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In case you missed out on yesterday's email and/or social media announcements: the newest edition of my RLT eBook was released! This has been a long time coming and a labor of love. As decent as the previous versions have been (not trying to toot my own horn), the protocols provided in those editions were, more or less, centered around a particular light irradiance. That meant if you had a device with a different light irradiance, you would have to do some clever calculations to recalibrate your RLT treatment protocol. Thankfully, that is no longer the case.With this newest eBook that is entitled, The Red Light Guide, you now have access to my innovative RLT Treatment Protocol Ecosystem. This ecosystem essentially allows anyone with any RLT device to develop an science-backed, individualized RLT protocol based on what they are trying to treat. Out with the old rigid protocol paradigm, in with the infinitely versatile ecosystem.In today's episode, I begin reading The Red Light Therapy Guide from the very beginning, essentially providing an audiobook version of the eBook. I wade through the Important Concepts and Important Considerations (as it relates to RLT) sections of the eBook, which covers the first ~15 pages of this 130+ page PDF eBook. I will continue reading through this eBook in future solosodes to complete this audio version of the eBook so that you RLT podcast junkies can get your fill of the newest information available. Enjoy! If you found the information in today's episode particularly interesting and/or compelling, please share it with a family member, friend, colleague and/or anyone that you think could benefit and be illuminated by this knowledge. Sharing is caring :)As always, light up your health! - Key Points Introduction (00:00 - 02:00) Red Light vs. Near Infrared Light (02:00 - 04:00)Mitochondria and Red Light Therapy (04:00 - 07:00)Biphasic Dose Response (07:00 - 08:00)Hormesis and Red Light Therapy (08:00 - 09:00)Timing of Red Light Therapy Treatments (09:00 - 11:00)Treating Multiple Areas (11:00 - 12:00)Red Light Therapy Devices (12:00 - 15:00)Clinical Applications of Red Light Therapy (15:00 - 20:00)Safety and Contraindications (20:00 - 22:00)Red Light Therapy Protocols (22:00 - 28:00)Future Directions of Red Light Therapy (28:00 - 30:00)Q&A and Conclusion (30:00 - 40:00 - Introducing: The Red Light Therapy Guide eBook Producing your own red light therapy treatment protocols has never been more accurate, individualized and effortless! In this 130+ page fifth edition of Dr. Mike Belkowski's highly coveted red light therapy eBook resource, you are provided access to the requisite resources that allow you to immediately begin developing your treatment protocols.  This ground-breaking paradigm is much more nuanced and accurate than the previous version of the eBook, as every protocol will be specific to: The red light therapy device you are using What you are trying to treat Learn more & purchase The Red Light Therapy Guide by clicking here - BioLight is in the middle of making a major upgrade to the three BioBlue products that include NMN: BioBlue, BioBlue (SR) and BioBlue Leuco.   This sale will last until current BioBlue inventory is sold out. Once this sale is over, the upgraded BioBlue will resume the normal prices.    If you would like to wholesale BioBlue in quantities greater than 40 for a larger discount, please email: info@biolight.shop   Discount codes:20% off (1 - 4 bottles) = bioblue2025% off (5 - 9 bottles) = bioblue2530% off (10 - 19 bottles) = bioblue3035% off (20 - 29 bottles) = bioblue3540% off (30+ bottles) = bioblue40   *You must use the "single" option for adding to cart and can add as many bottles as desired   Shop BioBlue & save BIG! - Dr. Mike's #1 recommendations: Water products: Water & Wellness Grounding products: Earthing.com EMF-mitigating products: Somavedic Blue light-blocking glasses: Ra Optics - Stay up-to-date on social media: Dr. Mike Belkowski: Instagram LinkedIn   BioLight: Website Instagram YouTube Facebook

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I was just talking about terminal stuff and SSH in another podcast just a little bit ago. And I guess what I was gonna say is, how much about the channel? Do you know? Do you know any terminal tips? I was gonna try one out today, talking about it, it might be kind of tough. I'm sure that's what you're interested in listening to on your Alexa right now. Wait, I mean echo. Sorry. I was gonna mention the commands if you go to your Mac, or you go to a Unix system, as it were you open up a terminal. A couple of things you can run, it's probably going to run bash, I figure like I'm some expert, but I think that's the Bourne again, shall I think it's kind of one of the more modern, sort of basic default shells that seems to run. If you run Linux, I don't know got up. Yeah. And you probably know a lot more about it than I do already. So you know, you're on your terminal tip for the moment, especially if you're on a Macintosh, I guess it doesn't work on a Windows machine, because that runs DOS, right? It's not a Unix-based system shoot. But if you're on a Mac, and you want to get into your terminal, and you want to move around just a little bit to sort of seeing what it's like, I guess two commands that would get you started would be the ls command in the Bourne shell. So the bash shell. the ls command is like the list command. So when you type in LS, and then return, what you're going to have to happen is it's going to list the contents of the directory that you're currently in, in text and command line. Oh, man, it's pretty exciting. You're gonna be excited when you see it for the first time. If you want to see some other things, I guess what you try, this is a bonus one, this is a big one, too, is CD, this current directory command. So if you want to, I guess move directories from what directory you're at now, your root directory, let's say and you want to move up to your pictures directory that you see when you type in LS, you're going to type in cd space, pictures, and then you're going to hit return and that's going to move you to the directory of pictures then when you type in LS, you're going to get a list of the contents of the directory in pictures. Wow, pretty amazing. You moved a directory in Unix and you found out on this flash briefing. 2:30 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there. I think like October, September, October and November I really like maybe one of my favorite outdoors seasons and this probably kind of set up that way for a lot of people that have like a tradition of going out on hunting trips through October or you know like going out on opening day or something like that in Oregon, I think it's October 1 maybe in other states it's in a part of September so I think it's kind of kind of been tuned and tied to the hunting season in like the American cultural lore for probably 100 years or eight years or so as it's kind of kind of been a part of the American mythologies but it's cool though I like going out in the fall it's really one of the best times to go camping it's when you get to kind of take or make use of all the equipment and stuff that you've sort of procured over time and and that's when you kind of also get to use some of the skills and stuff you've been trying to scout out or train on to kind of see how they work and the application of them you know in the summertime when it's really nice out it's cool to go out and camp and I've always had a really great time doing that but like the hot weather camping Oh, no, it's it's it demands a little less, I guess it's kind of obvious, but the environment is sort of something that you don't have to contend with as much. And in the deep winter, the environment is probably too much to contend with. So there's a cool kind of pocket that I like, as like an ideal, but a cool kind of weather pocket or environmental pocket between I guess like parts of the fall until November when it kind of gets too deep into it. And then parts of the spring as we're coming up into the summertime, where you can kind of feel like you're getting to do a little bit more fires. So kind of a no, right? over the winter, it's springtime to do that. But at least in late fall like in November or these like northern Oregon areas. After you start getting like a layer of snow or a significant amount of rain and the fire. The emergency level drops back down to the green. There's a lot of open burning that you can do on campsites that you sit at the public land and stuff. So I think that's always kind of a fun part of life. The winter like late fall camping stuff is when you get to set up like a bigger fire gather some wood gather some big logs to be kind of like your fuel for the evening it's kind of fun and it's sort of like that more I don't know primal kind of connective to to like the real kind of Route camping stuff but as it goes for a lot of the year like in the summertime like hot weather stuff you kind of like doing it around water or you know it's like we would we would do stuff you know you do rafting or something so it's kind of like enjoying the day you don't have to layer you don't have to wear like a dry suit or you know a bunch of different I don't know warming layers you have to kind of be conscious of so I think that's kind of where you start getting into more of that now I think like now like river trips and stuff you know they sort of shift from like the recreational summer tourism whitewater stuff they get between I guess like may and Labor Day and now as you get kind of further into September and now deep and October you have people I guess coming down just kind of strictly for some of the fishing season stuff so you get like instead of RAF's, you'll have a bunch of drift boats come down, like fishing boats and stuff, guided tours and stuff for some of the lower river stuff or just people out on there. That kind of set up and prepped for a fishing trip. But it's cool. Yeah, a lot of enthusiasm around some of the fishing stuff during this time of year. I want to get out and do some fishing stuff. I got my fishing license earlier this year, and I've gotten it a couple of times this far, but I need to really, I guess commit a little more and kind of set it up the right way. I think I'm always kind of doing a couple of too many things here like I'm trying to like set a camera up to record footage, and then throw some casts and let the line set and then you wait for an hour or so but maybe if it's a non-optimal time or you kind of have to something else and move on and stuff so I haven't caught a lot of stuff that was a keeper worthy. I picked up a couple of things out of the lake and it was like a 6:52 cheap little tiny game or a little like tiny Sunfish or Rafe, what is it? Yeah, I think it's Sunfish like these 6:57 like the kind of like bluegill. Not a lot, you know, sheep a little better than a minute. But yeah, I want to try and get into doing some more fall fishing stuff through now until like the end of the year. And I think there are a couple of good seasons that kind of come on through November but I think it'd be cool I'm gonna try and try and jump into that a little faster. I think there's also some kind of controlled like stocked ponds that are nearby where I'm at, I think they stocked them with trout through the winter and I'm interested in trying out a couple of those places they seem like they're you know, just to kind of the numbers that they talk about it's like I mean that's kind of cool for that kind of thing for stock fishing kind of thing but I've been trying to get a little bit more into like what I can harvest what I can prospect what I can kind of gather from natural resource areas that are around me and I think it's been kind of fun to do is I guess sort of a hobby. So along with like the photos that are trying to do while I'm out, I've tried to like us and like get a fishing license so I can do some fishing stuff on the side or pick up a little bit of information about what kind of rockhounding I can do in that sort of area or what kind of like foraging stuff I can do or what kind of like wood gathering opportunities to have so I've been trying to do some of that stuff a little bit more often like I don't know to email me if there's some other cool stuff I can do but yeah it's been cool I've been trying to like now in the fall go out to do some Sion trail picking. So if I can find some spots that are good for it it's a lot of stuff like the kind of near the coast or coastal range in Oregon probably I don't know what like Florence to a story probably a lot into Washington too that I just have no clue about but that I think the crow's foot foothills of the mountains they're kind of get the moisture and they have the right type of like temperature range for them to grow during this time of year. It's interesting though how those grow patterns go I don't understand I don't understand like mushrooms and how those mushroom rings work or how they like their populations work but yeah, it's really interesting how they grow, and just like certain patches like where they are there'll be more of those. But where they're not there won't be it's kind of it's just weird going around to find an end but we find one you'll find more around in that area. If it's been like a good climate for it for a while though, a lot of October still has been just a little we've gotten a little rain here and there and I'm glad there's like systems moving through but it's really kind of been dry enough still that some of the forest floors aren't quite moist enough yet to start bringing it on the fungus growth that we need to get like a good crop of edible mushrooms out of it so we can see how it goes and I guess there's gonna be a window of it sometimes like the years are better for it or worse for it and I will kind of see how it goes through the rest of the year. Sometimes like as soon as you snap into November, you get a week or two weeks or three weeks in November and those are really pretty Pretty good weeks, but as soon as you get a few days with sort of where you get like a strong frost or freeze overnight that messes with the growth of those mushrooms and if you get him consecutively for like three days out that'll knock out anything for one of them you know the mushrooms that grow so fast if you have a, you have a freeze A hard freeze on Monday because then it warms up Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, Thursday you'll be able to get like he wouldn't even notice you know, you'll be able to get a good crop of new newly grown mushrooms out of you know that same area, so it just kind of depends on like how it goes. But as soon as you start getting like a set of hard freezes, man, it just seems like I've gone out and seen like a bunch of them that had been thrown in and now they're just like mushy and you know, they just got a deep freeze. They frosted over and now it's like a dead plant and it's just kind of turned to mush. And that man those mushrooms turned to mush real fast. It's really weird. I was looking at a ring that's grown in our yard. It's just toadstools, you know, like, I'll pay like the, I don't know, just buy like an apple tree. It's cool that they come on, but they come on, and like I think kind of late September is when they start to pop up this ring out there. And then there are some other areas that I've noticed around town too. It seems like it's just like a certain time of year and boom, here's all this soon as the conditions getting that right. But yeah, right where those are, they come up and then they last about I don't know, maybe five days a week or so it's been a week and a half now and but they start to decay and they start to kind of fall over fall apart. And it's interesting to see how the grass responds to grass a lot around it. Looks like it's been fertilized heavily. But yeah, it just boom pops up bright, dark green grass, about three inches, or maybe three, I don't know, maybe twice as tall as the rest of the grass around it. So yeah, it seems like those little toadstool mushrooms for the lawn 11:46 pretty well. But yeah, I think there's like another growth of them coming on now, which is kind of interesting. Like they come on in a couple of phases, but some fresh ones are coming up in the ring area around it. And then those, those are kind of last for a couple of days and then wilt out over again too. But it's cool. checking out some mushrooms and stuff around here. But yeah, I've been trying to go out and sort of see what I can forage around for which has been kind of fun. I'm not sure what other stuff there is I hear there's what is it elderberry here about that being looked for and I remember now this is another one I remember seeing a person in a strange circumstance I was driving on a forest road out in the mountains here pretty deep in the mountains and didn't see any cars ran didn't or didn't pass a car they drive up you know, you see a car and you're like, oh, there's probably person around with that car. And then after we pass this like we didn't see a car either, but we were driving, and then there was a like a shorter man with a hat and he had two big racks of these like branches maybe about as long as like your elbow to your fingertip or so but these long like thin branches with these big broad green leaves on it. And it'd be maybe 24 inches or so. And they're all on these stacks. And then they would there'd be like a kind of a plywood thing or I don't know what it was maybe newspapers of the paper but then it was like more stacked on top of that and then another layer more stacked on top of that they just had this big bundle of sticks with these big broad green leaves on it. And he was standing there on the edge of the road that we were at and we drove by and then we drove down the rest of this road and the other we never saw it a car he was staying in but this guy was out here collecting these green sticks and leaves so I'm not sure what that is it looked like elderberry. I've never really identified it exactly and it's something that grows up here and I know people will try and forage for it but I'm not sure what for or how it works now that I know they do it I want to do it to sort of have a shot trial thing came on I think like a lot of people never really even heard of that. Or a lot of like the mushroom picking stuff like Morales morels got popular stuff but I think it's like the kind of because it kind of people sort of found out that you can go look for it and people are going looking for it or that it's really expensive you think like wow it's 15 bucks to look for it or 15 bucks to buy a pound of mastering the Shawn trout mushrooms in the store well if it's that expensive it must be good and if it's that good then I just want to go look for the sort of what it seems like a little bit but it's cool going out looking for mushrooms and stuff outside I hear people talking about like like picking Morales and I guess those grow I guess as Miss grow in a different environment, like a different terrain or, or whatever it is I hear about a more like tour like in the east or like the Midwest. So I'm not sure but I know like there are different relationships of like the tree to the type of soil and the type of like environment that it's in all kind of plays a part into like what mushroom is going to grow? Is it a micro raizel relationship I might have talked about last time but I don't really understand how that works but I don't see what allows there to be like a Morel versus good spot for a short trail to grow or a portabello or what is one of those regular white ones just as crimini just regular ones that we eat and stuff so I'm not really sure what kind of like allows you to farm some but not farm others and that's a big one he can't effectively farm morel mushrooms I guess you can you can harvest them in an area that is set up as an optimal environment that's about as good as they've had it like they found like where they're growing and the time of year that they grow well and they try to optimize for that so they can go through and harvest more of it out of it but they haven't been able to take I suppose like an area that didn't have the correct environment for it and then sort of artificially grow more than the landscape would kind of bear naturally I don't think they figured that out and I don't really understand that like how there's some that you can kind of figure out a little bit but like it's just like the complications between the relationships for some of them gets so complex that it's like difficult to recreate I guess there are biologists that work on that of like how to get or what is it? Uh, yeah so biology is a type of biologist that studies mushrooms right mycologist mycology think it's my ecology and I'm an ecologist for study and machines but I also think there's like agriculture 16:29 interests think there's like a food industry interest in trying to generate mushrooms of different varieties so that they're like a commercially available product. So I think they're trying to like work those things out. So sometimes it's mycologist at that level trying to study it and figure that out, but I think sometimes it's like holding different companies and groups and teams of people trying to sort of service sort of figure out ways to sort out those problems with growing and harvesting some mushrooms and stuff you know, I was hearing about this other thing too where if you get a bunch of mushrooms and you're not quite sure what they are, there's a lot there's I guess a few different ways or there's a couple of problems where it's difficult to identify certain types of mushrooms there are some mushrooms that have never the shot goes I don't know anything about it. So I guess I should leave it with that there's a lot of them that are poisonous I guess it's sort of like the cautionary point of it like people talk about mushroom picking a lot but there's a lot of mushrooms that are pretty dangerous or that are just gonna likely make you sick so if you don't have much expertise in it, it's kind of difficult to go out and do that easily you know, because you're just gonna gather some stuff that may look like it or may look almost exactly like it but there's sort of some nuance to detail that makes it a different mushrooms or different mushroom species that is you know, not good for you or at least not edible. There's a lot of there is a difference between like the neurotoxic mushrooms that will I think to kill you or get you sick and like sick like a neurotoxin way but then I think there's like a number of them that are just an edible in a way where they'll I guess one from a range make you very sick to eat. Or they'll make you just kind of like mildly unhappy with what you ate. But generally like I prefer not to eat a lot of that stuff. Or like if it seems like it's a bad or like an unknown I'd rather like not to eat just sort of an unknown mushroom a lot of them I guess you can eat or there's a number of them that are like, maybe not preferred but are edible, but sort of may make you get an upset stomach. I was kind of confused about that, like, Well, why would you eat it's like, oh, you can eat it. It'll make you sick. But yeah, you can eat. It's like, well, what isn't that what 18:45 why wouldn't you like that? I mean, it's a thing. I mean, it makes me sick, right? Like, I eat rotten milk, too, right? It just makes you sick, like, so I don't want it. 18:56 I don't know. But I've heard of that as an explanation for some stuff. I also hear weird explanations for eating natural things sometimes. So But yeah, I was hearing about this thing where you can put you can put a bunch of mushrooms that you've got down on like a screen and then put like paper on the backside of it. And then if you cover him and let him sit for a while about that after they're cut, they'll end up throwing their spores. And I guess with certain mushrooms you can visually like see the spore pattern that's dropped onto the sheet that you put on that screen. And I guess that's how they're able to identify some similar-shaped mushrooms like if this mushroom looks this way. And this other mushroom has a different species that look almost the same way a way that you can identify how they are different is by setting them on the screen and then getting throw of their spores. And then identifying the sport as you know one spore pattern will be like bluish or purplish or whatever, and the other spatter or the other spore pattern will be like a yellow color or something. So you're like, Oh, well like this one, like through this kind of spore. And this one didn't. So like now we can identify this is this specific mushroom. I thought that was weird though, like how, how to kind of figure that out. But fortunately, like that's what's cool about Shawn's trials is that they're one of the easiest ones to identify the golden shine trousers, one that like, almost looks like it. That's a good thing to like, pull up a YouTube video to identify visually how to distinctly tell those differences, the differences apart between them, and sort of the way that the gills are fluted up the vein of the stem, and then as it kind of comes up to the mushroom top, how does that transition happen with chanterelles, it's the gills are shallow, and they start real low on it, and then kind of sweep up the fluting of the stem up to the mushroom top and, and then with these imposter ones, I guess there's kind of like a hard angle joint there where you see the gill line start. And then the gills kind of come out from there with like a deeper, a deeper sort of cut to the, to the gill Ridge with sort of some finer material, but those aren't good. I think those are a little bit more white. There's why Shawn trails to show how that goes. The difference between like the white chanterelles and the golden shun trails, I thought it was like sun exposure. Like if they were kind of bleached out from being sort of hidden under moss or something, they always seem to be like a lighter, kind of mo Yeah, just like real light color. But then I thought the ones that were out in the sunshine had to sort of defending against that and like, got like more of a color to him. But I guess they're kind of a different set of mushroom types. Sort of I understand. But I've collected both of them in sort of the same areas. And if you find one it seems like you find both of them. So I'm not sure how that goes. But I've appreciated kind of collecting them. And it's cool to dry them. That's what I've been trying to do it's hard to eat through all those mushrooms fresh as they are when you're harvesting, harvesting those mushrooms all at one time. And so what I'm trying to do this year, as opposed to what I've done in past years, was just trying to make up a dish with all the mushrooms all that first time while they're fresh, it's fun to kind of go through the stuff you harvested and then like make a big pasta thing and like put a bunch of mushrooms in it. But this time, it's just the ones that you harvested after you clean them. That's cool. And it's fun to put stuff like that together. But what I'm hoping to do is kind of gather up enough stuff from going out a little bit more frequently into a few different areas. And then gathering up the stuff that I've got and drying it out. And then having like dried mushrooms that are bagged and stored, so that I can have them kind of through the rest of the year. I've also read about freezing mushrooms. Have you guys heard of that? I know like or leaving, like when you thought out like it's not the same material anymore at all. So it's like you have to kind of put it into a sauce or something like that. So I was thinking like the cell damage that you get after freezing, it would just be way too much to use again. So I think what I'm going for is to like do it to dehydrate the mushroom, so I can like cut them or even maybe leave them attack but like, have those missions dehydrated. Which is there's a lot of water if you like, especially like after it's been like really wet like they just soak up that water in the forest floor. And then it's all within that cell mass, the Shawn trail, but when you put like, take a cut of a Shawn trail that's like a kind of a thicker hardier one, you take a cut of it, you put it on a frying pan, it's hot, and you watch like the amount of water that it releases, but it's like wow, that is just almost all rainwater that had come down and filled the cell walls. And now it's being released as you start to cook up anything man, that's a lot. No way. So that's kind of cool. 23:43 It's cool. Going through October doing some of this stuff. I've also been trying to go out and do some rock-counting stuff. It's cool, I just gotta be jetting over I mean this is kind of the old and easy classic one but I budgeted over to the coast and kind of kept an eye on the high tide and low tide times of the day in the month but it's cool to get out there and check out what rocks are sort of washed up on the surface in the sand on the beaches in times of low tide so it's kind of cool going out there cruising the rock line and kind of just picking up some nice polished stones on the beach, which I've been kind of tried to do some Jade stuff it's kind of cool if I like the little green ones, find some sand dollars and stuff but if I like some cool rocks out there I've been kind of having a good time trying to pull up some of those stones a couple of times. We've got I get a couple of times it's 24:30 like court courts. I think it's like courts rock. And then a lot of the times I noticed some of they're kind of cool, normal. What is basalt, 24:39 normal rock stuff, or it's got a line in it or something that's kind of cool when you find one with like a textured feature of it you know words and there's some seam or something in there I was like that kind of stuff to where it's it's kind of a combination of stuff but going out to the beach and trying to find some rocks and stuff through October and trying to kind of get out and do some more active stuff. I get into some of the camping trip stuff that I've done. You're a little bit but yeah trying to go out to Eastern Oregon. And check out some stuff and sort of poke around you can check out more information at Billy Numan photo comm, you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested. Or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com Ford slash Billy Newman photo. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of fun to be checking out some stuff. What's the other stuff I had to talk about? I think it was trying to figure out some stuff on like my Mac laptop, I've been trying to set it up more so that has the full set of applications and features and utilities on it that I wanted, I talked a little bit about that. I went ahead and got the I stat menus application on there. So I can look at the sensors that are in my Mac Book. The one is that the network in and out speeds that are current and the history of the network up and down speeds, I guess over the last day or seven days or you know all that information is in there, the amount of disk space where all these different pieces of information, you kind of want to know about your computer and your system and how it's working. Have Daisy disk, which is what I've been using in the past a lot, it's cool are a pretty good graphical way of sort of showing the pie chart of what's taking up space on your hard drive. I mean, using Gemini as a deduplication application to go through and find like different versions of photos that I don't want to keep stored anymore, which has been interesting to go through are just these just straight duplicates where you know, the photograph pulled in, it's just the raw version twice. And there's no difference between them other than just one file name to something like that sort of silly. So it's taking a silly amount of space, this has been a good program to kind of find some of those programs and then eliminate them. And it's good also to show you like compare like these two are said to be the same to me to kind of automatically go through and take them out, I don't recommend that, it seems like it's best to sort of go through and select a number of them and start pulling out. 27:30 It was sort of with some thought and care to it, it seemed like that made a difference to me when I did it. So it might make a difference if you tried to go to another app that I jumped on to was the magnet app, which reproduces some of the functionality started seeing a Windows seven now in Windows 10, where the windows like if you have some window up in some program and you drag it over to the left side, it'll snap to the left side and then kind of fill that side of the screen or if you drag it straight up, it'll fill the full screen if you bring it over the right side of that right side of the screen. snapping stuff isn't really on the Mac, it's always sort of been set to do these sort of multi-window painting things, but I kind of like it snapping over to the side. And it helps me have some bigger monitors to where you can kind of grab over to a side with if you have a couple of programs. So I got this program called magnet, it's one of the top-selling paid apps. In the App Store. There are a few different competitors that people seem to be interested in, also, but I got this one, it was working great enough, it's a little different than the way that the windows one does it but it's fine. And it adds the functionality that I was looking for, which is great, a great benefit for me. The other one, other utility that I was picking up was pasted the paste app, which I think is kind of interesting. It's like a clipboard app. So every computer I think, since we started getting graphical user interfaces, I think since as I recall, Windows 3.1 had a clipboard in it, but that's when you do the copy-paste stuff if you copy or cut, copy or paste if you kind of copy something, it goes on to your clipboard and then when you paste it, it's pulled off the clipboard and paste it into where it's gonna go. But the computer convention for whatever reason is just set to that you can only copy or cut one item at a time. And if you cut again, a copy again, there's no history of it or there's no way to track back the level of things that you've had copied or cut if you want to paste those in so it can kind of add into some frustrations. But this clipboard utility pastes the paste app I think is set to sort of store snippets and pieces of information that you're going to try and pull up and use repeatedly over time through like your workflow. So I was trying to figure out a way to do that I'm doing a bunch of SEO stuff like I was seeing on that website. So going through and having like, like, you know, this is a block of links. This is a block of explanation. Texas has a great meta tag This is for this. So I have all that sort of laid out. That's a great workflow where I can just kind of pull up and sort of it's like, it's visually the UI is that like a command Another keyword of the poll at the bottom third of the screen and you have this history this row this like timeline of all the different times that you've copied something over to your clipboard, and you can go back to as far as a month or maybe even more than that, and it'll share it with iCloud too. So if you have different computers, you can have this app on there, and you can kind of share everything on your clipboard around. It's kind of interesting, and it's a cool little, little useful Mac utility if you are so inclined to do copy-paste, but I don't know, I know a lot of people seem to survive, which is what is it command community? I guess I have up until this point, but try it out. That'd be kind of fun. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I was just talking about terminal stuff and SSH in another podcast just a little bit ago. And I guess what I was gonna say is, how much about the channel? Do you know? Do you know any terminal tips? I was gonna try one out today, talking about it, it might be kind of tough. I'm sure that's what you're interested in listening to on your Alexa right now. Wait, I mean echo sorry. I was gonna mention the commands if you go to your Mac, or you go to a Unix system, as it were you open up a terminal. A couple of things you can run, it's probably going to run bash, I figure like I'm some expert, but I think that's the Bourne again, shall I think it's kind of one of the more modern, sort of basic default shells that seems to run. If you run Linux, I don't know got up. Yeah. And you probably know a lot more about it than I do already. So you know, you're on your terminal tip for the moment, especially if you're on a Macintosh, I guess it doesn't work on a Windows machine, because that runs DOS, right? It's not a Unix-based system shoot. But if you're on a Mac, and you want to get into your terminal, and you want to move around just a little bit to sort of seeing what it's like, I guess two commands that would get you started would be the ls command in the Bourne shell. So the bash shell. the ls command is like the list command. So when you type in LS, and then return, what you're going to have to happen is it's going to list the contents of the directory that you're currently in, in text and command line. Oh, man, it's pretty exciting. You're gonna be excited when you see it for the first time. If you want to see some other things, I guess what you try, this is a bonus one, this is a big one, too, is CD, this current directory command. So if you want to, I guess move directories from what directory you're at now, your root directory, let's say and you want to move up to your pictures directory that you see when you type in LS, you're going to type in cd space, pictures, and then you're going to hit return and that's going to move you to the directory of pictures. Then when you type in LS, you're going to get a list of the contents of the directory in pictures. Wow, pretty amazing. You moved a directory in Unix and you found out on this flash briefing. 2:30 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. I think Yeah like I said, I like the October period, you know, it's kind of a cool outdoor month for stuff and that's kind of what I'm going to talk about too is kind of layering up stuff for October I've been trying to kind of build up the layers of clothes and the layers of like shelter stuff that I have for some of the outdoor travel stuff that I go out and do and I do it on a budget and I don't have much stuff and like other people have a lot more experience of like just getting to try all these different pieces and see like the benefits or the kind of weigh out the pluses and minuses of different pieces. And so I'm sure it's probably the case that like the best gear is always the best gear. It's kind of interesting to sort of go through those checklists or you know, like kind of in your mind like seeing like what like how's this work or what's better for me for this thing or not. So I've been pretty happy to always have or for the last couple of years to have like a vortex range outlay and for a lot of outdoor stuff that I do in Oregon, later into the year that's been like a real lifesaver for having just like a hard waterproof shell that I can like the trust that as like a good hood on it that I can keep me dry for most of the day. That along with I guess kind of like working inward like the puffy jacket makes a huge difference. And so I use a puffy jacket all the time. There are a few differences like sizes though and you sort of have to like look at the down fill layer to see what's going to be best for you and like the climate that you're going out to that it's kind of weird it goes back and forth through me a little bit. So like out here in Oregon, where I am like west of the Cascades it's sort of a mild climate a lot of the year and so I'm able to I think you're kind of dealing with like above freezing temperatures. Most hours and on most days through the year I think like you know there's some sections of the year where you get some heavy freezes but outside of those storm times it's like pretty mild weather a lot of the time and if I'm going camping or doing something outdoors in the winter. Well, there are a couple of different types I definitely use it but really for a lot of like the three-season work I do. I use a light puffy jacket either because of North Face Thermal, or thermo ball, I think it's like a like polyester-based one. It's not a downfield, puffy jacket. But I've used that for maybe six years now. And I appreciate having that I think it's great. That's probably one of my most used insulating layers when I'm going out and I mean works great, really all four seasons with the kind of compared in these mild weather circumstances like I am here in Oregon like that paired with that shell, it has been enough for me to go out. And in almost every kind of weather circumstances I've been in when I've gone out and been working or like when I was working outside a lot in the rain and trying to be outside like most days through the fall and winter, it was really fine to do that with a strong or like a good GoreTex shell that keeps you dry all the way and puffy, thermo insulating layer that keeps you warm. So it's pretty cool, but kind of comparing that and I have like this Patagonia jacket that I think has a heavier down fill rating and that has a lot of insulation to it, which is cool, warm jackets are great. And I take that out kind of deeper into the winter. But what I noticed though, is that for a lot of circumstances, like I said three season work. And while you're working or kind of like physically kind of exerting yourself I've noticed like if it's not below freezing that is too warm of a jacket to wear. And so you kind of get to pick a little bit of like where your environmental thresholds are like what kind of environment you spend a lot of time in and is it going to be above freezing temperatures below freezing temperatures, or is it going to be hot weather temperatures like where you're working, you know, your coldest temperatures might be 50, but you're going up towards like the 80s and 90s pretty regularly. And that's kind of a different environment to work into. So I've been kind of trying to keep an eye on that. But as we're kind of dropping into October the outfitting stuff that I'm doing is sort of away from the heat gear stuff that I would have been using where I'm in like lighter synthetic shorts and 6:59 trying to use lighter layers and stuff like in the winter you kind of get to layer up and stuff we just got to kind of fun sweater weather right so what I picked up last year I'm kind of excited to put some more use into it was a wool baselayer so I got a great wool t-shirt and I kind of appreciate trying to cut out some of the cotton material that I'm using when I'm going out and doing some more outdoor stuff and I guess it's because back in the day cotton was a great revolution right you know it was a more breathable fabric and it would dry faster than other fabrics that they had available to them I guess is part of what was cool about it. But as I sort of understand now it's one of the riskier types of fabric that you can wear as a base layer when you're out in the woods for a couple of days or when you're out camping or you know the talking TV shows about when you're in a survival situation. And not only that but yeah when you're out camping or if you were going to go hunting or you're going to go on a couple of day photo trip in the woods and you're just going to be living out of your truck and stuff. It kind of is it ends up being a little difficult to use a lot of cotton pieces especially if you're going to get wet or if it's cold and you don't want to get wet but you do get wet and that's a bummer because the cotton stuff just kind of stays wet and it gets cold when it gets wet. And a couple of those things just sort of lead to it being a little bit frustrating and I guess that's where some of the survival complications have happened with people who are out in okay conditions they get hit with cold rain or wet snow and they're in like an outer let you know their insulating layers but they're like a cotton coating. Or like I guess tough, warm-insulated Carhartt jackets on hunting in that they got into some wet snow on the second morning. The Carhart wet pants got or the pants that were insulated. got wet from the tall grass and brush that they walked through and then the person became hypothermic because of their exposure to the cold that soaked through their pants that got them very cold I think they had to like ditch the band's get into their sleeping bag it was synthetic and then they tried to like to warm them up with a hot water bottle in a sleeping bag or something like that out of the Jetboil but like it ended the trip I think they like they can't continue that sort of stuff so it's kinda interesting I like that kind of thing can go and I know people have probably heard anecdotes like that similarly in the past I'd hear like someone else talking about like a warm weather thing where I think they were going out on like a 42-day canoe trip Can you imagine that like going through some big river system and Labrador up in Canada. Wow, fun times popping out in Hudson Bay or something. Who knows. But they would go up there and they would talk about like all like the specific limitations on the type of fabrics that they would select to use because like if they got wet in the river or I think it was like cold weather or Who knows what kind of weather you're going to get sort of circumstances where you go between hot and cold and Canada kayaking or canoeing down 1100 miles or something like that just big long trips like that and they would kind of be really specific about how like they won't even have cotton boxers or cotton underwear because it'll be the thing that ends up being a problem other people or another person, I think kind of there's a lot of great ways to sort of work through this next problem, but I think someone argued that they did have cotton on them so that they could use it as a fire starter. If they needed a fire starter I suggest just bringing a fire starter or some other material like that, I think it would probably get you by a little better than, your cotton underwear. The best fire starter that I've used and heard about was 10:55 Well, I mean, yeah, like a stove or whatever. But if you're trying to light a fire in the winter, having a plastic bag with Vaseline-dipped cotton swabs was like a pretty inert material. Just like having a backpack that doesn't smell like kerosene or something. And it has multiple uses, you can use it cosmetically for everything's our goodness if your lips chapp I hate it when it gets dry and cold and you go oh man, my pores can't handle it. They were in a different environment. 5000 feet a difference in elevation a day ago, too much change and too much seasonal change. Now you get like, I don't know just rough spots or dry spots or you use a Vaseline you get the cotton swabs for all sorts of different things, but they're fantastic. If you light that up. It's a great little flame ball and you can use that with a stack of your other dry materials to get a fire going. Even in pretty wet conditions especially if you're kind of keeping your Firestarter material protected in some little party backpack, keep it dry and stuff that works out pretty well. And I think it works better than your underwear on a rafting trip. So but yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah, people, people try to not use that people try to like drop their leather belts. Like they won't take a leather belt out into the woods either. I like having like a sturdy belt. Like what you see people like big leather boots or whatever it's not because it gets washed, or waterlogged, but I guess because it's maybe a weight thing. I think that's what the idea was for, for maybe they're like going backpacking use like a piece of nylon webbing as a belt at that time. or other stuff we're like, I don't know just little tricks and things of like how you kind of hide certain materials and other materials and stuff. But it's weird how it goes. So I guess yeah, cotton stuff is sort of a go. They talk about using wool a lot as sort of like a preferred material to make it out of or down here like down stuff is kind of a preferred material. And then I also kind of hear similarly sided, bad things about sort of the petroleum developed products that you get from polyesters or nylons, or I guess like this polyester insulating foams, you get like those thermo ball insulating foam that would be in the pouches of another polyester material that makes up like the puffy jacket that I wear. For the Patagonia one that's a downfield, puffy jacket. You have little goose feathers poking, poking out of it all the time, too. Yeah, I feel like you feel around the right way a little goose feather I'll punch out the side and pull it out a little feather right there a little down feather, which is kind of trippy. But those I guess are like a better insulating system. Then like the synthetic kind of oil-based stuff and I guess the same goes for like sleeping bags too. If you want to get into like a sleeping bag to keep you warm. There's something like the 15-degree bags that are well I don't know and it has a couple of other features too. I guess it's like light and it stretches down well and if you get it wet, you can get it dry again. Well, I guess it depends on like certain qualities down sometimes that kind of gets I think a little tricky. But the wall I guess you can get. You can get wet, you'll stay warm and you can get it dry faster. And I think that's sort of the benefit of the war on the animal that gets wet to you know like if you think of a sheep getting rained on all the time. I guess it's sort of part of the fibers that don't attract a lot of odor because it has to be on an animal all the time. And I guess it does well to not have to like make you cold when it gets wet. I guess that's a big part of it. So a lot of the merino wool fabrics that have come out, or the merino wool blends that are with some little bit of spandex or some other kind of natural fiber product that they try and put in helps to kind of be a little bit more durable when they have those little blends. But mostly you want a pretty strong merino wool fabric. And that's pretty cool if you're getting sort of like a base layer or something like that. It's A little bit more tuned for the outdoors it's like wool sweaters or something that you can find but that's not quite there cool old wool shirts you know like an old old Pendleton shirt or an old Filson shirt that's like a lagers kind of wool button that would go into like a canvas jacket. I kind of think is cool but that's sort of a different look and it used to be the technical gear layering and probably still you'd see if you get like I don't know like a horse guide like a guided trip with a horse or a mule or something like that's the pack in a bunch of stuff they probably still use gear that sort of similar to that without the kind of like the technical synthetic gear that you try and find it like Rei hiking places or something or, or wherever, whatever else similarly branded. But yeah, it's cool trying to do some wool Merino underlayers and trying to work with those puffy jackets when they can 15:56 try to work with well I have a soft shell that gets a lot less useful than it used to be. I used to try new soft shells all the time but I just kind of go with the wool, the wool base layer, The North Face kind of wore you know like a warmer temperature-rated puffy jacket and then have the gore-tex layer over that. picked up a hat this year. That's pretty cool like in that boots. I had a couple of different sets of boots for the October stuff before it gets really heavy in the season and before it gets like real wet or rainy. Now while I'm kind of doing some of this lighter outdoor stuff I have like a pair of heavy leather boots that are super cool for some of that deeper hiking stuff that you get into especially after it's wet and rainy and stuff but really for a lot of the light season stuff and sort of summer spring stuff. I have these Nike s FB boots, it's like military boots I picked them up in brown like a desert tan color. And then I also picked up a similar pair, the underarm remakes and so they're kind of like a lighter, more athletic shoe from the base but they have like kind of tall neck that goes up to like your mid-upper ankle there. And so it's not like a real table or like it's not like galoshes they're not waterproof they're kind of vent on the sides and they dry out they're kind of like a synthetic material that dries out pretty quick when you do get it wet but it also has like a good bit of tread and you can get them wet get them dry and wet. I think they kind of made for 17:29 an okay dry environment that's sort of where I use them most of the time is you know hiking around for any of this kind of lighter duty forest I was nice because they're light boots like with those other heavy leather ones like just the soles of the boots seem like they pound each you know you kind of like feel it the first couple days you getting back into the use of them during the season where you're like man my feet are like four pounds heavier it seems like each just kind of like walking with a weight on it. So it's nice to have one of the newer sorts of higher tech boots that don't have the same kind of ankle support as a thicker leather boot does or they don't have the same kind of heel support. I like to talk about like those you know thick, like like a two-inch heel or something that like one of those white boots has. Or if you get like Red Wings they have like a real deep, thick heel that you can use to kind of stomp in and cut in on some hiking stuff, and for these yeah it's just kind of like a good sort of smooth walking boot and you get some ankle support from that that tall neck but it's sort of fabric so that it seems like it you're just it's a light boot as seems like you're ready to you know run and you can do like an athletic maneuver and these pretty well and it doesn't seem like the boot is going to be too heavy to slow you down not right for every circumstance like if I'm going in a deeper area. It's cool it's nice to have like the kind of protection of a steel-toed leather boot. But like the normal s sfbs I think are not steel toe I think I think these Under Armour ones though are and then there are steel-toe versions that are out there. But that does seem to I've kind of run into a few circumstances where after some of the more woodsy stuff it seems like having the steel toe has helped a lot to keep my feet protected and stuff and if you hike in a lie you got to get to watch out for blisters and stuff too. One of the big things I've noticed to help that is like really breaking in your shoes with three weeks or more but three weeks of like pretty near full-time use to start getting them broken in or to get kind of the feel the break the crease, the kind of the fabric kind of working together in the way that it's going to fit around your body and stuff. But yeah, it seems like it takes about three weeks to sort of get those issues broken into a spot that that ends up being comfortable for longer trips and longer where I had like a pair of chocos and this Draco's, they were great you know that you don't wear socks if you don't like to buffer it with wool socks or something. But I remember I think working with those for like, three weeks or so at first your feet man. They will Rub raw. Yeah, yeah they'll you'll get some hot spots with the webbing on those chalk as it's like this really kind of tough webbing but after like three weeks or so like after you kind of wear your foot into it so that it's kind of strong enough to deal with it. And you also start breaking in the rubber of the boot or the rubber of that foot for the shoe. It's you it's your foot. But once you get that all kind of broken and I was able to hike for miles and miles in those and have no rub problems at all. I think I did. I think I did the whole hiking trip up to the summit of the paintbrush divide and the cascade Can you know, like the Teton's chip I talked about sometimes Yeah, I did that whole hiking trip with the Tetons in early, mid-late September. Probably right around now. But I did that trip in the Tetons with just those black shakos that I had that had like kind of that boot shed bottom and I did great through that whole trip I did like a 42-mile trip down the lower road that was like a hiking backpacking trip so you have a background backpack on the got these little river shoes on and you're hiking away on the trail and yeah, a lot of the times if you're not really in shape for it man, those will just rip your feet up pretty badly and I've seen it affect people's trips before you know like where their shoes just like really start to bite in on them. And it happens fast. As soon as you get like a hot spot or something it can be just a quarter mile or another mile and then like that problem has been exacerbated a lot so as soon as like gets bad boom man gets bad fat or it starts to degrade fast and then once it's gone it's gone on for a while you know it's bad. And it can cause some mobility problems when you're out there. So I think kind of to kind of deal with some of that stuff. We're kind of breaking them in earliest at school, which is what I've been trying to do with some of my shoes. But yeah, trying to get outfitted for this stuff in October. It's been kind of fun, trying to work out the layers 21:58 and stuff. You can check out more information at Billy Newman's photo comm 22:08 you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support if you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 22:45 But the holidays were kind of an interesting time because I ended up sort of thinking a lot about what But well, what photographs are, you know, I'm getting a little bit older now. And I think there's there's sort of like a change in the vision that I have of the way that I kind of think about photographs or you know, what, what is their purpose? Why are we making them and in a big way, like maybe propagated by the Instagram culture or the sharing content creation culture that sort of seems to be out right now, especially for those you know, photographers or artists, I think they feel the pressure to be content producers now, and that maybe is a little bit of a different job than the photographer or the real artists, that kind of person. And so I've been trying to sort of think about that a little bit. And then and sort of taking a look at the trends of Instagram and my art is what I need to pursue. And a lot of the time I sort of noticed this, and even in my images, this like super sharp, super crisp, everything has to be perfect or edited or meaningful and dramatic and these images. And what I'm noticing a little bit especially as I review my older images is the photographs that I'm drawn to. They're the photographs that represent the truth more, they're the photographs that kind of have 24:03 I don't know what it is really but they have a little bit more of an essence of reality. Or maybe it's its reality, but it's also a little bit of grit to it to like this happened it was magical. It was interesting, I liked that surrealism in the photographs that I take and I have for a long time but there's a little bit more and I've always I think a lot of stuff I've done kind of pushed for the Unreal. And some of the stuff that I'm kind of noticing the last couple of years as I looked at like the photographs and how they change this sort of how that shifted from the Unreal of landscapes of the world. You know kind of trying to select things about landscapes You know, when they have unusual colors to them, or unusual dynamics or phenomena like clouds or weather or water or something like that makes it sort of feel like a different look or a different image than like what we'd see midday at noon if we looked at the same thing. So I think that's still part of photography but one thing I was noticing through the holidays and reviewing a bunch of my old photographs was how much the stock value of, a photograph goes up over time, over one year, it's a bit over a few years, it's a bit more, but over a decade, you get, you get to see the change that happens in time, you know, I get to see, like much younger relatives. And these photographs took 15 years ago than they are now and it seems like kind of an obvious point or seems like something everyone should know. But really, there's a huge amount of value in the photographs because they capture something at the time that it was and you get to hold on to that after their people or the moment or the event or the experience changes. Certainly, notice as I'm getting older that life does sort of change, it changes, then it's an obvious kind of the point of fact that everybody's sort of known about for a long time. But in my naive sense, I've been so focused on photography or image creation or on the product making something that's kind of crisp and sharp and perfectly usable today. I don't know if I was thinking so clearly about how the nostalgia factor or how the value of something you know, from a family or just sort of a small moment that's captured this, this more real, how that escalates in value over time. And like coming at these photos, 15 years later, even like seven years later, from some of the stuff that I had, it's really interesting to see, like, wow, like I took a ton of photos of this type of topic. But I didn't, I didn't take as many photographs that sort of represented my artistic experience in my life. For that humanity, I want to try and show more of that in the photographs, the humanity that kind of the way you feel about a photograph. And I think that's so much about what a photographer is there to do is sort of being able to kind of pick and select which moments to capture and which ways you're going to be able to share that stuff in the future that's going to become more nostalgic, more meaningful, or just a way of kind of knowing Oh, this was part of my life. Wow, that's cool. So I've been trying to think about some of those ideas around photography for the new year a little bit but along with that I've been going through the last like 15 years of photos and in my big super catalog that that collection of Lightroom photos I made that's kind of trying to pull in every phone photo, every phone video every different camera I've had since 2002 I'm trying to get all those photos together, put them in there I think it was like 120,000 images something like that which isn't that many photos for someone that's been doing stuff for a long time. But I went through those and I tried to like punch those down to a lot of the Select so out of the images that I kind of want to keep from and I was trying to pull out a lot of good photos but but photos that were kind of irrelevant to me for this sort of future moving forward catalogue of stuff I want to get rid of like product photos or word photos that are hundreds and 1000s of photos even that kind of fill up space and memory in the catalog I'll keep those definitely but those will be backed up on another hard drive but what's active to me what's in my library currently I want to be like the last I think I've talked about this for like the last two years or so photos and whole in total so I can get back to that library and edit any one of those raw files that have but for stuff that's older than two years like 2015 and before I kind of want to pair those down a little bit so that I'm a little bit more specific and unable to get to those photos that were selects a little bit faster and then especially for older stuff like pre pre 2010 or so I want to around really have those pared down to like the the 100 photos I actually you know I need to have around two to get to for for whatever kind of stuff I need to do. But it was cool that going through the old photos and you just kind of do it in this pretty quick way you know this is a star This is a two-star kind of thing. So you kind of punch through those pretty fast and then and then I have another round to do or I'm going to try and punch it you know from one star to two stars those are going to be what I keep for a while and then from that I'm going to try to render that down to select all the three-star photos all the that's kind of like I would take this photo and sort of put it under review and then and then my system at least is a little bit of the four-star five stars zone that's for this is going to be published or this is going into the portfolio or as content sort of thing. So yeah, I'm gonna try and push on that stuff a bit more and get some photographs sorted for the year but is cool going through all of these old trips that we've done all those different places that we've gone to and of course I've seen well one thing I've noticed is good lord how bad at Photoshop I was. And I want to say that I'm going to put a little blame because I remember this happened at the time but I want to put a little blame on how god awful my laptop monitor was like a 2006 2007 2008 laptop monitor just had no color gamut against what we know now in like modern o l or LED Retina Display monitors like Apple puts out or like any kind of modern LED, more color accurate monitor that we have now but I was looking at it and there's like it's just so muddy. There are few colors that it can represent. So you have to push things a little further out of the gamut, or at least I did at the time, kind of not understanding what I was compensating to. So I look back at some of these photos and go, Oh, I would never make it this yellow and green in a modern world. So it's kind of interesting what you know, whatever was going on, or whatever I was thinking about at the time visually, that sort of drew me to that place. But it's interesting to see like how that changes, how your aesthetic sort of changes, and also a little bit of how your tools and calibration systems changed and sort of seeing like, wow, off was that way back, then. So all stuff that you kind of learn and you get better at and it's interesting, at least to the benefit, you get better over time. And like a decade later, I see changes in the kind of creative or the style that I would lay out just if I started working, you know, out without actually having to try and implement a style, you know, try and lay with Oh, I'm going to make a photograph that's black and white, and of events and personal or something, instead of trying to go out with, you know, a set intention of that which you should or could in any set of photos. But if I just go out and am shooting what I am drawn to the photographs that are capturing get in the way that I kind of perceive what they look like, and how I want to show them to people, that's all kind of changed and evolved. And it seems like my choices in that are better than they once were. But it was interesting to just kind of seeing like, man, how many years and years and years, it takes me taking photographs before any of these photographs really got good or got to the point where they were more than snapshots or more than just kind of data collection sort of thought of myself as an archivist for a long time where we're like the job wasn't really to be a photographer where it was editing to select like a moment and character and sort of like nuance between things that have like an emotional pole to them, I didn't really understand that type of composition stuff, I just sort of understood the camera mechanically functioning is a light capturing tool. And so that was like that was probably the first four years of photography was sort of thinking about it like that, like I'm capturing data of reality. And then that's going to be processed into something else later. And it wasn't really for years until I understood like emotional vision or you know, like having some way to kind of tie the way you feel to the way that you see something and that was interesting kind of learning about how some of those things work and it's still such a long road and I still have you know, no, no real understanding no real experience in that by anybody that's trained just self-taught. Little Billy out here and nowhere Willamette Valley So yeah, that's some of the stuff about making selects. 32:40 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage and some good links to other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy noon in a photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the backend.

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I wanted to talk to you about the performance of the new MacBook Pros. Is there an issue with it? I don't know, I've heard a couple of stories about it where these higher I'm sure probably the entry-level system is quite adequate and a very positive type of computing experience that you're going to get from I'm sure you're going to be happy in a lot of experiences. But there's talking about the I nine system specifically because of its heat output. I think that you know, that's the new division of there's the I five processors, the ice seven processors. Now for laptops for the first time, in Mac, at least, you have the option to get a nine processor. Now I guess this has a significantly higher heat threshold than the processes before. And the laptops don't have a better system of removing that heat from the system than the previous laptops are then the other iterations of the laptop in the same line that produce much less thermal energy. So this is kind of, I guess, been performance hinders, in some cases, because there's something called thermal gating. It's a system where when the computer gets too hot, somewhere around boiling temperature, can you imagine that's happening just in your little laptop, heat venting out of your keyboard? Goodness gracious, that's what you have to do to get a 4k video coming out of a laptop. So with all this going on with that, that process, you're trying to not reach a boiling point, it does something called thermal gating where I guess it turns your fancy new four gigahertz I nine processor into quite a bit slower, one gigahertz processor kind of churning through some things because of its heat output, and because of how much heat is generating. So it's kind of an interesting thing. I guess there was a YouTuber that did a video render from an Adobe Premiere file, they did it, you know, on the desk, where it was pretty, it was spinning up, the fans producing a lot of heat and stuff, they put it in the freezer, which is maybe a good idea, maybe not I made me do it and put it in the freezer. And I guess the render time was 20% faster because it was not running up to the thermal gating fast, I guess because it was a better heat dissipation system, though. It's not an optimal system to run a computer freezer. Because of that system. And you know, it's a laptop of a very thin laptop, trying to run very high-performance utilities. So I'm kind of curious about, you know, really what the design perspective is on that. It'll be interesting to see where things go from here. And I'm sure things will probably be fine, but I don't know I don't I just still don't like USBC that's how old I am. Give me a headphone jack. 3:00 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. Oh, yeah, there's been so many discoveries since last year, gravitational waves have been verified and had been projected before but now they've been verified, I guess I suppose. They say the math is strong. I'll let the scientific community that that's all but yeah, they say that they found what was it like a 26. And ours, I think was 26 and 34. solar mass black holes orbiting each other came closer and closer kind of spiraling in on their same-like point. And then they finally merged when the two giant black holes a solar mass, like we talked about before, is the size of our Sun. So one sun around Earth is one solar mass. So these black holes were each 30 solar masses, so 30 times more massive than the mass of the sun. And these two black holes smiled at each other. And it's at this rate, I think, predicted in Einstein's theory of special relativity, where it kind of matches a pattern of how gravitational bodies will orbit around each other and then collide with each other. And so when these two bodies collided with each other, there was an X, I think there was if you think of E equals MC squared as energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared, then what that would mean is that when mass is accelerated to a certain point turns in energy. That's what happened in this event, these 230 solar mass, black holes collided with each other. It released three solar masses That are three times the whole mass of our Sun, from mass into energy out into space. And I think this is one of like the largest or the most energetic events that we've been able to record. in cosmology. It's really big. Yeah, well, yeah, or not, not in priority, but in the amount of energy that's exchanged at a single point that's verifiable. And so that's, I think, what the type of thing that this, this type of observing observatory was looking for, was something to collect these gravitational waves. So it's a cool story, they've kind of figured that out. I think that was back in September, that they made the observations, and then now, and was it early February, mid-February, that's when they kind of announced it probably won't make a lot of changes for any daily use, but it will change a lot of the astronomical. Well, I'd say like, part of the study of astronomy going forward in the next 50 or 75 to 100 years, you know, it's because now we can make gravitational telescopes, we can make these tools that can observe gravity waves out in space. And this is just the first time that we've done it, this was an observation of one of the strong signals are strong events that we'd be able to gravitationally pick up. And so now from here, over the next several generations of this, this technology, they're going to be able to refine it so much more that they're going to be able to pick out much more subtle gravitational waves. And once they're able to do this, or once you're able to, let's say, now that it's proven this type of technology out into space, and then make that experience vast, we're going to be able to refine details of these gravitational waves to a much smaller resolution. And that's going to give scientists and cosmologists and these new gravitational wave astronomers, more tools to look into the universe, and especially the look into the early stages of the universe forming, we're just going to be exciting. I think this event that they observed was one and a half billion light years away, they say, it's not triangulated. So they don't know exactly where in space, this event took place. But they say that it would be out somewhere past the Magellanic Cloud if we were to kind of think about it in the sphere of the sky that's in the southern hemisphere. 7:18 Pretty cool stuff. Pretty cool. So say, okay, the coolest thing. So it's kind of up to us to sort of wrap our head around what it means what are they observing, what is the gravitational wave, but this ripple from this event that happened one and a half billion years ago, sent a wave in Gravity through space-time across the universe? And it adjusted the width of the Milky Way galaxy by the width of your thumb? Oh, yeah, that's so in the room. There's, in any kind of human perceptible distance, there's no change. There's like an Adam's with a change. For us experiencing it here on Earth. That's why we didn't see any kind of crazy, you know, thing happened, there's no kind of observable event, you with something that's probably one of the strongest events observable. For us, you know, out in outer space, these collisions of black holes. But, yeah, that wave, I think stretched and then shrunk the Galaxy by the width of a thumb. So that's like, 100 lightyears across. I think it's 100,000 light-years across the Milky Way galaxy. And that kind of wiggled by an inch. Yeah, see a gravitational wave, 8:30 are you saying that it? A got a space in it. That was the width of a thumb. And then it got closer together. 8:39 You know, it's really strange, it warped space-time. So there was no, there's no physical space that changed. But that was complicated. Yeah, that the, that the fabric between the atoms had flexed outward, and perceivable. To us, as beings that don't have the capability of perceiving something like that of the change in space-time, we're not able to do what we perceive because it says we're in it, we perceive time to be pretty constant. But if we were outside of that, we could see that the fabric of it the size of it stretched out an inch, and then came back together. So if we think of the expanding universe, it's the expansion of space-time that's traveling outward. So the physical distance between the two proton-proton in an atom is, is expanding outward. And the size of those atoms is expanding outward. And it's just it's like space-time is expanding. It's just sort of all expanding together. But in this situation, just this wave came through, as we think of a wave on a beach that rolled through. And like when we were in the waves in the ocean a few weeks ago, we you'd kind of be in the wave, it would move through but then it would go back to The status of the water before the wave, right? So the wave similarly came through, it didn't displace anything or move anything permanently. But it is just wave time. And it's going through, yes, stretch it by some amount, and then had it come back together. But that's the amount of distortion that was sent across. From that gravitational wave. And gravitational waves. The reason that it's important to us is that it was the thing that was one of the last things to be identified, or how would that be one of the last items in Einstein's theory of special relativity that was yet to be? Um, well yet to be proven. So this item of gravitational waves has just been theoretical, up until this point, because it has not been, there'd been no technology developed to make that observable phenomenon, these gravitational waves. And so it's this huge feat of engineering that we're even at a place where we can do that now. Yeah, 10:58 that's pretty incredible, is it? So now that they've officially, I guess, said that that's happened, they're going to be working on telescopes now, or newer telescopes, I can detect that. Yeah, 11:12 there's, so there are two locations right now. And these were all part of a scientific grant to look for a theoretical piece of science that no one believed even existed. Even Einstein, I think kind of sort of tried to retract this idea during his life, that there is that there was even the possibility of observing these gravitational waves, they were able to make this system to do that. There's, it's a gravitational wave Observatory, really interesting stuff, I won't get into exactly how they do it. But it's a Laser Interferometer. And it uses a period amount of time to bounce a laser beam back and forth. And if a gravitational wave goes through there and stretches spacetime out, then the wave of light takes longer than the speed of light to go all the way down to the end and then back. And so they're measuring that amount of time, that period accurately. And then when this happened, the way it came through, it stretched spacetime over that distance. And then the wave didn't come back at the right time. That means that there was a measurable gravitational wave that passed through that space-time, that stretched that tube of the observatory. And that's what they recorded, they did this in two locations, all part of the same. I don't know, observational? Well, there are two observatories, they both get recordings, and then they match that data together. So that they can do noise cancellation, to drop out any of the disturbances that be localized to the earth. So if there's an earthquake in one, you could kind of measure that against whatever the other one would pick up. And you can cancel that signal out. Okay. Yeah, it's cool stuff. So now that it's been proven, now, this experimental thing that cost billions of dollars to get set up for the first time has been proven, it's going to be this huge expansion into the scientific community, where they're going to be building a lot more of these tools to do gravitational wave observations. That's cool. It's gonna be really exciting. Yeah, I'm really glad that it came through, we're gonna see a huge expanse in the field of cosmology in our lifetime. And now that this is something that's out there that people well that, that astronomers will be able to research on, it's going to be interesting to find out, I guess, what kind of discoveries kind of come from this? Yeah. Time to best, but it'd be cool. 13:31 Yeah, that'll be neat to see what new things are figuring 13:35 out? Yeah. Be a lot of fun. 13:38 And so what are the names of the observatories that proved this? 13:42 Yeah. So like, I think I mentioned that two observatories were picking this up, and they were doing noise cancellation against each other, to try and refine the signal, which is part of how the technology works that you're using. And so, the installation is called Lego. It's the Laser Interferometer gravitational wave observatory. It's an acronym. And there are two installation sites right now. They're both in America, I think they're going to expand soon out from that, because there's going to be an advantage if there were at least if there are more than two, because right now with two, they're not able to triangulate the position of a signal that they get. And so once they're able to triangulate things, that question that we had a few minutes ago when we were talking about where this event, this, this black hole collision took place in the universe, we'd be able to better pinpoint that answer if we have three of them because we'll be able to triangulate that signal. So with the two of them, we're only able to tell right now that they're out in the Magellanic Cloud. So the two observatories exist. One of them is in Washington State, and one of them is in Arkansas. Right now, school, I think the best place for them to be would be off the earth entirely. So same is like the hub telescope, when we started doing optical observations of space above us, we use the telescope here on Earth. But, ultimately, the best highest resolution way that we can make observations of the universe was by putting that telescope outside the gravity world view of the earth and putting it out into space, where there wouldn't be any disturbance from light pollution or atmosphere or vibration. And they could put this telescope up, make it perfectly still and have it take these long exposures, or long periods of light collecting to get these images or to get this resolution of data so that they can look out so deeply into space, really cool how they're able to do that, with optical telescopes. I think, in our lifetime over the next 3040 years, if this seems like a promising field of science, we're going to see that expand out into Laser Interferometer gravitational wave observatories that are put out into space as like long satellites, or satellites that communicate to each other and send a pulse back and forth, or send a laser back and forth to each other, and then try and pick up that same period is the technology and algorithms for this get a lot better be cool. It'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah, it would be really neat. So I think right now since they have proven that there are gravitational waves, there is now funding made available for the third Lego installment to I think, be put into somewhere in the US probably take another 10 years for that installation to go online. I'd bet we might see others like this come up from other educational institutions around the world. Like we might see something from CERN or we might see something from, you know, just from some other installation that would want to build something like this. Now that it's a provable scientifically researchable field of cosmology be cool. It's going to be one of the most exciting things that happens in the next century of scientific discovery. I think this is probably one of the groundbreaking things that will be part of learning about gravity learning about that part of early universal history. be interesting. 17:06 Yeah, interesting. 17:08 Yeah. You can check out more information that Billy Newman's photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 17:54 So I wanted to talk about the training stuff that I've been doing, I think I'd mentioned I had done a good bit of work with, you know, other programs in the past. But this is the first time that I've gotten into spending time learning specifically about some of the features and the controls in Logic Pro, and now Logic Pro 10 by five. So what I've done is gone too now what's called LinkedIn learning. LinkedIn learning com, there used to be a website called lynda.com. And lynda.com was these screencast video tutorials of how to use different types of software and how to be trained and you know, just training for different types of most of the time computer related skills. So I've used that service for several things over the years specifically, I think, Chris, or wigs. Lightroom tutorial is probably like a standard for a lot of photographers that have been interested in and learning about photography and editing. And so all of those courses that have existed over the years, have a lot of good information in them. But so I went back, to what would be lynda.com now as it has been purchased by LinkedIn, through Microsoft, it's now called LinkedIn learning. Right on Hmm. So LinkedIn learning has all of the old Lynda videos including all the updates to the videos that they're continuing to produce. So I went on and I tried to find some training videos about Logic Pro 10 there are several videos like Essential Training for Logic Pro 10, but there's nothing because now this new update Logic Pro 10.5 is only maybe two weeks old, or something. It's there's no there's just no new video training established for it. So I think for Logic Pro 10.4 there's a full Essential Training Video that was produced by Scott Hirsch, a music producer out of New York, and he just kind of goes through the controls in the system and stuff and you get a good feel of like how to how to make changes, how to use different features, how to use the mixer versus like the linear tracking system, you know how to use different controls and stuff, a lot of the stuff is similar if you've used GarageBand like I was mentioned, or another digital audio workstation that does multitrack in the past, but it was cool, yeah, learning licks and techniques about how to apply different compress, or how to make the settings of a compressor do more specifically, the types of things that I'm wanting to do in a mix, I think was some good information for me to be learning about through the Logic Pro training stuff. Also, in addition to that, if you don't want that, so LinkedIn learning is a paid service, you can get a one-month free trial at that too, which I'm taking advantage of at this moment to get some new information. But what you can do is go to YouTube and look up similar, similar training videos. And there are a lot of people a lot of music producers out there that have done their screencasts of kind of walking through different services or different techniques that these digital audio workstations provide. So looking at a guy, guy's website, I think it was why Logic Pro rules calm and that had a lot of good training videos on it too. He had a lot of information about how different pieces of it work and just how to make use of a lot of the techniques that you'd have to apply in a certain piece of the software to make it more effective. And I thought that was cool. I appreciated some of the stuff that he'd done and thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy noon in a photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the backend

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Yeah, this summer, I've been trying to do a lot to work to get together some new photos, some new stuff to try and kind of build a base, and then move from there a little bit. But I'm excited to try and put up a bunch of the older portfolio photographs that I have. And I was really happy to work on the website a lot this summer, I kind of redesigned a bit of that, you check that out, totally think of it, it's a billion human photo.com. And I tried to strip out a lot of the unnecessary parts, and I'm trying to kind of hone it down a little bit. So it's a little cleaner, but it's gone. Well, I've tried to set it up a little bit more. So it's stream-based if that makes sense. You know, we've kind of moved toward like the Facebook stream, the Twitter stream, the Instagram stream. So I'm trying to kind of move it to were like I talked about on the podcast before where a lot of the media stuff that I put together, the video clips, the photographs, and stuff that wherever they do end up going whatever sites I am populating, like flicker and Instagram and Facebook and all the rest of it, that's kind of what's shown on the website or you know, have the websites kind of try and automatically pull that stuff and ingest that into the website. So I don't have to do it as much. And that's kind of been fun. It's kind of been cool doing that. But the thing that I need to do, the part that is still left is I need to go through my photo portfolio, kind of the long-term portfolio of images I have, and I'm trying to go through and select what would be good to show the work that I've done so far. And I'm trying to do that in a way that's more developed than I had before I've gone through and I've selected, I've kind of picked the photos that I liked a lot. But I've tried to do a couple of different things. And hey, another truck. Man, that looks like a few times of gravel in the back. So what I want to do them, with the photo stuff, and what I've kind of been trying to work on a little bit is to go through Instagram, or to go through Facebook and to try and select my favorite photographs, but then also just select the ones that have been sort of chosen by the market. That's another idea that I'm trying to go for what do people actually like about the pictures that I take? What are the ones that people seem to connect with the most. So on one level, I'm trying to find all those photos. And then I'm trying to sort of remake those photos or re edit them or you know, kind of re republish them in a way that looks sort of new. And that's cleaned up a little bit in the way that I can I can edit and create stuff now. So part of the step is that and then the other part is sort of learn what people like are the photos I make. And then I want to go out and try and make more of that. Or try and dig in a little deeper on on the part that seems to get the most traction or that seems to be seen as the most valuable. So what are those, like what I've noticed? 3:03 Well, yeah, what I've noticed anecdotally so far is that the low light stuff, or the Astro photography, the night photography, the landscapes, where there's stars matched in the background seem to really perform really well. And I really love trying to take those photos and I know a lot about how to lay out the stars that I would want in that foot or you know, I know where the stars are, I know how to kind of line some of the landscapes I thought that I know how to expose for it. So that's a part that I'd really like to get into and push for more what seems to be a draw the photos that I take. But on the other side of that too, I really want to do more, more fine art photography, that's what I really liked, and was kind of drawn into when I first started taking photos, even way back on film, before I knew how at all but I really liked the fine art side of it, where you could go through and try and put the nicest elements together or, you know, try and put a landscape together. But I like that side of it a lot more than the product or production side of it. In, in a sense at least. And I've always been really interested in the fine art photographers that are out there, or the fine art landscape photographers where you see some of the advanced kind of work that they put together some of the ways that they're able to put real pieces real elements into a photograph, it's always seemed so cool, when you're really able to be in tune with that sort of stuff. And I've just always loved the old landscapes and, you know, old Fine Art images from the past. So that's got to the stuff that I'm trying to get into. But organizing this stuff has been interesting. So I'm trying to use this program called Scrivener. And maybe I talked about it before or maybe a while back. I talked about it. But Scrivener is kind of interesting. It's this, and I talked about it yesterday. No, but it's this writing application that I'm trying to get into and it seems like it would take a few tutorials to really figure out it's a little bit more in depth. Hey, gravel truck. It's a little bit it's quite a bit more in depth than something like Word. Even though Microsoft Word is sort of an industry standard that every One has sort of learned on for the last 1520 years, it really is a little bit more specific to like an essay for at least the way I've learned it. But it's more specific to the an essay format of word processing, where you're trying to get a page accomplished, and you're trying to edit through that or you're trying to edit through kind of a single document. And Scrivener is sort of laid out in a way where there's a few more pieces on the side of it, where it's really supposed to be a research applicant, or you're supposed to kind of compile 5:28 different documents of text research or photo research and kind of put that together. And then you're able to sort of assemble a larger writing projects from there, which I think is kind of interesting. Like I figure like book authors would use a writing program like this to work on their character outlines, and their story outlines their plot summaries, and then they would work that into the manuscript that they would make into their book later. So I just think it's kind of an interesting way that they seem to be going, or that the program is built to sort of go about it. So I'm trying to get into that and do it well, but one of the aspects I'm trying to do is to put in all the portfolio photographs that I have, into this Word document, and then sort of sort those photographs, and write about those photographs a little bit to see which photographs really seem to connect with me, or connect and connect with an audience the most and, but also, what photographs sort of have a story associated with them, I love that. Like, if you would follow me for this for a second, you would kind of see that there's a difference between the photographs that are going to be the most monetizable the ones that you can make money from like, let's say portraits, let's say business portraits for some company, you could get, you could get some money for that. But you wouldn't really want to post that in your portfolio of work necessarily, you'd want to like, at least in my case, what I'd like to do is show some photos from the in the high River Canyon, like where we were last week on our photo trip. So you kind of want to move into that stuff. But you don't, it's not gonna be the same sort of thing. Like there's landscape, fine art photos, or just, you know, the landscape, travel, adventure, tourism sort of stuff, that's all gonna be on one side of it. And then the other is going to be, you know, senior portraits, business portraits, event photography, wedding photography, that sort of stuff. So there's sort of two sides of, of a portfolio one of them's a photo product that's valuable for money. And the other one's a, an art piece that's valuable because of its aesthetic. And those are sort of different things that you've kind of, as a photographer, you're trying to build both of those up at the same time, it's sort of like two different routes that you have to work on at the same time until they sort of merged together and unify. So just got him an interesting part of it. And that seems to be part of the process that I'm in right now is trying to figure that stuff out. So some weeks it's, I'm working really hard on the aesthetic side of the photography and then some weeks and working really hard on the monetizable compensation based side of the products that I want to try and build as a photographer that's in business, right. And there are those are interesting challenges. But I guess I've been doing it for a couple years and it's kind of fun at least to to get to still be doing it. So a couple things that I'm trying to do is I'm trying to go through a build a new Lightroom catalog of all the photos that have taken this year and all the photos from the last couple years second, organize those and do a little bit of what I'm talking about. So I have this kind of tighter collection to maybe the top 100 Top 200 Top 50 some number in there of of well laid out photo essays and stories with an image you know that's kind of what I'm trying to get to especially for like the the social media content side of it, I want to try and have that ready to go with a higher frequency almost all the time. So I'm trying to get everything kind of pre produced right, if that makes sense when all the portfolio photos pre selected and then ready for me to go if I want to if I want to post those I get those out on any given day. So it's interesting, it's kind of a cool project. I worked on it a little bit. I'll work on it a little bit here and there when I can but that's another part that's kind of tough. I mean Gosh, I haven't even finished my website yet. Which I guess the last part is still just this I need to it's kind of what it's been waiting for is I need to finish the selection of the portfolio and then I can build the portfolio gallery and put that up on the website. But so far, it's been working great just to send the y'all over to Instagram. I think that's where most of the stuff goes. That's where all the current content goes anywhere to it's fine. And up on here. You can see more of my work at Dooley Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping. You cool stuff over there. 10:03 really trying to do a lot of scouting stuff, which I've enjoyed to doing some scouting stuff through the summertime, it's been pretty cool, where I'm really trying to go through some of these backroads I'm trying to like Mark spots in the map where there's good campsites, which I hadn't really done before, you know, it was a lot of places, I've driven a lot, a lot of roads I've been on, especially, you know, like back country roads, to Forest Service roads, BLM roads, and I know a lot of good dispersed camping areas. And really, I understand the context of how to find those areas so much better now that I'm older than when I was young. I mean, when I was young, and I go camping with my dad, you know, we'd go out to Eastern Oregon we'd find some spots and they'd known about those spots since you know, he was a kid and he was going over there and hunting camps and stuff with his grandpa. So it's cool for me to get to go over to those same spots and get to check out that area and stuff. But I think there's been or at least when I was a kid, I didn't really understand that the land, like the public land rights that you have, and really how those are organized, like how public lands are organized and what you can do on them and sort of how it operates. I didn't really understand the difference between national forest land and BLM land or national Parkland and state Parkland or wilderness areas, National Wildlife Refuge areas, man there's just so many different distinctions of different things and then also just private property so I didn't really have a clear recollection of any of those things. And really a lot of time when it's public land, you can go on it but there's some things you can't do on it like I there may be hunt in some circumstances, like, like a national park, or I think you can't discharge a firearm inside a national park but for specifically permitted events maybe probably national wildlife refuges, I think those hunting opportunities are are limited also though you can still do some things in those areas, I think you have to get permitted and you have to draw a tag for that location I think is what it is. But But yeah, it's kind of interesting sort of learn about that learn how these things go and also finally getting some maps that you can use that you can kind of trust better while you're in the back country I think that's something that's really helped me kind of understand where I can go and what I can do and i don't know i mean, we've had those map books you know, like that, that 50 page or 100 page book of Oregon and you know, every every page is 25 mile map of that area is always super useful, how they kind of grid out everything and show you that you know, the mile by mile marking and the topography of the area, the different little roads and stuff but even those roads, those mapmakers still got things wrong. I remember to go back in like, was it 2004 I think we were out in an area in Southern Oregon near the Nevada border was a Druze reservoir somewhere South a Gearhart mountain and I remember we were on some some little some little road I don't even know if it was if it was a national forest area I think it was just in the in between private and public lands as a kind of jumps back and forth and those pretty remote areas all of it is just remote desert and forest and sagebrush and Juniper but some of it goes into like ranch land, it's more managed and some of it cuts back into BLM land as this as this little roads sort of meander through it but I remember being out there and noticing that the map on the page was just totally different than the map or than the other real world ground truth of where the road went and I saw oh wow yeah, you can't really trust the maps to show you the information that you want to see when you need it other times to you know, you'll see like Oh hey, like it shows there's a road right here. Good deal we'll take that road Well, you know, it shows it's on the map so you cut down there you get on the road and then it's washed out like crazy or it's super bumpy and like and just terrible, right? And but it's the same green roads the same label, the same marking is the road next to it that was graded and, and 13:53 aren't was that paved, right? It's graded gravel, they put more gravel down, I think is what I'm trying to say they've, they've made it an easier going road to to drive on. But then you get those washboard sections out there. I don't know if you guys have been on that where you're driving around in the Forest Service roads and those gravel roads. And I think it's a natural process of erosion that occurs that creates these waves in the material. You know, as I think as a rainwater comes down, it sort of naturally over time generates these, these little ripples. And that's the washboard effect that you get when you're driving. That's also the thing that kind of kicks your car sideways when you're, you're going a little too fast on a gravel road. So I started doing today I think I kicked it pretty hard side before you know like it's pretty loose on the traction and it was starting to tip sideways in my truck. And so I slowed down and threw it into four wheel drive after that, and was able to cruise around out here pretty freely. But yeah, I wanted to talk on this podcast about hanging out in the Fremont National Forest and I just got finished with a huge thunderstorm. came through it just really finished raining a little bit ago we were kind of I think when I arrived here today at this Meadows still a few hours before sunset So I walked around and kind of went along the perimeter of the meadow and then and then I noticed that you know, I mean it's cloudy it's been kind of cloudy today and there's been Thunder heads that have been building up over the location that I've been ever since I kind of came over the past the Cascades had been in like a pretty solid string of, of thunder heads that have sort of coalesced into big mass over the Cascades some of the here over the Fremont National Forest whatever mountains these are that I'm in and and yeah it seems like this section in Eastern Oregon was getting hit with a good Thunder a good summer August thunderstorm today which was kind of fun to sit through and go through it was cool if I got rained on pretty hard earlier when I was driving over. I thought I'd get out here and be a little bit more free of it. But it seemed like that storm kind of drifted over this way and that was sort of drifting north from here. And and yeah, it is a new system, but man, there's just a bunch of lightning that was coming through and huge cracks of thunder. Just big, deep Rambo's. I haven't heard Thunder like that and in years and yours probably you know we're just kind of stays and like hangs and rolls for 10 seconds 15 seconds it seems like you know you just really can't like whoa is Can it really still be just cracking and rumbling and rolling. And, and there was enough activity and if lightning activity that was going on where you'd hear thunder I mean, it was almost like 45 minutes there were there was just a crack and a roll of thunder almost continuously, like it was a it was pretty intense. It's it's, it's really I think one of the more strong lightning storms I've been in in a while. But that's sort of how it goes out here. When you're at these higher elevations. I think I'm floating around up in the 50 or 100 feet or so above sea level. And so it just means I'm up in the mountains where these these thunderstorms get started, you know, they get there, they get there. I think that's where they they'll kind of coalesce over these big mountain tops and then float over in the hot weather. I don't really understand the weather enough to say I know how a thunderstorm starts it doesn't start now. I've just gotten cold enough I'm trying to throw jacket on. Now you got to live through it. I'm really camping. It's been good. But I'm gonna be out here for two nights I think is what I'm going to do and then tomorrow I'll cruise out and I'll try and hit some of these Forest Service roads for a bit. drive around do some exploring mark a couple spots on the map as a as I'm cruising around. I think that'll be that'd be a good time But yeah, I haven't been out here before. I think I've heard of a couple friends that have been out in this area that have done some. I think they did a couple scouting trips for a hunting trip that they were going on in the fall I think this is an area where we're one of my friends goes I think they try and draw a tag for not this area. I think it's a drainage over from here but I think I've heard about this area a couple times from from people talking about it. So yeah, it's cool it's cool spot it was out taking pictures earlier taking some photographs I've been working mostly probably for almost a year and a half now. I've been working a lot with this 17 to 40 millimeter wide angle Canon lens and it's a pretty inexpensive lens and you can get it for like 400 bucks maybe a little less if you're lucky and you get it on a sale time sometimes in the fall as we're kind of ramping down toward 18:33 toward Thanksgiving I think you can get some good deals on it but it's it's sort of in the the the $400 range I think sometimes maybe it's more around five or something but I picked it up a couple years ago when I was starting to do some real estate photography or was working for Airbnb for a while where they had hired me as a photographer to go into these Airbnb plus listings and get a new set of photographs I was interested in kind of learning about how specific they wanted all those this photographs and this this really specific art style and and you know format of it and that was fine. It was interesting to do for a while but but what was cool is that I picked up that lens to get in and do that work. But really after that I've been appreciating how much I can do with that wide angle lens and then you know 40 millimeters isn't way different than 50 millimeters it's certainly different for the effects of portraits and stuff but when I'm out here doing landscape stuff and I'm trying to take pictures of a lot of this stuff is kind of sketch photos to where I'm sort of going around and midday I'm taking some photos of some different things I want some cat photos in my truck and my my little cooler set up in the back here. 19:42 And so all that's been good in addition to that the the Astro photography stuff that I can do with it is pretty cool because it drops down to the 17 millimeters. It's an autofocus lens, it's a sealed lens, it's it's pretty it's it's pretty good in most ways and I've really noticed over time that I'm not as good As absolut have a mandate for me to be shooting at a really wide open f stop you know if I'm shooting at a wide open aperture almost all my photos early on were 1.8 or or 2.0 or two eight or something and I would do that really because I was trying to I was really trying to get because I didn't have very many lenses I was really trying to get as much effect out of that boat Kay out of that soft background as I could so I was really trying to lean into that and get some photos with it and I noticed with my camera and equipment at the time that it just it just looked better. They just did look better when it was at you know f1 eight I think I just said that nifty 50 Nikon 50 millimeter for the longest time that's what I did I did my early trips on and did a lot of my portfolio building stuff on that but but I've got a different 50 millimeter lens with me now I've got it on my film camera in my bag right now which I need to take out too and I'm trying to finish a roll of avatar film it's been on there for a while and I've enjoyed shooting it it's cool it's a it's a new Canon camera to me at least I got it used on kth and spent 35 bucks on it 10 bucks to ship it and it takes a weird battery to it's one of those 90s film cameras it has this weird it almost looks like a battery pack this it's like two so it was almost like two double A's if they were a little fatter but are bonded together in this little plastic pack and then you pop that in there and shoot for a little while I guess and it runs a meter okay so I'm getting by with it but I've noticed the film camera stuff it's it's fun to have an awesome film camera it'd be cool to have a Leica and all the lenses I wanted but a lot of time with that you know the good lenses I have this this new or like canon l glass that I get to shoot through and for film photos and for the variety of images or the variety of lenses i have i can i can do telephoto I can do prime I can do really wide angle all with the modern digital Canon lenses that have you know chips in them to read well that meter well that make contact with or that send information back and forth or at least from the lens to the camera I think xao works that works in the autofocus stuff for the digital camera this is this is autofocus Yeah, it's an autofocus digital camera. It's sending information back it's working Yeah, that makes sense yeah, so it's it's cool like and that's something I didn't really have available to me for a long time you know, I think when I've probably on this podcast if you go way back in the archives I'm talking a lot about film with a Nikon f4 you know i mean that just had autofocus that was the first camera like 88 to get autofocus period. So it's cool to have that in a more flexible way now but what I remember talking about in the past that was that I had like limited options with glass all the time, I didn't really always have the lenses that I would have preferred and so I've kind of made a collection of that now with this canon stuff I got a Canon camera and so I can throw all those lenses on and have that same flexibility that I have with my digital set. But just with this, this film body that I get to shoot a roll through so I kind of save the film stuff for when it's a thing that I want but what I've noticed though for a little while is that I miss a lot of those moments and I ended up just having the the norm you know the regular digital camera with me with a bunch of my other gear. When I've been going out I've been trying to kind of just take the camera with me and then I'll leave the bigger bag back at the truck so that I'm not really carrying as much stuff with me I've also started carrying like when I'm out here in the woods and stuff I'm carrying that binocular harness with me which is kind of cool you can get them in different sizes but it's sort of like if you imagine like a backpack but what they do is they strap on to the front so it's right on your chest. And what you can do is fill is put like a pair of binoculars in there so you can pull them out and then scatter around with your binoculars, do some glasses and then pop them back into your into your harness and then kind of carry on with whatever you want to do but if you leave that empty without the without the binoculars if you have a smaller Camera Rig probably like a mirrorless or a Sony camera you know like one of those Sony A 6000s man if you were a backpacker, and you had a Sony A 6000 and this this front carry 24:16 like binocular pack, you'd be really sad that would be like all the camera bag that you'd need in fact really if I'm thinking about ever doing some like over you know some longer backpacking travel where I just have to pack everything in a way it's gonna be something I'm more conscious of than I think that's really like the way to go is I've kind of been thinking about it a little bit it's like get get a lighter camera. Or I mean it'd be great like carry like a 360 camera you know if you're going up somewhat laser those are almost nothing as it is anyway but but if you're carrying like an SLR or something that you want to try and do some some more controlled photography was and he had something like a an A 6000 from Sony or an a seven, seven or three or whatever it is something that size with a lens attached to it. You know, that could fit in one of these binocular hearts is harnesses and carry kind of round in your front and then you see something you would take it, pop that open right on your chest, pull it right up to your eyes, got straps on it in the harness, pull it right up to your eyes ready to shoot, and you can take photos, or take photos, you know, as quick as you want to. So it's kind of a cool process. If you're out hiking a lot for what I'm doing, I have my binocular harness, but it's got binoculars in it. And I've been kind of going around and trying to do some bird watching stuff while I'm out here and saw cool Hawk that was posted up who's looking at me, that's about all I've seen so far. So coyote the other day, that was cool. I'll talk about that later that but because I had those binoculars in there, and I've been kind of going out on these, these shorter hikes and stuff that I've been trying to go around and like, just kind of watch them stuff or watch land and kind of keep an eye out. But I just had the camera on my longer strap on my side with that 17 to 40 millimeter lens. And that's worked really good. It's been a pretty flexible kit for me to go around and take a bunch of photographs with so it's pretty easy, pretty lightweight to work with. And I can kind of move back and forth between those things strapped around my neck, you know, it's not everything just hanging around my neck with a lanyard. It's all kind of put somewhere or packed in somewhere. So it's been kind of cool. But it was good going out and taking some photos tonight, I was trying to get some of the i didn't i didn't get anything lightning in the camera though the lightning storm kind of passed as soon as it was getting really dark enough to to do like a long exposure kind of thing where I could I could sort of catch something, something spark and otherwise, you know, you got it, you got to beat the lightning bolt with your shattered finger. And that's a pretty tricky task to do. I think that's how they do it, you know, when you get those, you get those like magazine photos back in the day of a powerful lightning bolt striking. I don't know the center of a road or something like that's what they'd show, you know, some kind of power lightning bolt, but the way that they would do that stuff is I think, I think it was like he was dark out, you know, or pretty dark out. And so they'd set the camera up for just a cycle of long exposures. And then they would just kind of let it ride, you know, so they'd have a couple seconds to expose the image to whatever you know would work. And then they just kind of have that rolling so that when when a bolt of lightning did strike, and it would be captured, and you could go through that collection of captured or, you know, how is it that when a lightning bolt would strike the ground, the camera would have already been exposing for a photograph. Because it's just cycling the shutter on a four second exposure, let's say something like that. And so you know, it takes a four second exposure stops, processes for a second takes a four second exposure stops processes for a second. So I think that's how they did some of that stuff where they, they kind of anticipate. Alright, it's been a couple minutes, let's take a frame now. And then it's just going to be an event in the future. So we don't know if it's going to happen or not. We're going to wait for this event in the future when we boom, see a lightning bolt and then that light then exposes the sensor or the film and the camera and then you're left with an image that has that lightning bolt represented in the frame when you're shooting on a tripod or something like that with with like a short cycle, long exposure. And I thought that was pretty cool, but I didn't really get a chance to get all that stuff set up before the storm kind of passed me by I did get a lot of cool handouts, stuff that was that's great of the thunderheads and stuff and really unfortunately just in the location that I'm at a lot of that and I guess maybe for the better but that lightning storm didn't pass right over my head, it was still a little ways away. So I could see the lightning bolts cracking through the trees kind of out in the distance more. A few they stretched across the sky pretty good too. It's just a big old, you know, from from east to west. It was like, you know, big old chunk of boulders crack all the way across the sky was cool. 28:58 So I got photos of the thunderheads, the sunset, the the big field out here. It's cool. It's a nice area. But I was also thinking about some of the other stuff that I want to be doing tomorrow. So I'm out in the Fremont National Forest. I'm going to be heading I think, maybe south from here, and I'm going to try and explore a couple areas that are still open. Or I guess it's all open publicly. This is like a pretty large contiguous section of national forest land here and really, like that's a big part of Oregon overall, right? It's like 53% public lands. It's cool. Yeah, if you look at a map, you'll see the cities and you'll see like the highways and stuff but if you have the right map, it'll show you where the BLM land is and where the different national forests are. And it's cool, this whole area the Northwest is just there's a lot of public land that you get to use and there's a lot of open area that you get to go to and and yeah, now that I've got a good map of the outdoor off road roads, and some of the terrain and stuff with some good notes and I'm able to kind of move around and get out to a lot more places than I had before. So it's been cool the app that I'm using is the Onyx off road app it's I think 2999 a year and so pitch that out picked up this app and then you can download offline these these really detailed off road maps they're supposed to show you all the trails you know even just walking trails, all the roads all of the like the pieces of information you'd need for kind of moving around in the backcountry and really as surprising as it is as remote as a lot of these places are people go yeah you know it's it's also public land is managed by the the forest department forest Forest Service Yeah, I think a lot of this does managed by the Forest Service the BLM stuff managed by the BLM and that's why these roads are as good as they are or maintained and that's why I like when trees are down on these mountain roads you know someone has to go through at the beginning of the year and cut all those out rip them out filling the potholes all that sort of stuff so all these areas are are known about and you know kind of managed in a pretty significant way in fact I think more so to come in the future I think they just announced yesterday or the day before that they've passed the great American outdoors act which I really don't know the first thing about or or what it does or doesn't do or what it puts in or leaves out but I think part of my understanding is that it's supposed to change some of the funding mechanisms that go into supporting the the maintenance of these public lands that are out here across the country but really significantly out here in the western states so it's it's pretty cool I think before that it was like well we should spend you know X amount of money but there's a more important place for that money to go so it wasn't like a guaranteed amount sort of what I understand so if I understand it correctly, there's like 31:56 I think they've said $3 billion a year 32:02 of mandated funding for projects I think here in the back country BLM land Forest Service land and like national wildlife refuges and stuff so pretty cool, but yeah, I think that's gonna well maybe we'll see a change in that I think it's supposed to better fund the operations of BLM and forest service people as they're going through and trying to get these areas ready for for the public to be using more regularly so it's cool, I think it it'll mean a lot over the next few years or what maybe we'll see how it, how it kind of transforms some of the way that these these areas are managed, I think maybe it's more for me and I probably shouldn't even speculate, I'm not sure at all, but it's pretty cool. I'm excited about being out here and doing some camping and stuff dealing with this thunderstorm. I think it's one of those things where by the morning you know it's going to be or at least I was looking at the weather it should be mostly cloudy or partly cloudy, mostly sunny tomorrow for a while so I think that's pretty cool. I'm excited to be hanging out do some cabin stuff, do some podcasting I'm in the back of my truck right now like I was saying it was rain in early after this thunderstorm so I got that canopy on my truck and I'm nice and dry nice and warm. kind of feels like I'm just inside somewhere so it's it's a cool cool rig having a four wheel drive, having the canopy on the back having your staff and your sleeping area just kind of set up back there and I'm ready to go. So I've been having a good time being out here and it's been pretty good. Pretty good trip so far. I so appreciate you guys checking out this podcast from me. I'm gonna do a couple more podcasts while I'm out here on this camping trip and I'll I'll try and try and set up a little backlog of them on my website. I think it'll be a good idea. Now I kind of take the breaks and stuff from it. I'm sure no one no one keeps listening when it when it is there. But hey, if you listen to this end of the podcast, shoot me an email time for the plugs. It's Billy Newman photo.com if you want to check out my website, see some of my photographs, check out more podcasts that I've done, or books that I've tried to put together which is maybe what I'm gonna try and do out here to try and get some photographs for another good book. 34:24 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo 35:03 So I've been checking out the ipfs network. I've been talking about it a few times before here on the podcast. But it stands for interplanetary file system. That's kind of a cool way of sort of creating a distributed hash table. or in our case, it's something where it's like a distributed network instead of having like a server system. So I've been trying to set that up. It's pretty complicated, but you can go to Siberia's and download a program called Orion. And that's like a browser that you can use to upload and then download or you know, send files back and forth over the ipfs network, which is pretty cool. It's kind of interesting. So I downloaded it on a couple of computers here at home and I was trying to use this this key to connect the two of the notes together so you could kind of create like a direct connection in the network. And I was trying to do this with a couple other computers I had around the house to to do some stuff but but yeah, the ipfs stuff is pretty interesting. I'm trying to put up some some media stuff onto that over the last couple days. I've been using this site called the sounds got audio and I'm trying to upload a bunch of mp3 files of my podcasts. And it's just kind of interesting to check it out. But yeah, it's it looks like a lot like SoundCloud or something when you use it, but instead of any of those files existing on a website's server, they exist distributed across the world United States I don't know how far it's really distributed yet. But those files are distributed on different computers so it can be reproduced from from different areas of the network. It's interesting I don't know I'm kind of curious how it works out I'm also using this video program or video a website called d dot tube, I think is what it is is supposed to really just be like a YouTube clone and it works pretty well it's it's not I think got a full resolution and flow that YouTube is but really as it goes, it's it's quite far along for what you would think to deal with it. I've also been checking out bid shoot, which is another sort of YouTube video competitor but they do a lot more with ads and with paid content. And I think that the D tube stuff is it seems like a little more homegrown in some ways when you look at the website but but as I consider it, I think it's you know, it's ad free, it's crypto decentralized, it's really it's interesting like when you log in, you don't really even use your email address or anything like that it's just it's this cryptographic key that you log in with and that's like your account data and if no one has it so if you lose it that's gone I think forever You know, so it's kind of cool check it out you can go to the you page you can go to upload media like you would on YouTube or so that it's a little slower though it seems like that's that's definitely something that I was noticing. I'm trying to make an upload right now. And it's going fine but I think it's a little bit slower than maybe some of the other the other like YouTube or something like that if you're apple in attending up video it'd be more robust as a service This is definitely like something some some piece of the internet that's being made by people like you and me so it's it's kind of cool that it works at all really But yeah, I think these these D tube sites and D sound sites are going to be kind of interesting media players and that players like but just interesting kind of media side features that that I think are kind of interesting as people are starting to maybe consider moving away from centralized services like Facebook and Microsoft and Apple and Amazon and all that so yeah, it's gonna think Google you know, YouTube and Google and all that but but it's cool, try to check out the ipfs stuff and get it connected I was trying to upload some videos that I have on my YouTube page right now and trying to download a bunch of YouTube videos also, I go to the YouTube videos that I have there's there's a couple of different features out there there's like maybe one that you've heard before we put s s before the YouTube domain name and that'll send you over to a website called I think it's like save form or something like that. And then you can you can download sort of a lower resolution version of that. That file which saved me a couple of things I helped me out a couple times it was an audio video of it you can download it, I think it was ad free. That it as a website that kind of you know pushes you to buy stuff a lot but to think of the way the service works, as opposed to trying to check out this thing called the YouTube dash d L which was like a youtube downloader. So I was trying to go through and download some of the videos that I had on YouTube but that I don't really have like the same same clips from on my computer. So it's cool. I don't have to go through and check it out. too, but and was it D sounds distributed sounds distributed audio, it's kind of cool. Check it out. So I'm uploading a video in the background right now my laptop. It's like a screen capture video working in Lightroom. And going through the editing of a photo. So I'm throwing that up there on the two, which is like, 40:21 probably going to take forever to upload, it's kind of a larger, I think it's like more than 10 minutes or something like that's one gigabyte. So it's like a bigger file for that network to take. So I think it takes like a little bit more time. But it's cool, I'm trying it out. And I guess we'll kind of see how it goes. It's also cool, too, I guess you can just you can publish websites to the ipfs hash tables. Also, like if you write like a static HTML site or an HTML CSS site, I guess you can package that and then upload that. And you will have a web link to go to that HTML site, and it will pull up like it was pulled up on the server, which is pretty interesting. I haven't really learned quite enough about it yet. I'm trying to figure it out a little bit more, I want to try and get like some kind of distributed distributed blog website up or you know something where you doing in kind of update it a couple times, I think there's another one called steep shot dot i O. That was this, this photo sharing website that I was checking out, which is kind of cool. It's still all these are still in alpha. I was having a hard time actually like getting stuff to upload when I was using it. So it was kind of interesting, but I think it's you know, it's stuff that it kind of comes and goes as you're sort of an early adopter some of the services. But I'm going to try and try and use steep shot.io to get to continue to do it. So step two, that's another distributed photo sharing site, which is kind of cool uses the, I think I think when you post a photo and post it to the blockchain ledger is still sort of something that's out of my depth, it seems to me, but I think it's kind of cool that you're able to do stuff like that. And yeah, but put stuff up on the web and download it from the web without ever really going through a centralized service. So it's kind of fun stuff. But thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you next time

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 I'm showing another photograph of mine today, this one from Mount Washington up in the Cascades. It's a really beautiful spot. And I appreciated this, this day to photograph it because of those high altitude clouds that you see in the photograph with a lot of that dark rich color, and it seems like a lot of I don't know if it's moisture thickness, or density, or just the parts of it were thinner, and there's passing cloud or something like that. But I loved the light that day, it was sort of a vanilla color. At least in the higher part. You see those dark blues down toward the horizon where it seemed like there was a lot more of a heavy storm that was moving in. But it's a cool spot up. I think it's on-off highway 126. You take that to the end and then you come into that road that's going to take you down into sisters right before the hoodoo snowpark but you can go up there and there's a number of spots you can get a good view of Mount Washington really beautiful kind of picturesque peak and especially when it's covered in snow like this, it looks almost like the like mount Paramount, you know the one in the movie, the movie and trail. But it was a really cool spot. It's an interesting mountain and it's a cool spot up there there's really happy to have this photograph and a few of the others in the sequence come out the way that they did that it's cool, I appreciate the kind of tonal color of it and just the sharpness the way that that mountain really kind of has a presence in the frame you really get that with that compression of the big lens 1:47 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping and cool stuff over there. We did like a bunch of traveling and we recorded a bunch of stuff which was pretty cool it was kind of a special project so that's what we're gonna be talking about today. But Marina what kind of special work were we doing? 2:20 It was super cool we were doing some 360 video and photo recording 2:27 and it was really cool yeah it was really interesting doing that I did like a little bit of a podcast talking about the idea 360 video and some of the GoPro fusion stuff but yeah, it was really interesting having the GoPro fusion for for a week we rented it and we went around and we shot like a bunch of footage all over Oregon and a whole lot of different spots have a similar like the natural areas that we've been where we've had like the the just it's probably like the more high profile locations for landscapes and a lot of the areas in Oregon so it was really cool getting to run around and maybe be some of the first people to shoot some high end or higher quality 360 footage in those areas. 3:07 Yeah, I think so definitely. I think there's some of the spots we got to the I don't think I really see many regular photos from 3:13 yeah not many people really go there in the first place. Yeah, and really some of those locations were incredibly beautiful like I was thinking about I think about like sisters rock that we did at the end that evening was just so cool but just the the way that the 360 video virtualizes is really interesting to look at it it's kind of a neat kind of optical effect when you get to look out and you get to kind of turn your head and see just sort of this the field of view that you would see if you were experiencing the place if you're traveling there but it's really fun to get to see especially in certain locations you know where you really get to turn your head and see different aspects to the environment that are going on. Yeah there's something going on 3:52 yeah, it was it's really cool what a great job we the GoPro camera does yeah just with the quality of it looks so real and so beautiful 4:02 yeah I was really interested in that and how it was gonna do but but yeah the GoPro fusion is I think the the newest offering from the GoPro camera company and and you know they have they have the regular you know, two dimensional system still too but but the three 3d six system is really interesting. It's not through sight, it's not 3d, but it's a 360 degree spherical image it's well I was talking about an actual rectilinear image that stitch together from two cameras that record 180 degrees of your field of vision, and then that's brought into the computer and stitched with the special software, the fusion Studio software, and it's really interesting how it works but I think this is really pretty new. If I understood right from from like the the invoice and what I understand about GoPros these cameras really have just come out I think it was it was marked as the the like the innovative product of the year at CES this year. So that back in January Pre announced. And I want you know when some some more now it's interesting, but but I think it has really just come out for release in April now. And then so we're probably some of the first people to even rent it from this company that has it available. So it was cool. Yeah, last couple of weeks of May. And yeah, trying some of the new technology out. But the GoPro fusion is probably the most adept 360 camera that's available for consumer use right now. I think there was the other camera, the ryla, which is a 360 degree camera that also has some of the video gimbal stuff that the GoPro has. But really, I think the GoPro is higher end. And there's, it seems like, every time I've not used the GoPro system, I've had a little bit more trouble, but I was really impressed with that works, that's really the only 360 system I've used. There's also the theta camera built by Rico, that is 4k video. And that's a little bit less expensive. I think that's been out for a couple years. But um, but I don't think that's the gimbal system, you missed the stepping kind of image stabilization. 6:01 Man, that made a huge difference for videos, we were able to watch them, I guess you can preview them on your phone with an app. Yeah, just from directly from the camera. And it looks awesome, but you can see the motion for the stepping and stuff a little bit. And it's cool when you process it through your computer. And and see the the effects of everything, 6:28 the full stabilization is really impressive. And it really makes it possible to have like a walking or moving video and 360. And I think I think otherwise given given like the change in access that would happen. You know, like as the camera moves through the 3d field and Z axis changes, or you kind of spin the camera a little bit, then it kind of throws the rest of the axis off is how it would be without stabilization. But with stabilization, you really virtualized in that location, and you kind of independent from the movement of the camera, which is what's really amazing about the way that it's able to do some of the recording which really gives you a much more immersive feel when you're watching the video because you can move the camera independent of any kind of jerky motion that the camera recording had in it, which really makes possible for for videos that are moving I think otherwise. It would almost be nauseating to have video that was moving unless it was on some other kind of gimbal system. Yeah, that's why probably you've really seen only only like kind of standstill videos up into this point that are related to 360 video. And what's really cool about the GoPro 360 is that it really provides you so much opportunity to do moving videos that look really good in this 360 immersive environment in 5.2k. So like when we're compressing down to 4k, it's cool, but oh my goodness, does it take forever on this laptop? 7:51 Yeah, does rendering take so long? 7:54 Yeah, so we had to go in overnight. So it's not a bad I have a MacBook Pro it's like it's a couple years old now but there's really not I mean, there's a few improvements in the MacBook Pro line but not that many in that would have had other problems if I had upgraded anyway, but this one isn't like the top of the line by any means it's capable, but the graphics card I guess in a laptop really crushes through fine in HD video and anything else that I've thrown at it to do editing your final cut, it's amazingly fast compared to the video editing system I would have had like in high school or college or something like that. So I'm impressed with what I can do but I upgraded the final upgraded Final Cut 10.4 which is the version that can handle some of the 360 footage. I also installed the GoPro fusion studio app and really it's the process of stitching the video together that takes the longest time so they're enormous files to start with I think just over the weekend we recorded like 200 gigabytes of files that we put into the onto the drive. Yeah, it was a huge amount of matter. Yeah. And then so those have that's just before anything's done with it. So I guess it's you know, it's a higher quality video but that then has to be stitched together into an even larger file and then that has to be brought into your editor and then compressed or edited or rendered together so all that takes a ton of time and so but rendering the stitching is what seems to take the longest amount of time and if I guess we had to go on all night, I think we got in minutes let's say maybe six minutes of video for about eight hours of rendering something like that but it's a lot of rendering time just for this little computer and you can see it going I have this this program this like I stat monitor program that shows you like what some of your system components are running out but it's just kind of paying my my graphics system on this laptop and so I hear that you really have to have a ton of horse better power to get through a lot of the 360 video maybe that some of this stuff you would win here too but I have to you have to really that's really where having like a higher capability computers is where you see an advantage of doing this level of rendering. 9:59 Yeah, my laptop can't even handle what we're trying to do you need 10:03 minimum eight gigabytes of RAM. And then it helps to have an SSD so you can pull the video through faster, something like that. And then you have to have a dedicated graphics card. I believe in the system and it any gotcha even with the a pretty modern system. It is extremely slow versus, you know, a lot of other kind of editing rendering system that exists right now. But I think it's like, one frame a second. So if you think of like, videos, 30 frames a second. I think it's rendering one frame out a second one, I guess 360 degree spherical frame, or, you know, Echo rectilinear that were that we were learning a little bit about. So after it stitches it together and makes that echo rectilinear image of the to 180s sort of mapped onto our rectangle. Really interesting as doing it. It's fascinating to go through all this stuff. It's really fun to working with the GoPro camera stuff. But so yeah, this weekend, we did like a bunch of travel stuff to try and produce some videos and photos and kind of make like a portfolio for some of our 360 stuff. So we traveled, where was the first place we went, we went to like, say Haley falls. 11:10 Yeah. It's cool. It's beautiful. It was our second time being there. But our first time was just a few days before that. So it was a nice spot. test, which is cool. Yeah. It's long, the Mackenzie River. And it's a really beautiful place. It's waterfall just right off the trail. And it's cool, because you can climb down from the trail. There's a kind of self made trail from I think people. Yeah, fourth down there. Yeah. But it's really cool, just a big waterfall. And it kind of goes into a river that drops off and to another little tiny waterfall. I don't know, if you count as waterfall. It's a waterfall. 11:54 It's, it was really cool. I like I like the way that that looked. And it was interesting kind of learning from that, that's kind of a composition experience for 360 video, or for making a 360 image is sort of being in the bowl of the action, right seems to be kind of an interesting way to produce it, where you have something to look at, let's say if you're mapping it onto the face of a clock, you have something to look at at your 12 o'clock, but also something to look at your six o'clock so that there's a reason to sort of, to sort of pan and move the camera in the frame of the field around. 12:25 Yeah, it's a 360 photo or video. So the point is that you look in every direction. Yeah, and you really want to use it for that. Yeah, there has to be something interesting. 12:36 Yeah, that was interesting about looking at a lot of the let's say the viewpoints that I set up for, let's say that you know, the perspective that would be taken for a photograph, let's say that and those really don't seem to work very well for composing these 360 images. So I guess that's kind of the tip of the thing that I learned pretty quickly is when trying to put it together like you can't be back up against the trail or back up against the road or something like that to kind of view out toward whatever the subject is, let's say that waterfall in this case, because really what you experienced most of is 180 degrees of just to trail and dirt and trees and things that aren't really that that interesting visually to look at. So it's interesting trying to try to mediate all of those different angles that you could look at in a 360 degree view, which is where you really have to think about the method in which you're composing the image a lot to put yourself in a position where there's something pretty at all angles of view that you have isn't it difficult to think you know like in photography you just have to try and worry about getting getting just that little bit to look good in composition but in 360 you have to think about every every field of every part of the field of view. 13:43 Yeah is a fun and interesting additional thing to think about with composing something that's like visual media 13:51 It is really fun but it's a challenge or it's not as interesting a different type of perspective of trying to think of something that looks good it was something that while I was like looking at 360 video a lot of people don't seem to notice that part of it yet. 14:06 Right they'll they'll be like a background that's just a driveway or parking lot. 14:11 Yeah, yeah something like that where we're so that's what I'm seeing like some of the successful the successful arms of 360 video are bringing you into an immersion of it and of course you know of course that's what you do but so it was interesting going through and trying to produce some of that in this way but even with like some of the the company videos that I did like trying to walk through and do like a tour of a retail location that was kind of interesting to do where you know, instead of like maybe skirting the side of the building or something but you just kind of walk right through but it's interesting where you can you can have the view 360 degrees around you. So you really trying to like build an environment where you get to see the perspective is cool. So we went to the Hayley files, we walked the trail around there, which is a place also where I learned the same lesson about composition where the trail is beautiful, out toward the river or out toward a lot bangles. But then the trail is also not that is also kind of just a lot of work, a lot of broken pieces, a lot of a lot of wood and branches and things that aren't really the forest and its beauty. So it's interesting to see that, 15:11 yeah, when you're using it, you really do notice pretty quickly, what is not visually interesting or attractive, 15:18 when you just you see all the places around you, you would not take a picture of, yeah, well, it wouldn't take a picture of that, or that or that or that. That's all in the picture now. So. So it's interesting to kind of consider that sort of stuff. But that's really the the challenge, I guess, in trying to do storytelling, or composition in photography for 360. But it's, it's also possible to like right, like what we were saying we found is getting to that center position, like an area with a creek and a waterfall is really kind of naturally conducive to being compositionally interesting. For some type of 360 VR content we have semi static but comprehensible landscape that you're surrounded by. And then a waterfall it's sort of a natural position where you're gonna have a geographical bowl, where you're sort of set in with it and it's also going to be green around all of your angles, you know, it's blowing water up and it's sort of making everything green. And then you have like the creek that flows out from that that's another piece of motion that you get to look at. So all of this kind of pieces sort of work together where you can look up and see like the forest and stuff around you. So that was a really pretty way to shoot that and it's a really interesting way to kind of look at and visualize what was there and it's fun to see you know, after we do like well this is like this is like what it was when I say so it's really fun. But yeah, I like doing the hike stuff along the river there too. I also like the photos that we got from it there. I was talking about that some of the images just still images that we took Yeah, of course Yeah, there's beautiful areas so just you know, obviously like still liking to take pictures. It was really fun to take photos. Yeah, well you know, the spring snow melt is so crystal clear right now that the water just looks blue. Light luminous blue too. It's cool. 17:03 Yeah, it was really beautiful. Water was really blue and it was so clear. You could see all of the rocks and a lot of the rocks had like moss on them I guess it was green underneath the blue water It was really pretty 17:16 Yeah. Yeah, that was a beautiful spot. So that part of the McKenzie has always been really interesting. And I think they're on the McKenzie on and then I think it's What is it? What is it the maybe the calapooia the citm I don't know the one that goes out from like, like Corvallis, Albany That one's really nice too. Or you know, it's like really mossy and like it just looks foresty that sort of thing looks kinda like a rain forest that most than some of the spots that but yeah, it's beautiful about getting up there. So we traveled the day we went up kind of in the cascade area, route to a bunch of spots. You can check out more information that Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. For the longest time I was shooting with Nikon cameras, and I'd always really liked doing that but most of that was always kind of maybe constrained by budget for I think I started with a Nikon D 40 back in 2007 is when I bought it the camera probably came out earlier than that I really enjoyed kind of picking up and that was like an entry level DSLR at the time, and now it's like really antiquated I sold that off now years ago and kind of moved it over into other other camera equipment over time. But that's what I got while I was in college is a really good camera for me to learn on and kind of learn some of the fundamentals of working with a digital camera and I had a lot of fun working with that made it like a ton of photographs with it then pretty soon after that. I tried to switch over to something that was more of a professional body when I was trying to take some of the work that I was doing a little more seriously and when I was trying to get hired as a photographer to do really even just student projects at the time I was trying to get a couple extra lenses and I was trying to get a couple stronger features in the in the camera body that I was using. So at the time I think it was in like 2008 2009 actually I think it was in 2009 I bought my first like professional body that Nikon D two H and at that time, that was already a pretty antiquated camera. I think in 2009 it probably came out in 2003 I think is what it was. So it's already like a pretty big gap in time. There. There's been at that time especially in that decade there's just so much advancement in the way that sensors worked in the way that the scene I wasn't even a CMOS there was like an elb caste is like an lb ca St. Named sensor I don't even know what that is but it was different than the CMR system that would be in a lot of cameras I think that maybe we probably find now or you know like the sensor piece in the back and it wasn't full frame either it was in even the professional and it wasn't full frame it was still like that crop sensor that Nikon had. So it was good for for a long time and I was really happy to use it and happy to kind of learn on that camera they had a ton of features and really I probably go back to that that full professional body of Nikon if if I was just a big any camera that I wanted to use I think like a Nikon D five would be an amazing camera to work with. But at the time what I was trying to do was get a job at a newspaper like the student newspaper when I was going to college and to try and get some jobs or you know trying to get get some activity to try and go and take different photographs in different locations. And that job was great it was cool working for the student newspaper because you get to go to different locations and try and make some interesting photo out of something that's probably not very interesting. It's normally like a person talking to a to a classroom with beige walls and low level ceiling light or something like that every once in a while you get to go to a football game or something like that so that you don't really have the opportunity to go to normally that was really fun that was interesting and it provided me a lot of opportunities to do some some different you know work with different lenses work with different lighting and some sort of you know interesting and dynamic subject matter but a lot of the time like I mentioned it was like I think I had to go photograph that they were removing pipes from a student building on some side of campus I hadn't been to before so it was it was the I was supposed to take a photograph of the absence of pipes didn't really 21:54 make a lot of sense it wasn't really a very interesting photo and there was no people or story around it so it's you know it's always something like that or it seemed to be often something like that. That was just like had almost no subject to take a photograph so it was a challenge in that way. But it was really fun when you got to do something cool so that's that's why I bought that Nikon D two H and then to a company that I think I tried to save up some money in college that was hard for me to do I tried to save up I think like $150 or something like that to buy the 50 millimeter one eight lens that was like the version of nifty 50 that they have over on the Nikon side It was great to use and and that that kit there that the D to H and the the 50 millimeter was what I use to take a bunch of photographs for the next many years is a great kit of a camera to have it worked really well to take I think like a bunch of the cool landscape stuff that he did on the first couple trips they did were just both with that setup. So I bought that I bought that Nikon D to h USD on eBay when I made that purchase of it. And I use that camera probably for the longest amount of time. Like I think I used that up until like around 2013 or so when I was kind of trying to shift away from it. And that's when I was getting into more film photography stuff at that time I actually switched over to a an even or just a different camera a Nikon n 80 film camera because I was I was doing a ton of stuff with with film and film roles at the time. And then I bought a Nikon f4 s another film body camera that was from like the 90s I think is when that one was manufactured. I think it first came out in like 1988 that I've probably mentioned a couple times. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this. blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. 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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I wanted to talk to you about something, maybe important, but do you use a VPN? I don't use a VPN, and I probably rarely do. But I'm kind of figuring out now like how many pieces of information routers pick up and your ISP picks up about your traffic. And I'm trying to finally figure out what HTTPS is good for, like HTTP exists, like what we remember in the 90s, typing that into Netscape trying to get to our first web domain. Or we have HTTPS now, which is the secure hypertext transport protocol. And I guess that encrypts the data that's transmitted across that protocol before that HTTP had just an open protocol where you could still read the contents of data that was being routed to that page. So at least, I guess with HTTPS, that data is encrypted, like your banking data is encrypted, or your payment data is encrypted, and it can't be siphoned off in some man-in-the-middle attack, I guess, apparently, or unless that didn't work that time. That's sort of how hacks always work. Oh, yeah, it's protected. But except for that thing that it didn't work for. We weren't protected by that. Okay, well, so if you are interested, I think a VPN is sort of an interesting way where you can create a virtual private network is what it stands for. Many of them are paid, and many of them seem to be free. I think the probably the best one to jump into if you're interested in something like Tor or the Tor Browser, the Tor router when they talk about that, I think it's like a virtual private network system that kind of jumps you around to different IP addresses before it finally spits it out somewhere. And what that allows you to do is sort of anonymizing the the registry information that would be tracked about your connection to the Internet. At that router, is interesting. I've been learning all sorts of stuff about all the things that attract and sort of where it logs the router information. Wild to know about but man, it's it makes you think a little bit about all the different things that you're tracked on over the internet, everywhere. Crazy stuff. It's a weird world that we're gonna live the weird world we will live in over the next 15 to 20 years like the last 15 to 20 haven't been so 2:39 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. But this week, I want to talk about some of the past truck travel stuff that we've done, and I think you're the guy who inspired me to get a truck at the first man I got a truck gotta have a truck. Strangely, though, most of my road trip travel has been stolen camera and the cameraman. 3:22 But that camera was legendary. 3:24 It was legit. It was absolutely legendary. But for today's episode we're thinking about doing was kind of breaking down a couple of the stories in the past we had about doing some overland stuff, some overland, like travel, if you can call it overland. I don't know that's like a heavy word. I think that's a modern word, right? Like this term. I've seen that around like overland where people have seen a lot of that. Yeah, it seems to be kind of the trendy sort of rich guy word to say for Whelan. I'm going Madden. Landrover Madden or four, four wheeling or something. You take that overlanding overland 3:58 excursion? 3:59 Oh yeah, it's always that but i think that's kind of a funny part of it. But I see like a ton of that stuff. I got into that, like, I got into that stuff back in 2011. Like the overland travel Have you ever seen like the magazine overland journal? 4:12 Is that inactive? 4:14 I think so. Yeah, I don't know. It's like sort of a niche. It's a niche category. Like this whole thing. So it's where it's like that thing. You'd never find it unless you looked for it. But it's kind of it's interesting. There's tons of stuff out there like that, but that's one of the first ones that I ran into. And that's like, that's when I had like the Camry and I was back in college and stuff. And you know, that's when I first really wanted to get because I couldn't get a Landrover from the 70s I really wanted to get like a roof rack and a top box. I was I was like set on that because if I could get that, that was like that was like my that was my version of making like a Camry into an overland vehicle, you know, because I'm going to get into this but I'm 20 and I've got 138 bucks, so we're going with that. Yeah. Without as a part of it so yeah I remember setting up like like setting up the car that the roof the roof top or the top box you know man those are those are like super handy like and that was great on the on the camera when I had it but that was all kind of what was yours 5:12 you had like that that top box 5:15 yeah it was a I forget what it is now I think there's like the excursion that I had at a time and then there was like the summit model that 5:24 we didn't have the overland model didn't 5:26 I missed out on both of these were like oh man they were like you know I don't know the early 90s maybe late night early mid 90s or something that's like when the plastic was produced that's when that thing was called New and now it was just sitting on my my equally old aged car gonna go around and grab those things hold their value like crazy I picked mine up both of mine I think now three of them in total I picked three of those top boxes up oh on Craigslist was for different cars and stuff I got a little fat one for the for the Camry I've had one for the truck and we got one from Marina CRV or what do you say the truck I mean the old foreigner let's get into that later too but that long one on the old foreigner so I bought like a few of them and I always bought them on us like on Craigslist or something right like yeah it's like new they're like five or 600 bucks to get into this cheap man yeah it's yeah super frustrating so even when they're used they're they're still floating in like for good ones or for like stuff from the 2000s that sort of the more modern clamping systems or you know when they actually made it they made it better you know where you can put it off take it on and off your car without putting together like a bunch of plates wing brackets made out 6:38 to spend the whole afternoon doing yeah it's 6:39 great because he would always like you know mess up you get stuck in some situation like that when you like I think one time we had to move we'd like it was you and I Robert and Scott and we had to like move that that that top box we're talking about to the oh yeah to the raft right and we were going on that snowboard trip so we had to like pack we had to put it on and like put like a bunch of snowboards on or something. And it was just like it was just like snow and slash and it's kind of raining you got like you don't even have a headlamp you've just got like a light kind of crimped on your shoulder and neck. As you're kind of trying to twist this wing that back and forth to make sure that this thing's tight in the right spot. It was such a pain man, it was so awful. So after that they made like more simple clamp systems that work better. But man those are like still like 300 250 like the low end range. Like the second like us. Yeah, the stuff broken. I just sold one for like, 85 that was that like a big chunk missing out of it? Oh, geez. Yeah, it's not Yeah, it's like it's a gold. At least I don't know, it seems like in Eugene May. In Southern Oregon, it was a lot harder. I think I had one and never sold. But it seemed like in Eugene and in Corvallis and Portland, or, like, you know, where that that that string of Hebrews and topsoccer Yeah, right. exists all those all those overlanders out there. Mm hmm. But that was my foray into into understanding what overlanding was because I was interested in like that overland journal and so I'd like watch or watch the stuff that was coming out in that and it was just really all stuff all equipment that was unattainable that you look at like the sweet trucks and there's so many cool like land or the length that the Toyota Land Cruisers but they Yeah, they said that they never built in America. Have you seen those? Oh, yeah, they're awesome. They're so cool. Yeah, like all the other ones that Australia got and like South Africa got those are like the coolest cars ever like 8:34 that you see out there. Yeah, they're so great. I would love to have Yeah, just this sweet 8:38 diesel. Left hand drive. Right hand drive. Like Yeah, Land Cruiser track. Like there's the the Toyota trooper, if anybody's listening and they Google that it's like this, this crazy track that they made for the military that Toyota made for the military. That's like a troop carrier. But it's a Land Cruiser, but it's just got like a long back end. And it's kind of squared off so you can you can fit two benches in there to load 12 guys, or whatever, whatever. psyllium is in the back, but it just looks like Oh, man, that'd be the coolest like camper. Yeah, you take that thing. It's like, so like the F j 40. c like the old ones that look like the the Willys Jeep. Have you seen that? Oh, yeah. That and that was kind of like the one of the Jeep models that they look Yeah, Toyota's Japanese right. Yeah, of course they are but I don't know where else they they sold like their equipment to for like military use. But it seemed like the F j and the Land Cruiser line is used like with them as a military vehicle all over the world. Have you seen that? Like it's the I'm not really familiar with that? No, or not like a military vehicle, but like, like, we have a jeep. And then we have a tank but we have the Jeep? Like they have they have the Toyota they have a Land Cruiser. Or like a Ilex, right, like your old truck, your old pickup truck. 9:58 Yeah, okay. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. 10:00 The old pickup truck. Yes. 10:04 It was the best part about my old one. Yeah. Oh yeah. And so but it won't get rid of it. I still have. 10:09 It's the coolest truck but I remember learning about like, Oh, it was just weird when I found out like about American nations were in america that's called a pickup. Like that's that's a pickup truck. But out of the country, the truck is called a Hi Alex. I'd seen that. Yeah, the international version. The International name for the pickup was the Toyota Hilux. And it's like, it's got that like emblem in it. Yeah. So they'd sell these Toyota pickup trucks like Saudi Arabia or like ISIS, man, like okay, so yeah, like all the ice like the footage from ISIS. That's like, why are they all in these like us Toyota's bassinet across the section of Syria, it's because the military had bought Toyota's as helixes like new ones they're like it's just like I'm sweet Tacoma or something you know it's just like rigged up to ride around out in the desert it's probably a great Chuck for it but that's 11:02 why we should be ISIS is to get all 11:05 we need all those sweet Toyota's back now it was a big land that was like a gag in the news for a while because like all the footage from from whatever was going on which show these people but they were like next to these like old like old pickups like yours with with a with like a gun mounted mounted in the back like 11:26 that yeah 11:29 but yeah you think about like all that all that crazy stuff that I think that was like the highlight stuff that Toyota was like for runners out of the country they're called serfs. Really yeah way cooler name to kind of call a foreigner. a serf I'm not gonna 11:44 run it it's kind of redundant like I mean no matter what you have it's got 11:47 Yeah, it's like well, I mean we expected it would it would have four wheels or it's a big truck I guess it should have four wheel drive or whatever whatever it's insinuating but but yeah, out of the country was called the surf I've seen a few of them pass by like you'd see him out there you'd be driving around and people are real proud of it especially in the overland scene or that like that backwoods see man people get real proud of their their rigs that they have set up but but we saw one that was like this diesel surf that this guy had imported I don't know what the rules are on that either. Yeah, if it's I think if the if the guy's a US citizen, I think it couldn't happen but I think if you're in Canada you can you can have you can have one registered and then drive it into the united states i think is where we see a lot of those vehicles. 12:33 Well we need to make some buddies in Canada 12:36 if we need that man I need I need a diesel 90s foreigner I don't know like 12:42 commuting 12:45 Have you seen like the Mitsubishi Delica that's another that's another sought after it yeah 12:51 it's low in my mind here 12:53 yeah that Miss it's a it's another kind of wasn't that wasn't built in the United States right but it's for well it's become really popular and like that van life van life culture where people you know, like I pretty much like what we were doing the Camry six years ago. But But finding it relatively decently and they get like a van. And like it's become really popular to get this Mitsubishi Delica. They made it through the 80s. It was sort of a competitor to the to the Volkswagen line of vans that were out at that time that were kind of camping focused, but it was cool. The Delica was cool, because it was a diesel van but it was four wheel drive. It was like it was timing like Mitsubishi was just making a bunch of four wheel drive stuff probably like the Colt Vista. 13:36 That's exactly what was just kind of you don't know what to call this is you're listening to this podcast go go look it up. And that was that was your first car Billy. 13:46 And it was the best car. It was the best. It was the best car it was the worst guy but it was really though it was the worst car 13:54 I bet if you had that now and just put a little bit of money into it somebody Yeah, somebody would pick that up. Yeah, in the Portland area. 14:03 I put some studded tires on that a roof right? Oh, yeah. an LED bar. 14:08 You want to talk about led bar. CV 14:14 Yeah, man. You remember that hatchback. If you can fit 10 people in that car. I think eight people I think I did. 14:21 I don't think that's what they approved it for. No, 14:25 I just where it was. I think it was seven people. It was what it was like rated for seven. Yeah, it was it was three rows of seats. Robert, in a compact soccer 14:35 balls are driving around in 1983. 14:38 Yeah, it was It's nuts. Yeah, there was the front two seats. The back two seats that were like bucket seats two. And then behind that there was another bench seat for three. So you had 1234567 man? Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. What a silly. 14:56 Hey, it wasn't aesthetically great, but it was a You know economy friendly that's that's for sure 15:07 the worst guy so not not an overland vehicle there I guess you could say and even still like man it was had like 14 inch tires yeah no clearance to get over anything What have 15:18 you you made it You made it happen with the camera though 15:22 I yeah I did man and I was gonna mention that too because that I had a couple experiences in the Camry you've always had a truck I guess outside of like the short time you had you had a sedan for to commute and stuff but you had like had a rig that could get some places which I always appreciated and I really noticed running into a few limitations when I was in the Camry. I wanted to talk about those It was great with the Camry because you really benefit from the gas mileage which man I would say yeah because I mean the most of a road trip in some ways like is highway miles you know you're out you got to drive from here oh yeah Wyoming so put a lot of distance in between you and where you're going yeah it man it works great having kind of a light easy car to like just bomb out to somewhere that works really well. So I appreciate some of those parts but man we ran into a few spots where we just couldn't get through and the one of the most upsetting ones to me was the sailing stones have you heard of those 16:17 before? Is that in Utah 16:19 it's in it's in the southwest it's it's Near Death Valley in California and the sailing stones is a really cool spot it was in Death Valley it's like it's in the park area but the park area is just so immense but it's it's all desolate almost nothing out there you know but you take this road it cuts back for a really long way and man we were on that gravel road for ever going back there you have to go it's it's the kind of deep wilderness you would almost call it but it's like deep in desolate country out there it's sort of well traveled because there's there's people kind of moving in and out of the park system. But we were traveling there in December I think you know when we were moving moving that direction like early December of 2012 I think is when we were there and when we were we were driving up just just on the gravel road as it was said it was a it was a gravel road the whole way there. And this part of it it just kind of went up a little bit of a grade you know just the hill the slope of the road just kind of went up maybe 1215 feet or so and then kind of rounded off leveled off and then kept going it seemed like almost nothing at all. But my car was knee high centering on it basically like you could feel like did you feel like the body like start scraping because the roll off of it was like it was just it was deeper than than my car like the angle the car and the clearance I could handle I like I couldn't get there and I'd wanted to go there all my life. Oh, so frustrated. We were like two miles or so it was like two three miles or something like well, we didn't know that because you're like in backwoods stuff and it's like, like I'm not gonna park there and hike it or something. 17:53 Yeah, and then somebody else rolls up in a vehicle that can handle it. This Camry parked in the middle of the road 17:59 there was a there was like a group of kids or like teenagers on little dirt bikes like little to hundreds and they were just like bouncing they just zoomed right past us. Like a little, a little bike. And they cruise. Right. It was nothing but yeah, it's it was not it was you would it would be totally everything could get over that except for my cars. Except the camera. So yeah, no overland that day is what it is what it was, but that story really is what ended up inspiring me to sell that Camry that winter. And then like come back in and get a foreigner like when I got that that 89 foreigner that I 18:40 thought was good. That was a good truck. I liked that route 18:42 is a good track. I bet it was a better truck earlier but man it was a great truck for me. And I really had a great time doing stuff with it was super fun. Like Yeah, and do more camping stuff. And that was really cool. But that that was the first time that I had like that truck clearance you know? 18:56 Yeah, it means just like a whole new world of opportunities opened up to you when you when you have that clearance. It's like okay, and you got four wheel drive so you can get a little more daring with where you're going. And even with that though, I found that now with my current truck, I don't have the winch on it yet. And and even that kind of dictates to what I will and will not do up in the hills. Especially if there's not another rig with me. Sure. Yeah. I really enjoyed having that. That kind of that Lifeline and that security, I guess and having that winch that I can get out of trouble if I really got myself into it. 19:39 I think that's pretty interesting. Yeah, I've never had I have had a rig with a winch on it. But I really liked it. The you always did. It was cool. I don't think we've ever used it together 19:48 when we were out. I've used it on Tyler. 19:50 Oh yeah. Yeah. Pull him out of that sandbank. Is that what it was? 19:53 Yeah. I used it on a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah you just get into a rough spot you got a tree or something you can tether off of and get yourself out 20:06 of it but i think that's pretty cool I remember you telling me a little bit about that in the past and it seems like it'd be pretty necessary if you wanted to do something more serious or more long term if you're doing like an overland trip or if you're doing some subtraction four by four stuff 20:22 oh that's a big like you know off road or it's you know but it's well I mean off road in the sense of like let's go mud and rock climbing right yeah not I'm not that but I do like to get into places where typically the you know the road kind of ends or you know, somebody hasn't been back then 30 years and there's still roadway going I think it's really cool floor 20:46 yeah I really like that part of it I really like getting to those different areas and any you really get to get through so much more land you know that way it's I found it to be really cool. 20:55 You do especially Oregon in the wintertime you know this area gets so much rain and stuff. It's hard to like you know when you after the winter you get to the end of the road you know, back back this is I don't want to beg begging I want to stay in the rig as long as I can. 21:13 Yeah, yeah it's it's definitely it's a huge part of it for me too and I care about Well yeah, you should tell me about Tell me about your pickup truck your first one that you got in high school did you that was like an ad with a straight axle right? 21:29 It was a 1980s straight axle Toyota four by four long bed and that was a great truck it still has a great track it's currently sitting under a canopy right now it hasn't run in three or four years but no, I love that truck man I drove that from the time I was 15 years until four years ago 21:49 yeah I mean that was a blast i was i was the coolest drug 21:52 yeah no I have always loved that truck and that truck would go anywhere I mean the really the only reason I got out of it was just I needed something more reliable yeah fact it's last trip was the trip that amber and I took down to Joshua Tree and I put like you know 4000 miles on it 22:12 No way I remember that trip that was yeah that was pretty cool man. 22:16 Yeah and so that was a great trip take it out on the harsh reality was you know at the time gas in California was around $5 a gallon is yeah insane I was getting about 12 miles to the gallon and you know that was rough you know it didn't have AC you know that's just little stuff like people didn't get along with that forever but 22:39 now it makes me different so I've learned a little bit too I mean like like what we both learned a little bit in this last year like having a newer truck it just solves a lot of those stresses about transportation man 22:51 well it does and that's the thing is when you're committing to a trip like that you need to know that rigs gonna be reliable it's been a huge part you need to know it's gonna start back up when you're ready to go yeah 2000 miles away from home 23:04 kill the battery i 23:05 gotta tell my truck or so yeah and the battery is not the proper oh no yeah like it's just like oh you know yeah my transmission went out or like you know I blew a head gasket or something you know, I mean that truck when I took it it had over 400,000 miles on it and and so you're just going wow, this is fun but really I just need to make sure I get it home. Yeah, you know that that's what it came down to. Yeah, I 23:35 feel like sometimes it's like driving a classic car around doesn't run as well it's maybe basil 23:41 Yeah, yeah so yeah, and then I got out from that and I bought myself a little 93 I guess it was that's our five Toyota v six pickup with little extended cab I liked having the extra room that was a great little pickup to have that nice canopy with the roof racks on it I really enjoyed that. Yeah, I like that canopy sad to see it go Yeah, it 24:10 was too bad. It's too soon you know, but too soon but I understand to think that Daddy's gonna move on or you know it's good he use it you can see it 24:21 around town every now and then. Nice. Yeah but yeah and so since I've gotten into a full size truck which I I just wonder why I didn't do so much earlier. 24:33 Oh yeah. 24:34 You know it's just just having the room the reliability you know, just all the difference in the world. 24:42 Yeah, I think so too. I was in your track like we were on when we were on that last Japanese podcast out of it yeah super clean like I dig been in there it's cool. 24:51 Yeah, it's a it's far more comfortable than it used to be, you know, cramming into the little single cab and yeah, manual transmission, and trying to You know 25:01 I remember that first trip we did in your in your old trailer your your yeah cap when we were what 16 are we going to camp up at Union Creek? Yeah What is like what is that? I've been I guess it's Central Oregon I don't know what do you call that? 25:18 I don't know what you would call that it's 25:19 a Crater Lake Area yeah it's not really central National Forest 25:24 almost right yeah 25:26 it's row River National Forest because it's the rug that runs through that is yeah yeah I think yeah, it's that that area up there man that was such a cool trip and I had a great time but man like you're saying that we just there was like the three of us right? 25:39 Yeah just packed in tight Yeah. And 25:41 I was the one that had a ride bitch in the center. You throw in the third gear then was it four years? Three years? 25:51 Yeah, it was four I ended up putting a five speed transmission I remember that at the end Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was just that for speed you know you get it out. It was great in town stuff then he gets onto the freeway and you're just tapped out at like 65 and just you know semis are trying to pass you 26:09 is not built to go that fast I guess Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that was a sweet track though. Man I really had a good time in that but I remember that back in high school it was fun like making that road trip up to go camping thrown everything in the back and everybody's just crammed crammed into the bench seat. Now used to work I guess it's a little more luxurious now with the with the space I suppose. 26:39 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo wanted to talk today about some stuff that I've been doing this last week for the last few weeks I've been talking about some outdoor stuff and some things kind of related to the the lockdown pandemic stuff but I kind of change change what I was talking about a little bit for this podcast but I wanted to get into was some of the training stuff I've been looking into around Logic Pro 10.5 that has just come out recently and I thought it'd be kind of kind of cool to go over a little bit of an overview of some of the new features and stuff that are there and some of the stuff that you can do with a digital audio workstation and and why why bother talking about it but I think it was about about a year ago or so. I was talking about setting up the studio in the house that I met here and how I was getting the PC computer ready to go is an older one. I think like something from some desktop I had around from from 2010 or 11 or so. Yeah, yeah, by that time. And I remember getting that computer set up with a I think it was like Windows 10 on it. And then I was using I think the same audio interface USB out into the computer and then I had downloaded I had downloaded sonar, the new version of sonar that you can get for free. I think it had been owned by both cakewalk sonar. And then I think Gibson had bought out cakewalk. And so it became Gibson sonar, and then I think Gibson decided that wasn't going to be part of their business anymore. So I think they just kind of shut it down, essentially, but then sold that off to band lab comm band labs, I think my Internet's another internet company they have kind of a simplified digital audio workstation app that you can use to kind of create a demo or something like that but what they've done is they've gone through I guess and had purchased probably for a relatively inexpensive price or I don't know I assume since they're just they're just keeping it and kind of partly maintaining or going to doing a bit to maintain it. But they took the the sonar Platinum program the full digital audio workstation, multi tracking tool, and they made it free for people to use and for people to get but I think it's only a Windows only program so you got to have got windows 10 to to run it. So I did that. Yeah, and and Sona was a program that I'd worked with before for doing some some studio multitrack and stuff I think years ago probably around like 2012 2013 when I was when I was working with some friends to set up. Some studio equipment stuff was cool. We had like a big soundcraft ghost that was laid out and then we had a bunch of a bunch of channels, kind of running into that from from the microphones that we're using to track this band, and then that all went into a pretty old computer was amazing what it could do, you know, for just a, you know, it's probably like a two gigabyte of RAM, you know, smaller hard drive 2004 or five, six era PC computer, probably would even be that much, right. Something about that time, but that's what we use. Yeah, that's like all we had all we had with us, we had a, I think it was like a PreSonus audio interface. And then we got like, like an eight channel audio interface. That was really cool. You know, we had like eight digital audio channels coming into the interface, which means we could track the live channels into sonar at a time. And it didn't even pick up, you know, even on that old machine. And so it was interesting how that that architecture work to do some editing stuff, but sonar is what I had been using before. For some stuff, really audition, Adobe Audition is what I'd use most for some of this kind of more simple radio broadcast style stuff. And that's what I had learned to use when I was at when I was at a radio station, doing an internship years and years ago, back in 2008, right, Summer 2008, they did that. And they use the Adobe Audition version 1.52 to do all their radio production edits. And yeah, I remember, I remember going in taking calls with the production guy, or somebody calling him to do like a, 31:29 I think they would do like a water level report is really interesting radio station, now you can figure that they would have like this, suddenly, you know, it's it's 1245. And here's your local water level report for July 28, or something. And then it would be some lady that would call in from a department that would measure this stuff, and she would give her water report and the production guy, you'd record it, and then produce that and then it'd be prepped to go out on air later. You know, it's like a spot that a DJ would trigger upstairs. And so we kind of walk through using audition to do those steps. And so learning that as a program was probably the first one that I'd done. We should prior probably goes back to high school before that when I was doing editing stuff but but sonar, back to sonar was some of the stuff that I've used. Probably a good bit more for the for the music, you know, like trying to like track a band or do like multi tracking projects. But so yeah, that's what it used to be. That's why I thrown on this windows 10 PC to do some audio production stuff for this podcast workflow that I was trying to get into. And it's cool, it works really well. But But I stopped using that computer A while ago, I think the the the windows 10 computer that I'm talking about had a power supply go bad, which could be replaced pretty easily and is on a to do list of mine. But since then I've really just been relying on kind of like I'd mentioned, just recording recording onto the device. And then using Adobe Audition to do the post production work on my Mac Book, which is kind of interesting. It's just a more, it's just a better workflow and stuff for the for the most part. So I've been kind of sticking with that. But recently to get to the point, as you are all excited. Logic Pro 10.5 has come out no logic, as yet to be mentioned in this podcast Logic Pro is the program that was produced by Apple as their professional digital audio workstation. And so there's GarageBand, which probably a lot of people have some experience with. And GarageBand is sort of the trimmed down simplified home user version of a program like, like Logic Pro, and they've done that intentionally, I think it's the same team that generates the two programs. And if you if you look at them, or you look at their interfaces, and you look at their the types of access, you have to things, you really do see a familiar similarity to it. Which is cool. So if you've used something like GarageBand in the past for home projects, you won't really have as big of a difficulty moving into a more professional digital audio workstation environment, like Logic Pro 10. So I think it was Logic Pro 10 just you know, 10, zero, came out wine or product 2013 or so I think that was that was sold for 200 bucks. So it was like a purchase price of 199. And then since then you get the point updates for free, or you know, as included with your original purchase. So just recently, I think they've been like 10.4 before this. And then now they've moved on to 10.5. And 10.5, I think is probably the biggest, as noted by plenty of new sources. As noted as as one of the most significant feature updates that logic has had probably in years and years. I mean, I think this is the first time that they've gone through and removed and updated some of those legacy items that have been in there since 2003 or four or five, you know, it was just some of these legacy products that were there. Were originally put in there as including their interfaces to it looks like a 2002 interface for for like there's these synthesizer interfaces where these these weird knobs that you have to do these weird just rotating features of the interface it looks like it looks ridiculous I don't know other any other way to explain it it's a it's pretty wild for some of the some of the stuff that's just remained in computer computer systems for a long time but for 10.5 to try to go through an update a lot of that stuff and it's really interesting there's a lot of cool new features in logic 10.5 so logic is real similar to sonar which is I guess kind of why I mentioned it at least through my experiences similar you guys are probably think it's similar to I know what people that are listening probably actually some well no one's listening What am I saying if someone were to bother to try to find some information out about logic and they ended up listening to this podcast they probably have had some information about it or they would be coming from from an experience with avonds Pro Tools and Pro Tools is like the industry standard for multitrack and DAW software and I've never used it I've never opened Pro Tools I've never seen Pro Tools you know in in this process at all 36:13 i don't know i did a couple videos or something but yeah I have no I have no experience working in Pro Tools and i don't know i'm not a fan of avid software overall you know for Pro Tools or for or for the avid system of video editing stuff either I've just i'm not i'm not really that interested in that kind of stuff that they put together really for price and stuff too It just seems kind of kind of over over done a little bit so so I'm pretty happy with with some of the other the other more available tools that are in the consumer computer market I mean I think it's like 800 bucks or something still to get to get abbotts Pro Tools and I think that in the past that was you know insanely more than that even with you know kind of proprietary back in the past it was more difficult now I think m audio is a partner with Pro Tools and so in the past if you had Pro Tools, you have a lot of proprietary Pro Tools, audio interfaces that you had to use if you wanted to set up your studio to work seamlessly with the Pro Tools software now I think they've made a deal with M audio which is a sort of like a less expensive audio interface manufacturer they've had like interfaces and microphones and you know they got like an array of I think they've got like some studio monitors they've got some interfaces they've got like keyboards is a big one that they've got I've got a keyboard over here from them audio and what did it yeah Mr. Yeah, they're less expensive they make Pro Tools interfaces which is cool now so they've got a partnership with Pro Tools and I think that they've been trying to make that more accessible to musicians probably because it's become a more competitive market with really with like logic Logic Pro i think i think the industry standard stuff is I mean it always seems like more secure that it should be it doesn't it doesn't seem like an absolute that Pro Tools should be the digital audio workstation of engineers across the world but for whatever reason it's just kind of taken over and and as those people you know are still still in those positions. I think that's that's just what's taught in audio recording school is like a standard even though there's a lot of other good other good services and choices out there. I think I've seen sonar and logic taught a lot too so I don't know they're they're definitely competitive and as I've been hearing more this there's there's produced music producers that are coming out saying oh yeah, I do a lot of a lot of my work and in logic and there's you know, there's a whole class of music producers that are logic based producers or sonar based producers or I seems to kind of rotate around every couple of years for for who's doing water, you know, who wants to look cool. people that use Pro Tools one of the cool probably a lot of them so back to back to old Logic Pro 10.5 here's the good stuff. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo calm, few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. But this photograph is a cool one from the Sierra Nevada on the east side of the Sierra Nevada mountain ranges near Lone Pine, California, in the Alabama hills. And we liked camping in the Alabama hills. This was I think, right during Thanksgiving week. During 2012, we had a blast being there and camping there during the day, it was cool. It was strange because, at that time of year, the sun sets still very early. Like it was around three o'clock that the sun would set behind these mountains. But it would be pretty warm out I think we remember getting sunburned out there even on the first and second day of December when was still when we were still there. It was pretty cool. We had a lot of fun being out there. And this is a really beautiful photograph of it that we took early that morning around sunrise. 1:14 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, you cool stuff over there. Today I posted a photograph from the way Canyon area, it's like really remote South East Oregon territory. It's cool out there I've only gone out there a couple of times and truthfully we need to be I don't know just needs to be explored much more than what I've put my time into it for but it it's just so remote. It's amazing how it is that they like what we did we came in from Boise we drove down and through that, you're kind of in the Ottawa area as it kind of flows into I guess though what he would flow into the Snake River. Somewhere around Ontario, Oregon. But up above that, I guess the law he goes up toward Winnemucca which is sort of what I understand or at least kind of stretches on there a little bit I was hearing about we were handing to this guy. This kind of eccentric mountain man, when we were in the Molalla Mountains and he had talked to us stopped for a second he was using like hiking pants and you know a jacket with the handkerchief on he was probably in his 60s maybe. And he told us that he was uh I don't know what he was using the things he had been out there for maybe like a month or so maybe, maybe he said like four or five weeks of being out in the mountains. And he was he had his partner going back into town to get provisions when we ran into him but he had a tripod and a camera and he was walking around, or he's on a hike through the ego cap wilderness trying to find these, these trees, this type of pine that's being affected by climate change. As the climate gets warmer in the Alpine area. As the temperature starts to lift in elevation, it changes the types of tree species that can live in the Alpine area there. So I guess it kills them off as the temperature gets higher. For certain types of pine trees. This was like a two-needle pine and a five-needle pine, something like that. But apparently, 3:31 I guess that's what this guy's working on. So he's trying to work on a photo project for this. He talked to us for a while, though, about the law, he came in about the Snake River and about, I guess how before the dams were built, the salmon run with flow up the Columbia River, up the Snake River, up the Elahi river, and you would get salmon run into the interior area of Winnemucca, California or Winnemucca, Nevada, way out there. So it's just really weird how it kind of pulls up these smaller tributaries of the Columbia from the ocean back into the central part of the state of Nevada to grab a chip. But it was interesting to talk to that guy for a few. And then when we were out in the Milwaukee area, it goes on for a long time. But there are a few different sections of it's a big river, right, like so it's it's whole territory of land that sort of meanders through that section of Oregon. But really beautiful landscape out there. What we did is we went to Rome. And then there's like the pillars of Rome, that's this, this area out there but then off from that you can drive south really for quite a while for a while on a dirt road. And then you pull around. And we take like this bumpy little road, like a little access road out to this point. And we did some cool photos of the awapuhi Canyon. It's pretty right there. At least in this spot that we were taking photos of. But it's cool. I guess if you go a little further you can pull into this, this Three Forks region, I think there's a dam, or there maybe there a few dams in Hawaii it seems like that's kind of what I've noticed from it, but there's this backed up area where you can go in And then what I want to do is I want to get a kayak and I want to set up a camping trip and kind of do like a backpacking trip and just throw the backpack in the kayak and then cut across the water you know kind of cut down though the law he river and then pull out on different sides of it you know over a couple of days and do some camping and do some photos but I seemed like a cool place to explore the Three Forks area I guess was that like the trout Creek mountains it's maybe somewhere near there maybe it's not too near to there I guess that whole area stretches out in a pretty expansive way like so. So from the Hawaii section then we drove over to like the burns junction and then you have to drive past that and then you're pretty close to the Alvord Desert. That's when we're driving West right? So we're way out east like near McDermott, Oregon Rome Oregon, I don't know it's way out there here that like like this week in early October right here it's hunting season and I guess I guess that's a huge area for or it's a it's a big district for some of the bigger mule deer and I guess the elk that are out there I guess it's a big area to go hunt elk but I've also heard like the fossil area there's probably plenty of drainage is that that workout is good hunting lands for this time of year for whoever's into that but yeah I've just been working on some photo stuff so yeah, the photo from the Hawaii canyonlands area is posted I put that one up I worked on it for a little while trying to do some editing stuff and but yeah, it's really cool i like the that area I really want to go back there and spend some time there for real you know, that's a tough thing is it's so remote sometimes you kind of move in over a larger amount of landmass that that whole region just sort of would take a week maybe more to kind of get into and explore and I bet there's a lot of new interesting photos and visual things you can see down there there just be a cool adventure to it seems like like such a cool spot that's not really seen by a lot of other people. So I don't know an interesting thing and something to put on the opportunities list for for next season as we come back into the camping zone. But yeah, it seems like you're gonna have a couple months here. Like winter in Oregon always is a bit kind of turn it down into a little bit of a slower time for the outdoor, outdoor adventure outdoor camping travel stuff. 7:21 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. Couple of things I wanted to talk about were some Mac apps today, I've been trying to sort of set up my mac book to be 8:11 is configured with a few more utilities and a few more pieces of software that make it a little more functional for me. So I want to try and talk about those a little bit today. But one of them was I stat menus it was this application that I'd heard about. Maybe over a year ago, I've been using it a lot when I was trying to render some 360 footage and a lot more like video footage, I was just using a computer like the whole day to do that. So this program, I stat menus is really good for adding in a bunch of information like a bunch of system information to your computer right at the top of was the bar at the top, you know, like the Apple menu and your time and your clock and stuff, right? If you get a bunch of a bunch of information about like your disk space, your network speeds, uploads and downloads, your CPU and GPU. It's pretty interesting I like to get into check it out. And kind of with it, you have a bunch of graphs that sort of indicate when or how much how much of a system is going toward that task at that time. So right now I'm doing an upload to Amazon photos to try and get a backup of all my images up there. And I'm looking at the network monitoring. And so it's showing me like a history of my network upload speeds over the last 24 hours. And I see like there's a big dip before like 5am while I was running overnight, and then now it's back up like two maybe 3x what it was before. So it's an interesting kind of monitor like how, how your speeds are that sort of thing when I was running rendering video out it was cool because you can see like the temperature sensor sensors inside of the computer. And in addition to that, you could see like the hard drive space that was left on each few drives including your externals and you can see how fast the CPU and GPU are working. So I've been using this app a lot for kind of a The system process monitoring stuff is cool, I've been enjoying it, it's kind of fun to, to get used to. In addition to that, another one that I'm checking out is probably one that a lot of people have heard of before, but I think it's called magnet magnet, I think and it sort of reproduces the functionality that you get, I think started back in Windows seven, where if you pull a window to the edge of the screen, it'll sort of snap to the edge of that side of the screen or oral snap to be a split pane window. It's kind of interesting how it works. But I like I like how it works on Windows and I have been sort of frustrated in the past that I don't have that kind of utility in the Mac OS system. So I you know, just windows are sort of built to kind of float all over each other. And I did kind of like that part of windows or even back in my experience of working windows, which is in a way I work with a computer now I have like seven windows up right now. And the windows out really always go to full screen application almost all the time. So it's kind of interesting, that workflows, right changes over time. What else I'm working on, oh, Amazon photos, that was another one that I guess I'm I'm kind of going through right now sort of lean into another side of it. But I've been using Amazon photos for a while and the Amazon drive system to have some backups or, or not even really backups for the photos, backups of the photos, I suppose because it's the dngs. And it is the JPEG images, I think you can put video up there also. But that takes up paid storage space. So for photos, you can put as many photos on the cloud as you want with your prime membership. And I think I put like probably almost 100 gigs of photos up there. So it's cool, you do have access to all of your images in that in that library of images you have online, like I can pull it up on my phone in an app, and I can pull it up, you know, on the web or in a few other places. So it just gives me an accessibility to my images I hadn't really had before to every image and that way at least that's kind of cool that you know, I do see that I have access to all of those photographs. Bigger than that I really need to go through and make more functional collections of smaller sections of that. So they have just a lot of the photos I would need to use set up and a high quality system that are more accessible to me that's still that's still a little piece that isn't really quite as tight as I would like it within my photo business. But I've been using Amazon photos to make a backup of everything if almost everything's already there. But it can incremental area. Like as you go, you need to get all the new stuff up there. So I'm trying to put up a bunch of the stuff that I've had for the last couple months when I haven't really been able to put a sync backup to the Amazon photos. cloud backup. The cool thing is though, is I'm trying to work with iCloud a little more in addition to that, and so I've been setting up the iCloud 12:52 Why put it in Finder so I can access my iCloud data there in Finder from multiple computers and from my phone, which is cool. But on my phone in my files app, I was going in there and I put in satellite the Amazon drive application on my phone, I had my files application sort of show that I can go to my Amazon photos files there from my phone. So without even go into the Amazon photos application just from my files app, I can go through and browse all those photos folders on the cloud and then pull up and view those images. I thought that was kind of cool. Or it was just interesting to see like Well, yeah, I can jump to each any data photos that I want back in time because they're all backed up now and more accessible. So So I think it's pretty cool. It's a it's a free service when you pay for a prime membership. So I guess the proper way to say it is it is it is a premium service that is included with your prime membership, which seems to be pretty valuable. A lot of the time. I like the Amazon cloud services and cloud storage services, which I'm trying to get a little more into, like I was mentioned, I think it's I think it's 11 or 12 bucks a year for 100 gigabytes of storage space on Amazon drive. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you next time

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I'm talking about a photograph that I made on the Oregon coast today doing blue hour probably, I think it was after the senate set sort of like you know, the golden hour to talk about right as the hour as the sun is setting into the sunset, the blue hour, they also talk about as after the sun goes down, there's a lot of those blue kind of purple tones that show up in the atmosphere, or you know, in the clouds and the water. There's just a lot more of that tone as the sun drops and as the spectrum shifts from what we see in the daylight to what we see at nighttime, but I think this was a photograph taken on the Oregon coast. I think you're Bandon if I'm right, and I really liked this photo just had, it wasn't really a big structure in the wave or a big curl or anything like that. That'd be that'd be really striking. But I really appreciated this photograph as kind of a close up look at just sort of the dreamy feeling of being on the coast but there's definitely a photograph that I liked a lot and I liked that line in the skies it is it cuts across. As you can kind of see at the top there there's a bit of a like a cloud break that goes down and that's where we get a lot of that light from the sky in the background that kind of cuts underneath. That big brand of cloud that goes over the top of the snapback causes a lot of bounce from the ground back up to the sky and then back down and you get a cooler or well you get a diffused sort of soft light and net effect which I think is really cool. 1:50 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look up Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there kind of continue with some of the stuff that I've been talking about the last couple episodes talking about some everyday carry camping stuff that a an outdoors II stuff that I have around with me as I was gonna talk a bit about flashlights too. I've been trying to pick up some some kind of outdoor flashlights that I can have around with me had the headlight I have a headlamp I have a black diamond headlamp I like that headlamp works pretty well for me it's a pretty rugged, kind of outdoorsy sort of Rei ready tool works pretty well. I think it's around like 190 lumens or so for the spotlight piece and then there's sort of a not as bright kind of wild angle LED light on there to also as the switch over to the red LED a lot of that stuff is nice works pretty well hasn't really failed me yet runs on three AAA batteries I think it's a pretty cool piece I think it's been fine I've been also kind of looking around at other flashlight units and other kind of outdoors sort of work and utility flashlights that I can get ahold of for the longest time as as a kid I was really into the mag light systems you know like the the kind of like the cop lights that you'd have the runs on the DSL size batteries and I had like the the to sell flashlight That was a good one to kind of put they had like a truck holster these little pins that you can put down kind of drill them straight down to the bed of your truck by your your left hand driver side as you kind of dropped down to the floor there before you get out your driver's side door and you could kind of pop in a to sell mag light there as you truck like I said that was pretty cool and but I'd have the add the mag lights and stuff around a long time I think that's what you know what they have like the five seven mag light that for sell three so they have the two double a mag lights yeah you know the model across the lineup and stuff had those for years. Those ended up kind of failing on me after a while and now they're really not supposed to but I think like the back end sort of rested up and then I had some trouble with corrosion with the batteries that were in there and I wasn't able to break it open with the the PB blaster penetrating fluid that I was hoping to use on it. Anyway that's all to say that maglite has been put aside I think for a couple years I haven't used other stuff LED is the way to go maglite hasn't really updated the technology so that you're still using kind of a real lame like 50 or 80 lumen incandescent ball but they just pop in there which I think is really inferior especially at this point and they're LED conversion options that they make, I think are really limited and aren't really anywhere near the type of LED it's you know, it's just it's it's like a reproduction of the same incandescent ball but as like an LED as a real kind of harsh I thought blue light to it. And it doesn't really have that kind of bright and crisp sort of layout and focusing beam system that you get even with really cheaply made Chinese LED lights now So I was trying to find so that kind of brought in some of the cool sort of outdoorsy or utility stuff toughness that the maglite had with its branding, or you know, kind of with its flashlight engineering. And then something that kind of brought in some of the cool LED, focusing being light technology stuff that we have with the more modern flashlights that that we've had over the last 10 years or so right, like blue LEDs came out in 2008, something like that. So that's the first time that we had red, green and blue LEDs, which allowed us to make white LEDs and that allowed us to make you know, all these cool color changing light emitting diode patterns that we have now and that's where we can get these diodes that are real bright and just kick out a ton of light versus their power output. So we can run these incredibly bright 1000 lumen flashlights out of just like a handheld couple battery, you know, like I know, a few afford DSL battery or an eight double a cell battery. You can load up these flashlights or you can load them up with your own rechargeable batteries which is a really cool new feature you can juice them up with USB like your iPhone and then punch that light on you can run a sustained like 1000 lumen torch for hours off of that it's really cool yeah those kind of options now so that's the sort of stuff that I was looking into I was looking into a couple different brands, a sort of durable, reliable and useful sort of outdoor utility flashlights. I think that the Marines or special forces use one specific light that's like $1,000 insanely priced then it's finding this other ones stream light I don't know if you heard these flashlights I've heard of them a bit before I've seen them in some other stuff and it seems like they're kind of 6:47 I don't know sort of like an industry standard so I think if you're doing a lot of like first responder work or like you work with and you're working an ambulance I think you have a Streamlight has a contract with a lot of emergency response people and so they have like these stream light flashlights some really cool stuff it seems like nicely made utilities a lot of metal flashlights, a lot of polycarbonate flashlights, lot of safety flashlights, a lot of wood lanterns, and I like these big new kind of like big carry lights that have like three sort of like three led diodes laid out in this triangle shape on the front. And then a red flash on the site manager big old honkin lights but they're expensive man if you get if you get I think like their top whatever they're they're 20 it's like it's like iPhones or something they're serious about their 2020 model flashlight is like $170 you get like 1000 lumen handheld flashlight it's rechargeable it's got a bunch of buttons on it supposed to be dropped proof shatterproof tactical proof or you know all sorts of stuff that they're kind of making claims on on its usefulness and and its reliability and it's pretty cool man these lights are just incredible on like some of the stuff that they can do it seems you know I mean, or at least like to whatever degree they're trusted in emergency response or police use I think like the police use these Streamlight lights a lot a lot of people in kind of professional settings seem to use them a lot so I was looking around at him minimum even just for Penn lights those are starting at like 30 bucks it seems like and then as you're getting into like some of the nicer mid range stuff you're talking about 50 bucks a light or you're talking up from there into something even even higher into like the $100 like averaging $80 to $100 to $200 or $250 for some of these these lantern lights that they have listed out there so cool, cool lights, cool flashlights man, if I was gonna get a premium flashlight I probably get one of these seems like they're gonna last a long time seems like they have good warranties with them and they've got like a bunch of a bunch of different stuff around it that this seems like man What a cool like Marina like that's gonna be a really reliable constructed piece that you can carry around with you but at that price point, I just can't really see that it matches what I need and where I need to go very well I can't really spend $75 on a flashlight it just sort of doesn't really quite fit with what I'm trying to be up to right now and for the way that I've kind of been talking you know, it's like flashlights sort of go bad, you know, use them for a while, but you don't use them all the time. Or at least like in my circumstance like you know, it's like I use it, I like to use it, I need to have a flashlight. I got him. I got him around where I need them. But I needed to be good. But I also needed to fit a certain price point where you kind of get the best sort of trade off between these two different things. And I think you can make a quality flashlight for less than $100 right. So I was looking around I found this other brand out of Portland called coast and you see him they're distributed everywhere. You can find them in a lot of places you can I think you can find them at Walmart. You can find them online. on Amazon, they're all over on Amazon in stock. You can find them on their site you can find them I was gonna say Home Depot, they've got a big selection just laid out at Home Depot you can get a bunch of different pieces lanterns, magnetic work lights like utility lights and then a bunch of ranges of flashlights and they have a steel or like how do I say like a mag light style series that's sort of a steel metal casing and then they also have this other one that's a polycarbonate casing that's sort of like almost like plastic but it's like a steel case with a polycarbonate coating is supposed to be good for some outdoor or you know some kind of I guess higher work stress threshold flashlights so I think that's kind of what I went I went with coast and I thought it was kind of cool that they are a Portland company. They've got a whole led line they've got like a line of knives too that are inexpensive and kind of cool to get ahold of and if you can find them I throw one of those in the toolbox it seems kind of fun. But these lives these these lights these flashlights is pretty easy to get ahold of I picked up a poly steel 11:13 400 I think that's a 400 lumen handheld poly steel Latics for double A's and that's got like a real solid beam on and the poly steel is cool it's that polycarbonate case so it's kind of like it's kind of like plastic but it's like it's like that it's a polycarbonate so it's like the plastic or you know it's like that kind of the plastic that's on a Glock handle or it's on you know like a knife handle or something like that but real sturdy, you can kind of swing that thing under the ground and it seems like it it still stays intact still still works I think that's sort of one of the things that this this model prides itself you can go online to coast Portland calm their website and you can watch these tests these stress tests their flashlights where for whatever use this is I don't know if you're going to do this a bunch I guess get this flashlight but they have a guy up on like a 10 storey building and he checks this lit flashlight off the building down into an empty parking lot below you watch the flashlight fall to the ground drop boom bounce kick over slide off and the light stays on why would a miracle so works so I guess the I guess it's tough is what they're telling me which is really actually pretty wild. If you try and do that with a lot of other led flashlights you're really going to have that led you're gonna have the power to the LED interrupted from the battery source that's going to get knocked out and probably cracked or messed up. And the LED circuitry itself is going to crack and shatter and you're not going to be able to use that chip anymore to emit light in the same way that you had been before so that's what's really cool about these is that they can take what seems like you know like what are you doing this for kind of a thing but they're crushproof 12:57 I think they're waterproof IP x eight rated flashlights they've got the the CO be the chip on board, light panel LED light panel kind of on the side of one of the flashlights that I picked up you know it's got the straight beam ahead. But then it's got that kind of newer led lantern effect that some of these flashlights have now where it's got instead of just like a single spotlight led lens through the front of the light, they've got this like strip of LEDs now on the side of it you kick a kick another switch that turns on and it's sort of more of a broad and open lantern light that you'd have if you're walking the dog or something like that or you want to kind of fill ambiently the light in a room with a flashlight you can kick that light on and sort of a softer illumination across across the ground without any kind of spotlight and a sort of a warmer white color to you also click that button one more time boom it turns into red so you got a safety light you click it one more time and you got flashing reds which is pretty cool that you have a few of those different options but but yeah, I got I got that one that's a I think almost 1000 otherwise it should get that right i think it's I think it's 800 lumens out the front spotlight and then another 500 lumen light out the side chip on board see ob or whatever it is but that that sidelight so yeah really bright lights I got that 400 lumen spotlight there's also like I was talking about headlamps early add that Black Diamond one I think that was like maybe like 150 lumens it's sort of averaged out to be there for the spotlight and the wide the wide light that I had there for for this coast stuff they have a they have a headlamp it looks more like a miner's headlamp you know like the cool thing about the LED stuff the backpacker stuff that's all kind of sleek in design it's small it's kind of a compact methodology that they're laying it out and but if you look back in time and you look at like the miners lights add these minor headlamps is Oh man, how's it Without a bin but I think it was just kind of a shiny piece of metal that kind of cupped around a pretty regular incandescent bulb and that was supposed to sort of lens forward your light for you so you can kind of grab it and focus it all toward the toward the front of you. And that was a pretty inferior way of doing it at the time but that was how they produce their headlamp spotlights at the time they kind of improve that technology over the last 100 years of course, and even during the the you know, the battery operated days you'd have like a big miners like like the high end headlamps or like just these big old beastly lights and then it runs a wire down to your hip, we're on your belt, you have a battery pack hooked up, and then you kind of switch it on from there, it juices up your light up your back on a on a cable and then boom, out the front of the light comes. I don't know 500 lumens or 400 lumens or whatever it is you get your real sustained light there. Now with some of the advancements of the LED stuff, you still have those lights and those are really high end and really cool tactical lights but even just looking at some of these kind of more simple headlamps from coast that they had, they had the kind of the big kind of miners headlamp style spotlight section thing there. And that put out 400 lumens of light, which was a you know, maybe done a double at least what my little headlamp was doing. So it's kind of cool that you can just kind of pop in, pick up some of these other tools and stuff and and they're waterproof crushproof ip x eight rated kind of outdoor utility tools and so it's cool that you can get a hold of those things. And it's nice that they're as inexpensive as they are, they're really a lot less than the Streamlight lights. But man, I really like those stream lights also. So I'm going to try and keep an eye on him and if it seems like it comes up with a good deal or a good value, I'm trying to pick up one of those, those kind of Streamlight higher end lights. I might go for it too but really for the value for money and utility that it provides. It seems like these coasts lights are a real score. The last one I picked up was a penlight. So this is sort of the everyday carry light that I've got with me in my bag are actually in the ammo can. I put that that kind of that smaller poly steel 400 Coast's light that's in the, in the ammo cam box been in the pocket every day I've got this, this little pocket pen light still kind of the same thing. I think it's a 110 lumen light. 17:26 It's got two AAA batteries in it. And it's about the size of a pan just a little bigger, kind of like a bit of a like a like a thick Sharpie is sort of about as big as it is. But that size in the pocket, it's got the same waterproof rating. crushproof rating is as the other pieces that I talked about. But yeah, it's just a smaller handheld penlight that I like really quite a bit I think it's pretty cool to have like a more full size light I know my I know my phone has its LED on it, that's really nowhere near as bright as what I'm able to get out of this out of this panel light so it's kind of cool having that piece around me and even even already in the last couple of days of nurse I pull this thing out a lot more than I thought I would to try and try and use it as a utility, especially in spots where the the phone light would come in is no good. So kind of fun stuff going around, working the flashlights, trying to check out some different brands and stuff. Maybe I'll still try out a maglite in the future. Those are kind of fun for nostalgia sake. But I think some of these coastlines might be the the direction I go and it's kind of fun. 18:35 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo 19:14 data management stuff that maybe we can talk about some other time. Like how to use hard drives, how many you need, how many backups you need, how to like re archive stuff, and probably just talk about like the Trump like because we're not experts, but just the trouble that we have of trying to sort out the hard drives that we have. And like where the data is, do we have duplicates over like I think you were talking about that today of the duplicate that you have. files in the archive? 19:39 Yeah, I've been putting together I'm also trying to get in shape for 2018 all my photo work for that year. So I've been putting together and archive of all my stuff and yeah, I'm at that point where I really just have to weed out all the duplicates that I have so many things. Yeah, 19:56 yeah, I'm definitely there to where there's so many different little parts of file. They've been made from the original RAW file that was taken like the original photograph, there's so many derivatives of that that have come out of it over over time, especially if it was a photo that I liked that I ranked highly, you know, and then I'd already exported, there's already copies of that as a JPEG, or some other like smaller web sized die, 20:18 I have a lot of different sizes. Yeah. 20:21 And that's the one that I'm trying to get through right now, I'm going to try and go through this catalog. And I'm going to try and sort it out so that I pull like the top few 1000 photos of the last decade, that are the raw files that I really want to be able to work on or get access to, or make new versions over prints over something, whatever that might be, but I just have access to kind of quickly or, you know, like, Oh, yeah, these are all the memories that I'm really after. I want those best versions of the files available to me. But a lot of the time, I'm noticing that, like, it's really difficult to get to that given like the current archive structure that I have, where it's just all 100,000 photos that I have, yeah, I can't really get the stuff in the way that I need to. So I'm going to try and like figure that out where it's all the best stuff that I want to have with me, right now everything gets archived to the cloud, or to some some cold storage thing, or, you know, to some old hard drive that gets shut off or something but some some place where we get like everything stored there. And then really just like the last like year, or 18 months or so, and like the next six months or so is what I want to be able to like keep on the hard drive that I'm working on. But we should talk about more like harddrive data stuff as the year comes out a little bit closer. 21:32 Yeah, I know we're planning on, or we're kind of in the process of changing around how hard drives are set up for stuff. 21:41 Yeah, we're trying to get I think a little bit bigger stuff because like right now I have a four terabyte hard drive here. That's the one that plugs in. And that one's been great for, like doing some storage stuff. But now like, you know, like the data rates, they just the cost comes down so much that you're able to get a really large size, large capacity, hard drive for not much money. And I think the like the, the cost of that is a lot better than some of the cloud storage stuff. And just some of the efforts of trying to put something in the cloud, and then trying to pay to keep it there year after year after year. I'm really looking for a lot of these things that aren't really super important and super high priority to be able to put in some kind of cold storage thing like this, like what we're talking about, where we have a backup of it on a hard drive. That's kind of put aside that we don't have to worry about too much. But kinda like what we noticed, I think like what one of those burned cables, it's in the trash right now. Is a signal a signal of is that hard drives go bad sometimes like that hard drive, that we had that portable one where it burned out of the USB port. 22:38 Right? It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. There's nothing on it. 22:43 Yeah. So that Well, yeah. And yeah, he's not backed up. So yeah, that's the thing. There's a back. So it would be terrible if you know, one of these hard drives went where it was the like the soul, the soul House of all of the data that we have, especially like all like the decade of photographs that we made and stuff. So I'm really trying to be conscious of trying to keep those in multiple places at the same time. So we've done an effort to put those up on the on like a cloud storage service, which has been okay. But I think it's like, it's not the best version of those files. If I understand, right, it's like a JPEG version. There's a few limitations are added if I understood, right, but it's, it's okay. I don't know, we'll try and put a bunch of stuff up on the prime photo service like that. 23:27 I was gonna ask which, which services you're using right now? 23:31 Yeah. But amazon prime cloud services is what I'm trying to use for the photo storage. And they have like unlimited photo photo uploads for a lot of stuff. And we put up a lot of stuff on that. But you kind of keep, you have to make it current. There's all this stuff from 2016 and 2017. That wasn't really part of that. And so I need to upload all of that content. I've been in the cloud. 23:53 Sure. Yeah, you just have to keep keep adding to it. Yeah, I have to 23:57 keep that keep some of that stuff saying to him, I think he will still there's there's a lot of gaps within like 2015 and 14. And it's all just stuff that we can file ourselves, but, but stuff that didn't make it up originally. And so now that I have like this, this like new catalog, like so what I would say before I get out of myself, what I did this weekend is that I took the hard drives had this one terabyte hard drive that I use is like my portable drive that's like my storage and stuff like the tank that I have with my laptop when I'm in my bag out on the road. And then as all my photos on it, and it's really just a copy of like the whole photo archive for a long time. But what I've been wanting to do is update that for 2017. And take every photograph, I have every JPEG DNG file and any RAW file or photo file that I have on my computer on any amount of drives. I want to try and condense that down into one set of files that are organized in some way. And so I wanted to use Lightroom to do that since Lightroom. And it's back and when it when it brings in files. It'll bring in files from one hard drive and then write them into a new file architecture on another hard drive. And so I tried Take, I tried to take everything and I backed it up into the four terabyte hard drive. And then I brought everything back over. And I filtered it through Lightroom. So they could get everything put into a new file architecture that matched by by like month and date and year of the file date. And most most of the metadata is correct. But like, you know, Marina, like a lot of the metadata for whatever weird camera or whatever set of film that we had that was scanned by some computer that never had its clock set, and still says 2002. There's all sorts of stuff that has the wrong metadata date, where it shows up, like when my d3 battery died, and instead it was 2007 in February, again, because I was the first date that that computer knew in that camera, and just reverted to that date again. 25:49 So worst, no, sir. 25:52 So it's Miss it's misstated. But it's really fine for most cases. So I was able to bring all this photos back over, I put a new collection together, it was about 500 gigabytes or so. And then it was able to transfer that back over to the to the larger drive. And then the plan is to wipe the go drive, the one that I have with me all the time, and then bring back over like I was talking about at the beginning, like the top few 1000 photos, and then everything that I'm kind of currently working on for this year. And last year, so there goes a heat, bang, bang, bang, bang, sounds like hammers on a pipe, it really does every time exactly what it sounds I never used to like when it comes into in the fall. And those start popping. It's pretty funny all through the winter, all through spring style, I guess like in the 70s. late May. But, but yeah, so we're trying to do like this collection of archiving all these photos and trailer, organize it together. And it's been a fine process so far, but like trying to get your harddrive straightened out, especially when you're a little short on space, because you sort of wait until you start to organize your harddrive until, until you're running low on space and you're like Oh man, I gotta do something, I gotta move these files around so I can kind of get by so and that's what I was running into problems with to where, like every harddrive was starting to get full and I go Oh man, I gotta get like a new hard drive. And like we were just talking about hard drives go bad, especially portable ones, especially the spinning disk drives like the mac book I have now that's an SSD, the solid state systems are going to last a lot longer than the spinning disk disk mechanisms because that magnetic spinning disk plate is going to mechanically fail after some number of miles of revolutions that makes that the motor does that the solid state system has the advantage because there's no moving parts is just electricity. And so it's really conceivable that there's really no finite point that that drive will fail. Like most thumb drives or something optical media, it's kind of like thought that that's going to burn out after 20 or 30 years, you're not really even going to be able to use the disk as it's stored unless it's stored, like a good condition with thumb drives and other like solid state media. If if the ROM doesn't lose whatever data was on it, it's likely that you know it'd still be readable if it was damaged. So it's kinda interesting, like how 28:14 different types of interesting and what's not. Yeah, this guy. 28:22 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end

Inside this episode, I'm diving into sleep onset, which is essentially how long it takes for your baby to fall asleep. By looking at and understanding the averages for sleep onset, it can help you to uncover reasons why your babe may be resisting naps or bedtime, waking frequently and SO much more. ----------------------------------------------------

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I was going to be talking about some of the ideas around VR rendering, I've been just getting into that after recording a ton of 4k, I think 5.2k video with the GoPro fusion I've just talked about a lot of that stuff on the last flash briefing, but today, I've been bringing it over onto my MacBook Pro, which is quite a modern version of the computer. I think many of the pros commented recently, it's probably the better iteration of the MacBook Pro for the last number of years. I'll get into that and some of the apple WWDC news just in a few seconds, but for some of the VR rendering that I'm doing on it without maybe a dedicated graphics card to push through it as you know, the fast clip, it takes a long time so I'm trying to export 360-degree equo rectilinear video footage in 4k mp4 file format with an H dot 264 to throw in some other term that this someone might not understand. But I've been trying to do that overnight. So I've been using, I've been using that command if you have a Macintosh, this is a good one to learn. If you go into your terminal, I think you can use the command caffeinate just the word caffeinate and then space dash D and that will force your MacBook or your iMac or you know you're your Apple computer to remain on and to not go to sleep under the normal circumstances that your settings would have precluded it to do. So it's a really cool, cool little bit, if you're just trying to make your computer stay on or force it to stay on for a longer amount of time, it leaves the screen on to you gotta you gotta do your little f one f two thing or something to turn that down but it works really well that I've been using that to leave the computer on and have it running so that it can be churning through some of these 4k rendering jobs that I have the computer set to do overnight while I'm sleeping so I put the computer out in another room and then I have you know like a queue of video set up for it to stitch together this GoPro stitching stuff for the GoPro fusion software is really intensive I know that Oh man, I get into that some of the time but man the stitching software is just I mean can you imagine what it has to do to stitch hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of frames all in like 5k or something to make it almost like you know a seamless you know make a look good and so just don't get a blurry line. So I'm amazed that it can do any of that sort of stuff at all. But it's you know, it's fascinating as it is but it takes a long time and it's interesting to get to the point where you're like Oh man, this computer can't do like a professional job like this and that's where you think you think you think You almost hit the limit of the need for computing or you know the need for a lot of the processor speed or the I don't know what it would be the specs of a computer and you think that for a lot of web-based desktop publishing stuff or phone-based mobile publishing stuff, we've really maxed out the need for the speed of a lot of the components but then you come into a position like this where you're starting to do higher level compiling or the higher level rendering of either like you know, compiling like a code base or something or trying to render out some of these higher file formats. video files, you notice like how long it takes and how much you would really have an improved job by having an improved machine and so I think that's where like a lot of stuff like the pro line of Apple hardware comes into play like the iMac pro that came out earlier this year and that's I bad I guess it's been semi well received by some of the pros there's just not a huge part where you can't upgrade it you know it's an iMac computer so it's going to be strong and 4:04 capable at video are capable at Thunderbolt expansion to whatever that would mean for you. But it doesn't have expandable slots or you know expandability within the frame of the computer. Then even really the cylinder Mac Pro didn't have the expandability that they thought it would have and I think that was also part of the graphics card architecture that they use don't end up getting updated there's a whole kind of snafu around stuff around that where that's why that computer didn't get updated in the fashion that they maybe thought it would have and that's I think why like a lot of the more modern 5k monitor IMAX are faster computers are higher spec computers have, I guess a newer generation architecture for their, their core processor than even the highest SPECT cylinder MacBook Pro At this point, I guess, given that it came out what 2013 and hasn't seen a whole update yet since then. So, or I don't know, minor update, you know, like, kind of, you know, just simple component stuff. But not it was just kind of internally within the spec, but I don't think there's been an actual rendition that's been new from that. Yep. So that kind of brings me I guess, to the last point, which is, Apple's WWDC is supposed to be coming up here real soon in just the beginning part of June. And that's when we're supposed to get some information about it, I guess it would be the developer preview for iOS 12. And some of the news a rumor oil, I guess rumors would be currently what they are, after WWDC is when we're going to get confirmation from Apple about the direction in design and feature choice, it's going to be going into iOS 12. And maybe we'll get some hints on the types of devices or the I don't know, maybe it's going to lean heavily toward the AR, maybe it's gonna lean heavily to the gesture format that we've started seeing in the iPhone x, kind of versioning of iOS 11. I don't know yet. But hopefully, we'll see some Siri improvements. Seems like that's gotten long in the tooth after a little while, especially kind of starting to see now given you know, like this, and what the echo is capable of. And well, I guess some of those Google demos that we saw a few weeks ago about artificial intelligence, parsing the verbal cues of what people are saying and trying to have that fill out a form of data. It's interesting stuff. 6:33 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo Comm. You can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, cool stuff over there. 6:56 I saw what we've been seeing I saw a helicopter, there's a thunderstorm. That was like when I was last doing a podcast right so there's like a big-time thunderstorm that was rolling through that last camp that I was at when I was podcasting and then rained a bunch after that. That was nice. stay nice and dry and pretty warm and tracking the truck canopy and stuff waited out the rain then it cleared off just like a couple of hours later is that that thunderstorm system move past us. And then yeah, cleared off and got cold. got pretty cold. I layered up and I walked out into that field now with a ton of wet grass and stuff. walked out there brought the heater like I was talking about and posted up out in that motto. To check out the stars and stuff from that you can see Scorpio almost all Scorpio it's cool when you got a strong Southern view of the sky. And from this area and Oregon, you can't quite see the dip in the tail of Scorpio as it kind of scoops down and comes back up with the stinger at the end. You just barely or you get out you can imagine how it kind of skips around but yeah, at where it is now at this time in August. I think it's it's kind of tipping over and gone. not visible in that spot. But I think I see. Was it Jupiter? You see just past Sagittarius as you're looking to the south. Then near that just a little bit further over to the east on that same ecliptic line you see Saturn. I think they are both near the position where they are in opposition. They're not as bright as they were a few years ago, you notice, but there's still really bright, really cool to see. And then if you stay up late enough, maybe around midnight or so. You'll see Mars rise over on the eastern horizon. And it looks coppery red and noticeably cool. But I think it came up right about the same or about an hour or so after the moon rose last night. So tonight it would probably rise along the same location as Mars. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Would those be cool? Check out that stuff. And I was checking it out the other night after that thunderstorm out in that field. So it's kind of fun, kind of staying up and check it out some stuff but then I went to bed. And then I got up the next morning and this was what was cool. As I looked out the field I hadn't seen any animals out there. I heard a few birds like a raven and a couple of other things. I think I heard a turkey gobble. I'm not sure that but I looked out looked across the field and I saw two of the biggest birds I have ever seen. There. They are the biggest birds I've ever seen. I'm not sure what it is it looks similar to a blue herring. So I figured some kind of herring maybe it was a crane. But I would guess if it was standing up it would be almost fourth tall. It looked like a small deer or a dog in mass and size as you know kind of like the feathery body of it wasn't popped up in a big way but there are two of them. And yeah, it looked like dinosaurs out there in the middle of this field. I've never seen a bird like that it looked like a blue herring goes about twice a day I see a buck it's at two o'clock and walk into my three o'clock. 1.2 point 3.4 points it's a two or three-point buck doesn't see me That's cool. Little back cruising through. I think it's a mule deer out here. I saw a group of mule deer down in the lake bed this morning. And when I started wrestling around they all kind of started running or one of them kind of got excited and then ran off there they're probably like two or 300 yards for me. And I pulled up the binoculars as scouting and yeah, they were just bugging it across this open lake bed and then they got tired and stopped and started eating grass like almost right away so it's kind of funny how they kind of move around but yet this guy's like 11:21 I don't know what 200 feet walking around can't cool dude. These are camping with me. What was this in two giant birds? I saw these two giant birds Thunderbirds they were awesome. They were brown kind of Sandy tan colored. And they had like a beaked face like a real pointy beak face similar to blue hair and it looked like an emu or an ostrich or something out in this field. It was diet. But it looked I'd say like I've seen a lot of blue herrings they're way more slender than this had that kind of big kind of round full bodied thing and then had that cranes neck that kind of the s curved crane neck and it was just kind of on the ground walking with its buddy and they were cruising around poking at the ground trying to get grubs or whatever but yeah really cool to see him and then so I was watching them for a bit I had him the binoculars I think I got a couple of pictures but like I was explaining that last podcast smartly I have a wide-angle lens with me which is you 17 to 40 millimeter so as a way out super wide so you just so you know no telephoto my back. So didn't get the wildlife shot that would have been cool which is fine and I accept but I did get a couple of pictures of it that probably poorly show two big things out in the distance and I mean it looks like it could be dogs could be deer, or it could be birds so it was pretty awesome to see but as I walked out a little bit I exposed myself into the sunlight they got they got a side of me and then they both let out these for like maybe 30 seconds to a minute or so they both just kind of stood around and made these sort of warning or territorial. croaks these like three beat croaks that would just echo across this whole valley that or this whole metro area that I was in just carried on for acres they're probably like an acre or two away from me at that time. And yeah, they just set out these loud croaks kind of morning that these up, standing dude predator out in the distance, but yeah, then they kind of sorted it into the flight, but they just kind of wanted to back off up into the hill up into the tree line. And then I tucked back myself back up into the tree line by my truck, made another cup of coffee that morning, and then I saw the kind of popping out again and poking around that. That Meadow again, but it was cool giant birds I really would say they're like four feet tall. Body Mass section, it seemed like about two feet or so. You know, like kind of on their leg? Maybe 24 inches off the ground. Yeah, it just seemed like a really big bird. If I was standing right next to it, I'd be like, Whoa, man, this is a real critter. So it was fun. I'd never seen a bird like that out there before I heard about it. Some of those are birds like that before I remember hearing like, is like a colloquial family story. That I think a great uncle of mine had had probably similar to this area too, which is interesting. I like that. But he said that he had woken up one morning and looked out and saw these prehistoric-looking Thunderbirds he called them and I think I had an experience like a two. I think it was fun. I'm sure it's a normal animal. It probably used to be around a lake or something. You know, that's sort of what it seemed like is just like a giant Pelican or crane or something that you would see how by the ocean, but to see out here just walking around sagebrush in a field in a meadow at 730 in the morning, it's just like Wow, look at that. I thought I'd see a deer out there, but No giant birds. 15:09 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. I bought a domain name at night sky podcast calm and so I'm trying to build a pretty simple WordPress site that can host a lot of the information about that podcast about that project as a whole. So it'll be pretty basic. And it's not supposed to be something that's, that's usually complicated by any means. But I'm interested in you know, just trying to try to make some different graphics and make some explanation of the podcast is sort of how it works just to kind of differentiate it a little bit. And so it's just like a side project and a hobby, I'm trying to put it together. But I've been trying to find out some ways to do that more easily. So I've already built about three or four pretty usable WordPress websites. And what I was hoping to do is try to try to take a lot of that, that work that I had already done, and then migrate that over to this new night sky podcast website that I'm trying to put together. Along with another site that I'm trying to put together, I'll get together. I'll probably talk about that in the next podcast. But through this nightscape podcast website, what I was hoping to do was take a lot of the way that I've customized the theme that I'm using and a lot of like the Page Layout stuff that I've already put together for let's say my Billy Newman photo website. And I want to try and find a way to migrate that over to this night sky site, and then strip out the parts that won't be the same, you know, I'll replace the graphics replace a lot of the layout stuff in a way that would be unique and bespoke to the way that I want this nightscape podcast website to go. But it's a little better than ours, it's a lot less work, and it saved me a ton of time so that I don't have to go back through and make customizations to each of the fields associated with the site in a way that would be like brand new to it. So so I'm trying to learn about that a little bit. What I've been trying to do is find out, I guess different ways to do that. And so one thing that I ran into, while I was trying to do a bunch of this troubleshooting on my site over the last couple of weeks was that I'm really in need of making backups of my WordPress sites. And so what I went through and did is a made, I'm sure there are ways within WordPress to do this, but I was using a plugin. That's and you should let me know if anybody's listening out there. And they've had experience doing backups at their WordPress site, you should let me know if it was the most effective there's, there's like the cPanel backup that I've made from the server side where I backed up the files that were associated with a website. And so hopefully that can be restored in a way that would be useful. But there are also some complications that I think I've run into with that. And it wasn't as user-friendly as I wanted it to be. And the restore points, I don't know, it didn't feel like it worked for me as well as I had hoped it would. But it did come in use, it was very useful for me to do that 18:23 when I did run into problems, and I wasn't able to access the site. So I'm glad I had those backups of the cPanel. But I do still have access to the WordPress dashboard of my website, what I'm hoping to do is use this plug-in system that I found. And I'm sure like a million other people according to what it said have found it also. But I'm using this plugin called Updraft Plus, to try and make to try and make backups of my WordPress pages. So I went through and made backups of each of the WordPress websites that I've created so far. And first, that was the Billy Newman photo.com website. And then in addition to that, there was golden hour wedding calm. So I made backups of both of those. And then there are another two websites that I'm still kind of working on. And I want to try and make those new. But I did make backups of those also. And I was able to save those on my server. But I was also able to download those to my local drive and put those on an external hard drive. And the great thing is, is that I conversion, those backups. So when I make adjustments, or when I make updates to my site, and I want to make another backup of it, it'll make I can make a backup, and then I can download that. And that'll be like the, you know, this was in January 2019. But with all these extra pieces of content and with all these extra additions to the site, this will be the backup I'm making in February 2019, something like that. I'm trying to figure out those and I think what I've discovered is that what I want to do is take a backup of my WordPress site. Let's see In this case, the Billy Newman photo comm backup. And I want to use that to clone and then migrate that over to the night sky podcast.com website. And so I think I found a way to do that even within Updraft Plus now, the Updraft Plus plugin offers a premium service where you can purchase the ability to do a database migration for I think, $30, it's not $30 per site, but I think it's $30 for the plugin, and then you get support from that plugin developer for some time, I think it's like six months on the low end. And then and then if you need support for a longer amount of time, I think it's more money than that. There are probably some caveats to it. But that is an option that I'm trying to explore right now as if I'd want to go through that process of using the Updraft Plus plugin to do a migration on my site where I can bring in a lot of the theme customization in the theme itself. And I guess the database with the updated database over to the night sky podcast website. And it could be an easy sort of one-click solution for it. But I'm also trying to look around and see if there are other ways for me to do an import for a clone of the website, and the website data so that I can bring in a lot of the information, but maybe leave out a lot of pieces that I won't need because I'm not trying to make an exact duplicate or an exact copy, I'm just trying to bring over certain elements that would be that have already been adjusted in a way that I don't want to do the work over for. So if I could just kind of bring in this draft of a website version, that's almost everything complete in the way that I want. And then delete the content that was on the blog, delete the pieces that were you know, over in this section of the site, rewrite and about page and a couple of paragraphs over here, recreate some graphics, and then I would have what would seem like a familiar site would be on brand. But it would also be, you know, a new site that would have a lot of new content on it. And it would just kind of remain the way that I wanted it to. So that's sort of the hope that I'm trying to go for. And I guess that the Updraft Plus plugin creates XML files for you to use. And 22:09 I don't know how it works. But I think if you break open the file that you've downloaded, you can go through and then, and then there's an alternate way of making an upload for that sort of stuff. But I guess the problem is, is like the database. So if you're migrating a site, it's expecting all those domain names to be what they had been in the past and not migrated or not a set of new links that have these new domain names, everything's going to link back to another site, that it's not, it's not an ad. So the database, I was just not going to make sense. And I think that's what this migration tool is supposed to help you do. So I'm looking into that. And I'm hopeful that I can kind of put that together pretty quickly. I'm also trying to be conscious of my time a little bit too so that I don't spend a huge amount of time and development trying to figure out, you know how how to go through and fix a bunch of errors that might be created if I try and do a restore of a backup or a clone of my other site and try and migrate that over to this new domain. I'm trying to figure out a way where I don't have to worry about that all that much. But I'm still going to do some more research. It's going to be an ongoing project, an ongoing project, and I will update you in this podcast on my progress. That's what I figured. So I'm going to do that with another site too. I think I mentioned yesterday that we're starting the golden hour experience podcast. And we've also started the golden hour experience.com website. And so I'm going to try and go through the same process over on that site. So I can import a bunch of the settings that I have from golden hour wedding calm and try and put it together in a way so that I get to save a bunch of time and not have to redevelop a WordPress site from scratch again. So that's it and it could work it seems like if I pay just a little bit of money, I can make it work, which might make it worth it. I figured the other news that I was gonna get to was some stuff about ebooks. I'm sure you're excited now. Thanks for listening to all this. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the backend.

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 Think yesterday I just recorded some of it, where I got into some more information about 360 videos and some of the interesting stuff that I'm going to be

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0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I think today we are getting a recorded podcast and a little bit about some of the videos that we recorded in the high desert when we had the GoPro fusion 360 ca

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If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I wanted to talk to you about the forest fires in Oregon, my parents called me they were living in Southern Oregon, and they were talking about the huge amounts of forest fires that came out, I think from a set of lightning strikes that occurred from a storm that passed through over the weekend, that's a really dangerous thing about summer storms that pass through those hills and Oregon off the coast, is that they bring with them some charge. And that ends up in lightning. And then we end up with some strikes. And these remote regions have hills out in the Siskiyou mountain range. And those start fires. In those rural, I mean, just like remote wilderness areas of forest. And that's where we've had a couple of burns over the last couple of decades that have been very seriously maybe some of the most serious forest fires in the nation of the United States have occurred in those locations outside of some of the places in California last year where we saw property damage, that sort of thing. But that is regions of acreage, I think some of the largest areas had been in the wilderness areas of Southern Oregon in the last couple of decades, I guess it is now but it's been kind of tough. We went out on a drive recently. And we were in Central Oregon, which is probably a couple of fires out there, which is you know, there's no shortage of timber and fire danger in some of those locations, especially because of you know, lightning strikes and that kind of activity like that. But last year was dense and difficult to get through the summer because of smoke and because of fires that were going on in the forest fire damage. But this year, too, it's tough. So hopefully this is maybe a shorter-lived experience. And I hope that the firefighters can get a handle on it and get containment on here pretty soon. But it was something that was affecting our ability to get out you know, there was like visibility down to just a couple miles. It was nice that it was at least that but there was a lot of interference from the smoke. That was out even up in Central Oregon, 2:12 I was surprised. You can see more of my work in Billy Newman's photo calm, 2:21 you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon, I think you can look at that Bitly numen under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. I ran into another guy out there. And he was like an agate picker. This is something I want to get into too. I was talking a little bit about agates, how they're formed and how they show up and all that and I'd be interested to find out the geology of how some of these creeks have agates formed in him here along the west coast. I think it's kind of cool to the land formation I would the geology is over here. And however, that goes back to the history of the agate formation of what went on over at the coast. But I think just north of Newport there's a beach called agate beach, apparently a place where there's going to be agates found, but this guy that I was talking to was saying what he was saying like if you kind of Prowl around town in this kind of these older, smaller, you know, coastal cities here in Oregon and probably in Washington or wherever they might be. But if you kind of Prowl around the town you'll sort of see these almost kind of just it says rock shop or gem shop or something like that at some sort of little shack kind of place with the old sort of weathered sign on it that sort of looks goofy looks like an old-time prospector kind of just works there and kind of does it himself but I guess he did some of those people some of those guys there are some of the more invested rock towns in the area. And some of those guys if they've retired, I guess you know, the lead up some of their picking spots or their lead up some of their information on what they've done to collect some of these cool rocks and gems over the years. But some of those people in those local town spots, have some good kind of easy starter information for people that are getting into some of the rock counting stuff. But I was told recommended by a guy over Newport to try to find a man named rooster. So I could find out about the good rock hound in spots. Sounds fun, I haven't taken it up on it yet, but the guy gave me an agate that he had collected and I guess he was telling me that the good time to go is in the wintertime after some of the bigger winter storms come in off the coast and then dredge up well I guess not dredge up but I guess they wash out the light I guess like we were talking about the wash out the sand, it's kind of come into sandbars they wash out then it exposes some of the gravel beds, some of those rock beds that are a little bit lower down in the sediment, and that exposes some of the beds that have the agates in them and I guess those come out during low tied in the winter time, I guess after what January February, something like that. And that's when this guy has found most of the agates that he's spotted out there in areas like agate beach up to up to where I don't know what's up north of there is at the corner head or is that below it? I can't remember now but it's cool. Yeah, so it's fun going out and doing some agate-hounding stuff. 5:32 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Numan photo.com, forward slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. And Lightroom stuff, I'm gonna try to like develop a lot of photos like with the travel stuff that we did the trip and like the trip that I did with my dad out to Christmas Valley, and some of the stuff around like the teepee rings that I was photographing. We're trying to like edit a few of those. And I've been doing most of that in Lightroom. But I've been trying a couple of different other pieces of software and haven't gotten super far with it. So we got to do more research, this will be an ongoing segment for our podcast, which will be fun, too, we should try out some betas I don't know where we can get a hold-up. But there's Lightroom. And see like, there's some news about how like Lightroom is switched over to the Lightroom Creative Cloud, which is going to be sort of a cloud-based photo editing system, I think it's going to be a little bit more lightweight, I think it's going to be a monthly subscription system. And then there's also going to be Lightroom classic, which is going to be the current Creative Cloud, a professional Lightroom system. And I think that's going to be like your disk management system, like how to put files onto your computer hard drive and how to edit them, and then how to like process them out and put them somewhere. So that's still going to be around and I guess going on, but it's only going to be a subscription system from now on. I think that's kind of pushed a lot of people including myself to consider what other editing options are going to be out there like file management systems for your photographs. And there are a few new other systems that are coming up that also seem a little bit more modern, in some ways, too. But I think it'd been kinda interesting. And it's been cool, checking them out a little bit. One of them was Capture One. And you and I had looked at that one a little bit. 7:46 Yeah, you showed me that one a little bit. When you put on your computer. 7:49 It's cool. I want to learn a little bit more about it. I know there's a lot of content out there about it. There's the phase, the phase one camera system, have you heard a little bit medium format, digital camera system, it's really expensive, real nice, apparently, I only know like a little bit about it. But those raw files, they're immense, medium format, digital, raw files. And so the processes, they kind of constructed their editing software, that was this Capture One software, and I think it was supposed to be a more modern system of rendering your raw file adjustments. And I think it's supposed to be kind of tuned specifically to the raw files produced by this phase one camera, which is an interesting piece of software, you know, it's technical. And I see like a lot of professional photographers kind of shifting over to it, but at least I see I see it popping up a little bit more in sort of a higher-end fashion system or like people that are using phase one systems or a lot of Sony systems because I think it's so specific to the Camera RAW file that's produced. It's sort of strange, right? I think it's built for the phase one camera. Right and like for a lot of other file types, yeah, for those file types and a lot of the Sony file types. So I think a lot of like the Sonyadditionalographers are getting the Capture One Pro software, and they make like a free Sony editing software that's a little bit stripped down. It's like the Sony Capture One express or something like that. Who knows what it is, but I pulled that on my computer, I've been messing with it and I pulled a demo for Capture One Pro. And it was cool kind of messing around with a different raw editor. It's different than Photoshop different than Lightroom. But it's, it's still kind of like the same panel and slider idea. You have a panel you have like hue and color and sharpness and haze and whatever. And you can kind of make some adjustments to it. But it was interesting, to do something different with the raw processing. And I guess it's supposed to be faster. So the idea is supposed to be a more modern system. It's one of those things where Lightroom was built years ago like back in 2006 and 2007. I guess there wasn't the ability to throw a lot of processing I went to the graphics processor. I don't think it was as important back then they use your graphics processor for rendering and processing and crunching some of the graphics stuff, the editing. So I think a lot of that was built to like run and process the raw files through the, just the main processor. So I guess there are a lot of things about Lightroom that just aren't made to run slow, given the modern computer architecture that people are using, and other people are developing. And so I think that's where like there's an advantage to maybe some future new Adobe software, but also for some of these current players that are trying to do some of this photo editing software stuff like the other one. Affinity Photo, which is one that I think you'd see 10:42 a little just a little bit. Yeah, I really, I've not put anything on my computer. 10:50 Yet, I haven't put anything on. I know, it looks like a lot is going on there It looks like and I hear a lot of people talking about how impressive the iPad app is if you have an iPad Pro, I guess the affinity pro app on an iPad is really powerful for tablets, tablets. And you can do a lot of stuff like with the pencil, the Apple Pencil, or with your finger to do like healing adjustments, a lot of stuff like that, that you really couldn't do with software outside of Photoshop before. So it's cool that they made some progress on that. And I guess Affinity Photo is also producing digital file management software to go along with Affinity Photo, which I like the Lightroom part of 11:32 it. Yeah. Yeah, kind of like Lightroom. 11:36 I think it's the Lightroom part and the part where you can apply adjustments to multiple files at the same time. Oh, sure. Stuff like that. I think it's like a lot of those features that they're trying to build out this year, because of the changes that Adobe has made to the Lightroom system. And how they're changing over to like the Creative Cloud system and the, you know, kind of Lightroom Express system. 12:00 Yeah, not as much of a pro tool. 12:02 That's what I've heard it sounds like yeah, so I think that's why a lot of professionals are a little bit unhappy with that adjustment into their workflow, you know, they're just looking for that, that professional system that they have to increase and get better in the ways they need. Yeah, I think I think Adobe is trying to hit a wider market of hobby photographers or Instagram, you know, kind of it's more about adjustments. Yeah, yeah. One-click kind of adjustments. Yeah, sort of thing. Yeah. 12:29 It'll be interesting to see how that ends up going. 12:33 Yeah, it will be interesting, you know, that that's sort of the shift in modern computers in a lot of ways. And if you were working on an iPad, I bet it'll swell a bit. It'll be pretty cool, you know, to run a bunch of photos off on an iPad through that system. You know, probably they work. Okay. I don't think it's the direction that I'm gonna go. I don't know, I just actually seem like it's the right, the right zone. 12:57 That was what I was thinking. I'm hoping that the change encourages these other companies to Oh, yeah, develop theirs, their products were, 13:07 I was, yeah, I 13:08 was hoping they'll be there'll be something to kind of replace what Lightroom is right now. They like Lightroom. 13:15 Before Lightroom, there was an aperture that was built by aperture, and then they stop producing aperture. I don't know what's gonna happen with Lightroom. I'm sure that it's going to stick around. And I'm sure it's going to be like the top of market share for a long time for photographers editing software, it'll likely kind of remain in my workflow for a long time, too. I was looking around at Capture One, it's not the thing I want to use. Yeah. affinity there's some future, you know, but I haven't any, there's not the thing that I'm looking to use in the way that I use Lightroom right now, 13:47 that was what I noticed when I was looking through other photo editing software. There really, there are a lot of things that look cool. And like they could be something useful. Yeah. But it's just not realistic. It just doesn't seem like it's there yet. Kind of editing. I'm trying to go for it. 14:06 We'll see what pops up in the next year. And I you know, I guess the cool thing is like the given version of Lightroom that I have right now is it's totally fine for me. 14:15 Yeah, this old version of Lightroom. Anyway, 14:18 yeah, they come out, but I'm still always happy with the older ones for a long time. So I'm kinda interested. I'm only interested in buying software that I own. I'm not interested in leasing software, even as a working professional, even if I'm making money from using the software. Yeah, it's got to be a really special kind of business software license that I'm working on. But it can't I don't want to rent software. It can't be my color correction software for my photographs. I need to own that database. Yeah, it's a really good thing. Yeah. And for as much as I'm working it, I think I need to I mean habits, no service. 14:56 Right? Yeah. It's just something that is part of your daily 14:59 work. I get Paying for storage, paying for the website paying for hosting paying for processing, and something like that. But then I don't want to pay for the thing in total, if it's just raw processing and color correction, cropping, and exporting of a file like there are a lot of image editing systems out there. And everything I can do, I can do on an older system. But I'm interested if we go forward with some new software, I'm interested in trying like, like affinity, or you know, one of these other more modern just buy outright systems. It's like, yeah, it's like $100. It's not like there's Pixelmator Pro. That's it a new program coming out. Yeah. And that's supposed to be kind of a Photoshop-level replacement for stuff. I think that's like, definitely when you're like, working with layers working with, you know, textures. And so yeah, you can do a lot with it. Yeah. 15:45 I think that I had looked at that one briefly. And yeah, that one is more like Photoshop. Yeah. Or has more Photoshop capability? Yeah. 15:52 Yeah. I've heard people are really into that and are like really surprised with the level of quality that they can do and the speed that they're able to process that stuff. As an as like were we talking about? It's built to work on metal? Like, I think a couple of these things that we've been talking about are Apple apps. And I think metal is that system where it writes, it writes quickly to the graphics card. Right? Yeah. So what is that I can't remember, I can't remember the names of these, like these graphic layers, these graphic options used to work. But yeah, this is supposed to be a way faster system of processing some of that graphic stuff. And guys, this was to be a big benefit. But that's the sort of thing I want to try out with you is that, and I want to try to kind of invest in that stuff, just because we would own it, we have a license, we get to use it for as much as we'd want to. But yeah, we should try and check it out a little bit. Also, I kind of think it'd be kind of fun to get some of the software, and just do like little videos about 16:46 it. Oh, that'd be fun. Yeah, I'm just like, trying it out checking it out. Like hey, like we're, yeah, we capture one. Yeah. 16:55 We just kind of check out. Yeah, yeah. But I want to try some of these. I want to try, like, you know, tech checks out and, and see if some of these other tools are better, or more modern, or kind of make a different, more creative result. Yeah, a bit of that in Lightroom, where you seem to kind of fall in like a little bit of a rut of like, how Lightroom edits a photo? Oh, my 17:19 gosh, Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, you can get a little stuck in routines, or just like how you kind of have to adjust it? 17:26 Yeah, yeah, there's a little bit of that. And I'd like to see if there's some new thinking around that workflow that makes it a little bit or breaks up my creativity a little bit, make something a little different. So I think it's worth it just in the sense of that kind of investment. But, but yeah, overall, I think I mean, you know, everything's fine. So I'm one of those people that kind of says, Yeah, I usually use the old or use. I don't know, Adobe Camera Raw, if you have to, it's probably like most of the adjustments that you need to do anyway, I think I'm not big into retouching stuff. You know, but like, I think you need to like work a raw file. Yeah. process its color. Correct. It makes sense it. So yeah, I think there's a lot you can do just with about anything, but it's kind of interesting, just seeing like, some of these new software's come out and how they're being developed. There's another one like one, it's up in Portland. Yeah. Seems like a Lightroom competitor. So the idea behind it, I've not gotten into it, I think that like a beta comes out. And I was a little confused about how to use some of it. But, again, like that's the main thing I'm saying is all these new photo editing software's it's like, I'm kind of confused how to use them. So grants are ingrained in using the stuff in Oh, yeah, just the layer? Yeah. Yeah. It's been cool. He's just been like, what I've gotten used to for a long time. So I know, we're kind of making a transition. But it's that bad. 18:46 Yeah, it'll be interesting. Just check out some of these new things. Yeah. Alright, 18:51 check out more stuff with you. I don't know. We'll have to figure it out. We got to figure out some new editing stuff. But really, I think for a long time, I want to want to jump into a bunch of these raw files that we have from the last month or so. One of them is I want to try and compare presets. This is something we haven't done much before. But I want to try and get into some presets for Lightroom stuff. Yeah, and I want to try and do a little investment into like affinity or into Pixelmator or you know, one of those other alternatives. I think with affinity at least there are a bunch of preset systems for the photo editing stuff there too. I want to try and compare them a little bit or run some of our other photos through it and see what kind of creative results we get. I like working with some of these preset packets over in Lightroom or some of the new stuff that you could do over in affinity just be kind of cool to try and experiment a little bit with that. 19:40 Yeah, I think that would be cool to get into the preset stuff a little bit. I see that as like a huge part of a lot of photographers' workflow. Yeah, I'm curious about like, what, what that is like to use 19:51 um, yeah, I'm pretty interested too I see tons of people on the Instagram kind of promoting their preset systems. 19:57 Oh yeah. selling their preset time. 20:01 I don't know if I'll do that so much as watching a YouTube video about how one built such and such preset package. 20:10 What I'm interested in, 20:11 there's lots of stuff out there, we can find that that could kind of be a creative start for us to find something to do. But it's interesting to see the levels of editing that go into some of the color corrections that happen on these photographs. Oh, yeah, yeah, some levels of editing that I'm not familiar with. So I guess there's a lot that I should learn about it. You know, 20:29 really, like, that's a big part of why I'm interested in seeing other people's preset packages. Yeah, I just want to understand like, four presets that are for photos that I think look better. Oh, yeah, like, Good, right. I'm just, I'm just interested in seeing like, what does that look like? I'm trying to figure out when someone else is putting a photo together. Like, 20:50 I'm trying to figure it out, too. Yeah. What is the system of stuff on the side that you're looking at? What are the adjustments that are going on? Like, what hue and tint stuff is being pulled around? It seems like there's a lot of stuff going on in there. Like there are a few kinds of granular changes in color correction stuff that I'm probably not getting into, in my photographs. And I bet there's a lot of stuff that could be pretty cool. 21:12 Yeah, I think it'd be really interesting to get into 21:15 Yeah, I want to do some imagination, some photographs that have, yeah, 21:19 I've been going back through really like my portfolio, I guess, and trying to reevaluate what my best photos are, and also just re-edit a lot of stuff. Oh, that's great. Yeah, but yeah, I'm trying to get into better finer editing. 21:36 See, yeah, I'd like to try and figure that out, too. Yeah, I've noticed that that's like an element of the post-processing, post-processing stuff that I want to get into, more heavily is like the level of editing stuff that I'm able to do, or just the level of choices I'm able to make when I get into something like Lightroom, or affinity in the future. So it'd be cool that we should develop on that it'd be cool to try and push ourselves on that a little bit and see if we can learn some new tricks. Yeah, man, I like that I process probably 200,000 and 300,000 photos, and the last couple of years. I usually export stuff. And so with that, I don't know what I did, or, you know, there's not, it's just, it's just sort of automatic. Or, you know, like there's a lot of things that like aren't setting now. It's a weird thing. Like, I've just kind of moved through Lightroom for a long time. 22:25 Yeah, I know, there's a lot of stuff that you probably kind of just like, auto-work through. I know, that's how it is for me. Yeah, a lot of pictures. And I think it's fun as much time on. 22:35 It's like, it's when like when Tiger Woods was playing golf. And like halfway through, he needed to get a new coach for swing. I don't know, golf. But yeah, you're like any coach, because he was like hurting his shoulder. After all, his swing was wrong. So we need to like to correct his swing. But it's one of those things where it's like muscle memory, right? It's like so ingrained in like the way you do something, I should hold something. So it takes a lot to kind of break that habit of yourself that muscle habit yourself and then kind of figure out a new way to do the thing that you do. So we got to kind of break ourselves a little bit, but I want to do a bunch. Like as we get more and more into wedding photographs, I want to try and figure out some interesting stylistic things that we can do in those photographs through our post-processing. 23:16 Absolutely. Yeah, I've been really because that's what I've been doing for photo editing. Yeah, mostly the last couple of months as well like wedding photo stuff from work that we've been doing. Yeah. And yeah, I want to get into more of a stylized way of doing that. A little bit more of a particular kind of quality. Yeah, I like their photos are awesome. They're so good. But I want to, I mean, that's kind of what I like about going back to like the Sony cameras and stuff like, like, they don't even have to be edited. They look beautiful, already. But I want to get into making them look a little bit more like a style. Yeah, not just that it's a really beautiful photo, but that it's like, 23:58 No, I want to work in a good way, I want to be selective about our lens use. 24:04 Oh my gosh, I 24:05 think there's a lot that we know to do in that that we're not able to execute right now for some of our projects. And that's something I want to change, you know where we go, we get some stuff in there. But that's that, that right piece. So I want to focus on that. And then I want to focus on our post-processing element on top of that, to get the right kind of texture in the file when we make it and the right kind of colors and you know, just that the right photo. And then I want to try and do a great job in Lightroom or our post-processing stuff to kind of pull that out and make it the most and make it look a little style is a little different, and a little better. Yeah, it'll be cool. I think we've got a pretty distinct style with the things that we've been working on over the years. I want to try and push that visually into just the new directions. 24:55 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys Check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage some good links to other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode at the back end.

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If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today, I wanted to speak to you a little bit about rendering out mp4 video. I know that's probably a pretty exciting topic for everybody. That's what I've been doing recently, I've been trying to kind of put all of that on this workhorse desktop computer that I'm using. And I'm trying to use Well, first I was trying to use Lightroom, right, you are probably familiar with talking about Lightroom for managing photos and sort of working with them and editing them. It also has limited capabilities of working with the video files that come off the DSLR that are just kind of commonplace with modern DSLR cameras. So bringing those videos over there, they're normally some kind of MPEG container format of which I've seen I guess, MK V or chaos is that sort of Chrysler, I don't know, isn't, it might be a different thing. But there's like a hit like MTS or something like that there's a handful of these different little container file extensions that I'm trying to sort out, they're fine, they seem to open to most things, I'm not having a big problem with it. Other than AVC HD, I'm trying to sort those out if I have any of those raw ones around. But I have this library of videos around now, I appreciate having the original files. And if that's important to you, as a media creator, I recommend keeping those source files around at a higher quality. But for me, with a lot of elements of video, especially a lot of projects that are done, but maybe some things that are kind of like an accomplished project, but I want to keep those media elements around, but not necessarily in their whole quality by any means anymore. So I'm trying to go through and render those things out. And not necessarily about a quality thing, but just about an odd format thing like I was just explaining with MK V's and Mt SS and three GPS and mo visa those are quite common, but I'm trying to make the system just a little bit more uniform for the video experience of the videos that I have. I'm trying to render those out. I was trying to use Lightroom. To do this. I was trying to use it in mass to render out and refile names, and all of these video elements so that I don't have any more collisions with these video files. As I'm moving the file names around, you know, image 001 dot mp4 overwrites image 001 dot mp4 created two years later on a different SD card account format. Whatever it is, it's been a problem before I probably lost media because of that error. So to try and correct that I'm trying to come through and render everything out with an additional date name that I was able to add in Lightroom. But Lightroom kept crashing or at least would not render the video that I had trying to get out from the Lightroom catalog that I had the video stored in so it was kinda interesting. I like a lot of problems with that it did a great job with a handful of the sets of videos like the three GP, I think the MTS and mkvs I think it worked through quite well but any of these mo v files and just sits it doesn't necessarily even lag, it's just not rendering frames, it just sits there like it wasn't asked to respond the computer's processors don't kick up at all. It's not like it's trying to render a video but not or I don't know, it's just like pretends like it didn't get asked to do anything at the time. So it's all the struggle of trying to render video so I ended up dumping Lightroom because I was hoping that I could do some automatic file naming and file categorizing with Lightroom and how to do a bulk export of video under the format that I was hoping and kind of have it you know, automate some of that file naming system and export settings and stuff. I ended up switching over to handbrake because I was having such a hard time getting Lightroom to grab onto the video and do anything with it. So I've been having a great experience with the handbrake so far. And there are a lot of tools and more modern systems in handbrake that make the file naming and recompression system quite easy. We can set things as same as the source and use the file name of the source. And that's where he quite well to kind of grab a file, put it in a render queue. With new settings that are pretty automatic, where it's you know, it's kind of like a two or three-click operation to get a new video added to the queue. And so just earlier today, I added 100 dot mo v files to the queue, which I hope are set up correctly, I think there are a couple of mistakes I made in there. We'll see how they render out but I put those in the queue and I'm doing a test of it now. And that stronger computer as opposed to my laptop is burning through those video frames much faster I think it was because I was rendering out about 30 frames a second. So it's almost like real-time rendering. If you were to think of it like you know, 30 frames a second in the video. Well, 30 frames got rendered of that video and just that one second, so it's going through it much faster than I'm used to in the olden days. It's kind of fun to see who knows where it will be 10 years from now. 5:05 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, cool stuff over there. This image was a quick screenshot or a quick capture that we made around the campsite, near Lone Pine, California, and the Alabama hills, and it was a cool campsite. I think we stayed there for about, I don't know, four to six days or so in November and December of 2012 cool time of year to be out there. And we were fortunate I think Easter this year in Nevada, we had that rain shadow so that it was just a lot drier on the east side of California than it was on that coastal side of this year in Nevada is when we were there a few weeks before that, but a cool thing about this campsite if you guys were to bother to look it up. It matches the broom Hilda saw from Django Unchained. If you were to watch that, we found that out I think right after we camped here at the spot, then we'd watched the movie Django just a few months later. And we were like, whoa, wait a second. We had just been to that spot. that exact spot right there right where this picture was taken. I think I think there's a scene where it shows Jamie Foxx sitting over on the rock that is currently the kitchen table in this scene. But yeah, it's kind of interesting. I think the shot was set up a little differently, but it was cool to see and you're like wow, that's right where we used to be interesting when you find out a spot that you were or something else was found. And it seems like a remote kind of campsite like this, but I'm sure over the years 1000s of people have been there. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo 360 degree photo work over the last couple of weeks which has been cool and I've enjoyed it a lot. I liked doing the 360 stuff. I think back in June of 2018 we had done a bunch of podcasts about some of the 360 photography stuff that we were trying to do and some of the video stuff we were doing with the GoPro fusion at the time. And that was all cool and I liked that video a lot this time I was working with a Ricoh Theta zone. And I was going around to a few locations to try and get the photographs. Specifically, I think photographs are a lot in this circumstance, but not so many videos. But yeah, really interested the in the 360 photography stuff that I was able to, edit together and capture during that time. So it was cool. But I went to an area in, Central Oregon, that was pretty cool and went up on like a hillside to do some 360 work. And it's cool out there because you can see the topography of how the Great Basin was formed at the well I guess like during the whole era of the Pleistocene as it was for a long-standing period. Like a lake, it was just a big lake out there. And then as things started changing at the end of the Pleistocene, I think there were huge changes that ended the Great Basin stuff that ended a lot of the megafauna that was in the area. And that kind of changed the topography of the landscape over the last 10,000 years to be something much more of the high desert sagebrush Juniper tree exposed rock landscape that we see today and a lot less of the forested temperate kind of mountain climate that we have through the Cascades and part of Oregon, I'm sure it was always more dry, given the rain shatter the Cascade Mountains there. But I think that for a long period, as according to signs posted on my drives in areas where I go hiking sometimes but you know, like when you go up to someplace and it says, you know, this area so such and such time ago had these animals in it where you see like giant beavers, or you see like camels or giant sloths, I guess they added the area so there are all sorts of stuff that they had, that ended up being wiped out and 100,000 years ago, 60,000 years ago, 9:47 to, what, 1020 10,000 years ago, something like that. There are a lot of changes that happened throughout the Pleistocene, I guess during what they call the quarternary period, a period of glaciation. That the earth has been involved in for the last 100,000 or 200, maybe million years. I'm not sure it's the last couple of 100,000 years we've been going in these cycles of glaciation. So you know, we're in an ice age period. So we go into an ice age like we have ice on the Earth right now. It'll be more ice at a point and then less ice at a point. More is at a point less I said a point, I guess it's been going on for what they say somewhere around like 200,000 years, these 30,000-year periods of glaciation to nonglaciation. where like, I think we're coming, we're like on the far end of the Glacial Maximum now. So we had the, with the Glacial Maximum about like, what, 11,000 12,000 years ago? Or is that right? No, it must have been, like 15 20,000 years ago that we're at the maximum, then it started receding, I suppose. That's when we were able to know. That doesn't make sense. We had like the land bridge, like the Beringia stuff where people got over that was probably 15 to 20,000. sea levels were low or they were like 400 feet, they squared along the coastlines. They came over through the land. So that was all pretty long ago. Well, anyway, at some point, like I was there like I'm gonna figure out Wait, let me remember. Let me think back to 15,000 years ago, where was I? Yeah, I wasn't here. So I don't know what happened. But apparently, there's been some recorded evidence that I learned about, and I think it's like Montverde down in Chile. And that's a location where I think they carbon dated something to 15,000 years old, like human remains human element remains, there's, there's like a few locations here in Oregon, where they I guess have evidence of the Clovis people that sort of around like the 1112 13,000 year mark. And then there's other evidence of things that are I don't know within like it's time it's like anything from like 7500 years to 15,000 years ago seems to all kind of be in flux have a date, because there are not many, not many perfect ways to date that. And if it's a cultural artifact, like, an arrowhead, or a pot shard, or a scraper, there's some indication of how those things are going to be created or how those artifacts are going to be created and how there's are going to remain like Folsom points or Clovis points are pretty distinct from each other but they're not culturally distinct from each other. So it could be like a variation of many different tribes and languages and peoples all well unrelated to each other but related with a similar vein of technology for a few 1000 years of you know, their tool use shape was kind of similar because they're all kind of from a similar descendency but I think when you get like more than 100 miles away your language is separate over like a couple of generations. You just got to speak different languages. But man wild stuff anyway, so I don't remember where we started with this. But I was out in Eastern Oregon, exploring the Great Basin, I went up on a hillside and public land and I was doing some 360 photography work with the Ricoh zeta Oh, Ricoh Theta zone. That's what it is. And yeah, I was capturing some stuff on a hillside really beautiful areas up there where those ridges kind of drop in and out. And so it's cool when you get like up to a higher elevation, you can kind of see the pockets of where these legs and pools of water and kind of sat and rested for what seems like 13:36 I think I was saying something about recording some 360 photographs up on some public land in the high desert, in Lake County in the Great Basin area of Eastern Oregon, a beautiful spot over there. I enjoy it and yeah, it was awesome to use the Ricoh Theta zone to be capturing some images up in that area, it's cool when you're at a higher elevation. And with a 360 camera, you can kind of it provides a little bit of a different perspective, it seems silly to see wider, but when you re when you kind of replay those images, and you're able to sort of look around in the context of what's the left and to the right of you, you're kind of able to put together the context of the landscape a little better, a little faster than you could if you just had a series of individual photographs that had segments of the wider landscape captured in those cool at that higher elevation. You can kind of look down to areas that we had been hiking around earlier in the day through some of the ridges and troughs that would be over in that area. And you can look down you know it's like 500 feet down in elevation to what we thought was kind of the mountain top pass and then pass that as another maybe 1000 foot or a couple of 100-foot drop in elevation as it goes down toward The lake basin area. So all that was pretty cool. And what was also cool about it is just sort of visualizing how populated that area had been in the past, I think, you know, before the Western expansion of the United States and as 1000s of years passed by in this region of land in the northwest, it had been populated in that region specifically been populated by nomadic tribes that had been able to travel and subsist off of the wild game that was there, I think a lot of like antelope and deer, and it looks like bighorn sheep by some of their planning some kind of sheep, but it looks like that from some of their, their pictographs and petroglyphs information that they left then the dynamics of some of those populations of animals have changed in the time. Now given like modern day, I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna see a lot of sheep out there in Lake County, but there's one drawn on a rock out there. So they must have been trying to look for it. There's a lot of them in the southwest as he moved into the I think the Mohawk tribes. For him, that's more of a 3000 to 25 2000. I don't know, it's probably bad. It was 3600 years ago, sort of thing. But, 100 years ago I think it was like Captain jack over there Captain jack's stronghold for the Murdoch Indian Reservation area. That was like in the Indian Wars of the 1850s. So the last to tell them but yeah, there's some information about some of the pilot, the pilot Indians, I think the Northern piute that were in that area of Southern southeastern Oregon, Nevada, then into Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico if I kind of understood right, but I know there are some fluctuations in there. And differences in timing and stuff. But yeah, dollar, is pretty cool stuff and is awesome to get out there. It's, it's cool to get out and kind of walk around in scenarios of some public land, where we slash and access and still get out to try and do some photography stuff, even in this period where you're supposed to stay home and there's a lockdown it was, it was cool to kind of get out and try and do some exploring and some social distance conscious. I mean, that's fine with me, I don't, I don't have to be around a lot of people, it's better to do landscape wildlife photography worked while you're sort of in some type of isolation, I'm sure like a lot of hunters are kind of considering something like that to you know, hunters, fishermen, people like hiking or you know, a lot of those solo activities, it's cool that you know, this kind of this time, sort of is provided a little bit of a reset for probably a lot of people out there to have a bit more time to invest in some of the things that they'd want to, I suppose a lot of folks are probably stuck more in their local area but it's a great time too, to get to invest in some things that seem more important to you. So that's what I've been trying to do. I hope you guys are doing well. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. You can check out more at Billy Newman's photo calm I've been doing a ton of updates over there. The airplane is taking off. Sounds like prop plans are about to fly over my head. It's like that scene in North by Northwest. Cary Grant starts getting run down by that biplane. 18:23 That'd be scary. So that's that in the future. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 18:32 Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage and good links to other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back 18:53 end

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If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 Today I wanted to talk to you about Adobe Premiere. I just yesterday talked about Adobe Final Cut 10.4 and some of the cool 360 editing things you can do with it. I guess Adobe's getting into it pretty, pretty good. And really, with a lot of attrition that's been happening on the apple side. And I think a couple of days ago, I talked about the new MacBook Pros that have come out, that's sort of the only Pro, does it? I don't think a lot of pros are liking some of the stuff that Apple's doing. So to cut to the chase of it, they're moving over to PC stuff. And a lot of that hardware is quite excellent. A lot of those video editing rigs are very capable, outside of like, the macro, what are you gonna do with that? Now? It's, it's not, it's not state of the art at least. And so you know, as fast as the world is moving? It's, I don't know, it's apple's fault to lose it like this. So with a lot of the, with a lot of the, I guess, diminishing effects that came about in Final Cut 10.4 or Final Cut 10.0 when they switched over to I guess what was it? Like the Final Cut Studio system? Do you remember that? And like in 2010, I kind of switched up the final cut x or Final Cut 10. Now we're at 10.4. But when they did that, I think a lot of people were thinking, Oh, well, this is like they made it like iMovie. I don't know if that was true. I used it for a lot of stuff. And I don't know, it's still hard for me to use, I guess. But there's a lot of editors that yes, at that point time decided that for a lot of their professional editing needs, they really couldn't have some tool that was sort of rolling over features like that in a way that wasn't consistent for their needs. So I think at that time, a lot of editing studios tried to switch over to people that were cross-trained in Adobe Premiere. And that's been the editing software that's been in, in professional news, probably pretty directly for like the last decade for a lot of video production needs. So it's kind of interesting, and they've been keeping up with a lot of the changes, I think Adobe has been doing and maybe even a little faster than Final Cut, or some of the other companies like they had 360 editings earlier on, I think they've had, you know better motion graphics and After Effects for a longer amount of time than well, or they're just working at a higher level. And I think it's it's a higher level of proficiency with some of the stuff that they're able to get done. So I've been interested in it. But no, it's interesting to talk about to kind of separate some of the differences. I'm invested in the final cut system. So I'll probably be staying there for just a little rinky-dink YouTube cuts that they make. Who needs Final Cut for that or Adobe Premiere for that matter? But 2:58 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. And then you can look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. 3:21 finished up that camping trip I was doing up there. The mountain Creek was there in the Cascades a couple of days ago. What was that like Wednesday, I think it was like maybe Tuesday, Tuesday night, or Wednesday morning, I think that was the supermoon that was coming up that night. If I remember right. And that was pretty cool. It was cool to see the full moon up there. And they always talk about the Super Moon, which is kind of an I don't know, it's a little bit of a misnomer. But it's cool to see the thing to talk about happening every six months or so. It's just kind of the oscillation of a bit of the eccentricity in the orbit of the moon that makes it I think about 25,000 miles closer than its maximum, and then maybe about 25,000 miles further away. And it's distant maximum. But I think it's only like a little bit of a sliver larger than it normally would be. If you notice though, it's a thing I learned way back and I think that they show it in a scene in Apollo 13. But if you put your hand out and you put your thumb up at all times, you're able to cover the entire Full Moon, just with your thumbnail. It's pretty wild, man. You gotta kinda always like visualize the moon has been this really big thing in the sky. And a lot of the time it's, it's just as big as your thumbnail at arm's reach, which is kind of a trip, but it's kind of it was cool to see the super moon that night. It was bright. It was cool to kind of watch around and kind of look I was illuminating the forest in the trees in the mountains and stuff around me, that was kind of nice to see. The cold that night though, man, I tell you so have a 15-degree sleeping bag. And that's great. 15 degrees is fine. But envisioning degrees is more than adequate for most circumstances that I ended up being in during the summertime. When it was done, I was just not too big of concern about how cold it gets. But when it says 15 degrees, it means you're going to be comfortable down to somewhere around 35 degrees, but anywhere under 30 degrees is a pretty uncomfortable experience, I think it means you're going to stay alive until it's about 15 degrees. So if it were me again, buying something for maybe I don't know, a more heavy three-season camping experience most of the time, probably a lot of the nights out that I do. Even though I like to go at all times a year, it seems like the majority of nights I go out are during the summer months or you know during like pretty fair weather seasons. But if I were going to buy again, which I'm going to try and get like a two or three sleeping bag system going, if I was going to buy again, I'd probably get a zero degree or maybe a negative 15 degree. And I could use the warm because man, what I noticed is even if it was just a little bit down to what it would have been probably maybe 10 or 29 or something like that it was you know, a bit below freezing. Who knows how cold it was, it was only like an elevation of 2500 feet and it was a canyon. I thought it was a clear night, but I thought it would be relatively sheltered. And yeah, it was a lot of ice on my window when I woke up. And it was a cold cold night to sit through too. So So yeah, that 15-degree bag was just holding up out there. But yeah, if I was gonna go again, I think they have like a zero-degree bag. And then down below that, they had like a negative 15. And like maybe like a negative 30-degree bag, negative 30 sounds like a real warm, like down back. So I think mine's a synthetic bag. They talk about this sometimes where there are differences in the thermal insulation qualities of the material that your sleeping bag is made out of. And I think that the for it was an improvement, you know, above what and whatever cotton we were using for a while they were using wool stuff, which was pretty smart that that works well to be an insulating material. And it doesn't. Alright, that works well with moisture and stuff and all the other things we know about. Merino wool is cool. Everybody knows about that kind of stuff but we had like, you know, those terrible big cotton sleeping bags way back. Those arrived and I don't know if they were even that insulating. Then they switched over to those synthetic materials, which are probably all oil-based Does that sound right? Like petroleum-based like plastic products that were made out of synthetics, I think that's how they spin up a lot of those. This 8:05 bladder ledges synthetic types of materials that they're making these nylons out of. So I think that was how a lot of this, this synthetic stuff had been made. But really, I think what they talk about being the superior insulator is down. And that's what I'd hoped to try and find as another zero-degree or negative 15-degree sleeping bag would be a negative 15-degree down bag, which is normally a bit more expensive. You know, when you're looking around at the price points for these different sleeping bags, if you're trying to get into some colder weather camping stuff, where you're gonna find is that those name brand or you know, don't even name brand necessarily, but just a bespoke manufacturer for quality, technical outdoors product is going to be very expensive. And so that's where you get to find out, you know, three 399 for a sleeping bag 299-490-9699 I've seen like a lot of pretty expensive prices out there. I think MIMO makes some bags that are looking pretty cool that I've seen recommended a few times. I've heard of big agness they made 10s most of the time though, right? Acting company, aren't they? Yeah, the stone glacier is one that I keep hearing kind of pop up here and there now for some sense Marmot I think has bags. Alright guys, is you know, a retailer of recreational equipment they're closed right now I don't even know if you get an order from anyone like that, but they have some bags. I think that's where my synthetic bag was from, that I've been using for the last I don't know seven years or so. So that's it's been fine. But I also tested out the sleeping mat I got I got a new Thermarest sleeping mat. No big news. It's pretty exciting. guys stay tuned. It's yeah It's a larger sleeping mat than I had before but it's a coated one with I think it's kind of like ballistic nylon but it's that nylon coating over it so it's not just the rubber mat at the base of it so you can throw it on the ground or the bathrooms semi abrasive materials that it would be outside and it's working great I think it's about one inch thick or so it's about 25 inches wide at the shoulder point and it's long enough to fit my whole body which is probably the one for me so yeah I got a solid camp man I think for the last like three years I've been sleeping on one that goes flat about four hours after you start sleeping so that's kind of nice to swap out I don't know why I put up with it for so long really should do that. Sleep is like one of the best things you can get you know if you can figure out just like a couple easy things to take care of when you're out camping or out in the woods and stuff it's probably sleep I mean that's like the thing that takes in and it's frustrating because when like even this last one I'm talking about didn't sleep very well way too cold part of it you know, no shelter enough stuff that was kind of comfortable but really as it is yeah, it's like I need to I need to figure out a couple other extra things to kind of throw in there but yeah, there's just a couple things you can figure out when you're going camping like how to stay warm or how to be comfortable when you do go or like when you're asleep and it's like one of the most important and most effective things you can do to kind of improve the way that a trip goes because like yeah it can be like it can be brutal the next day if you don't get any sleep the night before which is probably the first half dozen camping trips of the year like you know this first half dozen or so overnight to the year I'm just always kind of groggy and like oh what I have to get up right now which is sort out was Wednesday morning when I woke up I popped up and I think it was probably about 5am or so that I that I got up I think it was just about first light the sun had come up yeah but there's a little bit of light up in the sky and the stars were kind of washed out by the blue sky. So I have to up and the fire was out I think from the night before like I was mentioning how those the sticks had worn out and coals and started burning down even I think by the time I was near the end of the last podcast I hopped out and the back windows were clear there wasn't any frost on it but the front window the windshield was ice over pretty hard I mean it looked like it was you know like coated or water and then froze over solid so it wasn't even just kind of like a fluffy bitter white frost or something that had built up on it through the fog. It just looks like a hard coating of just an ice sheet over the windshield. Great. I don't have an ice scraper of the whiskey I was thinking tonight it's a man who needs an ice scraper I'm taking a sip of coffee 12:58 so yeah, I don't know I grabbed a box. I think it was a piece of cardboard out of the back that I could kind of flex around a bit through that over the windshield tried to run the truck for a bit try to warm it up and took a while to but yeah scraped off some ice scraped off a hole big enough to kind of get started on the drive and then prep to take off but yeah take some photos and stuff around the campsite for a bit first in the morning nice draw in the valley like I was talking about that goes up to that ridge point that you can kind of see off in the distance and I think I could see like the fire from the smoke or the smoke from the fire of the neighboring campers over there. I don't know if I'd mentioned it well Yeah, I did in the last one. They were their kind of doing Brody's out the on the road around sunset. I think I got a little clip of it on video but yeah, it's like four or five of them. And this kind of beater. In the late 90s, four-by-four trucks spin out on dirt roads. So looks fine. I don't know. But they were I think getting the fire going and stuff in the morning too or whatever they had gone from the night before. You can see a plume of it coming up from that area they would have been camping in over by the creek bed downhill. And yeah, it was cool. I took some photos and stuff that morning, walked around kind of cleaned up the camp a little bit but the fire stuff out and jumped in the truck, had that little hole in the ice to see through, and then yeah popped on a podcast and cruised down the road. And so what I was trying to do was take off down to a couple of other spots along the creek while it was still morning and then head down ultimately to the area where the lake started to build up and so it kind of how it works is like it kind of flows down the creek and then there's a dam a point ultimately and then back right behind the dam is a reservoir where that Greek has kind of built up and I guess now is yeah body of water out there. So drove down ways and took some photographs. of the Creek and the morning light and some of the water and stuff coming through a really like that kind of affected the sort of early spring kind of fresh snow melt mountain Creek stuff that just sort of looks really crisp and forested and natural and then it came down a ways further to a bridge that kind of cuts across the span of the creek as it starts to sort of widen out into the reservoir area and it looks like you know a big stretch of calm water out on the edge of the bridge where I think two different groups that were doing some fishing in the morning and yeah seems like people are still out it was a busy area up there is still still definitely pretty fully populated set of people you know even during this lockdown period there's a bunch of people out there hanging out and fishing I think it was two different different groups to maybe they were they were all kind of connected but yeah they were they're out there with a couple lines over the bridge and they were picking up a couple things that thing so I saw a lady that was pulling up and a little a little blue kayak to the ramp on the first day and on her What is that thing you know when you you run it through the gilling you got the fish and stuff anyway she pulled up with like gardens like four or five trout or something on her on her inner guy I know that's where it leave it I guess but she pulled up with four or five trout so I figured the guys these guys were doing a little bit of trout fishing out there. Which sounds fun. It's a nice clear crisp morning and stuff like I was saying so yeah, it sounds like it'd be nice to be out there for a couple of hours doing sufficient, and yeah look like they were up to where they were getting a couple of things. Let's go to a sauna osprey that took off I think over the lake area just at that time and would kind of like pull up at certain spots over the water kind of back flap to hold in the same spot and look underwater and see if there's something I didn't see enough or I didn't see a prime opportunity and then we're going to swoop off and then take off to a different section of the lake, then do it again. So watch that about three or four times and try to take a couple of pictures of the area which are nice I like the photographs that I got that morning it's good to get a nice look at it, you know, a lot of the time that the photographs look a lot better when you just select the right time of day to be somewhere which you know is obvious but just the types of colors and the types of saturation and dynamics that you get in the look of a pretty simple you know, set of trees and water, it just comes off a lot better when it's it's just the right type of light. It's amazing to kind of see what differences it makes when it's a cloudy day or a sunny day or a morning or an evening, or midday. 17:44 It seems like the dynamics of the light change so much that you could get like a different look in the photo, which is always kind of interesting to pay attention to and sort of seeing how that goes what changes about it, and sort of how that affects the photographs that you're making. I mean even now that you know some cool intimidate, it's kind of cool to figure out how it works for you or how it works or what I'm trying to do is how to figure out how it works for my photographs and what I've tried to do which is nice. It was cool going out there and climbing around the creeks and stuff in the morning and taking a cup of photos and water and osprey and going over to the Lake area that's trying to work on similar stuff to what I've done before but kind of that mirror look of that calm water as it spreads across the lake in the morning. And on the reflection of the bright blue, kind of pre-sunlit sky. How is it you know like before the sun is actually up over the horizon, there's not a lot of intensity so it's just kind of a softer blue glow and a lot of ways and then there's still enough illumination that you can see the greens and the trees and sort of the soft calm water in the morning before it gets kind of agitated through the rest of the day? So nice kind of peaceful looks to the photos and sort of the natural stuff that I like to go kind of capture you know ultimately though, there's some nice stuff up there and I was like happy to kind of photograph some of the some of what I was looking for. But I was also frustrated in the area too. I think there was a there's little more choked-off than what I normally like. Like there wasn't as many opportunities as I had hoped for I had to try and utilize the ones that I found there weren't as many opportunities as I had hoped for kind of an opened up wide scene that you could set up a landscape photo and there weren't a lot of elements to work with it was just sort of like some rolling hills off to a Green Hill. So sometimes I'm trying to find some stuff that's a little bit more dynamic and it looks more than that. But it was fun though, even as it is anyway. Though I'm trying to I think maybe like I was mentioning last when I got stuck and turned around but the snow and I didn't want to deal with any of that right now. But in the next weeks If I want to get up to Mount Jefferson or Mount Washington or a couple of these other wilderness areas that have a few kinds of visual landmarks that would be worth taking an observation of. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 21:00 So I was looking around at different options. I liked a lot of the Nikon stuff, but I also noticed I liked the Nikon stuff, I'll leave it at that. I just noticed that sometimes some of the accessory equipment outside of the body that you might buy a bit of the lens are expensive, or they're a little more expensive than maybe some of the commensurate lenses that might be available over in canon. I remember back in college someone was mentioning to me that they were going to switch from Nikon over to canon because the canon was a bigger company. I don't know if this is a reason or not. It was interesting logic though, to kind of think through at the time but that canon was a larger company selling more lenses making more cameras making more equipment. And so they had more resources, more staff, more designers working on cameras, building cameras, and doing research and development to kind of bring that forward. And I think even maybe now that's still perhaps true if you look at some of the technologies in Nikon versus canon like we were just kind of to take a base idea of it though I love Nikon stuff a lot if you were to take like the D five I think that's a 20-megapixel sensor. Whereas if you were to look at the newer Nikon or Canon five D Mark four that's I think like 3136 I don't know if it's out there in the third maybe I think it's a 30-megapixel camera. And I think perhaps the five D Mark three is a 23-megapixel camera. So it was interesting just kind of noticing a couple of those things now I understand that there are benefits to the lower megapixel rating for some of the low light performance that you get a high ISS and I think that's maybe sometimes where Nikon performs well but then there's also Sony who's producing 42-megapixel cameras and they're doing incredible things in low light but also even better stuff with a seven s which I think is the version of the camera that's specifically around some of the higher end video features. And I think it's a 12-megapixel camera that does incredible stuff and low light like almost like you know 100,000 so you can get amazing low light images and low light video. So it's interesting how that kind of sensor technology works. But all that being said it's just interesting that for a long time even way back in history like to the beginning of the digital SLR I think canon was way ahead and what they are producing as far as their sensors go and what they're able to produce like megapixels or in fidelity have an image I think they had a what was the first one I think Nikon did not have a full-frame digital SLR and tell the Nikon d3 came out which was a fantastic camera and I had that one also as a used camera that about later loved the d3 but it was interesting that they yeah like they didn't have a full-frame DSLR camera option until 2007 I think when that came out, whereas, on the Canon side, I think that the EOS one D The one DS is that right? I think it was the DS was the first full frame camera produced by Canon and that was way back and I think that was still like around eight megapixels or maybe 10 megapixels for the mark two and then they had some technology that was just far more advanced for the time 2000 to 2003 2004 than what canon had gone or is before when Nikon it you know what I mean right? So anyway that fast forwards to me in the fall of 2018 I'm looking around for another camera purchased because I was going to be moving I was going to be taking a job where I was I was going to be working every day doing family portrait photography and a lot of like wedding photography stuff to where I needed it. And on the memory card system that would be in the camera was like on the Sony side as I had mentioned before. There were some limitations to it and one of the other limitations was that it only accepted SD cards which right now I'm kind of learning are fine you know you can use an SD card for just about anything but I also liked the opportunity or the option to have a compact flash card or maybe it's a USM USM USD. That's $1 I'm not sure but with the compact flash card system that goes in, I always felt that was like a little bit more professional when you put that in. And I just wanted more memory options so with I think the five D Mark three that I decided to pick up use that had the Compact Flash slot and also had the SD card slot and you could record to NADP video and you could take photographs you could do like high frame rate burst series for photographs and it's just seemed like it was a great workhorse camera that the five D series and I think that's what people have been talking about. Even since like the five D Mark two when they announced the HD video recording features on DSLRs so I think that when even before that, you know it was just it was one of the top-use cameras for wedding photographers and stuff so for me, I was trying to find something that would be like a good workhorse camera where I could always kind of count on it and the battery system and the memory card and the lens arrangement that would be available to me that I could really just be hammering away on frames and then be bringing those in editing them and then kind of delivering them to clients in a pretty fast manner. So I thought that would be something that would help me out and I think I was right I think was a good choice though there are fantastic options like the ACE seven Mark three, or the seven three and then a seven are three. I think both of those have kind of solved a lot of those issues that I've been talking about where they've adjusted the battery system and they've adjusted the just some of the blackout problems that I was talking about before but I was happy to switch over to the Canon side of it. I think also the reason I was talking about two words Yeah, no blackout, and I liked being able to use the through-the-lens viewfinder of the SLR as opposed to the digital SLR or just looking at it on the screen. So I don't know if all those reasons were kind of why I wanted to get back to the DSLR system instead of the interchangeable lens camera system. But it was great so so back I think in September I was looking around a lot I sold the seminar off and then I was trying to hunt around for options for me to get a well-priced canon five D Mark three and then I also bought one from Marina so she had a five D Mark three body and then we could kind of share lenses for two so I wanted to get up and running. And I wanted to talk about like some of the lens stuff that I was interested in too It's interesting kind of switching over to Ken and now just kind of seeing you know what's available and what's available in the US market which for me and you know someone that doesn't want to spend a ton of stuff, getting a pretty high-level professional level set of photography equipment, it's interesting to kind of comb around through the US market and figure out good pieces to use. I think almost every camera system I've ever had it's been something that I've made a purchase of off of the US marketplace in some manner you know, I haven't bought a new film camera that's for sure. And so it was interesting kind of trying to figure that out a little bit and I've always had really good luck with that I hear some bad stories out there but it seems like a lot of photographers take pretty good care of their camera equipment in a way that at least seems quite usable for me so what I ended up with it at some point and I save a ton of money doing it too and I don't have to deal with the heavy depreciation because like by the time I I end up wanting to sell it hasn't moved that much in the marketplace. A lot of the time you know it only ends up being like a few $100 to purchase that camera because when you sell it again you get a lot of that money back and as opposed to well I'll get into that story a second but like when I purchased it that camera was quite new. And it had appreciated a lot and value from the new price the new sticker price from the in the store in the camera store price to what it was when I bought it used so so it was a fantastic deal to kind of pick it up and find like a good one out there. So so yeah back in. Was it back in September I was hunting around in Oregon trying to find a good five D Mark three body so I was trying to debate a little bit I was looking around on eBay for five D Mark threes that would be available. And I was looking around on ke H and those are two locations that I kind of made purchases from before when I was making a purchase online. I like eBay and I sold a bunch of stuff on eBay. I sold myself a seminar on eBay. I sold my d3 when I had made a purchase the d3 I think from K h and I sold that d3 on eBay and I made my money back it was great it worked pretty well. But when I was looking around I didn't find the price point that I wanted for the five D Mark three line I think those are all running around 18 or 1900 bucks for the five D Mark three bodies that are being sold but I'm sure I don't I seem to like the market was a little lower than that at the time and then when I looked on kth it was sort of the same story where once we were in bargain condition you know where they'd been pretty beaten up or probably had been you know, someone's wedding photography camera where it really hammered out 100,000 or 200,000 frames already had a few seasons of weddings over the last couple of years and the person was trying to offload that gear and then you know an upgrade to their five-year mark for their one dx or something like that. So I kind of wanted to stay away from those in a way I'm sure they would have been functioning cameras and the way that they had been reported but there's really no way to like get an observation of the camera and its function in your hand while you have it to see that it's really like as clean or as in good condition as you'd want it to be for something that you're going to spend 18 $100 for when I was buying used cameras it was sub $1,000 purchases so it's like well you know, it's got a couple of scuffs on it or something like that, but they were always quite nice in their physical condition. So what I ended up deciding to do was instead of purchasing on eBay or kth what I decided to do was try and check out the local marketplaces so I went on Craigslist to look at the classified listings that were there in you know, photo and video equipment for sale listing in my area. And I kind of scoured across Oregon to find you know a couple of good pieces so I was trying to look in the Portland area. I was looking over in the bend area I was looking in the Eugene area and I was also looking up into like the Seattle and Tacoma area as well because I thought well you know if I need to then I'll drive up little ways that I might save hundreds of dollars trying to purchase a nice camera system so I thought that might be a good idea. And then in addition to Craigslist, I was also getting into the Facebook marketplace where I was selling a ton of mag my stuff from a house when I was trying to set up this move over here to Maui. So I was looking around at that I was saying well maybe I can check out and see if there's camera equipment that is also listed there too. And that worked out well I was pretty impressed with it. So for the camera bodies, I found two canon five mark three bodies one of them I found over I'm banned for $1,000 flat which is an incredible deal I think I think I got that brand on that one. It had been used I think for just like a single project that someone had I think they did to have a business or they're paid to do it so they made a purchase of a five-day Mark three and then they shot like a series of web instruction like instructional videos for YouTube for a company that had purchased it and then they hadn't used that equipment in a while since then. So they were going to sell that camera off and get some of their money back. So I got the camera for $1,000 even which was fantastic it barely even had like rub marks on it on the base of it you know like when you look at the camera body physically, the rubber was in fantastic shape. And the base plate like where the tripod would go I think was the only area where there's a little bit of a scuff but it was fantastic. It was cool that it worked out so well for me so I made a purchase of that camera for 1000. Then I was looking around and I found another one up in the Portland area that a real estate agent had bought to take photographs of their property and then I think they'd found out that they didn't want a five-day Mark three but they wanted a Sony camera and so they made a purchase of a Sony camera just a few months after that. And then to make up the cost of that purchase they wanted to sell off the Canon five D Mark three that they had and so I saw I got the box too which is interesting. I got the box for the five D Mark three and had the receipt from the camera store that they bought it for it was you know 20 $600 when they bought it maybe 12 months ago or 11 months ago and I looked at the shutter count of it. There are maybe 1900 pictures that have been taken on the camera body when I purchased it it was almost like a brand-new camera. I think it was put 1000 frames on a day at the job that I had so 34:22 yeah, it was I've already broken it in quite a bit more than it had been when I purchased it so it was cool getting such a new camera for such a low price. So saving $1,000 trying to put it put the these this package of equipment together was excellent and I was really happy to do that. And that was one thing I noticed about the Canon US market is there's just and this is sort of back to that thing. It's a bigger company and they're selling more cameras out there. So it was cool that there's just so much used gear out in the market where as opposed to you know if I was looking for a D 100 on the Nikon side or a D four or something like that, it would be pretty hard to find those bodies I guess in that condition or you know in that way and then for that price it seemed like and same goes for like a Canon one dx that I was trying to find that on the US market those were held by professionals or sports photographers and those bodies were really and still very expensive when I was looking around for them but it seemed like there were so many people that were interested in doing wedding photography or doing photography as a hobby that they would kind of lean into the higher price range and pick up a five D Mark three and then find out why maybe I don't want it or maybe I want to switch over to a five D Mark for now. And so they were ditching those and offloading this for way lower prices so it was excellent time to kind of come in pick those cameras up and and kind of start getting set up but the other thing I noticed is that Okay, so now we have the five D bodies now we're going to need lenses to work on these so what I was looking for was the the USM what was it the the 24 to 70 f two eight lenses that were for like the professional full frame cameras and I was fortunate to find those again on the Facebook marketplace I think I found one in the Eugene area and I got a USM 124 to 70 which was a great price and then I also found a USM to 24 to 70 that had been used more I definitely could tell that it had been used more this even though it was a newer version lens that it definitely had I think some more where I and that's that's probably the lens that though still works great still has great optical clarity but it's probably the one that seems the most tired when I'm using it sometimes so it's interesting sometimes but but I'm sure I probably put a ton of work on it to just kind of racking it back and forth trying to get all these different photographs I was trying to shoot so i don't know i lenses don't last forever and they're mechanical pieces but but these are really well built you know these these professional hourglass systems are really sturdy and well built and I was really impressed with how they were working so I had a great time using it and I didn't really seem to run into any problems while I was trying to produce produce photographs with it but I found yeah I found one of them one of the lenses in the Eugene area and then I found another one up in Portland and so I drove up to pick that lens up and then add you know add to five D Mark threes and 224 to 70 f two eight lenses to throw on there to do a bunch of the family portrait stuff and a bunch of the you know kind of lifestyle images that I was trying to do so it was a great starting setup for me to kind of get and then move out from and so I had been working with that for a couple months and I've been trying to kind of expand from that since then. So the stuff that I'm looking for now well so I started looking into like some things for like real estate photography and one of the things that are always required for that stuff is is like a really wide angle lens. So when I was looking around with the company that I was working with they were looking for images between 17 millimeters full frame and 20 millimeters on a full-frame camera and so I went ahead and I purchased the 17 to 40-millimeter f four lenses it was quite inexpensive I mean you know, again coming from like the Nikon so what I thought like wow, that's gonna be more than $1,000 to pick up a lens for it was a low price I think was about $520 to buy a new 17 to 40 millimeter 38:37 the lens that was like that Yeah, the f4 that I was talking about. So I picked that one up to do some of the real estate photography and that amortize pretty quickly to get into it to use that for real estate jobs. It kind of paid for itself just in a couple of jobs alone without the cameras themselves and the 24 to 70 sort of paid for themselves by hammering out a bunch of family portrait sessions with them. So both of those things kind of worked out pretty well but in addition to that what I'm looking for is like the 50-millimeter f one four lenses I was looking at that too and I'm looking at those new because and this is what I'm saying is it's just it seems like Canon lens prices are sort of dropping down a bit maybe there are newer lenses and I know there's you know the there are way higher end lenses but the 50-millimeter f one for kind of lower end lens perhaps is I think 299 which is super cheap I guess that's what I paid for 35-millimeter dx lens on my old camera system, you know on the Nikon stuff so so I was I think what was it like that? The 28-millimeter f two lenses I had for my Sony camera were like 450 bucks when I bought it used right? So it was awesome to find that 50-millimeter f one four for 299. And then in addition to that, for other portrait stuff, if I wanted to do it, I could pick up an eight 85 millimeter f one eight for 299 also, and I was like, wow, these are way more reasonable price ranges than what I thought so it really for not that much, you could probably put together a full range of prime lenses that I would want to use. And I could put together a full range of zoom lenses that I wanted to use that were all kind of higher-end glass, that that would be great for, you know, professional staff, or the lifestyle stuff or the, you know, whatever kind of photography stuff I wanted to expand into. And then on top of that, I was looking at the 40:34 dough, I would love an F to eight, I was looking at the zoom lenses, and one thing I've kind of learned from this job that I was working with is when you're working with compression, and like when you're working like with zoom, and you're using the compression of the lens pass, you know, 70 millimeters like into the 80 millimeters or 100 millimeters or out to 200 f two A is soft. And a lot of times especially if you're taking pictures of a couple of people together and you're not trying to just rack right into to focus in on an eye and even when you're taking a picture a portrait of someone, you have to kind of crank it up to f4 f5 to get a depth of field that's thick enough to get their, their nose, their eyes in their ear in focus in the way that you'd need to. And it seems like well, you know, like, love the super shallow depth of field, but it seems like you want to get the person in focus, so you got to get a few parts of them and focus. Remember taking self-portraits, you know, like I hold the camera out in front of me with the Canon 50 millimeter, one eight, and try and take a picture of Marina and me somewhere and I remember Marina would be just on the plane in front of me, you know because we're trying to stand right next to each other. And maybe I would be in focus. But then Marina, just one or two inches in front of my nose would be completely out of focus, it would look just like a super blurry kind of washed area because the depth of field was so shallow. That's where I was trying to, you know, kind of finally learning like, Oh, yeah, okay, so maybe f1 eight isn't absolutely what you have to have for every photograph that you take or f1 for whatever it might be. So I was kind of finding that part out where Okay, well I'm gonna have to rack this out to like f5 or f8. Anyway, to get a sharp photograph of the thing that I'm trying to get an image of. So I have kind of rounded out that I'm going to be fine for a lot of the landscape photography that I'm interested in doing, I'm going to be fine kind of jumping into lenses that are around that f4 line. So I was looking at the USM 70 to 200 f4 lens that they have. And so I think it's, I think that the two eight, the f2 eight lenses that's 70 to 200 is like around 1500 bucks. But then the f4 is about 600 bucks, I think it's like 599 to pick up a 70 to 200 USM lens. Now it doesn't have the image stabilization on Nikon, they call it vibration reduction is that right? But it doesn't have image stabilization. And I think it is probably lacking some other additional features because I know there are two versions after that, that escalate in price quite a bit. But if you're looking for that older one, it's still available on Amazon for 599, which is a great price. If you want to get a 70 to 200 I think that was cool. And there are a lot of things you could do with it. Again, like I was saying with the compression, if you're going out to 225 millimeters and you're shooting it at four, that's going to give you a nice bokeh in the background. And you're going to get the person in focus if you need to if you're shooting a portrait and if you're shooting some kind of landscape or wildlife scene, you're going to be able to do a lot with that too. You're just gonna have a lot of flexibility in what you're able to do I love fast lenses, I'd like to always push for you to wait or have 1.2 or something like that. But I'm loving the fact that there's an opportunity for me to get a whole range of focal lengths as I'm trying to transition over into new gear for a much much lower price than what I was expecting so I think that's pretty cool I've been pretty happy with this transition over into canon equipment so far. And it's been interesting you know the thing that I'm I'm 44:19 thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo 44:22 podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end

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If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today I wanted to talk to you guys about an Instagram TV post that I made. also kind of asking you guys what you think about Instagram TV. What's it like for you to have put anything up? Is it useful to shoot a vertical video and then edited and posted on HGTV? I see some content. Whilst I don't know producers' providers, what do you call them now, creators? I don't know, I see some YouTube stars trying to put up some things cut down to a vertical video frame and throw it up onto Instagram TV now, which is sort of a separate app. I've downloaded it, I'm trying to check it out. It's kind of interesting. But I guess one of the things that I threw out there, I guess what I'm gonna run down on a few of these little podcast clips is I put together a handful of clips from a 360 video trip that we shot down at sister's rock, Oregon, like when we showed up there, it was cool. But Gosh, we lucked out. I probably talked about it a few times at this point. But we lucked out with a beautiful sunset. And so we waited like right at about the time that the sun was right at that golden hour spot it was coming down to its horizon line to set. Right about then we walked down toward the beach, sort of on this long road that sort of meanders through like this big mountain over to your left-hand side. And then this big, sweeping coast that that kind of curves in and you seem like the shortcut to Washington, but was cool to get to see that in 360 when we shot it and edited it and rendered it out later. But it's also really cool. what I was doing, I guess kind of in at that same time was shooting some clips of what it's like to sort of go through a shoot 360 video. So I threw a few of those together of us doing some stuff on the beach and walking around and getting some shots. And I put that up as one of the clips for the Instagram TV video model. And it was cool, it's kind of been put up, but you can check that up. over on Instagram TV, I have a few more of them coming up too. It'd be cool to put it together. But the main question is, does that make sense at all, you know, like this vertical video being this unnecessary? Do you guys need anything like vertical video, I'm testing it out a little bit because I like to put my hat in and try and a few of the newer pieces of media out. But I'm also kind of skeptical about some of the need for it. I don't know, I guess this is the other thing I've learned about Instagram too, is that it turns out what I like or what I think doesn't end up being that important. Or is that necessary, it seems that so many people have their phones that are holding them in a vertical position and anybody under 20 or 25 or something at this point is going to understand quite clearly what to do with a vertical video and how to interact with that. And it seems like there's so much media and content being consumed being downloaded, that somebody who communicates effectively in a vertical format is going to be able to create an audience create or action, you know, generate something for themselves. So it's kind of interesting, that won't be me, of course, obviously, but it's kind of interesting to see, you know, like how these different things sort of pop up. And then how over time it's going to end up in something important even if it seems like sort of a silly thing people's old as asked wouldn't use 3:29 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there. 3:52 During this time, this tactic called feather sticks, do you guys heard of that it's like a bushcrafting term I hate that word I prefer camping or hunting or something like that. But in the world of bushcrafting which I'm sure you can YouTube, there's this and it's an idea, and a lot of that stuff is great to have generated the skills that you need to run to manage yourself in the outdoors and the thing kind of the thinking behind it is the more that you know about how to work with your environment the less gear you need to carry with you and really the more apt you are to make proper choices in a short period that will help you out so that's helpful. So you're just kinda like having fire building skills or knowing what to do and how to set up camp or how to run a tarp or how to get water all that sort of stuff. Anyway, in this case, you take some of these sticks that I'm talking about some of these drier ones, you take your knife, your sturdy bushcraft knife, but people still like to talk about anything you take around 24 inches of that stick and kind of break them down at 24 inches or so. And then we're supposed to do is take that knife and sort of what would it be like a kind of like peeling a potato or something or like you know if you got to like kind of peel it Carrot, what do you want to do is kind of start at the top. And then you want to peel into it, you kind of cut in with a knife just a little bit and then run a slice of that down to the end of the bar, but you don't, you don't slice off that flake of wood that you've been pulling up, you try and make it pretty thin, too. It's called feather sticks for a reason, right? See, if you try and kind of make it like a thin strip of wood that's kind of pulled up from it. And the wood will just kind of naturally curl up on itself. As you chop on it, it takes a lot of getting used to you kind of have to get the hang of trying to get those feather pieces down, you have to hold it onto the stick itself. So you cut down to the last like two inches or so of the wood and then you leave it and so what happens is I used to cut, you kind of rotate the wood and you cut down to rotate the wood and cut down. And so you get after doing that for a while. It's just a bunch of these real thin flakes of wood that are all gathered up at the top end of this stick and then you have a nice dry piece of kindling, that sort of works down next to it. And so what you do is people a lot of bushcrafting and camping stuff is just doing a lot of preparation and a lot of work that sort of seems like a man should roll lighter or you know, should read some newspapers or something that would have done more. But if you're in bushcraft and yeah it's one of those things you can do if you have nothing, nothing around. But yeah, you make these feather sticks and then the good fire starting material if you get the right wood that's trying if you can kind of run down and get these plumes of these kind of saw or Masada is but these little like plumes of wood flakes and they'll burn up real quick when you get a fire going on them. But what I did for this one, oh the other fire tip. What was the one I heard? Cotton balls and Vaseline. here that's like the fire starter ticket because it's pretty, pretty neutral. You can use the Vaseline for a couple of different things and the cotton balls too but that petroleum jelly that makes up the Vaseline will rock fire and the cotton too. So yeah, you just need to take a cotton swab from the bathroom the Vaseline you put that in like a Ziploc bag and then you pack that into one of the pockets of your backpack and you can get a fire going with a lot of stuff or you can get the base of a fire gun with a lot of stuff like that would work great even with the gun was like a flint Flint rod. 7:21 I can't remember what the other word is for it but those Flint rods that you strike and then you run a spray of sparks on to instead you can do that I always bring a lighter a couple of lighters with me I got one in my pocket right now but those are really easy Firestarter tools where you can like that you got a good flame going for a sustained amount of time running out the petroleum jelly and the cotton and then you can stack smaller twigs and sticks and stuff on it and then run bigger branches on that quickly and that that helps out a lot in my case I didn't know that I had a couple of couple napkins from lunch and I had some Fern that I spotted over here and it had died out so there's these dried out fronds of Fern leaves over I don't know about 50 feet over here under the side of the road. So I went over there with my knife and I cut down a couple handfuls of those I came back over to the fire I laid out a better the smaller sticks at the base and then I stacked in a bunch of the dried Fern is a bad there and then I put some of the strips of paper towel that I had balled up in a section there and then I stacked up kind of a little fork like a little lean to four of some of the smaller sticks and then had some of the bigger sticks are ready to go but lit up the the what was it the paper towel and a couple in like two spots is what I tried to lift paper towel in two spots with the lighter and then real quickly I just kind of held over the ferns was dried ferns and they lit up real fast here so that was a great fire started piece and that cuts you know cuts a big flame really quickly and then I put that over it and then that kind of got the lower ferns sort of burnin in some of the sticks going and then I threw on those smaller twigs over and then that caught and through the bigger sticks on there. So dropped a couple of logs on there. Yeah I was kind of scavenging them from some of the other fairings that I was passing along the way even though I'd gone out what was it a couple I don't know it's probably a month or so ago now and I collected a good bit of firewood up in some of the the areas outside of where I was working at and yeah I'd kind of drive around and if I see like some some downed dried out wood on the road and throw it in the back of the truck and then I brought it home and I cut it up and then I stacked it up and so some of its guys seasoning out now we've got a little fire pit at home that we're kind of we're kind of using it with but I was gonna bring some of that some of the twigs and some of the kindling that I had and then I forgot about it and didn't bring any firewood with me which is fine to know you know it's cool really almost anytime I've gone out camping in the past I've never brought firewood with me even probably at times I should have or you know places that you're not supposed to scavenge firewood or that it's been so used that there's just no firewood in any capacity left to scavenge batch. Where was that Isn't Wyoming yeah I was in Wyoming we were traveling we were camped out at a spot and cabbages go through there we were in September so I'm sure that you know he has been in constant use from you know April until the end right you know it's just been constant use and it's been like that for the last 100 years or how long you know we're not the first but in that in that area out there there just been nothing available to burn so all the all those flammable resources has been collected by other other kindling hunters in the past and it's kind of interesting to see how that goes so we kind of had to be resourceful and we had to kind of figure out how to gather enough stuff but we did pretty well you know, like we result in kind of go to like pine needles and pine cones sometimes those those were pretty well are often pretty dry and will burn well enough they're not going to be a sustaining fire they're not going to really like get up embers go into the degree that you can really cook on an effective way but but you can't cook on it I mean, you can get some stuff going and in some other ways you can get you know enough of a fire gun that you can you can get a lot going so that's that's normally what I would have is you know, you have like one or two good logs that can kind of keep things kicking for the evening but to get that going you need to you need to have some smaller stuff and normally that day you're just trying to find where you show up because you can't be here there's going to be stakes around so you try and gather that stuff up but man, if it's a busy area, that stuff will happen scavenged shoot, but that's not my problem now so I'm I'm loaded up on some firewood and I gotta get better coals go and that I can get this 11:35 stuff set Rockin with 11:43 you can check out more information that Billy Newman's photo comm you can go to Billy Newman's photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 12:22 I'm looking into like hard drives right now I'm trying to find something but I don't know if I really need the collaborative accessibility that is provided by cloud storage and so much I think I need fast, hard drives fast data storage, and stuff. So I can kind of move things around. That seems to be more useful for me than the big cloud. I'm looking at eight terabytes and 10-terabyte Seagate hard drives right now a couple of other brands I was looking at like the G drives and those cooler aluminum metal cases, I was looking at other Lacie drives about Lacy stuff in the past. And but I'm looking for a bigger desktop drive, I have a couple of smaller, portable drives that are great with a laptop when you're moving around. And that's worked functionally for the last couple of years. But I am looking for something that probably what I want is a NASS or some network-attached storage device. I've been interested in those for a long time, they're kind of expensive to get into. It's almost like buying a desktop computer when you load it up with big hard drives, and you have to buy an enclosure and it's a big project, just all as that as it is. So really picking up eight terabytes or 10 terabytes for 200 bucks seems, like it would solve my problem for the time being. But that's what I thought five years ago when I bought a four-terabyte hard drive. And I thought that would solve my problems. And now I have four filled up. Four terabyte hard drives, one, two, those are the four pounds the two. Those are both. So there are four, that's for sure. So yeah, I need to get a bigger, bigger amount of space to kind of do the data management stuff that I have in the background, the tough thing is, is like so you have four terabytes, wow. And so it's like a lot way more than I would have ever thought in the past. But I mean think about 20 years from now. But in the data we're going to be talking about, we're talking about AR files or photogrammetry projects or something, it's going to be insane data. Four terabytes, I got to back that up somewhere, right, so I need a second four terabyte hard drive to have all that duplicated over to so now I have two full four terabyte hard drives, which is kind of the problem that I seem to run into. I'm going to get this eight terabytes hard drive and then I'm gonna need a second one to back it up to so the idea is that it's just gonna be this one big tank drive, that's gonna be the archive area for all the stuff to go and get backed up to. And then we're gonna have the smaller you know, four terabyte hard drives that are maybe a little faster. I've been doing black magic speed tests on them though, and they are not that fast, like 100 megabits a second. I'll get to that in a second. But yeah, try to get the four terabytes I have right now to be more active, like for video projects or for the photo libraries or something like that, maybe I can break it out and have that run a little bit more stable on some of those but the interesting thing the thing I was gonna mention is that these drives are USB three, right? USB three, that's fast. Hey, maybe soon they're gonna be Thunderbolt three or the USB 3.1 USBC connector. That'll be great. That'll be what when is it? 10 or 20 gigabytes a second incredible speeds Wow, that'll be awesome, or USB three what that's five gigabits a second gigabytes a second slippin. Now, slow hard drives are the weakest link in the chain. So you're sort of throttled back to the speed that the drive can write to. So these 7200 RPM drives the spinning disk drives, which used to be kind of state-of-the-art video drives 10 years ago. And that is kind of considered slow, they are slow their data write speeds are somewhere around 100 megabytes a second, which is below half of what was advertised for that even USB two speeds of 250 megabits a second, megabytes a second. Okay, so we're running 100 megabytes a second on a USB three, four terabyte hard drive, it's good. It's cool. It's I think better than the USB two connection. Agnew does. So it's faster than a USB two cable, happy to have USB three. But Wow, that is not the same kind of performance at all. So that's really where you're going to see the performance increase when you go to an SSD hard drive. So let's try to consider that about any like future stuff I was thinking about, like, getting like a pro desktop computer and trying to build out some stuff like I was saying network, storage device or other stuff that I could use when thinking about Okay, so for performance with like a higher end computer, you're going to get slower speeds with that. But you would get really fast speeds if you had an SSD or if you had the right type of enclosure that was built to work with it quickly. So that's kind of been crossing my mind for future-proofing. What I'm up to for the 2020s as we're getting into it. I think though, round, most logically, the answer probably got the reasonably priced eight-terabyte drive now and wait some years into the future that pick up 17:20 some multi-terabyte solid-state drive of the future that can transmit things at faster speeds. I'm sure we'll get there sooner than later. Well, thanks a lot for listening to my kind of ramble about computers that I have installed on my laptop. That's pretty interesting, right? But all of that is in service of the greater goal of trying to get some photo stuff put together, which has been going pretty well I've been going through a bunch of images in the catalog. And I'm trying to get together I think I've been trying to talk about it in so many ways a few times. But I'm trying to get together a couple of sets of portfolios sort of structured into like, let's say, easily landscape, commercial shoots, portrait shoots, wedding shoots, something like that. And so there's kind of a collection of each second have so if people are to look at those photos, so see, oh yeah, there's the there's this and then there's that. So that's kind of the plan which is close to coming together pretty fun. And other than that I'm getting into video stuff I've been editing a lot more in Final Cut, I've got the big monitor up, I've got the weakened toppled out I'm trying to go through and kind of get used to using the pen, it's probably easier to do that in Photoshop or Illustrator or something like that to get used to the pen. But if I don't, that's a cool tool. Also, you get to kind of you know, flow the pen back and forth. Using a tablet, it's a faster way of working than with a mouse in some ways and is sometimes a little more accurate but it is a bit of a learning curve in some ways. So try to tighten it up. It's coming 18:53 thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy noon in a photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the backend.

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If you're looking to discuss photography assignment work, or a podcast interview, please drop me an email. Drop Billy Newman an email here. If you want to book a wedding photography package, or a family portrait session, please visit GoldenHourWedding.com or you can email the Golden Hour Wedding booking manager here. If you want to look at my photography, my current portfolio is here. If you want to purchase stock images by Billy Newman, my current Stock photo library is here. If you want to learn more about the work Billy is doing as an Oregon outdoor travel guide, you can find resources on GoldenHourExperience.com. If you want to listen to the Archeoastronomy research podcast created by Billy Newman, you can listen to the Night Sky Podcast here. If you want to read a free PDF eBook written by Billy Newman about film photography: you can download Working With Film here. Yours free. Want to hear from me more often?Subscribe to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast on Apple Podcasts here. If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About   https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 Another photograph that I'm doing a little voiceover of this image was shot on film, in heart mountain. Now heart mountain is a Yeah, an antelope refuge. That's also a huge mountain in a desolate, arid section of the high desert in Eastern Oregon, southeastern Oregon. And you know, thinking about this a little more, it's interesting about that Eastern Oregon landscape. Because now that we have states and borders, we have this conception that that's where the borders are, right, or that's where the lines of discernment are between one area and the other. And what's interesting to think about it in this section, it stretches out from Eastern Oregon into Idaho, takes up a lot of that North Eastern section of California, east of the Cascades, and then on into Nevada through that northern area. And if you think about it in the past, this used to be the territory, of the Northern Paiute, the Indian tribe that I think occupied a section of this area for a long time. It's very interesting, I'm not sure if it across cross-references to the same tribe, but there are petroglyphs up on Hart mountain near the location where this photograph was taken, which is from the Native American tribes that lived there hundreds of years ago now. So this image was taken right after sunset during blue hour, having one of the bright magenta clouds that passed up and stretched up above the desert landscape above me, I thought it was a cool photograph. And I appreciate these types of passing phenomena. So that's why I put it up 1:49 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. And then you can look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. And I think I just been going through editing a handful of photographs and I want to talk about a few of the ideas that I had around that it was cool I was going through through an archive on a hard drive that I have for a bunch of the images from a lot of the camping that we did during September while we were out this this past year and it was cool working with with the newer Sony cameras like like I've talked about a handful of times on this podcast so far and and working by like traveling around and camping and stuff working on the track and all that so it was really cool but with a lot of these photos a handful of or you know in a waterways they really haven't been processed to to a final outcome yet so one thing that I was working on was trying to go through some of the photographs from imnaha Oregon and Emma How are I going to talk about on here a bit was that area that's east of of Joseph and enterprise Oregon as you get up toward Hell's Canyon, or Yeah, I guess up there like right on the Snake River and the Idaho border. And it's a cool spot it's a really interesting little town and the geography out there changes quite dramatically like right there out next to the Snake River and that next to all those hills and mountains that are over in that area, but it looks like it used to be way more full of water out there just the amount of erosion that he can you can see that seemed like it ran through there to create this giant gorgeous that we see now that's a lot of Earth movement that had happened out there. So it's a cool area out there. But once you get out to him now there are no services, there's no gas, there's no store I think there might be some type of thing if you could call ahead and knew what to call in the head for. But there's a road that cuts out up the m&r River Canyon where the river flows through. And then there's a road that cuts up and it would go out toward Hell's Canyon or a viewpoint at least have at the top of Hell's Canyon as you look down into the Snake River and the Oregon Idaho divide the cool area up there and worth the drive if you can get out there but at a certain point, there's a viewpoint that you're able to kind of walk out to the shows all of the imnaha Canyon and really interesting way just the angle of it. I think everything starts to line up nicely in that way and that's something I've tried to kind of look for us. I'll try to put together some photographs. So that area was cool. You know, it's designed to look beautiful, but I tried to get real low and bring in some of the contexts and texture the grass in this, this dry grassy field that the cats dressed off on a steep slope down the hillside is it went down to the bottom of the ravine or at the bottom of the canyon. You know the M the High River Canyon that's out there but the contours of the land And the distance that kind of all flowed into the same vanishing point as in how river you know sort of worked its way up back toward the horizon but really beautiful area up there and it was cool just sort of focusing the camera and trying to try to frame that up to sort of capture that immense pneus of edge to edge what it was light is sort of feel that the way that just the amount of angle there is to that and so one thing that I was working on with this photograph was an A handful of others from them Nairobi, Kenya was trying to try to work on some more advanced black and white conversions of these photographs. And I know there are different high-contrast filters and stuff for good, black-and-white images. And in a lot of ways, I help a ton of images, especially if they're shot right, or you know, cleanly with good light. Now you know, the files are clean, there's a huge amount you can do with that with things like that. But Gosh, yeah, just trying to like go through and add black and white conversions that are a little bit more specific, a little bit more adjusted to some of these photographs, especially ones that have like structural context to them or a compositional element, that's just defining the landscape by the structure of the land and by the angle of the land, I kind of like to try to mess with that a little bit. So it was a school working on it now like the way that it turned out it kind of pulls some of the yellow colors out of it, which is just almost sometimes distracting. And then the strips adapt to the kind of sharp angles that come in from the top of the frame to the bottom of the frame. These other sharp diagonals are kind of mashed up in parallel with the two so I kind of like that part of the composition elements that come about with when you're you start working on stuff when you kind of work 6:47 or just when you kind of start getting a little bit more trained and stuff and when you're able to sort of things a little bit more easily that starts to come around a bit better. But yeah, what's cool is working tonight on a handful of photographs from them and how ruber came in and try and make some black-and-white conversions of them. 7:07 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 7:47 Yesterday I took off on a drive I went up the Mackenzie River and I'm trying to go up to a few spots and then develop more photographs just from that location. Or you know, try and try and work on some stuff there. And it was good though it was cool to get a couple of minutes to try and work on some longer photographs nothing stellar from that location. But part of what I'm noticing is you need more times in your life when you're up to bat or when you're there when you're at the place when you've added a day of work all that kind of to say the same thing, but when you're participating when you're out and doing it and I'm trying to develop that more where we're it's just oh, I was out taking photos four times today instead of one time, you know, this week or something. So I think it's just your personal ability to cultivate those situations where you get to take photographs, that's almost really what it seems to be to work as a photographer is to cultivate the next time you're going to be able to take photographs and to try and cultivate that in rapid succession so that you compound that and it makes efficiency or efficient use of your time. But I think about that a lot It was cool going up yesterday I was working with the Sony seminar stuff as much as I could and I was trying to work on some long exposure stuff sort of mapping or matching the, like the river and the rocks of the shore or some of the stuff on the far end of the lake that was kind of cool to sort of work with a little bit but I try I'm trying to work on a few of those a little slower tripod shots, let's say but some photographs where you're kind of getting into a situation that's a landscape and you're trying to be just a little bit more patient and try out a couple of different options and then you know to wait for the light to come in a little better. And that's a few more of the techniques in the fine art photography side that I like but I don't get to express or get into as much especially in the product photo side or the event photo side that I end up working in most of the time so it's cool that I've been pretty happy trying to get out and do some photo stuff and it was nice getting out and trying to put some stuff together for myself, but Let's get kind of working some of those ideas out I'm trying to take more photos of myself too, I noticed that as I go back through my library I just completed trying to cut down a lot of the photos over the last like 10 or 15 years or so into a collection and maybe some of the best and some of the best versions of the file itself to it seems almost like a silly idea. But what ends up happening is you end up losing over time the best RAW file that you have that image if you're not careful, right like if you edit the image or you resize the image for you know, that's the version that ends up going on social media a lot of the times this is an image that's smaller than three megabytes. And a lot of the time three megabytes is going to be a downsized compressed JPEG image that I put together. And over time what I've noticed is that a few of these pieces are maybe some of my favorite photographs the variation available that I can find right now that's this JPEG version. So I'm trying to go through and clean that stuff up and it seems like I've done a good bit of the start of that but the next part is produced it's getting out and trying and be in places to make photographs that are new for the year of 2018 I need to be producing the files and then getting that work product out I need to be able to you know, finish it, edit it and publish it in a way that's effective you know, if I'm going to bother to say that I'm a media creator or I'm a photographer or any of that stuff so so it's been good kind of getting out there's the McKenzie river drive there's been a couple of other deals like out to the Deschutes river I'll get into that on a podcast some stuff out on the coast that was cool some stuff that near the tulip farm in Woodburn, all that stuff starts to come together and I have a few ideas for the rest of April two that might involve that. But on the other news, I think I'm dropping Hootsuite, I've been working with Hootsuite for a couple of years. And I don't feel like I'm getting the value out of it that I need. It's costly is a big part of it, it. It's like a monthly bill, it's probably more than Netflix is a month but what I need to do is kind of transition over to what other ideas are out there for scheduling posts on some of these platforms. And I think that's what I'll be able to do in a pretty effective way is try and put a little bit more time into these platforms specifically to schedule out these posts for a business page or for whatever it is, but I think I can do that within Facebook uniquely. And I think I can do that from a few of these other platforms too. And I just don't use enough of the other features associated with Hootsuite to interact with my social demographic that much. I use the platform most of the time to do that. But Hootsuite is 12:39 a mechanism I used to try and publish to multiple places at once and maybe now a couple of years later there are some alternatives or some competitors that offer some of the features that I was looking for when I first got into the Hootsuite pattern and stuff so it was cool to try for a while but really what I noticed overarching Lee is that if they haven't regenerated a lot of their interface. And so a lot of the things that were glitchy and buggy problems years ago when I started using it, they're still the same kind of glitchy buggy problems and really it's you know it's it's the location of the problem is always in the upload module which is really the only thing I use for the service so I just got smart and I decided to quit that and jump ship and go to some other service there's a few there's a free option Hootsuite maybe I'll continue to use that that that services three social media accounts is what it shows there's probably some other limitation to it and I know there's another service called buffer that I've used in the past and I think I might check them out again and see if there's an opportunity to to use that interface to do some buffer stuff here on out but but yeah, if anybody is super curious, that's how I sneak in some of the photo stuff that I try and put up on on social media across the board trying to make it a little easier on myself out of all these photos and I'm trying to organize them and then write captions for him in bulk and then put them up online if I can. But yeah, so it's going okay you know, it's always kind of a process trying to get some of the media stuff together. And really like I was talking about outside of media and YouTube channels and other things like that what I'm trying to focus on in 2018 is photographs, am I making photographs Am I getting to places to make photographs and my wrapped out in these other side responsibilities that aren't going to compound and benefit me when it comes back to my main goal here so I don't want to dilute myself in places where you know, I just can't be my back. There's an amount of diminishing return this seems to happen. So I've kind of thought about that a little bit but, but the need to make content and to make stuff and to produce I mean that's you know, that's what media creation is. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage and some good links to other apps. sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you next time

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If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About   https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Today we're looking at a video or excuse me, a photograph that was taken on film on avatar film. It's one of those Kodak films, there's portrait there's actor, I'm sure there's probably a whole bunch out there like Kodak gold or whatever the cheap stuff that used to get for your, your disposable camera used to be or your little point and shoot back in the 90s. But this was shot on acti I think it was one of the professional-grade films. I have not never known too much about film or film stocks or like the difference between slide film or was it Velvia or porch, or active. But I knew I got into acting because I liked that contrast II just had a crisp look to it and pulled out a lot of blues and a lot of greens that I had trouble getting in some of the other film stocks I was using, like, like I think if you use Fujifilm, you get a lot of all of the tones, that sort of thing. So I liked a lot of the crisp look that I got into color reproduction using this film stock. And this was back in, I think 2014 when reality when we were out at Loma lo like in Central Oregon, or kind of the central cascades of Oregon, maybe sort of north of Crater Lake, but a cool spot up there. And I just kind of like the silver lining of the clouds and the width of the light sort of diffused amongst this photo. It was kind of cool. But I think everything in this role turned out. Pretty interestingly, I think it was from a trip around the token e falls area, which will probably run through a few more photos up. 1:49 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. So 360-degree photo work over the last couple of weeks has been cool. And I enjoyed it a lot. I liked doing the 360 stuff. I think back in June of 2018 we had done a bunch of podcasts about some of the 360 photography stuff that we were trying to do and some of the video stuff we were doing with the GoPro fusion at the time. And that was all cool and I liked that video a lot this time I was working with a Ricoh Theta zone. And I was going around to a few locations to try and get the photographs. Specifically, I think photographs are a lot in this circumstance, but not so many videos. But yeah, really interested in 360 photography, stuff that I was able, to edit together and capture during that time. So that was cool. But I went out to an area in, Central Oregon, that was pretty cool and went up on like a hillside to do some 360 work. And it's cool out there because you can see the topography of how the Great Basin was formed at the well I guess like during the whole era of the Pleistocene as it was for a long-standing period. Like a lake, it was just a big lake out there. And then as things started changing at the end of the Pleistocene, I think there were huge changes that ended the Great Basin stuff that ended a lot of the megafauna that was in the area. And that kind of changed the topography of the landscape over the last 10,000 years to be something much more of the high desert sagebrush Juniper tree exposed rock landscape that we see today and a lot less of the forested temperate kind of mountain climate that we have through the Cascades and three part of Oregon, I'm sure it was always more dry, given the rain, shatter the Cascade Mountains there. But I think for a long period, as according to signs posted on my drives, in areas where I go hiking sometimes but you know, like when you go up to someplace and it says, you know, this area so such and such time ago had these animals in it, where you see like giant beavers, or you see, like camels, or giant sloths, I guess, out of the area, too. There are all sorts of stuff that they had. That ended up being wiped out 100,000 years ago, 60,000 years ago, 210 20 10,000 years ago, or something like that. There are a lot of changes that happened throughout the Pleistocene, I guess, during what they call the quarternary period, a period of glaciations that the Earth has been involved in for the last 100,000 or 200, maybe million years. I'm not sure it's its last couple of 100,000 years we've been going in these cycles of glaciations, or you know, we're in an ice age period. So we go into an ice age like we have ice on the Earth right now. It'll be more ice at a point and then less ice at a point. More ice at a point less ice. So the point, I guess that's been going on for what they say somewhere around like 200,000 years, these 30,000-year periods of glaciation to nonglaciation, where like, I think we're coming, we're like on the far end of the Glacial Maximum now. So we had the, with the Glacial Maximum about like, what, 11,000 12,000 years ago? Or is that right? No, I must have been, like 15 20,000 years ago that we are the maximum, then it started receding. I suppose. That's when we were able to know that does it make sense we had like the land bridge, like the Beringia stuff where people got over that was probably 15 to 20,000. sea levels were low, or they were like, 400 feet, they squared along the coastlines. They came over through the land. So that was a pretty long ago. Why anyway, at some point, like I was there, like I'm gonna figure out Wait, let me remember. Let me think back to 15,000 years ago, where was I? Yeah, I wasn't here. So I don't know what happened. But apparently, there's been some recorded evidence that I was learning about. And I think it's like Montverde down in Chile. And that's a location where I think they carbon dated something to 15,000 years old, like human remains, the human element remains, there's, there's like a few locations here in Oregon, where they I guess, have evidence of the Clovis people that sort of around like the 1112 13,000 year mark. And then there's other evidence of things that are I don't know within like it's time it's like anything from like 7500 years to 15,000 years ago seems to all kind of be in flux have a date, because there's not many, 6:47 not many perfect ways to date that. And if it's a cultural artifact, like, an arrowhead, or a pot shard, or a scraper, there's some indication of how those things are going to be created, or how those artifacts are going to be created and how there's are going to remain like Folsom points or Clovis points are pretty distinct from each other, but they're not culturally distinct from each other. So it could be like a variation of many different tribes and languages and peoples. All well unrelated to each other but related with a similar vein of technology for a few 1000 years of you know, their tool use shape was kind of similar because they're all kind of from a similar descendency. But I think when you get like more than 100 miles away, your language is separate over like a couple of generations, you just got to speak different languages. But man wild stuff anyway. So I don't remember where we started with this. But I was out in Eastern Oregon, exploring the Great Basin, I went up on a hillside and public land and I was doing some 360 photography work with the Ricoh zeta Oh, Ricoh Theta zone. That's what it is. And yeah, I was capturing some stuff on a hillside really beautiful areas up there where those ridges kind of drop in and out. And so it's cool when you get like up to a higher elevation, you can kind of see the pockets of where these lakes and pools of water and kind of sat and rested for what seems like I think I was saying something about recording some 360 photographs up on some public land in the high desert, in the Lake County in Great Basin area of Eastern Oregon, beautiful spot over there. I enjoy it. And yeah, it was awesome to use the Ricoh Theta zone to be capturing some images up in that area, it's cool when you're at a higher elevation. And with a 360 camera, you can kind of it provides a little bit of a different perspective is seems silly to see like wider, but when you re when you kind of replay those images, and you're able to sort of look around in the context of what's the left and to the right of you, you're kind of able to put together the context of the landscape a little better, a little faster than you could if you just had a series of individual photographs that had segments of the wider landscape captured in it. So it's cool at that higher elevation, you can you can kind of look down to areas that we had been hiking around earlier in the day through some of the ridges and troughs that would be over in that area. And you can look down you know, it's like 500 feet down in elevation to what we thought was kind of the mountain top pass and then pass that as another maybe 1000 foot or a couple of 100-foot drop in elevation as it goes down toward the lake basin area. So all that was pretty cool. And what was also cool about it is just sort of visualizing how populated that area had been in the past, I think, you know before the Western expansion of the United States and as 1000s of years passed by, and This region of land and the Northwest that had been populated and that region specifically been populated by nomadic tribes that had been able to travel and subsist off of the wild game that was there, I think a lot of like antelope and deer, and it looks like bighorn sheep by some of their planning some kind of sheep, but it looks like that from some of their, their pictographs and petroglyphs information that they left then the dynamics of some of those populations of animals have changed in the time. Now given like modern day, I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna see a lot of sheep out there in Lake County. But there's one drawn on a rock out there. So they must have been trying to look for it. There's a lot of them in the southwest as he moved into the I think the Mohawk tribes. For him, that's more of a 3000 to 25 2000. I don't know, it's probably bad. It was 3600 years ago, so everything but 100 years ago I think it was like Captain jack over there Captain jack's stronghold for the Murdoch Indian Reservation area. That was like in the Indian Wars of the 1850s. So the last to tell them but yeah, there's some information about some of the pipe, the Piute Indians, I think the Northern piute that were in that area of Southern southeastern Oregon, Nevada, then into Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico if I kind of understood, right, but I know there's some fluctuations in there. And differences in timing and stuff. But yeah, dollar, is pretty cool stuff. 11:35 It was, it was awesome to get out there, it was cool to get out and kind of walk around in some areas of some public land, where we still have some access and still get out to try and do some photography stuff, even in this period where you're supposed to stay home and there's a lockdown it was, it was cool to kind of get out and try to do some exploring and some social distance conscious. I mean, that's fine with me, I don't, I don't have to be around a lot of people, it's better to do landscape wildlife photography work while you're sort of in some type of isolation. I'm sure like a lot of hunters are kind of considering something like that to you know, hunters, fishermen, people like hiking or you know, a lot of those solo activities, it's cool that you know, this kind of this time, sort of is provided a little bit of a reset for probably a lot of people out there to have a bit more time to invest in some of the things that they'd want to, I suppose a lot of folks are probably stuck more in their local area but it's a great time too, to get to invest in some things that seem more important to you. So that's what I've been trying to do. I hope you guys are doing well. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. You can check out more at Billy Newman's photo calm I'll be doing a ton of updates over there. The airplane is taking off. Sounds like prop plans are about to fly over my head. It's like that scene in North by Northwest or Cary Grant starts getting run down by that biplane. That'd be scary. 13:04 So that's that in the future. You can check out more information at Billy Newman's photo comm 13:14 you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support if you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo and I'm happy with the seminar so far I've been looking at trying to pick up a battery grip for it you know I did a wedding this weekend which is great shooting a wedding and those are really fun events to go through and a seven I did a pretty good job in almost every capacity I love the low light of it. The way the sensor works is great and super high quality all of those things fit the mark for what I need, but it was interesting I was noticing that in low life the autofocus for that camera doesn't function in a way that I need it to or I'm missing some stuff that I want and that's where I see the real benefit and in some of the older systems I mean even like Can't I contrast base autofocus systems that were in the Nikon or Canon systems for the last like 15 or 20 years are superior to what I'm seeing in some of the expression of what the early Sony autofocus stuff can do. You know it's like in focus, right you're looking at a frame it's in focus your autofocus point is on the thing. It's a contrast point, there's plenty of light on it. You go to auto focus and then your lens just spins out and it does not for like four seconds just spins out to infinity and to see just blurriness you lose the moment completely it comes kind of back in maybe it finally grabs focus and then you take the picture but you kind of miss everything or you just I don't know like there's a lot of times where you're waiting for the camera to focus who really should just be like pull up to your eye it sees focus hit it grab it click it go I'm having a harder time with that than what I thought I might and I think some of that could be because of the lack of the phase detection autofocus system that like the the newer a seven r two has the a seven to a seven as to a nine or a nine right yeah that's a that's a Sony one and like a lot of the new Canon cameras they have this phase detection system is supposed to be some better multiplexing system of finding autofocus but there used to be systems that worked pretty good like my d3 at 53 autofocus points and they can pull up I think I don't know something like that but you know, plenty autofocus points and they can grab your autofocus point even in pretty low light they could kind of get oh that's at infinity or that's pretty close to right next to me so I'll stay there so it's interesting kind of learning how that behaves. But overall the photos from the wedding came out really well a lot of this stuff worked out very nicely I've been really happy with it but another thing that I noticed is with running was running a camera as a device like more like an iPad or like more like your phone you know where it's got it's got some screen on a lot of the time it's got processing stuff going on it's moving gigabytes and gigabytes of data to a card it's just drawing from the battery almost constantly I mean like during a wedding I guess to kind of think of power consumption like this I wrote 48 gigabytes of data to SD cards and so that's going to take some amount of battery energy you know stored energy to write all that data to a card and so in that capacity I kind of do get that it would take a good bit of power to write that much information down to capture it and then write that much information if you think about everything that has to do so in that way and then run a screen and you know run the processing and run it visually and all that so I kind of forgive it and it capacity but what I noticed though is that I really did go through a couple batteries shooting and just sort of a regular fashion at this wedding for for most of the day is like a full day shooting but it really was burning through those batteries pretty quickly like you look at it like oh Whoa, I just I just use like 10% in a pretty short amount of time. And so with that, I was kind of thinking and as it's been the plan for a long time for just I don't know the kind of like a best use case for professionalism what I want to do is get the battery grip that goes in accompaniment with the seminar and the battery grip I think it's it's you know it's like a Sony piece that fits yeah I haven't seen a battery grip before but you know the one where you can throw the two camera batteries into the battery grip you can get an extended amount of life from your camera that way and you get like the portraits or what is it like the vertical shutter release? You know so you can flip the camera up and shoot in portrait mode and try yeah like the size of it the look of it, it'll be an awesome kind of compact professional 18:14 What is it not SLR I keep wanting to say professional SLR but it's an Interland interchangeable lens camera that's rolling right off my tongue isn't it so yeah, it's gonna be interesting I want to go for the battery grip though and I think that could kind of solve some of the problems that I'm having with battery usage issues of the camera kind of coming up dad after two or three hours or whatever it is? So I don't know I've heard plenty of other people about wedding photography kind of complain or grass a little bit about some of the features that are associated or some of the things that make the workflow of a wedding work of a wedding shoot go by a little bit more difficulty with a featured camera like the seminar, I've heard of people that are really into it, too. So you know, it seems like a couple of different things. But low light autofocus is an issue on that camera, I can tell that some stuff doesn't do now. So with that, and with the concept of like what I like to shoot or you know, like, kind of still moving things or landscapes, low light firearm stuff, if I try and get into that more, I wouldn't run into that same kind of problem with as much repetition because you know, you're not shooting a high volume of frames, you're not shooting an event based situation. So it's kind of a different sort of scenario and you don't seem to you're you're wanting to manually focus and take time and take multiple frames of the same thing. And in some of those, some of those more set up Fine Art situations or landscape situations like you're trying to take your time and those squares in with event and wedding photography, that kind of process. It's just it's really fast. You're trying to move different moving elements into different places and get photographs of You're just doing a lot all at one time over a short amount of length of the amount of time that the, you know the event. So not enough is all right. I did great and had a great time at the wedding. How about you are, you know, savage people out of it your food, got a bunch of great photos, brought them home started processing them. That's a really interesting part of me. I've gone through like a big batch of photos and I've gotten kind of used to that over time of getting through a big batch of photos, but it is always sort of overwhelming when you're like wow, that's a lot. That's like a whole big data project I got to go through now again, you don't realize how much it takes to get through a bunch of stuff when you finish it. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end. 21:08 Thank you

If you're looking to discuss photography assignment work, or a podcast interview, please drop me an email. Drop Billy Newman an email here. If you want to book a wedding photography package, or a family portrait session, please visit GoldenHourWedding.com or you can email the Golden Hour Wedding booking manager here. If you want to look at my photography, my current portfolio is here. If you want to purchase stock images by Billy Newman, my current Stock photo library is here. If you want to learn more about the work Billy is doing as an Oregon outdoor travel guide, you can find resources on GoldenHourExperience.com. If you want to listen to the Archeoastronomy research podcast created by Billy Newman, you can listen to the Night Sky Podcast here. If you want to read a free PDF eBook written by Billy Newman about film photography: you can download Working With Film here. Yours free. Want to hear from me more often?Subscribe to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast on Apple Podcasts here. If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/

If you're looking to discuss photography assignment work, or a podcast interview, please drop me an email. Drop Billy Newman an email here. If you want to book a wedding photography package, or a family portrait session, please visit GoldenHourWedding.com or you can email the Golden Hour Wedding booking manager here. If you want to look at my photography, my current portfolio is here. If you want to purchase stock images by Billy Newman, my current Stock photo library is here. If you want to learn more about the work Billy is doing as an Oregon outdoor travel guide, you can find resources on GoldenHourExperience.com. If you want to listen to the Archeoastronomy research podcast created by Billy Newman, you can listen to the Night Sky Podcast here. If you want to read a free PDF eBook written by Billy Newman about film photography: you can download Working With Film here. Yours free. Want to hear from me more often?Subscribe to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast on Apple Podcasts here. If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/

If you're looking to discuss photography assignment work, or a podcast interview, please drop me an email. Drop Billy Newman an email here. If you want to book a wedding photography package, or a family portrait session, please visit GoldenHourWedding.com or you can email the Golden Hour Wedding booking manager here. If you want to look at my photography, my current portfolio is here. If you want to purchase stock images by Billy Newman, my current Stock photo library is here. If you want to learn more about the work Billy is doing as an Oregon outdoor travel guide, you can find resources on GoldenHourExperience.com. If you want to listen to the Archeoastronomy research podcast created by Billy Newman, you can listen to the Night Sky Podcast here. If you want to read a free PDF eBook written by Billy Newman about film photography: you can download Working With Film here. Yours free. Want to hear from me more often?Subscribe to the Billy Newman Photo Podcast on Apple Podcasts here. If you get value out of the photography content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About   https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. And today we're looking at a photograph that I wanted to introduce you to add to my portfolio from the Steen's looking up to the Steen's from the Alvord Desert It was I think for about a week or so that we camped in the Alvord on the old lake basin with the playa that's there now is a really beautiful spot and it's very cool. And it's one of my favorite spots in Oregon. And what I liked about this photograph is this is right before the sun rose, where we were camped I think there was so much in the shade as you can kind of tell by the ground there. But what was neat is as you look up the to the eastern wall there that that peak of the steam is rising 1000s of feet higher than where we are in the Alvord. And so the sun shines on that earlier, which was cool to see the dawn light hit the kind of intricate shape of the mountain to the scenes for a few minutes before it rose right where we were around our camp, I just thought was a cool moment. And it's a really beautiful spot to be this was photographed on film with a wide-angle lens and like a Nikon. And it was a great time and I love being up there in Alvord's cool spot I'll probably always talk well a bit, but amazing to see how the landscape has changed just in the way it used to be wet or used to be a lake. And that's just so dry out there. It's amazing how things could change. That's a really interesting way to see it. 1:52 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. If like I say I like the October period, you know it's kind of a cool outdoor month for stuff and that's kind of what I'm going to talk about too is kind of layering up stuff for October I've been trying to kind of build up the layers of clothes and layers of like shelter stuff that I have for some of the outdoor travel stuff that I go out and do and I do it on a budget and I don't have much stuff and like other people have a lot more experience of like just getting to try all these different pieces and see like the benefits or the kind of way out the pluses and minuses are different pieces. And so I'm sure it's probably the case that like the best gear is always the best gear. It's kind of interesting to sort of go through those checklists or you know, like kind of in your mind like seeing like what like how's this work or what's better for me for this thing or not. So I've been pretty happy to always have or for the last couple years to have like a vortex range outlay and for a lot of outdoor stuff that I do in Oregon, later into the year that's been like a real lifesaver for having just like a hard waterproof shell that I can like the trust that has like a good hold on it that can keep me dry for most of the day. That along with I guess kinda working inward like the puffy jacket makes a huge difference. And so I use a puffy jacket all the time. There are a few different sizes though and you sort of have to like look at the down-fill layer to see what's going to be best for you and like the climate that you're going out to. That is kind of weird, it goes back and forth through me a little bit. So like out here in Oregon, where I am like west of the Cascades it's sort of a mild climate a lot of the year and so I'm able to I think you're kind of dealing with like above freezing temperatures. Most hours and on most days for the year I think like you know there's some sections of the year where you get some heavy freezes but outside of those storm times it's like pretty mild weather a lot of the time and if I'm going camping or doing something outdoors in the winter I well there are a couple of different types I definitely use it but really for a lot of like the three season work I do I use a light puffy jacket either because North Face thermal thermoball I think it's like a polyester based one. It's not a downfield, puffy jacket but I've used that for maybe six years now and I appreciate you having that. I think it's been great. That's probably one of my most used insulating layers when I'm going out and I mean works great, really all four seasons with the kind of compared and these mild weather circumstances like I am here in Oregon like that paired with that Shell has been enough for me to go out and in almost every kind of weather circumstances I've been in when I've gone out and been working or like when I was working outside a lot in the rain and trying to be si Like most days through the fall and winter, it was really fine to do that with a strong or like a good Gortex shell that keeps you dry all the way and puffy, thermo insulating layer that keeps you warm. So it was pretty cool but kind of comparing that and I have like this Patagonia jacket that I think has a heavier down fill rating and that has a lot of insulation to it, which is cool, warm jackets are great. And I take that out kind of deeper into the winter. But what I noticed though, is that for a lot of circumstances, like I say three season work and while you're working or kind of like physically kind of exerting yourself I've noticed like if it's not below freezing that is too warm of a jacket to wear. And so you kind of get to pick a little bit of like where your, your environmental thresholds are like what kind of environment you spend a lot of time and is it going to be above freezing temperatures or below freezing temperatures? Or is it gonna be hot weather temperatures, like where you're working, you know, your coldest temperatures might be 50, but you're going up toward like the 80s and 90s pretty regularly? And that's kind of a different environment to work into. So I've been kind of trying to keep an eye on that but as we're kind of dropping into October the outfitting stuff that I'm doing is sort of away from the heat gear stuff that I would have been using where I'm in like lighter synthetic shorts and trying to use like lighter layers and stuff like in the winter you kind of get to layer up and stuff we're just got some kind of fun sweater weather right 6:31 what I picked up last year and I'm kind of excited to put some more use into it was a wool baselayer so I got a great wool t-shirt and I kind of appreciate trying to cut out some of the cotton material that I'm using when I'm going out and doing some more outdoor stuff and I guess it's because back in the day cotton was a great revolution right you know, it was a more breathable fabric and it would dry faster than other fabrics that they had available to them I guess is part of what was cool about it. But as I sort of understand now it's one of the riskier types of fabric that you can wear as a base layer when you're out in the woods for a couple of days or when you're out camping or you know the talking TV shows about when you're in a survival situation. Not that but yeah, when you're out camping or if you were gonna go hunting or you're gonna go on a couple of day photo trip in the woods, you're just going to be living out of your truck and stuff, it kind of it ends up being a little difficult to use a lot of cotton pieces especially if you're going to get wet or if it's cold and you don't want to get wet but you do get wet and that's a bummer because the cotton stuff just kind of stays wet and it gets cold when it gets wet. And a couple of those things just sort of lead to it being a little bit frustrating and I guess that's where some of the survival complications of happy with people who are out in okay conditions they get hit with cold rain or wet snow and they're in like an outer let you know their insulating layers but they're like a cotton coating. Or like I guess tough warm-insulated Carhartt jackets on hunting in that they got into some wet snow on the second morning. The car hard wet pants got or the pants that were insulated got wet from the tall grass and brush that they walk through and then the person became hypothermic because of their exposure to the cold that soaked through their pants that got them very cold and I think they had to like ditch the band's get into their sleeping bag it was synthetic and then they try to like to warm them up with a hot water bottle in a sleeping bag or something like that out of the Jetboil but like it ended the trip I think they like they can't continue out of that sort of stuff so it's kind of interesting I like that kind of thing can go and people have probably heard anecdotes like that similarly in the past I'd hear like someone else talking about like a warm weather thing where I think they're going out on like a 42-day canoe trip Can you imagine that like going through some big river system and Labrador up in Canada? Wow, fun times popping out in Hudson Bay or something who knows? But they would go up there and they would talk about like all like the specific limitations on the type of fabrics that they would select to use because like if they got wet in the river, or I think it was like cold weather or who knows what kind of weather you're gonna get sort of circumstance where you go between hot and cold and Canada kayaking or canoeing down 1100 miles or something like that just big long trips like that. And they would kind of be really specific about how like they won't even have cotton boxers or cotton underwear because it'll be the thing that ends up being a problem for other people or another person. I think kind of there are a lot of great ways to sort of work through this next problem, but I think someone argued that they did have cotton on them so that they could use it as a fire starter. If they needed a fire starter. I said Just to just bring a Firestarter or some other material like that I think it would probably get you by a little better than your cotton underwear. The best Firestarter that I've used and heard about was 10:18 well, I mean yeah like a stove or whatever but if you're trying to light a fire in the winter having a plastic bag with Vaseline-dipped cotton swabs was like a pretty inert material. Just like having a backpack that doesn't smell like kerosene or something. And it has multiple uses you can use it cosmetically for everything's our best, if your lips chap, I hate when it gets dry and cold and you go oh man, my pores can't handle it. They were in a different environment. 5000 feet a difference in elevation a day ago, too much change and too much seasonal change. Now you get like, I don't know just rough spots or dry spots or something you use the Vaseline you get the cotton swabs for all sorts of different things, but they're fantastic. If you light that up. It's a great little flame ball and you can use that with a stack of your other dry materials to get a fire going. Even in pretty wet conditions especially if you're kind of keeping your Firestarter material protected. And some little party backpacks give it a try and stuff that works out pretty well. And I think it works better than your underwear on a rafting trip. So but yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah, people, people try to not use that people try to like drop their leather belts. Like they won't take a leather belt out into the woods either. Like I wouldn't like a sturdy belt. Like what you see people like big leather boots or whatever it's not because it gets washed, and waterlogged. But I guess because it's maybe a weight thing. I think that's what the idea was for. Maybe they're like going backpacking and using a piece of nylon webbing as a belt at that time. or other stuff we're like, I don't know just little tricks and things of like how you kind of hide certain materials and other materials and stuff. But it's weird how it goes. So I guess yeah, cotton stuff is sort of a go. They talk about using wool a lot as sort of like a preferred material to make it out of or down here like down stuff is kind of a preferred material. And then I also kind of hear similarly, sided, bad things about sort of the petroleum develop products that you get from polyesters or nylons, or I guess like the polyester insulating foams, you get like those thermo ball insulating foam bits that would be in the pouches of another polyester material that makes up like the puffy jacket that I wear. For the Patagonia one that's a downfield, puffy jacket. You have little goose feathers poking, poking out of it all the time, too. Yeah, I feel like you feel around the right way a little goose feather I'll punch out the side and pull it out a little feather right there a little down feather, which is kind of trippy. But those I guess are like a better insulating system. Then like the synthetic kind of oil-based stuff. I guess the same goes for like sleeping bags too. If you want to get into like a sleeping bag to keep you warm. There's something like the 15-degree bags that are well, I don't know, I think it has a couple of other features too. I guess it's like light and it stretches down well. And if you get it wet, you can get a drag and well I guess it depends on like certain qualities down sometimes that kind of get I think is a little tricky. But the wall I guess you can get, you can have to get wet, you'll stay warm, and you can get it dry faster. And I think that's sort of the benefit of the wall on the animal that gets wet too. You know, like if you think about sheep getting rained on all the time, I guess it's sort of part of the fibers that it doesn't attract a lot of odor because it has to be on an animal all the time. And I guess it does well to not have to, like make you cold when it gets wet. I guess that's a big part of it. So a lot of the merino wool fabrics that have come out, or the merino wool blends that are with some little bit of spandex or some other kind of natural fiber product that they try and put in helps to kind of be a little bit more durable when they have those little blends. But mostly you want a pretty strong merino wool fabric. And that's pretty cool if you're getting sort of like a base layer, or something like that it's a little bit more tuned for the outdoors like wool sweaters or something that you can find but that's not quite their cool old white shirts, you know, like an old old Pendleton shirt or an old Filson shirt that's like a loggers kind of wool button that would go under like a canvas jacket. I kind of think is cool but that's sort of a different look. And it used to be the technical gear layering and probably still you'd see if you get like, I don't know like a horse guide like a guided trip with a horse or a mule or something like that. That's the pack and a bunch of stuff. They probably still use gear that's sort of similar to that. Without the kind of like the technical synthetic gear that you try and find it like Rei hiking places or something or wherever whatever else similarly branded but yeah it's cool trying to do some wool Merino underlayers trying to work with those puffy jackets when they can 15:19 try to work with lavish a soft shell that gets a lot less useful than it used to be. I used to try new soft shells all the time but I just kind of go with the wool, the wool base layer, The North Face kind of wore you know like a warmer temperature-rated puffy jacket and then have the GoreTex layer over that picked up a hat this year. That's pretty cool that boots had a couple of different sets of boots for the October stuff before it gets really heavy in the season before it gets like real wet or rainy. Now while I'm kind of doing some of this lighter outdoor stuff I have like a pair of heavy leather boots that are super cool for some of that deeper hiking stuff that you get into especially after it's wet and rainy and stuff but really for a lot of the light season stuff and sort of summer spring stuff. I have these Nike s FB boots it's like that military dude I picked them up in brown like a desert tan color. And then I also picked up a similar pair that under armor makes and so they're kind of like a lighter, more athletic shoe from the base but they have like kind of tall neck that goes up to like your mid-upper ankle there. And so it's not like a real table or like it's not like galoshes they're not waterproof they're kind of vent on the sides and they dry out they're kind of like a synthetic material that dries out pretty quick when you do get it wet but it also has like a good bit of tread and you can get wet get them dry and wet. I think they're kind of made for an okay dry environment that's sort of where I use most of the time you know hiking around for any of this kind of lighter duty for us that was nice because they're light boots like with those other heavy leather ones like just the soles of the boots seem like they pound each you know you kind of like feel it the first couple of days you getting back into the use of them during the season where you're like man my feet are like four pounds heavier it seems like each just kind of like walking with a weight on it. So it's nice to have one of the newer sorts of higher tech boots that don't have the same kind of ankle support as a thicker leather boot does or they don't have the same kind of heel support. I like to talk about like those you know thick like a two-inch heel or something that like one of those whites boots has or if you get like Red Wings they have like a real deep thick heel on it that you can use to kind of stomp in and cut in on some hiking stuff and these Yeah, it's just kind of like a good sort of smooth walking boot and you get some ankle support from that that tall neck but it's sort of fabric so that it seems like it you're just it's a light boot and seems like you're ready to run and you can do like an athletic maneuver in these pretty well and it doesn't seem like the boots gonna be too heavy to slow you down not right for every circumstance like if I'm going in a deeper area it's cool it's nice to have like the kind of protection of a steel toed leather boot but like the normal s sfbs I think are not a steel toe I think I think these Under Armour ones though are there are steel toe versions that are out there. But that does seem to I've kind of run into a few circumstances where for some of the more woodsy stuff it seems like having the steel toe has helped a lot to keep my feet protected and stuff and if you hate gonna lie you gotta watch out for blisters and stuff too. One of the big things I've noticed to help that is like really breaking in your shoes with three weeks or more but three weeks of like pretty near full-time use to start getting them broken in or to get kind of the feel the break the crease the kind of the fabric kind of working together in the way that it's going to fit around your body and stuff but yeah, it seems like it takes about three weeks to sort of get those issues broken into a spot that that ends up being uncomfortable for longer trips and longer where I had like a pair of chocobos then this jacket was they were great you know that you don't wear socks you don't like buffer it with wool socks or something but I remember I think working with those for like three weeks or so at first your feet, man, they will rub raw 19:25 Yeah. Yeah, they'll you'll get some hot spots with the webbing on those chocolates. It's like this really kind of tough webbing but after like three weeks or so like after you kind of wear your foot into it so that it's kind of strong enough to deal with it. And you also start breaking in the rubber of the boot or the rubber of that foot for the shoe. You're your foot. But once you get that all kind of broken and I was able to hike for miles and miles and have no rub problems at all. I think I did. I think I did the whole hiking trip up to the summit. The paintbrush divide and the cascade Can you know like the Teton's chip I talked about some times But yeah, I did that whole hiking trip of the Tetons in early, mid-late September, probably right around now. But I did that trip in the Tetons, with just those, those black shakos that I had had like kind of that boot tread bottom and I did great through that whole chip I did like a 42-mile trip down the lower road that was like a hiking backpacking trip so you have a background backpack on you got these little river shoes on and you're hiking away on the trail and yeah, a lot of the times if you're not really in shape for it man, those will just rip your feet up pretty badly and I've seen it affect people's trips before you know like where their shoes just like really start to bite in on them. And it happens fast. As soon as you get like a hotspot or something it can be just a quarter mile or another mile and then like that, that problem has been exacerbated a lot. So as soon as like gets bad boom man gets bad fat or it starts to degrade fast and then once it's gone it's gone on for a while, you know so it's bad and it can cause some mobility problems when you're out there. So I think kind of to kind of deal with some of that stuff. We're kind of breaking them in earliest School, which is what I've been trying to do with some of my shoes but yeah, trying to get outfitted for this stuff in October it's been kind of fun trying to work out the layers and stuff. You can check out more information that Billy Newman's photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 22:00 also interested in as I've spoken about before on this podcast I have an affinity for taking photographs on film. And I want to get back into that in a way because right now I don't have a film camera with me, I still have the Nikon en ad floating around. Though I'm short a lens or you know that's what I'm saying is like I've kind of made it an investment now into this whole range of focal lengths that have been quite nice pieces of glass over on the Canon side now. And so I'd like an opportunity to be able to take those photographs on film with that range of glass that I now have available to me. So what I'm looking at trying to do is, is trying to pick up one of these older now but one of these older but one of the last runs of film cameras that canon had put out and so I was looking around and trying to do some research for that. When I talked to you guys before about it. In the podcast, I was mentioning that I picked up a Nikon F for a camera that was the fully manual camera or you know like no I don't it wasn't for me anyway, I think it was autofocus and I had a whole color matrix It was one of the first cameras have that color matrix auto system in it where you could kind of like set it up. But nav has a lot of those same features what I'm trying to do to get to the point is I'm looking at the EOS line of film cameras that canon produced in the 1990s and the 2000s. And there's a lot of opportunities there where you can pick up a very nice camera body that you know shoot film, and that would kind of accompany the five D Mark three and all the Canon lenses that I have now. So I was looking at the EOS one n which I think is the camera that can come out in 1994 it looks quite a bit like a five-D body shape but it's not like that. It was it's not the oversize body but it looks you know just kinda like that camera SLR body style. And as a bunch of the features on the back, I think has that roller wheel that canon users have gotten accustomed to it probably was one of the first cameras to introduce that big roller wheel to control your F stop, and then the other roller on the front to control your aperture. So it was kind of it's interesting how it's laid out. But it feels like it looks almost the same way. So I'm looking around at those that came out in 1994. And then in the year 2000. They had come out with the EOS one DC one n before. What was it? I think I wrote it down over here. I can't remember what it was. There was the one and maybe the one h sunray. What would it have been? Let's look here is the one v that's I think the one I'm looking for. Yeah, the one V is that the film camera that canon produced in the year 2000, and probably up through like 2006 or 2007 or 2008 there's probably even new versions of that body that are still around if you notice those hardcore film users out there, so I'm looking around at some of those on the US market, I think they're like three, four, maybe 500 bucks if it's kind of on the higher end of expense but but I'm looking at some of those and it seems like it'd be kind of an interesting purchase to pick one of those up, then it could be shooting you know, film images like I have had an interest in doing with a professional body that kind of matched a lot of the same layout and workflow that that the five D Mark three that I'm using has, so I'm pretty interested in that and then I can use all this L class that I've been making a purchase of two so I have the super wide angle, or I don't know is it super wide, I think it's just a wide angle zoom for that 17 to 40 millimeter f4 I've got the 24 to 72 a i would have the 70 to 200 USM f4 and then I would have a couple prime lenses on top of that so it's like a pretty full collection of glass that I could use to make a whole bunch of different types of art or you know, like different different photographs different pieces that I'd be interested in trying to produce. And you know, like a lot of the film stuff I was I was building like all the stuff that was on that film book that I put together that was almost all done with a Nikon 50 millimeter f1 A and maybe like a couple of manual focus lenses that I should not have been using actually kind of knowing better now. The optics of those we're always kind of thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end

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Drop Billy Newman an email here. If you want to look at my photography, my current portfolio is here. If you want to read a free PDF eBook written by Billy Newman about film photography: you can download Working With Film here. If you get value out of the content I produce, consider making a sustaining value for value financial contribution, Visit the Support Page here. You can find my latest photo books all on Amazon here. Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About   https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 This was a photo during the winter snowstorms that we had here in the Willamette Valley. And I think we did a walk over to campus after the storm had passed. That's kind of one of the nice things is often one, at least as it is on the West Coast over here once we have a snow pass, or a snow storm Passover, which is rare, really, it seems, seems like that afternoon or that next day, it clears off the storm passes and there's a there's a lot of clear sky after it, which is great often because it's tough to photograph snow on trees. When the sky is white, there's not enough contrast, there's not enough light to really break apart the colors that we're going to be photographing. And so I like that a lot. In this photo of an evergreen tree that's coated and draped with a lot of snow, a lot of fresh powder that had fallen the night before, surrounded by a blue sky with a few white puffy clouds in it. But it was a cool photo to to try and take we were over I think in one of the forested areas doing a doing a walk, or I guess like a hike right? And had the camera with me did a bunch of photos from this section is really cool spot. And I guess it's one of those things where it seems like the Willamette Valley only gets snow like this, like once every two or three years. So it was cool to, you know, have the winter storm come through and enjoy it while we were there. Thanks for listening. You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon, I think you look at Billy Numan under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. But I was gonna talk about that a little bit, I thought it'd be kind of cool to talk about at least some of the stuff that I know about some of this stuff sort of around hunting stuff, I don't I guess I don't really get into a ton of hunting stuff. But But I was trying to think a little bit about some notes that I had about finding and scouting out dispersed hunting campsites or dispersed campsites that are that are away from parks away from state parks and, and sort of those, those bigger areas that are just kind of wide out open that you can camp in. And I've been able to find like a number of them over the years, it's really cool get to kind of find those locations that you kind of keep a memory of their spot and then go back to year over year. And these are spots that are cool, because they don't offer any facilities or any services. So there's no no water there, you got to bring all your water in, there's no bathroom services, there's no pavement, probably it's like a pretty dispersed remote location that you can kind of drive up to, but it's also still connected to a road. So it's not as deep into the back country is like a real place that you go. So for like a lot of hunting stuff, I think what I'd seen in the past and what some of these seem to be set up for is like a hunting party of se for for cars, you know, for a couple groups of people coming together, and then meeting meeting up for their hunting party. And then having a location where they can have like a big enough base camp where they can have all their equipment there for cars. And then they can go out on their couple day expeditions or their morning high and come back to the camp go out on the evening, come back to the camp sort of stuff for what seems like a lot of people in in their different locations that they go go out on hunting trips and stuff. But I was out in the john de river area driving the john de River Canyon, which is like an area, I guess you can probably find it the john de river empties out into the Columbia River. And and then I think kind of is one of the larger river systems, the larger River drainage is that exist out in Eastern Oregon there. There's a few others that are kind of out there. But I think that's one of the bigger ones that cuts through some of the sections that Eastern Oregon otherwise there's like the Deschutes that runs down the east side of the Cascades and drains a couple a couple of the rivers into it before it empties out into the Columbia River a little closer to like the Mount Hood area. But the john de river area is cool. It's out there in Eastern Oregon. And that's where I was camping a little bit earlier in July. And as I was driving through I have that that map app that onyx mapping tool. 4:32 When I was going through and I was marking locations as drive I really didn't like stay there I stopped there I take pictures or something but I go through and mark these locations as I was driving around for these dispersed campsite locations that had passed. And so it was kind of a good way for me to make a catalog kind of passively as I was driving around but make a catalogue of the locations that I might be able to go back to and some of the campsites that seemed a little bit more suitable for a day or an overnight kind of trip or a couple days. or something like that. So that's what I was thinking about for for like dispersed hunting campsite locations of some of the stuff that people kind of use. But by setting up the mapping tools, and using like the photo geotag service or that that option it's in the Onyx off road map app or the Onyx hunt app works really well I was I was finding it worked really well to, to kind of grab the phone, take a picture when you arrived at a location that was like a good hunting camp, but I found like, probably like six or seven on the last two or three trips that I've done just kind of scouting around as I was driving around in the woods and stuff, you know, places that I didn't end up camping that night. But I thought it would be a pretty reasonable spot to head back to sometime in the future. So yeah, the john de river area had like a lot of stuff sort of that area, I guess between, like the Painted Hills, around Mitchell, and there's probably a lot of stuff that goes up that highway toward the town of john day. But I think I took like a background that follow the john de river from like the Mitchell area up toward Clair now, which I think is like north of there kind of jumps like to one of the highways that runs north of there. But the I got clear no and up. So I kind of took that section and I was trying to mark like a few of those dispersed camping sites that I would find on the sides. And a lot of these, like I was saying, like, there's no services or anything, but they're set up on BLM land or or national forest land. A lot of them I think, are BLM land. I'm not totally sure about that, how that goes. But as this was Yeah, it was like, like, just, well, what am I trying to say about it? What's cool about these dispersed campsites is that you know, you can set up as much stuff as you want, you can be there pretty much undisturbed the whole time. And it's cool. Like I think a lot of these sites are great to combat during the summer stuff. But you can kind of see why they're designed like how they were set up that they're really laid out for hunters coming in in September and October to do like the elk and deer, like hunting trips. But you can kind of tell that I think by like some of the tools and stuff that are set up or like some of the ways they have their tables, you see those you see like a branch that's been like nailed in about 10 or 12 feet or 15 feet up in a tree. And I think that's where you can like bring in a deer after it's after you get it while you're out hunting, you can bring it back and then string it up and then start carving up the meat. While it's like while it's hung up on that, but I think that's like one of the signs that I see a lot but also it was like I don't know just whatever they use for their fire pit or whatever else they use really you're gonna see hunters probably like this week and for the next like month straight if you're out in any of those. This further Eastern Oregon places that people set up to do their hunting trip and stuff. But there's a couple on and offs between the hunting seasons and stuff in the next couple of weeks. But it's kind of it's kind of interesting going out there. And I remember this time of year like out out in Eastern Oregon toward Hart mountain, there were like a bunch of hunters that would be set up in different spots. For like a couple sections after Labor Day I remember when I was a kid I didn't totally reckon how many people would be going to certain places for hunting season stuff, but I was thinking like wow, there's a lot of people can't wait for some time after Labor Day. And you think oh yeah, this is like it's actually like outdoorsman really like to go hunting like to go do stuff into October into November. And I was thinking oh yeah, they're not doing like summer camping trips anymore. They're, you know, they're actually doing doing something else out here in the woods. But it's uh, yeah, it's kind of fun, going around, checking out stuff and trying to do some scouting for that. 8:42 It's cool, though, you know, one thing I've kind of recognized over the years is, it's really tough to like just go out into an area that you don't really know very well and try and find a good campsite. And that's why I've, I've kind of started. Well, that's really a definitely a big reason why I've tried to start making like a little catalog of locations a good campsite, I find while I pass them. But also I've been trying to notice that some spots are going to be better than others for different times of the year. So I've been really trying to do a lot of like off season scouting, where at different times of the year when maybe even I'm not on a camping trip, I'm able to kind of scout out a couple different areas, and marks and locations or at least like write down remember that there's a location that I want to go back to. But that helps a lot when you're trying to go out to a campsite or to a camping area, or when your circumstances change like a lot of time of camping by myself. But it's kind of cool to remember locations that are a little bigger or something or have a little bit a little bit more of a Ease of Access. If you're going with like a group of people that's a little larger and you want to accommodate a couple different cars or a couple different people. I was kind of noticing like the difference between like, like group sites and like kind of like more remote sites that you might go to. And that's sort of something that you're going to notice that they're to have these kind of these bigger group sites where it seems like you You'd almost have like a horse camp or something I've seen that as a as an option out there too it's kind of strange when you go out you know, there's like kind of regular camps it seems like you get set up and then there's like a camp with a, with a corral built into the campsite. And it seems like it's made from timber that was cut and processed, you know, they just like cut down a tree right there then split it and then made a corral out of it to keep their horses for their horse camp that they had for, you know, some hunting thing that they're up to, or some outdoors thing they were up to. But it seems like a lot of these places are like big enough to like, bring in an ATV, or you know, they have like a quad or something like that. But it seems like there's kind of like a big circle that area and then otherwise, there's like different locations that kind of like more like high clearance trucks or you know, like some kind of four, four wheel drive location that's a little bit further or you can kind of get back a little ways into the what would kind of be the back country or into it closer to a wilderness area, and then you can take that, and then jump back further and do some hunting in an area that you may be scattered out earlier in the year. But for me, like I don't really want to do any of that stuff. I'm just out kind of hunting for pictures and hunting for good campsites and stuff. So that's kind of what's been fun about that going through the john de river area up there, there was a lot of stuff that that bordered like some BLM land that stretched up a hill and I guess that areas like one of the one of the drainage is that people go to for a lot of elk hunting. And here it's known for that, or you gonna know for some pretty big elk that they're able to get out of that area, which is kind of, it's kind of cool, be fun, be fun to see some elk out there. I've only seen a couple elk and most of the time I just see the female elk I don't think I've really ever seen like a big ball elk out there in the woods. Let me kind of fun that I've had a good time Yeah, getting out to go to some of those dispersed camping sites and stuff there's yes I'm out in deep Eastern Oregon by like heart mountain that I've always really liked. There's a lot it kind of that Eastern Oregon section when you get out there. But what I've noticed though, is a lot of the stuff in the National Forest section of say like the Cascades, it seemed like pretty pretty well populated, it's kind of hard to find good spots up there you can you can find like, you know, little pull outs and dead end roads and stuff but, but as it goes for like just kind of big free dispersed campsite sections, it's a little bit harder to find up, it's a little more organized out in those locations. That's what's cool about some of the BLM stuff and some of the high desert location stuff is it's just it's just kind of wide open, you're just you know, sort of driving around, you take some little dinky road off to the side and then you're at a cool fire pit in the big Juniper tree and it looks like people have been camping there forever, you know. So it's, it's cool, you can kind of find some stuff like that. And I've had a good time going out to Eastern Oregon to find some stuff like that for myself. So I want to get out there and try and go camping at some of this. Some of the spots you know, like I'm kind of competing with the hunting season like I was saying, but but even silly, I want to jump out there and try and do some fall camping. That's really like one of the best times for you to go out there. I really like the springtime like even the early springtime like late March and April, well, it's still pretty cold. 13:12 If you can, if you can gear up for it, it's really a cool time to be out there because you have so much like texture weather in the sky and the clouds that it kind of keeps the terrain pretty interesting. It can be pretty miserable, you know if the weather is totally turned on yet, but as it goes for a lot of it, it really is kind of like a cool time to be out there in the summertime. It'll even by like may or little into June for sure. It just gets so hot that it's kind of tough to be out just kind of wandering around or hiking around in the in the daytime. So it kind of cuts down on the amount of just kind of trekking around or wandering or poking around so that you could do you probably do some from your truck or something but it's a little more fun to get out there and hike around. Check some stuff out. So it seems like the fall like when the temperatures are down a little bit. You have a little bit better opportunity to do that. And then early in the springtime. But I think the Fall is my favorite time to be out there when you're you're watching the aspen trees kind of change from green to yellow to orange and get a lot of color out there. And some of those simoes Aspen groves grow out in Eastern Oregon. So I want to try and go out there and get some photographs of it as the seasons start to change and the colors come on and the trees I get I bet there's gonna be some nice days and stuff out there. And it seems like some of the trees are already starting to turn a little bit like I was saying in that last podcast I'm seeing a lot of a lot of trees kind of start to get that late, late summer, early fall tinge to them where it looks like they're about to about to turn over and get brown and began fall began autumns so it's gonna come on pretty fast. That's it with the Yeah, like the second week of September. 14:58 You can check out more information that nude photo calm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. Couple of things I wanted to talk about were some Mac apps today, I've been trying to sort of set up my mac book to be 15:48 is configured with a few more utilities and a few more pieces of software that make it a little more functional for me. So I want to try and talk about those a little bit today. But one of them was I stat menus, it was this application that I'd heard about. Maybe over a year ago, I've been using it a lot when I was trying to render some 360 footage and a lot more like video footage, I was just using a computer like the whole day to do that. It's this program I sat menus is really good for adding in a bunch of information like a bunch of system information to your computer right at the top of the wizard bar at the top, you know, like the Apple menu and your time and your clock and stuff, right? If you get a bunch of a bunch of information about like your disk space, your network speeds, uploads and downloads, your CPU and GPU. It's pretty interesting, I like to again to check it out. And kind of when you have a bunch of graphs that sort of indicate when or how much how much of a system is going toward that task at that time. So right now I'm doing an upload to Amazon photos to try and get a backup of all my images up there. And I'm looking at the network monitoring. And so showing me like a history of my network upload speeds over the last 24 hours. And I see like there's a big dip before like 5am while I was running overnight, and then now it's back up like two maybe 3x what it was before. So it's an interesting kind of monitor, like how high your speeds are. And that sort of thing. When I was running, rendering video out, it was cool, because you can see like the temperature sensor sensors inside of the computer. And in addition to that, you can see like the hard drive space that was left on each few drives, including your externals, and you can see how fast the CPU and GPU are working. So I've been using this app a lot for kind of the system process, monitoring stuff, it's cool, I've been enjoying it, it's kind of fun to to get used to. In addition to that another one that I'm checking out is probably one that a lot of people have heard of before, but I think it's called magnet magnet, I think and it sort of reproduces the functionality that you get, I think started back in Windows seven, where if you pull a window to the edge of the screen, it'll sort of snap to the edge of that side of the screen or oral snap to be split pane window. It's kinda interesting how it works. But I like I like how it works on Windows and I have been sort of frustrated in the past that I don't have that kind of utility in the Mac OS system. So I you know, just windows are sort of built to kind of float all over each other. And I did kind of like that part of windows or even back in my experience of working windows, which is in a way I work with a computer now I have like seven windows up right now. The windows, I really always go to full screen application almost all the time. So it's kind of interesting, that workflows rate changes over time. What else am I working on? Oh, Amazon photos, that was another one that I guess I'm I'm kind of going through right now sort of lean into another side of it. But I've been using Amazon photos for a while and the Amazon drive system, I did have some backups or not even really backups for the photos backups of the photos as well, because it's the dngs and it is the JPEG images, I think you can put video up there also. But that takes up paid storage space. So for photos that you can put as many photos on the cloud as you want with your prime membership. And I think I put like probably almost 100 gigs of photos up there. So it's cool, you do have access to all of your images in that library of images you have online like I can pull it up on my phone in an app and I can pull it up on the web or in a few other places. So it just gives me an accessibility to my images I hadn't really had before to every image and that way at least that's kind of cool that you know, I do see that I have access to all of those photographs. Bigger than that I really need to go through and make more functional collections of smaller sections of that so that I have just a lot of the photos I would need to use set up and a high quality system that are more accessible to me that's still that's still a little piece that isn't really quite as tight as I would like it within my photo business. But I've been using Amazon photos to make a backup of everything, almost everything is already there. But it can incremental area like as you go, you need to get all the new stuff up there. So I'm trying to put up a bunch of the stuff that I've had for the last couple months when I haven't really been able to put a sync back up to the Amazon photos. cloud backup. The cool thing is though, is I'm trying to work with iCloud a little more in addition to that, and so I've been setting up the iCloud 20:29 put it in Finder, so I can access my iCloud data there in Finder from multiple computers and from my phone, which is cool. But on my phone in my files app I was going in there and I put in. So I have like the Amazon drive application on my phone, I had my files application sort of show that I can go to my Amazon photos files that are from my phone. So without even going to the Amazon photos application just from my files app, I can go through and browse all those photos folders on the cloud and then pull up and view those images. I thought that was kind of cool. Or it was just interesting to see like Well yeah, I can jump to each any data photos that I want back in time because they're all backed up now and more accessible. So So I think it's pretty cool. It's a it's a free service when you pay for a prime membership. So I guess the proper way to say it is it is it is a premium service that is included with your prime membership, which seems to be pretty valuable. A lot of the time. I like the Amazon cloud services and cloud storage services, which I'm trying to get a little more into, like I was mentioned, I think it's I think it's 11 or 12 bucks a year for 100 gigabytes of storage space on Amazon drive. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back 22:17 end

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And so I'm really using a lot of Final Cut Pro. I think everybody is I think, well, what am I saying? I think I think a lot of people are using Final Cut Pro, but really a lot of people are using Adobe Premiere. That's another one that's out there. We'll talk about that later, I guess. But I just did an update to Final Cut 10.4. And I've talked about this a few times to have switching over to try and process more 360 video and sort of a professional way or you know, kind of like as a product or something, some kind of nicer version of 360 video other than, I guess just what simply could be put together, but is absent What is it still simple, it's easy. So 510 point four is pretty cool, because it has the ability to edit actual rectilinear images and then render those out. So you get to you get to visualize those in a VR environment, or you get to visualize those, visualize those out to an mp4 that you get to open up. And any kind of player throw up onto YouTube or Facebook, which is also pretty accepting of these 360 format videos. But it's been really interesting working with it. And really what makes it kind of possible is the modern editing software of something like a Final Cut template for the as those those additions to work with, you know those pieces but interesting stuff. I like working with it, you know, it's a lot of fun. And I think Apple has this design theme right now, where they you know, they have like a couple buttons, I don't know what there's probably like a little designer name for him like how they had the hamburger A few years ago, that was an element and apps and on mobile websites have the little stack of lines that would be at the upper left hand corner of a web page, you click on that, and it would fall out into a little menu or something that developers would talk about that as a hamburger, something about the way it looked in layers or something that developers are hungry, so I can figure that out. But in this one, there's like three little icons that are up in the top kind of menu bar of Final Cut, when you click on those it has, it kind of pulls away different elements, different modules from Final Cut, like the browser, the project pane, or the information screen that you have kind of on the right side. And so it's interesting, you know, they're kind of messing around with it a little bit, but I like the darker theme of it all of it seems really great. And I appreciate it. I mean, it's probably a smaller upgrade from what was like 10.3 point something. But really what you get out of this, like I mentioned is the ability to edit those 360 videos, and to do some stuff in VR. And I think some of its like, what is it and then you now get to like put up text, like text walls or word, you know, like Word Art or, you know, I guess effects in the 360 environment. We're in the VR environment. And that's kind of a cool addition to what you can do in Final Cut 10.4 3:15 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there. 3:39 Really trying to do a lot of scouting stuff, which I've enjoyed to doing some scouting stuff through the summertime has been pretty cool. Where I'm really trying to go through some of these backroads I'm trying to like Mark spots in the map where there's good campsites, which I hadn't really done before. You know, it was a lot of places I've driven a lot, a lot of roads I've been on, especially, you know, like back country roads, to Forest Service roads, BLM roads, and I know a lot of good dispersed camping areas. And really, I understand the context of how to find those areas so much better now that I'm older than when I was young. I mean, when I was young, and I go camping with my dad, you know, we'd go out to Eastern Oregon we'd find some spots and they'd note about this spot since you know he was a kid and he was going over there and hunting camps and stuff with his grandpa. So it's cool for me to get to go over to those same spots and get to check out that area and stuff. But I think there's been or at least when I was a kid, I didn't really understand that the land, like the public land rights that you have, and really how those are organized like how public lands are organized and what you can do on him and then sort of how it operates. I didn't really understand the difference between national forest land and BLM land or national Parkland and state Parkland or wilderness areas, National Wildlife Refuge areas, man there's just so many different distinctions of different things and then also just private property so I didn't really have a clear recollection of Any of those things and really a lot of time when it's public land, you can go on it, but there's some things you can't do on it like I they maybe hunt in some circumstances, like a, like a national park, or I think you can't discharge a firearm inside of national park, but for specifically permitted events, maybe probably national wildlife refuges. I think those hunting opportunities are are limited. Also, though, you can still do some things in those areas, I think you have to get permitted and you have to drop tag for that location, I think is what it is. But, but yeah, it's kind of interesting. So we're learning about that learning how these things go, and also finally getting some maps that you can use that you can kind of trust better. While you're in the back country. I think that's something that's really helped me kind of understand where I can go and what I can do and i don't know i mean, we've had those map books you know, like that, that 50 page or 100 page book of Oregon and you know, every every page is 25 mile map of that area is always super useful to have that kind of grid out everything and show you that you know, the mile by mile marking and the topography of the area, the different little roads and stuff but even those roads, those mapmakers still got things wrong, I remember to you know, back in like, was it 2004 I think we were out in an area in Southern Oregon near the Nevada border was a Druze reservoir somewhere south of Gearhart mountain. And I remember we were on some, some little, some little road I don't even know if it was if it was a national forest area, I think it was just in between private and public lands as it kind of jumps back and forth in those pretty remote areas. All of it is just remote, desert and forest and sagebrush and Juniper. But some of it goes into like ranch land, it's more managed and some of it cuts back into BLM land as this as this little road sort of meander through it. But I remember being out there and noticing that the map on the page was just totally different than the map or than, you know, the real world ground truth of where the road went. And I thought oh, wow, yeah, you can't really trust the maps to show you the information that you want to see when you need it other times too you know, you'll see like Oh, hey, like it shows there's a road right here. Good deal we'll take that road Well, you know, it shows it's on the map so you cut down there you get on the road and then it's washed out like crazy or it's super bumpy and like and just terrible, right? And but it's the same green road the same label, the same marking is the road next to it that was graded and, and 7:29 aren't was that paved, right? It's graded gravel, they put more gravel down, I think is what I'm trying to say they've, they've made it an easier going road to drive on. But then you get those washboard sections out there. I don't know if you guys have done that, where you're driving around in the Forest Service roads and those gravel roads. And I think it's a natural process of erosion that occurs that creates these waves in the material. You know, as I think as a rainwater comes down, it sort of naturally over time generates these, these little ripples. And that's the washboard effect that you get when you're driving. That's also the thing that kind of kicks your car sideways when you're, you're going a little too fast on a gravel road. So I started doing today I think I kicked it pretty hard side or you know, like, it's pretty loose on the traction and it was starting to tip sideways in my truck. And so I slowed down and threw it into four wheel drive after that, and was able to cruise around out here pretty freely. But yeah, I wanted to talk on this podcast about hanging out in the Fremont National Forest and I just got finished with a huge thunderstorm that came through. It just really finished raining a little bit ago. We were kind of I think when I arrived to today at this Meadows still a few hours before sunset, so I walked around and kind of went along the perimeter of the meadow and then and then I noticed that you know, I mean it's cloudy. It's been kind of cloudy today, and there's been thunderheads that have been building up over the location that I've been ever since I kind of came over the past the Cascades have been in like a pretty solid string of a thunderheads that have sort of coalesced into big mass over the Cascades some of the here over the Fremont National Forest river mountains these are that I'm in and and yeah it seems like this section in Eastern Oregon was getting hit with a good Thunder a good summer August thunderstorm today which was kind of fun to sit through and go through it was cool if I got rained on pretty hard earlier when I was driving over I thought I'd get out here and be a little bit more free of it but it seemed like that storm kind of drifted over this way and it was sort of drifting north from here and and yeah, there's a new system but man there's just a bunch of lightning that was coming through and huge cracks of thunder just big deep rumbles I haven't heard Thunder like that. And in years and years probably you know where it just kind of stays and like hangs and rolls for 10 seconds. 15 seconds it seems like you know you just really kind of like whoa is Can it really still be just cracking and rumbling and rolling and And there was enough activity and if lightning activity that was going on there where you'd hear thunder, I mean, it was almost like 45 minutes there where there was just a crack and a roll of thunder almost continuously like it was. It was pretty intense. It's, it's, it's really I think one of the more strong lightning storms I've been in in a while but that's sort of how it goes out here when you have these higher elevations I think I'm floating around up in the 5100 feet or so above sea level. And so it just means I'm up in the mountains where these these thunderstorms get started, you know, they get there, they get there. I think that's where they they'll kind of coalesce over these big mountain tops and then float over in the hot weather. I don't really understand the weather enough to say I know how a thunderstorm starts it doesn't start now. I've just gotten cold enough I'm trying to throw jacket on. Now you gotta live through it. I'm really camping. It's been good. But I'm gonna be out here for two nights I think is what I'm going to do and then tomorrow a cruise out and I'll try and hit some of these Forest Service roads for a bit. drive around do some exploring mark a couple spots on the map as a as I'm cruising around. I think that'll be that'll be a good time but the I haven't been out here before. I think I've heard of a couple friends that have been out in this area that have done some. I think they did a couple scouting trips for a hunting trip that they're going on in the fall. I think this is an area where we're one of my friends goes I think they try and draw a tag for not this area. I think it's a drainage over from here but I think I've heard about this area a couple times from from people talking about it. So yeah, it's cool, it's cool spot it was out taking pictures earlier taking some photographs I've been working mostly probably for almost a year and a half now. I've been working a lot with this 17 to 40 millimeter wide angle Canon lens. And it's a pretty inexpensive lens and you can get it for like 400 bucks, maybe a little less if you're lucky and you get it on a sale time sometimes in the fall as we're kind of ramping down toward 12:09 what Thanksgiving I think you can get some good deals on it but that's it's sort of in the the $400 range I think sometimes maybe it's more around five or something but I picked it up a couple years ago when I was starting to do some real estate photography or was working for Airbnb for a while where they had hired me as a photographer to go into these Airbnb plus listings and get a new set of photographs. I was interested in kind of learning about how specific they wanted all this. This photographs and this this really specific art style and and you know format of it and that was fine. It was interesting to do for a while but but what was cool is that I picked up that lens to get in and do that work. But really after that I've been appreciating how much I can do with that wide angle lens and then you know 40 millimeters isn't way different than 50 millimeters. It's certainly different for the effects of portraits and stuff but when I'm out here doing landscape stuff and I'm trying to take pictures of a lot of this stuff is kind of sketch photos to where I'm sort of going around and midday I'm taking some photos of some different things I want some cat photos and my track and my my little cooler set up in the back here. 13:18 And so all that's been good in addition to that the the Astro photography stuff that I can do with it is pretty cool because it drops down to the 17 millimeters. It's an autofocus lens, it's a sealed lens, it's it's pretty it's it's pretty good and most ways and I've really noticed over time that I'm not as as absolut have a mandate for me to be shooting at a really wide open f stop you know, shooting in a wide open aperture almost all my photos early on were 1.8 or or 2.0 or two eight or something and I would do that really because I was trying to I was really trying to get because I didn't have very many lenses I was really trying to get as much effect out of that book k out of that soft background as I could. So I was really trying to lean into that and get some photos with it and I noticed with my camera and equipment at the time that it just it just looked better. They just did look better when it was at you know f1 eight I think I just had that nifty 50 Nikon 50 millimeter for the longest time that's what I did. I did my early trips on and did a lot of my portfolio building stuff on that but but I've got a different 50 millimeter lens with me now I've got it on my film camera in my bag right now which I need to take out too and I'm trying to finish a role of avatar film it's been on there for a while and I've enjoyed shooting it it's cool it's a it's a new Canon camera to me at least I got it used on kth and spent 35 bucks on it 10 bucks to ship it and it takes a weird battery to it's one of those 90s film cameras it has this weird it almost looks like a battery pack. This it's like to almost like to double lays if they were a little fatter, but are bonded together in this little Plastic pack and then you pop that in there and shoot for a little while I guess and it runs a meter okay so I'm I'm getting by with it but I've noticed the film cameras stuff it's it's fun to have an awesome film camera it'd be cool to have a Leica and all the lenses I wanted but a lot of the time with that you know the good lenses I have this this new or like canon l glass that I get to shoot through and for film photos and for the variety of images or the variety of lenses i have i can i can do telephoto I can do prime I can do really wide angle all with the modern digital Canon lenses that have you know chips in them that read well that meter well that make contact with or send information back and forth or at least from the lens to the camera I think xao works that works in the autofocus stuff for the digital camera this is this is autofocus yeah it's an autofocus digital camera it's sending information back it's working yeah that makes sense yeah so it's it's cool like and that's something I didn't really have available to me for a long time you know, I think what I've probably on this podcast if you go way back in the archives I'm talking a lot about film with a Nikon f4 you know i mean that just had autofocus I was the first camera like 88 to get autofocus period. So it's cool to have that in a more flexible way now but what I remember talking about in the past that was that I had like limited options with glass all the time, I didn't really always have the lenses that I would have preferred and so I've kind of made a collection of that now with this canon stuff I got a Canon camera and so I can throw all those lenses on and have that same flexibility that I have with my digital set. But just with this, this film body that I get to shoot a roll through so I kind of saved the film stuff for when it's a thing that I want but what I've noticed though for a little while is that I miss a lot of those moments and I ended up just having the the norm you know the regular digital camera with me with a bunch of my other gear whenever going out and trying to kind of just take the camera with me and then I'll leave the bigger bag back at the truck so that I'm not really carrying as much stuff with me I've also started carrying like when I'm out here in the woods and stuff I'm carrying that binocular harness with me which is kind of cool. You can get them in different sizes but it's sort of like if you imagine like a backpack but what they do is they strap on to the front so it's right on your chest. And what you can do is fill is put like a pair of binoculars in there so you can pull them out and then scatter around with your binoculars do some glassing and then pop them back into your into your harness and then kind of carry on with whatever you want to do but if you leave that empty without the without the binoculars if you have a smaller Camera Rig probably like a mirrorless or a Sony camera you know like one of those Sony A 6000s and if you were a backpacker, and you had a Sony A 6000 and this this front carry 17:53 like binocular pack, you'd be really sad that would be like all the camera bag but you'd need in fact really if I'm thinking about ever doing some like over you know some longer backpacking travel where I just have to pack everything in a way it's gonna be something I'm more conscious of and I think that's really like the way to go is I've kind of been thinking about it a little bit it's like get to get a lighter camera. Or I mean it'd be great to like carry like a 360 camera you know if you're going up someone else's those are almost nothing as it is anyway but but if you're carrying like an SLR or something that you want to try and do some some more controlled photography with you had something like a an A 6000 from Sony or an a seven seven or three or whatever it is something that size with a lens attached to it you know, that could fit in one of these binocular hearts is harnesses and carry kind of route on your front and then you see something and we take it, pop that open right on your chest, pull it right up to your eyes got straps on it in the harness, pull it right up to your eyes ready to shoot and you can take photos or take photos you know as quick as you want to so it's kind of a cool process if you're out hiking a lot for what I'm doing. I have my binocular harness but it's got binoculars in it and I've been kind of going around and trying to do some bird watching stuff while I'm out here and so cool Hawk was posted up who's looking at me, that's about all I've seen so far. So I coyote the other day. That was cool. I'll talk about that later that but because I had those binoculars in there and I've been kind of going out on these, these shorter hikes and stuff that I've been trying to go around and like just kind of watch them stuff or watch land and kind of keep an eye out but I just had the camera on my longer strap on my side with that 17 to 40 millimeter lens. And that's worked really good and it's been a pretty flexible kit for me to go around and take a bunch of photographs with so it's pretty easy, pretty lightweight to work with and I can kind of move back and forth between those things strapped around my neck, you know, it's not everything just hanging around my neck with a lanyard. It's all kind of put somewhere or packed in somewhere. So that's been kind of cool. But it was good going out and taking some photos tonight. I was trying to get some of the i didn't i didn't get any lightning in the camera though. The lightning stone kind of passed as soon as it was getting really dark enough to do like a long exposure kind of thing where I could, I could sort of catch something, something spark and otherwise, you know, you gotta you gotta beat the lightning bolt with your shutter finger. And that's a pretty tricky task to do. I think that's how they do it, you know, when you get those, you get those like magazine photos back in the day of powerful lightning bolt striking, I don't know, the center of a road or something like that, it's what they'd show, you know, some kind of power lightning bolt, but the way that they would do that stuff is I think, I think it was like it was dark out, you know, are pretty dark out. And so they'd set the camera up for just a cycle of long exposures, and then they would just kind of let it ride, you know, so they'd have a couple seconds to expose the image to whatever you know, at work, and then they just kind of have that rolling so that when, when a bolt of lightning did strike, and it would be captured, and you could go through that collection of captured or, you know, how is it that when a lightning bolt would strike the ground, the camera would have already been exposing for a photograph. Because it's just cycling the shutter on a four second exposure, let's say something like that. And so you know, it takes a four second exposure stops, processes for a second, it takes for second exposure stops processes for a second. So I think that's how they did some of that stuff where they, they kind of anticipate. Alright, it's been a couple minutes, let's take a frame now and then it's just going to be an event in the future so we don't know if it's going to happen or not. We're going to wait for this event in the future when we boom, see a lightning bolt and then that light then exposes the sensor or the film and the camera and then you're left with an image that has that lightning bolt represented in the frame when you're shooting on a tripod or something like that with with like a short cycle, long exposure. And I thought that was pretty cool but I didn't really get a chance to get all that stuff set up before the storm kind of passed me by I did get a lot of cool handheld stuff that was that's great if the thunder heads and stuff and really unfortunately just in the location that I'm at a lot of the and I guess maybe for the better but that lightning storm didn't pass right over my head, it was still a little ways away so I could see the lightning bolts cracking through the trees can out in the distance more, a few they stretched across the sky pretty good too. It's just a big old, you know, from east to west, it was like a big old chunk of boulders crack all the way across the sky. It was cool. 22:34 So I got photos of the thunderheads, the sunset, the the big field out here, it's cool, it's a nice area. But I was also thinking about some of the other stuff that I want to be doing tomorrow. So I'm out in the Fremont National Forest. I'm going to be heading I think maybe south from here and I'm going to try and explore a couple areas that are still open or I guess it's all open publicly This is like a pretty large contiguous section of national forest land here and really like that's a big part of Oregon overall right it's like 53% public lands it's cool Yeah, if you look at a map, you'll see the cities and you'll see like the highways and stuff but if you have the right map it'll show you where the BLM land is and where the different national forest are. And it's cool this whole area the Northwest is just there's a lot of public land that you get to use and there's a lot of open area that you get to go to and and yeah now that I've got a good map of the outdoor off road, roads and some of the terrain and stuff with some good notes and I'm able to kind of move around and get out to a lot more places than I had before. So it's been cool the app that I'm using is the on x off road app it's I think 2999 a year and so pitch that out picked up this app and then you can download offline these these really detailed off road maps that are supposed to show you all the trails you know even just walking trails all the roads all of the like the pieces of information you'd need for kind of moving around in the back country and really as surprising as it is as remote as a lot of these places are people go yeah you know it's it's also public land is managed by the the forest department forest Forest Service. Yeah, I think a lot of stuff managed by the Forest Service the BLM stuffs managed by the BLM and that's why these roads are as good as they are or maintained and that's why I like when trees are down on these mountain roads you know someone has to go through at the beginning of the year and cut all those out, rip them out filling the potholes, all that sort of stuff. So all these areas are are known about and you know kind of managed in a pretty significant way. In fact, I think more so to come in the future. I think they just announced yesterday or the day before that they've passed the great American outdoors act which I really don't know the first thing about or or what it does or doesn't do or what puts in or leaves out but I think part of my understanding is that it's supposed to change some of the funding mechanisms that go into supporting the the maintenance of these public lands that are out here across the country but really significantly out here in the western states so it's it's pretty cool I think before that it was like well we should spend you know X amount of money but there's a more important place for that money to go so it wasn't like a guaranteed amount sort of what I understand so if I understand it correctly, it was like I think they said $3 billion a year of mandated funding for projects I think here in the back country BLM land Forest Service land and like national wildlife refuges and stuff so pretty cool But yeah, I think that's gonna well maybe we'll see a change in that I think it's supposed to better fund the operations of BLM and forest service people as they're going through and trying to get these areas ready for for the public to be using more regularly so it's cool I think it'll mean a lot over the next few years or what maybe we'll see how it how it kind of transforms some of the way that these these areas are managed, I think maybe it's more for mine, I probably shouldn't even speculate. I'm not sure at all, but it's pretty cool. I'm excited about being out here and doing some camping and stuff dealing with this thunderstorm. I think it's one of those things where by the morning, you know it's going to be or at least well I was looking at the weather it should be mostly cloudy, partly cloudy, mostly sunny tomorrow for a while so I think that's pretty cool. I'm excited to be hanging out, do some cabin stuff, do some podcasting I'm in the back of my truck right now like I was saying it was rain and early after this thunderstorm so I got that canopy in my truck. And I'm nice and dry, nice warm, kind of feels like I'm just inside somewhere so it's it's a cool cool rig having the four wheel drive having the canopy on the back having your staff and your sleeping area just kind of set it back there and I'm ready to go. So I've been having a good time being out here and 27:11 it's been pretty good. Pretty good trip so far. I so appreciate you guys checking out this podcast from me. I'm gonna do a couple more podcasts while I'm out here on this camping trip and I'll I'll try and try and set up a little backlog of them on my website. I think it'll be a good idea. Now I kind of take their breaks and stuff from it. I'm sure no one no one keeps listening when it when it is there. But hey, if you listen to this and the podcast, shoot me an email time for the plugs. It's Billy Newman that photo.com if you want to check out my website, see some of my photographs, check out more podcasts that I've done, or books that I've tried to put together which is maybe what I'm going to try and do out here to try and get some photographs for another good book. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out. And since value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. I don't know. I mean, like it's kind of kind of fun to be checking out some stuff. What's the other stuff I had to talk about? I think it was trying to figure out some stuff on like my Mac laptop, I've been trying to set it up more so that as the full set of applications and features and utilities on it that I wanted I've talked a little bit about that. I went ahead and I got the I stat menus application on there. So I can look at the sensors that are in my Mac Book. The one is the the network in and out speeds that our current and the history of the network up and down speeds I guess over the last day or so you know, seven days or you know all that all that information is in there, the amount of disk space or all these different pieces of information you kind of want to know about your computer in your system. Now it's work and have Daisy disk, which is what I've been using in the past a lot it's a really cool are pretty good graphical way of sort of showing the pie chart of what's taking up space on your hard drive. I'm using Gemini as a de duplication application to go through and find like different versions of photos that I don't really want to keep stored anymore, which has been interesting to go through or just these just straight duplicates where you know, the photograph pulled in. It's just the raw version twice. And there's no difference between it other than just one files named two. Something like that sort of silly so it's taking a silly amount of space. This has been Good program to kind of find some of those programs and then eliminate them. And it's good also to showing you like, or letting you compare like, these two are said to be the same do I'm gonna kind of automatically go through and take them out, I don't really recommend that, it seems like it's best to sort of go through and select a number of them and start pulling them out 30:17 was sort of with some thought and care to it seemed like that made a difference to me when I did it. So it might make a difference if you tried to to another app that I jumped on to was the magnet app, which reproduces some of the functionality started seeing a Windows seven now in Windows 10, where the the windows like if you have a, some, some window up in some program and you drag it over to the left side, it'll snap to the left side, and then kind of fill that side of the screen or if you drag it straight up, it'll fill the full screen, if you bring it over the right side of that right side of the screen. That snapping stuff isn't really on the Mac, it's always sort of been set it to do these sort of multi window painting things, but I kind of like snapping over to the side. And it helps me have some bigger monitors to where you can kind of grab over to a side with if you have a couple programs. So I got this program called magnet, it's one of the top selling paid apps. In the App Store. There's a few different competitors to that people seem to be interested in, also, but I got this one, it was working great enough, it's a little different than the way that the windows one does it but it's fine. And it adds the functionality that I was looking for, which is great, great benefit for me. The other one, the other utility that I was picking up was paste the paste app, which I think is kind of interesting. It's it's like a clipboard app. So every computer I think, since we started getting graphical user interfaces, I think since as I recall, Windows 3.1 had a clipboard in it, but that's when you do the copy paste stuff if you copy or cut, copy or paste if you cut or copy something, it goes onto your clipboard and then when you paste it, it's pulled off the clipboard and paste it in to where it's gonna go. But really the computer convention for whatever reason is just set to that you can only copy or cut one item at a time. And if you cut again, a copy again, there's really no history of it or there's no way to track back the level of things that you've had copied or cut if you want to paste those in so it can kind of add into some frustrations. But this clipboard utility paste the paste app I think is set to sort of store like snippets and and pieces of information that you're going to try and pull up and use repeatedly over time through like your workflow. So I was trying to figure out a way to do that I'm doing a bunch of SEO stuff, like I was saying on that website. So going through and having like, like, you know, this is a block of links, this is a block of explanation. Texas is like a great meta tag This is for this stuff. If I have all that sort of laid out, that's a great workflow where I can just kind of pull up and sort of it's like, it's visually the UI is that like a command on the keyboard and a poll at the bottom third of the screen and you have this history this row this like timeline of all the different times that you've copied something over to your clipboard, and you can go back to as far as a month or maybe even more than that and it'll share it with iCloud too. So if you have different computers, you can have this app on there and you can kind of share everything on your clipboard around. It's kind of interesting and it's a cool little little useful Mac utility if you are so inclined to do copy paste, but I don't know I you know, a lot of people seem to survive, which is what is it command community community? I guess I have up until this point, but try it out. That'd be kind of fun. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this. blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the backend.

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Today I was going to talk a little bit about what you can do, I guess to get to your local network from your iPhone, it's kind of interesting how you can access an SSH server or host from a terminal SSH app on your iPhone, it's kind of a cool way to do it. And it really visualizes the terminal pretty functionally. And it's an interesting way to get access to all of your files that are at home. Now to do this on a more complex scale, you have to do some kind of tricky router, port forwarding. I know it's kind of a scary set of words. But sort of on the more small scale, you can do it I guess just from your phone while you're on your local network. Or like let's say you're at work and you have a bigger like work wireless network. If you're on that local network, you can get an app like Terminus that's the one I'm using right now you search SSH in the app store and you can find a ton of stuff but I'm using this app Terminus to log in to my home computer and then access my files or FTP, myself photographs or something like that. It's kind of interesting, but it's really kind of a novelty right now until I can figure out how to do some some higher level stuff with it. I'm learning how to use like back to my Mac, some of the remote login stuff to kind of also set up a shell system I get so kind of cool, but some interesting sort of geeky stuff that I've been been messing around with the last couple weeks that's probably what you've been seeing on my Instagram stories. If you've been watching those, it's just me like, hey, look at this thing in SSH. I logged into a server no way get it you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look up Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there and wanted to jump into a couple of the things I've been doing through the month of July and some of the outdoor camping and travel stuff I've been up to I was gonna run down some of that in this podcast today I wanted to talk about a trip I did out toward Eastern Oregon I think like last week before last is when I was out in this area and I was trying to get some good observations in for comet neowise I'm not sure if any of you guys got to check that out while it was in its prime viewing section there I think that was why we had kind of like the new moon before it switched over to being gibbous moon or nearly full moon like it's been the last week or so but I think was it around like the 15th through the 25th or so of July there's some pretty good observations to be made of comet Neo wise and I guess after after kind of reading about it a little bit it's not considered a great comment like Hale Bopp was or I think it was was an eye talkie in 1996 we haven't had a great comment in a long time I've ever seen those when I was a kid though that was pretty cool like watching the Hale Bopp come through for it seemed like three months or something you know that you're just kind of looking at that in the in the low corners of the northwestern and Western skies It was kind of cruising across the skyline I remember that still from from like third fourth grade when it was coming through and I also remember the year before that when when like straight up in the air you know like straight up in the sky at night for it was only like a week or so I was a kid you know but I remember for that week you can see a real bright two tailed comet those guns I think I can't remember how to pronounce i think is how you talk here. I think it's some it's some Japanese name. Pretty sure but that was a really cool one that one I still remember really clearly I was only like, I don't know seven or something when that like when when that comic came through but I really appreciate getting to make some observations with that one as a kid. I missed Halley's Comet though back in what 87 I think was the last one it It came through and I probably will be the few years that you know that decade or two of age range that doesn't get to see Halley's Comet in their lifetime. So I think I think I was born in 88 of course so if I make it past 100 maybe I'll see it what is it maybe like 80 something years so it's probably not going to come back around until I think it's like the 2017 or 2000 80s that I'd have to make it to for the see Halley's Comet again. 4:50 That'd be fun, but I don't know maybe we'll see a future. The future is at that time. But it was really cool to get to see comet neowise It was just a little below what would be the legs and feet of Ursa Major, the Big Dipper, or like the big bear as it would kind of be observed. But if you kind of look at the deeper part that we're all, mostly familiar with, if you kind of consider Ursa Major, the larger bear constellation that it's structured on, if you kind of look down below the dipper is where I was able to make my observations of comet neowise. And over here in the elevation area that I'm at, in Western Oregon, it's about 200 or 300 feet above sea level. And there's there's kind of a constant problem with haze and with light pollution in this area. And I think it has to do something with the well I mean, of course, the you know, the amount of population that's around and but also, something about the air quality, or about how the air kind of flows out around here that just doesn't ever seem to be as crisp or as dark as you can get up in the mountains. And, and really, it's just like a stunning difference, when you're able to get out further and make some some more clear observations, you know, the level of magnitude of stars that you're able to reveal, just in a dark night is so much more crisp and clear. It's just like a total difference. So it was cool to I think I first was able to spot just a little fuzzy bit of a second magnitude version of comet neowise while I was here in town, but I tried to make a special trip out toward Eastern Oregon out into the desert just to do some camping stuff. But what I wanted to do at the same time was make some good observations and also try and get some good photographs of comet neowise as it was coming through during its period, where you could, you could make some, some good sightings of it, but it was cool. So going out to Eastern Oregon, as it got dark, a little past 1030 or so as you look to the northwest, you can really see the comet and its tail spread for a couple inches in the sky. And I was really surprised to notice how little of it you could really make out I see when you're in an area of almost any light pollution, once you're back in town, or once you're in a lower elevation area. With some light pollution and haze around it was really difficult to make out in the same way that I could out in the desert or out in the mountains. And so I thought that was pretty cool to get to get to see and get to check out over there. But yeah, as a blast getting to do some stuff out in Eastern Oregon, I went over to the john de river area. And I was checking out that area. There's a lot of public land out in that area. But there's also some a lot of private land too. It's just kind of an interesting area, how it sort of broken up and it was cool to get to go out go out to the I headed out to Madras and then I took off and headed over East there until I ran into the john de River. And then I was able to use this map that I have to go through and find some of the open off or just the open roads that are you know, smaller gravel roads that are set up to kind of traverse the back country out there. So I was able to find a few of those that were open and travel around on those for a while. And that was pretty cool. I was able to find some dispersed campsites and set up right along the john de River, which is really cool. It's a beautiful area out there. It's kind of interesting, the john de river flows through this sort of, I guess it would be I don't know it's kind of like Canyon land and it's also sort of these rolling grass hills that sort of make up the landscape of, of Northern northern and northeastern Oregon. And I think Yeah, as soon as you kind of get a little bit for like a little bit north of bend is when you get out of the Great Basin area and you start to get into another kind of landscape that seems to stretch up north of the Columbia River up into Washington I've heard that some of it's from like really old 8:53 deposits from the river systems in the waterways that were up there and how it were like there's old old deposits and then an erosion that's happened from those rivers running through the area for such a long time but but really cool to see kind of the rolling hills and then some of the carved out canyons that go through the john de river area up there when I found the campsite I was at I was pretty far away from everybody and I was really far away from any substantial town I think it was near i don't know i don't even know what it is there wasn't anything there when I drove through there's a bridge and a couple little ranch houses you know real ranches right? Like just a little a little a little house like a little two bedroom house and then 100 acres of cattle to deal with so it seems uh seems like another life out there I wonder how they're dealing with you know, kind of the way the world is things are this summer, but it was cool. Yeah, getting out there. Went to already kind of set up my campsite and stuff had my truck going. And that was all pretty easygoing. But then I waited till dark after 1030 Yeah, comment neowise is really visible up below the Big Dipper. That was pretty cool to get to see out there in Eastern Oregon really bright really clear, you could almost make out the second tail I have my binoculars with me. I think there's some 10 by 40 twos. And those really well to view it to view the comment library really crisp through there through the binoculars and yeah, really easy to spot most of the night Even just to the naked eye, it was really easy to spot it was like, Oh yeah, it's right there, there's a comment, it's just a big whisper in the sky. So it was really cool to get to view it, what I did is I set up my tripod, and I have my camera with me. So I set it up with a really wide angle. And then I was trying to get some photographs of it as it was, as the comment was sort of coming down to set on the landscape of the hillside, you know, as the hours went on into the night. So I think I stayed out until maybe one or two in the morning, when the Big Dipper was sort of scooping down a little low onto the horizon. And then at that point, the place where the comment was dipped below the horizon and then was out of view for the rest of the evening. And I think even into the morning, I think by that time when I was photographing it, it wasn't it wasn't visible any longer. up in the morning sky, I think they said you know, at first in early July, you could kind of view it around Capella, if you were able to get out early enough, say three or four in the morning. But as as the direction as it was moving, it was kind of creeping up pretty quickly or you know, day over day over day, it would kind of move a good chunk through the sky. And in the direction that it was moving, it was moving to be more visible at the nighttime which really offered more hours of good observation time, which I thought was pretty cool to wait until it was really dark enough in the northwest view of the sky probably about 1030 onward is when you're finally able to make out those kind of finer points of light in the sky in that region. So it was really cool, set up the tripod, set up the camera, set up some manual focus to to get it kind of set sharp at night you can't you can't use autofocus when you're trying to make photographs of the night sky, the stars because it just kind of seeps back and forth you have to set it to manual focus and then 12:15 ring out your your focus ring to infinity and then just back a little bit you'll notice this every time if you do it, it's really frustrating the dark because you can't really always make it out in an easy way and edit your mistake quickly. But if you go all the way to infinity and then take fixed pictures there the night sky you're going to notice that this points of light that are the stars sort of end up a little fuzzy and it's because all the way to infinity for whatever reason just isn't quite in focus at infinity. So you have to go all the way up to infinity and then back it off just a little bit. And that'll nearly ensure that most of that part of the image is in focus the whole way and it's difficult even even if you do have an F stop that's a little bit more tightened out say like an f4 six or something you're still gonna get a lot of that out of focus softness, if the focus ring isn't really dialed into the right spot. So I try to work on that a little bit. And yeah, dialed in my focus was able to set it up with reasonable ISO to get some images of the night sky and pick up some of those finer points of light and then it was able to take a series of photographs in a few different locations out there in the john de River Valley which I thought was really cool is pretty to be out there and it was a nice night really warm in the River Canyon and really remote to like I was mentioned I think I was the only person out there for a few miles I saw another another group coming in on a like a little midsize SUV and they were going fishing out of the bend in the river a couple miles up from where I was this I took my truck down a little further and camped out just on the side of the river. It was cool nice Green River up to the kind of high desert tan rim rock that runs the area around there. So it was it was a cool evening cool campsite area it's cool spot to check out comet neowise too. So I tried to check it out. Up until I don't know what 130 in the morning when I couldn't see it anymore and then spent the night out there out in the john de river area and then the next morning got up and try to check out some of the different roads and stuff that went around. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you received some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more info They're about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 15:15 For the longest time I was shooting with Nikon cameras and I'd always really liked doing that but most of that was always kind of maybe constrained by budget for I think I started with a Nikon D 40 back in mid 2007 is when I bought it the camera probably came out earlier than that, I really enjoyed kind of picking up that was like an entry level DSLR at the time, and now it's like really antiquated. I sold that off now years ago and kind of moved it over into other other camera equipment over time. But that's what I got while I was in college is a really good camera for me to learn on and kind of learn some of the fundamentals of working with a digital camera and I had a lot of fun working with I made it like a ton of photographs with it. then pretty soon after that. I tried to switch over to something that was more of a professional body when I was trying to take some of the work that I was doing a little more seriously and when I was trying to get hired as a photographer to do really even just student projects at the time I was trying to get a couple extra lenses and I was trying to get a couple stronger features in the in the camera body that I was using. So at the time I think it was in like 2008 2009 actually I think it was in 2009 I bought my first like professional body that Nikon D two H and at that time that was already a pretty antiquated camera I think in 2009 it probably came out in 2003 I think is what it was. So it's already like a pretty big gap in time there there's been at that time especially in that decade. There's just so much advancement in the way that sensors worked in the way that the scene wasn't even a CMOS It was like an elb caste is like an lb ca St. Named sensor. I don't even know what that is but it was different than the CMR system that would be in a lot of cameras I think that maybe we probably find now or you know like the sensor piece in the back and it wasn't full frame either it was in even the professional and it wasn't full frame it was still like that crop sensor that Nikon had. So it was good for for a long time and I was really happy to use it and happy to kind of learn on that camera it had a ton of features and really I probably go back to that that full professional body of Nikon. If If I was just to pick any camera that I wanted to use, I think like a Nikon D five would be an amazing camera to work with. But at the time, what I was trying to do was get a job at a newspaper like the student newspaper when I was going to college and to try and get some jobs or you know trying to get get some activity to try and go and take different photographs in different locations. And that job was great. It was cool working for the student newspaper because you get to go to different locations and try and make some interesting photo out of something that's probably not very interesting. It's normally like a person talking to a to a classroom with beige walls and low level ceiling light or something like that every once in a while you get to go to a football game or something like that so that you don't really have the opportunity to go to normally that was really fun that was interesting and it provided me a lot of opportunities to do some some different you know work with different lenses work with you know, different lighting and some sort of you know, interesting and dynamic subject matter. But a lot of the time like I mentioned it was like I think I had to go photograph that they were removing pipes from a student building on some side of campus I hadn't been to before so it was it was the I was supposed to take a photograph of the absence of pipes didn't really make a lot of sense it wasn't really a very interesting photo and there was no people or story around it so it's you know it's always something like that or it seemed to be often something like that. That was just like had almost no subject to take a photograph so it was a challenge in that way. But it was really fun when you got to do something cool so that's that's why I bought that that Nikon D to H and then to a company that I think I tried to save up some money in college that was hard for me to do. I tried to save up I think like $150 or something like that to buy the 50 millimeter one eight lens there was like I don't know the version of nifty 50 that they have over on the Nikon side It was great to use and and that that kit there that the D to H and the than the 50 millimeter was what I used to take a bunch of photographs for the next many years is a great kit of a camera to have it work really well to take I think like a bunch of the cool landscape stuff that I did on the first couple trips they did were just both with that setup. So I bought that I bought that Nikon D two h USD on eBay when I made that purchase of it. And I use that camera probably for the longest amount of time. Like I think I used that up until like around 2013 or so when I was kind of trying to shift away from it. And that's when I was getting into more film photography stuff at that time I actually switched over to a an even or just a different camera, a Nikon n 80 film camera because I was I was doing a ton of stuff with with film and film roles at the time. And then I bought a Nikon F four s another film body camera that was from like the 90s I think is when that one was manufactured. I think it first came out in like 1988 that I probably mentioned a couple 20:07 times. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you Next

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So considering IoT for a second, the Internet of Things, one of the biggest issues I see with it is the leverage that it takes from the home signal, your security architecture that you have within the network of your house, with a computer with like a desktop computer that was behind a router from your cable company that was running some security system, or even just, you know, like a modern operating system that's able to run some kind of more frequent updates from the manufacturer. That's an internet connected device, when it was just sort of one internet connected device in the home, the security system was really probably even better, even with the the amount of, I guess, information that'd be sloughed off through air of the user. But now, with all of these connected devices, all running to the router, and all sending IP data across the network to remote servers in the cloud, someone else's computer out there, well, then, there's a lot of other vectors of insecurity that start occurring, and especially if some of these elements of IoT aren't really updated as frequently with patches, or security updates that keep systems like Windows 10, or like the the Mac system that you might use secure. These things just take maintenance and development. And a lot of these companies that are smaller, they don't produce those things for a long time, even a lot of the companies that produced IoT devices in 2015, aren't even in business anymore. And therefore, of course, don't support the service. And oftentimes, it means even worse than just having a failure of security, the device function itself doesn't have an IP gateway to access through its service anymore, because the company's out of business and then your item that you paid for, without really, maybe the explicit understanding of a license agreement, continuing the service activation of the device or the company's existence. Now your device doesn't work at all in some instances. So it's quite ludicrous in those situations. I hope you don't get scammed out of money in that. IoT is great. My my echo device is fantastic for calling out timers in the kitchen and turning on and off the lights remotely. With that functionality. It's quite fun to yell out, turn my lights on, turn my lights off, it's great to do that sort of stuff. But outside of that, I wonder how adept some of these skills are going to be. Until we come about with a new iteration of voice recognition that's going to be a little closer to ay ay ay, our actual artificial intelligence, then something more like coding. Like what we seem to experience right now seems like a lot like coding right? 3:21 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there. 3:44 Today I thought I posted a photograph from the wahi Canyon area it's like really remote South East Oregon territory is really cool out there. I've only gone out there a couple times and really truthfully we need to be I don't know just needs to be explored much more than what I've put my time into it for but it's just so remote. It's amazing how it is that they like what we did is we came in from Boise we drove down and through that you're kind of in the ilahi area as it kind of flows into I guess though, why he would flow into the Snake River some somewhere around like Ontario Oregon, but but up above that, I guess the law he goes up toward winnemucca which is sort of what I understand or at least kind of stretches on there a little bit I was hearing about we were handing to this guy. This kind of this kind of eccentric mountain man. When we were in the Alaska mountains and he had talked to us he stopped for a second he was using like hiking pants and you know a jacket with a handkerchief on he was probably in his 60s maybe. And he told us that he was uh i don't know what he was using the things he had been out there for maybe like a month or so maybe. Maybe he said like four or five weeks. Of being out in the willow mountains and he was he had his partner going back into town to get provisions when when we ran into him but he had a tripod and a camera and he was walking around or he's on a hike through the ego cap wilderness trying to find these, these trees, his type of pine that's being affected by climate change as the climate gets warmer in the Alpine area. As the temperature starts to lift in elevation, it changes the types of tree species that are able to live in the Alpine area there so I guess it kills them off as the temperature gets higher. For the certain type of pine tree this like was like a two needle pine and a five needle pine, or something like that. But apparently I guess that's that's what this guy's working on. So he's trying to work on a photo project for this. He talked to us for a while, though, about the law, he came in about the Snake River and about, I guess about how before the dams were built, the salmon run with flow up the Columbia River, up the Snake River, up the Elahi river and you would get salmon run all the way into the interior area of winnemucca, California or winnemucca, Nevada, way out there. So it's just really weird how it kind of pull up these smaller tributaries of the Columbia from the ocean all the way back into the central part of the state of Nevada to grab a chip but it was interesting to talk to that guy for a few and then when we were out in the Milwaukee area, it goes on for a really long time, but there's a few different sections of it's a big river, right like so it's a it's a whole territory of land that sort of meanders through that section of Oregon. But really beautiful landscape out there what we did is we went to Rome and then there's like the pillars of Rome, that's this this area out there but then off from that you can drive south really for quite a while for a while 6:39 on a dirt road and then you pull around and we take like this really bumpy little red like a little access road out to this point. And we did some really cool photos of the Hawaii Canyon it's really pretty right there. At least in this spot that we were taking photos of but it's cool I guess if you go a little further you can pull into this this Three Forks region I think there's a dam or there's maybe there's a few dams on the Hawaii it seems like that's kind of what I've noticed from it but there's this backed up area where you can go in now what I want to do is I want to get a kayak and I want to set up a camping trip and and kind of do like a backpacking trip and just throw the backpack in the kayak and then cut across the water you know kind of cut down though the law he river and then pull out on different sides of it you know over a couple of days and do some camping and do some photos but it seemed like a really cool place to to explore the Three Forks area I guess was that like the trout Creek mountains it's maybe somewhere near there maybe it's not too near to there I guess that whole area stretches out in a pretty expansive way like so. So from the Hawaii section then we drove over to like the burns junction and then you have to drive past that and then you're pretty close to the alvord Desert. That's when we're driving West right so we're way out east like near McDermott, Oregon, Rome Oregon, I don't know it's way out there I hear that like like this week in early October right here it's hunting season and I guess I guess that's a huge area for or it's a it's a big district for some of the bigger mule deer and I guess the elk that are out there I guess it's a big area to go hunt elk but I've also heard like the fossil area there's probably plenty of drainage is that the workout is good hunting lands for this time of year for whoever's into that but yeah I've just been working on some photo stuff so yeah the photo from the Hawaii canyonlands area is posted I put that one up I worked on it for a little while trying to do some editing stuff and but yeah it's really cool i like the that area I really want to go back there and spend some time there for real you know, that's a tough thing is it's so remote sometimes you kind of move in over a larger amount of landmass that that whole region just sort of would take a week maybe more to kind of get into and explore and I bet there's a lot of new interesting photos and visual things you can see down there there just be a cool adventure to it seems like like such a cool spot that's not really seen by a lot of other people. So I don't know an interesting thing and something to put on the opportunities list for for next season as we come back into the camping zone. But yeah, it seems like you're gonna have a couple months here. Like winter in Oregon always is a bit kind of turn it down into a little bit of a slower time for the outdoor, outdoor adventure outdoor camping travel stuff. 9:28 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo calm, you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo 10:08 and I think I just been going through editing a handful of photographs and I want to talk about a few of the ideas that I had around that it was cool I was going through through an archive on a hard drive that I have for a bunch of the images from a lot of the camping that we did during September while we were out this this past year and it was cool working with with the newer Sony cameras like like I talked about a handful of times on this podcast so far and and working by like traveling around and camping and stuff work into the truck and all that so it was really cool but so with a lot of these photos a handful of or you know in a waterways they really haven't been processed to to a final outcome yet so one thing that I was working on was trying to go through some of the photographs from imnaha Oregon and then now we're going to talk about on here a bit was that area that's east of of Joseph and enterprise Oregon as you get up toward Hell's Canyon or yeah I guess up there like right on the Snake River and the Idaho border and it's a cool spot it's a really interesting little town and the geography out there really changes quite quite dramatically like right there out next to the Snake River and out next all those hills and mountains that are over in that area. But it looks like it used to be way more full of water out there just the amount of erosion that you can you can see that seemed like it ran through their to create this giant gorgeous that we see now that's that's a lot of Earth movement that had happened out there. So it's a really cool area out there. But once you get out to him now there's no services, there's no gas, there's no store really, I think there might be some type of thing if you if you could call ahead and knew what to call in head for. But there's a road that cuts out in the m&r River Canyon where the river flows through and then there's a road that cuts up and it would go out toward Hell's Canyon or toward a viewpoint at least have at the top of Hell's Canyon as you look down into the Snake River and the Oregon Idaho divide really cool area up there and definitely worth the drive if you can get out there but at a certain point there's a viewpoint that you're able to kind of walk out to the shows all of the imnaha Canyon and really interesting way just the angle of it I think everything starts to line up really nicely in that way and that's something I've tried to kind of look for us on try to put together some photographs so that area was that was really cool you know it's designed to look really beautiful but I try to get real low and bring in some of the some of the contexts and texture the grass in this dry grassy field that the cast stressed off on a steep slope down the hillside as it went down to the bottom of the ravine or at the bottom of the canyon you know the M the high River Canyon that's out there but the contours of the land and the distance that kind of all flowed into the same vanishing point as as in high river you know sort of worked his way up back towards the horizon but really beautiful area up there and it was cool just sort of focusing the camera and trying to try to frame that up to sort of capture that immense sness of edge to edge what it what it was really like to sort of feel that the way that just the amount of angle there is to that and so one thing that I was working on with this photograph was an A handful that is from from them Nairobi, Kenya was trying to try to work on some some more advanced black and white conversions of these photographs and I know there's there's different different high contrast filters and stuff for for good black and white images and in a lot of ways I could really help a ton of images especially if they're shot right or you know cleanly with good light that you know the files are clean, there's a huge amount you can do with things like that but gosh Yeah, just trying to like go through and add black and white conversions that are a little bit more specific, a little bit more adjusted to some of these photographs, especially ones that have like a structural context to him or a compositional element that's really just defining the landscape by the structure of the land and by the the angle of the land a cow like I try to mess with that a little bit so it was a school working on it now like the the way that it turned out it kind of pulls some of the yellow color out of it which is really just sometimes distracting. And then the strips it down to the kind of sharp angles that come in from the top of the top of the frame to the bottom of the frame. These these other sharp diagonals that are kind of mashed up in parallel with the two so I kind of like that part of the composition elements that come about with when you're you start working on stuff when when you kind of work or just when you kind of start getting a little bit more trained and stuff and when you're able to sort of make things a little bit more easily that says to come around a bit better but but yeah, it was cool working tonight on a handful of photographs from from the Ohio River Canyon and try and make some black and white conversions of them. 15:02 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you next time

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Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 0:23 Hey, what's going on? This is Billy Newman, I'm a photographer you can see some of my work at Billy Newman photo calm or hanging out here on my YouTube page and check out some of these, these photographs that I've made a few videos about. Today's photograph is an image that was taken on film it was of really it's just kind of an interesting one. And this is what I wanted to talk about this is from a real simple kit and it's probably something that would cost less than $150 in equipment overall to make this type of image. Now that comes from this photograph was made using an old used film camera with a regular 15 millimeter lens on I bet you can go to a thrift store and find something like this for really a pretty inexpensive price. And there's an amazing amount of quality you can get from it. But this this Daisy and grass field was photographed really just right next to me beside a curb on 18th Street in my town was kind of interesting how it was but there's a nice soft evening light that was coming in low against the horizon backlighting, this little patch of grass, it's just a little patch of lawn that had a handful of daisies blooming in it. So I pulled up real close with the 50 millimeter at one, eight. And I photographed this image on film of these daisies and the soft evening light of the early springtime really cool image and I just kind of like the mood of it. But it was kind of cool to be able to talk about how inexpensively and how effectively you can use equipment that's still available. 1:54 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. Thinking about a couple of the photo things that I've been trying to put up I just posted one earlier it was a backpacking photo that I'd taken when we were out in the willow mountains up in the eagle cap wilderness. And that's a really cool spot. I've talked about it a ton of times before but but it really is a special location as it goes even for Oregon which is really blessed with a lot of very nice, very approachable photographable locations. But the will our mountains have always been something that stood out to me as one of my favorites. And I've heard that region has a lot of stuff like that like as you move further over into Idaho into the sawtooth mountains in the house Canyon, there's a lot of really peculiar spectacles to go see in that area. And it's really interesting how it's laid out. I appreciate it and I love to kind of getting to go through the whole area. But the allow mountain specifically have something kind of special to him, especially when you get up into the Alpine area. And you get away from people even as it goes when you get to Joseph, you're significantly away from people but as you leave and kind of pushing further into the ego cap wilderness 3:19 number of people just drops down to less than a dozen by far. And, and even less than that, you know, as you move into the more remote areas, it's sort of interesting how there's a threshold of where people are like if it's under so many miles of a hike, there's going to be a lot more people there just sort of evolution maybe it's our you know, it's it's just a natural selection, right? It's, it's where people would naturally select their interest to be closer to the main road and then further and more competitive at a farther distance. And so it's interesting, like if you go to a lake that's six miles in, there's going to be more people there than if you went to the lake that was nine miles and it just people kind of pull out first or they pull out to the to the route of the trail it's going to not be as much it seems like but also on top of that, really. And I blame myself for this specifically. It's way busier now. This decade just generally it seems like the Rei or the the whole outdoor industry, this whole outdoor media industry outdoor adventure industry, it just seems like it's double what it was 20% up from what it was a decade ago. That might make sense. And the reason that I would say that is it just seems like there were so many more people filling the parking lot of the area than there were in the years past. And the reason I say that and the reason why that's that's qualified information maybe is it's after Labor Day. Now what's the trick used to be when I was doing a lot of the photo trips that I do, as I kind of travel east trim here and kind of do a big loop in the fall to take photos is after Labor Day where you really need Notice that a lot of these state parks, a lot of the managed locations where there's a park coast or something like that those all get shut down for the winter, it's closed off unless it's like a bigger, higher volume National Park kind of area. But all of these remote locations like the walala wilderness, or the alvord Desert that we went to these were places where there would likely be no people, especially no people, if it were off hours off season, sort of stuff, sort of visitation. But what we noticed when we were there is that the parking lot was filled up, like you know, it was 5060 7080, cars deep, they all just kind of Park in a line up above the trailhead, and that's, you know, you kind of visually just are impacted by Wow, there must be this many people from all these cars up in the mountains right now. And in the past, like when I was there in 2011. And then again, in 2012, and 13, there would be no car, like there was five cars in the parking lot. It was me, I pulled up right to the very front. And I mean, and even when we went this last time, it was a mid week trip. It wasn't it wasn't Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And even still, with that midweek trip, there was more traffic up there. So we went to our noid Lake, I believe. And that was an area that was I think, like six miles. And so a little bit of what I was talking about before about natural selection of the hike, you're going to go on that day, six miles was is less of a hike. I think the other one icelake is nine miles, maybe the other one is 10 1213 miles, you know, somewhere in there, but it just kind of progressively goes on from about six there's about one every two miles or so if you know if you kind of put you know your so many more miles after that. There's this next one, so on and so forth, as you can imagine, but a lot of people go up to this like for like a lunch day hike, which sounds like a blast not having to actually carry all the heavy stuff with you or, you know, all the equipment, all the overnight stuff that you'd have to deal with. But it was fine. It was it was cool. We went up to our North Lake, we camped up there for a night. And we did a lot of photo stuff. But it was kind of tough because I think I mentioned on that last podcast where the we were prepared, but the weather would kind of get twisted on us more often than really what I wanted it to. But the weather would kind of spin out on us a little bit. So the first night we were there, it was nice and decent. And temperature and weather as we were hiking up to the location where we're going to camp. There's only one other couple camping up there I think was like a mom and a daughter team that were there were camped out of the site. And then so we pulled away from them on a lake and you know, it's just the whole lake to us, which is really cool. It was fun. So we shot around there for a while but there's rain that picked up it was probably one of the first rains of the season while at least for me or for us or for that area but it seemed like it kind of built up over the mountains you know, like how you see storm systems kind of build up over the mountain top sometimes seems sort of like it was that like it was some kind of weather pattern that was about that allows it seemed like it was nice everywhere else. But it just seemed like it wasn't very nice there. So we camped there for the night. We got through some rain. It was nice. The next morning, we 8:01 took a lot of photos that morning a lot of photos through the day, we kind of walked around the lake and it was interesting, I guess way back before it was before it was a wilderness area. Before whatever kind of legislation went into effect in the 60s I think was the Nixon era. You know, a Nixon had just gotten in and what was like 68 and they pushed for the Wilderness Act or the wild and scenic act are brothers a bunch of stuff before that, but from way back like 100 years ago, like before, these regulations existed on what could and couldn't happen in wilderness areas. I guess it was a bot area next at Lake and they built like six or seven cabins up there. Like we just cut down wood and built these cabins so you got there I think they're still owned as private property was sort of grandfathered in. Once the whole wilderness thing was established there's a lot of those private land facilities that were grandfathered into that system because they'd already existed there. So these are all like undeveloped and maintain things that I guess you could you could pay someone to to hike up all the way there and then camp there if you'd want to. It seemed a little dilapidated to me though I don't know if I'd want to put out some cash for that after especially after hiking all day, I might as well just take my tent or hammock or sleeping pad or something, you know if I'm doing that, but it was cool to go check out and it was kind of cool to spot something a little different up there. But it's really fun. You know, honestly, I don't like the cabins because really what I want to go to the allowance for is the wilderness experiences the getting away from the cabins, the private property, the signs that say you can't go here, someone else owns this sort of thing. I'm trying to get away from that and go to public land and go to places where I have access where I get to do things. And so if it's in civilization like downtown and I see private property or whatever it might be, or you know, this is ours, it's not yours. I say all right, fine, that's okay. Because that's the that's the negotiation we've made here and civilization, but when we go way out when we've hiked in miles and miles under our own discipline, and accord to get Somewhere to spend time there and then there's some sign some indication that we're not supposed to be there or we're not supposed to be a part of it or we're not supposed to whatever we're supposed to respect their private property and it's a big open field that is a place that everyone gets to hike to that's just a big lake that's a tourist destination now I'm not respecting that rule I'm going wherever I'm going to do whatever that's your business to get a camp post to discipline not mine. So that's might be a leg that I don't go to anymore or that we won't really hike out to again I think mostly you know, photos were fun it was fine other than like not really getting the the light and the opportunity you know running into a storm roll the rest of it that kind of took away a little bit but really there's there's just not as many How do you say like priority landscape features at that at that location there's a pretty Lake it's very nice it's very Alpine looking and you know in its presentation but it just didn't really have one of those those triple A titles to photograph when you get there there's not like a lake and then this really cool perspective of a mountain it's just sort of a big Ridge that runs along this this glacial lake cool really pretty beautiful shouldn't take away from it but but when your goal is just kind of to get to a specific kind of thing and then get a photo in the can as they'd say in the beers or you know when you get to finish it it's done it's already locked off and it's already captured you got what you want then you can move on it just didn't really feel like we got there at our location in the allow amounts but it was super fun being there it was cold at night though man made mornings bad that's the thing that sucks about morning photos at night. You get the sun to heat up the earth all day and then you get to go out and take photos of it in the morning though it's just been cold the whole time especially as we move into fall as we move into winter like that cold just really starts to peak it seems like well you know we're getting really close to the freeze I'm sure it was already freezing up there above the Alpine level like we were 7500 feet something like that. So that's a lot Are you from coming down here oh man and the altitude not altitude sickness, altitude fatigue it just drew on me Marina to she really noticed it but you know, as you go around, it's like one o'clock that next afternoon you're just trying to you're just trying to have energy to sit and eat lunch it seemed like it seemed like you know, if you're really pumped up and you really got to hike in or something you could struggle through it, but just that that native energy that you would have to go do something it just was really zap that might be just from sleeping on rocks for four days beforehand, and then try to hike or something like that. But it's but it's it's weird. I don't know. I remember a couple other times he was he kind of if the backpack and you climb up in elevation, it just can be really fatiguing. 12:55 So we made it through it, I posted a photo up to Instagram today it's hitting Facebook and Twitter and whatnot this afternoon. I'm also trying to run through and find a good video clip like a good behind the scenes video clip of us kind of walking through or running around up in the clouds as we're hiking and I know I have a bunch of those of us backpacking and trying to put in some work to get to a spot to take some cool photos so 13:24 you can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you received some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 14:03 So I wanted to talk about the training stuff that I've been doing. I think I'd mentioned I had done a good bit of work with, you know, other programs in the past. But this is really the first time that I've gotten into spending time learning specifically about some of the features and the controls in Logic Pro and now Logic Pro 10.5. So what I've done is gone to now what's called LinkedIn learning. LinkedIn learning com. They used to be a website called lynda.com and lynda.com was these these screencast video tutorials of how to use different types of software and how to be trained, you know, just training for different types of most of the time computer related skills. So I've used that service for a number of things over the years specifically I think Chris orbix Lightroom tutorial is probably like standard for a lot of photographers that have been interested in and learning about photography editing. And so all of those courses that have existed over the years have a lot of a lot of good information in them. But so I went back to, to what would be lynda.com. Now as it has been purchased by LinkedIn, through Microsoft, it's now called LinkedIn learning. Right on Hmm. So LinkedIn learning has all of the old Lynda videos, including all the updates to the videos that they're still continuing to produce. So I went on and I tried to find some training videos about Logic Pro 10. There's a number of videos for like Essential Training for Logic Pro 10. But there's nothing because now this new update Logic Pro 10.5 is really only maybe two weeks old or something. It's, there's no there's just no new video training established for it. So I think for Logic Pro 10.4, there's a full Essential Training Video that was produced by was a Scott Hirsch music producer out of New York. And he just kind of goes through the controls and the system and stuff and you get you get a good feel of like how to how to make changes, how to use different features, how to use the mixer versus like the linear tracking system, you know how to use different controls and stuff. A lot of this stuff is similar if you've used GarageBand, like I was mentioned, or another digital audio workstation that does multi tracking in the past. But it was cool, yeah, learning licks and techniques about how to apply different different compress, or how to make the settings of a compressor do more specifically the types of things that I'm wanting to do in a mix, I think was some good information for me to be learning about through the the Logic Pro training stuff. Also, in addition to that, if you don't want that, so LinkedIn learning is a paid service, you can get a one month free trial at that too, which I'm taking advantage of at this moment to get to get some new information. But what you can do is go to YouTube and look up similar, similar training videos. And there's a lot of people a lot of music producers out there that have done their own screencasts of kind of walking through different services or different techniques that these digital audio workstations provide so as looking at a guy guys website, I think it was why Logic Pro rules calm and that had a lot of good training videos on it too. He had a lot of information about how different pieces of it work and just how to how to make use of a lot of the techniques that you'd have to apply in a certain piece of the software to make it more effective. And I thought that was really cool. I really appreciated some of the stuff that he'd done and thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts like this a blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode. And the lucky next

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Website Billy Newman Photo https://billynewmanphoto.com/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/billynewmanphoto Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/billynewmanphotos/ Twitter https://twitter.com/billynewman Instagram https://www.instagram.com/billynewman/ About   https://billynewmanphoto.com/about/ 0:14 Hello, and thank you very much for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. I wanted to continue on talking about a little bit about vertical video, sort of a strange thing not really used to it in this day and age. But one thing I've noticed is that YouTube YouTube itself is now going to support I think maybe for the last six months has supported vertical video playing or playback, at least on mobile phones, I think iOS and Android within the app. And when I go to the website, still it shows me the player in horizontal, regular video mode and then it shows me the video kind of, I guess pillar boxed in there as a piece of vertical video in a horizontal frame. That's what it shows me on the web. And so I'm interested to see if they'll end up changing that over time or you know, maybe reorient at least a little bit so that it just sort of shows it without the black bars around it. But kind of interesting I'm not sure if I'm totally sold on a format of vertical video outside of the mobile, handheld you know phone experience and so that's probably why they're they're focusing so much just on that that first but definitely interested in kind of seeing the way that the Instagram TV is sort of competing and the vertical video market you know, the produced vertical video market, different Snapchat different than the story stuff that you see on Instagram or Facebook so 1:40 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look up Billy Numan under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping. You cool stuff over there. This last week, I made a trip out to Central Oregon, and it was still really nice. You know, we had a little bit of rain, I think out there last Thursday, Friday and then Saturday, Sunday we it just it just brightened up a ton. It was super crisp, super bright, really cold though. I think my friend David just got out to Eastern Oregon, I think got towards Smith rock. And he said it was super cold out there too. But yeah, this trip, we did like an overnight trip out there. And I think today I just posted a photograph of something I thought was really cool. It's one of the archaeological remains that are out in Eastern Oregon. And there's a whole interesting history about stuff in Eastern Oregon. But the photo that I posted to Instagram and Facebook and all the other places today is a photograph of this rock teepee ring. That's still in very good condition. It's out in Eastern Oregon in this area in between sort of near like where a dry lake bed where once just a lake would have been now what we see in our modern time is just a dry like that. But the cool thing is is as we kind of look around you can see the remnants of an old indian camp that was really quite established in that area. I think it's it's just amazing to get to go see you'll find other artifacts from Indian populations out in Eastern Oregon. Once you start looking around like you'll start noticing ups obsidian ships that are on the ground, or you'll start noticing really unlike some places through a lot of Oregon through a lot of the the less developed less forested areas of Eastern Oregon there's there's a lot less erosion that's taken place natural erosion that's taking place over the last few 100 years, like over here on the west side of the coast with all the deciduous plant matter that comes up. There's a lot of turnover that seems to happen like a lot of the vegetation is going to end up hiding or over growing some of the older encampments or establishments that were made. I mean right now I'm in the Camus Valley. I'm in the Willamette Valley where the calapooia Indians were I'm sure out here in front of me in this big field out toward the Willamette River. There's tons of Indian artifacts, tons of old indian casts, but none of that's really visible because of all the deciduous organic material that's been developed over here. over the many hundreds of years since it's been that there was an Indian population in the area. Now what's interesting about Eastern Oregon is that because it's way more remote, there's very few people out there there's very few people to disturb a lot of things and really, sagebrush doesn't grow very fast. Things don't really move around very fast out there I was there I think maybe more than a decade ago and it was really almost the same as it is now very little has changed out there. You know, there's no new houses, no new development, maybe maybe a fence around the thing. That might be it. But I was really cool. So you get out to this area. You hike out to a spot then you can really see all over the crowd. It's just a ton of black obsidian shucks, these unworked pieces of black obsidian that were carried in by people and then dropped there at some point. And all these pieces were used, I think in the in the in the camp to chip out arrowheads and a ship out of the tools that they would use but it's really cool this tip ring is really the only rule there's a few TP rings like a few smattering of like piles of rocks this teepee ring was really the one that was that was the most established still, it was most upright still. And you wonder like how far back to these go like how far back to these, these stones that were laid into the ground go but they were using sort of like as a foundation for for the tent or the height of the teepee that they would have established there. And then they would, you know, work out of it. And they worked out of it on a bluff, and then they would look out over the, the hill to the Lake area. And yeah, I don't know, there's a whole system out there. But it's really amazing when you really start to, to come in and sort of understand the layout of the land and where people would sort of go. And it's very interesting man, surreal, really to get out. And like be in a spot like that, or sit in a spot sit in the center of the teepee ring where you know, there's people, other men 1000s of years ago, that were doing work and trying to survive out in really what is now a very harsh environment. And back then was still probably quite harsh, at least in the hundreds of years ago. But man, if you start going back 1000s of years, even a few 100 years ago, I guess 500 years ago, a lot of those dry lake areas out in Eastern Oregon really still had at least a marsh or at least a wetland or, or something like that. I mean like similar to summer Lake now you know, parts of the years drive parts of the year, it's filled with water. So it might be a quite a bit more like that now, but I think in the past, it was really 6:36 it was it was just accepted that there was going to be some amount of water in in the lake bed all year round, instead of it being you know, a dry lake bed. And I think it's I think it's supported by the watershed of a few creeks that are in the area. And and out in that area of Eastern Oregon, there's really, I don't think there's really that many, that many drainage is that really go all the way out toward the coast. So I think there's a few parts that are like land lack watersheds, where the water flows into an area and then and then kind of pulls up and makes a large lake there. And well, I know like there's the Klamath lake and then that runs out to the Klamath River. So that ends up getting out to the, to the ocean, but I don't know if like places like goose Lake, or, or just like these inland lake areas, I think they're just fed by the body of water. And I don't really know if a lot of that would actually get back out into the water cycle to head back out to the ocean, and then you know, come back up or something. So it's kind of interesting thinking about just some of the old watershed stuff that used to be out there, how populations used to try and try and work around all that, you know, like you go to a place like fort rock and you read some of the signs. And you look at how back in the Pleistocene area there, that whole region out there was part of, I think, what's called a Peruvian lake. It's like a prehistoric Pleistocene era lake that really took up a huge amount of land out in Central Oregon really what we think of now it's just a large desert area covered with sagebrush, there's really very few land features was actually just all underwater, the land feature of Fort rock that we've used visualize now, I think came about geologically, during the Pleistocene era, era before before the before the Ice Age, and probably a while back before that, but during that time, it was underwater, it was under a lake bed. And so that's where you get that formation is it was underwater, and then it kind of eroded around it this aquifer and lava or LA aquifer magmatic, I met at a certain time and made this big ring, this big guy. It's big fort rock style formation. And that's still what's out there now. But it's really amazing when you get out there and you go see it. And then you kind of start racking with the perspective that this all was once underwater. This is like an inland sea. And then after the ice age or before the Ice Age, there's some evidence of kind of, well, I don't know. Who knows. But there's evidence to show that the Clovis people, the closest tribes, which I think were the ones that at least in modern archaeology have been identified as the group that was first to come over the land bridge first to come into the Northwest and populate parts of the West Coast and into the south and onward and such. But I guess these club is people had had like a specific type of way of building their tools or stone tools that they would use and that's a bit of a way that you can track some things. If you do find an archaeological artifact, you can kind of identify by the technique used to build the stone tool. Like there's, there's different measures I think one of the oldest ones is look for is fluting. And that was a technique used by the Clovis people where they, they were sort of making an arrowhead or spear point really spear points I don't know if they had had flying bows and arrows at that time that far back but they they build these spear points, and they would flute the end the bottom of it. So like if you would imagine they would be kind of this concaved slope. That was those sort of dremeled out of the bottom base of the rock so that you could you could kind of fit that down in the center of a stick really and then and then wind that up. So you kind of make both ends kind of taper off to a point and then you would jam one end into the stick and then wrap it and then you know, put SAP on it or, or, you know, whatever you can do to fasten it down. But I guess that was one of the techniques that was used early on, and that's one of the things that they look for when they're trying to find really old populations in Oregon. Sometimes it's fluid and that doesn't always mean that it's really old though I suppose. But I guess there's like handfuls of different technical or technological generations of stone tool building out there and you can kind of tell a little bit but it's very fascinating stuff and man was it not amazing to get out there and to really recognize it, you know, I was around a natural human manmade, while a semi natural but man made artifact of a home or of an establishment that's as Oh, I don't know how old it is. Maybe it's as old as early Rome, late Rome who would know how old it is in comparison to Europe? I'm not really sure maybe it goes back even further than that. It seems like there's population and that area of Oregon for 1000s of years I think was it the pie you those out there could be different but I know the pie you 11:25 the pie you were south of that area. The pie you were in Lake County I think like through heart Mountain alvord Nevada the now here area all of that was piute. So maybe this was still in the pipe section. But I know that that really you know, like what we've noticed in the last few 100 years if you were to look at the changes of the map even within the United States over the last say take 600 years not even 7000 years think the last 600 years of the United States of America and then look at all the different maps that would be the territorial ranges of those people who ended up being in power during that time. It's really interesting to see and to kind of take note to how something that seems permanent or seems to have the nature of permanence in it when you speak about it like the that was the range of the pie you Indian well was it for 600 years or for that long did it move around? Did they have I don't know territorial engagements was it really that many of them were they there all the time? I don't know any of that information. So it's got an interesting when you sort of think about it, but it could have been any number of large groups of people that probably would have no idea they were called the pie you Indian. But all really very interesting stuff. And man was it so cool to get out there and see. See a real a teepee ring. It's really fun. It's one of the the cooler pieces of archaeological artifacts that I've run into. I mean, you know, you see Patrick glyphs, you see a lot of things, but really, you know, you were sitting in the home of someone that lived 1000s of years ago that lived out in the same place that that I do now. Yeah, really fascinating stuff, but had a blast going out there and getting to check it out. It was really, and I just I love I kind of love this stuff with the with the story with the background to it, where you kind of get to attach some thing that you recognize with it with, with what you get to talk about what you get to show with it. So I thought was really cool story. It was it was really fun to get out there and go see it. I remembered it from years ago. I think I'd seen it about 10 or 1112 years ago. And I think I tried to go back to it, but I didn't really see how to or where it was and I wasn't really sure it's not something on the map. 13:32 You can check out more information at Billy Numan photo comm you can go to Billy Numan photo.com forward slash support, if you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo.com forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 14:12 Data Management stuff that maybe we can talk about some other time. Like how to use hard drives, how many you need, how many backups you need, how to like re archive stuff, and probably just talk about like the Trump like because we're not experts, but just the trouble that we have of trying to sort out the hard drives that we have. And like where the data is, do we have duplicates over like I think you were talking about that today of the duplicate that you have. files in the archive? 14:37 Yeah, I've been putting together I'm also trying to get in shape for 2018 all my photo work for that year. So I've been putting together an archive of all my stuff. And yeah, I'm at that point where I really just have to weed out all the duplicates, but I have so many things. 14:53 Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely there to where there's so many different little parts of files that have been made from the original RAW file that was taken like the original photograph, there's so many derivatives of that that have come out of it over over time, especially if it was a photo that I like that I ranked highly, you know, and then I'd already exported, there's already copies of that as a JPEG, or some other like smaller web sized die, 15:16 I have a lot of different sizes. Yeah. And that's 15:19 the one that I'm trying to get through right now, I'm going to try and go through this catalog. And I'm going to try and sort it out so that I pull like the top few 1000 photos of the last decade, that are the raw files that I really want to be able to work on or get access to, or make new versions over prints over something, whatever that might be. But I just have access to kind of quickly or, you know, like, Oh, yeah, these are all the memories that I'm really after, I want those best versions of the files available to me. But a lot of us are noticing that, like it's really difficult to get to that given like the current archive structure that I have, where it's just all 100,000 photos that I have, yeah, I can't really get the stuff in the way that I need to. So I'm going to try and like figure that out where it's all the best stuff that I want to have with me, right now everything gets archived to the cloud, or to some some cold storage thing, or, you know, to some old hard drive that gets shut off or something but some some place where we get like everything stored there. And then really just like the last like year, or 18 months or so, and like the next six months or so is what I want to be able to, like keep on the harddrive that I'm working on. But we should talk about more like harddrive data stuff. As the year comes in a little bit closer. 16:30 Yeah, I know we're planning on. Or we're kind of in the process of changing around how hard drives are set up for stuff. 16:39 Yeah, we're trying to get I think a little bit bigger stuff because like right now I have a four terabyte hard drive here. That's the one that plugs in. And that one's been great for, like doing some storage stuff. But now like, you know, like the data rates, they just the cost comes down so much that you're able to get a really large size, large capacity, hard drive for not much money. And I think the like the the cost of that is a lot better than some of the cloud storage stuff. And just some of the efforts of trying to put something in the cloud, and then trying to pay to keep it there year after year after year. I'm really looking for a lot of these things that aren't really super important and super high priority to be able to put in some kind of cold storage thing like this, like what we're talking about, where we have a backup of it on a hard drive. That's kind of put aside that we don't have to worry about too much. But kind of like what we noticed, I think like with one of those burned out cables, it's in the trash right now. Is a signal a signal of is that hard drives go bad sometimes, like the hard drive, that we had that portable one where it burned out of the USB port. 17:36 Right? It's terrible. Yeah, yeah. There's nothing on 17:40 it. Yeah. So that Well, yeah. And yeah, he's not backed up. So yeah, that's the thing. There's a back so it would be terrible if you know, one of these hard drives went where it was the like the soul, the soul House of all of the data that we have, especially like all like the decade of photographs that we made and stuff. So I'm really trying to be conscious of trying to keep those in multiple places at the same time. So we've done an effort to put those up on the on like a cloud storage service, which has been okay. But I think it's like, it's not the best version of those files. If I understand, right, it's like a JPEG version. There's a few limitations are added if I understood, right, but it's, it's okay, no, no, we'll try and put a bunch of stuff up on the prime photos service like that. 18:25 I was gonna ask which, which services you're using right now? 18:29 Yeah. But amazon prime cloud services is what I'm trying to use for the photo storage. And they have like unlimited photo uploads for a lot of stuff. And we put up a lot of stuff on that, but you can't keep you have to make it current. There's all this stuff from 2016 and 2017. That wasn't really part of that. And so I need to upload all of that content. I've been in the cloud. 18:51 Sure. Yeah. You just have to keep keep adding to it. Yeah, I 18:55 have to keep that keep some stuff saying Tim, I think he will still there's there's a lot of gaps within like 2015 and 14. And that's all just stuff that we can file ourselves but, but stuff that didn't make it up originally. And so now that I have like this, this like new catalog, like so what I would say before I get out of myself, what I did this weekend is that Yeah, I took the hard drives had this one terabyte hard drive that I use is like my portable drive that's like my storage and stuff like the tank that I have with my laptop when I'm in my bag out on the road. And then as all my photos on it, and it's really just a copy of like the whole photo archive for a long time. But what I've been wanting to do is update that for 2017. Take every photograph I have every JPG DNG file any any RAW file or photo file that I have on my computer on any amount of drives, I want to try and condense that down into one set of files that are organized in some way. And so I wanted to use Lightroom to do that since Lightroom. And its back and when it when it brings in files, it'll bring in files from one hard drive and then write them into a new file architecture on another hard drive. And so I tried to take I tried to take everything and I backed it up into the four terabyte hard drive. And then I brought everything back over. And I filtered it through Lightroom. So that I could get everything put into a new file architecture that matched by by like month and date and year of the file date. And most most of the metadata is correct. But like, you know, Marina, like a lot of the metadata for whatever weird camera or whatever set of film that we had that was scanned by some computer that never had its clock set, and still says 2002. There's all sorts of stuff that has the wrong metadata date, where it shows up, like when my d3 battery died, and instead it was 2007 in February, again, because I was the first date that that computer knew in that camera, and just reverted to that date again. 20:48 So first, 20:51 so it's Miss, it's Miss dated, but it's really fine for most cases. So I was able to bring all this photos back over, I put a new collection together, it was about 500 gigabytes or so. And then it was able to transfer that back over to the to the larger drive. And then the plan is to wipe the go drive, the one that I have with me all the time. And and then bring back over like I was talking about at the beginning, like the top few 1000 photos, and then everything that I'm kind of currently working on for this year. And last year, so there goes a heat, bang, bang, bang, bang sounds like hammers on a pipe, it really does every time exactly what it sounds I never get used to like when it comes into in the fall, and then start popping. It's pretty funny all through the winter, all through spring. styling is like in the 70s. late May. But, but yeah, so we're trying to do like this collection of archiving all these photos, and trying to organize it together. And it's been a fine process so far, but like trying to get your harddrive straightened out, especially when you're a little short on space, because you sort of wait until you start to organize your harddrive until, until you're running low on space and you're like Oh man, I gotta do something, I gotta move these files around so I can kind of get by so and that's what I was running into problems with to where like every hard drive was starting to get full and I go, Oh man, I gotta get like a new hard drive. And like we were just talking about hard drives go bad, especially portable ones, especially the spinning disk drives like the mac book I have now that's an SSD, the solid state systems are going to last a lot longer than the spinning disk disk mechanisms because that magnetic spinning disk plate is going to mechanically fail after some number of miles of revolutions that makes that the motor does that the solid state system has the advantage because there's no moving parts, it's just electricity. And so it's really conceivable that there's really no finite point that that drive will fail. Like most thumb drives or something optical media, it's kind of like thought that that's going to burn out after 20 or 30 years, you're not really even going to be able to use the disk as it's stored unless it's stored like a good condition. But thumb drives and other like solid state media. If if the ROM doesn't lose whatever data was on it, it's likely that you know it'd still be readable if it was damaged. So it's kinda interesting, like how different types of interesting and 23:13 what's not. Yeah. 23:19 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the back end

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SUMMARY: In this weeks podcast, we talk with Dr Reid Wilson.  Reid discussed how to get your them out of the way and play the moment-by moment game.  Reid shares his specific strategies for managing mental compulsion. You are not going to want ot miss one minute of this episode. Covered in This Episode: Getting your Theme out of the way The importance of shifting your additude Balancing “being aggressive” and implementing mindfulness and acceptance How to play the “moment by moment” game Using strategy to achieve success in recovery OCD and the 6-moment Game Other tactics for Mental compulsions Links To Things I Talk About: Reid's Website anxieties.com https://www.youtube.com/user/ReidWilsonPhD?app=desktop DOWNLOAD REID's WORKBOOK HERE  Episode Sponsor: This episode of Your Anxiety Toolkit is brought to you by CBTschool.com.  CBTschool.com is a psychoeducation platform that provides courses and other online resources for people with anxiety, OCD, and Body-Focused Repetitive Behaviors.  Go to cbtschool.com to learn more. Spread the love! Everyone needs tools for anxiety... If you like Your Anxiety Toolkit Podcast, visit YOUR ANXIETY TOOLKIT PODCAST to subscribe free and you'll never miss an episode. And if you really like Your Anxiety Toolkit, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (maybe even two). EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION This is Your Anxiety Toolkit - Episode 286. Welcome back, everybody. I am so excited. You guys, we are on number five of this six-part series, and this six-part series on Managing Mental Compulsions literally has been one of the highlights of my career. I am not just saying that. I'm just flooded with honor and pride and appreciation and excitement for you. All the feedback has been incredible. So many of you have emailed me or reached out to me on social media just to let me know that this is helping you. And to be honest with you, I can't thank you enough because this has been something I've wanted to do for so long and I've really felt that it's so needed. And it's just been so wonderful to get that feedback from you. So, thank you so much. The other plus people I want to be so grateful for are the guests. Each person has brought their special magic to how to manage mental compulsions. And you guys, the thing to remember here is managing mental compulsions is hard work, like the hardest of hard work. And I want to just honor that it is so hard and it is so confusing and it's such a difficult thing to navigate. And so, to have Jon talking about mental compulsions and mindfulness and Shala talking about her lived experience and flooding, and Dr. Jonathan Grayson talking about acceptance last week. And now, we have the amazing Reid Wilson coming on and sharing his amazing strategies and tools that he uses with his patients with mental rumination, mental compulsions, mental rituals. Literally, I can't even explain it. It's just joy. It's just pure joy that I get to do this with you and be on this journey with you. I'm going to do this quick. So, I'll just do a quick introduction. We do have Dr. Reid Wilson here. Now we've had Reid on before. Every single guest here, I just consider such a dear friend. You're going to love this episode. He brings the mic drops. I'm not going to lie. And so, I do hope that you squeeze every little bit of juice out of this episode. Bring your notepad, get your pen, you're going to need it, and enjoy. Again, have a beautiful day. As I always say, it is a beautiful day to do hard things. Let's get onto the show. Kimberley: I am thrilled to have you, Dr. Reid Wilson. Reid: Thanks. Glad to be here. Kimberley: Oh my goodness. Okay. I have been so excited to ask you these questions. I am just jumping out of my skin. I'm so really quite interested to hear your approach to mental compulsions. Before we get started, do you call them mental compulsions, mental rituals, mental rumination? How do you-- Reid: Sure. All of the above doesn't matter to me. I just don't call it “pure obsessions, pure obsessionals” because I think that's a misnomer, but we can't seem to get away from that. Kimberley: Can you maybe quickly share why you don't think we can get away from that? Do you want to maybe-- we'd love to hear your thoughts on that. We haven't addressed that yet in the podcast. Reid: Well, typically, we would call-- people write to me all the time and probably do that too, say, “I'm a pure obsessional.” Well, that's ridiculous. Nobody's a pure obsessional. What it really is, is I have obsessions and then I have mental compulsions. And so, it's such a misnomer to be using that term. But what I mean is, how we can't get away from it is it's just gotten so completely in the lexicon that it would take a lot of effort to try to expel the term. Getting the them out of the way Kimberley: Okay. Thank you for clearing that up, because that's like not something we've actually addressed up until this time. So, I'm so grateful you brought that up. So, I have read a bunch of your staff. I've had you on the show already and you're a very dear friend. I really want to get to all of the main points of your particular work. So, let's talk first about when we're managing mental compulsions. We'll always be talking about that as the main goal, but tell me a little bit about why the theme, we've got to get out of the way of that. Reid: Right. And my opinion is this is one of the most important things for us to do and the most difficult thing to accomplish. It's really the first thing that needs to be accomplished, which is we have to understand. And you're going to hear me say this again. This is a mental health disorder and it's a significant disorder. And if we don't get our minds straight about what's required to handle it, we're going to get beaten down left and right. So, of course, the disorder comes into the mind as something very specific. Focusing on the specific keeps us in the territory of the disorders control. So, we need to understand this is a disorder of uncertainty. This is a disorder of uncertainty that brings distress. So, we have that combination of two things. If we're going to treat the disorder, we cannot bring our focus on our theme. But the theme is very ingrained in everyone.  I talk about signal versus noise, and this is how I want to help people make that transition, which is of course, for all of us in all humanity, every worry comes into the prefrontal cortex as a signal. And we very quickly go, “Oh yeah, well, that's not important. I don't need to pay attention to that.” And we turn it over to noise and let go of it and keep going. With OCD, the theme, the topic, the checking, and all the mental rituals that we do are perceived and locked down as signals. And if we don't convert them into noise, we are stuck.  What I want the client to do is to treat the theme as nothing, and that is a big ask. And not only do we have to treat the theme as nothing, we have to treat it as nothing while we are uncertain, whether it's nothing or not. So, in advance of an obsession popping up, we really need to dig down during a no problem time and get clear about this. And then we do want to figure out a way to lock that down, which includes “I'm going to act as though this is nothing,” and it has to be accomplished like that. Go ahead. Kimberley: No. And would you do the same for people, let's say if they had social anxiety or health anxiety, generalized anxiety? Would you also take the theme out of it? Reid: Absolutely. But if the theme is in the way, then we need to problem-solve that. So, if we go to health anxiety, okay, I've got a new symptom, some pain in the back of my head that I've never had before. I have to decide, am I going to go into the physician and have it checked out or am I not? Or am I going to wait a few days and then do it? With that kind of anxiety and fear around health, we have to get closure around “I don't need to do anything about this.” Sometimes I use something called “postponing.” So, with social anxiety, it can-- I mean, with health anxiety, it can work really well to go, “Well, I'm having this new symptom, do I have to immediately go in and see the physician and get it checked out? Can I wait 24 hours? Yes, I can. I've already been diagnosed with health anxiety. So, I know I get confused about this stuff. So, I'm going to wait 24 hours.” So, what does that give us then? Now I have 24 hours to treat the obsession as nothing because I don't need to focus on it. I've already decided, if I'm still worried tomorrow, I'm making an appointment, we're going in. That gives me the opportunity to work on this worry as an obsession because I've already figured it out. The reason we want to do that so diligently is we have to go up one level of abstraction up to the disorder itself. And that's why we have to get off of this to come up here and work on this. Kimberley: This is so good. And you would postpone, use that same skill for all the themes as well? I'm just wanting to make sure so people clarify. Reid: Well, sure. I mean, postponing is a tactic. I wouldn't say we can do postponing across the board because some people have-- it really depends on what the obsession is and what the thinking ritual is as to whether we can use it. But it's one of them that can be used. Shifting your attitude  Kimberley: Amazing. Tell me about-- I mean, that requires a massive shift in attitude. Can you share a little bit about that? Reid: Yeah. And if you think about-- I use that term a lot around attitude, but we've got some synonyms in attitude. What is my disposition toward this? Have I mentioned mental health disorder? What do I want my orientation to be? How do I want to focus on it? And we want to think about really attitude as technique, as skill set. So, what we know is the disorder wants some very specific things from us. It wants us to be frightened by that topic. It wants us to have that urge to get rid of it and have that urge to get rid of it right now. And so, that begins to give us a sense of what is required to get better. And that again is up here.  So, why do you do mental counting? Why do you do rehearsal mentally? Why do you try to neutralize through praying? When you look at some of those, the functions of some of those or compulsions and urge to do the compulsions, it is to fill my mind so I don't get distracted again, it is to reassure myself, it is to make sure everything is going to be okay. It is to get certain. And so, when we know that that is the drive of the disorder, we begin to see, what do we need to do broadly in general? And that is, I need to actually operate paradoxically. If it needs me to do this, feel this, think this, I'm going to do everything I can to manipulate that pattern and do the opposite. It wants me to take this theme seriously, I'm going to work on-- and really it has to be said like that. I'm going to work on not taking it seriously. So, that's the shift. If we can get a sense of the attitude and the principles that go along with all of that, then moment by moment, we'll know what to do in those moments. Do you need to be aggressive with OCD and intrusive thoughts?  Kimberley: We've had guests talking about mindfulness and we will have Lisa Coyne talking about act and Jon Grayson talking about acceptance, and you really talk more about being aggressive. How do you feel about all of those and where do they come together, or where are they separate? How would you apply these different tools for someone with mental compulsions? Reid: Yeah, sure. Mindfulness is absolutely a skill set that we need to have. Absolutely. We are trying to get perspective. We're trying to get some distance. We would like to detach. That's what we're trying to do. But what are we trying to be mindful of? We're trying to be mindful of the belief that this topic is important. We're trying to be mindful of the need to ritualize that is created by the theme. So, the end game is mindfulness and detachment. That's where we're going. My opinion is, the opening gambits, the opening moves, it's very difficult to go from a frightened, terrified, scared, and slide over to neutral and detached. It's just difficult.  And so, I think initially, we need to be thinking about a more aggressive approach, which is I'm going to go swing in this pendulum from, “I can't stand this, this is awful.” I'm going to swing over right past mindfulness over to this more aggressive stance of, “I want this, let's get going. I'm taking this theme on.” The aggressiveness is a determination of my commitment to do the work.  And here's the paradox of it. I'm going to address on the disorder by sitting back. My action is to go, “I'm okay. This is all right.” And that's a mindful place to get to. But you have to know we're going after this big, aggressive bully, and it requires an intense amount of determination and you have to access your determination over and over and over again. You don't just get determined and it's steady. So, we just got to keep getting back to that. “No, no, I want to do this work. I want to get my outcome picture. I want to have my mind back. I want to go back to school. I want to be able to connect with my family in a loving way, with having one-third of my mind distracted. I want that back very strongly. And therefore, If I have to go through this work to get there, I want to go through this work.” We can maybe talk more about what that whole message of “I want this” means, but here it is, which is, “I want this” is a kind of determination that's going to help drive the work. Kimberley: Yeah. Let's go there because that is so important. So, tell me about “I want this.” Tell me about why that is so important. So, you've talked about “I want to get better and I want to overcome this,” and so forth. Tell me more about the “I want this comfort.” Reid: Well, let's think about-- you really only have two choices in terms of your reaction to any present moment, either I want this moment, so I'm present to this moment, or I don't want this moment. It's very simple in that way. When I don't want this moment, I'm now resisting this present moment. And what that means practically speaking is, now I've taken part of my consciousness, part of my mind that is available for the treatment and I've parked it. I've taken it offline and actually provoking myself, sticking myself with, “Are you sure you want to do this? Is this really safe? Don't you think-- maybe we could do this later and not now.” So, there's a big drive to resist that we need to be aware of. Have I mentioned this yet? This is a mental health disorder that is very tough to treat. I want 100% of my mental capacities available to do the treatment. I'll never have all of that because I'm always going to have some form of resistance, but I need to get that resistant part of me on the sideline not messing with me, and then let me go forward all like that.  One of the confusions sometimes people get around this work when I talk about it is it's not, “Oh, I want to have another obsession right now,” or “I want to have an urge to do my compulsion right now. I want that.” No. What we're talking about is a present moment. So, if my obsession pops up, if it pops up, I want it. If I'm having that urge to do my compulsion, I want it. And why is that? Because we have to go through it to get to the other side. I have to be present to both the obsessions and the urges to do the compulsions in order to do the treatment. So, that's the aggressive piece. “Come on, bring it on. Let's get going. I'm scared of this.” Of course, I don't want-- Kimberley: I'm just going to ask. Reid: I don't want to feel it. I don't want to, but I'm clear that to do the treatment, it requires me to go through the eye of the needle. If you're like I am, there's plenty of days when you don't want to go to the gym. You don't really want to work out or sometimes you don't even want to go to bed as early as you should, but if we want the outcome of that good rest, that workout, then we manifest that in the moment and get moving. We're disrupting a pattern. When I talked about postponing, it's a disruption of this major pattern. If we insert postponing into these obsessions and mental compulsions are impulsive, I have that obsession and I pretty immediately have that urge to do the compulsion. And then I begin doing my mental compulsion. If we slide something in there, that's what mindfulness does go, “Oh, there it is again. Oh, I'm doing it.” Even if you can't sustain that, you've just modified for a few moments, the pattern that you've had no control over. So, that's where we want to be going. And you know how I sometimes say it is, my job is to-- as the client is to purposely choose voluntarily to go toward what scares the bejesus out of me. I don't know if you have bejesus over there in California, but in North Carolina, we got bejesus, and you got to go after it. Kimberley: I think in California, it's more of a non-kind word. Reid: Ah, yes. Okay. Well, we won't even spell it. The Moment By Moment Game  Kimberley: That's okay. So, I have questions. I have so many. When you're talking about this moment, are you talking about your way of saying the moment-by-moment game? Is that what you're talking about? Tell me about the moment-to-moment game. Reid: Sure. I'm sure people hearing this the first time would go, “Well, don't be-- you've lost rapport with me now because you called it a game.” But I've been doing this for 35 years, so it's not like I am not aware of the suffering that goes on here. The only reason to call it a game is simply to help structure our treatment approach. Kimberley: That's interesting, because I think of a game as like you're out to win. There's a score. That's what I think of when I-- Reid: That's what this is. That is actually what this is.  OCD and the 6 Moment Game  Kimberley: I don't think of it as a game like Ring A Rosie kind of stuff. I think of it as like let's pull our socks up kind of stuff. Is that what you're referring to? Reid: We've got this mental game that we are-- we've been playing this game and always losing. So, we're already engaged in it. We're just one down and on the losing end, on the victim end. So, when I talk about it as moment by moment, I want to have, like we've been talking about, this understanding of these sets of principles about what needs to happen. It wants me to do this, I'm going to do the opposite, this is paradoxical and so forth. And then we need to manifest it moment by moment. So, how do we do this? I will really talk about six moments and I'll quickly go through the first three because the first three moments are none of our business. We can't do anything about them.  So, moment #1 is just an unconscious stimulus of the obsession, and that's all. That's all it is. Moment #2 is that obsession popping up. And moment #3 is my fear reaction to the obsession because obsessions are frightening by their construct. And so, now I've got those three moments. As I'm saying, we can't do anything about those three moments. These three moments are unconsciously mediated. They are built right on into the neurology.  Now we've got in my view three more moments. So, moment #4 is really the foundation of what we do now, what we do next, which is a mindful response. And it is just stepping back in the moment. Suddenly the obsession comes up and I'm anxious and I'm worried about it and I'm having the urge to do the compulsion. And what I want to train myself to do, which can take a little time sometimes, is when I hear my obsession pop up. The way I just described it right there is already a stepping back. When I recognize that I've started to obsess and sometimes it takes a while to even recognize it, I want to step back in that moment and just name it. They have that expression, “Name it to tame it.” So, it's the start of that. So, I'm stepping back in that moment going, “Oh, I'm doing it again,” or, “Oh, there it is.” Now, the way I think about it, if I can do that and just step back and name it, I just won that moment because I just inserted myself. I insinuated myself into the pattern. OCD doesn't want you anywhere near this at this moment. It doesn't want you to be labeling the obsession an obsession. It wants you to be naming the fearful topic of it. So, I'm going to step back in that moment. And if I can accomplish that, great, I've won that moment.  If I can go further in that moment, of course, in the end, we want to be able to do that, moment #5 is taking the position of, “I'm treating this as nothing. There is my obsession. I'm treating it as nothing.” And there's all kinds of things you can say to yourself that represent that. “This is none of my business. Oh, there it is trying to go after me. Not playing. I'm not playing this game.” Because it really is a game that the disorder has created. And what we're saying is, “Look, I'm not playing your game anymore. I'm playing my game. And this is what my game looks like.” I'm going to notice it when it pops up, the obsession and the urge to do my compulsion, and I'm going to go, “Not playing,” whatever way I say it.  And then moment #6, and this is a controversial moment for others. Moment #6, I'm going to turn away from it. I'm going to just redirect my attention, because this is nothing, but it's drawing my attention. I'm going to treat it as nothing by engaging in some other thought or action that I can find. And even if I can refocus my attention for eight seconds, even if it pops right back up again like, “Where are you going? This is important. You need to pay attention to it,” even if I turn away for eight seconds, I've won that moment because I'm no longer responding to this over here.  Now, why I say this is controversial for some folks is it sounds like distraction. It sounds like, “Oh, you're not doing exposure. You're just telling the person to distract themselves. And that's opposite of what we want to be doing.” I don't see it that way.  Kimberley: No, I don't either. I think it's healthy to engage in life.  Reid: And if we think about, what we're really trying to do is to sit with a generic sense of uncertainty, then this allows us to do it because, in essence, the obsession is a kind of question that is urging you to answer. And when you turn away, engage in something else, you are leaving that question on the table. And that is exposure to pure uncertainty. I just feel like in our field, in exposure, we're doing so much to ask people to expose themselves to the specifics and drill down about that as a way to change neurology. And we know that's really the gold standard based on all the research that has been done. But I think it really adds a degree of distress focusing on that specific that maybe we can circumvent.  Kimberley: Do you see a place for the exposure in some settings? I mean, you're talking about being aggressive with it. Does that ever involve, like you said, staring your fear in the face purposely? Reid: Well, yeah. And how do you do that? Well, what you do is you either structure or spontaneously step into circumstances that would tend to provoke the obsession. So, do something that I've been avoiding for fear that thought is going to come up or anything that I have been blocking or avoiding out of fear of having the obsession or anything that tends to provoke the obsession. I want to step into those scenes. So, step into the scene, but the next move isn't like, “Okay, come on obsessions. I need to have an obsession now.” No. If you step into the scene that typically you have an obsession with and you don't have the obsession, well, that's cool. That's fine. That's progress. That's great. Now you got to find something else to step into it with. However, most people with thinking rituals, it goes on most of the day anyway. So, we're going to have a naturalistic exposure just living the day.  Kimberley: The day is the exposure. Reid: And for people who are structuring it and you know you're about to step into a scene where you have the obsession, you can, in that way, be prepared to remind yourself, cue yourself ahead of time what your intention is. The more difficult practice is moving through your day and then getting caught by it. So, you get caught by it and then you start digging to fix the content and it takes a little more time to go, “Oh, I'm doing it again.” We're doing exposure. This is exposure. You have to do exposure. I'm just saying that there's a different way to do it instead of sitting down and conjuring up the obsession in order to sit with the distress of the specific. Kimberley: I'm going to ask you a question that I haven't asked the others, just because it's coming up specifically for me. Some clients or some of my therapist clients have reported, “Okay, we're doing good. We're doing good. We're not doing the mental compulsion.” And the obsession keeps popping up. “Come on, just a little. Come on, let's just work it out.” And they go, “No, no, no, not engaging in you.” And then it comes back up. “No, no, no, not engaging in you.” And much of the time is spent saying, “Not today, not today,” or whatever terminology. And then they become concerned that instead of doing mental compulsions, they're just spending the whole time saying, “Not today, not today.” And they're getting concerned. That's becoming compulsive as well. So, what would you say? Are you feeling like that's a great technique? Where would you intervene if not? Reid: Well, I think it's fine if it is working like we're describing it, which is not today, turning away, engaging in something else. So, we've got to be careful around this “not today” thing if you forget to do-- Kimberley: The thing Reid: Moment #6, which is find something else to be engaged in. Then you're going to be-- it's almost, again, you're trying to neutralize, “Oh, this is nothing.” So, we want to make sure that we really complete the whole process around that. And the other way that we-- again, mindfulness and acceptance, the way we can get to it is we have the expression of front burner and back burner. So, we want to take the obsessiveness and the urges and just move them to the back burner, which means they can sit there, they can try to distract you, they can try to pull your attention. So, here you are at work and you're really trying to do right by the disorder, but you're trying to work, and it's still coming over here trying to get to you. You're going to be a little distracted. You're not going to be performing your work quite as well as you would if your mind were clear. And that is the risk that you need to take. That is the price that you need to pay. And that's why you need to have that determination and that perspective to be able to say, “Geez, this is hard. This is what I need to be doing.” You have to talk to yourself. You have to. We talk to ourselves all day long. This is thinking, thinking, thinking. So, we know people with thinking rituals are talking about the urges and so forth. And we've got to redirect how we talk about it in the moment. Kimberley: Okay. So good. What I really want to hear about is your ideas around rules.  Reid: Sure. And again, nobody seems to talk about rules. I'm a very big component or a proponent of rules. And here's one reason. What are thinking rituals all about? It's all about thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. What do we need to do in the treatment strategy? Well, first off, the disorder is compelling me to fill my mind with thoughts in order to feel safe. I need to come up with a strategy and tactics that reduce my thinking. Then if I don't reduce my thinking, I'm not going to get stronger. One of the ways to reduce my thinking is to say, “I don't need to think about this anymore. I've already figured out what I need to do.” So, during no problem times, during therapeutic times, whether you're sitting with your therapist or figuring this out on your own, you come up with literally what we've been talking about, “What I need to do when an obsession takes place? And then here's what I'm going to do next.” Kimberley: So, you're making decision-- Reid: I'm going to turn my attention. I'm sorry, go ahead. Make Decisions Ahead of Time Kimberley: Sorry. You're making decisions ahead of time. Is that what you mean? Reid: Absolutely. You're making decisions. This is rules of engagement. So, we're not talking about having to get really specific moment by moment. We're talking about thinking rituals. So, it's rules of engagement. Well, simply put, initially, the rule of engagement has to do with those six moments we talked about, which is, okay, when this pops up, this is how I'm going to respond to it. So, we want to have that. All that we've talked about decide that ahead of time. And then as I would say, lock it down, lock it down. And now the part of you who is victim to the disorder, when the obsessiveness starts again, when the urge to do the compulsion starts again, I want to have all of me stand behind the rules, because if we don't have predetermined rules, what is going to run the day? What's going to win the day? What's going to win the day in the moment is the disorder shows up. The victim side, the victim to the disorder is also going to show up and it's going to say, those rules that I was talking about before, “This seems like a bad idea. I don't think in this circumstance that's the right thing to do.” So, if we don't lock it down and we don't have a hierarchy, which is, what I was saying, we're not killing off the side of us that gets obsessive and is being controlled by the disorder. But we are elevating the therapeutic voice, “I'll do that again with my hands.”  This is a zero-sum game. So, if I bring my attention to what I've declared what I need to do now, then by default, my attention toward that messages of my threatened self are going to diminish. And this is what I've been talking about with you around determination. You have to be so determined, because it's so tantalizing. Even if they say this isn't going to take me very long to complete this mental ritual, and then it'll be off my plate, and I won't have to be scared about the outcome of not doing this, why wouldn't I do that? So, that's what we're really competing against in those moments of engagement. Thinking Strategically Kimberley: Right. So good. I'm so grateful for what you're sharing. Okay. I want to really quickly touch on, and I think you have, but I want to make sure I'm really clear in terms of thinking strategically. It sounds like everything you just said is a part of that thinking strategic model. I love the idea that you come into the day, having made your decisions upfront with the rules. You've got a plan, you know the steps in the moment. Thinking strategically, tell me if that's what that is or if there's something we've got to add to it. Reid: Yeah. So, yes, all that you just said is that, that we're understanding the principles of treatment based on the principles of what the disorder has intended for us. And then we're trying to manifest those principles in, how do we act in the moment? How do we engage in that in the moment? The other thing we want to think about in terms of how I think about strategic treatment is we're looking for the pattern and messing with the pattern. So, I talked earlier about postponing. We insert postponing into the pattern. It's much easier to add something to a pattern than to try to pull something away. So, if we add postponing or add that beat where I go, “Oh, there's my obsession,” now we're starting to mess with the pattern. I'll give you a couple of-- these are really tactics. Let me tell you about a couple of others and these seem surprisingly ridiculous. Okay, maybe not surprisingly ridiculous.  Kimberley: Appropriately ridiculous.  Reid: I'm sure you experience this. I experience a lot where people go, “Look, I'd love to do what you're saying, but these obsessions are just pounding away at me all day long. I can't interrupt them. I can't do it.” What I would like people to be focused on is, what can we do to make keeping the ritual, keeping the obsession more difficult than letting it go? So, we talked about postponing. That doesn't quite do what I'm saying right now. One of the things I'll have people do is to sing it. I know, and I'm not going to demonstrate. Kimberley: Please. I will.  Reid: And here's what you do. If I can't stop my obsessions, I can't park them, then when I notice – there's moment #4 – when I notice my obsessions-- and we can do this in a time-limited-- I'm a cognitive therapist, so we do behavioral experiment. So, we can just do an experiment. We can go, “Okay, for the next three days, three weeks, three hours, whatever we decide, anytime I notice the obsession coming up, instead of saying it urgently and anxiously in my mind, I must sing it.” It just means lilting my voice. “Oh my gosh, how am I ever going to get through this? I don't count the tiles on the ceiling. I'm not sure I can really handle what's going to happen next. Oh my gosh, I feel so anxious about--” you see why I don't demonstrate. Kimberley: Encore, encore. Reid: SO, it's just lilting the voice like that. A couple of things are going on. One is obviously we're disrupting the pattern. But just as important, who in their right mind, having a thought that is threatening, would sing it? So, simply by singing my obsession instead of stating it, I'm degrading the content, I'm degrading the topic. And so, that's why I would do it. And again, that's what we were saying. You got to lock it down. You got to go signal versus noise. This is noise. It's acceptable to me to be doing this. This is very difficult. With such a short period of time, I don't drill that home as much as I might. This is really, really hard, but it is an intervention. So, singing it is one thing that I will sometimes have some people do. And the other one is to write it down. And this means literally carrying a notepad with you and a pen throughout your day. And anytime your obsession starts to pop up, you pull that notepad out and you start writing your obsession. And I'm not saying put it in an organized paragraph fashion or a bulleted list or anything like that. We're talking about stenographer in the courtroom. I want to, in that moment, when I start obsessing, to step back, pull out my notepad, because I said for the next three days, I'm going to do this, and then I'm going to write every single thing that's popping up in my mind.  Kimberley: So, it'd be like, “What if you want to kill her? You might want to kill her. There's a knife. I noticed a knife. Do I want to kill her with a knife? Am I a bad person?” Reid: Oh, it's harder than that. It's harder than that, Kimberley, because you're not only saying, “Do I want to kill her? There's the knife. Oh, what did I just say?” Now I got to write, “Oh, what did I just say? Oh, the knife. Oh, the knife. Do I want to kill her with the knife?” So, every utterance, we're not saying every utterance. And so, there's going to be a message of, “Did I just say that right? Now I can't remember what I said. Damn it, damn it.” All of that. Now, again, a couple of things are happening. I'm changing modes of communication. The disorder wants me to do this by thinking. You and I know, you can have an obsessive thought a thousand times in a day. You can't write it a thousand times. So, now we're switching from the mode of communication that serves the disorder to a mode of communication that disrupts it. And if I really commit myself to writing this, after a while, now I'm at a choice point. Now when obsession pops up later and I go, “Oh, I'm obsessing again. Well, I can either start writing it,” or “Maybe I can just let it go right now because I don't want to write it. It's just so much work. Okay, let me go distract myself.” So, all of a sudden, we've done exposure and response prevention without the struggle, because I don't want to do what I have agreed to do locked down, which is write this.  So, it empowers. Writing it, just like singing it, empowers me to release it, especially people with thinking rituals. The whole idea of using postponing around the rituals, singing the obsession if I need to, writing down the obsession as tactics to help break things up, and then just keep coming back to what's our intention here. This is a mental health disorder. I keep getting sucked into the topic. I don't think I can-- here's I guess the last thing I would say on my end is, this is it, which is, I don't know if this is going to work. I don't know how painful whatever is coming next is going to be by not doing my ritual. I am going to have faith. I mean, this is what happens. You have to have faith and a belief in something and someone outside of your mind, because your mind is contaminated and controlled by the disorder. You can't keep going up into your thinking and try to figure out how to get out of this wet paper bag. You're just not-- you can't. So, you got to have faith and trust. And that's a giant leap too. Because initially, when we do treatment with people, however we do it, they've got to be doing something they don't know is going to be helpful.  When people start doing the singing thing or the writing down thing, for instance, after a while, they go, “Wow, that really worked. Okay, I'm going to do that some more.” And that's what we need. Initially, you just have to have faith and experiment. That's why we like to do short experiments. I don't say, “Hey, do this over the next 12 weeks and you'll get better.” I go, “Look, I know you think this over here, I'm thinking it's this over here. How about we structure something for the next X number of minutes, hours, days, and just see what you notice if you can feel like you can afford to do that.”  Kimberley: So good. I've just got one question and then I'm going to let you go. I'm going to first ask my question and then I want you to explain, tell us about your course. When you sing the song, I usually have my staff sing it to a song they know, like Happy Birthday or Auld Lang Syne, whatever it may be. You are saying just up and down, “No, no, no,” that kind of thing. Is there a reason for that? Reid: Well, I don't want people to have to make a rhyme. I don't want them to have to-- Kimberley: It's just for the sake of it. Reid: I'm totally fine with what you're saying. Okay, I'm going to-- you can figure it out. It's like going, “Okay, anytime I hear my obsession come up, I'm going to make my obsession the voice of Minnie Mouse. So, I'm going to degrade it by having to be a little mouse on my shoulder, anything to degrade it.” If you've got to set little songs or you ask your client what they would put it to, then yeah. And then in the session, we're talking about the therapist, demonstrate it and have them practice it with you in order to get it. Kimberley: Right. I've even had clients who are good at accents, like do it in different accents. They bring out-- Reid: You've got a good one. You're really practicing that Australian accent. Kimberley: Very. I practiced for many years to get this one. All right. You talk about the six-moment game. I've had the joy of having taken that course. Can you tell us if that's what you want to tell us about, about where people can hear about you and all the good stuff you've got? Reid: Sure. Well, I would start with just saying anxieties.com. It's anxieties, plural, .com. And that's my website, a free website. It's got every anxiety disorder and OCD. You've got written instruction around how to do some of the work that we're talking about. And then I've got tons of free video clips that people can watch and learn a bunch of stuff. I laid out, in the last two years, a four-hour course, and I filmed it. And so, it is online now. I take people all the way through what I call OCD & the 6-Moment Game: Strategies and Tactics, because I want to empower people in that way. So, I talk about all the stuff that you and I are rushing over right now. It's got a full written transcript as an eBook, a PDF eBook. I've got a workbook that lets people figure out how to do these practices on their own. All of that. In fact, you can get-- I can't say how to get it at this moment. Maybe you can post something, I don't know. But I will give anybody the workbook, that's 37 pages, and it takes you through a bunch of stuff. No cost to you, send it to anybody else you want.  So, I feel like that, first off, we don't have enough mental health professionals to treat the people with mental health disorders in this world today. And so, we need to find delivery systems. That will help reach more people. And I believe in Stepped Care. And Stepped Care is a protocol, both in physical medicine and in mental health, which says that first step of Stepped Care and treatment is self-help. And I call it self-help treatment, because the first step is relatively inexpensive, empowering the patient or the client, and giving them directions about how to get stronger. And a certain percentage of people, that will be enough for them. And so, all of us who have written self-help books and so forth, that's our intention. And now, I'm trying to go one step beyond self-help books to be able to have video that gives people more in-depth.  What I want is for that first step, the principles that are in that first step, go up to the next step. So, if a self-help course or a book or whatever is not sufficient to finish the work, then you go up one level to maybe a self-help group or a therapeutic group and work further there. And if you can't complete your work, then go up the next step, which is individual treatment, the next step, which is intensive outpatient treatment, the next step, mixture medications, and so forth. And so, if we can carry a set of principles up, then everybody's on the same page and you're not starting all over again. So, I focus on step one. I'm a simple guy. Kimberley: I'm focused on step one too, which is what you're doing with me right now, which makes me so happy. I'm so grateful for you for so many reasons. Reid: Well, I'm happy to be doing this, spending time with you. It's great. And trying to figure out how to deliver the information concisely. It's still a work in progress. Thank you for giving me an opportunity. Kimberley: No, thank you. I've loved hearing about all of these major points of your work. I'm so grateful for you. So, thank you so much for coming on again. I didn't have a coughing fit during this episode like I did the last one. Reid: Nothing to make fun of you about. Kimberley: Thank you so much, Reid. You're just the best. Reid: Well, great constructing this whole thing. This is what I'm talking about too, is to have a series of us that eventually everybody will see and work their way down and get all these different positions and opinions from people who already do this work. And so, that's great. You have a choice, so that's great. Kimberley: Love it. Thank you. Reid: Okay. Talk again sometime.