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I, Stewart Alsop, had a fascinating conversation on this episode of Crazy Wisdom with Mallory McGee, the founder of Chroma, who is doing some really interesting work at the intersection of AI and crypto. We dove deep into how these two powerful technologies might reshape the internet and our interactions with it, moving beyond the hype cycles to what's truly foundational.Check out this GPT we trained on the conversationTimestamps00:00 The Intersection of AI and Crypto01:28 Bitcoin's Origins and Austrian Economics04:35 AI's Centralization Problem and the New Gatekeepers09:58 Agent Interactions and Decentralized Databases for Trustless Transactions11:11 AI as a Prosthetic Mind and the Interpretability Challenge15:12 Deterministic Blockchains vs. Non-Deterministic AI Intents18:44 The Demise of Traditional Apps in an Agent-Driven World35:07 Property Rights, Agent Registries, and Blockchains as BackendsKey InsightsCrypto's Enduring Fundamentals: Mallory emphasized that while crypto prices are often noise, the underlying fundamentals point to a new, long-term cycle for the Internet itself. It's about decentralizing control, a core principle stemming from Bitcoin's original blend of economics and technology.AI's Centralization Dilemma: We discussed the concerning trend of AI development consolidating power within a few major players. This, as Mallory pointed out, ironically mirrors the very centralization crypto aims to dismantle, potentially shifting control from governments to a new set of tech monopolies.Agents are the Future of Interaction: Mallory envisions a future where most digital interactions aren't human-to-LLM, but agent-to-agent. These autonomous agents will require decentralized, trustless platforms like blockchains to transact, hold assets, and communicate confidentially.Bridging Non-Deterministic AI with Deterministic Blockchains: A fascinating challenge Mallory highlighted is translating the non-deterministic "intents" of AI (e.g., an agent's goal to "get me a good return on spare cash") into the deterministic transactions required by blockchains. This translation layer is crucial for agents to operate effectively on-chain.The Decline of Traditional Apps: Mallory made a bold claim that traditional apps and web interfaces are on their way out. As AI agents become capable of generating personalized interfaces on the fly, the need for standardized, pre-built apps will diminish, leading to a world where software is hyper-personalized and often ephemeral.Blockchains as Agent Backbones: We explored the intriguing idea that blockchains might be inherently better suited for AI agents than for direct human use. Their deterministic nature, ability to handle assets, and potential for trustless reputation systems make them ideal backends for an agent-centric internet.Trust and Reputation for Agents: In a world teeming with AI agents, establishing trust is paramount. Mallory suggested that on-chain mechanisms like reward and slashing systems can be used to build verifiable reputation scores for agents, helping us discern trustworthy actors from malicious ones without central oversight.The Battle for an Open AI Future: The age-old battle between open and closed source is playing out again in the AI sphere. While centralized players currently seem to dominate, Mallory sees hope in the open-source AI movement, which could provide a crucial alternative to a future controlled by a few large entities.Contact Information*   Twitter: @McGee_noodle*   Company: Chroma

Send us a textStill life? Not as we know it. Trembling with tension and beauty, and roses that cup darkness and secret trauma... Hear Richard Scott share from his extraordinary new collection That Broke into Shining Crystals, just published by Faber. This is brave and shining poetry, timeless and utterly contemporary.Plus Robin and Peter dip into a verdant world, read the Imagist poem, Green, by D.H. Lawrence and, via Chroma by Derek Jarman, find ourselves on the shingle at Dungess by the nuclear power station. Robin talks breezily about Vanitas, the fleeting nature of life, and how she arranged the still life on the cover of her new book, The Mayday Diaries, skull and all...Support the showPlanet Poetry is a labour of love!If you enjoy the podcast, please show your support and Buy us a Coffee!

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Are you still focused on diet while ignoring the most foundational aspect of health? Dr. Max Gulhane reveals why sunlight and circadian biology might be more important than what's on your plate in this interview with Kaitlyn Menere of She Said What?! Podcast.Dr. Gulhane shares his personal journey of transforming his health after conventional medicine failed to address his adult-onset acne. What began as an exploration into low-carb and carnivore nutrition expanded into something far more profound—understanding how our ancient cellular machinery depends on natural light signals to function properly.The conversation ventures into territory rarely covered in medical school: how mitochondria—the energy-producing organelles in our cells—evolved over billions of years to respond to natural light wavelengths. When these tiny powerhouses don't function optimally due to disrupted light environments, disease follows. As Dr. Gulhane explains, "Genetics loads the gun, but your environment and lifestyle pull the trigger."Perhaps most fascinating is the research showing that sun avoidance carries mortality risks comparable to smoking—directly challenging Australia's decades-long "slip, slop, slap" campaign. While ultraviolet light can damage DNA, our bodies have evolved sophisticated repair mechanisms triggered by the very same sunlight exposure. This explains why those who get more sun exposure live longer despite potentially higher skin cancer diagnoses.For listeners struggling with chronic conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, autoimmune disorders, or metabolic issues, Dr. Gulhane offers a holistic framework that goes beyond simply removing problem foods. By addressing light exposure, grounding, EMF reduction, and circadian alignment, many patients have reduced or eliminated their dependence on medications.The episode concludes with details about the upcoming Regenerate Summit in Sydney and Melbourne, where health pioneers will share cutting-edge perspectives on ancestral health practices and regenerative approaches to wellness.Follow KAITLYNInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/kaitlynmenere/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/she-said-what/id1765050611SUPPORT MY WORK

Choreographer Sir Wayne McGregor is one of the most acclaimed, innovative and influential figures in contemporary dance. His works are often the result of creative collaborations with artists, musicians, filmmakers, or with scientists to explore technological issues. In 2006 he was appointed as Resident Choreographer at the Royal Ballet. He has created more than 20 new works at Covent Garden in that time, including Chroma, set to music by Joby Talbot and The White Stripes, and Woolf Works, a full-length ballet based on the life and writings of Virginia Woolf. More recently, McGregor brought the post-apocalyptic vision of Margaret Atwood to the stage in his ballet MaddAddam, based on the writer's acclaimed trilogy of novels. He has worked as a movement director on films including Harry Potter Goblet Of Fire and Mary Queen Of Scots, collaborated with bands including Radiohead and Chemical Brothers, and choreographed the virtual concert, ABBA Voyage. In October 2025, Somerset House in London will mount a landmark exhibition dedicated to McGregor's trailblazing collaborations that have radically defined how we think about performance, movement, and the body. Having won numerous awards, including two Oliviers, Sir Wayne McGregor was knighted in 2024.Wayne McGregor talks to John Wilson about his childhood in Stockport, where he took dance classes and was inspired by John Travolta's moves in Saturday Night Fever. He recalls the house and techno music of the late 80s when he was a student, and how the freedom of expression he felt on nightclub dance-floors informed his style of choreography. Whilst living in New York after leaving university, Wayne came across an open-air performance by the legendary American choreographer Merce Cunningham, whose company was dancing to live music conducted by the avant-garde composer John Cage. It was a chance encounter that had a profound impact on McGregor. He also discusses how science and technology has been a major thematic influence on much of his work in recent years, and how AI has been used to create new works through analysis of physical movement and artistic expression.Producer Edwina Pitman

In this episode, Kelly Hong, a researcher at Chroma, joins us to discuss "Generative Benchmarking," a novel approach to evaluating retrieval systems, like RAG applications, using synthetic data. Kelly explains how traditional benchmarks like MTEB fail to represent real-world query patterns and how embedding models that perform well on public benchmarks often underperform in production. The conversation explores the two-step process of Generative Benchmarking: filtering documents to focus on relevant content and generating queries that mimic actual user behavior. Kelly shares insights from applying this approach to Weights & Biases' technical support bot, revealing how domain-specific evaluation provides more accurate assessments of embedding model performance. We also discuss the importance of aligning LLM judges with human preferences, the impact of chunking strategies on retrieval effectiveness, and how production queries differ from benchmark queries in ambiguity and style. Throughout the episode, Kelly emphasizes the need for systematic evaluation approaches that go beyond "vibe checks" to help developers build more effective RAG applications. The complete show notes for this episode can be found at https://twimlai.com/go/728.

In this episode, we navigate the fascinating world of circadian rhythms and their profound impact on our health. We cover essential biology and protocols for human health, Autism or not. We will discuss how these natural cycles of light and dark regulate our biology, from hormone production to mood and cellular function, and why disruptions—particularly from artificial light—are a growing concern in modern society. Highlighting the role of melanopsin, a blue light-absorbing protein discovered as recently as 1998, we explore how exposure to LED and tech light can throw off our internal clocks, a challenge especially relevant for those with autism who often struggle with circadian rhythm issues.Modern life has two problems: 1) removing ourselves from the full sun spectrum and 2) extending the day with artificial light at night. This, in large part, explains the origins of Autism: 1) a lack of biological energy (energy from the full sun spectrum during development- remember the episodes on neurulation, embryo and womb) and 2) improper clock-timing in our biology (in large part, this is why the gastrointestinal comorbid problem is heavily involved with Autism).We also introduce actionable protocols to reset and maintain a healthy circadian rhythm, whether you're autistic or not, emphasizing the critical role of sunlight at different times of day—morning, midday, and evening. We will discuss innovative solutions like the Daylight Computer, a blue light-free, flicker-free device designed with sensory-sensitive users in mind, and Chroma light devices that harness specific wavelengths to enhance well-being. Alongside these insights, we touch on historical and environmental factors, including a thought-provoking comparison to the Amish lifestyle, to underscore how our modern world might be influencing Autism rates and overall health.use "autism" for $25 off athttps://daylightcomputer.com?sca_ref=8231379.3e0N25Wg3wuse "autism" for 10% discount athttps://getchroma.co/?ref=autism00:00 Circadian rhythms introduced; blue light's impact via melanopsin and Daylight Computer's benefits.00:42 Daylight Computer Company5:00 Blue light's harm, autism energy deficits, and artificial vs. natural light comparison.08:01 Melanopsin's role, modern light's disruption, and historical autism link to artificial light.12:01 Amish lifestyle comparison and modern environments' effect on autism rates.16:01 Morning sunlight protocol for circadian reset via SCN and melatonin timing.20:01 Morning sun primacy; Non-Negotiable 21:23 Chroma light devices for health24:33 Midday sun / UV light for longevity, evening sun's role, and ranking sunlight importance.28:01 Nighttime light management: avoid overhead lights, prefer candles/red lights, ensure dark sleep.32:01 Maternal health benefits, reviews/ratings, and social media/podcast engagementX: https://x.com/rps47586Hopp: https://www.hopp.bio/fromthespectrumYT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGxEzLKXkjppo3nqmpXpzuAemail: info.fromthespectrum@gmail.com

Susipažįstame su spaudos publikacijomis kultūros tema.Lietuvoje jau septintą kartą vyks „Geografijos naktis“.LRT Klasika tęsia pokalbius su Metų knygos rinkimuose dalyvaujančių knygų autoriais. Šiandien pristatome Ievos Dumbrytės romaną „Negrįžtantys“, kuris pretenduoja tapti geriausiu Prozos kategorijoje.Vytautas Bikulčius apžvelgia Olgos Ravn naujausią romaną „Vaško lėlė“ ir Elizabethės Strout romaną „O, Viljamai!“.Birštone rytoj vyks jau 19-asis respublikinis jaunųjų dizainerių mados konkursas-festivalis „AVANGARDAS 2025“.Kaip galime stiprinti Lietuvos ir Indijos kultūrinį bendradarbiavimą? Pokalbis su Lietuvos ambasadore Indijoje Diana Mickevičiene.Valstybinis jaunimo teatras pristato režisierių, dramaturgų – Nauberto Jasinsko ir Maksym Teteruk bendrą kūrybinį darbą, premjerą „Chroma“.Krekenavos regioniniame parke atidaromas „Patarlių takas“.Mažeikių kultūros centre mėgėjų teatras „Visavi“ pristato garso spektaklį, romantinę dramą „Solveigos“ pagal Ibseno ir Elksnės kūrybą.Ved. Marius Eidukonis

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Marco Niro"L'uomo che resta"Les Flaneurs Edizioniwww.lesflaneursedizioni.itPaleolitico. Il clima è glaciale e una piccola banda di cacciatori-raccoglitori tenta di sopravvivere. Ne fa parte anche Artzai, un ragazzo emarginato per via della sua zoppia. Nel ventre di una grotta lo attende una scoperta straordinaria.Giorni nostri. Il clima si surriscalda, ma l'umanità non sa trovare la risposta al problema. Due archeologi, Bruno e Glenda, provano a cercarla sottoterra. La loro tenacia li condurrà a un'antica verità sepolta.Fra alcuni secoli. Il clima si è fatto torrido, ma gli abitanti di Gilanos hanno imparato a conviverci. Clizia è una ragazza curiosa, attirata dalle rovine del vecchio mondo, piene di oggetti tanto incomprensibili quanto affascinanti. Saranno proprio alcuni di essi a metterla in guardia dal pericolo che incombe.Un'avventura lunga venti millenni, che ha come protagonista l'uomo. Quello che resta. E quello che no.Marco Niro (1978) è giornalista e scrittore. Laureato in scienze della comunicazione, ha collaborato con varie testate giornalistiche e oggi, oltre a scrivere, si occupa di comunicazione ambientale. Ha all'attivo un saggio (Verità e informazione. Critica del giornalismo contemporaneo, Dedalo 2005), due libri per ragazzi (L'avventura di Energino, Erickson 2022; Alice nel Paese delle Tavole Imbandite, Erickson 2024), un romanzo (Il predatore, Bottega Errante 2024) e, con il collettivo di scrittura Tersite Rossi, quattro romanzi (È già sera, tutto è finito, Pendragon 2010; Sinistri, e/o 2012; I Signori della Cenere, Pendragon 2016; Gleba, Pendragon 2019) e due raccolte di racconti (Chroma. Storie degeneri, Les Flâneurs 2022; Pornocidio, Mincione 2023).IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.

00:00 Introduction to Max Israel and Ychroma02:03 The Entrepreneurial Spirit and Origin Stories04:42 Journey into Tech and Early Ventures09:15 Building a Software Company from Scratch12:59 Navigating Challenges in Business19:03 The Emotional Journey of Exiting a Business21:28 The Birth of Ychroma and Fashion Aspirations24:10 The Birth of Ychroma: A Vision for Men's Fashion29:01 Overcoming Industry Challenges: The Fashion Landscape31:36 Designing with Purpose: The Creative Process33:53 Direct to Consumer: Owning the Customer Experience38:34 Targeting the Over 40 Market: A New Fashion Narrative45:29 Growth and Reinvention: The Journey of Ychroma49:49 The First Act of Life51:50 Manifesting Success52:42 Marketing and Messaging in Action54:06 The Fast Fashion Dilemma56:42 Building a Sustainable Future01:00:11 Advice for the Younger Self01:01:55 Defining Legacy and Reinvention01:07:33 The True Measure of Success01:08:43 Future Aspirations and Teasers

We discuss the profound effects of light on health, specifically the role of sunlight in energy production within the body. We also cover the evolutionary significance of light exposure, the mechanisms by which different wavelengths of light interact with biological systems, and the implications for health and disease, particularly cancer. Cameron Borg is a qualified nutritionist, practicing pulmonary scientist, podcaster and health coach from Sydney, Australia. He hosts the Ricci Flow Nutrition Podcast, interviewing world leaders including Gerald Pollack, Stephanie Senneff, Scott Zimmerman and more. He is a leader in applied circadian and quantum biology in Australia. Attend REGENERATE Health summit March 22nd in SYDNEY & March 23rd in Melbourne - https://www.regenerateaus.com/SUPPORT the Regenerative Health Podcast by purchasing through the following links: 

“You never know someone else's story. You never know what the experience of a concert or hearing a piece is to somebody. You don't know how that affects them. So much of my music and why I do what I do is to facilitate these moments of connection between choristers, to give autonomy to choristers to feel like co-composers of my music themselves each time they're performing the work. I always tend to seek out music, texts, stories, ideas that facilitate that.”Composer, improviser, and vocalist Katerina Gimon's uniquely dynamic, poignant, and eclectic compositional style has earned her a reputation as a distinct voice in contemporary Canadian composition and beyond. Her music has earned her several honours including multiple SOCAN Awards, nominations for Western Canadian Composer of the Year, and a Barbara Pentland Award for Outstanding Composition.In her music, Katerina draws influence from a myriad of places — from the Ukrainian folk music of her heritage to indie rock, as well as from her roots as a songwriter. Her compositions are performed widely across Canada, the United States, and internationally, with notable performances at Carnegie Hall, Berliner Philharmonie, and the Hong Kong Cultural Centre. Recent commissions include new music for the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, Vancouver Youth Choir, National Youth Orchestra of Canada, and re:Naissance Opera. Katerina is the composer-in-residence for Myriad Ensemble and is based in Metro Vancouver, British Columbia.In addition to her composing work, Katerina is also a founding member (vocalist, electronics, co-composer) of dynamic new music and AR/VR collective Chroma Mixed Media alongside multi-media artists David Storen and Brian Topp. Excited by the ever-evolving landscape of technology in today's society, Chroma endeavours to explore new avenues and intersections for artistic expression by combining various art forms and new technologies to explore new possibilities and challenge audience expectations.Katerina holds a Master of Music in Composition from the University of British Columbia ('17) and an Honours Bachelor of Music degree in Composition and Improvisation from Wilfrid Laurier University ('15). When she isn't making music, Katerina enjoys playing board games, puzzling, adventuring outdoors, and relaxing with her husband and their two cats.To get in touch with Katerina, you can find visit her website, katerinagimon.com, or find her on Instagram (@katgimon) or Facebook (@kgimon).Email choirfampodcast@gmail.com to contact our hosts.Podcast music from Podcast.coPhoto in episode artwork by Trace HudsonPodMatchPodMatch Automatically Matches Ideal Podcast Guests and Hosts For Interviews

CHROMA es el proyecto que ocupa al dúo Bicep desde hace un año. Pueden parecer sólo una sucesión de singles, pero abarca un sello discográfico, una serie de eventos especiales curados por el dúo, un nuevo espectáculo audiovisual evolutivo, y una identidad visual única. Este año acercarán el show a la próxima edición de los festivales Sónar Barcelona y BBK Live Bilbao. Playlist:Baiuca, Izaro, Oreka Tx - XorieriMariagrep - CogollitoBomba Estereo, Rawayana, Astropical - Me pasa (Piscis)DjRUM - Three Foxes Chasing Each OtherBICEP, Eliza - CHROMA 008 TANGZOklou - Harvest Sky (Danny L Harle Remix)Confidence Man, Eliza Rose - I HEART YOUMarie Davidson - Sexy ClownFcukers - Bon Bon (Andrew VanWyngarden remix)Jamie xx, Erykah Badu - F.U.Ezra Collective, Sasha Keable - Body LanguageGreentea Peng - Stones ThrowRestinga - SalinaTeo Lucadamo, Ciutat - Te vas a curarEscuchar audio

Today's episode is with Paul Klein, founder of Browserbase. We talked about building browser infrastructure for AI agents, the future of agent authentication, and their open source framework Stagehand.* [00:00:00] Introductions* [00:04:46] AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructure* [00:07:05] Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsing* [00:12:26] Running headless browsers at scale* [00:18:46] Geolocation when proxying* [00:21:25] CAPTCHAs and Agent Auth* [00:28:21] Building “User take over” functionality* [00:33:43] Stagehand: AI web browsing framework* [00:38:58] OpenAI's Operator and computer use agents* [00:44:44] Surprising use cases of Browserbase* [00:47:18] Future of browser automation and market competition* [00:53:11] Being a solo founderTranscriptAlessio [00:00:04]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Latent Space podcast. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel Partners, and I'm joined by my co-host Swyx, founder of Smol.ai.swyx [00:00:12]: Hey, and today we are very blessed to have our friends, Paul Klein, for the fourth, the fourth, CEO of Browserbase. Welcome.Paul [00:00:21]: Thanks guys. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I've been lucky to know both of you for like a couple of years now, I think. So it's just like we're hanging out, you know, with three ginormous microphones in front of our face. It's totally normal hangout.swyx [00:00:34]: Yeah. We've actually mentioned you on the podcast, I think, more often than any other Solaris tenant. Just because like you're one of the, you know, best performing, I think, LLM tool companies that have started up in the last couple of years.Paul [00:00:50]: Yeah, I mean, it's been a whirlwind of a year, like Browserbase is actually pretty close to our first birthday. So we are one years old. And going from, you know, starting a company as a solo founder to... To, you know, having a team of 20 people, you know, a series A, but also being able to support hundreds of AI companies that are building AI applications that go out and automate the web. It's just been like, really cool. It's been happening a little too fast. I think like collectively as an AI industry, let's just take a week off together. I took my first vacation actually two weeks ago, and Operator came out on the first day, and then a week later, DeepSeat came out. And I'm like on vacation trying to chill. I'm like, we got to build with this stuff, right? So it's been a breakneck year. But I'm super happy to be here and like talk more about all the stuff we're seeing. And I'd love to hear kind of what you guys are excited about too, and share with it, you know?swyx [00:01:39]: Where to start? So people, you've done a bunch of podcasts. I think I strongly recommend Jack Bridger's Scaling DevTools, as well as Turner Novak's The Peel. And, you know, I'm sure there's others. So you covered your Twilio story in the past, talked about StreamClub, you got acquired to Mux, and then you left to start Browserbase. So maybe we just start with what is Browserbase? Yeah.Paul [00:02:02]: Browserbase is the web browser for your AI. We're building headless browser infrastructure, which are browsers that run in a server environment that's accessible to developers via APIs and SDKs. It's really hard to run a web browser in the cloud. You guys are probably running Chrome on your computers, and that's using a lot of resources, right? So if you want to run a web browser or thousands of web browsers, you can't just spin up a bunch of lambdas. You actually need to use a secure containerized environment. You have to scale it up and down. It's a stateful system. And that infrastructure is, like, super painful. And I know that firsthand, because at my last company, StreamClub, I was CTO, and I was building our own internal headless browser infrastructure. That's actually why we sold the company, is because Mux really wanted to buy our headless browser infrastructure that we'd built. And it's just a super hard problem. And I actually told my co-founders, I would never start another company unless it was a browser infrastructure company. And it turns out that's really necessary in the age of AI, when AI can actually go out and interact with websites, click on buttons, fill in forms. You need AI to do all of that work in an actual browser running somewhere on a server. And BrowserBase powers that.swyx [00:03:08]: While you're talking about it, it occurred to me, not that you're going to be acquired or anything, but it occurred to me that it would be really funny if you became the Nikita Beer of headless browser companies. You just have one trick, and you make browser companies that get acquired.Paul [00:03:23]: I truly do only have one trick. I'm screwed if it's not for headless browsers. I'm not a Go programmer. You know, I'm in AI grant. You know, browsers is an AI grant. But we were the only company in that AI grant batch that used zero dollars on AI spend. You know, we're purely an infrastructure company. So as much as people want to ask me about reinforcement learning, I might not be the best guy to talk about that. But if you want to ask about headless browser infrastructure at scale, I can talk your ear off. So that's really my area of expertise. And it's a pretty niche thing. Like, nobody has done what we're doing at scale before. So we're happy to be the experts.swyx [00:03:59]: You do have an AI thing, stagehand. We can talk about the sort of core of browser-based first, and then maybe stagehand. Yeah, stagehand is kind of the web browsing framework. Yeah.What is Browserbase? Headless Browser Infrastructure ExplainedAlessio [00:04:10]: Yeah. Yeah. And maybe how you got to browser-based and what problems you saw. So one of the first things I worked on as a software engineer was integration testing. Sauce Labs was kind of like the main thing at the time. And then we had Selenium, we had Playbrite, we had all these different browser things. But it's always been super hard to do. So obviously you've worked on this before. When you started browser-based, what were the challenges? What were the AI-specific challenges that you saw versus, there's kind of like all the usual running browser at scale in the cloud, which has been a problem for years. What are like the AI unique things that you saw that like traditional purchase just didn't cover? Yeah.AI-specific challenges in browser infrastructurePaul [00:04:46]: First and foremost, I think back to like the first thing I did as a developer, like as a kid when I was writing code, I wanted to write code that did stuff for me. You know, I wanted to write code to automate my life. And I do that probably by using curl or beautiful soup to fetch data from a web browser. And I think I still do that now that I'm in the cloud. And the other thing that I think is a huge challenge for me is that you can't just create a web site and parse that data. And we all know that now like, you know, taking HTML and plugging that into an LLM, you can extract insights, you can summarize. So it was very clear that now like dynamic web scraping became very possible with the rise of large language models or a lot easier. And that was like a clear reason why there's been more usage of headless browsers, which are necessary because a lot of modern websites don't expose all of their page content via a simple HTTP request. You know, they actually do require you to run this type of code for a specific time. JavaScript on the page to hydrate this. Airbnb is a great example. You go to airbnb.com. A lot of that content on the page isn't there until after they run the initial hydration. So you can't just scrape it with a curl. You need to have some JavaScript run. And a browser is that JavaScript engine that's going to actually run all those requests on the page. So web data retrieval was definitely one driver of starting BrowserBase and the rise of being able to summarize that within LLM. Also, I was familiar with if I wanted to automate a website, I could write one script and that would work for one website. It was very static and deterministic. But the web is non-deterministic. The web is always changing. And until we had LLMs, there was no way to write scripts that you could write once that would run on any website. That would change with the structure of the website. Click the login button. It could mean something different on many different websites. And LLMs allow us to generate code on the fly to actually control that. So I think that rise of writing the generic automation scripts that can work on many different websites, to me, made it clear that browsers are going to be a lot more useful because now you can automate a lot more things without writing. If you wanted to write a script to book a demo call on 100 websites, previously, you had to write 100 scripts. Now you write one script that uses LLMs to generate that script. That's why we built our web browsing framework, StageHand, which does a lot of that work for you. But those two things, web data collection and then enhanced automation of many different websites, it just felt like big drivers for more browser infrastructure that would be required to power these kinds of features.Alessio [00:07:05]: And was multimodality also a big thing?Paul [00:07:08]: Now you can use the LLMs to look, even though the text in the dome might not be as friendly. Maybe my hot take is I was always kind of like, I didn't think vision would be as big of a driver. For UI automation, I felt like, you know, HTML is structured text and large language models are good with structured text. But it's clear that these computer use models are often vision driven, and they've been really pushing things forward. So definitely being multimodal, like rendering the page is required to take a screenshot to give that to a computer use model to take actions on a website. And it's just another win for browser. But I'll be honest, that wasn't what I was thinking early on. I didn't even think that we'd get here so fast with multimodality. I think we're going to have to get back to multimodal and vision models.swyx [00:07:50]: This is one of those things where I forgot to mention in my intro that I'm an investor in Browserbase. And I remember that when you pitched to me, like a lot of the stuff that we have today, we like wasn't on the original conversation. But I did have my original thesis was something that we've talked about on the podcast before, which is take the GPT store, the custom GPT store, all the every single checkbox and plugin is effectively a startup. And this was the browser one. I think the main hesitation, I think I actually took a while to get back to you. The main hesitation was that there were others. Like you're not the first hit list browser startup. It's not even your first hit list browser startup. There's always a question of like, will you be the category winner in a place where there's a bunch of incumbents, to be honest, that are bigger than you? They're just not targeted at the AI space. They don't have the backing of Nat Friedman. And there's a bunch of like, you're here in Silicon Valley. They're not. I don't know.Paul [00:08:47]: I don't know if that's, that was it, but like, there was a, yeah, I mean, like, I think I tried all the other ones and I was like, really disappointed. Like my background is from working at great developer tools, companies, and nothing had like the Vercel like experience. Um, like our biggest competitor actually is partly owned by private equity and they just jacked up their prices quite a bit. And the dashboard hasn't changed in five years. And I actually used them at my last company and tried them and I was like, oh man, like there really just needs to be something that's like the experience of these great infrastructure companies, like Stripe, like clerk, like Vercel that I use in love, but oriented towards this kind of like more specific category, which is browser infrastructure, which is really technically complex. Like a lot of stuff can go wrong on the internet when you're running a browser. The internet is very vast. There's a lot of different configurations. Like there's still websites that only work with internet explorer out there. How do you handle that when you're running your own browser infrastructure? These are the problems that we have to think about and solve at BrowserBase. And it's, it's certainly a labor of love, but I built this for me, first and foremost, I know it's super cheesy and everyone says that for like their startups, but it really, truly was for me. If you look at like the talks I've done even before BrowserBase, and I'm just like really excited to try and build a category defining infrastructure company. And it's, it's rare to have a new category of infrastructure exists. We're here in the Chroma offices and like, you know, vector databases is a new category of infrastructure. Is it, is it, I mean, we can, we're in their office, so, you know, we can, we can debate that one later. That is one.Multimodality in AI-Powered Browsingswyx [00:10:16]: That's one of the industry debates.Paul [00:10:17]: I guess we go back to the LLMOS talk that Karpathy gave way long ago. And like the browser box was very clearly there and it seemed like the people who were building in this space also agreed that browsers are a core primitive of infrastructure for the LLMOS that's going to exist in the future. And nobody was building something there that I wanted to use. So I had to go build it myself.swyx [00:10:38]: Yeah. I mean, exactly that talk that, that honestly, that diagram, every box is a startup and there's the code box and then there's the. The browser box. I think at some point they will start clashing there. There's always the question of the, are you a point solution or are you the sort of all in one? And I think the point solutions tend to win quickly, but then the only ones have a very tight cohesive experience. Yeah. Let's talk about just the hard problems of browser base you have on your website, which is beautiful. Thank you. Was there an agency that you used for that? Yeah. Herb.paris.Paul [00:11:11]: They're amazing. Herb.paris. Yeah. It's H-E-R-V-E. I highly recommend for developers. Developer tools, founders to work with consumer agencies because they end up building beautiful things and the Parisians know how to build beautiful interfaces. So I got to give prep.swyx [00:11:24]: And chat apps, apparently are, they are very fast. Oh yeah. The Mistral chat. Yeah. Mistral. Yeah.Paul [00:11:31]: Late chat.swyx [00:11:31]: Late chat. And then your videos as well, it was professionally shot, right? The series A video. Yeah.Alessio [00:11:36]: Nico did the videos. He's amazing. Not the initial video that you shot at the new one. First one was Austin.Paul [00:11:41]: Another, another video pretty surprised. But yeah, I mean, like, I think when you think about how you talk about your company. You have to think about the way you present yourself. It's, you know, as a developer, you think you evaluate a company based on like the API reliability and the P 95, but a lot of developers say, is the website good? Is the message clear? Do I like trust this founder? I'm building my whole feature on. So I've tried to nail that as well as like the reliability of the infrastructure. You're right. It's very hard. And there's a lot of kind of foot guns that you run into when running headless browsers at scale. Right.Competing with Existing Headless Browser Solutionsswyx [00:12:10]: So let's pick one. You have eight features here. Seamless integration. Scalability. Fast or speed. Secure. Observable. Stealth. That's interesting. Extensible and developer first. What comes to your mind as like the top two, three hardest ones? Yeah.Running headless browsers at scalePaul [00:12:26]: I think just running headless browsers at scale is like the hardest one. And maybe can I nerd out for a second? Is that okay? I heard this is a technical audience, so I'll talk to the other nerds. Whoa. They were listening. Yeah. They're upset. They're ready. The AGI is angry. Okay. So. So how do you run a browser in the cloud? Let's start with that, right? So let's say you're using a popular browser automation framework like Puppeteer, Playwright, and Selenium. Maybe you've written a code, some code locally on your computer that opens up Google. It finds the search bar and then types in, you know, search for Latent Space and hits the search button. That script works great locally. You can see the little browser open up. You want to take that to production. You want to run the script in a cloud environment. So when your laptop is closed, your browser is doing something. The browser is doing something. Well, I, we use Amazon. You can see the little browser open up. You know, the first thing I'd reach for is probably like some sort of serverless infrastructure. I would probably try and deploy on a Lambda. But Chrome itself is too big to run on a Lambda. It's over 250 megabytes. So you can't easily start it on a Lambda. So you maybe have to use something like Lambda layers to squeeze it in there. Maybe use a different Chromium build that's lighter. And you get it on the Lambda. Great. It works. But it runs super slowly. It's because Lambdas are very like resource limited. They only run like with one vCPU. You can run one process at a time. Remember, Chromium is super beefy. It's barely running on my MacBook Air. I'm still downloading it from a pre-run. Yeah, from the test earlier, right? I'm joking. But it's big, you know? So like Lambda, it just won't work really well. Maybe it'll work, but you need something faster. Your users want something faster. Okay. Well, let's put it on a beefier instance. Let's get an EC2 server running. Let's throw Chromium on there. Great. Okay. I can, that works well with one user. But what if I want to run like 10 Chromium instances, one for each of my users? Okay. Well, I might need two EC2 instances. Maybe 10. All of a sudden, you have multiple EC2 instances. This sounds like a problem for Kubernetes and Docker, right? Now, all of a sudden, you're using ECS or EKS, the Kubernetes or container solutions by Amazon. You're spending up and down containers, and you're spending a whole engineer's time on kind of maintaining this stateful distributed system. Those are some of the worst systems to run because when it's a stateful distributed system, it means that you are bound by the connections to that thing. You have to keep the browser open while someone is working with it, right? That's just a painful architecture to run. And there's all this other little gotchas with Chromium, like Chromium, which is the open source version of Chrome, by the way. You have to install all these fonts. You want emojis working in your browsers because your vision model is looking for the emoji. You need to make sure you have the emoji fonts. You need to make sure you have all the right extensions configured, like, oh, do you want ad blocking? How do you configure that? How do you actually record all these browser sessions? Like it's a headless browser. You can't look at it. So you need to have some sort of observability. Maybe you're recording videos and storing those somewhere. It all kind of adds up to be this just giant monster piece of your project when all you wanted to do was run a lot of browsers in production for this little script to go to google.com and search. And when I see a complex distributed system, I see an opportunity to build a great infrastructure company. And we really abstract that away with Browserbase where our customers can use these existing frameworks, Playwright, Publisher, Selenium, or our own stagehand and connect to our browsers in a serverless-like way. And control them, and then just disconnect when they're done. And they don't have to think about the complex distributed system behind all of that. They just get a browser running anywhere, anytime. Really easy to connect to.swyx [00:15:55]: I'm sure you have questions. My standard question with anything, so essentially you're a serverless browser company, and there's been other serverless things that I'm familiar with in the past, serverless GPUs, serverless website hosting. That's where I come from with Netlify. One question is just like, you promised to spin up thousands of servers. You promised to spin up thousands of browsers in milliseconds. I feel like there's no real solution that does that yet. And I'm just kind of curious how. The only solution I know, which is to kind of keep a kind of warm pool of servers around, which is expensive, but maybe not so expensive because it's just CPUs. So I'm just like, you know. Yeah.Browsers as a Core Primitive in AI InfrastructurePaul [00:16:36]: You nailed it, right? I mean, how do you offer a serverless-like experience with something that is clearly not serverless, right? And the answer is, you need to be able to run... We run many browsers on single nodes. We use Kubernetes at browser base. So we have many pods that are being scheduled. We have to predictably schedule them up or down. Yes, thousands of browsers in milliseconds is the best case scenario. If you hit us with 10,000 requests, you may hit a slower cold start, right? So we've done a lot of work on predictive scaling and being able to kind of route stuff to different regions where we have multiple regions of browser base where we have different pools available. You can also pick the region you want to go to based on like lower latency, round trip, time latency. It's very important with these types of things. There's a lot of requests going over the wire. So for us, like having a VM like Firecracker powering everything under the hood allows us to be super nimble and spin things up or down really quickly with strong multi-tenancy. But in the end, this is like the complex infrastructural challenges that we have to kind of deal with at browser base. And we have a lot more stuff on our roadmap to allow customers to have more levers to pull to exchange, do you want really fast browser startup times or do you want really low costs? And if you're willing to be more flexible on that, we may be able to kind of like work better for your use cases.swyx [00:17:44]: Since you used Firecracker, shouldn't Fargate do that for you or did you have to go lower level than that? We had to go lower level than that.Paul [00:17:51]: I find this a lot with Fargate customers, which is alarming for Fargate. We used to be a giant Fargate customer. Actually, the first version of browser base was ECS and Fargate. And unfortunately, it's a great product. I think we were actually the largest Fargate customer in our region for a little while. No, what? Yeah, seriously. And unfortunately, it's a great product, but I think if you're an infrastructure company, you actually have to have a deeper level of control over these primitives. I think it's the same thing is true with databases. We've used other database providers and I think-swyx [00:18:21]: Yeah, serverless Postgres.Paul [00:18:23]: Shocker. When you're an infrastructure company, you're on the hook if any provider has an outage. And I can't tell my customers like, hey, we went down because so-and-so went down. That's not acceptable. So for us, we've really moved to bringing things internally. It's kind of opposite of what we preach. We tell our customers, don't build this in-house, but then we're like, we build a lot of stuff in-house. But I think it just really depends on what is in the critical path. We try and have deep ownership of that.Alessio [00:18:46]: On the distributed location side, how does that work for the web where you might get sort of different content in different locations, but the customer is expecting, you know, if you're in the US, I'm expecting the US version. But if you're spinning up my browser in France, I might get the French version. Yeah.Paul [00:19:02]: Yeah. That's a good question. Well, generally, like on the localization, there is a thing called locale in the browser. You can set like what your locale is. If you're like in the ENUS browser or not, but some things do IP, IP based routing. And in that case, you may want to have a proxy. Like let's say you're running something in the, in Europe, but you want to make sure you're showing up from the US. You may want to use one of our proxy features so you can turn on proxies to say like, make sure these connections always come from the United States, which is necessary too, because when you're browsing the web, you're coming from like a, you know, data center IP, and that can make things a lot harder to browse web. So we do have kind of like this proxy super network. Yeah. We have a proxy for you based on where you're going, so you can reliably automate the web. But if you get scheduled in Europe, that doesn't happen as much. We try and schedule you as close to, you know, your origin that you're trying to go to. But generally you have control over the regions you can put your browsers in. So you can specify West one or East one or Europe. We only have one region of Europe right now, actually. Yeah.Alessio [00:19:55]: What's harder, the browser or the proxy? I feel like to me, it feels like actually proxying reliably at scale. It's much harder than spending up browsers at scale. I'm curious. It's all hard.Paul [00:20:06]: It's layers of hard, right? Yeah. I think it's different levels of hard. I think the thing with the proxy infrastructure is that we work with many different web proxy providers and some are better than others. Some have good days, some have bad days. And our customers who've built browser infrastructure on their own, they have to go and deal with sketchy actors. Like first they figure out their own browser infrastructure and then they got to go buy a proxy. And it's like you can pay in Bitcoin and it just kind of feels a little sus, right? It's like you're buying drugs when you're trying to get a proxy online. We have like deep relationships with these counterparties. We're able to audit them and say, is this proxy being sourced ethically? Like it's not running on someone's TV somewhere. Is it free range? Yeah. Free range organic proxies, right? Right. We do a level of diligence. We're SOC 2. So we have to understand what is going on here. But then we're able to make sure that like we route around proxy providers not working. There's proxy providers who will just, the proxy will stop working all of a sudden. And then if you don't have redundant proxying on your own browsers, that's hard down for you or you may get some serious impacts there. With us, like we intelligently know, hey, this proxy is not working. Let's go to this one. And you can kind of build a network of multiple providers to really guarantee the best uptime for our customers. Yeah. So you don't own any proxies? We don't own any proxies. You're right. The team has been saying who wants to like take home a little proxy server, but not yet. We're not there yet. You know?swyx [00:21:25]: It's a very mature market. I don't think you should build that yourself. Like you should just be a super customer of them. Yeah. Scraping, I think, is the main use case for that. I guess. Well, that leads us into CAPTCHAs and also off, but let's talk about CAPTCHAs. You had a little spiel that you wanted to talk about CAPTCHA stuff.Challenges of Scaling Browser InfrastructurePaul [00:21:43]: Oh, yeah. I was just, I think a lot of people ask, if you're thinking about proxies, you're thinking about CAPTCHAs too. I think it's the same thing. You can go buy CAPTCHA solvers online, but it's the same buying experience. It's some sketchy website, you have to integrate it. It's not fun to buy these things and you can't really trust that the docs are bad. What Browserbase does is we integrate a bunch of different CAPTCHAs. We do some stuff in-house, but generally we just integrate with a bunch of known vendors and continually monitor and maintain these things and say, is this working or not? Can we route around it or not? These are CAPTCHA solvers. CAPTCHA solvers, yeah. Not CAPTCHA providers, CAPTCHA solvers. Yeah, sorry. CAPTCHA solvers. We really try and make sure all of that works for you. I think as a dev, if I'm buying infrastructure, I want it all to work all the time and it's important for us to provide that experience by making sure everything does work and monitoring it on our own. Yeah. Right now, the world of CAPTCHAs is tricky. I think AI agents in particular are very much ahead of the internet infrastructure. CAPTCHAs are designed to block all types of bots, but there are now good bots and bad bots. I think in the future, CAPTCHAs will be able to identify who a good bot is, hopefully via some sort of KYC. For us, we've been very lucky. We have very little to no known abuse of Browserbase because we really look into who we work with. And for certain types of CAPTCHA solving, we only allow them on certain types of plans because we want to make sure that we can know what people are doing, what their use cases are. And that's really allowed us to try and be an arbiter of good bots, which is our long term goal. I want to build great relationships with people like Cloudflare so we can agree, hey, here are these acceptable bots. We'll identify them for you and make sure we flag when they come to your website. This is a good bot, you know?Alessio [00:23:23]: I see. And Cloudflare said they want to do more of this. So they're going to set by default, if they think you're an AI bot, they're going to reject. I'm curious if you think this is something that is going to be at the browser level or I mean, the DNS level with Cloudflare seems more where it should belong. But I'm curious how you think about it.Paul [00:23:40]: I think the web's going to change. You know, I think that the Internet as we have it right now is going to change. And we all need to just accept that the cat is out of the bag. And instead of kind of like wishing the Internet was like it was in the 2000s, we can have free content line that wouldn't be scraped. It's just it's not going to happen. And instead, we should think about like, one, how can we change? How can we change the models of, you know, information being published online so people can adequately commercialize it? But two, how do we rebuild applications that expect that AI agents are going to log in on their behalf? Those are the things that are going to allow us to kind of like identify good and bad bots. And I think the team at Clerk has been doing a really good job with this on the authentication side. I actually think that auth is the biggest thing that will prevent agents from accessing stuff, not captchas. And I think there will be agent auth in the future. I don't know if it's going to happen from an individual company, but actually authentication providers that have a, you know, hidden login as agent feature, which will then you put in your email, you'll get a push notification, say like, hey, your browser-based agent wants to log into your Airbnb. You can approve that and then the agent can proceed. That really circumvents the need for captchas or logging in as you and sharing your password. I think agent auth is going to be one way we identify good bots going forward. And I think a lot of this captcha solving stuff is really short-term problems as the internet kind of reorients itself around how it's going to work with agents browsing the web, just like people do. Yeah.Managing Distributed Browser Locations and Proxiesswyx [00:24:59]: Stitch recently was on Hacker News for talking about agent experience, AX, which is a thing that Netlify is also trying to clone and coin and talk about. And we've talked about this on our previous episodes before in a sense that I actually think that's like maybe the only part of the tech stack that needs to be kind of reinvented for agents. Everything else can stay the same, CLIs, APIs, whatever. But auth, yeah, we need agent auth. And it's mostly like short-lived, like it should not, it should be a distinct, identity from the human, but paired. I almost think like in the same way that every social network should have your main profile and then your alt accounts or your Finsta, it's almost like, you know, every, every human token should be paired with the agent token and the agent token can go and do stuff on behalf of the human token, but not be presumed to be the human. Yeah.Paul [00:25:48]: It's like, it's, it's actually very similar to OAuth is what I'm thinking. And, you know, Thread from Stitch is an investor, Colin from Clerk, Octaventures, all investors in browser-based because like, I hope they solve this because they'll make browser-based submission more possible. So we don't have to overcome all these hurdles, but I think it will be an OAuth-like flow where an agent will ask to log in as you, you'll approve the scopes. Like it can book an apartment on Airbnb, but it can't like message anybody. And then, you know, the agent will have some sort of like role-based access control within an application. Yeah. I'm excited for that.swyx [00:26:16]: The tricky part is just, there's one, one layer of delegation here, which is like, you're authoring my user's user or something like that. I don't know if that's tricky or not. Does that make sense? Yeah.Paul [00:26:25]: You know, actually at Twilio, I worked on the login identity and access. Management teams, right? So like I built Twilio's login page.swyx [00:26:31]: You were an intern on that team and then you became the lead in two years? Yeah.Paul [00:26:34]: Yeah. I started as an intern in 2016 and then I was the tech lead of that team. How? That's not normal. I didn't have a life. He's not normal. Look at this guy. I didn't have a girlfriend. I just loved my job. I don't know. I applied to 500 internships for my first job and I got rejected from every single one of them except for Twilio and then eventually Amazon. And they took a shot on me and like, I was getting paid money to write code, which was my dream. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very lucky that like this coding thing worked out because I was going to be doing it regardless. And yeah, I was able to kind of spend a lot of time on a team that was growing at a company that was growing. So it informed a lot of this stuff here. I think these are problems that have been solved with like the SAML protocol with SSO. I think it's a really interesting stuff with like WebAuthn, like these different types of authentication, like schemes that you can use to authenticate people. The tooling is all there. It just needs to be tweaked a little bit to work for agents. And I think the fact that there are companies that are already. Providing authentication as a service really sets it up. Well, the thing that's hard is like reinventing the internet for agents. We don't want to rebuild the internet. That's an impossible task. And I think people often say like, well, we'll have this second layer of APIs built for agents. I'm like, we will for the top use cases, but instead of we can just tweak the internet as is, which is on the authentication side, I think we're going to be the dumb ones going forward. Unfortunately, I think AI is going to be able to do a lot of the tasks that we do online, which means that it will be able to go to websites, click buttons on our behalf and log in on our behalf too. So with this kind of like web agent future happening, I think with some small structural changes, like you said, it feels like it could all slot in really nicely with the existing internet.Handling CAPTCHAs and Agent Authenticationswyx [00:28:08]: There's one more thing, which is the, your live view iframe, which lets you take, take control. Yeah. Obviously very key for operator now, but like, was, is there anything interesting technically there or that the people like, well, people always want this.Paul [00:28:21]: It was really hard to build, you know, like, so, okay. Headless browsers, you don't see them, right. They're running. They're running in a cloud somewhere. You can't like look at them. And I just want to really make, it's a weird name. I wish we came up with a better name for this thing, but you can't see them. Right. But customers don't trust AI agents, right. At least the first pass. So what we do with our live view is that, you know, when you use browser base, you can actually embed a live view of the browser running in the cloud for your customer to see it working. And that's what the first reason is the build trust, like, okay, so I have this script. That's going to go automate a website. I can embed it into my web application via an iframe and my customer can watch. I think. And then we added two way communication. So now not only can you watch the browser kind of being operated by AI, if you want to pause and actually click around type within this iframe that's controlling a browser, that's also possible. And this is all thanks to some of the lower level protocol, which is called the Chrome DevTools protocol. It has a API called start screencast, and you can also send mouse clicks and button clicks to a remote browser. And this is all embeddable within iframes. You have a browser within a browser, yo. And then you simulate the screen, the click on the other side. Exactly. And this is really nice often for, like, let's say, a capture that can't be solved. You saw this with Operator, you know, Operator actually uses a different approach. They use VNC. So, you know, you're able to see, like, you're seeing the whole window here. What we're doing is something a little lower level with the Chrome DevTools protocol. It's just PNGs being streamed over the wire. But the same thing is true, right? Like, hey, I'm running a window. Pause. Can you do something in this window? Human. Okay, great. Resume. Like sometimes 2FA tokens. Like if you get that text message, you might need a person to type that in. Web agents need human-in-the-loop type workflows still. You still need a person to interact with the browser. And building a UI to proxy that is kind of hard. You may as well just show them the whole browser and say, hey, can you finish this up for me? And then let the AI proceed on afterwards. Is there a future where I stream my current desktop to browser base? I don't think so. I think we're very much cloud infrastructure. Yeah. You know, but I think a lot of the stuff we're doing, we do want to, like, build tools. Like, you know, we'll talk about the stage and, you know, web agent framework in a second. But, like, there's a case where a lot of people are going desktop first for, you know, consumer use. And I think cloud is doing a lot of this, where I expect to see, you know, MCPs really oriented around the cloud desktop app for a reason, right? Like, I think a lot of these tools are going to run on your computer because it makes... I think it's breaking out. People are putting it on a server. Oh, really? Okay. Well, sweet. We'll see. We'll see that. I was surprised, though, wasn't I? I think that the browser company, too, with Dia Browser, it runs on your machine. You know, it's going to be...swyx [00:30:50]: What is it?Paul [00:30:51]: So, Dia Browser, as far as I understand... I used to use Arc. Yeah. I haven't used Arc. But I'm a big fan of the browser company. I think they're doing a lot of cool stuff in consumer. As far as I understand, it's a browser where you have a sidebar where you can, like, chat with it and it can control the local browser on your machine. So, if you imagine, like, what a consumer web agent is, which it lives alongside your browser, I think Google Chrome has Project Marina, I think. I almost call it Project Marinara for some reason. I don't know why. It's...swyx [00:31:17]: No, I think it's someone really likes the Waterworld. Oh, I see. The classic Kevin Costner. Yeah.Paul [00:31:22]: Okay. Project Marinara is a similar thing to the Dia Browser, in my mind, as far as I understand it. You have a browser that has an AI interface that will take over your mouse and keyboard and control the browser for you. Great for consumer use cases. But if you're building applications that rely on a browser and it's more part of a greater, like, AI app experience, you probably need something that's more like infrastructure, not a consumer app.swyx [00:31:44]: Just because I have explored a little bit in this area, do people want branching? So, I have the state. Of whatever my browser's in. And then I want, like, 100 clones of this state. Do people do that? Or...Paul [00:31:56]: People don't do it currently. Yeah. But it's definitely something we're thinking about. I think the idea of forking a browser is really cool. Technically, kind of hard. We're starting to see this in code execution, where people are, like, forking some, like, code execution, like, processes or forking some tool calls or branching tool calls. Haven't seen it at the browser level yet. But it makes sense. Like, if an AI agent is, like, using a website and it's not sure what path it wants to take to crawl this website. To find the information it's looking for. It would make sense for it to explore both paths in parallel. And that'd be a very, like... A road not taken. Yeah. And hopefully find the right answer. And then say, okay, this was actually the right one. And memorize that. And go there in the future. On the roadmap. For sure. Don't make my roadmap, please. You know?Alessio [00:32:37]: How do you actually do that? Yeah. How do you fork? I feel like the browser is so stateful for so many things.swyx [00:32:42]: Serialize the state. Restore the state. I don't know.Paul [00:32:44]: So, it's one of the reasons why we haven't done it yet. It's hard. You know? Like, to truly fork, it's actually quite difficult. The naive way is to open the same page in a new tab and then, like, hope that it's at the same thing. But if you have a form halfway filled, you may have to, like, take the whole, you know, container. Pause it. All the memory. Duplicate it. Restart it from there. It could be very slow. So, we haven't found a thing. Like, the easy thing to fork is just, like, copy the page object. You know? But I think there needs to be something a little bit more robust there. Yeah.swyx [00:33:12]: So, MorphLabs has this infinite branch thing. Like, wrote a custom fork of Linux or something that let them save the system state and clone it. MorphLabs, hit me up. I'll be a customer. Yeah. That's the only. I think that's the only way to do it. Yeah. Like, unless Chrome has some special API for you. Yeah.Paul [00:33:29]: There's probably something we'll reverse engineer one day. I don't know. Yeah.Alessio [00:33:32]: Let's talk about StageHand, the AI web browsing framework. You have three core components, Observe, Extract, and Act. Pretty clean landing page. What was the idea behind making a framework? Yeah.Stagehand: AI web browsing frameworkPaul [00:33:43]: So, there's three frameworks that are very popular or already exist, right? Puppeteer, Playwright, Selenium. Those are for building hard-coded scripts to control websites. And as soon as I started to play with LLMs plus browsing, I caught myself, you know, code-genning Playwright code to control a website. I would, like, take the DOM. I'd pass it to an LLM. I'd say, can you generate the Playwright code to click the appropriate button here? And it would do that. And I was like, this really should be part of the frameworks themselves. And I became really obsessed with SDKs that take natural language as part of, like, the API input. And that's what StageHand is. StageHand exposes three APIs, and it's a super set of Playwright. So, if you go to a page, you may want to take an action, click on the button, fill in the form, etc. That's what the act command is for. You may want to extract some data. This one takes a natural language, like, extract the winner of the Super Bowl from this page. You can give it a Zod schema, so it returns a structured output. And then maybe you're building an API. You can do an agent loop, and you want to kind of see what actions are possible on this page before taking one. You can do observe. So, you can observe the actions on the page, and it will generate a list of actions. You can guide it, like, give me actions on this page related to buying an item. And you can, like, buy it now, add to cart, view shipping options, and pass that to an LLM, an agent loop, to say, what's the appropriate action given this high-level goal? So, StageHand isn't a web agent. It's a framework for building web agents. And we think that agent loops are actually pretty close to the application layer because every application probably has different goals or different ways it wants to take steps. I don't think I've seen a generic. Maybe you guys are the experts here. I haven't seen, like, a really good AI agent framework here. Everyone kind of has their own special sauce, right? I see a lot of developers building their own agent loops, and they're using tools. And I view StageHand as the browser tool. So, we expose act, extract, observe. Your agent can call these tools. And from that, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about generating playwright code performantly. You don't have to worry about running it. You can kind of just integrate these three tool calls into your agent loop and reliably automate the web.swyx [00:35:48]: A special shout-out to Anirudh, who I met at your dinner, who I think listens to the pod. Yeah. Hey, Anirudh.Paul [00:35:54]: Anirudh's a man. He's a StageHand guy.swyx [00:35:56]: I mean, the interesting thing about each of these APIs is they're kind of each startup. Like, specifically extract, you know, Firecrawler is extract. There's, like, Expand AI. There's a whole bunch of, like, extract companies. They just focus on extract. I'm curious. Like, I feel like you guys are going to collide at some point. Like, right now, it's friendly. Everyone's in a blue ocean. At some point, it's going to be valuable enough that there's some turf battle here. I don't think you have a dog in a fight. I think you can mock extract to use an external service if they're better at it than you. But it's just an observation that, like, in the same way that I see each option, each checkbox in the side of custom GBTs becoming a startup or each box in the Karpathy chart being a startup. Like, this is also becoming a thing. Yeah.Paul [00:36:41]: I mean, like, so the way StageHand works is that it's MIT-licensed, completely open source. You bring your own API key to your LLM of choice. You could choose your LLM. We don't make any money off of the extract or really. We only really make money if you choose to run it with our browser. You don't have to. You can actually use your own browser, a local browser. You know, StageHand is completely open source for that reason. And, yeah, like, I think if you're building really complex web scraping workflows, I don't know if StageHand is the tool for you. I think it's really more if you're building an AI agent that needs a few general tools or if it's doing a lot of, like, web automation-intensive work. But if you're building a scraping company, StageHand is not your thing. You probably want something that's going to, like, get HTML content, you know, convert that to Markdown, query it. That's not what StageHand does. StageHand is more about reliability. I think we focus a lot on reliability and less so on cost optimization and speed at this point.swyx [00:37:33]: I actually feel like StageHand, so the way that StageHand works, it's like, you know, page.act, click on the quick start. Yeah. It's kind of the integration test for the code that you would have to write anyway, like the Puppeteer code that you have to write anyway. And when the page structure changes, because it always does, then this is still the test. This is still the test that I would have to write. Yeah. So it's kind of like a testing framework that doesn't need implementation detail.Paul [00:37:56]: Well, yeah. I mean, Puppeteer, Playwright, and Slenderman were all designed as testing frameworks, right? Yeah. And now people are, like, hacking them together to automate the web. I would say, and, like, maybe this is, like, me being too specific. But, like, when I write tests, if the page structure changes. Without me knowing, I want that test to fail. So I don't know if, like, AI, like, regenerating that. Like, people are using StageHand for testing. But it's more for, like, usability testing, not, like, testing of, like, does the front end, like, has it changed or not. Okay. But generally where we've seen people, like, really, like, take off is, like, if they're using, you know, something. If they want to build a feature in their application that's kind of like Operator or Deep Research, they're using StageHand to kind of power that tool calling in their own agent loop. Okay. Cool.swyx [00:38:37]: So let's go into Operator, the first big agent launch of the year from OpenAI. Seems like they have a whole bunch scheduled. You were on break and your phone blew up. What's your just general view of computer use agents is what they're calling it. The overall category before we go into Open Operator, just the overall promise of Operator. I will observe that I tried it once. It was okay. And I never tried it again.OpenAI's Operator and computer use agentsPaul [00:38:58]: That tracks with my experience, too. Like, I'm a huge fan of the OpenAI team. Like, I think that I do not view Operator as the company. I'm not a company killer for browser base at all. I think it actually shows people what's possible. I think, like, computer use models make a lot of sense. And I'm actually most excited about computer use models is, like, their ability to, like, really take screenshots and reasoning and output steps. I think that using mouse click or mouse coordinates, I've seen that proved to be less reliable than I would like. And I just wonder if that's the right form factor. What we've done with our framework is anchor it to the DOM itself, anchor it to the actual item. So, like, if it's clicking on something, it's clicking on that thing, you know? Like, it's more accurate. No matter where it is. Yeah, exactly. Because it really ties in nicely. And it can handle, like, the whole viewport in one go, whereas, like, Operator can only handle what it sees. Can you hover? Is hovering a thing that you can do? I don't know if we expose it as a tool directly, but I'm sure there's, like, an API for hovering. Like, move mouse to this position. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can trigger hover, like, via, like, the JavaScript on the DOM itself. But, no, I think, like, when we saw computer use, everyone's eyes lit up because they realized, like, wow, like, AI is going to actually automate work for people. And I think seeing that kind of happen from both of the labs, and I'm sure we're going to see more labs launch computer use models, I'm excited to see all the stuff that people build with it. I think that I'd love to see computer use power, like, controlling a browser on browser base. And I think, like, Open Operator, which was, like, our open source version of OpenAI's Operator, was our first take on, like, how can we integrate these models into browser base? And we handle the infrastructure and let the labs do the models. I don't have a sense that Operator will be released as an API. I don't know. Maybe it will. I'm curious to see how well that works because I think it's going to be really hard for a company like OpenAI to do things like support CAPTCHA solving or, like, have proxies. Like, I think it's hard for them structurally. Imagine this New York Times headline, OpenAI CAPTCHA solving. Like, that would be a pretty bad headline, this New York Times headline. Browser base solves CAPTCHAs. No one cares. No one cares. And, like, our investors are bored. Like, we're all okay with this, you know? We're building this company knowing that the CAPTCHA solving is short-lived until we figure out how to authenticate good bots. I think it's really hard for a company like OpenAI, who has this brand that's so, so good, to balance with, like, the icky parts of web automation, which it can be kind of complex to solve. I'm sure OpenAI knows who to call whenever they need you. Yeah, right. I'm sure they'll have a great partnership.Alessio [00:41:23]: And is Open Operator just, like, a marketing thing for you? Like, how do you think about resource allocation? So, you can spin this up very quickly. And now there's all this, like, open deep research, just open all these things that people are building. We started it, you know. You're the original Open. We're the original Open operator, you know? Is it just, hey, look, this is a demo, but, like, we'll help you build out an actual product for yourself? Like, are you interested in going more of a product route? That's kind of the OpenAI way, right? They started as a model provider and then…Paul [00:41:53]: Yeah, we're not interested in going the product route yet. I view Open Operator as a model provider. It's a reference project, you know? Let's show people how to build these things using the infrastructure and models that are out there. And that's what it is. It's, like, Open Operator is very simple. It's an agent loop. It says, like, take a high-level goal, break it down into steps, use tool calling to accomplish those steps. It takes screenshots and feeds those screenshots into an LLM with the step to generate the right action. It uses stagehand under the hood to actually execute this action. It doesn't use a computer use model. And it, like, has a nice interface using the live view that we talked about, the iframe, to embed that into an application. So I felt like people on launch day wanted to figure out how to build their own version of this. And we turned that around really quickly to show them. And I hope we do that with other things like deep research. We don't have a deep research launch yet. I think David from AOMNI actually has an amazing open deep research that he launched. It has, like, 10K GitHub stars now. So he's crushing that. But I think if people want to build these features natively into their application, they need good reference projects. And I think Open Operator is a good example of that.swyx [00:42:52]: I don't know. Actually, I'm actually pretty bullish on API-driven operator. Because that's the only way that you can sort of, like, once it's reliable enough, obviously. And now we're nowhere near. But, like, give it five years. It'll happen, you know. And then you can sort of spin this up and browsers are working in the background and you don't necessarily have to know. And it just is booking restaurants for you, whatever. I can definitely see that future happening. I had this on the landing page here. This might be a slightly out of order. But, you know, you have, like, sort of three use cases for browser base. Open Operator. Or this is the operator sort of use case. It's kind of like the workflow automation use case. And it completes with UiPath in the sort of RPA category. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would agree with that. And then there's Agents we talked about already. And web scraping, which I imagine would be the bulk of your workload right now, right?Paul [00:43:40]: No, not at all. I'd say actually, like, the majority is browser automation. We're kind of expensive for web scraping. Like, I think that if you're building a web scraping product, if you need to do occasional web scraping or you have to do web scraping that works every single time, you want to use browser automation. Yeah. You want to use browser-based. But if you're building web scraping workflows, what you should do is have a waterfall. You should have the first request is a curl to the website. See if you can get it without even using a browser. And then the second request may be, like, a scraping-specific API. There's, like, a thousand scraping APIs out there that you can use to try and get data. Scraping B. Scraping B is a great example, right? Yeah. And then, like, if those two don't work, bring out the heavy hitter. Like, browser-based will 100% work, right? It will load the page in a real browser, hydrate it. I see.swyx [00:44:21]: Because a lot of people don't render to JS.swyx [00:44:25]: Yeah, exactly.Paul [00:44:26]: So, I mean, the three big use cases, right? Like, you know, automation, web data collection, and then, you know, if you're building anything agentic that needs, like, a browser tool, you want to use browser-based.Alessio [00:44:35]: Is there any use case that, like, you were super surprised by that people might not even think about? Oh, yeah. Or is it, yeah, anything that you can share? The long tail is crazy. Yeah.Surprising use cases of BrowserbasePaul [00:44:44]: One of the case studies on our website that I think is the most interesting is this company called Benny. So, the way that it works is if you're on food stamps in the United States, you can actually get rebates if you buy certain things. Yeah. You buy some vegetables. You submit your receipt to the government. They'll give you a little rebate back. Say, hey, thanks for buying vegetables. It's good for you. That process of submitting that receipt is very painful. And the way Benny works is you use their app to take a photo of your receipt, and then Benny will go submit that receipt for you and then deposit the money into your account. That's actually using no AI at all. It's all, like, hard-coded scripts. They maintain the scripts. They've been doing a great job. And they build this amazing consumer app. But it's an example of, like, all these, like, tedious workflows that people have to do to kind of go about their business. And they're doing it for the sake of their day-to-day lives. And I had never known about, like, food stamp rebates or the complex forms you have to do to fill them. But the world is powered by millions and millions of tedious forms, visas. You know, Emirate Lighthouse is a customer, right? You know, they do the O1 visa. Millions and millions of forms are taking away humans' time. And I hope that Browserbase can help power software that automates away the web forms that we don't need anymore. Yeah.swyx [00:45:49]: I mean, I'm very supportive of that. I mean, forms. I do think, like, government itself is a big part of it. I think the government itself should embrace AI more to do more sort of human-friendly form filling. Mm-hmm. But I'm not optimistic. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah. We'll see. Okay. I think I'm about to zoom out. I have a little brief thing on computer use, and then we can talk about founder stuff, which is, I tend to think of developer tooling markets in impossible triangles, where everyone starts in a niche, and then they start to branch out. So I already hinted at a little bit of this, right? We mentioned more. We mentioned E2B. We mentioned Firecrawl. And then there's Browserbase. So there's, like, all this stuff of, like, have serverless virtual computer that you give to an agent and let them do stuff with it. And there's various ways of connecting it to the internet. You can just connect to a search API, like SERP API, whatever other, like, EXA is another one. That's what you're searching. You can also have a JSON markdown extractor, which is Firecrawl. Or you can have a virtual browser like Browserbase, or you can have a virtual machine like Morph. And then there's also maybe, like, a virtual sort of code environment, like Code Interpreter. So, like, there's just, like, a bunch of different ways to tackle the problem of give a computer to an agent. And I'm just kind of wondering if you see, like, everyone's just, like, happily coexisting in their respective niches. And as a developer, I just go and pick, like, a shopping basket of one of each. Or do you think that you eventually, people will collide?Future of browser automation and market competitionPaul [00:47:18]: I think that currently it's not a zero-sum market. Like, I think we're talking about... I think we're talking about all of knowledge work that people do that can be automated online. All of these, like, trillions of hours that happen online where people are working. And I think that there's so much software to be built that, like, I tend not to think about how these companies will collide. I just try to solve the problem as best as I can and make this specific piece of infrastructure, which I think is an important primitive, the best I possibly can. And yeah. I think there's players that are actually going to like it. I think there's players that are going to launch, like, over-the-top, you know, platforms, like agent platforms that have all these tools built in, right? Like, who's building the rippling for agent tools that has the search tool, the browser tool, the operating system tool, right? There are some. There are some. There are some, right? And I think in the end, what I have seen as my time as a developer, and I look at all the favorite tools that I have, is that, like, for tools and primitives with sufficient levels of complexity, you need to have a solution that's really bespoke to that primitive, you know? And I am sufficiently convinced that the browser is complex enough to deserve a primitive. Obviously, I have to. I'm the founder of BrowserBase, right? I'm talking my book. But, like, I think maybe I can give you one spicy take against, like, maybe just whole OS running. I think that when I look at computer use when it first came out, I saw that the majority of use cases for computer use were controlling a browser. And do we really need to run an entire operating system just to control a browser? I don't think so. I don't think that's necessary. You know, BrowserBase can run browsers for way cheaper than you can if you're running a full-fledged OS with a GUI, you know, operating system. And I think that's just an advantage of the browser. It is, like, browsers are little OSs, and you can run them very efficiently if you orchestrate it well. And I think that allows us to offer 90% of the, you know, functionality in the platform needed at 10% of the cost of running a full OS. Yeah.Open Operator: Browserbase's Open-Source Alternativeswyx [00:49:16]: I definitely see the logic in that. There's a Mark Andreessen quote. I don't know if you know this one. Where he basically observed that the browser is turning the operating system into a poorly debugged set of device drivers, because most of the apps are moved from the OS to the browser. So you can just run browsers.Paul [00:49:31]: There's a place for OSs, too. Like, I think that there are some applications that only run on Windows operating systems. And Eric from pig.dev in this upcoming YC batch, or last YC batch, like, he's building all run tons of Windows operating systems for you to control with your agent. And like, there's some legacy EHR systems that only run on Internet-controlled systems. Yeah.Paul [00:49:54]: I think that's it. I think, like, there are use cases for specific operating systems for specific legacy software. And like, I'm excited to see what he does with that. I just wanted to give a shout out to the pig.dev website.swyx [00:50:06]: The pigs jump when you click on them. Yeah. That's great.Paul [00:50:08]: Eric, he's the former co-founder of banana.dev, too.swyx [00:50:11]: Oh, that Eric. Yeah. That Eric. Okay. Well, he abandoned bananas for pigs. I hope he doesn't start going around with pigs now.Alessio [00:50:18]: Like he was going around with bananas. A little toy pig. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. What else are we missing? I think we covered a lot of, like, the browser-based product history, but. What do you wish people asked you? Yeah.Paul [00:50:29]: I wish people asked me more about, like, what will the future of software look like? Because I think that's really where I've spent a lot of time about why do browser-based. Like, for me, starting a company is like a means of last resort. Like, you shouldn't start a company unless you absolutely have to. And I remain convinced that the future of software is software that you're going to click a button and it's going to do stuff on your behalf. Right now, software. You click a button and it maybe, like, calls it back an API and, like, computes some numbers. It, like, modifies some text, whatever. But the future of software is software using software. So, I may log into my accounting website for my business, click a button, and it's going to go load up my Gmail, search my emails, find the thing, upload the receipt, and then comment it for me. Right? And it may use it using APIs, maybe a browser. I don't know. I think it's a little bit of both. But that's completely different from how we've built software so far. And that's. I think that future of software has different infrastructure requirements. It's going to require different UIs. It's going to require different pieces of infrastructure. I think the browser infrastructure is one piece that fits into that, along with all the other categories you mentioned. So, I think that it's going to require developers to think differently about how they've built software for, you know

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Geoffrey Guy is a medical doctor, former Pharmaceutical executive and millionaire philanthropist of the Guy Foundation, aimed at advancing medicine through quantum biology.This interview is an introduction to quantum biology, quantum biological phenomena in life and the key role of the mitochondrion in health and disease. The Guy Foundation recently released a report on Spaceflight & human health through a quantum biology lens - see my previous episode for my analysis of that report.Follow the GUY FOUNDATIONWebsite: https://www.theguyfoundation.org/YouTube: https://youtube.com/@theguyfoundationLEARN about Light & Health with me....

Can humans thrive in space? Or is Elon Musk's idea of humans as spacefaring civilization a doomed endeavour? I present a summary of the Guy Foundation's recent report on Spaceflight and human health, accelerated ageing and mitochondrial dysfunction in space, and what this might mean for health and chronic disease here on planet earth.Read the full report here - https://www.theguyfoundation.org/space-health/LEARN about Light & Health with me....

Hoy nos levantamos con la triste noticia del fallecimiento de Quincy Jones, cantante, arreglista y productor de los nombres más importantes de la música del siglo XX y parte del XXI: desde Count Basie a Frank Sinatra, pasando por Ray Charles y, por supuesto, Michael Jackson. Quincy Jones también produjo la famosa "We Are The World", canción benéfica en la que participaron Ray Charles, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, Billy Joel, Stevie Wonder, Cyndi Lauper, Huey Lewis, Bob Dylan o Bruce Springsteen. Escuchamos dos de las nuevas canciones de The Cure, lo nuevo de The Weeknd junto a Anitta, a Leiva con Gigante, los nuevos singles de The Horrors, Inhaler, The Black Keys, Bartees Strange y King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard. XIMENA SARIÑANA - FrágilSEN SENRA - AtaúdMICHAEL JACKSON - Don't Stop 'Till You Get EnoughTHE WEEKND ft ANITTA- São PaoloTYLER, THE CREATOR - St. ChromaTHE CURE - And Nothing Is ForeverTHE CURE - Drone NodroneTHE HORRORS - Trial By FireBARTEES STRANGE - Too MuchTHE BLACK KEYS - I'm With The Band (feat. Beck)INHALER - Your HouseKING GIZZARD & THE LIZARD WIZARD - Phantom IslandLEIVA - GiganteTUNDE ADEBIMPE - Magnetic Escuchar audio

I share my personal journey suffering from acne and irritable bowel syndrome, finding low carb nutrition then eventually circadian & quantum biology. Along the way I meet Dr Paul Saladino, Dr Jack Kruse in Central America, start the Regenerative Health Podcast and advocate for chronic disease reversal. I was interviewed by my good friend Simon Lewis, my co-founder in REGENERATE and co-founder of How To Carnivore alongside Dr Anthony Chaffee. Check out his YouTube Channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@howtocarnivore/Sign up for my first Circadian Health Retreat in Byron Bay Hinterland, NSW from Nov 29 - December 2nd, 2024 - https://forms.gle/DncHUvXtWVoVQtpW9LEARN about Light & Health with me....

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/AnalyticTyler, The Creator's ChromakopiaJoin Analytic Dreamz as we dive into Tyler, The Creator's latest masterpiece, "Chromakopia." In this segment, we explore the album's unexpected launch at LA's Intuit Dome, attended by a massive 17,000 fans, and its unconventional Monday morning release strategy.Analytic Dreamz dissects the thematic richness of Chromakopia, highlighting Tyler's evolution through tracks that delve into personal growth, fatherhood, and self-reflection. We'll analyze standout lyrics and discuss how Tyler blends his past musical styles into a new, introspective soundscape, marked by a distinctive militaristic aesthetic.The segment also covers notable collaborations with artists like Doechii, GloRilla, Sexyy Red, Schoolboy Q, and Lil Wayne, focusing on the potentially chart-topping track "Sticky." Additionally, Analytic Dreamz uncovers the exclusive vinyl tracks and Easter eggs that fans can only find in physical formats.We'll review the album's monumental first-day streaming success, its potential to top the Billboard 200 charts, and discuss the upcoming Chromakopia World Tour, featuring opening acts Lil Yachty and Paris Texas, alongside the much-anticipated Camp Flog Gnaw Carnival.Tune in for an in-depth analysis of how Chromakopia not only reflects Tyler's personal journey but also marks a significant moment in hip-hop culture.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/analytic-dreamz-notorious-mass-effect/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This week Démar and Adriel discuss Tyler, the Creator's eighth studio album 'CHROMAKOPIA ', how his production has had a slight regression and how Tyler, the Creator has reached a point where we care enough to release such a personal album.Démar's rating: 7 / 10Adriel's rating: 7.5 / 10The Love List: St. Chroma, Sticky, I Killed You, Balloon, Hey Jane, Darling, I, Thought I Was DeadTIMECODES:3:26 - Fans that have to be like Tyler5:49 - Difference from Goblin to Cherry Bomb / Childish & Cudi7:26 - NOID / NO ID10:05 - Tyler is their Kanye / what Kanye used to do13:23 - Test case for how you hear an album14:00 - Quote from Tyler16:40 - Knows how to make intro's  17:37 - Making them blend17:51 - St Chroma20:08  - Sticky is simplistic23:35 - Mashup of all his sounds on this project “Rah Tah Tah”   25:44 - Darling I27:10 - Grabbing from all his sounds  31:26 - Dark and sad guitar on sad a35:14 - Lil Wayne and Tyler don't miss35:44 - Doechii37:40 - Glo best feature / distinct voice     41:15 - Hey Jane / pregnancy scare48:30 - Going through a fear on inadequacy52:26 - Better lyrically dance albums53:02 - Tried to escape being funny56:27 - Part of the new big58:44 - Being left of center59:57 - Looks different every time a project comes out1:02:00 - Almost a throw back1:09:36 - The cover1:12:30 - Move the goal post of what's good1:13:45 - Scores Follow us:YOUTUBE:https://www.youtube.com/@AlbumModeTikTok:Album Mode: https://www.tiktok.com/@albummodepod Adriel: https://www.tiktok.com/@adrielsmileydotcom Démar: https://www.tiktok.com/@godkingdemi Instagram:Album Mode: https://www.instagram.com/albummodepod/ Adriel: https://www.instagram.com/adrielsmileydotcom/ Démar: https://www.instagram.com/demarjgrant/ Twitter:Album Mode: https://twitter.com/AlbumModepod Adriel: https://twitter.com/AdrielSmiley_ Démar: https://twitter.com/DemarJGrantTyler, The Creator - CHROMAKOPIA / 2024 / hip hop, soul, pop,

#TylerTheCreator #DanielCaesar #St.Chroma #Rap S10 Officially kicks off the Music Critic is ready to talk about the top charts of pop songs, rap songs and more. Get ready to laugh and cry. ,daniel caesar,st chroma tyler the creator,the creator - st. chroma ft daniel caesar,the creator - st. chroma ft daniel caesar lyrics,the creatorc – st. chroma ft daniel caesar,the creatorc – st. chroma ft daniel caesar lyrics,tyler the creator,tyler the creator album,tyler the creator chromakopia,tyler the creator new album,tyler the creator reaction,tyler the creator st chroma,tyler the creator st chroma reaction,tyler the creator type beat

Justin Crawford runs runs Balgowan Beef Co in the KZN Midlands of South Africa. He runs indigenous African Sanga cattle breed Nguni, in an intensive rotational grazing setup and sells this fully grassfed beef direct-to-consumer.We discuss the future of decentralized food production, why Nguni genetics are so suited to chemical-free & regenerative practices, quality of Nguni beef, key lessons operating a direct-to-consumer operation and much more.SUPPORT my work by purchasing from the following links:

This week on High Agency, Raza Habib is joined by Chroma founder Jeff Huber. They cover the evolution of vector databases in AI engineering, challenge common assumptions about RAG and share insights from Chroma's journey. Jeff shares insights from Chroma's development, including their focus on developer experience and observations about real-world usage patterns. They also get into whether or not we can expect a super AI any time soon and what is over and under hyped in the industry today. 00:00 - Introduction02:30 - Why vector databases matter for AI06:00 - Understanding embeddings and similarity search12:00 - Chroma early days15:45 - Problems with existing vector database solutions19:30 - Workload patterns in AI applications23:40 - Real-world use cases and search applications27:15 - The problem with RAG terminology31:45 - Dynamic retrieval and model interactions35:30 - Email processing and instruction management39:15 - Context windows vs vector databases42:30 - Enterprise adoption and production systems45:45 - The journey from GPT-3 to production AI48:15 - Internal vs customer-facing applications51:00 - Advice for AI engineers--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Humanloop is an Integrated Development Environment for Large Language Models. It enables product teams to develop LLM-based applications that are reliable and scalable. To find out more go to humanloop.com

I explain the biological effects of key light wavelengths on human health, the role of Vitamin D, and the concept of 'skin type:latitude mismatch' to guide safe UV exposure based on ancestral origin.Watch this presentation on YouTube to see slide presentation with diagrams. This presentation was delivered for Genbiome Clinic, Sydney, Patient Salon.Sign up for my first Circadian Health Retreat in Byron Bay Hinterland, NSW from Nov 29 - December 2nd, 2024 - https://forms.gle/DncHUvXtWVoVQtpW9LEARN about Light & Health with me....

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Fun with Meth! We're slowiy getting back into the swing of things, so let's just crack on with nine songs from Bambies, Dystopian Futures, The Zac Shultze Gang, Chroma, Rochee And The Sarnos, Death Sells, Eagle Spits, Necro Weasel and The Dumpies.Voice of Jeff, Comedy Suburbs, meth, Tony has your Facebook comments, show gap, last week, ill, house hunting, work is improving, Almighty Johnsons, England, lodger, From the Vaults, Tony's International Gig Guide, this week, Icicle Works, no Izzatwat, Quiz Time for Tony, USA, Yorkshire and a reminder of the ways you can listen.Song 1: Bambies - MuteSong 2: Dystopian Futures – Dynamic TheorySong 3: The Zac Shultze Gang - WomanSong 4: Chroma – Bombs AwaySong 5: Rochee And The Sarnos – Rochee Is A MonsterSong 6: Death Sells – Dark GlovesSong 7: Eagle Spits – You!Song 8: Necro Weasel – Lord Of LiesSong 9: The Dumpies – Locked Groove

Dr. Roger Seheult is a world leading medical educator and practicing Intensive Care physician from  California, USA also board-certified in respiratory, sleep and internal medicine. He is the founder of the Medcram YouTube channel and has recently been the use of heliotherapy for patients with acute viral respiratory infections.We discuss the importance of circadian rhyhtms, how infrared light is interacting with life, mitochondria and disease, problems of artificial light at nigth and the indoor environment, how to educate people on light as medicine and much much more.LEARN about Light & Health with me....

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In this presentation I cover the evidence for greater sunlight & ultraviolet light exposure & lower all-cause death. I also make the case for a decentralized approach to chronic disease prevention & management, and the role pharmaceutical industry influence in medicine. This presentation was delivered for the Australian Medical Network,   https://www.australianmedicalnetwork.com/. Head to YouTube to watch with slides.Watch my podcast with Alexis Cowan, PhD if you enjoyed this presentation: https://youtu.be/EThEGCFfqdISUPPORT my work by purchasing from the following links:

Octavia Warren, also known as the Millennial CEO, is the founder and CEO of Creative Juice, a multicultural branding and marketing agency, she started back in 2013. Creative Juice has always been at the forefront of multicultural branding and marketing, working with clients like The Home Depot, The City of Atlanta, Emory University, Microsoft, Equifax, Cox, and MARTA to name a few. She realized there was an untapped potential in specifically addressing the needs of Black audiences and entrepreneurs. Chroma Creators™ was born from this insight to bridge the gap between brands and the dynamic, multigenerational Black community. Octavia holds a BFA from SCAD Atlanta, from which she received the 2018 Emerging Alumna award. She is also a 2017 Power 30 Under 30 award recipient, is a member of EO Atlanta and a Goldman Sachs 10KSB alumni. In her spare time, she serves as a mentor for the Goldman Sachs One Million Black Women program.

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In this episode, David interviews Mason Gold, the owner of House of Chroma, about his experience with Destroy the Hairdresser (DTH). Mason shares how he discovered DTH through a friend and how it resonated with his desire for artistic freedom and creativity. He discusses the transition to hourly pricing and the positive impact it has had on his income and the perception of his salon. Mason also talks about the importance of personal awareness and understanding one's most and least desired feelings. He highlights the challenges and rewards of working with a coach and the changes he has seen in his team and clients since implementing DTH methods.

Welcome to the Aggravated Chaos Podcast! In this episode, host Cryistal Chaos dives deep the makings of Chroma Daddy with owner and founder Matt Razook, the MalibuC drama continues and we play are you smarter than a 5th grader, who do you think wins? ⁠SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE⁠ ⁠PODCAST INSTAGRAM PAGE⁠ CHROMA DADDY INSTAGRAM MATTS INSTAGRAM WWW.CHROMADADDY.COM Use code AGGRAVATED to save 20% on Chroma Daddy color! CHAOS X FASHION [COLOR] EDUCATION VIEWER/LISTENER EMAIL ⁠chaosaggravated@gmail.com⁠ Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe!

Chroma is an open-source AI application database. Anton Troynikov is a Founder at Chroma. He has a background in computer vision and previously worked at Meta. In this episode Anton speaks with Sean Falconer about Chroma, and the goal of building the memory and storage subsystem for the new computing primitive that AI models represent. The post Chroma's Vector Database with Anton Troynikov appeared first on Software Engineering Daily.

Developer Drew Baumann joins Marty and Eric to talk about the latest Vision Pro news and speak about the Chroma Spatial Cinema app. NEWS Beta Releases Apple Seeds Fourth VisionOS 2 Beta to Developers VisionOS 1.3 Release Candidate Now Available to Developers for Testing Reviews from the UK I tried Apple Vision Pro and it made me rethink everything New Environment Apple Vision Pro Gains New Lake Vrangla Environment Lake Vrangla immersive environment appears for all Apple Vision Pro users Enterprise Use Taqtile's Manifest Maker AR Work Instruction Platform Now Available On Vision Pro Future options Future Apple Vision Pro update could let users create their own gestures APPS Chroma Spatial Cinema app Task Flow: Tasks & Checklist FLY Virtual Pool IRL VisionPool

"We used to roll up socks in our shoes to give us an extra inch." The childhood friends talk about coming of age in Belfast and their label and event series, CHROMA. Bicep—the Irish duo Andrew Ferguson and Matthew McBriar—have been winning over the hearts of fans with trance-inflected, melancholic dance music since 2009. In this interview with RA editor Gabriel Szatan, the childhood friends talk about how they got where they are, unpacking their creative process and the abiding musical influence of their hometown, Belfast, a city where emotional trance reigned supreme. They also discuss their ongoing multidisciplinary project, CHROMA—a record label, event series and evolving live audiovisual show. Ferguson and McBriar say that the idea for CHROMA came from a sense that their DJ sets were becoming too "sugary," so they buckled down with a renewed focus on creating dynamic new productions made specifically for the dance floor and their sets. The result is a string of hard-hitting EPs which you can find online now. Listen to the episode in full.

"We used to roll up socks in our shoes to give us an extra inch." The childhood friends talk about coming of age in Belfast and their label and event series, CHROMA. Bicep—the Irish duo Andrew Ferguson and Matthew McBriar—have been winning over the hearts of fans with trance-inflected, melancholic dance music since 2009. In this interview with RA editor Gabriel Szatan, the childhood friends talk about how they got where they are, unpacking their creative process and the abiding musical influence of their hometown, Belfast, a city where emotional trance reigned supreme. They also discuss their ongoing multidisciplinary project, CHROMA—a record label, event series and evolving live audiovisual show. Ferguson and McBriar say that the idea for CHROMA came from a sense that their DJ sets were becoming too "sugary," so they buckled down with a renewed focus on creating dynamic new productions made specifically for the dance floor and their sets. The result is a string of hard-hitting EPs which you can find online now. Listen to the episode in full.

In this episode Sean White welcomes Ed Rottman, CEO of Chroma Energy Group, for a comprehensive discussion on renewable energy, particularly focusing on solar power and energy storage developments. They delve into Ed's background, Chroma Energy Group's operations, and the intricacies of distributed generation, utility scale storage, and the evolution of the solar industry. The conversation also covers innovative trends like agrivoltaics and bifacial photovoltaics, the impact of AI on renewable energy, and the challenges and opportunities facing the sector, including workforce development and infrastructure investments.   Topics Covered: Chroma Energy Group www.chromaenergygroup.com Stowers Machinery Caterpillar Dealer www.stowerscat.com MDA = Missile Defense Agency www.mda.mil Booz Allen Hamilton www.boozallen.com Conservative Climate Caucus www.conservativeclimatecaucus.com Inflation Reduction Act TVA = Tennessee Valley Authority www.tva.com Al Gore www.algorewiki.com LPS = Local Power Companies  EPC = Engineering Procurement and Construction www.epc.com ACP = American Clean Power www.cleanpower.com AI technology  RE+ in Texas C&I = Commercial and Industrial DG = Distributed Generation Paul Subzak Electric Vehicle People against solar energy Agrivoltaics Fencing Bifacial PV Monofacial PV Nellis Solar Power Plant 14 megawatt (MW) Utility Scale Storage Projects EMS = Energy Management Systems Climate Week NorCal Solar www.norcalsolar.org SaaS = Software as a Service AI = Artificial Intelligence Impacts on how renewable energy does in the future   You can reach Ed Rottmann here: Ed Rottmann www.linkedin.com/in/edward-rottmann/  Chroma Energy Group www.chromaenergygroup.com Learn more at www.solarSEAN.com and be sure to get NABCEP certified by taking Sean's classes at www.heatspring.com/sean

This week, Ross sits down with Mike Nally, CEO at Generate:Biomedicines, a pioneer in generative biology that is transforming the way medicines are developed. Mike joined the Data in Biotech podcast to discuss the AI-driven drug development landscape and how data is set to change the way every drug is made in the future. Mike shares his journey to Generate:Biomedicines, motivated by the ambition to improve productivity and democratize the availability of drugs. He discusses the latest in drug development trends, from how the availability of data accelerates what is possible to breakthroughs in de novo generation that allow proteins to be developed with unprecedented specificity. He shares how Generate innovates at each phase of AI-driven drug development and provides insight into Chroma, an open-source diffusion model, explaining how it allows scientists to push the boundaries of protein discovery. Data in Biotech is a fortnightly podcast exploring how companies leverage data innovation in the life sciences.  Chapter Markers [1:21] Mike gives a quick rundown of his background and the route to his current role as CEO at Generate:Biomedicines. [4:03] Mike discusses the changes in the availability of data to advance biotechnology. [6:37] Mike explains the process of designing new proteins and where AI fits into this. [11:12] Mike introduces Chroma, an open-source diffusion model from Generate:Biomedicines, and explains how it allows scientists to expand the natural universe of proteins.   [16:12] Ross and Mike discuss the challenge of combining biology and computer training.   [18:09] Mike gives his view on the current status of machine learning's role in biotech R&D and how this will evolve. [21:05] Mike emphasizes the importance of human attention in AI-driven drug discovery and outlines how technological advancements require workflow innovation. [26:13] Mike highlights teamwork, company culture, and ambition as key differentiators for Generate:Biomedicines.    [28:05] Ross asks Mike his perspective on skepticism around AI-discovered drugs [30:25] Mike shares updates on the two leading candidates coming out of Generate:Biomedicines.

Jeff Huber is Co-Founder of Chroma, the open source vector database. Their open source project, also called chroma, has 13K stars on GitHub. Chroma has raised $20M from investors including Quiet Ventures and Bloomberg Beta. In this episode, we dig into why vector databases are important for AI applications & why AI workloads are different, how their partnership with LangChain helped with early growth, why data is really the only tool a user has to change modern AI's behavior & more!

Wayne and Rob revisit the unique features and benefits of Bona Chroma and Bona DCS 50. Follow Bona US Professional online: Website: https://www1.bona.com/en-us/professional/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/BonaProfessional Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonauspro/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonapro.us/

Welcome to Season 5 of The Art Career where we sit down with Sienna Fekete at The Lower East Side Girls Club. Sienna Fekete is a Curator and Educator based in New York City with a background in radio, podcasting, and music. She is currently the Senior Arts Manager at The Lower Eastside Girls Club. Additionally, she is the curator of The Community Cookbook project volumes 1-3, was the 2021–2022 Curatorial Fellow at The Kitchen, was the host of the Points of View podcast via Cultured Magazine, and and was a Co-founder of Chroma, a cultural agency and creative studio centering on the work and perspectives of women of color. She looks forward to creating more women of color-led initiatives, producing audio projects, spearheading public programming and educational opportunities, growing her practice as a curator, and building collectively with her community. She has worked with BBC Radio 1 and 1Xtra, On Air Fest, Red Bull Arts, NTS, The Lot Radio, StoryCorps, Top Rank Magazine, Domino Sound, SiriusXM, Adidas, Nike, CultureHub, AnOther Magazine, BOMB Magazine, Dazed Magazine, Awake NY, Knockdown Center, Abrons Art Center, Glossier, The Standard, Calvin, Klein, Silica Magazine, Sky High Farm, Ethel's Club, Buffalo Zine, 8 Ball Community, Documenting the Nameplate, POWRPLNT, TXTbooks, Park Avenue Armory, The New Museum, The Public Art Fund, The Studio Museum in Harlem, MoMa, MoMA PS1, Printed Matter, The Community Paris, The Guggenheim, and The Museum of Contemporary Art, Los Angeles. theartcareer.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sienna Fekete: @sii_sii The Lower Eastside Girls Club @girlsclubny Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@theartcareer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Podcast host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emilymcelwreath_art⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Editing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@benjamin.galloway⁠

As one of the South's foremost Black-led arts organizations and a rare ballet company with a BIPOC dancer roster, Collage Dance is reshaping cultural paradigms. Through transformative arts education, captivating performances, and advocacy for diversity, Collage Dance has left an indelible mark on the Southern dance landscape. In this episode, I sit down with Collage Dance's founding executive director, Marcellus Harper, and professional dancer, Victoria Jaenson, to delve into their experiences. Marcellus emphasizes the organization's dedication to keeping ballet relevant and accessible to their communities. Victoria shares her journey as a professional ballet dancer, reflecting on her inaugural season and the vital support from the Memphis community. They also offer a sneak peek into next weekend's premiere of ELEVATE. Featuring Luminescent by Black composer Joseph Bologne, Bluff City Blues inspired by Memphis music, and the regional debut of the acclaimed ballet Chroma, accompanied by the live score of the Memphis Symphony Orchestra. With a London choreography team imparting their expertise, this Royal Ballet-inspired performance promises a groundbreaking fusion of music, movement, and artistry. Prepare to be captivated by an unforgettable experience unlike anything seen before. Tickets start at just $20 currently and Verbally Effective listeners can unlock the code by tuning in for a steep discount on Ticketmaster to get a pair of tickets for the price of one! Access tickets for ELEVATE at collagedance.org or call with any questions at 901-800-1873.