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Her brother Lazarus had died, and had been in the grave for four days. The smell was something she couldn't forget. But there was something far more powerful than that stench of the grave. It was the aroma of life. It was an experience of God's love, calling forth her brother from the grave, from death to life. Nothing else could smell so sweet. So Mary could think of no better gift, no better offering than to bring the most fragrant of perfumes, to pour out on Jesus's feet, and to wash his deer feet with her hair. What a sight it must have been. The room must have gone silent at this extravagant display of love and honor. But there was another person in the room that was not taking note of this beautiful moment, he was blind to this offering of love that filled the room. This person had a stench in his nostrils so strong, that he could smell nothing else. That smell was the flesh. And that person was Judas. Judas was filled with greed, selfish, ambition, pride, and it made him unable to smell the fragrance of life. Freedom and grace. Mark says that on the night that this woman gave all that she had, this man took all that he could. He sold his soul for 30 pieces of silver. But John remembers the fragrance that filled the room that night. And he wants us to experience it for ourselves. Maybe through the retelling of this story. He's asking us to remember how Jesus calls us forth from the grave, and offers us the most fragrant and beautiful gift. Life in him. Mary knew it and received it. Receive the fragrant offering of Christ in you.  Live in gratitude, offering all that you have. When we do that, the fragrance of Christ will fill the room. It'll feel our life and others will take note. The world will see not us but him. and they too will be drawn into his life. That's the prayer that I have for my own soul. That's the prayer that I have for my family for my wife and my daughters and my son. And that's a prayer that I have for you. May it be so

So Mary shows up 4 months pregnant after a trip to visit her aunt Elizabeth.  Joseph has a major decision node of his life:a.  Have Mary publicly stoned to deathb. quietly divorce herc. marry her but don't have sex with her for another 5 months, knowing you will be bearing 50+% of her shame; knowing you might not be invited to Thanksgiving dinner ever again; and for sure knowing the neighbor across the driveway isn't going to understand much less believe any non-sense about a 'virgin conception.'Joseph changes his mind in the above quiz after being visited by an angel.  Not everybody does change their mind, even after something big like an angel visitation.  So, when someone CHANGES THEIR MIND, we too should probably pay attention.  It might be the rarest, and is certainly the most difficult of human activities.  Listen 7 minutes for the heart and decisions of Joseph.  When you get to heaven, plan on buying him lunch.

We're so excited you've joined us this morning to hear this message in our series, Broken Signposts, from Lead Pastor Cole Beshore. CONNECTCARD: https://ranchchurch.churchcenter.com/people/forms/160169 GIVING: https://ranchchurch.churchcenter.com/giving OUTREACH: https://ranch.church/outreach KIDS COLORING DOWNLOAD: https://ranch.church/downloadable-landing Message notes by Cole Beshore, May 2 2021 BROKEN SIGNPOSTS | BEAUTY 1) BEAUTY POINTS TO GOD - NOT EASILY EXPLAINED AWAY - POINTS TO THE TRANSCENDENT 2) BEAUTY POINTS TO HOPE JOHN 11:17-44 When Jesus arrived at Bethany, he was told that Lazarus had already been in his grave for four days. Bethany was only a few miles* down the road from Jerusalem, and many of the people had come to console Martha and Mary in their loss. When Martha got word that Jesus was coming, she went to meet him. But Mary stayed in the house. Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.” Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.” “Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.” Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?” “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God.” Then she returned to Mary. She called Mary aside from the mourners and told her, “The Teacher is here and wants to see you.” So Mary immediately went to him. Jesus had stayed outside the village, at the place where Martha met him. When the people who were at the house consoling Mary saw her leave so hastily, they assumed she was going to Lazarus’s grave to weep. So they followed her there. When Mary arrived and saw Jesus, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died.” When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him,* and he was deeply troubled. “Where have you put him?” he asked them. They told him, “Lord, come and see.” Then Jesus wept. The people who were standing nearby said, “See how much he loved him!” But some said, “This man healed a blind man. Couldn’t he have kept Lazarus from dying?” Jesus was still angry as he arrived at the tomb, a cave with a stone rolled across its entrance. “Roll the stone aside,” Jesus told them. But Martha, the dead man’s sister, protested, “Lord, he has been dead for four days. The smell will be terrible.” Jesus responded, “Didn’t I tell you that you would see God’s glory if you believe?” So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, thank you for hearing me. You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me.” Then Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out!” And the dead man came out, his hands and feet bound in grave clothes, his face wrapped in a head cloth. Jesus told them, “Unwrap him and let him go!” 3) BEAUTY AS ADVENTURE - POINT TO BEAUTY - CREATE BEAUTY

- Press the PLAY button to listen to the catechesis of the day and share if you like -+ A reading from the holy Gospel, according to John +Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she bent down to look inside; she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been, one at the head, and the other at the feet. They said, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She answered, "Because they have taken my Lord and I don't know where they have put him."As she said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not recognize him. Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?" She thought it was the gardener and answered him, "Lord, if you have taken him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will go and remove him."Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned and said to him, "Rabboni"-which means, Master. Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me; you see I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them: I am ascending to my Father, who is your Father, to my God, who is your God."So Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord, and this is what he said to me."The Gospel of the Lord.

- Press the PLAY button to listen to the catechesis of the day and share if you like - + A reading from the holy Gospel, according to John + Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she bent down to look inside; she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been, one at the head, and the other at the feet. They said, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She answered, "Because they have taken my Lord and I don't know where they have put him." As she said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not recognize him. Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?" She thought it was the gardener and answered him, "Lord, if you have taken him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will go and remove him." Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned and said to him, "Rabboni"-which means, Master. Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me; you see I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them: I am ascending to my Father, who is your Father, to my God, who is your God." So Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord, and this is what he said to me." The Gospel of the Lord.

Galatians 4:4 But when the right time came, God sent his Son   Romans 5:6 When we were utterly helpless, Christ came at just the right time and died for us sinners.   It’s Too Late   John 11 17 When Jesus arrived at Bethany, he was told that Lazarus had already been in his grave for four days.  18 Bethany was only a few miles down the road from Jerusalem, 19 and many of the people had come to console Martha and Mary in their loss.  20 When Martha got word that Jesus was coming, she went to meet him. But Mary stayed in the house.  21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died.  22 But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.” 23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 “Yes,” Martha said, “he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.” 25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying.  26 Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?” 27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him. “I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God.”    28 Then she returned to Mary. She called Mary aside from the mourners and told her, “The Teacher is here and wants to see you.”  29 So Mary immediately went to him. 30 Jesus had stayed outside the village, at the place where Martha met him.  31 When the people who were at the house consoling Mary saw her leave so hastily, they assumed she was going to Lazarus’s grave to weep. So they followed her there.  32 When Mary arrived and saw Jesus, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died.”   33 When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him, and he was deeply troubled.  34 “Where have you put him?” he asked them. They told him, “Lord, come and see.”  35 Then Jesus wept.  36 The people who were standing nearby said, “See how much he loved him!”    37 But some said, “This man healed a blind man. Couldn’t he have kept Lazarus from dying?” 38 Jesus was still angry as he arrived at the tomb, a cave with a stone rolled across its entrance.  39 “Roll the stone aside,” Jesus told them. But Martha, the dead man’s sister, protested, “Lord, he has been dead for four days. The smell will be terrible.” 40 Jesus responded, “Didn’t I tell you that you would see God’s glory if you believe?”  41 So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, thank you for hearing me.  42 You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me.”  43 Then Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 And the dead man came out, his hands and feet bound in graveclothes, his face wrapped in a headcloth. Jesus told them, “Unwrap him and let him go!”     Luke 22 54 So they arrested him and led him to the high priest’s home. And Peter followed at a distance.  55 The guards lit a fire in the middle of the courtyard and sat around it, and Peter joined them there.  56 A servant girl noticed him in the firelight and began staring at him. Finally she said, “This man was one of Jesus’ followers!” 57 But Peter denied it. “Woman,” he said, “I don’t even know him!” 58 After a while someone else looked at him and said, “You must be one of them!” “No, man, I’m not!” Peter retorted. 59 About an hour later someone else insisted, “This must be one of them, because he is a Galilean, too.” 60 But Peter said, “Man, I don’t know what you are talking about.” And immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed. 61 At that moment the Lord turned and looked at Peter. Suddenly, the Lord’s words flashed through Peter’s mind: “Before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will deny three times that you even know me.”  62 And Peter left the courtyard, weeping bitterly. John 21 15 After breakfast Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” Peter replied, “you know I love you.” “Then feed my lambs,” Jesus told him. 16 Jesus repeated the question: “Simon son of John, do you love me?” “Yes, Lord,” Peter said, “you know I love you.” “Then take care of my sheep,” Jesus said. 17 A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time.  He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep.

So Mary and Kate are all for staying in bed longer in the mornings, but not sure the Heelers' hijinks quite capture the restful vibe we're after? Dunny has us wondering which of the Queen's high standards we'd meet, vocabulary-based or otherwise. (Hint, not many!)  Plus, how many versions of Ten in the Bed/ Heads, Shoulders, Knees and Toes/ Jingle Bells, Batman Smells are the right number of versions?!   Squish-squash! ++ Gotta Be Done is ex-journos and Melbourne mums Kate McMahon and Mary Bolling, as we deep-dive on every Bluey episode, with plenty of detours into mama life, childhood memories, and everything else we're bingeing, too! Follow us on Insta at @blueypod @marytbolling @katejmcmahon or on Twitter at @blueypodcast - and use #blueypod to join in.

READ: Luke 2:19 NLT Mary kept all these things in her heart and thought about them often. This sentence in Luke is what I would call a piece of considerable understatement. Mary, who was probably a teenager and who almost certainly knew very little about the world, has just given birth to the Messiah. She has certainly been given plenty to think about! Older versions of the Bible translate this verse as “Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart”. The truth is that no one, however old or mature, could possibly have taken it all in. What had happened to Mary was a turning point in human history and stands at the centre of God’s loving plan for his world. No one could have claimed to have fully understood what had happened, and theologians two thousand years later are still reflecting deeply on it all. So Mary was wise to ponder. There is much that we understand about our world, but always much that is beyond us. When we see the wonders of this creation, we can offer a description of what we see but we will never be able to describe completely its beauty and intricacy. When we see the way in which God works in our lives there is much that makes sense but always some things which puzzle us, and which leave us with big questions. Like Mary, it is good for us to keep pondering and to do that we need to allow ourselves space to reflect. It’s so easy to get sucked into a life of relentless activity. I believe God wants us to give ourselves the space to reflect deeply. In some traditions of the church the idea of retreat is very important. A retreat is a time to stand back from life away from home where we can give unhurried time to listen to God. In a world that encourages us to race through our lives at a breathless pace, we need to learn from Mary’s example and ponder. QUESTION: Where are you able to find space to listen to God? PRAYER: Loving Lord, help me to listen more carefully to your voice. Amen.

To support this ministry financially, visit: https://www.oneplace.com/donate/545/29 Jesus never stole from the cookie jar. He never disobeyed. He never fussed out his sister. So Mary and Joseph must have had it easy when it came to raising him, right? Not quite. In this message, Stephen reminds us why raising a perfect child is much more difficult than raising an imperfect one.

So Mary and Joseph left for Bethlehem... Episode nine explores the complexity of that Roman census and the names associatated with it. It also explores the ideas on WHEN and WHY Joseph would have been willing to make the trip to Bethlehem. As always, there are strange nuggets of legend and lore that amplify the Gospel account.

John 20:1-20 (NIV) Read by: Kathy Haug Darkness and Stillness. After the longest Sabbath they had ever known, shock and pain hung in the air. Their hearts were broken. Their eyes were red and swollen from tears. A horrifying passover, the silence of Saturday, and still no appetite for lamb or bread. How could this be? Was it all a nightmare? Maybe He wasn't who they thought he was. What hope was there now? But he was like no one they had ever known! He did things, said things that they never imagined that they would see or hear. Sabbath was ending. Night was almost over, the sun was about to rise. The first day of the new week is about to begin. And perhaps the only place she felt like she could be was near him, near the place where he lay. To grieve, to cry, to remember. . . So Mary got up and went to the tomb. ----------REFLECT---------- 1. What moment stood out to you in this passage? What image, What emotion? 2. Have you ever wondered why Jesus is mistaken as a gardener? John starts the gospel off with the words “in the beginning” and follows the creation narrative through all the way to Jesus laying to rest on the 7th day of the week. And now it's the first day of a new week when Jesus shows up as a gardener… John's trying to help us see that when Jesus stepped out of that tomb… the first day of new creation had begun and he is the gardener. In what ways have you seen Jesus as a gardener of new creation in your life, planting seeds, pulling weeds, watering, pruning? 3. As characteristic of John's gospel, Mary doesn't at first recognize Jesus, yet he engages her pain. “Woman, why are you crying?” Are there people in your life who are in pain? How might Jesus be calling you to engage their pain, even if they don't yet recognize him? ----------CONNECT---------- Find an InterVarsity Chapter >> Start an InterVarsity Chapter >> Learn More >> --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/dailyread/message

Reading by Sister Magdalena, SND (Rome, Italy) and meditation by Mark Jason Garcia (Jakarta, Indonesia) THE FORGIVING MOTHER The theme for our meditation today is: The Forgiving Mother. Today September 15, the Church celebrates Our Lady of Sorrows. The Virgin Mary's experience of grief was closely related to the suffering of Jesus Christ in the way of the cross. At the time when Jesus underwent the whole process of death punishment, He was alone. The apostles left Him, except for His mother and the disciple He loved so much, John. Mary, the Mother of Jesus and three other women were near at the foot of the cross. There at the foot of the cross, the Virgin Mary experienced the peak of grief, namely the death of the Son who was born through her womb. Long before that, when the baby Jesus was offered in the temple, Simeon had predicted that Mary would meet the terrible suffering, a sword that pierced her heart. Furthermore, she participated in the journey of the cross until Jesus' final moment at Calvary. Many members of the Church consider Mary a martyr in the spirit. However, Mary did not lose hope and give up because of these sorrows and loss. Her sorrows and difficulties were sustained by faith in God and love for her Son. The sign of her strong faith is her unity with Jesus. Our Lady has the power of forgiveness which is equal to Jesus' power to forgive sinners, and we can see this as Jesus Himsef spoke from the cross: "Father, forgive them because they don't know what they are doing." The Blessed Mother was the prime witness of this. From the cross, Jesus also mandated His mother to adopt all her followers for all generations, and the beloved disciple, who was with the Virgin Mary, represented them all. So Mary was willing to take up the duty of caring for all people including those who executed her Son, so that they too would be forgiven, freed from sins and return to the truth of God. Until now, Mary, in her unity with Jesus Christ, feels sad when she sees disciples of her Son fall into sins and try hard to free themselves from the grip of evil. Any follower of Christ who falls into sin clearly brings pain and sorrows to the body of Christ, which is the holy Church. If some members of the Church sin and live with evil, they surely affect the others. Even though this grieving is hard for us to avoid, Our Lady from her merciful heart asks Jesus Christ to forgive and transform us. Part of the Church's prayer "Hail Mary", which goes " Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners ..." is the most obvious expression of how Our Lady is always there to help us -- sinners. As we reflect on the sorrows of Our Lady, this should remind us not to constantly cause her grief and sadness because we continue to sin anytime in our lives. This is the same as we do not want to constantly cause our own mothers at home sad and grieving because of our bad attitudes and carelessness. Let's pray. In the name of the Father ... O Lord Jesus Christ, strengthen us to always have true and enduring devotion to Mary, our mother who always forgives. Hail Mary ... In the name of the Father ... --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/media-la-porta/message

When disaster strikes, the human spirit responds by reaching out to help those afflicted.  People stand in line to give blood.  Rescue teams work for endless hours. But the most essential effort is accomplished by another valiant team.  Their task?  To gird the world with prayer. For the most part, we don’t even know their names. Such is the case of someone who prayed on a day long ago. He went to Jesus on behalf of a friend who was sick. No one was more vital than the one who went to Jesus.  John writes, “So Mary and Martha sent someone to … Listen Now

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It was a dark and stormy night. So Mary decides to chase down the crying sound, of course! Let’s find out what Mary discovers in chapter 13. Enjoy!The Secret GardenBy Frances Hodgson BurnettNarrated by Erin Robertsonhttps://www.gutenberg.org/files/17396/17396-h/17396-h.htmFind me online: https://www.erin-robertson.com/ Thanks for listening!

THE FRAGRANCE OF FORGIVENESS Today’s readings are Jeremiah 5 -6 and John 12.  We are reading from the New Living Translation. The fragrance of freedom, and forgiveness, life, and grace. That’s what Mary knew and experienced.  The fragrance filled the room!  She brought with her a little jar of the most valuable and fragrant of perfumes.  It was worth a year’s wages.  She brought this perfume to Jesus because she knew the difference that Jesus makes.  She knew the difference it made in her own life, and that of her brother.  Her brother Lazarus had died and been in the grave for four days. The smell was something she couldn’t forget.  But there was something far more powerful than that stench of the grave. It was the aroma of Life. It was an experience of God’s love, calling forth her brother from the grave – from death to life.  Nothing else could smell so sweet.  So Mary could think of no better gift, no better offering, than to bring the most fragrant of oils to pour out on Jesus’ feet and to wash his dear feet, with her hair.  What a sight it must have been.  The room must have gone silent at this extravagant display of love and honor, as the aroma filled the room. But there was another person in the room that was not taking note of this beautiful moment in the way everyone else was. He was blind to this offering of love that filled the room.  This person had a stench in his nostrils so strong, that he could smell nothing else.  That smell was the flesh, and that person was Judas.  Judas was filled with greed, selfish ambition, and pride.  And it was making him unable to smell the fragrance of life, freedom and grace that was present.  Mark says that that night, after witnessing Mary’s amazing display of love, he went out.  He couldn’t  get the stench out of his nose.  On the night that this woman gave all that she had, this man took all that he could.  He sold his own soul for thirty pieces of silver.   But John remembered the fragrance that filled the room that night.  He wanted us to experience it for ourselves.  Maybe, through the telling of this story, he’s asking us to make a choice. We can choose to receive the fragrance of his life, to receive the gift that he gave us.  Jesus calls us forth from the grave and offers us the most fragrant and beautiful gift, life in Him.  Mary knew it and received it. Judas did not.     Receive the fragrant offering of Christ in you. Live in gratitude, offering all you have.  When you do that, the fragrance of Christ will fill the room .  It will fill your life and others will take note. The world will see, not us, but him.  And they too will be drawn into new life.

Imagine that you'd watched Jesus die that horrible death on the cross.  And then, on the third day you go to His tomb and discover that it's empty.  What would you think? How would you react?   An Empty Tomb Well I'm excited. This is the last week in a four week series that I've called "Who is Jesus?" And over these last few weeks we have just been looking at little snapshots of who Jesus is from the different gospels. From Mark and John and Matthew and Luke. And today of course we are going to talk about the empty tomb. And maybe you have been having a long week end because its Easter but two thousand years ago it wasn't some long weekend they were celebrating in Jerusalem it was a brutal crucifixion. A burial and then something that nobody would have expected. Imagine you have a friend or relative that has just died, tragically killed. You have watched them die. You go to the funeral. You've seen them buried and you get what you think is closure. Closure is one thing but the mourning process goes on. And then three days later you go down to the grave to leave some flowers, to reflect on the life that was so tragically taken, and the grave's been dug up. The coffin is up on the ground, the lid's off and it's empty. What would you feel? What would you do? A friend of mine was interviewing Barry McGuire for a radio program in New Zealand recently. Now Barry McGuire is a well known rock protest singer from the sixties. And over a period of 10 years or so he lost more than 20 of his closest friends to drug overdoses and sexually transmitted diseases. Now these were TV and movie stars and politicians who committed suicide. They were personalities of such promise and yet they turned out not to be what they promised. Marilyn Monroe, Michael Hutchins of INXS. These were fallen stars. See people have placed their hope in these stars and then they failed to deliver. And Jesus must have looked the same. He had rock star status the crowds followed Him everywhere. He was very definitely Jesus Christ superstar. Over the last 3 weeks we have been looking at who this Jesus is. And we have seen how He healed people. And people flocked to Him to see His miracles and to hear His preaching. Jesus had this wisdom that confounded the religious critics. And they tried to trap him and yet He cared for the widows and the prostitutes and He did these amazing miracles healing the lepers, the blind and the lame. He was passionate, He was profound, He had a wisdom about God and yet He was so relevant. He touched people deep inside, and so these huge crowds. Jesus held out so much promise. I mean, here He was in the first century in Israel. It was an oppressed land, occupied by the Romans. Most of these people were subsistence farmers. They were poor. They needed someone to believe in, someone to hope in and that someone looked like it was Jesus. And yet the events of that first Easter long week end, you know, the Passover festival, the crowds in Jerusalem. And then the unexpected. The lynching the mob baying for Jesus blood. They cried out, “We want Barabas” and “Crucify Jesus”. And this hope, this Jesus who was a miracle worker and such a powerful preacher, the hope turned into to despair. Jesus was crucified on a cross and he was buried. And he was buried just before the Sabbath. And so on the Sabbath people couldn't do anything. But on the day after the Sabbath they went down to his grave because he needed to be embalmed they didn't have any funeral parlors in those days or an undertaker. So this just had to be done. Let's have a listen to the story. Let's pick it up. If you have a Bible open it up. In John Chapter 20 beginning at Verse one. John Chapter 20. Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed. So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. And she said to them, “They have taken our lord out of the tomb and we don't know where they have laid him”. Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went towards the tomb. The two were running together. The other disciple out ran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there but he didn't go in. Then Simon Peter came following him and went into the tomb. He too saw the linen wrappings just lying there and the cloth that had been on Jesus head not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. Then the disciple who reached the tomb first also went in and he saw and he believed. For as yet they didn't understand the scripture that Jesus must rise from the dead. Then the disciples returned to their homes. The first reaction of Mary was to run back to Peter and the others and say they have taken the body out of the tomb. Then Peter and the other disciple run down there and sure enough the stone's been rolled away, the linen wrappings are lying there folded neatly. They saw and they believed. You see Jesus had been telling them that He would rise from the dead. Now you read on and they had a mix of pain and fear and tears and hope and confusion but there it was a glimmer of hope that these next few weeks would show something different. I mean, they had seen Jesus killed and yet they had hope. They had hope before. They hoped in Jesus and it was lost on the cross and now here was this empty tomb. No Jesus. Hope. We can casually brush over this Easter story dozens of times, lots of times during our lives and miss out what was going on in the hearts of His followers. These were people who had lost hope and now they discovered new hope. Many years later the apostle Peter wrote these words. If you have a bible turn with me to First Peter, Chapter one. He writes this in Chapter one Verse three. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ by his great mercy he has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. See Peter writes looking back on this that through the resurrection of Jesus Christ God has given us a new birth into a new living hope; hope that we can have here and now a hope that is eternal; hope of glory and joy and peace; a hope of an eternal life of no tears and no pain for ever and ever. That hope began on that first Easter morning when the disciples went down to the tomb, and they discovered that it was empty.   The Local Gardner I hope that you're having a great Easter and that you have had a great Easter. But we do we brush the Easter celebration aside so quickly each year. A day or two later we have forgotten all about it. It wasn't like that on the first Easter, this brutal crucifixion the pain, the mourning, the fear. They had lost someone that promised so much. They had lost hope. And then on the day after the Sabbath when a few of his followers went down to the tomb they discovered that it was empty. He was gone. There was confusion there was hope there was despair there was fear. Maybe? No, surely not. Was there hope? Had He risen? He always said He would. But nah! Couldn't. Some found it easier to come to grips with than others. But Mary, Mary Magdalene, was the women who first saw the empty tomb and she couldn't come to grips with it. She thought some one had taken His body away. And then she talked to the local gardener. I hope you've been with us over these last few weeks as we've been looking at who this Jesus actually is. What He said and what He did. And as we've looked at Him in these last couple of weeks as we've looked these last couple of weeks, what happened leading up to His crucifixion and now what's happening after his crucifixion. If you have missed any of the programs you can listen to them again at our web site, www.christianityworks.com Mary Magdalene was a devoted follower of Jesus. She is the first one down to the empty tomb and her immediate reaction is the one that sticks out. They've taken His body. Who's "they"? The Romans? The religious leaders? Other followers? Don't know! But it's not an unreasonable reaction in fact it's the most plausible reaction. In john chapter 20 beginning now at verse 11 why not join me as we read this. So Mary stood outside the tomb weeping. And as she wept she knelt to look into the tomb and she saw these two angels sitting there dressed in white one at the head the other at the foot of where Jesus' body had been laid. And they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping”. (See, there is this supernatural intervention going on) And Mary says, “They took my Master and I don't know where they have put Him”. After she said this she turned away and she saw Jesus standing there but she didn't recognise Him. She was sort of surprised. She wasn't expecting to see him alive. And Jesus spoke to her and said, “Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?” And she thought He was the gardener and said, “Mister, if you took Him tell me where you have put Him so I can care for Him”. And then Jesus said “Mary”. Turning to face him she said in Hebrew, “Raboni” meaning ‘Teacher'. Jesus said, “Don't cling to me for I haven't ascended to the Father. Go to my brothers and tell them I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God. So Mary Magdalene went telling the news to the disciples, “I've seen Him! I've seen the Master!” And she told them everything that He said to her. See, Mary was locked in the reality of her grief. Isn't that so often the way. We're locked in the here and now, the physical circumstances, the pain or just the plain old life that we live in, we are locked into our reality. And we brush by Easter and we barely notice that something profound has happened; we barely notice that Jesus has risen from the dead. Mary looked with her own eyes at Jesus and what she saw was the gardener. “Listen Mister”, she said. I think that is really funny, it always makes me laugh. Can you imagine? The son of God has just risen and Mary looks at Him and thinks He is the gardener. And in the same way we can look at Easter and see chocolate and Easter bunnies and all that stuff. That's such a tragedy. But then, you see, then He spoke her name. He said, “Mary”. (There is something special about someone who knows our name; someone whom we can trust.) And then she knew it was Him. He was alive! Instantly her grief turned to joy; instantly her hope was restored; instantly she knew she need never have lost hope at all. See, the disciples, Peter and the others, believed first, and then they went back to their lodgings. But Jesus knew her grief. He lingered there waiting for her. She was the first one to see Him alive and yet she didn't know it. And then He spoke her name. have you ever brushed past Easter? Have you ever been so locked in the present circumstances of life you can't take in that Jesus rose again for you? Today, today He is speaking your name; today He's whispering hope into your heart; today if you've lost hope He wants to bring that back to you again. The master's speaking your name, can you hear him? Listen deep inside. Listen. Jesus wants to give you a new hope, a new start, a new life. The gardner is one explanation but when we believe, when we truly believe He rose again we know the joy of Jesus who waited there for Mary.   The Promise Keeper Well, Jesus is risen. Here we are almost at the end of this 4 part series called "Who is Jesus?" We've been just asking and exploring this question, exactly who is Jesus? What I thought would be great is to finish up the series by having a look at one of His last promises. For me there's nothing worse than when someone makes a promise and then they fails to keep it. It's really lousy. Jesus makes quite a number of promises in his three-and-a-half years of public ministry. But this one, this was a parting promise. He said it was also His Father's promise, and it was a promise that ended up changing the course of human history. What was it? Did he keep it? What happened? In human terms promises are wonderful things. You look at the promise of marriage. There are two types of promises or covenants that we can make, or treaties if you like. There are unilateral promises and bilateral promises. A unilateral promise is an unconditional promise: no strings attached. A bilateral promise is a conditional promise: I'll do this if you do that but if you don't do that then I will do this. These are the vows that I shared with my wife Jacqui when we were married have a listen to this. Jacqui today I take you to be my wife and I set myself apart from the rest of the world for you and you alone. Everything that I am and everything that I have I give to you, in the heights of our joy and in the depths of our sorrow. I promise to be by your side, to hold you, to encourage you, to honour you, to cherish you, and to protect you. This is my solemn promise to you, that I will always seek to love you just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. All of these things are yours until we are parted in death. Now I just talked a little a bit about a unilateral promise, which is an unconditional promise and a bilateral promise, which is a conditional promise. So, these wedding vows, which one is it, unilateral or bilateral? See we think as wedding vows as being bilateral; two parties make a vow to each other. But actually, whenever you read or hear a wedding vow it is an unconditional promise. There is nothing in the promise that I made to my wife Jacqui or in the promise she made to me which depends on what the other party does. Nothing in what I read you says, “Well, my darling wife, if you love me and you are good to me then I will be faithful to you but if you are not I wont be." No, that is not what I said. I gave her an unconditional promise of relationship. No matter what you do, this is what I will do for you. Anyone who's married will know that it is tough some days and those days love is a decision. Marriage is a great promise. Its says, when you fail I wont attack you, I wont reject you, I will stick by you, I'll hold you, I'll cherish you, I'll lift you up. When one of us is down the other one can lift the other up. That's the beauty of an unconditional promise and in sense it's kind of the same thing this final promise that Jesus made to his disciples. If you have got a bible open it up to Acts chapter 1 beginning at verse 3. This is what it says: After His death He presented Himself alive to them in many different settings over a period of forty days. In face to face meetings He talked to them about things concerning the Kingdom of God. As they met and ate meals together He told them they were on no account to leave Jerusalem but must wait for what the Father promised, the promise you heard from Me. John baptized you with water, you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit and soon. When they were together for the last time they asked, “Master, are you going to restore the kingdom of Israel? Is it time?” You don't get to know the time. Timing is the fathers business. What you'll get is the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you'll be able to be my witnesses in Jerusalem. all over Judea and Samaria and even to the ends of the earth. These were his last words. As they watched he was taken up and disappeared in a cloud. They stood there staring into the empty sky. Suddenly two men appeared in white robes. They said, “You Galileans, why are you just standing looking at an empty sky. This very Jesus that was taken up from you into heaven will come as certainly and mysteriously as He left.” See they didn't get it. They were still thinking this Messiah was coming to save them from the Romans. “When are you going to restore the Kingdom of Israel?" "Is now the time?" They still didn't get it after three-and-a-half years with Jesus. Crucified and resurrected they still didn't get it. But Jesus wasn't promising them release from the Romans. Jesus was promising them something much better. What you get is the promise of the Father. You will get the promised Holy Spirit. John baptized you in water but not too long from now I'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit. These were his last words. See, when a husband and wife promises each other something they become one flesh and here Jesus promised an intimacy. He promised the Holy Spirit. He said, "You'll be baptised; you'll be dripping; you'll be drenched; you'll be dunked." You know when you have a crumpet and you put some butter and honey on it and its soaking in this sweet honey, that is what the word "baptise" means. You'll be drenched with the Spirit of God. That is the promise of Jesus to each person who puts their faith in Him. Isn't that an awesome promise! It's like the marriage promise. It's not a conditional promise any more, This is the new covenant, the new promise. This is what Jesus died and rose again to give us and it's open to every person who believes that Jesus Christ died for them on the cross and that he rose again for them to give them a new and eternal life. This promise is open to each one of us. A promise of a new intimate relationship. And if you read on in acts Chapter 22 you will read about the day of Pentecost, the day that God indeed poured his Holy Spirit out on every one who believes. That's exactly what happened. What does that mean? Well for the disciples these bumpkins, these fishermen, these tax collectors, God filled them with the power, the strength and the wisdom and the godliness to go out and kick off this thing called "church", and its still going today two thousand years later. God empowered them amazingly. Can I tell you, God has filled me with a power and strength and a wisdom and a desire and a passion and a closeness and intimacy with him that makes me want to do what I'm doing now to tell you about Jesus. We need never be alone. Can I ask you, what about you? Have you accepted this Jesus yet? Have you received that promised Holy Spirit yet? This Spirit of the intimacy and the closeness and the presence of God dwelling in you. So this is who Jesus is. This is what He did. He said, “I will come and make my home with you”. He wants to be with us every step of the way. One of His other promises just before he ascended to heaven was, “I will never leave you or forsake you”. Who is Jesus? Healer, teacher friend. Lord, Saviour, wise, kind, powerful, humble, creator. Everything. He is everything God is. He wants to baptise us with, He wants to drench us with His presence. What a Saviour. What a promise. Jesus.

So Mary and Sarah have decided to talk you through their bracket for March Merry Madness while they #stayhome.

Well for those of you that are joining us, we are here in the warrior divas real talk for real women Facebook group and we are doing our show we're adapting to our ever changing society. We are being emotionally connected in a social distancing world so Today, I am excited about the show we have for you We but before we get started, I wanted to let you know that if you're watching this in the group, you can invite other people to join us in the group to watch it. comment in the comment section, give a little like a little love. Leave one of the emoticons if we make it happy, sad or mad, any of that in the in the group. And I want to welcome our guests today and just a few moments, they're gonna let us know a little bit about themselves. And then as we go through the show, you'll get to learn a little bit more about them. As I said, I'm Angie Monroe, I am the host of the show. This show airs every Tuesday from 11am to 1pm Central Standard Time on fishbowl radio network and then you can find it starting at 3pm on all the podcast social networking sites. So if you hear something you like today or or you really want somebody else listen to that's the great way to share it. Plus, it'll be here in the group as well. So We're going to start off we've got Stacey up in the top we've got Janet Stacey wave. Janet under Stacey. We've got misty right next to Stacey to Janet and then we got cam. I don't know how it's showing up on everybody. thing. I guess mine's a little bit different. So getting yelled away. So I want y'all to we're gonna start with Stacey and kind of go in that order. So Stacy if you will, kind of give us a who you are, what your occupation is, where you're located and what you're passionate about. My name is Stacey Penny when I am the owner of Alexander medical Spa in Hurst, Texas. I'm also very involved in the Chamber of Commerce. I'm on the board of directors. I'm also on the board of directors for central arts of Bedford and Hearst. I like being involved in the community. That's one of my passions. I love helping other people. I like to be involved in charities. I also am passionate about learning. And I like to learn from other people. I like to learn from books. And I like to learn from doing. And this is my first podcast so I'm learning right now. Awesome. All right, we have Janet Janet, tell us a little bit Hey, Shay break out and dance or when I was live that and you did that sway app yesterday, didn't you? Yes, I had 500 views as people actually think I can dance that good which is really awesome. Yeah, I can't really dance that good y'all. Okay, my name is Janet Manor and I live in the middle of nowhere Kansas. I used to live in Texas and I miss you guys miss all the Texas hair and all the beauty of Texas women. And not that I don't love my Kansas ladies, but I do miss Texas and and I am retired but I still passionate about helping People, I I take a lot of phone calls and do a lot of praying for people still people call me for that a lot. And I teach a Bible study class of about 25 women every Monday night. So that's I'm really passionate about studying the Bible. I have the time, most of the time now to do it. And so a very busy life up until this point. So it's been, it's a blessing to be able to sit and sit in word and he's, we just did James Bible study. And so he's prepared us for a time as this to consider it all joy to be in this trial. That's where we are. And as women and all the people that we love and care for are going to follow our lead. You're just really that's the truth and our families. So trying to keep it all joyful here, and it's not being unrealistic, but now's the time to shine. Ladies, now's the time to shine. So absolutely, absolutely. Misty, how about you? Hi, I missed you. I'm the owner of picture perfect brows and beauty and co founder of expanded woman. And you know, I, I'm located but for Texas By the way, and I'm super passionate about people, connecting others and also just empowering other women building confidence. Those are the things and I'm very woman centric as well. So I definitely think we aligned in that way, Angie. Absolutely. So Kim, Kim get started. Marcel reviver talk about her so much, but many of y'all have not ever really officially met her. So this is Kim. Hi, Kim. I'm Kim. And I'm in Grapevine, Texas. And um, I, for a long time have been a small business owner had a graphic design business out of my house. Really Long time since 2015, I've been doing ministry and biblical counseling with women and I graduated last November with my certification to be a biblical counselor. And so, out of that, hopefully a ministry is being birthed. But, you know, God had different plans for how 2020 is gonna go so I'm just my word for the year was restart. Um, I know that I'm still very passionate about women seeing women healed, broken hearts restored, just walking in freedom and and the path that God has for them. So that's my true passion and how that shows up and what that looks like kind of ebbs and flows. As I think I'm growing and maturing in the Lord, so we'll see what he has for next. Yeah, it's interesting because without planning it tonight, we ended up with two of the ladies on the show that have helped me with my external beauty. We got misty and Stacy that have helped me with the external beauty. And then Janet and Kim have helped me with my spiritual beauty over the last several years of my life, and I tell the story about mending the soul all the time and how much I hated that class but loved that class. And Janet's the one that kind of I brought it up to her one day and she goes you're in my class period, you know it's done now I was like, Okay, what did I get myself into? So and then all that you've seen growing with divas impact the magazine The the beautiful flyers and all the thing, the logo for warrior divas all of that has been done by Kim. So pm is the previous creative genius behind all of that. So Mary, and I just get to come up with great, crazy ideas and go, Hey, friends, let's have some fun. But so, you know, Kim has been on isolation a little bit longer than the rest of us. And I'll let her share a little bit about that as we go on. But we were just talking about what is the purpose of the show? What are we wanting to do with the show? And yes, I'm not touching my face. I'm touching my hair. So don't anybody freak out about Corona on me because I'm putting my hair in my house. But, you know, our biggest thing is we want to be somebody that shines a light. So we realized that when you are socially isolated, you don't need to be emotionally isolated. And so we're going to start doing more and more things like this inside the group. Just to have a fun way Friday night, we're going to have a pajama party inside the group everybody show up, we're going to open up the zoom live thing. Let everybody jump on, we'll have a little dance party on there, we'll do a whole bunch of fun stuff inside the group. With that, just because moms and women married single with kids without kids, we all just need to blow off steam at some point, right? Ah. So part of what we're wanting to be is shine that light, we're going to do that and a lot of spiritual ways. We're going to do that in a lot of emotional ways. We're going to do that in a lot of fun ways. So Friday night will be instead of a divas night out it will be a divas night in so you will start seeing us talking about that later on this week. And we'll do one of those each week until we're set free and then we'll start having divas nights out because we'll be building relationships behind the scenes. So somebody somebody had a post up the other day, one of the single people I know was talking said, Wait a minute, you mean I actually got to talk to somebody and get to know them first before I go on a real date. So we're going to take the opportunity to get to know you and we want to talk with, you know, the girls here, I want you to realize that it's not just me in this group. There's other amazing women in this group that can leave things up and talk with you and encourage you and inspire you. And that's what we're all here to do. So this morning, I shared in the group, the john Maxwell video about leadership, and I was live streaming watch parties in this group and another group and trying to leave the notes in there and I do have the notes I'll put them in the notes in a file here inside the group from that section once I get them cleaned up to where other people can kind of interpret my notes as I typed them up, but they're still a little wonky and You know, it was great because he was speaking to leaders. Now tomorrow, he's going to be talking and tomorrow and to say he's going to be talking, turning adversity into advantage. And we're going to kind of kick that off tonight talking about what we as women are thinking and doing and feeling, and, and all of that. So what I want you to know is, we're women here, we may be sitting in a somewhat good situation. I don't know everybody's situation here. But I do know all these women, I don't know all their stories. But I do know all these women. And I do know that they are women that lead with love, they leave with graciousness, they don't lead with fear, they lead with joy. And that's why I was so excited that they joined us on the show today. So as we get going, we're going to start off with emotional health. So first off, we're going to do a temperature check of everybody on the call. So how are you Feeling what's going on? For some of us, it's day one for some of us. What, 90 Kim? Boy? So, um, you know, let's start. Let's start with Kim. Since she's been the longest Kim, how are you feeling? I you know, I'm actually feeling really good. I think that, you know, my journey started on January 2 with my quadruple bypass. So, I think I went through some emotional shock that kind of first month, like, I came home from the hospital on the fifth. And physically, I did great. But emotionally there were some really tough days. The it's not fair. This shouldn't have happened to me, like, you know, this was just completely out of nowhere and I didn't fit the profile and you Still, so, for me, it was sort of having to deal with a lot of the I'm having to come to acceptance with what is my new normal, I had to come to the fact that, you know, I don't know what my future is gonna look like and I gotta be okay with that now, you know, I don't know how this is, is gonna go it's a progressive disease. So new normal looks totally different. And then just even changing everyday habits I have to work out I have to eat completely different. And so there was a lot of that morning I can't eat a cheeseburger and my pepperoni pizza with extra cheese anymore. Took me a month and you know, but then I started discovering new foods, and I learned that I kind of did like working out and You know, you start to accept some stuff and roll your eyes when you said that can you rolled your eyes? here's the here's the funny truth is, it is like ripping teeth out to get me to start working out like getting on the treadmill. But I can tell about eight minutes in. Like, I don't know if it's the dopa mean or what happens chemically but then I start liking it and my 20 minute workout I'm noticing is going 3035 40 minutes like I'm, I actually feel good I feel better. I it's, it really is starting to shift and that was something I didn't expect at all. And then I even started lifting weights this week. And that was completely something I never thought I would be here year was restart and so in every way I've had to restart So it is kind of neat that here God sort of prepared me because I haven't been leaving the house that much I was social isolating already cuz you know you're immunocompromised and healing and and really restricted on what you can do for a while so, you know, I think the Lord was like No Let's prepare her for the corona virus apocalypse just a few months so you know that's where where I'm at I think my husband thinks I'm insane cuz I have bought enough food for the apocalypse and then even like ordering online the dog snacks and dog food so he called it the dog Apocalypse Now as they are delivering that but we're good over here in grapevine. Good Yeah, yeah. So So misty. What about you what's going on in your world I know there's you. You've been doing a lot inside our community as well to take care of the emotional health of some of our community. Yes, there's there's an organization that our chamber has called leadership hgb. And you're a part of the class this year and y'all had a big event planned. The next one, I had to get scrapped because of everything that's going on. But your group in your class just pivoted so beautifully to really attend to what's going on in our community. So I want you to talk a little bit about how it affects you, but what you've been doing to help those around us. Sure, sure. So um, yesterday, you know, worse I'm a salon and permanent makeup company. So yesterday we find out that we had to close the shut down, so Okay, no more livelihood. Don't have the option of unemployment. So, you know, there's a little bit of that fear factor, but I've really been through this whole thing kind of tapped into books and motivational podcasts and things to just kind of get my mindset, right, because you know how that goes. But I refuse to let the devil get me and let him fill me the women are so I honestly feel way more calm than I thought I would, knowing, knowing what's going on. And it helps me to help other people during this time too. So our group has put together another group that basically, we currently call it Corona virus. Press help us here AGV. So for this whole ATV area, and let me tell you a little bit about the project that we started off with. There was a mirror a wall that was painted on next to a company where some Hispanic people owned it and somebody graffiti I hate Mexicans on the wall. So our proud our program was to create a mural, which we did. And it looks amazing. The mural is the map of the HTV area. And we painted over the I hate Mexican. And it just turned out to be so beautiful. Unfortunately, we don't get to show it off yet, but we will eventually. But it is a great reminder of all the community resources that are available in the area. So our secondary thing was to have community resource fair at the same time for the mural unveiling. So instead of doing that, and on this coronavirus, hgb we took it virtual since we cannot really be together. Um, and basically we set out you know, different resources for people what's available, we set up you know, grocery updates and activity websites and all the different things that our community could come together and we made it a needs profile, so we can help those and there's another side project to where we set up little news people Paper stands and put products in there like toilet paper and toothpaste and and just some resources for people to just grab if they need it and also where people can donate goods as well. So it's been really good to help kind of take my mind off that of what's going on around me and helping others. Well, let me see what what's the HTV stand for? GPS you list Bedford? Okay. I thought much better the three cities. Yeah. So it's kind of like our little suburb area. Yeah. Yep. I just want to make sure I knew that was Sam. Yeah. And one of the one of the beautiful parts of it is if you're talking and somebody asked a question about the corona virus or different things like that, they don't want a lot of speculation in the group. One of the rules is the group is to cite your cite your source. So we just we want to make sure that we're citing our sources at all times. So that right there is huge for turning that to for what they're doing, because, you know, everybody can go out there and speculate and do random what is a conspiracy theorist? A lot of that there there is a lot of that so and I think john even said it today he goes first off if the media is your source you need to get a different source World Health Organization to you know, CDC go to places and get get it straight, quote unquote, from the horse's mouth so yeah, so Janet, what about your world? How is things going in your world? I know you've got a little space between the all the normal most of the time Yeah, well, there's still lines that are Sam's and there's still lines in our stores and people are still hoarding the toilet paper. And so I our little group, we we set up in the basement and we social distance to each other enough, but we're making masks You know, the ladies can so I can't so but we're cutting. We're doing okay. I mean, I'm so grateful for the you know, we have our phones and we can still talk and have this group and zoom and Facebook each other and FaceTime each other. I mean, what, what would we you know, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for that because emotionally and you know, if it all goes down, we're all gonna, it's gonna be a little more difficult, but this way we can stay connected and so I'm grateful that we have that, you know, that's really good. As far as I can see, we're a bunch of can i say i'm not going to use curse words but really a bunch of really tough American women. And that's starting to come out we have this Christian toughness I don't even know the warrior divas perfect because I just see a bunch of Lady she's got it together. You know, they, you know, people are sick people are isolated, you know, but they're still just kind of keeping it together and I'm just really proud of the people that I know in my life. I know there's other people who are struggling financially lost jobs, and they're still, you know, just carrying on helping their neighbor. It's just incredible, really incredible to watch. So I'm blessed in that regard because all I see is good stuff. That's all I see. I don't see any nonsense yet. So I'm grateful I got tickled watching the Facebook means or something the other day one of the guys goes I don't even know why we still have farmers and all that stuff. Why don't they just go to the store and buy this stuff that they want from the store? And then somebody else's if we have to, if we have to hunt for our food, I don't even know where Doritos lives. And you know, I love the tongue and cheek of it, but it's because of that tongue in cheek. I've had people reach out to me and going Hey, could you tell me how do I make mac and cheese with ah crap. You know, they need to know how to make their Is what mac and cheese they know they've got the ingredients for it they just don't know how to put it all together so you know trying to be some of those women that has some of these answers together not just mean not just you yeah but you know how to be creative and like my guests on my leading moment show on Thursday said he goes Guess what? He goes the store still have plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables on the shelves, because everybody's buying all the junk food all the company. Now don't eat junk food. You can. Yeah, and then another thing he brought up that misty I was going to tell you might be I'll send you a picture for it. That might be a good thing to post in your group was if it's got the wick symbol on it, that the women and children that are eating off of that wick that's only the only cheese and milk and eggs and things that they can buy cereal that they can buy. So if you have a choice, choose something other than that, but don't wipe Yeah, the witnesses are limited. That sounds like that is just huge. So I've been repeating that and shouting that as often as I can. So I just I took a picture of one of the wick signs the other day and said we need to post about this and I have it That's good. So I'll send you the picture lets you post about it and then I'll share it in post about it too. So all right, Stacy. So you're kind of in the same boat that misty is in yesterday, six o'clock and a face to face interaction. And then you know, what, what are you going to be doing? How are you emotionally handling this pivot? Well, I had already made the decision on Thursday or Friday that I was going to close before before we were closed. Because I have employees that have children. I'm all of them. But most of my people because I'm an anti aging are older. They shouldn't be coming to see me. Some of them are secret still mentioned He's messaging me, Hey, I'm working from home, can you can you get that treatment done to my eyes and we won't tell anybody, you know, just show up at the office. I still have that going on, because people want still want to get their stuff done. But I mean, I'm a mom and I have four children, I really don't need to get sick, what are they gonna do without me. And in the grand scheme of things, I have a roof over my head, I have food, even if my my business falls apart, which it won't. And I need to be here for my kids and my family. They're the most important thing. So I had already chosen, but I have gone through many different emotions throughout the last couple of weeks. I was kind of in the know about certain things beforehand because my brother works for a city and he's in a director position. So he was telling me about closed downs before they were starting to be announced. And so I was wearing before everybody else and I feel good right now I feel the things that I feel are like, I'm excited that I'm going to get to see my kids. I'm a working mom. I'm a mom that has owned a business for almost 20 years. So I have been busy. This whole time. My kids don't see me as much as some other moms get to get to see their kids. My kids are very what they were asking yesterday, where are you home so early? You know, why did you What's going on? Why is mom here? And so I'm anxious to see what it's going to be like when I'm here the entire week with him because, you know, they, they don't they only have that when I'm on vacation. I'm anxious to see I'm anxious to cook food. You know, I because I own a spa. I come home later. So sometimes a lot of times our food is you know what Costco made that my husband gets put in the oven before I got here. So I'm excited about getting to make some things and getting to do some art projects. That's what I'm Putting my focus in. Now I know, I have a list of things that I can get done remotely, to move my business forward. But every time I think about my list, I also think about, I know that I'm going to be okay. What can I do to help people that are probably not going to be okay? Yeah, that's good. There's so many people that work in a restaurant that are paycheck to paycheck. You know, I have a business savings account. I can cover my bills for a while. at my office. My husband works from home. He we're not going to lose any income from him at all. So what can I do to help other people? That's what I've been thinking about. Yeah. But I, I mean, I'm my, my biggest fear is, I don't know how to not be busy. I know I was thinking the same thing. I think how do I think that problem So maybe I can figure out how to be busy doing more things that are fun. The other thing that I think all of us are going to figure out how to be busy at home organizing and whatever else we can think of. We should people like me and Missy who take care of people all day long. We don't take care of ourselves as much. Right? So we should probably think about doing some self care. Mm hmm. Already on that? Yeah. Are you? Mm hmm. No, I watched your list. I can say I can tell you that. I used to be super busy. And I'm not super busy. Now. As much as I was when I lived in Texas. Also, I've had six months of my husband being retired at home. How's that? Because I'm worried about two weeks in with my husband. And there is an adjustment and he's a I'm married to a really nice man. It's still an adjustment. So you will have those moments, right, honestly. And I just say, I'm gonna go in my room and be by myself, you know, I just take that time, but you learn to do other things when you're not busy working or taking care of kids, like, I still help with my grandkids too. So, you know, I'm trying to do art projects and find things. I mean, I've already raised my kids and I'm having to rethink how do I do all this care at home for these kids. And so, but the business that you have when you're outside working versus coming home, I will say it's an adjustment but you're you guys are creative women, and you're hard working and so you're going to find things to fill your time you think, Oh, I'm gonna retired and I'm not gonna be as busy. That's not true. You just find different things to do because you're productive and because you like helping and because you like doing, you will find other things to do. I mean, that's just, it's God's good that way. He does give us other things and God help us all might instead of hit water, you might have to have some wine and let's be honest Vodka, I'm just kidding. Really. wine, take yourself, take your bath. But you know, God's gonna give you what you need when you need it. I mean, it's amazing. So you think I'm gonna have all this free time no other people are gonna come and look to you for things they're gonna call you. They call you and come to you because they know they can't. And they know you're going to answer they know you're going to cry with them when they cry, and you're gonna laugh when they laugh. And they know that if they call you you'll answer Now, I'm not saying being emotionally available for everybody all the time, but you find new things to do is I guess the point, you know, and and what you said God will find what you need when you need it. So the past probably three or four months, I've been training a new employee and then my employee of nine or 10 years is moving on and it's been really difficult. I've been working six, seven days a week, so maybe this is what I needed. Trying to stay home a little. I think the Lord, the Lord's just sending an adjustment, you know, we've been prepared for this time, as a time we're all prepared for this time we've been placed here. It's not a coincidence that we're all women and Esther's at this time. And you know, you'll find your inner Esther, and you'll, you know, God's gonna put people in front of us, and he's going to give us what we need when we need it. And even if you're a single mom, and you ask for help, just ask for help, because this older ladies are willing to, you know, even if, you know, we, we can watch them on a park bench. We don't have to, we don't have to be in the same room with them. But we can actually watch a kid for an hour or whatever. I mean, you can do that outside. We don't you can, you know, you can do that. So that'll work. Well. And I think another thing that a lot of people don't think about is because we have had this happen in the middle of all the social technology we have you're really not as alone as you could have been. So we have a lot of resources to reach out to talk to ask questions. And you can do it in private message, you can do it over email, you can do it on a Facebook post, whatever it is. And we met I went to a event last fall, where they talked about it was last fall last summer sometime where they were talking about abusive relationships. And I'm going to bring it up during this part because we're about shifting to family dynamics. And, you know, I'm married to a great guy. We've been in business together for seven years. I had my own business before that, but he's had his plumbing business for seven years. So we've worked together. So being home alone together hasn't really sunk into us. And he's part of the essential forces so it he probably won't be home as much as some of the other ones. But on the other side of it, there are women that are trapped at home. home with their monster, there are children that are trapped at home with their monster. So my my point to all this is, is if you're a woman, and you're listening to this, and you're trapped in a situation like that, we are the women that are saying, you can reach out to us, we are the Oregon, saying you can reach out to us. We want you to get stronger. We want to help you get a plan together, we want to get you out of that situation. We will pull all of our resources together to help with that. But we have to know that's what you're involved in and what's what's going on. And we don't want to put you in a date a more dangerous situation while you're trying to get out of that situation. So we will help find ways to do that safely for you and everyone involved. So, again, that's a little side note, but I feel it's important because when we start talking a lot down, you know, that's, I mean holidays is when domestic violence calls go up. It's just Police statistics statistics see YouTube can be a professional speaker. It is a real life statistic that that's when they go up. So it's it's something that I'm not hearing any of the media talk about or any of the police departments talk about. I'm hearing about the police departments being exposed to things and police forces dwindling because of all this. So therefore, it behooves us as warrior divas to do what we can and do our part and be that resource for women. So Alright, so we're going to talk about families you know, we're kind of almost empty nesters. Now, every time we think we're empty nester, one bounce back. I don't know what it is for Allie and cannon and the twins live a little bit down the road but they were here yesterday and they and today doing laundry because their washer and dryers best. It's so kicked them all out of the house before we got on the call tonight and then set myself to a shop to do some what we call arts and crafts time. So mainly I just need a girl time. We all need Girl. Girl time we all get it. How are you? How are you planning to balance the family time with your work time or with your own? Your own sanity? Like Janet hiding in a closet. No, no. So who wants to go first on that one? Don't everybody speak it? Well, I will. And I don't really have I decided since today was my first like real day off in the quarantine and that I was gonna relax today and just enjoy the day with my family. And you know, we ran real quick to the salon. I grabbed all the essentials that I could do self care on myself. So when it's not podcasting I'm gonna do some micro needling and you know things to make myself feel better and look better to, why not? before you make before you make decisions, make sure we talk about the other procedures that we need to do because we need to put them in. Okay? Put them in the calendar. That's where I was going with this is I'm going to kind of create, you know, a plan each day, I'm like, we're gonna work out we're gonna, all those things I'm not doing right now. That's what we're getting. And I would really like to take the time, like even a family workout and you know, spend some more time doing yoga, which I haven't done in a really long time, but I enjoy. So and I get to do more cooking because I'd actually like cooking for my family and things like that. So all of those are, I'm kind of excited. I told my my kids yesterday, I was like, Hey, guys, I'm gonna be home for like, at least three weeks, you know, probably. And my younger son was like, yeah, you know, he really misses me but my older one is He's like, he could care less to be honest. He's like, I'm in my room playing video games with everyone else. So it's pretty much the same dynamic. I have a feeling that my, my spouse will be probably quarantined as of Monday I'm thinking because he works in Dallas County. And they've, you know, done the whole, what is it, um, shelter you have to stay in your, in your house, basically. So, um, I have a feeling they'll be closed on Monday. So then he'll be home and we're not used to seeing each other all the time, even though I love him and adore him. And we're probably gonna have to keep our space social distancing to know. Like you do your thing and go play watch your car shows and I'll go do my thing and work for a little bit. Because I plan on not stop working. I do have things in place for that. So maybe spend a few times a few hours a day working and a few few hours a day spending extra time with my family. The new normal right the new normal Yeah. Yeah. Well Scott actually started working from home last week. So with me being immunocompromised he had got special permission to already work from home once this kind of started blowing up the week before so um, we've had a week now to adjust and so I have you know, my office downstairs, we set him up, his office is upstairs and with the door he can shut and it's gone real well except, you know, the 10 year old who doesn't understand that you know, she's used to when Daddy's home he's played ad so he's fun dad. So he getting her to understand that daddy's actually working eight to five, Monday through Friday and and what those boundaries are kinda look at I think it's been a harder adjustment on Avery than it actually has. Me and Scott to be honest with you, um, one thing I thought was funny in our world is trying to leave God outside if it's sunny we we've gone for walks, we walked three days last week, we went outside and walked, walked to the park, trying to let her play and be a kid. You know, everyone's gone home school crazy. And we just decided, you know, she's gonna learn if she's not missing anything. You know, we did a couple of things, but we just sort of let her be at home and learn how to FaceTime friends like this, this whole environments different for her and I think it's harder on a nine year old, who's used to that consistent schedule. If I get up I go to school. I'm at school till this time and then I have my activities and then boom, it's like spring break, and then everything she does got canceled. So for us, I think it was just letting her have a week to just downshift and deal with that emotional impact without dumping. Now learn. Honor, you know, so I think this week will be an interesting week and how do we now sort of bring in to all this mix the homeschool thing and make sure she doesn't fall too behind? And I just don't intend on being too overbearing about it. And maybe I'm maybe I'm weird that way, but I figured she's ahead. She's smart. Let her just kind of enjoy what she can and do. I mean, do the things they're going to ask you to do but i'm not i'm just not I always said I was arts and crafts. Mom, not school mom. So, you know, like who which one of us can even teach Common Core math. Let's just be honest about that. Like, I can't. So there's only gonna be so much as a mom, I can do anyway because I know. I'm not trained as an educator. So I feel like you guys need to quit coughing I'm getting nervous now. Far away. We're social distance. We're good. All right. Yeah. Well, well, Stacy, what about your kids? You've got school aged kids as well. How are they have they hasn't even hit them yet that they don't have school. And yes, let me talk. You know, I have two sets of kids. So I have a kid that's 29 and 19. And then I have kids that are nine and eight. So and I'm still a mom to both sets. It's a kind of separate though, because the two the 29 and the 19 year old just moved in together in a tent. To an apartment in Bedford, they really like it. And so like I've been helping them I was there yesterday still unboxing stuff. They've been there a month but they have some boxes that they still haven't unlocked. And one of them I will not say which one was waiting for mommy to come by and not the younger one to help him get his stuff on. I mean I'm still momming them I'm still I'm telling them to stay home I brought some masks and some gloves and some Lysol to their apartment yesterday. It's two boys. So having to be mom still mom them even though they're older without being overbearing, and they have been staying home though I'm so excited for them. Because usually they don't listen. And I I kind of taught them the things that they need to do for cleaning. And if they do have to go somewhere like you're not supposed, like even touching the thing when you're done. Getting gas, you really shouldn't be touching that you need to put so that's why I bought brought them some gloves, throw the gloves away after you get your gas before you get in your car. So I have that situation. And then here at my house I have my two girls that are nine, about to be nine and eight and set I'm sorry, eight and seven right now. They have for the entire week. They have been doing homeschool. But kind of haphazardly, you know. They've been doing prodigy and Adventure Time and ABC mouse. But starting tomorrow, they go to a charter school international leadership of Texas. They're actually going to be doing the zoom meetings and they're with their teachers. And we had to do all the technology today. They both they both their school was giving out Chromebooks to the students that don't already have them. We have Chromebooks. They we got them for cursive missed last year. My husband's in it. He thought they needed to learn how to use a mouse. So he bought them Chromebooks. And so they're going to start their zoom meetings. I'm worried about my eight year old because she's dyslexic. And she really needs some extra care. But her dyslexic teacher is going to be on zoom meetings with her too. So I'm excited to see how it's gonna happen because I know it's a new normal for them, too. They have this charter school has 20 schools throughout Texas. So they're doing the zoom meetings with all the schools at the same time. I'm wondering how smooth it's going to do the first day we'll see. And I'm still going to be doing some work also. I'm still going to be on my computer. I have an internship program that I'm working on for the Chamber of Commerce. And then recently, we still have right you can we have time to work on that missing. And then Angie and I are also we are on the leadership Alumni Association, the same leadership class that misty is currently in. Angie and I have already been through the leadership program. And we are on this leadership, steering leadership alumni steering committee. So we're going to try to help put social media together helps steer our alumni helps steer our alumni, we can make sure that our alumni stay still engaged in the chamber after they've gone through leadership. We want our alumni to be leaders in the community. We want our alumni to be part of boards, board of directors in hcb area, and we want them to be the leader. So Angie and I are trying to figure out how to still work on that. A little foreign to them and and challenge them both a little bit. And so I'm going to be working on that and then I like I said, I don't know what I'm going to be doing here. busy. I don't I'm going to keep myself busy doing things I'm not sure how it's gonna go. It's It's my mind is like, do I set up a whole plan of all of these art projects that we're going to get done? Do I cook like so many meals? I haven't decided which things I want to be busy doing. I know. I'm going to figure out how to be busy though. Oh, yeah, yeah, I think we all figure that out really easily, don't we? Yeah, yes. What about you, Misty? Oh, how to how to figure out how to not be busy. Well, what about the kids? What are they doing and shifting through right now? How are they? How are they still on spring break. So they really are, and Burnsville has not figured out what they're doing yet. They're trying Monday, we're supposed to pick up Chromebooks for those who don't have access to social media or like tablets or internet and that type of thing. So we're we're just waiting for them to give us more direction. Right now they're just having a free for all to be honest with you. They're playing video games are eating all the snacks you know that a house in the home that have a 12 year old and a 17 year old boy and then a seven year old stepdaughter so she's here this weekend hanging out with us and that's really cool because normally we don't get to have her all weekend we only get to have our own Sundays and one one night during the week so this will be some extra time we can all spend with her too. Also, I just signed up enough to do the snap ology Lego daily challenge. You seen those but so he made the pirate ship today with his Lego so those are things trying to keep him busy, but they're bored already. I think. Yeah. Well Janet, you're kind of like me, you you've kind of moved on from the little kids at home but you also have grandkids that are around and I know I know Alyssa was doing homeschooling so but Alyssa is also expecting to So that's how I'm a baby in about eight weeks. Yeah, so you're gonna be probably doing some pitch hitting won't Yeah. So yeah, it's it's that new that grandma role which I have adult children, that's still the mean, which I can totally relate to. which is way, way more than I thought it would ever be. It's kind of interesting, but I will say it's just a blessing to have grandkids and we're expecting a new baby boy and I've been able to hear somebody come in here now that I'm talking about these grandkids. And I'm surprised they haven't come in yet. Honestly, I am too hot. And so I don't know. We're finding new things to do. I'm, I'm stealing all the ideas on Facebook and people are putting so many amazing ideas out there. We're doing all that we're just praying for some warm weather. So we can kind of get outside here in Kansas. It's still really cold. We have one nice day and then we have three or four bad days. So I'm waiting for that. But I think getting outside helps you guys. We're not we can get outside, we're allowed to go outside. It's like you can't get outside. I think sort of everybody doing the electronics, take a walk, do something get outside, it's healthy and mentally. And I know one of the small towns here, they were putting the bear the stuffed bears in the windows so that people could go around and find the bears the little kids, find the bears. But find something to do, you know, go on a scavenger hunt, and give them a list of things to go outside. outside. Is that your best bet for a while even if it's cold go outside. I mean, that's, we've missed having our kids outside, they're in school all day. You know, they go do things all day. Now you have an opportunity to kind of reset, like kimsey word, you know, reset, it was a reset, that we use that restart. We said, yeah. Yeah, we had to reset after 911 and we survived all that economically. And we you know, we lost a A lot of stuff after 911 My husband was a pilot that got, you know, furloughed and, you know, this too will all pass but go outside. I mean, family wise, mentally wise, you know, do something outside and you know, the sunshine is good for you the virus dies at 180 degrees I don't know. Right? It's vitamin D and vitamin C are anti viral and so mentally get out some put it on your list to go outside every day and take a walk, do what you have to do, but get them outside. I think it's important. Well, part of the arts and crafts Mike's doing is I bought a boat last summer that's my boat. It's not his boat. It's my boat. It's it can be ours but it's my boat. And so he was just doing some of the last minute touches to make sure it was boat ready because that's one thing we can do. We can go out on the lake we can go in that's socially distances you from quite a few people just being out on the lake. One of the other things that I'm glad you brought up the 911 thing because I've been thinking a lot about that this week. You know, there's a our kids Janet's and my kids and they see you've got one up there too. They were born. And they were in school when 911 happened, you know, so they, Janet and I have children that serve in our country and And me too. I'm a part of a military moms group that has paratroopers that are coming back to the states that are going straight into quarantine. They're not getting the big welcome home. They're not getting all of the pomp and circumstance that goes on with that they're going here's a tent and they're like, I just came from a tent. So the ones that go through the tent, they they're, they're putting them into isolation, barracks and things like that. But you know, Cody, my son is supposed To be leaving the country at some point this week, I was supposed to be in Orlando from Friday until this following this coming Friday, from last Friday till this coming Friday. And then I was going over to spend time with Cody at his duty station before he left the country for six months. And so I had to change tickets. And as I'm changing the tickets, I'm already having the emotions well up about 911. I came out of nowhere. And when the when the planes stopped flying, I didn't sleep for those three days. Because I was I've grown up in ulis. I'm so used to hearing the planes fly, that when the planes weren't flying, it was eerily deafening to me. Yeah, so when the first pilot took off from DFW Airport, I was one of them out there with the guy that had the big American flag and we were listening to the air traffic controllers, talk to the pilots and send them off. And, and so we knew when that happened that our world was forever changed. And we're already we've we immediately saw changes in how security was done and how things were handled security on the cockpit doors, TSA, all of that immediately changed. And one of my friends that's a writer and manages a lot of freelance writers for Thomas Nelson publishing, put out a suggestion the other day to start making notes of the things that you see that may be changing. And I thought that was a really good thing. So in the industry, you're in, in the in your child's life, what was something that was so normal, a week, a month last year, that is either not going to be around or something abnormal. Moving forward, we've been talking about putting Chromebooks and students hands in every student having a laptop or a tablet for years. And it takes a crisis like this to realize that we should have stopped talking about it and just done it. You know, so what does that look like? What are some of the things? I'm going to throw out? One of the things that I thought that I've already thought of with universal pushing movies straight to DVD, I mean, not DVD but DVR, straight to the streaming services, there may not be a major need for theaters anymore. Big Box theaters, wow. At least a drastically reduced number of them. So what's something that you can look at that you're looking at now and you can start thinking maybe it's going to shift medical supplies. Right now China makes most of our medical supplies and I was told by someone who their company, she's a salesperson for the company that that supplies hospitals. And before like, she was telling me Probably, I don't know, a month and a half two months ago. Make sure you buy all the needles that you're going to need for the next year by all the gloves you're going to need for the next year. She said, we're not even telling our hospitals this yet. But there's one ship coming from China right now full of medical supplies, and that's the last one for a while. She said it, it's going to be changed for an entire year. And because they're not working, they're not able to work. They're not making medical supplies. And so now we see here, we are incredibly dependent on China. medical supplies also they they do a lot of our medication too. They do a lot of our What is it called? The one that is not the brand name. Generic Jay did a lot of our generics. And we might run out of certain medications because they do a lot of our generics. They make most of our Tylenol Not the time, like the generic Tylenol, they make most of our generic generic Tylenol. So what I see 85% of her antibiotics, right? So like, we change that, hopefully we change it, we learned the hard lesson and we change it now, well, then I was thinking ramp up, you know, we just ramp up and we do what we do. You know, hopefully that's gonna happen. Well, and we the, the other issue is, are we willing to pay more for it, because the labor in China is much cheaper. And if we make it here, we're going to have to pay our workers enough. So that we can, it will have to pay a little bit more for it because we have to pay our workers so that they can live in the United States. So that's an issue. But I think that we were as a country, we're going to have to look at all the things that were dependent on other countries, and we're going to have to see what we can do to not have this happen to us again. Yeah, Misty Kim. What do y'all have to say? Something that Scott and I were talking about is how, like we had never done online grocery shopping. Like you know, I buy stuff from Amazon but I'm talking about like, ordering your food from like imperfect foods calm or like ordering all your meat from Purdue farms.com like changing the way you grocery shop like we have had, cuz I'm immunocompromised and it's not good for us to get out at all. I'm in that super, super crazy high risk group. So we've been having delivery, delivering all our groceries and like today, we got an email from one service saying that they've had to suspend new members because they're so overloaded right now with new people and I'm thinking wow, this this could come pletely change the grocery store industry because we're so used to going out to the grocery store to get stuff and how many of us will come to realize that we like having stuff delivered on Friday because I go so far, I think it's great. It's not much more money than you know, going to the grocery store. And it's super convenient to order your groceries over three days, and then wham, it shows up at your door. So that was one thing we really thought about how this could really just be a societal change of just like people ordering groceries online, and then maybe there won't be a storefront on every corner the way you see now. Yeah, I think Walmart pickup is the best thing ever invented. Yeah, I love it. Well, like even before, if you haven't done that you need to start. No way. Don't Well in our neighborhood, we live in a older established neighborhood. And it was built when the in the 60s when people were coming in building the airport here, so a lot of pilots and air traffic controllers and things live in our neighborhood. And on our street. There's like three of us that are new newly to the neighborhood. The rest are all original homeowners. So it's it's an older generation and older demographic. And they've kind of gotten into the Facebook group and mastered that Facebook group but some of them are starting to get out there and master that online ordering. It's challenging them to be technology savvy right now. But the beautiful part is is those that are younger in the neighborhood that are going to the stores will say, I'm going to go to the store on Friday. If you have a pickup, put my name down, I'll pick it up for you still keeping some of our older neighborhood neighbors from going out into getting getting out and Not being where they don't need to be so it's really interesting then you talked about the bear thing the other day while ago we did the Shamrock challenge in our neighborhood for a scavenger hunt. And then we we started seeing the kids doing the chalk art out on the on the driveways sending positive messages to people. So you know, it's it's finding different things. Missy What do you think about you anything you can think of that shifting or changing that? Well, I see to like two sides of it, you know, you see the people that are kind of going crazy and taking advantage of the situation but then I also see more people being kind and you know, thinking of others before themselves and like the you know, compromised or the older people that they can they can help them you know, and even yesterday I had made a video on Facebook just letting everybody know I had to close down and you know that we'll be back and and you know Kind of reassuring them, but I got more reassurance for myself is like yes, you will be back and you're going to be stronger than ever. So just that support of people is just pretty amazing. I really have found that and I think it was always there but people are so busy. Yeah, that we don't take the time to share that stuff. So good, positive, that's a good positive thing. You know, if we just come back together, we were divided in a nation, maybe we'll come back together a little bit more. Seems like in times of crisis, that's what we do. Right? And I'm just do you remember after 911? After how, one day, the next day everyone had a flag out? Right? Everyone had a flag out, come together. Everyone was coming together. And maybe that's what is gonna happen right now. Because I'm seeing a lot of people want to do things for others more than ever. Well, and we're seeing we're seeing bipartisanship. up like we've never seen since 99. I mean, we're seeing a lot of things. They may not agree on a lot of the other things still, but they're putting that to the side, they're pushing all that to the side to be able to take care of a nation right now. And the the beautiful part is what I'm seeing on social media is, like you said, people are sharing positive encouraging messages to people. Especially when they see that they've got the resiliency to come back. You know, there's, there's, there's a few people that I know of that have gotten on Facebook and light of messages of what's happening in their area and stuff. And they're blasting you know, and you can tell they're angry and they're bitter and they're in there getting all it'll be okay or it's happening to everybody. You know, you're not in this alone and they're they're getting better back. It's, I guess the beauty thing I want to remind people is in times of crisis is when your squeeze I can't remember if john said or one of the other people said that the virtual thing that I shared with you all today, those sessions with john, he allowed us to share publicly. But behind that we've got all the other trainers that are part of the organization doing live videos with us all day long for the next three days. So I've been watching a bunch of videos live this week. But one of the things I said is when you're squeezed in a time of crisis, what's inside of you is going to come out and so you're getting on and good or bad. Yeah, good or bad. It's coming out. And the What are you made of? Are you made of a I'm defeated? This happened to me mentality Are you made of a you know, pull your bootstraps up Rosie the Riveter we can do it type mentality. And, you know, I'm a Rosie the Riveter lover. So yeah. You know, I'm one of those that I don't think this happens to us. I think we find ways to reinvent ourselves in and reestablish ourselves and we find times during this time to, to be leaders in that dark world we shine that light, we say, you know, you may not feel like you've got a safe place to go. I've got a wing right here. You can take shelter here and bit here a little bit. I'm going to push you out of this nest because you are going to fly even if you have to grow your wings on the way down. You are going to fly you know. And that's, that's what I get from the strong women. I surround myself and all four of you are the strong women I've surrounded myself. Janet has said it to me before there was tell somebody, what was it a while back. The when the twins were born, they just turned what six, so six years ago, I was kinda in the middle of it. I was Sleepless in Seattle or Bedford or her Wherever I was, I was, you know, brain numb. And I think Kim might be able to relate to this a little bit to it. I didn't know enough to reach out and ask for help at that time, because I was just doing what was in front of me. Yeah. And Janet said, you know, I've told she told me flat, because I've told you before, and I'll tell you again, all you have to do is ask for help, and help will be there. But I was still in my own mind of will these people relying on me, so I have to be the stopping point. I'm not the stopping point. I'm a flow through point. Yeah, that's good. We have to be reminded that we are a flow through point of the Holy Spirit of our love of what we fill ourselves with so that we can flow out to those that we are feeding and and loving and nurturing. And we can't nurture something if we are not in a nurturing mindset. It's so I used to imagine that A bunch of people that walk around those little squeezy stress balls, eyes and the ears pop. Like everybody is this Yeah. Yeah, you know, even me, I know I I've touched him with cam quite a bit right when she first got home I went and spent days there and stuff like that. But then even this week I went, Oh my god, it's been a week since we've texted What is going on? Why has she not reached out to me? Is everything okay? And her well, why haven't we gone to? Lee? I'm like, Okay, first off, am I being a bad friend? Am I this? Yeah. But I have to put all those negative things are behind and not say Well, I didn't talk to her this past week. She's probably mad at me because then those mental games will play and then you won't reach out and then you're emotionally distancing and isolating. And they're over there. Just going. No, thanks. It's been good. I was wondering where you're at. I just knew you'd circle around when you weren't busy again. And I was here like, Oh, well. How many I know I'm not the only one that has ever done this? Because I have heard other women tell me this. So, um, you know, as we're talking through some of the some of these, you know, I want to start looking at what are some of the best you have seen in people through this. This scenario, we talked a little bit about how our jobs are changing through all of this already. But you know, what, what are some of the best the most positive things that you've seen in people? Through this? We were What was it? Stacy, we were on a call the other day for the leadership alumni. And, you know, we've got some people on our steering committee who were on the front lines of this and they're just exhausted, right? When they're being told and I'm not saying who they are, where they're from, but when they're being told to pack a bag to bring to work because they don't know if they'll be able to go home. Right. You know, And this is just the beginning of what we're expecting to be a bigger surge and you know, so you know, what are some ways that you could you see positive coming out of it? I know there's other people that are what is it one groups donating every you can go on and put your beer order in. But if you put throw in an extra beer, a four pack or a six pack to your order and donate it to the Fort Bragg soldiers that are coming. That's hilarious. I'm like, okay, that's funny. But you know, what, what are some? What are some of the other things that you you're seeing and hearing? One of the one of the things that I thought was awesome, is we talked about it earlier is when our leadership htb, pivoted, and decided that they wanted to start a group to help the HIV community by posting the things that are most needed. And nobody told them they had to do that. Nobody told them that since their event was called closed down that they had to pivot, they just made a choice. And that's what happens whenever you start building leaders is they lead and that's what they did. So the first thing that I did when I was probably the seventh person invited in the group, and if you guys don't know, I am the, the sponsor of that group. So yes, I am the sponsor of leadership. So she's, she's a black, so I'm like, no, no. So I'm like, when I when I look at it, when I see them doing such great things, I get very excited because I'm invested into it right now. I get so excited about creating leaders and when whenever I get to help, and this is what they decide to do, I'm excited. So I was like, almost in tears, like, Oh, my God, look what, look what they're doing. And I immediately started texting. Rochelle Ross, who is the steering committee leader and said, Oh my god, do you see what they're doing? Like, this is great. Do you see What your Do you see what your what your teaching is making happen in our community? So that that's one of the biggest things that I've seen. And, you know, the last time I looked, I don't know how many people you have in the group now, but there was almost 1000 people in the group when I was blessed. Let me check Where's like under there was like, yeah, there was one I was looking it up 1.4. Okay, so what I mean, that's awesome. All of these people that all live in the HDB area, are able to look and they haven't categorized it into sections. So you can see restaurants you can see this you can see where you can get food, if you don't have food. You can see what food pantries are still are still giving you food. I mean, I just thought that that was so awesome. So that was one of the great things and if you look at the feeds inside the group, people that know nothing of what hcb leadership is are talking discussing. I invited one of my clients to the group who's been living in hers for like 30 years and she was very She posted something and she she got into message. Did you see how great my posts and to see all the people that were? So I mean, it's bringing people together. I thought that that was really awesome. And then and then I also see, like everyone is really trying to go to these mom and pop restaurants and buy food to go local. So I really love that I'm doing it also. But I think that that's great. Those are the things that I've noticed. Yeah. Here's another thing. You know, there's a lot of us who have diabetes, there's a lot of us who have high blood pressure. There's a lot of us who have asthma, those underlying health conditions that make getting the corona virus, you know, more dangerous for, you know, it's going to be more than a cold it could go wonky real quick. So what I've seen is just even after two months of friends and church ladies and just people rallying around my family through the heart stuff you know we didn't want for a meal for about eight weeks. Um we had more food and we knew what to do with we had friends cleaning our house take down our Christmas decorations. I mean you name it it was we had handyman come over and help Scott with cocking a tub. I mean, just you name it, it was done. And those same people now who know that I'm immunocompromised are texting me. Hey, I'm going to Costco. Hey, I have a friend run into Sam's Can I drop food off at your front door. So I just think seeing how humans are so generous. And kind and sweet and people are sending me, you know, we're still sending you extra prayers during this time. Just even that is just so touching and and you know, it just got me thinking, How can I reach out no knowing I'm stuck at home so now I'm with food delivery service. I've texted my neighbors and I'm like, Hey, we're having food delivered on Friday. I'm placing an order this day. Do you guys need me to order you guys anything so trying to help in the way I can. But just if you're able and be mindful of your friends who might be having to isolate more that just even going to a grocery store puts them at risk, right? Because I can't really leave the house at this point then, you know, my husband is stuck and because if he goes out and gets it and brings it in. So being mindful of the immuno compromised and how just if you're going to the store check in, or if a neighbor has run out of toilet paper or needs eggs, be willing to go put it at their front door, just be mindful of that stuff. And I've just seen it in spades more than I can even say, we have felt so blessed and just seeing God's goodness through human beings in such ways I never expected over these last couple of months. Well, and that goes back to those boxes that you're putting out to missing because you know, there's some people that may never ask for help or want to go to a place and get help but that they can go open that box nonchalantly get out what they need are, you know, I had somebody what say, Well, I only had some beans. So I went and put the beans in the box and I grabbed the the whatever Else it was that they needed, you know, and I was like, well, that's awesome that that what you needed was in that box, you know, and maybe somebody else needed those beans, you know. So finding a way to love on people where they're at, you know, with whatever skills or talents you have. Janet, I'm gonna come to you next, but I'm going to preface it with this because on Monday, we were hearing a lot of people, Mike's one of Mike's friends from high school took one of those blue rolls of paper towels, and he is he makes knives, homemade knives. And so he cut one of those rolls in half and he goes, look, I'm making toilet paper, you know? And Mike's like, Yeah, go ahead and do that. Because, you know, once they start flushing that down the drains it's

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On the first Link Up with Latesha of 2020, our incredible host Latesha Byrd, founder of Byrd Career Consulting, shares a career game changer: getting ahead with relationships. She explains why she thinks now is the perfect time to shore up your relationships with your bosses and/or coworkers and a whole lot more. Remember, we cannot get ahead at work on the quality of our work alone!Learn more about Latesha on the BCC website or connect with her through her socials! LinkedIn, IG, Twitter, FBStop by LateshaByrd.com! Interested in her salary negotiation masterclass? Click here! The 60% discount code mentioned in the episode is GETTHECOINS!Check out Latesha's YouTube channel!BCC's socials: LinkedIn, IG, Twitter, FBVisit our website!TRANSCRIPTLatesha: Hello, hello. Welcome to another episode of The Link Up with Latesha. Happy New Year. It is 2020. It is a new year. It's a new decade. So I hope that everyone listening right now is extremely excited about the new year. I know things have been kind of crazy crazy, but, you know, still, a lot of positive things to look forward to in this new year. I always love new years because it signifies a fresh start, you know? A fresh start to, you know, set new goals, set new resolutions, set new habits. My theme for the year, that literally came to me yesterday--and I usually get my themes for the year fairly sooner, but for some reason I was really struggling with what I wanted to focus on this year. So my theme this year is discipline. I have--well, my themes last year, I had three. It was alignment, discernment, and--ah, man, I don't remember the other one right now. Probably, like, manifestation, and again, like, being intentional about having a theme, those things all made to be true for me in 2019. I have exceeded my business revenue goals. You know, closing well over six figures, so this year--you know, my goal is six figures, which, you know, as an entrepreneur, that's honestly really not a ton of money, especially when you have other people that you need to pay and you're wanting to reinvest the funds back into your business to scale and things of that nature, and so I significantly exceeded those goals, and so my goal for this year is to hit a quarter mil. And I had to do some self-reflection here. I'm very proud of, you know, my progress for the year, but, you know, I asked myself, "Man, had I not set my goal low," "Maybe if I had really believed in myself, just think at how much more I could have made, how much more I could have done." There was a tweet that went around about saying "Six figures should not be the definition of success for an entrepreneur," and unfortunately if you're someone like myself, who grew up in a troubled household with a single parent and, you know, living check to check barely and all of that, like, money is an indicator of success. I mean, it's important. You know, you need money to survive. You need money to pay your bills and have a certain quality of life, but it should not be what the #1--in my opinion not your #1, you know, definition or indication of whatever success looks like for you. But anyways, saying all that to say that my theme for the year is discipline, so that's what I'm focusing on. Discipline, having more structure in my schedule. As an entrepreneur, we--it's a good thing and a bad thing. People ask me, like, "What is the best thing about entrepreneurship?" Well, the great thing is that you can do whatever the hell you want, and that's also the hardest thing, [laughs] because you have to be really strict in how you manage your schedule and your time and your energy. So I want to focus on discipline, making sure that I am building and implementing and incorporating the right habits, making sure that I have a structure throughout my week, making sure that I am planning, that I am prepared, overprepared, overcommunicating--which we'll talk a little bit in this episode--overcommunicating with my clients, with my team, being fully present, discipline with the gym. You know, just discipline, 'cause discipline will keep you going even when you don't feel motivated. Discipline are those habits that will keep you pushing when you emotionally feel, you know, drained, or when you--you know, it will give you that extra kick and that extra push to continue that momentum. So I don't know why I just started talking about that, but that's my theme for the year. So I just enrolled new coaching clients for Q1. Super excited to work with them, and I have some other things, exciting things, that I'm working on for 2020. Definitely more masterclasses. If you went to any of my masterclasses last year, I did--how many did I do? I think I did two. I did one on salary negotiation, which is still up on my website - LateshaByrd.com/shop. $30 for a salary negotiation course, discount code GETTHECOINS. I've had people that have said they've gotten a $12K raise, a $22K salary increase based on this course. So check it out. I did another masterclass back in December on how to launch a successful job search strategy for 2020. One of my goals this year is to be releasing many, many, many more masterclasses, so stay tuned. I will be doing one sometime this month, maybe February, on LinkedIn. How do you utilize LinkedIn to really get after these opportunities, whether it is building your network, building a brand, getting connected to job opportunities. Getting clients, you know? So I'll be speaking from how an entrepreneur, how a job seeker, how anyone can use LinkedIn for their benefit. So that's gonna be rolling out soon, as well as some other exciting things, so I will keep you all posted on that. But for today's topic, this is my first Link Up with Latesha episode of 2020, and I tweeted something earlier that honestly just kind of took off, and the tweet said "If you like your job, focus on developing relationships with your boss and coworkers in 2020. I hate to break it to you - relationships at work do matter. Quality of your work is important, but quality of relationships matter more. Don't ever think you get ahead on your work alone." So that's a pretty long tweet. I don't know how I fit all of that into, like, 120, 140 characters, but this was important because this is your opportunity right now, at the beginning of the year, to really level-set expectations on, you know, maybe what you are expecting from your employer and what your employer is expecting from you. This is your time to also level-set expectations in terms of those relationships that you have at work. You can turn it around. Maybe you don't have a great relationship with your boss. Maybe you don't have a great relationship with your coworker. This is the perfect time, just given that everyone is back from holiday break, people are feeling refreshed, you know, in good spirits, you know, hopefully energized and, you know, all of that. So use this to your advantage, and I want you all to really think about the temperature of your relationships or rate your relationships on a scale from one to ten. You know, what is the strength of that relationship? Think about that. We cannot get ahead at work on the quality of our work alone. I wish that were the case. And the challenging part, because this is Living Corporate and I know most of our listeners are people of color, we cannot just get ahead by just doing our work and keeping our heads down unfortunately. Statistics show that people of color, especially women, have a much harder time getting promoted to leadership. We have a harder time getting raises. We have a harder time getting acknowledged for the work that we're doing. So this goes back to those relationships. The other reason why I think this is important is because if we don't have relationships, we are already going to be misinterpreted and misunderstood. I may have shared this example on one earlier episode where I was working on something with a coworker. We will just call her--what can we call her? Let's call her Mary. [laughs] That's my grandma's name. So Mary and I were working on something together, and to be quite honest, Mary wasn't pulling her weight. I emailed Mary. Crickets. Emailed Mary again... crickets. And I was cool. I was like, "Hey, Mary. Do you want to meet and talk about this?" or "Hey, Mary. You know, can we get some time to kind of work on this together?" Mind you I could have gotten this done by myself, but there was, like--I don't know if anyone else has experienced this in corporate as a black woman, but it's like, "We can't just give this to Latesha. We gotta make sure we have somebody else, just to let that person get the credit, or let that person--" It's like there's, like, this--I don't know, it was weird. Like, "Do you guys not trust me to do it on my own? Do you want to make sure I have a babysitter?" Which I ended up doing it on my own. That's a whole different story. So anyways, [laughs] Mary and I were working on this thing together supposedly, and I had a one-on-one with my manager, and I said, "Look, I am trying to get with Mary, and she's just not responding at all." So my manager says, "Okay, well, why don't you just go talk to her in person?" I'm like, "Bet, no problem." So I think this was, like, the same day. I saw Mary in the break room and I said, "Hey, Mary. How's it going?" You know, blah blah blah, small talk. "Hey, by the way, I was wondering how it was going with the project. I was thinking maybe we could catch up about it." Like, I was being really nice. Like, I literally was just like, "Hey, do you have any updates about it?" I promise y'all, like, I had zero attitude. I didn't have a mean tone. Like, the way she responded to me, it threw me off because she seemed very defensive. She seemed to be very defensive, and it literally confused me because I'm like, "Where is this aggression coming from?" She just kind of, like, rolled her eyes and was like, "Ugh. Yeah, you know, like, I'm getting to it." You know? "I got it." And I was like--I literally looked at her and I was like, "Oh... Okay, cool." You know? And that was it. I honestly was, like, so perplexed by the whole interaction. So I go back down to my desk. That was the end of my conversation. 10 minutes later she's, like, stomping. Like, I literally hear her stomping down the hall. And she goes to my manager's office and she closes the door. So then she leaves, and I said--I was sitting, like, right outside of my manager's office. My back was turned. I mean, she didn't say anything to me at all. She just went straight to him. So anyways, my manager calls me into his office, like, after she leaves, and he's like, "Hey, Mary just said that you kind of had a bad attitude with her when you talked to her in the break room." And I'm just like, "What?" [laughs] If y'all could have seen the look on my face. I was so confused. And what I realized in that moment was that Mary, she did not know me. I don't know if she had many interactions with black women before. I'm going to assume maybe not. And trust, like, if I have an attitude, you will know it, and I know it too. But I did not in that moment, and I know for sure that I didn't, but I realized that she did not know me, and I think that sometimes the assumption is that, you know, black women are, right, aggressive, or, you know, we just always have to be really mindful of our tone and level and how we are enunciating certain words and just things of that nature. It literally can be exhausting, ladies, and I understand that, but what I realized is that we did not have a relationship, and in order for us to be able to get that project done, we needed to build that relationship. All of this goes back to me implying that it is easy for us to be misunderstood at work. That's why it is important to build these relationships. And I have a few tips on how to do just that. And so honestly, from that point forward, Mary and I started going to lunch. We started going to lunch, you know, maybe on a monthly basis. We started working together more. And, you know, as time went on, we ended up developing a really solid relationship. The other reason why it's important to have these relationships is because you need to be strategic about who you are sharing what you're working on with. You need to be strategic about your wins, your accomplishments, your goals. Because people are talking about you when you're not in the room, you know? One of my favorite quotes about branding from Jeff Bezos is, you know, your brand is what people say about you when you're not in the room. Your brand precedes you, right? So your brand will speak for you when you're not able to speak for yourself. That's why it is important to have these relationships. So I have, let's see, seven tips here on how to build relationships. I know that it is hard for people of color to build relationships when you already feel like you're misunderstood anyways and you don't want to feel like you're having to change who you are to just fit in. And I really hope that you guys are not doing that. I know it's easier said than done, but I really hope that you're able to be who you are at work and let people see you for that. It can be literally exhausting to try to be a different person at work, you know, versus how you are at home. So the first tip that I have is working on your people skills, man. I am so serious. Working on your people skills. [laughs] Understand how to communicate with people and, like, speak to people in the morning when you come in. You have to have people skills. I know that sounds very simple, but there's a lot of us out here that we just--we just don't have it. So I would challenge you to start speaking to coworkers in the morning. Saying a simple "good morning" goes a long way. When you leave, saying, "Hey, have a good evening," that goes a long way too. I think sometimes we are so withholding of information. I'm not saying you need to tell them your personal business. Like, "Hey, I'm leaving. I have a date," or "I'm leaving. I'm going to this happy hour. I'm going on this trip or doing this with the boys or with the ladies." Like, you don't have to say all of that. It's literally just having manners. So think about that. Growing your people skills and actually communicating with folks. #2, identify what relationships you need to manage better, and be very observant as to the types of coworkers that you have. Who are the high performers on your team? You need to be in the winner's circle. I know you may not like certain folks because maybe they're always talking in meetings, you know? They're always that one getting all of the recognition, right? There is something about that person that people, leadership maybe, trusts. There's something about them that they are doing well if they're being recognized or if they're feeling more comfortable to just speak up. That might be a good person for you to build a relationship with. So observe closely. Understand the nature of the relationships at work. Who are the people who have the authority? Even the folks without the titles, right? Like, who are those people who have authority that know what's really going on within the team? Those are the type of people you want to make sure that you are building those relationships with. I know when I was in corporate there was one person on my team who--she was most definitely the high performer. She was always the one with the fresh ideas, and she was always that go-to person for literally everyone on the team... and it was annoying. [laughs] So I don't know if you guys have experienced that before, but those types of people can be a little annoying, because they're, like, the know-it-alls, and I really had to take a step back and ask myself, "What is she doing that I'm not doing?" And that took me letting my pride down and putting my ego to the side and working on building a relationship with her, looking at who she has a relationship with. Is that someone that I need to have a relationship with too? With that being said, you do need to know the high performers. You need to know who the decision makers are. So one particular thing I really wanted to talk about this with your relationship needs is the difference between mentors and sponsors, A.K.A. advocates. There was an article that I was reading about how black women don't need more mentors. We need sponsors. We need people. And let me just share what a sponsor is, okay? A sponsor is someone that is advocating for you when you are not in the room. That is someone that is saying, "Hey, Latesha is really crushing it right now, and you guys need to pay attention to her. She is a shining star on the team. She is a high performer. She is someone that we need to really make sure we look out for." I promise y'all these conversations are being had. That is someone that is in a decision-making authority, someone that is in leadership that can actually push the needle forward when it comes to your success. They typically are at a senior level. And there's someone that's going to be invested in your career. They will also open you up to their own network within the company. They are gonna be championing for you even when you don't know it, but they're gonna be using their authority and their reputation. So you are essentially an extension of them. You'd be surprised at how many people will look out or will promote a person off the strength of one particular person that has type of authority. Now, that's someone who might be at a partner level or a C-suite level depending on the size and nature of the company that you work for, but you do need sponsors. If you don't have sponsors, make that a goal for 2020 - get some sponsors at work. Now let's talk about mentors. Mentors. Mentors are someone that will help to make your job easier. They might give you training. They might give you suggestions on "Hey, here's how you can navigate this particular situation. Here's how you can navigate this particular relationship." They may give you feedback on your development. They may offer insight on how to, you know, kind of maneuver in corporate, and they may kind of share their unwritten rules on how to get ahead, but they may not be someone that is really vouching for you. Understand that there is a difference. Mentors mentor you. Sponsors advocate for you. All right? So it's good to have mentors, and understand that you won't go to your mentors for the same thing. When you're talking to your sponsors, you need to be really strategic with the information that you're sharing. You need to be sharing your wins. You need to be sharing your goals. You need to be asking them questions about what it's gonna take for you to really grow at the company, right? With your mentors, that could be if you want to talk to them about certain challenges that you're having, that is what you can go to your mentor for. I mean, you can still go to them for the other things, but just be strategic in how and what information you're sharing. So if you're not sure in terms of who to build relationships with, start there. Mentors, sponsors, the high performers on the team. And then also, like, the people that maybe have been on the team or at the company for a while. Maybe they're just kind of cruising to retirement or they're complacent with where they are, but they have the relationships and they know what they're doing at work. Someone like that could help you. That could be a good relationship, and that could be a great mentor for you. Think about how you can add value as well to these people. Understand what their strengths are and what their weaknesses are. When I worked in corporate I was on the recruiting team. I was the youngest one on the team of eight, and the oldest actually became, like, one of my closest friends. I love her so much. She's one of the most amazing people I've ever met. She has to be in her 60s. Super, super sweet. She had been with the company for over 20 years. Literally, like, she--I don't want to compare my age to how long she's been there, but she definitely has some years on me. Wonderful, amazing person, and we built an alliance. She knew who to build relationships with. She knew how to play the politics game. She wasn't in a decision-making role, but she was able to help me navigate some issues that I could not have gotten through without her. Now, being that there is an age difference when it came to us rolling out new HR software or when we went through a whole ATS implementation. I was that person that would stay on the phone with her late-night, you know, guiding and helping her through how to manage the system. So think about how you can add value to these folks. Maybe there are people on your team that are high performers, they're really good at public speaking, but maybe the organization, the documentation part, is a little hard. Chip in and help with that if you can. Figure out how you can add value. And again, that's gonna be paying attention to their strengths and their weaknesses. #3. I want to make sure that I get through these and not go super long today, but I know this is the first episode of the year, so I had a lot of information I wanted to share with you all. #3 is actually schedule time with these people, and I mean face time with these people. I'm a millennial, [laughs] so I love to just like, "Hey, let me shoot you a quick IM. Do we need to meet in person? Like, do I actually have to get up from my desk?" You know? "Why can't I just IM you from my couch at home?" [laughs] But it is important to have face time. You can never, ever forget the quality of building relationships with someone when you meet them in person. It's also important for people to understand how you respond and communicate. I'll be honest, when I first started in corporate I realized that there were some folks that did not look like me that never, ever, ever truly had close interactions with people that looked like me. I hope that y'all caught what I was saying there. So with that being said, you know--and I know you guys have witnessed this, even in college, right? But even in corporate. We all just grow up so differently. We are around so many diferent types of people, and depending on the person, depending on the coworker, they may have not had a lot of interactions with someone that is a person of color. So keep that in mind, you know? What their assumptions or thoughts of us could be from what they see in media, TV, you know? Movies. So it is important to let people see you, see you for you are. I had a coworker that I love, love, love, [laughs] and she is a black woman, and she was so feisty. Oh, my goodness. She's so feisty, and I love it now, but I used to think that she hated me. And I'ma be honest, y'all. I used to think that she hated me, and then once we started to spend more time together and we were working at some of the same conferences I was like, "You know what? This is just how she is with everyone." Like, she is truly herself, and all I'm saying here is let people see you for who you are. Let people warm up to you so that they will be able to build that trust. When it comes to scheduling time with people, you've gotta be present. Be present and really get to know people for who they are, even outside of work. It is okay to ask people about their family, if they have children, if they have pets. People love talking about their pets. Asking people about their hobbies. Like, what do they enjoy outside of work? What do they do for fun? Do they cook? Do they go out to eat? What are their favorite restaurants? Find ways and pockets to kind of pull information out of people and get to know them, and be mindful of that. I used to keep a little notebook with me everywhere that I went, whether it's me meeting with someone, meeting with those decision-makers for the first time--it is hard to keep up with names, y'all. I'll be honest. It is really hard to keep up with names. There was one particular partner that everyone said, "Oh, my gosh. He is so hard to work with. He's so hard to deal with. He's rude," and when I tell y'all--he was an older white man--we had the best relationship. He is my homie. He is someone that advocated for me, and he just did not care. [laughs] He was at that level where it was like, "Look, y'all. Y'all are not about to fire me. I have all of this control. I have all of this [power?]. Like, you cannot check me." And I love that energy. [laughs] We have a really great relationship, and that's because I took the time to get to know him. I asked him about his family. I asked him about his hobbies. And he didn't know this, but when I would step away from the conversation, maybe I would step out to the hall or run to the bathroom, I might go somewhere in private and I would jot these little notes down. These are his daughters' names. This is where they work. This is what they do. If they're in school, this is what they're doing. This is his wife's name. Jotting down that information so that next time I saw him, "Oh, how's your girls? How's your wife?" And over time we were able to build that relationship. The other thing I want to say here is attending events, attending those happy hours. I know we hate, hate having to spend time with people that we see literally all day every day. So those dinners and those happy hours, y'all, we have to go. We have to go. Have you ever been in a performance review and they'll say, "Well, we don't really know you," or "Your coworkers feel like you don't like them." Trust me, y'all. Sometimes that feedback can be rude and biased, but I'm telling you, you can go to the happy hour. That's all I'm saying. Get there early. Get there early so you can leave early, okay? But you have to attend these team events. Join committees too. Find ways to get to know your coworkers outside of that working 9-to-5 environment. So joining committees, volunteering, you know, there's always, like, the social committees. Join those so that people can 1. see you how you are, understand how you operate, even outside that, you know, maybe a little bit more buttoned-up work environment, that is a great way to build those relationships where it's not forced. But I would encourage you to really be intentional about that. Face time, coffees, lunches. You know, maybe if you can't because your team is in a different country or across, you know, different coasts, just scheduling those recurring checkpoints is gonna be important. #4 is overcommunicate. What I mean by this is constantly just emailing and--again, this is what a manager told me. Overcommunicate so people don't have time to make assumptions or generalizations about your work. So let's say you're working on a project with someone. They don't know where you stand at work, on your progress. Maybe you guys don't have, like, a solidified "Hey, here's how we're going to keep each other updated on where we are." Send them a quick note and let them know. Do it in advance, all right? Maybe you aren't planning to go into the office the next day. And again, I get it. Like, if you're in an environment where it is a very flex work arrangement and people don't really trip like that, but trust me, they are still watching, okay? [laughs] They're still watching. So just send a quick note. "Hey, I'm gonna be working from home tomorrow. Just wanted to let you know." Something just like that. Just don't give people any room or space to make any assumptions about your work and your work performance. I think I can leave that there. I personally think that overcommunication is key for that. Always keeping the right people in the loop of what you have going on is important. #5 - say thank you. That sounds so simple, but showing appreciation goes such a long way. Recognizing your coworkers if they have done something positive, if they've been helpful, you know? If they really kind of stuck their hand out, their foot out for you or whatever it is. Like, actually take the time to say thank you, even if it's the first time that person has done that or, you know, maybe you have been helping that person out for a long time and they never helped you out and now they're finally helping you out and you're like, "Okay, about time." Like, whatever it may be, just say thank you. Even your boss. People want to be appreciated. And be genuine about complimenting people when they do something well. This is gonna be a great way to build relationships. #6 is all about positivity. Focus on being positive. Focus on being positive. People don't want to around a negative nancy. And with that being said too, you don't want to be around a negative nancy, so stay away from those negative folks, which leads me to the next thing - gossiping. Do not gossip at work, guys. Please find someone else to talk to outside of work. I am telling you. It... don't gossip at work. Find a friend, maybe a significant other... your therapist. Get a career coach. But be really mindful about the type of information that you're sharing with certain people. Now, I was always the type to listen to the gossip. I may not agree, I may not disagree. I may listen and do what I want, but that's about it. But y'all know it's easy to get caught up in that gossip. I don't really feel good after gossiping. I don't know about you all, but gossiping makes me feel really low. It brings my energy down. I just never feel good after having a conversation about gossip. So I would say, you know, just be mindful of that. And some people are naturally just negative people as well. Be as positive as you can to those people. And then the last thing, #7, when it comes to these relationships - set boundaries. Manage your boundaries. With managing boundaries, that means, like, don't allow your coworkers to--just because of the nature of the relationship, maybe they shouldn't be texting you after hours, right? Or there should not be an expectation where they email you after hours that you're gonna get back to them, you know, before you go to bed. Like, don't be that person that's, like, always available 24/7 so that people can't run over you. Make sure you're taking time to restore your energy while you're not at work. So that's all that I'm saying there, manage those boundaries. Maybe if you're not responding to someone's email fast enough, right? Like, maybe you have a coworker that emails you at 8:00 a.m. and you don't get back to them. They're emailing you at 10:00 a.m. like, "Hey, just following up here." Like, "Okay, son. It's been, like, two hours. Give me some time," you know what I'm saying? Manage those boundaries, and that's all about gaining respect. Do it assertively of course. Do it in a positive manner. Don't be negative about it, but definitely manage those boundaries so that you can get the respect that you deserve. So those are the tips that I have. I hope this was helpful. Let me just run through those seven things again. #1 is people skills. You gotta have good people skills. Learn how to communicate. Learn how to get to know people, that small talk is a good start. Being observant. Thinking about who will be your advocates for 2020, A.K.A. your sponsors. Who will be your mentors? #2 - identify your relationship needs. Who do you need to build relationships with? What do you need from them? What do they need from you? How can you add value there? #3 - schedule time with people. Don't forget about face time. Don't underestimate the value of face time. #4 - overcommunicate. Always be communicative about what you have going on, your progress, things of that nature. Again, don't give folks too much room and space to make assumptions that could negatively impact your performance or your brand. #5 - say thank you. It goes a very long way. #6 - being positive, avoiding gossip as much as possible, avoiding negativity, finding people outside of work that you can vent to. And then #7 is managing your boundaries. That will make sure that you are getting respect. So I hope these are helpful. Hit me up. I want to know, like, what your themes are for the year. Like I said, my theme is discipline. All about discipline, discipline, discipline in 2020. So yeah, I will be talking to you guys very soon. Bye.

In part one of a three-part series, Maura Sweeney '07 interviews Mary Cavanagh Dunn '96 about growing up in a family of 9 children, and how her Holy Cross experience influences the way she practices law. Recorded September 11, 2019 --- Transcript Mary:                    By working hard, by being efficient, by really representing your client's interest the way they're meant to be represented. That kind of integrity and that kind of meaningfulness you bring to your work, it something that has always stays with me as I work through the challenges I have now and I think that started at Holy Cross. Maura:                 Welcome to Mission-Driven, where we speak with alumni who are leveraging their Holy Cross education to make a meaningful difference in the world around them. I'm your host, Maura Sweeney, from the class of 2007, director of alumni career development at Holy Cross. I'm delighted to welcome you to today's show. Maura:                 We are offering something special this week, a three for one special. I had the pleasure of sitting down with three siblings who are all Holy Cross graduates and all practicing lawyers. Mary Cavanagh Dunn from the class of 1996, Joe Cavanagh from the class of 1999, and Jim Cavanagh from the class of 2013. In this three part episode, I speak with each of them to understand how their time at Holy Cross has influenced the way that they practice law. In this first episode I speak with Mary. Mary Cavanagh Dunn graduated from Holy Cross in 1996 and Suffolk University Law School in 2002. The oldest of nine children, Mary decided to join her father's Rhode Island law firm, Bliss and Cavanagh, where she made partner in 2013. She speaks about the decision to follow in her father's footsteps and how her education at Holy Cross has inspired and formed her work. Maura:                 I'm very excited to have you here. You're three siblings, all Holy Cross grads, all history majors. You went to law school after Holy Cross and are practicing lawyers, and my guess is that's probably where a lot of the similarities end. Mary:                    That's probably true. Maura:                 I know. I'm similarly, I'm from a large family. I read that you're from a family of nine kids and I know that from us, we're one of five, which felt big. It doesn't feel big anymore. But we all are very, we have some similarities, we were all raised from the same home, but we're all very different people. And so I imagine the same is true from all of you. Maura:                 So what I'm really excited about today is to hear how you each had your own Holy Cross experience. How you took the way that you were raised, took your Holy Cross experience, put your own stamp on it, and yet have decided to pursue a similar profession and to hear about that story, because I think that's really, really cool. So before I jump in and ask about each of your backgrounds, I'd love to just know a little bit about growing up with such a big family. I don't know who wants to take that one or give us a bit of an idea of where you're from and about your family. Jim:                        Well, as always, I defer to the oldest, well the older, excuse me. Number eight of nine. Mary:                    We primarily have lived in Warwick, Rhode Island most of our lives, I mean, most of us were involved at some level in sports. The boys in hockey, I played volleyball here, but I played tennis. And we went to, the older group of us went to public school and then Jim went to a Catholic school. So there's some differences there. But we all ended up here at the Catholic College. So, and I think, yeah, growing up, there were some families with four or five kids, but we were sort of atypical in that there are nine of us. My mom drove around a big blue van, carrying us from practice to practice and things like that, but we had a pretty close knit family. Mary:                    We come from a very large family. My father was one of nine and most of his siblings have very large families and actually most of them live in Rhode Island. So not just us, there was a good amount of cousins. And so I think we all had a real sense of family. And to tell you the truth, it wasn't until I got to Holy Cross that I actually met all these other people who came from these big families. Because I will say growing up it was more unique that we were from a large family, but Holy Cross, that was one of the things I felt a real, it was kind of a surprise to me. But it was one of the things when I was starting out here feeling a little unsure it ... I played volleyball, and a lot of the, I should say women, not girls, that I played with were the youngest of big families. It was unique for me to be the oldest, but it was a real connection and I have always found that with a lot of my Holy Cross friends that that kind of large family aspect to it was something that was really unique to here, in our lifetime, I would say. I don't know if Joe and Jim would agree or disagree, but. Joe:                        I had the same experience. I remember the first day at our really on campus at Lehy. Lehy two. One of the guys who lived in the room, just one or two down. I was talking to him in the hallway and just making introductions and I said, "I'm the second oldest of nine." And he said, "Oh, so am I. Isn't that great?" Joe:                        Okay. Not in Kansas anymore when something like that. Mary:                    You're going to have to come up with something else to set you apart, now. Joe:                        Right. But that was a really beneficial part of being at Holy Cross. I thought that you could find people that you shared similar background and experience with. So you had a common bond in a way, and the faith bond, too. But yet within that framework, as you pointed out, there are so many differences and it's sort of like you have certain basics that allow you to be comfortable, stable to kind of get past some of the maybe more difficult transitional elements I would think of being on a college campus for the first time, and dive right in and get into the intellectual pursuits, and your activities, and meeting people. And so that part of being from a big family and being at Holy Cross I think was really, really helpful. Yeah. Maura:                 That's great. Jim:                        I know they both said they met, had classmates with large families who were at the older end, but their youngest siblings must have been older than me, because I felt like I still was unique. Maybe it was just my experience. No, I could think like Martin McNamara, one of my good friends, he was from a family of six, so. But I felt like nine was still pretty good, still the winning number. Jim:                        But something that was unique for me, I think, just given the age range in our family. I think, I remember, I think one unique thing about me was that I had so many nieces and nephews showing up on campus. And I remember actually it was a few times Joe visited me on homecoming would bring his boys, and everyone would say, "Are these are your cousins? Or are these your brothers?" Jim:                        I'm like, "Actually no, these are my nephews. That's my brother, there." And that was fun. And also, too, just to harken back to the first question about growing up in a big family, I've loved it. And being at the younger end, you certainly get to learn by the actions of your older siblings and see what works, see what didn't. Jim:                        And but also too, it's been fun, because I was so, I was right at the point where I remember all of them going off to school. I remember Mary, I think, she was, I was really young when she went off to college, but I have a memory of it coming to Holy Cross and dropping her off. But as they've all had kids, I feel like I've gotten to know the young versions of my siblings, which is a lot of fun. I mean, my nieces and nephews are their own people, but they certainly have characteristics of their parents, so it's good. Jim:                        And I'm roughly the same distance in age with my oldest siblings and the older end of Joe and Mary's kids, so that's been a lot of fun. Joe:                        Or so you've heard, but maybe don't leap to too many conclusions. Jim:                        That's right. That's right. Maura:                 Well, I can say I'm also, I'm number four of five, so I can appreciate being on the younger side and getting to see everything that goes on and yet also feeling like, "Okay, they did it that way. I'm going to pave my own path over here," being just really fun. Jim:                        Yeah. Maura:                 Yeah. Well, so I am really excited to jump in and ask each of you some questions, now that we have a sense of where you're coming from. I've never interviewed a group of siblings before, so if it's okay with you, we'll go one at a time so we can learn about each of you. And then I've got some speed round questions that we can tackle as a group at the end. Does that work? Joe:                        That's great. Maura:                 Yes? Okay, great. So Mary, you've agreed to hold the oldest position and go first, and I am grateful. So from what I have learned, so you went to Suffolk Law, graduated in 2002? Mary:                    Yes. Maura:                 You're a partner at Bliss and Cavanagh in Providence, Rhode Island, and you work as a civil litigator focusing on cases and appeals involving business, employment, defamation, products liability, personal injury, insurance, and media law. And you've started to develop a probate litigation practice to handle cases in probate courts and appeals to superior court. Maura:                 Some pro bono activities include working for the TGC Memorial fund, a fund created by your family to aid those suffering with mental illness through education, research and treatment programs. And you have received a few awards from the "Super Lawyers" magazine, rising star in New England and Rhode Island from 2010 to 2014 and super lawyer in New England and Rhode Island in 2015 to 2016. So my first question for you is how does it feel to be a super lawyer? Mary:                    Well, it feels good. It kind of ties into the sibling theme, since Joe is also a super lawyer. My father is a super lawyer, as well, so it feels great- Jim:                        I'm an aspiring super lawyer. Mary:                    But it does feel great to be a super lawyer. There's a lot of people in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, as well, with that designation. But yeah, I mean I like to think I'm a super lawyer. It's nice to get that accolade, but if anything maybe it gives you a little more of a push to, hopefully you are a super lawyer and as you entered new cases and dealing with new clients. But yes, it's a nice award. It's good to feel that, recognized that way by your peers, by your other lawyers that you practice with, because it's competitive, you're competing with them for business. But in Rhode Island it's a very collegial legal community, it's a small legal community, which is one of the things I like about practicing there. So yes, it's nice. It's a nice award to get. Maura:                 Well and the fact that it's given by your peers, that is more impressive, I think, than if it was a selection committee, because it really shows the kind of impact and reputation that you have. Mary:                    Yeah. So it, yeah, it's good. It's a good feeling to have that award. Maura:                 Plus it's a fun title, too, which I think you can throw on a cape and really take off. Maura:                 So I'd love to hear a little bit about your professional journey since you graduated from Holy Cross. Mary:                    Sure. So I graduated right in 2002 and then practiced at a couple smaller firms up in Massachusetts for I think all told about two years before I came down to Rhode Island in 2003 and started practicing where I am now. So I feel as if I've been at Bliss and Cavanagh for most of my career. During law school, I worked at some smaller firms, I also interned with a judge and things like that. So I would say that the pre-Bliss and Cavanagh experience also encompasses those jobs I had in the summers during law school. Mary:                    But yeah, I mean it was good to go. Bliss and Cavanagh in Rhode Island is considered a medium sized firm, but it's pretty small. It's about, right now, I think we have 11 lawyers. At some point, I think we've had 12 or 13, but not like the big law, big type of firm. Mary:                    I never practice there. Joe and Jim obviously will have different thoughts on that. But I, starting out, in Boston and then coming down to Rhode Island, I did notice a change. I think in Rhode Island I was able to get into court more. The legal community, they're smaller, there's more, in Massachusetts, a lot of the motions and things like that that young lawyers handle are handled primarily on the papers, meaning you don't go into court. So I think professionally, for me, it was starting out pretty new in Rhode Island I was able to get into court a lot and that was a good part of my development. I think we handle a lot of cases in our office staffed one or two lawyers, so from an early age there's no kind of mentorship program in a smaller firm, so you learn a lot on your feet. Mary:                    And I think that's how I've been, a bit, I suppose to my role as the oldest it was, I was the first one to work with my father. He never worked with his father, so that was kind of a new thing in the family legal lore that I kind of just walking into, and it worked out great. But all of those things, I mean, professionally I found that being a young lawyer, you come out of law school, you have a lot to learn. You have a lot to learn about the business side of law. I think in law school you're just typically focused on the concepts and the principles and things like that. But I think going into a law firm, you start to look at the business side of it from the client's view and being efficient and things like that. Mary:                    But in terms of subject area of law, I think you could, you gleaned from the bio. I mean we do litigation and trial work for a lot of different areas, subject areas of law. We're not pigeonholed in one area as like tax law, or family law, or something like that. So I think coming into it, I really liked that about my job. It's also one of the most challenging things about my job, because every time you get a new case, even 16 years in, sometimes you feel like you're only a couple of years off school if it's not as subject area you've dealt with very recently. Mary:                    But I also think too, it gives you a lot of confidence, because once you've been through a case and gotten up to speed and recognized it, you see that you can apply the skills that you've learned to basically a lot of different subject areas. When it gets to the point of someone suing someone or defending a lawsuit and things like that. I do think that having the independence, being able to have really take control of the case early on, and really have client contact early on is really helpful because it gives you a broader perspective of what you're doing. If you're one of a team of 15 lawyers just maybe assigned to just one piece of a case, I think you learn more by really sitting with the client. Then you go into court, you see how the judge views it, you start to bring that into it. And I think that that is something that Holy Cross, that whole idea of the holistic learning experience and having it be meaningful. And why are we here and why are we learning? Mary:                    Just having that view intellectually is really helpful in this profession, because you're always dealing with a lot of competing interests there. And so, yeah, so Rhode Island is a great place to practice. Practicing with my brother and father for me has been extremely rewarding. I mean I think it's something that I can't say enough about how much I, without even thinking about it, I think I mentioned, I never would have pictured that when I was even going to law school, I wanted to be a lawyer. Mary:                    I was into the law and I had that background from hearing my father talk about cases. But now having worked with Joe and things like that, the kind of trust that's there and also just the respect that you have for your siblings and your father is great. And I find myself, when I talk to other peers who graduated when I did from law school, it wasn't the best legal market at that time, and I think it was tough. I think a lot of people have moved from firm to firm or I think of one woman who worked with me early on, she ended up, a lot of them ended up starting their own firms and things like that, and have been very successful. Mary:                    But I find myself lucky to have landed where I have. I think I just find myself feeling very blessed and fortunate to be there. Maura:                 That's wonderful. Yeah. Well and it's nice that especially after working somewhere for a while, to still have that feeling is really, really powerful. Mary:                    Right. Maura:                 Well, and since you talked about Holy Cross and its holistic mission and holistic approach, I'd love to know a little bit about how Holy Cross's mission has influenced your life. Mary:                    Well, I think very much so the men and women for others. I mean, I think you go into each day, I have a faith and I go to church and pray about how I can sort of be open to what I can do to help people find their way or do something for others and things like that. So that kind of idea of like that discernment and that idea of why are you here and why are you doing this at this moment? I think has stayed with me as you go through each challenge, and really just that idea of bringing kind of an ethical or meaningful perspective to every situation. Mary:                    In other words people, there's that whole rap on lawyers, you're ambulance chasers, you're just trying to make money and things like that. And I think just to get beyond that and just to say, "Well actually no, if you think about it, what is a lawyer doing?" You're actually, you're helping people understand laws that are there to protect them in this whole system of law. And one of the things I always, I've talked to Jim about this, is at Holy Cross, I took some, I was a history major but I also focused near the end in Chinese history. And Professor Turner, who was here, she did a really great seminar on the law and human rights in China. Mary:                    It was actually kind of interesting because studying the way China views the legal system and the Chinese legal system actually made me really appreciate our system here. And just that whole idea that I think we all are raised in this society with this idea of the law and the laws are here to protect us. But if you compare that to some of the way laws are in other parts of the world where it's really just like a ruse. It's not even an actual legal system. The whole idea of innocent till proven guilty, and you have to go through these processes, and we have these systems in place. It got me really kind of energized to learn more about our system. And I think of that still, because people come with a real preconception of the fix is in, and I don't have a big, a big name lawyer, and it isn't this system. People are cynical now about our legal system, and about our government in general. Mary:                    And I find, I think, one of the things is to just kind of stick to the basics and recognize the work of good lawyers, if you follow, there's ways within the system to make the system work for people. And so that whole idea of any situation looking at how can you, as a lawyer in the system, help the system work the way it's supposed to be. Right? By working hard, by being efficient, by really representing your client's interests the way they're meant to be represented. And I think that kind of integrity and just that that kind of meaningfulness you bring to your work, it's sort of something that always stays with me as I work through the challenges I have now. And I think that started at Holy Cross, because it was like there was those classes that were very intense both intellectually, but they also really got you thinking about why are you doing this? Why are you studying this? That's a really long winded answer, but that's also, I blame Holy Cross for that. You can't just give a quick answer. Mary:                    Yeah, is that enough for the mission? I don't know, but. Maura:                 Well, I think what's nice is you've worked this in a little bit already, but I'd love to know how you've taken all of that and taken your life experience and crafted your own mission. What mission drives you and how did you form that for yourself? Mary:                    Well, it's been a process. I'd like to think that when I was born, I just read the mission and went off on my way. It didn't really work that way, there were some bumps along the way. But really, I think it's really about listening to yourself, but also recognizing your strengths and weaknesses. Right? And what is God calling you to do? I mean, and what do you want to do? Sometimes you go, it's that whole thing. They say you pray, pray, pray so hard for what you think you want, but then you have to sit and listen. Mary:                    Maybe God is saying, "No, that's not really what you need. It's what you want." That's what you think. You think you want this big job, but then all of a sudden I think it's more of that discernment and that ability to listen and just say, "Okay, that didn't work out the way I thought it would. What can I do with this situation?" And I think that that's taken a lot of time. I mean, I think it's something that you have to practice and you have to really be open to. But hopefully I've found that dealing with people who are in different amounts of distress and being kind of like as a lawyer, I think you're part, you're an advocate, but you're also part psychologist sometimes, too. Because when people come to you, they're in a lot of times, really tough times. Mary:                    So you end up talking to them and you end up thinking about your own life and how, not just how you can help them, but how when controversy or conflict arises in your life, how you've talked to your clients and you find yourself talking to yourself that way. And so my mission is just to be kind of trying to listen. It's hard for me. I'm a big talker. So for me the challenge is always to kind of just shut up and listen to what people are saying, but actually really reflect on it and discern and use my experience to help them, really, and to just use, as I said, my talents that I've been given by God to just help people advocate for themselves. And so I think if anything, that's how I find meaning and what I do regardless of what kind of case it is I think those things kind of stay the same through every situation. Maura:                 Yeah. Yeah. And just good skills for life, as you said, for really all aspects of life. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you talked a little bit about your time at Holy Cross, but I'd love for you to think back to when you were a student and really talk to us about what stands out about your time on campus, and how it's really prepared you to tackle some of these challenges. Because your job is handling others, but also how it helps you prepare to tackle some of your own. Mary:                    Well, it's been a while, but I found Holy Cross to be a great place to learn through challenges. I mean, I found it to be academically challenging from the start. I think there was no class you could hide in, there were smaller classes and so you really had to focus and do your work. Mary:                    And I found, unlike high school where I think I worked my hardest in the first few years, I found here, by the end, I was working a lot harder and getting much better grades, I think because I really enjoyed the learning of it. And I found that some of the seminars and things that I took later in my later years, you had to speak, you had to not just write, you had to express yourself in speaking, as well as writing with a lot of challenges, not just from the professors or from students there. And that's something that carries through to this day in the law. I mean, you're constantly having to advocate both in writing and orally. And so that kind of a preparation and those challenges I definitely carry with, stay with me as I work through the cases I have now. Mary:                    But yeah, I think, I don't know, it's been so long. Sorry. Maura:                 Yeah, no, and that's fine. I mean, I think if anything, the fact that it has been awhile comes to show what really stood out the most. Mary:                    Yeah. Yeah. And it did. And it was. It was challenging for me. I mean, I had a background. I went to a public high school, which was a great high school. I was kind of a student athlete type of thing. I wasn't a real serious student, necessarily. And I definitely came out of Holy Cross, I think, much smarter and much more focused as a student. I think I always had intellectual capabilities, and I think then in law school too, and the Holy Cross foundation, I guess is the right word, really has helped me go through in all these different challenges, just high quality intellectual back and forth and really thinking things through and things like that. Mary:                    All of those skills, those critical skills and really just being in a group of people who, an excellent level of people. Because I do think that that's one thing you remember. I don't know if it was my mom saying that you are in this rarefied world in college because everyone you encounter, a lot of people, professors, everyone's on this certain level. Maura:                 Yeah. Mary:                    Right? Maura:                 Right. Mary:                    And I think you go out in the world and you recognize that that's not always the case. And that could be for one reason or another, but I'm always grateful and I definitely think that that started here at Holy Cross, that idea that there is a sort of a higher level that things can be at and that you can do what you can to kind of keep that level within you and bring that to whatever situation you're at. So I found it challenging here. Mary:                    And I was a student athlete. I mean that was certainly a challenge balancing that. And I find now, you look back and laugh. You say, "Oh I had a few volleyball games I had to balance it with my studies." And now with three children and working full time. Wow. I would like to say I taught me how to balance, but the kind of balancing I thought I was doing then is a little different. I'm sure you probably can relate. Maura:                 You get eased into that, too. Mary:                    But I suppose from that perspective, that's where you started. It's hard. It's tough here. I remember one professor telling me very clearly when I went in to try and say, "Well, I have the Patriot League Tournament." He was like, "Well, too bad. What's the Patriot league?" Mary:                    If I kind of thought of myself as more athlete than student, he quickly corrected me of that. So that was something that I did, but I appreciate that. I think that's one of those things you don't appreciate it until later, but then when you hear of other experiences at schools where the academics aren't taken as seriously and maybe it's more of a party school and things like that, that is definitely one of those things, as you get older you recognize that was a good thing. Maura:                 Yeah. Mary:                    It was maybe hard to hear, but I think at the time I recognized it, too. We weren't the top athletic team here. I wasn't here in a full scholarship or something like that. But that was a balance. And I worked. I did work at a few jobs when I was here, as well. But primarily I think the most challenging part was the academics and keeping up with it and just keeping it getting better as you went through it. Right? Maura:                 Right. Mary:                    Instead of transferring or something. Maura:                 Right? Yeah. Working through the challenges. Mary:                    Yeah. Maura:                 Yes. Absolutely. Mary:                    I think that is a common theme for most Holy Cross grads is just pushing through, despite the incredible workload that just keeps getting piled on and on and on. And yet we all graduate and so somehow it all gets done. Maura:                 Right, right. That was my mantra. Somehow it will get done. Maura:                 How has your Holy Cross education influenced the way you practice law? Mary:                    So I think I touched on this in my previous answer. I mean, I just think that whole idea of when you practice just trying to do the best you can every day with every client, taking them as they come in and listening to them. And then really listening to them and then explaining to them how you can help them with their legal problem. Right? And then explaining to them what a lawyer can do for them versus what they think a lawyer can do for them, or what they think they can get if they're paying someone to do something. But within an ethical framework. So explaining to them, this is what we can do for you. This is the law, this is the law that will help your case. This is how we can help you win your case. But here are the cons, I suppose, to that. And also here's what we won't do ethically. Mary:                    I mean that definitely is informed by obviously an ethical, obviously it's informed by our faith, as well, but our moral center. And that was obviously a big part of the Holy Cross and the Jesuit education ethic. But yeah, I mean I think just bringing excellence, bringing humanity sort of into each interaction with the person, seeing them as a whole person, as opposed to just like another case, another file. I think that that's something that I really work at. It's easy to just forget that, the people. Mary:                    And I think that goes into any interaction you have in the law. You're always interacting with all kinds of really high level judges and lawyers, but then clerks and other people like that. And then public defenders, we've done, Joe and I, have done some prosecution work. So you encounter in the court system, you really do encounter all different levels of society, and so I think you go into it just with a sort of a humility about that. And then just recognizing that you're just a part of that. And so I think in each case you just have to keep that in mind. And what I think is that, look, I think the system is only as good as the people who are working within it. So I think you have to hold yourself to that standard. Right? And just keep those standards in mind as you practice. Maura:                 Well, and probably I would guess that the fact that you do work so hard to focus on the whole person contributes to why you've been recognized as a super lawyer for all of these years and received these awards. Because it's not easy to do when you're busy, when you're stressed, when you have a lot to do. And people may or may not understand the constraints that you have around you with the law and with your work. So it goes to show that it's work worth doing to really take that extra step and focus on the person along with their challenges. Yeah. So I commend you for that. Maura:                 What's been the most satisfying or rewarding moment in your work? Mary:                    Well, gosh, that's hard. There's been a few. I mean, I think one of the most satisfying things for me, we don't try as many cases than just the litigators in general. Joe and I have talked about this, and say my dad did. He was trying cases all the time. And I always emulated, I always thought the full package of being a lawyer was to be able to try a case from start to finish on my own, even though you always have people along the way. And there were times in my career where I didn't think I could do that or I thought maybe I'm in the wrong profession, I don't have the right temperament for this, and I got frustrated, and things like that. Mary:                    So I did finally try a full jury case from start to finish on my own. And that to me, even though I technically lost the case, because they, without getting into too much detail. But to me, the way I felt after that, was by far the most satisfying moment for me and my entire career, because I actually had to fight against my own negativity of myself. And I just had to go forward. And I think that it really showed me, too, that I had more. Over the years, you don't get in court and try cases as much, so you start to have this almost inferiority complex as a lawyer. Like I don't know if I could do this, we don't try cases the way people used to, and things like that. And so to go in there and actually pick a jury, and try a jury case, and kind of practice all the things we've learned since law school in real time or something like that. That to me it was very satisfying for me, because I think I'm hopeful that that'll help me going forward. Mary:                    I think I learned probably like 10 years worth of stuff that'll help my practice, to help me be a better lawyer in probably a six month period. And so for me, trying to be efficient, cram a lot of things in, that was amazing to me. Maura:                 That was great. Mary:                    And then another satisfying thing for me, I guess on a personal side, was that I've worked with my father for all these years and I've always emulated him. I'm the oldest and your parents, if they're good parents, because I'm a parent now, you never give your kids too much praise, because you're always trying to bring out the best in them and things like that. And so he would work with me on cases sometimes he'd really oversee them. As I went on and on, he pulled back a little bit and let me handle them primarily on my own. And I handled the case pretty much on my own, ended up winning it, a case that he typically would have handled. And so that for me too was like a very kind of, it just, again, like the trial, it really showed me what I had learned and how I can move forward. It was a real confidence booster for me too. And also just to be able to recognize that I think he would have had to trust me a pretty fair amount to give me that. Maura:                 Yeah. Right. Mary:                    Because I raise my own kids I recognize that. As I'm trying to let them go you recognize that as a parent that's not always so easy, because you've seen them from the time they were young. So both of those things I think were, and at a high level, career wise in terms of being a lawyer, satisfying. Because, really, you don't know when those opportunities are going to come up. So I found that those are two things that I feel really grateful for and that they were great moments for me. Maura:                 That's wonderful. Jim:                        She's doing pretty well with our dad. He still doesn't let me drive his car when I'm home. Mary:                    He's either just thrown up his and given up, or he's giving us more responsibility. You be the judge. Maura:                 Well, and my last question for you is, what advice would you have for someone who's interested in pursuing a career in law? Mary:                    My advice would be just really to be honest with yourself about why you're doing it. And then talk to some lawyers and see what maybe their biggest regrets were or what they think practicing law is all about. Because I think, law school a lot of times I think people just go into it because it's something that if you don't really know what you want to do with a liberal arts degree, you just kind of go to law school. A lot of people do that. I don't know if they do that anymore. Maura:                 Less so. But it used to be. Mary:                    Used to be one of those things. So I would say, I think the law is a great profession. Like in a Holy Cross education, I mean, I think it gives you a good foundation to maybe do a lot of different things in life. As your life changes if you want to teach law or if you want to go work for our company and go in house. I've had many female peers of mine who've had families have done that successfully, gone in-house and had a different kind of law career. But I would say, just really discern, really think about why you want to go to law school and what you want to do. Because it's a big commitment and it's a hard profession, and you're constantly challenged. Mary:                    I mean, if you want that kind of job that you can just show up, punch the clock, you know what to expect every day, and just come home, law is not for you. It's always changing. It's always challenging. And that's why I love it. That's what I would say to someone. Maura:                 Yeah. And that is good advice, because it has since the financial crisis, it's changed significantly. Mary:                    Right, right. Maura:                 Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mary:                    You're welcome. Maura:                 That's our show. I hope you enjoyed hearing about just one of the many ways that Holy Cross alumni have been inspired by the mission to be men and women for and with others. A special thanks to today's guests and everyone at Holy Cross who has contributed to making this podcast a reality. If you or someone you know would like to be featured on this podcast, please send us an email at alumnicareers@holycross.edu. If you like what you hear, then please leave us a review. This podcast is brought to you by the office of alumni relations at the college of the Holy Cross. You can subscribe for future episodes wherever you find your podcasts. I'm your host, Maura Sweeney, and this is Mission-Driven. In the words of Saint Ignatius of Loyola, "Now go forth and set the world on fire". --- Theme music composed by Scott Holmes, courtesy of freemusicarchive.org.

Today's poem is Richard Wilbur's "October Maples, Portland." Remember: rate, review, spread the word. The leaves, though little time they have to live,Were never so unfallen as today,And seem to yield us through a rustled sieveThe very light from which time fell away.A showered fire we thought forever lostRedeems the air. Where friends in passing meet,They parley in the tongues of Pentecost.Gold ranks of temples flank the dazzled street.It is light of maples, and will go;But not before it washes eye and brainWith such a tincture, such a sanguine glowAs cannot fail to leave a lasting stain.So Mary’s laundered mantle (in the taleWhich, like all pretty tales, may still be true),Spread on the rosemary-bush, so drenched the paleSlight blooms in its irradiated hue,They could not choose but to return in blue. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dr. Hayes interviews Dr. Freireich on his involvement with combination chemotherapy.   TRANSCRIPT: The purpose of this podcast is to educate and to inform. This is not a substitute for professional medical care and is not intended for use in the diagnosis or treatment of individual conditions. Guests on this podcast express their own opinions, experience, and conclusions. The mention of any product, service, organization, activity, or therapy should not be construed as an ASCO endorsement. Welcome to JCO's Cancer Stories, the Art of Oncology, brought to you by the ASCO Podcast Network, a collection of nine programs covering a range of educational and scientific content and offering enriching insight into the world of cancer care. You can find all of the shows, including this one, at podcast.asco.org. Welcome to Cancer Stories. I'm Dr. Daniel Hayes. I'm a medical oncologist and a translational researcher at the University of Michigan Rogel Cancer Center. And I've also had the privilege of being the past president of the American Society of Clinical Oncology. I'm privileged to be your host for a series of podcast interviews with the people who founded our field. Over the last 40 years, I've been fortunate to have been trained, mentored, and also, frankly, inspired by these pioneers. In fact, it's my hope that, through these conversations, we can all be equally inspired by gaining an appreciation of the courage, the vision, and the scientific understanding that led these men and women to establish the field of clinical cancer care over the last 70 years. In fact, by understanding how we got to the present and what we now consider normal in oncology, we can also imagine, and we can work together towards a better future for our patients and their families during and after cancer treatment. Today, my guest on this podcast is Dr. Emil J. Freireich, who is generally considered one of the pioneers of combination chemotherapy. Dr. Freireich is currently the Ruth Harriet Haynesworth chair and distinguished teaching professor in the Department of Leukemia at the Division of Cancer Medicine at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. He was raised in Chicago during the Great Depression, the son of Hungarian immigrants. Dr. Freireich attended the University of Illinois College of Medicine in Chicago starting, unbelievably, at age 16. And from there, he also received a medical degree in 1949. He completed his internship at Cook County Hospital and his residency at Presbyterian Hospital in Chicago. He then moved to Boston, where he studied hematology with Dr. Joseph Ross at Mass. General. And then he went to the NIH in 1955, where he stayed until he moved to MD Anderson a decade later. And there he still remains. He and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute, Drs. Jim Holland and Emil "Tom" Frei, were the first to demonstrate that administering concurrent combination chemotherapy, rather than giving it sequentially with each episode of disease progression, resulted in complete responses in childhood acute lymphocytic leukemia. And that paper was first published in the now classic paper in Blood in 1958. In the mid-1960s, they ultimately developed the VAMP regimen. And that was reported in 1965, with really, in my opinion, the first cures that we'd seen with chemotherapy in an advanced cancer of any sort. This work was the groundbreaking basis for the subsequent cures of advanced Hodgkin's disease, non-Hodgkin's lymphomas, adult leukemias, testicular cancer, and, in my opinion, the striking results of adjuvant combination chemotherapy in breast and many other cancers. Dr. Freireich has authored over 500 peer-reviewed papers, numerous reviews and editorials. He's edited 16 different textbooks. And he's won too many awards and honors for me to even begin to list. But in particular in 1972, he received the Lasker Award, America's most highly regarded medical honor. And most importantly to me, frankly, is that he proceeded me as president of ASCO in 1980 to 1981. Dr. Freireich, I'm sorry for the long introduction. But your career is pretty substantial. Welcome to our program. Thank you. I have a number of questions. And to start with, I know, as I said, you grew up in Chicago during the depression and that you entered college at the age of 16. And I think our listeners would love to hear more about those circumstances. That's pretty unusual. And I've actually read about some of your childhood. You want to tell us more about that and how was it you chose medicine in the first place? I was born 1927 of to immigrant Hungarians. I had an older sister three years older. And they had a Hungarian restaurant in Chicago. And 1929, when I was two years old, there was a big event in the United States. They lost their restaurant. My father died suddenly, I believe of suicide, but not proven. And my mother, tough mother, went to work in a sweatshop. She worked 20 hours a day. She had two children. She found an Irish lady who worked for room and board only, no salary. Her name was Mary. So Mary was my ex officio mother. And I grew up, as you pointed out, in a ghetto community. I spent my life stealing things, hubcaps and windshield wipers, and avoiding getting crushed by the roving gangs. When I finished elementary school and when I went to a ghetto high school called Tuley, T-U-L-E-Y. In Tuley High School, I majored in typing and shorthand. My mother thought I could make a living as a secretary. I was prepubescent, short and fat. And I was a frequent victim of my colleagues in school. When I was very young, I can't tell you when, about eight or so, I developed tonsillitis. And we had in our little ghetto community one of these Tree Grows in Brooklyn physicians. His name was Dr. Rosenblum. And he took care of people in the ghetto for favors. My mother made him goulash. Dr. Rosenblum came to your house. He didn't have an office, because we didn't have any transportation. So my mother called him. And I had tonsillitis. He came and looked to me. He was wearing a suit and tie. I'd never seen that. During the depression, all the men wore coveralls and dirty pants. And he looks very elegant. He had a suit and a tie. He looked in my throat, and he said to my mother, the treatment for tonsillitis is ice cream. I always remember Dr. Rosenblum, because my mother had to go out and buy ice scream. And it's not bad treatment. It actually cools off the hot throat. So when I went to high school, taking shorthand and typing and getting beaten up by the bigger guys, a professor appeared like Dr. Rosenblum, suit and tie, young guy, PhD. Came to a ghetto high school to teach physics. Physics fascinated me. So I worked very hard in physics. He had a contest. I did a project on the Bernoulli theorem. And the classic project is a jet of water. You put a ping pong ball in it. And the ping pong ball stays in the jet, amazingly. That was because of Bernoulli. What happens when the ping pong ball goes off to one side, the fluid goes faster on the other side. It reduces the pressure, and that pushes it back in the stream. And that's the principle of airplanes and so on and so forth. So I won first prize. And he called me to his office. He said, Mr. Freireich, you should go to college. I said, what's college? He said, well, there's-- [LAUGHTER] He said there's a place down south of here called the University of Illinois where you can get advanced studies. What do you want to be when you grow up? So I thought a minute, and I said, I want to be like Dr. Rosenblum. I want to be a family doctor. He said, well, you have to go to college first. So I said, what do I need to go to college? He said you need about $25, which in that day was a lot of money. So I went home, and I told if it was my mother, my professor wants me to go to college. And I need $25. My mother, she's hardened in the depression, working in sweatshops. And she said, OK, I'm going to get $25. She asked around in the little Hungarian ghetto community. And we found a lady who had lost her husband and had an insurance policy. And so she had money. And she distributed it to her colleagues in the ghetto community for good causes, wonderful lady. So my mother dressed me up in a borrowed suit. And we went to see Mrs. so-and-so. And she patted my head and gave my mother $25. It's an incredible story. In fact, I'm struck by the fact that one of the founders of our field was a juvenile delinquent stealing hubcaps. Oh, yeah. I did that to hubcaps and windshield wipers and everything you could take off a car. I got a ticket on the Illinois Central Railroad, $6. I got off the Champaign-Urbana. And I said to the guy, where's the university? He said, over there. I went over there. I said, where do you register. They said, over there. So I went over there. And I said, I'm Freireich, and I'm registering for college. The guy said, where's your transcript. I said, well, they told me at the high school that they would send everything they needed. He said, we've never had a student from Tuley High School. I was the first to go. I was the first Tuley student to go to college. And he said, OK, I'll register you. And I'll write the university, and I'll get your transcript. I presume you're qualified. So how much is registration? $6! So I'm down to $13. I'm getting pretty poor. So I registered. And then I said, where do I live? He said, there's a list over there. And I went over there. I found the lady who lost her husband. She rented his bedroom for $6. And then I had to figure out how to eat. And I asked my friend the registrar, where do I eat? He said, go to work in one of these rich sorority houses. You get free meals. So I waited tables in a sorority house. I got good grades. When I had to elect a language, I took German, because at that time, all the science was in the Festschrift. The Germans had invented the chemical industry. And my advisor said, that's good for you if you want to be a doctor. So I took German. My professor in German, he taught stage German. And he read the role the first day. And he came to my name and he said Freireich, [EXAGGERATING "CH" SOUND] because, he said, Americans can't say. [EXAGGERATED "CH" SOUND] Everybody called me "Freireish." But he called me Freireich [EXAGGERATING "CH" SOUND]. And our book was called, Ich lerne Deutsch, I'm learning German. So "ich" was important. Freireich was important. I got an A in German because of my great name. And I did well in physics. And everything was accelerated during the war. So the university had three semesters a year instead of two. There was no summer. And the requirements for medical school were dropped from three years to two years. So two years is four semesters. So at the end of the first year, I was eligible for medical school. And my physics professor said, you better apply, because all the guys coming out of the military want to be doctors. So I said, aw, damn, I'm having such a good time scrubbing floors and smoking and getting along with good looking girls. He said, you better do it. So I applied. And I was accepted. So I had to leave the beautiful campus of Champaign-Urbana and go back to the ghetto of Chicago where my mother and my sister were living. And I couldn't figure out where I was going to get the money to pay for medical school. I had a friend who had had polio. Polio was rampant in those days. And I said to him, how do you get money to go to college? He said he gets money from the state, rehabilitation. And he said my rehab guy is coming to see me tomorrow. Why don't you come and see if you're eligible? So the rehab guy came. He said, what's wrong with you, Freireich? I said, I had a broken leg in college. He said, OK, fill in the forms. And I became a ward of the state of Illinois Department of Rehabilitation. From that point on, they paid all my tuition, all my supplies, all my microscope rentals, and so on. So I went to medical school free thanks to the State of Illinois Department of rehabilitation. So I went to Chicago. And a bunch of us sat in the room for the opening introduction. And the dean of the medical school came in. His name was Andrew C Ivey. I don't know if you know the name, famous GI physiologist. And Dr. Ivey said, you guys are lucky to be in medical school. There were 20 applicants for everyone accepted, 20. Isn't that's amazing? Because all the guys who were medics in the military realized that being a doctor is a soft job. So they all wanted to be doctors. But they didn't have as good an academic career as I did. So anyhow, I went to medical school. I did pretty well. It was complicated, medical school. I had to ride the L in Chicago. It cost a nickel. And I lived at home. And I rode the L in the morning. And I walked to the university campus. I attended classes. I walked to the L. And I went back home. And I did that for four years. And then, as I said, I graduated number six in the class. And I graduated. And I had to decide where to do an intern. I wanted to be a family doctor like Dr. Rosenblum. So I interned at Cook County Hospital. Cook County Hospital was an abattoir, terrible place. In that year, 1949, the two most prominent diseases were tuberculosis and polio. So my first rotation was the TB ward. That was horrible what you had to do to those men. 90% of them died. Then my next rotation was infectious diseases. And that was all children in iron lungs who were doomed to die. So I started off pretty badly. And then I got to the good things like surgery. I delivered a hundred babies. I did the ear, nose and throat. So I did everything. And I felt ready to go into practice. And then I got to internal medicine. Internal medicine was not like OB and all that stuff, not mechanical. It was intellectual. You had the worry about the blood flow to the kidney. And you had to get diuretics and blood and stuff. So internal medicine fascinated me. When I was on-call, I would admit 20 new patients a night, 20. And one guy I admitted was very interesting. He was a learned guy. And he was dying of heart failure. And I had to figure out how to treat him. And I admitted him. And when I got done, exhausted in the morning, I went to make rounds. And I didn't see him. And I said to the nurse, where's Mr. so-and-so. She said, don't worry about him. He's gone. I said, where did he go. She said he goes into the death room. Cook County Hospital, the problem was they had too many patients for the beds. And the head nurse made rounds every day. And the sickest patients went to the death room. And I went in there. And I found my patient. And I said to the nurse, I want my patient on the ward. I'm a young squirt. How old was I? I was 19, I think. So the next day, I get a call from the hospital director. He says, Freireich, I think you better leave County. I said, what do you mean? I'm having a good time. I'm learning everything. He said, you don't know how we operate. The nurses run the ward. And you make trouble. And that means you've got to leave. Uh-oh. So I said, well, the only thing I can do is get a residency in medicine and learn all this complicated stuff. So next door was Presbyterian Hospital, which had the Rush Clinic. Have you heard the rush clinic? They were a bunch of famous guys. I made rounds with Roland Woodyatt, the first physician in the United States to use insulin. I made rounds with-- I forgot the name of the cardiologist who described coronary artery disease. He was the first to recognize the association between chest pain and myocardial infarction. So these guys were great. And Olie Poll, who taught me EKG-- And I was going along fine. But again, the chair of medicine was a Harvard import, S Howard Armstrong. And he had a teaching service. And all the house staff wanted to be on the teaching service where they learned stuff. Private doctors, of course, were offended. So they descended on administration. And they fired the chair of medicine. Armstrong was fired. The house staff teaching service was disbanded. And Armstrong tried to tend to his house. He called me in. He said, Freireich, what do you know about medicine? I said, Dr. Armstrong, you got a wonderful department. I learned EKG. I learned diabetes. I learned heart. I learned everything. The only thing I don't know anything about is hematology, because the guy who teaches hematology is a jerk. Armstrong said, don't worry, Freireich. Go to Boston, that's where the new medicine is coming from Europe. And he gave me letters to the three great hematologists in Boston, Bill Dameshek, Joe Ross, and Dr. Israel, who was a clotter. So I took everything I owned. I put it in my 1946 fastback, broken down Oldsmobile. And I drove to Boston. When I got to Boston, I met Dr. Ross. The guy in the lab who was the chief was so Stuart Finch. I think he just retired. And I collaborated with a young man named Aaron Miller who worked at the VA hospital. And my project funded. Dameshek gave me a job but no money. Israel gave me a job, no money. Ross gave me a job and paid me $5,000 a year, wonderful. So I became a hematologist. I worked on the mechanism of the anemia of inflammation. I studied patients with rheumatoid arthritis. And we had radioisotopes. So I was able to study the iron metabolism and the binding to transferrant. And we did experiments in dogs. And we worked out the mechanism of the anemia. The biggest hematology group in the country, the Wintrobe group, who wrote the textbook, had proven that the anemia of inflammation was due to a failure to incorporate iron into heme. And we found that that was false. When we put the ion on transferrant, it went right into heme. The difficulty was the reutilization of iron from hemoglobin to new heme. And we proved that in dogs. We did experiments with turpentine abcesses in dogs. So I was on a roll. I was doing Nobel laureate stuff. I mean, I gave a paper to the AAP. I gave a paper to the ASCI. I was doing well. And one day I got a letter. You are drafted into the army as a private. If you don't want to be a private, you can become a second lieutenant if you accept the assignment we give you. So I told Ross, I'm leaving. I got to go. I tried to finish up all my experiments. I told my wife we're in trouble. We didn't know what we'd do. We had one baby, one-year-old. She was pregnant with our second child. I didn't tell you the story about my wife. What happened is the head nurse in the clinic, like me, she came for a visit to Boston. They broke into my car and stole her luggage. And so we became attached. And we got married. And we've been married 65 years. But anyhow, she got a job at Mass. General. I had a job at Mass. Memorial. We had enough money to live. And as I say, she got pregnant, and we had babies. And I got this letter that I'm drafted. So I said to my wife, we have to go to the Army. The next morning, I get a call from Chester Scott. Keefer, who you already mentioned-- Dr. Keefer was the physician in charge of the penicillin distribution during the war. He was a very famous infectious disease doctor. He was a brilliant teacher and respected and loved by everybody. When Eisenhower was elected president, as you probably know, like all Republicans, he wanted to decrease the size of the government. So he decided to combine three cabinet departments, Health, Education, and Welfare, into one. That was obviously going to save positions and money. And he appointed Oveta Culp Hobby, who was the publisher of the Houston Post newspaper. She didn't know anything about health. She didn't know anything about education or anything about welfare. So what she did was she hired three people as department heads. And she picked Dr. Keefer to be head of health. Dr. Keefer would not give up the dean of the medical school. So she agreed to have him do both jobs. He was dean of the medical school and Secretary of Health. And he called me to his office. And we all respected Dr. Keefer. You dressed up in a new coat and clicked your heels and said, yes, sir. He said, Freireich, Dr. Ross says you're doing good. Thank you, sir. Have you ever heard of the National Institutes of Health? No, sir. There's a place in Washington where they have a hospital out in the country. And they can't staff it. So we have to send young people who are drafted there. If you go to the public health service, you don't have to go in the army and get shot during the war. Yes, sir. He picked up the phone. Fred, I have a doctor Freireich in my office. He'll be there tomorrow morning. Bye. Thank you. I went home. I told my wife, I have to go to Washington. I got in my car, drove to Washington, 200 miles in a broken down car. I got there. I found the guy at the HEW. He said, Freireich, you have to go to NIH. So go out here and take the bus. It takes you to the clinical center. Before the war, they decided to put a clinical center in the campus of the National Institutes of Health, which were all basic science institutes. There was no medicine. So here was this hospital, and they couldn't staff it. So they took all the draft dodgers. They called us yellow berets. And they staff the NIH with guys right out of their training. So anyhow, I got in my car and drove out there. Where's NIH? There. Who do I talk to? There, you go there. I talked to all the clinical directors. No one needed me. I got to Gordon Zubrod, who had just come from St. Louis University. He was an infectious disease guy. Do you know Gordon Zubrod? Yeah, I actually met him a couple of times with Dr. Frei. Good, yes. Actually, I'd love to hear this story. Dr. Frei has told me the story, your first day at the NCI when you, quote, "found your office." Can you tell us about that one? Yeah. So anyhow, Dr. Zubrod said, what do you do, Freireich? I said, I'm a hematologist. He scratched his head. And he said, I'll tell you what, you have to cure leukemia. I said, yes, sir. You know I'm in the military, so you have to do what you're told. He said, your office is on the 12th floor. I went up to the the 12th floor. I walked along, looked for a name. I came to room that said Emil Frei. I said, isn't that like the damn government? They can't even spell my name. So I walked in. And there was a tall, skinny guy with no hair. I said, sir, you're in my office. He said, your office is next door. I'm Frei. You're Freireich. And we've been friends for a lifetime. He told that story to us many, many times, I'm going to tell you. He thought that was hilarious that this guy walked into his office and said, you're in my office. And he said, no, you're in my office. The other thing I want to talk about then, as you moved on, what made you and Dr. Frei and Dr. Holland decide to go at combination therapy? I think it was based on the infectious disease stuff. Correct, totally. At the time, we had three drugs, 6-MP, methotrexate, prednisone, 48, 53, and about 54, something. Each individually gave some responses. They lasted six to eight weeks. And the children all died. So the world's authority on hematology, Max Wintrobe, wrote a review. And he said, these drugs are simply torturing these children. And they don't do anything. Dameshek wrote editorials in Blood saying they're just killing children. So we were not very popular. But Zubrod came from infectious disease. And Tom Frei was infectious disease. And they had just discovered that in tuberculosis, if you use sequential streptomycin PAS, they became resistant to both drugs. If you gave them simultaneously, their effectiveness was prolonged. So combinations of agents were more effective than the sequences. So Zubrod said, why don't we do the same thing for cancer? We'll do 6-MP and methotrexate in sequence. And we'll do them in combination. To do the combination, we had to work out the doses. Dave Rolle did that in mice. 60% of two immunosuppressive drugs make one. And we gave 6-MP and methotrexate concurrently and in full dose sequentially, that is until they failed, we gave the other one. And the study was called Protocol 1. Jim Holland had gone to Roswell Park. And he agreed to join us. So we became the first acute leukemia cooperative group, Holland at Roswell Park, Frei and Freireich at MD Anderson. Freireich treated the children. And Frei protected Freireich from the rest at NCI and from Zubrod. Zubrod trusted Frei. So if I needed to do anything radical, I'd talk to Frei, and he'd talk to Zubrod. So we were a great team. That was really the start of the cooperative group set, right? That would be CALG, the cancer and leukemia group, is that right? That was the first cooperative group in the country. That's incredible. The cooperative group had to two institutions, Roswell Park and MD Anderson. Who tried to block you on these things? I know it must have taken a lot of courage to put all these drugs together. You mentioned Wintrobe. But were there others who were fundamentally opposed to using combinations? Oh, I'm getting to that. So with the first study, Protocol 1, Russell Park and MD Anderson, children received 6-MP and methotrexate simultaneously and in sequence. And it turned out that Protocol 1 was published. The combination had more frequent remissions and longer duration. So we were onto something. Next we did the prednisone. Prednisone's not myelosuppressive. We could do full-dose prednisone with 6-MP, full dose prednisone with methotrexate, same result. In every instance, the combination was superior to the sequence. So one day I'm sitting in my office. About once a week he'd come around and look. He came in one day. He said, Dr. Freireich, this ward is a mess. Everything is full of blood, the nurse's uniforms, the curtains, the ceiling. Well, anyhow, I was taking care of my bleeding children one day when a guy from Eli Lilly showed up. I think his name was Armstrong. And he said, we've got a new drug that was founded by-- you know who that was. Let me see his name. Mike Black. He discovered it in mice, periwinkle extract. Periwinkle had 80 alkaloids. And they screened them all against mice. And this one was active in one kind of mouse leukemia. But it wasn't active in L1210. So he said, we have this drug. And we offered it to Dr. Farber at Dana Farber. And we're going to offer it to you if you want to do it. I said, wonderful. So I wrote a protocol. And Zubrod said, but this drug is not active in L1210. And we know that the drugs active in L12101 leukemia are active in human leukemia. So this drug cannot be studied. Aha, time for Emil Frei III. I went to Tom. I said, look, Tom, vincristine is not myelosuppressive. As a single agent, it causes 80% complete remissions. I want to vincristine to 6-MP and methotrexate. Zubrod says no. Frei said, leave it to me. He talked to Zubrod. I told Zubrod, these children are dying. I've got to do something. So they approved it. And we did decide the VAMP. We knew prednisone was not myelosuppressive. We could add it to 6-MP and methotrexate, full dose. We knew this dose of 6-MP and methotrexate. Vincristine turned out to be not myelosuppressive, CNS toxicity. So we designed the VAMP drug. Then we said, let's let Holland and the other members of the cooperative group join so we can get this done quick. The cooperative group refused. Jim Holland refused. He wanted to do them one at a time, prednisone, 6-MP, methotrexate, vincristine, prednisone, vincristine, and so on. It would have taken us five years. We went through the same thing with MOPP. They wanted to do it one at a time. So we had to do it alone in the cancer institute. So Frei went to Zubrod and said, why can't we do it? Zubrod said, if you say it's OK, you can do it. Frei was chair of the group. And I'm not going to put my patients on the group. So Frei had to resign. Holland became the chair. And Frei was an advisor. So we started out with VAMP. We had 98% remissions. The remissions lasted about six weeks. We realized that they weren't cured. So we said to the parents, this treatment was toxic. It was full-dose 6-MP and methotrexate. And the parents said they're going to risk their children's life, but we're going to do what we called early intensification. That is, the children in complete remission would get full-dose induction therapy, never done before. And I met with the parents every morning and went over each child to be sure that they were with us. The parents were wonderful. We had solved the bleeding problem with platelet transfusions. We'd had white cell transfusions and so on. And they went along with us. So we did early intensification. We did it in about 12 patients. Two of them almost died, very severe infection on the brain. But we saved them. So we knew this was dangerous. But they all relapsed. Median duration remission was about eight weeks, even though we did early intensification. So MC Li had cured choriocarcinoma. I don't know if you know that story. MC Li and I were residents at Presbyterian at the same time. We were good friends. I was his advisor on this strategy. He measured chorionic gonadotropin in the urine. And he knew that as long as there was gonadotropin in the urine, they weren't cured. So he kept treating them. So we decided to follow the Li model. And what we did was we did early intensification, which they all survived, fortunately. And then we did intermittent reinduction. Every four to six weeks, we'd bring them in and give them another course of treatment. And we did that for a year. And then we stopped. And then we watched them. And that's when we found 20% of the patients were in remission at, I think, 18 months. Never been reported before. And I did report that to AACR. I've seen the AACR abstract. And I would love to know what was the energy in the room when that was presented. Did people stand up and throw rotten tomatoes at you, or did they stand up and applaud, or everything in between? No one applauded. Everybody was incredulous. The people in the group didn't believe it. Most people thought we were lying. If it wasn't for Frei, I'd have never gotten away with it. Let me ask you another question. Dr. Frei told me that the first patient you gave platelets to, you had to sneak out at night and do it. Is that true? He said there were people who did not want you to give platelet transfusions. The platelet transfusions were a bigger fight than the chemotherapy, because everybody knew that platelets were not the cause of it. Dr. Brecher had studied patients in the war from radiation injury. He had dogs that he completely phoresed, zero platelets. And they didn't bleed. So obviously, platelets were not the problem. The problem was a circulating anticoagulant. And I did experiments in the lab and proved that that was false. But anyway, the platelet transfusions are what made all of this possible, because the children all died of hemorrhage. And once we had platelets, we could treat them with the chemotherapy. Is there a story behind the first patients who got platelet transfusions? Again, Dr. Frei told me that-- Oh, boy, that's a wonderful story. I actually published it. This was a young man who was bleeding to death whose father was a minister. And since it was proven that platelets were not important and there was a circulating anticoagulant, I decided that the only way to arrest the hemorrhage was to do an exchange transfusion like you do in eritroblastosis fetalis. So I said to the minister, if you bring me 10 healthy volunteers, I want to do this experiment on your son. And he was desperate. His son was a beautiful 8-year-old boy. His name was Scotty Dinsmore. How do you like that? [LAUGHTER] Scotty Dinsmore was bleeding to death. And he arrived the next morning with 10 volunteers. And I sat down in the treatment room. And I did an exchange transfusion with 50 cc syringes, 50 ccs from Scotty in the trash can, 50 ccs from the donor in Scotty. And we calculated I had exchanged three blood volumes to get to where the concentration was detectable. And when I finished this four-hour procedure, bending over my back with syringes and volunteers, his platelet count was 100,000. And is bleeding completely stopped. So we thought we'd made a breakthrough, but we were smarter than that. We watched him every day and did a platelet count. And we found that the platelet lifespan was four to six days. And when the platelets got below 10,000-- we had done a retrospective study, and we knew what the threshold for bleeding was. And he started bleeding again. So it was obvious that it was not an anticoagulant. I did experiments in my lab. I took the serum and mixed it with the plasma and so forth. So we proved that it was platelets and not an anticoagulant. And then we had to figure out how to get platelets. And Allen Kleiman in the blood bank and I worked together to do platelet phoresis. We took the unit separate platelets, put the blood back, volunteer donors. And we proved that platelets stopped the bleeding. And we published that, a great paper, citation classic. I was going to say for the young folks. And I asked Dr. Frei this too when I was at the Dana Farber. Did you ever doubt yourself? Did you think, we need to quit doing this? This is more than we can handle. I know Dr. Farber was widely criticized in Boston for-- Oh, boy. He studied vincristine at the same time we did. Yeah. So did you ever say, maybe we should set this whole system down and give up? No, I was never intimidated, because Dr. Zubrod gave me orders, cure leukemia. So I was going to do it. Yeah, my impression from talking with Dr. Frei is Gordon Zubrod was the sort of unsung hero in all of this. He is. He is. He had the courage to back a 25-year-old guy and his resident to do things that were potentially insane. We could have gone to jail for what we did. We could have killed all those kids. That's what Dr. Frei-- Dr. Holland has told me the same story. So we owe you a great debt. So let me ask you. When you were the president of ASCO, in those days, what made you decide to run for ASCO? It was still pretty early in the early 1980s. Well, that's a very good story. I'm a pioneer in that regard too. When you became a cancer doctor, you had to join the AACR. AACR was dominant. I joined the AACR. I sent my papers on platelets and chemotherapy to AACR. They accepted all of them. But they put the clinical papers on Saturday morning. When I gave my first paper at AACR, the chairman of the session, my wife and my son were the only ones in the audience. Nobody stayed till Saturday morning. So I got mad. I said, I'm discovering things, and I can't present them at AACR. No one's listening. So we said, let's form a society that is clinical oncology and meets the day before AACR the clinical scientists who want to go AACR don't have to go to two meetings. So we organized a plenary meeting the day before AACR began. In the first session, we had a lecture on CML from-- I forgot who the talker was who is treating CML, Berechenal or someone. Karanovsky? I don't know. So we had lectures, not papers. And we did that for a couple of years. And then AACR knew what we were doing. We were totally cooperating. But we hired a manager. And we started a scientific exhibit. So we had lots of money. And AACR needed money. And we were rich. So I got a call from the president of AACR. And he said, we don't want to continue to meet at the same time, because all of our doctors want to get these free samples. And they go to your meetings, and they don't go to our meetings. So we're separating from ASCO. I said, that's terrible, because the ASCO doctors all want to go AACR. He said, sorry, we can't take you anymore. I forgot who was president at the time. So ASCO had to separate from AACR. They separated from us. Most people think we separated from them. They separated from us. You were there at the very start. So I really appreciate your contributions to the field. And I appreciate your taking time today. And I appreciate all the things you did to help all the patients who've now survived that wouldn't have if you hadn't. Thank you very much. Until next time, thank you for listening to this JCO's Cancer Stories, the Art of Oncology podcast. If you enjoyed what you heard today, don't forget to give us a rating or a review on Apple podcast or wherever you listen. While you're there, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. JCO's Cancer Stories, the Art of Oncology podcast is just one of ASCO's many podcasts. You can find all the shows at podcast.asco.org.

Mary Gunther is a Chief Influence Office and is a graduate of the 2nd class of women in the United States Naval Academy. So Mary understands the importance of women in the field. In this episode, she sits down with Rene to talk about the importance of holding on to female friendships. Other women will have skills and knowledge that will help you get far ahead in the industry. She also talks about how your social circle begins to shrink with time so making sure those friendships are strong can be beneficial down the road. 

A jam packed episode. The first half is focused on the the largest Facebook group known for buying, selling, and trading bourbon and it’s encounter with Facebook staff about rule changes. We cover the news and share the information as it’s presented. In the second half of the show, we are joined by Marianne Eaves as she discusses her departure from Castle & Key and what’s on the horizon for her next adventure. This episode has a little bit of everything. Oh yeah, and a teaser about marijuana with bourbon which you can look forward to hearing more next week. Show Partners: At Barrell Craft Spirits, every batch they produce has a distinct flavor profile. They take pride in blending and preserving spirits for the people who enjoy them the most, you. Find out more at BarrellBourbon.com. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Use code "BOB2019" for discounted tickets to Bourbon on the Banks in Frankfort, KY on August 24th. Visit BourbonontheBanks.org. (Offer good through 6/30.) Show Notes: This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about Bottled-In-Bond and Bernie Lubbers. The Next Phase of the Bourbon Secondary Market. Facebook is cracking down. What will be the next iteration of the secondary market? When did you get the news and how did you feel about it? Will this start more segmented smaller groups? Are there any other platforms where the secondary market could exist? How does one have bourbon as a hobby and ensure that he or she is not becoming an alcoholic in the process? Are Sober Bars going to become a thing? What's new with Marianne Eaves? What was the response from other companies to you leaving Castle and Key? Are you interested in other spirits? Have you been trained in other spirits? What's your favorite style of gin? What's next for you? What do you all think about marijuana infused bourbon?   0:00 If by some chance you think that there's some background noise or you think it's being noisy, I'm going to put it on you to hit your mute button. I know last time everybody was talking over top of each other and 0:09 you saying Don't 0:11 talk to me. I don't know what to do. 0:14 The same time. 0:15 Yeah. All right. All at once. 0:20 You're doing now? 0:21 Yeah. Alright, so that didn't work. Well, we'll move on. 0:36 This is Episode 205. of bourbon pursuit. And we only have a little bit of news to go through today because it's the bourbon Community Roundtable, which is all about the news. Of course, the birthday bourbon is out of the gate. It's typically one of the first ones we see and hear about during the fall release season. Well, I guess it's that time because the 2019 edition, the specs have come out and it's going to feature and an 11 year old hundred and five proof expression which is the highest proof to date, a total of 120 barrels, which is still on May 15, 2008, and aged on the second floor of warehouse I master distiller Chris Morris and master taster Jackie's I can who have both been featured on the show previously talking about birthday bourbon selected and proved this year's limited edition, the 2019 old forced to birthday bourbon is going to be offered at an MSRP of 9999. And roughly 13,200 bottles will be available for purchase nationwide. Well, this episode, it's a doozy. The first half of this episode is focused on the largest Facebook site known for buying, selling and trading bourbon. And really, it's kind of a necessary evil because that's how valuations are really how they're created. But this is also a little pretty controversial in the underground sort of bourbon community because people thought there were ulterior motives involved. just want you to know, we try to be respectful and come at this from a very gentle stick approach. We cover the news. And the big news of this week was the letters of the admins that received them from bourbon secondary market, and they got these from Facebook officials. So don't get me wrong. There's still plenty of places on Facebook where you can get your hands on these goods. But this was a very high profile page. So we'll have to wait and see what happens. In the second half of the show. We're joined by Marianne Eaves, as she discusses her departure from castle and key and what's on the horizon for in her next adventure. Like I said, this show has a little bit of everything. Oh yeah. And there's a teaser about marijuana with bourbon at the end, which you can look forward to hearing more about next week. With that, let's hear from our good friend Joe over a barrel bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minnick with the above the char. 2:44 Hi, this is Joe from barrell craft spirits. 2:47 every batch we produce has a distinct flavor profile. We take pride in blending and preserving spirits for the people who enjoy them the most. 2:53 You lift your spirits with barrel bourbon. 2:57 I'm Fred Minnick, and this is above the char. The box came into my office like any other box, the FedEx man dropped it off. I cut it open. I ripped it out and I pulled a bottle out. But the excitement that I felt when I saw the bottle was far different than when I usually get a 90 proof bottle or some new product from one of the big distilleries. This one had etched in the label, bottled in bond. It was Catoctin Creek, a rye whiskey out of Virginia. I said it next to other bottle on the bond whiskeys on my shelf. George decal bite on the bond Tennessee whiskey, dad's hat, bottle and bond Pennsylvania whiskey, tomfoolery bottle and bond Cleveland bourbon. It's made in the Cleveland area. And as I looked at these on my shelf, I couldn't help but feel the pride just overwhelming in my soul. You had bottle and bond from Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. It was absolutely phenomenal. Especially when you consider that 10 years ago, the bottle and Bond was almost extinct. You really only saw about 15 bottles on the shelf and those were mostly from heaven Hill. But as Bourbons started becoming more popular and as ride became more popular, you had one particular brand ambassador who was going around the world telling people about bottle of Bach. He's covered in tattoos plays bluegrass music wears belt buckles, it can tell you anything you want to know about bourbon history. His name is Bernie Lubbers. He's one of these guys that has the passion of 1000 bourbon reps. And that's because he knows his stuff. But more importantly, he believes it. And it's my opinion, that if it was not for Bernie out there discussing the heritage and importance of bottle and bond whiskey, that we would not be seeing George decal on the shelf or Catoctin creek or dad's hat touting being bottled and bought. If you want to learn about that history, check out his website. He's the whiskey professor. He's got a book, I've written about the history of the bottle and Bond Act of 1897. But really, in today's sense, I give all the credit to bottle and bonds return to one man, and his name is Bernie lovers. So if you happen to like buy all the bond whiskey, find Bernie on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram and tell him Thank you. Because if it wasn't for him, and his big giant tattoo on his arm, I don't know if we'd have bottled in bond right now. And that's this week's above the char. Hey, if you have somebody you would like to highlight and above the char hit me up on Instagram or Twitter at Fred Minnick. That's at Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers 5:46 Welcome back to episode of bourbon pursuit the official podcast of bourbon. This is the 33rd meeting and podcast recording of the bourbon Community Roundtable. It's this one, it's odd because we usually spend about a a day or two ahead of time kind of thinking of random topics. I always maybe sit there and look at some tweets Fred put out the week before and and see if like that's a makes good for a conversation or a topic. However, today this one sort of came all together like within the span of an hour and a half. It was the bombshell that kind of got dropped in one of the largest Facebook groups and we're going to talk about that here in a little bit. But Kenny's here, Fred and Ryan, join me here as well. How's it going tonight? fellows going? 6:30 Great. Oh, just Yeah. Do you know says that? It's okay to talk. 6:38 Go ahead. 6:40 No, it's funny. You're in your intro. I was thinking I was like, people may or may not know I delete social media during the week. So I normally have no tables are till about 30 minutes for I logged in today on Twitter. And I was like, Oh shit. I'm really behind. What what are we going to talk about? This is insane. So super excited about today's show. 7:01 It's a it's a riddle. Like, how do you piss off at the thousand bourbon enthusiasts in one one post? 7:07 Yep, exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's 7:11 it's interesting. And the thing is, is is like I think I think what's happening can play into a kind of like a larger kind of national conversation as well. So this is you know, and this is important for all of us right now to talk about 7:27 a good I people always like discussions on the secondary market. We don't like to think it exists. But of course it does. That's That's how that's how names get kind of brand names can get spread around. That's how valuations happen. So it's almost like a necessary evil but before we kind of start talking about that, I want to go around the horn as usual. Let the folks introduce themselves and we're going to go with on my left starting with Blake of bourbon 7:53 and he's on mute direction. 8:00 Me You know, I did too good of a job under no, I'm Blake from bourbon are always fun to be here. It's a you know, let's see the 34th bourbon roundtable in a row and the 34th time you've seen my face because that is the Cal Ripken of bourbon roundtable so thanks for having me. It's a 33rd but who's counting 33rd 8:22 that I'm going to be on next next month as well 8:24 yeah, let's see what that magic eight ball says 8:28 all right Brian sip and corn How you doing? 8:31 All right I'm doing great thanks for having me again night guys. Brian with sip and corn you can find me on social all the social media is sipping porn and online you can find all those things and more at bourbon justice calm and in sipping corn calm brings you to the same place. And looking forward to to tonight's conversation guys. 8:52 Alright, and the one of the highest ranking whiskey blogs out there today. Jordan from breaking bourbon, how are you? Good. Thanks for have us. This is Jordan, one of the three guys from breaking bourbon. com, find us on all the social medias at breaking bourbon along with Patreon and make sure to check out our updated Release Calendar update near daily. Awesome. 9:13 So with that, let's go ahead and kind of kick off the show, you know, we hinted at a little bit it was going to be talking about the secondary market. There's a large Facebook group in there, they don't really try to make it sound like it's hard to find it's actually called bourbon secondary market. So there's, there's no mystery whatsoever. But it's typically one of those places that it's a kind of underground, you have to be invited into it. And it's a buy sell trade form. I know that everybody on the call is a member of it. We've all been there before. So and before we kind of get into the meat of the subject I want to introduce Craig. So Craig, I'm going to hopefully don't screw it up again. rubric. Right? has joined us today. So Craig is one of the admins of bourbon secondary mark or bsm. So Craig, welcome the show. Hey, thanks. So Craig, before we kind of get into it a little bit, kind of talk about like how you came to be an admin inside of DSM. 10:11 Sure. Um, so I think everyone knows, the group's founder Oh, and, and through another group that Owen runs, I came to know him, which is the global bourbon hounds. And when you're running a group that size, you know, you tend to when it gets to a certain point, you tend to reach out to people that you trust to help you run it. And so that's that's basically how that happened. I mean, the group existed for I don't know a good year and a half two years before I came on board with the admin team and so that's basically what it was was just someone that would be somewhat level headed I don't know that we get bullheaded I 10:58 hope so. That is the secondary market 11:01 right so 11:05 but yeah, someone although I probably get accused of being one of the more I think with my emotions first type of admin in there, you know, we we try to be fair, it can be a challenge you know, we used to admin under our names in there and then we used to add many and under the bsm page just because guys get they get ridiculous. Their their bourbon feelings get out of control. They they can't contain it in their feelings journal. And so they have 11:46 I didn't create that, that that graphic. Well, I didn't create the actual feelings journal journal, but that was someone else that made that picture. But I do take credit for for putting that into the the bourbon secondary Mark vernacular as the word. So, but yeah, so that's, I mean, that's how it came to be was just, yeah, I'm happy to help out. I think now, whenever we are looking for admin, I think our first rule is, if someone is reaching out if they're actively pursuing being an admin, like, Hey, I love to help out. No, you're not nobody, it's not a good fit. Nobody wants an admin in there. But we're, you know, a close knit bunch of guys and but yeah, we admin from the page just because, you know, guys get crazy, they threaten your family. They threaten your livelihood, it gets ridiculous all over a silly bottle of bourbon. So. So that's, you know, that's that's why that changed, initiated. So today, you know, we have this email come out, that basically says Facebook's changing their community standards are tightening them. And so therefore, or any groups that buy sell trade alcohol, they want to have that activity cease. And so we, of course, had discussions about how that would affect us how we would operate. And so I think that what you're going to find is that the mega balls group, which we also run, for auctions, that's going to get I won't, I won't call it mothball. But we're just not, we're just kind of not going to be adding any map. So I don't have the logistics of that yet. Which Owen could probably speak better to that myself. And then regards to bsm. 13:41 Yeah, as like, let's let's focus on the bsm kind of, kind of what was because I know that's what a lot of people are here, really waiting for is, is what is what is going to be the next iteration. And by the way, for anybody that is just like, totally, like, not have any idea. they're new to bourbon, yes, there's this huge secondary market that exists. There's like 55,000 people in there and people post bottles for sale, people say they'll buy it, and then ends up and shows up your front doorstep. That's what he's kind of talking about this whole buy sell trade thing and this kind of open market that happens inside of Facebook. But Greg kind of talk about what is the, like the new ruling or kinda like the the next iteration of what is to come here, bsm? What's the, what's the go. So I think what 14:26 we're thinking now is that it may go to a straight deal by messenger sort of situation, I don't know that we've fully worked out the logistics of that. And I for myself, I just think, you know, admitting something like that will just be a nightmare. You know, in some ways, it's like a second job already. But I think that will kind of have to see how that plays out. I there hasn't been any, you know, doesn't make sense to go backup Facebook group, because you're under the same restrictions, right, your, your, your backup groups going to get tagged and, and knock down if you're engaging that activity. So right now, you know, what we've read into it is just change your group name. don't have anything in your group description about buy, sell trade, don't do any activity in your group. And of course, it only takes one upset person to direct that. So I think we're leaning towards a PM, a Facebook Messenger sort of based setup similar to us some other groups that are a little smaller than us, and our maybe secret and you got to know somebody to get in there. But used to be ran by a guy named Phil. You know, I think that, you know, certain groups that allow pm dealing and we never did, we are always about just having it done out in the open. So it it may very well likely be a one at from that. When we make a final decision. I know, Owen or you'll see a post via the bsm page will come up and say as such, but I think that's sort of the prevailing thought right now is that we would go to something one fat. 16:22 So Craig, you guys get this news today, what time today, like in the afternoon, 16:27 brown about I think I was just wrapping up with work when I checked my email. And I saw that, and then we started sharing that I think it was a little bit even earlier than that, when I hopped into the the admin chat and saw that there was already some discussion about that. 16:48 So you all you all have, you know, built something that is very much a part of the bourbon culture, especially kind of like the geek culture. And, you know, we A lot of us, you know, kind of look up to, you know, appreciate what you all have, you know, done. And now it's kind of be being taken away, you know, in some ways, I mean, you know, on the personal level, I know, you guys have been through a lot like in managing this, but you know, what were you all feeling when this came through what was going through your mind when, when you guys got this notice? 17:22 I think it's like, well, here it is, right? Like, there's always been, you know, guys have speculated about this sort of thing happening to, to our sorts of groups for for a while now have, you know, Facebook's done similar things with, with other groups that were of a sensitive subject matter that they felt like, we're not in line with their community standards. And so we've always felt like, you know, the hammer was going to fall at some point. And you know, if you remember quite quite a while back, we had that little kind of dust up when when bourbon groups just sort of vanished. And there, you know, Chicken Little came out and the sky was falling then right? And then does it feel different this time? It definitely like before, you didn't know what was going on. And again, you thought the same thing if you thought, well, this is it, you know, the hammer is finally falling. And Facebook has done away with us. And we were scrambling to figure out, you know, other social media avenues to form to do the same thing that we were doing now, this time around, it seems to be it seems a little more more serious, right? Like, there's a plan they're actively searching for, for the sorts of groups that are, you know, not by virtue of being a bourbon group, are you necessarily doing wrong, but whenever you cross that threshold to buy sell trade, then Facebook's not liking that. So? Yeah, it just feels like it may have more weight this time. We're we're treating it more. I think there's some within our ranks that that, you know, feel like maybe wait and see. There's also a little bit of disbelief, right? Like, was this just some, you know, nonsense email that someone has sent trying to troll us? Or, you know, something like that? several folks, even folks that manage large Facebook groups that are not bourbon related, been received an email. So yeah, I think just more serious is is a way to kind of sum it up so enough, that that, Owen and the rest of us feel like we want to react to it, to kind of just, you know, allow this sort of thing to carry on. And regardless of whether it's by Facebook, or not, like a quote, jurassic park here, like life will find a way, right. Like, if it's not hold on to your butts. Exactly. Like if it's not, if it's not via Facebook, you know, you can't keep a good flipper down right there. Right there, they're going to try to talk to their, their bottles of it, eh, Taylor small batch and, and well, or special reserve and, you know, whatever, no matter where they are, whether it's on in a smaller Facebook group, or Craigslist, or, you know, e Bay, God forbid, or what, you know, whatever, like, folks will find a way. So what we haven't talked about is any sort of moving to any other social media format. I think once upon a time we we mess around with a and I'll probably butcher the name may way. Page me we may way, there's actually people in chat that are 20:37 talking about that right now. I I'm unfamiliar with the platform 20:40 myself. Yeah. So we had we had messed around with that, you know, there, the issue you always run into with something like this is a group this size, when you switch over to something like that, like we had kind of sort of work the kinks out of admitting via Facebook. So then you switch to another platform and then admitting via that way, and trying to just figure out all the ins and outs of that is, is a bit of a headache. So 21:10 let's I feel like everyone's already on Facebook. So that's not 21:12 tough thing to 21:15 do just automatic because everyone's on their phone every single day. And so then they just see it 21:19 constantly. And it's just one more channel you got to keep up with when you have so many already. And it's like who wants another channel to mess with? But 21:28 you already have the older generation who's not on Facebook getting on there just for bourbon. Now, I don't even know what me we is. So 21:37 if any don't even know. 21:40 My barometer but migrate everyone over there's trouble. 21:44 No, no, you're totally right. I mean, Facebook is the logical platform for a lot of these kind of things, because that is where people spend their time already. And so Oh, and it sent us a message at least Blake and I a little bit earlier. And so I'll kind of talk about what he had had posted as the potential new rules. This is not official until it becomes official on the forum. But he had said that the kind of the new stuff is that you do not talk about buying selling or trading alcohol, because this is now against Facebook community standards. So that's no longer to be allowed inside the group. You're only here to see pictures, if you want to talk about to the person that posted a picture, then send them a pm. So kind of thinks of the old days of put something up there expected pm to come in as well. discussion posts are still not allowed go over to bourbon or for that, of course, thrown out the plug for you there Blake. But another way around this is that if you want to you just throw a link in to something that you had posted off of Facebook. So if you are posting it on bottle spot or Craigslist, you just drop the link in there, and then people can pm you that way. And that's how they can kind of get get in contact with you with that particular bottle. So it sounds like if there's a will there's a way because it's hard to lose a large majority of people like that, you know, with one fell swoop and then I'll take it another direction to and see what you guys think. You know, of course, will there's a way something's going to happen. And is this just going to start more segmented smaller groups and it's going to be hard to kind of find that that one big big group that was bsm. 23:26 I think as a community like and you know, I've grown tired of Facebook just in general you know, I've been I've been finding other avenues to do you know to buy and definitely definitely just from on a personal level. I mean I I don't enjoy Facebook I enjoy instagram and twitter but you know Facebook to me just It feels like it's it's become kind of like it went from somehow from being fun to like some mandatory you had you had to do you woke up you brush your teeth see check and see who posted a picture about their kid or something it just like in general, Facebook's losing a lot of steam and society is you know, as other platforms are growing, and I think the inevitability here, and I certainly I have an app and development, but I think the the inevitability here is that somebody creates something specifically for bourbon consumers. And frankly, it should be someone on this on this podcast right now. Because, you know, the fact is, is that this shits going to keep happening. I don't know if someone saw Mark Zuckerberg fake Pappy or what but the whole? It just it has. 24:42 What's that? It was me, sir. I always took you as a fake Pappy. Yeah. 24:49 lawyer? Absolutely. 24:51 Well, he knows how to get itself out of it. That's right law saying I can't refill this and sell it. But, you know, it's just this just just going to keep happening. And then they're going to say like, they're going to start regulating your, your private messaging and just, that's what what the fuck ever, you know. I mean, I actually, the last time this happened, I actually spent a lot of time reaching out to Facebook, getting comments from I spoke to people at Facebook. About the last time you know, the last time we had some sites go down and it just, you know, I mean, they played, they played me a fool. They played every wonderful like they fit, you know, they played our government a fool. Facebook just does whatever the fuck it wants to do. I mean, it's it's stills are information. They're just, they're turds. And I hate all of this. And, you know i, that the secondary group, there comes the feeling channel, you know, right. 25:51 Give me Give me my own mean. 25:54 Or, or as my friend Steve Sabin would say, fuck that guy. 26:00 But that's how I feel about Facebook, fuck. 26:03 I think at the end of the day, right, so we're all and he notices with the whole delete Facebook move and see a ton of different long reads on tech blogs or other areas, like people are still going to use Facebook man or walk right, you can't kick it, as Fred mentioned, you wake up, brush your teeth, check Facebook, but like, that's what people realize. You know, you might leave Facebook, but there are society stays on. But that being said, bourbon might leave Facebook, and people will go with it. Because at the end of the day, people want to make money, they're going to go where the money is. So it may be more of an inconvenience, and people might complain about it. But they're still going to go do it because they're going to want to sell bourbon and they're going to I want to buy bourbon and you know, free economy will find a way. So I think it's just gonna be a super convenience. And people complain about it a lot. That being said, about a lot of people just go wherever the money is going to take them, which is the end of the day is what it's all about anyways, right? We're not like talking about a community or like, Hey, you know, checking on each other, it's, I'm going there to make money, I'm going there to spend money, that's all it is. Right? 27:00 Drop, dropping the hammer, 27:02 I kind of the tough part is figuring out Facebook's logic in this. And to me, it's just they don't want the liability. You know, we've talked about this before on multiple different whether it's shipping or just online sales, whatever it is, Facebook doesn't want the liability. So they gotta at least put that out there. What I'm interested to see is, you know, kind of going back to asking, Craig, does this feel different than the times before? Is, is Facebook really going to follow through with this? You know, it kind of does sound like they are and it is a little bit different. But we've been down this road before and then maybe kind of a See See ya a move from them of who knows, I don't know what kind of legal ramifications they'd have. You know, Brian could probably speak a little more to that seems like in the past, there's been a whole lot of other shady or deals happen on like Craigslist, and that kind of stuff. And I don't know if those guys have ever gotten in trouble or prosecuted for for, you know, actual illegal behavior, or at least more illicit behavior. But it will see, you know, it definitely is a big platform. I've kicked around ideas of having having a solution on my site with seal box. But it's just like, there's a lot of issues you have to solve before you jump into that. And Facebook was always just the easiest route, because everyone was there. So that'll be interesting. Next, next couple of weeks, for sure. 28:30 Yeah, it sort of struck me is is and maybe this is just wishful thinking something that all pass that they'll crack down for a little bit. And you have to be doing things through links to bottle spot or direct messages or whatever. And then it sort of flows back into the way it was. I mean, that's, that's my guess, anyhow, I don't I think you're right, Blake, that it's probably a lot of See ya from Facebook. But other than that, it's, yeah, there's the underlying fact that in most jurisdictions, you can't sell person to person on the secondary market. So once they get their lawyers involved in telling them that I mean, that's, that's the road, they're going to go down every single time. You know, your rules, 29:16 rules, 29:18 rules, we make exceptions to the rules, we enforce the rules, and we get paid on at each step of the way. I'm 29:26 honest about it. 29:26 It's the greatest cycle there is in business. 29:29 Exactly right. Yeah. To get paid at every step 29:34 to I've wondered, too, is this going to push it more? Is there a lobbying effort? Maybe is this going to push it more toward like Kentucky's vintage spirits law and is there a push to get it into those retailer hands so that you have some assurances against fakes if you're buying it from a reputable vintage, you know, retailer, 29:57 that's a great point, I actually had this conversation with a friend of mine who's in the, is a really big seller. And I said, it's going to be great for for us because no one knows where to go to get bottles. And you know, and then if you have if yours, if you're a key person, and this in this chain, everybody's going to remember you from those groups, or whatever. And you're just going to call them and so you're going to have, you're going to have more, you know, more buyers from from that perspective. And I'll also say like, I get probably five, five emails a day, and I'm not even kidding, five emails a day of just someone from someone finding something in their basement. And I try to always push them into the legal ways to to sell that. And nobody wants to do that. So that's right. No One No one wants a record of the transaction. Everybody wants cash. 30:53 So just just low ball but keep the bottles here so 30:58 maybe that's what you 31:01 all those emails to me, Fred put an automatic 31:05 inquiring about said ever you get him to? Great Basin him to all of us. 31:10 One of us, right? 31:12 Of course. Yeah. 100%. And then it's like double what the secondary market is, like, was thinking maybe around $4,000 for Pappy 15? 31:21 Because it was their grandpa's and their grandpa? 31:25 So it has additional meaning to them. It sounds about right game of Go 31:29 Fish. 31:30 Yeah. Like the Nigerian prince all over again. So, you know, 31:36 while we're talking about sort of what the next phase of this is, I mean, do you think if there's any other platforms where something like this could live? Or is Facebook, the only one because if we roll back a few years, read it went through the same exact thing. And so Reddit kind of shut down their, their whole entire sales motion. And so when you look at the difference of what you see on Reddit versus what you see on Facebook, it's too opposite worlds, right? It is definitely more conversation focused, review focused, everything like that, versus Facebook, which is buy sell trade, and then you've got a few groups that are kind of like news. You don't really have a whole lot of people putting their tasting notes out there. But do you think if there's anything else have, 32:17 I mean, at the end of the day, right? So both Reddit Facebook, at its core, at least for like the bsm and the Reddit, it's just a V, it's an old school, the Bolton board, that's all it is. It's just an old school forum, if someone just creates a forum, and yeah, it's one more link, you have to go to a new moderator. That's all it is. Right? Anyone I mean, literally anyone watching right now or listening later on, not and do this, you just got to get the masses to go there. But that's literally That's hard. That's all we're talking about Facebook, and not at all was just an only thing. 32:48 The winning ticket here is that there is a there's a paywall to get into, you know, some kind of forum, you know, so you pay 50 bucks to be a member. And, you know, somebody takes on the liability of having the having the forum. And, and the it happens there, you know, and then it's not public, you know, you have to you have to get there, you have high level privacy. things in there, you know, and, you know, I used to belong to a few of those in like author circles, and, you know, I'd be I'd be communicating with, you know, high level authors. And, and there was no, I wouldn't be able to share that information. Of course, it's the internet. So you always could do it, but I would be penalized strictly by the the agreement I signed to be a part of it. So I think there is a way to do this, and we can protect the people who want to enjoy this hobby. But I'll go to the lawyer here in the ass. Is that possible? Could could we create some kind of 33:53 private forum where we get out 40,000 33:55 people in 33:56 there? What can you do? What can you do something like sports, but or gambling? Like, you know, but when I did used to gamble, I had a private website that I went to and yeah, back in the day 34:08 where you would going on? You 34:10 would, you know, you bet your and you'd have your bookie and you would meet him, you know, once a week to settle up. I mean, and it goes on, like all I mean, it still goes on. And so it seems like that could happen for some of these secondary markets also 34:22 means you have an intermediate intermediary 34:25 act like a I mean, it wouldn't be legal obvious, right. But I mean, sports bookies and gamblers are getting away with it. Nobody's cutting them down to shut it down. 34:32 Right. I think that's a bigger market. Much bigger market. 34:36 Yeah. aliens. There. So here, yes. And then that's why I'm not exactly sure. I haven't figured out why there's the focus on the whiskey market here. I mean, it's sure we've got 50,000, or whatever it is members of these groups, but what's that it's a drop in the bucket. It shouldn't really bother anyone. But when it comes down to it, it's in most jurisdictions, you're not supposed to do it. Fuck Facebook. 35:07 So it's Facebook now in the same genre as vodka in the lounge, red manic, a lot of hatred. We need a sign behind you, Fred. 35:20 like Facebook right now, you know, 35:22 Facebook has its purpose, you know? I mean, I don't know, I don't know what that purpose is anymore. But whatever. So vodka, vodka has no purpose. Let's just put it that way. 35:35 So to kind of wrap this up, one last question for Craig, what are you going to do with all your free time now? You know, 35:43 honestly, I was probably over the past few months have been one of the lesser active admins, but you know, it makes for you gotta do something while you're sitting on the toilet. Right. So now I guess I have to go back to reading or 35:56 something like that. 35:58 Wait, wait, wait, did you 36:02 You did all that admitting while you were on the toilet? 36:05 I mean, what else? What else? You gonna do it? Right? 36:12 Well, they weren't accepting donations. So you know, they weren't getting paid for the job. So it's, it's out of the graciousness of their hearts that they were doing. So absolutely. So Craig, thank you so much for coming on tonight and kind of giving us a breakdown of sort of the the history of what it is and sort of the future of what we can expect from the the new bsm going forward. So, again, as of today, everything is still provisional. So wait until you hear from an admin on a forum to kind of see what the, the actual future will hold. But if own or anybody else wants to that on the admin team, they will post the email that Craig was talking about at the very beginning that we were alluded to as well, so they can see that this wasn't just all smoke and mirrors. That was a real thrill threats happening. Alright. 37:02 Thanks, Greg. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys. 37:03 Yep, man. 37:06 So while we wait for Mariana to come on, you know, let's let's kind of switch it in a different direction. But let's go ahead and kind of take it as I mentioned, we had a we had a listener sort of reached out to us and talked about it was actually Patrick Nall. 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So it is a really a kind of a sad reality of it is you don't want that to ever be a problem for someone who you're enjoying a hobby with. And then all of a sudden, that's an issue. So for me, it's just like taking, you know, whether it's a week, few days, you know, some even go month off of drinking, I think that's really if you figure out if that and that dependence is there, and it's no longer fun, and you're just drinking to drink. So I think that's important to take time off every now and then. 40:46 So I think I'm know, I'm the only one here that does it full time. Right? Jordan Are you full time yet? 40:54 drinker? 40:57 This is like I know, Kenny, you'd said, this is the hobby, this is actually what I do for my living and have done so for more than a decade. And, you know, when I came, I, you know, I'll share something very personal, you know, I, I have PTSD for my time. And in Iraq. And I have been, I've been fighting that for, you know, since I've been home. And in that process, I went through a lot, you know, in my recovery, I went through a lot of therapy. And one of the things that I picked up was was mindfulness. And that and that is one of one of the reasons why bourbon really, why I think I really focused on on tasting was because mindfulness was basically a way for me to ground myself of something else. And you would have to think entirely about whatever it is you were doing, whether you were like you were in a year and a moment you're trying to visualize and feel everything in that moment. For me, I would visualize and feel everything on my palate. And, and when I am not able to taste something, I put the I put it down like in in oftentimes, you know, I won't, I won't be mindful of what day it is. And I'll be like, on a, on a anniversary date of something that happened, it could be you know, it could be, you know, the day that, you know, I saw someone get killed, it could be the day I almost got killed, it can be something like that. But there there are, there are things that in us that we don't always know. But we we automatically get into, you know, bad moods, and so everybody will have something that can give them a sign for when they get themselves in a problem drinking situation. And for me, it's tasting, and it's in particular of like, where on my palate, I taste something. So I would challenge anyone who wants to, you know, explore this for themselves, I would say analyze the moments that you've had, you know, you may have had too much and you did something that you shouldn't have, or you just went too far, I would say analyze, you know what you felt like going into that situation, and see if you can stop yourself from going in that situation again. And so that's just one thing that I do, I also try to like not have, you know, there's tasting, and then there's drinking, my tasting is like analytical, I keep it very, you know, smell it, analyze it, taste it, spit, you know, drinking. And this is, you know, where I can get myself into a little bit of like, you know, having more than two is if I'm watching justified if I'm watching something that I'm really into. And I'm just into that moment, or if I'm reading a book that I'm really into, and I just keep like, you know, pouring, you know, and then I'm suddenly I've got four, you know, so like, it's being mindful of that as well. It's like knowing when you want knowing when you need to stop. And always, always, always have a plan to get home. That's the most one of the most important parts do not get in the car if you've been drinking. And most importantly, the distilled spirits Council has a has a sheet for what is moderating moderation and drinking. And I really try to follow that. And you know, men can drink more than women. But there is there is a an amount and I think turns out to be something like 15 drinks a week for four men. Those are 44:37 fantastic. points. Fred, thanks for sharing. And I think I think to add on to that, right? You touched on a little bit in there. I think everyone's different. Right? So if you feel, you know, to some people to drinks, they'll be they'll be drunk, right? Everyone's body is different. So if you feel that you're drinking all the time, or getting drunk all the time, just because you're only having two, three drinks the night right? When you see other people having 910, 15, whatever, right? That doesn't mean you know, it's okay to justify it. So you'll know your own limits. And don't compare yourself against anyone else. Right? That's the best way of doing it. You know what's right for you? Right? And you know, what's going to be too much. And you're going to know, it's just right. And everyone finds that point sometime in life and just kind of be as friends and mindful of it. But don't don't compare yourself and say, Well, you know, I see everyone else on Facebook drinking. I don't know, eight doubles tonight, right? I only drink four. I'm okay force too much for you. It's too much for you if that that's what you got to keep in mind. Right? Everyone has their own personal limit. And you do have to, as Fred said, just being mindful of that. And that's one of the keys things to do too. 45:43 Did you find that limit when you're selecting a bottle or a barrel a pin hook this past week? Well, we will thankfully 45:50 told people about this first. So me. Yeah, so really quick. So me and Nick went down along with Ryan to select a bottle for break room and single barrel club from Pinnacle. They're looking to Castle on key. So they propose a crazy cool, but kind of crazy, this experience where we worked with their, you know, their master taster that they work with the castle on key to narrow down. They pulled a lot of 40 little over 40 barrels for us. And these are the barrels designated for the single barrel program. And so I'm just going through like three or four, we went through all of them, we drank all the Bourbons. So they did prove them down to 5060 proof, right? And it was a lot of smelling a lot of sensory stuff. Tons of sensory stuff, lots of spitting. So the amount of actual bourbon we drink at the end of the day, what would you say, right? We drink even like two ounces of bourbon. 46:33 If that if that. And yes, I was spitting, I was falling. It was only like two or three ounces in that plastic cup by the new day. And it was a 40% or 52. But yeah, that was like Fred said it was very analytical. Very, you know, we were thoughtful, we were very focused on what we're doing. Like we weren't there just to like, sloshing back. And our motive wasn't to go get slammer or whatever. But mean, I think you just have to know, like Fred talked about, I'm big in mindfulness awareness, like I have ADHD. And I know like, when my mind can kind of take over and send me places. And then when I've had too much, I just my body can tell me like, all right, you need to settle down for a few days, and you gotta listen to your body when you start to, like, ignore that. And you start to like, drink to fight off the the night before, you know, chasing the hair of the dog, you know, that's when I think you're like really going down a slippery slope. And I've had, I've had those days, you know, you go on a bachelor party, or you're a lake weekend or a golf weekend, and you're you're there to party for two or three days. And then like, All right, I'm done for like three or four days, you know, just to clear it up. And then when you can't recognize that I think that's when you definitely need to, to seek some help and find some because there's definitely some issues there. 47:51 Yeah, I don't know the answer. Certainly. But Fred, thank you for your your openness on that. I think that's, that will help a lot of people. Listen, running today and in the other comments about just knowing yourself and knowing when it's time to take a break. So I think that's I really appreciate those 48:10 personally. Alright, so that kind of sparked a topic and kind of went down a crazy little hope we hope we can come back out of this and raise spirits, I guess if you can a little bit. But this is really coming because there was an article on CNN this past week and talked about how investors are looking at alternatives to bars. And there's a maybe it's like a Brooklyn thing like I don't know, where there's these sober bars that are kind of coming up, right, the people are making these craft mock tales, and they still cost you 1012 bucks apiece. But do you see this is like a like a catching on thing? Or do you see this is a 48:55 just a fad 48:56 for so last year, last year, it tells you the cocktail the world, you know, most important largest, you know bar conference, they had a party, lamb grant through a party where there was no alcohol, like the opening party had no alcohol. So this is like a really a really real trend. And they're they're trying to chase 23 year olds don't drink. 49:22 So let's just go ahead, and we'll let Mary Ann's joined us. So we'll, we'll kind of wrap up this topic really quick. So Mary, and we're talking about sober bars if they are actually going to become a thing. So Fred, I'll let you finish up your thought and then will will lead on over to Mary and then 49:39 yeah, the the growth of of like the silver bars and this trend of like, just eliminate drinking. It falls in line with all these efforts to legalize alcohol advertising. And these fraudulent studies that are coming out from a publication called Lancet that is extrapolating minute to minute amounts of data and basically saying, you know, all alcohol causes all kinds of cancers. And so we're having, we're having this basically this frantic health scare. That is it, in my opinion, is fraudulent. And the industry cannot fight it. Like they're losing everywhere they turn. Because you know, there's a new study every week that tells you you're going to get cancer, if you drink alcohol. And the sad part is is every one of those damn studies almost they almost always get recanted. But the fact is that it gets on USA Today wants its air forever. 50:35 Sounds round up. And what I deal with on a day to day basis 50:40 doesn't cause cancer. 50:44 It causes it in California, but not exactly. 50:46 If you think about it, though, there's there's other studies that come out that says, oh, a glass of wine a day or glass of whiskey a day, whatever it is, and then you're going to live to 90, you know, these are and anybody that I Google's it, I think there was a TED talk or something like that, where somebody actually made a fake scientific research study and it got published in like PR news and like all or Newswire and all this kind of crazy stuff. So it was basically a study this be actually show like how false the sort of scientific studies are that that get really blown out of proportion. So it sounds like there's a there's a lobbyist group that's really pushing towards this for to make something like this a reality. 51:29 Yeah, for sure. 51:31 Anybody else have any other comments or thoughts on that before we change directions? 51:34 My only thought is that article that you sent us Kenny the the description of one of those drinks was so god awful that that should kill it in its crack. So I wrote it down and acidic beverage made from vinegar, fruit sugar, and club soda. I mean, that should kill the lemon right there. 51:53 probably use that. You could probably use that for round up. What 51:58 was it? Mix it up, right? 52:00 What's the cocktail mix made out of apple cider vinegar? It's um, where they do the fruit and the apple cider vinegar shrub. Yeah, I mean, it's basically a non alcoholic syrup, isn't it? I could be wrong. 52:10 Sure. 52:14 I'm not a bartender. 52:17 was the worst thing I've ever done in the kitchen. I can buy these from now on. 52:22 Definitely taste better than they smell. 52:25 Yes. Yes. Yeah. 52:28 I was like, I'll use vinegar on like, you know, reheating like pork butts and stuff like that. We don't we do. We smoked smoked barbecue, stuff like that, but haven't really done a whole lot in the cocktails. that's a that's a whole new that for me. That's a hard pass. So with that, let's go ahead and bring on our next guest. So you heard her already. She's been on the podcast before. I think it was like Episode 16. Like way, way back in the day. 52:52 When we we were not very good. We we still suck but I think we're 52:57 less sucky now. Marianne, welcome back to the show. 53:00 Thank you so much candy as a pleasure. 53:03 Yeah. So you know, we love to have you on I know, Fred. Fred kind of thinks of you like, like a little sister sometimes. You know, he feels like, 53:11 like you all went shopping together? 53:18 Yeah. You know, Sir Paul. 53:22 But we kind of want to have you on and kind of talk about, you know, what's new with you? You know, it's not I mean, I think you you made national headlines, right? I mean, it was everywhere the of the separation between you and castle and key. So So kind of talk a little bit about it, and sort of what's on the horizon for you, too. 53:41 Yeah, I, I am really proud of of everything that I've built. And we achieved it at Castle and key. But what I've learned about myself is that I really love making things and building things. And you know, kind of all my startup energy was used in in castle and key to get them where they are. And I'm ready to try some new things. I've been wanting to get into some different spirit categories. Not that I'm going to leave bourbon, and not not permanently anyway. But I want to get some experience in mezcal and rum and we'll see where where life goes from there. 54:20 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think for a lot of us, you know, we were we were all kind of shocked to see the news because we were you had been really the face of the brand for so long. I don't think there was a day that we didn't see on Instagram with you at the distillery or seeing the the gardens or something like that. So you know, definitely we wish them the best of luck and everything that they're doing, and you as well, but kind of kind of talk I know you kind of took a little bit of a break to I you went out west for a few days to kind of regroup. 54:49 Yeah, I knew it was going to be big news when when that press release went out. So I just went ahead and made the executive decision that being in a remote island in the Pacific Northwest. And my my aunt's treehouse, my dad's cousin would would be a good idea. So yeah, I took a few days off and spend some time in winter and getting ready to take a little bit more time off down in Florida right now. And I'll be heading back out west next month. So yeah, some some exploration and travels coming up just to regroup a little bit before I figure out what's next. 55:26 It's kind of talk, you know, I've been in a situation to where we're looking for for new gigs right away, and you kind of need that time away. But what was the response like from other companies or anything like that, where they was like, Oh, crap, she's on the market. We gotta grab it real quick. I mean, did you have any of those conversations pop up? 55:49 Yeah, I had lots of people reaching out to me through the website, you know, some folks just looking to pick my brain for consulting type work. others that were like our Yeah, we've got a brand or we're starting something. And we wanted to know if you were interested in being our master distiller, but I'm not really interested in just getting another job. The consulting part is really interesting to me, I think, you know, my, my expertise in developing products and helping to design processes is something that a lot of folks more so maybe outside of Kentucky could benefit from, you know, learning the authentic Kentucky way of making spirits. But yeah, I really just want to get back into the gears and challenge myself and maybe, you know, learn learn some new things. 56:43 Your opportunity like in other spirits, like as, I wouldn't say, bourbon stagnant for your like, you know, because it's kind of the same thing. Like, there's not much variance or variation you can kind of do with that like, like with mezcal or other spirits. Does that kind of get more creative with? 56:58 I am. I'm just totally convinced that we're not done innovating and bourbon yet, but it just seems like every new thing is kind of a thing, an iteration of something that's already been done. Yep. So I think there's, there's a whole new genre of innovation out there that nobody's tapped into yet. And what it is is inspiration from other spirits, you know, and I have yet to learn everything I need to actually execute that but I think there's there's lots of interesting spirits and lots of unique ways that they create flavor that we can bring back and even though you know, it's this certain set of regulations that make bourbon what it is there's there's there's more to play with. 57:47 Right? And it's not like the bourbon consumers are so open to new ideas, you know, 57:53 with a product offer friendly, so welcoming. 57:58 Sure, our I was like, that's been the bread and butter for a while. So it's, I mean, if you've been trained in that area, or is that something that you're just you're looking to explore 58:09 in what area Miss cows and 58:12 other things? 58:13 Yeah, not Not really. I mean, I worked for brown Forman, which is a global spirits company. It's not just whiskey. Although I did focus a lot on whiskey. I I spent a lot of time in Mexico and out in California making wine they sent me to Belgium to do a few local projects. I I made vodka for them. 58:41 Along with Fred just lost Fred 58:46 he didn't spit it out. 58:51 He was just being kind. 58:54 did say I did right after I did taste it. I did ask you straight I was like, What are you doing? Why do you Why do you drinking vodka? 59:02 Dude, 59:03 yeah, it's a shame that that was the first thing that you tasted that I've made from scratch. Yeah. 59:11 Music is there anything to drink up here? Like we're gonna go to the warehouse next but you got this clear stuff that but 59:21 now you seem to have a real passion for gin. And like, you know, we hung out you know the other day and you know, we were you know, having some a lot of different a lot of different gin cocktails. What's your What's your favorite style? adyen there's a lot out there. Geez, it like gin is a almost infinite world of ways that you can change the flavor. I think that's the thing that's so interesting about it is you can do almost anything. 59:50 my palate, you know, as a bourbon distiller kind of leans towards something that's more balanced. So a London dry. That's like super Juniper forward is not where I tend to gravitate. So like a botanical, more modern botanical style, but doing really unique things. Like I think that the castle in Cajun, well, nothing is super crazier off the wall. It's unique in the way that it's crafted. And that's not my favorite word ever, but just the thoughtfulness of the ingredients and how they're integrated together. 1:00:31 Yeah, absolutely. Since you were talking about consulting earlier, David Jennings of Robert when no one wanted to ask, because you had missed the earlier half of this conversation, if you wanted to start consulting on helping direct the the new urban secondary markets and it's now going under. 1:00:49 I don't know how I can help. 1:00:56 Secondary. Did you ever did you ever buy anything? You ever buy any old bottles on a secondary market? 1:01:03 No. I tried to barter for a couple but never actually got any bites on that. Give me a great VIP tour. 1:01:12 I remember I 1:01:14 remember like, like, this was a long time ago. You were was when you were with Woodford maybe 2013 2014 1:01:24 It was a long time ago. But you were you did bring up like some kind of you know interaction with you and with you and Chris for a bottle. Is that what you're talking about when you were trying to like have a An Evening with with Chris Morris for a bottle that ring a bell? or using one of those bourbon secondary markets? And and you were trying to get people to come to a Chris Morris event? 1:01:55 Is it was it the the old president's choice? 1:02:06 She's the one she she brought up. 1:02:10 Yeah, here remember that? No, this was actually a castle. You know, a lot of folks would have those old castle decanters. Like, like, I'd never seen one before. You know, 1:02:21 for however many hundreds of dollars. 1:02:26 I don't really want to give you money. But if you like to come out and take a tour, Hillary, we can probably work something out. 1:02:34 And everybody always wants money. Mary. 1:02:38 I understand. 1:02:40 So last question. Miriam. Before we we ask one more question, then we'll kind of round this out. So for you, I know you talked about wanting to do consulting but kind of picture dream job. So here, would you like to start at something smaller and help build that up? Kind of like a you know, Catholic? He was kind of big? Let's be honest. That's a pretty massive place. 1:03:01 Looking at perfect size, perfect size? Yeah, we definitely need 1:03:06 it or would you rather go to a large corporation? You know, if it would be the heaven hills, it would be the Maker's Mark of the world, whatever it is? Or would you just like to just keep doing the consulting and bouncing around and, you know, Mark night, he please put me putting you in some tough shoes to fill here and said, Marian, could be the next day pickrell with a question mark. 1:03:28 I what, I definitely think that his passing lifted a gap in the market. So as much opportunity is this comes from that I would be grateful for I've had lots of various brands reach out. I think, you know, I'm just gonna leave myself open to the universe and see what what happens. And I don't want to say for sure, you know, and I 1:03:56 will or won't, you know, build my own someday, I think then 1:04:03 I would love to be involved with with people who are passionate and want to make good stuff. And if they turn into large brands, that's cool. If they want to keep them small and boutique, that that's fine, too. 1:04:16 Sorry. And just to have it on the record, this means you're open to pursuit spirits 1:04:23 whatever you were saying earlier will make it happen. 1:04:30 Marianne, I'll say like, you know, 1:04:33 I I've talked about you know, many times often in defense of abuse, sadly, you know, when people bring up you know, the master distiller role and everything, and, and I just don't tell you, you know, you can do anything, you know, you're, you have, you have incredible you have incredible, you know, smarts for this business, you haven't you have an ability to market, you know, for marketing and everything as well. And that's rare. And, you know, when you came out and chose to take the title of master distiller, you became a hero for a lot of young women. And there were there were women in their 50s who looked up to you after that, and, and I know that you had a lot of, I'm sorry, there's there's a chat going on in our in our group. Our, our, we've been, we've been banned, you've been named, but you you can marry and you could do anything. So whatever. Whatever it is. You want to put your mind to you know, I hope it's I hope it's bourbon. I hope you do stay on bourbon. I think you have a talent here. 1:05:55 For God's sake, stay away from vodka don't 1:05:57 don't take your talents 1:05:58 to god yeah. 1:06:02 Word of word in your in your opening statement was flavor. Yeah, just remember that let that be the driver dreams. 1:06:10 And always that cordial Fred 1:06:18 should go with a flavored vodka is 1:06:22 you guys are horrible. 1:06:27 So that was a good way to sort of wrap this up. But I do have because we always end up having way more comp topics to talk about. And I kind of want to do this one real quickly. Also, to kind of trail on what Fred said. There was somebody that spammed our chat going on it was sexy, triple x asking to people to click on links for cheeseburgers and booze. 1:06:49 And it's like is Jordan Jordan Jordan put in here like maybe we should have her on next time? 1:06:55 seem cool. cheese burgers, like the link unfortunately. 1:07:03 I was so confused when that pop up because I wasn't following the chat. And I'm like what? Who's sexy? 1:07:11 Why am I not in the chat right now? 1:07:16 I was doing my best not to lose it. 1:07:19 So speaking of cheeseburgers and booze here this was a question that Fred had put out on Twitter this past week and would you drink a marijuana infused bourbon? Go ahead. What do you think 1:07:32 only if it had real weed in it? 1:07:34 Yeah cuz let's let's before there was a lot of back and forth before like 1:07:37 of like it just 1:07:38 they put THC in know, like, we're 1:07:41 putting like the real deal in here. Like we're not doing this whole like you know, hemp bullcrap. Whatever it is, like let's go let's go all in here. And also people are going there they're kind of pissed because they're like it's not bourbon then if it's infused like we get it Okay, like like we know it's new category people just want to they really got a harp on it. But I guess the question is, is reefer bourbon Are you in or out? 1:08:05 So if anyone's had sharp Bay Have you already had it? 1:08:10 is using hops the 1:08:16 man I don't know, man. Margot. He's dropped a little ganja up. 1:08:21 There might be a little bit more than hot. Yeah. 1:08:24 Yeah. If it gives the same effect. Yes. I'm all in. Thank you. 1:08:28 Please. Somebody said yes. Because I say yes. Yeah. You know, 1:08:34 I'll go the hybrid route. Okay, 1:08:36 since I haven't added there's a there's a bar in New York you asked for a dragon and he get

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April 7, 2019 | In our gospel reading this week from John it begins: “Six days before the Passover Jesus came to Bethany, the home of Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.  There they gave a dinner for him.”  This was more than just a meal though, it was a celebration and time of great rejoicing. And in the midst of all the hoopla, Mary does an extraordinary, extravagant, celebratory thing.  She takes a pound of “pure nard,” a very expensive and aromatic perfume, and anoints Jesus’ feet with it. It was an over-the-top act – but it was an over-the-top sort of day celebrating an over-the-top miracle. So Mary gave the precious perfume to show her gratitude. Of course she was criticized.  Nobody ever does anything outside the norm without being criticized or at least questioned. We are invited to join with Mary in being extravagantly grateful and generous to the Jesus who died for us, the Jesus who lives in our hearts, the Jesus who lives in our midst.

Once a year we stop and consider his murder. No death in history has received as much attention as his. And, once a year we stop and consider how he awoke from the dead and walked out of the grave. But there are way more reasons for us to stop and talk about Jesus for a few weeks. Let me give some reasons why we need to fixate on Him from time to time: Jesus existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together. Colossians 1:17 In the beginning, Jesus already existed. Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. John 1:1 For in Jesus Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. Colossians 2:9 For there is only one God and one mediator who can reconcile God and humanity - the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved. Acts 4:12 Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through him. John 14:6 Jesus is everything. There is no one more important to the world than Jesus. There is no one more important to your life than Jesus. Your birth was initiated by him Your existence is dependent on him Your calling bestowed on you by him Your identity is bound up in him Your meaning is defined by him Your security is founded in him. Your eternity is accessible through him Jesus is all the world to you. Jesus is the alpha and the omega of your life. Jesus is everything. 11 A man named Lazarus was sick. He lived in Bethany with his sisters, Mary and Martha. 2 This is the Mary who later poured the expensive perfume on the Lord's feet and wiped them with her hair.[a] Her brother, Lazarus, was sick. 3 So the two sisters sent a message to Jesus telling him, "Lord, your dear friend is very sick." 4 But when Jesus heard about it he said, "Lazarus' sickness will not end in death. No, it happened for the glory of God so that the Son of God will receive glory from this." 5 So although Jesus loved Martha, Mary, and Lazarus, 6 he stayed where he was for the next two days. 7 Finally, he said to his disciples, "Let's go back to Judea."br /> 8 But his disciples objected. "Rabbi," they said, "only a few days ago the people[b] in Judea were trying to stone you. Are you going there again?" 9 Jesus replied, "There are twelve hours of daylight every day. During the day people can walk safely. They can see because they have the light of this world. 10 But at night there isdanger of stumbling because they have no light." 11 Then he said, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up." 12 The disciples said, "Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!" 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died. 14 So he told them plainly, "Lazarus is dead. 15 And for your sakes, I'm glad I wasn't there, for now you will really believe. Come, let's go see him." 16 Thomas, nicknamed the Twin,[c] said to his fellow disciples, "Let's go, too, and die with Jesus." 17 When Jesus arrived at Bethany, he was told that Lazarus had already been in his grave for four days. 18 Bethany was only a few miles[d] down the road from Jerusalem, 19 and many of the people had come to console Martha and Mary in their loss. 20 When Martha got word that Jesus was coming, she went to meet him. But Mary stayed in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask." 23 Jesus told her, "Your brother will rise again." 24 "Yes," Martha said, "he will rise when everyone else rises,at the last day." 25 Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life.[e] Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. 26 Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?" 27 "Yes, Lord," she told him. "I have always believed you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who has come into the world from God." 28 Then she returned to Mary. She called Mary aside from the mourners and told her, "The Teacher is here and wants to see you." 29 So Mary immediately went to him. 30 Jesus had stayed outside the village, at the place where Martha met him. 31 When the people who were at the house consoling Mary saw her leave so hastily, they assumed she was going to Lazarus's grave to weep. So they followed her there. 32 When Mary arrived and saw Jesus, she fell at his feet and said, "Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died." 33 When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him,[f] and he was deeply troubled. 34 "Where have you put him?" he asked them. They told him, "Lord, come and see." 35 Then Jesus wept. 36 The people who were standing nearby said, "See how much he loved him!" 37 But some said, "This man healed a blind man. Couldn't he have kept Lazarus from dying?" 38 Jesus was still angry as he arrived at the tomb, a cave with a stone rolled across its entrance. "Roll the stone aside," Jesus told them. But Martha, the dead man's sister, protested, "Lord, he has been dead for four days. The smell will be terrible." 40 Jesus responded, "Didn't I tell you that you would see God's glory if you believe?" 41 So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, "Father, thank you for hearing me. 42 You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standinghere, so that they will believe you sent me." 43 Then Jesus shouted, "Lazarus, come out!" 44 And the dead man came out, his hands and feet bound in graveclothes, his face wrapped in a headcloth. Jesus told them, "Unwrap him and let him go!" 45 Many of the people who were with Mary believed in Jesus when they saw this happen. 46 But some went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 Then the leading priests and Pharisees called the high council[g] together. "What are we going to do?" they asked each other. "This man certainly performs many miraculous signs. 48 If we allow him to go on like this, soon everyone will believe in him. Then the Roman army will come and destroy both our Temple[h] and our nation." -John 11:1-48 He looks at you and he says - I am the resurrection and the life. I am the glory of God. What do you want your relationship with him to be?

How have you been? Hoje eu falo sobre dois idioms em inglês usados para dizer como alguém é conhecido. Não perca... Se você está recebendo este episódio por email, clique aqui para ouvir o podcast no site.  Transcrição How are you? You're listening to the new episode of the Inglês Online podcast. Thank you for telling everyone you know about this podcast and, enjoy! Let's get started with a really informal way to, sort of have good-natured fun with someone by telling them that they're famous for something. This term is so informal that it's not even an entry in dictionaries at this point. So let's say your friends Mary and Tom, who are boyfriend and girlfriend, had this big trip to... Paris! Yeah, they went to Paris and spent two weeks there. And, when they came back, you learned that Mary and Tom are engaged. Tom proposed to Mary by the Eiffel Tower. So Mary is now telling you all about it and how Paris is so beautiful and romantic, and it's the perfect place for a marriage proposal... And you say "Well, they don't call it City of Love for nothing!" So what are you saying? First, you're saying that Paris is called City of Love, and people don't call it that for nothing! There's a reason Paris is called City of Love, and the reason is that it is a beautiful and romantic city. So you tell your friend Mary "They don't call it City of Love for nothing." Another example: in your group of friends one of you has the nickname of "the Hulk". That's a pretty common one. I think when I was in school everyone knew a Hulk. So that's usually the tall, muscular, strong guy who can lift a heavy table or something. So you guys all call your friend Tony "the Hulk". One day you guys are all having a beer in some bar and two people walk in carrying what looks like a pretty heavy box. One of them trips on a broomstick and loses their balance, but before the heavy box lands on your friend Christine, who's sitting pretty close to the scene, the Hulk swoops in and grabs it. People cannot believe it. It's a really heavy box. Jaws are dropping. You say to the woman standing by your side "They don't call him the Hulk for nothing." Ok, and here's a simple idiom, sort of related to the one I just explained. It's a term I'm pretty sure many of you have heard before. My question is, though: are you using it? Does it come to you naturally? If you said no, listen on. This is the goal of this podcast: to provide you with comprehensible input to the point where you'll be so familiarised with idioms that you'll speak them naturally. So I'm talking about the idiom well-known for. I'm just going to go ahead and give you examples: Silvio Santos is well-known for being one of the most successful entertainers in Brazil. Robert de Niro is well-known for being a talented actor. Rio de Janeiro is well known for its beautiful scenery and beaches. Brazil is well-known for its tropical weather. Investment banking is well-known for being a very competitive career. What else? What else is well-known, and what is it well-known for? Let me know. See you soon! Key expressions they don't call (someone) (something) for nothing well-known for Vocabulary good-natured = agradável, bem-humorada lose your balance = desequilibrar-se, perder o equilíbrio marriage proposal = pedido de casamento broomstick = cabo de vassoura swoops in = "vai lá", entra em ação rapidamente jaws are dropping = pessoas estão ficando de boca aberta

How have you been? Hoje eu falo sobre dois idioms em inglês usados para dizer como alguém é conhecido. Não perca... Se você está recebendo este episódio por email, clique aqui para ouvir o podcast no site.  Transcrição How are you? You're listening to the new episode of the Inglês Online podcast. Thank you for telling everyone you know about this podcast and, enjoy! Let's get started with a really informal way to, sort of have good-natured fun with someone by telling them that they're famous for something. This term is so informal that it's not even an entry in dictionaries at this point. So let's say your friends Mary and Tom, who are boyfriend and girlfriend, had this big trip to... Paris! Yeah, they went to Paris and spent two weeks there. And, when they came back, you learned that Mary and Tom are engaged. Tom proposed to Mary by the Eiffel Tower. So Mary is now telling you all about it and how Paris is so beautiful and romantic, and it's the perfect place for a marriage proposal... And you say "Well, they don't call it City of Love for nothing!" So what are you saying? First, you're saying that Paris is called City of Love, and people don't call it that for nothing! There's a reason Paris is called City of Love, and the reason is that it is a beautiful and romantic city. So you tell your friend Mary "They don't call it City of Love for nothing." Another example: in your group of friends one of you has the nickname of "the Hulk". That's a pretty common one. I think when I was in school everyone knew a Hulk. So that's usually the tall, muscular, strong guy who can lift a heavy table or something. So you guys all call your friend Tony "the Hulk". One day you guys are all having a beer in some bar and two people walk in carrying what looks like a pretty heavy box. One of them trips on a broomstick and loses their balance, but before the heavy box lands on your friend Christine, who's sitting pretty close to the scene, the Hulk swoops in and grabs it. People cannot believe it. It's a really heavy box. Jaws are dropping. You say to the woman standing by your side "They don't call him the Hulk for nothing." Ok, and here's a simple idiom, sort of related to the one I just explained. It's a term I'm pretty sure many of you have heard before. My question is, though: are you using it? Does it come to you naturally? If you said no, listen on. This is the goal of this podcast: to provide you with comprehensible input to the point where you'll be so familiarised with idioms that you'll speak them naturally. So I'm talking about the idiom well-known for. I'm just going to go ahead and give you examples: Silvio Santos is well-known for being one of the most successful entertainers in Brazil. Robert de Niro is well-known for being a talented actor. Rio de Janeiro is well known for its beautiful scenery and beaches. Brazil is well-known for its tropical weather. Investment banking is well-known for being a very competitive career. What else? What else is well-known, and what is it well-known for? Let me know. See you soon!   Key expressions they don't call (someone) (something) for nothing well-known for   Vocabulary good-natured = agradável, bem-humorada lose your balance = desequilibrar-se, perder o equilíbrio marriage proposal = pedido de casamento broomstick = cabo de vassoura swoops in = "vai lá", entra em ação rapidamente jaws are dropping = pessoas estão ficando de boca aberta  

Steve DeNeff - Matt. 27:57-61; John 20:10-18. Anyone who has attended a funeral knows how solemn, and sometimes devastating a moment that can be. So Mary has come to the garden to pay her respects and finds, to her amazement, that Jesus’ body is gone. There can only be one explanation: someone has stolen it. But this is no ordinary funeral. On Easter, things are not as they seem. This is a different garden and there is something that Mary doesn’t know. And what she learns, that first Easter, is good news for everyone like her who search for hope.

Speaker or Performer: Pr. Lovett Scripture Passage(s): Matthew 2:1-12 Date of Delivery: January 6, 2013 In the name of the Father and of the + Son and of the Holy Spirit.The season of Epiphany starts today on the Festival of the Epiphany of Our Lord, January 6th, the day after the Season of Christmas. Epiphany means revelation; to reveal something. So the Season of Epiphany starts off with the reading from St. Matthew wherein the Christ is revealed to the Gentile Magi as the King of the Jews, of whom the prophets foretold. Christ is revealed to the whole world even in his infancy, as the Savior of the nations and the ruler before whom all rulers will bow down. Fulfilled are the Scriptures that talk about the kings of the earth coming to worship the Lord and to bring Him gifts and tribute.But it would do us well to look at how this event transpired and to ask the question, “What is the Holy Spirit teaching us?” Surely the Holy Spirit isn’t interested in merely teaching history and passing along cool facts about Jesus and some eastern sages. Not at all. He is always and forever interested in teaching us about the glory of Christ and of our salvation in Him and the salvation of the whole world so that we would be better equipped to ponder the divine and behold the wonder and majesty of Christ, that we would be all the more eager to bring Him our meager treasures of our bodies and wills, our hearts and minds, that He might bless us and send us on our way having seen His glory.Today St. Paul preaches on the visit of the Magi – there in the epistle reading – when he teaches that the mystery of Christ that was given to him is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body. That’s the point of the Magi coming to worship the one born King of the Jews. The Magi are representative of the rest of the world: nameless, faceless men bringing the wealth of the nations to their Lord and God, to the one by whom and through whom they were created. Jesus is the savior of all mankind and all mankind is looking for Him – God with us.But there is something wonderful here. The Magi of the East don’t follow the star to where the Christ is. They follow the star to Jerusalem. The Magi saw the Star of David in the East and knew – through the prophets – that the one born King of the Jews had been born. So they set out toward Jerusalem, the capital of the Jews and the city of the Temple of the God of the Jews. Makes sense. You want to find the ruler of the Jews, go to where their temple and palace are, where all their holy things are. But when they arrive in Jerusalem the Child is not there. Where is He? Search the Scriptures! This is wonderful! Here the Holy Spirit teaches us that in order to find the Christ we must listen to the Scriptures! No matter how much it makes sense that the one born King of kings and Lord of lords be born in and live in His holy city where His temple and palace are, the Scriptures do not lie and they do not consider the reason of men. They say that He is born in Bethlehem, the City of David, which means, “The House of Bread.”So there are the scribes and lawyers in Jerusalem preaching from the Scriptures to the Gentiles that Jesus is found in the House of Bread. It doesn’t matter that they and Herod had wicked intent. They preached the Scriptures and those who searched for the Christ listened to the Scriptures. So off to Bethlehem they go. And when they arrive they see the star rest on where the Child was. The star, sent by God to guide the Magi, waited until the Scriptures had been listened to and obeyed before it to went to Bethlehem. This is so that we learn that everything we know about God and Christ and His kingdom and rule and how and where to find Him are contained solely in the Scriptures. Nothing else will tell us where the Christ is or lead us to Him except the Scriptures alone. They are our guide and shining light, they are our star, which is nothing other than the Holy Spirit who bears witness about the Christ and calls men to Him by the gospel.So we have the Magi representing the nations to show that Jesus is born for all men and not only for the Jews, as St. Paul preaches. We have them listening to the Scriptures to find the Christ, who is in the House of Bread. The Scriptures teach that the Christ is found in the House of Bread.Now when they arrive they find there the Child with Mary, His mother. Of course He’s going to be with His mother. He’s not yet two-years-old. But again, the Holy Spirit, which is the star, is not leading us frivolously or needlessly. Why is Mary mentioned? Becuase Mary is the chief believer. She is the first to believe that the child of her womb is the salvation for all men. She is the first to believe that He is God, called holy from the womb. She is the first to live with God in the flesh. She has heard Simeon and Anna the prophetess, and has treasured up these things in her heart. Mary is the premier believer and embodies the Church and her faith. She ponders this Child night and day, like any other mother does her children, but with the addition that her child is God Himself and her Savior and the Savior of all. Mary is mentioned to teach us that when you find the Christ, you will also find His Church, His saints, His Body. So Mary and the Magi, Jew and the Gentile, are brought together by the Holy Spirit to worship the Lord in His house, in the House of Bread.The preachers in Jerusalem preached the Scriptures, even though they did not care to listen to them themselves, and those who searched for the Christ found Him according to the Scriptures. And when they found Him they found with Him those who already worshiped and adored Him. Where do we find the Christ? Listen to the Scriptures! You find Him in the House of Bread as He said, “Take, eat; this is my Body.” We find Him where His saints are gathered. We find Him with His Body who is gathered to worship Him.By this the Holy Spirit teaches us that when others are looking for the Christ we are to say to them what the Scriptures say so that they would find the Christ and His Church. We aren’t to point them to history or reason or appeal to their emotions. We are to say to them, it is written, “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them.” The Christ is found by listening to the Scriptures, which tell us to look for Him in the waters of holy baptism, the absolution of His holy ministry, and in His holy body and blood given and shed for you for the forgiveness of sins. Here is the Christ. You have come to find Him and to worship Him, bringing Him your treasures of your body and soul, heart and mind. You have found the Christ.In Nomine Iesu+ Amen +

On Today’s episode: Santo kicks some vampiric butt! On today’s show Nic is out of town jet setting. So Mary and I will be joined by our good friend Juan from the Creepy swamps of south Florida to talk about the Mexican film Samson and the Vampire Women from 1962. Plus we have some great […]

It is funny how our little traditions and ways of doing things are like the law. Our traditions are what we have to do or it is just not Christmas. Well, on that note we asked last week, what does God want us to think about when we think about Christmas. We looked at Mary first and saw that the Lord wants us to think long on Jesus, to significantly ponder Him. We think on Him until we know how to respond. Today we are going to look at the shepherds. Their story is quite different from Mary. Mary's thoughts are coming over a period of nine months. She is reflecting on the announcement of the angel Gabriel of her pregnancy, the virgin birth, and how the angel gave her fiance, Joseph peace about all this. She is reflecting on the conditions over the birth and the events that followed. So Mary's thoughts are coming at her over a period of time where she has an opportunity to think about each one. The shepherds' thoughts literally explode on them. They are at work, the night shift, when the sky opens and there are a multitude of angels. The shepherds are literally seeing Christmas fly at them.