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A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists. Important Links: Hmong Innovating Politics: Website | Instagram Asian Refugees United: Website | Instagram Bhutanese American Refugee Rights website Transcript Swati Rayasam: You are tuned in to Apex Express on KPFA. My name is Swati Rayasam.  Since the onset of the Trump administration, immigrant and refugee communities have been under increased attack, being kidnapped in broad daylight, detained in unsanitary and unsafe conditions, and deported to countries many of them barely know. All without due process or communication to their loved ones and communities. On tonight's episode, we're focusing on a particular segment of our immigrant and refugee community, Hmong and Bhutanese refugees. Both of these targeted communities are stateless with no land to call their own, and their deportation carries the very real danger of disappearance and death. Robin Gurung from Asian Refugees United and Kao Ye Thao from Hmong innovating Politics, discuss their community and personal refugee stories, and talk about the intersection of the US' deeply broken immigration and criminal legal systems, otherwise known as crimmigration. We also get to hear from the wives of two detained refugees, one Bhutanese and one Hmong, who are currently fighting to keep their families together and to protect their loved ones from the dangers of deportation as stateless people. I also want to note because this is a rapidly developing situation, that this episode was recorded on August 13th, 2025, and is being released on August 28th, 2025. For the most recent updates, please go to bhutaneserefugeerights.org or check out the Pardon Refugees campaign. Now, here's Miko. Miko: Welcome to Apex Express. Thank you so much for being here today. I'm so glad to bring you all together in this time. I'm wondering if I could ask you each to introduce yourselves and tell us a little bit about the community your organization serves and what you do, and let's start with Kao Ye.  Kao Ye: Hello everyone, and thank you for making space- my name is Kao Ye Tao. I use she her pronouns, and I work as the director of policy and partnerships with an organization called Hmong Innovating Politics. We are an organization that serves Hmong youth and families in Sacramento and Fresno, which holds two of our largest Hmong American communities in California. And our work with Hmong youth and families is really about developing their leadership to organize towards social justice and to get the resources that their communities deserve. Miko: Thank you, Kao Ye and Robin, could you please introduce yourself? Robin: Sure. My name is Robin Gurung. I use he, him, his, I'm from the Nepali speaking Bhutanese community. I live in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. my role at Asian Refugees United is the co-founder and the co-executive director. We have our program in California and Pennsylvania. California programs are, are serving Asian diaspora and then, Pennsylvania programs are focused serving the Nepal speaking Bhutanese community. We work in the intersection of arts and healing, storytelling, civic engagement, leadership development. Thank you. Miko: Thanks Robin and I am your host Miko Lee, lead producer at Apex Express. And all of us are part of a network called AACRE Asian Americans for Civil Rights and Equality, which is a network of progressive Asian American groups. So you all work with refugee populations. I'm wondering if you could tell a little bit more about the backstory of your community, and also if you feel comfortable about how you personally came to be a refugee in the United States. And, Robin, I'd love to start with you on that one. Robin: Sure. My community is Nepali speaking, Bhutanese refugee community. And we are ethnically Nepali, which means culture wise and language wise we speak Nepali and follow the Nepali culture tradition. Our ancestors like maybe in 18 hundreds, 19 hundreds migrated from Nepal to Bhutan and became the citizen of that country. And most people don't know about Bhutan, it's a very tiny country between China and India. And, if people know about Bhutan, then people know it through the cross national happiness concept, Bhutan is considered the happiest country in the world. So our ancestors were in mostly in the southern area of Bhutan for generations, they became the citizen. They had their own home, their own land. And then later, 1980s, early nineties, there was a policy by the government of Bhutan, which is the monarchy government system- king rules the country. They brought a policy called One Nation, One People Policy. Which means all different groups of people would have to follow the same culture, same religion, kind of follow the same dress code and because of that policy all people were forced to stay away from following our own culture or our own religion, which, most of our folks were Hindu. Our people protested against it and because of that, the government expelled over a hundred thousand of our community members. And, they expelled to India and then from like India wouldn't allow us to stay and we had to resettle in Nepal in seven different refugee camps under different international agencies like U-N-H-C-R and other agencies. Miko: And then Robin, can you tell a little bit about your personal story and how you came here? Robin: Yeah. Yeah. So 1992 is when my family had to leave Bhutan. And at that time I was three years old. I remember growing up in a refugee camp in Nepal, from three years until I was 23 years. So 20 years of my life I was in a refugee camp in Nepal. And in 2012, I came to US through the refugee resettlement program introduced to our camps in 2008, and through it US agreed to resettle 60,000 of our committee members. By 2017, I think US has resettled about 70 to 80,000 of our Bhutanese community members.   Miko: Thank you so much for sharing. Kao Ye I wonder if you could talk about your community and the refugee resettlement program that your community was a part of. Kao Ye: The Hmong American community, or just the Hmong community overall, is a group that's indigenous to East and Southeast Asia. And through our ancient history, we've always been a stateless, people fighting for our autonomy to live to practice our customs and our culture. And particularly where we come into this history of refugee is during the Vietnam War where many Hmong people, alongside other ethnic groups in Laos, were caught in the crossfire of the United States conflict in Southeast Asia. And so with the Vietnam War. The Hmong as well as many other ethnic communities that lived, in the hills and the mountains were recruited in covert operations by the CIA to fight back against the Vietnamese, the Northern Vietnamese communist forces, as well as the Putet Lao. And so once the US withdrew from Southeast Asia, it created a vacuum of conflict and violence that our people had to escape from in order to survive. And so after the Vietnam War in 1975, we saw the mass displacement of many Southeast Asian ethnic communities, including Hmong families. And that is where my history starts because my parents were born in Laos and because of this war, they fled to Thailand refugee camps and lived there for a few years until they were able to come to the United States in 1992. And I'm actually I'm a child of refugees and so what I know about this part of my history comes from the stories of my grandparents who raised me as well as what little I could learn in the textbooks of public education. And so it wasn't actually until going to college and. Being able to access more of this literature, this history that I really learned about what the United States had done in Southeast Asia and the ramifications of that for myself and my family and so many others, refugees that. Have to have had to resettle in the United States. And so it's definitely a history that runs very close, because we have relatives that live through that refugee experience. And so it is very well and alive. And so as we now approach this conversation around ICE and deportations, it really is a reminder of the trauma that our people face, but are still facing as a people that have been seen as disposable to the United States government. Miko: Thanks, Kao Ye. Let's talk a little bit more about that. But first I wanna say, did either of you ever hear about refugees in your textbooks? I never did. So I'm wondering if, you said you learned a little bit about that from textbooks. Was that something you learned in public education. Kao Ye: I did not learn about refugees or refugees experience. I learned about the war and as a Hmong kid it brought me so much delight to try to scroll through the history books just to see if Hmong people were mentioned. And even then the refugee experience was not ever something that we talked about. I felt like definitely not in, in high school. I think it was college really, that then started to articulate those terms and that Southeast Asian identity, that is really where I think I also became politicized in that. Miko: Yeah, because I think in textbooks there might be a little section on the Vietnam War, but it does not talk about the, all the Southeast Asian ethnic peoples that actually fought in the war. We have to dig that information out on our own, but I wanna move us to what is happening right now. So the Trump administration has created. Culture of fear among immigrants and refugees, these ICE raids and disappearances. It is so intense and using immigrants as a fear tool to prop up white supremacy is so blatant right now. I'm wondering if you can each talk about, how this administration's policies are impacting your communities. And, Robin, let's start with you. What is happening right now? I know since the end of March, can you share a little bit about what's been happening with Bhutanese Americans? Robin: Sure. Sure. So our people were settled to this country with the hope that this is going to be our home. But starting March of this year, with the new policies of this current administration, we started seeing abrupt, ICE arrest in our communities. People were picked up from home, their workplaces, and from their ICE, check-ins. And, since March, within I would say two to three months, more than 72 of our community members were picked up, mostly from Pennsylvania and then Ohio, and also from other states like New York, Georgia, North Dakota. So until now, we have, the records of at least 50 people who have been deported to Bhutan and at least 72 who are detained. So more than 30 people are [at risk] of getting detained. The nature of the ICE arrests that we have seen is we don't know whether the due processes were followed. They made it so hard for the families to look for attorneys, and also to track their family members. Within days family members would find their loved ones disappeared, and then they wouldn't be able to talk to them they wouldn't be able to track them and provide the support that they needed. So for us as a community organization we did not anticipate this and we were not prepared for this. And, and we didn't have the infrastructure to really address this, right? So it became such challenging work for us. Like within days we had to mobilize our people. We had to mobilize our teams to help family members with legal support, emotional support, mobilize our community members to update what's happening with this situation. The rapid response work, know your rights clinics that we had to set up. So on one hand it's the detention and deportation in the US and on the other hand, when our people were deported to Bhutan, what we're seeing is within 24 hours, they are being expelled from Bhutan to India, and then from India because India wouldn't accept them as well, they had to enter Nepal because for most of these Deportee, they're very young, they were born in refugee camps, and for most of them, the only known land is Nepal. Right. And they had to enter Nepal without documentation. And then some of them were found in refugee camps. And most of them are unknown. Like they're, they have disappeared. Miko: So that is so much over the last few months that ARU has had to step in and take a leading, role in this situation that has impacted the Bhutanese community from focusing on wellness and youth development to suddenly translating materials into Nepali, translating, know Your Rights materials into Nepali, hosting all these different events, the work that you have been doing is really powerful. I wonder if you could share with us the story of Mohan Karki, who is a community member that's currently detained in Michigan. Robin: Sure. So, Mohan Karki is now in detention in Michigan and he's a community member member who lived in Ohio. So he was detained by ICE during his regular ICE check-in , I believe in April, they detained him and then he was taken for deportation. And last minute, the families and the community had to come together and then appeal the deportation. Right now he's in Michgan detention center and his wife, who was pregnant and had due date, when Mohan was being deported on June 10, is now fighting day and night to stop the deportation and also to bring Mohan home. Right now, Asian Refugees United and other community partners, like AWPAL, Asian Law Caucus are working together to support Mohan's family, to bring Mohan home and also running a, GoFund me fundraiser, to help the family pay the legal fees. Miko: Thanks Robin. And we're gonna listen to Tikas story right now. Tika Basnet: Hi, my name is Tika Basnet I'm from Ohio and I'm fighting my husband deportation case.  So on April seven, a lot of people told us not to go to the ICE office, but my husband wanna follow the rules, he wanna go there. We went to the Westerville office inside And we sit down, we talk to each other. Nothing will go wrong. And suddenly ICE told us to come inside and they told us that my husband got travel documents from Bhutan. I told them like it is not safe for my husband to get deport in Bhutan, all the Bhutanese people run away in 1990s due to the ethnic cleansing and if my husband get deported in Bhutan, he will either gonna get killed, tortured, disappeared, imprisoned, I don't know what will happen, but they did not listen to me. So they detained my husband and I came at the parking lot and his mom saw me coming alone. So they start crying and I told them like, Mohan is gone and this is the last time I think I'm gonna see my husband. the time that my husband was taken away from Butler County on June 10 I was 41 weeks pregnant. I was supposed to deliver on, June 10. But no, I told the doctor I change my delivery time. I am not gonna go now like I need to fight for my husband. Like, When Bhutanese people started coming here in 2007. Third party promise us that in here in United States, we will get our identity. That identity will never taken away. They promise us that the way Bhutan take our identity, they will not gonna do that. we thought that this is our home. We thought that having a green card, having a citizenship, it is permanently, but no, we are, we all are wrong. And that identity is taken away within a second. And we became stateless again. So, my husband, Mohan Karki he just arrived in the United States he been here less than two years when the incident happened. He did not understand the law. He did not understand the culture. He did not know anything.  My husband he was only 17 years old, high school student coming from school to home. On the way to reach their apartment, there is one private house. They are just trying to go to the shortcut from the backyard. So some neighbor call 9 1 1. And that only one mistake lead to deportation.  The place that we come from, there is no boundaries. In Nepal, we are allowed to go anybody property We are allowed to walk somebody else house and because of the cultural difference, he's paying price right now.  At that time, nobody can speak English. They cannot understand what police were saying and Nepali interpreter told my husband that if you say I'm guilty, you'll out of prison soon. But if you did not say I'm guilty, you'll end up in prison for 20 to 25 years. High school student he's scared he just say, I'm guilty, and he did not know what is deportation mean. He did not know what he was signing. Nobody informed him what he was signing. That signing was deportation. What happened in 2013 is impacting us in 2025 and still he wish he did not cross somebody else backyard at that time. He wish he knew that he wasn't allowed to cross somebody else's backyard. I don't know what will our future is gonna be, but I hope that he gets second chance. His community love him. He love people. He was working as a truck driver. He paid taxes. He was supporting his parent. He was supporting me. My daughter deserve to have a father. You know, she's just one month. But now the dream that I was hoping one day I'm gonna build with my husband that is taken away and I'm left alone with this child. I already went through a lot without him, i'm the only one that fighting for my husband case. The deportation is not only breaking one family, but it is breaking everybody, the community and the family. And I hope that people can support me so I can fight for my husband case. Like I really need so many attorney. I need criminal attorney to open up his 2013 case. And I have wonderful, wonderful attorney, my husband get stay off removal, but that is not guarantee my husband can get deport anytime. The attorney fee are really expensive and he still needs support. The US made bhutanese people a promise of home. We belong here. Stop the detention and deportation. Stop deporting Bhutanese people. We are stateless. We don't have country, don't have a home. This is our home. US is our home. We belong here. Miko: Of the 72 people, Mohan is the first Bhutanese refugee that we actually have a stay of release on, as Robin was saying earlier, most of the folks were moved from state to state, so you can't really get a lawyer in that time. And as we all know, nonprofit immigration lawyers are under a lot of stress because of the attack of this administration. So it makes it incredibly complicated, let alone the legal fees that it costs to help support people going through this. And right now, Mohan has a stay on his, deportation and the lawyer that they do have is drafting up a letter to be able to release him into the community and also overturn his original case that happened as a minor in Georgia, which was a ridiculous case where he was leaving school, early high school, first year in the country, leaving high school early, and walked with his friends across a backyard. And the neighbor that they walked through their yard called the police, and they arrested him along with his friends for trespassing, they gave him paperwork that he didn't even understand. He signed it along with a interpreter they gave him false information to say he'd be locked up for 25 years, or if he signed this papers, that would be fine. He could go and what the papers said was it changed his charge into a felony and had him sign a letter of deportation. So this is part of the failure of our American legal system that we're not providing adequate information. It is a lack of due process. Thankfully, the work that Asian Law Caucus and United States of Stateless and other community activists are doing to call this out and help work with us is really critical. I wanna turn now to Kao Ye how this administrations is impacting Hmong refugees, and how is it similar or different to the experiences that Robin is describing for the Nepali speaking Bhutanese community? Kao Ye: I echoed many of the sentiments and the challenges that Robin shared around what we as nonprofit, grassroots organizations are having to build and grapple with just the limited infrastructure that we have to deal with the current ICE disappearances and deportation and all the support that's needed for the families. And so thank you Robin, for sharing that. I wanted to start broad a little bit because I think that this Trump administration is happening in the backdrop of the 50th year commemoration of the end of the wars in Southeast Asia and the refugee resettlement. We had over 1.1 million Southeast Asians resettle to the United States, the largest immigration resettlement, in American history. And so this year brings so many complexities, I think as a Southeast Asian community where there is a level of looking back at policies that have impacted us and have failed, but also looking forward what is the community that we are building together to move and progress together. And so there are those complexities, I think as the fact that it's the 50th year and like, this is what we're dealing with. This is the trauma that we are grappling with. And so I wanted to put that out front and center because even I think within our communities , there is no necessarily enlightenment in terms of how we talk about what is happening to our people and how they're getting deported unjustly. So that is why it is so important to have this dialogue within our communities as well as the solidarity that we also share with the Bhutanese community and other immigrant groups too. I think that in many of our Southeast Asian communities, their reasons for deportations is very tied to past convictions, and so this is the intersection between criminal law and immigration law. And it makes it complex because our people are now having to consult not just an immigration lawyer, but like criminal attorney so that they could really assess like what kind of relief they can get in order to mitigate, impending deportations. And then also miko you had shared about the lack of adequate legal service or representation because many of these folks, right, that have had these convictions that have now served their time and are simply members of our community that make our community rich. They are now having to revisit removal orders that they signed, thinking that, oh, nothing necessarily was gonna happen because they don't have a repatriation agreement. So, in our community, there was never a thought that we were going to be deported back to our home country because of that policy. And so that is a big contributing factor as to why the Hmong community, we don't have that infrastructure to really support our members who have gone through the criminal justice system and now have those removal orders. And so HIP, as well as many other grassroots. Sadly we did have to scramble to put this know your rights information together because again, I don't think that there was visibility in the need for us in this conversation around immigration Southeast Asians are a segment of our API community and so it just, I think, multiplied the invisibility that we already faced as a group of Southeast Asians. And so the support was definitely not there. And, to Robin's point, we did our best to try to put this information together to our community, starting with the Know Your Rights. And then we also realized like it was more complex than that, and that the legal supports were so necessary because everyone's case was different. I think what we're still dealing with now is that there's always been a lack of trust between our community members and government entities and nonprofit organizations. And so, if someone is dealing with the situation, they wanna go to, a partner that they trust to help them, even if they're not necessarily equipped to do that work, is that they're going to only the people that they trust because there is such a big mistrust. And so I think that, there is still the level of trust building that is needed to be done within our community so that folks feel comfortable to come to us or come to other people for support. And I think what makes me feel emotional is just when I hear about community members feeling hopeless and just feeling like there's nothing that they can do and that level of disempowerment to me, I think is something that is real. And I can't say that we can't combat it, but I think that it is about being able to find different outlets of support for them. Miko: Thank you for lifting that up. And just , in terms of the numbers, over three months, March, April and May, there were about 72 Bhutanese Americans that have been detained. And this is just kind of starting up with the Hmong community. So we had 15 that were detained from Minnesota and another 10 right now are being held in Michigan. And we also see this happening with Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodians, and Myan folks. All of these folks as Kao Ye you're pointing out, have had common threads, which is connections with the system, with the criminal legal/ justice system and crimmigration is something that in the AACRE network we've been talking about and working on, which is really about the education to prison, to deportation pipeline. And one of the things that this administration had talked about is, let's get rid of all the murderers and the rapists. You know, this like scare language about people that are convicted criminals, let's get rid of them all. But the fact of the matter. The vast majority of all of these people are people like Mohan Karki, a cultural misunderstanding that happened when he was a child. Like Lou Yang, who is Hmong refugee detained in Michigan right now. Somebody who was involved in something as a kid, but has since then become a leader in the community. So let's take a moment and listen to the spouse of Lou Yang, a Hmong refugee detained in Michigan in July. Anne Vu: My name is Anne Vu and I come before you today with a heart full of hope. Sorrow and a plea for justice. I am a proud American, a mother of six, the daughter of Hmong refugees who would gain their citizenship, and the wife of a man called Lou Yang, who is now detained and faced with potential deportation from the only country that he's ever known. Lou has lived in Michigan since October, 1979. He was born stateless in a refugee camp in Nongkai Thailand and his family fled Laos due to persecution. His father and like many others, served with the United States force during the Vietnam War as part of the Secret War, recruited by CIA in Laos, a conflict that most Americans do not know has happened. The Hmong were recruited by the CIA as part of the Secret War to help America during the Vietnam War. But when the war ended and the US withdrew, we were as the Hmongs declared enemy of the state. What followed was genocide, polarization and persecution by the state, and it was because of our alliance, the promise made by the US government that the Hmong refugees were legally settled here under certain migration of refugee laws and acts. And Lou arrived here as a young, toddler in infancy. In 1997, he was arrested on an alleged accomplice in an attempt home invasion, second degree. He was in the vehicle at the time. He never entered the home. He literally was still a juvenile at that time. He had a court appointed attorney and was advised to take a plea without being told it would affect his immigration status for the rest of his life. This is the reality of our immigration system – long, complex, confusing and devastating, unforgiving. It is not built for people like us, people like Lou, people who have served their time, rebuilt their lives and have nowhere else to go. We've walked this legal path, we've stayed together in the lines, and yet we are here punished today. Lou has no other charges, no current legal issues, no history of violence. He is not a flight risk. He is not a danger to our public safety. He is a father, my husband, a son, a son-in-law, a grandson and a brother to many, and our leader and a provider to our community, and to my family. He renews his work authorization and follows every rule asked of him no matter how uncertain the future felt. Together, we've raised six beautiful children. They're all proud Americans. Lou has contributed to Michigan's economy for decades working in our automotive industry and now he is gone and all that he is built is unraveling and the community is heartbroken. We didn't come from wealth. We didn't have every opportunity handed to us because we didn't come seeking a land of opportunity. We came here because of survival. We had to build from the ground up. But the most important thing was Lou and I, we had each other. We had our families, our friends, and our neighbors. We had a shared commitment to build a better life, grounded in love, respect, and purpose. And somehow that's still not enough. For years, we were told like other Hmong families that Laos in Thailand would never take us back. And that has changed. In June, 2025 the US imposed a partial travel ban on Laos, citing visa overstays, and lack of deportation cooperation. And in response, Laos began issuing these documents under pressure. Today over 4,800, including Hmong, Myan, and the other ethnic minorities are facing removal to Laos and to many other countries, many have never stepped foot in a country that they are now being sent to. Lou is Stateless like many others that is detained with him. None of these countries recognize him. He was born in the Thailand refugee camp, it does not recognize him nor qualify him for any sort of Thai citizenship and I'll tell you guys right now if forced to return, he will face danger because of his family's deep ties to the CIA and United States military. Deporting him turns him, a civil servant and respected community leader, into a political casualty, it would be a grave and irreversible injustice. To deport him now is to punish him to death. Once again, 50 years later, as we celebrate resilience this year across the nation, we are now celebrating a fight within our own grounds, right here in United States, right here in Michigan. We're now fighting the same fight within our own country. Thousands of Southeast Asian Americans, many that entered legally admitted as refugees are being deported for decade old offenses they've longed paid for. America is our country. All we ask is the right to stay in the home that we've helped to build and work hard to protect. We are not seeking special treatment. We are asking for justice, compassion, and a second chance in this country to claim what we believe in. To Governor Whitmer and members of Congress and all elected officials, please help bring Lou and the many others home. Urge ICE and DHS to release him on humanitarian grounds. Help his case. Help us preserve the integrity of our laws and the dignity of our families. And to the public allies and the media. Please call our elected officials. Please call these offices.  Please share Lou's story. We need voices. Voices louder than ours alone. It is hard times you guys. It is real. And I speak to you from the bottom of my heart. Please help me and our families in the many that are suffering. This is our home. These are our children. This is my husband and this is our fight. Let him come home. Let our families be whole again, and let America keep its promise. Thank you guys for hearing me. Miko: Lou Young is a community leader. Michigan, who actually runs a nonprofit in support of Hmong folks in that community, and is targeted and also has a stay of removal. So we're doing a targeted campaign for both of these folks, Lou Yang and Mohan Karki, to be able to get them released to overturn their original convictions and they also have spouses that are telling their stories and telling the impact these detentions have had. Because while this current administration talks about getting rid of criminals, what they are actually doing is breaking apart families and community. Swati Rayasam: You are tuned in to Apex Express on 94.1 KPFA, 89.3 KPFB in Berkeley, 88.1 KFCF in Fresno and online@kpfa.org. Coming up is Deporting the Pilgrim from the Anakbayan Long Beach Mayday Mix tape.   Swati Rayasam: That was please be strong, featuring Hushed, loudmouth and Joe handsome. And before that was deporting the pilgrim from the Unec Bayan Long Beach Mayday Mixtape. Now back to the show. Miko:  I wanna shift us a little bit to talking about Asian american representation in the larger fabric of immigration justice in the United States. Mostly many of our Asian communities have been like isolated, not really involved in the broader immigration movement. And I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about the difficulty and nuance of bringing your community struggle to the forefront because many of us heard about the Venezuelans and the Mexicans that have been deported and what was going on, but we don't hear as much about these stories of our Asian sisters and brothers. I wonder if one of you could give voice to that. Robin: Before going there can I add something to  Miko: of course.  Robin: crimmigration conversation? So when you all are sharing about that, I was thinking about, the justice system in this country and what we are seeing right now is a broken justice system. Like you said, Miko, where families are separated where families are broken, and what I don't understand is, when, let's say your loved one gets into trouble, makes a mistake, and gets into a trouble, then, as a human being, like, don't you want your loved ones to rebuild their lives? Like Yes, of course there is a system that you have to follow, the laws that you have to follow, but at the end, I think we all want our loved ones to come back, rebuild their lives, right? And what we're seeing in this country is they're constantly breaking the families. And I don't see how we are going to build a better future when we are constantly, hurting the families. And in the cases of detention and deportation, what we're seeing is the double punishment. Like the mistakes that they had made, but then throughout their life, they have to go through that, a continuous cycle of being punished. And not just the individuals, but their family members have also go through the challenges, the suffering, right? And in the case of Bhutanese from double punishment to double expulsion to this, the state of being statelessness. Right? So what kind of future we are imagining when an individual has to go through that continuous cycle of being punished and not having the opportunity to rebuild their lives. So that's a big question mark that I think, we all need to think about. To your later question around my community and the larger Asian American context or the national context. My community is relatively new to this country. We lived, almost two decades in a refugee camp, which was a enclosed camp. And our lives were dependent on foreign aids like UNHCR or ILWF. Pretty much I would say we had our own world over there. And for us to work outside the refugee camp was illegal. There was no laws that gave us the permission to work outside. So we were not pretty much exposed to the outer world. So for us to come to US was a big step. Which means pretty much from basic every day stuffs like, you know, using a bathroom, using a kitchen, taking a bus. All of those were foreign for us. So for our community to really tap into the education system, the political landscape of this country. And also like the experience of being expelled for voicing our, our opinions, for fighting for our rights. Right? So for us, for our community to kind of step in into the politics, it's like re-traumatizing ourselves. I would say there are a lot of barriers, multi-layered barriers for our community members to really tap into the larger political, like socio political landscape, from language barriers to culture barriers to education, to pretty much everything. So right now, the way our committee has been being attacked. It's a surprise to the community. And also it is like kind of traumatizing the community and taking us back to the same place of feeling, insecure, feeling like we don't have a home. And we did hope that this is legally, this is going to be a home. Because after coming to the US most of us became the legal citizens of this country and we started rebuilding our lives. Now it's kind of like going back to the same circle of statelessness. Miko: Thank you for sharing about that. Kao Ye, would you like to add to that? Kao Ye: When I think of the Hmong American community and even the Southeast Asian community and why the narratives of what is happening still feels very invisible. I think of how our community, we were assimilating for survival. And I speak on that as a child of my refugee parents and siblings where growing up we were taught to, listen, not speak out, not cause trouble. Go through the system, listen to authority, listen to law enforcement. And because of that, I feel it's shaped a culture of fear. Fear to dissent and fear to speak out because we care so much about the stability of our families. And we wanted to protect ourselves, because of everything we've gone through with the war. And we are finding that it's been challenging for our community members to come forward with their stories. Honestly, we're still sitting on that and we're still kind of sitting through like, why is there that tension? You know, I feel like folks are going through a lot and even folks have, our impacted loved ones, but they're afraid to tell their story because of fear of of retaliation. And so I think that there is a level of, I think that lack of even psychological safety, but real, physical, real financial safety that people have. And I think that being a factor to the assimilation, but also this facade of like the American dream and like if we don't just disrupt, if we don't speak out, we will be protected. And, white supremacy, right? Like we will be okay. And it's a facade because we know that because our communities are the ones getting kidnapped and getting deported. Right. And so I think there is that fear, but there's also recognition of this now, this facade that the silence doesn't protect us and that there is a real need for us to really, be strong in speaking out, not just for our SEA siblings that are impacted, but for all of our immigrant groups, even the Bhutanese community, right. That's been impacted during this time. And so I, yeah, I think it is that multi-layered experience of being a Southeast Asian refugee community on top of, being part of this AAPI umbrella. AAPI we are not homogenous. We all have very unique histories as to how we have dealt with the systems in this country and how we came into this country. And so I think it's been challenging to make space for those nuances. And at the end of the day, I still see the interconnections that we all have together too. And so, I think it's the willingness to make space for those different stories. And I am finding that more of our ethnic media, our smaller news outlets are more willing to cover those stories as opposed to, these larger mainstream outlets. Like they're not covering those stories, but we are. Miko: Thank you. Oh, both of you have brought up so much today about our failed criminal justice system, about us punishing people as opposed to rehabilitating people and punishing them more than once. We brought up questions around statelessness and the impact that it has, and I just recently learned that the United States does not have any policy on Statelessness. So one of the things that this coalition of folks is trying to do is to get a congressional hearing to help the United States develop policy around statelessness, because it is actually our responsibility and our duty to do that. The other thing I hear you both talking about is this good immigrant, bad immigrant trope, which we've heard of a lot, but I think that's also very much connected to why so many members of our communities don't wanna speak out because this connection with, you know, quote unquote criminal history might be something that's shameful. And I'm wondering if you both see that as a divide mostly between elders in the community and younger folks. Robin, do you wanna talk about that? Robin: Yeah. I mean, initially when we were mobilizing our community members to fight against the the unjust and unfair detention and deportation, this issue around the perception around good immigrants and bad immigrants became one of the main topic of discussion. We had to deal with people, and mostly elders, but I would say some young folks as well, who would pull themselves back on speaking against this issue because for them people who are being deported or detained are criminals and they deserve this kind of mindset. And not being able to see the larger picture of how the administration is targeting the immigrant and the refugee population of this country and really trying to dismantle community power, right? So, yes, it is a challenge that we are, we're going through and I think it's going to be quite a bit of work, to really build solidarity within our own communities. Kao Ye: I feel that the divide in the Hmong community is stemming from class and education. I feel as though when folks are articulating, regurgitating these justifications of the bad immigrant as to why folks should be deported it's folks that maybe kind of made it in their lives and now they're comparing themselves to folks that were not in that situation. And there is this growing within our community as well, where some folks are getting that education, getting, good jobs. But so much of our community, we still suffer from poverty, right? And so, I think that has been really interesting to witness the level of division because of class, because of income and also the education piece. Because oftentimes when folks are feeling this, it comes from a place of ignorance as well. And so that's why I think the education piece is so important. I actually feel though our elders are more understanding because these are their children that are being separated from them. And Robin's point is that when we have loved ones that go through the system, we just want them to rebuild their lives and be self-sufficient. And I feel like those are the values that I grew up in my community where our parents were always about keeping the family together to a fault, you know? And so they don't want separation. They just want us to be well and to do well, and to turn our lives around. And so, I feel strongly that our elders, they do understand that the importance of giving this opportunity for us to, to stay together and turn our lives around. Miko: Thank you so much, both of you for joining me here today to talk about this important conversation. I'm wondering if you could provide our audience with how they could find out more about what is going on and what are next steps for our audience members. Robin, let's start with you. Robin: Yeah. I just wanted to add what, Kao Ye talked about. I do agree the patterns around the divide is based on class. And I do see that in the community, and not just the class, but in our community class and caste, I would say. And in terms of the class, there were some instances where we had to deal with even the highly educated like PhD holders kind of, questioning us like, you know, what we are advocating for, and, I couldn't understand like, I couldn't relate the education, the title, the degree that he holds and the perception around this issue. Right. So, I just wanted to echo that. So, in terms of our work and Asian Refugees United, our website is www.asianrefugees.org And you can find us in our Instagram, Facebook, Asian Refugees United. Miko: And you can also get latest news about what's happening at bhutaneserefugeerights.com. Yeah. And Kao Ye how can folks find out more about your work? Kao Ye: Right now HIP is part of a statewide network in California called the Pardon Refugees Campaign, where we are really pushing Governor Newsom to pardon all refugees, not just Southeast Asians because of everything that we talked about, about how our families, they deserve to stay together. And so, I don't think we have a website up yet, but you can follow this campaign with us. We will be having a rally and press conference, coming up soon, in the next few weeks. And so, I would say that please follow us in that work where we are really moving in coalition with all of our uh, grassroots partners to advocate for our loved ones that are currently being impacted. Miko: Thank you so much, Robin Gurung, Asian Refugees United and Kao Ye Thao from Hmong Innovating Politics. Thank you so much for being with us here today, and I hope you listeners out there take action to keep our families together, to keep our people in the communities as loved ones where they belong. Thank you all. Have a great night. Swati Rayasam: I'm so grateful that Miko was able to talk to Robin and Kao Ye. And for those who missed it, visit bhutanese refugee rights.org for the most recent updates on the Bhutanese refugees. The press conference in rally Kao Ye mentioned took place last week on August 21st, 2025, but check out the Pardon Refugees Campaign for updates from the coalition supporting Hmong, Cambodian Laotian, Myan, and other refugees facing deportation. Thanks so much for tuning in to Apex Express. Please check out our website at kpfa.org/program/apexexpress to find out more about the show tonight and to find out how you can take direct action. We thank all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating, and sharing your visions with the world. Your voices are important. Apex Express is produced by  Miko Lee, along with Jalena Keene-Lee, Ayame Keene-Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar,  Anuj Vaida, Cheryl Truong, Isabel Li, Ravi Grover, and me Swati Rayasam. Thank you so much to the team at KPFA for their support and have a good night.   The post APEX Express – August 28, 2025 – “And we became stateless again” appeared first on KPFA.

July 17, 2002. Butler County, Pennsylvania. After spending the night partying and drinking, 15-year old Scott Fosnaught and his 15-year old best friend, Shawn Baur, leave a friend's house in order to walk back home during the early morning hours. Shortly thereafter, their bodies are discovered by the side of a rural road and Scott's injuries seem to indicate that he was the victim of a hit-and-run by a vehicle. However, Shawn only has some fatal head wounds and a crushed skull, but since he has no injuries beneath his shoulders, it appears that he was killed in another fashion. This makes the boys' families suspect that their deaths were not an accident, but no suspects are ever identified and the truth about what happened remains unknown. On this week's episode of “The Trail Went Cold”, we explore the baffling unexplained deaths of two teenage boys. In addition, we will also discuss the unsolved 1992 murder of David Hurley, who was shot to death in an apparent road rage incident in neighbouring Allegheny County. Additional Reading: https://archive.triblive.com/news/hit-run-driver-suspected-in-death-of-2-teens/ https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/state-police-butler-county-cold-case-reward/ https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/20-years-since-deaths-of-shawn-baur-and-scott-fosnaught-butler-county/ https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/mother-still-looking-answers-21-years-after-son-friend-killed-rural-butler-county-road/MA3EVNH2N5DHDOE5BMVPLBTAPQ/ https://www.butlereagle.com/20220721/mystery-still-surrounds-deaths-of-two-seneca-valley-teens/ https://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/17/shawn-baur-scott-fosnaught-cold-case-butler-county-cashdollar-road-forward-township/stories/201707170148 https://www.pennlive.com/news/2023/12/accident-or-murder-police-families-still-baffled-by-2002-deaths-of-boys-on-rural-western-pa-road.html https://www.newspapers.com/image/90299670/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/1079296828/ https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/David_Hurley https://unsolved.com/gallery/david-hurley/ https://archive.triblive.com/news/new-leads-emerge-when-old-case-featured-on-tv/ http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=218248 “The Trail Went Cold” is on Patreon. Visit www.patreon.com/thetrailwentcold to become a patron and gain access to our exclusive bonus content. The Trail Went Cold is produced and edited by Magill Foote. All music is composed by Vince Nitro.

We started with more fallout about the Cam Heyward contract ‘dispute' that spurred up yesterday with the All-Pro wanting a pay raise. Fans have gone from loving Heyward and his legacy in Pittsburgh to calling him a ‘diva' and ‘distraction' at training camp. We took some calls on the topic. Chris Boswell is getting out of this scot-free because Cam Heyward is taking up the headlines. How will this work out? More calls. Bucco Minute – 6 shutout innings from Paul Skenes, who is reportedly ‘optimistic' about where the team is going. There was also a man that pooped in a pizza box in Butler County.

Host Tricia Pritchard sits down with Adam Fencil to discuss a diaper and wipe drive that our counties Domestic Relations department is doing to help foster children.Domestic Relations | Butler County, PA

Part 2 of our Butler County series with guest Tommy Hines continues the journey through the county's rich and often dramatic past. We explore the impact of the Civil War, how Butler County navigated its divided loyalties, and the transformation that followed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.https://linktr.ee/Kyhistorypod

Welcome to Part 1 of our deep dive into Butler County, Kentucky with special guest Tommy Hines, Executive Director at South Union Shaker Village. In this episode, we explore the early history and settlement of Butler County. From Native American presence and frontier migration routes to the founding of towns and the evolution of agriculture and trade, Butler County has a rich and layered past. https://linktr.ee/Kyhistorypod

In today’s Trish Regan Show, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is under serious fire after ordering police NOT to cooperate with federal immigration officials—placing him in direct violation of federal law. With President Trump vowing to arrest any official who obstructs the deportation of criminal illegal migrants, Johnson may now face legal consequences. Meanwhile, leaked audio from a heated town hall shows furious Chicago residents demanding the mayor put American citizens first—not illegal migrants. And it's not just Chicago: L.A. Mayor Karen Bass may soon face similar legal jeopardy. PLUS: Former CIA Director John Brennan appears to be unraveling as new investigations loom. Trish breaks it all down. Also: ⚡ Secret Service agents in Butler County, PA placed on leave. ⚡ Trump’s top aide Susie Wiles calls his survival “divine intervention.” ⚡ Joe Biden’s doctor PLEADS THE FIFTH in auto-pen scandal. ⚡ Michelle Obama and Julia Louis-Dreyfus play the victim—Trish asks: What about Riley Gaines and Title IX?

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Host Tricia Pritchard sits down with Joe Smith of the Butler County Bar Association to discuss their Foundation and all of the nonprofits that they support. https://www.butlercountypabar.org/

New charges for the Venezuelan man who posed as a high school student in Toledo; some Butler County sheriff's deputies are authorized to make ICE arrests; the new state budget is going to the governor's desk; Sen. Bernie Moreno wants President Trump to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.

Host Tricia Pritchard sits down with Sarah Lucas to discuss her recent accomplishment of being named the 2025 Butler County Area Vocational-Technical School Student of the Year.Home - Butler County Area Vocational-Technical SchoolFacebook

It’s being hailed as the largest private sector investment in state history. Tech giant Amazon has announced it will spend $20 billion on two data center complexes in Pennsylvania. President Donald Trump has posted on social media about the proposed sale of US Steel of Pittsburgh to Japan-based Nippon. But details are still vague, and a deadline to complete the deal is a week away. A proposal to fund mass transit in Pennsylvania would involve a fee attached to the price for rideshare services, such as Lyft or Uber. With the summer driving season underway, gas prices seem to have settled in for the time being. We have the current trends at the pump. The US Supreme Court has rejected a Republican appeal and left in place a ruling allowing voters in Pennsylvania to cast provisional ballots when their mail-in votes are rejected for not following technical procedures in state law. The justices acted on an appeal filed by the Republican National Committee, the state GOP and the Republican-majority election board in Butler County. A motorcyclist was killed after a police pursuit last Thursday night. Pennsylvania State Police say a West Shore Regional Police officer attempted a traffic stop in Wormleysburg involving a motorcyclist who police say committed numerous traffic offenses. The midstate is resembling a mini-United Nations this week. Harrisburg University is hosting a delegation from the European Union. The health of the Chesapeake Bay declined over the past year, according to an annual report card issued by the University of Maryland Center for Environmental Science. The University gave the bay a C. Support WITF: https://www.witf.org/support/give-now/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Willie talks to Mike Cline, the cousin of a man killed in OTR over the weekend due to low police presence. Also Sheriff Richard K Jones explains why a local kids was arrested for deportation in Butler County. Finally Senator John Husted comments on the LA riots.

Willie talks to Mike Cline, the cousin of a man killed in OTR over the weekend due to low police presence. Also Sheriff Richard K Jones explains why a local kids was arrested for deportation in Butler County. Finally Senator John Husted comments on the LA riots.

Willie talks to Mike Cline, the cousin of a man killed in OTR over the weekend due to low police presence. Also Sheriff Richard K Jones explains why a local kids was arrested for deportation in Butler County. Finally Senator John Husted comments on the LA riots.

Either Dan Bongino and Kash Patel are corrupt liars or they are lying because they have been made to fear. There is no option where they are telling the truth and we all know it. So what then?Introduction* Opening Remarks (00:00:00 - 00:02:21)* The hosts, self-described as the "two kings of the Rube Empire," introduce the episode with a fiery tone, labeling themselves right-wing extremists, supernaturalists, and Christian bigots.* The Philosopher King holds 51% of the power, while the Iron King is the "people's champ" and hosts the show with unfiltered energy due to Dusty's absence.* The hosts emphasize their Christian faith, with the Iron King declaring his love for Jesus Christ and urging listeners to follow Him.* Tone is set for a candid, no-holds-barred discussion, promising to "give it straight with no chaser."Main Topics Discussed* Criticism of Dan Bongino and Kash Patel (00:00:01 - 00:22:10)* Context: The hosts express frustration with conservative figures Dan Bongino and Kash Patel for statements made on a Sunday talk show (possibly CBS) regarding Jeffrey Epstein's death and the Butler County shooter.* Epstein's Death (00:10:43 - 00:17:18)* Bongino and Patel claimed Epstein killed himself, which the hosts vehemently reject, citing well-known inconsistencies:* Epstein was in a suicide-proof cell with paper sheets.* Cameras malfunctioned, and guards fell asleep, later being exonerated.* Three neck bones were broken, unusual for a suicide.* A cell phone was found in his possession, and his cellmate allegedly tried to kill him.* The hosts mock the "trust the files" narrative, referencing Steven Crowder's breakdown of the impossibility of Epstein's suicide.* They argue this reflects either coercion or complicity, highlighting the power of the "deep state."* Butler County Shooter (00:21:50 - 00:24:36)* Bongino and Patel dismissed conspiracy theories about the shooter, Matthew Thomas Crooks, claiming he acted alone.* The hosts counter with suspicious details:* Crooks' house was wiped clean, and his parents were heavily lawyered up.* His parents were psychologists, potentially linked to CIA-like manipulation.* A call to FBI headquarters was traced to his phone.* Security failures included an understaffed Secret Service, a sloped roof left unguarded, and CNN's rare coverage of the Trump rally that day.* They suggest an orchestrated assassination attempt meant to spark civil unrest, foiled by divine intervention.* Key Takeaway: The hosts view these statements as evidence of a controlled narrative, undermining trust in conservative leaders and exposing the impotence of political figures against systemic corruption.* Distrust in the System and Political Figures (00:18:51 - 00:29:00)* The hosts argue that the presidency and government are powerless against a "deep state" pulling the strings, using an Avenged Sevenfold music video as a metaphor for unseen powers controlling politicians.* They criticize the blind loyalty to figures like Trump, emphasizing that no politician can save America—only Christ can.* The hosts reject the "lesser of two evils" voting argument and lament the lack of principled leaders like Patrick Henry.* They cite Thomas Massie as a rare principled politician who achieves little due to systemic resistance, reinforcing their view that the government is not for the people.* Critique of Political Labels and Conservatism (00:07:35 - 00:09:30)* Referencing Joel Webbin's podcast, the hosts argue there are no true conservatives in government, only "liberals and liberals."* They identify as Christian nationalists, prioritizing biblical principles like truthfulness over political allegiance.* They express frustration with Republicans who attack principled critics rather than addressing systemic lies.* Societal Decline and Spiritual Perspective (00:04:19 - 00:05:55)* The hosts compare America's state to a self-implosion, likening it to biblical Judah facing internal collapse rather than external invasion.* They draw parallels to Elijah's time under Ahab and Jezebel, positioning themselves as voices crying out in the wilderness against a corrupt system.* The Minor Prophets provide "copium" for dealing with a seemingly lost cause, reinforcing their belief that only Christ, not human government, offers salvation.* Positive Developments and White Pills (00:15:21 - 00:19:00, 01:04:50 - 01:05:46)* Policy Wins: The hosts praise RFK Jr. for removing food dyes and challenging the ineffective HHS, as well as Trump for passing no tax on tips, though they push for broader tax reform like eliminating income tax.* Cultural Shifts: They highlight the rise in homeschooling and Christian schools as signs of a growing resistance to secular propaganda, attributing this to divine providence.* Incremental Change: While acknowledging small victories, they urge listeners not to settle, criticizing Republicans who celebrate minimal progress without pushing further.* Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson's Spiritual Awakening (01:13:31 - 01:20:02)* The hosts cite Joe Rogan attending a Protestant church and Tucker Carlson reading the Bible as evidence of a cultural shift toward Christianity.* Rogan, once dismissive of Christians, now sees the need for Jesus, influenced by guests like Wes Huff and Dave Smith.* Carlson's journey from atheism to faith further illustrates God's movement in influential figures.* This "mustard seed" growth of faith in prominent voices gives hope that God is working despite systemic corruption.* Call to Action for Christians (01:07:49 - 01:13:02)* The hosts reject withdrawing from society or violent rebellion, instead advocating for a long-term strategy of faithful Christian living:* Raise families to love Jesus, build strong churches, and spread faith organically.* Example: A friend running for mayor of Orlando, driven by faith, exemplifies local impact.* They emphasize that faith in Christ, not the system, will restore society, likening it to the kingdom of God growing like a mustard seed.* Evangelistic Appeal (01:20:06 - 01:25:56)* The hosts directly address non-believers, arguing that the world's evil reflects human sinfulness, which only Christ can redeem.* They challenge the notion of morality without God, asserting that evil (e.g., Epstein's actions) is only recognizable because of God's standard.* They call listeners to submit to Jesus, the only perfect founder of faith, for personal and societal transformation.Key Themes* Distrust in Institutions: The hosts view the government, FBI, and mainstream media as irredeemably corrupt, controlled by unseen forces.* Christian Faith as the Solution: They repeatedly affirm that only Jesus Christ, not political figures or systems, can save individuals and society.* Critique of Blind Loyalty: They challenge the idolization of politicians like Trump, urging listeners to prioritize principles over personalities.* Hope in Divine Providence: Despite systemic failures, the hosts see God moving through cultural shifts (e.g., Rogan, Carlson) and grassroots efforts (e.g., homeschooling).* Long-Term Faithfulness: They advocate for incremental, faith-driven change through strong families and churches, rejecting quick fixes or violence.Notable Quotes* On Epstein's Death: “You want me to believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Because just trust me, bro, I read the files.” (00:13:51)* On the System: “Trump's not in control of the country right now, guys. Sorry. He's not.” (00:19:00)* On Faith: “Faith belongs in only one place. That's Jesus Christ.” (01:12:03)* On Hope: “God will not be mocked. God is taking the number one and two voices in podcasting and turning them to Jesus.” (01:17:04)* On Evangelism: “What are you waiting for? What else do you need to see in 2025 at this point?” (01:20:27)Cultural References* Alex Jones: Quoted for his blunt style: “Don't crap and piss on me and tell me it's raining.” (00:03:18)* Avenged Sevenfold: Music video “The Stage” used to illustrate hidden powers controlling politicians. (00:19:14)* Lord of the Rings: The ring's destruction symbolizes the system's eventual collapse through its own corruption. (01:06:42)* The Matrix: Boomers are likened to those plugged into the Matrix, needing to wake up to reality. (01:00:23)* Narnia: “Aslan's on the move” as a metaphor for God's active work. (01:07:38)* Ghostbusters: “Cats and dogs living together” humorously describes the chaotic cultural shift. (01:20:02)Verse of the Day* Matthew 25:31-32: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne and all nations will be gathered before Him. He will separate them one from another, just as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”* Context: Emphasizes Jesus' ultimate authority and judgment, reinforcing the hosts' focus on His sovereignty.Closing Prayer (01:27:54 - 01:28:47)* The Iron King prays for listeners to seek righteousness, rely on Jesus, and raise families to love Him.* Prays for safety for Dusty in Chicago and the hosts' travels, asking for God's blessing on the “Rube Nation.”Call to Action* Visit kingsplaining.com or kingsplaining.substack.com for more content.* Like, share, subscribe, and comment to support the podcast.* Buy merchandise to help grow the show.* Spread the word fearlessly: “Be not afraid. Be of good cheer. Take heart.” (01:29:24)Final Notes* The episode is a passionate, unfiltered critique of political and cultural failures, balanced with a hopeful call to Christian faithfulness.* The hosts' raw style, humor, and biblical worldview aim to awaken listeners to systemic corruption while pointing to Jesus as the ultimate hope. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit kingsplaining.substack.com/subscribe

On The Sal Greco Show episode 95, we will be discussing public safety and the aftermath of what happened in the attempted assassination of President Trump with US Marine Combat Veteran, Trump elector, and Mayor Of Slipper Rock, Butler County PA Jon David LongoSalvatore "Sal" Greco is a Former 14 year New York Police Department (NYPD) veteran, and a Sicilian-American. Being a strict fitness enthusiast, food connoisseur, and cigar aficionado Sal is no stranger to the Good and Evil in our lives. His origin story began with food industry work and a love for how it brought everyone together.Follow Sal:https://twitter.com/TheSalGrecohttps://www.instagram.com/thesalgrecohttps://tiktok.com/TheSalGrecoShowFollow Mayor Jon David Longo :https://twitter.com/JonDavidRLongo

Southwest Ohio feds say they've arrested an MS-13 gang member who is here illegally; DNA testing identified a Cuyahoga County John Doe; NWS confirms an EF-0 tornado touched down in Butler County earlier this month; Lt. Governor Tressel spent some time with OSU football players.

There is a project in the works, called EZConnect, to improve interregional transportation services. The project aims to provide individuals with disabilities a way to travel between counties that have different transit agency service areas– For instance, a trip from the Butler County Courthouse, in Butler County, to the VA Read More Shared by United Resource Connection April 25, 2025

The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 1: 3:05pm- A 38-year-old Harrisburg man was charged with setting fire to the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion. According to reports, the man threw two Molotov cocktails into the residence and planned to beat Governor Josh Shapiro with a hammer. Thankfully, Shapiro and his family were unharmed. President Donald Trump condemned the act and stated: “A thing like that cannot be allowed to happen.” Meanwhile, late last week, Shawn Monper—a man from Butler County, Pennsylvania—was charged with threatening to kill President Donald Trump and Elon Musk in videos posted to his YouTube channel “Mr. Satan.” Monper allegedly began purchasing guns after Trump's inauguration. 3:15pm- During an interview with CNN's “MisinfoNation” with host Donie O'Sullivan, former Washington Post and New York Times reporter Taylor Lorenz referred to Luigi Mangione as a “morally good man.” Mangione has been charged with assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thomas. In the past, Lorenz has baselessly suggested that Thomas and his company were guilty of murder for denying healthcare coverage. Last week, when questioned by the press, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer declined to condemn violence against Tesla vehicles and their drivers—instead opting to condemn Elon Musk's work on behalf of the Trump Administration. Why isn't the left vociferously condemning politically motivated violence in America? 3:30pm- While speaking with the press from the Oval Office alongside President Donald Trump, El Salvador President Nayib Bukele revealed that he has no plans to return Abrego Garcia who was deported to El Salvador after the Trump Administration determined he was in the U.S. illegally and a member of the gang MS-13. In a recent ruling, the Supreme Court determined that Garcia's deportation was, in part, the result of an “administrative error” and that he should be returned to the United States—though, after the error is corrected, the man would ultimately be eligible for deportation anyway. While speaking with the press, Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller denied an administrative error ever occurred. The Trump Administration also noted that because Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador, they have no recourse if Bukele denies their request for release. Weekday afternoons on Talk Radio 1210 WPHT, Rich Zeoli gives the expert analysis and humorous take that we need in this crazy political climate. Along with Executive Producer Matt DeSantis and Justin Otero, the Zeoli show is the next generation of talk radio and you can be a part of it weekday afternoons 3-7pm.

The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (04/14/2025): 3:05pm- A 38-year-old Harrisburg man was charged with setting fire to the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion. According to reports, the man threw two Molotov cocktails into the residence and planned to beat Governor Josh Shapiro with a hammer. Thankfully, Shapiro and his family were unharmed. President Donald Trump condemned the act and stated: “A thing like that cannot be allowed to happen.” Meanwhile, late last week, Shawn Monper—a man from Butler County, Pennsylvania—was charged with threatening to kill President Donald Trump and Elon Musk in videos posted to his YouTube channel “Mr. Satan.” Monper allegedly began purchasing guns after Trump's inauguration. 3:15pm- During an interview with CNN's “MisinfoNation” with host Donie O'Sullivan, former Washington Post and New York Times reporter Taylor Lorenz referred to Luigi Mangione as a “morally good man.” Mangione has been charged with assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thomas. In the past, Lorenz has baselessly suggested that Thomas and his company were guilty of murder for denying healthcare coverage. Last week, when questioned by the press, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer declined to condemn violence against Tesla vehicles and their drivers—instead opting to condemn Elon Musk's work on behalf of the Trump Administration. Why isn't the left vociferously condemning politically motivated violence in America? 3:30pm- While speaking with the press from the Oval Office alongside President Donald Trump, El Salvador President Nayib Bukele revealed that he has no plans to return Abrego Garcia who was deported to El Salvador after the Trump Administration determined he was in the U.S. illegally and a member of the gang MS-13. In a recent ruling, the Supreme Court determined that Garcia's deportation was, in part, the result of an “administrative error” and that he should be returned to the United States—though, after the error is corrected, the man would ultimately be eligible for deportation anyway. While speaking with the press, Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller denied an administrative error ever occurred. The Trump Administration also noted that because Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador, they have no recourse if Bukele denies their request for release. 4:00pm- Bill D'Agostino—Senior Research Analyst at Media Research Center—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to breakdown some of the best (and worst) clips from corporate media: a Boston Globe senior opinion writer compares the modern American economy to the 1930s, Dana Bash insists CNN doesn't hate America, Taylor Lorenz describes the man responsible for assassinating healthcare CEO Brian Thomas as “morally good,” and Democrats STILL (somehow) want Kamala Harris to be their presidential candidate in 2028. 4:30pm- Appearing on ABC News, sports broadcaster Stephen A. Smith said he has “no choice” but to at least consider a presidential run in 2028. Rich notes that he has no chance of winning a primary contest—because he isn't sufficiently “woke” for Democrat voters. On his podcast, Bill Maher argued that the Democrat Party has gone too far placating the “woke”—and it risks making the party “irrelevant.” 4:50pm- Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin aerospace company sent an all-female crew into space on Monday—including pop singer Katy Perry! In a clip that has gone viral on social media, Perry tells a journalist about how she reads about string theory in her spare time…but it's hilariously clear she has no idea what she's talking about. 5:05pm- According to a report from NJ.com, the New Jersey Education Association (NJEA) has contributed $22.25 million to benefit Sean Spiller's NJ gubernatorial campaign. Spiller, who didn't have enough state-wide support to qualify for two upcoming Democrat primary debates, is a former high school science biology teacher who also leads the NJEA. He earns $370,000 per year. Rich wonders: how is this legal? 5:25pm- Montage: Every year, since ...

A man was arrested for publicly threatening an assassination, and apparently the only connection with Satanism is his online name. But that probably won't stop people from asking us about it, so Bill offers his thoughts on the story. Also, answering listener questions on Church of Satan media appearances, Google searches on Satanism, and a Satanic look at 12-step programs. 00:00 - Intro 01:05 - "Mr. Satan" Shawn Monper: Good riddance 06:27 - Speaking of stupid... 06:54 - Church of Satan on Joe Rogan? 13:44 - Google Search results on "Satanism" 24:58 - Satanecdote 27:05 - 12-step programs and their alternatives 36:22 - A more uplifting note

The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (04/11/2025): 3:05pm- U.S.-China Trade Feud Escalates: Earlier this week, President Donald Trump increased reciprocal tariffs on Chinese imports to 145%—citing the country's adoption of unfair trade practices and its role in fentanyl distribution. In response, China announced that it will be placing a 125% on American imports. Trump Administration Trade Representative Jamieson Greer called the decision “not terribly surprising but certainly unfortunate.” Rich emphasizes that President Trump “needs to announce deals” in order to calm markets and allow the administration to focus its efforts on remedying Chinese trade predations. 3:10pm- On Friday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said “the phones are ringing off the hook” with U.S. trade partners seeking to discuss retooled agreements. Yesterday, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said he had been in contact with as many as 75 nations—and he plans to begin negotiations in the coming days. 3:20pm- While appearing on Fox News, Acting U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey Alina Habba revealed that she has directed her office to investigate Governor Phil Murphy (D-NJ) over the state's refusal to assist federal immigration enforcement officials. 3:40pm- On Friday, President Donald Trump expressed interest in making Daylight Saving Time permanent. In a post to Truth Social, he wrote: “The House and Senate should push hard for more Daylight at the end of a day. Very popular and, most importantly, no more changing of the clocks, a big inconvenience and, for our government, A VERY COSTLY EVENT!!!” Rich jokes that Trump will simply send Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to negotiate with the sun for an additional hour of daylight—after successfully negotiating new trade deals with Vietnam and Japan, of course. 4:05pm- BREAKING NEWS: Louisiana immigration Judge Jamee Comans determined that she has no authority to question Secretary of State Marco Rubio's decision to deport Mahmoud Khalil——a former Columbia University graduate student and a non-U.S. citizen—who has been outspoken about his support for the terrorist organization Hamas and ending Western civilization. Khalil has until April 23rd to request a stay on his deportation. He will be deported to either Syria or Algeria. 4:30pm- According to a report from ABC27 News, Shawn Monper—a man from Butler County, Pennsylvania—has been charged with threatening to kill President Donald Trump and Elon Musk in videos posted to his YouTube channel “Mr. Satan.” Monper allegedly began purchasing guns after Trump's inauguration. 4:50pm- While visiting Rome, Italy, Queen Camilla was presented with a Margherita pizza to celebrate her 20th wedding anniversary. However, Rich, Matt, and Justin are disturbed…the pizza doesn't look very good! 5:00pm- Dr. Victoria Coates— Former Deputy National Security Advisor & the Vice President of the Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy at The Heritage Foundation—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to discuss an Axios piece baselessly attacking William Ruger, who was recently appointed to the position of Deputy Director of National Intelligence by Director Tulsi Gabbard. Plus, Dr. Coates weighs-in on the Trump Administration's tariff confrontation with China, a report that China was responsible for cyberattacks on American infrastructure, and NATO warning that Russia could cut undersea cables triggering—what some have described—as a “worldwide internet blackout.” Dr. Coates is author of the book: “The Battle for the Jewish State: How Israel—and America—Can Win” which features a forward from Senator Ted Cruz. You can find the book here: https://a.co/d/iTMA4Vb. 5:40pm- While speaking with podcaster Adam Carolla, actor Josh Duhmal revealed that people flip him off because he drives a Tesla Cybertruck! He emphasized that he isn't political and just likes the car. PLUS: Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX) continues to espouse nonsense, Rep. Al Green ( ...

The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 2: 4:05pm- BREAKING NEWS: Louisiana immigration Judge Jamee Comans determined that she has no authority to question Secretary of State Marco Rubio's decision to deport Mahmoud Khalil——a former Columbia University graduate student and a non-U.S. citizen—who has been outspoken about his support for the terrorist organization Hamas and ending Western civilization. Khalil has until April 23rd to request a stay on his deportation. He will be deported to either Syria or Algeria. 4:30pm- According to a report from ABC27 News, Shawn Monper—a man from Butler County, Pennsylvania—has been charged with threatening to kill President Donald Trump and Elon Musk in videos posted to his YouTube channel “Mr. Satan.” Monper allegedly began purchasing guns after Trump's inauguration. 4:50pm- While visiting Rome, Italy, Queen Camilla was presented with a Margherita pizza to celebrate her 20th wedding anniversary. However, Rich, Matt, and Justin are disturbed…the pizza doesn't look very good! Weekday afternoons on Talk Radio 1210 WPHT, Rich Zeoli gives the expert analysis and humorous take that we need in this crazy political climate. Along with Executive Producer Matt DeSantis and Justin Otero, the Zeoli show is the next generation of talk radio and you can be a part of it weekday afternoons 3-7pm.

"Good Evening: The show begins with Salena Zito in Butler County, PA, where small businesses are looking forward to a successful year." 1913 Gettysburg CBS EYE ON THE WORLD WITH JOHN BATCHELOR FIRST HOUR 9:00-9:15: KEYSTONEREPORT: POSITIVE SMALL BIZ IN BUTLER COUNTY Guest: Salena Zito (Middle of Somewhere, @DCExaminer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, New York Post) 9:15-9:30: PACIFICWATCH/VEGASREPORT: HOLLYWOOD 2.0; ARMADILLO MLB STADIUM Guest: @JCBliss 9:30-9:45: SMALLBUSINESSAMERICA: ORDER BOOKS LOOK GOOD Guest: @GeneMarks (@Guardian @PhillyInquirer) 9:45-10:00: SMALLBUSINESSAMERICA: DOGE APPROVED Guest: @GeneMarks (@Guardian @PhillyInquirer) SECOND HOUR 10:00-10:15: OCEANIA: AMERICAN SAMOA, GUAM, NORTHERN MARIANAS AT RISK (Part 1/2) Guest: Cleo Paskal, FDD 10:15-10:30: OCEANIA: AMERICAN SAMOA, GUAM, NORTHERN MARIANAS AT RISK (Part 2/2) Guest: Cleo Paskal, FDD 10:30-10:45: UKRAINE: SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS AND WAR-STAGING Guest: [Guest name not provided] 10:45-11:00: NATO: BUYING US NUKES FOR GERMANY Guest: Henry Sokolski, NPEC THIRD HOUR Book Discussion: "The Noble State: Governance Options in an Ignoble Era" by Gregory R. Copley 11:00-11:15: Part 1/4 11:15-11:30: Part 2/4 11:30-11:45: Part 3/4 11:45-12:00: Part 4/4 FOURTH HOUR 12:00-12:15: LANCASTER REPORT: SLOWER, EMPTY STOREFRONTS Guest: Jim McTague (Former Washington Editor, Barrons, @McTagueJ) Author of "The Martin and Twyla Boundary Series" 12:15-12:30: ITALY: NO TROOPS FOR DEPLOYMENT Guest: Lorenzo Fiori, Milan 12:30-12:45: SPACEX: FIRST STAGE CAPTURED, SECOND STAGE RUD Guest: Bob Zimmerman (BehindTheBlack.com) 12:45-1:00 AM: VOYAGER SLOWLY SHUTTING DOWN Guest: Bob Zimmerman (BehindTheBlack.com)

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Butler County has confirmed its first bird flu case. Fatal overdoses are falling in Pennsylvania. Someone out there's the owner of a $3 million scratch-off. And there's some Tush Pushback going on in the NFL.

Willie discusses recent dog bite case with Hamilton County Coroner Dr Lakshmi Sammarco. Also Curtis Houck from News Busters breaks down the lack of honest coverage of DOGE from the mainstream press. Finally Sheriff Richard K Jones from Butler County explains why he is housing illegal immigrants for $68 per day.

Willie discusses recent dog bite case with Hamilton County Coroner Dr Lakshmi Sammarco. Also Curtis Houck from News Busters breaks down the lack of honest coverage of DOGE from the mainstream press. Finally Sheriff Richard K Jones from Butler County explains why he is housing illegal immigrants for $68 per day.

Willie discusses recent dog bite case with Hamilton County Coroner Dr Lakshmi Sammarco. Also Curtis Houck from News Busters breaks down the lack of honest coverage of DOGE from the mainstream press. Finally Sheriff Richard K Jones from Butler County explains why he is housing illegal immigrants for $68 per day.

Ep 304 - Butler County: Teddy Franks, Eugene Sauer, Beverly Krause Three cold cases from Butler County. Teddy Franks leapt from a moving car to escape an unknown foe, and was never seen again. Eugene Sauer's bullet-ridden body was found next to his car along a state route. And a Jane Doe was given to the wrong family to bury until a detective in the future discovered her true identity. www.ohiomysteries.com feedback@ohiomysteries.com www.patreon.com/ohiomysteries www.twitter.com/mysteriesohio www.facebook.com/ohiomysteries Additional music: New Horizon - Aderin; Audionautix- The Great Unknown; The Great Phospher- Daniel Birch New Horizon by ADERIN https://soundcloud.com/andrei-burcea-20972653  Creative Commons — Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported — CC BY-SA 3.0  Free Download / Stream: https://www.audiolibrary.com.co/aderin/new-horizon  Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/qcJMMr-HR8Q Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

27 years of combination experience. Chief of Fire and Emergency Services for Cranberry Township. Scott got into the emergency services field from his father but it was the EMS route which led Scott to finding his passion with public safety starting out as a junior Firefighter. Scott believes in empowering individuals to be better versions of themselves. Scott also had a hand in forming the Standard Actions for Emergency Response group (SAFER) within Butler county in which 5 different Fire Departments teamed up to operate incident command jointly when it comes to emergency calls within the area. Scott has a vision of trying to provide the best service possible to the citizens and all who come into Butler County.

Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones has been elected six times and throughout each of his six terms, he's had a consistent and bold message on immigration and enforcing the law against illegal migrants. Here's my full conversation with him as he makes moves to aid the second Trump administration with illegal migrant detention and deportation in Butler County, Ohio.

#KeystoneReport: Butler County rising. Salena Zito, Middle of Somewhere, @DCExaminer Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, New York Post, SalenaZito.com 1919 Ohio River at Pittsburgh

"PREVIEW: BUTLER COUNTY: Colleague Salena Zito reports that Lourenco Goncalves, CEO of Cleveland-Cliffs, is the second bidder for U.S. Steel and is ready to complete the offer once Nippon Steel steps away . More tonight." 1890 Erie Railroad

Willie gets an update on the state of Butler County with Butler County Sheriff Richard K Jones.

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The conversation revolves around the Daniel Penny case involving the death of Jordan Neely on a New York subway. Penny, a Marine veteran, was accused of using excessive force in restraining Neely, who was threatening passengers. The trial, which is ongoing, has been complicated by public opinion and media portrayal. Key points include Neely's history of violence and drug use, Penny's use of a chokehold, and the impact of Neely's health conditions. The defense argues that Penny's actions were justified self-defense, while the prosecution emphasizes the duration and method of the restraint. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of public perception and legal nuances in such cases. The conversation revolves around the moral implications of suspending the Constitution for perceived greater good, as depicted in the movie "National Treasure." Speakers discuss the subliminal message that it's acceptable to break rules if it serves a higher purpose, such as protecting the Declaration of Independence. They also touch on the recent Butler County vote-counting incident in Pennsylvania and the broader issue of constitutional integrity. Additionally, the discussion includes a promotional segment for PJ's coffee and Second Round Bakery, and a brief mention of Trump appointing Cash Patel as Deputy Director of the FBI, with some expressing disappointment that they didn't get the Director position.

Two state senators have challenged the right of U.S. citizens living abroad to cast votes in federal races.  The country's highest court has sided with Butler County voters whose provisional ballots were challenged by Republicans this past spring.  On the final Sunday of a rollercoaster presidential contest, Republican nominee Donald Trump is asking voters in Pennsylvania again to make him leader of what he falsely claims is a “failed nation.”  Only a handful of races will determine control of the U.S. House. The 10th District race between Republican incumbent Scott Perry and Democratic challenger Janelle Stelson is one of them.  The state Attorney General's office is now working with Berks, Lancaster, Monroe, and York to investigate allegedly fraudulent voter registration forms submitted at the deadline late last month. Carter Walker from Votebeat provides some context to what's happening.Support WITF: https://www.witf.org/support/give-now/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Republicans have discovered ONE WEIRD TRICK to win elections, and it is for the legislatures to steal all the electoral votes. Or if that can't be arranged, they'd accept an intervention from SCOTUS. We'll discuss the independent state legislature theory, as well as Trump's latest filing in the stolen documents appeal.   Links:   Musk Petition https://petition.theamericapac.org/   Pennsylvania v. America PAC complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25255630-philly-v-musk    Pennsylvania SCT appeal (Genser v. Butler County) https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25255962/scotus-24a408-stay-application-pa.pdf   5th Circuit provisional ballots case (RNC v. Wetzel) https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/24/24-60395-CV0.pdf   US v. Trump (11th Circuit appeal) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68955302/united-states-v-donald-trump/   US v. Trump (SDFL documents case) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67643393/united-states-v-trump/   28 CFR § 600.1 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.1   Inside the Movement Behind Trump's Election Lies https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/28/us/politics/inside-the-movement-behind-trumps-election-lies.html Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod

Send Kris and Rob a Text Message!The Angel of Death: The Chilling Case of Donald Harvey In the latest episode of Hitched 2 Homicide, we delve into the terrifying case of Donald Harvey, a man who went from hospital orderly to one of the most prolific serial killers in American history. With an estimated 70 victims, Harvey's heinous crimes spanned hospitals in Ohio and Kentucky, earning him the chilling moniker, "The Angel of Death."Who Was Donald Harvey?Donald Harvey seemed like an ordinary hospital worker—quiet, unassuming, and polite. Born in Butler County, Ohio, in 1952, Harvey began his medical career in 1970 as an orderly at Marymount Hospital in London, Kentucky. Little did anyone know, this seemingly gentle man would soon embark on a 17-year killing spree that would leave a trail of devastation.The Killing Spree BeginsHarvey's murder spree started just a few months after he began working at Marymount Hospital. He later claimed his first murder was an act of "mercy killing," but it quickly spiraled into a terrifying habit. Harvey was adept at exploiting his access to patients, using a variety of methods including poison, suffocation, and tampering with medical equipment.As he moved between hospitals in Ohio and Kentucky, Harvey's body count steadily increased. He took advantage of the hospital environment, where death is often expected, to carry out his crimes without raising suspicion.How Did He Get Away with It for So Long?You might be wondering how Harvey managed to evade detection for nearly two decades. Hospitals in the 1970s and 1980s had far fewer checks and balances, making it easier for someone like Harvey to slip through the cracks. Additionally, his victims' deaths were often attributed to natural causes or underlying health conditions, allowing him to remain undetected for years.The Arrest and ConfessionIn 1987, a hospital worker noticed a foul odor coming from a patient's body. This led to an autopsy that revealed traces of cyanide, which eventually pointed to Harvey. He confessed to killing 37 people but later suggested the number could be as high as 70.Harvey's trial resulted in a life sentence without the possibility of parole, bringing a long-awaited end to his reign of terror. But for the families of his victims, the damage was already done.Listen to the Full Episode NowFor more chilling details, theories, and discussion, tune in to the latest episode of Hitched 2 Homicide. You won't want to miss this deep dive into one of America's most infamous medical murderers.Sources used for this podcastSupport the showJOIN THE HITCHED 2 HOMICIDE IN-LAWS AND OUTLAWSSTART KRIS CALVERT'S BOOKS TODAY FOR FREEH2H WEBSITEH2H on TWITTERH2H on INSTA

Watch The X22 Report On Video No videos found Click On Picture To See Larger PictureThe country is now preparing for the rate cut, the fake news and the corrupt politicians will push the narrative that the economy is incredible. It will be for a couple of weeks, then the economy will begin to have problems and the market show signs of weakness. Rig for Red.The evidence is now coming out, the people are learning that the [DS] is involved in sex trafficking, child trafficking pedophilia, blackmail etc. There is now panic in DC. Trump will release the declas that will confirm it all. Trump lets the [DS] know that the election will be to big to rig, they can try but they will realize they will not be able to cheat with the ballots. Trump sends another warning about election manipulation. (function(w,d,s,i){w.ldAdInit=w.ldAdInit||[];w.ldAdInit.push({slot:13499335648425062,size:[0, 0],id:"ld-7164-1323"});if(!d.getElementById(i)){var j=d.createElement(s),p=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0];j.async=true;j.src="//cdn2.customads.co/_js/ajs.js";j.id=i;p.parentNode.insertBefore(j,p);}})(window,document,"script","ld-ajs"); Economy https://twitter.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1835807046718960076   listings, elevated interest rates, and extremely high prices. Many buyers are waiting for borrowing costs to decline which has resulted in a stagnant market. This “lock-in effect” prevented the sale of about 1.7 million homes between Q2 2022 and Q2 2024, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Everyone is waiting for lower rates.   4736 Sep 17, 2020 5:02:29 PM EDT Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: 30d223 No. 10685518  RIG FOR RED. Q Political/Rights https://twitter.com/LizCrokin/status/1835996613321322699   Tom Pritzker is the chairman and owner of the Hyatt Hotels Corporation. He was close with Epstein and allegedly raped Virginia Giuffre after Epstein trafficked her to him. Now get this: Last year I reported Pritzker had a scheduled meeting with Epstein and Bill Gates at the same Park Hyatt Hotel in New York City in 2014. You know what they say, fate loves irony! As I've been saying, Diddy is tied to Epstein and his alleged sex trafficker Rachel Chandler. Diddy's arrest is way bigger than you can imagine — it's the one domino that can take down the whole diseased house of cards! https://twitter.com/deluxe_pepe/status/1835997869372833860 https://twitter.com/FedupWithSwamp/status/1836007550333927514 https://twitter.com/qaggnews/status/1836102075417268351   https://twitter.com/718Tv/status/1835831012644810864 https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1836031722300813658 https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1836053289495900601 https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1836025152229822659   (likely orchestrated by anti-Trump apparatchiks) 5) Media keep flooding the zone w/ the original fake news anyway Stats: As you can see from the first chart, the corporate media spent at least 350 hours circulating the "bomb threats" story (note that these "bomb threats" reference came amidst a mention of "Trump"). Last night, Ohio Gov. DeWine announced the bomb threats were all hoaxes. And yet as of this morning, only 3 hours were spent last night announcing the hoax (vs. 35 hours yesterday discussing the original "bomb threats" story), and thus far today only 1 hour announcing they were hoaxes, vs. another 11 hours circulating the original fake news. https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1836081974613815363 https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1835823860895404062 Butler County, Ohio Sheriff Richard Jones Sounds the Alarm on Invasion of Illegals: “Every State Is a Border State”  In a fiery speech released last week to the people of Butler County, Sheriff Richard Jones didn't mince words about the growing illegal immigration crisis. Pointing specifically to nearby Springfield, Ohio, the sheriff warned of a quiet invasion that threate...

Trish Regan reports on a new poll out of Michigan is making Kamala and the Dems very nervous. Meanwhile, Senator Blumenthal just made a shocking admission about the near tragedy for Trump in Butler County, PA. You need to hear this. 

Willie discusses election security with Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose, why Butler County has to charge shop owners who were victims of mass shoplifting for extra security with Butler County Sheriff Richard K Jones, and what will happen in the election with the American people.

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When Congress returned to work after the Republican National Convention, the House held three hearings investigating the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump. In this episode, hear for yourself the facts presented by the Director of the Secret Service, the Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner, and the FBI Director during their 15 hours of testimony. Please Support Congressional Dish – Quick Links Contribute monthly or a lump sum via Support Congressional Dish via (donations per episode) Send Zelle payments to: Donation@congressionaldish.com Send Venmo payments to: @Jennifer-Briney Send Cash App payments to: $CongressionalDish or Donation@congressionaldish.com Use your bank's online bill pay function to mail contributions to: Please make checks payable to Congressional Dish Thank you for supporting truly independent media! Background Sources Recommended Congressional Dish Episodes Cheatle's Failures Rep. James Comer and Rep. Jamie Raskin. July 22, 2024. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability. Julia Reinstein et al. July 16, 2024. ABC News. Would-be Assassin Emily Cochrane et al. July 19, 2024. The New York Times. Bernd Debusmann et al. July 19, 2024. BBC. Gaza Death Toll Rasha Khatib. July 20, 2024. The Lancet, Volume 404, Issue 10449. Audio Sources July 24, 2024 House Committee on the Judiciary Witnesses: Christopher Wray, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation Clips Time stamps correspond to C-SPAN version 31:20 Christopher Wray: I'm told that the father purchased the firearm in 2013, so quite a while ago, and then he sold it to his son in October of 2023. 43:05 Christopher Wray: The reason why I've talked about how we think he got on the roof is that's based our evidence response to forensic analysis. Without getting into all the details, footprints, fingerprints, et cetera, that we can see how he got on. But we don't have an eyewitness at the moment who saw him climbing up. 43:25 Christopher Wray: A few minutes before the shooting, local law enforcement saw him on the roof. Again, no weapon identified at that point. A few seconds before the shooting is when the law enforcement officer that I've talked about already, the one who was assisted by another officer who saw up on the roof, saw the shooter in a prone shooting position with the gun. He turns… Rep. Barry Moore (R-AL): How long did that happen before? Christopher Wray: That sighting, that is the first time, to my knowledge, the first time anybody from law enforcement saw him with a weapon. That is seconds before he shot at President Trump. July 24, 2024 House Committee on the Judiciary Witnesses: Christopher Wray, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation Clips Time stamps correspond to C-SPAN version 25:30 Christopher Wray: We have recovered eight cartridges on the roof. 28:05 Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Have you developed any evidence to so suggest that there are any accomplices or cooperators or assisters? Christopher Wray: Not at this time, but again, the investigation is ongoing. 36:10 Christopher Wray: So we have recovered a drone that the shooter appears to have used. It's being exploited and analyzed by the FBI lab. The drone was recovered in his vehicle, so at the time of the shooting, the drone was in his vehicle with the controller. In addition, our investigation has uncovered -- Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Do you know what time of day he flew it and if he flew it on the day of the shooting? Christopher Wray: So in addition, it appears that around 3:50-4:00PM, in that window, on the day of the shooting, that the shooter was flying the drone around the area. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Two hours before? Christopher Wray: I want to be clear about when I say the area, not over the stage and that part of the area itself, but I would say about 200 yards, give or take, away from that, we think, but we do not know. So again, this is one of these things that's qualified because of our ongoing review, that he was live streaming, viewing the footage from that. Again, about 11 minutes and around the 3:50-4:00 PM range. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Two hours before, he's flying a drone in the vicinity of the rally. Christopher Wray: About 200 yards away, yes. 37:25 Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): What about the bombs that we've heard about in the shooter's car? Christopher Wray: So again, the FBI lab is exploiting those explosive devices. We've recovered three devices, two in his vehicle and one back in his residence. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Are these what your experts would call sophisticated operations? I dunno. That's what I've been told by people who have some understanding of this area. Christopher Wray: Yeah, I think we've seen more sophisticated and less, I would say these are relatively, again, keyword relatively, crude devices themselves, but they did have the ability to be detonated remotely. And so to that point, in addition to the two devices that we recovered out of his vehicle, there were receivers for those two explosive devices with the devices. And then on the shooter himself, when he was killed by law enforcement, he had a transmitter with him. Now, I do want to add one important point here. At the moment, it looks to us, again, ongoing review, and I can't say that too many times, at the moment, it looks like because of the off position on the receivers, that if he had tried to detonate those devices from the roof, it would not have worked. But that doesn't mean the explosives weren't dangerous. 1:23:00 Christopher Wray: I think it's fair to say that we do not yet have a clear picture of his motive. 1:25:30 Christopher Wray: We located a number of firearms associated with the shooter and his family. I think it was a total of, I think 14 in the house. The weapon that he used for the attempted assassination was an AR-style rifle that was purchased legally that he, its my understanding, acquired, I think bought actually from his father, who was the one who originally bought it, again, legally. 1:46:20 Christopher Wray: So we do know that he purchased a ladder. I think if I recall correctly, it was about a five foot tall type of ladder. But importantly, we did not find the ladder at the scene. So it's not clear that he used the ladder to get on top of the roof. 1:52:40 Christopher Wray: The weapon had a collapsible stock, which could explain why it might've been less easy for people to observe, because one of the things that we're finding is people have observed him. The first people to observe him with the weapon were when he was already on the roof, and we haven't yet found anybody with firsthand observation of him with the weapon walking around beforehand. 1:54:00 Christopher Wray: There were no pictures or videos on the drone of the day of the rally, for example. But we have been able to reverse engineer the flight path of the drone from the day of the rally, and that's how we know that for about 11 minutes from, I think it's around 3:50 PM to 4:00 PM, somewhere in that range, he was flying the drone and we have the flight path, and it's about 200 yards away from where former President Trump would ultimately be speaking. And so that would've primarily given him a vantage point. I'm trying to think how to describe this. If the former President's podium is that way, the drone would be over here looking, say 200 yards again, off this way, looking back, so it would've shown the shooter -- we think, again, we're still doing more work on this. I really want to qualify what I'm saying, but I'm trying to be transparent and lean in here -- we think it would've shown him kind of what would've been behind him. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ): When you say behind him, behind the shooter. Christopher Wray: Correct. In other words, almost like giving him a rear view mirror of the scene behind him, except again, he wasn't flying it overhead while he was later back for the assassination. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ): But he would've had, with the drone, he would've been able to also assess, because the stage, I assume, was already set, he'd be able to assess that angle with rooftop as well, forward and backward, I assume. Christopher Wray: Well, certainly going towards the podium, again, we're still trying to figure out exactly what he saw, because having to, in effect, because there's no recording of what he saw during those 11 minutes, our hypothesis at this point, the experts think he would've been live streaming it, and so we're trying to, in effect say, okay, well this was the flight pattern. Given these capabilities of the drone, what would you have seen? What could you have seen for those 11 minutes? And again, it wasn't over the stage or kind of the hub of the rally. It was about 200 yards away, but it looks like it would've been looking, let's say, the length of a football field or so more towards the podium. 1:56:25 Christopher Wray: So again, with the caveat that we're continued to do work on it, we believe that the first time he traveled to the grounds was I think a week before and he spent roughly 20 minutes there. Then he went to the grounds again on the morning of the event. It appears for about 70 minutes, I think. But again, I qualify that. I'd have to go back and look to be sure of that part. And then he came back in the afternoon. So that would be, I guess a third time for good. But that included things like this drone activity we just talked about. 1:58:10 Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA): Have you been able to gain access to the shooter's electronic communications, social media, and -- with the caveats that you mentioned that the investigation is still early -- have you been able to make any deductions or are there any indications of the shooter's motivation from those electronic holdings? Christopher Wray: So in terms of our ability to access it, we have been able to get into and exploit a number of electronic devices, digital devices, but not all of them yet. And then within his various accounts, we've been able to get access to some of them, but some of them we're still waiting on. Some of them we may never get access to because of the encryption issue. It presents an increasingly vexing barrier for law enforcement, not just the FBI, but for law enforcement all over the country. 1:59:30 Christopher Wray: It does appear fairly clear that he was interested in public figures kind of more broadly, and I think this is important, that starting somewhere around July 6th or so, he became very focused on former President Trump, on this rally. And so one of the things that I can share here today that has not been shared yet is that we've just in the last couple of days, found that from our review, to your point about devices, analysis of a laptop, that the investigation ties to the shooter reveals that on July 6th he did a Google search for "how far away was Oswald from Kennedy." And so that search obviously is significant in terms of his state of mind. That is the same day that it appears that he registered for the Butler rally. 2:15:30 Christopher Wray: So I know it was a Secret Service counter sniper who took the shot that eliminated the shooter. 2:15:50 Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY): You mentioned that the would-be assassin bought a five foot ladder, you have credit card evidence of that. But it looks like on the scene there was a larger ladder that he might've used. Do you know which ladder he used to get to the roof? And do you have possession of that five foot ladder and the other ladder? And do you know how the taller ladder got to the scene? Christopher Wray: So this whole business about the ladder is something we're drilling into more. We do have possession of the five foot ladder that he purchased close in time to his attempted assassination that we've traced the purchase of that ladder from a receipt, a bloodied receipt that he had on him at the time his body was recovered on the roof. We do not yet know for sure how exactly he got up on the roof. We're looking at various forensic pieces to try to kind of piece that together. So more to come on that. Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY): Do you know where the five foot ladder was found or retrieved? Was it near the roof or was it still in his vehicle? Christopher Wray: Neither. I don't have it in front of me, but I know that it was not, I know that it was not on scene and I know that it was not in his vehicle. 2:17:55 Christopher Wray: From everything we've seen, which is consistent with what we've learned in interviews, a lot of people describe him as a loner. That does kind of fit with what we're seeing in his devices. His list of contacts, for example, is very short compared to what you would normally see from most people. So it doesn't appear to be a whole lot of interaction between him, face-to-face or digital, with a lot of people. 3:00:50 Christopher Wray: We now believe that the subject climbed onto the roof using some mechanical equipment on the ground and vertical piping on the side of the AGR building. In other words, we do not believe he used a ladder to get up there. 3:07:25 Christopher Wray: He was a fairly, avid might be a little strong, but a fairly avid shooting hobbyist, and so he belonged to different clubs and went to certain ranges and that kind of thing. We do believe, based on what we've seen so far, that he went to a shooting range the day before and that he shot an AR-style rifle at that range the day before. I am not sure we know for sure that it's the weapon that he used, but I think we assessed that it probably is. July 23, 2024 House Committee on Homeland Security Witnesses: Colonel Christopher L. Paris, Commissioner, Pennsylvania State Police Patrick Yoes, National President, Fraternal Order of Police Clips Time stamps correspond to YouTube version 23:35 Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Colonel Christopher Paris serves as the commissioner for the Pennsylvania State Police. In this role, he exercises command, administrative and fiscal authority over the Pennsylvania State Police, the 10th largest police agency in the United States. Commissioner Paris has served in the Pennsylvania State Police since his enlistment in 1999. 23:55 Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Mr. Patrick Yoes currently serves as the president National Fraternal Order of Police. In this role, Mr. Yoes leads the order and its more than 367,000 law enforcement members in representing police officers in the profession. Prior to taking his current role, Mr. Yoes served an impressive 36 years as an active law enforcement officer. 25:45 Col. Christopher L. Paris: Prior to the shooting, our role was to support the Secret Service with personnel and assets that they requested. Our operation plan, completed to fulfill this responsibility consisted of 32 members, and we had two main responsibilities, a motorcade operation for the transportation with the Secret Service of former President Trump, as well as manning and staffing security posts inside the secure area of the Butler County Farm Show. Additionally, we provided two marked cars with uniformed troopers outside of the secure perimeter to provide roving duties, as the name implies, responding to incidents that may occur as a large gathering of people were moving to the venue. 1:22:10 Col. Christopher L. Paris: I would say from my experience and from state police operations to include this event as planned in our operations plan, we had integrated communications by having RPSP personnel in the Secret Service Command post. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): So your person was in there, in that command post on this event? Col. Christopher L. Paris: Yes, sir. 1:22:45 Col. Christopher L. Paris: There's a lot of talk about interoperability and communications. The state police, for example, operate our own statewide radio network, so we have the ability to, if we have an incident, a long protracted incident, for example, where we need to patch other agencies in, we have the capability to do that. However, Secret Service, for example, maintain some additional encrypted communications. So the best way to integrate unified command… Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Is physically present in the command site. Col. Christopher L. Paris: That would be our, yeah. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): That's how the Army does it and the military Col. Christopher L. Paris: I would expect our commanders to have personnel in there so that we could have radio communication, as well as a redundancy in the operations plan with a telephonic backup. 1:25:30 Col. Christopher L. Paris: The final walkthrough occurred on the 11th. Present at that meeting were the two commanders that were tasked with both staffing the security checkpoints on the interior of the secure perimeter, as well as the commander who was going to be in charge of the motorcade. But in addition to that, a PSP area commander was on that walkthrough, holding the rank of Major. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Could you share a little bit of insight? I appreciate the timeline, but could you share a little bit specific to the AGR building? Col. Christopher L. Paris: So on that walkthrough, our area commander asked specifically who was responsible for the AGR building, and we were told that Butler ESU was responsible for that area by several Secret Service agents on that walkthrough. 1:26:35 Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): The slope of the roof, would that have prevented a sniper from being up there? Col. Christopher L. Paris I don't believe so, sir. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Okay. 1:29:40 Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS): President Yoes, in your comments, you talked about the need for communication. You talked about FirstNet. We have federal, state, and local law enforcement at an event like what we're talking about in Butler, but in our conversation with some of the locals, not state police, but the sheriff's department and the chief of police in Butler yesterday, those individuals did not have communication with state police or Secret Service. Would that, in your professional opinion, be a vulnerability for managing an event like this? Patrick Yoes: Well, I think we can go back to 9/11. When we identified at that time that the inoperability of different agencies to be able to communicate really was a hindrance. There's an infrastructure in place now to address these inoperabilities, but at the same time, they're not always utilized in every event. I do not have any direct knowledge whether that was the issue here, but I can tell you it is a common issue in law enforcement and an ability for our agencies not to be able to communicate, not that the technology is not necessarily there, it's because that they're not always incorporated. 1:31:10 Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS): Yeah, we passed legislation mandating, obviously, FirstNet interoperability, and we tied funding to make sure that that happens. But here we are looking at this situation and we picked up some valuable information that we are still not where we need to be on that. 1:32:25 Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS): Butler, Pennsylvania has no permitting process for events of that size, so you can announce it and hold it, and local government doesn't really have anything to do with it. And we were assured by local government that they would try to fix that. They said, we have to be more involved in events of this size, so that if this was not the best venue, then that permitting could have gotten engaged and suggested an alternate venue. 1:42:25 Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA): How many rounds did the shooter fire before he was killed? Do you know? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I believe that the number is eight casings have been recovered. 1:55:05 Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Colonel Paris, are you aware whether any law enforcement officer or officers was or were posted in the second floor window of the AGR building? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I am aware, yes, sir. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): And what is the answer? Col. Christopher L. Paris: To my knowledge, there were two posted there from Butler ESU. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): And you said Butler ESU. What does the acronym ESU stand for? Col. Christopher L. Paris: Emergency Services Unit. It's a team that's comprised of multiple agencies that pool resources on a county or several county basis in order to enhance capabilities and training and be able to respond. Basically a mutual aid agreement is my understanding of it. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Is it sort of like a SWAT team? Col. Christopher L. Paris They are trained in SWAT tactics, to my knowledge, yes. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): So how many ESU officers were posted to that second floor window? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I am aware that two were in the building, but again, I have not seen the Secret Service operations plan. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Do you know, you say in the building, were they in a window? A window out onto the scene? Col. Christopher L. Paris: From briefings that I have been given, I was told they were in a window, yes, sir. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Did they remain on Post? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I was told that at a certain point they began searching along with other local officers in the immediacy after Crooks had been identified as suspicious by them. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): By them? Col. Christopher L. Paris: My understanding is that they identified Crooks for not matriculating. To my knowledge, Crooks never made it through the Secure Perimeter into the venue space itself. He was identified by those members as suspicious in part because of that. And then at some point he produced the range finder, which heightened that. 1:57:30 Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Was it from this vantage point that those ESU officers spotted Crooks? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I don't know that particular window, but my understanding is from a second story window is where he was initially spotted. 1:57:45 Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): So are you then saying that, to your knowledge, those ESU officers left the location where they could look out the window to go in search of this person? Col. Christopher L. Paris: That is my understanding. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): So sometime between the time he was spotted on the ground and identified as someone suspicious until the shooting, they had left that post to go look for him. Is that what you're saying? Col. Christopher L. Paris: My understanding is yes. Along with other municipal officers that responded to that area. And that's based on interviews that we've conducted. And I want to be very clear that I don't want to establish a timeline minute by minute because we don't have that yet. 2:35:40 Col. Christopher L. Paris: So this goes to my earlier qualifier about the timeline, but my understanding of the sequence of events is that he was determined to be suspicious as a result of behavior that he was exhibiting, milling around that area in front of the AGR building. There was a text thread that was going, I've been briefed, between the ESU members. They identified, they took a photo of him at some point. When he utilized the rangefinder, the suspicion was heightened. So I know at a certain point in the command post, a member of PSP received a phone call and a text message from members of ESU, and I know from an interview that that was immediately relayed in the command post to the Secret Service. 2:36:35 Col. Christopher L. Paris: When the PSP member received that information and verbally turned right around, gave it to the Secret Service, our member was provided with a number to which the picture that had been taken by the Butler ESU members, or that was on that group thread, to which that should be sent. Our member did that, and our understanding was that was some element of the Secret Service. 2:37:50 Col. Christopher L. Paris: But at that point, just to be clear, he was determined to be suspicious. There was no information that he possessed a weapon. He was outside of that building where the ESU was posted. They were being vigilant. It's, I think, relevant that there were other people at the venue who were suspicious and reported likewise, in a close temporal nexus to that as well. 2:38:35 Col. Christopher L. Paris: I believe, again, I'll defer to when the President came out. I know that that was probably 20 to 25 minutes before 18:11 hours and steps were taken by the municipal officers over in that area, they were actively looking for Crooks. You saw the building yesterday. That's a pretty wide footprint. They began looking for him. There were scores of people making their way across that facility. Again, just for some context, there were over a hundred people that day requiring medical attention due to the heat. There was a missing 6-year-old. This individual was deemed to be suspicious because he was walking around and not moving into the venue. The rangefinder obviously heightened that, and they were attempting to locate him as people were moving across that space, who were attending the event, to the secure perimeter. 2:41:10 Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY): You said that many of your officers, or Butler ESU officers, were looking for Crooks. That was after that photograph was relayed to the Secret Service? Col. Christopher L. Paris: My understanding is it was after the photo was relayed to our trooper in the command post. And yes, Crooks was in that area around the building. My understanding is two additional municipal officers who were on a different post responded to that area and they began actively looking for Crooks. They circumscribed the building to try and locate him. It became apparent at some point that he was up on the roof. Those two municipal officers who responded then, to their credit, actively, once they realized that he was on the roof, one boosted the other one up hanging from the ledge of the roof. By the time that officer was boosted up on top of the roof, Crooks was on it almost in that final position that you saw. He had the AR out and he pointed it at the municipal officer who was suspended from the roof, who was not in a position, feet dangling at that point, to draw a weapon or continue hoisting himself back up on the roof. He drops back down from the roof, and at this point, I believe, that's when the video that's been widely circulated with people filming Crooks up on the roof saying there's somebody up on the roof. There were other law enforcement around the building running, but their vantage point on the ground did not lend a clear line of sight to where Crooks was at the top of that building. 2:44:35 Col. Christopher L. Paris: The hoisting up of the officer occurred probably no more -- again, I'm going to give you a time, but I want to just put it in context -- Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) We understand it's not specific. Col. Christopher L. Paris: -- of a sequence of events. I would say at most two and a half to three minutes before that first shot rang out. 2:45:00 Col. Christopher L. Paris: The municipal officer saw Crooks. Crooks saw him, and Crooks turned and leveled the gun at him in a position tactically of extreme disadvantage, suspended in the air with your legs dangling after somebody had boosted you up. Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY): And he let go, right? Col. Christopher L. Paris: He let go and he fell back down. 2:48:30 Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): Now emergency services noticed Thomas Crooks on the roof -- this is the timeline that we have -- took a picture and reported it. Who did they send that picture to? Col. Christopher L. Paris: Just to be clear, they were posted in the AGR building and took a picture of him. That's what you're referring to. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): Yes, who did they send the picture to? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I only know from interviews what I can confirm to my knowledge and belief here today, that a member of Pennsylvania State Police inside of the command post received that information telephonically and by text, relayed it to the Secret Service, and then was given a number to follow up on and that was based, again, heightened suspicion. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): How did they relay it to Secret Service? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I believe that they verbally turned and said in the command post, this is information that I just received. And then in follow up to that, as directed from the interview that I was briefed on, that was forwarded by text as requested by the Secret Service. 2:56:10 Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY): Were there other folks who were also in the crowd identified as suspicious by law enforcement? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I have been briefed that yes, there were multiple individuals, which would be consistent with normal operations for a detail like this, that are identified as suspicious. Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY): Can we take that as a single digit number of other folks? Col. Christopher L. Paris: The number that I was briefed on was single digit, but I can't say definitively that I was -- Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY): What number were you briefed on, Colonel? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I believe I was briefed on an additional three individuals. 3:03:25 Col. Christopher L. Paris: I'm aware of three radio systems in operation: PSP's, the Secret Service, and Butler County's. Rep. Morgan Luttrell (R-TX): All communicating on different channels. Col. Christopher L. Paris: Technically, yes, but, I can only speak from PSP, our integration occurs by us having somebody inside of the Secret Service Command post. Again, for an incident of this magnitude, in theory, the more people you have on the same channel, if there was a medical emergency or a lost 6-year-old and everybody keys up at once, it paralyzes your communication. 3:14:45 Rep. Rob Menendez (D-NJ): From the time that a law enforcement officer was hoisted up, was identified by the shooter, the shooter turns his rifle on him, how long between that encounter and the first shot? Col. Christopher L. Paris: So, I'm glad you asked me that question, Congressman. I'd like to clarify. So it was a matter of seconds. Rep. Rob Menendez (D-NJ): Alright, because I think earlier it might've been minutes. Col. Christopher L. Paris: Correct, and I appreciate you asking that question, you allowing me to clarify that on the record. When I assigned that number, which again, I don't want get locked into a timeline, of three minutes before, that's probably a total amount of time that he was on the roof. When the one local officer hoisted the other one up and subsequently falls, releases himself after being faced with that -- Rep. Rob Menendez (D-NJ): The shooter shuffles across the roof and takes his first shot -- Col. Christopher L. Paris: He's already, I believe, close to being in his final position there, and I'm told it's again, sequence of events, not a timeline based on the prior criteria laid out, but seconds after that is when the first shots rang out. 3:24:20 Patrick Yoes: There's no doubt when you look at how many people are involved in an operation like this, having everyone on one channel is difficult. But there are people within contained areas and their ability to be able to communicate as things change across platforms is crucial. In this case, we know that in seconds things unfolded and in seconds getting meaningful communication out to people who might be able to act on that communication is vital. So I think there's avenues here. I agree that not everyone should be on the same channel, but there are certain people within certain areas and perimeters that should be having communication or the ability to communicate a little more freer. 3:37:20 Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ): Now that you've had a chance to go back and look over it, what is the tallest structure on that site? Col. Christopher L. Paris: The water tower, sir. Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ): Absolutely. Colonel, do you know how far the water tower was from the roof where the shooter took his shots? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I do not. Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ): 160 yards, sir. Who made the decision, Colonel, not to put a counter sniper team on the tallest structure by far on the site with 360 degree surveillance? Do you have any idea? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I do not know, sir. Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ): Okay. We'd like to get that answer. 4:02:55 Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Was Secret Service notified that they were leaving to go look for this guy and thus those eyes on top of the building gone? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I do not know. And the other thing that I do not know is where else Butler ESU sent that information. I have not been briefed on that. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Who told them to go look? Do you know if they were told to go look? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I do not know, sir. Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): We just know that they did go look. Col. Christopher L. Paris: Yes, sir. And like I said, a very concerted effort with all of those alcoves and all of those buildings was made. There were two additional officers who, again, I don't know the specifics of the timeline, I don't know the specifics of the logistics of how that information was relayed, but I'm briefed that they came and they made a very concerted effort to try and locate Crooks. 4:12:05 Col. Christopher L. Paris My understanding is the two officers that responded and one hoisted up, the second one were not part of Butler ESU. They were two separate municipal officers who were tasked with a different responsibility. I would speculate, as an example, to say a traffic post or… Rep. Mark Green (R-TN): Understood. Col. Christopher L. Paris: And they responded. I don't know, again, the specifics as to how they were alerted, but just to be clear, they were two separate. Yes, sir. 4:12:30 Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): The Butler ESU officers who spotted Crooks, do I understand correctly, they spotted him from the second floor of the AGR building? Col. Christopher L. Paris: That is my understanding. Yes, sir. Rep. Dan Bishop (R-NC): Okay. Were they posted there in order to maintain Overwatch on the roof, or were they generally assigned roving responsibility to be in the vicinity of that building? Col. Christopher L. Paris: I can't answer that, and I would defer to the Secret Service. July 22, 2024 House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Witnesses: Kimberly Cheatle, [then] Director, United States Secret Service Clips Time stamps correspond to YouTube version 19:45 Rep. James Comer (R-KY): A little over a week ago, Americans watched in horror as a shooter attempted to assassinate President Donald J. Trump at a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. The gunman nearly succeeded. The bullet that struck President Trump's head was less than an inch from taking his life. President Trump survived, but one rallygoer, Corey Comparatore, tragically did not. Two others were seriously injured. It was a horrifying moment in American history. The horror was exceeded only by the bravery of the law enforcement agents who threw themselves in harm's way when shots were fired, the bravery of a crowd unwavering in its refusal to panic, and the bravery of a bloody President Trump refusing to run. 32:55 Kimberly Cheatle: Today we are joined by Kimberly Cheatle, who was sworn into office on September 17, 2022, as the Director of the United States Secret Service. Prior to her appointment, Director Cheatle was Senior Director of Global Security at PepsiCo. Before her role at Pepsi, she served 27 years in the Secret Service. 35:40 Kimberly Cheatle: The Secret Service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. On July 13th, we failed. As the Director of the United States Secret Service, I take full responsibility for any security lapse of our agency. We are fully cooperating with ongoing investigations. We must learn what happened, and I will move heaven and Earth to ensure that an incident like July 13th does not happen again. Let me state unequivocally, nothing I have said should be interpreted to place blame for this failure on our federal, state, or local law enforcement partners who supported the Secret Service in Butler. We could not do our job without them. 37:05 Kimberly Cheatle: I will be transparent as possible when I speak with you. Understanding, though, at times, that I may be limited in providing a thorough response in this open setting due to associated risks with sharing highly sensitive protective methodologies. 38:30 Kimberly Cheatle: The comprehensive advance process involves collaborative planning between our Secret service, the protectee's staff, and local law enforcement partners. The level of security provided for the former President increased well before the campaign and has been steadily increasing as threats evolve. The security plan included a full assessment of the Butler Farm Show grounds to identify security vulnerabilities and craft a security plan for the protectee, attendees, and the public. Immediately following the assassination attempt, I directed the activation of my crisis center. I assembled my executive team to begin surging more protective resources to the former President and to ensure the wellness of our people post-incident, all while securing an active crime scene. I immediately ordered a reevaluation of the Republican National Convention Security Plan, and I increased the security posture in the National Capitol Region for all permanent protectees and sites. At the same time, I initiated a Mission assurance investigation within our agency. 41:40 Rep. James Comer (R-KY): Let's start with the building that the shooter used to shoot President Trump from. At any point Saturday, did the Secret Service have an agent on top of that roof? Kimberly Cheatle: Sir, as I'm sure you can imagine that we are just nine days out from this incident and there's still an ongoing investigation, and so I want to make sure that any information that we are providing to you is factual. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): You can't, okay. Can you answer why the Secret Service didn't place a single agent on the roof? Kimberly Cheatle: We are still looking into the advanced process and the decisions that were made. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): Okay, okay. Wasn't that building within the perimeter that should be secured? Do we agree with that? Kimberly Cheatle: The building was outside of the perimeter on the day of the visit, but again, that is one of the things that during the investigation, we want to take a look at and determine whether or not other decisions should have been made. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): One of the things that you said, I believe in an interview, that there wasn't an agent on the roof because it was a sloped roof. Is that normal? And do you fear that that immediately creates an opportunity for future would-be assassins to look for a slanted roof? I mean, this is a huge question that every American has. Why wasn't a Secret Service agent on the roof? And there have been reports that agents were supposed to be on the roof, but it was hot that day and they didn't want to be on the roof. Can you answer any of those questions, Director? Kimberly Cheatle: So I appreciate you asking me that question. Chairman. I should have been more clear in my answer. When I spoke about where we placed personnel in that interview, what I can tell you is that there was a plan in place to provide Overwatch, and we are still looking into responsibilities and who was going to provide Overwatch, but the Secret Service in general, not speaking specifically to this incident, when we are providing Overwatch, whether that be through counter snipers or other technology, prefer to have sterile rooftops. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): Did the Secret Service use any drones for surveillance that day? Kimberly Cheatle: So again, I'm not going to get into specifics of that day in itself, but there are times during a security plan that the Secret Service does deploy an asset like a drone. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): There were reports that the shooter used a drone just a few hours before the rally start time. Is that accurate? Kimberly Cheatle: I have heard those same reports. And again, am waiting for the final report. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): If you can't answer the question, that's your answer. But can you answer this? Do you know, I'm not asking yes or no, but do you know if the shooter used a drone before the shooting? Kimberly Cheatle: That information has been passed to us from the FBI. Rep. James Comer (R-KY): How many Secret Service agents were assigned to President Trump on the day of the rally? Kimberly Cheatle: Again, I'm not going to get into the specifics of the numbers of personnel that we had there, but we feel that there was a sufficient number of agents assigned. 46:05 Rep. James Comer (R-KY): Before July 13th, had the Trump detail requested additional resources? Kimberly Cheatle: What I can tell you is that for the event on July 13th, the assets that were requested for that day were given. 46:25 Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): It's been reported that before former President Trump got up on the stage at around 6:00 PM on Saturday, July 13th, that the local police had identified and even photographed a man who was acting suspiciously. And this man, who turned out to be the gunman, had been flagged as a potential threat. Is that accurate? Kimberly Cheatle: What I can say is that the individual was identified as suspicious. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): So he was known to be suspicious before former President Trump took the stage. Kimberly Cheatle: That is the information I have received. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): Why was he allowed to take the stage with a suspicious person having been identified in the crown? Kimberly Cheatle: So I appreciate the question, and I'd like to make two points. If the detail had been passed information that there was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former president out onto stage. That is what we do and that is who we are. We are charged with protecting all of our protectees. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): So you distinguish between someone who is suspicious and someone who's threatening. Is that right? Kimberly Cheatle: We do. There are a number of times at protective events where suspicious people are identified and those individuals have to be investigated and determined what is it that identifies that person as suspicious? 47:45 Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): Did you deny a request for additional resources that had been made by the Trump campaign? Kimberly Cheatle: There were no assets denied for that event in Butler on the 13th. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): I see. So you're saying there were requests made for additional assistance for other specific events, rather than for the campaign as a whole. Is that right? Kimberly Cheatle: I'm sorry, I'm not understanding. Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): You seem to say that there were not additional resources requested for that event. And forgive me for being unfamiliar with this. Is it requested event-by-event or is it requested just in general for the campaign? Kimberly Cheatle: So if I can explain the advance process. When an event or an venue is identified by, in this case, campaign staff, then the campaign staff works together with Secret Service agents who go out and conduct an advance. Generally that is a five day time period where those discussions are had about what the perimeter is going to look like, what the size of the event is, what the venue is, and then from there there is a request made to mitigate potential risk and threat. And I'm saying that on that day, the requests that were pushed forward were granted. 49:00 Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): So the Secret Service did not know that the gunman actually had a weapon before President Trump was allowed to get up on the stage. Kimberly Cheatle: To the best of our knowledge and the facts that we have at this point, that is correct. 49:50 Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD): It's been reported that the shooter was not carrying a driver's license or any form of identification. They had no idea who he was, but then he was quickly identified, I think within 30 minutes, by using the serial number on the AR-15 under a tracing system that is now controversial. Some people say we should get rid of it, some people want to keep it. But is that right, that the serial number was the key information which led to the identification of the shooter? Kimberly Cheatle: That is my understanding, sir. Yes. 52:50 Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): How many times did you turn them down ahead of that? Kimberly Cheatle: I think that it is important to distinguish between what some people may view as a denial of an asset or a request -- Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Well, Mr. Guglielmi, your spokesperson, he said he acknowledged the Secret Service had turned down some requests. I'm asking how many. Kimberly Cheatle: A denial of a request does not equal a vulnerability. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Well, tell me what it is. Kimberly Cheatle: There are a number of ways that threats and risks can be mitigated with a number of different assets, whether that be through personnel, whether that be through technology or other resources. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Well tell the committee which it was. They asked for additional help in some form or another. You told them no. How many times did you tell them no? And what'd you tell them no to? Kimberly Cheatle: Again, I cannot speak to specific incidents, but I can tell you in general terms the Secret Service is judicious with their resources based on -- Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): What does some requests mean? How many times? Requests is plural. So more than once they ask for additional help and you turned them down. What did they ask for and how many times did you turn them down? Pretty basic questions. Kimberly Cheatle: So again, without having all of the details in front of me, sir, what I can tell you is that there are times when -- Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): You didn't get briefed on how many times you turned down the Trump detail when they asked for additional help? Kimberly Cheatle: I'm sorry. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Didn't get briefed on that before you came to this hearing, knowing you were going to get asked that question? Kimberly Cheatle: What I can tell you is that in generic terms, when details make a request, there are times that there are alternate ways to cover off on that threat. 1:04:05 Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Director Cheatle, have you read the intelligence of the generalized threat to Donald Trump by Iran as a result of their desire to retaliate for the killing of Soleimani? Kimberly Cheatle: I have. Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Have you read or been briefed about the intelligence of the specific recent threat to Donald Trump from Iran? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes, I have. Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Director Wray, when we were getting our briefing, indicated that he thought the threat assessment should have included this threat from Iran. Is it your testimony today that the threat assessment, since you've read this intelligence, was sufficient to protect him from this threat from Iran? Kimberly Cheatle: My testimony today is that the information that we had at the time was known, that -- Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Was it sufficient, Director Cheatle? Was it sufficient for the Iranian threat that you said you have read the intelligence briefings for? Kimberly Cheatle: That information was passed to -- Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Well, I'm not asking the bureaucratic issue of who did it get passed around to. Director Cheatle, was it sufficient for the specific and generalized threat to Donald Trump's life from Iran? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes, I do believe it was. Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH): Director Cheadle, is an Iranian assassin more capable than a 20-year-old? Kimberly Cheatle: Sir, I think we've acknowledged that there was gaps and a failure that day. 1:09:15 Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): There were some reports that the individual had a rangefinder. That would certainly raise my suspicion. Did he have a rangefinder? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes, he did. But may I explain that at a number of our sites, especially when you're at outdoor venues, a rangefinder is not a prohibited item. It is sometimes an item that is brought in by individuals if you're going to be in the back. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): Did anybody confront him on that? Anybody ask him questions? What are you doing with the rangefinder? Anybody confront him on his presence where he was in proximity to the President? Kimberly Cheatle: So again, to my knowledge, I believe that that was the process that was taking place, was to locate the individual. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): Did they confront him? Did they go up to him? Did they talk to him? Kimberly Cheatle: I do not have those details at this time. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): Yeah, those are important details. 1:10:40 Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): There was considerable delay in removing the president from the podium after the shooting began. He got shot in the ear, and it was still over a minute before he was removed from the stage. Meanwhile, this shooter had multiple clips. Several clips. He got off eight shots, and he had the capacity and the ability, if he was not neutralized, to basically mow down that whole Secret Service detachment as well as the President. What, from your own investigation, caused that delay under the circumstances. Kimberly Cheatle: What I can tell you is that when the agents identified that the shooting was taking place, in under three seconds they threw themselves on top of the -- Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): I understand that. There was heroism there. No question about it. No question about it. But protocol would indicate, and these are the opinions of various former Secret Service agents, people who have done this work in the past, that over a minute of exposure on that podium, with a shooter with a high-capacity weapon, who had already wounded the President and could have got off we don't know how many more rounds, and yet the President remained exposed even though he was joined in that exposure by the Secret Service in their heroic acts. I dunno if there's a good explanation for that. Kimberly Cheatle: Our personnel created a body bunker on top of the President, shielding him. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): I get that. Yeah. This was an AR 15 style weapon that would've made pretty quick work if he was determined and able to do so. 1:13:00 Kimberly Cheatle: As of today, the Secret Service has just over 8,000 employees. We continue to hire knowing that we need to ensure that we keep pace with a -- Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA): What would be the full compliment that you're looking for? You've got 8,000 and how many would be a full complement for the service? Kimberly Cheatle: So we are still striving towards a number of 9,500 employees, approximately, in order to be able to meet future and emerging needs. 1:25:15 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): When this guy took the shots, he climbed a ladder to get on the roof, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: I'm unable to answer details of exactly how the individual accessed the roof at this time. Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Do you know if he did use the ladder? Do you know when the ladder was placed there? Was the ladder there two days before? Just the night before? Do you have any information at all as to when the ladder got there? Kimberly Cheatle: I would like to be able to answer those questions. The FBI is still conducting an investigation. 1:25:20 Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): Were President Trump's normal agents, normally assigned to him, there that day? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes. Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI): These were the same agents that were always there? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes, sir. The people that are assigned to his detail were working on that day. 1:30:45 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): As you know, the shooter began shooting at 6:11 PM Eastern on July 13th. NBC reported that at 5:51 PM, 20 minutes before the shooting began, the State Police informed the Secret Service of their concern. Now, the rally was not paused at that point, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: No. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And according to NBC, just two minutes later, at 5:53 PM, the Secret Service notified its snipers about the gunman. The rally wasn't paused at that point either, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: No. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Let me show you some video footage by rally goers. If you could play the video on the screen up here. This was taken two minutes before the shooting started. If you could turn up the volume. Rally goers: Right up here, he's on the roof. Right there, right on the roof. He's standing up now. Right on the roof. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Ma'am, that doesn't look like suspicious behavior. That looks like threatening behavior to me. And the rally wasn't paused at that point either, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: I can tell you, as I stated earlier, sir, that the moment that the shift surrounding the President were aware of an actual threat. -- Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): That's a threat, right there. The guy's on the roof and everybody's yelling at him and directing the officer's attention to him. The rally was not paused at that point, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: We are currently still combing through communications and when communications were passed. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Well, I can point you to this communication. It's two minutes before the shots started ringing out. Director Cheatle, yes or no, was there ever a moment where the Secret Service actually considered pausing the rally? Kimberly Cheatle: The Secret Service would've paused the rally had they known or -- Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): So the answer is no -- Kimberly Cheatle: -- been told there was an actual threat. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): The answer is no, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: I can speak to you in generalities. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): No, no. I don't want generalities. I want specifics. The answer is no, you did not consider pausing the rally, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: The people that are in charge of protecting the President on that day would never bring the former President out if there was a threat that had been identified. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Well, they did because we've now identified three points in the 20 minutes before the shooting that the threat emerged. Let me point you to something else, which is the building that the shooter was perched on, seen here. This building is called the AGR building. I'm sure that you're familiar with it. It's no more than 150 yards from the stage where Donald Trump stood. Yet the security perimeter was drawn such that the AGR building was placed outside of it. Director Cheatle, according to the Washington Post, the AR 15-style rifle used in the shooting had a range of 400 to 600 yards, and therefore the AGR building was clearly within rifle range of the stage, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): NBC News has reported that in the days before the rally, the Secret Service had identified the building as a vulnerability that required special attention, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: That's reporting from NBC? Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): Yes. Kimberly Cheatle: So I am still looking into an active investigation. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): I know, but it's been nine days. I mean, you should know that, right? And yet, despite the fact that the AGR building was in rifle range of the stage, and it was flagged as a vulnerability, this building was put outside of the Secret Service's security perimeter. And I respectfully submit, the Secret Service must expand its security perimeter to account for the kinds of weapons that can be used outside the perimeter to endanger the protectees inside the perimeter. 1:34:50 Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): First, you have not found evidence that the incident was a stage shooting, right? Kimberly Cheatle: Correct. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And you haven't found evidence that this was a result of a conspiracy of high ranking government officials, correct? Kimberly Cheatle: Correct. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL): And you have not found evidence that this incident was in fact directed or perpetrated by a foreign state or entity, right? Kimberly Cheatle: Not at this time. 1:58:15 Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX): Have any employees been disciplined for their role in the Butler, PA incident? Kimberly Cheatle: No, sir. Not at this time. I am asking those questions. 2:01:30 Rep. James Comer (R-KY): It's been nine days, every American wants these questions answered. Do you have a ballpark estimate of when what Mr. Sessions asked you would be able to answer, time wise? Kimberly Cheatle: I can tell you on our mission assurance internal investigation, we are targeting to have that completed within 60. 2:02:10 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): Director Cheatle, respectfully, what you had just laid out about 60 days. We are currently in the midst of an especially concentrated presidential campaign in the moment that is also paired with, of course, elections happening across the country that are happening in about a hundred days. So the notion of a report coming out in 60 days when the threat environment is so high in the United States, irrespective of party, is not acceptable. 2:03:55 Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): Director Cheatle, is there a standard perimeter that the Secret Service establishes around an event, or are those perimeters independently determined per event and scenario? Kimberly Cheatle: There is no standard. Every event and every venue is different and treated as such. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): So each event has a different perimeter that is established depending on the logistics of that event. Now, you established earlier that the building upon which the shooter operated from was outside of that established perimeter, correct, for the Butler Pennsylvania event? Kimberly Cheatle: It was outside of our secure perimeter, yes. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): Now, that building was, I believe, 500....How far away was that building from the President? Kimberly Cheatle: It was approximately 200 yards. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): 200 yards. Now, the individual used an AR 15 in order to act out his assassination attempt, an AR 15 has a range of about 400 to 600 yards. My question is, why is the Secret Service Protective perimeter shorter than one of the most popular semi-automatic weapons in the United States? Kimberly Cheatle: There are a number of weapons out there with a number of ranges. Again, an advance was completed. The determination of the perimeter, I'm not going to speak to specifics, but there are a number of factors that are taken into account when we determine our perimeter. Some of it has to do with terrain, some of it has to do with buildings, some of it has to do with assets and resources that are available. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): And so what I'm hearing is that a perimeter was not established outdoors in an outdoor venue that would prevent an AR 15, which is one of the most common weapons used in mass shootings, from being able to be within the range of Secret Service protection. Kimberly Cheatle: A perimeter was established, and even though there were buildings that were outside of that perimeter, it wasn't just that building. There were a number of buildings in the area and there was Overwatch that was created to help mitigate some of those buildings. 2:32:45 Rep. Melanie Stansbury (D-NM): I want to talk a little bit about the timeline. Now, here's what we know, and I know, Director, you were also on the call that we had a few days ago with the FBI and other law enforcement. So I respect that you are not able to share based on your testimony, some of the details that are currently being investigated, but I know you were on the call because I heard you on the call and you heard them too. So I'm going to lay out the timeline a little bit. On July 3rd, the rally was announced that it was going to be in Butler. On July 6th, three days later, we know that the shooter searched for dates for Trump and DNC events. On July 7th, so this is four days after the announcement, the shooter went to the site. He actually physically went to the site. On July 12th, the shooter went to a gun range where he and his dad regularly go and practiced shooting. And the next day, on July 13th, he went to the site again before the rally began. We know that he then went and searched online for a gun store, where he went and he purchased 50 rounds of ammunition, went home, got his father's AR, which was legally purchased, and returned to the venue at 5:00 PM that evening. This is more than an hour before Donald Trump actually took the stage that evening. Local law enforcement we're made aware that there was a suspicious man. In fact, at 5:20, local law enforcement flagged that he had a rangefinder and they radioed their concerns and sent around pictures of the individual. At 5:40, 20 minutes before local law enforcement actually identified the shooter and at 5:51 Secret Service was notified of the suspicious person by the state police. And one minute later, they distributed that information. That was before Donald Trump even took the stage. That was 11 minutes before he took the stage. So the Secret Service was aware that there was a suspicious person. At 6:03 he took the stage. At 6:09, rally goers, as was shown in the video, identified this gentleman climbing on the roof. At 6:11, three shots were heard, three rounds of shots, and of course the president and the other victims were shot. 2:48:35 Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): So given that there was an increased threat to President Trump's life, was he provided a full security compliment akin to what a sitting US President would receive? Kimberly Cheatle: He was provided a full compliment of security based on the threat assessment that we had and the venue. Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): That's not my question. My question is, if he'd been the sitting President, would he have had the same security he had on July 13th or would it have been beefed up? Kimberly Cheatle: There is a difference between the sitting President -- Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): So your answer is, he didn't. Kimberly Cheatle: -- and continuity of government and the responsibility that we had -- Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): So he did not, okay. There wasn't a full CAT team on site. There wasn't countersurveillance teams on site. 2:49:25 Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): Have you visited the site? Kimberly Cheatle: No, I have not. 2:50:30 Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): You said, do you remember, in an ABC interview you did, that you didn't have people on the roof of the AGR building because you were worried about safety because of the slope? Kimberly Cheatle: I recall that statement. Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX): Okay. Does the Secret Service have written policy you can share with us about sloped roofs? Kimberly Cheatle: No. 2:54:00 Kimberly Cheatle: So again, I think we're talking about the distinction between suspicious behavior and a threat, and at the time that this individual was identified, they were displaying suspicious behavior. I'm still waiting for interviews from the FBI to determine what it was that identified that individual as suspicious and what those behaviors were. 2:55:05 Rep. Summer Lee (D-PA): When there are so many teams that are collaborating, who takes the lead, and how is that determined? Kimberly Cheatle: The Secret Service is responsible for the security of the site and the coordination. Rep. Summer Lee (D-PA): And that was the case on July 13th? Kimberly Cheatle: Correct. 3:06:25 Kimberly Cheatle: I acknowledge that we are unaware at this time how the individual was able to access the roof. 3:06:35 Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY): Overwatch meaning from other counter-sniper or other higher points. Kimberly Cheatle: Correct. 3:06:50 Kimberly Cheatle: I don't have the timeline of how the individual accessed the roof, where they accessed the roof, or how long they were on the roof. 3:13:40 Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA): Was Crook's vehicle inside any of your perimeters? Kimberly Cheatle: No, it was not. Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA): It was not. Was there a device located on Mr. Crook's body to detonate the vehicle? Kimberly Cheatle: That is the information that I have. 3:26:05 Kimberly Cheatle: The allocation of resources is decided based on the availability of personnel and their location and where they are, but there were sufficient resources that were given to the former President's event that day. Rep. William Timmons (R-SC): What did you just say? Did you just say there were sufficient resources? President Trump got shot. 3:32:05 Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN): Were agents or officers inside the building? If so, what floor were they on? Kimberly Cheatle: We had local police officers inside the building. 3:59:30 Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI): Have you been in communication with the FBI? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes, I have. Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI): With whom? Kimberly Cheatle: I speak with the Director and the Deputy Director. Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI): Okay. And what have they shared with you about this investigation? So I'll give you an opportunity to answer again. Did they share with you how many shell casings were on the roof? Kimberly Cheatle: They have shared with me the -- Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI): Did they share with you how many shell casing were on the roof? Kimberly Cheatle: Yes. Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI): Okay. How many were there? Kimberly Cheatle: I would refer to the FBI for their investigation. 4:13:20 Kimberly Che

"How can someone do this and not come forward? It makes me believe this can't be a hit and run."Early on the morning of 17 July 2002, a motorist traveling down Cashdollar Road in Pennsylvania's Butler County came upon what appeared to be two lifeless bodies Emergency personnel arrived shortly thereafter and learned that this was two local teenagers who'd been heading home late on a summer night, who appeared to have been hit by a vehicle and left for dead.More than two decades later, though, questions linger. How had these two lifelong best friends ended up on the side of the road? And more importantly, who was responsible for putting them there?Research, writing, hosting, and production by Micheal WhelanMusic composed and created by Micheal WhelanAdditional music includes "Unresolved Mysteries" by Ailsa Traves (podcast theme song, end credits)Learn more about this podcast at http://unresolved.meIf you would like to support this podcast, consider heading to https://www.patreon.com/unresolvedpod to become a Patron or ProducerBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/unresolved--3266604/support.

The Rich Zeoli Show- Full Episode (07/10/2024): 3:05pm- More big names are publicly questioning whether it's in the Democratic Party's best interest to place Joe Biden at the top of their 2024 ticket—including actor George Clooney and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. In a post on X, former Obama Administration speech writer—and co-host of Pod Save America—Jon Lovett explained, “it's hard to deny that in the two weeks since the debate, it's the arrogant and small Joe Biden we've seen most - hanging on, bragging, defensive, angry, weak. Who else but him? he wonders aloud. Only God could change his mind, he tells us. The stakes for the country are all that matter. The stakes for Joe Biden are beside the point. But it's worth saying just the same: Joe Biden can leave office as one of the greatest presidents in our lifetimes, who defeated Trump and put his country first at every turn; or he can leave a stubborn old man who allowed hubris and insecurity to destroy his legacy and perhaps our democracy with it. We all have our best and worst selves, scrambling over each other, battling it out in the moments that define us. Where is the Joe Biden we elected? Where is the statesman? I hope that version of him shows up soon. And I hope the people around him know where to look.” You can read the full statement here: https://x.com/jonlovett/status/1811086031531495457 3:15pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes? 3:35pm- In his latest opinion article for The Wall Street Journal, former Counsel to the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission Charlie Spies writes: “If [President Joe] Biden drops out before the Democratic Party formally makes him its nominee, then Federal Election Commission rules dictate that no more than $2,000 of any campaign funds that he raised may be transferred to any other candidate, including [Vice President Kamala] Harris.” You can read the full op-ed here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-has-100-million-reasons-to-stay-in-election-finance-d8a2dfdf?mod=opinion_lead_pos5 3:40pm- What on earth did Joe Biden just say about NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg's wife!?!? Poor Mrs. Stoltenberg! According to the official White House transcript, Biden said: “Mr. Secretary, you've guided this alliance through one of the most consequential periods in its history. I realize I—as I was talking to your wife—I personally asked you to extend your service. (Laughs.) Forgive me. (Laughter.)” But that isn't at all what it sounded like… 4:05pm- Caroline Sunshine—Deputy Director of Communications, Donald J. Trump for President—joins The Rich Zeoli Show to preview next week's Republican National Convention and the party's new platform which explicitly promises to prevent World War III. PLUS, she offers a recap of last night's big Trump campaign rally in Doral, Florida where an estimated 45,000 supporters attended. 4:15pm- During Tuesday's campaign rally in Doral, Florida, Donald Trump challenged Joe Biden to 18 rounds of golf—and pledged to donate $1 million to a charity of Biden's choosing if Biden wins. Biden's campaign team quickly rejected the offer. Trump also weighed-in on Biden's health—accusing the White House of engaging in “the biggest cover-up in political history” by hiding the president's quickly diminishing cognitive abilities. 4:35pm- While speaking with MSNBC, Rep. Nancy Pelosi said of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy: “It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run.” Her statement is far from an endorsement. 4:45pm- Is there more to John Lovett's denunciation of Joe Biden's presidential candidacy than initially meets the eye? Rich notes that all of a sudden quite a few Obama-loyalists are aggressively attempting to convince Biden to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race. Is Barack Obama orchestrating Biden's exit behind the scenes? 5:05pm- Trump's Vice President Pick: According to Michael C. Bender of The New York Times, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump had hoped to announce his running mate at the Republican National Convention. However, “convention rules require the party to nominate its presidential ticket on Monday, and it would be hard to nominate a ticket that's not yet officially announced. Republicans could vote on a rule change, but that would be just one of many changes that would ripple across the convention program.” Bender continues: “On Saturday, Mr. Trump will visit Butler County, Pa…The location would seem to be an ideal setting to introduce Mr. Vance, the former venture capitalist and best-selling author of “Hillbilly Elegy.” Another potential hint: One of the closest Ohio towns to Butler County is East Palestine, where Mr. Vance and Mr. Trump teamed up in February 2023 to criticize the Biden administration's response to a train derailment that forced residents to evacuate and escape toxic chemicals.” You can read the full article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/us/politics/trump-running-mate-finale.html 5:20pm- On Wednesday, The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro testified before the House Judiciary Committee condemning government influence on social media platforms. 5:25pm- On a recent episode of his podcast, NBC's Chuck Todd conceded that two years ago a Biden Administration cabinet official told him that Joe Biden can't possibly run again due to health impairments. 5:30pm- In a video acquired by TMZ, George Stephanopoulos can be heard saying that he doesn't believe Joe Biden has the ability to serve as president for another four years. Last week, Stephanopoulos conducted a longform interview with Biden. 5:45pm- Luke Rosiak of The Daily Wire reports: “The Department of Human Services has lost at least 85,000 children who crossed the border illegally as ‘unaccompanied minors' after placing them with ‘sponsors' who may be trafficking the children into prostitution or forced labor, according to multiple government whistleblowers who laid out the process to a Senate panel Tuesday.” You can read the full article here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/whistleblowers-detail-how-85000-unaccompanied-minors-went-missing-after-biden-admin-dropped-them-off-with-sponsors?topStoryPosition=2 6:05pm- Ryan Saavedra of The Daily Wire writes: “White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday that a Parkinson's disease doctor who visited the White House in January did, in fact, meet with President Joe Biden, correcting a false claim she had made the day before. Jean-Pierre had been asked whether a meeting on January 17 between White House physician Dr. Kevin O'Connor and neurologist Dr. Kevin Cannard, revealed by White House visitor logs, was related to Biden. The AP reported that it was the only visit the two had, at least on paper, between July 2023 and March 2024. That period came into focus because Cannard had visited the White House eight times during that span.” You can read the full article here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/karine-jean-pierre-falsely-claimed-parkinsons-doctor-didnt-meet-biden-in-january 6:20pm- More big names are publicly questioning whether it's in the Democratic Party's best interest to place Joe Biden at the top of their 2024 ticket—including actor George Clooney and Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. In a post on X, former Obama Administration speech writer—and co-host of Pod Save America—Jon Lovett explained, “it's hard to deny that in the two weeks since the debate, it's the arrogant and small Joe Biden we've seen most - hanging on, bragging, defensive, angry, weak. Who else but him? he wonders aloud. Only God could change his mind, he tells us. The stakes for the country are all that matter. The stakes for Joe Biden are beside the point. But it's worth saying just the same: Joe Biden can leave office as one of the greatest presidents in our lifetimes, who defeated Trump and put his country first at every turn; or he can leave a stubborn old man who allowed hubris and insecurity to destroy his legacy and perhaps our democracy with it. We all have our best and worst selves, scrambling over each other, battling it out in the moments that define us. Where is the Joe Biden we elected? Where is the statesman? I hope that version of him shows up soon. And I hope the people around him know where to look.” You can read the full statement here: https://x.com/jonlovett/status/1811086031531495457  6:30pm- An annoying neighbor called the cops on an 8-year-old girl for riding her bike outside! You can read the full article here: https://reason.com/2024/07/10/cops-called-on-8-year-old-child-for-being-outside/ 6:40pm- Ben Affleck ruins everything. Plus, donors are no longer answering the phone for Joe Biden!

The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 3: 5:05pm- Trump's Vice President Pick: According to Michael C. Bender of The New York Times, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump had hoped to announce his running mate at the Republican National Convention. However, “convention rules require the party to nominate its presidential ticket on Monday, and it would be hard to nominate a ticket that's not yet officially announced. Republicans could vote on a rule change, but that would be just one of many changes that would ripple across the convention program.” Bender continues: “On Saturday, Mr. Trump will visit Butler County, Pa…The location would seem to be an ideal setting to introduce Mr. Vance, the former venture capitalist and best-selling author of “Hillbilly Elegy.” Another potential hint: One of the closest Ohio towns to Butler County is East Palestine, where Mr. Vance and Mr. Trump teamed up in February 2023 to criticize the Biden administration's response to a train derailment that forced residents to evacuate and escape toxic chemicals.” You can read the full article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/us/politics/trump-running-mate-finale.html 5:20pm- On Wednesday, The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro testified before the House Judiciary Committee condemning government influence on social media platforms. 5:25pm- On a recent episode of his podcast, NBC's Chuck Todd conceded that two years ago a Biden Administration cabinet official told him that Joe Biden can't possibly run again due to health impairments. 5:30pm- In a video acquired by TMZ, George Stephanopoulos can be heard saying that he doesn't believe Joe Biden has the ability to serve as president for another four years. Last week, Stephanopoulos conducted a longform interview with Biden. 5:45pm- Luke Rosiak of The Daily Wire reports: “The Department of Human Services has lost at least 85,000 children who crossed the border illegally as ‘unaccompanied minors' after placing them with ‘sponsors' who may be trafficking the children into prostitution or forced labor, according to multiple government whistleblowers who laid out the process to a Senate panel Tuesday.” You can read the full article here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/whistleblowers-detail-how-85000-unaccompanied-minors-went-missing-after-biden-admin-dropped-them-off-with-sponsors?topStoryPosition=2