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The internet and newspapers are awash with stories of properties selling for amounts wildly above reserve. Such news can create FOMO and fuel buyer demand. But buyer overexuberance is rarely sustained for long periods of time. My feeling is that price growth will level out this year and I set out the reasons why below.Properties can sell above reserve for many reasonsLast month, a property located in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney (209 Edgecliff Road, Woollahra) sold for $1.5 million more than the reserve. Of course, this is an extreme example, but stories of properties exceeding reserves suggest the market is running away. I’m not suggesting these results aren’t noteworthy. They are. However, we must remind ourselves that multiple factors can contribute towards a property selling for more than its reserve.Firstly, of course, it could be that the demand is so strong for the property that multiple bidders push the price higher. Some of these bidders may be driven by emotion, particularly home buyers. They might fall in love with the property or their ego might kick in because they don’t want to “lose” at the action. Whatever the motivation, “paying more” contributes to high prices.Secondly, the reserve might be too low. Not all vendors are motivated to maximise their sale price – there might be other factors. Also, they might have an unrealistic expectation of current value (too low). Or maybe the selling agent was keen to quote the lowest possible reserve to attract more potential buyers.Finally, interest rates have a big impact on affordability, particularly for higher-value property, as buyers tend to borrow more. Fixed home loan interest rates of less than 2% p.a. make spending “a little more” on a property more affordable than it was 5+ years ago.Remember, prices have been stagnant for 3 yearsMedian house prices in most capital cities haven’t really changed since early 2018. The reason being is it’s been a pretty tumultuous period for the property market.Tightening in credit (borrowing capacity) occurred throughout 2017 and 2018, which reduced the volume of property buyers, particularly investors.In 2018 and 2019, the ALP’s federal election policy of banning of negative gearing and hiking the rate of capital gain tax weighed on property market sentiment.And then in 2020 we had Covid and resultant lockdowns.All these factors have meant that property prices were largely stagnant for the past three years. The long-term average growth rate of property (as depicted in this chart) is around 7.5% p.a. Therefore, arguably, the intrinsic value of property should be approximately 24% higher than 2017/2018 levels (being 3 years of growth). After all, mean reversion is a strong trend that has been present for many decades.A greater number of motivated buyers than sellersIt is possible that someone wanting to buy property over the past few years has been put off by a number of factors including credit tightening, the 2019 federal election and Covid. All of these events resulted in negative predictions for the property market.However, not all buyers can delay their decision forever, particularly if they you need to buy for practical reasons such as changing locations or increasing the size of accommodation (for families). Therefore, as soon as property market sentiment improved (which only occurred over the past 4-6 months), many buyers that have been waiting on the sidelines rushed into the market. Of course, this pent-up demand will eventually normalise.Post-covid ‘normal’ will encourage discretionary vendorsA ‘discretionary vendor’ is someone that would like to sell a property but is not motivated to do so in any particular time frame. Discretionary vendors would have delayed selling over the past 3 years for the same reasons previously mentioned. However, the recent positive sentiment would probably encourage discretionary vendors to consider whether 2021 is a good time to sell. That said, I think most people are cautious about the prospect of another unexpected factor cropping up that will adversely affect property market sentiment, including random snap lockdowns.I also think that people are more focused on enjoying the resumption of post-lockdown activities such as travel and holidaying, particularly Victorians. But, as Australia’s vaccine rollout continues, albeit at a very slow pace, it will provide the property market with more certainty.Spring has always been considered the best time to sell property, although volume variations between winter and spring are less pronounced than they were a few decades ago. I expect that by the time we get to Spring, snap lockdowns will be less likely and people would have become used to post-covid living. This will allow them to focus on making important (long-term) decisions, such as selling their home. As such, I would not be surprised if the supply of property increases in Spring. An increase in the volume of properties for sale will likely temper price increases.We have seen this beforeI recall that property prices jumped sharply between early 2016 and late 2016 to early 2017. They subsequently levelled off. But during this time it was easy (and for some buyers, tempting) to over-pay for property.In a hotly contested market, buying a property for less than it’s worth is near on impossible. You must be prepared to pay a fair market value. At the same time you must avoid overpaying for property. Demand can spike and then normalise only a few months later. People that overpaid in early 2016 would have been in a loss position (on paper) by the end of 2017.I don’t want to overemphasise the importance of paying the right price – because quality is always more important than price. But it is important to remind ourselves that property prices can move in two directions, not just one.Here’s what I think will happen…I admit that short term predictions are meaningless. In the short term, markets are inherently unpredictable. It is far more important to focus on making good long-term decisions.That said, I’m happy to share what I think could happen to property prices this year.§ Blue-chip suburbs – I think these will continue to perform well but, for the reasons described above, I would not be surprised if price growth between now and the end of the year is less than 10% p.a. That is, price growth will level out.§ Outer-ring suburbs – locations that are dominated by lower income earners will probably under-perform compared to blue-chip locations. The reason is the lowest 40% of income earners have been impacted by Covid the most.§ Popular WFH locations – locations that attract ‘work from home’ (WFH) employees looking for a sea or tree change will probably continue to be dominated by low-supply. That is, there are very few properties available for sale in these locations which could drive prices higher. That said, I think demand from WFH buyers will level out at some stage.Of course, expect the unexpectedIt seems like over the past decade (or so) there have been a series of once-in-a-lifetime events. The GFC, Covid, political uncertainly, floods and fires and so on. Therefore, it is probably wise to expect the unexpected. And if one occurs this year, my prediction above will be wrong.

Free Time ManThis one's for all the haters who are out there saying that I’ve got,Well, I‘ve not got much on, but you know I'm alright,I’ve got stuff… I'm fineUp in the morning, find a clean shirt,cuppa hot slurry, out to workMaintenance, that's the game I’m playing,mediocrity that's how I'm swayin’Keepin’ these facilities clean and right,simulated dawn, simulated nightThings gumming up the works there in a flash,recycle unit bust, you don’t need thatDetritus strewn all over this place,here a leg, there a faceThe body horror don’t bother me,I'm here to do a job you seeYou'd think that that would cause me woeYou’d think that would stem my flowWhen it hits the fan, I've got my planI'm a free time man, watch me goPut on a holovid and kick backI’m a free time manSee a friend and have a bit of a laughI’m a free time manRead a book, maybe a chapter or twoI’m a free time manTravel round this station take in the viewI’m a free time manUm, watch another holovid if there’s oneI’m a free time manSee a different friend, I hope that they’re funI’m a free time manOh no I’ve read this book beforeI’m a free time manThey won’t let me travel to certain floorsI’m a free time manEvening time in the Cosmic Lounge,feeling good just got a roundThere's this new cat at the table, won't shut up, don't think he’s ableHis monologue is upsetting the room,talking ‘bout his love for a fish and a broomThe regulars they don’t like that,Sweepy Anne’s still mourning her spratIt’s my free time but just this once,I’ll lent a hand to a needy dunceSaying Harry's the name, lay it on me friend,now stuck in a nightmare that’ll never endI did what I now regret,I talked him off his parapetBut he won't go,Won't take no,Ruin all my flow like a strait jacketStole all my holovids won't give them backFormer free time manMy friends now just point at me and laughFormer free time manNo books for me, he burnt them tooFormer free time manEverywhere on this station he’s spoiling my viewFormer free time manIt feels like I'm never aloneFormer free time manExcept the 20 minutes he’s with his cloneFormer free time manHe’s faked both of our deaths twiceFormer free time manWhy is there no tool to reset my life?Former free time manSo you see, like, to the haters, I’ve got, like, a lot on,like you know, too much. I wish I could sort of drop,drop one of the things. Anyway... yepArtistsDr. Beaver: Band Leader + Synths + BassJJ Perry: Additional Music, Production, Mixing and MasteringSimon Plotkin: Vocals and LyricsTim Meredith: Music and LyricsSpecial thanks to Amy Dickinson for advice and support.“Free Time Man” is from the album “Cabaret Night at the Cosmic Lounge”. © Rusty Quill 2020If you would like to own the full album, consider becoming a Patron of Rusty Quill! All Patrons will receive a digipack, which includes dramatic sketches exclusive to the album and comes with special artwork by VeraRaeArt. Visit www.patreon.com/rustyquill to find out more.Stellar Firma is a podcast distributed by Rusty Quill under a Creative Commons Attribution NonCommercial Sharealike 4.0 International Licence. The song "Free Time... See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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I have some extra money and resources right now and I thought of saving that money, but then I realized my goal was to pay off my credit card. My daily GPS in the study of charity I have learned we give the excess away so that it doesn’t go to waste.Fear that I won’t have enough or be enough or that I won’t show up in the way people need me to show up is what came up for Malinda. What a beautiful understanding that we have the opportunity to step out of fear and into faith.God provides all. I’m here to do His work. I am making the choice to have faith.Today I give myself permission to see the abundant resources I haven’t seen beforeI receive more than I need each dayI share my excessI release anything not serving meI discern what is helping and servingI have an over abundance of resourcesI allow people space to recognize resourcesI am a rich resource to people around meI provide the energy of abundanceI am choosing faithClick Here for more info on living a life of gratitude.Click Here to find out how to join the Gratitude Call live every weekday morning at 7 am Mountain Time.Click Here to join the “Breakthrough with Gratitude!” Facebook Group. Check out the NEW! Daily GPS Planner. It’s a Gratitude Journal and Planner in one! There is space to write your Inspired Shortcuts, record all your thoughts and impressions from The Daily Gratitude Call and even pages to help you stay focused on your Path of Purpose!To have a 15 minute conversation with Wylene Benson and gain new perspective on an area you desire to change, schedule a time on her calendar by going to this link: askwylene.comTo work more closely with Wylene, email her and click here to learn more about her new book The Seven Gateways – Your Map to Integrity in Life and Business that so many have discovered to be the key to living a life of purpose, fulfillment and happiness!Support the show (https://wylenebenson.com)

Illjaz of the Ruffn'x crew talks about the European breaking scene, coming to America, and various other important topics in breaking.A broke degenerate hooligan documents conversations about being a Bboy, Breakin', Hip Hop, Dance, Art, Music, Creativity, Innovation, and the slow subtle crumble of society in audio form.Follow @Instagram: noiseofthebrokeboysTwitter: BrokeBoysNoiseListen to the Audio on all Podcast platforms. 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show[Music]in this episode I talk with a b-boy whohas significant experience in both theEuropean and American breaking scenesthis guy really puts me on game aboutlife as a dancer in Europe in the early90s I had a great time learning abouthis history and picking his brain aboutvarious topics please enjoy the episodewith ill jazz or Elyas of the Roughneckshello everybody welcome to the disastershow that I just fucked up Dana pressrecord so here we are hopefully I cansalvage something from what we recordedwith my boy ill jazzhe's from Switzerland we are talkingabout break dancing and you know how Idon't know how to record podcast so okhow long have you been dancing oh I so Istarted dancing with my younger brotherhe's one and a half year younger than meand we started in 9899 okay and it was agood time I'm happy we started still inthe nineties yeah and before that weplayed soccer we did inline skating likehalfpipe and everything and then we tieand then one day we we saw like the RunDMC it's like that music you know andthat was like dope and shit you know butwhen when to use scented they have ahalfpipe and we went with the inlineskates yeah and then we look insidethere was a zombie voice you knowunderneath no it was a halfpipe andthere was a building right next to it ohand there were windows and I looked inthe windows and then I want I needed togo to the bathroom I go inside and I seesomebody doing 90 oh I didn't know what90 is you know and that was a shit Iwant to learn that you know and thensince then we threw out the inlineskates and we started breaking and sohow old were you I was 15 15 that'sprobably about when I startto us and 14 or 15 em and I had noflexibility because of Socratic likeXena almost like I was pretty flexiblewhen I started because I did Taekwondofor a long time and so we would you knowyou'd have to kick really high and stuffso I was kind of flexible from that butI used to skateboard actually um so Iknew about half pipes and stuff I had alot of friends that did inline skatingand so we would go to those lots ofskate parks and I wish I had beenbraking at that time cuz I totally wouldhave done windmills on it because it wasjust so smooth yeah I didn't break Iquit I kind of quit skating to breakyeah because it was waiting let's I justfelt like skating was so dangerousno it's I saw so many people just falland break the wrists my cousin broke hiswrist actually but I had another friendwho broke his ankle and they were doinglike you know shitty tricks yeah youknow kickflip and they like mob and it'slike if you did a windmill and brokeyour arm like you know what I mean it'sjust the generic you know beginner tricksort of like the sport and you justbreak you know I I started with skatingfirst actually yeah and then I went tothe mini ramp and I went there theskateboard stayed thereoh do back oh yeah I tried I triedinline skating I picked it up prettyeasily actually but I just never was toointo it um I was just more intoskateboarding yeah but I had somefriends they would like you know jump upand grind on stairs they showed me howto do that so I learned kind of some todo that stuff man like 10 years after Ihaven't done anything on the inlineskates mm-hmm I stand on the halfpipe Icouldn't go down it's scary yeah I waslike man how did I do that yeahyou know what I mean yeah no shit we'renot yeah when I was in she wouldn't Iwas skating I think I started when I wasprobably like 11 and I went tillprobably 15 or 16 maybe and yeah I usedto go on half pipes and stuff and now Ilook at him like holy yeah and it wouldgo off like stairs and stuff and go ontorails and I'm like what the heck how didI even do this I mean I wasn't reallygood at it or anything but I just I feellike I was maybe less fearless yeahyeah now yeah yeah back then we just didit man yeah I remember when I started alittle bit braking and still a littlebit in Nice skatinghey they have like this ramp going downand then this little island yeah I flewyou know I started breaking I had somuch energy and different I flew overthat thing and I landed like two metersaway from it you know and that was likeshit whatever I gotta do I just roll thereally coin drop and then you know whatbraking has saved my life a couple timesgood yeah there was times when I wentsnowboarding and you just you're goingso fast down a hill and you just hitlike something and you just eat shit andI'm like you know I probably should havebeen wearing a helmet but I wasn't andit's just like woop and then for somereason it kicks in I'm like oh I knowhow to like land and I'll do a coin dropor something in like you know so my headdoesn't get hit and you know I kind ofrollers or whatever to roll out and thenI stand up and people are like I gotsomething from cats yeah cuz I mean in away braking is just like falling butshowing off at the same time sort ofsmooth so it's like you got you you gotgood at jumping on the ground yeahbut fun fact is when we started breakingwe thought it's a sport oh you did yeahlike so we yeah before we startedbreaking with inline skates we welistened we discovered to puck and weknew that hip-hop and Cypress Hill yeahyou know to pass episode exhibit NWA alittle bit you know so all that madetheir way to but I thought this iship-hop yeah yeah in the nineties men welistened all the golden era yeah and wethought that's hip-hop but we didn'tknow aboutwe knew graffitis somehow mixed withhip-hop you know DJs they have therappers have a DJ you know but we didn'tknow breaking is part of hip-hop youknow but when we started we learn allthe four elements and yeah knowledge theculture and everything you know yeahyeah but first we we did it because welike this sport yeah yeah yeah I meanit's it's definitely cool and I firstsaw I mean I I don't know when I firstsaw I think I first saw it when I usedto watch pro wrestling and there was agroup - cool and the one guy his specialmove was he would just throw you on theground and then he would just dancearound you and then do the worm she allthe way across the ring and then justwhoo and like elbow using the base I wasin probably in middle school I wasprobably maybe 12 years old when I firstsaw that so I thought breakdancing waswrestling that's crazy but so yeah butmaybe because we stop breaking in onlymusic videos you know back then you knowand it was all kinds of music it wasn'tonly like hip-hop music yes like housemusic dance music you know techno youwere always saw a b-boy somewhere youknow yeah so we didn't connect it withhip-hop yeah I think in the 90s that waswhen house music started really likecolliding a lot with with hip-hop yeahyeah yeahbut yes so I'm interested in like howhip-hop looks in Europe compared to herecuz just like I've seen hip-hop as Igrew up here and I imagine it's waydifferent in Europe because like herehip-hop was always associated with likegangs and like you know people mischiefcausers he's done you know I mean I meanI don't know there is two ways ofhip-hop like people that are passive andthere are people that are active youknow they like back in the 90s hip-hopin Europe was like you're not hip-hop ifyou're not in an element you know if youbeatbox you okay you when it's not likereally official apart or of hip-hop butyou're still hip-hop you know okay butif you break or beatbox or MC or DJ orgraffiti you you part of hip-hop andthen there is other people they justfriends and they hang out with and theydress a pup listen hip up and whateverbut they're not active you know okaythat's how you us okay I guess it's kindof like that now yeah yeah I know butmore back in the day it was like yougotta be super down like b-boy was yourlife you know you you lived that lifeyeah we used to go like to Germany youknow like 16 I told our parents thatwe're gonna go to a friend we're gonnapractice and then stay over there but wewent like 500 that's the way you know wetrain and we go to a different city toJohnny go to hm next day practice andthen come back yeah you know it wasn'tgood timing yeah like when we went firsttime bad luck year 19 2000 or 2001 wetrain it was like five six hours away wetrain and then you go to the Battle ofyear cipher everything and eventeverything and then you go the event isover after party is over and then youhave to wait for the Train the firsttrain that starts going back home yousee like a hundred of b-boys at thetrain station just inside for practicechilling some people sleeping in thecorner starting practicing andexchanging you know people like peoplesfrom France Germany Holland SwitzerlandItaly you know you connect you knowexchange and practice that's cool and itwasn't backed and it wasn't like reallya cypher and or calling out somebody butit was more of a circlesomebody practiced something you knowand you go there and exchange and hey dothis like this or ain't look try likethat look I do something similar youknow so was it like a pretty friendlyscene in Europe in terms of like becausebecause what I'm used to is like I'vecome from Sacramento in you know we justget all jump in a car and we'd go to theother city to do a jam or something andeverybody calls us out because it's likehey you're in our neighborhood and wewould just get battled so that's niceman it's like it was almost I mean itwas definitely less friendly now it's alot more friendly I can come you knowlike me moving to LA if I had done thatwhen I first started breaking I probablywould have got battled for like a solidyou know three or four months and peoplewere like okay I think this guy's coolyou know cuz dude the first time I thinkI went to a practice in Sacramento likeI was in high school and like we justshow up and they're like who are thesethere's me and my brother that we justshow up and they're like who are thesetwo kids and we like couldn't even do doanything really like my brother could doin vert and like I think I don't knowwhat I could do like a head slide andfreeze or something and that's like ouronly moves I guess we seriously we'rebreaking for maybe like six months andit's like the whole like room is apsycho fuck these comments we on thetitle you know and then I think you knowafter you battle a couple times thenthey realize okaytrying to cause harm or like because thething was that everyone was scared thatyou're gonna like bite their moves stealtheir yeah so it was like you knowthey're automatically sort of hostile toyou but imagine you guys would havestopped dancing because of that you knowyeah what's up it wouldn't ya know Imean yeah there was a lot of reasons tostop I mean for sure but it but it's itwas all the way it makes you strongeryou know to not give up and you stay onit you know motivate you maybe you knowI just yeah it was just I had to learnwhat the scene was like you know whatwhat was acceptable in the scene and gowith that you know like well I think Iremember I told this in another podcastbut I remember we brought this thisshitty camera because me and my brotherused to we used to make a lot of homevideos we used to make like skits wewere really into MADtv do you rememberMADtv it's like Saturday Night Live'sokay so we used to make all these stupidskits and stuff so we had our parentsgot us this like really crappy videocamera so we can make all these stupidskits just for fun and then we broughtit to go practice cuz we were just gonnafilm ourselves and stuff and then peopleare like what are you doing with thiscase you get beat up for like bringing acamera to practice and stuff because youknow because they automatically thinkyou're filming these guys to take theirmoves on amou say yeah we learned realquick don't bring the camera therewe brought the camera yeah very early inour training you know to see what theydo wrong because we were the youngesttoo and there were all the generationyou might know buzzer City attack ohthat's the older generation they battledrock four screw in the 90syeah so control so Cujo and there wasthe older generation and we look up tothem and but we didn't get like help youknow so oh we got this ourself you knowhe was looking me and I was looking himand then we see the older generation andwhat what's the difference between himand you you knowyeah that's how we learn you know thenbring the camera and see what we dowrong yeah that's how we stop we werethe youngest and our first battle wasalso about a six month in her making inthe first round we won against all theguys yeah keep going you know you'regood we're goodthat next round we battle younger guysthe nose and the smoker so yeah thenyeah and then it's like man we need topractice was a good wake-up call andthen we from then on we startedpracticing every day you know some dayseight hours yeah our parents didn'tbelieve that we we practice eight hoursthey thought we're doing somethingcriminal you know yeah exactlywe would do kind of the same thing canyou practice eight hours yeah but it'sjust like you get totally immersed intothat that world and you just wanna youhave a focus to get better I thinkeventually my parents realize we're notdoing anything bad yeah like and theysaw us getting better at it so it's likeoh they're obviously like practicingthis so yeah like all right whatever andwe we also stole my parents camera youknow you didn't have their camera andthey used it only for a special whenfamily came to visit us you know so wejust took it and then practice and thensometimes they would see the tape youknow we just buy a new tape put it inand then record yeah take the tape outso they see but we were like crazyaddicted to practice man yeah not evenjust battling just practice you know tolearn the move to yeah you know we werethere first and we left there the lastyou know people were coming and goingand we're still there yeah yeah yeah Imean I was the same way just alwayspracticing always practicing definitelythat's like my favorite part notbreaking for sure is just like gettinggetting down playing like your favoritemusic and just practicing coming up withsome new movies training some new stufftraining old stuff you know it's that'sthat I feel like that's where the realcreativity comes in when you're outbattling whenperforming and stuff it's just kind ofshowing off you do what you know yeahyou're just I think if you practicedwell and then it's the performance inthe battle is gonna go it's gonna gowell because you did you did thehomework but the the real work is reallywhen you're practicing and trying tofigure no you know how I prepares forbattlesI never prepared full set oh no like Inever practiced full sets in practiceyeah because then if I'm gonna just dothe same solar what I did in practiceit's gonna be boring it's not gonna havethat fire feeling whatever you know so Ialways put like practice only half setokay yeah and then practice I do onlyhave sets and then I maybe just add somepower moves just to so I have thecondition the cardio but in the battle Iwould mix my small set together you knowlike I put three sets in one yeah sothen you know so it's always new it'salways fresh and you can alwaysimprovise it freestyle it and yeah youknow depends of the music moment andeverything you know I used to make fullsets and it just got really boring to meto do that so what I started doinginstead is practicing those full setsand then when I go to battleI just don't think about them I justtotally try to just focus on you knowthe battle focus on the music focus onmy opponent and just let it happen and Iyou know I practice a lot of freestylingtoo so it's like I know that thematerial I have this you know the set ofmoves I put together I know that it'sgood and if I don't do it perfectly Iknow how to freestyle out of it and soon it gives me confidence to just go outthere and basically with a clear mindand just let it happen and I think thatthat's a way better way of breaking yesbefore I would go out and go okay I needa pre-plan everything and it distancesyou from everything from the moment fromthe music from the battle DJand it's just I don't think that's agood way to do it yeah I but I wasalways trying to figure out a good wayto mix you know because there's a lot ofcreativity in the combinations that youput together that you pre-plan I alwayswanted to be able to still showcase thatbut I don't want it to look sodisjointed yeah and so the yeah the waythat I figured out how to do that is tojust make some sets and be content withnot doing that and by practicing them somany times and then you just kind offorget itit just kind of happens or like piece ofmemory and yeah it's almost exactly it'slike I mean like with martial arts a lotof times you'll train like a combinationlike a kick punch combination you knowhit hit to the body hit to the head orwhatever and you train that so manytimes going you actually are fightingyou might not do the full combinationyou'll do like one two part of it youmight do it twice in a row you mightlink this combination to that one justbecause you see the opportunities andyou you have to improvise you improviseto make it happen and so I I took a lotfrom thatyeah very good yeah and so since I'vestarted doing that I feel like it'shelped me a lot but then for example Iwanted to say some bash beam for examplethat meets in German for example when westarted performing like performancesshows right it's a much easier than forus right so because then we prepare asolo for the show to the music you knowso you can be much more confidence in aperformance yeah yeah yeah because weare if you think about it in a battleyou are in so many uncomfortable yesinaudible but somehow you practice to becomfortable you know and in aperformance you're fully comfortable youknow yeah so you can shine much easier Ihope if you go like to a quarry yourworld people struggle and are nervousyou know yeah I never understood in thebeginning why are you guys nervous manwe've been practicing this I don't knowhow long yeahyou know I think it's just because thereyou're in front of a bunch of people youdon't know and you're like you knowyou're out in front of everybody andjust doing what you want to do andthere's a little bit of fear that theymight not like what you're doing but youjust gotta go man who caresyou really care yeah you have to do yourthing with you just got it you cannotchange it anymore you know what yeah init and really at the end of the day ifthat whole crowd says you suck like doyou really care yeah yeah it probablystings a little bit but then you go likemen I don't give a fuck about these yeahthat's the best thing when you dosomething you love you know yes I'mbetter because what other people thinkyou know what I mean yeah I I take thesame approach with like judges too youknow like when you're actually battlingand the judges vote against you or votefor you really like really I look at itas they're just they're they're a crowdmember and they're just saying you thattheir opinion of you was either you wantor you lost but I I really think that ifyou enjoy what you did then youshouldn't really worry too much aboutthat I mean you could obviously like tolisten to what they have to say becausethey might have some insight intosomething you maybe didn't know aboutyour own dancing um and that's alwaysgood to do but at the end of the day ifyou enjoy what you do I don't think youshould let anything holding me hold youback so like the way the way I alwaysput it was like if my mom was a judgeand she was like you suck I'd probablybe like okay maybe I gotta practice welllike if some random dude that I don'teven know it's like oh I thought youlost and I honestly thought I won I'd belike okay well whatever you don'tyeah it's mean was totally different inthe beginning you know I when I wasyoung I was getting mad when I left thejudges men you have no idea and but thatcomes with maturity you know if you loseand you take it easyyeah but yeah yeah I would get mad tooeventually you get to the point whereit's like win or lose it doesn't reallymatter that much like cuz again it'sjust three people three or five peopleyou know judging on this thing and theyjust said you want are you lostI mean I'm one battle is that I thoughtI lost and I was like I want I rememberI there's a couple of them where I waslike dude I walked to the judges I waslike dude you got this wrong and I gavemy prize money to the other guy cuz Iwas like dude I didn't win and I'm notjust cuz these dudes say that I wantthat's correct I'm not gonna keep themoney because I thought you you knowthis dude one or this crew one so I justgave it to them there I've done thatlike a couple times that I can think ofprobably two or three times it's crazyman but it's just cuz you know I don'tbreak to like make to get money oranything it's like I just want I justwant to do it and I like battling butthe competition part of it I don'treally care that much about it it's it'sfun to win but I don't like I don't likewinning when I don't think I'm that'scrazy man that you gave money you know Inever heard that beforeI mean I know people and I used to beone of those yes I needed to win moneyto pay rent and yeah you know what Imean so because I didn't do performancesie back in the days I battles was moreimportant to me than performances youknow K so and I needed to win thatbattle too yeah you know to pay somestuff up and then years later I judgedcompetition and in the final I judge andagainst one guy and he told man yeah youknow it came to me like what okay Iunderstand but man I need the money manI need to pay bills and there was I saidman I was to say like you you can neverrely on winning palace to pay yourperson I thinkyeah I I I mean there was times when Iwas I could be I could have been in thatsituation but I was like what I need todo is actually cook his job so I got ajob instead of like I mean there'd betimes where I I needed some quick moneyor something and so we would go and dosome street shows and stuff so that wasgood to kind of and that's always beenmy back-up plan in a way if like youknow the world blew up or something andI don't have any moneyI'd go do a street show I know that I'dsurvive for at least one day yeah cuz Icould do I could at least do somewindmills and someone might give me alike but ya know I was always like okayI need to just go get a job to actuallypay ya there's been times when I neededto win again but I I really hated theidea of like needing to win - yeah andand well and also - I was always scaredof the idea that you know I might bewinning and don't deserve the win and soI was it always made me feel like crapto even think of that situation in thismoment I with the time I learned tounderstand that you know it's in soccerfor example you take the ball and put itin the net that's a goal that's a pointyeah but in art it's hard to to give apoint here or here you know it's anopinion if those charges think you wantyou know it's it's their opinion evenyou did maybe just a baby freeze and theguy did the baby freeze - 90 baby freezeyou know and they liked your form bitbetter maybe you know yeah so it's it'shard to judge art you know it's veryhard so that's my yeah that thatactually is a good segue to a question Ihave because now breaking is becomingkind of more of a mainstream sporteventually getting into the Olympics yousee like big sponsored events andstuff and my fear is that we are doingthis but don't have a solid way ofjudging it because it is an art and youknow I think the way that we've alwaysjudged it makes sense for the smallcommunity that we have as b-boys butlike when it comes to the mainstreamstage where there's like lots of moneylots of sponsors involved if you thinkabout white yea H and you know comparingit to you know soccer for instance orlike basketball or any kind of sportthat's on a huge main main stage that Idon't think the judging system we haveright now is is gonna cut it becausewhat's gonna happen is a sponsor isgonna look at it and be like ok why didthis guy win over that guy and you go ohbecause these three judges said so okaywell what exactly made them say that youknow he's got you know 50 years in thegame and he thought that his backspinwas better than this guy's windmill andthen the sponsors gonna be like no thatdoesn't make any senseI'm out look for me it's how I comparedhow I compared breaking to mix martialarts right you remember mixed martialarts in the beginning yeah nineties itwas like a karate guy versus of wrestleryeah jujitsu guy was kickboxer you knowthere was like we had Shawn versus likeyeah and that is a Wild West that'sbreaking I would say most of the timethat's that's it right because there isall right now but it's been four yearsthat you have a guy that does more likefoundation style or a guy that does moreblow up style or a Power Move guy or mixguy you know but a complete mixedmartial artist is somebody that can dolike kickboxing wrestling jujitsu takeone toe karate whatever you know andthat should be with be born into menlike if you want to be an Olympicchampion you cannot justroll around and do Foundation and thefries and that's it you cannot beOlympic champion with only that you haveto have all the elements you know inbreaking and you have to put it on alevel you know so everybody understandsotherwise it's gonna be like you saidyou know people will not understand ityou know yeah I think with mixed martialarts it's a good example of this becauseyeah back in the day it was just thesestyles versus each other and eventuallyit evolved people were seeing thatcertain styles were just dominatingevery everything and so then it evolvedto where now the fighter isn't just thisone style he takes a little piece ofthis other style and it makes thembetter but and so like eventually yousaw everybody now doing that same thingall taking out different pieces of it sonow you see guys that I mean basicallyand I'm not like a an authority on thisor anything but like in general likeusually a good fighter would have somegood striking some good grappling andsome good crown stuff and so and thatwould make them somewhat effectiveagainst anybody and that's what that'sthe type that's a style that flew to youknow to the to the top of it mixedmartial arts in I mean Zee right let'stake Conor McGregor right he's astand-up guyyeah southpaw very effective yeah but hehad to learn takedown defense grapplingyou know he had to learn because youguys would do that yeah you know he'sgot to but now or maybe the last coupleyearsthere is people like young people theycome up with the full game they don'tstart they don't come from karate orfrom rest oh yeah they come and traineverything right away there is MMA gymsand like from 2:00 to 3:00 it'swrestling from 5:00 to 6:00 iskickboxing from 7:00 to 8:00 is MuayThai and then jujitsu from 9:00 to 10:00you know and they train all at the sametime so it's a complete fighter thatshould be with be going man yeah seelike a standard that would be a standardwith mixed martial artsI see how it makes sensedo it because it's the most effectiveway of fighting and like having thisbroad range of ability to combat againstall these different things it makessense for fighting but like withbreaking I think there's an argument tobe made that you're not you're notnecessarily you know the the the full Iguess how do you say maybe like fullpackage of b-boy one who has like everysingle Power Move every single likefootwork move every single whatever Ithink there's an argument to be madethat somebody who maybe doesn't do thatbut has a strong certain part of youknow one of those styles and can beeffective against them because there's alot of creativity and artistry thatcomes in with it and that's what you'rereally being that that's what you'rethat's that's the main way of I guesswinning a battle I guess is what I'msaying like cuz in fighting you getpunched in the face and you get knockedout or you get yes submitted you lose sothe best way to get to that is to beable to defend against it and go andattack that way right but in breakingthere's not like there's not a there'snot like a I guess a relation tofighting in that way because you don'tnecessarily need to do a specific powermove or whatever to win a battle orwhatever yeah I mean we don't have to do5-1 and our flare so yeah and 90s youknow but at least have some basic powermoves you know because that part ofbreaking you know if people say if youdon't do food work you know the b-boyhey if you don't do windmill backspinhead spin thank you another b-boy - yeahthey were here before cc's you know whatI mean but I know what you mean withlike artistry and just own style youknow and everythingMaina for example yeah you know so yeahyeah like Meno for instance he's does alot of like footwork and flowy type ofminutes not a lot of powernot a lot of top rods not a lot of Imean that's kind of really the onlystudy he doesn't do a lot of freezeseither and then compared to let me picksomebody someone who's missing one finalhuh let's bc one final did you see thatwho was in kazakhstan guy Ohk2 lost something khailayes yeah yeah that guy is really goodyou know you know I could see how it wasclose I think actually men will probablythought he lost too and that's why Icalled him out four more rounds um Imean I thought it was pretty close if Iwas a judge I probably would have votedKilla koyla me to it you know I'm notjudging because I personally justthought that he he had brought more tothe table and had unique style hesuppresses doing was a lot of uniquefreezes and stuff and he came out everywrong with some new stuff easily youknow yeah he's a pretty well-roundedb-boy but I would say he still airs onyou know more of like a thread type ofstyle and um like a freeze type of styleI'm trying to think of a b-boy thatwould be like very very well-rounded andthat's it like um he's better soon hehas power I think which flips yes theless food work yeah okay so let's gowith him yeah so him versus menace sosomeone who's well rounded versussomeone who's very specialized I couldsee how it could go either way with thatto those and that's also one round hedepends what round but you know let'slet's say they both throw their likedopest around though rightyou know Meno does some crazy likeloop-d-loopspin around thing one mean the flowingwaves yeah and it's a really dope roundin their little zoo duck comes outdoesn't flip does power moves us somefreezes does some footwork hits a solidroundI think there's an argument to be madethat either one of them would have wonyou know it's awesome depends on themusic but I think this was mixed martialarts he probably would have been like ohthe new well-rounded guy would win youknow but you know such distancesometimes in MMA you know and thenjudges take it yeah decided wrong but Iguess I guess if you in mixed martialarts if you had a guy who's very good atmultiple styles versus one guy who'smaybe just good at let's say kickboxingyeah you know I mean this is a hard topredict example or anything but I wouldsay you probably would put your money onthe guy who's more well-rounded justbecause he can like attack from multipleanglesright and he could get this got theother guy into a situation that that guycannot defend in whereas the other guyis banking on being able to like keephim in his in his world where he's thebest right whereas in breaking I feellike the guy who's very specialized hecan still like blow you up the samething that the gut the guy who is verywell-rounded can still blow you up andso the the moves are just as effectivein a way you know what I mean and thestrategy is a little bit differentbecause this guy doesn't need to keepyou in his pocket anymore he just needsto perform and kill it right and thisguy needs to do basically the same thingkeep it in his pocket and do what he'sgood at you know visually better yeahthat's been important but yeah what'sgonna make it look visually better isthe music you know the music I thinkthat's breaking what plays a big factorthat's the biggest compared to MMA ohyeah yeah really breaking is hard toobut compared to any I think it's theclosest thing sports wise to comparebreaking with MMA I would say a decisionyou cannot compare with soccer orfootball there's not really a goodthere's a sport I can think of thateveryone compares to the things that Ithink make the most senseis somewhere between mixed martial artsand skateboarding or like something likethat there's a sports 3 the reason I saylike sporting because in a lot of thathas to do with like they'll they'll makeup a trick knee and go like this is whatI'm gonna do it's like yeah it's it'sjust like making up your own breakingyeah you know but then skateboardingkind of it doesn't quite match upbecause then you see okayhe's he says oh I'm gonna do thistricking and they judge you on how wellyou hit that trick but in breakingyou're not telling any judge what you'regonna do you're gonna surprise them andprobably surprise them with the movethat they've never seen beforeyeah and so you have this surprisefactor too so it's really hard to youknow nowadays I I miss the exchangesometimes in battles you know yeah yeahback in the days when I talked to stormyou know they they would do like andthat's how I grew up you know mm-hmm Iconsider him the only master linebreaking it I never took his class orsomething but I took his locking classyeah but I I learned from him just bylistening you know okay andconversations with him yeah I justremember him you do like a six-step youcan go like no you try like Big Brotherand T you can learn so much and I canlisten for days to him you know yeahwhen he talks III don't talk man I justlisten and then I ask something you knowbut how I grew up with bounces exchangeyou know for example he tells me like hehas somebody do flare windmill babyfreeze and then he goes footwork andthen ends it nice you know I have to gothere and I have to do flare windowflare windmill turtle and then go in afreeze and then go up and you know whatI did better and then he has to come andbring it never that's how we yeah youknow a burden that's like exchange youknow ace yeahyeah on the podcast like a couple weeksago a couple of months ago actually umhe and he told me a story about when hehe doesn't call it battle but I wouldsay it probably was a battle between himand storm mm-hmm when storm was visitingand I guess they just went they you knowbattle like 30-something rounds orwhatever and it was like that they werejust exchanging like they would just oneup each other each time and it wasn'tlike they weren't you know you knowtalking smack to each other it was theywere respecting each other and he wouldbe like oh that was dope let me show youthat I can do now did it do to do andhe'd go oh that's cool too and then thisis how I would do that boom and so theyjust went back and forth for 30 roundsit may seem I mean that's that's crazybut it's also like back then it was likepractice you know yeah each other youexchange and you know but when youbattle inside for like ladies generationyeah and when the people start talkingwhen they're unsecured and then they seethat they're losing I have to talk tohim that so he messes up and you knowwhat I I hear that I made this rule withshit-talking is I'm not gonna sayanything unless they say it but if theydo talk I'm gonna say the wildest thingso that they feel terrible and sobecause like I don't know I've alwaysbeen good at like talking shit to peoplebecause I just I have a lot of friendsthat we would do that to in battles it'sit's you know I always try to be veryrespectful but as soon as somebody sayssomething I'm like okay I got I can makeand I usually don't make fun of theirbreaking I usually just make I don'tlike that part of breaking I think Ithink it's I think it's kind of it'sit's taking the focus off of yourdancing and putting it more on your likemind games which I don't you know I meanI guess this in a way that's kind of howgreat how battling is but I don't know Iand I don't like I don't think it's trueand I to to what it should beyeah but like I said if somebody's gonnatake a shot at me I'm like well I'm 32 Igot I got nothing better to do let mejust talk yeah of course maybe you haveto defend yourself yeah but man my bestmemory of call outs is I had a crewmember back in 2003 yeah thing aroundTroy Kehoe was his name and somebodycalled him out you know because he wastalking smack and he said yeah come onokay now you you know give me 10 minutes[Laughter]because he was flexible he didn't wantto get the injury you know he needed towarm up and then what yeah man give me10 mins how did he call you is he likeno no another guy called my friend outyou know my friend said give me tenminutes and then he he lost one time helost a battle and then he calls out boomyou know their friend you know it's funto get called up as long as like it'snot it's not fun when there's like beefsomeone's trying to like cause sometrouble I think that gets kind of crazybecause in but you usually just turnsinto a fight which I really don't likein breaking there's like there's reallyno room for violencethat's why you break right yeah so wedon't touch each other there's been alot of times where there's likedefinitely my old crew flexible Flav wewould get into some crazy battles cuzyou know some crew would be beefing withus and so then we'd get into a newget crazy crazy cut everything escalatedand people with ok crew it start pushingeach other and then it's like you knowas soon as that happens it's like ohthis is gonna turn into a ok crew bellsyes we got many colors in crew bad okand we are like my crew and me we arelike produce most of them don't danceregularly ok but we still like brothersyou know yeah but back then we crewbelts we belt like almost a lot of crewsalmost many crews here yeah we go tofriends would bail like whoever is onthe opposite side you know we go to yesAmerica or Germany whatever whoever isacross us and they do something that wedo better we go inside and show way yeahyeah and then it starts so so actuallythis is something that probably gotdeleted from because we didn't recordbut you were talking about we first cameto America in 2007 for freestyle sessionin 10 with my whole crew yeah and westayed the machete hostel on HollywoodBoulevardeverybody talks about yeah it's funnycuz like outside of Hollywood people areprobably like oh Hollywood's is greatdude it's like freaking bums pooping onthe streets and stuff it's all bad crazyHollywood yeah but yeah there's a lot ofshit was crazy em and to come herefreestyle session we grew up with thosetapes yeah yeah and so then once youwere here it was probably a big likeculture shock huh yeah that was thefirst time you came to America secondtime I came first time was 2003 in SanDiego okay it was like there is like aheap of community company called cultureshock yeah you know if you know and thatwas in the soup Switzerland cultureshock oh and we came to San Diego toperform at the culture of showcase ohthat's cool okay then back then I bailedactually I bailed rainin yeah raininganda long time yeah he's in Vegas Vegas andall Cutshaw peoples of San Diego and myfriend that was a b-boy he didn't findthe way to the circle you know so I wasthere aloneand I bet like three four B voice oh youknow but I did like my thing you know Idid like already elbow one and a halfand I need some car plates you knowbecause men in Europe I never starteddancing like on the street you know wehad a nice youth center we had nice woodfloor yeah you know so I came to shitcarpet oh man no it's been no 90s yeahthat was the first time it was a goodexperience and then second time my wecame with my crew 2007 please let's Ishouldn't ten when did you decide tolive herewe came in 2010-11 new year when it wasvery cold in Switzerland we came to LAit was nice weather so my brother me wecame here to to practice and see how isthe industry because we take alsohip-hop classes also hip-hop and we sawhow how it is they industry you know andwe see b-boys here and they poke chopmovies and commercials and stuff likeman we can do some good stuff here youknow we decided to move here okay I wantto move here since a long time but 2014was the time to move yeah make yourbrother 2015 I don't know if I felt himit was like a seven to smoke in that fitExpo in convention center yeah that'sright he did surprising he doesn'treally battle that often so yeah we washaving fun man I like to start becauseIII I could see like yeah yeah he'shaving fun you know it's not like tryingto kill that other guy in a bell youknowyeahthat's good like when there is a bigdifference if you have a funny style butthere is I I always watch the skills youknow if you have a funny character or aserious character you watch how itmatches with the level of the skills youknow yeah and I said she has a level ofskills and he is having fun you know hedoesn't take it too serious you know hedoesn't need to take it too serious towin around you know so that's why I likeit and I remember him like his style islike kind of goofy and then him as aperson he's like more like serious and Ithink that my style as a breaker is moreserious and my personality is probablymore goofy than him swiss-styleI always ask people can you tell that meand him our brothers buy our styleno it's yeah I think if you look closeenough you can tell because we do a lotof the same moves it's just he doesn'twe do them differently from and but weyou know we learned from the same peoplewe you know practice like every daytogetherso it's weird how our Styles divergedlike that but I don't know yes moreflexible right he's he's more flexiblethan me and I think I'm more like flowythan him yeah and so and then I probablydo more power moves than him he doesmore freezes than me but that's maybethe main differences I mean my brothermy brother does everything more than me[Laughter]yeah so I guess in terms of like breakbreaking for you now are you still intocompeting or you just I haven't battledin many years okay yeah I belt I thinkmaybe once or twice since I moved toAmerica oh reallyyeah because I didn't move for battlingyeah yeah you know for the industry andeven my like last serious bad that weyou know with my crew and everything wasleft year 2011 yeah because I had like acrazy surgery I tore my biceps andtriceps ligament oh yeah I miss my armsyou know and that was a thing how do youdo a thousand 90s on that arm a lot ofphysical therapy and yeah but in it wasactually in June it's gonna be ten yearsago that I thought I'm gonna stopdancing yeah I'm gonna work a regularjob and that's it for me I lived a goodlife and I enjoyed my hobby for manyyears and that's it that's why I enjoynow what I don't have to practice setsor you know that I don't prepare forsocial I just have fun you know yeah youknow I don't mind doing competitionsonce in a while because it keeps itkeeps me like I don't know I guess itkeeps your both sides of the brainworking yeah yeah but for the most partI just break to like you know relievestress and it's like a meditation for meyou know cuz training yeah it make itmake it forces me to stretch my mycreative brain you know so like when Igo to a practice a lot of times I'm justI try to go into my own world and justmake up whatever I can and it's hardit's hard to think about all the likeyou know whatever stuff is going on inyour life when you're so focused on justyeah cuz you can't really dance well ifthere's something else on your mind youknow and a lot of times you feel like Idance better when there is somethingthat was on my mind because it's like itmay it makes me try harder to like focuson the music and everything you try toget that out of yeah excited you bygetting this out of you focus here yeahand then verse writer yeah well in a lotof times it's because you go like Igotta focus on this and if I don't I'mgonna think of something crappy oh Idon't wanna think about that let me justdo thisit's like kind of a nicely practice yesbefore I started talking to you and youalways practice for yourself and do yaknow yeah I think in I yeah and a lot oftimes I just focus on that and then youknow if someone wants to talk to me orwhatever I'll talk about like most ofthe time I don't really go too far outof my way to like talk to people I meancuz I used to just practice alone Iwasn't living in Sacramento and inOakland I would just go to the gym andpractice by myself like maybe once ortwice a week I'd go practice with someother people but most of the time I'djust be by myself where do you get themotivation from to practice by yourselfI think it's just I like creating stuffokay and so you can practice like hardstuff just to create I mean I'llpractice hard stuff sometimes but yeahit'll be it'll be a lot of timesit lets me I don't have any otherdistractions anymore so it's like I cango okay I really want to get this moveso I can practice you know what I needto do and then I can like adjust my handposition or whatever when I'm with abunch of people there's always like it'smore playful to me where there's like alittle bit of I need to perform I needto you know react to what they're doingtoo so it's it's always it's more of anexchange kind of environment going on bymyself it's just I'm only doing what I'mdoingyou focus on yourself yeah it's I have Ihave a lot of fun doing thatyeah it's probably my favorite part ofbreaking actually my favorite part ispracticing with my crewmen uh-huh yeahbecause like everybody like pushes eachother you know yeah and we don't have toworry about practicing anything soanybody else could practice that orthat's how it goes you know we push eachother you know oh um okay well dudewe've been going for like 56 minutes ohshoot probably wrap this show up there'sa lot I can still talk to youI don't want to go too long probablyyeah well is there anything else youwant to say before we close the showwhere can people find you here oh yeahit's the old one it works pretty wellthough and I got that tooOh yep go for a - it's not there yeah noI I bought this because I told myself Ineed to start filming myself breakingmore yeah because I seriously had likeno footage of myself because I neverreally filmed myself cuz ya know it'sjust I don't it's just not something Inormally do so I bought that to filmmyself in itmaybe you filmed for like a couple weeksand then I just got sick of it and so Idon't I don't really use it and thenwhen I started this show like oh I gotan extra camera now so I have the DJIpocket Pro no pocket and the small DJIfits with the camera and everything okayand I used it a couple times yeahokay it does also have white you andeverything okay but I know minutes Irecord with my phone most of the thingsmy phone doesn't have any space in itbecause I have a ton of music in thereso it's like but you can put an extra SDcard no I have extra I got I'm likereally into music oh you to beat I makeyeah I make music and then I just listento lots of music I guns I love you knowman I seriously can talk that's anotherman I mean for now yeah I like jasmineyou do yeah yeahsince everybody calls me ill jazz inAmerica I know but for me I don't knowman I think I like martial arts I alwaysliked like Jackie Chan Bruce Lee Johnyang and then music wise I always likedStevie Wonder Tupacoh yeah yeah that was like my LL Cool Jyeah you know and thenhe was dope sports-wise and human isMuhammad Ali's Muhammad Ali okay thoseare your influences this is mycombination of what I yeah and butbefore that GodI've always loved Jackie Chan cuz I gotjust mr. past he doesn't give off man Ithink he's gonna be appreciated morewhen he dies oh yeah dude he's alreadyappreciated yeah God that guy but manhis legacy I feel like man needs he samewith Bruce Lee yeah yeah you know uh youknow because Bruce Lee's kind of youknow I think we made mixed martial artsbecause the idea of it kind of it wasalready around but it wasn't mainstreamby any means but he just kind of that'sthat was what he was all about was thisis or the I guess it wasn't called mixedmartial arts at that time but it wasjust like the idea of pulling pieces ofevery martial art that makes you betterthat was he kind of brought it to themainstream yeah but I think Jean VanDamme is the best fine Johnson what'sthat freakin movie kickboxers was itbreaking oh yeah breaking he was likeeach he's like that's his first stepinto Hollywood it was like I mean thatmovie sucks but yeah I never owned it Ithere was a bunch of b-boys I knew backin the day that would say you'd ask himwhat their favorite movie was andthey're like breaking and I was likebreaking and beats me they would saybreak in do you like themlike it's like a parody of hip-hop likeit's so freakin goofy I mean I don'tknow I just wanted to make some moneyman I don't see some producers they sawsome kids seeing something where theycan make money okay throw some moneymoney back yeah it's it I mean all I cansee is I don't wanna hate on it but it'sso over-the-top goofy they're like Ican't get me how many movies are thereof this breaking one day there's onlytwo or to break into electric Boogaloo Ithink that's it there might be a thirdone I don't know I honestly watch themonce and I was like what am I doing withmy life I need I need to go practicewhat am i watching this crap and I grewup with Battle of teir VHS tapesyeah yeah right that that was the stuffI'd rather watch it's not all the year Iwatched one of the old freecell saysyeah yeah when you could only get theVHS tapes it wasn't any YouTube so therewas like a man fuck VHS man I still havea lot of VHS tapes yeah my god all rightso I switch on it okay I got I've got abunch here I think um yeah like Lords ofthe floor I have and they're the oldstyle elements video there used to belike absolutely made b-boys sessionGermany it was kind of like PC one manoh yeah yeah there was like b-boys allover the world one was swamp battlesyeah that was cool but battle of tier 96man it's my first yes yes it's very goodit's still good yeah yeah and I missquad versus Tyson effect I was a swisscrew it's the only time is Swiss crewone rest in peace - nice kid he wasright here yeah he did like that's I dosometimes the head spin with ball andpeace yeah yeah and me and my brothermet him and we were very youngyeah and his crew came to our city totrain with buzzcity attack and he wasthe only guy approachingus you know yeah and he was pushing usand yeah you know like teachers likedhow to do better head spin and you knowmoves just like the only guy talking tous even we were just kids you know yeahand then we from Tenali wow man you arethis guy and you talked to us and wasthere another seamless crew that wasreally popular back then that went tobattle of the year they didn't win but Ithink they got third place or somethingI don't remember yeah scrambling feetscrambling feet yeah yeah yeah that'shis crew yeah that's nice kid with toughkid he joined them too from badLafayette they bailed South Africa Ithink so I should actually go to thefinal and battle flying steps yeah thatwould have been a crazy battle and whenhe came to freestyle sessions Easterbreak yeah instant breaks man is nowhe's like pushing the community in Baselyou know in our city and they put usyoung kids and like a community centerwith dance you know can yeah it's it'sthere's good things you know okay wellyeah peace well before we do that isthere what's your like Instagram orwhere can people like talk my so Grammyselect my name yes I change a Instagramand anywhere else you want to give anyshoutouts shout-out to my crewRoughnecks and shout out all my friendsthat know me andall right thank you guys Robinson sorrythis show sucks and I don't know how topress the record but it's red it'srecording I know at least I got thatright the second timeall right let's everybody eight[Music][Music]you[Music] 

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QuinnBing in the flesh so I just wanted toput this out there me and Kurt we'retalking for 45 minutes and said I forgotto press record we're doing this allover again so I hope it seems organicyeah I'm splicing terrible the terribleaudio quality if this shit sucks youknow actually when you were when youwere doing thatwhen you're when we're talking I waslike interesting that the record buttonis green and then I realize when youpressed it I was like oh I guess it'snot supposed to be green it's supposedto be red that's freaking terriblethat's a fail oh my god um anyway so Igot my friend Kwang Bing here who is avery multi-talented guy very creativeguy very motivated guy and I want to askhim a few questions but first did I missanything when I was introducing youbecause you do a lot of thingsoh yeah well day job I'm a sleazy salesperson so I swindle people out of theirmoney hmmyeah have you ever swindled me out ofhahaha the I have I well I can't thinkthat a specific example I can't I'm sureyou have um here's an interestingquestion yeah so we're both b-boys whatis your take on b-boying entering theOlympics I think it's really cool it'sis really validating because these wewere talking about this in the otherpodcast that wasn't recorded it takes alot of fucking work and then it amazesme that some people so many peopleinvest so much of their time doing thisbecause it's dangerous you don't getpaid very well and so it's like rewardthem give them something give them theOlympics but but what was your it wasyour opinion because I think youmentioned that you don't agree with youoh no no I I think okay cool I do thinkthat it well my biggest thing on it isthat for it to be in the Olympics youneed to have like a good way of judgingit right and I think right now there'snot really a good way of judging itother than I mean coz what we doessentially is line up a bunch of peoplethat have been breaking for a longperiod in their life and say these guysopinions matter point to who you thinkwon this battleyeah in the battle is like three roundsback and forth so two people doing theirmoves or whatever I I don't know thatjust to me doesn't pass the sniff testin terms ofhaving good criteria to judge on wordslike the Olympics you know or likereally anything any sport NBA combatsports there's always like some kind ofcriteria you can judge on mmm I feellike breaking there's not because saylike I'm battling you and we do we havecompletely different styles and say youkill it and I kill itneither of us flop both of us probablydo equally hard moves what happens whohow do you vote like you know reallywhat's gonna come down to this judgesays oh I like his style more so I'mgonna vote for QueenI like Curt style more I'm gonna votefor him and then you have this you knowdivided judging panel and then one of uswins and then you say well why did I winand he lose and they go I like yourstyleand that's really it and it's like Ithink when you have when the judgingsystem really breaks down when you getto that point yeah it works well on thelower tier where you got someone who'sgood and someone who's bad and the badperson is just crashing yeah it's likethat's the universal criterias if youcrash you lose right so it makes sensethere but when you get to this higherlevel it just doesn't make any senseanymore yeah it is really hard becauselike gymnasts they're like they have aroutine already so you can tell ifthey're messing up any other likeOlympic sport it's very very clear-cutbut when you're talking about dancingit's like well I don't know it's kind oflike well I like this move better well Ilike this move better and so you can'treally and whatever they're dredging islike can you really fault them forwhatever their opinion is yeah I meanyou get that all the time where you havea battle and then Rob this guy was Robthis guy was robbed and your reason wasoh well I just like the other guy yeahyeah well can you really grab yeshow do you really define it ya know Imean cuz ultimately breaking is an artform right yeah and so I guess if youlook at it if you compare it to anotherart form like painting yeah you make apainting I make a painting we're bothequally skilled artists right somejudges are coming and looking at it theymight go oh I like the wake wing usedbrushstrokes on this in on this paintingyeah and then another guy goes oh but Ilike the way Curt use color on this yeahboth of those opinions are valid Yeahrightand they might they might you know theguy that liked my color use looks maybelooks at yours and goes oh yeah hedidn't quite hit the mark for me fromcolor use and maybe the guy that'sjudging you that likes your brushstrokeslooks at me and goes oh yeah Curt didn'treally do brush strokes on them hedidn't use those to his advantage yeahthat's also a valid point so now youjust got this criteria that doesn'treally make any sense I think yeah so Ithink that's where I'm at with Olympicsis you're trying to turn it into a sportyeah when it's really an art form so andI don't think that you that it's a badthing that you're they're trying to dothat and I think it's just a difficulttask to do because you're you knowyou're gonna what you what you have todo is essentially turn breaking intosome kind of gymnastics like thing mhmso what the what gymnasts have done islike for the for the floor routinethey'll go okay this is the moves thatwe're gonna do on the floor routine andyou're gonna judge us on that yeah andyou know each move gets a certain amountof points and you know then they gotthis clear score in the end you know andthen if they flop or anything they getdeductions for that so there's a clearscore at the end of the routine thatthey can get and then the next personcomes in they'll have a completelyunique routine too but then they alsogive the routine to the judges they gookaywe reviewed the moves you're gonna dothis is your possible score and you knowthen they're just judging on deductionsand stuff after that Sam goddamn howcould you do that would be that's my metsweaty right yeah um so I was likejudging it in the way of gymnastics Ithink is out the door so now what aboutjudging it in terms of like combatsports because in a way breaking issimilar to combat sports - becauseyou're going against an opponent you'rereacting to them you're also reacting tothe environment how do you do that Imean in combat sports a lot of it is youknow they'll judge on like the aggressorthey'll judge on how many like strikeshit or like a takedown or like someonegets knocked down each of those thingsis worth like some kind of point systemI don't know how you do that in breakingthough right like maybe maybe somewherein between the gym gymnastics and combatsports is where you do it but I reallydon't know how to mix that and so Ithink a lot of people have tried to mixit yeah and haven't got anywhere with itso yeah because even the point systemsin like all right it's like there's anunderlying bias on all of them rightit's like what do you think of the r16scoring yeah so that's Dizzy's yesscoring system shout-out to dizzy cuz Ithink he's doing a lot for this scene Ithink he's he's making his way towardsthe system because he's saying here'sthe criteria it's yeah I think he saysfoundation battle dynamics creativitymusicality creativity and musicalityyeah so each of those sound like goodcriteria for judging but the underlyingbias is that every b-boy to be a beatgood b-boy you have to have all that butmaybe not yeah see that's my that'swhere I differ because I think to myselflike do you sometimes I think you canhave an amazing round and do nofoundation I don't necessarily think youhave to do foot worker in yeah yeah yeahright well yeah so like how do youdefine each of those categories likehere's a good example um Susie Rock mhmI love this dude style I would say I'veseen some rounds from him where they'renot particularly dynamic but they'rejust like amazing they're just amazingrounds he's just like such a good dancerhe's just he knows how to work the crowdso based on that r16 judging system hisdynamics wouldprobably be low mm-hmm his musicalitywould be high and you know againstsomebody else maybe they don't score aswell you know I would think he's theclear winner but I think the system kindof breaks down when it's you know yougot a guy who's who's like that and thena guy who's completely different andthey're scoring like really high onthese thingsit's like how are you determining who'sbetter I mean in a way he uz rock isdoing some kind of dynamic stuff withhis musicality man right so does thatbleep you know how does that bleed intoeach other those two criteria I don'tknow yeah and then also what is goodwhat is good dynamics and what is baddynamics I think that's that comes downto a subjective opinion on it and samething with all the other categorieswhat's good foundation with badfoundation yeah right because itinherently uses bias the way you thinkbecause like you may come up with acertain series of moves combos and I youmight think it's cool by things like Iwell I could have thought of that yeah Idon't want to name any names here butpeople were like it's like I don't getwhy this guy's so popular like yes Idon't think it's that creative like Idon't think yes my mind blowing and it'sman like what so it's like at that pointsystem I mean I just inherently it'sjust difficult to do well you know theother thing is like the the the categoryof creativity I I mean I can I can thinkof a situation where someone would scorehigh in creativity but don't deserve itso think of somebody who bit Oh moveright from some unknown guy but nowthey're doing it on this huge stage soyeah in a way this is the first time theworld has ever seen this move but thisguy bid heats he took the move fromsomeone else he stole it he didn'tcreate the move at all now he's scoringhigh in creativity mm-hmm but he's notcreative he stole the movie bit so hewas rewarded for biting right uh youknow I I personally have a problem withthat name some names Kurtwing ding oh no it was me all along J sothis is really sanity his own brother sothis is an intervention you just wantedto bring me on to the showstop call me buddybit your name I don't utter okay thiswas in the other podcast so my fingertutting name is Quang bang and thenthere's actually a Glover name Quangbang and then I posted in this groupleveling Glover's lounge and I was likeoh cool I'm posting my my video and thenone of the comments was like hey there'salready a quayne bang how's it all surehe's like a billion times better than metoo yeah but you can do push it so ohyeah the push-up guy he's the push umOh was I saying about the Olympics umyeah so like the the criteria forcreativity kind of breaks down when itwell I guess a good judge on creativitywould have to have seen everybody andwhat they're capable of and know exactlywho's biting and who's not so which isnot a reasonable thing to ask of a judgecuz they're obviously not going to do beable to do that so but I do thinkcreativity is a big important thing tobe judging on in breaking something it'sjust I'm not against the r16 judgingsystem I just think that there's a lotof ways that it breaks down and doesn'tquite work for what we want breaking tobe but I guess in the Olympics though ifit like imagine it became its own thinglike hypothetically if maybe you saidbiting is okay yeah and then they wentinto this realm and then you're judgingon that andnow you're you're kind of like you'returning this artform into a sport whereyou're saying okay now you have toadhere to these specific rules and thatand that lets you compete in here so Imean the thing I can think of is maybelike skating how skating used to bewhere it's just like the Wild West backin like the 80s yeah and when it startedbecoming like a actual sport theystarted really defining what you do youknow and then it kind of branched outfrom Street skating and vert skating andso I mean I guess both of those are havetheir own competitive worlds but um in away I think breaking will do that whereyou it'll somehow turn into streetbreaking and competitive breaking maybemm-hmm where the street breaking is justkind of more of like what we do nowwhere it is maybe the wild west and yeahand you're you're presenting it's Iguess this it's more of the art form ofit and in the competitive world is moreof the sport world of it man I think PBSwould hate that I think you always willhate yeah but again I'm I don't thinkI'm necessarily against it right I justthink that as it stands breaking doesn'twork as a sport and so putting it in theOlympics I think there's a lot of workahead of everybody to get it to thatlevel or to get it to a point where itcan be easily judged and people and alsopeople watching would be able tounderstand what's going on because Imean imagine you don't know anythingabout breaking and then I have a judgingpanel of 10 people and then I go thatguy wins mm-hmm and you'd be like whyand then they go because I say sowhich is essentially essentially whatjudges that do now wait I don't thinkthat would go very well I mean yeah dudeso it's in what 2024 is in 2024 I thinkyou're gonna try it out look it I waslike I was like I'll be fucking cold bythem I fucking go for it fuck dude yeahhow's the oldI'll get smoked by about your kids likeI tried out for the Olympics I didn'tget very far though yeah theten-year-olds they'll be in the JuniorOlympics like oh ha hafuckers see their kids Steve I hope theOlympics is threes enough there's somegood 30 year old I know actually yeahactually Red Bull is it most I have noidea how old they wereoh I mean aren't you the older guysthere yeah a lot of them are over 30 Imean I would say half of them areprobably over 30 yeah which is so weirdbecause when I was when I first startedbreaking hmm you know but not I was like14 or something hmm everybody was intheir 20s and I was like these oldmotherha ha ha ha yeah and then I see one 30year old which I think he just turned 30when I was starting to break which isProvo and Rob nasty oh yeah you oldmother fuckers shout out to you guys butno there was a couple other guys fromback then I think like iron monkey and acouple others over like that age yeahyou know I was like it it blew my mind Iwas like oh you could still break atthat age that's crazythank you now I'm that agent like Oheverybody's this age and then I'mlooking at these like kids that were myage back then yeah 14 or whatever andI'm like these young little shits littlewhat is that the floss dance and so yeahoh my god I'd learn a real dance youguys play kickball guys play kickballand then you do 15 air flares against mein a battle you oh wait there's a guythat taught you right Tedlike when he's hit what did you go aheadoh yeah I was just gonna say Ted um hewas from my old crew flex Flav yeah andhe used to come to our high school andhe would just practice um just becauseit was a spot there and he would justteach us he was likedude how old is he I think he was in hislike early 20s but he just he knew likea couple of us so he would just come inhere like teach us and stuff and thenonce I graduated he I would go to hishouse and stuff and we just train inwhatever Oh what're they did you startbreaking um the girls women well okaythe first time I saw breaking with in umpro wrestling was really called the WWFback then and it was um was it thespinaroonie - no no okay Booker T yesbefore that guy oh it was um these twoguys named - cool and I can't remembertheir names but wait was it Scotty 2hotty Scotty 2 hotty oh yeah yeah theword ridiculous yeah Scotty 2 hotty andyeah bye anyway so like their specialmove was the one they like set the guyup yeah and then he would like do thestupid-ass dance around the ring andthen do this big like his mom was reallytight but yeah the warm across the wholethe whole floor and then just you Iloved about WWE or WF it was just sofreakin ridiculous yeah like the biggestfan of the rock he dude the moreridiculous he was uh-huhit's like the more I loved him like thelike the people's elbow when he when Iwas watching was get off and throw outthe audience I would be screaming oh mygod the people's elbow yeah yeah anywayrun from one side of the Ring to theother and just do a normal elbow drop Iwas like how did running from one sideto the other help with the elbow droplike how does that help with themomentum yeah I don't I don't think itdoesit was just absurd and then you justmake fun of people and his shit-talkingwas amazing is on pointprobably the greatest shit talker of alltime I don't know of anybody betterright I mean I think in a way like cuz II guess in the UFC there's a lot ofpeople that are starting to do that nowI think they take a lot of cues from therock from the way he used because he washe would shit talk so hard right and thecrowd would just get get in eat it up soridiculous and what they do and like andthe thing is like the more ridiculousthe rock cot with what he did thatpeople's eyebrows like but people justfucking ate it upso well the EOC I think like ConorMcGregor's yeah right he's that he'slike the number one yeahand then people mimic but think it'sthere was a guy before him Chael Sonnenhe was but he was he was very WWWE esquehe was very like though it was verycorny I loved it like I was a huge fanbut I think at the time he was like thenumber one selling fighter even thoughhe was never a champion but he was sucha good shit talker good talk and thenbut then you have Conor McGregor come inand then they're like it's a kick fromdude and then people were at first weresaying oh Conor McGregor is just tryingto be like Chael Sonnen they used to saythat but now everyone's saying everytime a new fighter comes up and startsto chuckling people just say oh he'sjust trying to be like Conor McGregorwas like Bru shit-talking has beenaround for a long time talking was withConor McGregor know it's been around formen were out there talking shit duderemember so we used to dance with thisperson Oh Candice Candice Candicebrother her brother yeah yes oh yeahyeah that guy is amazing shit talk dudehe's an amazing fighter yeah he was hewas like the thing is like people werelike um thing is people were like wouldhate on him cuz it's like oh he's justtrying to be like Conor McGregor butdude it works they keep us he talkedhimself well I mean he's he's stillreally he's a mate he's really a goodfighter and now he he's just being likehe's like the rock yes I was like dudenobody fucking worked because you knowin an interview right well I don't knowif this is sure and I assume it is butin an interview he was talking about howthe UFC was about to cut him right andthen like he got on the mic and he waslike talking shit to BruceBrazilians like this place is a dump youguys are animals world war and sin themoment and that became like a cut in hispromo and then that men they resignedhim i think i think is what happenedthat is hell yeah it was like you gottafucking do itcuz yeah i didn't watch it much of hisfight but I mean did you watch this manfight I didn't watch dude well I knewthe results I was I was rooting forcoming tonight because well we kind ofknow where I met it we used to work withthe Sooners his sister so I was rootingfor him but then my god dude they'reboth really high level wrestlersso who's mins uh was Division twochampion and then covington was he wasin the division one but he was rankedfive at the time so he was like reallyhigh up so it's like but when theyfought they were just fuckin swingingyes yeah like people were saying likefor how good the fight was yeah itwasn't very it wasn't very excited likepeople weren't cheering as muchinitiative but dude I don't know if youknow this but like he he like Guzmanbroke his jaw dude so he broke his jawin the third round and Covington stillkept fighting oh I was like what afuckin badass even even if you hate himright but he's doing it he's moving theneedle he's doing it he's keeping hiscareer he's getting paid so he's doinghis thingbut even if you even for the people whowere hating on him people were happythat he had brought his jaw broken butthe fact that he kept going till roundfive dude that was like if someone slapseemed like a stop you win like the guykept fucking fighting that's brutalhave you ever oh a key you used to domartial arts yeah yeah dudethe thing is I would I I was a I was ayellow belt that's as far as I got inkarate I was like I always lovedwatching fighting I was like I wouldnever fucking do it dude it's dangerousI did Taekwondo was like I feel I feellike I mean I feel like every match wewould do I'd see someone get knocked outdude I was like so fucking brain-deadactually even for breaking I'm like dudesome of these moves like the guys aredoing what the fuck are you doing that'sbrain damage like dude you probably haveacushion right now you probably know likeit's a cool some of the moves they doplus I do that's really so I'm like Ilove watching it I mean that's wipe theallure of double usually really excitingI'm like yeah kidding I would I loved Ilove the storylines I mean yeah fuck himup rock given the people's elbow give megive me the eyebrow yeah fuck abovewhich is basically just a hug in all itis it's it's kinda like a a chokeslamexcept you're hugging him instead yeahit's a hug dude the what what I loved uhwas it he was that famous the famous sirthe famous I was like dude my um bad assBilly good my brother my brother andsome of my friends were used towrestling moves on each otheryeah my brother did the pedigree on meonce my nose is bleeding is like goddammityeah oh but me my friend I had a friendand um growing up where we do the StoneCold Stunner on each other we're justlike randomly like like oh actuallythat's a perfect move of like dude whatdoes that move even do like like at thetime I was a kid I was like puzzles likewell how does that hurt someone knoweginning grip are they getting whiplashis that what it is is that what it iswas like itse trying to break cuz Idon't think that's a good way to know Iwas like I was really possible as likewait or is it because like they'rehugging they hit the shoulder hits thechin is that why I was like I don't butit's hyper shit oh okay you're the movieI love when the rock like when he'sslapping you and then he spits on hishead and they slap so fucking ridiculousyou know what the most ridiculous oh itwas well there's two of them then I canyeah is mankind's mr. Socko dicks itdown your throat yeah never made senseto me cuz I was like yeah it's a dirtyass sock so yeah you're probably gonnaget some diseases yeah yeah why don'tyou just bite his hand I know like itjust didn't makes it like he's trying tolike yeah I guess strangle you in a veryterrible way I guess he's opening upyour jawreally I don't know but like is it gonnabreak your jaw or something yes likeyour jaw is probably way stronger thanhis fingers so just bite him anybody dothat next like why is this my special sothere's that move that never made senseand then do you remember Rikishi oh mygod I was that's exactly what I'llfucking stinkface you just he justthrows you to the corner yeah he just healways worked he's like this big dude Idon't know how much you weigh he'sprobably like 400 pounds yeahbut he like he wears this like songthing and like well I know and he hasthis curtain over his ass and he and hejust shows his song ass and he juststicks it in their face and then justlike rut he like he like torque so fastcheeks and their disaster like biggerthan that body yeah and it's like on thedude just like dude I hope these guysgot paid like I'm just imagine if I waslike a wrestler yeah they're like yougot a fight Rikishi and I'm like dudehis ass is going on my face ass is onthe menu tonighthave you ever so there was one that wasviral but like he wasn't this guy wasn'tfamous the dude dressed up like MichaelJackson he got into it he so he dressedup as Michael Jackson he got the guy ina DDT like when you're having a headlockand then he does the moonwalk backwardsand they do like how ridiculous is itand then I saw another one dude it's sostupid but I was like but like I lovedit it was like so fucking funny and thenthere's another guy where I think Icould get this wrong but he does thisthing with his hands so he makes it looklike oh no Mortal Kombat when their dayslike I love it yeah that's one of theold school ones I think oh oh actuallywas he famous it was I don't rememberokay it was like it was on one of thosesmaller it wasn't on WWE yeah but butyeah dude oh yeah I know that was likeso okay the walls of Jerichoright that one yeah yeah oh when we werewrestling growing up I fuckin love doingthe walls of Jericho did you ever see avideo there's a guy that actually did itin an MMA fight and the guy tapped outOh for real he's like oh my god thatmove actually works yeah no frills youcan look it up like the walls like whatthe fuck I used to do it I did it to mycousin once yeah cuz we used to just trywrestling moves and I did it to him andhe was like look like it hurt yeah yeahI don't know I mean I can imagine you gofar enough it hurts well you ain't gonnawork on some people yeah cuz they justflexible as shit but dude what whenwe're on the Kings and the words we usedto do this powerbomb move all the timethis is the powerbomb so one time Kurtand I were in a competition and so whathappened so it was so we were businesstime crew they're all in suits and wewere in Seattle yeah massive monkeysmassive yeah so so Kurt we're allwearing suit and ties so Kurt was doinghis round and so the routine was nightbefore they thought you were likeplanted on the other side you're wearinglike a burglar I was I was wearing I waswearing a ski mask yeah I had a blackjacket on and so when Kurt went out andthey were like it looked like they're inthe middle of a routine and I pretendedto be on the other team so I run out Oha routine I run out and I push you andthen so you yeah it was a narrow andCarlos we're doing a routine yeah yeahand you run out and you're like noroutine and then and then I like I jumpout on bullying what the hell man I pushyou away and I start breaking like ohyeah we're gonna lose this you're likelet's just go and then and then you comeup and kick me in the stomach but butthen you punch me in the face and then Iland and I complete like a flatline likeI said yeah yeah but at first the funnypart was like the emcee was like chillchill shot yeah yeah they thought it wasreally shitreal and then the public and then youpush me to fit in there it landed likecompletely dead and it was like oh andthen they and I know the rest of thecrew pulled me off em seems like you gotsmoked and they just know it was sofunny because what right when we startedit people thought it was real oh there'sa fight about to happen yeahlike losers with these ties and the crewthat you were hiding that the guys wewere going against they just didn't knowwhat the hell is in the yeah thereaction from the MC was socialism itwas Joe from NASA monkeys he's he's areal dope host you know dope b-boy hewas he was there and he's like oh no Joeyeah and then like as soon as that hesees me punch you and you just drop onyour back yeah yeah it's just like wegot the judges to laugh we still lostthough we know we won that but we allnevermind we lost the next battle againOhNow or Never right okay okay yeah theyseem to be doing pretty well right nowall rightI think how do you kind of yeah I meanthey're they're good they're one of thebetter crews in Canada Vancouver I thinkis in Canada right yeah they're dope Ithink they're really good yeah um yeahthey're making noise I don't I haven't Imean I haven't really kept up with thebreaking scene too much in terms of likewho's winning the local right yeah butI'm sure there's they're still doingtheir thing dude I most of my breakingthat I see is just fucking on InstagramI just scrolling I'm like dudeeveryone's like a billion times betterthan me yeah I think what am i doingwith myself I should just quit getsmoked by every single person on thefucking little kids doing fucking helloto thousands and stuff or air flares onehanders as a Jesus Christ yeah dude I'mlucky if I get to air fleurs under goodyou used to have three I remember aboutI'm the day yeah and thenI've hurt this my right now older and Ilost them all yeah started getting himback I got like that was up to like tomaybe know what you didn't do beforeI've seen it ya know yeah I've done Ithink I did four oh shit point yeah butI so but I mean throughout my life I'vehad between zero and four yeah and it'sbeen like continuous just like losingthem yeah getting him back yeah so but Ithink when the most I had was like fourand then I busted his shoulder and lostall of it yeah had to had to train againto get I was probably about two and thenI hurt my left shoulder Oh Dannyopposite shoulder and so then I lostthat and then this this injury is likekind of bad yeah it's I don't know Idon't know if it'll ever be good againbut I kind of do maybe like two youprobably can yeah yeah I'm real controlman I do for Barry back in Davis I usedto like in-between classes I was likeI'm gonna get airflows I'm gonna get himdo I practice most of my time trying toget ear flares and I was just stuck onto the whole time like fuck fuck it waslike I actually gave up I was like dudeI couldn't I couldn't getting better atall these other things and I chose tostick with Air Force I God why did I dothis I really wanted them though but andthen I'm never getting like more onetime I think was like senior year andthen and then there was a bunch of newpeople I was like I'm a fucking dude infront of everybody and that helladrenaline and then I was like oh my godI feel I was I did the second one andthen I went through there was like oh mygod oh yeah that was like two and a halfand I was like oh my god I figured itout but then I never did yeah we weresaying that so I like started settleslike I don't think I'm gonna docontinuous air flows let me just try toget continuous would military flares thething is like we were talking about thiswe're in breaking to be like it's justpeople perceive you as power you have tohave air flow like an air flow or alignit if you don't do an air flare they'relikehe's he's got good ground no you'llnever be good at policy that's why I waslike I want to do windmills to airflares and get those consistently orflare to air flare consistently becauseif you combo was like oh he's he's nolonger the push-up guy he has more tooffer to me oh well you didn't hear inthe other podcast but today did hemention me already this one in thepush-up guy the push-up guy thing yesyeah wing there's a lot of push-ups inso he's a push-up guy yeah so I do thislegless push-up thing and I was sayingin the other podcast that wasn'trecorded so we're we doing thisso what happened was I I was dancing forthe Kings and then okay I was dancingfor the Kings and I people just lovedwhen I did the pushing move where mylegs were off the floor and then I waslike as a dancer like I spent all thistime I have all these moves but alleveryone wants from me is the fuckingpush-up move do that push it move yeahand then my friends would introduce meacquaintances would introduce me andthen actually not only would they tellthem they'll be like quake do it rightnow do the push it was like okay overI'll do the quick Oh dance mummy monkeydancepeople would people would randomly stopme in the street like hey aren't youthat push-up guy like fuck mandon't you have I have all these othermoves but don't you want to see thatmoves like no do the push-up movie upguys you have a lot more just do thepush-up actually so I recently um wasbreakdancing for like my company askedme was like so they they highlight um aemployee each each week and so one ofthe girls was like hey Quang can you forthe you know the All Hands meeting couldyou break dance I was like yeah sureI'll practice in small actually practicein this room I was a yeah practice insmall spacescuz it wasn't very a lot so I was likeyou know what maybe I'll just somethingthat bothers me I don't know why botherfeel like sometimes when people ask meto break I just do the push-up move andthat's itand I'm like no wonder they keep willcall me the post ship guys that's all Ifucking do and you ask me to break I waslike the go-to move the go-to moveso I was like packing and then when theyasked me I was like I thought to myselfso I'll just do the push-up andwindmills and make it easy and thenthought to myself like no quaynepreparing this stay no clang this is allyour fault this is why they call you thepushy guy this is all you fucking do soI was like I'm gonna fucking blow it upand then so I was like I was likepracticing like dude I was like runningmoves over and over it was like it waslike we were back at the words whereas arehearsal team I kept practicing themoves over and over as like I'm notgonna be called the push-up guy I'mgonna do fucking everything and so whenit when I actually did itwhen I say dude I was hella nervous likebecause that's like I was putting a lotof pressure myself I'm like no dude I'mnot the push-up guy I'm a brick morethan just that one move dude my I wasactually you happen I knew it was comingand he was comingten minutes before our meeting I waspracticing in the hallway I'll be likelooking around like it's like new movesin the hallways like I'm not gonna fuckthis up they're not gonna tell a nervouscause like the whole company's lookinglike like our office the CEO thehigher-ups the people in the Denveroffice and then some remote peopleeveryone's good they're all thereeveryone was looking or there was likebecause the thing is like everyone whenI got hired everyone's like oh quaintdances for the Warriors yes but theynever saw me break in person I was likedude the expectation is so fucking highif I come out and I'm a mediocre they'regonna think I suck oh he's he's awhere's dancer Oh and so when they whenthey introduced me like Wayne's beendancing since he was 13 he tends tothree seasons for the Kings threeseasons for the worst I was like sayingthe back there I was like my heart wasracing like oh my god clink don't fuckthis up that's like the whole day don'tfuck this up don't fuck this up don'tfuck this upyou'll never be anything more than apush-up guy Oh like you know you know ifsomeone if you do something and you suckpeople will tell you oh good job niceright but luckily that didn't happenthis time so what like they're like okayso we have a special performance andthen Gladys like my coworker Mike movedthe table I was like what's happeningand this is like she's like let me giveyou a clue so when I asked this personto perform he said sure I'll do it I'llpractice in small spaces and then she'slike could you guess who it isand then like Kwangand it's like oh my god it's happening Iwas like it's like you know like whenyou professor oh my god fuck fuck it'sactually it's actually morenerve-wracking than some of the Warriorsperformances on I was like oh my god allthis pressure like oh the Warriors breakdancers oh goodand so when I got up like I was it'slike I was like walking up I was likeyou guys are making me nervous oh my godand then like I was just like you know Ihad I had an idea before just to get areaction by doing nothing you know I didso I just got to the middle I just Ijust walked in the middle I kneeled downlike this like all dramatic i unzippedmy jacket this exact jacket and thenthrew it so the jacket like that itselfgot hello how's your boss in my face mybossoh you haven't liked when I tossed it Iwasn't even looking it went over like alike one of the founding members it wentover his head like this nearly likenearly missed his Havok Shh and then inthe end like my boss said that was likethe best part like it was like oh andthen and then I did my routine and thatis it's like dude I fucking threweverything I feel like a billion I feellike I want to say like I think sevenish moves yeah and then like and then Ibought like the CEO like her face wasred like she was like cheering so muchshe's like I was like in my bag is likeyes it's like yes no longer hey end updoing the push-up move however howeverthe good part about this story is theyjust said like oh great job blah blahblah they loved it but they didn't sayand I like that push-up move no one saidthatback at the Kings they would all war isoh just you gotta do that push-up movebut this time it was kind of redeemingelse it's like oh my god I've made itI'm more than just a push-up guy now I'mmore than just him it was my fault thisentire phoenix rising from the ashes I'mamazing so this is an example I broughtup earlier where imagine if you're anactor right and you're famous and youcare about your craft you're you'repracticing your crap you really careyou're trying really hard but you'reknown for one line like what you talkingabout Willisokay think about that's exactly whatyou're talking about that that's mecould you imagine everyone on thestreets or Oh a gate Oh imagine beingthe rock do that eyebrow thing do thateyebrowoh you're the eyebrow guy he probablyfucking hates it actually I love yourstory earlier that wasn't recording withthe Montell Jordan one there'd be a lotof celebrities that would come in and doyou know like music performances orwhatever and so one time Montell Jordancame to perform for halftime show and umwe were watching him rehearse and he wassinging the this is how we do and likeyou know he's kind of dancing but he hadsunglasses on he kind of took him offfor a second and I could see in his eyeslike that he was just deeply saddened[Laughter]basically performing this song everyperformance for his entire career whichis like he made a song in like early 90sor whatever yeah it's like 5020 likethis is crazy just collecting a paycheckI mean it's a tight song then org I knowthat see that would attract me Creekactually so that's why also he's thepush okay another story that we told onthe other one so when I was at the Kingsthere was this guy he was the emcee atthe Kings and what happened was everytime I went out he would introduce me hewould say this the strongest arms inSacramento he's like well I don't evenlive here but okay so one time he did itthe strongest arms of Sacramento and Ithought to myself like no I'm not gonnado the move I'm gonna do this spinningmove instead I have more than just amotion and so what happens is like afterour performance is done we walk into thetunnel it's like hey Quinn can I talk toyou he pulls me asidehe's like quang when I say the strongestarms in Sacramentoyou have to do the pushup move in a niceway you have to do I was like I was likehe's like yeah man when when you starteddoing spins like what is this guy doingdo the push like fuck and that you'renot the spin guy what are you doing stoptrying to break character character whodo you think you arewhy are you trying to show off thatyou're more versatile than you are youknow stop it quit it up oh oh yeah thisis like a totally random story so onetime I was at Burning Man right yeah andthis band was playing and like this guywas so bad was a band was playing in thein the playa the dust and then this guywalks up and like he's wearing like justunderwear that has like holes in itthey're like mesh underwear so he he'slike what you could see is dude I'mpretty sure I saw his dude I saw a lotof doodles at Burning Man a lot ofdoodles it's doodle town doodle man yeahso what happens like dude I wish I couldshow have this on camera but for thoseof us that are just listening he wasdoing this weird dancing he's likemoving around like like no the trunkwhite guy as freaky barbecue he's likewaving around I pretty sure like at onepoint he was like rolling on the floorhe's doing random motions like oh yeahokay think about in like a dramatic tointerpretive dance with modern andmodern dance it was like there's justbut you do random yeah she's right it'slike and then someone was like I heardsomeone behind missing oh my godit's so emotional you know they'reYellin right I mean so Lynn Lynn turnsto me and she says plain what kind ofdance is he doing I was like Lynn he'snot doing anythingdude he looks like he was on acid he'sdoing random oceans and I was like I waslike I was like Lynn and then Lynn'slike well how do you know I was likedude Alayna he was Lynn um I've beendancing for over half my life I think Iknowknow when someone's not doing anythinglike what the fuck he's not doing shitoh my god it's so emotional so I knowever the line that line it was like whatthe hell oh my god yesemotional oh my god viewing oh my god isso - it touches my soul he's literallydoing nothing oh my oh shut the fuck upso oh my god next time I MC a jam I'mabout to do that what do you do my godit's so emotional oh my god the emotionsthe emotions I mean III guess he's notwrong there's probably some emotion Iknow I used high on drugs that's what hewas he's feeling the high from the drugsthat was the emotion here this guy'sliterally doing nothing yeah actually Itold Kevin this story a long time agolike Beck and Davis right yeah isn'tcalled modern dancing where they're justdoing random stuffwhat is it cool I mean I guess that'scontradict interpretive interpretiveokay something like yeah I don't know Imean yeah see modern dance thephilosophy of it is that you're makinglike shapes with your body and there'snot necessarily like a certain formyou're supposed to do right so okay soit probably fits into there okay so whathappened was I did one of those I was Ican let's see how it is yeah just justto see how it is and so the danceinstructor right she gave the hero herinstructions okay you three start movingokay and then you other three whatyou're gonna do is you're gonna followthem but don't do their movements soyou're gonna sounds like wait so youwant them to follow them but also notfollow themoh I don't see oh and so they were justdoing random shit right just like likethe same thing like asking a guy justrolling around the floor us it's likewhat the hell is this and then and thenand then you know she says oh my godit's brilliantokay the next group 3 and 3 right thenext crew comes in J'son gives them thesame instructions okay you threetwo movements you other three followthem but don't follow them okay in thesame shit just a bunch of random andthen you have there doing it right justlike I don't get it like they're bothdoing nothing I don't fucking nothing Iwas like oh my god I was like my mindwas blown dude there dude what if shejust said that to fuck with oh I knowshe's like a troll yes yeah like it'sfucking brilliantbut you cling I don't that's that's whatthey pay me for I don't it was terribleWow awful what are you doing oh my godcalling them oh my god you know it'd befunny if there was a TV show like thatlike just like completely aware you hadlike a Simon Cowell type of person who'sjust like but he's like trollingeverybody I just I didn't feel theessence of your performance blah blahblah good really funny showespecially if yeah if if it's likesomeone who's killing it in theirperformance than the last guy just likeyeah I don't get itthere aren't there is actually a singingshow I didn't if you heard of it I thinkwas on The WB or something where likepeople like they were finding the worstsinger America so they they lie to thepeople saying like you're good have youheard that show no okay dirty as fuckbut that's hilarious dude yeah so theywere just like all these bad people thatwere horrible and then they would theywould just keep you know same thing asAmerican Idol except they'd pick andthey were just feeding these lies thesejudges but for the like for some peoplethat auditioned that we're actuallyreally good I remember one of thecomments was like yeah it sounded likeyou had like diarrhea or something buthe was actually amazing so it is likeKylie aligned with youoh my god oh man this is like yourstringer boy oh my god seems like youwere likeI ate it or something oh damn yeah I waslike oh my god it was so sad and oh myand then the reveal happens like Ohactually you know it's um it's not wedidn't find the best singer in Americawe actually found the worst singer inAmerica I think I was like but to cometo counter that the singing was like butthe you know it's not fake the the lovethis audience has for you and then theystarted cheering for him I was like I'mso sure he feels like shit yeah I waslike cut the next day he like killshimself I know dude that's like soembarrassed oh my god oh my god okaytalking about Edition actually I know afisherman in this story anyways someonethat we owe actually notice would giveit away okay no but like okay changeokay but you know like um so you'rethinking it dance right we've had somefriends I have auditioned but this onefriend in particular like he's actuallya really good dancer and should he justname namesokay who's not change their name okayokay so John was dancing but one of ourother friends Jimmy was watching him andlike so the way they cut it like soJimmy said like John was actually doingwell and and the judges gave him goodfeedback it's just he they just feltlike he didn't mix well together yeahbut during the actual like when they cutthe tapes and they were showingcommercials and then they made him looklike he was really bad without reallyshowing much of what he was doing andfelt like and and then the I thinksomething long was like and then somepeople just couldn't cut it like hoppingon his ass but like apparently he didreally well but the way they cut it theymade him look like he was really badlike and then some people just couldn'tcut it I saw our friend I was like oh noand then like later on as he few clipslater and then like in a few clips laterthey show they have a microphone to hisface and he was like it wasn't notalking aboutI feel so bad from because dude he'sactually a really good deal really goodoh dude I was like dude this is why Imean we've um we've auditioned for somethings before yes like dude I hope wedon't fake in me I fucking swear to godI hope we don't make the blooper reelblah blah blah hey remember this um thisone I wish get on camera but for thosepeople can't listen you can't really seethis dance move but you know that movewhere you like do this you push yourhead back yeah it's like you're pushingit's like you're looking like a robotyeah and then I do this and then like Ihold like this in front of me and youknow when we're auditioning for a BDCyeah I'm fucking you cuz I did that Idid it I did a competition you fuckingblew up people fucking loved it but whenwhen I did it on camera it was like ohmy god oh my god I fucking embarrassmyself I hope this is finished everyservices I thought that was so funnythough I love that movie I actuallybring it back so the Kings a snack and Ifucking I went against I think Sycharside shot I thinks I was a gay he dancesfor that job yeah so either he's reallya dancer but he's like he was doing morelike popping and krumping kind of stuffand so I was a b-boy so it was an allstyles competition so when I you didthat yeah and then and then like so Ipopped a little bit oh my god it'sfucking awful I should have never donethe popping part but they actually cutit a little bit during that - I was justtrying something I can do it - and thenI ended that popping sequence with thatmovie moment and I got the whole like myoh my whole like two rounds that I didlike I'm gonna push that clip actuallypart of me wants to post that clip on myInstagram but then like a couple of mybosses follow me on Instagram so I didso fucking inappropriate dude I've madesome questionable decisions in my lifelike some things like I like oh my godsome shits on the internet and howembarrassed is me to look back on itlike the Quang Bang thing this is becomeI'm running joke but I actually paidsomeone to write an e-book for me andyou wrote it a hundred percent no Iwrote it I wrote the book so it was likeamazing ways to make money and then Idoes the book but I thought to myselfyou know what I kind of like this nameQuangthat's like it's my brand that's who Iam and then like in the night on thebook it says authored by Quang Bang Iwas like yeah I love this name and thisis like and then like looking back islike that was really fucking stupidpeople one time okay Lin Lin again soLin was like you know what use likeshe's talking to max her husband's likeyeah you know I want to buy this book tosupport Quang the book was like threebooks like you two or three peoplebought it pity buys I post on Facebookand then Max is like no don't buy thatbook it's a joke it's not real it'soften quaint bang I was like lookingback it's like god dammit why did I dothat I just I keep it up now I was likeman that post hella embarrasses me I waslike no it's it's funny I'll keep it upbabe we should do is just say oh it wasa joke the whole timeyeah fucking brilliant so if anyone'slistening amazing ways to make money bycoin babe buy it on Amazon for 99 centsI've shameless plug I've ya know I readit and I made money do that you were youwere thinking in the clearest of mindsyeah shout out shout out to that bookanyways I think that's probably a goodway to okay so um anyways uh this is mygood friend Quang and do you have anyclosing remarks amazing ways to makemoney by Quang going by the book onAmazon now yeahhave you made money from dude so I paidsome guy $100 to white Oh 127 and thenlike three people bought the book atlike 99 cents so you lost money so soI'm teaching people how to make moneyand then I just lost my office book thatyou people how to make money so theirony hey well the Hustle is real thanksfor being here make that money dudealright man alright thanks guys[Music][Music]you[Music]  

Star Trek Picard's season finale "Et in Arcadia Ego Part 2" has arrived. We finally get to see some turn of the century Starfleet ships, plus a welcome familiar face. So what did I think of the climax? I talk about what worked for me, and what didn't. It's been a wild ride over the last ten weeks. I've enjoyed the journey, and I hope you'll continue to join me on Nerd Heaven now that Star Trek Picard is finished. There's plenty more to come! ----more---- Transcript   Welcome to Nerd Heaven I’m Adam David Collings, the author of Jewel of The Stars And I am a nerd.   This is episode 20 of the podcast. Today, we’re talking the 10th episode and season finale of Star Trek Picard Et in Arcadia ego Part 2.   And yes, apparently, it’s et, not et. It’s apparently latin. Last week I interpreted it as a mixture of french and english. Which should probably be a little embarrassing.   So we’ve made it all the way through season 1. Be sure to stick around to the end of this podcast, because I’ll be talking about what the future holds for Nerd Heaven now that Picard season 1 is finished. I’m recording this episode on the 28th of March 2020. And right now, basically the entire world are being told to stay in their homes unless absolutely necessary, due to the spread of covid 19. It’s a crazy time. But at least we have new Star Trek to talk about.   The description for this episode on memory alpha reads Picard and his team are pitted against the Romulans and the synthetics of Coppelius in a final confrontation.   The teleplay was by Michael Chabon. The story was by Michael Chabon and Akiva Goldsman It was directed by Akiva Goldsman And it first aired on the 26th of March 2020.   Make it so.   I love that opening shot of the Borg cube crashed on the shore of the ocean. And we see that Narak has arrived. Makes sense this would be the place he’d go. Elnor and Seven are just sitting around in the dark talking about xbs. Why did they stay behind again? One of the downsides of this show seems to be under-utilising certain characters, such as these two. I think this scene epitomises that problem. However, it’s a great scene. Elnor posits that because the xbs have no home, and are hated by everyone, that they might be better off dead. Seven reminds him that she’s also an xb. Does that mean she should just kill herself? The reason he gives that she should not, is that he would miss her. Nice little friendship growing between these two. So in Elnor’s philosophy, being loved by another is a reason to live. And it is. It’s one of the strongest driving forces that keeps us going through hard times. It’s also one of the most soul-destroying things that rob people of their hope, when they feel that nobody loves them.   And then surprise surprise. Rizzo is on the cube. This has me really confused. We saw her being attacked by xbs. At the last second she beamed aboard one of the Romulan ships and left the cube, heading for Coppelius. And then last week, we saw her commanding one of the warbirds, a day away from the planet. Unless that was Oh. We know she’s commanding the fleet now. But it seemed very clear to me, back in Broken Pieces, that she had beamed off the cube. So if we’re supposed to accept that she’s been hiding on the cube all this time, they’ve not done a good job of explaining it. Now she’s on the cube, but the fleet hasn’t arrived yet. I was waiting for her to fade out, as a hologram. Very strange.   We’ll see the robot butterfly flapping about a lot in this episode. It could be symbolic. I’ll talk more about it later. For now, Picard is envious of the freedom the butterfly has, since he is currently imprisoned. Soji comes in to see him.   It seems she wasn’t being a double agent last week, when she agreed with her evil twin Sutra. And she has the nerve to say to Picard “Try to see this from our point of view.” We’re going to kill you, everyone you ever loved, and literally all organic life in the galaxy. But try to see it from our point of view.” She says of his plan to rescue them in his ship,  “You choose if we live. You choose if we die. You choose. We have no choice.” But that’s exactly what she’s doing right now. She’s choosing whether people live or die, and she’s chosen for them to die. The synths have legitimate grievances again organics, but she has become just like her enemy. But she has become worse. Worse than the Federation. Not worse than the Zhat Vash, who want to exterminate all synthetic life. The synths and the Zhat Vash have become mirrors of each other. And both because of the same motivation. Fear. Again, we’ll come back to this.   Picard says “To say you have no choice is a failure of imagination.” Which I think is a great line. And one that we can all apply to our own lives. And as he points out, not only have the synths become the Zhat Vash, they have become the very monsters the Zhat Vash fear.   And so another party separates, leaving one of their number behind on the Borg cube. This time, Rizo remains to bring the weapons online. Not sure what she hopes to accomplish with the weapons of a grounded borg cube, but anyway.   And Elnor notices Narak and follows him.   Rios and Raffi are fixing the ship using the magic repair device. It feels like a technology that would be more at home in Doctor Who than Star Trek, but it’s interesting. I do like the friendship these two have.   Altan Soong is an interesting one. He really is okay with all organic life being annihilated for the sake of his synths. As long as he gets to transfer into a synth body, of course. He really believes Agnus is willing to help him do that, and then die herself. And he’s okay with that as well. The guy is a bit unhinged. Of course, Agnus has no intention of helping him, or of dying.   Narak makes a good point to Rios. He’s trying to save the universe. And he is. While Narak and his sister are really not fantastic villains, this is one aspect of them that I like. They believe they’re the good guys. They’re not just evil for evil’s sake. I do like a villain who is the hero of their own story. Right now, Narak and Rios have a common enemy, and a partially common goal. They need to stop the synths from calling in the supersynths. Of course, Narak wants to do that by eliminating all the synths. So working with him is very risky. But maybe, just maybe, the partially genuine feelings he developed for Soji have softened him just a bit. Maybe he’s hoping to find a way to save the universe without slaughtering the synths. Maybe that’s why he insisted that Rizo stay behind at the cube, because she’s more trigger-happy than he is.   I really like Elnor’s innocence. He just says what’s on his mind like a kid. He looks across the campfire at Narak and says “I don’t like you.” And yet, somehow, Evan Evagora sells it without it sounding silly or on the nose.   So Narak tells the story of  ganmadan. It’s like the Romulan end times. What’s interesting is that he says “some say it dates back from long before our ancestors first arrived on vulcan.”   Now, either this is a mistake in dialog, meant to say “before our ancestors arrived on Romulus from Vulcan”,  or they are implying that Vulcans are not native to their homeworld, that they travelled their from somewhere else. Which is a major game-changing idea to casually just drop into conversation like this. What are we supposed to make of this?    Anyway, Ganmadan is a story that is eerily reminiscent of what is going on, even more eerily reminiscent of what will soon happen later in the episode. Narak doesn’t believe it’s a prophecy, he believes it’s history. A history that will repeat itself.   Okay. So we know the super-nasty-synths from a higher plan have come and annihilated organic life before. But they were called by two sisters? It seems strangely coincidental that all those eons ago, it was synths made in sibling pairs, just like Maddox’s synths, that called the big bads. So I’m left wondering. Is there more to it? There’s no time-travel involved in this show. Will there be there in the future? Or is it supposed to truly be a real prophecy? Something none of the characters around this fireplace actually believe in?   I know it would probably be easier to pull off their plan in daylight, and the campfire scene allows the episode to give us some exposition in a dramatic way, but given the stakes, they seem to have very little sense of urgency. If I were them, I’d be trying to destroy that beacon as soon as possible.   They do that cutting back and force thing again here, and it works well for me here, because it’s kinda reminiscent of a heist movie.   They hide the detonator in a soccer ball, which the synths let him carry into the village. Odd that he’d happen to bring a soccer ball, but whatever. I’ll give them that one.   So agnus breaks Picard out of jail. I love Agnus’s face when she says she thought she’d be a terrible secret agent, but she’s starting to think she may have a gift.   Picard and Agnus are talking about how to stop the synths. Technologically, they’re more advanced, but they’re also like children. Their only teachers have been a couple of hermits. And we already know that one of them, Soong, is a pretty unstable guy. They’ve lived their lives under the threat of extermination. Picard can’t single handedly take down the Romulan Fleet, or destroy the beacon, but he can teach the synths some better lessons. This is what he’s good at. This is the speech-making Picard we’ve known all these years. Who debated passionately with Q. Who pleaded with Soran to call of his genocide of the people in the  Viridian system. Picard is a man who influences and convinces. That’s how he’s going to save the day. “Yes, they have life, but nobody is teaching them what life is for. To be alive is a responsibility as well as a right.” He’s going to teach them this lesson by example. This is a pretty decent Picard speech, and will likely be remembered alongside many from TNG.   “Fear is an incompetent teacher,” he says. Feat has been an important theme throughout this show. Probably the most important. Everybody in this show is allowing their actions to be dictated by fear. The Zhat Vash, Starfleet, the synths. They’ve all succumbed to it. That’s the other thing about fear. None of us are immune to it. You know what would have made this theme even more powerful, is that if Picard himself had struggled with fear a little through this season, but overcame it in time to teach the galaxy this lesson. Picard has had an arc, and he has struggled with things, but fear hasn’t been one of them. Which makes him come off, just a little pompous. But then, I guess that’s also been a bit of an aspect of Picard’s character all these years. He’s the high idea, the one who teaches us all the error of our ways. This show has probably given us the most flawed Picard we’ve ever had. So, I’ll not be too harsh here.   Actually, I’ve gotta say on second viewing, I’m really connecting with this more than the first time. The thing is, at 94 years of age, Picard is no longer an action hero. He’s using what he’s got. His mind. His mind, and his conscience are as keen as the day we first met him coming down the lift in the engine room of the newly commissioned Enterprise D.   And then we finally get our one and only “Make it so” in the season. And it’s spoken, not by Picard, but by Agnes. In a way that feels very much fan-service easter-egg. I talked about this last week. “Make it so” is not something that should be fan service. Make it so is not an easter egg. Make it so is a very natural and regular part of Picard’s vocabulary. I don’t think the writers of this show understand that. It makes little sense for Agnus to say it. First of all, how does she even know it’s a phrase of his. He’s never said it in front of her, at least not on screen. It’s like they’re thinking, “we can’t put in too many easter eggs, and we’ve got to mix them up, so we’ll have Agnus say it.” Totally missing the point there. As I said last week, there have been plenty of opportunities for Picard to say it very naturally. But instead, they give us this. I know it’s a small thing, but we Star Trek fans like to nitpick the small things. And this was a bit frustrating to me. Anyway, moving on.   So Soong learns the truth. Saga was killed not by Narak, but by Sutra, who let Narak go. So he decides to become one of the good guys. He confronts Sutra and de-activates her. But remember, minutes ago, this was the man who was quite okay with all organic life being obliterated. This is a little too much for me. It’s not that the realisation that he’s been played makes him join the good guys, it’s the fact that he went so far the other way first. I’m afraid it’s not quite working for me. Soong realises at this moment that he’s been a bad teacher. His line as she falls is kinda telling, though. “Turns out, you’re no better than we are.” It seems that Soong believed the synths were better than humanity. Superior, not just physically, but morally. Perhaps that’s why he was willing to let all organic life die. This line helps, but his turn is still too jarring, from super-super-evil-moustache-twirler to reasonable man.   And I’m afraid I have to point out that Elnor and Narak punching and kicking synths is ridiculous. All they’d get for their trouble would be broken fingers and ankles. These are androids. Metal and plastic. Super strong. And super fast. Honestly, there’s no way our heroes should succeed here. But of course, they don’t. For a second there, I thought Soji was going to turn good and help them. But no, she throws the detonator into the sky. She’s really still okay with comitting genocide.   I’m ok with the other synths being committed to this plan. As picard says they’re children who’ve not been taught well. But until recently, Soji thought she was human. And she’s begun to develop relationships with humans.   Anyway   Rizo is trying to use the Borg weapons to destroy La Sierena. But Seven shows up to stop her. I always thought Elnor would be the one to kill Rizo, but I’m okay with Seven doing it. In fact, that may be even more satisfying. Especially when she says “this is for hugh.” Rizo’s prejudice against rescued former borg is inconsistent. She doesn’t treat her aunt Ramdha with hate, or call her a half-meat. But it’s probably a mistake to look for logic or consistency in hate.   Have I mentioned before that I quite like the designs of the new Romulan warbirds? Oh orders her people to sterilise the entire planet. I feel like the episode should be over at this point. They should have been able to destroy the settlement before the orchids even made it into orbit. Anyway, those orchids buy us a little time.   I have quite mixed feelings about this next part of the episode. So Agnus and Picard come up with a plan, inspired by the old Picard Maneuver he used on the Stargazer against a Ferengi vessel all those decades ago.   Picard’s plan here is to show Soji a better way. Her specifically. She’s the one he can reach. She’s the one he’s been building a relationship with all this time.   He’s not just trying to stop the synths from unleashing hell. He’s also trying to stop the Romulans from killing the synths. In effect, he’s on both sides of the conflict, or on neither. He wants Soji to know that despite what she’s doing, he still wants to save her people, to find an option that works for all.   Again, Oh orders all ships to target the nest. Then a good 30 seconds before Picard’s fake ships even appear. The nest should now be destroyed. But no, the Romulan ships are just sitting there, their guns glowing. Doing nothing. And Oh is so distracted by the site of La Sirenna. One ship. “What is that?” she asks, like she’s seen something amazing. This is not a new problem. TNG often had the crew of the Enterprise sitting around like stunned mullets when they should have been acting. This time around, it’s the villains. Then Agnus pulls off the trick. Lots of fake La Sierannas. It distracts the Romulans for a moment or two, but it doesn’t actually achieve anything. Except, I guess, it buys them a little more time for Starfleet to get there. But before that can happen, the brecon activates. It opens a whole in space. A portal. Again Oh, is so slow. Does it really take that long to re-target their distruports? “On my command. Now I’ll start into space dramatically for a few seconds beforeI give the command. Oh. too late. Starfleet are here now.”   However, the arrival of Starfleet was a great moment. We’ve been wanting to see some turn-of-the-century Starfleet ships, and finally we get some. This is the moment we’ve been waiting for. We spot some modern upgrades to the nebula class, an excitingly, a couple of sovereign classes! Could one of these be the Enterprise? Has the Enterprise E been retired or destroyed at this point? We don’t actually know. But either way, it’s wonderful to see the sovereign class. I love that ship. And you know, this is the first time we’ve actually seen the sovereign class in a TV show. Back when they were doing the TNG movies, we never saw a sovereign on screen in either DS9 or Voyager. I thought that was a shame, personally.   At a closer look, those other ships are not so reminiscent of the nebula class. They’re kind of a squishy hybrid between the intrepid class and the galaxy class, but skinned with the aesthetic of the sovereign class.   Most of the fleet seems to be made up of this new ship class, and sovereigns, although I think I might have spotted something slightly deficient-esque. But maybe not. Anyway, then, a not-so-big-but-still-welcome-suprise.  This is acting Captain Will Riker in command of the USS Zheng He. I was hoping Riker would put the uniform back on to lead the fleet coming to Picard’s aide. He’s not on board his old ship, the Titan. This, apparently, is Starfleet’s most powerful ship.   The ship is named after chinese explorer Zheng He. Apparently, he was also a mariner, diplomat, fleet admiral, and court eunuch! That’s quite a diverse career. He lived from 1371 to 1433.   We don’t know much about this ship. We don’t even really see the exterior. Memory alpha describes it as a Zheng-he type starship. So it’s a new class, a prototype. We have no registry number. We do see the interior of the bridge, and I quite like what little we see of it. Loving that super wide viewscreen. Apparently, the bridge is a redress of the USS Discovery bridge. All I recognised was the chair, so it must be a pretty significant redress. Anyway, that aesthetic looks a lot more appropriate here at the turn of the 25th century than it ever did in the twenty third. As much as I love this moment, I’m kinda annoyed that they don’t even show us the exterior of this ship. We Star Trek nerds live for this kind of thing.   And all the while everyone is talking, that beacon is still working, and the portal is open. There’s a real timing problem with this confrontation.   While all of this is happening, Picard is having some kind of stroke or something. Obviously related to his brain defect. It seems his syndrome, irumodic or otherwise, is taking his life a heck of a lot quicker than we were expecting. But Picard still has to convince Soji.   He begs Soji to prove to the Romulans that she’s not the destroyer, that they don’t need to fear her. And while all of this is going on, those fleets are still just sitting there. No shot has been fired yet. Even though Oh ordered her ships to target the Federation fleet and attack. For some reason, these romulan weapons take an absolute eternity to re-target, which is preposterous to me.   Picard makes a good point. We’re not trying to destroy you. We’re not joining the Romulans, targeting you. We’re defending you. Because we believe in you.   Then we get a cool but brief look at the super-synths. They’re really creepy. The stuff of nightmares. Crawley tentacled things squirming in red-tinged space.   Soji finally listens to Picard’s words and turns off the beacon. As well she should. Picard, I believe, has successfully made his point.   But it’s at this moment when everybody seems to give up too easily. The super-synths are just gone. Now we have to speculate at this point, that the beacon is more than just a message, saying come help us. It literally opens a portal into our universe. A portal that can’t be opened from the other side? It would seem to me that these super-synths wouldn’t just give up and go home just because the beacon stopped transmitting. I mean, the beacon could have been destroyed by the organics.   The romulans give up too easily. These extremist Zhat Vash who have devoted their lives to wiping out synths leave the scene immediately. And then the entire Federation fleet leaves the system. Escorting the Romulans out of Federation space, apparently, but not one ship remains behind to guard the planet, or to make sure no super-synths return with a portal of their own.   I love that we got to see the Federation fleet, and I love that we got to see Riker in uniform again, the new uniform. Looks good on him. But I wanted more. Starfleet didn’t even fire a shot. I get that this show is more sci-fi drama than sci-fi action. But this felt quite anti-climactic to me. I was expecting an epic space battle here. It could have been one to rival the battle in Deep Space Nine’s Sacrifice of Angels. The two fleets should have battled while Picard was convincing Soji.   Anyway. That was the plot climax for the series. But not the character climax. That’s about to come now.   The little exchange between Picard and Riker actually felt reminiscent of the scene between Kirk and Sulu at the end of Star Trek 6. They may not be stationed on the same ship together, but these characters will always have each other’s backs.   And now that it’s all over, Picard’s brain tears itself apart. Hastened by the dru Agnus administered. I’ll admit, this surprised me. I thought Picard’s slow descent into dementia and eventual death would be an arc that would take us through all seasons of this show.   It’s an emotional moment, but at the same time, it’s kind of hollow. We know this is not the end. We know they’re already working on season 2. The show is called Star Trek Picard. They’re not gonna do it without him. So we know they’re gonna pull some kind of magic reset button like they did back in the days of TNG.   As Picard dies, he tells Rafi she was right. She asks what about, but he never gets any more words out. What do you think he was talking about? I’m guessing he means when she got angry at him for giving up after Starfleet refused to help the Romulans. It’s the one big disagreement they had.   So now we get a couple of character scenes between different people. When Rios says “You heard?” they make it clear that Picard has died. But there’s more they don’t tell you yet. Seven is angry at herself for killing somebody just because it’s what they deserve. Just because it feels wrong for them to still be alive. I love this moment. I agree with Seven. It felt wrong for Rizo to still be alive, given how evil she was. If we were talking about a real person, I’d feel differently, but because she was fictional, I really really wanted her to die. But I love that the show addresses the harsh reality of this. Seven took a life. That’s not a good thing. It’s not something to be celebrated. In so many shows, the good guy kills the bad guy, and feels nothing. This show is acknowledging that Seven did what had to be done, but that doesn’t means she should be okay with it. Taking a life exerts a toll on the killer. I assure you I don’t say that from experience. I’ve never killed anyone, and I desperately hope I never have to.   As for Rios, he’s angry for once again letting a great captain, another father figure, into his heart, only to lose them again. These are the moments that Star Trek Picard excels at. The quiet character moments. And then the butterfly swoops past the camera again. At this moment, my wife said “That butterfly has to be symbolic of something.”   Poor Elnor. The way he puts his fists up to his eyes didn’t feel like a good acting choice. Looked more like a little kid crying of a broken toy, than a young man crying over the death of the only father he ever knew. But apart from the tiny moment, this scene still made me hurt inside. As Elnor sobs and Raffi holds him. Yeah, that got to me, so well done to both actors.   And then we cut to Picard. I think that maybe, the butterfly was symbolic of Data. Although the butterfly has what Data lacks. Freedome. But i’m getting ahead of myself.   Picard wakes up in a room with Data. Data calls it a massively complex quantum simulation. Turns out, Picard’s consciousness has been uploaded into a computer. That computer also contains the consciousness of Data, originally backed-up to B4, and used to clone all the other synths. So..this is efficevely, the real data. Not a dream.   This is wonderful because it gives Picard the chance to actually have a real talk with the real data. Also, I love that Data shows up in my favourite uniform - the TNG movie uniform he last wore before he died. Makes sense. That’s what he was wearing when he backed up his engrams into B4.   I love how Picard says “I was furious” because Data sacrificed himself to save Picard. And Data says to straight “I apologise, Captain. But I am not certain I could have done otherwise.”    Data doesn’t quite look right in this scene, but honestly, that doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Brent Spiner is 71 years old. He was 38 when he first played Data. He’s allowed to look different, even under all that makeup. And this is a beautiful scene.   This really is a great conversation. They talk about their lack of regret for the sacrifices they made for others. This all helps Picard finally come to terms with Data’s death. It’s beautiful. Which makes it all the more heartbreaking when Data makes a request of Picard.   Data asks Picard to terminate his consciousness. What did I say about this show being full of suicide? Here’s another example. I struggled with this. Data says he doesn’t want to die, he wants to live, however briefly, knowing his life is finite. Mortality gives meaning to human life, captain. Data says peace, love and friendship are precious, because we know they cannot endure. I agree with Data that these things are precious, although I’m not sure I agree with his reason. They are precious, but not necessarily because they cannot endure. I’m not even sure I fully agree that they cannot endure.   Anyway, Data has always wanted to be more human, and there is nothing more human than mortality. As Picard said to Soran in generations. It’s our mortality that defines us. It’s part of the truth of our existence.   Picard agrees. And so, heart-breakingly, we have to watch Data die a second time. And it’s worse than the first time. But I’ll get to that.   The thing I like about this show is that, in some way, it redeemed Star Trek Nemesis. Don’t get me wrong, I still think that’s a bad movie, but this gives much greater meaning and depth to it, in much the same way that Avengers Endgame gave more depth to Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of The Galaxy.   So they downloaded Picard’s consciousness into the golem. It looks exactly like Picard’s real body. We still don’t understand if this golem is made of metal or flesh. But given he has normal skin tone, not yellow skin and eyes, I’d suggest it’s probably a flesh body like what Soji has.   Picard seems remarkably okay with this. Personally, I’d find the realisation that I’d died and was now in an artificial body a difficult transition to get used to. I’d be feeling a whole host of emotions.   But this body is not augmented. No super strength or speed.  The brain abnormality is gone. I love when he says, almost panicked, “you haven’t made me immortal.” “No, we were paying attention. You’ll die roughly around the time you would have died otherwise.” And then Picard says “I wouldn't have minded an extra 10 years. Maybe 20.” We still don’t know what the average lifespan of a human in the 24th century is, but it’s clearly longer than current day.   So picard de-activates data. As he listens to Blue Skies he sips a drink and closes his eyes with satisfaction. He lies down, like he’s going to have a nice nap. This is a hard scene for me to watch. Last time, we just saw the ship blow up. This time, we have to watch data’s face rapidly age, into a ray dried husk. And then he whisps away like he’s been Thanossed out of existence. That’s hard. It hurts that they brought him back like this, just to have him die again.   So now that we’ve all crying, let’s take a look at thematically what this is saying. Data’s desire to end here, seems to connect with the common quesion that people often ask, “would eternal life became a form of torture? Would living forever eventually become so painful that you would want to end?” This is a thematic question that Star Trek Voyager once addressed, in the episode Death Wish. The best Q episode they ever did on Voyager, and some would argue, the only good one.   This is an interesting philosophical question. And I understand where people are coming from, when they ask it. And to be honest, I have contemplated the question myself, certainly since I first watched this scene last night.   I personally do believe in an afterlife. But I don’t believe it will end up becoming torturous. I believe it will be a fulfilling existence, and that it will be eternally fulfilling. That’s the biblical perspective.   But Data is not living in the version of eternity that I believe in. Data’s situation is not entirely unpleasant. We metaphorically see it as a room he is in. A comfortable room. In reality, he’s an isolated personality inside a computer simulation. He probably has plenty of literature to access, and we know Data was creative, so he can probably create his own entertainment. But he is alone.  Nobody to interact with. And as much as someone like me might jokingly say “that sounds like introvert heaven” to really truly be alone, with nobody else, for the rest of eternity. That would be hard. That would be painful. Even for an extreme introvert like me. So I can see how he wouldn’t want to remain like that forever.   It’s all very thought-provoking.   So I get why they did this Data. It’s sad that Data, the one who should have endured long after all his shipmates is truly gone. But it’s good to know a part of him will live on in the children Maddix and Soong have created from him. Data will not be the last soong-type android. He is the father of a new race.   But what about Picard? As I said, I thought the arc of his brain abnormality would continue through the rest of the show. The writers said they planned to make this a 3-season show. I feel they jumped the gun a bit here. Picard’s illness played out too quickly. They killed him, only to put him in a synth body, the problem all solved now. Why did they kill him off only to bring him back like that? It all feels kinda pointless to me. It’s like, they’ve just eliminated the most interesting part of his character, for no real reason at all. That reset-button mentality was, in my opinion, one of the weaker aspects of TNG and Voyager. And not something that I am thrilled about them reviving.   And then we get that final scene on the La Sirena. The ban on synths has been lifted. In one sense, this again feels a little too easy. But I can accept that once Starfleet understood that it had all been a conspiracy, that Oh had infiltrated Starfleet and set the whole thing up, to make the synths look bad, they would see their mistake and undo it.   The whole problem is fixed. It seems Elnor and Seven and Soji will all remain on board, as part of Picard’s new crew.   Picard now plans to wander the universe, Doctor Who style. Looking for whatever adventure may find him.   It feels like everything has wrapped up a bit too nearly. I thought this was gonna be a 3 season story, but it seems this story is completed, and season two will be a completely new standalone story. That’s not different to Discovery, really, but, I dunno, this ending just felt a bit too much like a TNG ending. There’s a lot of great nostalgic  stuff from TNG I’ve wanted to revisit, but TNG also had a lot of weaknesses, and this feels like they’re reviving the weaknesses along with the strengths.   I hope I haven’t come across too critical this time around. When I first watched it last night, this finale fell a little flat for me. Upon second viewing, I’ve appreciated the thematic and character stuff a lot more, but the climax still felt a little … well …. Anticlimactic.   Star Trek Picard hasn’t been a perfect show, but I would say on balance it has been a good show. I’ve enjoyed it, and I’m sure I’ll get it on Bluray when the time comes. Certainly this show has been better than both seasons of Discovery so far. So yes, my opinion is overall positive.   I really liked how all the story elements came together, and how the mysteries were paid off.   This has been the first STar Trek show ever, to not focus on Starfleet. I feel that at the end, Picard has a rag-tag group of friends, not a crew as such. It’s almost taken us to a bit of a Farscape-eqsue kinda place. Which is interesting.   A part of me wants more Starfleet, though. I want to see what will become of Starfleet as we move into the 25th century. I wanna know what their new ships can do. I want to see more people in that new uniform.   I think ultimately, I am hoping that this won’t be the only show set in this time. We’ve opened up a whole new era of the Star Trek universe. And I want to keep exploring it. I’d actually love something that connects a bit more with Deep Space Nine.   Anyway, I think I’ll leave any further overall thoughts on the series as a whole for another time, after I’ve let it marinate a bit. But I’m very glad that CBS have given us this show. I’ve had a fantastic time on the ups and downs of this journey.   So now that Picard is done and dusted. What am I doing with the Nerd Heaven Podcast. Well, it certainly isn’t over. I feel we’re just beginning.   I’ll keep talking about sci-fi and fantasy. And Star Trek will always be a big part of that. I’m going to move from a weekly schedule to a fortnightly schedule, now that I’m not talking in real time about a current show on the air. I’ll be back next week, where I’m gonna talk about my own history with the Star Trek franchise. But there’ll be no podcast the week after. And then back the week after that. I’ve got plenty planned for the future. I plan to talk about the two remaining TNG movies, Generations and Insurrection. In fact, I’ve already recorded my thoughts on Generations. I have some Stargate content I want to do, and a Lord of the Rings, Read, Watch and Walk series. And I want to work my way through the DC movies. I’ll probably tackle the Marvel movies at some point as well.   Will I return to the weekly format? Maybe. Perhaps when Discovery season 3 comes out. We’ll see.   But going fortnightly now will give me a bit of a breather, and let me get a small backlog built up, so I don’t feel I have to spend all of my Saturday every week putting this show together as quick as I can. Plus, I’ll have time to give some attention to some of my other creative endeavours.   Anyway, be assured. The party is just getting started.   I’ll see you next on Nerd heaven.   Live Long and Prosper.   Make it so.

All right. Welcome back. It's gut check project, Episode Number 33. I'm here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. I'm Eric Rieger. Dr. Brown. What's happening In a day?Not much I tell you what, this is really cool Episode 33. It's you and I know guest because we got to cover some serious science. Yeah, we do. A lot of people want to know what happens whenever you take certain things that works as post biotics, not just probiotics, but what do I do to feed my bacteria? And is that even number one? Is that even a real thing? What's a post biotic? Do I care what happens with the foods that I eat and what my bacteria does with it? And if I do, what's happening? so I'm going to, we're going to deep into deep into, we're going to dive in deep into some awesome science about what happens when we take care of our bodies, bacteria. Well, the reason why I wanted to get into this is that we got tons of feedback on the fecal microbial transplant episode. And then of course, when we had Panez on here talking about Crohn's disease. Yeah. So one of our viewers, Don sent me a message that basically said, so I'm more confused than ever. What do we do now? I started looking into it, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, now I know why so many things happen to poor Heli I, we're going to talk about that we're going to look into this, and hopefully clear up a few things. But I love the fact that we have viewers that are calling in be like, great episode, but now I'm more confused now and you know, follow it up. So that's what we're going to do today we're going to follow it up and talk about how Heli and Panez that has groans and Ellie, with her horrible autoimmune disease and everything like that with her fecal microbial transplant. I'm now starting to put the pieces together. I'm moving this big bubble of Venn diagrams, and I'm like, Oh, my gosh, this is here. So that's what we're going to do today. Your job because I mean, when I mean, I got excited, like, I my hair started going up in my arms. I was like, it's there. We're missing this. What I'm going to do right now is talking about some stuff that probably should have been put together before or maybe it has been maybe, but I looked at a lot of research I spent I just went down rabbit holes, and I'm kind of excited to talk about it.Well, it's awesome. It's easy to do. I can tell you that I would imagine that we're probably going to talk about not only post biotics, but some really cool names like short chain fatty acids, right? We're going to head that direction?We're going to talk about that ..PolyphenolsWe're going to talk about SIBO, its IBS, all that stuff. PolyphenolsThis is gonna be a great episode. If you if you if you're truly interested in gut health, you cannot ever stop expanding your knowledge and understanding why people say, health begins and ends in the gut. If there's a reason why that people who change your diet feel better, and this is what we're going to talk about today, so.. Yeah, totally. But you know, but before we get into that, we're not just, we're not just podcast nerds. I have a life. Okay. I'm pretty excited. I went and I did Rachel Sheers podcast, Sheer Madness. With her little Frenchie thingy Bulldog, yeah, called Lily. And so we went and did that. That's gonna launch here pretty soon, but you can see pictures of that. So that's cool. Um, and I also feel like I've been working too hard and people ask me, they're like, you know, do you have a hobby I'm like, wow, I'm..No so I was watching 60 minutes and I don't know why I'm turning into my dad. We're now I watch 60 minutes on Sundays and rather enjoy it. But I'm gonna pick up falconry. In fact, I've picked up falconry.That's amazing. You've already done it in such a short amount of Yeah, specifically Golden Eagle falconry. OkayYeah. So basically I watched a 60 minute episode and Mongolia Nomads depend on animals to get other animals because they have no agriculture. So what they do is they make this bond with golden eagles and they use them to hunt other animals for them. And they've been doing this for thousands of years. Well, there's a woman named Lauren McGough. She's a PhD, she traveled to Mongolia. She's from Oklahoma. Oh, wow. Yeah, like, imagine having that conversation with your dad. You're like, I'm gonna go to Mongolia. But she's from Oklahoma. She found this old book on Eagle hunters. And she's like I'm gonna go do this. So she figured out that this is such a unique way of living where you live in unison with the animals. So she went there, she captured her own Golden Eagle bonded with it, and then became part of their tribe and hunted with this thing. Wow. And then has come back and it's been like, you know, a conservationist and she's a PhD and she lectures and all this other stuff. So these things, she owns her own eagle and what they do is they there's, they describe how you actually get it, but it's safe and everything in the ego bonds and then they let the ego go, like you're back out in the wild. I'm done with young either, you know, do you want to leave like when the ego wants to leave, it just leaves, but it hangs out so they can fly 50 miles an hour, and they can see seven times better than a human. And then they let it go. So anyways, I got into it. So I got my first Golden Eagle. And I've been trying to do this, but it just keeps bringing the neighbor's cat to me. Yeah It's not working the way it did on 60 minutes.While like he keeps bringing the neighbor's cat so it's unharmed, which is really really sweet.Totally unharmed. It's it's a completely loving eagle, the cat loves it. I just pet it for a little while. Yeah. Then it delivers it back to the neighbor. I don't know where the neighbor is.. Could be different city who knows? Travels 50 miles an hour. It's common knowledge of birds of prey just don't ever hurt anything. They just want to show it to somebody. So that's my hobby. Yeah, interesting. I can't even match that. So probably not going to the boys are about Star basketball playoffs. So that's what we're getting fired up to do. weekend was nice. Did some camping Saturday, Saturday evening. Woke up to beautiful sunrise Sunday. It was it was awesome. And that really kind of what we did this weekend is can take it easy. So..Good for you. Taking it easy is good. I want to bring up one in the news article that I saw because pretty cool. Yeah. All right. You're gonna love this. Just published this month, actually. It was published the February 14th. So in the news, the American Heart Association published a study out of Northwestern on peace. With peripheral artery disease PAD, also known as PVD, peripheral vascular disease. Now peripheral vascular disease or arterial disease is a narrowing of the arteries that reduces the blood flow from the heart. So the further away from the heart. Imagine you have coronary artery disease. Same thing happens all over the body... But the further away it gets, it can actually affect people where you can't walk very, very far and it affects over 8.5 million people 40 years of age or older nationwide. It's a big deal. Sure. So this is so cool. In a small study of 44 people at Northwestern University of patients over the age of 60. They gave them a beverage drink containing flavonoid rich cocoa.Interesting.They gave them cocoa and then they added some epigalic tannins to it. Hmm, sound familiar?Thats polyphenol people right there polyphenols, they gave people polyphenols the American Heart Association is now starting to catch up they're, I think watching the podcast. I'm sure they are. I think they are. So basically what they did is they showed that people that took this three times a day for six months, which shows that it is a supplement three times a day in a cardiac diseased laden population, ... no side effects... three times a day, six months, and they improved their six minute walking test compared to those who drank the same number and type of beverages without the supplement.It's funny you say that because people who have serious complications with diabetes that ends up with PVD or PAD, oftentimes, they end up doing that walking test, especially if they have numbness in their feet, or they notice that they have sores on their toes that they're unaware, but a family member sees, right?YeahSo just a side note, if you happen to have diabetes, it may, it may behoove you to keep up with your polyphenol intake daily.And it also may behoove you to listen to the rest of this podcast because I'm going to get some cool stuff but so look at this.. so you're like, Okay, well what does that mean? So if I drink cocoa notes cocoa enriched with epigalic, tannins, same tannins that we have in Atrantil the right part, those are the polyphenols. So those that drank this, they improve their muscle function over the placebo. But what's really cool is they showed that they did muscle biopsies and they showed increased mitochondrial activity. It improved the mitochondria increase the blood flow through through..The mitochondria what are you saying?No, no, it increase the blood flow because of the polyphenols through..?ArterialDilation, because of nitric oxide production. Okay Everything that we've been talking about.I know he's teeing me up folks, I really hate them. Because there was lots of through there and andYeah, I'm just just follow this basically.. We now have scientific reasons why polyphenols improved sports performance, okay. It affects mitochondria and it increases the blood flow. Now we're into a much better realm. And I understand the categories that we're in because we've multiple times referenced the studies that Joe Botel from from England was talked specifically about increasing nitric oxide, specifically in athletes to increase blood flow, increased performance, etc. So sorry, I didn't see the T up there.Well, this is what's so beautiful. We always talk about, you know, athletic performance. Now we're talking disease. Now we're saying that, okay, yes, if you're a triathlete, or if you're a marathon runner, but there's a whole lot more people, you want to see how many people actually have peripheral vascular disease. Go to the airport. I remember and this is a man, this was a I remember when I was flying. I think the flight was going to Florida. Oh, and so there was quite a few people over the age of 60. They were all in shorts. None of them had leg hair.Oh, well, and circumference right..Circumference. All the way ... So just so you don't get along because I'm one of these if you still have hair. On one side of your leg, but on the other, that's not what we're talking about. But if you have a, there's like a line of demarcation... And then suddenly the hair stops you, you probably need to at least be checked out because there's a lack of blood flow.Yeah. So what ends up happening is is that the blood flows to go from the heart all the way to the toes. And so the micro vasculature starts decreasing before the macro vasculature meaning you're going to sacrifice the skin, blood flow to protect the muscles and the joints and the cartilage and all that other stuff. So that's how many like I looked around one day and I was like, Oh my god, I truly believe that almost everybody here has coronary artery disease slash PAD. Now we're looking at this going they all need to be on a polyphenol..Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's really, really interesting. And that's crazy. So yeah, so these these polyphenols definitely will help naturally benefit and produce nitric oxide so that you can increase your blood flow. And if you're already compromised help your body out.Do it never even thought about the whole mitochondria thing.Now? Obviously I didn't either, because I just sat there and stared at you. I saidYeah. Now the question is they didn't get into why they're actually asking in the article at Northwestern. They're saying the etiology, or the the physiology of how this is accomplished has yet to be determined. But we know it increases nitric oxide. Yeah, we do. I'm going to get into some stuff here shortly where I'm going to tell you that it's all about the post biotics. All right It's nuts. So for the next so I'm going to that's, that's it. That's our that's our fun part of the podcast.Now, that is fun, though. Honestly, if you've got circulatory issues, at least, you know, there could be a natural solution that will at least help. Number one, give you some more time. Number two, give us an idea of what you can do to improve things for yourself.So I mean, if there's one reason to do this podcast, and I keep saying this every single time, but I'm getting I'm learning I'm getting better. We've got our little secret weapon that keeps sending me articles and I'm just like, Oh my gosh, this one ties to this this one ties to this. So this is going to be a review of short chain fatty acids and you're like, I don't own any of those. I'm gonna get off. No, you need to hear this. Basically if you're a mammal on the planet Earth, this is a really important podcast for you.If you can understand the words he's saying that is you... yeah. Unless you're a flat eartherYeah, well they probably still should take they still take polyphenols..Should I shouldn't take that back question discriminated against. Unfortunately, I just watched that Joe Rogan episode with the astronauts. I'm all about space right now.Oh, yeah. Well, it's funny just the other day I passed the flat earth mobile in Denton, Texas. Yeah, it's pretty fun. On the back it says the earth is flat and you pan down to is buffered it says and motionless, which I think is awesome. But whatever. Well, so let's get into short chain fatty acids post biotics. Let's, let's get into some some awesome science here and, and let people know why it's so important.Alright, so I mentioned the very beginning that this was sort of brought on because the viewer Don said, Well, what next and then I started going down this rabbit hole, then I started Heli. If you watch the episode where we do the fecal microbial transplant This is that mean that she's not an actress, she's desperate. Sure. And things are happening to her and they're happening fast and she is panicking. We had Pannez that is at risk for all these things that we're talking about, but it's super complex. Ultimately, it all comes down to the microbiome. Unfortunately, As Americans, we disrupt our own microbiome by our lifestyles, like eating crappy diets, taking antibiotics, lack of exercise, and probably poor sleep are the biggest deals. And this is going to result in a decrease in diversity. You're going to hear this term over and over and over again. People always talk about I'll just take probiotics and improve this. No, it's way more complex than this. We're going to get into it. But basically, you need a true diverse microbiome, to aid in your health. Researchers are now showing that neuro degenerative issues like dementia, Parkinson's, anything that affects your brain. And you know, Eric, we've talked about this a bunch that my goal as a physician right now is to figure out a way to stop dementia. Yep. Because we come on the show and we talk we talk about our kids or about our wives. We talked about stuff. Imagine if all of a sudden it's gone. What was your life, ultimately, your life becomes memories and those memories are what forms your personality and all these other things, and then they affect stuff. The thought of taking away my memory is, I mean, people people don't really think about how, how difficult dementia really is. I mean, it's it's a it's a hard one. I've had friends whose parents have faded that way? My wife's grandmother, I mean, we wonderful woman and went through just honestly her own living hell not being able to relate to the people that she felt like she knew around her. And just it's no good. No. And so if we can sit down, start piecing things together. Yeah. And not only the neurodegenerative things, but now researchers are starting to look at this. I mean, I just gave that article about the American Heart Association looking at a polyphenolic complex. That means that the traditional medical complex is starting to look at this stuff starting awesome Starting.Now there's evidence to show that heart disease, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, obesity, so if you're like, Oh, I don't know anybody with dementia. But do you know anybody with obesity, ever had a heart attack? You have a family history of anybody with diabetes? Any all that stuff is the real question is how and why? Yep. Why didn't Heli develop all these autoimmune issues after fecal microbial transplant? My theory I'm not I'm not a smart enough to be a flat earther that has cool bumper stickers like that. But so my theory is just looking at all this and looking at my patients. I'm not a I'm not a PhD bench researcher, but this is what the world needs is bench researchers coming up with stuff having animal models, clinicians out here, slugging it away, and weirdos getting on the air and talking about it yet try and figure it out. Yeah, bridge bridge the gap between traditional medicine and natural solutions. Alright, so my theory is that our microbes, our microbiome, the most important thing in your body that really helps regulate everything. Do we live for them? Do they live for us? We don't know. But it can be symbiotic. Meaning you can work together. They're fed by the food we eat specifically fibers and complex polysaccharides. polysaccharides are hard to digest starches, right? So through various mechanisms their, these bacteria break them down, they eat it. And then their waste products or basically what they leave over. We use .. So their compost is our fuel, right? It's a fantastic thing that we've never really thought of before..Their compost is our fuel. That's that's, yeah, it's nice.Yeah, so that's what we're now calling post bioticsRight? And it's not a bad thing at all because what they produce in general post biotics, you can describe post biotics by their composition, like is it a fat, short chain fatty acid? Is it a complex molecule that we don't really know very much about it? Or does it do like your religion is one of them, your religion that creates the Mito con the mytophogy, right affects old and sick mitochondria.And if you're keeping up that's also known as the anti aging post bioticProduced by bacteria that breaks down these things a post biotic or the physiologic function that it causes. So we know that there's certain things about to reproduce that we haven't been able to label yet. There's been 800 post biotics, and they create all kinds of different diseases Again, 800 post bioticsThat scientists have at least discovered Right. And it's just to be fair, it's much like the ocean, there's just because we have 800.. I don't even think we're near the end. I mean, there's lots to figure out and the combinations thereof anyway, I don't want to sidetrackNo, totally sidetracked the whole time. In fact, your sole job, because I'm like, when I mean that we discovered a topic here that I was like going, Oh, my gosh, we're, we're piecing things together. So when I start going down a rabbit hole too much, interrupt immediately and go, you don't you're not making any senseSure.Just stop and start me over here. So this all started because of the fecal microbial transplant thing with Heli. And then Don says I'm more confused so that I started looking into it. And now I started realizing that these post biotics there's 800 of them, but let's Focus on one that we've done some serious research on, which is short chain fatty acids..Okay? Now short chain fatty acids are fatty acids that are really small. They're like fewer than six carbon atoms, meaning that it's very tiny. And they're made by our bacteria in our colon from undigestible, or from indigestible foods like fibers. And I always thought of them as fuel for the colon. That's how I was taught during my fellowship and residency in medical school, that they're, they're local. But the reality is it goes way beyond that, way, way, way beyond that. So these short chain fatty acids do include in to the geeky part, names like butyrate, acetate, propionate, and lactate, don't get hung up on the names, but in particular, butyrate is one that everybody talks about..Right? It's super important for gut health, and it's also known to help with gut motility corrects leaky gut, it works locally to heal the lining of the colon. But we now know that the other short chain fatty acids can actually be absorbed systemically as well. And we have not been paying attention to them. And they can influence the body in all different kinds of ways, depending on the host genes..Right?So you and I may react differently to these short chain fatty acids, depending on your genes. That's the epi genetic phenomena, right? That's how come Heli he developed all these issues when her donor did not have the issues. So that's a separate rabbit hole. But what I want to talk about is butyrate is so important that most nutritionists and scientists study this molecule that is its own episode. Okay. I'm going to talk about the black sheep of short chain fatty acids..Which ones at that? Oh, everything else but butyrate it okay. So if butyrate just know it's good, and you want butyrate? Yep. Now we're going to go into everything else and I want to explain how my patients like Pannez may have developed her problem, and we're going to bring it all the way back to short chain fatty acids like acetate and lactate and talk about that. So, the rest of this is I'm going to show you the model that I've never been able to explain up until right now. Okay. For instance, every time somebody sees me with SIBO small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, or irritable bowel syndrome, IBS, or inflammatory bowel disease, IBD, Crohn's colitis, I like to ask them a question. I'm like, Do you ever feel like you're in a brain fog? Do you ever have anxiety? Has your mood changed? You have sleep disturbance? The first thing I do is go right from the gut to the brainRight? And I asked because I've seen this correlation. And I've always said, Well, it's because of the inflammatory process. haven't really gone that deep into it because all the articles I was reading about that all showed that a inflamed gut can lead to an inflamed brain. Now let's dive a little bit deeper and find different reasons how these post biotics actually lead to that. OkaySo if you're somebody that suffers from anxiety, it may have nothing to do with your brain. It may all start in your gut. And this is really wild. So step one, something happens.OkayYou get back bacterial overgrowth, SIBO you have an infection, eat a crappy diet. This leads to leaky gut, or intestinal permeability. Now, new research is showing that this will actually once you develop intestinal permeability, it actually allows acetate and lactate to get absorbed more into the bloodstream. That's not really what we want is it. It's not what we want. So once it gets absorbed into the bloodstream, these short chain fatty acids have this incredible mechanism to cross the blood brain barrier through its own transport molecule. So in the past, we've always talked about leaky gut leaky brain. This actually has its own transport, it doesn't even have to be a leaky brain, it's got a little bridge that these guys ride.So, in short, if I think this can be beneficial if you have a transport mechanism at the cellular level, basically, that just means that there's a little protein that's allowing passage or exchange of something to be taken from one side to the other. And I think that what you're explaining here is, we don't really want these molecules crossing over to the brain, but now that they are rapidly being absorbed through the gut, that they're more abundant in the brain, and that's not really what we're after.So these guys finally get out of the gut. They got a VIP card. Yeah, they're like, whoo, VIP card front of the line, let me know the brain. So that's what's really fascinating. So acetate and lactate, once it gets in the brain. They can actually directly influence neurons. causing a series of effects. said again, it's a direct neuro transmitter. Nobody's ever said this that I've learned this in neurology..Yea me either. So lactate and acetate can cause a direct influence on the neurons by stimulating sympathetic nervous activity. What that means is..Excitability.. They turn on the fight or flight.Yeah, interesting. Well, guess what? Yes.So this can cause a rise in blood pressure, heart rate and the opposite effect in the gut. When you have a sympathetic effect in the brain. You have a parasympathetic effect in the gut. What I mean by that is, I always tell my patients, the more because they're like, oh, man, I've been so stressed. I built constipation. Like it's a physiologic phenomenon when we were evolving. If you're being chased by a saber toothed tiger, you don't want to have sex or take a poop. Right as you're getting giddy. Yeah. So you have to think fast and run. Yeah, it's really funny. So like, I'm always thinking about that, like from sex. To actually have an erection. You have to have a para sympathetic response. wants to have an orgasm you need a sympathetic response and to actually have a bowel movement you need a parasympathetic. So parasympathetic is the opposite side of the fight or flight..Right. So now we've got this thing. I'm like, Oh my gosh, wait a minute. So, when you have SIBO, I'm just going to keep using the SIBO patient because, for the first time, I could say, oh, Heli on the interview, kept saying, I just am so anxious and just in and remember, I took a two hour interview to 15 minutes. I really kind of had to get her back focused the whole time. She was just like, I'm just wired and not wired like Robb Wolf. Alright, so then this becomes this really wild, this sympathetic effect causes a rise in the blood pressure, heart rate, and then the opposite effect, where then the motility gets messed up leading to more leaky gut. It becomes a vicious cycle. Yeah. So then while all this is going on, more inflammation happens. In the gut, the leaky gut then turns on the inflammatory cascade. So then that becomes our normal talk. That's I've given lectures on this part where I can show interleukin 12 and other 23. You know, cytokines blah, blah, blah, histamine..These are all inflammatory markers. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, what if the very, very, very, very beginning of it is too much lactate acetate getting into the brain that then tells the brain to turn on the gut, or to turn down the gut to create more inflammation. And now you've got this process going on. So we've talked about this for SIBO in years, but now I'm saying oh, my gosh, we gotta fix the post biotic situation before we can fix everything else. Yeah. So now you may be thinking, Okay, this is crazy. I don't have you know, it's, it's interesting. I don't have anxiety, I dont have depression, I don't have bloating, I don't have gut issues. I'm going to turn this off dope because Oh my goodness. Now we're going to look at some different things that these post biotics are actually linked to certain diseases..Okay. And now we're going to get outside of the gut. And I'm going to give you mechanisms about how these things affect or can create diabetes, blood pressure, dementia, all kinds of stuff. Before we jump too far ahead. Can you give us an idea on what type of foods are used by these bacteria to create the post biotics that we don't want?..To create the post box that we don't want? That's that is a great question. What we do know more is that the foods that produced the post biotics that we like are fibers, and digestible starches are resistant starches, things like that, right? overnight oats, you know, whatever type of fibers, polyphenols, the skins of vegetables and fruits. What we do know is that when you eat a diet high in processed foods.. you end up creating more bacteria that produce more lactate and acetate.They're the things that I was kind of hinting at. And I kind of cheated a little bit but the things I was kind of hinting at were unrefined, our refined sugars. Yeah. And things like oils that we're not really supposed to consume like high, high pressed vegetable oils and different things like that they, they believe that those may be the the foods that allow the bacteria to produce the postbox that we don't want preservatives, foods that shouldn't be sitting on a shelf for months at a time and suddenly they're just fresh because they're in a package. Those may they don't know this for certain, but they think that those may be the kinds of foods that would lead to a lot of this lactate and acetate.And nobody's talking about the post biotics doing this. And spoiler alert, I'm going to get into it a little bit. But basically, once you start producing more of it, you're it sends signals to those bacteria that are like we're winning..let's keep doing more. Yeah. So they end up propagating more or they end up colonizing more. whatever word you Want to use? Then you end up with more of that. And then they're sending brain signals to eat more of that. And that's that whole thing where now you're out there wondering why you're cracking open a bag of Oreos? Well think about it if if I post bodek is influencing the way that my brain thinks she would have to draw the assumption that if I'm suddenly addicted to sugar, and I'm always craving sugar, whereas maybe I didn't before but now everyone my friends would know me as someone who just really likes sugar all the time. That could just be the the lack of that post biotic influencing the brain who's now told me Oh, you need to quickly go get this fix to make you feel this way.Oh, I'm so glad you went with sugar on this one. Nice. Let's talk about diabetes. Okay. All right. So I found an article that basically looked at diabetes in a rat model. This research showed that diabetic mice fed a sad diet, a standard American diet, and this diet which is high sugar, high fat, high fats not bad, right? High. I think high sugar is always bad, right? You combine the two and it's a, it's horrible. Basically, they fed us they fed these diabetic mice a sad diet, and they showed immediately that the acetate level jumped right up. This rising acetate caused an acute rising glucose leading to the pancreas to secrete excess of insulin Yeah, then it should have and then this rise in insulin led to a huge rise in a hormone called ghrelin. Ghrelin..Hungry. Yeah. Can you go ahead and explain to everybody what ghrelin is. So,Ghrelin is the the mechanism by which your your gut, your GI tract tells you that you're hungry, and you're going to want to go out and eat. And you really want leptin to kick in and whenever you've not, or when you whenever you don't need to go out and get hungry, basically. I mean, so whenever you see the commercials for what was The name of that lipitor or whatever it was, it was making people feel like they were. They were full. They were they were basically trying to mimic leptin. Really?Yeah, to make you feel full. Never saw. Not only works, butBe around. But regardless, grillin is the opposite. Ghrelin is the one that drives you to go and seek food to go get nourishment. But it's funny because they started to think and you could be, you could correct me on this, but ghrelin it certain instances, like for the sugar lack, that if you get low on sugar, then suddenly your brain is now programmed. Well, we'll raise ghrelin whenever our sugar load gets low, right? Yeah. So what was so cool is that these guys looked at, usually somebody will look at one thing, but they're like, okay, our theory is this, we're going to look at the post biotic acetate and see what its effect does. And those that have higher acetate levels are showing higher insulin, higher ghrelin levels. And so then those mice became voracious. They want to eat more than what did they do? They produced more and their desire to eat the crappy sugary type stuff because the ghrelin is saying get the cheapest, easiest calories. Yeah led to higher acid..acetate. Yeah, wait. Just Just a side note. This is also the argument that a lot of dietitians have on why it's important to have what they call high density foods. So a refined sugar is not a high density food at all. It's short lived in terms of the satisfaction, and you're going to always want to keep consuming whereas if you eat the foods that you should eat, you the fibers and the polyphenols, etc, you you fill up and it leaves lots of work for the bacteria to produce the types of post biotics that you want. 100% so I have all these diabetic patients that struggle to lose weight, but really, it could come down to the bacteria and the bacteria that are producing acetate. I mean, maybe the future treatment. I mean, American Heart Association just got done doing this studying peripheral vascular disease. Maybe the encrinologist will start looking at changing the bacteria to help with diabetes instead of just throwing drugs at people. because quite honestly, once you get put on insulin that it's it's erases your ghrelin everybody I talked to they're just like, man, I take an insulin shot. Bodybuilders take insulin so they can eat more and their growth hormone goes up.Yeah, kids don't do that. That's not the reason.So diabetes, I don't care about diabetes. Nobody. My family has diabetes. It is what it is. That's what somebody out there saying, Man, this guy keeps talking about anxiety. SIBO IBS had an effect me or anybody in my family. All right, I'm telling you that. Now let's talk about blood pressure. The silent killer.Definitely How many? Honestly, side note how many times do we have patients come through every day? We have a full load. I would say probably 20% of those on a full load day. We probably have to inform them about a blood pressure issue right or wrong?Oh, we've seen more than 100 million people in our clinic. Yeah. Wrong. That's that's wrong. That's 100 million people have high blood pressure in the United States. Okay. Yeah, we seen 100 million feels like 100 million.Yeah, I didn't know what that number was going. That sounded like an awful lot. But, but we do, but we do have people who for the first time ever, it they say feel fine, no meds. And then suddenly we look at their blood pressure, and it's 170 over 98. So not normal. And I've been pre hypertensive for a long time. I've changed my diet. And you know, I'm knocking right on 49 right now. So I'm pushing 50 here, and my blood pressure is better. It continues to get better as I focus on my dietRight? And I've always like, Man, that just doesn't make any sense. Why would because, you know, I, you know, I'll sit there and I'll fly off the rails and cheat and pizza and stuff. Now we're going to get into some of this stuff. So the American Heart Association says it over 103 million US adults have high blood pressure.That's a lot.I still think that there's more people that they don't even realize.100% because there's only what 300 I'm guessing here. 340 million people in the US something like that.Yeah. And so high blood pressure leads to stroke, blah, blah, blah, blah, everything else, you know, it's that whole syndrome x thing. Yeah. So Oh, by the way, you know who does a really good job of explaining the whole syndrome x, the ne ne coined the phrase, it is Rob Wolf. Diabesity.DiabesityDiabesity. In his book, The Paleo solution, yeah, he actually describes this whole process of what I learned a syndrome x he's calling diabesity. And how once you get into this pathway, what I'm going to say is maybe this pathway, this shift is now we have a mechanism that these post biotics are actually creating this whole diabesity issue..Wow.. they could be and this would be obviously a step in the right direction. So do remember the whole thing that I told you about the sympathetic neuron activity so acetate and lactate get in there, their little free pass VIP card. Yeah, and then actually poke on the nerves chair and they turn on the sympathetic system. Well, researchers showed that young pre hypertensive rats exhibited leaky gut protein expression. They were pre hypertensive, and they were looking specifically at leaky gut. I don't know if it was zonulin or whatever they were looking for. But they found it before they were hypertensive. Starts in the gut..Definitely Crazy. Now, the more signs of leaky gut, the more sympathetic output these rats showed, increasing the permeability led to increased brain permeability. And they showed that acetate and lactate stimulated an area of the brain called the hypothalamus,Very important master glandMaster gland super, super crucial thing. Now, this actually increased the sympathetic signals leading from the hypothalamus down and blood pressure started to rise accordingly, as asked lactate levels went upThat's a no one's really built that, that that pathway. I've never seen anybody do that.It's, I mean, I read this and I was like, What? How are we not describing a treatment for high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity and thinking more about the our microbiome than just throwing? I mean, how many of my patients have six, seven? I mean, you take a beta blocker, what are the side effects of that fatigue, depression, erectile dysfunction, then you take calcium channel blocker, and you've got cough, and you've got ankle edema, and we're throwing this stuff, and all of a sudden, we've got rats where we can show if we decrease this. More importantly, they show that the sympathetic shift, altered the microbiome, which led to a less diverse microbiome and increase in lactate and acetate producing bacteria. One more time it got into the brain, the brain sends signals to the body. That is you're in fight or flight. Yeah. And because and have, you can logically try and work your way around this. But basically those same signals, tell more of those bacteria just like you talked about with the sugar..RightNow more of the bacteria are being signaled to grow. And now you've got a cascade of high blood pressure type stuff. Unfortunately, it sounds like what what we're doing is building a friendly utopia for the bacteria that we don't want, right? And then they're basically telling your brain to go and get some more the food that will allow them to build more of the byproducts or the post biotics that you don't need that are going to make your problem worse. And just a side note, so overstimulation of the sympathetic nervous system. It's really funny how we're talking about diabetes, we're talking about high blood pressure, we're talking about insomnia, we're talking about anxiety, all of those things are just simply going to compound and make the same situation worse, the diabetes gets a little bit more out of control and the insulin goes up and the ghrelin goes up. I'm gonna keep eating. And by the time I keep eating and I post biotics make my anxiety level go up and I can't sleep, that's only going to perpetuate more of the same and you can only I would assume, correct that by getting the right bacteria to eat the right. the right food, so that you have the right post biotics, right? That's exactly it. Just that easy Eric. That's all you got to do. All right, well I guess thats it..Mic drop spoiler.But it just it's it's scary, though, that that quickly, you can escalate while you actually have no idea that it's happening to you. You just don't know. You're not in control. No you're not.So I mean, here we have this deal with a rise in lactic acid acts like a positive feedback loop to create its own little lactic acid factory.It's self serving. It's not in here for youNo, those bacteria, everybody We talk about an ego centric society and everything. Well, as it turns out, I'm learning more and more that bacteria are truly egocentric. AlsoYou gotta keep them in check. You know, C. diff would love to just run rampant and do this. See that being a bacteria that when you wipe out other bacteria due to antibiotics, you end up with horrible diarrhea. That's something we deal with all the time. They just be they have this they throw this big party and make you really sick.. so the bacteria themselves, they have a self serving need to keep growing. They're not looking around going. I need more diversity here. Everybody wants to win. And when you have lactate producing bacteria they want to win. That goes back to the whole Satish Rao article where he gave SIBO patients probiotics, and they produce more lactate. He checked the lactic acid levels and those people that had higher lactic acid levels had higher depression and anxiety.Damn, that's not good. That's not what you're after. So what we're looking at here is microbial dysbiosis micro dysbiosis is the term that the natural path to use everywhere. And really what that means is a lack of diversity is not dysbiosis. It just means that there's an imbalance in your microbiome, you have too much of something and not enough of another. They showed with rats that those rats with a lack of diversity tended to have higher levels of the lactate and acetate. And, again, not the post biotics the short chain fatty acids that we want. So understanding that knowledge, these researchers started to look at stroke and dementia. And getting back to the brain. Yeah, so using that model, they were able to show that acid and lactate can cross the blood brain barrier, which we've already discussed. Then these guys focused on one unique thing I already discussed how they tap on the neurons and do this. Well. Something else that that these post biotics short chain fatty acids do is that they actually lope they actually dropped the local Ph. So this local drop in pH caused inflammation At the neuron level, this inflammation led to increase in certain markers of inflammation like human necrosis factor, and it causes cell death.So just in layman's terms, why that matters is if you drop the pH and basically you are creating a more acidic environment. And just a side play, which we haven't even mentioned yet that actually creates more work for your respiratory system to basically correct that. And by you know, I'm saying because you have to blow off the acid your blood, but your blood buffering system is going to have to produce more bicarbonate just to basically take care of the neurons that are now in a more acidic environment. This is exactly why whenever you're an athlete running around, you breathe heavier, right? Because the acid formed by the activity throughout all your muscles is dumping into the bloodstream so that you can breathe out co2, well, if you're not running around, you don't really want to be dropping your pH systemically. So that's That's a big No, no, that's not what we're after.So once you have a cell die, that leads to oxidative stress... which ultimately leads to inflammation. Those rats develop dementia. So chronic inflammation..Chronic inflammation. So we've always talked about chronic inflammation. This is first domino effect. Yeah. The first domino effect is this we're getting into a cellular level. They even took normal tensive rats, so rats with normal blood pressure, and they gave a microbial transplant fecal microbial transplants on mice that were genetically prone to have high blood pressure and strokes, okay. And the rats who received the transplant developed high blood pressure and had strokes. So watch the episode where we talk about Heli. Like once I'm getting into this, I'm like, why would we do fecal transplants without knowing all of this? So let's break that down real quick. Basically, what you're saying if I understand correctly They took the bacteria that was somewhere else and put it in another rats colon. And they were able to replicate that these bacteria when fed with the wrong stuff being the wrong count of bacteria wrong diversity count, right? They gave off post biotics that lead to more damage to the rat itself.So the so the rats that they euthanize when they saw that they had strokes or that they had dementia, they show that they had much higher levels of acetate and lactate, the rats that lived surprising, not surprisingly, at all, actually, now after looking at this, right, the ones that did not develop high blood pressure or have a stroke had higher levels of all short chain fatty acids, but they had higher levels of butyrate overlapped. So they had but they had they had the right concentration. Right?They had the right concentration. It's not that lactate and acetate should never be produced. It's that they're they're being overproduced at the expense of what's healthy for your body.And so one other thing one other brain disease that I want to get at and then we're actually done with these diseases. But I hope you're seeing that we have diseases that are specifically related to this. Yeah. So can you smell me and tell me if I Parkinson's? Hang on a second?That is not something I can detect.But somebody can because you sent me that article.I did. Yeah. Tell me about that.Well, there is apparently a woman who has a, I can't remember what the study is you kind of put me on spot here. But basically, she was able to show all but less than 3% of the people she was able to identify disease states in them and one of them was parkins by a smell or an odor they put off which I found fascinating. She was able to accurately diagnose people by the the odor or the the pheromones or whatever it was that she detected. And then of course, you did a little bit deeper. They talk a little bit about why so..Yeah, so as it turns out, so this woman, her husband, died of Parkinson's, and when she was in support groups, she remembers her husband smell started to change like a decade before. Then he started developing symptoms.Oh, you know what, I'm sorry, quick shout out my youngest son Mac. He's the one who showed me an article did it Really? .... Cool. So it's, I looked at the they believe they've discovered what molecule she's actually smelling through mass spec. But that's kind of irrelevant, because what's happening is is now I'm linking that to this. Because evidence is now showing that dementia and Parkinson's begins 10 to 20 years before the brain is actually affected.And if I remember correctly, further down the article didn't they say they were experimenting with her to try to find alzheimers? Correct, correct. Yeah. So everybody's like, Oh, this woman's got this magic skill. What is she's smelling? Yeah. Acetone when I go into ketosis.. I have acetone coming out of my breath. Right Haven't you you've actually smell different what you're breaking down. It's ketoacidosis Severe diabetic Or severe diabeticsfruity acetone, head on.They have the fruity acetone..So we definitely put off different smells and different, you know, chemicals builder. So this is interesting Parkinson's, these diseases have build up. So Parkinson's specifically has a buildup of proteins that are actually seen in the gut first. So when they look at the proteins that create the Parkinson's disease, right now, researchers are looking in the gut, and they're finding that protein buildup in the gut before it builds up in the brain.And just so you all know that this is not made up pseudoscience, just a completely separate example, GI  bleeds, going through a hospital, you can almost always tell a patient that's dealing with a GI bleed simply because I mean that that smell is unmistakable right?Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that I think other third world doctors rely on their senses visual smell.. to really try and diagnose a patient.. And they get a little bit more deep in it kind of thing.. So that you know, there's the when I did gynecology, you did what was called With test, which is the pap smear when you try and smell a fishy odor and things like that, so we don't do that much anymore because you said it to a lab, but..Yeah, hard to do.So these, these diseases Parkinson's could actually develop early on. Now what's really interesting is that Parkinson's could be related to the Vegas nerve.Parasympathetic.Causing the inflammatory buildup of these proteins. Interesting. So rats given a fecal microbial transplant from a Parkinson's rat immediately showed an increase in acetate levels. Then when they followed these rats, they slowly developed motor function problems. In humans, we now realize that those people with Parkinson's have a dysbiosis I'll say it one more time. Now we're starting to look at all these chronic diseases and researchers are going let's look at their microbiome. Almost all Parkinson's people have a dysbiosis Wow. So people would say, Oh, well, if you have Parkinson's, you're sick. You have a dysbiosis. I'm saying no, the dysbiosis caused the Parkinson's.. we have to prevent that. Start there. So to answer in a very long winded, complex way to answer Don's question, shoot, it's so complicated. But I think we are now seeing a starting point. I think that if you keep your microbiome diverse, plenty of bacteria that can produce butyrate and other short chain fatty acids, and in my opinion, now thinking about it, that fecal transplant, getting a fecal transplant may carry more risk than we ever thought looking at these animal models. So Don's question was, Well, what do we do? Is fecal transplant good or bad and only in that we know for certain as if you have a complex microbiome, a diverse microbiome, and you feed it, what it needs, then you're going to produce the appropriate amount of post biotics, which will keep you healthy.Yeah, well, that makes that certainly makes the most sense. And to your point where you kept resetting for people who may not have known someone who has high blood pressure, dementia, diabetes, Parkinson's, anxiety, insomnia, if you exist, where you don't know anyone else like that, thank you for making this podcast, the only thing that you do to connect with other humans, because that's impossible.They're living in this utopia.It's just impossible not to know someone who's at least affected by something like that. And so I mean, it's kind of crazy to think that it all comes down or it could possibly all come down to the bacteria that we have naturally inside just simply need to be fed the right things at the right times and in the right amounts. You can make The case of I don't want to look obese I said together so not don't eat fast food. Well, the truth is, you look, you have those kind of manifestations where people aren't happy and stuff like that, because that's not the food you should be eating all the time. You've got to take care of yourself. Polyphenols is an easy way to get started.100% So, the now I'm gonna have to do a whole episode on butyrate because I went down Well, we should though.I started go down butor and then I found all these great articles. There's articles looking at different polyphenol supplements in the butyrate elevation that they are. Watch the plant based episode with Dr. Juan. Yeah, because he gave me his Neo greens as a sample and we showed it there. I looked at it. If he thought about this, then he's I mean, he's a super wicked smart guy in there. It's he's got probiotics, fermented, fermented vegetables, probiotics, with polyphenols in there, which means that possibly, spoiler alert, again, is just it's too much. But there's, there's there's people out there that are combining polyphenols and probiotics to produce these short chain fatty acids, right and ratios that they want. And maybe not fully understanding why.Not understanding why not understand if it gets absorbed, not understanding if it's a natural way to do it, I don't know. But it's at least a step in the right direction.I'll even reverse that. The answer oftentimes, when people only add, let's just say they're only adding butyrate that's probably not the answer either. You still need the healthy ratios of butyrate along with acetate and propriate. And, and lactate, it would be odd to only produce butyrate because that will probably yield something else that nature has a great way of having Governor's on certain systems, right. So I would imagine that there's probably going to be a healthy balance a healthy ratio, which is why you want the bio diversity in your gut.I'm sure 40 years ago, Dr. Ian Quigley, the godfather of probiotic sat there with a petri dish and went his hair stood up. And he went, Oh my gosh, this, this live bacteria is doing amazing things in the gut. And then 40 years later, we're still trying to figure out how to get probiotics to people. Because in a petri dish, it does amazing things in the human body, giving one strain and now we're up to whatever who knows. 50 strains of 50 billion units. Is it really doing anything? We don't know? Is it even getting there?Is it getting there? We don't know. And this could be the exact same thing. So the knee jerk reaction would be, oh, I'll just take more beer right and then I started looking at different there's a ton of different butyrate supplements much like sulfurophane where a lot of people are trying to you know, jump on the marketing bandwagon of broccoli sprouts... And so there's very few of those that are actually viable. Yeah, now now we're which broccoli is one. That's what I like to recommend Brock elite. But I am so excited because I feel like because of this podcast, because Atrantil to because of what we're learning and the scientists that I'm meeting, it's all starting to come together and truly I feel like we are changing the health landscape of anybody who purchases Atrantil to and our whole separate episode of kicked him out neuroinflammation acetate touching this and that don't even get me started on how the fatty acids in a full spectrum hemp CBD productSureCross the blood brain barrier and start mitigating some of thatYeahI mean if I if I had Elon Musk money and I could just sit there and look at different things. I mean, like, I want to know what what this CBD product does on acetate levels in the brain. YeahAnd just start asking questions like that. Each one of these studies was somebody who had a question, and it just happened to be that they were looking at short chain fatty acids, the effect and the effect it had systemically and props to these people to start doing that because that's hard work. So in short what should someone do? Who hears, okay, I need to have great bio diversity. I want to change the way that I'm approaching stuff. I want to be able to feed my new bio diverse microbiome correctly. Dr. Brown? Where would I start? Well, just I'll tell you and I don't ever tell people to do things I don't do Sure. So and I don't ever tell people to stop things that I still do. So be careful what you ask. Number one, we need to increase the diversity of the microbiome. The best way to do that is to increase your fiber. So the fiber that means soluble and insoluble fiber, two different kinds of fiber one soluble mixes in water that's like Metamucil insoluble, it's like the skin of vegetables. What we are now realizing is that skin of vegetables has this other beautiful molecule called polyphenols at what makes vegetables colorful. So I try to take in a certain amount of fiber I try and I've now because I read this. I went to Carla and I went to Whole Foods and I got some steel cut organic oats. And now I'm just soaking them in the fridge. So now I have cold oats. And the reason why is oats are a resistant starch. If you cook them and make oatmeal, the way we do it, you make it more easy to digest by making a resistant starch. I'm going to increase the type of bacteria that produce more butyrate. WowYeah. So now since I've done the research on this, I wake up and I just take a couple spoons of these oats that are just soaking overnight. And now when I tell people that watch Dr. oz and stuff, they're like, yeah, overnight oats. Where were you in 88 when Oz talking about whatever he started. Like really, people were talking about that they didn't know why they were talking about now. That's the kicker. So one of the problems that I have is that if you tell me to do something, I need a mechanism of action. SureIf I can explain the mechanism Then it works for me. Now I'd say that I would say that I'm open to ideas also, but I don't want to change this because you say it's great. Exactly.Just tell me why. Yeah, tell me why. So, increase your fiber, increase your resistant starches. You can do the resistant starches a lot of different ways. green bananas or plantations. Lloyd is Puerto Rican. So we do a lot of plantation nice. So that's a that's a paleo friendly, definite starch.Shout out to Bubbas sells. green bananas. That's what makes Oh, yeah, they are well designed by a guy who had Crohn's disease. Right. You talked to him? Yeah, it's so Bubbas Fine Foods, you can check them out. So if you're looking for a safe snack, there you go.And then now I've got all these articles words, people are actually starting to look at that the American Heart Association at the beginning of the show, I talked about how they're using polyphenols to help with peripheral peripheral vascular disease. I know that one of the best ways to create post biotics and I wasn't even thinking short chain fatty acids. I was thinking more along urolithin and these complex molecules that these other scientists talk about, there was an article that actually showed a molecule similar to Atrantil had an increase in butyrate, a whole separate show, because that's going to be a, that'll have to be a two hour show about how to increase your butyrate levelsDefinitely. But the beauty is, it isn't like you're just increasing butyrate levels you're going to eat, you're going to increase the diversity of the microbiome and allow it to happen. And then ultimately, polyphenols, fibers, resistant starches, and I'm going to now go down the pathway of why so many of my patients feel better on CBD. I think there's something to do with these short chain fatty acids. I just did. I have not gone there yet, but we've got our secret weapon and she'll find something out there.So ladies and gentlemen, if you want to start to work on making your gut a little bit more diverse and healthy, go ahead and get your soluble insoluble fibers supplement with good trustworthy polyphenols. There's nothing wrong with controlling inflammation systemically with a good CBD a good diverse whole foods diet that's really coming down to and I'm about to try your idea for overnight soaking oats I've never done that beforeI just started doing it. And if you don't have, like if you're lacking diabetes, you don't have enough high blood pressure. You're not obese enough, then ignore this whole podcast. Yeah, do whatever you want. That's awesome. That sounds great. What lots of knowledge day on the show. Thank you all so much for watching and listening, Be certain to like and share if you want to go back and check out the episodes with Heli, with Pannez, or Dr. Doug won. Just go back to gut check project.com You can find all of our episodes cataloged on there on the page this we're improving it all the time, be sure and sign up for the newsletter. Starting tomorrow, everybody who is in the KBMD health universe will be reminded of the latest published show. So if you ever get to catch up with the shows, just sign up, you'll be notified each week, every new episodes, we release it Go to KBMDhealth.com. Right. And one of the things that I get that I see the most common is rectal bleeding. And we went through the trouble putting together a little rectal bleeding free book that So download that you get a free book. And then we can keep you updated to these shows. One of the things if you can like and share this, the more this grows, the more that we get access to scientists, the more that I can take deep dives into stuff like this. If you're still listening, thank you. This is like that person that actually reads the whole I saw some some Reddit deal with some woman got $10,000 because there was like a 10 page like one of those weird contracts for like a nothing that you're supposed to sign like, like an iTunes agreement or something. Yeah. And there was a little tiny fine print in the bottom. If you're the type of person that's reading this fine print and you send us an email and you're the first person to do it will send you $10,000 they send it $10,000 so if you're actually still listening after all that nerdy stuff that I just talked about, we can't send any money..Be the first one in the subject line to write the word butyrate spelled correctly and you will get a free altran to bottle and CBD of your choice.Butyrate so the first person to send in an email to.. no they have to download the book.Yeah download download the book. Yeah, they have to download the book title the book and then reply with a type butyrate Yeah, type butyrate just spell it correctly. Look it up and send it to us. It'd be awesome. You be the first one you get a free Dr. Brown's signature package. Let us know if you want sentiment or naturalDoes that mean I sign the box of Atrantil that the signature package So much extra stuff you want to do its not going to work out? 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Find your voice - Episode 6 - Stay strong by Hezron Brown #6Tagline: "The impact I was making & seeing was unreal. To see their face and actually light up and think Hope!"Find your voice - Episode 6Hezron Brown, has been in the papers for his incredible story. As a child he was tragically burned in hot water which has left him scarred for life. His life then continued to spiral into a life of drugs and crime.Somewhere along his journey however the idea of belonging and hope kicked in. Hezron self belief, which he accustoms his now success too is a key factor in him finding his true purpose. Hezron is now inspiring the youth who need to hear the message and realise that there is hope for them irrespective of the cards they have been dealt as kids.There is more to a life of death or jail.There are more opportunities if we remain commited to succeed rather than just having a slight interest.It's a remarkable story of seeing some change, something I was always skeptical about.Thanks for listeningFree Audible book sign up:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audible-Membership/dp/B00OPA2XFG?actionCode=AMN30DFT1Bk06604291990WX&tag=are86-21Best book on Mindset by Carol Dweck: Mindset https://amzn.to/2QajMvZSupport the podcast: https://www.patreon.com/findyourvoiceLinks to me:Website: https://www.arendeu.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aren.deu/Twitter: https://twitter.com/arendeuFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/aren.singhLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aren-deu-65443a4b/Podcast: https://www.findyourvoicepodcast.com YouTube: http://tiny.cc/51lx6yLinks to guest:Twitter: https://twitter.com/Hezron_BrownInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hezronbrown/#JustDeuIt & #FindYourVoice[Music]welcome to an episode of find your voicea movement led by yours trulyAren do a guy who has overcomecrippling anxiety adversity anddifficulty like so many of you in lifewhose main goal now is to help youcombat your excuses take control of yourlife write your own story and mostimportantly find your voice so nowwithout further ado I welcome the hostof the show himself mr. Aren do what'sgoing on people thank you for tuning into another episode of find your voice myname is Aren and this is a classic thisis somebody who I actually reached outto I'd say about six months ago and itwas following a news article that I sinthat they were mentioned in now theywere mentioned in this news article forhow they turn their life around andthat's kind of the stories I really loveto hear but I need to make sure that thelisteners ie yourselves you're gonna getsomething tangible from this and you'regonna get some life lessons and let metell you you're certainly gonna get somelife lessons now maybe many of us can'trelate to the way that this person wasbrought up or some of the stuff that hedid and I think he's held his hands openhe said I've made a lot of stupidmistakes but more importantly than thatif you listen to his story there's a fewmoments and we touched on it halfwaythrough the interview where he wasgetting signs he was gettingopportunities he was getting peoplecoming into his life giving him thechance to potentially turn it around andI thought that was a really importantpart of the story because I think evenourselves in life we sometimes getopportunities but because we're soblinkered or a mindset isn't thinkingthe right way or our perception isn'tright we sometimes miss theseopportunities and we spoke a little bitabout self belief and confidence andjust having a vision and I think that'sso so important myself for example Ihave some crazy visions but what I'verealized is by having these andexpressing them to the world and beingaccountable I'm seeing moreopportunities come my way and I'm notsaying these opportunities weren't therepreviously butmy thoughts and my processes of how Iwould interpret things were differentI just wasn't taking advantage of him sofair play to this person he's done anabsolutely fantastic job he turned hislife around he was very close to youalmost having no life so I'm verygrateful that he made that step when hedid I'm very grateful that he also tooktime to share his story because he'sgoing places remember his name he willcertainly be I think a household namevery very soon simply because his storyis one that you can't replicate you'veeither lived it or you haven't and thisguy has lived it so without further adowe're gonna jump straight into thisinterview with hezron Brown ok people sothank you for tuning into the show todayand I am honored to have hezron Brownhere with me today so firstly I justwant to thank you for taking time outeven your day today buddy no problem howyou doing today I'm fine thank you verymuch how are you I'm very well thank youI believe you were working as well todayis that right no no well I wasn'tworking I was I was more kind ofconcentrating on myself okay building upmy self today yeah that's still kind ofworking I suppose okay fantasticum what I want to do is obviously I'vegiven an introductionprior to this show about your life and alittle bit about your story but I thinkit's important for the listeners toreally understand you and hear it morefrom yourself so if you wouldn't mind ifyou could just kind of give a wholebackstory go into as much detail as youwant and just really try and let theaudience and myself get to know hezronBrown yeah that's no problem at all sofor me all kind of started when I wasfive years old I he fell in a bath ofboiling hot water and burnt the upperright hand side of my body so my arm mychest and my stomach I actually had ajump run at that time and when I fell inthe water all of my skin had melted overmy jumper and when my mum came up sheripped my to rip my jumper off out ofpanic and because of that she ripped allmy skin off so all this skin that'sactually on the upper right hand side ofmy body is actually from my legs I hadvarious skin grafts I was in hospitalfor numerous mumps getting all thoseskin grafts to kind of correct correctobviously what happened oh well at thattime you know when I started going toprimary schoolkid's gonna understand why I looked theway I did and because that reason theystarted to call me names started tobully meso from there I I I do that's a reallybad anger problem it was something thatI couldn't control okay and I would justget angry at every single little thingand he got to the point where it wasjust literally out of control to andfrom school I was always fighting I wasfighting in school as well and I thinkfor me the reason why I developed thattemper was because I didn't want anybodyto call me names again I didn't want tofeel weakagain and I kind of said to myself I'mnever gonna let that happen to me againand because of that my rage and mytemper just kept getting worse and worseand worseWow even though it was affecting me atschool it was affecting me at home aswell and my relationship with my mum youknow my mom was a single parent I'm oneof five children so you know it wasdifficult for my mum to actually kind ofdeal with what I was bringing home rightand there was times when I was gettingso angry I was throwing my wardrobe downthe stairs punching holes in doorsbreaking windows you know like it wasgetting out of controla lot at the time my mum would have tocall the police because I was gettingthat enraged that she was scared for myown safety and she was probably scaredfor her own safety as well of course wasthis around did you say eleven years oldat this point yeah yeah when I was 11that's quite a young age isn't it to bedisplaying so much anger yeah is it isthis is what I mean like my temper wasjust yeah it was it was uncontrollableand he got to the point where I wouldliterally black out so I wouldn't evenknow what I would actually be doing orwhat I was doing until I actually cameback around and it's like the only way Icould come only way out and calm downwas if I punched something not someonejust something right I could just go andpunch a door or punch a wall or you knowpunch some glass and immediately mytemper would go immediatelyand so yeah it was just it was it was itwas quite bad it was quite bad so I saidlike my my home life wasn't that good ofmy mom and she kicked me out that timethere's one and I when I lived in one ofmy older sister's you know having totravel to school every single day fromTamworth because she lived in Tamworthand having to travel from Tamworth toworthington every single day I'm theboss in the morning yeah it was adifficult time but the relationship thatme and mum had was I would go homeshe'll kick me out I'll go back home shewould kick me out again that was thatwas always our relationship so a lot atthe time I knew kind of what was gonnahappen when I went back home I knew Iwas gonna get kicked out again butthat's where my home was yeah so Ialways wanted to go back so that wasgetting to the points where a monkeykicking me outI was sofa surfing I was going to I wasgoing to friends houses staying withthem they knew the situation that youknow I was in in knew that I had theseanger problems knew the kind ofrelationship that I had with my mom andyeah like when I was kind of goingthrough school school was trying to helpme to teach I'm trying to help me aswell for those that knew and you knowthey were trying to better me they weretrying to keep that temper out of methey were putting me through countsthrough counseling putting me throughanger management but nothing reallyworked nothing really worked and when Iwas 13 so my mom kicked me out again Iwent and lived with one of my friendsmm-hmm an amazing woman her name isDevon and she literally just took me offthe street I was homeless and I went toher house and actually went to her houseto actually see her son okay and afterspeaking to me for like a minute shecould see that something was wrong withme she could see that I was strugglingin some form of way and she invited meinside she gave me a she gave me a hotdrink and she said to me tell me what'sgoing on with you right nowso I did I told a lot situation I was inand like that she took me into her homeshe she literally made me part of thefamily every time when we was outshe saw someone that she knew she wouldtell him that I was her adopted son yeahit was yes she would she's an amazingwoman she's an amazing woman I livedwith her until I actually finishedschool can I just ask so you you findyou Vaughn and God bless her soul shesounds like a wonderful ladyand you said things were obviously shewas introducing you as part of thefamily you felt at home how did how wasyour anger at this particular time thendid you find that you were able tocontrol it or was it still still youwere still getting flares of anger Iactually wasn't getting angry when I waswith her I think it was just jus down tothe respect that I had I would never getangry with her but maybe if I was likestill go into school I was getting angrywhen I was a try but I was never gettingangry around her okay that's because howI seen it wasI can't disrespect this person thisperson has literally took me from offthe street into her own home and I hadjust this deep respect for her and herwhole family up until this day you knowI still see her I called her mom mychildren call her nan you know herbrothers and sisters I call them uncleauntie like I see her family as myfamily so that respect has never it'snever gone away never gone away so yeahshe took me in and kind of went throughschool life they're living at her housemy mom actually found out where I wasnow Yvonne that she lives around thecorner from my mom and it took her knowenough two years to actually come roundto the house to come and get me andYvonne gave me the choice she said wellyou can either go home or you can stayhere and continue to live the life thatyou're living but even though I wasthere and she took me in I always hadthis feeling that I needed to go homeand that that wasn't my home so I tookupon myself to go back home and livewith my mommm-hmm two weeks later she kicked me outagain and I was back on the street and Iwent and lived with my older sistersleeping on her floor one of my older ofher sisters and I was sleeping on herfloor she lived in a flatshe had two kids at that time my nephewand my niece and they kept see seeing mesleeping on the floor they kept comingin asking her you know why his unclehezron just sleeping on the floor mm-hmmand I think she got to the point whereshe just wanted to you know she justdidn't want them seeing that anymore andI to be fair I didn't want them seeingme in that in that position so she cameup to me and she said hezron there's aneighborhood office at the bottom of herflat so there was a neighbor laughs atthe bottom of her flat and she asked meto go in there and just tell him what mysituation was and see what they couldactually do for me so I went down thereand I I spoke to themI remember when I I stepped through thedoor I had six black bags three in eachhand full of clothes and I literallyjust collapsed on my knees when I when Istepped through the door and I justbroke down into tearsbecause I think it was that realizationof knowing that I actually had nothingand I had no one around me then wasactually truly supporting me and it'slike I kind of felt like I was a burdento to my family and I remember thiswoman came running up to me and she saidwhat's wrong what's wrong and I I toldher I said you know I haven't gotnowhere to go Liz there's no one aroundme that that can look after me and shesaid okay what there's no family orfriends I said no there's there'sthere's there's no one around just youit's just me and she sat me down in thechair and she said okay well I'm gonnatry and sort something out for you soshe got me a bed and breakfast I stayedin that bed-and-breakfast for about twomonths now I was I just finished schoolyeah so I finished my exams I never andthey were left with no we've no gradeslike none at all and at this point whenI was staying in that bed-and-breakfastnow through that time I was happy to sawsome money on my own food hmm all thethings that I needed to live on yeahabsolutely because because I was soyoung the so I went to the Jobcentre andthey they said to me are there'sactually there's actually they don'tdidn't know how they could help mebecause I was so young of course and ittook them quite a whilefor him to actually give me some moneyso I actually ended up going on toincome support okay and kind of theirdead back dated me but throughout thatwhole time I was trying to find ways tosupport myself and it was quite hardeven down to college educationno college wanted to accept me because Inever had no grades I actually wanted todo IT that was something that I waspassionate about at that time and theythey said to me because you haven't gotany grades there's there's no real waythat you can start an IT course becauseof the the level of entry that youneeded I eventually found a college thatwould accept me it was Matthew Boultoncollege and they were saying and theysaid to me okay cool like we can't putyou on an IT course straight away mm-hmmbut if you do this course in this coursethat you make up the grades that youneed to get in onto the IT course I saidokay like for me it was just anythinglike anything just something to occupymy mind something to take my mind offwhat I was going through at that timethe counts would have found me aaccommodation as well it found me atemporary but a nation in Hockley so Iwas like okay like you know things werekind of exciting to look back up jobcentered they put me on the incomesupport so I was starting to get moneyin I found education I've got my ownplace so at that time I thought thateverything was going great everythingwas going in the right in the right kindof order and when I was at collegethat's when things started to get a bitkind of like off-track right I will youknow skip lessons I was being in thecommon room all the time trying to hangout with friends I had met loads of newpeople that you know I didn't knowbefore and then that started toobviously play an impact on my educationhmm I finished out my first year it wasa two-year course I was on I've doneother media and photography and I'vecompleted my first year went ontoanother course with media photographywhich was a two-year long course and onthe first day I started I had anargument with my tutor over a can ofcoke and again I lost my tenwas there swearing I was punching thingsand the the head of the college wasactually walking down the path at thetime I was actually losing my temperworst timing ever the worst time in everand they phone security security cameupstairs got me and escorted me out ofthe college so at this point now I'vegot my own place money's coming in butI've got no education and I'm kind ofjust dusting around doing nothing andthen that's when things startedspiraling out of controlI started you know going to parties Istarted hanging around with people thatI shouldn't hang around with they spiedinfluencing me and even though I knewwhat I was doing was wrong like therewas no one really around me to say to mehezron stop doing that or hezron don'tdo that we'll show you a better way Isuppose well show me a better wayexactly yes that's exactly it showed mea better way hmmso I just continued to stay on the paththat I was on I started doing a lot offoolish things I was you know committingrobberies I was walking around withweapons I was I was doing a lot of sillythings okay and when I was doing thesethings I kind of I know kind of had noremorse like I was just like again I wasjust doing it to survive you know I wasstanding drugs as well and I was justdoing it to survive I was doing it totry and make money um and again as yousaid there was no one really around meto to push me away from it and put me ona better path can I just jump in therejust quickly I mean I've got sort of gotso many questions cause it's such afascinating storyyour relationship with Yvonne now hasthat completely broken down at thisstage or is it or is it a matter of youfeel you can't go back there now oh nono no Yvonneshe's as I said like she's still amother figure to me okay so she wasn'tshe was always still there oh yeah yeahshe she was always still there but againit kind of felt like to me like Icouldn't go back there does that makesense yeah absolutely and at this stagewas you was you taking accountabilityfor anything or was it just you know theworld's just doubt you shit cards andyourcarry on do what you need to do to getby that's exactly it the world wasdealing me this hand that I didn'treally you know um you didn't ask for itbut you've got it and I've got it andand I'm just rolling with itand that's just kind of what he got tohe got to the point where I was justrolling with it and as you said like forme my temper my temper has always got meinto bad situations like Mitchell IIlike even till now even up until thispoint like my temper has always got meinto situations and I know it's becauseof my temper and there's so many thingsthat you know I try and do to try andhelp me deal with my temper but when itcomes upI can't explain to you I literally justhave no control I literally have nocontrol and it's only when people see meangry that they go WOW like you'veactually got a really bad temper andit's hurtful really it's hurtful to hearthat to hear that you've got this thingthat you can't control and even thoughyou do so much things to try and controlit you can't and it's hard andespecially when you know that this thingis getting you into trouble it's ruiningrelationships it's ruining opportunitiesit's not serving you it's not certainlyany it's not so many purpose but youknow what I say that and so it's a it'sa tricky thing because times when youknow I was when I nearly got kidnappedit was my anger that kept me alive beingable to fend for myself being able tofight back that's what that's what keptme alive and so as much as I kind ofhate my temper I also love it becauseI'm able to protect myself in a way thatsomeone else can't protect me well thatmakes sense I does yeah absolutely itdoes make sense it's interesting isn'tit because I suppose in hindsight you'drather not have the temper but oh asyou've got it you've kind of managed toharness it at least to give you somesort of advantageor at least help you in some situationsif that makes sense oh yeah yeahdefinitely okay so you're now saying youspiral out of control what are youthinking like I'm justtrying to get into your head at thisparticular moment now what are youthinking is the future of hezron Brownthe future heads around Brown I actuallydidn't know what the future of headswere on Brown was as I said - I was justthis person that was rolling with E soone would say I wasn't I wasn't thinkingabout my future I wasn't thinking aboutmy loved ones I was just thinking how amI gonna get by how am I gonna surviveand how did that change them when did itchangewell changed when I got done for arobbery charge okay I got done for thisrobbery charge and it wasn't it wasn'teven it wasn't even a robbery like thatand as they grabbed my friend I hit thatperson when he was on the floor which Inever even realized cuz I actuallywalked up at that point but when he wasactually on the floor someone robbed himsomeone took his stuff now when thepolice came they they they they pickedme up and when they when I was in thestation they turn out to me and theysaid oh you've robbed this boy's stuffand this that do and I was like no andthey said oh do you know what kind ofdamage you've done and I was like whoaand the policeman looked at me and hesaid you did not punch him you hit himwith something and I said no I actuallypunched him anyway if you've been ableto do that kind of damage from a punchthat's scary and I was like I actuallynever even realized I even done thatbecause I walked off and when it got tocourt they decided to do me for therobbery charge so not for the assaultokay they they decided to do me forrobbery and I got found guilty of thisrubbery now I have to go for mypre-sentencing report and when I wentthere I stepped for the door and thisblack lady she came up to me and shesaid are you my next appointment I wentI don't knowshe went what's your name I said hezronBrown she said yeah yeah you're my nextappointment and she turned and shelooked at me and she said she totteredand she she said not another black manthat was the that was the thing that shesaid to me and from there I fought Wowlike okay like how much how much haveyou seen today yeah yeah and she said tome tell me everything just tell me thewhole situation mm-hmm so I did I toldher everything I told her what hadhappened and she looked at me and shesaid okay leave it with me I'm gonna tryand help you and I was like okay I don'tknow how you're gonna try and help mebut you know I'm gonna I'm gonna rollwith ityou know as I do and the night before mysentencing I remember sitting therethinking I'm going to do like I am goingto jailmmm yeah and my solicitor was saying tome you know hezron you're facing yearsin prison for this like it's not like ahalf month or anything like that it waslike you're facing yes so i sat therethe night before and I actually boughtmyself a KFC and I bought myself aMcDonald's and I just sat there eatingall these different random type of thingyou're like someone said to you whatwould the last meal be that's one that'sbasically white look like I had Big MacI had a piece of chicken I had somechips I had you know I wanted everythingthat I knew that I would miss hmm and itwas crazy like that feeling of thinkingI'm actually going to prison like it's ahard it's hard to describe what thatfeeling is actually like knowing thatyou're gonna see the outside world againmaybe for a considerable amount of timejust I'm not sorry I mention it in oneof my early episodes I worked in aprison for six months okay and justworking there me it was draining likementally because I was seem I've seengood people I mean I believe we're allgood but sometimes we do bad things andsome more than a listener and there wasthough some people in there who I methim on the streets or something I justthink they're just normally just nicepeople and when you see how little timethey get with their friends and theirfamily and how restricted their life isin prison it was so like heartbreakinginside and it was after that experienceI was like I am never getting on thewrong side of the law because I'm notgoing to give away my freedom and whenyou're in prison you they kind of justtake that away from you so yeah I canimagine how you must have been feelingat that pointyeah I think I think that's somethingthat's important something that youactually just said it's not thatsomeone's bad it's just that they justdo something bad at that time yeahabsolutely and you know a lot of these alot of the guys that are in there likethe women I window they're actually goodpeople but they've just done somethingbad just made a bad choice or a baddecision I always look at that I alwaysthink I think you know how we look at sofor instance we look at a celebrity forexample and we think obvious easy forthem but we forget all the sacrificesand everything that they're putting inbeforehand like hope the whole processand it's the same with somebody who endsup on the wrong side of the law weforget that they may have actually beentrying to sort themselves out or justnot getting a break in life and thensometimes something comes up andsomething happens and then they've actedthe wrong way which in hindsight most ofthe people that I've spoken toespecially in prison wouldn't have doneagain whereas you get some people whoare just literally straight-up crazyyeah they are straight-up criminals butgenerally speaking it is that and I'llbe honest I used to be quite judgmentaland think people don't changemmm again that was just my limitingbelief and now speaking with peopleinterviewing people especially likeyourselves and seeing that you're ableto do the amazing things which we'regoing to talk about shortly it fills mewith like joy in like happiness and alsolike hope and you know having that senseof hope that we can create a betterworld we can create a better communityand yeah we definitely canI always feel when somebody's been atrock bottom they can offer so much moresomebody like yourself who's been on thebrink of like you said you could havebeen stabbed for example you could havehit you in an artery or something andboom you're gone there is no more as RonBrown absolutely at the same situationyou could have been in the wrong placeI've hurt somebody else in their lifeand their future is finished so I'mgrateful that that hasn't happened yeahyeah so I went for my sentencing Iremember sitting in the dock I was satthere I had the the police officerstanding next to me although the guardstanding next to me and while I was inthe dock and the judge came here and sheshe said hezron Brown stand up and Istood up and she said I was actuallygonna sentence you this morning this washer work this was her words to me mm-hmmand even up until this point I stillhave not forgotten she said I was gonnasentence you this morning but yourpre-sentencing report was glowing shesaid I don't know what you didor here you spoke to mm-hmm but I'mwilling to give you another chanceWow and of the feeling I got inside myheart just my heart just my heart sunksecond chance that's you know thatsecond chance and I literally reduced meto tears and I was just in the dock justcrying my eyes out while this woman'stalking to me and telling me what she'swhat she's actually going to sentence meto but I actually just didn't care aboutwhat she was sending me because I knew Iwasn't going to prisonyeah but then at the same time I thoughtto myself I've just wasted like 20 poundand a mat done all day hey I see likeyou know thinking that I was getting mylast meal with actually I'm not theregoes a six pack you know like I wasstill grateful so she gave me a two-yearsuspended sentenceshe gave me two hundred and eighty hoursof community service and a four hundredeighty pound fine now this two-yearsuspended sentence was something thatmade me was was one of the reasons why Ihad to change there wasn't I never had achoice I had to change because what thattwo-year suspended sentence meant wasthat if I had done anything in that timeat any point if the police is beingcalled and I'm involved or Thunder I'mautomatically getting sent to prison andmy actual sentence will get activatedthat's how they put it to me so theykind of scared me I'm thinking no way amI going to be put in a situation whereI'm going to prison so that started toslowly change my mentality I had a sonalong the way as well hmm I had a childon the way now the relationship brokedown with his mom and I actually endedup taking her to court to actually seemy son now this was a battle that lastedin totally spin seven years now my otherpartner at that time she turned aroundto me and she said you know hezron youyou need to bet your life you're yourson can't grow up thinking you know thatyou was a gang memberthat you don't know these bad things hesaid you need to prove what you'recapable ofyeah I love that when she said that tome really made me it made me think aboutthe future I think that was the firsttime I actually really thought about thefuture I I can't be this person that Iwas before just you know doing all thesebad things I have to change there isn'tthere isn't a choice I have to I have toyeah and she was being able to get meinto courses so I done a parentingcourse I donehealth and safety I don't food safety Idone I done my IT never one two andthree I redid my English a masked man Iwent in I don't customer service skillsand employability skills I just I justtried to build myself up to a pointwhere no one could turn around and sayhmm wow you know you're this bad personit sounds like it was something thathappened in like a month's time or ithappened in like too much time and I'msaying yeah I've got this qualificationthis qualification this talkit took me yes yeah it took me years toget all that done but I was proud when Igot done you should be because thatprocess of you developing yourself andyour mind and picking up all theseskills that can never be taken away fromyou could never be taken away never betaken away and I try and say this topeople because maybe maybe it's my age Ican look back a little bit but sometimeswe spend that time trying to pick upmaterialistic things and stuff and we'renot training our mind no and that's themost important thing and you know I'mproud of you for that well done and Ithink that and the best thing with thatis it's taking you two years and I'mkind of glad it's taken you two yearsbecause now you know how hard it is andI suppose you can appreciate the skillsand skilling up and stuff so oh yeah100% like hundred percent um becausethroughout that time you know I hadnever had I've never had a job beforeI'd never had a job before at this pointopen to the age of 22 I'd never had ajobWow I was living off the system and Iwas unrolled as one would pull it I wason road you know when you walk around inthe street and you see that hoodedperson walking around that was me thatwas meday and night that was meWow so you know I've gone from thatperson to now and he said upskillingmyself train in my mind training myselfto be a better person and what wasactually a really big turnaround for mewas one day I was sat in my flat and Isaid to one of my friends I said youknow what I need to change I sat downwith my friend and I said to him I saidyou know why why do we do these thingslike you know why do we why do weactually do these things well and helooked at me and he turned to me and hesaid well we have to this we need to doit and from there I thought now I cansurvive in a different way I don't needto be creating heartache and committingyou know crimes to you know I mean toget him to go finally yeah yeah and Iactually turned to him and I said youknow what tomorrow I'm gonna change myclothes and he said what do you meanyou're gonna change clothes I said I'mgonna change my clothes because at thattime I was always wearing black as Isaid I was that person that you see onthe show you know everything that I hadwas you were basically fitting thestereotype this there was likeabsolutely yeah 100%and I said everything I had was blackdown to my socks down to my boxerseverything was black yeah and I said tohim I said you know who I'm gonna changeI'm gonna go hey chin him and I'm gonnabuy myself some light colored clothesand he started laughing at me and I waslike why you laughing forand he said our heads on you're notgonna go and do that that gave me themotivation that I needed the next day Iwoke up I woke up earlygot myself a shower and I went to townand I went and bought a white top bluejeans I actually came out wearing theclothes and I put my black clothes in abag and I was sat at the bus stop andthis old lady came up to me and she juststarted randomly talking to me tell meabout her or all day or what she wasgonna do for the day tell me about hergrandkids tell him about her kids tellme why she had planned now when Iactually mentioned this story to peoplethey they always laugh because theydon't see that as a big thing but forme that was a big thing because that hasnever happened before I'm not saying shewouldn't but would she have spoken toyou or would you have even been in aplace that was approachable if you wereaddressed how you address yeah butexactly so and when I I remember thewhole journey she was speaking to me onthe bus because she was um she wascoming she was on the same bus style wason I remember the whole journey I wasjust smiling to myself and I got off thebus and I went to my flatand I just sat there and I was justsmiling to myself and my friend cameround to my house and he said oh yoyou've done it of course I've done ityeah I said don't ever doubt me becausewhen I say something when I say I'mgonna do something called do me and I'vealways stuck to that model if I say thatI'm gonna do something and I said whenthat old lady spoke to me that reallychanged me it made me it made me realizethat actually I wasn't a bad person thatI was I was just as you said making badchoices can I just touch on what youjust said there so you just saidsomething fiercely that I wasn't a badperson so somewhere along your life inyour journey you had this belief thatyou were a bad person because maybesociety told you you're a bad person allthe decisions you made there's a verystrong thing and I try and say this to alot of people is we are the story thatwe tell ourselves so if you consistentlykeep telling yourself that you're a badpersonsomewhere along the line you're gonnastart acting like a bad person you'regonna you're gonna find your way toalmost fit the narrative a bit likemyself when I used to say I was shy andanxious one I was very shy and anxiousbut two I'd almost get myself out ofsituations where I could grow and becomea person not shy and anxious if thatmakes sense so yeah yeah definitely it'sweird because you've touched on threethree ladies now who have really come atpivotal points in your life so you hadYvonne initially then you had the ladywho took your appointment she said notanother black man and then you've gotthis third lady you just come on a busand it's almost like somebody sendingyou a message all the time yeah againit's those subtle messages that peopleactually ignore that actually are thethings that change your life if youallow them to and if you accept it ifyou're allowed into an if you accept itand it's exactly is it that simplebecause you could you could have I couldhave seen that in a different way youknow but I didn't and I decided to seein the way that I did that these peopleare trying to change my life and that'show he's bettered me and that'sI've decided to change or did decide tochange get him back to the story of whenI was actually at court for my son orwhen I got all of those qualifications Iremember I went to court and I initiallyslapped it down on the table like Iliterally slapped it down like he waslike it was a movie or somethingand it's just like try and stop me fromseeing my son like that that's all Isaidand the judge looked at me and he saidwe actually can't stop you though but wecan't stop you from seeing your son youknow I mean and it was a good feeling toknow that you know I had achieved all ofthose things for my sonabsolutely and I ended up winning thecourt case so that was one of the realpivotal reasons why I decided to changebut yeah like from there I just didn't Ididn't decide to stop you know I didn'tjust think to myself okay like I've wonthe court case now I don't need to betmyself no more I don't need to enhancemy life no more I'm just gonna chilllike I've never done that I'd stilldecided to keep moving forward keepprogressing and and it was quite funnyyeah because when I was doing thevoluntary work there was people comingup to me saying why are you actuallyworking in here like there is no reasonfor why you need to be working here andI said I'm doing it to better myselflike I'm doing it I love it I'm justdoing it for myself and I was there fortwo months two to three months I wasthere for doing the volunteer work everyday I was dressing in a suit don't askme why I was just arrested in the seatjust because swaggered out I mean theBritish Heart Foundation you know andpeople say people just got to understandwhy button again was all because of mymentality I wanted to have a differentmentality and what was actuallyinteresting was that they actually tookme they signed me off from the JobCenter and signed me on to perhaps andit was for like those people that reallywanted to find the job and it was themthat actually got me involved with thePrince's Trust so one day I went in andI see my advisor and I asked him I saidoh he's there he's there anything goingon is there anything happening there anyjobs available and he turned to me andhe said oh there's there's no jobs oranythinglike that but there's a thing with theprinces trustees could get started intheater mm-hmm and I was like okay I waslike what is it he was like it's not ajob it's like a course I was like okayand he was like but I don't know if youare done if you want to do it becauseit's more like a confidence-buildingcourse but he's like hezron you knowyou've already got confidence so youdon't really need to do that course andI don't think that they would accept youmm-hmm and I looked him and I said putme on it I said even if I don't getaccepted onto it put me on it anywayI'll go I'll see what they say if theyaccept me then they do if they don'tthen oh wow it's just enough one ofthose things mm-hmm so we did he put meon it it was at the Birmingham reptheatre where it was being held so Iwent to the Birmingham rep theatre hadlike a little open day for it and itwould taste a day a little workshop so Ihad done that I had they had then put meonto the course and when I was on thiscourseI sat down and I said to myself I amgoing to commit a hundred percent thatwas it that was it I just said I'm gonnacommit a hundred percent I'm gonna sayhello to every single person I'm gonnabe the last person to leave and I'mgonna be the first person there that'swhat I said to myself and I stuck to mehe got to the point where people werewere asking who I was because I keptsaying hello to random people I was Iwas walking around a bearing a reptheatre the saying just just being likehellomorning morning and people couldn'tunderstand why I just kept sayingmorning and hello but that got theattention of people in the Birminghamrep theatre and I ended up doing thecourse so at the end of it we had toperform a play outside the brick theatreand we had to market it ourselves weeducate posters we had to do the playourselves and we look doing this playand guy from the West End came and thedirecting manager of the rep was thereas wellhis name was Steve bored and afterwinning had finished everyone wasgetting their awards and he wheneveryone was getting their awards forcompleting thecourse the guy turned around from WestEnd and he said Oh where's hezron Brownwhere is heso I'll step forward and he said I'mactually a talent scout and I would likeyou to play a part on the West End and Iwas like what so every wonder thereeveryone's there applauding everyone'sclapping but while they're doing thatI'm standing there baffled thinking I'mnot an actor like and I actually saidthat to him and he was like you'veactually got talent he said you mightnot know it but you have he actually hewanted me to play donkey in Shrek but Isaid to you no I haven't got noexperience and he said yeah I know youhaven't got any experience that's whythe repple gonna take you one sit inSteve ball he then stepped forward andsaid yes as wrong if you come and see menext week we can talk aboutopportunities about how to kind ofbetter your skills and enhance youracting basically so I did I mean I'veseen him and he gave me some actingposition that the Birmingham rep theatrejust like that and from there that'swhen things really started to change soI have now gone from this person thatwas homeless this person that never hadno food at times never had no money attimes that was unrolled at times to nowthis person who's an actor at theBirmingham rep theatre you can make afilm on that I could make a film be theactor as well so then the Prince's Trustgot wind of it so I sat down with awoman called Tsukiko Hale who is theyoung ambassador executive manager inthe West Midlands and I sat down withher so I told her my story as she saidokay she said how would you feel aboutbecoming an ambassador for the Prince'sTrust and I said yeah like I'm up forthat I definitely hundred percent Ithink I think that's a great lesson foranyone I'm not saying necessarily youwanting to become an actor but what youdid want to do is put yourself in abetter situation around better peopleand have a better life and by youembracing that opportunity and justliterally throwing yourself out therebecause I canimagine how comfortable you must havefelt coming from straight black blackhoodie black jogging bottoms to a suitsaying hello to people who you don'tknow how they're gonna perceive youbeing overly enthusiastic spending timeout of your own day go to charity placeslike British Heart Foundation and to putyourself in that environment and thenjust shine I just I just think it'samazing and hopefully people listen tothis and think if you really wantsomething in life and if you know whatyou want just go ahead and do it do youknow what I mean don't wait don't waitfor someone to give you give you the nodor the acceptance because you've got totake control of your life and you'vedone it may in fair play Tia thank youyou know what it's all about Southbelief I agree oh you know like there'snothing more powerful than self beliefnothing if you believe in yourself andyou believe that you can achieve thenyou can if you tell yourself everysingle day I'm gonna be a millionaireyou'll be a millionaire not just becauseyou've said it every day but becauseyou're you're putting it out there tothe universe you're installing that intoyour mindset so things that you will dofrom that point on will be things tomake you a millionaire absolutely a lotof people don't believe in themselvesthey don't and to be honest I'm guiltyof it so I never believed in myself Iwas into podcasts about two years ago orthree years ago yeah they are alwayswanted it because I'm always fascinatedby people's stories and I used to saycertain things about my life and peoplefind it inspiring and it's taken me like12 months to really have the self beliefand you touched on something there likethe millionaire thing and it's a bitlike you know for instance you go andbuy a red car for example you're goingto see that red car everywhere and thatthey call that the reticular activationsystem is kind of some scientific termso when you start saying you're amillionaire and you start putting it outthere into the universe you're going tostart seeing opportunities where you canpotentially become a millionaire you'regoing to be you're going to seemillionaires and millionaires you mighthave a conversation with one you mightpick up some information from himthrough your 20 minute conversation orwhatever so I think you've hit the nailon the head there self belief is soimportant especially to inspire peopleare motivated to go out there and dowhat they want to do you have to believein yourself you have to have him and youhave to because what will happen is thatopportunities will present themselves toyou but you won't take them because youdon't believe in yourself becausesaid you might feel like you're too shyor you know you've got this anxiety whenyou're around so you know like then isyou then start to lose out on some ofthe things that are actually there toactually better your life things areonly just started now really you know tolook up and as much as you know I haddone all those things before to bettermyself it's only now that theopportunities are actually coming my waythings that I had never seen before nowI was doing like garner dinners I wasgoing to red carpet events I was I wasstanding in front of corporate busestelling him about my life story tellinghim about how the Prince's Trust hashelped me and I'm at these I'm at theseplaces and I'm thinking to myself howdid I even get herelike sometimes it's a bit unreal becauseI'll be sitting there and I'll be I'llbe remembering the people that I used tohang around with mmmI remember the things that I used to doI remember the hard times that I was inthe times when I was literally I wentfor a depression I was literally likeyou know I was having suicidal thoughtsI was I was I never thought life wasworth living you know every day cryingmyself to sleep because of the situationthat I was in so I've gone from thatperson to now sitting down at a tablearound millionaires literallymillionaires pretty it's corporatebosses eating lobster like literallyeating lobster for my start I mean I'mkind of things I'm thinking like it'scrazy like it's crazy how I got myselffrom there today but obviously it waspossible and obviously I'm done laterself belief and it's the process andit's the process and people forget theprocess and you you've had to endure itand a lot of people think they can justwish something and it just happens in amonth in a week sometimes it can takefive years sometimes it could take tenyears I'm glad for your sister for yoursake and for the community because ofthe work you're doing now it's happenedit's quicker because now you're outthere and you're able to do great thingsso mmm it's fantastic man thank youthank you so he built up my confidenceit built upthe passion that I had actually becauseI think what was what was hindering meetme before was that I actually didn'tknow what I wanted to do a lot of peoplewere always like saying okay what do youwant to do you know like you know whatyou want to be coming I was always likeI actually don't know and I actuallydon't know what I want to do I don'tknow what I want to becomebut the Prince's Trust gave me theanswer and it was from doing all thoseevents because I was doing those eventsand I was talking to these people in mymind I was always thinking these aren'tthe people that need to hear my storyit's the young people that need to hearmy story surgery and from there Istarted going into schools I was doingit for free I was just going intoschools speak into year groups and I wasjust speaking to the young people turnedhim about my storysometimes on a one-to-one basissometimes as a whole year group and theimpact I was making and that I wasseeing was it was unreal you know cuzthere are a lot of young people that aregoing through similar finger yeah whatI've gone through and to be able to sayto them actually like I went throughthat but this is where I am now and tosee their face actually light up andthink hope to know that they've got hopethat they can now you know that they cancontinue like there was a boy that Ispoke to I told him my story and it wasit was during a it was during one of mytalks that I do and and he was to thewhole year group and this boy came up tome at the end and he's eternal it's okaywhat's mean he said can you be my mentorand I said well yeah like if you want meto any went I've got a temper and it'sexactly how you describe yours and hewas like to see and it's because he saidyou know he always keeps getting intobad situations and his temper keepsdefining him and I looked at him and Isaid your temper doesn't define you Isaid you know I've got a temper youwouldn't even believe it but I've got atemper as well but look where I'mstanding and now you're coming up to measking me for help youI said you can be that person in thefuture absolutely and and to see hisface was light up it was great man andit's nice really it's the best feelingto know that you've made an impact onsomeone's life in a way that you neveractually thought you could you know wasit sitting there before and I wasthinking you know if I speak about mytemper that's gonna help peoplesomething that could be possible it'swell deserved given from me it was wrongbecause you couldn't were given up andyou could have just I could have givenup stayed in that life and contrib senta hundred percent and this is whatpeople need to understand that life thatI was in before there was only two therewas only two roadsit was either jail or death and the lifeyou live in now the opportunities andjust the hell it's unreal to be honestthis is kind of like one of my missionsas well because you mentioned liketemper then just from you saying thatstory one person who could relate toyour story you could potentially have arole on effect for his life and then hecouldn't do fantastic things and theguests that I've got on this podcastthey're all got their own story so oneof my good friends he's got blind in oneeye and all eyes people because he's aboxing coach he's a fantastic personthat one of the best people I know andsomebody who's going through those kindof issues they might be able to relateto each story I've got somebody who'senlivened with cancer and they'restruggling in their mindset and dealingwith that so that's gonna help peoplewho are suffering with cancer so whatabout finding people who have hadadversity in their life but they've beennot given up they've not let the cardsthat lived out an effect and whatthey've done is they played with themthe best way they can and they found away to win the game and you're undermoney you're winning and longmatecontent I'm winning my I'm gonna move iton a little bit now I'm a big believerthat we are resort of the things we tellourselves but I'm also a big believerthat ideally habits are really importantas well so now if you could just tellpeople now it's a day in the life ofhezron Brown a day in the life of hezronBrown yeah well you know I need I needto be true for everyone I'm not I'm nota celebrity yet you know yeah yes butit's the process and he still sees tothe process I'm just looking to besomeone that you know these young peoplecan look up to and and hopefully howchange some people's lives but a life inthe day ofBrown is a life like everyone else youknow I get luck actually what I onething I do is when I get up I look inthe mirror for about five minutes and Ijust stare at myself as much as as muchas we're that that sound yeah stare atmyself I put my hands on my hips hmm andI just stare I'll just stare into myface I just stare into my eyes okay andI'll just keep saying to myself you'regonna make it you're gonna make it I'mgonna make it yes and that's all I keepsaved myself and I do it oops about fiveminutes sort of standing it and thatactually gives me the motivation to todo what I need to do in the day mmm mmmyou know if there's anything that I needto look at in regards to work or youknow if there's someone I need to go andspeak to it just gives me the motivationthat I needit's a powerful affirmation andsubconsciously you're strengthening yourself belief which is the reason you'redoing amazing things now so I think thatthat's really important this is kind ofwhy I asked the question becausesomebody always has something in theirroutine which they might not necessarilysee as an amazing thing but it's somekid out there who doesn't believe inhimself just simply stands up in themirror tomorrow morning with their handson the hips or wherever they want to putit and they just say empowering thingslike I am NOT shy for example or I amworth more I will achieve more I will domore for people and they consistentlysay that and it's not not just onceyou've got you've got to keep saying itespecially if you haven't got the selfbelief they will start seeing they willchange so mate that's a fantastic pointI think I think it's I've actually gotan image now because I said I said whatyou look like and standing there nowdecide I shouldn't be thinking it youknow because I've got black boxes I'vegot you there and I know it's empoweringfor myself as well you know for mymindset and because I said he just givesme the motivation that I need but yeahafter that put my clothes on go to workand come home eat foodgo to bed well actually no that's that'swhy I eat food and work on work onmyself again so that's good at themoment when I saythat I go into schools and colleges andpeople are Farrow units youth offendingteams prisons I do my talk but I alsotalk about some of the social issuesthat are plaguing a society as well so Igive talks on nice crime I give talks oncounty lines and I'm creating otherprograms as well other presentationsthat I can do in schools as well so atthe momentthat's what I'm doing just trying tocreate those presentations create I saidI'm just I'm out here trying to helppeople so love it in the evening thatjust work on myself fantastic justoffline we'll take this conversationoffline on my I did this little bit outI was a social worker in my last life aswelland I send the kids that I've gonethrough the system and how hard it isand stuff so one of my big goals in lifeis to have a social impact change aswell so something for offline becauseobviously you're in Princes trust I wantto start a social enterprise for mentalhealth as well there's a lot of thingsthat I feel that in the future we canwork on to make a massive difference inthe world so let's definitely go let'slet's do it mind let's do it let's gomanthe next question is about adversity andI think you've pretty much touched on ahell of a lot of adversity but if we canjust go back to one example and what Iwant you to do is give us the lessonsthat he's taught you and how that's madeyou stronger today oh I would say thetoughest like adversity that I faced waswhen I was in that bed and breakfastgoing through that time when I never hadno money I never had no food when I meanthat time for me was harder I mean thattime for me was hard I was 15 years oldturning 16imagine being that age - to fend foryourself literally like everything yeahand you know I remember nights MitchellI said I was crying myself to sleepbecause I was that hungry that my bellyfat like he was turning inside out and Ithink that taught me especially now hetaught me not to take for granted thingsthat I do for me yeah that's one of thebiggest things for me at the moment likeI just I just I'll just live life how Iwant to live life but I just do what Iwant to dobecause as I said I look back to thosetimes and and I realize actually whereI've come from and you know you've got asense of gratitude now as well foranything that you take which is reallyoh listen you should see me when I eatfood you should you should yeah ahthough you don't want to be around methe chicken brilliant brilliantokay so the next one's a little bitwe're gonna spin it a little bit againwhat's your biggest fear now my biggestfear is my temper even now and me losingmy temper losing that control andsomething bad happens which puts me backin that situation that I was in when Iwas younger a hell of a lot to lose aswell now and I've got so I've got somuch to lose like and you know when I'mtrying to say like I want to be a rolemodel for these young people and how canI be a role model if I'm out heregetting locked up for something or youknow I can't be that role model thatthese young people need if I'm doingthose if I'm doing those things and itis hard there's a guy called inkyjohnson I don't know if you know him hesays something about there's no pointyou trying to be a public success ifyou're a private failure exactly it's sopowerful because it's so easy on socialmedia to try and portray yourself to besomebody else do you know what I meanbut I think you have enough having thatin the back of your mind knowing how didthese kids depend on me you don't knowhe's watching you tomorrow it could be akid who's about to go and do the worstthing in his life but if he sees you andhe's looking at you and think it's hotin a minute this guy he's going placesdoing things that maybe I could do thatit might just completely change histrajectory of his life on the basis ofthat so obviously you've got that in theback of your head you don't wanna letyourself down you go you've got yourlittle one as well what's your what elsekeeps you going what's your motivationis it just to know go out there just bebigger better help more people yeah mymotivation now is to get into as muchschools of a can as much prisons as Ican as much people refer units listen Ijust want to get in front of as muchyoung people as I canand spread my story and hopefully changepeople's lives that's my motivationalong with my kids as well as I said youknow I don't I want I want my kids togrow upclean him proud of me err you know howyeah that's something that's somethingin my life that I've never really hadyou know people being proud of meand I think as well that's somethingthat I've tried to strive for yeah I'lltry to strive against that thatacceptance you know and for my kids mainleaf mostly I just want them to be proudof me yeah I just want them to be happyand know be able to say to people youknow that's my dad you know there were100 percent hundred saying man to manI'm proud of you for how far you've comeas well in your stories is I'm excitedmate for you for your future I'mgenuinely excited yeah I can't wait forthe things it's okay so what we're gonnado now we're gonna go into a quick fireround of 60 seconds and we're gonna puthas run through his paces we're gonnaask him as many questions as possible soif you're ready we're gonna start inthree two oneokay the ability to fly or be invisibleability to fly money your fame moneyNetflix or YouTube Netflix Coke or Pepsior Pepsi would you rather know how youwill die or when you were dying oh whenI would die love or money love books ormovies movies if you could sit with oneperson in the world for an hour whowould it be my kids I love them what isyour biggest addiction my baby oh theygive the Dixon food summer or wintersummer your favorite place in the worldmy bed speak or languages will be ableto speak to animals speak or languagesyour favorite song I don't have fun thelast song you listen to okay love ityour favorite superhero Superman if youcould abolish one thing in the worldwhat would it be or badness love it loveit okay times up so now we have finishedthat round we're gonna move overstraight back into the interview sectionof the show so the next question has runit's about reflection so how that's awonderful thing and upon reflection wecan always think of ways to get to wherewe are currently quicker easier or withless heartache but I guess the journeyteaches us a lot especiallyyour journey as well and I've got a realbelief that everything happens for areasonOh hundred percent absolutely so what Iwant to know is if you could go back intime to one moment where you reallystruggled let's let's take thatbed-and-breakfast example and sufferedwith that adversity being hungry in thatmoment and you could just whispersomething into your ear knowing what youknow now and where you're going now whatwould it bestay strong mmm literally stay strongcuz I said that was something that Ialways and I struggled with men when Imean like you know I was having thosesuicidal thoughts I was having some realsuicidal thoughts you know and if Icould go back then and you know speak tomyself I would just say heads one staystrong don't cry just stay strong stayon the path I wish I had done this stuffearlier but you know one thing that Ialways say it's people is I'm glad thatI've lived the life yeah people peoplealways people always say to me like ohif you could go back in time would youchange would you change anything no Iwouldn't and if anything called probablydo it worse because because now I havethe story sit down and speak to people Ican sit down and speak to well I haveI've sat down and spoken to older peoplehmm about things that they thought Iwould never know nothing about but I'mable to sit down and speak of thembecause of what I've been through sosuddenly that brings us to the lastquestion and the last question I alwayslike to ask my guess is if in 150 yearstime we're all dead because sciencehasn't managed to save us and all that'sleft is one book and that book is basedon your life about you telling the worldwho hezron Brown really was what I wannaknow is what that Blair would say andthen I'm just gonna add a littlequestion at the end is what would youcall it as wellokay I'm gonna probably call it thestruggle is real of it that's notprobably what I would call it thestruggle is real so if anyone's outthere who's listening that can write abook for me that's what the fight willbe the struggle is realand I think the blurb would like theblurb would just have to be somethinglike you know this is a man but you haveto say in a voice as well you can't justdo it like normally he has to be like ina voice like you know okay like a LiamNeeson kind of voice I'm gonna try asuccess with Scott let's go this is aman this is a man after facing hardtimes changed and became a better manfor the love of his kids and for thelove of what he wanted to do for societyI like it I like it I like it I like itbut it would have sounded better withthe Liam Neeson voice but oh that'sbrilliant that's - basically the end ofthe show so what I normally do now aswell is I ask people to reach out to youif you wouldn't mind and I think yourstory just one that's gonna inspirethousands of people so I've got you onTwitter but I know you've just startedthat have you got any of the socialmedia platforms yeah like I'm onFacebookokay um I'm on Twitter I'm on LinkedInas well is Helzer on brown on on most ofthem I think um Twitter its hezron Brown90 okay fantastic fantastic what I'llalso do is I'll put all these links tohezron social media in the show notes soif anyone wants to reach out please docheck the 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A Hillside ThawRobert Frost To think to know the country and not knowThe hillside on the day the sun lets goTen million silver lizards out of snow!As often as I've seen it done beforeI can't pretend to tell the way it's done.It looks as if some magic of the sunLifted the rug that bred them on the floorAnd the light breaking on them made them run.But if I thought to stop the wet stampede,And caught one silver lizard by the tail,And put my foot on one without avail,And threw myself wet-elbowed and wet-kneedIn front of twenty others' wriggling speed, --In the confusion of them all aglitter,And birds that joined in the excited fun,By doubling and redoubling song and twitter,I have no doubt I'd end by holding none.It takes the moon for this. The sun's a wizardBy all I tell; but so's the moon a witch.From the high west she makes a gentle castAnd suddenly, without a jerk or twitch,She has her spell on every single lizard.I fancied when I looked at six o'clockThe swarm still ran and scuttled just as fast.The moon was waiting for her chill effect.I looked at nine: the swarm was turned to rockIn every lifelike posture of the swarm,Transfixed on mountain slopes almost erect.Across each other and side by side they lay.The spell that so could hold them as they wereWas wrought through trees without a breath of stormTo make a leaf, if there had been one, stir.It was the moon's: she held them until day,One lizard at the end of every ray.The thought of my attempting such a stay!

A Hillside ThawRobert Frost To think to know the country and not knowThe hillside on the day the sun lets goTen million silver lizards out of snow!As often as I've seen it done beforeI can't pretend to tell the way it's done.It looks as if some magic of the sunLifted the rug that bred them on the floorAnd the light breaking on them made them run.But if I thought to stop the wet stampede,And caught one silver lizard by the tail,And put my foot on one without avail,And threw myself wet-elbowed and wet-kneedIn front of twenty others' wriggling speed, --In the confusion of them all aglitter,And birds that joined in the excited fun,By doubling and redoubling song and twitter,I have no doubt I'd end by holding none.It takes the moon for this. The sun's a wizardBy all I tell; but so's the moon a witch.From the high west she makes a gentle castAnd suddenly, without a jerk or twitch,She has her spell on every single lizard.I fancied when I looked at six o'clockThe swarm still ran and scuttled just as fast.The moon was waiting for her chill effect.I looked at nine: the swarm was turned to rockIn every lifelike posture of the swarm,Transfixed on mountain slopes almost erect.Across each other and side by side they lay.The spell that so could hold them as they wereWas wrought through trees without a breath of stormTo make a leaf, if there had been one, stir.It was the moon's: she held them until day,One lizard at the end of every ray.The thought of my attempting such a stay!

The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-356 – Talking Communities with Kevin Gwin of the Extra Mile  (Audio: link) [audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4356.mp3] Link MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - Hey there!  It’s a new year! I know we lost a lot of celebrities in 2016, but you and I made it, right?  So welcome to a new year.  And welcome to the extra-mile edition of the RunRunLive Podcast.  That’s right I grabbed our friend Kevin Gwin away from his Beatles albums and Galloway chatter to talk to me about communities of runners and how the world has changed since we started doing this a decade ago.  How was your 2016?  Glass half-full or tank half-empty?  I’m going to quote my favorite race ‘A’ goal.  “I didn’t die!”  The rest is gravy I guess! Let’s see what I can remember… I think we started the year running the Hangover Classic 10k on January first and jumping in the ocean.  Then in January didn’t trundle the wife off to Phoenix for a quick vacation that included the Rock ‘n Roll Marathon and a bunch of cool sight-seeing? Did I not run a bunch of the local races leading up to Boston?  Like Derry and Stu’s and Eastern States?  Did I not Have a great training cycle? The best in 5 years right?  Then we ran Boston and learned that lesson about going out too fast that somehow never gets learned.  But, we checked off our 18th Boston, didn’t die and raised some coin for the Hoyts.  Do I seem to remember capping off 10 years of Race Directorship of the Groton Road Race?  The race and the club managed to survive my term and handed it off to someone even more capable! There might have been a couple weeks in May where all that caught up with me and I slowed down with a small case of pneumonia, but you can’t get rainbows without rain.  I jumped out of that rough patch by running the Grand Canyon with my newly graduated Daughter.  How cool is that for a bucket list checkoff? The summer was a bit doldrum filled, but I capped it off with another nice vacation to Chicago, yes I did see a Cubs Game in Wrigley Field.  Apparently my good karma rubbed off on those fellows later in the year. I shook off the heat and placed in that trail marathon in Indy.  I returned to my old friend the Wapack Trail for a long outing in the rocks on Labor Day.  Then I turned around and spanked that Spartan Beast a couple weeks later, making a fair amount of young people cry.   Somewhere in there I lost 15 pounds and showed up for the Portland Marathon lean and light.  I got lucky with the weather and requalified.  I joined my club for the Ayer 5k tradition on Thanksgiving and our end-of-season shindig at the Mill Cities Relay.  This past Saturday I ran the 4th edition of my very own made up marathon and I’ll tell you about that later.  Goodreads tells me I read 27 books.  I know I wrote at least 52 articles.  I pushed out 26 podcasts.  I trained almost every day.  Pretty good year, right?  Was it perfect?  Was it filled with challenges and accidents and side turns?  Of course, it was.  If everything is smooth sailing and your life isn’t filled with challenges you’re not living, you’re waiting to die. I don’t know if any of that stuff would be considered worthy, or good or bad.  I try very hard not to waste time keeping score.  It’s simpler.  Get up and do stuff.  Do what you can do.  I have a sign by y desk that reminds me that consistency and practice are a reasonable substitute for genius, it says; “Work the Process.” Anyway, today we talk with Kevin.  In section one I’ll talk a bit about breathing.  I was thinking about this topic this week and wanted to poke at it a bit. In section two I’ll probably pull some more nuggets out of the Drucker book I’ve just finished.  (that would count as number one for 2017, if I was keeping score!) … BeforeI let you go I’ll remind you that the RunRunLive podcast is ad free and listener supported.  We have a membership option where you can become a member and as a special thank you, you will get access to member’s only audio. I’ll also remind you that I have started raising money for team Hoyt for my 2017 Boston Marathon.  I would appreciate any help you can give.   The fundraiser is on Crowdrise (so I don’t have to touch any of the money) it goes straight to the Hoyts and supports acquiring equipment and supporting others who want to participate like the Hoyts do.  My family and I go over to my Mom’s for Christmas Eve.  I was driving around in the truck with Buddy doing errands on Saturday and she called me to see what time I was planning to come.  I asked her who else was coming, because I had some nieces and nephews I was trying to get presents to. And she must have thought I was qualifying the gathering because she said “It’s not the number of people who show up, Chris, it’s the quality of the people who show up.” There ya go.  Happy New Year. On with the show. The RunRunLive podcast is Ad Free and listener supported.  We do this by offering a membership option where members get Access to Exclusive Members Only audio and articles. Yes, we are still working on setting up the separate podcast feed for the member’s content.  Most recently I recorded and uploaded the first chapter of the zombie novel I’ve been writing for 30 years.  Member only race reports, essays and other bits just for you! Exclusive Access to Individual Audio Segments from all Shows Intro’s, Outro’s, Section One running tips, Section Two life hacks and Featured Interviews – all available as stand-alone MP3’s you can download and listen to at any time. Links are in the show notes and at RunRunLive.com … Section one – Breathing - Voices of reason – the conversation Kevin Gwin from the ExtraMile Podcast The Extra Mile Podcast is a podcast for runners of all abilities from any part of the globe. 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Section two The Effective Executive - http://runrunlive.com/the-effective-executive-peter-e-drucker Outro Alrighty my friends.  New year, new lease on life, right?  Blank slate for us.  You my friend have diaphragmatically breathed your way through the end of Episode 4-356 of the RunRunLive podcast.  Strange cadence to the holidays this year.  It seems like everyone disappeared for 2 weeks on the business side.  I was trying to make calls and I couldn’t get a response out of anyone.  Now this week they are all emerging from the woodwork with a corresponding urgency! As of Monday I’m back on my clean eating wagon.  It feels good.  My goal is to see if I can get down to 165 pounds for the Boston marathon.  It’s ironic that the government BMI tables have always told me I should be between 155 and 165 for my height.  I always thought that was bull.  At that weight I’m going to be somewhere in the 6-7% body fat.  Should be able to see some of those ab muscles I’ve never seen! I’m healthy and my training is going well.  Coach has me in the build-2 stage, which means I’ll start ramping up the volume and working in some intensity.  I did one last idiotic thing to close out the year, well, actually two things.  I hosted the 4th annual Groton Marathon.  We made it more official this year.  We set up the clock and had people ‘register’.  We got some blank buttons with the club logo on them. I Left a piece of notebook paper on the tailgate of my truck and had people sign in their name, distance and make up a bib number.  The official bibs were the buttons.  I gave them a sharpie to write their numbers on the button.  Of course, given the geekiness of runners I didn’t just get numbers.  I got two pi’s, a mu, a natural logarithm and a tally mark five.  Then I had them write down their finishing time when they were done. So we could get results.  I handed out handmade holiday ornaments as medals.  I got about 24 people to come out and run various differences.  The ½ was very popular.  Two other guys joined me for the full.  Given the shape I was in it was probably about 4-6 miles more than I should have been running – but we got it done, finishing up around 4:09.  It hovered just below freezing for the whole day. I guess the lesson here is you don’t need to be a $150 Rock n Roll event to get out and have fun with your buddies.  Because of the odd way the holidays fell, the Hangover Classic was the next day.  I ran the 5K with Teresa and we all jumped in the Atlantic, as is our tradition.  It was interesting running the day after a marathon.  I just stretched out and let my legs do what they wanted.  I survived.  Now I’m back on the plan and ramping up for Boston.  It’s good to have a compass point to steer towards.  On a different note, Buddy the old Wonder dog is doing ok.  He can’t run much anymore because his his back hips are very weak now.  He’s not in any pain, he just has trouble getting up and down.  He still climbs the stairs and jumps up in the bed.  He’s still perfectly mobile, but I think his running days are over.  He’s started his new career as a lap dog to keep the girls warm at night.  Not a bad gig. … We had a warm day with rain this week and it washed most of the snow and ice from the trails.  I was able to get out for a run.  Out behind the pond I found a cell phone in the ground.  I brought it home.  It was a droid in an Otter case and it still had a charge on it.  It was locked so I couldn’t tell whose it was.  I brought it home and put it on the charge.  It rang a couple times, but I couldn’t get to it in time.  I ended up dropping it at the police station.  I hope the owner thinks to call down there.  I feel like I should put a sign up on the trail that says “I found your cell phone and left it with the Police.” I also tried to give blood.  Funny story.  The Red Cross were sending me desperate emails.  I tried to make an appointment on their website, but my experience is that making an appointment really has no impact on the process.  It’s not the most organized process. Of course the lady is taking my HR and I tell her it’s going to be low, but she enters it and the system flags it, and she has to call a doctor to get it overridden.  Crazy right?  I sometimes feel like we get penalized for being healthy. Then they hook me up, she can’t find a vein, because, I guess I ‘m a bit grissley.  She fishes around, calls the other guy over, he fishes around, they finally find some blood flow and get me going.  Couple minutes later the next person wanders by and notices that I’ve dried up.  She fishes around for awhile, then they give up.  They unhook me and I’m done. That’s it. They don’t get a bag of blood. I get a bottle of water, a t-shirt, a Dunkies gift card and a bruise.  So, I’m not complaining but there’s an hour and a half of my life I think we could make better use of! Anybody else have this challenge?  Seems like a process that could use a bit of effectiveness consulting, eh? … So my friends. Here we are in 2017.  Ten years in.  Remember when you were a kid and 10 years seemed like such a long wait?  Now it’s the blink of an eye. It’s up to you to slow it down.  You have to grab time by the tail and hold on tight, or as Ferrris said, you might miss it. We tend to get caught up and tied up by all the things undone, piled up and leering at us.  I think you have to actively counter that.  Especially in these early days of the calendar when we’re all thinking about goals and list and priorities.  I leave you with one of the sentiments from my daily practice. Focus on executing today, living now, being present in today’s tasks and let the outcomes take care of themselves. And.. I’ll see you out there in a healthy, prosperous and joy filled 2017. MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks -

应粉丝要求录制的一期~各位想学什么歌曲欢迎留言，也可以在微信里告诉Sean哦~微信公众号 搜索dailyblah 订阅，了解更丰富的口语文化知识。 新浪微博搜索关注SeanFreeman 免费观看最新daily blah视频和更多推送！ 歌词We Don&`&t Talk Anymore (feat. Selena Gomez)[Charlie Puth:]We don&`&t talk anymoreWe don&`&t talk anymoreWe don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to doWe don&`&t laugh anymoreWhat was all of it forOhh, we don&`&t talk anymore, like we used to do...I just heard you found the one, you been lookingYou been looking forI wish I would’ve known that wasn&`&t meCause even after all this timeI still wonderWhy I can&`&t move onJust the way you did so easilyDon&`&t wanna knowKinda dress you&`&re wearing tonightIf he&`&s holdin onto you so tightThe way I did beforeI overdosedShould&`&ve known your love was a gameNow I can&`&t get you out of my brainOhh, it&`&s such a shameThat we don&`&t talk anymoreWe don&`&t talk anymoreWe don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to doWe don&`&t laugh anymoreWhat was all of it for?Oh, we don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to do[Selena Gomez:]I just hope you&`&re lying next to somebodyWho knows how to love you like meThere must be a good reason that you&`&re goneEvery now and then I think you might want me to come show up at your doorBut I&`&m just too afraid that I&`&ll be wrongDon&`&t wanna knowIf you&`&re looking into her eyesIf she&`&s holdin onto you so tight the way I did beforeI overdosedShould&`&ve known your love was a gameNow I can&`&t get you out of my brainOh, it&`&s such a shame[Charlie Puth & Selena Gomez:]That we don&`&t talk anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)We don&`&t talk anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)We don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to doWe don&`&t laugh anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)What was all of it for?(We don&`&t we don&`&t)Oh, we don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to doLike we used to doDon&`&t wanna knowKinda dress you&`&re wearing tonightIf he&`&s giving it to you just rightThe way I did beforeI overdosedShould&`&ve known your love was a gameNow I can&`&t get you out of my brainOh, it&`&s such a shameThat we don&`&t talk anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)We don&`&t talk anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)We don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to doWe don&`&t laugh anymore(We don&`&t we don&`&t)What was all of it for?(We don&`&t we don&`&t)Oh, we don&`&t talk anymoreLike we used to do(We don&`&t talk anymore)Don&`&t wanna knowKinda dress you&`&re wearing tonight (Oh)If he&`&s holding onto you so tight (Oh)The way I did before(We don&`&t talk anymore)I overdosedShould&`&ve known your love was a game (Oh)Now I can&`&t get you out of my brain (Woah)Oh, it&`&s such a shameThat we don&`&t talk anymore唱词[Charlie Puth:]We don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreLai kui uztodoWe don la fanymoreWha was allofi forOhh, We don tal kanimore, Lai kui uzto do...I jus hur jiu foun the one, you been lookingYou been looking forI wish I wudve known tha wasn meCasien after all this tima still wonderWhy I can move onJus the way you diso easilyDon wanna no Kinda dresyou wearing 2 9ifhis hodonto yaso tight way I di beforeI overdose shouldve known your love wasa gameNow I can ge qiu of my brainOhh, i-such a shametha We don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto doWe don la fanymoreWha was allofi forOh, We don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto do[Selena Gomez:]I jus ho piu lying next to somebodyhunoz hota love ya li ke methmusbe a gu reason tha qiu goneEvery now anthen I thin kiumai wanme to come showapa qiao doorBu I&`&m jus too afrai tha I&`&ll be wrongDon wanna no If you looking into her eyes Ifshes holdonto ya so tight way I di beforeI overdose shouldve known your love wasa gameNow I can ge qiu of my brainOhh, i-such a shame[Charlie Puth & Selena Gomez:]Tha We don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto doWe don la fanymoreWha was allofi forOh, We don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto doLai kui uztodoDon wanna no Kinda dresyou wearing 2 9Ifhis givintoya jus rightway I di beforeI overdose shouldve known your love wasa gameNow I can ge qiu of my brainOhh, i-such a shameTha We don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreWe don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto doWe don la fanymoreWha was allofi forOh, We don tal kanimoreLai kui uzto do(We don&`&t talk anymore)Don wanna no Kinda dresyou wearing 2 9ifhis hod onto yaso tight way I di before(We don&`&t talk anymore)I overdose shouldve known your love wasa gameNow I can ge qiu of my brainOhh, i-such a shameTha We don tal kanimore

Back with lots of new gigs with Brobdingnagian Bards. Plus I ponder how to start my own Renaissance Festival. Songs: "Whiskey, You're the Devil" by Bruno's Boys from Last Call "Monkeys Over Mongolia" by Marc Gunn from unavailable "Tam Lin" by Nick Hennessey from Of Fire, Wind and Silver Stream Notes: Brobdingnagian Bards - Irish, Folk & Celtic Music in Texas MiddleFaire, Hillsboro, Texas Bedlam Bards Irish Drinking Songs for Cat Lovers How to Successfully Start Up and Promote a Renaissance Festival EzineDirector.com - Manage Your Mailing Lists Queen Anne's Lace and "Infidelity" The Village Idiot's Guide to Renaissance Festivals The Next Renaissance Festival CD The Holy Grail of Irish Drinking Songs The Limeybirds Bards Crier Music Marketing Ezine Irish & Celtic Music Podcast: Celtic Men & Celtic Women Intro music by The Tea Merchants Whiskey, You're the Devilwords and music traditional Whiskey, you're the devil, you're leadin' me astrayOver hills and mountains and to AmericaeYou're sweeter, stronger, decenter, you're spunkier than taeO whiskey, you're my darlin' drunk or sober Oh, now, brave boys, we're off to marchAnd off to Portugal and SpainThe drums are beating, the banners flying,The devil ahome will ye come tonightLove, fare thee well,With me tiddley idle doobie da be daMe tiddley idle doobie da be da,Me right full toor a laddieOh! There's whiskey in the jar. The French are fighting proudly,Men dying hot and couldlyGives ev'ry man his flask of powder,Love, fare thee well,With me tiddley idle doobie da be daMe tiddley idle doobie da be da,Me right full toor a laddieOh! There's whiskey in the jar. Said the mother: "Do not wrong me,Don't take me daughter from meFor if you do I will torment you,And after death me ghost will haunt youLove, fare thee well,With me tiddley idle doobie da be daMe tiddley idle doobie da be da,Me right full toor a laddieOh! There's whiskey in the jar. Monkeys Over Mongoliawords and music Marc Gunn There's an airplane over MongoliaMongolia, MongoliaThere's an airplane over MongoliaAnd I don't know why it's gone. Some monkeys hijacked that airplaneOh that airplane, yes that airplaneSome monkeys hijacked that airplaneAnd they're flying it straight from Spain Through the wind and the snow and violent rainThe violent rain, the greenish rainThrough the wind and the snow and violent rainThat blew from an elephant's brain. As the airplane crashes down outsideYes, down outside, oh down outsideAs the airplanes crashes down outsideThey whistle su-i-cide... is dangerous Mongolia, MongoliaThere's an airplane over MongoliaAnd I don't know why it's gone. Tam Linwords and music traditional Oh, I forbid you maidens allThat wear gold in your hairTo come or go by CarterhaughFor young Tam Lin is there, is there,For young Tam Lin is there. For there's none that go by CarterhaughBut they leave him a pledgeThey either leave their mantles greenOr else their maidenhead, it's said,Or else their maidenhead. Fair Janet's tied her kirtle greenA bit above her kneeAnd she has gone to CarterhaughAs fast as go can she, can she,As fast as go can she. And she hadn't pulled a single rose,A rose but only oneWell up then came a tall young manSays "Lady, pull no more, no more,Oh, Lady, pull no more." "How dare you pull a rose," he says,"How dare you break the treeAnd how dare you come to CarterhaughWithout command from me, from me,Without command from me." "Carterhaugh, it is my own.My father gave it to me.And I'll come and go", young Janet says,"And ask no leave of thee, of thee,Oh, I'll ask no leave of thee." Well he's taken her by the waist so smallDown to where the grass grows so greenAnd what they did, I just can't sayBut he never once asked her leave, her leave,Oh, He never once asked her leave. Fair Janet's tied her kirtle greenA bit above her kneeAnd she has to her father goneAs fast as go can she, can she,Oh, as fast as go can she. Four and twenty ladies fairWere playing all at chanceWell in there came young Janet fairAs green as any glass, any glassOh, as green as any glass, And up then spoke an old faced knightWatching o'er the game,"Alas my young poor girl for theeWe will take the blame, take the blame,Oh, we will take the blame." "Oh, hold your tongue, you old faced knightSome ill death may you die.I'll father my child on whom I willI'll father none on thee, be sure,I'll father none on thee." And up then spoke her father dear,And he spoke meek and mild,"Alas my young poor daughter dear,I think you go with child, with child,Oh, I think you go with child." "If that be so," Janet says,"Myself shall bear the blameFor there's never a knight in all your courtWill get the baby's name, name,Oh, will get the baby's name." "For if my love were an earthly knightAs he is an elven greyI'd never change my own true loveFor any knight you have, you have,Oh, for any knight you have." Well up then spoke her mother dear,She meant to do her harm,"There grows an herb in CarterhaughWill twine you and the bairn, the bairnOh will twine you and the bairn." Fair Janet tied her kirtle greenA bit above her kneeAnd she has gone to CarterhaughAs fast as go can she, can she,As fast as go can she. She hadn't pulled a single leaf,A leaf but only oneWell, up then came a young Tam LinSays, "Lady pull no more, pull no more,Oh lady pull no more." "How dare you pull a leaf," he says"How dare you break the tree.And how dare you harm the babe," says he,"That lies twixt you and me, and me,That lies twixt you and me." "Oh, tell me the truth, Tam Lin," she says,"If a mortal man you be.""I'll tell you the truth, fair Janet," says he,"I was christened as good as thee, as thee,I was christened as good as thee." "But as I rode out one better winter's dayWhen from my horse I fellThe Queen of Elfland she took meIn yon green hill to dwell, to dwell,In yon green hill to dwell." "And at the end of seven yearsShe pays a tithe to hellAnd I so fair and full of fleshAnd fear it be myself, myself,Oh, I fear it be myself." "But tonight is Hallowe'enAnd the morn is hallow dayAnd win me, win me and ye willFor well I wish you may, you mayOh, well I wish you may." "For at the murk and midnight hourThe fairie folk will rideAnd they that would their true love winAt Miles Cross they must hide, must hide,Oh, at Miles Cross they must hide." "Three companies will pass by the first on horses blackAnd then will pass the brownAnd when you see the milk white steadYou must pull the rider down, down,Oh, you must pull the rider down." "But then they'll change me, oh, in your armsInto many a things so wildBut hold me fast and fear me not.I'm the father of your child, you know,I'm the father of your child." Janet's tied her kirtle greenA bit above her kneeAnd she has to the crossroads goneAs fast as go can she, can she,Oh, as fast as go can she. The cold and gloom was the wayAnd eerie was the nightAnd a crescent moon hung in the skyAnd shown a ghostly white, so bright,Oh, it shown a ghostly white. Just at the murk and midnight hourShe heard the bridles ringAnd that poor girl was afeared at thatAs any mortal thing, any thing,Oh as any mortal thing. Oh three companies did ride by the first on horses blackAnd then there came the brownAnd when she saw the milk white steadShe pulled the rider down, down,Oh, she pulled the rider down. And thunder rolled and roared aboutAnd the stars burned bright as dayAnd the Queen of Elfland she spun roundCrying, "Young Tam Lin's away, awayOh, young Tam Lin's away." And in a flash they changed, oh, in her armsInto a lizard wildBut she held him fast and feared him notHe was the father of her child, child,Oh, he was the father of her child. And in a flash, they changed him, oh, in her armsInto a writhing snakeBut she held him fast and feared him notHe was one of God's own make, she knew,Oh, he was one of God's own make. And in a flash, they changed him, oh, in her armsTo a red hot block of ironBut she held him fast and feared him notAnd it did to her no harm, no harm,And it did to her no harm. And they they changed him, oh, in her armsInto a naked knightAnd she wrapped him in her cloak so boldAnd kept him out of site, site,Oh, she kept him out of site. But up then spoke the Fairy Queen,And fire burned in her eye,"You've stolen away the bonniest knightIn all my company, young girl,Oh, in all my company." "And what I know this knight Tam LinHad I but known beforeI'd have taken out your heart of fleshAnd put in one of stone, of stone,I'd have put in one of stone."