Podcasts about National Socialist Movement

In this powerful episode, I sit down with Jeff Schoep, a former leader of the National Socialist Movement — once the largest neo-Nazi organization in the United States. For over 20 years, Schoep was a prominent figure in the white nationalist movement. But in 2019, he made a profound and public decision to walk away from extremism and dedicate his life to dismantling it. Now the founder of Beyond Barriers, a nonprofit focused on countering extremism and helping individuals disengage from hate-based ideologies, Schoep shares his unique insights into radicalization, transformation, and the power of redemption. He is also the author of American Nazi: From Hate to Humanity, a memoir tracing his journey from leading a hate group to becoming an advocate for peace and change. This is a conversation about ideology, personal responsibility, and the possibility of change — no matter how far someone has gone down a dark path. Links: Website: www.jeffschoep.com Organization: Beyond Barriers Book: American Nazi: From Hate to Humanity – Available now See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jeff Schoep, a former leader of the National Socialist Movement, returns to Curiosity Invited to speak about his latest work and tireless effort to dismantle to seeds of extremism and undo the harm of his past. Jeff shares his experiences of being involved in hate groups for 27 years, the process of leaving that life behind, and the work he does now to help others escape similar paths. He emphasizes the importance of education in preventing radicalization and discusses the challenges faced by individuals trying to leave extremist groups. Jeff's story is one of transformation, highlighting the potential for change and the power of understanding and compassion in addressing hate. David and Jeff explore the complexities of youth engagement with social media, the impact of political polarization on society, and the dangers of dehumanizing rhetoric in political discourse. They discuss the importance of fostering understanding and dialogue, especially in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict, and reflect on the journey from hate to understanding, emphasizing the need for empathy and human connection in a divided world.Who is Jeff Schoep?From leading America's largest neo-Nazi group to becoming a beacon of hope, Jeff Schoep's journey is a seismic shift that ignites conversations and reshapes lives. His voice, once a weapon of hate, now resounds with redemption, echoing in powerful keynote talks, workshops, and encounters that leave indelible marks.For two decades, darkness consumed Jeff Schoep as he steered the National Socialist Movement. Yet beneath the shadows, a spark of doubt flickered, ignited by the unexpected kindness of a Black musician and the unwavering compassion of a Muslim filmmaker. Today, Jeff wields empathy and understanding, peeling back the layers of extremism he once championed. His firsthand journey exposes the nefarious underworld of hate, offering a chilling yet crucial glimpse into the extremist mindset.

For this special episode of Beyond Barriers Podcast we talk with Dan and Sabrina Burnside who decided to leave the National Socialist Movement and the Far-right after 10 years. In this episode we dive into their reasons for joining and leaving, how their involvement affected their family and the road to redemption. Ultimately this is a message of hope - it's never too late to change your direction in life. For more information on Beyond Barriers visit: https://beyondbarriersusa.org info@beyondbarriersusa.org --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondbarriersradio/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyondbarriersradio/support

The 1999 London nail bombings were a series of bomb explosions in London, England. Over three successive weekends between 17 and 30 April 1999, homemade nail bombs were detonated respectively in Brixton in South London; at Brick Lane, Spitalfields, in the East End; and at the Admiral Duncan pub in Soho in the West End. Each bomb contained up to 1,500 4-inch (100 mm) nails, in holdalls that were left in public spaces. The bombs killed three people and injured 140 people, four of whom lost limbs.On 2 May 1999, the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch charged 22-year-old David Copeland with murder. Copeland, who became known as the "London nail bomber", was a Neo-Nazi militant and a former member of two political groups, the British National Party and then the National Socialist Movement. The bombings were aimed at London's black, Bengali and LGBT communities.[1] Copeland was convicted of murder in 2000 and given six life sentences.[1]This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/1198501/advertisement

PREVIEW - This week's Atlas Analysis episode features our Head of Internal Relations & Writer, Adrian Cornejo, to analyse the NSM in the United States. Full episode only available on our Patreon, at patreon.com/moderninsurgent

The former head of the National Socialist Movement takes us behind the scenes of neo-Nazi groups in the U.S. Then he shares why he left the movement and is now working to counter and prevent extremism through his nonprofit https://beyondbarriersusa.org/

A full program covering the historical context of American fascist groups like the KKK, the Aryan Resistance Movement, the (deceptively named) National Socialist Movement, and others. It’s all featured in Michael McCusker’s original work: “The Propaganda of the Deed.”

Lately, I've been fascinated by the psychology of change.   There came a point in late 2022 when I started to notice that many of the conversations I've had here on the show have carried with them an undertone of change. I've gone back and listened to many of the interviews, and change pops up quite frequently.   In fact, based on what I've gathered, one of the chapters of the book I'm currently writing asks the question: Do you believe people can change?   It is such a fun question because everyone I've ever asked that question of has answered me with an optimistic yes.   However, what I've noticed is that we often don't act this way. We act as if people cannot change on their own, and so we try to force change to happen.   And we all know how that goes, right? I mean, I know I love being forced to change, don't you?   But if we believe people can change, and we acknowledge true change can't be forced, then how and why does it happen?   This is what I wanted to explore with Jeff Schoep. Jeff was my guest here on the show back in episode 57, and you might recall that Jeff is the former leader of the largest neo-Nazi organization in the United States, the National Socialist Movement.   Now, Jeff has left that world and ideology behind, and instead, he works to deradicalize others.   Jeff is someone who has gone through a radical change, so who better to walk through the psychology of change with than Jeff? Who better to understand what brings about change and why it's so hard, even when the thing we are clinging to is, to so many of us, so obviously wrong?   Check out Jeff's work at https://beyondbarriersusa.org/. 

Comedians Steve Rannazzisi and Ari Shaffir join Big Jay Oakerson, Luis J. Gomez, and Dave Smith to discuss Luis' most recent public freak out at Avis car rental, a website for the National Socialist Movement, and their desire to eat Producer Alex's placenta after she gives birth. All This and More, ONLY on The Most Offensive Podcast on Earth, The LEGION OF SKANKS!!! Air Date: 01/30/23Support our Sponsors!Fans over the age of 21, head to YoDelta.com and use promo code GAS for 25% off your order!Go to zippixtoothpicks.com/ and use the promo code LOS10 to get 10% off your order today!Fans over the age of 21, visit YoKratom.com to get two kilos for just $100!NEW Legion of Skanks merchandise is available at PodcastMerch.com/LOS!You can watch Legion of Skanks LIVE for FREE every Monday & Friday at 8:00pm EST at GaSDigitalNetwork.com/live.Once you're there, sign up to GaSDigitalNetwork.com with promo code LOS to receive a 7 day FREE TRIAL with access to our entire catalog of archived episodes! Including over 350 video episodes and over 500 audio episodes that have ever been recorded! On top of that, you'll also have the same access to ALL the other shows that GaS Digital Network has to offer!FOLLOW THE WHOLE SHOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA!Steve Rannazzisi Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steverannazzisi/Twitter: https://twitter.com/steverannazzisiAri ShaffirInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/arishaffir/Twitter: https://twitter.com/SkepticTankPodLegion of SkanksInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/legionofskanks/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LegionOfSkanksBig Jay OakersonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigjayoakerson/Twitter: https://twitter.com/bigjayoakersonLuis J. GomezInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/gomezcomedy/Twitter: https://twitter.com/luisjgomezDave SmithInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theproblemdavesmith/Twitter: https://twitter.com/comicdavesmithGaS Digital NetworkInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/gasdigitalSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On this episode of the podcast, the creator of the BBC One drama, Ridley Road, speaks with HOPE not hate's Nick Ryan.A four-part show which premiered last October, Ridley Road is set in London's East End and tells the story of a young Jewish woman's involvement in the 62 Group; an organised antifascist contingent taking the fight to Colin Jordan's National Socialist Movement in the early 1960s London. The show was adapted for television by Sarah from a 2014 book of the same name written by the Brighton author Jo Bloom and is still available to view on iPlayer.During the course of the chat about the show with Nick Ryan, Sarah also discusses the challenges of creating characters with empathy, Judaism, the theatre, surviving in Trump's America and her new shows looking at the #MeToo movement, the life of Trump's women and her project looking at one of Afghanistan's most inspirational female leaders.--♪ Highball (Prod. by Lukrembo) Link : https://youtu.be/sBJ2bUIVcwI

In episode 98 of Murder and Such, Hunter discusses the topic of hatred, and how this can affect a child in their formative years. This case will surround a man who was rising in the ranks of the National Socialist Movement, but then found himself on the wrong end of someone that he least expected. This is The Murder of Jeff Hall. The Murder and Such merch store is finally open for business! Get your shirts, hoodies, coffee mugs, tapestries, face masks, and everything else with my stupid logos on there at this link: https://www.teepublic.com/?ref_id=16051If you would like to get Murder and Such early and ad free, please consider donating to the Patreon at:https://www.patreon.com/MurderandSuchor you can find the link to make a one time donation by visiting:https://www.murderandsuch.com Follow Murder and Such at the following links!On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderandsuch/On Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderandSuchOn Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/murdandsuch/On Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/murderandsuchWebsite: https://www.MurderandSuch.comFollow your host Hunter at these links!On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/huntor27/On Twitter: https://twitter.com/huntor27

In this episode, I finally get to have the conversation that I've wanted to have ever since I first heard the question, "How can you hate me if you don't even know me?"   Daryl Davis is a black man who has asked that question of hundreds of Ku Klux Klan members and other white supremacists, including Jeff Schoep, the former leader of the National Socialist Movement who left that life behind several years ago. Jeff was a guest on this show back in episode 57, and it was through conversations with Daryl that he finally came to understand that his worldview was wrong.   Daryl has been the driving force for hundreds of people to leave the KKK and other white supremacist groups, not through coercion or force or ridicule, but through curiosity and understanding and non-judgmental conversation.   Conversations like this one with Daryl are the reason I started this show, and I hope that by listening to it, you feel the full effect of what Daryl's approach to conflict resolution could have if we all followed his lead.   Watch Daryl's TEDx Talk at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4gly9n9RBo. Check out Daryl's work at https://www.daryldavis.com, and connect with him on Twitter at https://twitter.com/realdaryldavis.   Visit https://www.michaelashford.com to connect with me and my work.

Australian media outlets are increasing publishing the names and affiliations of people in fringe extremist movements. What happens when names and organisations are published? How do extremists act? Does it cause them to pull back or stick with the ideology that has brought them attention? Jeff Schoep is the founder of Beyond Barriers, a group that has the mission to help people disengage from extremism. Schoep led the National Socialist Movement for 25 years in the United States. Does exposure - or doxxing - stop people from believing in their ideology? Jeff gives you the answers. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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"Everybody wants to be the hero in their own life story". Fred Cook's former lifestyle of hatred as a long time member of, and Chief of Staff for the National Socialist Movement, like so many others, did not start with him waking up one day deciding he wanted to live a hate filled life full of enemies. As an impressionable teen that suffered from lack of an identity, hate took its opportunity, and found Fred when he was most vulnerable.Who is Fredrick Cook?Fred Cook's story is a fascinating one. Our conversation spans Fred's time as an impressionable teen seeking an identity, then suffering a race related traumatic event, then falling in with skinheads...  and so much more leading up to present day, where Fred has been out of the NSM for several years and has taken his and his family's life in a 180 degree turn from his former hate driven lifestyle full of enemies.Fred now subscribes to the mindset, "what defines a person is their innate ability to see the humanity in other people". Whether it just be listening to this conversation, Fred's work as an associate director / interventionist with Beyond Barriers USA, or his documenting of his journey toward redemption on his personal Son of Sinai website, there are so many important lessons that can be learned. Another "Can't Miss" episode of the Derate The Hate podcast...What have you done today to make your life a better life? What have you done today to make the world a better place? The world is a better place if we are better people, and that begins with each of us leading a better life. Be kind to one another, be grateful for everything you've got, and make each and every day the day that you want it to be!Please follow The Derate The Hate podcast on Facebook, MeWe, Instagram, Twitter . Subscribe to us wherever you enjoy your audio. Please leave us a rating and feedback. Send me a message on any media platform or subscribe directly from our sites. Let us know about someone you think should be on our podcast, and if we book them for a conversation, I'll send you a free gift! Not on social media? You can share your thoughts directly with me at wilk@wilksworld.comI look forward to hearing from you!Please check out our affiliates page by clicking HERE!

In 1960s Britain extreme right-wing groups were on the rise. A schoolteacher called Colin Jordan led a Nazi rally in Trafalgar Square in central London. He openly praised Hitler and called for Britain to be freed from what he called 'Jewish control'. He was also a white supremacist who called for the repatriation of black people. Claire Bowes has been speaking to Gerry Gable, a Jewish anti-fascist activist who helped infiltrate Jordan's National Socialist Movement as well as helping secure the arrest of his former wife, Francoise Dior, for inciting arson attacks on two London synagogues. (Photo: British neo-Nazi politician Colin Jordan and French socialite Francoise Dior, UK, 7 October 1963; she is wearing a swastika shaped pendant and behind them, a portrait of Adolf Hitler. Credit: Felkin/Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

Preview clip of Wilk's conversation with Fred Cook, former Chief of Staff for the National Socialist Movement, now interventionist who has converted to Judaism

Game night at the Empire Never Ended! Boris, Fritz, and Rey are joined by some friends as they dive deep into the bewildering mess that is Nazi-made video games. In this experimental episode, Fritz hobbles through the barely-playable Zog's Nightmare 2 made by Aryan Nations-based company Resistance Records for the National Socialist Movement in 2007. He caps this off with a short tour of its fan-made sequel made for Combat 18. Fritz introduces other horrible games from the company and shows off his questionable collection of KKK versions of Mario Bros 1 and 2 and a pitiful Nazi re-texture of Wolfenstein 3D and. Also, a William Luther Pierce-inspired game throws Fritz's computer into chaos. Music credit: "Retro Platforming" by Dave Fesliyan, FesliyanStudios.com This is The Empire Never Ended, the Antifascist Amerikanski-Balkan podcast about (neo) fascist terror, the (deep) state and the alienation, nihilism and desperation produced by the capitalist system. And how to get rid of all that. Something like that... Subscribe to our Patreon for weekly premium episodes! And check out our social media for updates and whatnot: Twitter + Facebook + Instagram + YouTube

For 25 years, Jeff Schoep led the largest neo-Nazi organization in the United States — the National Socialist Movement. For more than two decades, Jeff spread propaganda, hatred, and fear, and his extremist views caused pain, anguish, and suffering for many.   But just a few years ago, Jeff left that world behind. But what's more, Jeff didn't just leave, he started an organization, Beyond Barriers, to actively work to get others out as well — to recover minds and souls imprisoned by extremist ideologies.   How could someone go from such one extreme to another?   As you'll hear in our conversation, Jeff's hate-filled worldview began to crumble when he was simply asked questions that caused him to, in his words, begin to see the humanity in others.   This is the second part of a two-part series on extremism. If you missed part one, go back to episode 56 and my conversation with Jesse Morton, who for years led a radical Islamic group before he left that life and mindset behind.   Check out Jeff's work at https://jeffschoep.com and https://beyondbarriersusa.org.

Do you believe in redemption for radicals? Do you believe those who've once believed in a hateful ideology or been party to hateful organizations can do anything to redeem themselves? I think it's unwise to say that we cannot change the hearts and minds of those who've lead a life of hate and radical extremism. I would not be doing this podcast if I did not think they could be reached.This week's guest is a shining example of someone who has gone from extremism to counter-extremism and now devotes his time to de-radicalizing the haters instead of being the hater. Jeff Schoep, former Neo-Nazi and former leader of the National Socialist Movement here in the United States did not start out as a hateful extremist, but spent many years of his life on that side of the hate spectrum. You DO NOT want to miss this episode where I ask Jeff how he got to that point and what brought him back to a life not filled with hate and extremism.Hear from Jeff how great folks like Daryl Davis and Deeyah Kahn and her movie "White Right Meeting the Enemy" played an important role in his paradigm shift and how all the folks at BeyondBarriersUSA.org are helping to de-radicalize people of all types of extremism. Again, you DO NOT WANT TO MISS THIS EPISODE!!What have you done today to make your life a better life? What have you done today to make the world a better place? The world is a better place if we are better people, and that begins with each of us leading a better life. Be kind to one another, be grateful for everything you've got, and make each and every day the day that you want it to be!Please follow The Derate The Hate podcast on Facebook, MeWe, Instagram, Twitter . Subscribe to us wherever you enjoy your audio. Please leave us a rating and feedback. Send me a message on any media platform or subscribe directly from our sites. Let us know about someone you think should be on our podcast, and if we book them for a conversation, I'll send you a free gift! Not on social media? You can share your thoughts directly with me at wilk@wilksworld.comI look forward to hearing from you!Please check out our affiliates page by clicking HERE!

Fred Cook was a senior office bearer in the National Socialist Movement and deeply involved in organisation activities such as rallies and meetings. He walked away from the extremist movements some years ago but only recently did he discover that he had Jewish origins. His story must be heard to be believed. Tune in. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jeff Schoep has spent almost half his life involved in an extremist movement. The former head of the National Socialist Movement in the United States left that organisation in March 2019 and has been an outspoken advocate against the ideology he was a part of for 27 years. He tells Tom Ravlic his story and how he gradually became aware that the life he had lived for more than a quarter of a century was something he needed to leave behind. What advice does he have for Australian politicians involved in the parliamentary inquiry on extremism and radicalism? Grab yourself a drink and listen .... See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Mike: I assure you there are fascists in the US. [Theme song] Nazi SS UFOs Lizards wearing human clothes Hinduism's secret codes These are nazi lies Race and IQ are in genes Warfare keeps the nation clean Whiteness is an AIDS vaccine These are nazi lies Hollow earth, white genocide Muslim's rampant femicide Shooting suspects named Sam Hyde Hiter lived and no Jews died Army, navy, and the cops Secret service, special ops They protect us, not sweatshops These are nazi lies Mike: One of the more pernicious lies I hear about US fascism is that it doesn't exist, particularly in the present day. So I'm here today with journalist and sociologist Dr. Spencer Sunshine, PhD from CUNY's Grad School. Spencer has written for Colorlines, Truthout, and The Daily Beast and has an organizing guide out through PopMob called 40 Ways to Fight Fascists: Street-Legal Tactics for Community Activists. Thanks for coming on the pod. Spencer Sunshine: Thanks for having me on the show, Mike. Mike: Of course! So Spencer's here to talk about the American Nazi Party; its successor, the National Socialist White People's Party; and its remnants today. So let's start with a brief history of US fascism before the American Nazi Party. Spencer: Sure, so fascism as an actual political current is about 100 years old in the United States. The first Nazi group, or Nazi cell, in the United States formed in 1922 by German expats in the Bronx. And there were probably earlier groups that were Italian Fascist groups. Like many radical political traditions that started in Europe, in the United States these were first brought to the country by immigrants from Europe. If we look further than that, if we use fascism as a broader term involving any organized white supremacist groups, of course we'd easily go back to the 1860s and the Ku Klux Klan and similarly styled far right groups go back in the United States well before that. So fascism is a longstanding political tradition in our country. It's a century old. The fact that people can't acknowledge this shows something interesting about the psyche of the United States where people just can't admit that there are radical political movements here, or that such a noxious political movement such as fascism could take fairly, what looks like permanent roots in our country. Mike: Okay, so let's talk about the American Nazi Party itself. How was it founded? What did it do? Spencer: So before the war there were two groups that were pro-Nazi. There was the German American Bund, who were tied to the Nazi Party in various ways; and an American group called the Silver Shirts. As you may imagine, during the war, nazism became taboo in the country. A lot of the leaders were arrested. After the war it took quite a while for, what then became neo-nazism, neo-nazi groups to establish themselves. There was a group called the National States Rights Party who mostly recruited from Klan members and were the core organizers for nazis, but they did not say on the– On the outside of the package it did not say that; although on the inside it was. So the American Nazi Party was sort of special because it was the first group to openly declare itself a nazi group and to, the phrase they used was, “raise the swastika,” to actually appear in public. You know, at the time they used the old stormtrooper uniforms, these brown uniforms with a swastika armband. You rarely see it these days, but this was pretty common through the early 90s for nazi groups to do this. So the American Nazi Party was founded in 1959. There was a precursor group in 1958 by George Lincoln Rockwell. He had done advertising; was very good. And came from a vaudeville family. This is a really crazy story, but Bob Hope was actually at his christening. He used these advertising techniques to form this group. It was designed to get media attention, and the idea was for him that conservatives could never become radical enough and could never really attract the people they needed. So by using this imagery, he could attract the kinds of people that he wanted, and he could use the presence of nazis– He used to say, “No one can ignore nazis marching in the streets.” –use this public image to gain media attention which he could then use as a recruiting tool. The party was never very big. It continued through the 60s. They did a lot of– It was almost an agitprop kind of project. The kind of murders that we associate with the nazi movement these days– They had punch ups at rallies and stuff. But the kind of violence and murders that we associate with neo-nazism these days did not come until later, which is an interesting thing. He was assassinated by a fellow party member in 1967. Right before then he had changed his organizing strategy. He had a very successful rally in Marquette Park, Chicago, which was actually against Martin Luther King's plan to desegregate. It was some of his late marches doing housing desegregation in Chicago. It was in an Eastern European neighborhood, a lot of Eastern European immigrants who were resisting Black Chicagoans from moving into their neighborhood. Thousands of people came to this rally. He then changed his tack a bit. He renamed the party the National Socialist White People's Party which is a mouthful, and we'll call it the NSWPP from now on. And he renamed the party newspaper to White Power which is the slogan we know today that he coined. So it was a move from being an antisemitic nazi party to kind of being an aggressive white nationalist party because it was the first time that he had drawn a lot of grassroots support. He was assassinated. He was replaced by his subordinate Matt Koehl. At first it was three people. It was Robert Lloyd, Koehl, and William Pierce (Who's important. He later formed his own party called the National Alliance. Mike: We'll talk about them in a bit. Spencer: And he wrote a very influential book called The Turner Diaries. These three that ran the party for a while, and then, what's a nazi party without a führer? Or tin pot führer at least? Kicks the other two out. And runs the party until his death a few years ago. In 1983 the party became called New Order and actually degenerated into a Hitler-worshipping, almost private Hitler-worshipping cult. It still exists. Koehl died a few years ago and was replaced by his subordinate Martin Kerr. Mike: So before we talk about the remnants today, I want to talk about some of the splinter groups that formed in the 70s. I'm thinking the second NSLF, the National Alliance that you mentioned, the NSPA, the NSWWP. Spencer: A mouthful of alphabet soup. Mike: Yes. Spencer: So the importance of Koehl taking control is that Rockwell was a very charismatic guy. A lot of his followers really adored him. They ended up fetishizing him almost as a god-like figure. The way they had– Some of them, you know, praised him the way they had Adolf Hitler before him. In the post-war period, people had started almost worshipping and sometimes literally worshipping Hitler and made altars to him and treated him as a kind of demigod. So Koehl did not have charisma and acted in ways that alienated most of his party membership. Over the years, especially between 1973 and 1974, a lot of the party members left; the active units, they called them units the chapters, left and formed their own groups. And this became very important because this is what laid the groundwork for there to be a decentralized neo-nazi movement in the United States, the kind of which we see today. So it laid the epistemological foundation for it because before there had been a single party, a single organization with chapters. Now there were all these separate groups that had different relationships with them and that could pursue different strategies. And they did pursue different strategies. So the first big split was in 1970 when William Pierce is kicked out. This takes a little while for the real splintering to happen. So the first group I'll talk about is the National Socialist Liberation Front because their influence can be felt today on the alt-right, on the terrorist wing of the neo-nazis today. It was originally the name was used in the late 60s as a college student group that William Pierce actually ran that was associated with the party. They were trying to take off the energy of the New Left. You know, there were a lot of liberation fronts was a popular name for armed new left groups. This was an attempt to recruit college students. It only got one good organizer which we can talk about later which was David Duke. It was never an independent entity. The name was revived in 1974 when, probably the best organizer in the United States, Joseph Tommasi, who was based in Los Angeles, was suspended by the party, and he founded his own group. They used the NSLF name. Mike: Can you talk about why he was suspended? Spencer: He was– There's a lot of discussion about this. Accusations that he was– Some of it was cultural clashes within the nazis. He was pulling off the counterculture. He had long hair. They didn't like to dress in uniform. They wore like fatigues and stuff. He was accused of bringing his girlfriends over to the party headquarters. Koehl was making all of the party members (They had bought their own headquarters. This was a time they still had physical headquarters was an emphasis.) sell their headquarters. They made all the chapters sell their headquarters buildings and give the proceeds to Koehl which angered a lot of people and caused a lot of these splits because the people themselves had bought them, and they just thought he was trying to enrich himself which he probably was. He was basically shutting the party down and making a cult around himself and taking all the money. But there was a very interesting– What probably really prompted it is– It's attached to the Watergate scandal. Someone in the C.R.E.E.P. (The group, the Nixon support group that got involved in Watergate, it was an acronym for them.) hired Tommasi's nazis to help get another far right, a little more moderate, party on the ballot in California to pull votes away from Republicans. This was the American Independent Party. It has a funny history. It comes out of the George Wallace campaigns earlier. Then later, I think Cliven Bundy from the Bundy ranch actually joined. Remnants of the party exist today and have attracted people from the militia movement. [Spencer's correction to this story: https://twitter.com/transform6789/status/1388206831630180362?s=19] Anyway, these nazis were hired by Republicans to get another far right party on the ballot to pull votes away in a certain election. I forget the details now. I'm sorry. The party– Koehl was angry that he had made this deal. This made the newspapers. It made the New York Times and stuff. This angered the party that he had done this without their permission. And they took money from it. So that may have been– A lot of more serious people think that was the actual reason for the initial suspension. And then there was a break when Tommasi formed his own group. The NSLF was important because they openly advocated armed resistance and bombings and such and did do a few of these, although rather moderate in Los Angeles. This was a break from the parent party which always stressed legality. While there had been violent currents in it, they were really kept kind of under the rug, and it was just a sort of wing of the party of certain people including William Pierce. And then Tommasi didn't last long, though. He was killed in a scuffle with members of the former party at his former headquarters. He accosted one and the guy had this kid, an 18-year-old, and he shot him. Tommasi again, another charismatic organizer, founded this group, but didn't last long. That group however did continue it had four different leaders and continued until 1986. James Mason, who we'll talk about later, joined that group after Tommasi's passing. Mike: Okay so that's the NSLF. What about the National Alliance? Spencer: The National Alliance is a group founded by William Pierce after he got kicked out of the NSWPP. He was flirting with Willis Carto, another major nazi leader who became, amongst other things, the main popularizer of Holocaust denial in America. They had a falling out. Carto had a falling out with everyone. Pierce founded– The group was originally the National Youth Alliance, then became the National Alliance. It was a membership based group. They tried to recruit professionals. Pierce had been an engineering professor out in Oregon before he joined the party. He was very articulate. He did not have the sort of crass approach, you know. He produced more sophisticated propaganda as well as sort of more interesting theoretical documents. So they continued. The remnants of the group exists today. They had up to a thousand members. They ended up having a huge group property out in West Virginia. It was the headquarters building. He lived there. He wrote a book in the 70s called The Turner Diaries which is a really badly written book. It's a fantasy novel about how some white supremacists will form a terrorist movement, and they will help promote a race war, through terrorism will promote a race war in America. And you know this will end up in the Day of the Rope where the white supremacists kill people of color and Jews and create a white ethnostate. It's a tremendously popular book around the world. It's sold up to a half a million copies. You can still get it today. It still inspires people today. So Pierce's group, they didn't do a lot of public actions especially till later in life.  Although, their probably biggest rally was in 2002. It was a supposedly pro-Palestine rally in Washington, D.C., that blamed Israel for 9/11, and hundreds of people came to it. They tended to shy away from this stuff. But it was the biggest group, and the most serious group, in the United States for many years. After Pierce died, of course they tried to continue the group and everyone broke up into squabbling. One of the main organizers who's come out of it who's still active today is Billy Roper who's part of the Shield Wall project in Arkansas. I think there's one chapter left. The headquarters of the party still exists. There's been a bunch of legal fights with everyone engaged in lawsuits and various other physical conflicts with each other, and the group has sort of degenerated. So that's the second one, that's the National Alliance. Mike: Okay, so let's talk about–you actually mentioned this on Twitter kind of the other day–the NSPA. Spencer: The NSPA actually was another one of the early splinters that left in 1970. Led by a fellow named Michael Collin. [The name is actually Frank Collin -Mike] They were based in Chicago. They had seen or taken part in Rockwell's popular organizing in Marquette Park in the 60s, and they didn't understand why the party wouldn't follow up with that. And that's what they wanted to do. Again, there was a fighting over the headquarters building. They split off formed their own group. A very small group until they started having rallies in Marquette Park that were still resisting desegregation and attracted community support. Basically, no one wanted to side with this white community that did not want Black people to move in, and they became their champions. And part of the– The thing here is that people in the neighborhood, there were a lot of like Ukrainian immigrants, people who had been from countries that were occupied by the Nazis, who were pro-Nazi. A lot of the areas the Nazis occupied people, you know what I mean, supported them. There were a lot of people, basically, with collaborationist backgrounds, and they didn't have a problem with this. And the nazis championed their cause. And they would hold large rallies in Marquette Park. Some of them attracted thousands of people. They became most famous for the Skokie incident which apparently is being forgotten today by younger people. but was known to everybody in the United States of a certain age. The Chicago city tried to stop them from having their Marquette rallies by putting a bunch of legal barriers. They had to have a huge insurance– Had to take insurance out to do it that was unaffordable. So to get around this they threatened a march in Skokie, Illinois, which was a largely Jewish suburb, wealthy suburb. A lot of Holocaust survivors lived there. Skokie resisted them through legal means. Eventually the case went to the Supreme Court. It was in the national news for like a year or so. It started in 1977. Went to the Supreme Court. The ACLU championed it. The ACLU had been defending nazis before this but this became what they're famous for. Their most famous case. The Supreme Court upheld that local cities could not put unreasonable blocks such as insurance requirements on political groups from marching including nazis. They couldn't stop them from using particular symbols or something. They attempted to ban that. So everyone knew there were neo-nazis in America. It also made the NSPA briefly the most important nazi group, neo-nazi group in America, because at this point there was all these splinter factions from the NSWPP and were all vying to be the most important group or to set up, or attract other groups to them, or to lead coalitions of them. There were different formulations of this. They all had, you know, weird relationships with each other as they were doing this. So the NSPA, because of this lawsuit and the attention it got, became the most popular of these groups, and certainly the most well known of these groups briefly. It eclipsed even the parent party for a while. So that was probably the high point of attention of neo-nazism in America in the 70s. Although, throughout the decade, nazis would consistently make the newspapers. They were a very small movement; had maybe a thousand people in the movement in the US. It became, unlike in the 60s, newspapers, the media started to really love them. So there's tons of coverage of various nazi splinter groups in the various cities for all of their actions. There's a documentary film called California Reich. You can watch it on YouTube. We'll talk about it in a minute. It's about a group in California and such. There was lots of stuff like that. These two things weren't outliers. Mike: Okay, so– Spencer: So Collin– Oh there's a funny ending to it. Collin and his people, they started running for alderman and like city council in Chicago. Some of them did quite well, got like 16% of the vote. But quickly the party started to wane in popularity. Collin's subordinates wanted to get rid of him, so they rifled through his desk and found child porn of him with young teenage boys. They turn him in to the police. He was arrested for child molestation. It also came out his father was a Jewish man who had been in a concentration camp. So there was some real deep stuff going on here. Even though he was a successful organizer, right, against the odds. He went to jail. He was replaced by Harold Covington. We can talk about Covington if we want. He's important in the Greensboro Massacre and then died only a few years ago. Remained an organizer. And then Covington was replaced by someone else and the party frittered away. But yeah, there was a real plot twist in that one after Skokie. Mike: Okay, do you want to talk about the NSWWP? Spencer: Sure, so this was a group– This was the California leader Allen Vincent. He, like everyone else, broke off of the parent party. Founded– He was important cause he was– He wasn't a charismatic organizer, but he could attract followers, and he really liked to get in street fights just as a person. He was a good, stable organizer unlike a lot of these people. Did a lot of crazy rallies in San Francisco. So of course there were fights at his events. At one point he opened a bookstore I believe in the Sunset neighborhood of San Francisco on the same block as a synagogue that a bunch of survivors went to. His bookstore was quickly burned down. He worked with James Mason. Worked with him for a while between 1978 and 1980. Was the editor of his paper The Stormer. Briefly, after the NSPA star faded, his group became a national group. This lasted a few years and it faded away like many of these other groups. So he was well known for the documentary California Reich was filmed about his group while it was still a chapter of the NSWPP before he broke away and became the NSWWP, just to totally confuse anybody about these acronyms. Mike: The National Socialist White– Spencer: White Workers Party. The original group is the National Socialist White People's Party. His group is the National Socialist White Workers Party. Although you might think they're more of an anticapitalist group from the parent party that wasn't true. He lived quite a while through the late 90s. He popped back up in the late 90s, met Jeff Shoep who at the time was running the National Socialist Movement, and became his mentor for a brief period of time. Then he passed away. Mike: Now let's talk about the groups that exist today or the various remnants of it today. So I was going to start with Don Black and Stormfront. Spencer: So Don Black was originally in the National Socialist Youth Movement. It was sort of part of the parent party for people who were under eighteen. There were all these names of these other groups, so people didn't– Their membership card didn't say American Nazi Party or NSWPP. You know he left like many other people. Many neo-nazis, almost all neo-nazis from the 70s were in the party at least at first. That was everybody's entre into this world. So he had been involved in the Dominica debacle. This was in 1981. A group of white supremacists were hired to invade the Caribbean island of Dominica and overthrow the government. They'd made a deal with the– The leader had been deposed and they were going to allow the white supremacists to keep a base there. They were turned in, of course, by somebody, and they all went to jail including Don Black. Later however, he founded Stormfront. It was an early– It wasn't the first at all, but it became the first very popular neo-nazi website. The important thing, it had all these forums where people could have discussions. And it was publicly available, so it was easy for reporters, especially, to go look at the discussions and be able to quote from them which became very important for its visibility. And this was the biggest neo-nazi or white nationalist website really until The Daily Stormer I believe in 2016-2017. So now it's a bit– If you look at it, it's clearly a web 1.0 website and looks a little old school. But it's still the main popular site throughout the 90s and the 00s. And it's still I think for people who are probably gen X and older who are white supremacists, it's still the place that they hang out at. So it had a very important place in the– You know, nazis and other white nationalists have always had a hard time because they were locked out–especially before social media in the last few years even–they were locked out of mainstream platforms. And they need to have alternative platforms. Nazis are actually early adopters to the bbs. The first Nazi or white supremacist bbs opened in 1983. It was actually founded by a former member of Hitler Youth that moved to the United States. And so they were very early adapters to this technology because it was a way for them to get around the media block out. I mean even if they printed newspapers, they couldn't sell them at newsstands. You know even these weird tankie communist sects could sell their newspapers at least some newsstands. Mike: Right. Okay so next up, I guess his story intersects with Don Black's story. We'll talk about occasional political candidate, former Klan leader, former NSLF member David Duke. Spencer: So Duke was a member of the original college student NSLF. He essentially took it over. He was at a party conference in the early 70s, and at this conference, they said NSLF will be– The group itself is changing its name to the White Student Alliance and Duke will be the leader. And this is interesting because it shows Duke's evolution from an outright neo-nazi– He went to school in Louisiana and would go do these free speech– There was a free speech zone, and he would go sell the NSLF newspaper and give neo-nazi speeches. It was a big– You know, he was very well known on campus for this and attracted a lot of attention. There's pictures of him in a Nazi uniform demonstrating against one of the lefty Jewish lawyers Kunstler who had gone to speak at his school. He had a sign that said “Gas the Chicago Seven” who was this left leaning, it was this left leaning political trial in the late 60s. So he took over this new group, and the group kept evolving. So it's originally the National Socialist Liberation Front; then it's the White Student Alliance; then it's the White Youth Alliance; and then it's the Nationalist Party. And then he forms a Ku Klux Klan group or joins one, it's a little vague, the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. And this is important because it shows his evolution from a nazi to a kind of white nationalist youth organizer– to a white nationalist student organizer to a white nationalist youth organizer to just a white nationalist organizer. So each time the pool is rippling out, and he's trying to find the right formula that attracts the most people, from very niche to much broader. He becomes– So he forms this newfangled Klan group that doesn't wear hoods, and he's very good with media. This was sort of a new thing to have somebody appear in media who was dressed nice and could talk well, wasn't trying to– You know, Rockwell had waved swastikas in people's faces and was trying to infuriate them, and Duke was doing exactly the opposite. Became very successful. Was very young. He was still in his twenties. He was running one of the more successful Klan groups. One of the things he's remembered for today, he started a Klan Border Watch on the California border to attempt to patrol for illegal immigrants. There he was working with Tom Metzger who later became popular for other things as well as Louis Beam. These were two white supremacist leaders in the 80's who promoted armed struggle. Were the most militant leaders. Started out in Duke's Klan. And as well as Don Black. And I believe Duke married Black's ex-wife. They were all entangled in these ways. So after the Klan stuff he starts running for office in Louisiana and does quite well. And at one point is elected state representative in Louisiana in 1989. This is sort of the high point of the wave of conservatism that goes along with Reagan's reign of power from 1980 to 88, which continues with Bush I to 92. There becomes a revival of popular mainstream American racism. And sort of white flight that had started is very ensconced. There's all these racial conflicts in the late 80s and early 90s like Howard Beach and the Hasidic Jewish and Black riots in Crown Heights. So there's an incredible amount of violent racial tension in the country at the time, and so he's sort of taking advantage of this. He runs for other offices, does quite well, but can't get elected again. And then he's mostly well known for this, and it's the slow burn for the next few decades. He was at Charlottesville which was an interesting moment. To me, this was a sort of handing of the torch from from him to Richard Spencer as the mainstream white nationalist leader. That's how I saw what went on. Although, you know, they didn't actually rally at Charlottesville. The rally itself was dispersed by the police before it began. There was no speeches or ceremony which he could do this, although there was some speeches in a park later. Mike: Let's talk about the National Socialist Movement. Spencer: Yes. The NSM was yet another splinter party. It was formed in 1975 by people who again had come out of the NSWPP. Robert Brannan was its leader. They were sort of going in different directions at the same time. Some of the elements, which included James Mason as well as a guy named Greg Hurls, wanted a more pro-armed struggle line. They were very close to the NSLF. Brannan wanted a more sort of traditional thing, what was called the “uniform and demonstrate” which meant that they would get people in nazi uniforms and hold a rally in public and attract a lot of media attention. People would come and protest and that would just spur that. One of the things they did–they were based in Ohio, southern Ohio–they used to hold a “Free Rudolph Hess” rally I think for over a dozen years in Cincinnati. He was a Nazi leader. He had parachuted to Britain with the intent of creating a peace deal with the British in the early 40s I believe, and then remained imprisoned until his death. I think he committed suicide in the– I think he died in the late 80s early 90s. He lived a long time in Spandau Prison. So this group had some popularity in the early-mid 70s. There was of course splintering of this as Mason left it and went to work with Allen Vincent's group.  And it remained a tiny group with one or two units until the 90s when the then-leader, second leader Clifford Harrington, recruited a teenager named Jeff Shoep. Harrington wasn't a great organizer, but he did, unlike some people, understood there was a revival in neo-nazism in the 80s and 90s through the skinhead thing and wanted to recruit nazi skinheads. Got Shoep to take the party over for him, and then Shoep grew it into the leading neo-nazi party in the United States. It had dozens of chapters in the 00s in particular. I think around 2006 was its height which is a very unusual time for it to be successful. Partly they were pulling from the rest of the movement. The National Alliance collapsed, and other groups in the movement collapsed and they were able to sort of steal their local units and absorb them. But that group still exists today. They were at Charlottesville. They make the news. They just were in the news. There was a rally in Arizona. They're the main group, if you want a nazi group that's going to go and march in uniforms or use nazi symbols–instead of the old brownshirt uniforms, they use black uniforms–and put swastikas on a flag to get attention, that's the group that will do that. So they are on their fourth leader now, Burt Colucci I believe, who like many of them just got arrested. A number of the members have murdered people over the years. A lot of people who– They're sort of the least together group. Yeah they're the kind of group that if you have some sort of countercultural affiliation, if you're not interested in being a professional organizer that you might want to join, if you're a biker, if you're like a skinhead, and if its important for you to have a card saying you belong to a nazi party and you want to yell at people in public that you're a nazi and beat your chest about that and talk about how much you love Adolf Hitler, this is the group for you. It's not a sophisticated organizing project. Mike: Alright, so you have a book in the works about this next one. Let's talk about James Mason, Universal Order, and Siege. Spencer: So I've been working on this book for a while. One day it will be done. James Mason was a teenage member of the American Nazi Party in the 1960s although he never met Rockwell. His mentor in the party was William Pierce. So he met Pierce when he was I believe sixteen years old. Pierce let Mason, who was having a hard time at home, run away from home and stay with him at the party headquarters. Taught him how to– Or got him to learn how to use a printing press which was important before computers. A lot of groups would physically produce their own newspapers themselves with their own printing presses. This helped him out since it was very difficult for nazis to find a printer that would print their publications. So he was in the American Nazi Party. He was in it as it became the NSWPP. He hung around for a while and didn't leave until later. But then he ended up starting to join these other splinter groups while staying in the party. He left in 76. By that time he had already helped form the NSM, and he had also joined secretly the NSLF. This was after Tommasi died, so under the second leader. And he was a supporter of the National Alliance. So at one point, he's a super insider who's like a member of four different neo-nazi parties. And he's always wrangling in the mid 70s as the different groups try to create– try to become the lead group or create an alliance of different groups to overtake the NSWPP. What unites them is that they all hate Koehl who's that leader. They can't do it, as I said before. The NSPA become the leader for a moment because of the Skokie incident. Mason fought with everyone. He did this thing you see from some activists who are sort of sectarian, is they get more and more theoretically specific and crankier and crankier; they fall out with more and more people until they run a project that's really just them and whoever is helping them directly. So he has a falling out with the NSM, and he joins Allen Vincent's group. Runs his newspaper, but he doesn't really like Vincent because he's not radical enough. Mason is deciding more and more that it's hopeless to do public organizing. He comes up with some very strange ideas, not just that nazis should engage in guerilla warfare, but at the time there starts to be these nazi serial killers. Nazis start doing these multiple murders, like Joseph Paul Franklin are serial killers. He killed up to 22 people. He was another former NSWPP member. Roved around he country as a sniper killing mixed race and other couples– Mixed race couples and others, Black people, Jews. And other people just start butchering people, either just doing these random murders or doing workplace massacres. One of the first of them was in New Rochelle by Fred Cowan in New Rochelle, New York. It's just north of New York City in 1977. And there's a lot of serial killers at this time. It's the height for serial killers in America. And so Mason comes up with this theory that not just is guerilla warfare good but these racially based murders are good by nazis and by others. And that the nazis can use them as an attempt to destabilize the system–he starts calling it the system–because nazis can never work through legal means to build a party that will be able to take over the system. He's like every time we try to do this, we get shut down. We either get shut down in the streets, or the courts shut us down, or just shut out of the media. That had been Rockwell's strategy was to attract media attention and build an organization. He's like, “We can't do any of that. We really don't need organization. We need mass chaos to disrupt the system, and only after the system is disrupted will nazis have a chance to take power. He eventually later on starts to praise armed radical left and Black nationalist groups who are coming into conflict with the system, which he doesn't in the 70s but he starts doing it in the 80s. So he has a falling out with Vincent. The NSLF, this is revived under its third leader in 1980, becomes public again. It had actually been absorbed into Allen Vincent's group and then it comes back out as a separate group. He restarts Siege. It's originally the NSLF newspaper. It's sort of their theoretical paper. But it's just him running it, and he's developing these ideas about how murder can be used to forward the nazi cause. Then he comes into contact with Charles Manson. Starts to promote that Manson should be the new nazi guru, just like George Lincoln Rockwell had been, just like Adolf Hitler had been. Portrays him as this spiritual racist figure. Manson had carved a swastika in his head in prison and was sympathetic. He mentions– A lot of people don't know he was extremely racist and antisemitic. This creates yet another tiff between James Mason and the people he's working with. The leader of the party at that point, the fourth leader Karl Hand, who by the way is a big fan of yours. Can I tell a story on your podcast? Mike: Yeah. Spencer: So do you know about the interest of Karl Hand in you? Mike: No. Spencer: Oh you don't? So I actually wrote– As part of this book, I'm writing people who were involved in this movement. And Karl Hand lives upstate, runs a party called the Racial Nationalist Party of America, and he was based for a long time in upstate New York. He is obsessed with you, Mike. After your appearance on Tucker Carlson, he wanted to have a fight with you. Like some sort of, go into a boxing ring, and have a fight. He's an older man now, he's in his 70s. And so I wrote him, and he sent back a whole packet of literature and it included a flier about you with a description of his attempts to contact you and arrange a fist fight with you. Mike: Huh… Spencer:  So you have a fan. You have a fan. I think he said he wrote to the school you were teaching at. Anyways you have a fan in this generation of neo-nazis. And so, anyway, Hand and Mason had a falling out. In what must have been unique in the anals of– the annals? I don't know. You can see I read a lot and don't know how to say certain words. In the history of American neo-nazism, they had an amicable split. Hand actually gave Mason some money to continue Siege. So after 1982 until 1986 Siege is just run by James Mason. It's a very small. It's like a newsletter. He printed it himself. It was six pages long. There was almost no graphics in it. It had a sort of red– It doesn't– Although Mason was a talented graphic designer, I think, it was very plain. It was mostly text. It had a red banner that was it. He ran it off on his own mimeograph machine. Made like 75 copies of it. So this small newsletter that was running 75 copies will become quite influential in retrospect. He ran this till 1986. After the split with the NSLF in 1982, Mason started saying it was published by the Universal Order which directly said that Charles Manson was their spiritual leader. Although, he didn't talk about Manson that much. He never describes what Manson's supposed to do other than, they're not just a neo-nazi group. It's neo-nazism and more. It was a kind of really spiritual national socialism. Although, he's never specific about what that means. But he clearly has been enchanted by Charles Manson and essentially become a follower of him. So this sort of peters out. He becomes more and more cynical. He even gives up that these random murders are going to do anything. He doesn't think that the system will be able to be destabilized, but he does advocate–and this is what's influential today– He says, “Either you can drop out and wait through the apocalypse,” you know that's coming. He becomes convinced that the whole system is going to crumble. And this sort of pessimism is very popular in the 80s across the political spectrum. Partly driven by the Cold War and the survivalist movement. But he says, “You can hide out and wait for the end to come, and then live through it, and we'll have our chance. Or if you're going to go be a terrorist, do it with style. Do it in a way– Don't just kill somebody and be killed. Do it in a way that has panache, and that will inspire people, and that's done well. Plan it well. Don't just freak out and shoot somebody and be killed by the police.” And this philosophy is what becomes popular with Atomwaffen remnants and others today. Like these are your two options. I think it was called “Total attack or total drop out.” By 1986, he's pretty burned out, and that's the end of it. Basically in short order, his book becomes– His newsletters become found by people in the industrial music scene, by Boyd Rice, who's this industrial musician, who's still alive today, and that denies all of this stuff that happened. He recruits several other people. He's in contact with Adam Parfrey, who founded Feral House Press which is still around today; [Michael] Moynihan, who was an industrial and then neo-folk musician; and Nicholas Schreck, a Satanist who's married to Anton LaVey's daughter Zeena. They all work to promote James Mason. They start publishing him in various things. Moynihan takes the newsletters and turns them into a book.which he publishes. It's an anthology of the newsletters. He publishes them himself called Siege in 1993. It becomes a cult classic. It's promoted by this network of people. Basically it's part of the punk rock and assorted underground music and cultural scene, there was a real right wing edge to it, part of which is a predecessor to the alt-right. People like Jim Goad who was the direct inspiration for people like Gavin McInnes of the Proud Boys. There's a lot of nazi imagery circulating, so actual nazis can function in the scene, and it's never clear who's using nazi imagery ironically, or with some interest in nazism but they're not an actual nazi, and who's an actual nazi. It's very unclear, and in this confusion, they can hide, circulate their things, and get some attention. And they do get attention with this book. It gets– There are interviews and it's covered in the alternative weekly newspapers, which were very popular at the time since the internet wasn't what it is now, many which had circulation in tens of thousands in different cities. So they were able to use this network to popularize James Mason's ideas. The book goes out of print. Gets reprinted in 2003 by a fellow in Montana. And he keeps it in circulation, and then it gets picked up with the alt-right, with the Iron March platform which is a discussion board that all these contemporary terrorists, alt-right terrorist groups, neo-nazi terrorist groups come out of, Atomwaffen and others come out of. And they reprint the book yet again. It continues to be circulated as a pro-terrorism cult classic. Mike: So do you think there are any other individuals or groups worth mentioning? Spencer: There are like scattered ones. There's a guy named Rocky Suhayda, I believe is his name who runs a group called the American Nazi Party. It used to get a lot of attention because he was good at using social media and various internet media. So people could always quote him and say the American Nazi Party says X or Y. Although, he was just a random NSWPP member. Art Jones came out of the party while he was in Chicago, and he's a sort of perennial candidate there. But in 2016, the Republicans failed to run someone against him in the primary. It was in a heavily Democratic district. And so in lieu of that he became the Republican candidate for– I forget what it was, US rep or something. And he's a nazi, a Holocaust denier. And so this was all in the news, you know “How is a Holocaust denier the Republican candidate?” This had been– This was a strategy that Nazis developed in the 70s. They would run for offices. Until the late 70s, it was a much more kind of benign movement in a way, not ideologically, but in their tactics, they had not moved into this murderous terrorism phase until a little later on. And so he continues that kind of– It's actually a toolbox of tactics that go back into the 60s: doing things that are kind of publicity stunts to get attention, one of which is running for office. So briefly Jones got in the press. He was in the press again. He tried to run again in 2020, but the Republicans finally like, they put somebody up. I mean, this is the problem, parties have limited resources. If you're putting someone up just to defeat somebody else in the primary even though you know you won't win in the general, that's a waste of your resources. It shows how nazis and other white supremacists can sort of drain resources from the mainstream in an attempt to just not let them get a foothold in the various places that they're trying to– In the various little cracks they're trying to stick their fingers in. Mike: And you mentioned Harold Covington. Do you want to talk about him too? Spencer: Sure. Covington died a couple years ago but had some influence even on the alt-right. He was again a member of the NSWPP. He had taken over the NSPA from Collin after he'd gotten Collin arrested for being a child molester and exposed him as of Jewish descent. Ran that party for a bit. He was also– Some members of his party–he was in North Carolina–took part in the Greensboro massacre in 1979 where a joint group of nazis and Klansmen had killed communists who unwisely held a “Death to the Klan” march but were not prepared for what they had prodded. He ran for attorney general around the same time in North Carolina, state attorney general, and got 40% of the vote. There are a few other instances like this where neo-nazis were able to get a huge amount of votes around this time period. This is around the period where Duke's– Well Duke's elected later, I guess. So he goes to this– He does all this crazy stuff. He goes to Africa to fight in Rhodesia. He was this contentious fellow. Had falling outs with everyone. Moves to the Pacific Northwest, and becomes the last of this old guard of people who are advocating the states in the Pacific Northwest, which are overwhelmingly white, break off from the rest of the country and form a white ethnostate. His last group was called the Northwest Front which I believe still exists today. And they would both advocate this idea, try to get involved in the various– There's a regionalist/independence movement called Cascadia that wants to break some of that area off, but it wants a kind of lefty leaning, ecological state or regionalist entity, and so he tried to give that a specifically racist cast. So this created, again, a lot of these groups in the Cascadian movement, whatever you think about it (There's a lot of kooks.) they had to move and take their resources just to fight the white nationalists within their ranks, to make sure the white na– Because it was popular. You go to Portland; you see people with Cascadian flags on their porches and stuff. There's a sort of intuitive popularity for it there. So they then had to redirect resources to fight against these people, to show that they weren't racist. It might have been good in a way because it forces groups to commit to an anti-racist stance. The presence of white nationalists sometimes does shape up these majority groups to affirm anti-racism. So maybe there is a silver lining to that. Mike: Dr. Sunshine, thank you again for coming on The Nazi Lies Podcast. You can keep up to date with Dr. Sunshine's writings through his newsletter the Sonnenschein Update which you can find on his website. And you can donate to his Patreon. It's also on his website, spencersunshine.com. This has been real fun. Hope we can have you back again for a book release. Spencer: Yeah, it was great chatting with you as always, Mike. [Theme song]

Historical Perspectives Myles gives the run-down on far-right organizing in the Twin Cities as Stop the Steal, Proud Boys, Qanon, and militia groups walk into the big tent, largely unchallenged by mainstream conservatives. Then, former National Socialist Movement chairman Jeff Schoep is joined by Anti-Racist Action organizers Katrina Knutson and Jay Nevilles in a look back at fascist and anti-fascist organizing in the Twin Cities in the 80s-2000s. Music this week is local bands Atomic Lights and Cat Breath, and fictional band The Ain't Rights performing Nazi Punks Fuck Off from the film Greenroom. As always, we lean pretty heavily on This Week in Fascism published at It's Going Down. Our theme song is written and performed by Dan Carroll, with Wes Mitchell on drums. If you've got money you don't want, think about supporting the show by supporting the bands on bandcamp (linked above,) This Week in Fascism on LiberaPay, and/or us on Patreon! Find out more at https://unbalanced.pinecast.co

Welcome to the Idavox Report on Revolution Radio! Hello and welcome to another Idavox Report on Revolution Radio, here to show you that hate has consequences. We are honored to welcome Daryle Lamont-Jenkins to the show tonight. Daryle is a long-time comrade and activist who has been working for 30 years to weed out and...

Welcome to the Idavox Report on Revolution Radio! Hello and welcome to another Idavox Report on Revolution Radio, here to show you that hate has consequences. We are honored to welcome Daryle Lamont-Jenkins to the show tonight. Daryle is a long-time comrade and activist who has been working for 30 years to weed out and...

Tragedies in places like El Paso, Charleston, Charlottesville, Oak Creek, Pittsburgh, Louisville, and many others, have led many to the same conclusion: that in many cases, gun violence and white supremacy are tied together. To begin to untie that knot, hosts Kelly and JJ are joined by two individuals who know supremacy groups inside and out: Seth Daire and Corinna Olsen. Seth was once a member of the Christian Identity movement, and now is a researcher on extremism and the far right. Corinna was a leader in the National Socialist Movement who left, publicly disavowed the movement, and converted to Islam. Together, we discuss why people join hate groups, why they leave, and the roles guns play in all of these groups. Mentioned in this podcast:Sisters in Hate (Darby)Leaving White Nationalism (Southern Poverty Law Center)The Flexibility of Grand Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories (Extremism Research) The American right wing is enabling a dual crisis: gun violence and white supremacy (the Guardian) Brady Denounces Armed Vigilantes and Extremists (Brady)For more information on Brady, follow us on social media @Bradybuzz or visit our website at bradyunited.org.Full transcripts and bibliographies of this episode are available at bradyunited.org/podcast.Enjoy some treats from Hu's Kitchen, like chocolate free of dairy, gluten, refined sugar, palm oil, and cane sugar!National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255. Music provided by: David “Drumcrazie” CurbySpecial thanks to Hogan Lovells for their long-standing legal support ℗&©2019 Red, Blue, and BradySupport the show (https://www.bradyunited.org/donate)

Jeff Schoep is the Founder and CEO of Beyond Barriers, a non-profit organization dedicated to helping people leave extremist organizations as well as providing support and connections to individuals and communities affected by extremism.
Before starting Beyond Barriers, Jeff Schoep lead the largest Neo-Nazi organization in the United States from 1994-2019. After 25 years as the National Leader of the National Socialist Movement, Jeff now uses his past experience and insights to help combat and prevent violent extremism.
 In addition to founding Beyond Barriers, Jeff is an international extremism consultant, human rights activist and public speaker. Actively working to promote peace building while helping to educate communities, and policy makers. We talk with Jeff about why he initially joined NSM, what helped him de-radicalize and begin to help others.

In this episode Daniel and Jack take another look at Matt Heimbach, formerly of the Traditionalist Workers Party and National Socialist Movement, and his supposed turn to anti-racism. Content Warning Contains Clips Notes and Links: Matt Heimbach SPLC. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/matthew-heimbach SPLC article 'Two Prominent Neo-Nazis Recant, but Their Actions Sow Doubts' https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/05/14/two-prominent-neo-nazis-recant-their-actions-sow-doubts Everything You Love Will Burn. https://www.amazon.com/Everything-You-Love-Will-Burn/dp/1568589948 Vice White Student Union documentary (from 2013). https://youtu.be/GJ_MHp8iqtQ Matt Heimbach assaults woman at Trump rally 2016. https://youtu.be/-YeYZtXHo8E Kelly Weill article on Night of Wrong Wives. https://www.thedailybeast.com/matthew-heimbachs-traditional-workers-party-implodes-over-love-triangle-turned-trailer-brawl Matt Heimbach joins Light Upon Light. https://youtu.be/w4DGkvsJLP8 Light Upon Light Upon Light (independent blog critical of LuL.) https://lightuponlightuponlight.home.blog Take A Walk On the Right Side podcast. https://anchor.fm/take-a-walk-on-the-right-side * Relevant previous episodes: Episode 8: The National Socialist Movement Episode 28: The Siege Pill, Part 1 Episode 29: The Siege Pill, Part 2 Episode 3: Unite the Right, Part 1 Episode 4: Unite the Right, Part 2 * Jack's splenetic ramblings on J. K. Rowling, Part 1, Part 2, review of Fantastic Beasts 2

In episode 2, Naama sits down with Daryl Davis, a blues musician, author, and humanitarian, and Jeff Schoep, the former leader of the National Socialist Movement, to discuss the story of their unlikely friendship and address issues of racial animosity and hatred in America. Davis's singular efforts to improve race relations have been covered by NPR, the Washington Post, and CNN. He is also the subject of 2016 independent documentary entitled, "Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America." Schoep served as commander of the NSM, "America's largest neo-Nazi organization," for over 20 years before stepping down and publicly denouncing the movement in March of 2019. Today, he shares his story in an effort to combat hate and extremism. —————————————————————————— Esc-Hate is hosted and produced by Naama Kates with Light Upon Light for Crawlspace Media. —————————————————————————— Theme music for Esc-Hate is composed by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————————— Learn more about this organization and how to get involved by visiting www.LightUponLight.online. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

Hello world! Since we’re all still quarantining, I’m dropping a second episode of ESC-Hate into the feed this week! —————————————————————————— If you enjoy, please subscribe over at www.anchor.fm/esc_hate, or simply search for “ESC-Hate” in your favorite podcast directory. Stay safe! —————————————————————————— In episode 2, Naama sits down with Daryl Davis, a blues musician, author, and humanitarian, and Jeff Schoep, the former leader of the National Socialist Movement, to discuss the story of their unlikely friendship and address issues of racial animosity and hatred in America.  Davis's singular efforts to improve race relations have been covered by NPR, the Washington Post, and CNN. He is also the subject of 2016 independent documentary entitled, "Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America." Schoep served as commander of the NSM, "America's largest neo-Nazi organization," for over 20 years before stepping down and publicly denouncing the movement in March of 2019. Today, he shares his story in an effort to combat hate and extremism. —————————————————————————— ESC-Hate is hosted and produced by Naama Kates with Light Upon Light for Crawlspace Media. —————————————————————————— Theme music for ESC-Hate is composed by Cyrus Melchor. —————————————————————————— Learn more about this organization and how to get involved by visiting www.LightUponLight.online.   --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/incel/support

Nick Lowles, CEO of HOPE not hate, sat down to discuss the neo-Nazi Satanist group the Order of the Nine Angles, and their promotion of terror in the digital space. The O9A have been linked to violent far-right groups such as Combat 18, the National Socialist Movement, National Action, Sonnenkrieg Division, Atomwaffen Division, and many more. The leading light of the O9A, David Myatt, a man known by acquaintances as 'The Cat Strangler' because of his proclivity for animal torture, has consistently promoted human sacrifice and abuse in his writings. We are seeing the most extreme form of far-right ideology grow and spread in online spaces, where the fog of anonymity is being used to protect those who wish to recruit vulnerable young people to their poisonous ideology.After countless instances of O9A propaganda appearing unnoticed as a factor in the radicalisation of terrorists, HOPE not hate are now calling for the government to act and for O9A to be proscribed.

Beyond Barriers series introduction with Jeff Schoep. "Dismantling the barriers that imprison our minds" Going through this series Jeff Schoep will be discussing what brings individuals into extremism & how to break the barriers and mindsets that keep individuals imprisoned in extremist movements. After over 20 years as a staunch Nazi, Jeff Schoep left the movement. The former commander of the National Socialist Movement now works to combat extremism. Working to promote peace while helping to educate communities and policy makers. For more information on Jeff Schoep please visit: https://jeffschoep.com Follow Jeff Schoep on Twitter - @SchoepJeff Facebook: @theofficialjeffschoep --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/beyondbarriersradio/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/beyondbarriersradio/support

In this episode, Daniel tells Jack all about the present-day American Nazis, in the forms of the Traditionalist Workers Party (TWP), the National Socialist Movement (NSM), and related people and organisations, especially the Nationalist Front.  We pay special attention to the best known representative of this nauseating subculture, Matthew Heimbach, and touch on the internal debacle which became known as 'The Night of the Wrong Wives'. Warnings apply - as always. Reminder: we're on iTunes and YouTube * Show Notes Christopher Hasson - Lt. in the Coast Guard, planning fascist domestic terrorism - arrested * Book: Everything You Love Will Burn by Vegas Tenold * National Socialist Movement website Black Civil Rights Advocate Takes Control of the NSM TWP Website (Archived) Nationalist Front Vice Documentary "White Student Union" 2013 Matt Heimbach American Freedom Party 2013 Heimbach assaults woman at Trump Rally The Neo-Nazi Has No Clothes Article about Tony Hovater "A Voice of Hate in America's Heartland." The Night of Wrong Wives Heimbach becomes community outreach director for NSM Heimbach removed from NSM White Right: Meeting the Enemy (available on Netflix) SPLC file on Matthew Heimbach SPLC file on TWP SPLC file on Jeff Schoep SPLC file on NSM League of the South secedes from the Nationalist Front Matt Heimbach on the Radical Agenda * Wrong With Authority episode on Mississippi Burning

We kick off the episode with a discussion about anarchism and voting. After a roundup of resistance to capitalism and the state, our feature this episode is about Trump's deployment of thousands of troops to “defend the border” and how it is in most people's interest to push back on this latest precedent of using the military against civilian populations. We remember recently deceased anarchists Zhlobitsky Mikhail Vasilyevich and Kevin Garrido. There are calls for mobilizations on the border in the coming weeks, updates from the Vaughn 17 trial, and announcements of anti-fascist actions for the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht. Send us news, events, or ideas on how our show can better serve anarchist activity in your town by emailing us at podcast@crimethinc.com. {November 7, 2018}   -------SHOW NOTES------   Table of Contents: Introduction: Anarchism vs. Voting {0:00} Headlines {5:10} Turning the Army against the People: Border Militarization and the Migrant Caravan {10:45} Remembering anarchists Zhlobitsky Mikhail Vasilyevich and Kevin Garrido {19:25} Repression roundup {24:30} Next Week's News {31:15} Download 29:30 minutes long version. Upcoming events/demos/etc: November 8–11: International Days of Action against Fascism and Anti-Semitism. November 10: A rally and march in NYC for International Days of Action against Fascism and Anti-Semitism. Gather at 1pm at 83rd and Lexington Ave. November 10: A meeting of the Jewish Antifascist Network of the Triangle in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at Peace and Justice Plaza to hold a service for those murdered in the Holocaust and in recent white supremacist and anti-Semitic attacks November 10: A call for counter demos against PEGIDA's anti-Muslim and anti-refugee demonstration in Toronto. Meet at 12pm in Mel Lastman Square. November 10: a demonstration in Little Rock, Arkansas against the white supremacist National Socialist Movement. Meet at the capitol steps at 500 Woodlane St at 12pm. November 11: this month's PDX Rad Movie Night, hosted by Portland Anarchist Black Cross and Oregon Jericho, presents The Gentleman Bank Robber, the story of queer revolutionary and former political prisoner Rita Bo Brown. The screening, followed by a discussion, will be taking place at 6PM at the Social Justice Action Center at 400 SE 12th Ave. - November 16–18: School of the Americas Watch is hosting a border encuentro directly on the US/Mexico border in Nogales, Arizona and Sonora. November 17: A Stand Against Proud Boys action in Philadelpha, to counter Proud Boys who are planning to attend a rally called We the People. Meet at Washington Square Park at 6th and Walnut Streets. November 26 in London, England: A meeting to plan solidarity events for January 19 in support of anti-fascists facing persecution in Russia. The meeting will take place at Mayday Rooms, located at 88 Fleet St. December 17(ish): in Brownsville, Texas, people are planning to Meet the Migrants at the Border, in greeting them food and love! This date is currently tentative, as it is unclear when the migrant caravan will actually arrive. Organizers point out that there are five other points of entry on the Texas border the migrant caravan may try, and are encouraging people to organize more events. Here's a link to their Facebook page. Duluth, Minnesota: Anti-fascist and anti-white supremacy People's General Assemblies will be taking place weekly, Tuesdays at 6 PM in People's Power Plaza Upcoming anarchist book fairs and gatherings: November 10: Anarchist Book Fair Amsterdam November 17–18: The Seattle Anarchist Book Fair November 17–18: The Boston Anarchist Book Fair Lastly, anarchists in Umea, Sweden are hosting their first ever bookfair from November 29 to December 2. Mutual Aid Disaster Relief is on tour until late November! This week's dates: November 9: Lincoln, NE. 6:30 pm @ F Street Community Center 1225 F St Lincoln, NE 68508 November 10: Lincoln, NE. 10:00 am @ F Street Community Center 1225 F St Lincoln, NE 68508 November 14: Kansas Cito, MO. 6:00 pm @ Kansas City Public Library Lucile H Bluford Branch 3050 Prospect Ave Kansas City, MO 64128 November 15: Kansas Cito, MO. 10:00 am @ Kansas City Public Library Lucile H Bluford Branch 3050 Prospect Ave Kansas City, MO 64128 A complete list of tour dates and locations can be found here. Other anarchist critiques of voting and democracy: “Voting vs. Direct Action” “The Party's Over: Beyond Politics, Beyond Democracy” “From Democracy To Freedom” “False Hope vs. Real Change” The Ex-Worker #51: “Anarchism, Voting, and Direct Action: An Audio Zine” The Ex-Worker #48: “From Democracy to Freedom Audio Zine” The Ex-Worker #47: “Introducing the Anarchist Critique of Democracy” Other Crimethinc material referenced in this episode: “Fuck Abuse, Kill Power” “The Thin Blue Line is a Burning Fuse” “Turning the Army against the People: Border Militarization and the Migrant Caravan” “ On the Attack against the FSB in Russia, Including a Statement from the Anarchist Who Carried It Out” The Centro de Cultura Libertária of Cacilhas-Almada, which was founded in 1974 and is the oldest anarchist cultural center in Portugal, is facing eviction due to rampant real estate speculation and gentrification. To help contribute to their crowdfunding efforts, you can donate via the “Contribute” button here on their website. C.C.L. bank account details for donations Holder: CENTRO DE CULTURA LIBERTÁRIA IBAN: PT50003501790000215493029 (Bank: Caixa Geral de Depósitos) To put pressure on the prison where Jason Walker is being held about the cruel treatment he and other prisoners are enduring, you can ring the warden's office at (936) 295–5756 or try emailing the warden at kelly.strong@tdcj.texas.gov. Court support for the Vaughn Trial is welcome! Court is ongoing every weekday from 10am–5pm in Courtroom 8B at 500 N King St, Wilmington, DE. Supporters of the seven strikers at the Toledo Correctional Institution are calling for a phone zap, especially because strikers have been met with rubber bullets in the past in retaliation. You can call ORDC director at 614–387–0588 or Toledo Correctional Institution at 419–726–7977. Sample script: “I am calling on behalf of David Easley, Richard Harris, Elijah Bowen, and James Ward, and all others on hunger strike. We know they have been severely punished with mace and rubber bullets, and I am asking of you to ensure they are not subjected to any further abuse for their actions. I stand behind their demands against adding more solitary confinement wings, and ask that their concerns are addressed promptly. Solitary confinement is extreme and inhumane, and not a solution to overcrowding… no one should be held in solitary because your facilities are inadequate to house them otherwise. There are also reports of harassment and abuse in the 4B overflow units, and I ask that you immediately take steps to guarantee that guards are not tampering with food or denying prisoners proper meals, and lift any restrictions that would prohibit prisoners from receiving books.” If you have some time, consider joining the campaign to free the Virgin Island 3 with the Philly Anarchist Black Cross. Because the governor will be focusing on the election until late November, save the calls, emails and faxes for after November 20th; in the meantime, you can download and print fliers to distribute and send letters. Suggested letter format. Use this straightforward guide to writing prisoners from New York City Anarchist Black Cross to write a birthday message for alleged Earth Liberation Front prisoner Joseph Dibee, who celebrates his birthday this week: Joseph Dibee #812133 MCDC 1120 SW 3rd Avenue Portland, Oregon 97204 Note: Joseph is pre-trial, so please do not discuss anything about his case, or anything else illegal either! {Birthday: November 10} Sales are OPEN for the 2019 Certain Days: Freedom for Political Prisoners calendar! The theme of next year's calendar is Health/Care, and it features art and writing from current and former political prisoners like David Gilbert, Mike and Chuck Africa, and Laura Whitehorn. If you buy 10 or more, be sure to use the discount code “BULK” to get 10 or more calendars for $10 each—you can then sell the calendars to fundraise for your own organizing. CORRECTIONS & CLARIFICATIONS In Hotwire #43, we said that there was an unpermitted crowd that forced Trump's motorcade to turn around outside the Tree of Life synagogue. There were massive protests, but despite this report we haven't been able to confirm that the protests, in fact, disrupted Trump's motorcade. Blue Ridge Anarchist Black Cross informed us that political prisoner Ed Poindexter only has one good eye, due to the Nebraska Department of Correctional Services denying him much needed cataract eye surgery. If you write him a letter, as we requested last week, please write IN LARGE, BOLD PRINT.  

Duke believes he was one of the most evil men on the planet. He was the co-leader of the largest Neo-Nazi organization in the world. He was also the bodyguard for a black woman named Catherine who loved him despite all of it. Duke says that Catherine's love is what rescued him. Their story - and their marriage - is raw and powerful and romantic. It was one of the most difficult stories we've reported and produced to date. Too many people have been harmed by the noxious things the National Socialist Movement represents. We had a difficult time reckoning with that. But we also believe that Duke and Catherine have a beautiful love story, one that is worth telling. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers

Jack Smith IV of Mic.com joins the show live from Georgia with a report on the neo-nazi rally held by the National Socialist Movement in the small town of Newnan. Jack and Matt Binder discuss the events that unfolded and how what went down is another nail in the coffin for the rise of the alt-right and the white supremacist movement post-Charlottesville, the hilarious downfall of the Traditionalist Worker’s Party, how antifa and antifascist action won…even Richard Spencer admits it, the next far right / identitarian threat: Jordan Peterson and “classic liberalism,” and much more!

For a 59 minute long, radio clean version for syndication purposes, please visit the archive.org collection. Interview This week we air the second half of Bursts conversation with Kevin Tucker. Kevin is an anarcho-primitivist, author and publisher of Black & Green Review. This week we air Kevin's views about tribal-bro-ism in the white supremacist and macho approach to historical misappropriation, upcoming issues of the journal Black & Green Review, Collapse, Rewilding versus Revolution and more. For a free look at some of Kevin's writings, visit theanarchistlibrary.org, and to check out his publishing project, journals and books you can visit blackandgreenpress.org For part one of Bursts' conversation with Kevin, you can visit our noblogs site! Related Audios If you found this conversation interesting, you may enjoy the interviews Bursts conducted with two other anarcho-primitivists on the show over the years. Check out his chats with Layla Abdel-Rahim pt 1 (Layla begins about 40 minutes in) & pt 2 as relates to her philosophy and her book “Wild Children – Domesticated Dreams” and with John Zerzan on the subject of anti-civilization anarchism more widely. Announcements “White Lives Matter” rally in Shelbyville TN, October 28th, Editorial Online platform The Tennseean has recently been reporting of several white nationalist rallies (called White Lives Matter rallies) that are planned for October 28th in Shelbyville and Murfreesboro TN among perhaps one other town. These spots were chosen by the event organizers, most visibly Brad Griffin, who writes under the alias Hunter Wallace on the blog Occidental Dissent, because of the state's Republican and red status coupled with a mistrust of law enforcement in what they're calling “more Democratic towns”. According to a statement that they released on Saturday, The National Socialist Movement, a pro-white organization based out of Detroit, MI, said the group's “street action” would be broadening its scope to include other small TN towns in the vicinity of Nashville. This same statement claims participation by other groups such as League of the South and the Traditionalist Workers Party. It's not known how many people will be attending at this time, though the organizers are predictably posturing that it will be a well attended event. The stated purpose of these events is to protest the changing demographic of middle TN, silence from the White House regarding a fatal church shooting in Antioch last month (in which the perpetrator started his early life in Sudan but was a US citizen) and probably some other white nationalist nonsense as well. According to interviews posted a couple of days ago by WCVS, residents of both Shelbyville and Murfreesboro are both angered at this groups' presence and confused about why their hometown was chosen. Many statements include disgust at the very message of white nationalism and white lives matter. It's believed by residents that these groups are outside agitators who are descending on them to disrupt their town and their already scheduled community events, and by doing so are making implicit assumptions about their way of life and of thinking. All the organizing information is attempting to draw a clear link between these events and the by now internationally famous events in Charlottesville Virginia of August 12 this year, even though that day was a clear loss for those on the side of the alt right. Despite claims, also by the organizers, that the event “will not be violent”, police are gearing up in those cities to prepare for the rallies. Just last night (October 7th), in that same city of Cville, Richard Spencer showed his face and formed a 30 strong, 10 minute long torch march around the doomed Lee Monument (scheduled for removal) in Emancipation Park, the site of their previous defeat. Predictably, police were heavy allies to the Nazis and escorted them away under police protection. If you are disgusted by this, you can call the folks at the CPD and ask them why they're still helping Neo Nazis do their thing. They can be reached at 434-970-3280. In this post Cville landscape of frenzied and often disorganized white nationalist activity, it is perhaps important to keep these things in our sights and oppose them as best we can. The exact location of the event has not yet been released, but it might be reasonable to assume that the information will be posted on Griffin's blog a day or two beforehand. For more information about developments, keep eyes on your favorite anarchist and antifascist news sources! You can see here the article from which much of this information was pulled. Playlist

Here we present the first half of the Former Prisoner Panel of the 2016 North American Anarchist Black Cross Conference. During the hour, you'll hear words from Sekou Kombui, Daniel McGowan, John Tucker, Kazi Toure. These speeches will be prefaced by some brief introductions, the texts of which can be found below. This audio will air soon as a radio episode. For more info on political prisoners in the U.S., check out denverabc.wordpress.com or nycabc.wordpress.com Sekou Kimbui: Sekou is a former political prisoner who survived 47 years of incarceration. Throughout the 1960's, Sekou participated in the Civil Rights movement, organizing youth for participating in demonstrations and marches across Alabama, and providing security for meetings of the Southern Christian Leadership Council (SCLC), Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), and the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC). Sekou became affiliated with the Black Panther Party in 1967 in Chicago and New York. While in Detroit, he became a member of the Republic of New Afrika, before returning to Birmingham. Back in Alabama, Sekou coordinated community organization activity with the Alabama Black Liberation Front, the Inmates for Action (IFA) Defense Committee and the Afro-American People's Party in the mid 1970's. Sekou was also a soldier in the Black Liberation Army (BLA) during these years before his capture. In 1975, Sekou was falsely arrested and charged with the murder of two white men: a KKK official from Tuscaloosa and a multimillionaire oil man from Birmingham. There was absolutely no evidence against him, only coerced testimony from individuals who subsequently recanted their statements. The judge refused to allow the recanted statements to be stricken from Sekou's record. Sekou continued the fight throughout his time in Prison. On June 30th, 2014, Sekou was released on parole. Daniel McGowan: Daniel is an environmental and social justice activist from New York City. He was charged in Federal court on counts of arson, property destruction and conspiracy, all relating to two actions in Oregon in 2001, claimed by the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). McGowan was facing a minimum of life in prison if convicted when he accepted a non-cooperation plea agreement. His arrest is part of what the US government dubbed Operation Backfire; a coordinated, multi-state sweep of over 15 activists by the federal government who have charged the individuals with practically every earth and animal liberation action in the Pacific Northwest left unsolved. Many have considered this round up indicative of the government's 'Green Scare' focus which has activists being arrested and threatened with life in prison. Many of the charges, including Daniel's, were for crimes whose statute of limitations were about to expire. Daniel was released from prison on December 11, 2012.   John Tucker: John was one of five antifascists arrested in May 2012, after an altercation between white supremacists and antifascists in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park that left ten injured fascists, three of which needed hospitalization. The case of the Tinley Park 5 received an overwhelming amount of public support. Despite the fact that the meeting was organized by violent white supremacist organizations including the National Socialist Movement, Council of Conservative Citizens, and Ku Klux Klan, the state showed their cozy relationship with white supremacy by refusing the accused antifascist activist bail or a plea deal comparable to any other criminal defendant in Cook County. In January 2013 the Tinley Park Five accepted a non-cooperating plea deal. John Tucker was released in February 2014. As of September 2014, all of the TP5 are released.This audio will air soon as a radio episode. Kazi Toure: As a member of the United Freedom Front (UFF), Kazi was imprisoned for his role in 20 bombings combating Apartheid in South Africa and United States Imperialism in Central America. The UFF has been called “undoubtedly the most successful of the leftist [guerrilla groups] of the 1970s and '80s” and struck powerful blows to South African Airways, Mobil, IBM, Union Carbide, & various courthouses and US Military targets. Toure was convicted on federal charges of possession of firearms, and Seditious Conspiracy—conspiring to overthrow, put down, destroy by force and violence the US government. He is one of few, if any, New Afrikans to be charged of this act.

This week, we present a conversation with a member of CNA-DF, or Anarchist Black Cross of Mexico City.  During the hour she speaks about the work of CNA-DF, prison in Mexican society, anti-prison organizing versus prison abolitionism, transformative justice, counter-repression and prisoners the CNA is working to support. More on CNA-DF at http://www.abajolosmuros.org/ Specific prisoners CNA-DF supports include: Alvaro Sebastian (Oaxacan teacher); Fernando Bárcenas (accused of burning the Mexico City Xmas Tree in 2013 during anti-fare increase demonstration in Mexico City.  Publishes Cimarron newspaper, involved in punk rock, alternative health care, horizontal education and organizing in prison.); Luis Fernando Sotelo (accused of burning a bus during day of global action in solidarity with the Ayatzinopa 43, Normalista students disappeared by the Mexican State.  Sotelo has received a 33 year sentence for damage to the bus.  Recently on hunger strike, in prison 2 years now); Abraham Cortés (13 years for attempted murder of a cop, arrested during October 2nd memorial demonstration in Mexico City of the 1968 massacre of hundreds of demonstrating students. Recently on hunger strike w Fernando Bárcenas against: 1. Prisons, calling to revolt against the state; 2. in solidarity with the #PrisonStrike starting Sept 9 in the U.S.; 3. And against the Bárcenas & Cortés); & Miguel Ángel Peralta Betanzos (from Oaxaca, accused of attempted murder of politicians in opposition with communal indigenous council of his community). Announcements Raids at Standing Rock After a series of violent raids which saw over 100 people arrested, the most recent on October 27th at Standing Rock and other camps resisting the Dakota Access Pipeline, there has been a call for renewed and amped up solidarity for this resistance. This could include coming to North Dakota and fighting the pipeline and joining the struggle, organizing where you live and taking action against banks, the Army Corp. of Engineers, and politicians backing the project, and sending money and supplies to the encampment. Already solidarity actions are taking places, such as the occupation of buildings, solidarity demonstrations, and more. To get more ideas of what solidarity could mean, and where to send supplies and funds if you are able, you can visit https://nodaplsolidarity.org and click the tab "Support the Camps". Kinetic Justice of FAM transferred Kinetic Justice of the Free Alabama Movement has been transferred out of Holman Prison in Alabama to Kilby Correctional Facility and from there to Limestone Corrections, known among Alabama prisoners to be a “bully unit,” where prisoners deemed disruptive are brutalized. This occurred one day before he was reportedly scheduled to meet with an advocate from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SLPC). This is in clear retaliation on the part of the prison system, and is an attempt to silence a dissenting voice which has been very important both in FAM and in the Prison Strike. In response, Kinetic is ending the first week of a hunger strike, to protest his treatment and bacaause he doesn't trust Limestone to not tamper with the food they give him. Keep your eyes on the free alabama movement's webpage at http://freealabamamovement.com/ for updates on Kinetic's situation and how to help. You can also follow them on twitter @freealamovement, you can also follow Freedom for Kinetic @for_kinetic Anti-Nazi march in Harrisburg, PA Lastly tho not leastly, DON'T FORGET that Saturday the 5th of Novemeber will see resistance to a National Socialist Movement rally (or more plainly, neo nazi) in Harrisburg PA. The NSM is teaming up with the Traditionalist Worker Party for this charade in the so called "heart of democracy", the TWP being the same boneheads who were responsible for drawing knives in Sacramento this past summer. Central PA Antifa and related anti racists are calling for as much support as possible at this event, to help run the nazis out of town. You can get up with this situaiton by connecting with Central PA Antifa on facebook by searching their name, you can also donate to them by visiting: https://www.gofundme.com/centralpaantifa you can also get super up to date information by following them on twitter @centralpaantifa Asheville Prison Books Cover Band show If you're going to be around Asheville tonight, Sunday October 30th, and want to get your ghoul on for a good cause, consider visiting the Prison Books Cover Band benefit.  For over a decade now, punks have been showing up and rocking out to raise funds for Asheville Prison Books, a 501c3 non-profit that sends literature to prisoners.  Cover bands include SubHumans, Green Day and many, many more.  The show starts at Toy Boat on 101 Fairview Rd, just off Sweeten Creek Road. Playlist: http://www.ashevillefm.org/node/18016

This week we spoke with members of Central PA Antifa about antifascist organizing in Pennsylvania, about some of the racial and socioeconomic aspects of that place, and many more topics but mainly about the National Socialist Movement counter protest that folks are calling for on November 5th in Harrisburg. We talk about the logistics of the event and what sorts of things to expect and what sorts of solidarity folks are asking for. To hear another interview with Central PA Antifa you can visit our comrades at itsgoingdown.org and follow the links to their podcast called the IGDcast. To learn more about Central PA Antifa you can get up with them on facebook, on which you can search Central PA Antifa, or follow them on Twitter @centralpaantifa. There is also a blog at: https://centralpaantifascist.wordpress.com/ Playlist is here: http://www.ashevillefm.org/node/17929

We'll be joined by special guest Harry Hughes from the National Socialist Movement to discuss the current political landscape of America, racial tensions, immigrations and a wide array of topics that seem to be polarizing the nation. As always we encourage our listeners to call us with their questions during our live broadcast (347)855-8831 This weekly program is a service of the Law Offices of Peter J. Lamont.  The firm has offices located in NJ, NY, CO and PR.  The firm serves both business and personal law clients in a variety of matters.  Additionally, the firm has industry specific practice groups for industries including kitchen & bath companies, interior design firms and commercial/residential cleanup companies. For more information about the firm please visit www.peterlamontesq.com.  For more informaiton about Understanding the Law Radio please visit www.understandingthelawradio.com

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