Podcast appearances and mentions of Deeyah Khan

Gissele: [00:00:00] was Martin Luther King, Jr. Wright, does love have the power to transform an enemy into a friend. We’re currently working on a documentary showcasing people doing extraordinary things such as loving. Those who are most hurtful in this documentary will showcase extraordinary stories of forgiveness, reconciliation, and transformation. You’d like to find out more about our documentary, www M-A-I-T-R-I-C-E-N-T-R-E com slash documentary. Hello and welcome to the Love and Compassion Podcast with Gissele. We believe that love and compassion have the power to heal our lives and our world. Don’t forget to like and subscribe for more amazing content. Today we’re talking with Larry Rosen about whether enemies can come together in dialogue. Larry is the founder of a mediation law practice. Through understanding he has helped thousands craft enduring solutions to [00:01:00] crippling conflicts, millions have watched this popular TEDx talk with secret understanding humans whose insights informs the enemy’s project. From 2024, Larry completed writing the novel, the Enemy Dance, posing the question, must the society riven by tribalism descend into war or can it heal itself? Larry is a graduate of UCLA School of Law, where he served as editor of the Law Review and received numerous academic awards. Growing up, Larry was both the bully and the bullied. The one who was cruel and the one who was kind, he was sometimes popular. And sometimes friendless. He had many fist fights with kids who became his friends. He had his very own chair at the principal’s office. He believes that his peacemaking today is born out of the callousness and empathy that he knew as childhood. [00:02:00] Please join me in welcoming Larry. Hi, Larry. Larry: Hi there. That, it’s funny because that la last piece that you read about my, you know, the, the principal’s office that’s on my website, I’ve never had someone read that back to me and it brought me a little bit to tears, like, oh, that poor kid. Yeah, I, I don’t hear that very often. So anyway, Gissele: yeah. Oh, I really loved it when I saw it, and I could relate to it because I’ve also been both. when we hurt other people, we wanna be forgiven, but when people hurt us, you don’t always wanna forgive, right? Mm-hmm. So it gives you the different perspective. I’m so thrilled to have you on the show. And how I actually came to know about your project is, so I’m a professor at a university and I teach research and ethics. And, what I had discovered about my students is that many of them don’t come with the ability to do the critical thinking, to be able to hold both sides. Many of them come thinking there’s gotta be a right answer, and there’s a right way of doing things. Just tell us what the answer is. [00:03:00] And so for my students, I get them to write a paper where they tell me the things they feel really strongly about. Then they’re researching the opposing perspective using credible sources. because trolls are easy to dismiss, right? So credible sources, the opposing perspective, and then they are supposed to, so tell me what are their main points? You know, like why do they believe what they do? And and are you really that different? Right? And then the last part of the paper is. Talk about the emotions you feel and throughout the year I prepare them in terms of being able to handle it. So I teach them mindfulness, I teach them self-compassion so that they can hold because it’s really difficult to hold posing perspective. What? It’s research and ethics. I do it for my, ’cause one of my research interests is compassion. And so, and I was a director of one of the departments I had was hr. And what I noticed was when people had conflict, it was the inability to regulate themselves, to sit in a [00:04:00] conversation that prevented them from going anywhere. And so what I do in my classes, like I’ll do like a minute, like maybe five minutes, three minutes, right before the start of class, I’ll teach mindfulness or like a self-compassion practice and we talk about it all year. And then at the end of the year they’ll do a, a paper where they do the opposing perspective. Then at the end they talk about the emotions they feel. So, and, and they can do that through music. They could do that through a photograph. They could do that through an art project or they just use text. They say, oh, I felt this. I felt that. And so it was in my students researching for their papers that they encountered your project. And they were blown away. They were so, so happy about it. And I like, I’ve watched the episodes. They were amazing . And so that’s why I wanted to have you on the show. And so I was wondering if you could start by telling the audience a little bit about the Enemies project and how you got inspired to do this work. Larry: So the Enemies Project is a [00:05:00] docuseries where I bring together people who are essentially enemies, people of really dramatically different viewpoints, who pretty much don’t like each other. And so an example is a trans woman and a, a woman who is maga who believes trans people belong to mental institutions a Palestinian and a Zionist Jew and, and lots of other combinations. And the goal is not to debate. There are lots of places where you can see debates and I allow them to argue it out for a few minutes to, to show what doesn’t work. And then I bring them through kind of a different process where they. Understand each other deeply, which basically means live in each other’s viewpoint, really ultimately be able to, like you’re trying to do in your class as well. Have them express each other’s viewpoint. And that is a transforming process for them. Usually when they do it in each other’s presence. And it, you know, it has hiccups which is part of the process, but it goes really [00:06:00] deep. And so ultimately these people who hate each other end up almost always saying, I really admire you. I like you. I would be your friend. And sometimes they say, I love you. And usually they hug and there’s deep affection for each other at the end. And they’re saying to the camera or to, you know, their viewers, like, please be kind to this person. This person’s now my friend. And that is for me important because. Like you probably, and probably most of your listeners, I’m tired of what’s happening in society. I am tired of being manipulated. I think we’re all being manipulated by what I call enemy makers. People who profit from division financially, politically they’re usually political leaders and media leaders. And we’re all being taken. And the big lie at the center of it is that people on the other side, ordinary people on the other side are bad or evil. That’s the, the dark heart lie at the [00:07:00] center of it. And if we believe that we’ll follow these leaders, we’ll follow them because we all want to defeat evil. We all must defeat evil. And so what I’m trying to do in this project is unravel that lie by showing that people on the other side are just us. Yeah. And they too have been manipulated and we’ve been manipulated. So and it’s gone well, it’s gone really well. You know, there have been, we’ve been, we’ve done eight or nine episodes and we have in various forms of media, been seen tens of millions of times in the last five months. And we have, I think, 175,000 followers on different media. And the comments are just really, from my perspective, surprisingly, kind of off the chart powerful. Like this has changed tens of thousands of comments of just this is, this is in. Sometimes I’ve, I cried throughout or it’s actually changed my life. I see people differently. So it’s, it is been really, it’s really great to have that feedback and, and then we have plans for the future, which I can tell you [00:08:00] about later. But yeah, but that’s, that’s the basic background. The reason I got into it I don’t know if you have kids, but for me, kids are the great motivator. You know, the next generation, probably people who don’t have kids also are motivated for the next generation as well. We, I care deeply about what I’m leaving my kids and other people’s kids, you know, they all touch my heart and I, I feel really terrible about the mess we’re believing them in, and I feel terrible about what humanity is inheriting. And so I want to have an influence on that. Gissele: Yeah. Yeah. And one of the things I love about your docuseries is that the intent isn’t to change anyone’s mind. The intent is for people to feel heard and seen, and that is so, so powerful. It makes me think of Daryl Davis about how he went. Do you know the story of Daryl Davis? I don’t like jazz musician. So he’s a black jazz musician who when, since he was little, he wondered why people were racist. So what he did was actually go [00:09:00] to KKK rallies and speak to KKK leaders. Yeah, Larry: I have heard, yeah. Gissele: Yeah. He didn’t mean to change anyone. He just wanted to offer them respect, which you, as you say, is fundamental and just wanted to understand. And in that understanding, he created those conditions too that led people to change . And so I think that’s the same thing that your docuseries is offering. Larry: Absolutely. I mean, you can see it so easily that Yeah, as soon as one person hears the other person, the person who was heard is the one who changes. you don’t change the other person by telling them your story and by convincing them of anything. It’s when you hear them and hear what their true intention has been and what’s going on in their life, that’s when they change. It’s the fastest road to their change really. But if you go in with that objective, then they won’t change. So there’s kind of a, you know, an irony or a paradox embedded in this, but usually both people move [00:10:00] toward each other, is what happens. Yeah. Gissele: I want the audience to understand how brilliant this is because, I don’t know if you know Deeyah Khan, she’s a documentarian and she interviewed people from the KKK And one of the things we noticed in all those interviews was that many people hate others. They’re people that they’ve never met. They’ve never met people in that group, but they hate them. So, Larry: yeah, that’s, that’s really interesting just to hear that. Yeah. Gissele: Yeah. So how does the Enemies project help challenge misconceptions about groups that have never met each other, carry beliefs about the other? Larry: Well, so far really hasn’t because everybody who we’ve done a show with has met people from the other side. Gissele: Oh, Larry: okay. You know, it’s not like because thus far with the, with I think one or two exceptions, everyone’s been an American. So in, in the United States, everybody’s gonna meet somebody else. they’re not friends with them, they’re not deeply connected with them. But from my perspective it, it doesn’t [00:11:00] matter. You know, you can be from the most different tribes who’ve never met each other, we’re all gonna be the same. the process never differs. we don’t start with politics. My view is that starting with politics, which is how some, some people who try to bring others together to find common ground, start with politics, and that’s not going to work. What I start with is rapport. You know, as soon as you start with something that a person is defensive over, you’re gonna put up, they’re gonna be wearing armor, and they’re going to try to defeat the other person. So we exit that process and we really just help them understand what’s beautiful in each other’s lives, what’s challenging in each other’s lives, and they, there’s no question that as soon as you see what’s beautiful in someone else’s life or challenging, you’re gonna identify with it because you’re gonna have very similar points of beauty and challenge yourself. And then we fold. Politics into it about why politics really are important [00:12:00] to the other person. And we do it in a way where it’s a true exploration. And once that happens, people connect deeply. so it doesn’t matter from, in my experience, how different the people are, how extreme the people are. you’re going to be able to bring them together, you know? And so if they haven’t met each other, it’s really interesting what you said that people hate, people a haven’t met, which is like a, such a obvious statement. And it is really profound just to hear that, like, it’s so absurd. Yeah, and I would say that in my experience, the most profound or the deepest sessions are with people who are really dramatically surprised that the other person’s a human being. So if they, if they haven’t met each other, if they haven’t met someone like that, it’s gonna be an easy one. Yeah. ’cause because the shock is gonna be [00:13:00] so huge. Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And Larry: so, and so full, it’s when the people have had experiences with the other side that it’s, that it is, it’s still powerful, but it can be a little bit more intellectual than, than in the heart because when you’re shocked by someone’s humanity, because you couldn’t imagine it at all, it, it really crushes your thoughts about them. Gissele: What I love about the process is that that’s the part you really focus on. You masterfully, are able to get people to really get to the root of their humanity and make that connection and then reengage in the dialogue , which is, is amazing. So who individuals selected and what’s support needs to happen before they can engage in the dialogue? And I ask that because each individual has to be able to hold the discussion. Because sometimes it’s, sometimes it can feel so hurtful, and I’m thinking in particular, even Nancy. So they’ve gotta be able to regulate enough to stay in the dialogue. Otherwise, what [00:14:00] I have seen is people will eject, they’ll fight, they’ll just kind of flee. So what preparation needs to happen and how do you select people? Larry: So on the selection front, it’s different now than when I started, you know, when I started filming about a year ago, I didn’t have any choices. You know, it wasn’t like anyone knew who I was or they had seen my shows, so I would go, I would live in the Bay Area and it’s really hard to find conservatives in the Bay Area, but all the conservatives in, in the San Francisco Bay Area congregate, they have like clubs. Mm-hmm. And so I would go on hikes with, in conservative clubs and I would speak to them and I just would try to find people who were interested. There were no criteria beyond that. Now, having said that, it’s not entirely true. I did interview some people who I just were like, they’re two intellectual, they just wanted to talk about economic issues or stuff, something like that. and then for liberals, it was actually harder, [00:15:00] believe it or not, to find people in the Bay Area who wanted to participate. I could find tons of liberals and progressives, but they had zero interest in speaking to a conservative person. And I wasn’t sure if that was a Bay Area phenomena, because liberals are so much in the majority, they don’t really care to speak to the other side, whereas the other side wants to be heard, or whether that’s a progressive kind of liberal thing. I have my views that have developed over time, but it was hard to find liberal people. And so really at the beginning it was just people who were willing to do it. There weren’t criteria beyond that. At this point, you know we’ve received some that people know what we’re doing and people want to be on the show and we receive applications and my daughter. Who runs this with me, my daughter Sadie, who’s 20 years old and in college. She is the person who finds people now, and you might have seen the episode a white cop and a black activist. I don’t know if you’ve seen that one, but, you know, she found those two people and they were [00:16:00] great. And the way she found them is she searched the map on the internet. It’s a little different now because by searching people on the internet, we find people who have a little bit of an audience. Mm. And that could be a bit of a problem. But it’s also like so much less time consuming for us. And so. You know, if we had a lot of money, we would spend more money on casting, but we don’t, and so mm-hmm. But we were able to find pretty good people. I’d say the main criteria for me, in addition to them having to have some passion about this, this particular show that they’re on, whether it’s about abortion or Israel, Gaza, the main criteria for me that’s developed is, do I want to hang out with this person? Because if I do, if the person, not whether they’re nice. Okay. Not whether they’re kind. That’s not it. I want them to have passion and I want to like them personally, because if I, it’s not that I don’t like the, some of the people, I like them all, but I don’t [00:17:00] want to hang out with them. If I do, it’s gonna be a great show because I know that they’re gonna be dynamic people and that their passion will flip. they’re gonna connect in some way and people who are really cordial and kind, they’re not, they’re not going to connect as deeply. The transformation’s not going to be as powerful for them or for the audience. Gissele: Hmm. Really interesting. I wanna touch base on something you said, you know, like that most people listen to debate. And I like Valerie Kaur’s perspective, which is to listen, to understand is to be willing to change your mind and heart. And I also like what you said, which is listening is to love someone. Can you explain what you mean by that? Larry: I think it more is the, it’s received as love than it, than necessarily it’s given as love. It doesn’t mean that you love the other person when you’re listening, but all of us, I would say if we think of the people [00:18:00] that we believe love us the most, they get us. Yeah. We receive it that way and, and they don’t judge us. And so when an enemy does that for you, the thought that they are a bad person melts away. Because if somebody loves us, and that’s the way it’s received, it’s not really an intellectual thing, we just receive it that way. They can’t be a bad person. Like somebody who loves me cannot be a bad person. And so it’s probably the most powerful thing that you can do to flip the feeling of the other side, is to listen to them, not to convince them of anything and to listen to them with curiosity, not just kind of blankly to listen to them without judgment. That’s a real critical piece. And if you do, you know, you can see on the show, it’s just like, you can see the switch flip. It’s really interesting. You can almost watch when it [00:19:00] happens and all of a sudden. The person likes the other person and now they’re listening to each other. It was really interesting. I was on a show one of the episodes is called I forget what it’s called. It’s the Guns episode. How To Stop The Bleed or something. It was these two women, and one of them has a podcast that she had me on and she said what was really interesting to her was that given how the show was laid out, like the first part of the show, they’re arguing, like usually doing a debate and they don’t really hear each other. But she said, given how the show was laid out, she was not preparing her responses in her mind like she always does. When speaking to somebody else, she was not thinking about what she was going to say. Her job in her mind was to understand the other person, to really get the other person. She said it was a total shift in the way she was acting internally. Like, like, and she said she noticed it. Like, I am not even thinking about what I’m going to say. And then she said afterwards she thought a lot about it, [00:20:00] and that was a dramatic shift from anything she’s been involved with. And that’s another way to put it. You know, I don’t, I didn’t think of that when, you know that the people wouldn’t be preparing for their response like we usually do. But that is definitely what happens when you concentrate on listening, and so yeah, it’s received really warmly and it’s transforming. Gissele: Yeah, and I think it, a lot of it has to do with how you manage the conversations, right? Like the tools that you use. I noticed they use the who am I right? To try to get people to go down to their core level to talk about themselves, the whole flipping side, identity confusion, which we’ll talk about in a minute. So are these based on particular frameworks that you use to mediate conversations since you have a history of mediation? Or is this something that you sort of came up on your own? Larry: It is something that I came up with on my own for the most part. I mean, I do a type of mediation in the law. I’m a lawyer where it’s unusual because [00:21:00] I’m doing like a personal mediation in a legal context. It’s kind of weird. for people. Yeah, but I only do the types of mediations where people know each other, like I don’t do between two companies, because there’s not really a human element to it. It’s, it really is about money for the most part. But, but when it’s two human beings, the money is a proxy for something else, always. Mm-hmm. Yeah. and so I’m used to being able to connect people. I do, you know, divorce founders of companies, neighbors family members who are caring for another family member. People who, where there wouldn’t be a legal issue if their relationship wasn’t broken. And so they already know each other. I don’t have to do that really deep rapport building. I do have to do some, but not really deep. but my theory was that when starting this project, which is mostly political, and people who don’t know each other, that there would be a piece missing. You know, like I wasn’t sure if what I’d do would do would work. What I do with clients would work in this. Political context, and I want them to [00:22:00] know, my thought was how do I build that rapport, even if it’s broken in the personal relationship, like they’re craving that they want that healing, but here, like they don’t know the other person. So it was really just me think thinking about how do powerful things that I want to know about other people. Speaker 3: Yeah. Larry: And so I really just tried it. I mean, like, you know, what is most, what would I most powerfully want from another person? and I develop a list of questions that really worked well, but I’m really practiced in keeping people focused on the questions at hand and not allowing them to deviate from what it is that I’ve designed. So that’s something that, you know, I’ve been doing for 20 years, and it takes some skill to even know whether the person’s deviating, whether they’re sneaking in their own judgment or they’re, you know, they’re asking a question, but it’s [00:23:00] really designed to convince the other person. So I’ve good at detecting that from, from a fair amount of experience, and I’ve developed skills in how I can reel them back in without triggering them. Gissele: Yeah. I’ve watched it, like you’re very good at navigating people back and it’s very soft and very humane. can I just bring you back here? So there’s no like judgment or minimizing of what they say. They’re just like, well, can I just get you back on this track? It’s, it’s very beautiful how you do that . Larry: Thank you. and you ask how I prepare people. It’s interesting because what I do is I interview them for an hour and a half to see if they’re a match for the show, an hour and a half to two hours. And I get to know them during that and, and me asking all these questions, gets them liking me. Right. The same process happens between us. Yeah, Gissele: yeah, yeah, yeah. Larry: Smart. [00:24:00] and then before the show, I spend another, hour with them again over, it’s over video. I’ve never met these people in person, just repairing them for what’s going to happen, what my objectives are helping them understand that we’re going to start with conflict. It’s not where we’re going to go. Just really helping them understand the trajectory and answering their questions. And so they come in with some level of rapport. For me, it’s not like we know each other really well, so a lot of times it’s just us starting together. But they do trust me to some extent. There’s no, like, and you said, how do I get them to regulate? I don’t. there’s no preparation for that. It’s just that I, from so much experience with this, you know, thousands of conversations with people over the years, it’s easy to get a person to calm down, which is, you know, you just take a break from the other person to say, hold on a second, I’m gonna listen to you.[00:25:00] And then they calm down. And, those skills, you know, the whole, the whole identity confusion and the layout of the questions, that’s kind of my stuff. But the skills that I use are not mine. I’ve developed them over the years, but a lot of them come from nonviolent communication. Mm-hmm. And Marshall Rosenberg. And I got my first training in nonviolent communication probably 25 years ago. But I remember well the person’s saying, you’re moderating a conversation between, between two people. You prov you apply emergency first aid ’cause one person can’t, can’t hear. And you as the intermediate intermediary can apply that. And it, so it becomes quite easy, you know, with that thought in mind that I can heal in the moment, whatever’s going on. Gissele: Mm, mm-hmm. Beautiful. I wanna talk a little bit about the flipping side. ’cause I think it’s so, so important. Why do you get people to, with opposing [00:26:00] perspectives, to flip sides and then just reiterate the viewpoints from their perspective. I know sometimes it can be confusing to the people themselves, but why do you get them to flip sides? Larry: Yeah. So, so it might be helpful to view it through, you know, a real example. Let’s take. Eve and Nancy, which is, you know, a really powerful episode for your, wow. Your listeners who haven’t watched or heard any, any of these, Eve is a transgender woman. Fully transitioned. Nancy is what, what she called a gender fundamentalist wearing a MAGA hat. She comes in and she’s saying stuff like people who are trans belong in mental institutions. She tells Eve to her face that you’re a genetically modified man. Eve is saying, you know, you people don’t have empathy for other people. They’re really far apart. Let’s just say it’s not gone well. [00:27:00] Eve is very empathetic, however, you know, like she is unusually empathetic. And able to hear Nancy, and that is transforming for Nancy. I mean, I can’t express the degree to which Eve’s own nature and intention transformed this. You know, I helped, but it is an unbelievable example of me listening to you will transform you. And where I take them ultimately is I’m preparing them as they’re understanding each other for switching roles. Because what happens when we switch roles? I mean, my thought is that human beings can easily, you might, it might be weird to this, this point, but we, we often say you can walk in the shoes of another person. How is that even possible? If you, if you think about it, we, we have totally different upbringings, you know, how can you experience what another person experiences if we have totally different upbringings, [00:28:00] different philosophies. Like, how is that possible? And yet almost everybody can do it. And it’s because we have the same internal machinery, we have the same internal drives. We just have different ways of achieving them. And so if you can slowly build your understanding of a person’s history and their beliefs, like a belief might be that there’s Christ who is love and will save me. That’s a belief. If you identify the person’s history and their beliefs and you occupy that belief, you can understand why it’s important to them. If you have that be, why would that be? Well, it’s important to me now if I really believe that, because I wanna live forever. I can be with the people I love forever, I can help save other people. Like can there be anything more powerful than saving somebody’s soul? Like once you enter their belief, and the reason we’re able to do [00:29:00] that is because we are the same internally, we have the same desires. So the whole show is a buildup toward getting them to understand each other’s beliefs and experience and then occupy them. And once we do and we start advocating on the other person’s behalf, we become confused who we are. And that’s really powerful. Like, I don’t even know who I am and I’m doing this legitimately, like I’m totally advocating for you. I’m saying stuff you didn’t even say. Yeah. And then you are listening to me do that, and you’re blown away like you’ve never been heard so deeply. And particularly not by someone you consider an enemy. And so that is transforming. What I will say is that I use this process a lot in mediation. For a different reason. My mediations are not meant to repair relationships. This is meant to repair relationships my mediations are meant to solve issues. Gissele: Hmm. Larry: In, in this show, I [00:30:00] specifically tell them, you are not here to solve the issues. Like, how are they gonna solve the Palestine Israel issue? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And it’s too big of a burden and no one’s gonna listen to them. Mm-hmm. The goal is to show the audience that people should not be enemies. That they’re the same people on the other side. That’s my goal. So I try to keep them away from solution seeking because they will be disappointed. People won’t listen to them and things could fall apart. And that’s, it’s not the point of the show. But what’s interesting is that in my mediations, I use this tool of having them switch identities to solve issues because once they do occupy the other person’s perspective fully, they are then. Solving the issue because they understand that an internal level, the other person and what drives them, and they have no resistance to that and they understand themselves. They already understand themselves. And so during that process, solutions emerge because [00:31:00] they’ve never been able to hold both perspectives at the same time. And I heard you say that when we were opening the show, I don’t remember what the context was about holding both perspectives at the same time. But you, you said that, that that’s something that you do. Yes. Gissele: So so when, when students are taught research or even like thinking about ethical considerations, right? When you’re doing research, you’ve gotta be able to hold differing perspectives, understand differing views, understand research that might invalidate your perspectives, right? And so if you come already into the conversation thinking that there’s a right way or there’s a right perspective, and I heard you say this in your TEDx talk, I think you were talking about like, we can only win if we defeat the other side. That perspective that there’s only one side, one perspective prevents us then from engaging in dialogue and holding opposing views. Larry: and the holding the opposing views for, in my mind is not an intellectual process. Like you might think that if I, if I list all the [00:32:00] desires and the goals on both and on a spreadsheet, then I’ll be able to solve it. No chance. Yeah. It’s not a conscious intellectual process. It’s when you get it both sides deeply without resistance that your subconscious produces solutions. So we don’t consciously produce solutions. And what I found is that that is the most powerful tool to bring people to solutions where they are themselves and the other person at the same time where both people are doing this and then one person just suggests something that never occurred to any of us. And it solves it. Gissele: Yeah. Yeah. Now, that doesn’t Larry: happen in, in the show because I’m specifically telling them not to seek solutions, but it does happen in mediation. Gissele: Hmm. Yeah. And What you’re doing is so fundamental too, sometimes it’s not even about finding a solution. Sometimes it’s even just about finding the humanity in each other. And that is such a great beginning. You know, people wanna solve war. Yeah, of course we all wanna [00:33:00] eliminate war, but sometimes there’s war within families with neighbors. So why are we worried about the larger war where we’re not even in able to engage and hold space for each other’s humanity within our homes? And so I think what you’re inviting people to do is, can we sit with each other in dialogue without the need to change each other, just with respect, which you’ve mentioned is fundamental, just with presence, just remembering each other’s humanity. And I think that’s all fundamental. Larry: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Gissele: Yeah. I wanted to also mention, you know, one of the things that I noticed in, the conversations is how you focus people on disarming, and one of the ways that you get them to disarm is to take their uniforms off. Can you talk about a little bit about how uniforms show up in these conversations? Larry: Yeah. Some people come with like a MAGA hat or a pin or bracelets or something like that, that show which side they’re on, and I don’t discourage that. You know, [00:34:00] it’s part of the process for the audience from my perspective, because at a certain point, if they do come that way, I ask ’em not to wear a shirt that they can’t take off, but they might wear a hat. And if they, when they do take that off, eventually when we, when we stop the argument, when we stop the debate portion and we enter into another. Portion of the discussion, you can see the effect on the other person. And you can even see the effect on the person who took like the most dramatic is Nancy. Gissele: Yep. Nancy is wearing a, that’s the one I was Larry: thinking. MAGA hat. Yeah. And then she puts on Nancy is is from Kenya and she puts on a Kenyan headdress because her hair is, that’s so beautiful. A little messed up from the hat. And she’s like, I’ll put this on. and I asked her like, wow, you look really happy when you have that on. And she’s like, yeah, this is my crown. And she is almost like a different person and you know, uniforms basically divide, I mean they announced to the other side [00:35:00] essentially. I don’t care about you whether consciously or not. it’s interpreted as I will defeat you at any cost. You just don’t matter. I am on this side and I will crush you. And, and when she took that off, you could really actually see the difference in her and in Eve. Gissele: Yeah, absolutely. It was truly transformative. ‘Cause I noticed that when she had the hat you can even see it in the body language. There was a big protection. And she use it as a protection in terms of like, well, my group but when she used her headdress, it was so beautiful and it was just more her, it was just her. It wasn’t all of these other people. When I think about, you know, the Holocaust and how people got into these roles. ’cause you know, in my class we talk about the vanity of evil, right? Like how people, some people were hairdressers and butchers before the Holocaust. They came, they did these roles, and then they went back to doing that after the war. And it’s like, how does that make sense? And, and to put a uniform on, to [00:36:00] put a role on and then fully accept it, like you said, creates that division, creates that separation between human beings. Whereas what you’re doing is you’re asking them to disarm and to go back to the essence of their own humanity, which I think is really powerful. But it was really interesting the whole discussion on, on uniforms, right? Larry: Yeah, yeah. it is one of the many ways we separate ourselves, that we separate ourselves, that we perceive ourselves as different than them, and that they view us as a threat. Gissele: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I heard you say that enemies are not enemies, it’s just us on the other side. What do you mean by that? Larry: I mean the ordinary people of the enemy. I believe enemy makers, if you can think of who you might consider an enemy maker. They are political leaders and they are media leaders. And they wouldn’t exist. They wouldn’t have any [00:37:00] power. People wouldn’t vote for them. People wouldn’t watch them if they didn’t create an enemy. If they didn’t foster the idea that there is an enemy. And the enemy has got to be broad. It can’t just be one person. It’s got to be a people that I’m fighting against. It’s gotta be a big threat. And so they paint people who are ordinary people on the other side as a threat. All the time. Yeah. and so that’s the, big lie at the center of it, that they’re a threat. And what happens is, there’s the psychological process that the, brain goes through. The mind goes through that where once we’re under threat, that’s a cascade that is exists in every human being. And that results in us going to war with the other side once we’re under threat. But this is an us choosing a leader. But this is a very fundamental basic process and [00:38:00] fundamental, basic lie that that autocrats and demagogues and people who just want power have been using forever with human beings, I imagine. And it’s extremely powerful. And so what I intend to show is that that is a lie. Gissele: Hmm. Larry: That is just not the truth because at the core of this psychological process is the thought that you’re a threat to me. And then this whole cascade happens internally for me. If I no longer believe you are a threat, the cascade unwinds and the power of the enemy maker unwins, it can all flip on that one lie. And so I want people to understand that ordinary people on the other side are just them. Like, I can’t tell you how many times people on the show are, are just like, holy cow. Yeah, I see myself in you. Like I, that’s exactly what I’m experiencing. And it’s revelatory for [00:39:00] them. Like how could that be? Like how could we be opposed to each other? This is crazy. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Gissele: And you know, it’s amazing how when we truly understand somebody’s reasons for believing what they do, their history, their beliefs, why they believe makes sense, right? Yeah. Like, I saw it a lot in children in care, in the child protection system. Their behaviors seem reallymisbehaved. they shut down. They, act out. in some cases, that’s how those kids survived, these abusive homes, right? And so to them they’re still always on survival mode. Yeah. Makes sense. That’s what helped them survive. And so you, when you understand the other person’s perspective makes sense. Yeah. And you know, as you were talking, I was thinking what is going on for those demagogues and those authoritarian people that believe that that’s the only way that they can get what they need. you mean the leaders themselves? The leaders themselves, like so powerful people, people that are in their power, feel, love, feel [00:40:00] fulfilled, don’t need to disempower others, they don’t. In fact, the more that you love yourself at least that has been my experience, the more I have compassion for myself, the more I love myself, the more I’m in that state, the less I wanna hurt other people. The more I care about other people actually. So what is going on for them? That they think that this is the only way to get their needs met? Larry: I’ve thought a lot about this, you know, because the goal of this show is to show that people aren’t enemies, but there are enemy makers. And to me they are the enemy. like of all of the rest of us, all of us who are just trying to exist in the world, who prefer a world where we’re working together, you know? Yeah. It’s these people on the extreme who are, who are basically consciously sucking the goodwill out of society that I couldn’t care less about that because they get power. So is there something different about them? Is there, I have a few conclusions. One is [00:41:00] that there are people who are different that, that they are born, you know, all of us are born with the same internal desires and almost all of us get pleasure from seeing other people happy. That’s just born into us. Like, you know, almost everyone who’s an activist who comes onto the show, everyone actually is doing it because they want to other people to be happy. They, they don’t want people to experience the same pain that they’ve been in their life, but there are people who are born without or have extremely dialed down the pleasure that they get, the happiness that they get from seeing other people happy and healed. It’s not that the rest of us always want to see other people happy, but it, it’s one of our greatest sources of pleasure. There are people who are born without that. We call them sociopaths, Some leaders are sociopaths. They, don’t, I believe, obtain pleasure from other people’s happiness and they’re able to manipulate us quite often very well. And it’s these people who in peace time, [00:42:00] we wouldn’t even sit next to, we wouldn’t invite them over for Thanksgiving. Those are the people we choose, that it’s, it Gissele: doesn’t make biological sense. Larry: Well, they’re the people we choose when we’re at war, they are the people we choose. So, so think about this, okay? There is a virus, and the virus will kill 95% of human beings. And you have a leader who says there’s someone in power who says, we understand that people who are infected are going to infect other people, that as a society, we need to euthanize them. We actually need to do that as a society to save other people. Mm-hmm. There might be a leader who is empathetic, who says, I can’t do that. That, that feels wrong to me. almost all of us turn to the someone else who is a tyrant. Gissele: Who’s willing to do [00:43:00] what needs to be done to save us, right, exactly. Larry: To defeat evil, to kill, you know, when there’s a big enough threat, we will turn to the tyrant. And so people who are sociopaths and who in normal society would be rejected as a person who’s extremely dangerous, are the very people we turn to in times of war, when evil needs to be defeated. And so if you’re a sociopath and you want power, there’s no other way to power, you’re not going to follow the route of cooperation. You’re not going to follow the route of, you know, building alliance with the other side. You’re, if it, you’ll go the route of creating an enemy. And so that’s what we’ve, we’ve found. In our society, there are people who rise to power, who are the very people we would want nothing to do with in peace time. And that [00:44:00] people turn to, because they believe the other side is an enemy. They believe they are the virus that will kill 95% of people. So you can think of any leader and you might say, how could people follow this person? How could they possibly, what kind of evil is in people that they would follow this person, given what this person is doing? And the answer is obvious. They’ve been convinced that the other side is evil. Gissele: Yeah. Larry: And they truly, truly believe it. Gissele: This makes me think Hitler would’ve been a lone nut if 10 million people hadn’t followed him. Right? Larry: Right. And they believed, right. Gissele: They believed, I Speaker 4: mean. Larry: That, that Jews were, were incredible danger. They also ignored it and, you know, wanted to get along in society and, and be with the people they cared about. But, they truly believed that Jews were evil. Yeah. And if you, if you can convince them of that, you can lead a people. Gissele: Yeah. So the, it goes to the [00:45:00] question of like the reflexivity, like, so what is people’s own responsibility to constantly examine their own biases, beliefs, and viewpoints? Right. I gotta applaud the people that are on your show because they have to be willing to engage in a dialogue. So there’s an element of them that is willing to be wrong, right? or willing to kind of engage in that perspective. And we struggle so much. Yeah, with being wrong, like the mind always wants to be, right. We want to be on the side of good. And that’s one of the things that I was so reflecting on, I think I was listening to the conversation with, proud Boy, and the, in the progressive. The, yeah, progressive And that’s one of the episodes, by the way, for people. Yeah. That’s one of the episodes. And, and I, I love the follow up by the way. That was also amazing. It’s so funny because I was like, oh, is there a follow up? And I were like, went to search for it. Just to see how both sides feel that they’re right. And on the side of good, on the side of like positive for humanity, I think was really puzzling to me we have different ways [00:46:00] of getting there. You know, the people that for Trump really truly believe that some of the stuff he’s doing is very beneficial. The people that are against, they truly believe that what he’s doing is horrible. And to see those perspectives that at the core of it is a love or a care about humanity was really kind of mind blowing. Larry: Yeah, that is mind blowing. Gissele: Yeah, Larry: it is mind blowing. And what is infuriating to me is that we are manipulated to not pair with these other people because then these leaders would lose their power, you know, it’s a huge manipulation. Gissele: So this is why it’s up to each of us to do that work, to do the coming together, the engaging in the conversation, even though sometimes it feels difficult. And, having a willingness to listen And that’s the thing, that’s the thing about your beautiful show, which is like, you don’t have to agree at the end. You just have to see each other’s humanity, right? to let go of enemies, let go, to let Larry: go of that we have to agree that’s a real problem for me as well. Like when I get into a conversation with someone, [00:47:00] it’s like, how do we conclude the conversation if we don’t agree? It’s almost like it’s, it’s a forced imperative that is a mistake. Like that’s the point of the conversation. Yeah. for the most part, let go of that because I see now that that was just a mistake. Like we never had to agree. Gissele: Yeah. I so let’s talk about then, since we’re talking about disagreement, let’s talk about censorship, So because of the class that I teach, because I want them to understand different perspectives. One of the things I say in these papers is like, look, you can be pro-choice or pro-life. You can be pro Trump or against, I’m not judging you. That doesn’t matter. The exercise is to view the other side. That’s it, right? But it’s amazing how some of these dialogues in institutions have been diminished because there’s the belief that if we have these conversations, we’re supporting it, right? But the truth of the matter is that dialogue goes underground. It doesn’t disappear. It [00:48:00] doesn’t mean like, oh, everybody now believes this. It just goes covert, right? And these dialogues about these opposing perspectives are happening. And so I think I’d rather have these conversations up. And so that we can engage in dialogue and see what people are believing. I mean, there’s this undercurrent of racism, it seems, from my perspective, it it that that has existed for such a long time. It used to exist very, like visually in terms of slavery, but now there is still underground racism, right? Like it’s covert people may be able to vocalize the importance of diversity, but some people don’t believe it. So let’s talk about it rather than kind of like try to get those people to disappear and pretend it’s not there. What are your thoughts? Larry: Yeah. You know, there’s been a criticism that comes from the left a lot on the show, from people, from in comments is that we platformed bad guys. Like, you should not, you should not be giving a [00:49:00] stage to a proud boy. Well, if you listen to the Proud Boy’s perspective, this guy is like completely reasonable. He, he, you know, from people on the left, they’re even confused that he’s a proud boy. I think he might be confused about why he is a proud boy, I’m not sure. but he’s completely reasonable. So to, to just reflexively reject this person. He’s not there to represent the proud boys. He’s there to represent himself and to reflexively reject this person is to miss out on really a, a beautiful person and an interesting perspective. I’ve given a lot of thought to the criticism, however, because there’s a guy I’m considering having on the show who is a self-described fascist, a white supremacist, and I’ve had conversations with him and it is amazing how. The reason he is a white supremacist is he truly believes that white people are in danger and that he will be rejected. There will be no opportunities for them, and that he [00:50:00] is possibly in physical danger. He truly believes this. And if I believe that, you know I might do the same thing. And, I had a three hour interview with him where I really liked him, but I’m probably not gonna put him on the show. And, I’ve really thought a lot about whether to platform people and, I’ve kind of developed my own philosophy on whether it’s worth whether I should be airing viewpoints or not. And my thought is that a bridge goes both ways. So I can build a bridge where I walk him back. I am confident that I can have someone hear him out and him develop a relationship with them where he then becomes less extreme in his viewpoints. Gissele: I was gonna say, I think you should have him on the show. here’s is my perspective. Okay? Again, this is so similar to what Darrell David said, right? his intent wasn’t to change. It was to [00:51:00] understand, I think if we understood why people were afraid of us or hated, I’m Latino, by the way, right? We understood then we, can have the dialogue. The thing is like. People are giving like a one-sided propaganda. And it’s true, like if you actually hear the rhetoric of many separate groups is the fear of the other. Even though when you look at the population stats, right, even in the US black people make up 4%. Indigenous people make up 2% of the population. Like I think white people make up 57% of the population of the US and it’s higher in Canada. But it’s the fears, even though they might not be based on reality. That’s the rhetoric that these groups use. They use the rhetoric of we’re in danger, that these people are out to get us to destroy us. Thatsomehow it’s better for us to be isolated and separated. And they use the rhetoric of belonging. They use the rhetoric of love. They [00:52:00] use a co-opt it I don’t even think it’s rhetoric Larry: for them. It’s truth for them. Okay, Gissele: thank you. Yeah, so if you have people who are engaging in those different dialogues, like Darrell did, people don’t understand why they believe that the way that they do. Right? Because, because it’s real. Right? Now that rhetoric is happening, whether people wanna face it or not, that’s the problem. So Larry: I you completely, and when I first started this, I said to myself, there’s no question that I’m gonna have a Nazi on the show. There’s no question. But as I’ve thought about the critique that’s been offered, I’ve kind of drawn a line for myself at least present. And, and that’s fair. but I’ll tell you why I haven’t, I haven’t said why yet, which is A bridge goes both ways and, while I believe it’s really important to hear people, them out, because you walk people on both sides back from the extreme, toward the majority when you hear them out because they don’t see people as a threat anymore. As much. [00:53:00] What happens is by building the bridge, you provide an opportunity for many people to walk out toward them. When you give them an opportunity to hear, hear them out publicly, and my thought is that I will hear anybody out who has a large following because they already are being heard. Mm-hmm. They already have people walking out to them, and my goal is to bring them toward the rest of us so that we can function as a society. Mm-hmm. But I’m not gonna hear somebody who’s 0.1%, who’s because. Mm-hmm. Gissele: Okay. Larry: I understand me walk because they’re, I can walk them back, but maybe I walk 20 people out to them. Gissele: And it creates Larry: a bigger problem. And so, in my own view it’s about how big their following is already. Mm. Even though, yes, it’s, we can walk them back by hearing them. Gissele: Mm. Yeah. So, yeah. It’s, [00:54:00] it’s so interesting. I was just thinking about Deeyah Khan And Darryl David’s the same. And one of the things I noticed about their work is that, and I noticed it in yours too, is sometimes what happens in these sort of circumstances is that the people that they are exposed to might become the exception to the rule. Have you heard of the, the exception to the rule? So let’s say I meet someone who’s anti-Latino, but they’re like, but then they like me. And so they’ll do, like, you are all right. Speaker 4: Yeah. Gissele: I still don’t like other Latinos. Right. And so in the beginning that used to irk me so much. Right? Then I realized after watching all of this, information and I observed it in your show and I thought about it, is that’s the beginning of re humanization. Larry: I agree with that. It’s like it’s a dial, it’s not a switch. Yeah. Gissele: Yes. And so it begins with, oh, this is the exception to the rule, and then this next person’s the exception to the rule, and then this next person, and then, then the brain can’t handle it. Like how many exceptions to the rule can there [00:55:00] be? They couldn’t hold the exception to the rule anymore. Right. It had to be that their belief was wrong Right. Which is, it’s really interesting. And, and Larry: it’s another, another interesting thing I often say, which I get negative feedback about this statement that we don’t choose our beliefs. we don’t have any power over them. They just exist. Mm-hmm. And we can’t choose. Not if I think that. A certain race is dangerous to me. I can’t just choose not to. You can call me racist, whatever. I just can’t choose my thought about it. I have an experience. People have told me things. That’s my belief. That belief gets eroded. It doesn’t get changed. Gissele: Mm-hmm. It, Larry: it happens not consciously. Life experiences change our beliefs, we don’t just suddenly love white people. if we’ve experienced, brutality from white people or from white cops, you don’t just change your belief about it. You have to get, you have to slowly be [00:56:00] exposed. You have to, or be deeply exposed. so these types of things erode our other beliefs. Gissele: Mm-hmm. Larry: And, and my goal is not, you know, like Nancy came in, I would say as a nine or a 10 with her. Dislike for trans people when she left. Just to be clear, ’cause people I think are mistaken about this, who watch this show, she does not think still that trans people should be around kids. She still thinks it’s dangerous, but she thinks trans people themselves are okay. That they can be beautiful, that they do not belong in mental institutions. And as she said, I would drink outta the same glass from you Eve and I would protect you. So she went from a 10 to a seven, let’s say? Yeah. Gissele: Yeah. Larry: And she’s still out there. She still there. She used the word Gissele: she. Larry: Mm-hmm. Yeah. She used the word SHE and she’s still out there advocating for keeping trans people away from kids. and [00:57:00] people are like, so she’s a hypocrite. She’s, no, she has moved so far and. Eve moved toward, I shouldn’t paint Nancy as the wrong one. Eve moved toward Nancy understanding that Nancy really is worried about kids, and Nancy brought up some things that really concerned Eve when she heard it, about the exposure that kids have to various concepts. I guess my point is that people who get dialed down from a 10 to a six or a seven can deal with each other. They can run a society together. Mm-hmm. They don’t, they don’t invest all of their energy in defeating the other side, which is where all of our energy is now. I call it issues zero. You care about climate change, or you care about poverty, you care about mass migration, you care about nuclear per proliferation, you care about ai. Forget it. None of these are getting solved. Zero. Yeah. Unless we learn to cooperate with each other, and if [00:58:00] we’re dedicating all of our energy to defeating the other side, every single one of these issues goes unaddressed. And so my goal is to dial the vitriol down so that we can actually solve some human problems so that the next generation doesn’t inherit this mess that we’ve created. Gissele: Mm-hmm. You once said, I, I may be misquoting you, so please correct me. Revenge is a need for understanding. Can you explain that further? Larry: Yeah. I said that in in my TEDx, mm-hmm. if someone has been hurt by another person, they often seek revenge. And that desire for revenge will go away actually when they’re understood. If you’re under and you deny that you want to be understood by your enemy. You’d say like, that is baloney. they deserve to be punished and they need to be punished to provide disincentive for other people in society so that they don’t do this terrible thing. People [00:59:00] would deny that they want understanding from their enemy, but when they receive it, the desire for revenge goes away. I mean, I’ve seen that innumerable times. So how does the need for understanding help us live beyond the need to punish one another? Well, I think that if someone’s seeking revenge against you, if someone’s trying to injure you, you can unravel that by understanding them, whether we, people agree that that human beings seek revenge as a need or not, you can unravel it pretty, not easily, but you can pretty reliably. Very often people who seek revenge against each other, like in my mediations, once they’re understood by the other person, once they have some connection, They go through some kind of healing process with the other person. They don’t even understand why they were seeking revenge themselves, like they are [01:00:00] completely transformed. they were like, that would be a total travesty of justice if you were hurt Now. Gissele: Yeah. I love the fact that these conversations get at the core of human needs, which is they need to be seen, they need to be understood, they need to be loved, they need to be accepted, they need to be long. And so I think these conversations that you’re facilitating get to those needs, you kind of like go through all of the, the fluff to get to the, okay, what are the needs that need to be met? and how can we connect to one another through those needs? And then, and then from that, you go back to the conversation on the topic. And really it’s about fears at the core of it, right? Like the fear that my children are gonna be confused or forced into something or, the fear that somebody’s gonna have a say over my body and tell me that I have to do something. All of those fears are at the core and conversations get at those needs, not at the surface. Yeah. It’s not to say Larry: I should say that. It’s not to say that the fears are irrational. Yeah. They might be rational. But you know, it’s also a [01:01:00] self-fulfilling prophecy that if we fear somebody, they’re going to think of us as a threat. We’re gonna do stuff that creates the world that we fear. And it’s obvious with certain issues like between two peoples. You know, like if you fear that the other people are going to attack you, you might preemptively attack them or you might treat them in a, in a way that is really bad. And, and so you start this war and that happens between human beings on an individual basis and between peoples, yeah. It’s less obvious, with an issue, let’s say abortion. my fear is not creating the issue on the other side. but many of our interactions with other human beings, it is our fear that triggers them. We create the world we fear. Gissele: Yeah. And I think that goes back to the self-responsibility, right? to what extent are we responsible for looking at ourselves, looking at our biases, looking at our prejudice, looking at our fear and how our [01:02:00] fear is causing us to hurt other people. What responsibility do we have to engage in dialogue or be willing to see somebody’s humanity, right? It’s Larry: just this better strategy. Even if you think of it as, yeah, you know, people sometimes say these two sides. I get this criticism a lot, and this, by the way, these criticisms come from the left mostly that these two sides are not, are not Equivalent. Oh, okay. how could you equate Nancy and Eve, Eve just wants to live. Nancy’s trying to control her, the left views, the right is trying to control them and oppress them and so they’re not moral equivalent. And my point is always, I’m not making a point that they’re morally equivalent. That’s for you to decide, okay? If you want to. I’m saying morally judging them is not effective. It’s just not gonna produce the world that you want. So, you know, it’s just really effective [01:03:00] to hear them out, to take their concerns seriously, even if you think that it’s not fair. But you’ll then create the world you want. And if you don’t do that, if you poo poo them, even if they’re wrong, you believe they’re completely wrong, and you think that mm-hmm you know, there is good and evil and they are completely the evil one, you are going to exacerbate their evil by morally rebuking them. And I want to say that like as clearly as possible, I haven’t made this point e enough on the show. I’m really kind of building a base before I go into more sophisticated, what I would consider a more nuanced. Philosophy, but if you judge somebody, it is the greatest threat to a human being. Just understand that we evolved in groups and moral judgment was the way we got kicked out of groups. If you were a bad person, you were gone, you were dead. [01:04:00] And so all of us respond very, very negatively to being judged as selfish. I’ve had clients threaten to kill each other. Not as powerful

In this conversation, Jeff Schoep speaks about his recently published memoire, American Nazi - the story of his transformative journey from leading the National Socialist Movement to founding Beyond Barriers, an organization dedicated to helping individuals exit extremist groups. He discusses the challenges of writing his memoir, the psychological factors that contribute to radicalization, and the importance of human connections in overcoming hate. Schoep emphasizes the need for dialogue and understanding in combating extremism and shares insights from his current work in educating youth about the dangers of hate and the value of compassion.For over 2 decades, Schoep led America's largest neo-Nazi organization, the National Socialist Movement (NSM), overseeing its growth to a nationwide movement. Beginning in 2016, through interactions with a black musician, Daryl Davis, and a Muslim film maker, Deeyah Khan, Jeff began to question not only his work, but his entire life. Experiencing relational dialogue and interpersonal relationships with those he once vilified changed Jeff's life forever. In 2019, he left the the NSM and publicly denounced the ideology. Jeff Schoep transitioned from mastering propaganda that promoted hatred and fear dedication to speaking about our shared humanity. He provides unique insights into the inner workings of far-right extremism from first hand knowledge and personal experience. Jeff has spoken nationally and internationally, from synagogues to universities, from broadcasts to speaking at the Nobel Peace Center in Oslo, Norway with Deeyah Khan. In 2020, Jeff founded Beyond Barriers, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to a world devoid of extremism, radicalized organizations, hate, violence, coercive and violent ideologies. In addition to working alongside both community and government agencies, such as the Office of Juvenile Justice Department (OJJDP), Jeff and his organization, Beyond Barriers, have worked with the Simon Wiesenthal Center, RAND Corporation, International Center for the Study of Violent Extremism (ICSVE), mental health professionals, academic research and development teams, as well as religious and educational institutions across the United States and abroad. 

In this episode of "This Being Human," we sit down with Deeyah Khan, an acclaimed filmmaker and activist renowned for her transformative documentaries. Deeyah shares her remarkable journey from being a music artist to becoming a powerful voice against extremism through film. Growing up as a Norwegian of Pakistani descent, she faced significant cultural and racial challenges that shaped her worldview and ignited her passion for storytelling. Deeyah recounts her transition from music to filmmaking, driven by a desire to address critical social issues and humanize those often seen as enemies.Deeyah delves into her profound experiences engaging with white supremacists and jihadis, offering an unfiltered look at the roots of their beliefs and the power of empathy. Her films, including encounters with former extremists, have not only shed light on the psychology of hate but have also sparked moments of transformation for her subjects. Through heartfelt dialogue and unwavering courage, Deeyah's work demonstrates the possibility of change and understanding even in the most polarized situations.Throughout the conversation, Deeyah reflects on the importance of empathy, love, and humanizing others as acts of defiance and resistance. She discusses the personal impact of her work, including how motherhood has deepened her commitment to creating a better world. This episode offers a powerful exploration of art as activism and the enduring hope that comes from seeing beyond hatred to our shared humanity. Join us as we uncover the stories behind Deeyah Khan's impactful films and her unwavering belief in the transformative power of empathy.To learn more, visit deeyah.comTo fill out our listener survey, go to agakhanmuseum.org/tbhsurvey.If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, go to agakhanmuseum.org/thisbeinghuman.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today on The Social, Star Trek actor Zachary Quinto was called out on Instagram by a Toronto restaurant for reportedly yelling at staff. Then, creepy or cute? Victoria Beckham still has her son Brooklyn's baby teeth!  And, should home economics class be mandatory in high school? Then, apparently one in four relationships end over a grocery store fight!  And, birth control gel for men could be a reality. Then, Jennifer Lopez cancels her "This Is Me Now" tour. And, is it ever okay to ask someone when they plan to propose? Then, WNBA player Angel Reese was fined for not speaking to the media after Chicago Sky's loss to the Indiana Fever. Plus, award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan's firsthand experience with society's most violent extremists.

Motiverende intervju-ekspert Solveig Høeg-Krohn er dagens gjest. Hun forteller om hvordan hun bruker motiverende intervju-metoden med sine terapi-klienter. Vi snakker om - Hvordan regulere nervesystemet - Hvorfor må man først roe ned nervesystemet før man kan skape endring? - Forskjellige teknikker for å roe ned - Hvordan bruke motiverende intervju med venner og familie - Hvordan IKKE bruke motiverende intervju med venner og familie - Reflekterende lytting - Parterapi Dokumentarfilmen "White Right: Meeting the Enemy" eller "I møte med fienden" av Deeyah Khan er dessverre ikke tilgjengelig på nrk lenger, men kan sees på YouTube her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ0rhh5mbnA Nettsiden min: www.hermanegenberg.com Meld deg på nyhetsbrev her: hermanegenberg.ck.page/ Facebook-gruppa for gjester og lyttere: www.facebook.com/groups/2012989205661266 Motiverende øvelser og peptalks på Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/17FaRylnA…VMTH-rhXYZjCTNFA Takk til Akersborg/Banzai Love for jingle og Kristian Bjørge/Nitro for produksjon.

On December 7th The New Feminist joins forces with Deeyah Khan, Women's Voice's Now, Knock Out Abuse West and NYT best selling author and advocate Leslie Morgan Steiner for a special screening of Behind the Rage followed by a panel with the men and women who are fighting to end relationship abuse. Links and info about the event can be found on our website thenewfeminist.net. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thenewfeminist/support

On December 7th The New Feminist joins forces with Deeyah Khan, Women's Voices Now, Knock Out Abuse West and NYT best selling author and advocate Leslie Morgan Steiner for a special screening of Behind the Rage followed by a panel with the men and women who are fighting to end relationship abuse. Links and info about the event can be found on our website thenewfeminist.net. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thenewfeminist/support

We've been talking about Christian Nationalism quite a bit recently as we've been discussing Christian fundamentalism and other related topics. It got us to thinking about why people think and behave the way that they do, and the answers that we found in the doc were surprisingly deep and pretty heart-wrenching."White Right: Meeting the Enemy is a 2017 documentary directed by Deeyah Khan. Deeyah travels to the United States to meet with some of the country's most prominent neo-Nazis and white supremacist leaders to seek to understand the personal and political reasons behind the apparent resurgence of far-right extremism in America. She made the film after being interviewed on TV about multiculturalism for which she received many threats and hate speech on social media." - Wikipedia-Join us for as little as $5 a month on Patreon!-We have super fun merch, go take a look!-We'd love to see you in our Discord, come hang out!-Audio editing by Dallas Hernandez.-Sources:Watch for FREE herehttps://vimeo.com/661484608This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/4523794/advertisement

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Daryl Davis and Jeff Schoep are two of the most inspirational gentlemen I've ever met.  Both work at the forefront of a hands-on social movement aimed at building bridges of understanding and friendship ordinarily thought to be impossible.  Having had the opportunity to sit down with each of them individually (Davis Episode 24; Schoep Episode 29) they agreed to sit down with me at the same time to speak about what it will take to overcome the growing factionalism in our society.Daryl Davis has worked to improve race relations by seeking out, engaging in dialogue with, and befriending members of the Ku Klux Klan. In 1983, he was playing country western music in a "white" bar in Frederick, Maryland, when a patron came up to him and said it was the first time he had "heard a black man play as well as Jerry Lee Lewis". Davis explained to the man that "Jerry Lee learned to play from black blues and boogie-woogie piano players and he's a friend of mine". The white patron was skeptical and over a drink admitted he was a member of the KKK. The two became friends and eventually the man gave Davis contact information on KKK leaders.A few years later, Davis decided that he wanted to interview Klan members and write a book on the subject, to answer a "question in my head from the age of 10: 'Why do you hate me when you know nothing about me?' That question had never been answered from my youth".Davis eventually went on to befriend over twenty members of the KKK, and claims to have been directly responsible for between forty and sixty, and indirectly over two hundred people leaving the Klan.Over the course of his activities, Davis found that Klansmen have many misconceptions about black people, stemming mostly from intense brainwashing in their youth. When they got to know him, Davis claims, it was more difficult to maintain their prejudices. The artist has recounted his experiences in his 1998 book, Klan-destine Relationships: A Black Man's Odyssey in the Ku Klux Klan.Davis is not on a mission to "convert" bigots, white supremacists, Klansmen, or Nazis. Rather because of the earnest respect he offers all human beings and his core beliefs in the power of love, respect, fairness and his willingness to listen and find the heart of "the other," people are moved and transformed.  Over 200 Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and others who belong to organizations that preach hate have chosen to leave those organizations and give Daryl their robes, flags, insignia, and other symbols of hate. https://www.daryldavis.com/https://twitter.com/RealDarylDavisJeff Schoep, once America's most notorious neo-Nazi, now a consultant for the Simon Wiesenthal Center and an inspirational speaker for Conscious Campus, tirelessly holds keynote talks, lectures, and workshops from his unique vantage point. For over 2 decades, Schoep led America's largest neo-Nazi organization, the National Socialist Movement (NSM), overseeing its growth to a nationwide movement. Beginning in 2016, through interactions with a black musician, Daryl Davis, and a Muslim film maker, Deeyah Khan, Jeff began to question not only his work, but his entire life. Experiencing relational dialogue and interpersonal relationships with th

Thomas talks with award-winning documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan about her experience of interviewing extremists. Rather than dismissing them as unreachable fanatics, Deeyah has decided to engage them directly as human beings, with respect for our common humanity. She and Thomas reflect on how to remain hopeful and empathetic amidst the social divisiveness of our time. Multi-award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan has directed documentaries such as “Banaz: A Love Story (2012)” and “White Right: Meeting The Enemy (2017)”, which have shed light on the heartbreaking reality of discrimination and violence while telling people's compelling stories through a loving lens. Dehumanizing others causes us to lose our humanity. Do you have the courage to open your mind and remain hopeful for change? Key Points: 2:57 Deeyah's purpose in filmmaking 12:56 Why the focus on dark, brutal topics? 17:57 When the unexpected becomes a lifesaver 21:51 Authenticity is healing 24:59 Dehumanizing others means dehumanizing yourself 29:20 On making “White Right” 38:51 Change is always possible 43:43 Extremism lures the broken 49:50 Learn to sit with the darkness 52:55 Love conquers all 59:46 One simple step creates the biggest impact 1:03:09 Dealing with a polarized world --------------- Deeyah Khan is a Norwegian multi-awarded documentary film director and human rights activist. Her debut film, Banaz: A Love Story (2012) won an Emmy and a Peabody. She is the founder and CEO of Fuuse, a leading documentary film and digital media company for broadcasters and live events. She is also the founder and editor-in-chief of Sister-Hood Magazine, spotlighting the diverse voices of women of Muslim heritage. She became the UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador for Artistic Freedom and Creativity in 2016. Website: deeyah.com Twitter: @Deeyah_Khan  Instagram: @deeyahkhan Facebook: facebook.com/Deeyah.deeyah --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

Robin unmasks the slick public-relations "corporatization" of feminism, and exposes its cruel realities. Special Guest: award-winning documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan and her new film, Behind the Rage: America's Domestic Violence.

Philosophy Podcast ⁃ Wonderment and Awe https://www.habitsofmindinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Leader-HOM-Explanation.pdf Habits of Mind provide the framework for developing dispositions leaders use when confronted with problems and situations to which the answer is not immediately apparent. When leaders draw upon these dispositions when working with their colleagues, they both model and invite interdependence and innovation. ⁃ You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes https://open.spotify.com/show/7bgRTVlU1rafqCEdXe71Jo?si=1CA0QRFxQ9a0mK0R4VH20A podcast description: Everybody has secret weirdness, Pete Holmes gets comedians to share theirs. ⁃ 100 Humans on Netflix https://fb.watch/hOS1OQ36lH/?mibextid=v7YzmG ⁃ Therapist Resources for Sioux Falls Area https://www.thehoodmagazine.com/2022/01/18/387727/2022-sioux-falls-area-counseling-and-therapy-directory https://www.605strong.com ⁃ “Extreme Listening with Deeyah Khan” from ‘A Bit of Optimism' https://open.spotify.com/episode/6AzYlGUns8MmNVB3rwNWCZ?si=yD6FApdxT5moNttxJJEsvQ Podcast description: Extreme listening are two words that don't usually go together. But there is no other way to describe what Deeyah Khan does. A Muslim woman, she made a documentary, White Right: Meeting the Enemy, about spending time with white supremacists. Her results were so profound, it raises the question, what if we all had the capacity for extreme listening? This is…A  Bit of Optimism. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/TDG-80-8-industries/support

Geena Davis is a two-time Academy award-winning actress, known for her role as Thelma in Thelma & Louise, among countless other parts she has played. She joins Jessica Creighton to talk about her impressive career as an actress, athlete and model – as well as why she's such a champion of female representation in media, and why she chose the title of her new memoir, ‘Dying of Politeness'. Anne Sacoolas on Thursday admitted causing the death of 19 year old motorcyclist Harry Dunn in August 2019. Harry's mother Charlotte spoke to Anita Rani about how she's feeling after the trial, and how her and Harry's family have kept up the fight for justice over the last three years. Choreographer Jasmin Vardimon talks to Jessica Creighton about her new production, ALiCE, inspired by Alice in Wonderland, and looks at how current cultural themes that we wouldn't expect, including how women change through puberty and the menopause, are central to the classic story. Domestic abuse figures in England and Wales are going up. Woman's Hour has been hearing about sides of the issue we don't really talk about. Winifred Robinson, presenter of the Radio 4 series, ‘Boy in the Woods' talks to Krupa Pahdy about what it is that makes women want to stay with their abusers – and filmmaker Deeyah Khan tells Jessica Creighton about her new documentary, ‘Behind the Rage', which focuses on the men who are violent towards their partners. Presenter: Anita Rani Producer: Lottie Garton

Jasmin Vardimon is one of the UK's leading choreographers and was awarded an MBE for services to dance in the late Queen's final birthday honours list in June. This month Jasmin is bringing ALiCE - a new interpretation of Lewis Carroll's classic Alice in Wonderland - to the Sadler's Wells. She is also opening a purpose-built dance centre in Kent where the Jasmin Vardimon Company will be based. She joins Jessica to talk about her work. Deeyah Khan is an Emmy, Bafta and Peabody winning filmmaker. Deeyah's films have previously covered topics such as abortion in America, white supremacy, and why people become terrorists. Her latest film looks at domestic violence in the United States, hearing from voices rarely heard on the topic, the men who perpetrate violence towards their partners. Deeyah joins Jessica. Baroness Casey's interim report into the Metropolitan Police's disciplinary procedures has found that hundreds of Met police officers have been getting away with misconduct and even breaking the law. The new Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has today called for officers to be sacked, after the report found that their internal disciplinary system is racist and misogynist, and allegations of sexual misconduct or discrimination are less likely to result in a case to answer than other claims. It also found that repeat misconduct offenders have remained in post, with just 13 out of 1,809 officers with more than one case against them being sacked since 2013. Jessica speaks to Shabnam Chaudri, formerly a Detective Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police. Membership of the Women's International Motorcycle Association has increased by 50% in the last two years. And the world's largest all-female biker meet took place in Leicestershire this summer, with over 1,500 women in attendance. But why is the number of female motorcyclists accelerating? Jessica talks to Karina Artun AKA Bike Like a Mum on Instagram, who started learning to ride in lockdown, and Sheonagh Ravensdale, Communications Director of the British Motorcyclists Federation. Women are selling sex to cope with the cost of living crisis, according to the English Collective of Prostitutes who have seen call levels to their helpline rise by a third in the last few months. Many women are turning to sex work for the first time, while others are returning, having left it behind. Pregnant Then Screwed have also been contacted by women in a similar position. Jessica speaks to a sex worker called Evie and Niki Adams of the English Collective of Prostitutes, a network of sex workers and supporters campaigning for the decriminalisation of prostitution.

I see a lot of behaviors in schools that are contributed to the trauma or environment that students are experiencing. I work sometimes one-on-one with this students who are going through a lot at home. I have seen a range of behaviors from throwing chairs, running off campus, screaming, making silly noises, kicking, pulling hair, or spitting on you, withdraw or shut down, you name it. All students whether they are on the autism spectrum or just have a lot of trauma or just having a rough day, they all have needs just like we do as an adult. It can be really hard to accompany these students when each one may need something different. I don't see students as a bad person or think that they are trying to get attention, I get curious and I truly care about what they are needing. I am there to support them in any way that I can. If we bring our judgements to the table then it makes it really hard to be present with our students. I remember that they need so much compassion, grace, kindness, love and a listening ear because some may not get that at home.  NVC has helped me so much with meeting these students where they are at and having the language to create a safe dialogue with them when they are escalated or when they have calmed down. Most often then not, I am empathically listening and giving them a reflection on what they said so they know I understand them and believe their experience. Believing ones experience doesn't mean I agree, it means I am believing their experience as their truth. Once I can do this, we can work towards problem solving together or resolving a conflict using feelings and needs and do-able requests. Adinah and I get to talk about what is going on with student behavior and how we can use a different lens to understand in a deeper way what is going on for these students. Trauma can have a huge impact on students. Trauma can impact the classroom and teachers. I have witnessed how trauma affects learning and growth in the classroom and I hope that I can make a small change in the way I communicate to hold space for these students.   Resources:Adinah Barlow WebsitePodcast – Project Relationship YouAdinah Barlow Facebook 1) Paul D Maclean - Triune brain theory 2) Book: The Gift of Fear - By: Gavin de Becker3) Book:  Fostering Resilient Learners (Strategies for creating a Trauma-Sensitive Classroom)By: Kristin Souers with Pete Hall. 4) Video: Red Table Talk - Jada Smith, Deeyah Khan, Dr. Ibram X. KendiCONTACT INFORMATION:Email: Livingconnected.nvc@gmail.comInstagram: livingconnectednvcLiving Connected Facebook PageWebsite: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1153175Music is brought to you by: https://www.purple-planet.com/

With one hate crime committed every hour and multiple mass shootings happening every day in the US, Red Table Talk gathers a special group of leading voices to reveal the roots of hatred and extreme violence. Jeff Schoep, a reformed leader of the biggest neo-Nazi group in America, reveals what made him leave 27 years of carnage behind. Award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan shares what she learned sitting face-to-face with the most violent extremists in the world. Dr. Ibram X. Kendi, a top anti-racism researcher explains the shocking age when hate can begin. Dr. Jillian Peterson, who led the largest study of mass shooters, takes us inside the minds of killers with eye-opening facts about what they all have in common. NFL player Zach Banner shares how he became an ally after a vicious hate crime ravaged the city where he played. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Harry Garside is an Australian boxer who won bronze at the Tokyo Olympics - the first Olympic medal in boxing for Australia in 33 years. But to simply describe Harry Garside as a champion boxer, would be to sell him waaaaaaay short.Because Harry is also a ballet dancer, a plumber and the guy who asked to wear a dress at the Olympic Opening Ceremony with the desire of defying gender stereotypes (request denied).But above all of that, Harry embodies everything we preach on The Imperfects. Vulnerability. Embracing our imperfections. And just men bloody talking about the emotional shit and stuff.To listen to the podcast with Deeyah Khan that Harry recommends, please follow the link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-kunkEfHiLISee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Harry Garside is an Australian boxer who won bronze at the Tokyo Olympics - the first Olympic medal in boxing for Australia in 33 years. But to simply describe Harry Garside as a champion boxer, would be to sell him waaaaaaay short. Because Harry is also a ballet dancer, a plumber and the guy who asked to wear a dress at the Olympic Opening Ceremony with the desire of defying gender stereotypes (request denied). But above all of that, Harry embodies everything we preach on The Imperfects. Vulnerability. Embracing our imperfections. And just men bloody talking about the emotional shit and stuff. To listen to the podcast with Deeyah Khan that Harry recommends, please follow the link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-kunkEfHiLI

Coming out of pandemic-induced restrictions has caused more than a few of us to feel unfamiliar or unacquainted with having connections with people! Are you feeling socially awkward lately as well? So how do we build or rebuild connection? How can we have encounters that are meaningful? (So sorry about the choppy audio! The mic setup was a bit funny. Will change it for next time.) Atlas of the Heart, Brene Brown https://brenebrown.com/book/atlas-of-the-heart/ How many hours does it take to make a friend? J.A Hall (2018) Journal of Social and Personal Relationships https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0265407518761225?journalCode=spra Simon Sinek podcast: Extreme listening with Deeyah Khan https://open.spotify.com/episode/6AzYlGUns8MmNVB3rwNWCZ?si=HyDcGV-4SDCmFbwQQmyYBg The Gottman Institute https://www.gottman.com/about/research/couples/ Big Talk https://www.makebigtalk.com/videos/ Follow us on instagram @freeforacatchup_podcast or email freeforacatchuppodcast@gmail.com Theme music credit: Give me some answers, The New Fools, sourced from: Epidemic Sound https://www.epidemicsound.com/ Disclaimer: All opinions are our own and do not strictly represent the opinions of our religious affiliation (although you'd hope they align with our beliefs, and we definitely endeavour to have a Christian faith-based frame of reference).

Da hun laget filmen om amerikanske høyreekstreme, ble hun omringet av voldelige nynazister i fjellene i Virginia i USA og trodde det skulle ende galt. Hun var gravid, og ingen visste hvor hun var. Filmskaperen er en modig og uhyre viktig utøver av kunstnerisk ytringsfrihet. Hør episoden i appen NRK Radio

Fritt Ord-prisen til filmskaper Deeyah Khan. Abid Raja fikk bokhandlerprisen. Leif Ekle anmelder "Havets kirkegård". Ekte Squid Game til Italia. Hør episoden i appen NRK Radio

Deeyah Khan joins On Docs to discuss Muslim in America: Legacy of Fear, which explores the discrimination faced by Muslims in a post-9/11 world. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to On Docs, TVO's podcast about the stories documentaries tell. Join Colin Ellis and Nam Kiwanuka as they explore fascinating films with the creators who bring them to life. New episodes start October 8th. Can't get enough of documentaries and the diverse stories they tell? Make a donation today at www.tvo.org/supportpods to support TVO's On Docs podcast. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan's latest offering, "Muslim in America: Legacy of Fear," looks at how American attitudes towards Muslims have become increasingly intolerant. The film, making its North American premier on TVO, presents people from both sides of the divide. Khan join us to talk about her findings. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When people see Deeyah Khan's documentary about white supremacists, they tell her, "The real problem is jihad. You should spend time with jihadists." She says, "I did." Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained. Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan grew tired of receiving death threats from white supremacists so she traveled to a Detroit motel to meet up with one. Transcript at vox.com/todayexplained. Support Today, Explained by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, host Nelufar Hedayat examines France's Laïcite or "secularism" laws, which discourage religious involvement in public life. First she speaks about experiences wearing the hijab in Western Europe with members of Collectif Les 100 Diplômées, a Belgian group that supports Muslim women. Then French lawmaker Aurore Bergé  discusses why she believes that restricting where the hijab can be worn is an act of feminism. Finally, award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan talks about her experiences as a prominent Muslim woman, and her frustrations over regulating Muslim attire.

Episode 83 of Guestbook Podcast. Recorded the week of Inauguration 2021. Back in Washington, DC for the third time in as many months recording footage/interviews for their upcoming documentary investigating the deep polarizations within present-day America, Thisara Pinto and Leela Dunn--Film Director and Film Producer with Spektral Ink Films--join Innkeeper Freddie on Guestbook Podcast to give an update/follow-up since their previous stay during the 2020 Election. This is the second of two Guestbook Podcast interviews with Thisara & Leela. If you haven’t already, be sure to check out part 1 (Episode 82) where we introduce Thisara & Leela, their respective backgrounds and the genesis of their upcoming documentary. Deeyah Khan’s “White Right: Meeting the Enemy” (trailer) - https://youtu.be/KpWUZ3NG_Do Guest Internets: @spektralinkfilms (IG) Recorded at Union Inn in the heart of Washington, DC, Guestbook Podcast is hosted by world-famous conversationalist and host-extraordinaire Innkeeper Freddie. Join him weekly as he interviews the myriad of guests who visit his home/inn. IG: @guestbookpod | @unioninndc | @innkeeperfreddie W: http://unioninndc.com E: innkeeper@unioninndc.com

In this episode, we touch on the following topics: Dreamwork and embodiment, SARS and Corona, Hamid Zafar and Deeyah Khan on "A bit of optimism" with Simon Sinek, polarization, shadow side. The episode was recorded on 20201018.

Air Date 5/3/2019 Today we take a look at several topics that, at first glance, may seem to be unrelated but that I think are all tied together with a thread that runs through all of them and points the way toward The Great Transition we are currently in the middle of. Be part of the show! Leave us a message at 202-999-3991 or email Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com  Get AD FREE Shows & Bonus Content: Support our show on Patreon! SHOW NOTES Ch. 1: Henry Giroux: Trump is the endpoint on cruelty and isolation in American politics - @thisishellradio - Air Date 4-15-17 Cultural critic Henry Giroux examines the slow, steady rise of cruelty in American culture - as the logic of neoliberalism strips our politics of anything besides self-regard, and the right capitalizes on the anger caused by its own policies Ch. 2: Johann Hari To Treat Depression, Provide Meaningful Work, Housing & a Basic Income, Not Just Drugs - @DemocracyNow - Air Date 02-02-18 An extended conversation with Johann Hari, author of a controversial new book, “Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression—and the Unexpected Solutions.” Ch. 3: Roots of Extremism with Deeyah Khan - The Ezra Klein Show - Air Date 3-11-19 Deeyah Khan is a British documentary filmmaker and human rights activist. She’s the creator of two extraordinary films airing on Netflix right now, White Right: Meeting the Enemy and Jihad: A Story of the Others. Ch. 4: The Cure To Loneliness - Sustainable Human - Air Date 2-3-18 Loneliness is almost baked into the cake as far as a modern society with the kind of social setup and infrastructure and economic system that we have today. Ch. 5: Gar Alperovitz: Building a Pluralist economy that supports human needs - @theLFshow w @GRITlaura Flanders - Air Date 7-26-17 Laura talks with author/activist Gar Alperovitz. From the gloom of today, he sees the principles of a Pluralist Commonwealth emerging. Ch. 6: Gar Alperovitz on the economic movement already underway - @RalphNader Radio Hour - Air Date 6-24-17 It’s time to build new economic institutions that are democratic but also–critically–give us a new power base as well in the communities around the country. Ch. 7: Utopias in history and the need to rekindle utopian thinking - History Extra - Air Date 3-16-17 Rutger Bregman discusses some of his ideas that recently caused a global sensation and the role of a historian in the modern world VOICEMAILS Ch. 8: Progressives have always had to drag liberals along - V from Central New York FINAL COMMENTS Ch. 9: Final comments on the need to spread the word about our failing institutions to bolster support for fundamental reform MUSIC (Blue Dot Sessions): Opening Theme: Loving Acoustic Instrumental by John Douglas Orr  Astrisx - Bodytonic Quaver - Codebreaker Moon Bicycle Theme - American Moon Bicycle One Little Triumph - Piano Mover Donder - Darby Take a Tiny Train - Ray Catcher Voicemail Music: Low Key Lost Feeling Electro by Alex Stinnent Closing Music: Upbeat Laid Back Indie Rock by Alex Stinnent   Produced by Jay! Tomlinson Thanks for listening! Visit us at BestOfTheLeft.com Support the show via Patreon Listen on iTunes | Stitcher | Spotify | Alexa Devices | +more Check out the BotL iOS/Android App in the App Stores! Follow at Twitter.com/BestOfTheLeft Like at Facebook.com/BestOfTheLeft Contact me directly at Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com Review the show on iTunes and Stitcher!

Award-winning film director Deeyah Khan talks about why she spent months of her life talking to white supremacists, Islamic extremists, and anti-abortionists, plus she gives some incredible insights into what drives them and what could reduce the levels of polarisation. This podcast is produced by Compassion in Politics, the think tank that works to bring more compassion into public life and is distributed by The Real Agenda Network of podcasts for political change. www.compassioninpolitics.com  www.realagenda.org

Award-winning film director Deeyah Khan talks about why she spent months of her life talking to white supremacists, Islamic extremists, and anti-abortionists, plus she gives some incredible insights into what drives them and what could reduce the levels of polarisation. This podcast is produced from Compassion in Politics, the think tank that works to bring more compassion into public life and is distributed by The Real Agenda Network of podcasts for progressive change. www.compassioninpolitics.com  www.realagenda.org

Filmmaker Deeyah Khan talks about her recent ITV documentaries looking at abortion in America and the impact of Donald Trump's presidency on Muslims; and In My Skin creator Kayleigh Llewellyn and director Lucy Forbes discuss the Welsh BBC3 coming-of-age drama tackling mental health.

Too often, for better and worse, we label people. Myself included. We say this person is good and honest. Or we say this person is bad and stupid. We must stop doing this and instead separate the person from the action. And yes, someone can have done more bad things than good things but that doesn't mean they are ultimately evil. In order to heal society we must learn this distinction. This is what I talk about in this episode. An example I bring up is a film called White Right which is a 2017 documentary film by two-time Emmy- and Peabody Award-winning director Deeyah Khan. Deeyah travels to the United States to meet with some of the country's most prominent neo-Nazis and white supremacist leaders to seek to understand the personal and political reasons behind the apparent resurgence of far-right extremism in America. She made the film after being interviewed on TV about multiculturalism for which she received many threats and hate speech on social media. The fascinating part about this to me is this documentary serves as a template to heal our nation because one of the leaders she got to know closely actually changed his mind and is no longer a white supremacist. For more on this, check out Deeyah's interview with Simon Sinek: https://simonsinek.com/discover/episode-11-extreme-listening-with-deeyah-khan/. BUT, this notion also benefits us on a day to day level, which I also go over. So listen and afterwards, please feel free to ask questions or offer opinions of your own, whether down in the comment section or by hitting me up on social media @PhilSvitek. Lastly, for more free resources from your 360 creative coach, check out my website at http://philsvitek.com.

PANARCHY – With Wes Bertrand, Integral Theory Part 3 [PODCAST #680] https://schoolsucksproject.com/panarchy-with-wes-bertrand-integral-theory-part-3-podcast-680/ Panarchy: The Political Paradigm of an Integral Society, Bryan O'Doherty http://www.integralworld.net/odoherty1.html http://www.integralworld.net/odoherty2.html http://www.integralworld.net/odoherty7.html Panarchy; The Integral Global Operating System for the 21st Century | Brodoland https://brodoland.wordpress.com/2018/01/09/panarchy-the-integral-global-operating-system-for-the-21st-century/ Complete Liberty Podcast Episode 27 - Rights, choice, governance, and the psychology of statism https://completeliberty.libsyn.com/episode_27_rights_choice_governance_and_the_psychology_of_statism Valarie Kaur - Breathe! Push! The Labor of Revolutionary Love | Bioneers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIrl_Ob0jvg https://valariekaur.com/see-no-stranger/ https://revolutionaryloveproject.com what all lawyers need to grok to assist in achieving a peaceful and healthy world... http://completeliberty.com/integration/ Deeyah Khan - Befriending the ‘Other’: Seeing Beyond Extremists https://collectivetraumasummit.com https://deeyah.com/about-deeyah/ [Trailer] White Right: Meeting The Enemy. The Emmy winning and Bafta-nominated film by Deeyah Khan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpWUZ3NG_Do Meeting the Enemy…And Others We Don’t Agree With https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNXV-UGStJU https://www.ted.com/talks/deeyah_khan_what_we_don_t_know_about_europe_s_muslim_kids The (extraordinarily extensive!) Embodiment Conference: https://portal.theembodimentconference.org/schedule intro music by Ludovico Einaudi - Experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN_q-_nGv4U

Integrating the Organization – With Wes Bertrand – Part 2 of 4 [PODCAST #676] https://schoolsucksproject.com/integrating-the-organization-with-wes-bertrand-part-2-of-4-podcast-676/ comprehensive page explaining Integral Theory... https://integraleuropeanconference.com/integral-theory/ Joe Rogan Experience #1508 - Peter Schiff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK2zgeJLVwU [Trailer] White Right: Meeting The Enemy. The Emmy winning and Bafta-nominated film by Deeyah Khan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpWUZ3NG_Do Meeting the Enemy…And Others We Don’t Agree With https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNXV-UGStJU https://www.ted.com/talks/deeyah_khan_what_we_don_t_know_about_europe_s_muslim_kids intro music Dietro Casa by Ludovico Einaudi https://youtu.be/7uLpg6r37N

World Without Hate seeks to replace hate and violence with empathy and love, restoring peace through storytelling and empathy education. They called together a panel of speakers from different storytelling backgrounds exploring the ways that empathy and stories help us connect with others. Through the transformative power of compassion, World Without Hate invited us to renew feelings of hope and empowerment in the face of divisive rhetoric and rising hate crimes across our nation. Come together to explore the possibility of a world without hate, and reflect on the important tools that we all can utilize to build bridges and make connections. Rais Bhuiyan is the Founder and President of World Without Hate, an international motivational speaker, and a human rights advocate. Ten days after 9/11, a white supremacist in Dallas shot Rais from point blank range. And ten years after the shooting, Rais was able to respond to his hate and violence with forgiveness, empathy, and love. He led what became an international campaign to try and save his attacker from death row. Mark Wright is an award-winning anchor for KING 5, the NBC affiliate for Seattle. He is a four-time Emmy winner for his work as a documentary producer, anchor, and reporter. A native Washingtonian, Mark is a dedicated servant leader including as Rotary Club of Seattle President in 2017/18 and as a current board member of World Without Hate. Deeyah Khan is a two-time Emmy Award-winning and twice BAFTA-nominated documentary film director. For her most recent film, White Right: Meeting the Enemy, Khan travelled to the United States to film with neo-Nazis, including attending the now-infamous Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. She is also the founder of Fuuse, a media and arts company that puts women, people from minorities, and third-culture kids at the heart of telling their own stories. Presented by Town Hall Seattle and World Without Hate. To become a Town Hall member or make a donation click here or text TOWN HALL to 44321. 

A quick review of the important takeaways from my discussion with Prof. Lewis Gordon.Deeyah Khan, White Right: Meeting the Enemy:https://youtu.be/rxP4B374Os8The Guardian, “‘It’s not fair, not right’: How America treats its black farmers”: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/30/america-black-farmers-louisiana-sugarcaneNew York Times 1619 Podcast:“Land of Our Fathers, Part 1”: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/podcasts/1619-slavery-sugar-farm-land.html“Land of Our Fathers, Part 2”: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/podcasts/1619-slavery-farm-loan-discrimination.htmlRobert Evans, “Behind the Police” podcast: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-behind-the-police-63877803/Louisville Courier-Journal, "Three Percenters plan 'boots on the ground' in Louisville to counter black militia":https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/07/23/three-percenters-plan-response-nfac-march-louisville/5491690002/NPR, "CAHOOTS: How Social Workers and Police Share Responsibilities in Eugene, Oregon":https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/874339977/cahoots-how-social-workers-and-police-share-responsibilities-in-eugene-oregonDemocracy May Not Exist, But We’ll Miss It When It’s Gone, by Astra Taylor:https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250179845Red Pepper, interview with Chantal Mouffe and Ernesto Laclau, “Heats, Minds and Radical Democracy”: https://www.redpepper.org.uk/hearts-minds-and-radical-democracy/The Guardian, “Human brain is predisposed to negative stereotypes, study finds”:https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/nov/01/human-brain-is-predisposed-to-negative-stereotypes-new-study-suggestsThe American Conservative, “How Police Became A Standing Army”:https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-police-became-a-standing-army/Ibram X. Kendi on DemocracyNow:https://youtu.be/_oQXki0hG9wJeff Schoep at NYU, The Veritas Forum:https://youtu.be/xP8bP4hs1p0Music by Chafouin, licensed through Creative Commons:https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Chafouin/a_suffa_comme_i/Chafouin_-_a_suffa_comme_i_-_01_Jessica_92Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/PoliteiaPod

Extreme listening are two words that don't usually go together. But there is no other way to describe what Deeyah Khan does. A Muslim woman, she made a documentary, White Right: Meeting the Enemy, about spending time with white supremacists. Her results were so profound, it raises the question, what if we all had the capacity for extreme listening? This is…A  Bit of Optimism. YouTube: http://youtube.com/simonsinekFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinekLinkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinekPinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/officialsimonsinek/

Extreme listening are two words that don’t usually go together. But there is no other way to describe what Deeyah Khan does. A Muslim woman, she made a documentary, White Right: Meeting the Enemy, about spending time with white supremacists. Her results were so profound, it raises the question, what if we all had the capacity for extreme listening? This is…A  Bit of Optimism. YouTube: http://youtube.com/simonsinekFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinekLinkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinekPinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/officialsimonsinek/

One of the top documentary filmmakers who knows how to get right to the core of the matter and ask the questions no one else dares to ask. Her bravery and compassion on the frontlines of her topics have led to her receiving awards and recognition from the industry and her peers. Deeyah Khan's films on women's issues and White supremacy are a must see!

In this episode Dr. Valente and Dr. Roemer discuss Deeyah Khan's 2017 Emmy-winning documentary White Right: Meeting the Enemy, and the historical parallels in the rise of anti-Semitism in moments of crisis in Germany in the 1930s and during the current COVID-19 pandemic. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/ackermancenter/message

“The whole purpose of making the film for me was I wanted to try and see if I can understand them, and I want to see if they’re able to understand me…I know I’m not going to change my views and I know he’s not going to change his, but can we at least get to a point where…can I recognize their humanity? And in doing so, can they recognize mine?” -Deeyah Khan, Award-Winning Documentary Film DirectorDeeyah Khan is an Emmy and Peabody award-winning documentary film director, and founder of Fuuse, a media and arts company that puts women, people from minorities, and third-culture kids at the heart of telling their own stories. Deeyah is working to create intercultural dialogue and understanding by confronting the world's most complex and controversial topics.Her 2012 multi-award winning documentary, Banaz: A Love Story, chronicles the life and death of Banaz Mahmod, a young British Kurdish woman murdered by her family in a so-called honor killing. Khan's second film, the Grierson and Bafta award-nominated Jihad, involved two years of interviews and filming with Islamic extremists, convicted terrorists and former jihadis. Her most recent documentary White Right: Meeting the Enemy, where she spends months getting to know neo-nazis, is currently streaming on Netflix. Her 2016 TED talk has over a million views.In the process of making these documentaries and throughout her life as a brown woman, Deeyah has been spit on, held at gun point, and received countless rape and death threats. Yet she still walked away from these films with optimism and hope for humanity. In this interview of Stories of Transformation, we get to understand why that is.A few highlights of our conversation are:-Why some people respond to injustice with violence while others, like Deeyah, respond with picking up a camera-How Deeyah ended up in a crappy Chinese buffet in NYC right after receiving an Emmy for her first ever film Banaz-What powerful insights Deeyah learned through spending months interviewing Neo-Nazis, Jihads, and other extremists-How Deeyah overcame her fear when face to face with her biggest enemies-What happened when she joined some white supremacists at one of their rallies-The number one thing she learned about how we should engage with those that have a completely different worldview than ourselves-Who (or what), Deeyah learned, is actually our greatest enemyRead full show notes here.Connect with Deeyah KhanTwitter: https://twitter.com/Deeyah_KhanInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/deeyahkhan/Website: https://deeyah.com/Follow/Support Stories of Transformation and Baktash Ahadi:https://www.baktashahadi.com/supporthttps://www.instagram.com/stories_of_transformation/https://www.facebook.com/Stories-of-Transformation-110335937120068/Produced by: Dana DrahosEdited by: Joseph Gangemi

In this week's episode of the Jackson Hole Connection, Stephan visits with Heather DeVine.  Stephan and Heather talk about her non-profit People Spread Love. People Spread Love is changing how people can make a positive impact in the lives of people who need love and support. To directly connect with Heather, email hello@peoplespreadlove.com. Find out more about People Spread Love at https://peoplespreadlove.com/ (PeopleSpreadLove.com ) Like & comment https://www.facebook.com/peoplespreadlove/ (Facebook.com/PeopleSpreadLove) Twitter @PeopleSpreadLuv Links to info mentioned in the interview: Heather's SuperHero - https://malala.org/malalas-story (Malala Yousafzai) https://www.stjohnsjackson.org/mindfulness-for-mamas/ (Mindfulness for Mamas) https://www.stjohnsjackson.org/conversation-for-men/ (Conversations for Men) Book - https://www.amazon.com/Momfulness-Mothering-Mindfulness-Compassion-Grace/dp/0787981974/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2CQNGMVRFYMKB&keywords=momfulness&qid=1579716509&sprefix=momful%2Caps%2C219&sr=8-1 (Momfulness: Mothering with Mindfulness, Compassion, and Grace) YouTube Videos Referenced - https://youtu.be/TOyNTDJCTZE (Banaz - A love story presented by Deeyah Khan) https://youtu.be/0_W0HFy9Et4 (Deehay Khan TedEx presentation - What We Don't Know About Europe's Muslim Kids and Why We Should Care) This week's sponsor is Jackson Hole Marketplace! Check them out at https://www.jhmarketplace.com/ (JHMarketplace.com) https://www.jhmarketplace.com/ () Want to be a guest on The Jackson Hole Connection? Email us at connect@thejacksonholeconnection.com  Music in this episode is provided by Luke Taylor. The Jackson Hole Connection is edited by https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelmoeri (Michael Moeri). Website and social media support by http://hiretana.com/ (Tana Hoffman).

Sökum veikinda og prófatíðar hefur meðlimum hlaðvarpsins ekki tekist að setjast niður í nokkurn tíma. Eyþór og Þórarinn ákveða því að fá Ívar Elí aftur í heimsókn. Hlaðvarpið er að mestu óundirbúið og tekur á eftirfarandi málefnum:NeysluhyggjuLoftslagsmálumKapítalismaAfhverju vinstri-flokkar gáfust upp á verkafólkiKynþáttahatri (Deeyah Khan og Daryl Davis)Hillary ClintonSameiningu pólitískra hópa.Góða skemmtun.

This week on The #GSPodcast Stephen Knight talks to former commander of the American National Socialists, Jeff Schoep (@SchoepJeff). They talk: Banning extremist groups, Nazi ideology, the scale of the problem, doxing, Donald Trump, Richard Spencer, punching Nazis, meeting Deeyah Khan and more! Support the podcast at http://www.patreon.com/gspellchecker Also available on iTunes, Stitcher, YouTube & Spotify. #GSPodcast Theme by Dorian Silk & The MCH

Let’s Rage Together Podcast — Recently Carnism Debunked (George Martin - also of Anonymous for the Voiceless) made a “debunking” video of our 11th episode. This is our response. We discuss a range of ideas such as “carnism”, “men’s rights”, centrism, intersectionality, consistent anti-oppression, fascism, feminism, Trump, circumcision, consent, privilege, the gender binary, conscription, patriarchy, domestic violence, Anarchism and veganism. Content warning: racism, homophobia, ableism, sexism, sexual assault, domestic violence, genital mutilation, suicide, Islamaphobia, Anti-semitism, misogyny For feedback and questions, email us: mail@letsragetogether.co.za All music and editing by us. Kimberlé Crenshaw; The Urgency of Intersectionality · Episode 11; Are All Animal Rights Activists Worth Supporting? · There Are More Than Two Human Sexes · Factbox: Female genital mutilation around the world: a fine, jail or no crime? · The Registration and Drafting of Women in 1980: Position Paper of the National Organization for Women, February 6, 1980 · Congress Wrestles Over the Question of the Draft for Women · Consistent Anti-Oppression · Unite the Right Rally · White Right: Meeting the Enemy · Deeyah Khan · There’s Been An ‘Outbreak’ Of Nearly 900 Hate Incidents Since Trump’s Win · An Oral History of Trump’s Bigotry · Virginia KKK Leader Calls Donald Trump ‘Best For The Job’ · David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage' · Donald Trump Declines Three Chances To Disavow David Duke · Domestic abuse is a gendered crime · Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute · US election: The white supremacist grateful for Donald Trump · An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters · The Mirror · Vegan Hip Hop Movement · Christopher Sebastian

4:06 Melissa’s Methodist upbringing in Singapore 8:49 Press censorship in Singapore; Singapore society in general 14:30 Why Melissa decided to come and study in the US; her studies in genetics (transcriptomics) 21:50 Her meeting with Faisal al Mutar 24:10 Their secular humanists Facebook page 27:55 On the right way to make tea 35:00 Melissa’s early work with Faisal 36:30 Ideas Beyond Borders 49:45 Literacy in the MENA region 51:55 Bringing a new Enlightenment to the Arab world 1:06:30 The books that most influenced us Find out more about Ideas Beyond Borders here: https://www.ideasbeyondborders.org/; Follow Melissa on Twitter @MsMelChen Other References S. Frederick Starr, Lost EnlightenmentCentral Asia's Golden Age from the Arab Conquest to Tamerlane (2015) Steven Pinker, Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress (2018) Sam Harris, Lying (2011); The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values (2010) Deeyah Khan, documentary filmmaker: http://deeyah.com/ Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (2006) David Deutsch, The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations that Transform the World (2011) “Donald Trump” [Tony Schwartz] The Art of the Deal (1987) George Eliot, Middlemarch: A Study of Provincial Life (1871–2) Annika Harris, I Wonder (2013) Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene (1976) John Rawls, The Theory of Justice (1971) Derren Brown, Happy: Why More or Less Everything is Absolutely Fine (2016) My review of Happy for Areo: https://areomagazine.com/2019/01/21/in-praise-of-stoicism-derren-browns-happy-book-review Letter Find out more about our new partners, Letter: https://letter.wiki I’ve written about it here: https://areomagazine.com/2019/07/12/lets-change-the-nature-of-public-debate-an-introduction-to-letter/ And I’ve written about one of our letter exchanges here: https://areomagazine.com/2019/07/10/human-cultural-evolution-a-letter-exchange/

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Air Date: 5/3/2019 Today we take a look at several topics that, at first glance, may seem to be unrelated but that I think are all tied together with a thread that runs through all of them and points the way toward The Great Transition we are currently in the middle of. Be part of the show! Leave a message at 202-999-3991   Episode Sponsors: Tavour.com(Promo Code: LEFT) Amazon USA| Amazon CA| Amazon UK| Clean Choice Energy Get AD FREE Shows & Bonus Content: Support our show on Patreon! SHOW NOTES Ch. 1: Henry Giroux: Trump is the endpoint on cruelty and isolation in American politics - @thisishellradio - Air Date 4-15-17 Cultural critic Henry Giroux examines the slow, steady rise of cruelty in American culture - as the logic of neoliberalism strips our politics of anything besides self-regard, and the right capitalizes on the anger caused by its own policies Ch. 2: Johann Hari To Treat Depression, Provide Meaningful Work, Housing & a Basic Income, Not Just Drugs - @DemocracyNow - Air Date 02-02-18 An extended conversation with Johann Hari, author of a controversial new book, “Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression—and the Unexpected Solutions.” Ch. 3: Roots of Extremism with Deeyah Khan - The Ezra Klein Show - Air Date 3-11-19 Deeyah Khan is a British documentary filmmaker and human rights activist. She’s the creator of two extraordinary films airing on Netflix right now, White Right: Meeting the Enemy and Jihad: A Story of the Others. Ch. 4: The Cure To Loneliness - Sustainable Human - Air Date 2-3-18 Loneliness is almost baked into the cake as far as a modern society with the kind of social setup and infrastructure and economic system that we have today. Ch. 5: Gar Alperovitz: Building a Pluralist economy that supports human needs - @theLFshow w @GRITlaura Flanders - Air Date 7-26-17 Laura talks with author/activist Gar Alperovitz. From the gloom of today, he sees the principles of a Pluralist Commonwealth emerging. Ch. 6: Gar Alperovitz on the economic movement already underway - @RalphNader Radio Hour - Air Date 6-24-17 It’s time to build new economic institutions that are democratic but also–critically–give us a new power base as well in the communities around the country. Ch. 7: Utopias in history and the need to rekindle utopian thinking - History Extra - Air Date 3-16-17 Rutger Bregman discusses some of his ideas that recently caused a global sensation and the role of a historian in the modern world VOICEMAILS Ch. 8: Progressives have always had to drag liberals along - V from Central New York FINAL COMMENTS Ch. 9: Final comments on the need to spread the word about our failing institutions to bolster support for fundamental reform MUSIC(Blue Dot Sessions): Opening Theme: Loving Acoustic Instrumental by John Douglas Orr  Astrisx - Bodytonic Quaver - Codebreaker Moon Bicycle Theme - American Moon Bicycle One Little Triumph - Piano Mover Donder - Darby Take a Tiny Train - Ray Catcher Voicemail Music: Low Key Lost Feeling Electro by Alex Stinnent Closing Music: Upbeat Laid Back Indie Rock by Alex Stinnent   Produced by Jay! Tomlinson Thanks for listening! Visit us at BestOfTheLeft.com Support the show via Patreon Listen on iTunes | Stitcher| Spotify| Alexa Devices| +more Check out the BotL iOS/AndroidApp in the App Stores! Follow at Twitter.com/BestOfTheLeft Like at Facebook.com/BestOfTheLeft Contact me directly at Jay@BestOfTheLeft.com Review the show on iTunesand Stitcher!

From the Syrian conflict to Black Lives Matter; now more than ever there is an urgency for stories told by less represented and authentic voices emerging from affected communities. Getting access to a community not your own, to spend a few days filming on the ground, is widely considered ‘extractive’ storytelling. Can extended integration with protagonists truly embed a filmmaker with their subject's experience? What does it take to tell an ‘authentic’ story? A panel of filmmakers at Sheffield Doc/Fest 2018 share their own experiences of extractive vs authentic storytelling. Chaired by Anca Dimofte (Frontline Club) with filmmakers Molly Dineen, Leon Oldstrong and Deeyah Khan. Filmed by Sheffield Hallam University students and edited by Matthew Sturdy (Cosmic Joke).

CW: Hate speech/language. At the top of the show, I discuss the horrific Christchurch New Zealand Mosque shooting, and the white supremacist online shitposting nature of it. I revisit "The Hate Project: Episode 26" original air date March 25, 2013, which contains an insane rage-filled conversation with a white nationalist named "Loganhunter" who expresses aggrievement that white people and white countries are under attack from Jewish and non-white forces.  At one point he says that most churches are "communistic race-mixing whorehouses" which makes me question whether I should go back to church. Resident Klansman Dragon 1488 calls in, and seemingly sincerely invites me to a rally.  I do not take him up on it, but today in 2019, I wonder if I should have.  The reason for this is that I watched Deeyah Khan's doc "White Right", and her face-to-face interactions encouraged a couple of  neo-nazis to leave their hate groups.  However, I also grapple with the fact that it's not my or other people of color's job to reform racists, and it's also possible I would have just been used to give respectability to the klan. Also, Dragon simply continues to espouse his disgusting racist ideology and deflects the conversation when challenged. Also, a prank call and another call from anti-racist Patrick Hwang who again debates Dragon. I also discuss gay comedian Scott Kennedy who died in 2013.   Email: paradoxofcivility@gmail.comTwitter: @civilpodcastFacebook:  https://www.facebook.com/paradoxofcivility/ References from episode: Christchurch New Zealand Terrorist and the White Power Symbol: https://www.thedailybeast.com/brenton-tarrant-idd-new-zealand-shooting-suspect?ref=scroll New Zealand White Supremacist Terrorist Inspired by Trump: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-mosques-attack-suspect-praised-trump-manifesto-190315100143150.html Deeyah Khan interviewing Nazis: https://www.vox.com/world/2019/1/14/18151799/extremism-white-supremacy-jihadism-deeyah-khan Comedian Scott Kennedy:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Kennedy Tucker Carlson White Nationalist Rhetoric:https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/03/11/unearthed-audio-shows-tucker-carlson-using-white-nationalist-rhetoric-and-making-racist-remarks/223105 Music:  Gnossienne no. 1 by International Surrealist Bulletinis licensed under a CC0 1.0 Universal License.Remedy for Melancholy by Kai Engel is licensed under a Attribution License. 

What draws someone into an extremist movement? Is it about ideology? Race? Politics? So many of our discussions about extremism try to explain away the problem by reducing its complexity, but that brings us further and further away from actually solving it. Deeyah Khan is a British documentary filmmaker and human rights activist. She’s the creator of two extraordinary films airing on Netflix right now, White Right: Meeting the Enemy and Jihad: A Story of the Others. The films do a remarkable job of showing why these opposing brands of extremism are both similar and reciprocal, and why the people they attract mirror each other in so many ways. Khan spent hours with the most extreme figures she could find, and made a real effort to understand what’s motivating them. She sat down with Vox’s interviews writer, Sean Illing, for a conversation about what she discovered, why the roots of fanaticism are much deeper than we suppose, and what we have to do win the battle against hatred. Recommended reading: It's Not About the Burqa by Mariam Khan From Fatwa to Jihad by Kenan Malik Faith and Feminism in Pakistan by Afiya S. Zia We are conducting an audience survey to better serve you. It takes no more than five minutes, and it really helps out the show. Please take our survey here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/3X6WMNF Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dag har ikke sett Gunnar på en stund, men Gunnar har sett Dag på TV. Jan-Ole Hesselberg er tilbake i studio hvor han nok en gang deler velvillig av sin kunnskap, og vår mancrush fortsetter å blomstre. Det prates om rasisme, implisitte assosiasjoner, og Derren Brown får virkelig strødd seg med både sukker og salt for sine drøye men ikke helt ærlige Netflix dokumentarer. Det blir en episode full av referanser og anbefalinger, og endelig etter 20 episoder blir studioassistent Tone offisielt introdusert med lyd på mikrofonen! ‘Han som ikke skal nevnes’ nevnes mangfoldige ganger, og nå har vi brukt opp kvota for hele 2019. Kommer det noe nytt fra den tørrpinnen? Bare ikke spør om Jesus er Guds sønn. NERVE med Tone Sabro podcast: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/nerve/id1443466241?mt=2NERVE med Tone Sabro på YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfGKx2ZHGk6xQ7reIv719pgDerren Brown - Sacrifice på Netflix: netflix.com/no-en/title/80216677Derren Brown - The Assassin: Shooting Stephen Fry: youtu.be/owootTAuxicDerren Brown - The Lottery Trick: youtu.be/ygrSZ_XpO3oDerren Brown på Joe Rogan Experience podcast: youtu.be/n_tpWrv76Q8Derren Brown på Sam Harris podcast: samharris.org/podcasts/143-keys-mind/Deeyah Khan på Sam Harris podcast: samharris.org/podcasts/144-conquering-hate/Deeyah Khan - I møte med fienden på NRK: tv.nrk.no/program/koid75004717/deeyah-khan-i-moete-med-fiendenPaul Bloom - Just Babies: the Origins of Good and Evil bok: books.google.no/books/about/Just_Babies.html?id=o3mVMAEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=yImplicit Association test: implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Malcolm Gladwell - Blink; bok om implisitte holdninger og assosiasjoner: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink:_The_Power_of_Thinking_Without_ThinkingNevrolingvistisk programmering (NLP) forklart: no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevrolingvistisk_programmeringRobert Plomin - Blueprint; bok om gener og adferd: mitpress.mit.edu/books/blueprintSam Harris bloggpost om sannhet med Jordan Peterson: samharris.org/speaking-of-truth-with-jordan-b-peterson/Jordan Peterson - 12 rules for life bok: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Rules_for_LifeSam Harris bokutgivelser: samharris.org/books/Bruce Schneier - Beyond Security essay: schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/beyond_security.htmlCochrane forklart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochrane_(organisation)Gunnar Tjomlid - Honning mot Akutt Hoste bloggpost: tjomlid.com/2018/10/03/honning-mot-akutt-hoste/Gunnar Tjomlid bokbestilling: tjomlid.com/bestillDag Sørås - Latterlig Smart om Svartedauden på NRK: tv.nrk.no/serie/latterlig-smart/2018/DMTV23600418

Dag har ikke sett Gunnar på en stund, men Gunnar har sett Dag på TV. Jan-Ole Hesselberg er tilbake i studio hvor han nok en gang deler velvillig av sin kunnskap, og vår mancrush fortsetter å blomstre. Det prates om rasisme, implisitte assosiasjoner, og Derren Brown får virkelig strødd seg med både sukker og salt for sine drøye men ikke helt ærlige Netflix dokumentarer. Det blir en episode full av referanser og anbefalinger, og endelig etter 20 episoder blir studioassistent Tone offisielt introdusert med lyd på mikrofonen! ‘Han som ikke skal nevnes' nevnes mangfoldige ganger, og nå har vi brukt opp kvota for hele 2019. Kommer det noe nytt fra den tørrpinnen? Bare ikke spør om Jesus er Guds sønn. NERVE med Tone Sabro podcast: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/nerve/id1443466241?mt=2NERVE med Tone Sabro på YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfGKx2ZHGk6xQ7reIv719pgDerren Brown - Sacrifice på Netflix: netflix.com/no-en/title/80216677Derren Brown - The Assassin: Shooting Stephen Fry: youtu.be/owootTAuxicDerren Brown - The Lottery Trick: youtu.be/ygrSZ_XpO3oDerren Brown på Joe Rogan Experience podcast: youtu.be/n_tpWrv76Q8Derren Brown på Sam Harris podcast: samharris.org/podcasts/143-keys-mind/Deeyah Khan på Sam Harris podcast: samharris.org/podcasts/144-conquering-hate/Deeyah Khan - I møte med fienden på NRK: tv.nrk.no/program/koid75004717/deeyah-khan-i-moete-med-fiendenPaul Bloom - Just Babies: the Origins of Good and Evil bok: books.google.no/books/about/Just_Babies.html?id=o3mVMAEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=yImplicit Association test: implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Malcolm Gladwell - Blink; bok om implisitte holdninger og assosiasjoner: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink:_The_Power_of_Thinking_Without_ThinkingNevrolingvistisk programmering (NLP) forklart: no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevrolingvistisk_programmeringRobert Plomin - Blueprint; bok om gener og adferd: mitpress.mit.edu/books/blueprintSam Harris bloggpost om sannhet med Jordan Peterson: samharris.org/speaking-of-truth-with-jordan-b-peterson/Jordan Peterson - 12 rules for life bok: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Rules_for_LifeSam Harris bokutgivelser: samharris.org/books/Bruce Schneier - Beyond Security essay: schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/beyond_security.htmlCochrane forklart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochrane_(organisation)Gunnar Tjomlid - Honning mot Akutt Hoste bloggpost: tjomlid.com/2018/10/03/honning-mot-akutt-hoste/Gunnar Tjomlid bokbestilling: tjomlid.com/bestillDag Sørås - Latterlig Smart om Svartedauden på NRK: tv.nrk.no/serie/latterlig-smart/2018/DMTV23600418

Sam Harris speaks with Deeyah Khan about her groundbreaking films “Jihad” and “White Right.” They discuss her history as a target of religious intolerance, her adventures with neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, the similarities between extremist groups, the dangers of political correctness, and other topics. Deeyah Khan is a two-time Emmy Award-winning and twice BAFTA-nominated documentary film director. She is the founder of Fuuse, a media and arts company that puts women and minority communities at the heart of telling their own stories. In 2016, she became the first UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador for artistic freedom and creativity. Her 2012 film, “Banaz: A Love Story,” which earned Deeyah her first Emmy Award, chronicled the life and death of Banaz Mahmod, a young British Kurdish woman murdered by her family in a so-called honour killing. Her second film, “Jihad,” was nominated for a BAFTA; it involved two years of interviews and filming with Islamic extremists, convicted terrorists and former jihadis; and “White Right: Meeting the Enemy,” in which Deeyah travelled to the United States to filmed with neo-Nazis, including attending the now-infamous Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, won her a second Emmy Award and a second BAFTA nomination. Twitter: @Deeyah_Khan

In this episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Deeyah Khan about her groundbreaking films "Jihad" and "White Right." They discuss her history as a target of religious intolerance, her adventures with neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, the similarities between extremist groups, the dangers of political correctness, and other topics. SUBSCRIBE to continue listening and gain access to all content on samharris.org/subscribe.

At the age of 7, Leyla Hussein was a victim of FGM, Female Genital Mutilation, which is when the female genitalia is partially cut or totally removed and the remaining skin is sown together. In her participation in the College Freedom Forum 2018, she shares her horrible experience, some statistics, her awakening and the movement she has created to bring attention to this topic. 200 million girls and women from all over the world are at risk each year from undergo FGM, Hussein says. She herself became aware of the topic after her first pregnancy, where Jennifer Bourne, a nurse, explained her that the reason she was passing out every time she was examined was because her body still remembers the trauma. By the time this forum is actually finished 4,000 girls will undergo FGM. We are not talking about small numbers”. Her principal work as a psychotherapist is to create safe spaces for survivors of FGM. The Dahlia Project, a health advocacy project, is a counseling service where women realize that their experience is an abuse. FGM is not a cultural practice. FGM is fundamental to control women’s sexuality, to oppress women… It’s a process of grooming, that itself is another form of abuse”. FGM is a global issue. It happens in the US, Russia, Colombia, and Africa. Young people play a great role in this, she says, women must stand up and speak up. She introduces some of her fellow sisters that fight with her on a daily basis: Meron Estefanos, Deeyah Khan, Mona Eltahawy, Zineb El Rhazoui. The reason I do this work it’s because of my daughter. I want a world where every single girl can be free and safe. “ Don’t miss Leyla Hussein’s story and share this video to draw attention to FGM.

This Deeyah Khan episode is special. She is an award winning documentary filmmaker who has met and confronted Jihadists and members of the KKK in order to understand what drives them. So much insight, bravery and practical love on difficult topics - religion/race/gender/identity. Also COINCIDENTALLY I barely speak in it.

Filmmaker Deeyah Khan sat down with members of the white power movement in the United States to gain a better understanding of what motivates them to hate. She spoke with Colin about how she gained their confidence - and whether they have the capacity to change. Guest Deeyah Khan. Host: Colin Ellis, Producer: Chantal Braganza, Technical Producer: Matthew O'Mara, Production Coordinator: Caitlin Plummer, Podcast Manager: Hannah Sung. Credit: Fuuse Films

Season #2 of Under The Skin returns next Saturday 13th October! In this teaser you'll hear clips from upcoming episodes with Yuval Noah Harari, Charles Eisenstein, Blindboy from The Rubberbandits and Loki The Rapper aka. Darren McGarvey. We've got some fantastic guests coming up over the course of this series from across the political and ideological spectrum. You'll hear from writers, actors, academics and more including Gabor Mate, Candace Owens, Marianne Williamson, Deeyah Khan, Charles Eisenstein and David Rudolf. Join us next Saturday 13th Oct for Yuval Noah Harari's episode.

Emmy til Deeyah Khan - igjen! Og vi feirer NRK P3s 25-årsdag

This month, Stance explores what has been hailed as a new era in masculinity, a year on from the launch of the #metoo movement. Stance dissects society’s idea of masculinity and how this is being challenged and reshaped, with voices including Emmy-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan. Stance profiles the award-winning acclaimed poet, musician and writer Kate Tempest, and speak with Emmy award-winning director and actor and winner of the Sundance Grand Jury Prize, Desiree Akhavan, ahead of the launch of her highly anticipated new TV show, The Bisexual.  Stancepodcast.com @stancepodcast 

Når mennesker snakker i større og større bokstaver fordi de sliter med å finne nye og bedre motargumenter – gjør det oss mindre forsonlige og mer ekstreme? I sånne tider blir jeg så glad når noen skjærer gjennom med et eller annet som får meg til å senke skuldrene, puste roligere. Det skjer gjerne når noen nyanserer bildet og lanserer en tredje vei som løser konflikter, som får oss til å se lyset og bringer verden litt videre. Deeyah Khan, en norsk-pakistansk filmskaper, har laget en dokumentar der dette skjer. Arne Berggren er forfatter, dramatiker og musiker.

Season Finale: Robin on "everyday courage," lesbian moms, more climate-change impact, hereditary peers, and water on Mars. Guest: Emmy and Peabody winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan on her new documentary about neo-Nazis, "White Right: Meeting the Enemy."

As the child of an Afghan mother and Pakistani father raised in Norway, Deeyah Khan knows what it's like to be a young person stuck between your community and your country. In this powerful, emotional talk, the filmmaker unearths the rejection and isolation felt by many Muslim kids growing up in the West -- and the deadly consequences of not embracing our youth before extremist groups do. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Robin on "adoption" talks with Putin, saving Obamacare, defending Title IX, the conservative press pivot, and O.J.'s parole. Guests: Deeyah Khan's new digital magazine Sister-hood.com; Barbara Smith on her four decades of activism—and what's next. Deeyah Khan: Barbara Smith:

Filmskaper Deeyah Khan om ensomheten da hun flyktet til London som popstjernen Deepika, om ære - og skam-kultur, om undertrykking av kvinner i minoritetsmiljøer, om radikalisering og kjærlighet - og om hvordan møtet med ekstremistene satte henne fri. Med VGs politiske redaktør Hanne Skartveit. Produsert av Magne Antonsen. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

As the child of an Afghan mother and Pakistani father raised in Norway, Deeyah Khan knows what it's like to be a young person stuck between your community and your country. In this powerful, emotional talk, the filmmaker unearths the rejection and isolation felt by many Muslim kids growing up in the West -- and the deadly consequences of not embracing our youth before extremist groups do.

Como hija de madre afgana y padre pakistaní criada en Noruega, Deeyah Khan sabe lo que se siente al ser una niña atrapada entre su comunidad y su país. En esta emotiva y poderosa charla, la cineasta saca a la luz el rechazo y el aislamiento que sufren muchos de los jóvenes musulmanes que crecen en países occidentales, así como las consecuencias fatales de no darles el apoyo que pueden acabar encontrando en los grupos extremistas.

Enfant d'une mère afghane et d'un père pakistanais, élevée en Norvège, Deeyah Khan sait ce que c'est d’être une jeune coincée entre sa communauté et son pays. A travers ce discours puissant et plein d'émotion, la réalisatrice fait la lumière sur le sentiment de rejet et d'isolation connu par beaucoup d'enfants musulmans qui grandissent en Occident, et les conséquences fatales de ne pas comprendre notre jeunesse avant qu'elle ne tombe entre les mains des groupes extrémistes.

Als in Norwegen aufgewachsenes Kind einer afghanischen Mutter und eines pakistanischen Vaters weiß Deeyah Khan, wie es ist, ein junger Mensch zu sein, der zwischen seiner Gemeinschaft und seinem Land gefangen ist. Die Filmemacherin holt in diesem kraftvollen, emotionalen Vortrag die Ablehnung und Isolation ans Tageslicht, die viele muslimische Kinder empfinden, die im Westen aufwachsen – und die tödlichen Folgen, wenn wir unsere Jugendlichen nicht annehmen, bevor es extremistische Gruppen tun.

Como filha de mãe afegã e pai paquistanês criada na Noruega, Deeyah Khan sabe o que é ser uma jovem presa entre sua comunidade e seu país. Nesta poderosa e emocionante palestra, a cineasta mostra a rejeição e o isolamento sofrido por muitos jovens muçulmanos crescendo no Ocidente e as consequências fatais caso não sejam acolhidos antes que extremistas o façam.

노르웨이 출신의 디야 칸은 아프가니스탄 출신의 어머니와 파키스탄 출신의 아버지 사이에서 태어나 지역사회와 조국 사이에 끼어버린 젊은이란 어떤 것인지 알고 있습니다. 이 강력하고 감정을 뒤흔드는 강연에서 이 영화감독은 서양에서 자라난 많은 무슬림 아이들이 느끼는 거절감과 고립감을 들려줍니다. 극단주의자들이 이들을 받아들이기 전에 우리가 포용하지 않으면 죽음으로 이어지는 결과를 초래할 수도 있습니다.

Last Friday, I had the pleasure of speaking with Sam Harris! We had an excellent, robust discussion on a variety of topics. We didn’t necessarily agree on everything, but even in disagreement Sam is an absolute pleasure to speak with. I admire his integrity, intellectual honesty and willingness to engage in difficult conversations. *** Below are some links to references we made in the conversation: Open Letter to Sam http://nicemangos.blogspot.ca/2016/01/open-letter-to-sam-harris.html Open Letter to Ben Affleck http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/10/25/comment/an-open-letter-to-ben-affleck/ My Chacha (uncle) is Gay - children’s book https://www.buzzfeed.com/imaansheikh/pakistans-first-childrens-book-on-lgbtq Pegida objects to Kinder using faces of black and Middle Eastern children on its chocolate wrappers http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/pegida-objects-to-kinder-using-faces-of-black-and-middle-eastern/ Photograph of Germany’s Pegida leader styled as Adolf Hitler goes viral https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/21/pegida-leader-styled-adolf-hitler-lutz-bachmann-german-islamist-terrorists-facebook Census That revealed a troubling future - Douglas Murray http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/4868/full My fellow atheists, it’s time we admitted that religion has some points in its favour - Douglas Murray http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/02/call-off-the-faith-wars/ Douglas Murray - Was Enoch Powell Right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnSPgdGW4s What are we to do about Islam? Speech by Douglas Murray at the Pim Fortuyn Memorial Conference 2006 http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1712 chat with Tommy Robinson http://www.gspellchecker.com/2014/10/ep34-eiynah-tommy-robinson/ https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/education/2015/05/04/thousands-of-parents-keep-kids-home-from-school-in-sex-ed-protest.html Thousands of parents kept their children home from school on Monday in protest of the Ontario government’s new sex-ed curriculum. My interview on CBC radio: Speaking up for unheard Muslim and ex-Muslim voices: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/unheard-muslim-voices-banning-dangerous-dogs-and-a-plea-for-plain-language-1.3393360/speaking-up-for-unheard-muslim-and-ex-muslim-voices-1.3394359 A heartbreaking and important film by Deeyah Khan about the grave dangers of cultural relativism Banaz : A love Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepuyvhHYdM Convo W Maryam: https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations/1-maryam-namazie Convo with John Semley: https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations/episode-4-john-semley-is-charlie-hebdo-racist iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/polite-conversations/id1086199663?mt=2 If you'd like to support the show, you can do so via Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/nicemangos

What happens when art forces you to leave everything you love ? What happens when the music forces you to be silent? The starstudded panel with Moddi, Deeyah Khan, Emel Mathlouthi, Stephen Budd, Mashrou' Leila and Freemuse Director Ole Reitov have all experienced censorship and they all have powerful stories to tell.

On 10 February 2016, Free Word, in collaboration with Fritt Ord and the Royal Norwegian Embassy, hosted a screening of Deeyah Khan's powerful film, 'Jihad: A British Story'. The screening was followed by a panel discussion and an audience Q+A involving Deeyah and some of those featured in 'Jihad', chaired by lawyer and cabinet minister Sayeeda Warsi. This event was part of Free Word's series, 'Unravelling Europe'. Against a backdrop of increasing fragmentation fuelled by anxiety and fear, the conditions and values that underpin our open, democratic societies are under threat. Putting artists at the heart of the discussion, 'Unravelling Europe' sets out to ask: why is this so, what are the consequences and how might we act to counter them?