Podcast appearances and mentions of maggie valley

This is it. It's time. Test your might!Howdy y'all! We're tickled pink to bring you another episode of our annual Spring tradition... Southeast Mortal Kombat Nationals! Pull up a rocking chair and gather around as we regale you with tales of our experiences at the recent Southeast Mini Truckin Nationals  in #maggievalley right on the edge of the #gsmnp !Join the boys from the hollers as we discuss our time in Maggie Valley - from the trucks and the cruising, the special debuts (including the two super secret debuts we were entrusted enough to keep a secret for months!), the food (in Waynesville lol), the comradery and fellowship, the beautiful lack of cry babies and drama queens, and the cuck room!This is one of our favorite 3 episodes of the year - we hope y'all enjoy it as well!PLUS - we name our favorite trucks from each of the last FOUR decades!Thanks to Jason and the staff at SEMTN for treating us like we actually matter - even though we know better! - and for the 8.5 of y'all who support what we do. This was a record year for us, thanks 100% to y'all!Episode drops Thursday at 7. Don't miss out. Listen to the end!!!!-=-=-=-Find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever else you do your podcast tradin'!For more old parking lot stories told by slightly offensive #hillbillies, check out the #LCDPodcast for all things #minitruckin and #appalachia .(Thanks to Dizzy Designs Media and More for the cover art assistance this year!)

*** Ep. 97: "Maggie Valley... Just the Tip!" Drops at noon tomorrow! ***Wow, we were surely on a roll!Episodes every two weeks - and we even got our 8.5 listeners all the way back!!So... what do we do?We disappear for a month and a half, in true LCD fashion!Welp - y'all go right around and pull up a chair, and listen as we jump right into a PRE-pre-preview episode of the Maggie Valley Minitruckin' Nationals!We talk all sorts of fun stuff on this episode. Broken compressors, caribou KitKats, blowing motors, abandoning Shay, new Maggie Valley/LCD shirts and stickers for this year ... and we even phone a friend about IDI Diesels!If you have 2 hours and change to burn, join right in and sit a spell! We'd love to have ye!(NOTE: This isn't the OFFICIAL preview episode... BUT... we wanted to talk Highway 19 just a bit in case we can't get back together to do a recording justice!)

Christmas in Maggie Valley is a fictional short story that brings Genesis 3:15 to life.

Join renowned Bigfoot researcher Tom Sheehan as he takes us on a spine-chilling journey through his most captivating encounters and expeditions across the northeastern United States. From the mysterious American Legion State Forest in Connecticut to the infamous Devil's Hopyard and beyond, Tom shares his gripping firsthand accounts. This episode also delves into significant events like a Bigfoot confrontation during a meteor shower in Maggie Valley and the haunting aftermath of Hurricane Helene in North Carolina, revealing the human toll and ongoing community recovery.Resources:Bigfoot in New York Monsterquest Episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws0WEXh02VkGranville Reservoir Bigfoot Society episode mentioned - https://youtu.be/CGxqWIwc7IYTom's Bigfoot Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@BlueRidgeBigfootContact Tom via email - blueridgebigfoot@mail.comMarlborough Monkey documentary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex8mcyCvT6AContribute to Helene Relief - https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/helene-reliefSteve Kulls and Squatch Detective discuss Mt. St. Helens Bigfoot - https://youtu.be/iY8JH7EnPf4?feature=sharedHarley Owens Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@HarleyTheBigfootResearcherNortheastern Exped Youtube channel - https://youtu.be/iY8JH7EnPf4?feature=shared

Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series podcast! We are thrilled to bring you another exciting episode recorded at the Outdoor Writers Association of America's annual conference in El Paso. Today, Beau Beasley joins us. Beau is a retired firefighter from Fairfax County, VA, whose fascinating journey led him to become a passionate fly fisherman and author. In this episode, Beau shares his intriguing story of how a chance encounter introduced him to fly fishing, his commitment to helping veterans through the sport's therapeutic benefits, and his leadership role in the Virginia Fly Fishing and Wine Festival. We'll delve into Beau's new book, "Healing Waters: Veteran Stories of Recovery in Their Own Words," and explore connections he's made at the OWAA conference. DISCUSSIONFly Fishing Insights — [00:03:14 → 00:03:23]Healing Waters: Veterans' Stories of Recovery in Their Own Words — [00:04:19 → 00:04:30]Fly Fishing as Therapy — [00:06:35 → 00:06:42]The Healing Power of Nature: "Healing Waters takes veterans interested in fly fishing, puts them in beautiful places, and teaches them how to fly fish, and they just reconnect with other people. — [00:07:40 → 00:08:10]"The Virginia Fly Fishing and Wine Festival" — [00:08:36 → 00:08:44]"Fly Fishing Reality Check" — [00:10:13 → 00:10:17]"Debunking the Fly Fishing Elitism Myth" — [00:11:20 → 00:11:28]"Women Empowerment through Fly Fishing" — [00:12:32 → 00:12:39]Get Outdoors and Get Involved — [00:13:28 → 00:13:33]LEARN MORETo learn more about Beau, his work, and the upcoming 2025 Virginia Fly Fishing & Wine Festival, visit his website at https://beaubeasley.com.HURRICANE HELENE RECOVERYPlease consider donating to the Maggie Valley Fly Shop in Maggie Valley, NC, to support the recovery of communities affected by Hurricane Helene. NEXT STEPSIf you enjoy podcasts devoted to outdoor adventure, find us online at https://outdooradventureseries.com. We welcome likes, comments, and shares.KEYWORDSBeau Beasley, Project Healing Waters, Veterans, Fly Fishing Therapy, Outdoor Recreation, Wine Tasting, Howard Fox, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, OWAA#BeauBeasley #ProjectHealingWaters #Veterans #FlyFishingTherapy #OutdoorRecreation #WineTasting #OutdoorAdventure #HowardFox #OutdoorAdventureSeries #PodcastInterview #OWAA2024My Favorite Podcast Tools: Production by Descript Hosting Buzzsprout Show Notes by Castmagic Website powered by Podpage Be a Podcast Guest by PodMatch

Summary: In this urgent episode of 'Mending on the Fly,' host Devin interviews Caleb Sneed, chief creative officer at Rambler Angler & Blade, about the catastrophic aftermath of Hurricane Helene. Caleb provides a firsthand account of the storm's impact on Spartanburg, SC, and surrounding areas, detailing the widespread destruction and ongoing recovery efforts. The conversation highlights the crucial role of local organizations, churches, and fly shops in providing relief and the fly fishing community's collaborative response to this natural disaster.Show Notes:Introduction to Hurricane Helene's devastating impact (00:00) One of the deadliest hurricanes in modern U.S. historyAt least 213 fatalities across six statesCaleb Sneed's personal experience of the storm (01:07) Impact on Spartanburg, SCDisruptions to emergency services and infrastructureImmediate aftermath and community response (04:01) Search and rescue effortsChallenges in communication and basic necessitiesRambler Angler & Blade's post-storm situation (06:24) Damage to facilitiesEmployee impact and recovery effortsRole of local organizations in relief efforts (09:47) Churches as distribution centersFly shops becoming community hubsWarning about potential scams and frauds (17:36) FEMA's caution against impostersTips for safe donation and assistanceReputable organizations mobilizing for help (19:54) GoFundMe campaignsLocal church initiativesImpact on local ecosystems and fishing spots (23:47) Changes to river paths and landscapesPotential long-term effects on fish habitatsRambler's role in recovery and community support (30:43) Product donations for fundraisingFuture plans for community involvementImmediate needs and long-term support (36:22) Critical supplies needed (water, food, clothing)Potential long-term displacement of residentsKey Takeaways:Hurricane Helene's unprecedented impact on the SoutheastThe vital role of community organizations in disaster responseHow the fly fishing community is rallying to support affected areasThe importance of verified donation channels and avoiding scamsLong-term implications for local ecosystems and fishing spotsSupport verified relief efforts and stay informed about ongoing recovery needs in the affected areas. Visit our website for links to reputable organizations and updates on how you can help.#HurricaneHelene #DisasterRelief #FlyfishingCommunity #SpartanburgSC #CommunityResilience #RamblerAnglerBlade #flyfishing #flytying #mendingonthefly #oldlineangling

Moonshiners Helping In Maggie Valley | Can't Miss Moments https://www.audacy.com/989word The Charlie James Show Listen on Spotify : https://spoti.fi/3MXOvGP Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-charlie-james-show-podcast/id1547262821 Follow us on Social Media Join our Live Stream Weekdays - 3pm to 7pm Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/989word Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-2031096 X: https://twitter.com/989word Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/989word/ "Red Meat, Greenville." 10/07/24

Regardless of how taxing my dilemmas are, I can always refocus when I view the mountains up close and in person. Every motel in Maggie Valley, North Carolina, USA, has riverfront rooms, since a river runs parallel to the main street. The … Read more

In this episode, we sit down with several guests from the Maggie Valley Fly Fishing and Outdoor Festival. We kick the episode off with the family of Scottie Finanger the lead creator at Wild Fly Productions. His dad Dan and uncle Scott discuss with us the joy of watching someone you love succeed. See more from Wild Fly and the film with uncle Scott: https://youtu.be/3WhBqt8iopc?si=gwgrkFIc-07BOn0o Then we have multiple short interviews with the following: Preston Jacobsen of Haywood Waterways Association: https://www.haywoodwaterways.org/ Will Mossbrook from Blue Ridge Flies: https://blueridgeflies.com/ Glen Murray of Saluda Beads: https://saludabeads.com/ Shannon Young of Maggie Valley Fly Shop: https://www.maggievalleyflyshop.com/ Beau Beasley with his new book "Healing Waters:" https://beaubeasley.com/books/ We want to give a big thank you to all of these guests and to everyone who came out and made the Maggie Valley Fly Fishing and Outdoor Festival such a success. It was great meeting everyone who stopped by our booth. You're the reason we keep doing this podcast. Also a special thanks to James Simmons (Caleb's son) and family friend Marleigh Littrell for their special appearance. Find Dads On The Fly online and sign up for our newsletter at https://www.dadsonthefly.com/ Support Dads On the Fly on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=84380068 Check out our sponsors: https://troutinsights.com/ https://catchcamnets.com/ https://turtleboxaudio.com/  --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dadsonthefly/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dadsonthefly/support

The report from the North Carolina trip - The Blue Ridge Mountains - How to crash. The Wheels through time museum, the barn find of the century. Steve's Cycle Shop.  Getting ready for the DGR. Support the Show.Remember folks...Ride Fast and Take Chances! check out our Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/c/ClevelandMoto

Howdy y'all! Welcome to one of the most... anticipated?... episodes of each and every year... SOUTHEAST MORTAL KOMBAT NATIONALS IV! Join Shay, Farva and LMC as we discuss our recent trip to Maggie Valley for the 30th Annual Minitruck Nationals - and as usual, we talk mostly about cruising and food! Ride along as we discuss tiny toilets and plunging rooflines, our favorite trucks and moments of the weekend, an impromptu tattoo session, the benefits of child labor - AKA LCD Kid - and wrap up with our goals for the season in 2024! Thank all eight and a half of y'all for continuing to join us on this journey. Each and every one of you all make it worth it! Yes, this episode was supposed to go up Friday. Our apologies - we ran into some.. umm... editing issues. (Upon further review with our internal moral police, we might have had to remove 20 minutes or so. Oops. Sometimes it's bad, even for us.)

This was my first year being able to attend the Mini Truck Nats in Maggie Valley and it didn't disappoint

In this episode, we sat down with Jim Owens (Town of Maggie Valley), Michelle Harris (Haywood Community College), and Sarah Worrell (Cataloochee Ski Area) to talk all things NC Smokies Ice Fest Weekend. Taking place January 26-28th, the NC Smokies Ice Festival is a weekend-long event across Haywood County that aims to pack all the joys of winter into 3 full days of fun. From ice skating to ice carving, this weekend-long event is guaranteed to make your heart melt – in the best way possible! To learn more and see a full schedule of events, check out: NCSmokiesIceFest.com

Dedicated Episode Page: https://tro.bike/?p=32985Music by Otis McDonald (https://otismacmusic.com/)Brian hasn't even started One Man Caravan. What's taking him so long? Meanwhile, Robin is re-blazing toaster oven tacos with a heat gun.Once things get rolling, we compare results for our "Mount Airy to Maggie Valley" route challenge. Not a problem is, Brian's already perfected it (and Robin's got nothin' to add). This is going to be a great ride!Any tour of this level will see obscure hazards, though. Dogs are just par for the course. Imagine passing a brand new toilet, weaponized particle board and an abandoned lawn mower!

Dedicated Episode Page: https://tro.bike/?p=32981Music by Otis McDonald (https://otismacmusic.com/)Place Brian's bike on its side stand and a little man with a hammer will bang on the walls. It's called Cam Walk and it's harmless. The sound, however is right out of a mechanic's nightmare.Knocking that out, we consider all roads between Mount Airy and Maggie Valley, North Carolina. Hypnotic meditation and a droning mantra about all things north, south, east and west leads to friendly competition. Results next episode!A look at cold and even hazardous weather riding follows. Call around and layer up, folks. Sometimes the mountains of Colorado, peppered slush of urban Chicago or ... sunny Texas is the cure for what ails us.

TOPICS: We are planning to restart the podcast and kick it off with a cross-post from Jon and Dave's new podcast called Asphalt Chasers. Recorded October 7, 2023 in MagGie Valley, NC. Be sure to check out Jon and Dave on Asphalt Chasers (https://www.asphaltchasers.com) More episodes of Loud Pipes are in planning for the next year as we attempt to restart the podcast

We share Neale Bayly's story of meeting the great Dale Walksler of the Wheels Through Time Museum in Maggie Valley, NC, and restoring a 1924 JD Harley-Davidson together. for Neal's story with photos, click here: What Once Was Lost Please like, subscribe, share, and leave a comment!

 In this episode, I will delve into the current real estate investment trends in Asheville, NC (and surrounding areas of Western NC such as Waynesville, Brevard, Maggie Valley, Leicester, Black Mountain, and Hendersonville) exploring the factors that make western North Carolina an attractive market and the opportunities it presents for savvy investors. Whether you're looking to relocate, invest, or find your dream home, Asheville and Western NC offers a promising real estate market with a bright future ahead.  I love to connect so if you are considering buying or selling in Western NC or would just like to chat please give me a ring or use one of the links below to reach out.

In light of recent events at St. John Lateran in Rome where Anglicans were allowed to say Mass at the Pope's own church, we thought it was a good time to revisit the topic of Anglican Orders. This is a "mega episode" because it has two parts: Part 1: A conversation between Fr. Creighton, Fr. Wesley, Bp. Chandler Jones and Fr. Becket Soule. Part 2: A re-run of an old episode in which Bp. Chad discusses the validity of Anglican orders with Fr. Wesley and Fr. Myles. Bp. Chandler Jones is the Presiding Bishop of the Anglican Province of America and blogs at ⁠Philorthodox⁠.  Fr. Becket Soule has taught classical languages, law, and history at the Catholic University of America, the Dominican House of Studies (Washington, DC), the Pontifical College Josephinum (Columbus, OH), and Oxford University, and retired as Professor of Canon Law at St Paul University in Ottawa, Ontario.  He has been visiting lecturer and fellow at other institutions of higher studies in the United States, Great Britain, and the Ukraine, and has served as an official of the Congregation for the Eastern Churches in Rome, and as Judicial Vicar and Episcopal Vicar of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter in the United States and Canada; Becket has also served Anglican and Catholic parishes in Texas, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and England.  He is now pastor of St Margaret of Scotland Catholic Church in Maggie Valley, NC. Be sure to check out the video of his presentation to the Ecclesiastical Law Society "The Recognition of Orders by the Roman Catholic Church". Send us your feedback and questions to thesacramentalists@gmail.com or reach out to us on Twitter @sacramentalists. Be sure to join our Communion of Patreon Saints for only $5 a month.

Howdy y'all! It's that time again! We like to welcome in new listeners (to replace the ones we lost) every year right after the Mini Nats in Maggie Valley with our 3rd Annual review episode... Southeast Mortal Kombat Nationals! So what do we do to retain these new listeners, and to ensure that they find valuable content within the confined of Lowest Common Denominator? Do we interview famous, special guests? Do we analyze the newest debuts, and debate on which clubs showed the hardest? Do we give our hot takes on the scene over the weekend? Nah. We read several definitions off of the Urban Dictionary, discuss old western movies, and talk about Dan Harvey's moustache. Enjoy!

James and Haley are joined by their friends Dan and Lauren Arant. Both couples are at a getaway in Maggie Valley,  North Carolina to celebrate 10 years of marriage. The ups, the downs, and the all arounds of navigating their first decade of Marriage. Subscribe to our YouTube Channel (It's 100% Free) More from James & Haley:Chef James K Jones WebsiteCooking with Chef James K Jones (YouTube Channel)Team Jones Camps Chef James K Jones InstagramTeam Jones Media Team Jones CoachingStraight Outta Prison InstagramThe Straight Outta Prison PodcastCooking Guides & Team Jones StoreCookbook by James K JonesHurst Towing and Recovery -Lynn & Debbie Hurst205-631-8697 (205-631-TOWS)https://hursttowing.com/Home & Commercial ServicesCall or text 205-798-0635email office@hollandhcs.comInstagram Home & Commercial ServicesCrossfit Mephobia - Hayden SetserCrossFitmephobiainfo@gmail.com256-303-1873https://www.instagram.com/crossfitmephobia/Dana Belcher - RE/MAX Advantage NorthWebsite: theiconagents.comemail: danabelcheragent@gmail.comCall or text 205-910-3358Mephobia Beauty Bar                                                                                                                                  Phone: 205-645-7050   email: themephobiabeautybar@gmail.com Support the show

*** EP. 72: "LCD Talks About... Maggie Valley Mini Nats PREVIEW!" is now online! *** Howdy y'all! In the likey last episode before the Southeast Minitruck Nationals, join LMC and Shay (now with 100% more Farva!) as they discuss the plans for the next couple weeks! We talk new LCD merchandise - much of which helps animals! -, maggie valley restaurants, horrible energy drinks, truck debuts (including pictures of LMC's Xtreme that were delivered in real time during the recording), plus we recap Farva's wedding - AND call random minitruckers for no apparent reason! Enjoy a super long, 3+ hour episode that is literally a perfect example of three minitruckers sitting around a parking lot, BS'ing on their tailgates. COME SEE US ON THE ROAD AT: April 15th - Cruisin' Down on the Farm - Junction City, TN April 20-23 Southeast Minitruck Nationals - Maggie Valley, NC -=-=- Find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever else you do your podcast tradin'! For more old parking lot stories told by slightly offensive #hillbillies, check out the #lcdpodcast for all things #minitruckin and #appalachia. Straight from the hills and hollers of Eastern Kentucky, listen and find out why we are YOUR #voiceofthelowlife !

Crystal meets her first love while confronting an alleged predator and starts fresh in the mountain community of Maggie Valley, North Carolina.

In this episode, Joshua and Caleb sit with Mr. Jerry Yates of Stream Team Anglers. Jerry is a professional fly fishing guide, certified casting instructor, and Frog's Fanny Fly Treatment inventor. Jerry has an incredible story that we barely scratch the surface of. This is from our LIVE recording night on March 16th at Maggie Valley Fly Shop in Maggie Valley, NC. Thank you to Shannon and the team at MVFS for a great event. In this episode, we discuss: -Jerry's early days of fishing in Utah with his family -his first "guiding" experience at the age of eleven -Falling in love with Western NC -The story of Frog's Fanny Fly Treatment -the best ways to use Frog's Fanny Fly Treatment -How Jerry became a certified casting instructor -How to be a better fly caster -Why teaching fly fishing is so rewarding -and much more! Check out Jerry and Stream Team Anglers online: https://streamteamanglers.com/ Instagram: @frogs_fanny_on_flies Find Dads On The Fly online and sign up for our newsletter at https://www.dadsonthefly.com/ Support Dads On the Fly on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=84380068 Check out our sponsors:https://www.maggievalleyflyshop.com/https://troutinsights.com/https://catchcamnets.com/https://www.aflyco.com/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dadsonthefly/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dadsonthefly/support

Today, Nikita sits down with Bobby Rodgers and Shawn Porter. Listen as they share God ministry across the world.

In this episode, the twins run the gamut from MGM musicals to The Great Smoky Mountains, Jerry Lee Lewis to W. Kamau Bell, Sigmund Freud to Bob Dylan - and much more, including a musical gem from the archive. SHOW NOTES: 0:00 - "Tighter" by Doug McKelley - Performed by Chris Yale, 2009 2:40 - Greetings and about the song 3:41 - Hanging with Chris' cats, Stevie and Kevin 5:23 - Undercover Introvert 6:03 - Roger tries a new joke on Chris / The problem with "get it?" / Standup 7:53 - Chris' throat issues/ Sigmund Freud oral cancer / Freud and cocaine 9:44 - Trips to the Vagabond Theatre with Dad, Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles / MGM musicals / The Bijou Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard / C.C. Brown's / Swensen's / David Lee Bynum 11:30 - More MGM musicals / "That's Entertainment!" / Meeting Eleanor Powell / Powell's tap shoes at Capezio Hollywood 13:24 - The original Yale Brothers didn't "get" rock 'n' roll / dying onstage versus killing onstage 14:12 - Audio issues with remote recording / ZOOM Livetrak L-8 / DAW / Logic Pro / Presets on L-8 15:54 - Roger's trip to the mountains / Maggie Valley, NC / Elk in Cherokee, NC / Bryson City, NC / Great Smoky Mountains Railroad / Wrecked trains from "The Fugitive" / Dillsboro, NC 17:49 - Gatlinburg, TN aka Myrtle Beach in the Mountains / Pigeon Forge, TN (same thing) / Ripley's Aquarium / Hollywood Wax Museum 19:33 - More David Lee Bynum 20:03 - Show tunes 20:56 - Grandfather and grandfather-to-be ' Kids and colds 22:08 - "The Awkward Thoughts of W. Kamau Bell" / United Shades of America 23:07 - Jerry Lee Lewis documentary, "I Am What I Am" / Chris met him in Myrtle Beach 24:22 - Figuring out cousins 25:19 - More Jerry lee Lewis - "The Devil's Music" / Sun Records 27:17 - More about vacations / Spending money 28:08 - Chris' music gear and accessories 28:34 - Bob Dylan documentary, "No Direction Home" / Pete Seeger's long-neck banjo / Dave Van Ronk / Fred Neil / Oscar Brand (see Fred Berney podcast episode) / Degrees of Dylan separation 29:50 - Parting shots / Retail killed the Christmas spirit / Our souls / Love not sleep 31:39 - Roger checks on Chris' state of mind, and that annoys Chris / "That don't confront me."

In this episode, Joshua and Caleb talk with Shannon Young, owner of the Maggie Valley Fly Shop located in the heart of Maggie Valley, NC. They discuss: -Shannon's journey from bass fishing to trout on the fly -Opening a new fly shop -Falling in love with Western North Carolina -A deep dive into Euro Nymphing and how to get started -Opening a business with your wife and family -Choosing the right type of guides for fishing -Getting kids on the water and teaching them to fly fish Make sure to check out the Maggie Valley Fly Shop: -Website: https://www.maggievalleyflyshop.com/ -Instagram: @mvfs_2022 Reserve your spot for the first-ever Dads On The Fly Father/Son Retreat. April 28-30, 2023. Email us at thedads@dadsonthefly.com for more information and to reserve your spot. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/dadsonthefly/support

HE HIDES MY SOUL IN THE CLEFT OF THE ROCK Living With Victory Radio Podcast can now be heard on AMAZON MUSIC JOIN US We are Tony & Laureen Giorgio, your hosts of Living with Victory Radio Podcast. Laureen and I  believe in Living with Victory because, we live it every day (not alway easy but we remember who wrote the Book.:0) ) Our broadcasts are very transparent, as we tell you of our 55 years of marriage and  39 years of community service, and the various storms we and others faced; bankruptcy, breast cancer, losing homes, the list goes on. We share how our Jesus has brought us through every storm; and He did it while giving us PEACE, JOY & VICTORY IN THE MIDST OF EVERY STORM. We Know that JESUS IS YOUR UMBRELLA www.livingwithvictory.org   "He Hideth My Soul In The Cleft Of The Rock" written by Fanny Crosley 1890     Hosts Laureen and Tony Giorgio Show Notes Psalm 71:2-3 AMC I don't know what challenges you have had to face or are facing, just want you to know you don't have to face them alone. When feeling overwhelmed and lost, seeing no way out, remember Jesus loves you with an immeasurable love. He has provided a way out as the above scripture says “cause me to escape.” While we are going through the most horrific experience of our lives, He will hide us in the cleft of the rock, while holding us up and give peace and joy. The hymn “He Hideth My Soul” explains it so beautifully. He allows us to enjoy life even if the circumstances are currently “shadowing a dry thirsty land.” I find it interesting that the word shadow is used. A shadow isn't real. It looks like it will overcome us but if Jesus is our Rock and Fortress, what have we to fear. He has us securely hidden and He is covering us with His Hand. One of His precious promises is to provide rivers in the dessert. (Isaiah 43:19). As the hymn says “He hideth my soul in the cleft of the rock, where rivers of pleasure I see.” When I was diagnosed with breast cancer ten years ago fear crept in. I had to make a choice, give in to the fear or stand on my Rock, Jesus. I chose to trust my Lord with my life. I can truthfully say the scripture and the Hymn I am giving you is one of God's wonderful promises. When we run to Him, He hides us in His love.   Contact Laureen Giorgio, Author "Climbing Out Of Your Despair with God's Promises"and Columnist for Positively Haywood by Vicinitus free monthly magazine . Co-Host of a Christian Talk Show Living with Victory Radio Podcast on all Platforms. Premiering  November 6th  Sunday mornings  8:00am on WPTL 107.9FM & 920AM Canton, N.C.  Live Stream online. For more information: Email her at livingwithvictory@gmail.com   This Episode brought to you by: TEAGUE'S GROCERY AND CAFE' 130 Soco Rd. Maggie Valley, NC 28751 Delivery by GRUBHUB.     Starting  Sunday November 6th at 8:00am  we will also broad on WPTL Radio 101.7 FM/920 AM Canton N.C. 1K likes • 1.1K followers Click above to go to 101.7fm facebook page     Check out Laureen' s Book on Amazon/Kindle and other platforms. Scan for addition details.   Contact Laureen or Tony Giorgio livingwithvictory@gmail.com livingwithvictory.org PO Box 1982 Maggie Valley NC 28751 Donations can be made through PayPal Living With Victory Radio Podcast can now be heard on AMAZON MUSIC Living With Victory Ministries, Inc. is a 5o1(c)(3) Charity registered with the State of Florida.  A copy of the official registration and financial information may be obtained from the Divison of Consumer services by calling 1-800435-7352 www.Floridaconsumerhelp.com      

In this episode, the twins try their hands again at remote recording. Roger is excited that the iconic rock magazine, CREEM, is back again. Family, books, Elton and life lately - plus another gem from the archive. SHOW NOTES: 0:00 - "Early Train" by Chris Yale - Performed at The Central (now The Viper Room), Los Angeles 1989 4:06 - Greetings / About the song / Recording this podcast remotely 4:58 - CREEM Magazine is back / "Boy Howdy" / R. Crumb / Barry Kramer / J.J. Kramer / No Depression Magazine 6:39 - Lester Bangs / Greil Marcus / Dave Marsh 7:36 - "Have a Little Faith: The John Hiatt Story" by Michael Elliot / John Hiatt music and catalog / Roger "playing ahead" 9:51 - CREEM cover - new first issue 10:23 - Roger's writing / Drumming up work and blogging 10:46 - Chris meets his granddaugher, Naomi / Rog hanging with Katie, Bill, Miles and Naomi 11:28 - Elton John in Charlotte / Elton at Barclay's Center 2019 12:54 - "Main Street" by Sinclair Lewis / "Babbitt" / Provincial blowback 14:55 - Elbert Hubbard's Scrap Book / The Note Book of Elbert Hubbard / Grove Park Inn, Asheville 15:47 - Roger's upcoming vacation / Maggie Valley and more 16:40 - 2023 shows at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Roger solo gigs 17:46 - Kent Kimes / Weekly Surge 18:49 - "Dead Elvis" by Greil Marcus / Books we forgot / "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg" / "Conceptual Blockbusting" / "Economics Explained" / Michael Benner / KLOS 19:45 - Pascal badgering Joe Benson at KLOS / Acid / Ancient Age 20:45 - Parting shots / Chris' mother-in-law's birthday / More CREEM

Join us this week for the history of Ghost Town in the Sky in Maggie Valley, NC.  Is Ghost Town cursed or has it just been plagued by some bad luck?  A mudslide, an accidental shooting, and serious financial trouble have raved Ghost Town in the Sky.  Will it make a comeback or is it destined to be a real Ghost Town? Follow us on all the things!Facebook: Mountain Mysteries: Tales from AppalachiaInstagram: Mountainmysteries.appalachiaGmail: mountainmysteries.appalachian@gmail.comPatreon: Patreon.com/mountainmysteriesSupport the show

The crew took a trip to Wheels Through Time in Maggie Valley and hung out with Brain SC from The Upshift Podcast

Joseph Franklyn McElroy got a chance to interview our special guest this week, Jim Lauderdale. Jim won two Grammys, released 34 full-length albums, and took home the Americana Music Association's coveted Wagonmaster Award. But his forthcoming album Game Changer is convincing evidence that the North Carolina native is only continuing to hone his craft.Check out this episode to hear about how he's been making music, the strategies and techniques that help him stay inspired and focused on his craft, and what advice he'd have for other musicians in their own creative pursuits.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Also, we've got something special for all of you #music lovers, and it's a bit of a collaboration between Jim Lauderdale and friends. The #Songwriters Camp and Concert on August 12- 13,2022, will feature our own special guest Jim Lauderdale with Charles, Humphrey III, Darren Nicholson, Clay Mills, and Charles Chamberlain, who will be instructing on songwriting techniques and helping out with some live performances. This event is going to be jam-packed full fun, so be sure to check it out!https://meadowlarkmotel.com/event/songwriters-camp/#smokymountainsnationalpark #songwriter #northcarolina #maggievalley #podcast---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00: 27--00:00: 47 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Howdy. Welcome to the gateway to the Smokies podcast. This podcast is about America's most visited national park, the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. In the surrounding towns, this area is filled with ancient natural beauty, deep-storied history, and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes. 00:00: 48--00:01: 01 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  I am Joseph Franklin McElroy, a man of the World, but also with deep roots in these mountains. My family has lived in the Great Smokies for over 200 years. My business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01: 02--00:01: 27 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: First a few sponsor messages and some events coming up. I want you to imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past, yet modern and vibrant, with a chic Appalachian field. A place for adventure and for relaxation. Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain heritage, trout stream, grill to catch on fire and eat accompanied by fine wine or craft beers.00:01: 28--00:01: 39 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sounds. There is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, North Carolina. Your Smoky Mountain Adventure Starts with Where you Stay.00:01: 40--00:02: 07 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Another sponsor is Smokiesadventure.com. That's smokies plural. Adventure, singular. The Smoky Mountains and surrounding area is a vacation destinations for all seasons. Some of the nation's best hiking trails, waterfalls, outdoor adventures, and family entertainment can be found right here. Start your adventure by using Smokiesadventure.com to explore all the wonderful features of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.00:02: 08--00:02: 18 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: The trails, the waterfalls, the caves, cove, the elk, and more. Then check out all the awesome family attractions and entertainment you and your family can enjoy.00:02: 19--00:02: 35 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Find lodging, find places to stay. Find places to eat. Find where you can do outdoor life events like weddings and honeymoons. It's all at Smokiesadventure.com, which is the leading information portal for adventure experiences in the Great Smoky Mountains.00:02: 36--00:02: 54 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  So, events coming up at the Meadowlark, August 12 to 13th we're having a Songwriters Camp it's a songwriter's camp in concert with Grammy-winning artists Jim Lauderdale and Charles Humphrey III, along with award-winning artists such as Darren Nicholson, Clay Mills, and Charles Chamberlain.00:02: 54 --00:03: 10 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  It's a two-day event of interactive songwriting instruction for world-class musicians, and a demo tape will be produced for each participant. And there'll be a concert of songs from the Rogue Band on Friday night and a barbecue dinner and also our concert on Saturday night.00:03: 10 --00:03: 50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  This is going to be a unique event like no other, and space will be limited to ensure individual tension is given to all participants. The price is $675 per person, including all the activities and demo tapes and concerts, and barbecue dinner. And then there's special pricing for rooms, and there'll be room packages as well. Call 828-926-1717 for details. And there's also a limited amount of concert tickets available for the general public, and those are available on Friday and Saturday nights, and they're $30 each. And again, you can reserve your spot by calling 828-926-1717.00:03: 50 --00:03: 56 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Welcome to the Gateway to the Smokies podcast with my guest Jim Lauderdale. Hey, Jim. How are you doing?00:03: 56 --00:03: 57 Jim Lauderdale:  Great, how are you?00:03: 57 --00:04: 01 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  I'm doing good. We're huge fans of yours.00:04: 01 --00:04: 02 Jim Lauderdale: Thank you.00:04: 02 --00:04: 16 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  And all the artists are coming to that songwriter camp. I'm really thrilled that this came up. Was the songwriter camp your idea, Bob's idea? You guys came up with it together or what happened?00:04: 16 --00:04: 30 Jim Lauderdale:  I think Bob approached Charles Humphrey about it and then he asked me. And so luckily, timing-wise, it worked out00:04: 30 --00:04: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  cool. Yeah. I see that you do another couple of other camps, like one out west somewhere, don't you? 00:04: 36 --00:04: 49 Jim Lauderdale: I did. I did Steve Polt's camp out in Joshua Tree in May. And I just did the Swannanoa gathering and November00:04: 49 --00:05: 05 Jim Lauderdale:  I Believe it is. I'll be at Jorma Calconin's Fur Piece Ranch. Cool. Yeah. But I enjoy it a lot. I really do. Yeah.00:05: 05 --00:05: 19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Cool. I have a friend of mine I think is going to make it who's been doing music for a number of years but really wants to learn from some real professionals. I got some people that are fairly excited. It's an exciting thing, I think, for people to get to work with some great artists like yourself. 00:05: 19 --00:05: 39 Jim Lauderdale: It's exciting for me to see people it means a lot to people that are writing songs, and I think they're just as valid as somebody that's been doing it for a long time.00:05: 19 --00:05: 39 Jim Lauderdale: And so, it's great to see that enthusiasm and the ideas and to see where these songs can go, too well.00:05: 39 --00:05: 49 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  it's nice to bring it to Western North Carolina. You grew up with Westville, right?00:05: 49 --00:06: 19 Jim Lauderdale: I lived around the Piedmont area and then in South Carolina for a few years not too far from Greenville in due west. And I've been coming to Flat Rock every summer of my life since I was born and have continued to come here a lot. 00:06: 19 --00:06: 36 Jim Lauderdale: And then other times in North Carolina. Winston Salem and Chap Hill for school. So, yeah, North Carolina is my home. Yeah.00:06: 36 --00:06: 43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, I'm glad that you're bringing the art of songwriting here. So, when did you get involved in writing songs? Did you start pretty young?00:06: 43 --00:07: 03 Jim Lauderdale:  I guess I was going through my last year of high school and the idea came to me when I was visiting Troutman, North Carolina, where I lived my first five years.00:07: 03 --00:07: 34 Jim Lauderdale: And so, this melody and a title came to me in a few lines here and there. It was kind of an old, tiny, like, string band type thing. I'd been doing bluegrass banjo for a few years, but that type of melody hit me first, and then I had some melodies I gave to one of my classmates when I was a freshman at the North Carolina School of the Arts.00:07: 34 --00:07: 55 Jim Lauderdale:  And he wrote some lyrics. And from there then I started writing on my own and doing a few demos produced by a guitar-playing friend of mine named Zan McCloud, who I knew in Chapel Hill.00:07: 55 --00:08: 33 Jim Lauderdale: I had a duo when I was in high school with a mentor named Rick Bowley who started a music store called Oxpo Music. And I would travel around with him to festivals and help him sell stuff, and we played as much as we could. And then I went off to college, and these songs were coming to me. So Zan took me to a place kind of out in the country there, outside of Chapel Hill fella named Steve Grandback, who later moved to Charlotte and opened up a studio.00:08: 34 --00:09: 08 Jim Lauderdale: And I thought, just doing three songs and six songs, I thought, well, hey, a record deal is going to come any day. I'll be touring all over the place. I'll have to quit school, but this is what I want to do. I was naive about that process. Like everybody, it took a while, but that's where my passion for songwriting started, really. 00:09: 08 --00:09: 21 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I've always wondered. I've been a visual artist, and I've done a few things as a visual artist. I learned that there are different kinds of visionaries.00:09:21 --00:09: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: There's, like, people that are haptic and there are people that are not haptic and non- haptic. Non-Haptic are people get the vision of the painting in their head, and then they just go create the vision, whereas a haptic artist gets the idea and sort of the sense of a painting, but then they have to work it with their hands.00:09:42 --00:09: 50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Haptic, they got to do it. Is that similar to songwriting? Do some people get, like, just the whole thing in their head and just put it on paper and other people have to work it? 00:09:50 --00:10: 25 Jim Lauderdale: That's right. It's different, really, for everybody. For me, a melody usually comes first, sometimes along with the title, but sometimes just a melody. I know some people who write down whole songs on paper and don't have a melody, or else then a melody comes to them or kind of simultaneously. So, it happens a lot of different ways.00:010:25 --00:10: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy That's interesting. So, in a songwriter camp, how would you help the different types of creators with the different ways of doing their creating of songs? How do you help them?00:10:38 --00:12: 33 Jim Lauderdale: I kind of feel like because usually these camps, there's so much to kind of cover in a short amount of time. I like to do things kind of spontaneously. I don't really have much of a format I follow. And it's kind of like that with me. With writing songs, if I'm co-writing or writing alone, it just kind of is spontaneous. And so, I kind of have to evaluate those writers in front of me at that time and ask them what they need, what do they need to learn, or to help them. And it's funny. My friend Steve Polts was saying at the start of this camp we did a few months ago, it's like, I can't teach you how to write songs, but I can help facilitate them, we'll kind of go through certain very briefly personal experiences of like well, this happened to me one time and that's how I got out of this block or something like that to help them. But I really make it about them. Usually, people have things that question of places where they need to work through.00:12:33 --00:012: 43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Now, does every songwriter really need to practice the discipline or can they come and go from it? How does the discipline work in the songwriting craft?00:12:43 --00:014: 03 Jim Lauderdale:  I think it happens in all different ways too. Some people are super disciplined and I try to be putting and everything I've got into it, but I don't have necessarily set times. Like I don't have a schedule where I go okay, I'm going to get up at eight, have a cup of coffee, right, for 2 hours. Some playwrights and novelists and people like that. It's like I get up at five, I write for 3 hours, that's it. And some people I've also written really late at night with co-writers. We will have tried to write at nine and then we kind of plugging along and then as I'm about to leave or something, somebody will say something and an idea comes out. And then you stay till two or three in the morning. If you're on a role, it's good if you can go ahead and capture that magic.00:14:03 --00:014: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Now, when you are just going about your life and living, do thoughts for a song come to you all the time and you write them down and put them into snippets? Do you save those?00:14:03 --00:015: 25 Jim Lauderdale: My song ideas do come to me quite often in conversation or hearing something or just the thought will come into my head. So, I record them on my phone, on an app, on a voice memo app and refer to them later. I go back to them sometimes if I'm then though just playing also something comes out and then you've got your guitar there. But a lot of times I'll just hum the melody. I'm kind of old school. Instead of doing everything on my phone or computer as far as writing out lyrics, I write them down with a pen on if I have a notebook with me or just a scrap of paper. Sometimes I've lost a movie about that. Was there really somebody lost it.00:15:25 --00:016: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Some creative piece and they spent the whole movie trying to find it? Yeah, it was a silly movie, I'm sure. But it's true. When you're in the visual arts is the same thing. You wake up in the middle of night and think you have solved the mystery of the perfect painting. You write down the thing and then you lose that piece of paper and you're searching for it forever. the creative process is really interesting. If you do voice memos, how do you remember what to search for to find the thing that you went?00:15:25 --00:017: 23 Jim Lauderdale: I labeled them. I labeled them like if it's a bluegrass song, I say BG. If it's a country song, I say c. If it's for donna the buffalo, I say donna. Songs from the road band SFRB. So different thing. If it's a soul thing, I'll say royal or soul. I do have a bunch of unfinished things. I've recorded a few albums at royal studios in Memphis, which was a great sole studio. If I have a studio booked in advance and I'm trying to write for that outright, like, for instance, blackbird for blackbird studio for those sessions. So, I'm not very organized, but at least I can reference those. Then when I'm flipping through the phone, trying to find something to have ready,00:17:25 --00:18: 00 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I mean the human database is the most complex and sometimes also the most infuriating product. We own mine, trying to remember what it was you had thought of. Yeah.So, given that you're going to be working with some people in a collaborative manner here at the Meadowlark Motel August 12, 13th, but then you also write by yourself, what do you prefer? Do you prefer to write solo or with a partner or with a group?00:18:00 --00:18: 40 Jim Lauderdale:  When you're writing with somebody else, I feel like you always come up with something that neither one of you could do alone, necessarily. There's some different strength about that collaboration, but I still like to write alone to kind of challenge myself to do it because it's harder for me to write a loan. It's slower and sometimes more tedious, but I enjoyed both.00:18:40 --00:20: 07 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Cool. You've written with some really great people, and I know that you have a podcast with another legend, Buddy Miller. Have you written with him? Yes. We've got a radio show on Sirius X outlaw country on channel 60 called the buddy and gym show. We have written it's been a few years. The last time we wrote, we did a record together, gosh, I think it was eight years ago, and we wrote for that record, and before that, we'd written some things for his albums. He'd usually save a song or two and say we'd work backwards. Usually somebody gives me lyrics and I put a melody to them, but he gave me melodies and I put lyrics to them, and then he'd be under a deadline, too, so I put deadlines on myself also. But he would be like, hey, I've got to finish this record. How are those lyrics coming along? You have to deliver in those situations,00:20:07 --00:20: 10 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Especially professional and the legend.00:20:10 --00:20: 12 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, absolutely.00:20:12 --00:20: 15 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: You have a reputation to meet now. 00:20:15 --00:20: 17 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, that's right.00:20:19 --00:20: 25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Is there any other people that you have co-written with that are sort of favorite co-writers?00:20:25 --00:21: 32 Jim Lauderdale Yes. The man I've probably written the most songs with is Robert Hunter, who used to write with Jerry Garcia and wrote kind of just so many of the grateful dead songs. And we've probably written about 100 together. And sadly, Robert passed a few years ago, and I've written a lot with John Levanthal, great writer and producer, guitar player, and a lot with OD Blackman and several songs with Harlan Howard, who was one of my songwriting heroes, and also Melbourne Montgomery and Charles Humphrey that will be there at the camp. I really enjoy riding with him a lot.00:21:32 --00:21: 36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: He's a good guy. I've had him on the sales.00:20136 --00:22: 38 Jim Lauderdal: He really is. He's a good he really is. He's really a really great writer. And we have a few things. I did a bluegrass record at Echo Mountain a few years ago here, and my concept of it was to have North Carolina bands and North Carolina artists do tracks with me for this record. And so, Charles and I have a couple of cowrites on that. And then I've got a song coming up on a country record that's coming out in August of Charles. And I wrote that original I was thinking it was going to be more acoustic and bluegrass, and then now it's kind of more of a western not western swing, but slight swing thing. Well, I guess you could call it a western swing. Swing to it, right? Yeah. So that's going to be great to work with him at this camp.00:22:38 --00:22: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Is the swing a hard thing to get into performing?00:22:42 --00:22: 52 Jim Lauderdale: No, it's good. Not think it breaks up the other grooves you might be doing. I really like it a lot.00:22:52 --00:23: 16 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Yeah. The reason I asked is my wife is actually a Brazilian percussionist, a swing in that that you have to have or it's just no good. Right. She's done all right with that. It's an advocation, but she got to be on Saturday Night Live and that sort of thing. 00:23:17 --00:23: 18 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, that's awesome.00:23:18 --00:23: 20 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: That's a great hobby.00:23:20 --00:23: 25 Jim Lauderdale:  Yeah, that's terrific.00:23:26 --00:23: 29 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Which do you prefer? Do you prefer writing or do you prefer performing?00:23:29 --00:24: 15 Jim Lauderdale: I like them both. They both have their attractions and fulfilling things about them. It's a great feeling to write a song and then it's great in those circumstances when you're on stage and then you get to do those songs and interact with people, interact with the audience. And if you're playing in a band setting, those other musicians. So, I wouldn't be able to choose one from the other.00:24:16 --00:24: 18 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Have you done, like, over 30 albums? Is that right? 00:24:19 --00:24: 22 Jim Lauderdale This will be my 35th coming out in August.00:24:22--00:24: 23 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Wow. Yeah. What's the name of that one coming out in August?00:24:23 --00:24: 24 Jim Lauderdale Game Changer. 00:24:24--00:24: 25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Game Changer. And00:24: 32 --00:24: 56 Jim Lauderdale: it's a country record. I consciously I kind of go in different cycles with records, whether it's country, bluegrass, kind of singer-songwriter, soul or blues rock, or whatever. And this is a consciously focused country record.00:24:56 --00:24: 58 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: That's fabulous. Of all your records, which one is your favorite?00:25:01 --00:25: 14 Jim Lauderdale: I can't decide. I mean, I really don't have a favorite because a lot of times the most current record is the favorite one.00:25:14 --00:25: 42 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  It said as the tea surpasses. People would ask the question, what's your favorite painting and they say, the last one. But I think there's a lot of truth to that. Yeah. When you hear a song or you see a song that you've written or listen to it, do you think, oh, I could improve it? There's something I should have done to improve it here? 00:25:42 --00:26: 10 Jim Lauderdale: Not really, no. I'm always if I hear somebody doing one of my songs, I'm just so elated that somebody else is doing, and I've never heard I've been asked before if I've ever been disappointed in a song offer, and I never have. It's always just real rewarding to hear somebody else's take on it.00:26:10 -00:26:14 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  Cool. Well, people come into the songwriter camp. What kind of things can we expect?00:26:17--00:26: 55 Jim Lauderdale: I think hopefully they'll walk away from that camp with a different take on their own writing and that they will be able to incorporate some of the tips and methods and things like that and suggestions and that. They'll walk out of there feeling more confident about their writing and their minds will be more open to things and their creativity, hopefully, will expand.00:26:55 -00:27:00 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: And will you give them insights on how to pursue a songwriting career and that sort of thing?00:27:00 --00:28: 59 Jim Lauderdale: I think first somebody's got to develop their catalog. They've got to have a body of work to and it doesn't have to be hundreds of songs or anything. You could have ten or 15 songs and go out there and try, but it's a process we won't get into because, see, the business part of things changes a lot all the time. But, basically my thing to people, and to myself, too, is that you have got to constantly challenge yourself. If you feel like, hey, this one song am I, this is it. This is going to change everything. It's going to change my life. This is going to open up the doors. That's terrific that you've got that song, but you've got to keep going and create another one and another one and another one. Not to just set that aside and go, well, Madison, but to build on what you're doing. And I feel like it might be naive or old fashioned or something, but I feel that when the songs are there, then those doors open. But it doesn't matter what kind of contacts you have or this or that. The songs have to be there. 00:28:59 -00:29:02 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, there's less than people write a good song, they can sing a good song, right? 00:29:02 -- 00:30:22 Jim Lauderdale Well, maybe, possibly, but sometimes it's mentioning that one song that somebody has. Some people have had careers, though, off of one song, but I think it's good to kind of be well rounded and have, let's say if you're outperforming, if you're a performing singer-songwriter, you've got to have a whole set of songs that you really feel are stand up to other people, other writers that you really like, and to your other good ones. And of course, that's a process. It doesn't happen all at once. It's like an art show. You've got to have a room full of art. You might have that one painting in the show. Yeah. And hopefully, those paintings in the room will be just as compelling.00:30:24 -00:30:31 Joseph Franklyn McElroy Your whole body of work. I know in other writing professions, there's writer's block. There's a writer's block in songwriting as well.00:30:32 -- 00:31:17 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, yeah, definitely. Yes. If we only had a series, we could do, Right? It would be a marathon. Yeah. I think that anybody that's riding something, will come across that rider block. That's one of the secrets I will talk about during this songwriter's workshop of how to break free of that rider's block.00:31:18 -- 00:31:19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Oh, wow.00:31:21 -- 00:31:34 Jim Lauderdale I would say right now, but people will have to come to see that one time. 00:31:34 -- 00:31:43 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  That's the magic sauce, folks. Now you can learn, especially if you're starting out, you probably have riders block a lot.00:31:43 -- 00:32:45 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, you do. But it takes practice and getting through growing as a writer, and you'll go through different steps and stages and things and just keepexpanding your abilities as time goes on. The more you do it, that 10,000. What is the expression when you do something for 10,000 hours, then you are good at something like that? Now you won't have to do that long, especially with the techniques people will be learning at this camp. They'll take a shortcut of 10 hours instead of 10,000.00:32:45 -- 00:33:06 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: There you, That's a big promise, man. I knew you had that big thing in you. Oh, that's great. And then you guys can have an all- star concert on the finale, right?00:33:06 -- 00:32:08 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah.00:33:08 -- 00:33:12 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: So, have you prepared to play this?00:33:012 -- 00:33:58 Jim Lauderdale: Yeah, we'll jam. I'm sure we'll talk about it before we get up there but on stage. But that's the cool thing about people can pick up. They can look at you while you're playing, or you can just say, Kia, this is like a one, four, five progressions. I'll kick it off. Whatever. It's fun to jam like that with people and hear what comes out.00:33:58 -- 00:34:25 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: So, it's going to be a fabulous time. I've got my whole family booked in at our motel, Meadowlark Motel, where it's going to be. That's great to be here because we're excited just to be around it. It's a two-day thing. It's two concerts. I imagine there'd be some jamming as well. Oh, yeah. Wonderful meals. I'm a cookie guy. Breakfast on Saturday morning.00:34:25 -- 00:34:28 Jim Lauderdale: Oh, nice. Yeah. Great. I'm a supporter of that. I'm a big breakfast guy. 00:34:28 -- 00:34:33 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Have your requests? What do you like for breakfast?00:34:33 -- 00:34:40 Jim Lauderdale: You know what? Whatever you have I'm sure will be delicious.00:34:43 -- 00:34:50 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Well, I can range from chicken fried steak to tomatoes with a smoked trout dip. Whatever slowed to you folk.00:34:50-- 00:34:52 Jim Lauderdale: Stop. You making me hungry.00:34:54 -- 00:34:56 Joseph Franklyn McElroy:  So, what's next for you?00:34:56-- 00:35:23 Jim Lauderdale:  I am working on my follow-up to the Game Changer record, and that's coming out, and several bluegrass things right now. And I have a fair amount of gigs coming up starting in September until the rest of the year.00:35:24 -- 00:35:36 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: Okay. Yeah. Cool. And are there any shoutouts you want to do? Any websites or anything you want to mention for people checking things out?00:35:36-- 00:36:02 Jim Lauderdale:  I guess my website is Jimlauderdalemusic.com and then all the social media things, I've got stuff on those. Yeah. So that's kind of got the current things that will be happening on there listed.00:36:02 -- 00:36:19 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: I will be sure to follow some of that. That is exciting for us. I want to thank you for being on this podcast and also thank you for doing this campaign.00:36:20-- 00:36:56 Jim Lauderdale: Guess I'll say one more thing about the camp. When you're a kid and you went camping and how much you enjoyed it and everything, this camp will make those times when you're a kid look like a Greek tragedy. This camp is going to be even though it's short, we don't have time these days to go to a summer camp for two weeks. We cram all the gusto in two days.00:37:02 -- 00:37:35 Joseph Franklyn McElroy: In a day and two- days, it'll be the center of your life for the rest of your existence. That's right. It'll be the sun about which your life repeats. Yes. Well, that's fabulous. We are about to change people's lives and looking forward to it. Well, thank you. This has been the Gateway to the Smokies podcast. You can find us@ facebook.com GatewaytotheSmokies and also smokiesadventure.com and there'll be this episode as well as other episodes on that website that you can find. Thank you much. And that's it.00:37:35-- 00:37:36 Jim Lauderdale: Thanks a lot.Bye!

WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?What does Agritourism mean for farmers, entrepreneurs, and residents in the mountains? Tune in to find out the answer to this question from our guest today, Laura Lauffer as we go on with our conversation with her.EPISODE SUMMARY:Joseph will interview our special guest, Laura Lauffer, Project Director of EmPOWERing Mountain Food Systems and Appalachian Regional Commission Power Project Center for Environmental Farming Systems sponsored by North Carolina State University – an organization whose objective is to offer financial, technical, and business support to regional farms and food-related businesses, while also being an advocate for agritourism. This conversation will cover the process of creating and implementing a business model that emphasizes community development, as well as the relationship between public policy and economic development in Appalachian communities.Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/empowermtnfood/Website: https://cefs.ncsu.edu/food-system-initiatives/emfs-empowering-mountain-food-systems/EPISODE QUOTE: “ Everybody's got a yellow squash in July, so maybe planta different kind of beet instead. You have to be smart.”  Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTESSegment 1Lauffer is a native of North Carolina, her father retired when she was in elementary school. She gotta enjoy the tightly knit community of soldiers and their families. Whilst taking part in the Peace Corps she got to visit Zaire, a country in Africa.SEGMENT 2 In Zaire she was an extension agent. She would get seeds and extend them to farmers in the area to increase protein consumption as it was lacking in the people's diet. The Peace Corps also gave her the opportunity to learn the local dialect and also used French. She goes on to share that she earned a minor in Spanish in Montreal. Before starting a farm in Garner in Hohnston County she toured around Europe. She then became a Peace Corps recruiter in Grad school. Her area of expertise is food systems and economic development. She started a program at North Carolina Community College where she taught sustainability. She left the classroom and applied her skills in the field as a program director at NCA&T for regional food systems. Agritourism is tourism that is added to an existing farming operation.SEGMENT 3‍Using her website people can create appointments to get hooked up with different resources being offered by the program. One of the resources includes Advanced Business Services which helps local businesses that are advanced. The small business centers are partners that community colleges host to offer free business counseling. In agriculture, she is noticing carbon sequestration, which is recognizing farmers as a solution to climate change instead of as a factor of climate change.SEGMENT 4She uses storytelling to give people background and context to farms and agriculture including their purpose. The ideal farm-to-table program is where the farmer and chef are expressing creativity and have a relationship of understanding. An example is Silva Ilda, they change their many every week according to what's coming in fresh.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:40.740 –> 00:00:57.240 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy, welcome you to the gateway to the smokies podcast this podcast is about America's most visited National Park, the great smoky mountains National Park in the surrounding towns, this area is filled with H in that.00:00:59.460 –> 00:01:03.690 Joseph McElroy: Deep-storied history filters that we explore with the weekly episode.00:01:04.500 –> 00:01:11.850 Joseph McElroy: As I said, I'm Joseph Franklin McElroy man in the world, but also deep roots in these mountains by families living the great smokies for over 200 years.00:01:12.270 –> 00:01:20.160 Joseph McElroy: My businesses and travel, but my heart is a culture today we're going to talk about agritourism and farm to table with Laura lot left.00:01:20.910 –> 00:01:29.220 Joseph McElroy: The first, you know a few sponsors and things like that you know when you start planning a trip.00:01:29.790 –> 00:01:38.310 Joseph McElroy: After you decide where you're going to go usually the first things you do is, you choose a book your flight you book your place you're going to stay.00:01:38.820 –> 00:01:47.010 Joseph McElroy: As because you need to have a place to start your vacation adventure and then you can get done you get to work on it in Tenerife now I place.00:01:47.880 –> 00:01:52.740 Joseph McElroy: and finding a place to stay, I want you to imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past.00:01:53.550 –> 00:01:58.920 Joseph McElroy: Modern and vibrant with a Chic Appalachian feel a place for adventure and for relaxation.00:01:59.520 –> 00:02:07.410 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you efficient a mountain heritage trout stream grill to catch on fire and eat accompanied by fine wines or craft beers.00:02:07.800 –> 00:02:20.100 Joseph McElroy: So imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sounds, there is no other place like Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley North Carolina your smoky mountain adventures start with where you stay.00:02:20.940 –> 00:02:27.720 Joseph McElroy: Now, one of the things that we can help you with is to help you build your itinerary once you decide that you're going to stay.00:02:28.080 –> 00:02:39.780 Joseph McElroy: and come to the smoky mountains for vacation state the middle art we actually have a site called smokies adventure calm, that you can actually do your research on to find out about.00:02:40.950 –> 00:02:46.920 Joseph McElroy: The best hiking trails waterfalls outdoor adventures and family entertainment that you can find here.00:02:47.910 –> 00:02:59.940 Joseph McElroy: And you can find a lot about the great smoky mountains National Park, you have the best trails the best waterfalls and what you can do in caves code, you find out about the history of the smokies and how to explore that.00:03:00.960 –> 00:03:04.290 Joseph McElroy: That smokies adventure smokies plural adventure com.ew-]0:03:05.490 –> 00:03:16.620 Joseph McElroy: For your research pleasure and then when you get here will be more than happy to sell to set you up with tours or other things to do, and of course, we have a lot of things going on here we have the metal dark smoky mountain.00:03:17.730 –> 00:03:20.070 Joseph McElroy: Historical Center here with lots of.00:03:21.150 –> 00:03:27.390 Joseph McElroy: Events coming about mountain heritage and music and culture, here in the mountains and I'll tell you about a couple of00:03:28.170 –> 00:03:39.810 Joseph McElroy: Recently there was a viral event on TikTok and Instagram with some cloggers and specifically one color flogger I live, right here and Maggie Valley, the valley Jonathan.00:03:41.490 –> 00:03:52.500 Joseph McElroy: And we're going to actually bring those cloggers here this weekend to the Meadowlark Motel to do performance the J creek cloggers and.00:03:53.100 –> 00:04:03.210 Joseph McElroy: And they are going to be here on Friday night on Saturday night and your father, going to be performing at 730 but previous to that you can have a free Barbecue.00:04:04.050 –> 00:04:20.730 Joseph McElroy: There is sort of an iconic dance group that has been forming for a number of years, but zip the legend Ross was just picked up on tick tock and Instagram doing some solo buck dancing that was reminiscent of a lot of.00:04:21.750 –> 00:04:31.440 Joseph McElroy: Urban dancing going on, and he became sort of a hero and he's actually got a nickname now in the army online things he says he's called the legend.00:04:32.550 –> 00:04:34.710 Joseph McElroy: Is he doing something called any call it, Chris walked.00:04:35.910 –> 00:04:42.750 Joseph McElroy: that's an urban culture but it's part of the clogging that he does here so so it's kind of cool.00:04:43.500 –> 00:04:56.850 Joseph McElroy: That that happened I don't think they've had I think they've had 100 million views it's crazy, so you know we invite you to come out and see it live on Saturday night July 30 here at the Meadowlark00:04:58.110 –> 00:05:11.160 Joseph McElroy: admission is free for the motel guests and for heritage club members and it's $20 for people that are just visiting it's called 8289261717 to find out information reverse to reserve your room.00:05:12.390 –> 00:05:22.320 Joseph McElroy: Now, another thing that on August six that we're doing a smoky mountain heritage Center is putting on starting a Cherokee heritage series and they're bringing in.00:05:23.910 –> 00:05:34.530 Joseph McElroy: What true Appalachian Appalachian treasure baby arch and Davey is a world-famous Cherokee tribal historic and storing and Ward winning craftsman.00:05:35.070 –> 00:05:43.410 Joseph McElroy: Traditional Cherokee crafts, especially mass and baskets and he's a beloved spokesman for the Eastern Cherokee tribe.00:05:43.980 –> 00:05:56.520 Joseph McElroy: And this will be on August six starting at six the Barbecue dinner and music and then there will be a whole presentation that you will find very interesting.00:05:57.240 –> 00:06:08.160 Joseph McElroy: Michigan is $20 for guest three for hotel guests in here to close my hair does club Members call eight to 89261717 to reserve your seat.00:06:08.820 –> 00:06:22.080 Joseph McElroy: One of the events coming up that I've been promoting for a while now is a songwriters camp I don't know if you've heard of Jim Lauderdale but he's a grammy award-winning artist I think 30 hit songs under his belt.00:06:23.340 –> 00:06:39.630 Joseph McElroy: That he's written for various artists or more he wrote a lot of George strait's songs he wrote king of the broken hearts might be one of the big ones that you know so and he's leading a crew of grammy award-winning artist here there's gonna be Charles Humphrey the third.00:06:41.370 –> 00:06:57.330 Joseph McElroy: And then there's gonna Be daring Nicholson of Balsam Range les mills and Charles Chamberlain it's like a dream team of songwriters and top musicians here at the metal art and it's a two-day event, where you have a meet and greet and have a.00:06:58.590 –> 00:07:08.910 Joseph McElroy: concert by the songs from the road band and Barbecue dinner and all star concept on a Saturday night and then you're going to have.00:07:09.660 –> 00:07:29.640 Joseph McElroy: An all day intensive workshop where you actually walk away with a DEMO tape of one of your songs and it's gonna be it's gonna be incredible it's a great way to meet and learn from some of the top in the business so call eight to 89261717 to reserve your space and to get a ticket.00:07:31.440 –> 00:07:42.810 Joseph McElroy: get a space for the workshop and the two concerts are also available to the public, just to come and enjoy the music so again eight to 89261717 to get your spot.00:07:44.940 –> 00:07:51.420 Joseph McElroy: So today we're going to be talking about tourism with lunch.00:07:54.810 –> 00:07:55.560 Joseph McElroy: it's with.00:07:56.670 –> 00:08:10.050 Joseph McElroy: Our guest his name is Laura laufer is and she is the project director of empowering mountain food systems at appalachian regional convinced Commission power project Center for environmental party farming systems.00:08:11.250 –> 00:08:13.260 Joseph McElroy: You can't say that a lot of times fast.00:08:15.000 –> 00:08:15.750 Laura Lauffer she/her: Natural.00:08:15.990 –> 00:08:26.670 Joseph McElroy: sponsored by North Carolina State University an organization, whose objective is to offer financial, technical and business support to regional farms and food related businesses.00:08:27.090 –> 00:08:35.820 Joseph McElroy: while also being an advocate for agritourism, she holds degrees from Western Carolina university nc State University speaks for language.00:08:36.180 –> 00:08:47.340 Joseph McElroy: And there's a webinar producer blogger and Community activists she resides in western North Carolina enjoys hiking and spending time with family or friends Hello Laura how are you doing.00:08:47.370 –> 00:08:49.710 Laura Lauffer she/her: hey hey guys.00:08:49.920 –> 00:08:51.270 Joseph McElroy: I pronounce your last name right.00:08:51.570 –> 00:08:52.140 Laura Lauffer she/her: Now offer.00:08:52.410 –> 00:08:56.730 Joseph McElroy: offer okay so we're very thrilled to have you here today.00:08:57.990 –> 00:09:02.400 Joseph McElroy: You know, we are, we are getting in into farm to table here it's of lr.00:09:03.480 –> 00:09:11.100 Joseph McElroy: we've actually put in a raised garden back in the back here and then yeah I went out to my old family farm wish I owned.00:09:12.120 –> 00:09:22.950 Joseph McElroy: A third of it and on my on my land grant visible where my grandfather farm I put in my first field and now i'm a farmer feeling so proud of myself.00:09:24.480 –> 00:09:31.140 Joseph McElroy: As I got a lot to learn, but I did, I do have some candy roasters and things like that.00:09:31.980 –> 00:09:43.200 Joseph McElroy: Growing there so i'm looking forward to this conversation because i'm sure you can teach me how I could do this much better so, but first I want to get a little bit of your background you're a native of fayetteville North Carolina right.00:09:43.890 –> 00:09:44.850 Laura Lauffer she/her: Yes, I am.00:09:45.030 –> 00:09:46.140 Joseph McElroy: yeah and then.00:09:47.160 –> 00:09:54.090 Joseph McElroy: You know I whenever I think of that area I automatically think it for broad were you were you an army brat by chance.00:09:54.660 –> 00:09:58.170 Laura Lauffer she/her: My dad was in the army, yes that's how I like to answer that.00:09:59.160 –> 00:10:01.530 Laura Lauffer she/her: I did I did grow up more closer to.00:10:01.530 –> 00:10:12.390 Laura Lauffer she/her: Fort bragg and my dad was career special forces, and it was a really wonderful wonderful way to grow up, it was a really nice Community there on base.00:10:12.660 –> 00:10:15.000 Joseph McElroy: So you got to stay in one place for your whole childhood.00:10:15.360 –> 00:10:16.200 Laura Lauffer she/her: I did.00:10:16.410 –> 00:10:17.400 Laura Lauffer she/her: My dad died.00:10:17.430 –> 00:10:24.330 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah my dad I was a kind of a late comer as far as the in the order of children, so my dad retired.00:10:25.620 –> 00:10:35.070 Laura Lauffer she/her: When I was still in elementary school, but we stayed there because of the tight Community bond with all the soldiers families so well.00:10:35.340 –> 00:10:46.650 Joseph McElroy: yeah I was just recently out there, my son my 13 year old son is happens to be a power lifter and there was a there was actually a major power lifting event out there, so.00:10:47.880 –> 00:10:54.000 Joseph McElroy: You know I I it's interesting mixed bag place or some really beautiful places in some places that.00:10:55.590 –> 00:10:55.950 Joseph McElroy: But.00:10:57.030 –> 00:11:00.960 Joseph McElroy: All of North Carolina is it beautiful so.00:11:01.440 –> 00:11:04.080 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah I used to consider myself a beach girl.00:11:04.500 –> 00:11:04.800 Laura Lauffer she/her: And then.00:11:05.280 –> 00:11:16.350 Laura Lauffer she/her: To the mountains and I was coming back from the beach a couple years ago and I, and I was so happy to come to the mountains, so I just decided, I was in North Carolina girl.00:11:16.740 –> 00:11:18.330 Joseph McElroy: There you go you got everything here.00:11:18.360 –> 00:11:18.630 yeah.00:11:19.890 –> 00:11:25.980 Joseph McElroy: We have a rain forest, we have snow ski mountains and we have a white this white sand beaches.00:11:26.790 –> 00:11:36.270 Joseph McElroy: You can't really beat that yeah so how did you end up going to Western Carolina university from high school and fayetteville.00:11:37.590 –> 00:11:40.860 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well, it was a circuitous route as you.00:11:41.910 –> 00:11:44.490 Laura Lauffer she/her: can imagine, and there was a boy involved in.00:11:44.490 –> 00:11:44.760 So.00:11:47.070 –> 00:11:47.760 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah.00:11:47.850 –> 00:12:04.560 Laura Lauffer she/her: But I was very glad I ended up here, and so this was a sweet homecoming for me since I graduated there in 1988 and another boy I met and I took off to the Peace Corps from from cali so.00:12:05.970 –> 00:12:15.540 Laura Lauffer she/her: So 30 years later i'm back and really, really appreciating it more you know in my advanced age, the beauty.00:12:15.960 –> 00:12:28.770 Laura Lauffer she/her: Of the region, you know, back then, I you know we were hiking and kind of go into paradise falls and stuff like that, but this time i'm really, really enjoying the beauty of the of the region.00:12:29.340 –> 00:12:31.530 Joseph McElroy: Peace Corps where'd you go in the Peace Corps.00:12:32.010 –> 00:12:33.210 Laura Lauffer she/her: went desire.00:12:33.420 –> 00:12:33.990 Joseph McElroy: wow.00:12:34.140 –> 00:12:43.200 Laura Lauffer she/her: it's this country in the middle of Africa it's a probably the one of the most difficult posts, you can have honestly and.00:12:44.460 –> 00:12:50.970 Laura Lauffer she/her: It was an amazing experience and many volunteers don't have that experience anymore being.00:12:50.970 –> 00:12:52.140 Laura Lauffer she/her: So rural.00:12:52.920 –> 00:12:58.050 Joseph McElroy: Well, I gotta I want to hear a little bit more about the experience but we got to take a break right now and then.00:12:59.640 –> 00:13:01.950 Joseph McElroy: And then and talk a little bit more about that.00:13:02.040 –> 00:13:04.380 Joseph McElroy: and other than, of course, Western North Carolina.00:13:04.920 –> 00:13:05.520 Great.00:15:21.300 –> 00:15:36.300 Joseph McElroy: Howdy! this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies podcast my guest is Laura Lauffer so Laura you are the peace corps and you were in Africa and what you were doing, and they have anything related to agriculture, what.00:15:37.080 –> 00:15:38.430 Laura Lauffer she/her: It did and.00:15:38.940 –> 00:15:53.520, Laura Lauffer, she/her: We were extension agents what most people know what extension agents do here is extend the research from the land grant university to farmers and enzyme air, which is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.00:15:54.630 –> 00:15:59.760 Laura Lauffer she/her: There was a Research Station but there were no agents, and so my husband and I.00:16:01.290 –> 00:16:08.040 Laura Lauffer s: would get seeds and extend them to farmers in the region, mostly corn and soybeans.00:16:08.550 –> 00:16:22.110 Laura Lauffer she/her: To try to increase the protein content of diets because malnutrition, was an issue there, so it was a lovely amazing experience, who lived in a mud hut with no plumbing and no electricity and only got around on bikes.00:16:22.560 –> 00:16:27.690 Laura Lauffer she/her: Oh, it was It made me appreciate all that we have.00:16:28.470 –> 00:16:38.670 Joseph McElroy: Well, that sounds like a fantastic experience I see that you spoke four languages, you know romantic languages and then this one called Chiluba00:16:39.210 –> 00:16:56.250, Laura Lauffer, she/her: Chiluba, yeah I was in a gas station in Raleigh once and the guy behind the counter was speaking to Buddha and I started speaking to him is like a so yeah it's a that's The great thing about peace corps is they, they teach you the local dialect.00:16:56.700 –> 00:16:57.390 Joseph McElroy: Oh wow.00:16:58.110 –> 00:17:04.440, Laura Lauffer, she/her: yeah so it was really great I think it'd be hard for me to carry on a conversation, and most of those languages.00:17:05.820 –> 00:17:16.530 Laura Lauffer she/her: I grew up spending a lot of time in Montreal and got a minor in Spanish, and then spoke French and spoke Chiluba are so it's a mix match in there.00:17:16.770 –> 00:17:19.290 Joseph McElroy: wow how long did you stay inside here?00:17:19.920 –> 00:17:20.640 Laura Lauffer she/her: Three years.00:17:22.410 –> 00:17:23.520 Joseph McElroy: becomes almost all right.00:17:24.150 –> 00:17:44.370, Laura Lauffer, she/her: yeah it was we stayed on we extended a little at the end and worked in the itinerary rain forest with john interests heart and they were doing research with the band booty tribe, which is also known as the pygmies way deep in the rain forest and.00:17:45.660 –> 00:17:53.490 Laura Lauffer she/her: It was an amazing experience, but we were ready to go and we hitchhiked across the continent it's something you can't do really anymore.00:17:54.780 –> 00:17:58.650 Laura Lauffer she/her: It was a true vagabond experience for some young people.00:17:59.460 –> 00:18:01.770 Joseph McElroy: And then you came back to the United States after that.00:18:02.370 –> 00:18:14.280, Laura Lauffer, she/her: We did we thought we would travel a lot more, but the Gulf War was going on in our family, you know, is ready for us to come back, but we toured around Europe for a little bit and then came back.00:18:14.640 –> 00:18:15.810 Joseph McElroy: And we're to settle settle.00:18:17.400 –> 00:18:29.850, Laura Lauffer, she/her: Actually, we stayed in wake county for a while, and then we moved out into the country and the head started our first little farm in garner and Johnston county.00:18:30.090 –> 00:18:30.510 Joseph McElroy: Oh wow.00:18:30.810 –> 00:18:45.000, Laura Lauffer, she/her: And, and I worked in Durham I've worked for Africa, new service until I went to Grad school and became a peace corps recruiter in Grad school at NC state, and that was really wonderful experience.00:18:45.300 –> 00:18:53.280 Joseph McElroy: And that's where you got even further into understanding at the Grad school you got into the agriculture-related studies.00:18:53.940 –> 00:19:04.410 Laura Lauffer she/her: no, mostly sustainability so I'm not an ag-technician food systems person and Community development and economic development.00:19:05.340 –> 00:19:18.540 Laura Lauffer she/her: So I'm not the I do have you know a little bit of knowledge, you know enough to get by on animal husbandry and crop production, but my area of emphasis is food systems and economic development.00:19:18.690 –> 00:19:27.870 Joseph McElroy: wow you know what are the, what are the only three pine-rated logic facility, the Western Asheville by the state of North Carolina in terms of sustainable yeah.00:19:28.110 –> 00:19:42.690 Laura Lauffer she/her: Fantastic yeah I taught sustainability for a while I started a program at Central Carolina Community College, where the few sustainability degrees in the state, and that was a wonderful experience.00:19:43.020 –> 00:19:48.180 Joseph McElroy: And then you worked as a program coordinator of local farms of food within see at antique00:19:48.960 –> 00:19:57.690 Laura Lauffer she/her: I did that's when I got I left teaching because I really was kind of tired of talking about sustainability so much in the classroom every day and I was.00:19:58.560 –> 00:20:14.310 Laura Lauffer she/her: missing the application in the field, and so I took a leap of faith and left teaching and was brought on for this regional food systems work at NCAA empty and their extension Program.00:20:14.760 –> 00:20:21.840 Joseph McElroy: cool and what is the regional food system work, what is it you do there?00:20:21.930 –> 00:20:28.980 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well, so one of the things that we like to focus on is helping farmers with their supply chain.00:20:29.910 –> 00:20:38.550, Laura Lauffer, she/her: If they want to diversify their source of funding, do they want to diversify markets this happened a lot during covid where.00:20:38.940 –> 00:20:56.730 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know the one-on-one marketing say at farmer's markets when a way, so we help folks establish their web presence, maybe, establish a pickup and so, for that they needed coolers, and so we had a program our funder came to us during cove it and said.00:20:58.050 –> 00:21:13.680 Laura Lauffer she/her: What, what do you need to do you know, because everything this of course it was not our plan to have a pandemic in this project, and so I went to the farmers, and I was like what what do y'all need most and it was cold storage so because they were like.00:21:14.190 –> 00:21:15.810 Laura Lauffer she/her: had to hold on to things a little bit.00:21:15.810 –> 00:21:30.960 Laura Lauffer she/her: Longer and have a different distribution method so um so supply chain is very important, you know, maintaining that quality and diversifying income so that's kind of a snapshot that's one of the things we do.00:21:31.710 –> 00:21:42.030 Joseph McElroy: So the new so you ended up then coming to Western North Carolina and leading leading be coming the project director of this up God awful lot.00:21:45.360 –> 00:21:48.600 Laura Lauffer she/her: it's empowering that with IT systems that says it all.00:21:50.040 –> 00:21:55.860 Joseph McElroy: Of that is an applicant Appalachian Regional Commission our project Center for environmental party system.00:21:56.430 –> 00:22:01.230 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah you always have to mention your funders you know they like that and it's important.00:22:01.530 –> 00:22:01.920 Laura Lauffer she/her: So yeah.00:22:02.520 –> 00:22:09.210 Laura Lauffer she/her: We are funded by the appalachian regional Commission it's a over a million dollar grant over four years.00:22:09.810 –> 00:22:28.440 Laura Lauffer she/her: To do this work, and we also very importantly, got funding from the cherokee preservation foundation to work with cherokee farmers and cherokee food systems and my office is actually in the Qualla boundary of the eastern band of Cherokee so we've had the great pleasure to work with.00:22:29.760 –> 00:22:38.310 Laura Lauffer she/her: tribal government and and are our allies there to help Cherokee farmers and cherokee businesses grow.00:22:38.790 –> 00:22:43.980 Joseph McElroy: So you work do you do you work with pharmacy work with other businesses like restaurants groceries.00:22:45.120 –> 00:22:45.450 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:22:46.650 –> 00:22:48.540 Laura Lauffer she/her: um so like during covid00:22:49.830 –> 00:22:58.650 Laura Lauffer she/her: Some restaurants transition to be the grocery stores, so I hope folks know about Guadalupe CAFE and downtown Silva00:22:58.770 –> 00:22:59.820 Joseph McElroy: Oh that's a great CAFE.00:22:59.820 –> 00:23:00.300 yeah.00:23:01.440 –> 00:23:04.590 Joseph McElroy: I look at like the multiple salsa salsa.00:23:04.830 –> 00:23:08.460 Joseph McElroy: yeah good you can bring a great day yeah.00:23:08.730 –> 00:23:16.110 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah yeah yeah Jen is wonderful and she's always been super committed to local food systems and so.00:23:17.100 –> 00:23:21.570 Laura Lauffer she/her: And she was only doing take out but folks will come get their takeout they can get coffee.00:23:22.080 –> 00:23:41.520 Laura Lauffer she/her: butter cheese bacon and so, for that she needs more cold storage, and so we help with that, and then we also help with Yonder, which is a fabulous market up in Franklin, and so they during covid they transition from a from a restaurant to a.00:23:43.020 –> 00:23:48.870 Laura Lauffer she/her: Community supported agriculture, where they were selling bags of food and and a little grocery store.00:23:49.320 –> 00:24:06.030 Laura Lauffer she/her: So yeah absolutely so it's you know it's all along we'd like to work all along the supply chain were even work with Western Carolina university, we had an event there a few weeks ago, talking to their catering directors about buying local for events there.00:24:06.390 –> 00:24:10.500 Joseph McElroy: Well, so a little, so our little planet, the building a.00:24:12.090 –> 00:24:22.680 Joseph McElroy: Small essentially a small farm to help support our plans to make this restaurant would be something we could actually work a little bit with you on.00:24:23.190 –> 00:24:31.170, Laura Lauffer, she/her: Absolutely, I mean you're in Haywood county this project is only goes from Haywood to Cherokee county.00:24:32.310 –> 00:24:39.600 Laura Lauffer she/her: there's often not a lot of attention out here in this little piece of heaven, you know there, there is a lot of mountains west of Asheville.00:24:39.870 –> 00:24:40.200 Right.00:24:41.280 –> 00:24:45.510 Laura Lauffer she/her: And yeah yeah we love, we have some great partners in Haywood county.00:24:45.960 –> 00:24:46.710 Joseph McElroy: cool yeah.00:24:47.880 –> 00:24:49.890 Joseph McElroy: Totally yeah totally.00:24:51.660 –> 00:24:56.430 Joseph McElroy: Totally enamored by you know the concept of agritourism.00:24:57.750 –> 00:25:00.930 Joseph McElroy: And you how do you guys promote agritourism00:25:02.040 –> 00:25:17.490 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well agritourism what's really essential is that agritourism is tourism that is added on to an existing farming operation so it's not this case where.00:25:18.480 –> 00:25:35.520 Laura Lauffer she/her: Laura goes and buys a piece of land and puts up a beautiful barn and it's a wedding venue that is not agritourism so agritourism, is a working farm or you know farm production business where they're adding agritourism.00:25:36.330 –> 00:25:46.740, Laura Lauffer, she/her: To increase knowledge and, hopefully, of course, in increase revenue, and you know people are very interested to learn, you know where their food comes from.00:25:47.400 –> 00:26:08.670 Laura Lauffer she/her: And, and you know children love to go walk along or shear a sheep Jehovah raw farm and Haywood county has a fantastic agritourism operation, where you can stay in their cabin and she and use the wool from a shared sheep and make your own rug oh.00:26:09.480 –> 00:26:10.410 Laura Lauffer she/her: that's cool yeah.00:26:10.470 –> 00:26:12.750 Laura Lauffer she/her: So look up Jehovah raw form they are.00:26:13.440 –> 00:26:15.060 Joseph McElroy: All yeah you know.00:26:16.410 –> 00:26:17.670 Joseph McElroy: I was i'm a beekeeper.00:26:17.790 –> 00:26:27.300 Joseph McElroy: Without fantastic I actually learned it I did beekeeping a little bit when I was a kid here in the mountains back she learned to do be pretty good at it in the south bronx in New York City.00:26:27.570 –> 00:26:37.800 Joseph McElroy: Oh, my goodness, I would put bee hives and in Community arts and we were near the at the botanical gardens.00:26:38.190 –> 00:26:38.790 Joseph McElroy: I know.00:26:38.880 –> 00:26:43.530 Joseph McElroy: I got I got all sorts of interesting flavors, but do you work with beekeepers is that.00:26:43.980 –> 00:26:58.200, Laura Lauffer, she/her: yeah absolutely one of our first grants, we made was to Ferguson farms in haywood county and they are 100 year farm, there is a historical farm and Haywood county and.00:26:59.100 –> 00:27:11.880 Laura Lauffer she/her: They started beekeeping, excuse me in 2019, I believe, when we first started and their operation, they are now getting ready to add blanton to their farm.00:27:11.910 –> 00:27:25.440 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah so you can go in and have a beautiful tent on the river and you know hang out in your tub and then go and get on a four-wheeler and go visit the horses and learn about beekeeping.00:27:26.640 –> 00:27:28.680 Laura Lauffer she/her: learn about you know beef production.00:27:29.100 –> 00:27:40.020 Joseph McElroy: I did a lot of education about beekeeping to kids in the bronx in the Community garden so i'm looking to start doing that, here too, because I enjoyed it.00:27:40.410 –> 00:27:48.060 Joseph McElroy: And I have you know I have, I have four year old twins now how am I have a 30-year-old son that four-year-old twins and.00:27:48.600 –> 00:27:54.390 Joseph McElroy: I think I look forward to being able to show them about these things so but I think, making it a part of a program I might even.00:27:54.960 –> 00:28:07.260 Joseph McElroy: You know, I think that I can do, because I figured out how to do it, the Community garden how to have a number of beehives here at the Meadowlark, because you can create beef like you know you create barriers that regulate wearing the bees fly.00:28:07.620 –> 00:28:09.840 Joseph McElroy: Right at the height and everything else, so you can get.00:28:09.840 –> 00:28:12.210 Joseph McElroy: them to fly above people for the most part.00:28:13.440 –> 00:28:20.340 Joseph McElroy: And so that you can have been very densely populated areas, and a lot of you know, and so people didn't know that but I got we got to take another break.00:28:20.400 –> 00:28:23.940 Joseph McElroy: Okay, and then we'll come back and talk more about what you're doing okay.00:28:24.330 –> 00:28:25.230 Laura Lauffer she/her: Okay, thanks.00:30:30.750 –> 00:30:39.090 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts that my guest Laura Lauffer so Laura you know I.00:30:40.140 –> 00:30:56.880 Joseph McElroy: assume I'm a neophyte business person, and you know and it's trying to get into agritourism, and some of the agriculture, how does, how does, how does somebody approached your organization and find out about assistance and special programs and things like that.00:30:58.110 –> 00:31:01.980 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well, just Google empowering mountain food systems and.00:31:03.150 –> 00:31:12.030 Laura Lauffer she/her: You will come up in our homepage will come up and on the right, there's a little purple button that says apply here, and that will take you.00:31:12.510 –> 00:31:30.510 Laura Lauffer she/her: straight into our portal and then you have an appointment with me and I talked to folks about what they're up to and I hook them up with the different resources that they have we have a really cool program right now it's called Advanced business services that are helping.00:31:31.800 –> 00:31:36.660, Laura Lauffer, she/her: Local businesses who are kind of advanced, so we just helped.00:31:37.830 –> 00:31:44.940 Laura Lauffer she/her: Oh valley view farms she's a verbal culture operation, do you know what permaculture is.00:31:44.970 –> 00:31:46.140 Joseph McElroy: No, I have no idea.00:31:46.350 –> 00:31:48.210 Laura Lauffer she/her: permaculture is worm farming.00:31:48.600 –> 00:31:51.270 Joseph McElroy: Oh wow for me, but yeah.00:31:51.480 –> 00:32:04.980 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah and she has an amazing worm farming operation, and so we assisted her with her new logo and her sign she has classes at her farm she's actually teaching a class Mary Ann Smith.00:32:06.240 –> 00:32:09.480 Laura Lauffer she/her: August 2 and clay county.00:32:10.200 –> 00:32:11.640 Laura Lauffer she/her: So she's at the haywood.00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:21.300 Laura Lauffer she/her: county historic farmers market every Saturday selling worm castings which is worm poop and it's just some of the most rich.00:32:23.010 –> 00:32:38.100 Laura Lauffer she/her: fertilizer you can use you really need to only use a very little so anyhow so that's a an example of a client we just helped and we're helping bear waters brewing there and Maggie.00:32:39.060 –> 00:32:48.750 Laura Lauffer she/her: They want to expand purchasing local products and so will be helping them with some refrigeration so that they can refrigerate more local products.00:32:48.840 –> 00:32:54.630 Joseph McElroy: Oh fabulous now do you offer do you offer education classes things training things like that.00:32:55.290 –> 00:33:03.390 Laura Lauffer she/her: that's mostly left to extension and one of our key partners in this project is the small business centers.00:33:04.230 –> 00:33:18.450 Laura Lauffer she/her: Every Community college in the state hosts a small business Center offering free business counseling and so, because this is an economic development project we really focus on that business side of of agriculture.00:33:19.290 –> 00:33:30.360 Laura Lauffer she/her: And we partner with with each small business Center so there and haywood county we partner with haywood Community college and Ashley swagger to have classes there.00:33:31.380 –> 00:33:37.470 Laura Lauffer she/her: But extension, and you know you're so fortunate here we've got mills river Research Station.00:33:38.220 –> 00:33:54.990 Laura Lauffer she/her: nearby and the mountain horticulture Research Station is on raccoon road there and haywood county and just they you know, keep keep in touch with them and their calendar and your local extension office so that's that they do that technical training piece.00:33:55.470 –> 00:34:00.720 Joseph McElroy: yeah that's that's cutting this nice i've been i've been noticing that there are some things out here we go cuz.00:34:01.980 –> 00:34:11.910 Joseph McElroy: I know pretty much what to do with beekeeping, but in terms of actually you know what the neck how to evolve a farm is now is not something i've ever done before.00:34:13.260 –> 00:34:13.650 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah.00:34:13.710 –> 00:34:24.420 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well, you gotta you gotta come up with a marketing plan, like any good business, you know, come up with your dear cost benefit analysis and figure out if you're making money or losing money and.00:34:26.250 –> 00:34:28.260 Laura Lauffer she/her: And kind of go from there.00:34:28.530 –> 00:34:35.970 Joseph McElroy: Well, I think my my challenge is, I mean i've been doing a lot of marketing, so my challenge, though, is actually, how do you grow the best stuff.00:34:37.290 –> 00:34:38.190 Joseph McElroy: Right yeah.00:34:38.280 –> 00:34:39.840 Laura Lauffer she/her: Well, you start with good soil.00:34:39.930 –> 00:34:42.600 Joseph McElroy: Good soil and the worm sounds like a good addition.00:34:42.630 –> 00:34:44.070 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah yeah.00:34:44.280 –> 00:34:50.130 Joseph McElroy: yeah i've been using I think mushroom based stuff or or beef of based stuff right.00:34:50.520 –> 00:34:57.510 Laura Lauffer she/her: Nice nice yeah we're we're blessed with fantastic wild mushroom foraging in this region.00:34:58.320 –> 00:35:04.650 Joseph McElroy: So you've mentioned a few agriculture agritourism business examples around the area.00:35:05.760 –> 00:35:10.710 Joseph McElroy: I think there's also another one, you probably know about darnell farms over swaying county.00:35:10.800 –> 00:35:21.090 Laura Lauffer she/her: Right yeah yeah the Dardanelles are fantastic partners in our in our work and I always highlight them when I do teach a marketing class because.00:35:21.480 –> 00:35:33.330 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know I encourage anybody to go to the darnell farm is Facebook page because they do live video all the time and and one of the best ones I saw was on.00:35:34.440 –> 00:35:42.330 Laura Lauffer she/her: They went out in the field picked a tomato sliced it put it between two pieces of wonder bread with semantics and.00:35:42.330 –> 00:35:44.640 Joseph McElroy: Probably good old southern Mayo and.00:35:45.150 –> 00:35:47.700 Laura Lauffer she/her: It was just running down his.00:35:47.700 –> 00:35:48.330 Laura Lauffer she/her: hand and he.00:35:49.350 –> 00:35:50.700 Laura Lauffer she/her: And he was loving it.00:35:51.060 –> 00:35:54.960 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know just folks just lined up for miles to count on your sandwich.00:35:55.230 –> 00:35:59.280 Joseph McElroy: I eat a tomato sandwich about every every other week I love it to me.00:36:01.080 –> 00:36:09.210 Joseph McElroy: So I put mine on yeah wheat bread, I put spinach on the right, you know i'm a little bit more elaborate still but the basis of it is still tomato mail on.00:36:10.350 –> 00:36:10.620 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:36:11.700 –> 00:36:24.840 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah they're fantastic Community members, they support a lot of food pantries they're great place to work, and it really is a fun event venue with live music or river.00:36:25.950 –> 00:36:31.500 Laura Lauffer she/her: Picking pumpkins and strawberries and hayride so that that is a lot of fun and.00:36:33.420 –> 00:36:36.810 Joseph McElroy: So uh so any other places that you think.00:36:37.140 –> 00:36:38.790 Laura Lauffer she/her: highlight that are really great yes.00:36:38.910 –> 00:36:40.650 Laura Lauffer she/her: Yes, there's a new one.00:36:41.040 –> 00:37:00.420 Laura Lauffer she/her: And I just found out today i'm a with from appalachian sustainable LIFE project, which is a sister organization they're having a farm tour this year that will have a few stops and haywood county and they're going to go to smoky mountain manga least talk about a mouthful.00:37:01.740 –> 00:37:09.150 Laura Lauffer she/her: So the manga least a pig is the cutest pig it's a pig with with tight tight curly hair.00:37:09.540 –> 00:37:09.780 Joseph McElroy: But it.00:37:09.840 –> 00:37:15.030 Laura Lauffer she/her: Has like the highest fat content, the large chefs love it.00:37:15.120 –> 00:37:27.930 Laura Lauffer she/her: love it love it so but during cove it, you know things changed for them and they lived on a beautiful piece of land with the river and people wanted to Camp so like well let's try camping.00:37:28.410 –> 00:37:29.310 Laura Lauffer she/her: And so they.00:37:29.850 –> 00:37:38.820 Laura Lauffer she/her: I believe their platform is hip camp hai PC emp is kind of like an airbnb for farmers who have land.00:37:39.090 –> 00:37:39.450 Laura Lauffer she/her: So you.00:37:39.510 –> 00:37:51.900 Laura Lauffer she/her: roll up in your camper you roll up with your tent and you have this beautiful experience on a farm So yes, smoky mountain manga Lisa and you can buy some amazing pork chops while you're there.00:37:52.320 –> 00:38:10.380 Joseph McElroy: Oh that's that's pretty cool yeah i'm looking at putting some yeah some cabins are clapping out and I earned us now, because now, I have the whole facility to do all the management and all that so yeah It makes sense, where do you see the future of tourism in the next few years.00:38:11.670 –> 00:38:22.200 Laura Lauffer she/her: I think i'm ECO tourism for sure i'm talking about sustainability and one of the really exciting things that's happening.00:38:22.680 –> 00:38:28.230 Laura Lauffer she/her: In agriculture is carbon sequestration is you know, recognizing farmers.00:38:28.860 –> 00:38:40.800 Laura Lauffer she/her: As a solution to climate change, and not a problem for climate change, and so you know going and seeing you know what are these sustainability measures, you can take with your cattle.00:38:41.490 –> 00:38:47.700 Laura Lauffer she/her: and your pastures, how can we, you know, can you know use practices that.00:38:48.390 –> 00:39:00.210 Laura Lauffer she/her: create a better habitat for birds and pollinators things like that so i'm hopeful that consumers will will want to do that and take your children to see you know you and.00:39:00.780 –> 00:39:10.080 Laura Lauffer she/her: I took some nutrition students to interview some farmers and they had no idea that I think that potatoes grew into ground.00:39:10.350 –> 00:39:19.500 Laura Lauffer she/her: Or that you know I know the first time I saw how Brussels sprouts sprouts grew I was like oh wow that's kind of cool that they grow on a stock.00:39:19.770 –> 00:39:32.640 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah um yeah it's fun and you know we have these beautiful rivers and all of this, recreation, so what I would like to see is folks combine you know come out.00:39:33.360 –> 00:39:44.700 Laura Lauffer she/her: enjoy the River enjoy the mountains and leave maybe leave some of your resources behind leave some of your money behind with a local farm that conserves that beauty that you love to see.00:39:45.210 –> 00:40:01.110 Joseph McElroy: Right, I think it's a great idea for children, you know that used to be the children were a big mainstay of tourism here and haywood county but because he had the ghost town in the sky, but you know now research shows that hey the predominance demographic now comes out as over 45 right.00:40:01.410 –> 00:40:02.820 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah the motorcycle people.00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:12.510 Joseph McElroy: The motorcycle people and you got the pet friendly crowd you've got the hikers and you got but, in general, there there there it's an older demographic now so but.00:40:13.230 –> 00:40:23.430 Joseph McElroy: Since coven we're starting to see families come out and I think having things like agritourism, where they learn a lot of stuff go going from penny.00:40:23.850 –> 00:40:37.890 Joseph McElroy: petting sheep to you know, seeing how things grow to you know camping I think those are all great visions for do for really vital revitalizing tourism across the board.00:40:38.490 –> 00:40:40.110 Joseph McElroy: I also I also saw that you.00:40:40.320 –> 00:40:48.450 Joseph McElroy: You encourage diversity i've been doing a lot of work involving women in pursuing the field So how do you do that, and what do you do for them.00:40:49.410 –> 00:40:59.250 Laura Lauffer she/her: I really don't have to do anything for them, they are leaders in the field, and they are dynamic savvy business people.00:41:00.990 –> 00:41:16.200 Laura Lauffer she/her: So they don't really require any extra attention any extra programming I just you know I work to serve them the way I serve anybody else I did write an article for smoky mountain news a couple years ago about.00:41:17.310 –> 00:41:29.160 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know the dynamism of women in agriculture in the region and katie from katie's orchard Patricia Taylor told a story about being with a few women that went to the apple meetings.00:41:30.030 –> 00:41:38.490 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know, years ago, and that the male apple farmers are kind of like looking at her about speaking up and she's like i'm here to learn.00:41:39.270 –> 00:41:50.640 Laura Lauffer she/her: And and she's an amazing amazing farmer, I absolutely recommend you go by katie's orchard in canton and you can pick apples and pears and blackberries and blueberries and.00:41:51.180 –> 00:42:08.730 Laura Lauffer she/her: Get jam and honey and so that's another another great asset at katie and so she she's a leader, she counsels other farmers and yeah women, women are natural leaders, and so they don't need me for much.00:42:09.120 –> 00:42:19.350 Joseph McElroy: But sometimes they have unique challenges I mean maybe not as much as they used to, but like my grandmother when she moved here back in the 40s 50s he became like the first one is broker.00:42:20.130 –> 00:42:29.880 Joseph McElroy: State of North Carolina but they would let her open her own bank account to her husband came in and open it yeah is there any unique challenges that women face down the an agritourism.00:42:30.570 –> 00:42:40.650 Joseph McElroy: No oh good all right cool all right, well, we have to take another break and then we'll come back we'll finish up with you know some some things you want to make people aware of.00:42:41.070 –> 00:42:42.420 Laura Lauffer she/her: Okay excellent Thank you.00:44:43.980 –> 00:44:54.780 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcast my guest is Laura Laufer so Laura, you know my business that's funded my.00:44:55.560 –> 00:45:07.050 Joseph McElroy: This move them into the back end of my childhood home and this motel and things originated in marketing and you know, a big part of what we do is content storytelling.00:45:07.590 –> 00:45:14.010 Joseph McElroy: And and and we've built the Meadowlark you know we tripled revenue tripled things through storytelling essentially through.00:45:14.430 –> 00:45:27.420 Joseph McElroy: The mountain heritage is the common theme throughout what we do so, I noticed that you emphasize storytelling in your agritourism businesses as a way to build it what, what do you, what do you tell them.00:45:28.470 –> 00:45:40.440 Laura Lauffer she/her: Absolutely, I mean that's what you know you clinch folks with you know this goat is named Beatrice after my grandma because my grandma was hard-headed and this goat.00:45:40.740 –> 00:45:52.950 Laura Lauffer she/her: is hard-headed and that's why we call her Beatrice well how is she hard-headed well she's hard headed to because she figured out how to get out of the fence, and you know, and you just go on and tell that story about.00:45:53.850 –> 00:46:04.350 Laura Lauffer she/her: About unique things about your farm and, like you, you know you're talking about your grandmother, you know, especially if it's a heritage farm let folks know you know how long.00:46:04.710 –> 00:46:14.460 Laura Lauffer she/her: Has this been here, this is why we're here, this is why we do that, and you know it can be as simple as the story of where your food comes from you know, like.00:46:14.880 –> 00:46:32.970 Laura Lauffer she/her: Oh, you enjoy bread, do you know that bread comes from wheat, and this is where we grow wheat in western North Carolina and wheat can also be used for this, and so so contextualizing agriculture so folks understand what it means to their everyday life.00:46:33.990 –> 00:46:39.120 Joseph McElroy: that's cool that's cool they know I that's yeah that's what we tell people.00:46:40.320 –> 00:46:47.970 Joseph McElroy: When they're wanting to do things in social media like tick tock and stuff like that and Instagram it's all about telling a narrative right.00:46:48.750 –> 00:46:58.680 Joseph McElroy: about telling the story yeah and so that's you know that's the way to help people a lot I think in terms of get their story out there.00:46:59.790 –> 00:47:09.600 Laura Lauffer she/her: We say on when folks do social media on Facebook, that it should be the content should be 80% storytelling and 20% selling.00:47:09.900 –> 00:47:13.710 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know, you know it's like oh here's pictures of.00:47:14.340 –> 00:47:30.150 Laura Lauffer she/her: You know, we want the best picture of your child eating a strawberry from our strawberry patch you get thousands of pictures of kids with strawberry all over their face and people love it and then you say Oh, by the way, you know still pick in until dark until August it.00:47:30.480 –> 00:47:38.130 Joseph McElroy: You know cool so um, how do you define the ideal farm to table Program.00:47:38.700 –> 00:47:41.160 Laura Lauffer she/her: Oh that's a good one um.00:47:42.450 –> 00:47:52.650 Laura Lauffer she/her: When the chef works with the farmer, before anything goes into the ground, and so you know say chef is reading.00:47:53.790 –> 00:48:04.470 Laura Lauffer she/her: So fancy culinary you know fine dining magazine, and he sees this beautiful ready CIO and he's like I want that you know, on my plate, it looks beautiful.00:48:04.800 –> 00:48:16.710 Laura Lauffer she/her: So he and his the farmer that he works with they sit down with maybe the Johnny seed catalog and and they're talking about it and they're like okay well i'll try it i'll plant simply, you will see how that goes.00:48:17.190 –> 00:48:27.060 Laura Lauffer she/her: And it is a relationship like that it's it's truly creativity on both ends and you know the chef has to have some.00:48:28.050 –> 00:48:41.850 Laura Lauffer she/her: expectations and understanding of the challenges of disease water, you know things that happen that some things can go wrong, but it's truly truly a relationship, you know the chef is visiting the farm.00:48:43.080 –> 00:49:02.670 Laura Lauffer she/her: The farmers going in to have a great meal at the restaurant, so that is absolutely the ideal where the the chef's menu like here in Silva El de is a fantastic example they changed their menu every couple of weeks to what's what's what's fresh and what's coming in the door.00:49:03.570 –> 00:49:11.160 Joseph McElroy: that's I mean yeah the when you're doing the farming you'd have to you have to you have to deal with the dynamics of what's available.00:49:11.700 –> 00:49:15.390 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah well everybody's got yellow squash in my.00:49:16.740 –> 00:49:24.270 Laura Lauffer she/her: Maybe plant, you know, a different kind of beat instead so you have to be smart like that.00:49:24.690 –> 00:49:28.230 Joseph McElroy: Right or come up with unique recipes for yellow squash.00:49:29.070 –> 00:49:30.510 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah.00:49:30.720 –> 00:49:32.160 Laura Lauffer she/her: I think they're out there somewhere.00:49:32.640 –> 00:49:37.110 Joseph McElroy: Well i'm i'm loving yellow squash soup cream soup.00:49:38.880 –> 00:49:39.390 Joseph McElroy: it's good.00:49:41.010 –> 00:49:42.000 Joseph McElroy: So, but.00:49:47.160 –> 00:49:47.460 Joseph McElroy: You.00:49:48.720 –> 00:49:49.050 Joseph McElroy: You.00:49:50.970 –> 00:49:55.710 Joseph McElroy: You sorry I lost my place in my my questions here so.00:49:57.240 –> 00:50:02.760 Joseph McElroy: So you have a website right what's the website again you just say Google is easiest way.00:50:03.120 –> 00:50:06.570 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah empowering mountain foods.org I believe.00:50:06.840 –> 00:50:16.620 Laura Lauffer she/her: Okay i'm done and there's two other websites I wanted folks to be aware of that, I hope we can put on the Facebook page one is the visit nc farms APP.00:50:17.190 –> 00:50:26.400 Laura Lauffer she/her: So this is an APP sponsored by the North Carolina Department of Agriculture and in haywood county it's sponsored by cooperative extension.00:50:27.090 –> 00:50:37.230 Laura Lauffer she/her: And bunkum county it's sponsored by soil and water and in Jackson county it's funded by the tourism development authority and so.00:50:37.620 –> 00:50:47.730 Laura Lauffer she/her: You download this APP and wherever you're driving in North Carolina you can you know type in you know alpaca farm or strawberries, and it will come up.00:50:48.090 –> 00:51:02.730 Laura Lauffer she/her: With the map hours what's available, so the visit nc farms APP and then the other one i'm super excited about, especially for your out of town folks is vacation or supported agriculture and.00:51:04.260 –> 00:51:08.880 Laura Lauffer she/her: I put that link in the chat so I don't quite remember that I hope i'm not messing this up.00:51:09.390 –> 00:51:20.400 Laura Lauffer she/her: So P one provisions visit and see smokies and so hopefully we can put that in the in the stream and what's so exciting about this is before you get to town.00:51:20.910 –> 00:51:32.670 Laura Lauffer she/her: and say you're staying in a cabin and you would like a bag of fresh freshly picked produce from a farm right down the road and.00:51:33.450 –> 00:51:45.780 Laura Lauffer she/her: And haywood county it's mark mcdonough at mighty know mark and Danielle at mighty known and Christine Christine braswell of outlaw acres so these two farmers are supplying.00:51:46.890 –> 00:51:58.200 Laura Lauffer she/her: Visitors with a beautiful bag of produce eggs and flowers and it's there for them to pick up at bear waters brewery in bosu wine shop in waynesville when they get to town.00:51:58.740 –> 00:52:01.980 Joseph McElroy: So those are the waters with the cannon or the one advantage.00:52:02.280 –> 00:52:03.150 Laura Lauffer she/her: The one in Maggie.00:52:03.480 –> 00:52:04.530 Joseph McElroy: Really yeah.00:52:04.860 –> 00:52:13.500 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah so yeah we met with Kevin he's really excited to support us he's a big supporter of of local farmers.00:52:14.010 –> 00:52:17.520 Joseph McElroy: piggy backs have to have that list so they'd have this produce while they're here.00:52:17.760 –> 00:52:19.080 Joseph McElroy: yeah what to say.00:52:20.160 –> 00:52:20.430 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah.00:52:21.000 –> 00:52:24.630 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know we have Kevin tier two middle of we should talk to bear waters and.00:52:24.840 –> 00:52:37.770 Laura Lauffer she/her: Absolutely yeah you will send you the link and when some for all your folks who are coming in August, you can go ahead and send them the link and say hey do you want to pick up a bag of produce here you go.00:52:38.340 –> 00:52:39.420 Joseph McElroy: Oh that's a great yeah.00:52:39.510 –> 00:52:46.800 Laura Lauffer she/her: It is it's a it's happening it's been happening at nc state sponsored program it's been happening on the coast, for five years.00:52:47.250 –> 00:52:48.300 Joseph McElroy: and pay for it right.00:52:48.720 –> 00:52:49.230 Joseph McElroy: Oh yeah.00:52:49.500 –> 00:52:52.170 Laura Lauffer she/her: Oh yeah I believe it's $45 a bag.00:52:53.310 –> 00:53:10.170 Laura Lauffer she/her: And you get your own you know kick insulated pooler carrier and haywood county and Jackson county are pioneers in western North Carolina it's been happening on the coast, for five years, so we were really appreciative.00:53:10.560 –> 00:53:16.740 Joseph McElroy: Well it's great I mean anybody out there, doing airbnb should seriously seriously think about this, you can wait.00:53:17.490 –> 00:53:18.810 Joseph McElroy: For your clients right.00:53:18.840 –> 00:53:21.000 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah I can I can hook them up.00:53:21.300 –> 00:53:21.690 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:53:22.020 –> 00:53:29.040 Laura Lauffer she/her: We just met with some airbnb owners last week and they're very, very excited about this.00:53:29.310 –> 00:53:34.380 Joseph McElroy: Well, oh yeah I mean I like the idea I like the idea is, we could put in our cabin.00:53:34.710 –> 00:53:38.340 Joseph McElroy: yeah we actually go pick it up for them and have it there when they arrived.00:53:38.400 –> 00:53:40.290 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah that'd be great right down the road.00:53:40.500 –> 00:53:46.530 Joseph McElroy: You know, right down the road from us so cool so everybody out there Miller moto soon gonna have produce available in the rooms, where you go.00:53:49.290 –> 00:53:52.980 Joseph McElroy: cool any other any other thing you want to shout out before I close up.00:53:53.910 –> 00:54:06.270 Laura Lauffer she/her: Just you know go to your local farmers market check them out um when you go and eat out at a restaurant ask them do you have any local products on your menu.00:54:07.170 –> 00:54:25.920 Laura Lauffer she/her: This really is up to, we as consumers to drive the markets to these farms, I mean we we drive around the smokies we see these beautiful venues, and some of them are venues that are beautiful because farmers are being conservation minded and keeping land and production.00:54:26.250 –> 00:54:28.560 Laura Lauffer she/her: So, so I say eat your view.00:54:29.160 –> 00:54:32.190 Joseph McElroy: yeah cool well Thank you so much for being on my show.00:54:32.250 –> 00:54:37.560 Joseph McElroy: it's planning, I want to talk further I will go to your website do the application to come talk to you.00:54:37.830 –> 00:54:42.330 Laura Lauffer she/her: yeah we have a little bit of funding left we're really excited about it.00:54:42.330 –> 00:54:43.080 Joseph McElroy: So oh.00:54:43.950 –> 00:54:55.140 Joseph McElroy: yeah Thank you so this is the gateway the smoke these podcasts were streamed live on facebook@facebook.com slash gateway to the smoke these podcasts every Friday every.00:54:55.920 –> 00:55:04.350 Joseph McElroy: Every Tuesday at six to seven it's also in the talk radio dot nyc network, which is a network of live podcasts every day.00:55:04.920 –> 00:55:17.670 Joseph McElroy: ranging from help for small business to sell help to pet help to any number of subjects and it's very dynamic, because every podcast is live, so I recommend you take a look at what are the offerings they have and it's.00:55:18.300 –> 00:55:22.020 Joseph McElroy: it's it's a good network, you can also find all the old.00:55:22.740 –> 00:55:32.370 Joseph McElroy: episodes for this organized long transcripts on the smokies adventure COM site you go there and there's a link at the top, for the gateway to the smoke these podcasts and.00:55:32.910 –> 00:55:44.820 Joseph McElroy: I look forward to you coming and listening to us again next week I think we're about to take a month off so it'd be rerun for a month and a half until September but I'll be back in September with new shows and new.00:55:45.300 –> 00:55:50.850 Joseph McElroy: New people to talk to as well, some old friends and old subjects to go over again.00:55:51.870 –> 00:55:54.630 Joseph McElroy: So until next time, thank you for listening.

Guest: SARAH BRYANWHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN? Tune in as you'll learn about how folklife preservation is manifested in building community and cultural engagement through the rich culture of North Carolina.EPISODE SUMMARY: In today's episode, Joseph is joined by our special guest Sarah Bryan, who is the Executive Director of the North Carolina Folklife Institute, an organization that for more than four decades has been dedicated to the preservation, appreciation, and understanding of folklife heritage and culture in North Carolina. Sarah will share with us the importance of preserving cultural heritage, the amazing work that NC Folklife does in the community, and what it's like to be a writer and a musician.https://sarah-bryan.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahbryannc/https://twitter.com/sarahbryan‍EPISODE QUOTE: “ That makes it all the more essential for organizations like both of ours to create these opportunities whenever we can to help young people find out about traditions in their communities.”  Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTESSEGMENT 1Bryan spent most of her childhood in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She can trace back her lineage all the way back to colonial times in both Carolinas. She fondly describes her mother as a busy historical fiction writer.SEGMENT 2She got a lucky break with the NC Folklife Institute shortly after her graduation form grad school. Her first job was in the Arts Directory. Bryan was also a fiddler player starting in her teens. She got the opportunity to play on stage with Chris Brashear. Bryan goes into detail about her bumpy and exciting experience performing with him in front of a live audience.SEGMENT 3Bryan was one of the co-authors for African American Music Trails of Eastern North Carolina. It was about the history and tradition of black music in the 80s in North Carolina. She is currently co-authoring a book about historical Southern traditional pottery. Despite being a vegetarian she interviewed Mr.Stami and Mr.Monk from Greensboro and Lexington about barbecue pits at their restaurants. Bryan's favorite festival is Mount Airy Fiddlers Convention.SEGMENT 4She aims to educate younger members of the community to find out about traditions through elder artists and storytellers. One of the programs providing that support is the Junior Appalachian Musicians. The Blue Ridge Heritage Trail is a project Bryan hopes to revisit to give artists the ability to promote themselves.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:37.980 –> 00:00:45.720 Joseph McElroy: Welcome to the gateway to the smokies podcast this podcast is about America's most visited National Park.00:00:46.170 –> 00:00:58.980 Joseph McElroy: The Great Smoky Mountain National Park and the surrounding towns there's areas filled with ancient natural beauty a deep storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes.00:00:59.520 –> 00:01:10.830 Joseph McElroy: I'm Joseph Franklyn McElroy man of the world, but also deep roots in these mountains my family is living the great smoky for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:11.610 –> 00:01:18.420 Joseph McElroy: Today we're going to talk about the North Carolina folklife it's to with director Sarah Brian but, first a few messages.00:01:19.710 –> 00:01:29.640 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place evocative of the motor court of the past a modern environment with a Chic Appalachian feels, a place for adventure and for relaxation.00:01:30.210 –> 00:01:39.090 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain heritage trout stream grill the catch in a fire accompanied by a fine wine or craft beers.00:01:39.570 –> 00:01:52.500 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sound, there is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel Maggie Valley North Carolina your smoky mountain adventures start with where you stay.00:01:54.210 –> 00:02:06.720 Joseph McElroy: The smoky mountains and surrounding area is a vacation destination for all sees some of the nation's best hiking trails waterfalls outdoor adventures and family entertainment to be found, right here.00:02:07.500 –> 00:02:18.240 Joseph McElroy: start your adventure by using smokies adventure calm smokies plural adventure calm to explore all the wonderful features of the great smoky mountains natural part.00:02:18.750 –> 00:02:25.110 Joseph McElroy: You know, get trail maps and find out about waterfalls and kids coven elk, and much more.00:02:25.590 –> 00:02:35.220 Joseph McElroy: And then check out all the awesome family attractions and entertainment, you and your entire family can enjoy and all of the smoky mountain and surrounding areas.00:02:35.790 –> 00:02:43.110 Joseph McElroy: The goal of smokies adventures become the leading information portal for adventures and experiences and the great smoky mountain.00:02:45.000 –> 00:02:46.350 Joseph McElroy: There are some events coming up.00:02:47.850 –> 00:03:02.190 Joseph McElroy: Well, first one, I will talk to you about his music and it's called smoking BLU Ray and it's on July 23 third at 6 pm it's a blue smoky blue rain is a trio of led by.00:03:04.890 –> 00:03:19.230 Joseph McElroy: With the three music great musicians land Graham Fillmore and Amos Jackson, their brand of American amuses music is an infectious blend of folk light rock blues jazz that touch traditional country.00:03:20.130 –> 00:03:24.930 Joseph McElroy: They met through a mutual friend and from the very force nope realize that they had something special.00:03:25.980 –> 00:03:36.210 Joseph McElroy: So we're going to have that event on on a Saturday night on July 23 at the pavilion on the back porch pavilion is the back end and the back.00:03:37.020 –> 00:03:48.120 Joseph McElroy: recreation area, the metal art motel we have a sort of a wonderful performance venue and we're also going to free Barbecue and.00:03:48.870 –> 00:04:01.770 Joseph McElroy: And and and there'll be music after the show to up until whatever the night provides so admission is free for hotel guests and heritage club members and it's $10 for all others.00:04:03.090 –> 00:04:13.680 Joseph McElroy: As you need to do an rsvp so call eight to 8926171 second one seven to get your tickets again eight to 89261717.00:04:14.790 –> 00:04:35.340 Joseph McElroy: Now some of you have heard about tick tock and and and and Instagram especially tick tock and a local guy here named Zeb who's part of the Jay Jay creek cloggers is gone viral with hundreds of millions of views, for his clogging style.00:04:37.230 –> 00:04:50.730 Joseph McElroy: And so the Meadowlark Smoky Mountain Heritage Center in the Meadowlark Motel proudly announced a heritage event that features an evening of dinner and then dancing from the legendary J Creek Cloggers.00:04:51.390 –> 00:05:01.740 Joseph McElroy: featuring Zeb Ross on Saturday night July 30 and started again the Night starts with a delicious Barbecue dinner at six and then column.00:05:02.160 –> 00:05:15.390 Joseph McElroy: cook culminates with a rollicking performance by the jquery clockers at 7:30 pm they will perform multiple examples of traditional mountain dancing as well as teach the audience several fun dance steps.00:05:16.380 –> 00:05:25.890 Joseph McElroy: group leader Kim Rasa was here a week or so go on on our podcast and will also give a short talk on the history and traditions, of a mountain man.00:05:26.490 –> 00:05:33.720 Joseph McElroy: grab your partner and come and join us for a memorable fun-filled classic mountain heritage evening of dining and dancing.00:05:34.230 –> 00:05:41.100 Joseph McElroy: admission is free for hotel guests and heritage members and $20 per person for folks not staying in a hotel.00:05:41.550 –> 00:05:58.320 Joseph McElroy: Could you know, give us a call at 828-926-1717 to reserve your room or just to get a ticket to the dinner and dance this week's classic old old mountain type dancehall stuff and you can have a great time and then it'll be put up on tick tock maybe we'll go viral good.00:06:00.060 –> 00:06:05.340 Joseph McElroy: Now the big news is on August 12 through the 13th there's going to be a songwriters camp.00:06:05.760 –> 00:06:20.580 Joseph McElroy: That features Grammy award-winning artist Jim Lauderdale and Charles hunter the third law with Ward winning artists, they are Nicholson clay mills and Charles Chamberlain it's a two-day event of interactive songwriting instruction.00:06:21.810 –> 00:06:32.820 Joseph McElroy: With world-class and you'll get a DEMO tape produced for your participation for your what you write what you perform and then also be a concert.00:06:33.330 –> 00:06:49.620 Joseph McElroy: By the song from the road band on Friday night and then again a Barbecue dinner and an all star concept with all those artists, on Saturday night, this is an event like you'll never get your life to Jim lauderdale we wrote, most of the hits first artists like Jim George strait and.00:06:50.640 –> 00:07:00.540 Joseph McElroy: Charles Humphrey is a grammy award-winning himself and has done some major songs it's just it's going to be incredible you can learn a lot, the price is 675.00:07:00.960 –> 00:07:10.470 Joseph McElroy: per person includes all the activities that DEMO tape and the concerts and the dinners and everything else, and under special rooms available for you you're not from the area.00:07:10.830 –> 00:07:29.220 Joseph McElroy: And you can call 8289261717 to get the details to get yourself a room get yourself a ticket and come on and there's just also for people just want to come to concerts there are concert tickets available as well again call eight to 89261717.00:07:31.260 –> 00:07:36.870 Joseph McElroy: So today we're going to talk about the new North Carolina Folklife Institute and the Director of that is Sarah Bryan.00:07:38.550 –> 00:07:39.120 Joseph McElroy: And it's.00:07:40.410 –> 00:07:50.550 Joseph McElroy: The folklife institute's organization that for more than four decades has been dedicated to the preservation of appreciation and understanding of folklife heritage and culture in North Carolina.00:07:51.300 –> 00:08:05.100 Joseph McElroy: Sarah is an accomplished writer author and musician she was also the editor to notable old-time music publications and enjoys collecting old 78 rpm lps and supporting animal welfare.00:08:05.790 –> 00:08:18.390 Joseph McElroy: she's a tar heel basketball and New York mets baseball fan she lives in Durham North Carolina with her family and then it has a pack of dogs and cats to support her efforts hello, Sarah how you doing.00:08:18.510 –> 00:08:20.370 Sarah Bryan: hey I'm doing good, how are you.00:08:20.760 –> 00:08:31.410 Joseph McElroy: Fine I'm doing good hey listen I'm not going to hold it against you, that you're a tar heel born and bred but yeah since I went to do, but you do live in Durham so you gotta live in enemy territory right.00:08:31.500 –> 00:08:35.550 Sarah Bryan: I live about three blocks from campus so I have to represent extra hard for the.00:08:35.550 –> 00:08:36.450 Sarah Bryan: target was the air.00:08:36.570 –> 00:08:38.730 Joseph McElroy: All right, which is the West campus.00:08:38.820 –> 00:08:42.150 Joseph McElroy: escape and so you're like near downtown right.00:08:42.240 –> 00:08:44.400 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah quite close yeah it all sounds.00:08:44.790 –> 00:08:47.970 Joseph McElroy: cool there has become a little bit of a foodie town right, just like national.00:08:48.240 –> 00:08:55.770 Sarah Bryan: It really is It reminds me a lot of Asheville yeah and just a huge number of people moving here every year.00:08:56.220 –> 00:08:56.850 Joseph McElroy: Oh yeah.00:08:57.420 –> 00:08:58.110 Sarah Bryan: Look asheville.00:08:58.410 –> 00:09:05.160 Joseph McElroy: After Duke I lived in Durham for about seven years and I enjoyed it very much you know it's a cool little town.00:09:06.240 –> 00:09:06.930 Joseph McElroy: you're busy north.00:09:06.960 –> 00:09:10.470 Joseph McElroy: Carolina you want to go across the whole state, you know I say Wilmington.00:09:12.000 –> 00:09:16.650 Joseph McElroy: Durham and then national and then, of course, Maggie valley for the small town experience.00:09:17.730 –> 00:09:18.150 Sarah Bryan: sure.00:09:18.570 –> 00:09:25.440 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool we're especially excited to talk to you about you, your role in the North Carolina folklife Institute.00:09:25.860 –> 00:09:39.600 Joseph McElroy: As you, as we have we share many of the same core beliefs and with the Heritage Center and at the motel first let's learn a little bit more about you, you and you have an interesting background and amazing resume.00:09:41.160 –> 00:09:47.340 Joseph McElroy: So you were born in myrtle beach South Carolina has How was it like being born in a beach town.00:09:48.690 –> 00:09:52.860 Sarah Bryan: Yes, but most of my childhood myrtle beach and.00:09:54.000 –> 00:09:56.850 Sarah Bryan: You know when you're born into play, or I was, I was actually.00:09:58.170 –> 00:10:11.490 Sarah Bryan: We moved there when I was two weeks old, but my father's family going back many generations is from that little part of South Carolina and myrtle beach in particular, and I think when you grow up in a place like that you kind of don't know how weird it is.00:10:11.910 –> 00:10:20.550 Sarah Bryan: yeah I know, I have a friend who is a childhood friend, we were talking years after we both left myrtle beach about.00:10:21.420 –> 00:10:31.680 Sarah Bryan: What it's like to be from somewhere like that, and she pointed out that it gives you kind of an altered sense of reality if you grow up like down the street from Ripley's, believe it or not.00:10:34.320 –> 00:10:36.750 Sarah Bryan: giant fiberglass octopus statues.00:10:37.650 –> 00:10:46.830 Joseph McElroy: Oh, you know growing up in a little tourist and I sort of get an idea of what she did you know, and you know from Duke we always went to myrtle beach after yeah for the spring break it was like.00:10:47.310 –> 00:10:55.800 Joseph McElroy: You know how how how bad can replace be when yeah you can take a back road and find all you can eat seafood place in the middle of nowhere.00:10:58.380 –> 00:11:01.110 Joseph McElroy: And you paid a paid as you went in because they.00:11:02.190 –> 00:11:04.260 Joseph McElroy: expect you to just stay there till your fault.00:11:06.090 –> 00:11:12.870 Joseph McElroy: But you also spend some time and grew up the Carolinas in Virginia beach Virginia what were those.00:11:13.560 –> 00:11:31.200 Sarah Bryan: yeah well I'm most of my family going back you know since early colonial times have been in the Carolinas both Carolinas and um when I was about nine we moved up to northern Virginia, which is where my mother grew up and.00:11:32.340 –> 00:11:35.370 Sarah Bryan: I missed the Carolinas badly when I lived there.00:11:35.520 –> 00:11:46.770 Sarah Bryan: Especially in the springtime but because you know just that little bit of geographical distance makes all the dust all the difference in a climate when the flowers come out and when it gets warm.00:11:47.640 –> 00:11:54.360 Sarah Bryan: It was a great place to spend my teens and my college years, so I feel fortunate to have been up there.00:11:55.080 –> 00:12:04.770 Joseph McElroy: With your parents surely must have influenced your love of history writing your mom is a distinguished author publisher story or own right, what can you say about that.00:12:05.970 –> 00:12:19.140 Sarah Bryan: yeah my mom is a wonderful writer her name is Christina freeman Brian and she is she has had an interesting career just 72 now and lives with me and my husband here in Durham and.00:12:20.310 –> 00:12:22.680 Sarah Bryan: yeah she went to Carolina and.00:12:23.700 –> 00:12:39.600 Sarah Bryan: studied originally to be a medievalist medieval Latin is her specialty from college and but has done all sorts of things over the years, she ran a school for several years and myrtle beach.00:12:40.830 –> 00:12:44.160 Sarah Bryan: Montessori school that I went to as a small child and.00:12:45.300 –> 00:12:46.440 Sarah Bryan: has written.00:12:47.610 –> 00:13:02.250 Sarah Bryan: A lot of really wonderful historical fiction about the civil war era about Jamestown colony about the Lincoln assassination plot and.00:13:02.730 –> 00:13:10.650 Sarah Bryan: She she's an amazing researcher fun to just incredible depth of information right, so these great books and.00:13:11.070 –> 00:13:22.260 Sarah Bryan: Then just move right to the next project she's so excited about the next thing to learn about so she has the stack of manuscripts, so I hope someday she'll be shopping to publishers because the world needs to see them.00:13:23.040 –> 00:13:28.710 Joseph McElroy: that's great, but we got to take a break down but we'll come back talk a little more about your personal history and then get into your job.00:15:45.570 –> 00:15:52.200 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast and my guests Sarah Bryan.00:15:53.910 –> 00:16:00.870 Joseph McElroy: So, so you know I like to have my craft beers on this show Now I will tell you.00:16:02.400 –> 00:16:11.400 Joseph McElroy: about the one I'm doing now, but, first, it was mentioned, I was at the wicked weed brewery nationally that day and they got a really great IPA call freak in page or advise you to go there.00:16:11.820 –> 00:16:15.600 Joseph McElroy: But I just discovered when we have at the Meadowlark it is not at local beer, but.00:16:16.080 –> 00:16:31.110 Joseph McElroy: yeah I don't necessarily just dismiss that you know, even though this area is 50 breweries there are people that make good beer elsewhere and I'm liking, this one it's a double IPA called never better by Coronado brewing company in California.00:16:33.330 –> 00:16:41.370 Joseph McElroy: But anyway, hey Sarah glad to have you back you know we were talking about your mom with your dad was a professional of American literature.00:16:42.000 –> 00:16:50.610 Joseph McElroy: But it was also I thought this is interesting we're now doing a miniature golf course designer including, including Mr the elaborate on the grand strand right.00:16:51.360 –> 00:17:00.360 Sarah Bryan: that's true yeah yeah my father dance Brian was his name, he went by the nickname party, which is a long story.00:17:02.100 –> 00:17:04.560 Sarah Bryan: Was the origin part of her in the Bible.00:17:06.540 –> 00:17:21.000 Sarah Bryan: yeah he was from myrtle beach grew up there, and his father and grandfather had been involved in developing the area early on, and particularly in building, so the golf courses, they are the big golf courses and.00:17:22.500 –> 00:17:34.380 Sarah Bryan: Starting around the 1950s I'd say late 50s early 60s, he started working on his own miniature golf courses with his father.00:17:36.360 –> 00:17:49.890 Sarah Bryan: put him in charge of an old golf driving range they had there, and he had the idea to make it sort of a jungle environment miniature golf course and that's where that.00:17:50.970 –> 00:18:10.680 Sarah Bryan: The head deal was born with him and he and partners through the years developed the jungle golf style of miniature golf courses, so if you've been to myrtle beach, you know what they look like it's the big mountain of dirt a middle of the lot with tropical plants waterfalls.00:18:13.230 –> 00:18:19.830 Sarah Bryan: jungle animals, which includes somehow savannah animals I don't know why, and so that that.00:18:21.000 –> 00:18:21.870 Sarah Bryan: That has.00:18:23.070 –> 00:18:27.630 Sarah Bryan: Over the course of his life that really took off from the late 50s to Stephen.00:18:29.640 –> 00:18:31.710 Joseph McElroy: He did a couple of value values didn't.00:18:33.060 –> 00:18:37.740 Sarah Bryan: You know I am not sure I think he did this before my time he did one in Boone.00:18:38.190 –> 00:18:41.250 Sarah Bryan: yeah and in the 70s early 80s there's one.00:18:41.310 –> 00:18:46.920 Joseph McElroy: that's there's one that has been around for a long time and I don't think that's a jungle-type golf, but there is one.00:18:47.940 –> 00:18:50.760 Joseph McElroy: That is more of a general type thing and so.00:18:51.090 –> 00:18:59.640 Joseph McElroy: He probably looks actually I when I first saw it back 20 years ago, or something like that I said wow that looks more like a myrtle beach.00:19:02.490 –> 00:19:05.400 Joseph McElroy: thing so but it's become part of the fabric here, you know.00:19:06.120 –> 00:19:06.510 So.00:19:08.040 –> 00:19:17.280 Joseph McElroy: And you're actually come from a diverse home you grew up and speak Spanish your family's confused compete Cuban dispense right.00:19:18.360 –> 00:19:21.240 Sarah Bryan: my mom is half Cuban.00:19:21.630 –> 00:19:27.420 Joseph McElroy: yeah, and I assume you have a real admiration for cultural diversity.00:19:29.970 –> 00:19:47.340 Joseph McElroy: That we love for exploring you know for folklife and in Florida, for you know, being a writer and musician in and you got your what your BA degree in American studies from George Washington university an ma degree in folklore unc I won't hold that against.00:19:49.980 –> 00:19:51.090 Sarah Bryan: call the truth for that.00:19:51.630 –> 00:20:04.530 Joseph McElroy: yeah but in 2005 you actually you join the North Carolina folklife institute so is that sort of the first big career move for you read what's up before that.00:20:05.070 –> 00:20:11.340 Sarah Bryan: That was an incredibly lucky break for me, I was not long out of Grad school and.00:20:12.300 –> 00:20:28.920 Sarah Bryan: North Carolina folklife Institute, which at the time was directed by Beverley Patterson who's a wonderful folklorist in Chapel hill she in the folklife institute we're working with the Blue Ridge national heritage area on developing their traditional artists directory.00:20:29.430 –> 00:20:40.560 Sarah Bryan: And she brought on to newly hatched folklorist which were me and Mark Free to you probably know, from when you use a prominent musician and arts leader in the area.00:20:41.100 –> 00:20:53.070 Sarah Bryan: But we were both you know in and just out of school at the time, this was long ago and yeah my first job was on the artists directory and so basically.00:20:53.670 –> 00:21:04.470 Sarah Bryan: The folklife institute turned us loose mark was in the northern counties and I was from like Madison and bunk and counties to the State Law and and.00:21:05.580 –> 00:21:17.130 Sarah Bryan: And, and the cherokee quality boundary area and it was a wonderful job I mean we just explored, each of us separately explored the counties in our.00:21:18.090 –> 00:21:25.860 Sarah Bryan: assigned region go around ask people who the traditional artists are in some cases, they were.00:21:26.400 –> 00:21:37.110 Sarah Bryan: You know, prominent people with you know well known careers and their and their art form and in other cases, that would be you know, an elderly person who'd retired from a career and something not at all.00:21:37.890 –> 00:21:46.890 Sarah Bryan: art or music related but you know kept up their art form just on their own at home because I love doing it, nobody you know.00:21:48.540 –> 00:21:54.840 Sarah Bryan: haven't had much publicity before but we got the right profiles of all of these folks and it was incredibly fun.00:21:55.530 –> 00:22:05.760 Joseph McElroy: Well, you, you must have loved it, because by 2017, which is a fairly short period of time he became executive director of that that that really esteemed organization.00:22:07.020 –> 00:22:12.570 Joseph McElroy: So I guess that was a That was a lot of hard work right.00:22:13.980 –> 00:22:15.120 Sarah Bryan: Hard work that really fun.00:22:17.070 –> 00:22:19.860 Sarah Bryan: The all the projects were involved in, or just.00:22:21.060 –> 00:22:23.130 Sarah Bryan: Oh it's such a pleasure to work on.00:22:24.180 –> 00:22:38.790 Joseph McElroy: Well, but you also here's The interesting thing you know, and you know found out that you, you became an old time fiddle player during that time, too, so you had to have time to practice right, but you were doing a lot of good work so.00:22:40.500 –> 00:22:43.260 Joseph McElroy: Have you played with any great Western North Carolina fiddler's.00:22:43.830 –> 00:22:48.930 Sarah Bryan: Well let's see I actually started playing old-time fiddle when I was in my teens.00:22:49.020 –> 00:22:49.470 Joseph McElroy: I really.00:22:49.980 –> 00:22:51.960 Sarah Bryan: yeah and actually I've been.00:22:52.080 –> 00:23:10.620 Sarah Bryan: In northern Virginia and yeah but have have continued playing all along yeah moving to North Carolina has I came back down here for Grad school in 2001 of the great things about that was proximity to so many wonderful musicians.00:23:10.800 –> 00:23:11.430 Joseph McElroy: Well that's great.00:23:11.460 –> 00:23:16.470 Joseph McElroy: yeah so did you get to play with any or did you get did you have any mentoring from some of them.00:23:16.830 –> 00:23:22.950 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah there it's it's hard to narrow down there's so many amazing fiddler's in the year I was.00:23:23.970 –> 00:23:26.400 Sarah Bryan: If I had to pick one fiddler to.00:23:28.740 –> 00:23:41.850 Sarah Bryan: To mention, in particular, who have a friend who have been lucky enough to play with at times, but not nearly enough not nearly as much said, like is Paul Brown, who lives in Winston Salem.00:23:42.990 –> 00:23:47.700 Sarah Bryan: He is wonderful fiddler banjo player singer.00:23:49.470 –> 00:23:55.830 Sarah Bryan: Has the style that I wish I could play and very sort of sweet and rambunctious at the same time.00:23:56.970 –> 00:23:58.050 Sarah Bryan: And he also.00:23:59.580 –> 00:24:07.500 Sarah Bryan: he's he's been this great conduit between generations, because when he first moved to the Mount airy area.00:24:08.910 –> 00:24:17.280 Sarah Bryan: He got to know Tommy jerel or honesty's Fred copper Malta, you know the sort of Pantheon of great musicians in that area.00:24:18.330 –> 00:24:20.550 Sarah Bryan: And he's really served as a.00:24:21.840 –> 00:24:37.680 Sarah Bryan: champion of them over the years, so now, I mean for a lot of us who were not able to know those people through Paul we've gotten to know not just what great musicians, they were, but what interesting and knowledgeable people they were.00:24:39.780 –> 00:24:51.480 Joseph McElroy: Well that's yeah that's you know that's a life-enriching experience to work with people that have such tremendous depth and they're trying to actually pass it on to you too, and so.00:24:51.960 –> 00:25:02.190 Joseph McElroy: yeah I think that is probably very, very profound for you, you know I also know that you were on garrison keillor's prairie home companion that goes out.00:25:03.720 –> 00:25:23.610 Sarah Bryan: that that was a an exciting experience, not in all the right ways, so I have severe stage fright and which complicated that experience, because it was in front of a you know alive theater audience prairie home companion was going to be in Durham and.00:25:24.690 –> 00:25:32.220 Sarah Bryan: And the show invited you know, several old-time musicians in the area to be part of it, and of course I couldn't turn that down.00:25:34.050 –> 00:25:39.720 Sarah Bryan: But once I once I got there the stage right kicked in and.00:25:41.280 –> 00:25:49.710 Sarah Bryan: They before the show they we were backstage and Chris for sheer who's the band fiddler was the band fiddler those days.00:25:51.330 –> 00:25:53.850 Sarah Bryan: For the show was showing me and the other.00:25:54.990 –> 00:25:59.490 Sarah Bryan: guests fiddler's this tune that we were going to play when you know when our segment came on.00:26:00.510 –> 00:26:10.020 Sarah Bryan: And because I was starting to think about what it was gonna be like a few minutes when there is these hundreds of people looking at me and billions of people listening.00:26:10.740 –> 00:26:24.240 Sarah Bryan: my mind went blank and I couldn't learn the two, and he was showing us it was as soon as he played it, it was gone so that was that was the first tune what we're going to play that evening and.00:26:25.350 –> 00:26:35.490 Sarah Bryan: Because, as soon as they started I realized I didn't remember what you just showed us, I was like i'm you know sort of holding the bow a little bit above the strings of pretending to play.00:26:37.980 –> 00:26:41.340 Sarah Bryan: outside of Andy Griffith when barney's in the choir.00:26:41.340 –> 00:26:41.760 To.00:26:43.110 –> 00:26:57.000 Sarah Bryan: sing it was like that, but that, so the sound the sound engineer was you know kept he was listening and it kept thinking that my microphone is not working, so he came out at one point, and was like tinkering with it and.00:26:57.990 –> 00:27:03.000 Sarah Bryan: While he was standing there he realized that I wasn't playing and you sort of like wink to give me a thumbs up and.00:27:03.660 –> 00:27:18.990 Sarah Bryan: went off stage, but then the next tune that we were to play was soldiers joy, which is my favorite all time fiddle tune, and the one that, like all fiddler's pretty much know so I really wanted to play on that one but at that, point my microphone was off.00:27:20.790 –> 00:27:22.350 Sarah Bryan: pretending to play before.00:27:24.090 –> 00:27:33.720 Sarah Bryan: But the crisper shear and the other fiddler Kenny Jackson who's a really great North Carolina fiddler um you know they didn't need a third fiddler between them so.00:27:36.060 –> 00:27:39.000 Joseph McElroy: Oh that's so you you play, but you did.00:27:45.030 –> 00:27:46.740 Joseph McElroy: Okay well that's a good story.00:27:48.630 –> 00:27:50.190 Joseph McElroy: At least you got asked to be on there.00:27:53.220 –> 00:27:58.860 Joseph McElroy: So you've also become a writer, a great writer, and you have two books out right and.00:27:59.550 –> 00:28:07.920 Joseph McElroy: So when we come we got to take a break down, but once you tell us about the two books and then we're going to talk about some of the you know the stuff in the mountains in western North Carolina that you know that.00:28:08.220 –> 00:28:08.550 Great.00:30:15.150 –> 00:30:24.420 Joseph McElroy: Howdy, this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies podcast and my guest Sarah Bryan who's the Executive Director of the North Carolina Folklife Institute.00:30:24.870 –> 00:30:32.670 Joseph McElroy: So so Sarah you're a writer you've got a couple of books out one coming out soon, what were the What are those titles and what they're about.00:30:33.330 –> 00:30:38.160 Sarah Bryan: Thanks um there, there are two titles of co-written.00:30:39.300 –> 00:30:49.680 Sarah Bryan: I was one of the three co-authors, along with Beverly Patterson and Michelle Lanier, who is now the Director of historic sites for North Carolina.00:30:50.160 –> 00:30:59.250 Sarah Bryan: I'm a book called African American music trails of Eastern North Carolina and that came out of a North Carolina Arts Council project of the same name.00:31:00.570 –> 00:31:07.080 Sarah Bryan: about the historic and living black music traditions in Eastern North Carolina counties.00:31:08.700 –> 00:31:16.560 Sarah Bryan: And you know just the incredible impact musicians from there have had it hasn't always been more widely recognized.00:31:17.040 –> 00:31:17.580 Sarah Bryan: That was.00:31:18.690 –> 00:31:24.000 Sarah Bryan: 2014 2015 my husband Peter Hoenig and I.00:31:25.500 –> 00:31:31.410 Sarah Bryan: co-wrote and co-compiled a collection for us to digital.00:31:32.490 –> 00:31:53.880 Sarah Bryan: Just a great label out of Atlanta, it was a TC set up the CDS were 78 from Peters collection of mostly old-time mountain music and blues and the book was antique anonymous photos of southern early southern life from my own collections.00:31:54.390 –> 00:31:55.980 Sarah Bryan: cool that that was.00:31:57.870 –> 00:32:02.670 Sarah Bryan: 2015 and that's out of print but it's still I believe the music is still downloadable.00:32:02.940 –> 00:32:03.330 Joseph McElroy: It was.00:32:04.740 –> 00:32:09.420 Sarah Bryan: It was called leap, can we light name for him a.00:32:11.130 –> 00:32:15.630 Sarah Bryan: Pre-war southern music and photographs I believe was the subtitle.00:32:16.050 –> 00:32:17.490 Joseph McElroy: cool and then you're writing one now.00:32:18.240 –> 00:32:32.520 Sarah Bryan: Yes, yeah I'm co-writing with potter and historian from Randolph county and help you, we are working on a history of southern traditional pottery which is.00:32:33.870 –> 00:32:41.190 Sarah Bryan: A huge story and we're you know, having fun figuring out how to fit that all into one book.00:32:42.690 –> 00:32:45.060 Joseph McElroy: yeah pottery trails all over the north.00:32:45.060 –> 00:32:45.540 Carolina.00:32:47.310 –> 00:32:47.970 Sarah Bryan: Especially.00:32:49.620 –> 00:32:59.520 Joseph McElroy: Well cool well, you also writing and the and the editor for the old time arrow, which is an about old music is also an old-time dancing.00:33:00.720 –> 00:33:17.490 Sarah Bryan: It is yeah yeah the old time, Harold the musician and field recorder Alice Gerard founded in 1987 when she was living in Gala and yeah it's about traditional old-time music, particularly in Appalachia but also.00:33:18.570 –> 00:33:24.570 Sarah Bryan: Other parts of the self, and you know wider traditions elsewhere that are relatable to music.00:33:25.380 –> 00:33:29.880 Joseph McElroy: Other parts are there any memorable stories you wrote about the smoky mountains areas.00:33:30.690 –> 00:33:34.200 Sarah Bryan: Oh gosh well not that I've written myself, but I would.00:33:35.580 –> 00:33:46.320 Sarah Bryan: There have been some great articles about Western North Carolina effect our current issue has a cover story about beach mountain musicians from.00:33:47.220 –> 00:34:00.840 Sarah Bryan: From the Whataburger every county line area and the old fiddler the universe to hicks is the cover girl she's a great musical matriarch from beach mountain.00:34:01.560 –> 00:34:03.750 Joseph McElroy: cool Any with Haywood County?00:34:05.010 –> 00:34:06.360 Sarah Bryan: yeah let me.00:34:08.580 –> 00:34:20.040 Sarah Bryan: we've definitely covered Haywood county stories, there was we had an article sometime back about the Soco gap clockers was that the name of the.00:34:20.520 –> 00:34:22.320 Joseph McElroy: Joe Sam Queen00:34:23.460 –> 00:34:23.700 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:34:23.820 –> 00:34:24.690 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah and.00:34:24.780 –> 00:34:26.940 Sarah Bryan: They danced at the White House and Roosevelt.00:34:27.780 –> 00:34:30.210 Joseph McElroy: yeah we have him on the show a few weeks ago yeah.00:34:31.080 –> 00:34:32.640 Sarah Bryan: yeah that's a great tradition that's.00:34:32.730 –> 00:34:34.470 Sarah Bryan: been going on for generations.00:34:35.490 –> 00:34:48.030 Joseph McElroy: cool so I love that you know that you work with this Folklife institute, I mean it's there's a lot of the value and objectives, promoting the preservation appreciation of understanding.00:34:48.600 –> 00:34:56.880 Joseph McElroy: The folklife heritage and culture in North Carolina yeah we're spoken we're focused on the smoky mountains area but it's the same sort of passion.00:34:58.440 –> 00:35:09.150 Joseph McElroy: I saw that you had one interesting program documenting the early bbq pitch, so I gotta go find this because I'm getting into I've been a big fire based.00:35:10.170 –> 00:35:19.830 Joseph McElroy: cook for a while and I've been getting more and more of that tell me about that what would you find out that that's fascinating about Barbecue pits early on.00:35:20.280 –> 00:35:21.360 Sarah Bryan: That was a project.00:35:22.440 –> 00:35:29.490 Sarah Bryan: Oh gosh probably eight or 10 years ago that the previous director Joy Salinger's launched and.00:35:31.080 –> 00:35:35.400 Sarah Bryan: The part that I was able to play was going to interview to00:35:36.990 –> 00:35:49.500 Sarah Bryan: founding fathers of the western Barbecue tradition, Mr. Damien Mr mountain Conan Greensboro and one and Lexington and I didn't tell either of them that I'm a vegetarian.00:35:51.120 –> 00:35:53.070 Sarah Bryan: It was lovely being in their restaurants it00:35:53.070 –> 00:35:54.120 Sarah Bryan: smelled great.00:35:55.680 –> 00:36:00.360 Sarah Bryan: Barbecue home for my family and yeah just lovely.00:36:00.480 –> 00:36:03.690 Joseph McElroy: You could do some wonderful things with vegetables and smoke, you know.00:36:04.320 –> 00:36:08.970 Joseph McElroy: yeah there's a recipe that comes out of the middle of the state that I love of US it's.00:36:10.170 –> 00:36:23.550 Joseph McElroy: This African American chef I forget her name right now I'll post it at some point that as smoke beats and then she makes cornbread beats so you think it's it's fabulous oh yeah and burnt sugar.00:36:23.700 –> 00:36:24.750 Sarah Bryan: Smoke oh wow.00:36:26.130 –> 00:36:36.990 Joseph McElroy: Oh it's incredible yeah so there's a lot of vegetables that are really enhanced by the grill experience yeah people know you know about doing just about some things but there's a lot more that you could do.00:36:38.220 –> 00:36:42.660 Joseph McElroy: Any programs cooking programs on mountain cooking or Cherokee cuisine00:36:43.590 –> 00:36:47.730 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah absolutely that's where you're really.00:36:48.930 –> 00:36:52.620 Sarah Bryan: Love being involved in programs about Appalachian.00:36:53.670 –> 00:36:54.810 Sarah Bryan: Food in particular.00:36:55.830 –> 00:37:07.110 Sarah Bryan: Yeah we've had some classes, through a program called in these mountains, which is sponsored by South Arts in Atlanta, and have had to have several food-related courses.00:37:08.400 –> 00:37:16.680 Sarah Bryan: right before the pandemic began, we were working with Nathan Bush, who is a Cherokee herbalist and00:37:18.480 –> 00:37:29.010 Sarah Bryan: artist and language specialist and his mother, Mrs. Anita Bush is also a really renowned herbalist and so he was given a great class.00:37:29.910 –> 00:37:41.070 Sarah Bryan: Going into the woods and the area, and you know, showing which plants are edible which you got to stay away from which have different you know medicinal properties and.00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:51.150 Sarah Bryan: More recently, and in fact, going on now we're sponsoring an online class called mountain battles and it's taught by William Ritter00:37:51.570 –> 00:37:52.140 Joseph McElroy: Oh William,00:37:52.890 –> 00:37:53.490 Sarah Bryan: know there again.00:37:53.910 –> 00:37:55.020 Joseph McElroy: we're able to show you.00:37:55.080 –> 00:37:56.250 Sarah Bryan: Oh good good.00:37:56.370 –> 00:38:10.110 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah yeah William from Mitchell county and he is teaching it's a great class we've only had two so far as and it's going to go into you know the summer and early fall and we are still taking.00:38:10.890 –> 00:38:27.870 Sarah Bryan: Taking students can still register anyone 13 and up and it's a free class just about you know heritage Appalachian crops cooking baking stories having to do with food songs having to do with food.00:38:29.370 –> 00:38:38.970 Joseph McElroy: We know here to here we've built our first guard here, right at the motel, we also put a field in at a farm and what we have.00:38:39.930 –> 00:38:47.850 Joseph McElroy: we're starting to really get into you know like I don't know if you've heard of candy roasters we got a whole bunch of candy restaurant or probably even better, believe it or not.00:38:49.080 –> 00:39:05.100 Joseph McElroy: And we're planning on doing a lot of those big breads and things like that, for those who don't know, can you rosters are like the pumpkin or squash family they're giant but oh long you know and they only really grow well the bounce but they're really sweet really fantastic.00:39:06.390 –> 00:39:19.410 Joseph McElroy: So I love that you're doing this kind of stuff and yeah we're gonna we're going to actually open a restaurant focus on merited mountain heritage food with a lot of traditional things and.00:39:19.680 –> 00:39:21.600 Joseph McElroy: And we just I don't know if you know Illa hatter.00:39:21.930 –> 00:39:22.950 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah.00:39:23.040 –> 00:39:24.000 Joseph McElroy: He was just here.00:39:25.050 –> 00:39:29.100 Joseph McElroy: the day before yesterday, she did a program here and we had over 30 people show up.00:39:29.430 –> 00:39:40.680 Joseph McElroy: right here and learn how to forage and use it to make meals, a day so it's something that people are very interested in and it's great to look up that program you guys are doing.00:39:40.890 –> 00:39:42.660 Sarah Bryan: Definitely yeah join us, please.00:39:42.840 –> 00:39:54.480 Joseph McElroy: yeah another big thing that you're involved with this festival productions right documenting and talking about what's going on, do you have any favorite festivals in the western part of the state.00:39:55.230 –> 00:40:04.530 Sarah Bryan: Oh gosh yeah that's what it'd be hard to narrow down my favorite old-time festival in the world is Mount airy fiddler's Convention and.00:40:05.580 –> 00:40:17.610 Sarah Bryan: yeah I haven't gone for the last couple of years because of just pandemic strangeness but yeah I've been coming to that since I was about 20 and just fabulous.00:40:19.320 –> 00:40:26.280 Sarah Bryan: festival it's one of these events, where the old-time musicians from all over the world really come together and.00:40:26.670 –> 00:40:35.760 Sarah Bryan: meet the people who grew up in the traditions and you know are carrying it on from home and vice versa it's just it's wonderful.00:40:36.540 –> 00:40:56.700 Sarah Bryan: Another one I love and I'm not certain if it's still happening in the fading voices festival and takes place in snowbird the Cherokee Community near Robin school and it's Cherokee Gospel music and wonderful.00:40:57.720 –> 00:41:06.720 Sarah Bryan: Quartets mostly from the eastern band of Cherokee Indians in North Carolina and Tennessee and also from the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma.00:41:09.570 –> 00:41:19.020 Sarah Bryan: Court that's will come from air to this festival and just incredibly beautiful music in this really, really beautiful little mountain cove and snowbird.00:41:19.800 –> 00:41:21.300 Sarah Bryan: wow that's still going on.00:41:22.320 –> 00:41:27.000 Joseph McElroy: look it up, you know, one of the most successful I thought you know the hospitality00:41:28.140 –> 00:41:46.830 Joseph McElroy: thing I actually saw in Barbados, was a Gospel Gospel brunch on Sunday, and it was huge, it was a big fantastic success people, it was all you know really sort of old time you know Gospel music this surprising place to have it is hugely successful.00:41:47.310 –> 00:41:49.050 Joseph McElroy: For the idea of doing that here.00:41:50.460 –> 00:41:57.360 Joseph McElroy: But you know he didn't you didn't the folklife it's two to one point put on the first statewide folk fest folk festival.00:41:57.930 –> 00:42:11.880 Sarah Bryan: That was our origin actually founded in 1974 to help the actually as an arm at that time of the folklife program with the North Carolina Arts Council and they were putting on.00:42:12.330 –> 00:42:23.250 Sarah Bryan: A statewide folklife festival here in Durham and it was sort of the lead up to the bicentennial so you know, there was a renewed interest in American traditions of all kinds.00:42:23.760 –> 00:42:26.460 Sarah Bryan: And that festival and 74.00:42:27.780 –> 00:42:41.220 Sarah Bryan: It just it's incredible looking back at who all was there as a Tammi Terrell Elizabeth cotton Willard Watson just yeah just some of the most wonderful let's kill on artists.00:42:41.880 –> 00:42:45.210 Joseph McElroy: Have you been involved with the phone booth two senators festival here at Haywood county.00:42:45.780 –> 00:42:49.260 Sarah Bryan: We haven't, but I would like to do great work.00:42:49.770 –> 00:42:52.650 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool I'll get that Bob did it he does pretty well.00:42:53.820 –> 00:43:00.810 Joseph McElroy: Well hey listen, we got to take a break and then we'll come back and talk continue talking about yeah folk folklife here in the mountains.00:45:02.610 –> 00:45:12.180 Joseph McElroy: Howdy, this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast and I guess Sarah Brian so Sarah you know, one of the reasons I.00:45:13.260 –> 00:45:20.520 Joseph McElroy: You know started doing the mountain heritage stuff here and got involved with this, because I really believe in the importance of community education.00:45:21.120 –> 00:45:36.600 Joseph McElroy: And you know and getting you to know things right, where the Community can be involved with it and even online, you know inner interactions, what do you think about the importance of that and also the importance of oral history documentation that comes out of communities.00:45:38.280 –> 00:45:47.490 Sarah Bryan: I think I think it's an essential part of all of our lives and yeah Community arts and oral history and.00:45:48.510 –> 00:45:54.600 Sarah Bryan: far too few people nowadays experienced that, and you know, in a full way um.00:45:55.980 –> 00:46:03.180 Sarah Bryan: I'm not one of those people who thinks that you know the old days were better across the board, but, but I do think that the.00:46:05.130 –> 00:46:08.190 Joseph McElroy: closeness there's a lot of you there's a lot of beauty in it there's.00:46:08.190 –> 00:46:09.120 Sarah Bryan: Absolutely.00:46:09.360 –> 00:46:09.870 Joseph McElroy: There was also.00:46:10.320 –> 00:46:16.290 Joseph McElroy: A hardship and ugliness in there, but you're trying to preserve the beauty and letting the nastiness go away.00:46:16.620 –> 00:46:29.310 Sarah Bryan: Exactly exactly, and I think that that closeness of community is something that a lot of ways, many of us have lost and also more so over the last two and a half years with the pandemic.00:46:30.510 –> 00:46:43.320 Sarah Bryan: But then that makes it all the more essential for organizations like both of ours to create these opportunities whenever we can to help.00:46:44.070 –> 00:47:00.210 Sarah Bryan: Especially young people find out about traditions in their communities get to know elder artists or you know story storytellers people who know the Community history and yeah the more opportunities there are, the better.00:47:02.130 –> 00:47:06.780 Sarah Bryan: That makes me think in particular about the jam programs the junior Appalachian musicians.00:47:07.140 –> 00:47:07.710 Joseph McElroy: that's a great.00:47:08.310 –> 00:47:15.270 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah I mean that's sort of a stellar example of creating new.00:47:16.560 –> 00:47:17.760 Sarah Bryan: Learning environments.00:47:19.230 –> 00:47:36.090 Sarah Bryan: Where you know, a young person 100 years ago may have been able to go to the next door neighbor or her next door neighbor and learn the banjo and that those links don't exist as a strong layer as frequently now so creating these.00:47:37.500 –> 00:47:47.190 Sarah Bryan: classes, essentially for young people to learn has been an amazing contribution to old-time and bluegrass music because now there's this whole.00:47:47.880 –> 00:47:59.370 Sarah Bryan: generation of young just incredibly good musicians, who are graduates of the jam program and you know counties throughout the Appalachian South and.00:48:00.510 –> 00:48:02.010 Sarah Bryan: You know, thank goodness for.00:48:02.250 –> 00:48:12.720 Joseph McElroy: For what you've actually cultivated network so that they can interact and learn from each other and prevent also promote artists and created a handbook for artists to promote them so sorry about that.00:48:13.770 –> 00:48:16.560 Sarah Bryan: that's, this is a good chance for me to.00:48:17.580 –> 00:48:24.450 Sarah Bryan: Tell listeners, please watch this space, because the artist's handbook is actually being revised, as we speak.00:48:26.790 –> 00:48:30.900 Sarah Bryan: The North Carolina Arts Council and Evan had to folk mode.00:48:32.310 –> 00:48:36.150 Sarah Bryan: Evan when he was with the North Carolina folklife so it was actually the.00:48:37.710 –> 00:48:58.800 Sarah Bryan: First person who started this project and yeah it's an online handbook in PDF format of ideas resources for traditional artists to get the word out about what they do, essentially to help them make a living if that's what they want to do with their art form.00:49:00.390 –> 00:49:07.710 Sarah Bryan: find opportunities to learn and to and to teach and pass it on so that's being revised, and you know things change so quickly.00:49:08.550 –> 00:49:20.220 Sarah Bryan: Especially in terms of technology that you know it needs to revision pretty quickly so that's what we're working on now, and hopefully it'll be back up in a new form in a few months.00:49:21.420 –> 00:49:30.720 Joseph McElroy: You know that's you know I guess the work of things like the blue Ridge heritage trail is all part of that work to give artists the ability to promote themselves.00:49:30.810 –> 00:49:37.020 Joseph McElroy: Absolutely, and in the state is that the statewide directory of artists as well, or is that a different.00:49:38.820 –> 00:49:42.330 Sarah Bryan: that's a different a different project and.00:49:43.410 –> 00:49:57.960 Sarah Bryan: One that I that also like for us to return to and revitalize it's it got started in with artists from Warren Vance and Halifax counties and sell to North Carolina and.00:49:58.770 –> 00:50:09.270 Sarah Bryan: yeah directory was very much like the blue Ridge national Heritage Area's traditional arts directory, you know modeled after that aimed for us a statewide.00:50:12.510 –> 00:50:13.020 Joseph McElroy: And you know.00:50:14.430 –> 00:50:14.790 Joseph McElroy: You know.00:50:17.100 –> 00:50:25.830 Joseph McElroy: yeah I love that the other there's a sensitivity to promote the diversity of what was what built, these are communities it wasn't just.00:50:26.160 –> 00:50:37.830 Joseph McElroy: Scotch Irish settlers and you've mentioned some charity works how about the Africa Fo Appalachians and fluids in the western part of the state and you were those documenting those are.00:50:38.880 –> 00:50:39.660 Joseph McElroy: Those anywhere.00:50:40.500 –> 00:50:41.700 Sarah Bryan: yeah yeah I think.00:50:43.320 –> 00:50:55.830 Sarah Bryan: I mean, of course, black Appalachian communities have always known that they were there themselves, but you know, those of us from other backgrounds, have not, you know, known as much as we should have about them and.00:50:57.630 –> 00:51:03.540 Sarah Bryan: there's one person whose research, especially excuse me I'm gonna have to pause for a second and call.00:51:05.490 –> 00:51:22.410 Sarah Bryan: The person who's done some really wonderful work in Southwestern North Carolina is Miller Woodford she's the founder of an organization called one doesn't do care and she's written a wonderful book which I happen to have here if I can hold the screen.00:51:23.550 –> 00:51:35.610 Sarah Bryan: it's called when all god's children get together a celebration of the lives of music African American people in far Western North Carolina, yeah and it talks about communities, particularly in.00:51:37.050 –> 00:51:39.840 Sarah Bryan: Making Cherokee clay counties.00:51:41.070 –> 00:51:53.220 Sarah Bryan: And Franklin area especially is very old African American communities that have wonderful rich histories and traditions and she's helping you know, bring a spotlight to that.00:51:54.780 –> 00:51:56.160 Joseph McElroy: wow well.00:51:58.620 –> 00:52:10.680 Joseph McElroy: This is all important work there are so many other things that you do you know when we're getting to the end here, you know I like to ask my guests, what are your some of your favorite places in western North Carolina Where would you recommend people go.00:52:12.030 –> 00:52:14.010 Sarah Bryan: Oh wow oh.00:52:18.480 –> 00:52:19.620 Sarah Bryan: gosh I mean.00:52:20.670 –> 00:52:22.020 Sarah Bryan: it's so hard to.00:52:23.190 –> 00:52:23.640 Joseph McElroy: focus.00:52:24.900 –> 00:52:27.240 Sarah Bryan: On a weekend I love haywood county um.00:52:27.570 –> 00:52:41.430 Sarah Bryan: Let me see Oh, there is a it right north of you are right, right up the road from you, one of my favorite views in all of North Carolina is on the road between Maggie Valley.00:52:41.790 –> 00:52:49.950 Sarah Bryan: And Cherokee if you're driving towards Cherokee look out to the right there's this incredible beautiful view of soco gap.00:52:51.240 –> 00:52:53.490 Joseph McElroy: is called the most photographed view and.00:52:54.420 –> 00:52:56.790 Sarah Bryan: that's the one that's got the little viewing tower and.00:52:57.990 –> 00:52:59.040 Sarah Bryan: It deserves that.00:53:01.170 –> 00:53:03.480 Joseph McElroy: i've been there since before I was born.00:53:06.900 –> 00:53:21.540 Joseph McElroy: Well it's been a pleasure, having you on the show we have to call it quits davin what's, what do you what would you like people to go to find out more information or looked up your books or read something really important things for them to find out more about you.00:53:21.990 –> 00:53:30.360 Sarah Bryan: Well, I would love for them to visit our website for the folklife Institute, which is nc folk Lol K dot O rg and see folk.org.00:53:30.990 –> 00:53:44.130 Sarah Bryan: And also, if they're interested in old time music old time music, in particular, old time harold.org they find a lot about appalachian and particular of Western North Carolina music.00:53:45.060 –> 00:53:50.250 Joseph McElroy: cool What about you, you get books, you get some things wherever they find out about that do you have a Facebook page or anything like.00:53:50.580 –> 00:53:52.470 Sarah Bryan: yeah you can find me on Facebook for sure.00:53:53.070 –> 00:53:54.300 Joseph McElroy: Alright fabulous.00:53:55.410 –> 00:54:00.870 Joseph McElroy: Well, thank you again, we might have to have another show, because you got a lot to talk about fabulous.00:54:01.560 –> 00:54:02.430 Sarah Bryan: fun, thank you.00:54:03.210 –> 00:54:21.120 Joseph McElroy: So this, this is the gateway to the smokies podcast you can watch this podcast live on facebook@facebook.com slash gateway to the smoke these podcasts we also have all the episodes recorded and with transcripts on smokies adventure calm.00:54:22.260 –> 00:54:30.060 Joseph McElroy: there's a link at the top, to bring you to all the different episodes that you can review we're also on the talk radio dot nyc network.00:54:30.390 –> 00:54:38.190 Joseph McElroy: Where they also stream the the audio live as well as on their Facebook stream and I advise you to take a look at all of the.00:54:38.760 –> 00:54:46.410 Joseph McElroy: podcasts on this network because it's a network of live podcast which I think is very interesting you get a 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KIM ROSS OF THE J CREEK CLOGGERSThis week's episode explores the world of Appalachian dance, and why it is so important to keep the culture alive.The Gateway to the Smokies Podcast is proud to introduce our special guest today, Kim Ross. Kim has roots firmly entrenched in the Southern Appalachians. A native of Snowflake Virginia, not far from the historic Carter Family Fold and the birthplace of country music on the Tennessee- Virginia border, Kim grew up loving old-time music, Appalachian culture, and especially traditional mountain dancing. Today she resides with her family in Waynesville, N.C., and perpetuates her family legacy by managing and dancing with the iconic J Creek Cloggers. Kim Ross will discuss the rich history and culture of the Southern Appalachian region while sharing the stories of their ancestors and their passion for mountain dance music.Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063452415685Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTESSEGMENT 1Kim Ross grew up in Snowflake, Virginia. When she hit her teenage years she started to visit Carter's Fold. She remembers seeing people from Ireland, etc. to be a part of this historical event. The Carter family is preserving a lot of history such as Johnny Cash's rocking chair.SEGMENT 2Her father was a tenant farmer, meaning that his family didn't own the land. He would flat-foot dance to make money for his family growing up. Ross recalls that she also caught on to flat footing as a child with no lessons. Zeb and Levi Ross were her kids and she taught them traditional dance to preserve culture. Ross started the J Creek Cloggers, the J is short for Jonathan Creek. The people she works with include teenagers who genuinely care about learning. The audience is taught traditional steps, butt dancing, and flat footing. These steps stretch out into cultures such as the Cherokee, Scottish, and Irish.SEGMENT 3A popular video of her son Seb on tiktok. Jason Jordan approached them whilst they were dancing to record Seb. As a consequence, their Instagram blew up and Ross got to explore other social media platforms. They have had the opportunities to shoot music videos with up-and-coming artists and appeared in commercials. Hillbilly Crypt dancing became a coined term for Seb's dancing. Ross praises his unique look with a mullet and smile being a part of his viral success. Ross encouraged him to find his unique dance moves to keep up with the freestyle tradition.SEGMENT 4She connects her dancing with her pottery as both deal with movement. She also got her kids to do pottery at Good Earth in Hazelwood. For photographs, she loves to go to Devil's Courthouse and any of the local places such as Jonathan Creek.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:37.080 –> 00:00:37.740 Joseph McElroy: howdy.00:00:38.130 –> 00:00:47.340 Joseph McElroy: This is Joseph Franklyn McElroy Welcome to the gateway to the smokies podcast this podcast is about America's most visited National Park.00:00:47.670 –> 00:00:54.300 Joseph McElroy: The great smoky mountain national park and the surrounding towns, this area is filled with ancient natural beauty.00:00:54.660 –> 00:00:59.850 Joseph McElroy: A deep-storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes.00:01:00.240 –> 00:01:12.210 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklin McElroy, a man of the world, but also deep roots in these mountains my family's lived in the great smoky mountains, for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:12.720 –> 00:01:21.030 Joseph McElroy: Today we're going to talk with Kim Ross about the J creek cloggers viral sensation the first a few messages and some events.00:01:21.630 –> 00:01:31.980 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past and modern and vibrant with a chic Appalachian feel a place of adventure and relaxation.00:01:32.670 –> 00:01:42.030 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you can fish in the mountain heritage stream grill the catch on fire enjoy it with fine wines and craft beers.00:01:42.510 –> 00:01:57.900 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place with that old-time music and world cultural sound, there is no other place like the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, North Carolina your smoky mountain adventures start with where you stay.00:01:59.400 –> 00:02:12.030 Joseph McElroy: and other sponsors smokies adventure.com that's smokies plural adventure si.com the smoky mountains and surrounding areas of vacation destination for all these.00:02:12.630 –> 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McElroy: In two weeks on Julya 9 we have wildcrafting and mother nature's natural garden program with legendary I look at.00:03:16.860 –> 00:03:32.730 Joseph McElroy: It starts at 10 am on July 9 and the fee and the features, the island who's a legendary white wild fasting expert renowned author filmmaker instructor include quick tour guide for the great smoky mountain National Park field school.00:03:34.170 –> 00:03:42.360 Joseph McElroy: She is an expert on edible plants, but this know herbs or anything pertaining to wildcraft orgy an Appalachian.00:03:43.440 –> 00:03:51.120 Joseph McElroy: Plants and trees and the flowers, she has been featured on TV print radio and all sorts of things.00:03:52.770 –> 00:03:59.970 Joseph McElroy: And she is an iconic female that will soon be featured of the smokies will soon be featuring one of our themed rooms.00:04:01.140 –> 00:04:05.520 Joseph McElroy: She is will be presenting their beloved program called mother nature's natural garden.00:04:05.940 –> 00:04:19.980 Joseph McElroy: Which is about forging and natural herbs and things that are in these mountains and then she's gonna lead a short tour of on the grounds of the metal or motel and there are surrounding areas to forage for.00:04:20.760 –> 00:04:34.350 Joseph McElroy: A nature's bounty and to make something of that, and you can learn how to find great things in your own backyard, then the event culminates with the bbq supper and music by Michael real tree and his friends on Saturday.00:04:35.160 –> 00:04:43.260 Joseph McElroy: Efficient dimension is just 20 bucks for a person for for those who are not guests, but guests and inheritance club Members are free.00:04:43.620 –> 00:05:06.720 Joseph McElroy: So that's July 9 that starting at 10am be sure to call eight to 89261717 to get your space now on July 30 this is relevant to this program you guys got to come, but we're going to have the J creek cloggers the viral sensation here dancing from 7:30pm to 9pm at the pavilion.00:05:08.280 –> 00:05:14.850 Joseph McElroy: And it's it's a it's a great town heritage event and will also include the Barbecue dinner.00:05:15.960 –> 00:05:25.200 Joseph McElroy: and on Saturday night, starting at if you come early at six and then the dancing and musical started 730.00:05:25.830 –> 00:05:31.740 Joseph McElroy: It will they will provide the J street Congress will perform multiple examples of traditional mountain dancing.00:05:32.220 –> 00:05:42.690 Joseph McElroy: As well as teaching the audience several fun dance steps we group leader Kim Ross is will be now will also give a short talk on the history and tradition to mountain dancing.00:05:43.140 –> 00:05:49.320 Joseph McElroy: grab your partner and come and join us for a memorable fun filled up with dining and dancing.00:05:49.800 –> 00:06:06.390 Joseph McElroy: The mission is free for hotel guests, as it always is, and heritage club members and $20 per person for people that just want to come and have a night out of the night out and do some mountain heritage again call eight to 89261717 to get your spot.00:06:07.650 –> 00:06:20.610 Joseph McElroy: And then also reserve a room, if you want to stay overnight, and then August 12 through the 13th we're having a great songwriters cramp camp here and it's going to feature some grammy award-winning artists.00:06:21.300 –> 00:06:29.160 Joseph McElroy: Jim Lauderdale there was a legendary songwriter who wrote a lot of George strait's hits and Charles Humphrey the third.00:06:29.610 –> 00:06:38.430 Joseph McElroy: who's another grammy award-winning winner, along with other award-winning artists like Darren Nicholson balsam range playbills and Charles Chamberlain.00:06:38.670 –> 00:06:46.230 Joseph McElroy: it's an event, if you're interested in writing songs you cannot get a better education than these guys are going to be able to give you.00:06:46.680 –> 00:06:55.350 Joseph McElroy: it's a two-day event of interactive story writing instruction with world-class musicians and they will also help you produce a DEMO tape.00:06:55.710 –> 00:07:02.340 Joseph McElroy: and have a takeaway of a DEMO tape and then you have some concert by songs from the spread ban on Friday night.00:07:02.760 –> 00:07:07.980 Joseph McElroy: And then, and then a Saturday night there will be a Barbecue dinner and an all-star concept of all these guys.00:07:08.910 –> 00:07:20.970 Joseph McElroy: Making it a unique event like no other and space is very limited, so the price is 7675 per person for the education and DEMO tape and the fun.00:07:21.840 –> 00:07:32.310 Joseph McElroy: And there are also tickets available for just the concerts call eight to 89261717 to get your space reserve a room or just reserve the.00:07:32.670 –> 00:07:38.820 Joseph McElroy: position of the camp and come and really experienced something that you're not going to find many times in your life.00:07:39.600 –> 00:07:51.450 Joseph McElroy: So today we were talking about the jquery cloggers well, we have the founder of the J Creek Cloggers Kim Ross Woody has firmly entrenched the southern Appalachian.00:07:52.020 –> 00:08:02.400 Joseph McElroy: a native of snowflake Virginia not far from the historic Carter family fold and the birthplace of country music of the Tennessee-Virginia border.00:08:02.670 –> 00:08:09.570 Joseph McElroy: Kim grew up loving old times using Appalachian culture and especially traditional mountain dance.00:08:10.110 –> 00:08:24.870 Joseph McElroy: Does he resides with the family in Waynesville North Carolina and perpetuates her family legacy, by managing dancing with the iconic J Creek Cloggers. How are you doing Kim? Thank you yeah yeah oh yeah it's been an exciting time.00:08:26.220 –> 00:08:27.240 Joseph McElroy: it's been overwhelming.00:08:28.890 –> 00:08:38.010 Joseph McElroy: Well we'll get into the viral sensation but let's find a little bit about your background I like to find out more about our guests, and you know their history and their love for Appalachian.00:08:38.580 –> 00:08:45.510 Joseph McElroy: trail I grew up as you said and stuff like Virginia, which is about two hours from here across the Kingsport Tennessee LAN.00:08:45.960 –> 00:08:54.270 Joseph McElroy: Scott county Virginia Southwest Virginia part home to mother, my bell card or she was actually born in Scott county and Nichols build Virginia.00:08:54.780 –> 00:09:04.170 Joseph McElroy: And everybody knows them ap and Sarah Carter mother, my bell went on, of course, with the music and the recordings in Bristol.00:09:04.620 –> 00:09:15.180 Joseph McElroy: But the historic Carter family fold is in Hilton's Virginia and it started in the 70s, they preserve the old style and bluegrass music and it's all acoustic.00:09:15.840 –> 00:09:26.850 Joseph McElroy: Nothing, you know can be plugged in they want the real deal stringed instruments and you'll see some of the finest flat foot and but dancing they come from all over the world.00:09:27.360 –> 00:09:30.600 Joseph McElroy: Just to come, this one place, which is practically a huge barn.00:09:31.350 –> 00:09:38.490 Joseph McElroy: Yes, and it can hold I think about 2000 people every Saturday night, they have a live show with different bands.00:09:38.850 –> 00:09:46.680 Joseph McElroy: Either bluegrass were all the time, but if you look up Carter family followed on the Internet you'll see there so show schedule that's and stuff like.00:09:47.340 –> 00:09:59.880 Joseph McElroy: That and he'll do in the same town in Georgia snow like was part of that and Nicholas bills part of that counter mother Michael Carter this why what was your temples go for it I'm not sure I think.00:10:01.050 –> 00:10:11.760 Joseph McElroy: The houses were at one time, but it says the elevation we go a little more snow the houses, I was told was painted white he and then the purity of the people that like.00:10:13.980 –> 00:10:23.070 Joseph McElroy: it's not yeah I love snowflakes I still go back and visit when I can, and all the roads that you've got like bobsled road Jingle bell road, so you know.00:10:25.830 –> 00:10:31.860 Joseph McElroy: frosty road some kind of the main sport is a little bit of a tourist destination, or is it just out of the way it.00:10:32.760 –> 00:10:41.100 Joseph McElroy: sounds like not as much, but if you go on up into Nichols feel they have a famous restaurant it's just a little restaurant commentating anybody come from all over.00:10:41.490 –> 00:10:54.840 Joseph McElroy: to eat some other home cooked meals so that's our job easier right right yeah yeah yeah so this Carter folded you go there, often as a child, I did once I hit my teens teenage years I did a lot and.00:10:55.350 –> 00:11:03.840 Joseph McElroy: The people there are just found fun people and then to see the others come from Ireland, China, Japan everywhere, just to be a part of.00:11:04.380 –> 00:11:08.670 Joseph McElroy: The Carter family history because Johnny cash, of course, Mary Jean Carter.00:11:09.270 –> 00:11:22.350 Joseph McElroy: So you have that involvement, he did come to the Carver folds he actually had a house a stadium barfing did you get to see it, I did actually I got to see his last performance, to my knowledge, was at the Carter vote before he passed away and I.00:11:23.490 –> 00:11:33.840 Joseph McElroy: know that Johnny cash actually came to us oh wow my grandmother, the first woman broker real estate broker to spend the state of North Carolina.00:11:34.320 –> 00:11:42.570 Joseph McElroy: Actually, showed him around and showed improperly, wow right yeah I don't know why to use it was probably interesting as a ghost town with sphere, and we had a.00:11:43.050 –> 00:11:51.150 Joseph McElroy: Number of movie stars come here and started doing stuff and they were doing some lots of entertainment at the time, so that's probably why was it I don't know the full story, but I do.00:11:52.050 –> 00:11:58.770 Joseph McElroy: tell me that they were very down to earth and john jr I know he when he was younger before he had married.00:11:59.490 –> 00:12:07.530 Joseph McElroy: My friend and I actually were on the floor dancing when we were talking and he got out, he was shuffling around you know, having a good time, but they were very down-to-earth people.00:12:08.130 –> 00:12:11.370 Joseph McElroy: But I can't say enough about the Carter folks are trying to preserve.00:12:12.300 –> 00:12:22.860 Joseph McElroy: Joe and Jeanette the original ones that had built the quarter fault, have passed away and she admits daughter Rita is running it now oh cool but it's wonderful because they're preserving.00:12:23.640 –> 00:12:37.440 Joseph McElroy: You know old-time music bluegrass music, the history behind that Johnny cash is rocking chairs up there in the cabin so there's a lot of history, I have a museum, what about the middle of nowhere yeah out the middle of nowhere practically what I call a cow pasture.00:12:38.580 –> 00:12:43.200 Joseph McElroy: Well, this will go take a break now okay all right we'll come back we'll talk about your history alright sounds good.00:14:59.010 –> 00:15:12.510 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast my guest Kim Ross. so Kim so you started learning to dance pretty young, right? well, I grew up in a family that danced with my dad.00:15:13.050 –> 00:15:19.320 Joseph McElroy: was actually a tenant farmer his family was growing up, so they didn't own the land, but they work the land for people and Nicholas bill.00:15:19.740 –> 00:15:22.620 Joseph McElroy: And he was one of the best flat photos I've ever seen.00:15:23.100 –> 00:15:30.540 Joseph McElroy: They actually would put him up on the box I've heard the stories as a child and people would throw nickels and he would make money for his family that way.00:15:30.750 –> 00:15:46.890 Joseph McElroy: So I grew up flat footing and just grew up in a family, I never had lessons didn't know that there were certain names for movements yeah just and then of course going to the Carter fall just was a big influence that was a big yeah identify with that you know that.00:15:48.060 –> 00:15:58.680 Joseph McElroy: You know, we had the playhouse here, we had rabid Fairchild is here, yes, so I would yeah I grew up going to the playhouse just learned to do some I think.00:15:59.700 –> 00:16:06.450 Joseph McElroy: I told you before I can't even do the double-tap but I know how to you know shuffle around pretty good.00:16:09.840 –> 00:16:11.040 Joseph McElroy: New York City, I can take it.00:16:15.780 –> 00:16:25.260 Joseph McElroy: But there are some pretty bad, so there was no, no, but that was good, you know but.00:16:26.580 –> 00:16:44.790 Joseph McElroy: You actually moved here today, which is about 30 some years ago, I was just you know was sharing and just wanting to see different places and I'm in the medical field, so I got on at St joseph's hospital there and Asheville and I went to a street Vance Joseph queen was called.00:16:46.620 –> 00:16:56.850 Joseph McElroy: Say wow and I met the boy's Father there at the street dance a long time ago and state, of course, and had two children and homeschool right.00:16:57.210 –> 00:17:08.670 Joseph McElroy: They heavenly fire off and during the homeschool in tongues but didn't from start to finish, I wanted them to learn, you know about dance and music they actually play the music they had a band too.00:17:09.330 –> 00:17:23.760 Joseph McElroy: And about 13 years ago I started my dance team, of course, and it was from my end plus preserved and what I call traditional freestyle dance right to carry it on and teach my kids and educate them, otherwise I think it's going to be a lost art if we don't know.00:17:24.900 –> 00:17:36.330 Joseph McElroy: yeah well that's what we're going to promote it here because I believe it is very much yeah so so 30 some years ago, you came here and gotten started to get an immersive dance culture, yes.00:17:37.470 –> 00:17:48.420 Joseph McElroy: And you know what side you know I love Haywood county and bulk edit have live yeah Friday nights when an angel has live screen during the war bogs.00:17:48.990 –> 00:17:59.130 Joseph McElroy: an actual have the shindig on the great and then I know we can't have taken in the park on Friday night yeah yes wide variety so let's be.00:18:00.240 –> 00:18:05.100 Joseph McElroy: dancing in the streets and being made, I think it is and it's great.00:18:05.730 –> 00:18:18.570 Joseph McElroy: yeah especially postcode but now people want to get out and they're enjoying it and the one thing that my team does is actually teach with the audience out and teach them these routines some of the footwork and I love it yeah love it.00:18:19.470 –> 00:18:32.580 Joseph McElroy: So I know that you're immersed in the history of this now right yeah that's how you did a podcast on the history of the plugin Haywood county yeah can you give me like the one-minute spiel about.00:18:35.550 –> 00:18:38.790 Joseph McElroy: The dance things really started here in Haywood County and the end.00:18:39.780 –> 00:18:43.530 Joseph McElroy: and Joe same Queens family was big for that to you know big into that part.00:18:43.740 –> 00:18:56.460 Joseph McElroy: And in 1939 FDR was in an office king and Queen of England was on the way to Canada you want it to catch him to talk about Germany he and when he got them there and I think it's been there only visit your ever.00:18:56.940 –> 00:19:09.030 Joseph McElroy: And he brought in the concrete girls all-female string band and soco get bloggers or from a wood county you so they represented up their dance for the King and queen he fed them dots.00:19:09.780 –> 00:19:15.540 Joseph McElroy: And they later said it was the picnic that one the war because they did ally with us later with Germany.00:19:16.920 –> 00:19:24.540 Joseph McElroy: You know I've always said Haywood county is huge, you know the dance team competitions and the team started here and then basketball marlins for with.00:19:25.080 –> 00:19:33.480 Joseph McElroy: You know in Asheville with the shindig and the smoky mountain folk festival, and then the team dances competitions and then go into the White House what more could you.00:19:34.050 –> 00:19:41.940 Joseph McElroy: know and we're trying to preserve that because it was freestyle bands, which means that works all unique 80s and 90s, we had a lot of the World Championship yes.00:19:44.730 –> 00:19:51.270 Joseph McElroy: Yes, stomping around oh yeah are there on Saturday Saturday nights it used to be six days a week.00:19:53.040 –> 00:20:04.140 Joseph McElroy: yeah that was pretty amazing, but now kozel which is 90 now so he's probably I guess yeah yeah yeah and he still keeps single one and.00:20:04.980 –> 00:20:07.770 Joseph McElroy: Inside of that building beautiful place to go Nice.00:20:08.640 –> 00:20:21.360 Joseph McElroy: cool yes, so you started the J Creek Cloggers, yep, which is short for Jonathan creek which runs right in the back of the motel all the way down what's called down the gravel.00:20:21.840 –> 00:20:38.130 Joseph McElroy: yeah so in perspective, but people aren't 40 it's the exit 20 Maggie Valley exit you can come off and Jonathan creek runs a whole thing and then console into it, but most of us for from that area when I started the team 13 years, so we well you know I grew up.00:20:39.150 –> 00:20:46.260 Joseph McElroy: There too yeah pretty proud of that creaking yes yeah it was most of it so.00:20:47.340 –> 00:20:59.820 Joseph McElroy: What do you said you want to preserve the culture, but it was there any kind of catalyst that said just do this well I just you know, preserving the culture it's also a good social means because I was homeschool my children.00:21:00.570 –> 00:21:12.480 Joseph McElroy: You know, and to see now that we've grown from six to eight people when I started to 35, 40 people and a lot of them are teenagers to upset their electronics aside.00:21:15.120 –> 00:21:28.950 Joseph McElroy: and learn the culture, learn the dance and be educated on it and they want to do it so yeah oh yeah yeah I think that dances become popular in our culture, again, it is yeah I'll sudden now you know.00:21:29.820 –> 00:21:37.980 Joseph McElroy: Each routine has a meaning when you do ride some laughs and other things there's a meaning behind that teach that to the people on the team, but you know I.00:21:38.880 –> 00:21:49.410 Joseph McElroy: I thought was interesting looking at yeah I haven't seen you live, yet, but you're gonna be here till July it's already I'll be there yeah and you can teach my little three and a half-year-olds to call.00:21:51.270 –> 00:21:53.940 Joseph McElroy: audience, we want to evolve it yeah.00:21:54.420 –> 00:22:01.290 Joseph McElroy: So, but you get the audience directly involved by teaching them to additional steps yes.00:22:01.500 –> 00:22:09.120 Joseph McElroy: teaching them about history of each of the styles right we do because there's been advance and there's flat foot and the clogging board actually the.00:22:09.330 –> 00:22:14.370 Joseph McElroy: Queen of England coin that she was over you're visiting she said that looks a lot like clogging.00:22:14.670 –> 00:22:22.830 Joseph McElroy: So the clogging sort of got coined by her, but I started out flat foot, which I still do it's an old style of what what is difference between flat.00:22:23.520 –> 00:22:27.750 Joseph McElroy: Keep your with flat, but you keep your feet two inches from the floor, no more.00:22:27.990 –> 00:22:39.900 Joseph McElroy: Right it's mostly your lower body that works your legs and very little movement from your upper body, whereas, but thanks to this more exaggerated it's a lot of movement and you bring your feet, more than two inches off the floor.00:22:40.920 –> 00:22:44.100 Joseph McElroy: sort of what lessons, they have does is more what we call advances.00:22:44.730 –> 00:22:54.150 Joseph McElroy: flat foot and come out of the Scottish Irish I think yeah I think it's a mixed even the Cherokee yeah movements, like us, and then you get back in the mountains, you can even tell.00:22:54.510 –> 00:23:02.580 Joseph McElroy: People who are from canton by the style of dance versus people from cloud or wines what's really cool so it's just my style the town's every.00:23:04.770 –> 00:23:12.750 Joseph McElroy: Word networks created a sort of style here right yeah yeah he was famous for putting the water put on his head thanks to with other phone.00:23:16.050 –> 00:23:23.310 Joseph McElroy: did a great job with that yeah wow wow so so you know.00:23:26.160 –> 00:23:31.050 Joseph McElroy: You see, you already explained how clogged came about right, I have is that why.00:23:31.620 –> 00:23:42.270 Joseph McElroy: because she said that is not why it is with coins that you know as far as the movement was similar to what they did I think in England, but we have our own style but but but Nancy.00:23:42.870 –> 00:23:46.740 Joseph McElroy: You know I tell people that we have people on the team that strictly flat foot.00:23:47.160 –> 00:23:53.730 Joseph McElroy: We have people that strictly but Vance we have people that combine the two yeah so it's really nice because we're freestyle which means we're not.00:23:54.000 –> 00:24:04.110 Joseph McElroy: we're not in unison with our footwork but we're in the same seat now there's other stuff called stop this what is that i'm not sure I think that's just more word right but do a lot of stop and.00:24:05.580 –> 00:24:05.910 Joseph McElroy: Make sure.00:24:07.410 –> 00:24:17.220 Joseph McElroy: everybody's got different names for things I knew clog dancing I knew I knew flatfooted wasn't as much prevalent when I was growing up target above it but they.00:24:18.240 –> 00:24:29.190 Joseph McElroy: do about it and there are so many names that may not somebody says, but whatever and i'm like I didn't grow up with names I just grew up dancing you know, everybody has coined little movement so.00:24:29.700 –> 00:24:39.450 Joseph McElroy: there's multiple names out there for stuff so you started this 13 years ago, which means you got into the mix right yes and you've been I guess then you've been.00:24:40.230 –> 00:24:43.830 Joseph McElroy: you've been performing all over North Carolina the various festivals like phone.00:24:44.250 –> 00:24:54.870 Joseph McElroy: Number yeah all over we've we've been to the library dice frankie Griffin down male married we go into Virginia dance Tennessee South Carolina and that's before anything went viral.00:24:55.440 –> 00:25:00.060 Joseph McElroy: We were you know going around and week we were different color we don't have to say you.00:25:00.600 –> 00:25:12.300 Joseph McElroy: are more traditional kind of outfits and lots of color wow cool yeah So what is it what is your what are your favorite festivals, what are the ones you recommend people go see oh wow there's some.00:25:13.290 –> 00:25:20.220 Joseph McElroy: I know we have one coming up and deals are actually that I love it's coming up, I think, July 15 and then the Mount airy one that.00:25:21.750 –> 00:25:25.770 Joseph McElroy: was a close deals, for I think it's just the arts and crafts festival, and they have a slayer.00:25:26.670 –> 00:25:40.110 Joseph McElroy: And it's I believe it's July 15 will be in pigeon forge this coming weekend all right, and we have a big thing coming up July that I'm excited about the first time ever we're doing it it's on the side, or they wanted three a meet and greet.00:25:41.310 –> 00:25:52.800 Joseph McElroy: stomping grounds cool you get to make the team have pictures my with us and get out and dance with it, what time is that 123 o'clock 123 yeah look come at 10am to go.00:25:54.210 –> 00:25:54.870 Joseph McElroy: learn how to.00:25:57.390 –> 00:25:59.460 Joseph McElroy: go over there, they come back for bbq.00:26:01.290 –> 00:26:02.220 Joseph McElroy: i'll be ready to eat.00:26:03.990 –> 00:26:12.780 Joseph McElroy: that's a damn and everybody, we got a fabulous day for you, I tell you one of the other festivals that was awesome is Darnell farms, I don't know if you're familiar.00:26:13.230 –> 00:26:22.800 Joseph McElroy: But Oh, my goodness, I have strawberry festival yeah and will be at the watermelon festival coming up so there's just too many tonight oh yeah there's the apple for school but.00:26:23.490 –> 00:26:30.000 Joseph McElroy: When we did the riot fest points go, Scott, the smoky mountain festival I think it's coming back this year, like oh really yes.00:26:31.740 –> 00:26:38.670 Joseph McElroy: Yes, fabulous yeah we do have a lot of them yeah you ever want to come to a county where you get festival down.00:26:41.700 –> 00:26:49.530 Joseph McElroy: Which is great it's great so yeah so and as any venues, you have to stop the ground right oh yeah stomping grounds.00:26:50.250 –> 00:26:57.360 Joseph McElroy: But any other venues in western North Carolina that you think are just fabulous Well, I do have one into Andrews to Jamie's picking green.00:26:58.200 –> 00:27:12.660 Joseph McElroy: yeah it's not as well known, I don't think, but they have awesome music a fiddle player and he saw insider day that's too, so we don't get to go out with all difficult stomping ground yeah and wherever the mile high end as I love going there to.00:27:16.530 –> 00:27:17.970 Joseph McElroy: play out to be.00:27:19.650 –> 00:27:22.380 Joseph McElroy: with you to take another break we'll come back talk about the.00:29:31.140 –> 00:29:37.650 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back to the gateway to the smokies podcast my guest Kim Ross.00:29:38.160 –> 00:29:47.400 Joseph McElroy: So you know Kim, you know I'm impressed by you know you don't do you don't necessarily do this for a living, but to do for hash yes and you've been involved.00:29:47.940 –> 00:30:01.050 Joseph McElroy: You know, sharing knowledge sharing a passion for this dance of this music and I think that's fabulous I think you're doing a lot to distill that dispel the dumb hillbilly sharing.00:30:01.980 –> 00:30:03.780 Joseph McElroy: Maybe what you can play hillbilly Jim right.00:30:04.650 –> 00:30:14.850 Joseph McElroy: I believe it's July 23 it'll be out of here at the bag valley fairgrounds and will be there, I think it's six o'clock Vance and I'm really excited yeah This is our first time being disobedient.00:30:15.510 –> 00:30:41.550 Joseph McElroy: hillbilly jams, a great event huge stars come to hear people say oh yeah lots of man, will be dancer I think for about an hour, but recently right now that hillbilly myth has been hit dispelled, are you guys became essentially world famous due to to a video of your son said yes.00:30:43.320 –> 00:30:50.790 Joseph McElroy: dancing with the J creek Cloggers and went viral tell me about that Okay, so we were at Darnell farms of bras and city and mark.00:30:52.080 –> 00:30:57.120 Joseph McElroy: doing our thing just dancing as usual and somebody approached Jason Jordan, I think, was his name.00:30:57.600 –> 00:31:12.960 Joseph McElroy: I product to say we didn't know him is from Georgia visiting he said, can I feel you all and we're used to being filmed all the time, so I filmed and about a week later, you know I got woke up in the middle of night and said, your sons went viral and I thought Oh, is he sick.00:31:15.000 –> 00:31:20.520 Joseph McElroy: Now, and they're like no check out chick talk I said I don't know what it is don't know what instagram me.00:31:21.630 –> 00:31:31.320 Joseph McElroy: So I got a tik tok account, I saw it I'm like Oh, my goodness that's not the music that we were we were banjo and fiddle and they put it to the Hochstetler, yeah you know which was cool.00:31:31.890 –> 00:31:42.870 Joseph McElroy: Man, this is really neat and somebody named eggs Tyrone on instagram I finally got an account in April and it's like i've been looking for you guys he put i'm a thug by trick Daddy.00:31:45.720 –> 00:31:56.580 Joseph McElroy: You know and i'm like Oh, my goodness, so two months and we're at 120 7000 followers on instagram and millions upon millions of hits all these videos.00:31:56.970 –> 00:32:12.300 Joseph McElroy: And it's just been it's been almost overwhelming I had to bring on the sand, because I know nothing about other than Facebook only social media ever well that's what we grew up with, I mean we were there, the thousand so that's our demographic yeah.00:32:15.210 –> 00:32:15.600 Joseph McElroy: well.00:32:16.680 –> 00:32:20.940 Joseph McElroy: I did have to kick 50,000 years but you pay for you, you got 100 million.00:32:24.150 –> 00:32:39.570 Joseph McElroy: On me oh yeah and they just keep coming yeah we've shot several music videos with epic coming artists smile yeah fan in commercials products are being sent to us mail, you know to draw on and yeah yeah it's been it's been really good.00:32:40.650 –> 00:32:49.800 Joseph McElroy: and your your son said he's got it has become an icon and you got a new dictate what is that the legend calling the ledge oh really yes.00:32:51.060 –> 00:33:02.910 Joseph McElroy: coin that Charles run from American song Kelly clarkson snoop dogg it on TV came and shot a video with us to his new book good song and he coins their village.00:33:03.540 –> 00:33:18.030 Joseph McElroy: where it came from, and everybody on social media just started calling me back so therefore which the legends he does not have instagram everybody keeps asking he's under the J creek clovers because that's who he is he's a machinist trade.00:33:20.160 –> 00:33:20.550 Joseph McElroy: know.00:33:21.600 –> 00:33:23.520 Joseph McElroy: 1012-hour shifts through the way.00:33:24.960 –> 00:33:33.120 Joseph McElroy: yeah he's loving it and you guys have a you have coined a firm called term called the hillbilly Chris walken what is that.00:33:34.440 –> 00:33:41.250 Joseph McElroy: They had mentioned some of them had reached out to like Well he see dance Center he's Chris walken i'm like i'm sure you know he's been dancing.00:33:41.550 –> 00:33:50.820 Joseph McElroy: But um I guess in different environments that's what they call it, because he does, do you know funny stuff with his feet, is what I call it, we call it a spaghetti.00:33:51.840 –> 00:34:02.160 Joseph McElroy: all over the place, so we call it the hillbilly quick quick walk yeah well, I saw a video of him doing it, he said he called it, he said it looks like a broken ankle it does.00:34:02.700 –> 00:34:13.200 Joseph McElroy: That, but then he comes out and does with his feet yeah and it's just like he's floating on air, and if you notice his upper body movement doesn't move if legend that would be the flat foot part of.00:34:13.620 –> 00:34:19.500 Joseph McElroy: Phase one more but that's another step and he said the secret was he's actually I was totally yeah yeah.00:34:23.370 –> 00:34:26.730 Joseph McElroy: Having the wallet and then his smile is just infectious.00:34:27.750 –> 00:34:35.250 Joseph McElroy: You know so it's just all rolled into one and it went and you've gotten to perform on stage with superstars like like Caroline killing Charles.00:34:36.540 –> 00:34:50.580 Joseph McElroy: And then brandon being came he has a new hit out called blue collar squalor and he did the whole video here in South stopping really yes wow he's got a new one come out I think don't take my land coming out Monday next week you.00:34:52.020 –> 00:35:03.690 Joseph McElroy: Have you finished still say security router right we have we have we already had bookings before we went viral will not turn those down we've had multiple offers that we're going to fulfill everything we have.00:35:04.110 –> 00:35:13.830 Joseph McElroy: we're all about preserving tradition, will you you booked here after you do that yeah because we're Maggie Valley yeah yep because we're in your homes that.00:35:14.190 –> 00:35:23.460 Joseph McElroy: We really appreciate, yes, we have that date, open to work really well yeah I think we've got an event earlier that day and then of course the so.00:35:24.090 –> 00:35:33.180 Joseph McElroy: It went well, but we, you know we're all when I call blue-collar workers, all of us have real jobs from roofers to the machine is to medical field and.00:35:33.870 –> 00:35:43.620 Joseph McElroy: We just do this because we love it we want to preserve I think it's considered Americana nail what we yeah it's it's because you do, because you.00:35:54.990 –> 00:35:56.520 Joseph McElroy: want to stir.00:35:57.540 –> 00:35:58.140 Joseph McElroy: The sickness.00:36:00.360 –> 00:36:11.610 Joseph McElroy: fun to watch these in these I think they're called means mimi's I didn't know that means he's an all kinds of stuff now yeah it's hilarious that's a poor kid I wouldn't be starting next.00:36:12.570 –> 00:36:21.390 Joseph McElroy: week when he does interviews he's like I was dancing and my mom was failing because I didn't start until I gave birth to both of my kids but i'm probably when he was six or seven.00:36:21.690 –> 00:36:35.850 Joseph McElroy: took an interest, and then, when he was a teenager when I started to really immerse yourself in it and I told him what I knew, but I said, you need to find your own unique style with your footwork that's what makes us unique and we're freestyle dancers, and he did.00:36:37.260 –> 00:36:41.940 Joseph McElroy: Under the DNA just that you know he came up with his own little thing that he wanted to do when.00:36:42.510 –> 00:36:58.260 Joseph McElroy: You see a lot of that during what we call our rise and shine which means our show off a portion of our routine that's when you get to go out there and do your thing in front yeah we know when I was in New York, you know back in the day it's different now but back in the day, you know.00:36:59.430 –> 00:37:06.360 Joseph McElroy: Men didn't really get a lot of places the United States didn't get updates shops right yeah and I grew up buck dance right.00:37:07.470 –> 00:37:11.880 Joseph McElroy: People do I would say, you know I from haywood county where men are not afraid to give up.00:37:14.880 –> 00:37:20.190 Joseph McElroy: And we have we find that, as we go that people are really first they're not sure like want to get up.00:37:20.730 –> 00:37:27.450 Joseph McElroy: They see other people might just be and they have a blast I don't want to sit back down well you know they're they're just they're having fun and that's what it's all about.00:37:27.810 –> 00:37:37.890 Joseph McElroy: And how does a typical show go where you teach people started out he can perform which we on track, we usually do at darnell farms, we have a two hour show, but most of our shows are an hour long.00:37:38.490 –> 00:37:46.200 Joseph McElroy: So we go out their performance I speak a little bit and other performance and then we get the audience involved in my husband's professional square dance color.00:37:46.590 –> 00:37:53.160 Joseph McElroy: So he'll get them out teach them the circle ups and then I do a little educational talk and then we ended with a performance.00:37:53.490 –> 00:38:06.030 Joseph McElroy: So they get fully immersed in everything we do and plus I get to meet all of the dancing yeah all of us and we're just we always called our social circle of friendship, I want everybody to come out there and it could be as kids as young this.00:38:07.440 –> 00:38:17.340 Joseph McElroy: One of the children that started with me was two years old, and she said, think 12 or 13 now yeah cuz I got i've got a 30 year old son I should get him here dance.00:38:18.030 –> 00:38:32.250 Joseph McElroy: But I do have three and a half year old twins right and anya my daughter is already like do ballet she loves the class, but he said he likes to do that just freestyle that's good yeah goodness a perfect day yeah.00:38:32.970 –> 00:38:35.010 Joseph McElroy: Good for they're not bash for anything.00:38:35.190 –> 00:38:41.970 Joseph McElroy: And one thing about the team i'll say is we come from all walks of life with Italy everything else we leave it at the table and we cut.00:38:42.060 –> 00:38:53.190 Joseph McElroy: The fellowship the music and dance, we made it work for 13 years yeah just just having a good time enjoying laugh together well it's good that you have do you have any videos or or or.00:38:53.910 –> 00:39:03.120 Joseph McElroy: recordings or anything that you're done yourselves yeah we have somebody on the team vicki that actually records much to bark performances and so their own Facebook.00:39:03.480 –> 00:39:09.600 Joseph McElroy: jquery Congress instagram jquery cloggers tick tock tick tock are so there's plenty of videos out there.00:39:10.410 –> 00:39:20.100 Joseph McElroy: But people have been taken them and Devon over so a lot of the basic you here is not even what we're dancing to which it's been fun they paid us from everything to heavy metal to ballet music.00:39:21.960 –> 00:39:23.370 Joseph McElroy: Now, with this viral event.00:39:24.810 –> 00:39:36.810 Joseph McElroy: is how have you been handling I mean I was overwhelmed at first, because I was on page one 3000 comments, a day great message and everything else we grew so fast.00:39:37.500 –> 00:39:53.880 Joseph McElroy: role in my niece from kingsport Tennessee maddie is getting her degree in media to help with instagram my son's wife is doing the merchandise part and so you know I have people on the team their help, and so we were handling it now, but it was overwhelming I was ready to flush month.00:39:55.980 –> 00:39:56.370 Joseph McElroy: Although that.00:39:58.380 –> 00:40:08.070 Joseph McElroy: Is do you have a couple of negative yeah but not bad, no not bad at all, you know it's being I was amazed, because I wasn't sure you know.00:40:08.700 –> 00:40:19.560 Joseph McElroy: But no it's been I would say 99% positive you know you're always gonna have a few that come out, so I something they're like you know he's got a big belly well when we start thinking.00:40:20.160 –> 00:40:26.160 Joseph McElroy: within two weeks, the last probably 20 pounds once we get back on tour they have nervous like oh he's looks and white male.00:40:35.460 –> 00:40:39.480 Joseph McElroy: hey we can that's exactly it in a place here that, is there a carb heavy.00:40:42.600 –> 00:40:59.880 Joseph McElroy: yeah fine dining plates about this big oh yeah so i've been very blessed conceal the big one does videos what does pictures on the dance team they know nicer time so we've got the you know perfect mix now how is this newfound fame.00:41:01.350 –> 00:41:10.470 Joseph McElroy: But he's got to be very good son, he is now that people notice, you know they can run up and they want pictures made and he's had to learn how to balance that.00:41:10.680 –> 00:41:21.120 Joseph McElroy: Because you know, some people want to talk for 20 minutes we have performance coming up once it's done you're going to have to learn how to be nicely talk to them and they're telling you better performance and you can come back and talk a little later.00:41:21.630 –> 00:41:29.970 Joseph McElroy: But he wasn't sure how to handle everything its beginning and then he's just decided i'm just i'm nobody special as well, your special while.00:41:31.950 –> 00:41:35.880 Joseph McElroy: So, but he's doing well on the teams doing a lot of people recognize the team.00:41:37.320 –> 00:41:44.340 Joseph McElroy: yeah now i'm just the team incorporated in a separate set does it to know they're all.00:41:45.900 –> 00:41:54.960 Joseph McElroy: they're all unique yeah everybody's got their own unique footwork so we have several teenagers, we have excellent dancers, on the team he just happened to be the one I guess the.00:41:56.280 –> 00:41:57.180 Joseph McElroy: Music was right.00:41:58.710 –> 00:42:07.830 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah so they've all week which we have we're very family oriented and that's the way we've stayed nothing's really changed with us as a team we're still.00:42:08.220 –> 00:42:19.950 Joseph McElroy: The good people we always worried, you know enjoying laughs, but it has to affect yeah some vision of what your performances are going to be out your contents going to be, we know there.00:42:20.850 –> 00:42:25.530 Joseph McElroy: That there's bigger stuff on the horizon, that I can't talk about yet so we're gonna you know we're going to.00:42:26.130 –> 00:42:35.580 Joseph McElroy: Probably buckle down a little bit on exactly what we're going to be doing and nothing's going to change with the performances, but maybe just make sure the flow is there, you know.00:42:36.120 –> 00:42:49.080 Joseph McElroy: Asking questions that he asked me what do you expect How long are the you know, is it an hour performance, what would you like to see how would you like us to dress you know, sometimes we're an overall for the meal sometimes bluejeans yeah.00:42:50.100 –> 00:42:52.830 Joseph McElroy: yeah and overalls New York City.00:42:55.470 –> 00:43:03.180 Joseph McElroy: And the women's in dresses and criminal yeah yeah oh yeah all right we're gonna take the last break here and then come back and talk a little bit about.00:43:05.070 –> 00:43:06.060 Joseph McElroy: Like that all right.00:45:07.440 –> 00:45:15.960 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast my guest Kim Ross.00:45:16.560 –> 00:45:29.220 Joseph McElroy: You know you're a dancer and your transcript medical transcriptions yes, I read that you also had a pottery business for what did I had Ross pottery I was in the grove arcade and Asheville and did a lot.00:45:30.210 –> 00:45:42.480 Joseph McElroy: Of videos of all places, and it was called mountain made I think it's still there, she does local you know to the within I think 100-mile radius or something in North Carolina but yeah I loved it I did.00:45:43.590 –> 00:45:53.220 Joseph McElroy: a freeform style and then the wheel and loved it, but when this went viral I have not had time and I sold all my quick weeks ago.00:45:54.390 –> 00:45:55.740 Joseph McElroy: So you went all in.00:45:58.620 –> 00:46:05.730 Joseph McElroy: And just run in the regular login team, and now the disciplines went viral it's just you know I'm spending seven hours a day.00:46:06.330 –> 00:46:14.070 Joseph McElroy: Since the barrel thing just trying to keep up with the messages, but how did the you know the haptic experience of.00:46:14.550 –> 00:46:23.850 Joseph McElroy: Making pottery how did that translate it to answer vice versa, is there were there and I grew up over regards maybe so just from you know.00:46:24.510 –> 00:46:29.520 Joseph McElroy: The form, I don't know because I'm all about movement and pottery is all about.00:46:30.060 –> 00:46:37.590 Joseph McElroy: So some of my stuff, especially with the color variations, I had a very colorful person, you can tell them outfits are where when I plug.00:46:37.950 –> 00:46:50.190 Joseph McElroy: But my pottery would have it could be yellow-orange purple blues i'll mix everywhere, but yeah I would say just the movement of the pottery and again homeschooling the boys, I put them into pottery classes we've met good Earth.00:46:50.490 –> 00:46:59.640 Joseph McElroy: hazelwood I don't think that studios there anymore yeah Bob was a great teacher i'm left handed so he had a little bit of a harder time teaching me.00:47:00.900 –> 00:47:17.160 Joseph McElroy: I don't think like other people, you know, but I loved doing the pottery and again it was another avenue for the voice, you know, then they had their little band and dancing but yeah I sold everything we know I had to we had corey plot here Bob Smith oh yeah great.00:47:18.600 –> 00:47:30.600 Joseph McElroy: And you did a class half-day on pottery and my three year old twins came here and they actually paid attention for an hour and a half Oh, my goodness, can you imagine, can you imagine three or a.00:47:31.050 –> 00:47:40.740 Joseph McElroy: Day actually they're involved paid attention listening even asking questions getting a little pots and stuff like that I thought it is something that seems.00:47:41.460 –> 00:48:00.690 Joseph McElroy: Right yeah it is you know and it's part of the earth always say you know a lot of them get the claim it's local from bucks county Water plays out there, so but yeah I loved it, but I was ready to La yeah I can't do everything in place, so, if you look over here it's all good oh yeah.00:48:02.100 –> 00:48:05.430 Joseph McElroy: If you can find some of her binary somewhere it's now a collector's edition.00:48:06.480 –> 00:48:06.840 Joseph McElroy: yeah.00:48:09.030 –> 00:48:19.080 Joseph McElroy: So, so you know we we yeah this is this podcast is also just about get the smokies stuff in general, I like that, yes, talk about other things that they enjoy I know you like.00:48:19.590 –> 00:48:26.190 Joseph McElroy: I love it we go what sunburst not a lot and pink beds graveyard fields different places, my husband.00:48:26.790 –> 00:48:35.340 Joseph McElroy: Even we even get off and just don't even follow a trail he he was very young he's 65 now, but he knows all about up in that area and then.00:48:36.300 –> 00:48:48.480 Joseph McElroy: phishing attacks photographer to so I still do some photography just the family, my family and then, when we come out, we like to go to the pan your restaurant over there in class oh really yeah.00:48:50.460 –> 00:48:55.830 Joseph McElroy: that's a long time, oh yeah I really like the plan your you know yeah it's been around long.00:48:57.540 –> 00:48:58.740 Joseph McElroy: Enough peanut butter, milkshake.00:49:01.020 –> 00:49:01.800 Joseph McElroy: shake from sonic.00:49:03.570 –> 00:49:03.930 Joseph McElroy: Yes.00:49:07.380 –> 00:49:14.940 Joseph McElroy: yeah well is there, what if I wanted to take my twins out, you know there's only three and a half, they can't walk along well what would be the best family.00:49:15.720 –> 00:49:21.990 Joseph McElroy: Like to take your mom well like I said i'm begging the sunburst because there's a pull off right there is the campground.00:49:22.350 –> 00:49:29.970 Joseph McElroy: and pull in right there or to the left or the road and walk right down to the water it's a while, and then to the right of the campground.00:49:30.240 –> 00:49:38.640 Joseph McElroy: it's an easy walk to this just you know it's flat, so I would suggest there i'm sure yeah i'm just i'm real familiar with the place and love it by campfire.00:49:38.910 –> 00:49:45.510 Joseph McElroy: And being a photographer What would you say is one of the best places to go take photos oh wow like devils courthouse.00:49:45.870 –> 00:49:57.900 Joseph McElroy: sunburst again i've done and just any of the local places Jonathan Craig any of the waterways soco Scott gorgeous visa here too, so yeah just anywhere, the most photographed view in the stoke.00:49:59.070 –> 00:50:03.000 Joseph McElroy: there's an old there's old place there's still the old sign up there, that was yeah.00:50:04.170 –> 00:50:09.840 Joseph McElroy: The client actually has a beautiful oh yeah you down through the valley so yeah but.00:50:10.830 –> 00:50:22.200 Joseph McElroy: it's pretty you know it's there's so many places here that are just beautiful, you know I love up on pot like way up on the mountain and we have a gorgeous view sometimes we'll plan to fall back and everybody else was.00:50:23.160 –> 00:50:33.930 Joseph McElroy: yeah so we're getting close what is what's the future for the jquery floaters ah, I don't know we're taking it day by day we've had lots of our first from TV shows to.00:50:34.110 –> 00:50:41.190 Joseph McElroy: All kinds of stuff and we sit down, either as a team or a family and discuss each thing, some people just want their some people want the whole team.00:50:42.510 –> 00:50:43.200 Joseph McElroy: So we'll say.00:50:44.640 –> 00:50:45.300 Joseph McElroy: goodbye for.00:50:47.370 –> 00:50:54.390 Joseph McElroy: yeah sometimes I just want him just because I guess the legends they have went viral right.00:50:55.140 –> 00:51:04.860 Joseph McElroy: So we just take it day by day, you know yeah we're just taking our time not rushing in reading thing don't want to make any mistakes because we're still a family will stay that way yeah yeah that's good I mean.00:51:05.130 –> 00:51:10.410 Joseph McElroy: I was saying before you nobody's prepared for viral now I was back into dad one of the first five.00:51:10.860 –> 00:51:19.170 Joseph McElroy: videos and you're never prepared for it and then afterwards, you know you feel like he didn't leverage right, so you feel guilty.00:51:19.620 –> 00:51:31.890 Joseph McElroy: But i'm telling you right now, no matter what happens just enjoying the moment we are we're here and there's no way to be prepared for it and there's no way to figure out how to leverage it the leveraging it's like it happened by luck, a lot of.00:51:32.970 –> 00:51:41.370 Joseph McElroy: Meaning skill like met skill right and whatever you do with it is really just about as long as you're having fun.00:51:42.510 –> 00:51:49.890 Joseph McElroy: Are you can't put $1 sign on friendship or family i've always said that I would rather have my friends and family, the money any day.00:51:50.970 –> 00:51:55.920 Joseph McElroy: You know i'll walk away from some it's going to cause a problem, but you always have that in your pocket say, well, we were.00:51:57.420 –> 00:51:57.930 Joseph McElroy: People that's.00:51:58.980 –> 00:51:59.610 Joseph McElroy: worthwhile.00:52:00.630 –> 00:52:11.550 Joseph McElroy: For a while, maybe some of the education and you know, we had never heard of or seen it from other countries are all heard of suburban kids are learning how to plug do the hillbilly coupon.00:52:13.980 –> 00:52:19.290 Joseph McElroy: started it's great So how can people find out more about Okay, they can call me i'll get.00:52:21.000 –> 00:52:36.750 Joseph McElroy: Eight to 87340873 we're on instagram tick tock Facebook is Jay creek cloggers that's the letter J and then Casey rw JC see at gmail COM okay there's a couple of ways, you can.00:52:38.910 –> 00:52:46.560 Joseph McElroy: And we're on Instagram and Facebook all that's on there too yeah I don't forget July 30 there near la mota.00:52:47.640 –> 00:52:49.530 Joseph McElroy: dancing and teaching a little bit.00:52:50.910 –> 00:52:58.530 Joseph McElroy: And I'll be here, trying to put on a good foot and I'll get my little twins out there, and he might be my wife old state, we want everybody.00:52:59.550 –> 00:53:00.780 Joseph McElroy: We do a lot of fun.00:53:02.010 –> 00:53:02.400 Joseph McElroy: Right.00:53:04.710 –> 00:53:13.710 Joseph McElroy: Oh, my goodness, social dance music is very fun all right I'm ready for it yeah okay cool moment to thank you so much for being on the show.00:53:15.330 –> 00:53:24.990 Joseph McElroy: Congratulations on your thyroxine it always works blah oh yeah yeah and I look forward to your event on the 30th and maybe again in November right?00:53:25.380 –> 00:53:28.860 Joseph McElroy: yeah we'll be back at our school, yes, and this is the.00:53:29.370 –> 00:53:41.640 Joseph McElroy: gateway to the smoke these podcasts you can watch live every Friday night every I mean every Tuesday night from six to seven@facebook.com slash gateway to the smokies podcast.00:53:42.150 –> 00:53:52.590 Joseph McElroy: We are part of the talk radio dot nyc network, which is a network of live podcasts that range from self-help to travel to small business.00:53:52.860 –> 00:54:01.560 Joseph McElroy: To any number of things and I think it's a worthwhile network to listen to its very grassroots very, very rich content.00:54:02.130 –> 00:54:09.510 Joseph McElroy: On the ground, information that the tool finds very interesting whether you're traveling to the smokies or traveling to New York City.00:54:09.930 –> 00:54:22.110 Joseph McElroy: It has some information that I think is this is worthwhile I actually have another podcast on this network called wise content creates well, which is a marketing podcast and that's on Fridays from.00:54:23.070 –> 00:54:30.060 Joseph McElroy: 12 until one thought that'll probably be transitioning out because near future she's kept some of the old episodes because.00:54:30.360 –> 00:54:43.980 Joseph McElroy: It has a lot of the Ai stuff going on now I've interviewed many of the Ai people out there and they can even learn a bit about what's going to happen content machine intelligence about artificial intelligence, which I think is good for everybody.00:54:45.390 –> 00:54:58.710 Joseph McElroy: And it's been a pleasure talking here today with you guys and I will see you next week with another great show from six to seven on Tuesday night with the gateway to the smokies podcast Thank you very much.

Guest: RICHARD HURLEYIn this episode, you'll learn from our guest today some of the great advice for musicians and musicians-to-be and we are glad to have him on the show today! We're pleased to introduce our special guest today, Richard Hurley, a Canton, N.C. native, and UNC grad who is a veteran of the U.S. Navy, a former radio DJ, and a renowned award-winning songwriter and musician. He is active in community work, serving on various boards and as an emcee for Folkmoot, Shindig on the Green, the Mountain Dance & Folk Festival, and the Bascom Lamar Lunsford Festival, while also promoting area musical events along with his own musical projects –Cataloochee, and My Mountains, My Songs. He now resides in Asheville, N.C. In this podcast episode, he will discuss the North Carolina mountain music scene, his involvement in the community, his first (and second) music project as well as upcoming events in the area. https://richardhurleymusic.com/Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.SHOW NOTESSEGMENT 1August 1963 WBTL station was when it opened. He worked there during college promoting rock and country to other younger people. He got to do MC gigs in which he picked skills from people around him. Florida Boys and Old Kingsmen were some of the music they played. He admits to being naive when starting off playing, but now has a collection of guitars. He had the opportunity to work with JFK's personal naval aid. In the Navy, he got influenced by the chief of naval operations, and so he wrote a song on guitar and got it recorded. His song was inspired by Zumwalt (chief) and his z-grams, he got to meet up with him as Zumwalt thanked him in person and over letter for the song.SEGMENT 2In 1981 he made a record called The Ballet of Old Fort. He worked with the Crow Brothers, Raymond Fairchild, and Arnold Freeman. He used to casually play it for people and got encouragement to record it. Jimmy Haney and he worked as disc jocks. He was one of the speakers at Fairchild and stated “there's only one Raymond Fairchild''. They both had a close friendship and also looked up to each other as artists. Eddie Swan worked for Regal Media, he recorded people like Ben Skill, David Wilcox, and Brian Sutton over the span of his 50-year career. He had a homemade washtub bass and he used to carry it to a tomato festival in Canton with his brother to play there.SEGMENT 3His first project is called “My Mountain, My Songs”. He started it with a throwback, Old Fort. He received an award from the North Carolina Society of Historians for the historical value of his album. One of his songs was about the Coal Mountain Bomber Crash. He also sang about the floods of ‘04.SEGMENT 4He's been taking part in volunteer activities. Shindig on the Green starts this Saturday at the courthouse 7-10 pm. Mark Pruit took part in that event. Bearshare started in 1979, it was a great festival. His website has places to purchase his albums. Towards the end, a child breaks into the podcast recording to blow a raspberry at Hurley.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:41.040 –> 00:00:48.600 Joseph McElroy: Howdy, Welcome to the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast, this podcast is about America's most visited National Park.00:00:48.960 –> 00:01:01.410 Joseph McElroy: The Great Smoky Mountain National Park and the surrounding towns. This area is filled with ancient natural beauty, a deep-storied history, and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes. 00:01:01.890 –> 00:01:12.990 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklyn McElroy, a man of the world, but also with deep roots in these mountains. My family has lived in the Great Smokies for over 200 years. My business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:13.650 –> 00:01:24.330 Joseph McElroy: Today we're talking about Songs and then Cataloochee Valley by Richard hurley but first, let's talk about our sponsors.00:01:25.590 –> 00:01:34.470 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place evocative of motor courts of the past, yet modern and vibrant with a “Chic Appalachian” feel. A place for adventure and for relaxation.00:01:35.130 –> 00:01:44.040 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place where you can fish in a mountain heritage trout stream, grill the catch on fire, and eat accompanied by fine wine or craft beers.00:01:44.850 –> 00:01:57.420 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place with old-time music and world cultural sounds. 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we're gonna have some upcoming events at the Meadowlark Motel will tell you about.00:03:06.120 –> 00:03:19.920 Joseph McElroy: On July 9 we're having a wildcrafting and mother nature's natural garden program with the legendary Illa hatter it starts on Saturday, July 9th at 10 am with the program featuring.00:03:21.210 –> 00:03:30.570 Joseph McElroy: legendary wildcrafting expert, renowned author, filmmaker, instructor, and tour guide for the GSM National Park's elite GSM Field School educational programs, Illa Hatter.00:03:31.260 –> 00:03:42.090 Joseph McElroy: she's an is an expert on edible plants, medicinal herbs, and anything pertaining to wildcraft foraging and Appalachian plants, trees, and flowers.00:03:42.420 –> 00:03:56.190 Joseph McElroy: She has been featured on a variety of national television shows, videos, and books, and has worked as an advisor for multiple movies and television shows. she is an iconic female a smoky soon-to-be featured in one of our name theme groups.00:03:57.900 –> 00:04:13.350 Joseph McElroy: She will be presenting her beloved program Mother Nature's Natural Garden and leading a short tour of the grounds identifying nature's bounty that can be found in our own back yards.00:04:14.520 –> 00:04:20.640 Joseph McElroy: And then there'll be a free Barbecue supper and music by  Mike Ogletree and friends Saturday evening.00:04:21.210 –> 00:04:26.760 Joseph McElroy: $20 per person per night guests and it's free for motel disappeared as club members.00:04:27.540 –> 00:04:46.140 Joseph McElroy: Now a big event coming For those of you who want to learn how to write songs is August 12 and 13th we're having SONGWRITERS CAMP AND CONCERT WITH GRAMMY-WINNING ARTISTS JIM LAUDERDALE AND CHARLES HUMPHREYS III, ALONG WITH AWARD-WINNING ARTISTS DARREN NICHOLSON, CLAY MILLS, AND CHARLES CHAMBERLAIN.00:04:48.690 –> 00:04:54.420 Joseph McElroy: You won't get an opportunity like this very often in your life if you're wanting to really balancing.00:04:54.690 –> 00:05:01.140 Joseph McElroy: hanging out with grammy award-winning artists it's a two-day event of interactive songwriting structures with world-class musicians.00:05:01.440 –> 00:05:13.260 Joseph McElroy: a demo tape produced for each participant, a concert by the Songs From the Road Band on Friday Night, and a BBQ dinner and all-star concert on Saturday night.00:05:14.010 –> 00:05:24.150 Joseph McElroy: This is a unique event, no other place there's nothing, nothing else like it, and it will be a space will be limited to make sure that every participant gets into the.00:05:25.680 –> 00:05:31.110 Joseph McElroy: Attention the price is 675 dollars per person including all activities and the DEMO tape.00:05:31.440 –> 00:05:51.840 Joseph McElroy: The concerts and the dinner and everything else and their special room packages available for those that want to stay overnight at the meadowlark motel so call 8289261717 for details and the reserve your space and the reserve room again 8289261717 to get your place.00:05:52.860 –> 00:05:58.260 Joseph McElroy: there are also limited tickets available, just for the concerts and you can get those as well.00:05:59.850 –> 00:06:03.420 Joseph McElroy: Today, I have a great guest his name is Richard Hurley.00:06:05.010 –> 00:06:08.400 Joseph McElroy: He's a Canton, N.C. native, and UNC graduate I won't hold against.00:06:11.970 –> 00:06:21.270 Joseph McElroy: Is a vendor to the US day my friend, yeah he's a former radio DJ and renowned award-winning songwriter and musician.00:06:21.840 –> 00:06:34.710 Joseph McElroy: is active in Community work in service and serving on various boards and as an MC for food shindig on the green the mountain dance and folk festival, and the basket l'amour longsword festival.00:06:35.130 –> 00:06:47.010 Joseph McElroy: while also promoting area music events, along with his own musical projects will talk which we'll talk about Cataloochee and my mountains my song he resides in Asheville North Carolina my new home.00:06:50.820 –> 00:07:01.740 Joseph McElroy: So let's jump into something exciting, you are a DJ or w pto, and can we just spend about 17 years they tell us that actually a.00:07:02.430 –> 00:07:09.420 Joseph McElroy: station opened in August of 1963 there's already one station there that started in 1954.00:07:09.810 –> 00:07:16.080 Joseph McElroy: And the guy who made fresh they won't have a country station, because there was no kind of crustacean camp, so the open web GL.00:07:16.500 –> 00:07:27.660 Joseph McElroy: August of 63 what I wanted to have a high school kid that could bring in the hospital audience, so I got the gig has to be asked this jockey and that's back when Lou I for.00:07:28.740 –> 00:07:39.630 Joseph McElroy: us back in the dark ages, but I work there you're in college and before all the service in 1970 so was there off and on and had a great time and.00:07:40.410 –> 00:07:48.480 Joseph McElroy: learn a lot and got to play a lot, a lot of old country music at that time, some Gospel music rock music listening music play with it at all, it.00:07:49.140 –> 00:08:01.020 Joseph McElroy: was quite a fun time in my early career, yes, and how was it was help you in your career-defining experiences where your performance ability to do a performance there did yeah.00:08:01.560 –> 00:08:11.400 Joseph McElroy: It led me into doing some MC gigs which I carried on time I'm an MC stuff so yeah it was helpful in that regard and.00:08:12.810 –> 00:08:22.290 Joseph McElroy: You know, having to work there are a lot of people that came through that well you kind of pick up something from everybody you're exposed to in the music business like that so yeah it was quite helpful, then.00:08:22.560 –> 00:08:34.320 Joseph McElroy: Then, when I started doing shows later on the 80s and a lot of these old records I'd played back in the 60s were songs I learned back then, of course, I was influenced by a lot of those artists in the country and.00:08:34.680 –> 00:08:43.950 Joseph McElroy: The Kingston Trio, and some of the folks to hit 1958 when the case, the tree okay mouth Tom ui that just changed the world because I love it.00:08:44.820 –> 00:08:58.110 Joseph McElroy: It made this country teammate all the char key so so that is kind of what got me started running into that my folks got me Wendy when I was about 12 and I learned to play that and I bought a 10 hour day guitar for buddy mind.00:08:58.650 –> 00:09:04.170 Joseph McElroy: And that's kind of how I got to start making music and you got it you started, playing on the radio.00:09:04.680 –> 00:09:12.660 Joseph McElroy: Some early on to write a little bit i'd written a song about the know smothers market there and cam oh I just had his father's on.00:09:13.590 –> 00:09:24.960 Joseph McElroy: The smothers the sun yeah is that resembles they have here on the show granddaddy yeah and so, and that was mathers have a at the grocery store back man.00:09:25.470 –> 00:09:35.400 Joseph McElroy: And I wrote a song called Underwood it was like under what don't you wish we could anyway, we my brother's nice to play some of the only played at the Cannes first and made a festival.00:09:36.900 –> 00:09:45.930 Joseph McElroy: The new old why gone now when I recorded that just to you know they track tape back then, which both your sprinkler so, can you play that song.00:09:50.310 –> 00:10:00.420 Joseph McElroy: ready to record the, yeah Those are all good experiences, did you click Gospel to play Gospel on the air Yesterday we had a program called the Gospel care of and it's like 11 to 12.00:10:00.930 –> 00:10:08.850 Joseph McElroy: That I can just come in at nine, it was cold country star time in the guy named Jimmy hey Andy was a big influence on me early on, see behind there's a local musician he's.00:10:09.210 –> 00:10:20.250 Joseph McElroy: been gone number of years, but he was a he's an award-winning folk singer in fact team is the national focusing champion, I think it was 1950 or there abouts and a big influence on me, because he used to come to the grammar schools.00:10:20.610 –> 00:10:30.780 Joseph McElroy: And play programs us wow i'm going to be that one of these days, so that was kind of started Jimmy used to sign on six gutter 999 to 11 of.00:10:31.170 –> 00:10:40.860 Joseph McElroy: Country music and 11 to 12 Gospel man i'd come back to and go to two 330 with the country music and not go the easy listing is 330 to sign off.00:10:41.790 –> 00:10:52.890 Joseph McElroy: But it has to the rock the rock show was like 330 to 630 or something likely no experience I asked about the Gospel and I am one of the one of the.00:10:53.430 –> 00:11:11.550 Joseph McElroy: You know i've traveled a bit and one of the most popular brunches I ever saw was actually in Barbados yeah they had a Gospel brunch right they have run some even have a good old Gospel music right yeah people love that I would say that would probably go well, here too, yeah.00:11:13.770 –> 00:11:27.120 Joseph McElroy: Gospel me to certainly been popular in the south, for years and years yeah no he's play a lot of the old groups that you know the old Florida boys and the old kings cream local group and people like that.00:11:28.080 –> 00:11:39.120 Joseph McElroy: Number number of those great and there were some local people are bigger than the Gospel music did quite well Francis play lock and dam was a locally that's a big hit here and Haywood county back in the 60s there.00:11:40.860 –> 00:11:43.500 Joseph McElroy: But what was the what how did you learn to play.00:11:44.730 –> 00:11:51.090 Joseph McElroy: I got a Mel Bay 50-cent book shows the three chords C D E, F, and G.00:11:51.720 –> 00:12:05.880 Joseph McElroy: And the other progressions and I just kind of picked it up, but I was so naive, but that i'm embarrassed to say this, but i'm going to tell you to know, I was so naive I didn't have another you know but it's a play on territory, I didn't realize you had to change strings.00:12:07.740 –> 00:12:19.950 Joseph McElroy: Okay, once you know it doesn't matter you get a string I didn't even know that I learned later on, but that's how long did you almost entirely learn to do today, did you have some mentors are learning almost.00:12:22.110 –> 00:12:36.630 Joseph McElroy: All the gifts little G one gifts in the problem of 50s model for about I think I paid $25 for a buddy of mine and I eventually I got an Aston Martin guitar years later, that you know goes collects the guitars.00:12:38.400 –> 00:12:54.210 Joseph McElroy: that's pretty cool so you went off to your high school, then you went off to unc first are going to go the baby first went to usc usc usc yeah I started at usc I tell people is back when the tar heels we're still playing woman gym.00:12:56.250 –> 00:13:04.020 Joseph McElroy: Dean Dome that was before carmichael born with a we're playing a little again music Cunningham, was a senior housing right right so.00:13:04.800 –> 00:13:11.580 Joseph McElroy: that's how I got started when I would come home from school breaks, I would go back to the station and do vacation relief stuff like that and.00:13:12.060 –> 00:13:17.940 Joseph McElroy: I worked at Campo networks, the mail can't mill one summer season seven which is great experience paper.00:13:18.900 –> 00:13:29.040 Joseph McElroy: Paper data that helped me with my career later I got an extreme rarity coming so then after you and see you another baby yeah it was it was during the.com era where I.00:13:29.400 –> 00:13:36.330 Joseph McElroy: went out and did had one job interview, and they said come see us when you're through the starters, nobody would argue you got the service.00:13:37.350 –> 00:13:45.900 Joseph McElroy: So I ended up going to the program that required drilling for a year and then I went in on D for two years and then another three year obligation but.00:13:46.410 –> 00:13:52.620 Joseph McElroy: I was fortunate, I was on the USS wash, which is an aircraft carrier and we were in the North Atlantic up there.00:13:53.370 –> 00:14:06.390 Joseph McElroy: Doing maneuvers and but i've had the privilege to work with JFK personal naval eight so that was quite an experience I learned a lot from those guys and that all all those experiences help you later in life, you know I got it.00:14:07.500 –> 00:14:20.790 Joseph McElroy: cool and that was that was also the start of some my songwriting is in the navy the navy because i've got a memo zoom Lol Chief of naval operations back and he was loosening up the navy, let the skies where.00:14:22.380 –> 00:14:28.770 Joseph McElroy: He would come out these see grams, you know for some walls, the grams, and so I wrote a song called the balance is a graph.00:14:30.090 –> 00:14:47.970 Joseph McElroy: The Admiral heard about it, he called me to stay room and i've already guitar on our platform he wanted to send it to zoom wall record a little fork and say yeah little real real three inch screen record it you send it to zoom wall and month or so later I get this letter for.00:14:50.580 –> 00:14:56.760 Joseph McElroy: letter their little list of the guy says, you know, dear petty officer hurley Thank you so much for your song about.00:14:58.620 –> 00:15:05.910 Joseph McElroy: And he and I connect about seven years later, when he was out, and I was it came to Asheville to bait nuclear-armed with some retired general.00:15:06.360 –> 00:15:13.560 Joseph McElroy: And I walked up to him after the speech I said, George space, I do not remember the side of the road song about you and he said yeah I said on that side.00:15:15.570 –> 00:15:25.500 Joseph McElroy: Of the thought, he just met john, okay well cool well, we have to take a break now Sir so then we'll come back we'll talk more about your career in business and then in music, thank you.00:17:40.830 –> 00:17:47.430 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies podcasts and my guest Richard Hurley.00:17:47.880 –> 00:17:57.960 Joseph McElroy: So Richard after the navy, you had a long career as an HR manager for square D how's that good company well I just got real lucky because I come home.00:17:58.770 –> 00:18:08.460 Joseph McElroy: About three months before i'm supposed to get out of service and put an application and I had a cousin worked over there, and he put in a good word for me, I went into.00:18:08.940 –> 00:18:16.560 Joseph McElroy: That time I called personnel supervisory like backwards personnel manager personnel his word I started out the second seat and moved up.00:18:17.010 –> 00:18:28.140 Joseph McElroy: For years later I guess the first seat and and but my own volition, I wanted to stay in Nashville yeah so I thought Tom to I might have to move, but it worked out and it's great company they trade as well.00:18:28.590 –> 00:18:37.920 Joseph McElroy: And it was very giving kind of very caring complete and coming to the law united way and give a lot give a lot of bucks to the Community and various organizations out there.00:18:38.820 –> 00:18:57.540 Joseph McElroy: So I had a wonderful career cool did you get to play music, while you're while you're in that career not not in that role ticket I was out playing places i've crossed I did a record not team at one a coma valuable for mountain yeah remember that record a really.00:18:59.130 –> 00:19:08.730 Joseph McElroy: good idea as a 45 and dude legendary greatest of all banjo player Raymond Fairchild light on and Raymond I go back way back.00:19:09.540 –> 00:19:17.670 Joseph McElroy: The guy got Mr freeman has gone also and then the programmers who are popular good a tour with Raymond he's played with picking the brain.00:19:18.120 –> 00:19:29.040 Joseph McElroy: So i've written the song battle for mountain i've seen at parties and people see all the record that so as last time and then one day I said i'm not gonna turn around 10 years from now, and say what If so, I.00:19:29.730 –> 00:19:46.980 Joseph McElroy: called her brain is that would you got me and he said sure be led to some are also we got together having to be August 12 at one i've been coached now when you go to that studio do you're rehearsing before you go in there because that's money yeah right.00:19:49.980 –> 00:19:54.900 Joseph McElroy: Back stuff order ish will be asked our our weekly break door.00:19:55.650 –> 00:20:03.480 Joseph McElroy: And i'm sweating bullets and walk in that studio is following our with now on the studio and they said, like three Max back in those days now.00:20:03.870 –> 00:20:14.520 Joseph McElroy: According whole different ballgame instead of like three months and I kicked off on the guitar right and they jumped in this music, it was just fabulous and they just made that song so.00:20:15.540 –> 00:20:27.270 Joseph McElroy: It was 45 rpm so we took pto course never wc and w devotees but they all start playing on a call, so I saw him through angles markets, not so.00:20:27.870 –> 00:20:35.370 Joseph McElroy: pressed a couple of thousand problems, so I get a few hundred bucks but it kind of summer here when I was a kid yeah I also you know was looking.00:20:35.820 –> 00:20:39.240 Joseph McElroy: yeah well I don't know a while back, I was looking at what rate and fairchild.00:20:40.050 –> 00:20:48.030 Joseph McElroy: That record came out with him being on air yeah Yes, he was something else, but he he helped me out with that and it's all my first albums.00:20:48.510 –> 00:20:59.220 Joseph McElroy: Are all the songs on my to our songs i've written and the first album my mountains my songs I put that on air as a bonus track all the other tracks are things that we recorded so.00:20:59.790 –> 00:21:09.270 Joseph McElroy: cool yeah Bob Plott, you know, is the GM of the Meadowlark Smoky Mountain Heritage Center and he also helps put together.00:21:09.570 –> 00:21:17.610 Joseph McElroy: Some of the information of your questions and he mentioned that you mentioned one of them already rent Fairchild and when the other big musical influence was.00:21:17.940 –> 00:21:28.020 Joseph McElroy: Jimmy haney yeah I mentioned Jimmy a little bit earlier that we'd work together is discharged and he was like say when I was very school didn't come around to schools and play.00:21:28.500 –> 00:21:36.510 Joseph McElroy: ramin here's the store matt Ryan, that when Raymond was very before he became Raymond Fairchild famous like he was.00:21:37.200 –> 00:21:43.080 Joseph McElroy: He was working around these parts and he had done a wreck he'd done his first record old similar record was and.00:21:43.920 –> 00:21:56.910 Joseph McElroy: my brother came home with that record now listen to that man, this is just difference it's just it was like a snake charmer he just he had he had a way of playing songs that just drew me in.00:21:57.360 –> 00:22:08.040 Joseph McElroy: So I got some maintenance management time to evaluate he'd give me copies of his records without playing them on my program and then occasionally he another guy we have breakfast down.00:22:08.310 –> 00:22:17.460 Joseph McElroy: Little restaurants can either bottomless pit of on the show and play for 20 minutes or so, so that was how my friendship with Raymond started way back when.00:22:18.240 –> 00:22:30.120 Joseph McElroy: But, but he was he was really something else, and then, when he went to the brand debut the grand Ole opry and 78 he invited me to go live in essence up with down lana pick your brother.00:22:31.020 –> 00:22:39.030 Joseph McElroy: Already about for went over to the national we got to go backstage and all that one written bill Monroe balls hot dogs that would.00:22:40.980 –> 00:22:46.290 Joseph McElroy: Go out there Raymond walked out there and start playing and they had never heard it.00:22:47.700 –> 00:22:51.330 Joseph McElroy: encores of standing ovations yeah Raymond Fairchild00:22:53.160 –> 00:22:56.190 Joseph McElroy: Or, he was His grace banjo I think grace man.00:22:58.350 –> 00:23:05.160 Joseph McElroy: You could do it yeah and then, when he played here in the valley you remember the matter with me about the Opera House yeah like there.00:23:05.520 –> 00:23:16.650 Joseph McElroy: For years and was there, so yeah yeah but every time I would go in case, yet they see in his wife sure we had that business for number of years for writing and passed in October Tina thing was.00:23:17.070 –> 00:23:26.550 Joseph McElroy: Every time I go in the shadows he'd see me in the audience and so on his old friend is richer heard he used to play my record, so they played he played my record so much that they fired.00:23:28.530 –> 00:23:40.800 Joseph McElroy: Their more banjo players just ran and fell out there yeah true, of course, I had to build a service that is a That was a good story, and you can you got you did is you, with the right.00:23:41.790 –> 00:23:54.240 Joseph McElroy: Top right, I did I was asked to speak and I much some other people, but I was extremely flattered to be part of the one of the speakers that spoke there yeah it's up the stomping ground appear Maggie badly.00:23:55.440 –> 00:24:02.850 Joseph McElroy: And part of my comments, where I said, you know there's only one Elvis there's only one hank liam's there was only one Raymond fair to.00:24:04.140 –> 00:24:12.960 Joseph McElroy: One of my many comments talking about on a great person he was a good family man, he was a loving father and husband and just a great guy.00:24:13.560 –> 00:24:26.400 Joseph McElroy: But he had a gift he had to give a few few they have yet so the way he played that manager, I heard that he's a you know i've been from a value of them, and I have seen him a couple times and I think my dad.00:24:27.720 –> 00:24:28.770 Joseph McElroy: Daniel and i'm sure.00:24:30.660 –> 00:24:36.510 Joseph McElroy: yeah but you know my understanding was he was a great friend, but he was also a little cantankerous.00:24:40.170 –> 00:24:47.520 Joseph McElroy: He raised his music good yes very busy i'll tell you one thing is the Raymond was noted for.00:24:51.150 –> 00:24:52.800 Joseph McElroy: Aware of was.00:24:53.970 –> 00:25:03.510 Joseph McElroy: You know, some towns that have been leaner audiences than others and goes, you know, whatever reason, traffic or whatever, if there was one person that audience about ticket Raymond well and say that.00:25:03.870 –> 00:25:11.730 Joseph McElroy: will be 500 or whatever we're going to play them a good show he whether he play a whole show for one person, but the only matters i'm sorry cancer, he.00:25:12.210 –> 00:25:18.480 Joseph McElroy: said that person management and 500 miles to your show we're going to plan the show that's right he's very caring shorter guy.00:25:19.350 –> 00:25:35.280 Joseph McElroy: Very caring yeah he was the one guy, yeah well yeah we know we're talking about your records that's real Famous people on those records, but there are other Famous people to work with I've got some pretty heavy hitters all my albums.00:25:36.780 –> 00:25:56.130 Joseph McElroy: yeah but they they're people that I work with a guy named at swan yeah and regal music regal media it's a medical media.net website, but but he's he's been in business about 50 years he's reporting people like Ben scale and he's reported recorded David Wilcox.00:25:57.300 –> 00:26:09.330 Joseph McElroy: Brian sudden the great brown certain he's recording squire parsons that great deal and land song right dollars per summit be recorded that and he's worked with a lot of the great spirit.00:26:10.590 –> 00:26:14.370 Joseph McElroy: Anyway, yeah I got to work in an ad and Prince mountains together.00:26:15.600 –> 00:26:17.760 Joseph McElroy: Well, you got some some great ones.00:26:18.930 –> 00:26:27.030 Joseph McElroy: But before we get there, you know what I wanted to do understand you know your your songwriting right and you did some great songs i've read that.00:26:27.570 –> 00:26:37.110 Joseph McElroy: I was looking at, we listened to one and i've seen some of the others and and you're playing a guitar but you play anything else I don't really i'm not play I took a few.00:26:37.530 –> 00:26:46.110 Joseph McElroy: banjo lessons from mark pruitt the grading where he's on one of my hours to market and Martin our friends from way back, but I never could quite get into the banjo so I just like.00:26:47.430 –> 00:26:52.470 Joseph McElroy: I heard you got the the walk handmade watch the bass bass yeah so.00:26:53.610 –> 00:27:04.200 Joseph McElroy: what's that everybody should probably seen, or at least nothing prompts and you'll watch the bass bass so most folks have are not familiar he's turning on tobacco really be go watch.00:27:04.860 –> 00:27:14.250 Joseph McElroy: The one i'm not is over 70 years old, oh yeah sequence and during the home that middle of it and you take an old broomstick and just run a quarter size core.00:27:14.730 –> 00:27:21.450 Joseph McElroy: And you put it on and you hold the stick down the edge of your pocket, and that gives you a base, and it goes because of the tub and I was.00:27:22.440 –> 00:27:38.820 Joseph McElroy: awkward so you could have a vibrant right, so my brother's not playing at this tomato festival years going can't so I carried on part of my act and I tell people I said don't worry I get beaten up your audience the basement and then key is Spanish Oh, because.00:27:40.230 –> 00:27:54.990 Joseph McElroy: that's what that's that's a real fun part of my program and I always preface it by saying that don't worry this tub is is over 70 years old and literally the stick and string have been on there since 1969 oh my gosh it's been British.00:27:57.240 –> 00:27:59.730 Joseph McElroy: Is the shirt but don't worry it'll be okay.00:28:01.140 –> 00:28:02.430 Joseph McElroy: Yes, that's the fun part.00:28:03.510 –> 00:28:12.360 Joseph McElroy: Well, you know I don't know if you ever walked out white wines mainstream you know they have all sorts of sculptures on there yeah what i'm one of the sculptures as a duo.00:28:12.750 –> 00:28:22.680 Joseph McElroy: musicians are there 10 foot tall oh yeah I want them to watch oh yeah you see there, so people you definitely should make a pilgrimage there.00:28:24.180 –> 00:28:31.740 Joseph McElroy: is surprising people don't realize how long a sound that that will make and that's why people develop a years ago they didn't have money to go out and buy things that.00:28:32.370 –> 00:28:50.400 Joseph McElroy: improvised just like my good friend, David holds things on my album you know, David term Doc Watson about 14 years and David plays he plays a number of different instruments on his show when we're doing live shows he played paper bag and plays spoons like bones slugger.00:28:51.900 –> 00:28:56.220 Joseph McElroy: ization improvisation music over the years of development me.00:28:57.780 –> 00:29:02.190 Joseph McElroy: Well, we have to take another break now, when we come back we'll talk about some of your out straight.00:31:08.700 –> 00:31:18.690 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the Gateway to the smokies podcasts and My guest Richard Hurley, so Richard you've got two albums out right?00:31:19.440 –> 00:31:29.760 Joseph McElroy: Can you tell me about your first project was what my mountains by sounds so project called my mountains my songs and I can hold it up to the camera and those people watch it there.00:31:32.640 –> 00:31:46.470 Joseph McElroy: We started out with the old for the song which I mentioned I've written back in the quarterback in 81 I thought well Okay, this is 2013 just a few years later I bought a new cut a record over 30 years or so yeah all right yeah like it's in.00:31:47.520 –> 00:31:50.430 Joseph McElroy: Your cadence or is this musical okay yeah.00:31:53.190 –> 00:32:04.590 Joseph McElroy: I have written a bunch of songs over the years and just take them back in the files and whatnot so I'm sad pull them out and see what we can do with them, so I called a that holds a date I'm thinking about doing an album 20.00:32:05.760 –> 00:32:12.990 Joseph McElroy: Some recommendations well, you need to call josh to go forth josh go forth his genius musician the literature Madison county.00:32:13.620 –> 00:32:19.140 Joseph McElroy: He played all mile they played the lead guitar the rhythm guitar banjo the base the mandolin and fiddle.00:32:19.680 –> 00:32:29.940 Joseph McElroy: Allah and woven together oh wow so so that's how this thing started and we put these 15 songs on here with the old for a song being a bonus track, one of the.00:32:30.300 –> 00:32:41.580 Joseph McElroy: One of the ones you look at the reward thing here that North Carolina society of historians actually gave me a reward the reward for the historical significance of the project.00:32:42.330 –> 00:32:51.450 Joseph McElroy: And there's a song on here about the cold mountain bottom and crash oh yeah a lot of people saw the coal mountain movie, in the end, it was written by Charles Fraser.00:32:51.840 –> 00:32:57.300 Joseph McElroy: Franklin who has connections back to my hometown Cantonese model from their reason anyway.00:32:58.260 –> 00:33:08.640 Joseph McElroy: So the thing, most people don't realize, is that all Friday the 13th September 46 a beat 25 bomber was coming from Detroit to Tampa.00:33:09.180 –> 00:33:25.800 Joseph McElroy: And crashed into the topical mountain Mr bell about 150 feet, they call the Tower at that time in Bristol Tennessee, and so they wanted to go visual So be careful because of kind of nasty and rainy down there the next thing you know lamb youngest general near a core to sergeants to kernels.00:33:27.060 –> 00:33:29.250 Joseph McElroy: Imagine what that was like Crusoe big.00:33:30.360 –> 00:33:41.310 Joseph McElroy: yeah so a lady named George ron's cannon is deceased now she wrote a book about it and back about I guess was in 2012 I saw this book in the movies books here and label.00:33:41.820 –> 00:33:51.270 Joseph McElroy: And I got to look at so Now I know some of these and I read the book and I remembered hearing about it because, as a kid my late brother point over there and mountain across from where I grew up so that's that.00:33:51.840 –> 00:34:03.990 Joseph McElroy: that's plane crash okay fine my scoutmaster you talk, Okay, but it never text on the hack up there, so I went up the mountain couldn't find confining it crashed evidence is all in picked oh.00:34:05.130 –> 00:34:10.890 Joseph McElroy: Really, I wrote the song, so I got doors to a guy named.00:34:14.460 –> 00:34:22.080 Joseph McElroy: Having everything or guy helped me out down the road Moody help me out with this make sure my atma factor accurate.00:34:22.740 –> 00:34:34.290 Joseph McElroy: So, then, we recorded that song and Doris simplest thing to the north county historical society and they basically this whole thing because I got some other historic going on about the slides ago for over a year and i've got some other.00:34:34.770 –> 00:34:44.460 Joseph McElroy: songs similar and they gave you the historical and okay yeah I want to know why people get that but it's still a nice it's nice to get it yes.00:34:45.930 –> 00:34:49.980 Joseph McElroy: it's not a participation prize it actually does work.00:34:51.540 –> 00:34:53.370 Joseph McElroy: yeah exactly exactly.00:34:54.660 –> 00:34:58.830 Joseph McElroy: So you have you gotta go you gotta know saw you got a real a.00:34:59.340 –> 00:35:07.080 Joseph McElroy: Real it's real work, so you got a good thing, so this one, this one came out 13 and josh these musics is famous for singing swan the engineer, I mean he knows what he's doing.00:35:07.950 –> 00:35:21.060 Joseph McElroy: His fifth year so fast forward to 2021 I came out of this album fleet song Cataloochee, which is you know you know music to my heart to them now you alleys.00:35:21.510 –> 00:35:25.650 Joseph McElroy: Post account Lucy Lucy bow they've got the elk and everything else so.00:35:26.160 –> 00:35:26.760 Joseph McElroy: So tell us.00:35:27.000 –> 00:35:35.130 Joseph McElroy: Tell us the story of this one, the backstory is that there's a guy named Steve what he's a friend of mine, and he is a descendant of the old woody family, the life back in capital h.00:35:35.190 –> 00:35:43.800 Joseph McElroy: er and Steve one time there nationally known each other for years, he said, I said I understand you're having your big reunion coming up having here like first second weekend in August.00:35:44.100 –> 00:35:49.920 Joseph McElroy: Is yeah why don't you come about gifts, so now let's do that because I never been reading i've been Cataloochee00:35:50.310 –> 00:36:02.130 Joseph McElroy: So I went to the reunion and he got monitors church service there and during the shirts or is he going to do some politicians, then introduced me and said somebody might know Richard you know to pay with boy write songs just.00:36:02.760 –> 00:36:05.370 Joseph McElroy: said, I think he already song that Kevin did you, what do you all.00:36:08.460 –> 00:36:09.360 Joseph McElroy: feel blackmailing.00:36:11.250 –> 00:36:12.090 Joseph McElroy: wrote a song about.00:36:13.890 –> 00:36:25.710 Joseph McElroy: This research on it and the song and then he asked me to come play it, so I went back and played what that was 19 in August of 19 I played it live at church service oh that's Nice.00:36:26.310 –> 00:36:35.370 Joseph McElroy: I don't mean this to sound right people got emotional I got it I got emotional I don't know which one i'm Scott materials.00:36:36.900 –> 00:36:46.710 Joseph McElroy: emotional standing there and then I said i'm going to have to record it so we record it and got us some different players on this, some of the phone you got some great people on this.00:36:47.280 –> 00:36:53.670 Joseph McElroy: I mean, these are credible yeah TIM CERT and Darren Nicholson, both with balsam range or on their tone increases.00:36:54.150 –> 00:37:01.620 Joseph McElroy: percussionist that works these kind of movement else's grammar need work to Glen Campbell waylon are not waiting merle haggard and.00:37:02.010 –> 00:37:12.060 Joseph McElroy: James Taylor some of those guys and then, of course, David holds on Bobby hicks won a grammy with ricky skaggs the same time that mark did and RON said another little boy.00:37:12.600 –> 00:37:19.470 Joseph McElroy: So he's a 10 time grammy award actually bring to get him to help us out thanks to my buddy so we got some.00:37:20.010 –> 00:37:31.260 Joseph McElroy: Pretty heavy hitters not a dedicated this album to my old friend Ray M and fairchild there you go but he's got the cattle he song and it's got a number of other so there's one song on there you got the legend of losing weight.00:37:32.400 –> 00:37:39.600 Joseph McElroy: This week, there is Buddhism, can you give us a short version of what that is not sure what is a boogeyman.00:37:40.110 –> 00:37:44.100 Joseph McElroy: is actually a story that goes back in the legend goes back in the 1800s.00:37:44.370 –> 00:37:54.150 Joseph McElroy: And up like Logan which used to be on a champion paper back in the old days you had a little boogeyman cave in there is big picture of the boogeyman which is now in the in the downtown teflon.00:37:54.630 –> 00:38:05.010 Joseph McElroy: Remember yeah so patch mathers was the Mayor of can now he was he's been Mayor of can he called me up so we're going to the festival about food too much come in and see if I said to.00:38:05.430 –> 00:38:17.400 Joseph McElroy: And I said we'll go around song about it, so we wrote record a song called the legend of the blue, and it's all about the history of the book eight foot shaggy and eight foot tall and Shay you catch you move from.00:38:18.570 –> 00:38:21.480 Joseph McElroy: That it was it was that a big thing in canton.00:38:22.710 –> 00:38:36.570 Joseph McElroy: Where there was a bigger because he doesn't really remember, since he was in 1616 2016 so the legend came up with us from played the song, I wrote the song for that festival it only had that one year didn't.00:38:37.650 –> 00:38:46.920 Joseph McElroy: see that didn't happen after that, but you know the songs the songs on there and there's a guy named Dave Johnson place about 20 different instruments it's quite.00:38:47.400 –> 00:39:02.220 Joseph McElroy: Another local board down so that old for somewhere plays a mean plays everything he did all the music God and it came out pretty well and there's The thing is that when when i've given this to folks to original head is a single the kids get into this any kid.00:39:04.590 –> 00:39:11.850 Joseph McElroy: I guess it's the sound of the name boom oh yeah with it, but the story was a he had a penchant for two things he liked to go.00:39:12.390 –> 00:39:20.400 Joseph McElroy: He would hide out in the Bush is he was he was he was haven't counted version of victory right yeah see it out our leads there and he'd see the girls and their.00:39:21.240 –> 00:39:30.720 Joseph McElroy: Different pools, and then he said, the thing was he likes to go out and found all these precious stones and he had a cave and he'd go take them to that came storming or liquid jugs to fill them up many chat.00:39:31.620 –> 00:39:41.880 Joseph McElroy: Those two things so one day is how man is this young girls she's in the cooler swim and she sees the Buddha in their eyes walk and they fall in love.00:39:42.690 –> 00:39:49.470 Joseph McElroy: They get married and they go back to the mountains, but he still had to go out look for all these precious stones so she would get it out.00:39:51.870 –> 00:40:01.650 Joseph McElroy: Get lonely and share the harder for him and he had a holler back to the power till they came together and her name is Andy okay therefore came the word good man.00:40:04.440 –> 00:40:07.860 Joseph McElroy: that's Barclays really knows he's a hooter.00:40:10.050 –> 00:40:19.470 Joseph McElroy: So that's all in the song the legend wow that's that's a little tears a boogeyman yeah drinking booze and talking about losing this guy this.00:40:20.850 –> 00:40:23.160 Joseph McElroy: is given given oh i'm going to yeah.00:40:24.240 –> 00:40:29.370 Joseph McElroy: What is some of the other favorite songs is the one I think I think about the question.00:40:30.030 –> 00:40:45.780 Joseph McElroy: I think about some of the historic stuff is vascular marlins for Dino that name and he was he was the the minstrel the appalachians he was born on the campus plus now Marshall university and he started our mountain dance folk festival in 1928 and actual.00:40:47.010 –> 00:40:55.800 Joseph McElroy: Madison county ashbury it's the longest running folk festival in America well in America have you been on the board of that too right well i'm on the advisory.00:40:56.310 –> 00:41:06.510 Joseph McElroy: Playing there, and you see there yeah i'm involved with it for years and years but pete seeger came down to learn about the banjo from Boston the marlins for.00:41:07.020 –> 00:41:20.220 Joseph McElroy: pete seeger many of fans who know the music fans know he had that long neck banjo story was he got that from Boston oh so i've got a tribute to baskin here on on my album that I want other songs.00:41:21.480 –> 00:41:27.300 Joseph McElroy: i've got one on this placement about is called god's special children and it's about special needs kids oh.00:41:28.530 –> 00:41:34.950 Joseph McElroy: I was doing some volunteer work already worth and Center over ashfall which should help special needs kids and.00:41:35.250 –> 00:41:40.950 Joseph McElroy: A lady i've worked with came in and she said, well, you did so i'm going to volunteer what are you doing here she's talking pick up my son.00:41:41.460 –> 00:41:52.020 Joseph McElroy: And this was years actually both retired and our flashback and remember she has a son named our special needs kid adding them in the next mourners Christmas Eve.00:41:52.530 –> 00:42:02.040 Joseph McElroy: And I woke up and I wrote the song called god's special children, and I remember as a kid my mom used to say, and she lived to be rather than one she used to say.00:42:02.850 –> 00:42:10.350 Joseph McElroy: If you'd see you know, a special needs child she's it will sound Those are just god's special tool well that just made everything everything.00:42:11.340 –> 00:42:20.010 Joseph McElroy: That so we did God special to integrate at our producer was able to pull in a later that same with me on that harmonizing you read it came out pretty well.00:42:20.820 –> 00:42:37.440 Joseph McElroy: Actually we've got goodness the number of the things I don't call the leaning sound about what about columns guitars i've got one about monocle house burnett he was he was a great storyteller and fox theater okay now tell me Bob and his plot.00:42:38.730 –> 00:42:52.680 Joseph McElroy: State dogs, we all know that fox fox fox fox hunting, the thing, but my grandfather was a lousy he loved the Walker have the upper hand the latter house and I guarantee that we've known each other yeah.00:42:53.730 –> 00:43:04.590 Joseph McElroy: Big talks louder so I had written a song about him back in the 70s and I pulled out my files and revising David told plays washboard on it, and this David Johnson did some music.00:43:05.100 –> 00:43:12.870 Joseph McElroy: I said, you know we need some dog barks on this supposed to do is lackey do that and they weren't you and he put dog barks we're.00:43:14.100 –> 00:43:19.890 Joseph McElroy: Going on the mountain gotta go gotta go home because he's house burns, and he grew.00:43:22.050 –> 00:43:23.430 Joseph McElroy: up so we let the dogs.00:43:26.040 –> 00:43:36.690 Joseph McElroy: favorite their local flow but we're gonna have to take another break here and come back we'll finish up with some of the other things to do and how you can help people get the CDS right all right.00:45:37.980 –> 00:45:45.240 Joseph McElroy: Howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast and my guest Richard Hurley, So, Richard.00:45:45.810 –> 00:45:52.560 Joseph McElroy: You were born and raised in Canton but now you live in Asheville your most of your life so yeah why just stick in Asheville for?00:45:52.950 –> 00:46:03.210 Joseph McElroy: Well, I just love the mountains, like your intro when you're talking about your hotel and the great smoky mountains and the fishing stream all those things you talked about it's made me realize how fortunate I am to00:46:04.260 –> 00:46:05.460 Joseph McElroy: stay here in Asheville.00:46:06.540 –> 00:46:13.500 Joseph McElroy: Western North Carolina you know a lot of volunteer activities I'm involved with taking all across Western North Carolina but.00:46:13.890 –> 00:46:24.060 Joseph McElroy: I thought there was a time to do my career, I was gonna have to leave and move to another location or leasing company and do something else, and I was blessed lucky that I didn't have them leave.00:46:24.450 –> 00:46:31.920 Joseph McElroy: How do you like, how Asheville grown, oh I see it really changed and scrolled a lot, and this is an interesting place that's.00:46:32.460 –> 00:46:37.770 Joseph McElroy: what's that sort of a music city right? yeah, there's a lot of you know, the best years on every corner seemed like that.00:46:38.520 –> 00:46:47.850 Joseph McElroy: You know, we have a couple of events of advanced downtown like the shindig on the green which I also wrote a song about on the first album we have shindig on the green in front of the courthouse there on Saturday nights.00:46:47.970 –> 00:46:59.880 Joseph McElroy: These seven Saturday nights during the summer in fact we'll start this coming Saturday seven to 10 freebies right people bring a lawn chair or blanket and spread out there and they sit three hours, and we have all these musicians to come in.00:47:00.330 –> 00:47:09.750 Joseph McElroy: I'm going from deep in the hollers and some bones wherever square dance teams and all that and a lot of the greats like mark for it and Brian session, you know the hottest guitar player.00:47:10.200 –> 00:47:19.770 Joseph McElroy: In Ashville, I things the number one call guy over there and studios he cut his teeth or they've known split tons of big names play at home, Shindig on the green stage.00:47:20.700 –> 00:47:27.720 Joseph McElroy: But I know you've been involved with a lot of those different revenue festivals you're involved with bells here right.00:47:28.740 –> 00:47:40.830 Joseph McElroy: I wrote a song about that I know I saw that I was wondering what happened, the bell share it just finally ran its course really started in 1979, yeah and I don't remember what year it.00:47:41.700 –> 00:47:50.550 Joseph McElroy: folded video is a great festival, I mean how many times, do you walk down the street of Main Street drinking beer and eating a hot dog or whatever, and all this great entertainment oh my gosh.00:47:51.150 –> 00:47:58.080 Joseph McElroy: Is it that Doc and nice to have Skaggs and a lot of the big nice fact I mentioned a number of them in my song really yeah.00:47:59.010 –> 00:48:12.000 Joseph McElroy: So give people the flavor of what that was it was a special sort of vessel that folks got to get it back and 79 to have a street party with a sound about a phone on the phone or something different than normal kind of fair that got together got shows together and started a bill share.00:48:13.710 –> 00:48:21.240 Joseph McElroy: me just a beautiful life yeah the kids you grant end wife, which feed on the street, when the sun goes down music in the air and actually.00:48:21.960 –> 00:48:31.080 Joseph McElroy: There you go, of course, well you've been involved with a number of what other what other your favorite festivals well, those are pretty much it on ice.00:48:31.770 –> 00:48:37.380 Joseph McElroy: least try to go see Doc every time you come around I never played I played on the same show waiting one day out the.00:48:37.770 –> 00:48:45.180 Joseph McElroy: monster festival that marciel that's another big festival the basketball marlins, for it was the only festival, is he would let us his name.00:48:46.140 –> 00:48:59.220 Joseph McElroy: And it started, I think, somewhere, back in the 60s and 70s, but it was a Mars hill moving on bringing a lot of evil talent back in Madison county and other Mecca for musicians so that's a great fast.00:49:00.480 –> 00:49:14.160 Joseph McElroy: But I never I never got to play on the stage leap, but I did REP with chat room some backstage few few times on some of these programs but but tell us about the mountain DAS it falls fast again it's the granddaddy of all focused.00:49:15.300 –> 00:49:24.600 Joseph McElroy: that's the one yeah other venues what Ben is like the cholesterol killer well you know I like to go to some of the things that happened at the.00:49:25.080 –> 00:49:31.920 Joseph McElroy: Civic Center and some of the problems that happen there, and like you know, let us go back to see balsam range I've introduced those guys sometimes.00:49:32.370 –> 00:49:47.850 Joseph McElroy: Of course, my friend at work for those guys to the studio and he worked with the Steve can you arrange boy is not allowed, but anything in these venues that like your met your Maggie valley festival grounds here on some programs there and I played there actually one time.00:49:52.860 –> 00:49:53.700 Joseph McElroy: promote myself.00:49:57.120 –> 00:50:12.840 Joseph McElroy: I did a fair amount of volunteer work I go to Assisted Living Binion's places like that and people call me I go to a program they can come to a pool party that's not my opinion, without being a concert you got pretty much listen to the lyrics yeah right just.00:50:14.010 –> 00:50:24.120 Joseph McElroy: Because what so somebody coming to Western North Carolina asheville every county what you put in some things they shouldn't miss shindig on the green, they should not miss that.00:50:24.660 –> 00:50:34.470 Joseph McElroy: that's every every Saturday night not ever said that we break for the mountain dance folk festival start the 25th this it's always the first weekend around the fourth of July.00:50:35.070 –> 00:50:49.830 Joseph McElroy: 25 of June, this time, and then we have starting second on through the break for the things of the sixth of August basketball we said, our focus was always the first weekend long about sundown.00:50:51.180 –> 00:50:55.710 Joseph McElroy: What i'm saying is OK, for you folks were watch mean seven o'clock yeah.00:50:57.030 –> 00:51:13.050 Joseph McElroy: So that's a must see there yeah of course they'll share was pulling that was that was but there, there are a lot of fans out there that probably need to get around go visit some of them haven't visited all me I like the orange peel myself yeah.00:51:14.250 –> 00:51:23.040 Joseph McElroy: I did my bell share something there when when a buddy mine was chairing the camp chair and bill share asked me to come play it so we did that kind of kick it off.00:51:23.850 –> 00:51:35.100 Joseph McElroy: I just saw like 11 I think in New York City winery but he was also at the art of appeal to the Glasgow plays he plays a callings guitar that's brand new guitar and I played.00:51:35.700 –> 00:51:45.990 Joseph McElroy: college to the dishes mark i've got a song called the column guitar song oh really are you are you do, do you have a, you said you have a collection guitar.00:51:48.210 –> 00:51:50.790 Joseph McElroy: Like like nobody's saying you can't have too many guitar.00:51:52.950 –> 00:52:02.160 Joseph McElroy: When I wrote this song about the colonies that's your favorite yeah it's like the head of me my servers back 34 years I said, good bass print my name and she had severe.00:52:02.520 –> 00:52:09.930 Joseph McElroy: will spend it on the new and follow this new and following a hot rod car, no, no thing so good rather have a college, maybe.00:52:11.730 –> 00:52:12.420 Joseph McElroy: Not kick off.00:52:14.760 –> 00:52:20.010 Joseph McElroy: spent many years, making money and then decided to buy a hotel yeah That was a better.00:52:21.750 –> 00:52:36.150 Joseph McElroy: guitar yeah well, it was all the time I bought it because yeah yeah being home homestead and big ideas have been doing things with it now it's become something else, but I did get to touch Tony Tony robbins guitar when they.00:52:37.440 –> 00:52:38.010 Joseph McElroy: got to reach over.00:52:39.960 –> 00:52:51.630 Joseph McElroy: Well, how did How do people buy your albums well not my website and I was hoping might go take a look the websites Richard hurley he already why returning music.com.00:52:52.050 –> 00:53:00.660 Joseph McElroy: And the various tabs if they work through the tabs their maintenance places to pursue them and also my two videos are on that video about Kevin lynch.00:53:01.410 –> 00:53:10.380 Joseph McElroy: saw with all the beautiful pictures pictures make hundreds and i'm pretty sure not together a video there's a video about shindig on the green locally.00:53:11.370 –> 00:53:18.360 Joseph McElroy: leverage books here in waynesville strange for music Scott my album and can you get the picture of a mercantile maddie.00:53:19.170 –> 00:53:34.860 Joseph McElroy: actually got the Chamber of Commerce over there, but the average American music.com can lead you in the first place, and you have your Facebook or anything like Facebook, to look you up there yeah alright cool well yeah Thank you very much for.00:53:36.570 –> 00:53:49.920 Joseph McElroy: appreciate it, and you know it's just it's fun to come up with a song strikes you something happens that makes you want around a song it just feels really good you get it recorded.00:53:51.090 –> 00:53:58.440 Joseph McElroy: she's got a great show here I want you to be here what's nice about the smokies and the culture and everything, are you better than that.00:53:59.640 –> 00:54:00.000 Joseph McElroy: and00:54:01.350 –> 00:54:06.390 Joseph McElroy: my daughter just walk well hey there, this is the gateway to the spotify asked why do.00:54:06.870 –> 00:54:14.700 Joseph McElroy: You want to be on the show the show here my daughter's on this show is the gateway to the post focus podcast you can find out more about us at.00:54:15.270 –> 00:54:27.150 Joseph McElroy: Facebook COM says gateway to the smokies podcast and we're on the talk radio dot nyc network, which is a live podcast network with blocks of.00:54:27.690 –> 00:54:35.400 Joseph McElroy: Everyday alive podcasts that, ranging from small business to travel to self help to any number of things, but it's a really good network.00:54:35.790 –> 00:54:49.800 Joseph McElroy: If you like listening to podcast I would recommend you take a listen to some of the other shows all of us that work, I actually have another podcast on this network called wise content creators well, but we talked about you know, using modern content marketing practices.00:54:52.950 –> 00:55:01.140 Joseph McElroy: To help your business so that's on Fridays from noon until one, so I appreciate it that's an interesting you're just looking at us look us up, but this podcast.00:55:01.500 –> 00:55:16.470 Joseph McElroy: Is every Tuesday from six until seven we talked about the smoky mountains and hey we're county actual and Tennessee even and things to do, and things and doing the culture and the people that are here so take a take a look look up come back again.

In this episode, you'll learn what it takes to become a successful author while you discover the upbringing in the Cherokee culture. On this episode of the Gateway to the Smokies Podcast, we have a very special guest, Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle, a renowned author, writer, and educator. She is the author of Even as We Breathe, one of the best books of 2020 by National Public Radio. She is a graduate of Yale University and William and Mary and an enrolled member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Tribe. Annette resides with her family in Qualla, N.C., and is an avid mountain biker, and a staunch advocate for equal rights, education, and Cherokee history. She's joining us to talk about her journey of writing her award-winning debut novel, Even as We Breathe, and her latest book. She will also discuss the Cherokee education system, the importance of language preservation, and how we can influence change in our communities. Don't miss this out! ‍Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.Show NotesSegment 1Joseph kicks off today's episode mentioning the sponsors, The Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley and smokiesadventure.com. Joseph announces that this is his first podcast as a resident again in North Carolina! Some upcoming events include June 11 with a pottery seminar with Cory Plott, a master craftsman, who will teach you how to create your own handmade pottery. On June 18th, there will be part 4 of the heritage book series with Bob Plott, free for guests and members. Check out more events at meadowlarkmotel.com. He also introduces his guest, Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle. She is the author of Even as We Breathe, one of the best books of 2020 by National Public Radio. Annette was born and raised in the Smokies and a member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Tribe for her whole life. Her grandfather also has history with the tribe as well; his name was Osley Saunooke. She talks about how fascinating he was. Did you know that Osley was a wrestling world champion?! She also speaks about working in the family business and how her parents influenced her in learning and entrepreneurship.Segment 2Annette talks about getting her bachelor's degree from Yale University. She also got her Masters's degree at William and Mary. She talks about why chose to come back to the Smokies. Annette mentions her family and the connections she has in North Carolina and wants to continue to raise her family there. Annette also was a director if the Cherokee Preservation Foundation. She was also a teacher for 12 years. She also talks about her writing. Annette mentions having amazing teachers growing up which influenced her to be creative. She mentions a quote someone from Yale said to her and her mother when they visited the first time. The quote was “the best thing to do with a world-class education is to share it.” Her goals as a teacher are to create empathy and resilience through writing and the process. Some topics she mentions within this are making mistakes and the work that is part of this like the process of editing and writing. She discusses some ways she would teach her students. Annette talks about a manuscript that never officially got published called Going to Water. It's about a fictional story of her grandfather. She never got to know who he actually was as he passed away at an early age. So the character in the story was as close to what she knew of him, full of adventure.Segment 3Annette talks about her book Even as We Breathe, which came out in 2020. She says that she had read an article about the role that the Grove Park Inn played in World War II and Ashville's role as well. This history wasn't familiar to many historians and people like herself who have lived in Ashville for a long time. She gave herself a writing prompt and spent a long time writing on the simplest object that she could think of. In her method of writing, Annette spent time in a very tiny room in the Jackson County Library in Sylva, North Carolina. She talks about the story of what she wrote. She is very inspired by where she loves and the interactions as shown in her novel. It takes place in 1942 and is a coming-of-age kind of story. Until she was working on the marketing packet, she didn't realize that she wrote historical fiction. Other topics include issues of identity, racism, and Cherokee culture. She tells a funny story about teaching her students. She also talks about her decision to retire from teaching.Segment 4Annette says that she is working on a new book, a novel that's contemporary with a female protagonist. It's set in Cherokee, which is close to home. She also does nonfiction writing for regional magazines and edits for the Appalachian Future Series through the University Press of Kentucky. She also talks about teaching workshops in different locations. Annette also talks about mountain biking. She says that she likes to be in the middle of the woods, biking fast, and being isolated for a moment from everything. She even lost 65 pounds by mountain biking. Annette and Joseph also discuss favorite trails in North Carolina. For people going to visit Cherokee Reservation, Annette mentions visiting Sassy Sunflower, a sandwich shop. If you want a country buffet, you have to go to Granny's kitchen and get a pie. You can learn more about Annette at asaunookeclapsaddle.com. You can also search for her name on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter to connect!------------------------------------------------------------------------------TRANSCRIPT00:00:34.560 –> 00:00:46.140 Joseph McElroy: howdy welcome to the gateway to the smokies podcast this podcast is about America's most visited National Park, the great smoky mountain National Park in the surrounding towns.00:00:46.530 –> 00:00:55.020 Joseph McElroy: This area is filled with ancient natural beauty a deep storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes.00:00:55.350 –> 00:01:06.870 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklyn McElroy man of the world, but also with deep roots in these mountains My family has lived in the great smokies for over 200 years my business is in travel, but my heart is in culture.00:01:07.410 –> 00:01:14.190 Joseph McElroy: Today we're going to talk about masterful stories of the smokies but first let's talk about our sponsors.00:01:15.150 –> 00:01:26.400 Joseph McElroy: Imagine a place evocative of a motor court of the past, a modern environment with a Chic Appalachian feels. 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Your smoky mountain adventures start with where you stay.00:01:50.310 –> 00:01:58.860 Joseph McElroy: and other sponsors smokiesadventure.com at smokies plural adventure singular dot com smoky mountains and surrounding areas.00:01:59.250 –> 00:02:09.240 Joseph McElroy: It is a vacation destination for all seasons, some of the nation's best hiking trails waterfalls outdoor adventures and family entertainment can be found, right here.00:02:09.870 –> 00:02:21.300 Joseph McElroy: start your adventure by using smokies adventure.com to explore all the wonderful features of the great smoky mountains National Park, the trails the waterfalls, caves Code, the elk, and more.00:02:21.750 –> 00:02:34.890 Joseph McElroy: check out all the awesome family attractions and entertainment and lodging you and your entire family can enjoy and also find places to do life events like weddings and honeymoons and romantic weekends.00:02:35.400 –> 00:02:42.570 Joseph McElroy: The goal of smokies adventures is to become the leading information portal for adventures and experiences and the great smoky mountains.00:02:43.980 –> 00:02:56.130 Joseph McElroy: got some events coming up, by the way, this is my first podcast now as a resident again of North Carolina my family and I just moved to Asheville North Carolina so work at the gateway the smokies.00:02:57.660 –> 00:03:03.750 Joseph McElroy: and looking forward to exploring the smokies even further now being both in Buncombe County and Haywood County00:03:05.430 –> 00:03:12.150 Joseph McElroy: So that's events coming up is this coming weekend June 11 there's gonna be a Pottery Seminar with Cory Plott.00:03:12.720 –> 00:03:18.240 Joseph McElroy: he's a master potter and he's the Owner and Operator Plott Ware Pottery of Clyde North Carolina.00:03:18.840 –> 00:03:29.100 Joseph McElroy: And he brings his mobile studio to our resort to teach participants and to make that to make their own piece of handcrafted pottery you'll walk away with a piece of pottery.00:03:29.670 –> 00:03:40.530 Joseph McElroy: He will also be selling some of his award-winning elegant and durable utilitarian decor at the event, this weekend I just saw some wonderful wine to canvas you made that we're just fabulous.00:03:41.700 –> 00:03:53.640 Joseph McElroy: But you will get hands-on experience with a master craftsman and then you'll make your own pottery class limited to 20 participants and it's 65 for each non-guest and 20 for the.00:03:54.510 –> 00:04:08.040 Joseph McElroy: 25 for motel guests and heritage club members and then over the afterward will be a free Barbecue dinner and music with Michael Ogletree book your slot now call 82 89261717.00:04:09.030 –> 00:04:26.730 Joseph McElroy: On June 18 the following weekend there's going to be a part four of the heritage book series of Bob Plott and it's free for guests and members and so please join us for yet another informative entertaining and fun afternoon of his history, food, and music.00:04:28.200 –> 00:04:35.220 Joseph McElroy: With award-winning Author and Meadowlark Smoky Mountain Heritage Center General Manager Bob Plott, discusses his fourth book.00:04:35.550 –> 00:04:47.790 Joseph McElroy: Colorful Characters of the Great Smoky Mountains  weaves the lively stories of vibrant and intriguing characters such as the Cherokee chiefs Yonaguska,00:04:48.450 –> 00:05:00.150 Joseph McElroy: Oconostota, Dragging Canoe and their allies such as John Watts, along with their combatants—Robert Rogers, Quintin Kennedy, King Haigler, the Stockbridge Mohicans, Francis Marion, and others,00:05:00.540 –> 00:05:06.720 Joseph McElroy: as well as modern-day mountain icons such as Von Plott, Charles Miller, and Earl Lanning.00:05:07.200 –> 00:05:14.640 Joseph McElroy: It will be followed by a book signing and a delicious Barbecue dinner as well, and a company with acoustic music right Mike Ogletree and friends.00:05:14.970 –> 00:05:23.250 Joseph McElroy: The event is free to motel guests and Heritage Club members—there is an admission charge of ten dollars per person for all that are not staying there.00:05:25.320 –> 00:05:30.180 Joseph McElroy: And then August 6th is the Launch of the Cherokee Heritage Series with Davy Arch.00:05:31.170 –> 00:05:36.900 Joseph McElroy: Please join us in spending an intimate and enchanting afternoon with a tree true Appalachian treasure, Davy Arch.00:05:37.710 –> 00:05:44.910 Joseph McElroy: Davy is a world-class Cherokee tribal is storing and award-winning craftsman of traditional Cherokee crafts.00:05:45.330 –> 00:05:52.380 Joseph McElroy: specifically masks and baskets and he's a beloved spokesman for the Eastern band of the Cherokee tribe.00:05:52.860 –> 00:06:04.410 Joseph McElroy: The event will be followed by the Barbecue dinner and music with Michael Ogletree and Friends. Admission is $20 per person, for all these events call eight to 89261717 to reserve your seat now.00:06:05.640 –> 00:06:13.740 Joseph McElroy: Today we have a great guest, who knows a lot about Cherokee culture and stories in these mountains her name is Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle00:06:14.250 –> 00:06:25.140 Joseph McElroy: She is a renowned author writer and educator and is a graduate of Yale University and William and Mary as well as an enrolled member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Tribe.00:06:25.830 –> 00:06:37.710 Joseph McElroy: Her award-winning debut novel Even as we breathe, was the first novel published by a member of the eastern band of the Cherokee tribe, and his name or the best books of 2020 by the.00:06:38.370 –> 00:06:54.300 Joseph McElroy: NPR and that resides with their family in Qualla North Carolina, which is in in the Cherokee reservation and as an avid mountain bikers well as a staunch advocate for equal rights education Cherokee history hello, and how are you doing.00:06:54.900 –> 00:06:57.540 Annette Clapsaddle: I'm good I'm great to be here with you.00:06:58.110 –> 00:07:05.610 Joseph McElroy: Well, thank you for it's quite an honor to have you join us today you have a you have an interesting history and an impressive resume.00:07:06.000 –> 00:07:15.750 Joseph McElroy: And all of a sudden, you get all sorts of awards for your writing so that's pretty spectacular, but I wanted to start first with your background, you were born and raised in the smokies, right?00:07:16.440 –> 00:07:21.660 Annette Clapsaddle: that's right I lived here all my life, except for undergraduate and graduate school.00:07:22.140 –> 00:07:27.870 Joseph McElroy: cool and you've been a member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee tribe for that your whole life too right.00:07:28.230 –> 00:07:29.220 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah born in to it.00:07:30.120 –> 00:07:36.990 Joseph McElroy: Born into it, you have some history that your grandfather Osley Saunooke was chief of the tribe, right?00:07:37.680 –> 00:07:49.710 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah it seems Osley Burke Saunooke and he was an Eastern Chief in the 50s and into the early 60s.00:07:51.990 –> 00:07:54.360 Annette Clapsaddle: fan, where he was not a cheap teacher.00:07:54.810 –> 00:08:08.130 Joseph McElroy: cool well, And he was quite an interesting character in his own right, an esteemed tribal chief, a former Marine, who started a thriving tourist business in 1956 that as I understand it, is still operational today. What was that business?00:08:09.720 –> 00:08:10.080 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah.00:08:12.180 –> 00:08:19.590 Annette Clapsaddle: Trading first, and so the land where that is and it's also contiguous with kind of family land.00:08:20.670 –> 00:08:21.060 Annette Clapsaddle: That.00:08:22.170 –> 00:08:33.660 Annette Clapsaddle: That is home to cynics village so there are several shops there that kind of threw out of Chiefs in trading paste including to nicks millen shop that my dad built.00:08:34.890 –> 00:08:38.850 Joseph McElroy: cool well, it sounds like you to write about a book about him, you got any plans for that.00:08:41.340 –> 00:08:44.070 Annette Clapsaddle: I think we're going to talk later about my first novel and.00:08:48.210 –> 00:08:57.990 Joseph McElroy:  Bob Plott, as I mentioned earlier, our Meadowlark Heritage Center Director says his relatives knew him well and hunted with him often and spoke glowingly of him.00:08:59.400 –> 00:09:00.810 Joseph McElroy: Did you know him as a child and.00:09:02.880 –> 00:09:05.370 Joseph McElroy: How did he influence you and your growth.00:09:06.210 –> 00:09:22.080 Annette Clapsaddle: Unfortunately I didn't he died fairly young from complications to diabetes, so he passed away in 1965 at the age of 59 I was born in 81 so even my dad was fairly young.00:09:23.160 –> 00:09:39.930 Annette Clapsaddle: When my grandfather passed away but, honestly, was, in addition to being a to turn chief and a businessman, he was the heavyweight wrestling champion of the world, at one time, so he traveled the wrestling circuit.00:09:41.370 –> 00:09:43.740 Annette Clapsaddle: So he is incredibly fascinated.00:09:44.730 –> 00:09:46.590 Joseph McElroy: With the name from okay I.00:09:47.850 –> 00:09:56.820 Annette Clapsaddle: heard and like I'm sure Bob would say that everybody has a story about him whether it's true or not, what.00:09:58.110 –> 00:10:02.940 Joseph McElroy: When they're a bear museum there that had stuff for him as well, he.00:10:03.240 –> 00:10:03.900 At one paragraph.00:10:05.220 –> 00:10:08.970 Annette Clapsaddle: And yes, and that's it same area yeah.00:10:09.780 –> 00:10:12.630 Joseph McElroy: He wrestled so he wrestled a bear I mean I'm sure it was for sure.00:10:17.130 –> 00:10:24.990 Joseph McElroy: You know in this in this in this neighborhood North Asheville where we moved in we get lots of bears I've already had two black bears in my backyard.00:10:26.850 –> 00:10:28.140 Annette Clapsaddle: wrestling and I don't.00:10:30.210 –> 00:10:31.830 Joseph McElroy: i'm not planning on it, but.00:10:33.090 –> 00:10:36.360 Joseph McElroy: I will, I will say loud noises to them.00:10:39.660 –> 00:10:42.180 Joseph McElroy: So you're your mother.00:10:43.590 –> 00:10:47.550 Joseph McElroy: your mother, who is this daughter was a teacher, which you are as well right.00:10:48.030 –> 00:10:54.390 Annette Clapsaddle: Well, so yes and no so my mother is not his daughter my dad was his son.00:10:54.510 –> 00:11:00.930 Annette Clapsaddle: Oh, I said Okay, but my mom was a teacher for several years.00:11:03.120 –> 00:11:14.010 Annette Clapsaddle: And my dad was building his business and getting started and then my mom went to help full time with the family business and snakes village.00:11:15.030 –> 00:11:24.300 Annette Clapsaddle: But she taught reading, and this was before I was born and didn't really have click in with me that you know you can.00:11:24.690 –> 00:11:35.760 Annette Clapsaddle: You can be a teacher not be in a classroom, and so I think that she did in a lot of ways to influence me, even though I didn't grow up knowing her as a classroom teacher cool.00:11:37.590 –> 00:11:40.380 Joseph McElroy: So you guys, did you work in the family businesses as well.00:11:41.010 –> 00:11:41.640 Annette Clapsaddle: Oh yes.00:11:43.830 –> 00:11:43.980 Annette Clapsaddle: I think.00:11:44.910 –> 00:11:47.700 Joseph McElroy: wanted to work in this I worked in this Meadowlark motel businesses.00:11:49.200 –> 00:11:49.830 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah.00:11:50.250 –> 00:11:53.430 Annette Clapsaddle: As long as we can see over the counter we were hired.00:11:53.940 –> 00:11:56.280 Joseph McElroy: Right I got paid the.00:11:56.280 –> 00:11:58.080 Joseph McElroy: diamond room to clean rooms.00:12:02.220 –> 00:12:04.110 Annette Clapsaddle: got paid a bag of popcorn.00:12:09.300 –> 00:12:12.150 Joseph McElroy: Did that inspire you with his entrepreneurial activities.00:12:12.750 –> 00:12:16.110 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah you know I'm always inspired by my dad and.00:12:16.710 –> 00:12:23.490 Annette Clapsaddle: And yeah, I think, to be an entrepreneur is you know you have to be willing to take risks, so I don't feel like I've been.00:12:24.120 –> 00:12:33.090 Annette Clapsaddle: there yet, but I can take some of the same risks that he's taken throughout his life, it really turned out to be worth it, and but there's a creativity to it.00:12:34.080 –> 00:12:48.300 Annette Clapsaddle: That I have appreciated and I think I have picked up a little bit at least have that from him and I'm laughing myself because my dad was above me and lives in the House of the Hill and.00:12:49.740 –> 00:13:05.940 Annette Clapsaddle: And we my son and I were just helping him move a major piece of equipment in a really peculiar precarious way and that kind of and I, you know there's something that small business owners that want to do it themselves for the cheapest route possible.00:13:07.530 –> 00:13:21.150 Joseph McElroy: I had that imbued with me, but you know until I got into my 50s I did all my moves myself, you know that includes all the heavy furniture, but I can remember, sometimes having a pickup truck with things so pile though so high.00:13:22.200 –> 00:13:24.840 Joseph McElroy: I think, and this is a New York City, no less, and things.00:13:25.470 –> 00:13:30.000 Joseph McElroy: You know, getting ready to fall off, but you know that was just the way you did things right.00:13:32.160 –> 00:13:41.970 Joseph McElroy: That that was the life of the entrepreneur and the children of the entrepreneur, well, we have to go back and go and take a break, now that seems very quick, but we.00:13:42.660 –> 00:13:48.750 Joseph McElroy: we're having a good conversation here, so when we come back we'll start talking about a little bit more about your background and then get into your books.00:13:49.590 –> 00:13:50.190 Annette Clapsaddle: sounds great.00:16:06.270 –> 00:16:23.970 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guests Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle today is a today's a craft brewery from Western North Carolina is boozer but it's the king of the mountain double IPA and I can recommend that highly.00:16:25.620 –> 00:16:26.190 Annette Clapsaddle: victory.00:16:27.120 –> 00:16:28.140 Annette Clapsaddle: Right yeah.00:16:28.500 –> 00:16:39.210 Joseph McElroy: So that you have this great you had this great family and tribal support system and you became an honor student and then off you go to Yale University to get your bachelor's degree—right?00:16:40.410 –> 00:16:45.960 Joseph McElroy: Were you one of the first students from the Smokies to get an Ivy League education?00:16:46.530 –> 00:16:52.290 Annette Clapsaddle: And there were a few before me did had Ivy league education and.00:16:53.550 –> 00:17:08.310 Annette Clapsaddle: I know that there was a gentleman who had graduated from Dartmouth and there's a Tribal Member, and then a couple that I think we had gotten graduate degrees, maybe one undergraduate from Harvard I believe.00:17:09.060 –> 00:17:17.700 Annette Clapsaddle: don't hold me to it, but I believe that was the first Eastern band undergraduate at Yale, but I'm so happy to say that.00:17:19.020 –> 00:17:30.060 Annette Clapsaddle: Several has followed and after me, some and that just sent off one of my seniors and this year should be going to Yale in the fall.00:17:30.570 –> 00:17:45.120 Joseph McElroy: fabulous that's great no that's always good you know dispel that hillbilly stereotyping I I got to do a little bit of that myself I got to leave here and go to go to what the school system here in Haywood county got to go to Duke.00:17:46.260 –> 00:17:47.310 Joseph McElroy: yeah so.00:17:47.760 –> 00:17:53.190 Joseph McElroy: But you know it can be done in this in this remote wilderness, so to speak.00:17:55.290 –> 00:17:58.560 Joseph McElroy: And then you went to you got your master's degree at William and Mary.00:17:59.100 –> 00:17:59.790 Joseph McElroy: And you.00:17:59.850 –> 00:18:06.720 Joseph McElroy: and could probably have gotten a great job in any major city in the world, but yet you chose to come back home to the Smokies—why?00:18:07.350 –> 00:18:25.410 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah you know I did think for a short time about you know public policy in DC or something like that, but and I always tell people that you know so many people work their whole lives, so they can retire to this area, why don't I just start from the beginning.00:18:26.610 –> 00:18:33.990 Annette Clapsaddle: there's no point wasting time it is beautiful and certainly many family connections here.00:18:35.340 –> 00:18:47.280 Annette Clapsaddle: My husband is also from this area as well he's from swine county so I just had so many routes here and I didn't you know I've traveled my whole life I don't feel like I.00:18:49.020 –> 00:18:51.060 Annette Clapsaddle: was afraid to live anywhere else.00:18:52.170 –> 00:18:56.550 Annette Clapsaddle: But it's just such a beautiful place to be I like this face of it.00:18:58.110 –> 00:19:01.980 Annette Clapsaddle: And you know I want to raise my kids here.00:19:02.730 –> 00:19:07.050 Joseph McElroy: yeah well you got you did your00:19:08.040 –> 00:19:17.250 Joseph McElroy: Working and business and things and public policy or the Executive Director of the Cherokee preservation Foundation and the co-editor of the journal.00:19:17.670 –> 00:19:24.840 Joseph McElroy: Of Cherokee studies, but then you took your master's and your Ivy league degree and you became a teacher was the teacher for 11 years in high school.00:19:26.370 –> 00:19:26.760 Joseph McElroy: wasn't.00:19:28.140 –> 00:19:30.540 Joseph McElroy: That was an interesting choice what made that choice have.00:19:31.800 –> 00:19:45.240 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah so well I just completed my 12th year there was a little bit of a break, there were loud, while I was at the foundation, but I've known since I was little that I wanted to be a teacher I'm not exactly sure why.00:19:47.430 –> 00:20:01.230 Annette Clapsaddle: But we had a garden out in front of our house and they're the really big rocks different places in the garden, and so I made one of the biggest rocks was a teacher's desk and then they were student desk rocks.00:20:02.640 –> 00:20:09.300 Annette Clapsaddle: So my brother he's three years older than me went off to school to you know kindergarten and.00:20:09.870 –> 00:20:24.570 Annette Clapsaddle: How is playing school in our garden there's been something about teaching since I was little and that's interested me but I've also been so blessed with incredible incredible teachers throughout my life.00:20:25.650 –> 00:20:31.770 Annette Clapsaddle: You know, public I was a public school student kindergarten through high school.00:20:31.980 –> 00:20:33.330 Annette Clapsaddle: Meeting yes.00:20:34.560 –> 00:20:47.370 Annette Clapsaddle: And just had phenomenal teachers and I wanted to be like the English teachers, I had who always encouraged my creativity and writing.00:20:47.850 –> 00:20:54.480 Joseph McElroy: I saw a quote where you in a magazine, where you said, the best thing to do with a world-class education is to share it.00:20:55.050 –> 00:20:55.980 Annette Clapsaddle: Yes, so.00:20:56.280 –> 00:20:59.640 Annette Clapsaddle: The Director of the teacher prep program at Yale.00:21:00.810 –> 00:21:04.710 Annette Clapsaddle: is responsible for that quote because I stepped down to the campus.00:21:05.730 –> 00:21:11.340 Annette Clapsaddle: At Yale new haven Connecticut and my mom is with me revisiting and.00:21:12.630 –> 00:21:30.090 Annette Clapsaddle: We were introduced to the director of the teacher prep program and my mom who is very practical looked at him and says why would she go to Yale to become a teacher and he said that's, the best thing you can do with a world-class education.00:21:31.770 –> 00:21:33.510 Annette Clapsaddle: Today and my mom was, like all right good.00:21:34.800 –> 00:21:46.830 Joseph McElroy: yo there you go wow so, but now you also started writing, and in fact, in 2012 years sort of had a little success at it when did you first start writing?00:21:47.760 –> 00:22:05.970 Annette Clapsaddle: I read in my whole life, and you know I as I again I had these great teachers, so I still have these books that we made an elementary school out of you know cardboard and lined paper that we would take together and.00:22:07.080 –> 00:22:11.040 Annette Clapsaddle: I think my first writing contest was.00:22:13.230 –> 00:22:15.780 Annette Clapsaddle: It was either late middle school early.00:22:18.060 –> 00:22:20.490 Annette Clapsaddle: High School i'm actually i'm looking at.00:22:21.690 –> 00:22:34.860 Annette Clapsaddle: Night so my dad got me this very present I'm looking at a framed check and this is the first time I got paid for it my writing and because it was the first time I want a writing contest it happened big poetry which not my thing.00:22:35.910 –> 00:22:38.550 Annette Clapsaddle: But the date on the check is 1995.00:22:39.780 –> 00:22:47.910 Annette Clapsaddle: Freshman year I guess of high school is, I guess, if you know if you're entering contests you're getting a little serious about it.00:22:48.930 –> 00:22:52.050 Joseph McElroy: let's go see you are, you are actually very serious early on.00:22:52.530 –> 00:23:00.330 Joseph McElroy: yeah that's pretty cool and then you continue it, I mean a lot of people have the romance of being a writer, but don't follow through.00:23:00.840 –> 00:23:09.300 Joseph McElroy: it's nice Now I understand you know you're you know you've been writing on the side because you're a teacher but you've been using your experiences.00:23:09.960 –> 00:23:19.980 Joseph McElroy: Such as manuscripts as submissions finding agent rejects and notice, etc, with your so you've been sharing those experiences with your students why Why are you doing that?00:23:20.370 –> 00:23:24.120 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah well rejections a great teacher and I had plenty of it.00:23:27.090 –> 00:23:27.810 Annette Clapsaddle: You know, I think.00:23:29.010 –> 00:23:41.040 Annette Clapsaddle: my goal as a teacher is to one create empathy through literature, but also a sense of resilience in the writing process so.00:23:42.900 –> 00:23:57.780 Annette Clapsaddle: you know I tried to balance, as she lives her, I was teaching and writing and then I realized how much I was learning as a student of literature, through my own process as a writer, so I.00:23:59.700 –> 00:24:13.950 Annette Clapsaddle: Would talk to students about what does a query letter look like and what's important to share, about a story, you know that I'm trying to pitch or whatnot and about the mistakes, I would make.00:24:15.060 –> 00:24:23.880 Annette Clapsaddle: And, and how to overcome them and they love that you know their teachers, making mistakes like this.00:24:25.530 –> 00:24:26.610 Annette Clapsaddle: But also.00:24:29.010 –> 00:24:38.580 Annette Clapsaddle: As you know, there are really like two cohorts of students that went through the process of the novel and it was so exciting to00:24:39.210 –> 00:24:54.630 Annette Clapsaddle: And yeah I told them I would get an email from an agent, this is early on, and then I query you know I would say okay guys, I have an email in my inbox I haven't read it, yet here we go and I would read it to you know.00:24:55.980 –> 00:24:56.940 Annette Clapsaddle: They want to know.00:24:59.580 –> 00:25:17.370 Annette Clapsaddle: The classic got to witness the publication process that means, and that was a very special time and then they went through the editing process with me and with you know, not everything, but to say Okay, do you see this, this is just one page of edits.00:25:18.510 –> 00:25:29.520 Annette Clapsaddle: Do it for them to understand it that's part of it and then, then, of course, this last class and they think they want to go on book tour with me.00:25:33.180 –> 00:25:37.770 Annette Clapsaddle: Right yeah publicity endemic because that's what they've gotten.00:25:37.830 –> 00:25:49.320 Annette Clapsaddle: to witness and they've been a part of some of my like zoom calls and whatnot and especially with the University of it's a good experience for them.00:25:50.160 –> 00:25:59.790 Joseph McElroy: it's nice to make your life part of the education process, I understand that your kids now have your know ambitions to be world-class or whatever they do right.00:26:00.300 –> 00:26:05.370 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah then it's possible that they know somebody it becomes normalized for them and.00:26:07.200 –> 00:26:11.400 Joseph McElroy: normalizes normalizing education normalizing success, I mean.00:26:11.820 –> 00:26:18.390 Joseph McElroy: That you know I talked about where people follow the patterns of success right when they see patterns that are successful.00:26:18.660 –> 00:26:31.560 Joseph McElroy: They will naturally start replicating those right and it's important for children to see those I think it's a wonderful thing to show them that process, you know firsthand well I can't my tip my hat to you that's great.00:26:33.540 –> 00:26:40.200 Joseph McElroy: So I mentioned before, I think, in 2012 your first manuscript won an award that was never published, can you tell us what that was and.00:26:41.220 –> 00:26:43.140 Joseph McElroy: Why I didn't publish and that sort of thing.00:26:43.470 –> 00:26:54.960 Annette Clapsaddle: So the title of that was going to water, and it was a finalist for him bellwether for is essentially engaged fiction and then one a couple of other awards but.00:26:56.160 –> 00:27:07.770 Annette Clapsaddle: It is the fictionalized story of my grandfather asked listening, but I changed names and whatnot to protect the innocent and the reasons.00:27:08.100 –> 00:27:22.470 Annette Clapsaddle: And you know, besides the fact he did the fascinating character, as I mentioned earlier, I never really felt like I'd know the full truth of who he was until I decided to make up, who I thought he would be.00:27:24.120 –> 00:27:36.270 Annette Clapsaddle: How he might react to the situation, so I use a lot of the facts from his life and but you know it is still fiction I don't want to make my aunts and uncles mad at me, sir.00:27:38.550 –> 00:27:56.400 Annette Clapsaddle: But you know it got close to publication a few times and I just I was trying to find an agent who understood that voice of where I come from that initial man Cherokees very different than other tribes and never really could quite connect with the right agent.00:27:56.490 –> 00:27:59.100 Annette Clapsaddle: So it's challenge for now.00:27:59.850 –> 00:28:19.110 Joseph McElroy: I think I think it'd make a wonderful movie or play or something like that, so now his life was yeah it's got all those adventure wrestling business chief, and you know that'd be cool alright, so we have to take another break and we'll get into your book alright.00:28:19.590 –> 00:28:20.370 Annette Clapsaddle: Alright sounds great.00:30:26.700 –> 00:30:34.140 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the Gateway to the smokies podcast my guest Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle.00:30:35.400 –> 00:30:41.880 Joseph McElroy: So in that you've also written from any national publications, such as the Atlanta and literature hub and.00:30:42.270 –> 00:30:49.020 Joseph McElroy: what's your real breakthrough was their debut novel even as we breathe, which came out in the middle of covid in 2020.00:30:49.500 –> 00:31:02.370 Joseph McElroy: And NPR put it on us best bet best books list and then later won the Thomas Wolfe literary award so congratulations that's great so what inspired you to run right this wonderful now?00:31:03.210 –> 00:31:15.570 Annette Clapsaddle: So I'm a few things kind of came together again and the most significant was that I had read an article in Nashville SIS and times.00:31:16.530 –> 00:31:23.970 Annette Clapsaddle: about the role the growth park plays in World War Two, the summer of 19 and actually.00:31:24.390 –> 00:31:35.820 Annette Clapsaddle: It was that article is really that actual role and during World War Two and there was a small paragraph about the growth parks role and during that time and so.00:31:36.600 –> 00:31:50.460 Annette Clapsaddle: You know, it said that the growth part held access and diplomats and foreign nationals are prisoners of war, the summer of 1942 and, as you mentioned earlier I've lived here my entire life and I had never heard that his.00:31:50.760 –> 00:31:51.810 Joseph McElroy: motive either yeah.00:31:52.710 –> 00:31:54.060 Annette Clapsaddle: And a lot of the people.00:31:55.410 –> 00:31:56.160 Annette Clapsaddle: Who.00:31:56.400 –> 00:31:56.850 Annette Clapsaddle: You know.00:31:57.390 –> 00:32:06.120 Annette Clapsaddle: A lot of local the stories that are that's where my husband is a former history teacher they were also not familiar.00:32:06.480 –> 00:32:12.150 Annette Clapsaddle: With that history so that's enough of a mystery, and for me to dig into a little bit more.00:32:12.720 –> 00:32:22.650 Annette Clapsaddle: And so I'd also given myself a writing prompt and this is after like the first novel I couldn't get published and I just was going to start something new.00:32:23.040 –> 00:32:31.380 Annette Clapsaddle: And so I've given myself a writing prompt right as long as I possibly could and on the simplest object, I could think of.00:32:31.800 –> 00:32:48.030 Annette Clapsaddle: me some reason, I chose a bone a clean bone and I worked for a very long time in a very tiny room in the Jackson county library in Sylva North Carolina, and out of that piece and really thinking about.00:32:49.800 –> 00:33:02.160 Annette Clapsaddle: You know what we leave behind and and and how we are judged on earth and how those things are often counter counter-intuitive right and.00:33:02.940 –> 00:33:21.030 Annette Clapsaddle: I decided that I wanted to see what would happen if I took a member of a sovereign nation so county sequoia is the protagonist who lives, who leaves Cherokee to go work at the grove park in and forgets the don't know the growth part is.00:33:22.230 –> 00:33:33.510 Annette Clapsaddle: A very high-class resort so President stays there girl said, you know, instead of counting guys to work there is a very different.00:33:33.960 –> 00:33:48.510 Annette Clapsaddle: and social environment but it's also during wartime so this question of citizenship and belonging in place all becomes really relevant so and it was a really a setting driven novel.00:33:49.020 –> 00:33:55.950 Annette Clapsaddle: which seems odd to me to write you know and but it made a lot of sense and to really kind of turn up the heat.00:33:57.120 –> 00:33:57.480 Annette Clapsaddle: Like.00:33:57.810 –> 00:34:00.420 Joseph McElroy: That doesn't strike me as odd about you, I mean you.00:34:00.480 –> 00:34:01.080 Joseph McElroy: You love.00:34:01.170 –> 00:34:07.650 Joseph McElroy: The settings of the mountains, you came back to live in it, you know I think settings is actually something that is is important to you.00:34:08.250 –> 00:34:12.810 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah absolutely and daily inspired.00:34:13.830 –> 00:34:33.030 Annette Clapsaddle: By where I live, and the people of this place and in our interactions with this place, so I you know I just I think prior to that I always thought well novels are you like plot-driven or the character-driven but this setting really kind of exploded into the narrative.00:34:34.050 –> 00:34:51.180 Joseph McElroy: So it takes place in 1942 and it's interesting you deal with you know, a love story coming age story now I've you know I've just started the novel you know I just moved to Asheville but you know we move new near to the growth park in.00:34:53.190 –> 00:35:03.840 Joseph McElroy: And yeah Bob Bob was telling me about you and I got the book and I've started writing, but I had a lot of time to finish it, so I don't know all of it but Bob it says it's a masterpiece or a.00:35:06.840 –> 00:35:16.020 Joseph McElroy: History Western North Carolina and I believe he's very good at that sort of thing but it's interesting already that I'm seeing you're also dealing with issues of citizenship.00:35:16.380 –> 00:35:30.450 Joseph McElroy: Identity and racism, all the concepts that we're debating and dealing with today, was that purposeful or came about just from the characters and setting.00:35:31.440 –> 00:35:42.720 Annette Clapsaddle: In some ways, it was purposeful, and even from the earliest writing exercise thinking about the phone and he reminded me of when I worked in.00:35:43.800 –> 00:35:54.840 Annette Clapsaddle: Our chief's office at one time after graduate school as a writer, I was lucky enough to have the office right next door to a political figure.00:35:56.760 –> 00:35:57.960 Annette Clapsaddle: Because I could hear through the wall.00:36:01.530 –> 00:36:11.520 Annette Clapsaddle: Remember, one day, and he had open another local politician, the nontribal politician come in and they were discussing this.00:36:12.240 –> 00:36:25.500 Annette Clapsaddle: Expansion of airport runway that would unearth Cherokee burial sites and I remember, they were obviously at odds about what was about what.00:36:26.160 –> 00:36:37.560 Annette Clapsaddle: this would happen and the chief explained to him that it is the same as going up to the graveyard and digging up that man's grandmother.00:36:37.860 –> 00:36:53.820 Annette Clapsaddle: And I'd never heard it explained so simply, is that right that we are oftentimes people think, and as native American bones as artifacts as opposed to you know the human remains that we consider.00:36:55.020 –> 00:37:16.500 Annette Clapsaddle: Members, so I think you know early on, I was thinking about the political and racial and Aafia implications of this story, but just that and I didn't really consider that I was writing historical fiction until I was working on the marketing packet for my publisher.00:37:19.020 –> 00:37:20.100 Annette Clapsaddle: Oh, this is his story.00:37:22.950 –> 00:37:35.040 Annette Clapsaddle: But it does feel so relevant to me so many of the issues, unfortunately, are still relevant today and I wanted to use them as a lens to look at those issues that are in the news today.00:37:36.000 –> 00:37:44.790 Joseph McElroy: wow when you also wrote, both from the male and female perspective, and I think that that takes a little bit of talent, how did you nail that.00:37:45.630 –> 00:37:53.820 Annette Clapsaddle: Well yeah I often get asked about your writing from a young male perspective, and then I remind people that I taught high school for a dozen years.00:37:55.800 –> 00:37:59.370 Annette Clapsaddle: diet and have an older brother and I grew up with.00:37:59.880 –> 00:38:07.710 Annette Clapsaddle: You know male cousins I have two boys that I'm raising you to know I'm really I've been inundated.00:38:08.760 –> 00:38:09.570 Annette Clapsaddle: With a male.00:38:09.960 –> 00:38:17.190 Annette Clapsaddle: voice in perspective but, and you know also want to be respectful that I'm doing it accurately so.00:38:18.000 –> 00:38:25.410 Joseph McElroy: I think it's I think that your interaction with your students, has been a tremendous benefit for you in terms of writing and then I've seen some of the.00:38:26.190 –> 00:38:34.590 Joseph McElroy: Reference things I love the story of your student who's on a zoom call with some new Yorkers and references prep his preference pronoun is yours.00:38:37.170 –> 00:38:37.890 Annette Clapsaddle: story.00:38:39.600 –> 00:38:42.630 Annette Clapsaddle: We were very rural hospital.00:38:43.980 –> 00:38:53.850 Annette Clapsaddle: Family in the mountains and were paired with Fieldston in New York City, which some of your listeners may be familiar with a private school.00:38:55.560 –> 00:39:11.490 Annette Clapsaddle: And you know the New York kids were like automated that they gave their pronouns and in our students, this was a few years ago to were taken aback when that question came up on this thing called.00:39:14.130 –> 00:39:16.620 Annette Clapsaddle: This kid he just said, my pronouns y'all.00:39:19.980 –> 00:39:20.670 Joseph McElroy: hey good.00:39:22.530 –> 00:39:22.980 Joseph McElroy: Good.00:39:27.270 –> 00:39:29.520 Joseph McElroy: Well that's great, so I think that's.00:39:31.140 –> 00:39:35.460 Joseph McElroy: I think that says a lot about she was a great writer and as a teacher that your students are.00:39:37.590 –> 00:39:54.480 Joseph McElroy: letters are you know that are really involved and really able to you've really educated them to deal with the society, and you know and they've been helped you bring that into your writing so congratulations I think that's that is the definition of success, I think.00:39:56.010 –> 00:40:10.200 Joseph McElroy: So life is going great for you and you've been a great teacher for over a decade living your dream in the smokies with your husband who's also a teacher and your sons and your debut is a huge success.00:40:11.940 –> 00:40:17.010 Joseph McElroy: This year you've sort of turned things upside down, did you decide to retire from teaching.00:40:18.810 –> 00:40:20.730 Joseph McElroy: Writing and family and other projects.00:40:21.150 –> 00:40:24.030 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah my husband says, I can't use the word retire.00:40:25.530 –> 00:40:26.070 Joseph McElroy: Okay.00:40:26.370 –> 00:40:28.920 Annette Clapsaddle: not officially retired and no.00:40:31.110 –> 00:40:45.090 Annette Clapsaddle: It was a tough decision, I really do love teaching I love my students, and but I, you know the book came out in 2020 and since then it's been a full sprint just with and.00:40:45.900 –> 00:40:56.310 Annette Clapsaddle: publicity for the book and then it's led to other opportunity writing opportunities public speaking teaching workshops and you know I don't want.00:40:56.820 –> 00:41:10.260 Annette Clapsaddle: You know I guess it came down to a decision, and then I would have to choose one or the other, I cannot keep up the pace of full-time teaching and pursuing writing you know you get the next novel out.00:41:11.730 –> 00:41:24.030 Annette Clapsaddle: as well, and you know if you are in education or you know anyone in education, you know that the last few years have been incredibly difficult and there.00:41:24.540 –> 00:41:34.770 Annette Clapsaddle: For me, there was not an end in sight to that to that difficulty of being a public school teacher it's just kind of getting harder and harder.00:41:35.310 –> 00:41:47.340 Annette Clapsaddle: And and and you know I don't like to be pessimistic about it because I want to encourage people and but I can't do it in it yeah just couldn't do it anymore if I wanted to continue writing.00:41:48.510 –> 00:41:55.500 Annette Clapsaddle: You know, it is about time but it's also just about like brain space and energy and excuse me to put.00:41:56.880 –> 00:42:00.810 Joseph McElroy: it's a real shame that you have to be at the forefront of cultural wars.00:42:01.440 –> 00:42:05.550 Joseph McElroy: Right in school that's just not fair to the public, teachers, yes.00:42:07.680 –> 00:42:14.100 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah and it's really a misplaced fear that somehow you're you know you're destroying our children is.00:42:14.100 –> 00:42:15.570 Annette Clapsaddle: ridiculous yeah.00:42:19.020 –> 00:42:19.800 Annette Clapsaddle: I couldn't do it.00:42:21.450 –> 00:42:27.330 Joseph McElroy: I mean the bane of my existence and people can throw darts at me and want it, but I hate homeschooling.00:42:27.840 –> 00:42:41.940 Joseph McElroy: I met too many people that are like not even high school graduates are homeschooling their kids I'm saying homeschooling to be what you know it's like yeah yeah you're going to do more damage than me, you know train teacher with that sorry I'm.00:42:42.270 –> 00:42:43.200 Annette Clapsaddle: i'm being a little political.00:42:43.440 –> 00:42:45.180 Joseph McElroy: don't generally do about this issue.00:42:45.570 –> 00:43:02.940 Joseph McElroy: yeah since I got three and a half-year-old twins that got to go through you know life your schooling I'm I am yeah I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate the work that you did, and I can also understand you know, taking the opportunity to retire from that.00:43:07.470 –> 00:43:12.570 Joseph McElroy: So we're gonna take a break now and come back and find out what you're doing next and talk a little bit about mountain bike.00:45:15.780 –> 00:45:29.940 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklyn McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies these podcasts and my guest Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle, so Annette, what's next for you as a writer you're working on a new book right Is it based on.00:45:30.960 –> 00:45:37.170 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah absolutely and I've been working on one for a little while now, but again I had to put it aside.00:45:38.100 –> 00:45:53.160 Annette Clapsaddle: For the full-time job but um yeah this next novel is contemporary was a female protagonist set in Cherokee so it's pretty close to home, I got to make sure I stay far enough back from it.00:45:54.570 –> 00:45:55.050 Annette Clapsaddle: But.00:45:57.030 –> 00:46:00.150 Annette Clapsaddle: I am fairly early in the process, but it's.00:46:01.470 –> 00:46:20.700 Annette Clapsaddle: kind of being it's inspired by some of our traditional stories it's not a retelling of those stories, but I have mine those for the values that they instill in our culture and I'm kind of overlaying it on a contemporary and political landscape and cheer up that way.00:46:22.320 –> 00:46:23.730 Annette Clapsaddle: So that's what I'm working on.00:46:24.480 –> 00:46:26.400 Joseph McElroy: Your First Non historical fiction.00:46:28.500 –> 00:46:29.460 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah exactly.00:46:31.980 –> 00:46:34.080 Annette Clapsaddle: The time he ruined may be historical.00:46:37.230 –> 00:46:40.590 Joseph McElroy: These will suck to the years of the crisis.00:46:42.900 –> 00:46:45.960 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah because in here and now back to rethink.00:46:47.010 –> 00:46:49.470 Annette Clapsaddle: Whether you know how could this plays into this.00:46:50.070 –> 00:46:51.990 Joseph McElroy: Is covid character yeah.00:46:52.260 –> 00:46:54.510 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah so I have to do a lot of.00:46:55.920 –> 00:47:02.700 Annette Clapsaddle: nonfiction writing for regional magazines and things like that and I'm a.00:47:03.810 –> 00:47:18.840 Annette Clapsaddle: An editor for the Appalachian future series and through the university press of Kentucky so stay pretty busy with different writing projects, but the main one that forces me that focus on the new novel.00:47:20.190 –> 00:47:24.630 Joseph McElroy: that's great and are you doing, are you doing how are things like workshops and.00:47:25.110 –> 00:47:26.100 Annette Clapsaddle: Yes, yes.00:47:26.430 –> 00:47:33.390 Annette Clapsaddle: cool yeah I think it's nice to be able to continue to teach and even though I'll be out of.00:47:34.770 –> 00:47:44.850 Annette Clapsaddle: A public high school right so teaching workshops actually leave Friday and for.00:47:46.050 –> 00:47:47.370 Annette Clapsaddle: LMU for.00:47:48.720 –> 00:48:01.590 Annette Clapsaddle: For the festival there I'll be teaching workshops and then I'll be teaching a full week at John C Campbell folks school in Brasstown and North Carolina starting Sunday so.00:48:01.980 –> 00:48:09.570 Joseph McElroy: That Bob's been trying to put together a literary conference here, I hope you participate in that that'd be you'd be a wonderful part of it yeah.00:48:11.010 –> 00:48:17.010 Joseph McElroy: That should be good so so I want to talk about you are my mountain biking.00:48:19.050 –> 00:48:23.040 Joseph McElroy: enthusiastic yeah, what do you like most about that sport.00:48:24.420 –> 00:48:34.800 Annette Clapsaddle: um well I like being in the middle of the woods and feeling very isolated from everything but also going super fast.00:48:39.720 –> 00:48:53.610 Annette Clapsaddle: superfast downhill and it's I think it's because it is contradictory to how I normally am you know planner and I'm fairly cautious and.00:48:55.050 –> 00:48:58.410 Annette Clapsaddle: This is this forces me out of that comfort zone.00:48:59.790 –> 00:49:03.780 Annette Clapsaddle: And I mean I could talk for days about all the things I love about it, I just started.00:49:04.740 –> 00:49:21.510 Annette Clapsaddle: writing about five years ago and, and you know, first and foremost, for even for my health I'm a former athlete I used to play basketball, but my knees can't take that anymore I lost about 60 pounds when I started mountain biking.00:49:24.990 –> 00:49:25.530 Joseph McElroy: I have a.00:49:25.560 –> 00:49:29.700 Joseph McElroy: three-and-a-half-year-old son named Henry that's challenging you to a race right now.00:49:30.210 –> 00:49:32.070 Annette Clapsaddle: oh three.00:49:33.510 –> 00:49:37.800 Annette Clapsaddle: My student this semester, it was on my bike and he was running.00:49:39.660 –> 00:49:41.850 Annette Clapsaddle: He thought he could beat me that didn't happen.00:49:46.770 –> 00:49:48.360 Joseph McElroy: He loves to go fast.00:49:49.980 –> 00:49:52.950 Joseph McElroy: So, what are your favorite local or regional trails.00:49:53.520 –> 00:50:01.260 Annette Clapsaddle: And what I consider my home trail is fire mountain trail system and Cherokee and it's really kind of.00:50:01.950 –> 00:50:20.820 Annette Clapsaddle: When that trail system, open and I started learning more about mountain biking in general, so it's just a few minutes from my house I get there, myself and I are Sali and near Bryson city and the Fontana area I do a lot of writing out there.00:50:23.460 –> 00:50:37.320 Annette Clapsaddle: And oh gosh there's Dupont and regard, and you know we're really lucky to have so many trails around here and yeah and you know my favorite ones, or maybe not the ones that are more.00:50:39.750 –> 00:50:46.200 Joseph McElroy: that's why, but if you try out some of the new ones up like the new pipe parking chest up the mountain and they would challenge you just.00:50:46.230 –> 00:50:53.040 Annette Clapsaddle: Barely I mean so all of these there yeah there are lots of new places it seems like in the last year and a half.00:50:53.430 –> 00:50:59.040 Annette Clapsaddle: And so, all these places are kind of on my list I'm excited to have a little more flexibility in my schedule.00:50:59.340 –> 00:51:13.590 Annette Clapsaddle: And he had to make some of those day trips and hopefully out with some of my riding buddies may be to go check them out there's a and a group of predominantly ladies that I ride with we like to check out new trails.00:51:14.580 –> 00:51:16.890 Joseph McElroy: cool do you have your son's right as well?00:51:17.550 –> 00:51:19.350 Annette Clapsaddle: They do, and they.00:51:20.550 –> 00:51:28.110 Annette Clapsaddle: know the ride, and you know for a while, then they'll get interested in something else, but they both had bikes so.00:51:29.130 –> 00:51:34.890 Annette Clapsaddle: They don't always go on trails with me and that they're all over our property.00:51:36.630 –> 00:51:39.720 Annette Clapsaddle: at nine and 13 Charlie and Ross00:51:40.170 –> 00:51:42.210 Joseph McElroy: All right, almost teenage.00:51:46.050 –> 00:52:03.120 Joseph McElroy: There you go so what's good, and you, is there any is there, you know, one of the things I'd like to ask is a recommendation for a place to eat for people listening to the show for coming to your part of the country out in the cloud qualified and boundary the Cherokee reservation.00:52:03.870 –> 00:52:05.670 Annette Clapsaddle: All right, and.00:52:07.110 –> 00:52:08.730 Annette Clapsaddle: I feel like I'm sitting on the spot here.00:52:08.940 –> 00:52:10.050 I know I know.00:52:12.690 –> 00:52:17.190 Annette Clapsaddle: I don't know what this one just popped into my head and we're not talking like gourmet food, but.00:52:18.870 –> 00:52:19.170 Joseph McElroy: I think.00:52:19.230 –> 00:52:33.390 Annette Clapsaddle: The people that joy that's all yes that's a sunflower is like a sandwich shop not like a sandwich shop, it is isn't it shop and near the entrance to the great smoky mountain National Park in the snake village area sassy sunflowers a very.00:52:34.950 –> 00:52:40.680 Annette Clapsaddle: Great sandwich place and then I have to say, if you want, like the quintessential.00:52:42.450 –> 00:52:52.470 Annette Clapsaddle: Country Buffet, that has been around since the beginning of time, you have to go to grandma's kitchen and get pie for dessert you got to get high.00:52:52.980 –> 00:52:54.960 Joseph McElroy: Five you got to get a pie yeah.00:52:56.400 –> 00:53:04.680 Joseph McElroy: cool fabulous well this now, we gotta shout outs, you want to mention how people get in contact with you find out more about your book that sort of stuff.00:53:05.190 –> 00:53:12.060 Annette Clapsaddle: So I have a website it's a new asaunookeclapsaddle.com and luckily I have one of.00:53:13.200 –> 00:53:25.260 Annette Clapsaddle: The most unusual names, so you can pretty easily find me on Google search but I'll be updating that website and the coming weeks, speaking of students.00:53:25.560 –> 00:53:31.950 Annette Clapsaddle: And that's that website was developed by a former student of mine, so I gotta get to updating it with.00:53:32.730 –> 00:53:50.760 Annette Clapsaddle: Events going on I'll be busy all summer with festivals and workshops and things like that and also I'm on Facebook and on Instagram and I just use my name I don't do anything special so Twitter also so just it's Annette Saunooke Clapsaddle easy to find.00:53:51.390 –> 00:54:04.440 Joseph McElroy: cool well Thank you so much for being on the show today it's been a wonderful conversation I'm gonna look forward to finishing your book, especially sits in it's in the North Asheville area where I just moved to find out a little bit about the history of that area.00:54:05.700 –> 00:54:12.720 Joseph McElroy: yeah glad to be too, and hopefully we will continue having conversations, and now have you have your Conference at the Meadowlark00:54:13.530 –> 00:54:14.040 yeah.00:54:15.360 –> 00:54:17.610 Annette Clapsaddle: Maybe like doing you love to do that cool.00:54:18.090 –> 00:54:33.180 Joseph McElroy: So this podcast is the gateway to the smokies it's live-streamed on facebook.com/gatewaytothesmokiespodcasts as well as on talkradio.NYC, which is a network of live podcasts.00:54:34.800 –> 00:54:43.590 Joseph McElroy: And I recommend you take a chance to look at that network there are a lot of great podcasts to listen to live, which I find to be a very dynamic format.00:54:44.430 –> 00:55:00.900 Joseph McElroy: And I think interesting if you want to be involved in conversations that seem real and they range from small business self-help to pet care to any number of things and it's I think it's a wonderful network to become aware of and join in.00:55:02.130 –> 00:55:08.160 Joseph McElroy: I also have another podcast and it's never called wise content creates wealth, I have a marketing company that specializes in.00:55:08.820 –> 00:55:28.110 Joseph McElroy: content and memorable tourism experiences for travel and I talked about that quite a bit on wise content create wealth so and that's on Fridays from noon until one, and this podcast gateway to the smokies every week Tuesdays from six to seven on this network.00:55:29.130 –> 00:55:39.690 Joseph McElroy: And I hope you will join me again next week for another great guest, and another great conversation, thank you very much it's been nice having you here.00:55:40.680 –> 00:55:44.460 Annette Clapsaddle: yeah, thank you for having me really enjoy it you're welcome.

Nativo de Solrod Strand, Dinamarca, donde vio la luz por primera vez en 1971, Peter Lundin llegó a Estados Unidos, junto con su familia, cuando apenas había cumplido siete años. En abril de 1991, a los 20 años, el joven había desarrollado un vínculo de complicidad bastante extraño con su padre, que se consolidó cuando, en un arranque de furia, Peter mató a su propia madre, estrangulándola en su hogar de Maggie Valley, Carolina del Norte. nadie imagino lo que sucederia despues... . 🎧¿Ya escuchaste el episodio?🗣👂🎧 .DALE AL BOTÓN DE SUSCRIBIR Y DEJANOS TU ❤ . 💙Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JuegoDeAsesinosPod . ❤Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juegodeasesinos_podcast/ . Telegram: https://t.me/+DYdsmL2WjJM1YjY5 . . 💟¿Eres fan apasionado de nuestro podcast y quieres más episodios? Esta todo en nuestra opción de mesenas!! Dentro de la misma plataforma! #ivoox . . NO OLVIDES CHECAR NUESTRA TIENDA DE MERCANCÍA👕👜🧢👚😷!! Juegodeasesinos.threadless.com . Chase by Alexander Nakarada | https://www.serpentsoundstudios.com Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/ Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ . fuentes: https://wiki.projecttopics.org/576268-peter-lundin-age-wikipedia-family-height-net-worth-biography/index.html https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1995/vp950217/02170555.htm http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/scandinavia/10/25/denmark.murder/index.html https://h2g2.com/entry/A395994 https://www.celebsagewiki.com/marianne-pedersen https://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lundin-peter.htm https://www.bornglorious.com/person/?pi=445378 Escucha el episodio completo en la app de iVoox, o descubre todo el catálogo de iVoox Originals

Nativo de Solrod Strand, Dinamarca, donde vio la luz por primera vez en 1971, Peter Lundin llegó a Estados Unidos, junto con su familia, cuando apenas había cumplido siete años. En abril de 1991, a los 20 años, el joven había desarrollado un vínculo de complicidad bastante extraño con su padre, que se consolidó cuando, en un arranque de furia, Peter mató a su propia madre, estrangulándola en su hogar de Maggie Valley, Carolina del Norte. nadie imagino lo que sucederia despues....

Episode 37 Greg Coats Another great interview! After chasing him up and down the streets of Maggie Valley! Lol Dizzy talks to my mother for Mothers Day. We discuss a great movie for the 80s We chat up the scene this week!! Finally we talk Battle in Bama Prep! Wanna thank our title sponsors Asphalt Army Battle in Bama HammerD Weekend Wear Layin Frame Kandles Sparks show 2022 Thanks for tuning in, make sure you give us a review, and subscribe on YouTube!!

Howdy y'all! It's been a few weeks, but we're once again gathered around the front porch for an ol' timey blacktop revival, complete with clappin' and shoutin' and praising our trip to Maggie Valley for the Mini Nats! Come get in the spirit with us as we recap our weekend, with a full house of kin folk including Jeremy, Farva and first-time Nats goer Trooper Michael Burton! Who should listen to this episode? Nobody. (Especially not Jon Lily's kids. This one is rough!) "Enjoy".

Episode 35 drops tonight We here folks!! Mininats!! This episode is dedicated to the show and every thing going on this weekend!! Dizzy and I tell you the lowdown to get you through the weekend! We talk 80s So hope you enjoy this one!! We drop it tonight so you have more content to listen to while your cruising in to Maggie Valley!! Thank our sponsors Asphalt Army Battle In Bama Layin Frame Kandles HammerD Weekend Wear The Sparks Show 2022 See y'all in Maggie Valley Drive safe!!

Tune in with this week's episode of Gateway to the Smokies Podcast featuring Zeb Smathers as he discusses the economic development in Haywood County and the region, along with his work to open a new park in the area; Chestnut Mountain Park.Our host Joseph McElroy, Owner of the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, NC. is joined by an incredible guest, Zeb Smathers, he is a graduate of Duke University and UNC Law School who resides with his wife and son in Canton, N.C. Like his father, Patrick Smathers, before him, Zeb is currently Mayor of Canton, while also working as an Attorney with his dad. Zeb has guided an Economic Resurgence in Canton and recently spearheaded the efforts to open an incredible new park in Haywood County—Chestnut Mountain Park – while also helping steer rebuilding efforts through two epic floods that nearly destroyed downtown Canton and surrounding communities.  Zeb is a highly respected community leader, renowned for his ability to avoid partisan politics while always working in the best interests of his constituents—regardless of party affiliation.‍Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Sponsors: Orange Beach Invasion, Scrapin the Coast, & Bayou Showdown + Mini Truck Showdown (June 2022 Las Vegas) & Kern County Showdown (Feb 2022 Bakersfield, CA) ODB intros the episode covering Scene Updates + touches base Lauren Miller to talk Orange Beach Invasion (OBI) 2022 Sean Rose of Rose Metal Works to talk Mini Nats and a HUGE raffle opportunity! Tony Moore of Asphalt Army to talk Mini Nats VIP Party Jason Bell to discuss Mini Nats which is 6 weeks away in Maggie Valley, NC  + ODB covers more (you know how he does) RIP Mark “Papa Smurf” Ballard! We miss you Dad.  Stay On Da Rise! 

If you're looking for music to harmonize to, or a guide for your next river adventure, this episode is for you because our guest this week is a musician and a fly-fishing expert.You will find out more about songwriting, fly-fishing, and life in Asheville. Whether you are a musician yourself, or just a music lover, you will find this episode's insights fascinating.Today, Joseph is joined by our special guest, Charles Humphrey III, a Grammy Award-winning songwriter, producer and musician, and owner of Lucks Dumpy Toad Records. Currently leading his own group –the superb chart-topping, Songs from the Road Band – Humphrey was a charter member of the Steep Canyon Rangers for 15 years while also backing up other renowned artists such as Steve Martin and Edie Brickel among others.Charles is also an expert fly-fishing guide and endurance runner and resides with his two children in Asheville. We will also mention here his two upcoming big events this year in Maggie Valley which are -Fly Fishing camp in April and the Songwriters camp in August.Don't miss this episode!!Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.SHOW NOTESSEGMENT 1Joseph opens up tonight's episode talking about the Meadowlark Motel and some upcoming events. One of these events deals with wilderness survival skills and it's importance during times like natural disasters and more. There will also be a fly fishing camp weekend. To learn more, reach out at their website at meadowlarkmotel.com. He introduces his guest, Charles Humphrey III. Charles started fly fishing himself when he was a teen. Charles is a bluegrass musician and a Grammy award winning songwriter, musician and producer. Charles started fishing with his father when he was a kid and also got into music and playing bluegrass. He loves the “zen” feeling he gets when connecting with nature in this way. He talks more with Joseph about his passion as a musician and his passion for fishing. Charles loves that he is able to educate others about both topics, something that he will also be doing at the Meadowlark Motel!SEGMENT 2Charles and Joseph talk more about fly fishing and Charles talks about some of the staff that will also be guiding in the events coming soon. Charles mentions tying flies and the interesting aspect of this. They both have an engaging conversation about how important this part is for anglers, or people who fish with a rod and line and interesting stories they've experienced themselves fly fishing. Joseph asks Charles about some of the best streams to fish in Haywood County and what locations he might take people participating in the fishing camp. He mentions Jonathan Creek that is close to the motel as well as the Pigeon river. He also says that in the camp, they'll also be teaching a technique called tight line fishing as well as how to set the hook, control the head, avoid letting go of the fish they catch and much more.SEGMENT 3Joseph talks with Charles about his other passion, being a musician and writing music. Like fly fishing, Charles says that writing music takes a lot of luck. In this case, it's because you never know if people will enjoy your music. He also mentions writing music that is on an album by Willie Nelson. He also talks about moving on from the Steep Canyon Rangers who he was a member of for 15 years. Now, he is part of Songs from the Road Band. You can listen to their music almost on any platform like SiriusXM, Pandora, etc. He says that he is excited to be able to play live music again like many other artists and musicians now that things are a bit more normal when it comes to gatherings. Charles also mentions the other event which is the writer's camp where he along with other great musicians and singer-songwriter's will teach and encourage all inclusive songwriting. They'll also teach others about making music from the creative process to being behind the microphone. Charles also talks about his friendship with Darren Nicholson who was also a guest here on the show. They wrote a couple of songs together which you can hear on Man on a Mission, Darren's new EP. Charles mentions more people he'd love to work with.SEGMENT 4Coming back from the final break, Charles talks about owning Lucks Dumpy Toad Records. He uses this to also release music from Songs from the Road Band. Charles and Joseph also speak about how music is released today compared to when there were no digital releases for music. They also mention different audio formats like mp3, vinyl, and cds and how they feel about the different quality of music when listened to in different ways. Charles speaks about being an endurance runner too and the rewarding feeling by taking care of himself and connecting with others through this activity. Also, Songs from the Road Band will be releasing music later this year. You can go to songsfromtheroadband.com and also use the same name to search them on social media platforms. You can also find Charles and learn more about fishing visiting beastcoastanglers.com!

Cheer Up! God Is On His Throne Hosted by Laureen and Tony Giorgio PSALM 43:5 Amplified Bible Classic Edition (Topic based on 43:5) 5 Why are you cast down, O my inner self? And why should you moan over me and be disquieted within me? Hope in God and wait expectantly for Him, for I shall yet praise Him, Who is the help of my [sad] countenance, and my God. Sponsored by: Teague's Grocery and Cafe' 130 Soco Road. Maggie Valley, N.C. 28751 Delivery by GRUBHUB   Today's Topic, when your lower than the ground your walking on, how do you pull yourself up? What makes you cheer up? Going shopping? Bill you may not be able to pay easily. Partying? Feeling even worse than you feel right now, next morning. Social drugs? Problem getting rid of a habit. There is a way to cheer up and raise your hope level 100% 1.Tap into God's Love & Promise  2. You need to Praise, Worship & be grateful for where you are right now knowing, that God's  timing is perfect and He will provide. CHEER UP HE IS ALIVE AND IN TOTAL CONTROL   If you want to access information about Laureen's Book Climbing Out Of Your Despair with God's Promises Click the link below for one-stop shopping for book online: https://books2read.com/Climbing-Out-of-Your-Despair-with-Gods-Promises-Hope-and-Encouragement Contact Laureen or Tony Giorgio livingwithvictory@gmail.com livingwithvictory.org PO Box 1982 Maggie Valley NC 28751 Living With Victory Ministries, Inc. is a 5o1(c)(3) Charity registered with the State of Florida. Tim Hodges Voice overs, Editor, Producer.        

Boyd will share with us some of his world-class memorable tourism experiences. Watch this episode and you will learn about local culture, refreshments and hedonism in the Great Smoky Mountains. Don't miss this show!In today's podcast episode, Joseph McElroy is joined by our special guest, Boyd Burton, a world-class pickle ballplayer, an avid BMW motorcycle enthusiast, as well food, music, and beverage aficionado. For more than three decades Boyd has traveled the globe, working hard and playing hard, utilizing these skills as he has created and developed world-class memorable tourism experiences for his clients and guests--just as he is doing today at the "Appalachian Chic" Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, N.C." Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.Segment 1Starting off tonight's show, Joseph mentions his sponsor, who is part of his business. The topic of tonight is about comfort and memorable experiences. Joseph's guest is Boyd Burton who has 25 years of experience in management consulting. He also specializes in operational and financial consulting for hospitality, construction and manufacturing industries. Now, Boyd is the manager at the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley. When talking about being a management consultant, Boyd says that he focused on helping businesses run better financially as well as changes with technology. Overtime, Boyd felt like he had done everything he wanted to do in his career. So he ventured on to other aspirations and eventually came back to consulting for a bit more. Boyd ended up doing what he does best as a consultant in Costa Rica, having met two people who were architects and were doing good business. He recalls around 2008-09 when the economy wasn't doing well, that he bought a hotel that had a defunct restaurant and casino. He renovated the place and turned it into something that hopefully people around can enjoy. Boyd and Joseph talk more about Boyd's career in hospitality as well as some of his upbringing.Segment 2Boyd discusses his journey coming to North Carolina and Maggie Valley. Boyd is a motorcycle enthusiast and enjoyed riding through N.C. Passing by the Meadowlark Motel, he eventually met Joseph. Their ideas on hospitality were very similar and Boyd also likes the decor and look of the motel. He likes to see and make people happy, something that he shares with Joseph. They also discuss the changes happening in the motel as Boyd began to join them. Joseph talks about the demand in hospitality to make sure people are safe. They talk about the relationship they have with visitors and customers who stay at the Meadowlark and how they bring people together to create an enjoyable experience. Boyd and Joseph emphasize creating a family feeling, especially since Joseph grew up in this area and grew up with a family in the hospitality industry. They mention music performances that happen in the motel and recreating what Joseph enjoyed growing up but in the world that we live in now.Segment 3Boyd and Joseph talk about the challenges they've experienced in creating a great experience for customers. They also talk about the mountain culture and American culture that they bring to the experience including things like music and souvenirs. Boyd recalls a customer who told him that they were so distracted being at the motel that they forgot to check their phone for two days, expressing how great their stay was. Joseph says that it's refreshing when the structure of your day changes like this. They also talk about creating a real speakeasy in the basement of the motel. They found that creating this place where people can hang out, have a drink and listen to music, becomes fun when they and the customers enjoy it together. Joseph also mentions bringing his New York experience to this as well. Joseph and Boyd say that they also have a vision of bringing good, and not so complicated food that fits the place and that customers will like. Segment 4Joseph and Boyd talk about road culture and motorcycles. Boyd says that sections of West N.C and Virginia are great places for riding. He says the traffic, views and weather are great for him. Boyd mentions about the future of the Motel such as events coming up into the Spring such as weddings, live music, barbecues and more. You can find out more about Boyd Burton through visiting meadowlarkmotel.com. Boyd says that anyone can call and ask for him, or ask any questions about their stay and experience and even recommend music or anything that you would want to see from the motel. They always welcome any ideas to make sure your experience is the best. Joseph also says that they will be having a heritage club that focuses on the local culture.

Today's guest of Gateway to the Smokies Podcast is Erin Mahoney, she is the fourth generation of the Mahoney Clan to own and operate one of the family restaurants. She descends from a long line of Hospitality Industry Entrepreneurs and currently Owns and Manages J Arthurs Steakhouse – a Maggie Valley landmark for more than 32 years. In addition to running a successful business, Erin is a longtime advocate for positive growth in Maggie Valley. Joseph and Erin will talk about Food adventures in the Smokies.  Don't miss this great Episode!    Tune in for this fun conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here. Segment 1Joseph starts off by thanking the sponsors and giving a message from the sponsors. He discusses an apple festival that's coming up in the Smokies in Renville, and reads a poem by Mary Oliver that encapsulates this feeling of the festival and Maggie Valley itself. Joseph introduces his guest for today's episode Erin Mahoney, she owns and operates J Arthurs Steakhouse, and comes from a family of Hospitality Industry Entrepreneurs. Joseph and Erin discuss their past, and how Joseph was close to Erin's grandfather as well. Erin discusses her journey across the country, as well as her journey through the hospitality industry. Joseph and Erin discuss how long Erin has been in Maggie Valley and what brought her there from Florida. Erin discusses her first job in the family business, and how she would wash dishes in the restaurant. She continues to discuss her father's time in the restaurant industry and how he was a natural at it.Segment 2The two discuss how Erin's mother stepped up in the restaurant after her father passed away young. Her mother took the helm of the restaurant and was able to keep it running even in her grief. Erin explains how her parents didn't want her to follow the family and go into the hospitality industry, as it is not the best industry and it's a path that is difficult, but Erin was always drawn to it. Erin explains why she was drawn to the hospitality industry and why she enjoys it, even though it was not the path her parents wanted her and her siblings to take. Erin explains that her secondary education was in psychology and social work, and even though hospitality was originally out of her wheelhouse, she is incredibly grateful to be in this industry. Erin explains her ideology in hospitality and how she tries to follow her father's way of running a business. Erin continues by explaining how her restaurant has evolved over the years, and that for her business to continue to be successful she needs to change with the world around her. Her example being how the original draw to the restaurant was the steak, but now it is more of a family restaurant.  Segment 3The two talk about the actual physical building of Erin's restaurant, which was built by Joseph's father. Joseph discusses the high ceilings in the restaurant, as well as the model train that runs throughout the entirety of the restaurant. Erin says how whenever the train isn't running in the restaurant the customers notice immediately even though it is just a small detail of the restaurant. The two discuss the small details within the restaurant and how they're important, and how Erin appreciates that they are important to the customers and staff alike. Joseph discusses how the masonry within Erin's restaurant was done by Cherokee people, who were hired to do the work by Joseph's father because of their extreme mastery in stone work, that he was unable to find in any other masons. Joseph continues by saying how each of the men who were hired to do the masonry in the restaurant signed their work with their personal signature. Erin continues off this point saying how she loves finding the signatures all over the restaurant. The two discuss events held in the restaurant and how Erin operates these events. Segment 4Joseph and Erin discuss how Erin's restaurant appeared in the film Three Billboards Outside of Ebbing, Missouri, and how this appearance came to be. Erin discusses how she was not aware of what she signed up for as it was very long hours, but she found it very rewarding and enjoyed it immensely. Erin also brings up how several customers she's had since the movie premiered wanted to sit at certain tables just like in the movie. Joseph brings up how he wants to create a tour of Maggie Valley of all of the film locations, as many films had been filmed within the area. The two discuss the future of Maggie Valley, and what Erin expects for the town's future. The two also discuss breakfast and lunch spots in Maggie Valley.

This is BONUS content as we continue the conversation with Matt Ferguson from Storyland Studios. In this brief Bonus episode, Matt discusses: The opening of Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Disney's Hollywood Studios featuring Aerosmith Having spent 20+ years on the agency side of the business, Matt talks about what makes a good agency/client relationship As a football player for Florida State University, Matt talks about the influence of Coach Bobby Bowden Matt talks about one of his fun projects, the Route 19 Inn in Maggie Valley, NC https://www.route19inn.com/ Matt discusses the brand of Deion "Primetime" Sanders and what he was like as a teammate. #Disney #Marketing #Podcast #Advertising #AdAgency #NOLES #FSU EPISODE 102B

Hear the epic journey that Ron Perkins, Geoff Rosenberger, and I take across the country to the Southeastern Minitruckin' Nats in Maggie Valley, North Carolina...  Including a group discussion with the addition of Matt Weathers and Charles McLeod.