Podcast appearances and mentions of Terry Nichols

On the morning of April 19th, 1995 homegrown terrorists detonated a truck filled with fertilizer outside a federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people including 19 children, injuring nearly 700 others and destroying or damaging 300 buildings. Two friends described as anti-government extremists and white supremacists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were apprehended, charged and convicted of the crime. Three decades later the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum still teaches us the long-lasting impacts of the attack, honors those that died FOX's Tonya J. Powers speaks with Kari Watkins, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum, who says, after all these years, the memorial stands to honor those who lost their lives and to teach people violence is not the answer in a democracy. Click Here To Follow 'The FOX News Rundown: Evening Edition' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On the morning of April 19th, 1995 homegrown terrorists detonated a truck filled with fertilizer outside a federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people including 19 children, injuring nearly 700 others and destroying or damaging 300 buildings. Two friends described as anti-government extremists and white supremacists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were apprehended, charged and convicted of the crime. Three decades later the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum still teaches us the long-lasting impacts of the attack, honors those that died FOX's Tonya J. Powers speaks with Kari Watkins, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum, who says, after all these years, the memorial stands to honor those who lost their lives and to teach people violence is not the answer in a democracy. Click Here To Follow 'The FOX News Rundown: Evening Edition' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On the morning of April 19th, 1995 homegrown terrorists detonated a truck filled with fertilizer outside a federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people including 19 children, injuring nearly 700 others and destroying or damaging 300 buildings. Two friends described as anti-government extremists and white supremacists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were apprehended, charged and convicted of the crime. Three decades later the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum still teaches us the long-lasting impacts of the attack, honors those that died FOX's Tonya J. Powers speaks with Kari Watkins, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum, who says, after all these years, the memorial stands to honor those who lost their lives and to teach people violence is not the answer in a democracy. Click Here To Follow 'The FOX News Rundown: Evening Edition' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This Day in Legal History: Terry Nichols ConvictedOn December 23, 1997, Terry Nichols was convicted of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and eight counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. This devastating attack, orchestrated with Timothy McVeigh, targeted the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more. The bombing was the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history at the time. Nichols, who played a critical role in the attack by helping McVeigh acquire and prepare the bomb materials, was sentenced to life in prison without parole. McVeigh, the primary perpetrator, had already been convicted earlier that year on June 2 and was sentenced to death. Nichols' trial, however, focused more on his involvement as an accomplice, leading to a conviction that avoided the death penalty. The two trials revealed the intricacies of their plot, rooted in anti-government ideologies and resentment over events such as the Waco siege and Ruby Ridge standoff. The bombing's aftermath led to significant legal and policy changes, including the enactment of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which aimed to streamline federal appeals in death penalty cases and enhance law enforcement's ability to combat terrorism. Nichols' conviction underscored the gravity of conspiratorial roles in acts of terror, even when not directly carrying out the attack. The legal proceedings surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing remain pivotal in understanding the U.S. response to domestic terrorism. Nichols' case highlighted the critical balance between achieving justice and addressing the broader ideological threats behind such acts. President Joe Biden signed a funding bill that prevents a government shutdown and keeps federal operations running through March 14, 2025. The legislation passed with bipartisan support in the Senate (85-11) and the House after earlier proposals faltered under pressure from President-elect Donald Trump and Elon Musk. The funding package includes over $100 billion for disaster relief and farmers, according to the White House. Preparations for a potential shutdown had begun, with federal workers warned of possible furloughs, though critical services like law enforcement and air traffic control would have continued without pay. The funding negotiations highlighted Trump's influence over the Republican Party, as his opposition derailed an earlier bipartisan agreement brokered by House Speaker Mike Johnson. A Trump-backed proposal to waive or raise the debt ceiling also failed due to opposition from conservative Republicans.Musk's endorsement of the final deal gave Johnson a much-needed boost, though the speaker faces ongoing challenges, including a potential leadership fight when the House reconvenes in January.US Congress Sends Spending Deal to Biden on Brink of DeadlineRudy Giuliani urged a federal court to dismiss attempts by Georgia poll workers Ruby Freeman and Wandrea' Moss to impose sanctions or hold him in contempt for allegedly obstructing trial preparations. The workers, who won a $148 million defamation judgment against Giuliani, claim he has ignored court orders to produce financial documents, risking further legal consequences. Giuliani denied deliberately withholding information, stating in a declaration that any missing documents were not intentionally concealed.The upcoming January 16 trial will determine whether Giuliani's Palm Beach condo and other assets, including three World Series rings, can be seized to satisfy the judgment. Giuliani, who filed for bankruptcy in 2023 after the defamation ruling, lost significant assets, including his Manhattan apartment and a Mercedes-Benz, due to his ongoing financial troubles. Giuliani's attorney argued that the litigation is politically motivated and vowed to defend him against what they describe as efforts to ruin his reputation. The poll workers, represented by multiple prominent law firms, have not commented publicly on Giuliani's recent filing.Rudy Giuliani Pushes Back on Poll Workers' Call for SanctionsGoogle proposed adjustments to its agreements with Apple and other partners to reduce its dominance in online search, following a U.S. court ruling that it holds an illegal monopoly. The company suggested making its search engine agreements non-exclusive and unbundling its Play Store from Chrome and search for Android devices. Google also offered to allow browser developers to reconsider default search engine settings annually, but it did not agree to end revenue-sharing deals with partners, which remain a key source of funding for companies like Mozilla and Apple.The U.S. government seeks more sweeping remedies, such as stopping Google from paying to be the default search engine and requiring the company to license its search technology to competitors. Prosecutors argue that Google's dominance stifles innovation and competition, particularly as search technologies evolve with artificial intelligence. Google plans to appeal the ruling but emphasized caution in imposing remedies that could harm innovation. The government aims to show the need for broader measures at a trial scheduled for April 2025, where it will call witnesses from OpenAI, Microsoft, and others to support its case.Google offers to loosen search deals in US antitrust case remedy | ReutersA federal judge has temporarily blocked Illinois' law prohibiting swipe fees on retail taxes and tips from applying to national banks, though the restriction remains in effect for payment card networks like Visa and Mastercard. The Illinois Interchange Fee Prohibition Act was challenged by the American Bankers Association and other banking groups, who argued that federal law preempts state regulations for national banks. US District Judge Virginia M. Kendall agreed, issuing a preliminary injunction to exempt national banks while the case proceeds. The ruling reflects ongoing legal tensions between state financial regulations and federal preemption for nationally chartered banks. For now, payment card networks remain subject to the Illinois law's restrictions.Banks Get Temporary Pause on Illinois Swipe Fee Restrictions (3)Luigi Mangione, charged with killing UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan, faces both state terrorism and murder charges, marking a significant legal strategy. Prosecutors allege that Mangione's actions, including the brazen December 4 shooting, were intended to intimidate and coerce the public and influence policy, thus justifying the terrorism charge. If convicted on state charges, Mangione could face life in prison without parole. The decision to classify the killing as an act of terrorism, rather than solely as murder, underscores its broader societal implications. It reflects the legal view that the crime was aimed at instilling fear or advancing an agenda against the healthcare industry. Authorities cited evidence, including a notebook found at Mangione's arrest, with entries expressing hostility toward wealthy executives and the insurance sector, and outlining plans to target Thompson.Mangione also faces federal charges for stalking and killing Thompson, which could result in the death penalty if pursued by prosecutors. The parallel state and federal cases involve different legal theories, with state prosecutors focusing on societal intimidation and federal authorities emphasizing the personal targeting of Thompson. Charging Mangione with terrorism amplifies the gravity of the crime and sets a precedent for how similar cases tied to ideological motives may be prosecuted in the future.Suspect in UnitedHealth CEO's killing faces terrorism charges in New York | Reuters This is a public episode. 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Blake sits down with Terry Nichols, Kenneth Spears, and Tim Beasley to discuss the upcoming election and how we can approach the discussion with our brothers and sisters in christ.

April 19th 1995 was a pretty dark day for the United States and to the people of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma in particular. Here in The States if you mention terrorism most people tend to think of the International variety, but domestic terrorism seems to be just as prevalent albeit with usually less of a bang, but not in this instance. Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War Veteran who became disillusioned with the U.S. Government and decided he needed to send a message. Now he didn't just wake up one morning and decided to blow up a building, this was a slow burn that started in adolescence, slowly becoming radicalized over time. He didn't commit this heinous act on his own either, he had a few friends he would bounce ideas off of and also assist in building his bomb. What transpired left the country shocked and saddened. We've got you covered on the whole story. SponsorsFlintts Mintshttps://www.flintts.com/ Promo code: HistoricallyHigh for 15% offSupport the show

Judge Richard P. Matsch (1930-2019) served as a United States District Judge for the District of Colorado from 1974 to 2019. He is best known for his service as the trial judge in charge of the criminal trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were convicted in 1997 for their roles in the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Before Matsch's service as a federal judge, he worked as a lawyer in private practice in Denver, a federal prosecutor, and a bankruptcy referee and bankruptcy judge in Colorado. Matsch grew up in Burlington, Iowa, worked in his father's grocery store there, and attended a junior college and then the University of Michigan for college and law school. After law school, he served in the U.S. Army from 1953-55 around the end of the Korean War doing counterintelligence work in South Korea. In describing his career as a public servant, Judge Matsch quoted George Bernard Shaw:I'm of the opinion that my life belongs to the community. And as long as I live, it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can. I want to be thoroughly used up when I die. For the harder I work, the more I live. Life is no brief candle for me; it is a sort of splendid torch which I've got hold of for a moment and want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations.The full oral history interview of Judge Matsch in 2018 by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Bruce Campbell (retired), from which these podcasts are excerpted, is available at the Historical Society's website at:  https://www.10thcircuithistory.org/oral-historiesFirst podcast episode:In the first podcast episode, Judge Matsch discussed his work on the Keyes v. School District No. 1 case from 1973 to 1995, implementing the U.S. Supreme Court's direction in 1973 to have a federal judge oversee desegregation “root and branch” of the Denver Public Schools through busing of students. Ultimately in 1995, Judge Matsch held that the vestiges of past discrimination by the school district had been eliminated to the extent practicable, and ended the mandatory busing of students in Denver Public Schools.Matsch also discussed in this episode several other cases that involved constitutional issues including free speech and the free exercise of religion under the First Amendment, and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment.In Judge Matsch's 1977 ruling that called for girls to be able participate in a Colorado high school soccer program comparable to boys soccer, he noted:Any notion that young women are so inherently weak, delicate or physically inadequate that the State must protect them from the folly of participation in vigorous athletics is a cultural anachronism unrelated to reality. The Constitution does not permit the use of governmental power to control or limit cultural changes or to prescribe masculine and feminine roles.Hoover v. Meiklejohn, 430 F.Supp. 164 (D. Colo. 1977).

Judge Richard P. Matsch (1930-2019) served as a United States District Judge for the District of Colorado from 1974 to 2019. He is best known for his service as the trial judge in charge of the criminal trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were convicted in 1997 for their roles in the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Before Matsch's service as a federal judge, he worked as a lawyer in private practice in Denver, a federal prosecutor, and a bankruptcy referee and bankruptcy judge in Colorado. Matsch grew up in Burlington, Iowa, worked in his father's grocery store there, and attended a junior college and then the University of Michigan for college and law school. After law school, he served in the U.S. Army from 1953-55 around the end of the Korean War doing counterintelligence work in South Korea. In describing his career as a public servant, Judge Matsch quoted George Bernard Shaw:I'm of the opinion that my life belongs to the community. And as long as I live, it is my privilege to do for it whatever I can. I want to be thoroughly used up when I die. For the harder I work, the more I live. Life is no brief candle for me; it is a sort of splendid torch which I've got hold of for a moment and want to make it burn as brightly as possible before handing it on to future generations.The full oral history interview of Judge Matsch in 2018 by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Bruce Campbell (retired), from which these podcasts are excerpted, is available at the Historical Society's website at:  https://www.10thcircuithistory.org/oral-historiesSecond podcast episode:In the second podcast episode, Judge Matsch discussed his work overseeing the United States v. McVeigh and United States v. Nichols criminal cases. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were charged with orchestrating the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.Matsch sought to hold fair trials that respected both the interest of the people in Oklahoma harmed by the bombing of the federal building and also the rights of the criminal defendants. Part of protecting the defendants' rights included providing significant financial support for the defense teams. Matsch famously told participants: “This is not theater; this is a trial.”McVeigh was convicted in 1997, sentenced to death, and executed in 2001 after an appeal of his conviction. Nichols was convicted in 1997 and sentenced to life in prison.Judge Matsch explained how he dealt with public interest in the trial:I stressed to everybody, this case is not about me. When I was first notified of this, the press got it; there was a demand that there be an opportunity to talk to me about it. So I stood out on the courthouse steps on that afternoon and answered a few questions, but that was the last time I ever met with the press. It was important to recognize, all right, this is a trial. We have a lot of trials. We're doing this as much as possible. It's just another trial.             *           *           *When it comes to the trial itself, of course, the fundamental question is fairness and the ability to see the defendant sitting at defense table as a human being and not objectify this person as someone who has done some terrible crime.But he also explained how he dealt at trial with the emotionally powerful evidence:So in the Oklahoma City trials, I had the difficult problem of very emotional testimony from people in the building and relatives. That was heartbreaking. One of the most emotional parts of that case was that right there in the front of that building was a nursery, a daycare center, and all those children were killed, including babies. An

Part two of the series on the Oklahoma City Bombing, in this episode the boys jump into the complex and contentious case against Timothy McVeigh, unraveling the layers of conspiracy theories that have swirled around this pivotal moment in American history. they continue to explore one of the most harrowing acts of domestic terrorism on U.S. soil, providing a critical examination of the evidence that led to McVeigh's arrest and subsequent conviction, while also questioning the narratives that have been presented to the public. The episode opens with a recap of the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, when a truck bomb destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more. Then a detailed account of the immediate aftermath, the rescue efforts, and the initial investigations that quickly turned the nation's attention to Timothy McVeigh, a former U.S. Army soldier with deep anti-government sentiments. As they delve into McVeigh's trial, discuss the key pieces of evidence that were brought against him, including the infamous Ryder truck, forensic findings, and the testimony of witnesses who placed McVeigh at the scene. We dissect how McVeigh was portrayed by the media and the legal strategies used by both the prosecution and defense. Throughout this examination, we maintain a critical eye on the proceedings, acknowledging the complexities of the judicial process in such a high-stakes case. Parallel to the legal narrative, this episode takes a deep dive into the multitude of conspiracy theories that have emerged surrounding the bombing. They explore alternative suspects and motives, dissect theories involving other extremist groups, and consider the possibility of additional accomplices who were never charged. Our discussion extends to the broader implications of these theories, including the role of government surveillance and the impact of militia movements in America. Patreon -- https://www.patreon.com/theconspiracypodcast Our Website - www.theconspiracypodcast.com Our Email - info@theconspiracypodcast.com Oklahoma City bombing,Timothy McVeigh,Murrah Federal Building,1995 bombing,anti-government motives,federal building attack,Terry Nichols,Oklahoma bombing theories,conspiracy theories,McVeigh trial,bombing aftermath,federal response,extremist groups,Oklahoma City history,anti-government extremism,bomb investigation,American militia movements,OKC bombing memorial,bombing rescue operations,federal surveillance,bombing media coverage,Alfred P. Murrah

As a direct result of the Waco Massacre, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was bombed. In this chapter of the Cult Chronicles, we learn about the Oklahoma City Bombing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh   https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing   https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-04-27-mn-59616-story.html   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_movement   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIYohleLlWw   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries   https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/world-trade-center-bombing-1993   https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-04-26-mn-59097-story.html   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols

On April 19, 1995—29 years ago tomorrow—at 9:02 a.m., a fertilizer truck bomb exploded outside of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, an act of domestic terrorism perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Fueled by anti-government sentiment—and specifically angered by the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, Ruby Ridge in 1992, and the Waco siege exactly two years to the day earlier in 1993—the blast killed 168 and injured 680. Prior to September 11, 2001, the bombing was the deadliest act of terrorism in U.S. history and remains to this day the deadliest act of domestic terrorism our country has ever seen. The bomb destroyed more than one-third of the building—which ultimately had to be demolished—and damaged 324 other buildings, causing an estimated $652 million in damages. Forensic evidence quickly linked McVeigh and Nichols to the bombing, and within days, both were charged. On that April 19, McVeigh detonated a Ryder truck in front of the building; Nichols had assisted with the bomb's preparation. McVeigh and Nichols had met in 1988 during basic training for the Army and were both tried and convicted in 1997; McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols is currently serving life in prison. The victims of the bombing ranged in age from three months old to 73 years old and included three pregnant women; 19 of the victims were babies and children, many of whom were in the building's day care center. Today on the show we honor the victims of this senseless attack by talking to Jeffrey Toobin, author of the definitive book on the bombing, 2023's Homegrown: Timothy McVeigh and the Rise of Right-Wing Extremism, and the host of the excellent and brand-new podcast Homegrown: OKC. In both works, Toobin draws parallels between the Oklahoma City bombing and January 6, 2021, writing that this study of the Oklahoma City bombing is “Not just a glimpse of the past, but a warning about the future.” It's a conversation you won't want to miss.   Homegrown: Timothy McVeigh and the Rise of Right-Wing Extremism by Jeffrey Toobin Homegrown: OKC podcast

Featuring award-winning military historian and author Mike Guardia, this episode of Big Blend Radio's "Military Monday" Show focuses on the tragic Oklahoma City bombing, a domestic terrorist truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Perpetrated by anti-government extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the bombing occurred on April 19, 1995, and killed 168 people, injured 680, and destroyed more than one-third of the building, which had to be demolished.   Mike Guardia is the author of over 20 other military history books. His latest book is the Amazon best-seller, “Fire in the Hole: Tales of Combat with the 1st Engineer Battalion in Vietnam.” More: https://mikeguardia.com/     Mike Guardia appears on Big Blend Radio's military history shows every 1st Monday. Follow his podcast here: https://tinyurl.com/wkezexvb  PHOTO: Oklahoma City National Memorial Museum by travel writer Debbie Stone. See her story about her visit to the Memorial and other sites in OKC, here: https://nationalparktraveling.com/listing/surprises-abound-in-oklahoma-city/ 

Featuring award-winning military historian and author Mike Guardia, this episode of Big Blend Radio's "Military Monday" Show focuses on the tragic Oklahoma City bombing, a domestic terrorist truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Perpetrated by anti-government extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the bombing occurred on April 19, 1995, and killed 168 people, injured 680, and destroyed more than one-third of the building, which had to be demolished. Mike Guardia is the author of over 20 other military history books. His latest book is the Amazon best-seller, “Fire in the Hole: Tales of Combat with the 1st Engineer Battalion in Vietnam.” More: https://mikeguardia.com/ Mike Guardia appears on Big Blend Radio's military history shows every 1st Monday. Follow his podcast here: https://tinyurl.com/wkezexvb PHOTO: Oklahoma City National Memorial Museum by travel writer Debbie Stone. See her story about her visit to the Memorial and other sites in OKC, here: https://nationalparktraveling.com/listing/surprises-abound-in-oklahoma-city/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stuck in a dead-end job, living at home with his dad, and fuming about a football team that can't seem to win a championship, McVeigh decides to hit the road. He drives to Michigan to stay at the farm of his old Army buddy, Terry Nichols. McVeigh is introduced to a steady stream of outrage from the far right. But it was a siege at a cult compound in Texas that whipped McVeigh into an uncontrollable frenzy.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is the third and final episode in our series on de-escalation techniques in law enforcement with subject matter experts Terry Nichols and Courtney Tassin. On today's episode, they discuss the factors that may lead someone into a behavioral health crisis, different categories of a crisis, the importance of intervention in law enforcement, and key tips for working with individuals in crisis. Many of the topics discussed in this series are explored in depth in LSU NCBRT/ACE's course, PER-405: De-Escalation Strategies and Professional Policing. More information on that course can be found here. LSU NCBRT/ACE courses are DHS/FEMA-certified and are available at no cost to participants.

This is the second episode in our series on De-Escalation techniques in law enforcement. Guests for this series include subject matter experts Terry Nichols and Courtney Tassin. Today, they dive deeper into what de-escalation looks like in practice. They discuss how and why officers should remain calm and intentional during an escalating situation, the PATROL framework and how it works, and how civilians and those outside of law enforcement can use de-escalation and awareness techinques. Many of the topics discussed in this series are explored in depth in LSU NCBRT/ACE's course, PER-405: De-Escalation Strategies and Professional Policing. More information on that course can be found here. LSU NCBRT/ACE courses are DHS/FEMA-certified and are available at no cost to participants. The third and final episode in this series will air on Tuesday, November 28th.

Today, we begin a new, three-part series on De-Escalation techniques in law enforcement. Guests for this series include subject matter experts Terry Nichols and Courtney Tassin. On this episode, they discuss the concept of de-escalation, barriers to effective de-escalation, the importance of community engagement, viewing policing through a lens of problem solving, de-escalation strategies that can be used outside of the law enforcement field, and more. Many of the topics discussed in this series are explored in depth in LSU NCBRT/ACE's course, PER-405: De-Escalation Strategies and Professional Policing. More information on that course can be found here. LSU NCBRT/ACE courses are DHS/FEMA-certified and are available at no cost to participants. The second episode in this series will air on Tuesday, November 14th.

Jeffrey Toobin discusses Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who in 1995 bombed the Murrah Federal Building, in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children. Toobin sites historic events: the government's assault on Waco, racism, the Assault Weapons Ban as dynamics leading to the heinous crime. Linking the 90's right-wing ideology to today, Toobin notes the ongoing fixation with guns, a belief that violence is justified, and an obsession with the Founding Fathers. "Homegrown: Timothy McVeigh and the Rise of Right-Wing Extremism,” a must-read!

On the morning of April 19th, 1995, residents of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma were awoken by tragedy. At 9:02 AM, a massive explosion occurred at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building which damaged over 300 buildings, injured hundreds of people, and took the lives of 168 men, women, and children. Two anti-government extremists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were later arrested for the bombing. The incident is remembered as the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in United States history.  Former FBI Agent John Iannarelli outlines the details of the case and explains how authorities apprehended McVeigh and Nichols. Former Oklahoma City Firefighter Chris Fields discusses the horrors he witnessed as a first responder to the explosion and the emotional impact it has on him to this day. Later, Chris shares resources available for people struggling with their mental health to get the help they need. Trauma Behind the Badge is an organization dedicated to raising awareness about the trauma experienced by first responders and veterans. By starting the conversation and destigmatizing mental health, the organization works to provide first responders and their families with the resources needed in order to properly work through their trauma. Follow Emily on Instagram: @realemilycompagno If you have a story or topic we should feature on the FOX True Crime Podcast, send us an email at: truecrimepodcast@fox.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1995, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols built and planted a truck bomb outside of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City with the goal of inciting a revolution against the federal government. Instead, the nation united behind a city reeling from loss. And a phone call from one first lady to another began a movement that would continue for decades.   Executive producer and host: Erika Grotto Sound design and editing: Matt Grotto Theme music courtesy of Champagne Sunday "Teddy Bears Picnic" from Library of Congress Jukebox collection   Visit us on Instagram @survivedbypodcast

El atentado de Oklahoma City fue un ataque terrorista explosivo perpetrado el miércoles 19 de abril de 1995 por Timothy McVeigh y Terry Nichols, que tuvo como blanco el Edificio Federal Alfred P. Murrah, ubicado en el centro de la ciudad estadounidense de Oklahoma City, capital del estado homónimo. Fue considerado el acto terrorista más grave ocurrido en territorio de Estados Unidos hasta los atentados del 11 de septiembre de 2001. El ataque causó la muerte de 168 personas, entre ellos diecinueve niños menores de seis años, e hirió a más de 680. La explosión destruyó o dañó 324 edificios en un radio de 16 manzanas, destruyó o quemó 86 coches y destrozó los vidrios en 258 edificios cercanos, causando daños que se estimaron en, por lo menos, 652 millones de dólares. Numerosas agencias locales, estatales, federales y de todo el mundo llevaron a cabo extensos esfuerzos de rescate a raíz del atentado, y se recibieron importantes donaciones de todo el país. La Agencia Federal para la Gestión de Emergencias (FEMA) activó once de sus grupos de acción de búsqueda y rescate urbano, que constaba de 665 trabajadores de rescate que ayudaron en las operaciones de rescate y recuperación. McVeigh fue detenido pasados noventa minutos de la explosión por Charlie Hanger, un policía estatal de Oklahoma, por conducir sin matrícula y por posesión ilegal de un arma de fuego. Las pruebas forenses rápidamente vincularon a McVeigh y Nichols al ataque; Nichols fue arrestado, y en pocos días ambos fueron acusados. Más tarde Michael y Lori Fortier fueron identificados como cómplices. McVeigh, que era un veterano de la Guerra del Golfo, había detonado un camión de alquiler Ryder lleno de explosivos aparcado en frente del edificio. El co-conspirador de McVeigh, Nichols, lo había asistido en la preparación de las bombas. Motivado por su odio al gobierno federal y, en particular, por los asedios de Ruby Ridge (1992) y el Waco (1993) contra objetivos no militares, McVeigh programó su ataque para que coincidiera con el segundo aniversario del mortal incendio que puso fin al asedio de Waco. Aunque la explosión destruyó completamente la fachada del edificio, no logró derribarlo en su totalidad. Durante la investigación oficial, conocida como "OKBOMB", los agentes del FBI realizaron 28 000 entrevistas, acumularon 3,5 toneladas de pruebas y recogieron casi mil millones de piezas de información. Los criminales fueron juzgados y condenados en 1997. McVeigh invitó al director de orquesta David Woodard a realizar una misa "réquiem" en la víspera de su ejecución; aunque reprochando el crimen capital de McVeigh, Woodard estuvo de acuerdo. McVeigh fue ejecutado mediante inyección letal el 11 de junio de 2001, y Nichols fue sentenciado a cadena perpetua. Michael y Lori Fortier testificaron contra McVeigh y Nichols; Michael fue condenado a doce años de cárcel por no advertir al Gobierno de los Estados Unidos, y Lori recibió inmunidad judicial a cambio de su testimonio. Como resultado del atentado, el Congreso de los Estados Unidos aprobó la Ley de Antiterrorismo y Pena de Muerte Efectiva de 1996, que endureció las normas de hábeas corpus en los Estados Unidos, así como una legislación diseñada para aumentar la protección en torno a los edificios federales para dificultar futuros ataques terroristas. El 19 de abril de 2000 se inauguró el Memorial Nacional de Oklahoma City en el sitio del edificio federal Murrah, dedicado en conmemoración de las víctimas del atentado. En cada aniversario del ataque se realizan misas en la misma hora del día en que se produjo la explosión.

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GET‌ ‌EVERY‌ ‌EPISODE‌ ‌AD FREE PLUS BONUS‌ ‌CONTENT‌ ‌AT:‌ ‌‌www.patreon.com/crackpotpodcast‌ The Oklahoma City Bombing was a domestic terrorist attack that killed 168 people and injured hundreds more. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted of the bombing, but some people believe that there was a larger conspiracy involved. Theories include involvement by the US government, the possibility of additional explosives in the building, and even a connection to the Waco Siege and the Elohim City compound. In this episode, we explore the basic conspiracy theories surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building., which occurred on April 19, 1995. We delve into the key people and places involved in the event and discuss the various conspiracy theories that have arisen over the years. Join us as we attempt to unravel the truth behind one of the most devastating attacks in American history. Join us as we delve into the conspiracy theories surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing and attempt to separate fact from fiction.  

On this episode of Our American Stories, John Mooy had never before practiced his art of storytelling - for a jury. But to tell the story of Terry Nichols' cooperation with Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, John worked with prosecutors to map the entire bitter journey. This Day in History, 1995: The Oklahoma City Bombing. Support the show (https://www.ouramericanstories.com/donate)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We begin with "a God thing." The Mom Who's Had It joins us from Washington, DC to describe what we feel was an amazing God thing today at Arlington National Cemetery. Wow. Then - we remember the 28th anniversary of the OKC bombing with reporter Mike Connors. He shares his recollections and a story about co-conspirator Terry Nichols and his mother. Reminder: Episode 12 of "Arsenic, DDS" drops at 7pMT on our show's page, Rumble, YouTube, Spotify and iTunes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

President Joe Biden spoke in the lobby of UNLV's William F. Harrah College of Hospitality, the son of Oklahoma City bombing accomplice Terry Nichols pleaded guilty to a 2020 Henderson robbery, as stock prices dropped, regional banks tried to ease customer fears and more on 7@7 from the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

The Leader of the Insurrection in action, worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combinedhttps://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1632912031882805250Someone at the top of the DOJ did not want Americans to see the surveillance videos. Despite intense media obsession, despite an act of despicable violence we were told was domestic terrorism, despite the possibility that more eyes viewing the evidence might find more clues, despite the requirement that exonerating or mitigating evidence be turned over to the defense, someone at the top of the DOJ did not want Americans to see the surveillance footage of . . . The Oklahoma City Bombing. Ten years after the deadly murders and the convictions of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols the DOJ still didn't want Americans to see McVeigh getting out of the Ryder truck he rented. Or, was it that they didn't want Americans to see McVeigh and the Third Terrorist exiting the truck? One person certainly knows the answer to that and his name is Merrick Garland, who Revolver.News Senior Editor Darrin Beattie calls “the ‘Regime Janitor.'” The same Merrick Garland who runs the DOJ that told Americans Officer Brian Sidnick was murdered on J6, that the so-called Q'Anon Shaman broken and entered and committed property destruction--both of which were absolute lies--didn't want Americans to see the video footage that proves they are lies. They told us Trump caused this just like they said Rush Limbaugh--God rest the Maha--caused Oklahoma City. In the Episode we look at the commonalities between the J6 lies and the Oklahoma City narrative. Some questions: how on earth did the FBI complete an investigation of Terry Nichols when, years after he was in prison, they suddenly found a cache of explosives and blasting camps in his house? Why did the FBI try to talk witnesses into changing their minds about seeing the Third Terrorist who whom the FBI had launched a massive search . . . a search they then dropped with no explanation?What does God say? I find an increasing amount of comfort remembering The Lord sees all and Jesus will come again to judgeHebrews 4:13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account2 Corinthians 5:10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 01:37, Darren Beattie on Merrick GarlandCongressional Transcript: Degree of skepticism surrounding investigation of Oklahoma City Bombing. The Third Terrorist, Revised Edition, by Jayna Davis (who seems to have disappeared) BREAKING: Never before seen January 6 footage shows Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick walking around the building after the time media outlets claimed he was killed by protesters.The J6 Committee had access to this tape but refused to release it.McConnell said it was a "mistake" for Tucker Carlson to show January 6 footage that the government fought to keep hidden.Schumer: "Rupert Murdoch has a special obligation to stop Tucker Carlson from going on tonight [and] from letting him go on again and again and again [because] our democracy depends on it."I was told the QAnon shaman was leading an insurrection not the one who is being led by police throughout the capital building. No wonder all the footage was kept from us for 2 years. As always they lied to us all!SEN SCHUMER: "[Tucker's] going to come back tonight with another segment. Fox News should tell him NOT to. Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, tell Carlson NOT to run a second segment of lies!"Well, well, well… CNN (inadvertently?) resurrects gruesome skeleton from Merrick Garland's closet…KFOR Channel 4 Jayna Davis coverage of OKC bombing with bomb scares4Patriotshttps://4patriots.comNever be in the dark with the Patriot Power Solar Generator. Use code TODD to save 10% on your first order.Alan's Soapshttps://alanssoaps.com/TODDUse coupon code ‘TODD' to save an additional 10% off the bundle price. Bonefroghttps://bonefrog.usEnter promo code TODD at checkout to receive 5% off your subscription. Bulwark Capitalhttps://knowyourriskradio.comGet your free copy of “Common Cents Investing” Call 866-779-RISK or visit the website. Healthycellhttps://healthycell.com/toddJourney to better health and save 20% off your first order with promo code TODD.My Pillowhttps://mypillow.comUse code TODD for BOGO free on the new MyPillow 2.0RuffGreenshttps://ruffgreens/toddGet your FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag of Ruff Greens, simply cover shipping. SOTA Weight Losshttps://sotaweightloss.comSOTA Weight Loss is, say it with me now, STATE OF THE ART!GreenHaven Interactivehttps://greenhaveninteractive.comGet more business from Google and your website!Texas Superfoodshttps://texassuperfoods.comTexas Super Foods is whole food nutrition at its best.

We wrap up our OKC Bombing series with the investigation and trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. We take a look at what new legislation the bombing inspired and safety precautions put in place to help buildings handle a large blast like the OKC one. We also take a look at some conspiracy theories surrounding the case including that it was an inside job by the government.Any questions, comments, or suggestions email us at bangdangpodcast@gmail.com or find us on Twitter @OGMMPodcast.

In part one of this 3 part series on the tragic Oklahoma City Bombing, we take a look at the background of the two perpetrators of the event, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. When they met in the Army they realized they had a lot in common, most notably their hatred for the Government. After the events of the Waco siege they decided they had to get back at the Government--at any cost.Be sure to check out part two next week where we will cover the making of the bomb and the bombing and destruction in detail and in part three we will cover both men's trials and the aftermath and effects it had on the country. If you have any suggestions on a topic, email us at bangdangpodcast@gmail.com or find us on Twitter @OGMMPodcast!

Scott interviews Boltzmann Booty, a writer who recently wrote an article about possible CIA ties to the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. It's well known that Timothy McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols used money stolen from a man named Roger Moore to help fund the bombing. Later on, some research suggested that the robbery of Roger Moore was fake — that Moore used the theft to help fund the attack while keeping his hands clean. In this interview, Booty lays out some of the evidence that may suggest Moore himself was working with the government, specifically the CIA.  Discussed on the show: “The CIA Asset That Funded The Oklahoma City Bombing” (Substack) Oklahoma City Bombing Archive - Libertarian Institute Oklahoma City by Andrew Gumbel and Roger G. Charles The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror by David Hoffman Boltzmann Booty is a writer who focuses on covert intelligence operations and false flag terrorism. His work can be found at his Substack. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods' Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

 Download Episode. Scott interviews Boltzmann Booty, a writer who recently wrote an article about possible CIA ties to the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. It's well known that Timothy McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols used money stolen from a man named Roger Moore to help fund the bombing. Later on, some research suggested that the robbery of Roger Moore was fake — that Moore used the theft to help fund the attack while keeping his hands clean. In this interview, Booty lays out some of the evidence that may suggest Moore himself was working with the government, specifically the CIA.  Discussed on the show: “The CIA Asset That Funded The Oklahoma City Bombing” (Substack) Oklahoma City Bombing Archive - Libertarian Institute Oklahoma City by Andrew Gumbel and Roger G. Charles The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror by David Hoffman Boltzmann Booty is a writer who focuses on covert intelligence operations and false flag terrorism. His work can be found at his Substack. This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods' Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG.

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Ep 50: Implementing the ASIM ProcessSheriff Michelle Cook and Police Chief Terry Nichols share their experiences implementing the Active Shooter Incident Management Checklist process and their tips for success. Don't miss this discussion!Bill Godfrey:Welcome to the Active Shooter Incident Management Podcast. It's good to be back with you today. My name is Bill Godfrey. I'm your podcast host, and I have with me today two former C3 instructors as our guest stars today, both of them law enforcement leaders, and hoping that one day when they do retire-retire, we might actually get them back as C3 instructors; hint hint, Chief Nichols, who just retired in the last few weeks. So I have with me Michelle Cook. She is currently serving as the Sheriff in Clay County. She also did ... Michelle was almost 30 years at Jacksonville?Michelle Cook:26 years at Jacksonville, yeah.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, so 26 years at Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Police Department as the operations chief, so she had an awful lot of responsibility there. Did a short stint as the Police Chief at Atlantic Beach, which was kind of a retirement job, but too easy for you. You needed something with more, and so now she's the elected Sheriff at Clay County, which is in north Florida. And we have with us Terry Nichols. Terry was the Assistant Director at Alert from the founding to, what was it? 2018, 20-Terry Nichols:2016, 2016.Bill Godfrey:2016. Left Alert, became the Police Chief in Brownwood, Texas, and then you did, what, a little over three years there?Terry Nichols:Three years there, and then moved to Seguin as chief, and spent three years there, and now I'm retiredBill Godfrey:Like a week and a half ago, two weeks ago? It's been pretty recent.Terry Nichols:It's been a month, it's been a month.Bill Godfrey:So it's exciting to have both of you here. I really appreciate you taking the time. I know the sheriff especially, you have a very busy schedule. But I wanted to have a podcast where we talk about implementing the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist and the process that goes with it. Because it sounds simple on the surface, and when you've gone through training, it's fairly straightforward, but trying to roll that out to a whole organization is a little bit of a logistics machine.And the two of you have each done this, not only in your organizations, but you've done it more than once. So sheriff, you did it at Jacksonville, then did it at Atlantic Beach, now at Clay County, and Terry, you did it at both Brownwood and Seguin. So what I wanted to just get from you guys is, what was it about this process that made you say, "This is the way I want to go," and what were your lessons learned? How did you approach it and go along the way? So sheriff, you want to start us off?Michelle Cook:Sure. First of all, thank you for having me today to talk about this. I'm very passionate about this. You've asked why ASIM, why choose this method of managing an active shooter event, and I will tell you, I'm entering into my 30th year of law enforcement, and I've worked some huge cases, some huge incidents, thousands of them, and for me, being a street cop for so long and then the leader of street cops, the ASIM process, the ASIM methodology, it just makes sense.In our industry, and Terry, correct me if you see differently, we teach young officers, young supervisors, to handle everything themselves. And on 99% of the calls that we handle, that can be done, but on a mass critical incident, like an active shooter event, relying on one person to handle everything is just unrealistic, and that's how things get missed, and unfortunately, that's how people die, is you got one person trying to handle everything.Terry Nichols:Yeah. For me, everything the sheriff said makes perfect sense, and she is spot on. Having been involved with Alert and standing it up from the get go, driving it post-Columbine, and how we were training cops, and then fast-forward several years and get introduced to the ASIM model, and realizing we had been missing the boat early on. When we started first training our officers, we were missing the management piece of this. We were doing good at going in and realizing that we have a different duty. There's no longer sit and wait for SWAT, that we had a different mission on these active shooter events.But there's a whole management piece of this, and like the sheriff alluded to, that we're real good at teaching cops to go handle a problem by themselves, and they do it 9 times out of 10, but these events are catastrophic. They are geographical in nature. It doesn't just happen in a vacuum in one little place, and it takes significant resource management being trained to do that, and that the ASIM, I was just pulled to it and said it makes all the sense in the world.Bill Godfrey:Well, it's very humbling to hear that, and I'm thrilled that you guys ... I was thrilled to have both of you as instructors and as founding members, if you will, of what we were doing a very, very long time ago. Terry, when you were at Alert, you had a hand in helping us get the pilot up and running, and Michelle attended one of the very first pilots. Wait, in fact, I think it was the very first pilot delivery we did for certification, when we did it at Seminole County, so you guys have certainly been on the road with us for a long time. Terry, what was your strategy? So Brownwood, you might want to ... Brownwood was a little more rural, Seguin's a little more suburban. What was your strategy when you wanted to implement it the first time around, and then how did that change for you the second time around?Terry Nichols:I want to back up to something that you said on the intro too, if I can remember what it was now, that it's not just an agency that we implemented these in, it was a geographical area. So it was multiple agencies.Bill Godfrey:Good point.Terry Nichols:Yeah, I may have been the Chief of Brownwood, but I had the Sheriff's Department, and I had two of the law enforcement agencies right there in the county as well, and it was very rural. If you look at Brownwood, Texas on a map, it is in the geographical center of Texas, and I tell people, "You go out to nowhere and turn left, and you're in Brownwood," and not a lot of resources out there.Our closest big city is Abilene, Texas, and that's an hour away. But I knew, A, the need when I got there. I saw the quick needs assessment that we had no active shooter training. We had nothing. We had zero partnership with our fire and EMS partners, we had a third-party EMS provider, we were not working with our Sheriff's Department who was in the same building as us, so a lot of basic leadership stuff.And it was fun to bring the ASIM stuff to us, and we did it through Counterstrike first. That's how we introduced it to the organization, but we brought in the Sheriff's Department and other law enforcement agencies in the county. And that brought us all together, where they weren't playing in the sandbox prior to me getting there for multiple reasons, but this was something we could all gather around and actually embrace.And that really helped build relationships and, "Hey, we're not that bad. Hey, the people across the hall, hey, they're not that bad. They wear a brown uniform, we wear a blue uniform." So but it's also a rule. What we had is what we had, and help was a long way away. So we introduced it through Counterstrike, and then we did ASIM and the checklist, and we recurred training on it, and it was a success.Bill Godfrey:Sheriff, your first implementation was at Jacksonville, which, contrasting to Brownwood, is about as big as ... it's a big job. What was your strategy there? I know you had to play the long game. It took a while, but talk a little bit about what you did at Jacksonville.Michelle Cook:Sure. So in Jacksonville, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office actually, at the time, was the 25th largest agency in the country, so a large agency. And what we decided to do is offer the ASIM class to those who wanted it first, because we thought if we could get those folks who are interested in it to buy into it, then they could go out and help sell it to the rest of the agency. And that really, for us, worked out good, because we ended up with ASIM disciples, is what I call them, and those are folks who were all in, who, on the street, if somebody had a question, they could speak to what ASIM was, and the benefits of it, and stuff like that.So it took us several years. We had to get through about 1,400 people trained, so it took us several years, several training cycles, to get everybody through. Contrast that to ... Let me go back. In Jacksonville, we also had a really close relationship with the fire department, and so they were in on the training from the beginning with us, and that was very, very beneficial.In fact, I think it was in Jacksonville, we started using rescue task forces at special events, and that was a chance for us to practice a concept with our police and fire working together on all of our pre-planned special events, so when the the day did come that we had an active shooter, we would be prepared to ... and we wouldn't have to stop and explain to people what a rescue task force was, so that worked out really well.And we had the active shooter incident at The Landing, and we got fortunate that day because there was actually a fire department unit training a block away. But if you go back and you listen to the radio broadcast, and you listen, and you read the after-action reports, it was very clear that not only the active shooter tactical training that we had been practicing and training so hard for worked, but also, the Active Shooter Incident Management portion of that trained, and people fell right into place.And so it was really ... I had just left when that happened, but it was very gratifying to see all that hard work going into saving people's lives. So move forward to Atlantic Beach, again, much like Terry, a very small agency. We had 30 people total, including myself, and for me, I incorporated not only some of the fire department folks again in this, but public works. Our public works folks had a big presence out there in the city of Atlanta Beach, and so they were pulled into some of the safer jobs, and we trained with public works on these things, and safety...Bill Godfrey:Okay, well, we're not going to let you get away with that that easy. You're going to have to tell a little bit about what you did, and why, and how it worked out.Michelle Cook:So what we did is we got the public works guys because ... specifically the school, but other locations as well, we had ... Atlantic Beach is a beach town, so there's lots of roads leading in, and one of the concerns we had is that when something happened, that traffic would be backed up and blocked so bad that we would not be able to get mutual aid or fire rescue into the scene.So we train the public works guys on how to use their big trucks to hold traffic positions until relieved by a law enforcement officer, and again, they were instrumental and vital to our plan out there, and talking about building relationships and everybody being on the same page. So that worked out really good. Small agency, limited resources. We-Bill Godfrey:Did you get any pushback from the public works guys and gals, or were they pretty excited about it?Michelle Cook:Oh, they were having a blast. We also incorporated them, just on a side note, in our search for missing people. As soon as we had a missing person call go out in the city of Atlantic Beach, our publics works people would getting notified on their phones that we were looking for missing persons, and so they would also help us look for missing people. So it was really just, you go back to, if you have limited resources, if you're in a jurisdiction then you have limited resources, there are other groups that you can pull in safely to help augment or supplement your agency.Bill Godfrey:Sure, sure.Michelle Cook:Yeah, so that...Bill Godfrey:So how did your approach ... Other than the public works, what was the big glaring differences for you implementing it at Atlantic Beach, versus implementing ASIM at the Atlantic Beach versus Jacksonville?Michelle Cook:You know, Jacksonville, there was always the potential for over-convergence just from get go, just because of the sheer number of resources in Duval County. In Atlantic Beach, it was the exact opposite. How long do we have to wait until help gets here, and then how do you manage so much mutual aid? Because in Atlantic Beach, we would have Neptune Beach, Jacks Beach, Jacksonville, Mayport police, all potentially responding, all with different communication, radio channels.And so we had to make sure that when we developed our plan in Atlantic Beach, that all those surrounding agencies knew what our plan was, so that if and when something did happen, they would know what radio frequency to go to. Where would staging be? We preset all those ahead of time so that would be no question day of, and that's the value of a smaller jurisdiction, is you can do a lot of that ahead of time.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, you really regionalized your approach, which Terry mentioned even at Brownwood and bringing some of the others in. Terry, when you went over to Seguin, what did you do a little bit differently there at that one? And talk a little bit about how you stepped outside of the city to bring in your regional partners, similar to what Michelle was just talking about.Terry Nichols:Yeah, pretty much the same thing. The good news is we had a great relationship with the fire department there. It's a larger organization. I say larger. We had 60 sworn at the time, but we're a lot closer ... San Antonio's, a rock throw away, Austin's an hour away, San Marcos is close. So we have a lot of resources, and in the Braunfels real close to us if we need them.One thing that this community had lived through was Sutherland Springs. We had first responders ... Sutherland Springs was literally 15 miles, 20 miles, from Seguin, so we had first responders that actually went down there that day. So it was very close to Seguin, meaning and close to their heart. They did not have ASIM, though. They did not have any training. Most of them had been through Alert or some level of tactical training. The tactical piece of it, the sheriff mentioned, but nobody had the management piece.So I took what I did in Brownwood, and we invested in the Counterstrike and they ran everybody through Counterstrike first. Then we brought in an ASIM advance class, and that's when we really got the buy-in. There were already a group going on countywide, they met monthly. An integrated response group, it was run by the county Fire Marshal's Office, and they would meet monthly, and they would meet, and they would sit around and talk about the same thing over and over and over. And then I became chief there, and they all look at me like, "Oh my God, look what just walked in the door. We've got somebody that"-Bill Godfrey:Fresh meat.Terry Nichols:"That knows what they're doing, that'll come rescue us." So we started getting some synergy going there with that, and then the ASIM advanced that we hosted not long before I left, we were lucky enough to get really solidified, because we filled that class. It was great to see so many people.And I got a text on July 4th from the assistant fire chief saying that, "We have a huge parade July 4th in Seguin," and that's largest one in Texas. But, just what the sheriff mentioned, they had rescue task forces stood up, an IEP, the whole thing that ... I'd been walking them through, doing this slowly, baby steps, but they had done it for the parade, and he was so proud of himself, and I'm so proud of them.He said, "Look at your legacy, what you've left behind." I was like, I didn't do anything. I just came and got the ball rolling. You guys now go with it. But it's come time for both places to test, and that I think that, we'll talk about some challenges in a minute, but it's come time to start to test it. Don't wait for game day. We need to start testing these things.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, and it's funny, both of you have talked about opportunities to exercise and practice, I shouldn't use the word exercise, but to practice some of these concepts in your special events and pre-planned events, and I know that that's a huge part of socialization and absolutely a best practice.And before I move on, I do want to comment for the audience, if you're wondering why these two both had ASIM advances, they were both leaders who contacted us and said, "If you ever have a last-minute cancellation, all I need is two weeks notice and I can make it work," and that's how both of them got ASIM classes. They picked up cancellation slots that came in from others on short notice.But sheriff, I know that you started off by doing the RTFs, and the idea of contact teams in your IEPs for special events, and for the football games, and things like that in Jacksonville, but not too long after that, you took that a step further, certainly at clay county, I know you've began incorporating some of these practices into other calls not active shooter. Can you talk a little bit about that?Michelle Cook:Sure. So it actually ... the guys in Atlantic Beach started it, and it's carried forward to Clay County, and I really think this is going to end up being a best practice. And so what we've done is, on priority-one calls, where we have an active scene that's dynamic and fluid, whoever is tactical declares tactical, and they have command of the hot zone.So whether it's a burglary in progress to a store, or a fire at a house, or a gas leak, the person that's going to drive the resources to specific tasks based on an overall strategy declares tactical, and then our incident commander goes down the road and declares command, and then supports tactical.And this is really ... like I said, this happened organically in both agencies, but I think it's going to end up being a best practice for us, is this allows the men and women in uniform to use the terminology, use the concepts, and it won't be foreign to them, God forbid, if something ever happened. So they're using it on priority-one calls now.Bill Godfrey:I think that's fabulous, and the history of the fire service, and I know we all like to make fun, the fire department will set up incident command on a barking dog call. And yeah, true, but that's actually how we got everybody to understand it. When the ICS structure first started coming out in the late 70s and then rolled into the 80s, and people started stepping up and taking notice, the way we got it indoctrinated culturally was we used it on everything.Overkill? Yeah. Was it necessary? Probably not, but did it expedite the cultural integration and locking that in? And it really did. And I know we've had some conversations about the idea of morphing the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist process into something that's a little more generic, like a generic response posture to violent events or potentially-violent events, and I wonder if you could comment on that?So on the fire service, we have alarm levels. So what we send to a residential structure fire is different than what we send to a commercial structure fire, and when we escalate that and call for more resources, and so that's that standard package. And it seems to me like there might be a real good argument and a logical application for something like that, a standard response protocol for hostile events or potentially-violent events on law enforcement. What are the two of you think about that?Terry Nichols:You know, I can agree. I think that's a great best practice, sheriff, and I commend you for it. I think Seguin, we could have certainly done that in Seguin, and hopefully a little more naturally; like you said, organically. What I think we saw that the cops have been missing, the officers have been missing, is the actual practical application of ICS. Everybody's done the 100, the 200, 300, all of the classes, and we all...Bill Godfrey:Nobody shared answers.Terry Nichols:Yeah, they never share answers, but they never seen the practical application of it, and that's what ASIM brings you, or that's what the Counterstrike tool brings them, is a practical application? "Okay, I see how this is supposed to work now," but you've got to go out and now practice it, and if you can incorporate it into your priority-one-type calls or something like that, I think that's brilliant to be able to do something like that, because it just further ingrains that it should be second nature. when the big one, when that day happens, it's already ingrained in the organizational culture.Bill Godfrey:Good point. Sheriff, what are your thoughts?Michelle Cook:You know, I would agree. The challenge we have in law enforcement is ... because every call that we go on is so different, and to broad brush, saying, "Okay, all of these types of calls, you have to do this," it can be a double-edged sword. So I liked the fact that, at least in my agencies, it happened organically, and when the troops buy in, then you don't have to ram it down their throat; it's better all the way around.But I would love to see some sort of standardization, maybe at each state level, and using the lingo of each state to implement a standard hostile encounter response, or priority-one response, or whatever you want to call it. The challenge for us is, a priority-one call can be somebody shot, to a burglary in progress, to a car crash, to ... So I like it. I'm just not quite sure on how to execute it yet.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, I think it's one of those ideas that we ... Let's face it. Both of our industries are not necessarily known for changing quickly. In the fire service, and you guys have heard me say this before, we have a saying, "200 years of tradition unimpeded by progress," and we mean that. But I think this is one of those places where it's an idea, but we need to take time. I think we need to see what begins to develop organically, what works. Where's the stickiness in an organization? What types of incidents or responses does it make sense, and where doesn't it make sense?think we just have to take our time with it, but it's an interesting idea that I want to keep talking about as we move forward. So let me ask both of you this. What, if anything, when you were implementing the ASIM process at any of either of your agencies, what caught you by surprise, or were some lessons learned, or advice that you would give to other law enforcement leaders like yourself, who are wanting to go down this path? Sheriff, you want to start?Michelle Cook:Sure. My advice would be find ASIM disciples first. Let them buy in and help sell it, versus forcing everybody to go to classes right off the bat. Understand that ASIM is a perishable skill, so if you're not using it on the street for your priority-one calls, you have to find other ways to continue the dialogue.And that can include using some of the concepts on pre-planned events. For us, it includes ... we have written out manuscripts, responses, for some of our larger churches and mall, and our personnel read them. And we got this idea from, actually, the Blue Angels, and before every flight, they sit down and they verbally talk about what they're going to do during flight. And so we sit down and we verbally articulate, "If my role is tactical, this is what I'm doing. If I'm a contact team, this is what I'm doing," and that seems to keep the skills fresh.We've also put together some PowerPoints where we have little pieces moving, kind of like the Counterstrike board moving, and then we have people talking about what's happening; again, pushing the concepts out. So my advice would be find ASIM disciples, then push it out to everybody, and then find creative ways to keep the conversation going regularly. And before we get off this podcast, Bill, I want to talk about something exciting that's happening in Clay County right now as we speak, so don't let me forget that.Bill Godfrey:Okay, I'm going to make myself a note. Terry, how about you? What were the surprises or lessons learned or advice that you would offer something to another law enforcement leader?Terry Nichols:In Brownwood, I walked into, I mentioned earlier, a, I won't say adversarial community, but everybody wasn't getting along, and I used it as a tool to bring everybody together. So I thought it was very useful that way. Now see, the fire department, they got along, but they didn't work together. They knew each other, but they didn't get ... that was it. They was the fireman, we're the police officers. But I used it as a unique tool to bring everybody together, and I thought that was unique.I agree with the disciples, or ambassadors, as I often refer to them, as somebody that will go out there and carry that brand. They're passionate about it. They're just passionate as I am, as you are, as the sheriff is, and so many other folks around. Our new ... Our. The city's new assistant fire chief is one of those ambassadors. He was a hire about eight months before I left, and he came from a neighboring agency, and he is an absolute ambassador.He told me at my retirement reception, he's like, "You're part of the reason I came over here, and now you're leaving." He's relating, "I'm passionate about this Active Shooter Incident Management stuff, and you were here, and I was like, 'All right, what a great opportunity.'" I said, "Sorry, dude, it's that time. 33 years is enough time."And I have to agree with you, we did not have the practice at either organization down, like the sheriff explained. We did not have that ongoing, and I learned that the hard way in Brownwood. When we get to that story, I'll tell you that later on, that it is a perishable skill, and you've got to figure out some ways, some unique ways, to continue to get the information out and rehearse, refresh, that going on. And with the events in Texas in the past couple months, I don't think that's going to be hard to do to get that refresher stuff going.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, do you want to go ahead and talk about what you learned in Brownwood about the retention in perishable skills?Terry Nichols:Yeah, so we ran Counterstrike. We did not have the ASIM yet, but we ran Counterstrike. Everybody through the Sheriff's Department, third-party ambulance provider, the hospital, staff attended, everybody. And then a month later, we held an exercise at the school. No SIMS, nothing like that, it was all moulage. We had actually role-players, Moulage, and the hospital was involved.So we did transports, they tested their MCI surge capability. It worked great, and I think our out-the-door time for the first patient was like 20 minutes. It was remarkable. For having only done it, and we had just trained the month before, so it was great, the sad part, we had lost an officer the week before that to an off-duty traffic collision, and I almost canceled the event simply because of that. We had a lot of trauma we were going through as an organization. We didn't, I'm glad we didn't, because it really brought us all back together focused on our mission.The next year, my intentions are always great, but you're not judged by your intention. My intention was to do followup training the following year, that spring, and do another exercise at the school, change it up slightly, and get the hospital, everybody, involved. We never got around to the refresher training. This happened, the world happened, everything happened, but we still did the exercise. My fire chief had pretty much checked out mentally. He just wasn't that engaged. Our out-of-the-building time for our first casualty was like 50 minutes. It was 50 minutes.Bill Godfrey:50? Five zero?Terry Nichols:Yeah, five zero, which, to me, was absolute failure, catastrophic failure. It's like, what happened? And it was a lack of recurring training, is what boils down to. People had forgotten their roles, they'd forgotten ... they had the checklist, they had in front of them, but they'd forgotten how to do the basic fundamental things, the basic fundamental piece of this.So the good lesson learned, keeping that buy-in from those ambassadors, especially the agency heads, I would think that I could sit across from my fire chief, and I could in Seguin, and have a very candid conversation. It was not quite that same way in Brownwood, as it turned out to be. That was part of the issue I faced.The other issue is my own, I had to own it, that I did not continue to push the training. Life happened, other things happened, and I did not make it a top priority as it should have been, and we saw the outcome of that during that exercise, and I was just as mad as a hornet. I was just absolutely furious at myself, not at the performance of my troops, because they did the best they could. It was at me for not doing that refresher training.Bill Godfrey:Powerful story. Sheriff, anything that you want to add on that before I come back to what's going on there at Clay County?Michelle Cook:I'm with Terry. This is a perishable skill all day long, and you've got to find creative ways to continue the conversations. To think that you're going to bring in a class one time, and somehow people are going to retain it, that's just not going to work. You got to continue the conversations, whether it's the Counterstrike board. For us, it's reading scripts and PowerPoints, and handling priority-one calls using ASIM concepts. Also, the preplanned events, using as many concepts as we can during the preplanned event, and that's how you keep the conversations fresh.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, I completely agree. So tell us a little bit about what's going on there at Clay that you're excited about.Michelle Cook:So really thrilled about this. We were actually having these conversations before Uvalde, and Uvalde really just cemented our commitment to them. So in Clay County, like all school districts across America, our school board came up with a reunification plan, which sounded great on paper. It looks fantastic in this big ring binder that nobody's ever going to look at. So I brought in the county emergency manager, the safety director for the school board, and the school board police chief, and said, "Guys, we have our plan, you have your plan, the schools have their plan. None of us know each other's plan."So right now, what we're doing is we're hosting, I think we're up to 51 meetings. We're bringing school administrators in; the superintendent; fire rescue; the police agency if it's in a municipality, and we bring that jurisdiction in; the school resource officers; the school board police; the safety director for the school board; my patrol division; my special events division, and my traffic division. And we'll have anywhere from 20 to 30 people in the room, and we put the school up on the board and we say, "Okay, this is Clay High School. All right, so school administrators, what is your lockdown ... what is your policy?"So they tell us what their policy is, and then we talk about what to expect from us. "You're going to have solo officer response. You may see something called a contact team. What do you ... We've made an agreement on where we're going to keep extra weapons and other items locked in the school, so where is that location? How do we turn off your alarms in your school?" And then we challenge our traffic guys, "What intersections do you have to own to lock this school down?"And then to the school people, "How are we going to ... Let's talk about reunification. What does that look like?" And then we tell them, "Hey, this is what our contact teams are going to be doing. This is what our rescue task forces are going to be doing. There's a position called tactical, and if you can find that person safely and provide information on who the suspect is, where they're at, go find that person. This is what's going to be happening at the command post."So we tell them all of that, and really, what we've done is we've taken the individual school plans, we've taken the school board police response plan, we've taken the fire response plan, we've taken our plan. We've really molded it into a document, and since I've been driving the conversations from the beginning, they're very ASIM-centric. And the documents are just a few pages, and I could literally ...We've identified, for example, all the intersections in the area that we need to control. "I'm not telling you on game day which direction to push traffic, but these are the intersections that we have to control." So we have a single sheet of paper, it lists each intersection, and then how many deputies it takes to control that intersection. So if Terry's coming in for mutual aid, and I can pull off this sheet of paper and hand it to Terry and say, "You've got traffic."So we've done this with our schools. We're about 12 or so schools in now that we've been holding these meetings, and I tell you, the sense of cooperation, coordination, the understanding of ASIM, because we tell them, "You guys locking down and us neutralizing the bad guy is really just the beginning. There's going to be so much more that has to happen," and opening their eyes of what to expect from us, what we can expect from them, and we're calling it the Clay County CHIRP plan, CHIRP, Clay Hazard Immediate Response Plan, and it just gets all the special interests together in a room to talk about each individual school individually, instead of trying to cover all the schools with one giant plan.Bill Godfrey:That is so fantastic, and more than I've heard going on in other organizations. Once again, you're always on the cutting edge of making new stuff happen. So I-Terry Nichols:It is, it's brilliant. I'm sorry, Bill.Bill Godfrey:No, go ahead, Terry.Terry Nichols:It's great. It's absolutely brilliant, it really is, especially countywide. One thing I left out of the Brownwood, the exercises we did, the school district did their own little reunification exercise once we finished. So we did our piece of it, but they had staff that was working through the summer, and they worked on their reunification process. They actually brought up school buses, and took them to another facility, and worked and walked through the standard reunification method that they utilize.So again, we did not get involved in that because we were taxed already, as far as the number of bodies we were pulling from the street through the tactical piece of all this, but they were doing it themselves. So it was nice to see them doing that. I know the superintendent out there, I know he's continuing that kind of stuff. It's very important to them. Seguin will be very similar, I'd have no doubt in my mind.Bill Godfrey:That's fantastic. So here's my last question for the two of you. Just within the last two weeks, NTOA, the National Tactical Officers Association, has announced that they're endorsing the Active Shooter Incident Management checklist as a national standard. And as I said on one of the previous podcasts, for our fire-EMS audience, NTOA is to law enforcement what the NFPA, the National Fire Protection Agency, is to the fire service. How do the two of you see that changing the conversation as we try to get people aware, trained, and implementing ASIM?Terry Nichols:It would certainly help. Having their endorsement and their stamp of approval is huge. I've been an NTOA member for years, got on their training, I've been to their active assailant training, active shooter training many years ago, back in the early days of Alert. It adds a lot of validity to it, not that it didn't already have it, because it does, but you may be reaching a whole different audience that, especially for your larger agencies that have full-time SWAT teams, and they say, "If we don't do an active shooter training, we've got this stuff done, it's gone ... y'all have to solve long before we get there."But now, they get introduced ugh, or through their structure or their training in the tactical world, they get introduced to the ASIM model and the process that way now. Again, most of the country part-time teams, collateral duty, job, that kind of stuff, but your Los Angeleses, and your New York, and your Houstons, and your Austins and Bostons, and all those big places that may not get ASIM another way, may see it this way now. So I think it's a big deal, Bill.Bill Godfrey:Sheriff, how about you? How does it change things, or does it change things, for you at home there in Clay and in your surrounding areas?Michelle Cook:I'm not sure if it changes things. It doesn't surprise me, though, that NTOA would be one of the first to step up and acknowledge this. The NTOA has trained thousands and thousands and thousands of SWAT operators and SWAT leaders, and on a SWAT call-out, there's a process. And you think about, you call the SWAT team when it's really, really bad, and the SWAT team follows a chain of command, there's one talk, there's one commander.So it doesn't surprise me that NTOA would see the value of a checklist like this, and understand that the checklist is really for those dynamic, ongoing ... those calls that are happening right then when we don't have time to wait for the SWAT team. Now, with that being said, my only concern, and this is something that, as a leader, you have to be cognizant of, is the checklist is not the answer. The answer is training with the checklist.Bill Godfrey:Yes, yes.Michelle Cook:So passing the checklist and saying, "Okay, now we have ASIM," that would be my only concern, because I'm thinking firemen are probably like this too, but cops, "Just make it easy for us. Give us a checklist."Bill Godfrey:Yeah, we're all much more alike than we would like to admit.Michelle Cook:Yeah. That would be my only caution, is that the piece of paper is not the answer. It's training to the piece of paper that will help you get to the answer.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, and I think certainly in my conversations with the NTOA leadership, I think they're keenly aware of that, and we're having some very positive conversations about things that we are hoping to do with their organization to begin to push this out. I think we're probably going to start with some webinars, some announcement material, and things like that, but obviously, we've got to get into the training. You got to get into the hands-on training.And I've said this before, and I will say it again, you can sit in a classroom and you can get lectured at, you can watch a video, but until you get up and put yourself in the moment and actually practice this under pressure, you just don't get it. You've got to give responders the opportunity to practice, hot wash it, and then let them practice again, and that's when they they build the competency.I feel like it's a little bit of a trite analogy, but I've said it before, and I don't think there's anything quite better than that, you're not going to get to the Super Bowl with one practice. You've got to practice over and over again, and in a lot of ways, the quarterback on the field is a lot like tactical triage and transport, and then the coaches on the sideline are like the incident command post.Everybody's working together, but how the heck are you going to pull that off on game day if nobody ever bothered to practice? It seems obvious, and when you break it down in those terms, everybody goes, "Oh yeah, I guess that makes sense," but making it a priority for agencies, it's tough. We got, what, 20 pounds of training requirements to fit into a one-pound day? Something's-Terry Nichols:In Texas, you're about to see that get a lot heavier, because again, after Uvalde, I think you're going to see this come to the forefront at the state level. So every state has mandated training for peace officers that we all have to go through every year. You will see we will be heavy on active shooter response, active assailant response, and it'll hopefully give those agencies that already bought in, that have ASIM training, that have the knowledge of it, to give them a chance to actually go out and practice it now, to check that box with the state, as it were.And one of my leadership mentors, Dave Anderson, he says about working out, "How can you expect to go in the gym and squat 500 pounds if you've never squatted 100 pounds? So yeah, you got to practice, practice, practice, repetition, repetition, repetition. So what you said is spot on, but we've got to ... To have a piece of paper, laminated or not, just to pull out of your zipper shirt or out of your visor, is not the answer. You've got to use it.Bill Godfrey:Or on your phone. We've got it as the phone app too. Yeah, I completely agree, and the one thing I would say, in a perfect world, we would get everybody trained so competently and so passionately, and that, God forbid, the day comes that they're called upon, they would nail it and perfect it, and that would be wonderful. But a little goes a long way. A little bit of organization, a little bit of incident management, having a handful of leadership who understands the process and understand what needs to get done, to be able to organize the rest of the troops or the mutual aid people coming in, a little can go a long way. And yes, one day I would like to believe that we'll get every law enforcement, firefighter, EMT, and paramedic in the United States fully trained and competent in this material. But in the meantime, let's do a little something, because as we've seen more than once, a failure on the incident management side can just produce an unacceptable result.Terry Nichols:It's catastrophic, it's catastrophic, and witnessed recently, unfortunately, and it just ... and you're right, small pieces, and the sheriff's got it right. She's hitting it on the head, using it the priority-one calls, and get it ingrained, indoctrinated. And before we went live and started recording, I was joking with you, Bill, about, we have so much to learn from the fire service; we, being law enforcement.Yeah, we may joke all day long about this incident command stuff. There's a cat up in a tree, and y'all set up incident command, there's no one-shot. But there's something to be said for this, and I tried it. I think both Seguin and Brownwood are better ... they are today than when I got there when it comes to this type of stuff. Not just the tactical piece of it, but the incident management piece of it. I hope they are. And it was a great challenge, and I'm an ambassador of it, and hopefully we got much more to learn, even if it's one at a time, one person at a time.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, and I think, Terry, between you and, certainly, Michelle, who is a very, very strong leader in the law enforcement community, and very sophisticated and forward-looking, I'm optimistic. I think we're going to get there. I think that this can happen, and we can get it done. And I'll share this one story with you, Terry, in fairness, coming back on the other side, because making fun of the cat in the tree, I always make fun of you law enforcement guys for the 540 degrees of coverage. I'm like, "Yeah, how does that math work? It's 360, and you start over again."And I was teaching a class one day with ... and I make that joke on a fairly regular basis, which I should have known. And one of our other instructors, Adam, he was waiting for it, and as soon as I said it, he goes, "Okay, let me explain it to you, Bill. You get in the recliner, you spin around 360 degrees, and then you pull the lever to kick your feet back and you look up over your head. That's 540 degrees of coverage," and I said, "Okay, I got it. I deserve that."Terry Nichols:I owe him a beverage. I owe him a beverage.Bill Godfrey:Sheriff, you have any other closing words or thoughts that you want to offer before we wrap up for today?Michelle Cook:Just wanted to say thank you for the opportunity, and if any law enforcement leader out there, anybody in law enforcement, is looking for any ideas, or suggestions, or support, or how to lead your organization or your agency through the the beginnings of ASIM, obviously, C3 Pathways is the expert in the training, but I can definitely help people navigate the politics of it if needed. So always available to assist.Bill Godfrey:Yeah, that's very, very gracious of you. I have a feeling we're going to have people reaching out wanting your contact information. Terry, any final thoughts?Terry Nichols:I echo exactly what the sheriff said, Bill. Thank you so much for the opportunity to come to share my story, anyway, what I've experienced, but same way. I've done it in a rural community with very limited resources, and now in a larger, not near as large as the Sheriff for Jacksonville, but in a larger agency with ... And there are politics to navigate, there are egos to navigate.Bill Godfrey:Always.Terry Nichols:They're in ... I don't have all the answers, but I'll certainly give you my experience. So yeah, C3 Pathways is the point. Anybody listening or watching, reach out to C3, and if you want to talk to me directly, obviously, Bill will gladly share my contact information, and I will answer any question with anybody at any time about any issue as it relates to this, and my successes and my obvious failures as well.Bill Godfrey:Well, Terry, Michelle, thank you both so much for taking the time out of your day. I think what you've shared can be extremely valuable to those that need to walk in the same footsteps that you guys have already forged ahead, and I just can't thank you enough for continuing to support and be ambassadors, and for the work that both of you have accomplished. So thank you for being with us today on the show. Ladies and gentlemen, that's a wrap for our show today. Thank you for tuning in, and until we talk to you next time, stay safe.

Ruby Ridge y Waco, los sucesos que desataron la tragedia de Oklahoma Hay situaciones que marcaron la cultura de Estados Unidos, y aunque sean acontecimientos dolorosos debemos conocerlos para comprender el contexto cultural de este país. En esta ocasión vamos a hablar sobre la tercera y última parte de un especial, dedicado a los acontecimientos que han afectado la percepción en las autoridades federales. Para eso, ahondaremos un poco en las consecuencias y sentimientos enardecidos producto de las tragedias en Ruby Ridge y Waco. Y de cómo este sentimiento de odio hacia el sistema federal se convirtió en un suceso que conmocionaría no solo a EE.UU., sino al mundo entero. Recomendación: Waco, el suceso que conmocionó a Estados Unidos Ruby Ridge y Waco, un símbolo de resistencia anti-gobierno Aunque la tragedia en Waco fue esclarecida, revelando los delitos cometidos en el campamento y las causas del incendio. E incluso se creó la Ley “The Brady Act” para regular la compra y porte de armas, y se modificaron los procedimientos para no ingresar a una propiedad con la violencia ejercida en los casos anteriores. Muchas personas se quedaron solo con la información inicial revelada por los medios de comunicación; el abuso de la fuerza pública contra un grupo religioso. Este sentir poco a poco creció en un pensamiento anti-sistema y la necesidad de protegerse del Gobierno. Y para aquel 19 de abril de 1993, mientras el campamento de Waco ardía en llamas, Timothy McVeigh veía en la televisión horrorizado e impotente lo que calificó como un incendió perpetrado por las autoridades. Fue en ese momento cuando decidió que era hora de vengarse del Gobierno, poniendo su plan en marcha que no daría resultados sino hasta dos años después. Cuando sembró el terror por medio de un bombardeo en la ciudad de Oklahoma. La mente detrás de la tragedia Timothy McVeigh, quien había prestado su servicio a las Fuerzas Armadas de Estados Unidos, ahora guardaba un gran resentimiento en contra de cualquier institución gubernamental. Si bien sus años de servicio transcurrieron sin pena ni gloria, él esperaba obtener reconocimientos y renombre. Cosa que jamás pasó, y lo que se cree comenzó a influir negativamente en él. Sumado a esto, su creencia acérrima en la novela de ficción Los Diarios de Turner, la que narra la historia de una revolución contra el Gobierno y el exterminio de todas las etnias diferentes a la blanca. Por lo que el incidente en Waco fue el detonante para que McVeigh comenzara a desarrollar su plan para desestabilizar al gobierno federal. Es necesario mencionar que él no actuó solo, tres de sus amigos conocían su objetivo. Michael y Lori Fortier, quienes a pesar de estar al tanto de cada detalle del plan de Timothy, actuaron con indiferencia e incredulidad en lugar de alertar a las autoridades. Por otro lado, Terry Nichols, otro extremista obsesionado con su odio hacia el Gobierno por lo ocurrido en Ruby Ridge y Waco, además de su oposición a la ley Brady. Fue quien colaboró activamente con McVeigh. Él, ayudó en la compra y preparación de los explosivos, como en el alquiler de la camioneta que detonaría Timothy. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/elcaminodelosinmigrantes/message

Summary Lis Wiehl (Twitter, Website) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss the FBI Agent Robert Hanssen. His espionage for the Russians was described as the “worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history.”  What You'll Learn Intelligence The many contradictions of this fragmented personality The criminal sworn FBI Agent The sexual fetishist in Opus Dei The anti-communist Soviet spy Hanssen's impact on the FBI and American Intelligence How the Hanssen case effected the FBI-CIA relationship  Reflections Technology's impact on the espionage/counterespionage cat-and-mouse game Cultural and institutional blind spots And much, much more… Episode Notes The International Spy Museum has the handcuffs that were put on one of the most notorious spies in American history, former FBI Agent Robert Hanssen. But what was the backstory of the moment those metal restraints closed around his wrists in Foxstone Park, Virginia? What did he do? Why did he do it? Who was this man? What damage did he do? To discuss these questions, Andrew sat down with the author of A Spy in Plain Sight, Lis Wiehl. Lis is a former Federal Prosecutor and a legal analyst and reporter on major news networks, including a 15-year stint at Fox News. She is the best-selling author of 20 fiction and non-fiction books and last but not least she is the daughter of an FBI Agent who heard stories of Hanssen's betrayal from her father. Hanssen betrayed “jewel in the crown of American intelligence, Dimitri Polyakov, and other U.S. assets, as well as handing over thousands of pages of highly classified information to the Soviet Union and later Russia. And… In the intelligence community compartmentalization is a way to try to protect sensitive information, caveats, codewords, clearances, read ins, need to know, etc., but in the personal context it refers to being capable of being a “different person in terms of outlook, values and behavior at different times and circumstances.” David Charney met with Hanssen for an entire year after his arrest and described him as “the most compartmentalized person I have ever met.” He also mentions that he is a very experienced psychiatrist. Charney says in terms of compartmentalization most of us are a 1-2 on a scale of 10. Guess where Hanssen was? Quote of the Week "At one point hacked into one of his colleagues' computers to get more information, he was found out and his excuse was, I was just trying to show you how easily we're hacked into so that we can make sure that we don't, and they believed him because he was a computer guy…they just believed him when he hacked in this other person's computer. Crazy." – Lis Wiehl Resources Headline Resource A Spy in Plain Sight, L. Wiehl (S&S, 2022) *SpyCasts* “The FBI Way” - Counterintelligence Chief Frank Figliuzzi “Leningrad, Molehunts, and Life After the CIA” - Christopher Burgess (2021) “Defending a Spy, An Espionage Attorney” - Plato Cacheris (2015) “The Movie Breach and Hollywood's Take on Espionage” – Eric O'Neill (2007) “FBI Counterintelligence and the Robert Hanssen Spy Case” – Dave Major (2007) Books New History of Soviet Intelligence, J. Haslam (FS&J, 2015) Spy Handler, V. Cherkashin, (Basic, 2008) Articles Spy Who Kept Cold War Cold – Polyakov, History (2019) Spy Psychology/Insider Spies, NOIR (2014) Death of the Perfect Spy – Polyakov, Time (2001) Videos Charney on What Makes Traitors Tick? SPY (2014) Primary Sources Witness to History at SPY, Hanssen Investigation (2013) Review on FBI Performance Detecting Hanssen, OIG (2003)  A Review of FBI Security Programs, Webster Commission (2002) Sandy Grimes Interview on Polyakov (1998) *Wildcard Resource* Inside the Supermax Prison (Florence, Colorado)  Hanssen is here alongside Harold James Nicholson, El Chapo, Ramzi Yousef and Terry Nichols

Researcher Richard Booth joins S.T. Patrick to discuss the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing. Booth is a long-time researcher on the case and has tackled such crucial angles as the FBI's changing story on John Doe #2, the FBI continuing failed infiltration of right-wing groups, and individuals such as Andreas Strassmeier, Roger Moore, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Danny Coulson, Weldon Kennedy, and more. Can we know who John Doe #2 may have been? Why did the FBI deny #2's existence after giving a detailed physical description of him? Was McVeigh ever intelligence? Did the CIA have a role? Why did Danny Coulson's story about how he first heard about the bombing change? What are PATCON and VAAPCON? All this and more on this episode. To purchase garrison.: The Journal of History & Deep Politics, go to http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/MidnightWriterNews. If you'd like to support the efforts of the “Midnight Writer News Show” and garrison.: The Journal of History & Deep Politics, you can send donations via PayPal to MidnightWriterNews@gmail.com. Thank you to everyone who has supported the show and the magazine. You can now listen to STP Radio: “Reliving your greatest memories, one song at a time” at www.wstpradio.com. There, you'll hear the best of the late 60s through the mid 90s, with some of the best national and local hosts available. The new outro song is “Fallen Kingdom” by Bennie Knuckz, an independent artist in Miami.

We wrap up our OKC Bombing series with the investigation and trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. We take a look at what new legislation the bombing inspired and safety precautions put in place to help buildings handle a large blast like the OKC one. We also take a look at some conspiracy theories surrounding the case including that it was an inside job by the government. Any questions, comments, or suggestions email us at bangdangpodcast@gmail.com or find us on Twitter @OGMMPodcast.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/outlaws-gunslingers/support.

In part one of this 3 part series on the tragic Oklahoma City Bombing, we take a look at the background of the two perpetrators of the event, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. When they met in the Army they realized they had a lot in common, most notably their hatred for the Government. After the events of the Waco siege they decided they had to get back at the Government--at any cost. Be sure to check out part two next week where we will cover the making of the bomb and the bombing and destruction in detail and in part three we will cover both men's trials and the aftermath and effects it had on the country. If you have any suggestions on a topic, email us at bangdangpodcast@gmail.com or find us on Twitter @OGMMPodcast!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/outlaws-gunslingers/support.

Tomorrow marks the 27th anniversary of a devastating event in United States history. On April 19, 1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was bombed, killing dozens of adults and nearly twenty children. What else was being reported on such a sad day? *** SOURCES ABC News. “After 29 Silent Year, Ex-Miss America Hears.” ABC News. ABC News Network, January 6, 2006. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116819&page=1#:~:text=Sept.,winner%20who%20bursts%20into%20tears. “Advertisement: K&B Drugs.” The Yazoo Herald (Yazoo City, Mississippi), April 19, 1995. www.newspapers.com. CLC Member. “We Remember Iqbal Masih's Life.” Strop Child Labor, April 16, 2021. https://stopchildlabor.org/we-remember-iqbal-masihs-life-a-call-to-human-rights-vigilance/. Gannon, Kathy. “Boy's Voice of Courage Is Silenced by Gunman.” The Tallahassee Democrat (Tallahassee, Florida), April 19, 1995. www.newspapers.com. Hawkes, Jeff. “Swarr Case Closed with Last Guilty Plea.” Intelligencer Journal (Lancaster, Pennsylvania), April 19, 1995. www.newspapers.com. “Heather Whitestone.” Premiere Speakers Bureau. Accessed March 21, 2022. https://premierespeakers.com/christian/heather-whitestone/bio#:~:text=In%20Heather's%20first%20book%20entitled,in%20the%20summer%20of%201999. “Heather Whitestone.” Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, September 30, 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Whitestone. History.com Editors. “Oklahoma City Bombing.” History.com. A&E Television Networks, December 16, 2009. https://www.history.com/topics/1990s/oklahoma-city-bombing. “Iqbal's Story.” The World's Children's Prize. Accessed March 21, 2022. https://worldschildrensprize.org/iqbalstory. Lower, Greg. “Explosion Rocks OKC Fed Building.” Sapulpa Daily Herald (Sapulpa, Oklahoma), April 19, 1995. www.newspapers.com. “Oklahoma City Bombing.” FBI. FBI, May 18, 2016. https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing. Potempa, Philip. “Miss America Speaks Out.” Vidette-Messenger of Porter County (Valparaiso, Indiana), April 19, 1995. www.newspapers.com. Reinert, Jed. “Swarr Murder Case Was Finally Closed in 1995, after 16 Years.” LancasterOnline, April 19, 2020. https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/swarr-murder-case-was-finally-closed-in-1995-after-16-years-lancaster-that-was/article_9de6272a-7f46-11ea-be9a-333d1cb82da9.html. “Terry Nichols.” Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, March 20, 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols. SOUND SOURCES Al Jolson. “I'll Say She Does.” www.pixabay.com/music. Lucille Hegamin and The Dixie Daisies. “Cold Winter Blues.” www.pixabay.com/music. Sophie Tucker. “Reuben Rag.” www.pixabay.com/music.

Hear how to create an environment where people love to work! I always enjoy talking with Terry Nichols (H.E. Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols). We had a great conversation during our first podcast in January of last year. Today we discuss how Terry's life story has taken him in many directions, leading him to a splendid place where he is helping people find their own way. After learning that he is a Native American, he began to see his own life through a fresh lens. In the U.S. Navy, he experienced a range of tests and challenges which led him to become an innovator and visionary. Now as a Visionary Strategist, Terry works with those seeking to change the way they and their businesses achieve success. Listen in and learn! Watch and listen to our conversation here Success not based on fixed goals but on a long-term appreciation of achievement During our podcast, Terry and I not only talk about his ideas around consortium, vision, achievement and what makes a good leader, we also touched on Evolutionary Healer, a global transformational performance improvement company which he co-founded with his wife, Linda Vettrus-Nichols, as well as his work with the United Refugee Green Council. About Terry Earthwind Nichols H.E. Amb. Terry Earthwind Nichols is co-founder and chairman of Evolutionary Healer. He also leads Earthwind Academy which specializes in training practitioners, small business coaching and consulting programs. You can connect with Terry through his website, LinkedIn and Twitter, or email him at terry@evolutionaryhealer.com.  Want to be an awesome leader whose employees achieve great things? Start here Podcast: Richard Sheridan—How To Lead With Joy And Purpose! Podcast: Meg Nocero—Can You Feel Joy As You Rethink Your Life? Podcast: Peter Winick—Can A Thought Leader Help You Think Better? Additional resources for you My best-selling new book: Rethink: Smashing The Myths of Women in Business My award-winning first book: On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights Simon Associates Management Consultants website   Read the transcript of our podcast here Andi Simon: Welcome to On the Brink, a fresh lens to take you and your business to new heights. I'm Andi Simon. I'm your host and your guide. And as you know, my job is to help you get off the brink. I don't want you to get stuck or stalled or not be able to continue to grow personally or professionally. So who do I have here today? Remember, I go looking for people who can help you see things through a fresh lens. So today it is an excellent ambassador Terry Earthwind Nichols. Now Terry and I met through Peter Winick, a wonderful thought leader group. Terry is an extraordinary thought leader among the top of the top. And he's graced our video and audio today with some really wonderful insights about the changes he's seen all around us. Now, as you know, as we're coming out of this pandemic, and I know we'll come out of it, we're all learning to live in a different way. The businesses we're working with, we see they're all trying to rethink how they run their business. What is the culture? You know, how we manage, evaluate? How do you reward or evaluate remote workers? Is it my output or outcome or time spent? Everything is in flux. Humans hate that. If you haven't noticed, we want certainty. But where you don't have it, you never have it. But we're going to talk today about what Terry is seeing, what I'm seeing, and what you should be looking at. So you can see through a fresh lens, how to rethink your own life, and those in your business. And those all around you, Terry, thank you for joining me.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Thank you for bringing me in. And yeah, this is a terrific follow-up from great conversations we've had over the last couple of years. So yes, I'm glad to be here.  Andi Simon: I could read Terry's bio but I want him to share with you his bio, because his journey has been an interesting one: Navy, all over the world, the work he's doing. He's going to Nigeria. He's got a really rich life. Let him share it with you, please. Who is Terry Earthwind Nichols? And then we'll talk all about what you want to share today. About consortiums, because it's exciting stuff.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yes, well, the name starts out to be kind of interesting. I was born in western Montana and raised in the Rocky Mountains. Mountain boys run up and down the sides of mountains and those kinds of things. And I was raised to believe I was a fourth generation Irish American white boy. And it wasn't until I was 46 years old that I found out I'm Native American. And so I contacted my tribe and connected with them. And they gave me the tribal name Earthwind, which means his breath across the earth, because they knew that a lot of my journey and in life and what I'm doing with my companies has to do with a lot of world travel. And so Earthwind was the name they gave me. And that works really well for branded and otherwise because if you were to Google Terry Nichols, you get about 17,000 in North America alone. That's a lot of Terry Nichols!  Andi Simon: A lot of Irish Americans.  Terry Earthwind Nicols: Yeah, right. And, you know, Terry Earthwind Nichols, you get my companies, my social media, YouTube, podcast, whatever. And there's only one in the world. So that works out very well for me. And for you numerology people, it's a prime, all my variables of my name, come out to the prime number of eight infinity. So I keep going and going and going and kind of like the energy of the Eveready bunny from back in the late last century.  Andi Simon: Energizer? Well, you are an Energizer Bunny. Over your journey, though, you've had a number of very important, I'll say catalytic moments as your career has developed. And like catalytic moments, I'm a believer in serendipity. So, infinity, sir, tell us a little bit about that journey so that people can really appreciate the wisdom that you're going to bring them.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well, I'm one of those people that walks into a room and unconsciously people are drawn to me, particularly the leadership who may be in the room. That happened to me many times in foreign ports in foreign countries. I would be part of that delegation from my Navy ship to a welcoming of some sort. And invariably, the military commander of the whole area would end up talking to me for half an hour or more and talking to my seniors for a couple of minutes and that was it. And so that's happened a lot to me in my life. I loved my 20 years as a Navy man because I got to see a lot of the world and meet a lot of very interesting people. And now that I'm out, I've had many jobs and many careers. And all of that has served me to what I'm doing right now. And that's speaking on the world stage about many things, with thought leadership being a primary one. I am mentoring some very high level executives from around the world with all of that experience in my journey in life. At 69 years old, I am having the best time, even with COVID. You know, yes, I love speaking on the stage. But I've spoken to 1000 or more people right here, online. So that continues as well. It's been a wonderful life, and I look to even more things coming in the future.  Andi Simon: Well, it has been and I agree with you, COVID has, for those of us who adapt well, we found all kinds of new values and roles to play. You have your eighth book coming together and I was very interested in how you were developing it. Tell the listeners a little bit more about the seven books because they seem to all be built on each other. And then we'll talk about this eighth one because it's about consortium. And I'm writing my third book and we're focusing on how collaboration has become so essential for people to run good business but also to build a good society. Tell me about your books, all seven of them, and then we'll talk about the eighth.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well, the first two books are about my journey in life. My Facebook friends, my social media friends, all encouraged me to write this down. You got one interesting story. So I'm writing 13 volumes, which will ultimately become a biograph. Each book is a chapter of the big book so that when we get all 13 of them done. In Native American culture 13 is a lucky number, not an unlucky number. And so 13 books, 13 chapters, one result. And then my wife and business partner and I have written two books about what we teach people. Evolve your business, things that are very important for people who have started up a business and now they want to take themselves up to that next level. This is great information. Teachings from the Fire is a little bit of Native America again where we put some basic teachings together for life and for career, things to think about at different points as you journey in life. This one all the way up here in the corner up there is a compilation of my poems and quotes that people love. I put a book out just for that. And Andi and I, as she mentioned earlier, Peter Winick's wonderful group put this compilation book together about how to hire and how to look for people in the 2020s. You know everything's changed. And from that, I've taken my teachings in business, from my mentees and my coaching clients, and I am creating book number eight right now, which is Consortium: The New Business Model for the 21st Century. So consortium is coming together with other people, other thoughts and collaborating with each other to create a non-competitive, collaborative business environment. So the business across the street no longer has competition. You're partners in service to the community changes the mindset and everything changes. So what is consortium really? Ladies and gentlemen, think for a moment about the last time you really achieved something. How good did you feel? How bad did you want to do that? Again, you wanted to repeat that feeling. And if you did it in a company, or in a group of people, you want to connect with those people again and do it again. So if your company that you work for becomes people-centric, and not resource-centric, so we're throwing out the words human resources and making it people-centric, and the people become the place to go to get your records, you become part of a vision of a company that is not connected to timelines and goals. Timelines and goals and the old business model made it very right to make liars out of people, to make dishonest people out of honest people. And let's face it, we've all missed goals over and over and over again, and you get very deflated and burned out. But if you take away those metrics in a business model, and you build in a set of achievable stops along the way to get to a vision that you all share, here's what happens. People who achieve regularly, they don't get sick, they live a healthy lifestyle, they're happy at home and at work, therefore, they don't burn out. And people who are happy and can't wait to get to work, do exactly that. So work from home is not as important anymore as getting back with the team and doing the next achievement. So people don't leave those companies. Great resignation kind of nullifies itself. When you have a company like the Virgin Group, you know, they do it right. Take care of your employees, they'll take care of your clients. Right? And they do it every time. He's like the Midas touch. Richard Branson, Sir Richard, is Midas touch anything he does, it rolls, because he's got that mindset. Take care of the people, hire good people, hire for brains, not for models, right? Not a good old boy network or anything like that. Diversity, and those kinds of things are not really as important in Virgin Group, as brains. People who can contribute to a whole, they're going to be happy and well taken care of. They'll take care of their people. So that's a great model right there for that. So that Andi is where Consortium has come from, and it's going to move to the fore here, rather quickly, I believe.  Andi Simon: You know, though, human beings hate to change. Their mind creates all kinds of wonderful cortisol, your amygdala likes to hijack the new. Even as you're speaking, I find myself saying to myself, well, yes, but and the intrinsic motivations. When you talk about Richard Branson, and trying to find the right people, there's wonderful research that is out there about if you make it playful, people love to come and have fun with their work. If you engage them, you know, Google's 20. You have 20% of your time, you can do anything you want. And some of its best ideas have come out of those 20%. There's a tech company in Australia — Atlassian. It gives people a day a month to do whatever they want. It's called FedEx Days. They give employees a chance to work on anything they want for 24 hours and deliver it overnight, hence the name. All these kinds of things are important. You made a mention about whether the remote was good or bad or coming back into the office. And I have a bias and that is, I think people have a choice where they want to work. The question is, what do you want them to do? And the problem isn't the workspace or how they collaborate or gather, it's enabling them to add value to whatever it is you'd like to do. We have had a wonderful client for five years now. And all 70 of the employees are remote. And some of them want to come back and some don't. But it's irrelevant. The question is, how do we help you get the job done, however you'd like to work? Isn't that a wonderful mature opportunity in this day of technology. But the word consortium is a very powerful one. And I don't want to lose its impact because you're not simply saying collaborate, you're saying, which I think is extremely powerful right now. It's not coordinated. It's not command and control. It's how do you gather the resources and let them work on it? But it also requires new ways of working. Any thoughts about the consortium organization?  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Very good point. When you have a consortium, you have a mixture of experience, model sets, mindsets. When you bring in, you know sports people love the analogy, you bring in your team and you build a team that's dedicated to each other. And the result of that dedication is winning. Now, what happens if you take out the need to win, and you leave in the best players. The best players will win because they take care of each other, they respect each other, and they can't wait to work with each other remotely or otherwise because a lot of what we do is on a computer screen anyway. Okay, a desktop model of some sort. So both an in-office and remote combination is perfectly fine. The concept in Australia I think is an excellent one. And the consortium of people that we have for our consortium division is called Evolutionary Heater. We are working with Global Fortune 500 companies. Depending on the type of industry of the company. Let's say it's a bank. I love to use a bank analogy. I bring in three, sometimes four, including myself, world renowned experts, specialists in the banking and financial industry, to go to work for this corporation and work with them for three years. And then we bring in specialists that are needed as we progress through the three years to do something with the Chief Experience Officer. For instance, I have somebody who's really incredible in Germany, who does experience, and they work with that person, and they're part of that corporate world, until whatever we brought him in for is completed and then they leave. They're not there for three years. Okay? So we get this collaboration of brains to step in and work with the leadership at the apex level of the corporation and then show them how to take it to their people. So their people can actually do the work. Yeah, because there's not complete buy-in for an office full of outsiders coming in and consulting and telling people what to do. However, you create a consortium of your people to create a vision for themselves in their division, or whatever it is. Then building achievements with somebody who comes in once in a while and asks him to answer some questions that they may have, and then takes off and allows them to create this achievable vision that they're doing. Powerful. And that's a consortium more than anything else, that collaboration is a basic necessity to have all the time. You don't have to sit all the players down every time to have a meeting.  Andi Simon: You have three thoughts here I'd like to emphasize for the listeners or the viewers. One of which is the word vision. I always use the word visualization, the way the mind works, is that it's a futurist. And if I can't visualize where we're going, which is exactly the problem you're trying to address with your team, I can't do it today. We are visionaries. But we're futurists so we're trying to craft something that we can see and feel that feels normal-ish while I'm leaving what I used to have.  My shiny object syndrome holds me tight to my past, and I'm trying to come to the new. But, if I can't see the new, I don't know how to like it. So the first part of your insights that you're sharing is that you're going to have to see this in some fashion. And the experts can't tell you if they have to help you experience it. We learn through experiential learning. The more we experience, the better it is. The second thing is that in one of the chapters in my new book, Rethink: Smashing The Myths of Women in Business, Andy Kramer was on the compensation committee of her law firm. And she was fascinated by the reviews. The guys all wrote reviews that told the story of how they had climbed the Empire State Building to save the damsel in distress, and save the company a $500 million loss. The women all wrote stories about how they worked together as a team and they never saved any damsel in distress, but they saved the customer from ever having a $500 million loss. And the two became really insightful for how men and women see things. Of course, the guys got promoted and got the raises, got the partnerships, and the women kept their jobs. The value of collaboration, teamwork and women doing it was not valued to the same degree as the heroic story of the individual rising to the top. And I have a hunch that some of this is weaving through the work you're doing as well, because you said it quite well. You bring in the experts to provide subject matter expertise, but you have to enable the folks inside to begin to see things, feel them and then think about them. You smiled at me, am I correct? We are seeing the same things  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Spot on, and spot on creating a vision on the horizon ahead of you and a roadway to get there. Okay, every day, every way you see the vision, yes. And futuristic vision-oriented. And so every person will choose the bank again, the bank teller at the drive-up window of a little bank branch, USA sees the same vision as the chairman of the board. And when they come in every day, every place they look is the vision, the visual of the vision. Not the statistics, not the missed goals, none of that. The vision of the company that every player shares equally. When the bank teller comes up with an incredible idea to save money or perhaps create a new revenue stream, that should mean something to the corporation, big time. So let's say the highest level that's possible comes down when you accept that bank teller's idea of savings, cost savings, whatever it is. What it represents in revenue for the first year, they get a percentage of it in a check. And whenever possible, the highest level executive that can possibly come and do that, shows up in person to give them that check. Now let's say Bank of America, a pretty big place. If Brian Monahan shows up at ABC bank branch in middle America to award a $1,000 check. It's the idea that the little person came up with and then they made some serious money in a corporation, that kid's world has changed forever. And everybody else in that bank branch will never slow down again. 20 years from now, they'll still be going as fast as they can because they believe in the vision. The great resignation doesn't count for people who have companies, who are running companies where they really care about the people and allow the people to take care of everybody else and the customers. This is the future. People out there right now. They're not going to go back to work for those old companies that have leadership that can't lead. They're not supposed to be in charge of the coffee area and here they are running 50 people.  Andi Simon: Yeah, but you're also raising a big word: lead. What's the leader today? And you know, I'm watching some of my clients go through that great transformation where a command and control leader is turning into, they don't quite know how, into an enabler, a facilitator, a trainer, a developer, a person who can see opportunities and help you get there but not tell you how to. And that requires very different skills and conversations. And as you know, all day is a conversation. So the conversations, they have to shift. We have a culture of change now. Do you have any special ways that you help them change those conversations? Because even though I was a banker for 15 years, and I was an executive in a savings bank and a commercial bank, and we were changing them, and man, we were on the floor all the time supporting the changes. If we stayed in our company offices somewhere and didn't show up, it couldn't have been important. And if you didn't celebrate, we know the mind only remembers what you celebrate. So some wisdom to share.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Train your replacement. In my years, even as a young man in the Navy, I had mentors. People saw what I couldn't see in me and approached me and asked me if it was alright if they prepared me for the future. They could see great things in me. And they wanted to make sure that I could accomplish those things. And that's what a leader does today. It's not about sitting at your desk, counting numbers and seeing what has to change or what can change to make this month's goals. They are out there walking around. Remember that back in the 90s, management was walking around. It's to touch people, walk around, touch people. You don't have to physically touch them, you can talk to them and touch them deep in their heart and their soul. Because you have recognized them as a real person. Not as slave labor. Not a means to my next bonus. You'll get your bonus, that's not what it's all about. It's taking people who could be in any kind of job, pushing a broom, it could be anyone who has something about them, that is not dangerous to you. You're not going to train them to replace your job, or maybe you are. Because if you train them to replace you, then you're going up. Because all these people are raising you. So you're going up, you're not going to lose your job, you go into the next job. Well, that mentality of, I don't want to train anybody to do my work because they'll take my job and I'll be unemployed, is gone. The future is now in the futures of the young people because they have learned to be multiplistic and think with multiplicity. Whereas in my age group, we didn't do that. It was a B, C, D, G, two plus two is four. This is where we're going to literally move things. These guys are multitaskers. They think of 30 things at a time and you can't as leaders and supervisors get to stop and really think about and listen to these people. Their ideas are the future of your company. That's right. Okay, listen to the future, not us.  Andi Simon: My last thought and then we'll wrap up, Terry, you just said something important. Listen, but don't already have the answer in your head. Sometimes I have to do that when I'm doing my podcast. Listen, listen carefully. Listen to Terry, because you're going to hear things or you're going help your own story change. So a little storytelling, we live the story in our head. And when you have it in there, it won't change unless they experience or hear something new. That begins to transform it in some way. So my hope is that for our audience, listeners, and viewers, have listened to Terry. Think about how his story has changed your story. Because he's saying the past was, the future is here, but it's still all developing. And together, we can go farther, faster than we could alone. In an old world where you waited for people to finish things and reward them, pay them, they never got to where they wanted and then they got angry. They had a 3% raise. Well, what are we working for? Yes, we work to make a living, but we also live to work. Now the question is, if they would like to buy your books, Terry, where can they buy them? And then a couple of things you don't want them to forget. I always like to leave with one or two things that are important for them to remember.  Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well, one very important thing is to always listen to understand and not to respond. Listen to understand. And if you can be anything, be kind and they will come back to you. Whatever you send out in energy, good or bad, positive or negative, will come back at you multiplied. So start with yourself. This is not being selfish, start with yourself being okay and present with yourself. And then when you give a compliment or something to somebody, it's genuine. The future of business is all about honesty and integrity. It's nothing to do with can I get you a sale? It's, can we be friends because over the next 20 years, I know I'm going to get a lot of business from me and that's okay, but I'm going to have a great friend. That's empowering, very much empowering. So that's what I would leave. Now, as far as my books. They're all on Amazon: Terry Earthwind Nichols, and you get all of my books.  Andi Simon: Your legacy has given you a unique position in life and I think it's been a fabulous day talking about things that matter to both of us in different ways. It is very much aligned around how do we help people? And I say these words carefully: you have to see, feel it, then think about it, and then do it. And so the question really is, how do I help you see, feel and think so you can then do things with new vigor. Part of the changes that are happening that frightened everybody is that they're unfamiliar with them. And so it's like being dropped in a foreign country without a language to speak, but we figured it out, some better than others. As we continue to change, the speed of change is not slowing down. It's a fast changing time, and you're going to have to lead differently, build a different kind of business. All those people resigning or opening up their own business. 13 million women are opening businesses today, which is 40% of the businesses in the US. They're all bringing new expertise out into the market and there's a whole lot of new ways of helping each other by buying from each other and developing each other. So these are great times for thinking about we, not I, and about thinking about where we're going together, as opposed to myself. So with that in mind, I will do one bragging. I have two books that I hope you get because they'll help you see, feel and think in new ways. My first book, On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights, is an award winner, a best seller and it's just a great way to see how companies have changed using a little anthropology. Rethink: Smashing The Myths of Women in Business is exactly one year old and it has done extremely well. We're now building my second big event on May the fourth, which is rethinking women and we're not quite sure what the subtitle is. We're playing around with trends and insights and transformation because what we're watching is that these women are changing and the world they're in is changing. Can we help it move faster, further together? On that note, I hope it's been a great day for you. I hope you please stay healthy and happy. Terry said be kind. If you know anything about the science of well-being, kindness is extremely powerful to make you feel better. So be kind, be grateful and say thank you, Terry, I'm glad you came today. Goodbye, everybody. Have a great day. 

Mike sits down with Terry Nichols of Dry Fly Distilling from Spokane Washington. Terry brings four of their many offerings to taste on the show. Listen in as Mike gets the best of west coast wheat from a distillery that has been cranking out the distillate since 2007. Check out https://dryflydistilling.com/ Be sure to check out our private Facebook group, "The Bourbon Roadies" for a great group of bourbon loving people. You will be welcomed with open arms!

 In this Episode Micah and I covered the Oklahoma Bombing and the events leading up to this event and the effect it had on the country as a whole. The Oklahoma City bombing was a domestic terrorist truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, United States, on Wednesday, April 19, 1995. Perpetrated by anti-government extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the bombing happened at 9:02 am and killed at least 168 people, injured more than 680 others, and destroyed more than one-third of the building, which had to be demolished. The blast destroyed or damaged 324 other buildings within a 16-block radius, shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings, and destroyed or burned 86 cars, causing an estimated $652 million worth of damage. Local, state, federal, and worldwide agencies engaged in extensive rescue efforts in the wake of the bombing. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) activated 11 of its Urban Search and Rescue Task Forces, consisting of 665 rescue workers who assisted in rescue and recovery operations. The Oklahoma City bombing remains the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history.  terrorism  Link to read into to it for yourself.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombingLinks to all our websites and how to stay in touch below.BOBB's personal website.

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168 innocent deaths, 19 of which were children. The 26th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. The Oklahoma City bombing was a truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, on Wednesday, April 19, 1995. Perpetrated by anti-government extremists, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the bombing happened at 9:02 am and killed at least 168 people, injured more than 680 others, and destroyed more than one-third of the building, which had to be demolished. The blast destroyed or damaged 324 other buildings within a 16-block radius, shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings, and destroyed or burned 86 cars, causing an estimated $652 million worth of damage. Local, state, federal, and worldwide agencies engaged in extensive rescue efforts in the wake of the bombing. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) activated 11 of its Urban Search and Rescue Task Forces, consisting of 665 rescue workers who assisted in rescue and recovery operations. Until the September 11 attacks in 2001, the Oklahoma City bombing was the deadliest terrorist attack in the history of the United States other than the Tulsa race massacre. It remains one of the deadliest acts of domestic terrorism in U.S. history. On a lighter note: Arnold Schwarzenegger tells us to "GET TO THAH CHOPPA!". More on the incredible accomplishment with literally flying a helicopter on Mars. This is the future. Home-stretch film review: Gladiator (2001). Be sure to watch! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Terry Earthwind Nichols is the Chairman of the Evolutionary Healer. He is a thought leader and author of the book Profiling For Profit What Crossed Arms Don't Tell You, he's also the grand master of Repetitive Behavior Cellular Regression® - In this episode you can learn from Terry: How a chance helping conversation developed into Repetitive Behavior Cellular Regression® How imposter syndrome and PTSD share similar traits and coping strategies How he turned people watching into profiling How to hook into the non verbal clues when meeting with others Plus lots more leadership hacks! Follow us and explore our social media tribe from our Website: https://leadership-hacker.com Music: " Upbeat Party " by Scott Holmes courtesy of the Free Music Archive FMA Transcript: Thanks to Jermaine Pinto at JRP Transcribing for being our Partner. Contact Jermaine via LinkedIn or via his site JRP Transcribing Services Find out more from Terry: Terry on LinkedIn Evolutionary Healer Website ----more---- Steve Rush: Some call me Steve, dad, husband or friend. Others might call me boss, coach or mentor. Today you can call me The Leadership Hacker.   Thanks for listening in. I really appreciate it. My job as the leadership hacker is to hack into the minds, experiences, habits and learning of great leaders, C-Suite executives, authors and development experts so that I can assist you developing your understanding and awareness of leadership. I am Steve Rush and I am your host today. I am the author of Leadership Cake. I am a transformation consultant and leadership coach. I cannot wait to start sharing all things leadership with you.   Steve Rush: Terry Earthwind Nichols is the guest on today's show. He is the founder and Chairman of the Evolutionary Healer. He is a top thought leader and the author of Profiling For Profit What Crossed Arms Don't Tell You, but before we get a chance to speak with Terry, it is The Leadership Hacker News.   The Leadership Hacker News   Steve Rush: There is so much bad press and so much terrible news happening across the world right now; I am pivoting today to tell you a story, and it was first told to me by my friend and guest on episode four, Michael G. Rogers. This is a story about unintended consequences of leadership communication. Once there was a group of frogs merrily hopping through the forest, they did not have a care in the world until two of the frogs fell into a deep pit. All of the other frogs gathered round quickly around this large pit pared down into its deep vastness. They began to scratch their heads, trying to come up with a way to help. After a long period of time, they couldn't think of any solution, so they all agreed it was hopeless and yell down to the other two folks to prepare for their fate, and it was unlikely that would ever get out.   Unwilling to believe this the other two frogs started to jump and jump and jump. The group of frogs above began to shout. It was time to give up. You are never going to win. It is time to quit. You are never going to get out of here. After a period of time, one of the two frogs in the deep pit gave heave to what was being said to him, he gave up and sadly died. The other frog, however, kept jumping even higher and higher. The shouts of discouragement continued and got louder and even though it was absolutely drained, every last bit of energy, this last remaining frog had continued to jump even higher. And in a miraculous last jump eventually jumped so high he spring out of the pit.  The frogs celebrated the frog's crazy victory, gathered around him in puzzlement. They said, didn't you hear us tell you to stay down there, that you would never get out. In response the frog said, Oh, that is what you were saying. I am hard of hearing, and I thought you were telling me to jump higher, and I thought you weren't discouraging me, but actually encouraging me. And I guess there are two leadership parallels to the story, many people in your life and work and your role as a leader, including yourself talk by the way, will tell you things are too hard. Give up, don't try harder. Make the choice not to listen to negative self-talk and negative talk from others.   And positivity breeds positivity. As a leader, you can unlock Mindsets that shape thinking and develop positive behaviours, and it is so much more fun being positive than being negative. Right? So take this as an opportunity to inspire people. Don't suppress even what you think might be impossible and let them unlock their greatness. That has been The Leadership Hacker News. If you have any stories, new or insights, please get in touch.   Start of Podcast   Steve Rush: Our special guest, on today show is Terry Earthwind Nichols. Terry is the Chairman of the Evolutionary Healer. He is a thought leader and author of the book Profiling For Profit What Crossed Arms Don't Tell You. Terry, welcome to The Leadership Hacker Podcast. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Thank you, Steve. I am glad to be here. Steve Rush: So before we get into some of the really interesting work that you are undertaking with your teams at the moment, just tell us a bit about the backstories to, you know, maybe your early career and how you arrived at leading the business that you do now? Terry Earthwind Nichols: It has been an interesting run, I will tell you. I graduated from high school. I was born and raised in the upper western area of the United States in the mountains over Rocky Mountains. You might say I am a mountain boy, so to speak, and when I graduated from high school, I did not quite make the financial grade to go straight into college. Vietnam War was still going back in 1971, and so my best bet was to join the Navy and see the world. That is exactly what I did for 20 years. I loved it. It was a great experience. Would not trade it for anything, and we can talk about that a little bit later but I had been a lifelong helper. My nickname in high school was Doc Nick. People come and talk to me and tell me their problems, so, you know my future life had started very early. I just never knew it, some 40 years later after high school going on 50, here next year.   I started helping some people again through an international ministry called The Stephen Ministries. It is a one on one crisis intervention ministry and I was helping a person from my apartment in Minneapolis, Minnesota in the upper Midwest of the United States. And she was out in Australia and one night, I was helping her, but we weren't getting very far as far as, you know really moving forward to what her issues were. And I got this hit to have her close her eyes and that's shutting off all the visual around her and just ask her what her smell, because I knew from my leadership classes in the Navy and stuff like that. First aid classes that smells is the number one trigger for a memory recall.   And so I asked her what she smelled? And she said, oh my God, gas and I go, okay, what kind? Diesel, gasoline, what do you got? She said no, natural gas. This is an all-electric building, so there must be a fire and I go, well, somehow the second before, you did not smell anything. The second before I asked you, how about just taking a few deep breaths, close your eyes again and see if you can smell that gas again and she was able to, and I say, go back and find a memory where you smell that gas and she did. And so what we now have trademarked as repetitive behaviour, cellular regression had begun. After about three to five hours a week over the course of about three months, the first CR Session, that is what we call it. CR Process Session was completed and we've now got that down to a couple of three hours, so it's a lot quicker and easier for us to work with our clients. As a matter of fact, we work in clients in 13 countries in five languages now. Steve Rush: Wow. Terry Earthwind Nichols: So that was 10 years. Steve Rush: So what started out with some helpful, somebody that you were talking too, has now turned into your life's work. Because the Evolutionary Healer you now run is basically set up to help people through that regression and making sure that people are in a good place for the future. Tell us a little bit. About what you do now?   Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well Evolutionary Healers started out as a mom and pop operation. My wife and I started it out with health and wellness people and taking them through the CR Process as the first part of coaching with them. Our coaches said, why aren't you teaching this? This isn't woo-woo or anything like that. Yeah but a solid question and answer sequence, and so we started teaching it and so the Earth Wind Academy was born and we still have the Earth Wind Academy going and then you know, it expanded out. My wife is an author, matter of fact she just finished her memoir, which is her 20th book, just this last month. And she started working with people to write a book and self-publish it in 30 days over Amazon and that's turned into quite a business.   So now, we have three divisions there and I started working with Imposter Syndrome. Imposter Syndrome is wild, crazy. Steve Rush: Sure is. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Out there in the executive world. They estimate 70% based on my conversations and my work with CEOs and Senior Executives. That is probably 85% if not higher out there, and so the consortium was born the fourth of our four divisions of Evolutionary Healer. Now in just eight years, we have gotten pretty wide with practitioners in eight countries, 45 of them and so the consortium division is working with the Executives in Global Fortune 1000 Companies. And we work with them with a vision strategy and a lot of other things, but The Imposter Syndrome was a big piece of that puzzle. Evolutionary Healer has really evolved. Evolutionary is eve of illumination or coming out or see in something new, and healer is a little more than what people ever think. Healer is to heal oneself, and to move forward and to evolve, so Evolutionary Healer was born based on that premise. Steve Rush: Great backstory and Imposter Syndrome is high, kind of 80% in organizations is really stark. In your experience Terry, what is it that causes that? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well, the same thing that causes a PTSD, suicide ideation, lifelong self-sabotage. All those things, what we found was the answer to what Dr. Sigmund Freud was looking for back in the late 1890s. He was a German psychiatrist that was working with people to try and find a memory of high emotional value in early childhood. Well we found a way to help a person using their five senses to inventory, a single memory one at a time. We helped them find an amnesia memory in early childhood, usually pre-language that has a high emotional value to that child at that moment, and because they are, pre-language, they can't go to mom and dad and say, you know. I just saw this happen or this just happened and I don't understand it, so what happens is there's a natural protection device in our brains called amnesia and amnesia takes over to protect us from remembering that memory. And as we grow it starts watching and protecting us in various ways, so that later on in life, when more significant emotional events occur in whether we see them or are they actually occur to us, the protection system keeps us thinking about those things. And then the repetitive behaviour sets in, and it's like being on a merry-go-round without being able to shut it off.   Steve Rush: Got It. Terry Earthwind Nichols: That is how that works. Steve Rush: And therefore, what manifests itself in our more mature years in our adult life. In your experience has been created much, much, much earlier. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Correct, and it's driven by that, so when they find it, when we help them go back using an alternate neuropathway because that the protection device, the active block, this amnesia has cut off the neural pathway back to that memory and it's protecting it. So we literally, by using the five sense, we go back to the back and bottom of the brain, near the stem, where the five senses are and move forward. So we literally come in the back door with a client, into a memory that they have not been to since it happened and the memory itself is crystal clear as if it happened two minutes ago. It is unbelievable how a memory back so far in early childhood can be remembered with such clarity, it is quite amazing. Now here is the key to this, Steve, when that is found, and we neutralize the emotion of that memory, all of the other stuff they can't stop thinking about, they stop thinking about. PTSD has shut off. Suicide ideation is shut off. The Imposter Syndrome thoughts are all shut off and they don't come back because we teach our clients how to recognize new problems coming in and neutralize it before they take hold. Does that make sense? Steve Rush: Right, yeah. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Okay, so yeah, that is how it works. Steve Rush: Given the vast amount of experiences that you have had. Maybe could share with our listeners, one of the, perhaps the most vivid experiences that you have shared with one of your clients? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yeah, we go through The CR Process Session using Zoom or Skype or some audio visual, and we have used and used video on Facebook before. We watch them because; this is where the book came from because I have been a lifelong people watcher. And when we first started out in the business, our clients were alive in the room with us when we took them through the process and we would observe different things that would happen physically, as we were getting close to this memory and the person responsible for the memory. And one that was just utterly amazing. If you have ever tried to take a pinkie toe, and fold it over like you're crossing your fingers. Folded over your fourth toe, it is impossible, but I have had three different clients in different times be able to take that pinkie toe and cross it over the fourth toe when they were talking about or describing a person of high emotional value that we found out later was a perpetrator of various of different means.   That was an amazing thing to observe. Another time I was in the room person to person with a lady who did not move for an hour and a half, not a muscle. She did not move her face. Did not twinkle her eyes, not anything. She was like a hunk of stone. All of a sudden, we were talking about her grandfather and she was explaining her senses in a memory. She had dangling earrings and for anybody that knows dangling earrings, if the left one moves the right one moves too, they both go at the same time. All right, this one, this time, the left earring started to moving without moving the right earring. It was amazing, so there was just, you know, the different things that we observed going through these processes. Just mind blowing, you know, and they are indicators of where we are going to be when we get to the end of that third memory is pretty amazing. Steve Rush: And your fascination with people watching is what caused you to have the inspiration behind the book, which is all about. How you have learned through observation to how you profile people's behaviours. Right? Tell us a little bit about how the book came about? Terry Earthwind Nichols: The book came about because my practitioners and my business partner, my wife. Bugged me for almost two years to write the book, because I know so much, you know, I've been a people watcher all my life and when I was overseas in Europe and I would get off my Navy Ship and I would go and find me a sidewalk cafe whenever possible. And I'd sit there and have my cappuccinos. I love cappuccinos, and I would just watch people not from a scientific or behavioural standpoint, I just watch them and how they, you know, react to certain stresses. You know, that were obvious when I would be observing them, and then, you know, these oddities in muscle movements associated with our CR Process. I personally taken 147 people through this process in the last 10 years and so you learn that, there are certain things that the body does at a time that is completely subconscious movement, and so the book came from all of those observations. Steve Rush: Right? In old language, you might have heard the term body language or nonverbal communication, which you substitute for the word profiling. Right? So tell us a little bit about the whole kind of principle. What Crossed Arms Don't Tell You, because ultimately the old thinking behind body language was if you had your arms crossed, you are either hiding something or you are negative, but you debunk that theory, don't you? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yes, I did. And there's nothing wrong with body language. There is over a thousand books, imprint in English Language alone on body language and how to read it. For almost all of it that I have observed. It is pretty accurate. The thing that they don't go into in any of the books that I've read and I've read, I don't know, over 50. They don't talk about variables to the way a person moves, crosses their legs or their arms or whatever. With the situation that they are in. Case in point, a woman was talking to me at a networking event. One time she crossed her arms, and you know, continued to conversation, which is basically a no buy for salespeople. Cross your arms, you are done but she was cold. Okay, so it was not that she was not buying or receiving the message that I giving her, it was just cold in the room. There are circumstances, environmental, and otherwise that we subconsciously do. For instance crossing your arms can be a security thing. You know, it is not that I am no longer in a no buy situation. It is just you are, touching on stuff that I am uncomfortable with. So crossing my arms as I was taught, when I was a kid, when mom and dad got mad at me, they crossed her arms. So when this person's talking to me and I'm hitting a couple of buttons, emotional buttons, they'll cross their arms for protection, not per se, no buy. So, you know, the way people tilt their head left or right. Means different things as well, and the way people talk on the phone and in the book, I talk about online how to look at different things in emails and phone conversations and that type of things. Steve Rush: So all of these, just providing you with little clues and hints to give you some insight as to how somebody is reacting, right? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Absolutely. Steve Rush: Got it. Terry Earthwind Nichols: You know, how they talk to me with their arms crossed the whole thing. I have a cute story in there. I was selling custom clothes shortly after getting out of the Navy and there was a man in front of me in my custom clothing store that I have worked at. You know, and we had already talked and looked at some fabrics and things like that, and so we were both standing facing each other and he had his arms crossed. And so, you know, I'm in the process of telling and how we're going to make the suit, and how it's done and all that. His arms are crossed, he dropped his head down to the left and I stopped talking for about a half a second, and I said, so how do you want to pay for this? And said, visa is good. I said, okay, let's sit down and let's get a deposit and start designing your suit. Okay, so a couple of minutes later, all of a sudden he sits back in his chair and he says, wait a minute, I go, you have a question? And he says, yeah. I am a professional salesman, I make $2 million dollar deals all over the United States every month. Okay, I am standing in front of you, given you a no buy sign, cross my arms, and you closed me. How did you know I was ready to buy this suit? And I go, well, both of your feet were parallel and you were facing me full on, that means neutral. Your arms are crossed, don't mean anything to me, because as soon as you dropped your head down and to the left, that told me you were trusting me, and you were confident in what I was saying, and it was time to close the deal. And he looks at me for another second or two, and he kind of shakes his head left and right, and he says, well, I'll be darned. Okay, so what do we do next? And he bought my first $2,000 dollar suits sale.   Steve Rush: Great, excellent. And if I'm a leader listening to this, Terry, there must be a bunch of things that present themselves regularly with my team and maybe with my customers and clients, what would be the kind of top things that you notice that present themselves as clues that we can be looking out for? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well the biggest thing is if you were to dissect a person vertically. Right down the middle of their body, anything that is movement wise on the left side or the heart side of the body is confidence, love, trust, all of those things. Now, if you have ever picked up a baby who is crying or whatever, where do you put it? On the left side of your body, over your heart, so that you're heart to heart, that's the love nurture side, okay. Now, if they start to move and movements are tilt their head to the right that is defence or distrust or confusion. Okay, so in body language, for instance, if a person is lying to you, they have a tendency to look down into the right, right side, okay. Where did we get left and right? Well, left side is the nurturer inside. Another thing to think about is back in the Roman times. They taught everybody to carry a sword or a weapon in the right hand and a defence device, a shield or something in the left hand, so that all of the soldiers were exactly, the same. That way they did not cut each other when they were standing beside each other. And so the natural deflection of since, you know, the last 20 or more, thousand years out there. Has to been fight, flight or freeze is to the right, to run away and those kinds of things, if possible. So knowing the left side of the body and the right side of the body is a very important to remember when you are doing that. How fast are they talking to you on the phone? How fast, or slow? Cadence of, how they speak is very important. Somebody is talking very fast, could be an ethnic thing or they could be just nervous, or they are trying to figure out how to get out of this conversation. There is a lot of cultures where their cadence is quicker, so you just tune yourself, your ears to those cadence. In an email, for instance, are they long casual sentences? Or are they short and to the point? And is it a short email? Somebody trying to get this email off their inbox, or are they really trying to communicate with you? So all of that's in the book as well. Steve Rush: Excellent, so there is lots of hints and tips. That folks can get into, if they get a copy of the book. Right? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Oh yeah. COVID, kind of messed us up a little bit. I have had some fun on webinars. I did a webinar for a sales and marketing executive international. We had about 1,121 people on that one. That was a lot of fun, but you know, when I am live, I have little things that we do it with the audience that is kind of fun, you know, makes it interesting. That is for sure.   Steve Rush: So this part of the show, Terry, we are going to turn the leadership lens back on you. So you have led teams for many, many years in different guises in different shapes, so we want to hack into that leadership thinking that sits with you and therefore, Terry, could you just share with us. What would be your top three-leadership hack? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Listen attentively. Okay, the person in front of you is communicating with you, and I teach this in my coaching. That message is everything, okay. If the person is not receiving you, a good way to understand that they are or not receiving you. Is to ask a simple question. Those of you, who are listening, write this down. The question is. Does that make sense? Does that make sense; solicit 97% of the time the person's going to respond audibly with the word yes. The other 3% they have questions or they are going to say no, and if they say no, normally more than three quarters of the time, they're going to say no, but I have a question, okay. Does that make sense? Is huge. Now here is what, does that make sense do for you as a person who is maybe selling something to somebody. You give them permission to hear themselves say yes, out loud, two or three times, by asking that question during the course of the conversation, then when it's time to propose a buying situation, they're more inclined to say, yes, it's powerful question.   The last of the three is put yourself in their position, okay. If somebody comes to you with an issue. What would you do if you were the person standing there explaining it to your boss what, it is? And did something happen to you or with you, around you? And your experience that could be of high value to that person at, this point in time. That may or may not be according to the general rules of the company, so those would be the three things. That I think are the greatest. Does that make sense? Steve Rush: It makes sense to me, Terry that is great advice and interestingly that in your last hack there, you know, we don't often spend time stepping into the shoes of other people. Are seeing it from other perspectives. Perspective, it is really, really important, isn't it? To understand how others think, feel and behave too. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yes, you know, there is an old saying. I am Chickamauga Cherokee, Native American by blood. There is a great saying that they use, it has called a teaching and it is simply. You cannot give what you do not have. If you are not getting respect, that means you are not giving it. You got to give it first and then I'll come back to you, okay. Steve Rush: Yeah.   Terry Earthwind Nichols: And there is a story in the book there about my best custom clothing client came to me from a kid who washed my car in the parking garage of the building of then Pillsbury Corporate Headquarters. I go upstairs. I do my work with the top floor Executives, come down. I would always talk to the young kid. Pete was his name, and one time he said, he asked me. You always dress so well. I know you go up to the top floor and stuff like that. That is why I wash your car, but you know, you always dress so well, not like a regular corporate person. What do you do? Now there is two things, I could have done. I could have just said, nah, you know. I just sell stuff to them upstairs, you know, no big deal, but I respected the kid. He gave me a genuine question. He deserves a genuine answer. I gave him a full spill of what I do as a custom clothing salesman and he said, that's really cool. I bet my uncle could benefit from you make in suits, and I go, well, here. Here is my card. Sometime when you see your uncle, tell him about what I do, so about a week later, this is cool Steve. I get a call in the middle of the morning and there is this guy on the other side.   He says so you sell suits. I got your name from my nephew Pete. He was over having dinner last night, and he was telling me how good you look in your suits and stuff. How do you do that? And I said, well I come to offices and blah, blah, blah. And I gave him the same spill that I give to Pete before and he said. Well, I want to come and see. I have a tough time getting suits off the rack, almost impossible and I hate traveling to New York. We were in Minneapolis at the time. I hate traveling to New York all the time and spend a week or two there, to get my each season closed. I said, okay, so I will come out and this guy turned out to be my best customer. Highest pay sales customer of all of them and he came from Pete, the guy who washed my cars, so ladies and gentlemen, respect is everything. Steve Rush: Yeah. It is good to show, Isn't it? Everybody you speak to has a backstory and has also connections that can help you in your life and work, right? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yeah, the guy was Executive Vice President at the time of one of the top banks in the world. Steve Rush: Awesome. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Right, so this guy was no little guy. Steve Rush: Exactly, yeah. So Terry, this part of the show also we call Hack to Attack, so this is where we maybe had something not work out as well in our past. Maybe something has gone a little awry or maybe even screwed up, but as a result of that experience, we've now used that in our life and our work as a positive outcome, what would be your Hack to Attack?   Terry Earthwind Nichols: I have messed up so many times. It is unbelievable, and I continue to, and I think that's part of the journey. Because you know, a journey is not a guided tour and neither is life. I mean, you either succeed in life or you learn, and when I am teaching vision strategy to my clients. I teach them that when they achieve something, they not only celebrate the achievement, but they take a minute and reflect on. What did they learn? Because just about any project you can come up with, things go wrong. That is just the way it works and what did you learn from it? And what can you take with you as you move forward? Steve Rush: What would have been your biggest learn in your career so far? Terry Earthwind Nichols: I learned it the hard way and that is, shut up and listen. When I was a young buck probably as late as my middle forties. I felt that I always had to have something to say rather than just be quiet and listen and respond, if there was something to actually say rather than respond, to respond. And that was a hard lesson, I got fired a few times because I would do that stuff, and now I make sure that my clients don't do that. Steve Rush: Yeah, It is important. Isn't it? That whatever happens, whatever goes wrong, that we absolutely use that as a lesson and we use it as a learning experience rather than we see it as a failure, right? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yeah, and you know, there is very few failures or things that have gone wrong and lessons that I did not get a chance to use in a positive way later on in life. Steve Rush: Sure. Terry Earthwind Nichols: You know, you take it with you and you keep it handy. Steve Rush: The last thing we want to do is do a bit of time travel with you, so we effectually ask our guests at this time. To think about bumping into Terry when he was 21 and if you had a chance to Terry. To bump into 21-year-old self, what would be the advice you would give him? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Well, oh Lord, I am 67 years old and that 21, I love it. When I was 21, I had just re-enlisted for the first time in the Navy, and I got a little bit of re-enlistment money and I went out and I bought a brand new Volkswagen, super beetle. Now super beetle was a little bigger than a regular beetle of its time and it had air conditioning. I lived in Yuma Arizona was where I was at the time. It got very hot there, so some air conditioning in the car was kind of nice and I would tell myself, don't put the stickers on the car. Now there is the hack right there because I put some stickers on the paint of my car and it gets hot there, so the adhesive on the stickers kind of melted into the paint. So later when we heated him up with a blow dryer and pulled them off, it took the paint with it. Oh my God. Steve Rush: Oh dear.   Terry Earthwind Nichols: It costs me a paint job to sell my car, and so don't put the stickers on the car. Steve Rush: And it sounds to me that, that is still a really painful experience, when you look back on it. Terry Earthwind Nichols: I can see the paint pulled away on the bumpers of my car. The stickers were funny and you know. When you are young, you do things without really stopping to think it through and that was one of them. And that was one of them, so yeah, don't put those stickers on the car. Steve Rush: There is always a consequence, right? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yeah. Steve Rush: There is always consequence behind every action? Terry Earthwind Nichols: Yes, there is. Steve Rush: Excellent stuff, so Terry, for those people that are listening today, who'd like to learn more about how profiling for profit can help them or more about the work that you do with the Evolutionary Healer. Where is the best place that they can find out more about your work? Terry Earthwind Nichols: I would say Google, here is why? I have a brand that is unique in the world, Terry Earthwind Nichols. Earthwind is my tribal name. I am Cherokee remember, and there is probably 20,000 Terry Nichols in North America alone, so to keep from having to remember all websites and all those kinds of things, Google me on ask Terry Earthwind Nicholas, and you get my YouTube channels, my various companies, all my social media sites, all of it right there for you. And even how to get a hold of me? Steve Rush: Excellent stuff, we will make sure also, that through your social media sites and a link to the book will be in our show notes, so folks can click in and find you through our site too. Terry Earthwind Nichols: Great. Steve Rush: So Terry, just from my perspective, it has been really fascinating listening to you and clearly being a lifetime watcher, hasn't stopped for you and I know that with a passion, this is something that you continually evolve and continue to teach. And it's been great listening to some of those stories with us today, so Terry, thanks for being on The Leadership Hacker Podcast. Terry Earthwind Nichols: It was great to be on here Steve. Thank you very much for inviting me. Steve Rush: Thank you, Terry.     Closing   Steve Rush: I genuinely want to say heartfelt thanks for taking time out of your day to listen in too. We do this in the service of helping others, and spreading the word of leadership. Without you listening in, there would be no show. So please subscribe now if you have not done so already. Share this podcast with your communities, network, and help us develop a community and a tribe of leadership hackers.   Finally, if you would like me to work with your senior team, your leadership community, keynote an event, or you would like to sponsor an episode. Please connect with us, by our social media. And you can do that by following and liking our pages on Twitter and Facebook our handler their @leadershiphacker. Instagram you can find us there @the_leadership_hacker and at YouTube, we are just Leadership Hacker, so that is me signing off. 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On April 19th, 1995, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols conspired to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.....anti-government militant Timothy McVeigh parked a truck outside the building that was packed with explosives which he detonated before fleeing the scene. The blast and resulting building collapse killed at least 168 people and injured 680. The explosion destroyed or damaged 324 other buildings within a 16-block radius, shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings, and destroyed or burning 86 cars, causing an estimated $652 million worth of damage. until the 2001 September 11 attacks, the Oklahoma City bombing was the worst terrorist attack ever carried out on American soil. Most people would be appalled at such an act, but for 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold, it was the inspiration behind the mass shootings at Columbine High School. And it all took place almost to the day, four years later…Episode narrated by Top5sMusic by CO.AG________Our episodes deal with serious and often distressing cases involving serial killers. Listener discretion is advised.You can support the show at https://www.patreon.com/Top5sOfficalSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/Top5sOffical)

The Oklahoma City bombing was a domestic terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Carried out by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, the bombing killed 168 people and injured more than 680 others.