxies? We don't own any proxies. You're right. The team has been saying who wants to like take home a little proxy server, but not yet. We're not there yet. You know?swyx [00:21:25]: It's a very mature market. I don't think you should build that yourself. Like you should just be a super customer of them. Yeah. Scraping, I think, is the main use case for that. I guess. Well, that leads us into CAPTCHAs and also off, but let's talk about CAPTCHAs. You had a little spiel that you wanted to talk about CAPTCHA stuff.Challenges of Scaling Browser InfrastructurePaul [00:21:43]: Oh, yeah. I was just, I think a lot of people ask, if you're thinking about proxies, you're thinking about CAPTCHAs too. I think it's the same thing. You can go buy CAPTCHA solvers online, but it's the same buying experience. It's some sketchy website, you have to integrate it. It's not fun to buy these things and you can't really trust that the docs are bad. What Browserbase does is we integrate a bunch of different CAPTCHAs. We do some stuff in-house, but generally we just integrate with a bunch of known vendors and continually monitor and maintain these things and say, is this working or not? Can we route around it or not? These are CAPTCHA solvers. CAPTCHA solvers, yeah. Not CAPTCHA providers, CAPTCHA solvers. Yeah, sorry. CAPTCHA solvers. We really try and make sure all of that works for you. I think as a dev, if I'm buying infrastructure, I want it all to work all the time and it's important for us to provide that experience by making sure everything does work and monitoring it on our own. Yeah. Right now, the world of CAPTCHAs is tricky. I think AI agents in particular are very much ahead of the internet infrastructure. CAPTCHAs are designed to block all types of bots, but there are now good bots and bad bots. I think in the future, CAPTCHAs will be able to identify who a good bot is, hopefully via some sort of KYC. For us, we've been very lucky. We have very little to no known abuse of Browserbase because we really look into who we work with. And for certain types of CAPTCHA solving, we only allow them on certain types of plans because we want to make sure that we can know what people are doing, what their use cases are. And that's really allowed us to try and be an arbiter of good bots, which is our long term goal. I want to build great relationships with people like Cloudflare so we can agree, hey, here are these acceptable bots. We'll identify them for you and make sure we flag when they come to your website. This is a good bot, you know?Alessio [00:23:23]: I see. And Cloudflare said they want to do more of this. So they're going to set by default, if they think you're an AI bot, they're going to reject. I'm curious if you think this is something that is going to be at the browser level or I mean, the DNS level with Cloudflare seems more where it should belong. But I'm curious how you think about it.Paul [00:23:40]: I think the web's going to change. You know, I think that the Internet as we have it right now is going to change. And we all need to just accept that the cat is out of the bag. And instead of kind of like wishing the Internet was like it was in the 2000s, we can have free content line that wouldn't be scraped. It's just it's not going to happen. And instead, we should think about like, one, how can we change? How can we change the models of, you know, information being published online so people can adequately commercialize it? But two, how do we rebuild applications that expect that AI agents are going to log in on their behalf? Those are the things that are going to allow us to kind of like identify good and bad bots. And I think the team at Clerk has been doing a really good job with this on the authentication side. I actually think that auth is the biggest thing that will prevent agents from accessing stuff, not captchas. And I think there will be agent auth in the future. I don't know if it's going to happen from an individual company, but actually authentication providers that have a, you know, hidden login as agent feature, which will then you put in your email, you'll get a push notification, say like, hey, your browser-based agent wants to log into your Airbnb. You can approve that and then the agent can proceed. That really circumvents the need for captchas or logging in as you and sharing your password. I think agent auth is going to be one way we identify good bots going forward. And I think a lot of this captcha solving stuff is really short-term problems as the internet kind of reorients itself around how it's going to work with agents browsing the web, just like people do. Yeah.Managing Distributed Browser Locations and Proxiesswyx [00:24:59]: Stitch recently was on Hacker News for talking about agent experience, AX, which is a thing that Netlify is also trying to clone and coin and talk about. And we've talked about this on our previous episodes before in a sense that I actually think that's like maybe the only part of the tech stack that needs to be kind of reinvented for agents. Everything else can stay the same, CLIs, APIs, whatever. But auth, yeah, we need agent auth. And it's mostly like short-lived, like it should not, it should be a distinct, identity from the human, but paired. I almost think like in the same way that every social network should have your main profile and then your alt accounts or your Finsta, it's almost like, you know, every, every human token should be paired with the agent token and the agent token can go and do stuff on behalf of the human token, but not be presumed to be the human. Yeah.Paul [00:25:48]: It's like, it's, it's actually very similar to OAuth is what I'm thinking. And, you know, Thread from Stitch is an investor, Colin from Clerk, Octaventures, all investors in browser-based because like, I hope they solve this because they'll make browser-based submission more possible. So we don't have to overcome all these hurdles, but I think it will be an OAuth-like flow where an agent will ask to log in as you, you'll approve the scopes. Like it can book an apartment on Airbnb, but it can't like message anybody. And then, you know, the agent will have some sort of like role-based access control within an application. Yeah. I'm excited for that.swyx [00:26:16]: The tricky part is just, there's one, one layer of delegation here, which is like, you're authoring my user's user or something like that. I don't know if that's tricky or not. Does that make sense? Yeah.Paul [00:26:25]: You know, actually at Twilio, I worked on the login identity and access. Management teams, right? So like I built Twilio's login page.swyx [00:26:31]: You were an intern on that team and then you became the lead in two years? Yeah.Paul [00:26:34]: Yeah. I started as an intern in 2016 and then I was the tech lead of that team. How? That's not normal. I didn't have a life. He's not normal. Look at this guy. I didn't have a girlfriend. I just loved my job. I don't know. I applied to 500 internships for my first job and I got rejected from every single one of them except for Twilio and then eventually Amazon. And they took a shot on me and like, I was getting paid money to write code, which was my dream. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very lucky that like this coding thing worked out because I was going to be doing it regardless. And yeah, I was able to kind of spend a lot of time on a team that was growing at a company that was growing. So it informed a lot of this stuff here. I think these are problems that have been solved with like the SAML protocol with SSO. I think it's a really interesting stuff with like WebAuthn, like these different types of authentication, like schemes that you can use to authenticate people. The tooling is all there. It just needs to be tweaked a little bit to work for agents. And I think the fact that there are companies that are already. Providing authentication as a service really sets it up. Well, the thing that's hard is like reinventing the internet for agents. We don't want to rebuild the internet. That's an impossible task. And I think people often say like, well, we'll have this second layer of APIs built for agents. I'm like, we will for the top use cases, but instead of we can just tweak the internet as is, which is on the authentication side, I think we're going to be the dumb ones going forward. Unfortunately, I think AI is going to be able to do a lot of the tasks that we do online, which means that it will be able to go to websites, click buttons on our behalf and log in on our behalf too. So with this kind of like web agent future happening, I think with some small structural changes, like you said, it feels like it could all slot in really nicely with the existing internet.Handling CAPTCHAs and Agent Authenticationswyx [00:28:08]: There's one more thing, which is the, your live view iframe, which lets you take, take control. Yeah. Obviously very key for operator now, but like, was, is there anything interesting technically there or that the people like, well, people always want this.Paul [00:28:21]: It was really hard to build, you know, like, so, okay. Headless browsers, you don't see them, right. They're running. They're running in a cloud somewhere. You can't like look at them. And I just want to really make, it's a weird name. I wish we came up with a better name for this thing, but you can't see them. Right. But customers don't trust AI agents, right. At least the first pass. So what we do with our live view is that, you know, when you use browser base, you can actually embed a live view of the browser running in the cloud for your customer to see it working. And that's what the first reason is the build trust, like, okay, so I have this script. That's going to go automate a website. I can embed it into my web application via an iframe and my customer can watch. I think. And then we added two way communication. So now not only can you watch the browser kind of being operated by AI, if you want to pause and actually click around type within this iframe that's controlling a browser, that's also possible. And this is all thanks to some of the lower level protocol, which is called the Chrome DevTools protocol. It has a API called start screencast, and you can also send mouse clicks and button clicks to a remote browser. And this is all embeddable within iframes. You have a browser within a browser, yo. And then you simulate the screen, the click on the other side. Exactly. And this is really nice often for, like, let's say, a capture that can't be solved. You saw this with Operator, you know, Operator actually uses a different approach. They use VNC. So, you know, you're able to see, like, you're seeing the whole window here. What we're doing is something a little lower level with the Chrome DevTools protocol. It's just PNGs being streamed over the wire. But the same thing is true, right? Like, hey, I'm running a window. Pause. Can you do something in this window? Human. Okay, great. Resume. Like sometimes 2FA tokens. Like if you get that text message, you might need a person to type that in. Web agents need human-in-the-loop type workflows still. You still need a person to interact with the browser. And building a UI to proxy that is kind of hard. You may as well just show them the whole browser and say, hey, can you finish this up for me? And then let the AI proceed on afterwards. Is there a future where I stream my current desktop to browser base? I don't think so. I think we're very much cloud infrastructure. Yeah. You know, but I think a lot of the stuff we're doing, we do want to, like, build tools. Like, you know, we'll talk about the stage and, you know, web agent framework in a second. But, like, there's a case where a lot of people are going desktop first for, you know, consumer use. And I think cloud is doing a lot of this, where I expect to see, you know, MCPs really oriented around the cloud desktop app for a reason, right? Like, I think a lot of these tools are going to run on your computer because it makes... I think it's breaking out. People are putting it on a server. Oh, really? Okay. Well, sweet. We'll see. We'll see that. I was surprised, though, wasn't I? I think that the browser company, too, with Dia Browser, it runs on your machine. You know, it's going to be...swyx [00:30:50]: What is it?Paul [00:30:51]: So, Dia Browser, as far as I understand... I used to use Arc. Yeah. I haven't used Arc. But I'm a big fan of the browser company. I think they're doing a lot of cool stuff in consumer. As far as I understand, it's a browser where you have a sidebar where you can, like, chat with it and it can control the local browser on your machine. So, if you imagine, like, what a consumer web agent is, which it lives alongside your browser, I think Google Chrome has Project Marina, I think. I almost call it Project Marinara for some reason. I don't know why. It's...swyx [00:31:17]: No, I think it's someone really likes the Waterworld. Oh, I see. The classic Kevin Costner. Yeah.Paul [00:31:22]: Okay. Project Marinara is a similar thing to the Dia Browser, in my mind, as far as I understand it. You have a browser that has an AI interface that will take over your mouse and keyboard and control the browser for you. Great for consumer use cases. But if you're building applications that rely on a browser and it's more part of a greater, like, AI app experience, you probably need something that's more like infrastructure, not a consumer app.swyx [00:31:44]: Just because I have explored a little bit in this area, do people want branching? So, I have the state. Of whatever my browser's in. And then I want, like, 100 clones of this state. Do people do that? Or...Paul [00:31:56]: People don't do it currently. Yeah. But it's definitely something we're thinking about. I think the idea of forking a browser is really cool. Technically, kind of hard. We're starting to see this in code execution, where people are, like, forking some, like, code execution, like, processes or forking some tool calls or branching tool calls. Haven't seen it at the browser level yet. But it makes sense. Like, if an AI agent is, like, using a website and it's not sure what path it wants to take to crawl this website. To find the information it's looking for. It would make sense for it to explore both paths in parallel. And that'd be a very, like... A road not taken. Yeah. And hopefully find the right answer. And then say, okay, this was actually the right one. And memorize that. And go there in the future. On the roadmap. For sure. Don't make my roadmap, please. You know?Alessio [00:32:37]: How do you actually do that? Yeah. How do you fork? I feel like the browser is so stateful for so many things.swyx [00:32:42]: Serialize the state. Restore the state. I don't know.Paul [00:32:44]: So, it's one of the reasons why we haven't done it yet. It's hard. You know? Like, to truly fork, it's actually quite difficult. The naive way is to open the same page in a new tab and then, like, hope that it's at the same thing. But if you have a form halfway filled, you may have to, like, take the whole, you know, container. Pause it. All the memory. Duplicate it. Restart it from there. It could be very slow. So, we haven't found a thing. Like, the easy thing to fork is just, like, copy the page object. You know? But I think there needs to be something a little bit more robust there. Yeah.swyx [00:33:12]: So, MorphLabs has this infinite branch thing. Like, wrote a custom fork of Linux or something that let them save the system state and clone it. MorphLabs, hit me up. I'll be a customer. Yeah. That's the only. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah. Like, unless Chrome has some special API for you. Yeah.Paul [00:33:29]: There's probably something we'll reverse engineer one day. I don't know. Yeah.Alessio [00:33:32]: Let's talk about StageHand, the AI web browsing framework. You have three core components, Observe, Extract, and Act. Pretty clean landing page. What was the idea behind making a framework? Yeah.Stagehand: AI web browsing frameworkPaul [00:33:43]: So, there's three frameworks that are very popular or already exist, right? Puppeteer, Playwright, Selenium. Those are for building hard-coded scripts to control websites. And as soon as I started to play with LLMs plus browsing, I caught myself, you know, code-genning Playwright code to control a website. I would, like, take the DOM. I'd pass it to an LLM. I'd say, can you generate the Playwright code to click the appropriate button here? And it would do that. And I was like, this really should be part of the frameworks themselves. And I became really obsessed with SDKs that take natural language as part of, like, the API input. And that's what StageHand is. StageHand exposes three APIs, and it's a super set of Playwright. So, if you go to a page, you may want to take an action, click on the button, fill in the form, etc. That's what the act command is for. You may want to extract some data. This one takes a natural language, like, extract the winner of the Super Bowl from this page. You can give it a Zod schema, so it returns a structured output. And then maybe you're building an API. You can do an agent loop, and you want to kind of see what actions are possible on this page before taking one. You can do observe. So, you can observe the actions on the page, and it will generate a list of actions. You can guide it, like, give me actions on this page related to buying an item. And you can, like, buy it now, add to cart, view shipping options, and pass that to an LLM, an agent loop, to say, what's the appropriate action given this high-level goal? So, StageHand isn't a web agent. It's a framework for building web agents. And we think that agent loops are actually pretty close to the application layer because every application probably has different goals or different ways it wants to take steps. I don't think I've seen a generic. Maybe you guys are the experts here. I haven't seen, like, a really good AI agent framework here. Everyone kind of has their own special sauce, right? I see a lot of developers building their own agent loops, and they're using tools. And I view StageHand as the browser tool. So, we expose act, extract, observe. Your agent can call these tools. And from that, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about generating playwright code performantly. You don't have to worry about running it. You can kind of just integrate these three tool calls into your agent loop and reliably automate the web.swyx [00:35:48]: A special shout-out to Anirudh, who I met at your dinner, who I think listens to the pod. Yeah. Hey, Anirudh.Paul [00:35:54]: Anirudh's a man. He's a StageHand guy.swyx [00:35:56]: I mean, the interesting thing about each of these APIs is they're kind of each startup. Like, specifically extract, you know, Firecrawler is extract. There's, like, Expand AI. There's a whole bunch of, like, extract companies. They just focus on extract. I'm curious. Like, I feel like you guys are going to collide at some point. Like, right now, it's friendly. Everyone's in a blue ocean. At some point, it's going to be valuable enough that there's some turf battle here. I don't think you have a dog in a fight. I think you can mock extract to use an external service if they're better at it than you. But it's just an observation that, like, in the same way that I see each option, each checkbox in the side of custom GBTs becoming a startup or each box in the Karpathy chart being a startup. Like, this is also becoming a thing. Yeah.Paul [00:36:41]: I mean, like, so the way StageHand works is that it's MIT-licensed, completely open source. You bring your own API key to your LLM of choice. You could choose your LLM. We don't make any money off of the extract or really. We only really make money if you choose to run it with our browser. You don't have to. You can actually use your own browser, a local browser. You know, StageHand is completely open source for that reason. And, yeah, like, I think if you're building really complex web scraping workflows, I don't know if StageHand is the tool for you. I think it's really more if you're building an AI agent that needs a few general tools or if it's doing a lot of, like, web automation-intensive work. But if you're building a scraping company, StageHand is not your thing. You probably want something that's going to, like, get HTML content, you know, convert that to Markdown, query it. That's not what StageHand does. StageHand is more about reliability. I think we focus a lot on reliability and less so on cost optimization and speed at this point.swyx [00:37:33]: I actually feel like StageHand, so the way that StageHand works, it's like, you know, page.act, click on the quick start. Yeah. It's kind of the integration test for the code that you would have to write anyway, like the Puppeteer code that you have to write anyway. And when the page structure changes, because it always does, then this is still the test. This is still the test that I would have to write. Yeah. So it's kind of like a testing framework that doesn't need implementation detail.Paul [00:37:56]: Well, yeah. I mean, Puppeteer, Playwright, and Slenderman were all designed as testing frameworks, right? Yeah. And now people are, like, hacking them together to automate the web. I would say, and, like, maybe this is, like, me being too specific. But, like, when I write tests, if the page structure changes. Without me knowing, I want that test to fail. So I don't know if, like, AI, like, regenerating that. Like, people are using StageHand for testing. But it's more for, like, usability testing, not, like, testing of, like, does the front end, like, has it changed or not. Okay. But generally where we've seen people, like, really, like, take off is, like, if they're using, you know, something. If they want to build a feature in their application that's kind of like Operator or Deep Research, they're using StageHand to kind of power that tool calling in their own agent loop. Okay. Cool.swyx [00:38:37]: So let's go into Operator, the first big agent launch of the year from OpenAI. Seems like they have a whole bunch scheduled. You were on break and your phone blew up. What's your just general view of computer use agents is what they're calling it. The overall category before we go into Open Operator, just the overall promise of Operator. I will observe that I tried it once. It was okay. And I never tried it again.OpenAI's Operator and computer use agentsPaul [00:38:58]: That tracks with my experience, too. Like, I'm a huge fan of the OpenAI team. Like, I think that I do not view Operator as the company. I'm not a company killer for browser base at all. I think it actually shows people what's possible. I think, like, computer use models make a lot of sense. And I'm actually most excited about computer use models is, like, their ability to, like, really take screenshots and reasoning and output steps. I think that using mouse click or mouse coordinates, I've seen that proved to be less reliable than I would like. And I just wonder if that's the right form factor. What we've done with our framework is anchor it to the DOM itself, anchor it to the actual item. So, like, if it's clicking on something, it's clicking on that thing, you know? Like, it's more accurate. No matter where it is. Yeah, exactly. Because it really ties in nicely. And it can handle, like, the whole viewport in one go, whereas, like, Operator can only handle what it sees. Can you hover? Is hovering a thing that you can do? I don't know if we expose it as a tool directly, but I'm sure there's, like, an API for hovering. Like, move mouse to this position. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can trigger hover, like, via, like, the JavaScript on the DOM itself. But, no, I think, like, when we saw computer use, everyone's eyes lit up because they realized, like, wow, like, AI is going to actually automate work for people. And I think seeing that kind of happen from both of the labs, and I'm sure we're going to see more labs launch computer use models, I'm excited to see all the stuff that people build with it. I think that I'd love to see computer use power, like, controlling a browser on browser base. And I think, like, Open Operator, which was, like, our open source version of OpenAI's Operator, was our first take on, like, how can we integrate these models into browser base? And we handle the infrastructure and let the labs do the models. I don't have a sense that Operator will be released as an API. I don't know. Maybe it will. I'm curious to see how well that works because I think it's going to be really hard for a company like OpenAI to do things like support CAPTCHA solving or, like, have proxies. Like, I think it's hard for them structurally. Imagine this New York Times headline, OpenAI CAPTCHA solving. Like, that would be a pretty bad headline, this New York Times headline. Browser base solves CAPTCHAs. No one cares. No one cares. And, like, our investors are bored. Like, we're all okay with this, you know? We're building this company knowing that the CAPTCHA solving is short-lived until we figure out how to authenticate good bots. I think it's really hard for a company like OpenAI, who has this brand that's so, so good, to balance with, like, the icky parts of web automation, which it can be kind of complex to solve. I'm sure OpenAI knows who to call whenever they need you. Yeah, right. I'm sure they'll have a great partnership.Alessio [00:41:23]: And is Open Operator just, like, a marketing thing for you? Like, how do you think about resource allocation? So, you can spin this up very quickly. And now there's all this, like, open deep research, just open all these things that people are building. We started it, you know. You're the original Open. We're the original Open operator, you know? Is it just, hey, look, this is a demo, but, like, we'll help you build out an actual product for yourself? Like, are you interested in going more of a product route? That's kind of the OpenAI way, right? They started as a model provider and then…Paul [00:41:53]: Yeah, we're not interested in going the product route yet. I view Open Operator as a model provider. It's a reference project, you know? Let's show people how to build these things using the infrastructure and models that are out there. And that's what it is. It's, like, Open Operator is very simple. It's an agent loop. It says, like, take a high-level goal, break it down into steps, use tool calling to accomplish those steps. It takes screenshots and feeds those screenshots into an LLM with the step to generate the right action. It uses stagehand under the hood to actually execute this action. It doesn't use a computer use model. And it, like, has a nice interface using the live view that we talked about, the iframe, to embed that into an application. So I felt like people on launch day wanted to figure out how to build their own version of this. And we turned that around really quickly to show them. And I hope we do that with other things like deep research. We don't have a deep research launch yet. I think David from AOMNI actually has an amazing open deep research that he launched. It has, like, 10K GitHub stars now. So he's crushing that. But I think if people want to build these features natively into their application, they need good reference projects. And I think Open Operator is a good example of that.swyx [00:42:52]: I don't know. Actually, I'm actually pretty bullish on API-driven operator. Because that's the only way that you can sort of, like, once it's reliable enough, obviously. And now we're nowhere near. But, like, give it five years. It'll happen, you know. And then you can sort of spin this up and browsers are working in the background and you don't necessarily have to know. And it just is booking restaurants for you, whatever. I can definitely see that future happening. I had this on the landing page here. This might be a slightly out of order. But, you know, you have, like, sort of three use cases for browser base. Open Operator. Or this is the operator sort of use case. It's kind of like the workflow automation use case. And it completes with UiPath in the sort of RPA category. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would agree with that. And then there's Agents we talked about already. And web scraping, which I imagine would be the bulk of your workload right now, right?Paul [00:43:40]: No, not at all. I'd say actually, like, the majority is browser automation. We're kind of expensive for web scraping. Like, I think that if you're building a web scraping product, if you need to do occasional web scraping or you have to do web scraping that works every single time, you want to use browser automation. Yeah. You want to use browser-based. But if you're building web scraping workflows, what you should do is have a waterfall. You should have the first request is a curl to the website. See if you can get it without even using a browser. And then the second request may be, like, a scraping-specific API. There's, like, a thousand scraping APIs out there that you can use to try and get data. Scraping B. Scraping B is a great example, right? Yeah. And then, like, if those two don't work, bring out the heavy hitter. Like, browser-based will 100% work, right? It will load the page in a real browser, hydrate it. I see.swyx [00:44:21]: Because a lot of people don't render to JS.swyx [00:44:25]: Yeah, exactly.Paul [00:44:26]: So, I mean, the three big use cases, right? Like, you know, automation, web data collection, and then, you know, if you're building anything agentic that needs, like, a browser tool, you want to use browser-based.Alessio [00:44:35]: Is there any use case that, like, you were super surprised by that people might not even think about? Oh, yeah. Or is it, yeah, anything that you can share? The long tail is crazy. Yeah.Surprising use cases of BrowserbasePaul [00:44:44]: One of the case studies on our website that I think is the most interesting is this company called Benny. So, the way that it works is if you're on food stamps in the United States, you can actually get rebates if you buy certain things. Yeah. You buy some vegetables. You submit your receipt to the government. They'll give you a little rebate back. Say, hey, thanks for buying vegetables. It's good for you. That process of submitting that receipt is very painful. And the way Benny works is you use their app to take a photo of your receipt, and then Benny will go submit that receipt for you and then deposit the money into your account. That's actually using no AI at all. It's all, like, hard-coded scripts. They maintain the scripts. They've been doing a great job. And they build this amazing consumer app. But it's an example of, like, all these, like, tedious workflows that people have to do to kind of go about their business. And they're doing it for the sake of their day-to-day lives. And I had never known about, like, food stamp rebates or the complex forms you have to do to fill them. But the world is powered by millions and millions of tedious forms, visas. You know, Emirate Lighthouse is a customer, right? You know, they do the O1 visa. Millions and millions of forms are taking away humans' time. And I hope that Browserbase can help power software that automates away the web forms that we don't need anymore. Yeah.swyx [00:45:49]: I mean, I'm very supportive of that. I mean, forms. I do think, like, government itself is a big part of it. I think the government itself should embrace AI more to do more sort of human-friendly form filling. Mm-hmm. But I'm not optimistic. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. I think I'm about to zoom out. I have a little brief thing on computer use, and then we can talk about founder stuff, which is, I tend to think of developer tooling markets in impossible triangles, where everyone starts in a niche, and then they start to branch out. So I already hinted at a little bit of this, right? We mentioned more. We mentioned E2B. We mentioned Firecrawl. And then there's Browserbase. So there's, like, all this stuff of, like, have serverless virtual computer that you give to an agent and let them do stuff with it. And there's various ways of connecting it to the internet. You can just connect to a search API, like SERP API, whatever other, like, EXA is another one. That's what you're searching. You can also have a JSON markdown extractor, which is Firecrawl. Or you can have a virtual browser like Browserbase, or you can have a virtual machine like Morph. And then there's also maybe, like, a virtual sort of code environment, like Code Interpreter. So, like, there's just, like, a bunch of different ways to tackle the problem of give a computer to an agent. And I'm just kind of wondering if you see, like, everyone's just, like, happily coexisting in their respective niches. And as a developer, I just go and pick, like, a shopping basket of one of each. Or do you think that you eventually, people will collide?Future of browser automation and market competitionPaul [00:47:18]: I think that currently it's not a zero-sum market. Like, I think we're talking about... I think we're talking about all of knowledge work that people do that can be automated online. All of these, like, trillions of hours that happen online where people are working. And I think that there's so much software to be built that, like, I tend not to think about how these companies will collide. I just try to solve the problem as best as I can and make this specific piece of infrastructure, which I think is an important primitive, the best I possibly can. And yeah. I think there's players that are actually going to like it. I think there's players that are going to launch, like, over-the-top, you know, platforms, like agent platforms that have all these tools built in, right? Like, who's building the rippling for agent tools that has the search tool, the browser tool, the operating system tool, right? There are some. There are some. There are some, right? And I think in the end, what I have seen as my time as a developer, and I look at all the favorite tools that I have, is that, like, for tools and primitives with sufficient levels of complexity, you need to have a solution that's really bespoke to that primitive, you know? And I am sufficiently convinced that the browser is complex enough to deserve a primitive. Obviously, I have to. I'm the founder of BrowserBase, right? I'm talking my book. But, like, I think maybe I can give you one spicy take against, like, maybe just whole OS running. I think that when I look at computer use when it first came out, I saw that the majority of use cases for computer use were controlling a browser. And do we really need to run an entire operating system just to control a browser? I don't think so. I don't think that's necessary. You know, BrowserBase can run browsers for way cheaper than you can if you're running a full-fledged OS with a GUI, you know, operating system. And I think that's just an advantage of the browser. It is, like, browsers are little OSs, and you can run them very efficiently if you orchestrate it well. And I think that allows us to offer 90% of the, you know, functionality in the platform needed at 10% of the cost of running a full OS. Yeah.Open Operator: Browserbase's Open-Source Alternativeswyx [00:49:16]: I definitely see the logic in that. There's a Mark Andreessen quote. I don't know if you know this one. Where he basically observed that the browser is turning the operating system into a poorly debugged set of device drivers, because most of the apps are moved from the OS to the browser. So you can just run browsers.Paul [00:49:31]: There's a place for OSs, too. Like, I think that there are some applications that only run on Windows operating systems. And Eric from pig.dev in this upcoming YC batch, or last YC batch, like, he's building all run tons of Windows operating systems for you to control with your agent. And like, there's some legacy EHR systems that only run on Internet-controlled systems. Yeah.Paul [00:49:54]: I think that's it. I think, like, there are use cases for specific operating systems for specific legacy software. And like, I'm excited to see what he does with that. I just wanted to give a shout out to the pig.dev website.swyx [00:50:06]: The pigs jump when you click on them. Yeah. That's great.Paul [00:50:08]: Eric, he's the former co-founder of banana.dev, too.swyx [00:50:11]: Oh, that Eric. Yeah. That Eric. Okay. Well, he abandoned bananas for pigs. I hope he doesn't start going around with pigs now.Alessio [00:50:18]: Like he was going around with bananas. A little toy pig. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. What else are we missing? I think we covered a lot of, like, the browser-based product history, but. What do you wish people asked you? Yeah.Paul [00:50:29]: I wish people asked me more about, like, what will the future of software look like? Because I think that's really where I've spent a lot of time about why do browser-based. Like, for me, starting a company is like a means of last resort. Like, you shouldn't start a company unless you absolutely have to. And I remain convinced that the future of software is software that you're going to click a button and it's going to do stuff on your behalf. Right now, software. You click a button and it maybe, like, calls it back an API and, like, computes some numbers. It, like, modifies some text, whatever. But the future of software is software using software. So, I may log into my accounting website for my business, click a button, and it's going to go load up my Gmail, search my emails, find the thing, upload the receipt, and then comment it for me. Right? And it may use it using APIs, maybe a browser. I don't know. I think it's a little bit of both. But that's completely different from how we've built software so far. And that's. I think that future of software has different infrastructure requirements. It's going to require different UIs. It's going to require different pieces of infrastructure. I think the browser infrastructure is one piece that fits into that, along with all the other categories you mentioned. So, I think that it's going to require developers to think differently about how they've built software for, you know

Grab your sandals and sword and get philosophical with Jason, Tony, and our guest Paul Klein, as we unpack the wonders of Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus (1960). The film was adapted from Howard Fast's novel of the same title by Dalton Trumbo, and it is considered a major step in the end of the notorious Hollywood blacklist. The film is also read as an allegory for civil rights stuggles, the HUAC hearings, and "Third World" struggles. All of this and more is discussed in the episode.  Books and articles mentioned: Who Paid the Piper: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War by Frances Stonor Saunders The Final Victim of the Blacklist: John Howard Lawson, Dean of the Hollywood Ten by Gerald Horne Aesthetic Theory by Theodor Adorno “Fascinating Fascism” by Susan Sontag As always, please suscribe to the podcast, and don't forget to leave a review! And follow Jason on Twitter (X) at @JasonAChristian, Anthony at @tonyjballas, and Paul at @ptklein, and the same handles at BlueSky. Paul's handle on Letterboxd is https://letterboxd.com/ptklein/; Jason's is https://letterboxd.com/exilemagic/. Our logo is by Jason Christian  The theme music for this episode and all forthcoming episodes is by DYAD (Charles Ballas and Jeremy Averitt).  Please drop us a line at coldwarcinemapod@gmail.com. Happy listening!

Paul Klein lives on City Island, an island that it part of the Bronx but has a small-town feel. He is the owner of Kaleidoscope Gallery and the President of the City Island Chamber of Commerce.

Paul Klein is the Founder and CEO of Browserbase, building infrastructure for AI browsers.Our conversation gets into the future of software and AI agents, why authentication is a huge problem in AI, how the best infrastructure companies become product companies, and the memo he wrote that convinced him to start Browserbase despite not wanting to build another company.A year ago, Paul was a relatively unknown commodity, and definitely did not want to raise venture capital again. He shares the playbook he used to go from zero to raising $27 million in nine months “as a non-famous person” (his words).He shares all his lessons learned in the arena as he's processing them, like what he thinks will unlock better AI agents, why you should like your own tweets, and how Browserbase competes with incumbents.Timestamps:(00:00) Intro(02:39) How LLMs unlock automation online(08:34) The future of software (AI agents)(11:21) Why AI agents need better authentication(12:59) Lessons from Twilio on building an infrastructure company(17:27) Learnings from his first startup(19:56) Bubbles, and how they drive innovation(20:37) Reasons this moment in AI is special(29:58) Why technical founders love post-PMF(31:55) The memo that started Browserbase(34:09) Why a startup should be a means of last resort(36:53) Being a solo founder(42:24) Importance of in-person culture(45:56) The best place to find engineers(48:34) How Paul hired a contractor army to build Browserbase(50:16) Why you can't hire mercenaries(54:28) The power of emojis in marketing(57:39) Browserbase's early growth playbook (3 videos)(01:04:00) Benefits of sharing an office with other startups(01:06:00) Sales lessons from his parents(01:08:07) Why startups are like video games(01:13:43) Successful founders work the hardest and are shameless(01:18:44) Customer support is a startups greatest differentiator(01:22:06) Paul's playbook that raised $27m in nine months as a non-famous person(01:29:03) How investors make decisions(01:33:10) Risks help startups avoid competition(01:36:37) Great infrastructure needs its own frameworks(01:39:05) Long-term thinking in LLMs will enable mass AI agents(01:42:21) Avoiding tech debt with AI moving so fast(01:43:48) Infrastructure companies need to become product companies(01:46:54) The Sine Wave philosophy to startupsReferenced:Browserbase: https://www.browserbase.com/ An Internet Browser for AI: https://memos.hawkhill.ventures/p/an-internet-browser-for-ai Rise of the Product Engineer: https://memos.hawkhill.ventures/p/rise-of-the-product-engineer Death to the Backend: https://memos.hawkhill.ventures/p/death-to-the-backend The three Browserbase marketing videosPre-Seed: https://x.com/pk_iv/status/1775183751800377344 Seed: https://x.com/pk_iv/status/1798731220005883935 Series A: https://x.com/pk_iv/status/1851270308701106383Follow Paul:Twitter: https://x.com/pk_iv LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulkleiniv/Follow Turner:Twitter: https://x.com/TurnerNovak LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/turnernovakSubscribe to my newsletter to get every episode + the transcript in your inbox every week: https://www.thespl.it/ 

Join hosts Jason Christian and Anthony Ballas, as well as a new guest, Paul Klein, as they discuss the iconic actor and director Charlie Chaplin and his late talkie masterpiece Monsieur Verdoux (1947). Paul is a film scholar who writes at the intersection of film and history. His research focuses on the cultural, political, and technological aspects of Hollywood and American filmgoing practices. He also write about how and why movies matter at Reading Movies (howtoreadmovies.com) As for Chaplin, he hardly needs an introduction, but many people don't realize that he was a victim of Red Scare harrassment from the media and feds and was eventually exiled from the United States. Monsieur Verdoux is a bold film in that it asks a viewer, just two years after the end of WWII, to consider state-sponsored mass murder (e.g. war) and what Engels calls "social murder" (murder by deprivation), as opposed to individual crimes, which are easier to identify and denounce.  It's also a Chaplin film full of his signiture gags. The combination of these two registers, deadly serious and comical, makes for a fascinating but jarring cinematic experience.  As always, please suscribe to the podcast, and don't forget to leave us a review! Follow Jason on Twitter (X) at @JasonAChristian, Anthony at @tonyjballas, and Paul at @ptklein, the latter two are also on BlueSky.  Please drop us a line anytime at coldwarcinemapod@gmail.com. Happy listening!

Am 2. Advent haben wir Paul Klein und die Memories zu Gast mit einem Oldie aus ihrem Programm. Viel Spaß

Dave and Craig are joined by Paul Klein to discuss the weird award-winning animated film – Happy Feet (2006).We talk about the pros and cons of realistic animation, the weird music choices of this movie, and the dark story elements of what is meant to be a family film!Join us for all this as well as our usual challenges and trivia in this week's episode!#happyfeet #georgemiller #madmax #cganimation #penguins Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

En organisant un hackhaton, Quest for Change veut accompagner les projets qui participent à la bioéconomie, pilier de l'économie de la région du Grand Est. L'objectif ? Développer ces initiatives en entreprises innovantes et crée une certaine dynamique à long terme. Paul Klein, directeur général du réseau, nous présente l'initiative.-----------------------------------------------------------------------SMART IMPACT - Le magazine de l'économie durable et responsableSMART IMPACT, votre émission dédiée à la RSE et à la transition écologique des entreprises. Découvrez des actions inspirantes, des solutions innovantes et rencontrez les leaders du changement.

Paul Klein is the founder and CEO of Browserbase - one of the fastest growing DevTools in 2024.Browserbase is a headless browser API focused on helping AI Agent startups.We dig into:Why browser automation?How Browserbase hit "VC-market-fit"Visionary is revisionist-history Tips for hiring your friendsWhy buying a jacket is like buying a devtoolBuilding an in-person DevTool in San FranciscoMaking priorities (what Paul doesn't care about).Where to find Paul and Browserbase:Twitter/X https://x.com/pauljasonklein?lang=enLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulkleinivBrowserbase https://www.browserbase.com/ReferencesMux acquires Stream Club https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mux-acquires-stream-club-to-enable-developers-to-build-live-streaming-studios-into-their-applications-301449407.htmlLevelsio on VPSs https://x.com/levelsio/status/1827308534645572015 Charly Poly https://www.linkedin.com/in/charly-poly/?originalSubdomain=frDevTools Pauls: Paul Butler https://x.com/paulgb?lang=en and Paul Copplestone https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulcopplestoneSolaris office space https://www.solarissf.com/To support Scaling DevTools, please check out the Enterprise Ready Conf from WorkOS https://enterprise-ready.com/

Die Brahman Simposium en Brahman nasionale veiling, beide geskeduleer vir 15 Oktober by die Agra/Bank Windhoek Arena in Windhoek, sal die aanpasbaarheid van die Brahman-beesras beklemtoon. Die simposium sal om 10-uur begin, met aanbiedings deur prof. Frikkie Neser en prof. Kevin Kirkman. Die nasionale Brahman veiling sal om ses-uur afskop, en daar kan aanlyn gebie word deur Agra Veilings. Die geleentheid vier ook 70 jaar van die Namibië Brahman-telers Vereniging. Paul Klein van Agra Auctions het met Kosmos 94.1 Nuus gesels.

Agra bied op 17 Augustus om 11-uur die Wagnou Beefmaster Stoetveiling aan. Dit sal aanlyn en op die perseel by die plaas Wagnou, 100km noord van Gobabis op die B14 na Grootfontein plaasvind. Die veiling sal 23 geregistreerde bulle, 20 stoetverse en meer as 20 kommersiële koeie met kalwers aanbied. Paul Klein van Agra Veilings het met Kosmos 94.1 Nuus gesels.

This week Dave and Craig are joined by our very own dynamic duo and recent winners of the Endgame Centenary Special - Aaron Potter and Paul Klein, to discuss another Dinsey Channel Classic, Hannah Montana!How much detail can we go into about this teen-orientated story? How much does Aaron know about the original show? And does Hannah Montana: The Movie really steal from Spider-Man 2?!Listen to this plus our fun celebrity business-based Endgame in this week's episode!Follow Paul at: https://twitter.com/paulkleinyooFollow Aaron at: https://twitter.com/ItsMeAaronPFollow us on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/wellgoodmovies/#HannahMontana #MileyCyrus #DisneyChannel #HannahMontanaTheMovie Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join us as we dive into the international world of kettlebell sport competition with elite athletes from the USA National Kettlebell Sport team: Gianna Kreider, Ayden Jones, and Paul Klein. Our speakers share their experiences at WKSF World Championships as well as personal stories of overcoming challenges on and off the platform, tips for beginners, and the vital role of coaches in their success. Whether you're a seasoned athlete or new to kettlebell sport, this episode is packed with inspiration and motivation. Join us and be part of the dynamic and rewarding world of kettlebell sport! Sign up for the American Kettlebell Lifters Union: https://www.aklu.net/membership Register today for the 2024 WKSF North American Championship!!! www.twincitieskettlebellclub.com/tckbopen2024 And if you want help reaching your goals please ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apply for Coaching: https://www.twincitieskettlebellclub.com/interestform This video is NOT sponsored unless explicitly disclosed as such, any product reviews or endorsements are given without compensation. Some product links are affiliate links which mean if you buy something we'll receive a small commission, but you won't pay more. In fact, if you use my discount codes you'll SAVE $$$ 1. 10% off Pro Kettlebells- MADE IN THE USA!- use code TCKB10 https://prokettlebell.com/online-store?aff=8 2. 10% off at Kettlebell Kings- use code TCKB https://kettlebellkings.com?afmc=1d 3. 10% off at Bearfoot Athletics- use code TCKB10 https://www.bearfootathletics.com/?ref=RiA5-64mRDq3 4. 15% off at Driven Nutrition- use code TCKB https://www.drivennutrition.net/pages/_go_?ref=11454:308873&discount=TCKB

Beesboere landswyd sien met groot afwagting uit na die 13de uitgawe van die Agra Speenkalf-kampioenskapreeks. Daar sal van 9 Julie tot 5 September 18 veilings van Karasburg tot Grootfontein aangebied word, met nog vier veilings in gemeenskaplike gebiede. Die reeks dien om gemeenskapskapasiteit te bou en topprodusente te vereer, bied 'n kontantvloei-hupstoot en moedig uitnemendheid in speenkalfgehalte aan. Produsente kan hul praktyke nasionaal vergelyk en in drie kategorieë meeding. Pryse word ook aan topkopers toegeken. Wenners word by elke veiling aangekondig, met streek- en algehele kampioene wat by die Gala-geleentheid in Oktober gekroon word. Die reeks toon die inklusiwiteit en uitsonderlike gehalte van Namibiese beesproduksie, wat 'n verbintenis tot voortreflike boerdery- en bestuurspraktyke vereis vir erkenning. Paul Klein van Agra Auctions het met Kosmos 94.1 Nuus gesels.

Die jaarlikse Hartebeestloop-veiling vind Saterdag op die plaas Hartebeestloop van die top Bonsmara-teler dr. Joggie Briedenhann in die Stampriet-distrik plaas. Dit is 'n hoogtepunt op Namibië se landboukalender omdat die diere van topgehalte is. Die veiling begin om 11-uur en sal ook aanlyn wees, met 'n verskeidenheid Bonsmara-bulle en -koeie. Paul Klein van Agra Veilings het met Kosmos 94.1 Nuus gesels oor wat op die dag aangebied gaan word.

Welcome back to The Overlooked Dark Knight, the podcast that shines a light on Batman stories hardly anyone talks about! This time out Andy and Mike cover two comics that have been released as facsimile editions over the past few years because the guys really love them. After a brief introduction where Andy and Mike blame each other for life decisions they dig into Batman #181, which was the first appearance of Poison Ivy. Then, after some podcast promos and vintage commercials and PSAs, they look at Batman #357, which was not only the first appearance of Killer Croc but also had a blink and you'll miss it first appearance of Jason Todd. Seriously. He's in like one panel. It's barely an appearance. Along the way the guys talk about why they love facsimile editions so much, Doctor Who, whether Robin is old enough to fancy a woman, the logistics of jumping out of a helicopter with a parachute, the brilliance of Don Newton and Alfredo Alcala's artwork, and much, much more! Shows promoted in this episode include... The Bat-Pod, hosted by Bill Bere and J. David Weter Batman Family Reunion, hosted by Paul Klein and Shawn M. Meyers Andy and Mike want your feedback on this episode so they can read it on an upcoming show!  You even have options in how you leave your feedback.  The most direct way is to leave a comment right here on the site.  You can also send all questions, concerns, fears and trepidations to overlookeddarkknight@gmail.com.  Then there' the Facebook page, where you can also leave a Batman related question for Andy and Mike to answer at the beginning of the show.  If you talk about this show on the social medias please include a #overlookeddk so the guys know where to find it. The opening and closing theme for the show is Superhero Intro by Stringer Bell and taken from the royalty free site Pixma Bay. Next Time: Something involving Batman!

Agra Auctions bied vanaand die Namibia Genetics-veiling aan. Die veiling, wat by die Agra/Bank Windhoek-ring in Windhoek plaasvind, begin om ses-uur namiddag. Paul Klein van Agra Auctions het meer oor die aanbod.

We flashback to the days of plastics, jocks, drama kids, skaters, and nerds as we discuss the cultural phenomenon that was High School Musical from 2006 starring Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens.Will we be all in this together? Join Craig, Dave, Liv, Sarah, and Paul Klein to chat all about this teen musical to decide whether it should be remembered for all time as well as try and guess the ranking of other Disney Channel original movies!#HighSchoolMusical #HSM #Disney #DisneyPlus #ZacEfron #VanessaHudgens #AshelyTisdale #DisneyChannel Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Paul Klein: Architect of Transformative Journeys Through Consciousness and SuperPositionIn the course of Paul's extensive experience facilitating individual coaching sessions over many years, he has evolved into a seasoned guide dedicated to positive transformation. At the heart of his journey, Paul has immersed himself in unravelling the mysteries of our Consciousness and Well-Being. This deep exploration in combination with facilitating many individual and group sessions led him to create SuperPosition.As a guide and the architect behind SuperPosition, Paul perceives each person's core Self and their perception of themselves. Armed with this deep insight, he becomes a catalyst for positive change, guiding individuals on a journey of self-discovery and course correction. He empowers individuals to tap into their innate wisdom, elevating their awareness and navigating life's complexities with clarity and authority.SuperPosition is the culmination of years of experience and dedication, offering an immersive experience where the essence of who you are, your talents, and your gifts surface, becoming powerful tools at your disposal in navigating life's situations. This unique approach empowers and inspires, transforming your daily existence into one that is joyful, benevolent, and profoundly insightful.To schedule a SuperPosition session with Paul, schedule it here: https://calendly.com/sharecoherence/superpositionwww.ginnyjablonski.comwww.heartofthehorse.usThe introduction to this podcast is narrated by Rick Lamb PhD.*The information provided in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical, psychiatric or veterinary advice or treatment. Always seek licensed medical, psychiatric, or veterinary care. Interspecies Evolution™ promotes holistic balance through an integrative treatment model defined by the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health.Please use discernment when contracting with energy "healers" who claim to heal humans or animals in any capacity. Interspecies Evolution™ promotes self-awareness and empowerment through education and direct experience on one's own journey of remembering.www.interspeciesevolution.comFor more information about the Host, Ginny Jablonski, please refer to her website at www.heartofthehorse.us

LANY is an American dream pop band consisting of vocalist and pianist Paul Jason Klein and drummer and programmer Jake Clifford Goss. Their first three albums LANY (2017), Malibu Nightds (2018) and Mama's Boy (2020) all made it into the US album top-40. Their latest album 'A Beautiful Blur' (2023) came out earlier this year and we spoke to Paul and Jake about the album, being an independent band, mood vs technical prowess, songwriting, learning from others, Home is Where the Hurt is, and a lot more! Interview by: Robin HignellSupport the showThank you for listening! For more interviews with your favorite artists visit the FaceCulture YouTube channel.

National anthem singer Paul Klein, performing on Hockey Fights Cancer Night, joined Mike Benton during the first intermission on Nov. 16 when the Seattle Kraken took on the New York Islanders at Climate Pledge Arena.

Our guest today is LANY, the US indie-pop rock band adored worldwide for their achingly honest music and captivating sonic landscapes. They've shared stages with music icons like Troye Sivan, Halsey, and John Mayer, while also crafting hit collaborations with artists including Lauv and Julia Michaels. Today marks the release of their fifth studio album, 'a beautiful blur', a stunning collection of indie pop anthems that marks a shift from their previous electronic record. In this episode, we dive deep into the creative process behind this record with band members Paul Klein and Jake Goss, exploring the inspirations behind their songs and the artists who influenced this musical journey. Plus, we share some favourite Dashboard Confessional tracks and discuss their recent duo shows in Australia while hinting at the possibility of a full band tour.LANY: Instagram / Facebook / SpotifyPurchase 'a beautiful blur' here.Thanks again to LANY for their time. We also want to give a special shout out to Millie from Positive Feedback for her help with this episode.You can help follow and support here: TSIY Insta / TSIY FB / TSIY TikTok / TSIY Youtube / TSIY Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Daar word ‘n oplewing in die speenkalfmark voorsien met pryse wat die afgelope twee weke weer begin styg het. Vooruitsigte lyk nou skielik aansienlik beter met pryse wat tot ses Namibiese dollar per kilogram gestyg het. Volgens berigte bespreek verteenwoordigers van Suid-Afrikaanse voerkrale op veilings die sterk moontlikheid dat Suid-Afrika eersdaags weer vleis-uitvoere gaan hervat, wat positief is vir Namibiese produsente. Paul Klein van Agra Veilings het met Kosmos 94.1 Nuus gepraat...

Hour 4 - Gary from "Screaming Broccolli" calls in to talk Tiki's singing. Dr. Paul Klein calls in to help heel Judge's toe. Tiki gives his pick of the day. Plus, Jimmy Cordero suspended indefinitely. 

This week we're joined by the new dynamic duo Potter and Klein to return to the genre of buddy cop comedies with 21 Jump Street!What crazy logic led us here? Is it a good comedy? Is the sequel better?We ask all these questions along with our usual challenges in this week's episode!#21jumpstreet #22jumpstreet #jonahhill #jumpstreet #lordandmiller Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On this week's episode, Dave and Craig are joined by writers and journalists Aaron Potter and Paul Klein to discuss the buddy cop comedy- Rush Hour (1998). How well is this franchised remembered? Is the sequel better? And what's happened to Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker? We ask all these questions plus give our thoughts on the movie, along with our usual fun trivia, and games, including this week's film challenge, which sees Potter and Klein name movies purely the buddy cop names. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you can! #RushHour #JackieChan #BuddyCop #MovieChallenge #MovieHistory #90sMovies #RushHour2 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jasmine Valentine and Paul Klein from Filmhounds Magazine return to Flixwatcher remotely to review Jasmine's choice Ammonite. Ammonite is a 2020 romantic period drama set in 1840s Lyme Regis directed by Francis (God's Own Country) Lee. Loosely inspired by the life of British palaeontologist Mary Anning (Kate Winslet) it focuses on a speculative relationship with her and Charlotte Murchison (Saoirse Ronan), a geologist who is left by her husband to convalescence under Mary's care. The setting of Lyme Regis isn't especially exotic, cold, grey and clammy could be used to describe the chemistry as well the beaches. Jasmine was definitely more enamoured with this chilly romance than Paul and Flixwatcher. Despite this Ammonite still scores generously for recommendability, lower scores for repeat viewing and engagement gives an overall rating of 3.57.   [supsystic-tables id=297] Episode #285 Crew Links Thanks to Episode #285 Crew of Paul Klein and (@paulkleinyoo) Jasmine Valentine (@thejasvalentine) from Filmhounds Magazine  Find their Websites online at https://twitter.com/nomajestyuk and at https://twitter.com/filmhoundsmag and at https://twitter.com/dorianawards and at https://www.tiktok.com/@paulkleinyo and at https://linktr.ee/paulkleinyo and at https://twitter.com/LWLies and at https://twitter.com/RadioTimes and at https://twitter.com/i_D and at https://twitter.com/YahooEnt and at https://twitter.com/polygon and at https://twitter.com/MetroUK and at https://twitter.com/dorianawards and at https://thejasminevalentine.contently.com/ Please make sure you give them some love   More about Ammonite For more info on Ammonite, you can visit Ammonite IMDb page here or Ammonite Rotten Tomatoes page here. Final Plug! Subscribe, Share and Review us on iTunes If you enjoyed this episode of Flixwatcher Podcast you probably know other people who will like it too! Please share it with your friends and family, review us, and join us across ALL of the Social Media links below. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hockey Fights Cancer anthem singer Paul Klein, recovering from throat cancer, joined Mike Benton during the first intermission on Nov. 17 at Climate Pledge Arena.

Paul Klein and Jasmine Valentine from Filmhounds Magazine join Flixwatcher to review Paul's choice The Craft. The Craft is a 1996 teenage supernatural horror film directed by Andrew Fleming. It stars Robin Tunney as Sarah, a newcomer to the high school with unusual powers. She befriends a group of outcasts who practice witchcraft led by trailer-trash Nancy (Fairuza Balk), burns victim Bonnie (Neve Campbell) and Rochelle (Rachel True) who is racially abused by Laura (Christine Taylor). Nancy invites Sarah to join their coven and she becomes “the fourth” to complete the wind-water-earth-fire circle and give them supernatural powers. Popular school jock Chris spreads false rumours about Sarah after their date and this leads to the coven casting individual powerful spells that each have negative consequences. Scores for recommendability for The Craft reflected the mixed tone of the film - swinging wildly from teen drama to straight up horror. Lower scores for repeat viewing and engagement give an overall rating of 3.43.   [supsystic-tables id=285] Episode #273 Crew Links Thanks to Episode #273 Crew of Paul Klein and (@paulkleinyoo) Jasmine Valentine (@thejasvalentine) from Filmhounds Magazine  Find their Websites online at https://twitter.com/nomajestyuk and at https://twitter.com/filmhoundsmag and at https://twitter.com/dorianawards and at https://www.tiktok.com/@paulkleinyo and at https://linktr.ee/paulkleinyo and at https://twitter.com/LWLies and at https://twitter.com/RadioTimes and at https://twitter.com/i_D and at https://twitter.com/YahooEnt and at https://twitter.com/polygon and at https://twitter.com/MetroUK and at https://twitter.com/dorianawards and at https://thejasminevalentine.contently.com/ Please make sure you give them some love   More about The Craft For more info on The Craft, you can visit The Craft IMDb page here or The Craft Rotten Tomatoes page here. Final Plug! Subscribe, Share and Review us on iTunes If you enjoyed this episode of Flixwatcher Podcast you probably know other people who will like it too! Please share it with your friends and family, review us, and join us across ALL of the Social Media links below. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Many of my writer friends not only create their own content, they also do client work such as editing, writing articles, or ghostwriting books. As you probably know, I'm a full-time ghostwriter myself. I'm excited to share this conversation with Paul Klein, who is a business consultant and entrepreneur, and host of The Creator Revolution Podcast. From his days as a 1980s hair band guitarist, he has been a lifelong entrepreneur. He has experience starting and scaling a successful SAAS company as well as consulting some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands. Paul helps consultants, freelancers, and solopreneurs price their services and stop under-charging so they can build their 7-plus figure businesses. In this conversation, I get to ask Paul all my questions related to pricing strategies that can help increase our rates. You're going to learn the best ways as a service provider to increase your income and use price anchoring to set the conversation about your rates. Every writer can increase their revenue, rates, and engagements by implementing these simple pricing strategies. You can find out more about Paul at https://PaulKlein.net and https://bizabletv.com. Plus, you can get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! You can access exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams.

Many of my writer friends not only create their own content, they also do client work such as editing, writing articles, or ghostwriting books. As you probably know, I'm a full-time ghostwriter myself. I'm excited to share this conversation with Paul Klein, who is a business consultant and entrepreneur, and host of The Creator Revolution Podcast. From his days as a 1980s hair band guitarist, he has been a lifelong entrepreneur. He has experience starting and scaling a successful SAAS company as well as consulting some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands. Paul helps consultants, freelancers, and solopreneurs price their services and stop under-charging so they can build their 7-plus figure businesses. In this conversation, I get to ask Paul all my questions related to pricing strategies that can help increase our rates. You're going to learn the best ways as a service provider to increase your income and use price anchoring to set the conversation about your rates. Every writer can increase their revenue, rates, and engagements by implementing these simple pricing strategies. You can find out more about Paul at https://PaulKlein.net and https://bizabletv.com. Plus, you can get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! You can access exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams.

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Adobe Creator Economy Study Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Paul Klein is a business consultant and entrepreneur. From his days as a 1980s hair band guitarist and lifelong entrepreneur to starting and scaling a successful SAAS company to consulting for some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands, Paul helps Consultants, Freelancers, and Solopreneur's price their services, stop undercharging in order to build 7 figure businesses.   Paul is also the host of the Creator Revolution Podcast and Co-Founder Producer for BizableTV. BizableTV is a Netflix-style streaming service for entrepreneurs that launched January 2022 and will be accessible on over 1000 devices including iOS devices, Android devices, Macs, PCs, streaming media boxes such as Roku, Apple TV, Android TV, and FireTV."     To connect with Paul visit: http://www.paulklein.net/ Get BizableTV Free for 30 days! Use Code: BIZ22 (30 days free/$9.99/month thereafter, Reg. $14.99) https://bizabletv.com/   It's never too late to start your own daily creative habit! Join our free Facebook community Daily Creative Habit & subscribe to the Daily Creative Habit newsletter, delivered right to your inbox twice a week!  www.DailyCreativeHabit.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

Welcome to the Creator Revolution Podcast with Paul Klein, where I share business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Join The Revolution! Get The BizableTV Letter, my weekly email newsletter with my best hand-picked business strategies for creative entrepreneurs. Get 7 days of BizableTV FREE! Stream exclusive entrepreneurs, docuseries, BizableTV University, and live streams on BizableTV! If you have any guest suggestions or comments, please email them to: hello@bizabletv.com

On this episode of Come Rain or Shine, Paul Klein, entrepreneur and podcaster, joins the show to discuss strategies for pricing your podcast. The creator of Bizable TV, Paul encourages freelancers starting their podcasts to assess their financial obligations and strategies. Far too often, rookie entrepreneurs sell themselves short by anchoring their price point too low or without tiered options. However, by committing to different service levels, potential clients can compare the price points to the host where the host determines the value, not the customer. For more information about Paul's podcast, click the link below. Resources: Podcast: https://www.paulklein.net/podcast.html Connect with Dan: www.dancockerell.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dancockerell/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dancockerell/ Facebook - www.facebook.com/dancockerellspeaker Quotes: “Make your vision greater than your fear.”

For many, entrepreneurship provides the ideal route for coaches to choose their own schedule, set their own pace, and head towards the destination of their choice. But being an entrepreneur can be more difficult than it sounds. In today's episode, you'll discover the core issues you need to think about when it comes to owning your own coaching business.   Tune in to learn: Why there has never been a better time to become an entrepreneur How a graduated approach may serve your needs The benefits of keeping your day job while you build your business Why mistakes shouldn't slow you down     Paul Klein is a business consultant and entrepreneur. From his days as 1980s hair band guitarist and lifelong entrepreneur to starting and scaling a successful SAAS company to consulting for some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands, Paul helps Consultants, Freelancers, and Solopreneurs price their services, stop undercharging in order to build 7 figure businesses. Paul is the host of the Pricing Is Positioning Podcast and The Rock Your Pricing Online Course and Community.   Get Insider's Access to Bizable TV at: https://bizabletv.com/orders/customer_info?o=62553

#165: Do you struggle with raising your rates or worry about how many offers you should present on your sales page? This is where today's guest comes in. I'd like you to meet Paul Klein, a fellow business consultant and entrepreneur. From his days as a 1980s hair band guitarist and lifelong entrepreneur to starting and scaling a successful SAAS company to consulting for some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands, Paul helps Consultants, Freelancers, and Solopreneur's price their services, stop undercharging in order to build 7 figure businesses. Paul is also the host of the BizableTV podcast (formerly the Pricing Is Positioning Podcast) and Co-Founder Producer for BizableTV. BizableTV is a Netflix-style streaming service for entrepreneurs that launched January 2022 and will be accessible on over 1000 devices including iOS devices, Android devices, Macs, PCs, streaming media boxes such as Roku, Apple TV, Android TV, and FireTV.   In this episode, we dive into 3 essential pricing strategies that you can implement TODAY, what offers should have prices on your website, alongwith the #1 common mistake that limits most coaches/consultants income.  This episode is jam-packed full of great ideas, so let's get to it!  Learn How You Can Increase Your Revenue, Rates and Engagements.... [06:20] Paul's journey from starting a band to entering the entrepreneurial space at age 40 - it's never too late start a new business :)  [10:18] The trigger that prompted him to leave his corporate career behind and make the leap to full-time entrepreneur [12:29] 3 lessons that he learned as he transitioned to be his own boss [15:47] Should I list my prices on my website or not?  [18:31] 3 pricing strategies that will help you increase your rates - you can implement these today  [24:47] #1 mistake that limits most coaches/consultants' income [28:54] What prompted him to start Bizable TV - I highly recommend you check it out!  Important Links & Mentions in this episode:https://www.paulklein.net/ (Paul's Website) https://bizabletv.com/ (Bizable TV - use promo code KB22 for 30 free days) https://www.powerofoneframework.com/workshop2022 (Kelly's Workshop Series ) https://kellybaader.com/review (Subscribe + Review on iTunes) https://kellybaader.com/Spotify (Subscribe + Listen on Spotify)     Remember, YOU Matter! See you in the next episode. 

How do you launch something new into the marketplace when it feels risky? That's exactly what Paul Klein did when he co-founded BizableTV, a Netflix-style streaming service for entrepreneurs. In our conversation, we talk about: What BizableTV is, and why the featured docuseries are a must-see for entrepreneurs at any stage How he got the idea for BizableTV, and the process that made it happen Why hearing stories of entrepreneurs who are only a few steps ahead of you can give you hope for the future of your business The importance of having a vision that's bigger than your fear when you start something new You'll love hearing about all the features of Bizable TV and how it can help you as an entrepreneur! This episode will inspire you to launch new projects, even when it feels risky. To get an exclusive free 7-day trial of Bizable TV, visit this link! About Paul Klein:Paul Klein is a business consultant and entrepreneur. From his days as a 1980s hair band guitarist and lifelong entrepreneur, to starting and scaling a successful SAAS company, to consulting for some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands. Paul helps consultants, freelancers, and solopreneurs price their services and stop undercharging in order to build 7-figure businesses. Paul is also the Co-Founder for BizableTV, a Netflix-style streaming service for entrepreneurs that launched January 2022. REALIFE Resources:If you're ready to discover what matters to you, download our FREE Intro to REALIFE Needs and Values Assessment. You'll gain clarity on what you uniquely need to create a life and career you love. This is one sample of the content we provide for exclusive use by our REALIFE Process Facilitators™. Become a REALIFE Process Certified Facilitator™If you're looking to go deeper personally in your REALIFE and have the desire to serve others and multiply your impact, check out how to be certified as a REALIFE Process Facilitator™! Support the Podcast–Leave us a ReviewAre you growing as a result of listening to the podcast? The greatest compliment you can pay us is to share it with a friend and leave a review on iTunes. Click here and scroll down to Customer Reviews to leave a word on what you've found to be helpful as you're listening in! Connect further with the REALIFE Process®:Join the FREE REALIFE Process® Community - continue podcast topics discussions with Facebook LIVEs and guest interviews Connect with your host, Teresa McCloy on:Facebook- The REALIFE Process® with Teresa McCloy Instagram- teresa.mccloy LinkedIn- teresamccloy About Teresa McCloy:Teresa McCloy is the creator of the REALIFE Process®, an ACC Executive Coach, and an IEA Accredited Enneagram Professional who helps entrepreneurs, business owners, and leaders discover and live out their best REALIFE! She has worked with clients from all over the world to help them bring clarity to their REALIFE and joy to their REALWORK!

Many service providers, including CPAs, start out as generalists who take on every client who needs their services. With a broad focus and no perceived expertise, it's hard for them to provide enormous value that would justify high fees.  My guest today, Paul Klein, shares how he grew his consulting business by niching down to help an underserved market.  Paul is a business consultant and entrepreneur. From his days as 1980s hair band guitarist and lifelong entrepreneur to starting and scaling a successful SaaS company to consulting for some of the biggest brands including Target, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks, Holiday Inn, and other global brands, Paul helps consultants, freelancers, and solopreneurs price their services, stop undercharging in order to build 7 figure businesses. He is the co-founder of Bizable TV and is also the host of the Pricing Is Positioning podcast and the Rock Your Pricing online course and community.   Highlights: — “Instead of being a generalist, be a specialist. That's where I really thrived and became much more successful than I ever was in a day job.”  — “With residual or passive income, you create something once and it pays you over and over.” — “Niching down took us out of the commodity space to that expert space.”  — “Having three pillars of revenue in our business allowed us to ride out those highs and lows of the consulting business.”  — “The true definition of wealth is discretionary time.” ***Want one piece of business strategy delivered daily to your inbox?*** Subscribe here: https://www.shethinksbigcoaching.com/subscribe-main-list Connect with PAUL: Websites: https://www.paulklein.net/ http://Bizabletv.com Podcast: https://www.paulklein.net/podcast.html Email:   paul@paulklein.net Books mentioned: Pricing Creativity by Blair Enns Win Without Pitching Manifesto by Blair Enns https://www.winwithoutpitching.com/books/

Discover the new network made for Entrepreneurs, Small Business Owners, Coaches and Consultants with Paul Klein of BizableTV!Watch BizableTV: https://bizabletv.com/(Note: During January 2022, use coupon code "Nemo22" for a 40% lifetime discount!)WATCH THE INTERVIEW WITH PAUL KLEIN HERE: https://youtu.be/EE4u5jYOXZA