Podcast appearances and mentions of chris dreyer

Publishing another press release won't make AI tools recognize your firm as an authority. As search shifts toward AI-generated answers, firms that earn credible media coverage separate themselves from those relying on syndication alone. Megan Braverman is the Owner and Principal of Berbay Marketing & PR, an award-winning agency that has specialized in law firm marketing and public relations for more than 30 years. She has led media strategies for nationally recognized plaintiff firms, managed communications around high-profile litigation, and helped Berbay earn back-to-back Top Public Relations Agency honors from legal news website The Recorder. In this episode, Megan explains why earned media has become one of the strongest trust signals for AI discovery, how law firms can turn ordinary case milestones into newsworthy stories, and why attorneys need media training to become credible public voices. She also shares how PR, SEO, social media, and intake systems work together to create a marketing engine that builds both authority and measurable business growth. You'll learn: Why AI Citations increasingly depend on earned media and authoritative coverage. How litigation milestones become opportunities for meaningful media exposure. What separates earned media from traditional newswire distribution. How PR, SEO, and thought leadership reinforce one another to improve discoverability.  If you're looking to dominate the search landscape and make sure your firm's brand matches the results you deliver in the courtroom, head over to Rankings.io. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week. If you want to keep learning from the best voices in PI, join us at PIMCON 2026. Buy your tickets now! Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

One More PIMCON Name Drop! Get a preview of the insights, strategies, and stories you'll see this year at the PIMCON stage. The biggest firms aren't always the most creative. While competitors spend millions chasing the same marketing channels, some of the fastest-growing firms win by finding attention where nobody else tries to compete for it. Austin Kurtz and Brian Riley founded KRLG Injury Lawyers, a Phoenix-based personal injury firm that has grown from a startup into a 12-attorney operation in just two and a half years. Along the way, they've built a loyal local following through unconventional branding, community-driven marketing, and a referral strategy that turns industry bottlenecks into growth opportunities. In this episode, Austin and Brian break down the guerrilla marketing playbook that helped KRLG scale at an extraordinary pace. From movie theater ads and community sponsorships to referral partnerships and operational systems, they share how they built a firm that feels decades older than its actual age—all without following the traditional law firm growth script. On this episode, you'll learn: Why guerrilla marketing can outperform traditional advertising in highly competitive personal injury markets. How community sponsorships and local brand-building create long-term marketing advantages. The referral marketing strategies that helped KRLG scale beyond its own case acquisition efforts. Unlock the exact strategies to scale your firm by heading over to pimcon.org and securing your tickets for PIMCON 2026. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

The PIMCON Countdown Continues! Get a preview of the insights, strategies, and stories you'll see this year at the PIMCON stage. The personal injury industry is entering a new era. Outside capital is flowing into the market, consolidation is accelerating, and the firms that adapt fastest may have a significant advantage over the next decade. Chad Dudley is the founding partner of Dudley DeBosier Injury Lawyers and CEO of Orion Legal MSO. After helping build a firm that has recovered more than $1.8 billion for injured clients, Chad is now helping shape one of the biggest shifts the plaintiffs' bar has seen through the launch of Orion and its growing network of partner firms. In this episode, Chad returns to Personal Injury Mastermind to explain why MSOs are gaining momentum, how outside investment is changing the economics of personal injury law, and what firm owners should think about as consolidation reshapes the competitive landscape. On this episode, you'll learn: Why law firm consolidation is accelerating across the personal injury industry. How to scale with an MSO while preserving culture, leadership, and brand identity. What outside capital for law firms can unlock beyond traditional financing options. Why elite client service remains an advantage as competition and acquisition costs increase. Unlock the exact strategies to scale your firm by heading over to pimcon.org and securing your tickets for PIMCON 2026. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

The PIMCON Lineup Keeps Growing! Get a preview of the insights, strategies, and stories you'll see this year at the PIMCON stage. Customer acquisition costs keep rising, private equity keeps entering the market, and direct-to-consumer advertising gets more expensive every year. The firms finding new growth opportunities are building systems their competitors can't easily replicate. Anthony Lopez and Ilana Reeser have helped transform Your Insurance Attorney into a 300-person firm with 50 attorneys operating across multiple states. Anthony serves as CEO, leading the firm's technology and operational strategy, while Ilana has built a nationwide referral ecosystem that now generates hundreds of cases each month. In this episode, Anthony and Ilana share how they created a scalable growth engine by combining a structured B2B referral network with proprietary AI technology. They discuss the metrics they use to evaluate profitability, the systems required to manage high-volume referrals, and why strong partner relationships have become a competitive advantage in today's legal market. They also reveal how their custom AI platform is reshaping intake, case management, and operational efficiency across the firm. On this episode, you'll learn: Why B2B referral networks create a more scalable growth channel than relying exclusively on direct-to-consumer marketing. How nationwide referral partnerships generate hundreds of cases per month while strengthening reciprocal relationships. The kept CAC metric that reveals whether a marketing channel is actually profitable. How custom AI technology automates intake, client communication, and case management workflows. Unlock the exact strategies to scale your firm by heading over to pimcon.org and securing your tickets for PIMCON 2026. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Another PIMCON Speaker Reveal! Get a preview of the insights, strategies, and stories you'll see this year at the PIMCON stage. You won't  add 100 more signed cases a month than the previous year because one channel starts working harder. It happens when the brand, the media mix, the intake team, and the client experience all compound. Will Hammill (Managing Attorney) and Jack Derrickson (Director of Marketing) are leaders at Ken Nugent Law Firm, one of Georgia's most recognized personal injury brands. The firm has recovered more than $5 billion for over 300,000 clients, with nine offices, 35–40+ attorneys, and a support staff of more than 200. In this episode, Will and Jack break down how Ken Nugent Law Firm is modernizing a legacy brand without losing the equity that made it dominant. They share how the firm is expanding beyond a TV-first model, using social media to reach younger audiences, and tightening intake follow-up to convert more demand into signed cases. They also explain why customer acquisition costs, client communication, and case value now matter more than ever in PI marketing. On this episode, you'll learn: Why omnichannel marketing helps legacy PI brands compete beyond traditional TV. How viral social content expands reach with younger personal injury clients. The intake follow-up process that helped add 100 more signed cases in one month compared to the previous year. What rising customer acquisition costs mean for PI marketing strategy. PIMCON is THE event for PI firm owners who value proof over promises and want to dominate their markets. Grab your tickets before they are gone at pimcon.org. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Welcome to PIMCON Week! Get a preview of the insights, strategies, and stories you'll see this year at the PIMCON stage. Every missed call carries the same risk: You could have lost a $10,000 case or a $10 million case. At Morgan & Morgan's scale, that reality shapes every intake decision. Angie Flury is the Chief Call Center Officer at Morgan & Morgan, where she leads the firm's Case Control Center and oversees more than 1,500 employees across 11 departments. Over the last five years, she has scaled the intake operation from 240 agents to more than 1,100 while maintaining a personal injury conversion rate above 95%. In this episode, Angie shares the systems behind one of the largest intake operations in the legal industry. From AI-powered workflows and six-week training programs to workforce management and conversion tracking, she explains how Morgan & Morgan turns intake into a competitive advantage. She also reveals the metrics her team monitors every day to ensure qualified cases never fall through the cracks. On this episode, you'll learn: Why a one-point increase in conversion rate can generate millions in additional revenue. The team structure that separates outbound dialing, call routing, and case consultations at scale. Where AI creates efficiency inside intake operations without replacing human empathy. If you want to hear Angie talk about how you can apply all of these lessons to your firm, then  go to pimcon.org right now and grab your tickets for PIMCON 2026, where she will deliver one of the keynote addresses. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Growth isn't always about spending more money, opening more offices, or competing in the biggest market possible. Sometimes the most profitable move is knowing what not to chase. Joel Williams is the founding partner of Williams Elleby Howard & Easter, a personal injury firm based in Kennesaw, Georgia. Since founding the firm in 2013, Joel has built a client-first practice with 128 Google reviews and a perfect 5.0 rating, while earning recognition as a Georgia Super Lawyer and serving as President of the Cobb County Trial Lawyers Association. In this episode, Joel explains why moving his firm out of Atlanta became the best business decision he ever made, how he evaluates high-risk medical malpractice cases, and why client communication remains the foundation of his firm's reputation. He also shares his concerns about private equity's growing influence in the legal industry and what firm owners should pay attention to as the profession evolves. On this episode, you'll learn: Why an underserved suburban market generated more growth than a highly competitive metro market. The financial threshold Joel uses before accepting a medical malpractice case. How strategic case selection protects profitability and prevents costly mistakes. The communication habits that helped his firm earn 128 five-star Google reviews. What private equity's growing influence could mean for personal injury firms. If you're ready to make intentional choices about your firm's growth and stop guessing with your marketing, head over to Rankings.io and sign up for a Complimentary Growth Audit. We'll show you exactly which leverage points can lead to more high-value cases. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week. If you want to keep learning from the best voices in PI, join us at PIMCON 2026. Buy your tickets now! Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

You spent the money. You signed the case. But can you actually explain which marketing channel deserves the credit? Between billboards, Google, social media, referrals, local maps, streaming ads, and AI search, attorneys misunderstand attribution more than almost any other topic in legal marketing. In this solo episode, Chris Dreyer breaks down why chasing perfect attribution is a losing game, the intake question every firm should ask, and the financial metrics that matter far more than rankings, clicks, or impressions. On this episode, you'll learn: How to calculate Marketing ROI using true client acquisition cost (CAC). What is a good CAC-to-value ratio for personal injury law firms. Which law firm marketing KPIs actually predict revenue growth. How emerging marketing channels affect long-term Marketing ROI. Head over to Rankings.io to discover how we can help you capture more high-value cases. Like what you hear? Hit Subscribe! We do this every week. If you want to keep learning from the best voices in PI, join us at PIMCON 2026. Buy your tickets now! Subscribe to our newsletter and get the freshest news every Monday: newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind w/ Chris Dreyer powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

You don't land a million-dollar trucking case by waiting for one to show up. The firms signing catastrophic injury cases don't rely on luck—they build systems that attract big cases. In this solo episode, Chris Dreyer explains why quantity creates quality, how trial experience drives elite referrals, and what firms can do today to move beyond a steady diet of soft-tissue cases. If you're tired of blending in with the background noise and want a true marketing partner who embodies excellence, check out Rankings.io. On this episode, you'll learn: The real reason top trial lawyers get the referrals everyone else wants. How low-value cases can become training grounds for future rainmakers. Why "we don't advertise" is usually a myth. What to do right now if you want bigger cases showing up in your pipeline tomorrow. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

You don't dominate a city because you buy more ads. You dominate because every part of your marketing machine compounds: brand awareness, reviews, SEO, referrals, local authority, and client experience. In this solocast, Chris Dreyer answers one of the biggest frustrations in personal injury law: why some firms seem impossible to beat while others stay invisible no matter how much they spend. If you're tired of blending in with the background noise and need a true marketing partner who demands excellence, check out Rankings.io. On this episode, you'll learn: How relevance, distance, and prominence determine map pack rankings. Why a weak review profile quietly sabotages your entire marketing funnel. The referral and community-building strategies that still outperform digital tactics. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Every time you ask “How?” you cap your firm's growth. That question forces everything through your time, your energy, and your skill set. Chris Dreyer breaks down why that thinking creates a bottleneck—and how shifting to a “who” framework unlocks speed, scale, and better outcomes across your firm. If you want high speed and proven outcomes without the headache of building that team yourself, head on over to Rankings.io and let us be the "who" that scales your firm. On this episode, you'll learn: Why asking “How?” keeps you stuck in linear growth. The three types of “who” (employee, contractor, agency) and when each makes sense. How to trade control for speed without sacrificing results. Why trying to build everything in-house slows you down more than you think. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

In this special episode 116 of Going Forward, we're turning the microphone around. This episode is a re-release of Eric Elliott's recent appearance on Personal Injury Mastermind with host Chris Dreyer, a conversation we found so valuable that we wanted to share it directly with the Going Forward audience.Eric, Founder of VIP Marketing and Craft Creative, joins Chris to unpack what law firms often misunderstand about growth, marketing, and what it actually takes to compete in a crowded personal injury market. Rather than focusing on quick tactics or chasing the newest platform, Eric brings the conversation back to the fundamentals: budget, media, and message.Together, Eric and Chris discuss why stronger marketing rarely comes from simply spending more money. They explore how law firms can better align their advertising strategy with their goals, how digital campaigns can be used to test messaging before scaling into larger media investments, and why intake systems play such a critical role in whether marketing turns into signed cases.Eric also shares his perspective on the difference between a traditional marketing funnel and a true referral flywheel. For firms that want long-term growth, the goal is not just to generate leads. It is to create a better client experience, build trust in the community, and make real “community deposits” that compound over time.Topics include: budget, media, and message alignment; why more leads do not always mean more cases; how intake can quietly make or break marketing performance; using Meta ads and digital campaigns to test messaging; understanding the math behind law firm growth; building a sustainable referral flywheel; and why community trust is one of the most powerful advantages a law firm can create.This episode is a grounded reminder that sustainable growth is not built on guesswork. It is built through alignment, accountability, and a marketing strategy that holds up after the phone starts ringing.Connect w/ Eric Elliott:Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ericelliott.com/Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/ericelliottspeakerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theericelliott/ Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/ericmelliott/Twitter: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/EricMElliottTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ericmelliottEmail: Eric@EricElliott.comText: 843-279-5843Connect w/ Chris Dreyer:Chris Dreyer Website: https://chrisdreyer.co/Chris Dreyer Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/?hl=enRankings.io Website: https://rankings.io/Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM): https://www.youtube.com/@pim_orgAvailable Books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/Chris-Dreyer/author/B008AZZ4F8?ref=ap_rdr&shoppingPortalEnabled=trueSupercharge your online advertising campaigns with Optmyzr! Streamline management, optimize performance, and boost your ROI. Visit https://www.optmyzr.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to discover how Optmyzr can revolutionize your digital marketing.Also, as a special treat for our listeners, sign up with the code GOINGFORWARD20 and enjoy an exclusive 20% discount on your first year with Trainual! Seize this opportunity to supercharge your operations and propel your business forward!Eric Elliott is the founder of VIP Marketing and Craft Creative, dedicated to helping law firms build stronger brands & sustainable growth strategies. With a background in radio, TV & digital media, he works with legal organizations across the country to align marketing strategy, creative storytelling, and operational systems to drive measurable results.Going Forward is brought to you by VIP Marketing. VIP Marketing is a law firm marketing agency built to help firms become the choice in their market through strategy-led SEO, paid media, website design & development, brand strategy & premium video production. Based in Charleston, South Carolina, VIP Marketing serves law firms nationwide. Our website provides detailed information on our services & expertise. For more information, visit vipmarketing.com.

Most firms still try to grow by adding staff, spend, or complexity. The firms pulling ahead do the opposite: They remove friction, tighten systems, and use AI to increase output without increasing workload. In this webinar replay, in partnership with EvenUp, Dwuan Hammond, the Principal Owner/CEO of Global Impact Financial Solutions, shares how firms accelerate case timelines, improve demand quality, and force faster resolutions, while Chris Dreyer breaks down what's changing on the marketing and intake side. The throughline: Efficiency is no longer optional. At Rankings.io, we help elite PI firms sign more cases and take over their markets. Head over to Rankings.io today to learn how we can help you dominate your market. Learn how to: Eliminate intake gaps by capturing and responding to every opportunity in real time. Standardize demand quality to increase consistency and improve outcomes. Reduce administrative drag so attorneys spend more time on high-value work. Increase case capacity without adding headcount or overhead. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Schedule a demo with EvenUp Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0 Subscribe to our newsletter:  https://newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Chris Dreyer goes through 50–120 business books a year, and most of them aren't worth your time. In this episode, he breaks down the seven that actually changed how he operates, from how he evaluates his time to how he thinks about leverage, hiring, and scaling a firm. This isn't a reading list. It's how these ideas show up in a PI firm: what to cut, what to double down on, and where most operators slow themselves down without realizing it. For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. On this episode, you'll learn: How Chris audits his time every week, and what he cuts without hesitation. When to use leverage—capital, code, content, and people—to get more output without adding work. Why speed keeps coming up, and how faster decisions actually create momentum. How bottlenecks force you to fix the system instead of working around it. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  https://newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Private equity is already moving into your market. The question isn't if it affects you—it's how prepared you are when it does. In this episode, Chris Dreyer and Tim McKey break down how MSOs (managed service organizations) actually work, what they unlock, and where most firms still lose hundreds of thousands a year without realizing it. If you want to dominate your area, outmaneuver the competition, and secure the high-value cases that actually move the needle, you need a partner who delivers proof over promises. Head over to Rankings.io to see how we help elite personal injury firms scale. On this episode, you'll learn: What an MSO actually is, and why it's becoming the structure behind major deals. The tradeoffs that come with bringing in outside capital. Where most firms leak revenue inside intake (and how to quantify it). If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  https://newsletter.rankings.io Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Most law firm owners think they need more cases, more marketing, or more hours to grow. They don't. They need leverage. In this solo episode, Chris Dreyer breaks down the four types of leverage—labor, capital, code, and content—and shows how the firms scaling fastest use them to increase output without increasing effort.   For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. On this episode, you'll learn: Why law firms stall out when leadership is the bottleneck. The real reason top firms invest in talent before they invest in ads. Where AI and automation already replaced headcount inside PI firms. How to build distribution channels that compound attention and drive inbound demand. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: https://hubs.li/Q04bf9vT0  Subscribe to our newsletter:  pimnewsletter.beehiiv.com  Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

If your firm feels stuck, it's not random—there's a specific constraint causing it. In this solo episode, Chris Dreyer introduces the “Dreyer Eights”: eight bottlenecks that cap growth across cash flow, marketing, intake, hiring, and more. Built from Alex Hormozi's framework and adapted for PI firms, this gives you a clear way to pinpoint what's holding your firm back—and what to fix first.  For more resources on how to dominate your market, visit us at Rankings.io. On this episode, you'll learn: How to tell when your CAC is quietly draining profit.  The intake conversion benchmark that exposes hidden leaks. How to pressure-test your business model (B2C vs. referral-driven). Where to focus when growth stalls, and how to break through it. If you like what you hear, hit Subscribe. We do this every week. Subscribe to our newsletter: pimnewsletter.beehiiv.com  Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

What if the real secret to business growth is not creativity but competition? I sat down with Chris Dreyer, founder of Rankings.io, who built one of the fastest-growing legal marketing companies by mastering SEO, niche focus, and relentless execution. Chris shares how his early work ethic shaped his path, why he chose the highly competitive personal injury space, and how treating business like a math-based game helped him scale. You will hear how content, reviews, and authority drive Google rankings, why most lawyers misunderstand marketing, and how narrowing your focus can actually expand your results. I believe you will find this useful as Chris shows how discipline, data, and consistency can turn any business into an unstoppable force. Highlights: 00:56 – How early work and family habits built a strong work ethic05:00 – Why taking the hardest job created resilience and grit12:12 – How serving people helped develop communication and confidence24:22 – Why choosing a competitive niche leads to greater success37:08 – What it takes to rank at the top of Google consistently51:16 – How doing free work early builds skill and long-term growth Bottom of Form About the Guest: Chris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, the category-defining SEO agency built exclusively to help elite law firms and personal injury lawyers dominate Google's organic search results. Under his leadership, Rankings.io has become synonymous with measurable results, helping attorneys secure life-changing cases through visibility at the exact moment potential clients are searching for help. The company has achieved what few in the legal marketing space ever have, earning a spot on the Inc. 5000 list of fastest-growing private companies for eight consecutive years, proof of both sustained growth and relentless execution. Beyond Rankings, Chris is a builder of platforms and a voice of authority in legal marketing and entrepreneurship. He is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize, where he details how focus creates outsized impact. He is also a seasoned real estate investor and the host of the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast, where he interviews top attorneys and business leaders shaping the future of law. His influence extends across respected councils and networks, including the Forbes Agency Council, Rolling Stone Culture Council, Business Journals Leadership Trust, Fast Company Executive Board, and Newsweek Expert Forum, cementing his reputation as both a practitioner and thought leader. Chris's path to entrepreneurship has been unconventional yet relentlessly instructive. Once a world-ranked collectible card game competitor, he carried that same strategic mindset into business. After earning a History Education degree, his first professional role was as a detention room supervisor, hardly glamorous, but it provided the unstructured time that sparked his obsession with digital marketing. He began experimenting with affiliate sites and, at his peak, managed more than 100 properties simultaneously. This side hustle soon eclipsed his day job, propelling him into full-time entrepreneurship. When affiliate marketing's golden age waned, Chris pivoted into legal SEO and quickly carved out a niche. Along the way, he also became a top-ranked online poker player, honing skills in risk management and probability that would serve him well in scaling his companies. Today, Chris runs Rankings.io with the same competitive fire he once brought to cards and poker, driven to outthink, outwork, and outlast the competition. His mission is simple: help the best personal injury law firms win more cases, build enduring legacies, and dominate their markets. Ways to connect with Chris**:** website: rankings.io https://x.com/chrisdreyerco https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/ https://www.facebook.com/chrisdreyerco https://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/ About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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Transcription Notes: Michael Hingson  00:04 What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't what's in front of you, but rather what you believe Welcome to unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. I'm your host. Michael Hingson, speaker, author and advocate for inclusion and possibilities. This podcast explores how the beliefs we carry shape the way we live, lead and connect with others. Each week, I talk with people who challenge assumptions, face adversity head on and show what's possible when we choose curiosity over fear, together, we focus on mindset resilience and the small shifts that lead to meaningful change. Let's get started. Hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset. Today, our guest is Chris Dreyer. Chris, Chris has formed a company called rankings.ai. And I'm going to let him describe what all that is about. And he's done some pretty interesting things with it. It has been on inks top 5000 companies, growing companies for the past eight years. Eight years is a long time, which is pretty cool. So I'm sure he's got lots of adventures and lots of stories to talk about. So Chris, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're Chris Dreyer  01:35 here. Yeah, thanks for having me, Michael. I'm excited to chat. Michael Hingson  01:39 Well, let's start with kind of the early Chris growing up and all that, and see where we go from there. It sounds Chris Dreyer  01:45 good to me. So yeah, Michael Hingson  01:46 let's go. Why don't you tell us a little bit about Yeah, school and all that stuff. Chris Dreyer  01:51 Okay, yeah, let me, let me, and then you just cut me off at any point, because I can be a long Michael Hingson  01:55 talker the so can I? I Chris Dreyer  01:56 know what you mean. I, I grew up in a very small city, elkville, Illinois, my high school had 100 people in it. I was a graduating class of 28 I grew up, I would say it's kind of weird. My mom and dad, if they heard me say poor, would not love me saying poor, but I we weren't. We were certainly at the bottom of middle class or the upper or poor. I had a lot of chores. I every single weekend, I cleaned a law office with my mom or did something at the farmers market. So and at the time, it wasn't work. It was just what we did as a family, right? I didn't even understand it. We had, we didn't have city water. We had to get a truck and bring in our water, and we had well water, right? And in my family, and that was, that was early on, right? My dad was a milk carrier. My mom was a cook and and ultimately, they did better over the years and made more money. But it started off, it was a lot, a lot of grit, perseverance, working hard. And I like to share that, because my parents work ethic is very strong, very dependable, very consistent. And that's kind of where I got my drive. But that's, that's kind of how I grew up, small, small town, you know, a lot of side hustles with the parents. And once I went to college, I got that, that shock of, oh, here's a whole bunch of go from 100 to, you know, 20,000 Yeah, it's a bit of a shock there. 03:35 Where'd you go to college? Chris Dreyer  03:36 Yeah, I went to SIU, Southern Illinois University. There in Carbondale, Illinois. I actually live in Carbondale today. And, you know, I went to college. I was always had that entrepreneurial bug, and, but I went to college, it was kind of to make mom and dad happy to get that degree and, but I just knew that I was going to own my own business. And I kind of had that conversation with them out of the gate, but so I was a terrible student. Partied a lot, you know, chase the women, so to speak, and but somehow, ended up with a degree, got a job at a high school as their JV basketball coach, and I started doing internet marketing on the side to make a little extra money because I had some downtime. And by the end of my second year teaching, I was making about four times the amount doing that that I was teaching. So that was kind of my sign, and to go pursue that full time, and that's what I did. That's when I left to do affiliate marketing and digital marketing full time was after Michael Hingson  04:41 that second year, of course. Now the real question is, you were chasing the women? Did any of them 04:44 chase you? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Just Michael Hingson  04:49 want to make sure it's reciprocal here. Yeah, that's that's pretty cool, though. And I was going to ask you, and you sort of answered it, about your workout. Ethic and so on. I find that if people do grow up in an environment where they're working and they appreciate what they do get and the amount of work that they do, and they develop a strong work ethic, or their parents have it, they generally do as well, although sometimes there's some rebellions, but still, ultimately, the right stuff shows through. Chris Dreyer  05:24 Can I tell just a brief story about that? My mom, when I turned 16, it was like, you're getting a job, son, right? And it was not, we had, we were fine without, but it was like, so she took me to this place. It was called Ken's antiques, and they used to do the semi truck deliveries of aluminum, and I used to go to auctions and unload furniture. And I asked her, I was like, Why did you take me there? Well, you know, why didn't you take me to the mall? Why didn't you know to go work at a the buckle or the gap or something, you know, why did you take me? There she goes. Well, I knew if you could, if you could succeed here, you'd be fine anywhere, because it was the hardest job that I could think of. And I was like, Oh, really, thanks, Mom. Like, send me to the to the hardest job that you could think of and see if I could thrive. And I did well there. But that just kind of goes to show you the mindset that my mom had racing me, which also kind of, you know, attached to me as well. Michael Hingson  06:26 Yeah, well, and I can appreciate course, now looking back on it, of course, but I can appreciate what she said, because if you can survive in one place, and you can if it's if it is a tough job and you approach it the right way, then you'll probably be good anywhere, and there you go. Chris Dreyer  06:47 Yep, yep, to her credit, it was a very tough job. It is as still to this day, the hardest job from a physically demanding perspective that I had, but, but yeah, and it was good. It built resilience, you know, kind of helped me get that that put that true grit on and yeah, so that's kind of my background. Michael Hingson  07:08 I never did really work at a job growing up, my brother did. He worked at a restaurant and so on and bus tables and did other things. But I remember, when he got his first job, he went and applied at a at a restaurant, and the owner or manager, I guess probably both said, so, you know, we'll, we'll consider you. Would you do us a favor? There's some weeds out in the in the front, would you go pull those? And he said, within about a half hour, he got the whole place completely cleaned up of weeds. And the boss came out and said, You did all of that. And my brother said, Yeah. And guy said, You're hired. You know, amazing, you know, because my brother didn't even realize, I think at first, that that was really a test, but it was, and of course, he passed, which was cool. That's a great story, but I never got really to do much work. I kind of was more the intellectual guy in the family, and finding jobs would have been a little bit more of a challenge for me. I did do some babysitting, but that was about all I could do. I've been blind my whole life, and a lot of the jobs that were available in Palmdale, where I grew up in Southern California, were not jobs I was going to realistically be able to do anyway, but I could babysit, and that worked out pretty well. Yeah, yeah. So I mainly studied, Chris Dreyer  08:41 love it. So So studied. Can I? Can I do the reverse interview? What's some of your your top motivational books, business books? Because I'm sure you've got some that just pop top of the dome. Well, sort of, kind Michael Hingson  08:55 of, I really have a slightly different idea about that, but I'll tell you, I've read a number of the main books in the whole motivational and and management world. One Minute Manager is a book I appreciate a great deal. And I also like Dale Carnegie books like How to Win Friends and Influence People. But for me, I point out, and even to this day point out that I've learned more about teamwork and trust and leadership from working with eight Guide Dogs for the last 61 years than I ever learned from all the management and leadership books and everything else that's out there, mainly because working with dogs, you have several things that are An issue, first of all, respecting them and the job that they do, knowing that you're really forming a team with a guide dog, where each member of the team has a job to do. So in my case, the dog, and the case of people who use guide dogs, the purpose of the dog is to make sure that we walk safely as. We're walking somewhere, but my job is to know where to go and how to get there, and then I have to learn how to communicate that to the dog, and also be the leader of the pack in the truest sense of the word, which also means that if the dog is upset, or there is any kind of an issue with the dog, I have to figure out what that is, and I have to read what is going on so that I understand that and can then figure out what is occurring and make sure that the dog stays happy so it's you. There's so much to learn about trust, and one of the main things I've learned over the years is while dogs do, I think love unconditionally, unless they're just so badly traumatized by somebody for some reason they don't trust unconditionally. But the difference between dogs and people is that dogs are open to trust a whole lot more than we are. We have just had so many things go on. We read we bought them in the newspapers, we see it on the news and so on. Nobody trusts anyone. The feeling is basically everyone has their own hidden agenda, and so you can't trust anyone. And so there's very little communications today. There's very little real interaction. And people, by definition, don't trust. Dogs are open to trust, and you can earn their trust, and likewise, they get to and can earn your trust, and it is a it is a combination and kind of thing. So what I really learn when I go to get a new guide dog every time is I'm learning how to form a team with this other dog who doesn't speak the same language I do, who doesn't think the way I do. But I have to figure out what this dog does, what this dog is all about, and I'm the one that has to become the leader of the of the team and make things work. So I think that working with a dog is a lot more of a practical experience kind of thing than just reading about whatever there is to read about in books and so on. So that's why I say that. I think I've learned a lot more by working with dogs than I ever got from all the management books in the world, any of the Tony Robbins books, or any Chris Dreyer  12:07 of those. I love, every bit of that I just I was on x the other day, and it was talking about the the new CEO for Starbucks, right? Because the former CEO was McKinsey trained, right, but didn't have any actual experience at the helm. And then they brought back the former CEO of Taco Bell over to Starbucks, and the stock immediately shot up because of the application aspect of it. He had, he had done the job and been in the grind. So it's kind of interesting, kind of corollary there. But yeah, thank you for sharing. I was really intrigued, and I had to jump in and and ask, Michael Hingson  12:45 Oh, fair question, and then this is a conversation, so nothing wrong with asking questions on either side. So it's perfectly fine to to be able to do that well, so what did you do right out of college? Chris Dreyer  12:59 Right out of college, the one thing I'll tell you that I still to this day, I call myself an introvert. I don't think that, you know, introvert, extrovert. I think we have the tendencies at all times to be either one, right? But I think for me, I was more shy, but I built a lot of friends because I played sports and I knew them in college, and then they met, they introduced me to their friends. Because you got to imagine, when I had a class of 28 kids, it's like super small community versus, you know, everybody I'm interacting through their connections and their extended connections. So through college, I'd say the main education thing I got was, I did get a job waiting tables for three years, and so I got a lot of client service training, dealing with people having a ton of conversations through that, through my through my job, and also through my personal relationships with my friends and and other, you know, Students at the University, but so I think that kind of helped, helped me succeed afterwards, but afterwards, really, when I student taught at Heron, they saw my work ethic. They saw a shoe up, that I showed up, that I listened and I took action. So they, they hired me immediately, and I did the same when I was a JV basketball coach. I never missed a practice. Was always on time. Really tried to develop the kids and bring the most out of them, treated the parents well, and so I think that's what I did well, and it kind of put me in the position to have time to learn internet marketing. So I think that's kind of how it all started, Michael Hingson  14:47 when I was getting my teaching credential at UC Irvine, and I also got my master's degree in physics from there. But I student taught at the local high school, at University High School, and I student. Taught two classes. One was a physics class, and it was kind of for they called it dumbbell physics, but you know, it was kids who were sort of interested in science, but really didn't know where they wanted to go. But the other class was algebra one, and I remember one day I was teaching, and one of the students asked a question, and I didn't know the answer to it, and I probably should have, but I didn't. But what I said was, I don't know the answer right off, tell you, what do you mind if I look at it tonight, get you the answer and bring it back tomorrow. And the kid who was an eighth grader, actually accelerated, so it was high school algebra one, but he was from the eighth grade. He said, Sure, so I went home and found the answer in the book, when I should have known that, but anyway, came back in the next day, and even before I could say anything, he said, Mr. Hingson, I went home and got the answer, and I said, Well, come up and write it on the board. And one of the things that I did with with all of my classes when, of course, we had blackboards and all that, back in those days, I would want a student to come up and be the board writer, because they write a lot better than I do. And so we, we had pretty good competitions of people who wanted to write on the board. They all thought it was kind of fun, and I did spread that wealth around, but Marty came up and I said, now you got to explain what you're writing. And he had actually found the answer, which was cool, but my master teacher was also the football coach, and when I first told Marty and the rest of the class, I don't know the answer, but I will get it after class was over, Mr. Redmond said you did something that's absolutely amazing and was absolutely the right thing to do, and most people wouldn't do it. And that was you admitted you didn't know the answer, but you would go get it rather than trying to blow smoke, because these kids can see through that in a second. And he said, So you did the right thing, and I've always felt that's the way to do it. If I don't know the answer, I'll go figure it out, but I will also tell you that I don't know the answer, and you can decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I think it's a good thing, to be honest, Chris Dreyer  17:22 I couldn't agree more. Michael Hingson  17:25 And so it was fun. And and what the the other part of the story, and I think I've told it a couple times on the podcast, is 10 years later, I was at the Orange County Fairgrounds, and this kid comes up to me, Well, he was, he didn't sound like a kid anymore. And he said, Mr. Hingson, do you know who this is? Deep voice. And I went, No, not right off. And he said, I'm Marty. I'm the guy that was in your algebra class 10 years ago. Nice to be remembered, but, but he he also just remembered what happened. And I think he even said it was so cool that I was honest with him about it, which was, you know, a life lesson anybody should learn. Chris Dreyer  18:09 That's incredible. That's incredible. So Michael Hingson  18:10 it was a lot of fun. Well, so you student taught and so on, but eventually you ended up deciding to go into the entrepreneur world. But you also were a card collector, right? A game collector, yeah. Chris Dreyer  18:25 And in high school, I played this collectible card game. I played a combination of two. I mean, most people are familiar with Magic, The Gathering, but I also played this other game called Legend of five rings. And both, you know, the collectible card games, but they're really math based games based upon advantage and and, you know, you so now it's applicable to today. I can look at any whether it's Pokemon or whatever card game there is. It's, it was very, you know, it's force based, you know, benefits to attack and things like that. It attributes everything. But anyways, I played it competitively, and I was a top I was a world ranked player at one time. I won four state championships or CO days. No one had done that at the time in a two consecutive years, and it was just a top player, and when you get to the top, you become friends with the other top players, and then you talk strategy and and that even takes you to an even higher level. And so I did that, you know, for many years, competed all over the country. It was a great experience. And so, yeah, that in my house. My dad very so he had, he was a civil engineer. He has an engineer degree, but he was traveling. He was on the railroad at all times, and he wanted to stop traveling, so he accepted this job as a mail carrier so he could stay put. And. Yeah, and that's what he did. He retired as a mail carrier, but, you know, a top math expert to the to the point where there would be conversations where you could, like, I couldn't understand him, right? He couldn't understand himself, right? And, and, and there's many conversations in different aspects of this. But when we played games, whether it was Yahtzee or monopoly or whatever, every game, there was a math based lesson to it, like, which dice you rolled for advantage at Yahtzee, which ones to hold after the first roll. Poker games, pitch games, Rummy, every single game it was, it was game theory. It was math on what was the precise the best role, like Monopoly, the best properties and the probability to get an orange property over other properties and and how much you should spend at certain points of the game. And I realized saying that outline that's that that's not normal. Some people just play yatse and roll the dice and they roll what they want, and some people play Monopoly and just buy the properties they want. That was not how games were played in my household, and it was very applicable to poker and to the collectible card games. Michael Hingson  21:22 Yeah. So how often did you want to buy Boardwalk and Park Place? Chris Dreyer  21:28 Not often. But I mean, so there. That was just how I was brought up. And yeah, and it turned into a lot of what I do today. Michael Hingson  21:42 Actually, I always like free parking. We had a thing where any money and and any kind of thing that you had to pay on all went into the free parking pot. So getting free parking was always fun. Oh yeah, but yeah, I hear what you're saying. I love monopoly and love to even play it against the computer, which was always a kind of a neat thing to do, but played Monopoly against other members of my family. Some we actually made a Well, we took a regular Monopoly board, and I think my father outlined the entire board and all the squares using elmer's glue so that we had raised lines for me to look at. Then we also did things to mark the paper money so I could tell what bills I had and and so on, and even Braille the cards. And I still have that game to this day, very neat, which is kind of cool, but monopoly spun. Chris Dreyer  22:36 Yeah, there's a lot of games that you know, there's no winner. You take my wife wants to play Scrabble all the time, and I'm like, there's just not a winner in Scrabble. Because if I challenge you on a word, and I'm right, you're wrong. You're mad if I beat you, you know, and then if I lose, it's not fulfilling for me. That's one of those games. There's no winner. Michael Hingson  23:02 I have a friend who plays Scrabble with his mother all the time, and and he, I think he loses more than he wins, but he's always proud when he beats her. And he's almost 60, so you know, she's, she's older than he is, but they, they play and have a lot of fun with Scrabble. Chris Dreyer  23:21 That's incredible. That's Michael Hingson  23:22 great. Yeah, it is kind of cool. But anyway, so you eventually decided to go off and go into the entrepreneurial world, and you started your company, or went well, when did you actually start the company? Chris Dreyer  23:37 Started the company officially in 2013 it was attorney rankings.org, that was the original name. Now it's rankings.io, I worked at a few agencies previously, while I was also doing the affiliate marketing, and kind of got to see the agency world of providing, you know, the professional services space. And after working at a few agencies. Thought that I could do it right. I got the confidence from the competence, and that's when I launched it. 2013 we've always been focused on legal. The difference today is primarily, we're focused on a sub niche of legal for personal injury law. And, you know, we work with other practice areas, criminal defense, family law, etc. But really personal injury is the is 85% of our business. Michael Hingson  24:27 So what is it that rankings.io? Does, Chris Dreyer  24:31 yeah, we do digital marketing. We do search engine optimization now, AI search, we do pay per click paid social web design. A lot of performance marketing, I would say more performance, less creative and branding. And that's what we do. We work with the top, the biggest pi firms, personal injury law firms in the country. We're in chiefs, I think every state we work with about. 250 law firms across the country. Michael Hingson  25:03 What made you decide to focus on law in the beginning? Chris Dreyer  25:09 Yeah, I'll say a few reasons. One, I had an experience working with attorneys, and I liked working with them. So there was the like component when I worked at an agency, I had a few firms that would I spoke with, and I enjoyed it. The second thing was, if I'm being honest, the status like I wanted to tell my parents that I did marketing for lawyers, and not just, you know, any industry. And then the other thing is, is I'm very, very, very competitive, and I kept seeing and hearing these reports about more and more attorneys going to law school and and just all this competition for legal and the thing that I differ you hear a lot of coaches and mentors. They'll say, hey, go to the blue ocean. You know, everyone's read the blue ocean book, or, you know, Peter thiel's zero to one, and everyone thinks so, go where there's no competition. And I'm like, That's fine if you're Elon or Peter Thiel or Zuckerberg creating something new, but if you're going into an existing category, you want to go where there is competition, because it demands expertise, and that's the way that I've looked at it. Like, you take the agency perspective, I don't want to go to, you know, lawn care, SEO like, do they really want to do search engine optimization? Do they really have a ton of competition? Maybe that's not a great example. But you get my point where, if you go into the city, there's a ton of personal injury law firms, but there's only a few that can rank at the top. And there's, they're all trying to gather cases from one another, so they want an expert to help them, you know, get that visibility. And that's, that's the mindset that Michael Hingson  26:58 went into it. What strikes me is interesting, though, is that with all of that, you bring a very competitive level to what you do. And I'm not sure that I find that a lot of people necessarily even do that, so you consider even search engine optimization to be a very competitive thing, I don't want to say sport, but you consider it all about competition, and you want to really bring the best and the most significant aspects of it to what you do. And that clearly has to show up when you're talking about Inc ranking you in the top companies for eight years in a row. Chris Dreyer  27:47 Yeah, it's very status orientation. You know, that's why I like working with trial attorneys. There's a winner and loser in court, and there's only one top position in Google or on these llms, and it's, who's gonna win, who's the best? Yeah, and it's right there for everyone. Here's here's the tally. Everyone can see who's the best. And I've always loved that. I think I heard a podcast recently by John Morgan. He's the founder of Morgan, Morgan, right? Of course. And you know, he's always a character and funny to listen to, but, yeah, he talks about being insatiable. Like, how did you grow this? He's like, Well, I'm insatiable. I I want to continue to grow. And for me, it's, it's the exact same thing. It's like, I'm insatiable. We hit a milestone. I want the next milestone. It is the game that I'm playing. I am playing like my hobby is my business. I enjoy it. I look forward to a Monday. It rewards me mentally. I enjoy the people I work with. And that's that's how we're at you know, Inc, 5008 years in a row, we'll definitely be on the ninth year next year, due to our growth this year. And it's that's just, that's just how I treat it. It's just a big game. And, you know, like any game, you play Sim City, whatever, you get a little bit more money, you get a little bit more buildings, right? You do a little bit better, you hire more talent, you expand your capabilities, and you just, if you don't stop, you're going to Michael Hingson  29:22 continue to grow. But it's a game in the mathematical sense, and it's it's a game in the the productive sense of what you're trying to do is, isn't the game just, although you obviously have to have fun in what you do, otherwise you wouldn't enjoy doing it. But it's a game in the mathematical sense of the word, oh, 100% Chris Dreyer  29:44 and so many people don't understand what I'm about to say. But like, every move that you make is a move based upon leverage in some capacity, yeah, and you take, because our time is all limited. You take. I'll give you some examples, like from a from a distribution perspective, hosting my podcast or being on your podcast is going to have more listeners than if I go speak on stage, if I go speak on stage now that that has its own benefits of authority and and different you know, belly to belly relationships from a trust perspective, but from a distribution perspective, I would be better off doing more podcasts than I would speaking on stage, sure. So there's an advantage there, right? And then there's also advantages through pricing arbitrage, and it's if, if I hire labor and talent in in the Midwest, and I pay them above average fees and salaries, and I pay my employees well, but compare that to New York or California. And I think some people, you know, these are things that they don't talk about, but when you start to look at leverage closely, it's everywhere. Capital, economies of scale, if I you know, there's leverage based upon my my buying power in certain areas, and that's what I look for. It's an interesting way to make decisions. Is based upon that leverage component. Michael Hingson  31:20 Do you think that that works in other kinds of arenas, other than just what you do? Chris Dreyer  31:27 Oh, I won 1,000% yes, yeah. It works in you could see it. You know, the closest would be, closest arena would be sports. There's so many, whether it's the salary caps or the talent of one person's labor based, you know, what they can do from a utilization or capacity versus another one's people talk about it on the business side of like, you know, You have one software programmer is worth, potentially 1,000x another one just because of that individual's capabilities. So it's literally everywhere, and it's also dissecting different scenarios into fractional leverage. So I'll take give you a different way of thinking about this. Is like, you take a an SEO specialist, a top tier SEO specialist might be 100 200 grand, right, technician, right? But you you break down their capabilities into the smaller parts. You know someone that just writes, someone that just does the title tags and the website, and someone that just does the links and that, like you can assemble, that individuals that that superstars talent through the FRAC breaking it down from a fractional perspective. It's just a big game of puzzles and how you get there and you look at like what your competitors are doing and how you can, I wouldn't say, exploit in a negative way, but, but what I mean is how you can take advantage in a positive way to to help your business succeed, right? Michael Hingson  33:15 Well, do you so if, if you're playing a game like football, of course, everybody, every team, wants to crush the other team, and it's all about winning and beating the heck out of the other guy. Is that really the way you view it, in terms of the game, as you play it, and do you enjoy being able to just crush the competition? Or is it a different mindset than that? Chris Dreyer  33:42 That's a really good question, because I am an abundance mindset. I don't think everything is a zero sum game. It's, I'll tell you something super nerdy. I was talking to my chief of staff the other day that he's we're big gamers, big nerds. And he, we were talking about Warhammer 40k and the dwarves in that game have a book of grudges. So anybody that that goes against the dwarves, they they're listed in the book of grudges, right? Yeah. And it's like all the dwarves are trying to, you know, right? This wrong. And I kind of look like that. I'm like, treat people respect like, you know, abundance zero, you know, like, abundance mentality. Do the referral thing until it's like, okay, you've done X, Y and Z, and I could give you examples of x, y, z, and it's like, okay, well, you're not my friend. You're not my ally, so now you are a true competitor by all since you know, by all definitions, right? That's how I've treated it. Michael Hingson  34:48 And so it isn't the joy of just beating everybody in sight. No, which is different, which is cool, because certainly. I would, I would also bet, though, that you have people who are competitors, but they're not unfriendly, so you can absolutely, yeah, you can develop Chris Dreyer  35:10 working relationships. Rattle off, and we have great conversations. We're friends, and people are surprised when they see us, and we're friendly, and it's like, no, it's like, we have families, we have life. We want to do good work. We want to and it's so you can absolutely have that too. Yeah. Michael Hingson  35:27 Why did you decide to specifically choose personal injury Chris Dreyer  35:33 for me? And it's this is turning into the math conversation. But really, I looked at our revenue, and it was like over 70% of our revenue. Was from less than 50% of our clientele. And it was a clear directional signal to pursue this area. And that's it was the math like, these are our best clients. They pay the most, they stay the longest we could do the best work. Also the PI space is the Super Bowl. Is the major leagues. In the legal arena, it's, it's very difficult to rank. There's a lot of competition versus, you know, I get a family law attorney. I don't care what market you're in, Los Angeles, it's like a sneeze to get them the number one or two? Yeah, it's and I like that. I like the competition. I like having to work at it and be creative and think about different things to try to obtain that top position. Michael Hingson  36:33 Yeah, well, so I would, I would presume that John Morgan's happy with you. Chris Dreyer  36:40 I, you know, I had Dan Morgan as a keynote for my 2024 conference, his son. And I haven't personally talked to John. I think he's well, he says he's retired, but he's not really retired, yeah, right. The I couldn't work with Morgan and Morgan, I can have a great relationship with them, but I can't work with them because they're in every market, and my I would, they would be my only client, so that's why, but certainly have a great relationship. I've got a text relationship with Dan, but yeah, they, I think they do everything in house. Michael Hingson  37:20 Anyways, you don't want to be the consularity for Morgan and Morgan, in other words, Chris Dreyer  37:25 your only client, right, right? That would put a lot of risk on the old client concentration problem, Michael Hingson  37:33 and it would, but still. So what does it mean for a law firm to dominate Google's organic search. And I guess the other question is, why is that the legal battleground that personal injury lawyers can't really ignore? Chris Dreyer  37:53 There's, there's so much here. Okay, where do I go? That's a lot of take. You take any channel, broadcast television has been the main vehicle for channel for distribution. It's the lowest CPMs cost per 1000. The distribution is very wide, because an individual doesn't know typically, when they're going to be in an accident, right? So you got to have a lot of reach and touch a lot of individuals. There's also radio and billboards. But typically, even if they watch you on television or hear you on the radio or what have you, they still convert. They go to Google to make that conversion that go to the website. Typically, it's not always and and things are changing due to these llms and the native experiences on platform. But even today, it's still the final destination before they contact a firm. So it's really important that you show up at the top of Google to capture all of those opportunities that you've advertised for in other mediums. Michael Hingson  39:09 How do you do that? Chris Dreyer  39:12 Well, so you know, I'll say, I'll try to simplify for the audience. Let's just keep it really, think of like a Venn diagram of, you know, the three circles overlaying and you've got the middle. You have to do all three. The first one is you have to have excellent content. You have to have, you know, if you're an auto accident attorney, you have to have content about auto accidents. You have to have, you know, you have to have content that targets phrases and words that consumers will search for, right? It starts with the content. It has to be thematically and topically relevant. Has to be excellent content. The second component would be related to. Views. You got to get Google reviews to show up on in the LSA, the local services ads location, you have to get reviews to show up in Google Map Pack. You need reviews now on Yelp to show up on and be discovered on these different llms, particularly a chat GPT. And just due to how okay for the SEO nerds listening, let me explain, because typically when you get reviews on Yelp and when you get reviews or recommendations on Facebook, they aggregate that information to other sites, which is then the listicles that form the basis of discovery for these llms. So you got to have a review background. So content reviews and then links. Google, the way that they differentiated, again, way against lo AOL was they use links as a categorization method. So if you're trying to win an election, you want to get as many votes as possible. If you're trying to win the first page of Google, you want to get as many high quality links as possible. High quality being authoritative, relevant, trustworthy, you know, sites that get a lot of traffic, so you need great content, lot of reviews and links. That is the very 8020, high end summer summary of of how to rank in Google search and on the llms, yeah. Michael Hingson  41:24 Well, and how does LinkedIn fit into what you do? Chris Dreyer  41:29 LinkedIn is a bit different. I you know LinkedIn more B to B platform. I think if you're a business attorney or a B to B firm, it's an excellent channel. I use it from a distribution perspective. I get a lot of reach. I get a lot of followers on there. A lot of attorneys congregate on there. And it's a great, you know, channel for recruiting talent, and it's cited frequently if you have some type of reputation perspective that you want to control around your name. LinkedIn typically ranks in one of the top three positions for your name if you have your profile set up properly. So yeah, it's, it's, it's got great distribution from a leverage perspective, and, you know, has other applications as well. Michael Hingson  42:15 If you were starting a law firm today, or you were advising someone who's starting a law firm, how would you deal with and start their marketing efforts? How would you organize marketing for them? Chris Dreyer  42:28 Yeah, in the beginning I would, I would do almost all performance marketing. I would not do. I would do very little with brands, because you need to get on your your cash acceleration cycle is very poor. From a PI perspective. I'm always thinking from an injury law firm perspective, because, you know, if you get an auto accident case by the time they get treatment and go through the whole process, you know, it could be 12 to 18 months before you get paid. So you know, I would think about performance marketing, Facebook ads, Google ads, LSA, SEO, a lot of the ads platforms that are, you know, very performance driven. That would be the majority of my investment. Facebook ads. So in a vacuum, you know, different markets are, there's different channels that are more effective. But in a vacuum, I would say today, right now, Facebook ads would be the best platform, the best channel for that, Michael Hingson  43:29 because so many, because it has such a high volume of viewers, or what Chris Dreyer  43:34 they're well, it's just the cost per lead. The amount that you pay on that platform to reach your target prospect is going to be cheaper than say, you go to Google ads and you're paying $600 a click for a phrase, or, you know, it's just now, there's, again, this is in a vacuum. There's very effective Google Ad strategies you can get, you know, creative with performance, Max campaigns and and different strategies. But I would say just in general, Facebook ads out of the gate would be one that I would start with, and I would start the SEO early, just because it takes time to develop. Michael Hingson  44:14 Yeah, well, that makes sense, and it does take a long time, and I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand how all of that works, but it's still something that they should, should deal with Chris Dreyer  44:28 1,000% and, you know, it's, it's a game of, it's a long game, but it, you know, even SEO can be on a shorter time horizon, if, if You're, like, if you target Car Accident Lawyer in that phrase and that segment, then sure, yeah, 12 to 18 months is, you know, you know, even two years before you start to get some visibility. But you target dog bites, you target, you know, some other case types that aren't as competitive like you can get traction sooner. Michael Hingson  45:00 Hmm, well, and that kind of brings up the question you You talk a lot about, and you wrote a book about niche. Why is it that going into like a smaller niche can yield sort of a greater opportunity, or by narrowing focus, you're creating bigger opportunities? Why is that? So? Chris Dreyer  45:22 What comes top of mind? Some of the biggest, the most important reason is it all centers around this word focus. When you focus in a single area, you become better. Well, because you were better, you can you can at your you can charge more because you're worth it. The other thing is, is when you focus on a single area, you you can create, create repeatable processes, and everything is not bespoke when it comes in. So you can set up your internal productization of a certain area. You it makes training easier by immersion. So there's a lot of benefits, even even the perception aspect of it, right? So when you think of like, who's better, a generalist versus a brain surgeon, you think a brain surgeon is a specialist. And you think, Well, who do you think, just offhand, whose fees would be higher? Well, you think the brain surgeon would would charge higher fees. And so from a perception perspective, and when you're thinking about trust, the that's the other one, right? You would think from a trust perspective, they would be more qualified because they're in this certain area. So, and when we're trying to convert someone in sales, it's always a conversation based upon trust. So those are some of the main advantages, the one heavy, heavy disadvantage. Disadvantage is Tam, total addressable market. It's you focus on personal injury. You're at 50, 60,000 firms. You focus on all law firms. United States, you're at 400,000 law firms. So there's trade offs for you know, there's pros and cons on both sides well Michael Hingson  47:03 and and that makes sense, but there is a lot of merit to the to the whole concept of specializing, and you've proven it with what you do, and you continue to be pretty successful about it. And then that makes a lot of sense, but you also do something else that I think is interesting. You've written a book, niching up, you've got a podcast, you have other things that you do, and, of course, just the company itself, but you put all of that together, and all of that not only has to help your brand, but it makes you more visible in the marketplace overall. Don't you think? Chris Dreyer  47:42 Yeah, it certainly does, and it is our flywheel, right? It's somebody that's on my podcast could be a potential quote in my book, and I have a personal injury lawyer marketing book, right? And there's quotes from the pod. I have now a quarterly magazine that goes out. We could cherry pick a couple episodes, you know, to include in the magazine. We have retreats that are quarterly. They're, they're in person that, because we have a community, they're easier to to fill. We have a yearly event for personal injury law firms called, you know, Pim con. So it's all this, this flywheel that kind of compounds over time due to the community aspect, Michael Hingson  48:25 but people obviously react well to it, because you continue to be successful. Chris Dreyer  48:32 Yeah, and I think the biggest thing for me is I am I am not the the expert. I am bringing on the experts in their field, the people that are eating their own dog food, so to speak, right? They're practicing what they preach. It is, I can orchestrate a great conversation because I know the space and can ask very specific questions based upon my knowledge. But I'm bringing on, you know, Dan Morgan's on the pod. I've had, let's see Morris Bart. You know, I've had frank Azar in Colorado. I've had the biggest of the big pi attorneys on sharing what works for them, which, which is very valuable, because it's not, you know, some, you know, a consultant or me or whoever, speaking about like, Oh, this is how you can grow a law firm. It's no this is the owner of a law firm explaining how he or she is growing their law firm right, Michael Hingson  49:31 and providing that advice for other people, which also helps you gain trust, which is pretty cool. What's the best way for an attorney who wants to stand out to truly build authority in the market? Chris Dreyer  49:50 Well, if you're if you're b Look, okay, so there's a couple types of firms. If you're a trial attorney and you want to get peer referrals, I would say. See, I would say start a podcast would be one of the best ways, you know, interview your peer, interview other attorneys around the country, talk shop, you know, speak at C les. You know, do the those types of aspects it, you know, a podcast. I'm not saying it's not good for B to C, but it's, it has to be a different type of podcast. So I think, I think B to B, if you're a litigation attorney, a podcast would be great if it's B to C. That's, that's tricky. I think I think probably social media in some capacity, but really it's just sharing your knowledge on a platform and being consistent. Michael Hingson  50:51 Yeah, consistency counts for a lot, and it is something you can you can show is being relevant in almost any kind of business. I mean, look at McDonald's. One thing you can generally tell about McDonald's is that their quarter pounder is going to taste the same everywhere, and it's going to be the same and, and, and companies and people can learn a lot by seeing a company that truly develops that level of trust, 51:24 yeah, couldn't agree more. Michael Hingson  51:26 And that's pretty important to do, to be able to get someone who is going to earn that trust by vigorously working to earn that trust. And so there's something to be said for that, needless to say, so you've built a very large company. What would you say are some of the pivotal moments that sort of helped shape your trajectory? I know you've talked about some things, but what, what kind of really, are the things that stand out that really helped you create all of that? Chris Dreyer  52:00 I think in the beginning, I did a lot of free work, and had to prove my work, prove my abilities. I think so many people just want to charge a lot out of the gate. And I think there's when you do things for people, they're more willing to reciprocate. And it from an application perspective, it makes you better. So I did a lot of free work early, a ton of free work. I took a lot of jobs or contracts that maybe not, maybe for certain, that I wouldn't take today, that were just not perfect, but like they were my opportunities that I didn't, you know, let them pass by. I think hiring the right people, having super high standards is incredibly important, people that share your values. In the beginning, I used to, every time I heard a speech or taught speech speaker talk about culture values, I used to kind of roll my eyes and say I just didn't get to get to work, right? But now I know it's more important than ever that they share my values, right? Because they're important to me, and that's how you move forward. And I think the other one, if I had to say, the bigger I get, the more important good data, is to make decisions like, if I just don't have good data, it's very difficult. I'm just guessing and and the better the data, the better decisions well. Michael Hingson  53:32 So the the other thing that comes to mind when you talked about doing a lot of free work and jobs that you wouldn't necessarily take today, I don't know how much it really entered into your mindset, but think of all the knowledge you gathered by doing that that you might not have ever gotten. Yeah. Chris Dreyer  53:49 I mean, that's true, and a lot of other people wouldn't have done those jobs, so that's kind of some unique perspectives. Michael Hingson  53:56 Yeah, I when I hired sales people, one of the first things I always told them was, you're coming into this be a student for at least the first year. Don't hesitate to ask questions of your customers, because they're not if you gain their trust at all. They're not in it to see you fail. They want you to succeed, but they want to be able to trust you. And so there's a lot to be said for being a student, asking questions and learning from that. I agree. I agree, which makes a lot of sense. What's the biggest misconception that lawyers typically have about marketing? Chris Dreyer  54:33 They underestimate how many dollars and what it takes for someone to actually be memorable or build a brand. I talked to, I heard Alex hermosi talking recently about, you know, no one really knew who Jennifer Lawrence was before the mockingbird movie, and they spent $50 million on advertising for that movie. And then, oh, suddenly, everyone knows who she is. But it took $50 million To do so. I think a lot of times people think they oversaturate a channel when they haven't even scratched the possibilities or the capabilities of a particular channel. Michael Hingson  55:10 How do you help lawyers break through that misconception? I agree with what you're saying. I hear it a lot, in so many ways, but how do you break through that and get them to understand the value. Chris Dreyer  55:22 It's a dance, yeah, you know, I try to get them to look at the blended cost to acquire a case, as opposed to, you know, the CAC to LTV ratio, versus trying to pinpoint each individual channel and but it is try to try to solve with data and proof over, you know, guesses, but or promises, but it is always a song and dance. Michael Hingson  55:52 The data and proof is out there. If people can learn to look for it, it's, it's, the reality is, mostly it's not a guess, but you have to know where to look or learn how to find the data to be able to get the answers that you need to demonstrate that marketing is just as valuable as anything else. I mean, there's so many strong lessons about marketing. We talked about Morgan and Morgan, but think about it, he's out there doing TV commercials all the time, and I'm sure that that's helping his company. He and Ultima continuing to to grow, and now they got the boys all in it. And the reality is they've demonstrated that they understand something about what marketing is all about. I remember back a long time ago when it was taboo for lawyers to even advertise. And then a couple of companies out here started to do it. And finally, people realized there's a lot of value in marketing. Chris Dreyer  56:50 Absolutely. And Michael, I should have said this in advance. I've got a I got a hard stop, I got a I got a hat, I got a client call here in two minutes. Michael Hingson  56:59 Well, then let me just ask, is there anything else that you want to add? Or how can people reach out to you if they'd like to do that? Chris Dreyer  57:06 Well, first of all, I really enjoyed our conversation, so thank you for having me. Yeah, you know, for anybody that has a question or wants to connect with me, the best way to get in touch with me is by email. I'm an inbox zero guy. It's Chris, C, H, R, i s@rankings.io I'm most active on LinkedIn. You'll just do a search for Chris Dreyer, and you'll find me cool. Michael Hingson  57:29 Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank all of you for tuning in today, wherever you are, I'd love to hear from you. Love your thoughts on the podcast. Give us an email at Michael h i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, also, you can listen to any of our podcasts. They're all available. And you can find us at Michael hingson.com/podcast and you can see and hear all the episodes that you want from there. Please give us a five star review and great rating wherever you're listening and watching us, we value it a lot. And if you know anyone who you think might be able to be a good guest, love to hear from you. Chris, you as well. If you know anybody else who you think ought to be a guest, I'd love to definitely get your help to bring them on, because we're looking for all the people who want to come on and show that we're all more unstoppable than we think. But again, I want to just thank you for being here today. Chris Dreyer  58:20 Thank you, Michael. I really enjoyed it. Michael Hingson  58:26 Thank you for being here with me on unstoppable mindset. I hope today's conversation left you with a fresh perspective, a new insight, or at least something worth thinking about if you're ready to go deeper into the ideas that shape how we see ourselves and others. I have a free gift for you. Head over to Michael hingson.com and download my free ebook, blinded by fear. It explores the invisible beliefs that hold us back and shows you how to reframe them so you can move forward with clarity and confidence. Be sure to subscribe to our podcast, leave a review and share this show with someone who can use a reminder that growth starts with mindset. When people think differently, we all move forward together. Thanks again for listening, keep learning, keep questioning and keep choosing to live with an unstoppable mindset you.

Most PI firms are still measuring performance the way Google used to work, not the way it does now. In this webinar replay, Chris Dreyer and Steven Willi unpack what's actually driving bottom-of-funnel cases heading into 2026, how AI systems and paid platforms are reshaping visibility and conversion, and why many firms are optimizing the wrong signals without realizing it. Learn: How AI overviews and LLMs prioritize structured content, local data, and entity signals Why directories like Super Lawyers, Best Lawyers, Justia, and Yelp now influence discovery and conversion When Performance Max works as a compounding channel — and when it starts cannibalizing real demand How Meta and Yelp fit into a modern performance stack, and why many firms misread their true impact Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: pimcon.org Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Most firms are still fighting for attention the same way they always have. Meanwhile, discovery is changing fast. Recorded live at PIMCON 2025, this special bonus episode features Chris Dreyer's keynote on the non-negotiables for showing up in search as AI-driven discovery accelerates. Drawing on data from working with more than 200 PI firms, Chris breaks down where visibility actually comes from today—and which fundamentals will decide who gets discovered and who gets left behind. You'll learn: Where AI tools actually pull their information from when ranking lawyers Why Google, Reddit, and Wikipedia now matter more than most firms realize Which legal directories are referenced most often—and which ones aren't Why reviews, content, and links still determine discovery across every platform What firms need to do now as AI overviews and search behavior continue to shift If you like what you hear, hit subscribe. We do this every week. Buy tickets for PIMCON 2026: pimcon.orgGet Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) powered by Rankings.io is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What a year. I sat down with over 100 incredible agency owners—and the insights were unreal. From million-dollar breakthroughs to hard-earned lessons, these founders brought the real talk. In this special year-end episode, I'm sharing the top 5 interviews that stood out most. To everyone who tuned in, shared an episode, or took action from something they heard—thank you. This show is for you, and because of you. Here's to a smarter, stronger, more scalable 2026. Let's go.   Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources E2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.   AI, Efficiency & the Future of Digital Agencies | with Manish Dudharejia (E2M Solutions) If you're running a digital agency and wondering how the hell you're supposed to keep up with AI, automation, and shifting client expectations—this one's for you. Jason sits down with Manish Dudharejia, founder of E2M Solutions, one of the largest white-label partners for agencies, to break down where the real opportunities are—and what's about to get wiped out. Spoiler: Agencies that don't embrace efficiency will get eaten alive. Whether you're stuck in fulfillment hell or just trying to stay 3 steps ahead, this is a must-watch if you want to grow smarter, not grind harder.   From Freelancer to CEO: How Kriston Sellier Built a Scalable, Human-Centered Agency Kriston Sellier, Founder of Id8, shares how she broke free from the freelancer grind, stopped being held hostage by a single client, and transformed into a confident CEO with systems, a team, and a business that no longer revolved around her. We dig into the moment she realized she wasn't really running a business and how hiring a consultant changed everything (and brought in 25 new clients) This isn't fluff. It's the real path from chaos to clarity—one that too many agency owners skip because they're stuck reacting.   From $1M to $40M: How Chris Dreyer Scaled His SEO Agency with One Counterintuitive Strategy If you're an agency owner stuck managing chaos, wondering how the hell to grow without everything breaking—this is your blueprint. I sat down with Chris Dreyer, CEO of Rankings.io, who scaled his agency from barely breaking 7 figures to nearing $40 million in pure service revenue. And no, it wasn't because of some sexy funnel or overnight hack. It was because he doubled down on relationships. Favorite line from Chris: "You mean to tell me it's not worth $500 to go shake hands with a $125K client?" This isn't theory. It's what the top 1% of agencies are actually doing—and it's probably not what you're doing right now.   How to Build an Agency Team That Sticks & Clients Who Actually Respect You | Colin Hetherington I sat down with Colin Hetherington, founder of Dublin's Common Good and co-founder of Zoo Digital (which scaled to $3M+ with less than 5% turnover). Colin's the real deal—he's built agencies people love working at and clients want to stay with. You'll hear how Colin combined strategy, creativity, and technical execution to create an agency that stood out—and why focusing on team trust and clarity made all the difference. Whether you're scaling or starting fresh, there's gold in this conversation on how to lead without burning out.   Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Where are your competitors spending their marketing money? Gyi and Conrad's insights into this valuable data can help you stay ahead of the rivals in your market. ----- Competitive research is an oft overlooked marketing activity, but you should definitely be focusing on this valuable information to make smarter decisions for your law firm's marketing efforts. However, getting your hands on this research might not be as easy and obvious as you'd like it to be. So, how do you find out what you need to know? The guys talk through what to keep in mind as you pursue your research.   The News: This is looking like a smart new venture: Rankings.io has acquired Gladiator. Aw, shucks—Chris Dreyer named us as top SEOs. Thanks, Chris! Aaaaand, another acquisition, if you care to know — SEMRush (an SEO tool) was purchased by Adobe. Still steadily sinking toward the inevitability of your AI overlords? Welp, with new updates from both ChatGPT and Gemini, we'll all get there eventually. Conrad's spidey senses are tingling… Floyd Mayweather got into the law through The Money Team Law Firm, and is now entering the legal marketing realm. Hmm.  Last, more thoughts on exclusivity with Gyi and Conrad. And, we want to know what you think! Leave us a comment on LinkedIn or YouTube.  Suggested LHLM Episodes:  Local SEO 2024: How to Rank with Local Falcon Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM   

On this week's episode, we're spotlighting the very best of Tip the Scales with powerful clips from ten of your favorite episodes. Hear Jefferson Fisher, Rick Ferri, Jenn Gore, James "TopDog" Helm, Chris Dreyer, Yani Smith, Steve Mehr, Mike Morse, Bob Simon, and Gary Dordick share their expert insights on growth, leadership, investing, branding, SEO, intake, and trial success—hosted by Maria Monroy. Maria Monroy (@marialawrank on Instagram) is the co-founder and president of LawRank, a leading SEO company for law firms since 2013. She has a knack for breaking down complex topics to make them more easily accessible and started Tip the Scales to share her knowledge with listeners like you. Featured Episodes 30. Rick Ferri - Investing Masterclass: The Simple Truth About Making Smart Investments47. Bob Simon - Live, Work, Relax: Becoming a Modern Renaissance Man 53. Gary Dordick - A Trial Lawyer's Path to Health and Working With Family 54. James (TopDog) Helm - Authentic Branding and Social Media Success56. Jefferson Fisher - Becoming a Social Media Sensation 57. Jennifer Gore - Leadership, Hiring, and Leveraging Social Media 73. Yani Smith - An Expert's Guide to Intake Optimization78. Chris Dreyer - Is SEO Dead? Reviews, Exclusivity, and AI 95. Mike Morse - Justice for Denis Preka: The Largest Single-Death Verdict in Michigan History111. Attorney Takeover! Jennifer Gore, Steve Mehr - The Origin of Sweet James and the Value of AI —— LawRank grows your law firm with SEO. Our clients saw a 384% increase in first-time calls and a 603% growth in traffic in 12 months. Get your free competitor report at https://lawrank.com/report. Subscribe to us on your favorite podcast app Rate us 5 stars on iTunes and Spotify Watch us on YouTube Follow us on Instagram and TikTok

On this week's episode, we're spotlighting the very best of Tip the Scales with powerful clips from ten of your favorite episodes. Hear Jefferson Fisher, Rick Ferri, Jenn Gore, James "TopDog" Helm, Chris Dreyer, Yani Smith, Steve Mehr, Mike Morse, Bob Simon, and Gary Dordick share their expert insights on growth, leadership, investing, branding, SEO, intake, and trial success—hosted by Maria Monroy. Maria Monroy (@marialawrank on Instagram) is the co-founder and president of LawRank, a leading SEO company for law firms since 2013. She has a knack for breaking down complex topics to make them more easily accessible and started Tip the Scales to share her knowledge with listeners like you. Featured Episodes 30. Rick Ferri - Investing Masterclass: The Simple Truth About Making Smart Investments47. Bob Simon - Live, Work, Relax: Becoming a Modern Renaissance Man 53. Gary Dordick - A Trial Lawyer's Path to Health and Working With Family 54. James (TopDog) Helm - Authentic Branding and Social Media Success56. Jefferson Fisher - Becoming a Social Media Sensation 57. Jennifer Gore - Leadership, Hiring, and Leveraging Social Media 73. Yani Smith - An Expert's Guide to Intake Optimization78. Chris Dreyer - Is SEO Dead? Reviews, Exclusivity, and AI 95. Mike Morse - Justice for Denis Preka: The Largest Single-Death Verdict in Michigan History111. Attorney Takeover! Jennifer Gore, Steve Mehr - The Origin of Sweet James and the Value of AI —— LawRank grows your law firm with SEO. Our clients saw a 384% increase in first-time calls and a 603% growth in traffic in 12 months. Get your free competitor report at https://lawrank.com/report. Subscribe to us on your favorite podcast app Rate us 5 stars on iTunes and Spotify Watch us on YouTube Follow us on Instagram and TikTok

This week on Cut to the Chase: Podcast, we're sharing Gregg Goldfarb's appearance on Chris Dreyer's Personal Injury Mastermind podcast. In the show, Gregg talks about how small, nimble law firms can take on massive cases—and win. With over 30 years of experience in personal injury, insurance claims, and mass tort litigation, Gregg shares how he built a lean, modern practice capable of competing with the biggest players in the legal world. From police brutality cases in the Rodney King era to today's major mass torts like Camp Lejeune, Gregg breaks down how to stay adaptable, avoid wasteful ad spending, and master the art of outsourcing. He and Chris dig into the realities of case acquisition, the pitfalls of marketing fraud, and how smart partnerships can make or break your firm. Whether you're a solo practitioner, managing partner, or curious about the business of law, this episode is full of practical strategies and candid lessons for thriving in a high-stakes, fast-changing industry. What to expect in this episode: How Gregg built a thriving personal injury practice with a lean, outsourced model Why adaptability and curiosity are key to long-term success in law The truth about case marketing, referral pitfalls, and due diligence How to stop wasting money on old-school ad strategies and focus on ROI The power of building relationships and showing up at legal conferences Lessons from landmark cases—police brutality, mass torts, and more How podcasting has helped Gregg grow his brand, network, and firm Stay tuned for more updates, and don't miss our next deep dive on Cut to the Chase: Podcast with Gregg Goldfarb! Subscribe, rate, review, and share this episode of the Cut to the Chase: Podcast! Resources: Listen to more Personal Injury Mastermind episodes: https://rankings.io/pim Subscribe to PIM podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@personalinjurymastermind Connect with Chris Dreyer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco This episode was produced and brought to you by Reignite Media.

John Corcoran is the Co-founder of Rise25, a company that helps B2B businesses connect with ideal clients and partners through done-for-you podcasting and content marketing. Chris Dreyer is the Founder and CEO of Rankings.io, an SEO agency specializing in helping personal injury law firms dominate organic search. Larry Benet is the CEO and Chief Connector of Larry Benet Agency, which helps leaders and organizations grow through strategic relationship-building and influence marketing. Ed O'Keefe is CEO of EOK Media – OfferWingman and Founder of Dentist Profits.AI, companies that help entrepreneurs and dental professionals scale through smart offers, media, and AI-driven growth strategies. Thad Winston is a business connector and consultant at True Scale Marketing, where he helps small- to medium-sized businesses grow through relationship-driven strategies and consultative guidance. Mark Hiddleson is the Owner of Specialized Storage Solutions, a company providing innovative warehouse design and material handling systems to improve operational efficiency. Jason Ciment is the CEO of Get Visible, a digital marketing agency helping brands expand their online presence through SEO, paid ads, and web development. Nicholas Loise is the Founder of Your Sales Recruiter and Sales Performance Team, organizations that help businesses grow revenue through high-performance sales recruiting and coaching. Duncan Alney is the Founder and CEO of Firebelly Marketing, an award-winning social media agency helping brands grow through community-driven engagement. Mat Zalk is the Owner of Keyrenter Property Management, a property management company specializing in efficient, scalable systems for real estate investors. In this episode… The best leaders don't just manage; they connect. They inspire trust, create belonging, and build brands that endure because they put people at the center of everything. What happens when great minds from across industries come together to share how real connection drives success? From marketing visionaries to business strategists and community builders, this conversation dives into the power of relationships as the foundation of leadership and brand growth. Through stories of risk, resilience, and reinvention, the guests reveal how empathy, communication, and authenticity shape not only strong teams but also companies that stand the test of time. In this episode of the Inspired Insider Podcast, Dr. Jeremy Weisz is joined by John Corcoran, Chris Dreyer, Larry Benet, Ed O'Keefe, Thad Winston, Mark Hiddleson, Jason Ciment, Nicholas Loise, Duncan Alney, and Mat Zalk to discuss how great leaders build trust, teams, and timeless brands. They explore the role of generosity in networking, the importance of purpose-driven culture, and how connection fuels long-term growth.

You can grind your way to $1M, but you'll never grind your way to $10M. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down what it really takes to 10X a law firm. From the early days of sheer hustle to the bold bets that build unforgettable brands, this conversation explores the mindset, courage, and leadership shifts required to make the leap from incremental growth to exponential impact. Here's what you'll learn: Why the grind gets you from $0 to $1M, but only leverage and delegation get you to $10M How courage-driven decisions, such as giving away a Tesla or booking a Super Bowl stadium, changed everything The leadership evolution that begins when you stop being the doer and start empowering others to win Exponential growth is not about working harder. It is about thinking bigger and leading differently. ---- 05:17 – The grind that gets you from $0 to $1M and why it will not get you to $10M 07:38 – The shift from doing everything yourself to building leverage through people 11:30 – Why best-known beats best and how bold marketing bets changed everything 15:25 – The courage behind putting the Game Changers Summit in Mercedes-Benz Stadium 20:15 – How the pandemic forced a leadership evolution and shifted focus to helping others win ---- Links & Resources: Give and Take by Adam Grant Shoe Dog by Phil Knight Tesla Mercedes-Benz Stadium  PlayStation ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 403. AMMA — How To Scale Beyond Growth Basics 390. Passion, Process, and Pitmaster Wisdom for Law Firm Leaders with Rodney Scott 382. What It Takes to Build a $100M Legal Business with Chris Dreyer

PI advertising is full of hard choices — TV or radio, streaming or podcasts, brand or direct response. Gary Sarner of ROI360+ goes through what's working now, what's overrated, and how to know if your dollars are actually driving cases. You'll learn:  Why TV may not be the crown jewel for PI firms How radio stacks up against streaming for cost and reach The three traits every campaign must have to work What realistic ROI timelines actually look like Why the wrong creative kills results before they start If you like what you hear, hit subscribe. We do this every week. VIP PIMCON Tickets:  Pimcon.org Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training What happens when the agency you've built is just… stuck? Or when you hit a revenue ceiling, lose a major client, and start wondering if you've been playing the wrong game entirely? Those moments either break you or become the pivot points that redefine everything. In this episode, you'll hear from an agency owner who's lived through the grind growing his agency from scratch, riding out recessions, choosing a niche that would help him get out of “no man's land”. He'll discuss the strategic bet that broke through plateaus, why he still refuses to hire a COO, and the million-dollar risk that could have sunk him but ended up being a worthwhile bet on his vision. Alex Membrillo is the founder and CEO of Cardinal Digital Marketing, a 100-person specialist agency in healthcare performance marketing. Based in Atlanta, Alex launched Cardinal 16 years ago fresh out of college driven by equal parts ambition and desperation. Over the years, he's navigated economic downturns, client churn, plateaus, and tough hiring markets, ultimately transforming it from a generalist digital shop into a niche powerhouse serving multi-site medical and dental groups nationwide. In this episode, we'll discuss: Riding out recessions. Breaking plateaus and choosing a niche. Why he still prefers not hiring a COO. Alex's million-dollar bet on himself. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio: If you're leveling up your team and your client experience, your site builder should keep up too. That's why successful agencies use Wix Studio — built to adapt the way your agency does: AI-powered site mapping, responsive design, flexible workflows, and scalable CMS tools so you spend less on plugins and more on growth. Ready to design faster and smarter? Go to wix.com/studio to get started. Starting from Scratch (and a Hospital Room) Alex didn't start Cardinal with a polished business plan or a stack of VC cash — he started it the day after his first child was born. After watching his dad's business nearly collapse thanks to a terrible SEO agency, Alex vowed to do better. With a fraternity brother on board and the confidence of having built a website once at sixteen, they left the hospital, started cold-calling local businesses, and selling websites. That first chapter didn't exactly go as planned. The websites flopped, but an SEO win for a kayak tour company gave them the confidence (and proof) they needed to double down on search. From there, they expanded into paid ads and built a reputation on a simple promise: If we suck, we'll give you your money back. In the wild west of 2009 SEO, when big agencies were scrambling to go “digital” overnight, this direct, performance-focused approach gave them an edge. Riding Out Recessions & Staying Hands-On Recessions shaped Alex's early leadership style. In 2009, big agencies were struggling, but lean, hungry digital-first shops could move faster and win clients. That meant Alex was doing it all—account managing 20 clients, selling new business, running QuickBooks, and hiring unpaid interns just to keep things moving. In those early days, generalists are gold. If you're too small for deep specialization, having people who can juggle SEO, PPC, and client management was critical. Even now, with a bigger team, Alex stays close to clients—spending hours each week on calls. To him, the job never ends, and the size of the clients is the only thing that's changed thus far. Hence, staying in the work keeps his perspective sharp. Breaking Plateaus by Choosing a Niche By 2016, Cardinal had hit a wall at around $3.5M in revenue. At that stage, he realized what he had wasn't really a business. You're just a very good operator that probably has one or two big clients. The problem is that if those clients leave, as it happened to him when he was around $4 million, then you're down to zero again. They'd grown by targeting four sectors—higher ed, home services, healthcare, and legal—which did help propel the agency. However, growth stalled again at $7–8M. Then COVID hit, and Alex decided to stop playing the “variety” game. Inspired by Jim Collins' Hedgehog Concept, he asked: What can we be the best in the world at? What drives our economic engine? What do we actually love doing? The answer was healthcare. They rebranded, rewrote their site, published thought leadership, and even released a book to claim their spot in the niche. They didn't fire old clients—they just stopped marketing to non-healthcare prospects and let those accounts naturally roll off. Alex does wish he would've also kept a bit of focus on higher ed, another sector where the agency really shined. Nonetheless, the bet paid off: a laser focus on healthcare has helped them grow faster, build deeper expertise, and win larger multi-site provider clients. Why Alex Still Doesn't Have a COO Alex firmly believes you can grow out of most problems, so every time he felt the agency was stuck, he went right back to improving their marketing, getting bigger clients, and hiring talented people. It's a simple formula that has kept working for him throughout the years. However, here's where he breaks from conventional wisdom: even at 100+ employees, Cardinal has no head of operations or finance. Everyone, including him, is billable. “I've made the mistake 83 times of listening to experts who say ‘Go hire a COO,'” Alex says. In his view, it's just not worth it at that point in your growth. “Do as much as you can as the owner. Have all departments report to you. You don't need middle management pushing paper. You need smart, talented people actually doing the work.” That lean structure only works if you market hard and keep new business flowing. It gives you the freedom to walk away from bad-fit clients and double down on growth opportunities. AI as Your Board of Advisors Agency owners like Alex, who see no need to hire a COO or CMO while they can still manage things themselves, can now turn to AI as a resourceful solution, treating it like an in-house advisory board. Like fellow agency owner Chris Dreyer—who built custom GPTs for CFO and COO roles and used AI to better understand the business acquisition process—Alex is now considering feeding his P&L and monthly reports into AI to spot trends, explain fluctuations, and even validate assumptions. The takeaway: you don't need expensive consultants or bloated leadership teams to get strategic insight. With the right prompts, you can cut through the noise and focus on execution, the part AI can't do for you (yet). The Million-Dollar Bet on Himself One of Alex's biggest turning points came when he bought out his co-founder. His partner had lost interest in client work, and Alex saw no way forward without full control. After a year of negotiation, he signed a deal that left him $1M in debt. For three years, he funneled $35,000 a month from profits to pay it off, losing sleep and enduring massive stress. In hindsight, it was worth it, but it took “probably 30 years off my life,” Alex says. Still, it was a defining moment—proving to himself he was willing to bet big on his own vision. Thought Leadership as a Growth Engine Cardinal's healthcare niche dominance didn't just happen—it was engineered. Alex leveraged thought leadership to own the space. From content and events to industry-specific messaging, they positioned themselves as the go-to choice for multi-site healthcare providers. He's quick to point out this approach has pros and cons, but if you want his playbook, he's happy to share it—just reach out on LinkedIn. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Only one in ten PI firms is using programmatic advertising. That means the other nine are sacrificing market share. And cases. If your ads aren't following your ideal clients from Candy Crush to connected TV, it's time to change that. In this special bonus replay of our live Rankings webinar, CEO Chris Dreyer and Director of Paid Ads Brianna Sudbury break down exactly how to put your brand in front of the right audience, on the right device, at the right time, without wasting budget. From CTV spots on Hulu to geofenced audio ads near accident sites, this episode is your roadmap to laser-targeted campaigns that work together, trackable results, and scaling without the guesswork. Learn: The six programmatic formats every PI firm should test Why “one pixel to rule them all” is your retargeting superpower How to combine OTT, display, audio, and native for maximum recall Creative tips that beat “wallpaper” ads every time Budget ranges, CPM benchmarks, and when to go premium vs. remnant PIMCON 2025 Tickets On Sale Now. Get yours today! Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

You don't scale by working harder. You scale by thinking bigger and leading better. In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we're re-airing a powerful conversation between Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill and Chris Dreyer of the Personal Injury Mastermind Podcast. Together, they unpack what it truly takes to grow a legal business through chaos, complexity, and scale to reach nine figures. Michael shares the mindset, systems, and personal discipline that allowed him to help over 1,000 law firms grow by $1M each, and now he's setting his sights on creating a $100B impact across the legal industry. Here's what you'll learn: Why most law firms stall out at seven figures (and how to break through) How to make the leap from “comfortable” to category leader What it takes to build and recruit a high-performance team that scales with you If you want to build something truly meaningful, this episode is your roadmap to what's next. ---- Show Notes: 02:16 — Michael's $1B vision becomes reality: 1,000+ firms reach $1M+ growth   05:07 — Why small, “attainable” goals won't build a $100M firm   06:16 — The legal industry is changing fast: private equity, AI, and ownership shifts   14:09 — What separates firms that stall at 7 figures from those that scale   22:01 — How to recruit top talent and build a team that scales   24:11 — The Streaming Stack strategy that puts your firm on every screen   35:04 — The long-term ROI of brand building vs. short-term lead gen  ---- Links & Resources: Personal Injury Mindset Podcast Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl The Sport of Business by Mark CubanRipplingPeloton Tread ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 294. The Blueprint to Law Firm Expansion 296. Creating a Competitive Edge: Lessons in Legal Leadership 380. The Real Reason Clients Choose One Lawyer Over Another

In this tactical webinar replay, Rankings founder Chris Dreyer is joined by Director of Link Building Kat Taylor to map out exactly how personal injury firms can boost visibility in AI search results using off-site signals. Search is changing—fast. And if your off-site strategy is stuck in 2015, your rankings won't survive the AI shift. You'll learn: How AI models like ChatGPT and Perplexity are trained (and what they're prioritizing) The new SEO “power players” — from Reddit and Wikipedia to Yelp and Wikidata How to structure your pages and links to earn AI citations What not to do when optimizing for LLMs—and what to do instead 13 real tactics you can apply today to boost both rankings and AI visibility UP NEXT:  What if you could show up where your competitors can't? Even without a massive ad budget? Programmatic advertising automatically puts your message in front of the right people, on the right platforms, at the right time. In this masterclass replay, you'll learn why it's the missing link in your digital ad stack—and how to use it to sign more cases. Chris Dreyer and Brianna Sudbury break down: How programmatic ads follow high-intent users across streaming platforms, apps, podcasts, and more Why most PI firms ignore this channel—and how that gives you a major advantage 9 steps to launching your own programmatic campaign without a full media team When: July 29, 2025Time: 2 PM CST Save your spot at rankings.io/webinars Plus, we'll open the floor for live Q&A so you can get actionable insights tailored to your firm. Get Social! Personal Injury Mastermind (PIM) is on Instagram | YouTube | TikTok

Join us on Spaghetti on the Wall episode #254 as we sit down with Chris Dreyer, CEO and Founder of Rankings.io—the SEO agency helping top personal injury law firms dominate Google and sign more cases. Chris has grown his agency to $30M by ditching the fluff and delivering real results. He's also a best-selling author, podcast host, and a pioneer in AI-driven legal marketing strategies.

Most personal injury attorneys waste thousands every month on marketing that does not create authority or real clients.In this episode of the Garlic Marketing Show, Ian Garlic sits down with Chris Dreyer, CEO of Rankings.io, to reveal how law firms can transform their marketing strategies in today's AI-driven world.Chris explains how to fix the biggest mistakes law firms make, how SEO is evolving, and how firms can build a brand that outlasts Google Ads.He also shares powerful lessons law firms can learn from Geico and State Farm, and how smart branding wins the best clients.

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training Ever wonder what separates a $1M agency from a $30M agency? It's not just better SEO or more employees. It's how you run the business behind the scenes. We sat down with today's featured guest to dig into what's powered his insane growth from barely crossing seven figures back when we first met… to now staring down $35–$40 million in pure service revenue. He's sharing some great advice on the evolution of his role as CEO, his new-found love for podcasting, and all kinds of golden nuggets for agency currently in the “no man's land”. Chris Dreyer is the CEO of Rankings.io, a law firm marketing services agency that delivers exceptional results for attorneys without compromising on customer service. He'll discuss his agency's substantial growth from under a million to over $30 million in revenue, his reliance on data and key performance indicators (KPIs), the transformative role of AI in various aspects of his operations, the importance of in-person client meetings for building relationships, and much more. If you're still guessing your numbers or putting off tracking your team's time — you'll want to pay attention. In this episode, we'll discuss: The CEO's true job. Hidden agency growing pains. The key to client happiness. In-person hustle and outbound sales. Subscribe Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio Sponsors and Resources This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio: If you're leveling up your team and your client experience, your site builder should keep up too. That's why successful agencies use Wix Studio — built to adapt the way your agency does: AI-powered site mapping, responsive design, flexible workflows, and scalable CMS tools so you spend less on plugins and more on growth. Ready to design faster and smarter? Go to wix.com/studio to get started. Why Data Became Like a Religion Back when Chris and I first locked ourselves in a tiny Atlanta room for a workshop, Rankings.io was barely peeking over the $1M mark. He was still deciding who to serve and how. Fast forward about 8-9 years to today, and he says there's no bigger reason for his success than his top-to-bottom data obsession. Most agency owners track just enough to feel busy: a few pipeline numbers, maybe close rates if they're fancy. But Chris tracks everything. He knows the lifetime value of a client paying $5K a month versus $10K a month. He knows exactly how each account manager's retention rate impacts revenue. He even scores sales reps like a fantasy football league. And it's not just vanity metrics. If an account manager is great at keeping clients but terrible at preserving the original retainer size, they fix it. If time tracking shows poor utilization? They fix it. It's relentless. The big unlock for him was getting a real CFO to build this machine — and shifting from QuickBooks to more robust systems like Sage. No more flying blind or hoping for the best. If you don't know your LTV, churn, win rates, and retention by the exact dollar, you're leaving growth up to luck. How AI Became His Secret Weapon (and Why You Should Care) Most agency owners dabble in AI: a blog here, a few prompts there. Chris has gone full cyborg. Every single month, his team uploads their entire reporting package into ChatGPT. They don't just glance at dashboards — they get an AI board of advisors that points out trends, flags issues, and even suggests campaigns based on sales funnel leaks. If they have clients applying but not booking, the AI says: launch a re-engagement sequence. If they're not sure why the expense spike looks off, the AI will cross-check it with your event calendar. Chris used to hate looking at financials — now AI does the heavy lifting. When it comes to AI agents, they're not doing as much and prefer to use AI assistants for content, link building, and optimization. He even has an AI board of advisers with different personalities. This isn't replacing people. It's leveling them up. It's like strapping a rocket to every role — so you can do more without burning out your team. If you're not leaning on AI for context and next steps, you're probably making slower (and worse) decisions than your competitors. The CEO's True Job: Gotta Catch ‘em All Now that he's running an agency pushing $40M in service revenue (not pass-through, real revenue) Chris defines his role as: “Playing people Pokemon. Gotta catch ‘em all. I get the clients, and my president keeps them.” He sets the vision, runs point on marketing and sales, hosts the podcast, and stays the face of Rankings.io. Meanwhile, his right-hand man, Stephen, owns retention and delivery. This split lets Chris hunt big opportunities without getting bogged down in fulfillment fires. It's the perfect example of how an owner's role must evolve. If you're still stuck in the weeds, wearing every hat, and calling that “leadership” — you're capping your agency's growth. The goal isn't to do everything. It's to build a team that does everything better than you ever could alone. And Chris's story is living proof. The Hidden Growing Pains Nobody Warns You About Ever heard of the dreaded “no man's land” for agencies? For Chris, it began after he crossed the $8M to $10M mark and things got painfully awkward fast. In this stage, you're forced to hire the roles that don't directly bring in revenue: HR, finance, middle managers. Suddenly, your once-scrappy margins start leaking everywhere. It feels counterintuitive, all these new salaries, and yet no extra billables. But here's the catch: this is the awkward but necessary step that'll set you up with the infrastructure to move from $10M to $15M, $20M or beyond. This is generally the zone where you feel like an imposter CEO — one foot in the hustle, one foot in the corporate world you swore you'd never build. The truth is, every growing agency owner faces this inflection point. And if you get it right, you build a structure that can handle scale. If you get it wrong, you risk staying stuck at the same revenue ceiling year after year. You Can't Turn It Off — And Maybe That's Okay Most founders agree they find it difficult to turn their business brain off, and honestly, they don't want to. Business is the hobby. While their kids are at soccer practice, their brain is rewriting the service agreement or tweaking a proposal. Sure, there's a cost. Vacations come with podcast episodes in the car. Weekends sometimes mean scanning P&L spreadsheets. But, as Jason and Chris admit: the key to staying sane isn't to “balance it perfectly” — it's to have the right partner who gets the obsession. Because when you're building a business that supports dozens, even hundreds of families, switching it off just isn't realistic. So you find the support system that lets you go all in and come home for dinner. Why Core Values Actually Matter Early on, you might roll your eyes at “company core values.” Chris admits he did and saw it as just a lot of fluff. But once you're managing 50, 100, or more people, vague values don't cut it — you need a shared language to protect the culture. His agency now runs on three non-negotiables: Excellence (do great work, always) Execution (don't just talk, get it done) Grit (stick with hard things for the long haul) While he used to rely on platitudes like “team player” — he sees now that the wrong person will be weeded out fast as long as the core values are clear. He also bails at the mention of “work-life balance” in an interview. Because for this team, the culture is built for people who like working hard. The Surprising Key to Client Happiness Think your killer case studies will keep clients happy forever? Think again. Client happiness is very subjective and your biggest churn risk isn't bad work — it's bad relationships. Sure, you can track Net Promoter Scores all day. But real retention comes from catching early warning signs, which Chris calls “saves”. A client going quiet, missing calls, or hinting they're not vibing with an account manager should be signs to take action, if you start tracking them, as he has. And here's the overlooked move more agencies need to revive: visit your clients in person. Everyone's got Zoom fatigue. Booking a flight and breaking bread goes a long way toward making you not just a vendor, but a trusted partner. How In-Person Hustle and Outbound Hunting Keep You on Top Even with all the fancy dashboards, AI copilots, and mega forecasting tools, Chris and his president still jump on planes to shake hands with clients. They even budget for it. When you're running a high-ticket service where each client can be worth $125,000 or more over their lifetime, dropping a couple grand to show up in person is a no-brainer. It's how you show you care more than the next guy who's sending templated emails and hiding behind Slack. Chris's take is simple: Want to stand out? Do what you say you're going to do. Show up. Make your clients look like heroes. When a big-name CEO flies out to see you — even if you didn't sell them the deal — you remember that. Big relationships should get the handshake treatment. Using AI for Confidence in an Agency Acquisition Chris didn't buy another agency until he was already pushing $30 million, while most owners pull that trigger way earlier to leapfrog plateaus. Why wait? According to Chris, he didn't have the confidence to do it. Until AI changed that. He used ChatGPT to run diligence questions, draft the LOI, check for financial holes, and sanity-check the entire earnout structure. Sure, he has a great CFO — but that AI second brain made the whole thing faster and way less intimidating. Now that he's got the first deal under his belt, he's hungry for more. That's how scale works: get clarity, take the shot, rinse and repeat. Pro tip: If you're scared to buy, partner, or hire, dump your numbers into AI. Ask it what it would worry about if it were buying you. It'll show you every skeleton in the closet — so you can fix them now. Why Outbound Sales is Your Insurance Policy Chris used to be very resistant to doing outbound but now it is saving him from the Google rollercoaster. Inbound is sexy when it works. But we all know it can be feast or famine. Algorithms change. Referrals dry up. And you're stuck hoping this month's pipeline looks like last month's. After getting tired of hoping, Chris built an outbound team that's now about 30 people deep. He's got BDRs making 50 high-quality calls a day, sending out handwritten notes with books, running multi-channel outreach, and gifting prospects to cut through the noise. Each practice area has its own sales enablement rep feeding lists, building sequences, and arming the closers with context. It's consistent and it means Rankings.io can hunt, not just fish. Big lesson: if you don't control at least three lead sources (inbound, outbound, and strategic partners), your agency's growth is on borrowed time. Don't put all your eggs in Google's basket. Outbound is insurance. Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset? Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.

Send us a textShownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/486.Are you using the smartest strategies available to grow your law firm — or just spinning your wheels?In this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast, Moshe Amsel, with Chris Dreyer, breaks down the three biggest levers firm owners must begin to dabble in to scale sustainably: marketing that drives real ROI, staffing that frees up your time, and AI tools that increase efficiency without compromising quality (even though it can seem scary).Whether you're struggling to attract the right clients, drowning in tasks, or unsure how AI fits into your workflow, this episode gives you practical, smart guidance to move forward with clarity and confidence.Chapters:[00:00] From coach to successful owner: Chris Dreyer's journey to legal marketing[06:22] The evolution of legal marketing: How top law firms win new clients[08:10] The biggest shifts in finding and acquiring clients over the past 12 years[12:46] Unlocking growth for pre-lit firms[16:53] How to find talent for hire[28:07] Lessons from Chris' pivotal point- growing your firm despite the fear[36:39] Understanding AI's role in your law firm[42:56] What makes an impact on your law firm's growth and how to implement it yourselfResources mentioned:Book your FREE strategy session today!: profitwithlaw.com/strategysessionTake the Law Firm Growth Assessment and find out how you rate as a law firm owner! Check out our Profit with Law YouTube channel!Learn more about the Profit with Law Elite Coaching Program hereThe Dhandho Investor: The Low-Risk Value Method to High Returns by Mohnish PabraiChat GPTClaude AIConnect with Chris Dreyer: Website | LinkedInhttps://rankings.io/https://www.pimcon.org/Join our Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lawfirmgrowthsummit/To request a show topic, recommend a guest or ask a question for the show, please send an email to info@dreambuilderfinancial.com.Connect with Moshe on:Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/moshe.amselLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosheamsel/

What if your biggest competitive edge isn't the channel you choose — but how hard you're willing to commit? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, serial entrepreneur, best-selling author, and the Founder of Rankings.io Chris Dreyer returns to break down what law firms are getting wrong about SEO, how AI is changing the digital playing field, and why consistency, community, and competition are more essential than ever. From dominating local markets to navigating Google's evolving algorithms, Chris shares the no-BS truths that separate real results from wasted spend. Here's what you'll learn: Why “if you don't commit” to SEO and review strategies, “it's like an uphill battle” How to earn Google's trust through “real-world relationships” and local relevance What it means to “never settle, always compete” — even after you hit your goals If you're ready to obsess over the things your competitors are overlooking, this episode will show you how to turn strategy into dominance. ---- Show Notes: 01:54 – Introduction02:22 – What Law Firms Get Wrong About SEO06:01 – AI's Impact on Search and Relevance12:39 – The Truth About AI-Generated Content15:40 – Advice for New Law Firms Entering SEO18:09 – Why Traditional Media Still Dominates22:17 – The Optimal Marketing Mix for Law Firms27:15 – Building Brand Affinity Through Grassroots Marketing32:48 – Proudest Moments and Hardest Lessons ---- Links & Resources: Rankings.io Niching UpPersonal Injury and Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT Inside Tracker Giftology PIMCon (Personal Injury Lawyers Marketing & Management Conference) Profits First Cambridge Analytica Scandal ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 169. Chris Dreyer — Unlocking Leverage: Strategically Scaling Your Impact 345. AMMA. The AI Advantage: What to Automate, What to Keep Human, and How to Stay Ahead 358. Your Competitors Don't Want You to Know These Game Changing Marketing Strategies

Chris Dreyer didn't just build a successful agency—he engineered a legal marketing empire that now generates over $34 million annually. What began as a side hustle during his time as a teacher has become one of the most dominant brands in personal injury law marketing. On this episode of the Seven Figure Agency [...] The post How Chris Dreyer grew his agency to $30M/Year serving the Legal Niche appeared first on Seven Figure Agency.

The SEO landscape is changing dramatically with the rise of AI search. In this special webinar replay, Chris Dreyer and Logan Mosby break down how personal injury firms can dominate search in 2025 by mastering both traditional SEO and Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). Sign up for our next webinar: Dominating Legal TV Ads in the Digital Age If your firm isn't adapting to AI-powered search, you're already falling behind. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Rankings.io's Director of SEO Logan Mosby joins Chris to reveal the strategic shifts needed to maintain visibility as users increasingly rely on AI for decision-making. From structured data essentials to review optimization tactics, this comprehensive guide gives you the exact framework to thrive in the new search reality. Key insights: How to conduct keyword research for both traditional search and AI engines Why structured data (schema markup) is now more critical than ever for visibility The shift from keyword density to writing from firsthand experience Building authority through third-party sites that AI engines reference How to optimize video content with dedicated pages and proper schema Strategic review acquisition to rank for "best attorney" searches Monitoring and updating content at the right frequency based on practice area The unexpected importance of Wikipedia and Reddit for AI search visibility Guest Details Logan Mosby is the Director of SEO at Rankings.io, where he oversees high-impact strategies for competitive law firms across the country. With over a decade of experience in technical SEO, content strategy, and local search optimization, Logan specializes in data-driven approaches that maximize visibility and revenue. LinkedIn Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite law firm marketing experts - for all your digital and traditional needs.   Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet  Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize Work with Rankings: Connect

PIMCON 2025 Tickets On Sale Now —> Get yours today! When Mike Papantonio realized the mass tort space was dominated by class action attorneys who'd "never taken a deposition" and would "pass out if they walked into a courtroom," he created Mass Torts Made Perfect to transform the industry. In this special episode, we're bringing you insights from the frontlines of MTMP that will help you determine if mass torts should be your next practice area. Your personal injury practice has already built the foundation for mass tort success. In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we deliver a crash course in mass tort litigation from the experts at MTMP. From leveraging your existing client relationships to understanding the collaborative nature of MDL leadership, these insights will help you navigate the transition from single-event cases to nationwide litigation. If you're considering adding this lucrative practice area but unsure where to start, this episode is your roadmap. Key insights: Why your current PI client base is already a gold mine for mass tort opportunities The critical differences in case management when handling thousands vs. dozens of clients How to implement a "bucket system" that organizes cases by stage for maximum efficiency The two non-negotiable elements every mass tort case needs: Product ID and Proof of Injury Why collaboration (not competition) is the key to success in the mass tort community How to position yourself for leadership opportunities even as a newcomer to the space The hottest emerging mass tort opportunities that attorneys should be watching today Guest Details Mike Papantonio: Founder of Mass Torts Made Perfect, is a legal titan who has helped secure more than $80 billion in verdicts and settlements. Sharon Boothe: Vice President of Programs at Mass Torts Made Perfect, overseeing the entire MTMP portfolio including live seminars, monthly webinars, and the MTMP Connect Paralegal College.  Ava Cavaco: Attorney at Nigh Goldenburg Raso & Vaughn specializing in personal injury, medical malpractice, mass torts, and medical device litigation. A former healthcare administrator and first-generation college student from Hawaii, Ava also teaches Torts as an adjunct professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law. Alex Parker: Associate Attorney at Flint Cooper representing thousands of individuals harmed by pharmaceutical negligence. Alex brings a diverse background including complex commercial litigation, products liability, and personal injury defense to his mass tort practice. Ashley Owens: President of the Personal Injury Mastermind Conference (PIMCON), networking expert, and personal branding strategist. Ashley is known for her expertise in connecting professionals and enhancing their networks through her roles as a TV host, speaker, and educator at Temple University. Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite law firm marketing experts - for all your digital and traditional needs.   Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet  Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize Work with Rankings: Connect

➡️ Join 321,000 people who read my free weekly newsletter: https://newsletter.scottdclary.com➡️ Like The Podcast? Leave A Rating: https://ratethispodcast.com/successstoryChris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, an award-winning SEO agency specializing in helping elite personal injury law firms dominate Google's search results. Under his leadership, Rankings.io has earned a spot on the Inc. 5000 list for five consecutive years. Chris is also the host of the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast and the author of "Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize." His expertise has been recognized through memberships in the Forbes Agency Council, Rolling Stone Culture Council, and Fast Company Executive Board. ​➡️ Show Linkshttps://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/https://www.x.com/chrisdreyerco/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/ ➡️ Bookshttps://www.amazon.com/Personal-Injury-Lawyer-Marketing-Good/dp/B0DF52JP9Khttps://www.amazon.com/Niching-Up-Narrower-Market-Bigger-ebook/dp/B0BGQNLJ6N ➡️ Podcast SponsorsHubspot - https://hubspot.com/ Lingoda - https://try.lingoda.com/success_sprint (Code: scott25)Vanta - https://www.vanta.com/scott Federated Computer - https://www.federated.computer Cornbread Hemp - https://cornbreadhemp.com/success (Code: Success)Create Like The Greats Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/lu/podcast/create-like-the-greats/id1653650073 FreshBooks - https://www.freshbooks.com/pricing-offer/ Bank On Yourself - https://www.bankonyourself.com/scott Stash - https://get.stash.com/successstory NetSuite — https://netsuite.com/scottclary/ Indeed - https://indeed.com/clary➡️ Talking Points00:00 - Intro02:25 – Why You Should Niche Up04:12 – Niching Up vs. Niching Down05:23 – Chris's First Big Niche Win07:13 – Chris Dreyer's Backstory09:42 – Mindset: Us vs. Our Parents13:39 – Success Isn't Just About Money16:03 – What Sparked Chris's Drive20:20 – Chris's First Business Win27:19 – Sponsor Break30:06 – The Turning Point: Rankings.io32:22 – Traits That Fueled His Success35:35 – Healthy Obsession in Business38:22 – Entrepreneurs, Mental Health & Balance44:45 – Betting on Legal SEO48:28 – When the Bet Paid Off52:27 – How to Niche Up Smart53:35 – SEO: Then vs. Now58:33 – Sponsor Break1:01:11 – What Great SEO Content Looks Like1:06:14 – SEO in the AI Era1:12:46 – The Problem with AI-Generated Content1:14:23 – A Hard Lesson Learned1:21:46 – What Keeps Chris Up at Night1:24:45 – How Chris Pushes Through Tough Times1:26:50 – Final Thoughts1:30:31 – Advice for His KidsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

While most PI firms watch their ad costs skyrocket without results, the top 1% are acquiring premium cases at a fraction of the cost. In this exclusive episode, Rankings.io's Director of Paid Ads Brianna Sudbury reveals the proprietary PPC framework that's helping elite firms dominate the most expensive keywords in legal advertising while maintaining control of their acquisition costs. Sign up for the next webinar THIS Thursday, March 29, 2025 Mastering SEO in the AI Era: The Must-Do Strategies to Drive Traffic In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Chris and Brianna deliver an expert session in transforming Google Ads from a necessary expense into your firm's most predictable case acquisition channel. With a decade of performance data across the nation's most competitive markets, they reveal what actually works in 2025 – not what worked two years ago. If your PPC campaigns aren't delivering consistent ROI, this episode will completely transform your approach to digital advertising. We discuss: Why your landing page is killing conversions (and the Morgan & Morgan template that's crushing it) The offline conversion tracking hack that Google representatives never tell you about How to legally spy on competitor campaigns and steal their best-performing keywords The retargeting loophole that sidesteps Google's PI restrictions Why most firms waste 40% of their ad spend on keywords that never convert Guest Details Brianna Sudbury is the Director of Paid Ads at Rankings.io, where she leads client paid ad strategy, analytics, and high-performing campaigns across multiple platforms. With over a decade of experience in digital marketing, Brianna has driven impactful results for brands across multiple verticals. Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite law firm marketing experts - for all your digital and traditional needs.   Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet  Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize Work with Rankings: Connect

You're a powerhouse in the courtroom, but does anyone beyond your county know it? In this episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, Don Worley reveals how being transparent with referral partners helped him scale from 2,000 to 40,000 cases without traditional marketing. Dominate your market today. Grab a copy of Chris' latest book, Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT.  Don Worley runs one of the nation's largest mass tort practices, with over 400 law firms sending him cases. But he's never bought a TV ad or danced on TikTok. Instead, he built his empire through radical transparency - sending monthly case updates that most firms are too afraid to share. In this episode, Don explains why letting go of ego and embracing accountability has been the key to his success. We discuss: Why great trial lawyers often struggle with self-promotion How monthly case updates transformed referral relationships The entertainment factor: Making lawyer events actually fun Leveraging comedy background for courtroom adaptability Why you should choose between being an advertising firm or a handling firm Smart strategies for entering mass torts without losing money When to wait for Daubert before investing in mass torts The real reason Wall Street's interest in mass torts has cooled Guest Details Don Worley built a nationwide mass tort practice handling over 40,000 cases through referral partnerships. His stand-up comedy background and commitment to transparency helped him create one of the most successful referral networks in the industry. Don Worley: LinkedIn,  McDonald Worly:  Website, Instagram, Facebook,  Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.  Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet  Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize Work with Rankings: Connect Time Stamps 00:00 Intro  00:29 The marketing lawyer vs trial lawyer divide  01:17 Don's unique approach to growth  02:14 Relationship building through entertainment  04:08 Comedy background and courtroom skills  07:03 Building a referral network of 400+ firms  08:24 Mass torts: Investment strategies and pitfalls  13:43 Keys to sustainable growth in personal injury  15:30 The power of transparency Additional Episodes You Might Enjoy 80. Mike Papantonio, Levin, Papantonio, & Rafferty — Doing Well by Doing Good 84. Glen Lerner, Lerner and Rowe – A Steady Hand in a Shifting Industry 101. Pratik Shah, EsquireTek — Discovering the Power of Automation 134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend 104. Taly Goody, Goody Law Group — Finding PI Clients on TikTok 63. Joe Fried, Fried Goldberg LLC — How To Become An Expert And Revolutionize Your PI Niche 96. Brian Dean, Backlinko — Becoming a Linkable Source 83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow 73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels

"To win the best cases, you need to show up in the best searches." - Chris Dreyer In today's episode of Personal Injury Mastermind, we explore the strategies that are helping top firms crush their competition in search results with CEO of Rankings, Chris Dreyer. We discuss: The staggering importance of Google for law firm marketing Google's three key factors for local rankings: relevance, distance, and prominence Leveraging entity SEO to outrank competitors The critical role of reviews in dominating local search Advanced link-building strategies for law firms Content pruning techniques to boost overall site authority Making your firm "click-worthy" in search results Chris Dreyer and Rankings Details Chris Dreyer is the CEO and founder of Rankings.io, the elite legal digital marketing agency.  Rankings: Website, Instagram, Twitter Chris Dreyer: Website, Instagram Newsletters: The Dreyer Sheet (legal marketing tips); The PimBox (need link) Books: Personal Injury Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT; Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize Work with Rankings: Connect Resources Mentioned AVVO Connectively (formerly HARO - Help a Reporter Out) Law Firm Newswire Local Falcon (SEO tool) Time Stamps 00:00 Introduction and SEO Importance  01:30 Google's Local Ranking Factors  02:31 Relevance in SEO  04:13 Entity SEO and Content Strategy  06:05 The Importance of Reviews  07:49 Location and Distance in SEO  12:03 Review Quantity and Acquisition Strategies  14:09 Link Building Tactics for Lawyers  18:27 Managing Outbound Links  19:16 Content Pruning and Crawl Budget  21:18 Click-Through Rate and Title Optimization  22:48 Key Takeaways and Conclusion Additional Episodes You Might Enjoy 80. Mike Papantonio, Levin, Papantonio, & Rafferty — Doing Well by Doing Good 84. Glen Lerner, Lerner and Rowe – A Steady Hand in a Shifting Industry 101. Pratik Shah, EsquireTek — Discovering the Power of Automation 134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend 104. Taly Goody, Goody Law Group — Finding PI Clients on TikTok 63. Joe Fried, Fried Goldberg LLC — How To Become An Expert And Revolutionize Your PI Niche 96. Brian Dean, Backlinko — Becoming a Linkable Source 83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow 73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels

Download Chris's FREE E-Book on “How To Find Ultra High Net Worth Clients" from https://UHNWC.com/   Chris Dreyer (https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/) is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, a premier SEO agency dedicated to helping elite law firms and personal injury lawyers achieve top rankings on Google. With over a decade of experience, Chris has led his team to deliver exceptional results for hundreds of clients nationwide. Under his leadership, Rankings.io has garnered multiple awards, including the Inc. 5000 list, the UpCity Excellence Award, and the St. Louis Titan 100. In this episode, Chris Brodhead and Chris Dreyer discuss: 1. How Digital Marketing Can Attract High Net Worth Clients 2. Leveraging SEO to Serve High-End Clients 3. How to Thrive in Competitive Markets 4. Maximizing Client Relationships Through LinkedIn and Social Proof LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rankingsio/ Website: https://rankings.io/                 https://chrisdreyer.co/                 https://www.pimcon.org/  Twitter: https://x.com/chrisdreyercoFacebook: https://web.facebook.com/chrisdreyerco/?_rdc=1&_rdr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/?hl=en  Books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B008AZZ4F8  Maximize your marketing, close more clients, and amplify your AUM by following us on:  Instagram:  https://instagram.com/ultrahighnetworthclients  TikTok: https://tiktok.com/ultrahighnetworthclients  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@uhnwc Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/UHNWCPodcast  Twitter: https://twitter.com/uhnwcpodcast  iTunes:  https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/ultra-high-net-worth-clients-with-chris-brodhead/id1569041400 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Guqegm2CVqkcEfMSLPEDr Website: https://uhnwc.com  Work with us: https://famousfounder.com/fa  DISCLAIMER: This content is provided by Chris Brodhead for the general public and general information purposes only. This content is not considered to be an offer to buy or sell any securities or investments. Investing involves the risk of loss and an investor should be prepared to bear potential losses. Investment should only be made after thorough review with your investment advisor considering all factors including personal goals, needs and risk tolerance. 

Is personal injury too broad of a niche?    In this episode of LAWsome, Tanner Jones and Rankings.io CEO, Chris Dreyer, drill down on how to set your personal injury law firm apart in an oversaturated market.   Learn about the art of narrowing the case types your law firm takes on without shrinking your audience size too much.   You can connect with Chris on Rankings.io or by checking out his LinkedIn profile here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/    Rankings.io even Pimcon.org  September 15th-17th $200 Discount Code: PIMCW   TLDR:  Personal Injury Law is a broad spectrum. It's important to maintain a marketing presence for general PI, but focusing on a specific niche can also help your law firm stand out to potential clients.  

In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chris Dreyer discuss:Search engine marketing and SEO for lawyers. Some of the main changes in content marketing. Changing up how you write content. Getting the most out of legal conferences.  Key Takeaways:Leaning into SEO will look different depending on your field as well as your location. The top-of-the-page marketing has changed because of the AI Overview on Google. Google likes brands, they like signals and clicks to resources such as videos.The best conferences to go to are the ones that you put the most into and make a plan for.PIMCon has been curated for the conferencegoers. They are bringing in some of the top people in the PI space to speak and they were invited to do so. "In the search engine marketing side, one of the most challenging things is link building. And link building, by and large, is relationships. It's the hardest thing to do." —  Chris Dreyer Read more from Steve at Above the Law: AboveTheLaw.com/tag/Steve-Fretzin/ Thank you to our Sponsors!Ready to go from good to GOAT? Attend PIMCOM the inaugural personal injury mastermind conference Sept 15-17, 2024. Use promo code BeThatLawyer to get $200.00 off at https://www.pimcon.org/Get Staffed Up: https://getstaffedup.com/bethatlawyer/Lawmatics: https://www.lawmatics.com/bethatlawyer/ Episode References: Alex Hormozi: https://www.youtube.com/alexhormoziRankings.io: https://rankings.io/Michael Mogill: https://michaelmogill.com/ProVisors: https://provisors.com/Ready, Fire, Aim by Michael Masterson: https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Fire-Aim-Zero-Million/dp/0470182024 About Chris Dreyer: Chris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, an SEO agency that helps elite law firms and personal injury lawyers obtain cases through Google's organic search results. His company has the distinction of making the Inc. 5000 list seven years in a row.In addition to owning and operating Rankings, Chris is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of “Niching Up: The Narrower the Market, the Bigger the Prize”, a real estate investor, and podcast host (Personal Injury Mastermind), as well as a member of the Forbes Agency Council, the Rolling Stone Culture Council, Business Journals Leadership Trust, Fast Company Executive Board, and Newsweek Expert Forum.Chris's journey in legal marketing has been a saga, to say the least. A world-ranked collectible card game player in his youth, Chris began his “grown up” career with a History Education degree and landed a job out of college as a detention room supervisor. The surplus of free time in that job allowed him to develop a side hustle in affiliate marketing, where (at his apex) he managed over 100 affiliate sites simultaneously, allowing him to turn his side gig into a full-time one. When his time in affiliate marketing came to an end, he segued into SEO for attorneys, while also having time to become a top-ranked online poker player. Connect with Chris Dreyer:  Website: https://www.pimcon.org/Email: chris@rankings.ioShow: https://chrisdreyer.co/podcast/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiRS7BCssVkGrxcNsxCCa6QLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chrisdreyerco/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdreyerco/ Connect with Steve Fretzin:LinkedIn: Steve FretzinTwitter: @stevefretzinInstagram: @fretzinsteveFacebook: Fretzin, Inc.Website: Fretzin.comEmail: Steve@Fretzin.comBook: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!YouTube: Steve FretzinCall Steve directly at 847-602-6911 Show notes by Podcastologist Chelsea Taylor-Sturkie Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. 

Whether you're a seasoned veteran or just starting, this podcast is your essential resource for mastering the art of marketing and ensuring your firm's long-term success. Hosted by Chris Dreyer, founder of Rankings.io and a trailblazer in legal marketing, Personal Injury Mastermind is your weekly guide to staying ahead in an ever-evolving and fiercely competitive landscape. Each episode features elite personal injury attorneys and innovative vendors who share exclusive insights and proven growth strategies to help you dominate your market. From leveraging the latest trends to implementing cutting-edge techniques, you'll gain the tools and knowledge needed to revolutionize your firm's presence and attract high-value cases. With a guest list featuring industry juggernauts such as Seth Godin, Jennifer Gore, James Helm, and Daniel Morgan, PIM brings you unparalleled access to the brightest minds in legal marketing and personal injury law. Subscribe to the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast today.

Leaders don't wait for opportunities - they create them. In the uber-competitive personal injury arena, true differentiation is everything. But what does it really take to stand out and be seen as the go-to authority? Just ask trucking litigation pioneer Joe Fried, founding partner of Fried Goldberg. Long before it became a hot practice area, Joe was building his nationally renowned firm by hyper-specializing in trucking cases. An unconventional vision that drew skeptics and naysayers at first. But Joe's conviction paid off in a big way. Through total commitment to mastering this niche, he uncovered critical case details and massive insurance coverages that generalists missed. We're talking $150 million in hidden policies on a single case! Joe took it even further by cultivating an entire ecosystem around trucking law. From co-founding pioneering organizations like the Academy of Truck Accident Attorneys to getting official ABA Board Certification established, he legitimized and advanced the whole specialty. Now Joe reveals his insights on how niche focus, grit, and building the right support system are the keys to dominating any emerging area. Whether you want to blaze your own trail, maximize cases, or just learn from a living legend - this is the story of stratospheric success through hyper-specialization. Don't miss legal marketing titan Chris Dreyer's second eye-opening conversation with Joe Fried (check out Part 1 here). They cover Joe's journey taking an unconventional idea and turning it into one of today's most robust practice areas. Get your PIMCON Ticket Today! Links Want to hear more from elite personal injury lawyers and industry-leading marketers? Follow us on social media for more. Rankings.io Instagram Chris Dreyer Instagram Rankings.io Twitter Rankings.io Website Joe Fried on LinkedIn Fried Goldberg on LinkedIn Fried Goldberg Website The Trucking Attorneys YouTube What's in This Episode: Who is Joe Fried? What is the best marking tactic for getting commercial trucking cases? What is the difference between b2b and b2c marketing for trucking cases? What to do as soon as a trucking case comes in the door. Past Guests Past guests on Personal Injury Mastermind: Brent Sibley, Sam Glover, Larry Nussbaum, Michael Mogill, Brian Chase, Jay Kelley, Alvaro Arauz, Eric Chaffin, Brian Panish, John Gomez, Sol Weiss, Matthew Dolman, Gabriel Levin, Seth Godin, David Craig, Pete Strom, John Ruhlin, Andrew Finkelstein, Harry Morton, Shay Rowbottom, Maria Monroy, Dave Thomas, Marc Anidjar, Bob Simon, Seth Price, John Gomez, Megan Hargroder, Brandon Yosha, Mike Mandell, Brett Sachs, Paul Faust, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert Additional Episodes You Might Enjoy 80. Mike Papantonio, Levin, Papantonio, & Rafferty — Doing Well by Doing Good 84. Glen Lerner, Lerner and Rowe – A Steady Hand in a Shifting Industry 101. Pratik Shah, EsquireTek — Discovering the Power of Automation 134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend 104. Taly Goody, Goody Law Group — Finding PI Clients on TikTok 63. Joe Fried, Fried Goldberg LLC — How To Become An Expert And Revolutionize Your PI Niche 96. Brian Dean, Backlinko — Becoming a Linkable Source 83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow 73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels

This holiday season, Personal Injury Mastermind host Chris Dreyer thanks all of you for an incredible year of growth! 2024 has some major expansions in 2024 - including the first-ever Personal Injury Mastermind Conference - PIMCON - for ambitious firm owners ready to unlock the next level of success!  Links Want to hear more from elite personal injury lawyers and industry-leading marketers? Follow us on social media for more. Rankings.io Instagram Chris Dreyer Instagram Rankings.io Twitter Rankings.io Website Past Guests Past guests on Personal Injury Mastermind: Brent Sibley, Sam Glover, Larry Nussbaum, Michael Mogill, Brian Chase, Jay Kelley, Alvaro Arauz, Eric Chaffin, Brian Panish, John Gomez, Sol Weiss, Matthew Dolman, Gabriel Levin, Seth Godin, David Craig, Pete Strom, John Ruhlin, Andrew Finkelstein, Harry Morton, Shay Rowbottom, Maria Monroy, Dave Thomas, Marc Anidjar, Bob Simon, Seth Price, John Gomez, Megan Hargroder, Brandon Yosha, Mike Mandell, Brett Sachs, Paul Faust, Jennifer Gore-Cuthbert Additional Episodes You Might Enjoy 80. Mike Papantonio, Levin, Papantonio, & Rafferty — Doing Well by Doing Good 84. Glen Lerner, Lerner and Rowe – A Steady Hand in a Shifting Industry 101. Pratik Shah, EsquireTek — Discovering the Power of Automation 134. Darryl Isaacs, Isaacs & Isaacs — The Hammer: Insights from a Marketing Legend 104. Taly Goody, Goody Law Group — Finding PI Clients on TikTok 63. Joe Fried, Fried Goldberg LLC — How To Become An Expert And Revolutionize Your PI Niche 96. Brian Dean, Backlinko — Becoming a Linkable Source 83. Seth Godin — Differentiation: How to Make Your Law Firm a Purple Cow 73. Neil Patel, Neil Patel — Digital A New Approach to Content and Emerging Marketing Channels