Podcasts about Morgellons

Dr. Deb Muth 00:03What if symptoms that have been dismissed for years aren’t all in your head, but signs of an underlying tick-borne illness or complex chronic condition that needs a different kind of care? Today, we’re talking with Ginger Southley DNP, one of the leading voices in Lyme disease, mortgage, and tick-borne illness care. She brings decades of clinical experience and a deeply patient-centered approach to some of the most misunderstood conditions in medicine. Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting-edge approaches to healing, and empower you with the tools to take charge of your life.I’m Dr. Deb, and today we’re diving into the complex world of Lyme disease, co-infections, more jellins, and the deeper factors that can keep people stuck in chronic illness. If you or someone you love has been struggling with unexplained symptoms, fatigue, brain fog, pain, or a long road to answers, this episode is for you. So, as usual, grab your cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you settle in, and let’s get started on today’s journey toward deeper healing.You guys can put one of the ads in here, that’d be great. No. There we go. Because otherwise, yes, we’re going to get chatting, and we’ll forget. I pre-recorded the intro part, so we can just dive in, and I can ask you, like, how you got into this, and then we can start our conversation again. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:01Okay, I can’t remember what I said last time, but that’s alright, I’ll just… Dr. Deb Muth 02:04So, we need to protect them. Well, welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness now. I have a dear lady, Dr. Ginger. She’s being so gracious because we already goofed up our first recording we did on Riverside a few months ago, and she’s been gracious enough to come back and join us again and do it all over again while we’re actually recording. So, Dr. Savely, welcome to the show. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:26Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. Dr. Deb Muth 02:30Dr. Ginger, tell us a little bit about how you got involved with tick-borne disease and Morgellons, because you are truly a legend in this world, and I’d love for everybody to hear your story. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:42Well, I just to very briefly go over, I got into the tick-borne diseases because my daughter was so very sick with it, and I started learning everything I could, and the next thing I knew, I was picking it up in my… population, I was doing primary care, family practice, and I was picking it up in that group. And then word got around, and next thing I knew, I’m treating a lot of tick-borne disease, became 50% of my practice, then 70% of my practice. And then, a few years into it, I started having, well, first of all, Dr. Harvey, who was a Lyme doctor in Houston, Texas, he and I were constantly communicating about things and comparing notes, and he emailed me and said, have you seen any patients with you know, blue fibers coming out of them? And I said, I don’t think so, but I’ll start looking for it. So, then I did, and I started asking all my Lyme patients about it, just, have you had any unusual things come out of your skin?And once I asked them, then, lo and behold, a certain subset of them said, well, yes, as a matter of fact, I do have that, but I’ve just learned not to mention it, because people think I’m crazy, so I just never, you know, say a word about it. And so I started picking up a lot of these patients, and you know, of course, since I first came at this by way of tick-borne diseases, Lyme, etc. I figured, okay, these people I know have tick-borne disease, so let’s treat that and see if maybe their immune system recovers to the point where they can handle whatever this is causing the Morgellen’s disease. And so that’s the way I approached it at first, just treating underlying infections, since I had no idea what was causing more dilins. I just noted an association with Lyme disease. And so, I put out a paper about 20 years ago. I published a paper that had to do with Basically, one thing… the main point of the paper was correlatingLyme disease with Morgellins, saying that 97% of my Morgellins patients ended up having Lyme or another tick-borne infection. And, so this is… this is the first publication that basically kind of made that correlation, you know, between the line. And I think it’s been taken out of context a lot, misinterpreted. I never for a minute said that Lyme causes more gelins, not at all, and we… that’s a leap way too far for us at this point. I just noticed an association. So, whatever that may mean, who knows? But, you know, certain illnesses, like, for example, AIDS patients are famous for getting thisCarpacea sarcoma. And it doesn’t mean AIDS causes that sarcoma, because other people get it too. It’s just highly associated with the tooth, so… We might be talking about a disease that’s highly associated with tick-borne infections, or maybe it’s caused by a co-infection that we don’t even know about. Or maybe it’s something entirely different, and the tick-borne diseases were just suppressing the immune system to the point where The person succumbed to whatever this was whenever they got into contact with it.And so, I began, you know, just experimenting and trying different cocktails of things to see what would work. And as I began to treat, I realized that The more jealous patients did notget better with a Lyme protocol. They got better when I used a Bartonella protocol, a specific group of antibiotics that’s used to treat the Bartonella infection. Now, again, I’m not saying for a minute Bartonella causes more gelin, but I’m just saying that when I use the treatment for Bartonella, that’s when I get the best results on my mortgageellin’s patients. And I also have noticed that my Morgellen’s patients tend to have other symptoms that are typical Bartonella symptoms, like a lot of the neuropsychiatric symptoms, neuropsychiatric, sorry, and the, the streaks that they’ll get on them, the red tracks. Spontaneous scratches, all that. So those we do see on our Bartonella patients that don’t have more gelin.So, I started… it was… my early patients were, I would always say, you’re the lab rats, because we’re just experimenting with everything, and they were more than willing. I mean, these people were so desperate, they were so miserable, and so… upset by the way they’ve been treated by the medical establishment, that they were, every one of them, at a point of saying. I don’t care what you give me. it… if it… even if it kills me, I’d rather be dead than have to deal with this, you know? Dr. Deb Muth 08:07Try something, right? Dr. Ginger Savely 08:08That’s pretty drastic, I know, but that’s where they were. They were at a point where, I don’t care, I’ll take any risk just to do this. However, I’ve always been using FDA-approved medications, and, you know, it’s just… naturally, I’m treating, sort of in my own, kind of invented way, because there’s no textbooks you can go to for this, there’s no algorithms, there’s no treatment protocols for this, because more than half of the medical world doesn’t even believe it exists. So, we… you know, I looked very carefully at all these patients in my office with magnified, lighted magnification, and I was seeing amazing things. I mean, I couldn’t believe it. Sometimes the hair on the back of my neck would stand out when I would see these things, because You know, bright blue fibers are not supposed to be coming out of the human body. And I would even pull at them with the tweezers, and, you know, they would not come out, so it wasn’t like a matter of they were just stuck on there, you know, from fabrics or something, as dermatologists often claim is the case. Dr. Deb Muth 09:24I had a patient once with Morgellons, and she got a magnification glass that she could attach to her phone, and she, like, took pictures of what was coming out of her skin and video recorded it and sent it to me, and oh my gosh, it’s crazy. crazy how these things come out. And if you don’t see it under a microscope like that, it’s really hard to understand what’s going on. Dr. Ginger Savely 09:48Exactly. And, you know, what we’ve always said is dermatologists usually carry about a 12X scope in their pocket, but you need really more like 60X to see this stuff, because very rarely can you see it with the naked eye. I mean, sometimes you can, but you do need that lighted magnification in order to see it. I do have some patients come to me, they have all the symptoms more jealous, but they say, I don’t think I have fibers, and I said, well. but you… have you really looked with magnification? They said, well, no, I just thought I’d see them, and I… so then it turns out they actually do have them, but… Yeah. So I… I’ve been fascinated mostly then in treating these patients by how… diverse each patient is, because I can develop a protocol that’s working fantastically on this patient, and try it on the next patient. It doesn’t work at all. Dr. Deb Muth 10:49So… Dr. Ginger Savely 10:50So, it’s just back to the drawing board, every single patient. And of course, there’s a huge variance in degree of severity of this illness. I have everyone… everywhere from people who are totally functional, going to work, and just have this annoying thing going on, all the way to people who are just completely marred and disfigured and can’t even get out of bed. So, you know, of course, there’s quite a difference there, and naturally, it’s a lot more difficult to treat the more severe cases. And often with the more severe cases. Our best hope is reducing symptoms significantly to where they’re tolerable. But in the very severe cases, I don’t think I’ve ever had a person yet get 100% well. But I do have plenty of others that have gotten 100% well, but maybe they wouldn’t fall into the most serious category, you know. So, but I, I’ve, tried everything. I have tried… antifungal protocols, antiviral, anti-helminthic, and, you know, just… I’ve tried it all, I swear, I don’t think there’s anything I haven’t tried. And, you know, sometimes you hit on what works for that patient, and it might not… it might be a surprise.I had one patient, I’d been trying the antibiotics with her, we weren’t getting anywhere, and then I just started treating her with itraconazole, an antifungal, and she just… got so much better. And I think probably because in that case, one of her main immune challenges was some… she was probably exposed to mold, she had probably had colonization in her sinuses or wherever else in her body of the mold. So, that… I think if you can find the main thing that’s… really dragging the immune system down and work on that thing, then hopefully you’ll lighten the load on the immune system to where this Morgelins can take care of itself. Because we do know a lot of people get it and barely get sick at all. A lot of times, people will tell me their spouse, or… their child, or somebody says, oh, they’ve had, like, two tiny lesions, and they’ve had a couple of fibers, and basically, that’s it. So, by that, I’m assuming that You know, this is something that usually only those who are very immune-challenged actually come down with. And that’s what I’ve found through the years, that they are immune-challenged. I’ve had AIDS patients with this. I’ve had people on high-dose corticosteroids because they had an immune… some kind of autoimmune problem.I’ve had several organ transplant patients, because they’re given strong immunosuppressants to… so they won’t reject the organ. So, it’s not 100% Lyme patients, and that’s the thing where I disagree with some of the researchers who are trying to propose the idea that Morgillon’s is a dermatologic manifestation of Lyme. No, I mean, I know how to diagnose Lyme disease. It’s a clinical diagnosis. I have patients that not only are just zero, zero nothing on hygienics.They have not one single symptom of tick-borne disease. When you give them antibiotics, they don’t hurt, because they don’t get better. There is no indication that they have Lyme or co-infection, but they have all the awful skin stuff. And in fact, I have found through the years that those people are kind of my hardest ones to treat, because I don’t know what to work with. You know, I don’t… I don’t want to give them all these antibiotics for tick-borne disease if they don’t really have that. Dr. Deb Muth 14:54Right, hard to find that initial trigger, right? That’s what we’re always looking. Dr. Ginger Savely 14:58Yes, exactly. That industry. Dr. Deb Muth 15:00If we can’t find the initial trigger, how do you know where to start? It’s like a guessing game. Dr. Ginger Savely 15:04I know, so… and of course, the other thing I’ve discovered through the years is that Another immune challenge that is common to all these patients is mold toxicity. So, if I don’t… can’t find any particular infection to treat. Then I… I start thinking about the possibility of… that the patient is mold toxic, that they are… they are living in now, or previously lived in, a moldy home, or maybe they… sometimes they work in a moldy place. Dr. Deb Muth 15:38to him. Dr. Ginger Savely 15:39And for, you know, one quarter of the population, this can be… these mycotoxins are just huge immune suppressants. And so. I used to test that genetic haplotype test that Dr. Shoemaker does. I used to do it on all my more jealous patients. every single one of them came out mold susceptible. So after a while, I just stopped doing it, because I kind of got the point. And also, you know, it’s an expensive test, and insurance often doesn’t cover it. So, But anyway, that… that is… excuse me, I gotta take a drink here, my mouth is dry. Okay, so, alright. Now, of course, I have to figure out where I was. What were you saying? Dr. Deb Muth 16:27We were talking about mold in Schumacher. Dr. Ginger Savely 16:28Oh, yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 16:30for that. Dr. Ginger Savely 16:31Yeah, so you know, mold is the big thing now, right? I mean, I know you’re looking at… we’re all looking at it. I’ve been in the Lyme world long enough to remember back when we didn’t, and we were always so baffled by some of our patients just didn’t get better. Why aren’t they getting better? I’m doing the same thing with them. They’re not getting better. And then come to find out is, you know, they had this, these mycotoxins that they… their body was not able to detox. You know, these people can’t detox the mycotoxins on their own, so… They’re… they’re quite an immune suppressant if you’ve got those going on, so… There’s other things that hold people back from getting well, of course. I find that my PTSD patients can’t get well unless they’re really actively working on the PTSD by going to therapy groups, whatever, you know, it is.I find that people who live in a smoky home where people smoke… well, I don’t even take patients who smoke, because that’s just so counterproductive. to getting well, but sometimes you could look at a home where everybody’s smoking, you know, and that passive smoke, too, is so bad, too. So… and then, of course, I’ve got people, unfortunately, that may be living in abusive situations and can’t get out, and that is also another thing that just halts the treatment.So, you know, everybody… a lot of times people will get online and say, you can never get well from this, don’t even believe anybody that says you can get well. Well, you know, that might be the case in your case, because we don’t know all the various immune challenges you have. But every single patient is different, and that’s why I really can’t publish a protocol or anything like that. Dr. Deb Muth 18:23Yeah, because… Dr. Ginger Savely 18:24it’s kind of more of an art than a science, almost. You know, you just have to feel your way through it, but I… through the years, I have, kind of. start… I found that there’s two antibiotics. If I start with those two, I’m pretty much always going to get some kind of a good response, and that is, a sulfa drug and clarithromycin, the two of them together. Now, that’s not all I do, but that’s a starting point, and I often tell other doctors, look, if you’re going to refer them to me, get them started on those two drugs, you know, just… that’ll already help some. Yeah. And now, of course, a lot of people are allergic to sulfa, so then we have. Dr. Deb Muth 19:10to go. Dr. Ginger Savely 19:11We have to go with something else. But there’s… there’s a lot of different combinations, but basically, I’ve found that, like, if I really go after that Bartonella, and I do a combination, like, the sulfa. doxycycline and, rifabutin, for example. Those… those really get us somewhere. But it’s not… never a quick fix, you know, it’s… it takes a lot of patience, because It’s… it’s slow to get over this. Dr. Deb Muth 19:42Yeah, it seems like, you know, a lot of what we’re talking about in the tick-borne world these days, too, is immune system, right? And there’s so many new things that we’re learning. I was having a conversation with one of the docs from Invita Medical, and they were saying they are seeing a lot of their Bartonella patients are developing cancer. And so all of these things that suppress our immune system, and there’s so many in the world, right? Do you think that’s partially why so many people get overlooked and misdiagnosed when it comes to a tick-borne illness or a mortgage illness? Because they’re… they’re not looking at the root, they’re not looking at the immune system, they’re just kind of looking at symptoms, and of course, everybody thinks these people are crazy, because they have so many bizarre. Dr. Ginger Savely 20:26Symptoms, you know. Well, you know, I always tell my patients, like, if they have to fill out a form or something saying what they have. I always say, say you have Bartonellosis, because Lyme is a trigger word, Magellan’s doesn’t exist. Yes. So, just put you… and you know, when they take that to another doctor. 9 times out of 10, the other doctor doesn’t even know what that is. Dr. Deb Muth 20:52they don’t… Dr. Ginger Savely 20:53They know what cat scratch disease is, they know that name, and that’s an. Dr. Deb Muth 20:58cute. Dr. Ginger Savely 20:58Bartonellosis. But if you say Bartonella to them, they’re kind of confused. And so, in a certain sense, that’s kind of a good thing, because it’s better than it being a knee-jerk reaction, like, get out of here, you’re crazy. Dr. Deb Muth 21:13Time doesn’t exist, what are you talking about? Dr. Ginger Savely 21:15Oh, right. Dr. Deb Muth 21:16Right, it’s… Dr. Ginger Savely 21:17It’s just a… it’s a trigger word, too, but they’re kind of baffled with the Bartonella, like, oh, wait a minute, what is this? Dr. Deb Muth 21:23Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 21:24Yeah, that’s always, I think, a good approach to do. But, yeah, I’m always pointing out to my patients that it’s a lot easier to catch Bartonella than Lyme, because there’s so many… there are more different vectors for Bartonella than any other vector-borne infection. So, there’s a number of different bites you can get where you can get Bartonella, and I notice a lot of my patients start having more gellens after a flea infestation, and flea… fleas can give you Bartonella, correct? Dr. Deb Muth 21:58Huh? Dr. Ginger Savely 21:58Cat scratches can, too. A lot of them will bite. Dr. Deb Muth 22:01noceums? Dr. Ginger Savely 22:02It’s like, and in fact, who knows? We don’t even really know all the ones that could possibly give Bartonella, so… Bartonella needs to be really high up on the list of the differential, and it’s not on the list at all with, you know, most. Dr. Deb Muth 22:20Hmm. Dr. Ginger Savely 22:21I don’t even think infectious disease doctors, but certainly not primary care doctors. So, I don’t know what the connection is with Bartonella. It may just simply be, coincidentally, the same things that treat Bartonella, treat this, who knows? The thing is, to say anything like. so-and-so causes more gelands, we’re not even close to being there, you know, in terms of the little research we have. Sure, we have research that shows the presence of certain pathogens in the lesions. But correlation does not equal causation, so we don’t know what that means, that they’re there. But interestingly, they’re about… I think I put this in my book, even, that they’re about, 15 different kinds of skin lesions, where if the patient has Lyme you can biopsy the lesion, and you’ll find Borrelia, the spirochetes, the causative agent of Lyme, in the lesions.So, did the Lyme cause those? nobody knows, because Lyme bacteria loves to go to the weakest part of the body, and so it’s gonna go to any, like, a lesion, it’s gonna go there, because it’s a weak part of the body, so… it may be there just for that reason. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s causing it. So, lots and lots of work to do in terms of research on this, but it’s very difficult, because, you know, money, we don’t have money for it, and . Dr. Deb Muth 24:07Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 24:08There’s no… Dr. Deb Muth 24:08There’s money behind it if we don’t have a drug to fix it. Dr. Ginger Savely 24:10Oh, yeah, that’s true. I mean, you know, we just can’t really get anybody interested in it, like CDC, or… you know, they just are… they did such a… you know, they… they just didn’t really put their heart into doing that one little research study they did. They used all the wrong patients. They didn’t even have an inclusion criteria for the patients, and so they actually… admitted patients to the study that, yeah, they didn’t have more tones. You know, they basically admitted everybody who’d been in with something itchy. You know, of course, a lot of those people didn’t have itchy, so it was… it was so crazy. But, yeah, I feel very… constantly very frustrated that… nobody’s really looking into this, because it is amazing what it can do. I have patients with big holes in their faces, you know. I have a patient who developed, cervical cancer while I was treating her. She had the treatment for it. And it all started out, though, when the doctor saw a huge lesion on her cervix, and when trying to get a little scraping, like to do a biopsy. it just… a hole opened up. Just a hole. Dr. Deb Muth 25:31Gosh. Dr. Ginger Savely 25:32And this is what happens to a lot of my patients, is, like, they develop, kind of, craters in their face. deep holes. Dr. Deb Muth 25:39So… Dr. Ginger Savely 25:40There are so many aspects to this disease. I mean, it’s way more than just the fibers, the filaments. Right, exactly. There’s so many other odd things that’s going on, you know, they all have this sort of a sticky thing all over their skin. Biofilm? I don’t know, but, you know, that’s… they all complain about that like a black tarry stuff coming out of their skin. All the different things that come out, too, you know, they look like, some of them look… do look like little tiny white maggots, and so you can kind of see why people… Do think that they have some kind of an infestation, because an infestation means when you have something along the lines of a, you know, flea, lice, you know, that sort of thing. But many, many patients come to me convinced that that’s what they have. I don’t know, maybe some of my patients do have that as well, but some of the symptoms are very unique to Morgellins, and primarily one. The one symptom that is totally unique to Morgellons is these filaments of different colors that come out. And you can compare Morgillins to, in fact, I did in my book, to any number Of, dermatologic manifestations, and… you can find them that are almost exactly like it, but always the one difference being that Margellis has the fibers, and that other diagnosis does not. So, many of my patients have been misdiagnosed with one of those other things, because the… I think the… the dermatologist or whoever gave the diagnosis wasn’t really looking carefully and didn’t really believe the patient when they said they had filaments. They usually think, oh, they’re just from your clothes, they’re just stuck in you. Dr. Deb Muth 27:32don’t know, they, they don’t. Dr. Ginger Savely 27:34Yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 27:34unfortunately. Dr. Ginger Savely 27:36But they don’t have the curiosity either, which is mind-blowing. Dr. Deb Muth 27:40I know, right? Dr. Ginger Savely 27:41Yeah. If it’s… Dr. Deb Muth 27:42Just kind of straightforward, black and white, that’s all I do. So, Dr. Ginger, how do we help patients feel believed again after being dismissed so long and by so many doctors that. Dr. Ginger Savely 27:55Yeah, huh? Dr. Deb Muth 27:56just don’t know, just don’t know what they don’t know, but they’re trying to be helpful, and unfortunately, sometimes they’re not. They’re hurting the patient by telling them that this is all in their head, or… Dr. Ginger Savely 28:06Yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 28:06It’s just. Dr. Ginger Savely 28:07I mean, of course, we just need some more… much more education of the doctors, right? Dr. Deb Muth 28:13Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 28:13They’re the ones that really need… but there are some things that patients do need to be very careful about, and this is just all in the world of learning how to tiptoe around doctors. One thing, never say the M word. If you go in, never say… don’t even suggest it. Just go in there, like, kind of dumb, like, oh, you know, I’ve got this thing going on, what do you think it is? You know, you don’t want to do that. You don’t ever want to suggest a diagnosis either, just act stupid, because that way… They’ll really look into it, you know? Dr. Deb Muth 28:49Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 28:50You suggest a diagnosis, then they get irritated, and they just don’t want to even look into it any further. So, you do just sort of have to play dumb a little bit, and just go, gosh, what could this be? I can… you know, and tell the symptoms. Now, even my patients have done that, though. they… a lot of times, they feel, maybe the doctor doesn’t say they’re crazy, but they just feel like they’re kind of brushed aside, like, yeah, well, okay, just put some cortisone cream on it, or, you know, that kind of thing. And I think that just sort of speaks to what’s happened in our medical system lately. I’m very disturbed to hear the stories of people saying they… they… the doctor spent very little time with them. Seemed rushed, didn’t even look at them, didn’t even touch them, certainly didn’t look a magnifier. And it’s… I’m very distressed by the state of healthcare in our country, how this is happening to people. People feel very, very disillusioned with healthcare nowadays. They don’t trust doctors anymore, because, you know, they’ve loved. Dr. Deb Muth 29:58Right. Dr. Ginger Savely 29:58Right. So many times, and so, yeah, I don’t know what we’re gonna do about that predicament. Dr. Deb Muth 30:05I know, my mother-in-law’s 86, and she told me when she went for her physical last year, they… they never took her clothes off, they didn’t even listen to her heart or lungs, or feel her liver, nothing. There was… I said, well, that’s not a physical exam! Dr. Ginger Savely 30:19You know what that is? It’s a Medicare wellness check. Dr. Deb Muth 30:22That’s a… Dr. Ginger Savely 30:22You have to get a Medicare well… but all… this is a Medicare wellness check. They ask you, like, 5 questions. Have you fallen? You know, da-da-da-da. They ask you the questions. I think they weigh you and, you know, review… So, no, it’s not a real physical, it’s just something to make Medicare happy. But, yeah, I know people start being overlooked as they get older. They just kind of, you know, we’re old, whatever, you know, so they don’t… they don’t worry so much. And I’ve had patients as old as… I guess my oldest patient with this was 88. And those… those older people are so miserable, too, when they have this, and they really are just not so much told they’re crazy, but just kind of, whatever. Yeah, their doctors are just not… not particularly interested in what’s going on with them. Dr. Deb Muth 31:17You’re old, what more do you expect? I hear that a lot from my older clients, that that’s. Dr. Ginger Savely 31:21And they’re. Dr. Deb Muth 31:21old. Dr. Ginger Savely 31:22I remember when my father lived to be 94, and the thing that frustrated… and he was a PhD in physiology, so he’d actually worked with MDs a lot, and… Dr. Deb Muth 31:32Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 31:32He, he, he used to get so angry, about, about that whole situation, you know? It’s… he, would often say, you know, I go to the doctor, I complain about a pain, and they laugh and say, what do you expect? You’re 90. You know, and my dad was always very active to the end, and he didn’t… it was unusual for him to have the pain, and you know, it should have been looked into rather than just… scoffed at like that. Dr. Deb Muth 32:03missed. Dr. Ginger Savely 32:03It is a problem, you know, in our system, and you don’t find too many specialists in advanced care, in geriatric, whatever you want to call it. I’m… I’m fast approaching that age myself, so I hate to use the word geriatric I think I’m technically geriatric right now, but I can’t… Dr. Deb Muth 32:25We’ll just bypass, that’s just a number. Dr. Ginger Savely 32:27Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so… Dr. Deb Muth 32:32Andrew, this is a great conversation. I always like to end our show with one last question, and this is always a doozy, so you’ll have to put your thinking cap, or you’ll have to calm yourself when I ask this one. If there was one thing you could change in our medical system today, what would it be? Dr. Ginger Savely 32:52that… Well, it would all have to do with insurance, because insurance is the thing that’s making doctors feel so rushed that they can’t really take time and listen to the patient and properly examine them, because in order to make enough money, with what insurance reimburses them, they just have to, you know, move them in. Dr. Deb Muth 33:12knowing that. Dr. Ginger Savely 33:13And so, you know, if doctors were given… and I bet some of them would really enjoy being able to spend more time with the patient and really listen, but they just can’t because of the way the way it’s all rigged up with health insurance. And so, I want… I want to think that doctors would be happy to do that if they were able to, but, you know, that’s the thing is, I remember writing a paper, even when I was in my undergraduate. about the importance of validation, and this is way before I knew anything about Morgellons, but it was just, like, a big deal to me, like, you know, people need to be listened to and heard, and not brushed off, and validation… You know, when people are validated. they already feel 50% better. It’s just, you know, people will say that after the first visit with me, and I haven’t even done anything yet, that they already feel better, because somebody’s finally taking them seriously, and listening to them, and really… caring, and that’s… I mean, shouldn’t that be basic to all healthcare? I would think it should be, but it’s just not always the case these days, I see. Dr. Deb Muth 34:31Yeah, I agree, I agree. Well, for people who are listening to us, and they’re like, I want to talk with her, I want to meet her, how do they find you? Dr. Ginger Savely 34:41Well, the email address is Lyme DC, Lime, L-Y-M-E-D-C as in District of Columbia, that’s where my office is, limedc at gmail.com. And that is, the address to ask for a new patient packet. I am still accepting new patients. Usually takes a couple months to get in, but I have people fill out paperwork first. sometimes… I mean, I accept most patients, but there’s occasionally, when I look at the history, if they’ve already been to 15 other Lyme doctors, I might not. But, you know, I just like to know in advance as much as I can. Dr. Deb Muth 35:24Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 35:24about the patient, because it’s very hard to… you know, I… I can’t really give advice to Mordellin’s people who just talk to me briefly, because, oh my gosh, I need to know so much, I need to know… Dr. Deb Muth 35:34I’m. Dr. Ginger Savely 35:34so much about their history, and their… I mean, it’s just… and I think people get frustrated with me because you know, come on, just give me… give me some tips here real quick, and I was like, it’s so dependent on your story. It’s so individualized that I can’t… I don’t feel even good about trying to give advice to somebody just randomly out of the blue like that. And it… I guess maybe it makes people frustrated and makes them think, oh, you just want the money or something. No, I mean, it’s a lot of responsibility for me, what I do. I’ve been doing… I’ve been taking care of more jealous patients for 25 years. It’s put me at very high risk. I’ve been investigated before by my board, and I’ll tell you, it was not… not a very pleasant thing to go through. And so I said, yeah, I have to keep a little bit of a low profile, and, you know…Yep. And so, people just need to understand that if somebody is taking care of their mortgage, that the healthcare provider who’s taking care of them, they’re taking a personal risk, because they’re doing something that’s not accepted. By the general medical population and by their regulatory board, and so they could very well be called out and even lose their license for doing it. Dr. Deb Muth 36:58Yeah, very much so. It’s good to… to point that out, because these doctors, we’re all putting our neck on the line to help these patients, and sometimes the patients don’t appreciate that or don’t understand that, and they can put us in arm’s way without… sometimes without realizing it, sometimes on purpose. Dr. Ginger Savely 37:16You know, most of my patients, though, are just… they’re so protective of me. You know, they go to the ER for something, and then they’ll say, well, who’s treating your… Dr. Deb Muth 37:27anonymous. Dr. Ginger Savely 37:27so-called Mordellins. well, don’t worry about it, I have a good provider. You know, they just won’t even give my name. But like you say, sometimes accidentally it has happened, and then I get a call from some ER doctor, and it’s usually ER. Dr. Deb Muth 37:44remote. Dr. Ginger Savely 37:44room doctor yelling and screaming at me, and, you know. Dr. Deb Muth 37:48Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 37:48Like, oh… Dr. Deb Muth 37:50Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 37:50So… Dr. Deb Muth 37:51It’s unfortunate, isn’t it? I had a patient recently see another GI doctor who said, if I prescribed 3 different antibiotics at one time, I’d lose my license. And I’m like, oh, well, not really, but… and, you know, and it upset the patient quite a bit, because now they look at me and they think I’m doing something wrong, because the conventional person told them that it was a problem, and it’s really sad how those things happen. Dr. Ginger Savely 38:16Well, this is something that’s really gotten me very annoyed lately, is when pharmacists see things prescribed that they’re worried about, their job is to contact the doctor and say. Dr. Deb Muth 38:28Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 38:29Are you really sure about this? You know, no, what they’re doing is scaring the patients to death. Dr. Deb Muth 38:35Right. Dr. Ginger Savely 38:35They’re saying, okay, here’s what your doctor gave you, but I’m just going to warn you, I mean, geez, taking all those at once, gee, I wouldn’t, you know, and that’s the way they’re talking. So then they lose faith in me, and they don’t realize I’ve been doing this so long, and I’ve had so many thousands of people take this. I know from experience not going to hurt them. But, you know, the pharmacist just read it in a book somewhere, so they assume that it’s going to be awful for. Dr. Deb Muth 39:02Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 39:02But that’s… that’s very unprofessional of them to do that. That’s not really their job to do that, but I… it’s happening a lot, I see that. Dr. Deb Muth 39:11happening a lot. Instead of just picking up the phone and calling the doctor. They’re, like you said, upsetting the patient, or calling the board, or those kinds of things. And what happened to that professional courtesy and that exchange of our knowledge bases? You know, I’ve gone to the pharmacy and picked something up, and the pharmacist looks at me, he says, I don’t know what this drug is. And it happened during the pandemic, when I was prescribed hydroxychloroquine, and I’m like, you don’t know what hydroxychloroquine is? Dr. Ginger Savely 39:41Pharmacist? I was like… Dr. Deb Muth 39:43Really? And it was an older pharmacist, and I was like, really? And I… I was like, at first I thought, are you just saying that because you don’t understand why you’re giving it to somebody, or are you saying that to hope that I say something different? Dr. Ginger Savely 39:57Yes. Dr. Deb Muth 39:57Really surprising to me how many medications… Dr. Ginger Savely 40:00Question? Dr. Deb Muth 40:01Yeah, yeah. How many medications the pharmacist really claim they don’t know anything about, or they don’t know how to use it? That’s their job, to know about. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:10Sorry, it’s. Dr. Deb Muth 40:11It’s very scary these days. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:12I’m seeing a lot more incompetence in pharmacists, so many scary mistakes being made all the time now. All started with the pandemic. Yep. Ever since the pandemic, pharmacies are making tons of mistakes. Dr. Deb Muth 40:25Yeah. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:25I remember getting so mad at one one time. I said, look, you have one of the two careers where you’re never, ever allowed to make a mistake. Air traffic controllers and you. Dr. Deb Muth 40:35That’s right. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:36Unfortunately, I’m sorry for you, but you cannot make mistakes. Dr. Deb Muth 40:40Yeah, they can’t. I mean, it can be deadly for them, and they do. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:44Yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 40:45Unfortunately, I think, you know, it’s who they’re hiring, it’s the corporate aspect of the pharmacy these days. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:52Probably so. Dr. Deb Muth 40:53Yeah, it’s a… it’s a big mess. Dr. Ginger Savely 40:55Well, I don’t… I didn’t mean this little part here to scare people. I’m sorry about that, I didn’t… didn’t intend to do that, but I just feel like one thing I would do… I do, is if I… if you go pick up a prescription, don’t walk away from the counter yet. Look at it. Look at the bottle, make sure… Dr. Deb Muth 41:17Hmm? Dr. Ginger Savely 41:18That’s what you’re supposed to get, that the quantity’s right, that everything’s good. Dr. Deb Muth 41:23Because once… Dr. Ginger Savely 41:23you walk away from the… you don’t have any recourse. Right. So before you even leave, you know, just… just check it out and make sure. That’s right. And a lot of times, people are given the wrong quantity, or any number So, they. Dr. Deb Muth 41:36They don’t tell you that your insurance won’t dispense the full amount. Dr. Ginger Savely 41:40Right, they just, they just… Dr. Deb Muth 41:41They don’t have it all on stock, so they’re only giving you a partial fill. They won’t tell you any of those things, and then you. Dr. Ginger Savely 41:47Right. Dr. Deb Muth 41:48Call and get that information from them after the fact, and it’s not fun to try to do that, for sure. Dr. Ginger Savely 41:53Oh my gosh, no. I hate calling pharmacies. Dr. Deb Muth 41:56I know, me too. Well, Dr. Ginger, this was such a great conversation. Is there anything else you want to leave our listeners with before you and I sign off? Dr. Ginger Savely 42:04I just want them to have hope. That’s the most important thing. Because many patients with Morgellons do give up hope, and there’s a high suicide rate in this group. And, you know, don’t… don’t give up hope. Don’t give up. There’s… there are people out there who can help you. I’m not the only one. There aren’t many of us, but there are some other I would be able to refer you to if I can’t take you on. And, you know, just… Just know that there are those of us out there who believe in this, we know it’s real, and we’re just desperately trying to see what we can do to help. Dr. Deb Muth 42:46Well, thank you for all your years of support and patient-centered approach. It’s definitely a blessing to have you. Thank you. Dr. Ginger Savely 42:54Alright, thank you so much for having me. Dr. Deb Muth 43:01Where am I? Thank you so much for joining me today on Let’s Talk Wellness Now. Dr. Savely’s decades of experience working with Lyme disease, co-infection, and Morgellins, and your compassionate, patient-centered approach. are such an important reminder that healing starts with being heard, believed, and truly understood. If this conversation resonates with you, I encourage you to share it with someone who may be searching for answers and hope on their healing journey. Remember, complex chronic illness is not something you have to navigate alone. For more information about Dr. Savely’s work, visit her on her website, and we’ll put those links below. And until next time, I’m Dr. Deb, reminding you to take care of your body, mind, and spirit. Be well, and we’ll see you on the next episode. The post Episode 273 – The Hidden Truth About Morgellons, Lyme Disease & Bartonella | Dr. Ginger Savely first appeared on Let's Talk Wellness Now.

The etymology of “discourage” is de-hearted — courage taken away. Four ways to get it back, why platforms aren't witness, and an original closing song.Crystal Clear proves again how delusional she is on this episode where she waxes philosophic on the word discourage — cor, Latin for heart, so to discourage is to take the heart out, and to encourage is to put it back. Four ways to re-heart that aren't the kitten-on-a-blanket poster version:Anger over reassurance — indignation re-hearts faster than “you can do it,” and it's why “you can't” sometimes works better.Find a witness — courage is partly social, which is the whole problem with what platforms sell as witness.One small concrete move — the next single step shrinks the mountain back to a molehill.Reconnect to the stakes — discouragement is usually the stakes dimming. Remember what you refuse to lose.Plus: aim the anger somewhere that moves. The open records requests still outstanding — OSU (filed Feb 23) and the Stony Brook FOIL on the 2007 Morgellons research — and an invitation to file your own.Closing original song "Collections"— claps in triplets, a sleepy acoustic loop, and a lyrical thesis on why there's no influencer presence here: no name in the public domain, but in the private sphere I have no fear. They capitalize on all of our lives. They need us more than we need them.For the SEO demons I love so much: Morgellons, More Morgellons podcast, Crystal Clear, etymology of courage, discouragement, FOIA, FOIL request, open records at OSU Tulsa, Stony Brook NY Morgellons research, platform capture, attention economy, why I have no social media but still somehow manage to be the most self-absorbed humanborg on the planet, and original music by The Worms. “We can't say no to pain, but we can say no to suffering. I can transmute fear into anger and isolation into connection.”-CC

Crystal provides the recipe for living with the terror of morgellons. She didn't make this recipe up, she pulled it from God's cook book and scrambles up the cortisol omelette into something that can actually feed your spirit, body and mind the peace it needs.

A listener returns to the show and pulls a fiber out of a factory-sealed package. Science pulls a “consistent with” out of its ass. Only one of those folks is being honest.Also, Crystal's baaack, and I'm open the only sane way: with Ren calling in at 9:30am holding a mystery fiber and the question every exiled patient eventually screams into the void. No diagnosis, no PhD cosplay — just two hella sexy middle-aged hotties who actually have this thing ... proving that you can have morgs and a life. But part of that life requires people practice. I know, you might be out of practice, but maybe today you pick up the phone, go for the walk, say something to a stranger. That helps this more than anything, so CC says. Thus, Healing first. Receipts second.Then Crystal sharpens the knives. Thirty years, six continents, identical symptom, zero shared telephone game — and somehow the verdict was “mass hysteria”? Bestie, hysteria needs a group chat. We put the CDC's “unexplained dermopathy” under the lamp, where “consistent with cotton” turns out to be the lab-coat version of a suppressed fart, and the raw spectra that'd settle the mystery for some reason mysteriously never got published. And our physical fibers under intact skin sits there being rude and real while everyone calls it a belief we have or a feeling. Bruh, it's a photograph. We don't claim to know the cause. We claim somebody got handed an object, refused to name it, and then billed us, defamed us and exiled us for the audacity of asking.“Consistent with cotton. It's consistent with cowardice.” -C.C.Tags Morgellons, Morgellons disease, Morgellons fibers, unexplained dermopathy, CDC Morgellons study, delusional parasitosis, is Morgellons real, medical gaslighting, chronic illness, patient advocacy, nurse podcastConnect Slide into the inbox, leave a voice or text note at the site moremorgellons.com and do not forget to rate, review, subscribe and smear your black goo all over that play button so you can just loop your way thru all 19 seasons of the Morgellons SURVIVAL GUIDE CC has built with the help of listeners from all over the world. Please, offer your voice to this archive. It will not be censored, it will not be twisted, and your story will be accepted as true and trusted... unless you claim to be sexier than Crystal, which scientifically speaking is impossible. That will be debunked. Everything else goes!

 TICK ATTACK: Bioweapon Ticks Causing Alpha Gal Syndrome & Meat Allergy | Neph 2 AmericaDavid Lee Corbo (The Raven) flies solo on Neph 2 America and exposes the terrifying tick invasion — engineered bioweapons released from military bases that trigger Lyme disease, Morgellons, and the explosive rise of Alpha Gal Syndrome, turning meat lovers allergic to red meat, pork, and animal byproducts overnight.From personal family hiking horror stories in Florida to the real science and conspiracy behind weaponized ticks, this episode connects the dots.Plus explosive updates on alien disclosure:• Congresswoman Lauren Boebert reveals classified UFO files showing GIANT NEPHILIM DEMONS• Bob Lazar claims JESUS was genetically engineered by non-human entities• Underwater UAP activity, hybrid breeding programs, and fallen angel bloodlinesRaven also announces the full Bohemian Grove lineup, new Nephilim Death Squad merch, and the upcoming Phone Booth Podcast crossover.If you're into conspiracy, biblical prophecy, UAP disclosure, Nephilim giants, or just hate ticks… this one's for you.Support the show & unlock early episodes + ad-free + exclusive community:https://patreon.com/NephilimDeathSquadTickets to Bohemian Grove (August 8th, Wildwood, FL) + official merch:https://TopLobsta.com00:00 Intro & Solo Episode Welcome02:45 Patreon Plug, Merch, & TopLobster Discount05:20 Bohemian Grove Tickets Announcement (Aug 8, Wildwood, FL)08:40 Nancy Joins the Stream + Live Confusion Story12:10 Tick Attack Begins – Family Hike Nightmare in Ocala National Forest17:50 Wife's Alpha Gal Syndrome & Meat Allergy Reality22:30 Last Year's Massive Tick Infestation During Family Photos27:40 Alpha Gal Video Clip – Man Covered in Hives, Can't Eat Meat33:05 Ticks as Engineered Bioweapon Released from Military Base in Ohio38:40 Mosquito Bathroom Apocalypse Rant + “What's the Point of Ticks?”44:20 Chat Reactions – Dingus' Wife, Doritos, Gummies, Throat Closing49:10 Potential Alpha Gal “Cures” – Fasting, Detox, Avoidance53:50 Lauren Boebert Drops Bombshell on Classified UFO Files & Giant Nephilim Demons1:00:25 Disclosure Fatigue + “Why Are Hot Congresswomen Leading This?”1:06:40 Bob Lazar Claim: Jesus Was Genetically Engineered by Non-Humans1:13:15 Hybrid Breeding Programs, Fallen Angels & Nephilim Bloodlines1:19:40 Truth or Con Event Announcement (Nov 7-8, Texas)1:24:10 Nephilim Death Squad Video Game Tease + Arcade Machine Reveal1:27:50 Final Thoughts, Sport Drink Plug & Outro  Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/nephilim-death-squad--6389018/support.☠️ Nephilim Death Squad — New episodes 5x/week.Join our Patreon for early access, bonus shows & the private Telegram hive.Subscribe on YouTube & Rumble, follow @NephilimDSquad on X/Instagram, grab merch at toplobsta.com. Questions/bookings: chroniclesnds@gmail.com — Stay dangerous.

Could the growing conflict surrounding Iran involve far more than geopolitics and military strategy? In this mind-bending and deeply controversial episode, Dr. Christopher Macklin joins Michael Jaco to discuss the possibility that hidden spiritual and extraterrestrial forces may be influencing world events behind the scenes — including theories surrounding ancient stargates, multidimensional portals, and negative extraterrestrial entities connected to specific regions of the planet. Christopher shares insights from decades of healing work involving individuals who report experiences with extraterrestrial encounters, multidimensional interference, energetic attachments, and spiritual trauma. According to Macklin, many conflicts taking place globally may involve layers of reality that go far beyond what is publicly understood. The conversation explores the idea that certain locations on Earth may hold energetic or multidimensional significance and that ongoing geopolitical struggles could be tied to hidden battles over access, control, and influence connected to these ancient energetic systems. Topics discussed include: Stargates and multidimensional portals Negative extraterrestrial influence on humanity The spiritual significance of the Iran region Pleiadian and Arcturian healing perspectives ET trauma and energetic interference Mind control, spiritual warfare, and consciousness manipulation Ancient hidden technologies and energetic systems Humanity's awakening and the battle between higher and lower frequencies Christopher also discusses his healing work with abductees, individuals experiencing spiritual oppression, and people struggling with energetic imbalance believed to be connected to multidimensional interference. Throughout the episode, the focus remains on spiritual empowerment, energetic sovereignty, healing, and raising consciousness in a world increasingly filled with fear, confusion, and conflict. Whether listeners approach these topics from curiosity, metaphysics, spirituality, or alternative research, this episode pushes far beyond conventional explanations and explores the possibility that humanity may be involved in a much larger multidimensional struggle than most people realize.

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A guy walks into a hardware store with vinegar, borax, copper mesh, a propane torch, and tweezers. If you have Morgellons, you know exactly what he's building — and exactly why he can't tell the kid in the orange vest. This episode opens with that scene, then goes somewhere most coverage of Morgellons disease refuses to go: the staged, recognizable progression of what people think they have before they arrive at Morgellons. Scabies. Worms. Springtails. Collembola. Lyme. Nanobots. Smart dust. The Oklahoma study at 2 AM on PubMed.Crystal Clear lays out why that sequence itself is data — not delusion. Diseases have stages of symptoms. Morgellons has stages of misidentification, marched through in roughly the same order by thousands of strangers across continents who've never spoken. That pattern requires an explanation. “Mass delusion” isn't one.Plus two records updates worth your attention:        •       A new Oklahoma Open Records Act request submitted to the State Department of Health regarding the 2000 Collembola study (Altschuler, Crutcher, et al.) — the one with the manipulated photographs.        •       An IRS 4506-A request for the Morgellons Research Foundation's final 990 filings (2009, 2010, 2011) came back denied with three stacked, internally inconsistent reasons — while the Pennsylvania Department of State has a complete eight-year paper trail for the same organization, including the dissolution filing. Schedule N would document where the money went on the way out. Schedule N is what's missing.You are not crazy. What you have is.Keywords / tags:Morgellons, Morgellons disease, Crystal Clear, More Morgellons podcast, Morgellons fibers, Morgellons stages, Morgellons symptoms, Collembola Oklahoma study, Morgellons Research Foundation, MRF 990, IRS 4506-A, Schedule N, nonprofit dissolution, Altschuler Crutcher, springtails Morgellons, Lyme Morgellons, nanobots smart dust, CDC Morgellons 2012, Mick West, contested illness, medical gaslighting, patient communities, investigative podcast

Krystal rips to shreds a case study that was published in a peer review journal that a listener shared with her in the comment section. Morgie‘s out there if you have heard something absolutely ridiculous some dumb piece of misinformation or defamation of our community and you want it fully roasted on this show. You just let me know.. send me a message on my website.. moremorgellons.com

Join David Lee Corbo (The Raven) and Top Lobster on Nephilim Death Squad as Thomas the Paranoid American returns for one of the wildest episodes yet! Thomas, 15-year conspiracy & occult comic creator, ex-Disney animator, ex-military, and current Freemason, drops his viral theory: BUGS ARE DEMONS.He traces the 14th-century Middle English origin of “bug” meaning disembodied spirit, hobgoblin, and ghost — not insect — then connects it to biblical Beelzebub (Lord of the Flies), plague locusts that sting like scorpions, worms that don't burn, Exodus flies, and Mesopotamian scorpion-men from the Epic of Gilgamesh.Thomas announces live he is ready to renounce Freemasonry entirely and bend the knee to Christ as King. They break down Masonic boy bride rituals, Albert Pike, the controversial South American photo that triggers every Mason, and why low-level Masonry feels like Rotary Club networking while higher degrees hide darker truths.Plus: Bohemian Grove 2026 updates, general admission tickets still available first to Patreon members at TopLopsa.com, cursed Paranoid American merch (grab it at the Standard Coffee Shop Casino / NDS studio), Thomas's new children's chemtrails book “Connect the Dots” (Magic School Bus style with real research on Morgellons, nanotechnology, Draco star system & Space Preservation Act), eat-the-bugs WEF propaganda, parasites as spiritual conduits, pop culture insect demons in Men in Black (Edgar the Bug), Constantine (Vermin), The Tingler, Alien, Naked Lunch, Spawn's Violator, Nightmare Before Christmas Oogie Boogie, Kafka's Metamorphosis, and more.Thomas also performs at Bohemian Grove every year and is the official Donut convincer. Full episode packed with etymology, scripture, Hopi Ant People, Zoroastrian fly demon Nasu, devil's coach horse beetle, and why killing (or eating) bugs carries spiritual weight.Support the show & get early/ad-free access + Bohemian Grove priority: patreon.com/NephilimDeathSquadTickets & merch: TopLopsa.comThomas's comics, books & cursed merch: paranoidamerican.com  00:00 – Welcome to Nephilim Death Squad  00:45 – Patreon & Bohemian Grove 2026 Tickets Announcement (VIP sold out, General Admission still available for Patrons first)  03:10 – Introducing Thomas “Paranoid American” – 15 years of conspiracy/occult comics, ex-Disney animator, ex-military, current Freemason  05:55 – Thomas drops the bomb: “I'm ready to renounce Freemasonry and bend the knee — Christ is King”  08:40 – Paranoid American merch, cursed merch at the studio, and why it's all “full of lies”  11:20 – Bohemian Grove performance history + Thomas is the official “Donut convincer”  14:30 – How the “Bugs Are Demons” theory was born (flippant comment that went viral)  17:05 – Etymology bombshell: “Bug” originally meant disembodied spirit, hobgoblin, ghost (14th century Middle English)  20:15 – Biblical connections – Beelzebub (Lord of the Flies), plague locusts that sting like scorpions, worms that don't burn, Exodus flies  25:40 – Mesopotamian scorpion-men, Epic of Gilgamesh, and human-insect hybrids  29:50 – Morality of killing bugs – is it okay? Personal stories (cricket torture, son's environmentalism)  35:20 – Parasites as spiritual conduits + demonic possession overlap  39:10 – Pop culture insect demons: Men in Black (Edgar the Bug), Constantine Vermin, The Tingler, Spawn Violator, Oogie Boogie, Kafka's Metamorphosis  45:55 – Hopi Ant People, Zoroastrian fly demon Nasu, Devil's Coach Horse Beetle & more demon-named bugs  51:40 – “Eat the Bugs” WEF agenda + why it feels nefarious  56:30 – Thomas's new children's chemtrails book “Connect the Dots” (Magic School Bus style with real research)  1:01:10 – Chemtrails as spiritual Faraday cage theory  1:05:45 – Deeper Freemasonry talk: Albert Pike, boy bride ritual photo, low-level vs high-level Masonry  1:12:20 – Thomas Edison's Necrophone, bugs in technology, and demons in AI/code  1:18:50 – Closing thoughts + where to find Paranoid American  1:22:30 – Final “Christ is King” moment & outroBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/nephilim-death-squad--6389018/support.☠️ Nephilim Death Squad — New episodes 5x/week.Join our Patreon for early access, bonus shows & the private Telegram hive.Subscribe on YouTube & Rumble, follow @NephilimDSquad on X/Instagram, grab merch at toplobsta.com. Questions/bookings: chroniclesnds@gmail.com — Stay dangerous.

Crystal's backyard has been invaded and she has questions. This week on More Morgellons: the Joro spider, the silkworm computer, the cockroach with the Xbox controller, and what it means to be early instead of wrong.The Joro spider (Trichonephila clavata) arrived in Georgia around 2013 and has spread across the Southeast — confirmed in the Smoky Mountains, reportedly now in California. The official line is they're shy, they're harmless, they eat stink bugs, leave them alone. Crystal read the brochure. She has notes.In this episode:        •       The University of Georgia turkey baster study and the 67-minute freeze response (other orb-weavers average 96 seconds)        •       Why elevated heart rate during a freeze is biologically backwards but device-behavior forwards        •       Joro silk: gold pigmentation, tensile strength comparable to high-grade steel, 200–400% elasticity, and why the military has been trying to synthesize it for forty years        •       JSTX-3, the glutamate receptor inhibitor in Joro venom that neuroscience supply catalogs have sold by name for decades        •       Reports of Joros building preferentially on power line infrastructure        •       The international black market for invasive arthropods, the guy with the briefcase of ants in Nairobi, and how a Joro might end up in a shipping containerThen we zoom out to the broader pattern — the openly published cyborg insect research that's been running for almost twenty years:        •       DARPA's HI-MEMS program (Hybrid Insect Micro-Electromechanical Systems) and the moth-pupa electrode work        •       The remote-controlled cockroach demos posted to YouTube in 2009 (with the Xbox controller)        •       Russia's pigeon surveillance program        •       China's 2024 bee neural control announcement — 90% accuracy, stated use case: covert reconnaissance        •       Donghua University and the Chinese Academy of Sciences feeding silkworms cadmium, gold, carbon nanotubes, and graphene — and the resulting silk that conducts electricity and forms self-healing logic gatesThe episode closes with the question Crystal keeps coming back to: where exactly is the line between vigilance and paranoia, and who gets to draw it?Listener mail: A one-year update from a listener living with a Morgellons self-diagnosis, on being believed by family after a long stretch of dismissal. Send your own messages, written or voice — Crystal will listen. moremorgellons.comMentioned:University of Georgia entomology Joro behavior studies · DARPA HI-MEMS · Donghua University silk bioelectronics research · JSTX-3 in neuroscience literatureMore Morgellons is a podcast about noticing weird things. New episodes daily, weekly and unpredictably. Subscribe, share, send your stories.

The pre-Morgellons era, audited. Crystal traces Elliot's Disease from a 1999 message board post to a 2004 entomology paper that should've been retracted — and the cast of characters quietly running the show before Mary Leto ever showed up.What's in this one:        •       The 1999 Sidney letter: a Colorado man named Elliot, a barbiturate overdose, and a “small group” with no computers who somehow found each other across three states and Shanghai        •       The Kritters message board, the anonymous “Librarian,” and how everyone got funneled to skinparasites.com        •       Deborah Altschuler's one verifiable credential (a 1968 education degree), an unconfirmed DoD medical school appointment, and a “healthcare background” doing Olympic-level heavy lifting        •       The LiceMeister: FDA “cleared” in May 1998, reclassified as a regular comb six months later, still marketed as a medical device 27 years on        •       $1.2 million in comb sales in the year 2000 alone — under a nonprofit        •       The 1,800-person patient NUSPA registry and the very detailed questionnaire nobody talks about        •       The 2000 Oklahoma trip: 20 sufferers paying their own way, Mike Crutcher (future Oklahoma Health Commissioner), two Romanian parasitologists, and the 2004 paper that concluded Morgellons was springtails        •       The 2012 call for retraction over alleged image manipulation — and the silence that followed        •       The Lyme-industry footnote: ILADS, IGeneX, and where the money goes        •       Why “the origin story isn't credible” is not the same as “Morgellons isn't real”The Three Witches of Itchwick. Roll the credits.Tags: morgellons, Elliot's disease, Deborah Altschuler, licemeister, Mike Crutcher, springtails, collembola, NPA, NUSPA, ILADS, IGeneX, Morgellons history, Morgellons origin, More Morgellons podcast, Lyme industry, fiber diseasemoremorgellons.com

Crystal Clear opens the episode by contributing a brand-new condition to the diagnostic literature: Delusional Debunking Disorder, or DDD. The case study is Mick West, who has spent twenty years insisting Morgellons fibers are lint and Havana Syndrome is crickets. Crystal pivots to chat about Chen Tianqiao, Shanda Group founder and CCP member, who quietly bought roughly 200,000 acres in Klamath and Deschutes counties through a shell company called Whitefish Forest Resources in February 2015h. Second-largest foreign land purchase in American history. The data point that refuses to sit down: Google Trends shows Oregon Morgellons searches at zero the week of the transaction. Five weeks later, March 29, 2015, the spike hits one hundred. Lagged correlation coefficient 0.92. Top two Oregon metros for Morgellons search interest that year: Bend in Deschutes County, and Medford-Klamath Falls. Whatever drove the search spike was not news. It was something people were feeling in their bodies.Crystal traces what Chen did next. One billion dollars committed to neuroscience. The Tianqiao Chen Institute for Neuroscience at Caltech, $115 million. A Fudan University partnership in Shanghai. And NeuroXess, his implantable BCI company, whose chief scientist Tiger Tao specializes in silktrodes. January 2026: NeuroXess breaks ground on a super factory in Nanshang. March 2026: China issues the world's first commercial approval for an invasive BCI device. Enter billionaire number two. Joe Tsai, Alibaba co-founder, funder of the Wu Tsai Neurosciences Institute at Stanford, the Wu Tsai Institute at Yale, and a $220 million Human Performance Alliance that includes the University of Oregon. Then the digital twin layer. Jensen Huang, NVIDIA CEO and Oregon State alum, donated fifty million dollars for an NVIDIA supercomputer at OSU Corvallis built for “complex twin simulations.” Ninety minutes from Eugene, the number five Morgellons search metro in America. Oklahoma State launched its Digital Human Twin Consortium in January 2025, also NVIDIA-powered, and happens to sit on Dr. Randy Wymore's twenty-year Morgellons patient registry, possibly twelve thousand families, the largest biological data repository on the condition anywhere. They still ignore Crystal's open records requests. The sensor layer is Profusa, DARPA and Shanghai-funded, CEO Ben Hwang, manufacturer of injectable hydrogel biosensors. They just partnered with NVIDIA to build the AI portal reading the data. Sensors in, data out, twin built. The deepest cut is the 2001 material. Weinong Fu, computational electromagnetics specialist at Ansoft in Pittsburgh, the company whose software gets implantable devices through FDA approval, posted a web page from his corporate email in May 2001 collecting Morgellons symptom reports from Americans. His wife Li Honglui was simultaneously co-funding a Fudan University paper documenting an unidentified organism producing “creeping eruptions, migratory pain, and neurofilament damage.” American arm, Chinese arm, Pittsburgh modeling layer.The episode closes on the new Morgellons metagenomics preprint that landed on bioRxiv in April 2026, the first substantial research since Middelveen 2018. Crystal notes the venue: bioRxiv runs on Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, home of the Eugenics Record Office until Carnegie pulled funding, and has been bankrolled since 2017 by the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. The paper itself gets its full deep-dive on Jeremy Murphree's Morgellons Discussion podcast. Check it out!A 0.92 correlation does not care about anyone's opinion. A 2001 paper does not retroactively become a coincidence because it is inconvenient. And nobody buys 200,000 acres in the highest-Morgellons-search state while building a silk fiber brain implant factory unless those two investments are chapters in the same business plan.

In Imminent (2024), former AATIP director Luis Elizondo describes anomalous implants recovered from military and intelligence personnel after UAP encounters as identical to Morgellons fibers — brightly colored, apparently self-moving. No major interviewer has followed up. Not Joe Rogan. Not Jesse Michels. Not Danny Jones.Mick West built MorgellonsWatch.com and spent a decade debunking the condition. He also debunks Elizondo. So when presented with a direct question — do the fibers in Chapter 8 undermine Elizondo's credibility, or do they complicate your position on Morgellons? — he should have had an answer. He didn't.This episode contains the full six-email exchange between CC and Mick West, read verbatim. West responded three times within minutes, never addressed the fiber claim directly, committed an ad hominem fallacy, was named on it, committed it again, and exited with “sorry, too busy.” The timestamps tell their own story.Also covered: the three analytical bins that keep Morgellons outside institutional accountability — psychiatric dismissal, alien implant folklore, and parasitic illness via tick-borne disease. How Elizondo's Chapter 8 structurally serves the third bin. The trypanosome-spirochete error in Elizondo's own text. DARPA co-funding of Profusa biosensor technology alongside PRC-affiliated investors. The BRAIN Initiative (2013–present). Weinong Fu. The question nobody in UAP disclosure will answer.Open invitations to both Elizondo and West remain standing.Season 19. More Morgellons. moremorgellons.com

Crystal Clear connects the dots between DARPA's neural interface program and China's brain research initiative and arrives at a theory that's structurally identical to the COVID gain-of-function mess: two governments in bed together, both too exposed to snitch.Yes, DARPA is involved. No, they're not the Bond villain. They're the co-conspirator who showed up to the heist in a government-issued sedan and now can't leave because their partner has the keys. The U.S. gets manufacturing capabilities and a population base that would never clear a domestic ethics board. China gets American simulation tools and institutional prestige. Everybody wins except, you know, the people.Also discussed: why the CDC study looks less like an investigation and more like a cleanup crew with a clipboard, what happened to the military forensic lab that touched the samples (spoiler: gone), why the lead investigator landed at the BRAIN Initiative afterward, and what 12,000 names in a filing cabinet at Oklahoma State University might actually document.Crystal Clear also has a message for the community: stop pointing fingers in a 180-degree radius. It's not everybody. It's specific people, specific programs, specific patents and payments. Bring your skepticism, bring your faith, bring your contradictions — but leave the Illuminati at the door.Closes with a live update on open records request No. 26-100, filed under the Oklahoma Open Records Act. Their response so far: “it will take some time.” Dot dot dot.Tags/Keywords: DARPA, brain-computer interface, Morgellons, neural biosensor, Profusa, BRAIN Initiative, gain of function, Wuhan, CDC unexplained dermopathy, AFIP, Oklahoma State University, open records, biosensor patents, U.S.-China collaboration, Crystal Clear, More Morgellons

Crystal Clear opens with a callback to a 2023 caller who corrected her pronunciation — and uses it to launch into the question nobody can answer: how do you actually say “Morgellons”? Not the humans. Not the AI. Not even the transcription software, which generates twelve different misspellings across two documents, free-associating ancient Greek physicians and death-themed place names rather than recognizing a proper noun it should know.From there, the episode turns to a live, recorded interrogation of multiple AI models — Grok, Google's Gemini, and Claude — on the Chinese-language term for Morgellons. Crystal Clear walks each model through the tonal structure of Mandarin, syllable by syllable, pressing them on what the phonetic components could mean independently. The models resist, deflect, and attempt to close the conversation — but the data doesn't cooperate. Google Trends shows the Chinese search term peaking a full year or two before the English term enters search behavior, even in China. If Mary Leitao coined the word in 2002, who was searching for it in Chinese in 2004–2005?The episode closes with a thought experiment: treat those four syllables like a combination lock. Start with 1.75 million possible character combinations. Apply a materials-science filter — eliminate everything that isn't technical. What survives? Graphite/carbon, electrode, cage/structure, silk. A conductive carbon-silk nano-cage. A self-assembling, biocompatible, electromagnetically active structure. Poetry slam to materials science convention in four steps.Featured: adversarial AI transcripts, Google Trends anomaly documentation, Mandarin tonal analysis, the Coca-Cola analogy, and math that turns a “what if” into a “how to.”

Crystal Clear wraps Season 18 with the most comprehensive episode in the show's history, connecting the CDC Morgellons study to parallel Chinese and American brain-computer interface programs, DARPA-funded implantable biosensors with Chinese investors, and a technology supply chain that traces back to 2001. Featuring timestamped podcast analytics showing coordinated Chinese surveillance from three brain research cities, the real explanation for the drug-use correlation in Morgellons patients, and a new framework for understanding what Morgellons actually is — not a bioweapon, not a disease, but an installation platform for neural biosensor technology in a bilateral brain-machine interface arms race.The CDC Morgellons study running concurrently with China's first Brain Project 2008-2011. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology shutdown. Michelle Pearson's transfer from lead CDC investigator to BRAIN Initiative chief of staff. The US BRAIN Initiative as a response to China's earlier program. The China Brain Project's “one body two wings” framework connecting cognition research to brain-inspired AI.DARPA funding Profusa implantable biosensors while Chinese investors Qihoo 360 and Tasly Pharmaceutical Group sit on the same cap table. Ben Hwang as CEO. The Ansoft to Ansys to Synopsys acquisition chain and its role as the global standard simulation platform for implantable antenna design, wireless power transfer to medical implants, and biosensor development. China's SAMR regulatory jurisdiction over the $35 billion Synopsys-Ansys deal.Morgellons as a prediction error loop — engineered materials designed to be almost-but-not-quite recognizable, continuously triggering mismatch negativity, P300, and N400 neurological responses. The brain's error correction process as the most valuable training dataset for artificial general intelligence. Why the ambiguity of Morgellons materials is a design feature not a coincidence.The drug supply chain as delivery mechanism. Chinese control of precursor chemicals for fentanyl and methamphetamine. Chinese manufacturing of active pharmaceutical ingredients for prescribed psychotropics. Insufflation and smoking as direct routes to neural tissue. Blood-brain barrier permeability from stimulant use. The CDC documenting the delivery route and calling it a risk factor.Timestamped podcast analytics showing a Chinese listener surge from 0.2% to 15% within days of filing an open records request to Oklahoma State University. Listeners concentrated in Harbin, Xiamen, and Lanzhou — three cities with active roles in China's brain research and defense infrastructure. Web browser access patterns. The audience disappearing within days of the callout episode. Jenny Chan's unsolicited email to a private address during the same window.The bilateral collaboration framework — American and Chinese institutions as co-conspirators in a classified neural interface program, with the cover-up protecting the partnership rather than either government individually. The 12,000 person patient registry at OSU as a deployment map. The open records request filed February 23, 2026 — still unanswered.References & Sources:CDC Kaiser Permanente Morgellons Study 2012 — “Clinical, Epidemiologic, Histopathologic and Molecular Features of an Unexplained Dermopathy”China Brain Project 2008-2011 — Atlantis Press proceedingsChina Brain Project 2016-2030 — Neuron journal, Poo et al.Profusa Series C filing August 2018 — PR NewswireAnsys HFSS implantable antenna simulation — Ozen Engineering white papersSynopsys-Ansys acquisition July 2025 — SEC filingsLuis Elizondo, Imminent (2025)Listen: Available wherever you get your podcastsContact: moremorgellons.comSupport the show: Follow, subscribe, rate, review, comment!!!

Crystal Clear opens with testimony from Elsa Johnson, a Stanford junior and Editor-in-Chief of the Stanford Review, who describes being targeted by a suspected Chinese Ministry of State Security operative while conducting research at the Hoover Institution — including social media contact from a fake Stanford affiliate, a paid trip offer to Shanghai, pressure to move communications to WeChat, and subsequent FBI confirmation of physical surveillance on campus.Crystal picks up the thread as a fellow subject of monitoring and reintroduces the forensic triple filter framework: timing window, rarity baseline, and independent system convergence. She then walks through five data pulls from her podcast hosting analytics — not interpretations, numbers.The baseline: In 5+ years of show history, China represented 0.2% of total Spotify plays. Japan, 0.11%. English-speaking countries dominated. Normal. Then on February 23, 2026, she filed an open records request to Oklahoma State University targeting the 12,000-person Morgellons patient registry, research agreements, and Randy Wymore's federal correspondence. Within days — not weeks — China surged to 15% of her audience (country #2 worldwide), Japan to 11.67% (#3). Listeners concentrated in three cities: Harbin, Xi'amen, and Lanzhou. Web browser listening quadrupled from 8% to 32%. The spike held for roughly 45 days, then collapsed within four days of the Hello Harbin episode airing — at which point Jenny Chan also went silent after her last reply.Crystal addresses the VPN counterargument head-on: even if individual access is easy, the simultaneous disappearance of 100% of the Chinese audience within days of the call-out episode is the part VPN logic can't explain. She notes the spike wasn't triggered by her China coverage in Season 5 — it was triggered by a request about American research infrastructure. Whoever was listening was monitoring the Morgellons research pipeline, not her foreign policy commentary.The episode closes with Crystal revisiting her own Season 1 clip from 2020, letting the audience hear how far the investigation has traveled from early speculation to primary-source methodology — and why the lane between closed-mindedness and credulity is the only road that leads anywhere.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

The episode opens with Crystal packing up her home (again), discovering a notebook of million-dollar business ideas — including a riding dog, self-moving furniture, and a whale saddle — before stumbling on her old box of Morgellons remedies: the creams, the ointments, the horse paste, the borax, the coal tar. Which raises the question that drives the rest of the episode: what if all the money we spent trying to treat this had gone toward actually figuring out what it is?Crystal introduces the CEHF — the Charles E. Holman Morgellons Disease Foundation — a 501(c)(3) based in Lone Star, Texas, operating since 2007, and reads their mission statement back to them before conducting a two-part audit: clinical and financial.Part One: The Clinical AuditA deep read of “Cindy's Diary,” published on the CEHF's own website — a day-by-day chronicle written by Charles “Chas” Holman documenting his wife Cindy Casey-Holman's medical odyssey from 2004-2005. Cindy, an ICU nurse at CPMC in San Francisco, was diagnosed with “delusions of parasitosis” and “self-mutilation” before the Morgellons Research Foundation referred them to nurse practitioner Ginger Saveley in Austin, Texas. The diary tracks the full treatment pipeline: IGeneX testing after five years of negative Lyme results ($180), Rocephin injections administered at home by Charles, Flagyl (misidentified as an antifungal), Mepron, Zithromax, and Gentamicin — culminating in a dangerous eosinophilic reaction (levels hitting 69, normal range 0-7) that forced an emergency stop of all treatment. Enter Dr. Raphael Stricker, Saveley's mentor, at $500 for the initial consult, $250 follow-ups, no insurance accepted. The punchline, documented in Charles's own words: Cindy improved after stopping everything. “Feeling much better these days — without the meds (go figure..??)”Crystal notes that she has the same condition, has done nothing to treat it since approximately year two, is lesion-free, and is functionally the control group that nobody in this community has ever bothered to establish in a clinical trial.The foundation and its associated providers have never conducted a single randomized, blinded, controlled drug trial in nearly two decades of treating patients.Part Two: The Financial AuditA review of the CEHF's IRS 990-EZ filings (2013-2021) via ProPublica showing approximately $371,000 in total revenue over nine documented years. All officers compensated at $0. Zero liabilities. By 2021, $62K in assets against only $5K in expenses — a functionally dormant organization. Filings for 2008-2012, the critical formative years spanning Charles Holman's death, the MRF dissolution, and the CDC study period, are missing from public databases. The CEHF website contains no financial disclosures, no annual reports, no posted 990s, and no breakdown of how donor funds are spent.Charles Holman died September 6, 2007. No public cause of death. No obituary has ever been found. Kenneth Cowles, the other primary Morgellons advocate, died 48 days later. Both men were in their early-to-mid 50s.Part Three: The FunnelCrystal connects the clinical and financial audits to the structural question: the CEHF's “What is Morgellons?” page remains a question after 19 years, yet the foundation actively promotes the chronic Lyme hypothesis and the Stricker-Saveley-ILADS treatment network on its homepage. The organization cannot simultaneously claim to be searching for answers while functioning as the promotional arm of a specific clinical pipeline whose treatments have never been validated and whose own foundational patient narrative — Cindy's Diary — undermines the treatment rationale.Five known suicides documented in the diary by January 2005. The human cost is not abstract.

Luis Elizondo, former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP, 2008-2012), sat down with Mick West — who spent those exact same years running Morgellons Watch, a website dedicated to dismissing a contested dermatological condition. In his book Imminent, Elizondo casually states that implants recovered from military and intelligence personnel after UAP encounters were “identical to Morgellons fibers.” West, who built a decade-long platform on debunking Morgellons, never asks about it. Not once. Neither has Joe Rogan or any other interviewer.This episode covers: AATIP's overlap with DARPA-funded biosensor and brain-computer interface research (2008-2012), the Department of Defense's investment in implantable micro-electrode arrays and biophysical sensors during that period, the launch of the BRAIN Initiative in 2013 (where Michelle Pearson the CDC study lead investigator is now chief of staff), Elizondo's counterintelligence background, Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui's 1999 book Unrestricted Warfare, Weinong Fu at Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and the question nobody in the UAP disclosure space will touch.More Morgellons. 18 seasons. moremorgellons.com

Mick West co-founded Neversoft Entertainment, programmed Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, retired from Activision in 2003, and then did something nobody has ever forensically examined: he built Morgellons Watch, a website dedicated to convincing the public that Morgellons disease is a delusion. He wrote over 100 articles under the pseudonym “Michael.” He edited the Wikipedia Morgellons article under a second pseudonym, “Herd of Swine,” while lobbying for his own site to be cited as a credible independent source. His Wikipedia account was flagged for sockpuppetry. The site accumulated roughly 12,000 comments from 88 registered users — an average engagement rate of 20+ comments per user — on a condition mainstream medicine had already dismissed.The site is still live in 2026. West says he lost interest around 2012.This episode applies the same forensic standards to the counter-narrative that Uninvestigated has applied to the Morgellons Research Foundation. If the MRF's IRS 990 filings, defense-connected board members, indicted grant recipient, and vanished 12,000-family patient registry warranted investigation, then the debunking apparatus that ran in parallel deserves identical scrutiny.Crystal examines the cost-benefit problem: why a financially independent retired programmer with no medical or scientific training sustained a complex content operation for years on a single niche medical condition. She maps the pseudonym architecture: “Michael” on Morgellons Watch, “Herd of Swine” on Wikipedia, Mick West everywhere else — three identities, three platforms, one narrative project. She traces the timeline convergence: Morgellons Watch launched in April 2006, the exact month Congressional pressure toward a CDC investigation reached critical mass. And she identifies the open forensic threads that have never been pursued: historical WHOIS domain registration records for morgellonswatch.com, cross-domain registrant comparison with contrailscience.com and metabunk.org, IP address hosting history, and Wikipedia edit pattern analysis.The episode also explores a remarkable synchronicity. West chose “Herd of Swine” from Mark 5 — the Gadarene demoniac narrative, where unclean spirits called “Legion” are cast into pigs that rush into the sea. Years later, independently and without knowledge of West's username, Crystal drew a parallel between the Gadarene story and the Morgellons patient experience: the afflicted person dismissed as mad, the community that prefers chains to healing, the testimony nobody wants to hear. West named himself after the destruction vehicle. Crystal found the story from the testimony side. Same scripture. Opposite characters.The episode closes with the 12,000 mirror: 12,000 families entered the MRF registry hoping their data would drive research. That registry was destroyed without public disclosure when the foundation dissolved in 2012. 12,000 comments accumulated on Morgellons Watch, a site engineered to ensure that anyone Googling their symptoms found dismissal before they found help. One apparatus collected testimony. The other buried it. Neither has been audited.Open investigative threads: WHOIS forensics on morgellonswatch.com domain registration and hosting history. Wayback Machine timeline analysis. Cross-domain infrastructure comparison. Wikipedia edit history audit for User:Herd of Swine. Comment metadata analysis including timestamp patterns and user registration clustering. Financial trail from Neversoft/Activision exit through Committee for Skeptical Inquiry fellowship.West built Morgellons Watch. Crystal built Westwatch. Somebody had to.

Episode 2771 - Today is a high energy green show! It is a message of hope and direction. Topics covered include. Who are the real planetary rulers? Why won't Christians discuss these topics? This is a deep deep rabbit hole show! What are we capable of as Christians having a blood covenant with the most high God? How are the global rulers tied into an inter-dimensional matrix? Why child sacrifice? Are there other species that we don't know about inter-dimensionally? How do these entities eat? Where does their sustenance come from? What are the names of these entities? Why are they poisoning the planet? How does stress from never-ending wars affect your health? CERN, GMOs, chemtrails, AI, Morgellons, fluoride, autism, smart dust, perversion, drugs, soul cooking, secret societies, transhumanism and the Power of REAL prayer is covered. This is a must-listen green show!.

On today's show: A Correction: cat hair was found in diabetes drugs, not vaccines. Novo Nordisk's $16.5 billion acquisition Catalent — FDA contamination at the Indiana facility.Your host Crystal is a former clinical trials manager who read a Form 990 recreationally, and it ruined her life. Today we're doing a forensic accounting of nothing.THE MORGELLONS RESEARCH FOUNDATION IRS FILINGSThe Morgellons Research Foundation (MRF), "founded" by Mary Leitao, filed IRS Form 990 returns showing zero program service expenses. Not low. Zero.2004 Form 990: $318 in contributions. $0 expenses.2005 Form 990: $0 program expenses.2006 Form 990: Missing. This is the peak year — national TV, maximum donations, phones ringing. That return has never been located. Revenue reported retroactively: ~$29,000.MRF's sole named grant recipient was Thornton/Thorstensen Labs. Operator Michael Carlson was later indicted on 51 counts of falsifying test results. The lab was already decertified by the time the grant was granted. The MRF patient registry — real people, real names — has never been accounted for. No response to date from 2.23.26 open records request to OHSU.THE DOMAINmorgellons.org was registered March 14, 2002 by dkornsin@hotmail.com — not Mary Leitao, not any board member. That registrant possibly links to 2345.com, Chinese software infrastructure. Earliest site capture (June 5, 2002) lists a California fax number, contact morgellons@aol.com, and web designer Amy DiFerrari.DOUGLAS EWING BUCKNER SR —Fake DOCTORDouglas Buckner is listed as Vice President of the MRF board and identified as “Dr. Douglas Buckner PhD” on federal tax documents, in the Washington Post Magazine, and on Coast to Coast AM (February 2005). He is not a doctor. No MD. No PhD. No dissertation, residency, license, or verifiable work history. Born July 1946, Tennessee. Lived in Waycross, Georgia 35 years. Now on his father's land in Montgomery County, Tennessee. Bankruptcy filing, tax lien on record. His wife Janelle Fossen is the MRF board secretary. Two board seats, one household.On the 2005 Coast to Coast broadcast, host George Noory calls him a physician and Doctor repeatedly. Buckner never corrects him. He describes Morgellons symptoms accurately but frames the fibers as visually bizarre. They're not — they look like common textile fibers. The actual anomaly is fibers embedded under intact skin and emerging from wounds. The paranormal framing is intentionally discrediting perhaps, guilty as charged. KENNETH COWLES — DIED IN HIS SLEEP AT 53Kenneth Cowles served as MRF Director of PR and Media, unpaid. Day job: production assistant on Guiding Light. He says he found Morgellons by sending a mass email looking for a story and hearing back from a woman in Tacoma, Washington. Didn't believe her at first. Eventually did. That led him to Mary Leitao.From a soap opera set, Cowles placed Morgellons on KTVU Fox San Francisco, stations in Reno and Houston, and in 2006 on ABC News prime time and NBC. Correction: the rumored $10,000 plane ticket to Tulsa and $2,000 phone bill were Kenneth Cowles, not Dale Cowler.Kenneth Cowles died October 2007, age 53. “Peacefully in his sleep,” per Mary Leitao. Forty-eight days after Charles E. Holman, former MRF chairman, died at 54. Holman had asked Mary for access to the financial statements and was refused. Mary's husband Edward Leitao died at 54 of cardiac arrest months before she incorporated the MRF. Three men connected to this foundation. All dead in their 50s. Nobody wrote about it.MRF BOARD: William T. Harvey (chairman, NASA), Mary Leitao (founder), Douglas Buckner (VP, not a doctor), Dale Cowler (CPA/treasurer), Janelle Fossen (secretary, Buckner's wife), Kenneth Cowles (PR, deceased), Charles E. Holman (former chair, deceased).OSU open records request 26-100 filed February 23, 2026 — no response. Death certificates not known for Edward Leitao, Charles Holman, Kenneth Cowles.moremorgellons.com

Milyssa talks with ET Specialist & Spiritual Healer Dr. Christopher Macklin.Christopher specializes in healing abductees and others who have suffered related negative ET trauma. He assists people in removing negative ET presences from their lives, clearing homes and land, and closing multidimensional portals. He also works tirelessly with “illuminati fall out children” who have been mind-controlled and physically tortured by ET influenced governmental agencies and institutions. In addition, he works very closely with the Pleiadians and Arcturians to help heal and rebalance humanity. His new book History, Truth and Healing: HIV/AIDS, Agent Orange, Gulf War Syndrome, Morgellons and Lyme Disease" addresses the negative ET presence and how it has affected humanity.  Dr. Christopher Macklin is  highly respected as a UFO expert, and Energetic healer for his work in assisting people in achieving optimal spiritual/mental/emotional/ physical health. His work which addresses a wide range of mind/body/spirit imbalances to overall wellness, which is well received and resonates with the general public - who have been experiencing all kinds of emotions, chronic mental imbalances and increased physical illnesses during the pandemBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/paranormal-uk-radio-network--4541473/support.

Morgellons disease has been searched more in Portland, Oregon than any other city on Earth for 22 consecutive years according to Google Trends data from 2004 to present. Portland scores 100 on the search interest index. Seattle is second at 86. Boca Raton Florida third at 80. By country the United States leads at 100, Canada 76, Austria 57, Italy 53, Germany 50.No published paper on Morgellons disease has ever investigated the geographic clustering of cases in Portland Oregon. This episode asks why.Jesse Keller MD at Oregon Health and Science University OHSU is the only researcher in the United States conducting molecular bench science on Morgellons tissue. His 2023 paper in Archives of Dermatological Research found elevated oncostatin M expression in lesional skin biopsies of Morgellons patients compared to healthy controls. Oncostatin M is an inflammatory cytokine known to sensitize pain and itch neurons. His 2024 paper in British Journal of Dermatology documented that Morgellons patients report lower quality of life than patients with psoriasis atopic dermatitis and prurigo nodularis. Keller was featured on OPB Think Out Loud on March 10 2026 discussing Morgellons disease.Referenced research: Keller Liu Latour 2023 Archives of Dermatological Research. Gipple Latour Keller Dhami 2024 British Journal of Dermatology. Pearson Vuolo Freire Merritt Klotter Maughan Montanez Amobi Middleton Dahlgren 2012 PLoS One CDC unexplained dermopathy study. Beuerlein Balogh Feldman 2021 Dermatology Online Journal. Akbarialiabad Salehi Murrell Jafferany 2025 Archives of Dermatological Research confirming zero randomized controlled trials exist for Morgellons treatment.More Morgellons podcast. Hosted by Summer. Over 400 episodes heard in 100 plus countries. Top 5 percent on Listen Notes. Available on all major podcast platforms.Website to leave CC a VM is www.moremorgellons.com

 Morgellons disease is a rare skin condition described by intense itching, burning and crawling sensation underneath the skin. Many living with the condition also experience painful sores and, as a 2024 study found, have a lower quality of life. Oregon Health and Science University Dermatologist Jesse Keller is one of the authors of that study. He was also recently featured in an article about the condition in Undark. Keller joins us to share more on what Morgellons disease is and what he hears from the patients he treats.  

Both morgellons.org and morgellons.com were registered March 14, 2002. The registrant was not Mary Leitao or her husband Edward Leitao (an internist who died suddenly two years later and whose name appears in no subsequent MRF publication, board filing, press release, or congressional testimony). The registrant is listed as “dkornsin” (K-O-R-N-S-I-N), with an associated email address of dkornsin@hotmail.com. No Kornsin appears in Pennsylvania nonprofit records or Pennsylvania public address records from this period.A user named “D. Kornsin” appears on BlackHatWorld, a black hat SEO forum, with a join date of January 2011 — resurfacing a decade later asking about domain resale value. The email cluster associated with the WHOIS data connects to Chinese software distribution infrastructure, specifically the 2345.com ecosystem — a major Chinese tech platform known in malware analysis circles for grey-zone adware distribution behind deliberately obscure registrant contacts. An associated email address, ch3web@hotmail.com, also traces into that infrastructure.The domain was made private in October 2017 — six years after the MRF officially dissolved. Someone was still maintaining it then, and someone is still maintaining it today.The MRF Patient Registry and DissolutionThe MRF dissolution announcement, dated February 15, 2012, stated the organization was no longer active and not accepting registrations or donations. Remaining funds were donated to the Oklahoma State University Foundation to support Morgellons disease research. The dissolution was filed using IRS Form 990-N, the minimum possible instrument, available only when gross receipts fall below $50,000. No program descriptions, no asset disposition schedule, no documentation of what happened to organizational property.The patient registry — containing self-reported onset dates, locations, symptom profiles, occupational information, and geographic clustering data from over 12,000 families across all 50 states and at least 15 countries — has no documented public disposition. Its transfer to OSU, if it occurred, left no public trace.Historical Source Material: Mick West / Morgellons WatchThe episode references a 2007 post from Mick West's Morgellons Watch site with 101 comments, and reads from a post by a commenter identified as “Nissi,” who described receiving 177 viruses from Morgellons-related websites, identified by her husband — the owner of a communications company who had previously been recruited by the FBI. Full coverage of Mick West's role is flagged for a dedicated future episode.Andrew Huff / EcoHealth Alliance ConnectionThe episode references prior season coverage of Andrew Huff's FOIA request and his allegation that Peter Daszak, head of EcoHealth Alliance (the organization involved in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology), told Huff he had been working with the CIA since 2015. Huff later retracted the FOIA request after reporting organized harassment by the U.S. government.An open records request has been filed with Oklahoma State University (request 26-100) seeking documentation related to research agreements, contracts, MOUs, and CRADAs connected to Morgellons research — including any records related to the patient registry transfer. Response pending.Names and Entities for the RecordMary Leitao, Edward Leitao, dkornsin, dkornsin@hotmail.com, ch3web@hotmail.com, 2345.com, BlackHatWorld, William T. Harvey, Virginia Savely, Greg Smith, Charles Holman, Kenneth Cowles, Cindy Casey, Mick West, Morgellons Watch, Morgellons Research Foundation, MRF, morgellons.org, morgellons.com, IRS Form 990-N, Oklahoma State University, Randy Wymore, Sherry Taylor, Andrew Huff, Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance, Wuhan Institute of Virology, CIA, FBI, NASA Johnson Space Center, NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, Office of Naval Research, Journal of Medical Case Reports. https://youtube.com/shorts/gwHOQ477KXo?si=KvELgLokZpBComMJ

In this episode, Crystal Clear responds to the most recent major English-language feature article on Morgellons disease — “For a Rare Disorder, Is Language Complicating Care?” published February 24, 2026, by Undark. Crystal summons her inner Karen and things get ridiculous. The new Morgellons article proposes that renaming delusional parasitosis could improve patient compliance with antipsychotic treatment. The problem: there has never been a single randomized controlled trial evaluating any treatment for Morgellons. Not antipsychotics. Not antibiotics. Not anything. We break down what the article gets wrong, what it deliberately omits, and why linguistic rebranding is not a substitute for science.Plus: a new morgie message from a listener in Milwaukee.Links for the article and to leave a message for the show: Undark article: https://undark.org/2026/02/24/morgellons-language-complicating-care/More Morgellons: https://moremorgellons.com“P.s. no matter what daddy google tells you, this isn't a lyme disease podcast and never has been.”-CC

Crystal interviews a Doctor named Alistair Snide about why "self-diagnosed" is not a real methodological objection but rather a rhetorical one when it comes to researching this unexplained dermopathy. Then, she pivots to address the issue that so many of us have been or are currently seeking: the cure.

Crystal is back with bible quotes, an opening statement, a closing statement, and a jury duty summons for her listeners, especially those 0.2% who do not have Morgellons disease. "Please prove I'm delusional and this is all just coincidences and not a multi-generational coverup related to the Pentagon, Trump's personal pal Geoff Pedepstein and the villain I used to make fun of people for calling a villain, Gill Baites . . ." -CCAnd Crystal swore for six seasons that she was not "that person." It turns out "that person" was not entirely wrong on this matter, and that person is now feeding her the 50th serving of her own previously recorded words. Touche sans T and E. Because reality as it turns out, is an irreal coincidence cascade that, along with the accidental, question-begging facts, converges into a strong circumstantial case for coverup and conspiracy. "You be the judge." - CC

Send me a DM here (it doesn't let me respond), OR email me: imagineabetterworld2020@gmail.comToday I'm honored to have back on the show once again for another ground-breaking episode: Satanic and masonic ritual abuse and mind control survivor and whistleblower, YouTuber and content creator on her own YouTube channel and Substack, first generational New Zealander, credentialed counselor with a specialization in Narrative Therapy, communication skill small group training course facilitator, traditional herbal medicine advocate, retreat co-facilitator, and healing warrior, our beloved podcast regular, and my dear friend: sweetest Poppy JoyBorn as a first-generation New Zealander into a multi-generational lineage of incest, ritual abuse, Masonic depravity, and the insidious grip of MK ULTRA programming, Poppy's earliest existence was engineered for control. From infancy, she endured horrors designed not merely to harm the body, but to fracture the mind, fragment the soul, and harvest the pure essence of consciousness itself. Rituals timed to ancient astrological cycles, underground labs, interdimensional violations, and the cold machinery of mind control sought to reduce her to a programmable vessel. Yet, within the very core of that engineered despair, an unbreakable light refused to dim.Before the memories fully resurfaced, Poppy quietly built a life of profound service. She earned a degree in counseling, specializing in Narrative Therapy to help others rewrite their stories. She facilitated communication trainings, championed traditional herbal medicine - a knowledge she has applied to her own battles with cancer and Morgellons, and co-led retreats that sparked transformation in countless lives. But the body, a wise and loyal guardian of truth, could no longer contain the suppressed tidal wave of trauma. In a moment of divine rupture, the memories flooded back, demanding release. Poppy faced the ultimate choice: remain silenced or step boldly into the light.And in that choice, she chose liberation.On today's episode, Poppy will be sharing a continuation into the advanced and holistic research into her health issues and what this means for those with conditions like Morgellans as well as for victims and survivors who have been subjected to medical or human experimentation such as MK ULTRA, the needs of survivors to ensure they thrive and are supported as this old system dies, speaking out and speaking up publicly from a survivor's perspective, and so much more. HOW TO DONATE TO POPPY: -PayPal: paypal.me/FriendsofPoppyPoppy's Message: "Thank you for your support. The abuse on my being as a survivor of RAMCOA has left me with many illnesses and injuries that I am currently addressing. I feel like I am still currently surviving, not liberated into true safety yet with needs met adequately.I now have a better understanding of what these conditions are and am in need of financial support to address them, while still being unable to work to support myself.Goal amount $7,500Irlen filter prescription spectacles $1,500Supplements and natural health treatments $3,000To move to a suitable home that is safe, peaceful and supports my health needs, and where my cat and I may live near to loving and caring people. $3,000"CONNECT WITH POPPY:YouTube:​⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayanmissions  Substack: https://substack.com/profile/109233143-poppy-joy?utm_source=global-searchFB: Support the show

Crystal kicks off a new season by pissing off the Lyme community, again.

EP.617Author and explorer Brad Olsen returns to unpack the darkest, most explosive secrets buried under Antarctic ice from Nazi U-boat maps leading beneath the frozen continent, to Operation Highjump's mysterious UFO battle that forced a 4,700 man U.S. Navy armada to retreat in defeat. He and Michael Decon rip into Admiral Byrd's lost diary, inner Earth civilizations, elite no‑fly zones, and why world leaders keep quietly slipping down to the South Pole. The conversation veers into lethal black goo, super soldier programs, Morgellons, Epstein files, child trafficking codes, and the coming collapse of official narratives if Donald Trump really does become the first “Disclosure President.” If even half of this is true, history, religion, energy, and your entire reality are about to be reset to year zero.

Crystal keeps investigating the mystery and history of Morgellons. "It just gets shadier and shadier ya'll." -CChttps://youtube.com/shorts/seLhZLbslSchttps://open.spotify.com/episode/1BvttwU5m4r6AkyGtzZbQJ?si=BaAwSgNPR2OWUmjl2Lweuw

Officially Morgellons disease is a form of delusional parasitosis. Delusional parasitosis is a condition in which people firmly believe that they're infested by parasites, mites, worms or other organisms even though a physical examination by a healthcare professional doesn't support this idea.But is there any truth to Morgellons disease?Help us buy a camera:https://ko-fi.com/monsterfuzzSupport the pod:www.patreon.com/monsterfuzz Check out our merch:https://monster-fuzz.creator-spring.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/monster-fuzz--4349429/support.

Crystal continues her deep dive investigation into how this whole fucking mess called Morgellons got started back in the early days of the Morgellons Research Foundation.

Crystal lays out the first of several episodes in a series she is calling: The Mystery History of Morgellons. Hint: none of it adds up or makes any fucking sense. morgswithcrystalclear

Crystal publishes Part II of her expose of the mystery history of morgellons disease.

Crystal crashes a podcast hosted by robots. Naturally, they recognize her superior cyborg charisma and cede the floor. Hilarity ensues (amidst horror).

Crystal is building a class action suit for anyone with Morgellons Disease (or any contested illness) who has been discriminated against and defrauded by gaslighting AI companies. Reality is no longer revealed or covered up by the CDC. It is mediated by artificial intelligence companies who decide who gets help, service, harm or erasure. Crystal is done being gaslit by chatbots, by government agencies, by doctors and a system designed to erase and silence human beings who refuse to be used as disposable human data mines for the enrichment of a few rich dorks.

Crystal joins the Board of Peace on a billion dollar loan she got from a North Korean dictator's petty cash box. That is how she affords to fly in to Washington on a private jet she borrowed from Qatar and attend the historic signing of the Great American Recovery Initiative Act, which our dear messiah just signed into law on Jan 29 2026. Everything is going well until Crystal refuses to high five the president of Weather Tech and is sent to an Alaskan Gulag for asking why the fuck he is there. The gulag, refreshingly damp for a frozen hell, is where she reports the real story that no one else is reporting anywhere in America. Because yes, less people here are dying of drug overdoses, and no it's not because RFKJR and goldman sachs and exploding drug boats put their heads together and solved addiction. It's because since the summer of 2024 the drug supply has become the pure bug supply …. and Crystal claims that every military in the world is listening to the people who have been systematically stigmatized and silenced. Disclaimer: take this story with a neural grain of salt, since this is clearly just another one of those crazy methhead morgellon people talking about bugs again.

Crystal decided that it has been far too long since she embarrassed herself (and her unsuspecting cohost) with a good compilation of the show's most ridiculous skits from the last six years of production. This is for the superfans... or anyone looking for evidence to undermine my sanity. Either way, I hope all find it entertaining.

Crystal reminds everyone that Morgellons cannot kill you, or maybe she's just trying to remember herself.

Crystal has a message from the artist formerly known as god for the listeners out there struggling to survive and to see thru the brain fog, the institutional fog and the fog of despair.

While some may cite Sir Thomas Browne as an important historical figure in the understanding of Morgellons, Crystal claims there are other 400 year old dead dudes whose writings relate to the Morgellons phenomena. Don't forget to check out the latest research on morgellonscience.com. Participate in the latest research on r/morgswithcrystalclear. It's the only online community on reddit that doesn't have 700 posts about borax. And leave a voicemail or message for the show at moremorgellons.com.

Why You Should Listen:  In this episode, you will discover how addressing parasites and dental issues can unlock better health and why real healing is rarely an Accidental Cure. About My Guest: My guest for this episode is Dr. Simon Yu.  Simon Yu, MD combines internal medicine with integrative medicine at Prevention and Healing, Inc., in St. Louis, MO.  As an HMO regional medical director, he saw the limits of a medication-management approach to patients with complex chronic illness.  He studied integrative and biological medicine, took 300 hours of medical acupuncture training, and researched dental, fungal, and parasite problems.  He served as a medical officer in the U.S. Army Reserve for 25 years, retiring as a full colonel.  Dr. Yu lectures in the US and abroad. He offers Acupuncture Meridian Assessment (AMA) Training to help detect problems for doctors and dentists in St. Louis and in Germany.  He has an MD from the University of Missouri School of Medicine, has an MS in Immunology, is certified by the American Board of Internal Medicine, a member of American College of Physicians, and is on the advisory board of the International College of Integrative Medicine.  Key Takeaways: Where does Artificial Intelligence fit in addressing complex, chronic illnesses? What are the more common patterns of meridian dysregulation observed? How are most parasites acquired? Are parasites always bad for the body? What are the more common medications used to address parasites? Does mold in the external environment impact parasite treatment or dental interventions? Are all parasites that impact health physical? How is the treatment of fungal issues approached? Should patients test their home for mold? What types of dental issues are most commonly impacting patients? How does testing for the DNA of oral pathogens inform treatment? What long-term oral hygiene strategies may be helpful? Are implants appropriate after an extraction? How has treating complex patients changed with COVID? Is spike protein detoxification now part of the healing approach? Do EMFs negatively impact health? Are conditions such as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and Morgellons approached differently? What are some top detoxification strategies? Is "autoimmunity" the result of chronic infections? What is the best approach for optimizing the microbiome? What are some of the emerging treatment interventions from SOZO Brain Clinic? Connect With My Guest:  PreventionAndHealing.com Related Resources: Book - Accidental Cure 3: AI vs. Ancient Intelligence Interview Date: January 7, 2026 Transcript: To review a transcript of this show, visit https://BetterHealthGuy.com/Episode227. Support the Show: To support the show and Buy Me a Coffee, visit https://betterhealthguy.link/BuyMeACoffee. Additional Information: To learn more, visit https://BetterHealthGuy.com. Follow Me on Social Media: Facebook - https://facebook.com/betterhealthguy Instagram - https://instagram.com/betterhealthguy X - https://twitter.com/betterhealthguy TikTok - https://tiktok.com/@betterhealthguy Disclaimer:  The content of this show is for informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure any illness or medical condition. Nothing in today's discussion is meant to serve as medical advice or as information to facilitate self-treatment. As always, please discuss any potential health-related decisions with your own personal medical authority. 

Crystal follows up with the rest of her interview with a young man from CA whose entire family has been forever changed by MD (their stories can be found in the episodes linked below). He is one of the survivors left. He lived to tell the tale, and he tells it very well. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2BJB6nboWJ0xmdWZNYlhfh?si=5ba6d488e9d6421chttps://open.spotify.com/episode/45cuLMG8H1uagnOslQvJPc?si=32e6c78fa48f45a5 https://open.spotify.com/episode/6evDwJQ2dzmL5h8vJwj0Q2?si=bb45a0e05dca4527If you would like to share your story or just leave a voice recording or comment for the show, please visit my website www.moremorgellons.com. And check out www.morgellonscience.com for the newest, evidence-based science articles about this "unexplained dermopathy."

Episode 2712 - Today is a high energy green show! It is a message of hope and direction. Topics covered include. Who are the real planetary rulers? Why won't Christians discuss these topics? This is a deep deep rabbit hole show! What are we capable of as Christians having a blood covenant with the most high God? How are the global rulers tied into an inter-dimensional matrix? Why child sacrifice? Are there other species that we don't know about inter-dimensionally? How do these entities eat? Where does their sustenance come from? What are the names of these entities? Why are they poisoning the planet? How does stress from never-ending wars affect your health? CERN, GMOs, chemtrails, AI, Morgellons, fluoride, autism, smart dust, perversion, drugs, soul cooking, secret societies, transhumanism and the Power of REAL prayer is covered. This is a must-listen green show!.