NeuroDiverse Christian Couples

Have a Do Nothing Day Topic:The guys dive into the complex challenge of mental rest and the idea of having a “do nothing” day. What does it mean to truly rest, especially for neurodiverse men whose minds rarely stop racing? Main Themes & Takeaways:• Rest vs. Productivity:Many participants admit that even when given free time, they struggle to stop doing. Rest often becomes just another task to accomplish.• Making Rest Intentional:Some found that designating rest as a “task” (e.g., the duty of Sabbath or the ministry of presence) helps them engage more fully in non-productive activities without guilt.• Manual Tasks as Restful:Simple, repetitive manual labor (such as weeding, doing dishes, or cutting grass) often provides enough stimulation to keep the body occupied and allow the mind to slow down.• Rest Styles Are Individual:The conversation affirmed that rest is highly personal—some find rest in watching sports or shows, while others find it through reading or physical exercise. What's restful to one (e.g., pulling weeds) can feel like torture to another.• Mental Stillness Is Harder Than Physical Stillness:Most of the men agreed that while they can stop moving, stopping their minds from constantly thinking or solving problems is a much harder task.• Neurodiversity and Rest:The group highlighted how neurodivergent wiring affects the experience of rest. ADHD traits, pathological demand avoidance, and autism spectrum traits influence how they pursue or avoid downtime.• The Role of Family Systems:The guys acknowledged the need to consider how one's version of rest fits into the broader family context. Rest shouldn't disrupt the connection with spouses or children.• Sabbath Framed as Task and Discipline:Rest, especially in a spiritual context, is seen not as laziness but as obedience, modeled after God's rest on the seventh day. It may take discipline to actually stop. Humor & Insight:From references to Phineas and Ferb's “Do Nothing Day” to humorous yet poignant nods to North Korean labor camps (as a metaphor for tasks they dislike), the episode strikes a balance between depth and levity. Closing Reflection:True rest might not be inactivity—it might be freedom from expectations. For these men, a restful day often still includes accomplishments, but they come without pressure or obligation.

Today, Dr. Stephanie & Barb discuss the differences in reasons for divorce between men and women when they divorce. Dr. Stephanie interviews Barb about her two divorces in neurodiverse marriages.Other discussion points:Why is divorce so stigmatized in the Church?Are there differences in the reasons men and women divorce, based on a Stanford University study on divorce?Is abuse a biblical reason for divorce?Does Malachi 2:16 say God hates divorce or the impact of it?How do we love those who have gone through divorce?Can people who are divorced help marriages?What is a life-saving divorce?Does God overpower your will and change your heart?What makes a healthy God-honoring covenant?"Divorce is not an option" has been weaponized- how?

In our book, Uniquely Us, Stephanie uses the phrase: 'It was a tale of two marriages.' Dan's was going okay, and Stephanie's was not. We discuss the transition from our NC marriage to our GA marriage, from parallel lives and experiences to building a shared life of experiences.Our uniquely us may look different from your uniquely u and that is okay! We talk about conflict resolution, and Stephanie completes the 50 states quest. Watch the YouTube when it comes out to see pictures of the amazing hotel in Hood River, OR.Find the hotel here at: https://www.thistledownonoak.com/

Have you been taught that all emotions except joy are bad? That you need to "count it all joy" in such a way that in your church or religious circles emotions were taught as bad or good, Christians don't have big emotions like sadness, anger, or fear? Today is not a discussion like that!. Dr. Stephanie & Dan talk with Chris & Jen Coursey about REAL joy, and that joy is not a choice, and that joy does not mean denying or diminishing other emotions. Join our discussion today to learn:Joy vs. HappinessManaging and Processing the Big 6 EmotionsRemaining Relational and your Christ-centered self when you have big emotions! Many ND Christian relationships are high conflict, full of trauma, and low or no joy! Is it even possible?Dan and Stephanie discuss Courseys' book, 30 Days of Joy, and how they modified it to be a NeuroDiverse Christian Couple. This month, the 5-6 podcasts all go together! We encourage you and invite you to listen to the entire month of June in the sequence they were produced. Want to know more about the Courseys and THRIVEworks? https://thrivetoday.org/ START NOW when the kids are young to process their emotions in a healthy way! Materials available for parents! Free Download of the Emotion Wheel and Where Emotions Live in your body: Free PDFhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1BvYRLx9zRiVE_8ucjgYfNYzbOq8BUTQ9/view More About Chris:For nearly 25 years, Chris has been developing and practicing brain-based solutions to make relationships work. He started out his career specializing in severe trauma and abuse. For several years, he also pastored a small congregation in Michigan. Chris is a published author with ten books in print, including “The Joy Switch: How Your Brain's Secret Circuit Affects Your Relationships…And How You Can Activate It.” He co-authored his most recent book, “The 4 Habits of Raising Joy-Filled Kids”. Chris enjoys spending time with Jen and their two sons, Matthew and Andrew. In addition to studying, writing, jogging, and exercising, he enjoys the outdoors and is one of the rare people who actually like the snow. More About Jen:Jen is passionate about seeing mothers, fathers, and families equipped with the 19 relational skills needed to thrive. As the mother of 2 active teenagers, Jen is grateful to have learned these important skills later in life, as relational skills have no doubt preserved her sanity and prepared her to raise a thriving family in the midst of the ongoing demands from her family and her ministry. Jen started the Thriving Mamas blog and is excited to share her parenting and life experiences as well as pass on the skills God has used to transform her life.

In this insightful episode of Neurodiverse Christian Couples, hosts Stephanie and Dan welcome Ed Khouri, President of Equipping Hearts for the Harvest and author of "Becoming a Face of Grace." Together, they explore the crucial interplay between grace and joy, clarifying how genuine grace—being seen as special and favored without earning it—naturally leads to joy, the gladness of being together. Can you have grace AND have boundaries? What about the phrase, "Just give me grace." The conversation tackles deep relational issues common in neurodiverse marriages, such as navigating attachment pain, understanding the differences between sin, transgression, and iniquity, and developing effective boundaries without enabling harmful behavior. Ed emphasizes practical strategies for couples to build emotional capacity and relational resilience, including shared quieting exercises and storytelling techniques aimed at fostering mutual joy and appreciation. Listeners will find hope and practical guidance for overcoming challenges related to executive functioning, emotional regulation, and relational misunderstandings. Ed Khouri's insights underscore how grace, boundaries, and joy work together to nurture a healthier, thriving neurodiverse marriage. About our Guest: Ed KhouriEd is passionate about helping churches, leaders, and small groups develop thriving, healthycommunities rooted in grace, joy, and peace. He was ordained in 1988 and president ofEquipping Hearts for the Harvest. He serves as an Elder at his church.Ed leads workshops in churches and ministries worldwide, equipping workers to serve hurtingmen and women and their communities. He regularly collaborates with groups that includeThrive Today, Life Model Works, The International Substance Abuse and Addiction Coalition(ISAAC), and Youth With A Mission's Addictive Behavior Counseling School. He's taught classesfor students from approximately 70 nations,Ed authored “Becoming a Face of Grace: Navigating Lasting Relationships with God andOthers,” “Beyond Becoming: A Field Guide to Sustainable, Transformational Communities,” and“The Weight of Leadership: How Codependency and Misplaced Mercy Undermine Life andMinistry.” Working with Dr. Jim Wilder, he co-authored the “Restarting” and “Belonging”Modules of the Connexus Program. He is also the co-author of “Joy Starts Here: TheTransformation Zone.”He lives with the love of his life, Maritza, in Conover, North Carolina. Equipping HeartsEd and his wife, Maritza, founded Equipping Hearts for the Harvest as a 501c3 non-profitministry. In 2004. Our goal is to help equip churches, ministries, pastors, leaders, workers,and volunteers worldwide so that they can effectively serve the needs of their entirecommunity – including those who wrestle with addictions, trauma, abuse, codependency,and other life problems. We Teach to describe the grace-based framework needed for change, Provide skill training that leads to transformation Create materials that allow communities to practice and grow skills that sustaintransformation. For more information: https://www.equippinghearts.com/

Many couples who receive a later in life identification of autism or neurodiversity in marriage come to couples' work traumatized. In addition, we may come to marriage with our own unresolved trauma from life! How does unresolved or unprocessed trauma impact your neurodiverse marriage? We will be discussing that today with Dr. Karl Lehman.About our Guest:Dr. Karl Lehman is a board-certified psychiatrist with twenty-five years and more than 40,000 hours of clinical experience. He has worked tenaciously throughout his career to integrate his personal Christian faith with medical science, modern mental health care, and his rigorous scientific training. He has researched and worked especially to integrate faith-based emotional healing with insights provided by psychological and neurological research. Dr. Lehman is also deeply committed to his own growth and healing.Dr. Lehman has been married for over 20 years to Charlotte, and he and Charlotte work as a team to apply everything they learn about growth and healing in the context of their marriage.Author of Outsmarting Yourself and The Immanuel Approach.

 How to work with Jana: https://www.janamsmith.com/

This month is focused on neuroscience and your neurodiverse marriage! This entire month, we have elements brought in from LifeModel Works, Deeper Walk Ministries & Thrive Trainings, and those who are ministry partner friends! Today is Amy H. Glazer.Our topic begins with Fear Bonds, and we took some questions that you, the listeners, had on this that include:How to reduce the intensity of fear bonds when in a relationship that has ongoing trauma or reminders of the fear bonds?   How do you process an emotion without amplifying it? When I hear "return to joy," it feels like "don't feel your feelings - just be happy", and I know that is not what you are saying, but what do I do with my feelings?  How do we identify fear bonds in our close relationships, which we are accustomed to that pattern?  Authenticity and connection- can you achieve that with someone you have had a fear bond with? Can a fear-bonded person really turn to a joy or love bond? That seems impossible after so many decades. About Amy from the Thrive Works Website:Amy is the Director of Development and Journey Groups Director for Alive & Well, author of the Journey Group curriculum, and Director of the Journey Group Leadership Community. She leads weekend and 5-day events for THRIVEtoday and has taught in the Advanced Counseling Ministry training at YWAM Kona, as well as the OneLife program at Southern Wesleyan University. With Alive & Well, Amy directs the Journey Group program and mentors students training as Immanuel Encounter Guides with Alive & Well's training program. Amy is a specialist in small group dynamics and creating online communities. Journey Groups is a relational discipleship small group program that guides members in practicing the relational skills taught at Thrive and develops the topics of belonging, maturity, heart values, true identity, God's perspective, Immanuel living, and healing, as found in the books Living from the Heart Jesus Gave You, Transforming Fellowship, Joyful Journey, and Relational Skills in the Bible, which Amy co-authored with Chris Coursey. Group's Amy Mentioned Found Here:https://www.alivewell.org/transformed-by-joy

Discussion:Join Dr. Stephanie and Meredith Sinclair of Life Behavior Consulting to discuss how communication skills are key to relational skills and meaningful connections. Today, we discuss how to assess social interest, discern if someone is genuine or manipulative, cyber safety skills, and find sources of friendships. About the Guest:Speaker Biography: Meredith Sinclair is the Executive Director/Founder of LIFE BehaviorConsulting, LLC. Meredith holds a Master's Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from Georgia StateUniversity and a Bachelor's Degree in Psychology from Pennsylvania State University. She is acertified Rehabilitation Counselor and a Certified PEERS for Young Adults Provider, School-Based Provider, and Telehealth provider. Meredith loves working with people with Neurodiverse brain styles to help them learn the skills to build their confidence and independence in working on their goals in life, whatever those may be. Meredith's specialty is helping her clients uncover and leverage their strengths and take action steps to apply the skills they are learning in the real world. She is an advocate for Neurodiversity in the workplace and believes that anyone who has the desire to work CAN work and have a fulfilling career with the right supports.Find out more at:https://lifebehaviorconsulting.com/ 

Discussion: Dr. Stephanie Holmes and Dr. Sean Hirt discuss their clinical training and how neither was trained in neurodiversity despite the update in thinking about the Autism Spectrum (DSM-IV Asperger's). Dr. Holmes and Dr. Hirt discuss that applying neurotypical marriage models to Neurodiverse couples is not only not helpful but potentially harmful. Dr. Hirt discusses the role of the central nervous system and its impact on regulation and how typical marriage work may disrupt both partners. Have you heard from your pastor or Christian counselor- Marriage is Marriage, or Marriage is supposed to be hard. Or you tell your counselor you are a neurodiverse couple, or you attend an intensive, and they tell you that your neurodiversity doesn't matter- their model will work if you have enough faith?Let's Discuss That! About Our Guest: Dr. Hirt has an array of clinical experience in a variety of settings, including private practice, residential treatment centers, non-public schools, and emergency shelters. He is particularly sought out for his expertise in treating and addressing anxiety, depression, poor self-esteem, behavioral issues, and autism spectrum disorder in children and adolescents. Other areas of focus include substance abuse, life-transition issues & trauma-related disorders.In therapy, Dr. Hirt uses empirically driven modalities to address the client's needs. He derives techniques from client-centered, cognitive-behavioral theory, attachment theory, as well as family systems. Dr. Hirt works closely with all clients to develop an integrative, yet client-centered approach to treatment. More specifically, Dr. Hirt works with individuals to assist in developing the abilities and resources needed to reach goals, overcome hardships, and improve life satisfaction. When not working, you will often find him at parks and trails with family and friends. Dr. Hirt enjoys hiking, biking, running, and rock climbing! He also enjoys watching sports and traveling. However, his favorite pastime of all is spending time with his wife, daughters, and dog (Frank).Looking for Assessment: https://www.hirtpsychology.com/sean-hirt

Welcome back to Just the Guys, where a handful of neurodiverse men get real about growth, relationships, and life post-diagnosis — all without a script, but with a ton of heart.In this reflective and candid episode, the guys dive into the evolution of their emotional intelligence and how their journeys have led to stronger relationships, especially with their partners and kids. The catalyst? A missed celebrity interview and a realization: if flying fish exist, maybe change and empathy aren't so impossible after all.We follow Jeremy, Greg, and Dan as they discuss what transformation looks like in real life. Jeremy opens up about becoming a more proactive and thoughtful parent and husband, learning to share the mental load and prioritize emotional presence. Greg brings in stories from marriage and retirement, revealing how putting “relationship before task” has become his new mantra. Dan brings it full circle with powerful insights on values, intentionality, and what love looks like, choosing family over hockey — literally.Throughout the conversation, themes of vulnerability, emotional attunement, and the gradual embrace of empathy surface repeatedly. They compare personal growth to planting seeds — change doesn't happen overnight, but with daily intention and care, real transformation takes root.Key takeaways:• Empathy isn't just possible for neurodiverse men — it's learnable and life-changing.• Change starts with being open to a different version of yourself.• Small, intentional choices create the foundation for a lasting connection.• Relationships thrive not when we're perfect, but when we show up — emotionally and consistently.This episode is equal parts heart, humor, and hope. So, whether you're neurodivergent yourself or walking alongside someone who is, you'll leave with a little more faith that growth is not only possible — it's inevitable, if you're willing to show up and keep planting seeds.

Today, we discuss the newly released book aimed at NeuroDiverse Christian Couples and Coaches! Dr. Stephanie & Barbara discuss Uniquely US: Gracefully Navigating the Maze of NeuroDiverse Marriage. We will talk about the research that went into the book and how clergy, chaplains, coaches, counselors, and clinicians can use this book along with a workbook and videos for ND Christian Couples!Where can you order the book?https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyus Download the Free Workbook:https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/_files/ugd/410eee_5c2856b40d0a4a1bb65a69c38f384161.pdf Find the Free Videos:https://www.holmesasr.com/copy-of-uniquely-us Dan or Stephanie is having classes forming for the fall and spring semesters. Dr. Stephanie usually has a summer course for wives. Find out about group coaching/classes at:https://www.holmesasr.com/womengroupshttps://www.holmesasr.com/mengroups Want to work with Barbara Grant?https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/copy-of-referrals

What does it mean to be naked and unashamed? Did your mind first go to sex? That is part of it in a literal sense, but being 'naked and ashamed' also means being vulnerable with each other and not afraid. By the time couples find out about their neurodiversity, there are toxic patterns, and friendship is lost because everyone is focused on their own needs and what is missing. I often wonder if couples even like each other anymore or just on the this religious quest for the marriage some pastor or book promised missing the point- at one point Adam & Eve were naked and unashamed- connected to God, their true identity and each other in a vulnerable way before the fall/sin. We believe a couple's quest is to achieve as much as they can in a fallen world, being "naked and unashamed," and to be unafraid in their marriage relationship, moving from a scarcity mindset or fixed mindset to a growth and attachment mindset.

 Continuing our Autism Acceptance Month, today Dr. Stephanie interviews Dani Bowman from Love on the Spectrum. We will talk about her involvement with the show and how she built her company, DaniMation.Guest: Dani Bowman,BFA, MBAPresident, DaniMation EntertainmentDani Bowman, who is on the autism spectrum, founded her company, DaniMation Entertainment, in 2009. Over the years, she has spearheaded summer animation camps and conducted personalized online 1:1 sessions, diligently educating, elevating, and empowering her students on the autism spectrum. With her guidance, she has successfully helped more than 2,500 students explore the transformation of their passions into viable careers. In her educational journey, Dani obtained a BFA in Animation in 2018 and further pursued her ambitions with an MBA in Global Strategy and Leadership in 2020. Beyond her academic achievements, she also became a valued cast member on the Netflix series "Love on the Spectrum." Dani's remarkable story showcases how dedication, talent, and resilience can lead to fulfilling accomplishments regardless of individual challenges. Embracing Neurodiversity and Creativity: Dani Bowman's Journey from Animation Aficionado to Social EntrepreneurIn her keynote speech at the Converge Autism Summit, Dani Bowman, an animator, educator, and entrepreneur, takes us on a remarkable journey that began at age three and led her to become the CEO of DaniMation. From her beginnings as a passionate animator at the age of 14 to her present role as an industry leader in diversity-led employment, Dani shares her experiences, challenges, and triumphs and reflects on her responsibility as a leader to inspire and mentor others on the autism spectrum. She sheds light on the company's commitment to social impact, emphasizing the positive influence that creative expression can have on the lives of neurodiverse individuals, regardless of how they have been affected by their condition.

For Autism Acceptance and Action Month, we are focusing on the autistic experience. Today, our guests are Kim Clairy, OTR/L, and her husband, William. Kim will be a speaker at the 2025 Converge Autism Summit. Today, Dr. Stephanie talks with Kim about autism and sensory issues and how an occupational therapist can help.About our Guest:Kim Clairy OTR/L is a Brenau University graduate with a BS/MS in occupational therapy. Kim has been invited to share her expertise on autism with over 100 organizations in 7 countries. She is a frequent contributor to autism-related projects and podcasts and has contributed to numerous publications on autism. Additionally, Kim is a private consultant and self-advocate who broke through barriers as she defied a healthcare system that said, “Your autism is severe; you need to live in a nursing home.” Her difficult experiences forged a passion for educating others on autism. Through hands-on learning, Kim uses personal experiences and professional expertise to educate on many facets of autism across the lifespan.Want Kim to come speak at your event?https://www.kimclairy.com/

In this episode of 'Just the Guys,' Jeremy and Dan pivot from their original plan due to an unexpected airline mishap, turning the moment into a meaningful exploration of their personal and professional insights on coaching from an autistic perspective. They delve into what makes effective coaching, highlighting the importance of adaptability, openness to change, and focusing on potential rather than limitations. The conversation emphasizes the courage required to question long-held beliefs and behaviors, and the necessity of cultivating self-awareness and emotional growth. Rich with relatable analogies from sports and personal experiences, Jeremy and Dan discuss overcoming resistance to change, the power of vulnerability, and the critical distinction between being open to new skills versus changing one's core identity. Whether you're seeking personal growth, better relationships, or practical strategies for life's complexities, this candid discussion offers valuable wisdom for those navigating neurodiverse relationships and personal development.

It is Autism Acceptance and Action Month, and we have Dave Glick as our guest neurodivergent coach and clinician.Today, Dr. Stephanie and Barbara ask David a few questions about behaviors.We ask:Can you differentiate freeze and fawning?What are your thoughts on pervasive demand avoidance?What behaviors can actually change?Can those on the spectrum learn regulation and relational skills? About our Guest & Colleague:Dave writes on his website: https://triadpsych.org/therapists/david-glick/My specialties are quite extensive and diverse, as I have two degrees, one in Education and the other in Social Work. I was originally trained in behaviorism and usually merge behavior therapies with personality trait theories. This approach, while demanding, usually produces very positive results for my clients. My practice is a safe place where people can share and be open. Once trust is established, it becomes a virtual Swiss army knife, in that the therapy is adaptable and useful regardless of the situation. Essentially, I want my clients to be empowered with a new sense of self and confident in their abilities.

Join Dr. Stephanie and Tiffany in an interactive discussion that will help you delve deeper into understanding your rights as a parent with a school-age child with disabilities. You will have a solid understanding of the variety of support plans, how to navigate the school teams, and how to ensure your child gets everything they need to succeed in school!About our Guest:Tiffany Yandle is a non-attorney Special Education Advocate and President of In Bloom Advocacy. She has a 15+ year history of teaching Special Education and school administration in North Carolina public schools. She is passionate about reaching an equitable, personalized education for all students. She specializes in Special Education Laws and regulations, Multi-Tiered Systems of Support, Community Engagement in schools, and Autism Spectrum Disorders.

We all want a marriage that feels like home. We long for a partner who is there for us through all of life's challenges and griefs, who is in on all our inside jokes, who delights in the family we've built together, who looks with hope toward the future with a shared faith and an arm firmly around our shoulders. But how do we get there? What actually works in the real world and honors the picture of marriage found in Scripture?Based on the findings of their meticulous research, Sheila Wray Gregoire and Dr. Keith Gregoire dispel the pervasive myths about what makes a happy marriage. Rather than relying on gender stereotypes, they look at what actually creates intimacy, emotional health, and connection, asking deeper questions that lead to real healing and growth in your relationship with your spouse.With enlightening stories, survey results, and practical tools, this book will help readers create a marriage they love. And with the evidence-based, Scripture-honoring advice in this book, that just may be closer than you imagine. Today, Dr. Stephanie talks with Sheila & Keith about the new book The Marriage You Want, and Dr. Stephanie adds in some of the neurodiverse lens.Dr. Stephanie asks Sheila & Dr. Keith:What did you find about the marriage triangle (God at the top and husband and wife on the bottom) and how that triangle can get skewed?You open a chapter with the controversial statement, "You should not prioritize sex in marriage." Talk a bit more about that as authors of books on healthy sexual marital relationships.What is the unfairness threshold?How does a couple grow intimacy?Do Christian books empower men or make them seem fragile and needy?Dr. Stephanie will do a course based on the new book this summer! Join now!https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/contact-usAbout our Guests:Sheila Wray Gregoire is the face behind BareMarriage.com as well as a sought-after speaker and an award-winning author of 9 books, including the Great Sex Rescue and She Deserves Better. Sheila is passionate about changing the evangelical conversation about sex and marriage to make it healthy, evidence-based, and biblical.Dr. Keith Gregoire is a physician and coauthor with Sheila on The Good Guy's Guide to Great Sex, a companion to Sheila's award-winning The Good Girl's Guide to Great Sex.The couple lives in Ontario, Canada.Find out more at: https://baremarriage.com/

Today, Dr. Stephanie is joined by Dan to talk with Dr. Naseef about the impact of passive or engaged fathers on children, especially their autistic children. Dr. Naseef discusses the psyche of a man and how to engage fathers for a positive impact on their marriage, family system, and the autistic child.About our Guest:Robert Naseef, Ph.D., has a distinct voice as a psychologist and father of an autistic adult son. He has spoken nationwide and trained professionals internationally in treating autism and other developmental disorders and supporting families. He has a special interest in the psychology of men and fatherhood.Along with Stephen Shore, Ed.D., Dr. Naseef served as a lead consultant to the Arc of Philadelphia and SAP's “Autism at Work” program, which involved collaboration with the Pennsylvania Department of Education and the Bureau of Vocational Rehabilitation to develop the curriculum, “Preparing Neurodiverse Youth for the Workplace.”Dr. Naseef's 2013 book, Autism in the Family: Caring and Coping Together (Brookes Publishing), integrates advances in research and treatment with clinical experience to help families navigate the emotional landscape and the practical roadmap through the lifespan. Special Children, Challenged Parents: The Struggles and Rewards of Parenting a Child with a Disability (1996), his first book, received international recognition. He has appeared on radio and television. He is the co-editor with Cindy N. Ariel of Voices from the Spectrum: Parents, Grandparents, Siblings, People with Autism, and Professionals Share Their Wisdom (2006).In 2008, Robert Naseef was honored by Variety, the Children's Charity, for his outstanding contributions to the autism community. On World Autism Awareness Day, April 2, 2017, Dr. Naseef gave a TEDx talk entitled “How autism teaches us about being human,” which you can see on YouTube. Dr. Naseef is also a member of the Panel of Professional Advisors of the Autism Society of America. He also serves on the Leadership Council of the AJ Drexel Autism Institute.

Join Dr. Stephanie and Dr. Saulnier as they discuss her presentation on broadening the autism spectrum at the Converge Autism Summit. They will discuss:The key features of autismHow Autism symptoms are expressed differently in male and femaleThe role of racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic disparities in misdiagnosis of autismCommon overlaps and differential diagnosisWhat if someone being assessed doesn't want to be on the spectrum? What do clinicians need to know?Bio:Dr. Saulnier obtained her doctorate in Clinical Psychology from the University of Connecticut. She trained and worked at the Yale Child Study Center's Autism Program for nearly a decade before relocating to Emory University School of Medicine and the Marcus Autism Center in Atlanta, GA, where she directed a large-scale clinical research program. In 2018, she opened her own company, Neurodevelopmental Assessment & Consulting Services, where she specializes in diagnostic assessment, as well as teaching and training for autism spectrum and related disorders. Dr. Saulnier has published over 50 articles, written two books, and she is an author on the Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales, Third Edition.Looking for Assessment in GA? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/neurodevelopmental-assessment-consulting-svc-decatur-ga/409874

In this lively conversation, the “Just the Guys” team explores how crucial context can be—whether you're deciphering a strange image, navigating a complex relationship, or fielding unexpected life events. They kick things off by sharing news of the new book *Uniquely Us* and then dive into fascinating parallels between fooling AI systems with “adversarial examples” and how our assumptions can mislead us in everyday life. By using an analogy of seeing a “penguin in the desert” (something bizarre or out of place), they illustrate how missing details can trigger confusion, misunderstandings, or emotional reactions.Throughout the discussion, they highlight the importance of curiosity and humility to uncover the “why” behind surprising information—much like slowing down to determine if that shape in the dark is an intruder or just a coat on a chair. They also introduce practical techniques (like the C.A.L.M. method) to help us pause, gather context, and respond gracefully rather than reacting rashly. It's an honest, lighthearted look at how we can avoid “kicking the penguin” in our personal and professional relationships by learning to seek more information, accept when we've made mistakes, and ultimately prioritize connection over “being right.”Mentioned in This Episode:- Uniquely Us, a new release about neurodiverse Christian marriages- Adversarial examples in AI and what they reveal about our own blind spots- The C.A.L.M. method (Connect, Assess, Lean in, Move forward) for managing emotional triggers- Why “winning the relationship” matters more than winning any single argumentHave a topic you'd like the guys to unpack? Drop them a note via the show's website—feedback and questions are always welcome!

Today on Coaches' Corner, Dr. Stephanie & Barb Grant, MMFT, talks with Bob Hamp about abuse and recovering from abuse.What is Abuse? When does a relationship become abusive? How do you recover from that abuse from a victim mindset to a healing and recovery mindset?Today, we ask: What is abuse?Can both partners be abusive?How do you change your mindset from a victim of abuse to a survivor and healed from abuse?How does the church and Christian onlookers help or hinder?What are some interesting dynamics in ND Christian Couples?What are power differentials, and what does that have to do with abuse?Uniquely Us is out! Order it here! We discuss abuse in ND Christian Marriages chapters 12 & 13 with a focus on spiritual/religious abuse in marriage!https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyusThink Differently Academy: https://tdacad.com/About our guest:Bob Hamp is a seasoned counselor, author, and spiritual leader known for his unique approach to teaching freedom through a spiritual lens. With three decades in private practice and helping churches worldwide develop Freedom Ministry, Bob's work focuses on altering thought processes to achieve spiritual healing and wholeness. He speaks frequently and has mentored and coached hundreds of counselors, pastors, and leaders. His teachings emphasize sound theology, God's healing presence, and the transformative power of freedom (acting & reacting as the person God created you to be), making him a sought-after speaker and counselor who helps individuals and communities find true freedom and spiritual identity.The viral video mentioned in this podcast today: https://go.tdacad.com/course/understanding-the-dynamics-of-abuse?register=truehttps://go.tdacad.com/course/understanding-the-dynamics-of-abuse?register=truehttps://go.tdacad.com/course/understanding-the-dynamics-of-abuse?register=truehttps://go.tdacad.com/course/understanding-the-dynamics-of-abuse?register=true

Do you and your spouse have constant communication misfires? As the ND spouse, do you feel interrupted, falsely accused, and often confused about what you said or did that was hurtful to your spouse? As the non-autistic spouse, do you feel unheard, dismissed, that issues remain unsolved, and when the relationship has a rupture, there is no repair? These cycles leave couples frustrated, and by leaving issues unresolved, issues will leave a chasm of disconnection and unresolved issues. Dan & Stephanie role-play two common situations we hear from ND couples. They are not real situations from any couple but are based on the elements that tend to happen in arguments.Role Play 1: Why are you defending the person I said hurt me? Why can you give validation and empathy to others by not me?Role Play 2: Stuck in the weeds/details- a collaboration that is not very collaborative but gets stuck on details that are socially or relationally relevant to the topic.Check out the book Uniquely Us! It is out!https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyusRemember, Stephanie and Dan have two websites!www.HolmesASR.com andwww.christianneurodiversemarriage.com#uniquelyus #autismfaithmarriage #NDCC #neurodiversecouples

Today, Dr. Stephanie talks with Dr. Natalie about Autism, Burnout, Depression, and Suicidality.Dr. Natalie Engelbrecht is a clinician in Canada and was diagnosed later in life with both ASD and ADHD. Dr. Natalie will break down burnout, depression, suicidality, and the suicide gene.Did you know in bee hives there are NT and AS bees?Topics We Discussed:BurnoutSuicide GeneDepressionProtective FactorsLinks you may find helpful:Autistic Burnout Constructhttps://embrace-autism.com/autistic-burnout-construct/We spoke about spoons:https://neurodivergentinsights.com/blog/the-neurodivergent-spoon-drawer-spoon-theory-for-adhders-and-autistsAutism and bees:https://embrace-autism.com/honey-bees-understanding-autism-and-social-behaviour/The Complete Guide to Autismhttps://embrace-autism.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-autistic-burnout-book/

Part 2! Some of you had questions for Drs. Jeff and Mary so we had them back?Drs. Jeff and Mary are back to discuss therapeutic separation, addiction, autism, and healing! Some of you had questions, and some of you had criticism, and they are discussed today!Listen to part one here:https://www.spreaker.com/episode/autism-addiction-healing-with-therapeutic-separation-s-with-drs-jeff-mary-jones--62412733Find Dr. Mary at:Dr. Mary Jones believes there is greatness in each of us and is passionate about equipping and empowering women to reach their fullest potential.Throughout her life and career, she has had the privilege of working to empower and equip women and girls to be their best selves. Dr. Mary has also completed a study in autism as a specialty through PESI, becoming an Autism Spectrum Disorder Clinical Specialist. Her vision is to see women living out their purpose and affecting change in their worlds. She is an NT married to a neurodivergent spouse and the mother of a son on the autism spectrum.​​Contact her at: https://drmarycoaches.com/contact-meDr. Jones has been featured on our NeuroDiverse Christian Couples (NDCC) podcast. Listen to her episode HERE!

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Dan and Stephanie start their discussion with the book Building Bounce: How to Grow in Emotional Resilience by Warner & Hinman.For more resources on this, go to www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com Group Resources—Bounce. We have put together a video for every chapter of Bounce.The key elements of building resilience are knowing your weight, not breaking under that weight, and building capacity. You can do this through key practices: quitting, appreciation/joy, beliefs and expectations, and growing connection with God and people. Each chapter gives you a joy workout to start your journey toward individual resilience and reliance on God. Your marriage and life situation may not change, so how will you carry that weight without breaking or allowing the situation to transform you versus being transformed and renewed? Then Dan and Stephanie talk about their practices for quieting, joy, and connecting to God and how they connect through Coursey & Coursey's 30 Days of Joy for Busy Married Couples!

Join Dr. Stephanie as she discusses disability theology and disability ministry with Stephanie O. Hubach, author of Same Lake Different Boat.Questions Stephanie and Stephanie Discuss:What is Disability Ministry and Why Does it Matter?a. How would you define disability ministry?b. Why doesn't your definition of disability ministry even have the word disability in it?c. What is the role of disability ministry in the local church?d. If disability ministry is “central to the life of the church” what do you mean by that?e. How does the presence of people with disabilities in a church change the fabric of congregation life?f. What type of steps need to be taken to help a church that is not disability-friendly to move towards people with disabilities?g. You refer to the biblical concept of “equal concern” in your philosophy of disability ministry. What does that look like in practice?About our Guest:Stephanie Opdahl HubachBiographical InformationStephanie Hubach is a Research Fellow in Disability Ministries and a Visiting Instructor in Educational Ministries in affiliation with Covenant Theological Seminary. From 2007-2016 she served as Mission to North America's Special Needs Ministries Founding Director. Mission toNorth America (MNA) is associated with the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). Steph currently serves on the Wheaton Center on Faith and Disability advisory board and the board of directors for Key Ministry.She formerly volunteered as a member of the board for The Arc of Lancaster County, chairperson of the Lancaster County Mental Health/Mental Retardation Advisory Board, and president of the board of directors for the Infant Evaluation Program of State College, PA.Steph is the author of Parenting & Disabilities: Abiding in Gods' Presence (P&;R Publishing, 2021), Same Lake, Different Boat: Coming Alongside People Touched by Disability (P&;R Publishing, 2006; Revised and Expanded 2020), director of a Christian Education DVD seriesbased on Same Lake, Different Boat, and author of All Things Possible: Calling Your Church Leadership to Embrace Disability Ministry (Joni and Friends, August 2007).She has been published in ByFaith magazine, Covenant magazine, Focus on the Family magazine, and Breakpoint online magazine. Steph currently writes for Key Ministry's Special Needs Parenting blog, which is for parents of children with special needs, and for the Presbyterian Church in America's enCourage blog. She has been a guest blogger for The Gospel Coalition and the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and has been interviewed on a wide variety of podcasts.Steph also coordinated a writing team for Christianity Today to provide a Disability Ministry Track in The Ministry Essentials Bible, released in September 2014. Stephanie is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of McDaniel College (formerly Western Maryland College), has an MA in Economics from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, and an MATS from Covenant Theological Seminary.Steph and her husband, Fred, have been married for 41 years. They have two deeply loved sons, Fred and Tim, the younger of whom has Down syndrome. In 2013, the Hubachs were blessed with a wonderful daughter-in-law when Cecelia married Fred, and in 2019, they were thrilled to welcome their first grandchild, Caroline. In 2022, twin grandsons joined the family—Everett and Dietrich. The Hubach family resides in Lancaster County, PA.Stephanie's Book Same Lake Different Boat-Revised Ed. and other resources:https://www.stephaniehubach.com/Dr. Stephanie's Uniquely Us:https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyus

Today, Dr. Stephanie and Dan Holmes asked Dr. Natalie Engelbrecht about ASD, ADHD, and both.Dr. Natalie Engelbrecht is a clinician in Canada and was diagnosed later in life with both ASD and ADHD. Dr. Natalie will break down the similarities and differences between ASD, ADHD, and ADHD. She will also discuss the strengths of each neurotype—this is part 1 of our discussion.Some discussion points from Dr. Natalie:Co-occurring autism and ADHD can be experienced asHeightening of some autistic traitsNavigating contradictions of opposing traitsHere are some of the contradictions you may experience as an AuDHD:You thrive when there's a set routine (autistic trait), but you struggle to plan and follow a schedule (ADHD trait)You get very distressed when your friend shows up late to your meeting (autistic trait), but you struggle to arrive at events on time (ADHD trait)You find engaging in a special interest to be soothing (autistic trait), but you also need to jump between multiple interests to keep you engaged (ADHD trait)You are meticulous with your plans (autistic trait), but sometimes you overwhelm yourself by making an impulsive decision (ADHD trait)When you infodump, you have a habit of speaking “too fast” (ADHD trait), but when someone asks you an unrelated question, your responses may be delayed, or you may be unable to speak (autistic trait)Find out more on Dr. Natalie:Get the Autism Burnout book we mentioned at:https://embrace-autism-store.myshopify.com/

In this special episode of Just The Guys, host Dan Holmes is joined by renowned authors Dr. Jim Wilder and Marcus Warner for an insightful conversation on attachment, emotional maturity, and resilience within neurodiverse Christian relationships. Drawing from their extensive work and books like "Bounce," "Renovated," "Rare Leadership," and "The Other Half of Church," they explore how attachment goes beyond physical needs to deeply influence our relational and spiritual lives.The discussion delves into the challenges faced by individuals on the autism spectrum, particularly in building emotional resilience and managing energy levels in relationships. They offer practical strategies for incremental growth, overcoming fear, and breaking patterns of avoidance and addiction. Whether you're navigating a neurodiverse relationship or seeking a deeper understanding of emotional maturity from a Christian perspective, this episode provides valuable insights and guidance to foster healthier, more resilient connections.

What is Shame? What is health shame vs toxic shame? What if someone is unaware of their feelings, including shame? Can you heal from shame alone? These are the questions we will be asking Dr. Curt Thompson.Many of our neurodiverse relationships have shame- either about the diagnosis, about not having the perfect Christian marriage, or not meeting someone's needs- what do we do about that? How can clergy deal with their own shame of not knowing how to help neurodiverse couples?About our Guest:Psychiatrist, speaker, and author Curt Thompson connects our intrinsic desire to be known with the need to tell truer stories about ourselves — showing us how to form deep relationships, discover meaning, and live integrated, creative lives.--Curt Thompson, MD, is a board-certified psychiatrist, author, speaker, and co-host of The Being Known Podcast. He has been in private practice for over 30 years in Falls Church, Virginia, graduated from Wright State University's Boonshoft School of Medicine, and completed his psychiatric residency at Temple University Hospital. He strives to help patients develop flourishing lives by telling their stories more honestly to become more deeply known for creating beauty and goodness in the world. With conviction and humor, he trains clinicians and speaks at workshops, retreats, and conferences, integrating neuroscience, human relationships, and Christian faith. He and his wife, Phyllis, are the parents of two adult children and live in Northern Virginia.--Psychiatrist Curt Thompson, MD, brings together a dialect of interpersonal neurobiology (IPNB) and Christian anthropology to educate and encourage others as they seek to fulfill their intrinsic desire to feel known, valued, and connected. Curt understands that deep, authentic relationships are essential to experiencing a healthier, more purposeful life — but the only way to realize this isto begin telling our stories more truly.His unique insights about how the brain affects and processes relationships help people discover a fresh perspective and practical applications to foster healthy andvibrant lives, allowing them to get unstuck and move toward the next beautiful thing they're being called to make.WEBSITE, PODCAST, and SOCIAL MEDIA****Website www.CurtThompsonMD.comPodcast www.BeingKnownPodcast.comInstagram CurtThompsonMDFacebook CurtThompsonMD@CurtThompsonMD

We have guests with us. Carol and Greg Reller join us to discuss Chapter 7 of Uniquely Us on Social Communication and Challenges!You may recognize Greg's voice, who has been on several of our Just the Guys segments. Greg is 63 and retired after a 35-year career as a consulting geologist. Married to Carol. He was diagnosed around age 55 with what was then called Asperger's Syndrome. Carol and he have three children. Carol is in her fourth year of retirement after a 32-year career as a speech-language pathologist. Carol has written chapter 7.Today, Carol and Greg will discuss some of their most common communication misfires and tools and strategies that help!Pre-order the book today:https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyusNew classes are forming 2-3 spots remain!Reach out to Stephanie at rev.stephaniecholmes@gmail.com

Today, Dr. Stephanie is solo hosting with guest Sarah McDugal. Sarah is a coach who was later identified on the autism spectrum. Today, we discuss her divorce from a former minister's wife and the challenges of divorce when you are in ministry.We discuss types of abuse.I asked Sarah, does being autistic give anyone a pass in their behavior?Sarah also discusses the importance of staying or leaving well.A major point of our discussion is that everyone is responsible for their actions and emotions, regardless of their neurotype!Sarah's Bio:I'm Sarah McDugal, co-founder of Wilderness to WILD and the TraumaMAMAs mobile app.I'm an author, coach, survivor, and TraumaMAMA.As an autistic woman and survivor of both domestic violence and child sexual assault -- my hyper-focus is developing gentle, proven resources for women who want to heal after toxic and traumatic stress.I'm trained in:The Deceptive Sexual Trauma Model, andAPSATS (the Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists)I'm also a certified assessor for the Johns Hopkins Danger Assessment.Some of my books include:He Chose Porn Over Me: Women Harmed by Men Who Use PornMyths We Believe: Predators We TrustOne Face: Shed the Mask, Own Your Values, and Lead WiselyMy goal is to provide accessible, affordable, authentic tools to guide you out of the wilderness of abuse into the WILD, thriving post-trauma life that waits ahead.Sarah's Website and Sarah's Resourceswww.wildernesstowild.comthe SCOOP - Group Coaching Membershipwww.wildernesstowild.com/the-scoopRighteous or Rotten? How to know if it is biblically bad enough to divorcehttps://www.wildernesstowild.com/unholy-fruit-your-wild-guide-to-discerning-toxic-character

Giving the gift of relational JOY!Dan and I are continuing to build joy by working through Chris and Jen Coursey's 30 Days of Joy: For Busy Married Couples. Many couples get so obsessed with their needs and focus on "the marriage" that they wonder, "Do you even like this person anymore?" What do you like about your spouse?"Love is commanded by Scripture, but like is a choice.In Coursey's book, they said one exercise is to tell each other what you like about each other and whether your spouse calls you to your Christ-like identity. Today, we will talk about relational circuits (RCs) and when they are on and off. Can you tell the difference when they are on and off?You cannot build joy without your RCs on!

Just the Guys discussed their experiences with planning surprise events and trips, emphasizing the importance of considering the other person's interests and preferences.They also shared their experiences with travel planning, highlighting the challenges and stress involved and the need to be more mindful and attentive in daily life. The conversation concluded with the importance of expanding experiences beyond the US context and understanding the unique interests and needs of their children.

Dr. Stephanie and Meredith discuss social skills groups for adolescents and young adults 14 and older.Meredith Sinclair is the Executive Director/Founder of LIFE Behavior Consulting, LLC. Meredith holds a Master's Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from Georgia State University and a Bachelor's Degree in Psychology from Pennsylvania State University. She is a certified Rehabilitation Counselor and a Certified PEERS for Young Adults Provider, school-based Provider, and Telehealth provider. Meredith loves working with people with Neurodiverse brain styles to help them learn the skills to build their confidence and independence in working on their goals in life, whatever those may be. Meredith's specialty is helping her clients uncover and leverage their strengths and take action steps to apply the skills they learn in the real world. She is an advocate for Neurodiversity in the workplace and believes that anyone who has the desire to work CAN work and have a fulfilling career with the proper support.Find her at:https://lifebehaviorconsulting.com/

About our Guests:Kristin Faith Evans, MA, MS, LMSW, and Todd Evans, PhD, MA,are award-winning authors, speakers, and disability parents. Theyearned their MA in Christian educational ministries at Wheaton Collegein Illinois and have served together in full-time ministry in church,camping, and retreat settings. Todd received his PhD from VanderbiltUniversity's School of Engineering and currently manages his ownbusiness. Kristin earned her MSW from the University of Tennessee andis a Licensed Master Social Worker experienced in couples, child andfamily, substance abuse, and crisis counseling.About Their Book:In their upcoming book How to Build a Thriving Marriage as You Care for Children with Disabilities (Baker Books, May 2024), Kristin and Todd provide the field guide for success. With extreme practicality and empathy, they present research-based skills for fostering a thriving caregiving marriage.Caregiving parents require an additional set of skills for protecting their marriage amidst emotional, financial, and relational obstacles. Much like on a wilderness adventure, the steps of identifying where you are, setting goals, and planning your path together are vital to the success and enjoyment of the journey. Kristin and Todd apply this easy-to-follow framework in crucial areas such as stress management, communication, problem-solving, and respite to help couples thrive.Kristin and Todd are available for interviews to discuss topics such as:• Grieving the continual losses in a caregiving lifestyle• Prioritizing marital intimacy in an overwhelming schedule• Supporting each other's mental, physical, and emotional health• Fostering a life of joy despite “unhappy” circumstanceshttps://disabilityparenting.com/Dr. Holmes says you want to get the book!Get the book! Visit their site:https://toddandkristinevans.com/Get Connectedwww.DisabilityParenting.comInstagram@disabilityparentingFacebook/kristin.evans.5895X@AuthorKristinEv

Listeners, you asked! We listened!Many reached out and wanted to hear from an NT Husband and ND Wife!Today, we have Gary and Molly, who discuss not only neurodiversity in marriage but also the extra layer and complexity of being a couple in ministry and who would find out about their neurodiversity.What are the similarities and differences of being the "reverse," so to speak, type of NeuroDiverse Christian Couple?Gary, being in ministry and having counseled hundreds of couples, what did he say about pastoral training and the need for Christian counseling to have specific training in NeuroDiverse Couples?

We had 2 questions come in from listeners about chronic stress and autoimmune issues in the ND marriage and how to build resiliency and calm the central nervous system in high-stress environments.Today, Dan and Stephanie talked with Jana Smith, an expert in this area.About Jana:Bio: Jana Smith is a Certified Nervous System and Somatics Coach with a Master's Degree in Health Education. Jana's experience with neurodiversity began in her family of origin and included her diagnosis of ADHD as an adult. She also has firsthand experience navigating chronic illness. After 7 years of debilitating symptoms, Jana found relief by learning how to build resilience through nervous system regulation. She has made it her life's work to help others bounce back so they can thrive instead of just surviving.Talking points:1. Chronic illness is connected to stress, even if we don't feel stressed out. Low-level ongoingnervous system dysregulation leaves us vulnerable to developing symptoms and illnesses(physical and emotional).2. Define and explain the causes of nervous system dysregulation.Factors that affect our propensity to dysregulate:Our neurotypeOur personalityOur attachment styleOur past experiencesOur current stress levelOur perceptions of safety3. Dysregulation is not bad! God created our nervous system responses to protect us. However, when we are unable to return to regulation, we can end up living in a chronic stress state.4. What types of situations, without proper support, create chronic dysregulation?Past traumaDifficult marriageParenting challengesNeurodiversity (both for the individual and the family)Not feeling emotionally supported or connected; feeling emotionally abandonedFeeling invalidated: not feeling seen and heardOverfunctioning, perfectionism, people-pleasingCo-dependencyLack of sleep5. Dysregulated nervous system states: fight/flight, freeze, fawn/overwhelm. Examples.6. It's never too late to learn nervous system fitness.7. Knowledge vs experience: you can learn all about the brain, the science, polyvagal theory,etc., and still live in a mostly dysregulated state.8. Walk through a brief experiential example to help cultivate nervous system balance.Reach out to Jana:https://www.janamsmith.com/

Dr. Donna Berghauser is a Florida-licensed and Nationally Certified School Psychologist (NCSP) with over 10 years of experience in public schools and community settings.Dr. Donna Berghauser earned a bachelor's degree in psychology from Florida State University and a doctorate in psychology from Nova Southeastern University. Since 2011, she has served on the Florida Association of School Psychologists (FASP) executive board in many capacities, including President. Her professional interests include systems change, restorative practices, and culturally sensitive assessment and intervention. In her leisure time, she enjoys traveling, visiting local coffee shops, reading, and hanging out with her fluffy boy, Cosmo.

Today is a special edition of JTG. Our usual crew will be back!Today, Dan discusses marriage, divorce, and a new marriage with John Fela of Joni & Friends. While not officially diagnosed, John has realized later in life his neurodivergent identification.About John:John Fela is the Ministry Relations Manager at Joni and Friends Chicago, working with churches to equip and train them to help the disabled in their communities. Prior to that, he spent almost 20 years in education, working with children from Infants to Middle School, serving in a variety of roles, including Teacher, Mentor Teacher, and School Director.Zoom AI Summary of Conversation:John and his wife have a dedicated time or day to review and update their shared calendar to ensure they are both aware of each other's schedules and commitments.John and his wife consistently express gratitude and appreciation for each other's efforts and contributions, even for small tasks or gestures.John and his wife practice gentleness and empathy in their communication, especially when discussing sensitive or past-related topics.John and his wife continue engaging in regular devotional and check-in times to maintain a strong connection and support each other.John lives in Round Lake, IL, and is married to his wife Faith and father to his son Christopher (ASD.) He is a public speaker, podcast guest on multiple shows, and regular contributor to Key Ministry's Special Needs Family blog and other special needs blogs, including Hope Anew and The Mighty.

Today we took some listener questions and Dr.Stephanie asks them from neurodiverse couples to Natalie Roberts and Heather Parks. One key component- Neurodiversity is never THE only marriage challenge or complexity.ntroducing Natalie Roberts and Heather ParksHeather Parks has been in a neurodiverse relationship for over 25 years and lives in Devon, UK, with her husband and four children. Neurodiversity was unknown until 2012 when it exploded into their lives amid a mental health crisis that affected every family member. Ill from the persistent stress of trying to keep everyone afloat, desperate to find solutions, and losing hope that things would ever get better, Heather embarked on a journey in which she recovered herself and rebuilt connection firstly with herself and then in her relationship, family, and beyond. After 8 years of supporting families discovering and navigating neurodiversity, Heather certified with MasterCoach in 2020 before becoming a Positive Intelligence ® Coach. In 2021, she gained the ICF Accredited Certificate in Body-Oriented Coaching with The Somatic School in London, UK.Heather coaches individuals struggling in their neurodiverse relationships using a nervous system approach of safety and curiosity so that they can reconnect with themselves and create conscious, loving connections with others... so they can be themselves, too!Natalie Roberts lives in the UK with her husband Pete. She's been married for 25 years and has known about neurodiversity, participating in it for 10 of those years when her husband discovered he's autistic.Frustrated and depressed by toxic online groups, a lack of hope, and virtually no solutions that actually worked in real life, Natalie took a different path. Led by her social sciences background and inspired by her incessant curiosity to find a way where there is seemingly no way, she busted neurodiversity relationship myths, reversed symptoms of Cassandra Syndrome, and began to thrive in her relationship again! Professionally, as an accredited and award-winning Relationship Coach, Natalie coaches individuals who are struggling in their neurodiverse relationships to reverse the individual and relationship impact of unknown neurodiversity so that they can be true to themselves and feel empowered to make positive and hopeful decisions about their present and future.In 2020, Heather and Natalie co-founded Loving Difference to bring hope and a way forward for neurodiverse relationships to more people. Loving Difference has an online home that combines empowering coaching, a friendly community, and step-by-step guidance to be you again and flourish, with the company and encouragement of others navigating the same challenges. Heather and Natalie also co-host the Myth Busting Neurodiverse Relationships podcast.www.lovingdifference.netheather@lovingdifference.netwww.natalieroberts.com natalie@natalieroberts.comMyth Busting Neurodiverse Relationship podcast is available where you listen to podcasts.Disclaimer:When we have guests on the ASR podcast, they are recognized for their expertise in autism as advocates, self-advocates, clinicians, parents, or other professionals in the field. They may or may not be part of the faith community; having a guest on the broader topic of autism does not reflect complete agreement with the guest, just as many guests may not agree with our faith perspective. Guests are chosen by topic for the chosen podcast discussion and are not necessarily in full agreement with all beliefs of the chosen guest(s).

Dr. Stephanie and Carrie talk about Carrie's journey in marriage and family navigating Autism. We speak about the limited opportunities that exist for those on the spectrum beyond high school and steps to consider to help your teen and young adult become more independent in life after high school.Carrie Cariello is the author of What Color Is Monday, How Autism Changed One Family for the Better, and Someone I'm With Has Autism. She lives in Southern New Hampshire with her husband, Joe, and their five children. Carrie is a regular contributor to the Huffington Post, TODAY Parents, the TODAY Show, Parents.com, Love What Matters, and Grown and Flown. She has been interviewed by NBC Nightly News and has a TEDx talk. She speaks regularly about autism, marriage, and motherhood and writes a weekly blog on her website. One of her essays, “I Know What Causes Autism,” was featured as one of the Huffington Post's best of 2015, and her piece, “I Know Why He Has Autism,” was named one of the top blog posts of 2017 by the TODAY Show.  https://carriecariello.com/You can access her blog/essays and her Ted Talk.

Today, we discuss a few topics in today's podcast. Dr. Stephanie talks with Jenilee about their family's journey with autism on the mission field. While in church ministry and mission work the three teen girls are diganosed with ASD, ADHD, AuDHD. She realized not only were her kids neurodivergent, but she was in a neurodiverse marriage and family system.What additional challenges to ministry or being on the mission field may come with a neurodiverse marriage and family?Are churches or ministry organizations equipped to help neurodiverse marriages and families serving in the ministry/mission field?About Our Guest:Rev. Jenilee GoodwinProfessional Life CoachAs a certified professional life coach (ICCI), a certified autism coach (NCDD), and an ordained minister (AG), Jenilee has over 20 years of career ministry experience. Serving in stateside churches and overseas missions, Jenilee brings lived experience, problem-solving skills, compassionate support, and creativity into each coaching session. Jenilee asks hard questions while listening, guiding, and coaching clients in their unique life situations. Jenilee is trained in the Equipping Profile, a personal development coaching tool that helps discover growth points and possible barriers to growth. Through one-on-one and group coaching, Jenilee uses the Equipping Profile, book studies, and even some homework to establish personal development plans, helping clients move forward healthily.With many in her immediate family on the autism spectrum, Jenilee has a special call and place in her heart for moms of kids on the spectrum and for NT wives going through the difficulties of ND marriages. Even more specifically, I have a passion for these women who are also in full-time ministry or missions. There are very few places to share the full story. In coaching with Jenilee, you can share every single page of the story.In addition to the above skills, Jenilee loves reading, writing, coffee, going for walks, and watching history documentaries.You can connect with Jenilee daily on Instagram @jenileerachel or through her website, jenileerachel.com

Dan and the guys talk about AI, Perry's new book FAIK and applications to real life.

Today, Dr. Stephanie interviews Sarah Casburn.They will chat about:ABA or not ABA?What is the controversy about ABA?Do nutrition and diet impact Autism?What is sensory enrichment therapy?Sarah Casburn is a late-diagnosed autistic woman and autistic mom who combines her 20 years of personal and professional experience in a variety of areas, including Early Childhood Education, Autism and Behavioral Science, Sensory Enrichment, Nutrition, and Children's Ministry, to support families and volunteers in a fresh approach. She is the founder of Crown Family Wellness (Neuroscience & Nutrition for Neurodiversity), which supports children and adults, and a Ministry stream dedicated to supporting church communities all across Canada and the USA.Find out more at:https://www.crownfamilywellness.com/about

We continue to discuss the book Dan did not read before publication and what he learned from each chapter when we received our author's copies of Uniquely Us.Pre-order yours today at https://www.christianneurodiversemarriage.com/uniquelyus