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Aphasia Access Conversations
Treating Discourse with Jessica Obermeyer

Aphasia Access Conversations

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2026 36:30


Interviewer info Lyssa Rome is a speech-language pathologist in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is on staff at the Aphasia Center of California, where she facilitates groups for people with aphasia and their care partners. She owns an LPAA-focused private practice and specializes in working with people with neurogenic communication disorders. She has worked in acute hospital, skilled nursing, and continuum of care settings. Prior to becoming an SLP, Lyssa was a public radio journalist, editor, and podcast producer. In this episode, Lyssa Rome interviews Jessica Obermeyer about group treatment for aphasia. Guest info Jessica Obermeyer, PhD, CCC-SLP, is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Her area of specialization is acquired adult neurogenic language disorders. Dr. Obermeyer's research interests include discourse production in aphasia, treatment efficacy, and the cognitive requirements of language production. Prior to earning her doctorate, she worked in a variety of clinical settings where she specialized in assessment and treatment of adult neurogenic populations.     Listener Take-aways In today's episode you will: ● Recognize the role of written communication in clients' daily activities, including texting, email, and online tasks. ● Adapt ARCS-W treatment components to match each client's preferred writing modality (handwriting vs. typing). ● Identify candidates with aphasia who are well-suited for discourse-level writing treatment. Lyssa Rome Welcome to the Aphasia Access Aphasia Conversations Podcast. I'm Lyssa Rome. I'm a speech language pathologist on staff at the Aphasia Center of California, and I see clients with aphasia and other neurogenic communication disorders in my LPAA-focused private practice. I'm also a member of the Aphasia Access Podcast Working Group. Aphasia Access strives to provide members with information, inspiration, and ideas that support their aphasia care through a variety of educational materials and resources. I'm today's host for an episode that will feature Dr. Jessica Obermeyer, who was selected as a 2024 Tavistock Trust for Aphasia, Distinguished Scholar, USA and Canada. Dr. Obermeyer is an assistant professor in the Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Her area of specialization is acquired adult neurogenic language disorders. Dr Obermeyer's research interests include discourse production and aphasia treatment efficacy and the cognitive requirements of language production. Prior to earning her doctorate, she worked in a variety of clinical settings, where she specialized in assessment and treatment of adult neurogenic populations. Jessica Obermeyer, welcome to the podcast, and thanks for being here. Jessica Obermeyer Thank you. It's a pleasure. Lyssa Rome So I wanted to get started with a question we often ask, which is: How did you get into this? Was there an aha moment for you and what led you to research aphasia? Jessica Obermeyer That's a great question. I think it was more of a slow awakening and journey to realizing that this is how I wanted to spend my days. When I started studying speech language pathology, I knew I wanted to work in adult rehab with people with traumatic brain injury, stroke, and aphasia. But as an undergraduate and a masters student, I worked on a lot of research related to traumatic brain injury and cognition. But then I had some exposure to aphasia research, and as a clinician, I just loved working with people that had aphasia. I loved running aphasia groups. I started aphasia groups, and when I decided to go back for my PhD, that is what I wanted to focus on. I also had the opportunity to work in adult outpatient, so I got to see a lot of people that had aphasia and were at different points in their rehabilitation journey. And those experiences just made me want to continue and especially do research that could develop and evaluate different treatment approaches for people that had aphasia. Lyssa Rome One of the sort of through lines in your research has been discourse. And I'm curious about how you landed on that as the focus of your work, why discourse? Jessica Obermeyer It's how we talk. It was always, you know, something I was interested in. I think, as a clinician, I felt really daunted by discourse, because it is laborious, you know, it takes a lot of time to think about how you're going to analyze it. But I was always so fascinated by all the linguistic components that make up discourse as a clinician. And then I think as a researcher, I really appreciate how important it is. Everything we do in our day to day lives is often at a discourse level, and that looks so different depending on the type of discourse. So your text exchange is discourse, your emails, your conversations, the interaction with a barista. You know, every kind of functional way that we communicate is often at a discourse level. But it's so different depending on what that interaction looks like, and that's just endlessly fascinating to me as a researcher… challenging but fascinating. Lyssa Rome Challenging both to evaluate and, I guess, to some extent, to treat. One of the things that I really appreciate is that it's how we communicate in our daily lives, and so if we're thinking about life participation and sort of functional approaches to treatment, to my mind, discourse is kind of where it's at. So I'm really excited to get to talk to you more about it. So speaking of discourse, I thought we could talk about your work on ARCS. Maybe we could start by telling us a little bit about the origins and how you became involved in researching. Jessica Obermeyer Yes, I'd be happy to. I started doing research with ARCS as a doctoral student. So it's been a long time, but the origin of ARCS, or Attentive Reading with Constrained Summarization, started with Yvonne Rogalski and Lisa Edmonds, and they published the first paper, I think, in 2009, but someone should go back to check that, and it was originally for someone that had primary progressive aphasia. And then there was another paper published for two people with Wernicke's aphasia. So in the original version, it's based on constrained summarization, and constrained only in that you're giving someone guidelines for how to summarize so they have to read through a segment of text. Usually it's a current event article, but clinically, you could use pretty much any written text. And I've actually done it with someone listening as well. Typically with ARCS, you would have someone read a segment of written text and then summarize it with the constraint or guideline to be specific. So avoid words like it, stuff, thing, he, she. So use that really intentional word retrieval. That's not what we typically do. We often use non-specific words, but it's that therapeutic, like try to go for the really precise and specific word exercise that retrieval and to also stay on topic, so try not to add a tangent, or, you know, additional information that's not related to what you're reading. And then in my work, I've added an additional guideline that's just based on what that person needs. So if they're repeating a lot, then that might be part of the guideline. Often, the guideline is to try to include the essential information that you've identified already. So that's the origin of ARCS. And as a doctoral student, I really wanted to do treatment research. I became really interested in cooperative learning theory, in how people can work together in their learning, collaborate to improve learning. And when I was doing that, reading and thinking about cooperative learning, writing seemed like such an excellent tool for that, because I think one of the hard things about spoken language is that it's just gone. You say it, it's gone. It's very hard to monitor, which I'm acutely aware of right now in this recording. But with written text, you have this wonderful record of what you've produced, and that can be really helpful for thinking about language and planning, especially in an approach like ARCS or ARCS-W that emphasizes this planning, process-driven component, where you're thinking about, "What do I need to include in this discourse? What's important? What's not important? And what have I actually produced? Does that meet, you know, the guidelines I've tried to meet?" So that's how writing actually got pulled into it. And I wanted to keep the spoken language because, I don't know that I've ever met someone with aphasia who told me they didn't want to continue exercising their spoken language, but the writing was just I think, an important addition, because there are so few written discourse treatment options. And it allowed for this emphasis on monitoring and planning and some of the cognitive components of discourse that can be hard to address. Lyssa Rome And maybe you could say a little bit about what you found when you've studied ARCS-W, so the Attentive Reading and Constrained Summarization-Written. Jessica Obermeyer Well, people have improved, which is great. So the one of the things about ARCS and ARCS-W that's maybe unique when we think about aphasia treatment as a whole, is that it's not a treatment with trained items, so no items are repeated. You're working on the process of discourse production, this process of monitoring and trying to be specific, be efficient, you know. In written discourse, people have made improvements in correct information units or CIUs. So at the word level in discourse, the amount of informative and correct information that they're producing, people have made improvements at the utterance level, where they're producing more relevant utterances and more utterances that have a basic sentence structure, and then this hasn't been looked at in all of the studies, but for some of the participants, where we've measured things like main concepts, the amount that the person is conveying the main ideas or concepts in the discourse has improved for some people as well. And then at this spoken discourse. So ARCS-W, it's half spoken, half written. Basically, people have also made similar improvements. So it's been encouraging so far, ARCS-W I would say, compared to ARCS is for people in the more mild aphasia end of the spectrum, especially with the writing component. Any clinician who's worked with people with aphasia will know that writing is often a stressful thing for people with aphasia. So it's for people that are writing at a phrase level already. It doesn't mean that their spelling is perfect, but if they're really struggling to get out a single word, this is probably not the ideal you know treatment for them, but for folks that are more on the mild end who want to work on spoken and written discourse, we have seen some positive results in their spoken and written discourse production. Another thing that I think is really important for this treatment is that it is so multi-modality. When we write normally, we're reading as well. You know, we're not just writing in a vacuum. A lot of the time. We're rereading our text, we are reading that text message and then responding to it. So I like that. I like multi-modality treatments. I like that this is a treatment that allows people to address multiple types of language goals, while, you know, keeping it pretty simple and low tech. Lyssa Rome I think that that really hits on one of the reasons that I like using ARCS-W in my work with people is that It can be used with so many different kinds of texts. So I've used both, you know, work emails, if their goal is to get back to work, newspaper articles that interest them, simplified newspaper articles that interest there's so many possibilities. And anyway, it's exciting to hear you talk about that. Jessica Obermeyer Yeah, I think that as a clinician, that's why I liked ARCS. It was so flexible, so easy to implement. And that's definitely one of the things I like about ARCS-W as well. Make treatment work hard for you. Lyssa Rome So that is interesting to people as well. Where are you going next with your ARCS research? Jessica Obermeyer Great question. I'm writing up results from about six people we ran over the last couple years, so that, I hope, gets submitted for publication soon. And I would really like to adapt this treatment a little further to use more assistive technology for folks that are really wanting to write, but aren't wedded to handwriting or typing in a traditional sense. So can we use speech-to-text? I always mix it up. And can we use methods to support people producing written language that are, you know, different than just typing it? Because people have really different needs in their life. So if that is a way to meet their writing needs, excellent, and I'd like to do that in the future. Lyssa Rome I think that gets back to this idea that it's so flexible, right? You could adapt it in so many different ways. I think that that's really exciting, because it sort of further underscores the flexibility of this approach. And we were talking earlier, before we started recording, about using the same ARCS framework, or ARCS-W framework for material that clients have listened to, things like podcasts or TED Talks. So it seems like it's so adaptable, which is part of what I think makes it really exciting. Jessica Obermeyer I think that's a great idea. We actually did use listening and then summarization for one of the participants in the first arc study, because that met their profile. That's how they wanted to interact with the treatment, and it worked out really well for them, and it's a great way to incorporate people's different interests. Not everyone wants to read, so being able to listen is a great option. And in the treatment for everybody, they always select their writing modality so they can either hand write or type, depending on what's relevant for them. In the population of people that have aphasia now, and I know that this will change over time, people have really different comfort levels with technology and with typing. So if someone says, "No, I never typed. I want to handwrite," then we can do that. And if, if it's the other, we can type. So I think listening is just another way to make it meet someone's needs better. Lyssa Rome I was hoping that you could talk a little bit more about the similarities and differences between different types of discourse. So spoken and written discourse, typed and versus handwritten discourse. Tell us a little bit more about that. Jessica Obermeyer Yeah, of course. Well, I should, I guess, start off by saying, working on the ARCS-W treatment research, I recognized just how little information is out there on written discourse and the majority of discourse measures that we use in aphasiology are based on spoken discourse production. But there are differences in how we speak versus how we write. So in spoken language, we've already talked a little bit about this, it's temporal, it's just gone. So writing is tangible. You have a record of your writing, and that can be really beneficial for people with aphasia. But of course, there's there's other things that can make writing more challenging as well. With spoken language, of course, we have the suprasegmental components of what we're saying. So we have our tone and our facial expression and things that allow us to impart meaning without actually saying it, and we don't have that in writing. Although things are shifting with text messaging technologies, we can add emojis and memes that help us communicate information. But I think when we're thinking about traditional writing, it doesn't have those additional components, and therefore people have to be more explicit with their word choice and a little more clear in what they're trying to say. People are often more efficient in writing. They use fewer words than they would in speaking. So those are some of the differences. We can't automatically correct our written output because we see that our partner doesn't understand. Because in writing, there's this distance between when we're writing versus when we think someone's reading it. Even in more instant platforms like text messaging, we don't know exactly when someone's reading something or how their face looks when they read it, in the way we know with speaking. So those differences do impact how we complete the task. And of course, the context of writing changes it dramatically. So you write notes to yourself really differently than you write a research paper or a work email. And that's not so different from speaking, right? The context is still going to impact how we speak or write, very much. So in my work, I've looked at how writing and typing are the same or different. And this is a pretty new area. There's a couple papers out there on it now, and I think it's gaining traction, which is great, because most people write through typing in their daily life now. What I found is that at a group level, it's pretty similar. Writing and typing look pretty similar for people that have aphasia. But individually it can be very different. So an individual person with aphasia might have a strength or weakness in handwriting versus typing for lots of different possible reasons, like their experience, or hemiparesis, their desire to do one or the other. But it's not, the patterns aren't completely clear. I think clinicians are probably really used to hearing that every individual with aphasia has the potential to be different. So I think that keeps with written and typed language output, handwritten and typed. Some of my recent work has been related to looking at different writing modalities for people with aphasia. So are there differences in their handwritten versus typed discourse production. There's a couple papers out on this now, and hopefully there'll be even more as it gains traction. And I think it's getting more attention in the research literature because of how important writing is in our daily lives now. I mean, most activities of daily living are now completed through, you know, the virtual world, so banking, shopping, lots of messaging are completed through reading and writing now. So that's kind of why I became interested in also working with ARCS-W and having people handwrite versus type, depending on their interest and comfort level. It was always interesting to me why certain people picked one or the other, and kind of what I was seeing. There is some research out there that shows that handwriting is advantageous for learning. So the specificity of how we're moving our fingers to create letters is helpful for retention and learning items, but when we're thinking at the discourse level, when we're not using the same items necessarily, things could potentially be a little different. So I was interested in just exploring some of those differences and patterns that might emerge, and if there was anything I could figure out that might be driving a pattern. So if someone's better at typing than handwriting, is there a reason that they're better? So what I have found so far, and it's it's pretty preliminary, is that at the group level, handwriting and typing look very similar for people with aphasia, so oftentimes, there's not a big difference in the total words that they produce, and that's been confirmed by a larger study as well from Jaime Lee and colleagues. But then when we look at the individual level, that's when you can start to see differences. And I don't think any clinician would be surprised to hear that people with Aphasia are variable or different. So we know that that is common, but it's been pretty interesting and striking in my own work to see how at the group level, these differences just totally even out. But then when we look at individuals, you do see that, you know, someone is more proficient with typing, someone else is more proficient with handwriting. So in a study I did, I think from 2024, we had people fill out this historical information about their typing experience and exposure, we knew about if they had a hemiparesis or not, and so were they able to use both hands or one hand for handwriting or typing? And like I said, we did find these individual differences for some people, but there wasn't a really clear pattern in what was driving those differences? Was it that they hadn't worked with a keyboard a lot? Was it that they only had the use of one hand? And we just didn't have enough data potentially to discern any specific patterns? Lyssa Rome We've talked a little bit about different types of discourse, written, spoken for written, typed versus handwritten. But I wanted to kind of come back to how we measure and analyze discourse, and wanted to ask about a more recent paper and have you describe a little bit about your work on discourse measurement and training clinicians to measure discourse? Jessica Obermeyer That paper is a perceptual rating paper. We've talked a lot about discourse in this chat, and I think probably one of the first things I might have mentioned was how daunting discourse analysis can be. So researchers are aware of that, and always kind of thinking that discourse is so rich, it provides us so much information about someone's linguistic ability, but also their success with communication in a way that other levels of language don't necessarily tell us. So how can we benefit from that rich information in a way that clinicians can do. Because with discourse analysis, you know, in the clinical session, it might not take that long. You're having someone participate in 10 minutes of conversation—that is not a lot of time in your session. The time is all backlogged. The time is after the session is over, and you're trying to transcribe what they've said and then identify discourse measures that you're interested in. And another thing that makes discourse just complex and dynamic is that there's not one measure, you know, there's not a measure of word retrieval and discourse. There are lots of measures that can give you insight into word retrieval and discourse. So this project I did with my collaborator, Marion Lehman, who also works on discourse, and especially conversation. We wanted to see if it was possible to train people to rate conversation samples from people with aphasia on linguistic measures, so measures of language ability. So there are other perceptual rating scales, but a lot of them might be looking at speech acts like initiation or presence or absence of errors. And we were really interested in if these, if perceptual ratings, could map on to the things we're doing in our labs, so you know, correct information units or the degree of informativeness, utterances that have basic structure, coherence, you know, these measures that we are spending many hours, you know, coding line by line, or even word by word, for some. So she and I developed this training and introduced—so the paper that's published, we used research assistants in our research labs, and we exposed them to the linguistic measures that we were interested in. Had them watch some practice videos, and then told them how we had coded them. So what was the value based on our lab coding? And then we did five test samples, so there were four linguistic measures. The training lasted about three hours, and I did five test samples. And we got some really good feedback from the RAs who did the training and rating samples. We had some promising results for especially two of the measures that we used in their training, and now we're really interested in extending that work with clinicians. So the people that were in the study before had very limited experience listening to people that had aphasia. They hadn't worked with people that had aphasia, they hadn't done extensive clinical training. We're hopeful that if we can use their feedback to fine tune the training and rating procedures and recruit some clinicians to participate, that hopefully we could get even better results and hopefully provide a tool to clinicians where they can be thinking about linguistic components of conversation in a way that's more feasible to their schedule and their workload, because we recognize how much time it takes. And I think it's, it's just a barrier to entry, even, because if someone is feeling like, "I can't do this, I don't have time to do this," then it's hard to even learn about or get started. Lyssa Rome Yeah, I'm so happy to hear that you're that you're focused on the feasibility for clinicians who have productivity requirements, who don't necessarily have a lot of time at the end of the day to do that kind of really in depth analysis. I think it's exciting. Jessica Obermeyer Oh, for sure, and clinicians, I think, work a lot of extra hours, but they have a whole caseload, you know, so balancing everybody's needs and being able to to provide excellent care to everybody is, is always a challenge, and hopefully, hopefully we'll, we'll be able to continue this work. We're trying to get some funding for the project because we want to be able to pay SLPs who participate in the research. Lyssa Rome As we start to wrap up, I'm wondering what you would like clinicians who are listening to this podcast to take away from what we've talked about today, from your work. Jessica Obermeyer I think one takeaway would be for clinicians to think about incorporating handwriting and typing into their existing treatment practice. So I've talked a lot about ARCS-W. ARCS-W is not for everybody. It is a very specific treatment approach for people that have mild aphasia who want to work on discourse-level writing. But there are so many ways to have people engage with handwriting and typing that will serve them in their daily life. So we've talked a lot about how literacy is just such a big—it's a bigger part of our lives than it was 20 years ago. People can achieve a lot of independence and autonomy if they're able to interact with reading and writing and complete it successfully. So I would really encourage clinicians to think about how they can incorporate reading and writing into their existing treatment. A study I was involved with— Liz Madden surveyed SLPs on their practices assessing and treating reading and writing, and one of the take-homes from that project was that clinicians evaluate writing more than treating it. And especially handwriting, versus typing. But I think that given the way society is moving, asking people like, "What's important for you, handwriting or typing?" and let's make that our practice. Lyssa Rome I appreciate how person centered and flexible that advice is right. We're trying to meet people where they're at and recognizing that our treatment can be tailored to the person who's sitting in front of us. I'm curious to hear what is coming next for you. What are you excited about in your work? Jessica Obermeyer That's actually a great segue about how we can tailor treatment, because that is one of the projects that I'm working on now, how we can think about treatment in terms of what are the things that make it work, versus things that maybe aren't essential components of the treatment? With the last study I did with ARCS-W of the things that we were really trying to understand better was: Did it matter if people hand wrote or typed? Did they have the same kind of level of generalization to the other writing modality? And in that study, it doesn't seem that they did. And I think there's really specific reasons for that, because we're working at this discourse level without repeated items. And so you might not see the same impact of that handwriting learning boost, because we're not repeating things as often. That's one of my real interests is thinking about how we work on treatment, how we deliver treatment, how clinicians can deliver treatment. Because I am very guilty of this. Working on writing takes a long time. It takes a long time for people with aphasia to produce written discourse level text. So in the ARCS W studies, it's an hour-and-a-half treatment session where we only work on ARCS-W. But I know I recognize that that's like not most clinicians' daily life, and it doesn't mirror what therapy many people with aphasia receive. So thinking about treatment in a more component-based and mechanistic way that makes it easier for clinicians to adapt to their their practice is is one of the things I would like to flesh out in the future. And then continuing to work on this training and perceptual rating protocol. One of the things my colleagues and I would like to do is create a training that can be shared freely, where clinicians can easily get access to it, and then collect more robust data. I mean, only if we get good results, of course. If we don't, we will not be sharing it. But those are the big things I'm thinking about in the next couple of years, and then beyond that, even more. Lyssa Rome Well, I look forward to reading more of your work and to seeing what comes next as well. Dr. Jessica Obermeyer, thanks so much for talking with us. I really appreciate it. Jessica Obermeyer It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Lyssa Rome And thanks also to our listeners for the references and resources mentioned in today's show. Please see our show notes. They're available on our website, www.aphasiaaccess.org. There, you can also become a member of our organization, browse our growing library of materials and find out about the Aphasia Access Academy. If you have an idea for a future podcast episode, email us at info@aphasiaaccess.org. Thanks again for your ongoing support of Aphasia Access. For Aphasia Access Conversations, I'm Lyssa Rome. Resources Obermeyer, J. (2024). Using and modifying standardized restorative treatments in aphasia: Clinician perspectives. American Journal of Speech‑Language Pathology. Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1044/2024_AJSLP-23-00349 Obermeyer, J., Leaman, M., & Oleson, J. (2025). Feasibility and preliminary data for a training protocol and perceptual rating scale of linguistic conversation measures in aphasia. American Journal of Speech‑Language Pathology. Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1044/2025_AJSLP-24-00420 Obermeyer, J. A., Rogalski, Y., & Edmonds, L. A. (2021). Attentive reading with constrained summarization-written, a multi-modality discourse-level treatment for mild aphasia. Aphasiology, 35(1), 100-125. Obermeyer, J. A., & Edmonds, L. A. (2018). Attentive reading with constrained summarization adapted to address written discourse in people with mild aphasia. American Journal of Speech‑Language Pathology, 27(1S), 392–405. https://doi.org/10.1044/2017_AJSLP-16-0200 Obermeyer, J. A., Leaman, M. C., & Edmonds, L. A. (2020). Evaluating change in the conversation of a person with mild aphasia after Attentive Reading with Constrained Summarization–Written treatment. American Journal of Speech‑Language Pathology, 29(3), 1618–1628. https://doi.org/10.1044/2020_AJSLP-19-00078 Obermeyer, J., Edmonds, L., & Morgan, J. (2024). Handwritten and typed discourse in people with aphasia: Reference data for sequential picture description and comparison of performance across modality. American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology, 33(6S), 3170-3185  

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Ground Truths
AI Snake Oil—A New Book by 2 Princeton University Computer Scientists

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Play Episode Listen Later Sep 24, 2024 39:24


Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor are well regarded computer scientists at Princeton University and have just published a book with a provocative title, AI Snake Oil. Here I've interviewed Sayash and challenged him on this dismal title, for which he provides solid examples of predictive AI's failures. Then we get into the promise of generative AI.Full videos of all Ground Truths podcasts can be seen on YouTube here. The audios are also available on Apple and Spotify.Transcript with links to audio and external links to key publications Eric Topol (00:06):Hello, it's Eric Topol with Ground Truths, and I'm delighted to welcome the co-author of a new book AI SNAKE OIL and it's Sayash Kapoor who has written this book with Arvind Narayanan of Princeton. And so welcome, Sayash. It's wonderful to have you on Ground Truths.Sayash Kapoor (00:28):Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.Eric Topol (00:31):Well, congratulations on this book. What's interesting is how much you've achieved at such a young age. Here you are named in TIME100 AI's inaugural edition as one of those eminent contributors to the field. And you're currently a PhD candidate at Princeton, is that right?Sayash Kapoor (00:54):That's correct, yes. I work at the Center for Information Technology Policy, which is a joint program between the computer science department and the school of public and international affairs.Eric Topol (01:05):So before you started working on your PhD in computer science, you already were doing this stuff, I guess, right?Sayash Kapoor (01:14):That's right. So before I started my PhD, I used to work at Facebook as a machine learning engineer.Eric Topol (01:20):Yeah, well you're taking it to a more formal level here. Before I get into the book itself, what was the background? I mean you did describe it in the book why you decided to write a book, especially one that was entitled AI Snake Oil: What Artificial Intelligence Can Do, What It Can't, and How to Tell the Difference.Background to Writing the BookSayash Kapoor (01:44):Yeah, absolutely. So I think for the longest time both Arvind and I had been sort of looking at how AI works and how it doesn't work, what are cases where people are somewhat fooled by the potential for this technology and fail to apply it in meaningful ways in their life. As an engineer at Facebook, I had seen how easy it is to slip up or make mistakes when deploying machine learning and AI tools in the real world. And had also seen that, especially when it comes to research, it's really easy to make mistakes even unknowingly that inflate the accuracy of a machine learning model. So as an example, one of the first research projects I did when I started my PhD was to look at the field of political science in the subfield of civil war prediction. This is a field which tries to predict where the next civil war will happen and in order to better be prepared for civil conflict.(02:39):And what we found was that there were a number of papers that claimed almost perfect accuracy at predicting when a civil war will take place. At first this seemed sort of astounding. If AI can really help us predict when a civil war will start like years in advance sometimes, it could be game changing, but when we dug in, it turned out that every single one of these claims where people claim that AI was better than two decades old logistic regression models, every single one of these claims was not reproducible. And so, that sort of set the alarm bells ringing for the both of us and we sort of dug in a little bit deeper and we found that this is pervasive. So this was a pervasive issue across fields that were quickly adopting AI and machine learning. We found, I think over 300 papers and the last time I compiled this list, I think it was over 600 papers that suffer from data leakage. That is when you can sort of train on the sets that you're evaluating your models on. It's sort of like teaching to the test. And so, machine learning model seems like it does much better when you evaluate it on your data compared to how it would really work out in the real world.Eric Topol (03:48):Right. You say in the book, “the goal of this book is to identify AI snake oil - and to distinguish it from AI that can work well if used in the right ways.” Now I have to tell you, it's kind of a downer book if you're an AI enthusiast because there's not a whole lot of positive here. We'll get to that in a minute. But you break down the types of AI, which I'm going to challenge a bit into three discrete areas, the predictive AI, which you take a really harsh stance on, say it will never work. Then there's generative AI, obviously the large language models that took the world by storm, although they were incubating for several years when ChatGPT came along and then content moderation AI. So maybe you could tell us about your breakdown to these three different domains of AI.Three Types of AI: Predictive, Generative, Content ModerationSayash Kapoor (04:49):Absolutely. I think one of our main messages across the book is that when we are talking about AI, often what we are really interested in are deeper questions about society. And so, our breakdown of predictive, generative, and content moderation AI sort of reflects how these tools are being used in the real world today. So for predictive AI, one of the motivations for including this in the book as a separate category was that we found that it often has nothing to do with modern machine learning methods. In some cases it can be as simple as decades old linear regression tools or logistic regression tools. And yet these tools are sold under the package of AI. Advances that are being made in generative AI are sold as if they apply to predictive AI as well. Perhaps as a result, what we are seeing is across dozens of different domains, including insurance, healthcare, education, criminal justice, you name it, companies have been selling predictive AI with the promise that we can use it to replace human decision making.(05:51):And I think that last part is where a lot of our issues really come down to because these tools are being sold as far more than they're actually capable of. These tools are being sold as if they can enable better decision making for criminal justice. And at the same time, when people have tried to interrogate these tools, what we found is these tools essentially often work no better than random, especially when it comes to some consequential decisions such as job automation. So basically deciding who gets to be called on the next level of like a job interview or who is rejected, right as soon as they submit the CV. And so, these are very, very consequential decisions and we felt like there is a lot of snake oil in part because people don't distinguish between applications that have worked really well or where we have seen tremendous advances such as generative AI and applications where essentially we've stalled for a number of decades and these tools don't really work as claimed by the developers.Eric Topol (06:55):I mean the way you partition that, the snake oil, which is a tough metaphor, and you even show the ad from 1905 of snake oil in the book. You're really getting at predictive AI and how it is using old tools and selling itself as some kind of breakthrough. Before I challenge that, are we going to be able to predict things? By the way, using generative AI, not as you described, but I would like to go through a few examples of how bad this has been and since a lot of our listeners and readers are in the medical world or biomedical world, I'll try to get to those. So one of the first ones you mentioned, which I completely agree, is how prediction of Covid from the chest x-ray and there were thousands of these studies that came throughout the pandemic. Maybe you could comment about that one.Some Flagrant ExamplesSayash Kapoor (08:04):Absolutely. Yeah, so this is one of my favorite examples as well. So essentially Michael Roberts and his team at the University of Cambridge a year or so after the pandemic looked back at what had happened. I think at the time there were around 500 studies that they included in the sample. And they looked back to see how many of these would be useful in a clinical setting beyond just the scope of writing a research paper. And they started out by using a simple checklist to see, okay, are these tools well validated? Does the training and the testing data, is it separate? And so on. So they ran through the simple checklist and that excluded all but 60 of these studies from consideration. So apart from 60 studies, none of these other studies even passed a very, very basic criteria for being included in the analysis. Now for these 60, it turns out that if you take a guess about how many were useful, I'm pretty confident most cases would be wrong.(09:03):There were exactly zero studies that were useful in a clinically relevant setting. And the reasons for this, I mean in some cases the reasons were as bizarre as training a machine learning model to predict Covid where all of the positive samples of people who had Covid were from adults. But all of the negative samples of people who didn't have Covid were from children. And so, essentially claiming that the resulting classifier can predict who has Covid is bizarre because all the classifier is doing is looking at the checks history and basically predicting which x-ray belongs to a child versus an adult. And so, this is the sort of error in some cases we saw duplicates in the training and test set. So you have the same person that is being used for training the model and that it is also used for evaluating the model. So simply memorizing a given sample of x-rays would be enough to achieve a very high performance. And so, for issues like these, I think all 60 of these studies prove to be not useful in a clinically relevant setting. And I think this is sort of the type of pattern that we've seen over and over again.Eric Topol (10:14):Yeah, and I agree with you on that point. I mean that was really a flagrant example and that would fulfill your title of your book, which as I said is a very tough title. But on page 29, and we'll have this in the post. You have a figure, the landscape of AI snake oil, hype, and harm. And the problem is there is nothing good in this landscape. So on the y-axis you have works, hype, snake oil going up on the y-axis. And on the x-axis, you have benign and harmful. So the only thing you have that works and that's benign is autocomplete. I wouldn't say that works. And then you have works facial recognition for surveillance is harmful. This is a pretty sobering view of AI. Obviously, there's many things that are working that aren't on this landscape. So I just would like to challenge, are you a bit skewed here and only fixating on bad things? Because this diagram is really rough. I mean, there's so much progress in AI and you have in here you mentioned the predicting civil wars, and obviously we have these cheating detection, criminal risk prediction. I mean a lot of problems, video interviews that are deep fakes, but you don't present any good things.Optimism on Generative AISayash Kapoor (11:51):So to be clear, I think both Arvind and are somewhat paradoxically optimistic about the future of generative AI. And so, the decision to focus on snake oil was a very intentional one from our end. So in particular, I think at various places in the book we outline why we're optimistic, what types of applications we think we're optimistic about as well. And the reason we don't focus on them is that it basically comes down to the fact that no one wants to read a book that has 300 pages about the virtues of spellcheck or AI for code generation or something like that. But I think I completely agree and acknowledge that there are lots of positive applications that didn't make the cut for the book as well. That was because we wanted people to come to this from a place of skepticism so that they're not fooled by the hype.(12:43):Because essentially we see even these positive uses of AI being lost out if people have unrealistic expectations from what an AI tool should do. And so, pointing out snake oil is almost a prerequisite for being able to use AI productively in your work environment. I can give a couple of examples of where or how we've sort of manifested this optimism. One is AI for coding. I think writing code is an application that I do, at least I use AI a lot. I think almost half of the code I write these days is generated, at least the first draft is generated using AI. And yet if I did not know how to program, it would be a completely different question, right? Because for me pointing out that, oh, this syntax looks incorrect or this is not handling the data in the correct way is as simple as looking at a piece of code because I've done this a few times. But if I weren't an expert on programming, it would be completely disastrous because even if the error rate is like 5%, I would have dozens of errors in my code if I'm using AI to generate it.(13:51):Another example of how we've been using it in our daily lives is Arvind has two little kids and he's built a number of applications for his kids using AI. So I think he's a big proponent of incorporating AI into children's lives as a force for good rather than having a completely hands-off approach. And I think both of these are just two examples, but I would say a large amount of our work these days occurs with the assistance of AI. So we are very much optimistic. And at the same time, I think one of the biggest hindrances to actually adopting AI in the real world is not understanding its limitations.Eric Topol (14:31):Right. Yeah, you say in the book quote, “the two of us are enthusiastic users of generative AI, both in our work and our personal lives.” It just doesn't come through as far as the examples. But before I leave the troubles of predictive AI, I liked to get into a few more examples because that's where your book shines in convincing that we got some trouble here and we need to be completely aware. So one of the most famous, well, there's a couple we're going to get into, but one I'd like to review with you, it's in the book, is the prediction of sepsis in the Epic model. So as you know very well, Epic is the most used IT and health systems electronic health records, and they launched never having published an algorithm that would tell when the patient was hospitalized if they actually had sepsis or risk of sepsis. Maybe you could take us through that, what you do in the book, and it truly was a fiasco.The Sepsis DebacleSayash Kapoor (15:43):Absolutely. So I think back in 2016/2017, Epic came up with a system that would help healthcare providers predict which patients are most at risk of sepsis. And I think, again, this is a very important problem. I think sepsis is one of the leading causes of death worldwide and even in the US. And so, if we could fix that, I think it would be a game changer. The problem was that there were no external validations of this algorithm for the next four years. So for four years, between 2017 to 2021, the algorithm wasn't used by hundreds of hospitals in the US. And in 2021, a team from University of Michigan did this study in their own hospital to see what the efficacy of the sepsis prediction model is. They found out that Epic had claimed an AUC of between 0.76 and 0.83, and the actual AUC was closer to 0.6, and AUC of 0.5 is making guesses at random.(16:42):So this was much, much worse than the company's claims. And I think even after that, it still took a year for sepsis to roll back this algorithm. So at first, Epic's claims were that this model works well and that's why hospitals are adopting it. But then it turned out that Epic was actually incentivizing hospitals to adopt sepsis prediction models. I think they were giving credits of hundreds of thousands of dollars in some cases. If a hospital satisfied a certain set of conditions, one of these conditions was using a sepsis prediction model. And so, we couldn't really take their claims at face value. And finally in October 2022, Epic essentially rolled back this algorithm. So they went from this one size fits all sepsis prediction model to a model that each hospital has to train on its own data, an approach which I think is more likely to work because each hospital's data is different. But it's also more time consuming and expensive for the hospitals because all of a sudden you now need your own data analysts to be able to roll out this model to be able to monitor it.(17:47):I think this study also highlights many of the more general issues with predictive AI. These tools are often sold as if they're replacements for an existing system, but then when things go bad, essentially they're replaced with tools that do far less. And companies often go back to the fine print saying that, oh, we should always deploy it with the human in the loop, or oh, it needs to have these extra protections that are not our responsibility, by the way. And I think that gap between what developers claim and how the tool actually works is what is most problematic.Eric Topol (18:21):Yeah, no, I mean it's an egregious example, and again, it fulfills like what we discussed with statistics, but even worse because it was marketed and it was incentivized financially and there's no doubt that some patients were completely miscategorized and potentially hurt. The other one, that's a classic example that went south is the Optum UnitedHealth algorithm. Maybe you could take us through that one as well, because that is yet another just horrible case of how people were discriminated against.The Infamous Optum AlgorithmSayash Kapoor (18:59):Absolutely. So Optum, another health tech company created an algorithm to prioritize high risk patients for preemptive care. So I think it was around when Obamacare was being introduced that insurance networks started looking into how they could reduce costs. And one of the main ways they identified to reduce costs is basically preemptively caring for patients who are extremely high risk. So in this case, they decided to keep 3% of the patients in the high risk category and they built a classifier to decide who's the highest risk, because potentially once you have these patients, you can proactively treat them. There might be fewer emergency room visits, there might be fewer hospitalizations and so on. So that's all fine and good. But what happened when they implemented the algorithm was that every machine learning model needs like the target variable, what is being predicted at the end of the day. What they decided to predict was how much patient would pay, how much would they charge, what cost the hospital would incur if they admitted this patient.(20:07):And they essentially use that to predict who should be prioritized for healthcare. Now unsurprisingly, it turned out that white patients often pay a lot more or are able to pay a lot more when it comes to hospital visits. Maybe it's because of better insurance or better conditions at work that allow them to take leave and so on. But whatever the mechanism is, what ended up happening with this algorithm was I think black patients with the same level of healthcare prognosis were half as likely or about much less likely compared to white ones of getting enrolled in this high risk program. So they were much less likely to get this proactive care. And this was a fantastic study by Obermeyer, et al. It was published in Science in 2019. Now, what I think is the most disappointing part of this is that Optum did not stop using this algorithm after this study was released. And that was because in some sense the algorithm was working precisely as expected. It was an algorithm that was meant to lower healthcare costs. It wasn't an algorithm that was meant to provide better care for patients who need it most. And so, even after this study was rolled out, I think Optum continued using this algorithm as is. And I think as far as I know, even today this is or some version of this algorithm is still in use across the network of hospitals that Optum serves.Eric Topol (21:31):No, it's horrible the fact that it was exposed by Ziad Obermeyer's paper in Science and that nothing has been done to change it, it's extraordinary. I mean, it's just hard to imagine. Now you do summarize the five reasons predictive AI fails in a nice table, we'll put that up on the post as well. And I think you've kind of reviewed that as these case examples. So now I get to challenge you about predictive AI because I don't know that such a fine line between that and generative AI are large language models. So as you know, the group at DeepMind and now others have done weather forecasting with multimodal large language models and have come up with some of the most accurate weather forecasting we've ever seen. And I've written a piece in Science about medical forecasting. Again, taking all the layers of a person's data and trying to predict if they're high risk for a particular condition, including not just their electronic record, but their genomics, proteomics, their scans and labs and on and on and on exposures, environmental.Multimodal A.I. in Medicine(22:44):So I want to get your sense about that because this is now a coalescence of where you took down predictive AI for good reasons, and then now these much more sophisticated models that are integrating not just large data sets, but truly multimodal. Now, some people think multimodal means only text, audio, speech and video images, but here we're talking about multimodal layers of data as for the weather forecasting model or earthquake prediction or other things. So let's get your views on that because they weren't really presented in the book. I think they're a positive step, but I want to see what you think.Sayash Kapoor (23:37):No, absolutely. I think maybe the two questions are sort of slightly separate in my view. So for things like weather forecasting, I think weather forecasting is a problem that's extremely tenable for generative AI or for making predictions about the future. And I think one of the key differences there is that we don't have the problem of feedback loops with humans. We are not making predictions about individual human beings. We are rather making predictions about what happens with geological outcomes. We have good differential equations that we've used to predict them in the past, and those are already pretty good. But I do think deep learning has taken us one step further. So in that sense, I think that's an extremely good example of what doesn't really fit within the context of the chapter because we are thinking about decisions thinking about individual human beings. And you rightly point out that that's not really covered within the chapter.(24:36):For the second part about incorporating multimodal data, genomics data, everything about an individual, I think that approach is promising. What I will say though is that so far we haven't seen it used for making individual decisions and especially consequential decisions about human beings because oftentimes what ends up happening is we can make very good predictions. That's not in question at all. But even with these good predictions about what will happen to a person, sometimes intervening on the decision is hard because oftentimes we treat prediction as a problem of correlations, but making decisions is a problem of causal estimation. And that's where those two sort of approaches disentangle a little bit. So one of my examples, favorite examples of this is this model that was used to predict who should be released before screening when someone comes in with symptoms of pneumonia. So let's say a patient comes in with symptoms of pneumonia, should you release them on the day of?(25:39):Should you keep them in the hospital or should you transfer them to the ICU? And these ML researchers were basically trying to solve this problem. They found out that the neural network model they developed, this was two decades ago, by the way. The neural network model they developed was extremely accurate at predicting who would basically have a high risk of having complications once they get pneumonia. But it turned out that the model was saying essentially that anyone who comes in who has asthma and who comes in with symptoms of pneumonia is the lowest risk patient. Now, why was this? This was because when in the past training data, when some such patients would come into the hospital, these patients would be transferred directly to the ICU because the healthcare professionals realized that could be a serious condition. And so, it turned out that actually patients who had asthma who came in with symptoms of pneumonia were actually the lowest risk amongst the population because they were taken such good care of.(26:38):But now if you use this prediction that a patient comes in with symptoms of pneumonia and they have asthma, and so they're low risk, if you use this to make a decision to send them back home, that could be catastrophic. And I think that's the danger with using predictive models to make decisions about people. Now, again, I think the scope and consequences of decisions also vary. So you could think of using this to surface interesting patterns in the data, especially at a slightly larger statistical level to see how certain subpopulations behave or how certain groups of people are likely to develop symptoms or whatever. But I think when as soon as it comes to making decisions about people, the paradigm of problem solving changes because as long as we are using correlational models, I think it's very hard to say what will happen if we change the conditions, what will happen if the decision making mechanism is very different from one where the data was collected.Eric Topol (27:37):Right. No, I mean where we agree on this is that at the individual level, using multimodal AI with all these layers of data that have now recently become available or should be available, that has to be compared ideally in a randomized trial with standard of care today, which doesn't use any of that. And to see whether or not that decision's made, does it change the natural history and is it an advantage, that's yet to be done. And I agree, it's a very promising pathway for the future. Now, I think you have done what is a very comprehensive sweep on the predictive AI failures. You've mentioned here in our discussion, your enthusiasm and in the book about generative AI positive features and hope and excitement perhaps even. You didn't really yet, we haven't discussed much on the content moderation AI that you have discreetly categorized. Maybe you could just give us the skinny on your sense of that.Content Moderation AISayash Kapoor (28:46):Absolutely. So content moderation AI is AI that's used to sort of clean up social media feeds. Social media platforms have a number of policies about what's allowed and not allowed on the platforms. Simple things such as spam are obviously not allowed because let's say people start spamming the platform, it becomes useless for everyone. But then there are other things like hate speech or nudity or pornography and things like that, which are also disallowed on most if not all social media platforms today. And I think a lot of the ways in which these policies are enforced today is using AI. So you might have an AI model that runs every single time you upload a photo to Facebook, for instance. And not just one perhaps hundreds of such models to detect if it has nudity or hate speech or any of these other things that might violate the platform's terms of service.(29:40):So content moderation AI is AI that's used to make these decisions. And very often in the last few years we've seen that when something gets taken down, for instance, Facebook deletes a post, people often blame the AI for having a poor understanding. Let's say of satire or not understanding what's in the image to basically say that their post was taken down because of bad AI. Now, there have been many claims that content moderation AI will solve social media's problems. In particular, we've heard claims from Mark Zuckerberg who in a senate testimony I think back in 2018, said that AI is going to solve most if not all of their content moderation problems. So our take on content moderation AI is basically this. AI is very, very useful for solving the simple parts of content moderation. What is a simple part? So basically the simple parts of content moderation are, let's say you have a large training data of the same type of policy violation on a platform like Facebook.(30:44):If you have large data sets, and if these data sets have a clear line in the sand, for instance, with nudity or pornography, it's very easy to create classifiers that will automate this. On the other hand, the hard part of content moderation is not actually just creating these AI models. The hard part is drawing the line. So when it comes to what is allowed and not allowed on platforms, these platforms are essentially making decisions about speech. And that is a topic that's extremely fraught. It's fraught in the US, it's also fraught globally. And essentially these platforms are trying to solve this really hard problem at scale. So they're trying to come up with rules that apply to every single user of the platform, like over 3 billion users in the case of Facebook. And this inevitably has these trade-offs about what speech is allowed versus disallowed that are hard to say one way or the other.(31:42):They're not black and white. And what we think is that AI has no place in this hard part of content moderation, which is essentially human. It's essentially about adjudicating between competing interests. And so, when people claim that AI will solve these many problems of content moderation, I think what they're often missing is that there's this extremely large number of things you need to do to get content moderation right. AI solves one of these dozen or so things, which is detecting and taking down content automatically, but all of the rest of it involves essentially human decisions. And so, this is sort of the brief gist of it. There are also other problems. For example, AI doesn't really work so well for low resource languages. It doesn't really work so well when it comes to nuances and so on that we discussed in the book. But we think some of these challenges are solvable in the medium to long term. But these questions around competing interests of power, I think are beyond the domain of AI even in the medium to long term.Age 28! and Career AdviceEric Topol (32:50):No, I think you nailed that. I think this is an area that you've really aptly characterized and shown the shortcomings of AI and how the human factor is so critically important. So what's extraordinary here is you're just 28 and you are rocking it here with publications all over the place on reproducibility, transparency, evaluating generative AI, AI safety. You have a website on AI snake oil that you're collecting more things, writing more things, and of course you have the experience of having worked in the IT world with Facebook and also I guess also Columbia. So you're kind of off to the races here as one of the really young leaders in the field. And I am struck by that, and maybe you could comment about the inspiration you might provide to other young people. You're the youngest person I've interviewed for Ground Truths, by the way, by a pretty substantial margin, I would say. And this is a field where it attracts so many young people. So maybe you could just talk a bit about your career path and your advice for people. They may be the kids of some of our listeners, but they also may be some of the people listening as well.Sayash Kapoor (34:16):Absolutely. First, thank you so much for the kind words. I think a lot of this work is with collaborators without whom of course, I would never be able to do this. I think Arvind is a great co-author and supporter. I think in terms of my career parts, it was sort of like a zigzag, I would say. It wasn't clear to me when I was an undergrad if I wanted to do grad school or go into the industry, and I sort of on a whim went to work at Facebook, and it was because I'd been working on machine learning for a little bit of time, and I just thought, it's worth seeing what the other side has to offer beyond academia. And I think that experience was very, very helpful. One of the things, I talked to a lot of undergrads here at Princeton, and one of the things I've seen people be very concerned about is, what is the grad school they're going to get into right after undergrad?(35:04):And I think it's not really a question you need to answer now. I mean, in some cases I would say it's even very helpful to have a few years of industry experience before getting into grad school. That has definitely, at least that has been my experience. Beyond that, I think working in a field like AI, I think it's very easy to be caught up with all of the new things that are happening each day. So I'm not sure if you know, but AI has I think over 500-1,000 new archive papers every single day. And with this rush, I think there's this expectation that you might put on yourself on being successful requires a certain number of publications or a certain threshold of things. And I think more often than not, that is counterproductive. So it has been very helpful for me, for example, to have collaborators who are thinking long term, so this book, for instance, is not something that would be very valued within the CS community, I would say. I think the CS community values peer-reviewed papers a lot more than they do books, and yet we chose to write it because I think the staying power of a book or the longevity of a book is much more than any single paper could do. So the other concrete thing I found very helpful is optimizing for a different metric compared to what the rest of the community seems to be doing, especially when it comes to fast moving fields like AI.Eric Topol (36:29):Well, that last piece of advice is important because I think too often people, whether it's computer scientists, life scientists, whoever, they don't realize that their audience is much broader. And that reaching the public with things like a book or op-eds or essays, varied ways that are intended for public consumption, not for, in this case, computer scientists. So that's why I think the book is a nice contribution. I don't like the title because it's so skewed. And also the content is really trying to hammer it at home. I hope you write a sequel book on the positive sides of AI. I did want to ask you, when I read the book, I thought I heard your voice. I thought you had written the book, and Arvind maybe did some editing. You wrote about Arvind this and Arvind that. Did you write the first draft of the book and then he kind of came along?Sayash Kapoor (37:28):No, absolutely not. So the way we wrote the book was we basically started writing it in parallel, and I wrote the first draft of half the chapters and he wrote the first draft of the other half, and that was essentially all the way through. So we would sort of write a draft, pass it to the other person, and then keep doing this until we sent it to our publishers.Eric Topol (37:51):Okay. So I guess I was thinking of the chapters you wrote where it came through. I'm glad that it was a shared piece of work because that's good, because that's what co-authoring is all about, right? Well, Sayash, it's really been a joy to meet you and congratulations on this book. I obviously have expressed my objections and my disagreements, but that's okay because this book will feed the skeptics of AI. They'll love this. And I hope that the positive side, which I think is under expressed, will not be lost and that you'll continue to work on this and be a conscience. You may know I've interviewed a few other people in the AI space that are similarly like you, trying to assure its safety, its transparency, the ethical issues. And I think we need folks like you. I mean, this is what helps get it on track, keeping it from getting off the rails or what it shouldn't be doing. So keep up the great work and thanks so much for joining.Sayash Kapoor (39:09):Thank you so much. It was a real pleasure.************************************************Thanks for listening, reading or watching!The Ground Truths newsletters and podcasts are all free, open-access, without ads.Please share this post/podcast with your friends and network if you found it informative!Voluntary paid subscriptions all go to support Scripps Research. 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Eclipse On Tap
Episode 77 - All Trails Lead to the Eclipse (feat. Don Lee & Bryan Obermeyer)

Eclipse On Tap

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 3, 2024 92:44


On this episode of Eclipse on Tap, we welcome first time guest, Don Lee to Pub 39A Studios and welcome back Bryan Oberymeyer to discuss their 2024 totality experience in Ohio. From seeking out mountain bike trails in advance, to finding the perfect spot for viewing totality, their stories provide great conversation on Episode 77. Available now on your favorite podcast platforms. Give us a follow on our social media pages at @eclipseontap [Episode recorded live from Pub 39A on 6/6/24. Produced by Matt Deighton]

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FlyingTalkers
Employing People & The Right Stuff

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Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2024 21:45


Great interview with Andreas Obermeyer about employing and retaining the right person in transport and logistics. Mr. Obermeyer is an expert who has a wide horizon on the global labor market in logistics; a first-class consultant who works with la crème of logistics in Europe. Born and grown in Basel, he completed his apprenticeship in freight forwarding after his “Matura”, i.e. the college certificate valid in Switzerland. After positions in Schenker and Danzas, world famous in those years, Andreas started to work in consulting in 1997, since 2001 in HR executive search and personnel consultancy. Conversation with Marco Sorgetti read by Geoffrey Arend is 20 minutes of power & interest.

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The TJB Show: Karl Obermeyer / Tim Lyngen

The Inherent Dream Podcast Network

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 7, 2024 61:03


Karl Obermeyer is from the Twin Cities rock band Capital Sons and he joins the show to share some memories and pay tribute to the late Mike Jueneman (former drummer of the band), and Karl will also talk about the busy summer ahead for the band. Then, Trevor is joined by friend Tim Lyngen and the two recap the Minnesota Timberwolves season. To close the show, Trevor has his Parting Gift Commentary where he offers some encouragement.

The Powell Movement Action Sports Podcast
TPM Episode 384: Peter Olenick, Pro Skier

The Powell Movement Action Sports Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2024 83:57


Peter Olenick changed halfpipe skiing when he landed the first double in competition. His “Whiskey Flip” defined Peter's life on and off snow; he went big, took chances, and partied his face off during his legendary career. He was on top of the contest world during one of the most run eras. On the podcast, we talk about not being cool growing up, Aspen, finding confidence at High North Ski Camp, success, partying, and a lot more. Colby James West asks the ‘Inappropriate Questions.' Peter Olenick Show Notes: 4:00: Biggest birthday party, JOSS, Playboy Mansion, Aspen, different ski coaches, the joy of divorce, Steele rivalry, and the twin tip revolution 21:00:  Liquid Force: Since 95, Liquid Force has outperformed the competition and turned a sport into a lifestyle. Use the code POWELL15 for 15% off LF orders at LiquidForce.com Stanley:  Save 30% off at Stanley1913.com Using the code SNOW30 at checkout Best Day Brewing:  All of the flavor of your favorite IPA or Kolsch, without the alcohol, the calories and sugar. 24:00:  High North Ski Camp changed his life, Obermeyer, X-Games to Aspen, trying to qualify, partying, and filming. Elan Skis:  Over 75 years of innovation that makes you better. 41:00:  Peter Glenn Ski and Sports:  Over 60 years of getting you out there.  Outdoor Research:  Click here for 25% off Outdoor Research products (not valid on sale items or pro products) 44:00:  His Crew, finally qualifying for X in slope and pipe, X Games, contest mentality, sponsors, and money 50:00:  Pranks, biggest 10% rule, X Games Gold, changing the sport, Sarah Burke, and the end of professional skiing 77:00:  Inappropriate Questions with Colby James West  

The Other 80
Untangling AI Bias with Dr. Ziad Obermeyer

The Other 80

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2024 43:09 Transcription Available


Using AI in healthcare comes with a lot of promise - but access to data, lack of clarity about who will pay for these tools and the challenge of creating algorithms without bias are holding us back. In 2023, TIME named Dr. Ziad Obermeyer one of the 100 most influential people working in AI. As a professor at UC Berkeley School of Public Health, and the co-founder of a non-profit and a startup in the AI healthcare space, his work centers on how to leverage AI to improve health and avoid racial bias. We discuss:The idea of a safe harbor for companies to discuss and resolve AI challengesHow his company Dandelion Health is helping solve the data log jam for AI product testingWhy academics need to spend time “on the shop floor”The simple framework for avoiding AI bias he shared in his recent testimony to the Senate Finance Committee Ziad says without access to the right data, AI systems can't offer equitable solutions: “I think data is the biggest bottleneck to these things, and that bottleneck is even more binding in less well-resourced hospitals… When we look around and we see, ‘well, there are all these health algorithms that are in medical journals and people are publishing about them'. The majority of those things come from Palo Alto, Rochester, Minnesota [and] Boston. And, those patients are wonderful and they deserve to have algorithms trained on them and learning about them, but they are not representative of the rest of the country – let alone the rest of the world. And so, we have these huge disparities in the data from which algorithms are learning. And then those mirror the disparities and where algorithms can be applied.”Relevant LinksDr. Obermeyer's profile at UC Berkeley School of Public HealthZiad Obermeyer's testimony to the Senate Finance Committee on how AI can help healthcareMore about Nightingale Open ScienceMore about Dandelion HealthArticle on dissecting racial bias in algorithmsArticle On the Inequity of Predicting A While Hoping for B. AER: P&P 2021 (with Sendhil Mullainathan)About Our GuestDr. Ziad Obermeyer is the Blue Cross of California Distinguished Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management at UC Berkeley School of Public Health. His research uses machine learning to help doctors make better decisions, and help researchers make new discoveries—by ‘seeing' the world the way algorithms do. His work on algorithmic racial bias has impacted how many organizations build and use algorithms, and how lawmakers and regulators hold AI accountable. He is a cofounder of Nightingale Open Science and Dandelion Health, a Chan Zuckerberg Biohub Investigator, a Faculty Research Fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research, and was named one of the 100 most influential people in AI by TIME. Previously, he was...

Eclipse On Tap
Episode 71 - Totality Chase in a Mobile Base (feat. Bryan Obermeyer)

Eclipse On Tap

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2024 63:21


On this episode, we welcome back a special guest to the podcast: Bryan Obermeyer, organizer of the Grattan Race Series and Eclipse on Tap cycling team's Director Sportif. The Grattan Race Series is entering its 44th year this May of bringing premier exhibition road racing to west Michigan at Grattan Raceway in Grattan Twp, MI. In the first half, we hype up the upcoming 2024 Grattan Race Series and share a few space-theme beers. Most importantly, we provide updates to our fluid 2024 totality plan. After further consideration, we have ultimately decided to rent an RV! In the second half, we reminisce over fun cycling experiences over the years at Grattan, talk about the 2099 eclipse that will pass right over the raceway, and close out with a tasty Underbru. Available now on your favorite podcast platforms. Give us a follow on our social media pages at @eclipseontap [Episode recorded live a Pub39A Studios on 2/26/24. Produced by Matt Deighton]

Pioneer Agronomy: Indiana
Entomology and Pest Management with Dr. John Obermeyer

Pioneer Agronomy: Indiana

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2024 12:53


In this episode of the Indiana Pioneer Agronomy podcast, hosts Carl Joern and Ben Jacob discuss entomology and pest management with Dr. John Obermeyer. Dr. Obermeyer is an entomologist and Integrated Pest Mgmt Supervisor with the Purdue University extension. The trio dive into cold weather and the impact it has on soil and crop pests. ResourcesInsect Survival in Cold and/or Saturated Conditions: https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/article/insect-survival-in-cold-and-or-saturated-conditions-chill-and-dont-breathe/

Origins: Explorations of thought-leaders' pivotal moments
James Evans - Cultural observatories, knowledge communities, and a life resplendent with ideas

Origins: Explorations of thought-leaders' pivotal moments

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2024 78:13


James Evans' life is one resplendent with ideas. His trajectory into research and learning in areas as wide as network science, collective intelligence, computational social science, and even how knowledge is created, is as irreducible as it is exhilarating, and is a beacon in disorienting times marked by seemingly accelerating paces of change. Origins Podcast WebsiteFlourishing Commons NewsletterShow Notes:cultural and knowledge observatories (05:30)Mark Granovetter (09:15)Steve Barley (10:30)Woody Powell (10:30)Chris Summerfield (11:00)Some papers mentioned:Metaknowledge (17:10)Weaving the fabric of science: Dynamic network models of science's unfolding structure (18:30)Abduction (21:30)epistemic space (22:40)Claude Lévi-Strauss (24:20)Clifford Geertz (24:30)"Dissecting racial bias in an algorithm used to manage the health of populations" Obermeyer et al. (30:00)Scarcity Sendhil Mullainathan (35:00)The Knowledge Lab (36:00)"Quantifying the dynamics of failure across science, startups and security" Yin et al. (45:00)Charles Sanders Peirce (51:00)Pirkei Avot (56:00)Alison Gopnik on explore-exploit (01:02:30)Elise Boulding "the 200-year present" (01:03:00)Jo Guldi (01:06:00)Lightning Round (01:06:30):Book: The Enigma of ReasonPassion: physical exploration and spiritual callingHeart sing: 'social science fiction' and Hod LipsonScrewed up: management style at timesJames online:@profjamesevansThe Knowledge Lab'Five-Cut Fridays' five-song music playlist series  James' playlistLogo artwork Cristina GonzalezMusic by swelo

The Inherent Dream Podcast Network
The Best of The Trevor J. Brown Show: Karl Obermeyer from the band Capital Sons

The Inherent Dream Podcast Network

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2023 39:46


On September 8th 2023, Trevor had the opportunity to talk with musician Karl Obermeyer from the Twin Cities rock band Capital Sons. In the interview the two discuss Karl's early musical inspiration, lineup changes within the band, the future of the band and also the current state of the music scene in the Twin Cities. Also on September 8th 2023, Trevor debuted a new commentary segment as an ode to Andy Rooney and also Jerry Springer. In this commentary, Trevor discusses the summer of the fragile, white, millennial and gen x'er man.

NEJM AI Grand Rounds
The Double-Edged Sword of AI, with Dr. Ziad Obermeyer

NEJM AI Grand Rounds

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 27, 2023 73:52 Transcription Available


In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Ziad Obermeyer delves into the complex issues of bias, safety, and generalizability of medical AI. Dr. Obermeyer emphasizes the importance of machine learning researchers' task formulation, an often-overlooked yet significant determinant of bias in AI algorithms. Highlighting the dual impact of machine learning, he compares two of his works that demonstrate how AI can either exacerbate or help mitigate health care disparities. Lastly, he discusses the significant challenges encountered in the development of AI models due to siloed and inaccessible data, sharing his own experiences and solutions in tackling this issue. Dr. Obermeyer is the Blue Cross of California Distinguished Professor at the Berkeley School of Public Health, Co-Founder of Nightingale Open Science, and Co-Founder of Dandelion Health. Transcript    

The Dose
Can AI Improve Health Without Perpetuating Bias?

The Dose

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2023 31:30


On this week's episode of The Dose, host Joel Bervell speaks with Dr. Ziad Obermeyer, from the University of California Berkeley's School of Public Health, about the potential of AI in informing health outcomes — for better and for worse. Obermeyer is the author of groundbreaking research on algorithms, which are used on a massive scale in health care systems — for instance, to predict who is likely to get sick and then direct resources to those populations. But they can also entrench racism and inequality into the system.  “We've accumulated so much data in our electronic medical records, in our insurance claims, in lots of other parts of society, and that's really powerful,” Obermeyer says. “But if we aren't super careful in what lessons we learn from that history, we're going to teach algorithms bad lessons, too.” Citations Dr. Ziad Obermeyer Dissecting racial bias in an algorithm used to manage the health of populations Nightingale Open Science

Me, Myself, and AI
Helping Doctors Make Better Decisions With Data: UC Berkeley's Ziad Obermeyer

Me, Myself, and AI

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2023 33:08


When Ziad Obermeyer was a resident in an emergency medicine program, he found himself lying awake at night worrying about the complex elements of patient diagnoses that physicians could miss. He subsequently found his way to data science and research and has since coauthored numerous papers on algorithmic bias and the use of AI and machine learning in predictive analytics in health care.  Ziad joins Sam and Shervin to talk about his career trajectory and highlight some of the potentially breakthrough research he has conducted that's aimed at preventing death from cardiac events, preventing Alzheimer's disease, and treating other acute and chronic conditions. Read the episode transcript here. For more about Ziad: http://ziadobermeyer.com/research Nightingale Open Science: https://www.nightingalescience.org/ Dandelion Health: https://dandelionhealth.ai/ Me, Myself, and AI is a collaborative podcast from MIT Sloan Management Review and Boston Consulting Group and is hosted by Sam Ransbotham and Shervin Khodabandeh. Our engineer is David Lishansky, and the coordinating producers are Allison Ryder and Sophie Rüdinger. Stay in touch with us by joining our LinkedIn group, AI for Leaders at mitsmr.com/AIforLeaders or by following Me, Myself, and AI on LinkedIn. Guest bio: Dr. Ziad Obermeyer works at the intersection of machine learning and health. He is an associate professor and the Blue Cross of California Distinguished Professor at the University of California, Berkeley; a Chan Zuckerberg Biohub Investigator; and a faculty research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research. His papers have appeared in a wide range of journals, including Science, Nature Medicine, and The New England Journal of Medicine; his work on algorithmic bias is frequently cited in the public debate about artificial intelligence. He is a cofounder of Nightingale Open Science, a nonprofit that makes massive new medical imaging data sets available for research, and Dandelion, a platform for AI innovation in health. Obermeyer continues to practice emergency medicine in underserved communities. We encourage you to rate and review our show. Your comments may be used in Me, Myself, and AI materials. We want to know how you feel about Me, Myself, and AI. Please take a short, two-question survey.

Three Beers Inn
Former Host & Co-Founder Robert Obermeyer: Part One

Three Beers Inn

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2022 47:16


Don't worry, you haven't gone mad, this really is an upload from the Best Beer Podcast to EVER exist. Being well over a year since the last time the show aired, it's only fitting that we have the most special & highly regarded guest. Former host and Co-Founder of Three Beers Inn, it's none other than Robert Obermeyer ladies and gentlemen. This one is WAY off the rails. Best listened to whilst drunk *DRINK RESPONSIBLY AND AT YOUR OWN RISK*Welcome to Part One. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Road Signs A Transport Topics Podcast
Roadshow E10: Randy Obermeyer

Road Signs A Transport Topics Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2022 19:07


Randy Obermeyer is flipping the script on finding new diesel technicians. The newest Technology and Maintenance Council chair knows that being a truck mechanic is much more than a dirty job. Today, it requires a deep understanding of diagnostics, electric truck software, circuit boards, telematics and control modules. He also knows this multi-faceted type of talent is hard to come by, but for the people with that talent, he wagers, the job is worth it. Here's a look at the man who is reinventing technician recruiting. For information visit: https://roadsigns.ttnews.com/roadshow-episode-ten/ How'd we do? Give us your listening experience feedback here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdE2YN79GA4zB5BdD7qJoL11xYEqrVrXpZcwhARZgY03D9ntA/viewform?usp=sf_link Follow the RoadSigns: Twitter: @ttroadsigns LinkedIn: RoadSignspodcast Instagram: @roadsignspodcast Join RoadSigns mailing list: roadsigns.ttnews.com/join-the-mailing-list/ For sponsorship and guest inquires please visit: https://roadsigns.ttnews.com/roadsigns-contact/

Eclipse On Tap
Episode 57 - Asteroid Impacts & Underground-Man (feat. Bryan Obermeyer)

Eclipse On Tap

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2022 104:38


On this episode of Eclipse on Tap we talk space, beer, and cycling with Bryan Obermeyer. Bryan has been a longtime fixture of the Grand Rapids cycling community and organizes the annual Grattan Race Series: cycling's longest grand tour. We had a blast chatting about this season's exciting finale and transitioned into discussion surrounding NASA's recent DART mission in the second half. We wrap with some promotion for our 3rd annual UNDERGROUND-MAN event. Be sure to give us a follow on our social media pages at @eclipseontap and check out our website at www.eclipseontap.space [Episode recorded live at Pub39A Studios on 9/28/22. Produced by Matt Deighton]

St. Margaret of York Catholic Church
2014 | #85 - Reflections of the Word / Fr. Obermeyer

St. Margaret of York Catholic Church

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2022 8:40


(Year/Month/Day) Description // Readings (Cycle #)// 1st Reading Psalm 2nd Reading Gospel

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Breakfast with Martin Bester
Vesna Chanel Obermeyer shares how Hospice assisted her mother!

Breakfast with Martin Bester

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2022 7:43


In celebration of Mandela Day Breakfast with Martin Bester and Jacaranda with be assisting Hospice with the help of Good Morning Angels. Vesna Chanel Obermeyer shares how Hospice assisted her mother!

St. Margaret of York Catholic Church
2014 | #75 - Reflections of the Word / Fr. Obermeyer

St. Margaret of York Catholic Church

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 23, 2022 9:29


(Year/Month/Day) Description // Readings (Cycle #)// 1st Reading Psalm 2nd Reading Gospel

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St. Margaret of York Catholic Church
2014 | 51 - Reflections on the Word / Fr. Obermeyer

St. Margaret of York Catholic Church

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2022 6:51


(Year/Month/Day) Description // Readings (Cycle #)// 1st Reading Psalm 2nd Reading Gospel

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Lauschvisite
Lauschvisite #28 mit Alexander Rosendahl und Daniel Obermeyer

Lauschvisite

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2022 40:20


Alexander Rosendahl und Daniel Obermeyer in unserer neuesten Folge #Lauschvisite!

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Low Pressure Podcast: The Podcast for Skiers

Laura Obermeyer is a skier, photographer, filmmaker and artist.  You may recognize her last name as she is the granddaughter of Klaus Obermeyer who founded the revolutionary outerwear brand that bears their name. She’s very involved in the company but keeps that part of her life in the background. We have a great discusson about […] The post #208 Laura Obermeyer appeared first on Low Pressure Podcast.

Low Pressure Podcast: The Podcast for Skiers

Laura Obermeyer is a skier, photographer, filmmaker and artist.  You may recognize her last name as she is the granddaughter of Klaus Obermeyer who founded the revolutionary outerwear brand that bears their name. She's very involved in the company but keeps that part of her life in the background. We have a great discusson about creativity vs. productivity, and about shifting gender dynamics within skiing.  Rounding things out we chat about her youth, splitting time between the mountains of New Hampshire and Colorado, growing up with horses and a big Cowboy projecvt with TGR and lots more. Watch on YouTube - https://youtu.be/yzs55FPOPN4 All THE LPP - https://linktr.ee/LowPressurePodcast  

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In AI We Trust?
Ziad Obermeyer: A physician, academic, McKinsey alum's approach to tackling bias in AI

In AI We Trust?

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 9, 2022 59:09


Ziad Obermeyer is a Professor of Health Policy and Managementat the UC Berkeley School of Public Health where he conducts research at the intersection of machine learning, medicine, and health policy. Previously, he was a professor at Harvard Medical School and consultant at McKinsey & Co. He continues to practice emergency medicine in underserved parts of the US and is also a co-founder of Nightingale Open Science, a computing platform givingresearchers access to massive new health imaging datasets. In this episode, you'll hear how he ended up co-authoring the seminal study to identify bias in AI health systems, published in Science in 2019, and whether you should be using his Algorithmic Bias Playbook.Links to referenced articles and playbook: http://ziadobermeyer.com/research/https://www.chicagobooth.edu/research/center-for-applied-artificial-intelligence/research/algorithmic-bias

Glam & Grow - Fashion, Beauty, and Lifestyle Brand Interviews
Brand positioning and customer experience secrets from gorjana COO Tanya Obermeyer

Glam & Grow - Fashion, Beauty, and Lifestyle Brand Interviews

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2021 29:24


On this week's episode of the Glam & Grow podcast, we chat with Tanya Obermeyer, Chief Operating Officer of gorjana. Since 2004, gorjana has been providing fine jewelry designed to mix, match, and layer - for endless self-expression. Being one of the first to introduce a wholesale website to their customers, gorjana has continued to focus on forward-thinking strategies to grow their brand. As you'll hear in today's episode, this has been crucial in providing their customers with the best experience possible both online and in stores.In this episode, Tanya discusses: gorjana's history and focus as a jewelry brand and her journey with the brand.The behind the scenes of strategically growing the gorjana brand using both e-commerce and retail storesHow the brand has leveraged the layering trend and established itself as ‘the layering authority'What's next for gorjanaYou'll also find out the challenges gorjana has faced during the pandemic and how their sales strategies have proven successful.This episode is sponsored by AttentiveAttentive is a personalized text message marketing platform that lets you communicate with your customers in real-time, engage them with timely campaigns, and help your business drive revenue. Thousands of brands like CB2, Pura Vida, and Coach have created magical customer experiences and driven over 20% of their online revenue using Attentive-powered personalized text messages.  And you, too, can turn SMS into one of your top-three revenue channels in just a few months. Visit attentivemobile.com/wavebreak to learn how you can try it for free.This episode is also brought to you by WavebreakLeading direct-to-consumer brands hire Wavebreak to turn email marketing into a top revenue driver.Most eCommerce brands don't email right... and it costs them. At Wavebreak, our eCommerce email marketing agency helps qualified stores recapture 6-7 figures of lost revenue each year.From abandoned cart emails to Black Friday campaigns, our best-in-class team of email specialists manage the entire process: strategy, design, copywriting, coding, and testing. All aimed at driving growth, profit, brand recognition, and most importantly, ROI.Curious if Wavebreak is right for you? Reach out at  Wavebreak.co

Big Picture Medicine
#066 Bias in Medical AI — Prof Ziad Obermeyer (Berkeley School of Public Health)

Big Picture Medicine

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 4, 2021 47:22


How can we design AI systems which remove human bias — rather than perpetuate it? Ziad Obermeyer is Associate Professor and Blue Cross of California Distinguished Professor of Health Policy and Management at the Berkeley School of Public Health where he researchers and teaches on the intersection of machine learning and healthcare. Some of his most interesting research focuses on algorithmic bias, and how we can better build AI systems which avoid perpetuating and falling into these traps. We talk about his fascinating story, how he created an AI algorithm which actually reduced bias and superseded human performance and some of the things he's learnt along the way. I hope you enjoy. Prof Obermeyer's new initiative: Nightingale Open Source. You can find me on Twitter @MustafaSultan and subscribe to my newsletter on www.musty.io

ManHound Sound Sessions
Travis Obermeyer

ManHound Sound Sessions

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2021 61:31


Interview and live performance from singer/songwriter Travis Obermeyer.

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Highlander Podcast
Heather Raney, Product Manager / Obermeyer | Highlander Podcast

Highlander Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 27, 2021 50:28


On this episode we talk with Heather Raney, a Product Manager for Obermeyer. We talk about how working retail helped her as a designer and manager, the secrets to a good portfolio, and her journey into the industry. Connect with Heather on LinkedIn and check out her portfolio. https://www.linkedin.com/in/heatherraney/ https://heatherraney.carbonmade.com/ Watch these conversations on YouTube! https://bit.ly/33SVb2O Listen to these conversations on the Highlander Podcast. https://opdd.usu.edu/podcast

Two Planker Podcast
20. Laura Obermeyer - Artist

Two Planker Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2021 78:40


Laura Obermeyer is an artist currently based out of Salt Lake City. When she's not taking photos of your favorite skiers, she's sketching pictures of cowboys, or making movies out in Japan. In this episode, we talked about growing up in Connecticut, moving out west after high school, linking up with Taylor Lunquist, getting into photography & drawing, and a bunch of other stuff. We wrap up with viewer questions which can be submitted on our Instagram. @TwoPlankerPod https://www.instagram.com/twoplankerpod/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4DoaAVYv69xAV50r8ezybK Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-planker-podcast/id1546428207 Show Notes: 0:00:00 Ad read 0:00:30 Intro, Who are you and what do you do? 0:01:24 Early life, Klaus Obermeyer history, Ski Sundown 0:11:34 Moving to Aspen after high school, Working for Obermeyer and Newschoolers 0:22:56 Meeting Taylor Lundquist, Shooting Jyosei in Japan 0:49:54 Shooting a second movie 00:53:49 Drawing, Collaborations 1:07:04 Moving to Salt Lake City from Aspen 1:13:54 Listener questions, Goals and advice, Closing

SLP Nerdcast
Creating a Home Program for Mild Aphasia with Leigh Ann Porter

SLP Nerdcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 27, 2021 60:36


Get .1 ASHA CEU hereEpisode Summary:Hey cog-com SLP's, looking for an episode that's just right? This one's for you! This week, the talented, outpatient adult SLP and host of the Speech Uncensored podcast - Leigh Ann Porter-joins Kate to talk about modifying CARTs and spot on ARCS in the creation of home programs for patients with mild aphasia. I promise, it will all make sense when you listen-Leigh Ann does an awesome job explaining so that even Kate (and I) can understand (haha, a little peds SLP humor, this stuff starts out as Greek to us!). You'll learn some tangible, holistic strategies to tackle patient needs across reading, writing, and speaking and get a good sense of how to stay within that magic “Goldilocks Zone” - not too hard, not too easy, just right for each individual client. Leigh Ann lays out a few down-to-earth home program ideas that build on a patient's strengths and foster the autonomy, independence, and the intrinsic motivation required for the hard work of rehab. And of course, there are great resources to explore as you implement these ideas, because Leigh Ann's got your back! Find a chair that's not too soft, some coffee that's not too hot, and cozy up for some nerdy aphasia learning!Learn more about Leah Ann here.Learning Outcomes1. Identify two evidence-based practices to use with patients with mild aphasia. 2. Describe how to modify treatment protocols to increase complexity level for mild aphasia. 3. Identify at least three resources for implementing treatment approaches with mild aphasiaOnline Resources:The Speech Uncensored Podcast: Episode 107: Discourse Treatment in Aphasia Therapy: Attentive Reading Constrained Summarization (ARCS) with Yvonne Rogalski PhD, CCC-SLPEpisode 14: Meaningful Aphasia Therapy with Sarah Baar MA, CCC-SLP.Aditional aphasia episodes on Speech Uncensored Podcast:References:Beeson, P.M. (1999). Treating acquired writing impairment: Strengthening graphemic representations. Aphasiology, 13, 367-386. Beeson, P.M., Hirsch, F., & Rewega, M. (2002). Successful single-word writing treatment: Experimental analysis of four cases. Aphasiology, 16, 456-473-491.Beeson, P. M., Rising, K., & Volk, J. (2003). Writing treatment for severe aphasia. Journal of Speech, Language, Hearing Research, 46, 1038-1060.Beeson, P.M. & Egnor, H. (2006). Combining treatment for written and spoken naming. Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, 12, 816-827.Obermeyer, J. A., & Edmonds, L. A. (2018). Attentive Reading With Constrained Summarization Adapted to Address Written Discourse in People With Mild Aphasia. American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology, 27(1S), 392.Obermeyer, J. A., Rogalski, Y., & Edmonds, L. A. (2019). Attentive Reading with Constrained Summarization-Written, a multi-modality discourse-level treatment for mild aphasia. Aphasiology, 1-26.Rogalski, Y., Altmann, L., & Rosenbek, J. (2014). Retrieval practice and testing improve memory in older adults. Aphasiology, 28:4, 381-400.Rogalski, Y. & Edmonds, L. (2008). Attentive Reading and Constrained Summarisation (ARCS) treatment in primary progressive aphasia: A case study. Aphasiology. 22. 763-775.Rogalski, Y., Edmonds, L., Daly, V., & Gardner, M. (2013). Attentive Reading and Constrained Summarisation (ARCS) discourse treatment for chronic Wernicke's aphasia. Aphasiology, 27:10, 1232-125Disclosures:Leigh Ann Financial Disclosures: Leigh Ann is employed by The University of Kansas Health System and receive honorariums from SpeechTherapyPD.com. Non-financial Disclosures: Leah Ann is the host of the Speech Uncensored Podcast.Kate Grandbois financial disclosures: Kate is the owner / founder of Grandbois Therapy + Consulting, LLC and co-founder of SLP Nerdcast. Kate Grandbois non-financial disclosures: Kate is a member of ASHA, SIG 12, and serves on the AAC Advisory Group for Massachusetts Advocates for Children. She is also a member of the Berkshire Association for Behavior Analysis and Therapy (BABAT), MassABA, the Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI) and the corresponding Speech Pathology and Applied Behavior Analysis SIG. Time Ordered Agenda:10 minutes: Introduction, Disclaimers and Disclosures20 minutes: Descriptions of the role evidence-based practices to use with patients with mild aphasia. 15 minutes: Descriptions of modified treatment protocols to increase complexity level for mild aphasia.10 minutes: Descriptions of resources for implementing treatment approaches with mild aphasia5 minutes: Summary and ClosingDisclaimerThe contents of this episode are not meant to replace clinical advice. SLP Nerdcast, its hosts and guests do not represent or endorse specific products or procedures mentioned during our episodes unless otherwise stated. We are NOT PhDs, but we do research our material. We do our best to provide a thorough review and fair representation of each topic that we tackle. That being said, it is always likely that there is an article we've missed, or another perspective that isn't shared. If you have something to add to the conversation, please email us! Wed love to hear from you!__SLP Nerdcast is a podcast for busy SLPs and teachers who need ASHA continuing education credits, CMHs, or professional development. We do the reading so you don't have to! Leave us a review if you feel so inclined!We love hearing from our listeners. Email us at info@slpnerdcast.com anytime! You can find our complaint policy here. You can also:Follow us on instagramFollow us on facebookWe are thrilled to be listed in the Top 25 SLP Podcasts!Thank you FeedSpot!

Becker’s Healthcare -- Spine and Orthopedic Podcast
Dr. Thomas Obermeyer, Orthopedic Surgeon, Barrington Orthopedic Specialists

Becker’s Healthcare -- Spine and Orthopedic Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 24, 2021 11:53


Dr. Thomas Obermeyer, an orthopedic surgeon with Barrington (Ill.) Orthopedic Specialists, joined the podcast to share his career journey and discuss the shift to ASCs, bundled payments and more.

About Your Mother
009 The Lessons Were In How She Lived | Sarai Obermeyer & Amy Kelly

About Your Mother

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 23, 2021 48:56


In honor of International Women's Month, today's episode of About Your Mother brings you a story highlighting the strength and power of maternal lineage. In this dual interview, we celebrate the life of Vera Obermeyer, who recently passed away due to COVID. Our guests are here to talk about her long and colorful life full of purpose. The conversation is with Vera's daughter and granddaughter, Sarai Obermeyer and Amy Kelly. Listen as Sarai and Amy share stories of Vera and her strong, maternal influence on them. They also share some of the family's traumatic past and how it inspired them to lend their voice to those who need it the most.   Breaking the Mold Sarai remembers her mother's advocacy of women's rights when there was hardly any. Vera broke the mold of her time being a mother, career woman, and a strong voice of equality. Yet, she did not aim to bring anyone down but lift everyone to equal status. "There was an understanding that women should have the right and access to fulfill their potential. But that did not mean that when I didn't mind the rights of men, you would want men and boys also to fulfill their potential." - Sarai Obermeyer Vera's views and the virtues she had instilled in them have also led them to a life of helping others and fighting for the marginalized and oppressed.   Relationships Over Everything Sarai takes us through her memories with her mother and how she raised her children and nurtured a career. While it was a big undertaking, Sarai understood that for Vera, having a job was an essential thing in her life. She also reveals that her mother valued relationships over anything. She formed powerful bonds with every person that she held dear, as Sarai found out when she talked to one of her friends: "When I was speaking to her after my mother passed away, she was just tearful. It was so sad. You can just feel the beautiful friendship they had and she then lost by my mother passing away. When you think about it: from 10 to 91... an 81-year-old friendship. How many people have an 81-year-old friendship? Not many." - Sarai Obermeyer   Follow Your Instincts I think being critical, following your own instincts, and making your own choices is really important. - Amy KellyClick To Tweet  Amy shares her grandmother's experiences when raising her children in the 1950s. Women were expected to follow a particular way of life, but Vera didn't go with the flow. She relied on her instincts and what she thought was right. Naturally, people who expect others to conform did not like that. "People thought she was crazy. They really thought she was just beating to her own drum. Yet she just knew the whole time, she just followed her own instincts and made her own decisions with what she felt was right versus what society tells you is right." - Amy Kelly Despite being a woman with strong opinions, Vera never forcefully imposed her own views on her children. She let them choose their own course in life and supported them wholeheartedly. Yet, she was always there to ask the right questions and help them consider their options and think critically at all times.   To learn more about Sarai Obermeyer & Amy Kelly and how one woman inspired them to be better, download and listen to this episode.   Bio: About Amy Kelly Amy Kelly is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist specializing in Child, Adolescent, and Reunification therapy. She graduated from UC Davis with a BA in Psychology, SF State with an MFT in Clinical Psychology and completed CE with the American Academy of Pediatrics. Amy is a member of CAMFT and is featured on Psychology Today Profile and GoodTherapy.org. She has been published on TherapyToday writing on Social Media use and Reunification therapy.   About Sarai Obermeyer Sarai Obermeyer was a Deputy District Attorney at Solano County District Attorney's Office. Sarai focused on preventing violence and stopping discrimination in order to better humani...

AMA Journal of Ethics
Ethics Talk: Health Hazards of Cost Sharing

AMA Journal of Ethics

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2021 11:43


This episode is an audio version of a video interview conducted by the Journal’s Editor in Chief, Dr Audiey Kao, with Dr Ziad Obermeyer, the Blue Cross of California Distinguished Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management at the UC Berkeley School of Public Health. Dr Obermeyer joined us to talk about the potential impact on mortality of cost-sharing practices of health insurers. To watch the full video interview, head to our site, JournalOfEthics.org, or visit our YouTube channel.

Bots & People
#2 Was ist eigentlich RPA - Mit Walter Obermeyer (UiPath)

Bots & People

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2020 53:26


Walter Obermeier ist Geschäftsführer der UiPath GmbH in Deutschland. Walter hat ein großes KnowHow im Bereich von Geschäftsprozessen. In unserem Podcasts sprechen wir über Walters Werdegang, über RPA Use Cases und über berufliche Perspektiven, die sich jetzt und in Zukunft ergeben werden. Hast Du Fragen? Möchtest Du uns Feedback geben? Bist Du interessiert an Trainings zum Thema Automatisierung? Bist Du Experte im Bereich Automatisierung und möchtest im Podcast dabei sein? Melde dich einfach: E-Mail: podcast@botsandpeople.com LinkedIn Olli: https://bit.ly/30a5f4I LinkedIn Nico: https://bit.ly/2QJtSCf

Steministas
Race and Medicine

Steministas

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2020 21:23


This is our second podcast in a two-part series about race. In this podcast, we discuss the role of race in medicine. We review the pros and cons of considering race in medicine. We also talk about the origins of some of the most common race-based medical stereotypes. Finally, beyond human interactions, we reveal how implicit biases can become engrained in the very algorithms and systems that decide our care and further increase health disparities.Sources:Science “Race and Medicine” – Constance Holden 2003BMC Health Services Research “Is race medically relevant? A qualitative study of physicians’attitudes about the role of race in treatment decision-making” - Shedra Amy Snipes et al. 2011Skin tone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/07/22/malone-mukwende-medical-handbook/The problem with race-based medicine:https://www.ted.com/talks/dorothy_roberts_the_problem_with_race_based_medicine?language=enRedheads and pain: https://www.pnas.org/content/100/8/4867Black patients and pain:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-painhttps://www.pnas.org/content/113/16/4296 Meta-analysis of disparities in pain meds:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22239747/In-group bias:http://www.psych.nyu.edu/vanbavel/lab/documents/Mende-Siedlecki.etal.2019.JEPG.pdfSpirometers: “Breathing Race into the Machine” by Lundy BraunOrigin of myths about physiological racial differences: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.htmlJohn Brown’s personal accounts:https://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/jbrown/jbrown.htmlGlomerular Filtration rates and race:https://www.kidney.org/sites/default/files/docs/12-10-4004_abe_faqs_aboutgfrrev1b_singleb.pdfhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9214396/https://medicine.uw.edu/news/uw-medicine-exclude-race-calculation-egfr-measure-kidney-function#:~:text=As%20of%20June%201%2C%202020,excludes%20race%20as%20a%20variable.https://www.kidney.org/news/establishing-task-force-to-reassess-inclusion-race-diagnosing-kidney-diseases Experience of Black physicians:https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/01/880373604/to-be-young-a-doctor-and-black-overcoming-racial-barriers-in-medical-trainingBiDil: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)60052-X/fulltexthttps://www.nature.com/articles/6500489 CYP2D6 gene: https://www.nature.com/articles/gim201680Race and pharmacogenetics: https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/pharmacogenetics-personalized-medicine-and-race-744/Sickle cell disease: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/features/keyfinding-trait.htmlhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2093356/https://digitalwindow.vassar.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1334&context=senior_capstoneBias in Healthcare algorithm:Science “Dissecting racial bias in an algorithm used to manage the health of populations” Obermeyer et al. 2019Nature “Millions affected by racial bias in health-care algorithm” Heidi Ledford 2019https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/racial-bias-medical-algorithm-favors-white-patients-over-sicker-black-patients/

Carmen Ciricillo Show
CCS#008 Decked out in Obermeyer, drinking on a mountain & committed to the rut

Carmen Ciricillo Show

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 2, 2020 59:10


Carmen & Mike talk skiing in Colorado, losing creativity as we age and the ghetto in Cleveland.Contact us at: ciricillo@comcast.netGo to Carmen's Website: http://www.carmenciricillo.com/

Level 20
S1E5: Taylor Lundquist and Laura Obermeyer

Level 20

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2020 63:30


Taylor Lundquist and Laura Obermeyer join Freedle Coty and Conor Smith for a conversation about their short film Jyosei, the value of both filming with all-ladies groups and mixing it up with the boys, Taylor's hectic 2020 season, future endeavors, and more. Visit www.podcast.level1.ski to watch Jyosei as well as a handful of other relevant content collected for your convenience. First aired 8-17-20. Intro track: "REALiTi (Demo)" - Grimes

Souls Outside - Finding the Trail to Stay True to Your Path
Featuring Jackie Obermeyer, PHD, Founder of Tuned Sound Therapy

Souls Outside - Finding the Trail to Stay True to Your Path

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2020 31:40


Welcome to Souls Outside!In this episode…We open by chatting about the things we put aside when we think we should be focusing elsewhere. Next, our featured guest Dr. Jackie Obermeyer joins us for a “fireside” chat before sharing how we can follow in their soulprints by guiding us through a sound meditation!! Headphones highly encouraged!---As always, we have AUDIO, VIDEO & PRINT versions of this content – choose how you prefer to engage!And, join us on Facebook or LinkedIn to join in the conversation, dive deeper into each episode and share what you’ve got on the topic! Plus, be one of the first viewers of each episode by joining us on Facebook for a watch party, every Thursday as each new episode is released! ---Show Notes + Links to Gifts & More!0:00 Welcome & Overview of Today’s Episode0:59 Intro to Souls Outside1:22 Let’s start by chatting about the things we put aside when we think we should be focusing elsewhere. 7:56 We’re joined by Dr. Jackie Obermeyer to learn more about her journey to now!18:50 And let’s learn how to follow in Dr. Jackie Obermeyer’s soulprints by guiding us through a sound meditation!! Headphones highly encouraged!30:06 Thanks to our Founding Sponsors!31:17 P.S. Continue to journey in Dr. Jackie Obermeyer’s Soulprints with50% off a 30 minute Chakra Activation Session! Use Code: soulsoutside when you book!Head to her website to stay in touch for upcoming events & workshops. Plus, check out her Sound Therapy Sessions! Currently offered virtually due to covid! Jackie Obermeyer, PHD, Founder of Tuned Sound TherapyCombining her expertise in neuroplasticity with her 25 years of musical training and performance experience, Dr. Jackie Obermeyer has developed a unique strategy for optimizing energetic health and wellbeing.Working with specific frequencies and combinations of sound, she helps others disrupt limiting subconscious programming and implement new neuro-architecture to support the growth and evolution of their consciousness.Jackie believes that we all have the capacity to thrive in this world, and that all it takes is finding the right frequencies to support the life experiences that we seek.

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de
96-Urgestein Frank Obermeyer über Tradition und Zukunft

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2020 91:12


Zu Gast ist Frank Obermeyer, der in den 60ern in einem Team mit Jupp Heynckes und Hans Siemensmeyer gespielt hat. Seit über 20 Jahren ist er Teamchef der 96-Traditionself. Zunächst sprechen Christian Herde und Dennis Draber über die vielen Aspekte der Niederlage in Bielefeld: Das furchtbare Wetter, die langersehnte Rückkehr von Innenverteidiger Timo Hübers, den fehlenden Bart seines Abwehrpartners Josip Elez, die ausgelassene Riesenchance von Cedric Teuchert und das extrem ärgerliche Gegentor kurz vor Schluss. Dann kommt Frank Obermeyer dazu und verrät uns seine Einschätzung des Spiels. Das 96-Urgestein hat eine konkrete Vision für die Zukunft der Roten und diese auch Martin Kind schon mitgeteilt. Frank möchte nämlich, dass mehr ehemalige 96-Spieler Verantwortung übernehmen und Führungsposten bekleiden. Als mögliche Kandidaten nennt er unter Anderem Legenden der jüngeren Vergangenheit, wie Steven Cherundolo und Altin Lala. Die beiden stehen übrigens bis heute für Hannover 96 auf dem Platz: In der Traditionself, deren Teamchef Frank Obermayer ist. Etwa 10 Mal pro Jahr kommt die Mannschaft zusammen, um Benefiz-Spiele oder auch große Turniere im...

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de
96-Urgestein Frank Obermeyer über Tradition und Zukunft

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2020 91:12


Zu Gast ist Frank Obermeyer, der in den 60ern in einem Team mit Jupp Heynckes und Hans Siemensmeyer gespielt hat. Seit über 20 Jahren ist er Teamchef der 96-Traditionself. Zunächst sprechen Christian Herde und Dennis Draber über die vielen Aspekte der Niederlage in Bielefeld: Das furchtbare Wetter, die langersehnte Rückkehr von Innenverteidiger Timo Hübers, den fehlenden Bart seines Abwehrpartners Josip Elez, die ausgelassene Riesenchance von Cedric Teuchert und das extrem ärgerliche Gegentor kurz vor Schluss. Dann kommt Frank Obermeyer dazu und verrät uns seine Einschätzung des Spiels. Das 96-Urgestein hat eine konkrete Vision für die Zukunft der Roten und diese auch Martin Kind schon mitgeteilt. Frank möchte nämlich, dass mehr ehemalige 96-Spieler Verantwortung übernehmen und Führungsposten bekleiden. Als mögliche Kandidaten nennt er unter Anderem Legenden der jüngeren Vergangenheit, wie Steven Cherundolo und Altin Lala. Die beiden stehen übrigens bis heute für Hannover 96 auf dem Platz: In der Traditionself, deren Teamchef Frank Obermayer ist. Etwa 10 Mal pro Jahr kommt die Mannschaft zusammen, um Benefiz-Spiele oder auch große Turniere im Ausland zu bestreiten. Was die Traditionself so besonders macht, erzählt uns Frank in Folge 29 von 96Freunde der Hannover Podcast. P.S.: Wir sprechen natürlich auch über das Montagsspiel gegen Holstein Kiel.

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de
96-Urgestein Frank Obermeyer über Tradition und Zukunft

96Freunde – Der Hannover-Podcast – meinsportpodcast.de

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2020 91:12


Zu Gast ist Frank Obermeyer, der in den 60ern in einem Team mit Jupp Heynckes und Hans Siemensmeyer gespielt hat. Seit über 20 Jahren ist er Teamchef der 96-Traditionself. Zunächst sprechen Christian Herde und Dennis Draber über die vielen Aspekte der Niederlage in Bielefeld: Das furchtbare Wetter, die langersehnte Rückkehr von Innenverteidiger Timo Hübers, den fehlenden Bart seines Abwehrpartners Josip Elez, die ausgelassene Riesenchance von Cedric Teuchert und das extrem ärgerliche Gegentor kurz vor Schluss. Dann kommt Frank Obermeyer dazu und verrät uns seine Einschätzung des Spiels. Das 96-Urgestein hat eine konkrete Vision für die Zukunft der Roten und diese auch Martin Kind schon mitgeteilt. Frank möchte nämlich, dass mehr ehemalige 96-Spieler Verantwortung übernehmen und Führungsposten bekleiden. Als mögliche Kandidaten nennt er unter Anderem Legenden der jüngeren Vergangenheit, wie Steven Cherundolo und Altin Lala. Die beiden stehen übrigens bis heute für Hannover 96 auf dem Platz: In der Traditionself, deren Teamchef Frank Obermayer ist. Etwa 10 Mal pro Jahr kommt die Mannschaft zusammen, um Benefiz-Spiele oder auch große Turniere im Ausland zu bestreiten. Was die Traditionself so besonders macht, erzählt uns Frank in Folge 29 von 96Freunde der Hannover Podcast. P.S.: Wir sprechen natürlich auch über das Montagsspiel gegen Holstein Kiel. Du möchtest deinen Podcast auch kostenlos hosten und damit Geld verdienen? Dann schaue auf www.kostenlos-hosten.de und informiere dich. Dort erhältst du alle Informationen zu unseren kostenlosen Podcast-Hosting-Angeboten.

Science Signaling Podcast
A worldwide worm survey, and racial bias in a health care algorithm

Science Signaling Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2019 41:34


Earthworms are easy … to find. But despite their prevalence and importance to ecosystems around the world, there hasn't been a comprehensive survey of earthworm diversity or population size. This week in Science, Helen Philips, a postdoctoral fellow at the German Centre for Integrative Biodiversity Research and the Institute of Biology at Leipzig University, and colleagues published the results of their worldwide earthworm study, composed of data sets from many worm researchers around the globe. Host Sarah Crespi gets the lowdown from Philips on earthworm myths, collaborating with worm researchers, and links between worm populations and climate. Read a related commentary here.  Sarah also talks with Ziad Obermeyer, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley, about dissecting out bias in an algorithm used by health care systems in the United States to recommend patients for additional health services. With unusual access to a proprietary algorithm, inputs, and outputs, Obermeyer and his colleagues found that the low amount of health care dollars spent on black patients in the past caused the algorithm to underestimate their risk for poor health in the future. Obermeyer and Sarah discuss how this happened and remedies that are already in progress. Read a related commentary here.  Finally, in the monthly books segment, books host Kiki Sanford interviews author Alice Gorman about her book Dr. Space Junk vs The Universe: Archaeology and the Future. Listen to more book segments on the Science books blog: Books, et al. This week's episode was edited by Podigy. Ads on this week's show: The Tangled Tree: A Radical New History of Life by David Quanmen; MEL Science Download the transcript (PDF) Listen to previous podcasts. About the Science Podcast [Image: Public domain; Music: Jeffrey Cook]

Science Magazine Podcast
A worldwide worm survey, and racial bias in a health care algorithm

Science Magazine Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2019 40:17


Earthworms are easy … to find. But despite their prevalence and importance to ecosystems around the world, there hasn’t been a comprehensive survey of earthworm diversity or population size. This week in Science, Helen Philips, a postdoctoral fellow at the German Centre for Integrative Biodiversity Research and the Institute of Biology at Leipzig University, and colleagues published the results of their worldwide earthworm study, composed of data sets from many worm researchers around the globe. Host Sarah Crespi gets the lowdown from Philips on earthworm myths, collaborating with worm researchers, and links between worm populations and climate. Read a related commentary here.  Sarah also talks with Ziad Obermeyer, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley, about dissecting out bias in an algorithm used by health care systems in the United States to recommend patients for additional health services. With unusual access to a proprietary algorithm, inputs, and outputs, Obermeyer and his colleagues found that the low amount of health care dollars spent on black patients in the past caused the algorithm to underestimate their risk for poor health in the future. Obermeyer and Sarah discuss how this happened and remedies that are already in progress. Read a related commentary here.  Finally, in the monthly books segment, books host Kiki Sanford interviews author Alice Gorman about her book Dr. Space Junk vs The Universe: Archaeology and the Future. Listen to more book segments on the Science books blog: Books, et al. This week’s episode was edited by Podigy. Ads on this week’s show: The Tangled Tree: A Radical New History of Life by David Quanmen; MEL Science Download the transcript (PDF) Listen to previous podcasts. About the Science Podcast [Image: Public domain; Music: Jeffrey Cook]

Toast with Carrie Adams
Toast With Carrie - Erika Obermeyer

Toast with Carrie Adams

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2019 33:50


Touch HD — Erika Obermeyer is the owner and winemaker of Erik Obermeyer wines. Her very own venture following a career spanning 15 odd years between Kleine Zalze and Graham Beck. We chat to her and partner in crime, Neil Germishuis who owns up to being “Chief Cook and Bottlewasher” in the business.

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Porpoise Crispy (A Satire)
Porpoise Crispy V8 N15 "Trazodone"

Porpoise Crispy (A Satire)

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2019 64:20


Porpoise Crispy Podcast Volume #8 Episode #15 Trazodone Curated by Bleepo Sarcophagus/Ryan Obermeyer September 17, 2019 Windowlicker Aphex Twin Aphex Twin Sesame Syrup Cigarettes After Sex Crush The Game of Love (Good BPM Edition) Daft Punk Daft Punk All Flowers In Time Jeff Buckley & Elizabeth Fraser B-sides Do You Know Where Your Children Are Michael Jackson zz - various artists SOS (Theatre Of Delays Remix) Portishead Third The Wild Ones The Push Kings zz - various artists Barracuda (live) Rasputina The Lost & Found Same Ol’ Mistakes Rihanna Rihanna Lullaby (Acoustic) The Cure The Cure (Acoustic) The pCrispy is only an hour of music so I know you’ve got time to enjoy to these bad asses of the Internets:  The Westerino Show Funkytown Bayerclan Squirreling Podcast Secretly Timid Getting It Out

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The Successful Fashion Designer
SFD093 How to Land Your Dream Job in the Outdoor Apparel Industry

The Successful Fashion Designer

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2019 53:02


Fashion is a tough scene. Even when you manage to break into the fashion industry, how do you get into your dream category? With so much competition for design jobs, it seems like luck can play the biggest factor in many designer’s careers. But what if you could make luck work for you?   In this episode, we spoke to Allion Juhasz. Allison has spent ten years in the industry, designing for big outdoor apparel names like Scott, UnderArmor, Obermeyer, and Ultimate Direction.    These opportunities were open to Allison because she made the right moves at the right times. She readily admits that she’s been lucky--but she shares tons of ways that you can become lucky too! Follow her lead, and boost your chances of getting to design for the category YOU want most.   In the interview (which you’ll love), we will cover: How she got into fashion--with a bachelor’s in marine biology How she got “lucky” with jobs--again and again! Why she left her first dream job (and what she would have done differently) Why she quit another job many designers would kill for--without a job lined up! Her tips for networking when it doesn’t come naturally to you How she has scored more great opportunities over the years Why working for a big brand isn’t always the best option How she spends her days in a smaller company with diverse aspects to her role Details about the product design and development process And more!   Resources & People Mentioned Allison on Instagram Allison on LinkedIn Ultimate Direction Successful Fashion Designer: Free Resources for Fashion Designers! Enjoy the show? Help us out by: Rating us on iTunes – it really helps! Subscribing on iTunes Subscribing on YouTube Subscribing on Stitcher Subscribing on Google Play Subscribing on Spotify

Plein Air Art Podcast
Michael Obermeyer on Painting Landscapes for the Air Force, and More

Plein Air Art Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2019 69:49


Eric Rhoads welcomes California landscape painter Michael Obermeyer, whose paintings are in the U.S. Air Force Historical Art Collection in the Smithsonian Institute and the Pentagon.

Steve Hargadon Interviews
Gary Obermeyer: Looking at Education | Steve Hargadon | Jan 29 2013

Steve Hargadon Interviews

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2019 60:15


Gary Obermeyer: Looking at Education | Steve Hargadon | Jan 29 2013 by Steve Hargadon

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Chatty Crafties Podcast
Indecisive Dancemaker: Angie Obermeyer

Chatty Crafties Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2019 51:34


That’s Angie Obermeyer, née Johnson. Semi-professional dancer, reluctant advertiser, wife, and mother of three. She’s a factory sleeper - you wouldn’t know she was a sucker for technique while chatting on the playground afterschool but once you get her talking about it, her passion for dance becomes immediately apparent, as is her drive to make dance performances more accessible to the general public.

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Next Level Skiing
Klaus Obermeyer - It's Easier To Ski Than It Is To Walk

Next Level Skiing

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2018 27:03


Klaus Obermeyer is a living legend. He has had the amazing privilege to see every technological advancement in skiing from the very beginning of the sport. He is 98 years-old and still has a great passion for the sport. If you’re in Aspen, you may even run into him on the Mountain. Tune in to hear Klaus discuss the early days of skiing, his method for teaching beginners, and his secret to a long and healthy life. Topics: [01:55] Klaus made his first pair of skis at two years-old. [02:08] He used the chestnut boards from some orange crates. [03:06] He built a small jump out of snow and generally had a great time sliding around on snow. [03:30] When he was around 4 or 5 years-old, a Norwegian man made him a pair of real skis. [04:45] A Doctor in Hamburg made the first metal ski edges. [06:05] People used different types of wood to make skis, but Americans used Hickory. Hickory is tough, but flexible. [08:58] Klaus made sure that when teaching beginners, he wouldn’t do anything to scare them; scared skiers are stiff skiers. [10:25] When snowboarding came around, it influenced the shape of skis. The shorter and wider skis are great for skiing in heavy, chunky snow. [13:00] Klaus worked to create ski clothing that enhanced the skiing experience; they wanted to make warm, comfortable clothing. [14:25] Klaus still skis, but won’t ski in a storm or when it’s icy. [14:58] At his age, he finds it easier to ski than it is to walk. [15:32] Klaus says the key is to not eat more calories than you burn, workout every day, keep your bones under pressure, and make sure your body is always used to working. [16:15] Never give up working out; Klaus likes swimming. [17:25] Klaus learned a lot about skiing from a sheep herder, who was the first person who knew how to make parallel turns. [18:10] The sheep herder skied to school everyday. [22:00] Norwegians skied for reasons of survival. [24:55] In terms of keeping skiing popular, Klaus says to “just let it happen” and “enjoy the feeling of sliding on snow”   Quotes: “It was a pleasure to see how these skis got...a little bit better. And the sport of skiing kept changing…” -Klaus Obermeyer “...In 1947, there was practically no ski clothing...We developed a lot of it and then got copied by people. The aim was to make ski clothing that makes skiing more enjoyable…” -Klaus Obermeyer “At this point of my age, at 98 and a half years-old, it’s easier to ski than it is to walk.” -Klaus Obermeyer   Resources: Wagner Custom Skis Klaus’ Biography on Obermeyer’s Website

Out of Bounds Podcast
E31 – Laura Obermeyer #2

Out of Bounds Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2018 63:51


Hi everyone! Episode #31 is on and Laura Obermeyer is back. Laura is a photographer, skier, and a member of the Obermeyer family. We talked about all of the awesome things she has coming down... The post E31 – Laura Obermeyer #2 appeared first on Out of Bounds Podcast.

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Out of Bounds podcast
E31 – Laura Obermeyer #2

Out of Bounds podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 1, 2018 63:51


Hi everyone! Episode #31 is on and Laura Obermeyer is back. Laura is a photographer, skier, and a member of the Obermeyer family. We talked about all of the awesome things she has coming down... The post E31 – Laura Obermeyer #2 appeared first on Out of Bounds Podcast.

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Exercise Is Health
E42 - What is rotator cuff disease? An interview with Dr. Thomas Obermeyer

Exercise Is Health

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2018 42:08


This week on the Exercise Is Health podcast, Julie and Charlie interview Dr. Thomas Obermeyer of Barrington Orthopedic Specialists to discuss one of the most common shoulder issues plaguing many people today - rotator cuff disease.  What is rotator cuff disease?  What are contributing factors to it?  What can be done about it?  Check out all of this and more in this week's episode!

Out of Bounds podcast
E12 Laura Obermeyer – Skiing, Photography, and The Family Business

Out of Bounds podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 7, 2018 44:58


Adam Jaber talks with Laura Obermeyer about a wide range of topics including her involvement with the family business, Obermeyer. She also discusses her love of photography and how she ties that in with her... The post E12 Laura Obermeyer – Skiing, Photography, and The Family Business appeared first on Out of Bounds Podcast.

Out of Bounds Podcast
E12 Laura Obermeyer – Skiing, Photography, and The Family Business

Out of Bounds Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 7, 2018 44:58


Adam Jaber talks with Laura Obermeyer about a wide range of topics including her involvement with the family business, Obermeyer. She also discusses her love of photography and how she ties that in with her... The post E12 Laura Obermeyer – Skiing, Photography, and The Family Business appeared first on Out of Bounds Podcast.

Gallery of Curiosities
A Man Named Time by Fredrick Obermeyer

Gallery of Curiosities

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 31, 2017 29:36


A strange story of time and redemption to close the year. Wilson Fowlie narrates.

Gallery of Curiosities
A Man Named Time by Fredrick Obermeyer

Gallery of Curiosities

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2017 29:36


A strange story of time and redemption to close the year. Wilson Fowlie narrates.

New England Journal of Medicine Interviews
NEJM Interview: Dr. Ziad Obermeyer on how collaboration between doctors and computers will help improve medical care.

New England Journal of Medicine Interviews

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2017 11:26


Dr. Ziad Obermeyer is an emergency medicine physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital and an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School. Stephen Morrissey, the interviewer, is the Managing Editor of the Journal. Z. Obermeyer and T.H. Lee. Lost in Thought - The Limits of the Human Mind and the Future of Medicine. N Engl J Med 2017;377:1209-11.

Travis Martin's Weight Loss Ministry and Shibboleth Lifestyle
Travis Martin's Weight Loss Podcast #20 with Alisa Obermeyer

Travis Martin's Weight Loss Ministry and Shibboleth Lifestyle

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2016 62:00


Alisa Obermeyer is down more than 40 pounds.  She looks 10-15 years younger and is feeling fantastic.  She has even started a weight loss support group in her home, helping others lose weight and transform their lives and health just like she has.  Hear more in this exciting live interveiw.  

The CraftSanity Podcast
CraftSanity #18 5.22.06 Lindsay Obermeyer

The CraftSanity Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2006 99:30


So have you heard about the Red Thread Project yet? On this episode you'll hear from Chicago fiber artist Lindsay Obermeyer, creator of the fantastic Red Thread Project, which is under way in Grand Rapids, Michigan.