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Episode OverviewHow do you time a haul so it actually adds line speed instead of working against your cast? On this Casting Angles installment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, break down the single biggest mistake anglers make when hauling: starting the pull too early. Recorded during the late summer trout doldrums, before delayed harvest waters reopen in early October, the conversation is built around a practical off-season drill list rather than an on-the-water report. Mac explains how nearly all hauling problems trace back to timing, pointing to Western Carolina University research he participated in that measured line speed jumping from roughly 78 mph to 264 mph at 30 feet once the haul was properly timed. He walks through the pre-haul rotation, the three-point grip and the late pinky pull that generate tip speed before the haul is even added, using a frisbee throw analogy to describe the wrist extension timing anglers need to feel. Mac and Marvin also cover two low tech practice tools, pantomiming the stroke and using a rubber band looped around both index fingers, that let anglers rehearse haul timing without a rod, line or water at all.Key TakeawaysHow to identify the single most common haul timing mistake: pulling too early, before the rod has finished its late rotation.Why feeling real tension in the line hand during the haul is the clearest sign the timing is correct.How to use a late pinky pull within a three-point grip to generate line speed before the haul is even added.Why a rubber band looped around both index fingers is an effective at-home drill for internalizing haul timing.When to prioritize haul timing practice: during the late summer trout doldrums before delayed harvest season opens.How pantomiming the casting stroke without a line, rod or water builds the muscle memory that carries over to the real thing.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe conversation centers on haul timing rather than a specific fly pattern or rig, walking through the mechanics of the pre-haul rotation: a late pinky pull within Mac's three-point grip that produces most of the tip speed before the line hand ever adds a haul. Mac frames the correct hauling moment using a keyboard key analogy, a series of backslashes building tension, then a single forward slash as the release, and a frisbee throwing comparison to describe the wrist extension timing that governs both vertical and horizontal casts. He also references controlled line speed testing conducted at Western Carolina University that quantified the difference a properly timed haul makes at 30 feet of line. For gear-free practice, Mac recommends pantomiming the stroke and using a simple rubber band around both index fingers to rehearse the keep-hands-together-then-explode-apart timing that a haul requires.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhy do most anglers haul too early, and what causes it?Mac Brown estimates that roughly 95 percent of anglers begin the pull before the rod has finished its rotation, a leftover habit from throwing sports where more effort is applied earlier rather than later. He says the haul needs to come "late, late, late," timed to the pre-haul rotation, a late pinky pull within a three-point grip, so the pull adds to speed the rod tip has already generated rather than fighting against it.How can an angler tell if their haul timing is correct?Marvin offers a kinesthetic cue that Mac confirms: if you don't feel real tension in the line hand while hauling, you're hauling too soon. Done correctly, the pull should feel like it is adding noticeable resistance late in the stroke rather than an easy tug at the start.What practice drills can build haul timing without a rod or line?Mac recommends two off-water drills. The first is pantomiming the full casting stroke, including the elbow drop that starts the rotation, in an armchair with just the rod butt, something anglers can do while watching football in the fall. The second is looping a rubber band around both index fingers to physically feel the keep-hands-together-then-separate-explosively timing that a properly timed haul requires.How much line speed does a properly timed haul actually add?Citing testing from Western Carolina University, Mac notes that without any haul, line speed at 30 feet measured around 78 miles per hour; with a properly timed haul, that number jumped to roughly 264 miles per hour. He points to that gap as the first place anglers should look when they are struggling with wind or distance, particularly in saltwater.When is the best time of year to work on haul timing?Mac and Marvin identify the late summer trout doldrums, the stretch before delayed harvest waters reopen in early October, as an ideal window for this kind of practice. With trout fishing slow, anglers can use evening hours to work on hauling in the yard or a park rather than on the water.Related ContentS8, Ep 65 - Mastering the Roll Cast: Mac Brown's Essential Techniques for Challenging WatersS8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting LineS8, Ep 45 - Casting Fundamentals: Mac Brown on the Art of the Reach MendS8, Ep 7 - Casting Foundations and Fishing Frameworks: Insights with Mac BrownS8, Ep 60 - The Bare Necessities: Mac Brown's Guide to Minimalist Fly Fishing GearView All Casting Angles Episodes with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? 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Episode OverviewHow do you build a roll cast good enough to effectively fish tight, brush-choked mountain streams where there's no room for a backcast at all? On this Casting Angles installment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, break down what actually separates a "world class" roll cast from one anglers only think is dialed in. Mac frames the roll cast as the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free tool for the tight, overgrown trout streams typical of the Appalachians and mid-Atlantic, where casters rarely have the 15 to 20 feet of clearance needed for a conventional backcast. The conversation works through the mechanics of the shallow D loop, the critical role of a properly matched double taper fly line over a weight forward, and the anchor placement drills anglers can run in the late summer off-season before trout fishing picks back up. Mac also covers how to reposition the D loop to neutralize wind and why timing tightens up considerably when casting upstream and downstream on moving water. Whether an angler works small freestone streams in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park or any other tight, overgrown trout water, the episode offers a practical framework for turning a serviceable roll cast into a genuinely reliable one.Key TakeawaysHow to build a genuinely long roll cast by prioritizing precise anchor placement before adding power, since consistent anchor placement handles roughly 90 percent of the battle once the cast becomes dynamic.Why a double taper fly line, not a weight forward, is the right gear choice for roll casting, since a weight forward's short head leaves too much thin running line at the rod tip to load the cast properly.How to throw a shallow D loop that occupies only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster, making it possible to fish brush-choked mountain streams with no conventional backcast room.When to set the D loop on the downwind side of the rod to turn wind from a safety and casting problem into a non-issue.Why timing becomes more critical on upstream and downstream roll casts, since moving water pulls the D loop away from its initial placement.How to use late summer off-season evenings to practice anchor placement in knee-deep water before trout season demands the skill on the water.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe episode centers on roll cast mechanics, starting with the shallow D loop: a compact, low-power pickup that occupies only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster rather than a full V loop, making it usable in the tight streamside brush typical of southern Appalachian trout water. Mac ties gear directly to technique, explaining why a double taper line outperforms a weight forward for roll casting, since the mass needed to load the cast sits near the rod tip rather than in a short head backed by thin running line. The conversation also covers anchor placement as a stand-alone practice skill, with Mac recommending anglers wade in knee-deep water and repeatedly set the line so the anchor lands close to a rod length away, refining accuracy independent of live fishing pressure. Additional technique notes include adjusting D loop size and forward loop size for distance and control, positioning the D loop on the downwind side of the rod for safer, easier wind management, and the added timing demands of roll casting upstream and downstream where current pulls the D loop after its initial placement.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhat is a shallow D loop and why does it matter for trout streams?A shallow D loop is a compact roll cast that energizes the line but backs off power quickly enough to occupy only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster, rather than a full V loop that might need 20 feet or more. It matters because tight, brush-lined Park and Appalachian streams rarely offer enough clearance for a conventional backcast, making the shallow D loop the tool that keeps anglers fishing productively in that water.Why does fly line taper matter so much for a long roll cast?A double taper line carries its mass in the belly of the line near the rod tip, which is the portion doing the work in a roll cast. A weight forward line, by contrast, has a short head followed by thin running line, so attempting a long roll cast with a weight forward often fails because there isn't enough mass positioned where it's needed to load the rod.How should anglers handle wind when roll casting?Mac recommends setting up the D loop on the downwind side of the rod as a simple, repeatable adjustment. This keeps the line moving away from the body rather than into it, turning wind from a safety concern and casting obstacle into a non-issue without requiring any additional technique changes.When is the best time to practice roll cast placement?Late summer, when water temperatures are too warm for productive trout fishing across the Southeast, is an ideal window to practice. Mac suggests wading in knee-deep water and repeatedly practicing where the anchor lands, aiming for a placement close to a rod length away, so that accuracy is dialed in before the cast needs to perform under real fishing pressure.Why does timing become more critical on upstream and downstream roll casts?When casting upstream or downstream rather than across the current, moving water actively pulls the D loop away from its initial placement. That added variable means anglers need tighter timing between forming the D loop and executing the forward stroke than they would casting across slower or stiller water.Related ContentS8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting LineS8, Ep 60 - The Bare Necessities: Mac Brown's Guide to Minimalist Fly Fishing GearS8, Ep 57 - The Power of Habit: Mac Brown's Strategies for Fishing SuccessS7, Ep 20 - Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting TechniquesView All Casting Angles Episodes with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? 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Episode OverviewHow much gear does it actually take to fish effectively for trout in the Southern Appalachians? On this Casting Angles episode of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish make the case for stripping gear down to the essentials rather than chasing every new product on the market. The conversation was sparked by both hosts equipping their youngest sons with fly fishing gear, which got them talking about how little an angler really needs to catch fish consistently in the region's freestone trout streams.Mac and Marvin walk through a minimalist lanyard setup built around a single small fly box, forceps, nippers, split shot, floatant and a tippet spool, paired with a short list of proven trout patterns rather than an overstuffed vest. They cover footwear strategy for backcountry approaches into Great Smoky Mountains National Park, weighing lightweight hiking shoes and packable wading shoes against the weight and bulk of traditional wading boots. The pair also break down how to assemble a budget-conscious rod, reel and line setup without sacrificing performance, and make the case for redirecting money saved on gear toward casting or guided instruction instead. Mac closes with a preview of his fall school schedule and the early October start of the Delayed Harvest season around Bryson City, North Carolina.Key TakeawaysHow a single lanyard with a small fly box, forceps, nippers, split shot, floatant and a tippet spool covers nearly everything needed for a day on Southern Appalachian trout water.Why a short list of proven patterns like elk hair caddis, parachute Adams, greenie weenies, San Juan worms and soft hackle pheasant tails outperforms an overstuffed fly selection.When wet wading in lightweight shoes like Keens, Chacos or old sneakers makes more sense than hiking in with traditional wading boots on long backcountry approaches.How to build a budget-conscious rod, reel and line setup using workhorse reels and affordable entry-level fly lines without sacrificing performance on the water.Why redirecting money saved on gear toward casting or guided instruction accelerates an angler's progress faster than buying more equipment.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe core technique here is minimalist trout fishing logistics rather than any single on-water tactic, built around carrying a lanyard with a small fly box, forceps, nippers, split shot, gel and powder floatant and a tippet spool instead of a heavily loaded vest or pack. Fly selection stays deliberately narrow, with elk hair caddis, parachute Adams, greenie weenies, San Juan worms, beetles, ants, hare's ear nymphs and soft hackle pheasant tails covering the bulk of Southern Appalachian trout water. Footwear gets specific attention, with Mac and Marvin comparing lightweight hiking shoes like Hokas paired with packable river shoes against traditional wading boots, plus a budget DIY option from Mac's childhood of gluing felt soles onto old Converse sneakers to build a lightweight homemade wading shoe for backcountry hikes. On the rod, reel and line side, Mac and Marvin point to workhorse reels from manufacturers like Lamson and affordable entry-level fly lines in the $70 range as ways to get a capable trout setup without overspending on premium gear.Locations & SpeciesThe episode centers on wild and stocked trout fishing in western North Carolina, with backcountry streams inside Great Smoky Mountains National Park serving as the primary destination discussed for the minimalist, hike-in approach to gear. Mac and Marvin note that the Park's water calls for small dries, wets and nymphs rather than streamers, with streamer fishing only becoming viable after a thunderstorm pushes water levels up. The conversation also touches on current warm weather wet-wade conditions giving way to fall, with the region's Delayed Harvest season expected to resume the first Saturday in October around Bryson City.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhat gear do I actually need to fish effectively for trout in the Southern Appalachians?A single lanyard carrying a small fly box, forceps, nippers, split shot, gel and powder floatant and a tippet spool covers nearly everything needed for a productive day on the water. Pair that with a short list of proven patterns like elk hair caddis, parachute Adams and soft hackle pheasant tails rather than an overloaded fly selection.How should I choose footwear for hiking into backcountry trout streams?Lightweight hiking shoes like Hokas paired with packable river shoes that fold up small are a lighter alternative to traditional wading boots, which take up significant pack space and add several pounds of weight. Budget wet-wade options like Keens, Chacos or even old sneakers also work well.What's a budget-friendly way to build a trout rod, reel and line setup?Most major rod manufacturers make a solid, entry level four- or five-weight rod, and companies like Lamson produce affordable, workhorse reels that hold up for years of trout fishing. Entry-level fly lines from brands like Scientific Anglers run around $70 and are a reasonable way to get out the door without overspending on premium gear.Why should anglers prioritize instruction over buying more gear?Gear alone is unlikely to be the deciding factor in becoming a better angler, while casting or guided instruction directly improves the skills that produce more fish on the water. Redirecting money that would otherwise go toward another piece of gear into a lesson or class tends to pay off faster than expanding an already adequate kit.Related ContentS8, Ep 57 - The Power of Habit: Mac Brown's Strategies for Fishing SuccessS8, Ep 21 - Casting into Spring: Mac Brown Discusses Wild Trout Fishing and Upcoming ClassesS8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting LineView All Casting Angles Episodes with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? 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Episode OverviewWith freestone trout streams across the Southeast pushing into the upper 60s and low 70s by mid-morning, serious anglers need a plan for beating the summer heat. On this Casting Angles installment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish and Fly Fishing Guide School in Bryson City, North Carolina, break down how to keep catching trout — or productively wait it out — when peak summer temperatures push freestone fishing to its limits.Mac and Marvin agree that the dog days of summer call for a shift in strategy rather than a day off the water. The conversation centers on East Tennessee's Watauga and South Holston tailwaters along with Western North Carolina's Nantahala, all three of which hold cold water for much of the day, plus the Clinch River below Norris Dam and the deep, cold Fontana Dam tailwater. By contrast, the Tuckasegee ("the Tuck") is a tailwater that doesn't run nearly as cold as the others, since its dam doesn't create enough head to keep the release chilled. The pair walk through the early-morning window — roughly daylight to 9:30 or 10 a.m. — as the best bet for active trout before heat shuts things down, and they recommend checking USGS gauges and the TroutRoutes app to confirm flows and water temperatures before heading out. When conditions simply aren't fishable, Mac and Marvin suggest reinvesting that time in casting practice or fly tying rather than forcing a trip. The episode closes with a teaser for Mac's upcoming fall casting schools, with full details and dates available at macbrownflyfish.com.Key TakeawaysHow to identify which regional tailwaters — the Watauga, South Holston, Clinch and Fontana releases — hold consistently cold, fishable water when freestone streams push past 69–70°F by mid-morning.Why fish in bigger bodies of water retreat to deeper, cooler holds as afternoon temperatures climb, making them much harder to reach with a fly.When to fish the early-morning window, roughly daylight to 9:30 or 10 a.m., for the best shot at active trout before the summer heat shuts down the bite.How to use USGS gauges and the TroutRoutes app to check release schedules and water temperatures before committing to a trip.Why elevation alone doesn't guarantee cold water, since even streams near 6,700–6,800 feet can push toward 70°F by mid-morning in peak summer heat.When to redirect fishing time toward casting practice or fly tying rather than forcing a trip into conditions that are too warm to fish well.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe core strategy discussed is prioritizing tailwaters over freestones during peak summer heat, since dam-regulated flows on rivers like the Watauga and South Holston hold consistently cold water while freestone streams climb toward 70°F by mid-morning regardless of elevation. Mac and Marvin recommend checking USGS stream gauges alongside the TroutRoutes app, a podcast sponsor (Use ARTFLY20 for 20% off), to review flow schedules and available water-temperature data before planning a trip. They also frame the early-morning window, from daylight until roughly 9:30 or 10 a.m., as the most productive stretch before warming water pushes safe fishing out of range. For anglers boxed in by travel or work schedules that don't line up with cooler weather, the hosts suggest using the downtime productively — working on casting fundamentals on a soccer field or similar open space, or tying flies indoors until conditions improve.Locations & SpeciesThe conversation centers on East Tennessee's two primary trout tailwaters, the Watauga and South Holston, along with the Nantahala in Western North Carolina — all three of which stay cold thanks to dam releases even as regional air temperatures spike. Mac also points to the Clinch River below Norris Dam in Tennessee — including a weir section that was fishing well as of a recent report — and to Fontana Dam's tailwater, where depth of nearly 470 feet keeps discharge in the low 50s even at the height of summer. By contrast, the Tuckasegee ("the Tuck") is a tailwater in Mac's home area that doesn't run nearly as cold, since its dam doesn't create enough head to chill the release the way the others do. Across all of these waters the target species is trout, with the guidance shaped entirely around peak summer heat: freestone streams in the region are pushing toward 69–70°F by 10 a.m. even at elevations of 6,700–6,800 feet, making the cold, stable tailwaters the more reliable option through the hottest stretch of the season.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhy is trout fishing difficult during peak summer heat?As water temperatures climb through the day, trout in bigger bodies of water move deeper to find cooler conditions, which makes them much harder to reach with a fly. Even high-elevation freestone streams in the region can push toward 69–70°F by mid-morning, which is enough to shut down activity. Trout mortality rises significantly as water temperatures rise into the upper 60s making catch and release angling unethical. The trout will usually die post release.What time of day should anglers target trout streams during hot summer weather?The best window is early morning, roughly from daylight until 9:30 or 10 a.m., before water temperatures climb into the range that suppresses feeding activity and endangers trout post release. After that window closes, Mac and Marvin suggest shifting plans rather than fishing through the heat of the day.How can anglers check water conditions before a summer fishing trip?Marvin recommends checking release schedules and water temperatures using USGS stream gauges, along with the TroutRoutes app, which provides flow data and, on streams equipped with temperature gauges, water-temperature readings as well.Which tailwaters stay fishable through peak summer heat in this region?East Tennessee's Watauga and South Holston rivers hold cold water for much of the day. The Clinch River below Norris Dam and the Fontana Dam tailwater in Western North Carolina, which runs in the low 50s even in summer due to the dam's nearly 470-foot depth, are two other reliable cold-water options mentioned in the episode.What should anglers do when conditions are too hot to fish safely and effectively?Rather than forcing a trip into unproductive and unsafe heat, Mac and Marvin suggest using that time to work on casting fundamentals or to tie flies indoors, and to wait for a seasonal cool-down, which typically arrives as August progresses.Related ContentS8, Ep 50 - Navigating Summer Waters: Ellis Ward on Trout, Musky and the Art of the Evening BiteS8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting LineS8, Ep 45 - Casting Fundamentals: Mac Brown on the Art of the Reach MendS8, Ep 41 - Offbeat Seasons and Terrestrial Tactics: Mac Brown's Fishing StrategiesS8, Ep 48 - Summer Heat Strategies: Captain Brian Shumaker's Smallmouth TipsView All Casting Angles Episodes with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our

Episode OverviewHow do skilled fly casters actually maximize distance by shooting line, and why do most anglers overestimate how well they have mastered it? On this Casting Angles segment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash reconnects with Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, for a deep dive into the mechanics of shooting line.Drawing on college-level research using high-speed cameras and strobe lights, Mac explains why the vast majority of anglers who claim they shoot line well are really only releasing a foot or two rather than developing true mastery of the skill. The conversation covers how to slip line out efficiently before a cast even begins, using a roll-cast pickup to shoot line on both the pickup and the back cast so a caster can go from a modest working distance to 90 feet or more in a single sequence. Mac also unpacks why an elliptical stroke, such as a Belgian or constant-tension cast, is far more efficient for shooting line on the back cast than the vertical stroke used for accuracy casting, since the rod can point directly at the unrolling line.A key technical thread running through the episode is the importance of holding the running line in an "okay" symbol grip between the thumb and index finger, which reduces line oscillation through the stripping guide from several feet down to just a few inches and produces significantly more shooting distance. Marvin and Mac close by discussing a simple self-assessment drill anglers can use to honestly measure their own progress, along with details on Mac's fall casting school offerings.Key TakeawaysHow to shoot more line on both the pickup and the back cast by using a roll-cast pickup so a single forward delivery can reach up to 90 feet.Why holding the running line in an "okay" symbol grip between the thumb and index finger reduces line oscillation through the stripping guide and produces significantly greater shooting distance.How to slip line out efficiently on an up-and-across drift by feeding line back out rather than retrieving all the way in before recasting.Why an elliptical stroke, such as a Belgian or constant-tension cast, shoots line more efficiently on the back cast than the vertical stroke used for accuracy casting.How to honestly assess mastery of shooting line by measuring the single-cast distance gain from a fixed starting length rather than trusting subjective confidence.When to isolate shooting line on the forward cast alone as a practice drill before combining it with the back cast.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe episode centers on the mechanics of shooting line, including the difference between shooting on the forward cast and the back cast and how stroke shape changes the amount of line a caster can release. Mac details the "okay" symbol grip for controlling running line, the roll-cast pickup as a method for shooting line before the delivery stroke even begins, and the pause-power-path framework (the "three P's") that underlies casting mechanics generally. He also references the Belgian cast and constant-tension cast as elliptical-stroke techniques suited to shooting large amounts of line on the back cast, a style more commonly associated with saltwater casting. FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhat does it mean to "shoot line" in fly casting?Shooting line means releasing slack line from the non-casting hand during the forward or back cast so the line travels farther. Mac Brown explains that nearly every angler believes they already shoot line effectively, but letting a foot or two slip out is very different from developing the mechanics needed to shoot 30 feet or more with a single stroke.How can I get more line out before I even start my delivery cast?Rather than retrieving line all the way back in on an upstream drift and then trying to recast the full distance, feed line back out as the fly drifts toward and past you so you maintain most of your working distance. Using a roll-cast pickup also lets you shoot additional line right on the pickup itself, then shoot again on the back cast, setting up a much bigger forward delivery.Why should I hold my running line in an "okay" symbol grip instead of just letting it go?Holding the line between the thumb and index finger reduces the oscillation of the line as it travels through the small stripping guide, from roughly 3 to 5 feet of movement down to just 3 to 5 inches. Mac's college-level research with high-speed cameras showed this controlled release produces significantly more shooting distance than simply releasing the line freely.How do I know if I have actually mastered shooting line?Start at a fixed distance, such as 30 feet, and measure how far a single back cast and forward cast can carry the line. If the total only increases to 35 or 40 feet, Mac says that indicates the caster has not developed real mastery, since anglers with genuine skill can add significantly more distance in that single sequence.Why is an elliptical stroke better than a vertical stroke for shooting line on the back cast?An elliptical stroke, such as a Belgian cast or constant-tension cast, keeps the rod pointed at the unrolling line throughout the stroke, which is far more efficient for shooting line. A vertical stroke used for accuracy casting bends the line's path over more of an angle, which limits how much line can be released on the back cast.Related ContentS7, Ep 16 - Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac BrownS8, Ep 45 - Casting Fundamentals: Mac Brown on the Art of the Reach MendS7, Ep 20 - Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting TechniquesConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.

When most people think about the Smoky Mountains, they picture Gatlinburg or Pigeon Forge. We've spent time in both, but lately we've found ourselves drawn to places that move at a different pace. We just returned from a couples' getaway to Bryson City, NC and we're sharing the best itinerary for your fun, relaxing, and unique time spent from the Great Smoky Mountain Music Train, dinner at The Fryemont Inn, treetop soaking experience at Lakeview at Fontana, waterfall hikes, elk viewing, and more!

The Great Smokey Mountains of North Carolina have a long tradition of eerie folklore, including ghost towns, haunted locations, strange paranormal phenomena, and of course, Bigfoot sightings. This week I'll be looking at some Bigfoot encounters in Swain County, which holds more of the Great Smokey Mountains State Park than any other county. A woman and her husband spot Bigfoot on a road along the Little Tennessee River; vacationers spend a restless night in their cabin haunted by howls and screams; Sasquatch footprints are found in deep snow on the Appalachian Trail by a hiker; and a backpacker finds a strange footprint by a creek in Great Smokey Mountains National Park. Is Bigfoot one of the spooky mysteries lurking in the mountains of the Tarheel State?Chapters:0:00 - The Mysterious Great Smokey Mountains of North Carolina1:53 - Bigfoot Sighting on Needmore Road13:57 - Vacationers near Bryson City hear scary vocalizations20:27 - Hiker finds long trail of footprints in the snow near the the Nantahala Outdoor Center25:46 - Backpacker finds primate footprint near remote creek31:27 - Not many sightings, but some strange encounters#bigfoot #northcarolina #crytpozoologyLinks!Follow us on Social media!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oddanduntold/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/oddanduntoldWebsite: https://www.oddanduntold.comEmail me! : jason@oddanduntold.comOdd & Untold Merch!: https://oddanduntold-shop.fourthwall.com/Sasquatch Sightings from This Summer: https://youtu.be/qV6mLAkCfF8?si=fEKCq7M7H4usZNaqBigfoot Sightings in Sweden and Other Parts of Scandinavia: https://youtu.be/9HyX_5YAaU0?si=UjhP13UP3ShmTI0kBFRO Sightings for Swain County: https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=nc&county=SwainCheck out Riversend, the band behind "Moonlight," our awesome theme music!Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/1yIwfeu2cH1kDZaMYxKOUe?si=NIUijnmsQe6LNWOsfZ2jPwRiversend Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RiversendbandRiversend Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/riversendband/

Episode OverviewIn this Casting Angles segment on The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash and veteran guide and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown tackle one of the most practical — and underappreciated — skill sets in freshwater fly fishing: how to adapt your approach when elevated, stained water follows prolonged rainfall. Recorded against the backdrop of a week of steady rain across western North Carolina, with more forecast ahead, Mac shares a framework for fly selection, water reading and presentation discipline that turns a condition most anglers write off into a genuine tactical advantage.Mac and Marvin walk through the core principles of fishing stained water: understanding where fish go when visibility drops (higher in the column, into the kitchen riffles), how to match fly color and size to actual visibility rather than habit, and why the grid-tightening approach — spending two to three times longer per spot and halving your grid interval — is the single most important behavioral adjustment for covering dirty water effectively. The conversation also touches on how stained conditions can work in an angler's favor by masking wading noise and allowing closer approaches, and closes with an update on Mac Brown's newly redesigned websites and upcoming fly fishing schools and masterclasses out of Bryson City, North Carolina.Key TakeawaysHow to position flies higher in the water column when stained conditions push trout and bass off structure and toward the surface.Why contrast — not naturalism — is the governing principle for fly selection in dirty water, and how that logic changes depending on whether you're fishing a deep pool or a shallow riffle.When to fish dark, high-contrast dry flies (foam or stimulator-style patterns in black or dark gray) versus light-colored nymphs in shallow, broken riffle water where the food is actually concentrated.How to use size, shine and sound (rattles) as visibility supplements when natural colors become invisible in tea-colored water.Why tightening your grid — cutting your grid interval in half and spending two to three times longer per spot — is essential when fish can't track a fly from distance in low-visibility conditions.How stained water tilts the odds in the angler's favor by masking wading noise and enabling closer presentations that would spook fish in clear conditions.Techniques & Gear CoveredMac Brown's stained-water framework covers three primary presentations. For dry fly fishing, he advocates dark, high-contrast patterns — black foam bodies, dark brown bodies and black stimulator-style flies — that read clearly against an overcast sky. For nymphing, the key distinction is depth: in deep holes, light penetration is insufficient for fish to see anything, so Mac redirects anglers to shallow riffle heads (what he calls "the kitchen") where fish move to feed and where visibility remains functional in as little as a foot of water. In those shallower zones, he recommends light-colored, small and shiny nymph patterns. Marvin adds that mops and dark stonefly patterns fished with a jigging retrieve are effective for probing stained water more slowly and deliberately, coaxing reluctant fish to commit. Mac references the "Rain X Mop" developed by Jim Estes as an example of a light-colored pattern that works well in shallow riffle water. Rattles are noted as a viable visibility supplement, consistent with the same logic that makes sound important in night fishing. The overarching gear philosophy: let the contrast between fly and water, not the fly's naturalistic fidelity, drive your selection.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredHow do I choose fly colors when fishing stained or dirty water?Mac Brown's core principle is contrast over naturalism: pick a fly color that stands out against the actual background the fish sees, not the color that matches the natural. In overcast conditions with stained water, that means dark dries (black, dark gray) against a light sky, and light or shiny nymphs in shallow zones where the water itself is the dark background. The single rule of thumb is to avoid matching the water's color — a tea-colored fly in tea-colored water is effectively invisible.Where do trout and bass go when water levels rise and clarity drops?Both trout and bass move higher in the water column and position themselves in shallower, broken water — particularly riffle heads and foam lines at the head of pools, which Mac calls "the kitchen." These are the zones where dislodged food concentrates and where there's enough ambient light for fish to see. Deep holes become largely unproductive in stained conditions because light penetration is insufficient for fish to spot a fly at depth.How should I adjust my wading and water coverage in dirty water?Mac Brown recommends spending two to three times longer in each spot compared to clear-water fishing, and cutting your grid interval roughly in half — from, say, two feet to one foot. Because reduced visibility shortens the distance at which fish can track and respond to a fly, thorough, systematic coverage becomes far more important than covering ground. The goal is to put the fly close enough that the fish almost bumps into it.Why can stained water actually be an advantage for fly fishers?Two factors work in the angler's favor when water is stained: fish are less able to detect the angler's presence, which allows closer approaches without spooking; and wading noise is substantially masked by the increased water volume and surface disturbance. Mac Brown notes that he personally prefers fishing in stained conditions for exactly these reasons — the playing field tilts toward the angler who adjusts technique accordingly rather than waiting for clear water.When should I use dry flies versus nymphs in elevated, stained conditions?Mac recommends a dry-dropper setup with the dropper kept very close to the surface — not three or four feet down — so that the nymph remains in the productive visibility zone. Dark, high-contrast dries remain viable in stained conditions as long as they're readable against the sky. Pure deep nymphing in pools is largely unproductive; the better bet is redirecting to shallow riffle water where fish are actively feeding and the fly can be seen.Related ContentS7, Ep 41 – Navigating High Water: Strategies for Success with Mac BrownS8, Ep 25 – The Science of Stealth: Mac Brown on Fishing Techniques for Low Flow ScenariosS8, Ep 21 – Casting into Spring: Mac Brown Discusses Wild Trout Fishing and Upcoming ClassesS7, Ep 28 – Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? 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Episode OverviewIn this Casting Angles episode of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash reconnects with Master Casting Instructor and veteran Western North Carolina guide Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City for a timely mid-May conditions update on the Tuckasegee River. With the delayed harvest season winding down and roughly three weeks left to fish the DH water, Mac and Marvin break down exactly what anglers are up against — and how to read it correctly. The Tuck is running well below its seasonal average at roughly 400–500 cfs compared to a normal 1,600–1,800 cfs, but recent rainfall and cooler temperatures are providing a welcome reprieve from what has been a difficult spring across the mid-Atlantic and southern Appalachians. The episode centers on one of the most practical and underappreciated skills in trout fishing: learning to distinguish between freshly stocked fish and the educated holdover and lake-run trout that share the same water — and adjusting technique and fly selection accordingly. Mac walks through his system for identifying fish by their behavior and location, his nymphing rig progressions through the day, and why moving away from indicators is no longer optional in low, clear water.Key TakeawaysHow to identify stocked versus holdover and lake-run trout on the Tuckasegee by using stocking truck access points and "junk food" fly response as a quick field diagnostic.Why fishing a natural-colored anchor pattern like a Walt's Worm in the morning and transitioning to smaller flies as the day progresses is Mac's preferred nymphing progression in low, clear water.How to position a small nymph pattern on the dropper or point depending on whether fish appear to be feeding higher in the column or holding deep.Why using a large sacrificial dry fly — a Parachute Adams, Stimulator or Elk Hair Caddis — as a sight indicator for a trailing small dry creates a "training wheels" system for less experienced dry fly anglers targeting educated fish on size 18–20 patterns and smaller.How marking your fly line or leader with small foam indicators or competition nymphing wax lets you track takes by watching for changes in the alignment of the indicators or wax marks.Why fishing indicator-free with a longer leader at low water is increasingly critical as DH fish become conditioned to suspension devices.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe episode focuses primarily on indicator-free and low-profile presentation techniques for technical low-water trout fishing. Mac's core nymphing approach involves a natural-colored anchor fly paired with a very small midge or emerger, with dropper or point placement adjusted based on where fish appear to be in the water column. For dry fly fishing, both Mac and Marvin advocate a sacrificial large attractor — Parachute Adams, Elk Hair Caddis, Stimulator — with a size 18–20 smaller pattern that fish are actually eating trailed 12–14 inches behind; they call the large fly "the sacrificial fly" for a reason: it never gets eaten, it just helps anglers locate their small fly. As an alternative to a sacrificial dry, Marvin recommends marking the fly line or leader with foam stick-ons or nymphing wax and watching for the indicator marking to straighten on the take. Mac confirms that big bobber rigs and streamers are the wrong tools when PhD fish are locked into size 20–24 midges and blue-winged olive emergers.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredHow do I tell whether I'm fishing to freshly stocked trout or educated holdover fish on the Tuckasegee?Mac's field diagnostic starts with geography: on the Tuck, stocking trucks can only access about five specific pullouts on the narrow gravel road, so fish podded up near those locations are almost certainly recent stockers. Fish holding far from those access points in less obvious water are likely holdovers or lake-run trout. A second confirmation: throw a "junk food" fly — a bright attractor or gaudy nymph — through a riffle. If you're getting easy eats, those are the new fish. PhD fish feeding on size 20–24 midges will ignore streamers and big rigs entirely.When should I use an indicator versus fishing indicator-free on low, clear water?Mac's view is unambiguous: in low, clear conditions — especially late in the DH season when fish have been seeing indicators for weeks — suspension devices hurt your results more than they help. He prefers a longer leader setup, tracking the nail knot or line end visually, and fishing emerger patterns just an inch or two under the film. The mechanics of detecting a subtle take watching the line end are no different from detecting takes when tight-line nymphing subsurface. Marvin adds that marking the leader with foam indicators or competition wax gives less experienced anglers a visual reference without the wake and shadow of a traditional indicator.What is the "sacrificial fly" system for small dry fly fishing?The idea is to rig a large, highly visible attractor — a Parachute Adams, Elk Hair Caddis or Stimulator — with a small dry fly (size 18–20 or smaller) trailed 12–14 inches behind it. The big fly never gets eaten by selective fish; it simply anchors your eye to where the small fly roughly is. When a fish rises anywhere near the attractor's position, lift — hook sets are free. Mac notes that after hundreds of drifts through the same run, not one fish ate the big fly, but many took the small trailer. It functions as training wheels for anglers who aren't yet comfortable tracking a size 20 dry without a reference point.How do I adjust fly placement between dropper and point position when nymphing small nymphs?Mac adjusts this through the day based on where he believes fish are holding and feeding. Early in the morning when fish are likely still deeper, he puts the small fly on the point so it sinks further. As conditions warm and light increases — and as fish move toward emerging insect activity — he moves the small fly up to the dropper position, higher in the water column to intercept fish feeding near the surface. This single rig adjustment tracks fish behavior as the day progresses without changing the entire setup.What are current Tuckasegee River conditions and how long does the delayed harvest season last?Recorded approximately 10–11 days into May, this episode describes the Tuck running at roughly 400–500 cfs — significantly below its seasonal average of 1,600–1,800 cfs. Recent rainfall and cooler overnight temperatures (upper 30s) are providing relief. DH fish remain in the water until the first Saturday of June, giving anglers roughly three weeks from the recording date to target them. A fresh stocking round has been completed, so both new fish and conditioned holdovers are present simultaneously.Related ContentS8, Ep 25: The Science of Stealth: Mac Brown on Fishing Techniques for Low Flow ScenariosS7, Ep 88: Low Water, Big Adjustments: Mac Brown's Essential Tips for Fall Fishing SuccessS7, Ep 41: Navigating High Water: Strategies for Success with Mac BrownS7, Ep 28: Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS6, Ep 145: Navigating Winter Waters: Unconventional Strategies with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about...

Episode OverviewIn this Casting Angles segment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown discuss how to adapt when an unusually warm, drought-driven spring upends normal seasonal fishing expectations across the mid-Atlantic and Southern Appalachians. It's a candid, practical conversation for anglers dealing with conditions that have scrambled hatches, compressed water temps and pushed trout into summerlike stress months early.Mac reports water temperatures in the mid-70s in Bryson City during mid-April — historically a July scenario — with corresponding low water on Western North Carolina freestone streams, including the Davidson River near Brevard where water temps were nudging the upper 60s. The practical takeaway from the conversation is concrete: when freestone streams become untenable, seek out tailwater fisheries with reliably cold, dam-regulated flows, and adjust fly selection dramatically — in this case dropping to size 28 Blue Wing Olives in April, a fly more commonly associated with winter midge-style fishing on the South Holston, after typical spring hatches like March Browns and Hendricksons failed to materialize. Mac and Marvin also encourage listeners to make a gear shift altogether when trout conditions are compromised, pivoting to panfish and bass on local ponds and lakes. The philosophical throughline is the classic fishing truism both hosts return to: you can only take what the river is willing to give you.Key TakeawaysHow to identify when warming freestone streams have become too stressful for trout and it's time to shift to tailwaters or alternative species.Why size 28 Blue Wing Olives can be the correct spring fly choice during drought years when conventional late-spring hatches like March Browns and Hendricksons fail to appear on schedule.When traditional spring trout fishing is compromised, how pivoting early to bass and panfish on local ponds offers a productive and accessible alternative.Why monitoring water temperature — not just visual stream conditions — is the most reliable guide to where trout will be feeding during abnormally warm spring weather.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe episode's most concrete tactical moment comes from Mac's report of fishing a size 28 Blue Wing Olive during a late-April outing — a winter-style presentation typically reserved for midge-focused tailwater days on rivers like the South Holston — after spotting a pod of actively feeding fish with no significant spring hatches in the air. No March Browns, no Hendricksons: just a tiny blue-winged olive and a size 28 pattern to match it. Beyond that single hatch-matching scenario, the tactical discussion centers on the broader decision-making framework of reading water temperature as a leading indicator, targeting the cold-water refuge of tailwaters when freestone streams become thermal and knowing when conditions call for switching species entirely rather than forcing trout fishing in compromised water.Locations & SpeciesThe conversation covers Western North Carolina freestone streams, including the Davidson River near Brevard and the waters around Bryson City, where mid-April temperatures had reached summerlike levels and flows were running at roughly a third to a half of seasonal norms across much of the mid-Atlantic. Mac points listeners toward tailwaters fed by large impoundments — specifically the fisheries below Fontana Dam, and waters like Cheoah and Calderwood — as cold-water refuges where trout will continue feeding more normally regardless of ambient air temperatures. Marvin references the South Holston and Watauga as additional tailwater options for Tennessee and Western NC anglers, with a caveat about reported turbine maintenance on the South Holston at the time of recording. Brown and rainbow trout are the primary targets throughout, with a passing acknowledgment that the abnormally warm March also disrupted pre-spawn smallmouth bass patterns in Virginia and the Carolinas.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredHow warm is too warm for spring trout fishing on freestone streams?Mac and Marvin both flag water temperatures in the upper 60s as the threshold where trout fishing on freestone streams becomes unproductive and stressful for fish. The Davidson River near Brevard hit those temperatures in mid-April during this unusual spring — a full two months earlier than the July conditions those readings would normally indicate.What fly should you use when spring hatches don't materialize on schedule?Mac's answer from this episode: revert to winter-game logic. When he found a pod of working fish in late April with no March Browns or Hendricksons in the air, a size 28 Blue Wing Olive — the same pattern he'd fish on a winter day on the South Holston — turned out to be the correct call.Why are tailwaters the best alternative when freestone streams get too warm?Dam-regulated tailwaters draw from cold reservoir depths, maintaining stable water temperatures even when air temperatures are unseasonably high. Mac specifically mentions the fisheries below Fontana Dam — Cheoah and Calderwood — as reliable cold-water options when surrounding freestone streams become too warm to fish effectively.What should trout anglers do when neither the water temperature nor the hatches are cooperating?Both Mac and Marvin recommend the species shift: get out early on the panfish and bass season. Ponds and lakes close to home offer productive topwater and popper fishing for bass and bluegill when trout streams are off the table, and the change of scenery often produces fish when the usual spring program simply isn't available.Related ContentS8, Ep 25 – The Science of Stealth: Mac Brown on Fishing Techniques for Low Flow ScenariosS8, Ep 21 – Casting into Spring: Mac Brown Discusses Wild Trout Fishing and Upcoming ClassesS7, Ep 28 – Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS6, Ep 145 – Navigating Winter Waters: Unconventional Strategies with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & AdvertiseSubscribe to the podcast in your favorite podcast app.Think our community is a good fit for your brand? 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Episode OverviewIn this Casting Angles episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash and Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish cover the spring fishing picture in western North Carolina just ahead of the Easter and spring break rush. The conversation is a candid, practical guide for anglers planning a trip to the region — with an honest assessment of current stocking conditions on delayed harvest water and a strong case for pursuing wild trout in the backcountry instead.Mac and Marvin address a notable stocking reduction on western North Carolina's delayed harvest (DH) water, with Mac reporting no stocking through March and a planned 60% reduction going forward — a ground-level reality check against the rosier picture often circulating on social media. The Nantahala River, which holds a large year-round fish population and most of the state's trout records, is identified as a productive alternative once hatchery-supported waters open in early April. For anglers willing to go further afield, the wild streams of Great Smoky Mountains National Park are described as fishing in peak spring form, with little black caddis hatches actively occurring, Quill Gordons already coming off, and Hendricksons and March Browns on the near horizon. Mac and Marvin both advocate for dry-dropper rigs — specifically an elk hair caddis or Stimulator as the dry with a soft hackle pheasant tail as the dropper — as the most effective and versatile approach for this time of year, targeting fish feeding actively in the surface film and mid-column rather than on the bottom.Mac also updates listeners on his guide school schedule, including an Advanced Line Control casting school on April 11–12.Key TakeawaysWhy wild trout streams in western North Carolina and Great Smoky Mountains National Park offer better spring fishing than stocked delayed harvest water during the spring break periodHow a dry-dropper rig — elk hair caddis or Stimulator over a soft hackle pheasant tail — covers both the surface film and mid-column where spring trout are actively feedingWhy fishing the "tabletop" (surface) rather than dredging the bottom is the more productive approach on western NC wild streams this time of yearWhen to expect the spring hatch progression in western North Carolina: little black caddis now, followed by Hendricksons and March Browns, with terrestrials taking over by early summerHow to interpret hatchery-supported water signage and adjust fly selection — toward attractor and "junk food" patterns — when fishing freshly stocked Nantahala water after it opens in early AprilTechniques & Gear CoveredThe primary technique emphasis is dry-dropper fishing for wild trout on freestone mountain streams, with both Mac and Marvin endorsing it as the most versatile approach for early spring in western North Carolina. Mac frames the key tactical principle as targeting the "tabletop" — the surface film — rather than bottom-dredging, which he identifies as a common mistake that costs anglers hours of productive fishing. Specific patterns discussed include the elk hair caddis and Stimulator as the dry fly component, and a soft hackle pheasant tail as the dropper, with Marvin noting he particularly enjoys fishing soft hackles in the mid-column on the swing or drift. For hatchery-supported water on the Nantahala after it opens, both hosts note that recently stocked fish respond best to attractor and "junk food" patterns — worms, eggs and high-visibility flies — consistent with the behavior of fish transitioning out of a hatchery environment.Locations & SpeciesThe episode focuses on the western North Carolina trout fishing corridor centered on Bryson City and the surrounding national park backcountry, with Great Smoky Mountains National Park wild trout streams serving as the primary destination recommendation for visiting anglers. The Nantahala River is highlighted as the region's premier hatchery-supported fishery — holding fish year-round and producing most of the state's trout records — with its hatchery-supported sections opening in early April after the March closure period. Wild trout in GSMNP backcountry streams are the target species throughout, with fish actively looking up and responding to dry flies under spring conditions.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhy should I fish wild trout streams instead of delayed harvest water during spring break in western North Carolina?Mac Brown reports that DH water on the delayed harvest sections received no stocking through March and faces a 60% reduction in planned stocking going forward — meaning heavily fished DH beats likely hold only fish stocked the previous October. Wild trout streams in the Park, by contrast, are in excellent spring condition with active hatches and fish looking up, making them a far more productive and rewarding destination for the spring break window.How should I fish the Nantahala hatchery-supported water when it opens in early April?The Nantahala hatchery-supported sections open in early April after a March closure period. Freshly stocked fish behave like aquarium fish — unselective and responsive to attractor patterns, worms, eggs and high-visibility "junk food" flies rather than technical presentations. Marvin compares it directly to fishing freshly stocked delayed harvest water, so adjust expectations and fly selection accordingly.What dry-dropper setup works best for spring wild trout fishing in western North Carolina?Both Mac and Marvin recommend an elk hair caddis or Stimulator as the dry with a soft hackle pheasant tail as the dropper — a versatile rig that covers surface and mid-column feeding simultaneously. Marvin notes the soft hackle pheasant tail is particularly effective fished in the mid-column, where it can swing or drift naturally on the dropper.What hatches should I expect on western North Carolina trout streams in early spring?Little black caddis are hatching heavily right now and should continue for several more weeks. Quill Gordons have already been observed, with Hendricksons and March Browns coming next. The hatch season progresses quickly — by early summer, terrestrials largely replace mayfly and caddis hatches as the primary dry fly opportunity.When is the best time of day and under what conditions should I focus on dry fly fishing this time of year?Mac reports that overcast conditions are ideal for dry fly fishing on GSMNP wild trout streams in early spring, with fish actively looking up throughout the day under cloud cover. He notes that during a recent pre-school scouting session in the backcountry, dry flies alone were sufficient — fish showed no need for sub-surface presentation.Related ContentS7, Ep 28 – Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS6, Ep 36 – Mac Brown's Spring Hatch Hacks and Windy Day TacticsS6, Ep 39 – Mac Brown's High Country Hideaways and Warm Water WisdomS7, Ep 85 – Navigating Delayed Harvest: Mac Brown's Insights on Fall Fishing TacticsS8, Ep 18 – The Learning Curve: Mac Brown on Effective Teaching MethodsConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our

Episode OverviewIn this Casting Angles episode of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown close out the fly fishing show season with a candid debrief on what happens after students leave the classroom. Recorded immediately after both Marvin and Mac wrapped up their teaching schedules at the Lancaster Fly Fishing Show — the final show of the year — the conversation digs into one of the most practical and underexplored questions in fly fishing education: how do you structure a class so students can actually keep improving on their own once they leave? Mac Brown, owner of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, and a Master Casting Instructor through Fly Fishers International, draws on decades of coaching experience and current sports physiology research to frame the core tension between teaching to immediate performance versus teaching for long-term self-correction. The episode explores how video on smartphones has transformed what's possible in a single class session, why saturation happens faster than most instructors expect during hands-on practice, and how foundational mechanics — particularly the elbow drop and correct arm path — give students a reliable framework to diagnose and fix their own casting long after the lesson ends. Mac also previews his spring guide school season starting in late March in Bryson City, making this a timely listen for anyone considering casting instruction before the season ramps up.Key TakeawaysHow to structure a casting class so students leave with both foundational understanding and the self-correction tools to keep improving independently.Why teaching entirely to immediate performance — without covering the underlying mechanics — leaves students unable to troubleshoot when their casting breaks down.How using smartphone video during a lesson gives students a concrete reference point so they know exactly what to look for when they practice at home.Why 15 to 20 minute practice sessions, repeated several times a week, produce better results than long, unfocused practice blocks that lead to early saturation.How the elbow drop and correct arm path mechanics — grounded in 160-plus years of casting science — deliver a measurable, immediately felt difference in loop speed and efficiency that converts skeptical students on the spot.Techniques & Gear CoveredThis episode is focused entirely on casting instruction methodology rather than on-water tactics, so there are no fly patterns or gear brands discussed. The core technical concept Mac returns to throughout the conversation is the relationship between arm path and loop quality: when casters move the rod hand horizontally straight forward — essentially throwing like a shot put — they generate far less line speed than when the elbow drops and the rod tip travels on a proper path. Mac uses a practical field demonstration to make this concrete, counting out a slow, soft cast aloud (1001-1002-1003-1004) and contrasting it with the sub-half-second delivery produced by the elbow drop, then asking students which loop they'd want in a 30-knot Belize or Montana wind. Beyond the mechanics, Marvin and Mac discuss a drill-based curriculum structure — roughly six drills covering power, pause and path — that students can work through in short, focused practice sessions using their phone cameras for feedback. The broader instructional philosophy draws on contemporary coaching literature, including Nick Winkelman's language-of-coaching framework, and aligns with what Mac and Gary Borger have implemented in their all-day casting classes.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredWhy shouldn't a casting instructor just focus on getting students casting as quickly as possible?Mac Brown explains that while pure performance-based teaching can produce fast results in a demo context — like getting a kid casting 40 feet with tight loops in two minutes — it leaves students with no conceptual framework to fall back on when their casting starts to deteriorate. Without understanding the underlying mechanics, they have no idea what to change, and they end up needing to return for the same lesson repeatedly rather than progressing independently.How do you use smartphone video effectively in a casting lesson?Mac Brown and Marvin both emphasize that students should use their phones to film the instructor demonstrating the correct movement. The key is that students leave the class knowing exactly what they're looking for — and having footage of it. Without that reference, independent practice becomes guesswork.How much hands-on practice time should be in a casting class versus instruction?Marvin notes that students reach a saturation point with hands-on practice faster than most instructors expect. He describes his introductory class as roughly 75% classroom and 25% hands-on. The goal is not to have students perfect every skill in class, but to build enough intellectual understanding that they can drill efficiently on their own — ideally in short 15 to 20 minute practice sessions several times a week rather than long, unfocused blocks.What is the elbow drop, and why does it matter so much?The elbow drop is a fundamental casting mechanic in which the caster's elbow descends during the stroke rather than tracking horizontally straight ahead. Mac demonstrates its impact by comparing two identical 40-foot casts: one made with a horizontal hand path, which takes several seconds for the line to turn over, and one made with the elbow drop, which delivers the line in under half a second. He uses the contrast as both a diagnostic tool and a conversion moment — once students feel the speed differential for themselves, they are immediately motivated to change their mechanics.When does Mac Brown's spring guide school season start in Bryson City?Mac's first guide school of the spring is scheduled for March 25, with additional two-day and three-day schools running through April and beyond. He also teaches private casting lessons and guides as the season ramps up. The best way to reach him is through macbrownflyfish.com, where his full schedule and contact information are listed.Related ContentS7, Ep 16 – Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac BrownS7, Ep 20 – Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting TechniquesS7, Ep 28 – Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS7, Ep 41 – Navigating High Water: Strategies for Success with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram, Threads and YouTube.Follow our Substack newsletter for episode updates, tips and resources.Support the ShowShop through our Amazon link to support the podcast.Join our Patreon community to support the show.If you are in the industry and need help getting unstuck, learn more about our consulting options.Subscribe & Advertise

Experience the incredible power of physical and spiritual healing in this powerful Season 4 episode of the Lebanon House of Prayer Podcast.In this episode, we are joined by Gary and Janet Kolb, founders of Feed My Sheep Ministry in Bryson City, North Carolina. After retiring from their secular careers, the Kolbs found a new calling: feeding the hungry and sharing the Gospel in the Smoky Mountains.Janet shares a breathtaking testimony of a miracle that took place during The Behold Conference. After living with a 57-degree curve in her spine from scoliosis for 50 years, Janet arrived at the conference in agonizing pain. Watch as she describes the moment the Holy Spirit met her during a Friday morning prayer session and the confidence that led to her miraculous transformation.In this episode, we discuss:-The transition from retirement to "re-firing" for the Kingdom.-The work of Feed My Sheep Ministry in North Carolina.-A 50-year battle with scoliosis and the power of persistent prayer.-The atmosphere of faith at The Behold Conference.

Episode OverviewIn this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash sits down with Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown for another installment of Casting Angles — a wide-ranging conversation on the philosophy of continuous improvement in fly fishing and fly casting. Recorded just before the Lancaster Fly Fishing Show, the episode centers on one of the most practical yet underappreciated principles in skill development: approaching your craft with a beginner's mind, no matter how many years you've been on the water. Mac draws on feedback from students at recent west coast events — including anglers with 30 to 40 years of experience who received their first structured casting instruction — to illustrate how long-held assumptions can silently ceiling growth. The conversation touches on Mac's "four stages of learning" framework, the infinite circle of knowledge and the parallels between fly casting mastery and elite performance in any discipline. Practical spring fishing news also surfaces in the second half: listeners get actionable intel on early-season Quill Gordon dry fly hatches on wild Appalachian freestone streams, the ideal nymph sizing window as hatches begin (sizes 12–16) and emerging activity of little black stones and blue winged olives on Tennessee tailwaters. Mac and Marvin also preview their respective Lancaster show appearances and detail upcoming guide schools and casting classes at macbrownflyfish.com for anglers planning their spring season.Key TakeawaysHow adopting a beginner's mindset — staying open to new information regardless of experience level — is the single most reliable driver of improvement in fly casting and fishing.Why intermediate anglers stagnate: the false belief that years of time on the water equates to skill development, which shuts down active learning before it can happen.How Mac's four stages of learning framework maps the path from novice to expert, and why most anglers get stuck at stage two.When Quill Gordon dry fly hatches arrive on wild Appalachian freestone streams, they represent one of the season's best dry fly windows because the adult floats for 15–20 minutes while hardening its wings.Why early-season nymphs (sizes 12–14) are as large as they'll be all year, making this the optimal window to fish bigger nymph patterns before successive hatches progressively reduce insect size.How structured instruction — rather than YouTube, books or show demos alone — accelerates skill acquisition in ways self-directed learning rarely can.Techniques & Gear CoveredThe episode is primarily instructional and conceptual rather than gear-heavy, but several practical fishing frameworks emerge. Mac references his own book Casting Angles — a fly casting handbook endorsed by the ACA and FFI — as the source material for the four stages of learning discussion, and directs listeners to the article on his website for a deeper read. The conversation touches on the comparative limitations of self-directed learning via YouTube and books versus structured in-person instruction, particularly for developing proper casting mechanics. On the dry fly fishing side, Mac recommends dry fly presentations targeting Quill Gordons on freestone streams in size 12, with the extended float window (15–20 minutes) making these hatches unusually productive for surface takes. Marvin notes that pairing size 14 and 16 nymphs during this same early-season window takes advantage of the year's largest nymph profiles before they diminish through the season. Mac also promotes two-day casting schools through macbrownflyfish.com as the highest-value instructional investment for anglers who want to advance their skills heading into spring.Locations & SpeciesThe episode references wild freestone streams in the Western North Carolina / Great Smoky Mountains region — Mac's home water around Bryson City — as the primary context for the early Quill Gordon hatch discussion, with these streams producing active trout as water temperatures begin to rise. Tennessee tailwaters are also noted as waters where little black stoneflies and blue winged olives are already appearing, signaling the beginning of productive surface-feeding windows. The target species throughout is wild trout, with Mac's commentary on Quill Gordon hatches specifically framed around waking large fish that have been dormant through winter. The seasonal framing is early spring, a transition period characterized by warming daytime temperatures, emerging hatches and increasingly active trout — one of the most productive dry fly windows of the year in the Southern Appalachians.FAQ / Key Questions AnsweredHow does a beginner's mindset improve fly casting and fishing skills?Beginners enter instruction with no preconceptions to dismantle, which makes them highly receptive to new technique and feedback. Mac argues that anglers who believe they are already proficient — after years of fishing without formal instruction — unknowingly stop absorbing new information, effectively stalling their development at the intermediate stage.What are the four stages of learning in fly casting?Mac's framework progresses from stage one (open absorption of fundamentals) through stage two (recognizing a problem exists but not knowing how to fix it — where most intermediate anglers stall) to stages three and four, where skills become internalized and self-correcting. He recommends reading the full article on his website for a detailed breakdown of each stage.When is the Quill Gordon hatch and why is it such a good dry fly opportunity?The Quill Gordon is an early-season mayfly that emerges on wild Appalachian freestone streams, typically before most other major hatches of the year. The adults float on the surface for 15–20 minutes while hardening their wings — an unusually long window that gives trout ample time to key on them and gives anglers sustained dry fly fishing action. Size 12 patterns are appropriate at peak emergence.Why should anglers fish larger nymph patterns in early spring?Nymph size follows a seasonal arc: early in the year, aquatic insects are at or near maximum size before the first hatches reduce their populations and successive generations emerge progressively smaller. Sizes 14 and 16 are particularly effective in this early window, as they match the naturals more accurately than the smaller patterns that will dominate later in the season.What does Mac Brown recommend for anglers who want to improve most efficiently?Mac consistently points to in-person structured instruction — particularly his two-day casting school — as the highest-leverage investment for improvement. He contrasts this with YouTube and book-based learning, which lack the real-time feedback loop required to correct ingrained errors and build proper mechanics into muscle memory.Related ContentS7, Ep 16 - Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac BrownS7, Ep 20 - Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting TechniquesS7, Ep 28 - Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS6, Ep 10 - Casting Angles with Mac BrownS6, Ep 141 - Mastering Cold Weather Fly Fishing with Mac BrownConnect with Our GuestFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow the ShowFollow The Articulate Fly on Facebook, Instagram,

Locals call it “The Road to Nowhere,” but its official name is Lakeview Drive. It’s a scenic six-mile stretch overlooking Fontana Lake in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park near Bryson City, North Carolina. After the road goes through a 1200-foot-long tunnel blasted out of a granite mountainside, it abruptly stops. The government spent millions of dollars until environmental concerns discovered later ended the project. Jesus, who was a carpenter by trade, once told a construction parable about counting the cost of following Him. “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower,” He asked. “Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?” (Luke 14:28). Another parable follows about a king who considers the cost of going to war, and it makes the same point. Speaking to the “large crowds . . . traveling” with Him (v. 25), Jesus wanted them to understand that there was a cost to sincerely believing in and following Him. Following Jesus only because of what He can do for us is a “road to nowhere.” But following Him for Him—turning daily from sin and self-focus to live for Him and His kingdom (carrying our “cross,” as He put it in v. 27)—changes everything. The cost must be counted. But He’s worth it.

In this episode of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash connects with Mac Brown from Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, for another Casting Angles segment exploring an often-overlooked winter fishing strategy: dry fly fishing in cold weather conditions. Mac reveals why winter dry fly fishing deserves more attention, particularly in the Great Smoky Mountains where low, clear water and selective trout make stealth presentations with dries surprisingly effective. The discussion covers critical winter hatches including midges, blue wing olives and October caddis, with Mac emphasizing that BWOs in the Smokies are exceptionally small—requiring size 30 patterns for selective fish rather than the typical size 18 parachutes many anglers default to. Both anglers share insights on dry dropper techniques for precision nymphing in skinny winter water, explaining how light rigs allow far more accurate presentations than indicator setups when targeting specific fish. Mac reflects on how his most memorable catches throughout his guiding career have come on dry flies during fall and winter, challenging the modern trend toward nymph-only approaches. The conversation also touches on late-winter black stonefly hatches and Mac's upcoming 2026 fly fishing show schedule including Boston, Edison, Denver, Bellevue, Pleasanton and Lancaster.Related ContentS7, Ep 28 - Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownS6, Ep 130 - Casting in Color: Mac Brown's Fall Fly Fishing StrategiesS6, Ep 141 - Mastering Cold Weather Fly Fishing with Mac BrownS6, Ep 145 - Navigating Winter Waters: Unconventional Strategies with Mac BrownAll Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.In the

What happens when a North Carolina hunter recovering from injury uses the forest as therapy — and finds something waiting for him in the woods? In this gripping episode, we speak with Scott, a lifelong outdoorsman with multiple terrifying encounters across North Carolina. From a fog-shrouded trail in Uwharrie where something massive landed behind him, to eerie switchbacks in Crowder's Mountain State Park, and finally to a yurt near Bryson City where something stood outside the tent... clicking its teeth. You'll hear about invisible giants, ripped-up boulders, missing forest sounds, and the primal fear that still haunts him. This isn't just about Bigfoot — it's about what happens when the forest looks back. Featuring locations like Uwharrie, Clingman's Dome, Crowder's Mountain, and more, this episode is a must-listen for anyone who's ever felt followed in the woods.

On this episode of Speaking of Travel, we're joined by Colin McBeath, President of the Nantahala Outdoor Center, to talk about the magic of the outdoors and the power of travel to connect us all. With more than 30 years leading hospitality and resort operations around the world, Colin shares his heartfelt perspective on how tourism brings communities together, helps us recover and grow, and invites us to embrace adventure in our everyday lives.We talk about the importance of partnerships, the evolving world of outdoor recreation, and the simple yet profound joy of stepping outside and experiencing nature. Colin's stories remind us that travel and time outdoors aren't just about destinations.Spending time in nature with the people we love is one of life's greatest gifts. Whether it's a family hike, paddling a river, or simply sitting under the stars, these shared adventures create memories that last forever.Tune in for an uplifting conversation full of insights and encouragement to live with a spirit of adventure along with a fresh perspective on travel, recreation, and the world around us.Only on Speaking of Travel! Tune in. Thanks for listening to Speaking of Travel! Visit speakingoftravel.net for travel tips, travel stories, and ways you can become a more savvy traveler.

Join Marvin Cash on The Articulate Fly for another Casting Angles segment with expert instructor Mac Brown, where they explore the path from basic technique to true casting mastery. Brown, a renowned fly fishing guide and casting instructor from Bryson City, North Carolina, brings decades of teaching experience to discuss the four stages of learning that transform mechanical casting into effortless, flow-state performance.Perfect timing for the post-Labor Day transition period, this episode dives into advanced line control techniques, kinesthetic learning approaches and why skill retention matters more than flashy one-time performance. Brown reveals how understanding the "why" behind casting mechanics eliminates performance anxiety and joint freezing, while his progressive teaching method ensures anglers build consistency before advancing to the next skill level. Learn about curve casts, double haul variations and systematic approaches to building a complete arsenal of casting techniques that utilize different airspaces for varying water conditions and obstacles. Brown emphasizes why mastering multiple line control methods prepares anglers for real fishing situations when trees and cover block traditional casting lanes. With fall fishing opportunities ahead in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and delayed harvest stocking beginning in October, this episode provides essential preparation for anglers ready to elevate their casting from basic competence to confident mastery on the water.Related ContentS7, Ep 20 - Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting TechniquesS7, Ep 16 - Simplifying Complexity: Effective Teaching Strategies in Fly Fishing with Mac BrownS6, Ep 10 - Casting Angles with Mac BrownS7, Ep 28 - Warming Waters and Active Fish: A Spring Fishing Update with Mac BrownAll Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good

In this compelling episode of The Articulate Fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash teams up with renowned guide and instructor Mac Brown for another insightful Casting Angles segment focused on high water fishing strategies in the Great Smoky Mountains. Mac, who lives on Deep Creek in Bryson City and has been guiding Appalachian waters since the 1980s, reveals why experienced anglers should flip conventional wisdom during big rain events and head to lower elevations rather than seeking high mountain streams. Learn how massive brown trout emerge from hiding during flash flood conditions, creating feeding frenzies that represent some of the best fishing opportunities in Appalachia. Mac shares specific streamer fishing techniques including his go-to Black Ghost pattern, the importance of color contrast in turbid water and why upsizing flies becomes critical during high water events. Discover proven bank fishing tactics using jig hooks for fast-moving water, plus Mac's upcoming fall instructional offerings including his September advanced casting school, October guide school and a special wet fly fishing workshop with legendary angler Davy Wotton on Arkansas' White River - where Mac first learned to fly fish as a child.All Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.In the Industry and Need Help Getting Unstuck?Check out our consulting options!

In this episode, we're sharing our experience at the Nantahala Outdoor Center (NOC) in Bryson City, NC, where we spent a few days hiking, rafting, cozying up in the rain, and finding that perfect mix of stillness and adventure.We stayed in a treetop bungalow at The Hemlocks at NOC, explored a small portion of the Appalachian Trail, got soaked on a ducky trip, skipped mountain biking in favor of rest, and left with full hearts and sore legs.Whether you're looking for your next getaway or just need a reminder to slow down and breathe, we've got you.

In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash reconnects with Mac Brown for the first Casting Angles of 2025. Broadcasting remotely from Mexico, Mac shares his experiences of enjoying the warm climate before heading back to the snowy weather of the U.S. The discussion shifts to New Year resolutions, focusing on enhancing fly fishing and fly tying skills. Mac emphasizes the importance of investing in oneself, suggesting that anglers should set specific and measurable goals to improve their skills, such as casting accuracy in challenging conditions.Marvin and Mac highlight the value of attending fly fishing shows and building relationships with seasoned instructors to aid in skill development. As Mac prepares for a busy show circuit, he outlines his schedule, which includes stops at Marlborough, Edison and Lancaster, as well as local events in Bryson City. Listeners are encouraged to visit Mac's website for more information on casting classes, guide schools and event dates.Marvin wraps up by wishing everyone a Happy New Year and invites listeners to catch up with him at the Denver and Bobbin' the Hood shows. As always, he encourages everyone to embrace the season and get out on the water when possible. Tight lines!All Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.In the Industry and Need Help Getting Unstuck?Check out our consulting options!

Explore the strength and unity of Bryson City, North Carolina, as Erin Smith, owner of Humanité Boutique, shares her journey as a small business owner during challenging times. Learn how the community came together after Hurricane Helene, the lessons that shaped their recovery, and the impact of supporting one another. Erin's story reveals the importance of connection, resilience, and creating a meaningful legacy, all set against the backdrop of Bryson City's natural beauty and holiday charm.

Send us a textBryson City, NC, is a mountain town in Western North Carolina that blends resilience, community spirit, and festive traditions. In this episode, Sarah Conley, Executive Director of the Swain County TDA, shares how Bryson City navigated the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. From using social media to keep residents informed to preparing for winter visitors, the town demonstrates its strength and ability to adapt in every situation.As the holiday season approaches, Bryson City transforms into a cozy winter retreat. Highlights include the Polar Express train ride, a family favorite that brings holiday stories to life, and the dazzling Christmas Light Spectacular that lights up the town. Visitors can enjoy warm hospitality, stunning mountain views, and countless opportunities to make unforgettable holiday memories.This episode dives into what makes Bryson City truly special—its resilience, holiday magic, and the way it welcomes visitors with open arms, no matter the season.https://www.explorebrysoncity.com/

In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash connects with Mac Brown to discuss the unique challenges and joys of fall fly fishing in the Bryson City area. As the peak of fall foliage passes, Mac shares his insights on navigating the leaf litter that can deter anglers during this season. He emphasizes the effectiveness of using dry flies, particularly with orange hues, to avoid snagging leaves and offers a technique called the "circle pickup" to keep your fly clean.Mac and Marvin delve into the seasonal changes, from the colorful landscapes to the importance of safety and preparedness when wading in unfamiliar waters. They discuss the benefits of carrying a wading staff and having a survival kit on hand, especially as temperatures drop.Looking ahead, Mac is gearing up for a trip to Arkansas, where he'll reunite with fellow angler Davy Wotton for some fishing and possibly upland bird hunting. He also previews his busy schedule of fly fishing shows, including appearances at the Great Waters Fly Fishing Expo and various Fly Fishing Shows, where he'll be teaching alongside notable instructors like Gary Borger.Listeners are encouraged to embrace the fall fishing opportunities before winter sets in and reminded to check out the class signups for the upcoming shows. Tight lines, everyone!All Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.In the Industry and Need Help Getting Unstuck?Check out our consulting options!

Thanks to Bryson City, NC for sponsoring this episode. Plan your trip today! https://www.explorebrysoncity.com/ In this episode, Chris and Sara take you on a journey through some of America's most charming and lesser-known small mountain towns. These hidden gems offer unique experiences, breathtaking views, and a slower pace of life, perfect for travelers seeking adventure and tranquility. Chris and Sara share their personal experiences and tips for making the most of your visit to these enchanting destinations, highlighting what makes each town unique and worth exploring. Whether you're a seasoned traveler or just looking for a new escape, you'll find a small town right for you. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/chris-and-sara/support

Thanks to Bryson City, NC, for sponsoring this episode. Plan your trip today! https://www.explorebrysoncity.com/ In this episode, Chris and Sara sit down with Chris and Ellen, a husband-and-wife duo from Asheville, North Carolina, to discuss their unique approach to travel through house-sitting. Chris and Ellen share their journey from traditional living to exploring the world by caring for homes and pets across various countries. They recount their experiences staying in luxurious locations like chateaus in France and vineyards in Tuscany, along with the challenges and rewards of their lifestyle. Follow Chris and Ellen: YouTube:  https://youtube.com/ChrisandEllen  Instagram: https://instagram.com/chrisandellen Website: https://chrisandellen.com You'll Learn How Chris and Ellen transitioned to a lifestyle of house-sitting and travel. The benefits and challenges of house-sitting, including staying in luxury locations. Insights into managing remote work while exploring new places. Tips for becoming a successful house sitter and finding the best gigs. Highlights of Chris and Ellen's travels, including their upcoming trip to the Paris 2024 Olympics. Practical advice for those interested in house-sitting as a way to travel affordably. Today's Guests Chris and Ellen Chris and Ellen are travel content creators who document their house-sitting experiences across the globe. With a strong online presence, they share their adventures and insights into the nomadic lifestyle, offering tips and stories about the unique places they've visited. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/chris-and-sara/support

NOTE: We recorded this episode in June 2022. Before posting it, two sudden and unexpected serious medical conditions, one after the other, derailed (pun intended) our plans to continue recording and posting new episodes. However, after two years, we are back! We thank God for His continued care for us and allowing us to do this podcast, which we love. Thank you for listening.Bryson City, North Carolina is “small town America,” packed with big outdoor fun. In this episode, Marc and Ann talk about their day trip to Bryson City to take the historic “1702” steam engine train roundtrip to Nantahala Outdoor Center.Listen as they describe the sights along the train route, the experience of riding and old-fashioned steam engine powered train, and visiting the train museum.My Smoky Mountain GuideGreat Smoky Mountains RailroadDillsboro Chocolate FactorySmoky Mountain Trains MuseumFly Fishing Museum of the Southern AppalachiansNantahala Outdoor CenterIron Wok

Traveling helps you make your everyday life less boring. Travel experiences ultimately become your passions. So why not try new things and get out and explore the world?On this episode of Speaking of Travel, Josie Vosoba, founder of Lavender and Vine, a business running small-group tours to France, is an artist who loves landscapes and botanical themes, many inspired by her annual trips to Provence, France. Josie shares why she loves taking artists to Provence to experience the wonder, excitement, and beauty she finds in nature.And discover beautiful Western North Carolina, another popular travel destination known for its Southern charm and some of the most ancient mountains in the world, by train. Dustin McNeely-Wall from the Great Smoky Mountains Railroad, fills us in on why this iconic attraction, with its rich history, sense of nature and community, and several special events throughout the year, has become a family tradition. Make your travel dreams come true and go explore! Tune in to Speaking of Travel and be carried away to places from around the world and right here in your own backyard.Thanks for listening to Speaking of Travel! Visit speakingoftravel.net for travel tips, travel stories, and ways you can become a more savvy traveler.

Join host Marvin Cash on The Articulate Fly for another engaging episode of Casting Angles with Mac Brown. Mac shares the excitement of his son's high school graduation and the family celebrations in Bryson City. Transitioning into summer, they discuss the end of the delayed harvest season in North Carolina and explore alternative fishing options. Mac offers valuable tips on targeting bream, smallmouth and catfish in farm ponds and rivers, highlighting the fun of catching catfish on dry flies.Mac also delves into the potential of cicada hatches and their impact on fishing, sharing anecdotes from his experiences and insights on using cicada patterns. The conversation shifts to practical advice on fishing poppers and streamers, emphasizing the effectiveness of smaller poppers and simple streamer patterns like woolly buggers and finesse changers.Whether you're planning your next fishing adventure or looking for expert advice, this episode is packed with valuable information and a few laughs. Tight lines!All Things Social MediaFollow Mac on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and YouTube.Support the Show Shop on AmazonBecome a Patreon PatronSubscribe to the PodcastSubscribe to the podcast in the podcatcher of your choice.Advertise on the PodcastIs our community a good fit for your brand? Advertise with us.In the Industry and Need Help Getting Unstuck?Check out our consulting options!

Segment 3, February 10th, 2024 Many call Bryson City, NC, the Fly Fishing Capitol of the south. With 4 different rivers running into the area as well as Fontana lake, there's no better place to spend a day wading than Swain County. However, since 2019 there is more to do in Bryson City than just fly fish. The Fly Fishing Museum of the Southern Appalachians now plays host to an aquarium where you can view more than 50 species of freshwater fish, without the hassle of catching them first! Today, we take a closer look at what it took to bring the museum together, and what keeps people coming back. Alen Baker is the founder of The Fly Fishing Museum of the Southern Appalachians. Alen also helped rejuvenate the Rocky River Trout Unlimited Chapter in Charlotte, and recently joined Bill Bartee, host of the Carolina Outdoors to speak about the founding, development and history of the Museum and Aquarium in Bryson City. Things You'll Learn by Listening: Show Highlights: History of Fly Fishing- dating back to 10,000 BCE Regionality of Fly Fishing and what makes it special in the Southeast Potential development of a new museum in the western part of the country Baker has contributed all this to fly fishing in his retirement, after 34 years at Duke Energy Baker's Foundation of the Rocky River Chapter of Trout Unlimited, and joining the Hall of Fame What makes Bryson City so special for fly fishing The Carolina Outdoors is powered by the local, independent fly shop, Jesse Brown's.

Ever considered shrinking your living space for a simpler, more efficient life? Join us as we unfold the world of tiny homes, where innovation meets minimalist living. Discover the allure of these pint-sized dwellings from a captivating video that sparked our interest, to the practicality of their design for uses as diverse as project offices or quirky Airbnb rentals. We take you through the ins and outs of tiny home living in Western North Carolina, where the Asheville Triangle offers lush landscapes for these modern habitats. This episode is a treasure trove of insights into the safety, durability, and design aspects of tiny homes that bring in natural light and maximize space.Selling over 3,500 homes has taught me a thing or two about the real estate game, and I'm excited to share my stories and strategies with you. Get the scoop on our revolutionary Cash CPO offer that's changing the home selling landscape, providing sellers with a cash advance and covering the costs of crucial inspections and repairs. But that's just the tip of the iceberg – I peel back the curtain on the economic cycle's influence on the real estate market, the mixed emotions accompanying relocation, and the charm of North Carolina's climate that draws people to seek their 'forever homes' in this picturesque state.Putting a house on the market? Listen in for practical advice on navigating the real estate realm with confidence. We delve into the merits of pre-inspections and home warranties – think certified pre-owned vehicles but for houses – and how these strategies can pave the way for a smooth sale. For those with listings that just won't budge, we discuss simple yet effective upgrades that can breathe new life into your property's appeal. Plus, we tease the upcoming conversation about the innovative mobile tiny homes, offering a peek at the diverse housing options ranging from scenic multi-home properties to the unique Barn Dominiums of Bryson City. Join us for this episode, where we not only explore housing trends but provide actionable tips for sellers and buyers alike in the charming landscapes of Western North Carolina.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/553  Presented by: Skwala, Northern Rockies Adventures Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors    In this episode, we delve into fly fishing North Carolina with the seasoned pro, Mac Brown. With his experience in casting and teaching, Brown shares his knowledge on not only the techniques of fly casting and fishing but also its history and evolution throughout the years. Whether discussing his journey from the Ozarks to the Great Smoky Mountain National Park or unraveling the intricacies of fly casting, Brown's insights illuminate the art and sport of fly fishing. Read on for an insightful journey into the world of fly fishing with Mac Brown. Episode Chapters with Mac Brown on Fly FIshing North Carolina 1:30 - Mac shares how he started fly fishing as a kid with his grandfather. He was born in the Ozarks, and then eventually moved to Bryson City, North Carolina. 9:15 - He tells us what he loves about living in Bryson City, including the weather. 14:44 - He helped start the Delayed Harvest on the Nantahala River and the Tuckasegee River in the early nineties with the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission (NCWRC). 18:10 - We talk about the fishing techniques he uses in his area in North Carolina. 21:55 - He walks us through the activities they do in his guide school. 26:02 - He also does fishing shows. He mentions the upcoming shows he'll be attending to teach casting and tying classes. 33:18 - He gives valuable tips on casting. He also reflects on his experiences learning from some of the best fishers in the world, such as Jim Green and Gary Borger. With decades of teaching behind him, Mac emphasizes the importance of understanding casting techniques comprehensively and advises investing both in formal and informal learning experiences. 36:44 - He walks us through the game he and his kids play to master their casting. 39:43 - Mac recommends visiting the Fly Fishers International (FFI) website to find a casting instructor. 41:59 - He helps us understand the basics of casting and the importance of a proper casting technique. 44:39 - He talks about casting distance and teaching casting to kids. 48:34 - We dig into the role of acceleration in casting. He says casting is more of a timing game, not a muscle game. He also says that the biggest thing about casting is dealing with external surroundings. 52:46 - He talks about teaching how to roll cast. 55:53 - He's one of the Board of Governors in FFI's Casting Instructor Certification Program. 57:18 - He talks about kinesthetic relative to casting. 1:05:23 - We dig into the gear. He prefers a 10 1/2" 2wt rod. He likes the stealth rod from Temple Fork Outfitters (TFO) 1:08:05 - We talk about euro nymphing. That's how he fished with his grandfather in the Ozarks. 1:12:12 - I ask him about his definition of fly fishing. He also gives a tip on casting with heavy flies. 1:14:17 - We talk about music. He likes playing music with his kids and their electric guitars. He likes the Grateful Dead and Robert Johnson. He also mentions some other artists he likes. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/553   

In this episode I sit down with Valerie Frapp, General Manager of the Historic Tapoco Lodge. We delve into the rich history, timeless design, and unparalleled craftsmanship that define this haven, virtually unchanged since its establishment in 1930. The Lodge's spacious and inviting layout, featuring the Tapoco dining room, Laurel Lounge Whiskey Bar, grand fireplace, library, and riverside seating with firepits, continues to captivate visitors.Discover the fascinating evolution of the Historic Tapoco Lodge through Valerie's insights into its 27 unique rooms, ranging from rustic cabins to luxurious suites, and the 11 enchanting hiking trails that weave through the property. But the magic doesn't end there – the staff's dedication to creating an unforgettable experience shines through, from incorporating local products into meals to fostering a warm holiday atmosphere, now extending throughout the year.No exploration of Historic Tapoco Lodge would be complete without delving into nearby wonders like the renowned Tale of the Dragon, the iconic Great Smoky Mountains National Park, serene Lake Santeetlah, the enchanting Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest, and charming towns like Robbinsville and Bryson City.Join us on this unforgettable journey into the heart and soul of a historic yet modern gem – Historic Tapoco Lodge, where adventure and sanctuary seamlessly converge.MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODEPotawatomi Nation https://www.potawatomiheritage.com/encyclopedia/trail-of-death/Enthusiast Hotel Collection https://enthusiasthotels.com/Chalkboard Communications https://www.chalkboardcomm.comBenton MacKaye https://appalachiantrailhistory.org/exhibits/show/builders/bmackaye#:~:text=MacKaye%20wanted%20his%20proposed%20Trail,increasing%20stresses%20of%20urban%20society.Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/nfsnc/recarea/?recid=48920Tail of the Dragon https://tailofthedragon.com/Historic Tapoco Lodge https://tapoco.com/Mike AndressHost, Exploration Local828-551-9065mike@explorationlocal.comPodcast WebsiteFacebookInstagram: explorationlocal

In this episode we WadeOutThere with Mac Brown from Bryson City, North Carolina.  Mac's Grandad taught him to fly fish as a small boy in the Ozarks, having him practice  in the yard before he would take him to the river.  Thus was born in him a fascination and love of not just fly fishing but loops and casting.  After fishing the White River system in college, Mac moved to North Carolina in 1986 and has been guiding there ever since.  Mac is a fly fishing and casting instructor and is the author of “Casting Angles.”  We discuss how the 80/20 principle applies to fly fishing's core practices, the basics of loop control, North Carolina, and the pitfalls of putting the goal before the process.To learn more about Mac and the topics we discussed in this episode, or to schedule a guided trip or casting lessons check out the following links:MacBrownFlyfish.comFlyfishingguideschool.comInstagram @macbrownflyfishPresentation by Gary A. BorgerTrout Fishing From All Angles by Eric TavernerThe Curtis Creek Manifesto by Sheridan AndersonHow to Get the Most From Your Time on the WaterFor more fly fishing stories, lessons learned, and artwork check out my blog and online gallery at Wadeoutthere.com

Segment 2, May 13th, 2023 There is a fly-fishing hall of fame that opened in the Catskills, NY, back in 1985.  It was opened there because of the rich history that the area had within the sport. However, the southern Appalachians also have a rich history of fly fishing.  For that reason, in 2013 the Fly Fishing Museum of the Southern Appalachians  (FFMSA) opened.  The first location was in Cherokee, NC.  It soon moved to Bryson City, NC, & recently has relocated beside the Appalachian Rivers Aquarium on Island Street. Alen Baker was the driving force in the opening of the museum & continues on the Board.  After growing up in the Lenoir-area & working for Duke Energy, he became a leading advocate for fly fishing & conservation.  His work for Trout Unlimited & the NC Wildlife Federation, along with authoring several books have made him a mainstay in the community. Baker joins the Carolina Outdoors to share the Museum's place as a center point for education, history, & the arts, as well as the crafts & science of the sport.  Baker describes the goal of capturing the history of fly fishing as "old-timers" pass away & technology changes. Technology has helped add to the sport & bring new people into it but the Museum's intent is helping them know the techniques, styles, & people that came before them. Bill Bartee spoke to Alen Baker with a Winston fly rod in Charlotte just to keep the spirit of the conversation in-style.

In April 1992, the body of Mary Catherine Haymond, 34, of Bryson City, NC was found shot to death in the home she shared with the man who killed her. We found very limited information about Mary Catherine, if you have anything you would be willing to share about who she was, please email us at weareresilientpod@gmail.comFor links to information found for this episode:https://www.newspapers.com/article/asheville-citizen-times/124066953/https://www.newspapers.com/article/asheville-citizen-times/124067021/https://www.newspapers.com/article/asheville-citizen-times/124067062/https://www.newspapers.com/article/asheville-citizen-times/124067110/

Show Notes:  https://wetflyswing.com/442 Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, Daiichi, Stonefly Nets, Angler's Coffee Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors Alen Baker is here to take us to the Fly Fishing Museum of the Southern Appalachians. We discover who some of the most famous people are in this region and why they have a drift boat in the museum. We also learn how they are different and similar to some of the museums around the country. Tune in and get ready to reel in some new knowledge! Fly Fishing Museum Show Notes with Alen Baker 03:00 - Alen shares how he got into fly fishing in 1981, noting that he grew up fishing with worm bait. 04:18 - Alen's idea for the Fly Fishing Museum of the Southern Appalachians came to fruition after a trip to Nova Scotia, where he visited the Salmon Museum and was inspired to create something similar for the South. 08:12 - The museum primarily focuses on the people and methods of fly fishing in the mountains, with a special exhibit on Ray Bergman's rod and book called Trout. 10:03 - Alen noted some individuals that have contributed significantly to the history of fly fishing in the Southern Appalachian region, like Fred and Allaine Hall, who were well-known fly pattern creators. 13:05 - The Hall of Fame has expanded to include the Ozarks and is now known as the Southern Fly Fishing Hall of Fame. It includes people like Bernard "Lefty" Kreh, Davy Wotton, Dave Whitlock, and others who have significantly contributed to the fly fishing industry, including conservationists and craftsmen. 14:08 - Other notable museums include the Catskill Fly Fishing Museum, the Fly Fishers International in Livingston, and the American Museum of Fly Fishing. 16:15 - Alen walks us through the museum's Hall of Fame selection process. The museum holds a meet and greet and induction luncheon for their Hall of Fame, followed by a museum tour. They also host a fundraiser to raise money for groups like Casting Carolinas. 19:08 - Bryson City is well known for whitewater rafting on the Nantahala Outdoor Center and the Smoky Mountain Railroad. 20:54 - The new building for the museum will feature aquariums and a cabin-style museum with a vaulted ceiling to house exhibits such as Gary and Wanda Taylor's McKenzie-style drift boat built and run in the southeast. We had Wanda Taylor on the show before. 26:15 - We had a whole mini-season on drift boats before. In one episode, we also had John Bond talk about moving his drift boat to Norway. We also had Jack Dennis in Episode 217. 28:12 - The museum has also established satellite exhibits in various locations to promote the museum and make it more accessible to people who cannot visit the primary site in Bryson City. They currently have seven satellite exhibit locations. 35:14 - Alen wrote My Fly Fishing Playbook and also a book about the museum. He will also write a follow-up book to Fly Fishermen of Caldwell County: North Carolina Life Stories. 38:46 - Alen recommends the Smoky Mountain Fly Fishing and Tuckaseegee Fly Shop for people who want to fly fish in Bryson City. 42:00 - Jim Casada, Don Kirk, and Jim Dean were some of the individuals that influenced Alen in his fly fishing. Don started his own Hall of Fame called Legends of the Fly. 46:18 - If you build it, they will come. -- Alen Baker Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/442

In this episode Brian and Mark have real estate agent and investor Kirby Graves on the show to talk about using investing as an alternative form of income, how Kirby got into real estate investing, Kirby's first investing deal, what types of investments can work well for the real estate agent, getting started and making that initial jump into investing, balancing being a real estate agent and a property investor, Kirby's Bryson City campground property investment, where agents should look for money for their first deals & partnering up with others  and book and podcast recommendations for investing.Social Media and Contact InformationLink Tree:  https://linktr.ee/raisingrealestatestandards

You may have seen the sign dated 1943 on a windy road in the Smoky Mountains. It's just outside the Bryson City and reads “Welcome to the Road to Nowhere: A broken promise!” You can follow the road through a dark tunnel, but then it mysteriously ends in the side of a mountain. WRAL's Hidden History reporter Heather Leah breaks down the mystery for us in this episode. https://www.wral.com/road-to-nowhere-abandoned-tunnel-s-history-connects-to-underwater-ghost-town-in-nc/19960234/

In today's episode, I met up with my buddy and neighbor Dean Gibson and we sat down at one of our local parks where Dean did me the honor of sharing a glimpse into his story. He touches on what it was like to grow up as a black man in Appalachia, and tell us about Operation Grassy Knoll -- the retaliatory police ambush of one of Haywood County's historically black communities that targeted and criminalized Dean along with about 20 other folks -- before he talks about the corruption of the so-called "justice" system that sentenced him to life in prison before he successfully had his sentence overturned. Hopefully Dean will have some books coming out soon in more depth about his experiences, but in the meantime, you can check out some of these news articles:1) A Community Cracks (2019): https://www.themountaineer.com/news/a-community-cracks/article_12706a24-497e-11e9-a387-4bcb39e9df5f.html?2) Hold Until Deceased (2019): https://www.themountaineer.com/news/hold-until-deceased/article_27b0ac5c-4981-11e9-a0f4-c3410914a098.html?3) An Appeal to Justice (2019): https://www.themountaineer.com/news/an-appeal-to-justice/article_3e38b744-4990-11e9-9cbf-93ea9109ff30.html?4) Drug Trials Under Way in Bryson City (1998): http://haywoodlibrary.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?fn=the_enterprise_mountaineer_usa_north_carolina_waynesville_19980311_english_1&df=1&dt=10&cid=28505) A Community on the Brink (1998): http://haywoodlibrary.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?fn=the_enterprise_mountaineer_usa_north_carolina_waynesville_19980325_english_1&df=1&dt=10&cid=2850---Follow, support, share the podcast at: https://linktr.ee/rednecksrising

Dennis and Rhydon welcome surprise impromptu guest, Cajun Joe, to the show as he and Rhydon sat at opposite ends of their family dinning table in Bryson City for what is one of the most interesting shows in HVAC R&D history. Sit back and enjoy some stories from a legend of the industry.

In today's crowded Airbnb space, gain a competitive advantage through data analysis!   We welcome Airbnb data expert John Bianchi to discuss how we can extract and utilize Airbnb data to make our listings stand out and boost our bookings. John is the founder of Jaunt, an Airbnb property management company, and his goal is to help investors acquire profitable Airbnbs. Today, he offers data-driven insights on the current trends in the market, hotspots for opportunities to look out for, and proven ways to add value to our properties.     [00:01 - 02:24] Meet the Airbnb Data Guy John talks about his consulting business with clients all over the world Why he decided to upload a free Airbnb Data YouTube course   [02:25 - 13:13] Experience is King How COVID impacted Airbnb People are now searching for amenities, not places What are the best locations? Areas to consider: National parks The rise of second-tier and third-tier spots Why unique stays are winning  Exploring the motel and RV resort industry The advantages of an unmanned hotel   [13:14 - 19:42] Analysis with AirDNA Consistency and trends are key Replicating what works and offering more How amenities can make a big difference   [19:43 - 21:28] Closing Segment Reach out to John!  Links Below Final Words Tweetable Quotes   “Airbnb's all about the amenities. The boring homes are the ones that lose.” - John Bianchi “Data is all about finding trends. You find some sort of consistency, some sort of pattern that can be repeated.” - John Bianchi “In the long run of things, by adding in those hot tubs and adding in a game room, and a pool table, all that's doing is sort of securing your bet.” - John Bianchi -----------------------------------------------------------------------------   Connect with John! Shoot him an email and schedule a free consultation call at hello@pointanalytics.co. Subscribe to his YouTube channel for his Airbnb Data courses!   Connect with me:   I love helping others place money outside of traditional investments that both diversify a strategy and provide solid predictable returns.     Facebook   LinkedIn   Like, subscribe, and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or whatever platform you listen on.  Thank you for tuning in!   Email me → sam@brickeninvestmentgroup.com Want to read the full show notes of the episode? Check it out below:   [00:00:00] John Bianchi: Now the way that I explain this is that data is all about finding trends. You find some sort of consistency, some sort of pattern that can be repeated, right? It is, in a sense, the Burger King logic. So McDonald's spends millions of dollars to figure out what corner to be on, Burger King opens up across the street, right? We are the Burger King in this scenario. We use all of the Airbnbs that currently exist as guinea pigs that, to figure out exactly what's working, what's driving revenue. And once we find a trend, a home at a certain style and a certain theme where we can see that it's been done a few different times, what ends up happening is you see they're all roughly making about a hundred thousand dollars. So then that tells you if I then go open up across the street with the exact same style, look, and feel, I'm going to make about a hundred thousand dollars, right?  [00:00:55] Sam Wilson: John Bianchi built and sold an Airbnb business. And during that time he learned how to analyze Airbnb data so well that he's been able to build a consulting service based upon it. John, welcome to the show.  [00:01:05] John Bianchi: Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. [00:01:07] Sam Wilson: Pleasure, man. There's three questions I ask every guest who comes to the show: in 90 seconds or less, can you tell me where did you start? Where are you now? And how did you get there?  [00:01:14] John Bianchi: Started out of Michigan actually. So started out of my own bedroom. I had an Airbnb and I rented out the extra room. Just kinda get a feel for it Where I ended up, where I am now is an Airbnb data consulting business where I literally helped people purchase Airbnbs all across the United States, all across the world, actually, just to, I do reports in Italy and in London, England, and stuff like that. [00:01:33] John Bianchi: And I got there through a lot of work, ended up building up the business from, started in Michigan, building up a couple of homes, raised money, opened up a business in Chicago, built that up to about 15 locations, had some down in Scottsdale, Arizona as well. And also built out a cleaning company alongside with that. [00:01:50] John Bianchi: Then 2020 came and I had somebody who wanted to buy my business, so I sold it. And then I was trying to get, stay within the Airbnb world. And the data was something that I did extremely well and I realized that nobody else did well. And so I actually just created a course, put the course on YouTube 'cause I had no idea how to sell it and it wasn't that great. So I was put onto YouTube for free and now about 10,000 people have gone through it and 10% of those people have actually finished it. And literally, just from putting that course out there, I've kind of created a name for myself as the Airbnb data guy and literally, like, created a business from there. And so I've just kind of been rolling with it from then.  [00:02:24] Sam Wilson: Man, that's absolutely fantastic. I want to hear more about that. You know, everybody knows the trends inside of Airbnb and the reason I think you and I are talking on this show is 'cause I see personally Airbnb as a scalable business. And that's the name of the show, How to Scale Commercial Real Estate. Yes. Airbnb is typically in the single-family sector, but let's talk about a trend maybe that we're seeing before we get into the data side. So that way we have some kind of supporting evidence or things to apply the data to. What are some trends we're seeing in the Airbnb world right now that, yeah, just talk to us about that? I hear there's some interesting things going on.  [00:02:58] John Bianchi: So COVID is one of the most interesting things that has happened to the Airbnb world. Like, it literally shook up everything that was happening. Before, it was just very, very typical. You know, you get your single-family home, you rent it out and you go to the main areas that you could think of, right? So you got your, all your major cities. The biggest ones are obviously Nashville, Tennessee, because they were like a town, but also had a bunch of tourism from bachelor parties, stuff like that, right? Then COVID hit and COVID kind of changed everything. It stopped everything but also moved everybody out of the cities into these remote areas. [00:03:29] John Bianchi: And so what ended up happening was you saw these areas like Poconos, just outside of Philadelphia and New York, you know, the Smoky Mountains just like absolutely blew up, all these different spots. You could just go on and on about these different spots. We're just seeing insane revenue because everyone in America wasn't traveling internationally. They're all just staying local. And so there became all of these hot spots, like, you could literally buy a home within, in Poconos for $300,000 and it would make $150,000 in a year, right? It's insane. So now though, so a couple of things have happened. First, we're going into a recession. [00:04:00] John Bianchi: And so people are slowing down. People are traveling internationally now. So there's not as much people traveling around or, sorry, going to these local spots anymore. And Airbnb actually made major changes to their platform, which changes the way that people search for properties. They're no longer just typing in a location that they want to go to. They're actually typing the amenities that they want, right? Like, I want a lakefront. I want a lot of space. I want a view. Like, that's the way that people search for properties now. So they're not going to specific destinations. So the combination of all of that literally shifted the entire trend of Airbnb within the past two months. [00:04:34] John Bianchi: So places like the Poconos that were just absolutely killing it are sort of falling apart or softening. And so, you know, I work for an investment fund right now and every single time they were looking to go into a market, we're looking to see, is this market softening, right? Has too many people gone in there? Has the revenue dropped year over year, even though there's more supply? And so with all of that being said, it's really hard to say what the exact trend is going to be in the next year because everyone is going international. These ones are softening and we might be going into a recession. So there's like a couple of different factors we've got to consider, right? The way that I keep thinking about it is, what's the stuff that's never going anywhere that people are going to keep going to, that you can build a 10-year business, 20-year business off of, right? [00:05:20] John Bianchi: The easiest ones without a doubt are national parks, right? National parks, people are going to keep going to those. They're going to keep being cool. But the way to actually think about it is that there's multiple entrances to national parks. So as an example, Gatlinburg is, like, the main area to get into the Smokies. But on the other side of the Smokies is Bryson City, which is like this tiny little spot, which apparently is now doing even better, but you could also access the Smokies that way. It's just not as common. So that's where I think, like, a lot of the interesting trends are going to be is like find the places that aren't going anywhere, but where's the opportunities within those areas. [00:05:53] John Bianchi: And, like, one last thing to add to that is even airlines have created one-way flights to the second entrances of national parks. So, like, the second tier entrances, because there's a lot less business travel 'cause of Zoom. They're now trying to figure out other ways that they can fly people around. And one-way flights to these sort of second-tier cities that also enter national parks is happening as well. And that's just going to push more people to those areas.  [00:06:20] Sam Wilson: That's really interesting. I'm trying to think of, shoot, I'm thinking of like St. George, Utah or Kalispell, Montana, places like that, you know, you'd probably, a dozen other cities that would come off the top of my head. You never searched for those, right? [00:06:34] John Bianchi: Never. [00:06:35] Sam Wilson: If you're going to a national park, but yet you're telling me that those are cities now that we should probably start looking for flights into.  [00:06:40] John Bianchi: To be considering. You know, the way that I like to explain it is, a great example is Big Bear right out of, outside of LA, like everybody knows Big Bear, but it's an established market, been around forever, and all of the homes that exist there are Airbnbs, right? And so now there's restaurant stores, tours, all that kind of stuff. One of the main things that I'm seeing is that there's a lot of second tier, third tier locations that are turning into that because people who own family cottages are now selling them to Airbnb investors and Airbnb investors are bringing in, like, a hundred different families into that one specific home. [00:07:12] John Bianchi: If you get a hundred people doing that, right, now, you have like hundreds of new families coming into these new areas, which can support businesses, right? And so once that happens, they're creating new vacation areas, right? And so, like Big Bear, they ran out of space in Big Bear, right? So it's, like, now they need to create all these other new little spots. And so I think those new little spots that are going to be created that are close and have that similar amenities, right? Like the same sort of features that Big Bear has, but maybe not Big Bear is where the majority of the opportunity is going to be coming. [00:07:43] Sam Wilson: I like that idea, you know, but I guess I want to hear how do you account, if you're a data analyst, how do you account for search changes, softening of the market? How do you build that into, is this a good investment? Is this a bad investment? I mean, is it a crapshoot? [00:08:00] John Bianchi: Yeah. So the way that I think you have to win with Airbnb is you got to, you got to think long term without a doubt. Like, if you're just trying to get in for a year or two, just never makes sense, right? But Airbnb's all about the amenities, I said earlier right? Like, the boring homes are the ones that lose. So the people that buy the boring home in the neighborhood of a cool area tend to not do nearly as well, right? So what I mean by that is you need to have the hot tub. You need to have the views. You need to have the lakefront, if you can, you need to have, like, a home that's bigger than the other homes in the area that allows you to have a game room, right? I was just looking at this, doing a property analysis today. And this one home had a slide that went from the kitchen island to the basement, right? It's making $10,000 more than the home next door that doesn't have that, right? The reason being is 'cause they're focused on the kid stuff, right? And so the way that I always say, like, you have to wait in, like, what I'm planning on doing with my own portfolio as I continue to build over the years, 'cause I'm planning on rebuilding my own is just a hundred percent focusing on the properties that just provide everything that you could possibly want in comparison to the neighbors that don't have that. And I think even if markets soften, there's still going to be people going to those areas and it's going to be the homes that provide everything that people want that they're going to be going to, especially with the way that Airbnb is now creating their search.  [00:09:17] Sam Wilson: Yeah. That's a really good, really good points there. And I think that's what people want. We've shifted and for better or for worse, either way to a more experienced-based society. Especially with the younger generations coming up, it's like, I'm kind of part of that in the sense that, like the last thing I want is more stuff, right? Like our, I think our parents and our grandparents, like the acquisition of things in homes and like all this was part of their kind of ethos, but for us, it's like, I don't want any more junk. I just want to experience something really cool. And so to your point, like, Hey, a home with a slide in the kitchen, like, what in the world? [00:09:52] Sam Wilson: Like, oh, the kids go into the basement on the island. That's really, that's pretty fun. Like, I want to do that. So that's really, really cool. What about the trend that we're seeing in the motel space? I've heard some rumblings about this. Do you think that's sustainable?  [00:10:07] John Bianchi: Honestly, this is something that I need, I personally want to be doing even more research into, just because of the amount of noise that I'm hearing or the amount of people I hear doing certain things. [00:10:17] John Bianchi: So, the concept here is you take a motel that has staff. And, you know, it has a check-in desk and, has the breakfast and all that kind of stuff. And you get rid of all of that. And you automate everything that you possibly can within the motel, so that there's literally only a cleaning company. So that when people book on Airbnb, they get their door code, they get their door number. They don't have to talk to anybody and they just go to the door and they check in, check out, and the cleaning company comes, turns it over, and gets it ready for the next guest, right? This is referred to as like the unmanned hotel. You're also making them really trendy. So you buy this motel and then you make it super trendy, really cool looking, and get rid of the expenses, right, of like what you have there.  [00:10:55] John Bianchi: And you know, this is happening in motels. I've also seen it happen in apartment buildings, people taking over complete and entire apartment buildings. Sonder, which is, like, one of the biggest companies that exist did this in downtown Chicago. And I ran all the numbers 'cause I had all their data from the area and they were making like $250,000 more per year running it as that rather than as an apartment building, right? And so like, there's definitely money to be made in it. You just have to have the money to be able to buy the hotel, but you know, there's some big players. [00:11:22] John Bianchi: I don't know if I can necessarily name names, but, like, I know that Robuilt, you know, from BiggerPockets, they're looking at an apartment, a hotel in New York, right, and I can guarantee you it's going to be an unmanned hotel in New York, right? I know other people who are looking down in Miami to do that, I come across in the data, tons of these different places that are already doing it as well. There's one guy on our team who knows somebody who's, that's his entire portfolio. He literally is just looking for motels that he can flip into unmanned hotels.  [00:11:48] Sam Wilson: Right. And again, it goes back to, I think you said, you know, the experience based you know, this maybe isn't necessarily the roadside motel that is, you know, just servicing the local construction crew that's coming through, though that might be part of it. It is, you know, probably again, making them really, really interesting places to go and stay, and yet cutting so much of the expense. Like you said, you know, the breakfast probably nobody wanted anyway. And the front desk staff, the check-in just, you know, the inefficiency there behind that. [00:12:16] Sam Wilson: And we're certainly seeing that even in the RV resort space. I mean, adding, adding a lot of these places, we buy have cabins. They might even have a 10 or 20-room motel and that's a hundred percent the model we're taking, which is like, oh wait, we can completely get rid of the front desk. This makes all the sense in the world. [00:12:31] John Bianchi: Yeah. And that's, you know, that's, that's another area that I'd love to talk about even a little bit more because that's a super trendy, I don't know if it's necessarily trendy like it's going away. But people are amping up their game when it comes to these RV parks and unique stay parks, let's call them, right? Yep. There's one outta Yosemite. That is just absolutely amazing. Like it's, it's one of the coolest places. I want to own it. Like, I literally, I just want it. It's so cool. But there's, but it's creating this experience that you're not going to get anywhere else, right? [00:12:59] John Bianchi: Like, you can book a motel or you can book an Airstream and have, like, the really cool area that you're going to be saying. And it's, you know, it's going to cost double, but you're gonna want to pay for it because it's also the experience, right? [00:13:11] Sam Wilson: Right. Yep. That's it, man. That's it. I want to get into really the heart of this discussion, which is the data, the data that you're pulling. You're a data analyst. I want to hear what data you're pulling, how you're synthesizing it, and turning it into a meaningful, something meaningful that you can then make decisions based off of. Can you walk us through that?  [00:13:30] John Bianchi: Yeah. So AirDNA is the site that I use for Airbnb data. It's the number one Airbnb site or Airbnb data site, without a doubt. There's some other players out there but I've, you know, honed my skills within AirDNA. Now, the way that I always explain this is that data is all about finding trends. You find some sort of consistency, some sort of pattern that can be repeated, right? It is, in a sense, the Burger King logic. [00:13:55] John Bianchi: So McDonald's spends millions of dollars to figure out what corner to be on. Burger King opens up across the street, right? And we are the Burger King in this scenario.  We use all of the Airbnbs that currently exist as guinea pigs to figure out exactly what's working, what's driving revenue, and once we find a trend, a home in a certain style and a certain theme where we can see that it's been done a few different times. What ends up happening is you see they're all roughly making about a hundred thousand dollars. So then that tells you if I then go open up across the street with the exact same style, look, and feel, I'm going to make about a hundred thousand dollars, right? It's the same idea as comping in the, you know, comping a long-term rental, like, you're saying, okay, you got two bedrooms, two bath, but there's more to it, right? It's like, how did they design it? What amenities did they have? [00:14:36] John Bianchi: What kind of views do they have? Different things along those lines. So the way that to kind of bring this back is that when you're going through the data, you have to find the trend, you have to find the consistency. So I have a course on YouTube for free that teaches you how to take AirDNA data and extract it. So pull that data, pull that information out, plug it into a spreadsheet, and do that in a way that allows you to see how much do the four bedrooms make within this specific area of the city. And is there a difference between those four bedrooms and the next neighborhood over, right? [00:15:10] John Bianchi: And you'll be able to see this because there is, there'll be enough, depending on where you are, there'll be enough data to be able to see that sort of trend, right? And so some examples here is like I had my, I had a bunch of four bedrooms in Chicago. The closer you were to the city, the more money you would make. The further, the next neighborhood over would be $10,000 less. The next neighborhood, $10,000 less, right? You just kept dropping by $10,000, sort of the further out you went, but super consistent trend. So you knew whenever you were going to rent a home or whatever in the next neighborhood you had to account for that $10,000 difference in making sure that you were getting it for less than you were in the other neighborhoods. [00:15:48] John Bianchi: Right. And so, yeah, so like the idea is you're looking for some sort of pattern, some sort of consistency where you can literally just replicate that. And the best part about it is that, you know, everything that works. And then you can do more on top of that, right? it's like, oh, okay. I know that I know that I need all this stuff, but I'm actually going to design my home even better. I'm going to take even better photos and I'm going to add a hot tub in the backyard. So now I'm better than everybody else. And so I, I should be able to outperform these people and I'm actually going to be taking the reservations from them to allow me to hit that a hundred thousand dollars.  [00:16:18] Sam Wilson: Is there an algorithm that you use when figuring out what an amenity might be worth? [00:16:25] John Bianchi: I don't have an exact algorithm, so that's literally one of the hardest things to figure out. And the reason being is because you have so many different little factors, like, there's some listings that will be like great, amazing, amazing photos, really well designed, super professional, but it's not a luxury property. [00:16:42] John Bianchi: And then you have like a really bad, bad listing, bad photos, but it's a luxury property and they do the exact same. You know what I mean? So if, you know, in other words, not everything is equal when we're looking at the way that they're marketed, the way that they're designed. So you have to almost play with it, right? [00:16:57] John Bianchi: The only way that you're actually able to figure that out, first, you have to have a ton of data. That's the first one, right? You got to have a good enough amount of data. It, and it works really well. So like for certain amenities, it works really well when it's a larger amenity. Okay. So what I mean by that is views is a great example. So view, right? Like, if you have, in Blue Ridge Georgia. So I was just doing this analysis for the company in Blue Ridge, Georgia. If you have spectacular views, not just like, I can see off my deck, you need the rolling sort of mountain look, right? [00:17:28] John Bianchi: If you have those spectacular views from a deck, You can make about $130,000 as with a four-bedroom cabin, right? It's got to be a pretty good cabin, but you got, and you have the views. If you take that exact same cabin and you give it no views, you'll make $80,000, right? That's just like very, very clear consistency in the data, that's the difference between the views and no views, right? [00:17:52] Sam Wilson: So fifty grand a year in gross income, view or no view?  [00:17:56] John Bianchi: Right. A hundred percent. Like, that's not, that's not made up, that's not a gas I've gone through the data, like very thoroughly, right? That's an amenity that's really clean and easy to be able to see the difference because the homes are made fairly similar there, and then some homes will just be like, there's, they're just in the middle of a bush, which is awesome. [00:18:10] John Bianchi: But somehow the views, which is $50,000 better, right? Now, when it comes to like a hot tub, that's where it gets a little bit more difficult. . It's a little bit more of a guessing game, right? So the kind of the way that I think about this is, you know, in the long run of things, by adding in those hot tubs and adding in a game room and a pool table, all that's doing is sort of securing your bet, right? You're securing your bet in the sense that like I'm going to be better than these people. I'm giving more, I'm offering more. And so I should be able to get more. It is difficult to put an exact dollar number on the smaller stuff.  [00:18:44] Sam Wilson: Well, and I think that amenities like that, I like that. I like what you put, there's called it securing your bet. I also think about amenities as being regional. Like if I'm going to Breckenridge, Colorado and it's, then it's January. I absolutely, I'm not looking at listings without a hot tub. If I'm going to Destin, Florida and it's July, I don't give a rip about the hot tub, but the last thing I want is a hot tub. So it's like, you know, it is regional as well. [00:19:08] Sam Wilson: So I'm sure there's a bit of, a bit of art in figuring that out. But I think, I think the really big thing you gave us here was that one, you know, you got your course on YouTube where we, where we can make meaningful inferences from the trends we're finding in the data. So I think that's, that's really cool and something, I'm probably going to go watch as well. [00:19:24] Sam Wilson: 'Cause I think, I think it's just very fascinating. So thank you for putting that together for us. And also just the idea of making those, those amenities where it's, like, you will rise to the top, even if it's maybe, you know, getting the same, the same return or the same, same rent as everybody else, at least it puts you at the front of the pack. So those are very, very interesting things. John, this has been awesome. I can't believe our time is up here. We've covered so much. We've talked about everything from using data in a meaningful way. We've talked about the trends that we're seeing in the markets. We've talked about softening of the markets, how we're seeing some unique opportunities in some tertiary markets we've probably never even heard of. What did you call it, Bryson City?  [00:20:00] John Bianchi: Yeah, Bryson City. I was looking at it yesterday. Pretty sure it's Bryson City. [00:20:03] Sam Wilson: .Yeah. Right. Never heard of it so that, you know, that's, there's stuff like that, that I just think will be really fascinating to watch. You know, as here, as we potentially may go into a recession and then, you know, as international travel expands, like how does this market evolve, but certainly appreciate you staying in front of it and sharing with us your insight here today. If our listeners want to get in touch with you or learn more about you, what is the best way to do that?  [00:20:26] John Bianchi: Best way is to email me. So hello@pointanalytics.co. You can email me at that email and I like to talk to everybody and kind of give them a free consulting call to help them understand, you know, exactly what they should be looking for. So if you do email me, we can hop on a, you know, 15-minute call. We'll go through your situation and try and figure out exactly if my consulting business can be of use to what you're trying to do, otherwise it's just going to give you free advice. So, yeah. So hello@pointanalytics.co.  [00:20:57] Sam Wilson: Awesome. John, thank you again for coming on today. It was a blast. Certainly appreciate it.  [00:21:01] John Bianchi: Yeah. Thanks for having me on. 

Joshua 5.9-12, Psalm 32, 2 Corinthians 5.16-21, Luke 15.1-3, 11b-32; How can we pray by listening? What does it means to be an ambassador for Christ? Is grace actually amazing? These questions and more on this episode of Strangely Warmed with guest Wayne Dickert. Wayner is the pastor of the River of Life and Bryson City UMC in Bryson City, NC.Hosted by Taylor Mertins.-Don't forget to head over to https://www.crackersandgrapejuice.comClick on “Support the Show.”Become a patronSubscribe to CGJ+For peanuts, you can help us out….we appreciate it more than you can imagine.Follow us on the three-majors of social media:https://www.facebook.com/crackersnjuicehttps://www.instagram.com/crackersandgrapejuicehttp://www.twitter.com/crackersnjuice

Isaiah 55.1-9, Psalm 63.1-8, 1 Corinthians 10.1-13, Luke 13.1-9; Why are there so many references to water in scripture? Is there such a thing as a good church meeting? What does the ministry of restoration look like? These questions and more on this episode of Strangely Warmed with guest Wayne Dickert. Wayner is the pastor of the River of Life and Bryson City UMC in Bryson City, NC.Hosted by Taylor Mertins.-Don't forget to head over to https://www.crackersandgrapejuice.comClick on “Support the Show.”Become a patronSubscribe to CGJ+For peanuts, you can help us out….we appreciate it more than you can imagine.Follow us on the three-majors of social media:https://www.facebook.com/crackersnjuicehttps://www.instagram.com/crackersandgrapejuicehttp://www.twitter.com/crackersnjuice

Will heaven be boring? Mark Twain and Richard Dawkins both said something to effect, and that critique deserves a response. Check out my answer here:  YouTube - https://youtu.be/ZtX6vPSHU6Y Next week I will be preaching at the Francis Asbury Societies Hemlock Retreat in Bryson City, NC.  The Francis Asbury Society is hosting two separate sessions where I will be speaking on the book of Jude. You can learn more  at https://francisasburysociety.com/hemlock-inn-retreats/ My first sponsor, WPO Development, has been a great encouragement to me. Keith Waters and his team do an amazing job leading non-profits and churches through capital campaigns, strategic plans, and mission planning studies. You can find out more about them at info@wpodevelopment.com  Also, Wesley Biblical Seminary sponsors this podcast. Though we just started our semester, we could still slide you into classes if you reach out to us in the next week. Find out about FREE SEMINARY at www.wbs.edu.     

In this episode of Startup Hustle, Matt DeCoursey and Erik Perkins, President of Perkins Enterprises talk about homebuilder entrepreneurship. Find Startup Hustle Everywhere: https://linktr.ee/startuphustle This episode is sponsored by Lending Standard: https://www.lendingstandard.com/ Learn more about Perkins Enterprises: https://perkinscustomhomes.com/ Learn more about Full Scale: https://fullscale.io/   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Join us for a conversation with Erik and Jamie Perkins of Perkins Enterprises out of Bryson City, NC. The Perkins brothers shared with us their unique path of getting into the construction industry. They worked under their Dad who taught them how to design and build custom homes. They also shared great advice for any young person looking to get into the construction industry. Lean in as we have a great time getting to know Erik and Jamie Perkins. Perkins Brothers YouTube Channel: https://bit.ly/37Yu5d5 Check out our YouTube Channel: https://youtu.be/zO0T45txdoU Follow us on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/laying-foundations

Matt Huett considers himself a learner, an asker of questions and a provoker of all things unaware. His quest for the holiness of wholeness has seen him venture far from his rural roots in Alabama to the hall of academia in central Florida, the glocal neighborhoods of New York City and now the healing mountains of Western North Carolina. Matt has pastored, professored, poured, performed and pedaled pedagogy in all types of environments and to all manners of people. Traveling from simplicity to complexity and then to perplexity before landing on harmony, his goal is to taste the oneness of it all and to share that taste with any and all that he meets. He digs all things art, sports and books, is a master at tsundoku, and loves to chat about existentialism, emergence, theopoetics and transhumanism over copious cups of coffee. Currently Matt is the families Pastor at The Grove Church in Bryson City and teaches Science at Swain County High School. He's finishing a doctorate in spirituality this year from Portland Theological Seminary ad hopes to begin a Masters degree in STEM at Western Carolina University. He lives with his wife and best friend, the outstanding and outlandish, Nicole along with 3 geriatric dogs and a newly acquired kitten. This was a deeply profound and captivating conversation with one of my closest mentors and friends. This man has helped me experience Gods grace like never before. Katelynn and I hope you enjoy our conversation with one of our favorite people in the world, the amazing Matt Huett. 

Dr C revisits the idea of a genetic "bottleneck" and explains why the 'out of Africa' bottleneck would have been a disaster for our species. Location: Silvermine Commercial Take-out #3, Nantahala National Forest, Bryson City, North Carolina Links: Why you shouldn't marry your cousin The genetic effects of the population bottleneck associated with the Genesis Flood The Non-Mythical Adam and Eve! The Waiting Time Problem Most new mutations are quickly lost Intro Music by Xihcsr Intro Graphics by MattWalkerVideo