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K & K Real Talk
A Taste for Turmoil | K & K Podcast Ep. 105

K & K Real Talk

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2025 61:37


In a time where everybody is claiming to be “intentional,” what are you choosing to focus your energy on? Join us as we deconstruct Chapter 11 of “Brainwashed: Challenging the Myth of Black Inferiority” by Tom Burrell. We are Kiva and Kahawia. This episode features music from Libby Baeeloo.This episode mentions Dr. Joy DeGruy's Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome https://www.joydegruy.com/post-traumatic-slave-syndromeVisit AfroSoFly.comBecome a Patron! https://www.patreon.com/afrosofly

Growing Together with Kaelin & Kyrah Edwards
you were set up to fail...

Growing Together with Kaelin & Kyrah Edwards

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2024 68:27


Question: What do you get when you mix a movie/documentary called “Am I Racist”, a book about Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome, and a biography about an unscrupulous business magnate? Answer: You get closer to understanding the origin of generational curses that plague the black community. You get a deeper understanding of why and how black communities have been destabilized, and what is possible when opportunities aren't blocked and families are able to perpetuate generational wealth. There is a lot we begin to unpack in this episode. The effects of the things we spoke about in this episode run deep and overtime in future episodes we will continue to unpack and learn about the past as we find ways to create a better future.

Growing Together with Kaelin & Kyrah Edwards
you were set up to fail...

Growing Together with Kaelin & Kyrah Edwards

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2024 68:27


Question: What do you get when you mix a movie/documentary called “Am I Racist”, a book about Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome, and a biography about an unscrupulous business magnate? Answer: You get closer to understanding the origin of generational curses that plague the black community. You get a deeper understanding of why and how black communities have been destabilized, and what is possible when opportunities aren't blocked and families are able to perpetuate generational wealth. There is a lot we begin to unpack in this episode. The effects of the things we spoke about in this episode run deep and overtime in future episodes we will continue to unpack and learn about the past as we find ways to create a better future. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.kaelinedwards.com

Politically Entertaining with Evolving Randomness (PEER) by EllusionEmpire
218- Navigating Tech and Social Issues with Zhe Scott (The SEO Queen)

Politically Entertaining with Evolving Randomness (PEER) by EllusionEmpire

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 29, 2024 36:03 Transcription Available


Send us a Text Message.How does understanding SEO from an expert like Z Scott, the SEO Queen, transform your tech knowledge? Join us for an enlightening episode with Z Scott, an MIT graduate and a leader in the world of technology and search engine optimization. We start by breaking down the fundamentals of SEO to make it accessible to everyone, and Z shares her personal journey and professional insights into the tech industry. This episode also underscores the importance of diversity in our discussions, linking SEO and technology to broader societal issues like homelessness and racial inequality.Listen as we dissect America's fraught history with racial inequality, touching on the thwarted efforts of historical figures like Lincoln and the impacts of political decisions by Johnson and Hayes. We delve deeply into Dr. Joy DeGruy's concept of Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome and confront the harsh realities of racism that persist today. Through personal anecdotes, we debunk the myth of meritocracy and highlight the resilience and relentless pursuit of progress among marginalized communities. This segment is a powerful reminder of the ongoing struggle for true equality and the need for unvarnished historical truth.The conversation then shifts to the intricate dynamics of the current political landscape, emphasizing a steadfast allegiance to faith over political parties. We discuss disillusionment with the justice system, the impact of landmark cases like the Tulsa Oklahoma bombing, and the essential role of integrity in politics. Finally, with Z Scott's expert advice, we explore crucial aspects of data privacy and the role of AI in data analysis. For anyone looking to enhance their SEO knowledge, Z Scott's insights are invaluable. Don't miss this thought-provoking episode that blends technology, history, and personal stories, offering a rich tapestry of insights and practical knowledge.Follow Zhe Scott for more content at ...Her Websitehttps://www.seoqueen.com/Social MediaFacebookhttps://www.facebook.com/theSeoQueenTwitterhttps://x.com/theseoqueen/Pinteresthttps://www.pinterest.ca/theseoqueen/YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/@TheSEOQueenOfficialInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/theseoqueen/TikTokhttps://www.tiktok.com/@theseoqueen40 Acres and a Lie- the article Zhe provided https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/06/40-acres-and-a-lie/If you want to be a guest on my podcast, join PodMatch by clicking on the link below.https://www.joinpodmatch.com/politically-high-techSupport the Show.Follow your host atYouTube and Rumble for video contenthttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxk1oJBVw-IAZTqChH70aghttps://rumble.com/c/c-4236474Facebook to receive updateshttps://www.facebook.com/EliasEllusion/Twitter (yes, I refuse to call it X)https://x.com/politicallyht

What Happened In Alabama?
EP 1: Prologue

What Happened In Alabama?

Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2024 32:02


When journalist Lee Hawkins was growing up, his father, Leroy, would have nightmares about his childhood in Alabama. When Lee was in his 30s, he started to have his own nightmares about his childhood in Minnesota. These shared nightmares became a clue that set Lee on a decade-long genealogical journey. In this episode we meet Lee and his Dad, and through them, we discover the roots of What Happened in Alabama?, and reveal the stakes of daring to ask the question – and all the questions that followed.TranscriptLee Hawkins (host): We wanted to give a heads up that this episode includes talk of abuse and acts of violence. You can find resources on our website, WhatHappenedInAlabama.org. Listener discretion is advised. In 2004, when I was 33 years old, my dad called me for the first time in a year. I remember it so well. It was a Saturday. It wasn't long after his retirement party, which I missed, because we weren't talking.[phone ringing] A year may not sound like that long to some of you, but you have to understand, my dad and I used to talk every day. He was my best friend. We stopped talking because I asked my parents to go to therapy. I wanted them to confront some things from our past that had started haunting me as an adult, but they refused. And then a year later, Dad called. That one call turned into hundreds over several years. And what he told me, would change my life forever. Lee Sr.: I really haven't shared any of this shit with anybody, you know. But what it - I'm sorry I'm goin' back in that shit. But you know everybody's life isn't as peachy as people think. My name is Lee Hawkins and this is What Happened In Alabama: The Prologue.[music starts]Before we go much further, I need to tell you how uncomfortable this makes me. I'm a journalist and a writer; and as journalists, we're taught to tell other people's stories — but this story, well, it's all about me and my family. So that takes me out of my comfort zone, but I've learned over the years that sometimes the most powerful story you can tell is your own.So let's start at the beginning. Back home in Maplewood, Minnesota, where I grew up. [game sounds] Maplewood was that suburban American dream – the white fences, green lawns and ranch-style houses. It was the 1980s, so my two sisters and I were always either playing outside or in the house listening to music. My favorite was the handheld Mattel Classic Football 2 game. I used to play that thing all day. [game sounds] We lived and went to school in a predominantly white neighborhood, but we also spent a lot of time in our Black community in Saint Paul, where our church was, and many family and friends lived. Having that balance was a real blessing. A lot of the childhood joy I experienced as a kid was fueled by the time I spent with my Dad and my grandfathers. Playing drums and singing at music gigs. Going to the “Brotherhood Breakfast” – which was a pancake and waffles extravaganza that my church organized for Black fathers and their sons. We talked about everything from the Muhammad Ali-Larry Holmes fight to Prince's latest hit.[barbershop sounds] Getting lined up at Mr. Harper's Barbershop – basically one of the few places for a Black man to get a haircut in Saint Paul. And on Sunday we went to Mount Olivet Missionary Baptist Church.[church music starts] Lee Sr.: [singing] Who's on the lord's side? That's my dad, Lee Roy Hawkins Senior, singing at our church. From the time I was a little kid, it was always me and him. Lee Senior and Lee Junior. Lee Roy and Lee Lee.But there was something bubbling up under our picture perfect surface. [foreboding music starts]Sometimes, my dad would have nightmares. I remember waking up in the middle of the night to his screams. He'd wake the whole house. I'd hear my mom shouting, “Lee Roy, you're having a dream! It's okay, you're having a dream!” She'd say it over and over and eventually he'd wake up and calm down. Like most boys my age, I idolized my dad. I thought he was the most fearless person on Earth, and that he wasn't afraid of anything. So hearing him scream out like that told me that whatever he was dreaming about had to be pretty fierce. I knew better than to go in that room during those nightmares, but one morning, I somehow found the courage to finally ask him, “Dad, what were you dreaming about last night?” He hardly spoke. He just looked down at the floor and said, “Alabama, son. Alabama.”My father was born in 1948 in a small town in Butler County, Alabama, during the height of Jim Crow. He rarely talked about it or what happened while he was there. But Alabama was always with us. It's like he'd packed it into his suitcase when he moved to Minnesota. In his screams at night and in the things he didn't say. I couldn't explain it back then, but it also showed up in how he punished us. Like this one time back in 1979 I was eight years old, and as usual, playing my video game.[video game noises] It was a Sunday. I remember because we'd just come home from church. My dad was in the kitchen putting mayonnaise on a bologna sandwich, and I was in the living room, when suddenly…. TOUCHDOWN![video game beeps]I jumped up man, and I ran over to dad in the kitchen. And I told him, “Dad, dad, I scored a touchdown!” [dark music starts]Instead of congratulating me, he snatched the game from my hand. He threw it down on the ground, and then he picked me up and body slammed me to the linoleum floor. Hard.And then he just started screaming, “Do it on the field! Do it on the field!” Looking up at him from the floor, I was completely bewildered and confused. As an eight year old kid, I had no idea why he'd done that.Like many Black kids we knew, we got the belt whenever we did something wrong. If I try to estimate it, I definitely got whipped with a belt over 100 times throughout my childhood and my teenage years. Both of my parents whipped me with inexplicable anger. You didn't always know when their tempers would be triggered, but when they were, you couldn't forget it. There was a sense of fear of the outside world that hung over our household constantly. When we'd get punished, our parents would tell us that it was to protect us, to keep us from being killed, by the police, by white racists, or even someone from our own Black community. I could sense it in my Dad's nightmares. But I didn't think about it too much until I started to have my own nightmares as an adult. The summer of 2003, I was a journalist in my early thirties, and I'd just landed a job at the Wall Street Journal covering General Motors from Detroit. I had a new apartment, strong friendships and my loving family – my two sisters, my mom, my dad. They all lived in suburbs around the Twin Cities. My parents still lived in Maplewood. Like always, I talked nearly every day to my dad on the phone.I was, in a lot of ways, fulfilling my dreams. But at night, something was happening. I'd fall asleep, and then, I was eight years old again, getting body slammed by my dad. I started having these dreams like multiple times a week. And each dream focused on that same attack.I would wake up sweaty and disoriented, still thinking from the vantage point of that eight year old kid looking up at my dad's face from the floor. Every time it took a few minutes for me to realize that I wasn't still that kid. That I was an adult. I was far away from Minnesota. And I was in my own home. There was one particular night when I realized that the nightmares were seeping into my daily life. I was at a bar with my friends. [bar sounds] The bar was packed. We were standing around tall bar tables, and everyone was talking over everyone. It smelled like Grand Marnier. As my friends talked, all of a sudden their voices became distant. I was standing next to a table, trying to laugh along with everybody, but my mind's eye was on that 8-year old version of me – that little boy who kept springing up in my dreams. I was admonishing myself. I kept thinking over and over about what I could have done to protect him. And then, I leaned back, and suddenly, I was on fire. My shirt had caught the flame of a small candle that was burning on the tabletop. My friend Marcus jumped into action. He started putting out the flames on my arm with his hand while everyone else took a step back.A little later, Marcus made a joke about it and we laughed, but I could tell my friends were baffled, wondering how could I be so out of it that I'd set my arm on a burning candle. What in the world is going on with me? Why can't I stop thinking about stuff that happened two decades ago? That year got harder and harder for me. The endless replay of this past memory, the brain fog, the anxiety, the disorientation, and the anger. The weight of it all became overbearing. So much so that one night I was screaming at my father in the dream. When I woke, I knew I needed to confront my parents. Immediately. I reached for the phone.[phone ringing] I tried to catch my breath while it rang. When my mother answered, I shouted, "Put Dad on the phone!" My heart was pumping outside of my chest. My fists were clenched, and I felt like I could punch through the wall. When he answered, I asked him if he remembered body slamming me to the floor when I was eight years old over a game I was playing. He just sat there listening to me breathing and said, “I don't know. I did a lot of crazy things.” My mom started screaming into the phone, telling me I was being disrespectful.I told them I would stop talking to them forever unless they went to therapy first. They refused. So I hung up the phone. And I didn't talk to my parents for over a year. I was committed, and I was done with them. [music starts]And during that time, I tried to confront my nightmares. I went to therapy. I exercised and started meditating. I did all the things I could do to manage the stress on my body and my mind. And I thought about that conversation with my parents a lot, about how all I had wanted was to know why. Why did they treat me like that as a kid? Intellectually, I knew that in that particular instance, they were trying to teach me a lesson – a lesson that even at eight years old, I had to hurry up and become a man.That's what “do it on the field” means – that Black boys need to make real-world accomplishments if they want to be successful in life. I understood this, but I didn't understand why my dad felt he needed to body slam me. And then my dad called. He told me he'd missed me at his retirement party, and he'd missed all of our hours-long chats. He apologized, and said that he understood that I had been taken for granted, and that I had every right to be upset about everything that happened to me as a kid. It was our separation that made him realize that. He told me he and my mom were ready to go to counseling. And I was too. Lee Sr.: Yeah, but see I got a lot of memories down there that I really didn't wanna deal with, you know? They've been living in this survival, get what you can bullshit all these years, man, it's been like that my whole adult years. Been putting out fires, man, my whole life. My whole adult life. There were so many questions I wanted to ask my parents growing up. Questions about them, about their lives. And about how that affected the choices they made in raising me and my sisters – choices that were imposed on us by our own country, and our country's perception of our place in it. I started with my dad. His life in the south was a mystery to us, and I wanted to know what happened to him. What happened in Alabama?Lee: Tell me about your earliest memory in Greenville and what it was like to grow up there. Lee Sr.: Lived in a little house…had two or three rooms and a kitchen. My dad built the house. When I started working on this project in 2014, Dad really opened up about his life in the Jim Crow south. And I was blessed to be able to record some of our interviews. Some of what he shared were beautiful memories of this little boy we'd never seen pictures of. He shared fond memories of Alabama, especially the baseball field he played on. His team would play during the day. And sometimes Negro League legends like Hank Aaron and Satchel Paige would play there at night. Other memories were super hard for him to revisit. But he courageously kept opening up. He told me about something he'd always been too pained to talk about: how the loss of his mom in 1961, when he was just 12 years old, changed his whole life. Lee Sr.: You know, that was a real devastating thing for me when I lost my mommy. I just can't even, you know, shit, I couldn't, I couldn't make it through that man. And how it felt when, after his mom's death, he moved north to live with one of his older sisters and her husband in MinnesotaLee Sr.: When I had left Alabama, something came out of me, man. A big ass relief. And I didn't even know where I was going. But it was a big ass, just, man like a breath of fresh air, man.Later, he expressed the regret, confusion and rage he felt when he returned to Alabama at 27 years old, when I was just a baby, to bury his father – who was killed.Lee Sr.: I was looking forward for him to see you guys. And I was always thinking I had more time, you know, because he was a healthy guy, man. He was a healthy man. And how hard that return was, for many reasons. Lee Sr.: It was horrible because somebody had killed him, and people were looking at us like trying to figure out what we were gonna do about it. And I was saying, fuck, I got to get through this and get out of this motherfucker. You know, I ain't got time to look for no murderer.As he told me these stories, I realized that my father knew very little about his own upbringing. He had left Alabama at such a young age, and because of that there were so many secrets that were kept from him – and these were the secrets that showed up in his nightmares as an adult. The ones he kept from me. As a journalist, for me, one of the hardest things is to know there's a story there, but to not be able to break it open and just tell it. It was nagging at me, and I knew something had happened in my family to make my parents so extremely fearful for themselves and for us. So in 2015, I took a DNA test.Lee Sr.: And that thing, you know they say, if you don't know where you come from, how the hell you know where you going? For years, I had believed that the stories of Black families like mine were irretrievable, but with the help of that test, my father and I went to work filling in that family tree. I embarked on a genealogical journey for myself, but also for – and often with – my dad. [phone ringing]Lee Sr.: Hello?Lee: Hey, Dad. Lee Sr.: Yeah. Hey, man. Lee: Can you hear me okay? Lee Sr.: Yeah. You're good.Lee: Okay. Good, man. Good. Thanks a lot. Lee Sr.: Oh, yeah. Let's get it. I dug into archives and sifted through census records. I'd call him up when I found new information.Lee: I'm looking at this um, hmm. This genealogy shit is crazy.Lee Sr.: Well, I'll be darned. Lee: Did you realize that when your mom's father was killed, she was nine? Lee Sr.: She was nine? Lee: She was nine. Lee Sr.: No, I didn't know that. Lee: But, you know, your dad has, in the census, he had a couple brothers and sisters that were listed as mulatto. Lee Sr.: Oh, goodness me. The project became so much bigger than discovering our family. It turned into an exploration of American history that no one really likes to talk about: the aftermath of slavery and Jim Crow, a history that shaped my family's experience in America.This is a story about some of the more tragic parts of my family and my country's history. The parts that, amid all the love and the closeness, were buried and rarely if ever discussed. It's about my journey to uncover and understand those tragedies.I did hundreds of interviews. Some of them with family members, others with genealogists and academics on everything from the intergenerational effects of the Holocaust on survivors and their descendants, the effects of slavery on Black America, and even the mental health of the children of people who have been incarcerated or murdered. Even when it didn't seem like it, every interview I did was also a means to understand our family history and in turn myself, so much better. Brandon Jones: Well, we have a lot of old parenting techniques that were picked up and conditioned from slavery that have continued on. Doctor Joy DeGruy talks about this in her book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Prof. Christopher Haveman: There was no real justification – moral justification – for it other than whites had the racist premise that they were civilized and the Indians were “savages” and that the whites could make better use of the land than Indians.Dr. Ruth Thompson-Miller: And for folks who think that, you know, that was like 50, 60, 70 years ago, we've gotten past that – oh, no, no we haven't. The people who lived through it suffered through the violence and everything that went along with being an American living under a system of Jim Crow. They haven't recovered.The punishments, the belt, and the nightmares that haunted me and my father — I knew they couldn't be isolated incidents. They had to be echoes of a deeper shared history. A history that is alive in all of us today. [music]For four years, my dad and I kept calling each other up on the phone to talk through my most recent discoveries. In 2019, he did an epic three-hour interview. It was planned as the last interview that I'd need for him to get it done.Since Dad and I were both still actively involved in music and had just recorded a Christmas song together, we were both looking forward to doing more. I told him I'd come to Minnesota to produce a song for him. And I thanked him for going so deeply into the past with me – that I was proud of him, and that he'd done an amazing job. He asked me, “Son, is there anything else you need?” I said no, but I'd see him soon.Lee Sr.: Alright man, thanks for the call, man. Lee: Okay, talk to you later. Lee Sr.: Keep on keeping on. Love you. Lee: K, love you. Bye. [phone hangs up]Shortly after that, he and my mom went to celebrate their 50th anniversary at the Buddy Guy/Mavis Staples concert, and he had a massive cardiac arrest, right there in the concert venue. Four days later, on February 28, 2019, he died. It was devastating. I think about my dad and the dynamic duo we were. And just like the music we made together in our life, this project was largely inspired by him. Even though it was hard for him at times, he did it, yes for himself, but especially for me. It was the greatest gift he could ever give me. And his unexpected death completely changed the story for me. For all of us. Roberta: He went through so much in his life. Went through so much. He did. This is my mom, Roberta Hawkins. She met my dad while they were both hanging out at McCarron's Lake in Roseville, splashing around on the beach with friends. They were just 14 year old kids. And that concert my dad had the cardiac arrest at was one of the many date nights they went on, this time, in honor of their 50-year wedding anniversary. That teenage love just grew stronger and stronger.On a cold, snowy afternoon in Saint Paul, I sat down with my mom and one of my sisters for a conversation. We'd rescheduled our meeting because of a blizzard earlier that week, so the day we recorded this just happened to be a significant one. Lee: Today is the fourth anniversary of Dad's death, and it's just a coincidence that we're here today talking. Can we reflect on what this means for us? Roberta: One thing, great memories. Great memories. But it's, it's hard because I miss him so much, and life isn't the same. When we sat together on the anniversary of his death, the pain of losing him was still very raw for us. We reflected on dad — and how we missed and loved him.I've come to understand that all of the grief, all of the racism and all of the stressful experiences that started when he came into the world as a child of Jim Crow stayed with him until the day he died. When I think about my dad in the context of American history, I recognize that the country that we all loved – and he defended as part of the Air Force – refused to love him back. Our country, which I also love so deeply, sought to destroy my family by forcing them to live under this brutal caste system for five generations following Emancipation. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I continue with this project, day after day, because I know that without intervention and education, history can repeat itself. I'm doing this for my father, and for my ancestors and elders. But especially for our Black children, and their families. Because the process of breaking the cycles born out of slavery and Jim Crow that many of us inherited and internalized has to start inside of our families. The beauty and the power of our people, and our true, authentic Black identity of unwavering excellence and dignity that comes from those family members who came before us, that's the part we need to celebrate and to keep.Lee: What does family mean to you, and what do you want people to know about you and the family, our listeners? Roberta: I think family means everything, because that's one of the reasons that we can survive, with family. And we all go through a lot. And this has been the hardest part of my life, is – even with my husband gone, and knowing how much he went through in his life. And he was a wonderful, wonderful husband and father. And I just don't know. It's very difficult even to go day to day without him, because he was my best friend, too. When my dad died, I lost my best buddy, a father and a mentor. And in many ways, he was a partner in all of this. He needed to do this work. We needed to do this work. And I believe it's necessary for any cycle breaker, not just for my family but for many other American families.I hope that this podcast can serve as an inspirational blueprint for others looking to discover, investigate and understand their own family history. We can no longer bury the dark parts of American history because it makes people feel uncomfortable. For none of us are responsible for the sins of our forefathers, and we can't rewrite the past. But we certainly can shape the present, and most importantly, the future.This story is mine, yes, but it also belongs to you.[music]CreditsWhat Happened in Alabama is a production of American Public Media. It's written, produced, and hosted by me, Lee Hawkins.Our executive producer is Erica Kraus. Our senior producer is Kyana Moghadam. Our story editor is Martina Abrahams Ilunga. Our producers are Marcel Malekebu and Jessica Kariisa. This episode was sound designed and mixed by Marcel Malekebu. Our technical director is Derek Ramirez. Our soundtrack was composed by Ronen Landa. Our fact checker is Erika Janik.And Nick Ryan is our director of operations.Special thanks to the O'Brien Fellowship for Public Service Journalism at Marquette University; Dave Umhoefer, John Leuzzi, Andrew Amouzou, and Ziyang Fu; and also thank you to our producer in Alabama, Cody Short. The executives in charge at APM are Joanne Griffith and Chandra Kavati.You can follow us on our website, whathappenedinalabama.org or on Instagram at APM Studios.Thank you for listening.

What Happened In Alabama?
EP 2: Meet the Hawkins

What Happened In Alabama?

Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2024 38:21


Growing up in a middle-class suburb in the 1980s often felt idyllic to Lee. It was the age of crank calls and endless summers playing outside. The Hawkins kids were raised by their parents to excel in everything they put their minds to — and they did. They were model students at school and in their community. But at home, a pervading sense of fear and paranoia governed the household. In this episode, Lee sits down with his younger sister Tiffany to discuss the tensions at home. Later, he talks with psychotherapist and trauma expert Brandon Jones to uncover the roots of his parents' fears, and how it dates back to slavery and the Jim Crow era in the United States.RESOURCESPost Traumatic Slave Syndrome | Dr. Joy DeGruyTranscriptLee Hawkins (host): We wanted to give a heads up that this episode includes talk of abuse and acts of violence. You can find resources on our website, WhatHappenedInAlabama.org. Listener discretion is advised.Hi, this is Lee Hawkins, and we're about to dive into episode two of What Happened in Alabama. This one's about family and how policies impact parenting. There's a lot to get into. But you'll get a whole lot more if you go back and listen to the prologue – that'll give you some context for the series and this episode. Do that, and then join us back here. Thank you so much. [music starts]Family. There are so many variations of what this unit is. For me, it's mom, dad and my sisters. No matter what your family looks like – be it blood or chosen – there's a shared experience of people who know you inside and out, who've seen you grow. There's a common language for your memories, an ease when you're together.This journey I've been on to understand how I was raised and the histories behind who I am today starts with the people who know me best and have seen me at my highs and my lows. They bear witness to stories in the far reaches of my mind and fill in the gaps when my recollection isn't clear.Growing up in Maplewood, Minnesota, there are a lot of memories. Understanding myself means understanding my parents, my grandparents, and all the people who came before them. [musical intro]I'm Lee Hawkins, and this is What Happened In Alabama. Episode 2: Meet the Hawkins. [music starts]In many ways, I grew up in a picture-perfect American family: mom, dad, three kids. Me and my two sisters, Tammi and Tiffany. Tiffany: I would be outside from sunup to sundown playing with the neighbors. We'd always have a game of kickball or softball, fight over, you know, whose ball it was or if the person lost the game, they'd take the ball and want to go home or kick it over the neighbor's fence. I mean, we really had a great time with that aspect growing up. That's Tiffany. Looking back on our childhood with her brings back so many great memories. We were children and teenagers of the '80s, and that was an almost magical time to grow up in. Tiffany: You know, we'd go play in the woods or you know, ding dong ditch or, you know, the phone calls that we would make pranking people. I mean, these are things that could have –Lee: Oh the prank calls on the three-way? Oh man. Tiffany: Yeah, you know, I was really mad when they came out –Lee: That was some funny stuff though.Tiffany: That caller ID really messed us up, you know, caller ID ended all of that. [Lee laughs] Because we used to really get people in some binds there. I mean, if social media was out there, we coulda made tons of money off of those calls that we were genius –Lee: Oh man, we would be blowing up. [Tiffany laughs] We would be so rich if we were, if social media was out now, our show would be the bomb. Our prank call show. [Tiffany laughing] Oh my gosh. Tiffany: Yeah, it would've. It would've. Like I said, we had fun as kids. But there were some tense times, too. Mom and Dad were strict.Tiffany: You know, it's just like them coming home from work. Like, is, are all the chores done? Like, what kind of mood are they gonna be in? Like, are we gonna get yelled at or beat today, or you know, what's gonna happen? You never knew. You were constantly having to live with this, you know, fear. And you had no control over how, what was gonna happen. Lee: Right, and then our parents would come home, and they were like military inspectors, and they would go over – Mom would go over and make sure if there was a, you know, if there was a smudge on the mirror, then that meant you were gonna go – she was gonna come into your room, drag you out into the living room, and beat you down. And tell you, [yelling] “There was a smudge on the mirror!”Tiffany: [laughing] It's so crazy because, yeah.Lee: And we laugh now because there's that thin line between comedy and tragedy, right, that's what they say. And I think that now that we made it out – we made it out, Tiff. We made it. Tiffany: Yeah. But for the grace of God. Our parents raised us to be perfectionists. We were super high achieving kids. Both Tiff and I were elected class president, me four consecutive years, Tiff three consecutive years. She was the homecoming queen and a star athlete. And I was known more for my activism and was elected YMCA Youth Governor of the State of Minnesota. We had lots of friends and were often thought to be role models. But at home, we were sometimes seen as falling short, and the penalty for that was the belt, or verbal tirades from our disappointed parents.It's a hard thing to talk about, because I can't in good faith paint my parents as evil monsters who just wanted to abuse us, because they weren't. In fact, they didn't see it as abuse. And neither did we. We were a close family, and we loved our parents, and I know they loved us. Our parents were and are good people. They were active in the church, they were amazing neighbors, and they made a lot of sacrifices to raise us into the productive citizens we've become. That said, they, like a lot of our Black friends' parents, could be really mean. Over time, my research into the history of my family and my country, revealed an explanation for that.Before I go too deep into this, I should mention that Tiffany and I – and our family's experiences – don't represent that of the whole Black community. We're speaking about ourselves. The terror our family went through during enslavement and Jim Crow made our parents feel that they needed to be brutal with us. A few months ago, I sat down with Tiffany to talk more deeply about how we were raised trying to make sense of our parents' fear and trauma and how it impacted us. The focus on hard work, getting ahead and the American Dream – all things Mom and Dad thought would keep us safe. You'll also hear parts of my conversation with Brandon Jones, Executive Director of the Minnesota Association for Children's Mental Health. He helps us process how this tension between some Black parents and their children manifested as trauma in every generation going back to slavery. We had to follow the rules, and the penalty of not following those rules was almost always violence at home and social condemnation in the world outside. The interviews with Tiffany and Brandon helped me see it so much more clearly.Tiffany: You know, being the youngest comes with a lot, where I had siblings – and you and Tammi were, I think in that day and age, were quite a bit older than I was, but not really because, you know, five and seven years older. But we were, still had this closeness. Lee: And what do you remember about me? How was I as a kid? Tiffany: You were very animated. I remember that you were always very talented at everything you did. You could sing and dance, and you were always a leader, a leader of the pack. You were never, did the same as everyone else, and I thought that was a great thing. You also were mischievous, I think. [laughs] At times you could be: “Oh, Lee Lee.” “Oh, what's Lee Lee done now?” Lee: Right. 'Cause we called it “hyper.”Tiffany: He's always getting in trouble.Lee: On my way to prison. Tiffany: Yeah, well, yeah. [laughter]Lee: Or to get killed by the police. One of the two. ‘We better whoop his ass.'Tiffany: The paranoia. Yeah. Looking back, I now see we were under a lot of stress, even though we also had fun as kids. But the pressure to never make any mistakes – under the threat of the belt – was constantly weighing on us. The understanding was that if we messed up as kids – even buying a candy bar without getting a receipt – that would go on our records and could be brought back by white people, even years later, to destroy our futures and lives and careers as adults. So we avoided a lot of trouble. But when we did really well, especially against white kids, our mother sometimes seemed reluctant to celebrate with us. It was almost as if our success and our confidence and our belief in ourselves as Black kids sometimes frightened her. Lee: Did you feel supported when you were achieving all these things?Tiffany: No. You know, at times in, I had, you know, two different – and depending on which parent you were talking about, I mean, Dad supported us in everything. But there were still limits to that. I mean, I felt like they were glad to have something that was keeping me busy and out of trouble. But never really embraced the fact that that could have been something that I took a lot further. I'm not sure why Mom was like, you know, with pretty much anything that we did almost, as to keep us in our place in some way, she would also make it, always make it feel like, ‘Yeah, that's great and everything, but it's not really that important,' you know? ‘It doesn't mean anything.' Lee: And also, ‘Why do you think that you can be this or that?' ‘Why do you think –,' you know? Did you get that? I got that all the time, right in the midst of accomplishing things.Tiffany: Oh, I got that a lot. Or, ‘Why do you have to be –,' yeah, ‘Why do you have to be always doing stuff?' Like, ‘Can't you just be satisfied with this?' Like, ‘Everybody else isn't doing that.' That was another thing that drove me crazy, is hearing about what everybody else's kids were doing. And it was like, ‘Yeah, but I mean – and that's great and I'm glad that they are – but do you see what I'm doing? Everybody else's kids aren't doing this.'Lee: But that was when we would get beat. I remember a time Tiffany had a big track meet leading up to the state tournament. But it coincided with a family trip down south. When they picked me up on the way down, I asked Tiffany how her track season was going. When she told me she'd qualified for this meet, I was furious, because it was a huge opportunity. I didn't understand why my parents didn't let her go to the meet and join us on the trip later. But Tiffany and I knew not to push. Lee: You and I have talked about the play Fences – August Wilson's Fences – and Troy Maxson and how he despised his son coming home saying, “Dad, I got a football scholarship, and they're gonna pay the way. They need you to sign off for me to go to college for free,” and Troy Maxson said, “You're not going.” Because he was a major league, he was a Negro League baseball player, and his dreams got dashed and he really resented the opportunity and the freedom of that next generation. And I always look back, and I think back to how Mom used to tell us about Grandpa Buddy, which was so hard to hear, because Grandpa Buddy was so supportive of us, but she would say that Grandpa Buddy thought she should just get married and not go to college or anything. “You're just a woman, so just go get married. Why should I spend money on college?” And so it seems like in our bloodline – not on Dad's side of the family, but definitely on Mom's side of the family – every generation kind of resented sometimes the next generation's opportunities of, you know, that it was like, ‘Yes, I'm providing this for you, and we're going to make sure you have braces, and we're going to make sure that all of your needs are met. We're not gonna hug you. We're not gonna tell you we love you. We're not gonna baby you, we're gonna beat excellence into you. But then when you become excellent, we're also gonna resent you because we didn't have the same opportunity that you had.'Brandon: Well, we have a lot of old parenting techniques that were picked up and conditioned from slavery that have continued on. Doctor Joy DeGruy talks about this in her book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Brandon Jones is the executive director of the Minnesota Association for Children's Mental Health. He also consults for other organizations in developing culturally relevant and trauma-informed mental health services for children throughout the state. When I told him this story, he immediately recognized the connection to slavery and Jim Crow. Brandon: One of the things that really just blew my mind is the downplaying of achievement of our children in kind of – it's, it's in a, it's in a joking way, but it was a protective measure on the plantation where you would have Black parents, mostly mothers, who would downplay the achievements of their son or their daughter because they didn't want their child to be sold off or moved to another part of the plantation where they couldn't keep an eye on them or protect them. Lee: Right, they would have a talent for playing the violin or something, and the fear was that Massa's gonna sell him to be, and say, “Oh, this Negro plays the violin and he can work during the day,” and get a pretty penny for that person and then they'll be separated from the family. Brandon: Right. So there was a protective measure to keep kids close to their parents.Hearing that from Brandon actually made me feel a lot better, because when I was a kid, I just thought our mother hated us. But it's not that simple. Looking back, I now see she was under a lot of stress, working a full-time job as a nurse and a health coordinator at a major corporate assisted living center, raising us, taking care of our dad, and being the matriarch who made a lot of sacrifices for us. And quite often, she'd have chest pains, which is a telltale sign of a heart attack. And I'd say 90% of the time she complained of chest pains, it would be because we upset her; usually if we disagreed with her, were perceived as talking back, or even if we looked at her in a certain way she didn't like. That really scared us, but it horrified our dad. He would transform into an attack dog and just haul off and slap us, and then order us all to get into the car so we could take our mom to the emergency room. It got to the point where that scenario just kept playing out. Tiff and I couldn't tell if she was really having pains or if she was using it as a weapon of punishment. We were scared for our mom. And for ourselves.Tiffany: Yeah, I can laugh about it now, but it was actually terrifying as a kid because, you know, I can remember several times that she did this, but one in particular when she pulled that having chest pains thing. And maybe she was having chest pains, maybe that was a sign of her anxiety, but I also know that she knew how to use that to play that card with Dad. You know, the ambulance was called, it was all of this. And Dad looked me in the eye, and he said, “If anything happens to my wife, I'm gonna kill you.” And I believed that. I mean, he was so scared that something was gonna happen to her. And it scared me so much that I caught a cab from there and left, because I was afraid that something was gonna happen and Dad was gonna kill me. Lee: Other moms that we knew, if someone threatened their child, especially their husband, and said, “I'll kill you,” then they would say, “No, don't do that. Don't do that.” And a lot of black women that we know from the church would have said, “Uh uh, you're not gonna threaten my child's life.” [Tiffany laughing]Lee: But our mom was just like silent, like, and she would look at us like, ‘Yeah, see? He'll kill you for me. He'll kill you for me.'Tiffany: Yeah, it would give her fuel. And we didn't know enough then. And also I feel like we – they knew how to isolate us in that way. We were fearful of ever communicating what we were going through at home, because one of the reasons, I think we didn't even realize that this was not normal behavior because we knew, you know, other friends that would say that their parents spanked them. We thought we were getting spanked, you know? It wasn't until later we realized this was a lot more than getting spanked, I mean, ya know? And so then that's when I realized when I did start sharing with people and they would be looking at me like, ‘Are you crazy?' Like, ‘What are you talking about?' Like, ‘That's horrible.' Like, people would be affected. And I'm like, ‘Why are you so affected by that?' That's not a normal spanking. This is not normal behavior. But I didn't know that until after. We never could tell family business. You remember, we were always told that? “Don't tell family business.” [music starts]And of course, years later, my father opened up about how, when he'd beat us, he'd scream, “Don't ever disrespect your mother! I would give my life for five minutes with my mama!” And be beating us and going into a whole explanation of how sweet and kind his mother was. And the more he'd say, the harder he'd swing that belt. His mother died of a kidney infection when he was just 12 years old, and I think when she died, he never got over the pain and the guilt of feeling like he didn't protect his mother. So he wasn't going to let that happen again in his adult life. I guess he addressed that pain by protecting our mother from us. I wish my dad would've just talked about his grief and explained what it felt like to be in that helpless position and how much losing his mom affected him. Maybe if he did, life at home would've been more peaceful.Tiffany: I'm sure there were a lot of people that had no idea that this was going on in our household. Lee: Mom to this day to me has said, “We've never beat you with the belt. We never hit you with the belt. We only spanked you.”Tiffany: Yeah. Lee: And we were hit hundreds of times with the belt. Tiffany: Yeah.Lee: And to this day –Tiffany: With a belt, comb, shoes thrown at us. Lee: Slapped –Tiffany: I mean – Lee: Slapped across the face.Tiffany: Slapped. Tackled. Lee: Thrown down the stairs. Tiffany and I both got the belt. But we were also sometimes punished in different ways, depending on the parent, and depending on the moment. Tiffany: Through therapy, I realize some of the things, some of my paranoia, some of, you know, the anxiety that I have were triggered from situations that happened during my childhood. So like getting locked in a house that you couldn't leave, and if there was a fire, would have burned in. Not being able to access the phone if there was an emergency because it was blocked so that you couldn't make calls out. There could only be calls that were coming in. You know, being dragged out of bed in the middle of the night…[laughing] this is almost embarrassing to say – because someone ate the Breyers ice cream. I mean, like – Lee: But Tiffany, like, okay, so you said that it wasn't until you started talking about it with other people that you started to realize that this was not normal, right? But I remember when I was a kid, I think part of the reason I didn't completely implode at that time and it took like many, many years later for me to break down was because I thought, ‘Well, we're Black kids.' Mom and Dad programmed us, and I guess society programmed me – I don't want to speak for you – but it programmed me to believe, ‘This is what Black kids have to get. I'm a Black kid. And being Black, Black people –.' And mom would say, “This is a Black custom. We whip our kids. This is what Black people do.” And so I just believed that because I'm Black, I have to be beaten because this is our heritage and this is who we are. And Black kids are not allowed to have that level of freedom. [music starts]My parents were among the approximately 70% of Black parents who believe in hitting kids. Out of all the ethnic groups in America, Black households believe in it at the highest rates, and in the 17 states where corporal punishment is still legal in schools, Black children are hit more than children of any other race, and their parents are most likely to sign forms allowing teachers to strike their children. Once again, I'm not saying this is the case for all Black families, but in my home, and in the homes of many of the Black kids I grew up with, it was framed to us as being a Black custom. I asked Brandon Jones about this.Brandon: Unfortunately, due to our own historical trauma and our adaptation of intergenerational trauma that has become culture, spankings or whoopings have become primary. And what ends up happening is you have a lot of kids who are spanked or whooped as a first approach towards discipline without other methods of means happening. And you get a lot of shame as well that takes place when parents don't whoop or beat or use corporal punishment to their children. Other Black parents or family members will encourage you to do so or ask you, “Why are you not spanking your child?” Or, “Why are you talking to your child about what's going on? That child needs their butt whooped,” and things of that nature. Like these are very common conversations and interactions that happen within the Black community. In hindsight, a lot of the reasons for my whipping was because I was often asking questions. Yes, as a student leader, but especially as a Black kid. I wasn't afraid to speak out. I never felt like I couldn't compete, or any anxiety about being Black and having lots of friends of all races. And my parents would say, “Be careful at that school. Watch what you say, and don't get cocky with these white people.” And I feel like I got punished for not being afraid and staying in my place, for that unapologetic curiosity and confidence to ask questions and express opinions. And of course, I made it worse by becoming a journalist. I was in my thirties before I began to question the way we were raised. Until then, I think I too believed that Black kids needed to be treated this way, to keep them out of the criminal justice system or to be able to work in corporate America without being kept out because they stole a candy bar from Walgreens when they were nine. But Tiff was much smarter and braver than me. She knew it was wrong as a child. As a parent, she broke that cycle in our family and talked a lot about the need to focus on healing. Tiffany: A lot of people have been through different childhood traumas that are horrible, but it's what you do to try and reverse that. So I've spent most of my adult life, and I know you have too, trying to heal, you know, and sometimes it's exhausting going to a therapy session and coming home and all this stuff is drug up and, you know, you just feel defeated. But I also know that it has caused me to be a better mother. Because that was my biggest fear, is when I started having children, I did not want to repeat the cycle. So I haven't, I never spank my my children. And I try to, you know, talk to them about things. And I always want them to feel like they could come to me about different things. Now, there were times when I'll say, and they'll, they could tell you too, like I saw little Lee Roy or Roberta in me, you know, especially with, like, the explosive, you know, or yelling. And that would make me feel horrible, you know, some of the things, the verbal things that I've had to catch myself saying. But the difference between that is that, you know, once I was able to calm myself down and really critically think about what had just happened, I will always give someone an apology about my behavior and how that impacted them. It doesn't mean that it didn't affect the person, you know, because words hurt. But I have, you know, tried to live a life where I'm not continuing the cycle. And I just constantly working on it. You know, there's things that still trigger me. Lee: Right. And I remember when you and Tammi started having kids. That was when it triggered something in me that made me confront Mom and Dad. Because I was also afraid that they were gonna try to beat them, to beat my nieces and nephews. And I remember I was vicious, you know, I was, I had a vengeance in me and saying, ‘Don't you dare repeat that cycle another generation.'Tiffany: Mm hmm. As a journalist in 1999, around the time Tiffany and I started recognizing all this, that was when the first version of the Adverse Childhood Experiences Study came out, showing that traumatic childhood experiences can stalk people and increase the likelihood of mental illness, substance abuse, and chronic health problems. Subsequent updates to the research showed that childhood trauma can shorten life expectancy. That's when I started thinking consciously about how adults – of all races – have this responsibility to protect children. But that doesn't mean trying to beat safety into them. And yes, there are political, social, and economic realities that caused my parents to legitimately worry. But it's my hope that for new generations, we put down the belt and find a way to give a child a peaceful home without screaming, violence, and constant uncertainty about when the next outburst could happen. That said, this is a very complicated conversation to have, because despite it all, I wouldn't be the person I am today without my parents, my dad especially. And I'm talking about all the good things – his unwavering encouragement and belief in us, his omnipresence in our lives, and his undeniable devotion as a husband and a father. My sister Tiffany feels the same way too. Tiffany: I get people that tell me all the time about the way that Dad changed their life or how invested he was in them. And even just to, like, call them and say, “Hey, remember what we talked about, that thing you were going to do? Did you ever do it?” You know, he was always a great person for that. Lee: He was an incredible motivator. He was someone who wanted to see us go to the next level and far beyond what he could have ever dreamed. For our whole childhood, our dad's life before us was a mystery. We couldn't even ask about it. We just knew the basic facts. He was born in Alabama and moved to Minnesota after his mom died when he was 12 years old. But beyond that, any clues about his childhood would appear at the most unexpected times. Tiffany: I still have never seen a picture of him as a child. And any time I did try and bring things up, like, “What was your mom like or your dad like?,” we would either get told to be quiet, not by Dad, but by Mom, like, “Shhh, don't, we're not gonna talk about that. You know that it's really hard for your dad.” Sometimes having these kinds of conversations about the difficult things that have happened to us can feel like poking an old wound. But I believe that the wound needs to breathe before it can be healed. And that's really what this conversation with Tiff was. It was healing. As part of this project, I also talked with my mom. She sat down for an interview on the fourth anniversary of our dad's death. She answered some very hard questions about why she was so hard on us, and she cried, because it was a tender day. And I realize now it's not fair or true to make the blanket statement that our mom didn't support us. For example, she came out and did the interview – not because she was dying to do it, but because she did it to support me and this podcast.And the conversation with Brandon really helped me further process the reality that our mother was afraid that our success would make us targets for white racists. Yes, when we were younger, she pushed us to excel. But once we got older and got into the limelight in spaces where it mattered, it was frightening for her. Lee: What were your fears for me as a Black boy in Maplewood?Roberta: It was because of the, we just don't know how other people would accept you. And one of the things about it is that you were really outspoken and all that, but some, they hated, I mean some were haters. And we, and their parents too. But we were afraid for you, that something would happen. Because things have happened. That's the complexity of coming from a family like mine. Our mom may not have shown up in the way some people think a mother should. Still, I believe she did love us. She worked hard, sacrificed and gave us what we needed. And I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for my sisters. Tammi prefers her privacy, but she still came out with Mom and talked with us, for me. And Tiffany, too. This couldn't have been easy for my baby sister. She didn't show up because she wanted to be in a podcast talking about her life and her childhood pain. My mother showed up for her son, and both of my sisters showed up for their brother. For me. Lee: I love you so much, sis. Tiffany: Aww I love you, too.Lee: I want to thank you for the courage that you've exhibited in everything you've done to support me in this at times where I was so alone. Tiffany: Yeah. And I just want to say thank you for the opportunity, because this has been healing for me, and I know I've thought about you a lot, I've prayed for you. I can't imagine what it was like with all the research that you've gone through. Having to be there and go through and process all of the things while your regular life is going on and then in the midst of this, to lose our father. I think this is an important part of your legacy, and I think it is going to really change the way that people view things. But yeah, the time has come.[music starts]All of this encouragement, this support, that's what love looks like to me. And I'm so happy about that. During this whole process, I had so many family members who poured out a lot of memories and feelings, facing up to parts of their Black experience that they may not have ever discussed. Especially my dad. And all of that, really, was the starting place for all this. When I started working on this project, I knew I'd have to go back to where it all started with my dad in Alabama. But I had no idea even where to begin. So I started researching and asking questions, and pretty soon, I realized that this was so much bigger than him. It's not just his story, it's America's story.CreditsWhat Happened in Alabama is a production of American Public Media. It's written, produced, and hosted by me, Lee Hawkins.Our executive producer is Erica Kraus. Our senior producer is Kyana Moghadam. Our story editor is Martina Abrahams Ilunga. Our producers are Marcel Malekebu and Jessica Kariisa. This episode was sound designed and mixed by Marcel Malekebu. Our technical director is Derek Ramirez. Our soundtrack was composed by Ronen Landa. Our fact checker is Erika Janik.And Nick Ryan is our director of operations.Special thanks to the O'Brien Fellowship for Public Service Journalism at Marquette University; Dave Umhoefer, John Leuzzi, Andrew Amouzou, and Ziyang Fu; and also thank you to our producer in Alabama, Cody Short. The executives in charge at APM are Joanne Griffith and Chandra Kavati.You can follow us on our website, whathappenedinalabama.org or on Instagram at APM Studios.Thank you for listening. Next time on What Happened in Alabama. He died tellin' them to take care of me, that's what happened there. There's a reason why you're killing each other. There's a reason why, you know, you don't have land. There's a reason why, you know, they've criminalized your body and put you in prison for free labor.

Counterweight
The Legacies of Black Pioneers: Daniel Brown

Counterweight

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2024 61:55


Welcome to our the new monthly series of the Dissidents Podcast on the legacies of black pioneers, brought to you by the Black Institute of Liberal Values (a joint project of ⁠Free Black Thought⁠ and the Institute for Liberal Values). In this episode, Winkfield Twyman, Jr & Jennifer Richmond, speak with Mark Brown on his common cousin with Wink, Daniel Brown. According to Wink, who writes of Daniel often in his book with Jen, Letters in Black and White, Daniel was a “founding father” for his family. Mark, Wink and Jen talk about the relevance of genealogy for seeing each other as “Old Americans”, the role of faith in this mission, the possibility of “Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome”, and the curative effects of narrative therapy and writing for coming together across the color line. Follow us on Circle for more resources and materials on black pioneers in American history. Circle Institute for Liberal Values Podcast Resources: Letters in Black and White: A New Correspondence on Race in America, Jennifer Richmond & Winkfield Twyman, Jr. Find out more about the book on Truth in Between The Dead Hand of Daniel Brown, Jennifer Richmond & Winkfield Twyman, Jr. On the Road to Oak Lawn, Winkfield Twyman, Jr. Greatness as Character, Winkfield Twyman, Jr. A Race Story, Winkfield Twyman, Jr. Find other resources, including Wink's Pioneering Black Lawyers, on the Black Institute for Liberal Values on Circle. ⁠Circle⁠

First Things First With Dominique DiPrima
Overcoming Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome w/Dr. Joy DeGruy

First Things First With Dominique DiPrima

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2023 45:26


Dr. Joy Angela DeGruy holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Communication, a Master's degree in Social Work (MSW), a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology, and a PhD in Social Work Research. Dr. DeGruy is a nationally and internationally renowned researcher and educator. Dr. DeGruy has published numerous refereed journal articles and book chapters and authored her seminal book entitled “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury & Healing”. www.bethehealing.org

Bringing books to LIFE with BlisB
What is P.T.S.S.? (Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome) and how the Global Black community can heal

Bringing books to LIFE with BlisB

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2023 81:13


A recap and review of a panel discussion on PTSS as defined by the scholarly work of Dr. Joy Degruy. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/blisb/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/blisb/support

Ujamaa Place: A Black Man's Sketch
S3, E4: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

Ujamaa Place: A Black Man's Sketch

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2023 27:30


Ujamaa Men Bryant, Antino, Kylan, Wes and Maurice deconstruct post traumatic slave syndrome and discuss ways to move beyond it.    Listen to A Black Man's Sketch everywhere you listen to podcasts.  Learn more about Ujamaa Place at: https://ujamaaplace.org/.  

Mz.Kiki Kamau- My First Amendment
PTSD is our History

Mz.Kiki Kamau- My First Amendment

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2023 66:34


Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) has perhaps existed as long as mankind has experienced trauma. It was finally recognized as a diagnosable condition in 1980 when the American Psychological Association included it in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for mental health practitioners. Historical Trauma is an example of intergenerational trauma. It's caused by events that target a group of people. Thus, even family members who have not directly experienced the trauma can feel the effects of the event generations later. • Dr. Maria Yellow Horse Brave Heart, Ph.D., conceptualized historical trauma in the 1980s, as a way to develop a stronger understanding of why life for many Native Americans is not fulfilling "the American Dream". Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome is a condition that exists as a consequence of centuries of chattel slavery followed by institutionalized racism and oppression that have resulted in multigenerational adaptive behavior, some positive reflecting resilience, and others that are harmful and destructive. The theory of P.T.S.S. was developed by Dr. Joy DeGruy as a result of twelve years of quantitative and qualitative research. this information can be found at https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/equity/projects/infantmortality/session2.2.pdf Now you know why I titled the show! HANDLES: *********************************************************** Instagram: Ole School- oleschoolpoet Facebook: Ole School- oleschoolpoetkamau *********************************************************** Instagram Business: Kamauempirecpr Instagram artist: Mzkikikamaupoetry Facebook Business: Orkiya Kamau Youtube Business: Kamau Empire C&PR Youtube artist: Mz.Kiki Kamau ********************************************************* New and final episode January 23, 2023 (Doing your shadow work, won't hurt) Until next time Fly High Spirits. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/myfirstamendmentpodcast/message

Black Excellence
Black is the blueprint and more

Black Excellence

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2022 40:32


This episode delves into black people being the first ones on Earth, black women have the eve gene and much more important topics. But here is the article and, also this YouTube video of Dr.Joy DeGruy talking about Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome that I wanted y'all to look at on your own time whenever. But here is the article- https://shadesofnoir.org.uk/the-eve-gene/This is where you can watch the video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGjSday7f_8

Imperfectly Beautiful
Exploring Different Forms of Therapy: DMT

Imperfectly Beautiful

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2022 47:02


In this episode, I discuss Dance Movement Therapy (DMT) with therapist, Bria Campbell. A Chicago native, Bria Campbell is an alumna of the illustrious North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University receiving her BA in Psychology in 2016. After receiving her MA in Dance/Movement Therapy and Counseling from Columbia College Chicago, Bria has worked in school-based mental health, private practice, and crisis work with adults in Atlanta, GA where she later became a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) and Register Dance/Movement Therapist. In 2019, Bria published an article in the American Dance Therapy Journal (ADJT) entitled “Past, Present, Future: A Program Development Exploring Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS) Using Experiential Education and Dance/Movement Therapy Approaches,” which integrated dance/movement therapy concepts and Dr. Joy DeGruy's Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome theory in her work with adolescents in Chicago's Roseland neighborhood. This article received the 2020 Marian Chace Foundation's Journalism Prize. Bria has facilitated several workshops and trainings on PTSS, attunement through movement, and the ARC Model, an approach to increase awareness of trauma-informed care in a school-based setting. In 2020, Bria co-founded and co-leads the African American/black affinity group in the American Dance/Movement Therapy Association's (ADTA), Black MAGIC. Her leadership was recognized by the ADTA where she was awarded the 2021 Leader of Tomorrow Award. Bria also was recently elected as the first African American Central Member at Large (MAL) on the ADTA Board of Directors. She also served as the 2020-2021 Eastern Nominating Committee and Vice President of the Southern Chapter of the ADTA. Bria continues to provide school-based services in Atlanta Public Schools over the past four years. Currently, Bria is creating a holistic mental health brand entitled S.P.E.A.K: Supporting People Emotionally and Kinesthetically LLC. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/imperfectlybeautiful1/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/imperfectlybeautiful1/support

The Forefront Radio
Mental, Spiritual Impact of Oppression!

The Forefront Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 2, 2022 63:06


In this discussion, the Forefront Radio joins Jen of "Woke By Accident Podcast" to discuss the book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. We discuss the impact of enslavement on the lost tribes and how these generational traumas mimic PTSD, Stockholm Syndrome, and other negative hindrances to productivity in the Israelites/African diaspora. We appreciate the author of this book in providing a way to evaluate how we are effected by generational trauma and finding solutions in the Bible. Listen to this groundbreaking episode that matches the bible with current history. Contribute to this great show! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/support

Melanated Intellects
S3:E4 Book Discussion: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Part 3

Melanated Intellects

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2022 81:30


TRIGGER WARNING: This book was on our summer reading list, and we couldn't wait to share our thoughts with our Intellects community. Make sure you check out Part 2 of this 3-part series because we laid the groundwork for the discussion that happens in this episode. In part 3, we discuss vacant esteem, black stereotypes and racist socialization, and a way forward for healing the trauma. We unpack so much in this episode, make sure you check out all parts of this series. Check it out and let us know what you think by filling our new survey! Anonymous Feedback Survey (take as often as you would like): https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/S2LQKHP Book: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome written by Dr. Joy DeGruy (copyright 2005) Work With Shayla: Saturday Sessions With Shayla https://sites.google.com/view/onewithonejourney/ways-to-work-with-us?authuser=5

Melanated Intellects
S3:E3 Book Discussion: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Part 2

Melanated Intellects

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2022 60:24


TRIGGER WARNING: This book was on our summer reading list, and we couldn't wait to share our thoughts with our Intellects community. Make sure you check out Part 1 of this 3-part series because we laid the groundwork for the discussion that happens in this episode. We discuss details about what made American chattel slavery so unique, multigenerational trauma, and the “science” behind racism. We unpack so much in this episode, but we are just getting started/ Make sure you tune in to part 3 of this discussion as well. Click on this episode and let us know what you think by filling our new survey! Anonymous Feedback Survey (take as often as you would like): https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/S2LQKHP Book: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome written by Dr. Joy DeGruy (copyright 2005) Sources Referenced In This Episode: Black Women health care article: https://blog.dol.gov/2022/02/07/for-black-women-implicit-racial-bias-in-medicine-may-have-far-reaching-effects Work With Shayla: Saturday Sessions With Shayla https://sites.google.com/view/onewithonejourney/ways-to-work-with-us?authuser=5

The Forefront Radio
The Descendants of Enslavement are Traumatized

The Forefront Radio

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2022 63:06


What implications can we find in the behavioral traits of people that have endured centuries of slavery, colonization, mass incarceration and oppression? What solutions can alleviate these heavy burdens of the mind? Listen to this great discussion. The Forefront Radio joins Jen of Woke By Accident Podcast to discuss the impact that slavery had on the psyche of many so-called blacks in the Diaspora. We review the book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Dr. Joy Degruy www.anchor.fm/theforefront Please contribute https://www.paypal.me/aphiellevi --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/support

Melanated Intellects
S3: E2 Book Discussion: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Part 1

Melanated Intellects

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2022 60:46


TRIGGER WARNING: This book was on our summer reading list, and we couldn't wait to share our thoughts with our Intellects community. It was a fascinating read. Dr. Joy DeGruy defines Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome or PTSS as a condition that exists when a population has experienced multigenerational trauma resulting from centuries of slavery and continues to experience oppression and institutionalized racism today. Added to this condition is a belief that the benefits of the society in which they live are not accessible to them. In this episode, we walk our listeners through the first few sections of the book discussing everything from how our history impacts our children in the classroom to why relationships are so important within the African American community. We unpack so much in this episode, but we are just getting started/ Make sure you tune in to part 2 & 3 of this discussion as well. Click on this episode and let us know what you think by filling our new survey! Anonymous Feedback Survey (take as often as you would like): https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/S2LQKHP Book: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome written by Dr. Joy DeGruy (copyright 2005) Work With Shayla: Saturday Sessions With Shayla https://sites.google.com/view/onewithonejourney/ways-to-work-with-us?authuser=5

Woke By Accident Podcast
Woke By Accident Podcast Ep. 118, Guest-The Forefront Radio - Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Book Review

Woke By Accident Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2022 77:21


On this episode of Woke By Accident Podcast we are joined by Levi, host of The Forefront Radio. We have a book discussion on the thought-provoking book by Dr. Joy DeGruy, Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome originally published in 2005.  You can listen to The Forefront Radio here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...   Check out Woke By Accident at www.wokebyaccident.net or on your favorite streaming platforms!   Sponsor Get your pack of @Poddecks now for your next podcast interview using my special link: https://www.poddecks.com?sca_ref=1435240.q14fIixEGL   Music Soul Searching · Causmic Last Night's Dream — Tryezz

Real Black Consciousnesses Forum
Bobby Hemmitt Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

Real Black Consciousnesses Forum

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 18, 2022 211:32


Bobby Hemmitt is famend for his Esoteric Desires and The Underworld recordings. His contemplations have been adored by an enormous gathering of people and have been dedicated to his statements. His talks and addresses have been constantly spot on for the people who thought-about new concepts. His illustrations have been really practical. A large number of his audience members portray Bobby as a proud, profound, and rational speaker. He has never neglected to surprise any of his audience members. He unravels the secrets encoded in the “secret framework” and reestablishes the universe to “Dark” life. A great deal of his talks last somewhere in the range of 2 and 10 hours. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/realblackforum/message

Ain't Gonna Be No Stupid
Episode 407: "Ain't No Stupid Students, Only Stupid Teachers" [Part 2] with Christine Barboza

Ain't Gonna Be No Stupid

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2022 23:36


30: Dante Stewart - Shouting it the Fire book “Let's be clear. There's a vast difference between diversity and inclusion and liberation and justice. One enjoys the feeling of my presence. The other embraces the fullness of my humanity” 2:26 Colonization Approach - Ask vs. lecture 4:34 Teacher evaluation blunders 4:48 Alternative Methods-Grading for Equity 5:11 Embrace the Change-But Give It Time 5:43 California Initiatives-Some change types: Policy Changes | New Admin's Philosophy 6:44 Block Scheduling 8:08 The Classroom in the heart of the school-why are you breaking it? 9:09 So quick to get out of touch with the classroom when you aren't in it. 10:06 Sage on the Stage vs. Student Centered Approach 10:47 Education isn't about just making money-it's about being a contributing member of society. 11:29Addressing Implicit Biases/Social Cognition 12:29 Challenge Stereotypes-Don't subscribe to common thought. 13:00 Develop Empathy - SUPPORT THEM. ASK QUESTIONS. Imagine yourself in their shoes 14:44 Landline story from classroom to classroom-VCRS 15:05 Embrace Differences - We spend so much time with our own “kind”. Experience diversity instead. Nicole Mirra Teaching for Empathy - Activity for Embracing our Differences 16:07 Grapple with the work you are assigning your students. 16:30 Intersectionality California Black School Educator Association Dr Marks Acknowledging and Managing Implicit Bias 17:41 Learn about Your Students: 17:47 Language, Gender and Culture Unit - Code Switching 20:30 Speaking with an Accent is a superpower because you speak more than one language. 20:41 Advocacy 21:30 Be Anti-Racist Podcast 21:31 Book Recommendations: Culturally Responsive Teaching & The Brain, Legend of Bass Reeves, Black Enough, Harriet Tubman: Conductor on the Underground Railroad, The Watsons God to Birmingham, Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome, How to Raise an Anti-Racist, Solo, When I Was a Slave, Piecing Me Together, Great Speeches by African Americans, The Silence of Our Friends. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/aintgonnabenostupid/support

No Crystal Stair Podcast
Squeeze the paint. Pick up the brush. Swipe. Repeat.

No Crystal Stair Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2022 62:35


In this final conversation of No Crystal Stair Podcast's first season, Habeebah sits down with Lawna Gamble, founder of Willow Cove Art & Wellness Boutique, as she shares her pathway to self-healing and self-acceptance after experiencing debilitating mental and physical health challenges. Lawna describes the ways her son has been a source of wisdom, encouragement and inspiration throughout their relationship, particularly as she does the work to live more fully in her purpose while reclaiming and redefining her professional identity. Throughout this episode, Lawna and Habeebah talk about the harmful impact of transgenerational and racial trauma on Black women and our sons, and the importance of acknowledging and healing from the toxic effects. Learn more about transgenerational and racial trauma by reading Dr. Kenneth Hardy's article, "Healing the Hidden Wounds of Racial Trauma," or engaging with the work of Resmaa Menakem, author of My Grandmother's Hands, or Joy DeGruy, author of Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.  In service to our collective healing, also check out All About Love by bell hooks.

The SonRise Project
Healing from Trauma in Families

The SonRise Project

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2022 55:07


The SonRise Project creator Kelli Richardson Lawson introduces therapist Dr. Julie Lopez. She is a speaker, clinician and the founder ofViva Partnership, a multi-cultural marketing company. She is also the author of a book on implicit memory, entitled:Live Empowered: Rewire your Brains Implicit Memory to Thrive in Business, Love and Life. In this episode, Dr. Lopez discusses how to help ourselves and our families heal from the effects of PTSD and trauma. Not just on the individual level but also on the collective. She also references Dr. Joy DeGruw's ground-breaking work on the condition known as “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome” which is defined as the inherited legacy of genocide, trauma and familial displacement handed down generation after generation. She says the legacy of slavery can be felt in one's everyday life, but in an unconscious way. Dr. Lopez urges listeners to look back at their family histories and the lives of their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. Dr. Lopez discusses what to look for and what one can do to heal.

The Behavioral Corner
It's Always Personal in Philadelphia | Paul Brown

The Behavioral Corner

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 26, 2022 34:50 Transcription Available


There's no telling what might come up at Paul Brown's barbershop. Paul, host of the podcast “It's Always Personal in Philadelphia,” the topics range from sports, and the weather to PTSS, as in “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome.” We're at the barbershop this time on the BehavioralCorner.---------------------------The Behavioral Corner Podcast is made possible by Retreat Behavioral Health. Learn more - https://www.retreatbehavioralhealth.com

The SonRise Project
Intergenerational Trauma: Is it in Our DNA?

The SonRise Project

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2022 38:54


The SonRise Project creator Kelli Richardson Lawson introduces veteran speaker Sharon Green. Sharon is a life coach, founder of BloomTree Coaching and Consulting Services and is a mother of three young men. In this episode, Sharon discusses the legacy of intergenerational trauma in the Black community. She refers to Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, a condition that is a consequence of multigenerational oppression of Africans and their descendants resulting from centuries of slavery. Sharon talks about how parents can identify the trauma and where to find help to heal its effects within their own families. She encourages listeners to seek guidance from therapists, psychiatrists and elders in the community. She believes educating oneself about the issues also helps dispel guilt and shame. She says parents have a responsibility to do their homework and understand how systemic racism has affected the mental health not only of their children, but also themselves.

Your Ni Dom
The Parent and the Child

Your Ni Dom

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 29, 2022 62:25


Part II of "Being Orphaned". In this reflection I consider the relationship between healing, forgiveness, acceptance and ownership. Supporting themes: Abuse; Power; Child Psychology; Parenting: Family Systems Theory; Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome; and Emotional Availability. Text referenced: "Mothers Who Can't Love: A Healing Guide for Daughters" by Dr. Susan Forward. Typology: INTJ8 and the 853 Enneagram Tritype.

SoundOff Queen
Heal Sis, This AIN'T Normal...

SoundOff Queen

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2022 67:29


Things have been really heavy the last few weeks.... nah... it's more like the last 3 years to be exact. Let's be real, this pandemic life has definitely complicated a few things. Tune in as the ladies have a candid conversation about the importance of healing from traumatic events with Tina Rutherford who is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and owner of t.ruth & muse and therapy werks, LLC. Tune in NOW... you do not want to miss out on this episode filled with hope and healing. Tina's Bio Tina is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Change Agent with a passion for mental health and community outreach. In her therapy practice, she provides culturally responsive care to adults ages 18 to 99+. Tina's therapeutic approach includes person-centered, psychodynamic, strengths-based and trauma-informed methods. She recognizes the importance of the therapeutic relationship and inviting full “humanness”, in her work; and the freedom to speak the unspeakable without judgment. She invites curiosity as a lens to journey through life's most joyful and painful parts. Tina also acknowledges the socio-cultural and political impacts on one's overall mental, emotional, and physical well-being and incorporates a close examination of micro, mezzo and macro-level factors. Tina grew up in the DMV, obtaining a Bachelor's Degree in Sociology from Bowie State University in 2005, and her Master's Degree in Social Work from Washington University in St. Louis in 2007. Tina has received post-graduate training at the Washington School of Psychiatry (WSP) and is an active committee member with the school's Center for the Study of Race Ethnicity and Culture (CSREC). Her clinical experience has allowed her to work in a variety of settings, including intensive outpatient (IOP), non-profit/community-based organizations with children and families, the public school system, therapeutic group homes for adolescents, as well as 6 years with a group therapy practice in Capitol Hill, Washington, DC working with a diverse client base. Following the 2020 pandemic Tina expanded her work to include both her solo teletherapy practice therapyWerks LLC and t.ruth & muse LLC., a creative consulting company focused on wellness, content creation and capacity building. Tina believes in creating healing spaces both within and beyond the therapy session. She also believes that individual healing becomes collective healing. Social Media https://www.instagram.com/howtherapywerks/ https://www.instagram.com/soundoffqueen/ Resources: The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1 (800) 273-8255 (TALK) Dr. Joy DeGruy author of Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing: https://www.bethehealing.com/ PTSD Awareness: https://www.apa.org/topics/ptsd/ptsd-awareness Therapy Resources: Therapy for Black Girls: https://therapyforblackgirls.com/about/ Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us Boris Lawrence Henson Foundation: https://borislhensonfoundation.org/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/soundoffqueen/message

The Forefront Radio
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Discussion Part 2

The Forefront Radio

Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2022 77:29


Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing is a 2005 theoretical work by Dr. Joy Degruy Leary. The book argues that the experience of slavery in the United States and the continued discrimination and oppression endured by African Americans creates intergenerational psychological trauma, leading to a psychological and behavioral syndrome common among present-day African Americans, manifesting as a lack of self-esteem, persistent feelings of anger, and internalized racist beliefs. The book was first published by Uptone Press in Milwaukie, Oregon in 2005, with a later re-release by the author in 2017. This is part 2 of the discussion on Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome with Dr. Joy Degruy. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/support

The Forefront Radio
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Discussion Pt. 1

The Forefront Radio

Play Episode Listen Later May 6, 2022 83:54


Joined up on a discussion on PTSS with Dr. Joy Degruy on Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome and its implications for our Diaspora. In the 16th century, the beginning of African enslavement in the Americas until the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment and emancipation in 1865, Africans were hunted like animals, captured, sold, tortured, and raped. They experienced the worst kind of physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual abuse. Given such history, isn't it likely that many of the enslaved were severely traumatized? And did the trauma and the effects of such horrific abuse end with the abolition of slavery? Emancipation was followed by one hundred more years of institutionalized subjugation through the enactment of Black Codes and Jim Crow laws, peonage, convict leasing, domestic terrorism and lynching. Today the violations continue, and when combined with the crimes of the past, they result in yet unmeasured injury. What do repeated traumas, endured generation after generation by a people produce? What impact have these ordeals had on African Americans today? Dr. Joy DeGruy, answers these questions and more. With over thirty years of practical experience as a professional in the mental health field, Dr. DeGruy encourages African Americans to view their attitudes, assumptions, and behaviors through the lens of history and so gain a greater understanding of how centuries of slavery and oppression have impacted people of African descent in America. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome helps to lay the necessary foundation to ensure the well-being and sustained health of future generations and provides a rare glimpse into the evolution of society's beliefs, feelings, attitudes and behavior concerning race in America. Find her book here. https://www.amazon.com/Post-Traumatic-Slave-Syndrome-Americas/dp/0985217278 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/theforefront/support

Salt Pepper Ketchup The Podcast

Trigger Warning for this episode Angel and Zoha discuss PTSD.Mambo Sauce : Dr. Elizabeth JoyResources : SAMSHA Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome Grown Azz Women ShytJoin us on Tiktok, Instagram & FacebookSend your topics, questions & requests to saltpepperketchuppodcast@gmail.comSupport the show (https://cash.app/$zoha1977)

Please Say Black
“My head hurt, my bra too tight. My booty shaking to the Left and the Right” with Nandi Kayyy

Please Say Black

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2022 69:57


Celebrated Queer Artist, Techie, and Anti-racism Educator, Nandi Kayy joins me for the latest episode of Please Say Black. During this episode, Nandi and I inspire to celebrate and amplify Twerk Culture as an antidote to Respectability Politics. Nandi complicates our current interpretations of Black solidarity as they offer insights into labor and sex work. Together, we acknowledge the significance of embodying Queer politics. During this episode, Nandi mentions Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Nandi is a recording artist whose latest album Riot is currently streaming and also the host of the Black Friends Dinner podcast. You can follow them on Twitter and Instagram.  “Once you really know yourself, can't nobody tell you nothing about you.” – Megan Thee Stallion

Give Me 5 Minutes
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, Banning Drill Music (ft. AB Lawrence) 3/3

Give Me 5 Minutes

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2022 47:56


Scarz & Eli are joined by rapper/producer AB Lawrence. Discussing a very sensitive topic 'Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome' what does the term mean and how it effects us in society. Also they ask should drill music be banned following the recent talks in New York about banning the genre.Follow Us on Instagram - @GM5MPodcastTo Listen & Subscribe to the Podcast on any platform - https://linktr.ee/GM5M 

Crazy and The King Podcast
Missing the Crazy....

Crazy and The King Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 10, 2022 50:19


Episode is missing the fearless leader - wishing Julie safe travels. The King discusses news of the week, other news of the week and a riveting conversation between John Graham, author of Plantation Theory and Dr. Joy Degruy, author of Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (revised in 2017). The big question within — are you gouging or shaping internal culture? Have a listen.  

His and Hers Podcast
Episode 3: No Hateration, Holleration ft. Qadry harris

His and Hers Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2022 55:46


Vante and Ugo are back with another episode! Black History Month may *technically* be over but every month is BHM ✊

Look On The Bright Side
74: Do Black Women Have Post Traumatic Slave Disorder? ft Dr Tasha Brown

Look On The Bright Side

Play Episode Play 60 sec Highlight Listen Later Feb 28, 2022 81:05


"Black millennials are one of the first generations to push beyond [the] wealth gap to find financial success, '' writes Rianka R. Dorsainvil for a recent Op-Ed for CNBC. Black culture praises wealth, so I want to put another form of wealth on your radar.Let's talk about Generational Emotional Health and healing from the impact of racial trauma so that we can support our children. Raising children who can identify feelings, regulate emotions, and thrive in their unique personalities is critical in taking our community to the next level.  I'm introducing you to Child Psychologist and Podcast Host Dr. Tasha Brown in this episode. In this intimate conversation, we discuss The Impact of Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome and its effect on parenting.Episode Highlights[00:12:24] Get to know Dr. Tasha Brown and learn how this Bronx native knew that she wanted to help children from a very early age.  [00:23:28] How Dr. Tasha and I connected and my personal experience with virtual learning, parenting, and ADHD [00:27:45] The stigma of Black Mental Health and why it's so difficult to talk about mental health is our community[00:32:29] Mistrust and the Medical community - Dr. Tasha and I discuss the elephant in the room and the barriers to acknowledging and obtaining mental health services.[00:46:01] The need for mental health experts in today's climate is robust. How can black patients work with mental health professionals who can't relate to your shared experience? [00:47:03]What is Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome, and how does it impact the way we parent? [00:54:03]What do parents misunderstand about children's mental health and what can parents do to show up differently? [00:56:48] Teaching children about feelings and generational emotional wealth. [01:09:51] Important resources to help parents and caregivers manage their emotions and support their child(rens) mental health and Dr. Tasha's podcast[01:16:59] Work with Dr. Tasha in one of her upcoming Parenting Workshops (March 28, 2022)Resources Mentioned: Show Notes (here)Get to know Dr. Tasha Brown Website | Instagram  | Podcast | FacebookSupport for the Look On The Bright Side Podcast comes from: MamaRiseUp:  Visit MamaRiseUpShop.com and save 20% on your entire order  with code BrightSide20Jessie Monroe Nail Care:  Visit JessieMonroeNailCare.com and save 20% on your entire order (excluding bundles) with code BrightSide20Grab A Free Audiobook: Free 30-Day Trial On Audible Disclaimer: this post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase I may receive a commission at no extra cost to  you. Connect With Me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | My PatreonSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/JenellBStewart)

Flip Your Lid with Kim Honeycutt
Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs: More Than A Fraction

Flip Your Lid with Kim Honeycutt

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2022 52:38


Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs provides us with intriguing information and insight about More Than a Fraction: From Separation to Reunification. Her research and presentations about Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome and generational trauma. As Founder and Executive Director of the More Than A Fraction Foundation, Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs continues an almost 20-year career in education. This includes work in postsecondary (higher education) policy, regulation, and administration, as well as experiential learning, educational presentation and exposure, and historical research. Along with her extensive work with prestigious projects, she is a research author of a creative non-fiction book “More Than a Fraction: Based on a True Story” and is one of the voices in the history of Africans in America/African Americans of Virginia, the Southeast region, and beyond. Current major projects under the More Than A Fraction Foundation includes work with Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, the Virginia Governor's Executive Mansion descendants committee, and a case study on the feasibility of reconciliation for the unfinished business of American slavery.  Dr. Moseley-Hobbs holds a doctorate degree in Educational Leadership and three degrees from the University of Maryland: a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice, a master's degree in Interdisciplinary Management, and a master's degree in Business Administration (MBA). She is a descendant of John Fraction, and his son Thomas Fraction - the subject of her first Creative Nonfiction book “More Than A Fraction: Based on A True Story”. Connect with Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs: http://www.morethanafraction.org (www.morethanafraction.org)  

Black Power Moves
Providing the DEI Blueprint with Dr. Sam Rae, EdD., Chief Executive Officer of DSRD Consulting

Black Power Moves

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 8, 2022 38:06


In this episode of Black Power Moves, part of the Ebony Covering Black America Podcast Network, we're speaking to Dr. Sam Rae, Chief Executive Officer of DSRD Consulting. Dr. Sam is a Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI) strategist with 12+ years of professional and educational experience in various industries, including Biomedical Science & Research, and Public Health Education. As a Black woman from the Caribbean with intersecting identities, she has first-hand experience adapting to different environments. She enjoys actively creating spaces where people feel comfortable showing up as their authentic selves.  ​ In her most recent full-time position, she led the development of the DEI Strategy for Goodwill Industries International and supported over 156 Retail Goodwill stores across North America. Before that, Dr. Sam served as the Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion Principal Strategist for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). In her role as Principal Strategist, she managed the Black Employee Portfolio during the global crisis of the COVID-19 pandemic. She has also worked as a consultant to develop Save the Children's first-ever 3-year DEI Strategy in 2019. ​ Dr. Sam received her certificate in Diversity & Inclusion from Cornell University. She also has a BS in Biology and an MS in Public Health. Dr. Sam graduated as the youngest graduate from the Educational Leadership Doctoral Program at UNE, where she received her doctorate in Education. Her research focused on the effects of racial microaggressions on Black female government workers' work performance and methods to reduce microaggressions in the workplace. She also talks about Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, intersectionality, and unconscious bias in her research. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stop Playing Diversity with Dr. Monica Cox

This episode presents extends ideas of cognitive dissonance presented in Dr. Joy's McGruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Focus on ways to align the diversity words you say with the diversity work you do. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Nah, But FOR REAL
The Real Deal on PTSS

Nah, But FOR REAL

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2021 30:36


Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome is very REAL and affects our community every second. It's time we have a family sit down about how to HEAL and overcome the generational trauma. 

The MelaNation Healing Project
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome & Our Cultural Trauma

The MelaNation Healing Project

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2021 63:15


Join us as we speak with our guest, published author and founder of the Melanation Healing Project, Thasia Awad. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Goin Straight In
Mental Health

Goin Straight In

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2021 63:02


We are back!! New name same great show! We start off the new season introducing two new segments, “Dear White People.” and “What the Hell Happened in America this Week?” [0:45-13:50]The main topic for this week: Mental Health in Black America[13:50]We start our mental health discuss on how athletes' mental health issues are treated differently in America, and how athletes are expected to play/perform while dealing with mental health issues. Why isn't mental health discuss more in Black America? [21:00] We discuss Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome [24:00] Kiara shares her personal mental health issues and how she is dealing with them and why she was afraid to share her illness with others. [25:45] Suicide rates for young Black Americans [32:00] Women dealing with Postpartum Depression. [39:00] Why are Blacks anti-doctor? [46:00]Resources discuss on this episode:https://therapyforblackgirls.comhttps://inceptionep.comFollow us on Instagram@GoinstraightinpodcastRodney- @thebowtieteacherKiara- @kiaradcoleman

The Laverne Cox Show
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome w/ Dr. Joy DeGruy

The Laverne Cox Show

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 5, 2021 61:15


We get way more from our ancestors than our height, nose or personality. We absorb life lessons that have been passed down from generation to generation. But what if those life lessons were first learned while trying to survive slavery? What if those skills are now more harmful than helpful and we don't even know what we're doing? Psychologist, social worker, researcher and teacher Dr. Joy DeGruy explains how descendants of slaves are more connected to their ancestors than they realize. But simple awareness can heal. //  Please rate, review, subscribe and share The Laverne Cox Show with everyone you know. You can find Laverne on Instagram and Twitter @LaverneCox and on Facebook at @LaverneCoxForReal. //  As always, stay in the love. //  References: Dr. Joy DeGruy 10-Week Course: (https://www.joydegruy.com/online-course) Georgia Daycare Accused of Racism After 'Making Black Kids Wait to Eat' (https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-daycare-accused-racism-after-making-black-kids-wait-eat-1583051) San Francisco Supervisor Trolls ‘Karens' Who Call Cops on People of Color for No Reason With ‘CAREN Act' (https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-francisco-supervisor-trolls-karens-who-call-police-on-people-of-color-for-no-reason-with-caren-act) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Perfectly Imperfect
Summer Book Club: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (Finale)

Perfectly Imperfect

Play Episode Listen Later May 25, 2021 11:18


In this series, Johnzelle shares insights gained from Dr. Joy Degruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, reviewing the book's content and reflecting on how the material resonates with him personally. Disclaimer: Any quotes shared in this episode are brief and are for review/discussion purposes only. Neither Johnzelle Anderson nor Panoramic Counseling, LLC claim ownership for any quotations referenced in this podcast, as those are the intellectual property of the book's author, Dr. Joy Degruy. If you enjoyed this content, feel free to buy me a coffee to support the blog and podcast. https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Counselor4RVA Sign up to my email list so that you never miss a new article or podcast episode: https://tinyurl.com/2jfn869b Johnzelle Anderson can be found at PanoramicCounseling.com.

Perfectly Imperfect
Summer Book Club: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (Part 3)

Perfectly Imperfect

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2021 17:53


In this series, Johnzelle shares insights gained from Dr. Joy Degruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, reviewing the book's content and reflecting on how the material resonates with him personally. Disclaimer: Any quotes shared in this episode are brief and are for review/discussion purposes only. Neither Johnzelle Anderson nor Panoramic Counseling, LLC claim ownership for any quotations referenced in this podcast, as those are the intellectual property of the book's author, Dr. Joy Degruy. If you enjoyed this content, feel free to buy me a coffee to support the blog and podcast. https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Counselor4RVA Sign up to my email list so that you never miss a new article or podcast episode: https://tinyurl.com/2jfn869b Johnzelle Anderson can be found at PanoramicCounseling.com.

Perfectly Imperfect
Summer Book Club: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (Part 2)

Perfectly Imperfect

Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2021 34:53


In this series, Johnzelle shares insights gained from Dr. Joy Degruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, reviewing the book's content and reflecting on how the material resonates with him personally. Disclaimer: Any quotes shared in this episode are brief and are for review/discussion purposes only. Neither Johnzelle Anderson nor Panoramic Counseling, LLC claim ownership for any quotations referenced in this podcast, as those are the intellectual property of the book's author, Dr. Joy Degruy. If you enjoyed this content, feel free to buy me a coffee to support the blog and podcast. https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Counselor4RVA Sign up to my email list so that you never miss a new article or podcast episode: https://tinyurl.com/2jfn869b Johnzelle Anderson can be found at PanoramicCounseling.com.

Perfectly Imperfect
Summer Book Club: Defining PTSS (Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome)

Perfectly Imperfect

Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2021 7:01


In this series, Johnzelle shares insights gained from Dr. Joy Degruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, reviewing the book's content and reflecting on how the material resonates with him personally. Disclaimer: Any quotes shared in this episode are brief and are for review/discussion purposes only. Neither Johnzelle Anderson nor Panoramic Counseling, LLC claim ownership for any quotations referenced in this podcast, as those are the intellectual property of the book's author, Dr. Joy Degruy. If you enjoyed this content, feel free to buy me a coffee to support the blog and podcast. https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Counselor4RVA Sign up to my email list so that you never miss a new article or podcast episode: https://tinyurl.com/2jfn869b Johnzelle Anderson can be found at PanoramicCounseling.com.

Perfectly Imperfect
Summer Book Club: Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (Part 1)

Perfectly Imperfect

Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2021 25:18


In this series, Johnzelle shares insights gained from Dr. Joy Degruy's book, Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, reviewing the book's content and reflecting on how the material resonates with him personally. Disclaimer: Any quotes shared in this episode are brief and are for review/discussion purposes only. Neither Johnzelle Anderson nor Panoramic Counseling, LLC claim ownership for any quotations referenced in this podcast, as those are the intellectual property of the book's author, Dr. Joy Degruy. If you enjoyed this content, feel free to buy me a coffee to support the blog and podcast. https://www.buymeacoffee.com/Counselor4RVA Sign up to my email list so that you never miss a new article or podcast episode: https://tinyurl.com/2jfn869b Johnzelle Anderson can be found at PanoramicCounseling.com.

Conversations of Color
Episode 4: The Affects of Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

Conversations of Color

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 31, 2020 55:24


In this episode we talk about Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, a term coined by Dr. Joy DeGruy, author of the Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing. We discuss the three manifestations of PTSS, and we give examples by sharing some of our own experiences on how they have shown up in our own lives. However, we have learned to take our power back by cultivating post traumatic growth in different ways, and we provide information and resources on how to heal. If you want more content, follow us on Instagram. Be sure to leave a rating & review if you are enjoying listening! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/conversations-of-color/message

The Soul Stories Podcast
Cultivating Resilience with Bubba Peace

The Soul Stories Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2020 68:17


Bubba Peace, formerly Shaun Don ThA TRUTH, is a Father, Partner, Artist, and Poet. He is an extremely reflective and spiritual soul who seems to be wise beyond his years. This conversation is a meditation on transformation, growth and the ills of the world. He offers so much perspective on how sometimes change starts by first taking an honest look at our own lives. Bubba Peace exemplifies compassion and vulnerability in this thoughtful conversation. Enjoy this episode!------Check out his music here! https://soundcloud.com/bubbapeaceInstagram: @Bubba_Peacehttps://www.facebook.com/BabytownProduction------Consider supporting The Soul Stories Podcast at Patreon.com/soulstoriesdenver or sending a small donation to our Venmo account @SoulStories!------2:03 - Bubba Peace's family background5:44 - Music and poetry as self-reflection9:37 - Masculinity as an expression of wholeness12:50 - How having a daughter changed his life15:31 - Bubba Peace's big dreams17:29 - Understanding the roots of police brutality21:05 - Returning to who we are24:50 - "Black Community Matters"29:25 - Re-validating the Black man's worth by validating the Black woman's worth34:55 - "Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome"41:35 - Developing his message through the arts45:00 - Cultivating resilient voices in the world47:08 - Presence with God's endless energy52:28 - "Loving people for who they are, not what I want them to become"59:12 - "Love life to the fullest"1:04:40 - Mama Jah Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Black Boss Show
013: A Conversation With My White Friend About Race

The Black Boss Show

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2020 176:17


Kevin sits down with one of his longtime white friend, Chase Maher, and talks about the current racial climate in America. They talk about everything Police Brutality, George Floyd, Racism, White Privilege, Candace Owens and everything in between. Both Kevin and Chase share their viewpoints on how we can best move forward and make a difference together. We encourage all black people to create these conversations with their non-black friends and begin to bridge the gap that systemic racism has created. 3 Black Boss Values We must have these uncomfortable conversations if we want to see genuine change Understand the post-traumatic syndromes that both races have If we want to see true equality, all races must come from an empathetic place Sponsors Black Boss Club Black Boss Shop **Click the timestamp to jump directly to that point in the episode. Shownotes [1:08] Intro to the Episode - Black and White People having conversations about race Kevin introduces his good friend Chase (who is white) and opens the discussion about race They're lifelong friends and it's important to have these conversations with people who are important to you They're keeping it real and honest [2:34] Chase shares his thoughts about what happened to George Floyd Felt different the attention time, whether it's because of quarantine and or because it was highly publicized but it felt different Disclaimer : This may not be politically correct but it's the real and raw perspective Two sides : the black community is taking a stand, and getting the rightful attention Media in the past always put a little bit of doubt on the death of a black person but this time there was no doubt [9:56] Social media and the impact on the masses Apps like Tik Tok, Twitter, Instagram -  kids are now seeing the world as a whole and are seeing different perspectives on life outside of parent views The masses are able to see the youth / kids challenge their parents about their old racist belief systems CNN and other media outlets are can't 100% control the narrative because Social Media is showing what's really happening [7:05] Chase has been educating himself on what black people want the white man to do Believes we should focus on the system that breeds racists and breeds inequality Wants to help and do what he can to help the black community Kevin and Chase discuss why black people have been pointing out the racists or the situations that poke and are subtly racist [12:18] The social media arguments  Chase feels like it's a waste of time to argue and fight with people on Facebook about these issues He believes that we should go after what systematic structures influences racism and who controls the corrupt cops Kevin thinks we need to work from the TOP down and the BOTTOM up, and that way we'll get to the middle, but knows it's taken years to come this far We live in a white supremacist country [14:49] Black Boss Valuable Minute  Kevin shares how you can become a member of the Black Boss Club AND also how you can save 10% off your first purchase at the Black Boss Store. [16:21] Taking a look at the top - court systems, presidents, ceos The top of the top are the most racist, they hold the most money and profit from these systems Kevin shares the book “White Fragility”  The people who are in power and are white don't want black people to be equal because they feel like they'll lose their power [19:16] The “sprinkle of doubt” tactic Has been used to distract the public from what really takes place This tactic has been used since the Black Panther movement, painting it as a military group when it was not Murdering the person who has threatened the throne Social media is starting to showcase the reality [23:53] Chase shares the white supremacists tactic to make “hemp” negative White leaders made the propaganda that hemp or weed was bad They started to plant hemp in the black communities and locked blacks up for it Used prisoners as cheap labor after slavery days Now, weed is legal and white people are making money from it and black people can't get licenses to sell it [29:35] Post-traumatic slave syndrome Generations pass down trauma through their DNA The same energy and pain is transferred down Why don't white people get it? They may have post-traumatic white supremacist syndrome [33:23] Does hunting cause people who have less emotional ties to people dying? Kevin and Chase disagree on this perspective White people who like hunting but why? Does it desensitize people from seeing others die People kill animals without any emotional tie to that animal   [41:27] There are black people who milk the system because they're are born thinking the world is against them There is passed down trauma and hatred through the system White people need to educate themselves and realize there's black people that don't fit the stereotypes they are taught [44:07] Kevin hates when people say check your emotions If these same things were to happen to White people, they'd be emotional too Challenge white people to feel and understand the pain, stop looking for justifications and put yourself in these black people's situation This shit always happens to black people, and they're fed up [49:43] Being woke and “virtue signaling” Somebody who is trying to be morally correct but is challenged by someone else saying you are not being morally correct enough People are being attacked when they're trying to do the right thing Why do white people feel the need to apologize for decades of racism?  [59:07] Chase believes America is not as racist as we are seen to be He thinks we aren't as racist as we are painted to be America was the first time people were enslaved on the color of skin Day to day actions, it's not that bad Racism exists everywhere but America is under a microscope [1:04:25] If you want to learn something, figure it out There's resources available White people need to take the initiative if they really want to learn Figure it out, black people aren't here to make it easier for you [1:07:49] Why are there so many guns in Chicago? In other black neighborhoods? Guns are being planted and dropped in these communities The government sets it up to keep these systems funded They light the fire [1:14:10] How this black jazz member dismantled a group of KKK through a conversation Darrell Davis episode on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast Had a conversation with white people and showed them the reliability Black people have been conditioned and so have white people to think a certain way [1:16:46] Interracial marriages and love Chase's friend shared a post to see how many racists he knows saying “would you let your daughter marry a black man?” People brought up religion and other ideals to explain why they wouldn't let that happen [1:19:21] What is white privilege? Some white people don't like the term because it portrays that their life is easy Chase thinks too many people anchor white privilege on wealth and an easy upbringing but it's not that To him, white privilege is getting the upper hand because of their color or name Benefiting in the workforce due to whiteness Cops not having their hand on their gun when you are pulled over Landlords skipping over the application [1:26:49] How Kevin gamed the system and got away from lack Kevin received opportunities by leaving out his GPA He had other credentials and experiences that weighed heavier than his grades His name also doesn't seem black He worked hard to make the right movements [1:39:38] How can we stop losing focus? The looting and rioting and people being killed, distracting from the reason We need to stay focused on the matter and the reason People with money are trying to change the narrative [1:46:40] Diving into the looting and connection to politics There's a difference between certain types of looting They are setting up bricks and encouraging this behavior People with money are trying to change the narrative The rhetoric on politics is that if you're black then you have to vote Democratic People shouldn't be party specific  Don't believe you have to pick a side [2:00:37] Candace Owens - the modern snitch Conservative black female She has now taken it too far, and is being ignorant  White people using her as an anchor to prove that the black experience is BS Black people view her as a cop-out, racist with a black face [2:08:20] Symbols and their correlation to pain The swastika may cause pain to Jewish people The confederate flag may cause pain to black people, thinking it represents racism The MAGA hat now symbolizes white supremacist pride for this era People need to recognize that certain symbols do cause people pain [2:17:30] We need to fix the system There's only so much that the people can do We need to change the dollar bill, we need wider change You can only march and have a peaceful protest for so long, without proper action being taken MLK was assassinated and he was peacefully protesting The first 8 out of 12 presidents had slaves All of our money has slave owners [2:27:39] Black on black crime  Something that white people use to deflect from police brutality It does not exist “Black on black crime” is another example of infiltrating and propaganda to cast doubt  [2:35:13] What can the black community do to make a change? Learn our history, discover the truth and understand the facts Build ourselves economically, become more entrepreneurial, stop making excuses and take action Make the choice to create generational wealth Personal Development [2:41:11] The Doll Test An experiment where kids of all races asked questions pertaining to Black vs. White Dolls All the positive questions asked was in favor of White Doll All the negative questions asked was in favor of Black Doll [2:43:20] Group Economics Black people have so much purchasing power yet we are broke Different cultures spend money within their community before they spend elsewhere Black wall street was the last community of thriving black people [2:45:46] What can white people do to make a change in the culture? Stop making excuses and using certain areas to defend our point They need to have empathy, understand and see what black people think before creating a counterargument Chase can see this side because he grew up and learned about black people Focus on your hiring practices, where you're spending your money, look at your habits and see why you made those decisions  Check their perspective on police Educate our children that racism is not okay and teach them about white privilege  Resources White Fragility Black Labor, White Wealth Snap Judgment - Daryl Davis podcast Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome