Podcasts about great smokies

Hi everyone! Welcome back. I'm excited for another expression episode. Today we're going to be talking about a common one: "Where there's smoke, there's fire." We'll of course, dive into the meaning, I'll teach you about the origin, and we have multiple examples today so that you can hear how it's used naturally in conversation. At the very end, there will be a little pronunciation exercise just for reinforcement. In part two of today's lesson, which will be posted next week, we'll explore the Great Smoky Mountains. Yes, the Great Smokies, the most visited national park in the United States. Stay tuned! Mentioned in this Episode ⁠Season 4 Premium Content⁠ ⁠All Premium Content Seasons 1-3⁠ (+ discount on Season 4) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did you know the Great Smoky Mountains are within a day's drive of half the U.S. population? While these misty peaks and ancient forests are a national treasure, they are also fragile. Smoky Mountain Host of NC (Visit Smokies) helps protect this region's natural beauty, with its Visitor Center serving as a welcoming gateway. It connects travelers with historic downtowns, and vibrant arts, fostering connections to preserve the Smokies' charm for generations to come. Join Mici Canales, Communications Director, as we dive into the region's future and how we can protect its irreplaceable landscape. Also on this episode of Speaking of Travel, discover how the The Cherokee Historical Association (CHA) is working tirelessly to protect and share the cultural heritage of the Cherokee people. Learn from Laura Blythe, CHA Program Director, and Lance Culpepper, Operations Director, about exciting future projects, new events, and the vibrant legacy of this remarkable community dedicated to preserving the rich heritage of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. ᎠᎾᎵᎮᎵᎬ  Tune in! Only on Speaking of Travel! Photo = Laura Blyth (L) Lance Culpepper (C) Mici Canales (R)Thanks for listening to Speaking of Travel! Visit speakingoftravel.net for travel tips, travel stories, and ways you can become a more savvy traveler.

The Great Smoky Mountains is the park that gets the most visitors every year. Located in Tennessee and North Carolina, surrounded by mountains, rivers, trees and valleys. There is so much to see and do in the Great Smokies, climb to the tallest peak on an easy paved walk to a lookout dome, raft the rivers, watch fireflies, spot bears and woodchucks, find a trail to meander on,  and learn about the history of the earliest settlers in Cave Codes loop, there is something for everyone in this popular park!

When atomic destruction threatens, the call goes out for Bud Gregory, the wizard of the Great Smokies, who alone can save the situation! The Nameless Something by Murray Leinster, that's next on The Lost Sci-Fi Podcast.We're going live again on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter at 8 PM in Sydney Australia, Thursday January 25th. I hope you'll join us. And if you were with us last week you heard one of our listeners recommend we create merchandise with aliens wearing Hawaiian shirts. You will love these designs and there are links so you can check them out in the description.https://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alan-the-alien-in-the-tulipshttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-at-the-grand-canyonhttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-visiting-the-statue-of-lhttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/aliens-love-niagara-fallshttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-selfie-at-mount-rushmorehttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-vacationing-in-the-tuliphttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-at-sydney-opera-househttps://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/listing/alien-selfie-at-ulu-u-australiWe're going live onYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgyNZ7w5w7O714NHkRv5psAFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheLostSciFiPodcastTwitter - https://twitter.com/lost_sci_fiBuy me a coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/scottsVBud Gregory is back on the podcast! If the name Bud Gregory sounds familiar it's because he is the star of “The Gregory Circle” which can be heard in an earlier episode. Today he returns in the second installment of the Bud Gregory saga which can be found in Thrilling Wonder Stories Magazine in June 1947. Turn with me to page 116, The Nameless Something by Murray Leinster… Next on The Lost Sci-Fi Podcast, Kiley felt all-powerful with the alien guiding him in the looting of a world. Now the whole galaxy was his if he could remember to—Never Trust A Thief! by Robert Silverberg. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Who was it that lost out in the end? Pursued, or pursuer, on this hideous little rock in space. Final Victim by Ray Bradbury and Henry Hasse, that's next on The Lost Sci-Fi Podcast.Special thanks to Irma Stolfo who bought us $25 worth of coffee! “Was lead to your YouTube channel by a friend and fell in love instantly. Your excellent story choice and brilliant skill in character voices won me over immediately. I downloaded your podcast before driving the length of Australia and back (5000km) and your company on my journey made the the time and km fly. I was never alone because I had you. Thank you!”Thank you Irma! I had to look it up because I still cannot get kilometers in my brain. That's over 3,000 miles. Thank you for sharing, thanks for the coffee and thanks for listening. If you would like to buy us a coffee there's a link in the description.Buy me a coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/scottsVRay Bradbury has been on the podcast several times, in fact, his story The Creatures That Time Forgot is one of the most popular stories we've ever done. His co-author, however, Henry Hasse, is making his debut. Hasse, born in 1913, is probably known best for being the co-author of Ray Bradbury's first professionally published story, "Pendulum", which appeared in November 1941 in Super Science Stories. Hasse co-authored two more stories with Bradbury: "Gabriel's Horn” in 1943 and today's story "Final Victim" in 1946. He wrote more than 40 short stories and 1 novel.From Amazing Stories Magazine in February 1946, our collaboration between Mr. Bradbury and Mr. Hasse can be found on page 114, Final Victim by Ray Bradbury and Henry Hasse… Next on The Lost Sci-Fi Podcast, When atomic destruction threatens, the call goes out for Bud Gregory, the wizard of the Great Smokies, who alone can save the situation!Merchandise https://lostscifi.creator-spring.com/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/TheLostSciFiPodcastTwitter https://twitter.com/lost_sci_fiSign up for our newsletter https://dashboard.mailerlite.com/forms/266431/102592606683269000/share Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's finally October, which means it is prime leaf-peeping season!  In this episode of Exploring the National Parks, we are excited to talk about one of our favorite leaf-peeping parks - Great Smoky Mountains National Park!  If you are looking forward to learning five fun facts that will enhance your visit to the Smokies, this is the episode for you. Join us as we cover:  The fascinating roots of the Great Smoky Mountains The tallest point in the Smokies  The life and biodiversity in these mountains The native trees that you can find in this park The rich human history in this area  We hope you enjoyed these fun facts about the Great Smokies! This park is truly life-giving, not only for creatures and plants but for the people as well.  We hope you get a chance to get out there and explore these mountains for yourself in the near future! And if you need any help planning your next trip, check out this Great Smoky Mountains Itinerary. Check out the full show notes here.

In Episode 383 of District of Conservation, Gabriella debriefs listeners on her Great Smoky Mountains vacation and conservation nuggets she learned; 30 years of the Western Caucus and her participation in a Lunch & Learn Congressional briefing yesterday with her IWF colleague Mandy Gunasekara; and what she'll discuss at the upcoming Stop 30-by-30 Summit in Dallas, Texas, this week. SHOW NOTES Fishing in Gatlinburg 15 most-visited national parks in 2022 Visitors to Great Smoky Mountains National Park spent $2.1 billion in local communities in 2022 National Park Service failed to warn residents in deadly Gatlinburg wildfires, judge rules Appeals court rules in favor of Gatlinburg wildfire survivors: Lawsuits can proceed What Caused the Gatlinburg Fire of 2016? Here's the Real Story ⁠Gatlinburg Skypark⁠ ⁠Anakeesta⁠This Land Was Saved for You and Me: How Gifford Pinchot, Frederick Law Olmsted, and a Band of Foresters Rescued America's Public Lands Biltmore: The Birthplace of American Forestry Congressional Western Caucus IWF at CWC Stop 30-by-30 Summit --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/district-of-conservation/support

A native of Asheville, North Carolina, now living in Old Fort, Marci Spencer grew up on land that her great-grandfather refused to sell to George Vanderbilt for the Biltmore Estate. She worked as a nurse practitioner in the fields of cardiology, family medicine, and overseas medical missionary service. After hiking hundreds of miles, volunteering for the park service, and earning certification as a naturalist/environmental educator, Marci wrote Clingmans Dome, Highest Mountain in the Great Smokies, Pisgah National Forest: a History, Nantahala National Forest: a History, and Pisgah Inn---all published by Arcadia/History Press.

A native of Asheville, North Carolina, now living in Old Fort, Marci Spencer grew up on land that her great-grandfather refused to sell to George Vanderbilt for the Biltmore Estate. She worked as a nurse practitioner in the fields of cardiology, family medicine, and overseas medical missionary service. After hiking hundreds of miles, volunteering for the park service, and earning certification as a naturalist/environmental educator, Marci wrote Clingmans Dome, Highest Mountain in the Great Smokies, Pisgah National Forest: a History, Nantahala National Forest: a History, and Pisgah Inn---all published by Arcadia/History Press.

Welcome to the Instant Trivia podcast episode 734, where we ask the best trivia on the Internet. Round 1. Category: Great Things 1: On the Great Seal of the U.S. there are 13 stripes, 13 stars and 13 of these weapons. arrows. 2: The Great Smokies are part of this larger system. the Appalachians. 3: Playwright who wrote, "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em". William Shakespeare. 4: The marine life in this U.S. lake is pretty thin: Colonial Algae and Brine Shrimp. the Great Salt Lake. 5: Term for the Boer migration in the 1830s and 1840s, it comes from an Afrikaans term for a trip by ox wagon. the Great Trek. Round 2. Category: What's The Pitch 1: "Like a rock". Chevrolet. 2: "Where's your mustache?". milk. 3: "Bo knows". Nike. 4: "Don't leave home without it". American Express. 5: "Mom's other little helper". Shake 'n Bake. Round 3. Category: Whatsits, Doohickeys, Thingamabobs 1: A tailor's term, it's also the spiral part of a screw. Thread. 2: Also a body part, in plumbing it's the fitting used to connect the joints of 2 pipes that meet at an angle. Elbow. 3: To set up one of these in the Northern Hemisphere, point the gnomon on its face to the North Pole. Sundial. 4: A key is inserted into this part of a lock that contains the pins, springs and plug. Cylinder. 5: It's a trough used by "carriers" for carrying bricks. Hod. Round 4. Category: 50-50 1: It's the only letter of the alphabet not used in the names of the 50 states. Q. 2: In Genesis 6, it's described as being 50 cubits wide. Noah's Ark. 3: Up to 50 yards of cloth may be used in one of these headdresses worn by Sikhs and Muslim men. a turban. 4: In exchange for more than 1,000 POWs, this country received about $50 million from the U.S. in December 1962. Cuba. 5: In some versions, this Hellenic hellhound has as many as 50 heads. Cerberus. Round 5. Category: Restaurants 1: In 1993 this TV comedienne and her husband Tom opened their Big Food Diner near their farm in Eldon, Iowa. Roseanne Arnold. 2: Move over, Baskin-Robbins; NYC's Russian Tea Room serves 31 varieties of this potent potable. vodka. 3: Oprah Winfrey co-owns The Eccentric in this city, and Oprah's potatoes are featured on the menu. Chicago. 4: At a sushi bar, spice wimps should learn the word "sabinuki", or "no" this. wasabi. 5: When Hiltl opened in Zurich in 1898, its customers were called Grasfresser, as it's this kind of restaurant. a vegetarian restaurant. Thanks for listening! Come back tomorrow for more exciting trivia! Special thanks to https://blog.feedspot.com/trivia_podcasts/ Welcome to the Instant Trivia podcast episode 734, where we ask the best trivia on the Internet. Round 1. Category: Everyday Inventions 1: C. Latham Sholes invented this - - not Olivetti or Smith or even Corona. a typewriter. 2: Clarence Birdseye got the idea for frozen food after living among these people for 3 years. Eskimos. 3: Of Dunlop, Goodyear or Goodrich, the veterinarian who invented the pneumatic bike tire. (John) Dunlop. 4: This, not corn, was used to make the Kellogg brothers' 1st flakes. wheat. 5: The 1st lightweight one for home use consisted of a fan motor, a soap box, a broom handle and a pillowcase. a vacuum

A native of Asheville, North Carolina, now living in Old Fort, Marci Spencer grew up on land that her great-grandfather refused to sell to George Vanderbilt for the Biltmore Estate. She worked as a nurse practitioner in the fields of cardiology, family medicine, and overseas medical missionary service. After hiking hundreds of miles, volunteering for the park service, and earning certification as a naturalist/environmental educator, Marci wrote Clingmans Dome, Highest Mountain in the Great Smokies, Pisgah National Forest: a History, Nantahala National Forest: a History, and Pisgah Inn---all published by Arcadia/History Press.

Tune into the 7th Question Stretch to hear our opinion of the park, (spoiler alert, we love it), and get some tips and tricks on things to do in and around the Great Smokies! See how you stacked up against the Chloee Hardness Test! Whether you actually got that Ronnie Milsap title reference or you've never been to Appalachia, you're bound to learn something from this week's episode! Seth and Chloee once again host this week's Travelin' Trivia Episode. To keep up with their latest travels, follow @travel_down_wander on Instagram. Each question and answer provided on Travelin' Trivia is researched and referenced from reputable sources throughout the industry. That is not to say mistakes aren't made. If you notice an error while listening, please bring it to their attention and the correction will be provided in a coming episode! Listener Feedback Form (scroll to the bottom of the home page) To learn more about each topic discussed in this week's Travelin' Trivia episode visit the reference below. Question 1: They aren't called “The Great Mountains” they're called the Great... Question 2: The Great Smoky Mountains are home to the only surviving native... Question 3: It's cold here, well at least cooler than the rest of the park. I step out of the car after... Question 4: If we were ranking National Parks by size, the Great Smokies would be in the top... Question 5: Mountains aside, the Smokies are full of attractions that keep this park busy... Question 6: In 2021, Great Smoky Mountains National Park was the most visited... Question 7: What if I told you the Smoky Mountain's first permanent European... Question 8: While some areas claim to be “Capitals of the World” in one category or another... Question 9: We're back again with our legal question of the week. In this question, we... Question 10: Beginning in 2023, the Great Smoky Mountains will no longer... Bonus Question: The National Park Service revealed the top 5 most... Join us next week for Arizona Trivia! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/seth-malcolm7/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/seth-malcolm7/support

Joseph Franklyn McElroy got a chance to interview our special guest this week, Jim Lauderdale. Jim won two Grammys, released 34 full-length albums, and took home the Americana Music Association's coveted Wagonmaster Award. But his forthcoming album Game Changer is convincing evidence that the North Carolina native is only continuing to hone his craft.Check out this episode to hear about how he's been making music, the strategies and techniques that help him stay inspired and focused on his craft, and what advice he'd have for other musicians in their own creative pursuits.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Also, we've got something special for all of you #music lovers, and it's a bit of a collaboration between Jim Lauderdale and friends. The #Songwriters Camp and Concert on August 12- 13,2022, will feature our own special guest Jim Lauderdale with Charles, Humphrey III, Darren Nicholson, Clay Mills, and Charles Chamberlain, who will be instructing on songwriting techniques and helping out with some live performances. This event is going to be jam-packed full fun, so be sure to check it out!https://meadowlarkmotel.com/event/songwriters-camp/#smokymountainsnationalpark #songwriter #northcarolina #maggievalley #podcast---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00: 27--00:00: 47 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Howdy. Welcome to the gateway to the Smokies podcast. This podcast is about America's most visited national park, the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. In the surrounding towns, this area is filled with ancient natural beauty, deep-storied history, and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes. 00:00: 48--00:01: 01 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  I am Joseph Franklin McElroy, a man of the World, but also with deep roots in these mountains. My family has lived in the Great Smokies for over 200 years. My business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01: 02--00:01: 27 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: First a few sponsor messages and some events coming up. I want you to imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past, yet modern and vibrant, with a chic Appalachian field. A place for adventure and for relaxation. Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain heritage, trout stream, grill to catch on fire and eat accompanied by fine wine or craft beers.00:01: 28--00:01: 39 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sounds. There is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, North Carolina. Your Smoky Mountain Adventure Starts with Where you Stay.00:01: 40--00:02: 07 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Another sponsor is Smokiesadventure.com. That's smokies plural. Adventure, singular. The Smoky Mountains and surrounding area is a vacation destinations for all seasons. Some of the nation's best hiking trails, waterfalls, outdoor adventures, and family entertainment can be found right here. Start your adventure by using Smokiesadventure.com to explore all the wonderful features of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.00:02: 08--00:02: 18 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: The trails, the waterfalls, the caves, cove, the elk, and more. Then check out all the awesome family attractions and entertainment you and your family can enjoy.00:02: 19--00:02: 35 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Find lodging, find places to stay. Find places to eat. Find where you can do outdoor life events like weddings and honeymoons. It's all at Smokiesadventure.com, which is the leading information portal for adventure experiences in the Great Smoky Mountains.00:02: 36--00:02: 54 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  So, events coming up at the Meadowlark, August 12 to 13th we're having a Songwriters Camp it's a songwriter's camp in concert with Grammy-winning artists Jim Lauderdale and Charles Humphrey III, along with award-winning artists such as Darren Nicholson, Clay Mills, and Charles Chamberlain.00:02: 54 --00:03: 10 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  It's a two-day event of interactive songwriting instruction for world-class musicians, and a demo tape will be produced for each participant. And there'll be a concert of songs from the Rogue Band on Friday night and a barbecue dinner and also our concert on Saturday night.00:03: 10 --00:03: 50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  This is going to be a unique event like no other, and space will be limited to ensure individual tension is given to all participants. The price is $675 per person, including all the activities and demo tapes and concerts, and barbecue dinner. And then there's special pricing for rooms, and there'll be room packages as well. Call 828-926-1717 for details. And there's also a limited amount of concert tickets available for the general public, and those are available on Friday and Saturday nights, and they're $30 each. And again, you can reserve your spot by calling 828-926-1717.00:03: 50 --00:03: 56 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Welcome to the Gateway to the Smokies podcast with my guest Jim Lauderdale. Hey, Jim. How are you doing?00:03: 56 --00:03: 57 Jim Lauderdale:  Great, how are you?00:03: 57 --00:04: 01 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  I'm doing good. We're huge fans of yours.00:04: 01 --00:04: 02 Jim Lauderdale: Thank you.00:04: 02 --00:04: 16 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  And all the artists are coming to that songwriter camp. I'm really thrilled that this came up. Was the songwriter camp your idea, Bob's idea? You guys came up with it together or what happened?00:04: 16 --00:04: 30 Jim Lauderdale:  I think Bob approached Charles Humphrey about it and then he asked me. And so luckily, timing-wise, it worked out00:04: 30 --00:04: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  cool. Yeah. I see that you do another couple of other camps, like one out west somewhere, don't you? 00:04: 36 --00:04: 49 Jim Lauderdale: I did. I did Steve Polt's camp out in Joshua Tree in May. And I just did the Swannanoa gathering and November00:04: 49 --00:05: 05 Jim Lauderdale:  I Believe it is. I'll be at Jorma Calconin's Fur Piece Ranch. Cool. Yeah. But I enjoy it a lot. I really do. Yeah.00:05: 05 --00:05: 19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Cool. I have a friend of mine I think is going to make it who's been doing music for a number of years but really wants to learn from some real professionals. I got some people that are fairly excited. It's an exciting thing, I think, for people to get to work with some great artists like yourself. 00:05: 19 --00:05: 39 Jim Lauderdale: It's exciting for me to see people it means a lot to people that are writing songs, and I think they're just as valid as somebody that's been doing it for a long time.00:05: 19 --00:05: 39 Jim Lauderdale: And so, it's great to see that enthusiasm and the ideas and to see where these songs can go, too well.00:05: 39 --00:05: 49 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  it's nice to bring it to Western North Carolina. You grew up with Westville, right?00:05: 49 --00:06: 19 Jim Lauderdale: I lived around the Piedmont area and then in South Carolina for a few years not too far from Greenville in due west. And I've been coming to Flat Rock every summer of my life since I was born and have continued to come here a lot. 00:06: 19 --00:06: 36 Jim Lauderdale: And then other times in North Carolina. Winston Salem and Chap Hill for school. So, yeah, North Carolina is my home. Yeah.00:06: 36 --00:06: 43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, I'm glad that you're bringing the art of songwriting here. So, when did you get involved in writing songs? Did you start pretty young?00:06: 43 --00:07: 03 Jim Lauderdale:  I guess I was going through my last year of high school and the idea came to me when I was visiting Troutman, North Carolina, where I lived my first five years.00:07: 03 --00:07: 34 Jim Lauderdale: And so, this melody and a title came to me in a few lines here and there. It was kind of an old, tiny, like, string band type thing. I'd been doing bluegrass banjo for a few years, but that type of melody hit me first, and then I had some melodies I gave to one of my classmates when I was a freshman at the North Carolina School of the Arts.00:07: 34 --00:07: 55 Jim Lauderdale:  And he wrote some lyrics. And from there then I started writing on my own and doing a few demos produced by a guitar-playing friend of mine named Zan McCloud, who I knew in Chapel Hill.00:07: 55 --00:08: 33 Jim Lauderdale: I had a duo when I was in high school with a mentor named Rick Bowley who started a music store called Oxpo Music. And I would travel around with him to festivals and help him sell stuff, and we played as much as we could. And then I went off to college, and these songs were coming to me. So Zan took me to a place kind of out in the country there, outside of Chapel Hill fella named Steve Grandback, who later moved to Charlotte and opened up a studio.00:08: 34 --00:09: 08 Jim Lauderdale: And I thought, just doing three songs and six songs, I thought, well, hey, a record deal is going to come any day. I'll be touring all over the place. I'll have to quit school, but this is what I want to do. I was naive about that process. Like everybody, it took a while, but that's where my passion for songwriting started, really. 00:09: 08 --00:09: 21 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I've always wondered. I've been a visual artist, and I've done a few things as a visual artist. I learned that there are different kinds of visionaries.00:09:21 --00:09: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: There's, like, people that are haptic and there are people that are not haptic and non- haptic. Non-Haptic are people get the vision of the painting in their head, and then they just go create the vision, whereas a haptic artist gets the idea and sort of the sense of a painting, but then they have to work it with their hands.00:09:42 --00:09: 50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Haptic, they got to do it. Is that similar to songwriting? Do some people get, like, just the whole thing in their head and just put it on paper and other people have to work it? 00:09:50 --00:10: 25 Jim Lauderdale: That's right. It's different, really, for everybody. For me, a melody usually comes first, sometimes along with the title, but sometimes just a melody. I know some people who write down whole songs on paper and don't have a melody, or else then a melody comes to them or kind of simultaneously. So, it happens a lot of different ways.00:010:25 --00:10: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy That's interesting. So, in a songwriter camp, how would you help the different types of creators with the different ways of doing their creating of songs? How do you help them?00:10:38 --00:12: 33 Jim Lauderdale: I kind of feel like because usually these camps, there's so much to kind of cover in a short amount of time. I like to do things kind of spontaneously. I don't really have much of a format I follow. And it's kind of like that with me. With writing songs, if I'm co-writing or writing alone, it just kind of is spontaneous. And so, I kind of have to evaluate those writers in front of me at that time and ask them what they need, what do they need to learn, or to help them. And it's funny. My friend Steve Polts was saying at the start of this camp we did a few months ago, it's like, I can't teach you how to write songs, but I can help facilitate them, we'll kind of go through certain very briefly personal experiences of like well, this happened to me one time and that's how I got out of this block or something like that to help them. But I really make it about them. Usually, people have things that question of places where they need to work through.00:12:33 --00:012: 43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Now, does every songwriter really need to practice the discipline or can they come and go from it? How does the discipline work in the songwriting craft?00:12:43 --00:014: 03 Jim Lauderdale:  I think it happens in all different ways too. Some people are super disciplined and I try to be putting and everything I've got into it, but I don't have necessarily set times. Like I don't have a schedule where I go okay, I'm going to get up at eight, have a cup of coffee, right, for 2 hours. Some playwrights and novelists and people like that. It's like I get up at five, I write for 3 hours, that's it. And some people I've also written really late at night with co-writers. We will have tried to write at nine and then we kind of plugging along and then as I'm about to leave or something, somebody will say something and an idea comes out. And then you stay till two or three in the morning. If you're on a role, it's good if you can go ahead and capture that magic.00:14:03 --00:014: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Now, when you are just going about your life and living, do thoughts for a song come to you all the time and you write them down and put them into snippets? Do you save those?00:14:03 --00:015: 25 Jim Lauderdale: My song ideas do come to me quite often in conversation or hearing something or just the thought will come into my head. So, I record them on my phone, on an app, on a voice memo app and refer to them later. I go back to them sometimes if I'm then though just playing also something comes out and then you've got your guitar there. But a lot of times I'll just hum the melody. I'm kind of old school. Instead of doing everything on my phone or computer as far as writing out lyrics, I write them down with a pen on if I have a notebook with me or just a scrap of paper. Sometimes I've lost a movie about that. Was there really somebody lost it.00:15:25 --00:016: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Some creative piece and they spent the whole movie trying to find it? Yeah, it was a silly movie, I'm sure. But it's true. When you're in the visual arts is the same thing. You wake up in the middle of night and think you have solved the mystery of the perfect painting. You write down the thing and then you lose that piece of paper and you're searching for it forever. the creative process is really interesting. If you do voice memos, how do you remember what to search for to find the thing that you went?00:15:25 --00:017: 23 Jim Lauderdale: I labeled them. I labeled them like if it's a bluegrass song, I say BG. If it's a country song, I say c. If it's for donna the buffalo, I say donna. Songs from the road band SFRB. So different thing. If it's a soul thing, I'll say royal or soul. I do have a bunch of unfinished things. I've recorded a few albums at royal studios in Memphis, which was a great sole studio. If I have a studio booked in advance and I'm trying to write for that outright, like, for instance, blackbird for blackbird studio for those sessions. So, I'm not very organized, but at least I can reference those. Then when I'm flipping through the phone, trying to find something to have ready,00:17:25 --00:18: 00 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I mean the human database is the most complex and sometimes also the most infuriating product. We own mine, trying to remember what it was you had thought of. Yeah.So, given that you're going to be working with some people in a collaborative manner here at the Meadowlark Motel August 12, 13th, but then you also write by yourself, what do you prefer? Do you prefer to write solo or with a partner or with a group?00:18:00 --00:18: 40 Jim Lauderdale:  When you're writing with somebody else, I feel like you always come up with something that neither one of you could do alone, necessarily. There's some different strength about that collaboration, but I still like to write alone to kind of challenge myself to do it because it's harder for me to write a loan. It's slower and sometimes more tedious, but I enjoyed both.00:18:40 --00:20: 07 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Cool. You've written with some really great people, and I know that you have a podcast with another legend, Buddy Miller. Have you written with him? Yes. We've got a radio show on Sirius X outlaw country on channel 60 called the buddy and gym show. We have written it's been a few years. The last time we wrote, we did a record together, gosh, I think it was eight years ago, and we wrote for that record, and before that, we'd written some things for his albums. He'd usually save a song or two and say we'd work backwards. Usually somebody gives me lyrics and I put a melody to them, but he gave me melodies and I put lyrics to them, and then he'd be under a deadline, too, so I put deadlines on myself also. But he would be like, hey, I've got to finish this record. How are those lyrics coming along? You have to deliver in those situations,00:20:07 --00:20: 10 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Especially professional and the legend.00:20:10 --00:20: 12 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, absolutely.00:20:12 --00:20: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: You have a reputation to meet now. 00:20:15 --00:20: 17 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, that's right.00:20:19 --00:20: 25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Is there any other people that you have co-written with that are sort of favorite co-writers?00:20:25 --00:21: 32 Jim Lauderdale Yes. The man I've probably written the most songs with is Robert Hunter, who used to write with Jerry Garcia and wrote kind of just so many of the grateful dead songs. And we've probably written about 100 together. And sadly, Robert passed a few years ago, and I've written a lot with John Levanthal, great writer and producer, guitar player, and a lot with OD Blackman and several songs with Harlan Howard, who was one of my songwriting heroes, and also Melbourne Montgomery and Charles Humphrey that will be there at the camp. I really enjoy riding with him a lot.00:21:32 --00:21: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: He's a good guy. I've had him on the sales.00:20136 --00:22: 38 Jim Lauderdal: He really is. He's a good he really is. He's really a really great writer. And we have a few things. I did a bluegrass record at Echo Mountain a few years ago here, and my concept of it was to have North Carolina bands and North Carolina artists do tracks with me for this record. And so, Charles and I have a couple of cowrites on that. And then I've got a song coming up on a country record that's coming out in August of Charles. And I wrote that original I was thinking it was going to be more acoustic and bluegrass, and then now it's kind of more of a western not western swing, but slight swing thing. Well, I guess you could call it a western swing. Swing to it, right? Yeah. So that's going to be great to work with him at this camp.00:22:38 --00:22: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Is the swing a hard thing to get into performing?00:22:42 --00:22: 52 Jim Lauderdale: No, it's good. Not think it breaks up the other grooves you might be doing. I really like it a lot.00:22:52 --00:23: 16 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Yeah. The reason I asked is my wife is actually a Brazilian percussionist, a swing in that that you have to have or it's just no good. Right. She's done all right with that. It's an advocation, but she got to be on Saturday Night Live and that sort of thing. 00:23:17 --00:23: 18 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, that's awesome.00:23:18 --00:23: 20 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: That's a great hobby.00:23:20 --00:23: 25 Jim Lauderdale:  Yeah, that's terrific.00:23:26 --00:23: 29 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Which do you prefer? Do you prefer writing or do you prefer performing?00:23:29 --00:24: 15 Jim Lauderdale: I like them both. They both have their attractions and fulfilling things about them. It's a great feeling to write a song and then it's great in those circumstances when you're on stage and then you get to do those songs and interact with people, interact with the audience. And if you're playing in a band setting, those other musicians. So, I wouldn't be able to choose one from the other.00:24:16 --00:24: 18 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Have you done, like, over 30 albums? Is that right? 00:24:19 --00:24: 22 Jim Lauderdale This will be my 35th coming out in August.00:24:22--00:24: 23 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Wow. Yeah. What's the name of that one coming out in August?00:24:23 --00:24: 24 Jim Lauderdale Game Changer. 00:24:24--00:24: 25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Game Changer. And00:24: 32 --00:24: 56 Jim Lauderdale: it's a country record. I consciously I kind of go in different cycles with records, whether it's country, bluegrass, kind of singer-songwriter, soul or blues rock, or whatever. And this is a consciously focused country record.00:24:56 --00:24: 58 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: That's fabulous. Of all your records, which one is your favorite?00:25:01 --00:25: 14 Jim Lauderdale: I can't decide. I mean, I really don't have a favorite because a lot of times the most current record is the favorite one.00:25:14 --00:25: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  It said as the tea surpasses. People would ask the question, what's your favorite painting and they say, the last one. But I think there's a lot of truth to that. Yeah. When you hear a song or you see a song that you've written or listen to it, do you think, oh, I could improve it? There's something I should have done to improve it here? 00:25:42 --00:26: 10 Jim Lauderdale: Not really, no. I'm always if I hear somebody doing one of my songs, I'm just so elated that somebody else is doing, and I've never heard I've been asked before if I've ever been disappointed in a song offer, and I never have. It's always just real rewarding to hear somebody else's take on it.00:26:10 -00:26:14 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Cool. Well, people come into the songwriter camp. What kind of things can we expect?00:26:17--00:26: 55 Jim Lauderdale: I think hopefully they'll walk away from that camp with a different take on their own writing and that they will be able to incorporate some of the tips and methods and things like that and suggestions and that. They'll walk out of there feeling more confident about their writing and their minds will be more open to things and their creativity, hopefully, will expand.00:26:55 -00:27:00 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: And will you give them insights on how to pursue a songwriting career and that sort of thing?00:27:00 --00:28: 59 Jim Lauderdale: I think first somebody's got to develop their catalog. They've got to have a body of work to and it doesn't have to be hundreds of songs or anything. You could have ten or 15 songs and go out there and try, but it's a process we won't get into because, see, the business part of things changes a lot all the time. But, basically my thing to people, and to myself, too, is that you have got to constantly challenge yourself. If you feel like, hey, this one song am I, this is it. This is going to change everything. It's going to change my life. This is going to open up the doors. That's terrific that you've got that song, but you've got to keep going and create another one and another one and another one. Not to just set that aside and go, well, Madison, but to build on what you're doing. And I feel like it might be naive or old fashioned or something, but I feel that when the songs are there, then those doors open. But it doesn't matter what kind of contacts you have or this or that. The songs have to be there. 00:28:59 -00:29:02 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, there's less than people write a good song, they can sing a good song, right? 00:29:02 -- 00:30:22 Jim Lauderdale Well, maybe, possibly, but sometimes it's mentioning that one song that somebody has. Some people have had careers, though, off of one song, but I think it's good to kind of be well rounded and have, let's say if you're outperforming, if you're a performing singer-songwriter, you've got to have a whole set of songs that you really feel are stand up to other people, other writers that you really like, and to your other good ones. And of course, that's a process. It doesn't happen all at once. It's like an art show. You've got to have a room full of art. You might have that one painting in the show. Yeah. And hopefully, those paintings in the room will be just as compelling.00:30:24 -00:30:31 Joseph Franklyn McElroy Your whole body of work. I know in other writing professions, there's writer's block. There's a writer's block in songwriting as well.00:30:32 -- 00:31:17 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, yeah, definitely. Yes. If we only had a series, we could do, Right? It would be a marathon. Yeah. I think that anybody that's riding something, will come across that rider block. That's one of the secrets I will talk about during this songwriter's workshop of how to break free of that rider's block.00:31:18 -- 00:31:19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Oh, wow.00:31:21 -- 00:31:34 Jim Lauderdale I would say right now, but people will have to come to see that one time. 00:31:34 -- 00:31:43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  That's the magic sauce, folks. Now you can learn, especially if you're starting out, you probably have riders block a lot.00:31:43 -- 00:32:45 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, you do. But it takes practice and getting through growing as a writer, and you'll go through different steps and stages and things and just keepexpanding your abilities as time goes on. The more you do it, that 10,000. What is the expression when you do something for 10,000 hours, then you are good at something like that? Now you won't have to do that long, especially with the techniques people will be learning at this camp. They'll take a shortcut of 10 hours instead of 10,000.00:32:45 -- 00:33:06 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: There you, That's a big promise, man. I knew you had that big thing in you. Oh, that's great. And then you guys can have an all- star concert on the finale, right?00:33:06 -- 00:32:08 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah.00:33:08 -- 00:33:12 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: So, have you prepared to play this?00:33:012 -- 00:33:58 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, we'll jam. I'm sure we'll talk about it before we get up there but on stage. But that's the cool thing about people can pick up. They can look at you while you're playing, or you can just say, Kia, this is like a one, four, five progressions. I'll kick it off. Whatever. It's fun to jam like that with people and hear what comes out.00:33:58 -- 00:34:25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: So, it's going to be a fabulous time. I've got my whole family booked in at our motel, Meadowlark Motel, where it's going to be. That's great to be here because we're excited just to be around it. It's a two-day thing. It's two concerts. I imagine there'd be some jamming as well. Oh, yeah. Wonderful meals. I'm a cookie guy. Breakfast on Saturday morning.00:34:25 -- 00:34:28 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, nice. Yeah. Great. I'm a supporter of that. I'm a big breakfast guy. 00:34:28 -- 00:34:33 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Have your requests? What do you like for breakfast?00:34:33 -- 00:34:40 Jim Lauderdale: You know what? Whatever you have I'm sure will be delicious.00:34:43 -- 00:34:50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, I can range from chicken fried steak to tomatoes with a smoked trout dip. Whatever slowed to you folk.00:34:50-- 00:34:52 Jim Lauderdale: Stop. You making me hungry.00:34:54 -- 00:34:56 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  So, what's next for you?00:34:56-- 00:35:23 Jim Lauderdale:  I am working on my follow-up to the Game Changer record, and that's coming out, and several bluegrass things right now. And I have a fair amount of gigs coming up starting in September until the rest of the year.00:35:24 -- 00:35:36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Okay. Yeah. Cool. And are there any shoutouts you want to do? Any websites or anything you want to mention for people checking things out?00:35:36-- 00:36:02 Jim Lauderdale:  I guess my website is Jimlauderdalemusic.com and then all the social media things, I've got stuff on those. Yeah. So that's kind of got the current things that will be happening on there listed.00:36:02 -- 00:36:19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I will be sure to follow some of that. That is exciting for us. I want to thank you for being on this podcast and also thank you for doing this campaign.00:36:20-- 00:36:56 Jim Lauderdale: Guess I'll say one more thing about the camp. When you're a kid and you went camping and how much you enjoyed it and everything, this camp will make those times when you're a kid look like a Greek tragedy. This camp is going to be even though it's short, we don't have time these days to go to a summer camp for two weeks. We cram all the gusto in two days.00:37:02 -- 00:37:35 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: In a day and two- days, it'll be the center of your life for the rest of your existence. That's right. It'll be the sun about which your life repeats. Yes. Well, that's fabulous. We are about to change people's lives and looking forward to it. Well, thank you. This has been the Gateway to the Smokies podcast. You can find us@ facebook.com GatewaytotheSmokies and also smokiesadventure.com and there'll be this episode as well as other episodes on that website that you can find. Thank you much. And that's it.00:37:35-- 00:37:36 Jim Lauderdale: Thanks a lot.Bye!

Guest: RICHARD HURLEYIn this episode, you'll learn from our guest today some of the great advice for musicians and musicians-to-be and we are glad to have him on the show today! We're pleased to introduce our special guest today, Richard Hurley, a Canton, N.C. native, and UNC grad who is a veteran of the U.S. Navy, a former radio DJ, and a renowned award-winning songwriter and musician. He is active in community work, serving on various boards and as an emcee for Folkmoot, Shindig on the Green, the Mountain Dance & Folk Festival, and the Bascom Lamar Lunsford Festival, while also promoting area musical events along with his own musical projects –Cataloochee, and My Mountains, My Songs. He now resides in Asheville, N.C. In this podcast episode, he will discuss the North Carolina mountain music scene, his involvement in the community, his first (and second) music project as well as upcoming events in the area. https://richardhurleymusic.com/Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTESSEGMENT 1August 1963 WBTL station was when it opened. He worked there during college promoting rock and country to other younger people. He got to do MC gigs in which he picked skills from people around him. Florida Boys and Old Kingsmen were some of the music they played. He admits to being naive when starting off playing, but now has a collection of guitars. He had the opportunity to work with JFK's personal naval aid. In the Navy, he got influenced by the chief of naval operations, and so he wrote a song on guitar and got it recorded. His song was inspired by Zumwalt (chief) and his z-grams, he got to meet up with him as Zumwalt thanked him in person and over letter for the song.SEGMENT 2In 1981 he made a record called The Ballet of Old Fort. He worked with the Crow Brothers, Raymond Fairchild, and Arnold Freeman. He used to casually play it for people and got encouragement to record it. Jimmy Haney and he worked as disc jocks. He was one of the speakers at Fairchild and stated “there's only one Raymond Fairchild''. They both had a close friendship and also looked up to each other as artists. Eddie Swan worked for Regal Media, he recorded people like Ben Skill, David Wilcox, and Brian Sutton over the span of his 50-year career. He had a homemade washtub bass and he used to carry it to a tomato festival in Canton with his brother to play there.SEGMENT 3His first project is called “My Mountain, My Songs”. He started it with a throwback, Old Fort. He received an award from the North Carolina Society of Historians for the historical value of his album. One of his songs was about the Coal Mountain Bomber Crash. He also sang about the floods of ‘04.SEGMENT 4He's been taking part in volunteer activities. Shindig on the Green starts this Saturday at the courthouse 7-10 pm. Mark Pruit took part in that event. Bearshare started in 1979, it was a great festival. His website has places to purchase his albums. Towards the end, a child breaks into the podcast recording to blow a raspberry at Hurley.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:41.040 –> 00:00:48.600 Joseph McElroy: Howdy, Welcome to the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast, this podcast is about America's most visited National Park.00:00:48.960 –> 00:01:01.410 Joseph McElroy: The Great Smoky Mountain National Park and the surrounding towns. This area is filled with ancient natural beauty, a deep-storied history, and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes. 00:01:01.890 –> 00:01:12.990 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklyn McElroy, a man of the world, but also with deep roots in these mountains. My family has lived in the Great Smokies for over 200 years. My business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:13.650 –> 00:01:24.330 Joseph McElroy: Today we're talking about Songs and then Cataloochee Valley by Richard hurley but first, let's talk about our sponsors.00:01:25.590 –> 00:01:34.470 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past, yet modern and vibrant with a “Chic Appalachian” feel. A place for adventure and for relaxation.00:01:35.130 –> 00:01:44.040 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain heritage trout stream, grill the catch on fire, and eat accompanied by fine wine or craft beers.00:01:44.850 –> 00:01:57.420 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sounds. There is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, NC – your Smoky Mountain Adventures Start with Where You Stay.00:01:58.770 –> 00:02:04.080 Joseph McElroy: and others sponsor smokiesadventure.com that smokies plural adventure singular.00:02:04.740 –> 00:02:19.200 Joseph McElroy: The Smoky Mountains and surrounding area is a vacation destination for all seasons. Some of the nation's best hiking trails, waterfalls, outdoor adventures, and family entertainment can be found right here.00:02:19.890 –> 00:02:30.780 Joseph McElroy: Start your adventure by using SmokiesAdventure.com to explore all the wonderful features of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park: trails, waterfalls, Cades Cove, and more.00:02:31.200 –> 00:02:37.680 Joseph McElroy: Then check out all the awesome family attractions and entertainment you and your entire family can enjoy.00:02:38.100 –> 00:02:51.930 Joseph McElroy: And if you look at it, have a life event somewhere like a wedding or a honeymoon and we got you covered there go to smokies adventure.com is one of the leading information portals for adventures and experiences and the Great Smoky Mountains.00:02:53.370 –> 00:02:57.390 Joseph McElroy: So welcome you can see we're sitting in the basement of the Meadowlark Motel00:02:58.620 –> 00:03:05.730 Joseph McElroy: At the Speakeasy where we have underground speakeasy and we're gonna have some upcoming events at the Meadowlark Motel will tell you about.00:03:06.120 –> 00:03:19.920 Joseph McElroy: On July 9 we're having a wildcrafting and mother nature's natural garden program with the legendary Illa hatter it starts on Saturday, July 9th at 10 am with the program featuring.00:03:21.210 –> 00:03:30.570 Joseph McElroy: legendary wildcrafting expert, renowned author, filmmaker, instructor, and tour guide for the GSM National Park's elite GSM Field School educational programs, Illa Hatter.00:03:31.260 –> 00:03:42.090 Joseph McElroy: she's an is an expert on edible plants, medicinal herbs, and anything pertaining to wildcraft foraging and Appalachian plants, trees, and flowers.00:03:42.420 –> 00:03:56.190 Joseph McElroy: She has been featured on a variety of national television shows, videos, and books, and has worked as an advisor for multiple movies and television shows. she is an iconic female a smoky soon-to-be featured in one of our name theme groups.00:03:57.900 –> 00:04:13.350 Joseph McElroy: She will be presenting her beloved program Mother Nature's Natural Garden and leading a short tour of the grounds identifying nature's bounty that can be found in our own back yards.00:04:14.520 –> 00:04:20.640 Joseph McElroy: And then there'll be a free Barbecue supper and music by  Mike Ogletree and friends Saturday evening.00:04:21.210 –> 00:04:26.760 Joseph McElroy: $20 per person per night guests and it's free for motel disappeared as club members.00:04:27.540 –> 00:04:46.140 Joseph McElroy: Now a big event coming For those of you who want to learn how to write songs is August 12 and 13th we're having SONGWRITERS CAMP AND CONCERT WITH GRAMMY-WINNING ARTISTS JIM LAUDERDALE AND CHARLES HUMPHREYS III, ALONG WITH AWARD-WINNING ARTISTS DARREN NICHOLSON, CLAY MILLS, AND CHARLES CHAMBERLAIN.00:04:48.690 –> 00:04:54.420 Joseph McElroy: You won't get an opportunity like this very often in your life if you're wanting to really balancing.00:04:54.690 –> 00:05:01.140 Joseph McElroy: hanging out with grammy award-winning artists it's a two-day event of interactive songwriting structures with world-class musicians.00:05:01.440 –> 00:05:13.260 Joseph McElroy: a demo tape produced for each participant, a concert by the Songs From the Road Band on Friday Night, and a BBQ dinner and all-star concert on Saturday night.00:05:14.010 –> 00:05:24.150 Joseph McElroy: This is a unique event, no other place there's nothing, nothing else like it, and it will be a space will be limited to make sure that every participant gets into the.00:05:25.680 –> 00:05:31.110 Joseph McElroy: Attention the price is 675 dollars per person including all activities and the DEMO tape.00:05:31.440 –> 00:05:51.840 Joseph McElroy: The concerts and the dinner and everything else and their special room packages available for those that want to stay overnight at the meadowlark motel so call 8289261717 for details and the reserve your space and the reserve room again 8289261717 to get your place.00:05:52.860 –> 00:05:58.260 Joseph McElroy: there are also limited tickets available, just for the concerts and you can get those as well.00:05:59.850 –> 00:06:03.420 Joseph McElroy: Today, I have a great guest his name is Richard Hurley.00:06:05.010 –> 00:06:08.400 Joseph McElroy: He's a Canton, N.C. native, and UNC graduate I won't hold against.00:06:11.970 –> 00:06:21.270 Joseph McElroy: Is a vendor to the US day my friend, yeah he's a former radio DJ and renowned award-winning songwriter and musician.00:06:21.840 –> 00:06:34.710 Joseph McElroy: is active in Community work in service and serving on various boards and as an MC for food shindig on the green the mountain dance and folk festival, and the basket l'amour longsword festival.00:06:35.130 –> 00:06:47.010 Joseph McElroy: while also promoting area music events, along with his own musical projects will talk which we'll talk about Cataloochee and my mountains my song he resides in Asheville North Carolina my new home.00:06:50.820 –> 00:07:01.740 Joseph McElroy: So let's jump into something exciting, you are a DJ or w pto, and can we just spend about 17 years they tell us that actually a.00:07:02.430 –> 00:07:09.420 Joseph McElroy: station opened in August of 1963 there's already one station there that started in 1954.00:07:09.810 –> 00:07:16.080 Joseph McElroy: And the guy who made fresh they won't have a country station, because there was no kind of crustacean camp, so the open web GL.00:07:16.500 –> 00:07:27.660 Joseph McElroy: August of 63 what I wanted to have a high school kid that could bring in the hospital audience, so I got the gig has to be asked this jockey and that's back when Lou I for.00:07:28.740 –> 00:07:39.630 Joseph McElroy: us back in the dark ages, but I work there you're in college and before all the service in 1970 so was there off and on and had a great time and.00:07:40.410 –> 00:07:48.480 Joseph McElroy: learn a lot and got to play a lot, a lot of old country music at that time, some Gospel music rock music listening music play with it at all, it.00:07:49.140 –> 00:08:01.020 Joseph McElroy: was quite a fun time in my early career, yes, and how was it was help you in your career-defining experiences where your performance ability to do a performance there did yeah.00:08:01.560 –> 00:08:11.400 Joseph McElroy: It led me into doing some MC gigs which I carried on time I'm an MC stuff so yeah it was helpful in that regard and.00:08:12.810 –> 00:08:22.290 Joseph McElroy: You know, having to work there are a lot of people that came through that well you kind of pick up something from everybody you're exposed to in the music business like that so yeah it was quite helpful, then.00:08:22.560 –> 00:08:34.320 Joseph McElroy: Then, when I started doing shows later on the 80s and a lot of these old records I'd played back in the 60s were songs I learned back then, of course, I was influenced by a lot of those artists in the country and.00:08:34.680 –> 00:08:43.950 Joseph McElroy: The Kingston Trio, and some of the folks to hit 1958 when the case, the tree okay mouth Tom ui that just changed the world because I love it.00:08:44.820 –> 00:08:58.110 Joseph McElroy: It made this country teammate all the char key so so that is kind of what got me started running into that my folks got me Wendy when I was about 12 and I learned to play that and I bought a 10 hour day guitar for buddy mind.00:08:58.650 –> 00:09:04.170 Joseph McElroy: And that's kind of how I got to start making music and you got it you started, playing on the radio.00:09:04.680 –> 00:09:12.660 Joseph McElroy: Some early on to write a little bit i'd written a song about the know smothers market there and cam oh I just had his father's on.00:09:13.590 –> 00:09:24.960 Joseph McElroy: The smothers the sun yeah is that resembles they have here on the show granddaddy yeah and so, and that was mathers have a at the grocery store back man.00:09:25.470 –> 00:09:35.400 Joseph McElroy: And I wrote a song called Underwood it was like under what don't you wish we could anyway, we my brother's nice to play some of the only played at the Cannes first and made a festival.00:09:36.900 –> 00:09:45.930 Joseph McElroy: The new old why gone now when I recorded that just to you know they track tape back then, which both your sprinkler so, can you play that song.00:09:50.310 –> 00:10:00.420 Joseph McElroy: ready to record the, yeah Those are all good experiences, did you click Gospel to play Gospel on the air Yesterday we had a program called the Gospel care of and it's like 11 to 12.00:10:00.930 –> 00:10:08.850 Joseph McElroy: That I can just come in at nine, it was cold country star time in the guy named Jimmy hey Andy was a big influence on me early on, see behind there's a local musician he's.00:10:09.210 –> 00:10:20.250 Joseph McElroy: been gone number of years, but he was a he's an award-winning folk singer in fact team is the national focusing champion, I think it was 1950 or there abouts and a big influence on me, because he used to come to the grammar schools.00:10:20.610 –> 00:10:30.780 Joseph McElroy: And play programs us wow i'm going to be that one of these days, so that was kind of started Jimmy used to sign on six gutter 999 to 11 of.00:10:31.170 –> 00:10:40.860 Joseph McElroy: Country music and 11 to 12 Gospel man i'd come back to and go to two 330 with the country music and not go the easy listing is 330 to sign off.00:10:41.790 –> 00:10:52.890 Joseph McElroy: But it has to the rock the rock show was like 330 to 630 or something likely no experience I asked about the Gospel and I am one of the one of the.00:10:53.430 –> 00:11:11.550 Joseph McElroy: You know i've traveled a bit and one of the most popular brunches I ever saw was actually in Barbados yeah they had a Gospel brunch right they have run some even have a good old Gospel music right yeah people love that I would say that would probably go well, here too, yeah.00:11:13.770 –> 00:11:27.120 Joseph McElroy: Gospel me to certainly been popular in the south, for years and years yeah no he's play a lot of the old groups that you know the old Florida boys and the old kings cream local group and people like that.00:11:28.080 –> 00:11:39.120 Joseph McElroy: Number number of those great and there were some local people are bigger than the Gospel music did quite well Francis play lock and dam was a locally that's a big hit here and Haywood county back in the 60s there.00:11:40.860 –> 00:11:43.500 Joseph McElroy: But what was the what how did you learn to play.00:11:44.730 –> 00:11:51.090 Joseph McElroy: I got a Mel Bay 50-cent book shows the three chords C D E, F, and G.00:11:51.720 –> 00:12:05.880 Joseph McElroy: And the other progressions and I just kind of picked it up, but I was so naive, but that i'm embarrassed to say this, but i'm going to tell you to know, I was so naive I didn't have another you know but it's a play on territory, I didn't realize you had to change strings.00:12:07.740 –> 00:12:19.950 Joseph McElroy: Okay, once you know it doesn't matter you get a string I didn't even know that I learned later on, but that's how long did you almost entirely learn to do today, did you have some mentors are learning almost.00:12:22.110 –> 00:12:36.630 Joseph McElroy: All the gifts little G one gifts in the problem of 50s model for about I think I paid $25 for a buddy of mine and I eventually I got an Aston Martin guitar years later, that you know goes collects the guitars.00:12:38.400 –> 00:12:54.210 Joseph McElroy: that's pretty cool so you went off to your high school, then you went off to unc first are going to go the baby first went to usc usc usc yeah I started at usc I tell people is back when the tar heels we're still playing woman gym.00:12:56.250 –> 00:13:04.020 Joseph McElroy: Dean Dome that was before carmichael born with a we're playing a little again music Cunningham, was a senior housing right right so.00:13:04.800 –> 00:13:11.580 Joseph McElroy: that's how I got started when I would come home from school breaks, I would go back to the station and do vacation relief stuff like that and.00:13:12.060 –> 00:13:17.940 Joseph McElroy: I worked at Campo networks, the mail can't mill one summer season seven which is great experience paper.00:13:18.900 –> 00:13:29.040 Joseph McElroy: Paper data that helped me with my career later I got an extreme rarity coming so then after you and see you another baby yeah it was it was during the.com era where I.00:13:29.400 –> 00:13:36.330 Joseph McElroy: went out and did had one job interview, and they said come see us when you're through the starters, nobody would argue you got the service.00:13:37.350 –> 00:13:45.900 Joseph McElroy: So I ended up going to the program that required drilling for a year and then I went in on D for two years and then another three year obligation but.00:13:46.410 –> 00:13:52.620 Joseph McElroy: I was fortunate, I was on the USS wash, which is an aircraft carrier and we were in the North Atlantic up there.00:13:53.370 –> 00:14:06.390 Joseph McElroy: Doing maneuvers and but i've had the privilege to work with JFK personal naval eight so that was quite an experience I learned a lot from those guys and that all all those experiences help you later in life, you know I got it.00:14:07.500 –> 00:14:20.790 Joseph McElroy: cool and that was that was also the start of some my songwriting is in the navy the navy because i've got a memo zoom Lol Chief of naval operations back and he was loosening up the navy, let the skies where.00:14:22.380 –> 00:14:28.770 Joseph McElroy: He would come out these see grams, you know for some walls, the grams, and so I wrote a song called the balance is a graph.00:14:30.090 –> 00:14:47.970 Joseph McElroy: The Admiral heard about it, he called me to stay room and i've already guitar on our platform he wanted to send it to zoom wall record a little fork and say yeah little real real three inch screen record it you send it to zoom wall and month or so later I get this letter for.00:14:50.580 –> 00:14:56.760 Joseph McElroy: letter their little list of the guy says, you know, dear petty officer hurley Thank you so much for your song about.00:14:58.620 –> 00:15:05.910 Joseph McElroy: And he and I connect about seven years later, when he was out, and I was it came to Asheville to bait nuclear-armed with some retired general.00:15:06.360 –> 00:15:13.560 Joseph McElroy: And I walked up to him after the speech I said, George space, I do not remember the side of the road song about you and he said yeah I said on that side.00:15:15.570 –> 00:15:25.500 Joseph McElroy: Of the thought, he just met john, okay well cool well, we have to take a break now Sir so then we'll come back we'll talk more about your career in business and then in music, thank you.00:17:40.830 –> 00:17:47.430 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies podcasts and my guest Richard Hurley.00:17:47.880 –> 00:17:57.960 Joseph McElroy: So Richard after the navy, you had a long career as an HR manager for square D how's that good company well I just got real lucky because I come home.00:17:58.770 –> 00:18:08.460 Joseph McElroy: About three months before i'm supposed to get out of service and put an application and I had a cousin worked over there, and he put in a good word for me, I went into.00:18:08.940 –> 00:18:16.560 Joseph McElroy: That time I called personnel supervisory like backwards personnel manager personnel his word I started out the second seat and moved up.00:18:17.010 –> 00:18:28.140 Joseph McElroy: For years later I guess the first seat and and but my own volition, I wanted to stay in Nashville yeah so I thought Tom to I might have to move, but it worked out and it's great company they trade as well.00:18:28.590 –> 00:18:37.920 Joseph McElroy: And it was very giving kind of very caring complete and coming to the law united way and give a lot give a lot of bucks to the Community and various organizations out there.00:18:38.820 –> 00:18:57.540 Joseph McElroy: So I had a wonderful career cool did you get to play music, while you're while you're in that career not not in that role ticket I was out playing places i've crossed I did a record not team at one a coma valuable for mountain yeah remember that record a really.00:18:59.130 –> 00:19:08.730 Joseph McElroy: good idea as a 45 and dude legendary greatest of all banjo player Raymond Fairchild light on and Raymond I go back way back.00:19:09.540 –> 00:19:17.670 Joseph McElroy: The guy got Mr freeman has gone also and then the programmers who are popular good a tour with Raymond he's played with picking the brain.00:19:18.120 –> 00:19:29.040 Joseph McElroy: So i've written the song battle for mountain i've seen at parties and people see all the record that so as last time and then one day I said i'm not gonna turn around 10 years from now, and say what If so, I.00:19:29.730 –> 00:19:46.980 Joseph McElroy: called her brain is that would you got me and he said sure be led to some are also we got together having to be August 12 at one i've been coached now when you go to that studio do you're rehearsing before you go in there because that's money yeah right.00:19:49.980 –> 00:19:54.900 Joseph McElroy: Back stuff order ish will be asked our our weekly break door.00:19:55.650 –> 00:20:03.480 Joseph McElroy: And i'm sweating bullets and walk in that studio is following our with now on the studio and they said, like three Max back in those days now.00:20:03.870 –> 00:20:14.520 Joseph McElroy: According whole different ballgame instead of like three months and I kicked off on the guitar right and they jumped in this music, it was just fabulous and they just made that song so.00:20:15.540 –> 00:20:27.270 Joseph McElroy: It was 45 rpm so we took pto course never wc and w devotees but they all start playing on a call, so I saw him through angles markets, not so.00:20:27.870 –> 00:20:35.370 Joseph McElroy: pressed a couple of thousand problems, so I get a few hundred bucks but it kind of summer here when I was a kid yeah I also you know was looking.00:20:35.820 –> 00:20:39.240 Joseph McElroy: yeah well I don't know a while back, I was looking at what rate and fairchild.00:20:40.050 –> 00:20:48.030 Joseph McElroy: That record came out with him being on air yeah Yes, he was something else, but he he helped me out with that and it's all my first albums.00:20:48.510 –> 00:20:59.220 Joseph McElroy: Are all the songs on my to our songs i've written and the first album my mountains my songs I put that on air as a bonus track all the other tracks are things that we recorded so.00:20:59.790 –> 00:21:09.270 Joseph McElroy: cool yeah Bob Plott, you know, is the GM of the Meadowlark Smoky Mountain Heritage Center and he also helps put together.00:21:09.570 –> 00:21:17.610 Joseph McElroy: Some of the information of your questions and he mentioned that you mentioned one of them already rent Fairchild and when the other big musical influence was.00:21:17.940 –> 00:21:28.020 Joseph McElroy: Jimmy haney yeah I mentioned Jimmy a little bit earlier that we'd work together is discharged and he was like say when I was very school didn't come around to schools and play.00:21:28.500 –> 00:21:36.510 Joseph McElroy: ramin here's the store matt Ryan, that when Raymond was very before he became Raymond Fairchild famous like he was.00:21:37.200 –> 00:21:43.080 Joseph McElroy: He was working around these parts and he had done a wreck he'd done his first record old similar record was and.00:21:43.920 –> 00:21:56.910 Joseph McElroy: my brother came home with that record now listen to that man, this is just difference it's just it was like a snake charmer he just he had he had a way of playing songs that just drew me in.00:21:57.360 –> 00:22:08.040 Joseph McElroy: So I got some maintenance management time to evaluate he'd give me copies of his records without playing them on my program and then occasionally he another guy we have breakfast down.00:22:08.310 –> 00:22:17.460 Joseph McElroy: Little restaurants can either bottomless pit of on the show and play for 20 minutes or so, so that was how my friendship with Raymond started way back when.00:22:18.240 –> 00:22:30.120 Joseph McElroy: But, but he was he was really something else, and then, when he went to the brand debut the grand Ole opry and 78 he invited me to go live in essence up with down lana pick your brother.00:22:31.020 –> 00:22:39.030 Joseph McElroy: Already about for went over to the national we got to go backstage and all that one written bill Monroe balls hot dogs that would.00:22:40.980 –> 00:22:46.290 Joseph McElroy: Go out there Raymond walked out there and start playing and they had never heard it.00:22:47.700 –> 00:22:51.330 Joseph McElroy: encores of standing ovations yeah Raymond Fairchild00:22:53.160 –> 00:22:56.190 Joseph McElroy: Or, he was His grace banjo I think grace man.00:22:58.350 –> 00:23:05.160 Joseph McElroy: You could do it yeah and then, when he played here in the valley you remember the matter with me about the Opera House yeah like there.00:23:05.520 –> 00:23:16.650 Joseph McElroy: For years and was there, so yeah yeah but every time I would go in case, yet they see in his wife sure we had that business for number of years for writing and passed in October Tina thing was.00:23:17.070 –> 00:23:26.550 Joseph McElroy: Every time I go in the shadows he'd see me in the audience and so on his old friend is richer heard he used to play my record, so they played he played my record so much that they fired.00:23:28.530 –> 00:23:40.800 Joseph McElroy: Their more banjo players just ran and fell out there yeah true, of course, I had to build a service that is a That was a good story, and you can you got you did is you, with the right.00:23:41.790 –> 00:23:54.240 Joseph McElroy: Top right, I did I was asked to speak and I much some other people, but I was extremely flattered to be part of the one of the speakers that spoke there yeah it's up the stomping ground appear Maggie badly.00:23:55.440 –> 00:24:02.850 Joseph McElroy: And part of my comments, where I said, you know there's only one Elvis there's only one hank liam's there was only one Raymond fair to.00:24:04.140 –> 00:24:12.960 Joseph McElroy: One of my many comments talking about on a great person he was a good family man, he was a loving father and husband and just a great guy.00:24:13.560 –> 00:24:26.400 Joseph McElroy: But he had a gift he had to give a few few they have yet so the way he played that manager, I heard that he's a you know i've been from a value of them, and I have seen him a couple times and I think my dad.00:24:27.720 –> 00:24:28.770 Joseph McElroy: Daniel and i'm sure.00:24:30.660 –> 00:24:36.510 Joseph McElroy: yeah but you know my understanding was he was a great friend, but he was also a little cantankerous.00:24:40.170 –> 00:24:47.520 Joseph McElroy: He raised his music good yes very busy i'll tell you one thing is the Raymond was noted for.00:24:51.150 –> 00:24:52.800 Joseph McElroy: Aware of was.00:24:53.970 –> 00:25:03.510 Joseph McElroy: You know, some towns that have been leaner audiences than others and goes, you know, whatever reason, traffic or whatever, if there was one person that audience about ticket Raymond well and say that.00:25:03.870 –> 00:25:11.730 Joseph McElroy: will be 500 or whatever we're going to play them a good show he whether he play a whole show for one person, but the only matters i'm sorry cancer, he.00:25:12.210 –> 00:25:18.480 Joseph McElroy: said that person management and 500 miles to your show we're going to plan the show that's right he's very caring shorter guy.00:25:19.350 –> 00:25:35.280 Joseph McElroy: Very caring yeah he was the one guy, yeah well yeah we know we're talking about your records that's real Famous people on those records, but there are other Famous people to work with I've got some pretty heavy hitters all my albums.00:25:36.780 –> 00:25:56.130 Joseph McElroy: yeah but they they're people that I work with a guy named at swan yeah and regal music regal media it's a medical media.net website, but but he's he's been in business about 50 years he's reporting people like Ben scale and he's reported recorded David Wilcox.00:25:57.300 –> 00:26:09.330 Joseph McElroy: Brian sudden the great brown certain he's recording squire parsons that great deal and land song right dollars per summit be recorded that and he's worked with a lot of the great spirit.00:26:10.590 –> 00:26:14.370 Joseph McElroy: Anyway, yeah I got to work in an ad and Prince mountains together.00:26:15.600 –> 00:26:17.760 Joseph McElroy: Well, you got some some great ones.00:26:18.930 –> 00:26:27.030 Joseph McElroy: But before we get there, you know what I wanted to do understand you know your your songwriting right and you did some great songs i've read that.00:26:27.570 –> 00:26:37.110 Joseph McElroy: I was looking at, we listened to one and i've seen some of the others and and you're playing a guitar but you play anything else I don't really i'm not play I took a few.00:26:37.530 –> 00:26:46.110 Joseph McElroy: banjo lessons from mark pruitt the grading where he's on one of my hours to market and Martin our friends from way back, but I never could quite get into the banjo so I just like.00:26:47.430 –> 00:26:52.470 Joseph McElroy: I heard you got the the walk handmade watch the bass bass yeah so.00:26:53.610 –> 00:27:04.200 Joseph McElroy: what's that everybody should probably seen, or at least nothing prompts and you'll watch the bass bass so most folks have are not familiar he's turning on tobacco really be go watch.00:27:04.860 –> 00:27:14.250 Joseph McElroy: The one i'm not is over 70 years old, oh yeah sequence and during the home that middle of it and you take an old broomstick and just run a quarter size core.00:27:14.730 –> 00:27:21.450 Joseph McElroy: And you put it on and you hold the stick down the edge of your pocket, and that gives you a base, and it goes because of the tub and I was.00:27:22.440 –> 00:27:38.820 Joseph McElroy: awkward so you could have a vibrant right, so my brother's not playing at this tomato festival years going can't so I carried on part of my act and I tell people I said don't worry I get beaten up your audience the basement and then key is Spanish Oh, because.00:27:40.230 –> 00:27:54.990 Joseph McElroy: that's what that's that's a real fun part of my program and I always preface it by saying that don't worry this tub is is over 70 years old and literally the stick and string have been on there since 1969 oh my gosh it's been British.00:27:57.240 –> 00:27:59.730 Joseph McElroy: Is the shirt but don't worry it'll be okay.00:28:01.140 –> 00:28:02.430 Joseph McElroy: Yes, that's the fun part.00:28:03.510 –> 00:28:12.360 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know I don't know if you ever walked out white wines mainstream you know they have all sorts of sculptures on there yeah what i'm one of the sculptures as a duo.00:28:12.750 –> 00:28:22.680 Joseph McElroy: musicians are there 10 foot tall oh yeah I want them to watch oh yeah you see there, so people you definitely should make a pilgrimage there.00:28:24.180 –> 00:28:31.740 Joseph McElroy: is surprising people don't realize how long a sound that that will make and that's why people develop a years ago they didn't have money to go out and buy things that.00:28:32.370 –> 00:28:50.400 Joseph McElroy: improvised just like my good friend, David holds things on my album you know, David term Doc Watson about 14 years and David plays he plays a number of different instruments on his show when we're doing live shows he played paper bag and plays spoons like bones slugger.00:28:51.900 –> 00:28:56.220 Joseph McElroy: ization improvisation music over the years of development me.00:28:57.780 –> 00:29:02.190 Joseph McElroy: Well, we have to take another break now, when we come back we'll talk about some of your out straight.00:31:08.700 –> 00:31:18.690 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the Gateway to the smokies podcasts and My guest Richard Hurley, so Richard you've got two albums out right?00:31:19.440 –> 00:31:29.760 Joseph McElroy: Can you tell me about your first project was what my mountains by sounds so project called my mountains my songs and I can hold it up to the camera and those people watch it there.00:31:32.640 –> 00:31:46.470 Joseph McElroy: We started out with the old for the song which I mentioned I've written back in the quarterback in 81 I thought well Okay, this is 2013 just a few years later I bought a new cut a record over 30 years or so yeah all right yeah like it's in.00:31:47.520 –> 00:31:50.430 Joseph McElroy: Your cadence or is this musical okay yeah.00:31:53.190 –> 00:32:04.590 Joseph McElroy: I have written a bunch of songs over the years and just take them back in the files and whatnot so I'm sad pull them out and see what we can do with them, so I called a that holds a date I'm thinking about doing an album 20.00:32:05.760 –> 00:32:12.990 Joseph McElroy: Some recommendations well, you need to call josh to go forth josh go forth his genius musician the literature Madison county.00:32:13.620 –> 00:32:19.140 Joseph McElroy: He played all mile they played the lead guitar the rhythm guitar banjo the base the mandolin and fiddle.00:32:19.680 –> 00:32:29.940 Joseph McElroy: Allah and woven together oh wow so so that's how this thing started and we put these 15 songs on here with the old for a song being a bonus track, one of the.00:32:30.300 –> 00:32:41.580 Joseph McElroy: One of the ones you look at the reward thing here that North Carolina society of historians actually gave me a reward the reward for the historical significance of the project.00:32:42.330 –> 00:32:51.450 Joseph McElroy: And there's a song on here about the cold mountain bottom and crash oh yeah a lot of people saw the coal mountain movie, in the end, it was written by Charles Fraser.00:32:51.840 –> 00:32:57.300 Joseph McElroy: Franklin who has connections back to my hometown Cantonese model from their reason anyway.00:32:58.260 –> 00:33:08.640 Joseph McElroy: So the thing, most people don't realize, is that all Friday the 13th September 46 a beat 25 bomber was coming from Detroit to Tampa.00:33:09.180 –> 00:33:25.800 Joseph McElroy: And crashed into the topical mountain Mr bell about 150 feet, they call the Tower at that time in Bristol Tennessee, and so they wanted to go visual So be careful because of kind of nasty and rainy down there the next thing you know lamb youngest general near a core to sergeants to kernels.00:33:27.060 –> 00:33:29.250 Joseph McElroy: Imagine what that was like Crusoe big.00:33:30.360 –> 00:33:41.310 Joseph McElroy: yeah so a lady named George ron's cannon is deceased now she wrote a book about it and back about I guess was in 2012 I saw this book in the movies books here and label.00:33:41.820 –> 00:33:51.270 Joseph McElroy: And I got to look at so Now I know some of these and I read the book and I remembered hearing about it because, as a kid my late brother point over there and mountain across from where I grew up so that's that.00:33:51.840 –> 00:34:03.990 Joseph McElroy: that's plane crash okay fine my scoutmaster you talk, Okay, but it never text on the hack up there, so I went up the mountain couldn't find confining it crashed evidence is all in picked oh.00:34:05.130 –> 00:34:10.890 Joseph McElroy: Really, I wrote the song, so I got doors to a guy named.00:34:14.460 –> 00:34:22.080 Joseph McElroy: Having everything or guy helped me out down the road Moody help me out with this make sure my atma factor accurate.00:34:22.740 –> 00:34:34.290 Joseph McElroy: So, then, we recorded that song and Doris simplest thing to the north county historical society and they basically this whole thing because I got some other historic going on about the slides ago for over a year and i've got some other.00:34:34.770 –> 00:34:44.460 Joseph McElroy: songs similar and they gave you the historical and okay yeah I want to know why people get that but it's still a nice it's nice to get it yes.00:34:45.930 –> 00:34:49.980 Joseph McElroy: it's not a participation prize it actually does work.00:34:51.540 –> 00:34:53.370 Joseph McElroy: yeah exactly exactly.00:34:54.660 –> 00:34:58.830 Joseph McElroy: So you have you gotta go you gotta know saw you got a real a.00:34:59.340 –> 00:35:07.080 Joseph McElroy: Real it's real work, so you got a good thing, so this one, this one came out 13 and josh these musics is famous for singing swan the engineer, I mean he knows what he's doing.00:35:07.950 –> 00:35:21.060 Joseph McElroy: His fifth year so fast forward to 2021 I came out of this album fleet song Cataloochee, which is you know you know music to my heart to them now you alleys.00:35:21.510 –> 00:35:25.650 Joseph McElroy: Post account Lucy Lucy bow they've got the elk and everything else so.00:35:26.160 –> 00:35:26.760 Joseph McElroy: So tell us.00:35:27.000 –> 00:35:35.130 Joseph McElroy: Tell us the story of this one, the backstory is that there's a guy named Steve what he's a friend of mine, and he is a descendant of the old woody family, the life back in capital h.00:35:35.190 –> 00:35:43.800 Joseph McElroy: er and Steve one time there nationally known each other for years, he said, I said I understand you're having your big reunion coming up having here like first second weekend in August.00:35:44.100 –> 00:35:49.920 Joseph McElroy: Is yeah why don't you come about gifts, so now let's do that because I never been reading i've been Cataloochee00:35:50.310 –> 00:36:02.130 Joseph McElroy: So I went to the reunion and he got monitors church service there and during the shirts or is he going to do some politicians, then introduced me and said somebody might know Richard you know to pay with boy write songs just.00:36:02.760 –> 00:36:05.370 Joseph McElroy: said, I think he already song that Kevin did you, what do you all.00:36:08.460 –> 00:36:09.360 Joseph McElroy: feel blackmailing.00:36:11.250 –> 00:36:12.090 Joseph McElroy: wrote a song about.00:36:13.890 –> 00:36:25.710 Joseph McElroy: This research on it and the song and then he asked me to come play it, so I went back and played what that was 19 in August of 19 I played it live at church service oh that's Nice.00:36:26.310 –> 00:36:35.370 Joseph McElroy: I don't mean this to sound right people got emotional I got it I got emotional I don't know which one i'm Scott materials.00:36:36.900 –> 00:36:46.710 Joseph McElroy: emotional standing there and then I said i'm going to have to record it so we record it and got us some different players on this, some of the phone you got some great people on this.00:36:47.280 –> 00:36:53.670 Joseph McElroy: I mean, these are credible yeah TIM CERT and Darren Nicholson, both with balsam range or on their tone increases.00:36:54.150 –> 00:37:01.620 Joseph McElroy: percussionist that works these kind of movement else's grammar need work to Glen Campbell waylon are not waiting merle haggard and.00:37:02.010 –> 00:37:12.060 Joseph McElroy: James Taylor some of those guys and then, of course, David holds on Bobby hicks won a grammy with ricky skaggs the same time that mark did and RON said another little boy.00:37:12.600 –> 00:37:19.470 Joseph McElroy: So he's a 10 time grammy award actually bring to get him to help us out thanks to my buddy so we got some.00:37:20.010 –> 00:37:31.260 Joseph McElroy: Pretty heavy hitters not a dedicated this album to my old friend Ray M and fairchild there you go but he's got the cattle he song and it's got a number of other so there's one song on there you got the legend of losing weight.00:37:32.400 –> 00:37:39.600 Joseph McElroy: This week, there is Buddhism, can you give us a short version of what that is not sure what is a boogeyman.00:37:40.110 –> 00:37:44.100 Joseph McElroy: is actually a story that goes back in the legend goes back in the 1800s.00:37:44.370 –> 00:37:54.150 Joseph McElroy: And up like Logan which used to be on a champion paper back in the old days you had a little boogeyman cave in there is big picture of the boogeyman which is now in the in the downtown teflon.00:37:54.630 –> 00:38:05.010 Joseph McElroy: Remember yeah so patch mathers was the Mayor of can now he was he's been Mayor of can he called me up so we're going to the festival about food too much come in and see if I said to.00:38:05.430 –> 00:38:17.400 Joseph McElroy: And I said we'll go around song about it, so we wrote record a song called the legend of the blue, and it's all about the history of the book eight foot shaggy and eight foot tall and Shay you catch you move from.00:38:18.570 –> 00:38:21.480 Joseph McElroy: That it was it was that a big thing in canton.00:38:22.710 –> 00:38:36.570 Joseph McElroy: Where there was a bigger because he doesn't really remember, since he was in 1616 2016 so the legend came up with us from played the song, I wrote the song for that festival it only had that one year didn't.00:38:37.650 –> 00:38:46.920 Joseph McElroy: see that didn't happen after that, but you know the songs the songs on there and there's a guy named Dave Johnson place about 20 different instruments it's quite.00:38:47.400 –> 00:39:02.220 Joseph McElroy: Another local board down so that old for somewhere plays a mean plays everything he did all the music God and it came out pretty well and there's The thing is that when when i've given this to folks to original head is a single the kids get into this any kid.00:39:04.590 –> 00:39:11.850 Joseph McElroy: I guess it's the sound of the name boom oh yeah with it, but the story was a he had a penchant for two things he liked to go.00:39:12.390 –> 00:39:20.400 Joseph McElroy: He would hide out in the Bush is he was he was he was haven't counted version of victory right yeah see it out our leads there and he'd see the girls and their.00:39:21.240 –> 00:39:30.720 Joseph McElroy: Different pools, and then he said, the thing was he likes to go out and found all these precious stones and he had a cave and he'd go take them to that came storming or liquid jugs to fill them up many chat.00:39:31.620 –> 00:39:41.880 Joseph McElroy: Those two things so one day is how man is this young girls she's in the cooler swim and she sees the Buddha in their eyes walk and they fall in love.00:39:42.690 –> 00:39:49.470 Joseph McElroy: They get married and they go back to the mountains, but he still had to go out look for all these precious stones so she would get it out.00:39:51.870 –> 00:40:01.650 Joseph McElroy: Get lonely and share the harder for him and he had a holler back to the power till they came together and her name is Andy okay therefore came the word good man.00:40:04.440 –> 00:40:07.860 Joseph McElroy: that's Barclays really knows he's a hooter.00:40:10.050 –> 00:40:19.470 Joseph McElroy: So that's all in the song the legend wow that's that's a little tears a boogeyman yeah drinking booze and talking about losing this guy this.00:40:20.850 –> 00:40:23.160 Joseph McElroy: is given given oh i'm going to yeah.00:40:24.240 –> 00:40:29.370 Joseph McElroy: What is some of the other favorite songs is the one I think I think about the question.00:40:30.030 –> 00:40:45.780 Joseph McElroy: I think about some of the historic stuff is vascular marlins for Dino that name and he was he was the the minstrel the appalachians he was born on the campus plus now Marshall university and he started our mountain dance folk festival in 1928 and actual.00:40:47.010 –> 00:40:55.800 Joseph McElroy: Madison county ashbury it's the longest running folk festival in America well in America have you been on the board of that too right well i'm on the advisory.00:40:56.310 –> 00:41:06.510 Joseph McElroy: Playing there, and you see there yeah i'm involved with it for years and years but pete seeger came down to learn about the banjo from Boston the marlins for.00:41:07.020 –> 00:41:20.220 Joseph McElroy: pete seeger many of fans who know the music fans know he had that long neck banjo story was he got that from Boston oh so i've got a tribute to baskin here on on my album that I want other songs.00:41:21.480 –> 00:41:27.300 Joseph McElroy: i've got one on this placement about is called god's special children and it's about special needs kids oh.00:41:28.530 –> 00:41:34.950 Joseph McElroy: I was doing some volunteer work already worth and Center over ashfall which should help special needs kids and.00:41:35.250 –> 00:41:40.950 Joseph McElroy: A lady i've worked with came in and she said, well, you did so i'm going to volunteer what are you doing here she's talking pick up my son.00:41:41.460 –> 00:41:52.020 Joseph McElroy: And this was years actually both retired and our flashback and remember she has a son named our special needs kid adding them in the next mourners Christmas Eve.00:41:52.530 –> 00:42:02.040 Joseph McElroy: And I woke up and I wrote the song called god's special children, and I remember as a kid my mom used to say, and she lived to be rather than one she used to say.00:42:02.850 –> 00:42:10.350 Joseph McElroy: If you'd see you know, a special needs child she's it will sound Those are just god's special tool well that just made everything everything.00:42:11.340 –> 00:42:20.010 Joseph McElroy: That so we did God special to integrate at our producer was able to pull in a later that same with me on that harmonizing you read it came out pretty well.00:42:20.820 –> 00:42:37.440 Joseph McElroy: Actually we've got goodness the number of the things I don't call the leaning sound about what about columns guitars i've got one about monocle house burnett he was he was a great storyteller and fox theater okay now tell me Bob and his plot.00:42:38.730 –> 00:42:52.680 Joseph McElroy: State dogs, we all know that fox fox fox fox hunting, the thing, but my grandfather was a lousy he loved the Walker have the upper hand the latter house and I guarantee that we've known each other yeah.00:42:53.730 –> 00:43:04.590 Joseph McElroy: Big talks louder so I had written a song about him back in the 70s and I pulled out my files and revising David told plays washboard on it, and this David Johnson did some music.00:43:05.100 –> 00:43:12.870 Joseph McElroy: I said, you know we need some dog barks on this supposed to do is lackey do that and they weren't you and he put dog barks we're.00:43:14.100 –> 00:43:19.890 Joseph McElroy: Going on the mountain gotta go gotta go home because he's house burns, and he grew.00:43:22.050 –> 00:43:23.430 Joseph McElroy: up so we let the dogs.00:43:26.040 –> 00:43:36.690 Joseph McElroy: favorite their local flow but we're gonna have to take another break here and come back we'll finish up with some of the other things to do and how you can help people get the CDS right all right.00:45:37.980 –> 00:45:45.240 Joseph McElroy: Howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast and my guest Richard Hurley, So, Richard.00:45:45.810 –> 00:45:52.560 Joseph McElroy: You were born and raised in Canton but now you live in Asheville your most of your life so yeah why just stick in Asheville for?00:45:52.950 –> 00:46:03.210 Joseph McElroy: Well, I just love the mountains, like your intro when you're talking about your hotel and the great smoky mountains and the fishing stream all those things you talked about it's made me realize how fortunate I am to00:46:04.260 –> 00:46:05.460 Joseph McElroy: stay here in Asheville.00:46:06.540 –> 00:46:13.500 Joseph McElroy: Western North Carolina you know a lot of volunteer activities I'm involved with taking all across Western North Carolina but.00:46:13.890 –> 00:46:24.060 Joseph McElroy: I thought there was a time to do my career, I was gonna have to leave and move to another location or leasing company and do something else, and I was blessed lucky that I didn't have them leave.00:46:24.450 –> 00:46:31.920 Joseph McElroy: How do you like, how Asheville grown, oh I see it really changed and scrolled a lot, and this is an interesting place that's.00:46:32.460 –> 00:46:37.770 Joseph McElroy: what's that sort of a music city right? yeah, there's a lot of you know, the best years on every corner seemed like that.00:46:38.520 –> 00:46:47.850 Joseph McElroy: You know, we have a couple of events of advanced downtown like the shindig on the green which I also wrote a song about on the first album we have shindig on the green in front of the courthouse there on Saturday nights.00:46:47.970 –> 00:46:59.880 Joseph McElroy: These seven Saturday nights during the summer in fact we'll start this coming Saturday seven to 10 freebies right people bring a lawn chair or blanket and spread out there and they sit three hours, and we have all these musicians to come in.00:47:00.330 –> 00:47:09.750 Joseph McElroy: I'm going from deep in the hollers and some bones wherever square dance teams and all that and a lot of the greats like mark for it and Brian session, you know the hottest guitar player.00:47:10.200 –> 00:47:19.770 Joseph McElroy: In Ashville, I things the number one call guy over there and studios he cut his teeth or they've known split tons of big names play at home, Shindig on the green stage.00:47:20.700 –> 00:47:27.720 Joseph McElroy: But I know you've been involved with a lot of those different revenue festivals you're involved with bells here right.00:47:28.740 –> 00:47:40.830 Joseph McElroy: I wrote a song about that I know I saw that I was wondering what happened, the bell share it just finally ran its course really started in 1979, yeah and I don't remember what year it.00:47:41.700 –> 00:47:50.550 Joseph McElroy: folded video is a great festival, I mean how many times, do you walk down the street of Main Street drinking beer and eating a hot dog or whatever, and all this great entertainment oh my gosh.00:47:51.150 –> 00:47:58.080 Joseph McElroy: Is it that Doc and nice to have Skaggs and a lot of the big nice fact I mentioned a number of them in my song really yeah.00:47:59.010 –> 00:48:12.000 Joseph McElroy: So give people the flavor of what that was it was a special sort of vessel that folks got to get it back and 79 to have a street party with a sound about a phone on the phone or something different than normal kind of fair that got together got shows together and started a bill share.00:48:13.710 –> 00:48:21.240 Joseph McElroy: me just a beautiful life yeah the kids you grant end wife, which feed on the street, when the sun goes down music in the air and actually.00:48:21.960 –> 00:48:31.080 Joseph McElroy: There you go, of course, well you've been involved with a number of what other what other your favorite festivals well, those are pretty much it on ice.00:48:31.770 –> 00:48:37.380 Joseph McElroy: least try to go see Doc every time you come around I never played I played on the same show waiting one day out the.00:48:37.770 –> 00:48:45.180 Joseph McElroy: monster festival that marciel that's another big festival the basketball marlins, for it was the only festival, is he would let us his name.00:48:46.140 –> 00:48:59.220 Joseph McElroy: And it started, I think, somewhere, back in the 60s and 70s, but it was a Mars hill moving on bringing a lot of evil talent back in Madison county and other Mecca for musicians so that's a great fast.00:49:00.480 –> 00:49:14.160 Joseph McElroy: But I never I never got to play on the stage leap, but I did REP with chat room some backstage few few times on some of these programs but but tell us about the mountain DAS it falls fast again it's the granddaddy of all focused.00:49:15.300 –> 00:49:24.600 Joseph McElroy: that's the one yeah other venues what Ben is like the cholesterol killer well you know I like to go to some of the things that happened at the.00:49:25.080 –> 00:49:31.920 Joseph McElroy: Civic Center and some of the problems that happen there, and like you know, let us go back to see balsam range I've introduced those guys sometimes.00:49:32.370 –> 00:49:47.850 Joseph McElroy: Of course, my friend at work for those guys to the studio and he worked with the Steve can you arrange boy is not allowed, but anything in these venues that like your met your Maggie valley festival grounds here on some programs there and I played there actually one time.00:49:52.860 –> 00:49:53.700 Joseph McElroy: promote myself.00:49:57.120 –> 00:50:12.840 Joseph McElroy: I did a fair amount of volunteer work I go to Assisted Living Binion's places like that and people call me I go to a program they can come to a pool party that's not my opinion, without being a concert you got pretty much listen to the lyrics yeah right just.00:50:14.010 –> 00:50:24.120 Joseph McElroy: Because what so somebody coming to Western North Carolina asheville every county what you put in some things they shouldn't miss shindig on the green, they should not miss that.00:50:24.660 –> 00:50:34.470 Joseph McElroy: that's every every Saturday night not ever said that we break for the mountain dance folk festival start the 25th this it's always the first weekend around the fourth of July.00:50:35.070 –> 00:50:49.830 Joseph McElroy: 25 of June, this time, and then we have starting second on through the break for the things of the sixth of August basketball we said, our focus was always the first weekend long about sundown.00:50:51.180 –> 00:50:55.710 Joseph McElroy: What i'm saying is OK, for you folks were watch mean seven o'clock yeah.00:50:57.030 –> 00:51:13.050 Joseph McElroy: So that's a must see there yeah of course they'll share was pulling that was that was but there, there are a lot of fans out there that probably need to get around go visit some of them haven't visited all me I like the orange peel myself yeah.00:51:14.250 –> 00:51:23.040 Joseph McElroy: I did my bell share something there when when a buddy mine was chairing the camp chair and bill share asked me to come play it so we did that kind of kick it off.00:51:23.850 –> 00:51:35.100 Joseph McElroy: I just saw like 11 I think in New York City winery but he was also at the art of appeal to the Glasgow plays he plays a callings guitar that's brand new guitar and I played.00:51:35.700 –> 00:51:45.990 Joseph McElroy: college to the dishes mark i've got a song called the column guitar song oh really are you are you do, do you have a, you said you have a collection guitar.00:51:48.210 –> 00:51:50.790 Joseph McElroy: Like like nobody's saying you can't have too many guitar.00:51:52.950 –> 00:52:02.160 Joseph McElroy: When I wrote this song about the colonies that's your favorite yeah it's like the head of me my servers back 34 years I said, good bass print my name and she had severe.00:52:02.520 –> 00:52:09.930 Joseph McElroy: will spend it on the new and follow this new and following a hot rod car, no, no thing so good rather have a college, maybe.00:52:11.730 –> 00:52:12.420 Joseph McElroy: Not kick off.00:52:14.760 –> 00:52:20.010 Joseph McElroy: spent many years, making money and then decided to buy a hotel yeah That was a better.00:52:21.750 –> 00:52:36.150 Joseph McElroy: guitar yeah well, it was all the time I bought it because yeah yeah being home homestead and big ideas have been doing things with it now it's become something else, but I did get to touch Tony Tony robbins guitar when they.00:52:37.440 –> 00:52:38.010 Joseph McElroy: got to reach over.00:52:39.960 –> 00:52:51.630 Joseph McElroy: Well, how did How do people buy your albums well not my website and I was hoping might go take a look the websites Richard hurley he already why returning music.com.00:52:52.050 –> 00:53:00.660 Joseph McElroy: And the various tabs if they work through the tabs their maintenance places to pursue them and also my two videos are on that video about Kevin lynch.00:53:01.410 –> 00:53:10.380 Joseph McElroy: saw with all the beautiful pictures pictures make hundreds and i'm pretty sure not together a video there's a video about shindig on the green locally.00:53:11.370 –> 00:53:18.360 Joseph McElroy: leverage books here in waynesville strange for music Scott my album and can you get the picture of a mercantile maddie.00:53:19.170 –> 00:53:34.860 Joseph McElroy: actually got the Chamber of Commerce over there, but the average American music.com can lead you in the first place, and you have your Facebook or anything like Facebook, to look you up there yeah alright cool well yeah Thank you very much for.00:53:36.570 –> 00:53:49.920 Joseph McElroy: appreciate it, and you know it's just it's fun to come up with a song strikes you something happens that makes you want around a song it just feels really good you get it recorded.00:53:51.090 –> 00:53:58.440 Joseph McElroy: she's got a great show here I want you to be here what's nice about the smokies and the culture and everything, are you better than that.00:53:59.640 –> 00:54:00.000 Joseph McElroy: and00:54:01.350 –> 00:54:06.390 Joseph McElroy: my daughter just walk well hey there, this is the gateway to the spotify asked why do.00:54:06.870 –> 00:54:14.700 Joseph McElroy: You want to be on the show the show here my daughter's on this show is the gateway to the post focus podcast you can find out more about us at.00:54:15.270 –> 00:54:27.150 Joseph McElroy: Facebook COM says gateway to the smokies podcast and we're on the talk radio dot nyc network, which is a live podcast network with blocks of.00:54:27.690 –> 00:54:35.400 Joseph McElroy: Everyday alive podcasts that, ranging from small business to travel to self help to any number of things, but it's a really good network.00:54:35.790 –> 00:54:49.800 Joseph McElroy: If you like listening to podcast I would recommend you take a listen to some of the other shows all of us that work, I actually have another podcast on this network called wise content creators well, but we talked about you know, using modern content marketing practices.00:54:52.950 –> 00:55:01.140 Joseph McElroy: To help your business so that's on Fridays from noon until one, so I appreciate it that's an interesting you're just looking at us look us up, but this podcast.00:55:01.500 –> 00:55:16.470 Joseph McElroy: Is every Tuesday from six until seven we talked about the smoky mountains and hey we're county actual and Tennessee even and things to do, and things and doing the culture and the people that are here so take a take a look look up come back again.

In this episode, you'll discover the Great Smoky Mountain region is home to some of the most remarkable riding destinations in the world. A land of enchanting beauty and endless possibilities for adventure on two wheels. A space to explore your greatest passions surrounded by the natural beauty of majestic mountain ranges, endlessly winding roads, and rustic cabins.We are joined by our special guest, Chris Parker, who is the Founder and Chief Designer of Road Wolf Design, a company based in Greer S.C. that he founded in 2007. His clients include Texas Pete Hot Sauces, Touring Sport BMW, Spartanburg Regional Health Care System, and Beowulf Technologies-- among many others.Prior to starting his own company, Chris spent over a decade working as a designer and artist in some of the top art departments in his industry. Chris is an avid BMW motorcycle enthusiast who has spent a large part of his adult life riding his bike in the Great Smoky Mountain region of WNC and East Tennessee, as well as in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Southwest Virginia and across the United States. We will discuss the upcoming Rally in Valley scheduled for May, as well as his expertise in creating memorable riding adventures in the Great Smokies.Website: http://roadwolfdesign.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-parker-8442179/Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

In this episode, you will learn about some hiking trails and trips in Haywood County. Nancy will share with us some of her favorite regional hiking trails, from easy to strenuous. You'll also hear about her memorable tourism experiences, and she'll give us suggestions for the best places to visit in the Great Smoky Mountains. Don't miss this show!Join us this Tuesday with our special guest, Nancy East, a renowned Author, Program Director, Outdoor Survivalist and Search and Rescue Expert, as well as a Record-setting Distance Hiker. A former Veterinarian, Nancy has hiked and led seminars and programs all over the United States, but her favorite trails are near her Haywood County home in the Great Smoky Mountains. https://www.hopeandfeathertravels.com/Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.Segment 1On today's episode Joseph and his guest, renowned Author and Outdoor Survivalist, Nancy East, talk about things for families to do. The first place Joseph begins talking about is down in North Carolina called the Cataloochee Ski Resort which is one of Joseph's family favorite places to visit. Joseph talks about a few other places that he and his family enjoy visiting including a few foodie towns and some restaurants that serve what he calls “mountain heritage food.” Nancy begins to talk about how she ended up in Haywood County where she has been for twenty years now. Segment 2At the beginning of the second segment Nancy talks about what drew her to Haywood County, and she talks about how she loves the natural beauty and the strong community. Nancy begins talking about one of her rescue stories in a crazy snow storm, and how she and her team serve by saving others in some dangerous endeavors. Nancy begins talking about how she raised her kids to learn safety protocols whether that be skiing, dressing correctly, or using the proper equipment so that they won't ever be in harm; in the same way she tells others to be cautious when they are planning a trip so that they will always have the right equipment as well. Segment 3Joseph and Nancy begin talking about how to keep little kids engaged when you are on an adventure, and Nancy has some great ideas from her years of experience, such as a scavenger hunt, or using electronics to learn compass and mathematics. There are also some great places for you to take your children to hike such as Flat Creek and Big Creek; they are one way hike's which makes it super easy for the whole family. Nancy says that kids love water so any trail with a creek or a waterfall will keep the kids occupied. Nancy talks about a term she used in her book called the Nature Deficit Disorder where Nancy explains that parents these days are so afraid of the woods. Nancy is aware that electronics are used more than outdoor time is allotted, but she isn't fond of this, and definitely is a firm believer in the outdoors. At the end of this segment, Joseph and Nancy begin talking about her book, Chasing the Smokies Moon. Segment 4At the beginning of the last segment, Nancy and Joseph talk about their memorable moments in the Smokies. One of Nancy's first experiences was backpacking around the Smokies which she chose to do instead of getting a hotel, and this showed her how much she loves the outdoors, nature, and being in the mountains. These experiences that Joseph and Nancy are talking about, Joseph refers to them as “flashable memory experiences.” There are so many treasures to see in the mountains, and Joseph and Nancy both agree that there are breathtaking things to do and to see in all of these mountain resorts they talk about today.

In this episode, the audience will get more information about pottery and crafts that Cory and Joseph will talk about during the podcast live but they will focus on discussing the Great Smoky Mountains and the outdoor activities that Cory will share with us. Join us to our newest podcast episode this Tuesday with our  special guest Cory Plott, he is a direct descendant of the famed Haywood County Plott clan who are credited with originating what later became the official state dog of North Carolina –the Plott hound. While Cory appreciates and respects the history of his family and their dogs, he has made his own mark as a renowned artist here in the Great Smokies. His work has been sold all over the world –including a specially designed mug that he crafted for PlottFest that can be purchased at the MSMHC.  Don't miss this fun interview with Cory Plott as he shares with us some interesting stories about potteries and crafts and his experiences in the Great Smoky Mountain. https://www.facebook.com/cory.plott.3Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.Segment 1Joseph opens up the show mentioning a sponsor as well as a virtual event celebrating Scot-Irish heritage January 25th. Today's topic is about pottery, originating from the neolithic period. Joseph goes into detail about why people love pottery such as the aesthetic, form of expression, symbolism, and art as well as how it is made. Pottery is also used for storytelling and functional purposes. His guest for tonight's show is Cory Plott, a descendant of the framed Haywood County Plott clan who are credited with originating what became the official state dog of North Carolina. He has sold his own pottery all over the world. He has been working with pottery for 10 years. He focuses on the East Coast as well when selling pottery. Living in the Smokies has been great for him and he loves being in Haywood county.Segment 2Cory talks about working in stoneware and why he likes it. Stoneware is very durable and can be used in several settings. He also has done sculpture. He got into pottery being inspired by the fact that he can be creative while making a living out of it. Cory was also inspired by artists such as one of his professors from his time in college. He was also motivated by his father who fully supported him. Cory has several items that he makes from mixing bowls to mugs and puts his own twists on it. He talks about agateware, a medieval technique which allows for patterns and different effects. He explains how this technique is used. He also mentions using a lot of woodashe in his pottery and explains how the texture of the wood affects the outcomes of the colors.Segment 3Cory discusses the process it takes to make mugs and more of his pottery. He takes clay and loosen it up a little. Cory makes sure that he wedges it a certain way. Once he gets it to the shape that he needs, he continues to shoot for consistency. He likes to make several of the same pottery and in different sizes. Each week he does one batch of each item that he works on. He lines up his year quarterly which allows him to work on his 12 items. Cory goes into how the Cherokee make pottery and some history about them. The biggest piece that Cory has made is a base with a really tall neck, a 4 foot tall pottery. Cory loves being able to inspire and teach others to use their creativity which is why he also enjoys being at events like the North Carolina State Fair. He also just got into lamps as well.Segment 4Cory recalls doing pottery in elementary and middle school. Back then, he says they used earthenware. Cory's favorite thing to create are roosters. Joseph jokes that he should make him a 4 foot rooster. Cory also talks about maybe teaching pottery himself one day. For exploration, he recommends visiting Dillsboro where they have a unique shop with pottery. You can find more of Cory's work on Facebook as well as Youtube. Joseph also promotes an event from The Meadowlark who are having a weekday getaway special. You can learn more at themeadowlarkmotel.com.

Author Steve Stockton. Topics include Cades Cove, locations that cannot be photographed, camera anomalies, magnetic irregularities in the Smokey Mountains, Sasquatch, feral human cannibals, Eric Rudolph, Dennis Martin disappearance, ginseng hunting, Appalachian cave systems, Key family encounter, Dwight McCarter, bizarre suicide of an FBI agent, missing people and the sudden onset of unusual weather, strange discrepancies in recovered bodies, boulder fields, Native American lore of rock creatures, the Bennington VT Triangle, David Paulides, maps of missing people, amnesia, "dogs" and "bears" who help missing children, Casey Hathaway, weird similarities amongst those who go missing, disappeared person from a bus, serial killers, Appalachian Trail, killings by animals, tree roots and corpses, portals, Timothy Renner and being Fey-led, a mysterious tree, strange lights in the woods, the Fairy Folk, paradoxical undressing, body temperature, Edd McKinley, unusual suicides, voluntarily missing people, Derek Joseph Lueking, Thelma Pauline Melton, old-time drivers license issues, Trenny Lynn Gibson, Laura Riste host of www.canadiangurl77.com, conspiracy in the assassination of President Lincoln, impersonators of famous criminals, bear attacks vs. plane crashes in the Great Smokies, bizarre weather phenomena, ghost stories.

Seriah welcomes researcher and author Steve Stockton. Topics include Cades Cove, locations that cannot be photographed, camera anomalies, magnetic irregularities in the Smokey Mountains, Sasquatch, feral human cannibals, Eric Rudolph, Dennis Martin disappearance, ginseng hunting, Appalachian cave systems, Key family encounter, Dwight McCarter, bizarre suicide of an FBI agent, missing people and the sudden onset of unusual weather, strange discrepancies in recovered bodies, boulder fields, Native American lore of rock creatures, the Bennington VT Triangle, David Paulides, maps of missing people, amnesia, "dogs" and "bears" who help missing children, Casey Hathaway, weird similarities amongst those who go missing, disappeared person from a bus, serial killers, Appalachian Trail, killings by animals, tree roots and corpses, portals, Timothy Renner and being Fey-led, a mysterious tree, strange lights in the woods, the Fairy Folk, paradoxical undressing, body temperature, Edd McKinley, unusual suicides, voluntarily missing people, Derek Joseph Lueking, Thelma Pauline Melton, old-time drivers license issues, Trenny Lynn Gibson, Laura Riste host of www.canadiangurl77.com, conspiracy in the assassination of President Lincoln, impersonators of famous criminals, bear attacks vs. plane crashes in the Great Smokies, bizarre weather phenomena, ghost stories, and much more! This is non-stop riveting conversation!- Recap by Vincent TreewellOutro Music by Sax Myle.

Seriah welcomes researcher and author Steve Stockton. Topics include Cades Cove, locations that cannot be photographed, camera anomalies, magnetic irregularities in the Smokey Mountains, Sasquatch, feral human cannibals, Eric Rudolph, Dennis Martin disappearance, ginseng hunting, Appalachian cave systems, Key family encounter, Dwight McCarter, bizarre suicide of an FBI agent, missing people and the sudden onset of unusual weather, strange discrepancies in recovered bodies, boulder fields, Native American lore of rock creatures, the Bennington VT Triangle, David Paulides, maps of missing people, amnesia, "dogs" and "bears" who help missing children, Casey Hathaway, weird similarities amongst those who go missing, disappeared person from a bus, serial killers, Appalachian Trail, killings by animals, tree roots and corpses, portals, Timothy Renner and being Fey-led, a mysterious tree, strange lights in the woods, the Fairy Folk, paradoxical undressing, body temperature, Edd McKinley, unusual suicides, voluntarily missing people, Derek Joseph Lueking, Thelma Pauline Melton, old-time drivers license issues, Trenny Lynn Gibson, Laura Riste host of www.canadiangurl77.com, conspiracy in the assassination of President Lincoln, impersonators of famous criminals, bear attacks vs. plane crashes in the Great Smokies, bizarre weather phenomena, ghost stories, and much more! This is non-stop riveting conversation! - Recap by Vincent Treewell Outro Music by Sax Myle. Download

"Aku berkata kepadamu: Sesungguhnya barangsiapa berkata kepada gunung ini: Beranjaklah dan tercampaklah ke dalam laut! Asal tidak bimbang hatinya, tetapi percaya, bahwa apa yang dikatakannya itu akan terjadi, maka hal itu akan terjadi baginya." (Markus 11:23) Renungan: Sebuah jemaat kecil di kaki bukit Great Smokies membangun sebuah tempat ibadah baru di sebidang tanah yang diberikan oleh seorang jemaat gereja kepada mereka. Sepuluh hari sebelum gereja tersebut dibuka, seorang inspektur bangunan lokal memberitahu sang Pastor bahwa tempat parkir mereka tidak memadai untuk ukuran bangunan gereja yang mereka dirikan. Mereka diberikan kesempatan untuk membuat lahan parkir berukuran dua kali lipat dari yang ada, baru kemudian mereka dapat menggunakan gereja tersebut. Sangat disesalkan karena pihak gereja telah menggunakan setiap inci dari tanah mereka untuk pembangunan gereja tersebut, kecuali sebuah bukit di belakang gereja. Dan untuk membangun tempat parkir yang lebih besar, mereka harus memindahkan bukit itu dari halaman belakang. Tidak gentar dengan kenyataan yang dihadapi, maka pada hari Minggunya sang Pastor mengumumkan kepada jemaat bahwa ia akan bertemu dengan semua anggota gereja yang memiliki iman 'memindahkan gunung' sore hari itu. Mereka akan berdoa dan meminta Tuhan untuk memindahkan gunung tersebut dari halaman belakang gereja serta menyediakan dana yang cukup untuk meratakan jalan dan mengecatnya sebelum ibadah pembukaan penyerahan gereja yang rencananya akan dilakukan pada hari Minggu berikutnya. Pada waktu yang telah ditentukan, 24 dari 300 anggota jemaat berkumpul untuk berdoa. Mereka berdoa selama hampir 3 jam. Pada pukul 10 malam, sang Pastor mengucapkan "Amin" yang terakhir. "Kita akan membuka gereja baru ini minggu depan, seperti yang sudah direncanakan. Tuhan tidak pernah mengecewakan kita sebelumnya, dan saya percaya bahwa Ia juga akan bertindak setia kepada kita kali ini," kata sang Pastor meyakinkan jemaatnya. Keesokkan paginya ketika sang Pastor sedang bekerja di ruang kerjanya, ia mendengar pintu diketuk dari luar. Ketika ia membuka pintu, ternyata di hadapannya ada seorang mandor pekerja konstruksi muncul. Sambil melepas topinya ia berkata, "Maafkan saya, Pastor. Saya adalah mandor dari perusahaan konstruksi Acme yang berada di luar daerah. Kami sedang membangun sebuah pusat perbelanjaan baru di daerah tersebut dan kami membutuhkan tanah yang cukup banyak. Apakah anda bersedia untuk menjual bongkahan bukit yang ada di belakang gereja? Kami akan membayar anda untuk setiap tanah yang kami pindahkan. Juga kami akan meratakan jalan di daerah itu dengan cuma-cuma. Jika anda memperbolehkan, maka kami akan melakukannya secepat mungkin." Sang Pastor pun menyetujuinya dan pekerjaan itu pun langsung dilaksanakan pada hari itu juga. Hari Minggu berikutnya ibadah pembukaan dan penyerahan gereja pun dilaksanakan seperti yang telah direncanakan sebelumnya. Dan pada ibadah tersebut ada banyak anggota dengan "iman yang memindahkan gunung" yang muncul pada minggu pembukaan tersebut dibandingkan minggu-minggu sebelumnya. Jika kita menghadapi permasalahan yang sulit, kita perlu semakin menguatkan iman kita di dalam Tuhan. Bisakah kita percaya bahwa bagi Tuhan tidak ada yang mustahil? Seseorang pernah berkata, "Bagian Tuhan adalah menumbuhkan kuasa, dan bagian kita adalah menumbuhkan iman." Berimanlah kepada Tuhan, dan Tuhan sanggup melakukan banyak hal dalam kehidupan kita. Tuhan Yesus memberkati. Doa: Tuhan Yesus, tambahkanlah imanku, agar aku semakin percaya bahwa di dalam nama-Mu tidak ada perkara yang mustahil. Amin. (Dod).

Fans of puns and cleaning up trash have an opportunity to help out in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park this weekend. Saturday is the 4 th year of the Deep Creep Smokies Service Day. Sheridan Roberts is the volunteer coordinator for the park. "We thought it would just be really fun to do a costumed clean-up at Deep Creep, Deep Creek - and call it the Deep Creep," said Roberts. Volunteers meet up in costume at Deep Creek in Swain County to clean up the area and do activities. "Probably some treats, maybe a trick or two. It's the Deep Creep," said Roberts. During the pandemic, the Great Smokies were the most visited national park in the country with over 12 million visitors. Meanwhile there were far fewer volunteers - Roberts says the numbers dipped a bit from the previous year. "We developed a parkwide litter

Today's guest of Gateway to the Smokies Podcast is Wayne Ebinger, an Award-Winning Photographer well known for his photos of local musicians, concerts, artists and festivals, as well the natural beauty of the Great Smokies.He was a former professional musician and a veterinarian tech. Currently, he owns and operates a successful photography business in Maggie Valley, N.C.Our host Joseph McElroy wand Wayne and will talk about career, passion and photographing the Smokies.‍Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.Show NotesSegment 1Today's episode starts off with host Joseph Franklyn McElroy announcing special events and announcements in the Maggie Valley area, including wonderful festivals, eateries, and great gatherings for people to go to. Then special guest, photographer and former musician Wayne Ebinger gets introduced. Right away, he gives a short explanation of how he came to the career path he is in today, from high school back in the 1960s to now, he talks about how he engulfed himself into the love he had for the veterinarian career to his career as a professional rock drummer.Segment 2Coming back from the break, Wayne talks about how he transitioned into his photography career. He started off with a cheaper kodak camera and started taking photos wherever he could. He first was asked to be a photographer at a wedding, and eventually was asked to photograph weddings, musicals, music festivals and concerts. He continued his photography business for nearly thirty years before moving to the Smoky Mountains and shifting his business into more intimate and local weddings and events. Wayne explains a personal rule he has when he's taking photographs, which is to be stealthy. Whether he is at a wedding or out in the wild, he tries to stay as stealthy as possible to avoid disturbing the photograph subjects. He also adds that it's pretty important to dress accordingly, for him that means a black tshirt. He talks about the cameras he has used throughout the years, especially during the shift to digital photography and which lenses he prefers to use for certain situations. He also says that he tries not to edit the photos too much. Wayne talks about his favorite band to photograph and other memorable photographs that he has taken.Segment 3This segment starts off with the story of how Wayne ended up at Maggie Valley and why he chose to do so. Joseph asks Wayne for photography location recommendations. Immediately Wayne mentions a field where you can see a beautiful landscape and sunset. He also mentioned Waterrock Knob for wonderful evening photos where you can photograph the stars and see beautiful scenery. He talks about how in the winter time, the snow is so beautiful that it will always make great photos. He explains how because of the snow, it can be difficult to travel around so often he looks around where he is and finds a quiet place in nature to photograph. He gives tips for how to photograph elks. The biggest one being, to respect them.Segment 4For the last segment of this episode, Joseph starts off by asking Wayne for some of his favorite local spots in Maggie Valley. He gives a huge variety of places to go for nightlife, eating out, or just hanging out and dancing. They share stories about their experience at these different hotspots in Maggie Valley till the end of the show.

Casita Dean May is back on The RV Atlas podcast with a fresh review of the Townsend/Great Smokies KOA Holiday. Dean and his wife Laura consider this to be one of the topRead More The post Casita Dean May Reviews the Townsend/Great Smokies KOA appeared first on The RV Atlas.

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Our guest in this episode is Neil Hutcheson, an Award-winning Filmmaker, Photographer, and Author.He resides in Raleigh, N.C. where he works as a producer and director of the Language and Life Project for N.C. State University, but spends a great deal of time in the Great Smokies, the location of several of his most popular projects.His most well-known works include books and films about Maggie Valley moonshine legend Popcorn Sutton, as well as books and videos on Cherokee culture and language, along with documentaries and books pertaining to Appalachian and African American vernacular, climate change, and heritage fisheries of the Outer Banks on the N.C. coast.Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.NYC or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTES:SEGMENT 1Tonight's show starts off with an introduction of what to expect from this episode. After announcements from the show's sponsors, our host Joseph McElroy introduces tonight's special guest: Neil Hutcheson. The two go through and lightly discuss Neil's well-known projects, his background, and Neil explains how he unexpectedly came to be in this industry and where his interest in language and filmmaking came from. The two swap origin stories shortly before the break.SEGMENT 2Coming back from the break, the discussion shifts into more of Neil's works, such as his documentaries. One project that they go more into depth about was a play about Louis Redman. Neil explains who Louis Redman was and what he did and how his case and the history surrounding it reflected the media at the time. He emphasizes that the media can get distorted and how no one really knows the true Louis Redman. The conversation moves on to the topic of “mountain culture.” Neil wrote about this culture in his book and explains how it has changed in recent years since he last wrote about it in the early 2000s. The two discuss what mountain culture is and dismantle the negative stereotypes and perspectives that surround it.SEGMENT 3Coming back from the break, Neil discusses how he got the local community to trust and accept him into their community. Additionally, Neil talks about how he got to get on a deeper level with Popcorn Sutton, especially since he often gave off the impression of always putting on a show. Neil explained how Popcorn Sutton could give off that impression, but he was a genuine performer and to an extent, was being himself. This leads to the conversation about how Neil was able to successfully capture who Popcorn Sutton is as a person in his movies and especially in his book. He goes on to talk about his more recent projects, many of which come from his own companies.SEGMENT 4The final segment starts off with an introduction of one of Neil's latest works, involving documenting another aspect of mountain culture: mountain music. The documentary can be found on YouTube and is called the Queen Family. Joseph and Neil talk about their favorite parts of the mountains and mountain culture in general. Neil explains why he loves nature in the mountains so much. They go further into their discussion by talking about more specific local spots at Maggie Valley and Neil tells what his itinerary would be like when visiting. The episode closes with special shoutouts where the audience can find more about Neil and his upcoming works.--------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:27.840 –> 00:00:32.310 Joseph McElroy: Thanks for joining us on this week's episode of gateway to the smokies.00:00:33.270 –> 00:00:41.970 Joseph McElroy: This podcast is about America's most visited National Park, the great smoky mountains national park, and the surrounding towns.00:00:42.330 –> 00:00:51.390 Joseph McElroy: these areas are filled with ancient natural beauty a deep storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes.00:00:51.840 –> 00:01:04.770 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklyn McElroy a man of the world, but also with deep roots in these mountains my family's lived in the great smoky for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:05.340 –> 00:01:12.900 Joseph McElroy: today's podcast is about outlaws and outliers in the smokies, but first a little sponsorship information.00:01:13.530 –> 00:01:21.240 Joseph McElroy: I want you to imagine a place evocative motor courts of the past a modern and vibrant environment with a Chic Appalachian field.00:01:21.810 –> 00:01:28.740 Joseph McElroy: a place for adventure and for relaxation imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain here and it's a trout stream.00:01:29.010 –> 00:01:47.820 Joseph McElroy: grill the catch on fire and eat accompanied by fine lines or craft beers imagine it plays with old-time music and world cultural sounds, there is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley North Carolina your smoky mountain adventure starts with where you stay.00:01:48.840 –> 00:02:02.700 Joseph McElroy: smokies adventure.com that smokies plural adventure singular. COM has a site that features listings and information about the smoking's hiking wedding venues books trail Max resources.00:02:03.210 –> 00:02:21.150 Joseph McElroy: The emphasis on smoky adventures is outdoor recreation outdoor life events like weddings and adventures, along with providing information and lodging family and family entertainment events conventions and honeymoons and more it's the leading information portal of the smoky mountain.00:02:23.310 –> 00:02:28.740 Joseph McElroy: I want to mention some events coming up this is summertime in the smokies there are lots of events.00:02:29.790 –> 00:02:40.650 Joseph McElroy: So you can sort of search for them and find them just about anywhere I pick some that I think are great and also you know, relative to the businesses, the business I run in the mountains.00:02:42.360 –> 00:02:57.480 Joseph McElroy: And the first one is the Darren Nicholson bluegrass band camp and concert somebody that know anything about bluegrass know Darren Nicholson and he's a member of balsam range he has his own band he's a grammy award-nominated artists and.00:02:58.710 –> 00:03:08.310 Joseph McElroy: It has won many of the bluegrass towards this event is for aspiring musicians to learn and interact with some of the best artists in the business.00:03:08.700 –> 00:03:27.090 Joseph McElroy: And the venue culminate in an open to the public, all Stuart star concert on July 17 that's this Saturday this this this band camp will be repeated in future years so look forward if you're listening in the future to this podcast but for now July 17, 20100:03:29.130 –> 00:03:44.880 Joseph McElroy: Go to Meadwolarkmotel.com look under the mountain heritage smoky mountain heritage events and you'll find this event, and you can purchase tickets to come to it, you can also with lodging you get a free concert and you get half price on the band camp.00:03:45.990 –> 00:03:53.850 Joseph McElroy: They have him coming July 23 and 24th is hillbilly jam, the famous hillbilly Jam in Maggie Valley in North Carolina open the public.00:03:54.120 –> 00:04:09.270 Joseph McElroy: Both days music festival with crafts and food, food vendors moonshiners of the discovery channel car and bike show, and more so, go to the hillbilly jam.com or 82845-079795.00:04:10.560 –> 00:04:16.890 Joseph McElroy: This year is the 55th season of the shindig on the green presented by the folk heritage committee.00:04:18.090 –> 00:04:18.750 Joseph McElroy: Along with.00:04:19.800 –> 00:04:28.980 Joseph McElroy: headlining sponsor Allen's jewelry and pawn Finkelstein's loan office but it's a free event in the heart of downtown Ashville it goes over several days during the summer.00:04:30.090 –> 00:04:41.820 Joseph McElroy: And then the left to the left the days left in July or the 17th of 24th of the 31st as well as the August 14 and 20 21st and the heart.00:04:42.090 –> 00:04:57.420 Joseph McElroy: Of downtown Asheville parks what pack squares park Roger part pack square park called Roger McGuire Green that's pack square park Roger McQueen's that Roger McGuire Green I gotta learn to say that.00:04:59.400 –> 00:05:16.410 Joseph McElroy: it's got lots of music lots of vendors it's a great thing to go to has been going for 55 years I'm sure you'll find it, this is also the of the 94th annual mountain dance and folk festival as a ticketed event at the Pinsky hall auditorium at unc Asheville which is.00:05:18.450 –> 00:05:28.380 Joseph McElroy: 300 liberty lane Ashville it takes place every each of the nights Thursday through Saturday 6:30pm nightly.00:05:29.730 –> 00:05:30.150 Joseph McElroy: and00:05:31.170 –> 00:05:43.080 Joseph McElroy: I think the upcoming dates are August 5 Sixth and Seventh, so I advise you to go, that was a 94-year event, it has to be doing something else, and it showcases music dancers, and storytellers.00:05:43.650 –> 00:05:55.110 Joseph McElroy: And today, I have great and fabulous guests he is Neil Hutcheson is an award-winning filmmaker photographer, and author, who has one, among other things, three.00:05:55.770 –> 00:06:00.630 Joseph McElroy: One, among other things, three Emmy awards his work has been featured on.00:06:01.410 –> 00:06:12.180 Joseph McElroy: PBS the history channel discovery others he resides in Raleigh North Carolina where he works as a producer and director of the language and LIFE project for nc State University.00:06:12.540 –> 00:06:25.740 Joseph McElroy: But he also spent a great deal of time and the great smokies which have been the location of several of his most popular projects and famous subjects like popcorn suck Hello Neal,00:06:26.190 –> 00:06:27.840 Neal Hutcheson: hi thanks for having me.00:06:28.290 –> 00:06:32.520 Joseph McElroy: Oh I'm so glad, so you grew up in Chapel Hill right.00:06:32.910 –> 00:06:34.170 Neal Hutcheson: I did that's right yep.00:06:34.620 –> 00:06:42.360 Joseph McElroy: cool and then you went to Boone translate in Spain, and then the Raleigh where you studied at NC state is that all correct.00:06:42.510 –> 00:06:43.980 Neal Hutcheson: yeah you've got my whole rap sheet.00:06:45.450 –> 00:06:46.230 Joseph McElroy: sheet right.00:06:46.440 –> 00:06:48.480 Joseph McElroy: Well, I want to do so, I had to notice it.00:06:49.230 –> 00:06:50.520 Neal Hutcheson: Okay okay all right.00:06:51.360 –> 00:06:59.370 Joseph McElroy: So imagine you could have a pretty good conversation about basketball right yeah are you a fan of North Carolina sports.00:06:59.700 –> 00:07:06.960 Neal Hutcheson: Well, you know you can't really ignore them and growing up in Chapel hill like it was like you know it.00:07:07.590 –> 00:07:08.610 Neal Hutcheson: was like you know you.00:07:08.700 –> 00:07:13.920 Neal Hutcheson: got you your Carolina blue it's you know you don't even have a choice.00:07:14.670 –> 00:07:17.700 Joseph McElroy: You don't I mean and you would probably run a town if you didn't.00:07:19.680 –> 00:07:27.990 Joseph McElroy: It was a college town so but it's a great college and I went there a few times you know to see Duke Carolina but.00:07:29.460 –> 00:07:31.110 Joseph McElroy: I enjoyed it so.00:07:31.350 –> 00:07:34.380 Joseph McElroy: I grew up in a very strong culture part of the state of North.00:07:34.380 –> 00:07:35.010 Carolina.00:07:36.090 –> 00:07:53.220 Joseph McElroy: But you obviously you're a gifted art artist, with a passion for history and music and culture and colorful characters I understand to cut your teeth professionally by working with the NC State University linguist wall from and some other social scientist.00:07:54.420 –> 00:07:55.230 Neal Hutcheson: yeah that's it.00:07:57.960 –> 00:08:05.520 Neal Hutcheson: I'm hit the ground with working with Walt and doing language programs, I mean that's kind of what brought me to the mountains in the first place.00:08:05.850 –> 00:08:13.560 Joseph McElroy: yeah it was that is that when you did your for your sort of first real big step for a career when you did a film called mountain talk.00:08:14.190 –> 00:08:16.590 Neal Hutcheson: yeah that film was pivotal.00:08:17.640 –> 00:08:32.250 Neal Hutcheson: For sure um and I'd say you know that was the first full-length documentary that I had done and, and it really allowed me to spend a lot of time up there, where you are right now man and to meet people and just to kind of.00:08:33.420 –> 00:08:36.330 Neal Hutcheson: absorb the culture, the local culture.00:08:36.630 –> 00:08:41.580 Joseph McElroy: Is do you feel I mean, since you came through linguist do you think the sound of language is a.00:08:42.720 –> 00:08:43.890 Joseph McElroy: entree into your art.00:08:45.660 –> 00:08:54.960 Neal Hutcheson: I think um I always looked at language as an entree into the culture, you know so it's a different direction into looking at culture in it and it and it uh.00:08:55.560 –> 00:09:10.200 Neal Hutcheson: it's incredibly illuminating to look at the culture that way, instead of kind of you know, as opposed to whatever head-on, you know it's kind of a backdoor to looking at culture and the more you look at it it's incredibly fascinating.00:09:11.100 –> 00:09:15.780 Joseph McElroy: When you were young are you interested in language, are you addressing.00:09:16.020 –> 00:09:16.500 No.00:09:18.090 –> 00:09:19.440 Neal Hutcheson: totally unexpected yeah.00:09:20.880 –> 00:09:25.950 Neal Hutcheson: yeah I know, I find it interesting, but you know anything that you study becomes interesting.00:09:27.150 –> 00:09:30.030 Neal Hutcheson: The more you know about it um but.00:09:31.140 –> 00:09:39.720 Neal Hutcheson: No it's just that I happened to be at nc state, I was doing educational programs people said that what will for me to a video dude this was in the 90s.00:09:40.170 –> 00:09:50.520 Neal Hutcheson: And I stepped in his office and I said I you know if you have work, you know I can help you I'm freelancing and he said, are you any good, and I said, you know I think so so.00:09:51.300 –> 00:09:57.480 Neal Hutcheson: And so we started working and then that that has turned out to be a very fruitful collaboration and I'm still working with them.00:09:58.110 –> 00:09:59.190 Joseph McElroy: Is that how you been.00:10:00.750 –> 00:10:03.300 Joseph McElroy: With the job is a third of that relationship.00:10:03.480 –> 00:10:16.410 Neal Hutcheson: Yeah it wasn't a full-time gig you know, I was reluctant to let go of free time to do my own projects, so it wasn't a full-time gig for many years, but um I've still found time to do my own work as well on the side.00:10:17.160 –> 00:10:18.930 Joseph McElroy: What do you do at the language of my project.00:10:19.920 –> 00:10:21.300 Neal Hutcheson: Well, I produced documentaries.00:10:21.540 –> 00:10:24.270 Neal Hutcheson: but it's you know it's I'm.00:10:25.950 –> 00:10:31.980 Neal Hutcheson: Producing a documentary is do is wearing many, many hats, so I do a lot of things.00:10:32.790 –> 00:10:42.600 Neal Hutcheson: Right now, and preparing for a trip to Ghana, in August production trip and so very little of what I do is would be what people think of as production right now it's I'm not doing any editing or shooting.00:10:43.290 –> 00:10:49.140 Neal Hutcheson: Which is what I prefer to be doing, but you also have to do a lot of planning prep from you know logistical.00:10:51.330 –> 00:10:53.790 Neal Hutcheson: preparations and things like that too it's part of the job.00:10:55.530 –> 00:11:03.600 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know I'm interested I always like to know the origins of people's craft and you know I'm also an artist and it always.00:11:04.050 –> 00:11:08.460 Joseph McElroy: Had but I came at it, I had no clue I was going to be an artist, and so the.00:11:08.910 –> 00:11:15.780 Joseph McElroy: Even analyzing myself trying to figure out where where where the where is the evolution and all of a sudden, you become an artist, yeah a lot of people grow up.00:11:16.080 –> 00:11:23.400 Joseph McElroy: and consider themselves artists from the womb and other people just discovered along the way, where are you from the womb, or it is covered along the way.00:11:23.820 –> 00:11:28.650 Neal Hutcheson: Definitely along the way, and you know it'd be interesting, I don't know if you want to talk more about that, in particular, right now.00:11:29.070 –> 00:11:37.770 Neal Hutcheson: With limited time but you know to be interesting to know how you got started because for me it was kind of a lifeline that came to me unexpectedly in my college years.00:11:39.000 –> 00:11:49.800 Neal Hutcheson: I was kind of an intense young person with a lot going on, but I didn't have any means of self-expression, you know, and one way or another it's got to come out.00:11:50.400 –> 00:12:02.730 Neal Hutcheson: And I didn't have the discipline to develop skills that at writing at that time or at painting or some other craft to kind of get it out so I'm filmmaking kind of landed in my lap.00:12:04.410 –> 00:12:22.380 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know my story is actually fairly quick yeah I was arrogant a technology guy and somebody showed me some art and I looked at it and I didn't understand it, and I said, well, I can do that, and they said, well then do it and that started me on a journey of.00:12:22.740 –> 00:12:24.180 Joseph McElroy: Personal that I couldn't do it.00:12:26.070 –> 00:12:37.200 Joseph McElroy: yeah and a lot more depth and meaning and that journey led me along the way, but it was me being an arrogant ignorant cus that started my journey.00:12:39.090 –> 00:12:39.780 Neal Hutcheson: I love to hear.00:12:40.410 –> 00:12:40.830 yeah.00:12:41.910 –> 00:12:49.530 Joseph McElroy: Well we'll come back we'll jump into some of the stuff that you've done and dig deeper into your art and this way rooms.00:12:49.740 –> 00:12:50.100 Neal Hutcheson: Thank you.00:15:15.270 –> 00:15:26.340 Joseph McElroy: Oh sorry I was muted, so this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast and my guest Neal Hutcheson, Neal has an idea how you doing.00:15:26.970 –> 00:15:30.150 Joseph McElroy: Great Yes, that was my awkward entry.00:15:31.320 –> 00:15:33.180 Joseph McElroy: So I do that occasionally.00:15:34.980 –> 00:15:40.860 Joseph McElroy: So you know I mentioned mountain talk, but that wasn't your first documentary right.00:15:42.960 –> 00:15:46.410 Neal Hutcheson: It was probably the first one that I recognize is actually being a documentary.00:15:46.440 –> 00:15:49.920 Joseph McElroy: That was your first one that's your art okay cool.00:15:51.090 –> 00:15:51.750 Joseph McElroy: You know the.00:15:52.860 –> 00:16:01.260 Joseph McElroy: I yeah I entitled this episode outlaws and outliers because you've done some outliers and the most famous being popcorn sudden.00:16:01.680 –> 00:16:14.280 Joseph McElroy: But you've got some other you've done some documentaries and work about another you understand you had you have collaborated with a gifted writer and storyteller and play right there named Gary Carden of Cillo.00:16:15.780 –> 00:16:19.260 Joseph McElroy: And he's a colorful talented person, how did you two meet.00:16:20.430 –> 00:16:24.750 Neal Hutcheson: Well, I met him like I met so many other people when I came up here working on mountain talk.00:16:25.200 –> 00:16:34.860 Neal Hutcheson: um I spent about two years you know back and forth from Raleigh working on that particular film but I'm Gary was one of the people that I really connected with.00:16:35.340 –> 00:16:53.430 Neal Hutcheson: And of course, we've been working together, ever since um but somebody pointed him putting me in his direction, basically, they said they said he's you should talk to him, he talks about language, a little bit so that's how it started, I went and found him and I interviewed him and.00:16:55.140 –> 00:17:01.140 Neal Hutcheson: I just kept visiting him and in fact, I started working on a documentary about him in00:17:01.140 –> 00:17:03.930 Neal Hutcheson: Particular, and this is in maybe.00:17:05.460 –> 00:17:08.220 Neal Hutcheson: Alright, so I'm still hoping I'm hoping to finish it this year.00:17:09.840 –> 00:17:13.470 Joseph McElroy: Do you tell you to take your time with your subjects right.00:17:13.860 –> 00:17:17.040 Neal Hutcheson: I don't like I have any control over it sometimes they kind of work out.00:17:18.660 –> 00:17:22.530 Neal Hutcheson: process that uses me and I just think they're done when they're done, you know.00:17:23.070 –> 00:17:38.520 Joseph McElroy: So you'd Have you had him collaborate, and this is what was interesting to me the outlaw Lewis Redmond who was I guess the first king of the moonshiners, can you tell us a little bit about that project and him and it didn't he kill a man and get away with it.00:17:39.540 –> 00:17:58.800 Neal Hutcheson: yeah well, in the end, he didn't get away with that, but um yeah that's right it's a great story Lewis Redmond was, first of all, let me mention about Gary cartons also play right and the way I got onto this particular topic was Gary pardons play called the Prince of dark corners and.00:18:00.660 –> 00:18:08.970 Neal Hutcheson: And so I produced with Gary and with an actor named Milton Higgins, a really brilliant guy who, sadly, died last month, but.00:18:09.600 –> 00:18:12.510 Neal Hutcheson: So the three of us put you know did a production of that play.00:18:13.380 –> 00:18:18.810 Neal Hutcheson: that's how I got to know the story of Lewis Redmond because that's what the play was about, and then I did a follow-up documentary.00:18:19.230 –> 00:18:40.710 Neal Hutcheson: But Lewis Redmond was an outlaw active in were up where you are in southern Appalachian at the end of the 19th century, and he was active at the same time is billy the kid and Jesse James names that everybody knows, and he was actually more famous than either one of them.00:18:41.790 –> 00:18:43.740 Neal Hutcheson: Is paper articles about Lewis Redmond.00:18:44.250 –> 00:18:45.180 Neal Hutcheson: And even one of those.00:18:45.240 –> 00:18:51.180 Neal Hutcheson: Does too so that's amazing when you think about the fact that, obviously, most of your listeners have probably never heard of him.00:18:51.570 –> 00:18:55.440 Joseph McElroy: No, I didn't know until I started researching you I had never heard of them.00:18:56.460 –> 00:19:03.750 Joseph McElroy: So it's interesting, but he was quite a character, he killed the what was the Sheriff or something like that was trying to rescue.00:19:04.410 –> 00:19:06.030 Neal Hutcheson: yeah that's right.00:19:06.300 –> 00:19:07.890 Neal Hutcheson: He may have killed another man there's.00:19:08.040 –> 00:19:13.170 Neal Hutcheson: You know that that's one thing that's interesting about his story is that the historical record is very muddied.00:19:13.830 –> 00:19:15.930 Neal Hutcheson: kind of his money in a way that it's.00:19:16.110 –> 00:19:35.040 Neal Hutcheson: Interesting really reflects the kind of public media about Appalachia through a lot of America's history, which is, which is to say that in southern in mountain papers and regional papers, he was regarded as he was talked about in these very noble terms.00:19:35.430 –> 00:19:36.840 Neal Hutcheson: And in the northern papers.00:19:37.050 –> 00:19:38.550 Neal Hutcheson: He was.00:19:39.570 –> 00:19:49.110 Neal Hutcheson: talked about as a degenerate and it's outlawed and stuff like that you know and there was this very exaggerated kind of depictions of him so it's a really interesting subject.00:19:49.440 –> 00:19:54.120 Neal Hutcheson: And the truth is somewhere in the middle and nobody you know, has really sorted it all out but.00:19:54.390 –> 00:20:06.990 Joseph McElroy: Well, I mean yeah I mean you know you understand it because the moonshine was an important source of income for a lot of people, it helps save a lot of people's families at the same time, have destroyed a lot of people's families right so.00:20:07.500 –> 00:20:11.220 Joseph McElroy: Absolutely it's people used to worship the ones that could make a go of it.00:20:12.810 –> 00:20:33.390 Joseph McElroy: You know I remember growing up, you know and that which would have been the 60s, there was an early 70s, the that what people would say with it with a sort of a tongue in cheek but they would say you were more likely to get arrested for drunk driving, then you were for killing somebody.00:20:34.620 –> 00:20:36.480 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah so.00:20:38.250 –> 00:20:48.630 Joseph McElroy: It was, it was a little bit rough and sort of some ways, but you know I read this quote from you right, I thought it was really insightful, you said you wrote you.00:20:49.260 –> 00:21:02.280 Joseph McElroy: told somebody if I forget who it was but mountain culture is surprisingly vigorous and surprisingly alive and will be until the current generation of 50 somethings dies out and it is dying out.00:21:02.760 –> 00:21:07.800 Joseph McElroy: psychologically there's a fundamental difference in the way they look at the world and treat each other.00:21:08.400 –> 00:21:19.560 Joseph McElroy: They wear masks and assume roles which is not necessarily a bad thing, but mountain people are not capable of that, I think that was like 2003 years, do you think that's still true what did you mean.00:21:20.820 –> 00:21:32.760 Neal Hutcheson: yeah I think a lot has changed since I said that, and I think what I was witnessing and what other people witnessing is the real-time change has taken place and.00:21:33.180 –> 00:21:46.110 Neal Hutcheson: um but no there's still this pockets of real mountain culture and people who come into the area can still experience that and meet people and get any you know and get to experience a little bit of that.00:21:46.650 –> 00:21:48.540 Joseph McElroy: um you know.00:21:49.380 –> 00:21:56.460 Neal Hutcheson: There is a there's a book that tends to be castigated called our southern highlanders by.00:21:56.730 –> 00:22:07.050 Neal Hutcheson: A very famous right yeah and he was right in the area like he was probably you're in Maggie Valley, right now, so he was camping you know, a couple of miles from where you're talking right now.00:22:07.410 –> 00:22:20.310 Neal Hutcheson: And when he was writing this book, so you know the people that he was writing about work if you're talking about the long term residents that are still there, they were the very people that are still there, their grandparents.00:22:20.550 –> 00:22:33.720 Neal Hutcheson: Right and um The funny thing is I got to because of my friendship with Popcorn Sutton and a few other people like I really got to see the inside of mountain culture and I'm.00:22:34.350 –> 00:22:52.260 Neal Hutcheson: Even though that book our southern Highlands is problematic and people have attacked it for good reasons, I got to see that they were very real characteristics in as people that are described perfectly in that book that was written almost 100 years ago.00:22:52.590 –> 00:22:54.930 Neal Hutcheson: mm hmm right so that shows you the strength of.00:22:55.980 –> 00:23:06.210 Neal Hutcheson: Culture and the character of the culture that, with all the changes in the last hundred years you, you still can see that same the same tendencies they're baked in.00:23:07.410 –> 00:23:07.860 Neal Hutcheson: Now.00:23:08.910 –> 00:23:14.070 Neal Hutcheson: I don't know you know what I said the quote, that you gave you know I don't know is the next generation inheriting those.00:23:15.300 –> 00:23:31.050 Joseph McElroy: University, you know this this this weekend, we had storytellers and singers over at the Meadowlark Heritage Center right and we had a 70-year-old storyteller tell a story, but he was brought there by a 20 something-year-old.00:23:32.040 –> 00:23:36.840 Joseph McElroy: Guy there who's a previous person in this podcast, Will Ritter.00:23:37.830 –> 00:23:38.580 Joseph McElroy: Yes, okay.00:23:38.910 –> 00:23:51.240 Joseph McElroy: yeah and he learned from all these old-timers you know the culture and heritage, and it was really fabulous, so there are young people out there, learning it and you know my.00:23:51.600 –> 00:24:04.020 Joseph McElroy: My family right there still people that live up in the hills and you know, are still very, very much in mountain culture, and you know it's a there's a beauty to it, I mean once you.00:24:04.530 –> 00:24:15.270 Joseph McElroy: pick you to know get through the what some people perceive is sort of the hard exterior it's a very loving culture and very funny yes yeah.00:24:16.050 –> 00:24:29.520 Neal Hutcheson: Right, you know when I was working in Cherokee which is not far from where you are a there, there was a story in there that we interviewed who suggested that I'm.00:24:30.390 –> 00:24:34.650 Neal Hutcheson: Mountain culture not only influences Cherokee culture but Cherokee called culture influence.00:24:35.190 –> 00:24:40.770 Neal Hutcheson: Mountain culture, and so what you're talking about this part of the exterior that you don't quite know.00:24:41.130 –> 00:24:49.350 Neal Hutcheson: What people are thinking you're not seeing their emotions and stuff like that, and what you get behind it it's very loving and very, very funny a lot of like.00:24:49.680 –> 00:25:01.200 Neal Hutcheson: poking fun at each other in a very smart and say like don't be fooled if you have not been to the mountains and you have the perception that you're going to be dealing with some simple yokels because they haven't necessarily been.00:25:01.710 –> 00:25:13.050 Neal Hutcheson: Like that they're going to be one step ahead of you, the whole time so like they may be making fun of you, and you never even catch it so now drop your attitude at the door, I say.00:25:15.300 –> 00:25:21.270 Joseph McElroy: Well yeah there seems to be a common thread in your work, I looked at it and you know and it's the, it is the.00:25:21.660 –> 00:25:39.570 Joseph McElroy: Preservation of various kinds of nature, culture native cultures, like the Cherokee Indian language Appalachian culture, you know African American dialects as well, as you know, mount musing moon shining so and even heritage fisheries out in the east coast so.00:25:39.840 –> 00:25:40.590 Joseph McElroy: Is that.00:25:40.650 –> 00:25:46.980 Joseph McElroy: Where your passion lies in a sort of like understanding these cultures and maybe giving a little to help preserve them.00:25:47.580 –> 00:25:59.760 Neal Hutcheson: Well, you know I would back up from preservation and say my passion really is in when I get on the scene and I find something that I'm really interested in, and I see how quickly it's changing I feel like.00:26:00.240 –> 00:26:10.770 Neal Hutcheson: You know, sometimes I feel like I am on the spot, with my experience and uh you know recording devices and I feel a duty to document things as they change.00:26:11.070 –> 00:26:11.580 Joseph McElroy: mom.00:26:12.030 –> 00:26:23.520 Neal Hutcheson: Can that lead to like preservation and specific instances, I think, so you know if people understand like fishermen like if you know.00:26:24.240 –> 00:26:29.760 Neal Hutcheson: People who are not from the community, may come down there and find them to be a very rough bunch of people they may.00:26:30.210 –> 00:26:38.220 Neal Hutcheson: have negative stereotypes about the way that they treat the resource and things like that, but then, as they get to know them that you know if they can understand their experiences a little more.00:26:38.550 –> 00:26:43.950 Neal Hutcheson: They kind of understand that it's much more nuanced than what they've been given to understand.00:26:44.370 –> 00:26:47.730 Neal Hutcheson: And though they actually will wind up being in sympathy with.00:26:47.820 –> 00:26:48.210 With.00:26:49.380 –> 00:27:06.780 Neal Hutcheson: Certain people that they might not have expected to previously because they had misconceptions about them and so can understanding people lead to I'm not doing the things that change their culture as much I, I hope, so I think so.00:27:08.160 –> 00:27:15.330 Joseph McElroy: I think, also, I think you know, yes, the world can be overwhelming at times and it can come in and try to force you to.00:27:15.690 –> 00:27:25.320 Joseph McElroy: You know, think that your culture is not important or stupid or silly and it can cause, especially younger people to say abandon it right.00:27:25.740 –> 00:27:35.250 Joseph McElroy: And I think that a lot of people can come to understand hey the culture, they grew up in was really important to who they are, and it was really beautiful and a lot of ways.00:27:35.820 –> 00:27:43.680 Joseph McElroy: Right and I, you know I started this podcast you know sort of the business intent, but you know I've also discovered that I love.00:27:44.520 –> 00:27:58.950 Joseph McElroy: You know, bringing this culture and the beauty of this culture to light, so you know I think what you're doing is fabulous in that regard so we're going to take a break and I guess we'll talk about a little bit about your famous subject.00:28:00.210 –> 00:28:00.540 Neal Hutcheson: Okay.00:28:02.880 –> 00:28:03.150 Neal Hutcheson: Good.00:30:33.480 –> 00:30:47.610 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast and my guest Neal Hutcheson so know you mentioned him and Maggie valid, but I'm actually sitting in New York City I split my time between Maggie Valley.00:30:47.640 –> 00:30:58.200 Joseph McElroy: North cal okay so, but you know I when I left the mountains, you know I had to do sort of the reverse of you, I had to go outside the world and had to get people to.00:30:58.950 –> 00:31:14.700 Joseph McElroy: You know, open up to me and accept me, you know, and you know penetrate yeah whatever cultural norms that that existed in a place like new york's always sort of slightly testing you and you have to always you know to prove that you can handle it but.00:31:15.240 –> 00:31:17.070 Joseph McElroy: You know, when you came to.00:31:18.090 –> 00:31:20.130 Joseph McElroy: The mountains there's obviously.00:31:21.480 –> 00:31:30.660 Joseph McElroy: A big testing a barrier, you know dependent trading that you know, and so, how did you get your subjects to accept you and to warm up to you.00:31:31.770 –> 00:31:42.870 Neal Hutcheson: A bit well I just spent time there and I gave them um you know I always kind of knew intuitively not to.00:31:43.950 –> 00:32:02.910 Neal Hutcheson: Try to ingratiate myself or try as if, as if they wouldn't like to see through my efforts to kind of win their trust or what you know, so I just was always mindful of just being myself and just spending enough time that I had they had a chance to assess me and.00:32:04.350 –> 00:32:08.580 Neal Hutcheson: Consider, whatever it is, you know that I was after so that was basically it.00:32:09.330 –> 00:32:17.370 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know I I knew popcorn Sutton not particularly well, but I knew I knew him and he knows, he was a real kg guy.00:32:18.300 –> 00:32:21.900 Joseph McElroy: yeah he was he yeah he was smart and he's always sort of.00:32:21.960 –> 00:32:31.200 Joseph McElroy: I always felt he was putting on a little bit of her performance because it was you know I made his money, so how did, how did you break through and get to some real honest stuff from him.00:32:32.730 –> 00:32:40.500 Neal Hutcheson: Well, it did you know it took a long time in a way to get like you know, beyond the performance but I'm.00:32:42.330 –> 00:32:52.620 Neal Hutcheson: In a way, you know not that long because I would say, you may not agree with this, I don't know, but I would say like there was always a performance in the play.00:32:53.130 –> 00:33:06.630 Neal Hutcheson: When he was dealing with the public um, but it was kind of based on who he really was, and so is interestingly, it was like the performance was kind of close to who he actually was he was just giving.00:33:07.980 –> 00:33:17.310 Neal Hutcheson: You know, certain portions of the public, maybe more more more the tourist a version of a moonshiner that they would that was what they expected.00:33:17.520 –> 00:33:20.850 Neal Hutcheson: You know and but behind the scenes, he actually was that.00:33:21.270 –> 00:33:21.750 Neal Hutcheson: So.00:33:22.110 –> 00:33:30.000 Neal Hutcheson: You know, so I think he just kind of knew where to lean in and exaggerate and things like that sometimes he could lay it on a little thick.00:33:31.740 –> 00:33:37.500 Joseph McElroy: though he was better in the mountains, we have somebody that can make a deal really well we call them a horse trader.00:33:37.980 –> 00:33:45.120 Joseph McElroy: My dad's a hell of a horse trader he's from way back in the mountains finds creek and he input popcorn Sutton get along.00:33:45.570 –> 00:34:01.740 Joseph McElroy: Along really well because my dad was a contractor and you know popcorn would need some things every once in Australia with him to get some construction done an exchange for some variables of moonshine so I ended up getting a drink some popcorn moonshine over the years.00:34:03.150 –> 00:34:12.300 Joseph McElroy: So yeah so you would say, though, that he was a master promoting themselves right and making deals to get himself known against products out there.00:34:13.710 –> 00:34:24.540 Neal Hutcheson: yeah I think he was but I, you know I just I didn't want it it's true but and but you know along the way, some people have written them off and said he wasn't a real thing he was just playing a character.00:34:25.140 –> 00:34:26.250 Joseph McElroy: It was the real thing.00:34:27.390 –> 00:34:27.930 Neal Hutcheson: Right.00:34:28.140 –> 00:34:31.650 Neal Hutcheson: Jackie I just want to emphasize that yeah there's a performance all right, but.00:34:32.010 –> 00:34:32.370 Joseph McElroy: It was.00:34:33.240 –> 00:34:39.810 Joseph McElroy: To make moonshine you have to know it's almost instinctual when the turn to when.00:34:40.680 –> 00:34:47.550 Joseph McElroy: To cut it and when to stop you know when the what point in the distilling process to pull the liquor out and that's what you're going to drink.00:34:47.940 –> 00:34:59.640 Joseph McElroy: Right and the right water and things like that, if you don't do it exactly right and have so almost instinctual thing about it it'll just taste horrible but he's always tasted really good he had an art to it.00:34:59.970 –> 00:35:06.810 Neal Hutcheson: yeah that's true that's right there's the one aspect of it, which is the craftsman and that was all true, and that was there.00:35:07.290 –> 00:35:16.470 Neal Hutcheson: And, but then you know the art of performance is something I talked about a little bit in the book that I did on popcorn and I speculate that.00:35:17.190 –> 00:35:21.720 Neal Hutcheson: I don't have any you know other sources for this, but I speculate that what you were talking about.00:35:22.110 –> 00:35:31.140 Neal Hutcheson: About horse-trading and the talent for barter in the mountains, is that the talent for performance in the mountains, which is well known and incredible.00:35:31.590 –> 00:35:40.860 Neal Hutcheson: That that developed out of the little bits that you do around trading things and the and the kind of like well you know devaluing things and just that you know.00:35:41.190 –> 00:35:57.990 Neal Hutcheson: That skill that was honed over so much time and I think that when the park was founded and outsiders came in and stuff like that that I think that that led them naturally to some of them to find inner talent for performance.00:35:58.620 –> 00:36:00.630 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know I think if you look at.00:36:00.690 –> 00:36:13.590 Joseph McElroy: The traditional storytelling amount of storytelling is often an exaggeration right I caught 50 fish in the pant leg when I fell in the water or.00:36:14.400 –> 00:36:21.120 Joseph McElroy: That sort of thing is sort of the reverse of the horse-trading, which says well these trousers are no good I couldn't catch any fish.00:36:23.160 –> 00:36:27.000 Joseph McElroy: right there like obviously opposite of the same coin.00:36:28.050 –> 00:36:28.530 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:36:28.830 –> 00:36:35.790 Joseph McElroy: yeah so um so you've done three movies on popcorn right documentaries.00:36:36.030 –> 00:36:42.270 Neal Hutcheson: yeah it's a little bit of a complicated history but yeah technically three movies, we did a cult classic.00:36:43.020 –> 00:36:51.210 Neal Hutcheson: Well, it would become a cult classic, the first thing that I made was really for the popcorn to sell out of his junk shop and something he wanted to do.00:36:51.480 –> 00:36:59.760 Neal Hutcheson: And that one's called that one's always that one's the most popular now 20 years later um it's called this is the last time round of liquor I'll ever make.00:37:00.600 –> 00:37:02.340 Neal Hutcheson: sense yeah.00:37:02.400 –> 00:37:11.850 Neal Hutcheson: we're still it's the whole thing on YouTube if anybody wants to check it out, but people are still discovering it and it's lasted longer than anything else I've done but um.00:37:12.540 –> 00:37:26.130 Neal Hutcheson: Then I did a TV version which came out at the tail end of 2008 called the last one, and that was a PBS family-friendly kind of version of that with cutaways for context and interviews and things like that it's a.00:37:26.430 –> 00:37:26.940 Neal Hutcheson: little different.00:37:27.660 –> 00:37:31.200 Neal Hutcheson: And then I did a more biographical piece called a hell of a life.00:37:32.430 –> 00:37:38.370 Neal Hutcheson: And that came out after he died in 2009 that came out in oh I forget, but maybe 2012.00:37:39.240 –> 00:37:53.010 Joseph McElroy: yeah cool well and you've also I saw you recently you've done a book recently like it's almost like a table talk book, but so more meaningful, I mean what was how did you come about doing that.00:37:53.370 –> 00:38:01.890 Neal Hutcheson: yeah well thanks for describing it that way it's it's deliberately designed to be enjoyable if you want to flip through idly or if you want to dig in so.00:38:03.150 –> 00:38:03.870 Neal Hutcheson: I.00:38:05.580 –> 00:38:14.970 Neal Hutcheson: knew that people would want to have copies because popcorn is is well known and intriguing and so I felt a duty to make it as good as I possibly could um.00:38:15.480 –> 00:38:18.600 Neal Hutcheson: You know, in a way, I feel like I was always working on that book and I just didn't know it.00:38:19.470 –> 00:38:35.910 Neal Hutcheson: While I was doing the documentaries, the real motivation was that you know nowadays popcorn is remembered as in some quarters as something akin to a folk hero and it's a very simplified version and a very kind of.00:38:37.230 –> 00:38:41.970 Neal Hutcheson: Noble you know version of who he was is a friend of mine, okay I'm not dragging down.00:38:42.450 –> 00:38:50.160 Neal Hutcheson: And I think that folk hero is interesting, and I think that that phenomenon with him turning into a folk hero is fascinating and I talked about that in the book.00:38:50.430 –> 00:38:54.840 Neal Hutcheson: But you know, the main purpose at the start of working on the book was to.00:38:55.500 –> 00:39:06.810 Neal Hutcheson: Make sure that he's remembered as I knew him as a person I knew he would want that that he did he really didn't want to be the hero he wanted to be that law and he wanted to be who he was.00:39:07.740 –> 00:39:19.590 Neal Hutcheson: And so I think that and so the book tries, and I think, to some extent, I would say if it's okay for me to say about my own book like succeeds in capturing him, you know fairly.00:39:20.700 –> 00:39:24.060 Joseph McElroy: cool what was the name of the book again what was the full title of it.00:39:24.390 –> 00:39:26.220 Neal Hutcheson: it's called the moonshiner popcorn sun.00:39:26.460 –> 00:39:30.450 Joseph McElroy: The moon cheddar popcorn Sutton and it's available on a lot of places you go to the.00:39:31.530 –> 00:39:39.570 Joseph McElroy: I think we have it up on smokies adventure.com and the Meadowlark motel and you can probably get it on Amazon right it's a great book and there's a DVD with it right.00:39:40.140 –> 00:39:56.610 Neal Hutcheson: If you get it on Amazon you're going to pay him because I held back because I want people to buy it from local places like the meadowlark and the other places that are supporting the book and that support community and culture, so I hope people will buy local first.00:39:57.690 –> 00:40:17.310 Joseph McElroy: Nice good local living economies it's we can promote that that's important you know that's why I keep the small business I have in the mountains going is to support local economies, I think it's important yeah so and you have a publishing company and a production company.00:40:17.760 –> 00:40:20.430 Neal Hutcheson: Well I've got a publishing company, now that I've published a book.00:40:22.260 –> 00:40:36.690 Neal Hutcheson: How many more books will publish we'll see it's a lot of work turns out um but yeah I've got a production company that's basically has facilitated my own projects it's more or fewer one-man-bands of still.00:40:38.340 –> 00:40:43.500 Neal Hutcheson: In recent years, I've been collaborating with other people I'm an independent project but.00:40:45.900 –> 00:40:46.140 Neal Hutcheson: yeah.00:40:46.170 –> 00:40:52.980 Neal Hutcheson: Just I just kind of invented and improvised all along the way to make whatever it was I was doing next Hampton.00:40:53.550 –> 00:40:56.340 Joseph McElroy: Why did you call it sucker punch productions.00:40:58.110 –> 00:41:01.680 Neal Hutcheson: Well there's triple entendre in that it's.00:41:03.090 –> 00:41:07.830 Neal Hutcheson: Nothing to be worried about, but mainly you know um.00:41:09.270 –> 00:41:17.820 Neal Hutcheson: I was thinking about it sounds kind of punky and brash and I was kind of I felt as the upstart like who what right do I have to just make.00:41:18.330 –> 00:41:34.380 Neal Hutcheson: Films without anybody's permission and be the kind of like octopus character, you know supine on sucker Punch and just and you know all the different jobs that I have to have in order to make a film, you know it's not just filming and editing.00:41:35.880 –> 00:41:38.400 Neal Hutcheson: It was funny to me the different arms alright.00:41:38.820 –> 00:41:39.300 city.00:41:40.500 –> 00:41:48.720 Joseph McElroy: No, I mean it's important to have something meaningful for your company, especially if you have an inside joke, I had a company called corporate performance artists.00:41:49.080 –> 00:42:00.750 Joseph McElroy: One time because somebody asked me while I was doing art and others do raising I raised some money for a startup in the.com era and they said what the hell, are you and I said I guess I'm a corporate performance artist.00:42:03.720 –> 00:42:08.040 Joseph McElroy: I named my company that I would tell people I'm performing my company.00:42:08.220 –> 00:42:18.510 Joseph McElroy: And it was an engine, it was an inside joke, but yeah it makes it, it makes it fun, it makes it something that's personal and the little secret that you can have.00:42:19.050 –> 00:42:25.050 Neal Hutcheson: Exactly what you know if you're going to do something for yourself, you should have fun and you know indulge a little bit and make it the way you want to.00:42:25.950 –> 00:42:26.640 cool.00:42:27.810 –> 00:42:35.040 Joseph McElroy: So I think you Bob are some you working on Bob Plott do introduce us right so yeah.00:42:35.970 –> 00:42:48.600 Joseph McElroy: So you see we're gonna need to take a break now, so I want to talk about a queen family that you're working on and then we're getting sent you know so much about the mountains now when I get your favorite things to go for people to go see.00:42:49.110 –> 00:42:49.620 Neal Hutcheson: sounds good.00:42:50.040 –> 00:42:50.550 All right.00:45:23.730 –> 00:45:33.000 Joseph McElroy: Howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast with my guest Neal Hutcheson so Neil, you are working on.00:45:33.960 –> 00:45:43.200 Joseph McElroy: Something that's interesting to me, you know Maggie Valley calls itself the calling capital of the world right so we're always proud of dancing in the mountains, especially you know.00:45:44.070 –> 00:45:52.860 Joseph McElroy: square dancing and plugin so you're working on a project on the iconic queen family, one of the foremost musical advancing clans and the great smokies what you doing.00:45:54.150 –> 00:45:58.020 Neal Hutcheson: Oh well, you know that was actually a project that I did some years ago.00:45:58.380 –> 00:45:58.890 Joseph McElroy: Oh, really.00:45:59.070 –> 00:46:05.280 Neal Hutcheson: yeah it's already done and it was about music and the group that queen it, as you know, for us, you know.00:46:05.760 –> 00:46:15.690 Neal Hutcheson: yeah it's a huge huge name up there, and so there, there are great dancers, but the ones that are working with weren't really into dancing they were just in the music.00:46:15.960 –> 00:46:22.590 Neal Hutcheson: Okay, so they were in Jackson County off of Johns creek Canny fork.00:46:24.180 –> 00:46:24.960 Neal Hutcheson: You know that area.00:46:25.320 –> 00:46:27.330 Neal Hutcheson: yeah okay so.00:46:28.590 –> 00:46:37.020 Neal Hutcheson: And it was I started with Mary Jane Queen, who was the matriarch of the family and she knew balance that was hundreds of years old and so.00:46:38.430 –> 00:46:49.020 Neal Hutcheson: But I gradually got to know more of her family and they're all musical and when they get together, they would all play they're literally on the back porch and make incredible mountain music and it wasn't like it wasn't.00:46:50.160 –> 00:47:03.810 Neal Hutcheson: It was like the real thing you know it was like you just felt them expressing their love for each other by sharing that music with each other and so that's basically what I was documenting is looking at mountain culture through another window, which was, which was music.00:47:04.440 –> 00:47:08.730 Joseph McElroy: Well I'm very interested in seeing that what where do you have that documentary.00:47:09.570 –> 00:47:11.430 Neal Hutcheson: I think the whole thing is on YouTube right now.00:47:11.700 –> 00:47:12.600 Joseph McElroy: And what's it called.00:47:12.930 –> 00:47:14.070 Neal Hutcheson: it's called the Queen family.00:47:14.910 –> 00:47:15.510 Joseph McElroy: The Queen.00:47:20.040 –> 00:47:26.940 Joseph McElroy: So you bet a lot of visiting the mountains Okay, so what is your, what is your favorite natural.00:47:28.020 –> 00:47:29.340 Joseph McElroy: wonder in the mountains.00:47:30.270 –> 00:47:38.190 Neal Hutcheson: Oh that's a good question um you know I used to come up there backpacking a lot when I was a kid and I didn't know anything about the culture, but I really enjoyed the.00:47:38.790 –> 00:47:50.130 Neal Hutcheson: landscape and just interacting with the wild spaces and my favorite place was always Joyce Kilmer slick rock area, which is adjacent to Graham county.00:47:50.640 –> 00:47:53.580 Joseph McElroy: yeah what was that, what do you find special about that.00:47:54.540 –> 00:48:04.440 Neal Hutcheson: Well, I like to the trails you know for backpacking but then you know, one of the really special things about that spot is that they preserved, a small.00:48:05.310 –> 00:48:20.940 Neal Hutcheson: selection and that that was never logged right, so all the mountains most a lot of people don't even know this, that the great Appalachian wilderness was was absolutely incredible with these huge trees, there were 12 feet in diameter and those are all gone, they were all logged.00:48:21.360 –> 00:48:32.640 Neal Hutcheson: And um what we see now is what runs back right and it's beautiful but it's not the wild place that was there before and so Joyce Kilmer you could see that and.00:48:33.360 –> 00:48:39.300 Neal Hutcheson: You know the last time I went as the storm and taken out a lot of the big trees, unfortunately, it was kind of sad but it's still there.00:48:39.510 –> 00:48:46.050 Neal Hutcheson: And you can go there and park and there are short trails you can walk you don't have to go backpacking anything like that you can walk half a mile or a mile.00:48:46.320 –> 00:48:49.350 Neal Hutcheson: and get back in there cool and they create is just gorgeous.00:48:49.950 –> 00:48:54.300 Joseph McElroy: Oh yeah I haven't actually visited there, so I need to do that, that sounds really like a wonderful time.00:48:55.560 –> 00:49:05.070 Joseph McElroy: Now, your new popcorn sudden so you know a little bit about the distilleries I think you were involved with the moonshine or should they still have it right, it was inspired by your movie anyway.00:49:05.850 –> 00:49:07.050 Neal Hutcheson: I believe that it was.00:49:07.140 –> 00:49:20.310 Joseph McElroy: yeah so so you know local distillery So is there any of them doing anything any a quote-unquote moonshine it's not real moonshine if it's legal but moonshine that's pretty good compared to popcorn to brew.00:49:20.700 –> 00:49:23.340 Neal Hutcheson: Well, you know a lot of these things have sprung up fairly recently.00:49:23.670 –> 00:49:30.420 Neal Hutcheson: yeah and there's you know there's a lot of good beer, you can get in the mountains Now I will not turn down a good hipster IPA.00:49:32.430 –> 00:49:40.500 Neal Hutcheson: And you can find them whether you're in silver or there's a great place and Bryson city, but anyway and an inhaler brewing company I think they're called.00:49:40.800 –> 00:49:42.930 Joseph McElroy: I go to the gym in Waynesville yeah.00:49:43.200 –> 00:49:46.530 Neal Hutcheson: there's good beer around but it's not you know that's nothing traditional.00:49:46.740 –> 00:49:47.250 Neal Hutcheson: yeah i'm.00:49:47.730 –> 00:49:51.930 Neal Hutcheson: The only distillery that I know anything about is elevated mountain in.00:49:52.650 –> 00:50:02.400 Neal Hutcheson: In Maggie valley and I think people should go check it out, and they should see that because I'm the proprietor Dave Angel he puts on a great tour, and you get to sample the stuff.00:50:02.820 –> 00:50:12.150 Neal Hutcheson: And it's good quality and he's from there, and I think I'm not quite sure about his whole story, but I think he's he's like you in that he's been elsewhere and comes back.00:50:12.720 –> 00:50:15.600 Joseph McElroy: yeah he was actually in New York for a little while but he's a cousin he's my cousin.00:50:18.630 –> 00:50:19.110 Joseph McElroy: Down there.00:50:21.480 –> 00:50:36.450 Joseph McElroy: Let me do you go to sell a lot and that's a wonderful town, what would you say is a great itinerary one to build visit silver, starting with breakfast you know and then where you might go in the morning, then lunch in the afternoon and dinner in the evening for entertainment.00:50:37.110 –> 00:50:47.820 Neal Hutcheson: Well, silver has changed a lot, too, is it's developed but um it always had a little bit of stuff going on because it's its proximity to Western Carolina university um but.00:50:48.930 –> 00:50:53.610 Neal Hutcheson: You know, and you can spend a day in Silva and you can find good food morning.00:50:54.990 –> 00:51:05.760 Neal Hutcheson: morning, day and night but um if I was going up there and somebody was going up to explore the area, I would say, getting your current in or in motorcycle whatever drive a little bit and get around.00:51:06.240 –> 00:51:06.570 Joseph McElroy: and00:51:07.380 –> 00:51:14.280 Neal Hutcheson: I always like to in fact I just mentioned Joyce Kilmer well that's close to robin's bill and Robin so.00:51:15.030 –> 00:51:28.590 Neal Hutcheson: The last time I was there doesn't have a lot going on, but I always love going to Robin so you really feel like you're getting back into a mountain Community um and there's a place there, I think it's called lose know it's called.00:51:30.090 –> 00:51:42.540 Neal Hutcheson: Lucy lens something like lens place it's had different names of the rooms, but it's top of the hill one and robin's bill, and you won't miss it because there's not much else around and it's just a diner you're going to get breakfast there you're going to get regular.00:51:43.650 –> 00:51:48.270 Neal Hutcheson: You know diner kind of breakfast food, but what you're also going to get is you're going to be around local people.00:51:48.720 –> 00:51:59.070 Neal Hutcheson: In there and they're going to be friendly they're probably curious about what you're doing and it won't be hard to strike up a conversation, which I highly recommend and start your morning out that way.00:51:59.400 –> 00:52:07.350 Neal Hutcheson: that's fabulous right Okay, and then you can take a nice drive, if you want to go by Joyce Kilmer you take the roadster curvy and beautiful motorcyclists love them.00:52:07.650 –> 00:52:15.420 Neal Hutcheson: And you can take you can go I've never spent much time at Fontana village, but if you like, that kind of thing there's a lot of stuff out there.00:52:15.660 –> 00:52:17.070 Joseph McElroy: Historical stuff yeah.00:52:17.460 –> 00:52:26.850 Neal Hutcheson: And, and then you can see Fontana damn which is impressive a piece of work, and circle back around and come back to silver for lunch.00:52:27.330 –> 00:52:40.170 Neal Hutcheson: And you don't want to miss the coffee shop because it's just another place where real people gather it's been there forever, my friend Gary Carden who's now at six I think IQ as a kid he.00:52:40.890 –> 00:52:43.830 Neal Hutcheson: What do you call it car hopped or whatever he brought the burgers out to people in the car.00:52:44.880 –> 00:52:45.660 Joseph McElroy: coffee shop.00:52:46.380 –> 00:52:49.110 Neal Hutcheson: coffee shop, the signing, and so on, the main road gold and silver.00:52:51.030 –> 00:53:00.570 Neal Hutcheson: And they're going to have country food it's going to be hardy fair they're gonna have a special of the day they're going to cook a good meal, you probably need to take a walk afterward if you're planning to have dinner because you'd be full.00:53:00.960 –> 00:53:01.320 But.00:53:02.370 –> 00:53:09.000 Neal Hutcheson: But again it's also we're working people look people are going to go to so that's why I would give those answers.00:53:10.590 –> 00:53:19.530 Neal Hutcheson: And then, because you had me thinking about this before, so I was there was a place this place in Bryson City, so if you want to go for a really fine meal after.00:53:20.220 –> 00:53:31.710 Neal Hutcheson: All that um there's a place called the pork and bean in Bryson city and they cook they've got a great Jeff there and they and they cook a lot of like fresh healthy.00:53:34.020 –> 00:53:36.810 Neal Hutcheson: freshly sourced fair original.00:53:38.130 –> 00:53:43.410 Neal Hutcheson: an original menu oftentimes you can get mountain trout which is my favorite So if you can.00:53:43.440 –> 00:53:46.560 Joseph McElroy: Get that I would recommend getting it done well it's, the best thing to get.00:53:46.590 –> 00:53:55.230 Joseph McElroy: In the mountains yeah cool well, we have a few minutes left How do people get in touch with you or follow you and keep track of what you're doing?00:53:56.790 –> 00:54:00.750 Neal Hutcheson: Well um I'd say you know if you want to check out the work.00:54:01.050 –> 00:54:13.860 Neal Hutcheson: there's a lot of like extra clips and especially a lot with Popcorn Sutton on my YouTube channel and it's sucker punch pictures just look up that on YouTube you'll find a lot of clips and stuff like that and see what that's about um and.00:54:15.300 –> 00:54:32.700 Neal Hutcheson: If you let's see I don't know I've got a personal website Neil Hutchison.com, so you can see past projects and links to other things Oh, and also the language and languageinlife.org which is my work at nc state, which is a large part of what I've done over the last 30 years.00:54:33.420 –> 00:54:48.840 Joseph McElroy: cool well, thank you very much for being on my podcast has been very enjoyable having a conversation with you and very illuminating I really appreciate the work that you do, and you know documenting the culture of the mountains.00:54:50.010 –> 00:55:02.010 Joseph McElroy: You know I think there was a period of time that there was a unique culture is still there, but it is, it is disappearing somewhat so understanding and preserving and I think is great.00:55:03.330 –> 00:55:15.360 Joseph McElroy: I want to remind everybody this podcast is on the talkradio.NYC network with there are lots of fabulous podcasts for you to listen to me for a few commercials if you've listened to it, live.00:55:16.080 –> 00:55:25.710 Joseph McElroy: After this show is rediscovering New York on Tuesday nights from seven to eight or seven to eight.00:55:26.280 –> 00:55:35.760 Joseph McElroy: it's about visiting New York and there's a lot of inside stuff and unique culture of New York to explore as part of why I love being here when I when I'm not in the mountains.00:55:36.480 –> 00:55:43.800 Joseph McElroy: Is the uniqueness of culture in New York City and the multiple cultures that you can experience here, so this show is great to go visit you can.00:55:44.550 –> 00:55:51.510 Joseph McElroy: You can also watch this podcast on Facebook.com/gateway to the smokies podcast where.00:55:51.870 –> 00:55:57.720 Joseph McElroy: The live stream comes out with the zoom So you can see our faces, or you can go to the gatewaytothesmokies.fun.00:55:58.050 –> 00:56:09.630 Joseph McElroy: To see this podcast and other previous podcasts as well as the signing up for the newsletter be informed about events and future episodes and other things that we will do to00:56:10.050 –> 00:56:19.500 Joseph McElroy: illustrate and celebrate the culture of the smoky mountains and for things to do there and enjoy yourself that he much I'll see you next week when we have.00:56:20.430 –> 00:56:34.650 Joseph McElroy: For our show will be Wayne Ebinger, who is a well-known photographer in the smoky mountains and it has experienced a lot and we'll talk about the beauty of the smoky mountains talk to you soon.

Today's guest is Wendy Meyers, a renowned historian, and researcher, described as "the best of the Smoky Mountain history detectives --bar none" by historian and author, Bob Plott. Wendy has worked for over 20 years in the pharmaceutical industry, where she works as a regulatory writer in drug development. In her spare time, she enjoys hiking, cycling, and historical research. Since 2013, she has maintained a blog, “Reflections of Olde Swain”, that seeks to preserve the history of Swain County.Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.Show NotesSegment 1Joseph starts off today's episode by letting us know that we will be cycling through the Smoky Mountains' past as well as literally talking about cycling through the Smoky Mountains. He then introduces guest and renowned historian Wendy Meyers. Wendy talks about her journey to becoming both a historian and regulatory writer in drug development.Segment 2Joseph asks Wendy what her favorite stories or work she is proudest of that is on her blog. She dives into some of her favorite work she has gotten the chance to do, including research on victims of murders and discovering the history of specific graves. She then goes into talking about her favorite places to hike in the Smoky Mountains area and gives examples of how they hold historical significance. Wendy also talks about the type of wildlife she generally sees while hiking in this area.Segment 3Wendy talks about what makes her favorite hiking spots special to her. Joseph then asks Wendy for recommendations for people who want to visit the area. As far as hikes, she recommends trails where one can see waterfalls, beautiful views, and even some wildlife. She recommends hikes that are short, hikes that are more challenging, and some overnight hikes. Wendy then goes on to talk about what trails she recommends for cycling through the Smoky Mountain area.Segment 4Joseph asks Wendy to give some advice to someone if they were to hypothetically only have one day in Bryson City. She recommends a breakfast place, a hike, a lunch place, a mountain farm, dinner, and even a historical place to sleep. Wendy then ends the podcast by giving out some ways to follow her work.

Today's guest is Janet McCue, she enjoyed a great career as former Director of the Mann Library at Cornell University while earning a stellar reputation as an award-winning independent writer and researcher. She is an avid hiker and naturalist who often visits and writes about the Great Smokies.She has collaborated with renowned local naturalist, George Ellison on several literary projects -most notably, “Back Of Beyond --A Horace Kephart Biography,” a winner of the prestigious Thomas Wolfe Literary Award. The book has received rave reviews across the United States. She is currently working on a documentary film on another interesting artist of the Smokies, George Masa.‍Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.Show NotesSegment 1Joseph starts today's episode by introducing today's topic, the role of photography in the creation of the national park. He just got back from the Smokies and was excited by the bewilderment his family found in the mountains. He discusses the coming group of cicadas that only come out every 13-17 years, and are present in huge numbers. He discusses a man helping to discover butterflies in the mountains, and a funny quote from him. On Friday, May 21, he is speaking to educate the public on butterflies. He introduces the annual speaker series coming up and talks about the wildflower season in the mountains. He talks about a website that does daily haiku's, which had a very fitting one for this conversation as it related to wildflowers. Joseph introduces today's guest, Janet McCue, and her expansive career. Even though she lives in New York, Janet has contributed much to the mountains, working on projects relating to some of its founders, Horace Kephart and George Masa. Janet discusses some of her accomplishments working at Cornell University as a librarian, comparing her job to that of Horace Kephart's. She talks about creating a flexible library that blended digital and print in a space made in the 1930's. Joseph actually has works in the library Janet worked in and the two share a laugh about this. Joseph highlights two of Janet's big accomplishments from her time at the library.Segment 2Coming back from the break, Janet and Joseph joke about sharing a drink at the Cornell club, and Joseph akss how Janet got into writing her book about Horace Kephart. While she may not have had many connections to Horace or his life, Janet's husband owned a book by him, and the bigger draw to his stories for Janet was the affinity she found for the mountains after backpacking in the Smokies. After learning that Horace had been a librarian, she wrote a paper about him, doing a lot of research about him and becoming even more interested in his life. Both Janet and Horace's careers actually began at Cornell. After having kids and a busy career in which she put Horace on the backburner, Janet realized that doing something with her Kephart research was on her bucket list. She applied for a research leave, travelling collections in different libraries and meeting people with ties to his life. This led to a collaboration with another writer in which she helped to write an introduction which ended up turning into her biography of Horace. She discusses memories she has of falling in love with the Smokies when she was young. The two share stories of food and hiking spots in the mountains.Segment 3Next Janet discusses the motivation for publishing the book with the Great Smoky Mountains Associations, wanting to make sure that the profits from the book were given back to the park, something that reflected Kephart's own life as he gave a lot to the park. Joseph talks about his own experience with the GSMA, also wanting to support the park. The two move on to George Masa, another interesting artist of the Smokies. Janet looks at the photos of Masa and the words of Kephart together as good partners in helping the nation get to know the Smokies. Their art helped to reach the nation and inform it of why the park needed protection. She reads a quote from Kephart detailing the uniqueness and exceptionality of Masa's photography. Joseph discusses Rockefeller contributing to the park as a result of Masa's photos and Janet talks about this as well as his Masa's photos being sent to other important figures of that time. Masa came to the US from Japan, never becoming a citizen, and even though there is much documentation of his life in the US, there is little known of his early life. Janet discusses documentaries on Masa as well as some of his work in the early development of Asheville.Segment 4Moving into the last segment of the day, Joseph introduces an anecdote about Masa's burial. He died during the depression and was unable to afford to be buried next to Kephart, which was his wish. Neither were buried in the Smokies though. Horace was buried in Bryson City, but has a tombstone in Ithaca as his wife was buried there. Although he may have died poor, many cared for Masa, getting money together to erect a tombstone in his honor. Janet talks about her upcoming book, and the difficulty she has found doing research on his early life as Japan is having a resurgence in COVID-19 cases. Janet talks about other things going on in her life, such as being a grandparent with another grandchild on the way. She moves on to talk about dedications for her book on Kephart and people who helped her with different parts of the book. On top of having many people who helped her with her book on Kephart, she has similar stories for her upcoming book on Masa. Joseph ends tonight's episode by sharing resources of his where he can be reached and where he has materials related to the podcast as well as a preview of next week's episode's guest.

“Early 20th century hikers in the Great Smokies were likely to encounter a small Japanese man on the trail. He was 5 feet 2 inches tall and weighed a little more than 100 pounds. He might have been burdened with a pack containing a heavy camera, tripod, and accompanying equipment. Or he might be pushing the front wheel of a bicycle connected to handlebars with an odometer attached, a cyclometer, that he used to measure trail mileages. Any conversation with this diminutive man would have entailed responses in broken English. And as likely as not, he would have been accompanied by men and women, his friends, who frequently hiked with him. Years later this same man received a letter written April 20, 1932, from the associate director of the National Park Service, Arno Cammerer, that stated in part, ‘You surely are the Great Smoky Mountains patriot…’”That's a short excerpt from Bill Hart's article about the enigmatic photographer who was born in Japan but came to America and gave his heart to the Great Smoky Mountains region. His name was George Masa, and Hart's article appeared along with a selection of Masa's photographs in one of our ‘missing issues’ of Smokies Life, Volume 2, #2. These missing issues are no longer in print but are available to view online at SmokiesInformation.org/MissingIssues. Our guests Janet McCue and Paul Bonesteel are in the process of co-authoring a biography of George Masa. McCue is an independent writer and researcher, co-author of Back of Beyond: A Horace Kephart Biography, and collaborator on many Kephart projects. She is the former director of Mann Library at Cornell University.Paul Bonesteel is a filmmaker, director, and founder of Bonesteel Films, a production company based in Asheville, NC. His documentary film The Mystery of George Masa (available on Vimeo with promo code "Masa") explores the compelling story of the immigrant who came to the mountains of Western North Carolina, gained employment at the grand Grove Park Inn, connected with many of Asheville's most influential residents, and found his passion in photography and hiking with his friends in the Carolina Mountain Club. We spoke with McCue and Bonesteel on an online video chat while they were in their respective states of New York and North Carolina.A digitized collection of George Masa’s photographs can be found online in the virtual "North Carolina Room" of Buncombe County Library's website.

Doreyl Ammons Cain, co-founder of the Appalachian Mural Trail, explains how honoring the rich mountain heritage through the arts is the core essence of the Appalachian Mural Trail’s vision and how storytelling is a vivid part of Appalachian culture, folk tales, Cherokee legends, mountain music & the beauty of nature. There are over 75 murals online at muraltrail.com and you can find directions for where to go and how to view these magnificent murals in the communities and towns of the Appalachians.

The Appalachians are among America's most ecologically diverse areas.  Great Smoky Mountains National Park is one of the best places to experience them.

In this week's episode of the Local Hearted Podcast, I talk with Asheville photographer Tim Barnwell.  When I decided to do a show with Asheville and Western North Carolina artists and people who have services for local artists, I thought of Tim, because he is qualified on both counts.  He is a fine art photographer, and you may know him through one or more of his books.  Three of them showcase portraits and other photographs that document the Appalachian heritage of farming and traditional crafts and music.  Tim's other two books provide mountain peak idenfication of the views from the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Great Smokies, helping us to orient ourselves in relation to the mountains and to area attractions. And for artists, Tim provides high-quality photographs of their work, which the artists then use for submissions, publications, and reproductions. Not discussed in the interview but I wanted to mention here is that several times a year, Tim conducts workshops of benefit to artists.  They are "Making Better Images with your Digital Camera" and "Basic Photo Management."  I have taken both classes, heartily recommend them, and will make announcements when he runs them. In this interview, you will hear Tim talk about how he spent 25 years working on his book The Face of Appalachia.  I feel he has done a tremendous service dedicating himself to preserving a slice of time, a way of life that is rapidly becoming history with all the changes our area has seen in recent years.  Tim's books give us a look at what life was like for people whose families have lived here for many generations. To connect with Tim and see more of his work: SCROLL DOWN this page! visit his website at http://www.barnwellphoto.com I want to direct you to his events page here:  http://www.barnwellphoto.com/book-signings-talks-and-shows and his workshop page here: http://www.barnwellphoto.com/workshops wonderful examples of his commercial work for local artists here:  http://www.barnwellphoto.com/crafts and his Facebook page Links mentioned during the show: Lens Work magazine-Tim talked about how photographers can submit six of their pieces to be displayed as a small body of work in this publication.  I am actually linking to the Sept-Oct 2016 Issue, because Tim's work is on the cover. George Tice, one of Tim's mentors Norton Books, publisher of his first three books Please note, there is NO link for "Mountain Living" magazine (Tim mentions that his book The Face of Appalachia started as an article for this publication).  The magazine no longer exists.  If you do a search, you will find a publication with the name "Mountain Living," but it is NOT the one mentioned during this interview! Highlights of this interview include: discussion of the methods Tim used to create his fine art black and white photography books as well as his motivation and inspirations for these and his vista books The Face of Appalachia--25 years in the making! the documentary book Tim is working on presently, and why he broke with his own tradition of using black and white photos for this one Tim discusses what makes a photograph a work of art and how few photographs actually qualify over the course of a photographer's lifetime Tim's ideas on why an artist should have great professional photos taken of their own work how this photographer goes out of his way to help his artist clients Other examples of Tim's Barnwell's work:       Save Save Save Save Save Save Save

On June 7 at noon, Douglas Brinkley delivered a Banner Lecture entitled “Rightful Heritage: Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Land of America.” In Rightful Heritage, acclaimed historian Douglas Brinkley chronicles Franklin D. Roosevelt’s essential yet under-sung legacy as the founder of the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) and premier protector of America’s public lands. FDR built from scratch dozens of State Park systems and scenic roadways. Pristine landscapes such as the Great Smokies, the Everglades, Joshua Tree, the Olympics, Big Bend, Channel Islands, Mammoth Cave, and the slickrock wilderness of Utah were forever saved by his leadership. Brinkley traces FDR’s love for the natural world from his youth exploring the Hudson River Valley and bird watching. As America’s president from 1933 to 1945, Roosevelt—consummate political strategist—established hundreds of federal migratory bird refuges and spearheaded the modern endangered species movement. Rightful Heritage is an epic chronicle that is both an irresistible portrait of FDR’s unrivaled passion and drive, and an indispensable analysis that skillfully illuminates the tension between business and nature—exploiting our natural resources and conserving them. Rightful Heritage is essential reading for everyone seeking to preserve our treasured landscapes as an American birthright. Douglas Brinkley is a professor of history at Rice University, bestselling and award-winning author, and presidential historian for CNN. He serves as a contributing editor for Vanity Fair and is a frequent contributor to The New York Times, Foreign Affairs, The New Yorker, and The Atlantic Monthly. He is the author of numerous books—many of which have been bestsellers and New York Times Notable Books of the Year—including The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast (2006), The Wilderness Warrior: Theodore Roosevelt and the Crusade for America (2009), The Quiet World: Saving Alaska’s Wilderness Kingdom, 1879–1960 (2011), Cronkite (2012), and his newest bestselling book, Rightful Heritage: Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Land of America (2016).

Jokes You Can Use: “Doctor, will I be able to read with these new glasses?” “Of course, perfectly. Why?” “Because, I couldn’t read before”. When I got a bill for an operation, I found out why they wear masks. On Our Mind: Eileen Award: Gr8t Lakes Teacher: Thanks for the feedback on iTunes! Advisory: Book Spine Poetry Stack books up so that the Titles on the spine form a poem. http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/tag/book-spine-poetry/ Odd Advertisements NSFW: Prescreening required http://oddstuffmagazine.com/funniest-advertisements-ever.html 11 “Modern Antiques” Today’s Kids Have Probably Never Seen http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/122762 Middle School Science Minute by Dave Bydlowski (k12science or davidbydlowski@mac.com) The National Science Teachers Association has recently announced its Outstanding Science Trade Books for Students K-12. In this podcast we look at three of the books which are very appropriate for students in grades 6 - 8. They are: Friends: True Stories of Extraordinary Animal Friendships by Catherine Thimmesh Michael Vey: The Prisoner of Cell 25 by Richard Paul Evans Bug Shots: The Good, the Bad, and the Bugly by Alexandra Siy From the Twitterverse: News: Student “Learning Styles” Theory Is Bunk (Daniel Willingham) http://larrycuban.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/student-learning-styles-theory-is-bunk-daniel-willingham/ The Pineapple Story Tests Us: Have Test Publishers become Unquestionable Authorities? http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/living-in-dialogue/2012/04/the_pineapple_story_questions.html http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/04/20/151044647/the-pineapple-and-the-hare-can-you-answer-two-bizarre-state-exam-questions?sc=tw Professional Development Sweating my way through a workout the other day, I stumbled across an article titledGetting Principals to Think Like Managers in the Bloomberg Businessweek magazine. Considering that nearly every expert on the 21st Century principalship would argue that leading schools is about WAY more than "managing," the title caught my eye. http://transformed.teachingquality.org/blogs/tempered-radical/04-2012/will-75000-really-change-your-principals-leadership-skills Earth's quietest place http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2124581/The-worlds-quietest-place-chamber-Orfield-Laboratories.html Resources: Block Print Create any size poster from any size picture. http://www.blockposters.com/ iSLCollective Free, printable ESL worksheets by teachers for teachers. Allows a variety of criteria: Level, Student Type, Grammar Focus, Vocabulary Focus, Skill, Material Type, Solution. http://en.islcollective.com/ WorkFlowy Easy ToDo list manager. https://workflowy.com/ National Parks Tour Provides a virtual tour of various parks: Grand Canyon, Great Smokies, YellowStone. http://naturevalleytrailview.com/ Positive Thoughts You might recall a charming antidote: Everything Is Going to Be OK, the lovely pocket-sized anthology of positive artwork. Now, it’s available as equally lovely 20 different note cards, featuring artists like Gemma Correll,Jessica Swift, Danna Ray, and Amy Borrell. http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/04/19/everything-is-going-to-be-ok-cards/ KiKuText Kikutext is all about parent engagement. We truly believe that an increase in parent engagement will mean an increase in student achievement. Every part of our application is designed to help you easily and quickly communicate with parents more regularly. Parents can sign up for text messages. Teachers get a proxy phone number - no need to give out your personal cell phone number. http://kikutext.com/ Web Spotlight: 5 Historical Misconceptions Warning: Lady Godiva and bare bottom is included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sYzfKiIWN4g Strategies: Events & Happenings: Calendar of Events:

show notes - http://thebit.tv/episode50 twitter - http://www.twitter.com/thebittv website - http://www.thebit.tv facebook - http://link.thebit.tv/thebittv Show Notes: It's our half-century episode! Which means we've been doing this for a full year, and change. Very exciting. 1. New iPad: So, as anticipated, the March 7th Apple event was all about the latest generation of the iPad, not aptly named the 'iPad 3'. It's a bit faster and has a retina display, but, generally speaking, it's quite similar...albeit still as beautiful as ever. 2. iOS 5.1: In addition to launching the new iPad, Apple has brought us an updated version of iOS. So, jump up and down with glee and download the software update. 3. Live Streaming of the Olympics: Gone are the days of misisng some of your favorite events at this global extravaganza. NBC has partnered with YouTube in a live streaming effort - starting July 27th! Twitter: @London2012, YouTube, @nbc 4. Scoot Networks: If you like the concept of the ZipCar, you'll love this service specifically for scooters. And, the good news? Since they only go 30mph, you don't even need a special motorcycle license. Twitter: @ScootNetworks 5. Nature Valley Trail View: Combine Nature Valley, of the granola scene, with a bunch of hikers plus a tripod + camera + the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, and the Great Smokies, and you get the 'trail view' version of some of America's greatest natural wonders. Twitter: @Nature_Valley 6. Tweet a Beer: Yep, it's just what it sounds like. You can buy someone else a beer via your Twitter account. Quelle service! Twitter: @tweet_a_beer Happy geeking! G + Kyra