Podcasts about Zub

Zubři, divocí koně a zpětně šlechtění pratuři už rovných deset let žijí v rezervaci ve středočeských Milovicích. Projekt, na kterém od počátku spolupracují jihočeští vědci z Biologického centra Akademie věd v Českých Budějovicích, nedávno zkompletoval trojici nejvýznamnějších tuzemských ekologických ocenění. Podle ředitele společnosti Česká krajina Dalibora Dostála jsou přínosy rezervace pro přírodu viditelné na první pohled.Všechny díly podcastu Dopolední host můžete pohodlně poslouchat v mobilní aplikaci mujRozhlas pro Android a iOS nebo na webu mujRozhlas.cz.

NHL analyst Mike Johnson on the Senators winning Game 4, Leafs closing out series, Craig Berube's influence on the bench, Zub's hit on Tavares and Tom Wilson's hit on Alex Carrier.

Ondřej Zub je CEO a spoluzakladatel CloudArc, kde se zabývají primárně automatizací a vyhodnocováním efektivity zpracování dat. Jejich klíčovým produktem je je Virtuální zdravotní sestra, která odbavuje rutinní hovory s pacienty. Ušetří tak lékařům a sestrám několik hodin práce denně, pacientům naopak nabízí nepřetržitý příjem jejich hovorů. A právě Virtuální sestra je nosným tématem dnešního rozhovoru. Co vše Virtuální zdravotní sestra umí?

Cette semaine dans La Brigade, on reçoit un animateur de podcast sur les Canadiens (Les Glorieux) , JB Gagné, pour discuter de la rivalité Ottawa-Montréal, de l'histoire de son podcast, de la reconstruction du CH, de Lane Hudson et du débat autour du trophée Calder.On analyse aussi les récentes performances des Sénateurs : doit-on s'inquiéter des difficultés de l'équipe ? Pourquoi Travis Hamonic joue-t-il plus que Zub ? David Perron joue du hockey inspiré, et pourtant, on a du mal à croire que les Sens ont 95 % de chances de faire les séries après sept ans d'attente. On en parle en profondeur !Sur le weblabrigadepodcast.ca Sur XLa Brigade @LabrigadePodJean-Philip Fortin @JPFortin18Pascal Villeneuve @sensvilleStewart Sabourin @stewmsabourinTiktokLaBrigadePodcastLes Glorieuxhttps://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/les-glorieux/id1770095014Merci à nos commanditairesRocket fuel - utiliser le code promo «Brigade15» et obtenez 15% de rabais (https://drinkrocket.ca/fr/#rocket)SmrtCycle - mentionne que c'est La brigade qui t'envoi (https://smrtcycle.ca/)Planet Hoster (https://www.planethoster.com/fr)Le 5e Baron https://www.5ebaron.com/

Už vo štvrtok odohrá naša mužská hádzanárska reprezentácia tretí zápas kvalifikácie ME 2026. Po súbojoch s Maďarmi a Čiernou Horou  nás čaká dvojzápas s Fínskom.Tréner Fernando Gurich má vrásky na čele z lazaretu, ktorý nastal v našom výbere, a preto budú musieť potiahnuť zdraví a najmä skúsení hráči. Jedným z nich je aj spojka Považskej Bystrice a navrátilec na slovenské palubovky Marek Hlinka, ktorý v najnovšom podcaste SZH prezradil, že víťazstvo v Slovenskom pohári je veľmi motivujúce, prečo má pocit od svojho decembrového príchodu, že hrá buď proti Prešovu, alebo Bojniciam a ako vníma vstup ďalšieho veľkého hráčav podobe bojnického tímu na scénu, že v prospech návratu na Slovensko rozhodlo viacero faktorov, najmä blízkosť rodiny, ako hodnotí roky v českej extralige v drese Zubří a Dukly Praha, kde nastala generačná výmena, aký život ponúka nielen športovcovi Praha a prečo je veľmi príťažlivý, prečo si klub musí vybrať prioritu v rámci danej sezóny, ak pôsobí aj v pohárovej Európe, že by bolo príjemné zahrať si na ME 2030 v Prahe, ale nerád predbieha, prečo sa rodený Bojničan rozhodol pre Považskú Bystricu a akej partie sa stal súčasťou, aký súper nás čaká v podobe Fínska a že v Európe už niet slabého protivníka, ako v národnom tíme prestanú byť na týždeň súpermi, ale vytvoria skvelý tím, prečo budú v Hlohovci potrebovať čo najhlučnejšiu kulisu a čo by chcel odkázať slovenským fanúšikom.

Hrvatska rukometna reprezentacija je u četvrtzavršnici Svjetskog rukometnog prvenstva. Nastavljena su natjecanja u HNL-u, a na početku proljetnog dijela prvenstva kiks Hajduka. Zubčić deseti nakon slaloma u Kitzbuehelu.

Na Vysočině, jen asi patnáct kilometrů od známého pohádkového hradu Pernštejna, stojí zřícenina hradu, který páni z Pernštejna nazvali Zubštejn. Dnes patří mezi turisty nejnavštěvovanější místa v regionu. Nově vyrostla kousek pod Zubštejnem krásná dřevěná útulna pro turisty.Všechny díly podcastu Výlety můžete pohodlně poslouchat v mobilní aplikaci mujRozhlas pro Android a iOS nebo na webu mujRozhlas.cz.

NHL analyst Frankie Corrado on a rough return home for the Senators, offense completely dried up, trying Josh Norris on the win, play of Sanderson and Zub and Travis Green's reaction to the 4-0 loss.

NHL analyst Frankie Corrado on the Senators road trip, Sens found their game in Detroit, Sanderson and Zub, goaltending reinforcements, Elias Pettersson and J.T. Miller and the Eastern Conference race.

ENTERTAINING SHORT FILMS is a new category on the RPA Network, which features indie short films for your enjoyment! We applaud these creators! Occult short film from early medieval age - made by Zubři Stage Combat Team  www.zubri.cz

In this milestone episode 400 of the Fortress of the Comic News podcast, hosts Chris and Mike reflect on their journey, celebrate the significance of reaching 400 episodes, and dive into a variety of topics including the legacy of Conan the Barbarian, new comic releases, the Creature Commandos animated series, the Madden documentary, the future of Sony's Spider-Man universe, casting news for Avengers Doomsday, and the exciting announcement of a Clayface horror movie. They also share their emotional experiences watching the documentary about Christopher Reeve, highlighting his legacy and impact on the disabled community. In this episode, the hosts discuss the emotional impact of disability through the lens of a documentary about Christopher Reeves, the competitive landscape of podcasting, and various comic book news and announcements. They also share their thoughts on recent comic book releases, highlighting the importance of storytelling and character development in both DC and Marvel universes. In the engaging interview with Jim Zub they discusses his journey in the comic book industry, focusing on his work with iconic characters like Conan the Barbarian and his experiences writing for Dungeons & Dragons and Samurai Jack. He shares insights into the creative process, the importance of character voice, and the challenges of transitioning between different publishers. Zub emphasizes the significance of storytelling in comics and the joy of connecting with fans through his work. Jim Zub's Socials: X – @JimZub BlueSky - @jimzub.bsky.social Instagram - @Jim_Zub https://www.jimzub.com/ https://titan-comics.com/graphic-novels/?tag__creator=jim-zub https://www.youtube.com/@JimZub https://jimzub.substack.com/ Comics we discuss in this episode: Shiver Suspenstories #1 JSA #2 DC Horror Presents #1-2 DC Horror Presents: Creature Commandos #1-3 Batman/Santa Claus: Silent Knight Returns #3 Shazam #15 Batman: Dark Patterns #1 Batman #155 Absolute Superman #2 The Ultimates #7 Blade #2 Ultimate Universe: One Year In #1 Get your Fortress Comics merchandise with the link below https://www.teepublic.com/user/fortress-comics FortressofComicNews.com https://chriscomicscorner.substack.com/ YouTube.com/FortressComics Find Chris: https://bio.site/chrisrundt Mike twitter @fortressricker Patreon.com/FortressComics https://www.tiktok.com/@chriscomicscorner Thanks for Listening! #marvel #marvelcomics #mcu #dccomics #comicbooks #comicnews #podcast #indiecomics #batman

Like and please Subscribe!! Available everywhere!Follow on Twitter: @AlexAdamsBTP_ IG: BehindthePlayPod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtcAZh-pXTk&t=22s(00:00) November scaries(6:00) Ullmark's struggles(14:30) Brady Tkachuk's play(21:00) Impact of Zub's injury of defence(31:00) Tim Stutzle's superstardom (41:00) Sens optimism

Football analyst Duke Ellingson on the Harbaugh Bowl and league MVP favourite and should the Senators make a move after Artem Zub's recent injury.

Nachos, Redblacks GM Shawn Burke had an extended stay in the TSN 1200 studio, Senators could have Zub and Pinto back tonight, Brady Tkachuk sticking up for his teammates and Sens or Sensibility.

Kenny plays TV Bingo, Senators in Buffalo on Election Day, Sabres second crack at a rebuild, Artem Zub close to returning, Travis Hamonic and JBD and Chiefs remain undefeated after beating the Bucs on MNF.

Election Night, Adam Gaudette's hot start to the season, Redblacks offseason, futures of GM Shawn Burke and head coach Bob Dyce.

Bojnice potvrdzujú predsezónne prognózy a po príchode posíl ich pokojne možno nazvať šťukou súťaže. Potom, ako oskalpovali o bod Považskú Bystricu, sa im v 9.kole podaril rovnaký kúsok aj s Prešovom a to priamo na palubovke úradujúceho majstra. A to nebyť nešťastného gólu v posledných sekundách, radosť by bola oveľa väčšia. Brankár Luděk Fabián patril aj v tomto súboji medzi najväčšie opory húževnatých hostí a po zápase neskrýval sklamanie. Najstarší hráč NHE, ktorý v júni oslávil 52. narodeniny v najnovšom podcaste SZH prezradil, ako dlho mu trvalo vyrovnať sa s nešťastným gólom v závere súboja s Prešovom a čo sa vlastne v závere zápasu stalo, že Bojnice idú do každého zápasu v plnej poľnej, vrátane náročných súbojov uprostred týždňa, aký vzťah má doteraz k Novým Zámkom ako svojmu prvému slovenskému pôsobisku a ako sa zmenila najvyššia súťaž v porovnaní s obdobím, keď obliekal novozámocký dres, prečo pre neho vek nehrá rolu, nerieši kto má koľko rokov a nerobí nič špeciálne, iba sa udržiava, kde trénuje a ako sa presúva medzi Rožňovom pod Radhoštěm a Bojnicami, prečo mu atmosféra v Bojniciach pripomína Zubří a prečo idú hráči za Tomášom Mažárom, že hádzaná v menších mestách viac žije a čo je typická ľudovka, akou psychohygienou vie byť tréning a pohyb ako taký, že minuloročný bronz bol čerešničkou na torte mimoriadne ťažkej sezóny, prečo nie je dôležitý počet zákrokov, ale víťazstvo tímu, prečo sú Bojnice v jeho kariére to najlepšie na koniec a prečo praje Bojničanom vlastnú halu.  

NHL analyst Frankie Corrado on the Senators early start to the season, Travis Green's mark on the team, Sens blueline without Zub, Flames 4-0 start and slow starts for the Avalanche and Predators.

Taylor Swift concert and contest, updates on Ullmark and Zub today at Senators practice, Stützle-Norris and Pinto and the Redblacks are back at practice.

The biggest story from last night's Sens win, timely saves by Linus Ullmark, Norris and Zub seeing their first preseason action, MLB Playoffs and JR's opening night Senators roster.

Vegetables, tough week 3 in the NFL, Steve Staios and Travis Green met the media, Sanderson paired with Jensen and Chabot paired with Zub, forward lines and Dru Brown and the Redblacks look to rebound Saturday against the Alouettes.

Zubři, divocí koně nebo pratuři žili před stovkami let i u nás. „Vědci dnes o nich mluví jako o inženýrech krajiny, protože nejenže v přírodě pobývali, oni ji spoluvytvářeli. Stáda velkých kopytníků tak dokázala rozsáhlé části krajiny udržet otevřené úplně, nebo alespoň částečně,“ vysvětluje ředitel neziskové organizace Česká krajina Dalibor Dostál.Všechny díly podcastu Hovory můžete pohodlně poslouchat v mobilní aplikaci mujRozhlas pro Android a iOS nebo na webu mujRozhlas.cz.

Spoja dovolenku so zákrokom u stomatológa. Zubná turistika je na vzostupe. Slováci za lacnejšími zákrokmi cestujú do susedných krajín ako je Poľsko, či Maďarsko, ale aj do vzdialeného Turecka. Zubári však varujú, že takéto zákroky prinášajú rizika. Novinárka Katarína Runnová v podcaste približuje, ako je to s cenami zubárov na Slovensku a čo vieme o zubnej turistike.Mnohí Slováci si zubára dovoliť nemôžu alebo za zákroky zaplatia stovky eur. Stáva sa postupne návšteva zubára záležitosťou bohatých? Čo všetko ovplyvňuje, koľko nás bude stáť zubár a aké práva majú pacienti? V podcaste tému rozoberáme s novinárkou Aktualít Katarinou Runnovou, ktorá pripravila sériu článkov, v ktorých sa venuje stomatologickým témam.„Je to téma, ktorú rieši každý Slovák. Ceny stomatologických zákrokov na Slovensku sú v porovnaní s inými krajinami príliš vysoké. Hnevá nás to. Ľudia si nedokážu dovoliť urobiť všetky kazy naraz, musia počkať do výplaty, mnohí to odkladaujú úplne alebo sa rozhodnú cestovať do iného mesta či krajiny," približuje novinárka v podcaste.Na zvýšenie zubnej turistiky začali upozorňovať zubári a dáta o tom zbierajú aj poisťovne. „Slováci si nemôžu dovoliť zákrok na Slovensku a preto sa rozhodnú vyhľadať zubára v zahraničí, kde ich to vyjde mnohokrát lacnejšie. Robia to aj pre kratšie čakacie doby, ale aj preto, že v niektorých menších obciach chýbajú zubári," približuje Katarína Runnová a v podcaste menuje aj niektorí prípady ľudí, ktorí vycestovali do zahraničia.V rozhovore hovoríme aj o tom od čoho sa odvíja koľko u zubára zaplatíme a aké práva má pacient. „Pacienti by si mali uvedomiť, že si za zákrok platia a preto by dopredu mali mali vedieť, koľko zákrok bude stáť. Ak im to lekár nedopraje, tak by sa mali domáhať svojich práv. Nemali by sa hanbiť, pretože nejde o malé peniaze," hovorí.V rozhovore hovoríme aj o tom, či nedávne zrušenie zubných benefitov spôsobilo nižší záujem o preventívne prehliadky. Ministerka Zuzana Dolinková včera informovala, že všeobecná zdratovná poisťovňa ponúka zubný benefit v podobe bezplatnej anestézie pre deti.Moderuje Denisa Hopková.

Spoja dovolenku so zákrokom u stomatológa. Zubná turistika je na vzostupe. Slováci za lacnejšími zákrokmi cestujú do susedných krajín ako je Poľsko, či Maďarsko, ale aj do vzdialeného Turecka. Zubári však varujú, že takéto zákroky prinášajú rizika. Novinárka Katarína Runnová v podcaste približuje, ako je to s cenami zubárov na Slovensku a čo vieme o zubnej turistike.Mnohí Slováci si zubára dovoliť nemôžu alebo za zákroky zaplatia stovky eur. Stáva sa postupne návšteva zubára záležitosťou bohatých? Čo všetko ovplyvňuje, koľko nás bude stáť zubár a aké práva majú pacienti? V podcaste tému rozoberáme s novinárkou Aktualít Katarinou Runnovou, ktorá pripravila sériu článkov, v ktorých sa venuje stomatologickým témam.„Je to téma, ktorú rieši každý Slovák. Ceny stomatologických zákrokov na Slovensku sú v porovnaní s inými krajinami príliš vysoké. Hnevá nás to. Ľudia si nedokážu dovoliť urobiť všetky kazy naraz, musia počkať do výplaty, mnohí to odkladaujú úplne alebo sa rozhodnú cestovať do iného mesta či krajiny," približuje novinárka v podcaste.Na zvýšenie zubnej turistiky začali upozorňovať zubári a dáta o tom zbierajú aj poisťovne. „Slováci si nemôžu dovoliť zákrok na Slovensku a preto sa rozhodnú vyhľadať zubára v zahraničí, kde ich to vyjde mnohokrát lacnejšie. Robia to aj pre kratšie čakacie doby, ale aj preto, že v niektorých menších obciach chýbajú zubári," približuje Katarína Runnová a v podcaste menuje aj niektorí prípady ľudí, ktorí vycestovali do zahraničia.V rozhovore hovoríme aj o tom od čoho sa odvíja koľko u zubára zaplatíme a aké práva má pacient. „Pacienti by si mali uvedomiť, že si za zákrok platia a preto by dopredu mali mali vedieť, koľko zákrok bude stáť. Ak im to lekár nedopraje, tak by sa mali domáhať svojich práv. Nemali by sa hanbiť, pretože nejde o malé peniaze," hovorí.V rozhovore hovoríme aj o tom, či nedávne zrušenie zubných benefitov spôsobilo nižší záujem o preventívne prehliadky. Ministerka Zuzana Dolinková včera informovala, že všeobecná zdratovná poisťovňa ponúka zubný benefit v podobe bezplatnej anestézie pre deti.Moderuje Denisa Hopková.

En RUNNEA Podcast comenzamos una nueva temporada con energía e invitados muy interesantes. En el episodio 185, Gorka Cabañas y Lionel Nattes entrevistan en este episodio al doctor Félix Zubia-Olaskoaga, responsable médico de la Behobia-San Sebastián. Descubre los secretos de esta emblemática carrera desde una perspectiva médica. Después de un verano lleno de entrenamientos y aventuras, RUNNEA Podcast regresa con una nueva temporada que promete ser tan emocionante como informativa. Gorka Cabañas y Lionel Nattes nos traen en su episodio 185 una entrevista exclusiva con el Dr. Félix Zubía, jefe de la UCI del Hospital Donostia y responsable médico de la Behobia-San Sebastián. Conociendo al Dr. Félix Zubía Félix Zubía no es un desconocido en el mundo del running. Con 15 años de experiencia como responsable médico de la Behobia-San Sebastián, su visión y conocimientos aportan una perspectiva invaluable sobre los desafíos que enfrentan los corredores. "Para nosotros, la Behobia es una catástrofe controlada. No es un desastre, pero sí una situación que requiere una organización médica precisa y eficiente," explica Zubía. La Behobia desde una perspectiva médica La Behobia-San Sebastián no es solo una carrera popular; es un evento que atrae a miles de corredores cada año, enfrentándolos a condiciones climáticas variables. Félix Zubía lo describe con claridad: "El día de la Behobia es como organizar una respuesta médica a un descarrilamiento de tren o un accidente aéreo. Tenemos que estar preparados para cualquier eventualidad." La preparación comienza meses antes. "El trabajo empieza mucho antes del día de la carrera. Planificamos cada detalle, desde la organización de los equipos médicos hasta la logística de los hospitales de campaña," detalla Zubía. "El día de la carrera, suelo estar en la meta, en un hospital de campaña, acompañado de varios médicos, enfermeras y técnicos. Nuestra misión es recoger a los corredores que colapsan en la línea de llegada, valorarlos y proporcionarles la atención necesaria." La importancia de la prevención y el entrenamiento adecuado Uno de los puntos más destacados de la entrevista es la discusión sobre cómo los corredores pueden evitar problemas de salud durante la carrera. El golpe de calor es el principal riesgo, especialmente en días calurosos. "Sabemos que cuando la temperatura supera los 20 grados, los problemas empiezan," afirma Zubía. "En días así, podemos tener entre 250 y 300 asistencias." Para minimizar los riesgos, Zubía ofrece varios consejos prácticos: Entrenamiento con calor: "Es fundamental entrenar en condiciones de calor para que el cuerpo se acostumbre a eliminar el calor eficientemente. Sin embargo, es algo que no siempre es posible dependiendo de dónde se vive." Hidratación adecuada: "Es crucial mantenerse hidratado, pero sin exagerar. La hiperhidratación no evita el golpe de calor. Es más importante mantenerse fresco mojándose la cabeza y el cuerpo regularmente." Correr según el pulsómetro: "El ritmo de carrera no debe ser dictado por el reloj, sino por el pulsómetro. Cada corredor debe conocer su umbral y no superarlo, especialmente en días de calor extremo." Escuchar al cuerpo: "Si te sientes mal, baja el ritmo. Y si la situación no mejora, no dudes en retirarte. Es mejor abandonar una carrera que poner en riesgo tu salud." Preparativos médicos: Una operación de gran escala La logística médica de la Behobia es impresionante. Más de 200 voluntarios, 24 ambulancias y varios hospitales de campaña forman parte del dispositivo de seguridad. "La mayoría de los corredores que atendemos se recuperan con hidratación oral y enfriamiento. Sin embargo, en casos graves, algunos necesitan ser trasladados a hospitales," comenta Zubía. Reflexiones sobre la seguridad en las carreras La entrevista también toca la importancia de realizar chequeos médicos, especialmente para los corredores mayores de 45 años. "Un chequeo médico puede ayudar a planificar mejor el entrenamiento y a descartar problemas cardíacos," explica Zubía. "Pero hay que tener claro que esto no previene el golpe de calor. La clave está en correr con sensatez y ser consciente de las propias limitaciones." Gorka y Lionel reflexionan sobre la cantidad de esfuerzos que se realizan para garantizar la seguridad de los corredores. "Es impresionante la dedicación y el esfuerzo que se invierte en la organización médica de la Behobia," dice Gorka. "Saber que hay un equipo tan preparado detrás nos da mucha tranquilidad." A lo largo del episodio, Félix Zubía comparte varias declaraciones que resuenan con fuerza: -"Para nosotros, la Behobia es como una catástrofe controlada. Tenemos que estar preparados para cualquier eventualidad." -"El golpe de calor no depende tanto del nivel de entrenamiento, sino del ritmo de carrera y las condiciones ambientales." -"En días calurosos, correr según el pulsómetro puede ser la diferencia entre una carrera exitosa y un grave problema de salud." -"Es crucial escuchar a tu cuerpo. Si te sientes mal, baja el ritmo o retírate. Siempre habrá más carreras." Este episodio del RUNNEA Podcast está cargado de información valiosa para todos los corredores. No te lo pierdas y prepárate mejor para tu próxima carrera con los mejores consejos de los expertos.

Las penas que recibieron los implicados en la causa por otorgamiento irregular de horas extras en la Intendencia de Artigas viene siendo motivo de conversación. El intendente nacionalista Pablo Caram fue condenado por un delito de omisión a los deberes de funcionario público. El jefe comunal llegó a un acuerdo con el fiscal Federico Rodríguez, que le impuso una pena de 14 meses de prisión en régimen de libertad a prueba, y dos horas semanales de trabajo comunitario durante cuatro meses. Rodolfo Caram, primo del intendente y ex secretario general de la comuna, fue condenado por el delito de fraude, al igual que su pareja, la funcionaria Stefani Severo. Ambos también llegaron a un acuerdo abreviado, y se les impuso una pena de 24 meses de prisión que se sustituirán por tareas comunitarias. La mujer había sido una de las beneficiarias del pago irregular de horas extras. La exdiputada nacionalista Valentina Dos Santos también alcanzó con la fiscalía un acuerdo para un proceso abreviado y aceptó una condena por el delito de “usurpación de funciones”. La jueza penal Carolina Olivera le impuso a Dos Santos una condena a seis meses de prisión que cumplirá en régimen de libertad a prueba con dos meses de tarea comunitaria. Las penas generaron discusión en el sistema político. Por ejemplo, el diputado colorado Gustavo Zubía escribió en su cuenta de twitter: “Mientras algunos recuerdan el proyecto del senador colorado Adrián Peña” para que los ingresos a las intendencias sean obligatoriamente por concurso, “otros observamos los efectos devastadores del PROCESO ABREVIADO en causas contra servidores públicos que les permite obtener penas de 0 días de prisión real !!! Eso es el fin (FINAL) de la justicia..!!”, escribió. Zubía agregó que “el "desastre" de aplicar Proceso Abreviado a funcionarios públicos, como en Artigas lleva a consecuencias impensadas: Procesos de "0" días de reclusión; con daño importante; con enfrentamiento a normas constitucionales; con quiebre del concepto de justicia; con indefiniciones”. El diputado realizó una encuesta en Twitter preguntando a los usuarios si están de acuerdo en aplicar el proceso abreviado en delitos de corrupción como el de Artigas. El 81% respondió que no. Zubía sostuvo que “el sentido de justicia” se impone y anunció que va a presentar un proyecto de ley para que haya cambios en esta materia. ¿Qué dicen de este planteo de Zubía? ¿Debe aplicarse el proceso abreviado para funcionarios públicos por cuestiones de malgasto de los dineros públicos? La Tertulia de los Lunes con Martín Bueno, Tomás Casaretto, Patricia González y Ana Laura Pérez.

David Perron joins the show! One of the Sens big Free Agent signings this summer, the veteran winger brings his Stanley Cup ring and over 1100 games of NHL experience to the nation's capital. Lots to discuss with Perron, the Zub incident, his relationship with Brady Tkachuk, thought's on Travis Green and more!

Zlý zuby môžu človeka diskvalifikovať z niektorých pracovných pozícií, alebo aj pri hľadaní partnera. Mnohí si preto dajú vymeniť celý chrup. Zubárka aj pacienti upozorňujú, že je to bolestivý extrém a estetické zákroky môžu byť aj miernejšie. Podcast TELO si môžete vypočuť po prihlásení sa do služby Aktuality Navyše.Hanbila som sa usmievať a zakrývala som si ústa, hovorí nám v podcaste jedna z respondentiek. Aké sú najčastejšie estetické zubné zákroky? A čo si odborníci myslia o reperských zlatých zuboch?Mnohí si chodia dať urobiť zuby v zahraničí, lebo je to oveľa lacnejšie ako u nás. Slovenskí zubári protestujú – údajne nielen pre ochranu vlastných marží, ale aj pre objektívne riziká. Ak sa vám totiž zuby z Turecka pokazia, slovenský zubár vám ich môže odmietnuť opraviť a cesta za reklamáciou chrupu v Turecku bude drahá.Moderujú Henrieta Hanáková a Martina Smatanová. Autorom scenára je Peter Hanák.

La interna colorada se tensó en estos días, luego de que el diputado Gustavo Zubía resolvió desistir de su precandidatura y apoyar la del abogado Andrés Ojeda. El precandidato Robert Silva dijo que ese acuerdo representa el regreso de “las viejas prácticas” de “La vieja política”. El ex presidente de la ANEP se molestó porque Zubía había dicho que buscaba una alianza con otro precandidato para impedir que él triunfara en la interna colorada y de ese modo el partido quedara volcado a la “centroizquierda”. “Algunos de nosotros abogamos por propuestas y nos hemos unido para crear proyectos en función de esas propuestas. Otros, en cambio, optan por enfrentar a personas o candidatos. Son enfoques diferentes”. El jefe de campaña de Robert Silva, el diputado Felipe Schipani también ahondó en la polémica a través de sus redes sociales. Allí compartió un fragmento del Programa Santo y Seña del domingo 14, donde el periodista Pablo Fernández asegura que Zubía negoció su apoyo a Andrés Ojeda y a Tabaré Viera a cambio de dinero. “El viejo partido colorado”, escribió Schipani. Horas más tarde, en entrevista con el programa Así Nos Va, Zubía admitió que su acuerdo con Ojeda implica que el precandidato va a colaborar financieramente en la apertura de seis clubes políticos en Montevideo y ocho en el interior, además de comprar minutos de publicidad en medios. De todas maneras, rechazó que eso sea “vieja política”. "La vieja práctica, de la vieja política. ¿Y qué?. ¿La nueva política cuál es? Por favor… En estos cinco años que he estado en el Parlamento solo he visto viejas prácticas de la vieja política. Cómo va a hacer una vieja práctica de la vieja política bajarse, aunar esfuerzos, y lograr una ubicación mejor para octubre que es lo que más cuesta. Yo quiero llegar al Senado". ¿Cómo ven esta decisión de Zubía y estas acusaciones de apelar a “la vieja política”? La Mesa de Análisis Político con Federico Irazábal, Diego Luján, Tamara Samudio y Jaime Yaffé.

El diputado colorado Gustavo Zubía provocó una gran polémica la semana pasada. Durante una entrevista en el programa televisivo Desayunos Informales, de Canal 12, Zubía, que también precandidato a la Presidencia, comentó el miércoles 14 que hay “mujeres” de 12 años que pueden estar “contentísimas” de tener relaciones sexuales con un mayor. Los dichos de Zubía provocaron respuestas desde distintas tiendas. Hablando con La Diaria, Andrea Tuana, directora de la asociación civil El Paso, dijo: "Nunca podemos decir que a los 12 años una niña está contentísima, porque diríamos que las víctimas abusadas sexualmente o violadas están contentísimas de serlo”. Y agregó: “Realmente es una expresión que para un legislador es completamente infeliz, es preocupante y creo que debería rectificarse". Incluso en el Partido Colorado hubo señalamientos. La Prosecretaría de Género y Diversidad solicitó al Comité Ejecutivo Nacional que trate los dichos de Zubía. La prosecretaria del área, Desirée Pagliarini, explicó a La Diaria que “ha habido muchas repercusiones internas” y “comentarios en rechazo”. Otra voz colorada que se pronunció al respecto fue la diputada María Eugenia Rosselló, quien consideró las declaraciones como “infelices e inexactas”, pero quien también declaró: “Si me preguntan si lo anterior equivale a decir que el diputado Zubía realizó una apología de la violación, o de la pedofilia, o que minimizó las situaciones de delitos de violación, mi respuesta también es negativa. La forma de expresarse del diputado no fue acertada. Debió ser más cauteloso al momento de elegir las palabras. Eso es así. Pero esto no es sinónimo de aceptar o naturalizar el delito de violación ni ningún tipo de abuso que se cometa hacia niñas, niños o adolescentes”. Zubía, a su vez, respondió que lo criticaron con “mala intención”. Hablando con El Observador, aclaró que la situación que describió en Canal 12 califica de violación pero “sin violencia” física. "La violación se llama ope legis, por encima de la ley, cuando la niña puede dar su consentimiento biológico. No hay violencia física, hay violencia moral porque la niña no está apta para dar su consentimiento legal", dijo. El diputado agregó: "Ha habido una enorme cantidad de casos donde la persona está deseosa de mantener relaciones sexuales, pero no puede dar el consentimiento válido porque es una persona incapaz. Ahora, lo decís así y sos poco menos que un hereje a quemar en la hoguera". Estas situaciones hay que entenderlas "técnicamente y no emocionalmente", sostuvo el diputado. La Tertulia de los Lunes con Mariella Demarco, Patricia González, Gabriel Mazzarovich y Óscar Silveira.

Los partidos políticos volvieron a abrir la discusión sobre la conducción de la Fiscalía General de la Nación, un asunto que genera diferencias hace más de dos años. El debate se reabrió luego de que el fiscal de Corte interino, Juan Gómez, fuera internado a fines del año pasado por un quebranto de salud. Gómez pidió licencia por un mes, pero estará sometido a un tratamiento médico por un tiempo prolongado, por lo que se desconoce cuándo podrá regresar a su cargo. En su lugar asumió interinamente la fiscal de Estupefacientes, Mónica Ferrero, que lo subrogó. En ese contexto, el diputado nacionalista Juan Martín Rodríguez propuso públicamente retomar y “darle mayor velocidad y tratamiento” al proyecto de ley de su colega colorado Gustavo Zubía para que la Fiscalía General de la Nación pase a estar dirigida por un triunvirato. Rodríguez consideró que sería una alternativa ante la imposibilidad que el sistema político tiene hoy de lograr mayorías especiales para designar a un nuevo fiscal de Corte que suplante definitivamente a Gómez. Sin embargo, la idea tiene reparos dentro del oficialismo, por ejemplo, del senador nacionalista Jorge Gandini. El legislador sostuvo que la idea de Zubía “legalizaría la partidización” de la fiscalía. Gandini opinó que la mejor solución por ahora es que la Fiscalía quede a cargo de Mónica Ferrero, que suplantó a Gómez. Lo mismo afirmó otro senador blanco, Luis Alberto Heber, que definió a Ferrero como una “garantía de buen proceder y compromiso” en la lucha contra el crimen organizado. Heber dijo que Ferrero es una “enemiga” del narcotráfico y concluyó: “No hay una Fiscal mejor que ella para cumplir tan importante misión”. Conversamos En Perspectiva con el autor del proyecto, el diputado Gustavo Zubía.

Get your tickets to WWP Night with the Grand Rapids Griffins!: https://griffinshockey.com/wwp Ryan is back & the Winged Wheel Podcast is at full health - but the Detroit Red Wings aren't. Tune in as we start by recapping Detroit's loss to Dallas without Dylan Larkin, J.T. Compher, David Perron, or Klim Kostin to help, thoughts on an ailing defense behind Seider, Walman, Gostisbehere, and Chiarot, Reimer's performance compared to Lyon and Husso, & more on Steve Yzerman's squad (6:05). Next, the scrappy win over the St. Louis Blues which saw Craig Berube fired, including Jonatan Berggren's 2nd straight goal, Joe Veleno's unreal play, Raymond, Rasmussen, Fabbri, & others standing out, & more (16:40). Next, Red Wings news including David Perron's suspension for cross-checking Zub after the Joseph - Larkin incident (and his appeal to Gary Bettman & a 3rd party arbitrator) (28:35), Jonatan Berggren being in trade rumors (37:30), an update on Patrick Kane, Nate Danielson & the World Juniors, & more (44:50). After that, NHL news including Connor McDavid consulting on a new All-Star game format, Washington's D.C. vs. Virginia arena ordeal, Jakub Vrana clearing waivers, Tkachuk vs. Kochetkov, Gudbranson vs. Cousins, & LOTS more (49:15) before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:13:30) - enjoy! Head over to wingedwheelpodcast.com to find all the ways to listen, how to support the show, and so much more Head to bit.ly/labatt_wingedwheelpodcast to find Labatt in stores near you today! Must be 21+. Always Enjoy Responsibly. #ad 

Ferraro and Dreger check in on the week's top stories so far. Department of Player Safety having to examine a number of situations this week. Perron on Zub. Gudbranson on Cousins and Strome on Connor. John Tavares hits 1000 points on the road in the arena he called home for many years. Maple Leafs goaltending situation is murky at best. Avs Mikko Rantanen claps back at a teammate's dad. Ask Ray and Dregs Anything clarifies the "decentralized draft" and how state taxes affect the salary cap.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jeff and Elliotte look back at a particularly violent weekend in the NHL that saw some nasty hits on the likes of Larkin, Zub, Barron, Brodin, and Gudbranson. How will the NHL react and can we expect the league to dial things down in the aftermath of this weekend? They also talk about Ethan Bear's future and how the Washington Capitals have emerged as favourites (21:22). Elliotte also suggests that Andrei Kuzmenko could possibly be shopped around by the Vancouver Canucks (23:40). The guys dive into the unravelling of the Carolina Hurricanes (25:24). Elliotte gives Jeff his flowers admits he was wrong about the Philadelphia Flyers (34:03).The guys answer your questions in the Montana's Thought Line (37:13) and Elliotte sits down for a 1-on-1 interview with Nashville Predators defensemen Luke Schenn (1:01:32).Email the podcast at 32thoughts@sportsnet.ca or call the Montana's Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail.This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve signs his zoo book (00:00), John Tavares goes for point 1000 (03:00), the Leafs have been playing GREAT lately! (06:30), Ethan Bear to the Caps (34:00), Erik Gudbranson on Nick Cousins (40:00), Larkin, Zub, Joseph, Kelly, & Perron (53:00), Ryan Strome on Kyle Connor (1:03:00), Evander Kane and Ryan Hartman (1:10:00), Eric Robinson on Justin Barron (1:16:00), Kyle Dubas isn't making and coaching changes (1:18:30), and the American baseball media disrespects Canada (1:43:00). Visit this episode's sponsors: For all the odds and to learn more visit https://betmgm.com/DANGLE Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://igamingontario.ca/en/player/responsible-gambling Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Must be 19+ or older to play. Use code SDP for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SDP Make your brain your friend, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: info@sdpn.ca Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Talking about Perron, Joseph, Cousins, Gudbranson, Strome, and why so many guys are crossing the line. Who's to blame?0:00 – Intro 3:00 – Instigator Penalty 4:20 – Mathieu Joseph hit on Larkin 6:40 – Perron Crosscheck on Zub and suspension 9:00 – Nick Cousins hit on Gudbranson 12:50 – Gudbranson attacks Cousins 16:00 – Strome Knee on Kyle Connor 18:45 – Evander Kane hit on Brodin 25:00 – Reffing 26:15 – Pittsburgh Penguins 33:00 – Ovechkin 34:30 – Door Dash Quick Hits 34:50 – Robert Bortuzzo Trade 35:30 – Jesse Puljujarvi 36:20 – Boone Jenner Puck to the Face 37:00 – Edmonton Oilers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

El diputado Gustavo Zubía se sumó la semana pasada a la lista de precandidatos presidenciales del Partido Colorado. Y lo hizo con un fuerte énfasis en seguridad pública, un tema en el que viene insistiendo hace años en la Cámara de Representantes. En el discurso que pronunció en el acto de lanzamiento de su campaña, el legislador cuestionó la “tibieza” que, dijo, tiene el gobierno del presidente Luis Lacalle Pou en la represión al delito. Zubía sostuvo que se necesita un cambio en la gestión del Ministerio del Interior. El diputado se ubicó dentro del espectro político en la “centro-derecha” y reivindicó “valores antiguos y de otras generaciones que lamentablemente se pierden”. Profundizamos sobre este lanzamiento En Perspectiva con el el diputado Gustavo Zubía.

This week on Back Issue Bloodbath, Andrew and Petula give their review of the first Conan The Barbarian by Jim Zub and Rob De La Torre. The post Back Issue Bloodbath Episode 420: Conan the Barbarian by Zub and De La Torre appeared first on Geek Hard.

It is a big weekend ahead for the Ottawa Senators as they face off against Alex DeBrincat and the Detroit Red Wings! Brandon Piller and Ross Levitan get you set for the game with Locked On and Look Out players and Keys to Victory! We welcome on Marc Methot onto the show to discuss the dynamic of Cat returning and how fans should feel and react, plus with Zub out of the lineup how should the D-Core be set up and more! Zack MacEwan clears waivers and will report to the Belleville Senators for their Home Opener. Check us out on TWITTER and YOUTUBE!Support us. y supporting our sponsors!Jase MedicalGet $20 off these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.Sleeper Download the Sleeper App and use promo code LOCKEDONNHL to get up to a $100 match on your first deposit. Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper's Terms of Use for details.BirddogsGo to birddogs.com/LOCKEDONNHL or enter promo code LOCKEDONNHL for a free water bottle with any order. You won't want to take your birddogs off we promise you.Glebe Central Pub Glebe Central Pub is your neighbourhood pub in the heart of the Glebe. Great people, great food and tasty drinks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It is a big weekend ahead for the Ottawa Senators as they face off against Alex DeBrincat and the Detroit Red Wings!  Brandon Piller and Ross Levitan get you set for the game with Locked On and Look Out players and Keys to Victory! We welcome on Marc Methot onto the show to discuss the dynamic of Cat returning and how fans should feel and react, plus with Zub out of the lineup how should the D-Core be set up and more! Zack MacEwan clears waivers and will report to the Belleville Senators for their Home Opener.  Check us out on TWITTER and YOUTUBE! Support us. y supporting our sponsors! Jase Medical Get $20 off these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com. Sleeper  Download the Sleeper App and use promo code LOCKEDONNHL to get up to a $100 match on your first deposit. Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper's Terms of Use for details. Birddogs Go to birddogs.com/LOCKEDONNHL or enter promo code LOCKEDONNHL for a free water bottle with any order. You won't want to take your birddogs off we promise you. Glebe Central Pub  Glebe Central Pub is your neighbourhood pub in the heart of the Glebe. Great people, great food and tasty drinks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Officials getting in the way, Tony D going off for going off, coaches vs. refs, Zub gets handsy, a plethora of penalty shots in the NHL, Coach's Challenges, suspensions and fines for OHL post-game brawl, and a case of double-goaltender intereference? Visit scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads.. Email us your questions - heyref@scoutingtherefs.com Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports. Lewis is a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio. He's also worked for TSN, Sportsnet as a host/anchor and is a producer of other programs. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent site related to hockey officiating which follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ostro sledované urgentné príjmy. (Non) Lege artis: (ne)správny postup. Zub v kúte najviac bolí. CT ako štandard v stomatochirurgii? NEXT? KATEDRA TERORIZMU #gruzinskyspecial5  https://open.spotify.com/episode/1j2rhZd5LNqL6UIXmsDjXZ?si=2u5KAbmJTSeeMngldnmW3Q  * VRAŽEDNÉ PSYCHÉ 100! Epizóda, ktorú nikdy nebudete počuť, ale môžete ju zažiť! Oslavujeme 100 epizód a 10 miliónov vypočutí! Ako predskokan podcast Profil Zločinu s Kristínou Kovešovou. 28. 9. o 19:00 / Edison Park - Bratislava. * Produkcia @doktormafilipaofficial by ZAPO @zapoofficial  

Musician and singer Zuber Saleh faced many difficulties when he started his musical career more than thirty years ago. Singing and playing the Buzuq/Tenbour is a passion since his childhood. Mr. Salih said that music and singing are part of the Kurdish culture and have a great role in preserving the Kurdish language. - Muzîvan û stranbêj Zubêr Salih dema ku dest bi muzîk û stranbêjiyê kir rastî gelek dijwariyan hat. Ew zêdeyî 30 sal e hunermendiyê dike ku meraqeke ji zaroktiya wî de bû. Awaza stranbêjiya mamoste Zubêr ji hunermendên din cûda ye. Huner û stranbêjî beşekin ji kultûra Kurdî ku roleke xwe ya mezin di parastina zimanê Kurdî de heye. Hevpeyvîn ji arşîvê ye.

Is Wally running Chabot out of town? Wally, Yorkie, & Bobby Ryan break down video from the loss to Calgary, keying in on Zub, DeBrincat, Pinto, and Chabot. Jakob Chychrun has played very well for the Sens, and we'll see just how good he is if Chabot is down with an injury as he'll likely replace the minutes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, we are joined by writer and artist Jim Zub. The creator behind the hit comic book series Wayward, Conan the Barbarian, and many entries in the Marvel Comics library with his most recent being the new Thunderbolts team led by Hawkeye and the series of one-shots that brings a dark and twisted look into Murderworld as Marvel's best superheroes are put to a sinister test when taking on Arcade's master creation. Zub took the time to touch on many of his recent projects such as Thunderbolts, Rick & Morty vs. Dungeons & Dragons, and Murderworld. Whether you are an avid comic book fan, a D&D character who has to take time off from rolling dice to do pesky adult responsibilities, or you just love listening to a couple of geeks talk about what they love, then you have made it to the right place. Enjoy and remember to always geek responsibly! Find Jim Zub on social media: | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | Visit Geek Network for your guide to the geek entertainment news you love.

Zub.Ross Levitan and Brandon Piller are quick to forget about the Ottawa Senators 5-1 loss to the Winnipeg Jets, with the help of news that the Sens have agreed to a contract extension with RHD Artem Zub. We discuss the value this $4.6M AAV brings, how it could affect the rest of next years roster building and more. Then, we're joined by this weeks SensCentral Citizen, Nick Anderson. Nick had #BOTG in WPG for last nights game - great conversation with him and then we wrap up discussing the likelyhood that Tim Stützle could return from injury for Thursdays game against the Washington Capitals.Follow the show on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM, subscribe on YOUTUBE and please check out the SensCentral Merch Store!Support us by supporting our sponsors!GLEBE CENTRAL PUB: Your neighbourhood pub in the heart of the Glebe. Great people, great food and tasty drinks. Come by 779 Bank Street and check out our Sens Game Shuttle!Farm2Fork: This episode is brought to you by Farm2Fork! Visit Farm2ForkDelivery.ca today to taste the Farm2Fork difference. You'll never go back to grocery store meats! Shawarma Palace: Ottawa's Favourite Shawarma Since 97 • Six Ottawa locations • Authentic and delicious flavours • The only palace for Shawarma.FARM2FORK: Taste the Farm2Fork difference! You will never go back to grocery store meats. Go to farm2forkdelivery.ca - and use this limited time promo code ZUB15 for 15% off!Built Bar: Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you'll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline: Today's Episode is brought to you by BetOnline. BetOnline has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts!SimpliSafe: With Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There's No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe.com/LockedOnNHL to learn more.Athletic Greens: To make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give you a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com/NHLNETWORK#OttawaSenators #Sens #NHLHockey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zub. Ross Levitan and Brandon Piller are quick to forget about the Ottawa Senators 5-1 loss to the Winnipeg Jets, with the help of news that the Sens have agreed to a contract extension with RHD Artem Zub. We discuss the value this $4.6M AAV brings, how it could affect the rest of next years roster building and more. Then, we're joined by this weeks SensCentral Citizen, Nick Anderson. Nick had #BOTG in WPG for last nights game - great conversation with him and then we wrap up discussing the likelyhood that Tim Stützle could return from injury for Thursdays game against the Washington Capitals. Follow the show on TWITTER, INSTAGRAM, subscribe on YOUTUBE and please check out the SensCentral Merch Store! Support us by supporting our sponsors! GLEBE CENTRAL PUB: Your neighbourhood pub in the heart of the Glebe. Great people, great food and tasty drinks. Come by 779 Bank Street and check out our Sens Game Shuttle! Farm2Fork: This episode is brought to you by Farm2Fork! Visit Farm2ForkDelivery.ca today to taste the Farm2Fork difference. You'll never go back to grocery store meats!  Shawarma Palace: Ottawa's Favourite Shawarma Since 97 • Six Ottawa locations • Authentic and delicious flavours • The only palace for Shawarma. FARM2FORK: Taste the Farm2Fork difference! You will never go back to grocery store meats. Go to farm2forkdelivery.ca - and use this limited time promo code ZUB15 for 15% off! Built Bar: Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you'll get 15% off your next order. BetOnline: Today's Episode is brought to you by BetOnline. BetOnline has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! SimpliSafe: With Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There's No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe.com/LockedOnNHL to learn more. Athletic Greens: To make it easy, Athletic Greens is going to give you a FREE 1 year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. All you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com/NHLNETWORK #OttawaSenators #Sens #NHLHockey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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INTRODUCTION: I hold a Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Exposition, with an interdisciplinary in Literature, from Moody Bible Institute. I was one of two recipients of the MBI Homiletical Jury Award for outstanding preaching in 2016. I have experience as a youth pastor, pastoral intern, academic journal editor, and guest speaker.  I used to be a part of the largest cult in the United States. In 2019, I published my first book as a first step in addressing the subtle issues of this complex system. In 2021, I continued my work with this podcast!  INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):  ·      The Cult That Is Christianity ·      Control – Containment - Conversion·      How Sermons Are Put Together·      Toxic Positivity ·      Churches' Role In Divorce·      Religious/Church Trauma·      How The Church Likes To Be Like The World·      Different Rules For Leaders Vs. Followers In Church·      Why We Have Trust Issues With The Church·      Where Did All These Rules Come From?·      An Interesting Explanation Of Narcissism ·      Religious Discrimination  CONNECT WITH JOHN: Website, Social Media & Books: https://linktr.ee/thecultofchristianity CONNECT WITH DE'VANNON: Website: https://www.SexDrugsAndJesus.comWebsite: https://www.DownUnderApparel.comYouTube: https://bit.ly/3daTqCMFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SexDrugsAndJesus/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexdrugsandjesuspodcast/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TabooTopixLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devannonPinterest: https://www.pinterest.es/SexDrugsAndJesus/_saved/Email: DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com  DE'VANNON'S RECOMMENDATIONS: ·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)o  https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370o  TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs ·      OverviewBible (Jeffrey Kranz)o  https://overviewbible.como  https://www.youtube.com/c/OverviewBible ·      Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed (Documentary)o  https://press.discoveryplus.com/lifestyle/discovery-announces-key-participants-featured-in-upcoming-expose-of-the-hillsong-church-controversy-hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed/ ·      Leaving Hillsong Podcast With Tanya Levino  https://leavinghillsong.podbean.com  ·      Upwork: https://www.upwork.com·      FreeUp: https://freeup.net VETERAN'S SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS ·      Disabled American Veterans (DAV): https://www.dav.org·      American Legion: https://www.legion.org ·      What The World Needs Now (Dionne Warwick): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHAs9cdTqg  INTERESTED IN PODCASTING OR BEING A GUEST?: ·      PodMatch is awesome! This application streamlines the process of finding guests for your show and also helps you find shows to be a guest on. The PodMatch Community is a part of this and that is where you can ask questions and get help from an entire network of people so that you save both money and time on your podcasting journey.https://podmatch.com/signup/devannon  TRANSCRIPT: [00:00:00] You're listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to! And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right at the end of the day. My name is De'Vannon and I'll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world as we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what's really going on in your life.There is nothing off the table and we've got a lot to talk about. So let's dive right into this episode.De'Vannon: Hey, y'all and welcome back to the sex drugs in Jesus podcast. I love having you every week. I, so look forward to it and this week is no different and we're coming in hot and heavy with episode 67. As we talk about some religious and church trauma. Y'all John Verner is my guess. And this man is a smart motherfucker.He is well educated. He is well learned, well traveled and well studied. He's the author of the book [00:01:00] called the cult of Christianity. He hosts a podcast after the same title. And in the days episode, we're discussing his very hurtful history with churches as he opens up about his very, very, very personal experiences while he's giving us at the same time, a very inside look at how churches work, because he's been on staff at churches and things like that before.I hope you're delighted about everything. John has to say take a listen.Hello? Are you beautiful bitches? I would like to welcome you right back here to the sex drugs and motherfucking Jesus podcast. I have with me a delicious that nutritious man by the name of John M I'm gonna pronounce his name as VAE because John: VAE, I love that.That's so no one's ever done that. That's good. That's my name from now on. I love that De'Vannon: he is the host of the coat of Christie Andy podcast, and he is [00:02:00] a, the author of a delicious and nutritious book titled the same. And everyone knows my history, my chaotic and turbulent history with the church. And so when I discovered this son of a bitch, I decided, Hey, John: hi.Hi. Hi, how you doing today? I am doing great. Thank you so much for having me on I love the, the title of your pod. I was laughing cuz haven't had a ton of sex. I've only done a little bit of drugs, but boy, I've done a lot of Jesus. So I'm, I'm happy to be on. De'Vannon: Oh, the way Jesus is packaged by these churches makes him just as much of a narcotic as anything.John: absolutely. Absolutely. De'Vannon: So you've had all the drugs and so. In your own words, tell us your history and everything. Before I open my cock holster and do it for you. John: all right. Sounds great. Yeah. So I grew up very religious [00:03:00] very Christian. I had what you might call like a, a reformed upbringing, which is kind of a more conservative and formal version of evangelicalism.And my dad was in leadership in the church. Church was a part of life. We went to Sunday morning and evening service. We went, you know, a couple times during the week. And so all my social life was at church. I was homeschooled. So church was kind of the world to me. But I was always a pretty skeptical child.Things didn't quite add up to me. So it wasn't until age 11, where I officially converted after asking a lot of questions about how we could trust the Bible and what if we're all questions? And so I was really good. Other than that, though, I was a goody two shoes, you know, never did nothing [00:04:00]wrong.But then after I converted to Christianity officially, I yeah. Decided to take it very seriously to the point where at 17 years old, I felt the call to be a pastor. And so started looking at college options and. There weren't a ton for undergrad. And so I was like, well, I want to, I wanna get going now I'm on fire now.Praise Jesus. So wanted to, I wanted to go be a pastor and I didn't want to have to wait eight years to do it. And so I found a good at the time reputable college where I could study biblical exposition. So I went and got that degree. I have a bachelor of arts and biblical exposition with an interdisciplinary literature and got that, got married, got hitched.And by the time I graduated, [00:05:00] I was a little burned out. I thought it was just normal ministry burn. And so I figured I'll take a little time off from this church stuff. I'll still go to church regularly. I was still a youth pastor. That's what taking it taking time off. Looks like when you're a Christian is just doing less, but still being very active.And so. Then I went through a very, very messy divorce that kind of drove me into a downward spiral. Had a bit of a, a flirtatious dance with alcoholism. I like to say where you know, I, and nothing really mattered anymore. And I was trying to reconcile all the problems I had had with Christianity my whole life that I just kept kind of putting on the back burner.And I got burned by the church. My ex-spouse got burned by the church as well through the process of our divorce. And I was like, you know, I'm not sure, I'm not sure if all of this [00:06:00] is true. Fast forwarding through a lot of funny stories. You get to me living in a van, traveling with my cat across the country where I started to write my book, the cult of Christianity, how church's control, contain, and convert.So I wrote that book was expecting a lot of backlash, got some . But not as much as I was expecting, I suppose. So that was nice and refreshing. And then in early 20, 21 I was thinking of different ways to promote the book. And I was like, oh, a lot of authors have podcasts to promote their books.So let me do it that way. And I was like, but you know, probably only six people will listen or whatever, it'll be nothing. And then the podcast did way better than the book did and so I got to start interviewing people. I was very interested in interviewing, including Christians that's. Some of my favorite stuff to do is get into interviews with [00:07:00] Christians.And so that's kind of what I do now. And currently I'm between seasons, but it's really been rewarding to be able to talk about from both my experience and my expertise. How Christianity, especially white American evangelicalism functions as a cult. That's me. De'Vannon: Hallelujah, tabernacle and praiseSo we're gonna dig deep into everything that you just said. I wanted to get into your podcast artwork though. Mm-hmm cause it there's this huge guy standing on a pedestal platform or a chair or something like that. And then three minions surrounding him and bowing. And I couldn't tell, is that supposed to be God or is that supposed to be the church or a preacher?What does that, what does this artwork mean John: to you? Wow, this is FA nobody's ever asked me this. This is a great question. So I've gone through different iterations of artwork have even consulted with other people to update the artwork, cuz it's pretty [00:08:00] old at this point and I haven't been able to get away from it.And one of the main reasons is I love the non-descript nature of it. There it's it's for, for your audience, it's basically clip art and it looks you can't tell if it's. The gender, the race you can't tell if it's God or if it's a preacher. And I like that because I think that's a lot of what goes on at church who, who is being worshiped.Who's the one bowing, the knee, who's the one on the pedestal. So every time I've tried to make the artwork more grabby or more interesting, I end up saying more with it than I mean to but the, the, the, the way I interpret it and other people can interpret it. Other ways is cults have hierarchies.There's always leaders and followers. There's always one person or several people on pedestals, and then other people just basically having to [00:09:00] submit to their authority and in any environment where that is demanded, I think it can qualify as a cult. My three alliterative words are control containment, conversion.And so I hope that the art communicates like that's, if you were able to zoom out and take away all the social constructs, that's kind of what Christianity actually is concur. De'Vannon: Yeah. I appreciate the, I appreciate the the ambiguity of the huge figure. And I I've said the same thing myself and I've, and I've been, I've done this in the past, you know, worship to pastors without really realizing it.I worship the building, the worship leaders you know, anybody up on a stage and yeah. And, you know, so, and I learned in, in my hypnotherapy training, you know, when a person is on a stage, we subconsciously bow them in a way, you know, before we even realize that just by virtue of them being on a stage.And [00:10:00] we're not really as critical of people as we should be, just because they're on a stage. So you said your Bible college was credible at the time. Did they fall into some scandal or anything since you grew? Oh John: A handful it's moody Bible Institute. You can just Google moody Bible Institute, controversy, moody Bible Institute, title nine moody Bible Institute you know abuse, whatever while, while I was there, I mean about just while I was a student there were about.I would say at least two or three, pretty like nationally recognizable scandals. The thing is, it's such a small school that people forget about it very quickly. The campus I went to doesn't even exist anymore. It's it's shut down. They only have one campus now in Chicago and I believe they're struggling pretty hard.But yeah, the, the [00:11:00] what's funny though, is the education I received at the secondary campus, I would say was, was shockingly solid. It was, it was pretty good. But the culture was brutal. It was bad toxic from the top down. De'Vannon: Lie, scandals and John: deceptions. Yeah, the fun. So De'Vannon: a gondola , but you were pretty good.I read where you, you were one of two recipients of the, the moody Bible Institute, home tical jury award for outstanding ING in the year 20 scene. So does that mean you can hoop and holler or John: what? Yeah, I, I won preaching. So yeah, it was silly. It's it's so every graduating senior at moody Bible Institute, I believe on both campuses faces a Holi jury homily, just meaning sermons a jury, meaning people who judge youAnd so [00:12:00] you stand before, it's usually a panel. I think it's four judges, usually a preacher from the local community, the preaching prof. An administrator and another professor and yeah, scored almost perfect on my sermon. So it was fun. But can you imagine anything more boring than a bunch of 22 year olds preaching 30 minutes sermons for three to five hours over two days and sitting through them and marking them on how good their gestures are, their use of visual aids.Did I get the big idea of their sermon? That kind of thing. But I'm apparently I was really good at it, so I don't know what that says about me, but you, De'Vannon: you preached for three or to five hours straight for three John: days. Oh, I just preached 30 minutes, but there was the students rotate through. Okay.For hours. Yeah. Okay. So what De'Vannon: I'm curious about. You, you, you, you, you just said like a few of the things that they critique you on. [00:13:00] I wanna know exactly how they analyze a sermon for quality, because this is my gripe I have with, with this new culture where these churches, the, they pre-write the sermon, they gotta get previewed by the board or whatever, you know, before it's put out to the church, I feel like they're doing that so they can be sure they have certain keywords and phrases and everything.So they can effectively, still mind fuck the congregation. to me, it feels like it's not as authentic. You know, it as how, when you read, like, you know, the Hebrew Bible and everything like that, when those people preach, they just got up and spoke. It was the same thing were the preachers who raised me.There was none of this. I need to write it down shit. And so, yeah. What, what rubric, what are they checking for? John: Wow. This is a huge, I mean, this is worth a whole episode. I, I, I particularly enjoy deconstructing how servants work, because I think a lot of people don't [00:14:00] even know the process and there are a million different styles.So the camp I was trained in would be called big idea, preach. There are literally books about different styles and structures of sermons. But the I guess philosophy or, or ministry style I, I was trained in is called big idea preaching. Big idea. Preaching just means there's one big idea you're trying to get across throughout the whole sermon.It's you repeat one phrase? The sermon I won on the big idea was God lets us be lonely so that we will know he is our only which boy, is that a problematic statement? But, but it won. And so, so, so many things, one in, in the camp I'm trained in, you memorize your sermon, meaning you manuscript it, you type every single word you're going to [00:15:00] say, and you memorize it.You have no notes. And I'm very thankful for that, cuz it makes you an effective speaker. But when. I'm most cynical about my degree. I joke that I have a degree in Ted talks because that's kind of what sermons, at least in the more trendy churches are now. Some of the more old school, if you're in a traditional Protestant church, you might hear three point sermons that was very common.They'll usually have an alliteration or something like that, you know, three CS or, you know, four DS or whatever. Mm-hmm, kind of a point by point sermon that's pretty common. Most sermons are gonna have a, basically like a, a three part structure, a hook, you know, where you get people interested in listening to you.It could be a personal story or an anecdote from history or something like that. Then it's got the meat of the content that can look like reading through the Bible and commentary style, you know, where you're just commenting on the verses as you're going through, or it can [00:16:00] be principles you've drawn out.You might, this is where you would do word studies or talk about the original context and then application, or what, why is this relevant? Is usually the third part in the style I was trained in. And that third part is where you relate it back to Jesus and the gospel story. So sermons are very ordered and structured now in different eras of history, they have been different things.And even in the us, I mean, during the great awakening, they were very you know, fire in brimstone. We joke about that, but, but they were oftentimes off the top of the head and very impassioned different cultures worldwide have viewed sermons very differently. Sermons, in my opinion, didn't even really exist back in ancient Judaism they, they were more storytellers and, and so there might have been parables, but what we would think of [00:17:00] now as a sermon, I, I don't think quite existed until probably the apostolic era.Probably I don't even personally think Jesus preached sermons which is not a popular belief, but I think he was just speaking and people were following him. And some of it got written down. So, so sermons mean different things to different people. But if we're talking about the word preach and Greek, I mean, it really just means proclaiming or talking.It, it's not a thing that a special person ordained by a committee reviewed by peers is supposed to speak about, it's not an academic thing or at least it wasn't originally. So it's definitely turned into something quite different than it used to be.What do De'Vannon: you think about Joel Ostein? John: I love him. De'Vannon: wait. I bring him up. I know. I, I get to sarcasm in your toes. Yeah. I, I [00:18:00] bring him up because that's the church that I was at before I got kicked out. And mm-hmm, I talk about, I talk about Lakewood church a lot because that's where my greatest church trauma happened at.Had it been at beque church of God in Christ or Sally's church, or the way that I would talking about beque or Sally and not Joe Ostein, but that's just where the shit went down. And it just happens to be the largest church in America. And but it's convenient for my task. Since he is, since he does own the largest church in America, other churches look up to him and they try to emulate the things that they do.And so, and that's why I like to dissect them all the time, because you have a lot of people, there's people who even like stream and broadcast their service into like their gym auditorium. And that is their service. Right. At least the case when I still went there. So their influences is global mm-hmm what, what do you, what, what, just tell me what you think [00:19:00] about them.John: So I have a, probably the strangest X evangelical non-Christian anymore relationship with Joel Ostein in that everyone wants to talk about him. And they did when I was at Bible college too, like in, in a negative light. And he deserves a lot of it. Don't get me wrong. I mean, he is, he is very like outwardly Almost unapologetically in it for the money.I mean, you don't have to be a super like analytical person to just look at his church and go something doesn't add up here. The problem with him is he is a great scapegoat for more local churches and people who think they're better than Joel Ostein. And they're not doing the exact same things that Joel Ostein does.He's a great scapegoat for them to say, yeah, you gotta watch out for wolves and sheeps closing, like Joel Ostein instead of facing how they operate Colts in very similar ways. So [00:20:00] that's kind of the angle I come at it from don't get me wrong. Everything negative anyone's ever said about Joel Ostein is probably true.But he does not scare me as much as the local churches do. Primarily because local churches don't have a national audience. They're not under the same kind of microscope. They can get away with a lot more. So those are just my initial thoughts, but I'm happy to dig into more De'Vannon: dissect the preaching style.So when I was there, people used to, you know, criticize him for being too happy. They would say people would jump up in the middle of a sermon and holler and stuff before security and their asses out of the building and stuff like that. I'd show up the church and there'd be protestors and everything like that.I thought all of that was a bit extreme. Mm-hmm but, but I don't know. I mean, on the one hand, I [00:21:00] was like, I'm happy to hear something happy instead of the fire in the Bri me Stoney. But since after I got kicked out of there, I went through so much bad stuff. The person I am now like a message, like his would be too, like Milky, like it wouldn't sustain.Like it, it doesn't really speak to deep shit. John: Yeah. Well, so the it's kind of like the concept of toxic positivity, right. He, and, and in Christian circles, they'll call it the prosperity gospel. So yeah, I think that's bad. I think it's bad not to be able to admit that life is tough and hard and like has bad things in it.And when you're unable to articulate that it's suspicious. I because the background I came from was never positive and toxically cynical. Again, Joel Ostein doesn't trigger me as much. I'm like, oh look, someone being a nice person. Who's a Christian. That's refreshing. [00:22:00] So, so that's kind of what I, I think, but I will say, so I read, I read your best life now.And I, you know, I was in a culture that thought Joel Ostein was the devil. And so I always kind of was more charitable towards him than a lot of other people. But as far as the preaching style, he's a great speaker and people who emulate him are gonna be great speakers. Why? Because it's the same formula Ted talks do.You can watch a Ted talk and think it's the most amazing thing you've ever heard. And then you sit back for another five minutes and you're like, I have no idea what they actually. Like, I, I don't, I don't know if they said anything of value at all, or if they just have such a good speaking style that it was engaging, regardless of whether the material was actually relevant to anythingSo I think the same thing goes on with Joel Ostein. I think it's nice to listen to 'em it feels good. And then you sit back and you go, you didn't really say anything like nothing, [00:23:00] nothing profound was said, I De'Vannon: concur. And y'all when he says your best life. Now he's talking about Joel's first book. And I read that one too.And I agree with you. I was like, and even as I was going to church there for all those years, it got to a point, well, the sermons started being repeated from time to right. And then I would kind of be like and especially now that I'm away from it, I'm like the fuck that you really just say , but you know, that's a part of the whole.Hypnosis aspect of it, you know, by the time you're done with all the laser lights and the worship and the smoke fog and everything like that, your critical mind is blasted. Like you don't have any yeah. You're just open to whatever the fuck is going to be said. And and what you said about it being a formula, it's true.Like I see the same shit replicated in all the OST stings, the way they preach. Mm-hmm, be it, the ones there at Lakewood or their extended family to have other churches in Texas and stuff like that. [00:24:00] And the way they all crank out these books and everything, you know, it finally collected me when, like, this is not it's like, so like rare and special.This is not necessarily God saying thou shall preach this. Or thou she write this book, right. Bitch has got an ABC 1 23 algorithm. And you're just repeating the same shit over again. Mm-hmm and then my problem is with that is that they don't share it to the whole world. Like they're only giving it to like their select few people.Yeah, John: well, any good business model, you don't give away all your content for free, right? And churches are no different. You know, they, they claim everything is free. But it's not, it's, it's a, it's an MLM. It's you know, the, and, and that comes in my opinion, from their theological perspective, that all you need to have a good life is to just believe Jesus was God.I mean, that's a crazy formula to assume, and it comes with a million asterisk because you can [00:25:00] believe Jesus is God, but then all of a sudden you have to serve in the church. You have to have these kind of sexual practices. You have to raise this kind of family. You there's a lot of strings attached the further in you goDe'Vannon: hallelujah, tabernacle and praise. So I wanna go back to this divorce, so sure. How do you identify sexually? John: I don't no, I I I, for, for the sake of my queer friends, I will say that I am SISs head to society. SISs head SISs head SISs head as I'm a cisgender man heterosexual. Sure. Yeah, we'll just go with that.Personally. My, my personal feelings about sexuality is everybody's on a spectrum. The labels are helpful sometimes, but for broad stroke purposes, but if [00:26:00] you actually wanted to get to know me, a simple conversation with a simple label will never do the trick. Oh. De'Vannon: So I might get to have my way with you yet.John: gotta keep the hope alive. De'Vannon: Hercules Hercules. And so, yeah, so, so. I wanna know just how nasty it got with this divorce. Cause I've talked to people like I was kicked out cause they found out I wasn't straight. And they were like, basically you're pedophile will give you conversion therapy if you want it.Other than that, you can't stay. Yeah. So when, and I, but I I've heard of churches treating people who get divorced the same way. Like I don't think getting divorced is I have a lot of opinions on that, but just tell me what happened. I wanna know just, just how nasty did they get? John: Yeah. So I I'll mention, you know, there's obviously parts that I'll omit just outta respect for my expo.But what I will say is it, it came about suddenly it wasn't directly related to any [00:27:00] spiritual issues. We were both, I mean we met at Bible college. So, you know, there, there were expectations that went along with that that I think. Both of us had expectations that changed as we got older, but had no tools to communicate them because we were so indoctrinated to do it a Christian way, but the Christian way did not fit what we wanted to be in our life.So and I wish I was as mature as I am now to, I, I would never have been able to articulate that while it was happening. And, and I was a pretty bad husband. I, I do take 99, if not a hundred percent of the responsibility for that marriage ending. But as far as how it related to the church, they wanted to be so involved and basically micromanage the process of us getting [00:28:00] back together, which initially was both of our goals.When we first separated, we did, we didn't do a clean break. You know, we were. She they had moved out and we were trying to you know, figure out if there was a path forward. And we were, you know, seeing a relationship coach we were actually communicating better than we ever had, but the church was concerned that our relationship coach wasn't, you know, a biblical counselor or whatever.And every time they would meet with us, which we met with them a lot both the head pastor and associate pastor it was like a very mob like, or mafia, like where, you know, well, what are you, are you doing it this way? You know, what, what kind of do, are you interested in our community? I, we would sometimes skip church, right?Because we were exhausted cuz it was an exhausting time and every time we skip church, they would say, even if it's too triggering for y'all to come to ours, you'd need to be going somewhere. [00:29:00]You should never skip church basically. And so it, it, it. It really hurt because by this point I had been burned by churches in big ways, at least two times prior.And so this was definitely a final straw moment for me because I knew what to expect and it happened. And it was just kind of like the, the two previous experiences had really led me to believe that churches can be really toxic, but they're not supposed to be. And the third one was kind of the, the, you know, what do they say in comedy?Two is a suggestion, three confirms the pattern. It was a confirming the pattern that, oh, this is what churches do. This isn't like exception to the rule anymore. They make people feel like crap if they don't do things their way. And it hurt really bad. So that was all kind of vague. I can get [00:30:00]into some more of the details, but, but in general, the idea was.If I did not follow a very specific pass path, I was not going to be welcome regardless of the fact that I had more religious education than most of the congregation, regardless of the fact that I had been a pastoral intern and youth pastor with them, regardless of the fact that I had written some of their policies to protect their children because they had none, regardless of all this effort I had put in, it didn't matter.I was still under their control. De'Vannon: What do you think gives churches the this, this notion that they can poke their nose and the people's personalized? Why do John: they're they're divinely appointed to do so in their head? I mean, that's, that's why they're there. God has put them there to watch over the F.I mean, this is, it is it's from top to bottom, their mentality. [00:31:00] There's there's leaders and followers at church. There always will be because that's, that's the structure that has, has come about. And Catholicism it's stark, right? Like it's, it's obvious, like you have the Pope, you have priests. It's a very, like, you know, they'll even be like you know what clergy is supposed to be abstinent depending on who you ask, but most would say are supposed to be abstinent.I mean, there's like these hu and dressed differently. I mean, these are huge markers, the same things present in evangelicalism and Protestantism. It's just more secretive. It's not as out to the public. They dress different, they talk different, they look different, they eat different. They have different schedules.Everything is different between leaders and follow. Because De'Vannon: when I was and all, all of those activities reinforces the hypnosis and the mind. Fuck. Yeah. Cause it was, I was at Lakewood. They would bring me into the office and ask me if I had a girlfriend. Yeah. You know, see what I'm John: like. It [00:32:00] matters like yeah.De'Vannon: You know, like and that's a huge problem I have with Joel because when he gets on camera, he's all like, everyone's welcome, you know, case sirrah. Yeah. But then he has these policies going on behind closed door that are very discriminatory. Some people have even alleged, possibly legal, you know, and stuff like that.And and so it's just really like a trip. And so you said that you wrote policies to protect children, protect them from. John: Well, just like with any church, you should have policies about you know, relationships with youth ministers and, and kids and, and policies about you know, if, if you're gonna do like any kind of field trips with kids, that kind of stuff, you should just have policies things for parents to sign, just to protect you legally.It's, it's honestly as much to protect the church as anything else from, from lawsuits. But in my opinion, you should also just wanna protect kids from [00:33:00] abuse. And they just didn't have, I mean, they were a pretty young church plant and they just didn't have any after I was pretty much shown the door at that church, I learned they, the policies, they said they weren't gonna use that.I had written, they ended up using them anyways and plagiarizing and saying someone else had written them, not my biggest the biggest crime anyone's ever done against me. So I'm like, I'm happy those policies are there. so it's fine. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's just, it was kind of the, the toxicity of that environment, De'Vannon: because I was wondering.Like when I signed up the volunteering in the kids department at Lakewood, they had like a clause on their saying specifically that they did not want any homosexual serving around their children. Wow. John: That's specific. Dang, because De'Vannon: they hold a they're, they're the type of people who are like, you're either straight or a pedophile and that's wild and that's just where they're at on that.There is no spectrum for them. And so and so when you said you wrote policies to protect children, I was wondering if it was that same sort of anti LGBTQ thing? No, [00:34:00]John: no, I I've I at my most evangelical and at my most bigoted, which I, I would say I was still bigoted. I still never believed in othering.Queer people. It just never, it never got in at that indoctrination. She never sat in there. it just didn't work. My best friend she's trans and we grew up in the same church together. Same churches actually, when I switched changed churches in high school her family did as well. And so when, when sh I, I, even before she came out, like, I, I wasn't super gung-ho about being bigoted.I always thought Westboro was evil, even at my most evangelical, like, you know, that kind of vitriol hate. I never understood, but I would still say, you know, the bigoted things of like, it's not the best way to please God or some bullshit like that. But but yeah, a after she came out and I started reading [00:35:00] more I kind of took the opinion.I was like, even if it is a sin, which I probably did still think it was. I just was like, it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal. like, I, and it's also someone else's business and it probably didn't help at the time that I had my own hatred towards my own sexuality. You know, even just like masturbating felt like, you know, very shameful to me.So I probably thought it was all garbage. So like who cares which is not necessarily the health healthiest mindset. So no, by the time I was, I was writing church policy. I was not I was not like, yeah. And make sure they're not gay, that, that wasn't in my head at all.Hallelujah. De'Vannon: Tabernacle and praise. What, what for you, do you feel like is the deepest, the deepest [00:36:00] religious or church trauma that you received from your time? I agree with you. It really, really sucks when you've served at a church for a while and you have this history and stuff like that, and it all gets discarded right along with you, because in their opinion, you have fallen from grace.You've done any, you know, you've, you've, you know, none of it, none of it matters. You know, the years that I was at Lakewood and the, the 10, the 10, 12 hours you know, the 10 to 12 hours that I was there every week and stuff like that, you know, it's all great. And we can't replace you. We can't do it without you, until they find the blemish.Then suddenly, you know what, we have a new person coming in today and your services are like, you know, no longer need you're fired from everything. Goodbye. Unless of course you do our conversion therapy package. For me it felt like a [00:37:00] bad breakup. It can, yeah, terrible breakup and It was like the end of a relationship.And, and that is my deepest church or religious trauma that I have ever experienced anywhere. So I'm wondering what it is for you. John: Yeah, it's really hard to rank trauma because it all kind of compounds and turns into the same, cuz you know, even if it's not religious trauma, even if it's any kind of trauma, typically you're going to experience similar kinds of trauma throughout your life.Just based on your personality type, your ways of thinking, how you develop as a child, those kind of factors. So it's hard for me to just like pick a, like a silo, like, oh, this one is the, is the kick. I like to talk about my first one, which is it's a very first chapter in my book. I talk about [00:38:00] being I had written a letter to the pastor and elders at 16 years old at the church I was attending. And I I felt that they were not treating the, the youth, the young, young adults and teenagers very well at that church. They weren't being very respectful towards youth and they had different problematic teachings that I was identifying at 16 years old.And so when I'd written this letter, they said, well, let's talk about it. And so they called me into the church into this horrible, like boardroom meeting. And it really did, like, I don't know if you ever watched the apprentice I did. And like that kind of boardroom, it was just very daunting.And they, they, it was three, the three elders I knew the best. And my parents and I and [00:39:00] I actually asked to do it alone. I was like, this is my deal. I wrote the letter. My parents don't need to be here. And so my parents asked if they'd be comfortable with that. So so they asked, they asked my parents, if it was okay, if I faced them alone, they said, yes. And They just ripped into me for like two to three hours. They called my long hair sinful. That was the big, the big thing I took with me, which is why to this day I still have long hair.And they, you know, said the way we dressed was like the world. They said we hugged the female youth too long, me and my, my best friend and just all this crazy stuff. And it was the first time. And, and what was so crazy about it? They were using scripture so wrongly to justify all their shitty opinions, like clearly like no sane person knowing the context or what the [00:40:00] verses even said themselves would use it.There's that verse that says, let no one despise you for your youth. They use that to say, and that means you shouldn't be worthy of SPR of despise. like, it literally communicates the opposite of that. And so that was the first moment. So I think. I obviously experienced in my opinion, probably worse trauma later related to churches.But I think that was of the aha moment of, oh, even if I'm gonna remain a Christian, I really need to pay attention to what they're actually saying and why they're saying it. So that's the one that sticks with me and probably is responsible for some of my current trust issues. My current anxieties that kind of thing.De'Vannon: It's funny to me how, when it's convenient, these preachers wanna be like, Hey, don't be like the world. Don't, don't fuck with be Zub, you know, and don't [00:41:00] do all that. But when it comes time, you know, time for something that is going to to benefit them, Then they want to be like the world. And so I see this when it comes time to the way they structure the church business models.Yeah. When they pay out salaries and shit like that when they organize the churches behind the scenes and form them mezz like LLCs and shit like that, you know, they don't pay taxes and stuff like that. That's one of my biggest gripes against Lakewood because my friend Barry Bowen, who works with the Trinity foundation in Texas, which investigates churches and stuff like that did, did, did some digging and found out that Lakewood church only has like one actual member on file.You know, it's run by the whole, the whole family is on the board. It's just a bunch of, EENs making all the decisions, but, you know, Which is a very like worldwide thing, you know, there's no voting happening. There's no [00:42:00] congregation, no involvement in decisions and stuff like that. So on the one hand, it's like, Hey, you all are a member, but not really.you know, it's just like in word indeed. So we're gonna pay everyone at church corporate salaries, like the world, we're gonna go business model, like the world, we in a structure, our goddamn sermons, like the motherfucking world, but we don't want y'all to hug too much cuz that would be too worldly and don't drink and for God's sake, cause don't go to a gay bar cause we can't have you looking like the world?No, can we John: yeah. Well and, and again, no notice that pattern. Who can look like the world and who can't, the leaders can look like the world, the followers cannot. The leaders, the, the same rules do not apply to both leaders and followers in church. And what's funny is they would teach with, with their words.They would say, because leaders are held to a higher standard, but time and time. And again, we find they're held to a much lower standard than [00:43:00] followers are. De'Vannon: These are the hypocrites that Jesus warned us about. John: Yeah, Jesus doesn't seem like he was that big of a fan of religious leaders. So no, De'Vannon: he really wasn't though.And, and I wanna give a shout out to my homeboy, Steven, from the book of acts who also threw all the shade at the religious leaders too. He got his ass stoned for it, but you know what? A great honor that Jesus stood up from his position, seated at the right hand of God to receive him at his death. So I'm hashtag team Steven all the way.Fuck the preachers. Fuck the Pope. Fuck every goddamn damn body, but yay God. And so, so I'm gonna switch gears now to your, particularly to your podcast up until now. We just kind of like been talking yeah. About you. So your podcast are called Christianity. I wanna read just some of the titles. I think the titles are just like really titillating [00:44:00] mm-hmm Conversion therapy, Catholicism and Protestant Protestantism.There's so much history between Catholicism and protest Protestantism because my friend Jeffrey Crans runs a website called overview bible.com and he get, he has these really colorful pictures that breaks down like the Bible and shit like that, and is really super fantastic. And I cannot wait to have them on my show, but, you know, from him, I learned, you know, originally like the Catholics had like said like 73 books of the Bible and the Protestants had like 66 and it was like this whole thing and shit like that.And I really don't like the Catholic church. Let's see mental health too narcissism marketing divorce, faith versus works afterlife. And then religious freedom, which is one that I pulled a few questions from. Okay. So [00:45:00] So you talk about like what, what, what, what we've been lied to about. And I was happy to listen to your podcast and hear your own words, echo some of my greatest gripes bitches, moans legitimate complaints against the church.And I don't know if they all meant well, if they were just trying to give us their versions of the truth. So they didn't trust us to make up our own damn minds. But I think about how, like when I was raised and they told me don't drink any alcohol at all, because it's all terrible and bad, don't do any drugs at all because they're all terrible and bad.Don't masturbate. Don't look at porn, don't dance, secular music. Don't go to the bar. And as I've gotten older, now, I realize there's actually therapeutic uses for drugs. And the Lord said not to get drunk, but not to have it, you know, not to not have any of it at all. So if you lied about this, then now I don't trust anything else you have to say.Mm-hmm . And so what do you think about that? John: Yeah, well, alcohol is the drug I have the most experience with. So [00:46:00] you know, and so Christianity, especially the American variety has a really strange relationship with alcohol. There's certainly like subcultures kind of like Baptist are, are the ones that come to mind that take a very anti alcohol stance which is odd since if what's reported about Jesus is to be believed.He definitely drank and enabled people to drink. So it's weird to be a complete tea total, but I would also guess that among Christian cultures, alcohol's probably the most abused drug among them because they're, it's not seen as taboo in the us as some of the other drugs. So, so either way, in my opinion, with alcohol, it's kind of one of those things where if they're prohibiting it it's for the sake of their control, if they're abusing it, it's for the sake of control or containment or coping with [00:47:00]what they're dealing with, you know, so to me, it, it always will just go back to the controlling containment and conversion.So yeah, as far as like how they present that and lie and, and make it, you know, either add rules that aren't present in, in scripture or early Christianity. So my perspective probably goes like this, I think. I think Jesus was the first to reduce a lot of rules. And then ever since him, every Christian has added rules, I think Paul added rules, I think actually most of the apostles added rules personally.I think that a lot of the early church was trying to figure out what it was like to not have as many rules as the previous versions of Judaism. I think that Constantine made all these religious rules now have a relationship with [00:48:00] the, the state and with governments, you know, I think after the east west schism, there were, you.At the, the east Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church had arguments about how you interpreted the nice creed and, and created more rules out of one creed. I mean, it just, it, it snowballs to the point where you're in the United States and your average church is just going to say things that are, that don't have a source in the Bible that don't have a source in historical understandings of Judaism that don't have historical understandings of what's reported about Jesus.So the lies, whether they're intentional or not don't really matter. It's just, it's so distant. It's hard to even comprehend or trust much of any of it, in my opinion. Mm-hmm De'Vannon: and you were saying like on this particular episode about religious freedoms, how [00:49:00] you feel like the religious freedoms most often protect.Like already established religions. Yeah. As opposed to individual people's religious freedoms. And you give a really nice history of how there used to be all these Christian mandates at different states. And they used to have to recite belief in the Trinity or stuff like that. I think like in Massachusetts.So speak to us about how the religious freedom in this country is really more for organized religion and not John: the person. Well, it's, it's, it's not very much freedom or religion, right? Like it's, , it's it's it's politics more or less. I mean, freedom. The word freedom means very little in Christianity across the board.In my opinion, I the only freedom that I ever resonated with was this idea of freedom in Christ. And now looking back, I'm not sure how much I even resonated with that idea. There's this whole problem of free will of like, does God control everything or are we. Just kind of robots following a script [00:50:00] or are we just doing whatever we want and God judges us based on it.I mean, it's, it's very confusing when you start getting into the idea of freedom and Christianity specifically, but true religious freedom would look like I can practice my religion in any way that doesn't harm others or myself. That's, that's pretty simple. I don't know what that has to do with abortion.I don't know what that has to do with marriage. I don't, I, I don't understand what the disconnect is there. From a rational perspective, I really didn't understand it that much when I was a Christian, even when I thought that gay marriage was sinful, whatever, I thought that meant, I thought it should be legal, cuz it didn't make any sense.Right? It's like, well, marriage is a legal process in the country. It's it's the same word. Clearly means something different to Christians than it does to non-Christian. So why should we be regulating what other people do? Again, that, that [00:51:00] controlling that cult-like mentality of thing, everyone needs to do it our way or get out.That's present in this, this idea of religious freedom which really, again, it's just a, it's just, , it's just a lie. I mean, it, it really just means Christian exceptionalism. I mean, that's probably the, the best term for what it's actually describing De'Vannon: hall, tabernacle and praise. And you also were saying like how the religious rules, the people, and now this is all.White men making up all these rules and shit like that. One of my biggest gripes is that when all this shit was done, when king James, who, according to the book of queer documentary on the discovery channel king, James himself, the author of the king James Bible was a big old queer honey, if you haven't seen it, you need to watch it.You know, all these people, these are all just like white homies. [00:52:00] They didn't have women at the table. They didn't have indigenous people at the table. They didn't have other racists. And certainly not black people, not in this country. We were only three fourths of a person for fuck's sake, you know, for so long, they didn't give a shit about what any of us had to say.And so, so it is impossible that the Bible was interpreted, translated and put together and all of this with everybody in mind, this was written white perspective, you know, Sounds about white. Let me see here. Mm-hmm so, so you said that, you know, religious, the religious rules were designed though by some white man who had some God sense because not every white, white boy is a fucking fool.You actually have some John: good one. We mostly are though. just to be very clear. We're mostly fools. I was gonna say De'Vannon: it. And so if you were saying like the, the few good white men actually put these religious rules in place to protect the church from hurting people, you were saying really didn't originate from within the church.The church had their own way. They would've spun out all [00:53:00] Willy nilly. So talk about how the, the rules are really designed to, to, to stop the church from becoming a monster, even though it did anyway. John: Yes. You're talking about some of the founding fathers at the beginning of the, yeah, so, so the, so first of all, not only were they white guys, they were white young guys, the worst kind you know, at the, at the founding of our country and like.It's there's there was so much religious tension at the founding of our, you almost never hear this, but like it's, you don't have to look far. You can just read what these guys wrote. They like, some of them thought Christianity was the worst thing that has ever happened in history and wrote explicitly saying that, I mean, I'm paraphrasing slightly.I might be paraphrasing in a nicer way than what they were saying. And then there were some who thought it should be a theocracy straight. Puritans very much had this mentality that we just need to be [00:54:00] completely different from the church of England. That's what we need to be. Then you had you know, like you had clashing of cultures at the beginning that state to state the religious culture was different in the original 13 colonies.You know, the north was much more well, I'll start with the south. The south was much more like Calvinist and like formal. The, the middle colonies had much more of this kind of quakes, like approach to spirituality. And then the north was creating something new entirely. I mean, it was, we've always been divided.There's never been like a Christian nationalist foundation. There's never been a Christian nation in that sense. And there's also never been like a completely anti-religion vein through what was written. History's complicated. and sometimes we're just too dumb or too lazy to actually take a look and read about all the different things that are going on in an era and just read what the winners said.And that's really [00:55:00] irresponsible in my opinion. So yes, there were some rules that were trying to protect people. The first amendment was supposed, was never supposed to be. Churches can do whatever they want. It was always supposed to be we'll keep the church under the law. As long as the church understands, they are not above the law, they can do whatever they want.That was what the first amendment was supposed to be. Now it means churches are above the law. They can have those tax exemptions. They can abuse people and deal with it internally, unlike businesses or other organizations, they can exempt themselves from title IX stuff, which is what protects people from being sexually abused on college campuses.They can exempt themselves from that. This is the kind of craziness we're dealing with now. And you can only do that if you're master manipulators, who are the, the largest cult that's ever existed, goddamn. De'Vannon: Okay. [00:56:00] So John: In my opinion, I should always say that just after everything, say De'Vannon: child, it is what it is.You know, I pray for people to take their own look at stuff. And it's hard cause you know, people are raised as kids into this cult, you know? And so trying to unwind, fuck somebody, you know, as bad as it is. I thank God for all of the knowledge that's also available. Yeah. Because it's not like you have to go dig up a, a thick ass concordance.Like what I had when I was in, you know, learning and shit, right. That you can like Google shit. You can watch documentaries. You can listen to podcasts. There's so many books about the fuckery of the church. And so a person is only going to stay ignorant if they kinda wanna stay ignorant in this day time.So it's like the worst it gets. I feel like God is also still giving us a way out of it or a reprieve, you know, to some people. John: Yeah. Well, I, I agree. I would say the unfortunate thing about the information age. It is great. It is great that you can [00:57:00] access. I, I I'm partial to books. I think articles are fine, but really to get to know history, especially read a whole book.But I will say what's unfortunate about that is as equal to the truth as we have in the information age, just as much propaganda is out there and Christians are propaganda making machines. They've been doing it for a long time. They're better at it than anybody. So I, I want to hope, oh, with all this information, a kid who's struggling with church will be able to, you know, watch a TikTok video, go down an internet rabbit hole and find out all this good stuff.The problem is they can also go down a rabbit hole and become a school shooter. They can go down a rabbit hole and become a Christian nationalist just as easy. So that's quite frightening to me.So true. So true. De'Vannon: Well, well, people better get close to God and gain spiritual understanding, you know? Yeah. That way you can have some discernment about what it is that's [00:58:00] being presented to you and be able to detect whether or not it's good or bad. John: Discernment's very important spiritual or not, but yes, having a discerning mind and, and I'm not anti spiritual personally.So I think there's definitely a a route that, of spirituality that can be very positive and good for both your own soul and for other people.De'Vannon: Should I throw a touch of shade? Do it. I'm just going to say, say, and I'm talking about Paula white mm-hmm and again, Jolo thing just because why not? I just think it's really, really fucked up when as separated church and state is supposed to be, you see people like Paul White.Hanging out with Donald Trump, you know, of course he was surrounded by evangelicals anyway. And I just, I really, it just really bugs me. You know, I got kicked out of Lakewood for hanging out in S in the gay district, you know, when I wasn't at church. And then Joe [00:59:00] Osen was on stage with Kanye west, you know, who is the last time I checked.Isn't exactly like, you want your kids to grow up and be like that guy, you know, John: he went off the rails. Holy cow. Which time . Yeah, exactly. De'Vannon: do you mean when he was on stage with Joel or some? Just in general. John: Oh, he is just author. Yeah. I mean, just post-Trump era, just post Trump, era Kanye. I mean, he's always been a little bit narcissistic and crazy, but like, man, he really took it to 11 after, after that.And De'Vannon: so it just, it just baffles me, but I guess it doesn't. We don't really know these preachers. We just know the face that put on. When they're in front of the camera, we don't really know them motherfuckers, you know, for you to think that it is a high moral ground to break bread with Kanye west on stage.You know, [01:00:00] I don't get that, you know, and then to be like, Donald Trump is the greatest person. He's the savior of God he's sent, I don't get this. So John: yeah. Unfortunately I feel like I do get it. I feel like it fits perfectly only because from my understanding of the development of Christianity it narcissists are rewarded.I mean, that's just what it does. It rewards an narcissism. And so yes, I, I think it's very sad and upsetting when yeah. Jesus who might have been, I'm really gonna say something controversial. Jesus, who was probably queer himself. Would've definitely Spent more time with, in a, in a gay community than he would've with a, a president.I mean that, I think that's a it's it would be crazy to characterize Jesus any other way. That De'Vannon: do be facts though, because when he was here, he did hang [01:01:00] out with the unpopular people. You know, it was him who defended the, the town who, you know, with him hanging out the John: ma the majority of Christians, even after Jesus died for the first hundred years, war prostitutes, criminals and tax collectors, the outcast of society, those for the first hundred years.And, and probably a little bit after that, but definitely those first a hundred that's who wanted to be Christians, there was a version of Judaism that now accepted those people. Whereas before there was a version of Judaism that would never accept those kinds of people.De'Vannon: So you're saying you believe like Paula white, Joel Ostein, and a lot of these religious people are straight up narcissists. John: Well, you have to be to being right. I mean, to, to do, to have the kind of image they do. I mean, I find, I have to fight narcissism with a small podcast, right? Like, I can't imagine having that many people looking at you.You said something earlier where you said we, we see these preachers, but we [01:02:00] don't really know who they are. I don't think they know who they are because the the religion messes with your head when I was just preaching to a youth group or getting paid to, you know, go across state lines to give a sermon or whatever.I, I didn't have time for introspection. I was a narcissist as much as anyone. It's part of why I was such a bad husband. I, I, you get in your head about these things automatically. It's a, it's a toxic system from the top down and no one is exempt from the, the horrible mindsets it can instill in you. De'Vannon: Give me more of this.Give me an example of a narcissistic thought, a narcissistic thing that you did than you feel like is common among preachers. John: Well, yeah, it's hard for, it's harder to think. It's not like a thought it's like your, okay, so this is gonna, might be long winded. So I apologize if it [01:03:00] is. If you narcissism is primarily bred when it's not like an actual mental disorder, but when it comes about later in life, it's primarily bred from an apathetic mindset, meaning you don't care about anything when you don't care about anything.The only thing that grounds you to reality is yourself. That's it. That's all you've got because you have to live in your body. You have to wake up, you have to go to sleep, you have to eat, you have to do these things. So the only real reality is yourself. So. It rather than having thoughts people treat the word narcissism, like it just means like abusing people or something.Narcissism is unfortunately way deeper rooted than that. It's an inability to get outside yourself in the way it ends up coming out in a more so sociopathic way, meaning you don't care about right or wrong, you [01:04:00] end up just living your life, devoid of taking into account other people's feelings. So for me, one of the biggest regrets of my life is how, when I was married, I just did not give a shit about my spouse's feelings.I just didn't care. My feelings mattered more than theirs. It wasn't like a conscious decision where I was like, woke up and was like, well, what I want matters and what they want. Doesn't that wasn't my mentality. It was bred in, it was a state of mind where I would want to do something that they, and they would want to do something else.And I won because I cared more about what I wanted to do than what they wanted to do. It applies in church culture, too. Pastors, you see it all the time as a pastoral intern, I, I had another pastoral intern with me. We had a great, I idea for a homeless ministry that would've been so great. It was basically like make a little, I, I lived in Spokane Washington at the time, huge homeless community.I was like, [01:05:00] why don't we make little kits? Like just, you know, protein bars, socks, like, you know, just, just something to lift their day. We can get the whole church together to put the together these boxes and then distribute them. Then we're meeting people and we're serving people and it's great. And everyone's involved and it's cool.The pastor was resistant to it for bullshit reasons. What size socks is would we get, would we be competing with other homeless ministries in the area? What are we talking about? at this point? And so it ended up not coming to fruition because I think two things, one, I think he thought his thoughts were more valuable than ours.And two, I think he was scared because if I'm able to do ministry better than he is, that's a threat, you know? And, and, and I don't think he was like the most narcissistic person I've ever met in my life. I just think it's bred into the culture. A preacher is gonna be either De'Vannon: really, really, really strong or really, [01:06:00] really, really, really weak mm-hmm okay.And that's just the way it is that the problem is you can't just look at them and tell on which side of the fence they're falling. Right. You will rarely ever hear a preacher say, they're sorry. About anything. John: And when they, without a million caveats, at least at least a De'Vannon: million, and when they change their, I hear them say some shit like this.When they, when they find out they've been wrong about something, they'll say like a, I don't preach that the way I used to, or my, my thinking is evolving. So basically bitch, you're saying you were wrong. And then, so you're not gonna apologize to the people who you misinformed for the past years before your mind changed.Nope. John: Well, and even if they do, this is where the narcissism comes in. Even if there's apology, the apology, isn't about the people hurt. The apology is about them and their growth. And you know how, oh, I, you know, when I was a young preacher, when I was preaching at 24, I was wrong about this, this and this, but now listen to how great I am.Like you're saying, who cares about all those people? He hurt [01:07:00] it's about him or, or she now be progressive there's evil women pastors now too. Gotta be, gotta be progressive progress at that. De'Vannon: Yeah, you're right. They have a lot of eye statements and stuff like that, and they don't care. And, and it's in the book of Jeremiah, I think 21 where the Lord has a gripe against these preachers who, who scatter his sheep and is flock and they don't turn around and go and look for them.And you know, all of us who've been kicked out discarded and everything like that. Like when I got kicked out, no one called no one wrote, no one did anything. Right. You know, I don't know if I was just classified as a heretic and just, just gone. But I mean, the PA the priest, the priest was supposed to put a concerted effort into getting anybody who they lose instead of just charging along trucking along and just writing more books and selling out more arenas and filling, you know, getting more money, you know, you know, fuck a next book, bitch.You lost a member. You're supposed to stop everything to go and find them. [01:08:00]John: Yeah, that that mentality has honestly never been a as, as long as churches have existed. That's never been the attitude of church leadership. Even if it was supposedly commanded by Jesus it's it's, it's never been present in history.Oh, well, De'Vannon: shit. So then the last thing that we're going to talk about and we're gonna have to have you back on and really dig into your book. Mm-hmm ca